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00:18:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19269 @ 0.00041165 = 7.9321 BTC [-]

00:30:19 ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> so maybe the "doesn't work" vs "worked 3 days ago" is simply that you ran yours for a day and ben_vulpes ran his for fifteen minutes. << it just strikes me as unlikely that a node is going to connect to precisely the room i'm in and then bless me with a usable IP addr

00:37:23 trinque: ag3nt_zer0: having read the foreward, looks interesting; I'll probably have it read in a few days

00:37:52 trinque: I will say that the author's metaphysical end of the world may not be the only one transpiring

00:38:44 trinque: the best crises are, I'm sure, a nice blend of irl and metaphysical destruction

00:40:50 ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1172386 << aye

00:40:50 assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 19:07:07; ascii_field: i will remind readers that 'irc on butcher block' means a 100% reliance on seeds we enter in config. and also on specifying node's external ipv4.

00:41:06 ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1172388 << aye

00:41:06 assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 19:07:18; ascii_field: which is, i suppose, as it should be. but means that: we need seeds.

00:41:27 ben_vulpes: i let my thermonuked node run all night, picked up not a single seed

00:42:44 ben_vulpes: !up Vexual

00:46:42 Vexual: !up SuchWow

00:47:59 Vexual: anyone in norther lats got aurora?

00:49:36 ben_vulpes: !up SuchWow

00:50:23 williamdunne: Wow

00:53:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89665 @ 0.00042304 = 37.9319 BTC [+]

01:03:29 ag3nt_zer0: trinque: yes the best apocalypse is total!

01:03:31 ag3nt_zer0: haha

01:35:55 mats: ha, just noticed asciilifeform's comment when reviewing my ratings

01:36:10 mats: for the record i am not a reverse engineer, my interests are narrowly tailored to exploitation

01:46:35 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes it would by the very fact of connecting. shows you its ip

01:54:38 mircea_popescu: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/25625347/PGP_Pub.png << yeah that's pretty great.

01:54:41 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1K7q4ka )

01:56:44 mircea_popescu: ag3nt_zer0 ironically enough, im sure teaching will be fine. schools tho... hard to say.

01:59:10 thestringpuller: What's this bullshit I'm hearing Gavin has 75% (supermajority) support of "the community" on his stupid BIP?

01:59:19 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1173030 << ahh, such sweet logs await you in the logs.

01:59:19 assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 23:01:12; ag3nt_zer0: so, if structuralism and post-structuralism are reactions against "traditional" humanism, and "tradition" in general (which seems untenable given that I see Traditonal metaphysics as opposed to humanism), would post-post-structuralism be pro-traditionalism to some degree?

01:59:34 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: everytime you shoot this nigga in the head he comes back to fucking life.

01:59:36 mircea_popescu: down from the 100% he thought he had back in janaury ?

02:00:08 mircea_popescu: since we're making up numbers, i would say he needs to have at least 8megapercent support, or else his support won't scale.

02:00:13 asciilifeform: 'the chocolate ration has increased from 100 to 50g...'

02:01:01 mircea_popescu: funny that derps using numbers like retarded children use playdo should at any point expect to be engaged by sane people as if serious.

02:01:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2520 @ 0.00041175 = 1.0376 BTC [-]

02:01:32 *: asciilifeform unpacks crate of east german z80 clones, counts, puts on shelf

02:01:39 thestringpuller: this is what scares me! kids with guns are still dangerous (even if it just them shooting each other)

02:04:45 asciilifeform: thestringpuller: kids throwing own turds are only 'dangerous' to the orderlies, and this only if the latter forgot their mask

02:06:25 thestringpuller: in the even there are no orderlies? everyone gets pegged with poo?

02:07:25 mod6: it's a shit blizzard, Randy.

02:08:07 thestringpuller: you need to get off the liquor mister leahy

02:08:27 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al: 2 items for consideration: 1) what version string is to be used in the first public therealbitcoin nodes? the current one doesn't seem appropriate 2) anyone have existing nodes (of whatever variety) to 'get a light' from? i'd prefer these to 'wild' mysterymeat

02:08:30 mod6: I am the liquor, bobandy.

02:11:59 mod6: asciilifeform: 1) don't have anything to add to this discussion atm. although, we can have it again if you like. 2) I don't have anything going atm; The working nodes (on deb6) are down because i'm working on the gentoo gcc stuff right now.

02:13:02 thestringpuller: http://i.imgur.com/xDGYGZV.jpg << for all the people using cloud as a buzzword

02:13:02 mod6: The patch we got from that mailing list was from a different version for sure than 4.8.4 -- so i've had to hack it in by hand. gentoo is now applying the patch properly. and it's compiling as we speak. there is one caviat that I need to get over before I can test it though.

02:13:31 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform

02:13:33 asciilifeform: mod6: not looking for earth-shaking ideas, but release was, and the thing about to be fielded is clearly something quite else, imho needs a new name, at least new ver. 2) ~somebody~'s gotta have a seed

02:13:38 mod6: ah there you go.

02:13:38 asciilifeform: and mircea_popescu answered 2!

02:13:38 asciilifeform: ty

02:15:12 ag3nt_zer0: mircea_popescu: yeah i am looking for alternatives that's why I asked about btc and ed... is this question a simple "where does the trust lie?"... btw you know those cuddle-puddle poddies they have all the students arranged in now? You know, the ingenious design that promotes cheating and distraction and love? Those are fucking MANDATORY in some districts... teachers couldn't sit them all facing forward if they wanted

02:15:14 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform 0.5.4, 0.6, whichever.

02:15:38 mircea_popescu: ag3nt_zer0 but have ye read the logs ?

02:15:38 *: asciilifeform still in the process of sawing out the irc sync mechanism. after this, will have to see whether the deterministic-build thing actually works (my last attempt using therealbitcoin's 'official' script died in agony on account of gcc strange)

02:15:46 mod6: If we add in (officially the following): { Orphanage Thermonuke, TX Orphanage Amputation, { All DNS Thermonyukyooar Patches } }, I'd say that'd be a new milestone. And I'd propose to call it

02:15:54 asciilifeform: ^ why not.

02:15:58 mircea_popescu: works

02:16:14 mircea_popescu: tho kinda long imo. nobody should need 4 digits of versioning

02:16:28 mircea_popescu: unless, of course, they're from ms. then they need 8. or unl;ess they're running boost and qt.

02:16:36 ag3nt_zer0: mircea_popescu: yes some, not enough, far from done...

02:16:37 mod6: haha

02:16:54 asciilifeform: imho we oughta cleanly break with the gavinists' versioning sequence (e.g., 31337.1)

02:16:57 mircea_popescu: make it 5.4, good enough

02:17:01 mircea_popescu: why ?

02:17:16 asciilifeform: for one thing, would piss on their 'too old' detection mechanism

02:17:20 asciilifeform: widely deployed among unsuspecting folks

02:17:22 mircea_popescu: this is the sequence, logically. buncha derps made some rejected "versions", who cares what they numbered them as ?

02:17:29 mircea_popescu: folks should suspect more.

02:17:42 asciilifeform: was there a turdalicious 5.4 ?

02:17:49 mircea_popescu: what idiots did can not now, nor ever be a consideration.

02:17:59 mod6: well, there isn't a previous version 5.4 -- stops after 5.3 and goes right to 6... so i guess that could work.

02:18:07 mircea_popescu: i'm not going to not name something america because obama.

