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00:00:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76700 @ 0.0005341 = 40.9655 BTC [+] {2}

00:00:59 trinque: you'll need libc6-dev for the headers and whatnot

00:01:11 trinque: probably pulled in by that build-essential package

00:09:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20695 @ 0.00054057 = 11.1871 BTC [+]

00:12:43 hanbot: trinque have libc6-dev, no idea if that's sufficient for ref imp building purposes. build-essential doesn't seem to have any explicit reference to static flavoring either.

00:13:46 hanbot: if glibc on its own is insufficent tho, i have little faith libc6-dev without the -static moniker would work

00:15:18 trinque: hanbot: see 8.3 here https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-sharedlibs.html

00:15:19 assbot: Debian Policy Manual - Shared libraries ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jga8wj )

00:16:20 trinque: build-essential is a big meta-package which only serves to depend on many of the other packages necessary for compiling things

00:20:21 hanbot: aha, that link is a great lead, bless you trinque.

00:21:12 trinque: np

00:21:18 trinque: https://packages.debian.org/jessie/amd64/libc6-dev/filelist << the .a files are the ones

00:21:20 assbot: Debian -- File list of package libc6-dev/jessie/amd64 ... ( http://bit.ly/1JgaCTg )

00:45:25 shinohai: I have rebuilt boost, made symlinks, and recited pages from The Necronomicon, but still cannot get rid of /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lboost_filesystem

00:57:02 mod6: <+gernika> mod6 stator, openssl-1.0.1g. << what did you do to get around this?

01:01:08 ben_vulpes: hanbot, mod6, asciilifeform, nubbins`, and panzers at large: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000129.html

01:01:09 assbot: [BTC-dev] ak47.sh: another script to build reference implementations ... ( http://bit.ly/1MlPThQ )

01:02:03 trinque: ben_vulpes: neat, looks great

01:02:29 trinque: mind if I bolt my gcov stuff to it later in the week?

01:02:35 gernika: mod6 I changed nothing :(

01:02:35 ben_vulpes: "patches welcome"

01:03:27 trinque: bonus points for using push/popd

01:04:04 ben_vulpes: only sane way to manage implicit state of shell imho

01:04:54 trinque: yup, keeps one from littering information about path structure throughout the script

01:05:05 ben_vulpes: defensive bash programming

01:05:12 ben_vulpes: i'm down to a single finger and i intend to kepe it

01:05:27 mod6: gernika: you just restarted it and then it it verified the sig?

01:06:20 gernika: mod6 I set a new (empty) datadir and started over.

01:10:11 mod6: we saw stuff like that before with the 168`001 Verify Signature fail too. most of the time it failed for us... the three of us who were independantly testing it. But sometimes, it'd pass. Maybe 30% of the time. I was pulling my hair out.

01:10:32 mod6: any idea what block number it was? or txid?

01:10:54 gernika: I have the last block

01:11:03 gernika: Not sure how to get the txid

01:11:08 mod6: do you hvae the log?

01:11:15 gernika: I have the debug log yes

01:11:32 mod6: nice. put it somewhere for me to look at.

01:12:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20646 @ 0.00052785 = 10.898 BTC [-]

01:13:33 punkman: trinque: at which block did libressl barf?

01:14:03 mod6: <+mod6> ok so those happen a bit... then you hit block 124`275 and then fail to verify a tx in block 124`276 to no avail

01:14:05 gernika: mod6 http://exusiae.kicks-ass.net/debug.log

01:14:10 mod6: <+mod6> this tx: fb0a1d8d34fa5537e461ac384bac761125e1bfa7fec286fa72511240fa66864d

01:14:19 mod6: thanks gernika

01:14:28 gernika: np

01:15:21 trinque: punkman: 124276

01:15:25 gernika: mod6 let me know if there's anything else I can do to help with this. Would suck if x% of pogos wedged at 168001

01:15:27 trinque: er yeah, 275

01:15:30 trinque: mistyped

01:16:16 mod6: it didn't barf on 124`275

01:16:21 punkman: trinque: yeah I think I got stuck at the same block using some other openssl version

01:16:28 trinque: mod6: right, that was the last that worked

01:16:30 mod6: it barfs on tx fb0a1d8d34fa5537e461ac384bac761125e1bfa7fec286fa72511240fa66864d in block 124`276

01:16:58 trinque: I can try a few other libressl versions later tonight, I think

01:17:41 punkman: trinque, you could recompile and make it skip that one, find the next weird one

01:17:41 mod6: for us we thought that the 168`001 verify signature issue at first was due to the fact that 168`000 is the last checkpoint. but totally unrelated. threw us off for a bit though.

01:18:03 trinque: I ran with verifyall btw

01:19:15 mod6: that's good.

01:20:03 punkman: hmm, so what's special about this one I wonder, http://blockexplorer.com/rawtx/fb0a1d8d34fa5537e461ac384bac761125e1bfa7fec286fa72511240fa66864d

01:20:03 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1MlRy75 )

01:20:23 mod6: my one gentoo (all ascii's patches through verifyall x86-64/glibc) build got all the way up to where nsl is wedged. but my openbsd one is crawling along on verify all also... so far: height=220047

01:21:15 mod6: punkman: good q.

01:21:19 ben_vulpes: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000130.html << panzers: snipped some assperimental macos turds

01:21:20 assbot: [BTC-dev] ak47.sh: another script to build reference implementations ... ( http://bit.ly/1MlRDra )

01:21:45 mod6: gernika: sure, we should be beyond that now with 1.0.1g but, we'll see.

01:22:06 punkman: tx is here btw https://gist.github.com/jgilmour/6215961

01:22:08 assbot: Bitcoin secureRandom affected address list - #1 · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1MlRFPT )

01:22:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52221 @ 0.00052945 = 27.6484 BTC [+] {2}

01:24:09 ben_vulpes: ;;later tell pete_dushenski congrats, frere

01:24:09 gribble: The operation succeeded.

01:24:42 punkman: http://hdiff.luite.com/cgit/haskoin/commit?id=0.1.0 "-- Signature in input of txid fb0a1d8d34fa5537e461ac384bac761125e1bfa7fec286fa72511240fa66864d Strange DER sizes. But in Blockchain"

01:24:43 assbot: haskoin/ - haskoin - http://hackage.haskell.org/package/haskoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1fnkiPM )

01:27:17 mod6: holy yikes gernika

01:27:58 mod6: you got wedged on the 168`001 block? aka: you were stuck on block 168`000 according to this.. although, i dont' as of yet see a Verify Signature failure in here...

01:28:32 hanbot: so .deb package checked against .rpm file list shows libc_stubs.a missing, the other eleven are present. debian says no .deb packages contain this guy. i'm assuming i need it. auto.sh still errorful after grabbing everything else here http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-07-2015#1209888 (errorflurry: http://dpaste.com/26ZEG17 ). doesn't look like that missing library has anything to do with it, but prolly problematic down the line?

01:28:32 assbot: Logged on 22-07-2015 19:26:16; ascii_field: yum install gcc libstdc++ gcc-c++ glibc-static

01:28:35 assbot: dpaste: 26ZEG17 ... ( http://bit.ly/1fnkyy7 )

01:29:44 hanbot: (in re http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-07-2015#1210086)

01:29:44 assbot: Logged on 23-07-2015 00:15:18; trinque: hanbot: see 8.3 here https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-sharedlibs.html

01:29:53 gernika: mod6 correct it just ... got stuck

01:30:26 mod6: and in your memory you don't remember seeing the "Verify Signature failure" in there?

01:30:31 trinque: hanbot: dunno, I tend to stick to gentoo

01:31:03 *: trinque looks at pastes

01:31:06 mod6: This goes for all: If you get wedged for some reason while running the R.I. please stop in and ask right away. Back up the debug.log for us too plz.

01:31:13 gernika: mod6 restarting on the same blockchain didn't help

01:31:24 mod6: im sure it didn't. that's really bad.

01:31:37 mod6: s/that's/this is/

01:31:38 gernika: mod6 I wasn't looking for it, but no I don't recall seeing it

01:31:54 mod6: hmm. alright.

01:32:03 mod6: well, if you see it again, let us know. thanks!

01:32:11 trinque: hanbot: explosions suggest you are missing (or it can't find) boost openssl and db

01:32:43 mod6: punkman: good find

01:33:06 trinque: hanbot: it may be helpful to change the script at the top, where it says /bin/sh, changing to /bin/sh -e

01:33:25 trinque: it will then at least bail out at the first error, will otherwise happily derp past errors to the next command

01:33:27 mod6: if you need to check that you have indeed statically linked in openssl 1.0.1g into your binary, you can do this: hexdump -C bitcoind | grep "1.0.1g"

01:33:27 BingoBoingo: https://marc.info/?l=openssh-unix-dev&m=143760023528979&w=2

01:33:29 assbot: 'Re: Keyboard Interactive Attack?' - MARC ... ( http://bit.ly/1MlSEQj )

01:33:36 mod6: that /should/ tell the tale

01:36:01 hanbot: <trinque> hanbot: explosions suggest you are missing (or it can't find) boost openssl and db << this, despite " Found 'openssl-1.0.1g', skipping... Found 'db-4.8.30', skipping... Found 'boost_1_52_0', skipping..." ?

01:37:53 trinque: hanbot: yep, because those messages are coming from commands in the build script, whereas further down there are warnings galore of missing headers

01:38:22 trinque: which are coming from the compiler

01:39:05 ben_vulpes: hanbot: i put my little kalash together to address some of the pain you're experiencing

01:42:24 hanbot: ben_vulpes very cool. as said earlier, i'm explicitly going the "painful" route 'cause that's what stator ml post describes. i'd love to use the tools you & mod6 have put up --just, not the point of this specific exercise

01:42:36 hanbot: which i'm not sure will work out, but gotta try

01:43:32 ben_vulpes: gl

01:43:33 ben_vulpes: hf

01:46:03 hanbot: hehe ty.

01:46:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 118728 @ 0.00053991 = 64.1024 BTC [+] {2}

01:48:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51200 @ 0.00054077 = 27.6874 BTC [+] {2}

01:49:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37050 @ 0.00054078 = 20.0359 BTC [+]

01:52:34 scoopbot_revived: Brute Force for keyboard-interactive OpenSSH Logins Discovered http://qntra.net/2015/07/brute-force-for-keyboard-interactive-openssh-logins-discovered/

01:54:00 BingoBoingo: https://archive.is/3WiUG

01:54:01 assbot: Brute Force for keyboard-interactive OpenSSH Logins Discovered | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1MlUfpg )

01:54:36 BingoBoingo: ^ People demand knob with which to hang self from. Get hung from knob.

