Transcript for 23-11-2016, 424 lines:
00:00:33 punkman: English summer is quite pleasant
00:00:51 Framedragger: he mentioned back in ~may when i said i was living in g.
00:01:00 Framedragger: re. summer, yeah
00:01:14 Framedragger: still, i prefer actual, what are they called, seasons.
00:01:52 Framedragger: like in LT, winter is colder and all that, but summer is also proper-like. and on the whole dryer, even though the fucking country name (in lithuanian) literally means 'rain-land'
00:02:38 Framedragger: is that lack-of-decent-seasonal-variation aspect (+ rain, + wind) that i hate.. :/
00:02:42 Framedragger: it is*
00:03:01 punkman: Framedragger: where in europe did you find seasons lacking?
00:03:18 Framedragger: i was referring to UK
00:03:29 Framedragger: inb4 "i meant *europe*"
00:03:39 kakobrekla: hehe
00:03:57 punkman: they may have brexited but I still call them europe
00:04:14 kakobrekla: english think balkan starts in france
00:04:26 punkman: that's a point
00:05:12 Framedragger: punkman: (also, i just remembered that south of england is different in terms of weather. i'd only spent a cumulative < ~three weeks down there in total, but yeah south english summers are actual summers)
00:07:20 punkman: yah, haven't been north of london myself
00:07:36 Framedragger: o wow that's pretty!
00:08:10 punkman: still 20c during the day down here :P
00:09:48 Framedragger: punkman: whereabouts are you?
00:09:55 punkman: Creta
00:10:10 Framedragger: oh, that's cool.
00:11:35 *: Framedragger spent half a day in thessaloniki and that's the extent of my greek travels. one day..
00:11:36 punkman: but I remember a 25c day in Brighton and even teh girls were taking off their tshirts, walking around in their bras, lest they overheat and faint
00:11:48 Framedragger: :)
00:13:21 punkman: if you are visiting Creta, best time of summer is early October
00:22:21 kakobrekla: i miss mykonos
00:22:50 kakobrekla: and not because of predominant sexual orientation of folk there
00:25:18 punkman: I've never visited actually
00:25:23 punkman: too many islands
00:26:09 kakobrekla: i have been on a few there, ~10 years ago. mykonos, santorini, ios, rodos
00:26:23 kakobrekla: mega fun
00:26:42 kakobrekla: except santorini which is a fucking rock with some smallers rocks.
00:27:13 punkman: I know a guy that captains and rents sailboat if anyone needs a summer adventure
00:27:50 kakobrekla: for how many folks?
00:28:25 punkman: around 8 should be doable iirc
00:30:43 kakobrekla: ill keep that in mind, i have greek islands revisit on the todo.
00:31:59 punkman: island hopping with boat is great fun, I hate sailboats myself though
00:44:42 kakobrekla: the architecture here https://ramblinfreebird.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/dsc_5035.jpg
00:44:49 kakobrekla: is taken straight from 'pingu' i tell you
00:45:16 kakobrekla: (the cartoon: http://www.ollysmith.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/pingu.jpg )
00:51:25 Framedragger: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-11-2016#1459919 << cool stuff, gotta keep it in mind :)
00:51:25 assbot: Logged on 23-11-2016 00:27:13; punkman: I know a guy that captains and rents sailboat if anyone needs a summer adventure
00:56:37 punkman: kakobrekla: is that santorini?
00:56:53 kakobrekla: mykonos
00:57:56 punkman: speaking of white houses I have an anecdote
00:59:46 kakobrekla: that was the joke? :)
00:59:57 punkman: french company made an aluminum factory somewhere in central greece. there was nothing near the factory, so they build a little village for their employees. They called it White Houses.
00:59:59 assbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/2376DC4A598D0B7FBCC1A66D71E36ADB37969120DC2D5B7C24BAEC8DD9FF5FD9 ; Phuctored: 29442357377576099184491644836859957902512303323689598121341204768072381068350593430615372301770381545841782794240780908333868712433324958545990308439513217601548900079552141272897349610602840402865796716308321109752888137977152316240626732856757122898135392442539394277397918529575263888074089577485278122248399297041291287371871353035
01:00:17 kakobrekla: hehe
01:01:01 punkman: the village was impeccably clean, the residents took really good care of everything, everyone loved it
01:02:13 punkman: one afternoon a british captain finished loading up the aluminum, and as he was leaving he emptied all his waste just next to the coast the village was at
01:02:47 punkman: they saw him, called the coast guard, arrested him and brought him to court that same night
01:04:19 punkman: they told him to pay a fine, he asked "how much is that in british pounds?", some french company guy told him the exchange rate, and when he heard the answer he burst out laughing
01:04:40 punkman: "if it's really that, I will do it again!"
