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00:09:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37600 @ 0.00093454 = 35.1387 BTC [-] {3}

00:11:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 125 @ 0.095 = 11.875 BTC [+]

00:17:34 bitcoinpete: ;;bc,stats

00:17:36 gribble: Current Blocks: 302154 | Current Difficulty: 8.8534163091278E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 302399 | Next Difficulty In: 245 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 10 hours, 35 minutes, and 17 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 10460812729.2 | Estimated Percent Change: 18.15566

00:25:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.095 = 0.95 BTC [+]

00:27:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 74 @ 0.00298079 = 0.2206 BTC [-] {9}

00:28:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 501 @ 0.00282231 = 1.414 BTC [-] {8}

00:31:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 100 @ 0.03923225 = 3.9232 BTC [-] {9}

00:32:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.0395002 = 0.395 BTC [+] {2}

00:35:11 bitcoinpete: ;;ticker

00:35:12 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 538.01, Best ask: 539.69, Bid-ask spread: 1.68000, Last trade: 538.01, 24 hour volume: 18465.13643240, 24 hour low: 492.65, 24 hour high: 540.44, 24 hour vwap: 515.437052922

00:38:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47600 @ 0.00093916 = 44.704 BTC [+] {4}

00:46:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.034 = 0.136 BTC [+]

00:53:46 benkay: wow what a rally

01:03:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0226011 = 0.113 BTC [-]

01:04:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0226011 = 0.113 BTC [-]

01:06:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.10808189 = 0.2162 BTC [-]

01:08:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 29 @ 0.00457849 = 0.1328 BTC [-] {5}

01:09:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.033132 = 0.1657 BTC [-] {3}

01:14:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31600 @ 0.00093392 = 29.5119 BTC [-] {2}

01:40:32 benkay: ;;ticker

01:40:34 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 533.51, Best ask: 533.96, Bid-ask spread: 0.45000, Last trade: 533.5, 24 hour volume: 19689.41771622, 24 hour low: 492.65, 24 hour high: 541.89, 24 hour vwap: 516.938571219

01:43:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31800 @ 0.00093255 = 29.6551 BTC [-] {2}

01:48:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17708 @ 0.00093062 = 16.4794 BTC [-] {2}

01:51:45 BingoBoingo: Why is it crashing?

01:57:03 benkay: god.

02:03:12 BingoBoingo: benkay: If God wanted to matter in bitcoin he wouldn't have fucked around finishing the universe's loose ends in perl

02:03:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5092 @ 0.0009302 = 4.7366 BTC [-]

02:12:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30450 @ 0.00093059 = 28.3365 BTC [+] {2}

02:15:29 BingoBoingo: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/05/bitcoin-miner-startup-hashfast-could-be-forced-to-liquidate-itself/

02:15:30 assbot: Bitcoin miner startup HashFast could be forced to liquidate | Ars Technica

02:16:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0229999 = 0.115 BTC [+]

02:16:34 benkay: having corporeal assets subjects one to these problems yes

02:30:02 thestringpuller: ;;ticker

02:30:04 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 528.27, Best ask: 529.19, Bid-ask spread: 0.92000, Last trade: 529.19, 24 hour volume: 20724.10236135, 24 hour low: 492.65, 24 hour high: 541.89, 24 hour vwap: 517.913377777

02:31:49 benkay: http://hotspotatl.com/2014/05/22/banned-from-the-u-s-a-mos-def-denied-entry-in-u-s/

02:31:50 assbot: Banned From The U.S.A.? Mos Def Denied Entry In U.S. | Hot 107.9

02:32:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31500 @ 0.00093449 = 29.4364 BTC [+] {2}

02:35:39 benkay: !up realz

02:39:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 25 @ 0.095 = 2.375 BTC [+]

02:45:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25800 @ 0.00093694 = 24.1731 BTC [+]

02:54:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 17 @ 0.095 = 1.615 BTC [+]

02:59:38 realz: gee thanks :D

03:03:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.095 = 0.57 BTC [+]

03:04:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25050 @ 0.00093694 = 23.4703 BTC [+]

03:08:27 benkay: ;;gettrust assbot realz

03:08:28 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user realz: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=realz | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=realz | Rated since: never

03:08:36 benkay: so who are you, realz ?

03:08:38 benkay: !up realz

03:19:43 moiety: morning :]

03:24:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.095 = 0.76 BTC [+]

03:25:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 200 @ 0.00118113 = 0.2362 BTC [+] {4}

03:28:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 18 @ 0.095 = 1.71 BTC [+]

03:34:17 benkay: hello, moiety

03:38:00 moiety: how is life in the land of benkay?

03:38:36 benkay: p good

03:38:44 benkay: i've booked out this weekend for some serious haxx

03:38:54 benkay: baby doll just made a smoked salmon salad

03:39:09 moiety: oh that sounds good

03:39:21 benkay: more impressively, baby doll has started deploying my negotiation tactics. landed us a 20% discount on the fish.

03:39:33 benkay: and in the life of the mewity? many calls?

03:40:39 moiety: things are good here, still waiting on wird about the flat, lines been quite quiet. Had more IMs than calls. was quiet yesterday

03:40:49 moiety: word*

03:43:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.0404999 = 0.1215 BTC [+]

03:58:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.095 = 0.19 BTC [+]

04:08:44 ThickAsThieves: gasp! ^

04:08:59 mircea_popescu: ohai

04:09:05 ThickAsThieves: hanbot = mp

04:09:08 ThickAsThieves: i knew it

04:09:27 mircea_popescu: waitwut

04:09:35 ThickAsThieves: hanbot@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu

04:09:41 ThickAsThieves: mircea-popescu is now known as mircea_popescu

04:09:46 mircea_popescu: i stole a laptop

04:09:53 ThickAsThieves: suuuuuur

04:09:54 ThickAsThieves: e

04:10:25 ThickAsThieves: next youre gonna tell me that bitcoinpete isnt stoned-mp-blog-mode

04:10:38 mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete tokes ?!

04:10:51 ThickAsThieves: unlikely

04:10:55 ThickAsThieves: he's too excited

04:11:41 mircea_popescu: lol

04:12:51 ThickAsThieves: meanwhile i'm left with some netherlandian cold

04:13:08 ThickAsThieves: coughing a lung

04:13:15 moiety: flying won't have helped (recycled air)

04:13:32 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves, have a zinc pill before oyu leave next time

04:13:51 ThickAsThieves: i felt it coming on while still in the city

04:14:00 ThickAsThieves: i think it was all the smoking

04:14:08 moiety: this will make you feel better https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aHJ8A8QTnY&feature=youtu.be

04:14:08 assbot: Yok Byle Bir Sevimlilik :) - YouTube

04:14:39 ThickAsThieves: piled with my eurolocational tabacco habit

04:14:47 ThickAsThieves: tobacco

04:14:49 benkay: <ThickAsThieves> next youre gonna tell me that bitcoinpete isnt stoned-mp-blog-mode // kik

04:15:06 benkay: ;;later tell bitcoinpete you hear that? everyone knows you're a pothead...

04:15:06 gribble: The operation succeeded.

04:15:24 mircea_popescu: ;;ticker

04:15:25 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 524.2, Best ask: 524.96, Bid-ask spread: 0.76000, Last trade: 524.96, 24 hour volume: 21336.61049935, 24 hour low: 492.65, 24 hour high: 541.89, 24 hour vwap: 519.145438139

04:15:29 benkay: mircea_popescu: are y'all floating yet?

04:15:37 mircea_popescu: aww how disciplined. love you btc baby.

04:15:38 ThickAsThieves: it wa slike $540 earlier

04:15:48 mircea_popescu: benkay, possibly.

04:17:24 mircea_popescu: i gotta hand it to the mpex spook ux department : this setup i got here is eminently usable.

04:17:24 []bot: Bet placed: 1.14658359 BTC for No on "Bitcoin network difficulty > 14Bn on Bastille day" http://bitbet.us/bet/677/ Odds: 87(Y):13(N) by coin, 81(Y):19(N) by weight. Total bet: 103.61816472 BTC. Current weight: 12,658.

04:17:50 benkay: what comprises an eminently usable setup?

04:18:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14550 @ 0.00093779 = 13.6448 BTC [+] {2}

04:19:01 mircea_popescu: yes.

04:19:17 ThickAsThieves: yes what does

04:19:41 mircea_popescu: is dog ? thank you.

04:21:49 moiety: i would like to hear a call between manul and dog. "yes, this is dog" "fuck you dog" "kden, bai manul" "fuck you dog"

04:22:50 ThickAsThieves: http://www.gofundme.com/9ggndw

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04:23:02 benkay: so hey we're doing open outcry at the next portland bitcoin get-together

04:23:21 benkay: i figure right at the beginning of a bull market is a good time to do these things again

04:23:30 mircea_popescu: moiety, why is your manul so poorly brought up ?

04:23:56 mircea_popescu: benkay, maybe. tho how do oyu know it's a bull market in the first place ?

04:24:07 mircea_popescu: maybe miss boring shorts bitcoin into oblivion.

04:24:25 benkay: oh i don't

04:24:29 moiety: that would just be a regular manul, mine would be more polite, i would bribe it with catnip

04:24:45 mircea_popescu: lol

04:25:06 mircea_popescu: so my response to stan and BingoBoingo on fraudsters is... in moderaiton :D

04:25:15 mircea_popescu: sorry folks, it'll have to wait :D

04:25:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30701 @ 0.00093842 = 28.8104 BTC [+] {2}

04:25:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.095 = 0.38 BTC [+]

04:25:32 benkay: worst case scenario, though, i get some cheap coins from the local market.

04:26:18 moiety: benkay, did you go suffer the dogecoin meet up thing?

04:26:31 benkay: nope

04:26:37 benkay: more interesting things intervened.

04:26:57 moiety: like sleeping or dinner or painting a fence, then watching it dry?

04:28:39 benkay: gosh there was so much

04:28:58 mircea_popescu: lol

04:29:23 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: meanwhile in argentina; http://bitcoin-assets.com/static/var/ferreteria.gif << ahaha

04:29:34 benkay: drained the testes a few times, oversaw the wallpapering of lady v's office, wrestled with the dog...

04:30:12 mircea_popescu: so thailand got a new goat in charge huh

04:33:07 mircea_popescu: chetty: nothing wrong with that, but I always thought bitcoin was a she << i think that's the traditional view. Bitcoinia!

04:33:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12200 @ 0.00093917 = 11.4579 BTC [+] {2}

04:36:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.4987999 BTC [+]

04:36:57 mircea_popescu: %depth

04:37:24 asciilifeform: %girth

04:37:31 mircea_popescu: lol

04:37:33 mircea_popescu: %t

04:37:34 atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 200 Ask: 300 Last Price: 330 24h-Vol: 83k High: 330 Low: 272 VWAP: 278

04:37:51 mircea_popescu: rising tide lifts all seaworthy boats eh

04:37:59 mircea_popescu: hows derp-oge

04:38:29 benkay: <benkay> dogecoin [04:38]

04:38:29 benkay: <zrobo> cryptsy.com: 1 dogecoin = 80 satoshis. coindesk price $0.0004. 24 hr volume: 1368 megadoge

04:38:35 benkay: getting crushed.

04:38:39 benkay: 103 earlier this week.

04:39:36 mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic:

04:39:36 mircea_popescu: <danielpbarron> i wish the miners would get in the WoT and sell directly to individuals like me with cash to send in the mail // some do << like most.

04:39:55 mircea_popescu: benkay, myeah

04:41:09 moiety: i think perhaps its had its day

04:42:20 mircea_popescu: moiety, you ever been to new york ?

04:42:32 mircea_popescu: they have these "going out of business, everything must go" shops

04:42:41 mircea_popescu: that've been doing that for 20+ years.

04:42:48 asciilifeform: we have these here

04:43:07 asciilifeform: even a piano shop. 'liquidation, all must go!' for 5+ yrs now.