02:18:08 asciilifeform: idk, what hogs do is in some circumstances a consideration at meat plant

02:18:25 asciilifeform: 5.4 works

02:18:32 mircea_popescu: so then, that.

02:18:33 mod6: let's let ben weigh in here.

02:18:54 asciilifeform: again, i'm not about to fire it quite yet. probably needs another evening or two of massage.

02:19:24 mod6: oh hey, i think my patch built ok...

02:19:38 mod6: now to find out if it actually /works/ XD

02:21:17 mod6: if this works out, it'll be my first official gcc hack

02:22:47 mod6: of course... there is the entire question on the table at this point about the "gentoo sanity" patches.

02:23:14 mod6: before we cut a new milestone, i'd like to have this sucker up and running on gentoo with uclibc & patched with the "gentoo sanity" patches as well.

02:23:29 mod6: then we can finally go off of a version that we support, etc.

02:23:58 mod6: (basically, I'm just saying those patches should have been included in my list above)

02:25:09 mod6: oh, and I keep hitting an additional problem aside from what the "gentoo sanitiy" resolves. i've been holding off submitting a patch for it until I can get this thing actually compiled and working.

02:27:01 mod6: (have been having to add `#define __STDC_LIMIT_MACROS \ #include <stdint.h>` to the start of net.cpp, util.cpp, and wallet.cpp for some bizzare reason)

02:27:26 asciilifeform: ^ that's what i was talking about re: the deterministic build script

02:27:27 mircea_popescu: aha

02:28:05 mircea_popescu: anyway, this is pretty good progress and intel seems to indicate you're actually ahead of the curve, so, dun stress.

02:28:22 *: asciilifeform curious re: 'the curve'

02:28:37 *: asciilifeform wonders how many folks, toiling in forgotten pestholes, have walked same path

02:30:40 mircea_popescu: not that curve. the "o noes, 75% support" curve.

02:34:55 mod6: eh, guess i spoke too soon: my patch comiled in nicely... and much much later in the entire compile process gcc hangs on libcpp: http://dpaste.com/3XZH8PZ.txt

02:34:57 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1LxNmyp )

02:35:04 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1173048 << do not define, or even think about, things in terms of other things. it is a horrible habit and a path to idiocy.

02:35:04 assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 23:24:56; ag3nt_zer0: trinque: well I had no idea what structuralism was but read something by mircer_popescu and at the end he said "welcome to the post-post- structuralist world that the internet has enabled" or something to that effect... that got me looking at structuralisma dn post structuralism and I was just confused because what I read was that structuralism was a reaction against humanism -and- tradition,, but as far

02:35:30 mircea_popescu: structuralism is the proposition that elements of human culture are defined by their relationships to other elements.

02:35:49 mircea_popescu: this is a complex point not accessible to the novice, and so nothing to be taken cavallierly.

02:41:05 mod6: maybe something in my few repeated builds hosed something up. the /work/ dir does seem to get blown away every time.

02:41:14 mod6: smh

02:42:26 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1173058 << this is idealism. and a very idealistic definition to boot, wtf is "orientation towards". like, when i take a piss i'm orientated towards the urinal ?

02:42:26 assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 23:32:50; ag3nt_zer0: trinque: shotgun definition: orientation toward a suprahuman or transcendental "dimension"

02:42:44 mircea_popescu: !up liquidassets

02:44:15 Hasimir: or to put it another way (re: structuralism), everything is interconnected ...

02:44:19 ag3nt_zer0: mircea_popescu: yeah ok, after looking up structuralism, I was just hung up on the idea that if humanism is constructed on erroneous principles, and is structuralism is a reaction to humanism... then its just doubly wayward...

02:44:36 mod6: here's the gcc 4.8.4 patch in question (gcc needs to be patched with Gentoo/uclibc/PIE patches beforehand): http://dpaste.com/0QHZ59X.txt

02:44:37 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1TJejVr )

02:44:39 mircea_popescu: of the crooked timber of humanity no correct thing was ever made.

02:44:53 mircea_popescu: to say that any paradigm is flawed is not to say very much at all.

02:45:05 ag3nt_zer0: so maybe with a post-post-post the ship eventually by chance faces due north

02:45:11 mircea_popescu: it'd be interesting if you can show how its flaws impede its intended results and how can they be cheaply remedied.

02:45:14 Hasimir: "these sorts of things have happened before and have always been attributable to human error."

02:45:27 mod6: i'm gonna nuke that machine again and try to compile it again with the patch. see if it works. if not, i'll just see if it'll even compile gcc itself.

02:45:45 mircea_popescu: mod6 i didn't know la serenissima had nukes :D

02:47:05 mod6: just of the bitwise persuasion :]

02:47:10 mircea_popescu: hehe

02:48:34 mircea_popescu: ag3nt_zer0 the entire thing started with the absolutely correct observation that words have i nfact no meanings, not anymore than any one website has google pagerank. a theoretical model was proposed where meaning of all words is produced through iteration, exactly in the same manner pr is calculated (and this is why google used to be notable - it implemented a major tenet of culture at the time)

02:48:43 mod6: so one of the reasons i'm being kidna hard-headed about 4.8.4; i'm worried that with a downlevel version such as 3.7 or whatever, that there might not even exist a set of patches (such as Gentoo/uclibc/PIE) that are required for Gentoo -- might be a whole seperate ball of wax & problems.

02:49:13 mircea_popescu: this model is very stupid, notwithstanding interesting results it produces in some cases, and the failure of google exactly illustrates the failures of the model.

02:49:17 mod6: so if we get this one to work, i think that's our best/easiest path, currently.

02:50:22 mircea_popescu: post-post-structuralism is in no sense and to no degree a return to "Traditionalism", which is strictly distinct from the humanism the original structuralism was supposedly a reaction to. it is merely the observation of coexistence : the stupid generate their pseudo-meanings out of iteration, the smart (i've called these before language creators) have thei own dictionaries, the two categories interplay in praxis.

02:50:41 mircea_popescu: (praxis being the usage of a language, or more properly, representational system)

02:51:52 mircea_popescu: and traditionalism, for the record, is the fundamentally correct observation that there can not be such a thing as a new phenomenon, and the fundamentally flawed proposition that for this reason, it is more important to interpret phenomena through history than through any other lens.

02:52:34 mircea_popescu: stuff like taleb is a much more damaging criticism of traditionalism than structuralism ever was or could aspire to be.

02:53:55 mircea_popescu: (and humanism is the proposition, beyond naive, that there exists an universal aspect to everything which is immediately accessible to people. if this sounds stupid well... it's because humanism, like any socialist ideology, is made by the stupid for the use of the stupid)

02:54:51 mircea_popescu: at its core, humanism is the proposition not that there exists a saint peter by the pearly gates, nor that he would understand your language, but that ~you~ would understand ~his~,

02:55:01 mircea_popescu: or for that matter even recognize pearly gates if you saw 'em.

02:55:26 mircea_popescu: which is exactly contradictory to the hermetic tradition, nothing else. (which no, is not simply "jewish")

02:56:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12785 @ 0.00041206 = 5.2682 BTC [+]

02:59:52 mircea_popescu: so now you're in a position to understand why strong (ie, absolute) cryptography is such a threat. it actually annuls a fundamental presuposition of western culture. if there exists something that is in fact inaccessible, then there can be no such thing as "humanism", and thus therefore socialism is just stupid, rather than being what the "nordic system" chicklet claimed for it : stupid but universal.