02:00:41 hanbot: ben_vulpes ofc, the dependencies arguably sh/could be handled before someone lands on RI stuff. hm. i guess i'll have to self-debate a while.

02:02:49 ben_vulpes: hanbot: i wrote it entirely fed up with doing this dance every. single. time.

02:03:16 ben_vulpes: i now have a kalash that i can point at most linuxes, fire, and produce a static build

02:07:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62919 @ 0.0005418 = 34.0895 BTC [+] {2}

02:11:35 hanbot: right. but then my question to you (& mod6 ) would be, if this is -the- way to get it done, should the RI be re-released to reflect that? though again, if the pain is in (reasonably straightforward) dependencies, rather than the release itself, i'd imagine that's another matter.

02:13:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 126150 @ 0.00052366 = 66.0597 BTC [-] {2}

02:13:58 hanbot: yeah, i think i'll user yer kalash to just get dependencies sussed before i revisit this notion.

02:22:12 asciilifeform: tratatatata

02:22:31 *: asciilifeform hands hanbot new mag

02:23:26 *: asciilifeform sits and tries to figure out why it is that folks had to add anything to 'stator' to make it go

02:23:47 asciilifeform: considering that it went, without any major changes, not only under gentoo but under the most wretched centos etc

02:24:16 ben_vulpes: auto.sh has never worked well for me.

02:24:21 asciilifeform: in other nyooz, incitatus is at full height

02:24:25 asciilifeform: and mostly putters along.

02:24:31 asciilifeform: 24 connections.

02:25:15 asciilifeform: i never really got the point of 'auto.sh'

02:25:27 asciilifeform: are there really so many patches, that it is a major labour to verify them manually ?

02:26:03 asciilifeform: they took days, in some cases, weeks, to write - 10sec./each to verify is too long?

02:28:19 decimation: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_zEH_vydUPPk/S48zqfAZfKI/AAAAAAAAACM/Og7E73HE62E/s1600-h/new_zone.gif < on the way to bombing romania (wwii)

02:28:19 assbot: new_zone.gif (image) ... ( http://bit.ly/1MlWd8S )

02:28:35 ben_vulpes: there is working on the thing and distributing the thing

02:28:49 ben_vulpes: and gradations between pogo and "to ml"

02:28:54 decimation: I built stator on centos

02:28:59 decimation: err, rhel6 just fine

02:29:20 decimation: without mod (other than eater)

02:29:39 asciilifeform: decimation: i have paper magazines somewhere with that picture in'em

02:30:12 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-07-2015#1210020 << !!!

02:30:12 assbot: Logged on 22-07-2015 22:16:20; mod6: so for the record, this is a "VerifySignature" failure, similar to that seen in February with 168`001

02:30:16 asciilifeform: plz details ?

02:31:19 decimation: my node (connected to 'zoolog' is almost to 316k, going faster now it seems)

02:32:19 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-07-2015#1210060 << aha that's correct behaviour

02:32:19 assbot: Logged on 22-07-2015 23:19:24; mod6: hey this is good thing: http://dpaste.com/2EMM9H3.txt

02:32:56 trinque: asciilifeform: there's my debug.log a few lines up

02:33:16 trinque: http://deedbot.org/bitcoin-0.5.4beta-libressl.log.asc

02:34:13 asciilifeform: woah

02:34:16 asciilifeform: that's quite a few of'em

02:35:28 mod6: <+asciilifeform> plz details ? << log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-02-2015#1009754

02:36:10 asciilifeform: ^ did we ever determine the particular tx ?

02:36:18 mod6: sure

02:36:27 asciilifeform: link?

02:36:59 mod6: sec

02:37:06 trinque: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=23-07-2015#1210129

02:37:06 assbot: Logged on 23-07-2015 01:16:30; mod6: it barfs on tx fb0a1d8d34fa5537e461ac384bac761125e1bfa7fec286fa72511240fa66864d in block 124`276

02:37:18 mod6: http://btc.blockr.io/tx/info/2c2314f353013f920d8fbfde242d7d23ba4cb9b97dc24f481dd0ccfd8f56324c

02:37:19 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1MlWxVf )

02:37:22 asciilifeform: neh that's not 168001

02:37:45 mod6: trinque: we're talking about the origina barf on 168`001

02:37:50 trinque: ah, sorry

02:38:20 mod6: 1629931 ERROR: ConnectInputs() : 2c2314f353 VerifySignature failed

02:38:40 mod6: from my pastebin: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=9U2VHnRx

02:38:41 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1MlWBo3 )

02:42:17 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-07-2015#1210095 << dearglub, that this is looooooooong

02:42:17 assbot: Logged on 23-07-2015 01:01:08; ben_vulpes: hanbot, mod6, asciilifeform, nubbins`, and panzers at large: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000129.html

02:42:29 asciilifeform: whyohwhy

02:43:14 asciilifeform: $ wc -l stator.sh

02:43:14 asciilifeform: 42 stator.sh

02:43:21 asciilifeform: what was wrong with ^ that

02:48:52 ben_vulpes: i said something was wrong with it?

02:48:59 ben_vulpes: anyways, i'd written mine earlier.

02:49:45 asciilifeform: ;;later tell pete_dushenski https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMkPo2RGK28

02:49:46 assbot: Chava Alberstein- Jewish partisan song with english subtitles - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1MlXjBI )

02:49:46 gribble: The operation succeeded.

02:49:55 ben_vulpes: all of these "do this and then do that and then do the other thing" shell scripts that a) don't bail on error and b) aren't easily twiddled drive me up a wall.

02:50:44 ben_vulpes: i wrote the kalash because it addresses needs of mine: being able to run arbitrary bits of the whole process

02:50:53 ben_vulpes: don't like, don't use.

02:50:59 asciilifeform: fair.

02:58:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 152800 @ 0.0005228 = 79.8838 BTC [-] {2}

02:58:16 asciilifeform: ;;later tell pete_dushenski https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhlwy6d8vBk << not a bad likbez re: that other incident, also.

02:58:17 assbot: To Live and Die with Honor: The Story of the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising - Short - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1MlXMnn )

02:58:17 gribble: The operation succeeded.

02:58:19 trinque: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/07/23/us-usa-biden-security-idUSKCN0PW2AG20150723 << the crime being "had a gun"

02:58:20 assbot: Armed man arrested in LA where Biden was due to speak | Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1MlXJrN )

02:59:19 trinque: I suppose he forgot to unload it, bad luck.

02:59:32 asciilifeform: armed man arrested in munich where hitler was due to speak.

02:59:52 asciilifeform: etc.

03:00:32 mod6: ok i think i fixed the dumpblock param issue, but it'll hvae to wait until tomorrow or when i have a bit more time to test

03:05:46 decimation: 82.130.102.173 < keeps connecting and dropping to mine too

03:08:58 BingoBoingo: http://www.radixjournal.com/journal/becoming-the-new-barbarians

03:09:00 assbot: Becoming the New Barbarians — RADIX JOURNAL ... ( http://bit.ly/1OnzsA1 )

03:18:10 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: '?A las Barricadas! ?A las Barricadas! por el triunfo de la Confederaci?n.' (tm) (r)

03:18:30 *: asciilifeform tripping on the fact that this existed

03:18:40 mircea_popescu: o which reminds me.

03:18:52 BingoBoingo: lol asciilifeform

03:20:25 mircea_popescu: re "And so a better example for Syriza to follow, were they to suddenly stop being Europe's pathetic poodles and don the mantle of fearless, heroic revolutionaries, is still the good old Russian revolution of 1917." << one willing to eat up this dollop should best remember that socialist revolution failed.

03:20:26 asciilifeform: Alza la bandera revolucionaria...

03:20:37 mircea_popescu: it failed when che tried it abroad, and humiliatingly. it failed in castro's hands, at home.

03:20:56 mircea_popescu: it failed in moscow as it failed in beijing - the successors are today more capitalist than hamilton, and for good reason.

03:21:20 asciilifeform: eh that's sorta like saying that 'forest fire failed' - because there are still, somewhere, trees.

03:21:30 mircea_popescu: socialism is still the doctrine of unadorned stupid, and it's still this in large things as it is this in small things - be it revolution or your daily dealings. stupid stays stupid.

03:22:12 *: asciilifeform admires the audacity and virility of che et al separately from the peculiar follies of 20th c. mega-empires

03:22:36 mircea_popescu: sure.

03:22:51 asciilifeform: the 'blade of grass in the concrete'

03:22:51 mircea_popescu: who'd women fuck screamingly is a good proxy for quality

03:22:54 asciilifeform: to borrow a mircea_popescuism

03:22:57 mircea_popescu: but it's notreally the same thing. just an exam

03:23:16 asciilifeform: brezhnevobama - the concrete, yes

03:23:18 asciilifeform: che - no.

03:23:21 asciilifeform: grass.

03:23:26 *: BingoBoingo was kinda sad when mega fire did not hit during mega drought year of 2012 here. Would have been good for the Morels.

03:26:23 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but the virility, audacity etc aside, and the guy's very seductive smile aside - he wasn't very intelligent.

03:26:44 mircea_popescu: this is a problem. and, much more importantly - he failed. he failed uniformly, predictably, throughout. hard to see past this.

03:27:10 asciilifeform: the intelligent are sitting in some cellar, cranking out nth numerical approximations to schrodinger's eq. for system of five atoms.

03:27:17 asciilifeform: not cutting throats

03:27:20 mircea_popescu: meanwhile any random mexican cartel owner is right now out of jail and if he's in he's running a brothel of the guards.

03:27:28 mircea_popescu: this is patently untrue.

03:27:33 decimation: managed to get loads of betas in frats to wear his face

03:27:44 mircea_popescu: decimation this is already suspicious.

03:27:53 mircea_popescu: haven't seen that many lambs in lion tshirts so far.

03:28:07 asciilifeform: i am broadly unconvinced that mr cartel is in any sense more intelligent than che. more narrowly focused, yes.

03:28:21 mircea_popescu: i was speaking as to success.

03:28:27 mircea_popescu: intelligence is a more... spiritual problem.

03:28:29 trinque: I'm not much convinced che's anything other than a celebrity

03:28:32 trinque: *was

03:28:50 trinque: or that populist movements like that are at all desirable

03:29:10 mircea_popescu: right. i suppose to bring this to an edge, we could ask alf to explain difference between jack warner and clark gable in terms of che.