04:43:17 moiety: I haven't. we have those shops here too. there was one in my home town that did actually close and i think the town was in shock for about a week

04:44:21 mircea_popescu: fluffypony:

04:44:21 mircea_popescu: had a discussion with gmaxwell a few days ago about ring signatures, and he agrees that it could be done in a kludgy way in BTC, but it's an unlikely thing to happen, so Monero will possibly carve out a nice niche among the darknet markets crowd << that's exactly right, it could perhaps be implemented but if it is it'll be a private extension.

04:44:38 mircea_popescu: moiety, lol

04:45:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.095 = 0.285 BTC [+]

04:45:38 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller:It's funny how it's far more productive to do business here than in #bitcoin-otc << it used to be funny, now it'd be shocking if it wasn't :p

04:47:42 ThickAsThieves: http://buttcoin.org/knc-red-spot didnt quite realize knc was another total fuckup

04:47:42 assbot: $10K shovels held together with wires, hope, desperation - Buttcoin - The P2P crypto-currency for butts. - Buttcoin - It's Bitcoins with Butts! - Buttcoin.org

04:48:13 mircea_popescu: pankkake: yeah, it is both a stupid intention, and an impossible goal asciilifeform Apocalyptic a dumbass core dev team is like a blessing of suck for a coin. not necessarily a good reason to discard the coin, definitely not a good reason to invest in it.

04:48:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 105 @ 0.095 = 9.975 BTC [+]

04:48:47 mircea_popescu: devteams are the most irrelevant asset of any coin. that's why atc is doing so well, and all the bs coins with 100x to 10kx more dev time spent on them are going nowhere

04:49:34 ThickAsThieves: http://buttcoin.org/mining-rigs-3 fluffypony you should solicit all these people

04:49:35 assbot: Bitcoin Mining Rigs 3: Mine Hard With a Vengeance - Buttcoin - The P2P crypto-currency for butts. - Buttcoin - It's Bitcoins with Butts! - Buttcoin.org

04:50:03 mircea_popescu: pankkake:

04:50:03 mircea_popescu: and renting instead of buying makes attacks cheaper <<< you had it earlier tho. if it's mined then more gear will mine more ; similarly, if it can be bought it can be rented. fwiw, fee simple is rent anyway. what bought.

04:50:28 moiety: noobs seem to rate success on howmany tshirts are produced with x alt on them

04:51:08 ThickAsThieves: i'd wear an altcoin tshirt, but i dunno if i could handle wearing a bitcoin one

04:51:50 mircea_popescu: i never wore a shirt

04:52:02 mircea_popescu: +t

04:52:11 mircea_popescu: wtf are they for, im not 12.

04:52:43 moiety: you cant ever really see mine as they are under 40 cardigans in scotland.

04:53:09 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: it could be near-death << such nonsense. he holds what, at most 9% of supply ? who the shit cares 9% of supply is sold off.

04:53:53 mircea_popescu: major stakes are regularly sold and bought in any equity, russia just sold it's satoshi stash of T bills and the same idiotic press isn't harping about how the T is dead

04:53:53 ThickAsThieves: that's kinda the question, it's not about the specifics

04:54:01 mircea_popescu: (which it is , but for entirely unrelated reasons)

04:54:49 mircea_popescu: most likely scenario, you'd just have a "myserious belgian buyer" soaking up 300% of Belgium's GDP each month and that'll be that

04:55:06 mircea_popescu: cluelessweek and all the other derps can move on to wonder about "the real identity" of the mystery buyer

04:55:20 mircea_popescu: as if there is more reality to an identity than wot and keys. but anyway.

04:57:16 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: i venture to guess that it is because the temptation to 'go retarded' (e.g. premine, insert 'egalitarian' crapola like demurrage, reward phriends, etc.) is overwhelming. << cattle lacks motivators outside of grass.

04:57:38 asciilifeform: re: monero et al: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/CryptoNight - 'A megabyte of internal memory is almost unacceptable for the modern ASICs.' << got fpga with 1MB+ block sram right here in a crate.

04:57:39 assbot: CryptoNight - Bitcoin

04:58:22 asciilifeform: why they derp, why...

04:58:34 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, they don't know wtf they're talking about

04:59:03 mircea_popescu: it's a case of "definitely reality is like our experience, because totally civilisaiton looks like it could have been built by people sitting in starbucks"

04:59:20 *: asciilifeform expected at least a clever sham, from the outward smell of the thing; disappointed.

04:59:55 mircea_popescu: experience shows the most successvful (as measured by gross intake, of course) scams are never the intellectually respectable ones.

05:00:01 mircea_popescu: this perhaps for good reasons.

05:00:50 asciilifeform: 'mmm' ran out of rooms to stuff money in.

05:01:12 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: i want to make sure i'm not inventing ideas someone else has already << the problem here is that you're looking at reading by the bookshelf, not by the book. there's an immense load and no directly obvious way to even systematize it. hayek tho may be a good start if you've not read him fully.

05:01:18 asciilifeform: but perhaps was not really intellectual

05:01:25 mircea_popescu: also ask princessnell for tutoring, she's actually competent in this field.

05:01:46 mircea_popescu: alternatively the polish guy, wywliam or what was it. dba numeristrade

05:02:14 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, was transparently obvious what it was doing to anyone with two neurons to rub together neh ?

05:02:48 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there was a great talk given at some seekoority con a few yrs. ago, about casino & carnival chumpatronics

05:03:08 mircea_popescu: i wasn't there.

05:03:08 asciilifeform: gist being, the best ones are where the mark is led to believe himself to be a scammer ranking above the operator

05:03:15 asciilifeform: i wasn't either - video

05:03:24 mircea_popescu: o, definitely. that's well canon by now.

05:03:45 asciilifeform: found:

05:03:46 asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4K6FXe5XcHs

05:03:46 assbot: DEFCON 20: The Art Of The Con - YouTube

05:04:42 benkay: heyo nubbins`

05:05:25 mircea_popescu: jurov: extract more absolute observations << a fool's errand << quite true, but also all of humanities is exactly this fool's errand. human condition, what.

05:06:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9650 @ 0.00093676 = 9.0397 BTC [-]

05:07:04 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: penguirker is bog-slow << it's actually broken pankkake. it sometimes publishes 2nd article in list when the 1st shows in rss.

05:07:48 nubbins`: hi

05:07:52 mircea_popescu: hai

05:08:05 mircea_popescu: !up Quanttek

05:08:07 mircea_popescu: !up smidge

05:08:08 nubbins`: dat mating success amongst visual artists

05:08:18 mircea_popescu: you gonna be a father ?

05:08:28 nubbins`: nah, i can barely take care of myself

05:09:03 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: I also take issue with "perfect" << now we're getting to the knickers of it :D

05:09:04 moiety: oh the talk is by Paul Wilson, epic

05:10:17 moiety: i would love to go to one of these defcons asciilifeform, the talks are really good

05:10:18 mircea_popescu: princessnell: i think it's bizarre to call it non-teleological personally << this opens up a large debate as to whether life has purpose. i happen to hold that it doesnt, which informs the choice of vocabulary. it'll have to be translated (apolitic ?) to avoid linking that dependency in there.

05:10:33 moiety: hello nubbins`

05:10:34 mircea_popescu: moiety, ask him to take you next they do something in his area :D

05:10:38 nubbins`: hi

05:10:59 asciilifeform: moiety: can't say i've ever dragged my arse to one! i always simply parasitize & read the papers / watch the films later.

05:11:24 asciilifeform: the 1 in 500 or so good one.

05:11:52 moiety: I've only ever seen good ones but granted they have been linked by someone who has seen them before me

05:12:23 asciilifeform: most of the subject matter presented at such gatherings these days, is, imho, morose, tedious.

05:13:09 asciilifeform: whotehfuckcares about yet another pwnhole in turdroid

05:13:57 mircea_popescu: princessnell: economies are aggregations of human actions << and in that they become unhuman. basically a major point of that article is that this desperate clutching at straws, people trying to retain their people-relevance in economics is a little lulzy. there's no room for politics in economy.

05:14:56 benkay: <asciilifeform> whotehfuckcares about yet another pwnhole in turdroid // well yeah - it's not an educational thing for the attendees, it's a promotional thing for the speakers.

05:15:02 nubbins`: ^

05:15:08 nubbins`: look what i can do

05:15:09 mircea_popescu: nor is there room for human purpose, or human goals. kinda the point of bitcoin, after all. kinda why all the "equalitarian" coins and mental devices, and all the preoccupation with accessibility or w/e are so funny.

05:15:10 nubbins`: etc

05:16:05 mircea_popescu: o lol wyw showed up by himself. lol nm then

05:16:09 mircea_popescu: such logs.

05:16:13 benkay: or, as I said to a client this week "bitcoin doesn't have a purpose or an intent or a role. it simply is, and i am doing my damndest to get in front of where the world will be as a result in twenty years."

05:17:24 nubbins`: http://imgur.com/dF4v5Fx

05:17:25 assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer

05:17:29 nubbins`: ^ i saw icebergs today :D

05:18:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00093675 = 9.4612 BTC [-] {2}

05:18:23 asciilifeform: doesn't have a purpose or an intent or a role. it simply is << ever play the '80s game 'M.U.L.E.' ?

05:18:28 asciilifeform: http://www.c64-wiki.com/index.php/M.U.L.E.

05:18:29 assbot: M.U.L.E. - C64-Wiki

05:18:52 benkay: !up blackwhite

05:18:52 mircea_popescu: aite, ima be off. laters all.

05:18:55 nubbins`: http://imgur.com/zRrJVGH

05:18:55 assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer

05:18:59 nubbins`: and a crazy fog bank :o

05:19:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27000 @ 0.00093607 = 25.2739 BTC [-]

05:19:37 moiety: nubbins`: re defon, maybe so but regardless, i've still learned a fair bit fromthe videos i've seen. also nice pics!

05:19:44 moiety: see you later mircea_popescu :]

05:19:58 nubbins`: defon?

05:20:02 moiety: yeah

05:20:23 moiety: but im not technical so anything is going to teach me more than i already know

05:20:24 nubbins`: you may be confusing me with someone else :(

05:20:45 moiety: oh sorry was benkay

05:21:23 moiety: benkay: re defon, maybe so but regardless, i've still learned a fair bit from the videos i've seen.*

05:21:42 benkay: well certainly

05:22:56 benkay: there's a really steep and long learning curve in the combudder industry, moiety.

05:25:19 benkay: non-experts have piles to learn from the defcon material.

05:25:23 benkay: experts, though...

05:25:59 artifexd: benkay: combudder?

05:26:10 benkay: well you see it's not a computer

05:26:19 artifexd: Oh

05:26:24 artifexd: Got it.

05:28:57 benkay: !up xmj

05:29:17 xmj: good morning. benkay told me to come here on the grounds that I'll supposedly enjoy the conversations.

05:29:33 moiety: good morning xmj

05:29:34 benkay: the way things work here is that individuals in assbot's l2 trust circle can !up themselves

05:29:38 benkay: anyone can !up anyone

05:29:44 benkay: well, anyone with trust

05:29:54 benkay: anyone with trust can symmetrically !down anyone

05:29:56 benkay: !down xmj

05:30:07 benkay: !up xmj

05:30:17 benkay: moiety is our darling secretary

05:30:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25450 @ 0.00093932 = 23.9057 BTC [+] {2}

05:30:21 xmj: that's great.

05:30:31 moiety: if you need anything, just give me a shout

05:30:46 nubbins`: i need change for the bus

05:30:50 xmj: Let me introduce myself. I do interesting things with FreeBSD, UNIX, Django, python and numpy.

05:31:47 *: moiety gives nubbins` change

05:32:01 moiety: what kind of interesting things xmj?

05:32:12 benkay: it's going to be a boring month, xmj - the charismatic sociopath at the center of -assets just got on a boat to move himself across the world.

05:32:30 xmj: I live in Estonia, am currently staying in its summer capital for a business trip (http://i.imgur.com/2uaFt3U.jpg) and enjoy being a cloudworker.

