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00:28:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24700 @ 0.00063674 = 15.7275 BTC [-] {2}

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01:06:34 BingoBoingo: Parents these days http://drgrumpyinthehouse.blogspot.com/2014/08/skool-nerse-time.html

01:06:35 assbot: Doctor Grumpy in the House: Skool Nerse time

01:11:25 BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/SwiftOnSecurity/status/502983932673916928

01:11:26 assbot: http://t.co/HLIJtfak2C

01:11:30 BingoBoingo: !up contrapumpkin

01:12:20 asciilifeform: http://handleshaus.wordpress.com/2014/08/17/procrustean-rashomon << mega-lol re: ferguson affair

01:12:22 assbot: Procrustean Rashomon | Handle's Haus

01:13:00 contrapumpkin: thanks :)

01:20:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16447 @ 0.00063469 = 10.4387 BTC [-]

01:26:26 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'd watch or at least read recaps of that show.

01:38:37 BingoBoingo: https://gs1.wac.edgecastcdn.net/8019B6/data.tumblr.com/a1912bf8cef45942af86faaf0bd9ffc9/tumblr_n85bixmkxt1t5fphqo2_500.gif

01:38:50 ThickAsThieves: <+kakobrekla> anyone seen anything liek this before http://shrani.si/f/47/UL/3m3knoYx/imag1961.jpg /// the streaking? i assumed it's a laser printer, you may have an expired head, or rollers/head are dirty. If you mean that most of the print is missing on the new one, well it could be a major malfunction, bad head. If you mean the dusting on the white area, you may have toner in your

01:38:50 ThickAsThieves: parts and the inside of the printer needs to be cleaned. That's off the top of my head.

01:38:54 BingoBoingo: https://gs1.wac.edgecastcdn.net/8019B6/data.tumblr.com/87dbddb8a655fdcaa8603cbc22728b9d/tumblr_n85bixmkxt1t5fphqo3_500.gif

01:39:33 ThickAsThieves: nice

01:39:51 kakobrekla: ThickAsThieves both prints should be all black

01:40:09 ThickAsThieves: have you tried a different head?

01:40:41 ThickAsThieves: if it's new it shouldn't need one...

01:41:00 kakobrekla: i have done 50 prints on it or so

01:41:12 kakobrekla: but i cant change the head even if i change the toner

01:41:37 ThickAsThieves: can you change the distance of the paper?

01:41:44 ThickAsThieves: all the dusting is also a problem

01:42:44 ThickAsThieves: probably just busted

01:43:19 kakobrekla: i guess so, doesnt seem to be a common problem

01:43:48 ThickAsThieves: is it the same paper?

01:44:39 kakobrekla: yup

01:44:48 kakobrekla: tried 3 different ones really.

01:45:41 ThickAsThieves: did you clean it at all?

01:46:02 BingoBoingo: http://38.media.tumblr.com/d3e13bd3eac0877f24791fc4ab95f890/tumblr_n5v7qqjeVF1rc7zl1o2_400.gif

01:46:03 ThickAsThieves: they are electrostatic, so if you use the wrong stuff on rollers or such itll fuck up shit

01:47:24 kakobrekla: electrostatic what?

01:48:36 BingoBoingo: http://33.media.tumblr.com/d3c2c22073f3fe29ca40f1814ea2877f/tumblr_n4glz0IOR51qax99wo2_500.jpg

01:49:14 ThickAsThieves: the paper has a coating that accepts charge, the head delivers it in the print pattern, the paper is run over toner and it sticks, then it is melted on, if any full-contact parts were cleaned and have residue, they will disrupt the process

01:49:58 ThickAsThieves: though a hard stop like you show would be a separate problem probably

01:50:10 BingoBoingo: I refuse to consider them proper "laser" printers until they work because the laser burns its message

01:51:21 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker

01:51:22 ThickAsThieves: i used to work on cart sized ESTATS, they were like industrial machine verisons of xerox uses for dye sublimation transfer plotting

01:51:22 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 510.0, Best ask: 510.06, Bid-ask spread: 0.06000, Last trade: 510.06, 24 hour volume: 15468.07364882, 24 hour low: 500.01, 24 hour high: 528.0, 24 hour vwap: 514.217278334

01:51:38 BingoBoingo: http://media.tumblr.com/a10a1980b62673f60ed27f88ccbebed6/tumblr_inline_mku619sgkc1qz4rgp.gif << Baby Polar bear being tickled

01:51:50 ThickAsThieves: needed to be calibrated and cleaned multiple times per day

01:52:36 ThickAsThieves: theyd break once a month

01:53:08 ThickAsThieves: laser printers are mostly shit in that regard

01:53:18 BingoBoingo: http://lexi-the-corgi.tumblr.com/image/81452424299

01:53:18 assbot: Corgis are Super Villains in Disguise : Photo

01:54:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13050 @ 0.00063476 = 8.2836 BTC [+]

02:21:20 BingoBoingo: !up youtubetard

02:21:21 penguirker: New blog post: http://fraudsters.com/2014/how-i-was-wrong-cuckolding-or-a-story-about-sigmas/

02:21:22 BingoBoingo: Hello

02:25:11 youtubetard: Says I have been voiced for 30 minutes? Still learning here.

02:25:53 BingoBoingo: youtubetard: Yeah

02:26:03 BingoBoingo: if you need more time just pm someone

02:26:40 BingoBoingo: as long as you act like a human being generally people are happy to voice you until you establish youself in the WoT and can voice yourself

02:26:57 BingoBoingo: youtubetard: So what is it you do?

02:27:09 youtubetard: ahh ok ok. Makes sense. I am reading up more so I don't come off as a troll lol

02:27:15 youtubetard: reading up more on WoT that is.

02:28:22 youtubetard: I work with Bitcoin and enjoy working with technology. I've done mostly consulting which is more or less just educating certain individuals and businesses on BTC, what it is, how it works, and why they should get some

02:28:35 youtubetard: What about yourself?

02:31:19 BingoBoingo: Well, I read a lot and sometime people ask me to do things.

02:31:41 BingoBoingo: I guess sometimes I "consult"

02:31:50 BingoBoingo: I also blag

02:32:00 BingoBoingo: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/03/18/regulation-of-magic/

02:32:02 assbot: Regulation of Magic | Bingo Blog

02:32:08 youtubetard: haha good answer.

02:34:00 BingoBoingo: Basically ever since 2004 when I bought a computer I've been waiting for an opportunity to use GPG and... Bitcoin afforded that.

02:35:43 youtubetard: haha very nice. Bitcoin has opened a whole new world to basically anyone will to learn/understand it

02:35:50 youtubetard: which is amazing if you really think about it

02:35:50 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

02:36:21 BingoBoingo: Indeed, so when did you get started?

02:40:43 youtubetard: I built and fiddled with various electronics when I was very little...leading to me building a computer. Came to a better understanding of real money and stable currencies, discovered bitcoin in 2010. and have pursued it ever since

02:40:50 youtubetard: with continued education of course

02:42:17 The20YearIRCloud: tada

02:42:36 The20YearIRCloud: I think we (Rentalstarter) will be having another webinar type thing September the 1st

02:44:03 BingoBoingo: Ah, even though ~2010 was when I first started reading on it, fucking library school. Wasn't until very late 2012 I started playing with it more seriously and 2013 that I started seeking introductions.

02:45:01 BingoBoingo: The20YearIRCloud: What sort of webinar?

02:45:10 youtubetard: ah, it does take time...BTC was deff sketch at first, but that's more so if you're used to seeing things from a consumer/comercial stand point

02:45:30 The20YearIRCloud: BingoBoingo: going over company financials, forecasting, where the company is headed in the short term

02:45:49 BingoBoingo: The20YearIRCloud: Ah

02:46:39 BingoBoingo: youtubetard: See my mistake was I imagined myself poor when I could have seized upon something powerful at the time... But instead dreams of librarian jobs danced in my head.

02:47:16 BingoBoingo: And I've always wanted to be an Emperor, or at least a lesser Lord of the Manor much more than I've wanted to be a librarian.

02:47:40 BingoBoingo: Alea Icta Est.

02:50:22 The20YearIRCloud: maybe some day you can start your own empire in a 3rd world country

02:50:59 BingoBoingo: The20YearIRCloud: Why not in the remains of a "superpower"

02:51:07 The20YearIRCloud: i think that'd be too expensive

02:51:35 BingoBoingo: https://gs1.wac.edgecastcdn.net/8019B6/data.tumblr.com/50e856c99a5ffd1de17fb854d7a3c0fc/tumblr_ms2czuAu8e1rstnrzo1_500.jpg

02:51:45 youtubetard: ^prices fluctuate. Just gotta position yourself...becoming a religious leader helps

02:51:58 BingoBoingo: The20YearIRCloud: Maybe if you plan to camp out there through all the intermediate steps

02:52:01 BingoBoingo: !up youtubetard

02:52:21 The20YearIRCloud: Eh, gdp between 2nd world and 3rd world is huge, much easier to pay some PMCs and take over a african despot than say kazachstan

02:54:14 BingoBoingo: GDP is a lie

02:54:59 The20YearIRCloud: Then let's say manpower * arms in inventory

02:56:05 youtubetard: There are a lot of factors involved.

02:56:35 BingoBoingo: Right, you could be the motherfucker who has the bomb and an acute shortage of lithium citrate syrup USP

02:56:47 youtubetard: lol very true

02:57:05 youtubetard: but, micro-states are on the rise no doubt.

02:57:43 youtubetard: especially with the use of crypto tech such as btc and being able to generate more free flowing economies

02:59:14 The20YearIRCloud: There are some pretty good candidate areas for micro countries if yo ucould break away effectively

02:59:36 BingoBoingo: Florisant Missouri being a prime example

03:01:06 BingoBoingo: The olds might forgive his neglect, but the youth are always going to think Obama's an Uncle Tom

03:01:24 youtubetard: lol

03:02:19 youtubetard: yea...Quebec will hopefully demonstrate a peaceful and constructive seccesion

03:02:51 youtubetard: although with the rate of bankrupt nations...it shouldn't be too difficult

03:07:09 The20YearIRCloud: is quebec gonna cede again?

03:07:49 The20YearIRCloud: along with scotland , NI and flanders?

03:12:03 youtubetard: one can only hope.

03:13:13 youtubetard: more complexity is the nature of all things in the long term. So the rise of many many many micro states is very likely. People see Liechtenstein's success

03:14:58 BingoBoingo: The weird thing is an independent Flanders is probably going to be more capable of keeping ISIS at bay than the combined efforts of the US and UK ever could

03:17:01 youtubetard: oh yea, I agree. If anything ISIS has seen the success of the TaliBann in creating a "Day the Mouse roared" scenario. The US continues to bleed and become bankrupt whilst attempting to maintain "stability" in a non-stabile enviorment

03:17:30 xmj: hm

03:17:39 xmj: gentlemen, I need your opinion on something.

03:18:00 youtubetard: shoot

03:18:04 xmj: What would make for a better home base in 2015 or 2016: Luxembourg, Monaco or Jersey/Guernsey?

03:18:56 youtubetard: great question. I don't see europe being safe honestly. While Monaco and other principalities are entering their golden age...the time to be there is now...not in 5 years +

03:19:32 youtubetard: but that's my opinion. Prices are high there, so I can't see a benefit financially

03:20:23 BingoBoingo: xmj: What about Serbia?

03:20:28 xmj: define 'safe'

03:20:38 BingoBoingo: xmj: Or Transndstria?

03:20:41 xmj: BingoBoingo: nah. Ukraine

03:20:56 BingoBoingo: Fuck that.

03:20:58 xmj: and yes, if Russia doesn't invade Ukraine is another option on the table.

03:21:08 The20YearIRCloud: I like singapore

03:21:10 xmj: BingoBoingo: You haven't been there. You haven't seen Ukrainian women on the streets.

03:21:15 xmj: ...or have you?

03:21:18 The20YearIRCloud: Poland is making alot of good choices

03:21:25 BingoBoingo: Ukraine is going to suffer full Russian invasion or not

03:21:38 xmj: The20YearIRCloud: Poland also has a catholic population, which is fucking annoying.

03:21:55 youtubetard: Russia is a good buy imo

03:22:04 xmj: Twenty-somethings going to church _every sunday_.

03:22:06 The20YearIRCloud: I'd be more worried about making the right decisions as a state than religious preferences

03:22:06 youtubetard: it will have cheep prices compared

03:22:36 The20YearIRCloud: uruguay seems to be a really good choice if they continue on

03:23:20 BingoBoingo: Russian is... interesting

03:23:57 xmj: meh

03:24:25 xmj: let's assume I want to something in the West. Which is either Anglo-Saxon, or Germanic.

03:24:31 BingoBoingo: But what if you love her ? What if you love what she?s doing to you, not necessarily for what it is but for it being her doing ? Maybe you even hate it for what it is, on some level, but because she?s doing it you love it anyway. Years later I read in a learned article that that?s exactly how women love, not for the thing but for its meaning, and I was enlightened. That?s what they mean by the meaning of things, do they ?

03:24:32 BingoBoingo: Well shit.

03:24:32 xmj: with low taxes.

03:24:41 BingoBoingo: !up youtubetard

03:24:42 The20YearIRCloud: If the US ever de-federalized, many would be in for a treat

03:25:13 xmj: de-federalized? you mean, proper central state, not just a fake one?

03:25:20 xmj: fake - in all but law

03:25:38 The20YearIRCloud: Meaning the federal goverment went back to the original role of only planning national defense and nothing else

03:25:58 The20YearIRCloud: Most US states are run pretty well, but when you add the federal goverment into it, it becomes a huge mess

03:26:26 BingoBoingo: This latest fraudsters MP put out is quite the read

03:26:27 youtubetard: lol very true...the fed is just spiraling into the darkness

03:26:45 xmj: ah

03:26:52 xmj: The20YearIRCloud: of course

03:26:58 xmj: I thought you meant the other way round

03:27:05 The20YearIRCloud: But state budgets, control, state/house makup, they're run well

03:27:25 xmj: well, they have no one to bail them out (cf Californian default)

03:27:27 The20YearIRCloud: Ohio is a prime example, in the past 10 years we've finally got a group in the house that knows what they're doing and are repealing a bunch of dumb laws

03:27:42 BingoBoingo: The20YearIRCloud: Ohio might suffer the most from reduced Federal dependence...