03:29:18 mircea_popescu: so whioch is he ? gable also had a "very seductive smile".

03:29:22 mircea_popescu: and died broke if memory serves.

03:29:27 asciilifeform: trinque: getting killed by a dedicated usg death squad is an exam of sorts. can one pass this exam and not be someone worth considering ?

03:29:41 trinque: eh I could get myself done that way this evening if I wanted

03:29:43 trinque: hehe

03:29:46 trinque: but I see what you mean

03:29:47 asciilifeform: DEDICATED

03:29:50 asciilifeform: not some street cop

03:30:05 asciilifeform: as in, folks who board five unmarked planes to get to where you're dug in

03:30:13 trinque: I will admit to reading about various revolutions over the years wondering "where's mine?"

03:30:21 *: BingoBoingo actually pretty pumped about hearing tomorrow

03:30:28 *: asciilifeform has been wondering this since he was 4 y.o

03:30:29 decimation: more likely: haho jump from the next border

03:30:39 mircea_popescu: srsly ?!

03:30:44 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you gonna blog about it ?

03:30:55 trinque: asciilifeform: need "force amplifier" like your "mind amplifier" and forget about the derps

03:31:11 trinque: I don't think anything good can come of anything which requires populist buy-in

03:31:16 decimation: revolution is the last thing anyone should want

03:31:23 asciilifeform: address all inquiries re: force multipliers to herr tesla

03:31:24 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The aftermath likely. Dun want to tip the hand too early.

03:31:29 decimation: a bunch of crazy egotist adventurers taking power

03:31:48 mircea_popescu: trinque the better q, of course, being what are you going to say ?

03:32:09 mircea_popescu: this entire "my revolution" thing seems to me a lot like "i wanna be on a stage, like carlin!" well ok. and to say what ?

03:32:12 trinque: mircea_popescu: mhm, and I don't claim at this moment to have a proposal

03:32:18 asciilifeform: 'populist buy-in' is what we have now.

03:32:20 mircea_popescu: then why'd you care ?

03:32:30 mircea_popescu: a lot of thankless, boring work, that.

03:32:33 phf: revolutions look like fun though, "we were trully free on the barricades", that's why all those bored aristocrats would travel to third world countries, if they failed to start shit up at home. positive long term effects not so much

03:32:38 decimation: I like this 'new barbarian' guy

03:32:38 asciilifeform: ^

03:32:44 mircea_popescu: phf they ARE fun, yes. but only for the stupid.

03:32:45 asciilifeform: see also limonov

03:32:50 mircea_popescu: organised crime is also fun. also for the stupid.

03:32:51 trinque: mircea_popescu: I'm gonna die anyway, and this sucks.

03:32:51 decimation: follow his advice, be tribal, give less of a shit about govt

03:33:03 asciilifeform: what trinque said.

03:33:08 asciilifeform: and limonov was there in 1995.

03:33:14 asciilifeform: even re: the 'tribal' bit.

03:33:22 mircea_popescu: this is all fine, but there's a bridge between "my cunt itches" and "i'm married now"

03:33:24 mircea_popescu: is there even ?

03:33:26 trinque: hahaha

03:34:12 asciilifeform: very easy to 'give less of a shit about govt' all the way until you find yourself trying the 'be tribal' thing in a usg death camp.

03:34:32 mircea_popescu: see ? not so fun for the stupid. "true freedom" comes from a neglect of consequences.

03:34:32 trinque: I figure I'll keep educating myself and getting ahead, and see what happens in a decade.

03:34:42 phf: i move few blocks away from where they burned down MOVE compound. though those guys were genuinely .. not quite there

03:34:45 mircea_popescu: whosoever can not do this is stuck being a bureaucrat not a revolutionary, no mattert the context.

03:34:49 decimation: meh. usg doesn't have the energy to startup death camps

03:34:56 decimation: and they would likely be easy to escape

03:34:57 asciilifeform: they are already in business

03:35:03 asciilifeform: go escape from fed pen.

03:35:03 mircea_popescu: decimation obviously trhey'd be outsourced.

03:35:18 mircea_popescu: the 100 mn business majors looking to change the world in the US notably ARE energetic enough to run macdonalds.

03:35:21 BingoBoingo: mircea I mean https://archive.is/ChrKw happened. I don't want to say "civil case" may be in the pipes, but... thank scientology http://www.holysmoke.org/sdhok/slap-can.htm

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03:35:23 mircea_popescu: death camps are nothing compared.

03:35:39 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo need some dough to press that

03:35:43 decimation: well, keep the local da as part of your tribe :)

03:35:56 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Or time.

03:35:58 mircea_popescu: heh

03:36:21 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-07-2015#1209919 << lmao ok.

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03:36:38 mircea_popescu: "sociology of the theatre" ? such deadly refinement by now.

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03:36:55 mircea_popescu: i am bracving myself for the "sociology of sociologists of obscure fields" phd.

03:37:03 phf: mircea_popescu: i see now what you mean by "for the stupid", re "neglect of consequences". i always thought that was a character flaw though, not necessarily sign of intelligence

03:37:16 trinque: mircea_popescu: I think seeing the world as it is, one imagines there could be another where there are leaders with as you say, interesting things to do

03:37:32 mircea_popescu: a lot could be said about it, let aside that nobodyu'd care, so why shouldn't a phd be offered ? once it's offered, why should it wear a red striope in its id, "this shit's pointless nutso stuff fopr rich people" ?

03:37:43 asciilifeform: mno

03:37:51 mircea_popescu: and then get clueless working cl;ass kids thinking "it's theiur calling" because totally, that's how the world works, with "Callings"

03:38:08 mircea_popescu: phf well if you can explain the difference between these two...

03:38:18 mircea_popescu: trinque not for most people.

03:38:20 asciilifeform: actual revolution means that 25 y.o. schmuck can transform to commander with personal death authority over ten thousand.

03:38:22 asciilifeform: overnight.

03:38:38 mircea_popescu: authority, sure.

03:38:41 asciilifeform: this is appealing for perfectly reasonable, if not practical, reasons.

03:38:53 mircea_popescu: random derp who inherits a wall street firm, also authority.

03:39:04 asciilifeform: random derp 'chose parents carefully'

03:39:17 mircea_popescu: which brings us right back to, "what do you wish to say, anyway"

03:39:23 decimation: it's possible the derp could be Napoleon

03:39:26 mircea_popescu: because, mind, if you actually got something to say might as well say it.

03:39:38 mircea_popescu: and if you don't, why even bother with the trappings.

03:39:50 mircea_popescu: ;;google monty python "the theory which is mine"

03:39:50 gribble: Monty Python - Theory on Brontosauruses by Anne Elk ... - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAYDiPizDIs; Monty Python - Theory on Brontosauruses by Anne Elk ... - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6zWjUhfj-M; Monty Python's Flying Circus: Brontasauraus Theory - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PM10y4XgTG0

03:39:53 asciilifeform: trying to formulate a hypothesis here

03:39:57 mircea_popescu: aite.

03:40:01 *: mircea_popescu is all ears.

03:40:03 asciilifeform: re: what is appealing about violent upheavals

03:40:12 asciilifeform: for the 'armchair general'

03:40:22 mircea_popescu: ah, that's plainly obvious. they;'re appealing like rape is appealing. their bloody violence is sexually satisfying.

03:40:35 decimation: it's appeal to Napoleon to finally rule the world

03:41:28 asciilifeform: the idea of biodieseling the sclerotic aristos and their imbecile offspring is appealing to healthy folks, imho

03:41:32 trinque: doesn't my being embedded in the world necessitate being concerned with its state?

03:41:38 trinque: if I care about myself in the slightest?

03:41:49 asciilifeform: for the same reason why pink prime gurlflesh is more appealing than the circus horrors BingoBoingo linked

03:41:53 decimation: asciilifeform: the thing tends to feed itself. the new army officer's position depends on the old officers being exiled, thus they are married to the adventure

03:42:29 trinque: asciilifeform: everyone likes when a shithead gets his; is laughter for anything else?

03:42:30 asciilifeform: is it better to be married to a desk ?

03:43:03 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so you see it's sexual.

03:43:28 mircea_popescu: trinque it doesn't follow you should give a shit about yourself ; it doesnt follow even admitting that the world is of interest.

03:43:30 asciilifeform: in more or less the same sense that all other vigorous and healthy activity is sexual

03:43:30 decimation: well, desk isn't as exciting, if safer

03:43:41 trinque: mircea_popescu: who says should, I do

03:43:46 mircea_popescu: ah, sure then.

03:43:54 phf: i guess if your life is dull, might be better to be limonov. so it's a wish fulfillment, i.e. "when the zombies come i'll be the badass survivalist guy". i'm still not sure why byron did it though

03:43:58 mircea_popescu: normally "necessitate" is a hidden should.

03:44:14 decimation: plus, maybe if the 25 year old is Napoleon you can get rich on some awesome loot

03:44:22 mircea_popescu: phf why byron "did it" = had a bunch of chlorotic virgins say stupid shit about him ?

03:44:33 *: trinque brb

03:44:39 phf: heh, fair

03:44:41 mircea_popescu: decimation sure, rich like the chiabur.

03:44:50 asciilifeform: when considering what byron's likely alternatives were...

03:45:01 asciilifeform: did not want to marry desk. i respect this.

03:45:16 mircea_popescu: (tk kibār, eq of rus kulak)

03:46:09 decimation: heh chiabur isn't english

03:46:14 decimation: ah

03:46:20 mircea_popescu: being rich isn't english either.

03:46:25 asciilifeform: l0l

03:46:30 mircea_popescu: puritan bunch

03:46:43 decimation: well, better kulak than starving peasant, plus you get to pillage a few neat italian cities

03:46:47 asciilifeform: who the hell sees the appeal of revolution in 'get rich' ?!!!

03:46:49 mircea_popescu: entirely up to you, this.

03:46:51 asciilifeform: that's a new one to me

03:47:00 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what do you think el dorado was ?

03:47:07 asciilifeform: a treasure hunt ?

03:47:12 mircea_popescu: revolution for people who couldn't afford to fight the king.

03:47:13 mircea_popescu: what else.

03:47:15 decimation: asciilifeform: lol 'get rich' is almost immediately what the revolution turns into

03:47:16 asciilifeform: well yes.

03:47:20 mircea_popescu: well so then.