03:00:41 mircea_popescu: and this is also why "social mobility" is such a big deal, representationally, notwithstanding the nonsense it is in practice, and why the worst thing you can do is kick a black dude out of your clubhouse or whatever.

03:05:44 mircea_popescu: and wtf is "perennialism" even supposed to be, pico de la mirandolla and friends ?

03:09:40 ag3nt_zer0: mircea_popescu: thanks for the response... I am confused about this: "and the fundamentally flawed proposition that for this reason, it is more important to interpret phenomena through history than through any other lens." -is this how traditionalist discourse treat phenomena? exclusively historically? and also: you say taleb can provide a damaging critique of traditionalism? May I kindly ask, whose? What authors/thinkers

03:09:58 mircea_popescu: principally historically.

03:10:04 mircea_popescu: have you read nassim taleb ?

03:10:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86400 @ 0.00041206 = 35.602 BTC [+]

03:10:24 ag3nt_zer0: no, but due to reading something you wrote I have started the black swan

03:10:48 ag3nt_zer0: ...begun

03:10:59 mircea_popescu: aha. no authors specifically, because he does not specifically understand that he's battling westerners that have joined the choir invisible centuries ago.

03:11:09 Hasimir: the problem I have with the rarity of black swans is they nest in the lake across the road every spring ...

03:11:12 mircea_popescu: (this also is why nobody seems to ever want to engage him)

03:11:22 Hasimir: so much for that theory ....

03:11:25 mircea_popescu: Hasimir well you live in a place that doesn't exist anyway >D

03:11:31 Hasimir: heheh

03:11:37 Hasimir: fair point

03:14:18 mircea_popescu: ag3nt_zer0 you familiar with the fantabulous history of the gauss copula ?

03:16:12 ag3nt_zer0: haha no

03:16:16 ag3nt_zer0: sounds good

03:17:06 mircea_popescu: hm. well, do you know what technical analysis is ?

03:18:59 ag3nt_zer0: can't say that I formally do

03:19:53 ag3nt_zer0: what am i talking, yes I do

03:19:54 ag3nt_zer0: not well

03:20:19 mircea_popescu: mkay. there is this psychogenically-driven assumption in financial circles that the past may be used to evaluate future risk. this is incredibly stupid and absolutely perennial (the only thing perennial in human cultural history is stupidity, by the way - smart stuff has no root)

03:20:29 ag3nt_zer0: but i understand that it is used to analyze financial information, particularly in markets

03:21:06 mircea_popescu: in any case, THAT is traditionalism for you. between "nobody went out of business buying ibm" and "our gauss copulae indicate the future will be rosy", crash after crash and disaster after disaster.

03:22:02 mircea_popescu: and THAT is where taleb engages traditionalism - where it matters. nobody is still left at the wheel who can talk back, so nobody does, all that's left is a cargo cult of the dead st. thomas, trudging along.

03:22:05 mircea_popescu: but such is life.

03:23:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 106080 @ 0.00041175 = 43.6784 BTC [-]

03:23:55 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1173066 << check em out, the original windows wizards. to think idiots of all stripes today still try to "be zatko"

03:23:55 assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 23:42:14; punkman: http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/business/wp-content/uploads/sites/20/2015/06/part3topnew.jpg

03:24:08 mircea_popescu: i imagine that's gavin's wet dream, if anything.

03:25:54 ag3nt_zer0: ok. but I am under the impression that at the core of traditionalism are simply metaphysical absolutes... for instance, "the greater cannot proceed from the lesser" - there is one absolute source, be it languaged in a number of ways, etc...

03:26:31 mircea_popescu: the why is the controlling aspect, not the what.

03:26:49 mod6: does that guy have a Matryoshka doll tie?!

03:27:07 *: mod6 laughs

03:28:35 trinque: bahaha who the fuck adopts "Oblivion" but keeps "Brian"

03:32:29 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: is dead

03:32:36 mircea_popescu: it is ?

03:32:40 asciilifeform: go, connect.

03:32:48 *: mircea_popescu looks into.

03:35:58 *: asciilifeform notices that certain nodes in the wild... won't return the genesis block!!

03:37:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29935 @ 0.00041181 = 12.3275 BTC [+] {2}

03:38:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29765 @ 0.00042314 = 12.5948 BTC [+] {2}

03:45:06 mod6: ok weird. same exact error as last time after complete nuke. tomorrow i'll nuke again and see if gcc will compile without the patch.

03:45:39 asciilifeform: achtung, panzers!

03:45:44 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al:

03:45:45 asciilifeform: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-June/000101.html

03:45:46 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ib7iYV )

03:45:52 asciilifeform: '(EXPERIMENTAL) Full IRC Demolition; Manual External IP Setting; Version Bump.'

03:48:28 *: mod6 looks

03:48:40 asciilifeform: ^ precisely what is printed on the box. but all plz read

03:50:20 cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-06-2015#1173220 <<< are you from down under?

03:50:20 assbot: Logged on 23-06-2015 03:11:09; Hasimir: the problem I have with the rarity of black swans is they nest in the lake across the road every spring ...

03:50:46 cazalla: actually forget it, we had this conversation a few weeks ago

03:51:00 mod6: ah and it bumps the version too

03:52:22 asciilifeform: unless someone notices serious problems, this is what will be built (using deterministic build process) and fielded on the first public node

03:53:06 mod6: thanks for your work on this asciilifeform!

03:53:12 asciilifeform: np

03:53:44 asciilifeform: i would like to ask the fine gentlemen to read this and the antecedents (ben_vulpes has a pretty good review on his www)

03:53:55 mod6: im hoping I can figure something out with gcc tomorrow. if I don't get anywhere, perhaps time to cut bait and head in a different direction.

03:54:35 mod6: i've read the patches and ben's review on his blog. i'll be writing up a summary of my own in the SoBA at the end of the month.

03:54:42 asciilifeform: neato

03:54:54 mod6: (same sort of deal as last month)

03:55:47 asciilifeform: btw i will note (in case this wasn't clear) that i test-fire everything i post

03:55:51 asciilifeform: prior to posting

03:55:56 mod6: *nod*

03:56:01 asciilifeform: (this does not excuse other folks from test!)

03:56:20 mod6: as soon as I can, i'll be sure to patch everything in the order specified and kick off a full regression cycle.

03:56:35 asciilifeform: here's a thought:

03:56:41 asciilifeform: deleting crud from bitcoin is so much fun,

03:56:49 asciilifeform: almost sorry we're running short on things to axe.

03:57:11 asciilifeform: !up Vexual

03:57:46 Vexual: stones no longer safe on earth

03:58:00 asciilifeform: 'every program contains at least one bug. every program can be reduced by at least one line. ergo, every program can be reduced to precisely one line - which doesn't work.' (dijkstra?)

03:59:59 asciilifeform: astute readers will notice that proposed 5.4 does not permit externalip to be altered at runtime.

04:00:05 asciilifeform: does anyone consider this a problem?

04:00:08 asciilifeform: please write in.

04:01:04 *: asciilifeform hoses off chopping block, washing off blood, piss, feathers, from today's gavins

04:05:56 thestringpuller: so i'm on this 1000 calorie deficit diet which requires me to burn an extra 1000 calories a day. damn this shit is no joke.

04:06:05 thestringpuller: eating 2000 calories and burning 3000

04:06:58 Vexual: ;;later tell Naphex poker sites, or a pokerstars hat

04:06:59 gribble: The operation succeeded.

