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00:03:06 mircea_popescu: http://www.slate.com/content/dam/slate/blogs/behold/2014/06/Troy/lawrence_2007.jpg.CROP.original-original.jpg <<< i bet this filename was created on a windows.win.windows.xp.windows system

00:04:15 BingoBoingo: OMG spot the DOgecoiner

00:05:38 BingoBoingo: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BsJWVHlCAAIRvsj.jpg:large

00:06:43 mircea_popescu: http://www.slate.com/content/dam/slate/blogs/behold/2014/06/Troy/Robert%20Stocklas_2013.jpg.CROP.original-original.jpg << check out the punctured oil heater with a jimmy rigged power connection.

00:06:52 mircea_popescu: this guy could be a 2012 bitcoin miner.

00:08:09 BingoBoingo: "I would encourage you to finish before the majority of your committee members retire. (seriously.)" << Roflmao, I know a between one and two hand full of countable fingers of these people.

00:10:47 BingoBoingo: http://www.horseradishfestival.net/ << Event that happens in the shadow of the Catsup Bottle/Dildo water tower

00:10:47 assbot: International Horseradish Festival, Collinsville, IL. First weekend in June

00:12:12 BingoBoingo: Actual contest that happened http://www.collinsvillerec.com/pdffiles/14_IHF_BloodyMaryContestApp.pdf

00:21:03 mircea_popescu: wait. that boy actually is... a girl http://www.upstategirls.org/images/Jodie/jodie_2500px-003.jpg ?!

00:22:06 mircea_popescu: anyway, very merkley??? looking shit, except minus either the talent or the interest

00:22:10 mircea_popescu: ( the real deal http://www.threequestionmarks.com/blog/blog.html )

00:22:12 assbot: merkley???: I May Not Be God, But at Least I'm Real.

00:26:08 BingoBoingo: roflcopter

00:39:25 bitstein: Ethereum has raised nearly $800k in about 2 hours: https://blockchain.info/address/36PrZ1KHYMpqSyAQXSG8VwbUiq2EogxLo2

00:39:25 assbot: Bitcoin Address 36PrZ1KHYMpqSyAQXSG8VwbUiq2EogxLo2

00:40:13 mircea_popescu: lol so people bought >1k btc worth of ethereum at 2k each btc , instead of buying 1k btc worth of ethereum at 5k each btc ?

00:40:18 mircea_popescu: does this sound credible to you in any sense ?

00:41:32 bitstein: Well I'm amazed by any purchase of Ethereum, so...

00:43:10 mircea_popescu: why do all the supposed payments end in .9997 ?

00:43:51 mircea_popescu: o wait, they're all sent off the same software which simply substracts the same mining fee from the txn ?

00:43:59 mircea_popescu: funny how that'd be the case.

00:44:29 BingoBoingo: Wait, there's a wallet thing that does that?

00:44:49 mike_c: isn't ethereum a wallet or something?

00:45:28 BingoBoingo: mike_c: Well, so far it is a nothing

00:45:35 mike_c: also, it's possible they didn't know about the better offer yet.

00:45:48 BingoBoingo: Then it will pretend to be a something before becoming a nothing again

00:46:12 mike_c: da fuck am i thinking of? mycelium, etherwhoizt. what the fuck is that node-less wallet thingy?

00:47:07 mike_c: jurov is a big fan. unless i dreamt all this.

00:47:17 BingoBoingo: mike_c: Electrum?

00:47:29 mike_c: yes

00:47:32 mike_c: these names.

00:47:49 mircea_popescu: mike_c right, because nobody with any btc reads the logs, or reddit, or twitter.

00:48:34 BingoBoingo: Ah. Electrum wallet (split into online and offline components like armory) plus one's own electrum server actually doesn't seem like a bad wallet solution atm

00:48:38 mike_c: well, are you proposing that there is no longer significant # of btc in the hands of idiots?

00:48:58 mike_c: i didn't think we were there yet.

00:50:14 mike_c: BingoBoingo: yeah, it didn't seem completely retarded. i had attached some of that feeling to this ethereum thingy. didn't realize it was just a complete nothing.

00:50:52 BingoBoingo: mike_c: Yeah, a big problem in this space is still sound/look a like names.

00:59:02 BingoBoingo: http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--kn6VXOVa--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/zo17x0u9io1fppluzmmk.jpg

01:10:45 mircea_popescu: mike_c in this case, the only significant amount of btc is in the hands of the idiots trying to fraudulently prop an ipo scam visible from the moon, in some sort of misplaced delusion of legal immunity.

01:15:55 benkay: mircea_popescu: d'you recall what gmaxwell's all butthurt about?

01:16:05 BingoBoingo: Well, it was just last week the link dropped here of an aspiring HYIP scammer who lost a whole BTC to malware he though would let him cheat a pasted together gambling site.

01:16:16 BingoBoingo: benkay: Porn. gmaxwell hates pr0ns

01:16:20 mircea_popescu: getting publicly humiliated ? the usaul thing.

01:16:31 benkay: just wondering what fine print he failed to read.

01:16:38 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo a whole btc. not a succession of 5.997 2.997 etc etc.

01:16:39 benkay: having failed to read my fair share of fine print in the past.

01:17:16 mircea_popescu: benkay o, i don't imagine his recent derpage has any substance to it, merely him trying his best at crafting effectual calumny.

01:17:38 mircea_popescu: otherwise, the dispute is preserved here : http://fraudsters.com/2013/the-froth-of-our-days/

01:17:39 assbot: The froth of our days pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

01:17:44 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, this whole ether huffing thing smells just like the mastercoin "sell coin now" and then "release anything eventually"

01:18:03 mircea_popescu: obviously the fact that time has meanwhile proven my points doesn't in any sense help.

01:19:30 BingoBoingo: ;;rate gmaxwell -1 Likely UnSavoryGarnish, Plant

01:19:31 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of -1 for user gmaxwell has been recorded.

01:19:36 BingoBoingo: What was Hearn's nick?

01:19:54 mircea_popescu: but anyway, this isn't in any sense a dispute pitting flaming social justice warriors and other braindamaged kids trying to make the world "liberal" a la copumpkin against cold hard reality.

01:20:04 copumpkin: lol

01:20:19 mircea_popescu: this is a dispute where a consumate gofer (ie, gmaxwell) is trying to veer their naivity into some sort of political relevance for himself, gets called out and then stomped out.

01:20:22 benkay: BingoBoingo: is this ether coin a btc fork or...

01:20:32 mircea_popescu: much like the life of andreas derpopowhatever, except two years earlier

01:20:37 BingoBoingo: benkay: Pre-sold instead of pre-mined

01:20:53 benkay: BingoBoingo: still no software then i gather

01:20:54 mircea_popescu: which shouldn't be surprising : anyone can be a very ambitious failed painter or w/e mediocrity.

01:21:23 BingoBoingo: benkay: Not that they've released. Apparently the presale ether goes in their genesis block

01:22:00 bitstein: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6llaZefJDc

01:22:00 assbot: The Producers -- Hitler...there was a painter - YouTube

01:22:10 mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> What was Hearn's nick? << i don't recall he ever managing to figure out the gpg arcana. i imagine he'll first have to implement a google code version, that doesn't work.

01:22:58 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Ah, I though I'd give him the "UnsavoryGarnish, Vegetable" ninjashogun and gmaxwell earned

01:23:14 BingoBoingo: But if he didn't submit himself to civilization

01:23:17 BingoBoingo: ...

01:24:20 BingoBoingo: I guess that people will have to read other places that he is suspected of being the lead USG plant

01:24:41 mircea_popescu: not the sort of thing that really needs to be read by too many people anyway.

01:25:09 mircea_popescu: benkay well so far it's really an urbit fork.

01:25:25 mircea_popescu: it's going to do great things in novel ways just as soon as someone does it.

01:26:02 mircea_popescu: copumpkin lol, lol, but how about you go count female heads in otc and here ? just for lulz.

01:26:37 copumpkin: busy eating some hand grasp bread I just made

01:27:26 mircea_popescu: i never had that thing. what the hell is it

01:27:39 benkay: <mircea_popescu> benkay well so far it's really an urbit fork. // vaporware fork XD

01:27:46 nubbins`: what's hand grasp bread

01:28:06 benkay: at least urbit had code in the wild, has ether achieved that yet?

01:28:16 copumpkin: fluffy chinese bread: http://www.beifangmeishi.com/file/upload/201306/25/16-43-04-45-36.jpg

01:28:19 copumpkin: dlicious

01:28:22 copumpkin: om nom nom

01:28:30 nubbins`: oh yum

01:28:35 nubbins`: is that wheat-based?

01:28:39 benkay: nubbins`: hit the lawyer turn off the gym, facebook up?

01:28:52 copumpkin: mine isnt as beautiful as that one

01:28:56 copumpkin: yeah wheat

01:29:05 nubbins`: benkay i know all the verbs you just used

01:29:16 mircea_popescu: look slike an exploded strudel.

01:29:34 mircea_popescu: benkay well it's a spoonlet then , not quite a fork

01:29:48 nubbins`: i'm trying to see if i can make a business case for buying one of these cd duplication machines

01:29:50 benkay: the spoon is a lie

01:29:53 nubbins`: with the little robot arms

01:31:25 BingoBoingo: Fuck it, Imma walk over to the county fair and grab some chikin livers to go with this vodka

01:31:47 BingoBoingo: (reconstituted vodka)

01:31:53 copumpkin: nubbins`: wtf is a cd

01:31:58 nubbins`: i know right

01:32:06 nubbins`: that's in the "cons" list

01:32:29 nubbins`: but they're fuckin cheap. like under 3btc

01:32:30 copumpkin: hell, I can't even remember the last time I handled physical media

01:32:45 dub: http://www.chinesefoodsblog.com/node/125

01:32:47 assbot: Chopped green onion hand grasp bread | Chinesefood

01:32:48 copumpkin: that's cause nobody else wants them either

01:32:52 nubbins`: reason i'm wondering is we got a job producing cd jackets etc for a band, and we're printing on the discs

01:32:56 copumpkin: dub: yup

01:32:57 dub: complete wiht engrish++

01:33:08 nubbins`: started humming about actually duplicating them too

01:33:08 dub: this is my new favorite blog

01:33:10 benkay: <bitstein> Somewhat related, I'm working on an article about how merchants are just scammers trying to swindle you out of your bitcoins. // i'm starting to like you

01:33:10 copumpkin: delicious

01:33:24 copumpkin: so much good chinese food never leaves china

01:33:39 copumpkin: it's a pity people only eat general tsao and such

01:34:23 dub: duck you

01:34:27 dub: um

01:34:30 dub: fuck you

01:34:32 mircea_popescu: nubbins` lawyer is a noun. get it ? A NOUN. you don't want it to sue you.,

01:34:32 copumpkin: :(

01:34:33 mircea_popescu: how much do they cost ?

01:34:34 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo grab a chick'n while at it.

01:34:35 mircea_popescu: !up Ginux

01:34:36 mircea_popescu: !up gilgameshugga

01:34:37 mircea_popescu: ok, how many cds did you burn last year ?

01:34:47 midnightmagic: you just have to know a chinese person. I got some great stuff smuggled out. :-D

01:34:52 dub: i want chinee food now

01:35:05 copumpkin: chinese lamb sticks are the best

01:35:12 copumpkin: ma po doufu

01:35:13 copumpkin: mm

01:35:35 copumpkin: in fact, anything with szechuan peppercorns

01:35:44 dub: theres a place up the road that does that bread and og dumplings

01:35:45 mircea_popescu: i never got into chinese. sushi i like, indian lamb i like, but chinese... hm. what's it even for.

01:35:46 copumpkin: amazing ingredient

01:35:46 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

01:35:55 midnightmagic: tingly numby-ness.

01:35:55 copumpkin: >_>

01:35:57 dub: but im too hungover to drive

01:35:57 copumpkin: mmm

01:35:59 midnightmagic: nom nom nom

01:36:04 copumpkin: yup

01:36:17 dub: yeah numbing heat

01:36:20 dub: good shit

01:36:24 mircea_popescu: ironically, the sechuan pepper i actually like

01:36:30 mircea_popescu: usually put it on... pfeffersteak

01:36:56 copumpkin: that's cause it's an amazing ingredient

01:36:56 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

01:36:58 copumpkin: <_<

01:37:06 mircea_popescu: yeah, proly the best pepper.

01:37:11 mircea_popescu: either that or green

01:37:36 midnightmagic: there are some weird salts that are hand-mined and prepared in china too. They highlight one in a show called "Taste of China".

01:37:37 dub: goddamit

01:37:38 copumpkin: yup

01:37:45 midnightmagic: *amazing* weird flavours.

01:37:45 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

01:37:51 midnightmagic: lol

01:37:51 copumpkin: lol

01:37:57 dub: im gonna have to man up and put some pants on

01:38:04 copumpkin: AMAZING COMPANY!

01:38:07 copumpkin: hmm

01:38:12 mircea_popescu: midnightmagic it's not "salt scraped off forced labouring prisoners sweat" or something is it

01:38:14 copumpkin: aMazing pepper

01:38:35 dub: mircea_popescu: just the balls

01:38:46 mircea_popescu: chinese men have balls ?!

01:38:54 midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: lol no, but its extraction is hugely labour-intensive.. same as lots of things in our world that have disappeared because nobody's willing or able to go to the effort anymore

01:39:00 dub: hey now, no need for racis

01:39:15 mircea_popescu: dub is racis the enemy of ratrans ?

01:39:47 mircea_popescu: midnightmagic but i mean... salt is salt, right ? it forms deposits, acertain way. why labour intensive ?

01:40:49 midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: pure salt is. The impurities give it the weird extra flavours. I mean some I'm not cool with. There's this weird black salt that has a lot of sulphur in it.

01:41:09 mircea_popescu: sulphur is supposedly good for you, somehow.

01:41:20 mircea_popescu: they even market all these miracle-curing sulphurous mineral waters.

01:41:29 BingoBoingo: I'm back, mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo grab a chick'n while at it. << How does that saying go... "Don't shit where you eat"

01:42:08 dub: Put to wok,add a spoon oil,cook until two side become yellow.OK!

01:42:33 mircea_popescu: dub is that wok or work ?

01:42:38 dub: if yan can cook then so can you

01:43:02 midnightmagic: my mistake the show is called "A Bite Of China" but damned if I can find the episode now :)

01:43:34 mircea_popescu: honestly, i'd be kinda loath to take bites out of china.

01:43:35 kakobrekla: <mircea_popescu> they even market all these miracle-curing sulphurous mineral waters. < been to such place, saturnia in italy.

01:43:37 mircea_popescu: kinda big.

01:43:54 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla there's one in romania and i think somewhere in serbia ? or maybe it was albania

01:44:02 midnightmagic: There's a spot near me where the hotsprngs have naturally-occurring lithium in them.

01:44:30 midnightmagic: it's horrible literally being unable to move faster than a walk after sitting in those waters too long

01:44:51 mircea_popescu: wow

01:44:58 dub: is that good for you?

01:45:16 midnightmagic: i didn't know until afterwards that the water was contaminated. they sell it as a health spa.

01:45:29 midnightmagic: "what the fuck is wrong with me" *sluggish zombie-movement*

01:45:29 mircea_popescu: "experience being old for a day!"

01:45:35 kakobrekla: Mataruška Banja? Havent been but need to check it out sometime.

01:45:36 midnightmagic: yah

01:45:42 dub: they give lithium in cases of extreme psychosis

01:46:20 BingoBoingo: dub: Not just then, low dose lithium can work well for a person when their brain is just running a little hot.

01:46:27 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla ya sound about right

01:48:22 BingoBoingo: dub> they give lithium in cases of extreme psychosis << Also they don't really give lithium much for psychosis anymore which is a shame considering how well it works...

01:50:28 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo stop opposing research and job creating funding in research and SCIENCE and global warming.

01:50:52 mircea_popescu: we're trying to build a great future here and you gotta throw simple element wrenches into the windows

01:51:57 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo stop opposing research and job creating funding in research and SCIENCE and global warming. << I'm fighting marketing. Just because pharma doesn't want to compete with Tesla's 1337 battery factory doesn't mean that there are better uses for those salts than motor carriages and iBortions.

01:52:47 mircea_popescu: psychoactive lithium is not complex enough. progress is complexity, to oppose complexification is to be antisocial and terrorist.

01:52:59 *: BingoBoingo finds it interesting that in a few years on patent Atypical Antipsychotics will dry up, and the next pivot isn't apparent on the horizon yet.

01:53:28 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo seeing how well the current stuff works, they can just patent borax glass and give that to people.

01:54:00 BingoBoingo: Come on, there's nothing more complex than the cascade of mystery meat that happens when lithium displaces sodium in the gap and raises action potential

01:54:32 mircea_popescu: but that's complexity in the wrong place.

01:55:20 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, The Last Psychiatrist had all of those wonderfully illustrative Seroquel articles about complexity in the right places, but... Tis off pattent nao

01:57:06 BingoBoingo: TLP's rum fountain analogy in those articles is probably the best popular science writing this century so far.

01:57:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22600 @ 0.00081519 = 18.4233 BTC [+] {3}

01:58:20 nubbins`: nice middle-of-the-line cd duplicator is maybe $1500

01:58:33 nubbins`: realistically could charge about 50 cents for the duplication of one cd

01:58:53 nubbins`: which means 3k cds duplicated before i can stop worrying about breaking the thing

01:59:16 mircea_popescu: nubbins` you never answered as to how many you made

01:59:27 nubbins`: for customers? zero

01:59:40 BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Look used on Ebay already.

02:00:09 nubbins`: just happened to be making some cd cases for a band and they wanted discs printed, idly wondering if we'd want to duplicate em too

02:00:19 nubbins`: probably not

02:00:26 mircea_popescu: nubbins` ok, how many do you figure you'll make and on what basis do you so figure ?

02:00:29 kakobrekla: tell em if he orders 3k.

02:00:54 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla's idea goes a long way towards that. "3k, cause they're prepaid"

02:01:20 nubbins`: it's hard to say because a lot of bands are doing vinyl or download cards these days instead of cds. ballpark guess, might get 1000 cds duped over the next year

02:01:40 mike_c: and exponential decrease every year after

02:01:46 mike_c: it's like a miner!

02:01:50 nubbins`: well, there's that too

02:02:04 kakobrekla: at this point - might be more $ to be in the floppy biz.

02:02:10 nubbins`: you can also get dupe towers, with one master drive and say 5 burners

02:02:13 nubbins`: they're only around $700

02:02:28 mircea_popescu: horrible business purchase, moving on.