03:47:26 asciilifeform: and in many ways, that time's 'silicon valley'

03:47:27 decimation: once they gain power and can't figure out what else to do

03:47:35 asciilifeform: considering the grantsmanship that went into el doradoism

03:47:49 mircea_popescu: decimation no buyt see, it's an important problem. "so you're on the stage, alright now - what do you say ?"

03:47:49 asciilifeform: one more or less had to scam a king to play

03:47:58 mircea_popescu: "everyone should walk funny from now on" ?

03:48:02 decimation: mircea_popescu: yeah absolutely I see that

03:48:15 decimation: especially since 99.999% of 25 year olds are not napoleon

03:48:29 mircea_popescu: you're moses, up on the mountain, you're smith with his fucking stupid hat and the even more stupid but full of themselves early americans

03:48:31 mircea_popescu: what do you sya ?

03:48:37 asciilifeform: you say things like: 'you - spread yer legs.' 'you - spat on my father. spread your arse cheeks for sharpened telephone pole.' etc.

03:48:38 mircea_popescu: "ummir and fuckthir" ? why ?

03:48:43 mircea_popescu: with a straight face ? seriously ?

03:48:50 mircea_popescu: this is why "power corrupts", incidentally.

03:48:55 mircea_popescu: this will break a man.

03:49:16 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is not unlike street urchin's idea of wealthy

03:49:18 asciilifeform: i could, i think, watch telephone poles enter arses for 25 years.

03:49:20 mircea_popescu: "sandwich every day!"

03:49:56 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://www.orwell.ru/library/articles/revenge/english/e_revso << possibly

03:49:57 assbot: George Orwell: Revenge is Sour ... ( http://bit.ly/1Vy7mra )

03:50:10 mircea_popescu: i happen to enjoy revenge,

03:50:21 mircea_popescu: but i must point out that it's likely same as how i enjoy horse riding

03:50:31 mircea_popescu: an acquired taste. not something one can just jump into.

03:50:48 mircea_popescu: and that "acquired" part is a lot of time and a lot of resources and so on.

03:51:03 decimation: on the other hand, when raw power is rushing around - available for many to grasp - someone's hand will be strong enough to keep hold

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03:51:26 mircea_popescu: again, that you hold the ring is not the issue.

03:51:30 mircea_popescu: what do you tell it to do!

03:51:50 asciilifeform: the mega-appeal of revolution is, just as limonov summarized, it is a chance to trade in guaranteed-die-behind-desk for die-with-sporting-chance

03:51:56 mircea_popescu: sure.

03:52:03 decimation: invade italy; get rich, become emporer

03:52:07 mircea_popescu: but, provided you don't actually die. what. do. you. do.

03:52:11 mircea_popescu: "become emperor" is not a thing.

03:52:11 decimation: but then get bored and declare ware on the entire world

03:52:15 mircea_popescu: "lived happily ever after"

03:52:18 asciilifeform: mno

03:52:18 phf: i the wrath of god will marry my own daughter and with her i'll found the purest dynasty the earth has ever seen

03:52:19 asciilifeform: you play again.

03:52:22 mircea_popescu: it only exists from this side of the silver screen

03:52:45 asciilifeform: or what phf said!

03:52:48 mircea_popescu: phf srsly ?!

03:53:05 mircea_popescu: why the fuck would i want my own daughter. i suppose i should table this until i somehow have one,

03:53:20 mircea_popescu: but it seems a lot to me like making my own car. holy shit i'd much rather have a car someone else toiled with.

03:53:31 asciilifeform: making own car has appeal

03:53:40 asciilifeform: i've given it serious thought at times

03:53:42 mircea_popescu: o, i know this about you.

03:53:53 phf: mircea_popescu: well, the scene involves everyone being dead by that point, and aguirre just making mad proclamations on a drifting raft besieged by invisible indians

03:54:00 asciilifeform: ^

03:54:04 mircea_popescu: problem is - you'll prolly start a revolution by first building a country.

03:54:21 mircea_popescu: phf ah i entirely missed this was a reference.

03:54:36 asciilifeform: or better yet, alive, and not being able to lift a finger, on account of them all wearing remote-switched detcord collars

03:55:02 mircea_popescu: such a mmorpg view of politics.

03:55:11 decimation: !up Erika-Mustermann

03:55:11 asciilifeform: !up Erika-Mustermann

03:55:18 decimation: the nordic system returns?

03:55:22 mircea_popescu: whossat ?

03:55:51 BingoBoingo: No, I though Nordic system started with a j or some shit

03:55:53 decimation: was gibt's?

03:56:09 BingoBoingo: !s Nordic System

03:56:10 assbot: 15 results for 'Nordic System' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=Nordic+System

03:56:16 decimation: BingoBoingo: it has a deeper bench than that

03:56:41 asciilifeform: hey, this could be the ~other~ nordic system !

03:56:44 asciilifeform: can hope!

03:56:51 mircea_popescu: you know, incidentally, im not so sure that 99.999% figure.

03:57:04 asciilifeform: ?

03:57:04 mircea_popescu: it may well be 14% of kids are in fact napoleon.

03:57:11 mircea_popescu: rest is luck, and having bernadotte.

03:57:17 asciilifeform: that's close to limonov's figure iirc

03:57:22 decimation: asciilifeform: isegoria did a thing on finnish baseball - looks awesome! http://www.isegoria.net/2015/07/what-finland-can-teach-america-about-baseball/

03:57:24 assbot: What Finland Can Teach America About Baseball « Isegoria ... ( http://bit.ly/1fnvVWV )

03:57:33 mircea_popescu: im enamoured with this ballas notion - 1%, 14% aspies, 85% derps.

03:57:57 asciilifeform: 1% who ?

03:58:02 decimation: mircea_popescu: certainly napoleon had an aspie-like grasp of tactics, etc

03:58:34 mircea_popescu: heh. know about that one time he forgot about a coupla divisions ?

03:58:46 mircea_popescu: or that other time when he thought he had lost and well... the officers carried ?

03:58:54 BingoBoingo: finnish baseball sounds like the worst! When do you go to get your next beer?

03:59:09 asciilifeform: when nth beer is empty

03:59:24 mircea_popescu: i thought finns drank fermented herring and what is this "beer".

03:59:30 asciilifeform: nah that's jp

03:59:47 decimation: he was called the 'little corporal' because he went out and sighted guns himself http://napoleonsightings.blogspot.com/2010/08/napoleon-sighting-002-little-corporal.html

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04:00:05 asciilifeform: phun phakt: napoleon was a closeted maths type

04:00:11 mircea_popescu: i occasionally set up boxes myself too.

04:00:11 asciilifeform: even has a theorem of his own name

04:00:19 mircea_popescu: alf has a good point, there IS an appeal to making own car.

04:00:25 mircea_popescu: there's also an appeal to cut one's own neck.

04:00:37 asciilifeform: http://mathworld.wolfram.com/NapoleonsTheorem.html

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04:00:41 trinque: I'm on a crippled device atm, but is capitalism unencumbered by the state not enough of a thing to do?

04:00:56 trinque: it is for me

04:01:02 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sure. intelligence not impeached. just, there's this entire "genius" myth built around him because it was a particular time in the letters.

04:01:13 asciilifeform: aha.

04:01:24 asciilifeform: like every other mega-hero

04:01:30 mircea_popescu: trinque as a boy, i was very distraught to find from my mother that if one invents something, he doesn't merely have to say what it should be

04:01:33 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> nah that's jp << Japs introduced to baseball ways to make sure pitchers retire at the age they should just be getting interesting

04:01:35 mircea_popescu: but also, HOW to make it.

04:01:48 asciilifeform: ^ this really got me down, as a boy

04:01:53 asciilifeform: i also remember being told this.

04:02:03 mircea_popescu: i had a brilliant concept for a watch

04:02:09 asciilifeform: sorta assumed that grinder types would make it

04:02:10 mircea_popescu: steve blows stole my idea!

04:02:11 asciilifeform: if you told'em

04:02:18 mircea_popescu: see ? now that's something to envy.

04:02:21 mircea_popescu: this position.

04:02:33 mircea_popescu: fuck revolution, i want a computer that does what i mean.

04:02:51 decimation: ^ computer barbarism?

04:02:52 asciilifeform: revolution is so that you can make this 'computer' from meat.

04:02:56 asciilifeform: screaming, writhing meat.

04:03:04 mircea_popescu: you only think this works because you can't try it.

04:03:11 mircea_popescu: much like the alchemists of yore tricked the kings of yore

04:03:15 *: asciilifeform admits that can't try

04:03:23 asciilifeform: and yes, alchemists did not have access to fast neutrons

04:03:27 mircea_popescu: i can and have. it works as well as you'd expect, if you thinkj about it.

04:03:30 asciilifeform: may have cooled their enthusiasm, if they had

04:03:46 mircea_popescu: ie : when it works you didn't need it, and when it doesn't it doesn't help you anyway.

04:04:18 trinque: The best method I see is being more or less invisible until such time as one's wealth can be used to undermine the other thing.

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04:04:20 *: mircea_popescu references the "for honor" thread here

04:04:26 trinque: Hi, Satoshi.

04:04:29 BingoBoingo: The part where starting pitcher finishes game by tossing in the bullpen tends to lead to irreparable elbows. US pitchers jsut start getting interesting around 32-26, Japanese pitchers would be candidates for tommy joh 2, 3, or 4 at that age + cartiledge dammage

04:04:40 mircea_popescu: trinque what is this, "i'll date once i'm rich enough for it to work" ?

04:04:50 asciilifeform: trinque: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=07-04-2015#1090204

04:04:50 assbot: Logged on 07-04-2015 00:10:01; mircea_popescu: just like having a car doesn't alow having gasoline. it's true that often people who have cars also independently have gasoline, but the two are fundamentally unrelated, and there is such a thing as the fool's breakdown, ie, car's outta gas on the side of hte road.

04:05:41 asciilifeform: part of the reason for cutting heads is so that no one even begins to idly contemplate the notion that 'you didn't build that'

04:05:50 mircea_popescu: why do you care ?

04:05:52 decimation: lol https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erika_Mustermann

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04:06:15 BingoBoingo: Hardest part of making own car is what to do to cool steam while parked.

04:06:33 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: you let it out.

04:06:39 asciilifeform: and get new water from the spout.

04:06:45 mircea_popescu: ahahaha what

04:06:48 asciilifeform: like any decent locomotive in a civilized town.

04:06:53 mircea_popescu: you buildion train orcar lol

04:06:55 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: But then you have to feed fresh water or material gets released

04:07:03 BingoBoingo: From reactor of course

04:07:22 asciilifeform: run sodium cycle.