04:08:18 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al: who is still using testnet? and for what?

04:10:58 Vexual: thestringpuller: you oughta burn more than 3k

04:12:02 Vexual: eat 10 burn 5

04:12:08 Vexual: or 10

04:12:46 Vexual: enless you wanna live to 100

04:14:22 Vexual: protip: you don't

04:16:10 Vexual: 72 is ideal

04:17:13 Vexual: viagra still works, and you can ride a scooter inn italy

04:19:17 Vexual: .baito

04:21:46 Vexual: mp any more pasta girls?

04:22:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65350 @ 0.00042328 = 27.6613 BTC [+]

04:22:26 Vexual: trinque>?

04:27:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85650 @ 0.00040335 = 34.5469 BTC [-] {3}

04:36:12 thestringpuller: !up Vexual

04:38:32 Vexual: you must be pretty fucking sitstill to only burn 3000

04:39:20 Vexual: i dont see it

04:40:17 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: aw i was going to cut that one out meself

04:40:54 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: regarding build script: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/06/21_a-tour-of-bitcoind-booting-to-its-first-thread.html#ak47.sh

04:40:55 assbot: a tour of bitcoind booting to its first thread ... ( http://bit.ly/1H9cUCd )

04:44:16 Vexual: no money, no family

04:44:59 Vexual: setgen true

04:46:39 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: if i'd like to bootstrap a thermonuke off your previously mentioned node, do i need whitelisting?

04:47:47 Vexual: add it

04:53:55 Vexual: www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCDAfa-NI-M

04:54:25 ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-June/000101.html << well since this thermonuked node refuses to attach to any others, i may as well roll this patch in

04:54:26 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1H9fKHq )

04:55:10 Vexual: corvette muzique

04:57:54 ben_vulpes: Vexual: myeah nice

04:58:13 Vexual: do you even mine << pank

05:00:22 ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: is dead << confirmed

05:01:02 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ben_vulpes well it seems an entire intricacy with stacked nat routers

05:01:33 mircea_popescu: im evidently not set up to support teh esteemed efforts of the republic over here. working on it.

05:03:13 mircea_popescu: testnet does not have any actual uses as it is.

05:03:54 Vexual: !up george its open

05:06:48 ben_vulpes: furthermore it's diverged significantly in behavior from 'mainnet'

05:07:25 thestringpuller: !up Vexual

05:07:36 mircea_popescu: it has, which is what makes it useless.

05:08:11 mats: it'd be great if you all would assess how drunk Vexual is before upping him

05:08:11 Vexual: good luck forking testnet

05:08:26 Vexual: maxint always friend

05:08:35 ben_vulpes: it's just another altcoin at this point

05:08:42 ben_vulpes: mats: i do it just to annoy you

05:08:50 ben_vulpes: and dearest kako

05:09:12 mircea_popescu: assess how, balmer point ?

05:10:25 mats: sure

05:10:28 ben_vulpes: complex differential eqns those

05:10:55 ben_vulpes: hey pete d'you have a node to throw into la serenissima's syncing party?

05:11:20 pete_dushenski: there's a syncing party ?

05:11:38 *: pete_dushenski scrolls up

05:13:02 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-06-2015#1173112 << lol. like the derps at the city here who 'improved asphalt techmologee' by making is less durable.

05:13:02 assbot: Logged on 23-06-2015 02:00:13; asciilifeform: 'the chocolate ration has increased from 100 to 50g...'

05:16:14 ben_vulpes: "your share of bitcoin has increased from n/21e9 to n/42e9"

05:21:52 pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: does the node have to be synced already to join the partay ? i have a 0.7.2 at 222'868

05:28:52 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-06-2015#1173219 << quite so. taleb blames 'the bankers' and 'the revolving door between federal politics and megacorp industry' while failing to take his accusations to their next logical step : popular democracy.

05:28:52 assbot: Logged on 23-06-2015 03:10:59; mircea_popescu: aha. no authors specifically, because he does not specifically understand that he's battling westerners that have joined the choir invisible centuries ago.

05:29:21 pete_dushenski: taleb's too much a protector of the people to see them as the source of all evil.

05:29:37 pete_dushenski: this, despite being a notable proponent of burke.

05:30:16 pete_dushenski: and burke, to my reading, is no fan of the common man and an advocate of monarchy.

05:32:47 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-06-2015#1173236 << myea. 'shouting at the rocks'

05:32:47 assbot: Logged on 23-06-2015 03:22:02; mircea_popescu: and THAT is where taleb engages traditionalism - where it matters. nobody is still left at the wheel who can talk back, so nobody does, all that's left is a cargo cult of the dead st. thomas, trudging along.

05:35:07 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-06-2015#1173220 << canberra ? http://www.contravex.com/2014/12/13/stalking-black-swans-in-canberra-the-city-of-plans/

05:35:07 assbot: Logged on 23-06-2015 03:11:09; Hasimir: the problem I have with the rarity of black swans is they nest in the lake across the road every spring ...

05:35:09 assbot: Stalking Black Swans In Canberra: The City Of Plans | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1LqJVg1 )

05:36:02 mircea_popescu: <pete_dushenski> ben_vulpes: does the node have to be synced already to join the partay << no.

05:36:13 mircea_popescu: but it has to be on a publicly accessible ip, port 8333 open

05:37:40 pete_dushenski: aha

05:48:16 cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-06-2015#1173353 <<< nah, he's from melb

05:48:16 assbot: Logged on 23-06-2015 05:35:07; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-06-2015#1173220 << canberra ? http://www.contravex.com/2014/12/13/stalking-black-swans-in-canberra-the-city-of-plans/

05:49:38 pete_dushenski: cazalla: ah yes, home of csirac and that very bizarrely shaped costco store

05:50:26 cazalla: ya know they include that in real estate ads here now.. "close to schools, transport, costco"

05:51:17 pete_dushenski: you're like america jr. jr. the third !

05:52:13 cazalla: yeah, i never thought i'd see ham planets walking into costco with my own eyes.. i should snap some pics for BingoBoingo

05:52:58 pete_dushenski: i'm sure he'd appreciate it, if for no other reason than as a reminder than the usistan isn't alone in sucking.

05:53:12 pete_dushenski: s/than/that

05:56:37 cazalla: but we have lil' china, lil' italy, so why not large america?

05:57:52 pete_dushenski: makes sense given how much more physical space each american occupies compared to each italian and chinaman

06:08:59 cazalla: !up Keefe

06:18:14 mircea_popescu: cazalla do you use info@qntra.net ?

06:18:21 cazalla: nope

06:19:44 mircea_popescu: buncha emails outbound.

06:20:46 cazalla: spam?

06:21:41 mircea_popescu: myeah.

06:24:43 cazalla: lol 250mb of it

06:31:55 mircea_popescu: so didja lose a pw or what ?

06:32:29 cazalla: what do you mean

06:34:13 mircea_popescu: how did someone end up sending spam off qntra server is what i mean

06:35:14 cazalla: would appear it started around june 14th of this month

06:35:35 cazalla: to the best of my knowledge i've not leaked the password

06:35:56 mircea_popescu: i see june 22

06:38:12 ag3nt_zer0: I should probably just keep digging, but in reading the logs dated late 2013 I see concerns raised that another bubble is fine as long as it doesn't go to 1k... and this was not too long after people were getting warnings that btc wasn't worth more than $130... why was it bad for it to go to 1k or past, and given all this craziness, how do I deduce what would be a current fair price to make a relatively wise investment? I

06:38:25 ag3nt_zer0: liquidated thinking it will continue to sink...