01:04:59 punkman: (he was drunk as a skunk)
01:06:02 punkman: ~fin
01:06:19 asciilifeform: punkman: i kept waiting for this to turn into the 'death by bunga-bunga' anecdote.
01:06:57 kakobrekla: well shit, moar trash to reboot ec0nomy!
01:07:10 punkman: I think this was around the 70s
01:07:54 asciilifeform: i could've sworn that i heard a version of this, where the judge -- after hearing the drunkard laughing - adds: '... per gram'
01:09:55 punkman: asciilifeform: there is probably still some hotel along the greak coast that has sewer line shitting right into the ocean
01:10:00 punkman: *greek
01:10:19 asciilifeform: hey, in usa, e.g., city of baltimore, md shits into the bay.
01:10:29 asciilifeform: (there is nominally a reprocessor but it breaks when it rains...)
01:12:47 punkman: by ocean I mean right in front of the beach the guests are supposed to enjoy
01:13:51 punkman: but yeah we had flooded waste processor last year, made a bit of a mess but not near any beach
01:34:09 kakobrekla: btw funkenstein_, you considered getting a bouncer? would make you lyf easier.
01:34:29 funkenstein_: which do you recommend?
01:34:37 funkenstein_: i still feel like irc noob
01:34:43 kakobrekla: i dunno if i can recommend any but i use znc
01:34:52 funkenstein_: i'll look into it thanks :)
01:35:11 kakobrekla: sure
01:37:00 punkman: I wonder what would happen if +m is removed
01:37:19 kakobrekla: punkman my guess is nothing
01:37:34 kakobrekla: one way to find out...
01:37:56 kakobrekla: wait what there is snow in greece?
01:38:49 funkenstein_: yup, olympus massif is beautiful
01:39:12 kakobrekla: my recollection of it is being in water and sweating at the same time
01:39:34 kakobrekla: shopped
01:39:47 punkman: no rly
01:39:58 funkenstein_: wow nice purples
01:46:55 funkenstein_: all cretans are liars, is that how it goes?
01:47:26 punkman: I'm just a cretin
01:50:12 funkenstein_: accreting bitcoin i hope :)
02:10:14 kakobrekla: that indeed looks terrible snow (ice?) to ski on
02:10:55 kakobrekla: view is nice tho
04:12:08 assbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/2376DC4A598D0B7FBCC1A66D71E36ADB37969120DC2D5B7C24BAEC8DD9FF5FD9 ; Phuctored: 170410286599368896161371174430883544585944678566466423087196938484946331242243851064242575354061495784084642470022788675941851830960275207940293214862660541614242514701795881081415996845373279153222015466427934683111572454602887909421865358725320183047933218295552576094740663594953898448284038927368320669563 divides RSA Moduli belong
04:12:09 assbot: ipinfo: 220.127.116.11, No Hostname, Schwedt (Oder), Brandenburg, DE, 53.0667,14.3000, AS21032 TELTA Citynetz GmbH, 16303
04:13:36 kakobrekla: internet of shit device?
05:14:00 davout: kakobrekla: blog looks up to me
05:14:13 davout: also ohai
05:14:18 davout: where're you moving?
07:38:07 punkman: in local lulz, burglars hit nearby house last night, they searched every last drawer/box/pillow but left all computers/tablets behind
07:38:36 punkman: ergo, computers are no longer worth anything?
07:50:08 davout: punkman: maybe were after something specific?