04:07:27 asciilifeform: to hell with water.

04:07:28 *: mircea_popescu is looking forward to his friends building own cars, will have inexhaustible supply of french fries thusly.

04:07:33 decimation: no, coal gas

04:07:53 BingoBoingo: Last time I planned car was ignorant of sodium cycling/Thorium reactors

04:08:45 BingoBoingo: Of course reactor goes in rear to allow for lead plate in seat backs

04:09:33 phf: there was a bunch of young pioneers car building clubs when i was growing up. that and model airplanes

04:10:14 decimation: it's my understanding that model airplanes mostly use electric engines now, no nasty 'glow gas'

04:10:15 *: BingoBoingo also later, in college conteplated building "Lotus 7" but remembered grander ideas. Decided was snooze.

04:10:36 *: asciilifeform missed all of the good stuff, but had elder brother. and thus from as old as could speak and think, already regarded civilization as a strictly past-tense affair

04:11:23 asciilifeform: decimation: i was quite surprised to learn that at least one of the 'self-beheading incident' model choppers was electric !

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04:11:33 asciilifeform: now ^ ~that~'s progress!

04:11:34 decimation: heh really

04:12:10 asciilifeform: 'here comes a candle to light you to bed, here comes a chopper to chop off your head' (tm) (r) (orwell)

04:13:42 decimation: actually electric would be much better in terms of throttle response

04:14:05 asciilifeform: this is why there was no (afaik) petrol-fueled model 'quadcopter'

04:14:06 phf: decimation: i thought electric stuff is what you get in a prebuilt models, you can still buy a nitro engine

04:14:21 decimation: yeah no electro-mechanical throttle

04:14:30 decimation: phf: sure, folks still use

04:14:43 decimation: to me the serious business is a full four-cycle engine

04:15:31 decimation: lol they even make wankel engine http://ludens.cl/aeromod/wankel/wankel.html

04:15:32 assbot: The OS-Graupner Wankel engine ... ( http://bit.ly/1fnxpjU )

04:15:36 asciilifeform: actually the real deal might be a locomotive-style drivetrain

04:15:49 asciilifeform: where petrol engine turns dynamo, which powers a mighty multicopter

04:16:04 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> this is why there was no (afaik) petrol-fueled model 'quadcopter' << Thought this was more because making differentials was hard

04:16:45 asciilifeform: mno

04:16:58 asciilifeform: you need rapid and extremely replicable control over thrust

04:17:01 asciilifeform: for the self-balancing deal

04:18:35 decimation: asciilifeform: yeah, that's why serious folks use turbines

04:18:48 phf: https://9c02d171-a-62cb3a1a-s-sites.googlegroups.com/site/gascopter/Description/3%20diff%20with_numbers.jpg

04:18:49 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1fnxDHO )

04:19:06 decimation: http://www.globalsecurity.org/intell/systems/predatorb.htm < predator has turboprop

04:19:07 assbot: MQ-9A Predator B UAV ... ( http://bit.ly/1fnxGDv )

04:19:21 decimation: plus plenty of power for electrics

04:19:22 asciilifeform: phf: how does this machine stay horizontal ?

04:19:26 asciilifeform: ailerons ?

04:19:53 asciilifeform: i mean, yes, it is elementarily possible to turn 1001 propellers from one engine if you wanted to

04:19:59 asciilifeform: but you don't get the gyroscope balancer thing

04:20:07 asciilifeform: where you can kick it and it stays in same place.

04:20:57 phf: asciilifeform: that's what it looks like, re ailerons, the image is from here http://www.gas-copter.com/Description

04:20:58 assbot: Description - Gas Copter ... ( http://bit.ly/1fnxRP2 )

04:21:34 asciilifeform: just pointing out that the appear of the multicopters is precisely that you don't need movable aerodynamic surfaces

04:21:41 asciilifeform: or much aerodynamism at all

04:21:56 asciilifeform: sorta the logical maximum of 'offload complexity to software'

04:22:00 phf: asciilifeform: right, it's a bogus website anyway. i was more curious how differentials look on a quadcopter, and that came up

04:22:12 asciilifeform: pertinently, i went for a walk in nyc on saturday

04:22:20 asciilifeform: in time square, found a ruined toy quadcopter

04:22:26 asciilifeform: worth no more than fiddybux when new

04:22:35 asciilifeform: gave it to a phriend, who will strip away the dirt, it will fly

04:22:44 asciilifeform: because just about all of the complexity is in the computer.

04:22:46 decimation: wow predator weighs 10k pounds

04:22:52 decimation: that's a big aircraft

04:22:54 asciilifeform: empty ?

04:23:12 BingoBoingo: decimation: Predator follows USg school of design which created "Abrams"

04:23:54 asciilifeform: decimation: source for the 10k?

04:23:59 decimation: no full takeoff weight

04:24:01 asciilifeform: i think this is a 4-5x overestimate

04:24:07 decimation: link above ^

04:24:22 decimation: "Another version of the Predator B, with a 20-ft. wing extension, started flying in late 2002. The standard MQ-9, at a takeoff weight of 10,000 lb., can carry 3,000 lb. of payload and 3,000 lb. of fuel."

04:24:26 asciilifeform: saw it in museum, hanging, fuselage was the size of a compact car

04:24:54 decimation: "The version with the wingspan extended to 86 ft., about the same as a 737 airliner, can carry 34 hr. of internal fuel. With two 1,000-lb. drop tanks and 1,000 lb. of weapons it can fly a 42-hr. mission."

04:25:28 asciilifeform: what's that for, nyc to afghan and back ?

04:26:00 decimation: no, so they can orbit about interesting areas for a long time

04:27:34 decimation: I remember watching a tv show about B-2 bomber crews. they showed a 'simulated bombing' of baghdad from nebraska

04:27:45 decimation: crew actually locked themselves in simluator for 40 hours

04:28:20 decimation: not nebraska, whitman afb in missouri

04:28:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64400 @ 0.00053053 = 34.1661 BTC [+]

04:30:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98259 @ 0.00055344 = 54.3805 BTC [+] {2}

04:31:28 decimation: can see one parked out front: https://www.google.com/maps/place/38%C2%B043%2758.0%22N+93%C2%B033%2717.0%22W/@38.7280112,-93.5562417,170m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x0

04:31:29 assbot: Google Maps ... ( http://bit.ly/1fnz20T )

04:31:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32773 @ 0.00055549 = 18.2051 BTC [+] {2}

04:32:13 asciilifeform: the infamous, original, flying goldentoilet

04:32:21 decimation: indeed.

04:32:26 BingoBoingo: <decimation> not nebraska, whitman afb in missouri << Drinking with friend at University of Central Missouri we played a game of guess which middle aged air force folk were B-2 pilots

04:32:39 decimation: heh

04:32:59 decimation: sounds like a boring job, honestly

04:33:06 decimation: take off, fly straight for 40 hours

04:33:19 asciilifeform: like commercial flying bus

04:33:38 decimation: yeah except mil bomber probably has fewer ammenities

04:33:42 BingoBoingo: !b 10

04:33:43 assbot: Last 10 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/254644N.txt )

04:34:20 decimation: I did a tour of wwii era bombers, they were horrible places in which to spend time

04:34:29 decimation: tiny crawlspaces, tiny cabins

04:34:34 asciilifeform: https://www.google.com/maps/place/38%C2%B043'58.0%22N+93%C2%B033'17.0%22W/@38.7393126,-93.551019,96m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x0 << dafuq is that

04:34:35 assbot: Google Maps ... ( http://bit.ly/1fnzmgb )

04:34:39 asciilifeform: old rusty tub ?

04:34:52 decimation: lol

04:35:56 asciilifeform: https://www.google.com/maps/place/38%C2%B043'58.0%22N+93%C2%B033'17.0%22W/@38.7478733,-93.5486403,192m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x0 << spare noses ?

04:35:56 assbot: Google Maps ... ( http://bit.ly/1fnzw7t )

04:37:04 decimation: that is rather odd, being off the flight line

04:37:50 decimation: asciilifeform: ah, it's a training area for fire fighters

04:38:41 decimation: which it is why it is next to that pond I think

04:39:03 asciilifeform: https://www.google.com/maps/place/38%C2%B043'58.0%22N+93%C2%B033'17.0%22W/@38.7532816,-93.5389835,192m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x0 << crater ?

04:39:04 assbot: Google Maps ... ( http://bit.ly/1fnzSeh )

04:43:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33260 @ 0.00053572 = 17.818 BTC [-]

04:48:44 trinque: mircea_popescu | trinque what is this, "i'll date once i'm rich enough for it to work" ? << perhaps bitcoin is well upstream of anyone's revolution

04:52:25 trinque: and perhaps structures that are quite old and have always been there will continue to work happily, while others may wither and die

04:52:36 trinque: seems to be the way life reacts to environmental change

05:02:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16102 @ 0.00053572 = 8.6262 BTC [-]

05:10:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64540 @ 0.00053777 = 34.7077 BTC [+]

05:20:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 117016 @ 0.00054525 = 63.803 BTC [+] {2}

05:24:22 mircea_popescu: wouldn't surprise me.

05:27:19 ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> you buildion train orcar lol << notrly that bad of an idea. external combustion engine has its upsides, among them workable in 'jungle conditions;'

05:27:33 *: ben_vulpes practicing hitting far right keys w/pinky

05:27:56 mircea_popescu: i never heard of the jungle train

05:28:17 ben_vulpes: gasenwagen though.

05:28:37 mircea_popescu: huh ?

05:29:07 ben_vulpes: ah hm wrong reference.

05:29:32 ben_vulpes: low-efficiency vehicles that burned * and pushed gas through pistons?

05:30:43 ben_vulpes: anyways, point of junglengine is to burn whatever's around and produce rotation. i've always planned this to be a 'tesla turbine' hooked to washing machine motor for ease of fabrication.

05:30:53 ben_vulpes: could just as easily be stirling.

05:33:54 mircea_popescu: seems to me jungle is everywhere cut down by diesel engines.

05:34:32 ben_vulpes: ain't much diesel left.

05:35:16 ben_vulpes: http://www.qnergy.com/qb-stirling-engines << mega-stirling

05:35:17 assbot: Bonneville Stirling Engine ... ( http://bit.ly/1GFgOOn )

05:41:09 BingoBoingo: plenty of diesel to be rendered from this lardberg https://slimgur.com/images/2015/07/22/aee495628dfc521fa0818befa8320b24.jpg

05:41:11 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GFhQda )

05:41:30 BingoBoingo: Moar diesel

05:41:58 ben_vulpes: you know BingoBoingo i think you have a thing

05:42:05 ben_vulpes: in the way that mircea_popescu has a thing

05:42:14 mircea_popescu: i hjave a thing ?!

