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Transcript for 23-11-2015, 373 lines:

00:02:32 mircea_popescu: meh i can't find the happy dancing mantises. a well.

00:02:40 mircea_popescu: anyway, what was in your copy, asciilifeform ?

00:02:57 asciilifeform: well i have an english transl. lying around

00:03:28 asciilifeform: perhaps will warez it once find my tripod and have a free shiva hand.

00:03:57 mircea_popescu: notrly the point is it ?

00:04:01 pete_dushenski: http://ashleys.co/image/133719961267

00:04:02 assbot: wtf ily : Photo ... ( http://bit.ly/1MLDaC4 )

00:04:10 asciilifeform: it's a short & very lulzy yarn and none of the psychiatric weird mircea_popescu mentioned was in it...

00:04:28 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: wut

00:04:30 mircea_popescu: wait, is it actually a different story ? ie, not with these ?

00:04:54 asciilifeform: well, there was praying mantis involved

00:05:41 punkman: http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/10/02/1412244775608_wps_21_Dancing_mantises_Two_pray.jpg

00:05:41 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1MLDoZO )

00:05:51 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: the result of training idjits that their words are the most important thing and that yelling 'rape' makes the 'rapist' stop voluntarily if not arrested by the police

00:07:45 pete_dushenski: also, does anyone have a suggestion for viewing/using the tumblr dashboard that doesn't involve this latest invasion of spamz. every second fucking post is some derpy 'trending' meme that completely kills teh mood !

00:08:04 *: asciilifeform doesn't have useful suggestions for viewing arsebook either

00:08:08 asciilifeform: or 'myspace', etc.

00:08:13 asciilifeform: why even.

00:08:30 mircea_popescu: punkman similar but no

00:08:31 pete_dushenski: because pr0nz

00:08:40 asciilifeform: the tards helpfully segregated themselves, why dig'em back up ?

00:08:53 punkman: asciilifeform: there is porn

00:09:22 asciilifeform: 'this is a mousetrap.' 'bbbbutt there's cheeze!!11'

00:10:25 punkman: also describes computer

00:10:28 pete_dushenski: mousetrap grew up from nowhere seriously in last month. before that, fine.

00:17:12 punkman: http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2013/3/12/1363096281744/18c47e23-73f4-4267-a10f-aa64e0dcef20-620x372.jpeg

00:17:12 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1N73ryh )

00:19:32 punkman: for BingoBoingo https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BsnrMIRCIAEloK6.jpg

00:19:33 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1N73Lx2 )

00:21:27 trinque: oh dear.

00:26:21 funkenstein_: lol we can file that cheese girl under "white are better" right?

00:26:52 kakobrekla: that is not eve cheese

00:26:56 kakobrekla: even*

00:27:26 kakobrekla: 5% cheese, 95% plastic

00:29:40 funkenstein_: well kako, at least labelled with only 26 characters like my fantasy of divine imagery

00:30:13 pete_dushenski: tripleslash: fix your connection wouldja

00:52:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96800 @ 0.00052051 = 50.3854 BTC [-] {4}

01:18:00 punkman: http://cdn.static-economist.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/original-size/images/print-edition/20151121_WBC554.png

01:18:01 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1NKACUP )

01:23:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23832 @ 0.00052109 = 12.4186 BTC [+] {2}

01:23:59 pete_dushenski: ^that bar graph will be even lulzier in 50 years when those 'tech giants' 'go kodak'

01:26:03 kakobrekla: as it stands now, all ''german manufacturers' are using 'us tech' and no 'us tech firm' is using a 'german manufacturer'

01:26:47 kakobrekla: rounding errors are possible.

01:28:03 pete_dushenski: perhaps microshit notwithstanding, use != depend upon

01:28:30 pete_dushenski: there are ready replacements for apple, google, amazon, and facebook

01:28:58 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski found a replacement for apple ?!!

01:29:00 asciilifeform: pray tell ?

01:29:12 asciilifeform: is it a broomstick ?

01:29:46 pete_dushenski: this is from the perspective of 'deutschland manufaktur', recall

01:30:11 pete_dushenski: wtf does volkswagen need crapple for exactly ?