08:11:10 punkman: davout: dunno, but I've spotted two other recent cases in the news where computers were all left behind
08:11:48 punkman: maybe they are afraid of teh GPS TRACKERS
08:11:56 punkman: or they have enough shitdroid tablets already
08:51:16 pankkake: computers are complicated to sell, unless it's a mac (same for smartphones, iirc most of the ones stolen are iphones)
08:53:39 pankkake: I wonder what people would steal from me, I have either no fancy stuff, very hard to move, or very well hidden
08:55:08 pankkake: most valuable small items would be limited edition CDs/books, but you'd have to know
09:49:17 davout: pankkake: my first guess would've been jewelry, gold coins, stuff like that
09:50:21 pankkake: that's the well hidden part
12:13:44 Framedragger: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=22-11-2016#1459680 << just read a note at the bottom saying "This accounting system is not intended for zero asset corporations, which distribute their net profit each month to shareholders. These will continue on the S.MPOE model. "
12:13:44 assbot: Logged on 22-11-2016 20:59:45; punkman: Framedragger: you might find this relevant http://fraudsters.com/2013/accounting-for-the-nonzero-asset-corporation-the-mpex-standard/
12:14:14 Framedragger: so supposedly bitbet did *not* use this "AN0" accounting system?
12:25:33 punkman: it did not
12:26:04 jurov: Framedragger: bitbet had to keep track of bets somehow. Just monthly reports pretended that it is irrelevant.
12:27:17 jurov: and nobody seriously contested this perhaps because discussing with mp is hard
12:27:28 Framedragger: right, i see!
12:28:52 Framedragger: "Obviously this loss is not an actual loss but merely an accounting artefact, resulting from BitBet expending more than it has incoming." << hm, this sounds like "actual loss" :)
12:30:41 Framedragger: "as the zero asset model is in places clearly inadequate for the needs of BitBet (such as for instance the credits problem above), it is perhaps a good idea to update BitBet to the newer AN0 standard. This is something I am considering [...]" << ok even more confused.com
12:31:32 jurov: He Always Knows He Is Doing.
12:31:33 Framedragger: i don't get what 'accounting standard' bitbet in point of fact followed. but i probably am not being too thick and it's simpler than i pretend it to be
12:31:41 punkman: jurov, or nobody contested because going around fixing things that work is perhaps not very productive
12:31:51 Framedragger: s/am not/am/
12:32:33 jurov: punkman: did not quite work, he already had to fix bitbet's loss from own pocket
12:32:54 jurov: before that
12:33:52 kakobrekla: would really like to jump in but leaving for a hike, bbl
12:33:59 punkman: Framedragger: I don't think there was a written standard for zero ass corp
12:34:26 jurov: Framedragger: the 0ass model is basically that the owners pocket the proceeds of IPO and in exchange they pretend there are no running costs
12:34:26 punkman: but there is discussion of it in the comments of the nonzero asset blogpost
12:34:59 Framedragger: yeah. ok. thanks guys.
12:35:05 Framedragger: (makes sense)
12:39:10 jurov: um.. i don't think i ever expressed it so clearly. theoretically it is sound, but in practice when owners pay things out of their pocket instead of company's chest, it leads to mess
12:40:10 punkman: the point was that btc is necessarily in treasurer's pocket, which I think stands
12:40:52 punkman: the only alternative being, what, multisig?
13:35:57 Framedragger: ah, re. comment on davout's blog: http://fr.anco.is/2016/bitbet-proposed-settlement-transaction#comment-8578
15:42:15 kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-11-2016#1460015 < well, he mounts a hallucination - when it turns out it does fit into reality, he quickly takes another dose of lsd and dreams up a fix for it. some idiots take it for granted and the rest asserts by presence. this same behaviour can be observed in churches - folk present there actually do not hold same beliefs, yet they assume their own coincide with ~all others present at the
15:42:15 assbot: Logged on 23-11-2016 12:31:32; jurov: He Always Knows He Is Doing.
15:42:16 kakobrekla: ceremony. i despise that, even if the noah story is really fucking cute.
15:43:14 kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-11-2016#1460027 < there is actually more to that than whats being said
15:43:14 assbot: Logged on 23-11-2016 12:39:10; jurov: um.. i don't think i ever expressed it so clearly. theoretically it is sound, but in practice when owners pay things out of their pocket instead of company's chest, it leads to mess
15:43:47 kakobrekla: one of the first arguments that surfaced was 'in the firat world, the company takes the hit when ceo fucks up'
15:44:01 kakobrekla: it is interesting to observe how quickly the fiatista mentaility was imported when it was handy to do so
15:44:26 kakobrekla: i also learend later that even in that despised system there are cases where ceo was actually personally liable for the misconduct and damage done
15:45:02 kakobrekla: secondly there is a difference between 'i fucked up, i pay', 'i fucked up, company pays' and 'the chinese fucked up, company pays'
15:45:15 kakobrekla: maybe next week the dolphins will fuck up and company pays again?