05:33:03 xmj: moiety: being a member of the Ports committers team, for one

05:33:11 benkay: http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=4

05:33:11 assbot: #bitcoin-assets bash

05:33:31 benkay: anyways, xmj ping me when you register with gribble and get in the web of trust

05:33:35 benkay: ;;ident xmj

05:33:35 gribble: Nick 'xmj', with hostmask 'xmj!~xmj@freebsd/developer/xmj', is not identified.

05:33:42 benkay: ;;gettrust assbot xmj

05:33:43 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user xmj: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=xmj | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=xmj | Rated since: never

05:33:58 xmj: give me a howto for gribble and I will.

05:34:01 benkay: ;;help

05:34:02 gribble: The bot responds when you start a line with the ! character. A good starting point for exploring the bot is the !facts command. You can also visit the bot's website for a list of help topics and documentation: http://gribble.sourceforge.net/

05:34:03 xmj: pankkake: hi

05:34:13 benkay: ;;commands

05:34:14 gribble: 8ball, ?, about, action, add, alert, alias, allvwap, announce, announce add, announce list, announce remove, any, aol, apply, apropos, asks, at, auth, author, avgprc, balance, ban add, ban list, ban remove, baratio, base, bashorg, bc,24hprc, bc,bear, bc,bitpenny, bc,blocks, bc,btcguild, bc,bull, bc,calc, bc,convert, bc,deepbit, bc,eligius, bc,fx, bc,gen, bc,help, bc,intersango, bc,interval, (10 more messages)

05:34:18 benkay: ;;next

05:34:19 gribble: See latest update from Onefixt here: https://twitter.com/BitcoinOracle/

05:34:19 moiety: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets heres a step by step, phone number/skype at the bottom if you need help

05:34:19 assbot: first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki]

05:34:27 benkay: ;;commands

05:34:27 gribble: 8ball, ?, about, action, add, alert, alias, allvwap, announce, announce add, announce list, announce remove, any, aol, apply, apropos, asks, at, auth, author, avgprc, balance, ban add, ban list, ban remove, baratio, base, bashorg, bc,24hprc, bc,bear, bc,bitpenny, bc,blocks, bc,btcguild, bc,bull, bc,calc, bc,convert, bc,deepbit, bc,eligius, bc,fx, bc,gen, bc,help, bc,intersango, bc,interval, (10 more messages)

05:34:29 benkay: ;;more

05:34:29 gribble: bc,mktcap, bc,ozcoin, bc,p2pool, bc,p2poolalt, bc,p2pooldiff, bc,price, bc,slushpool, bc,stats, bc,totalbc, bc,wiki, bc,xag, bc,xau, bcauth, bcregister, bcstats, bcverify, bids, binary, bitcoinchannel, bitcoinfoundationblog, bitcointalknews, blockdiff, blocks, bold, book, bot, botsnack, boturl, botweb, bounty, bsx, btcauth, btceeur, btceusd, btcregister, btcverify, buy, cache, calc, call, (9 more messages)

05:34:34 benkay: there you go.

05:34:59 xmj: ok

05:35:11 benkay: start with ;;eregister

05:35:12 xmj: Do I register myself here in public?

05:35:17 benkay: nah, go to pm

05:35:23 benkay: less embarrasing.

05:35:33 benkay: however one spells that.

05:35:45 moiety: rr ss

05:35:55 benkay: embarrassing. thanks moiety

05:35:59 benkay: !up roamfree

05:36:28 moiety: hello roamfree

05:37:22 xmj: ;;ident xmj

05:37:23 gribble: Nick 'xmj', with hostmask 'xmj!~xmj@freebsd/developer/xmj', is identified as user 'xmj', with GPG key id FC9E29371B1B0D0B, key fingerprint 224ED70AA3AE3EF123B0CA88FC9E29371B1B0D0B, and bitcoin address None

05:38:09 benkay: ;;rate xmj 1 red in the face

05:38:10 gribble: Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.

05:38:14 benkay: d'oh

05:38:17 benkay: ;;eauth benkay

05:38:18 gribble: Request successful for user benkay, hostmask benkay!~user@unaffiliated/benkay. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/2AFA1A9FD2D031DA

05:38:29 benkay: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:11a38dea8ad9370f28a7b7be164ec6a838f6a786b676f0ddc52e5b82

05:38:30 gribble: You are now authenticated for user benkay with key 2AFA1A9FD2D031DA

05:38:34 benkay: ;;rate xmj 1 red in the face

05:38:36 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user xmj has been recorded.

05:38:51 benkay: !down xmj

05:38:57 benkay: now /msg assbot !up

05:39:11 xmj: benkay: pfff, i haven't been in the sun that much yesterday. only 4h on the beach I posted above

05:39:44 xmj: How do I want to tell gribble that I know and trust benkay and pankkake ?

05:39:45 benkay: that is probably the record registration and assbot integration.

05:39:56 benkay: <benkay> ;;rate xmj 1 red in the face

05:40:00 xmj: ah

05:40:05 benkay: rating is from -10 to 10

05:40:18 xmj: ;;rate pankakke 3 has mutual interests

05:40:18 gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.

05:40:24 xmj: pfff.

05:40:28 benkay: ;;ident pankkake

05:40:28 gribble: Nick 'pankkake', with hostmask 'pankkake!~anus@inara.p.engu.in', is identified as user 'pankkake', with GPG key id 651BB507D9889CC0, key fingerprint E7EA9D5CEC708D4D1EF6C99E651BB507D9889CC0, and bitcoin address None

05:40:41 xmj: ;;rate benkay 3 has mutual interests

05:40:42 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 3 for user benkay has been recorded.

05:40:47 xmj: there ya go.

05:40:52 benkay: welcome.

05:40:54 benkay: hang for a bit.

05:41:21 benkay: you can even use gribble to explore the trustdb to some extent

05:41:32 benkay: ;;gettrust kakobrekla magicaltux

05:41:32 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user kakobrekla to user magicaltux: Level 1: 0, Level 2: -11 via 9 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=kakobrekla&dest=magicaltux | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=magicaltux | Rated since: Mon Dec 20 13:21:21 2010

05:41:58 benkay: lol usagi's rating of magicaltux is still at 1

05:45:19 benkay: anyways i'm off for the night.

05:45:32 benkay: pets need petting etc.

05:45:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.4988 BTC [+]

05:47:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.095 = 0.95 BTC [+]

05:47:50 xmj: enjoy

05:48:24 xmj: moiety: what kind of interesting things do you do in your life?

05:48:37 benkay: xmj: http://imgur.com/dmVgwPB

05:48:37 assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer

05:49:11 *: xmj bows

05:49:28 moiety: night benkay :] hugs for pooch

05:49:52 benkay: MOAR HUGS?

05:49:57 benkay: that animal is spoiled already.

05:50:07 benkay: and what about the other pet, eh? going to leave her out in the cold?

05:50:18 moiety: xmj: i landed up in here and learn as much as possible. Just started this reception number :]

05:50:20 nubbins`: CONGRATION

05:50:31 moiety: benkay: always moar hugs!! and no... hug dem both

05:50:44 benkay: will do moiety

05:50:50 moiety: :D

05:50:51 benkay: okay out f'reelz nao.

05:51:10 xmj: moiety: no, I mean, what do you do for fun and profit?

05:51:26 xmj: emphasis on the fun part

05:53:14 moiety: just as well because i don't do anything for profit lol as for fun, i gather as much info on manuls as possible and learn things that I can use in future... oh and I bake....along with the usual films, music, bla bla

05:53:49 xmj: you're evading the essentials!

05:54:02 xmj: info on manuals sounds cool, what stuff do you read?

05:55:04 moiety: manuls* ie pallas' cats ... what are the essentials? I'm incredibly boring - have some shortbread http://imgur.com/a/vmd8a#2

05:55:05 assbot: baking - Imgur

05:55:43 xmj: ooo

05:55:47 xmj: they look nice

05:55:59 xmj: I thought manuls were a typo. My bad.

05:56:28 nubbins`: there's nothing incredible about being boring :(

05:56:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 17 @ 0.095 = 1.615 BTC [+]

05:56:49 xmj: being boring is okay, it's a lifestyle

05:56:54 moiety: xmj: http://37.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_maxliiE3ut1rxutsvo1_500.jpg manul

05:57:08 moiety: nubbins`: its my level of boring that's incredible

05:57:13 xmj: cutie!

05:57:15 nubbins`: ah, my apologies

05:57:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39250 @ 0.00093531 = 36.7109 BTC [-] {3}

05:57:58 moiety: I'm venturing out into life though. I want to do things with LEDs

05:58:08 moiety: the world needs more LEDs

05:58:33 nubbins`: so we printed like 250 download cards for this band last year

05:58:45 moiety: download festival?

05:58:47 nubbins`: all silkscreened, made up to look like old o-pee-chee style trading cards

05:59:11 nubbins`: i came across a test scrap today and realized that i spelled the word "redeem" wrong on every single one

05:59:41 moiety: well, no one reported it

05:59:48 nubbins`: they say -- in all caps -- "TO REDEEDM YOUR CODE..."

06:00:03 nubbins`: i don't think anyone else noticed :D

06:00:32 moiety: they mustn't have!

06:00:49 moiety: xmj: what do you do for fun then?

06:01:12 moiety: nubbins`: what kind of band? perhaps they weren't alert to take it in

06:01:19 xmj: moiety: I work in an IT company, which is a great source of enjoyment

06:01:46 xmj: the company has offices in this country's summer capital, which I'm visiting Thu/Fri(today)/Sat.

06:02:24 xmj: I also do consulting, which is an even bigger source of enjoyment as you get paid to learn new things real quick.

06:02:37 xmj: Being paid to learn... can't find things much better than that, eh?

06:04:11 moiety: definitely not! :]

06:04:31 moiety: if you enjoy it, you clearly aren't in the support side lol

06:05:40 nubbins`: a loud, strange band

06:05:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50800 @ 0.00093874 = 47.688 BTC [+] {3}

06:06:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 206 @ 0.000781 = 0.1609 BTC [-] {3}

06:07:55 moiety: xmj: is that a picture you took on imgur linked above? 4h on the beach in one day isn't a bad business trip at all

06:07:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.095 = 0.19 BTC [+]

06:10:32 nubbins`: oh hey, the price of bitcoin is a little bit higher than the last time i checked it

06:14:57 xmj: moiety: yes

06:15:12 xmj: moiety: I agree. It's a lifestyle.

06:18:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6829 @ 0.0009344 = 6.381 BTC [-]

06:18:11 moiety: are you there all summer xmj?

06:18:41 moiety: I have been on 0 business trips. I used to work in a hospital lol

06:20:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 18 @ 0.00703513 = 0.1266 BTC [+] {2}

06:23:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22000 @ 0.00092926 = 20.4437 BTC [-]

06:24:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.095 = 0.76 BTC [+]

06:24:22 xmj: moiety: until tomorrow

06:24:47 xmj: I'm doing a short two-nights hackation.

06:25:06 moiety: o i c, what does a hackation entail?

06:33:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15900 @ 0.00092917 = 14.7738 BTC [-] {2}

06:36:39 xmj: hacking and beach, mostly

06:40:57 moiety: so, you get fined for swearing in one place and now fined for feeding pigeons in Vienna http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/pigeonfeeders-in-vienna-to-be-fined-36-as-part-of-citys-crackdown-on-bird-population-9421568.html

06:40:57 assbot: Pigeon-feeders in Vienna to be fined 36 as part of city's crackdown on bird population - Europe - World - The Independent

06:41:32 moiety: feeding pigeons is less expensive than swearing though

06:43:26 fluffypony: lol

06:44:12 moiety: !up mjr_

06:44:17 moiety: hello

06:44:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18571 @ 0.00093141 = 17.2972 BTC [+] {2}

06:44:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 60 @ 0.00282002 = 0.1692 BTC [-]

06:48:13 pankkake: ;;later tell mircea_popescu your feed doesn't seem to update in real time, blogs.b-a often lags behind. otherwise the irker script has a really simple algorithm, it publishes any unseen URL, so I'd be surprised there's a bug there

06:48:13 gribble: The operation succeeded.

