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00:00:02 mircea_popescu: so ? still automatic citizenship!11

00:00:36 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: naive idea. they unplugged this, to avoid ru proper being swamped with the entire contents of kazahstan, ua, baltics, all the provinces

00:00:49 mircea_popescu: mod6: me too, that threw me off. but maybe i did something silly with the install by creating a root account? i'm not super clued on deb... but it asked me to make a root account first, then a user account. so that was kinda bizzare to me. << no that's how debian did it for what, 10, 15 years ?

00:01:07 asciilifeform: it was still swamped, against rules, and the people who did the swamping accounted for a large fraction of the bums which appeared during collapse

00:02:08 asciilifeform: at any rate, even if herr putin mailed me a ru passport as perverse birthday present, fat lot of good that would do. need a lot more than a passport to leave the 'big zone.'

00:02:48 jurov: only hungary does not need to fear such swamping can do "if you had ancestors in Big Hungary 100yr ago, here's your passport"

00:02:56 asciilifeform: ireland, i think, too

00:03:28 jurov: *Great Hungary to label the delusion properly

00:03:29 mircea_popescu: finally done with logs o.O

00:03:41 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: congrats

00:03:47 mircea_popescu: jurov jews are similar. romania too.

00:03:59 mircea_popescu: pretty much everyone, really. germany definitely, if you were born there.

00:04:20 mircea_popescu: us citizens on army bases routinely get dual citizenship kids if they become pregnant and deliver

00:04:50 asciilifeform: i've been informed that the usual excursions where people take pregnant women to usa, have reversed.

00:05:02 asciilifeform: or maybe it was just orlov.

00:05:26 undata: canada will readmit children of a canadian citizen

00:05:30 undata: sadly I'm two steps removed

00:05:59 mircea_popescu: i think the bar for thai citizenship is having sex with a trannie

00:06:00 asciilifeform: at any rate, no one is stranded in usa solely because of passports.

00:06:04 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> mod6: me too, that threw me off. but maybe i did something silly with the install by creating a root account? i'm not super clued on deb... but it asked me to make a root account first, then a user account. so that was kinda bizzare to me. << no that's how debian did it for what, 10, 15 years ? << I thought it was just Ubuntu that only made a user account they'd turn into a super sudoer

00:06:05 asciilifeform: one can buy passport

00:06:09 asciilifeform: just like one can buy freedom

00:06:18 undata: mircea_popescu: haaaa

00:08:45 jurov: there must be some statistic how price of uprooting increases with age

00:09:03 jurov: hope bitcoin will grow faster

00:09:42 asciilifeform: how does it increase with age?

00:10:43 undata: don't buy a bunch of garbage if you're headed out.

00:10:44 *: asciilifeform must have missed something

00:11:09 jurov: at 20 it's pretty much 0

00:11:12 asciilifeform: undata: garbage can be packed into crates and shipped

00:11:14 jurov: then it goes up

00:11:22 asciilifeform: undata: if one must have it

00:11:23 undata: asciilifeform: yep, or that.

00:12:07 undata: jurov: I would say maybe leaving behind business contacts has a cost, but the internet solves that.

00:12:17 undata: and bitcoin solves getting paid by them

00:12:25 BingoBoingo: Buy truck, drive to panama, 4 digit number to move truck around the Darien last time I priced it.

00:12:27 asciilifeform: i guess there's the elementary fact that a 70 y.o. head of a firm cannot turn into a 20. y.o. apprentice again

00:12:28 TheNewDeal: rapeghost =?= rg

00:12:37 BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: Yes

00:12:39 jurov: TheNewDeal yes ====

00:12:49 asciilifeform: undata: the internet solves that << if only.

00:13:05 undata: depends on what kind of business then

00:13:07 TheNewDeal: finally serving my sentence

00:13:18 BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: Mine any news yet?

00:13:51 TheNewDeal: let me run one by you

00:17:29 BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: Go

00:18:19 TheNewDeal: gotta keep it suuuper seektret

00:18:43 BingoBoingo: lol

00:21:29 asciilifeform: git clone http://therealbitcoin.org/test/bitcoin.git <<<< wtf nonsense is this, that's 2014 bitcoind in there.

00:21:50 thestringpuller: asciilifeform: do you know who maintains that site?

00:21:58 asciilifeform: jurov?

00:24:14 asciilifeform: at any rate, imho git is entirely the wrong pill here.

00:24:15 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-10-2014#888734

00:24:15 assbot: Logged on 22-10-2014 20:33:59; asciilifeform: i suggest going with whoever had the mailing list idea. emphasize the 'we sign things and so mechanism doesn't matter' aspect.

00:24:49 asciilifeform: static www hosting latest stable result of composition of gpg-signed patches from mailing list - yes, more yoga, but ultimately the Right Thing.

00:25:19 jurov: yes, i just wanted to test, as it says

00:25:30 asciilifeform: git etc. is very tempting, sweet, yes

00:25:40 asciilifeform: but wrong for this occasion.

00:26:18 BingoBoingo: CVS ???

00:26:21 asciilifeform: forsaking version control systems entirely!

00:26:30 asciilifeform: the only way to emphasize the gravity of submitting a change to bitcoind.

00:27:18 jurov: um

00:27:37 jurov: that could apply once we're close to the ideal

00:27:41 nubbins`: ^

00:27:44 asciilifeform: nope.

00:27:46 jurov: or are we already?

00:27:58 asciilifeform: it's the only way to actually get somewhere with the old tub we have.

00:28:58 jurov: so you say what will be hosted - only list of patches and a script

00:29:05 asciilifeform: the somewhere, incidentally, is a stable satoshi-based gizmo worth using as a base for rewrite (idk about other folks, i shall rewrite for my own pleasure if no one wants, once finished with current affairs) - and perhaps worth printing!

00:29:08 jurov: that will verify and apply them?

00:29:22 asciilifeform: suggested script.

00:29:27 asciilifeform: only really need stock gpg to verify.

00:29:33 asciilifeform: and pubkeys naturally

00:30:29 asciilifeform: jurov: also host a copy of the present state of the mailing list, perhaps

00:30:39 asciilifeform: static html.

00:31:07 jurov: yes

00:31:10 asciilifeform: since, at least in the mechanism i suggested, no message shall be ever published that is not signed, any reader can verify that the mailing list is authentic.

00:32:45 BingoBoingo: <jurov> so you say what will be hosted - only list of patches and a script << I actually imagined set of books for the core an annumal supplement book of refinemnts

00:32:46 jurov: with a patch to mailman?

00:33:01 asciilifeform: patch to mailman << why ?

00:33:14 jurov: to reject unsigned msgs

00:33:17 asciilifeform: aha

00:33:29 asciilifeform: yes, that's the only work-like part of this proposal, yes

00:34:27 asciilifeform: incidentally, anyone who wants to mirror the proposed mailing list, will be able to do so at his pleasure.

00:34:30 asciilifeform: instant anti-ddos pill

00:34:49 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: DO you want me to rip my openbsd cd's and upload them somewhere?

00:34:56 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: what vintage?

00:34:57 thestringpuller: asciilifeform: I may be able to fulfill your order with nubbins` help

00:35:14 thestringpuller: It would be leatherbound and you can also engrave

00:35:35 asciilifeform: thestringpuller: afaik it has not yet been decided what ought to be between the pages...

00:35:47 thestringpuller: a writer buddy of mine does bookbinding of journals as one of his fanatical things

00:35:59 asciilifeform: i've bound an odd book here & there.

00:35:59 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: 5.5

00:36:04 thestringpuller: so once you figure that out, nubbins can do a good printing job

00:36:08 nubbins`: it's good exercise for the fingers

00:36:14 thestringpuller: and then you can send it here to have it bound

00:36:15 nubbins`: and an excuse to own a small hammer

00:36:16 asciilifeform: 5.5 is almost new

00:36:36 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: 5.5 is the first version after I cared to get the physical CD's

00:36:50 BingoBoingo: 5.6 comes out next month

00:36:59 *: danielpbarron got 2 copies of 5.5 from 2 different sources

00:37:05 *: asciilifeform is presently engaged in trying to collect the smallest (bitwise) possible bsd+gcc+etc combo that will build bitcoind 0.5-0.6

00:37:40 asciilifeform: cross-compilation for linux/x86

00:37:41 danielpbarron: and by copies i mean cd sets

00:38:27 jurov: i'll look into the mailman

00:38:39 asciilifeform: my present emulation, incidentally, is not to have network access

00:38:44 asciilifeform: controlled through (emulated) serial tty.

00:38:53 asciilifeform: and this, imho, is proper.

00:40:43 nubbins`: nice

00:42:03 *: BingoBoingo doesn't know if OpenBSD plus userland can be stripped to 1 FDD...

00:42:22 decimation: asciilifeform: bitcoind begs to be split into at least 3 programs

00:42:25 bounce: don't think so.

00:42:36 bounce: there's picobsd or nanobsd or whatwasit

00:43:18 bounce: for the one floppy trick you'd probably need qnx or so, but not sure if bitcoind would fit with that, even after you kicked out photon and the browser

00:43:51 BingoBoingo: bounce: Many of those abandoned, poor rng and gcc as FreeBSD derivatives

00:43:54 bounce: decimation: which three are you proposing?

00:44:12 BingoBoingo: <bounce> for the one floppy trick you'd probably need qnx or so, but not sure if bitcoind would fit with that, even after you kicked out photon and the browser << QNX that Blackberry thing?

00:44:37 bounce: qnx was a thing way before blackberry existed

00:44:57 BingoBoingo: bounce: I imagine BitcoinNetwork, BitcoinBlockhandler, BitcoinWallet

00:45:01 bounce: they did a one floppy demo once (twice, there's the xmas edition) that let you boot a full graphical desktop plus browser

00:45:26 BingoBoingo: <bounce> qnx was a thing way before blackberry existed << Indeed, but way for a decent RTOS to ruin the last Mobile OS

00:45:34 bounce: oh c'mon with the quoting

00:47:02 BingoBoingo: What there's a temporary Vag shortage so queefing is out of the question

00:47:45 bounce: well yeah I'm not too happy bb bought it up, no matter how good it'd be for them. qnx was a bit floundering though, that with everyone running off to leen0x and no real hardware incentive for what makes qnx special. just throw more hardware at the problem and it's sorted. (the beancounters think)

00:48:29 decimation: 1.) blockchain gather/relay 2.) transaction accumulate/relay 3.) blockchain database 4.) own transaction receive/generate 5.) wallet crypto

00:48:51 bounce: then again, bb is floundering too. won't be the first time some company buys up something good for a bout of fleeing forward, goes down anyway and takes the good with it

00:49:48 BingoBoingo: bounce: Well worse is when the company buys a floundering product and hides it to success like Intel did with DEC ALpha

00:50:01 asciilifeform: decimation: bitcoind begs to be split into at least 3 programs << of which only 1 is necessary !

00:50:37 asciilifeform: bounce: floppy << not for the whole orchestra, no. gcc alone, think! but to get minimal skeletal userland.

00:51:00 bounce: switch to a smaller cc first? :-p

00:51:11 asciilifeform: fabrice bellard's tinycc would be neat, but no cpp.

00:51:27 asciilifeform: and satoshi crapped out cpp and used cpp-dependant dependencies.

00:51:39 BingoBoingo: Boost is a bitch

00:51:55 asciilifeform: if someone wants to try building a cpp preprocessor using tinycc - be the hero, yes.

00:51:57 joecool: BingoBoingo: bb10 is not that bad, come on

00:52:05 bounce: boost is a bit ludicrous, even for the c++ course

00:52:11 mircea_popescu: <jurov> there must be some statistic how price of uprooting increases with age >> it does ? why would it ?

00:52:22 BingoBoingo: joecool: BB9 was perfect for what a person could expect out of a mobile turd os though

00:52:25 asciilifeform: ^ i did point out.

00:52:29 bounce: why'd you want to distribute the cc if you're going to distribute binaries?

00:52:48 BingoBoingo: bounce: So people can reproduce binaries

00:52:55 asciilifeform: bounce: we were discussing an ideally-portable and self-contained distributable build system.

00:53:08 bounce: then split it in a full build-everything-from-source thing and a shrunk binary-only thing

00:53:09 asciilifeform: that never pulls - anything - off the net on its own accord.

00:53:12 joecool: BingoBoingo: 9? did you mean 7?

00:53:24 asciilifeform: shrunk binary-only thing is the binary.

00:53:33 bounce: full source is never going to work on a floppy, unless you can make xor compression work

00:53:40 asciilifeform: any of the 29 (?) magickey holders can make you one & sign it

00:53:49 asciilifeform: i explained the floppy

00:54:05 BingoBoingo: joecool: Whatever came before 10 and had wifi calling and the vibrating dildo function

00:54:05 asciilifeform: even the source doesn't fit on floppy

00:54:06 bounce: probably flew me by, sorry

00:54:24 joecool: BingoBoingo: i dunno, 10 still has that too

00:55:17 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> instant anti-ddos pill << this is like saying that because anyone can wget -m qntra.net that's an anti ddos pill

00:55:25 BingoBoingo: joecool: But 10 doesn't work on preferred hardware.

00:55:37 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it would be, if it were simple to mirror. and every post signed.

00:55:59 asciilifeform: and presuming folks wanted to.

00:56:11 asciilifeform: need both the will and the way.

00:57:08 cazalla: i got a response from paydici if anyone was interested in yesterdays article http://qntra.net/2014/10/bitpay-to-assist-paydici-to-enable-bitcoin-based-recurring-billing/

00:57:08 assbot: BitPay To Assist Paydici To Enable Bitcoin Based Recurring Billing | Qntra.net

00:59:10 asciilifeform: qnx << a very interesting item, and i loved playing with it when young, but it was inevitably bulldozed by the age of no-you-can't-make-money-selling-close-os-unless-you-re-apple-or-microshit

00:59:17 asciilifeform: *closed

00:59:31 asciilifeform: or, one might add, green hills corp.

00:59:47 asciilifeform: whose owner invented 'linux fud' !

01:00:18 asciilifeform: (their entire business model consists of 'we're rather like linux, but closed-source and nsa-approved, one hundred percent Aryan')

01:01:14 bounce: so qnx lacked military connections and dishonesty to succeed

01:01:46 asciilifeform: actually it had connections, and, afaik, still runs on various 'if they told you they'd have to kill you' hardware - but not a going concern

01:03:20 asciilifeform: at any rate:

01:03:24 asciilifeform: there is nothing magic about qnx.

01:03:33 asciilifeform: it is only less of a turd than other unix-likes because:

01:03:35 asciilifeform: there's less of it.

01:03:41 asciilifeform: (bitwise)

01:03:53 asciilifeform: therefore closer to 'fits in head.'

01:04:12 asciilifeform: about similar (in conceptual 'weight' rather than design!) to the unix described in 'lions book.'

01:04:32 cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/10/julian-assange-bitcoins-blockchain-most-intellectually-interesting-development-in-the-last-five-years/

01:04:32 assbot: Julian Assange: "Bitcoin's Blockchain Most Intellectually Interesting Development In The Last Five Years | Qntra.net

01:06:51 asciilifeform: http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg17223184.000-did-bubonic-plague-really-cause-the-black-death.html << more interesting.

01:06:51 assbot: Did bubonic plague really cause the Black Death? - health - 24 November 2001 - New Scientist

01:07:51 BingoBoingo: Oh Today's World Series game is competitive

01:09:40 BingoBoingo: Fuck Hunter Pence looks like an extra from Breaking Bad, methed out motherfucker

01:09:48 asciilifeform: 'They are not the first to blame Ebola for an ancient plague. Scientists and classicists in San Diego reported in 1996 that the symptoms of the plague of Athens around 430 BC, described by Thucydides, are remarkably similar to Ebola, including a distinctive retching or hiccupping. Apart from that, many of the symptoms of that plague- ? and one in Constantinople in AD 540 ? -were similar to the Black Death.'

01:10:27 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Familiar with Hanta or any other new worls scourges?

01:10:44 asciilifeform: 'Eurasian hantaviruses can incubate for up to 42 days, but are not usually directly contagious between people.' (linked piece)

01:12:15 BingoBoingo: The New Reno region mircea_popescu wants to playground eventually as new world hantaviruses, keep your distance from the mice...

01:18:18 decimation: qnx was fun. did they ever have a multiprocessing variant?

01:19:01 decimation: heh http://www.qnx.com/developers/docs/6.3.0SP3/neutrino/sys_arch/smp.html#SMP " Symmetric multiprocessing addresses the issue by running only one copy of Neutrino on all of the system's CPUs."

01:19:01 assbot: QNX Developer Support

01:19:15 BingoBoingo: decimation: BB10? Think it was bigkernellock like OpenBSD though

01:20:35 decimation: the c-machine is a mistake, but ganging multiple c-machines was an even bigger mistake

01:20:50 mircea_popescu: cazalla the sorrow in that "That's about as close as you can get with BitCoin." is delicious.

01:21:37 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Cazalla as head of qntra was a gift that keeps giving. Dude knows tone.

01:22:27 mircea_popescu: <assbot> Julian Assange: "Bitcoin's Blockchain Most Intellectually Interesting Development In The Last Five Years | Qntra.net << for sure.

01:22:52 decimation: the implication being that assange has accomplished little with his derpcapade

01:23:06 mircea_popescu: comparatively less does not mean little.

01:23:15 mircea_popescu: it just means everyone else is drowning in their own shit

01:24:20 cazalla: mircea_popescu, the reminder emails will probably get bitpay flagged for spam too

01:24:35 mircea_popescu: nah, they probably paid the payola

01:25:02 mircea_popescu: (the way "spam" works is you pay yahoo 100 bux or w/e, never get fglagged. dun recall right off what google is)

01:25:40 decimation: assange and his crew struck me as a naive bunch whose position is "we want a loving mommy state"

01:26:13 cazalla: decimation, he is quite soft when it comes to shit like aboriginals

01:26:37 decimation: cazalla: interesting. what does that mean exactly? more welfare?

01:27:11 cazalla: more everything at cost to the tax payer

01:27:35 decimation: plus apologizing for forcing their children to go to school and beating them until they learned?

01:27:45 mircea_popescu: lol

01:27:59 mircea_popescu: you know if you dig deep enough everyone's going to have a bunch of idiotic notions.

01:28:03 mircea_popescu: best take people at their peak

01:28:20 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: All officers and directors voluntarily agreed to the Company's redemption of an aggregate of 12,750,000 shares of common stock for an aggregate payment of $2,491. In doing so, the Company will have further flexibility in continuing to strengthen its balance sheet and ultimately add shareholder value. << could you help me decipher what is going on here accounting wise?

01:29:02 mircea_popescu: they bought back their own stock ?

01:29:09 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu> best take people at their peak << Great value of a WoT system as here has is you can know what their bottom is

01:29:57 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: that's what I thought but based on these numbers...($2491 for ~13mn shares doesn't add up to the published market value as it looks like the ask value is ~ 8 cents a share)

01:30:02 mircea_popescu: at any rate, that's what it should mean, regardless what they actuall did.

01:30:10 cazalla: decimation, that's already been done and now they want compensation, the abos want to live off the land but government is determined to stop them no matter how much it costs

01:30:16 mircea_popescu: ;;calc 2,491 / 12,750,000

01:30:16 gribble: Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number.

01:30:20 mircea_popescu: ;;calc 2491 / 12750000

01:30:20 gribble: 0.00019537254902

01:30:25 thestringpuller: ^- see?

01:30:40 thestringpuller: http://investors.btcs.com/ << bottom of page has stock price

01:30:40 mircea_popescu: does it say who it redeemed from ?

01:30:53 thestringpuller: nope

01:30:56 thestringpuller: just "it was redeemed"

01:31:06 decimation: cazalla: that's pretty much how it works in the us and canada too

01:31:10 mircea_popescu: yeah well, basically, this is a disguised gift of stock from directors / interested parties to company

01:31:15 mircea_popescu: designed to increase per share value.

01:31:19 mircea_popescu: borderline fraudulent.

01:31:40 thestringpuller: okay that's what BingoBoingo and I thought. thanks for clarifying.

01:31:54 cazalla: decimation, they're not all bad, i had a good abo mate through school but once they hit 13, they just want to go lighting fires and breaking into corner shops etc etc sniffing a bit of 98 octane as well

01:32:18 decimation: they huff petrol? that's crazy

01:32:49 mircea_popescu: this idea that what people want matters as a universal...

01:32:56 mircea_popescu: who the fuck came up with this dumb shit.

01:32:57 BingoBoingo: Fuck this World Series

01:33:02 cazalla: yeah, they lock the bowser at some petrol stations because they come in with a jerry can, fill up and leave without paying

01:33:21 decimation: I have a friend who works in a hospital indian health service (branch of usg). she says the majority of us indians are drunks

01:33:36 mircea_popescu: decimation so are the majority of irishmen

01:34:02 decimation: ironically the irish got their own 'independence'

01:34:25 cazalla: basically, if ever confronted with violent aboriginal in australia, pop ya petrol tank cap and tell him "good sniff bro"

01:34:33 decimation: lol

01:35:18 *: mircea_popescu kinda likes the smell of gasoline

01:35:53 BingoBoingo: I feel gypped, the Kaufman stadium fountains appear to be off.

01:36:19 BingoBoingo: This is nothing like Ken Griffey Jr presents Baseball

01:37:18 kakobrekla: as promised i have setup a mirror for ze logs - http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com - hosting for the mirror gratuitously provided by mircea_popescu

01:37:18 assbot: #bitcoin-assets log - mirror 1

01:37:32 mircea_popescu: gratuitously means pointlessly yo!

01:38:01 kakobrekla: take it up with mp.

01:38:08 cazalla: mircea_popescu, here ya go, much safer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opal_%28fuel%29

01:38:08 assbot: Opal (fuel) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

01:38:29 mircea_popescu: Opal is a variety of low-aromatic << that'd be a problem

01:39:25 decimation: lol they used leaded gas before that?

01:39:27 decimation: that's crazy

01:39:38 BingoBoingo: Who didn't use leaded gas?

01:39:47 cazalla: i think that was phased out mid 90s decimation

01:40:00 decimation: even in the us that was gone by the 70's I think

01:40:31 BingoBoingo: For the hell of it I may or may not have driven a tank of leaded gas winter of 2006...

01:40:41 decimation: I guess the ban didn't go into full effect in the us until 96

01:40:44 cazalla: actually, i just checked, phase out began 2000 and ended 2002.. good sniff that

01:40:56 decimation: people bitch because aviation gas in the us still has lead

01:41:18 BingoBoingo: decimation: Sh... let me kill a few more cat converters first

01:42:04 joecool: <cazalla> i think that was phased out mid 90s decimation < not in planes

01:42:08 decimation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avgas#100LL_.28blue.29

01:42:08 assbot: Avgas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

01:42:12 joecool: ^

01:42:19 decimation: "It contains about one-half the TEL allowed in 100/130 (green), though the amount is about 4 times what was in pre-1975 leaded automotive grade gasoline."

01:42:37 decimation: so, if you live near an airport with small planes, you are being showered with organic lead

01:42:54 mircea_popescu: best tomatoes!

01:43:05 cazalla: joecool, i pray our aboriginals don't find this out or they might introduce TSA here

01:44:56 BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/jeffmason1/status/525066962121261057

01:44:59 assbot: Video shows a man got onto White House grounds, was surrounded by Secret Service agents. Man literally punched a dog that ran at him.

01:45:34 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> best tomatoes! << We still have tomatoes ripening...

01:46:18 TheNewDeal: Anyone attempted to sell a call option on BTC for a cash trade. If so, how was it received by the other party?

01:47:41 BingoBoingo: cazalla: Our plants started ripening in late july and we still have new tomatos...

01:48:54 cazalla: would be nice to have home grown ones in the winter

01:49:31 cazalla: july being middle of winter here

01:49:59 BingoBoingo: July's normally peak summer here, but... we never get consistent weather

01:51:28 thestringpuller: cazalla: july being middle of winter here << the joys of the southern hemisphere

01:53:18 Pierre_Rochard: I’m looking forward to the new foundation & its ‘fork’

01:53:42 mircea_popescu: me too!

01:58:06 decimation: it turns out that the pilot of the 'zombine plane' that flew over cuba and crashed had asked the usg air controller for a lower altitude twice http://www.flyingmag.com/technique/accidents/doomed-tbm-900-pilot-twice-asked-lower-altitude

01:58:07 assbot: 403 Forbidden

01:58:42 decimation: he was flying the first production model of the tbm-900, a single-engine turboprop plane

02:01:02 BingoBoingo: Fuck this might be the most boring worls series

02:02:29 cazalla: why do they call it the world series if all the teams are American

02:02:51 BingoBoingo: cazalla: Well, a lot of players are latin american

02:02:56 mircea_popescu: !up Evolyn

02:03:24 BingoBoingo: The way the World Baseball classic works is usually the Whole United States gets beat by a small part of the US

02:05:44 BingoBoingo: cazalla: No one questions that the Rabbitohs won the World Rugby championship...