05:42:25 ben_vulpes: oh don't be coy

05:42:32 mircea_popescu: coy's my thing!

05:42:43 BingoBoingo: Moar diesel https://slimgur.com/image/0A2

05:42:45 assbot: Thisfatfuck - SLiMGUR ... ( http://bit.ly/1GFi43Z )

05:43:02 BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: I'm jsut addressing the energy crisis

05:43:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10064 @ 0.00053572 = 5.3915 BTC [-]

05:54:08 assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 331 @ 0.00389903 = 1.2906 BTC [-] {4}

06:03:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35300 @ 0.0005502 = 19.4221 BTC [+]

06:12:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74600 @ 0.00055412 = 41.3374 BTC [+] {2}

06:16:24 cazalla: i thought mircea_popescu's black dick tumblr shots were bad but BingoBoingo is in a league of his own

06:23:16 BingoBoingo: https://i.imgur.com/oGm9WKi.jpg

06:23:17 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Vyy3vW )

06:23:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75797 @ 0.00052984 = 40.1603 BTC [-] {3}

06:24:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00052003 = 2.0801 BTC [-]

06:50:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39760 @ 0.00051893 = 20.6327 BTC [-]

06:54:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 126350 @ 0.0005187 = 65.5377 BTC [-] {2}

06:59:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17100 @ 0.00051906 = 8.8759 BTC [+]

07:05:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 130200 @ 0.00051695 = 67.3069 BTC [-] {3}

07:12:54 scoopbot_revived: Eulora's largest trade to date and assorted teologico-socioeconomic considerations http://fraudsters.com/2015/euloras-largest-trade-to-date-and-assorted-teologico-socioeconomic-considerations/

07:16:13 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-07-2015#1210123 << especially if that x is 70%

07:16:13 assbot: Logged on 23-07-2015 01:15:25; gernika: mod6 let me know if there's anything else I can do to help with this. Would suck if x% of pogos wedged at 168001

07:16:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12103 @ 0.00051906 = 6.2822 BTC [+]

07:24:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 191563 @ 0.00051634 = 98.9116 BTC [-] {3}

07:25:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11943 @ 0.00051417 = 6.1407 BTC [-]

07:30:57 mircea_popescu: meanwhile at feminisis hq, http://31.media.tumblr.com/322fdd2ccf1063c9c729a0399d8c0165/tumblr_n0w9ge4WfV1ra163eo2_250.gif

07:30:59 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1KlJQu2 )

07:43:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73100 @ 0.00051417 = 37.5858 BTC [-]

07:56:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18336 @ 0.00051417 = 9.4278 BTC [-]

08:19:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15437 @ 0.00051417 = 7.9372 BTC [-]

08:23:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 126400 @ 0.00051386 = 64.9519 BTC [-] {3}

08:29:28 cazalla: if BingoBoingo and mircea_popescu links had a baby http://i.imgur.com/VOVQFno.jpg

08:29:29 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1KlOM29 )

08:36:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47900 @ 0.00053006 = 25.3899 BTC [+]

08:50:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59300 @ 0.00052473 = 31.1165 BTC [-]

09:13:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5510 @ 0.00053006 = 2.9206 BTC [+]

09:20:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30250 @ 0.00053281 = 16.1175 BTC [+]

09:44:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29100 @ 0.00053281 = 15.5048 BTC [+]

10:19:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87200 @ 0.0005394 = 47.0357 BTC [+] {2}

10:20:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 149450 @ 0.00052767 = 78.8603 BTC [-] {2}

10:22:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49598 @ 0.00054512 = 27.0369 BTC [+] {2}

10:28:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83800 @ 0.00051357 = 43.0372 BTC [-] {2}

10:59:08 assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 316 @ 0.00353668 = 1.1176 BTC [-] {2}

11:27:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49250 @ 0.00051292 = 25.2613 BTC [-] {2}

11:31:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44200 @ 0.00051255 = 22.6547 BTC [-]

11:41:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 102300 @ 0.00053226 = 54.4502 BTC [+]

11:55:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 130950 @ 0.00053226 = 69.6994 BTC [+]

12:45:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20300 @ 0.00052982 = 10.7553 BTC [-]

13:09:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60550 @ 0.00051248 = 31.0307 BTC [-] {2}

13:11:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28000 @ 0.00052252 = 14.6306 BTC [+]

13:32:48 shinohai: Jesus Christ my email is unreliable lately, I'm going to have to find something better.

13:59:18 fluffypony: shinohai: Facebook messaging

13:59:21 *: fluffypony giggles

13:59:56 shinohai: kek never even had a "facebook"

14:00:47 shinohai: twitter is about the limit of my social media presence

14:07:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.00051531 = 10.3062 BTC [-]

14:08:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92002 @ 0.00051209 = 47.1133 BTC [-]

14:20:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 254800 @ 0.00051532 = 131.3035 BTC [+] {2}

14:22:13 shinohai: I guess I could join this shit: http://www.getcatter.com/

14:22:15 assbot: Catter - The first anonymous social media network for cats ... ( http://bit.ly/1LFusHN )

14:32:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3239 @ 0.00051534 = 1.6692 BTC [+]

14:39:32 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-07-2015#1210137 << i will repeat, i currently have no wedged nodes. even incitatus caught up yesterday and has been synced continuously since.

14:39:32 assbot: Logged on 23-07-2015 01:20:23; mod6: my one gentoo (all ascii's patches through verifyall x86-64/glibc) build got all the way up to where nsl is wedged. but my openbsd one is crawling along on verify all also... so far: height=220047

14:40:34 asciilifeform: mod6: dulap (s.nsa flagship node) unwedged on july 10 when i fixed its clock. 'zoolag' was never wedged in its whole life thus far.

14:40:56 asciilifeform: all three nodes are currently up

14:41:05 asciilifeform: 366601 at this time

14:41:16 asciilifeform: dulap has 71 peers which is a new record.

14:41:28 asciilifeform: zoolag - 63

14:41:35 asciilifeform: incitatus - 30

14:42:09 *: shinohai will report back with another node if he can ever build the damned thing.

14:42:18 kakobrekla: i have 195.211.154.159:8333 and 96.241.120.166:8333

14:42:23 kakobrekla: which is the third?

14:42:38 asciilifeform: 64.85.171.71:8333

14:42:43 kakobrekla: ok ty

14:42:43 asciilifeform: ^ incitatus

14:43:21 kakobrekla: do they have any dns entries set? (i know you cant use it directly)

14:43:35 asciilifeform: the first 195... is nosuchlabs.com

14:44:15 asciilifeform: 96... - zoolag.ddns.net

14:44:19 asciilifeform: 64... - none

14:44:57 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo et al: http://cointelegraph.com/news/114943/coinmx-operators-arrested-for-running-illegal-bitcoin-exchange << qntra ?

14:44:59 assbot: Coin.mx Operators Arrested for Running Illegal Bitcoin Exchange ... ( http://bit.ly/1LFwasC )

14:44:59 kakobrekla: i can put a b-a.link on them ?

14:45:02 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: aha

14:45:23 mod6: <+asciilifeform> 366601 at this time << ah ok. i'll start mine back up later. i had shut it down because it had been on the same block for >36 hours.

14:45:35 asciilifeform: mod6: what was this ?

14:45:44 asciilifeform: as in, what was running, built how, and on what ?

14:46:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 115214 @ 0.0005182 = 59.7039 BTC [+] {2}

14:48:55 mod6: it was: gentoo x86-64 glibc: v0.5.3.1+{ these patches in this order: http://dpaste.com/1CSFS1A.txt } built with stator build script. connected to: 195.211.154.159:8333 running with verifyall - ran great up until a few days back. we discussed this.

14:48:56 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1LFwvvs )

14:49:52 asciilifeform: link to thread ?

14:50:47 mod6: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-07-2015#1209148

14:50:47 assbot: Logged on 22-07-2015 01:11:24; mod6: asciilifeform: yeah, confirm that on ur one node i'm wedged at 365441

14:51:12 asciilifeform: and was this an '-addnode' or a '-connect' sync ?

14:51:16 mod6: -connect

14:51:38 asciilifeform: hm

14:51:41 mod6: -connect -myip -verifyall

14:52:27 mod6: i don't have much more info than that right now. can revisit later though for sure.

14:52:27 kakobrekla: ok, so theres now node1.b-a.link node2.b-a.link and node3.b-a.link

14:52:34 asciilifeform: neato

14:52:40 asciilifeform: i'd prefer the original names

14:52:49 kakobrekla: you can have both

14:52:58 asciilifeform: ty kakobrekla

14:53:12 asciilifeform: but must remind folks, no dns in therealbitcoin

14:53:15 asciilifeform: gotta ping'em

14:53:37 kakobrekla: its generally wise to avoid dns where possible

14:53:43 asciilifeform: aha

14:58:22 kakobrekla: dulap.b-a.link, incitatus.b-a.link, zoolag.b-a.link is set

14:58:29 asciilifeform: spiffy

15:01:51 *: asciilifeform bbl.

15:05:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78750 @ 0.00051241 = 40.3523 BTC [-] {4}

15:09:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16950 @ 0.00051736 = 8.7693 BTC [+]

15:21:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 133700 @ 0.00051005 = 68.1937 BTC [-] {2}

15:43:21 mod6: thanks kakobrekla

15:43:41 kakobrekla: muh plesuar

15:59:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78611 @ 0.00052186 = 41.0239 BTC [+] {4}

16:14:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 108700 @ 0.00052456 = 57.0197 BTC [+] {3}

16:24:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52800 @ 0.00053012 = 27.9903 BTC [+] {2}

16:35:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89100 @ 0.00051464 = 45.8544 BTC [-] {2}

16:41:23 shinohai: mats u there b ?

17:13:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 143852 @ 0.00051033 = 73.412 BTC [-] {3}

17:17:15 bitstein: ;;later tell pete_dushenski mazel tov!

17:17:15 gribble: The operation succeeded.

17:20:47 Adlai: ;;later tell pete_dushenski shetizke leamlot velo lemitzvot!

17:20:48 gribble: The operation succeeded.

17:21:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 171300 @ 0.00050937 = 87.2551 BTC [-] {4}

17:34:48 kakobrekla: ;;later tell pete_dushenski saj ni važno kaj je, le da bo zdrav fant.