06:53:27 fluffypony: pankkake: maybe the URL for that post changed

06:53:47 pankkake: in that case it would be published again

06:53:56 fluffypony: yep

06:55:33 xmj: moiety: Think of "Hackation" as the same thing as "Hackathon" with one letter changed.

06:56:10 *: moiety nods

06:56:14 moiety: with you now xmj

06:56:39 moiety: !up Azelphur_

06:56:43 moiety: !uo dvsdude

06:56:48 moiety: well fuck

06:56:53 moiety: !up dvsdude

06:57:06 dvsdude: ty

06:57:08 moiety: hello, welcome

06:57:17 dvsdude: hello

06:58:30 moiety: np dvsdude, who might you be?

06:58:58 dvsdude: nobody just lurker

06:59:29 moiety: o i c, lurk away.

06:59:40 dvsdude: thanks

07:00:19 dvsdude: anything exciting happen

07:00:53 moiety: isn't bitcoin always exciting?

07:00:53 dvsdude: i'll check the log

07:01:20 dvsdude: it is

07:01:25 xmj: moiety: it's a PR gag. Hackathon is a collusion of Hack and Marathon. Hackation, with one letter changed, of Hack and Vacation.

07:01:30 dvsdude: allways

07:01:37 xmj: moiety: much better associations "feel good" with the latter!

07:01:39 fluffypony: Hackation?

07:01:48 fluffypony: Vacathon!

07:02:19 xmj: naw

07:02:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 494 @ 0.095 = 46.93 BTC [+]

07:03:16 moiety: Vacathon sounds like it would be longer

07:03:43 xmj: no "Hack" in it. But if you like to run Marathons while on vacation, that's fine by me.

07:03:52 moiety: lol

07:04:43 fluffypony: that's what always irritates me

07:04:45 fluffypony: they call it a hackathon

07:05:01 fluffypony: but they're basically just drinking a lot of Red Bull and writing some shitty PoC code

07:05:10 fluffypony: why don't they call it a PoCathon

07:05:30 fluffypony: gotta thon them all...POCATHON!

07:07:09 xmj: You suck at branding

07:07:45 xmj: fluffypony: Hackathon involves what you say, exactly, which is just terrible. I don't even like nor am productive with Red Bull.

07:08:25 xmj: Vacation has all the fun of being on a holiday enjoying life.

07:14:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.4851 BTC [-]

07:19:00 moiety: remember: red bull kills!

07:19:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 48 @ 0.03950002 = 1.896 BTC [-] {2}

07:19:14 punkman: good morning

07:19:23 moiety: morning punkman :]

07:19:26 punkman: ;;ticker

07:19:27 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 529.32, Best ask: 531.59, Bid-ask spread: 2.27000, Last trade: 529.32, 24 hour volume: 18276.68329301, 24 hour low: 502.0, 24 hour high: 541.89, 24 hour vwap: 520.148735702

07:19:29 fluffypony: punkman: mornings

07:21:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51890 @ 0.00093739 = 48.6412 BTC [+] {2}

07:26:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26669 @ 0.00093248 = 24.8683 BTC [-] {2}

07:27:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24831 @ 0.00092943 = 23.0787 BTC [-]

07:27:36 punkman: http://wiki.cacert.org/Roots/CreationCeremony

07:27:36 assbot: Roots/CreationCeremony - CAcert Wiki

07:27:47 fluffypony: moiety:noobs seem to rate success on howmany tshirts are produced with x alt on them <- so when are ManulCoin shirts coming?

07:28:41 moiety: I would wear a manulcoin tshirt!

07:29:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.095 = 0.19 BTC [+]

07:30:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 31 @ 0.095 = 2.945 BTC [+]

07:31:04 moiety: they should be embroidered though, scratch resistant

07:31:23 moiety: punkman: well... that's... comprehensive

07:32:29 punkman: moiety: not much mention of using machines unsullied by the internet, just "turn off the wifi"

07:32:59 punkman: seems strange

07:34:10 punkman: http://phys.org/news/2014-05-animals-wild-wheel-choice-video.html

07:34:11 assbot: Animals in the wild found to use running wheel if given the choice (w/ Video)

07:34:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.095 = 0.855 BTC [+]

07:35:32 punkman: well I've never seen a frog in a running wheel

07:36:12 moiety: punkman: maybe they are assuming everyone follows all the points in 2 and don't reiterate?

07:36:57 fluffypony: asciilifeform:re: monero et al: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/CryptoNight <- the wiki says that, the whitepaper says otherwise. even the site says "Our algorithm requires about 2 Mb per instance" - whoever edited the wiki is clearly a turd.

07:36:58 assbot: CryptoNight - Bitcoin

07:38:27 punkman: fluffypony: I think "Egalitarian proof of work" is kinda lulzy

07:38:48 fluffypony: punkman: I agree

07:38:50 moiety: re the slug in the wheel.. i don't believe this is a viable test.

07:38:55 fluffypony: that's not even a main feature

07:39:04 fluffypony: but everyone seems to jump on it

07:39:09 fluffypony: like the PoW is the defining factor

07:39:51 pankkake: xmj, do we know each other?

07:40:52 punkman: fluffypony: so why do you like this Monero thing? wouldn't you rather have cash tokens based on bitcoin?

07:40:56 fluffypony: although I do get what they were trying to achieve - lower the gap between CPU mining and the GPU/ASIC crowd so that the jump from one to the other isn't as hardcore

07:41:24 fluffypony: punkman: I like the ring signatures + stealth address combo

07:41:27 fluffypony: don't get me wrong

07:41:39 fluffypony: my crypto holdings are all BTC atm

07:41:44 fluffypony: plus a bit of MRO

07:42:05 fluffypony: it's just the first cryptocurrency besides BTC that I've seen in a while that has had anything vaguely interesting

07:45:34 xmj: pankkake: weren't you a napper?

07:46:00 xmj: or on agora?

07:49:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.47009444 = 2.3505 BTC [-] {4}

07:52:20 punkman: ;;ticker

07:52:21 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 530.0, Best ask: 530.99, Bid-ask spread: 0.99000, Last trade: 530.99, 24 hour volume: 17970.72917765, 24 hour low: 502.0, 24 hour high: 541.89, 24 hour vwap: 520.327990498

07:53:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62200 @ 0.00094012 = 58.4755 BTC [+] {5}

07:57:22 moiety: pankkake: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/10849606/Selfie-hashtag-and-troll-are-all-officially-French-according-to-new-dictionary.html

07:57:22 assbot: Selfie, hashtag and troll are all officially French, according to new dictionary - Telegraph

08:03:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14135 @ 0.00094081 = 13.2983 BTC [+]

08:09:21 dub: always blame the french

08:11:43 fluffypony: except when you're blaming the Germans

08:11:56 fluffypony: how come there aren't more Germans in -assets ?

08:11:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34537 @ 0.00093594 = 32.3246 BTC [-] {2}

08:13:51 kakobrekla: i think theres one or two

08:15:59 xmj: I'm German.

08:16:16 xmj: and Always Blame The French is a heuristic I much agree with

08:19:33 moiety: that article is really blaming english users

08:20:33 moiety: someone named their child hastag because they loved tweeter somuch, but ironically announced it on fb [before fb used hashtags]

08:21:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00453249 = 0.4532 BTC [-] {3}

08:23:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.02265926 = 0.1133 BTC [-] {2}

08:23:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0330003 = 0.165 BTC [-]

08:38:53 punkman: https://financialcryptography.com/mt/archives/001500.html

08:38:54 assbot: Financial Cryptography: No Accounting Skills? No Moral Reckoning

08:40:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28100 @ 0.0009316 = 26.178 BTC [-] {3}

08:49:37 pankkake: xmj: oh right!

08:50:10 pankkake: moiety: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-05-2014#685627 :)

08:50:10 assbot: #bitcoin-assets log

08:55:23 moiety: o lol how did i miss that, sorry pankkake

08:57:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18356 @ 0.00092968 = 17.0652 BTC [-]

08:58:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53694 @ 0.00092832 = 49.8452 BTC [-] {2}

08:59:42 pankkake: punkman: this whole blog is very interesting

09:00:45 punkman: pankkake: add it to the feed

09:01:07 pankkake: I was wondering about blogs of non-asseters actually

09:01:25 pankkake: perhaps each member should be able to suggest one other blog

09:02:15 pankkake: Security Top Tips 1. Buy a Mac

09:02:15 pankkake: lol

09:02:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0330003 = 0.165 BTC [-]

09:02:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.48329535 = 4.3497 BTC [+] {5}

09:03:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.49879997 = 5.9856 BTC [+] {3}

09:07:21 kakobrekla: how not to die from radiation? stab yourself in the heart.

09:09:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 20 @ 0.0395 = 0.79 BTC [-]

09:09:57 fluffypony: how to become rich? first, have several million Dollars.

09:18:04 assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 479 @ 0.00258054 = 1.2361 BTC [-]

09:23:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 150 @ 0.088 = 13.2 BTC [-]

09:26:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0975 = 0.975 BTC [+]

09:30:34 moiety: i have an appointment, i have to step out for half hour or so, bbs

09:30:45 fluffypony: ok have fun

09:32:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 6 @ 0.03900035 = 0.234 BTC [-]

09:32:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.088 = 0.176 BTC [-]

09:40:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.038 = 0.114 BTC [-]

09:40:45 punkman: "Church leaders claim bearded drag queen Eurovision winner Conchita Wurst caused the Balkan floods because God 'doesn't want people to join the wild side'"

09:41:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.08799999 = 0.528 BTC [-]

09:42:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.088 = 0.176 BTC [+] {2}

09:47:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18991 @ 0.00092912 = 17.6449 BTC [+]

09:52:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19903 @ 0.0009349 = 18.6073 BTC [+]

09:54:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.088 = 1.232 BTC [+]

09:59:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24347 @ 0.0009349 = 22.762 BTC [+]

10:18:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.038 = 0.38 BTC [-]

10:22:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 405 @ 0.00080988 = 0.328 BTC [+] {4}

10:23:30 moiety: I'm back. well, it has been busy :P

10:26:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 82 @ 0.09088873 = 7.4529 BTC [+] {8}

10:26:17 fluffypony: better go catch up on the log

10:26:19 fluffypony: :-P

10:27:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 266 @ 0.09655335 = 25.6832 BTC [+] {14}

10:38:15 kakobrekla: >Quote from: <the_most_trusted_person_in_bitcoin> on May 22, 2014, 05:51:29 AM : If anyone is able to lend the 4 BTC needed to pay for this, please let me know.

10:38:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.095 = 0.95 BTC [-]

10:41:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 34 @ 0.0975 = 3.315 BTC [+]

10:42:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 64 @ 0.09441467 = 6.0425 BTC [-] {5}

10:42:29 moiety: lol is that really their username kakobrekla

10:44:10 kakobrekla: http://pastebin.com/Y518dxjJ

10:44:10 assbot: Nasty Minutes - Pastebin.com

10:44:14 kakobrekla: line 766

10:44:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.0958 = 1.1496 BTC [+]

10:47:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14500 @ 0.00093895 = 13.6148 BTC [+]

10:54:20 moiety: o i c. o.o

11:02:05 punkman: kakobrekla: 4btc to pay for what

11:03:03 kakobrekla: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=86854.msg6867724#msg6867724

11:03:03 assbot: [NastyFans.org] NASTY MINING | POOL | COINS

11:23:49 pankkake: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=621964.0 beurk !

11:23:49 assbot: Paymium - Lundi 23 juin 2014, Bitcoin-Central devient Paymium

11:25:38 fluffypony: hmmmmmm

11:25:42 fluffypony: how does that affect the bet?