01:31:10 asciilifeform: if they were to attempt abandoning microshit - would be just as dependent on crapple.

01:31:24 asciilifeform: failing this, poettering.

01:31:33 kakobrekla: desktops for designing (with ps) and selling the outcome with ipads

01:31:40 pete_dushenski: yes, poettering, the 'us tech giant'

01:32:01 asciilifeform: omitting the x86 duopoly ?

01:32:12 asciilifeform: (soon to be intel monopoly)

01:32:25 pete_dushenski: we agree this is unlikely

01:39:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8500 @ 0.00051665 = 4.3915 BTC [-] {2}

01:41:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48726 @ 0.00051665 = 25.1743 BTC [-] {2}

02:15:44 mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> 5% cheese, 95% plastic << word.

02:15:48 mircea_popescu: fucking bs.

02:18:02 mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> as it stands now, all ''german manufacturers' are using 'us tech' and no 'us tech firm' is using a 'german manufacturer' << you ever looked in the parking lot of these "tech giants" ?

02:18:27 mircea_popescu: not that many consumer choice 1983 lebarons out there.

02:18:43 kakobrekla: teslas or whatever 20 liter trucks?

02:18:53 kakobrekla: any remaining vw will get called off anyway

02:19:00 mircea_popescu: bout half euro imports. the rest japanese.

02:19:13 mircea_popescu: you can't drive a truck and be in tech, it's like being an efette wwf fan

02:19:14 asciilifeform: 'tesla' is about as common as ferrari here.

02:19:32 mircea_popescu: you live with the bureaucrats not the technocrats alf.

02:20:33 mircea_popescu: anyway. v is for victory : http://41.media.tumblr.com/b8e2ec1effb6fd13da3882c99c832046/tumblr_meugfbluub1riedhko1_1280.jpg

02:20:34 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1LuM7Oh )

02:20:37 kakobrekla: so i google 'google parking lot' and get 'Google employee lives in a truck in the parking lot ' as first hit.

02:21:30 mircea_popescu: why don't you daimler google parking lot instead!

02:22:40 asciilifeform: !b 2

02:22:41 assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2X5CAWK.txt )

02:22:53 asciilifeform: l0l!

02:22:57 asciilifeform: i had these mousetraps.

02:25:33 kakobrekla: to be clear, by truck i mean the SUVs

02:25:43 kakobrekla: i thought rednecks drive that

02:26:58 mircea_popescu: yeah but redneck country is socal/burbank/bakersfield

02:27:25 mircea_popescu: whereas foogle/gashbook/bapple/etc are more like sf/bay area/fauntleroyland

02:27:45 kakobrekla: hm, ok.

02:27:56 *: asciilifeform turned down a gig there not long ago

02:28:17 mircea_popescu: bakersfield ?

02:28:27 asciilifeform: sfbay

02:28:41 asciilifeform: 'tis cursed by the gods.

02:28:58 mircea_popescu: not more than shittington

02:29:13 asciilifeform: more.

02:29:25 asciilifeform: costs literally 5x per sq. metre vs here.

02:29:38 *: asciilifeform actually did the homework, even

02:29:49 mircea_popescu: what is it these days ?

02:29:51 asciilifeform: and they don't pay 5x.

02:29:53 punkman: but you could live on parking lot

02:30:00 mircea_popescu: you could couchsurf!

02:30:16 mircea_popescu: MAKE A NAME FOR YOURSELF!

02:30:50 asciilifeform: asked a phriend, he (with horrified face) said, 'people live differently in those parts. no one has a flat to himself, it's for extroverts, they pack'em 5+ in, they hang out in bars after the bell and only go home to sleep'

02:31:30 mircea_popescu: heh

02:31:43 mircea_popescu: extroverts my foot

02:31:51 mircea_popescu: i do not know one single sf extrovert.

02:31:57 phf: sf is nicer then dc though, they got a giant park with a view, and food is much better. (actual japanese and mexican foods)

02:32:01 mircea_popescu: it's all shellshocked/ptss mousy schmucks

02:32:06 phf: *than

02:32:13 asciilifeform: this is like asking if a man sitting on a stake is a catamite.