15:45:36 kakobrekla: that is not something im willing to entertain. he can have the non existing konspiracy only as long as he pays for it.
15:46:05 kakobrekla: thirdly, there is the issue of me having to assert and sign that fabrtication of his which clearly has nothing do with reality. the answer is no, fess up or gtfo.
15:48:04 kakobrekla: there was also the lulzy part of him comming up with a solution that required me recoding a part of bitbet to prevent such 'attack' in the future. riiight.
16:06:14 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: for the sake of argument, how would you have structured bbet if it had been your free will ?
16:06:47 asciilifeform: (in place of 'd00d A and dood B with B also judge,jury,executioner')
16:07:38 kakobrekla: if B is judge, jury, and executioner he can also pay bills.
16:08:22 asciilifeform: i presumed that kakobrekla believes the bbet organization scheme to have been a mistake.. this is not so ?
16:09:54 kakobrekla: you can be the king as long as you can carry the burden
16:27:28 asciilifeform: if you want to carry this analogy forward, kakobrekla was working as... vizier. and one of the burdens of vizier is to suck it up , even if king goes mad and starts pulling off strange tricks
16:28:17 asciilifeform: if vizier takes off his mantle and, in disgust, 'i've had enough, i quit' then -- king can also, and takes off crown, and becomes just angry d00d with machete.
16:28:51 asciilifeform: and when he takes off yer arms & legs, you can call it what you like, but to complain that it is 'un-kingly' behaviour is a bit rich imho.
16:30:35 asciilifeform: why should i or anyone close eyes to the vizier's retroactive rewriting of his obligations, if we are to consider the king's ?
16:32:15 Framedragger: are saying that BBET agreement can actually carry through such a picture/analogy/implied-relationship? seems a bit stretching, no?
16:32:18 Framedragger: you*
16:34:06 asciilifeform: Framedragger: to the extent that it was a crew of 2, with literally no provision for a 3rd or nth party to intervene
16:34:47 Framedragger: well, there's that, i suppose. no set course for arbitration, etc.
16:34:59 asciilifeform: (it is not my position that it 'ought to have had a 3rd'.)
16:35:29 kakobrekla: there is nothing wrong with 2
16:35:35 kakobrekla: as long as one does not batshit crazy
16:35:49 kakobrekla: then - problem.
16:36:11 Framedragger: these problems (between 'founders' etc) are not so uncommon though, i guess.
16:36:55 asciilifeform: 2 can carry on rather well if neither is living under the delusion that they are 'equals'
16:37:05 asciilifeform: then - problem.
16:37:32 asciilifeform: esp. if the aggrieved 'not so equal after all' tries to retroactively bring a 3rd party into the relationship ('the public', 'the forum', etc)
16:38:19 Framedragger: "we should just learn to love the king"
16:38:33 kakobrekla: we were equal in sense that both have to agree to X if we want to consider it valid, by the contract.
16:38:51 kakobrekla: and mind you, there is a difference between being king and playing king. he is playing.
16:39:17 asciilifeform: well you don't have to love the king. but if you're considering to work as vizier, and tie king's shoes for him, i recommend to think re whether you like him or not..
16:40:08 kakobrekla: the difference is that when playing king goes x, x does not actually happen.
16:40:44 kakobrekla: we can pretend it happens, but thats about as far as it goes.
16:42:18 asciilifeform: every man king of his castle, or how did it go.
16:42:46 asciilifeform: btw if the castle kakobrekla was kicked out from is so insignificantly small, it is hard to see why the blow stung so.
16:43:09 kakobrekla: idk why you keep thinking i was kicked out, you must be confused.
16:43:40 asciilifeform: referring to kakobrekla's expulsion from mpex
16:43:47 kakobrekla: ah
16:44:28 kakobrekla: im just impressed to see gypsy finally gyp and everyone looking away and pretend it didnt happen
16:44:49 asciilifeform: possibly not everyone agrees re who is the 'gypsy', and who -- whom
16:45:04 kakobrekla: well yeah lots of confused fellas roaming the earth
16:45:14 kakobrekla: not arguing with that
16:45:20 kakobrekla: brb coffee
17:06:30 kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-11-2016#1460072 < i think it went 'fake money, real losses' :)
17:06:30 assbot: Logged on 23-11-2016 16:42:18; asciilifeform: every man king of his castle, or how did it go.