11:26:36 moiety: !up Sahtor

11:29:12 kakobrekla: pankkake what does it say

11:29:26 pankkake: Bitcoin-Central renamed to Paymium

11:31:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0334999 = 0.1675 BTC [+]

11:37:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 30 @ 0.0975 = 2.925 BTC [+]

11:37:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44150 @ 0.00093726 = 41.38 BTC [-] {2}

11:49:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 23 @ 0.00570009 = 0.1311 BTC [+] {2}

11:51:26 jurov: http://blog.bitcoin-central.net/2014/05/23/in-30-days-bitcoin-central-will-change-its-name-to-paymium/ in english

11:51:27 assbot: In 30 days, Bitcoin-Central will change its name to Paymium | Paymium

11:57:48 BingoBoingo: %d

11:58:01 BingoBoingo: %help

11:58:02 atcbot: %t | %ticker | %book | %diff | %tx <tx_id> | %bal <address> | %mined | %block <block_height> | %lb | %tslb | %cm | %ptp | %help | %h

11:58:06 BingoBoingo: %diff

11:58:08 atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 455357.13 Est. Next Diff: 157710.11 in 499 blocks (#32256) Est. % Change: -65.37

12:03:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.47101123 = 2.8261 BTC [-] {3}

12:04:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11890 @ 0.00093559 = 11.1242 BTC [-] {2}

12:05:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4660 @ 0.00093168 = 4.3416 BTC [-]

12:11:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0975 = 0.2925 BTC [+]

12:13:28 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all

12:13:35 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 538.51, vol: 14951.39363973 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 530.0, vol: 10741.78127 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 538.2, vol: 13932.8880748 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 527.63, vol: 41.80578989 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 536.506467, vol: 5053.64940000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 536.30952, vol: 9.16316527 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 537.68987, vol: 125.7582886 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)

12:13:36 BingoBoingo: ;;more

12:13:36 gribble: 536.137206782

12:14:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.46850008 = 2.3425 BTC [-] {2}

12:15:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.46578583 BTC [-]

12:16:56 BingoBoingo: http://gawker.com/obama-pulled-a-bit-of-a-nixon-yesterday-1580430290

12:16:56 assbot: Obama Pulled a Bit of a Nixon Yesterday

12:20:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19750 @ 0.00093157 = 18.3985 BTC [-] {2}

12:21:49 punkman: http://jimhougan.com/wordpress/?p=98

12:21:51 assbot: Nixon In the Jungle « Investigative Notes

12:32:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.093 = 0.837 BTC [-]

12:37:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 560 @ 0.04037124 = 22.6079 BTC [+] {4}

12:39:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47050 @ 0.00093465 = 43.9753 BTC [+]

12:44:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31739 @ 0.00093485 = 29.6712 BTC [+]

12:49:33 BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/rogerkver/status/469789116624695297

12:49:34 assbot: 37.6 BTC reward for information that leads to the arrest of the hacker that is trying to hack all my stuff at the moment. details to come!

12:51:40 BingoBoingo: ^ A distinct downside to Jesus'ing - it makes you a target for idiots

12:53:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20450 @ 0.00093895 = 19.2015 BTC [+]

13:04:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14100 @ 0.00093525 = 13.187 BTC [-]

13:10:53 assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 215 @ 0.00253974 = 0.546 BTC [-]

13:12:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 36 @ 0.04081058 = 1.4692 BTC [+] {4}

13:19:48 kakobrekla: http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg22229694.000-quantum-positioning-system-steps-in-when-gps-fails.html#.U35k-HZ0QuN

13:19:49 assbot: Quantum positioning system steps in when GPS fails - tech - 14 May 2014 - New Scientist

13:20:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.1081076 BTC [+]

13:24:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00093525 = 6.2662 BTC [-]

13:25:06 BingoBoingo: At this rate we are going to have quantum toasters before quantum computers

13:25:53 kakobrekla: http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/silent-circle-raises-30-million-in-funding-from-new-strategic-investors-260069001.html

13:25:54 assbot: Silent Circle Raises $30 Million In Funding From New Strategic Investors -- WASHINGTON and LONDON, May 21, 2014 /PRNewswire/ --

13:28:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17571 @ 0.00093525 = 16.4333 BTC [-]

13:28:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.47 BTC [+]

13:28:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0975 = 0.975 BTC [+]

13:29:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.48273741 = 0.9655 BTC [+] {2}

13:29:18 artifexd: jurov: Was the box your trezor came in glued shut on both sides? Did it have a holographic sticker?

13:29:37 danielpbarron: is that thing worth getting? is it a joke?

13:31:03 artifexd: asciilifeform is better qualified to answer that than I.

13:31:17 kakobrekla: dunno maybe if you can get one not intercepted by nsa or smth

13:31:44 jurov: artifex yes

13:31:58 kakobrekla: tbh i havent even looked into it as waht it does

13:32:25 danielpbarron: can you generate the wallet on a different machine and upload it into the device?

13:32:52 BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: So far I think it only works with their wallet thing

13:32:58 BingoBoingo: Software deelie

13:33:00 jurov: danielpbarron only bip-whatever compatible wallet

13:33:14 danielpbarron: ok, so it isn't doing the random number stuff on that stick?

13:33:31 artifexd: bip32

13:33:55 jurov: the passphrase must be generated somewhere

13:34:11 jurov: i'm not sure if it's done on the device or externally

13:34:58 BingoBoingo: http://bigstory.ap.org/article/tennessee-signs-bill-allow-electric-chair

13:34:59 assbot: Tennessee brings back electric chair

13:35:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.48 BTC [-]

13:35:49 jurov: in any case there's rng on STM chip used for ecdsa

13:40:22 jurov: Cortex M3 rng

13:40:59 moiety: i would like a quantum toaster

13:42:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 8 @ 0.04094 = 0.3275 BTC [+]

13:43:40 BingoBoingo: http://www.ocregister.com/articles/olivo-615415-guerrero-kasten.html

13:43:42 assbot: Olivo's days with Dodgers are done - The Orange County Register

13:43:59 BingoBoingo: ?It is not a question of fault,? Kasten said. ?As I said, the action of removing a part of someone?s ear is unforgivable. Fault is not an issue here.

13:44:38 BingoBoingo: Guerrero, meanwhile, remains hospitalized in Salt Lake City after having plastic surgery to re-attach the portion of his ear Olivo bit off.

13:47:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23474 @ 0.00093677 = 21.9897 BTC [+] {2}

13:48:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 626 @ 0.00093485 = 0.5852 BTC [-]

14:07:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.10810892 BTC [+]

14:24:05 assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 1348 @ 0.00254301 = 3.428 BTC [+]

14:33:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11732 @ 0.00093766 = 11.0006 BTC [+]

14:40:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20502 @ 0.00093809 = 19.2327 BTC [+] {2}

14:44:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13750 @ 0.00093895 = 12.9106 BTC [+]

14:47:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.0975 = 1.95 BTC [+]

14:50:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12635 @ 0.00093713 = 11.8406 BTC [-] {2}

15:00:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.13299999 = 0.266 BTC [+]

15:02:49 BingoBoingo: Naphex: Looks like you are getting some volume

15:05:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 6 @ 0.13299999 = 0.798 BTC [+]

15:07:05 asciilifeform: artifexd, jurov: 'trezor' uses arm's satanic rng for ecdsa signing nonce. if this bothers you (it bothers me) - don't use.

15:07:57 asciilifeform: (a satanic rng, as spoken of here, is any and all rng where the circuit is contained on a vlsi die and cannot be audited with commonly-available equipment)

15:08:39 mod6: ye ole behind-the-curtain rng

15:08:58 asciilifeform: note that i have never touched, smelled, used, 'trezor.' all i know comes from the manufacturer's specs.

15:09:02 Naphex: BingoBoingo: pretty small though still today, but picking up:p

15:09:13 rithm: i use 1 as my rng

15:09:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1289 @ 0.000118 = 0.1521 BTC [-] {6}

15:10:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1565 @ 0.00093305 = 1.4602 BTC [-]

15:10:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1347 @ 0.00011689 = 0.1575 BTC [-]

15:11:42 fluffypony: rithm: so clever nobody will guess it

15:17:35 rithm: it's the lonliest number

15:21:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13900 @ 0.00093461 = 12.9911 BTC [+]

15:21:47 jurov: asciilifeform: and when will the nonsatanic implementation ship?

15:22:14 jurov: inb4 "when it is ready"

15:23:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 4 @ 0.04 = 0.16 BTC [-]

15:23:21 TomServo: jurov's angling for that .02 on 'no' :P

15:23:36 davout: kakobrekla: what happens with http://bitbet.us/bet/826/bitcoin-central-out-of-business-in-2014/ if BC simply changes name ?

15:23:36 assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin-Central out of business in 2014 :: 0.24 B (2%) on Yes, 10.09 B (98%) on No | closing in 7 months 1 week| weight: 90`530 (100`000 to 1)

15:24:03 jurov: TomServo: i made the same bet last year, but nobody else bet

15:24:28 jurov: but i managed to scoop whole bitbet's home bet for myself xD

15:25:26 jurov: davout the same as if iOS gets renamed: http://bitbet.us/bet/858/perpetual-obsolescence-ios-8-announced-in-2014/

15:25:26 assbot: BitBet - Perpetual Obsolescence: iOS 8 Announced in 2014 :: 0.19 B (95%) on Yes, 0.01 B (5%) on No | closing in 7 months 1 week| weight: 98`771 (100`000 to 1)

15:25:38 jurov: i.e. "unspecified behavior"

15:26:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0334999 = 0.134 BTC [+]

15:26:48 jurov: mp decides this afaik, not kako

15:27:03 pankkake: but there will be an HTTP redirect

15:27:12 pankkake: so go on bitcoin-central.net, login, it werks!

15:27:43 pankkake: but I hope davout loses because Paymium sucks ass for a name

15:28:14 BingoBoingo: ^

15:28:18 jurov: ^

15:28:20 pankkake: :D

15:28:56 assbot: Last 15 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3B85GG8.txt )

15:28:56 kakobrekla: !b 15

15:29:01 kakobrekla: maybe i can make it into a bash

15:29:43 assbot: Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/07ZX019.txt )

15:29:43 BingoBoingo: !b 1

15:30:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72133 @ 0.00093203 = 67.2301 BTC [-] {4}

15:30:11 kakobrekla: heh, myea.

15:30:53 kakobrekla: davout i dont know, why you keep making trouble and asking us to solve it?!

15:32:48 asciilifeform: jurov: if you mean my widget - as soon as it's done. but please remember that it does not serve the same purpose as 'trezor.'

15:33:16 *: BingoBoingo wonders when davout starts going snackman on Bitcointalk

15:33:35 davout: such slander

15:33:43 kakobrekla: i guess bfl wallet is also satanic

15:33:44 jurov: ascii i know. maybe it can be hacked into doing ecdsa, tho

15:34:03 kakobrekla: correct me if im wrong

15:34:11 jurov: 1. put file with unsigned tx

15:34:14 jurov: 2. remove

15:34:27 jurov: 3. plug back and broadcast

15:38:39 jurov: maybe even most of trezor code can be ported to have best of both worlds

15:38:49 jurov: and to annoy stickfag >:D

15:40:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21150 @ 0.00093566 = 19.7892 BTC [+]

15:41:43 Mats_cd03: http://reason.com/blog/2014/05/22/how-scalia-helped-legalize-gay-marriage

15:41:44 assbot: How Scalia Helped Legalize Gay Marriage in Pennsylvania - Hit & Run : Reason.com

15:41:49 jurov: kakobrekla: did bfl publish the hw specs at all? (aside from number of fans)

15:42:05 kakobrekla: no idea

15:42:06 Naphex: fan size

15:43:02 Mats_cd03: lol

15:44:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.48 BTC [-]

15:46:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 41 @ 0.0975 = 3.9975 BTC [+]

15:46:27 assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 181 @ 0.00253467 = 0.4588 BTC [-]

15:47:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 4 @ 0.04 = 0.16 BTC [-]

15:51:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0335 = 0.1675 BTC [+]

15:53:57 jurov: i guess ascii would get pretty annoyed, too. if cardano ended up used as btc wallet :D

15:54:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 21 @ 0.04 = 0.84 BTC [-]

15:54:43 jurov: nails&microscopes

15:56:00 bitcoinpete: https://twitter.com/bitcoinpete/status/469868662913236992

15:56:02 assbot: Millenials averse to stocks? Nah, just poor. Or in Bitcoin. http://t.co/gG0uNT05qR /azizonomics /FDRLST

15:56:05 bitcoinpete: gooood mornin

15:56:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38700 @ 0.00092862 = 35.9376 BTC [-] {4}

15:59:49 jurov: hi pete

16:00:14 bitcoinpete: heya jurov

16:00:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.42885352 BTC to 8`552 shares, 28401 satoshi per share

16:00:41 bitcoinpete: jurov: i gotta say, quite impressed with coinbr thus far. wd

16:01:38 jurov: pentesting or just trying the knobs?