06:39:11 cazalla: mircea_popescu, http://i.imgur.com/KjnyoQA.png 8000 or so of those beginning june 14th

06:39:12 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GwFpVX )

06:39:32 cazalla: pages that is

06:39:36 mircea_popescu: jesus fuck

06:39:41 mircea_popescu: dude....

06:41:33 cazalla: can't you check logs to see who logged in on that day and few proceeding it?

06:42:14 mircea_popescu: i dun have your pws.

06:42:57 cazalla: you must because you gpg'd the new one to me when servers went down after the dmca bullshits with fraudsters

06:43:12 mircea_popescu: you think i keep all that ?

06:43:18 mircea_popescu: at any rate, delete that account.

06:43:41 mircea_popescu: see if you have new php files anywhere, etc.

06:47:08 cazalla: isn't this just a case of someone (likely guy who ddos joiners here) sending out spam from another server but spoofing return address so qntra email gets hammered with delivery fail spam?

06:47:20 cazalla: has qntra server even been sending mail?

06:48:38 mircea_popescu: a) no and b) actually, my server is sending email because somehow someoine signs in as info@qntra and i naively faield to disallow qntra account from sending email

06:49:38 mircea_popescu: did you create that account ?

06:49:56 cazalla: don't remember but likely

06:52:31 cazalla: can't log in to cpanel to delete email addy now

06:52:43 mircea_popescu: didja give it a strong pw ?

06:53:17 cazalla: whatever cpanel autogenerates

06:55:36 mircea_popescu: Authentication: dovecot_login

06:55:42 mircea_popescu: apparently they guessed your pw.

06:57:50 cazalla: for info@qntra.net?

06:59:15 cazalla: you'd wanna make sure because i don't, and have not, created my own passwords for some time

07:00:08 cazalla: nor do i have a passwords.txt sitting on the desktop

07:00:26 mircea_popescu: i dunno how i'd make sure of such a thing.

07:07:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80651 @ 0.00042358 = 34.1622 BTC [+] {3}

07:13:39 mircea_popescu: fucking mess.

07:13:55 mircea_popescu: 1 ([] info@qntra.net spamfight.mdsnet.it[]

07:14:06 mircea_popescu: 1 ([])[] info@qntra.net gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com[]

07:14:17 mircea_popescu: 1 (actorsivakumar.com)[] info@qntra.net gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com

07:14:20 mircea_popescu: etc etc etFUCKINGc

07:28:51 cazalla: not much new in backups i've made so no new php files http://dpaste.com/1NNK6CK.txt

07:28:52 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1J1wJuL )

07:31:16 mircea_popescu: yeah it's not a php thing, seems 100% certain it simply guessed the credentials for that acct, used them for pop3

07:34:58 cazalla: i might've used something weak when creating it but again, it's not something i do so i don't really know what else to say

07:37:43 mircea_popescu: well, i deleted > 50k messages from queue, the email in question, and hopefully gmail, yahoo and everyone else will at some point forget the fact that i spammed them to shit for the first time in my life.

07:38:30 cazalla: mail serv on same ip as qntra because i dont see it in any ban lists yet

07:38:50 mircea_popescu: no.

07:48:33 cazalla: so when you say guessed the credentials, has the person simply guessed the password or had a hash of it and cracked that?

07:50:43 mircea_popescu: most likely the former.

08:14:26 mircea_popescu: cazalla http://dpaste.com/36H4FD1 < new pw

08:14:28 assbot: dpaste: 36H4FD1 ... ( http://bit.ly/1HaAVuC )

08:17:03 mircea_popescu: Jun 23 02:27:40 dovecot: imap-login: Login: user=<info@qntra.net>, method=PLAIN, rip=::1, lip=::1, mpid=10940, secured, session=<K5i5f

08:17:08 mircea_popescu: definitely was broken pw.

08:22:21 punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CIJ2ROsUAAIHwJ7.png

08:22:22 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1HaBXqu )

08:26:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 258100 @ 0.00041448 = 106.9773 BTC [-] {6}

08:27:28 mircea_popescu: ag3nt_zer0 http://fraudsters.com/2013/bitcoin-assets-rules-and-regulations/#selection-103.1-103.32

08:27:29 assbot: #bitcoin-assets rules and regulations on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fy84Jo )

08:40:59 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform looks like i'm going to have a (full chain) bitcoin up in a coupla days.

08:41:29 mircea_popescu: this is an up to date historical (2011) copy of the blockchain.

09:15:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66601 @ 0.00042624 = 28.388 BTC [+] {2}

09:16:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17849 @ 0.00042824 = 7.6437 BTC [+]

09:33:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81300 @ 0.00042824 = 34.8159 BTC [+]

10:43:01 mircea_popescu: anyone wanna do a 50 eur payment for me ?

10:49:43 fluffypony: credit card or wire?

10:50:21 mircea_popescu: paypal o.O

10:50:33 mircea_popescu: derpy blender foundation lives in 2001

10:50:41 fluffypony: sure

10:50:45 fluffypony: pm me detials

10:50:47 fluffypony: *details

10:51:01 mircea_popescu: https://www.blender.org/foundation/development-fund/ << do a platinum thing

10:51:02 assbot: Development Fund - blender.org - Home of the Blender project - Free and Open 3D Creation Software ... ( http://bit.ly/1LiAuy5 )

10:51:23 fluffypony: kk

10:51:48 mircea_popescu: ask them to credit it as <a href=http://fraudsters.com/2015/minigame-smg-april-may-2015-combined-statement/#selection-455.0-455.21Eulora/a, a MMORPG by S.MG

10:52:09 fluffypony: ok looks like it'll be a subscription, so it's 50 EUR/month that comes off PP automagically till I cancel it

10:52:21 mircea_popescu: kk.

10:52:41 mircea_popescu: i'll tell you in reasonable advance when to cancel it.

10:53:08 fluffypony: Your purchase was successfulPayments By PayPal

10:53:09 fluffypony: Description Terms Amount

10:53:09 fluffypony: Blender Development Fund

10:53:09 fluffypony: €50.00 EUR for each month

10:53:09 fluffypony: Effective Date: 23 Jun 2015 €50.00 EUR

10:53:20 mircea_popescu: cool. what's the damage and send addy.

10:53:54 fluffypony: let me email them the link, gimme a sec

10:54:12 mircea_popescu: no rush.

10:57:07 fluffypony: hokay emailed

10:57:18 fluffypony: FNB :-) R710.38 reserved for purchase @ Paypal *blenderfund from cheq a/c

10:57:26 mircea_popescu: fnb ?

10:57:32 fluffypony: bank

10:57:41 mircea_popescu: aha

10:57:42 fluffypony: https://bitx.co says 1 BTC = ZAR 3 394

10:57:42 assbot: BitX ... ( http://bit.ly/1IwiJq6 )

10:57:50 mircea_popescu: uh

10:58:11 mircea_popescu: that's... 10x ?

10:58:52 fluffypony: 0.2093 BTC

10:59:00 mircea_popescu: oh, 3.4k nm

10:59:21 mircea_popescu: yeh sounds about right

10:59:26 fluffypony: 1s2fF7uw5Fsh5Dzu7mP7ccbKM9jFZk89q

10:59:35 mircea_popescu: aite, you'll have it in a few.

10:59:37 fluffypony: tks

10:59:42 mircea_popescu: nono, ty.