03:27:47 xmj: The20YearIRCloud: the funny thing is:

03:27:53 The20YearIRCloud: left to their own devices, California, Illinois, new york and maryland would implode

03:28:04 BingoBoingo: Oh, Illinois would split

03:28:12 xmj: US-american libertarians think they can fix the flaws of the Constitution by reverting to it.

03:28:13 BingoBoingo: Where, is to be determined

03:28:13 The20YearIRCloud: Yeah , they'd cut cook county off :D

03:28:27 BingoBoingo: Oh, most of the stuff sround there too.

03:28:31 youtubetard: still...smaller limited govmints where authority tends to be inhereted to the local inhabitants tends to be more stable....at least history tells us so

03:28:35 The20YearIRCloud: Yeah, but cook county would be a start

03:28:50 youtubetard: lololol constitution caused most of all the issues we have today

03:28:58 BingoBoingo: Split could run as far south as I-64 and I'd be happy

03:29:26 The20YearIRCloud: The problem wasn't the constitution, it was that people thought things weren't clear and decided they could deviate

03:29:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11200 @ 0.00063678 = 7.1319 BTC [+] {2}

03:30:01 xmj: youtubetard: you cannot credibly limit a government's authority

03:30:01 youtubetard: Russia I think will offer some great opportunities soon enough.

03:30:14 youtubetard: Correct. I fully agree

03:30:23 xmj: read Rousseau's Contract Social

03:30:27 The20YearIRCloud: i think russia could be quite interesting, but i also worry there's an equal chance they'll decided to go back to soviet era stupidity

03:30:28 BingoBoingo: Missouri would go back to the good old days of Quantrill and burn everything Kansas loves

03:30:55 youtubetard: but I also don't think humans will abandon goverments nor fiat anytime soon...think about human nature...only technology can really better the opportunities

03:31:25 youtubetard: yea...Putin seems to be very fond of the ole days

03:32:25 BingoBoingo: The US, India, Russia, and China all seem to have size related hazards

03:33:37 youtubetard: size as in geo+ population

03:33:41 youtubetard: ?

03:35:44 The20YearIRCloud: what do you mean with size related hazzard?

03:36:27 youtubetard: anyone familiar with Satoshis law?

03:36:54 xmj: what's worse about russia is, they don't seem to go back to russian era but to Tsarist era

03:37:05 xmj: just without any Romanov on top of the state.

03:38:15 The20YearIRCloud: that's where china is

03:38:27 xmj: china doesn't have a Tsar ?

03:38:28 The20YearIRCloud: essentially a somewhat less corrupt version of nationalist china, minus warlords too

03:42:47 BingoBoingo: Size as in population + walk to the next border

03:47:51 youtubetard: hmmm

03:48:00 youtubetard: I think they'll end up fracturing quite a bit

03:50:33 mircea_popescu: ahh juicy logs!

03:52:56 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: juicy fraudsters

03:53:27 mircea_popescu: i try.

03:55:43 BingoBoingo: !up youtubetard

03:56:29 youtubetard: all hail the assbot

03:56:33 youtubetard: brb

03:56:40 *: BingoBoingo exercises restraint this time, waits to do a sober read through before publishing piece on NYDFS extending their orders for the quaranteen of New York

03:57:23 mircea_popescu: mike_c: and as an aside, it is embarrassing for this channel that tweets are scraped and repeated from links but not references to the log! << yeah srsly.

03:57:39 BingoBoingo: After that post where I buried any point I was trying to make under three really fucking chewey sentences

03:58:41 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo is this ebola ?

03:58:54 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Which thing?

03:59:02 mircea_popescu: quarantine

03:59:33 BingoBoingo: No, I'm talking about Bitcoin simply writing off New York

03:59:48 mircea_popescu: oh.

04:00:29 BingoBoingo: Sure New Yorkers will Bitcoin, some might do it well, but... They won't do it under the Grand Wizard McNerdalot of the NYDFS's rules

04:00:38 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: or me not learning my lesson << gotta love the ambiguity in a functioning market.

04:01:00 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i dunno dood, so some guy in new york likes to write bitcoin fanfic. so what of it ?

04:01:07 mircea_popescu: whatever floats anyone's boat.

04:01:59 BingoBoingo: Fanfic is fanfic until Disney buys out Lucasfilm and they promise a feature film every year.

04:02:35 mircea_popescu: in this particular case, fanfic stays fanific. there's no disney to buy, no lucasfilm to buy and nothing to buy it with.

04:04:09 mircea_popescu: jurov: apparently mircea moved the decimal dot << dots are hard.

04:05:16 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell foofingers: Hi people. My is Daniel Marcus. I work together with asciilifeform. And I'm here to do some business with bitcoins. Thank you for having me! << welcome

04:05:16 gribble: The operation succeeded.

04:07:33 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all

04:07:37 mircea_popescu: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/22i768/raiffeisen_bank_international_internal_memo/ << lolz.

04:07:37 assbot: Raiffeisen Bank International internal memo : Bitcoin

04:07:37 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 508.46, vol: 14527.21042164 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 503.5, vol: 4397.79432 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 509.09, vol: 9838.05736514 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 525.0, vol: 15.14120676 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 504.15756, vol: 32436.49540000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 529.95437, vol: 9.94336694 | Volume-weighted last average: 505.933125334

04:07:47 mircea_popescu: teh lines do get drawn. for their safety.

04:09:05 BingoBoingo: lol, I can't believe I'm still snacking on Dates. Why the fuck did I buy so many dates?

04:10:06 mircea_popescu: dates rock.

04:11:33 BingoBoingo: Yeah, go great with Gin and Tonics

04:13:16 BingoBoingo: %p

04:13:19 atcbot: [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 1.47 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 770.80 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.01 TH/s

04:14:19 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: ottoman empire << 'the sultans' (n. barber) << yes.

04:15:34 mircea_popescu: also the extant memoirs of the various valide sultanas over the years.

04:17:52 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: i'm listening to Snow Crash currently, after getting burnt out on Taleb telling everything what it's problem is <<< ahahah good one.

04:17:57 mircea_popescu: total asshole, that guy, isn't he.

04:18:43 mircea_popescu: punkman: pete_dushenski: sounds like a death wish << i'd definitely mow him down. fucking biking hipsters.

04:20:12 mircea_popescu: bats_cd03: i know mircea_popescu would approve, somehow << are the chicks mensturating and defecating on some sort of holy black flag ?

04:21:19 mircea_popescu: %d

04:21:20 atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 231723.59 in 1798 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -87.66

04:21:29 mircea_popescu: look at that, maybe it'll live.

04:24:28 mircea_popescu: !up bats_cd03

04:24:39 mircea_popescu: why'd you evolve from mats to bats anyway ?

04:24:41 bats_cd03: ya isis flag

04:24:42 mircea_popescu: !up abathingape

04:25:03 abathingape: hmmm

04:25:04 mircea_popescu: bats_cd03 not bad. pity they didn't have bitcoin addy on tits.

04:25:14 bats_cd03: all i want is to fit in with da cool kids

04:25:32 mircea_popescu: me too!

04:25:57 bats_cd03: whats great is you can tell they've seen some shit, and those weapons ain't for show

04:26:05 abathingape: https://www.ssense.com/men/product/dolce_and_gabbana/navy-double-closure-high-top-sneakers/104266

04:26:07 assbot: Dolce & Gabbana: Navy Double Closure High-Top Sneakers | SSENSE

04:26:10 abathingape: oops wrong chat durp

04:26:32 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: Basically ever since 2004 when I bought a computer I've been waiting for an opportunity to use GPG and... Bitcoin afforded that. << a happy fate.

04:26:37 bats_cd03: some hajjis r gonna be mad when they find out there are women cumming to kill them and take their virgins

04:26:51 mircea_popescu: bats_cd03 and take THEM as virgins

04:26:57 mircea_popescu: which they are, right ? back there ?

04:27:07 mircea_popescu: abathingape and on what chan was that supposed to belong ?

04:27:09 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I know right

04:27:20 bats_cd03: (some hajjis believe you can't ascend to heaven if a woman kills you)

04:27:34 mircea_popescu: ;;google la petite mort

04:27:34 gribble: La petite mort - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_petite_mort; Urban Dictionary: la petite mort: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=la%20petite%20mort; La Petite Mort - 37 Orchard Street NYC: http://shoplapetitemort.com/

04:27:36 abathingape: #bitcointraders of course

04:27:42 bats_cd03: yeah definitely. young male virgins looove war.

04:28:00 bats_cd03: no holds barred? work for free.

04:33:04 mircea_popescu: youtubetard: more complexity is the nature of all things in the long term. So the rise of many many many micro states is very likely. People see Liechtenstein's success << this is actually a solid point, as unexpected and tenuous as it may seem.

04:33:26 mircea_popescu: from a macro perspective the average state size is so heavily upper bound and so set to drastically decline...

04:34:21 mircea_popescu: xmj: What would make for a better home base in 2015 or 2016: Luxembourg, Monaco or Jersey/Guernsey? << awful, all of them.

04:37:52 BingoBoingo: %p

04:37:54 atcbot: [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 1.71 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 679.56 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.31 TH/s

04:38:20 mircea_popescu: ;;calc 1.7 * 10 ** 6 * 2 * 7

04:38:20 gribble: 23800000

04:38:52 mircea_popescu: lol look at that, X-Rob is practically at even within a week.

04:39:02 mircea_popescu: i suck at mining futures.

04:40:08 mircea_popescu: !up Wexel

04:43:37 mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud: Most US states are run pretty well, but when you add the federal goverment into it, it becomes a huge mess << this isn't actually true. most of the rent seeking gunk is currently sucking out of washington because that's where the teats are, and so this gives the convincing but ultimately false impression individual states are better run.

04:43:58 mircea_popescu: should the teasts move, within a year and a half tops the local states'd be in such a mess you wouldn't believe your eyes.

04:44:04 mircea_popescu: dynamic equilibriums. always a bitch.

04:45:05 BingoBoingo: Missouri goes back to lead mining, Illinois mines coal, Ohio mines butthurt

04:45:17 mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud: left to their own devices, California, Illinois, new york and maryland would implode << exactly. they're also the only three examples where a trickle of leeching happens even with the federal govt (ie, it's where corrupt politicians try to build a career state-level)

04:45:53 mircea_popescu: (maryland excepted. i have nfi idea what it's even for. without washington it'd look like detroit five weeks after everyone grew wings)

04:52:16 The20YearIRCloud: I'm basing my statement on individual states based on balanced books and economic outlook, i realize that states suck the government teat, however if you look at total federal aid and who it goes to ,the big thing is military aid

04:52:52 mircea_popescu: not what i mean.

04:53:06 mircea_popescu: what i mean is, the porkbarrel leeches that curently push and deform washington

04:53:12 mircea_popescu: would just move over to ohio state capitol.

04:53:20 The20YearIRCloud: You also have to realize those politcians getting the pork are not the ones who run the state

04:53:23 BingoBoingo: The20YearIRCloud: A lot of military pork is spent in Ohio

04:53:29 The20YearIRCloud: Sure it is

04:53:41 The20YearIRCloud: The lima tank plant is prolly the best example of pork military spending out there

04:53:43 mircea_popescu: the entire "federal funds" thing has nothing to do with anything. they're not "federal" funds in any sense.

04:53:48 mircea_popescu: people made it.

04:53:50 BingoBoingo: And it being spent there eases the jobs of the state level comrades

04:54:19 The20YearIRCloud: The difference in most states is that you elect senators on a state-wide level, so it's very easy to stack votes in areas (And I blame it on fraud) leading to very centrist/leftist politicians in washington

04:54:22 mircea_popescu: sure. but if there were no feds, the same money would still be available.

04:54:36 mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud trust me, new gerrymandering would be invented.

04:54:44 mircea_popescu: the current system didn't exist before it was needed either.

04:54:59 The20YearIRCloud: For state senators, it's based on geographic districts, and the heavily urban areas have limited voting abilities, so here in ohio, 70% of state senators/house members are right/non-left

04:55:04 mircea_popescu: inasmuch as there's a public treasury somewhere, there's going to be a troop of people forcing it open.

04:55:13 mircea_popescu: wherever you houise it, washington or akron, they'll take a bus

04:55:17 mircea_popescu: they'll swim if they have to.

04:55:35 The20YearIRCloud: Sure, but if you look at each state, some states have essentially become mini-washingtons, and others are not

04:55:51 mircea_popescu: only because some states have stuff to be leached and some don't.

04:55:55 The20YearIRCloud: Not every state is constantly growing the size of government or increasing efficientcy

04:56:05 mircea_popescu: illinois is bigger and richer than ohio. so is california. so is ny. that is all.

04:56:14 The20YearIRCloud: Texas has plenty to be leached and they continue to have a balanced budget and generally more efficient finances

04:56:21 mircea_popescu: it's a matter of size not quality. once the pig is ripe, it gets sliced.

04:56:33 mircea_popescu: granted, texas is a decent-ish counterexample

04:56:49 The20YearIRCloud: Ohio is 7th largest in GDP

04:57:10 The20YearIRCloud: Florida is also leaps and bounds better than the liberal states, and they're large as well

04:57:22 mircea_popescu: i will call this variance.

04:57:28 mircea_popescu: by and large, it won't make a difference.

04:57:42 BingoBoingo: The20YearIRCloud: If we go truly paleo Illinois has so much more to sell in... Biodiesel...

04:58:06 The20YearIRCloud: take out chicago and illinois isn't bad

04:58:15 The20YearIRCloud: just like upstate NY and most (geographically) of california

04:58:27 The20YearIRCloud: it all comes down to dense urban areas vs everyone else

04:58:42 The20YearIRCloud: urban areas want to control everything, rural areas typically don't

04:58:46 mircea_popescu: just because rural folk are slow doesn't mean they're immune from falling.

04:58:49 BingoBoingo: The20YearIRCloud: But without Chiraq where do you harvest easy lipids for rendering?

04:59:03 The20YearIRCloud: people

04:59:20 BingoBoingo: ANd where are they?

04:59:48 The20YearIRCloud: People are in cities

05:00:17 BingoBoingo: Like... SHitcago?

05:00:28 The20YearIRCloud: Yeah, and detroit, saint louis, atlanta, chicago, ect

05:00:54 The20YearIRCloud: I'm curious what would happen to cities if they do what some counties have done here in Ohio and effectively end police service

05:01:21 mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud you're like, a proud ohio citizen or something, are ya ?