17:34:48 gribble: The operation succeeded.

17:46:10 mod6: !up asciilifeform

17:46:14 mod6: !up ascii_field

17:46:47 BingoBoingo: !s coin.mx

17:46:48 assbot: 1 results for 'coin.mx' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=coin.mx

17:46:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 150900 @ 0.0005191 = 78.3322 BTC [+]

17:48:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 147612 @ 0.00053534 = 79.0226 BTC [+] {5}

17:59:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27900 @ 0.00053745 = 14.9949 BTC [+]

18:12:00 scoopbot_revived: Coin.mx Operators Arrested For Violating Anti Money Laundering Laws http://qntra.net/2015/07/coin-mx-operators-arrested-for-violating-anti-money-laundering-laws/

18:15:14 gabriel_laddel: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-07-2015#1210690 << Oh oh, let me guess!

18:15:14 assbot: Logged on 23-07-2015 05:41:58; ben_vulpes: you know BingoBoingo i think you have a thing

18:15:28 gabriel_laddel: If you're reading it, it's for you + wrong in all the right places?

18:15:35 BingoBoingo: https://archive.is/ZiWbe

18:15:36 assbot: Coin.mx Operators Arrested For Violating Anti Money Laundering Laws | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1KmQFsF )

18:16:49 trinque: just outlaw entrepreneurship and be done with it.

18:17:06 trinque: tired of this "just the tip" nonsense

18:17:13 gabriel_laddel: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-07-2015#1209698 << I would pay for a video of Stoya reciting PURSUING THE LIMITS OF FAILED SYMMETRY + a few other Schwartz works while being fucked.

18:17:13 assbot: Logged on 22-07-2015 14:48:21; mircea_popescu: actually it's probably ready for a revival, if people like stoya, kim kardashian and whoever else of the new slut generation can be arsed.

18:17:20 trinque: we can't even do communism right

18:17:26 gabriel_laddel: There is a lot to do in this vein, actually.

18:17:57 gabriel_laddel: Sasha Grey sorta got that, but only after she finished her career.

18:20:20 gabriel_laddel: Or instead of the "stupid student fucks teacher" trope, reverse it. Stud teacher is teaching Taylor's therom incorrectly, smart, slutty student explains & fucks.

18:21:33 gabriel_laddel: With lots of hitting, choking and "give me the CORRECT solution you stupid slut"

18:21:53 trinque: bahaha, this is more insight into gabriel_laddel's fetishes than I ever needed

18:22:54 *: gabriel_laddel didn't even know he was into this, until now

18:23:00 gabriel_laddel: thanks MP

18:25:08 trinque: gabriel_laddel: I added conkeror to my stumpwm setup

18:25:21 trinque: one thing I don't like is that different conkeror windows do not have the same buffers list

18:25:34 gabriel_laddel: trinque: wtf do you have multiple windows for?

18:25:40 trinque: multiple screens.

18:25:45 gabriel_laddel: ah

18:25:47 gabriel_laddel: yeah, idk

18:25:51 gabriel_laddel: trinque: you prolly want the masamune "backdoor" for conkeror

18:25:55 trinque: I mean, it's a minor quibble.

18:25:58 gabriel_laddel: allows scripting with parenscript

18:26:07 gabriel_laddel: It still fucking sucks, but eh

18:26:07 trinque: I'm not gonna push ya to gimme masamune til you're done.

18:26:14 trinque: bu tI'll probably keep grabbing components in the meanwhile

18:26:15 gabriel_laddel: Just grab it

18:26:24 gabriel_laddel: .../masamune/browser/

18:26:29 gabriel_laddel: it's all in there

18:26:29 trinque: ok, I'll check it out

18:27:04 gabriel_laddel: there is a default .conkerorrc file that is required to run it called default-conkerorrc.js

18:27:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72000 @ 0.0005345 = 38.484 BTC [-]

18:27:41 gabriel_laddel: trinque: do you want CL work?

18:27:48 trinque: nah, I'm already maxed out

18:31:08 shinohai: ROFL: http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/jul/23/universal-pirated-copy-jurassic-world-seeded-from-its-own-servers

18:31:09 assbot: Universal finds pirated copy of Jurassic World seeded from its own servers | Technology | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1KmRVMr )

18:34:02 mats: shinohai: am here

18:41:48 trinque: shinohai: beatings for these hashbang people telling me to sh <(curl anythingontheinternet)

18:41:56 trinque: though I guess they acknowledge it in the source

18:43:19 trinque: tls 1.0, sha1 sigs, lol

18:43:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 283850 @ 0.00053804 = 152.7227 BTC [+] {3}

18:43:52 shinohai: trinque: they are trying to be clever. I never talk to most of 'em. I just pay my bill every month

18:45:37 *: shinohai always likes having extra shell capacity

18:49:42 mats: http://tsyrklevich.net/2015/07/22/hacking-team-0day-market

18:49:43 assbot: Hacking Team: a zero-day market case study ... ( http://bit.ly/1KmTBWb )

18:51:04 mats: these names, man

18:51:15 mats: >NEONNIPPLE: Office 2007, Word + Excel, required ActiveX control, required user interaction (going to Edit menu)

18:51:17 mats: >BACKPAIN-FUN ($100k): Multi-OS Flash SOP bypass

18:51:57 trinque: mats: has to go without saying at this point to disable flash...

18:52:12 trinque: browser plugins in general

18:52:50 mats: yeah. HT email archives suggest they have a couple Silverlight 0days, but i haven't seen it in any of the released code

18:53:35 mats: lots of folks vulnerable to those -- people not on Chrome that use Netflix for example

18:54:08 trinque: yep, and even on chrome doesn't it use that widevine thing?

18:56:26 mats: 'widevine' is for mobile, i believe

19:01:42 trinque: my chrome had it before I turned it off

19:02:37 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

19:02:52 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-07-2015#1210873 << Run Moar Winblowz!!!

19:02:52 assbot: Logged on 23-07-2015 18:49:42; mats: http://tsyrklevich.net/2015/07/22/hacking-team-0day-market

19:32:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81145 @ 0.00053788 = 43.6463 BTC [-]

19:38:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82550 @ 0.00051811 = 42.77 BTC [-] {2}

19:53:47 shinohai: The plot thickens: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-07-21/fbi-israel-make-securities-fraud-arrests-tied-to-jpmorgan-hack

19:53:48 assbot: Digital Misfits Link JPMorgan Hack to Pump-and-Dump Fraud - Bloomberg Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1CSRmdu )

19:53:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11926 @ 0.00051803 = 6.178 BTC [-]

20:02:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 103500 @ 0.00051126 = 52.9154 BTC [-]

20:11:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26669 @ 0.0005086 = 13.5639 BTC [-]

20:44:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99600 @ 0.00050812 = 50.6088 BTC [-]

20:58:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 161500 @ 0.00051295 = 82.8414 BTC [+] {4}

21:09:50 thestringpuller: ascii_field: https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/security.png << This is pretty much sums up your thoughts on the matter.

21:13:25 solrodar: ;;later tell ben_vulpes any progress with the boost problem you had with my script? What was the problem anyway?

21:13:26 gribble: The operation succeeded.

21:44:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 117700 @ 0.00050775 = 59.7622 BTC [-] {3}

21:52:16 scoopbot_revived: Universal Seeds Own Film to Pirates http://qntra.net/2015/07/universal-seeds-own-film-to-pirates/

21:52:46 BingoBoingo: https://archive.is/gEUsJ

21:52:47 assbot: Universal Seeds Own Film to Pirates | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1fpWxqc )

21:58:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 153057 @ 0.00051866 = 79.3845 BTC [+] {2}

22:00:09 mats: BingoBoingo: that's a confusing title

22:00:24 BingoBoingo: Which part?

22:02:29 mats: mostly 'Seeds'

22:03:19 mats: the sentence is hard to parse if you don't understand the bittorrent protocol

22:03:44 BingoBoingo: Or Bukkake

22:04:24 mats: 'Universal Unwittingly Shares Jurassic World with BitTorrent Pirates' mebbe

22:05:08 BingoBoingo: Fine, title updated url same

22:08:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40800 @ 0.00052588 = 21.4559 BTC [+]

22:10:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4750 @ 0.00052398 = 2.4889 BTC [-]

22:10:54 mircea_popescu: ;;ticker

22:10:55 gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 276.35, Best ask: 276.59, Bid-ask spread: 0.24000, Last trade: 276.23, 24 hour volume: 7131.42363814, 24 hour low: 275.56, 24 hour high: 278.44, 24 hour vwap: None

22:12:22 mircea_popescu: mats hanbot nubbins` http://fraudsters.com/2013/so-whos-running-the-courts-circus/#comment-114849

22:12:23 assbot: So who's running the Courts circus ? on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1fpYJ0Q )

22:13:58 trinque: so, deedbot- has an open port 7000 connection, yet it is absent here

22:14:01 trinque: wtf?

22:15:31 mircea_popescu: absent where ?

22:15:40 trinque: it is not on freenode

22:15:40 mircea_popescu: ;;seen funkenstein

22:15:40 gribble: funkenstein was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 18 weeks, 4 days, 22 hours, 20 minutes, and 37 seconds ago: <funkenstein> !register 6B0D10D1878DE25B4DA2695AB2B6360488298AB6

22:15:43 mircea_popescu: ;;seen funkenstein_

22:15:43 gribble: funkenstein_ was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 0 hours, 46 minutes, and 4 seconds ago: <funkenstein_> re: hastings, uconnect: "boston brakes" is the term used in reportage by veteranstoday and others

22:15:56 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell funkenstein_ hey weren't you pretending to be a dwarf ?

22:15:56 gribble: The operation succeeded.

22:22:42 mircea_popescu: ;;calc 1584*.199

22:22:42 gribble: 315.216

22:38:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32355 @ 0.00053172 = 17.2038 BTC [+] {2}

22:39:03 BingoBoingo: More reddit derps herping https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3ed681/nick_szabo_bitcoin_more_vulnerable_to_selfish/

22:39:04 assbot: Nick Szabo: Bitcoin "more vulnerable to selfish mining if delays become more prominent, e.g., in the case of larger blocks" : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1fq1nUi )

22:39:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90245 @ 0.00054253 = 48.9606 BTC [+] {2}

22:41:21 mircea_popescu: o wait, reddit disapproves of szabo now ?