02:02:31 nubbins`: not quite as hands-off tho

02:02:35 nubbins`: lel, agreed

02:02:46 mircea_popescu: nubbins` , hey, it's what you originally asked.

02:02:48 nubbins`: this is a silkscreen printing studio, not a cd dupe centre

02:03:06 nubbins`: just looking for a fresh perspective, glad to see we're all in agreement 8)

02:03:19 BingoBoingo: nubbins`: How many Cd's do they need duped?

02:03:36 nubbins`: this particular job, only 200

02:04:16 nubbins`: i'd say at this point, more stuff is being released on cassette here than cd

02:04:28 mircea_popescu: nubbins` this is like, groupthink. no fresh perspectives allowed here.

02:04:35 nubbins`: heh

02:04:47 mircea_popescu: nubbins` but srsly, if you can get a vynil press you can sell to all the hippies

02:04:58 nubbins`: mp, that's its own craft

02:04:59 kakobrekla: that shit costs serial monies.

02:05:23 nubbins`: almost every vinyl pressing house in canada outsources to this one factory in czech

02:05:36 mike_c: really? shipping is worth it?

02:05:40 *: nubbins` nods

02:05:50 mircea_popescu: mike_c easy to fuck up

02:05:51 nubbins`: they do direct-to-metal digital masters with this crazy machine

02:06:01 nubbins`: supposed to be a one-of-a-kind setup

02:06:10 mircea_popescu: it probably is.

02:06:11 nubbins`: name an a-list band, their vinyl is pressed there

02:06:21 mike_c: interesting.

02:06:23 mircea_popescu: the last existing top hat factory was destroyed in a family dispute coupla decades ago

02:06:29 nubbins`: jeez

02:06:31 mircea_popescu: most of the good old shit is one of a kind setups

02:06:40 BingoBoingo: Nubbins 2k cd minimum order I could set up cd production with artisinal hand labeling ~ 8.7 BTC and handle the remaining on a print on demand basis. 6 week turn around for the first batch.

02:07:06 nubbins`: BingoBoingo i don't think many bands here would be into a 2k minimum ;(

02:07:12 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo there exist no indie bands which can afford a 10 btc expenditure on life saving surgery

02:07:15 mircea_popescu: let alone cds

02:07:40 nubbins`: mircea_popescu you forget, this is canada

02:07:44 nubbins`: sweet sweet grant money

02:07:57 mircea_popescu: nubbins` anyway, the only way to do this is, make the whole studio, force-sign the bands, work them like slaves.

02:08:06 mircea_popescu: not VERY profitable, but a lot of fun.

02:08:13 nubbins`: heh

02:08:18 nubbins`: maybe i'll just stick to printing

02:08:20 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well I figured I'd throw a quote out there just in case some "band" has parents with more coin than sense

02:08:41 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo those kids go for mbas, new cars and bumps off teenage asscracks.

02:08:45 nubbins`: one of our regular customers was awarded a $10k grant last year to record an album

02:08:51 mircea_popescu: not shitty "music"

02:09:09 mircea_popescu: nubbins` wow socialist utopia. was the album actually made ?

02:09:19 nubbins`: mircea_popescu: yeah, i've got a copy somewhere

02:09:20 mircea_popescu: or did it work pretty much like kickstarter

02:09:32 nubbins`: it was their third album, first one paid for by someone else

02:09:39 BingoBoingo: nubbins`: The 2k minimum is to avoid the situation where they buy exactly the number of cd's they have friends to pester and need pod cd's twice a month for a decade.

02:10:23 nubbins`: that's the thing about grants, you get blacklisted if you don't produce (a) your work and (b) your receipts

02:10:37 nubbins`: and nobody wants to get blacklisted, 'cause ain't nobody but the government giving out free money

02:10:48 mike_c: "free"

02:11:01 nubbins`: hey, free enough

02:11:05 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I've had classmates with "farm money" talk their parents into covering their Film School, Mary Jane prescription, and subsequent X-mas DUI's. Weirder things happen in fiat land.

02:11:09 mike_c: not so free for the people they took it from

02:11:37 nubbins`: mike_c, our benevolent overlords see it fit that we should be entertained with fresh music

02:11:48 nubbins`: and so we gladly oblige, purse in hand

02:11:52 mircea_popescu: mike_c stop opposing progress and an end to oppression.

02:12:01 mike_c: hey, it's better than how our gov't spends its money..

02:12:32 nubbins`: i mean, really, it's not the band that gets the $10k

02:12:39 mircea_popescu: im not sure if shitty contemporary bands should be given 10k in grants to derp quietly in a corner at their craft or just be medicated worth 10k for possesion.

02:12:47 mircea_popescu: so far neither strat seems to work any

02:13:07 mircea_popescu: canada hasn't had a good musician since cohen visited and the us...

02:13:07 nubbins`: it's everyone they hire to do shit for them that they used to have to do themselves

02:13:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 419 @ 0.0014122 = 0.5917 BTC [-] {6}

02:13:15 nubbins`: wat

02:13:49 mircea_popescu: nubbins` too lazy to list the us problemz.

02:14:20 mike_c: wait, was that a meta-insult?

02:14:32 justusranvier: mircea_popescu: What happens if by next March 15th, the Ethereum network isn't sufficiently functional for you to be able to deliver Ethers to the people who take you up on your offer?

02:14:47 mike_c: "i'm too drunk to list irish problems"

02:15:33 mircea_popescu: justusranvier amusingly, in that case the contract'd be void.

02:15:52 mircea_popescu: but anyway, it'd be an explicit clause limiting such cases, obv.

02:19:34 mircea_popescu: in any case, one generally buys a future if they expect the thing to work well, not to fail.

02:19:56 mircea_popescu: if you buy a future and the thing fails there's many ways to put it, but they all boil down to "you're screwed".

02:21:18 justusranvier: They might have value as collector's items 30 years from now.

02:21:54 *: dub haz chinese food

02:22:55 mircea_popescu: all sorts of mights, obviously.

02:23:20 mircea_popescu: the aliens might land five minutes later and declare that anyone can have super hot alien blowjobs for a eth each

02:23:41 assbot: Last 7 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1D585YD.txt )

02:23:41 BingoBoingo: !b 7

02:24:01 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: But then the aliens burn in hell for coming from the wrong earth

02:24:03 justusranvier: "Vintage Ether units. Mint condition - never used."

02:25:00 mircea_popescu: i happen to be party to the first and oldest actually executed short, incidentally. you ever saw it ?

02:25:08 BingoBoingo: I wonder if ethereum ethers will suffer from the problem classical ether does where explosive peroxide crystals form.

02:38:57 BingoBoingo: Also, fuck tractor pulls

02:39:49 mircea_popescu: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3586/3471532818_a05495e39d_o.jpg decent tits on those legs.

02:40:15 mthreat: anti-gravity

02:41:46 mircea_popescu: they do wonderful things with plastics now

02:42:05 mthreat: did someone already post this here? http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2bg93d/heres_why_i_love_bitcoin_very_nsfw_version/

02:42:05 assbot: Here's Why I Love Bitcoin! [Very NSFW Version] ;) : Bitcoin

02:42:11 mthreat: appears to be from sexy saffron

02:42:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 700 @ 0.00274866 = 1.9241 BTC [+]

02:43:19 mircea_popescu: five holes, asciilifeform

02:43:21 mircea_popescu: or was it six.

02:43:33 asciilifeform: damn what'd i miss.

02:44:17 *: asciilifeform got back from buying a new, somewhat more gastight exhaust stack for laser - which now has its own 'outhouse.'

02:44:32 *: asciilifeform now back to actual work

02:47:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 150 @ 0.00697642 = 1.0465 BTC [+] {5}

02:50:38 decimation: asciilifeform were you tired of breathing laser-combustion byproducts?

02:50:48 asciilifeform: decimation: aye

02:52:14 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: lithium pharma << as i recall, the therapeutic envelope is so narrow as to be practically absent - e.g. slow poison

02:53:24 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Therapeutic envelope is indeed very narrow. 0.4 to 1.2, toxic depending on the patient starts at 0.8 to 1.4

02:53:57 decimation: asciilifeform if you aren't making stencils with laser cutter, what are you making? custom circuit-board etchings?

02:54:05 BingoBoingo: But, on the plus side interactions with other drugs are minimal

02:54:28 asciilifeform: decimation: mechanicals for paste laydown apparatus.

02:54:52 decimation: neato, robots building robots

02:55:59 decimation: I wouldn't mind building something like this one day: http://www.vtwilson.net/telescope.html (complete with russian military satellite observatory)

02:58:15 BingoBoingo: Seriously though, calling these things competing in the tractor pull "tractors" is an insult to the idea of useful machinery.

02:58:58 asciilifeform: ;;buy 1 "Auger valve for high-viscosity fluid dispenser, any manufacturer." at 1 BTC

02:58:59 gribble: Order id 21143 created.

02:59:03 decimation: lithium & warfarin are famous for narrow theraputic index

03:00:27 BingoBoingo: decimation: Warfarin is a bit different. Warfarin has an antidote.

03:03:46 mircea_popescu: btw, since i've been reading my old romanian bitcoin articles, landed on some gems. anyone remembers vladimir's asic ?

03:03:47 mircea_popescu: https://bitcointa.lk/threads/ann-a-public-company-will-build-a-huge-bitcoin-mining-operation-asic.49333/page-15

03:03:47 assbot: [ANN] A public company will build a huge Bitcoin Mining Operation (ASIC). | Page 15 | Bitcointa.lk

03:04:14 decimation: asciilifeform don't you need to refigerate solder paste?

03:04:19 decimation: refridgerate

03:04:31 asciilifeform: decimation: yes. or, alternatively, use it up quickly.

03:04:40 asciilifeform: it doesn't keep.

03:04:54 decimation: I guess if you do a batch at a time you use it up

03:05:10 asciilifeform: even refrigerated, the balls settle.

03:05:45 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: OMG comments http://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/2bfwaw/mircea_popescu_offers_a_short_of_etherium_coins/

03:05:46 assbot: Mircea Popescu offers a short of Etherium coins up to 1 KiloBTC's worth at 5000 per BTC deliverable in 2015 : CryptoCurrency

03:05:53 mircea_popescu: "If this ASIC mambo jumbo goes forward then I think BTC is as "good" as PayPal or the Bank of England." (forum communitard, 2012).

03:06:10 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i saw some on tat's link too

03:06:48 decimation: http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Hot-sale-Auto-Glue-Dispenser-Solder-Paste-Liquid-Controller-Dropper-YDL-983A-Dispensing-system/757892187.html

03:06:49 assbot: 220V Auto Glue Dispenser Solder Paste Liquid Controller Dropper YDL 983A Dispensing system-in Other Machinery from Industry & Business on Aliexpress.com

03:07:02 decimation: why not air dispenser?

03:07:07 asciilifeform: decimation: i own almost exactly that one

03:07:11 asciilifeform: they're crap, fundamentally

03:07:12 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Yeah

03:08:01 decimation: too much variance in the dispensed amount?

03:08:05 asciilifeform: decimation: two reasons: air is a terrible working fluid (compressible!) making for very poor repeatability;

03:08:20 asciilifeform: decimation: likewise, major problem with 'drool' (actual term of art!)

03:08:32 decimation: yeah, plus when it runs out it will spatter I suspect

03:08:39 asciilifeform: decimation: that is, apparatus continues to shit after pressure is relieved

03:09:04 decimation: yeah you almost want to push it out with water or something, except that would dilute the flux

03:09:20 asciilifeform: air-fart syringe apparatus works for what it was built for - chinese slave gurlz dispensing glue.

03:09:58 decimation: generally in that application you don't care about drool or spillage

03:10:06 asciilifeform: state of the art, it turns out, is 'auger valve' - think: small archimedes screw.

03:10:33 decimation: x turns of screw gives repeatable amount?

03:10:38 asciilifeform: turned with a stepper motor.

03:10:41 asciilifeform: correct.

03:11:18 decimation: plus no drool because it acts as a valve

03:11:25 decimation: interesting.

03:11:26 asciilifeform: aye.

03:12:23 BingoBoingo: http://www.theonion.com/articles/mans-anxiety-not-about-to-let-depression-muscle-in,36504/

03:12:23 assbot: Mans Anxiety Not About To Let Depression Muscle In On Turf | The Onion - America's Finest News Source

03:12:36 decimation: you would need a tiny auger screw though?

03:13:07 asciilifeform: yes. and the cavity it turns in can have no more than a very small gap between the auger and walls.

03:13:31 decimation: http://www.evilmadscientist.com/2013/solder-paste/

03:13:34 assbot: Basics: Up Close and Personal with Solder Paste | Evil Mad Scientist Laboratories

03:13:36 asciilifeform: these normally cost their weight in diamonds new.

03:13:45 decimation: "This is ?type 3? solder, which allows solder balls of up to 45 ?m in size, where 99% of those particles are below 38 ?m. "

03:13:53 decimation: that's a pretty small gap to close off

03:14:09 decimation: 45 micrometer ball size

03:15:22 BingoBoingo: County fair week has to be the worst week, why does a sled need 8 gallons of engine displacement to pull another sled full of weights?

03:16:20 asciilifeform: decimation: i use only Sn/Bi alloy, 138C. as described on mircea_popescu's site.

03:16:49 asciilifeform: 25-45 micron ball variance.

03:17:58 asciilifeform: it is reasonably inexpensive and reflows beautifully on an electric hob.

03:18:55 kakobrekla: its basically a tiny meat grinder.

03:19:01 asciilifeform: kakobrekla has it.

03:20:19 *: asciilifeform now wonders if said paste conducts well enough to be propelled in 'MHD' pump.

03:21:45 dub: my wood pellet burner ingests its food with an auger

03:22:24 asciilifeform: dub: cutting edge ancient greek tech.

03:23:05 asciilifeform: http://physics.kenyon.edu/EarlyApparatus/Fluids/Archimedes_Screw/Archimedes_Screw.html

03:23:08 assbot: Archimede's Screw

03:23:32 asciilifeform: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archimedes'_screw#mediaviewer/File:Archimedes-screw_one-screw-threads_with-ball_3D-view_animated_small.gif

03:23:33 assbot: Archimedes' screw - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

03:23:41 dub: its a bit buggy with the pellets, thinks its jammed and refuses to start around half the time

03:23:42 asciilifeform: (for victims of american school)

03:24:29 dub: smart way to isolate fuel store from the hot bit

03:25:25 mircea_popescu: dub how large are the pellets ?

03:26:00 dub: 5 by 10mm cylinders

03:28:40 mircea_popescu: prolly needs a tune-upo, the screw

03:29:27 dub: yeah, dust caked around the sensor oslt

03:30:43 dub: theres an appendage on the front of it that runs through middle of the screw which you pull out and wiggle to get it going again

03:32:15 dub: it would be a problem if I used the automation bits but its not annoying enough to start pulling it apart

03:34:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22327 @ 0.00081115 = 18.1105 BTC [-] {4}

03:35:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1300 @ 0.00080893 = 1.0516 BTC [-]

03:42:19 BingoBoingo: !up shesek

03:42:36 shesek: hey BingoBoingo

03:42:47 BingoBoingo: hello shesek

03:42:53 shesek: I actually have no idea what this channel is for - I saw it mentioned on Reddit and joined in

03:42:57 shesek: the website doesn't really say much, either

03:44:51 BingoBoingo: shesek: Well, this channel is kind of like the pipefitter's lounge, but for serious bitcoiners instead of pipefitters.

03:45:16 BingoBoingo: Not necessarily serious in general mind you. Just serious in Bitcoin.

03:47:14 Pierre_Rochard: shesek: a good introduction is here http://theumlaut.com/2014/06/10/bitcoin-is-great-but-it-wont-fix-our-monkey-brains/

03:47:14 assbot: Bitcoin Is Great, But It Won’t Fix Our Monkey Brains | The mlaut

03:47:50 BingoBoingo: Azelphur: It looks like you've worked quite a bit on Electrum. Familiar at all with documentation for the server component?

03:57:51 *: asciilifeform discovered an interesting, (though probably not new) scam.

03:57:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32400 @ 0.00080277 = 26.0097 BTC [-] {4}

03:58:03 Rassah: I think "our monkey brains" are largely influenced by societal norms, and bitcoin will "hack" some of those norms just as other technologies and science discoveries have...

03:58:35 asciilifeform: one can buy 'sim cards' intended for industrial applications - alarms, sensors, etc. where you feed it once a quarter, and the balance is spent when making/receiving calls or sms

03:58:58 asciilifeform: i have one such. and now i know how the vendor scams

03:59:04 asciilifeform: the device receives sms spam.

03:59:15 asciilifeform: despite the number never seeing the light of day anywhere

03:59:24 asciilifeform: could be 'wardialer,' of course.

03:59:32 asciilifeform: or - their actual business model.

04:00:05 BingoBoingo: Rassah: Actual brain hacking is much harder than it first sppears

04:04:16 asciilifeform: interesting how business model where strangers can reach in and take money from your pocket can carry on.

04:05:25 asciilifeform: (how? captive audience. who wants to pay a fat monthly fee for a remote sensor? so you're stuck with these.)

04:06:02 BingoBoingo: At least with the prepaid model if the carrier pisses you of, the shredder is a viable solution to device difficulties

04:06:12 nubbins`: so in the wedding planning world, a "save the date" card is a thing

04:06:15 dub: was wondering wtf you are on about until I noticed you said you pay to recieve traffic (wtf?)

04:06:15 kakobrekla: you pay for incoming sms ?

04:06:19 nubbins`: it's like an invitation, but subtly different

04:06:23 dub: never seen that one

04:06:24 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: but where do you flee? they're all identical.

04:06:27 nubbins`: it's sort of like a pre-announcement

04:06:39 nubbins`: to use a btc analogy

04:06:45 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Not for the privacy part, for the billing tyranny

04:06:58 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: in usa, afaik all prepaid 'sim' vendors charge for both directions

04:07:12 dub: thats fucked

04:07:28 kakobrekla: retarded is what it is.

04:07:50 BingoBoingo: They do indeed charge both ways, but it is still at least half the price of actual service.

04:08:14 BingoBoingo: Often cheaper than [Insert President] Phone plans

04:08:19 dub: it'd be cheaper for me to buy a burner with sim included than just sim

04:08:24 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: less than 1/10 the price of the cheapest 'actual' service. but, given that spammers exist, the cost is non-deterministic

04:08:29 asciilifeform: which is annoying in the extreme.

04:08:50 dub: still only $20-30 with some credit included

04:10:01 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'm starting to get curious. Do you really get that many SMS spammers?