02:32:18 asciilifeform: from a certain pov - yes.

02:32:20 mircea_popescu: dude get the fuck out, missouri has a park with a view.

02:32:26 mircea_popescu: the whole fucking state.

02:33:43 phf: true, to be fair, anywhere is nicer then dc. i thought ascii was overly dramatic, but damn is this place bad.

02:33:49 hanbot: sf was great 15 yrs ago ;/

02:34:34 mircea_popescu: why, cuz you were 16 ?

02:34:51 mircea_popescu: in house, bath and beyond news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/0a878994458181568604a97a6bd98726/tumblr_mer4e1Z66U1riedhko1_1280.jpg

02:34:51 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1kP8FEu )

02:35:26 asciilifeform: 'great' means, without exception, that there is no meat within 40m of my chair that i didn't put there.

02:35:39 hanbot: well, it had good air. the panhandlers were entertaining. i was 16.

02:36:29 mircea_popescu: http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/lifestyle/2013/11/01/next-steve-jobs-is-12-year-old-mexican-girl-wired-magazine-says/ << reading "the press" sixteen to thrity months later has some remarkable advantages.

02:36:32 assbot: The Next Steve Jobs Is A 12-Year-Old Mexican Girl, Wired Magazine Says | Fox News Latino ... ( http://bit.ly/1kP8NUw )

02:36:34 mircea_popescu: for one thing - they aren't EVER right.

02:36:43 mircea_popescu: not like, 50-50 duds, like anyone throwing darts.

02:36:48 mircea_popescu: no, these schmucks manage to always be wrong.

02:38:08 mircea_popescu: everything in the us was much better in the 90s. buffett-style "i believe in america" merely sounded overoptimistic, hadn't yet caught this greenish hue of past-ridiculous senility like something found in a fridge on the side of a demolishing yard.

02:38:20 mircea_popescu: they made movies about how hey, "america gotta shape up soon".

02:38:21 mircea_popescu: yeah. right.

02:39:38 asciilifeform: hanbot: i bet it's perfectly livable at 500+k/y

02:39:41 asciilifeform: in sf.

02:39:54 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2015/fuck-you-and-your-stupid-epub-also-david-thornes-2nd-book-it-isnt-really-very-good/#selection-5421.0-5421.76 << thorne mocking the shit out of wired/steven hartleck is pretty entertainment

02:39:55 assbot: Fuck you and your stupid epub. Also, David Thorne's 2nd book (it isn't really very good). on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LuN21d )

02:39:55 asciilifeform: or if you're an ant.

02:40:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14776 @ 0.00051086 = 7.5485 BTC [-]

02:40:31 mircea_popescu: if you're going to throw half a million a year on living expenses why the fuck would you not just rent a raj palace in india and install human powered ac.

02:41:11 phf: ben_vulpes: just to clarify, literal translation would be that i can talk without censoring myself. but mp explained the actual meaning, that i'm not quite sure how to put in words better. it's something like, can talk on point, without revisions on account of this or that.

02:41:23 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: just so

02:42:38 asciilifeform: antarctica would also weigh something like 500 but for different reasons

02:42:48 asciilifeform: point was what it takes to make a particular godforsaken shithole livable.

02:43:17 hanbot: asciilifeform by now, i dunno. old friend is about there, relegated to san jose armpit, and last i checked the only thing in his house was a box of cheezeits.

02:43:17 mircea_popescu: actually most of siberia/alaska are pretty much rent free and from what i hear rather enjoyable.

02:43:20 mircea_popescu: for the man with the skills, of course.

02:43:59 asciilifeform: if you like your electron microscope made from bear skin and powered by seal fat - then yes!

02:46:04 mircea_popescu: my problem is more in line with "nobody's gonna fucking shave her snatch at 30 below", but yeah.

02:48:29 mircea_popescu: in other news, a "368 page book" reads in a coupla hours, and consists of 90% recycled website material + some letters from weird.

02:48:44 mircea_popescu: "new york times best seller list" items are radically not worth cutting down the trees.

02:49:22 asciilifeform: wai wut

02:49:26 asciilifeform: that turd was 'best seller' ?!