05:01:22 The20YearIRCloud: half of my county has no police service, some counties have one officer who works half a day

05:01:43 The20YearIRCloud: I enjoy the state severely, lots of business, but I can also own a machine gun or drive a tank down the highway

05:01:55 The20YearIRCloud: It's kind of like texas, but we have snow

05:02:50 mircea_popescu: well, never knew one before.

05:03:19 BingoBoingo: I mean I like parts of illinois, but Missouri is the way to go.

05:03:37 The20YearIRCloud: my wife's family is from missouri, i wouldn't mind living out there at all

05:03:39 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo yeah but i suspect he likes it in the way of pick up a rifle and form a picket.

05:03:47 The20YearIRCloud: but the state is severely offset by the idocy in st louis :D

05:04:19 The20YearIRCloud: her family is about 2hrs south-west of springfield

05:04:23 The20YearIRCloud: in the middle of literally nowhere

05:04:40 The20YearIRCloud: which is what makes it even better

05:04:50 BingoBoingo: The20YearIRCloud: So Fallout already happened there http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/08/18/a-crude-map-of-missouri-because-where-is-ferguson-anyway/

05:04:52 assbot: A Crude Map of Missouri, because where is Ferguson anyway? | Bingo Blog

05:05:57 The20YearIRCloud: you're just referencing the riots?

05:07:09 The20YearIRCloud: BingoBoingo: are you in IL or MO?

05:07:19 The20YearIRCloud: or are you in west st louis?

05:07:26 The20YearIRCloud: *east st louis

05:07:58 BingoBoingo: The20YearIRCloud: ATM I'm happily in undifferentiated IL

05:08:25 BingoBoingo: Where you can't really tell the difference from Benton to Pekin

05:08:33 The20YearIRCloud: Not too bad i guess, although you get to enjoy the legal blessings of chicago

05:09:20 The20YearIRCloud: I've been by effingham

05:09:34 BingoBoingo: No, I wander the "Big Jail" because allegedly people can dump their fucking High School drama on my shit. Also Political speech seems to totally not be legal in IL.

05:10:40 The20YearIRCloud: yaeh

05:10:50 The20YearIRCloud: i guess monett is only a hour outside springfield

05:15:42 decimation: re: maryland :: it's pretty much nonsensical sprawl, decay, overpopulation in a swamp

05:16:06 BingoBoingo: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=708261.0

05:16:06 assbot: Coinurl scum

05:16:06 *: BingoBoingo likes ben_vulpes lack of serious competition

05:16:37 decimation: as Mr. Yarvin says, perhaps one day the mighty Patomack will once again flow unvexed into the Chesapeake

05:17:33 BingoBoingo: Not as Yarvin says, as poor Jimmy from Fallout 3 says

05:18:50 mircea_popescu: ^

05:19:45 BingoBoingo: DC wil be worthless, you will have to pick through the boats anchored in the harbor to find refuge

05:20:01 BingoBoingo: Or an overbuilt monument

05:21:55 decimation: if that day comes I claim FDR's head

05:23:58 BingoBoingo: You see outside of the pits that were Tactics and the playstation first person shooter, but Fallout 3 as the worst of the rest of the games had plenty of redeeming lulz in its chosen setting

05:24:12 asciilifeform: lol i step out for a few hours and we have fdr's head

05:24:18 asciilifeform: why i always miss the goodstoff

05:25:11 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Probably the same reason which gives you meatspace colleagues worth refering here

05:25:17 decimation: that monument was the most pointless waste of real estate on the mall

05:25:41 decimation: somehow a phallus was good enough for washington, fdr needs to have sprawling 'teaching moment'

05:26:09 *: BingoBoingo remembers the "Mall" as a place full of the Jaundiced and Juiced

05:26:44 decimation: ascii when the day comes I'll help you dissolve the rock around FDR's neck :)

05:27:24 decimation: from lol scholarship: http://mercatus.org/expert_commentary/does-status-quo-us-federalism-advantage-progressives

05:27:24 assbot: Does Status Quo U.S. Federalism Advantage Progressives? | Mercatus

05:27:48 decimation: "Virtually every strongly conservative state has more liberal policies than predicted, and so does virtually every liberal state. " no shit

05:29:12 BingoBoingo: From what I can tell the only demographic group >500 people that benefited from the Obama regime so far were the gays

05:29:39 decimation: bezzle finance did pretty well

05:29:40 BingoBoingo: I mean if the situation for the blacks improved... would there be a Ferguson?

05:29:59 BingoBoingo: bezzel finance is small

05:30:05 asciilifeform: deck chairs / titanic.

05:31:06 *: asciilifeform liked mircea_popescu's mafia story and should like to hear more one day.

05:31:35 BingoBoingo: http://fraudsters.com/2011/in-sprijinul-eugeniei/ << How did I miss this earlier

05:31:37 assbot: In sprijinul eugeniei pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

05:32:22 decimation: BingoBoingo: did the gays really benefit? now they pay extra tax like regular folk

05:32:46 []bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "BTC Difficulty over 31Bn before October" http://bitbet.us/bet/1028/ Odds: 81(Y):19(N) by coin, 80(Y):20(N) by weight. Total bet: 31.48701626 BTC. Current weight: 92,701.

05:33:00 BingoBoingo: decimation: Or avoid tax on their approved bezzels, but they get good feels. They are IN the fold nao.

05:33:39 decimation: extend and coopt, it's how the power game is played

05:35:19 BingoBoingo: But why the gays and not the young black men, a group he was once a member of.

05:35:52 decimation: because blacks vote 99% democrat, therefore making their opinions on any political matter void

05:36:23 kuzetsa: I lived in mississippi for a few years, and there were totally black republicans there

05:36:33 BingoBoingo: And Homos don't?

05:36:40 kuzetsa: the black vote wasn't anywhere near 99% democrats

05:36:49 decimation: bored housewives care about gays

05:37:21 BingoBoingo: Oh, they totally do. It's all they can watch on Bravo anymoar

05:38:17 decimation: kuzetsa: http://www.people-press.org/2012/08/23/a-closer-look-at-the-parties-in-2012/, sorry it's closer to 88% nationally

05:38:18 assbot: Nothing found for 2012 08 23 A Closer Look At The Parties In 2012 ,

05:39:02 kuzetsa: decimation: in mississippi, it was even less though, since basically everyone there is republican

05:40:49 decimation: In certain areas it is higher: http://www.amren.com/features/2012/11/race-and-the-2012-election/ Blacks, who accounted for 28 percent of voters and gave him 97 percent of their vote, handed Mr. Obama the state with a resounding 62 percent majority.

05:40:51 assbot: Race and the 2012 Election | American Renaissance

05:41:24 BingoBoingo: http://fraudsters.com/2013/fire-in-alabama-lets-make-the-most-of-it/#identifier_0_47409

05:41:25 assbot: Fire in Alabama, let’s make the most of it. pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

05:42:57 BingoBoingo: !up RebeccaBitcoin

05:43:05 RebeccaBitcoin: awesome, thanks bingo

05:43:10 RebeccaBitcoin: didn't even have to deal with gribble

05:43:18 BingoBoingo: decimation: This isn't about all blacks though

05:43:31 RebeccaBitcoin: Although I could be an imposter, so thats not cool

05:43:39 BingoBoingo: This is about the young ones, the ones still being shat on

05:44:07 BingoBoingo: RebeccaBitcoin: When you get remembered that becomes an issue

05:44:21 RebeccaBitcoin: ;p

05:45:20 BingoBoingo: Observe what a JD and asbestos litigation job does to a young revolutionary's twitter feed https://twitter.com/CourtneyRLogan/with_replies

05:45:21 assbot: Courtney R. Logan (CourtneyRLogan) auf Twitter

05:47:21 BingoBoingo: Dude pumps a self published book and tweets abotu #Ferguson once

05:48:34 BingoBoingo: This isn't a value judgment, this is an observation. People who have, or imagine they have something to lose lose the revolutionary edge.

05:49:36 BingoBoingo: People with nothing to lose have no reason not to burn the world.

05:50:12 BingoBoingo: Any particular Micheal Brown need not figure into it at all.

05:50:37 BingoBoingo: Other than as a spark that warms the tinder.

05:52:42 mircea_popescu: <decimation> if that day comes I claim FDR's head << good thing to claim.

05:52:48 mircea_popescu: if i cared more i'd prolly try for the same.

05:53:00 BingoBoingo: Both Americans who caught Ebola walked out of the hospital this week thanks to some expensive ass monoclonal antibodies. That Liberians can't can them means what? Sure it was an experimental drug, but as far as experimental drugs do they don't get much safer.

05:54:15 BingoBoingo: *go

05:56:29 BingoBoingo: Sure, the US could work on Ebola eradication if they hadn't spent so much on tilling the ground for ISIS. The Grad students and persons incrediby deserving the title of Herr Doktor could be on parade.

05:57:01 BingoBoingo: Butt...

05:57:27 BingoBoingo: Apparently RUF wasn't sufficiently for the people...

05:57:57 BingoBoingo: And the Queen wouldn't seceed Scotland in the name of Amin's good health

06:01:10 BingoBoingo: !up alex_c

06:01:15 BingoBoingo: Hello alex_c

06:02:04 alex_c: hello :)

06:02:43 BingoBoingo: What's up alex_c

06:10:55 BingoBoingo: I have to wonder if part of the current downturn is hanbot not acting as MPOE-PR and being the Nystatin that keeps mold from ruining the Da Vinci http://fraudsters.com/2013/of-mice-and-men-revisited/#footnote_2_46944

06:20:47 BingoBoingo: http://fraudsters.com/2013/people-bitcoin-is-not-worth-100-dollars-per-stop-buying/#identifier_2_47130

06:20:48 assbot: People! Bitcoin is not worth 100+ dollars per. STOP BUYING! pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

06:25:43 BingoBoingo: http://fraudsters.com/2013/of-mice-and-men-revisited/#footnote_0_46944

06:25:44 assbot: Of mice and men, revisited pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

06:27:51 BingoBoingo: !up SuchWow

06:28:16 decimation: http://28sherman.blogspot.com/2014/08/unified-theory-on-watergate.html << nice rambling on Nixon. made me reconsider my views on the man, given that he looks like a complete genius compared to Obama (re: foreign policy)

06:28:17 assbot: 28 Sherman: Unified Theory on Watergate

06:28:17 BingoBoingo: SuchWow: I know you don't like temp voice, but... How is Doge doing?

06:29:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39262 @ 0.00063396 = 24.8905 BTC [-] {4}

06:29:26 decimation: his theory is that Nixon was going to actually try to throw out all the fdr-era holdovers in the civil service and replace them with 'his people', and the civil service conspired with the press to destroy his presidency

06:30:25 BingoBoingo: decimation: Not impossible at all

06:30:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24188 @ 0.00063321 = 15.3161 BTC [-] {2}

06:38:59 BingoBoingo: !up [KS]

06:39:19 BingoBoingo: [KS]: Do you know if I have a warrant out for being cool yet?

06:47:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10800 @ 0.00063805 = 6.8909 BTC [+] {2}

06:57:39 decimation: !up Suchwow

07:02:16 SuchWow: may i please have perm voice?

07:04:11 fluffypony: ;;gettrust assbot SuchWow

07:04:14 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user SuchWow: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=SuchWow | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=SuchWow | Rated since: never

07:04:31 SuchWow: ok lol

07:04:34 SuchWow: wut i have to do

07:04:44 fluffypony: you have to get into assbot's L2

07:05:00 SuchWow: eli retard plz

07:05:19 fluffypony: ok you need to be rated by one of these people: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=assbot&sign=ANY&type=SENT

07:05:19 assbot: Rating Details for User 'assbot'

07:05:32 fluffypony: here's some reading on it: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/04/11_bitcoin-assets-new-wot-and-voice-model.html

07:05:33 assbot: #bitcoin-assets new WoT and voice model

07:05:36 SuchWow: i have no desire to go to that site lol

07:05:50 fluffypony: well then you can't have perm voice.

07:06:07 SuchWow: who is kakobrekla

07:06:19 fluffypony: what do you mean who is he?

07:06:21 fluffypony: he's a person

07:06:28 SuchWow: that person could fix this is all i'm saying

07:06:38 fluffypony: fix it how?

07:06:45 fluffypony: none of us are on the chanserv access list

07:06:52 fluffypony: we are all in assbot's L1 or L2 trust group

07:06:53 SuchWow: he/she is +F

07:07:00 SuchWow: they most certainly can give me +v

07:07:14 fluffypony: ;;gettrust assbot fluffypony

07:07:15 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask fluffypony!~fluffypon@coreteam.monero.cc. Trust relationship from user assbot to user fluffypony: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 8 via 8 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=fluffypony | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=fluffypony | Rated since: Sat Apr 6 08:20:32 2013

07:07:18 fluffypony: see

07:07:32 SuchWow: [03:05:38] *ChanServ* 1 kakobrekla +AFRfiorstv [modified 2 years, 19 weeks, 1 day, 11:49:32 ago]

07:07:32 fluffypony: SuchWow: he will not give you chanserv flags, so don't even dream

07:07:58 SuchWow: why not?

07:08:04 fluffypony: there's a way things are done here, I've explained that way and linked you to the relevant resources

07:08:13 fluffypony: if you choose not to read up on it there's not much I can do about htat

07:08:15 SuchWow: that is fine

07:08:18 BingoBoingo: SuchWow: Well, what do you do in BTC/Crypto?

07:08:35 SuchWow: i've also explained why i am annoyed by the constant temp upping for sev months nows

07:09:00 BingoBoingo: SuchWow: Well, if people knew your schtick you could get perm voice

07:09:07 SuchWow: BingoBoingo: nothing. I've been quite clear that i have nothing to say in this chan, and once i do, i will gladly speak up

07:09:19 SuchWow: however, i've literally been temp upped 30 times

07:09:25 SuchWow: and it's annoying

07:09:40 SuchWow: hence i humbly ask for the third time to just perm up me, or leave it alone please

07:09:45 BingoBoingo: SuchWow: Well, have you tried an IRC bouncer with good connectivity to limit your join/parts?