16:02:15 TomServo: bitcoinpete: I gotta say, I curse your name often for revealing to me how these tards pronounce 'doge'. :P

16:02:22 bitcoinpete: knobbing mostly

16:02:23 TomServo: Ignorance is bliss in this case.

16:02:59 bitcoinpete: TomServo: lol i'm nothing if not cursable.

16:03:47 TomServo: bitcoinpete: Nah, I appreciate your insight. Keep

16:03:51 TomServo: on bloggin

16:06:00 bitcoinpete: that, i can do

16:12:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28000 @ 0.00092808 = 25.9862 BTC [-] {2}

16:23:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5366 @ 0.00093134 = 4.9976 BTC [+]

16:25:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 20 @ 0.0230081 = 0.4602 BTC [+] {3}

16:28:34 bitcoinpete: ;;later tell benkay they might suspect...

16:28:34 gribble: The operation succeeded.

16:33:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43193 @ 0.00093134 = 40.2274 BTC [+]

16:35:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 24 @ 0.0231 = 0.5544 BTC [+] {2}

16:36:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00011047 = 0.1105 BTC [-] {2}

16:40:40 benkay: who which what now?

16:40:55 benkay: bitcoinpete: ^^

16:42:42 bitcoinpete: dat smoke

16:43:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0975 = 0.4875 BTC [+]

16:44:04 benkay: ah yes

16:48:35 thestringpuller: niggas must be workin hard. not many blog updates

16:48:56 thestringpuller: bitcoinpete: lets make a historical archive of all scams like we discussed before

16:51:20 bitcoinpete: thestringpuller: the point of the "wallet inspector" term is that everything is a scam until proven otherwise

16:51:52 asciilifeform: jurov: normally i don't give a rat's arse if people want to use it as a hammer. but inevitably they will whine, 'it's a poor hammer, help us'

16:51:53 bitcoinpete: it's essentially impossible to document all the nitty gritty little nonsense ipos/alts/blahblahs out there

16:52:21 bitcoinpete: it's far more sane to explore what makes the non-scams different

16:52:31 bitcoinpete: and to share what works

16:53:02 bitcoinpete: only occasionally beating a scam to a pulp when the mood and/or opportunity arises.

16:53:49 bitcoinpete: there honestly aren't enough hours in a day to document "all the scams"

16:54:06 bitcoinpete: and we're only 5.5 years into this thing

16:54:12 bitcoinpete: ;;ticker

16:54:13 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 521.07, Best ask: 523.4, Bid-ask spread: 2.33000, Last trade: 523.5, 24 hour volume: 18398.37867255, 24 hour low: 517.01, 24 hour high: 547.1, 24 hour vwap: 531.31044325

16:59:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8750 @ 0.00093569 = 8.1873 BTC [+] {2}

17:00:09 HeySteve: finally, the smoking gun of gold price manipulation: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-23/i-am-hoping-mini-puke-details-barclays-gold-manipulation

17:00:10 assbot: "I Am Hoping For A Mini Puke": Details Of Barclays' Gold Manipulation | Zero Hedge

17:04:30 benkay: !t h rent

17:04:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00560000 / 0.00568301 / 0.00570010 (82 shares, 0.46600654 BTC), 7D: 0.00560000 / 0.00593967 / 0.00650000 (1458 shares, 8.66004255 BTC), 30D: 0.00532500 / 0.00641192 / 0.00750000 (8993 shares, 57.66238637 BTC)

17:05:20 benkay: i wonder how hard rent will get hammered in the next bull market.

17:05:49 benkay: can't short the fucker, they'll arbitrarily pin the price at .008.

17:10:44 benkay: HeySteve: i don't see the problem. sucker bought shit paper from a firm with a big fucking stick. firm used the stick to make the market do what they wanted.

17:13:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 18 @ 0.0395 = 0.711 BTC [-]

17:14:55 BingoBoingo: benkay: Shame Mr. Ohio is a wonder place isn't here to !up and ask that question to.

17:15:08 pankkake: benkay: I was thinking of starting a general shorting fund - sell shares that mimic shares in every way (pay same divs, buyback at vwap after X months). sell the shares at a discount to make them more appealing than real shares

17:15:11 HeySteve: benkay, market manipulation on that scale is supposedly illegal

17:15:31 pankkake: however 1) I don't have the time 2) talkvestors wouldn't understand it

17:15:35 HeySteve: barcalys fine 26 million GBP

17:16:44 BingoBoingo: pankkake: You mean synthetics

17:19:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 15 @ 0.02310001 = 0.3465 BTC [+] {2}

17:20:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31007 @ 0.00093514 = 28.9959 BTC [-]

17:24:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.0975 = 0.39 BTC [+]

17:26:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40656 @ 0.00093586 = 38.0483 BTC [+]

17:27:26 benkay: BingoBoingo: i have no questions for the man.

17:28:09 benkay: HeySteve: outlawing market manipulation is a fools errand. those with the cash to throw around are going to do so regardless of the regulatory environment and do so all the time.

17:28:09 BingoBoingo: benkay: Well, you want to know how much it will crash? Why not seek a guestimate from the source?

17:28:34 Apocalyptic: <benkay> HeySteve: outlawing market manipulation is a fools errand. those with the cash to throw around are going to do so regardless of the regulatory environment and do so all the time. << pretty much benkay

17:28:53 Apocalyptic: it's not like it's enforceable or anything

17:28:59 benkay: pankkake: sounds like a neat synthetics project.

17:29:17 HeySteve: it depends on the structure of the market. if you can naked short commodities, commodity prices will become distorted

17:29:19 benkay: bit of a collateralization problem, though.

17:29:42 benkay: HeySteve: nonsense.

17:29:53 HeySteve: explain gold market then, benkay

17:29:55 benkay: prices are always distorted.

17:30:20 benkay: the myth of a stable market is sold to consumer investors to legitimize state intervention in the markets.

17:30:37 benkay: there is absolutely fuck-all wrong with my borrowing 100B from mircea_popescu and selling them on the open market to pay him back later.

17:31:04 benkay: it's mp's responsibility to audit my ability to pay, not the governments to prohibit the borrowing.

17:31:12 HeySteve: yeah

17:31:18 HeySteve: but that's not naked short selling

17:31:23 benkay: yes it is.

17:31:41 benkay: okay fine no its not, because i haven't made the paper up.

17:32:19 benkay: this however is an artifact of a totally hilariously antiquated system, non?

17:33:06 HeySteve: yeah absolutely, and pretty sure governments like to see gold price suppressed. major rises in gold give away their inflationary printing

17:33:19 benkay: if the US stock market wasn't running on 60s technology with no idea if a given broker actually had the things they were selling, this wouldn't be a problem.

17:33:57 benkay: the solution apparently is to ban naked short selling and protect the institutionalized idiocy that is the US paper transfer 'network'.

17:35:01 HeySteve: Patrick Byrne from Overstock has been pushing for that ban

17:35:23 HeySteve: this sort of thing isn't possible with Bitcoin though

17:35:36 benkay: wat

17:35:46 benkay: no this has to do with paper of companies, not bitcoins themselves

17:36:00 benkay: if havelock wanted to enable naked short selling they could do that in half a second

17:36:17 benkay: mpex as well

17:36:52 benkay: afaik there's no way to evaluate the float on mpex. you just gotta trust mircea_popescu.

17:37:36 benkay: and for the record people have sold bitcoins naked as well in the past

17:37:37 HeySteve: yeah I see what you mean

17:37:41 benkay: didn't go so well, but it's happened.

17:38:26 benkay: anyways - don't enter into contracts with people who can swing the market around to make the contract pay out however they want.

17:39:03 benkay: p. sure this happened with the mpex btc/usd options as well. no proof, but...

17:39:16 HeySteve: sure, that's common sense. but banks trading against their customers, well I'm pretty sure that's illegal. Goldman has done it too

17:39:47 benkay: what i'm trying to convey to you is that it's standard operating procedure regardless of the law.

17:40:26 HeySteve: it's like how brokers can fleece clients by trading through their stops

17:41:13 HeySteve: sure, I have no doubt it's SOP

17:42:06 HeySteve: gold's been suppressed for ages with all kinds of crazy slamdown trades

17:42:34 HeySteve: no one looking to get good prices will sell everything huge volumes all at once

17:42:51 HeySteve: this is very common in gold markets though, it's blatant manipulation

17:43:02 pankkake: benkay: yes, also one of the reason the contract would have to be long. limits on upside to not go bankrupt in rare cases (say, 3×). limits on volume - many assets have no trading happening…

17:53:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23750 @ 0.00093468 = 22.1987 BTC [-] {2}

17:54:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74136 @ 0.00093471 = 69.2957 BTC [+] {4}

17:57:56 bitcoinpete: fluffypony: how to become rich? first, have several million Dollars. << lulz

17:59:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 6 @ 0.0399 = 0.2394 BTC [+] {2}

18:00:04 thestringpuller: bitcoinpete: Lincoln23r@

18:00:13 thestringpuller: Ugh

18:00:16 thestringpuller: gotta change that password

18:00:22 thestringpuller: LOGGED FOR LYFE

18:00:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] [PAID] 16.96747444 BTC to 29`438 shares, 57638 satoshi per share

18:00:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 243 @ 0.03816809 = 9.2748 BTC [-] {13}

18:01:02 thestringpuller: 2nd time i've done that

18:01:15 bitcoinpete: lol

18:01:21 bitcoinpete: i'll bbl

18:01:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 94 @ 0.0975 = 9.165 BTC [+]

18:02:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0975 = 0.195 BTC [+]

18:03:03 kakobrekla: change you password to "hows your day?"

18:03:11 kakobrekla: your*

18:03:11 thestringpuller: Sure

18:03:14 kakobrekla: and problem fixd

18:03:17 thestringpuller: too bad that's use on coin br

18:04:14 jurov: ;;ident thestringpuller

18:04:14 gribble: Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net', is identified as user 'thestringpuller', with GPG key id 0FF2943DA179E169, key fingerprint 6ACE36E786F39A4ADC4506DE0FF2943DA179E169, and bitcoin address None

18:05:18 benkay: cat ~/.ssh/major_client | pbcopy

18:06:01 jurov: drop table users;

18:06:07 jurov: oops wrong window

18:07:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31850 @ 0.0009349 = 29.7766 BTC [+]

18:07:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 3 @ 0.13299999 = 0.399 BTC [+]

18:08:27 thestringpuller: well at least I don't use that password in too many places ~_~ 2nd time i've done that. ugh

18:11:22 pankkake: protip: http://www.zx2c4.com/projects/password-store/

18:11:23 assbot: Pass: The Standard Unix Password Manager

18:13:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3000 @ 0.00011025 = 0.3308 BTC [-] {10}

18:14:04 thestringpuller: yea that's my project for the weekend pankkake just been a bit lazy

18:14:48 jurov: thestringpuller: at least you shouldn't mention where the pw is from. you're very lucky you caught me

18:15:19 jurov: cuz i'm at a party atm, just wanted to shut down my lappy

18:16:31 jurov: http://www.rouming.cz/roumingShow.php?file=smart_girl.jpg thestringpuller is smart :D

18:16:31 assbot: Roumenv Rouming - Zbavn a zajmav obrzky - smart girl

18:16:57 jurov: later

18:17:36 thestringpuller: password is used in two places unfortunately two very important places

18:17:38 thestringpuller: both changed

18:17:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 110 @ 0.00457988 = 0.5038 BTC [+] {3}

18:17:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00011001 = 0.11 BTC [-]

18:18:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.48 BTC [-]

18:19:22 thestringpuller: :(

18:20:27 moiety: i have to run out for half hour again but i'll be back asaic

18:20:33 artifexd: Any recommendations for a linux desktop? Requirements: It would mostly be used for dev work and standard internet user stuff and I have to be able to run Windows in a VM (work requires Visual Studio).