11:00:17 fluffypony: pleasure

11:53:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78400 @ 0.00040353 = 31.6368 BTC [-] {2}

12:02:54 fluffypony: lol

12:02:56 fluffypony: mircea_popescu

12:03:03 fluffypony: Thanks for the donation. The page you want to link doesn't comply to the standards for linking on blender.org. Please give a link to a page with your personal info (contact info) or that of your company.

12:03:04 fluffypony: Regards,

12:03:04 fluffypony: -Ton-

12:03:21 mircea_popescu: uh

12:04:55 mircea_popescu: <a href=http://mpex.co/?mpsic=S.MGS.MG/a, Bitcoin Games

12:06:22 fluffypony: k replied

12:07:07 mircea_popescu: ty

12:08:36 mircea_popescu: sooo... coinbase sells ads through buysell ads, and wants to get 20 bucks cpm

12:08:39 mircea_popescu: lolk.

12:37:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60765 @ 0.00039851 = 24.2155 BTC [-]

12:57:09 asciilifeform: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2015/06/pop-goes-bubble.html << mega-l0l

12:57:09 assbot: ClubOrlov: Pop goes the Bubble ... ( http://bit.ly/1eFEi0d )

12:57:16 funkenstein_: new Cohen piece worth a read

12:58:32 asciilifeform: 'The rate would like to go negative, but it can't. Because, you know, that's the kind of debt even I wouldn't turn down (by the way, I don't have any debt). It's the kind of debt where you give me your money, and then you keep paying me periodically to hold on to it, or spend it, or gamble it away?that's none of your business?until forever, because I have no intention of ever paying you back; I'll just keep rolling it over

12:58:32 asciilifeform: at ever more negative interest rates, and you will have to go on lowering them, because if you don't I might cut down on my gambling and crash the financial system again. If you agree to these terms, then you might as well also give away your wallet and your car keys?just to see what happens.'

13:03:34 mircea_popescu: maybe they give him a diesel engine.

13:03:45 asciilifeform: l0l it looks like he got his engine.

13:08:58 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla can i has http://fraudsters.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/eulora-bitbet.jpg banner on bitbet linked to http://fraudsters.com/cutekittens/buysellads.php?i=1 plox ?

13:08:59 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxfMUT )

13:09:00 assbot: MiniGame (S.MG), April - May 2015 Combined Statement on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxfNbh )

13:09:00 mircea_popescu: i pay 0.1!

13:10:15 kakobrekla: The page you want to link doesn't comply to the standards for linking.

13:13:54 mircea_popescu: omaigerd

13:16:13 kakobrekla: its live but size is wrong

13:16:30 kakobrekla: same thing as last time, 486 instead 468

13:16:48 mircea_popescu: gah

13:17:46 mircea_popescu: and i thought you were kidding fml

13:18:15 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/eulora-bitbet1.jpg << updated kthx

13:18:16 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxgOAf )

13:19:01 kakobrekla: fixed

13:21:19 kakobrekla: >Seal the Deal < lold

13:22:19 mircea_popescu: huh ?

13:22:33 kakobrekla: the last prop https://bitbet.us/propositions/

13:22:33 assbot: BitBet Propositions ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxhiGo )

13:23:11 mircea_popescu: heh

13:28:30 fluffypony: http://www.cem.me/20150621-pgp-poster.html

13:28:30 assbot: PGP Poster - cem ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxhXrr )

13:29:14 mircea_popescu: was in teh log

13:29:50 fluffypony: oh ok

14:56:30 punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CIKJv8yUMAQhYOc.png

14:56:30 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1ddXws9 )

15:03:36 punkman: https://tradeblock.com/blog/bitcoin-network-capacity-analysis-part-6-data-propagation

15:03:38 assbot: Blog | TradeBlock ... ( http://bit.ly/1fx1fTr )

15:06:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67164 @ 0.00041133 = 27.6266 BTC [+] {2}

15:51:18 ben_vulpes: Trusty Thermonuke stalled for lack of seeds at block 182383 last night

15:53:10 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

15:53:16 ascii_field: ben_vulpes: debug.log plz

15:56:51 ben_vulpes: ascii_field: i'm a derp and used "connect" instead of "addnode"

15:57:42 ascii_field: lol ok

15:57:53 ascii_field: btw 'connect' also prevents inbound.

15:58:14 ascii_field: as i understand, it was meant for 'indoor' nodes

15:58:23 ascii_field: (that is, ones used as 'hot' wallet, etc)

15:58:38 ben_vulpes: hm, and yet it added addrs to its addr.dat it allears.

15:58:42 ascii_field: and yes, a 'connect' node lives - and dies - by the other end

15:59:15 ascii_field: ben_vulpes: iirc it still collects seeds so it can spit them back if asked for some

16:00:51 *: ben_vulpes grump

16:01:05 ascii_field: ben_vulpes: no reason to hurry

16:01:56 ascii_field: also didn't i give example arguments in ml ?

16:08:57 trinque: ben_vulpes: did my node work for ya?

16:33:50 mod6: So this is interesting: I was able to use my gcc patch successfully against my AWS instance which has an AMI that utilizes a stage3-uclibc-hardened from 20150510. And meanwhile, trinque was helping me test to ensure I'm not doing something totally retarded, and on his side he was using the Physical hardware steps where it says to pull the latest (which should be 20150610) stage3-uclibc-hardened.

16:34:47 mod6: the Gentoo patches for gcc 4.8.4 changed during this interval from v1.5 to v1.6. Nothing special here. Wonder if there are this many changes to old ebuilds all the time?

16:35:24 mod6: Anyway, trinque wasn't even able to apply my patch successfully on his side.

16:35:43 mod6: Going to continue on with this, just an update.

17:16:02 lobbes: ascii_field: probably would just be easier to have scoopbot do it, but I got lobbesbot reading Phuctor's rss feed. If you feel inclined, give him a rate and I'll set him up to announce.

17:35:27 jurov: !gettrust assbot lobbesbot

17:35:27 assbot: Trust relationship from user assbot to user lobbesbot: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=assbot&to=lobbesbot | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/lobbesbot/

17:35:48 jurov: !rate lobbesbot 1 piece of zamak

17:35:48 assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/bff9f33d30df9729

17:36:19 jurov: !v assbot:jurov.rate.lobbesbot.1:e86048b8b939f767104e5f5503607223701718768b0ca106edf8596d1b4255e0

17:36:20 assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for lobbesbot with note: piece of zamak

17:39:46 funkenstein_: http://i.imgur.com/oVHUpPy.jpg

17:39:47 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1LrWWWL )

17:50:40 trinque: funkenstein_: literally anyone off the street

17:59:43 funkenstein_: trinque, lol i wonder what whoever made the poster was trying to tell us.. with the choice of uncle sam

18:03:44 jurov: that's clear "usg wants you"

18:08:24 ben_vulpes: ;;ticker

18:08:25 gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 244.23, Best ask: 244.24, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 244.23, 24 hour volume: 11849.7222125, 24 hour low: 242.0, 24 hour high: 247.99, 24 hour vwap: None

18:08:53 ben_vulpes: trinque: after i rebooted using "addnode" instead of "connect" directives, the thing has 7 connections and is happily munching block

18:08:56 ben_vulpes: blocks*

18:11:55 ben_vulpes: 184387 blocks, btw)

18:12:53 trinque: munching block << hue

18:29:53 ben_vulpes: https://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/graph/?s%5B1%5D%5Bid%5D=M1

18:29:54 assbot: Graph: M1 Money Stock - FRED - St. Louis Fed ... ( http://bit.ly/1J2JEg2 )

18:30:00 ben_vulpes: (from trinque)

18:55:25 jurov: https://medium.com/@bramcohen/bitcoin-s-ironic-crisis-32226a85e39f

18:55:26 assbot: Bitcoin’s Ironic Crisis — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1BzbdgV )

18:59:04 mircea_popescu: who is known as mats ?