02:49:40 punkman: the previous book was

02:49:44 mircea_popescu: the epub thing

02:50:02 mircea_popescu: and for that matter wgat's his name, the guy with short fingers that quit duke lawschool ?

02:50:04 asciilifeform: speaking of alaska/siberia/etc, i hear ru now has a 'homestead act'

02:50:11 mircea_popescu: then made a horrible movie

02:50:17 punkman: tucker max

02:50:22 mircea_popescu: ;;google the guy with short fingers that quit duke lawschool and made a horrible movie

02:50:22 gribble: Full text of "I Hope They Serve Beer In Hell" - Internet Archive: https://archive.org/stream/IHopeTheyServeBeerInHell/TuckerMax-IHopeTheyServeBeerInHellebook-OcrPdf_djvu.txt; The Now Infamous Charity Auction Debacle « TuckerMax.com: http://tuckermax.com/stories/the-now-infamous-charity-auction-debacle/; A Man for All Seasons (1966) - Quotes - IMDb: (1 more message)

02:50:22 asciilifeform: they're handing out 1hectar/man, with the proviso that it cannot be sold

02:50:24 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> dude get the fuck out, missouri has a park with a view. << Truefax. There's even a tiny tram you can ride to the top of the Arch for more view

02:50:31 mircea_popescu: check out google on the ball!

02:50:41 punkman: wow

02:51:08 hanbot: ahaha

02:51:22 mircea_popescu: apparently my native oop is intuitively alligned with google sql

02:51:25 mircea_popescu: BEAT THAT!

02:51:32 BingoBoingo: ;;google Times Beach

02:51:33 gribble: Times Beach, Missouri - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Times_Beach,_Missouri; Ill Fated Times Beach, Missouri - Legends of America: http://www.legendsofamerica.com/mo-timesbeach.html; S/R 7-8: The Times Beach Story (Marilyn Leistner): http://www.greens.org/s-r/078/07-09.html

02:51:37 BingoBoingo: ^ also a park nao

02:51:55 asciilifeform: https://www.rt.com/politics/224099-russia-land-free-east << it, i think

02:51:56 assbot: Homestead Act for Russian Far East – Putin supports free land handout — RT Russian politics ... ( http://bit.ly/1kP9MUS )

02:52:03 mircea_popescu: aha.

02:52:15 mircea_popescu: been like that forever. also iirc alaska still has homestead here and there.

02:52:49 punkman: from the cellar department: Suntory Yamazaki 12yo, seriously smooth https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/3a/db/10/3adb107d83b463eb1ac96e792b5eeb77.jpg

02:52:50 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1kP9Rb1 )

02:52:58 asciilifeform: folks who enjoy blowing the permafrost with ammonal to dig latrine - know where to do.

02:53:03 asciilifeform: to go.

02:53:19 mircea_popescu: o ffs. japanese whiskey ?

02:53:24 asciilifeform: l0l!

02:53:29 mircea_popescu: why.

02:53:39 asciilifeform: what next, french seppuku ?

02:53:43 asciilifeform: german bukkake ?

02:53:48 mircea_popescu: i guess we should be thankful grain at least grew in that shitty island.

02:53:49 punkman: because jp otaku

02:53:55 mircea_popescu: otherwise it'd be "WOOD ALCOHOL!!!11" all over.

02:55:47 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> o ffs. japanese whiskey ? << I knew I picked a good time to try sobriety

02:56:08 punkman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2UHiXwfnvk

02:56:09 assbot: Sean Connery , Suntory Crest, before the meeting commercial - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1LuO7pU )

02:57:13 *: BingoBoingo is convinced real whiskey is only made by people with pickup trucks or tartans

02:58:16 phf: men whisky(tm)(r)

02:58:44 mircea_popescu: isn't ammonal about on par with black powder, in the sense that if it gets wet you can go salt your food with it ?