04:10:26 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: enough to be annoyed

04:10:31 kakobrekla: ascii your service provder is selling out to spammers ? tried switching to another ?

04:10:46 asciilifeform: my new hypothesis is that all cellular carriers that market to 'almost never uses account' folks make their dough on spam.

04:11:11 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: tried a number of carriers for this application. noticed this pattern.

04:11:29 dub: now that I think about it, I once bought an LTE modem with sim and $50 credit for $50

04:11:29 BingoBoingo: Last SMS spam I got was 3 phone numbers ago

04:11:45 asciilifeform: dub: what's it cost per year?

04:11:54 dub: nothing, no contract

04:12:10 asciilifeform: dub: no, per year of actually being reachable

04:13:33 dub: uh its 3Gb for $50

04:13:41 asciilifeform: dub: we're talking about an unattended telemetry gizmo

04:14:03 dub: right, it wouldnt cost

04:14:21 asciilifeform: dub: vendor?

04:14:49 dub: dubistani specific one

04:15:11 asciilifeform: dub: every carrier i know of save the ones described above deduct $positive_integer per $time_period

04:16:02 dub: theres a sim in mrs dubs ipad that hasnt had credit on it since.. whenever ipad2 dropped 3+ years? still registers on the network fine

04:16:58 asciilifeform: dub: is this a formal arrangement, or a fortuitous accident? (e.g. 'comcast' once gave me ~2 years of service gratis. by virtue of sheer ineptness.)

04:17:44 dub: its standard product

04:17:55 asciilifeform: device-locked?

04:18:07 dub: no, its a burner sim

04:18:26 kakobrekla: from the ghetto streets.

04:18:38 asciilifeform: if anyone knows of equivalent in usa, speak up.

04:18:52 kakobrekla: isnt dub in usa?

04:19:03 dub: lolno

04:19:11 kakobrekla: a ok

04:19:32 dub: im banned from usa in fact :)

04:19:42 dub: not that I would want to go back

04:19:43 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: If you want pure cell phone and SMS service Carlos Slim's Tracphone is the cheapest option

04:20:07 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: they sell non-devicelocked sim ?

04:20:12 BingoBoingo: Next cheapest and my current option is AT&T go phone

04:20:22 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Their sims are very device locked

04:20:34 kuzetsa: huh

04:20:40 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: and both carriers you mentioned charge $posint / mo.

04:20:44 kakobrekla: dub yurop?

04:20:48 kuzetsa: I guess assbot shares the same database as gribble, neat

04:21:00 asciilifeform: we're talking about a gadget that powers up and sends a single 'sms' every blue moon.

04:21:00 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: But device cost is low and every similar device must be treated as a turd anyways

04:21:31 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: For asciilifeform> we're talking about a gadget that powers up and sends a single 'sms' every blue moon. << You can pay $ int every year.

04:21:37 BingoBoingo: Less than ideal, but...

04:21:54 dub: kakobrekla: neg

04:22:21 BingoBoingo: For the cost of keeping a phone alive on the network I dunno of anything cheaper than Tracfone in the US

04:24:36 dub: satphones have prepay options iirc

04:26:05 dub: cost probably negates benefit, and you'd need sky

04:26:25 cazalla: re: salt, what is it with chinks and magic salt, had missus bff coming around with himalayan salt trying to scam me under the guise of it being great for baby

04:28:25 dub: idk, I recall a theory that abnormally high iodine levels in the japanese contributes to their well above average longevity

04:29:03 dub: (most western table salt has iodine removed)

04:29:57 cazalla: they add it to salt, bread etc etc here

04:30:33 cazalla: actually, bread is folic acid, yet these women don't have babies

04:31:45 dub: along with all manner of soy poisons and cow extracts

04:32:45 dub: ;;google cows in the bread

04:32:45 gribble: Grain Overload/ Acidosis - LEA-White Farms Registered Highland ...: http://www.leawhitefarms.com/grainoverloadacidosis.htm; Processed Bread - Feeds Marketing: http://www.feedsmarketing.co.uk/processed-bread; List of cattle breeds - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cattle_breeds

04:35:00 BingoBoingo: cazalla: Every living thing of note uses folate

04:35:30 BingoBoingo: About as close as Bio gets to having a level 0 standard

04:36:40 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> the device receives sms spam. << yup

04:37:36 cazalla: i won't pretend to know much about it other than what i said, law states they must add it to bread here, marketed to help the fetus yet women aren't falling pregnant, sounds more like a marketing pitch - here's a donut with folate, any excuse to buy it

04:38:35 dub: like fluoride, its all about reptillian seeding

04:38:53 mircea_popescu: <dub> not that I would want to go back << omg #bitcoin-extradition

04:38:58 nubbins`: <+dub> (most western table salt has iodine removed)

04:39:01 nubbins`: wat

04:39:07 nubbins`: you can buy non-iodized salt?

04:39:37 mircea_popescu: <dub> idk, I recall a theory that abnormally high iodine levels in the japanese contributes to their well above average longevity << fukushima makes sense nao.

04:39:54 dub: funnily some time in teh 90's as I recall they started not taking it out and advertising as iodized

04:40:42 trasyhhh151: command for change nick is /msg NickServ nick name?

04:40:55 trasyhhh151: struggling here

04:40:56 dub: no /nick newnick

04:42:01 nubbins`: incidentally, if anyone's interested, this is what a "save the date" looks like: http://imgur.com/KxD5W0m

04:42:02 assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer

04:42:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6586 @ 0.000802 = 5.282 BTC [-]

04:44:45 dub: I have a similarly gatsby themed one on my fridge

04:45:50 nubbins`: deco is the new deco

04:46:07 nubbins`: is yours a real invite or a pre-invite?

04:47:12 dub: this is an invite but i've had pre-invites before

04:47:45 BingoBoingo: http://www.kingdomofloathing.com/desc_item.php?whichitem=888987269

04:47:46 nubbins`: strange thing, hey

04:49:06 dub: not uncommon here but I don't really get it

04:49:31 dub: if you know when, why not skip straight to the invite proper

04:50:24 nubbins`: I KNOW RIGHT

04:50:35 nubbins`: these people

04:51:43 nubbins`: i struggle to understand living a life so bereft of meaning that blowing your wad on a $50k one-off party is the culmination of your aspirations

04:51:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5089 @ 0.00080051 = 4.0738 BTC [-]

04:51:58 nubbins`: i mean, y'know, wedding invitations for sale

04:52:02 nubbins`: but

04:52:05 nubbins`: srsly

04:52:08 dub: been to a couple of weddings involving several thousand dollars worth of international travel and accom for the guests, one of those had a save-the-date (STD?)

04:52:15 nubbins`: heh

04:52:26 dub: since such things are frequently cheapest booked earliest

04:53:01 asciilifeform: life so bereft of meaning that blowing your wad on a $50k one-off party is the culmination << next: seppuku parties. save the date!

04:53:06 nubbins`: oddly enough, this job came to us via a trendy downtown ad agency

04:53:50 nubbins`: asciilifeform please join steve and kristy as they ritually disembowel themselves! transportation to and from event provided

04:54:22 asciilifeform: nubbins`: does kristy get an 'apple corer' ?

04:54:42 dub: asciilifeform: expense of travel may be offset by reduced attendees, one couple claimed to have saved considerably

04:54:50 nubbins`: it was the only thing on the gift registry that i felt comfortable buying

04:54:54 dub: he is one of 14 kids

04:55:00 dub: sorry, his mother is

04:55:27 dub: upshot, 90% of his family couldnt make it

05:00:46 asciilifeform: only thing on the gift registry that i felt comfortable buying << lol, i suggested it as the actual instrument of sepukku

05:04:06 benkay: <mircea_popescu> mike_c stop opposing progress and an end to oppression. // hey have you guys heard about this ICBC auto insurance monopoly in BC?

05:04:20 benkay: nubbins`: is there an auto insurance monopoly in your corner of the great untamed communist north?

05:04:28 TheNewDeal: tell us more benkay

05:04:59 benkay: icbc

05:05:01 benkay: it's a monopoly

05:05:03 benkay: service sucks

05:05:06 benkay: what else do you want?

05:05:19 TheNewDeal: how did they become a monopoly

05:05:33 nubbins`: benkay, nope

05:05:35 TheNewDeal: it's just like the game - no one cares about the ending, it's how you get there

05:06:34 benkay: pediwiki: "By law, any vehicle registered and driven or parked on public streets in British Columbia must purchase ICBC's basic insurance package from an independent broker. "

05:06:43 BingoBoingo: ;;later tell danielpbarron Checking out my KoL inventory... What sorts of uncommon things might you be interested in pricing...

05:06:43 gribble: The operation succeeded.

05:07:26 danielpbarron: BingoBoingo, there are so many items.. if you could get a screenshot or something..

05:08:18 BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Well, time trappings, the whole outfit.

05:09:31 danielpbarron: BingoBoingo, you might be better off selling it in the mall; I'm not really interested in buying stuff for BTC, if that's what you meant

05:10:07 danielpbarron: with the time trappings, the key is to use a wand to transform them into whatever item is selling for the most

05:10:42 BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Well, meat or BTC. I'd rather keep the trio together. TIme limited content and all that.

05:11:34 dub: KoL?

05:13:01 danielpbarron: 20:43:11 <+mircea_popescu> why do all the supposed payments end in .9997 ? << if it's anything like the counterparty burn for xcp, the software puts a limit on 1 BTC per burn, and their reason was to make it harder for whales to burn a huge amount too easily (to make it "more fair" for the little guys)

05:14:04 danielpbarron: BingoBoingo, if you're getting back into playing, the time set is a nice thing to have; it's one of the most efficient ways to get extra adventures per day

05:14:44 danielpbarron: you can get more efficient by ditching the hat and pants for other stuff, but the sword is the best hand held item for that purpose (i think)

05:15:17 BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: It was indeed a nice pull from storage, but... Everything in this world is negotiable... And the set together has an added bonus

05:15:55 danielpbarron: right, what i mean is, you can exceed that bonus with other gear, but we're talking about a difference of a few adventures per day

05:15:59 benkay: asciilifeform: regarding pumps, would a peristaltic work?

05:16:10 benkay: ;;gettrust assbot Rassah

05:16:10 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask Rassah!~quassel@2601:a:f80:551:beae:c5ff:fe45:db9e. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Rassah: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Rassah | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Rassah | Rated since: Fri Jun 3 23:49:22 2011

05:17:12 asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7KIcwAn0FU

05:17:13 assbot: Tetris music on Stepper Motors! - YouTube

05:19:28 benkay: ;;gettrust kuzetsa

05:19:29 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask kuzetsa!znc@wikipedia/kuzetsa. Trust relationship from user benkay to user kuzetsa: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=kuzetsa | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=kuzetsa | Rated since: Sun Jul 15 14:54:23 2012

05:19:38 benkay: ;;gettrust assbot kuzetsa

05:19:38 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask kuzetsa!znc@wikipedia/kuzetsa. Trust relationship from user assbot to user kuzetsa: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=kuzetsa | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=kuzetsa | Rated since: Sun Jul 15 14:54:23 2012

05:20:40 benkay: kuzetsa: uses gribbles db, actually. if you've got a +1 from someone in assbot's wot, you can self-up as you've discovered.

05:20:45 benkay: light coupling, wot wot

05:22:56 benkay: <dub> if you know when, why not skip straight to the invite proper // this is what happens when you let the wimmins manage projects without oversight

05:23:36 benkay: <nubbins`> i struggle to understand living a life so bereft of meaning that blowing your wad on a $50k one-off party is the culmination of your aspirations // that's why they demand consummation immediately afterwards, to keep the void filled

05:23:53 asciilifeform: benkay: i considered peristaltic. turns out, others have tried - they end up 'burping'

05:24:13 asciilifeform: benkay: which is a shame, because old medical pumps are a dime a dozen on 'ebay.'

05:24:27 benkay: 'burping'?

05:24:32 benkay: asciilifeform: 'burping'?

05:24:52 asciilifeform: benkay: smallest 'quantum' of pumpage ends up being rather large.

05:25:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 39 @ 0.0131 = 0.5109 BTC [+]

05:25:32 benkay: ah, makes sense.

05:27:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20591 @ 0.00080065 = 16.4862 BTC [+]

05:29:56 asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3aNpJTwwmc << more for aficionados

05:29:56 assbot: Canon in D major - in stepper motor - YouTube

05:35:12 dub: prefer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aArSn4IhHI

05:35:12 assbot: We are the champions - YouTube

05:36:24 asciilifeform: lol

05:56:32 nubbins`: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9idfQVkqKyw

05:56:33 assbot: Rachmaninov Prelude in g minor - Op. 23 No. 5 - Gilels - YouTube

05:57:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 35 @ 0.16 = 5.6 BTC [-]

05:58:19 BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Ah, I see the time set declined in value as well due to competitive alternatives existing nao

05:59:33 danielpbarron: BingoBoingo, yeah; the petrified time item is worth a lot more now since it's impossible to reverse the conversion

06:00:21 BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Well, it was always worth more than any part, but... Back in the say the set used to be a 100+ million meat sort of deal

06:00:36 BingoBoingo: Fuck, BTC would have been a better investment

06:00:39 danielpbarron: my hemp backpack lost a lot of value when they implemented the back inventory slot and released an official mr. store style backback :<

06:01:06 danielpbarron: went from nearly 100 million meat down to 30 something million now

06:01:15 nubbins`: i uh

06:01:51 nubbins`: oh, you're talking about a game

06:01:52 BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: On the plus side ignoring the thing for 6+ years means there's new content nao at least

06:02:44 BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Didn't you get the memo that BTC is money for games?

06:03:09 nubbins`: i thought btc was the game

06:03:31 BingoBoingo: nubbins`: BTC is the game that binds all other games

06:03:31 nubbins`: you're saying these things are MONEY?!

06:03:55 BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Nah, I'm saying games are connected by games nao.

06:04:00 BingoBoingo: Games all the way down.

06:04:05 nubbins`: right, right

06:04:27 danielpbarron: i sent Jick a message for him to answer on his podcast, telling him he should accept BTC for Mr. A's; he shot it down and mostly focused on the "tone" i used

06:05:16 danielpbarron: then I started trying to buy/sell meat for BTC in the game's official chat; got a message from Multi Czar telling me i'd get my account disabled if i continued..

06:05:50 danielpbarron: even though their terms of use don't explicitly forbid buying/selling meat

06:05:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 15 @ 0.16 = 2.4 BTC [-]

06:07:14 BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Well, think more like mircea_popescu and what he did with Eve. You can trade shares of 1BTC corp for S.MPOE shares. Maybe start a 1BTMeat clan?

06:08:05 danielpbarron: i've got the counterparty thing; i think that is far enough removed from the act of buying/selling meat

06:08:34 danielpbarron: and I don't promote it in-game

06:09:08 danielpbarron: most users of KoL are pretty hostile to BTC anyway; there is a very strong socialist bent in there

06:15:01 BingoBoingo: Eh, most times you encounter a mass of people they will be opposed to you. That's what the whole girding your loins stuff in the old books is about.

06:21:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 212 @ 0.00274866 = 0.5827 BTC [-]

06:27:36 BingoBoingo: !up Duffer1

06:54:54 moiety: !up drawingthesun

06:56:53 moiety: ;;later tell asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-07-2014#765262 << one of my favourite pieces of music, I collect canons. that's brilliant!

06:56:54 assbot: #bitcoin-assets log

06:56:54 gribble: The operation succeeded.

07:25:57 Naphex: hey all o/ back from vacation

08:21:52 fluffypony: omg Naphex

08:21:53 fluffypony: HI!

08:21:57 fluffypony: I thought you died

08:24:14 Naphex: lol no

08:24:25 Naphex: been on vacation in ibz for 1 week

08:24:29 Naphex: tried to be disconnected

08:27:05 fluffypony: awesome

08:27:06 fluffypony: how was it?

08:28:26 Naphex: pretty fun and amaizingly nothing happend while i was gone :P

08:28:43 Naphex: got to sunbake, drink and party some for 1 week

08:32:11 fluffypony: awesome

08:32:39 fluffypony: Etherium presale already over 3000 BTC

08:32:44 fluffypony: trainwreck coming

08:33:08 fluffypony: "- We reserve the right to use up to 5000 BTC from the pre-sale while the pre-sale is running in order to speed up development."

08:36:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 16 @ 0.15730001 = 2.5168 BTC [+]

08:37:10 pankkake: http://www.zdziarski.com/blog/?p=3447

08:37:11 assbot: Apple Responds, Contributes Little | Jonathan Zdziarski's Domain

08:38:35 moiety: hi naphex, wb, hope you had a great holiday :]

08:39:18 Naphex: hey moiety, thanks - I did :D

08:39:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 390 @ 0.15450349 = 60.2564 BTC [-] {19}

08:49:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 192 @ 0.00272396 = 0.523 BTC [+]

09:06:27 pankkake: http://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/2bge40/im_crying_with_joy_over_here_my_toes_are_curling/

09:06:27 assbot: Im crying with joy over here, my toes are curling in untold glee, I have little doubt that I shall live to see this, all of it. : Buttcoin

09:10:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 358 @ 0.00144581 = 0.5176 BTC [-] {2}

09:31:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 273 @ 0.00256402 = 0.7 BTC [-]

09:32:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 26 @ 0.02890175 = 0.7514 BTC [-]

09:37:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19323 @ 0.00080673 = 15.5884 BTC [+]

09:45:08 BigBitz: !up Guest73329

09:46:28 BigBitz: Guest73329 has something to say - apparently :)

09:46:43 Guest73329: Hey all. Theymos automatically bans anyone who posts his dox on bitcointalk.org -- to demonstrate simply paste http://pastie.org/9414192 in a reply, and your account will automatically be banned.

09:46:44 assbot: Private Paste - Pastie

09:47:29 BigBitz: Banning people who post his own private information is not that much of a shock, Guest73329.

09:48:42 pankkake: it's ok for others, though

09:49:19 pankkake: even if inaccurate

09:50:28 dub: considering all the other shit theymos will go up against the wall for..

09:54:52 Guest73329: pankkake: He's absolutely OK with all dox except his own.

10:13:08 davout: ohai

10:13:32 davout: was the new mpex key advertised anywhere ?