02:07:42 BingoBoingo: It is just hard thought to explain how perfect Kaufman is as a baseball stadium

02:07:47 cazalla: rugby? it's league! that would be like me saying softball is the same as baseball

02:08:04 BingoBoingo: cazalla: I thought league was realest rugby???

02:08:17 cazalla: nfi, i have not watched/played since i was a kid

02:08:20 BingoBoingo: And Union was the deviant sport

02:08:53 nubbins`: ;;google why do they call it the world series if all the teams are American

02:08:54 gribble: Derek Jeter - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derek_Jeter; World Series - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Series; Boston Red Sox - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Red_Sox

02:09:14 decimation: well there are a few canadian teams

02:09:16 BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Fuck you, Canada still has a team.

02:09:22 nubbins`: why do they call it the world wide web if it does not actually have width

02:09:26 nubbins`: BingoBoingo we used to have two!

02:09:35 decimation: nor is really a web

02:09:41 BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Blame Obbumer stealing a team for DC

02:10:05 decimation: canada counts as a country sorta

02:10:05 BingoBoingo: ;;google nepal bitcoind doesn't sync

02:10:06 gribble: My bitcoin-qt client connection status and uptime at http://blockchain ...: http://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/7780/my-bitcoin-qt-client-connection-status-and-uptime-at-http-blockchain-info-conn; Google Trends: http://www.google.com/trends/explore; Bitcoin Wallet - Android Apps on Google Play: (1 more message)

02:11:03 *: BingoBoingo actually would enjoy seeing Giancarlo Stanton playing Cricket

02:11:43 BingoBoingo: !up bitspill_

02:11:50 BingoBoingo: !up bitstein

02:12:18 kakobrekla: answer to someones question earlier http://bitcoinstatus.rowit.co.uk/versions.html

02:12:19 assbot: Bitcoin Peer to Peer Network Status

02:13:35 thickasthieves: so no one uses higher than 7?

02:14:30 kakobrekla: well i can see how mp would argue that one as yes

02:14:49 decimation: xbtfoundation.org is open

02:15:05 thickasthieves: ew

02:15:25 decimation: yeah xbt is gay but it can be used as a wedge

02:15:46 decimation: we are more official than you are!

02:15:59 thickasthieves: ISO certified domainz

02:16:05 decimation: hehe

02:16:16 BingoBoingo: Baseball is the best, because why in the hell is Billy Butler an athlete???

02:16:51 thickasthieves: i watched every single red sox game for a couple seasons when pedro was the shit, then never watched again

02:17:34 BingoBoingo: thickasthieves: All I ask for in life is to see Giancarlo Stanton with a better team. Any team oher than the Marlins will do.

02:17:48 thickasthieves: all i ask for is Bo Jackson comeback

02:17:57 BingoBoingo: SO old nao

02:18:00 thickasthieves: hehe

02:18:11 BingoBoingo: Bo Jackson makes MP feel young

02:18:30 thickasthieves: i think i might be same age as mp

02:18:40 BingoBoingo: Oh, Royal are winning now.

02:18:47 BingoBoingo: That mean Lorde is happy.

02:19:10 thickasthieves: so she can die now

02:19:21 thickasthieves: happy, that is

02:19:50 BingoBoingo: This is actually the person Lorde wrote "Royals" about https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PseNrUeSmXk

02:19:50 assbot: The George Brett Story - YouTube

02:20:12 BingoBoingo: Mr. Pooped his pants in a casino, George Brett.

02:20:26 thickasthieves: i had a lot of his baseball cards once

02:20:31 BingoBoingo: !u[ cardigm

02:20:32 thickasthieves: since he played with bo

02:20:37 thickasthieves: right?

02:20:39 BingoBoingo: I still do somewhere, maybe

02:20:42 nubbins`: kako so most people are using 0.3.x?!

02:20:56 nubbins`: c'est impossible

02:21:03 thickasthieves: i still have all my bo cards, my brother collected ken griffer

02:21:04 kakobrekla: myea

02:21:09 thickasthieves: griffey jr*

02:21:30 BingoBoingo: thickasthieves: Bo did have an especially dignified retirement

02:21:38 thickasthieves: he did better value wise, but now its all worth nothing pretty much

02:21:45 kakobrekla: https://getaddr.bitnodes.io/nodes/

02:21:46 assbot: Snapshot of reachable nodes in the Bitcoin network - Bitnodes

02:21:48 kakobrekla: some other charts

02:21:57 kakobrekla: with more modern version numbers

02:21:58 kakobrekla: lol

02:22:12 thickasthieves: such css!

02:22:49 asciilifeform: the non-classical version strings are interesting

02:22:49 kakobrekla: 31. /BTCXchange.ro:0.9.99/ (1)

02:22:50 kakobrekla: hehe

02:23:32 asciilifeform: and what, for instances, is 'caesure:2014' ?

02:23:38 asciilifeform: or 'midascoin' ?

02:23:38 thickasthieves: versioning should start at 1000 and end at 0

02:23:46 asciilifeform: !s kelvin versioning

02:23:47 assbot: 3 results for 'kelvin versioning' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=kelvin+versioning

02:24:06 thickasthieves: heh!

02:24:07 kakobrekla: asciilifeform https://github.com/samrushing/caesure

02:24:07 assbot: samrushing/caesure GitHub

02:24:37 BingoBoingo: Versioning should be remove code Major++, add bullshit minor++ so M.m like 968.2

02:25:05 thickasthieves: so we agree to just not use versions

02:25:15 kakobrekla: that caesure seems to be around since 2011

02:25:15 thickasthieves: just timestamps

02:25:22 asciilifeform: byte counts.

02:25:56 asciilifeform: half-seriously,

02:26:03 asciilifeform: version == log2(bytecount).

02:26:56 asciilifeform: caesure << uses 'shrapnel', mega-libraryturd.

02:27:13 kakobrekla: nfi what that is

02:27:20 asciilifeform: never heard of it until now

02:27:37 asciilifeform: and, unsurprisingly, openssl

02:27:45 asciilifeform: so no win really.

02:28:23 kakobrekla: o hey hetzner hosts 180 nodes lol

02:28:27 BingoBoingo: WILD PITCH, runners on 2nd and 3rd

02:28:42 BingoBoingo: Bottom of the 6th, two outs

02:29:01 asciilifeform: and what is 'statoshi:0.9.99'...?

02:29:22 asciilifeform: or 'toxi'

02:29:48 BingoBoingo: RBI DOUBLE, 5-2, Kansas city over San Francisco atm. 3.1 innings left

02:30:07 asciilifeform: is there a chart of these sorted by hash/sec ?

02:30:23 asciilifeform: (yes i get that the number is '0' for most of the above list)

02:31:07 thickasthieves: ;;ticker

02:31:09 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 382.02, Best ask: 382.47, Bid-ask spread: 0.45000, Last trade: 382.49, 24 hour volume: 8029.65324351, 24 hour low: 380.0, 24 hour high: 388.83, 24 hour vwap: 384.099411335

02:31:14 kakobrekla: o hey our resident child rapist also keeps charts

02:31:16 kakobrekla: http://luke.dashjr.org/programs/bitcoin/files/charts/security.html?20121910

02:31:21 BingoBoingo: Home RUN, Royals now up 7-2 in the 6th, 3.1 innings left.

02:31:24 thickasthieves: getting ready to move, just not sure which way

02:31:25 thestringpuller: he's a child rapist now?

02:31:35 kakobrekla: 360 vuln nodes ? lol

02:31:43 BingoBoingo: Sorry, last two updates should read 3.2 innings left.

02:31:45 asciilifeform: uncommonly useless chart

02:31:48 thestringpuller: Oh wow.

02:31:58 thestringpuller: KC is bringing the pain.

02:32:17 kakobrekla: yeah well child rape is also useless, yet.

02:32:44 kakobrekla: wait

02:32:49 kakobrekla: those arent real time charts

02:32:49 decimation: asciilifeform: yeah that's the bottom line: what are the high-hash miners using?

02:32:51 kakobrekla: :\

02:33:02 kakobrekla: http://luke.dashjr.org/programs/bitcoin/files/charts/

02:33:02 assbot: Index of /programs/bitcoin/files/charts

02:33:10 asciilifeform: decimation: seems like a question that ought to be answerable, at least very approximately, without their cooperation

02:33:32 decimation: origin nodes of minted blocks?

02:33:42 asciilifeform: one can fudge the version string in the proggy, yes, but if you're on the network, folks can presumably connect to your node and test behaviours

02:34:35 kakobrekla: not sure if its enough to pinpoint version

02:34:53 asciilifeform: pinpoint - no. approximately tell if they're running hearn turd - yes.

02:35:00 kakobrekla: maybe

02:37:37 cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/10/breakout-gaming-fall-short-in-attempt-to-raise-10000-btc/

02:37:37 assbot: Breakout Gaming Fall Short In Attempt To Raise 10,000 BTC | Qntra.net

02:37:56 cazalla: this is just like when worm in rounders is asked how short he is and he responds "all the way"

02:38:01 asciilifeform: 10,000 btc << building a planet ?

02:38:30 BingoBoingo: I dunno about Yall, but I am watching Silicon Valley getting fucked with a frozen turd wrought of their own ethical lapses.

02:38:53 asciilifeform: ?

02:39:29 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The San Francisco Giants getting fucked by a team with a fraction of their payroll.

02:40:02 Adlai: did my gif get through earlier? https://i.imgur.com/srO11QN.gif <-- this may be the moment when i finally realized the importance of natural selection

02:40:10 *: asciilifeform confesses that he doesn't see anything whatsoever that may happen in a gladiatorial arena as 'silicon valley fucked'

02:41:18 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Not Handegg so not really that gladatorial

02:41:54 asciilifeform: arena in the sense of reasonably strong containment

02:42:00 asciilifeform: what happens in - generally, stays in

02:42:29 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I can report here on it so copyrasta containment not that strong yet

02:42:52 asciilifeform: stays in - in the sense that not once have i ever seen any reason to give a damn about it

02:43:08 BingoBoingo: Ah, that is a different dilema.

02:43:17 asciilifeform: other than scientific curiosity, re: what fascinates various folks so much

02:43:55 BingoBoingo: Baseball fascinates me in how it seems to be the intersection of dice games and atheleticism

02:44:07 BingoBoingo: That's why I find it betable

02:45:50 BingoBoingo: Also odd things happen in baseball over time. In 2010 people would call prank if you said Tim Lincecum warming up in the bullpen, but it is happening.

02:46:24 *: asciilifeform had to look up 'bullpen'

02:47:24 BingoBoingo: Ah, I guess for context... back in 2010 Lincecum was called the "Freak" for seeming unnaturaly better than any other starting pitcher, but since then... He has more than regressed to mean...

02:48:27 thestringpuller: Braves fans are like that with Craig Kimbrel

02:48:55 BingoBoingo: Mastery of Bullpen usage was how Larussa got the Cardinals two world series wins, but nao... Mathenaging...

02:49:15 BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Kimbrel is probably Sirian.

02:49:35 asciilifeform: ^ unique among just about all subjects, this remains 'greek to me' regardless of what i read.

02:49:40 asciilifeform: brain just won't digest.

02:50:21 asciilifeform: i had the rules of, e.g., baseball, explained to me - on more than one occasion - and promptly forgot the next day.

02:50:34 decimation: asciilifeform: yeah I'm that way with handegg and soccer

02:50:40 thestringpuller: Haha. BingoBoingo we should take asciilifeform to a baseball game.

02:50:44 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'd suggest playing the part of a Nationals or Baltimore Orioles fan next year, but given the proximity to District 1, dunno how you feel about anal probing

02:50:47 thestringpuller: Get him nice and drunk while heckling the pictures.

02:51:08 decimation: I understand the general concept, but there are many subtle rules and concepts

02:51:15 asciilifeform: that's the catch really

02:51:41 asciilifeform: a great many cultural in-jokes and tidbits that seem obvious to a 'native' but utterly opaque to others.

02:52:00 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: By refering to Kimbrel as Sirian I mean as in from the Wasp, bowlegged with inhuman movements. Only way to describe the fucker.

02:52:09 asciilifeform: this plus a chronic lack of my being able to muster giving a rat's arse

02:52:17 asciilifeform: yes i get that part - the only thing

02:52:26 asciilifeform: i meant, the game in general.

02:52:34 asciilifeform: and american football.

02:52:53 BingoBoingo: Ah, well most 'Murican don't really get Baseball anymore unless their spanish is good.

02:53:30 BingoBoingo: American football is simpler though. DOn't break your spine before you sign an NFL contract is basically all of handegg

02:54:04 asciilifeform: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XTS-400 << interesting. turns out greenhills is not the only crown-approved turdphactory

02:54:04 assbot: XTS-400 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

02:55:35 decimation: does it meet 'common criteria'

02:55:42 asciilifeform: apparently.

02:56:13 BingoBoingo: Of the two 'Murican sports, "Football"is probably the one with the simplest rules to grasp.

02:56:54 decimation: BingoBoingo: except for all the subtle rules about when/where tackling is legal

02:57:11 decimation: that turn out to be randomly enforced in practice

02:58:49 asciilifeform: aha green hills is still the only 'eas6' (highest usg rank) os.

02:58:53 BingoBoingo: decimation: Sure, handegg regular gameplay changes every year nao and Baseball hasn't had a real change since the mound was lowered because Bob Gibson

02:58:57 asciilifeform: http://www.commoncriteriaportal.org/products

02:59:01 assbot: Certified Products : New CC Portal

02:59:12 decimation: eal4 is a joke

02:59:24 asciilifeform: (what does this mean? largely, claiming to enforce the american scheme of 'security classifications')

02:59:33 asciilifeform: and $maxint or so in lawyering

02:59:47 decimation: asciilifeform: yeah what it really means is that you sat through many gov't meetings

02:59:55 asciilifeform: and had the pedigree

03:00:01 asciilifeform: certified aryan!

03:00:04 decimation: and got a note from stalin, etc

03:04:35 decimation: I'm not sure how any c-machine can really be 'formally verified'

03:04:44 decimation: which is eal7

03:04:57 asciilifeform: decimation: the whole concept of 'formally verified' is a scam.

03:05:02 asciilifeform: in any and all cases.

03:05:11 decimation: As I understand, the 'common criteria' eal levels are going away, in favor of even less objective scam-criteria

03:05:12 asciilifeform: regardless of what kind of machine, and in what galaxy.

03:05:22 decimation: so it is easier for notes from stalin to be issued

03:05:27 asciilifeform: a physical machine is not a theorem.

03:06:07 decimation: for instance, if your logic was built with 74xx, how can you 'guarantee' fail-safe under all conditions?

03:06:11 decimation: you can't

03:06:16 asciilifeform: the notes will remain extremely easy for some, entirely impossible for others - to get.

03:06:19 decimation: who the hell knows what molten silicon will do

03:06:23 asciilifeform: just as intended.

03:06:58 decimation: yeah for instance if the chinese submitted an entry, no matter how open or impressive, it would never be adopted

03:06:58 asciilifeform: no need for the 74xx to melt - enough to 'get lucky' and reach a metastable state in one or more switching elements

03:07:01 asciilifeform: all bets are off then.

03:07:09 decimation: yep

03:08:06 asciilifeform: one of the sad prices we paid when switched to digital computers is the inevitable forgetting that we are playing with physical machines, and not mathematical platonic forms.

03:08:15 BingoBoingo: decimation: Well, where does Vax still reign???

03:08:59 decimation: BingoBoingo: I'm sure there are still vaxes running somewhere

03:09:08 asciilifeform: chinese << forget chinese. nothing i - a peasant - so much as breathed on - will ever be crowned 'eal'.

03:09:21 BingoBoingo: decimation: They run the nuclear arsenal

03:09:28 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: theo de raadt has a microvax somewhere in his cellar

03:09:33 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: why, want one ?

03:09:43 decimation: asciilifeform: yeah a few $mil will be 'required' one way or another

03:09:54 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'll be looking to grow my farm once qntra takes off

03:10:17 BingoBoingo: First priorities include ECC x64 machine

03:10:58 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: afaik, the only remaining manufacturer of ecc-enabled amd (specifially) boards is 'tyan.'

03:11:40 BingoBoingo: Seems so, but I'll look a few years older and he same seems to hold

03:17:02 decimation: asciilifeform: I think supermicro makes them too

03:17:14 decimation: aside from that you are stuck with hp, dell, etc

03:17:22 asciilifeform: amd dell?

03:17:30 decimation: yeah dell made amd servers for awhile

03:19:06 decimation: http://www.dell.com/us/business/p/poweredge-r715/pd

03:19:11 assbot: PowerEdge R715 Rack Server Details | Dell

03:23:24 asciilifeform: http://conelrad.com/godfrey_2.html << entirely unrelated to anything. except perhaps the 'satoshi warning' feature of bitcoind.

03:23:24 assbot: CONELRAD: Atomic Culture | Updates on the Arthur Godfrey Ultimate PSA Search

03:23:49 xanthyos: danielpbarron is live right now on http://www.donkdown.com/live-radio/

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03:28:43 decimation: 1960 usg might have been able to regroup and have some semblance of authority in case of major disaster. 2014 usg has no chance

03:31:51 thestringpuller: ^- is this why they make so many disaster movies about the USG going underground during a disaster and trying to reclaim power?

03:34:51 decimation: thestringpuller: yeah such movies are probably less fantastic than usg's hidden 'plans'

03:36:20 undata: 1) hide underground 2) send the military into the cities 3) burn

03:36:49 decimation: what military?

03:37:03 decimation: if washington dc goes under, for instance, there is no us military

03:37:25 undata: it disappears?

03:37:43 undata: see: 1991

03:37:53 decimation: it has no head, and the various pieces will find themselves suddenly having bigger priorities

03:39:27 undata: none of which will be keeping control of the continent?

03:40:25 decimation: who's control? I have no doubt that off-continent enemies will be taken seriously, but who's orders are they going to follow? Texas?

03:40:46 undata: the military would still have a chain of command absent civilian authority

03:41:40 undata: I don't think the head-body metaphor applies here

03:41:52 undata: more like giant slave and ankle-chain

03:42:22 decimation: 1.) "chain of command" orders military to 'crush' a city 2.) half the troops go awol, the other half are murdered by partisans 3.) "chain of command" no longer in command

03:42:48 undata: the US military is immensely capable of holding cities

03:42:52 undata: "partisans" have no chance

03:42:56 thestringpuller: decimation: is right tho

03:43:46 undata: you guys are a bit wishful sometimes; I share the sentiment towards the us govt

03:43:56 undata: but I highly doubt any of you are going to like what follows if it falls

03:44:45 thestringpuller: definitely but without a function chain of command the army is going to fragment into multiple "militias" in a serious disaster

03:44:51 undata: a highly armed, extremely disciplined military doesn't just vanish because the congressmen stop coming to work

03:44:52 decimation: I'm not interested in anarchy, but sometimes anarchy is interested in you...

03:45:09 undata: maybe in Rome

03:45:12 undata: things are much more organized now

03:45:26 thestringpuller: we like to think so, but who is really pulling the strings?

03:45:38 undata: I'll listen to the other view; go ahead

03:46:37 BingoBoingo: undata: It's almost like you've been following none of our hobby projects we joke about.

03:47:57 undata: look, if you're going to present it as a given that the most effectively oppressive military complex on earth is about to disappear, you're going to have to justify that.

03:49:17 decimation: undata: think of it from the point of view of the lowly private. You are at Fort Hood, and wash dc is gone. Your commander has told you that the 'chain of command' has ordered you to 'take Dallas'.

03:49:48 decimation: there's no air support, because comms are down. The 'locals' mostly think that the state should decide how things are run, not some ex-bureaucrats.

03:50:11 decimation: things get ugly. a few bombs go off. You are ordered out of your apc into the city.

03:50:30 decimation: your friend is shot in the head, he calls for help, but the locals have already taken over the airport, no helicopters anywhere

03:50:35 decimation: what you gonna do?

03:51:01 undata: I think American's are cowardly enough that Dallas won't have to be taken.

03:51:06 undata: *Americans

03:51:16 BingoBoingo: undata: I'm just suggesting datacenter that can't be disconnected from a safe distance...

03:51:49 undata: if things start falling apart, they're going to beg for the first strong voice they hear to save them.

03:51:59 undata: and I think the military industrial complex will provide that voice for them

03:52:28 undata: when the jackboot ends up on the corner he'll have been welcomed by >50%

03:52:49 BingoBoingo: undata: But what if the Sirians offer that strong voice first!

03:53:38 undata: BingoBoingo: who?

03:53:55 BingoBoingo: ;;google Wasp pdf

03:53:56 gribble: Yellowjackets and Paper Wasps Yellowjackets and Paper Wasps: http://cru.cahe.wsu.edu/CEPublications/eb0643/eb0643.pdf; Yellowjackets and Other Wasps - Washington State Department of ...: http://www.ecy.wa.gov/pubs/97427.pdf; Paper Wasps - West Virginia University: http://www.wvu.edu/~exten/infores/pubs/pest/hpm7003.pdf

03:54:19 thestringpuller: i have the pdf

03:54:36 thestringpuller: http://www.resist.com/WASP.pdf

03:54:40 thestringpuller: http://www.resist.com/WASP.pdf

03:54:41 BingoBoingo: ;;google wasp eric frank russell pdf

03:54:41 gribble: WASP - Lone Wolf (122 pages) - White Aryan Resistance: http://www.resist.com/WASP.pdf; Wasp (novel) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wasp_(novel); One man against a whole planet: Eric Frank Russell's Wasp | Tor.com: http://www.tor.com/blogs/2011/03/one-man-against-a-whole-planet-eric-frank-russells-wasp

03:54:43 thestringpuller: DAMN

03:54:49 thestringpuller: you beat me to it

03:57:39 undata: I'll check it out.

03:57:54 undata: "White Aryan Resistance" really?

03:58:18 BingoBoingo: undata: Would you prefer I find the ISIS hosted version, they prolly have one...

03:58:29 undata: nah, I'm already on the list.

03:58:40 decimation: peterl hosted a text version

04:02:53 undata: BingoBoingo: I'll read this but to continue, the Russians sought Putin's strong voice after their collapse.

04:03:15 undata: why wouldn't I expect Americans to choose their own Putin

04:04:21 undata: some guy comes along and pledges to slap our oligarchs around; after a bit economic collapse they'd eat that shit up

04:04:32 undata: *big

04:04:59 BingoBoingo: undata: Because 'Muricans share a weak soft language...

04:07:46 undata: american putin doesn't look much like him

04:07:50 undata: he looks like reagan

04:08:38 undata: "Grandpa, tuck us in and tell us ISIS wont ruin Christmas!"

04:11:09 asciilifeform: a highly armed, extremely disciplined military doesn't just vanish << where is soviet army ?

04:11:32 thestringpuller: ^- this point should have probably been mentioned earlier

04:11:52 undata: still there, rotting, but not gone

04:13:30 undata: and still very relevant to Russian life

04:19:48 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: wasp << http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-10-2014#882545

04:19:48 assbot: Logged on 18-10-2014 18:23:44; asciilifeform: thestringpuller: note that, for all the poetic license of the tale, it is very clear that wasp needs a support network.

04:20:14 decimation: yeah 'wasp' doesn't work in anarchy

04:20:25 decimation: it needs a fragile paranoia-state

04:20:43 asciilifeform: all that 'wasp' without support can hope for, is

04:20:49 asciilifeform: ;;google solzhenitsyn axe

04:20:50 gribble: Quote by Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn : “And how we burned - Goodreads: http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/34738-and-how-we-burned-in-the-camps-later-thinking-what; Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn Quotes (Author of One Day in the Life of ...: http://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/10420.Aleksandr_Solzhenitsyn; The Gulag Archipelago - Wikiquote: (1 more message)

04:21:16 asciilifeform: it needs a fragile paranoia-state << these are not in any short supply

04:21:22 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: But a Wasp with a poor support network also has a death wish...

04:21:42 asciilifeform: what's in short supply, is an 'earth' home to supply mr. wasp with containers, forged documents, etc

04:22:07 undata: wow, that's a quote.

04:22:36 asciilifeform: reading the tale, it is easy to forget that it is about a soldier, albeit an unusual one

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04:23:34 BingoBoingo: !b 1

04:24:04 decimation: asciilifeform: what do you pay on average at your loper-os isp if you don't mind asking? it seems like a really cheap deal

04:24:19 asciilifeform: 1-5 usd/mo

04:24:21 asciilifeform: on avg.

04:24:24 asciilifeform: depending entirely on load

04:24:39 decimation: yeah I guess hosting static text is cheap

04:24:39 kakobrekla: yeah, asciis stuff is so quotable he could write directly into bash.

04:24:46 asciilifeform: except not

04:24:53 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo is just abuser of 'bash'

04:25:06 decimation: Did you write your own comment system?

04:25:28 asciilifeform: nah it's just an ancient 'wordpress' with all the crapolade ruthlessly burned out

04:25:36 mircea_popescu: ^

04:25:50 mircea_popescu: this is getting to be more and more the way to go.