22:41:58 BingoBoingo: Apparently

22:42:39 BingoBoingo: He was their Satoshi until he talked blocksize

22:44:30 mircea_popescu: must suck to be the dumb.

22:46:55 ben_vulpes: y'know trinque its probably cawsmic race

22:48:57 trinque: ben_vulpes: wut?

22:49:05 ben_vulpes: cosmic rays!

22:49:09 trinque: o lol

22:49:22 trinque: I'm gonna go with "wad of golang I'd rather kill than inspect"

22:51:53 mircea_popescu: ahahah

23:04:16 cazalla: http://i.imgur.com/BH3Vtoi.jpg

23:04:17 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1IpnxU5 )

23:05:45 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-07-2015#1210594 << very much this. there's little hope to get the gearing smooth enough

23:05:45 assbot: Logged on 23-07-2015 04:15:36; asciilifeform: actually the real deal might be a locomotive-style drivetrain

23:07:57 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-07-2015#1210625 << works spelndidly for a tank, that.

23:07:57 assbot: Logged on 23-07-2015 04:23:12; BingoBoingo: decimation: Predator follows USg school of design which created "Abrams"

23:09:33 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-07-2015#1210667 << quite this, and the next line.

23:09:33 assbot: Logged on 23-07-2015 04:48:44; trinque: mircea_popescu | trinque what is this, "i'll date once i'm rich enough for it to work" ? << perhaps bitcoin is well upstream of anyone's revolution

23:12:08 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-07-2015#1210798 << kickass.

23:12:08 assbot: Logged on 23-07-2015 14:58:22; kakobrekla: dulap.b-a.link, incitatus.b-a.link, zoolag.b-a.link is set

23:12:47 mircea_popescu: holy shit FANT is boy in slovenian ?!

23:13:14 mircea_popescu: this is so cute

23:13:37 mircea_popescu: (jack of cards is fante in romanian; young man about town idem).

23:13:56 mircea_popescu: and obviously, zdrav-an, ie, zdrav-like = strong, hearthy.

23:14:00 kakobrekla: hehe cool

23:14:34 mircea_popescu: is vazno off "to see" root ?

23:15:03 kakobrekla: vazno ~ pomembno ~ important

23:15:28 mircea_popescu: aha. how do you say to see ?

23:15:41 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-07-2015#1210833 << hehe it's how that place's been running for so long now...

23:15:41 assbot: Logged on 23-07-2015 18:17:06; trinque: tired of this "just the tip" nonsense

23:16:12 kakobrekla: "to see" would be close to 'videti'. sight is 'vid'.

23:16:17 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell gabriel_laddel so talk to her, odds are she'll do it.

23:16:17 gribble: The operation succeeded.

23:16:26 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla aha ty!

23:16:43 kakobrekla: anyway, that line goes something 'it doesnt matter what it is, as long as the boy is healthy.'

23:17:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64200 @ 0.00052398 = 33.6395 BTC [-]

23:17:27 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-07-2015#1210843 << np

23:17:27 assbot: Logged on 23-07-2015 18:23:00; gabriel_laddel: thanks MP

23:17:32 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla i got that :)

23:17:42 kakobrekla: ah :)

23:20:30 mircea_popescu: "As a result, their 0day providers tended to be small and unestablished. Some established exploit vendors, like VUPEN and COSEINC, did offer to sell Hacking Team exploits, but they were predominantly overpriced, second-rate, and not even 0day. As a result, Hacking Team was seriously exploit supply constrained because they had difficulty finding suppliers that they deemed reliable and reasonably priced. Their competitor

23:20:30 mircea_popescu: s, like Gamma International and NSO Group, prominently advertised their 0day capabilities, forcing Hacking Team to be defensive with prospective customers."

23:20:34 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform satisfied nao ?

23:23:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53200 @ 0.00053178 = 28.2907 BTC [+]

23:29:24 mircea_popescu: "Hacking Team's CTO claimed that VUPEN ?burned? their (presumably unsold) vulnerabilities after a set period of time to move the exploit market; putting their deployments in jeopardy." doh.

23:30:06 mircea_popescu: "Exploit portfolios: VBI regularly sent portfolio updates to its customers. Though they were encrypted, Hacking Team's habit of forwarding encrypted messages unencrypted means that many of them are accessible. "

23:30:10 mircea_popescu: fucktards. how about that ?

23:30:19 mod6: asciilifeform: the build we were discussing earlier is now up and running against 195.211.154.159 and seems to be pulling blocks again just fine.

23:30:27 mircea_popescu: "Several of these forwards included a PDF with VBI's entire exploit portfoli"

23:30:31 mircea_popescu: fucktard. HOW ABOUT THAT

23:30:37 mircea_popescu: he needed pdf don't you know.

23:30:44 mircea_popescu: buncha fucking amateurs this world is made out of i swear.

23:31:06 mod6: asciilifeform: up to, height=365462 now. and my other obsd build has been connected the whole time and still chugging along: height=224116

23:32:31 mircea_popescu: "Rosario is an Italian security researcher with specializations in browser security and fuzzing. [...] During this time he primarily focused on fuzzing SVG, XSLT, and XPath. He was paid $3.5k EUR per month" << alright ? guy made 50k a year. thinkaboutit.

23:33:13 mircea_popescu: "Fuzzer results: Though Rosario's fuzzers found numerous crashing test cases, like most fuzzer outputs few of them appeared exploitable. One of the first crashes that looked exploitable was an IE10 memory corruption that was patched within a week of its discovery. Soon after, Rosario found a Firefox crash that looked exploitable but only appeared to occur under memory pressure. Despite months of analysis, Hacking Team

23:33:13 mircea_popescu: was unable to turn this into a working exploit. It was discovered in October of 2013 and VUPEN used the same bug to win Pwn2Own in May of 2014."

23:33:16 mircea_popescu: geniuses over there.

23:33:46 mircea_popescu: i would say Vlad Tsyrklevich thoroughly vindicates my side in the original discussio re these schmucks.

23:34:40 mircea_popescu: they had to pick between opening webcam studio, call center or "security firm" and not able to find the female lips of either kind for either of the first two settled on what sweaty balls could do.

23:41:02 mircea_popescu: and guess what... "Vlad likes long romantic walks on the beach, e-mail him sweet nothings to vlad@tsyrklevich.net using his gpg key." links to keybase.

23:41:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51606 @ 0.00052398 = 27.0405 BTC [-]

23:41:48 mircea_popescu: too bad for him, he put all this effort into writing a neat article in the hopes of maybe impressing people, he's almost there and then he shoots his sale in the head with stupid associations like that.

23:42:04 mircea_popescu: i guess it's the fate of the aspiring 14% to never know what actually sunk their decade of effort.

23:44:46 mircea_popescu: omfg who the fuck got bloomberg to put that stupid lined paper background. what, they think ima think they're moar professional like this ?

23:45:44 mircea_popescu: "Though these are separate cases, some of the individuals are linked. A principal in the alleged securities-fraud scheme is a business associate of one of those charged in the Florida bitcoin operation, a friendship dating back more than a decade to their days at Florida State University.

23:45:44 mircea_popescu: The two are also identified in a previously unreported FBI memo that connects them to the investigation of the hack of JPMorgan as well as to incidents at Fidelity Investments Ltd. and E*Trade Financial Corp. JPMorgan officials argued initially that one of the largest U.S. bank hacks in history was the work of the Russian government."

23:45:59 mircea_popescu: herp. fancy this : governments currently confuse individuals for governments now.

23:49:09 mircea_popescu: " In June, JPMorgan reassigned Chief Information Security Officer Greg Rattray amid staff discord over his handling of the breach. Rattray and his boss, Jim Cummings, a former head of the U.S. Air Force?s cyber-combat unit, were the chief advocates of the theory that the Russian government was involved in the breach"

23:52:08 mircea_popescu: "On the 15th of this month Universal Pictures France filed a takedown request with Google (archived) demanding they remove from results sites hosting or linking pirated copies of Jurassic World. Among the addresses Universal demanded Google sanction was 127.0.0.1 which is the IP address a computer reserves for communicating with itself. This means that not only was Universal seeding its own film to pirates, it was like

23:52:08 mircea_popescu: ly doing so from the same machine used detect and prepare a report on infringement for Universal."

23:52:12 mircea_popescu: epic lol of all time.

23:52:55 mircea_popescu: of course, this looks a lot more like someone not knowing their way around a netstat dump than a legitimate thing. because i don't imagine torrents work so that a computer ever advertises itself as localhost.

23:53:07 mircea_popescu: they'd have seen it as whatever its ip actually were, if actually seeding.

23:55:03 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell bingoboingo "Yet, in the situation where the very fabric and reliability of the Internet at large is threatened it is no one prerogative care that they are offering on open Denial of Service attack amplifier on their connection." i think you accidentally a verb.

23:55:04 gribble: The operation succeeded.

23:57:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 233850 @ 0.00051523 = 120.4865 BTC [-] {2}

23:57:56 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-07-2015#1210976 << wai wat

23:57:56 assbot: Logged on 23-07-2015 23:20:34; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform satisfied nao ?

23:58:14 mircea_popescu: "Additionally, the FBI said that the Murgio sold bitcoins to victims of ransomware attacks such as Cryptowall. " << yeah, like various USG offices, including if memory serves a sherrif. i suppose this is now a crime, right ? selling bitcoin to the derps. them using public funds to pay the ransom IS FINE!

23:58:19 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-07-2015#1210981 << hanbot's node ?

23:58:19 assbot: Logged on 23-07-2015 23:30:19; mod6: asciilifeform: the build we were discussing earlier is now up and running against 195.211.154.159 and seems to be pulling blocks again just fine.

23:58:25 mircea_popescu: them having thew windows hole in the first time, for which they paid with more public funds, also fine.

23:58:29 mircea_popescu: just selling them bitcoin is bad

23:58:34 mircea_popescu: motherfucker shitforbrains.

23:58:53 asciilifeform: 'sold enemy of the crown water to drink' will eventually lead to gallows, yes

23:58:58 mircea_popescu: NO.

23:59:05 mircea_popescu: they sold the fucking crown AGENT water to drink.

23:59:10 asciilifeform: naturally

23:59:13 asciilifeform: how else caught !

23:59:16 mircea_popescu: nononono.

23:59:17 asciilifeform: !s strela

23:59:18 assbot: 19 results for 'strela' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=strela

23:59:24 mircea_popescu: the sold bitcoin to some derps who needed it to pay cryptolocker.

23:59:31 mircea_popescu: such derps = usg law enforcement.