10:14:05 dub: new domain? only here that I noticed

10:14:50 dub: (i think its an artifact of mp having fucked up DNS for the old one somehow)

10:15:53 davout: dub: i found http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-07-2014#763531 i'm after something that's signed tho

10:15:54 assbot: #bitcoin-assets log

10:16:47 dub: try teh faq

10:17:04 dub: its where the new key is, I assume that is signed

10:18:44 davout: not signed :-)

10:18:59 dub: the mpex key should be signed by mp

10:33:19 jurov: dub it is

10:33:36 jurov: not in the faq, but on the keyserver

10:34:20 jurov: !up anthor

10:35:47 jurov: http://pgp.surfnet.nl:11371/pks/lookup?op=vindex&fingerprint=on&search=0x02DD2D91 here is the signature

10:35:47 assbot: Search results for '0x02dd2d91'

10:36:59 jurov: !up Guest82296

10:37:13 jurov: !up saulimus

11:40:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17002 @ 0.00081189 = 13.8038 BTC [+]

11:58:56 davout: jurov: oic ty :)

12:07:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31705 @ 0.00080519 = 25.5285 BTC [-]

12:17:28 ThickAsThieves: mircea_popescu:thickasthieves feel like running whatever that is ? /// what is what?

12:18:17 ThickAsThieves: mircea_popescu:canada hasn't had a good musician since cohen visited and the us... //// Propagandhi, Neil Young, Greg MacPherson, The Weakerthans

12:21:42 fluffypony: Bryan Adams, Celine Dion, Justin Bieber

12:21:46 fluffypony: :-P

12:24:09 ThickAsThieves: mircea_popescu:BingoBoingo i saw some on tat's link too /// ah, it seems my post was simply moved from /r/bitcoin, a mod even posted he was mad at all the non-bitcoin-related posts yesterdya

12:27:41 ThickAsThieves: nubbins`:incidentally, if anyone's interested, this is what a "save the date" looks like: http://imgur.com/KxD5W0m /// not bad

12:27:41 assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer

12:28:18 dub: http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn25938-zoologger-moose-dribble-turns-off-grasss-toxic-defences.html

12:28:19 assbot: Zoologger: Moose dribble turns off grass's toxic defences - life - 23 July 2014 - New Scientist

12:29:33 ThickAsThieves: "- We reserve the right to use up to 5000 BTC from the pre-sale while the pre-sale is running in order to speed up development." lol so were they gonna just sit on their thumbs otherwise?

12:30:06 fluffypony: apparently

12:30:09 fluffypony: for 45 days

12:30:13 fluffypony: now instead they're goign to party

12:33:30 punkman: I liked this part: "EthSuisse will be liquidated shortly after creation of genesis block, and EthSuisse anticipates (but does not guarantee) that after it is dissolved the Ethereum Platform will continue to be developed by persons and entities who support Ethereum, including both volunteers and developers who are paid by nonprofit entities interested in supporting the Ethereum Platform."

12:34:57 ThickAsThieves: ethsuisse?

12:35:25 pankkake: so basically "kthxbye"

12:36:26 thestringpuller: so long and thanks for all the fish

12:42:19 ThickAsThieves: why did etherium wait so long to sell this anyway, their hype is like 6mos old already

12:42:20 punkman: http://dpaste.com/32KTGWC.txt

12:42:27 punkman: 4k btc already

12:42:43 punkman: "WARNING: DO NOT PURCHASE ETH IF YOU ARE NOT AN EXPERT IN DEALING WITH CRYPTOGRAPHIC TOKENS AND BLOCKCHAIN-BASED SOFTWARE SYSTEMS"

12:42:48 ThickAsThieves: ok so EthSuisse is basically the team

12:43:12 ThickAsThieves: and the team says they will liquidate without hesitation and leave the work to the community at will

12:43:15 ThickAsThieves: pretty awesome

12:43:37 ThickAsThieves: punkman i quote dthat same line yesterday, a great one

12:44:01 punkman: this ToS of theirs is full of gems

12:44:41 punkman: (and typos)

12:45:04 punkman: "It is possible that the Ethereum Platform will not be used by a large number of external businesses, individuals, and other organizations and that there will be limited public interest in the creation and development of distributed applications. Such a lack of interest could impact the development of the Ethereum Platform and potential uses of ETH. "

12:45:10 dub: http://thenostalgiamachine.com/ too cool

12:45:10 assbot: The Nostalgia Machine

12:45:28 ThickAsThieves: "Cryptography is an art, not a science."

12:45:38 pankkake: what the lol

12:46:31 ThickAsThieves: lol they also warn of victimofsuccessery "If the Ethereum Platform is rapidly adopted, the demand for ETH could rise dramatically and at a pace that exceeds the rate with which ETH miners can create new ETH tokens. Under such a scenario, the entire Ethereum Platform could become destabilized, due to the increased cost of running distributed applications. In turn, this could dampen

12:46:31 ThickAsThieves: interest in the Ethereum Project and ETH."

12:48:18 punkman: "ETH, the Ethereum Platform’s cryptofuel"

12:51:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.15 = 0.6 BTC [+]

12:52:35 kakobrekla: dub no playall :(

12:56:01 ThickAsThieves: the solar system we got is officially making more than we are using :)

12:56:17 ThickAsThieves: lol, bad choice of words

12:56:20 ThickAsThieves: solar system

12:57:42 jurov: someone has hyperactive imagination there

12:59:12 pankkake: in case you guys are out of lols, http://time.com/money/3006715/millennials-higher-inflation-baby-boomers/

12:59:15 assbot: What Millennials Want That Their Boomer Parents Hate - 1

13:00:50 jurov: i'm not out of lulz, just got another phish "from bitcointalk". they even went into trouble of photoshopping theymos' account: http://s8.postimg.org/j399erbpx/ads.jpg

13:00:57 ThickAsThieves: so many meaningless numbers and words in that article

13:02:00 ThickAsThieves: "I realize that the costs of these things will rise—prices always rise. It would just be nice if our salaries rose enough to pay for them." wish harder.

13:03:00 ThickAsThieves: pankkake i cant even suss what that article ia actually about

13:03:25 ThickAsThieves: is

13:05:04 pankkake: mainstream media prepping the general public for inflation

13:05:09 ThickAsThieves: TLDR = Inflation and Babies Happen and Here are Some Words Saying So

13:05:47 pankkake: wow, those shop skillz

13:11:25 ThickAsThieves: wow i'm scrolling through these Money articles on time.com and it

13:11:32 ThickAsThieves: s like 1984 in here

13:11:40 ThickAsThieves: all propaganda to the max

13:11:53 ThickAsThieves: "These 3 Companies Can Raise Prices Without Losing Your Business"

13:12:05 ThickAsThieves: "Free Jamocha Shakes at Arby’s on Wednesday" (dafuck?)

13:12:22 ThickAsThieves: "How to Convert a Summer Internship Into a Full-Time Job" (work for free plz!)

13:13:37 pankkake: we're having it all here. deflation would be catastrophic, there's not enough inflation, lowering prices is bad (currently used to forbid competitors and favor existing cartels)

13:13:47 ThickAsThieves: "Save 15% of pay for 30 years and you will be fine, a new study shows. Save for longer, and it gets much easier."

13:14:11 ThickAsThieves: pretty ugly

13:14:22 cazalla: whyareyousobutthurt = pankkake, right? :P

13:14:41 pankkake: cazalla: yes, it's the account I have at work

13:14:48 pankkake: good job

13:14:53 pankkake: I mean, from you

13:15:26 cazalla: only cause i saw that time link here and then 2 seconds later on reddit heh

13:16:33 cazalla: this is some top keks

13:17:39 ThickAsThieves: Sexy Saffron appears to be parlaying it up

13:18:31 cazalla: pankkake, i eagerly await the day coblee turns from saint to pariah

13:19:27 chetty: ThickAsThieves, you dose with bicarbonate to read things like time.com?

13:21:00 ThickAsThieves: i dont "read" time.com

13:21:11 ThickAsThieves: i skim it for glitches in the matrix

13:30:03 mircea_popescu: hey moiety!

13:56:05 mircea_popescu: dub: this is an invite but i've had pre-invites before << wtf is this invite to invite, ask to ask, meta bullshit anyway ?

13:57:03 mircea_popescu: do they send out "mr schmukersson will impulsively fuck mrs schmukersson thursday, august 15th around 7:12 pm, your presence is kindly solicited" spam too ?

13:58:15 mircea_popescu: bah im fucking late to the party

13:58:28 mircea_popescu: yo peoples! YOU SHOULD HAVE SAVED MY DATE!

13:59:10 pankkake: uh, I got some altcoins to 1MPGRCrbib3aFGtTCLF5nADZcLEAgdTu7E

13:59:19 pankkake: someone made a mistake?

13:59:27 Pierre_Rochard: ;;rate princessnell 1 Rays fan

13:59:28 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user princessnell has been recorded.

13:59:36 mircea_popescu: benkay: hey have you guys heard about this ICBC auto insurance monopoly in BC? << kinda why i was so lulzed out at the entire "icbc is in pink sheets" nyse debacle.

13:59:44 mircea_popescu: that thing's probably worth more than the whole us atm.

13:59:56 mircea_popescu: ;;rated princessnell

13:59:57 gribble: You rated user princessnell on Thu Jun 12 00:45:23 2014, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: She's smart..

14:00:03 mircea_popescu: aok

14:01:35 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron: << if it's anything like the counterparty burn for xcp << supposedly this is not a burn, they intend to spend it.

14:02:48 mircea_popescu: benkay: this is what happens when you let the wimmins manage projects without oversight << word, seriously. and you should see what happens when you let them manage kids w/o oversight.

14:04:27 chetty: http://nakamotoinstitute.org/gpg-contracts/

14:04:28 assbot: GPG Contracts | Satoshi Nakamoto Institute

14:04:28 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron: i sent Jick a message for him to answer on his podcast, telling him he should accept BTC for Mr. A's; he shot it down and mostly focused on the "tone" i used << incredible the gall of these fuckwits.

14:04:49 mircea_popescu: here's nobody doing nothing, and he has like... opinions on bitcoin and issues with tone and whatnot ?

14:04:52 mircea_popescu: we need a bigger jail.

14:05:58 mircea_popescu: chetty yeah, the guys asked for permission to republish

14:06:09 chetty: <mircea_popescu> benkay: this is what happens when you let the wimmins manage projects without oversight << word, seriously. and you should see what happens when you let them manage kids w/o oversight.// yeah you get adults

14:06:12 mircea_popescu: Naphex so how was vacation ? new gf ?

14:06:23 mircea_popescu: chetty not you. women.

14:07:26 mircea_popescu: fluffypony: "- We reserve the right to use up to 5000 BTC from the pre-sale while the pre-sale is running in order to speed up development." << funny they didn't reserve it before the fucking thing started.

14:08:24 mircea_popescu: translation : "that asshole mp is putting pressure on our liquidity providers (what, you didn't think we OWNED the btc we're presenting as having been invested by third parties ?!) and so we won't be able to keep the charade up without recirculating some capital. sorry!"

14:08:38 ThickAsThieves: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2bhknd/btc_is_like_a_drug/

14:08:38 assbot: BTC is like a drug : Bitcoin

14:08:38 pankkake: hence http://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/2bge40/im_crying_with_joy_over_here_my_toes_are_curling/

14:08:38 assbot: Im crying with joy over here, my toes are curling in untold glee, I have little doubt that I shall live to see this, all of it. : Buttcoin

14:09:05 pankkake: http://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/2bhf59/bitcoin_taps_into_efficiencies_in_the_camwhore/ eh

14:09:06 assbot: Bitcoin taps into efficiencies in the camwhore market : Buttcoin

14:09:35 mircea_popescu: pankkake hehehe "btc did it

14:11:41 mircea_popescu: "Dear lord this is absolutely fucking grade-A insane. I had to read that first paragraph 4 times just because I just couldn't believe somebody would ever intentionally write something so convoluted. And it doesn't improve as the paper continues. In all seriousness, this reads almost exactly like the deranged manifestos that are left behind by school shooters, that is the vibe I get from whatever the fuck you want to ca

14:11:41 mircea_popescu: ll this"

14:11:51 mircea_popescu: i suppose the word he's looking for is "terrorism"

14:12:11 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there you go. it was not stalin's fault. the people wanted, nay, the people needed it. all of it.

14:13:01 mike_c: sometimes this channel is a sausage fest. save the date's are very reasonable. you don't have all the details figured out, but you know the day and don't want people to book something else.

14:13:33 mircea_popescu: "A verbose and condescending essay written by a child who has never encountered true malice or been hungry in his whole life." << o, "you've never been hungry thus what you have to say is unimportant". because yeah, that's true value : to find out from the frequently hungry how they dun it!

14:13:54 pankkake: > I work in the adult comic industry and we sometimes publish furry comics (anthropomorphic people) and we frequently get taking down by banks and payment processors for distributing "bestiality."

14:13:55 mircea_popescu: mike_c how do you know the date if you don';t have other things (presumably, the girl ?) figured out ?

14:14:03 pankkake: oh god, furries coming to bitcoin

14:14:07 mircea_popescu: afaik it goes like this : pick a girl, pick a date, party.

14:14:17 mike_c: hahaha.

14:14:18 mircea_popescu: pankkake no that's quite old.

14:14:22 Pierre_Rochard: chetty: please let us know if you have any other candidates for republication

14:14:28 mike_c: no. 1) pick a girl. 2) she picks the date

14:14:40 mike_c: 3) she starts planning for 6 months

14:14:40 mircea_popescu: mike_c you're not picking a girl then.

14:14:44 mike_c: 4) party

14:14:59 mike_c: hm, that is a point

14:15:04 mike_c: who would want to marry a girl?

14:15:24 mircea_popescu: ask around :D

14:15:45 mike_c: full-grown woman is enough to manage.

14:16:35 mircea_popescu: why'd you marry a full grown woman ?

14:16:38 ThickAsThieves: my brother got surprise-eloped last week

14:16:42 mircea_popescu: they ran out of friendship cards in your town ?

14:17:38 mike_c: mircea_popescu: tax benefits.

14:18:19 mircea_popescu: trying to fix a problem with the town through marriage is not unlike trying to fix poor reception by holding the antenna in certain ways or a malfunctioning computer by running the tap nearby.

14:18:57 chetty: <Pierre_Rochard> chetty: please let us know if you have any other candidates for republication// fraudsters is a gold mine

14:19:06 mircea_popescu: davout: was the new mpex key advertised anywhere ? << in faq and linked here.

14:19:22 mircea_popescu: Pierre_Rochard the SA reddit subsection thinks you suck nao.

14:19:32 davout: mircea_popescu: yea, saw the link here but i was missing the signature bit

14:19:57 mircea_popescu: it's signed itself (there's a link to the pgp sks infrastructure with my signature on it)

14:20:25 mircea_popescu: a nm jurov said so. sorry, im parsing the logs rather than compiling them.

14:20:53 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how about this btw ? when confronted with the logs, i naturally settled on parsing rather than compiling. is this because im stupid or is this beause parsing is better ?

14:21:16 benkay: low investment upfront for middling-to-poor performance.

14:21:28 benkay: ;)

14:22:15 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you might have been thinking of 'interpret'

14:22:25 Pierre_Rochard: chetty: it is, I’ve been reading through as much as I can to see which articles are especially crypto/econ/bitcoin centered like GPG Contracts (and obvs to learn & think)

14:22:32 mircea_popescu: i go through it one ;line at a time and comment. sometimes this results in redundancy

14:22:55 asciilifeform: i suspect that most of us do this.

14:23:58 ThickAsThieves: cuz we wish we were there

14:24:02 ThickAsThieves: so we pretend

14:24:17 ThickAsThieves: and no one minds

14:24:25 benkay: wait ethsuisse? waht is this?

14:24:39 ThickAsThieves: its the dev team

14:24:40 asciilifeform: ;;later tell moiety shame that modern pc includes no addressable stepper motor. but if you own, e.g. a scanner, you can still play this beautiful music...

14:24:41 gribble: The operation succeeded.

14:25:03 kakobrekla: or a floppy

14:26:22 asciilifeform: ;;later tell moiety a true maestro will play, say, j.s. bach, correctly! that is, gigantic lift motors for the low octaves, little floppy drive head drivers for the highest.

14:26:23 gribble: The operation succeeded.

14:26:48 mircea_popescu: <ThickAsThieves> so we pretend << srsly.

14:27:15 asciilifeform: ;;later tell moiety further example, if you liked - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2UmkfixRH8

14:27:15 assbot: CNC machine playing tetris and still alive - YouTube

14:27:16 gribble: The operation succeeded.

14:27:21 mthreat: asciilifeform: the first IBM PC had some kind of relay, you could access it with the BASIC instruction "MOTOR ON" or "MOTOR OFF". If you turned it on and off in a loop, it was a buzzer.

14:27:34 asciilifeform: mthreat: the floppy.

14:27:50 kakobrekla: is this thing on?

14:28:09 cazalla: pankkake, that address is what BingoBoingo gave me to send ATC

14:28:20 mthreat: asciilifeform: I don't remember, maybe, but it sounded like a relay...

14:28:25 benkay: hi kakobrekla

14:28:31 pankkake: well, he has the private key, but I have it too. not smart :p

14:28:49 kakobrekla: a ok works . hi benkay .

14:29:37 mircea_popescu: pankkake: mainstream media prepping the general public for inflation << precisely.

14:29:38 mthreat: asciilifeform: cassette drive motor possibly

14:30:00 mircea_popescu: nothing lulzier than watching teh propaganda machine trying to spin utter failure into being chic, hip, and what these blasted youngsters want.

14:30:30 mircea_popescu: <pankkake> well, he has the private key, but I have it too. not smart :p << omg BingoBoingo WHAT HAVE YOU DUN NAO

14:31:05 pankkake: unfortunately there's no easy way to remove an address from bitcoin-qt

14:31:18 pankkake: and armory has a "swipe" feature, too

14:31:23 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: Sexy Saffron appears to be parlaying it up << the sign of a smart girl. you only need give a little push.

14:32:40 nubbins`: where i come from, you're not cool unless your money is worth less today than it was yesterday

14:33:16 mthreat: nubbins`: that's a lot of places

14:34:07 mthreat: starbucks raised their prices in Buenos Aires again yesterday. Since December 2013, the coffee I get has gone from 30 to 44 pesos

14:34:43 mircea_popescu: mthreat why do you drink starbucks tho ?

14:35:01 fluffypony: Pheeva put a TV ad out, it's actually kinda decent:

14:35:01 *: fluffypony https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cW3fM95L7RU&feature=youtu.be

14:35:02 assbot: Pheeva - Plus - Gyft - Troll TV Ad - YouTube

14:35:22 mthreat: mircea_popescu: because i don't know good vs. bad coffee probably, and it's the 2nd closest after Cafe Martinez (probably worse)

14:35:30 princessnell: Pierre_Rochard maybe http://fraudsters.com/2014/a-complete-theory-of-economics/ and http://fraudsters.com/2012/the-politics-of-bitcoin/ for posterity http://fraudsters.com/2014/interacting-with-fiat-institution-a-guide/

14:35:31 assbot: A complete theory of economics pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

14:35:32 assbot: The politics of Bitcoin pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

14:35:33 assbot: Interacting with fiat institution, a guide pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

14:36:04 mircea_popescu: mthreat i've never paid more than about 25 or so for coffee myself, and never had a bad cup yet.