18:59:52 mats: i had two successive brain farts while talking to nickserv

18:59:59 mats: plz ignore

19:01:49 jurov: looks like we now know your password

19:02:59 mod6: anyone wanna sell 2 Wooly Mushrooms?

19:03:15 mod6: oops, wrong window

19:04:32 mod6: so i'm building gcc 4.9.2 on gentoo with uclibc & hardened (PIE). if it builds ok, then I'll give building v0.5.3.1-RELEASE a try - maybe this version won't have the same issue...

19:05:22 mircea_popescu: flamingcows ? srsly ?

19:06:08 mats: i meant to perform /nickserv info flamingcows

19:06:16 mats: since we're all curious now

19:07:10 trinque: bahaha

19:07:16 trinque: no one could've anticipated flaming cows

19:31:45 mats: http://inyourspeakers.com/content/news/318-fort-minor-release-first-track-nine-years-06232015 << https://youtu.be/REAwGmv0Fuk

19:31:46 assbot: Fort Minor - Welcome | Inyourspeakers Media ... ( http://bit.ly/1TLV9hE )

19:31:47 assbot: Fort Minor - Welcome [360 Version] (Official Video) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1TLV9hL )

19:56:31 cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-06-2015#1173510 <<< this is mine.. should be good to go provided i resubmit with resolves yes on either on either intent or confirmation yeah?

19:56:31 assbot: Logged on 23-06-2015 13:21:19; kakobrekla: >Seal the Deal < lold

20:02:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89068 @ 0.00040291 = 35.8864 BTC [-] {2}

20:06:42 punkman: https://gist.github.com/petertodd/8e87c782bdf342ef18fb

20:06:43 assbot: What the CoinWallet.eu tx-flood stress-test means for you and how to deal with it ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jh41ZQ )

20:25:23 kakobrekla: that 'coinwallet' looks like scam

20:35:14 mircea_popescu: cazalla yeh

20:35:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 152350 @ 0.0004009 = 61.0771 BTC [-] {2}

20:35:35 mircea_popescu: punkman do they have a "how not to care" guide now on github ?!

20:36:38 ben_vulpes: eeey, so software, am i right?

20:36:47 ben_vulpes: have you guys ever thought about software

20:36:51 ben_vulpes: it's not soft

20:36:54 ben_vulpes: and you can't wear it!

20:37:21 ben_vulpes: i'll brb - gotta submit something to the Crap Store

20:37:41 mircea_popescu: i hope it's a joke app

20:39:07 mircea_popescu: these idiots i swear. "o noes, a bunch of jokers put in a quarter of a cent on a bunch of txn, because they figure it's cheap publicity. everyone willing to pay more than 0.01% of what bank transfers cost is unaffected"

20:40:12 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

20:41:33 ascii_field: so apparently 'linux support' in modern scientific instrumentation means 'you can, maybe, write own driver in a week by studying pieces of the broken turd we published five hw revisions ago'

20:42:36 mircea_popescu: haha. well... linux is a hobby, right ? those crazy kids enjoy derping wit h code. this is how to best support them

20:44:09 *: ascii_field keeps coming back to the thought that if 'adult' computer were to exist, folks would snap it up even if it were something close to, e.g., pdp-11 in horsepower

20:44:19 trinque: I've said this!

20:44:38 trinque: gimme teh S.NSA box, and I don't care how slow it is

20:44:42 ascii_field: the observation is by no means original to me

20:45:19 ascii_field: trinque: 'don't care' is strong statement - you probably want it to verify blocks in <10min, etc

20:45:42 ascii_field: and to address enough storage to make this criterion even meaningful

20:45:46 trinque: well... maybe all "it" does is talk to that which is doing the block verification

20:46:00 ascii_field: trinque: then it isn't a computer

20:46:02 ascii_field: but a terminal

20:46:05 ascii_field: go, buy one now.

20:46:12 mircea_popescu: funny how the definition of "usable computer" now includes "blocks <10min"

20:46:25 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: that was your maxim

20:46:30 ascii_field: incidentally.

20:46:50 mircea_popescu: o hey, it was, wasn't it.

20:46:51 trinque: I just want something which can derp text buffers

20:47:08 trinque: and shoop them somewhere else, if I'm real lucky

20:49:53 ben_vulpes: schmid: yw

20:49:56 ben_vulpes: !up sch

20:50:08 ben_vulpes: hmph.

20:56:14 pete_dushenski: self-scoop : http://www.contravex.com/2015/06/23/deficit-spending-dependencies/

20:56:16 assbot: Deficit spending dependencies. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cre1I8 )

20:56:26 pete_dushenski: working on another re: treblinka

20:58:27 pete_dushenski: !up thestringpuller

20:58:30 mircea_popescu: lol scoopbot dead again ?

20:58:36 ben_vulpes: where is the scoop anyways

20:58:40 ben_vulpes: ;;seen scoopbot_revived

20:58:41 gribble: scoopbot_revived was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 days, 20 hours, 43 minutes, and 56 seconds ago: <scoopbot_revived> Changing the BitBet resolution process. http://fraudsters.com/2015/changing-the-bitbet-resolution-process/

20:58:57 ben_vulpes: ;;later tell williamdunne ^^

20:58:57 gribble: The operation succeeded.

20:58:58 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu scoopy is away with williamdunne on vacation

20:59:30 ascii_field: isn't this how gribble was lowered into pederasty ?

21:00:24 thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: moar movie reviews plz

21:00:54 pete_dushenski: lolk

21:01:20 pete_dushenski: i guess i need to watch more because i review at least half the ones i see

21:07:51 mod6: gcc on it's 4th hour of compiling...

21:07:56 pete_dushenski: http://megaprocessor.com/progress.html << one for alf. and, of course, log readers everywhere

21:07:57 assbot: HomePage ... ( http://bit.ly/1HdbWVw )

21:08:20 ascii_field: pete_dushenski: see log, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=22-06-2015#1172298

21:08:20 assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 17:00:58; ascii_field: punkman: cray-I and many other machines of the period were built in precisely that way.

21:08:48 ascii_field: no one will be making 'blocks in <10min' box with discretes.

21:08:52 pete_dushenski: ascii_field in my defense, my link is unique !

21:09:04 ascii_field: afaik

21:09:32 trinque: bleh do I load the feeds plugin on mine again?

21:11:16 pete_dushenski: !up ascii_field

21:16:44 lobbes: !up lobbesbot

21:16:54 lobbes: @rss announce add http://nosuchlabs.com/rss

21:16:56 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Crgd2e )

21:16:56 lobbesbot: lobbes: The operation succeeded.

21:16:56 trinque: lobbes: you gonna scoop the scoops?

21:16:58 trinque: sweet.

21:17:31 lobbes: I could, though before I take that on I gotta learn how to get lobbesbot to !up himself

21:18:13 lobbes: jurov rated him, so he's able. But I'm too dumb to figure out how to view private messages sent to him

21:19:31 trinque: up to you

21:19:37 mircea_popescu: open them like they were a chan ?