03:00:05 asciilifeform: tell this to gulag

03:00:16 asciilifeform: (quite possibly true, i have not used it personally)

03:05:03 punkman: well, I'm no malt connoisseur but I'd put it right next to similarly-priced scottish bottles

03:11:27 BingoBoingo: Scotch is "warm-up" whiskey to get the palate primed for rye whiskey followed by all of the cheap bourbon

03:12:14 punkman: saw a bottle of this in my travels, lol'd https://365oranges.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/ron-de-jeremy.jpg

03:12:15 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1LuP4hP )

03:17:44 BingoBoingo: http://www.seriouseats.com/images/20110218oldcrowstory.jpg << The good stuff

03:17:45 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1kPbHIN )

03:19:18 BingoBoingo: "Hear hear. When you buy Old Crow, you know what you're getting. Old Crow is not a night on the town with a beautiful young debutante. Old Crow is not a conversation with a craggy and learned professor. Old Crow is half an hour in a motel room with a fifty year-old prostitute who maybe doesn't look like much but still gets the job done, dammit, and sometimes that's all you want. Sometimes that's exactly what you want."

03:22:00 BingoBoingo: From another review: "It smells very heavily of alcohol first off, but the taste is surprisingly sweet, like candy corn and pears (but mostly bourbon:)... It is my go-to whisky, and being a Kentuckian of discerning taste, I'd like to think that says something towards it's character. Two of Ulysses S. Grant's fellow Generals were said to have complained to Lincoln personally of Grant's drunkenness and it's detriment in the line of

03:22:00 BingoBoingo: duty. Of this, Lincoln famously wrote back, saying: "By the way, gentlemen, can either of you tell me where General Grant procures his whiskey?""

03:22:16 phf: "came home last night full'a fifth of old crow

03:24:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63850 @ 0.00051064 = 32.6044 BTC [-] {3}

03:27:24 mircea_popescu: munca si lumina! http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lhxrh6pprt1qbujxso1_1280.jpg

03:27:26 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1kPcoSD )

03:27:41 BingoBoingo: lol

03:28:03 asciilifeform: wut

03:29:19 asciilifeform: wazzis, abortion pr0n ?

03:29:23 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform recall the old dinamo flashlights ?

03:29:33 asciilifeform: aha!

03:29:40 asciilifeform: cunt-actuated ?

03:29:41 mircea_popescu: in romanian - work&light.

03:29:44 *: asciilifeform takes off hat

03:29:46 mircea_popescu: we can presume.

03:29:58 mircea_popescu: cuntactuation.

03:30:04 asciilifeform: mm

03:30:11 mircea_popescu: like that famous roman general, cuntactor.

03:32:05 deedbot-: [fraudsters] Gunnery Sargeant Dop, or - The Renaissance Man - http://fraudsters.com/2015/gunnery-sargeant-dop-or-the-renaissance-man/

03:32:57 asciilifeform: spiffy pet in pic

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04:42:53 oglafbot: http://oglaf.com/throne-heaven/

04:42:54 assbot: throne of heaven ... ( http://bit.ly/1MwMCvf )

04:55:07 danielpbarron: http://www.atruechurch.info/throne.html

04:55:08 assbot: A True Church - The Throne, Heaven, and the Kingdom Are God. ... ( http://bit.ly/1MwNkbQ )

05:00:41 punkman: http://creativity-online.com/work/louis-xiii-100-years-official-trailer/44365

05:00:42 assbot: This John Malkovich Movie Won't Be Seen for a Hundred Years - Video - Creativity Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1MwNJuW )

05:03:29 BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: In truth Brodin, the All Spotter and bringer of the Whey does no have a throne. He does though have a squat rack and a bench.

05:12:45 ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-11-2015#1329975 << this was almost a thing, but then sane heads prevailed and the innards were never coated against water penetration so that the phones would still break when dropped onto damp pants

05:12:45 assbot: Logged on 22-11-2015 23:21:54; asciilifeform: i'm kinda surprised they didn't fill the thing with glue and be done with it

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05:41:21 mircea_popescu: !up pathog

05:44:23 mircea_popescu: meanwhile in japan, http://36.media.tumblr.com/a3e7a65b085916892bbee2e3458b3689/tumblr_mfn09hhjR81ql6862o1_1280.jpg

05:44:24 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1N7Ly2y )

05:44:29 mircea_popescu: good thing they pixelated.