14:36:17 princessnell: Pierre_Rochard rota case study (i <3 law and econ) http://fraudsters.com/2012/the-mpex-rota/ and http://fraudsters.com/2013/case-i-wences-vs-mpex-breach-of-fiduciary-duty/ and http://fraudsters.com/2013/rota-post-mortem/

14:36:19 assbot: The MPEx Rota pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

14:36:20 assbot: Case I - Wences vs MPEx, Breach of fiduciary duty pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

14:36:21 assbot: ROTA, post mortem. pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

14:36:21 mircea_popescu: had some pretty good, not much of a coffee drinker myself, but i mean... they prolly import their shit.

14:36:54 cazalla: i wouldn't use pheeva on account the dev is fat albert

14:37:22 pankkake: http://fraudsters.com/2013/the-future-of-bitcoin-regulation/

14:37:23 assbot: The future of Bitcoin regulation pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

14:37:31 pankkake: http://fraudsters.com/2012/the-problem-of-too-much-money/

14:37:32 assbot: The problem of too much money pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

14:37:34 mthreat: mircea_popescu: I get the "venti" (20oz) size

14:37:41 princessnell: Pierre_Rochard also probably WoT lit http://fraudsters.com/2014/advanced-wot-course-how-the-wot-is-attacked-and-how-it-defends-itself/

14:37:42 assbot: Advanced WoT course : how the WoT is attacked, and how it defends itself. pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

14:38:16 Pierre_Rochard: princessnell: thanks! mircea_popescu: permission to republish? In general longer/older/timeless articles go to the literature section, shorter/newer/“current events” go to the Memory Pool.

14:38:42 nubbins`: mthreat: do yourself a favor and stop drinking charbucks

14:38:50 nubbins`: you may be surprised to learn that coffee has a taste

14:39:10 cazalla: hipster baristas up in here

14:39:28 nubbins`: crikey mate, you have hipsters down under?

14:40:07 cazalla: i live in the capital of hipsters, feminists, greenies in australia :\

14:40:23 nubbins`: knowing what i know about you, this must drive you to the brink of suicide each day

14:41:07 mircea_popescu: aite, gotta do some meetings nao. bbl all.

14:42:48 cazalla: nubbins`, i'll out and see them do it first

14:42:51 cazalla: hold out*

14:43:03 nubbins`: that's my boy

14:43:46 kakobrekla: !up equex

14:43:51 kakobrekla: GOOD MORNING EQUEX

14:43:59 nubbins`: "i live in a place with stylish young people, independent women, and those who care about our natural environment. it's a real drag."

14:44:29 cazalla: they are none of those things though

14:44:39 nubbins`: to you, sure

14:44:58 cazalla: if they cared about their environment, they'd at least grow veg and raise their own meat at bare minimum

14:45:00 nubbins`: just like you're not a reasonable adult worthy of dignity and respect... to them

14:45:01 nubbins`: :D

14:45:20 nubbins`: is that the bare minimum tho?

14:45:23 cazalla: if they were independent, they wouldn't need handouts while undertaking women's studies

14:45:27 nubbins`: raising your own meat?

14:45:38 cazalla: i think so

14:45:55 *: nubbins` raises his own eyebrow

14:46:16 cazalla: although if you asked any of them, they'd tell you i'm running rabbit auschwitz here

14:46:20 nubbins`: you know raising meat animals in the first place isn't particularly great for the environment

14:47:26 nubbins`: hm, china received $34m in foreign aid from canada in 2012

14:48:28 nubbins`: http://cidpnsi.ca/blog/portfolio/canadas-foreign-aid/

14:48:30 assbot: Canada's Foreign Aid spending around the world | CIDP | Canadian International Development Platform

14:49:13 rithm: SFW noob video: http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=95714897

14:49:13 assbot: 401 Authorization Required

14:50:03 pankkake: $56M to Russia

14:50:12 ThickAsThieves: NSFW you meant

14:50:24 cazalla: depends where you work eh

14:50:57 ThickAsThieves: well they didnt invent NSFW for sex workers

14:51:08 assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2XHYV25.txt )

14:51:08 mthreat: !b 3

14:52:22 nubbins`: $65m to gaza & west bank

14:54:24 cazalla: china and russia given aid, shows how little i know

14:55:35 mike_c: "So more economic growth (spurred on by more borrowing and spending) would help alleviate low wage growth" .. and i'm done.

14:56:30 penguirker: New blog post: http://fr.anco.is/2014/07/23/x-eur-july-23rd-2014-statement/

15:04:31 rithm: seemed safe to me

15:07:58 chetty: http://www.newrepublic.com/article/118747/ivy-league-schools-are-overrated-send-your-kids-elsewhere

15:07:58 assbot: Ivy League Schools Are Overrated. Send Your Kids Elsewhere. | New Republic

15:09:04 ThickAsThieves: "Before he started college, he spent most of his time reading and writing short stories. Three years later, he’s painfully insecure, worrying about things my public-educated friends don’t give a second thought to, like the stigma of eating lunch alone and whether he’s “networking” enough. "

15:11:27 pankkake: “Return on investment”: that’s the phrase you often hear today when people talk about college.

15:11:51 pankkake: college graduates are bagholders

15:13:28 benkay: <chetty> <mircea_popescu> benkay: this is what happens when you let the wimmins manage projects without oversight << word, seriously. and you should see what happens when you let them manage kids w/o oversight.// yeah you get adults // team effort, anyone?

15:14:34 penguirker: New blog post: http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/07/23/a-guide-to-buying-5000-ether-bitcoin-2-5x-more-than-ethereums-genesis-sale/

15:14:41 nubbins`: the stigma of eating lunch alone

15:14:50 nubbins`: i tell ya, worlds you didn't know existed

15:15:08 benkay: <mircea_popescu> <pankkake> well, he has the private key, but I have it too. not smart :p << omg BingoBoingo WHAT HAVE YOU DUN NAO // yeah, i'm also curious as to what's going on here

15:15:16 benkay: morning, bitcoinpete

15:15:22 bitcoinpete: howdy benkay

15:15:32 benkay: how was pottery?

15:15:52 pankkake: I gave the private key to MP at a time I wasn't sure I could even transfer the coins in a timely manner

15:16:20 pankkake: so the private key is now known to multiple people

15:16:27 pankkake: and in multiple bitcoin clients

15:16:46 bitcoinpete: benkay: my hands are still stained from the autumn leaves glaze

15:16:46 pankkake: (well, altcoin)

15:17:24 benkay: gotcha.

15:17:36 benkay: this rescanning the blockchain thing is a total bitch, isn't it?

15:17:37 bitcoinpete: benkay: but for it being my first time on the wheel in a close to 15 years, quite well :D

15:18:09 benkay: what, after all, is the point of a "database" if one's not going to actually organize data in a useful fashion within?

15:19:20 benkay: <pankkake> unfortunately there's no easy way to remove an address from bitcoin-qt // delete from wallet.dat? or is that not actually a text file?

15:19:27 ThickAsThieves: bitcoinpete, unless i need more coffee, mp isnt allowing people to short ETH, he's allowing them to long it

15:19:45 pankkake: it's a Berkeley DB file

15:19:52 pankkake: there are tools to edit it, though

15:19:54 ThickAsThieves: they get more ETH for their money now

15:20:02 benkay: what an unmitigated goddamned disaster.

15:20:05 ThickAsThieves: but MP doesnt buy it til later

15:20:07 bitcoinpete: ThickAsThieves: they get more later

15:20:16 ThickAsThieves: some would have to lend ETH to short it

15:20:31 bitcoinpete: mp is selling eth

15:20:34 ThickAsThieves: who's lending?

15:20:40 ThickAsThieves: ETH

15:20:43 bitcoinpete: not me ;)

15:20:47 ThickAsThieves: hehe

15:20:55 benkay: <princessnell> Pierre_Rochard also probably WoT lit // woterotica

15:20:59 ThickAsThieves: so no way to short it

15:21:27 benkay: 'cept the classic popescuian naked short

15:21:40 bitcoinpete: ThickAsThieves: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-07-2014#764462

15:21:40 assbot: #bitcoin-assets log

15:22:03 bitcoinpete: benkay: lol

15:22:20 bitcoinpete: pretty sure he has his ways

15:22:43 ThickAsThieves: ^o^

15:22:44 benkay: 70% odds it's a naked short.

15:23:18 ThickAsThieves: i still dont see how I get to short ETH by entering MP's future offer

15:23:40 benkay: mp's going short, and offering to sell the thing to anyone at a future date below what it's selling for now.

15:23:47 ThickAsThieves: right

15:23:57 benkay: if mp's going short, how can you go short by taking the other side of his trade?

15:24:05 ThickAsThieves: this is my point

15:24:26 benkay: who's claiming that he's offering a vehicle for others to short?

15:24:26 pankkake: I think that's incorrect too. it allows you to get a better price if you're long, or MAYBE short it as long as you think it's won't go as low as 2.5x less

15:24:47 ThickAsThieves: bitcoinpete says "Effectively, MP is allowing you to “short” ETH."

15:25:06 bitcoinpete: lol to the correction car!

15:25:13 benkay: oh, bitcoinpete does derivatives now?

15:25:33 ThickAsThieves: just making sure we stay on-message!

15:25:34 pankkake: wait, why the fuck are they callimg themselves ETH Suisse? I just remembered: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89cole_polytechnique_f%C3%A9d%C3%A9rale_de_Zurich

15:25:34 assbot: cole polytechnique fdrale de Zurich Wikipdia

15:25:37 ThickAsThieves: solidarity!

15:25:40 ThickAsThieves: for the motherland!

15:25:57 benkay: pankkake: "credit suisse" perhaps?

15:26:10 ThickAsThieves: or, i think bitcoinpete is cool so i dont want to see him have errors in his shit

15:26:41 benkay: -assets proofreading is best proofreading.

15:27:10 benkay: i am deploy from car

15:27:12 bitcoinpete: s/short/long

15:27:18 benkay: devops borat would approve

15:27:27 bitcoinpete: if that vernacular works...

15:27:43 benkay: it's almost like you use a real text editor too, bitcoinpete!

15:27:53 bitcoinpete: "to short" sounds so much better than "to long"

15:28:01 benkay: ;)

15:28:54 bitcoinpete: ;;rate ThickAsThieves 1 drinks coffee, knows derivativespeak

15:28:56 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user ThickAsThieves has been recorded.

15:29:00 benkay: to go long

15:29:05 benkay: to take a long position

15:29:12 benkay: (in)

15:29:13 ThickAsThieves: i'd say you could almost short it if you bought real ETH, sold off-market for slight discount, then repurchased from MP, but you'd still be betting only on the availble spread, if price dropped below MP's offer, your short would be fukt ... even then they tell you cant do anyhting with the ETH til genblock is made... soooo

15:29:25 bitcoinpete: to golong

15:29:38 ThickAsThieves: he's basiclaly selling ETH at a discount

15:29:42 ThickAsThieves: cheapcoinz!

15:29:48 bitcoinpete: right!

15:29:51 benkay: ;;ticker

15:29:53 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 621.01, Best ask: 622.87, Bid-ask spread: 1.86000, Last trade: 622.87, 24 hour volume: 2729.87411553, 24 hour low: 618.0, 24 hour high: 624.99, 24 hour vwap: 621.168150006

15:30:00 benkay: ThickAsThieves: scammor

15:30:02 bitcoinpete: the smart kids will be all over mp's offer

15:30:02 ThickAsThieves: haha

15:30:04 ThickAsThieves: soon

15:30:13 benkay: what's smart about buying ether?

15:30:18 ThickAsThieves: nothing

15:30:26 benkay: wine with shit in it is still just shitty wine

15:30:33 pankkake: price is tempting regardless

15:30:58 bitcoinpete: benkay: beats me, ask the *kids* buying the shit

15:31:04 ThickAsThieves: you could argue that the noob hypewagen is strong enough to carry ETH value above MP's offer

15:31:08 mike_c: but shitty wine at half price!

15:31:17 bitcoinpete: ThickAsThieves: entirely possible

15:32:15 benkay: i guess a hedge against ether going somewhere isn't such a bad idea, but it totally fails the good investments criteria.

15:32:22 benkay: starting with not actually existing.

15:32:42 benkay: it's just the whole "i missed btc, maybe this will make me rich" self delusion alllllllll over again.

15:32:55 ThickAsThieves: i think the best part about the offer is it's potential to disrupt the live offering

15:33:08 pankkake: if you look at similar coins, like nxt and ripple, they're still valued quite high

15:33:11 benkay: vb & co. imagine they're actually doing something, but they're just draining the wallets of latecomers

15:33:15 ThickAsThieves: i'd love for people to be buying from MP instead of the actual people

15:33:16 princessnell: i love that it reveals the exhuberance

15:33:58 pankkake: !up stormlight

15:34:03 benkay: "quite high" sure, but are they going to go from .01 US per to 10k per?

15:34:07 bitcoinpete: ThickAsThieves: they still need the patience tho

15:34:22 bitcoinpete: 8 months is 8 years for "i wanna rich nao" ppl

15:34:23 pankkake: benkay: not my point, my point is about taking MP's offer

15:34:25 ThickAsThieves: and it's an audience that hates mp, soooo, fat chance

15:34:42 asciilifeform: is everyone familiar with the proverbial 'money trap' ?

15:34:42 ThickAsThieves: maybe he can buy their love

15:34:57 bitcoinpete: asciilifeform: do tell

15:35:12 asciilifeform: container with, say, banana, and a hole big enough for the beast's hand, but not if it holds the bait

15:35:14 ThickAsThieves: isnt that a Tom hanks movie?

15:35:14 bitcoinpete: ThickAsThieves: maybe if they were camgirls

15:35:33 Pierre_Rochard: ;;rate bitcoinpete 2 Amoraim of b-a

15:35:34 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 2 for user bitcoinpete has been recorded.

15:35:38 bitcoinpete: hand in a cookie jar thing

15:35:38 benkay: pankkake: yeah, i know what you're saying. this discussion hearkens back to a thing a wise old man harps on about how if you can have the patience to see past the next 6 months to two years you can make trades the rest of the market won't consider because they want 17%/annum *now*

15:35:40 ThickAsThieves: Sexy Saffron better not tell reddit she's an mp employee

15:35:41 asciilifeform: monkey reaches in, grasps banana, refuses to let go, sits there. until hunter shows up.

15:35:47 bitcoinpete: Pierre_Rochard: why ty

15:35:55 asciilifeform: this is quite analogous to the altchain folks

15:36:27 bitcoinpete: asciilifeform: also how herschel tricked one of the channukah goblins. eggs in the jar iirc

15:36:39 benkay: bitcoinpete: yup.

15:36:47 pigeons: hey mircea_popescu I havent followed, but i saw you are selling eth foward contract or similar. I wanted to suggest putting something similar on mpex, i think that would do well

15:37:09 asciilifeform: if any of them took the trouble to write something interesting (e.g. system analogous to the original btc but of proper, rather than 'power ranger' quality) and resisted the temptation of premine shenanigans, etc. - but no.

15:37:14 asciilifeform: can't let go of banana.

15:37:44 benkay: asciilifeform: even if they could reimplement the thing from scratch, it still wouldn't touch btc proper.

15:38:01 benkay: and they can't "let go of banana" and write a real wallet, adding value to the ecosystem.

15:38:09 pigeons: oh dont tell me mpex is still down from weeks ago?

15:38:11 kakobrekla: power ranger has infinite hitpoints.

15:38:18 benkay: mpex.ws, pigeons

15:38:23 pigeons: thanks

15:38:32 benkay: .co works as well for me iirc

15:39:12 pigeons: go isnt working at the moment from my location at least

15:39:18 pigeons: co

15:41:13 ThickAsThieves: mpex.wallstreet

15:41:17 bitcoinpete: Nassim N. Taleb @nntaleb · 38m Up to 19thC, people in the Levant changed religion to stay in the land. Today they change land to keep religion. (Druzes⇒Maronites⇔Shiites) << sounds downright civilized

15:43:33 asciilifeform: benkay: point is not that a hypothetical altchain created by thinking people would displace traditional btc, but that it is theoretically possible to build something that's at least worth thinking about.

15:44:16 bitcoinpete: asciilifeform: but that'll never get teh community on board. teh views!

15:45:50 asciilifeform: no shortage of possible experiments to choose from (e.g. Lamportian 67% theoretical maximum threshold (see 'byzantine generals') instead of 51; programmable work functions; a hundred other things)

15:46:10 asciilifeform: !s turingcoin

15:46:10 assbot: 2 results for 'turingcoin' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=turingcoin

15:46:30 asciilifeform: !s slavecoin

15:46:31 assbot: 22 results for 'slavecoin' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=slavecoin

15:46:45 pankkake: !s coincoin

15:46:45 assbot: 1 results for 'coincoin' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=coincoin

15:47:01 asciilifeform: but no. somehow altchain folks can only think of duplicating spam stock business model.

15:47:17 benkay: actual programmers being few and far between.

15:47:19 chetty: http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2014/07/22/Islamic-State-Says-Mannequins-in-Maul-Must-Wear-Veils

15:47:20 assbot: Islamic State Says Mannequins Must Wear Veils

15:50:48 benkay: maul?

15:51:07 bitcoinpete: http://bps-research-digest.blogspot.ca/2014/07/what-textbooks-dont-tell-you-one-of.html

15:51:07 assbot: BPS Research Digest: What the textbooks don't tell you - one of psychology's most famous experiments was seriously flawed

15:51:13 benkay: <benkay> actual programmers being few and far between. // not to imply anything about myself, ofc just a derpy webapp guy

15:56:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 57 @ 0.0142 = 0.8094 BTC [+]

15:57:45 chetty: http://bps-research-digest.blogspot.ca/2014/04/a-self-fulfilling-fallacy.html#at_pco=smlwn-1.0&at_si=53cfda39a97adc45&at_ab=per-3&at_pos=0&at_tot=1

15:57:46 assbot: BPS Research Digest: A self-fulfilling fallacy?