04:25:57 asciilifeform: what, didja think i actually did work on it

04:26:10 mircea_popescu: fucking scavenger culture. "o, nice car, is it the latest ford ? no, it's an old toyota civic with the crap thrown off"

04:26:20 asciilifeform: 'junkyard wars'

04:26:25 decimation: I guess I thought that anything written in php was exploited to death

04:27:05 mircea_popescu: no dude, php is a lot more stable than ruby bs, then the ruby crowd goes around bitching about php

04:27:14 asciilifeform: decimation: 'nearlyfreespeech' co.

04:27:14 kakobrekla: except not < i think you are the most common in bash say last 5 pages

04:27:21 asciilifeform: lol

04:27:24 *: asciilifeform looks

04:27:40 mircea_popescu: s/bash/come see stan saying weird shit/

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04:27:47 kakobrekla: !b 1

04:27:52 mircea_popescu: fuck.

04:27:55 kakobrekla: hehe

04:27:58 decimation: I guess php has had a 'trial by fire' as the lingua franca of web devel

04:28:02 undata: python isn't much better.

04:28:15 asciilifeform: trial by shitburial.

04:28:27 mircea_popescu: decimation no, moreover, php doesn't try to do much. literally, it's intended to process strings.

04:28:42 mircea_popescu: consequently, the incredibly idiotic shit it does is concentrated

04:28:47 undata: overgrown templating language

04:28:50 asciilifeform: (never heard of shitburial? it's when yer in a hole and they park a honeywagon, lead the pipe out, throw reverse gear, and... fill)

04:29:02 decimation: lol

04:29:14 asciilifeform: ^ from dream as a kid

04:29:27 mircea_popescu: decimation: yeah xbt is gay but it can be used as a wedge << a wedge ?!

04:29:28 undata: is metaphor comrade

04:29:46 decimation: mircea_popescu: it appeals to the un crapolade

04:30:30 mircea_popescu: oh i see. meh. prolly jurov should just reg it to mess with people.

04:30:39 decimation: I already did :)

04:31:11 asciilifeform: it's intended to process strings << incidentally - 'SNOBOL'. i invite folks to read about it. the idea of dedicated 'string processing' languages is rather old, and has not really gone anywhere 'snobol' hadn't gone.

04:31:11 mircea_popescu: lol

04:31:44 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you may be old enough to recall the fucking relief php was back when ppl were stuck doining web-cgi

04:31:46 asciilifeform: patterns as first-class data type

04:31:51 asciilifeform: ehe.

04:32:14 mircea_popescu: you think the web is insecure now, brother...

04:32:19 decimation: turns out they were calling the buggy-as-hell bash then too

04:32:20 *: asciilifeform 'enjoyed' from safe distance

04:32:21 mircea_popescu: you shoulda seen the days of c wrapped.

04:32:27 mircea_popescu: decimation o ya.

04:33:09 asciilifeform: incidentally, technically we never left 'c wrapped'

04:33:12 thestringpuller: http://qntra.net/2014/10/bitcoin-shop-attempts-to-strengthen-shareholder-equity/

04:33:21 mircea_popescu: decimation has it. "bash-wrapped c"

04:34:35 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: the non-classical version strings are interesting << the first time i said ppl alter their strings ppl hgere were "oh, mp is just making shit up to win an internet argument"

04:34:50 mircea_popescu: (nobody actually said it, but I FELT IT!!!)

04:35:14 asciilifeform: alter string - elementary

04:35:30 asciilifeform: ask nodes their strings - also elementary

04:35:39 *: asciilifeform can't fathom what people argued about

04:36:27 mircea_popescu: we were arguing about power ranger braindamage uptake is like.

04:36:35 mircea_popescu: about how8

04:36:56 asciilifeform: does anyone have a quick&dirty interrogatory battery for a remote 'victim' bitcoind node?

04:37:00 asciilifeform: as in, published

04:37:17 asciilifeform: if yes, could arrive at a kind of truth moment

04:37:17 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: one can fudge the version string in the proggy, yes, but if you're on the network, folks can presumably connect to your node and test behaviours <<< miner doesn't have to rely

04:37:24 mircea_popescu: and because of ddos, plenty of time miner doesn't rely.

04:37:32 asciilifeform: not replying - also information.

04:37:42 mircea_popescu: after a fashion.

04:37:51 decimation: subtle client strings, etc?

04:37:53 asciilifeform: if never replies, is it really a node ?

04:38:01 mircea_popescu: could be.

04:38:02 asciilifeform: in what way, then?

04:38:08 mircea_popescu: nodes can implement their own private ip allows.

04:38:20 mircea_popescu: if the right person asks, they answer.

04:38:23 asciilifeform: aha

04:38:28 kakobrekla: <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform: the non-classical version strings are interesting << the first time i said ppl alter their strings ppl hgere were "oh, mp is just making shit up to win an internet argument" < i can see how someone running v0.9 would set the string to 'ducky duck' but not v0.1.

04:38:45 asciilifeform: then arguably their external 'face' is the fellow in their private net who -will- talk to strangers.

04:38:47 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla now we're discussing psychology.

04:38:51 asciilifeform: and then interrogate him.

04:39:02 kakobrekla: mircea_popescu is that verboten here?

04:39:23 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla no, just sayin', your guess is as good as sexyginger's

04:39:23 asciilifeform: ehe here we kinda do more psychiatry than psychology

04:39:26 mircea_popescu: or w/e her name was.

04:39:38 kakobrekla: i guess my guess is better than sexygingers

04:39:40 ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> forsaking version control systems entirely! << i cannot conscience this.

04:39:55 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: read why and then think again. ten times.

04:40:01 mircea_popescu: ima put kako in the bash nao

04:40:15 kakobrekla: bash dont wash

04:40:44 mircea_popescu: what was her name anyway

04:40:50 mircea_popescu: oh saffron. kay.

04:40:52 decimation: it's amazing that there isn't a version control system with embedded crypto signatures

04:40:52 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

04:41:15 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: conventional version control - for private dildonic pleasure. for project like bitcoin where any change whatsoever might sink a galaxy - no.

04:41:24 mircea_popescu: assbot: Breakout Gaming Fall Short In Attempt To Raise 10,000 BTC | Qntra.net <<< they shouldn'rt feel bad, minigames didn't manage 10k either.

04:41:25 undata: decimation: git pre-commit hook?

04:41:42 asciilifeform: no hidden formats

04:41:53 asciilifeform: sign (gpg, yes) a plain ascii patch set.

04:41:59 asciilifeform: with totality of info visible to naked eye.

04:42:16 asciilifeform: yes, the pluses and minuses.

04:42:26 mircea_popescu: cazalla btw shouldn't http://fraudsters.com/smg-ipo-succeeded-other-statements be in there ?

04:42:26 assbot: S.MG IPO succeeded. Other statements. pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

04:42:27 decimation: I suspect git or whatever could be hooked to operate on such patches

04:42:28 undata: asciilifeform: the hidden format being the git db?

04:42:31 undata: it's relatively simple

04:42:37 asciilifeform: who the hell cares if it's simple

04:42:41 asciilifeform: will you read it? in person?

04:42:45 undata: yeah

04:42:49 undata: I've done extensive work with it

04:42:49 asciilifeform: or let 'git' do its thing

04:42:53 asciilifeform: every time?

04:42:55 undata: it's just a key-value store of hashes

04:42:57 asciilifeform: why use 'git' then

04:43:01 asciilifeform: if you won't let it chug

04:43:33 mircea_popescu: i don't think you two are discussing the same discussion.

04:44:02 asciilifeform: ^

04:44:06 undata: asciilifeform: you're saying "what if git tainted my commit"?

04:44:10 undata: that's easily discovered

04:44:13 asciilifeform: no.

04:44:19 asciilifeform: that's not it at all

04:44:21 undata: then I'm off base; what were you saying?

04:44:54 asciilifeform: that the entirety of everything submitted by a contributor must be signed, every time, with his gpg key, and this fact be visible to the naked eye at all times

04:45:12 asciilifeform: naked eye means - no tools other than apparatus capable of displaying ascii text - plus one which can verify signature.

04:45:25 undata: I don't see why that's a requirement, but ok

04:45:33 ben_vulpes: base plus patchlist?

04:45:37 undata: ascii isn't the only format that's "right there for your eyes"

04:45:46 asciilifeform: pray tell what else

04:46:16 undata: I could show you every bit in my git db easily

04:46:23 asciilifeform: can i 'cat' it to my line printer?

04:46:26 asciilifeform: unchanged?

04:46:27 mircea_popescu: well ok, it could also be sung, or whatver. anyway, the central idea here is the signing.

04:46:32 undata: these are bizarre requirements

04:46:35 asciilifeform: no.

04:46:37 undata: you could sign via git hooks

04:46:46 mircea_popescu: undata you could sign via git hooks

04:46:53 mircea_popescu: similarly, you could sign via a website that has your pubkeys

04:46:54 mircea_popescu: would you ?

04:47:03 asciilifeform: i don't actually care if he signs via hook to his toilet flush lever

04:47:07 ben_vulpes: name of the game being dependency minimization.

04:47:10 asciilifeform: but i - won't.

04:47:12 decimation: the important part isn't the signature, it's the code

04:47:18 mircea_popescu: wait what ?

04:47:21 asciilifeform: !

04:47:24 mircea_popescu: without signature, there's no code.

04:47:31 mircea_popescu: just a collection of shit someone crapped out.

04:47:31 undata: ben_vulpes: sure, that's a fine value, but every time someone tries to reinvent VCS, they either produce something terrible or git

04:47:35 decimation: of course you validate the signature

04:47:45 ben_vulpes: undata: git can be used for development

04:47:52 ben_vulpes: that's not a problem

04:48:08 asciilifeform: use git for private dildonic pleasure. or for playing with friends. i do.

04:48:08 ben_vulpes: but for releases, history of changes to bitcoin x

04:48:14 mircea_popescu: undata that's kinda why this is not the same discussion. you're thinking of the scratchpad. they're talking the exhibition.

04:49:01 undata: that makes more sense. In that case yes, I could see a very simple tool for auditing, signing, then releasing

04:49:13 mircea_popescu: right.

04:49:26 mircea_popescu: fuck, people use email to this day to exchange code.

04:49:35 decimation: I think people are complaining more aboug github than git

04:49:36 asciilifeform: i was hoping to rationally convince people that the totality of the project ought to be the mailing list, the totality of the mailing list ought to consist of gpg-signed ascii text, and that this includes patch sets - which, collectively, add up to the product.

04:49:40 mircea_popescu: can you intercept x's email for y, change subtly, release ? sure.

04:49:45 mircea_popescu: "nobody could be bothered to do that"

04:49:45 undata: mircea_popescu: I use the same for code review, even if it's a matter of emailing myself

04:49:46 mircea_popescu: sure.

04:50:01 mircea_popescu: until it becames a case of "we will hang whoever made this one byte error in bash"

04:50:03 decimation: asciilifeform: isn't the linux kernel still done this way?

04:50:07 mircea_popescu: then suddenly people discover that... wait... ?!!?!?!

04:50:16 asciilifeform: linus uses some turdolator or other

04:50:23 mircea_popescu: nah its email

04:50:30 asciilifeform: 'bitkeeper' ?

04:50:33 *: asciilifeform behind the times

04:50:42 decimation: nah he wrote git to ditch bitkeeper

04:50:46 asciilifeform: aha.

04:50:53 decimation: but I know they discuss important patches on the kernel list

04:50:53 asciilifeform: well there's the answer.

04:50:56 asciilifeform: not plain text.

04:51:08 undata: you can extract a nice looking patch from git, and even email it from there

04:51:18 asciilifeform: and do all the linux contributors sign? i do not recall this being required

04:51:26 mircea_popescu: not rly.

04:51:26 decimation: Good question

04:51:34 asciilifeform: can extract != must exist canonically in that form

04:51:50 undata: asciilifeform: I'm saying it can provide the input to your envisioned system

04:51:57 undata: even automatically... via a hook.

04:52:07 asciilifeform: who even cares how each of us craps out his input

04:52:09 undata: anyhow, horse is starting to stink

04:52:12 asciilifeform: question is re: the canonical form.

04:52:19 asciilifeform: no, this horse is alive and well.

04:53:09 *: asciilifeform realizes that he is not very good at curing people of addiction to what feels to them as 'modernity'

04:53:12 decimation: asciilifeform: the bigger question is: who is the 'registrar' of the 'official version' - or does that merely exist in the private collection of each person's note?

04:53:17 undata: asciilifeform: explain; I'll listen.

04:53:47 asciilifeform: official version, if you like, is one (if any) that we (magic-29?) all agree to sign under.

04:53:47 ben_vulpes: <undata> anyhow, horse is starting to stink << what is this a reference to?

04:53:56 undata: ben_vulpes: dead horse, beaten

04:54:03 ben_vulpes: m ah

04:54:35 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah, "official version" is redefined from * this (static) to whatever one has most wot trust towards.

04:54:48 asciilifeform: in practice, the only possible result

04:54:59 mircea_popescu: so if version x is signed by people i know and version y is signed by people i don't know, x is official and fu.

04:55:01 decimation: right, it's in the 'eye of the beholder'

04:55:06 mircea_popescu: exactly.

04:55:14 asciilifeform: if 10 sign one, but never other, and 19 (plus ninjasp4mz0r) sign the remaining - clearly schism.

04:55:15 undata: mircea_popescu: interesting, a fork could emerge due to a breakdown of trust

04:55:16 mircea_popescu: no such thing as "official" "because we say so". who;'s we.

04:55:22 undata: that fits the social happenings well

04:55:29 mircea_popescu: undata more properly said : every breakdown of trust is a fork

04:55:30 asciilifeform: 'we's are illusory

04:55:44 mircea_popescu: rather than papering over breakdowns of trust with "foundations" and "chief scientistdom"

04:56:06 mircea_popescu: and this puts huge pressure on trusted nodes not to break the fucking trust

04:56:06 decimation: undata: no one here really minds having a different opinion than 99.999% of humanity

04:56:20 mircea_popescu: which is essential, because our enemies are putting a lot of pressure on them to break it

04:56:28 undata: my main thrust is that the thing will have to be structured in some way (a db)

04:56:29 mircea_popescu: and you can't just expect "conscience" to resist indefinitely.

04:56:30 undata: doesn't have to be git

04:56:40 ben_vulpes: no db necessary

04:56:41 asciilifeform: at any rate, the fact that no one could really directly profit (imho) from this escapade - other than devils, were they to succeed - should keep things interesting

04:56:42 ben_vulpes: or rather

04:56:43 mircea_popescu: conscience is fluid. look at Luke-Jr's conscience : he lied about bfl delivering. look at gavin, etc.

04:56:44 undata: it could be a fancy db implemented atop the blockchain

04:56:57 mircea_popescu: whenever people's conscience is the only protection, the third reich is about to emerge.

04:57:12 decimation: asciilifeform: right, I envision it more as the collected correspondence of gentlemen scholars, rather than a profitable venture

04:57:13 ben_vulpes: undata: staaaahp

04:57:40 mircea_popescu: decimation yes. but actual gentlemen, rather than presumed gentlemen.

04:57:46 mircea_popescu: ie, people with titles.

04:57:48 undata: ben_vulpes: piles of ascii no, never, please no

04:57:48 asciilifeform: collected correspondence of gentlemen <<<<<

04:58:25 asciilifeform: undata will feel better if we 'gzip' them?

04:58:29 asciilifeform: then no longer piles of ascii.

04:58:49 decimation: folks are welcome to publish, index as they see fit

04:58:56 undata: I yield the balance of my time, haha

04:59:04 mircea_popescu: lol

04:59:18 mircea_popescu: i dunno what the hatred of ascii is from anyway.

04:59:40 asciilifeform: comes from, as i understand, 'xml' and other pseudo-humanreadable abominations

04:59:53 mircea_popescu: more like utf-8 i thought

04:59:57 undata: no, git is a distributed database

05:00:00 undata: not merely a format

05:00:30 *: asciilifeform is not ignorant of 'git' mechanics, uses it (sadly) every day

05:00:59 asciilifeform: as in, 7 days a week.

05:01:19 cazalla: mircea_popescu, where the facebook page and mockups for that?!?

05:01:30 mircea_popescu: lol

05:01:45 cazalla: maybe they meant to raise 50k facebook likes instead

05:01:53 ben_vulpes: i think then this discussion is settled.

05:01:57 ben_vulpes: there will be a base.

05:01:57 mircea_popescu: lol

05:02:08 ben_vulpes: signed patches will released.

05:03:08 ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> decimation: bitcoind begs to be split into at least 3 programs << of which only 1 is necessary ! << for the record, what are the three and which the one?

05:03:23 asciilifeform: which one - the one that actually 'bitcoin'ates

05:03:45 asciilifeform: the one which menstruates guilade - flush it

05:04:06 ben_vulpes: what is the bitcoinating? the part that attaches to the network, downloads and verifies the blockchain?

05:04:10 asciilifeform: the unspeakable cthonian horror that remains - why even think of it

05:04:21 mod6: asciilifeform: i like the idea of a cypherpunk-esq mailing list to propagate patches from a common release.

05:04:34 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the part that actually enables the things we like to do with the damn thing

05:04:40 asciilifeform: bitcoinate.

05:04:44 mod6: this hasn't been done for some time, and probably needs to come back.

05:04:55 asciilifeform: it is the only way.

05:05:16 *: mod6 gets ready to fire up mutt!

05:05:42 decimation: asciilifeform: wouldn't it be a good idea for the privkey need not live in the same memory space as the rest of the code, for instance

05:06:07 ben_vulpes: decimation: a fantastic idea.

05:06:21 ben_vulpes: wallets should be built atop bitcoind or equivalent.

05:06:33 asciilifeform: decimation: in my (now very old) plan for rewrite, there were to be two machines

05:06:41 asciilifeform: connected with serial cable

05:06:42 decimation: aye

05:06:51 decimation: perhaps with a protocol validator in the middle

05:06:55 asciilifeform: but it - is not the topic

05:07:05 asciilifeform: topic was janitorial upkeep of classic bitcoind

05:07:32 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> connected with serial cable << this from reading up on old mpex material ?

05:07:42 asciilifeform: wait this was in there?

05:07:53 mircea_popescu: long long ago, in a galaxy far far away

05:08:00 mod6: COIN WARZ

05:08:02 mircea_popescu: back when there weren't any enemies listening in on our lists

05:08:08 mircea_popescu: mpex was almost discussed

05:08:13 asciilifeform: it's an obvious idea, srsly

05:08:16 asciilifeform: or just to me

05:08:17 mircea_popescu: it is yes

05:08:44 asciilifeform: logic is one for all of us.

05:08:46 asciilifeform: like victory.

05:10:08 *: asciilifeform wonders if his entire life is alive somewhere in old mpex material.

05:10:30 mircea_popescu: the disadvantage of productivity is that it's 5am and the log is closing in on 1k lines. and yest it was nearly 3k. and jesus god it's a lot harder to go through when it's not mostly my own lines! i had no idea!

05:10:50 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah, im sure that's not the case, i never cut solid copper anythings.

05:10:58 asciilifeform: lol

05:10:59 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: welcome to my hell.

05:11:23 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes cause normally i'm like, oh, logs, fancy that. but past few days it's been... omfg help me.

05:11:25 asciilifeform: protocol validator in the middle << people don't seem to get this. 'secure' is not a gigantic mechanized orchestra of quis custodiet ipsos custodes.

05:11:32 mircea_popescu: ^

05:11:38 asciilifeform: it is 'fits in head.' and a few other things.

05:11:57 mircea_popescu: mechanized orchestra is a particularly good metaphore. because it never existed.

05:12:00 mircea_popescu: WHY did it never exist ?

05:12:09 asciilifeform: i asked my father as a boy

05:12:14 decimation: well, quite simply because the failure rate would be too high

05:12:14 asciilifeform: 'why no compressor for the jazz band?'

05:12:24 mircea_popescu: decimation eeexactly.

05:12:27 mircea_popescu: !up deadalus

05:12:30 asciilifeform: 'those trombones - how are they any different from pneumatic hammers!?!?'

05:12:48 asciilifeform: 'why must these poor musicians blow, strain their chests!'

05:12:58 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform did he give you a sex answer ?

05:13:13 decimation: dijkstra would have been a fan of 'fits in head'

05:13:23 ben_vulpes: cazalla: i was derping with a colleague about btc payment processing recently. the topic: how to ensure the payment processor (he who tells the taco-delivery mechanism to release tacos) gets paid?

05:13:28 asciilifeform: dijkstra actually believed in proofs

05:13:39 ben_vulpes: our solution: one of the few actual uses for M/N signatures.

05:13:40 asciilifeform: he lived in the last days of an age of proofs

05:13:47 decimation: yeah but he also pretty much admits they are unworkable practically

05:13:47 mircea_popescu: i'm kinda reminded of the jews on toilet joke. "is this work ?"

05:14:14 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: actually yes

05:14:16 ben_vulpes: funds sent to M/N address, both merchant and payment solution provider must agree upon processor fee and merchant share to disburse funds to each.

05:14:24 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform can't blame him. only way out of that one.

05:14:29 ben_vulpes: mind you, this is a pure-btc play.

05:14:36 mircea_popescu: otherwise it goes on forever, like the us puritan thought pattern.

05:14:54 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes seems dubious to me.

05:15:05 mircea_popescu: you familiar with the three man committee to split a buck ?

05:15:19 ben_vulpes: no, thy enlightenment please

05:15:25 mircea_popescu: o wow.

05:15:44 asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wDESvyj1qo <<<< mechanized orchestra. required as that's my metaphor.

05:15:44 assbot: : - YouTube

05:15:47 mircea_popescu: so, me you and stan have to split a buck. i go : fuck stan, give me 50 cents i'll sign with you.

05:15:54 kakobrekla: there were to be two machines connected with serial cable < heh i have such setup with a buffer on the cable

05:15:58 mircea_popescu: you go to stan : hey listen, he's giving you nothing. take this 5 cents sign over to me.

05:16:04 mircea_popescu: basically it has no stable solution.

05:16:20 mircea_popescu: which is how and why the us political system does not work.

05:16:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18550 @ 0.00074164 = 13.7574 BTC [+] {2}

05:16:33 ben_vulpes: what if there's no third?

05:16:38 mircea_popescu: then it's not m of n.

05:16:49 cazalla: so how long until bitpay pulls that shit on the merchant

05:16:51 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Problem with brass instruments is not strain on chest, but strain on face.

05:16:52 mircea_popescu: kinda why i don't think much of the entire "multisig" bullcrap.

05:16:52 ben_vulpes: lol wat

05:16:54 ben_vulpes: m=n

05:17:02 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes no, n = 2 if there's no third.

05:17:14 mircea_popescu: shit. n = 1 is what i mean.

05:17:21 ben_vulpes: pardon?

05:17:30 ben_vulpes: both keys must sign for outputs to be valid.

05:17:41 mircea_popescu: myeah.

05:17:52 ben_vulpes: "either we agree, or nobody gets anything."

05:17:53 asciilifeform: that film - is precisely about that orchestra.

05:17:57 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes exactly.

05:18:16 ben_vulpes: okay, so my derpitude re: m/n aside, the thing has a stable solutino.

05:18:22 mircea_popescu: nop.

05:18:27 ben_vulpes: go on

05:18:30 ben_vulpes: please

05:18:50 mircea_popescu: well i dunno what's missing ;/

05:19:00 mircea_popescu: if i knew how to formalize this to be readily understanable for people i'd fraudsters it

05:19:02 mircea_popescu: but i have nfi.

05:19:22 asciilifeform: no stable solution <<

05:19:26 asciilifeform: ;;google ultimatum game

05:19:26 gribble: Ultimatum game - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultimatum_game; What's the ultimatum game? - HowStuffWorks: http://money.howstuffworks.com/ultimatum-game.htm; Game Theory: The Ultimatum Game: http://gametheory101.com/The_Ultimatum_Game.html

05:19:29 mircea_popescu: ^

05:19:33 ben_vulpes: the incentives are aligned! merchant and payment processor must agree to get anything out.

05:19:44 mircea_popescu: you contradicted yursrlf lol

05:19:48 mircea_popescu: you just said they're at odds.

05:19:59 mircea_popescu: "the incentives are alligned! they're contrary!"

05:20:10 *: ben_vulpes weeps in ignorance

05:20:39 mircea_popescu: let's use sex, people think easier about sex.

05:20:45 mircea_popescu: suppose you're with a girl that doesn't wanna fuck you.

05:20:46 ben_vulpes: i was going for the wot

05:21:02 mircea_popescu: do you suppose her mother coming to your room and saying "neither of you is to leave here until you fuck" help anything ?

05:21:03 decimation: asciilifeform: that's a trippy movie

05:21:30 ben_vulpes: i'm not savvy to this story.

05:21:32 mircea_popescu: which movie ?

05:21:35 ben_vulpes: let's try the wot.

05:21:43 asciilifeform: movie << linked above

05:21:58 ben_vulpes: merchant and processor sign agreement that proceeds shall be divvied thusly.