07:10:00 SuchWow: i am on avg connected for 3-5 days at a time

07:10:04 SuchWow: w/o bouncer

07:10:22 SuchWow: it just seems to me

07:10:30 SuchWow: that if you all feel comfortable enough

07:10:35 SuchWow: to constantly temp up me

07:10:37 SuchWow: for months

07:10:38 BingoBoingo: It seems like that, but on day 4 you join/part 10 times in a row, so I temp up you

07:10:45 SuchWow: that you should feel comfortable enough to +V me

07:10:48 SuchWow: that is all

07:11:16 SuchWow: i have never join/part 10 times in one day

07:11:17 SuchWow: now way

07:11:20 SuchWow: *no

07:11:25 BingoBoingo: SuchWow: Well to lend to trust to perm +V... We'd have to have an idea of what you do. If you liek to lurk that''s fine

07:11:41 SuchWow: i'm an op of #dogecoin since Dec 10

07:11:51 SuchWow: i'm in 60+ freenode chans since then

07:11:57 SuchWow: not sure what else you want lol

07:12:00 BingoBoingo: But even people who can offer voice to themselves here get temp upped

07:12:08 SuchWow: I've never once been kicked from any chan

07:12:13 BingoBoingo: ask peterl

07:12:20 kdomanski: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nPQQlGCrO4

07:12:21 assbot: Fantastic Capote et Wonder Capote - YouTube

07:12:23 SuchWow: i don't want the ability to voice others

07:12:25 BingoBoingo: or copumpkin

07:12:41 SuchWow: i just want to not be pinged everytime my connection resets and i rejoin this chan

07:12:56 fluffypony: SuchWow that still won't work

07:13:05 fluffypony: you have to explicitly ask assbot to !up you when you reconnect

07:13:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12350 @ 0.00063809 = 7.8804 BTC [+]

07:13:09 fluffypony: it's not automatic

07:13:13 Vexual: !up SuchWow

07:13:17 Vexual: good dog

07:13:49 SuchWow: whatever, i ask kakobrekla to please make an exception, because i have 9 months track record of perfect behavior, and there is no reason not to

07:13:50 BingoBoingo: <SuchWow> i'm an op of #dogecoin since Dec 10 << This and not getting kicked ever just doesn't say much on what you do

07:14:02 SuchWow: i do nothing

07:14:08 SuchWow: i'm just here to obserrve

07:14:08 mircea_popescu: <decimation> bezzle finance did pretty well << insanely well.

07:14:11 BingoBoingo: Everyone one does something

07:14:15 SuchWow: and people continually up me

07:14:16 SuchWow: for months

07:14:20 SuchWow: every time i join

07:14:30 SuchWow: i've literally never once had anything to say

07:14:44 BingoBoingo: People up me when I join and haven't log caught up and can't speak informedly yet

07:14:50 BingoBoingo: Hazard of the channel

07:14:58 SuchWow: well i'm just saying

07:15:05 SuchWow: there's like 50 ppl here with voice

07:15:12 SuchWow: and most of them don't say anything either

07:15:15 Vexual: literally?

07:15:19 BingoBoingo: In -otc doe you worry when people check ;;ident or ;;gettrust?

07:15:25 SuchWow: so could we just please add me, and i'll continue to not say anything ever?

07:15:26 BingoBoingo: ;;gettrust SuchWow

07:15:26 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user BingoBoingo to user SuchWow: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=BingoBoingo&dest=SuchWow | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=SuchWow | Rated since: never

07:15:36 fluffypony: SuchWow: if you're just here to observe why do you need voice?

07:15:44 SuchWow: and maybe one day, if i get to your level, i'll say something

07:15:51 RagnarDanneskjol: I'm sure you have plenty to say.

07:15:55 fluffypony: all of those people with voice - every single one of them - is in assbot's L1 or L2 trust group

07:16:07 fluffypony: if you don't bother to understand the rules why should anyone make an exception for you?


07:16:12 fluffypony: !down SuchWow

07:16:19 fluffypony: such caps.

07:16:28 BingoBoingo: SuchWow: Even if you could self voice... No one gets voice on joining except the bots

07:16:32 BingoBoingo: !up SuchWow

07:16:36 SuchWow: [03:16:02] <SuchWow> IF I WANT TO SAY SOMETHING I WILL PM YOU

07:16:39 SuchWow: that's all

07:16:48 mircea_popescu: <decimation> because blacks vote 99% democrat, therefore making their opinions on any political matter void << i dun think this is true.

07:16:50 SuchWow: just leave me alone and let me be lol

07:17:09 BingoBoingo: Now I'm just going to up you to be a dick, at times you least expect it

07:17:18 SuchWow: lol

07:17:26 BingoBoingo: !down SuchWow

07:17:29 BingoBoingo: !up SuchWow

07:17:38 SuchWow: ooo who's the troll with voice now

07:17:41 BingoBoingo: !s SuchWow

07:17:41 assbot: 29 results for 'SuchWow' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=SuchWow

07:17:43 SuchWow: not me lol

07:17:50 SuchWow: sorry if that's what it takes

07:17:52 SuchWow: to get voice lol

07:18:00 BingoBoingo: Trolling is healthy

07:18:08 SuchWow: indeed

07:18:12 BingoBoingo: Keeps people honest

07:18:16 SuchWow: but that is not what this chan is about

07:18:27 SuchWow: at all

07:18:34 SuchWow: but enjoy your perma voice

07:18:37 SuchWow: troll

07:18:40 BingoBoingo: Well, keeping people honest is a large part of what this chan is about

07:18:47 SuchWow: totally unrelated topic

07:18:49 BingoBoingo: and I don't have permavoice

07:19:03 mircea_popescu: <RebeccaBitcoin> Although I could be an imposter, so thats not cool Although I could be an imposter, so thats not cool << impostor of... whom ? some chick on the interwebs ?

07:19:05 BingoBoingo: I have to auth with gribble and pm assbot as everyone else does

07:19:21 SuchWow: i have no desire to trade

07:19:27 SuchWow: so why should i auth with gribble

07:19:44 BingoBoingo: !up mpmcsweeney

07:19:59 BingoBoingo: SuchWow: SO your words have weight of identity

07:20:13 SuchWow: i've stood by my words for 9 months

07:20:18 SuchWow: in the 9 chans i op

07:20:30 BingoBoingo: SuchWow: http://fraudsters.com/2013/of-men-and-mice/

07:20:33 assbot: Of men and mice pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

07:20:38 SuchWow: i just come here to learn

07:20:39 BingoBoingo: Why care about OP

07:20:47 SuchWow: and ppl up me like i have something to say

07:20:48 SuchWow: i don't

07:20:53 fluffypony: SuchWow: you register with gribble because it's a web of TRUST, not a web of TRADES

07:21:02 SuchWow: i don't understand the topics here enough to comment on them

07:21:03 BingoBoingo: How can we know you have nothing to say?

07:21:07 SuchWow: but i understand they are important

07:21:11 SuchWow: so like i said 4 weeks ago

07:21:16 BingoBoingo: SuchWow: I mean you OP 9 channels

07:21:22 BingoBoingo: Surely you see shit we miss

07:21:22 SuchWow: either give me +V or just stop upping me please

07:21:32 SuchWow: not at all, you're being ridiculous BingoBoingo

07:21:33 mircea_popescu: <SuchWow> i have no desire to go to that site lol <fluffypony> well then you can't have perm voice. << i like how neatly this works. army-like almost.

07:21:43 SuchWow: then cool

07:21:47 SuchWow: so again i nicely ask

07:21:52 SuchWow: as i've asked for weeks now

07:21:59 SuchWow: could you please not up me unless i ask for it

07:22:03 SuchWow: that's ALL i've ever asked

07:22:14 SuchWow: is only because you keep doing so

07:22:18 SuchWow: that this convo is taking place

07:22:27 fluffypony: too late, I've already written a script to randomly up you every 1-4 days

07:22:29 mircea_popescu: SuchWow you know i haven't did :)

07:22:32 BingoBoingo: I drink a lot which lets me forget these things

07:22:55 fluffypony: I can make it more frequent if you'd prefer, every 12-24 hours?

07:23:10 SuchWow: i don't WANT voice - i just want to stop GETTING voiced for no reason, which pings me at start, and again 30 min later

07:23:11 RagnarDanneskjol: better to do random time intervals

07:23:19 mircea_popescu: he has a point tho.

07:23:24 SuchWow: hence why I just say 'make me perma voice' lol

07:23:30 SuchWow: so i don't have to even notice

07:23:34 mpmcsweeney: hey all

07:23:38 mircea_popescu: SuchWow i guess one way to go about it is ignore assbot.

07:23:40 BingoBoingo: Perma voice doesn't exist here

07:23:44 BingoBoingo: hey mpmcsweeney

07:23:44 mircea_popescu: hello mpmcsweeney

07:23:48 SuchWow: i joined irc in 92

07:23:53 mpmcsweeney: I heard about this IRC through a colleague

07:23:54 SuchWow: i've never once used the /ignore command

07:23:59 SuchWow: i don't intend to start today

07:24:02 mircea_popescu: now that's an accomplishment.

07:24:03 mpmcsweeney: whats the purpose of this chat?

07:24:16 fluffypony: mpmcsweeney: to irritate SuchWow, apparently

07:24:19 SuchWow: mpmcsweeney: see /topic

07:24:39 BingoBoingo: SuchWow: Write 1750 words of commentary on this post http://fraudsters.com/2013/of-men-and-mice/ and I'll lend you a +1 to self up

07:24:40 assbot: Of men and mice pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

07:24:42 SuchWow: it is to talk about bitcoin based commodities, like stocks and stuff

07:24:44 mpmcsweeney: ooh so this is a market place

07:24:47 mpmcsweeney: thats cool

07:24:57 RagnarDanneskjol: bdsm, high brow vulgarity

07:24:57 SuchWow: but where you can buy shares using cryptocurrency

07:25:01 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla how difficult would it be to have yet another assbot list and a command. if someone goes !novoice then assbot never 30min voices them again

07:25:04 mpmcsweeney: interesting

07:25:08 mpmcsweeney: what kind of volume?

07:25:08 mircea_popescu: but instead says "sorry, this person has nothing to say"

07:25:21 mpmcsweeney: (if its possible to ask)

07:25:32 BingoBoingo: !mpif

07:25:33 assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021697 B (Total: 474.46 B). Delta: -0.06 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00022 BTC [+]

07:25:37 SuchWow: mircea_popescu: see, you get me lol. and yes, i remember you being here the last time we had this conversation and so i thank you :)

07:25:41 SuchWow: a simple solution would be

07:25:49 SuchWow: don't voice someone who hasn't asked for it :)

07:25:52 Vexual: ignore

07:25:52 SuchWow: *simpler

07:25:58 mircea_popescu: SuchWow often there are noobs here.

07:26:01 SuchWow: because maybe one day i do want voice

07:26:09 mircea_popescu: and i don't just mean people who don't know irc. i mean people who barely grok computers.

07:26:18 SuchWow: oh i understand that entirely

07:26:22 mircea_popescu: like that miss florida girl or w/e she was

07:26:31 SuchWow: if it is newbs you wish to cater to

07:26:36 SuchWow: than may i recommend

07:26:37 mpmcsweeney: SuchWow you have a presence in #dogecoin no?

07:26:38 BingoBoingo: The thing is many people get pinged for things they couldn't care less about.

07:26:42 mircea_popescu: not wish. but sometimes people need to be here that are noobs.

07:26:44 SuchWow: you utilize a standard irc hierarchy

07:26:49 BingoBoingo: But that doesn't make it spam

07:26:51 mircea_popescu: like, journos, sec comissioners and so on.

07:27:01 mircea_popescu: willy nilly bitcoin forces a lot of fiat know nothings into here.

07:27:12 BingoBoingo: !s reutersemily

07:27:13 assbot: 233 results for 'reutersemily' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=reutersemily

07:27:16 Vexual: ill train you to use ignore, it's pretty a standard doge trick

07:27:21 SuchWow: BingoBoingo: I've been temp-upped 20+ times. I've never had one single thing to say.

07:27:29 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo in fairness emily was quite adept, netiquette et all.

07:27:35 SuchWow: i refuse to use ignore. it's juvenile and immature imo

07:27:38 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Indeed she was

07:27:44 mircea_popescu: well apparently sometimes it's just functional.

07:27:46 SuchWow: i just boycotted this chan for weeks

07:27:54 BingoBoingo: Prolly one of the best

07:27:55 SuchWow: and this week i come back, and here we are again

07:28:02 mircea_popescu: SuchWow you could just read the logs on the webpage i guess

07:28:08 Vexual: well expect to get pinged

07:28:12 mircea_popescu: if you dun wanna be here.

07:28:16 SuchWow: i do

07:28:19 BingoBoingo: until assbot goes down an leaves holes

07:28:20 SuchWow: i just have nothing to say

07:28:22 SuchWow: yet

07:28:25 SuchWow: if i do

07:28:28 SuchWow: i will let you know

07:28:34 SuchWow: and ask for an up or whatever

07:28:44 RagnarDanneskjol: seems like you're quite the chatterbox to me

07:28:52 mircea_popescu: only when he has nothing to say :D

07:28:54 *: BingoBoingo wonders what sort of alert SuchWow has set for IRC pings

07:28:55 SuchWow: i've said nothing relevant to this chan

07:29:15 SuchWow: whatever, troll me all you want

07:29:16 BingoBoingo: SuchWow: You've said so much though in little time tonight though

07:29:17 SuchWow: i am untrollable lol

07:29:25 BingoBoingo: I'm serious

07:29:32 SuchWow: ok then

07:29:37 mircea_popescu: i am guess this whole shebang is quite revolutionary. it doesn't sit well with irc traditionz at all.

07:29:40 SuchWow: it's just a simple popup box that flashes

07:29:43 Vexual: many theme

07:29:45 BingoBoingo: You are highlighting parts of the infrastructure that work well

07:29:47 SuchWow: andthe chan is a diff color

07:29:52 SuchWow: that's all my alert is

07:29:57 SuchWow: but with 70 chans

07:30:02 SuchWow: ya know?

07:30:17 *: BingoBoingo imagined 1200 watts of sound or something

07:30:18 SuchWow: whatever it's cool

07:30:27 SuchWow: y'all have your own weird way of doing things

07:30:30 SuchWow: and that;s cool

07:30:37 mpmcsweeney: the great IRC stream

07:30:38 SuchWow: just stop upping me unless i ask for it

07:30:42 BingoBoingo: It will prolly only get weirder

07:30:43 SuchWow: the people upping me know who i am

07:30:46 SuchWow: that's why i'm asking

07:30:53 mircea_popescu: SuchWow amusingly enough : even if you were added to assbot l2 : you probably would not up yoruself every time you joined

07:30:57 SuchWow: if i really have something to say

07:30:57 BingoBoingo: Well, no. You could be a nicksquatter

07:30:58 SuchWow: i will ask

07:30:58 mircea_popescu: and so people would STILL up you

07:31:05 BingoBoingo: ;;ident SuchWow

07:31:05 gribble: Nick 'SuchWow', with hostmask 'SuchWow!~SuchWow@unaffiliated/suchwow', is not identified.