15:59:24 bitcoinpete: ;;nethash

15:59:25 gribble: 129685563.491

15:59:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.81503056 BTC to 12`514 shares, 14504 satoshi per share

16:01:07 bitcoinpete: "SEC To Complete Rules Aimed at Reducing Money-Fund Risks: Plan Would Allow Money Funds to Temporarily Block Investors from Withdrawing Money in Times of Stress"

16:01:15 assbot: trixisowned +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0

16:01:28 benkay: hohoho yes link please, bitcoinpete

16:01:36 bitcoinpete: http://online.wsj.com/articles/sec-to-vote-on-final-money-market-mutual-fund-rules-1406124323

16:01:36 assbot: SEC To Complete Rules Aimed at Reducing Money-Fund Risks - WSJ

16:01:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 23.66675304 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 2058 satoshi per share

16:02:25 kakobrekla: !up trixisowned

16:02:37 trixisowned: neh

16:03:00 trixisowned: just wanted to lol @ https://blockchain.info/charts/balance?address=36PrZ1KHYMpqSyAQXSG8VwbUiq2EogxLo2 together

16:03:01 assbot: Bitcoin Balance of bitcoin address: 36PrZ1KHYMpqSyAQXSG8VwbUiq2EogxLo2

16:05:31 bitcoinpete: trixisowned: myeah. almost passed mastercoin exodus thing of 4740.6200979 BTC

16:05:44 benkay: so. sad.

16:06:33 danielpbarron: https://blockchain.info/address/1CounterpartyXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXUWLpVr

16:06:35 assbot: Bitcoin Address 1CounterpartyXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXUWLpVr

16:06:52 danielpbarron: 2`130.83749757 BTC burned

16:08:28 benkay: "The vote ends more than five years of struggle over how to address structural vulnerabilities in the funds that encourage investors to bolt at the first sign of trouble." LTCM anyone?

16:12:56 ThickAsThieves: SEC Seeks To Install Ponzi Throttle

16:14:43 ThickAsThieves: "Financial Stability Oversight Council, have said such redemption restrictions could spur, rather than curb, investor stampedes." indeed

16:15:16 benkay: ThickAsThieves: http://s1168.photobucket.com/user/alc0nzy/media/IPD_VOLVO_C30_NOS_TANKS.jpg.html

16:15:17 assbot: IPD_VOLVO_C30_NOS_TANKS.jpg Photo by alc0nzy | Photobucket

16:16:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.1411 = 1.2699 BTC [-]

16:16:36 ThickAsThieves: "Under the plan, fund boards would have the discretion to impose redemption fees of up to 2%, or to temporarily halt redemptions altogether, if their weekly pool of cash or cash like assets drops below the agency's required ratio of 30%"

16:17:06 ThickAsThieves: your investments, now 70% off!

16:19:39 ThickAsThieves: ;;bcstats

16:19:42 gribble: Current Blocks: 312136 | Current Difficulty: 1.733631697850783E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 312479 | Next Difficulty In: 343 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 7 hours, 37 minutes, and 17 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 18789848431.7 | Estimated Percent Change: 8.38432

16:21:34 mike_c: is mpex.co going to get fixed ever? or is it just dead.

16:22:17 ThickAsThieves: it's mpex.ws now

16:22:27 ThickAsThieves: and some other one

16:22:34 mike_c: ok. so .co isn't coming back

16:22:48 ThickAsThieves: that i dont know

16:25:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 49 @ 0.01425 = 0.6983 BTC [-]

16:32:37 bitcoinpete: benkay: <mircea_popescu> mike_c stop opposing progress and an end to oppression. // hey have you guys heard about this ICBC auto insurance monopoly in BC? << i think only bc is socialist enough to do this

16:32:51 bitcoinpete: bc wants to be like california and shit

16:33:02 bitcoinpete: with their own little movie industry and everything

16:34:28 bitcoinpete: time to catch up on weird al...

16:36:18 lobbes: the problem I have with weird al nowadays is that I don't even know the songs he is parodying anymore

16:37:59 bitcoinpete: lobbes: sounds more like your problem than his ;)

16:38:14 bitcoinpete: http://vevo.ly/yRwiKB << nice little stab at dogederps

16:39:05 nubbins`: how's it compare to rates in the rest of canada?

16:41:34 bitcoinpete: nubbins`: not too sure

16:46:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 407 @ 0.00277422 = 1.1291 BTC [+] {7}

16:47:24 danielpbarron: bitcoinpete, hahah same here

16:47:42 danielpbarron: weird al was the first artist I ever bought a cd for; I heard his parodies before the originals

16:48:09 danielpbarron: so i guess.. not same here.... heh

16:48:36 danielpbarron: oh, lobbes said that; whoops

16:54:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 341 @ 0.00284852 = 0.9713 BTC [+] {6}

16:54:53 pankkake: $proxies

16:54:56 empyex: pankkake: Proxies: mpex.ws mpex.bz mpex.coinbr.com MPEx-Status: 1060 milliseconds Current MPEx GPG-Key-ID: 02DD2D91

16:55:13 benkay: $mpexlag

16:55:14 empyex: benkay: 561 milliseconds

16:56:26 pankkake: !search goxlag

16:56:27 assbot: 138 results for 'goxlag' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=goxlag

17:03:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 527 @ 0.00285959 = 1.507 BTC [-] {4}

17:04:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 250 @ 0.0028841 = 0.721 BTC [+] {6}

17:12:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 50 @ 0.140384 = 7.0192 BTC [-] {2}

17:19:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.1403 = 0.8418 BTC [-]

17:21:33 benkay: http://opennamesystem.org/

17:21:34 assbot: Open Name System

17:22:43 danielpbarron: neato; is this a Namecoin killer?

17:23:16 benkay: can't say yet need moar read

17:24:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.13374999 = 0.535 BTC [-] {2}

17:26:42 bitcoinpete: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/hello/sense-know-more-sleep-better

17:26:43 assbot: Sense: Know More. Sleep Better. by Hello — Kickstarter

17:27:28 bitcoinpete: "The app tells you how well you slept, or didn't, by giving you a unique Sleep Score each night. You can begin to correlate interruptions in your sleep to external conditions and disturbances. You can play back key sound disturbances via the app to say “Ah, the garbage truck broke my sleep cycle at 3am. I didn’t even realize that.”

17:28:21 bitcoinpete: $99 and it's yours. delivery estimated in november 2014

17:28:34 asciilifeform: bitcoinpete: already done, ages ago, by various vendors ('zeo' - now defunct - had a fairly good machine.)

17:29:31 bitcoinpete: nao with apps!

17:30:05 xmj: eo was nice

17:30:07 xmj: zeo* was nice

17:30:13 bitcoinpete: http://www.forbes.com/sites/alicetruong/2012/02/24/battle-of-the-zzzs-how-zeos-sleep-monitors-stack-up/

17:30:13 assbot: Battle of the Zzzs: How Zeo's Sleep Monitors Stack Up - Forbes

17:30:32 xmj: It's really really sad Zeo went bust.

17:33:14 asciilifeform: the funny part is that wearing the electrodes utterly destroyed my sleep quality. and, on the other hand, the variants without electrodes ('actigraph' gadgets) are junk - they can only distinguish 'REM' from other phases of sleep, but nothing more.

17:37:33 danielpbarron: bitcoinpete, i already have a free app that does that sort of thing.. ended up deleting it because too many apps

17:38:09 bitcoinpete: ya i once used one too

17:38:18 danielpbarron: it figures it out based on your movements as you sleep

17:38:24 bitcoinpete: but it only worked on my old spring mattress

17:38:34 bitcoinpete: foam soaks up all the vibrations

17:38:46 danielpbarron: i used it with success on a sofa

17:39:02 bitcoinpete: and by vibrations i mean tossing and turning

17:39:10 bitcoinpete: danielpbarron: ya i could see that

17:43:02 asciilifeform: reminds me of a legend (forgot where i heard it, perhaps even here.)

17:43:26 asciilifeform: one fellow, (said to have lived in romania) built piezos into his bed legs

17:43:31 asciilifeform: and logged pressure

17:44:14 asciilifeform: one day he went on a long journey, and when came back, discovered that max(weight) > him + wife.

17:46:30 asciilifeform: whether he stayed awake in school math and had the sense to look at the actual waveform (perhaps wife was fond of jumping on the bed?) before divorcing, i do not know.

17:47:27 bitcoinpete: lol

17:48:09 bitcoinpete: sorta like othello with the handkerchief

17:48:31 bitcoinpete: she had to be cheatin!

17:54:22 bitcoinpete: "But for those who missed out on getting in on Bitcoin early, Ethereum's launch represents something of another chance."

17:54:29 bitcoinpete: http://www.businessinsider.com/ethereum-launches-ether-2014-7 << says it all

17:54:29 assbot: Ethereum Launches Ether - Business Insider

17:54:55 benkay: I WAS JUST SAYING THIS

17:55:55 pankkake: and I said it before you all, about all altcoins :)

17:56:59 benkay: cept i guess "there will never be another {silicon,internet,bitcoin}" doesn't push views

17:57:34 bitcoinpete: and it's only fair if everyone gets rich!

17:57:59 mike_c: we are all above average drivers.

17:58:22 bitcoinpete: with above average cocks

17:58:33 mike_c: except the irish

17:58:54 bitcoinpete: pretty sure the irish have below average everything

17:59:16 bitcoinpete: but what do i know

17:59:52 bitcoinpete: well i know that this is hirarious: "Big Trend Capital Investment (HASH): We are engaged as a distributor of mining products and a novel mining service. We primarily service retail customers through storefronts such as Amazon, EBay, and our own eStore at BuyAHash.com."

17:59:55 bitcoinpete: https://www.havelockinvestments.com/fund.php?symbol=HASH

17:59:56 assbot: Havelock Investments

17:59:56 pankkake: never another silicon?

17:59:59 bitcoinpete: dat ipo

18:00:34 bitcoinpete: and i'm off. later!

18:01:03 pankkake: but indeed, there will never be another internet. especially with ipv6

18:04:28 benkay: i mean the kind of sociocultural upheaval that accompanied silicon and then the internet, and will eventually fall out of bitcoin, pankkake

18:04:57 benkay: centralization of markets resulting in companies like ebay

18:07:30 benkay: danielpbarron: the little reading i've done suggests that it's not a namecoin killer, as that'd require...studying existing solutions and then doing it better. i've yet to find much support fot eh notion that the folks involved have done any research at all yet.

18:07:40 benkay: "As of yet, no work has been done on adding support for blockchain domains to ONS and the ONS command line tools."

18:11:15 pankkake: ugh, it's onename.io

18:11:23 pankkake: they just do the same, but less, and worse

18:11:44 thestringpuller: naemcoin is kinda cool tho

18:11:46 pankkake: and they're really misleading users

18:12:15 thestringpuller: OneName.io = facebook with gpg

18:12:27 thestringpuller: didn't this already go down with keybase.io ?

18:20:01 benkay: keybase wanted your 'encrypted' private keys.

18:20:42 asciilifeform: self-service gasenwagen. wave of the future. amazing! technology.

18:20:42 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

18:38:21 benkay: man the derp brigade is out in force today

18:38:22 benkay: https://www.provetrust.com/

18:38:22 assbot: ProveTrust

18:39:02 benkay: "play good with others" lost art of grammar

18:40:20 pankkake: because no one can fake a facebook account

18:40:47 benkay: quite the deep learners

18:41:09 pankkake: and confusing trust (what businesses want) and identity verification (what the tax man wants)

18:42:22 pankkake: http://www.reddit.com/r/greatapes omg, sometimes reddit delivers

18:42:23 assbot: reddit.com: over 18?

18:43:05 benkay: countdown to sub termination: 10...

18:44:01 pankkake: https://i.imgur.com/bVojk6K.jpg

18:45:00 asciilifeform: benkay: sham-wots are as inevitable as shamchains.

18:45:34 asciilifeform: they taste great together. like der fuhrer's walther and cyanide capsule.

19:29:25 thestringpuller: benkay: i like how many companies are appearing that can just be subverted with the WoT.

19:30:44 benkay: i don't. it's a phenomenal waste of human capital.

19:32:28 thestringpuller: just cattle. let them die off; we can scavenge the refuse for useful stuff afterwards.

19:36:59 midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: I found that labour-intensive salt cooking reference I mentioned the other day: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRHNa9qdtlw#t=1096

19:36:59 assbot: A bite of China English subtitles EP1 The Gift of the Nature - YouTube

19:42:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 9407 @ 0.00005999 = 0.5643 BTC [+] {2}

19:48:13 benkay: <thestringpuller> just cattle. let them die off; we can scavenge the refuse for useful stuff afterwards. // biodiesel

19:58:52 fluffypony: mircea_popescu could be the largest æthereum holder with ease, yo - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=563925.msg7991275#msg7991275

19:58:52 assbot: [RFC] thereum: a turing-complete coin distributed as per bitcoin's blockchain

20:00:44 thestringpuller: so Ethereum tx script's are turing complete?

20:00:50 thestringpuller: that sounds slightly dangerous on some levels...

20:00:58 fluffypony: yes - this is æthereum tho

20:01:29 thestringpuller: ~_~ @_@ <.<;; I don't know and have no opinion.

20:01:39 fluffypony: which, from what I understand, is a fork that lets you just pick up the æthereum equivalent of your BTC balance

20:01:42 thestringpuller: except that Taaki is not a "bitcoin legend" >:(

20:01:52 fluffypony: needs moar hero worships

20:39:19 mircea_popescu: Pierre_Rochard:mircea_popescu: permission to republish? << well, no. an article is one thing, but wholesale copying of fraudsters serves little purpose. put up an adnotated article list if you want, that seems to serve your purpose better, or if not do commentary on the individual articles

20:41:07 mircea_popescu: nubbins`: mthreat: do yourself a favor and stop drinking charbucks << talking to ex-us-mil guy, "i'll tell you what starbucks is. back in the force, they'd make these largish tanks of coffee at the crack of down, keep them on reheat, throw them out at night. starbucks is pretty much like a drink out of that tank right before it getting thrown out. which is why they put all the cream and crap into it : gotta try and mas

20:41:07 mircea_popescu: k the badly burnt coffee"

20:42:16 mircea_popescu: nubbins`:"i live in a place with stylish young people, independent women, and those who care about our natural environment. it's a real drag." << i can see it.

20:45:11 chetty: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-23/argentina-debt-mediation-goes-surreal-neither-side-turns-meeting-black-market-peso-t

20:45:19 Pierre_Rochard: mircea_popescu: understood, we’ll go the annotated article list route

20:47:27 mircea_popescu: chetty for the record, the peso was trading 12.2 - 12.7 yesterday

20:47:38 mircea_popescu: so their graphs are the usual crap.

20:48:16 mircea_popescu: also it never touched 12.x in march, talking out of ass these ppls.

20:48:51 chetty: yeah well people talk street price kinda need a street :P

20:50:07 mthreat: chetty, mircea_popescu I got 12.2 pesos per USD 2 hours ago

20:50:19 mircea_popescu: mthreat exactly.

20:50:37 mthreat: to pay for bad coffee

20:51:05 mircea_popescu: mthreat actually i see it's 12.3x atm.

20:51:12 chetty: mthreat, seriously stay out of chatbucks, will rot your gut

20:51:47 mthreat: ya, i usually get under the top "blue rate", but my cueva hasn't given me fake money

20:51:52 mircea_popescu: pankkake: and in multiple bitcoin clients << i never bothered to get a client myself so there's that.

20:52:03 mircea_popescu: mthreat i've not yet had a fake bill either.

20:52:20 mircea_popescu: in about... i dunno, a bagful or so.

20:52:21 mthreat: mircea_popescu maybe the cost of production is > than the value heh

20:52:29 mircea_popescu: money here's a real joke, largest bill ~$8

20:52:40 chetty: I am thinking fake bills are a myth

20:52:55 mircea_popescu: mthreat they're printing like crazy for sure, tho. usually i get ~40% new bills, but the last few buys i got 80-100% new bills.

20:53:12 mthreat: sounds like the US :)

20:53:13 mircea_popescu: chetty just, cheaper for the govt to print em than for the independent crooks

20:53:19 mircea_popescu: so they drive them out of biz.

20:54:38 mircea_popescu: benkay: or is that not actually a text file? << hasn't been a texrfile for all of two years.

20:55:13 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves:

20:55:14 mircea_popescu: so no way to short it << im shorting it.

20:55:29 BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/congressedits/status/492027099499462657

20:55:40 BingoBoingo: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=618163698&oldid=617800185

20:55:43 assbot: Reptilians: Difference between revisions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

20:56:30 mircea_popescu: it does allow you to go into a technical short, by buying the future and selling your spot, if you hold any.

20:56:40 mircea_popescu: but this is a point of finesse

20:57:02 mircea_popescu: (basically it ensures that no institutionals will be holding eth today for the purpose of satysfying a mid or long term goal, is all)

20:57:12 BingoBoingo: %t

20:57:14 atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 210 Ask: 239 Last Price: 239 24h-Vol: 114k High: 239 Low: 210 VWAP: 222

20:57:22 chetty: http://uncoverobamacare.com/undercover-federal-agents-find-it-incredibly-easy-to-defraud-obamacare/

20:57:23 assbot: Uncover Obamacare | 11 of 12 Undercover Federal Agents Find It Incredibly Easy to Defraud ObamaCare

20:57:30 BingoBoingo: %ob

20:57:31 atcbot: 18k@242 47k@240 2k@239 | 140k@210 200k@202 45k@201

20:58:41 BingoBoingo: http://www.bizjournals.com/tampabay/blog/morning-edition/2014/07/5-reasons-the-bitcoin-bowl-is-good-for-tampa-bays.html

20:58:42 assbot: 5 reasons the Bitcoin Bowl is good for Tampa Bay's tech scene - Tampa Bay Business Journal

20:58:59 BingoBoingo: ^ Note BitPay isn't in Tampa Bay

21:01:19 BingoBoingo: benkay> <mircea_popescu> <pankkake> well, he has the private key, but I have it too. not smart :p << omg BingoBoingo WHAT HAVE YOU DUN NAO // yeah, i'm also curious as to what's going on here << OMG Opsec fail

21:01:32 mircea_popescu: course no institutionals would have bought any anyway, but as a point of principle.

21:02:32 rithm: what is ether scam

21:03:02 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: i think the best part about the offer is it's potential to disrupt the live offering << no, the best part is pulling the rug from under the scammer's feet quite unexplectedly.

21:03:13 mircea_popescu: now it's quite clear they';re recycling some borrowed btc as "investments".

21:03:22 ThickAsThieves: you say the same thing as me

21:03:26 ThickAsThieves: just meaner

21:03:31 ThickAsThieves: ;)

21:03:32 mircea_popescu: now that may be :D

21:04:23 rithm: https://balances.io/

21:04:24 assbot: Balances All your digital currency balances in one place.