06:02:14 punkman: https://www.quora.com/What-is-a-coders-worst-nightmare/answer/Mick-Stute?srid=RBKZ&share=1

06:02:16 assbot: Mick Stute's answer to What is a coder's worst nightmare? - Quora ... ( http://bit.ly/1N7Nnwf )

06:04:23 mircea_popescu: who's that ?

06:04:56 mircea_popescu: (i'm not asking emptily. i know he's nobody, because i don't know who the fuck he is. i googled, and the only hit is a 2014 article in which forbes is pushing the same name on the same topic. so really, worse than nobody. so then ?)

06:05:44 mircea_popescu: could be "Mr. Michael Stute Co-founded Global DataGuard, Inc., in 2000 and serves as its Chief Technology Officer. Mr. Stute has over 13 years of experience in IT", in which case...

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13:23:23 mircea_popescu: o look at that, macri won.

13:23:45 *: mircea_popescu is looking forward to hearing just how badly mismanaged the country was and just how much hay mas futuro is really left in the vaults.

13:24:32 mircea_popescu: the independent currency jumped 10% or so.

13:24:51 mircea_popescu: and, of course, dollar confiscation is coming. http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1847654-el-banco-central-busca-apropiarse-de-los-dolares-que-mantienen-los-bancos

13:24:52 assbot: El Banco Central busca apropiarse de los dólares que mantienen los bancos - 21.11.2015 - LA NACION  ... ( http://bit.ly/1OnKztY )

13:25:07 mircea_popescu: http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1847525-por-la-dolarizacion-electoral-salieron-us-8000-millones-de-las-reservas

13:25:09 assbot: Por la dolarización electoral, salieron US$ 8000 millones de las reservas - 21.11.2015 - LA NACION  ... ( http://bit.ly/1OnKypT )

13:25:17 mircea_popescu: gifts to the poor cost ~8bn, still lost.

13:25:33 mircea_popescu: if only they could spend 10 trn like president bahamas, they might've won.

13:26:54 mircea_popescu: "De esta manera, liquid? US$ 560 en la semana y lleva vendidos US$ 1750 millones en lo que va del mes. As?, el proceso electoral presidencial, tomando el lapso que va desde las dos semanas previas a las PASO hasta ayer y el prop?sito de mantener el status quo cambiario (aunque no sea sustentable), insumi? US$ 8015 millones de las reservas."

13:27:06 mircea_popescu: mthreat ^ there, have a lolz.

13:27:20 mircea_popescu: "Se trata de una suma equivalente a un tercio de las reservas brutas que declara el ente monetario que conduce Alejandro Vanoli o al total de lo neto propio que ten?a (los analistas coinciden en que ahora s?lo quedan d?lares de los ahorristas y la porci?n invertida en oro)."

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15:14:01 deedbot-: [fraudsters] The Rainmaker - http://fraudsters.com/2015/the-rainmaker/

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18:01:15 funkenstein_: good afternoon subhuman anatifers

18:06:00 BingoBoingo: Sorry, you seems to be looking for #labcoin-ants

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18:23:25 shinohai: !s http://www.engadget.com/2015/11/23/3d-printing-guns-new-south-wales/

18:23:25 assbot: 3D printing files for guns are illegal in an Australian state ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ibnsyd )

18:23:26 assbot: 0 results for 'http://www.engadget.com/2015/11/23/3d-printing-guns-new-south-wales/' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.engadget.com%2F2015%2F11%2F23%2F3d-printing-guns-new-south-wales%2F

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18:55:47 funkenstein_: .diff

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19:05:23 deedbot-: [Qntra] "World Terror Day" Does Not Happen as "Anonymous" Predicts, Mass Shooting Occurs Anyways - http://qntra.net/2015/11/world-terror-day-does-not-happen-as-anonymous-predicts-mass-shooting-occurs-anyways/

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19:24:56 BingoBoingo: https://i.imgur.com/OuE60oQ.jpg

19:24:57 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1OojoiR )

19:35:52 mircea_popescu: lmao

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19:59:23 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-11-2015#1330273 << holy shit, straight rip of ken thompson ?!