07:31:06 SuchWow: clearly i am identified

07:31:09 SuchWow: and not a squatter

07:31:14 SuchWow: you are now super clearly a troll

07:31:21 SuchWow: enjoy your perma voice lol

07:31:27 mircea_popescu: there's a special gribble ident assbot uses

07:31:29 mircea_popescu: not the nickserv one.

07:31:35 mircea_popescu: this is gpg-based.

07:31:37 SuchWow: yes i know that

07:31:43 SuchWow: i don't use -otc

07:31:43 BingoBoingo: gribble> Nick 'SuchWow', with hostmask 'SuchWow!~SuchWow@unaffiliated/suchwow', is not identified. << WHat part of not identified is challenging?

07:32:07 SuchWow: ok someone tell me the command i need to use to id with gribble

07:32:10 SuchWow: and i will type that

07:32:14 mircea_popescu: ;;eauth and ;;everify.

07:32:14 gribble: (eauth <nick>) -- Initiate authentication for user <nick>. You must have registered a GPG key with the bot for this to work. You will be given a link to a page which contains a one time password encrypted with your key. Decrypt, and use the 'everify' command with it. Your passphrase will expire in 10 minutes.

07:32:16 SuchWow: if that is what needs to be done

07:32:25 SuchWow: ;;eauth

07:32:25 gribble: (eauth <nick>) -- Initiate authentication for user <nick>. You must have registered a GPG key with the bot for this to work. You will be given a link to a page which contains a one time password encrypted with your key. Decrypt, and use the 'everify' command with it. Your passphrase will expire in 10 minutes.

07:32:27 decimation: I guess I started all this. One way of remaining silent in the face of being upped - is to remain silent

07:32:29 mircea_popescu: no i was just explaining that even if you did it it wouldn't help you.

07:32:31 SuchWow: ;;eauth SuchWow

07:32:31 gribble: Error: This nick is not registered. Please register.

07:32:47 RagnarDanneskjol: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets

07:32:47 assbot: first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki]

07:32:51 BingoBoingo: So ;;eregister

07:32:58 SuchWow: ;;eregister SuchWow

07:32:58 gribble: (eregister <nick> <keyid>) -- Register your GPG identity, associating GPG key <keyid> with <nick>. <keyid> is a 16 digit key id, with or without the '0x' prefix. We look on servers listed in 'plugins.GPG.keyservers' config. You will be given a link to a page which contains a one time password encrypted with your key. Decrypt, and use the 'everify' command with it. Your passphrase will (1 more message)

07:33:25 decimation: mircea_popescu: because blacks vote 99% democrat, therefore making their opinions on any political matter void << i dun think this is true. << what part, the 99% or the irrelevant?

07:33:25 mircea_popescu: SuchWow basically, the infrastructure is new, and there isn't an answer for everoyne's needs. you're a poster child for this problem.

07:33:44 SuchWow: it's cool i'll play the game

07:33:47 mircea_popescu: decimation both. they doin't vote 99% for one, and if they did, their oppinions would be relevant.

07:33:51 SuchWow: what is the GPG

07:33:59 mircea_popescu: in the sense that with a 99% block you have nothing to gain, but a lot to lose.

07:34:08 mircea_popescu: so you're invested in what they believe whether you like it or not.

07:34:12 SuchWow: i will read the wiki

07:34:16 BingoBoingo: SuchWow: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/pgpgpg-guide/

07:34:16 assbot: PGP/GPG Guide | Bingo Blog

07:34:16 decimation: yeah you are right, in Maryland the actual number was 97%

07:34:28 mircea_popescu: decimation in ONE election.

07:34:34 mircea_popescu: look at bush election say.

07:35:13 mircea_popescu: if the democrat party puts up a 2nd generation korean dude for presidency, 99% of koreans will vote with him

07:35:18 mircea_popescu: doth not mean they now vote democrat.

07:35:23 penguirker: New blog post: http://thewhet.net/2014/on-selling-bitcoin-the-idea/

07:36:38 SuchWow: way too much work, and i'm too drunk.i guess just up me when you want, and should the day come that i care, i'll set all that up

07:36:51 SuchWow: i'll stop bitching in the meantime

07:36:59 SuchWow: enjoy your chan

07:37:08 mircea_popescu: The stories all take place in the town of Gini, Virginia, with the intro sequence showing a large sign displaying: ?Welcome to Gini ? Proud to be a Diverse and Vibrant Community.?

07:37:16 mircea_popescu: dude haus has a brilliant idea for a series.

07:37:20 mircea_popescu: so is he making it ?

07:37:26 decimation: http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/US/P/00/epolls.0.html << blacks went 88% for kerry in 2004, 93% for obama in 2012

07:37:28 assbot: CNN.com Election 2004

07:37:33 decimation: http://www.cnn.com/election/2012/results/race/president

07:37:35 assbot: Presidential Race - 2012 Election Center - Elections & Politics from CNN.com

07:37:55 fluffypony: huh

07:37:55 fluffypony: mircea_popescu

07:38:01 BingoBoingo: SuchWow: I'm sorry if it seemed like I was trolling. Didn't realize you were hammered too.

07:38:05 fluffypony: apparently I only have 4 fraudsters credits??

07:38:18 mircea_popescu: fluffypony did your cookie expire ?

07:38:28 BingoBoingo: fluffypony: fraudsters restarted, put your cookie back in

07:38:33 fluffypony: maybe - but then shouldn't I have 0 credits?

07:38:35 SuchWow: it's all good

07:38:41 SuchWow: i get the ideal here

07:38:42 mircea_popescu: decimation seems you have a much stronger point than originally thought, re the 99%.

07:38:45 SuchWow: and it's not a bad one

07:39:04 mircea_popescu: fluffypony no because all new ips get 4 for free.

07:39:12 fluffypony: Credits: 49773. What's this ?

07:39:14 fluffypony: much better

07:39:18 BingoBoingo: SuchWow: Basically the main problem here is... There's a premium set on being sure who is speaking

07:39:48 BingoBoingo: SuchWow: Hence the hoops and the !uping passerby

07:39:54 decimation: note that in 2004 *registered Democrats* went to kerry at 89%, blacks went 88%. Also note that black women went Obama in 2012 at 97%

07:39:55 RagnarDanneskjol: http://contravex.com/2014/03/17/irc-yeshiva/

07:39:57 assbot: IRC Yeshiva | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski

07:39:58 decimation: nationally

07:40:17 decimation: registered democrats only went Obama 92% in 2012

07:40:31 SuchWow: BingoBoingo: i get it. and as it seems, it ensures proper conversation is taking place

07:40:43 SuchWow: and as far as irc is concerned, it's really not a bad tactic

07:40:54 mircea_popescu: decimation i never really gas about the race politics in the us, so all this is news to me.

07:40:56 SuchWow: i just wish someone could've explained it like that to me months ago when i first arrived :)

07:41:12 fluffypony: SuchWow: I linked you to a blog post about it

07:41:13 *: BingoBoingo went quiet from the time logs were introduced to the time MP started the Eve corp... pretty sure other people miss my silence

07:41:17 mircea_popescu: SuchWow a month ago you hadn't talked enough for us to know enough about you to know it'd be beneficial.

07:41:18 SuchWow: and possibly it IS explained in the topic. but whoever reads that lol

07:41:27 fluffypony: and you chose not to click and read

07:41:30 SuchWow: i've NEVER ONCE talked here lol\

07:41:35 mircea_popescu: exactly.

07:41:36 SuchWow: except about this lol

07:41:49 Vexual: many irc

07:41:57 mircea_popescu: it's the crying baby that gets the teat.

07:41:58 SuchWow: yet i was upped 20 times anyways lol

07:42:01 SuchWow: anyhow this is silly

07:42:07 SuchWow: yes it is my fault for not reading

07:42:13 SuchWow: partially your fault for endlessly upping me

07:42:17 SuchWow: it's all good

07:42:26 BingoBoingo: no

07:42:28 SuchWow: go back to your on topic convos lol

07:42:32 BingoBoingo: ;;google malpidity

07:42:32 gribble: Malpidity | Bingo Blog: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/08/04/malpidity/; The Idiocrats | Bingo Blog: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/08/05/the-idiocrats/; Ethics | Bingo Blog: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/category/ethics/

07:43:02 mircea_popescu: ;;ud glasshole

07:43:02 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Glasshole | A person who constantly talks to their Google Glass, ignoring the outside world. Glasshole: "Glass do this, Glass do that." Co-rider: Shut the fuck up and enjoy the  ...

07:43:04 mircea_popescu: they got that!

07:43:24 Vexual: kimdotcom's political apirations are getting bigger than his appetite for cheezeburgers after assets re-frozen

07:43:25 BingoBoingo: Inquiry is never wrong until your dick explores to find out if that scab was safe or not

07:44:51 decimation: Vexual: can you explain new zealand politics to me? it seems a cross between get-off-my-lawn and communism

07:45:16 Vexual: yeah that t sounds approximately true, i don't know much

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07:45:22 BingoBoingo: !b 2

07:45:23 fluffypony: SuchWow: one of my dogs just epitomised my reaction to this entire conversation - http://i.imgur.com/nQujc5S.jpg

07:47:01 Vexual: lol im green

07:47:30 SuchWow: fluffypony: yeah that's just about how i've felt both times

07:50:40 BingoBoingo: Is it just me or does hanbot blog with an unstated anger and foreboding that seldom comes through in mircea_popescu posts because mircea_popescu need not give a fuck

07:51:15 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i was just thinking, wow look at that, all he had to do is ask.

07:52:29 BingoBoingo: It is truly astounding

07:56:22 BingoBoingo: The SuchWow conversation was much like why I found this situation so lulzy https://bitcoinfoundation.org/2014/08/a-bitcoin-backbone/ when I linked it yesterday

07:56:22 assbot: A Bitcoin Backbone | The Bitcoin Foundation

07:57:45 BingoBoingo: It wasn't one of the muppets doing something useless and taking it on that the foundation was forced to highlight, but Bluematt introducing an if you can mine this helps, but otherwise things are as they always have been

07:58:04 mircea_popescu: !up SuchWow

07:58:23 SuchWow: BingoBoingo: what do you mean by that?

07:59:42 SuchWow: because i've read both, and i don't see the comparison

07:59:55 BingoBoingo: SuchWow: While the "core devs" endlessly debate a utxo command... Bluemat introduced a subnet for miners that allows them some optimization that has had the potential to be there all along.

08:00:17 SuchWow: right i get that. what does that have to do with the conversation you all had with me earlier?

08:00:59 BingoBoingo: SuchWow: Well imagine yourself a "core dev" imagining anyone gets automatic +v in this chan to avoid "getting pinged"

08:01:28 SuchWow: i've never once suggested that just anyone should get automatic +v

08:01:32 SuchWow: that's ridiculous

08:01:39 SuchWow: all i said was

08:01:45 SuchWow: once you +v someone a dozen times

08:01:46 Vexual: anyone not veryone

08:01:54 SuchWow: why not go ahead and perma it?

08:02:24 BingoBoingo: All this time you've imagined the fault was in others curiosity about you, when the problem is joining a channel and imagining people won't be curious

08:02:35 SuchWow: not at all

08:02:36 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform pity handle turns the entire thing into such a sad pro-govt piece.

08:02:44 mircea_popescu: he did start with good points.

08:02:45 SuchWow: the people +ving me know who i am lol

08:03:01 BingoBoingo: I have no idea who you are.

08:03:06 SuchWow: you're not the one +ving me

08:03:19 BingoBoingo: I often am +v'ing you

08:03:25 Vexual: i v+d you

08:03:36 Vexual: you barked, i didnt understand

08:03:47 SuchWow: i've never 'barked' here lol

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08:03:51 BingoBoingo: !b 7

08:04:06 SuchWow: nor anywhere for that matter

08:04:06 Vexual: steele down ginny

08:05:38 SuchWow: anyhow, peace be with you all

08:05:48 SuchWow: and gl with your assets

08:06:32 BingoBoingo: !down SuchWow

08:06:39 BingoBoingo: !up SuchWow

08:07:19 Vexual: don't annoy it, it might bite

08:08:02 SuchWow: i won't, and i'm not an it, but thanks

08:08:15 SuchWow: very kind of you all

08:08:22 Vexual: girl or boy?

08:08:22 BingoBoingo: Vexual: What good ole boy hasn't read Ole Yeller?

08:08:29 punkman: don't go hiding under the bed now

08:10:02 BingoBoingo: !up ColinT2

08:10:11 BingoBoingo: Hello ColinT2

08:10:38 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker -- market all

08:10:38 gribble: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitstamp. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure (1 more message)

08:10:56 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all

08:11:02 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 503.61, vol: 14868.49085206 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 499.93, vol: 3963.18673 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 502.0, vol: 7492.16425724 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 536.15, vol: 10.96877017 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 498.372252, vol: 29018.17490000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 529.95437, vol: 9.2990123 | Volume-weighted last average: 500.39418439

08:11:27 SuchWow: wow forget you all, sorry i even spoke

08:12:16 *: Vexual pats the nice doge

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08:12:23 BingoBoingo: !b 2

08:14:30 punkman: !up RedStallion

08:14:42 punkman: !up random_cat_

08:15:01 punkman: !up phish

08:15:31 BingoBoingo: !up KleinDe

08:15:49 punkman: !up cowloon

08:15:59 BingoBoingo: !up zling__

08:16:15 BingoBoingo: !u[ pharesim

08:16:26 BingoBoingo: !up toddf

08:16:29 xmj: good morning

08:16:36 BingoBoingo: Morning

08:16:39 Vexual: hi

08:18:36 Vexual: can we call atc bits bones?

08:19:13 Vexual: ThickAsThieves?

08:19:17 punkman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVSnqxXApH0

08:19:17 assbot: Maersk Gunhilde, South China Sea - South China Mall, China - 4K Time Lapse by Toby Smith - YouTube

08:21:05 Vexual: gopro or blackmagic?