21:04:24 mircea_popescu: ironically enough, doge i've been selling. eth, none.

21:04:34 rithm: looks neat if wasn't a three letter honeypot

21:04:35 mircea_popescu: ;;refresh

21:04:35 gribble: Order refresh successful, 2 orders refreshed.

21:05:57 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves:

21:05:57 mircea_popescu: and it's an audience that hates mp, soooo, fat chance << you know how many of these there've been, over the years ? and how painfully and mean-ly they've been humiliated ?

21:06:05 mircea_popescu: startin' all the way to the good ol' boys of glbse and so on.

21:06:12 mircea_popescu: zee bitcoin bankerz cartel,

21:06:26 mircea_popescu: good times.

21:06:49 pankkake: rithm: you can do watch-only with most clients now

21:07:24 rithm: i know so i'm not sure what it accomplishes other than intel gathering and noob convenience

21:07:52 mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/1000/republicans-win-majority-of-the-u-s-senate/

21:07:52 assbot: BitBet - Republicans win majority of the U.S. Senate :: 1.07 B (71%) on Yes, 0.43 B (29%) on No | closing in 3 months 1 week| weight: 98`238 (100`000 to 1)

21:07:59 mircea_popescu: srsly ? rep majority ? i tell you i dun see it.

21:08:03 pankkake: I think you can do it already with blockchain.info too

21:08:19 ThickAsThieves: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=339417.msg7988372#msg7988372

21:08:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] (HIF) Havelock Investments Fund

21:08:27 mircea_popescu: a) how the fuck are conservatives going to make electoral gains in populist times and b) who the fuck do the republicans even represent anymore, they've lost the teaparty.

21:09:06 pankkake: by not being conservatives, but some random nutjob thing

21:09:20 ThickAsThieves: they represent sameness

21:09:29 ThickAsThieves: democrat is change

21:09:32 ThickAsThieves: change is bad

21:09:44 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i liked https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=339417.msg7918899#msg7918899 better.

21:09:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] (HIF) Havelock Investments Fund

21:10:00 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves the way the us is going, anything's better than sameness.

21:10:13 ThickAsThieves: i'm speaking for the masses of course

21:10:15 ThickAsThieves: not myself

21:10:21 ThickAsThieves: change is dope

21:10:26 mircea_popescu: after 8 years of "we can do it" and "change nao" i doubt you can find any broad group that's of the oppinion things can continue as they are.

21:10:46 mircea_popescu: this is the major advantage for the fucktarded socialists : once la revolucion starts it fucks up things so badly people want a revolution.

21:10:49 mircea_popescu: and so... permanence!

21:12:25 mircea_popescu: http://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/2bfwaw/mircea_popescu_offers_a_short_of_etherium_coins/cj5e00i lol

21:12:26 assbot: Bitcoin_Error_Log comments on Mircea Popescu offers a short of Etherium coins up to 1 KiloBTC's worth at 5000 per BTC deliverable in 2015

21:12:39 mircea_popescu: "i can't imagine xyz" is now an argument.

21:13:22 rithm: mp have you sullied yourself in this ether scamcoin

21:13:35 mircea_popescu: how ?

21:14:21 rithm: obv i'm skimming

21:14:36 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: Sexy Saffron better not tell reddit she's an mp employee << that's okay, the only thing that's keeping derppit from a collective headexploy is all the shit their collective dumbass doesn't know.

21:14:40 mircea_popescu: o sorry. "can't imagine".

21:15:28 ThickAsThieves: lol

21:15:37 mircea_popescu: pigeons: hey mircea_popescu I havent followed, but i saw you are selling eth foward contract or similar. I wanted to suggest putting something similar on mpex, i think that would do well << i asked, people lol'd. which is why it's in otc.

21:15:46 ThickAsThieves: true philosophers

21:15:50 rithm: so you are selling 5000 ether, deliverable in 2015, for 1 BTC now?

21:15:54 rithm: it's genius

21:16:18 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i was chuckling at the buttcoin treatment earlier, "let's look at things from the position that popularity matters and then get all aggitated when nothing makes sense".

21:16:24 mircea_popescu: rithm ty.

21:16:45 pigeons: is there a built-in mechanism for these suckers, i mean people to trade their ether before/if the production network ever comes out?

21:17:00 mircea_popescu: pigeons afaik, no.

21:17:09 ThickAsThieves: from what i read, the ETH is in total lockdown til it's released

21:17:09 pigeons: that's why i was thinking an mpex listing would be nice, people could trade it

21:17:09 mircea_popescu: a scam doesn't work very well in the open.

21:17:25 rithm: but it doesn't exist yet to be traded

21:17:37 pigeons: its aptly named i guess

21:17:39 rithm: there's not a working implementation is there?

21:17:45 rithm: like an ethereumd

21:17:52 BingoBoingo: http://www.tedunangst.com/flak/post/sorry-this-gif-is-not-available-in-your-browser

21:17:52 assbot: sorry this gif is not available in your browser

21:17:54 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: if any of them took the trouble to write something interesting (e.g. system analogous to the original btc but of proper, rather than 'power ranger' quality) and resisted the temptation of premine shenanigans, etc. - but no. <<< quite.

21:17:55 pigeons: i had some esther or something the other day, it wasnt ether but it worked in the same manner

21:17:55 ThickAsThieves: no, "winter 2014/15"

21:18:11 rithm: pigeons, yeah perfect name

21:18:25 rithm: calling it ether almost seems like expert troll

21:18:25 pigeons: rithm: there is a testnet that executes contracts, but themining alogirthm will change when they decide to make one up

21:18:26 mircea_popescu: pigeons i grew up with a one lb bottle of liquid ether in my chemistry lab. tru story.

21:18:40 pigeons: lost of other stuff will change when they get around to making it up as well

21:18:47 ThickAsThieves: ethereum ‏@ethereumproject 2m

21:18:48 ThickAsThieves: The only location to purchase ether is http://j.mp/1nkJeYG - Any other website, emails, skype, twitter, etc are scams.

21:18:48 assbot: ethereum

21:18:55 ThickAsThieves: heh

21:19:09 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves lulz

21:19:14 rithm: nice pretty site, dancing logo, buy now

21:19:15 ThickAsThieves: you are scams

21:19:22 mircea_popescu: scammors calling things scamz nao.

21:19:39 mircea_popescu: this is like so 2012 all over again.

21:19:45 mircea_popescu: hey SEC ? where the fuck is your dumb ass baby ?

21:20:02 rithm: but ethereum has no plans to "integrate" or use the bitcoin blockchain for any type of verification, right?

21:20:09 rithm: it's a totally new alt-chain implementation

21:20:14 mircea_popescu: we will definitely have a showdown over all this crap one of these days. and as to why james gibson & his merry scammer friends are stil on the street.

21:20:17 rithm: do i understand that correctly?

21:20:17 benkay: <mircea_popescu> Pierre_Rochard:mircea_popescu: permission to republish? << well, no. an article is one thing, but wholesale copying of fraudsters serves little purpose. put up an adnotated article list if you want, that seems to serve your purpose better, or if not do commentary on the individual articles // think talmud

21:20:19 mircea_popescu: and to the rest of em. lube up.

21:20:46 mircea_popescu: here i am, by my lonesome, trying to keep some semblance of discipline,

21:20:52 pigeons: rithm: correct

21:20:58 mircea_popescu: while the usg is busy drinking chateau lafitte out of the taxpayer's moneyz.

21:21:00 mircea_popescu: for shame.

21:21:41 benkay: <mircea_popescu> benkay: or is that not actually a text file? << hasn't been a texrfile for all of two years. // cult of complexity

21:21:51 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: mpex.wallstreet << bingo.

21:21:52 rithm: ...and the reason being the turingincompletedness of bitcoin

21:22:04 rithm: i don't seeing having the value bitcoin has

21:22:15 rithm: chisel that in stone in your logs

21:22:30 rithm: * idon't see it

21:22:43 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: no shortage of possible experiments to choose from (e.g. Lamportian 67% theoretical maximum threshold << that's not the good part. the good part is a better chaining methodology.

21:24:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8100 @ 0.00079777 = 6.4619 BTC [-]

21:24:08 benkay: what are the flaws of the current chaining methodology, mircea_popescu ?

21:24:27 ThickAsThieves: ohnoes coindesk commenter has burned me: "I wish i could see your stupid face in about 10 years when almost every interaction you have with an electronic device relies on a decentralized blockchain.. "we don't need smart contracts" haha are you for real!? "

21:24:27 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu pigeons i grew up with a one lb bottle of liquid ether in my chemistry lab. tru story. << do I dare ask what you did with said ether?

21:24:36 ThickAsThieves: mah stupid face!

21:25:30 mircea_popescu: benkay you read the http://fraudsters.com/2013/bitcoin-prices-bitcoin-inflexibility/#comment-92015 ?

21:25:31 assbot: Bitcoin prices, Bitcoin inflexibility pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

21:25:43 ThickAsThieves: "I think smart contracts are pretty revolutionary, and once they're commonplace we'll all wonder how we got along without them." this is people responding to me asking wtf will actually use it

21:25:44 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves does the guy have a name ?

21:26:03 ThickAsThieves: http://www.coindesk.com/ethereum-launches-ether-coin-millions-already-sold/

21:26:03 assbot: Ethereum Launches Own 'Ether' Coin, With Millions Already Sold

21:26:07 ThickAsThieves: the commenter?

21:26:09 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller it's a major feedstock for a number of organic chemistry reactions.

21:26:11 mircea_popescu: i also burned some

21:26:16 mircea_popescu: i didn't actually huff it

21:26:19 ThickAsThieves: no, he posted as Some R Dumb

21:26:20 mircea_popescu: but i did put out a cat a number of times.

21:26:46 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves well clearly if "he thinks" and "he can't see" your dumb face he wins the internets.

21:27:19 ThickAsThieves: "Instead of making a "You guys just don't understand how big this is going to be" comment, why don't you tell us what your plans involve so we get a better idea of what ethereum is? " ~smarter commenter

21:27:31 ThickAsThieves: response:

21:27:33 ThickAsThieves: I sincerely apologize. My comment was directed at the user who said that no one would want or need this. I cant get into specifics on what we are working on but here are a few questions that spring into mind.

21:27:33 ThickAsThieves: Who is going to be the facebook of ethereum?

21:27:44 ThickAsThieves: Who is going to be the google of ethereum? (well... lets not kid ourselves... probably google on that one)

21:27:46 mircea_popescu: lmao

21:27:52 ThickAsThieves: there's more...

21:27:52 mircea_popescu: so wait, is ths ninjashoguncoin ?

21:27:53 ThickAsThieves: lol

21:27:58 mike_c: ;;seen the20year

21:27:58 gribble: the20year was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 2 days, 3 hours, 14 minutes, and 55 seconds ago: <the20year> nubbins`: i sent you my address

21:28:03 ThickAsThieves: fukn hilarious people

21:28:15 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves if that's how you call terminal retards.

21:28:29 ThickAsThieves: this is the first timei'm upvoting things i disagree with

21:28:32 ThickAsThieves: just too awesome

21:29:37 mircea_popescu: o which reminds me : funny notice in local quikmart : "esta terminantemente prohibido la venta a menores de 18 anos"

21:30:39 mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete: "SEC To Complete Rules Aimed at Reducing Money-Fund Risks: Plan Would Allow Money Funds to Temporarily Block Investors from Withdrawing Money in Times of Stress" << epic.

21:30:58 mircea_popescu: sec to announce partnership with bitcoin scammers next, to fight terrorism and other stresses.

21:31:49 ThickAsThieves: Draper will be on Colbert tonight, prepare for derpy bitcoin jokez

21:32:36 mircea_popescu: mike_c: is mpex.co going to get fixed ever? or is it just dead. << nah will come bax

21:32:48 ThickAsThieves: we got yo bitcoinz bitchez! https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BtPmdawCQAI7LKA.jpg

21:32:49 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves which one is draper again ?

21:32:53 mike_c: too late, i changed all my links. it's dead to me :)

21:32:55 ThickAsThieves: the SR auction weiner

21:32:58 mircea_popescu: the guy that didn't manage to buy some bitcoins and also had a sextape ?

21:33:07 mircea_popescu: is he going with nicole richie ?

21:33:18 ThickAsThieves: only time will tell!

21:33:22 mircea_popescu: mike_c worx.

21:33:53 benkay: <mircea_popescu> benkay you read the http://fraudsters.com/2013/bitcoin-prices-bitcoin-inflexibility/#comment-92015 ? // read it yes, but the context?

21:33:54 assbot: Bitcoin prices, Bitcoin inflexibility pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

21:33:54 mircea_popescu: lobbes: the problem I have with weird al nowadays is that I don't even know the songs he is parodying anymore << this is because you've stopped fucking teenagers.

21:34:07 mircea_popescu: benkay you were asking how to improve the blockchain.

21:34:24 pigeons: don't forget the child porn and drug trafficicking to go with the terrorism. oh and file-sharing

21:34:25 benkay: ah.

21:34:54 ThickAsThieves: “I give bitcoin 12 to 18 months before its fate will be decided by lawmakers. We don’t have a lot of time to tackle these issues, and if we don’t, bitcoin will be narrowed down to a hobbyist niche and not a true industry.” ~ Perianne Boring

21:34:58 mircea_popescu: benkay: can't say yet need moar read << pls let the group know.

21:35:08 benkay: keep reading, boss

21:35:10 mircea_popescu: ;;rated bitcoingirl

21:35:10 gribble: You have not yet rated user bitcoingirl

21:35:22 ThickAsThieves: “There’s nobody else in DC that cares about bitcoin, bitcoin has a terrible reputation, people are scared to touch it, nobody wants to be involved with it, and a lot of it is a lack of understanding.”

21:35:34 mircea_popescu: ;;rate bitcoingirl -1 Absolutely unbearably clueless, self promoting dumb broad.

21:35:35 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of -1 for user bitcoingirl has been recorded.

21:36:15 mircea_popescu: they are going to be A LOT more scared, i'm getting a "get in touch" program out for politicians.

21:36:25 mircea_popescu: this scared is nothing.

21:36:34 BingoBoingo: ;;gettrust assbot bitcoingirl

21:36:34 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user bitcoingirl: Level 1: 0, Level 2: -1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=bitcoingirl | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=bitcoingirl | Rated since: Wed Jul 23 17:35:32 2014

21:37:08 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: chaining methodology << sure. and ten other things.

21:37:16 mircea_popescu: yeah.

21:37:31 ThickAsThieves: Amagi Metals, Inc ‏@AmagiMetals 5h

21:37:31 ThickAsThieves: Amagi no longer accepting Dogecoin: https://www.amagimetals.com/info/amagi-metals-no-longer-accepting-dogecoin/ … #dogecoin #muchsad #crypto

21:37:39 mircea_popescu: anyway, i was originally thinking bitcoin-the-prototype needs to run about five years before actual iteration is worth contemplating

21:37:47 mircea_popescu: that'd be up in about six months. so by all means.

21:38:20 benkay: hm.

21:38:48 benkay: cross-chain wallet for alphacoinz was on my personal roadmap

21:39:07 thestringpuller: #shibelyfe

21:39:43 *: asciilifeform whispers 'btc in silico'

21:40:38 mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete: $99 and it's yours. delivery estimated in november 2014 << expensive, but it's not actually a bad idea.

21:41:33 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, bitcoinpete: just an old idea. as in, hardware you can actually buy.

21:41:53 mircea_popescu: most good ideas are old

21:42:01 mircea_popescu: they get older as fucktards chase the mba train of spam.

21:43:21 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: before divorcing, i do not know. << why divorce the woman just because she's getting exercise ?

21:43:47 mircea_popescu: benkay: I WAS JUST SAYING THIS << basically doge opened the way for "mainstream" media shilling.

21:44:03 mircea_popescu: now all these unemployable fuckwits with business insider blogs and whatnot expect a coupla hundred to tout the next scam.

21:44:39 mircea_popescu: i guess in a sense this is just the unavoidable effect of their irrelevant impotence. "if you can't do something useful anyway, might as well make a buck doing something pointless"

21:45:10 mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete: pretty sure the irish have below average everything <<< irish chicks have above average to epic freckles.

21:46:26 mircea_popescu: benkay: keybase wanted your 'encrypted' private keys. << oh such lulz.

21:47:01 mircea_popescu: Secure connection: fatal error (552) https://www.provetrust.com/ << i guess it's been proven.

21:47:01 assbot: ProveTrust

21:48:43 mircea_popescu: http://i.imgur.com/8jD4GV5.jpg

21:49:27 mircea_popescu: goes well with http://whiteslavebcn.tumblr.com/

21:49:28 assbot: white slave bcn

21:49:40 mircea_popescu: http://inferiorcracker.tumblr.com/ etc.

21:49:41 assbot: white slave for Black

21:54:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 801 @ 0.00297861 = 2.3859 BTC [+] {8}

21:55:23 mircea_popescu: benkay: i don't. it's a phenomenal waste of human capital. << there is no such thing as "waste" of human capital any more han there's waste of carbon. it's an element, whatever it gets used for is just fine.

21:56:05 mircea_popescu: fluffypony: mircea_popescu could be the largest ?thereum holder <<< could is such a majik word.

21:56:27 mircea_popescu: midnightmagic a bit more marketing in that than i'd be looking for.

21:57:36 fluffypony: coulda-would-shoulda

21:57:55 fluffypony: it's sorta like first-biggest-best

21:58:53 mircea_popescu: anyway, the part where there's 500 ether aethereum ethereum etc is certainly helpful.

21:59:08 mircea_popescu: one of the reason girls trying to break into porn have to work so hard is that there's so damned many of them

22:00:01 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller: except that Taaki is not a "bitcoin legend" >:( <<< i beg to differ. taaki is a bitcoin legend : http://fraudsters.com/2012/amir-taaki-has-done-and-continues-to-do-huge-disservice-to-anyone-serious-involved-in-bitcoin/

22:00:03 assbot: Amir Taaki has done, and continues to do, huge disservice to anyone serious involved in Bitcoin. pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

22:00:05 mircea_popescu: he's legendary stupid.

22:05:21 mircea_popescu: http://33.media.tumblr.com/b51c7167d6ec495a7a109df4056504c3/tumblr_n81s5bghWL1rl2t88o1_500.jpg << o look what i found

22:09:24 *: dub looks for the unsee button

22:10:48 pigeons: yeah like i shouldnt already know better than to click one of mircea_popescu's links

22:13:33 benkay: http://localbitcoins.smshost.biz/

22:13:34 assbot: Check if your bitcoin private key was leaked

22:17:42 fluffypony: lol

22:17:54 kakobrekla: if balance is greater than 0, it was not.