05:22:00 mircea_popescu: i had a nice script to ignore youtube links ;/

05:22:00 asciilifeform: 'Шкатулка с секретом' ~= 'box with secret'

05:22:03 mircea_popescu: NOW YOU BROKE IT

05:22:06 asciilifeform: lol

05:22:12 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes if you're going to do that why bother with m/n

05:22:34 mircea_popescu: just sign it from the beginning and be done with it.

05:22:46 ben_vulpes: insurance policy?

05:23:04 decimation: all this does seem to break down to something like "we want a computer to enforce a human language contract" which ain't gonna happen

05:23:09 mircea_popescu: dude. srsly ?

05:23:31 mircea_popescu: "insurance policy" ? "here's a car that doesn't work, and just to make sure, we welded to it a boat that also doesn't work" ? is this a way to live?

05:23:41 mircea_popescu: do something that works.

05:23:43 ben_vulpes: that's too big a leap for my tiny brain

05:24:39 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes what's your favourite meal ?

05:24:53 ben_vulpes: boats and cars aside i think i get the "computer enforcement of human language contract"

05:25:00 decimation: asciilifeform: not far from you in luray, va there's a cave where some guy converted a stalactite/stalagmite gallery into an organ

05:25:18 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: ojo de bife y vino

05:25:35 ben_vulpes: vino tinto

05:25:55 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes ok, suppose the chicks ake you ojo de bife, but as an insurance policy they mix cheesekace in there.

05:26:04 mircea_popescu: just in case you don't like it, as it were.

05:26:05 mircea_popescu: this work ?

05:26:11 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i had a nice script to ignore youtube << that one's worth it. but you probably saw it. about same age as i did...

05:26:55 mircea_popescu: or do they both get spanked purple and "next fucking time do one thing and do it right"

05:27:20 asciilifeform: welded to a boat, also doesn't work >>> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-01-2014#436318

05:27:20 assbot: Logged on 04-01-2014 00:00:40; asciilifeform: re: 400: 'for your convenience, we have packaged the defective ones separately.'

05:28:01 ben_vulpes: https://p.gr-assets.com/540x540/fit/hostedimages/1381361152/4761785.jpg

05:28:17 mircea_popescu: gr assets ? srsly ?!

05:30:53 mircea_popescu: ahh, the beauty of 64gb memory systems is that if they allocate 46gb they still have plenty left over.

05:31:26 asciilifeform: unless linux, and has to decide to not cache disk first.

05:31:58 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sane linuxes actually use the memory. or am i missing something ?

05:32:05 asciilifeform: (like many things in life, invisible and harmless until fails)

05:32:45 mircea_popescu: swap is 1.2/29.8gb used.

05:33:58 asciilifeform: i often ask folks to contemplate, when they soak up 64g, what that number really means

05:34:14 asciilifeform: and what unspeakably-dildonic luxury 64gB is

05:34:39 ben_vulpes: * mircea_popescu kinda likes the smell of gasoline << various engineers went on red alert over a faint whiff of gasoline earlier today

05:35:09 ben_vulpes: "oh my noes i can feel my brain wilting all the way over here! a scent of gasoline! in the warehouse we rent! we're all about to keel over!"

05:35:25 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform im running a sort of generational modelling thing i hacked together. this is my idea of fun.

05:35:26 ben_vulpes: silence and an absence of complaining ensued.

05:35:38 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes lol

05:35:38 *: asciilifeform was driving car, and smelled unexpected smell, took almost a minute to realize that it was it. and turned out to be next car's ruptured tank!

05:35:44 asciilifeform: went on like this for a few km.

05:35:53 decimation: good time for a car-b-q

05:35:57 asciilifeform: phoom.

05:36:00 mircea_popescu: carbeque :D

05:36:13 ben_vulpes: how was the scent moving with your vehicles?!

05:36:33 asciilifeform: both moved

05:36:39 asciilifeform: column

05:36:54 asciilifeform: generational modelling << genetic algo?

05:37:05 mircea_popescu: of sorts

05:37:09 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I know duct tape gets a bad rap around here, but... duct tape

05:37:23 ben_vulpes: but f-frictional losses?

05:37:31 *: asciilifeform secretly sins with genetic algos

05:37:37 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo how does duct tape get a bad rap ? i used it for a sex act earlier today!

05:37:44 decimation: I was driving along i-95 once, saw a full carbeque in progress in the right shoulder. Three lanes over through rolled up windows the heat was uncomfortable on my face

05:38:11 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Apparelty people don't trust that it apperently comes in different qualities

05:38:17 BingoBoingo: !s duct tape

05:38:18 assbot: 19 results for 'duct tape' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=duct+tape

05:38:35 mircea_popescu: !s abductape

05:38:36 assbot: 0 results for 'abductape' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=abductape

05:38:42 mircea_popescu: a well.

05:38:53 joecool: decimation: i had a truck explode in front of me on i-78, driver got out just in time, bad spot too under an overpass

05:39:06 mircea_popescu: did you get thrown off road ?

05:39:17 asciilifeform: carbeque << 'and then they summoned me / to the 'special' division / and asked 'why did you not burn up with your tank?' / to them i answered / 'in the next attack,' / 'in the next attack,' / 'i promise, i'll burn up!'

05:39:34 asciilifeform: (rough translation, perverted version of ru ww2-era patriotic song)

05:40:05 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: no need for the 74xx to melt - enough to 'get lucky' and reach a metastable state in one or more switching elements << for pure wankeriferious interest : wouldn't supercooling it be a pill against all this ?

05:40:20 asciilifeform: against metastability?

05:40:21 asciilifeform: nope

05:40:24 joecool: mircea_popescu: opposite side, very strong heat, assuming the diesel is what caught

05:40:27 ben_vulpes: <kakobrekla> answer to someones question earlier http://bitcoinstatus.rowit.co.uk/versions.html << those colors.

05:40:27 assbot: Bitcoin Peer to Peer Network Status

05:40:34 joecool: not a bomb

05:40:43 decimation: if you were to fully extract the energy of a tank of gas going into your car at the pump, you would be getting about 22 megawatts

05:40:45 asciilifeform: what it even means. the fact that the two documented stable states of, e.g., flipflop (or even just inverter) are an abstraction.

05:40:53 decimation: Er, power, not energy

05:40:53 asciilifeform: think of a sheet of rubber with two dimples

05:41:15 asciilifeform: but in reality, there are not only two. there may be a third, and fourth, or rubber can even bend when the ball rolls on it.

05:41:22 asciilifeform: and make new pit to park in.

05:41:25 mircea_popescu: decimation mw-s only impressive for a second

05:41:57 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform isn't the probability to find a metastable state roughlt linear with system energy ?

05:42:05 mircea_popescu: (at low energies)

05:42:11 asciilifeform: depends on system.

05:42:26 asciilifeform: but given example wasn't so bad, 'molten slag' is also a metastable state.

05:42:31 asciilifeform: just, not the only.

05:42:37 asciilifeform: mw - let's work out:

05:42:40 decimation: no, the main issue is poor timing

05:42:45 asciilifeform: your engine, let's say, 300kW

05:42:45 decimation: or reflections, etc

05:42:47 asciilifeform: nice car

05:42:57 asciilifeform: how many times faster the spigot pours, than your fuel pump?

05:43:01 asciilifeform: multiply.

05:43:09 asciilifeform: 22mW is not unreasonable figure

05:43:19 asciilifeform: (how long it takes to fill your car? how long, on the road, to empty it?)

05:43:20 decimation: http://lanseybrothers.blogspot.com/2011/09/gas-station-pumps-energy-at-22.html source

05:43:21 assbot: The Lansey Brothers' Blog: The gas station pumps energy at ~22 Megawatts

05:43:34 decimation: 34.8 mJ * 10 us gal / 1 min

05:43:53 asciilifeform: like so.

05:44:02 decimation: this is one reason why batteries suck

05:44:06 asciilifeform: yes.

05:44:49 ben_vulpes: <kakobrekla> o hey our resident child rapist also keeps charts << lulzy, what's the story on this?

05:44:52 asciilifeform: go find something other than chemical fuel that you can charge at 22 MW but won't discharge unexpectedly at 22 MW.

05:44:54 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'll be looking to grow my farm once qntra takes off << lol what a plan for the future.

05:45:05 asciilifeform: hey about as good as mine.

05:45:15 mircea_popescu: you write for qntra ?

05:45:17 decimation: pumping gas is the same as borrowing about 2% of a reasonable nuclear generator

05:45:19 asciilifeform: nope

05:45:22 decimation: at 1 gigawatt

05:45:25 asciilifeform: (re: qntra)

05:45:28 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: qntra grows, I buy chickens and strange hardware. Nothing wrong with that.

05:45:48 asciilifeform: was re: plan.

05:45:53 mircea_popescu: decimation there's a reason civilisation is built on oil.

05:45:59 asciilifeform: my plan is to think of a plan once i have a plan to think of a plan.

05:46:20 mircea_popescu: ^ sounds like you should be on kickstarter.

05:46:20 asciilifeform: or, earlier, if i've something to work with

05:46:26 asciilifeform: lol

05:46:39 BingoBoingo: Chickens have strong foreclaws, powerful warriors for D.A.G.

05:46:59 asciilifeform: directed acyclic graph?

05:47:07 asciilifeform: or 'dirac angestun gesept'

05:47:12 BingoBoingo: The latter

05:47:16 asciilifeform: lol

05:47:22 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron o hey how did radio go.

05:47:54 decimation: re: metastability https://filebox.ece.vt.edu/~athanas/4514/ledadoc/html/pol_cdc.html

05:47:55 assbot: 1 Clock Domain Crossing

05:47:56 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Fear the avaians, but not for their flu. They know of their McNugget futures and choose otherwise!

05:48:31 asciilifeform: decimation: yes. incidentally this is why we can't really do asynchronous logic (e.g. muller's gate) on extant fpga.

05:48:34 mircea_popescu: undata: more like giant slave and ankle-chain << this was recently in full display in the ukraine, and then later in iraq. except both ukrainians and iraquis are, as a stock, more resilient than the us guy.

05:48:51 asciilifeform: decimation: i even think i explained this very thing to someone here, once.

05:48:52 asciilifeform: long ago.

05:49:24 mircea_popescu: undata: the US military is immensely capable of holding cities <<< should be interesting to hear more of this.

05:49:31 decimation: yeah. digital circuits are not ideal 0/1 gates, they are analog computers

05:50:03 mircea_popescu: undata: a highly armed, extremely disciplined military doesn't just vanish because the congressmen stop coming to work << obviously not. it just starts working for me instead ?

05:50:05 asciilifeform: the digital computer is a beautiful dream. good and well, but you can't dream the dream without some 'meat' to dream it with.

05:50:57 decimation: the thing is, the us military only looks impressive because it has 'support'

05:51:08 decimation: in the same sense that the wasp guy did

05:51:23 decimation: without that support, and with dwindling oil supplies, what you gonna do?

05:51:36 mircea_popescu: undata: BingoBoingo: I'll read this but to continue, the Russians sought Putin's strong voice after their collapse. << not after, honey. a decade after. that decade is important.

05:52:21 mircea_popescu: decimation generally high efficiency is obtained at the cost of high fragility. the jit system is a fine exampel of the principle.

05:52:41 decimation: aye

05:52:54 mircea_popescu: essentially to get "really good" at one thing you define a narrow thing to be good at.

05:53:14 mircea_popescu: then you end up engaged in the middle east trying to do another thing,

05:53:32 mircea_popescu: and everyone's pointing and laughing at your apparent inability, notwithstanding immense expenditure, not leat of all of your own god damned effort.

05:54:02 decimation: right, randomly destroy the support for the existing 'ability' and you see rapid nonlinear fragmentation

05:54:10 decimation: not graceful linear degradation

05:54:15 BingoBoingo: Predicted used for Deedbot: 1. Declarations of giving a fuck 2. Claiming swaths of US land 3. #b-a related corp financial statements

05:54:22 mircea_popescu: so yeah, if washington goes or stays is irrelevant, but if the obnoxious sissy faggots currently in the general staff are all raped and hanged the army will suddenly see its mission redefined much widerly

05:54:31 mircea_popescu: and in that redefinition it will signifcantly increase in strength.

05:54:44 decimation: without a single tank being moved

05:54:47 mircea_popescu: quite.

05:54:55 mircea_popescu: in fact, it wil happen not merely in spite of gas shortages

05:54:59 mircea_popescu: but because of gas shortages.

05:55:28 mircea_popescu: yugoslav army was not 1/6 as effectual as the same god damned units, except now commanded by the war criminals.

05:55:38 asciilifeform: folks who are not 'armchair general' scholars of nato idiocy may be surprised to learn the extent to which the entire edifice was built - still is built - to 'blow its wad' against ussr in no more than a 3 week period.

05:55:42 undata: mircea_popescu: I think we agree then.

05:55:43 asciilifeform: and then die

05:55:48 asciilifeform: of hunger, thirst

05:55:50 asciilifeform: boredom.

05:55:53 mircea_popescu: undata good to hear.

05:55:53 undata: I was arguing that "those piles of weapons" commanded by whomever will remain

05:56:12 undata: and likely operate without the freedom-loving layer of bullshit

05:56:25 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well yes, pretty much every single gi item has fulda fucking stamped on it.

05:56:30 mircea_popescu: invisible, yet present.

05:56:34 asciilifeform: operate - to guard col. ripper's shiny new harem and wineyard - yes

05:56:38 asciilifeform: to 'take dallas' - why?

05:56:53 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if memory is any guide, it will be more to settle wot disputes than anything.

05:56:58 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Cousin spent 2005 - 2009 as an active duty Marine. Spent two years on a boat in blue water, "just in case"

05:57:05 decimation: my point is simply that there's no way the us military would be effective against its own people, it would fracture

05:57:09 mircea_popescu: harem does not need guarding, not in that context. btches know enough not to get messy at that juncture.

05:57:23 asciilifeform: harem as in physical structure

05:57:35 mircea_popescu: decimation doubt it. croatian military didn't "fracture". nor did serbian.

05:57:55 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it seriouslt doesn't need so much defense. would be smartasses are well shy

05:58:23 asciilifeform: many places will get things they don't strictly need.

05:58:32 asciilifeform: or think they need

05:58:34 mircea_popescu: sure. so they do today. business as usual.

05:59:00 mircea_popescu: no, i tell you, it'll be "colonel X of Y promised major Z of K delivery of m then reneged. who the fuck does he think he is ? charge!"

05:59:10 mircea_popescu: because if you don't charge might as well shave, oil up and go to the harem.

05:59:21 asciilifeform: basic point - what keeps col. x from turning his division on the white house, for shits & giggles?

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05:59:25 BingoBoingo: !b 4

05:59:46 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: In Napoleon's army mustaches

06:00:05 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the fact that his division is valuable and the wh is meaningless.

06:00:15 mircea_popescu: what should have kept hitler from digging the desert looking for the holy grail ?

06:00:16 mircea_popescu: sanity.

06:00:17 ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> kakobrekla no, just sayin', your guess is as good as sexyginger's << boss you got a funny memory

06:00:28 asciilifeform: may well have perverse meaning to col. x

06:00:29 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes my memory's my best part!

06:00:38 asciilifeform: herr schicklegruber had a nonzero grail budget

06:00:42 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform exactly. perversity and sanity are unsisters.

06:00:43 decimation: right, but what does general y have to say about what col x. does?

06:00:44 asciilifeform: by some accounts

06:01:12 BingoBoingo: decimation: Various general were replaced by cigarette smoking men in suits

06:01:27 asciilifeform: today - col. x won't blow away wh because he has an imaginary retirement with hunting dogs and cocksuckresses living in the spiderwebby recesses of his balding skull.

06:01:36 mircea_popescu: ha! hahahah get out.

06:01:37 asciilifeform: tomorrow - the spiderwebs clear away. no dogs

06:01:41 asciilifeform: no retirement.

06:01:44 decimation: my point is that col. x is much more likely to appoint himself 'mayor of dallas' and send a polite 'fuck you' to the remaining chain of command

06:01:46 mircea_popescu: find me any army colonel that gets... cocksuckressES. plural ? gtfo.

06:01:52 asciilifeform: in his mind.

06:01:53 mircea_popescu: what was that caricature, army wife ?

06:02:10 mircea_popescu: dependosaurus ?

06:02:19 BingoBoingo: ;;google dependopotamus

06:02:20 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: just a picture read from the faces of actual living specimens i saw alive

06:02:20 gribble: Urban Dictionary: Dependopotamus: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Dependopotamus; 3 Signs A Woman Is A Dependopotamus | Thought Catalog: http://thoughtcatalog.com/raul-felix/2014/07/3-signs-a-woman-is-a-dependopotmus/; Dependopotamus | Thought Catalog: http://thoughtcatalog.com/tag/dependopotamus/

06:02:38 BingoBoingo: ;;google terminal lance dependopotamus

06:02:39 gribble: Terminal Lance #56 “Myths and Legends II: The Dependapotamus”: http://terminallance.com/2010/08/06/terminal-lance-56-myths-and-legends-ii-the-dependapotamus/; Sunday Funny: the Dependopatamus | Kit Up!: http://kitup.military.com/2012/01/sunday-funny-dependopatamus.html; overview for magress - Reddit: http://www.reddit.com/user/magress

06:02:51 ben_vulpes: why do dependopotamuses have sex in the water?

06:02:57 asciilifeform: dependopotamus is a real creature which infests privates, not colonels.

06:02:59 asciilifeform: typically.

06:03:05 mircea_popescu: generally the hussies flock to the businessmen rather than the warlords. at least from what i've directly observed.

06:03:19 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i never heard of a colonel that wasn't ever a private.

06:03:31 decimation: mircea_popescu: this is regularlly the case in us mil

06:03:41 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: himmler?

06:03:43 decimation: colonels are appointed directly from university

06:03:51 ben_vulpes: well gents you have a good one

06:03:51 mircea_popescu: o.O ?!

06:03:53 decimation: it's rare one finds an officer who was first enlished

06:03:54 ben_vulpes: i have a charter to dream up

06:03:55 decimation: enlisted

06:03:58 cazalla: heh brock piere be retweeing qntra now lol

06:04:00 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes we're writing for when you get up!

06:04:03 decimation: it happens, but not common

06:04:03 BingoBoingo: Well in Usia Colonels usually start as Lou-Tenants

06:04:11 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: ah go fuck yourselves

06:04:16 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo 2nd lt is private neh ?

06:04:21 ben_vulpes: how am i supposed to read all these lines i didn't write?!

06:04:33 decimation: 2nd lt is the eqiv. of 'officer private'

06:04:34 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes with attention! these are actually the good ones!

06:04:34 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: No, its commisioned

06:04:39 asciilifeform: in usa, 'private' is rank of the cannon fodder man, fresh off the street

06:04:54 *: mircea_popescu thinks he pushed his point far enough, rests.

06:04:55 BingoBoingo: 2nd Lt often is platoon leader

06:05:15 decimation: with no actual military experience other than officer boot camp

06:05:47 BingoBoingo: I hear 2nd Lt's exist simply to make NCO's lifes miserable

06:06:03 mircea_popescu: undata: some guy comes along and pledges to slap our oligarchs around; after a bit economic collapse they'd eat that shit up <<< this is some massively funny shit.

06:06:08 asciilifeform: decimation: i once learned, to great surprise, that as late as '70s i'd quality for an instant lieutenant if joined american army - all you needed was an ordinary uni degree (4 yrs.)

06:06:11 mircea_popescu: you actually think this is what putin did ?! or russian prole thought he did ?!

06:06:35 undata: mircea_popescu: correct me. I'd like to know.

06:06:36 asciilifeform: decimation: this, i think, was repealed.

06:06:37 decimation: asciilifeform: of course, they would pay you a bonus which you are generally required to spend on a ford mustang

06:06:45 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i bet you the 20 year sergeants are pretty fucking happy with that o.O

06:06:50 asciilifeform: haha

06:06:53 asciilifeform: very 'happy.'

06:06:58 decimation: asciilifeform: no they still make you go through 'officer canidate school' which is boot camp lite

06:07:07 mircea_popescu: undata well, it's a lengthy matter, hard to fit in one line or w/e. but let me find you this thing about stalin.

06:07:16 asciilifeform: in those days, it was a kind of compressed 'crash course.'

06:07:16 mircea_popescu: !s stalin from:asciilifeform

06:07:17 assbot: 24 results for 'stalin from:asciilifeform' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=stalin+from%3Aasciilifeform

06:07:43 decimation: if you are a 'professional' like doctor or pharmacist it's pretty much just show up in uniform and learn how to salute

06:07:54 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform wher's the one where you discuss people driving a truck with the man's pic ? because he makes order ?

06:07:56 asciilifeform: decimation: 'warrant officer'

06:08:06 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2014#719963

06:08:06 assbot: Logged on 15-06-2014 17:24:22; asciilifeform: phun phact. russian truck drivers had portraits of stalin in their windshields (facing out.) possibly even now.

06:08:18 decimation: no no warrant officer is generally a rank reserved only for highly qualified enlisted men

06:08:22 mircea_popescu: undata ^ there you go. he didn't say anything about oligarchs. he just promised order.

06:08:35 mircea_popescu: this is a subtle concept. like the platonic notion of cosmos, an ordered universe.

06:08:41 decimation: although I think there were various times when it applied to technical experts

06:08:50 mircea_popescu: the main thing is that this de facto promises that every phenomenon carries meaning.

06:09:00 undata: mircea_popescu: ah, not revenge, just a return to function?

06:09:00 mircea_popescu: because unmeaning phenomena are very bothersome to simple folk.

06:09:04 mircea_popescu: uyp

06:09:14 undata: this goes back to the conversation recently about the concerns of a soldier at war

06:09:18 mircea_popescu: yup.

06:10:06 decimation: right, and the question is: is col x. with his own local agenda going to provide meaning or is gen y. in far away disaster-land?

06:10:17 mircea_popescu: maybe. distance dampens meaning.

06:10:33 BingoBoingo: http://rateyourstudents.blogspot.com/2010/05/macy-from-maize-on-adult-ifying-power_1666.html

06:10:33 assbot: Rate Your Students: Macy from Maize on the Adult-ifying Power of the Curse.

06:10:39 decimation: without reliable air transport and crumbling land-transport, america is a big place

06:11:01 mircea_popescu: a lot to signify, and rapidly deteriorating common language. not in the sense of english,

06:11:24 mircea_popescu: but in the sense of, this feat where random high functrioning idiots like the kent guy quoted earier suddenly buy the common delusion of "global warming" becomes impossible.

06:12:16 decimation: right, I envison something like revolutionary france where the king is derping around paris and all of the peasants suddenly decide not to pay their taxes or heed property rights

06:12:44 asciilifeform: 'stalin did not recede into the past - he dissolved into the future!' (de gaulle ?)

06:12:49 mircea_popescu: ^

06:13:15 mircea_popescu: the fundamental function of the rabi (which is what stalin was, practically, at the massive outskirts) is not going away.

06:13:25 mircea_popescu: and it does really not matter what sort of an ass the rabi is privately.

06:13:28 mircea_popescu: !up eightyeight

06:14:18 mircea_popescu: but the fact that the average person is not fascinated by congressional proceedings, let alone comprehend them at all, is a serious warning sign.

06:14:38 mircea_popescu: if you recall, back when the us functioned people went to see wtf jefferson said as their evening's entertainment

06:14:51 asciilifeform: well, people. not 'people.'

06:15:03 mircea_popescu: how is this then to be leadership ? because tradition-tradition ? mkay. only goes so far.

06:15:05 asciilifeform: homo redditicus was not yet born in his homunculus factory.

06:15:13 undata: "the dissolution of shared meaning" << this is a wonderful description of what's at work here

06:15:19 mircea_popescu: once the young sluts radicalise it's the end. which is why the teenaged runaway chgicks are so important.

06:15:28 BingoBoingo: Allegedly policical speech makes the evening newscast with alleged attribution

06:15:33 asciilifeform: it was why i linked them.

06:15:34 undata: what's the next step? doesn't someone come along and become that meaning for them?

06:15:35 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform reddit is an effect not a cause.

06:15:40 undata: and don't they long for it?

06:15:45 undata: I recall the "need to belong" also from the other day

06:15:46 asciilifeform: reddit is effect, yes

06:15:47 mircea_popescu: undata only if such can exist. i very much doubt it can.

06:15:53 BingoBoingo: !up justusranvier

06:15:59 asciilifeform: just like the drool of a drooling retard is an effect

06:16:05 asciilifeform: but still synonymous with retardation

06:16:12 mircea_popescu: granted.

06:16:25 decimation: I think such men can exist for localities

06:16:55 mircea_popescu: basically, the great federal project failed, the national project never succeeded, what's left is a sort of us of africa.

06:17:06 decimation: but right now the federal government means nothing but taxation and disorder to the majority of the populace

06:17:09 mircea_popescu: worst failed state in the history of european adventure, the us.

06:17:53 undata: there is a wide swath of the south that could easily start eating each other should the walmarts run dry

06:17:55 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The more I read on Argentina, the more it seems like what the US said it was going to be

06:18:13 decimation: agreed. and private Y. is going to be mulling these things over when he and his friends are getting killed over some vague pro-climate change agenda or whatever

06:18:43 mircea_popescu: undata why the south preferentially ?