08:21:53 punkman: blackmagic has 4k now? cool

08:22:34 punkman: thing needs more buttons less touch screen

08:25:14 decimation: punkman: careful, you might be upping people maliciously.

08:25:48 punkman: I was going for an animal themed name theme

08:26:55 mircea_popescu: punkman splendid.

08:27:31 punkman: !up kermit

08:34:14 punkman: http://hellogiggles.com/awesome-new-invention-date-rape-drug-detecting-nail-polish

08:34:15 assbot: Amazing New Invention: A Nail Polish That Detects Date Rape Drugs

08:34:55 Vexual: wake up: chipped

08:35:32 punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BvqYNQ5IcAAAvB7.jpg:large

08:42:18 Vexual: !up Heysteve dinosaw

08:42:36 HeySteve: hey

08:42:50 Vexual: hi

08:44:55 Vexual: !up RedStallion

08:45:53 Vexual: !up random_cat_

08:47:40 Vexual: !up trixisowned abathingape

08:50:33 Vexual: theres a `walked into a bar' joke there somewehre

08:51:17 Vexual: cat: ill just lick my balls

08:51:30 Vexual: horse: ill watch the cat

08:57:47 mircea_popescu: "An undergraduate team at North Carolina State University might have just revolutionized your make-up drawer. The four students are working to develop a"

08:57:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25300 @ 0.00063809 = 16.1437 BTC [+]

08:57:57 mircea_popescu: not quite the same as the title.

08:58:54 punkman: it's not equivalent?

08:59:55 mircea_popescu: equivalent it is, just... nisi valent.

09:00:32 Vexual: dinosaur: i just got deja vu

09:01:23 Vexual: frog: plays piano

09:04:37 Vexual: best trick is, the nail polis doesn't work

09:05:10 Vexual: it got swapped out earlier in the evening

09:05:23 mircea_popescu: Vexual you saying the dorks in the photo are moles working for the international directorate of date rape ?

09:06:22 HeySteve: http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0102772

09:06:23 assbot: PLOS ONE: The Science of Style: In Fashion, Colors Should Match Only Moderately

09:06:36 Vexual: that was my fiirst impressing

09:09:15 Vexual: put your fingers in the drink

09:09:39 Vexual: yep, you're in the wrong place

09:21:27 Vexual: invent pinky paint that detects pure flake, winrar

09:31:38 mircea_popescu: invent a condom package that detects eager sluts, save on all the rohypnol biz.

09:34:02 Vexual: they're going about things all wrong

09:42:47 assbot: usagi +v failed; L1: 0, L2: -5

09:43:13 Vexual: !up usagi monkey

09:46:33 Vexual: tathagata, the father buddah, said, "With out thoughts, we make thw world."

09:46:46 usagi: with out or with our?

09:46:58 Vexual: with rabbit, with

09:47:11 Vexual: that was a typo

09:47:44 usagi: It's a real shame that stuff like buddhism is regarded as esoteric

09:48:02 usagi: It really should have been able to merge itself a bit more into normal culture

09:48:05 Vexual: well...

09:48:47 Vexual: i aint the dalai lama

09:49:16 Vexual: but im pretty sure its laregly esoteric and also normal

09:50:34 Vexual: id wager theres more buddhists than whatever you do

09:52:00 *: usagi sips coffee

09:52:11 HeySteve: this looks like a clever scam: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-22/south-africa-reels-unexpected-bailout-one-bank-has-modest-proposal-give-us-your-gold

09:52:11 assbot: As South Africa Reels From Unexpected Bailout, One Bank Has A Modest Proposal: Give Us Your Gold | Zero Hedge

09:52:29 HeySteve: wonder how long before some respectable financial institution (cough) tries this with Bitcoin

09:53:06 usagi: "In other words, for the first time "holding" gold will pay a dividend (or in this case, interest)."

09:53:15 usagi: I don't even know where to begin with stuff like that

09:53:40 HeySteve: yeah, how can not holding it be holding it?

09:53:46 usagi: Almost every single word in the sentence is wrong

09:54:17 usagi: Well steve, there is a difference between zero value and positive zero

09:54:52 usagi: Like if I promise to give you a thousand dollars at some point in the future, that has value

09:57:13 HeySteve: ;;gettrust usagi

09:57:13 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask usagi!~tsukino22@unaffiliated/tsukino. Trust relationship from user HeySteve to user usagi: Level 1: 0, Level 2: -3 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=HeySteve&dest=usagi | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=usagi | Rated since: Mon Jun 18 12:33:55 2012

09:57:33 HeySteve: well not $1000 worth

09:57:37 usagi: "Investors may not hold gold in unwrought form according to South African law;" lol

09:58:00 chetty: <usagi> Like if I promise to give you a thousand dollars at some point in the future, that has value//only if your promise has value

09:59:22 usagi: actual and perceived value being completely different.. in the case of the bank the perceived value is probably very high.. The banks around here have been doing the same sort of thing for years

09:59:30 usagi: They allow you to invest in gold but they don't actually give you the gold.

09:59:54 usagi: It's actually impossible to ever redeem it. But the banks promise that they will buy back the gold you have on account with them should you want to sell it

10:02:12 HeySteve: on the face of it, the bank must relend the gold in order to pay the interest

10:02:13 chetty: <usagi> actual and perceived value being completely different..//being the root of much evil

10:02:23 HeySteve: so it's not just trusting the bank, but their counterparties too

10:02:36 HeySteve: not sure why anyone would go for this, but you always get idiots

10:02:46 usagi: Hmm yes and no

10:02:58 HeySteve: the interest rate is way too low for the risk imo

10:03:01 usagi: Let's say you have a reasonable amount of gold, more than a kilo say

10:03:19 usagi: If the wrong people find out it's in your house, they will come and get it from you (and they will, and they will get it)

10:03:33 usagi: Especially if you're in the wrong country at the time

10:03:56 usagi: So who's going to hold your gold... Normally you have to pay for such a service but here come these nice people offering to pay you money to hold it for you

10:04:28 HeySteve: hmm well gold does have its holding costs

10:04:50 HeySteve: a secret buried treasure chest is a lot more secure than a bank vault I'd say

10:05:12 HeySteve: it's like cold wallet... or coinbase?

10:07:25 punkman: private key being the gps coordinates

10:07:33 usagi: The only way I can imagine someone paying you to invest your gold with them is if they were selling it for an inflated price. I used to do that with TU.SILVER, I front-loaded my fee and the shipping cost into the share price

10:07:52 xmj: huh

10:08:00 usagi: But in any other case, if you give someone your gold and they pay you to hold it, the deal is that at some point in the future you won't be able to get it back

10:08:03 ThickAsThieves: this conversation is making me dumb

10:08:13 xmj: usagi: swiss banks have gold-denominated accounts

10:08:15 usagi: Gold is really simple to understand

10:08:24 usagi: You should be able to get this

10:08:41 punkman: lol

10:08:42 ThickAsThieves: not what i meant

10:08:59 xmj: of course it's simple.

10:09:15 usagi: Well what do you mean then tat?

10:09:30 ThickAsThieves: dont sweat it

10:10:18 usagi: hehehe

10:11:43 usagi: The value of gold expands to cover every other asset in the world including bitcoin

10:12:16 ThickAsThieves: ...

10:12:27 usagi: Aha.

10:14:28 ThickAsThieves: beta me to it

10:14:33 ThickAsThieves: beat*

10:14:43 assbot: usagi +v failed; L1: 0, L2: -5

10:18:21 Vexual: !up usagi

10:18:35 usagi: Tat if you have anything of value to add, so so.

10:19:06 usagi: do so* :p

10:20:51 Vexual: the man who shakes his head cannot see the way forward

10:21:20 mircea_popescu: fluffypony yeah, how's stuff there ?

10:21:54 mircea_popescu: !down usagi

10:21:57 mircea_popescu: fucking derpage.

10:22:49 fluffypony: lol

10:23:34 fluffypony: btw - that Michael O. Church article got sent to me today by a friend

10:23:48 fluffypony: "this is such an amazing experiment, I'm going to try this when I next look for a job!"

10:23:48 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

10:23:54 mircea_popescu: lol.

10:24:03 mircea_popescu: well.. wish him luck.

10:24:19 punkman: re: derpxperiments https://experiment.com/

10:24:20 assbot: Experiment | Crowdfunding Platform for Scientific Research

10:24:21 mircea_popescu: and i dunno why zh is making such a big deal out of it. a bond anchored to gold. what's so strange about it ?

10:24:30 mircea_popescu: the us reneged about 50 billion worth of them under fdr.

10:25:19 mircea_popescu: but anyway, fluffypony, still optimistic re sa ?

10:25:27 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: yes

10:25:41 xmj: why:)

10:25:49 mircea_popescu: i wish i could find a way to bitbet this. "sa is going to shit in a handbasket"

10:25:52 fluffypony: well

10:25:55 xmj: shift how?

10:26:01 Vexual: 20 million dead and half at the border from lead poisoning

10:26:03 fluffypony: that's entirely possible, MP

10:26:13 xmj: hm

10:26:17 fluffypony: and we're ready to move if it happens

10:26:20 fluffypony: but it's also possible it won't happen

10:26:23 mircea_popescu: jewland too. it's just not in the cards for that continent, having civilised countries there.

10:26:24 Vexual: no shit

10:26:25 xmj: exit plans are good.

10:26:26 fluffypony: so we're going to sweat it out

10:26:28 mircea_popescu: it's supposed to be a hunting reservation.

10:27:01 xmj: fluffypony: just make sure you have enough cash to bribe your way out, and a guy who can drive you through obstacles like borders and has been in the infantry.

10:27:15 mircea_popescu: they have their cat...

10:27:20 Vexual: drive outta za?

10:27:33 fluffypony: Vexual: to Bots

10:27:36 xmj: well you can take a Helicopter if you have one.

10:27:39 Vexual: 200 miles of zombies?

10:27:46 Vexual: *2000

10:27:51 xmj: I don't have a helicopter

10:27:54 fluffypony: lol Vexual - as opposed to NZ where all you can hope to do is swim?

10:27:55 fluffypony: :-P

10:28:35 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: the timelines are also interesting - if it goes to shit we'll be out long before it gets there

10:28:45 fluffypony: we're both EU citizens, so bailing out is a non-issue

10:28:54 mircea_popescu: not unless you get boiled like teh frog.

10:28:55 Vexual: you'll be selling infrasructure to half of africa before you break a sweat

10:28:58 xmj: fluffypony: what exactly do you expect for RSA's future?

10:29:14 mircea_popescu: lol ok. most of the people at katyn were eu citizens too.

10:30:01 fluffypony: xmj: I think there will be a to-and-fro for a few more generations - whether it does a "slippery slope" on either side of the scale remains to be seen, but once its worn itself out and theres more social equilibrium it'll be stable

10:30:37 xmj: to-and-fro what?

10:30:58 xmj: nice, i have 15min more to procrastinate.

10:31:37 mircea_popescu: fluffypony is this predicated on the general theory that the world is by and large a friendly place and most seeds once planted reach maturity and fruition ?

10:32:07 fluffypony: nah - people are basically full of crpa

10:32:08 fluffypony: *crap

10:32:17 fluffypony: xmj, to-and-fro in terms of extremes

10:32:19 fluffypony: I mean

10:32:27 fluffypony: you've got a large population that was opressed

10:32:40 xmj: I understand

10:32:44 fluffypony: and, by and large, didn't have opportunities for social improvement and education

10:32:46 xmj: I don't know which extremese

10:32:49 xmj: extremes*

10:33:01 fluffypony: so now there are people who *didn't* grow up under Apartheid who are in power

10:33:04 fluffypony: but they still carry baggage

10:33:11 fluffypony: because they had a shit childhood as a direct or indirect result

10:33:26 fluffypony: in another 1 or 2 or 3 generations that excuse no longer holds water

10:33:31 mircea_popescu: but after the African Bank bailout, why would anyone pay up on anything they owe to a bank there ? uncollateralized i mean.

10:34:04 fluffypony: then you have a shit childhood because your parents are idiotic or because of circumstances, not because of something that happened in the past

10:34:22 mircea_popescu: the justifications lake was never drawn dry.

10:34:23 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: yeah it's a tough one

10:34:38 fluffypony: I'm oba-observing and seeing how things play out

10:34:50 mircea_popescu: take the us as a fine example. the black ~~~minority~~~ there STILL thinks it's your fault.

10:34:53 mircea_popescu: and you don't even live there.

10:35:05 fluffypony: yeah the US is an interesting case

10:35:21 fluffypony: it's been, what, 80 years since slavery went out the window?

10:35:24 fluffypony: I don't keep track

10:35:25 mircea_popescu: got any example where the people with a good excuse generally went off the dole and built something ?

10:36:32 xmj: hmm

10:36:50 xmj: fluffypony: if your parents are idiots there's a 40%-80% chance you're an idiot yourself

10:36:56 fluffypony: xmj: word

10:37:06 mircea_popescu: i doubt intelligence even figures into all of this.

10:37:12 xmj: i'm currently reading my way through The Bell Curve, it's illuminating.

10:37:20 mircea_popescu: your average busker is pretty smart, yet it won't do much to have an islandful of buskers.

10:37:24 xmj: mircea_popescu: intelligence and poverty are related more often than not.

10:37:28 fluffypony: aight, I'm busy making stew - having people round for supper

10:37:29 fluffypony: http://www.my-easy-cooking.com/2010/04/13/green-bean-stew-another-south-african-classic/

10:37:29 assbot: Green Bean Stew - Another South African classic! - My Easy Cooking

10:37:30 fluffypony: bbl

10:37:33 mircea_popescu: only in certain sorts of systems xmj

10:37:35 xmj: cheers fluffypony

10:37:41 xmj: mircea_popescu: yes, all of them.

10:37:55 HeySteve: http://www.isteve.com/IQ_Table.htm <- worth a look when trying to guess the future of nations

10:38:00 assbot: IQandtheWealthofNations--LynnandVanhanen--datatableofnationalmeanIQstudiessummarizedbySteveSailer

10:38:21 mircea_popescu: no. in all of them, will and poverty are related. this is why determined but unintelligent mobsters do well everywhere all the time,

10:38:31 mircea_popescu: whereas pencilneck kids only do well in certain places.

10:38:31 xmj: HeySteve: tldr asia will domnate once they get their shit together.