17:11:21 asciilifeform: from my perch, seems like kakobrekla luuuuved mpex/mpoe while they were busy crediting his account with tall, tall pile of btc in exchange for doing ~0 work
17:11:30 asciilifeform: then, when for equally little reason, stopped - not so great.
17:12:15 asciilifeform: it is also my understanding that kakobrekla did manage to retain most of said pile.
17:12:20 Framedragger: 0 work when the guy had done all the programming etc work (acknowledged by mp)?
17:12:32 asciilifeform: all of the programming, then 'fire & forget'
17:12:35 kakobrekla: programmig is not work
17:12:45 kakobrekla: nor is keeping systems up
17:12:58 kakobrekla: and checking stuff every fucking day.
17:13:11 asciilifeform: how many minutes per day of bbet operation did it cost kakobrekla , if i might ask
17:13:46 kakobrekla: you will not get what i did for that price anywhere else on this planet.
17:13:52 asciilifeform: granted
17:13:53 Framedragger: (i don't really understand how this is relevant tho)
17:14:10 asciilifeform: just as you will not get phuctor 'for the price'
17:14:32 asciilifeform: (incidentally it is at least as mechanically complicated as bbet, and i spend a good 20-30 min on it every single day of the year, for 0 pay)
17:15:26 jurov: asciilifeform: it's possible the my mpex work/reward ratio is much lower than kako's. he should have cut me off, too, by that logic.
17:15:26 asciilifeform: Framedragger: it is relevant because kakobrekla made mega-bank not only on bbet ipo, but on having working mpex acct and riding the mpoe train
17:15:57 asciilifeform: jurov: implication is not 'cut off because ratio low' but that kakobrekla has mighty cheek to cry 'scam' when he made megatonne of coin from -- largely -- thin air
17:16:32 asciilifeform: fact remains -- if mpoe was pyramid (and i am not convinced that it was, ftr) kakobrekla -- profited.
17:16:56 asciilifeform: and is about to take oceanic voyage on the profits, all the while laughing at us idiots who work for a living.
17:16:58 jurov: lol i even paid adlai for botting s.mpoe , and profited too
17:17:30 jurov: then the trade suddenly ceased
17:17:35 jurov: and then bitbet happened
17:17:39 kakobrekla: i did not profit from 'riding mpex train' or whatever
17:17:56 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: the 1000s of btc came from where ?
17:18:03 asciilifeform: mars?
17:18:03 kakobrekla: which 1000s?
17:18:08 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: yours
17:18:26 kakobrekla: i got ~500 from mpex, ~500 of which was from bbet ipo
17:18:32 asciilifeform: so -- mpex.
17:18:32 kakobrekla: the rest of coins have nothing to do with mpex
17:18:42 jurov: asciilifeform: you imply they came from mircea?
17:18:53 kakobrekla: alf is confused
17:18:54 asciilifeform: i have nfi where mpex gets coin. maybe -- from mars.
17:19:05 jurov: from usg !!!!! :D :D
17:19:19 kakobrekla: he says alibaba should give money to nyse because they ipoed there
17:19:30 kakobrekla: not relaizing nyse already billed them by their book
17:19:44 asciilifeform: go and try and ipo from your front door, without intermediaries, see where you get.
17:19:47 kakobrekla: and took commission and so on
17:21:36 asciilifeform: if kakobrekla indeed 'could have done it all alone', why didn't he ?
17:21:52 Framedragger: my airline is so nice to me that i won't really see an issue with it stealing my luggage every once in a while
17:22:00 kakobrekla: if mp could have done it alone, why doesnt he (again) ?
17:22:20 asciilifeform: Framedragger: this is rather more like if a hijacker complains that the airline stole his luggage after he was arrested
17:22:29 kakobrekla: lol
17:22:34 jurov: lol
17:22:39 kakobrekla: alf is so confused
17:22:41 Framedragger: right, now we are into hijacker territory, that's nice
17:22:59 kakobrekla: kings and highjackers and luggge and dolphins
17:23:09 kakobrekla: a real circus short of clowns arent we
17:23:13 kakobrekla: o wait, we have those too
17:23:41 asciilifeform: you forgot 'wild west' also
17:23:46 asciilifeform: where kakobrekla took his knife to the gun fight
17:23:49 asciilifeform: and got perforated.
17:23:57 kakobrekla: right right...
17:24:20 jurov: really, who hijacked bitbet by taking unilateral decisions?