06:18:51 Adlai: +BingoBoingo | I hear 2nd Lt's exist simply to make NCO's lifes miserable // true in the idf too

06:18:52 mircea_popescu: my bet is on chicago cannibalism = first cannibalism.

06:19:00 asciilifeform: also depends on how quickly us mil can retool for formally organized plunder

06:19:01 Adlai: why not detroit? or mogadishu?

06:19:18 mircea_popescu: Adlai detroit is stable as is. in fact if it does collapse, detroit will be the new capital.

06:19:27 mircea_popescu: they have the druglords to support order.

06:19:30 BingoBoingo: Adlai: Detroit now has some farms within city limits too

06:19:31 undata: mircea_popescu: chicago gangs could at least hope to establish some kind of crude order

06:19:34 undata: yeah

06:19:39 decimation: asciilifeform: indeed. there are powerful incentives for local col. x to 'defect' and become the warlord of kansas or whatever

06:19:52 undata: there are parts of the southern US that are just... astoundingly ignorant

06:19:55 mircea_popescu: decimation which, you'll notice, is exactly how the roman empire went.

06:19:55 Adlai: well, i doubt the US would let its capitol be ruled by local cartels, but they might be a capital of an independant state

06:20:03 asciilifeform: chicago cannibalism = first cannibalism << washington cannibalism - best cannibalism...

06:20:06 mircea_popescu: undata ignorance doth not a criminal make.

06:20:07 undata: they would not be capable of any kind of cobbled-together society

06:20:08 asciilifeform: a la 'best korea'

06:20:17 undata: mircea_popescu: what about hungry ignorance?

06:20:19 mircea_popescu: i have my doubts, having been there.

06:20:21 *: Adlai still maintains that human society is cannibalistic, we just don't eat flesh directly

06:20:27 mircea_popescu: undata nah, new york and california will be the shitholes.

06:20:34 mircea_popescu: rural missisippi wprolly be quite pleasant.

06:20:43 decimation: yeah I think the south and west would survive the best

06:20:51 mircea_popescu: generally, go to the places currently "ignorant", you'll be safe there.

06:21:13 decimation: rally the wagons, fuck you to outsiders, plenty of resources, not a crushing population density

06:21:16 mircea_popescu: their alleged ignorance is merely unallignment. not being alligned with the idiocy that just failed is a bonus.

06:21:32 assbot: Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2RKF9PN.txt )

06:21:32 BingoBoingo: !b 4

06:21:47 asciilifeform: Adlai would be pleased to read the works of soviet academician Porshnev

06:21:53 mircea_popescu: this was kinda the boon of romania. the slowest sheep in the eu flock.

06:22:04 mircea_popescu: as a result, when the flock went over a cliff... romania was still way behind.

06:22:21 Adlai: asciilifeform: any specific one?

06:22:22 undata: mircea_popescu: I see your point; my parents have a farm in rural PA. It would take about three weeks for the more dangerous (meth-addled) neighbors to be quiet.

06:22:26 asciilifeform: who argued, almost convincingly, that cannibalism shaped all of human history (e.g., fire was discovered to fight the cannibal half of humanity, who then morphed into sc4mz0rs or the like)

06:22:42 asciilifeform: Adlai: afaik, as with most soviet crackpots, no translation to english exists

06:22:56 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform shit, you read my article about how fire was used to cookl ?

06:23:09 asciilifeform: nein

06:23:26 asciilifeform: tried using fire to cook, though

06:23:28 asciilifeform: it worked.

06:23:36 mircea_popescu: o you'll get a kick out of this.

06:23:44 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2012/muffins-si-o-disputa-de-antropologie/

06:23:45 assbot: Muffins si-o disputa de antropologie pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

06:23:53 Adlai: well that's a nice crackocy, but i'm talking about the fact that upscale anglophonia lives off the sweat of other societies

06:23:55 mircea_popescu: "Ca atare, in baza acestor observatii, bomba : cel mai probabil prima carne gatita a fost de om, nu de animal. A cazut vre-o proasta-n foc"

06:24:19 *: Adlai is using "societies" to refer to other classes within and without anglophonia

06:24:29 mircea_popescu: Adlai why misuse the term then.

06:25:01 asciilifeform: de om, nu de animal << ahahaha porshnev

06:25:08 decimation: Adlai: it certainly is the case that the 'upscale (blue)' class in the us takes advantage of the labor & genius of the 'smart unaligned rednecks'

06:25:23 undata: mircea_popescu: oh, and florida is in the american south.

06:25:34 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i swear never read him.

06:25:35 undata: there are highly populated areas throughout the south

06:25:40 *: asciilifeform believes

06:25:40 mircea_popescu: but... one logic, one mouth, one fie.

06:25:41 BingoBoingo: undata: But Florida man is a hero of ancient legend

06:25:57 asciilifeform: 'one mouth, one fie' a la american saying 'one shot, one kill' lol

06:26:02 mircea_popescu: >D

06:26:05 undata: BingoBoingo: hah, he will rise and rule the cock of the continent

06:26:21 asciilifeform: http://www.new-cccp.ru/warb/1261.jpg << incidentally not only american saying.

06:26:45 Adlai: the relationship is quite similar to that of an agricultural society herding cattle

06:26:50 Adlai: mircea_popescu: why misuse the term << the term is misused to shock the audience, a technique you seem to enjoy yourself...

06:26:55 mircea_popescu: vrag!!! (aka enemy)

06:27:00 asciilifeform: incidentally that phrase (in picture) doesn't translate one bit.

06:27:03 asciilifeform: just fails.

06:27:05 mircea_popescu: Adlai not quite, no.

06:27:20 asciilifeform: 'hit such that ain't there one bullet but there's one enemy.'

06:27:38 asciilifeform: [to match it]

06:27:44 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "shoot not to the shots but to the enemies" neh ?

06:27:57 asciilifeform: looks like that, yes. but no - above.

06:27:58 mircea_popescu: as in, don't shoot to have shot, shoot to have killed.

06:28:04 Adlai: mircea_popescu: oh come on, your blog is full of metaphors that shock the average netizen encountering it for the first time

06:28:31 *: asciilifeform to bed

06:28:33 mircea_popescu: Adlai this is true. but when i redefine terms i always do it with a solid backing of thought behind it, and my redefinitions are actually cognitively stronger than the current convention.

06:28:48 mircea_popescu: these considerations are important, i can't be immitated by merely taking pictures.

06:28:48 BingoBoingo: Adlai: You only think that because you're still looking at the rabbit hole and not harvesting the coneys therin

06:28:59 Adlai: ok, so what's wrong with looking at farming individuals of your own species as a form of cannibalism?

06:29:10 mircea_popescu: Adlai this was discussed in the logs :D

06:29:12 mircea_popescu: !s bullocks

06:29:13 assbot: 12 results for 'bullocks' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=bullocks

06:29:40 Adlai: lol http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-10-2014#862769

06:29:40 assbot: Logged on 07-10-2014 18:16:29; nubbins`: ;;google the net sandra bullock

06:29:49 mircea_popescu: but anyway, at issue was the misuse of "societies" to mean "groups", not of cannibalism.

06:29:50 BingoBoingo: Adlai: It isn't cannibalism if you merely plan to take them to the rendering plant for fuel and not the abbatoir for meat

06:30:08 Adlai: no, not according to the current dictionary definition of cannibalism

06:30:26 decimation: cooking someone in your stomach is different than cooking them in your car?

06:30:33 Adlai: though i'm misusing the term intentionally, my misuse is well-defined

06:30:40 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you're on a... slippery slope, so to speak. for most of history women were merely used to make more of them.

06:31:08 mircea_popescu: seeing how for same most of the history man was the engine, it's technically using women as fuel.

06:31:09 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Or merely a lubricated slope

06:32:30 BingoBoingo: Man uses homo sapiens, ethics is the discussion of acceptable uses

06:32:34 *: Adlai recalls a calculation in Collapse that egyptian pharoes had at their disposal approximately the same level of manpower as a single piece of modern construction equipment (eg bulldozer)

06:32:59 mircea_popescu: i kinda doubt this calculation.

06:33:24 mircea_popescu: omfg i finished the logs.

06:33:45 BingoBoingo: How does it feel?

06:34:38 mircea_popescu: it feels... good.

06:35:00 mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzlpTRNIAvc

06:35:00 assbot: James Brown - I Feel Good (Legends of Rock 'n' Roll) - YouTube

06:36:25 *: Adlai pokes around to see if he hasn't lent out his copy

06:37:11 mircea_popescu: incidentally, why all this bile directed at fertile women ?

06:37:23 mircea_popescu: http://thoughtcatalog.com/raul-felix/2014/07/3-signs-a-woman-is-a-dependopotmus/ << #2 ? she dares have children!!11

06:37:26 assbot: 3 Signs A Woman Is A Dependopotamus | Thought Catalog

06:38:15 Adlai: which bile/

06:38:20 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Homo redditicus has trouble accepting it has an origin story

06:38:38 mircea_popescu: "While dimwitted, the Dependopotamus is a shrewd beast who knows that there is one surefire way to trap a man: Bear as many of his offspring as possible. Since having a baby in the military is free thanks to the dependency benefits, she?ll be in a constant state of hosting and developing new fetuses that she isn?t certain are from her husband or one of her many lovers."

06:38:47 mircea_popescu: this echoes an older argument brought by say shaw, in much blander prose.

06:39:10 mircea_popescu: sure, the female can be seen as a preditor. in that it ingests and keeps the sperm, sure.

06:39:19 undata: mircea_popescu: this is the insecurity of many men, that if they can't keep their woman, it must be the wretched whore's fault.

06:39:25 mircea_popescu: this is more of a novelty / gentleman's amusing musings, than actual you know, life philosoph.y

06:39:57 mircea_popescu: undata it's not even clear if the author wants her to stay or to go.

06:40:42 undata: he wants to be worshiped by something he hates, undeservedly

06:40:56 mircea_popescu: undeservedly which ?

06:41:09 Adlai: !g george carlin pumping out a unit

06:41:12 mircea_popescu: (now say undeservedly both and get in the bash)

06:41:24 undata: twas both

06:41:35 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I think you wrote on geek wanting to be gifted a woman in his closet who doesn't need for anything. Dependopotamus trope is the inverse of that.

06:41:46 mircea_popescu: seems so.

06:41:49 BingoBoingo: The actual geeks revulsion with sctual women

06:41:52 Adlai: ;;google george carlin pumping out a unit

06:41:53 mircea_popescu: "She is extremely fertile but should be on a list of human beings who aren?t allowed to reproduce because her genes are toxic and will only perpetuate more parasites throughout society."

06:41:53 gribble: George Carlin - 2008 - Pumping out a unit - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kwm-eXbakdg; RIP George Carlin - Kids - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIXlwYoOV9k; George Carlin - Feminist Blowjob Lyrics - Songs | Most Popular: http://artists.letssingit.com/george-carlin-lyrics-feminist-blowjob-rnh9pn8

06:41:59 mircea_popescu: all this pop science. toxic genes, seriously ?

06:43:05 mircea_popescu: Adlai ya, but then again carlin's not exactly the marrying kind.

06:43:27 Adlai: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Carlin#Personal_life

06:43:27 assbot: George Carlin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

06:44:17 mircea_popescu: heh my bad

06:44:19 mircea_popescu: i had no idea.

06:49:26 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Anyways with the dependopatomus I don't think the jealousy comes from them resenting what their actual highschool classmates had when they weren't in the service, but jealousy of what the hollywood version of the rest of their high school class ahd.

06:49:33 BingoBoingo: ANd on that note, bed time

06:49:54 mircea_popescu: !up AdamIRAway

06:51:12 xinxi: hi

06:51:16 mircea_popescu: ello

06:51:21 Adlai: morning xinxi

06:51:25 xinxi: morning

06:51:36 xinxi: you guys are still not sleeping?

06:51:52 xinxi: i guess most of you are from the US, right?

06:52:03 xinxi: it should be very late there.

06:52:34 Adlai: it's always morning on freenode

06:53:02 mircea_popescu: we're all on meth.

06:54:14 xinxi: mircea_popescu - did you watch breaking bad?

06:54:24 mircea_popescu: one episode at some point.

06:54:44 xinxi: then bored?

06:55:25 mircea_popescu: sitcoms, not really my cup of tea.

07:00:10 xinxi: i like the way that they make meth. it’s quite educational.

07:01:30 mircea_popescu: !up Tom_Servo

07:01:30 mircea_popescu: nice host lol.

07:02:01 xinxi: i would probably get higher marks in chemistry if i watched that tv a few years earier.

07:03:41 xinxi: and i woudn’t need to do bayesian stuffs everyday.

07:03:55 mircea_popescu: o btw, did you manage to score a qntra article yet ?

07:08:06 xinxi: mircea_popescu - let me check the public offering first.

07:09:06 xinxi: btw, will anyone proofread my writing?

07:41:52 Adlai: xinxi: sure

07:42:24 Adlai: xinxi: it's not educational at all, methylamine synthesis yields a racemic product

08:59:12 cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/10/gocoin-gets-cozy-with-igaming-operator/

08:59:12 assbot: GoCoin Gets Cozy With iGaming Operator | Qntra.net

09:01:40 undata: cazalla: oh the term un(der)?banked makes my skin crawl

09:01:51 undata: great piece of propaganda from the banking industry, that.

09:02:11 undata: the tobacco industry should try 'unsmoked'

09:11:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47750 @ 0.0007413 = 35.3971 BTC [-] {5}

09:21:07 cazalla: undata, unsmoked lol

09:23:56 undata: oh better yet, those who have yet to receive freedom bombs are the "unliberated"

09:28:04 RagnarDanneskjol: http://mises.org/daily/6934/Understanding-Quid-Pro-Quo

09:28:04 assbot: Understanding Quid Pro Quo - Gary Galles - Mises Daily

09:29:24 punkman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFbsXIyzP-s

09:29:25 assbot: The Boswell Sisters - Stop the sun, stop the moon (1932).wmv - YouTube

09:31:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00074216 = 2.9686 BTC [+]

09:52:18 RagnarDanneskjol: http://arxiv.org/pdf/1410.5401v1.pdf

09:52:36 RagnarDanneskjol: [Neural Turing Machines ]

10:04:01 Adlai: ;;isitdown log.bitcoin-assets.com

10:04:02 gribble: log.bitcoin-assets.com is down

10:04:14 Adlai: xinxi: still need a pair of eyes for your article?

10:05:52 RagnarDanneskjol: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/ is new mirror

10:06:19 xinxi: Adlai - thanks. it’s about qntra.net

10:06:31 Adlai: ... so?

10:06:42 Adlai: you asked for proofreading, i'm offering it

10:06:51 xinxi: i am not sure whether it’s neccessary.

10:06:55 Adlai: ok

10:07:18 *: Adlai (does not expect any kind of compensation)

10:07:23 xinxi: let’s see what will happen, if it’s really neccessary, i think then you can help.

10:07:32 RagnarDanneskjol: http://static.googleusercontent.com/media/research.google.com/en/us/pubs/archive/42958.pdf

10:07:37 RagnarDanneskjol: [C/C++ Thread Safety Analysis ]

10:07:38 Adlai: pdfs!

10:08:49 Adlai: latest chromium has an embedded pdf viewer, pissing me off. i used to click pdfs without worry, knowing that they'd get downloaded and i could process them safely later (pdf2djvu, open in vm, w/e)

10:09:05 Adlai: now chromium just fucking opens them of its own accord, who knows what fuckery goes on there

10:09:31 RagnarDanneskjol: yea- annoying I kno

10:16:35 Adlai: cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/10/gocoin-gets-cozy-with-igaming-operator/#comment-138

10:30:29 bounce: apropos of nothing, is there any evidence of secret agencies sponsoring production of spy fiction?

10:36:15 danielpbarron: ;;later tell mircea_popescu re: radio, he avoids talking about bitcoin with me and sticks to getting me to say politically incorrect things about the Bible

10:36:15 gribble: The operation succeeded.

10:38:26 Vexual: bounce: undoubtedly

10:40:06 Vexual: ;;google dictionary sponsor

10:40:06 gribble: Sponsor | Define Sponsor at Dictionary.com: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sponsor; Sponsor - Merriam-Webster Online: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sponsor; sponsor - definition of sponsor by The Free Dictionary: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/sponsor

10:41:17 punkman: bounce, it's rather amazing how many tv shows revolve around cops

10:41:17 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

10:42:17 Adlai: !s AMAZING COMPANY!

10:42:17 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

10:42:17 assbot: : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=AMAZING+COMPANY%21

10:42:35 Adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-10-2014#890116

10:42:35 assbot: Logged on 23-10-2014 04:40:52; assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

10:43:04 Adlai: so assbot can access its own logs, but it has lost the capacity to amaze itself

10:48:15 Vexual: lost and never found cannot be the same

11:01:48 cazalla: Adlai: cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/10/gocoin-gets-cozy-with-igaming-operator/#comment-138 <<< approved it, i'll have a think, too late here to reply and i'd bet others here can provide more insight than i anyway

11:01:48 assbot: GoCoin Gets Cozy With iGaming Operator | Qntra.net

11:02:38 Adlai: okthx

11:22:17 davout: ;;isup qntra.net

11:22:19 gribble: qntra.net is up

11:22:39 Vexual: Adlai, it's like rocking up with a shopify plugin to a game of craps

11:23:17 Adlai: uwot

11:23:52 Vexual: theye confused the unbanked with people in africa who own half a goat

11:23:58 bounce: http://www.philosophicaleconomics.com/hard-money-deflation-or-economic-stagnation/ <- spot the flaw.

11:24:00 assbot: Hard Money: Deflation or Economic Stagnation | PHILOSOPHICAL ECONOMICS

11:27:24 punkman: fractional reserve goat

11:27:46 Vexual: oh they'll bet it alright

11:34:02 Vexual: but a goats worth more than the money, just like a carton of beer here in oz, or a bitcoin

11:41:53 Vexual: if i provide services for a carton, and recieve a pineapple, thats bullshit

11:42:43 Vexual: ;;google pineapple $50

11:42:44 gribble: Appendix:Australian English terms pertaining to money and wealth ...: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Australian_English_terms_pertaining_to_money_and_wealth; Australian fifty-dollar note - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_fifty-dollar_note; Great Australian Slang Dictionary | CNN Travel: http://travel.cnn.com/sydney/life/great- (1 more message)

11:47:19 cazalla: help a mate move, you better believe that's a carton or 2

11:47:27 Vexual: fuck oath

11:48:25 Vexual: point is, if he turns up without the beer it's one less mate

11:50:26 Vexual: i'd like to know what this steve eregard thinks he's saying when he says underbanked

11:59:19 cazalla: holy fuck these kids http://vimeo.com/109731596

12:01:04 punkman: poor kids

12:03:46 Vexual: thats aweful

12:14:10 Vexual: the emPHAsis is all wrong

12:15:12 jurov: lol reminded me today's facebook outrage

12:15:38 Vexual: what happened?

12:15:44 jurov: "this is in 1st degree schoolbook in norway !!!1" https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10204168203518090&set=a.4040499183634.174096.1616452016&type=1

12:16:45 jurov: ofc a lawyer with two degrees fell for this

12:16:55 Vexual: bit early isn't it?

12:17:59 jurov: Vexual the context is that theres a hysteria that moral corruption comes from west

12:18:28 jurov: amd Norway is funding some liberal NGOs around from the oil moeny

12:18:32 Vexual: i thought st nick was from the north?

12:18:35 jurov: and this is 99% a hoax

12:18:59 jurov: scandinavia is "teh west" for us

12:19:12 Vexual: yes thankyou, im aware of that

12:19:25 Vexual: i jest

12:20:27 jurov: lol vex at loss of words?

12:22:01 Vexual: santas a leftie?

12:23:16 jurov: depends which one? dunno about the coca cola addict?

12:23:32 Vexual: i don't know that one

12:23:42 Vexual: oh yes

12:23:59 Vexual: the image came to me

12:24:15 jurov: keep em coming

12:25:55 jurov: Дед Мороз is more interesting. pediwikia says: in 1928 Ded Moroz was declared "an ally of the priest and kulak"

12:29:31 jurov: currently he's involved in "on-going détente with various counterparts from other cultures, such as the Estonian Santa Claus (Jõuluvana or "Old man of Christmas"), the Finnish Santa Claus (Joulupukki or "Yule Goat"), and other Santa Claus, Father Christmas, and Saint Nicholas figures"

12:29:56 jurov: when my dirty imagination sees a french word in such context...

12:40:46 Vexual: theres about 400 punchlines there, context?

12:43:43 jurov: just take a sip

12:44:08 Vexual: I'll save you a bottle

12:45:34 Vexual: did you hear what our elf of a leader said to putin?

12:45:50 jurov: prolly not

12:47:05 Vexual: he told the newspapers that hed "shirtfront" him; a violent football term for grabbing the opponent by the shirtfront with a twisting motion

12:49:23 jurov: heh... shoulda gone straight for balls

12:49:48 Vexual: well he sent the foreign minister to apologise a week later

12:52:07 Vexual: shes pushing 50 and weighs 40 kg

12:54:52 xinxi: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvSV7bgsClo

12:55:10 xinxi: Mark Zuckerberg speaks Chinese.

12:58:19 Vexual: Meng Fei wouldn't let him speak

12:58:42 Vexual: "perhaps next year"

12:59:58 Vexual: No, I am wrong, he speaks well

13:01:05 xinxi: yeah, his chinese is not bad.

13:01:47 xinxi: Meng Fei? you mean the beauty selection tv program?

13:02:05 Vexual: ofcourse

13:02:18 xinxi: do you watch it?

13:02:22 Vexual: yes

13:02:38 xinxi: oh, nice to meet another chinese people here.

13:07:40 Vexual: I am not chinese

13:08:17 nubbins`: <undata> "partisans" have no chance << https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chWE8Gdp8_g

13:08:18 assbot: LEONARD COHEN - Partisan (1970)-Dedicated to the Matala Festival - YouTube

13:11:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37700 @ 0.00074087 = 27.9308 BTC [-] {2}

13:14:40 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_J_yaC_AGJk

13:15:33 bounce: http://www.nber.org/papers/w20592

13:15:34 assbot: . . . and the Cross-Section of Expected Returns

13:19:01 jurov: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2k2zr0/coinbase_is_in_trouble_but_its_their_own_damn/

13:19:01 assbot: Coinbase is in trouble... but it's their own damn fault. : Bitcoin

13:22:00 Vexual: eat sleep rage repeat

13:23:51 nubbins`: http://terminallance.com/2010/08/06/terminal-lance-56-myths-and-legends-ii-the-dependapotamus/ <<< :(((((((

13:23:52 assbot: Terminal Lance - Terminal Lance #56 Myths and Legends II: The Dependapotamus

13:24:07 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBoRkg5-Ieg

13:39:56 nubbins`: the authors of these "dependopotamus" articles are maybe the saddest spectacle i've ever seen

13:40:04 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETKqz3DkS3g

13:40:15 nubbins`: because you know they're all telling the tales of their own sad, shitty, ill-thought-out lives

13:40:33 bounce: so why bother?

13:40:46 nubbins`: why stare at a car crash?

13:41:01 nubbins`: morbid fascination, natch

13:41:27 Vexual: i roll past withought a glance in lifeful delight

13:41:53 Vexual: read about it on qntra later

13:42:07 bounce: there's better stuff to be read. see arrse.co.uk, say their wiki or the forum stuff about "walting"

13:42:11 nubbins`: each dependopotamus husband sowed the seeds of his own misfortune, yet presents his life as something that "happened" "to" him, rather than it being a direct consequence of his poor choices

13:43:40 nubbins`: "i'm a useless sack of camo shit who married the first woman who showed a passing interest, because my relationship choices are about as logically sound as my career choices. somehow, this is my new shitty wife's fault and not my own shitty fault"

13:45:37 nubbins`: "The Dependopotamus is a paradox. She is an utterly useless woman with a high sense of entitlement and self-importance." <<< completely and utterly unlike the guy who wrote this article, huh?

13:47:52 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPw8MQXjDDM

14:00:43 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucoK6KN1dzU

14:01:01 Vexual: this vodka went thru the carbon at about 10c

14:06:13 Vexual: it's good

14:08:50 Vexual: nubbins`: ive got a barrel of the kremlin shit, you wanna do a label?

14:10:02 Vexual: fuck it, ill remember what it is

14:15:22 RagnarDanneskjol: where do you buy vodka by the barrel

14:17:39 Vexual: got bitcoin?

14:24:34 Vexual: you could take a lada and head north with this shit, it's currency and fuel

14:25:45 Vexual: 90 proof if im a day old

14:36:24 RagnarDanneskjol: sounds like a party

14:36:47 Vexual: http://vimeo.com/101616414

14:37:03 Vexual: I'll save you a bottle

14:47:15 xinxi: Vexual - you are not chinese? then you watch the translated tv program?