21:23:09 lobbes: well, my issue thus far is that I'm running lobbesbot on a aws instance seperate from my edis bouncer instance, so the only way I can currently see privmsgs sent to it are by checking messages.log (however, this only returns up to the first 'space' in the string)

21:24:53 trinque: side note, I don't hate the idea of interacting with something like IRC via simple file IO

21:25:24 trinque: artifexd: gossipd when!

21:25:35 trinque: dunno if there's a futureware I think about more

21:25:45 punkman: trinque: http://tools.suckless.org/ii/

21:25:45 assbot: ii | suckless.org tools ... ( http://bit.ly/1Crh0QM )

21:26:03 trinque: punkman: nice, the kind of thing I'd expect on suckess.org

21:32:30 pete_dushenski: "Walmart (WMT) will reportedly pull items displaying the Confederate flag, according to a report late Monday. CNNMoney cited the world's biggest retailer as saying it "never want(s) to offend anyone with the products that we offer." The move comes after a 21-year old assailant gunned down nine people at a historic African-American church in Charleston, South Carolina."

21:32:53 pete_dushenski: now sales are through the roof for confederate flags.

21:33:03 ascii_field: ;;later tell BingoBoingo http://www.tgi-sci.com/tgi/pntb.htm

21:33:04 assbot: Nukeman ... ( http://bit.ly/1HdiJ1y )

21:33:04 gribble: The operation succeeded.

21:33:07 pete_dushenski: i guess http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=20-06-2015#1169869 isn't that far off

21:33:07 assbot: Logged on 20-06-2015 19:33:05; mircea_popescu: confederate us survive

21:35:55 ascii_field: ;;later tell mats http://siliconexposed.blogspot.com/2014/03/getting-my-feet-wet-with-invasive.html

21:35:56 assbot: Silicon Exposed: Getting my feet wet with invasive attacks, part 1: Target recon ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hdj0lf )

21:35:56 gribble: The operation succeeded.

21:36:06 ascii_field: ^ of interest to all 'xilinx' aficionados

21:36:32 mircea_popescu: in other news, http://www.gamefromscratch.com/

21:36:34 assbot: Game From Scratch | GameDev made easy...ish. Game programming starts here. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hdj4RM )

21:38:33 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: remember 'adventure construction set' and the later msdos 'adventure construction kit' ?

21:38:39 mircea_popescu: aha

21:39:03 ascii_field: http://mozomedia.com/ack/aboutack << apparently ported (sorta) to modern archs

21:39:05 assbot: Adventure Creation Kit » About ACK ... ( http://bit.ly/1HdjmrQ )

21:46:15 mircea_popescu: sorta like the GACK

21:49:19 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

21:49:30 ascii_field: http://siliconpr0n.org/archive/doku.php?id=azonenberg:xilinx:xc2c32a << more re: xc32

21:49:32 assbot: azonenberg:xilinx:xc2c32a [Silicon Pr0n] ... ( http://bit.ly/1HdkxI1 )

21:50:11 *: ascii_field wonders if anybody's tried neutronograph of these things

21:51:42 mod6: no such luck with gcc 4.9.2 -- gcc compiled fine, but ran into the same problem as with 4.8.4: http://dpaste.com/368J5K7.txt

21:51:44 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1HdkR9I )

21:52:27 mod6: might try gcc-5.1.0 next.

21:55:03 mod6: if that doens't work, then truly will have to get everything in sync and shoe-horn our own patch while all the stage3 stuff is up to speed.

21:55:11 mod6: (in sync with what's current)

21:55:31 mod6: any strong objectsions against 5.1.0?

21:56:25 mod6: there is an ebuild for gcc/uclibc/hardened version gcc-3.4.6-r2

21:56:35 mod6: if anyone thinks we should try that first.

21:58:40 mircea_popescu: might work

22:08:04 ben_vulpes: i'm biased against moving forwards in time

22:08:13 ben_vulpes: newer software is just more broken in more exciting ways

22:08:27 trinque: ruuuuust

22:14:52 mod6: ok well... i guess that settles that then, i'll build 3.4.6 next.

22:15:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79000 @ 0.00041586 = 32.8529 BTC [+]

22:26:58 ben_vulpes: oh cool

22:27:30 ben_vulpes: so jasmine-node installed globally across a user's system isn't accessible from /within/ the node environment

22:27:40 ben_vulpes: but if you install it locally, it just quietly fails to run the tests


22:28:58 jurov: that's helluva groupie

22:34:02 mod6: so gcc-3.4.6-r2 will not build with "hardened" set as an option, although uclibc can still be used. we do want "hardened" i would think.

22:34:12 mod6: for PIE

22:37:49 scoopbot_revived: Deficit spending dependencies. http://www.contravex.com/2015/06/23/deficit-spending-dependencies/

22:38:01 mats: asciilifeform: neat

22:38:48 mats: asciilifeform: friend of yours?

22:41:14 pete_dushenski: scoopbot_revived liveth !

22:41:43 mod6: looks like many of the much older < 4.3 ebuilds don't allow for hardened (unless I'm mistaken here). I'm gonna try 4.5.4.

22:42:12 mod6: If this dones't help (i doubt it will), I'll need to make another AMI with a recent stage3 and try to shoehorn in this gcc patch I made.

22:42:12 mircea_popescu: shitpiel lol

22:42:41 mod6: hahah

22:48:10 mod6: ok that build is going... should take ~4 hours.

22:48:31 mod6: i can't even imagine how long it would take on that POS box i bought. probably 16.

22:48:44 mod6: or more

22:49:48 trinque: mod6: once there's a rubber-stamped set of packages, there's a way to create binary packages on gentoo

22:49:53 trinque: and then reuse those elsewhere

22:50:27 trinque: not that others shouldn't rebuild, but rather that there'll at least be a way to quickly stand up a new dev environment later, if ya want it

22:50:35 trinque: dev/test/etc

23:00:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8400 @ 0.00040045 = 3.3638 BTC [-]

23:08:06 mod6: ah ok.

23:18:38 mircea_popescu: ayup

23:18:47 mircea_popescu: o hey wd lobbes

23:21:05 scoopbot_revived: It's not your family holding you back, it's your shepherdlessness. http://www.contravex.com/2015/06/23/its-not-your-family-holding-you-back-its-your-shepherdlessness/

23:32:28 mats: http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/06/23/as-walmart-goes-so-goes-the-nation-or-vice-versa/

23:32:29 assbot: Wal-Mart, American bellwether, and the Confederate flag - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1RuCMd9 )

23:46:00 scoopbot_revived: Carl Mark Force IV to Plead Guilty http://qntra.net/2015/06/carl-mark-force-iv-to-plead-guilty/

23:47:40 pete_dushenski: does anyone ever not sign the papers ?

23:47:48 pete_dushenski: i mean really

23:48:06 williamdunne: Back

23:48:11 williamdunne: Hello all

23:48:28 pete_dushenski: williamdunne given the rebirth of the rebirth of scoopbot, we sorta figured as much ;)

23:48:41 pete_dushenski: welcome home !

23:48:46 williamdunne: Aha

23:48:48 williamdunne: Thanks :)

23:49:00 williamdunne: He now also has NSA's RSS feed

23:49:05 williamdunne: Well, Phuctors

23:50:09 pete_dushenski: neat.

23:59:02 mats: asciilifeform: is there any useful automation for reversing from si?