18:20:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.0381002 = 0.1143 BTC [-] {2}

18:20:59 artifexd: I was thinking about Ubuntu but apparently they suck for reasons that are unclear to me.

18:21:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00011001 = 0.11 BTC [-] {2}

18:22:17 thestringpuller: something simple

18:23:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4010 @ 0.00011699 = 0.4691 BTC [+] {2}

18:23:11 thestringpuller: archlinux is pretty good

18:23:13 artifexd: Additional requirement: It has to be multi-monitor friendly. I'm driving over 10megapixels of desktop.

18:24:10 thestringpuller: just buy a mac

18:24:12 thestringpuller: <.<;;

18:24:24 rithm: <epeen> Linux 3.5.0-47-generic | Dual Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-3220 CPU @ 3.30GHz 1600.000 MHz | Mem: 2684/4019M [||||||||||] | Diskspace: 1863G Free: 1455G | Bogomips: 26341.7 | Screen Res: 3360x1050 | Procs: 202 | eth0: In: 5.89G Out: 4.17G | 13:24:25 up 3 days, 23:03, 4 users, load average: 0.23, 0.23, 0.45

18:26:16 artifexd: ;;calc (2160 * 1600 * 3) + (1200 * 1600 * 2)

18:26:17 gribble: 14208000

18:26:27 Apocalyptic: <thestringpuller> archlinux is pretty good // it is

18:27:15 artifexd: Will proficiency on archlinux help with centos?

18:32:02 thestringpuller: get red hat if that's what you want

18:32:06 thestringpuller: or what's it called

18:32:08 thestringpuller: Fedora

18:32:25 TomServo: Anyone tried Elemental OS?

18:32:32 artifexd: I'm not married to Centos. It is just what I've used for servers at home.

18:33:25 TomServo: Er, elementary rather

18:33:46 pankkake: Fedora is pretty good. Ubuntu with less insanity. Perhaps with a smaller community

18:33:48 artifexd: Does which distribution I use even really matter?

18:34:21 thestringpuller: ^-

18:34:24 pankkake: it depends on your needs

18:34:35 thestringpuller: and depends on what you want to be proficient int

18:34:37 thestringpuller: in*

18:35:14 benkay: bsd or bust

18:35:46 pankkake: bsd ain't ready for the desktop

18:36:02 benkay: <benkay> dogecoin

18:36:02 benkay: <zrobo> cryptsy.com: 1 dogecoin = 78 satoshis. coindesk price $0.0004. 24 hr volume: 1147 megadoge

18:36:12 benkay: i wouldn't know

18:37:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.0975 = 1.95 BTC [+]

18:37:17 Apocalyptic: damn ATC is roughly 5 times for valuable that doge

18:37:44 Apocalyptic: *more

18:39:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7100 @ 0.00092945 = 6.5991 BTC [-]

18:44:07 mod6: pankkake: did you try out pcbsd?

18:44:08 thestringpuller: ATC is THE altcoin...

18:44:47 pankkake: no

18:44:49 BingoBoingo: %book

18:44:52 atcbot: 14k@327 0k@300 20k@290 | 6k@200 32k@195 50k@158

18:44:54 pankkake: %diff

18:44:55 atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 455357.13 Est. Next Diff: 157863.61 in 481 blocks (#32256) Est. % Change: -65.33

18:45:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 55 @ 0.0334999 = 1.8425 BTC [+] {2}

18:46:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.034 = 0.17 BTC [+]

18:49:58 BingoBoingo: %ticker

18:49:59 atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 195 Ask: 290 Last Price: 200 24h-Vol: 6k High: 200 Low: 200 VWAP: 200

18:51:09 asciilifeform: artifexd: gentoo.

18:51:39 asciilifeform: artifexd: a bit baroque perhaps, but a comfortable place for bsd exiles.

18:52:28 artifexd: What about comfortable for WIndows exiles? :)

18:52:30 asciilifeform: gentoo is more or less a final solution to the 'extraneous crud problem' much lamented by ubuntu, etc. users.

18:53:08 asciilifeform: WIndows exiles << can't help here - consult a detox clinic perhaps

18:53:14 artifexd: lol

18:53:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.0975 = 1.0725 BTC [+]

18:53:47 asciilifeform: you can use kde, gnome, etc. i suppose - but see mircea_popescu's recent essay re: what that's like.

18:54:15 Apocalyptic: <asciilifeform> you can use kde, gnome, etc. // also known as the clickodrome

18:54:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24300 @ 0.0009294 = 22.5844 BTC [-] {2}

18:55:07 artifexd: As far as desktops go, kde and gnome are pretty much all there is, right?

18:55:13 asciilifeform: http://www.nongnu.org/ratpoison << my favourite wm, since '04

18:55:13 assbot: ratpoison: Say good-bye to the rodent

18:56:11 pankkake: artifexd: for full desktop + app suite, you mean. and there is at least xfce

18:56:25 pankkake: for window management… there's many

19:00:31 mod6: ion++

19:02:26 artifexd: So many choices. So overwhelming.

19:03:08 thestringpuller: 12 mod6 = 0

19:03:12 thestringpuller: :D

19:03:34 asciilifeform: the hardest thing, it seems, for folks freshly cured of winblows or apple, is: learning to handle choice.

19:04:59 artifexd: I remember a story from the early 90's about people coming to the US from Russia and getting stuck in the supermarket because they couldn't choose a toothpaste due to the number of choices.

19:05:08 thestringpuller: can you run chrome in rat poison?

19:05:15 asciilifeform: thestringpuller: sure.

19:05:22 asciilifeform: thestringpuller: any x11 app will work

19:05:24 thestringpuller: i'll have to give a look

19:05:39 mod6: <+thestringpuller> 12 mod6 = 0 << haha

19:05:41 thestringpuller: KDE and GNOME are like choosing between two bowls of shit

19:05:58 asciilifeform: thestringpuller: ones that spew a multitude of small top-level windows will be a pain, though.

19:06:07 pankkake: http://i3wm.org/ is a popular choice

19:06:07 assbot: i3 - improved tiling wm

19:06:36 BingoBoingo: artifexd: Just run Solaris 8 with Common Desktop Environment

19:06:59 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: masochist?

19:07:16 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Nostalgic

19:07:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.00589991 = 0.295 BTC [+]

19:08:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.0975 = 1.0725 BTC [+]

19:10:13 BingoBoingo: I never understood why HDMI and DVI took off, what was wrong with DB13W3

19:10:41 pankkake: the name

19:11:02 thestringpuller: Also why does HDMI handle encryption?

19:11:07 thestringpuller: BluRay chain encryption is dumb.

19:11:29 thestringpuller: People just put that shit in a bluray drive and rip an mkv anyways...

19:14:28 benkay: ;;ticker

19:14:29 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 530.88, Best ask: 533.79, Bid-ask spread: 2.91000, Last trade: 533.79, 24 hour volume: 19278.95933069, 24 hour low: 519.4, 24 hour high: 547.1, 24 hour vwap: 531.374707917

19:14:44 asciilifeform: why does HDMI handle encryption << idiotic attempt at copyprotection from some years ago

19:14:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40900 @ 0.00093038 = 38.0525 BTC [+] {2}

19:14:55 asciilifeform: the master key was leaked.

19:15:14 asciilifeform: (as this were a surprise - it's in every lcd tv on the planet)

19:15:35 BingoBoingo: Some day when I have the room for them: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sun-Ultra-80-Ultra-60-Sparcstation-5-Computers-21-CRT-Monitor-Spare-Parts/171328101978?_trksid=p2045573.c100033.m2042&_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20131017132637%26meid%3D7108958640035309655%26pid%3D100033%26prg%3D20131017132637%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D4%26sd%3D270838326121

19:15:36 assbot: Sun Ultra 80 Ultra 60 Sparcstation 5 Computers 21" CRT Monitor Spare Parts | eBay

19:17:31 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i threw out a HP J2240 just a few days ago, when moving.

19:19:11 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 120 pounds.

19:19:15 TomServo: You'd think they'd have learned after the CSS key was leaked.

19:19:49 asciilifeform: TomServo: copyprotection crud is ceremonial.

19:20:12 benkay: the people with the money to implement dumb crypto things are never going to select professional services people for execution who say things like "what you are trying to build is not possible to build".

19:20:46 benkay: they're going to select people who say things like "well that's going to cost you 2.3 million dollars at the low end, and maybe as much as 10, but you'll have rock-solid DRM at the end of it".

19:21:24 benkay: hey princessnell

19:22:55 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: HP's problem is they never went all the way. Playing with AMD64 is what pushed sun into Oracle's maw.

19:23:13 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: never went all the way?

19:23:25 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: this wasn't an x86 box

19:23:29 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Embracing the RISC

19:23:55 BingoBoingo: PA could have lived on like SPARC, but HP never tried to push it hard enough.

19:23:57 asciilifeform: PA-RISC, dual cpu. everything custom (incl. RAM), everything 'tempest' shielded, power supply on rails.

19:24:21 asciilifeform: it was briefly my only comp as a student

19:24:38 asciilifeform: deliberately bought without video card (used rs-232 tty with an ibm 'green screen' term)

19:24:53 BingoBoingo: Wonderful machine. Shame HP went Itanic.

19:25:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51600 @ 0.00092859 = 47.9152 BTC [-] {4}

19:25:28 asciilifeform: itanic was a curious beast. taught to us in sys. arch. class as example of 'what not to do'

19:25:41 asciilifeform: used 'vliw', and relied on compiler for the pipeline scheduling

19:28:49 BingoBoingo: In college I bought a couple shares of Sun stock for around $4 per. Registered as a shareholder. Got a bunch of swag in the form of t-shirts and Solaris DVDs

19:29:43 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i still wish it were possible to buy a pc/atx chassis built like that hp.

19:29:47 asciilifeform: afaik, it isn't.

19:29:48 thestringpuller: ;;google 3d printing houses in china

19:29:49 gribble: Chinese Company Builds Houses Quickly With 3D Printing - Mashable: http://mashable.com/2014/04/28/3d-printing-houses-china/; 3D printer builds houses in China - video - The Guardian: http://www.theguardian.com/technology/video/2014/apr/29/3d-printer-builds-houses-china-video; Giant Chinese 3D printer builds 10 houses in just 1 day (PHOTOS ...: http://rt.com/news/155220 (1 more message)

19:31:02 asciilifeform: all the parts (mobo, power supply, drive holder) had pull handles and rolled out on wheels.

19:31:03 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: If I ever get bored enough to take up metalworking as a hobby cases like that would make interesting projects.

19:31:54 asciilifeform: one time power supply capacitor (fist-sized) exploded, filled half the dorm floor with acrid magic smoke.

19:32:35 BingoBoingo: Only thing in my time at the dorms that exploded was the water fountain.

19:33:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 55 @ 0.03435 = 1.8893 BTC [-]

19:35:00 BingoBoingo: Resident adviser tried imposing order on athlete down the hall, was dropped onto the water fountain with force the last day of the semester.

19:35:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10700 @ 0.00092773 = 9.9267 BTC [-]

19:36:41 BingoBoingo: http://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-9000-J2240-workstation-server-A4458A-A4943A-A4457-69520-HP-UX-10-20-11-00-11i-/380587143360?pt=US_Thin_Clients&hash=item589cc2f0c0

19:36:43 assbot: HP 9000 J2240 Workstation Server A4458A A4943A A4457 69520 HP UX 10 20 11 00 11i | eBay

19:38:45 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: that one.