19:59:23 assbot: Logged on 23-11-2015 06:02:14; punkman: https://www.quora.com/What-is-a-coders-worst-nightmare/answer/Mick-Stute?srid=RBKZ&share=1

20:08:13 mircea_popescu: no no it's not kant it's "radical honesty".

20:14:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77050 @ 0.00049961 = 38.495 BTC [-] {4}

20:15:27 asciilifeform: confabulation is one thing, but the sort of cheap 'retell plot of famous film as own life' is unworthy even of an alcoholic hobo pseudo-vietnam-veteran

20:15:59 asciilifeform: how do these 'people' masquerade as people, at any point...?

20:18:03 asciilifeform: http://xkcd.com/1607 << artist prolly did not think that this was about pgp. but it ought to be.

20:18:04 assbot: xkcd: Supreme Court ... ( http://bit.ly/1PVTrJ8 )

20:21:42 mircea_popescu: well, by limiting themselves of an audience of similar quality.

20:22:02 mircea_popescu: but as that only goes so far, also by insisting that "this is everything" and that "being told off is mean"

20:26:33 mircea_popescu: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/InformedAbility << i introduce this into the record as the definitive reason ustarda can't write.

20:26:34 assbot: Informed Ability - TV Tropes ... ( http://bit.ly/1N4KiJ7 )

20:26:41 mircea_popescu: "What often deters writers from going through with the above plan is the fact that, well, Most Writers Are Writers. They're writing a character who's supposed to be a musician, but they don't know the particulars of meters or chords. They have a character who is a military expert, but they don't know how long an infantry division can fight until it needs to be resupplied. They have a character who's a genius, but they

20:26:42 mircea_popescu: haven't a clue what kind of problem only a genius would be able to work through, or how. If they actually attempt to show the ability in action they take a very real risk of the portrayal falling completely flat.

20:26:42 mircea_popescu: On occasion, the ability cannot adequately be portrayed by the medium used for the work. For example, a comic book cannot show how good a character's singing voice is, and a radio show would, at best, be forced to merely describe a character's great paintings.

20:26:45 mircea_popescu: One choice the writer has is to go ahead and show the supposed "ability". But if they don't do the research, this leads to such laughable characters as the scientist who spouts Hollywood Science, the tactician who comes up with the sort of tactics a five-year-old would think of and the "genius" who is only a genius because they're the only one coming up with any plan at all, and everyone else is downright stupid. Lack

20:26:50 mircea_popescu: of convincing detail means the reader does not believe, whether it is fixing an engine or presenting the actual philosophy of a character purported to be wise, and can make the readers long for the informed ability."

20:26:54 mircea_popescu: no, dumbass, "writers aren't writers". i don't give a shit "you just want to".

20:27:44 mircea_popescu: this is why it's fucking culture : so you either know, quite well and exactly, what kind of problem a genius would approach and how, or YOU MAY NOT USE THE FUCKING WORD IN YOUR STUPID PILE OF DRIVEL.

20:27:50 mircea_popescu: writersarewriters my fucking foot.

20:29:36 mircea_popescu: this is the direct equivalent of the heckled comedian going "hey, i work here! how would you like it if i came to your workplace and hecked you!"

20:29:43 mircea_popescu: motherfucking hack, go sell shoes.

20:30:50 asciilifeform: at one point, long ago, folks who wrote fiction (at least the better sort of sf) were people who ~did things~

20:31:04 mircea_popescu: and by now "they just want to"

20:31:37 mircea_popescu: fucktard doesn't know "the particulars" nevertheless thinks he can write up a musician

20:31:48 asciilifeform: e.g., paul linebarger, pen named 'cordwainer smith' - his day job was honchoing u.s. psychological warfare school in ww2.

20:31:50 mircea_popescu: then all their prose is equally and uniformly bland and stupid and hey, they give each other prizes.

20:32:09 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform plenty of examples, from clarke to what have you

20:32:11 asciilifeform: aha

20:32:15 asciilifeform: heinlein - sailor.

20:32:34 mircea_popescu: even hemingway tried to fraud his way into manhood

20:32:35 asciilifeform: (iirc submariner)

20:32:46 asciilifeform: weren't h a grunt in ww1 ?