14:47:25 Vexual: do you drink xinxi, i guess not

14:47:38 Vexual: yes i watch with suctitles

14:47:46 Vexual: *subtitles

14:47:53 xinxi: yeah, I drank a lot when i was an undergraduate student.

14:48:16 xinxi: drank until vomit

14:48:17 Vexual: did it help you analyse intelligence?

14:48:41 Vexual: yes thats not good

14:48:48 xinxi: that’s difficult to say. maybe it helps.

14:49:03 xinxi: causal inference is difficult.

14:50:28 Vexual: it might just be a stereotype but chinese people process alcohol differently?

14:50:55 xinxi: by process do you mean digest?

14:51:11 Vexual: erm, im not sure, i was looking for the right word

14:51:55 Vexual: i can't talk i get silly on the stuff all the time

14:52:23 xinxi: it finally becomes urine. that’s for sure.

14:52:41 Vexual: hehe thats true

14:53:19 xinxi: where are you Vexual?

14:53:30 xinxi: south east asia?

14:53:41 Vexual: northern australia

14:53:51 Vexual: so yes almost se asia

14:55:02 xinxi: oh, i don’t know non-chinese australian also watch feichengwurao.

14:55:14 xinxi: do you like the girls?

14:55:15 Vexual: oh it's very popular here

14:55:17 Vexual: yes

14:55:18 xinxi: are they pretty?

14:55:22 Vexual: yes

14:55:30 xinxi: haha, who do you like the most?

14:55:50 Vexual: i havent watched for a while, i don't know who is on it

14:56:48 Vexual: i like to watch to learn about china

14:57:05 xinxi: is it because of the beauties?

14:57:18 Vexual: well i like the discourse

14:57:39 Vexual: but the beauties make it palatable

14:58:07 Vexual: beth

14:58:10 Vexual: both

14:58:35 Vexual: they are all so different

14:59:43 Vexual: i learn about different cities by the way they speak

15:00:09 xinxi: interesting, so the tv program is also quite educational.

15:01:22 xinxi: but many girls of them like money quite much.

15:02:28 xinxi: one of them used to say: I would like to cry in a bmw instead of lauching on a bike.

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15:03:18 kakobrekla: !b 2

15:04:13 Vexual: well the girls are a subset that like to be on tv

15:05:06 kakobrekla: >In Slovenia the name Ded Moroz was translated from Russian as Dedek Mraz

15:05:07 kakobrekla: hehe

15:05:08 xinxi: yeah, there are also many good girls.

15:06:56 kakobrekla: > Initially he was said to live in Siberia, but with the Informbiro crisis and the schism between Yugoslavia and the Soviet Union his home was relocated to Mt. Triglav, Slovenia's (and also Yugoslavia's) highest peak.

15:06:58 kakobrekla: hehehe

15:08:54 Vexual: can we equare Ded Moroz to Meng Fei xinxi?

15:09:04 Vexual: *equate

15:10:00 Vexual: kakobrekla is calling upon your intelligence

15:10:42 xinxi: is Meng Fei that good?

15:10:48 Vexual: nevermnd i googles it and its snata clause

15:11:06 Vexual: yes i like him

15:11:27 Vexual: he would be good at parties, inlike santacaluse

15:11:56 xinxi: yeah, they are quite different.

15:12:12 xinxi: Meng Fei has great personality

15:12:45 xinxi: but not santa

15:13:34 Vexual: yes h eeats magic mushrooms and provides no conversation whatsoever

15:16:01 Vexual: i need a new keyboard, perhaps jurov will bring me one

15:16:57 jurov: Vexual it'll get incinerated at customs due to biohazard

15:17:14 Vexual: ah thats a vexualism

15:21:52 Vexual: order a kb from jurov, get coal

15:22:16 xiando: omg $1227 they are attacking gold

15:22:19 Vexual: no annual fee

15:23:26 Vexual: huh? what do you mean xiando!

15:24:20 xiando: http://btccharts.everdot.org/2014-10-23/gold_under_attack.gif

15:24:29 xiando: I mean they are selling the gold.

15:24:45 Vexual: oh thats just ben10

15:24:50 xinxi: … I have 20 oz

15:25:05 xiando: I have no gold and neither do you xinxi

15:25:24 Vexual: he said he haz 20 oz

15:25:28 xiando: yes

15:25:40 Vexual: so he prolly haz 20 oz

15:25:42 xiando: now I know he has 20 oz and all I need is a $2 hammer and his address to get it

15:25:53 xiando: so my advice is to repeat after me: "I haz no gold"

15:26:07 Vexual: well i dunno if you noticeced but were getting friendly

15:26:32 xiando: :-) sorry. I just alwasy recommend saying "I have no gold"

15:26:56 Vexual: say what you like, if that shit goes missing..

15:26:56 xinxi: xiando, my gold was bought a few years ago

15:27:49 xinxi: but i did not sell it when the price reached $1700

15:31:01 Vexual: i own no gold

15:31:29 nubbins`: "I would like to cry in a bmw instead of lau[g]hing on a bike."

15:31:30 nubbins`: leel

15:31:47 Vexual: nubbins` is opposite

15:32:03 nubbins`: i like bikes and i like laughing

15:32:13 nubbins`: and i think BMWs are for people with no external genitalia

15:33:09 nubbins`: and the furnace at the tenant's house is fucked, which i do not like

15:34:11 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCOgj9_Rcl4

15:35:38 xinxi: OK, I will never buy a BMW.

15:35:56 kakobrekla: there is also bmw bikes :)

15:36:01 Vexual: if you do, get an m3

15:36:13 nubbins`: kako only in yoorup

15:36:24 kakobrekla: dunno

15:36:25 Vexual: we have them here

15:36:33 nubbins`: i've never seen one in .ca

15:36:44 Vexual: cops rode em till they got susies

15:37:05 nubbins`: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4X7b2E_Jq-k

15:39:08 Vexual: oh la la

15:42:38 nubbins`: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3SaDlKkqCg

15:46:26 nubbins`: same drums/vox: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuZGauZqpbg

15:49:32 *: Vexual likes the sentiment, can plaace the anti-shake

15:49:40 Vexual: *can't

15:51:46 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3VnX0hf_yM no gold

15:52:32 nubbins`: whoa same face

15:53:54 nubbins`: http://exclaim.ca/images/Waterman-and-Milley.jpg

15:55:13 Vexual: play it

15:56:48 nubbins`: https://blockchain.info/tx/61978dc4de853503debffd040ae4f03ccc17d7fe2cfcc986cf74cdcf62f6c105

15:57:13 kakobrekla: http://www.diyphotography.net/can-close-studio-amazon-patents-photographing-seamless-white/?_ga=1.40344354.1034369528.1398079273

15:57:48 kakobrekla: old as fuck, i missed it.

15:58:11 Vexual: is that your nubbins`?

15:58:21 nubbins`: kakobrekla lel x 1000

15:58:32 nubbins`: Vexual nope just an interesting tx

15:58:35 nubbins`: check the inputs

15:59:14 Vexual: nothings familiar, what am i looking at?

16:00:19 asciilifeform: a miner

16:00:20 nubbins`: a bunch of coins freshly minted 4 years ago, moving.

16:00:36 Vexual: satoshin?

16:00:44 nubbins`: nah

16:00:57 wywialm: hello

16:01:06 nubbins`: all the inputs are from late 2010

16:01:36 Vexual: okay, i wasn't born then, fill me in

16:02:14 nubbins`: no hidden meaning here, literally just a mildly interesting tx.

16:02:22 Vexual: oh thats the whole story?

16:02:26 *: nubbins` nods

16:02:27 Vexual: cool

16:02:31 nubbins`: is it? 8)

16:02:39 Vexual: whaa?

16:02:54 Vexual: not at all

16:03:07 *: nubbins` nods

16:03:22 nubbins`: mildly interesting tho, hey?

16:03:23 Vexual: alll minted? pineapples?

16:03:35 Vexual: fuck me

16:04:32 nubbins`: rather not

16:04:45 Vexual: i wouldnt

16:04:59 nubbins`: you say that now

16:05:17 Vexual: 2010 black says different

16:05:51 Vexual: this kbs claged

16:08:04 mats_cd03: 10:50:27 <+Vexual> it might just be a stereotype but chinese people process alcohol differently? << some asians lack the alcohol dehydrogenase enzyme

16:08:24 Vexual: ah thats what i was thinking of

16:08:31 mats_cd03: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_dehydrogenase

16:08:31 assbot: Alcohol dehydrogenase - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

16:09:27 mats_cd03: irc on the pooper

16:09:39 Vexual: shit up a storm

16:09:42 mats_cd03: feels good man

16:11:05 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uw7xkvc1RlI eat beans and rice, shit up a storm

16:15:09 Vexual: reminder

16:16:28 Vexual: gotta have beans

16:20:34 nubbins`: where else ya gonna get your protein, quinoa?!

16:20:48 nubbins`: mats_cd03 dat mobile link

16:24:40 Vexual: not likely

16:25:23 mats_cd03: i was poopin and forgot to fix the link

16:29:43 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNA4ELdkYCo

16:32:16 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron sucks huh.

16:33:48 nubbins`: "I think lots of people confuse natural concentrations of power or wealth that come from either being smarter or more savvy or luckier or starting with more power or wealth or reputation with systems that prevent newcomers from competing with entrenched interests."

16:33:48 Vexual: yea i herd him on the radio

16:33:53 nubbins`: that's a difficult one to parse

16:34:17 Vexual: the dj sucke dharder

16:34:35 mircea_popescu: nubbins` "i don't believe i suck because i suck, let me rephrase this five thousand different ways maybe one sticks"

16:35:09 mircea_popescu: in my experience beating slaves into submission, two types are clearly apparent. one is interested in stopping the beatings, and will change in any way necessary. the other is interested in arguing about how the beatings should stop.

16:35:17 Vexual: oh lookout tomservo qntra ops

16:35:21 TomServo: mircea_popescu: Which radio show was that in reference to?

16:35:24 mircea_popescu: type two changes into type one around the third day mark.

16:35:34 TomServo: Vexual: Pardon?

16:35:36 mircea_popescu: TomServo something danielpbarron was on yest, dank something

16:35:55 Vexual: you're right tommo

16:36:00 nubbins`: "I think lots of people confuse (natural concentrations of (power or wealth) that come from either being (smarter or more savvy or luckier or (starting with more (power or wealth or reputation)))) with (systems that prevent newcomers from competing with entrenched interests)."

16:37:10 mircea_popescu: "i think lots of people confuse good hierarchy with bad hierarchy" to be followed by a) i am the one to establish which is good and which is bad, b) it's okay for me to use "does it recognise me as god-king" as a criteria of whether it's good or bad, c) the fact that i can and do argue against ANY hierarchy does not invalidate my methods.

16:37:30 Vexual: you were holdring chanops on the undregisered #qntra

16:37:53 Vexual: seems you left

16:38:12 mircea_popescu: the pill against this, of course, is mp on rape, all that discussion about how the ignorant don't know what they're ignorant of and therefore can't make choices as to what to learn and how to learn it. which is why mp is so unpopular with this particular crowd of retards.

16:38:14 TomServo: Oh ahah, yeah - wasn't sure how/why I ended up with the ops either.

16:39:04 Vexual: its just irc business

16:43:25 Vexual: tomservo: in the past its been considered bad form to leave without passing operator stautus to another

16:46:07 Vexual: so on a new chan you op everyone, and you were the las out

16:46:30 Vexual: this aint cute japanese qualifier chan

16:46:47 Vexual: this aint hashtag (n)

16:46:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49586 @ 0.00073986 = 36.6867 BTC [-] {3}

16:47:36 Vexual: and im sure as fuck not gonna register #qntra

16:48:36 Vexual: keep it alive oldschool

16:49:52 nubbins`: back in my day...

16:51:09 Vexual: loaf of bread was 25cents

16:52:56 TomServo: Vexual: It wasn't intentional, my host was disconnected. Muhbad.

16:53:32 Vexual: hey i don't give a fuck, im impressed you strayed on for so long

16:55:22 Vexual: ;;date TomServo

16:55:22 gribble: Error: "date" is not a valid command.

16:56:10 Vexual: when youre the last one out, leave the light on

16:56:11 mircea_popescu: !up ziggamon

16:58:23 bounce: the pill against people establishing themselves as god-kings is you establishing yourself as a god-king, while making fun of the others?

16:58:27 mircea_popescu: i hate how life is filled with double standards. If a girl fucks a bunch of guys she's a whore. if I do, i'm gay. wtf?!

16:58:53 mircea_popescu: bounce that's all a matter of perspective.

16:59:08 mircea_popescu: god-kings exist exactly in the same sense "fuck you rich" exists : in the imagination of the poor.

16:59:52 bounce: the rich are simply too busy slinging subtle and oh-so-refined insults at each other

17:00:36 mircea_popescu: lol

17:00:42 bounce: ancient nobility, of course. nouveau riche and such are party poopers because the insults go over their heads.

17:01:05 mircea_popescu: all that matters is perspective!!11 and also, it's only funny until someone loses an eye.

17:03:44 Vexual: insults go right rthough me

17:04:09 mircea_popescu: ;;google "you are ugly, and your mother dresses you funny"

17:04:10 gribble: Hank Moody (Character) - Quotes - IMDb: http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0031933/quotes; "Californication" Hell-A Woman (TV Episode 2007) - Quotes - IMDb: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1039933/quotes; Hank Moody - Mirror Monologue - Smile Douche! - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzpiWYrW5tw

17:04:18 Vexual: the ones that go over my head i dont hear

17:04:23 mircea_popescu: meh, they stole it. this was the best insult in an ancient game

17:04:30 mircea_popescu: you played one of six nobles in medieval england

17:07:48 Vexual: six?

17:08:24 Vexual: what is this majong?

17:09:23 mircea_popescu: undata: oh better yet, those who have yet to receive freedom bombs are the "unliberated" << this is already a thing.

17:09:46 Vexual: yep

17:09:58 ben_vulpes: i only find it funny once people start *losing* eyes.

17:10:05 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell xinxi you submit it to cazalla who is the editor in chief.

17:10:07 gribble: The operation succeeded.

17:10:13 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes "then it's hysterical"

17:10:32 Vexual: ben_vulpes: may i recommend a wine?

17:12:13 asciilifeform: "fuck you rich" exists : in the imagination of the poor << lol, in what way does this not physically exist ?

17:12:28 mircea_popescu: am i to satisfy a negative ?

17:12:57 mircea_popescu: fuck you rich is like "youthful healthy". only the sickly and elderly know about it.

17:13:00 asciilifeform: not as such, but at least suggest how the apparent unicorns are simply goats with horn glued on

17:13:21 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform for instance by pointing out to the street whore that IS in fact fuck you rich ?

17:13:22 mircea_popescu: lemme find her.

17:13:42 *: asciilifeform can easily picture a street whore who is arbitrarily rich

17:14:01 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2009/viata-pe-drumuri/ < there.

17:14:35 ben_vulpes: http://i.imgur.com/JgYKinT.mp4

17:14:51 mircea_popescu: "What do you get when you cross a whore with a systems engineer? A fuckin know-it-all!"

17:15:01 ben_vulpes: hah

17:15:04 Vexual: ben vuples the java king

17:17:07 *: asciilifeform doesn't quite grasp what he's seeing

17:17:26 Vexual: its a chihuahua

17:17:42 asciilifeform: no, mircea_popescu's link

17:18:11 mircea_popescu: street whore doing her morning shower.

17:18:15 asciilifeform: i.e. http://fraudsters.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/lifeinthestreets3.wmv

17:18:20 asciilifeform: aha

17:18:25 mircea_popescu: fuck you rich. right ?

17:18:28 asciilifeform: how?

17:18:54 asciilifeform: the expression (afaik, american) traditionally means - one who is rich enough to never work again, if so wishes

17:18:54 mircea_popescu: well you're asking me ? your term! define it!

17:19:05 mircea_popescu: well she doesn't seem to be working, does she.

17:19:14 asciilifeform: and, usually presumes, live like a man (not rat)

17:19:19 mircea_popescu: ahaha

17:19:25 mircea_popescu: and that isn't a matter of perspective ?

17:19:57 asciilifeform: well yes. phrase is uttered by humans, who of course have perspective - 'tall' means something else to a dwarf than to an architect

17:20:06 mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9s8XilZa2WY << kid does not want to live like a rat.

17:20:06 assbot: 16 year old birthday surprise gone wrong. - YouTube

17:20:08 Vexual: you know about the asthmatic lesbian?

17:20:33 Vexual: she caught her breath in statches

17:21:09 bounce: apparently "lords of the realm", perhaps II

17:21:36 mircea_popescu: bounce yes!

17:21:43 asciilifeform: ^ wtf

17:21:53 mircea_popescu: Vexual what do you call a promiscuous pony ?

17:21:53 asciilifeform: (re film)

17:22:00 Vexual: idk

17:22:03 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well ? kid does not want to live like a rat., what now ?

17:22:07 mircea_popescu: Vexual a little whorse.

17:22:10 bounce: starship titanic had "purveyor of shoddy goods!" -- pretty damning in context

17:22:20 asciilifeform: rats own trucks?

17:22:28 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform do rats own computers ?

17:22:34 asciilifeform: not usually

17:22:39 asciilifeform: though i've had my doubts

17:22:44 mircea_popescu: neither does my fuck you rich bitch., what now ?

17:22:54 asciilifeform: rat, however, often owns a rathole

17:22:57 asciilifeform: does the woman?

17:23:11 asciilifeform: 'rat' may even be an upgrade for her

17:23:19 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bdeizHM9OU no monero

17:23:39 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform rat owns a rathole in the same sense she owns some sidewalk.

17:23:50 mircea_popescu: possession being nine tenths of the law and all that.

17:25:21 asciilifeform: 'fuck you money,' if i recall, has the following etymology. the idea that if you came into $fuckyou, you could utter 'fuck you' to the boss at the plant tomorrow, and continue to live at least as well (consumption) as presently, indefinitely

17:25:37 mircea_popescu: so she has it ?

17:25:40 asciilifeform: and most of the speakers are not street bums, and so aren't sitting on a floor one cannot fall through

17:25:50 mircea_popescu: but that's besides the point isn';t it.

17:26:30 asciilifeform: well it has a meaning - most folks aren't bums, and possibly don't even inhabit a mental space where bums exist (other than in the vaguely 'doomy' sense that death exists for them)

17:26:53 asciilifeform: to abuse mathematical parlance, bumhood is a 'degenerate case'

17:29:21 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agRzpnS_FGw the doom generation

17:30:03 asciilifeform: 'fuck you money' is a very real item for which folks have a very real longing - because in fact, it is simply the desire to be released from workschwitz and arbeit macht frei.

17:31:13 asciilifeform: people with even an elementary brain do understand that perhaps one in a thousand can be a rentier

17:31:40 bounce: that is the assumption anyway

17:35:54 Vexual: ascii trolls now?

17:36:46 Vexual: of coursem its late, or early

17:37:33 kakobrekla: its fuck you money only until its not.

17:37:41 Vexual: not everyone with a brain seeks residual income

17:38:27 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu is still awake?

17:39:42 asciilifeform: its fuck you money only until its not << yes, generally how fiat works

17:40:00 asciilifeform: but one could redefine 'fuck you' with an engineering margin

17:40:20 asciilifeform: such that, e.g., you can lose 90% of the principal and remain fuckyou-enabled

17:40:41 kakobrekla: you basically need 10 fuckoffs.

17:40:50 chetty: I always thought it had more to do with being willing to live without whatever to the extent you would say $fuckyou to the boss, doesn't have to be money

17:40:58 Vexual: 100 bux is prolly fuck you money if youve got skills

17:41:08 thestringpuller: http://money.cnn.com/2014/10/22/technology/mobile/apple-pay-double-charge/index.html

17:41:28 asciilifeform: if you like to live in forest and eat tree bark - $0 can be

17:41:31 kakobrekla: yeah if shoe dont fit, cut foot :)

17:41:51 Vexual: deep

17:42:21 chetty: kakobrekla, matter of how much you like the foot? or the shoe ..

17:42:52 kakobrekla: cant argue with that

17:50:49 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wTxqHbJOzg

17:56:20 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYBIRHi5-o8

18:01:40 ben_vulpes: dig this: my favorite mechanical pencil, the the PaperMate Logo II, is now basically unavailable.

18:01:53 Vexual: i know right

18:02:06 Vexual: drafters frriend

18:02:34 ben_vulpes: either buy in lot of 12 for 240 odd bucks, or get stuffed.

18:02:55 Vexual: depends how many girldfriends u got

18:04:20 jurov: $proxies

18:04:22 empyex: jurov: Proxies: mpex.biz mpex.bz mpex.co mpex.ws mpex.coinbr.com Current MPEx GPG-Key-ID: 02DD2D91

18:04:23 empyex: jurov: MPEx-Status: mpex.ws (124 milliseconds), mpex.co (134 milliseconds), mpex.biz (146 milliseconds), mpex.bz (237 milliseconds), mpex.coinbr.com (644 milliseconds)

18:04:24 empyex: jurov: Health-Indicators: Homepage: √ MK Depth JSON: √ VWAP JSON: √

18:04:36 Vexual: i've still got one in my leg

18:11:49 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CevxZvSJLk8

18:13:36 mircea_popescu: so i submit the following bitbet problem to the group : http://bitbet.us/bet/861/raul-gonzalez-to-play-in-nasl/

18:13:36 assbot: BitBet - Raul Gonzalez to play in NASL :: 0.12 B (59%) on Yes, 0.08 B (41%) on No | closed 2 days 18 hours ago

18:13:48 mircea_popescu: the bet says "to play". the guy... signed a contract. to play. next year.

18:14:00 mircea_popescu: so does this mean he IS playing or merely that he will be ?

18:14:03 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo ^

18:14:45 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> to abuse mathematical parlance, bumhood is a 'degenerate case' << but inasmuch as your argument rests on the "mental space" of the user, then therefore my observation IS satisfied, and indeed it's not a thing, but merely a figment of imagination.

18:15:06 mircea_popescu: note that the reality of the longing for the idol is not in question, nor does it rub off on the idol to make IT real.

18:15:32 mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> its fuck you money only until its not. << fuck you meat!11

18:16:34 mircea_popescu: <chetty> kakobrekla, matter of how much you like the foot? or the shoe .. <<< she has a point, i've seen women cut foot for prada heels.

18:16:44 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: prisoners may have different reasons to want out of the jail, but that does not make freedom a 'figment of imagination' - there is actually a world outside of the jail.

18:17:37 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: My gut says it resolves at yes if he actually... starts playing

18:17:39 mircea_popescu: but that there's a world does not actually give the prisoner's notion of "freedom" any legs.

18:18:17 mircea_popescu: i mean, there's land where "the indies" were supposed to be, too. that doesn't mean columbus found india.

18:18:35 Vexual: he had a crack

18:18:59 mircea_popescu: Vexual speaking of which, who is the more eco-friendly ? the drug dealer or the whore ?

18:19:16 Vexual: i think we should get katy pery in here

18:19:31 Vexual: i guess the whore

18:19:38 Vexual: she only east and poops

18:19:40 asciilifeform: unlike columbus/indies, just about all people have experienced freedom (in the sense of not having to work) - as children

18:19:43 Vexual: *eats

18:19:54 mircea_popescu: Vexual the whore. because she reuses her crack.

18:20:06 Vexual: the drug dealer charters planes and shit

18:20:09 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform childhood may be a poor experience of anything. freedom included.

18:20:13 Vexual: oh a joke

18:20:18 kakobrekla: ;;later tell punkman ping

18:20:18 gribble: The operation succeeded.

18:21:53 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: mircea_popescu You may want to consult someone who actually follows soccer though. I'll look into the stuff later, but I think actually playing in that league this year would have been possible

18:22:04 asciilifeform: poor experience of anything << ?

18:22:11 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo im just opening it for ip input.

18:22:34 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well you wouldn't go through life with your living decided by a five year old's understanding of what's going on, neh ?

18:23:25 Vexual: when does london close?

18:23:46 asciilifeform: i understood that arbeit macht frei sucks as a five year old, just as well as now.

18:24:10 mircea_popescu: just as well, maybe. the same way, i think not.

18:24:32 mircea_popescu: i thought eucalyptus sucked, as a five year old. and alcohol. and so on.

18:24:35 wywialm: Vexual, in 1.5h

18:24:57 Vexual: no that's a juroc joje

18:25:16 Vexual: *jurov joke

18:25:37 wywialm: i'm unfamiliar with that one

18:25:59 Vexual: yes

18:26:12 mircea_popescu: wywialm how goes ?

18:27:17 wywialm: mircea_popescu, good question. As you have not heard much from me, you can deduce that the repo otc business did not do well

18:27:42 mircea_popescu: well to be perfectly fair, i had pre-deduced that last we met.

18:28:20 wywialm: yes, i remember that

18:28:49 mircea_popescu: btw, you writing a piece for the qntra ?

18:30:17 wywialm: i will definitely consider that as soon as i will have anything valuable to say

18:31:23 mircea_popescu: sounds like a plan.