19:39:01 asciilifeform: can't imagine anyone will pay money for it.

19:40:25 *: moiety returned

19:40:56 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Maybe not as a whole system, but as a case... Unfortunately it isn't priced for parts.

19:41:20 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: it was very much not a pc-usable case.

19:41:39 BingoBoingo: Ah

19:42:35 asciilifeform: one nice touch was the os-independent status lcd (16 chars.)

19:43:38 asciilifeform: the plastic facade had a tempest mesh (mu metal?) behind it.

19:44:22 asciilifeform: next to it, on the curb, i left a g3 mac. wonder if anyone lifted it.

19:45:03 benkay: !up princessnell

19:45:15 princessnell: ty

19:45:29 princessnell: all well benkay?

19:45:42 benkay: p well, yeah.

19:45:56 benkay: pitter-patter of monsoon season outside.

19:47:10 princessnell: ruh roh

19:52:08 princessnell: mircea_popescu: this opens up a large debate as to whether life has purpose. i happen to hold that it doesnt, which informs the choice of vocabulary. it'll have to be translated (apolitic ?) to avoid linking that dependency in there. << on the most basic level the purpose of life is to keep living. everything else is window dressing but the actions they adorn reveal a necessary performative acknowlegement.

19:53:01 princessnell: not exactly keep living, but maximize probability of the highest possible degree of genetic transmission. but you get my drift.

19:53:27 bitcoinpete: princessnell i think that's too reductionist

19:53:44 bitcoinpete: our purpose is to achieve, to grow, to strive for better.

19:53:56 princessnell: rite rite, that's the window dressing

19:54:04 bitcoinpete: that often includes children, but this isn't a necessity

19:54:12 princessnell: some of those are better or worse to achieve those ends depending on environemnt/institutions

19:54:40 princessnell: bitcoinpete that often includes children, but this isn't a necessity << right, Hamilton's law

19:55:00 bitcoinpete: right

19:55:35 bitcoinpete: achievement isn't window dressing if it impacts the world.

19:55:41 bitcoinpete: window dressings are passive

19:55:49 princessnell: mircea_popescu and in that they become unhuman. basically a major point of that article is that this desperate clutching at straws, people trying to retain their people-relevance in economics is a little lulzy. there's no room for politics in economy. << i am excited to learn more about this non-political economy you have discovered!

19:55:50 bitcoinpete: impact is lasting

19:56:15 princessnell: bitcoinpete you're right. i was framing in terms of MP's nihilism.

19:57:40 bitcoinpete: mp's nihilism?

19:57:53 bitcoinpete: i would've thought he was the exact opposite

19:58:10 bitcoinpete: you read http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/04/29/bitcoin-killer-of-nietzschian-nihilism/ ?

19:58:12 assbot: Bitcoin: Killer of Nietzschian Nihilism | When Bitcoin Met Pete

19:58:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 9 @ 0.0397999 = 0.3582 BTC [+]

19:58:39 princessnell: yes

19:59:53 bitcoinpete: so bitcoin is exactly opposed to nihilism

20:00:26 princessnell: ok, but i'm not sure how that addresses "this opens up a large debate as to whether life has purpose. i happen to hold that it doesnt."

20:01:20 nubbins`: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_4bP0spB4hTk/TKTS4km80TI/AAAAAAAAAFg/MegTIQSVVj4/s400/big_lebowski_nihilists.jpg

20:01:44 nubbins`: what in the world is purposeful about a bunch of molecules smacking into each other?

20:02:19 bitcoinpete: that experience exists

20:02:35 nubbins`: sure, but what's experience?

20:02:52 nubbins`: more molecules smacking into each other

20:02:57 bitcoinpete: exactly this question and the ability to ask it

20:02:58 nubbins`: in novel ways, perhaps, but..

20:03:04 bitcoinpete: that's experience

20:03:57 bitcoinpete: princessnell: i can't speak more on mp's behalf. i know not his mind

20:04:15 nubbins`: speaking of mp, he's actually moving overseas or smth?

20:05:53 bitcoinpete: looks that way

20:05:59 nubbins`: imagine

20:08:04 bitcoinpete: well, he was overseas to begin with. now he'll just be south afaik

20:08:56 princessnell: bitcoinpete sure. i was just responding to his idea as presented. but we'll see.

20:09:36 princessnell: i am still getting a feel for everyone here

20:10:50 chetty: no one knows what lurks in the mind of MP, even MP

20:12:05 Duffer1: i imagine .bait models dancing around a shrine of spreadsheets

20:13:15 bitcoinpete: i imagine a west african tribal village with mp dressed as a shaman

20:13:30 nubbins`: so, basically Ginger Baker in Africa

20:13:34 nubbins`: but with a different color hair

20:13:42 nubbins`: i can dig that

20:15:50 bitcoinpete: ;;google ginger baker

20:15:51 gribble: Ginger Baker's Official Website: http://www.gingerbaker.com/; Ginger Baker - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ginger_Baker; QA: Ginger Baker on Why 'the Rolling Stones Are Not Good Musicians': http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/q-a-ginger-baker-on-why-the-rolling-stones-are-not-good-musicians-20131011

20:16:12 bitcoinpete: omg that dude's grizzled

20:16:19 chetty: !up princessnell

20:16:19 nubbins`: you don't know the half of it

20:16:30 bitcoinpete: he's 35?

20:16:33 nubbins`: nooooo

20:16:42 nubbins`: he's in his 70s or 80s now, or maybe even dead

20:16:53 nubbins`: ah, 74

20:17:05 nubbins`: lives in sud afrika, maybe fluffypony can track him down

20:17:13 fluffypony: wot wot

20:17:26 nubbins`: suid afrika, even

20:17:39 bitcoinpete: yes, let's get grizzles in the wot

20:17:53 fluffypony: cool, we're a regular celebratory hideaway :)

20:18:23 nubbins`: there's documentary "beware of mr baker" about him, pretty good watch

20:21:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30050 @ 0.00092758 = 27.8738 BTC [-] {2}

20:22:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0225001 = 0.225 BTC [-]

20:23:00 chetty: The FT economics editor Chris Giles says French economist Thomas Piketty's bestseller "Capitalism in the 21st Century," about rising inequality in the West, contains serious errors that undermine his conclusion that wealth distributions are widening.

20:23:00 chetty: Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/the-ft-accusation-against-piketty-2014-5#ixzz32ZXgVQsV

20:23:01 assbot: The FT Accusation Against Piketty - Business Insider

20:28:47 chetty: artifexd, I use ubuntu for development, its not that bad - but on newer releases you gotta dump the unity desktop

20:29:43 bitcoinpete: chetty: shocking, piketty is a statist shill

20:30:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.47016526 BTC [-]

20:32:16 fluffypony: chetty: Xubuntu

20:32:27 fluffypony: no Unity, LDXE in its place

20:32:35 fluffypony: *LXDE

20:34:22 princessnell: chetty unfortunately i don't think that will matter

20:34:53 chetty: nope the piketty damage is done already

20:36:41 chetty: like any other 'science' the lefty likes, run with it, truth matters not

20:37:53 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --marker all

20:37:53 gribble: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitstamp. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure (1 more message)

20:37:55 BingoBoingo: ;;more

20:37:56 gribble: the code is a valid currency on your target market. Default currency is USD.

20:38:07 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all

20:38:11 princessnell: it's p depressing in the trenches

20:38:14 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 530.92, vol: 19519.98262803 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 516.317, vol: 13314.94478 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 528.81, vol: 17373.19806191 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 539.85, vol: 80.31780741 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 526.734579, vol: 6631.00450000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 521.46849, vol: 16.9693586 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 532.9721, vol: 134.62200804 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message)

20:38:15 BingoBoingo: ;;more

20:38:15 gribble: average: 526.399037598

20:42:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16700 @ 0.00092968 = 15.5257 BTC [+]

20:44:45 chetty: I guess sel in May and go away doesn't count in btc

20:46:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0975 = 0.4875 BTC [+]

20:51:18 Apocalyptic: chetty, it's the opposite in btc, buy in May :)

20:59:03 BingoBoingo: Year to year the best time to buy BTC both changes, and never really changes.

20:59:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0975 = 0.2925 BTC [+]

20:59:42 benkay: !up princessnell

20:59:45 nubbins`: people buy? :D

21:02:05 bitcoinpete: if they can lol

21:04:31 benkay: it's not really that hard, bitcoinpete

21:04:52 bitcoinpete: depends on quantity, desire for privacy

21:05:19 benkay: dollar cost average ftw

21:05:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 11 @ 0.03439607 = 0.3784 BTC [+] {6}

21:05:41 BingoBoingo: http://news.slashdot.org/story/14/05/23/1743225/amazon-escalates-its-battle-against-publishers

21:05:42 assbot: Amazon Escalates Its Battle Against Publishers - Slashdot

21:08:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.03439969 = 0.2408 BTC [+]

21:11:18 fluffypony: http://geekologie.com/2014/05/odd-couples-lion-tiger-and-bear-are-real.php

21:11:19 assbot: Odd Couples: Lion, Tiger And Bear Are Real Life BFFs | Geekologie

21:12:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.0975 = 1.4625 BTC [+]

21:13:33 artifexd: chetty: What do you use in its place?

21:14:49 assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 152 @ 0.00255197 = 0.3879 BTC [+]

21:16:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 55 @ 0.00589991 = 0.3245 BTC [+]

21:36:27 benkay: http://www.catsinsinks.com/

21:36:28 assbot: Cats in Sinks - for all your cat and bathroom needs

21:39:23 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: re: publishers << i know no one who will shed even one tear for the rent-seeking sacks of shit.

21:39:44 BingoBoingo: Yeah, sucks to be the authors caught up in it.

21:47:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42561 @ 0.00093002 = 39.5826 BTC [+] {2}

21:55:00 fluffypony: http://thedoghousediaries.com/comics/uncategorized/2014-05-21-4711ff2.png

21:55:18 fluffypony: I believe we've found the guide /r/bitcoin has been using for post titles

21:56:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10893 @ 0.00093023 = 10.133 BTC [+]

22:03:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.0975 = 0.6825 BTC [+]

22:05:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0975 = 0.4875 BTC [+]

22:05:43 chetty: artifexd, I just force it back to the gnome from older versions

22:16:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 43 @ 0.00459 = 0.1974 BTC [-]

22:22:12 dignork: A bit late, but this xrp selloff is fun. Nobody tried to verify his gpg sig, and it doesn't match actually.

22:22:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0225001 = 0.1125 BTC [-]

22:22:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0337304 = 0.1687 BTC [-]

22:24:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0225001 = 0.1125 BTC [-]

22:30:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21757 @ 0.00093019 = 20.2381 BTC [-] {2}

22:31:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5327 @ 0.00092741 = 4.9403 BTC [-]

22:36:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0225001 = 0.1125 BTC [-]

22:42:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16368 @ 0.00093044 = 15.2294 BTC [+]

22:49:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12700 @ 0.00092741 = 11.7781 BTC [-]

22:54:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7700 @ 0.00093045 = 7.1645 BTC [+] {2}

23:17:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16350 @ 0.00093356 = 15.2637 BTC [+]

23:18:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 263 @ 0.00282131 = 0.742 BTC [-] {5}

23:20:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 25 @ 0.03463148 = 0.8658 BTC [+] {5}

23:23:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 80 @ 0.00273691 = 0.219 BTC [-] {10}

23:24:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.0359 = 0.2513 BTC [+]

23:42:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 22 @ 0.0975 = 2.145 BTC [+]

23:48:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0225001 = 0.225 BTC [-]

23:49:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0225001 = 0.225 BTC [-]

23:58:24 nubbins`: dignork :o

23:58:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24600 @ 0.00093366 = 22.968 BTC [+] {2}