20:32:59 asciilifeform: where was the fraud? he was a 'rear rat' ?

20:33:50 mircea_popescu: he made up some story about how he was wounded in the war

20:34:05 mircea_popescu: rather reminescent of gop pres candidates

20:35:54 asciilifeform: ahahahaha

20:35:55 asciilifeform: that.

20:36:04 asciilifeform: like the later mr ray-gun

20:36:10 asciilifeform: or who

20:36:41 mircea_popescu: meanwhile he sat around hotel florida or whatevers.

20:37:21 asciilifeform: i always found it interesting how come personalities are natural confabulators - in the sense that even if the fella has something legitimate to brag about, he will still insist on adding flourishes and 'shit bolted on the side'

20:37:26 asciilifeform: *how some personalities

20:38:10 mircea_popescu: it all depends what it's for. i add shit to every joke as a matter of course.

20:38:15 asciilifeform: well sure

20:38:31 mircea_popescu: his problem is more of an inferiority complex, seems to me, but whatchagonna do

20:39:02 asciilifeform: most folks solve this 'problem' (if you will) simply by 'i dun wanna talk about the war'

20:39:06 mircea_popescu: (when i was a kid there was this other kid that got REALLY angry whenever i told a joke. "ITS NOT LIKE THAT".

20:39:13 mircea_popescu: even brought a joke booklet to school once to prove it!)

20:39:17 asciilifeform: l0l!!

20:40:19 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no see, it's not that the war started, he should have fought but he hightailed it, so he covers up for it. it's that he's a murican not an ottoman so he figures he CANT be man enough. so to assuage his own neuroticism (why the fuck couldn't he be ?! what, manhood now comes with formal tags on it ?) he makes up a supportive story in a land far away.

20:40:26 mircea_popescu: it's a sort of a teddy if you want.

20:46:28 asciilifeform: sad

21:23:33 phf: asciilifeform: you were right re gossip prototype in common lisp. it was a needless distraction, i spent a long time getting lisp gpgme bindings working, and the end result was still pos. i'll just send the patches to gnupg ml, and maybe they'll update upstream, but that's not gotten me anywhere closer. i learned that cffi is mostly a mess. (someone worked some improvements on cffi recently, which resulted in cffi documentation being

21:23:33 phf: ~half~ out of sync with the actual code, but also in breaking all legacy approaches without better alternatives to replace them with)

21:24:54 phf: it seems like people use cffi as a trivial-ffi compatability layer, which mostly just gives you least common denominator ffi (it was a pain to work with after cmucl's native alien facilities)

21:26:00 phf: but yeah i switched back to writing cweb, and made progress on it, but the amount of careful thinking that's required with c, lisp prototype would not have bought me anything.

21:29:52 asciilifeform: phf: it only makes sense to do gossipd in cl if you reimplement the crypto

21:30:03 asciilifeform: ffi is a thing of the heathens.

21:31:36 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> weren't h a grunt in ww1 ? << Ambulance driver?

21:32:54 phf: ffi left me so unsure of the state of the system, i couldn't make myself trust the result. it's like 4 abstraction layers, all leaking.

21:33:42 asciilifeform: mega-unsurprise.

21:34:09 phf: well, you know how smart people learn from others' mistakes, idiots from their own?

21:34:20 asciilifeform: l0l all good so long as learned.

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22:52:57 shinohai: I hope BingoBoingo does a Qntra take on Achmed the clock boy's parents filing civil suit for a cool 15 mil

22:53:09 BingoBoingo: No u

22:53:12 asciilifeform: l0l!

22:53:29 asciilifeform: i thought he got a bag of $maxint and cookies directly from obamitler

22:53:54 BingoBoingo: He did, but his family has to bankrupt the Evil School

22:56:22 shinohai: Heres a novel idea: Get over yurselves, move back to Qatar like you were planning on, and NEVER LOOK BACK!

22:59:37 jurov: who? us?

23:00:15 jurov: i can't move to a country where grindr is illegal

23:00:27 asciilifeform: jurov: thread was about one 'clock boy'

23:00:50 jurov: yes, jk

23:00:56 asciilifeform: l0lz