18:33:29 wywialm: speaking of a plan, does anything happen on the options market in BTC? in particular, does the (possibly otc) option market happen?

18:33:56 mircea_popescu: more or less.

18:34:11 mircea_popescu: it's not terribly open to the general public.

18:34:40 wywialm: i guess i'm the member of general public then...

18:35:40 wywialm: is there a way to change that status?

18:36:14 mircea_popescu: well, basically, if you have a lot of volume you advertise it and you'll find someone. if you don't... well... you don't.

18:37:22 wywialm: ah, the standard way

18:38:05 punkman: wywialm: you could use bitbet for some action

18:38:15 punkman: or that thing xinxi made

18:38:55 jurov: btcnut

18:39:11 jurov: or such

18:39:13 wywialm: isn't it only for binary trades? that appplies to bitbet as well

18:39:13 punkman: buttnut

18:39:56 punkman: ;;ticker

18:39:57 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 362.61, Best ask: 364.63, Bid-ask spread: 2.02000, Last trade: 364.66, 24 hour volume: 17852.87309723, 24 hour low: 358.0, 24 hour high: 386.32, 24 hour vwap: 370.329378879

18:40:13 wywialm: besides, it's financially settled which depends on the reliability of the exchanges

18:40:33 mircea_popescu: wywialm i supposew you could use the x.eur future ad interim

18:40:45 mircea_popescu: you can make an option out of a future and an underlying.

18:41:47 wywialm: option out of a future and underlying? could you explain futher?

18:42:05 asciilifeform: ;;later tell nubbins`: if you have a trimmed bitcoind, kindly post somewhere where i can find it, i'd like to test run.

18:42:05 gribble: The operation succeeded.

18:42:41 kakobrekla: not sure if that will work cause ':'

18:42:51 asciilifeform: ;;later tell nubbins` if you have a trimmed bitcoind, kindly post somewhere where i can find it, i'd like to test run.

18:42:51 gribble: The operation succeeded.

18:42:53 asciilifeform: kakobrekla ty

18:42:56 xanthyos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqC5Nvjybqc

18:42:56 assbot: Die Antwoord - Enter The Ninja (Acoustic Cover) - YouTube

18:44:00 mircea_popescu: wyrdmantis you understand synthetic positions ?

18:44:10 punkman: I left namecheap search open in a tab and it crashed my browser, because javascript is awesome

18:44:57 wywialm: mircea_popescu, quite well, but i don't see how can i use two linear instruments to obtain nonlinear payoff

18:45:22 mircea_popescu: well, you'll likely have to throw a bond in there somewhere.

18:45:25 wywialm: apart from dynamic hedging, where i could use only one

18:45:44 mircea_popescu: anyway, it's a "sort-of" type of thing, obviously.

18:47:06 kakobrekla: heh JS, i recall some sites killing a core2 quad machine

18:48:04 wywialm: mircea_popescu did you mean any static replication?

18:48:36 mircea_popescu: wywialm basically.

18:49:02 mircea_popescu: not sure you can actually get it to be static

18:49:12 mircea_popescu: really, it's a field that can take a lot more work, bitcoin financial synthesis.

18:51:17 wywialm: i could "sort-of-replicate" option payoff trading on a spot market, each day buying/selling according to the delta (the difference being transaction costs and interest rate and noncontinuity)

18:51:33 wywialm: but thats not static

18:51:50 wywialm: do i miss anything?

18:52:34 wywialm: (of course i should have a decent model to obtain reliable deltas)

18:53:39 wywialm: mircea_popescu - but that's not static. do i miss anything?

18:54:01 mircea_popescu: it wouldn't be exactly static, no.

18:54:34 wywialm: what is the exact multiplier of x.eur?

18:54:48 mircea_popescu: 1

18:57:37 wywialm: btw, do you know of any trade on btc realized volatility or realized variance?

18:58:19 mircea_popescu: i don't recall anything being publicly announced.

19:00:20 jurov: FabianB_: mpex.coinbr.com fixed

19:03:25 wywialm: mircea_popescu, did you consider calculating a stock index for MPEx?

19:03:43 mircea_popescu: on and off, yeah.

19:03:53 mircea_popescu: maybe moving the oix from the now gone options to stocks.

19:04:24 wywialm: what types of indices did you consider?

19:05:08 wywialm: the warsaw stock exchange begun with 5 stocks listed as well, and calculated the WIG

19:05:35 mircea_popescu: yeah, i know. anyway, nothing public about all that yet.

19:06:25 wywialm: if you were interested in my thoughts on it, i could throw my 2 cents

19:07:46 mircea_popescu: ty :)

19:08:34 undata: that vid of the 16 year old brat attacking his new truck has me in stitches

19:08:56 undata: coward wouldn't even go for a window, not that he could break one the way he was swinging

19:09:06 mircea_popescu: ^

19:09:41 mircea_popescu: it's really an excellent piece, that.

19:11:45 asciilifeform: that thing made me have emotions.

19:11:46 undata: wouldn't break a window; would swing for his dad. fascinating.

19:12:02 asciilifeform: specifically, wanting to see the idiot executed a la the 'bear jew' scene in 'inglorious bastards'

19:12:11 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why ?

19:12:11 asciilifeform: i.e. with baseball club.

19:12:26 asciilifeform: ruining a perfectly good truck

19:12:26 mircea_popescu: undata for his dad ?! are you kidding ?

19:12:40 mircea_popescu: i doubt the truck's all that good, looked like a guzzler.

19:12:45 asciilifeform: still.

19:12:51 bounce: http://www.mil-oss.org/

19:12:53 assbot: Home - Mil-OSS

19:12:59 undata: mircea_popescu: his dad backed off after one fake swing at him

19:13:05 undata: or whoever the fat fuck standing by was

19:13:15 mircea_popescu: that was his mom.

19:13:21 mircea_popescu: dad is skinny old guy with goatee

19:13:21 undata: haaa

19:13:48 undata: the guy in a black shirt going "you better not"

19:13:57 mircea_popescu: older bro ?

19:14:20 undata: probably 25, still living at home driving the mchummer

19:15:23 mircea_popescu: well, yes, but he got into whatever grad programme.

19:15:30 mircea_popescu: which 16 yo kids can't do, because highschool.

19:15:57 *: asciilifeform confesses he didn't have the audio plugged in

19:16:04 mircea_popescu: anyway, nothing wrong with all those kids living at that particular home, with their wives, girlfriends and offspring. it looks just about big enough.

19:16:05 asciilifeform: was it notable?

19:16:09 mircea_popescu: plenty wrong with them being this dumb tho

19:16:23 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform depends if you like male teenager whining or not.

19:16:28 *: asciilifeform does not

19:17:03 bounce: isn't that like a requirement for teenagers? whine, at least 50% of the time.

19:17:07 jurov: youtube comments say fake

19:17:09 undata: mircea_popescu: my folks live here -> http://www.thewoodlands.com/

19:17:10 assbot: The Woodlands - Texas' most celebrated master-planned community

19:17:19 undata: that family above could easily be residents

19:17:28 mircea_popescu: bounce it's god's cruel joke. jews take it even further with all the torah singing.

19:17:46 bounce: to get back at the almighty or something?

19:19:21 mircea_popescu: well i dunno, seems to humiliate the kids.

19:19:32 jurov: doomiiinuuus vooobiiiscuuum

19:19:51 mircea_popescu: jurov no they have this thing where they make 13yos sing in front of the whole congregation.

19:19:58 mircea_popescu: all serious and shit.

19:20:00 undata: these are precisely the americans I hope starve first when their bank accounts no longer work

19:20:09 mircea_popescu: undata why ?

19:20:37 undata: because they're conditioned to be utterly insecure about whatever they lack, at no matter what level of wealth

19:20:41 jurov: i'd rather listen to 13yos than old farts

19:20:42 asciilifeform: they'll starve last.

19:21:02 undata: they gorge themselves on cheap "wealth" instead of generating actual wealth for the 'society' they're a part of

19:21:04 mircea_popescu: jurov that may be a matter of taste :)

19:21:23 bounce: cheap knockoff society

19:21:24 mircea_popescu: undata what bizarro social justice stuff is this lol.

19:21:38 undata: mircea_popescu: it's hardly that.

19:21:49 bounce: consumerist socialism?

19:22:00 mircea_popescu: i'll take your word for it, but it kinda sounds it.

19:22:17 undata: the american idea that the highest good is "eat as much as possible" whether the thing eaten is food, cars, etc.

19:22:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14650 @ 0.00074011 = 10.8426 BTC [+]

19:22:35 mircea_popescu: how do you figure the people in the vid fit that theory ? they don't seem overweight.

19:22:38 asciilifeform: tell american about that he should generate wealth, and as likely as not, he'll fear being sent to uranium mines

19:23:16 asciilifeform: i'd fear the mines if someone decreed that i must now generate wealth

19:23:35 undata: asciilifeform: expressing a value is distinct from insisting it be imposed.

19:23:40 asciilifeform: i'm not sure i personally have ever held a day job which was a 'net gain for the motherland'

19:23:57 mircea_popescu: undata ok, but it's not very well expressed. what is the value ?

19:25:54 undata: mircea_popescu: why live if you're a cheap copy of the "rich" guy next to you. Life is about projects, not piling up Hummers. Wealth fuels projects.

19:26:10 asciilifeform: Wealth fuels projects <<<<<

19:26:32 asciilifeform: this. is precisely what i meant by 'i refuse to live as a rat'

19:26:45 mircea_popescu: i'm confused.

19:26:48 asciilifeform: if i can't afford projects, it isn't life.

19:27:00 mircea_popescu: but you can project anything.

19:27:03 The20YearIRCloud: I wouldn't say every american is driven by greed

19:27:04 punkman: well maybe I'd rather live around the guy that minds his own business, his business being his farm, rather than around guy that has neverending stream of "projects"

19:27:07 undata: I am also confused.

19:27:10 The20YearIRCloud: I know plenty that live self-less lives

19:27:13 undata: mircea_popescu: you seem to have many projects.

19:27:14 mircea_popescu: punkman i can see it.

19:27:25 asciilifeform: the particular species of projects i engage in. not sand castles out of cow shit in bangladesh.

19:27:32 asciilifeform: (though those may also be 'projects')

19:27:46 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well... how about "reengineer all of it"

19:27:54 asciilifeform: ?

19:28:01 mircea_popescu: all of IT*

19:28:15 asciilifeform: aha

19:28:16 undata: asciilifeform: how about "Life is about projects, and wealth should only be interesting inasmuch as it supports those endeavors."

19:28:27 *: asciilifeform fails to apprehend, with puny brain, how this can be done on rat budget

19:28:29 mircea_popescu: i mean, if your bar is that, then you'll never be happy. takes a lot of dough, that project.

19:28:45 mircea_popescu: undata how about "you don't get to say what should be interesting to other people" ?

19:29:00 undata: mircea_popescu: everyone says that to everyone with every sentence.

19:29:02 mircea_popescu: that's what triggered the "wtf sjw is this"

19:29:10 mircea_popescu: i dun agree.

19:29:47 asciilifeform: even the comparatively smaller undertaking i'm presently engaged in - still doesn't come cheap. (i speak of the tooling which i have not charged to the piggy, but also of the fact that i cannot convert btc to usd even for those portions where expenses invoiced. as previously recounted here.)

19:30:15 punkman: asciilifeform: assuming you asked them, how much did olimex quote for cardano assembly?

19:30:35 asciilifeform: asked 'golden phoenix'

19:30:52 undata: mircea_popescu: I would never force anyone to live a certain way (provided it didn't encroach on my own) but I think it's essential to discuss ways to improve the art of living.

19:30:57 asciilifeform: was obscene price tag, for given qty, and they wanted auto-kitting

19:31:15 mircea_popescu: undata well sure, but the problem with this is diogenes. you know the bath tub story ?

19:31:19 undata: I do not

19:31:25 mircea_popescu: but you know who he was ?

19:31:41 undata: greek cynic

19:31:45 undata: reading the story now

19:32:22 mircea_popescu: yeah, guy famously got caught jacking off in the forum (roughly equivalent to putting pron tumblr pix in the serious #b-a chan) and when confronted said that his only regret is that hunger doesn't also abate by rubbing the stomach.

19:32:36 The20YearIRCloud: ascii is this a business where btc was invested for tooling?

19:32:52 mircea_popescu: anyway, at some point the city was being attacked by the enemy, and so every citizen was running up and down trying to make themselves useful. to the "society", by which of course you mean polis.

19:33:03 The20YearIRCloud: Oh a good note about RentalStarter, our banking partner has really stepped up in terms of lending to us

19:33:09 mircea_popescu: and diogenes being woken up by all the ruckus, started pushing the tub he inhabited up and down and all around.

19:33:11 asciilifeform: The20YearIRCloud: to a very limited extent. (mircea_popescu insisted that i bill for the construction of the three-axis robotic platform for prototype assembly.)

19:33:13 mircea_popescu: helping too, you see.

19:33:43 asciilifeform: The20YearIRCloud: all pertinent info is to be found on his site, do read the monthly proclamations if interested in the subject

19:33:58 The20YearIRCloud: TBH i can't remember what project you're involved in

19:34:15 asciilifeform: The20YearIRCloud: s.nsa. first project is a small electronic device, 'cardano.'

19:34:20 undata: mircea_popescu: how does that describe what I've said, in your view?

19:34:49 asciilifeform: The20YearIRCloud: co-authored with mircea_popescu.

19:34:59 mircea_popescu: well, the problem with "discussing the art of living" is diogenes. as in, discussion requires common ground. which isn't a given.

19:35:30 undata: mircea_popescu: doesn't everyone presume his way of living best, or he'd do otherwise?

19:35:37 mircea_popescu: ask asciilifeform ?

19:35:57 mircea_popescu: "best" is a complex concept.

19:36:07 bounce: then I'll take bestest

19:36:38 asciilifeform: lol i was beginning to think that diogenes was mentioned precisely because my 'best' is as odd as his was.

19:36:39 mircea_popescu: but on anecdotic evidence, whether people believe that or don't is more of an indicator of whether the polis is on the upswing or downswing than anything personal.

19:37:01 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform except his is the exact opposite of odd. his best is even.

19:37:11 asciilifeform: ahaha

19:37:23 mircea_popescu: anyway, you;ll appreciate i didn't bring him up in the definition of "fuck you rich"

19:37:27 asciilifeform: doesn't everyone presume his way of living best, or he'd do otherwise << 'you go to war with the enemy you have, not the enemy you wish you had'

19:37:34 asciilifeform: lol

19:37:36 mircea_popescu: the point is still there, tho. fuck you rich is about fuck you, not about rich.

19:38:02 bounce: implying people wish to be fucked over?

19:38:20 kakobrekla: no

19:38:25 kakobrekla: thats why they dont live in the barrels

19:38:29 kakobrekla: for the most part

19:38:31 mircea_popescu: meyer lanski famously told some older street thoughs, as a 12 yo, "you get nuttin' for nuttin'". that's all it is. at 12 he's as rich as me telling the sec how to behave.

19:38:34 asciilifeform: ^ yes. just as freedom may or may not be about a hacksaw, depending on whether one is in prison, and of what material the prison is made (a pair of clippers may suffice for a savage rope cage, etc.)

19:39:02 asciilifeform: (re: 'about fuckyou not the rich')

19:39:04 undata: one minute god-kings; the next liberty

19:39:06 undata: haha

19:39:12 kakobrekla: people slave for not to slave

19:39:19 mircea_popescu: best slavery there is.

19:40:11 *: undata processes on that last bit for a moment

19:42:10 kakobrekla: anyway, the recipe is to say fuck you, go in the barrel and then if you like climb out of it while keeping the finger raised

19:43:20 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla the problem wih that approach is that it's literally indistinguishable from the tack of the 16yo kid in the video.

19:43:35 asciilifeform: here's a random example of what it costs to effectively think about problems in the physical sciences, without a Crown license.

19:43:37 undata: obviously someone thought it worth writing about the barrel or you wouldn't be saying so.

19:43:37 undata: *everything* is stated with the implicit underlying statement that the worldview in which the statement was made is true.

19:43:39 mircea_popescu: selfless sacrifice on the altar of satisfying the societal expectation.

19:43:47 asciilifeform: i have to pay several 100 usd / yrs. to access library.

19:44:03 asciilifeform: (the university kind, that idiot college fauna get into for free)

19:44:07 mircea_popescu: undata a worldview can not be true.

19:44:59 undata: another attempt: all statements are implicitly advocacy.

19:45:08 kakobrekla: mircea_popescu since when do appearances matter?

19:45:17 mircea_popescu: (i don't mean it never is, i mean the noun is outside the domain of availability of the adjective. like a circle can't be heavy, 2d figures have no weight)

19:45:33 bounce: "free" as in part of the crushing tuitition debt package deal

19:45:39 asciilifeform: well yes.

19:45:45 asciilifeform: rolled into that particular chumpatronic prize.

19:45:46 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla well that's the thing, they don';t.

19:45:58 kakobrekla: so is all good.

19:46:06 asciilifeform: or into benefit package of being a loyal servant of Crown 'scientocracy' (professional academics)

19:46:08 mircea_popescu: <undata> another attempt: all statements are implicitly advocacy. << only for the utilitarian/methodist/usretardian school of thought.

19:46:11 asciilifeform: if you're a civilian - you pay.

19:46:12 asciilifeform: and pay.

19:46:22 mircea_popescu: but otherwise this is what the existentialists used to call "petit burgeois"

19:46:36 bounce: a reasonable solution for "publish or perish" would be useful

19:47:01 mircea_popescu: bounce "no tax money spent on education" is a solution.

19:47:10 mircea_popescu: be rich or stfu and work, science is not for "the people".

19:47:21 asciilifeform: bounce: they used to at least let people into the libraries without membership (though could not check out books, or read - the now all - electronic - journals.) but the bums began to nest there.

19:47:28 bounce: bit of a cop out. can't we do better?

19:47:47 mircea_popescu: who's "we" ?

19:48:12 mircea_popescu: but no, we can't do better, because otherwise the fucking bums start nesting there.

19:48:19 asciilifeform: 'once there was The People, terror gave it birth... once there was The People, and it made a Hell of Earth...' (kipling?)

19:48:21 mircea_popescu: like, the sort of people churning out "science" about stuff.

19:48:24 asciilifeform: (:re we)

19:49:01 asciilifeform: i give the library tidbit as an example of what, in my mind, 'not living as rat' involves

19:49:22 undata: if only there were some way to cheaply stockpile and grant access to documents.

19:49:24 asciilifeform: for a human vegetable, who only needs to afford a hovel to eat, shit, and fuck in, and a tv screen - different cost.

19:49:29 bounce: thing is, I do want to filter the pool for the talent regardless of parental wealth

19:49:48 mircea_popescu: what is talent ?

19:50:07 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i think that cost may be more than a few hundies a year.

19:50:18 asciilifeform: that's library alone

19:50:20 The20YearIRCloud: asciilifeform: is it that way around the world? I know it is here - bums everywhere at the library

19:50:22 asciilifeform: (the figure above)

19:50:35 mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud amusingly, bums here mostly sleep in banks.

19:50:56 mircea_popescu: i kinda suspect where bums sleep is indicative of societal notions

19:50:56 kakobrekla: guard the safes yo

19:51:07 asciilifeform: The20YearIRCloud: library is heated in the winter, cool in the summer, no one hassles the poor bomzh to buy anything

19:51:18 asciilifeform: and quiet, very few people per square metre.

19:51:26 asciilifeform: usually, entire floors empty.

19:51:28 asciilifeform: so perfect.

19:51:46 mircea_popescu: i wonder how many social studies chicks fuck bums because they're bums.

19:51:51 mircea_popescu: 1 a year ? 100 ? 10000 ?

19:52:08 asciilifeform: freshly-minted bums (or well-kept hobos) likely.

19:52:16 undata: mircea_popescu: again, anyone speaking about anything intends for the listener to be influenced by the content.

19:52:19 asciilifeform: the kind that walked in the same suit for a decade - less plausible

19:52:22 undata: I can't see how it could be any other way.

19:52:33 mircea_popescu: well so you can't see.

19:52:39 mircea_popescu: ;;google gratuitous act

19:52:40 gribble: gratuitous - definition of gratuitous by The Free Dictionary: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/gratuitous; gratuitous legal definition of gratuitous: http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/gratuitous; www.andregide.org | Caves of the Vatican | Lafcadio's Adventures ...: http://www.andregide.org/studies/vatfow.html

19:52:51 mircea_popescu: lmao check that shit out, doesn't even exist in english.

19:53:07 mircea_popescu: ;;google acte gratuit

19:53:08 gribble: acte gratuit - Wiktionary: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/acte_gratuit; L'ACTE GRATUIT: http://actegratuit.tumblr.com/; Older posts - L'ACTE GRATUIT: http://actegratuit.tumblr.com/page/2

19:53:21 The20YearIRCloud: mircea_popescu: are banks over there open 24/7, or access to parts?

19:53:29 The20YearIRCloud: Around here they're on lockdown outside of normal business hours

19:53:40 mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud the atm parts.

19:53:51 undata: mircea_popescu: I think in english "gratuitous" means something far off from what you're aiming at.

19:53:53 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in english, usually 'crime of passion' ?

19:53:56 The20YearIRCloud: Your ATMs aren't outside?

19:54:05 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no dude, not at all.

19:54:14 undata: "uncalled for; lacking good reason; unwarranted."

19:54:19 mircea_popescu: "Un acte gratuit est le fait d'agir en dehors de toute raison, motivation ou incitation."

19:54:24 undata: and.. ain't that some shit.

19:54:35 mircea_popescu: "the fact of acting outside any reason or motivation"

19:54:46 undata: how could it be possible to act without motivation?

19:54:52 kakobrekla: also says it means 'free shit'

19:54:54 undata: it came from god, not me?

19:54:56 asciilifeform: banks 24/7 << story. where i live, you can walk into the vestibule of a bank (where the atm often lives, on 'bad streets') using a magnetic card. implication is that it must be the bank's - but this is false.

19:54:57 mircea_popescu: undata listen, go read le diable et le bon dieu, sartre.

19:54:58 asciilifeform: any card will do!

19:55:03 undata: mircea_popescu: k

19:55:13 asciilifeform: and often, sc4mz0rz patch into the reader, and plant bug there

19:55:21 asciilifeform: recording cc # day and night.

19:55:48 *: undata wonders if the translation will butcher it

19:56:17 mircea_popescu: aww that sucks.

19:56:46 asciilifeform: (for those wondering why it is so easy to sc4mz0r american magnetic cards, read log.)

19:57:09 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-02-2014#499334

19:57:09 assbot: Logged on 13-02-2014 01:00:26; asciilifeform: fact is, 'carding' could disappear overnight if the card issuers wished it. (even in countries with ubiquitous old-style magnetic readers. devices which present the correct magnetism, using one-time account #s, are trivial.)

19:57:11 asciilifeform: etc

19:57:44 kakobrekla: implication is that it must be the bank's < we also have such setups with but no such implication as atms are compatible over all banks

19:57:59 punkman: asciilifeform: seen same card activated doors in many places around eu

19:58:09 mircea_popescu: yeah no such implication.

19:58:44 asciilifeform: at any rate, just about any magnetic card with the right number of tracks (was it 3?) will open the gate.

19:59:06 FabianB: jurov: looks good now :)

19:59:58 nubbins`: asciilifeform will likely take a couple days

20:00:11 punkman: also bums love to sleep next to ATMs, and they all have some kind of card that will open the door

20:00:12 asciilifeform: nubbins`: what was your starting point again?

20:00:18 asciilifeform: nubbins`: i just want to test build chain

20:00:42 nubbins`: plan was to take stock 0.5.3, remove src/qt/* and attempt to build

20:00:53 nubbins`: and use that as a starting point

20:01:06 nubbins`: so you could use stock 0.5.3 to test

20:01:09 asciilifeform: what was the turd in 0.6 that made us stop short of it ?

20:01:34 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the whole thing was a debate over whether it should be earliest or latest that still works. apparently earliest won

20:01:39 asciilifeform: aha.

20:01:43 *: asciilifeform rereads log

20:02:02 *: mircea_popescu votes yesterday as "most likely to be reread"

20:02:04 mircea_popescu: it'

20:02:08 nubbins`: ah, nothing in particular, i don't think. merging bugfixes etc from 0.6 would be next i guess

20:02:08 asciilifeform: lol!

20:02:11 mircea_popescu: it's like "the hangover" in there.

20:02:59 asciilifeform: who has a known vintage tarball of 0.5.3 ?

20:03:22 asciilifeform: (as in, personally leeched as long ago as possible, and sat since)

20:03:34 asciilifeform: kindly post hash.

20:04:02 asciilifeform: best heroes - post signed hash.

20:04:20 nubbins`: heh

20:04:23 nubbins`: not i

20:04:30 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu?

20:04:57 mircea_popescu: mm ?

20:05:02 asciilifeform: vintage tarball ^

20:05:11 mircea_popescu: oh. i'll have to go through archives. be a while.