10:38:54 HeySteve: dumb mobsters may do well for themselves, but they'll drive a nation down if they're too dominant

10:39:08 chetty: <mircea_popescu> take the us as a fine example. the black ~~~minority~~~ there STILL thinks it's your fault.// holder recently talked about how horrid it was when he got stopped and searched, the fail is that whites get stopped to but thats 'normal', blacks are only stopped because they are black ...

10:39:55 mircea_popescu: HeySteve that's a complicated argument. the scant examples for your azn theory, for instance, all come from mobsters.

10:40:10 mircea_popescu: the azn tigers are simply the net effect of a mob getting in power and pushing the gas to the floor.

10:41:15 HeySteve: well I'd say we have a kleptocracy here, and the results have been poor

10:41:25 mircea_popescu: where is here ?

10:41:35 HeySteve: south africa

10:41:42 mircea_popescu: o you live there too ?

10:41:47 HeySteve: yep!

10:41:58 HeySteve: not at the coast like fluffypony

10:42:08 xmj: HeySteve: kleptocracy is yet another name for democracy

10:42:14 mircea_popescu: i have nfi, i mean from where i'm sitting it looks pretty bad and with a worse outlook, then fluffy is all like happy go lucky everything will be fine.

10:42:18 mircea_popescu: it totally throws me.

10:42:32 mircea_popescu: but yes, xmj is on point. kleptocracy != a mob.

10:42:36 HeySteve: xmj yeah I intended it to say we have mobsters in charge here

10:42:44 mircea_popescu: but do you ?

10:42:58 HeySteve: prez up on fraud and rape charges, diverted millions to build a palace, etc.

10:43:17 mircea_popescu: nero isn't the fucking mob. nero is just nero.

10:44:31 xmj: mircea_popescu: democracy is the mob in charge

10:44:51 mircea_popescu: xmj i was talking the mob as in cosa nostra, not the mob as in mobile vulgus.

10:45:17 Vexual: not on charges

10:45:54 mircea_popescu: Vexual one day in charge, next day on charges, eh vex ?

10:46:17 HeySteve: SA is pretty unstable. very high unemployment and widespread poverty, a vocal revolutaionry marxist leader gaining support...

10:46:26 HeySteve: I can't say I'm optimistic

10:46:51 mircea_popescu: so why are you staying ?

10:47:38 HeySteve: looking for the right place to move to

10:48:02 mircea_popescu: argentina, forgetaboutit.

10:48:23 HeySteve: why did you choose argentina?

10:49:02 mircea_popescu: cause it rocks.

10:49:17 chetty: dollar blue 13.7

10:49:32 HeySteve: friends with a family from there, heard a lot of good things

10:49:40 mircea_popescu: chetty by now whenever i change it jumps, for crying out loud.

10:50:02 chetty: you move the market

10:50:23 Vexual: every time he paso dobles

10:50:40 mircea_popescu: if that's the case i should be moving it the other way lol

10:50:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5000 @ 0.00122538 = 6.1269 BTC [-] {18}

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10:51:54 punkman: mircea_popescu: are the convenience stores selling bitcoin already?

10:52:16 mircea_popescu: nah.

10:53:41 HeySteve: hmm will a small amount of bitcoin let me afford to live like a king in argentina yet?

10:53:54 punkman: no

10:54:31 mircea_popescu: no, but you can probably find work, seeing how 60%ish of the population works in the gray and black market.

10:55:03 Vexual: 256 ghanan kids in '65 scored 79iq drawing a man: 128 drew them with 3 legs

10:55:26 HeySteve: yeah I'd say it's between South America and Australia / New Zealand

10:55:49 HeySteve: mircea_popescu is English fairly widely spoken there?

10:55:54 mircea_popescu: nope.

10:56:17 HeySteve: ah that'd be the biggest challenge then, OZ / NZ is more about the money

10:56:36 mircea_popescu: A weary old lecher named Blott took a luscious young blond to his yacht.

10:56:36 mircea_popescu: Too lazy to rape her he made darts out of paper, which he leisurely tossed at her twat.

10:56:44 mircea_popescu: HeySteve learn a language, it won't kill ye.

10:56:50 Vexual: guatamala ie

10:57:12 fluffypony: HeySteve: Zuma is no worse than Obama signing off on what the NSA does - at least what Zuma does is blatant and obvious, and not sinister and hidden

10:58:12 fluffypony: besides - he's uneducated, he has a Grade 6 education

10:58:16 mircea_popescu: that's an unexpected defense.

10:58:19 mircea_popescu: that too.

10:58:37 fluffypony: I'll take mildly incompetent and a little greedy from having grown up poor and uneducated

10:58:40 mircea_popescu: does this reduce to a no malice for reason of plain stupidity plea ?

10:58:50 fluffypony: over sinister and devious in the name of "protection"

10:59:04 fluffypony: know thine enemy

10:59:10 HeySteve: fluffypony, it limits what he can get away with in secret, sure...

10:59:23 HeySteve: but it also limits my expectation of sensible forward planning

11:00:01 fluffypony: yeah but which country has leadership with sensible forward planning? Norway?

11:00:27 fluffypony: a country led by a visionary will be let down by the incompetence of those executing that vision

11:00:50 fluffypony: a country led by somone incompetent at least has a chance to be propped up by the few competent ones in the middle tiers of governance

11:00:54 HeySteve: there's a few I'd trust to ensure basic infrastructure is maintained and expanded as necessary

11:00:56 ThickAsThieves: i was waiting at the auto repair shop a few mos ago and an old man was writing and reading limericks to me

11:00:59 fluffypony: but every human system of leadership is flawed

11:01:14 ThickAsThieves: stuff about the dealership

11:01:19 ThickAsThieves: corny but fun

11:01:41 Vexual: im stealing that one

11:02:12 mircea_popescu: fluffypony personally, i'm looking for visionaries i personally know.

11:02:17 mircea_popescu: it's a system that always worked well for me.

11:03:13 fluffypony: meh - I've just written human leadership off as flawed and unworkable

11:03:40 fluffypony: so I'll comply with whatever I am obligated to comply with by virtue of my chosen country of residence

11:03:44 fluffypony: but beyond that I ignore them

11:03:52 mircea_popescu: heh. you need better friends. human leadership rox.

11:04:55 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: I'm already a benevolent dictator in my own little fish-pond, so it's not like I need to concern myself with those governmental humans that consider themselves my leaders :-P

11:05:17 mircea_popescu: hehe i guess that works.

11:05:53 Vexual: perhaps you're a communist

11:06:17 fluffypony: Vexual: well I did marry a German...

11:07:42 fluffypony: and she's from East Germany

11:07:47 mircea_popescu: An amazon giantess named Dunne let a midget screw her for fun.

11:07:47 mircea_popescu: But the poor little runt was engulfed in her cunt and re-born as the twin of his son.

11:08:02 fluffypony: hah hah

11:08:03 fluffypony: <3

11:08:32 fluffypony: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=748767.0

11:08:32 assbot: Some Altcoin poetry

11:08:36 fluffypony: I wrote a couple there

11:09:01 mircea_popescu: An architect fellow named Yoric could, when feeling euphoric, display for selection three kinds of erection- Corinthian, Ionic, and Doric.

11:10:35 mircea_popescu: fluffypony why do they hate on you so ?

11:10:48 mircea_popescu: fucking idiots those people, you can show them a finger, they can say what's wrong with it.

11:11:16 fluffypony: I guess he didn't like being corrected :-P

11:11:25 Vexual: thrice

11:11:58 mircea_popescu: fluffypony has it ever occured to you that perhaps you're picking up habits and forming expectations of the world here that'll make it difficult to fit in the rest of the internets ?

11:12:59 fluffypony: heh

11:13:20 fluffypony: I once had a girlfriend break up with me because I kept correcting her 11 year old sister's grammar (kid's gotta learn before it becomes too ingrained, yo)

11:13:34 fluffypony: so I guess I've always been an opinionated prick :-P

11:13:46 mircea_popescu: uh

11:14:00 mircea_popescu: how the fuck does that work, shouldn't sisters enjoy their sibling;s torment ?

11:14:26 fluffypony: she was from the Overprotective R Us school of thought

11:14:44 chetty: nah, not sisters with some age spread, mothering instincts kick in

11:15:08 mircea_popescu: chetty ah good point'

11:15:14 mircea_popescu: fluffypony was she over 18 ?

11:15:17 fluffypony: yes

11:15:25 mircea_popescu: so you see what you did wrong there.

11:15:30 mircea_popescu: were she 15 you'd have been fine.

11:15:56 fluffypony: well I was 20 or 21 at the time

11:16:06 fluffypony: I was trying out someone my age

11:17:05 mircea_popescu: speaking of which, "An old electronic designer had designs on a minor named Dinah. He couldn't carry them out for his prick was too stout, and too small was the minor's vagina."

11:17:15 mircea_popescu: check out what FILTH!!1 gets distributed with linux

11:17:25 mircea_popescu: into the unsuspecting homes of erryday goodfolk.

11:17:40 fluffypony: lol

11:17:42 fluffypony: arrest them!

11:18:21 mircea_popescu: off with their heads.

11:19:08 mircea_popescu: An old man at the Folies Bergere had a jock, a most wondrous affair: It snipped off a twat-curl from each new chorus girl, and he had a wig made of the hair.

11:19:26 Textual: http://online.wsj.com/articles/ebola-virus-firsts-suspected-case-in-ireland-1408703882

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13:06:03 ThickAsThieves: http://iruntheinternet.com/lulzdump/images/gifs/seal-steals-fish-fisherman-boat-1382810646V.gif

13:06:22 ThickAsThieves: the bird was too slow

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14:51:28 chetty: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28913165

14:51:28 assbot: BBC News - Iceland issues Bardarbunga volcano red alert

15:07:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 527 @ 0.00107634 = 0.5672 BTC [-] {4}

15:35:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 535 @ 0.00105005 = 0.5618 BTC [+] {3}

15:52:56 asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu pity handle turns the entire thing into such a sad pro-govt piece << no surprises here.

15:52:56 gribble: The operation succeeded.

15:57:39 asciilifeform: 'international directorate of date rape'

15:57:45 *: asciilifeform chokes

15:59:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 6.26743460 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 545 satoshi per share

16:03:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.58080095 BTC to 14`991 shares, 10545 satoshi per share

16:04:21 *: kakobrekla performs heimlich maneuver on asciilifeform

16:04:58 *: asciilifeform spits out more lulz

16:05:29 kakobrekla: hehe

16:05:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8350 @ 0.00063836 = 5.3303 BTC [+]

16:38:53 TomServo: !up SuchWow

16:41:18 kakobrekla: lol not this again

16:43:37 TomServo: sorry, I couldn't resist

17:13:52 asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu maryland excepted. i have nfi idea what it's even for << it's where they keep ft. meade. (largest employer, largest consumer of mains current, per public stats.)

17:13:52 gribble: The operation succeeded.

17:15:37 asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu they also have many other similar шарашкаs here; in most cases, readily spotted with the naked eye on account of the highly-ritualized architectural style.

17:15:37 gribble: The operation succeeded.

17:21:36 asciilifeform: (what style? gigantic plate-glass window walls that never let through office light - they're painted black on the inside; the seemingly-mandatory wrought-iron fence, with steel cable trusses - nominally against terrorist trucks (TM); archaically-massive satellite antennae; a few other features broadly known to anyone who looks with any regularity.)

17:23:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.00063841 = 5.235 BTC [+] {2}

17:24:54 asciilifeform: any folks here living in u.s. colonies (read: nato) are welcome to comment re: whether such brutalist monstrosities blot your landscape as well.

18:00:56 chetty: asciilifeform, got any opinion on that lovely little volcano?

18:02:32 asciilifeform: chetty: looks like a potential rehash of '10.

18:09:10 chetty: If this one actually blows its likely to be bigger, I think

18:44:25 danielpbarron: !up BlueMeanie4

18:44:38 BlueMeanie4: heya Daniel

18:44:49 danielpbarron: hello :D

18:44:58 BlueMeanie4: so how do buy options/futures?

18:45:50 danielpbarron: ;;rate BlueMeanie4 1 https://twitter.com/BlueMeanie4

18:45:51 assbot: Blue Meanie (BlueMeanie4) auf Twitter

18:45:51 gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.

18:46:21 BlueMeanie4: is there some kind of docs for this?

18:46:38 BlueMeanie4: my works on altchain describe how to do options/futures/bonds using a block chain

18:46:39 danielpbarron: BlueMeanie4, http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/wot_and_reputation

18:46:39 assbot: wot_and_reputation [bitcoin assets wiki]

18:46:49 BlueMeanie4: ah ok

18:47:16 BlueMeanie4: danke

18:47:39 danielpbarron: you're welcome

18:48:23 BlueMeanie4: has anyone tried to build a more usable interface to this?

18:49:25 danielpbarron: I think it's come up, but I don't think it gets more usable than this.

18:50:14 danielpbarron: irc is a great catalyst for WoT related activities

18:51:00 BlueMeanie4: well you could expand the markets for these instruments

18:51:12 BlueMeanie4: maybe usable for you- a techie :) :) :)

18:52:23 danielpbarron: it is a useful barrier to entry

18:52:47 danielpbarron: keeps out the undesirables

18:52:57 BlueMeanie4: lol ok

18:54:08 BlueMeanie4: ok so read that WOT page- doesnt describe the instruments

18:56:51 danielpbarron: do you have a PGP key?

18:56:59 BlueMeanie4: sure

18:57:40 danielpbarron: ;;echo BlueMeanie4, [eregister]

18:57:40 gribble: BlueMeanie4, (eregister <nick> <keyid>) -- Register your GPG identity, associating GPG key <keyid> with <nick>. <keyid> is a 16 digit key id, with or without the '0x' prefix. We look on servers listed in 'plugins.GPG.keyservers' config. You will be given a link to a page which contains a one time password encrypted with your key. Decrypt, and use the 'everify' command with it. Your (1 more message)

18:58:01 danielpbarron: more

18:58:04 danielpbarron: ;;more

18:58:04 gribble: passphrase will expire in 10 minutes.