22:18:07 kakobrekla: now mp sez but smart hacker will wait for mo monies.

22:18:14 kakobrekla: and kako sez http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-07-2014#765707

22:18:14 assbot: #bitcoin-assets log

22:27:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 279 @ 0.00432511 = 1.2067 BTC [-] {7}

22:31:05 mircea_popescu: i r not say anything.

22:31:36 dub: mike_c: no. 1) pick a girl. 2) she picks the date mike_c: 3) she starts planning for 6 months

22:31:39 dub: truth

22:32:52 mircea_popescu: you're all a buncha pussies.

22:33:22 mike_c: yeah, a REAL man picks his own wedding date :p

22:33:44 mircea_popescu: a real man weds chuck morris.

22:34:12 mike_c: chuck norris will now destroy b-a because you got his name wrong.

22:36:42 dub: she just finalised our venue, twas all I could do to drag it back to 300km away from 10000km

22:37:00 mike_c: your friends and family thank you for your efforts.

22:37:01 mircea_popescu: lol r/SA has now established that i am not smart, all my good points are repackaged from someone else.

22:37:20 mircea_popescu: my sides. i imagine libertards are smart in entirely novel, innovative ways, right ? because such a thing can ever be :D

22:37:48 dub: wait, something awful has a reddit?

22:38:08 mircea_popescu: i am thankful for the internet for this, by the way. before every idiot had a voice, the world was less amusing, and the reasons why the poor must be whipped daily less obvious.

22:38:15 mircea_popescu: dub http://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/2bge40/im_crying_with_joy_over_here_my_toes_are_curling/

22:38:16 assbot: Im crying with joy over here, my toes are curling in untold glee, I have little doubt that I shall live to see this, all of it. : Buttcoin

22:38:25 mircea_popescu: after they sold buttcoins.org to bfl they moved to reddit.

22:40:02 mircea_popescu: anyway, the person i'm repackaging is christos ballas, which kind-of informs as to the depth of intelligence the core of us libertards has at its disposal : they can dig as deep as about the past coupla months, and that's that.

22:40:18 mike_c: lol, sometimes they get one right: "Christ almighty. Can you summarize that in like a few thousand words?"

22:40:22 mircea_popescu: i guess it works fine for most blogs, which really aren't much deeper than that, and definitely for most perianne borings, which... yeah.

22:40:33 mircea_popescu: mike_c i suspek that's unintentional.

22:40:43 mike_c: blind squirrel etc.

22:41:09 mircea_popescu: anyway, i guess my knowing who they are and who they fucked and all the dirt makes this an unequal contest and therefore me racist or somesuch.

22:42:05 mircea_popescu: "Yeah, certainly not every Bitcoiner is a redpiller.

22:42:06 mircea_popescu: As far as my observations go, I think there are many idealists, but they are a bit complicit in that these fuckers aren't shouted down or ejected because they are "of the community"."

22:42:25 mircea_popescu: i mean check out that beauty. "what, mp can eject each and every reddit communitard if he so chooses ?!?! not possibru!!!

22:42:37 mircea_popescu: because reality is by consensus and power is by headcount!!! LIBERTARDIA!!!!"

22:43:39 mircea_popescu: i thot they still teach in those social pseudosciences just how informative one's apparent assumptions are. i guess nobody does psychology seriously since the pills huh.

22:50:11 BingoBoingo: OMG we better not tell /r/Buttcoin who started linking TLP up in here...

22:53:28 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i got a lulz out of their scummy apology/explanation as to how they sold the domain to bfl.

22:53:48 mircea_popescu: typical "whoddunit/not me" infantilism. it was a mistake but we're not really stupid, we did it for the cash but we're not really desperate,

22:54:02 mircea_popescu: it's like the talking points of the lost generations. they did it "ironically".

22:55:42 BingoBoingo: It really is some magic, thinking they can talk something to death, but then actually damaging everything by selling out to the worst actor in the space they derped against for so long.

22:56:00 mircea_popescu: #freenode is terminally fucking braindamaged. a year ago they stopped taking donations because "it was too much effort". since then i've been trying to get them a server up. pretty much zero interest.

22:56:08 mircea_popescu: there's just no way this shit can survive on the mid term.

22:56:36 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i suspect the reasoning here is that "bfl is bad for bitcoin" and so therefore selling to them is "bad for bitcoin" and so it's a smart move.

22:56:48 mircea_popescu: too stupid to evaluate the compound errors in there.

22:58:19 hanbot: mircea_popescu aww, nobody's hated on me like that (reddit) in a while

22:58:32 BingoBoingo: All the while they forget that in the past year BFL has went from being bad for Bitcoin to merely being bad for a certain kind of people who want into Bitcoin and probably ought to begin buying pre-order lube

22:58:53 hanbot: mp gets all the bitches

23:00:14 mircea_popescu: basically, bfl is essentially bad for... them.

23:00:40 mircea_popescu: it makes all its money out of exploiting the erroneous mindset that derps matter and groups work.

23:01:06 mircea_popescu: as the old saying goes, a man deserves the life he choses.

23:02:20 BingoBoingo: I guess if there is one thing to learn from a year and a half of Havelol's history it is that Bitcoin also seems to be killing the veil of corporate protection as a formal construct https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=339417.msg7987373#msg7987373

23:02:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] (HIF) Havelock Investments Fund

23:08:43 benkay: <dub> she just finalised our venue, twas all I could do to drag it back to 300km away from 10000km // sucker - i had mine in the backyard of the house in which i grew up.

23:08:59 benkay: which just so happens to be six blocks from my current residence.

23:10:53 benkay: lolk so what did bitcoingirl do to piss you off, mircea_popescu ?

23:14:39 dub: we're in a backyard too, for the portion that isn't on the beach

23:15:06 BingoBoingo: benkay: Have you seen what Ms Boring has been writing lately?

23:17:18 benkay: no i tuned out a long time ago

23:17:24 benkay: link me to great lulz plox

23:17:34 dub: albeit a $1000/night backyard

23:18:33 benkay: yeah, but it's not the backyard of your childhood and also you're paying for it.

23:18:59 mike_c: you also pay for it if you don't give her the wedding she wants.

23:19:27 benkay: boring and company llc doesn't even register on google, wtf

23:19:35 dub: there are far too many backyards of my childhood and few of them meet the >10000km away requisite

23:19:39 benkay: sheeeeeit you give them the wedding?

23:19:46 dub: <*

23:19:50 benkay: what happened to the dowry?

23:21:08 BingoBoingo: benkay: Basically Ms. Boring forked the foundation taking a stronger stand in favor of "Let's all just surrender to the State more and faster now, k thx"

23:22:10 benkay: yes but links please, BingoBoingo

23:22:41 BingoBoingo: http://www.coindesk.com/perianne-boring-regulators-will-decide-bitcoins-fate-within-18-months/

23:22:41 assbot: Perianne Boring: Regulators Will Decide Bitcoin's Fate Within 18 Months

23:23:03 BingoBoingo: ^ I dunno what could mistate things worse

23:23:09 mircea_popescu: benkay just being her usual dumb self.

23:23:23 mircea_popescu: hanbot wait, what did they say ?

23:23:30 benkay: gotta love how her face is the lede

23:23:48 mircea_popescu: http://33.media.tumblr.com/7d805745fa357a95aa9f05ec5f921eec/tumblr_mpv5gu5An11rfcxy6o1_500.gif

23:23:51 mircea_popescu: gif related.

23:24:13 benkay: intern for the white house?

23:24:16 benkay: hue hue hue hue hue

23:24:17 benkay: man

23:24:43 benkay: the joke there is that nobody saw how dumb of an idea claiming to be a pretty young intern at the white house is

23:24:46 mircea_popescu: forgeddaboutit.

23:24:57 dub: whats the op called where they send in fuckable chicks to get ammunition on targets ala assange?

23:25:36 benkay: wow you guys actually read coindesk

23:25:59 mircea_popescu: so my... conventional munitions alarm went off.

23:26:13 mircea_popescu: turns out... these people are digging an extension to the metro. WITH DYNAMITE.

23:26:22 mircea_popescu: so argentina. much surprising. all the fucking time.

23:26:37 benkay: gotta love los portenos

23:26:50 mircea_popescu: nuts.

23:27:10 *: benkay is amazed at the amount of dick going into that butt

23:27:13 mircea_popescu: who the fuck blasts metro tunnels ?! is it like what, 1860 ?

23:27:22 benkay: can't import boring machines

23:27:29 benkay: wait there's a topic pun in there

23:27:33 benkay: topical*

23:27:36 benkay: boring

23:27:39 benkay: drilling

23:27:41 benkay: perianne

23:27:41 dub: welcome to teh 3rd world

23:27:42 benkay: nah

23:27:58 dub: benkay: stopit

23:28:22 mircea_popescu: dub girl clearly has no stop tit.

23:29:29 benkay: tit stop

23:29:30 benkay: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eb2GFyKv4fA

23:29:30 assbot: Tit Stop Factory - YouTube

23:30:28 mircea_popescu: people can't fucking enunciate

23:30:40 mircea_popescu: "listentomesluralltheconsonantsintoaporrigeofmushty"

23:32:04 mike_c: <+mircea_popescu> who the fuck blasts metro tunnels ?! << broke countries?

23:33:01 mircea_popescu: i guess.

23:33:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 264 @ 0.00283392 = 0.7482 BTC [-]

23:33:48 mircea_popescu: !up CheapBoy

23:33:49 CheapBoy: How is Mircea Popescu shorting going?

23:34:11 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-07-2014#765965

23:34:11 assbot: #bitcoin-assets log

23:36:55 CheapBoy: I don't understand your link.

23:37:06 CheapBoy: I am interested in betting against you.

23:37:17 mircea_popescu: so how many you wanna buy ?

23:37:57 CheapBoy: 15000?

23:38:20 mircea_popescu: for delivery march 15th ?

23:38:34 benkay: ;;gettrust CheapBoy

23:38:34 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user CheapBoy: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=CheapBoy | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=CheapBoy | Rated since: never

23:39:02 mircea_popescu: benkay ironically, for this deal he doesn't actually need one. he's the long party.

23:39:06 mircea_popescu: !up nycbtcpros

23:39:11 CheapBoy: Delivery march 15th

23:39:21 CheapBoy: Yes

23:39:35 benkay: just out of curiousity, how do you plan to verify his identity for delivery come next march?

23:39:47 mircea_popescu: benkay same address.

23:39:51 BigBitz: delivery of what ?

23:40:08 benkay: sign a thing with the addr from which he pays you?

23:40:14 CheapBoy: My worry is, how is delivery guaranteed?

23:40:19 mircea_popescu: CheapBoy ok, that'll be 3 btc, with the caveat that if eth is not released or not trading come march 15th you get 1 satoshi back.

23:40:21 dub: lol

23:40:30 mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust mircea_popescu

23:40:30 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user mircea_popescu: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 154 via 88 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=mircea_popescu | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mircea_popescu | Rated since: Fri Jul 22 11:04:26 2011

23:40:33 mircea_popescu: thusly.

23:40:35 CheapBoy: 1 satoshi ouch.

23:41:06 CheapBoy: What guarantee do the people buying presale ehereum get as of now?

23:41:14 assbot: Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2XRBN6Z.txt )

23:41:14 benkay: !b 1

23:41:30 mircea_popescu: nothing afaik.

23:41:35 CheapBoy: That guarantee should be tradable before it is released I hope...

23:41:43 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2012/deci-piata-financiara-bine/ << here's a model contract, from back in 2012.

23:41:44 assbot: Deci piata financiara, bine ? pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

23:41:49 mircea_popescu: happens to be the first future deal in btc, too.

23:42:15 mircea_popescu: CheapBoy i have no problem with your assigning your delivery, but to do that you will need to register a gpg signature in the wot.

23:43:29 BigBitz: delivery of what ? <--

23:43:35 benkay: BigBitz: ether.

23:43:40 mircea_popescu: BigBitz the eth scamcoin. you gotta read teh logs more.

23:43:42 CheapBoy: Sounds good and serious, what is gpg signature?

23:43:49 benkay: ;;google gpg

23:43:50 gribble: The GNU Privacy Guard: https://www.gnupg.org/; GNU Privacy Guard - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Privacy_Guard; GPGTools - It's worth protecting what you love: https://gpgtools.org/

23:43:51 BigBitz: Ohhh. Ethereum. lol.

23:43:56 BigBitz: the pre-premine coin.

23:44:00 mircea_popescu: BigBitz bingo.

23:44:02 benkay: ;;google gpg ultimate guide

23:44:03 gribble: Creating the perfect GPG keypair - Alex Cabal: https://alexcabal.com/creating-the-perfect-gpg-keypair/; Creating a new GPG key | Ana's blog - ekaia dot org: http://ekaia.org/blog/2009/05/10/creating-new-gpgkey/; Generating More Secure GPG Keys: A Step-by-Step Guide: http://spin.atomicobject.com/2013/11/24/secure-gpg-keys-guide/

23:44:09 dub: PGP: Sounds good and serious.

23:44:10 mircea_popescu: jesus i was looking to say bigtitsbingo for a long time.

23:44:11 BigBitz: So wait you're giving him, like, what 9 months ?

23:44:17 benkay: CheapBoy: the alexcabal link is the one.

23:44:23 mircea_popescu: BigBitz yeah.

23:44:36 BigBitz: mircea_popescu one day... just one day... I hope to be 5% as rich as you.

23:44:39 CheapBoy: And how can you guarantee delivery?

23:44:42 mircea_popescu: dub dun hate on teh noobs.

23:44:47 mircea_popescu: CheapBoy by saying so.

23:44:55 dub: I'm not, its a great quote

23:44:59 CheapBoy: Sounds foolproof.

23:45:03 mircea_popescu: it is.

23:45:05 BigBitz: delivery is provable by a wallet? a trading 'site' ?

23:45:11 CheapBoy: Who here "vouches" for mircea?

23:45:16 mircea_popescu: jesus i was waiting to answer "it is" to two diff people in one line forever.

23:45:26 mike_c: CheapBoy: that is what the web of trust is for: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mircea_popescu

23:45:27 assbot: Rating Details for User 'mircea_popescu'

23:45:29 BigBitz: ;;gettrust mircea_popescu

23:45:29 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu. Trust relationship from user BigBitz to user mircea_popescu: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 14 via 11 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=BigBitz&dest=mircea_popescu | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mircea_popescu | Rated since: Fri Jul 22 11:04:26 2011

23:45:32 mircea_popescu: CheapBoy if you lok in the gribble response above you see the list of all the 88 people.

23:45:48 mircea_popescu: pick some you know from there, ask 'em.

23:45:50 BigBitz: in fairness some of those 88 people are not the most trusted :P

23:45:58 mircea_popescu: BigBitz obv.

23:46:04 BigBitz: rg :(

23:46:20 mircea_popescu: BigBitz http://fraudsters.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/ << mandatory reading i say.

23:46:21 assbot: What the WoT is for, how it works and how to use it. pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

23:46:34 BigBitz: mircea_popescu you should look at my WoT.

23:46:39 dub: in counter-fairness check out tux' ratings

23:46:50 mircea_popescu: lol cunterfairness

23:46:55 mircea_popescu: BigBitz i know. but it's been upgraded.

23:47:26 BigBitz: aside from my scammer ratings. my WoT is in good shape.

23:47:38 CheapBoy: Mircea Thanks for explaining.

23:48:12 CheapBoy: I am hesitating, it says "scheduled for release winter 2014/2015" on the site. Pretty big risk it's delayed imo.

23:48:35 mike_c: indeed. mircea_popescu: what would you charge for 1 year?

23:49:01 mircea_popescu: mike_c im not gonna bother with > 9 months.

23:49:06 mike_c: forget it. my momentary insanity passed.

23:49:11 mircea_popescu: CheapBoy delayed past march ?

23:49:31 CheapBoy: Yes delayed past march.

23:49:41 mircea_popescu: well fine, have it your way. july 25th.

23:49:49 mircea_popescu: same price.

23:49:53 CheapBoy: Delaying crowdfunding things is pretty standard at kickstarter

23:50:35 benkay: kinda the whole point

23:50:38 benkay: ;;gettrust bitb

23:50:39 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user bitb: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=bitb | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=bitb | Rated since: never

23:50:43 benkay: ;;gettrust BigBitz

23:50:43 mircea_popescu: i have nfi why anyone'd do business with people who announce xmas and then fail to deliver in march, but then again...

23:50:43 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask BigBitz!~BigBitz@unaffiliated/bigbitz. Trust relationship from user benkay to user BigBitz: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=BigBitz | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=BigBitz | Rated since: Fri Apr 26 11:13:53 2013

23:51:01 benkay: <mircea_popescu> i have nfi why anyone'd do business with people who announce xmas and then fail to deliver in march, but then again... // what, you calling asciilifeform a scammer?

23:51:27 mircea_popescu: benkay you will note nsa didn't sell cardanos.

23:53:30 mircea_popescu: mkay, im off to get mthreat drunk. back in a while.

23:53:31 benkay: mhm. a solid distinction for sure.

23:53:40 benkay: dammit argentina

23:53:46 mircea_popescu: CheapBoy best do some reading, lot of ground to cover before jumping into things.

23:53:55 CheapBoy: Mircea, thanks.

23:54:27 CheapBoy: Would you buy ethereum for me even though it's not officially released, but tradable?

23:54:59 mike_c: what would be trading if it wasn't released?

23:55:00 BingoBoingo: CheapBoy: You are a brave soul going long on Ether.

23:56:33 CheapBoy: hehe, coming here I'm getting more scared.

23:57:32 BingoBoingo: CheapBoy: Nah, we don't bite much.

23:57:37 benkay: you should never be scared to make a trade.

23:57:42 benkay: if its a good trade, you'll know.

23:57:46 benkay: if you're scared, listen to that.

23:57:51 pigeons: who are these people buying it? i see everyone ssaying the obvious about who knows what a good price is and if the platform will ever materialize, but someone is paying

23:58:42 benkay: same as it ever was

23:58:45 BingoBoingo: pigeons: Prolly Vitalik, Aspergzors is an adequate substitute for intelligence, Buterin paying himself

23:58:49 benkay: the hype cycle was just reeeeeally long.

23:58:56 midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: so far the authentic chinese food I've tasted pretty much lives up to its visual appeal; Yunnan province (where a lot of that episode was filmed) is delicious and very un-weird.

23:59:24 midnightmagic: but ehh.. propaganda piece for tourism. i'm okay with that