20:05:27 jurov: i arrived in 2012 and lost a hdd since :/

20:06:19 nubbins`: march 14 2012

20:07:01 jurov: http://sourceforge.net/projects/bitcoin/files/Obsolete/ huh what a scary message

20:07:03 assbot: Bitcoin - Browse /Obsolete at SourceForge.net

20:07:37 *: kakobrekla wont run bitcoind without the 'coin control' patch

20:08:59 mircea_popescu: jurov not to mention it's also untrue.

20:09:06 mircea_popescu: but hey, what's a little lying hurt anymore.

20:09:09 asciilifeform: 'obsolete' !?

20:09:16 asciilifeform: aha like 'truecrypt'.

20:09:27 jurov: 15033115709f0eb55674ebf5e79208bfb05a5745 bitcoin-0.5.3-linux.tar.gz << sha1 of the turd form there

20:09:40 asciilifeform: ty

20:09:51 asciilifeform: 'A visitor received this implanted, false message today, promoting the market of certificates of authority and encryption. HTTPS fetishists are trying to coerce us into using the crappy security gambit. Ignore HTTPS monotheists. Online security promises are hokum. This is admitted on sec discussion fora. Pushers of HTTPS, Tor, crypto, secure drops are David Blaines.' (cryptome.)

20:10:05 asciilifeform: ^ http://cryptome.org/https-ignore.jpg

20:10:31 mircea_popescu: aww, no "as mp said" ? sucks.

20:11:09 asciilifeform: http://cryptome.org/2014/10/bitcoin-tor-nope.pdf << sorry no clean version of this

20:11:22 asciilifeform: guide to bitcoin mitm for n00bz

20:19:04 asciilifeform: if anyone wants to post checksums for vintage dependencies from build-unix.txt, appreciated.

20:22:47 midnightmagic: coin control is unnecessary now, create/decode/sign raw transaction exists plus listunspent and listaddressgroupings

20:23:09 asciilifeform: hard disk is unnecessary, magnetized needles exist.

20:24:39 kakobrekla: exists < yeah in which version ?

20:25:06 midnightmagic: pretty easy to use them. I have a very tiny perl script that does the same thing..

20:25:16 kakobrekla: which version?

20:25:30 mircea_popescu: no he has a point, you can just make your own tx and forget the stock selection code

20:25:32 midnightmagic: mm.. dunno when they were introduced. it's been a while.

20:25:50 asciilifeform: make your own tx, with soviet calculator.

20:26:06 asciilifeform: people seem to forget why we even bought computers.

20:26:22 mircea_popescu: i didn't mean by hand yo

20:26:24 midnightmagic: I just don't trust the coin control nor tx selection to pull the most-private from the unspent list is all. It is a bit more work to make decisions about it though

20:27:05 kakobrekla: making your own tx is best way to go

20:27:16 kakobrekla: cc makes it easy

20:28:40 midnightmagic: not for privacy imo. but I guess it does make tx creation easy.

20:29:13 kakobrekla: well you control the privacy

20:30:48 kakobrekla: stock selection code < as shitty as it gets.

20:31:52 mircea_popescu: don't knock it, it's what they use to make hambuger meat.

20:35:06 *: asciilifeform forgot what a sack of shit classic bitcoind is, in terms of build deps

20:35:46 mircea_popescu: never 4get.

20:35:48 mats_cd03: http://cryptome.org/2014/10/bitcoin-tor-nope.pdf << heh heh. i once ran an exit node off AWS for a week, scooped 0.2 btc from a shmuck

20:38:19 asciilifeform: mats_cd03: the best idiots are the tor-miners.

20:38:31 asciilifeform: mats_cd03: how one would even arrive at the idea of miner connected through tor?

20:38:38 mats_cd03: decentralize!

20:38:50 mats_cd03: anonymous!

20:39:08 asciilifeform: not a single mainstream mineatron, afaik, does anything useful against even a very pedestrian ssl mitm.

20:39:20 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform as much as a new news site brings about ddos.

20:39:26 mircea_popescu: these are real problems derps are trying to solve.

20:39:42 asciilifeform: which problems?

20:39:57 mircea_popescu: not that safe to be a miner out there.

20:40:01 asciilifeform: ahaha

20:40:39 asciilifeform: sufficiently large miner can, presumably, afford $maxint worth of proxies or even fallback isp.

20:41:05 mircea_popescu: yeah, but tor miner is not sufficientl large.

20:41:06 asciilifeform: if the only enemy is ddos

20:41:52 mircea_popescu: you dunno what the enemy is until mats_cd03 steals your .2 btc

20:41:52 asciilifeform: at one point, chumpnet miners often went through tor

20:42:03 mats_cd03: ill be rich someday

20:42:18 mats_cd03: i will use that .2 btc to buy a ranch and a new stereo

20:42:38 asciilifeform: undeserved prize tastes ten times as good.

20:42:42 asciilifeform: or how did it go.

20:43:16 mats_cd03: i thought it was a peach?

20:43:36 bounce: millions of peaches/ peaches for free/

20:43:47 mats_cd03: anyway, on the subject of fruit

20:43:53 mats_cd03: i have discovered honey crisp apples

20:43:58 mats_cd03: and they are godly

20:44:04 bounce: so, better than oranges?

20:44:34 asciilifeform: miners << is there any actual reason why an arbitrarily large miner should not choose to appear as a large number of arbitrarily small ones, from the network standpoint ?

20:44:41 mats_cd03: better than the red delicious

20:44:48 mats_cd03: which is in fact not delicious, only red

20:44:50 asciilifeform: why is it even still possible to identify 'large miners' as existing.

20:45:23 mats_cd03: bad software?

20:45:37 nubbins`: wow, building bitcoin on osx is actually a bit tangly

20:46:02 nubbins`: mostly because of all this brew/macports gibberish

20:46:22 asciilifeform: nubbins` confronted with fact of having bought a fake unix box?

20:46:38 nubbins`: it's more unix than windows, at least ;p

20:46:47 asciilifeform: that's literally the only thing going for it.

20:46:50 asciilifeform: microshit-free.

20:46:57 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller here's one for you : what concert costs 45 cents ?

20:48:20 asciilifeform: ^ the busy signal in a u.s. pay phone (if you can still find one!) -- costs 0.50, and you'll find a 'nickel' in the coin return tray.

20:48:27 asciilifeform: 45 cents for concert.

20:48:55 kakobrekla: <asciilifeform> microshit-free. < id rather be apple free than ms free given only those 2 options. call me retarded or whatever dun care.

20:49:01 asciilifeform: lol!

20:49:07 asciilifeform: kakobrekla will voluntarily use winblows?

20:49:14 kakobrekla: no

20:49:17 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform really, it's 50cent feat nickleback

20:49:21 mircea_popescu: but anyway!

20:49:33 kakobrekla: asciilifeform >given only those 2 options

20:49:54 mircea_popescu: !up IHB_

20:50:12 mircea_popescu: i wonder what a windows tablet would be like.

20:50:21 asciilifeform: two closed turds, and you'll use the one with no shell, no posix, no modern build system?

20:50:40 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: windows tablet existed.

20:50:56 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you can perhaps guess what they were like, by the fact of having to ask the question

20:50:58 mircea_popescu: i never saw one

20:51:00 kakobrekla: just cant swallow apple. sry no can do.

20:51:26 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: you can almost pretend it's a 'sun' or other weird ancient unixlike

20:51:33 asciilifeform: esp. if you behead it and use a terminal.

20:51:47 joecool: just took delivery of a mbp and am attempting to resize it's cancer of an os to put anything on

20:51:51 joecool: yeah would do windows before this

20:51:54 kakobrekla: whats next, use phone and pretend its computer ?

20:52:11 joecool: chinese killed the thinkpad though

20:52:18 bounce: boo. hiss.

20:52:34 mircea_popescu: incidentally, can you format the ipad, run debian on it ?

20:52:47 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: debian - no idea. netbsd - almost certain.

20:53:00 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ask enthusiasts if there's any i/o support for it

20:53:02 mircea_popescu: touch drivers and errything ?

20:53:12 mircea_popescu: uhm, it has wireless neh ?

20:53:26 asciilifeform: well depends what you need it for

20:53:43 asciilifeform: if for perverse file server in a closet - yes, can do right now.

20:53:54 asciilifeform: if as a 'touch' gizmo - check first.

20:54:25 asciilifeform: also easier to do this with non-apple gizmos, where there is not an elaborate boobytrap chipset in there, to try to keep you from 'jailbreaking'

20:54:39 nubbins`: ^

20:55:29 mircea_popescu: so it's not basically a laptop board with a soldered over bios chip ?

20:55:45 asciilifeform: 'arm'-compatible.

20:56:25 asciilifeform: a few vendors (samsung, and others) make the reverse of this - 'arm' laptop.

20:56:48 mircea_popescu: aha

20:57:32 joecool: all sorts of weird "features" in OSX like, "stuck" processes

20:58:08 nubbins`: force quit kicks ass over whatever the fuck you do in windows again

20:58:11 bounce: stuck different from stuck processes on other unix?

20:59:01 mircea_popescu: nubbins` hadn't they implemented kill ?

20:59:12 joecool: it's different than zombie process in other nix

20:59:15 nubbins`: windows? who knows

20:59:18 joecool: can't do anything with it

20:59:45 mircea_popescu: ;;google kill process windows

20:59:45 gribble: XP: kill a Windows process from the command line with taskkill | a ...: http://www.tech-recipes.com/rx/446/xp_kill_windows_process_command_line_taskkill/; Really killing a process in Windows - Stack Overflow: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/49988/really-killing-a-process-in-windows; Taskkill - TechNet - Microsoft: http://technet.microsoft.com/en- (1 more message)

20:59:53 mircea_popescu: yeah they have

20:59:56 nubbins`: looky loo

21:01:24 nubbins`: !uq ninjashogun

21:01:30 nubbins`: shit, my p is backwards

21:01:42 nubbins`: ??? :/

21:01:45 mircea_popescu: !ub ninjashogun ?

21:01:49 *: nubbins` shrugs

21:01:52 nubbins`: !ud ninjashogun

21:01:54 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla you broke it.

21:02:02 nubbins`: not cool man

21:02:11 mircea_popescu: !gown nubbins`

21:02:13 nubbins`: how are we supposed to ub people

21:02:21 nubbins`: !pown mircea_popescu

21:02:45 nubbins`: NOTHING'S WORKING

21:02:52 nubbins`: ;;ficker

21:03:20 gribble: Error: "ficker" is not a valid command.

21:03:27 asciilifeform: unƃoɥsɐɾuıu dn¡

21:03:48 nubbins`: what is going on D:

21:04:00 mircea_popescu: so it turns out atheism is a non-prophet organisation.

21:04:26 nubbins`: http://instantrimshot.com/classic/?sound=rimshot

21:04:27 assbot: Welcome to Instant Rimshot

21:04:29 mircea_popescu: !up ninjashogun

21:04:35 mircea_popescu: shit man, you were doing it right! it's p

21:04:42 nubbins`: fuuuuuu

21:04:47 nubbins`: too late, man

21:04:54 nubbins`: :(

21:06:23 nubbins`: ʍou ƃuᴉʞɹoʍ s,ʇᴉ ǝqʎɐɯ

21:06:29 IHB_: thanks for the mircea. last time i was in here was when i living in bangalore. you just published your response to the SEC and it was great.

21:06:41 IHB_: *voice

21:07:46 nubbins`: w̢̤͖͓̹e̠ļ̯̟c̀o̥m̱͉̻̲̜e̛̳͚,̵͙̩̭̻̲̙͍ ͍͖̘͓̫̤̝n̮͙i̘̟̝n̳͔̺͚͡ͅj҉͖a̷̜͖s̢͚̭̪̭̝̪̣ḥ̞o̭̭̺̣g̛̳͖̟͚͚ụ͎͙ṉ̣̜͎̮

21:07:50 mircea_popescu: so where do you live now ?

21:07:58 nubbins`: wow

21:08:03 kakobrekla: nubbins` get a 'real' computer.

21:08:07 mircea_popescu: nubbins` did you do all that on an osx ?

21:08:16 nubbins`: :D

21:08:43 nubbins`: kakobrekla what, a dell?

21:09:32 asciilifeform: a Multivac.

21:09:50 kakobrekla: a vegetable. instead of fruit.

21:10:16 mircea_popescu: multivac'd have been a great vacuum cleanner brand

21:10:50 asciilifeform: 'nothing sucks like multivacs' ?

21:11:08 asciilifeform: ;;google nothing sucks like electrolux

21:11:09 gribble: Electrolux - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrolux; Brand blunder - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brand_blunder; VAX - Catb.org: http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/V/VAX.html

21:11:09 mircea_popescu: "if you stuff one vac, it's got more!"

21:21:54 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2014/what-do-you-call/

21:21:54 assbot: What do you call… pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

21:25:44 mircea_popescu: lmao these logs... nubbins` using cohen as an argument ?!

21:27:35 mthreat: What do you get when you cross a potato with a dildo?

21:27:52 mthreat: a dictator

21:28:44 mircea_popescu: lol

21:28:46 undata: mircea_popescu: the puns! THE PUNS!

21:28:55 ben_vulpes: <nubbins`> wow, building bitcoin on osx is actually a bit tangly << i for one gave up

21:28:55 undata: <3

21:29:01 mircea_popescu: my puny attempt!

21:29:20 mircea_popescu: undata we had limmerick day a few months ago too.

21:30:21 undata: I will have to read those logs.

21:32:39 ben_vulpes: oh god those jokes

21:32:45 BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2014/10/new-paper-bitcoin-over-tor-a-bad-idea-especially-bad-for-spv/

21:32:46 assbot: New Paper: Bitcoin over Tor a Bad Idea, Especially bad for SPV | Qntra.net

21:33:04 ben_vulpes: just what i need while watching this ftp dump scroll by

21:34:45 mircea_popescu: xinxi: one of them used to say: I would like to cry in a bmw instead of lauching on a bike. <<< that's a whole new dimension to the entire "fuck you rich" discussion.

21:34:52 mircea_popescu: apparently it's different by gender :D

21:36:14 BingoBoingo: Eh, bike's more likely to get stolen

21:37:37 BingoBoingo: !up IHB_

21:48:02 BingoBoingo: https://lkml.org/lkml/2014/10/23/151 << RE: USB turd

21:48:02 assbot: LKML: Greg KH: Re: [PATCH] usb: serial: Perform verification for FTDI FT232R devices

21:49:34 BingoBoingo: !up MosesEX

21:49:41 BingoBoingo: Hello MosesEX

21:49:47 MosesEX: BingoBoingo, whats up BingoBoingo

21:49:55 BingoBoingo: Oh not too much

21:50:00 MosesEX: any christians in here?

21:50:15 MosesEX: or jews or muslims?

21:50:31 kakobrekla: those were already stoned to death

21:50:39 MosesEX: homosexuals should be put to death

21:50:40 mircea_popescu: yeah we only got sluts and drunks left.

21:50:44 MosesEX: but obama supports homosexuals

21:50:58 kakobrekla: !down MosesEX

21:51:03 mircea_popescu: ;;ud obama

21:51:38 BingoBoingo: ;;ud obola

21:51:38 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Obama | An acronym standing for. One Big Ass Mistake, America! Q: What was the result of the 2008 election? A: OBAMA. by ferrgus February 23, 2009. 22182 13448.

21:51:45 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Obola | Oct 13, 2014 ... Obola. (noun) the result of a completely incompetent democratic administration that cares more about open borders with no enforcement of ...

21:53:44 mircea_popescu: i guess it's mitt romney's showbiz name.

21:55:53 BingoBoingo: !up MosesEX

21:56:13 MosesEX: YA

21:56:14 BingoBoingo: !down MosesEX

21:56:15 MosesEX: YAY

21:58:01 dignork: BingoBoingo: RE: USB turd - it was pbbly a joke, Russ Dill works for Texas Instruments

21:58:39 BingoBoingo: Ah, makes sense nao

22:04:13 kakobrekla: anyone want these atc i have ? maybe mpif takes em?

22:04:24 kakobrekla: bb?

22:04:59 BingoBoingo: WHy not? 1BuJThNvr31EwnLGiaAdQbYHCkBdJvgTQJ

22:06:25 kakobrekla: sent

22:44:10 jurov: http://chralash.wordpress.com/2014/10/23/proof-of-reserves-born-out-of-tragedy-will-slowly-become-the-global-gold-standard-for-financial-auditing/

22:44:11 assbot: “Proof of reserves,” born out of tragedy, will slowly become the global gold standard for financial auditing. « Real Virtual Currency

22:44:28 jurov: herp derp

22:44:54 jurov: !up punkman1

22:49:50 asciilifeform: https://marcan.st/transf/ftdi_evil.png

22:50:29 asciilifeform: ^ looks quite like 'ida' output, so symbol names presumably inferred by reverser

22:58:40 BingoBoingo: http://mobilesecurityares.blogspot.co.uk/2014/10/why-samsung-knox-isnt-really-fort-knox.html << NSA Phone

22:58:40 assbot: Mobile Security Blog: Why Samsung Knox isn't really a Fort Knox

22:58:53 asciilifeform: there's what, 17 of them now?

22:59:24 asciilifeform: 'all but the laziest man' are now making 'avoid 3v1l surv31l4nc3111!' turdicles.

23:01:43 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: No, this is the one NSA approves of for gubmint work

23:02:17 asciilifeform: which work.

23:02:34 asciilifeform: afaik the only 'top seekreet'-approved Pnohe is 'blackberry sektera' (sp?)

23:02:53 asciilifeform: aka obamaphone

23:03:18 asciilifeform: (or was it obamaberry?)

23:03:38 BingoBoingo: Well this is the new one they are proposing

23:03:42 BingoBoingo: By samsung

23:03:53 *: asciilifeform does not own one, but recalls seeing photos, there's a normal 'blackberry' and an nsa board sandwiched under the battery

23:04:27 BingoBoingo: I've owned normal blackberries. Pleasant paging device.

23:05:30 *: asciilifeform never understood the appeal of the microscopic trackball on those things

23:06:28 BingoBoingo: Skipped those after first one broke in hours. The tiny trackpad used as a micro trackball was very functional though

23:07:10 asciilifeform: https://twitter.com/JohnnySoftware/status/525092883125506048 << lulzies

23:07:11 assbot: /SwiftOnSecurity Windows Update busily bricking USB serial chips http://t.co/XkoNmNiCUH Maybe completely intentional. Microsoft-SWATed case?

23:07:47 asciilifeform: 'FTDI's own web site says their chips are used in medical...'

23:08:38 BingoBoingo: Ah

23:09:08 *: asciilifeform is hoping that this kind of thing will become an everyday event

23:09:11 asciilifeform: run moar winblows.

23:11:15 kakobrekla: choke on your fruit.

23:11:31 asciilifeform: which fruit

23:12:00 kakobrekla: thats what you already said for python

23:12:04 asciilifeform: lol

23:12:34 *: asciilifeform just got back from fruit&veggie market, got a number of possible things to choke on, that were still in season

23:14:55 kakobrekla: apples will do.

23:16:27 BingoBoingo: http://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond/archive/the-washing-up

23:16:27 assbot: Everybody loves Eric Raymond » The washing up

23:18:31 jurov: one click and i ended up on http://www.schneierfacts.com/

23:18:31 assbot: Bruce Schneier Facts

23:20:14 jurov: http://www.schneierfacts.com/facts/1341 << exactly what i wanted

23:20:14 assbot: Bruce Schneier Facts

23:20:53 jurov: (if anyone did not read my rant yet: http://explo.yt/post/2014/02/26/Bruce-Schneier-passwords-fail )

23:20:53 assbot: Bruce Schneier passwords fail - serialized delusions

23:23:02 BingoBoingo: http://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond/archive/the-redhat-package-mangler

23:23:02 assbot: Everybody loves Eric Raymond » The RedHat Package Mangler

23:24:59 midnightmagic: "It's about the same likelihood as that you would get spontaneously quantum teleported by tunnelling through solid wall, that's why such things just don't happen." <-- this is incorrect

23:25:44 jurov: yes?

23:25:45 pete_dushenski: first things first: http://www.contravex.com/2014/10/23/the-trade-offs-of-feminism/

23:25:46 assbot: The Trade-Offs of Feminism | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski

23:25:53 pete_dushenski: now, logs!

23:28:25 jurov: rly? masculinity as a measurable natural resource?

23:28:41 artifexd: kakobrekla: If you find a way to get the mbp to not sound like it's overheating while using a non-mac os, I'd love to hear about it.

23:28:54 pete_dushenski: jurov lol tis a theory.

23:29:30 kakobrekla: artifexd never had, never will have any apple products.

23:29:55 nubbins`: kako uses alienware only

23:30:06 artifexd: I thought I just read that you got a mbp...

23:30:24 jurov: no, we use lenovo - it means slovenky in somalian

23:30:30 jurov: *slovenly

23:30:34 artifexd: Ah no. That was joecool. Same color as you.

23:31:02 kakobrekla: colors, the root of all evil.

23:36:56 BingoBoingo: <artifexd> kakobrekla: If you find a way to get the mbp to not sound like it's overheating while using a non-mac os, I'd love to hear about it. << apmd -C

23:37:44 jurov: or soundproof foam?

23:38:28 kakobrekla: or just turn it off

23:40:38 artifexd: I don't see a -C option

23:41:34 BingoBoingo: http://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond/archive/linux-doomsday

23:41:34 assbot: Everybody loves Eric Raymond » Linux doomsday

23:42:13 pete_dushenski: ^must be the same raymond from that fraudsters comment. everyone loved him too!

23:42:16 BingoBoingo: artifexd: Which non-OS X OS are you running?

23:42:28 asciilifeform: http://www.novate.ru/blogs/121014/28088 << 'kegelcizer' from 'futurama' now actual.

23:42:29 assbot: - KGoal, | |

23:42:50 artifexd: I'm looking at centos right now.

23:42:56 jurov: http://i.imgur.com/iXsZdHh.jpg?1 << kakobrekla

23:43:18 artifexd: I haven't settled on a distro yet though.

23:43:29 kakobrekla: heh

23:44:11 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform> http://www.novate.ru/blogs/121014/28088 << 'kegelcizer' from 'futurama' now actual. << WOnderful

23:44:12 assbot: - KGoal, | |

23:47:31 kakobrekla: ;;google kegel kickstarter

23:47:32 gribble: kGoal Smart Kegel Trainer by Minna Life — Kickstarter: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/892018590/kgoal-smart-kegel-trainer; Skea - Smart Kegel Exercise Aid by Linkcube Studio — Kickstarter: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2091647642/skea-smart-kegel-exercise-aid; The Kegel Bear by Natalie Bayne — Kickstarter: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/871901583/the- (1 more message)

23:48:10 asciilifeform: sc4m4tr0nix?

23:48:43 asciilifeform: though i'm told that once in a while, when the planets align, an actual product is made on 'kickstarter'

23:49:23 kakobrekla: dunno not the vagina expert and lampelina is in bed.

23:49:48 asciilifeform: best expert.

23:50:26 asciilifeform: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/871901583/the-kegel-bear

23:50:27 assbot: The Kegel Bear by Natalie Bayne — Kickstarter

23:51:18 BingoBoingo: http://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond/archive/letters-of-support

23:51:19 assbot: Everybody loves Eric Raymond » Letters of support

23:52:10 asciilifeform: http://www.businessinsider.com/potential-nyc-ebola-patient-took-an-uber-2014-10

23:52:10 assbot: Potential NYC Ebola Patient Took An Uber - Business Insider

23:52:28 asciilifeform: ubola.

23:55:24 BingoBoingo: Only missing A, I and Y

23:55:47 BingoBoingo: !up MosesEX

23:55:50 MosesEX: yay

23:55:52 asciilifeform: iBola ?

23:55:53 MosesEX: hello everyone

23:55:54 BingoBoingo: MosesEX: What are your thoughts on Obola

23:56:05 MosesEX: BingoBoingo, ebola? its overreacted

23:56:05 BingoBoingo: ;;ud ibola

23:56:06 gribble: Google found nothing.

23:56:09 MosesEX: yet it might spread

23:56:23 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: iBola isn't a thing yet. Maybe next month?

23:56:26 MosesEX: those who die from ebola is because they were ordained to die from it

23:56:53 BingoBoingo: MosesEX: Ordanation doesn't count when ebama does it

23:57:04 MosesEX: obama is destroying this country

23:57:08 MosesEX: we need republicans

23:57:10 MosesEX: not demoncrats

23:57:55 MosesEX: hi everyone!

23:58:14 BingoBoingo: MosesEX: They both suck.

23:58:48 BingoBoingo: MosesEX: You said you had questions. Ask or you get the !down again.

23:58:56 MosesEX: ys

23:58:58 MosesEX: yes

23:59:05 MosesEX: does the irc hate bitcoin?

23:59:08 MosesEX: why or why not

23:59:14 MosesEX: i mean irs

23:59:38 MosesEX: does the irc hate bitcoin yes or no

23:59:55 MosesEX: god dammit