18:59:10 danielpbarron: https://twitter.com/BlueMeanie4/status/500347361726857216

18:59:11 assbot: /hashtag/BTER?src=hash got hacked, hacker stole 5% of all /hashtag/NXT?src=hash. hacker sending ransom demands to BTER team using the NXT /hashtag/blockchain?src=hash: https://t.co/7mdXkp2lL4

18:59:16 BlueMeanie4: ok dont have time to do this right now

18:59:34 danielpbarron: it can also be done with a Bitcoin address

18:59:40 BlueMeanie4: Dbarron- you like that tweet? :)

18:59:48 danielpbarron: ;;echo BlueMeanie4, [bcregister]

18:59:48 gribble: BlueMeanie4, (bcregister <nick> <bitcoinaddress>) -- Register your identity, associating bitcoin address key <bitcoinaddress> with <nick>. <bitcoinaddress> should be a standard-type bitcoin address, starting with 1. You will be given a random passphrase to sign with your address key, and submit to the bot with the 'bcverify' command. Your passphrase will expire in 10 minutes.

18:59:53 danielpbarron: BlueMeanie4, ya

19:00:05 BlueMeanie4: haha were you around when all that crap happened?

19:00:21 BlueMeanie4: im far too honest for the crypto world

19:01:05 BlueMeanie4: NXT isnt secure- theyre addressing some important ideas that have been floating around for a while- but not doing it securely or faithfully

19:01:05 danielpbarron: then you will get along well here

19:01:30 BlueMeanie4: great, I've been reading Mircea Popescu lately- enjoy his writings

19:01:41 BlueMeanie4: cant say how accurate they are though

19:02:51 BlueMeanie4: this is interesting : http://fraudsters.com/2012/how-does-one-list-on-mpex/

19:02:52 assbot: How does one list on MPEx ? pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

19:03:13 BlueMeanie4: this is precisely the issue they were having at NXT. People issuing ponzi assets, in particular jl777

19:03:25 BlueMeanie4: no reporting or filing standards at all.

19:03:52 BlueMeanie4: so I wanted to introduce them in a package called 'Virtual Corporations' which were a crypto way of having trustees over accounts and few other features

19:04:31 BlueMeanie4: so it looks like Mircea has the vision, just doesnt have the technology developed

19:04:39 danielpbarron: what are you talking about?

19:05:45 BlueMeanie4: not sure if these things are particularly associated with this channel...

19:05:49 BlueMeanie4: could be off topic

19:07:07 danielpbarron: nothing is off-topic as long as it's well said

19:07:37 BlueMeanie4: ok so what are you not following?

19:07:50 danielpbarron: what technology isn't developed?

19:08:44 BlueMeanie4: ill take a closer look at it

19:09:46 BlueMeanie4: we were looking at way to automate rating and a format to index securities and such

19:10:39 BlueMeanie4: in particular i find crypto-bond markets interesting

19:11:43 danielpbarron: what do you think of counterparty? (XCP)

19:13:12 BlueMeanie4: generally warm to it, but i think piggybacking the block chain is ultimately doomed

19:13:34 BlueMeanie4: also some of their metaphors for finance are irregular, weird, and possibly broken

19:13:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9912 @ 0.00063842 = 6.328 BTC [+]

19:14:33 danielpbarron: why do you think piggybacking the blockchain is doomed? do you mean the devs will nix it?

19:14:52 BlueMeanie4: its a complex subject, we explored all this stuff during the color coins discussions

19:20:00 Apocalyptic: <BlueMeanie4> NXT isnt secure // is NXT the PoS thing ?

19:21:33 Apocalyptic: if so it's inherently insecure yeah, mainly because you can "mine" at any point in the chain,without committing ressources

19:22:42 Apocalyptic: !up BlueMeanie4

19:23:32 BlueMeanie4: obviously this isnt the place for a friendly chat- you can PM me if you want

19:24:38 asciilifeform: punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BvqYNQ5IcAAAvB7.jpg:large << far better, https://www.flickr.com/photos/bradkelly/5998485106

19:24:39 assbot: Is your washroom breeding Bolsheviks? #papertowels #advertising | Flickr - Photo Sharing!

19:25:00 Apocalyptic: I'm amazed at the trust people put into PoS, but then again after seeing the investment section of bitcointalk it isn't that surprising

19:25:28 asciilifeform: ^ first saw that one on a wall in school! (u.s. school; history class)

19:25:42 Apocalyptic: BlueMeanie4, why do you say that ? it is, as long as you have something interesting to say people will !up you

19:26:23 BlueMeanie4: hey if the mod is going to silence me for no voiced reason mid conversation- why bother?

19:26:44 asciilifeform: re: nail polish poison detector << how many cases of dysentery from the finger dips.

19:26:57 Apocalyptic: BlueMeanie4, it's a bot

19:27:02 BlueMeanie4: oh is it?

19:27:14 BlueMeanie4: i feel better now :) lol

19:27:28 danielpbarron: you get 30 minutes of voice per !up

19:27:46 BlueMeanie4: i guess ill try to be more concise. Mirceau's blog makes me want to learn Romanian.

19:30:28 BlueMeanie4: the writing is spectacular :)

19:30:59 Apocalyptic: yeah Mircea knows how to write indeed

19:31:09 Apocalyptic: though truffles would argue

19:32:12 BlueMeanie4: ha it reminds me of yiddush literature very similar

19:32:43 BingoBoingo: ;;seen truffles

19:32:55 BingoBoingo: !up usagi

19:33:01 chetty: good news is he doesn't write in Romanian anymore, all English these days

19:33:27 BlueMeanie4: ya the way he uses english is just brilliant

19:33:33 asciilifeform: the other good news is that it is possible to learn languages.

19:33:46 asciilifeform: some folks will warn you that this requires lost ancient technology - don't believe.

19:33:48 BlueMeanie4: romanian is a odd one

19:33:59 BlueMeanie4: acsii lol

19:34:03 chetty: odd and hard

19:34:06 Apocalyptic: ascii, it is, but from a certain age it becomes exponentially difficult to master ir

19:34:08 Apocalyptic: *it

19:34:56 asciilifeform: exponentially difficult << 'learn' for translating a diplomat - perhaps hard; reading articles in your armchair slowly - not so hard

19:35:02 BingoBoingo: Apocalyptic: This is why I use booze to keep my brain supple

19:35:36 Apocalyptic: asciilifeform, you got a point

19:36:34 asciilifeform: just be sure never to confess to knowing a language - or people might speak it to you, and that'll be a little like work.

19:36:44 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> any folks here living in u.s. colonies (read: nato) are welcome to comment re: whether such brutalist monstrosities blot your landscape as well. << Scattered throughout the towns on the West side of Scott Airforce base in the Metro east are low rise versions of this

19:36:54 BlueMeanie4: plus you can pretend you dont understand their insults

19:37:14 Apocalyptic: <BingoBoingo> Apocalyptic: This is why I use booze to keep my brain supple // how well does that work ?

19:37:21 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: they're traditionally 1-3 floors. make life a little harder for kgb binoculars, or whatnot.

19:37:36 BlueMeanie4: 1-3 floors so they dont have to have an elevator

19:37:41 BingoBoingo: <BlueMeanie4> plus you can pretend you dont understand their insults << This is the benefit of having at least vulgar familiarity in a 3rd language

19:37:58 asciilifeform: BlueMeanie4: 100% have elevators. 'disability act' compliance.

19:39:06 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The dominant form here are vaguely labeled or unlabeled office parks for businesses whose customers rarely visit

19:40:23 BlueMeanie4: BB: where is here?

19:40:52 BingoBoingo: BlueMeanie4: The portion of Illinois well spaced away from Chiraq

19:41:13 *: asciilifeform once had the good fortune to visit just such a 'park.' inside: mildly refinished warehouse, with plentiful cubicles and many hanging models of satellites; on the walls, hanging mementos of the 'glorious reagan years' - 'this floppy contains our first flown firmware!' and more in that spirit.

19:41:50 BlueMeanie4: think: beige

19:42:22 asciilifeform: they even sent a stereotypical woman to prepare stereotypical coffee, and served it on a bar, lifted straight from a 1950s american tv scene.

19:43:11 chetty: I once worked in an office where one of the guys painted windows on the walls ...

19:43:14 BlueMeanie4: would you rather have one of those ultra-modern offices complete with ping pong table and espresso machine to ensure you spend every waking hour there?

19:43:34 *: asciilifeform also saw that kind.

19:43:49 BingoBoingo: It's just odd driving through a suburban residential neighborhood and passing the squat dentist looking office park and seeing a Northrop Grumman sign

19:44:18 BlueMeanie4: yes clearly these old modes of civilization in the us are decomposing fast

19:44:33 asciilifeform: grumman dentist needs office too. lined with cork, for the screams of the 'patients.'

19:44:45 assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/14BQA16.txt )

19:44:45 BingoBoingo: !b 3

19:45:08 asciilifeform: (as pictured in film 'brazil')

19:46:19 BlueMeanie4: spent a week wandering the polish countryside, interesting experience

19:46:55 asciilifeform: arbeit macht frei.

19:47:47 BlueMeanie4: more appropriate: "vodka macht frei"

19:48:06 chetty: <BlueMeanie4> more appropriate: "vodka macht frei"//+++

19:53:54 chetty: !up BlueMeanie4

20:11:27 BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/lisawomersley/status/499771410751815682

20:11:28 assbot: This is what happens when non-tech people discover web developer tools http://t.co/LGlzHGxWvh

20:12:47 BlueMeanie4: click the blue E

20:14:09 chetty: BingoBoingo, omg that gives me flashbacks when everywhere you looked was frontpage generated stuffs ....:(

20:15:24 BingoBoingo: Frontpage was so bad

20:16:38 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no surprises here. << not sure what his story is.

20:21:58 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform architectural style. << this is such a lol, because yes they do it, it's almost as if trying to copy own glory moments resulting in cheap tourist shop replicas. just... why!

20:22:14 mircea_popescu: whole place looks like latter day rome on this account. forum this, baths that, bla bla bla.

20:23:39 mircea_popescu: http://peaceandmarkets.com/2014/08/24/cheat-on-bitcoin-with-hyper-itll-be-your-loss/

20:23:41 assbot: Cheat on Bitcoin with HYPER? It’ll be Your Loss | Peace and Markets

20:25:04 BingoBoingo: %p

20:25:07 atcbot: No data returned from CoinMiner.net

20:25:07 atcbot: [PityThePool Hashrate]: 700.94 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.28 TH/s

20:26:20 BingoBoingo: %d

20:26:21 atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 233849.46 in 1781 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -87.55

20:27:39 BingoBoingo: http://blog.sfgate.com/sfmoms/2014/08/21/high-school-student-arrested-for-writing-story-about-shooting-dinosaur/

20:34:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13994 @ 0.0006377 = 8.924 BTC [-]

20:47:00 BingoBoingo: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=749980.0

20:47:00 assbot: Proof of dishonesty and lies from Gawminers.com Hashlet Ponzi Scheme Scam

20:51:01 BingoBoingo: https://flexhash.com/

20:51:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 80 @ 0.01029999 = 0.824 BTC [-]

21:04:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28600 @ 0.00063678 = 18.2119 BTC [-] {4}

21:15:10 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not sure what his story is << herr handle is a u.s. army officer, now working at a not-too-hard-to-guess-which world-famous bureaucracy.

21:16:25 asciilifeform: (http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1323&cpage=1#comment-7376 << that bureau.)

21:16:34 mircea_popescu: bonano crime fambly ?

21:17:25 asciilifeform: nsano crime family

21:18:00 mircea_popescu: lol. in every remaining competent bureaucrat there's an intelligent person captive, struggling to get free.

21:18:06 mircea_popescu: at least, that's what his piece brings to mind.

21:18:17 mircea_popescu: an' with that, i'll be off to meet people and things. later dear chan!

21:18:43 *: asciilifeform off to cook severe coffee, for conversion into mathematics

21:33:39 assbot: Guevara246 +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0

21:37:23 TomServo: !up guevara246

21:40:36 guevara246: Hey, I have a question regarding P2SH and timelocked transactions: in a use case where a client is purchasing a good or service using a 2 of 3 multisig scheme, can a timelocked transaction be broadcast to the network and invalidated by a second transaction, signed by the same agents, sending outputs to a different address?

21:41:28 guevara246: the rationale being applied to chargeback and fraud

22:22:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10950 @ 0.00063859 = 6.9926 BTC [+] {2}

22:24:14 asciilifeform: http://imgur.com/ck9mDub

22:24:15 assbot: The Return of Windowcat - Imgur

22:27:30 fluffypony: YAY!

22:27:34 fluffypony: Satoshi's buddy

22:27:36 fluffypony: I mean

22:27:39 fluffypony: usagi's buddy

22:27:42 fluffypony: SuchWow

22:27:45 fluffypony: I mean such typo

22:27:49 fluffypony: complete typo, sorry SuchWow

22:28:25 TomServo: Now you had better !up him, in case he should care to comment.

22:29:05 asciilifeform: untameable but highly useful animal.

22:30:06 TomServo: asciilifeform: Is that the cat that killed the defective bird?

22:30:14 asciilifeform: TomServo: the very same.

22:30:31 TomServo: Useful indeed.

22:32:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9421 @ 0.00063578 = 5.9897 BTC [-]

22:48:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6900 @ 0.0006346 = 4.3787 BTC [-]

22:57:01 thestringpuller: ;;later tell guevara246 this is a problem I was working on. even with a single sig a timelocked transaction can be double spent if it another valid transaction is broadcasted and accepted before the timelock expires the original transaction becomes expired

22:57:01 gribble: The operation succeeded.

22:57:20 thestringpuller: becomes invalidated*

22:57:59 thestringpuller: it's weird how this issue hasn't been addressed more in use cases since there is no way to really set up a trust fund of sorts with time-delayed transactions without the risk of the beneficiary double spending

23:14:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6150 @ 0.0006354 = 3.9077 BTC [+]

23:16:15 TomServo: $depth mpoe

23:16:16 empyex: TomServo: Want a bash? http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=6 Or use a valid MPSIC!

23:45:46 kakobrekla: >Providing you with financials only provides grist for your complaint mill, and gives you more to moan about. So that's not a priority.

23:47:35 hanbot: ;;later tell BingoBoingo Is it just me or does hanbot blog with an unstated anger and foreboding that seldom comes through in mircea_popescu posts because mircea_popescu need not give a fuck << you sayin' i give too many fucks? is that what you're sayin'? like what, like i'm an angry foreboder, here to amuse you?!

23:47:35 gribble: The operation succeeded.

23:51:50 hanbot: asciilifeform is windowcat watching you tinkerbate?