17:24:21 kakobrekla: whats the mpex volume this month
17:24:24 kakobrekla: can someone tell me?
17:24:35 jurov: 0.7 BTC iirc. all s.qntr sales
17:24:50 kakobrekla: so, a new loss leader emerges
17:24:55 asciilifeform: ~= to asciilifeform's electric bill
17:25:29 kakobrekla: im just gonna take the credit of killing mpex
17:25:37 asciilifeform: jurov: afaik most aspects of bbet operation were made of 'unilateral decision'
17:25:38 kakobrekla: with 18 btc or what was it
17:25:56 asciilifeform: or did kakobrekla confer with mircea_popescu before updating even 1 line of code
17:25:59 kakobrekla: this is the place where alf hallucintes gain
17:26:08 kakobrekla: again*
17:26:29 asciilifeform: if kakobrekla tells that they conferred every single time a button was pressed ...
17:26:32 asciilifeform: i might even believe him
17:26:34 kakobrekla: yes, minor details (of the 0.1 btc variety) were always disucssed
17:27:03 asciilifeform: sooo you two discussed every single payout separately ?
17:27:06 asciilifeform: and both signed off..?
17:27:21 kakobrekla: both no, because he does not think multisig is a thing afaik
17:27:30 asciilifeform: not in the gavinsig sense
17:27:34 asciilifeform: but in the 'i agree' sense
17:27:57 kakobrekla: many payouts were cross checked
17:27:59 kakobrekla: not all.
17:29:01 asciilifeform: very clearly not all.
17:30:34 kakobrekla: there were a bunch of cases where he went "do you agree this should resolve as x" or "do you have any objections resolving this so-and-so" and similar
17:30:58 asciilifeform: btw iirc neither of you ever spilled the beans re who it was who 'moderated', resolved, etc and how
17:31:13 asciilifeform: who did the daily sweat of running the site, and in exchange for what.
17:32:02 kakobrekla: resolving was done by mp and hanbot under the disguise of 'moderators'.
17:32:23 kakobrekla: but it was passed by me when neccesary obvisously
17:32:28 asciilifeform: why, out of curiosity, so certain that it was hanbot
17:32:34 asciilifeform: and not some other
17:32:39 kakobrekla: because i was giving out the access
17:44:16 assbot: Monty Python - Argument Clinic - YouTube
18:34:41 kakobrekla: "So good that even the judge at the regional court in Frankfurt adorned: "They have sold good quality at fair prices."
18:35:54 Framedragger: the prosecutor agreed, too! :)
18:36:01 kakobrekla: :)
20:35:29 kakobrekla: punkman spoke of robbery, my good friend was robbed in Johannesburg today. they were dressed as cops and only took cash, left him his passport and laptop, not sure about phone.
20:35:47 asciilifeform: we have these in usa
20:35:48 kakobrekla: "my rapist was so kind, fucked me in the ass only!!"
20:40:43 pankkake: it's actually common. less trouble
20:41:09 pankkake: especially if you can spot the tourists
20:41:22 asciilifeform: i was speaking of the american tradition of police taking any quantity of cash they may happen to come across, esp. during a 'random' road stop.
20:42:17 kakobrekla: ah yeah they have a name for that which escapes me now
20:42:18 asciilifeform: not as a bribe, either, but simply physically take, with hands, from your pocket, into his.
20:42:25 asciilifeform: 'civil forfeiture'
20:42:34 kakobrekla: that
20:42:50 kakobrekla: well, the station gets it supposedly
20:42:54 pankkake: I don't remember the law here but I'm pretty sure we have quantities of cash that are considered "suspcious"
20:43:07 pankkake: and it's illegal to transact with cash over a certain amount
20:43:10 kakobrekla: so they can buy more coffee and donuts
20:43:44 asciilifeform: pankkake: in usa , even better, it is a criminal offense to attempt to transact with a lower amount to get around 'suspicious' limit (the exact limit varies by bank and is always secret)
20:43:52 asciilifeform: it is called 'structuring', i shit thee not.
20:44:10 pankkake: we have that too :)))
20:44:13 kakobrekla: yep
20:45:11 asciilifeform: i once had to wait two weeks to cash a (paper!) check (and from no less than u.s. dod!) on account of this idiocy.
20:45:35 pankkake: anything over 5000€ would go to fintrac automatically (but now it's even lower)
20:45:55 pankkake: and I'm probably guilty of it, having made a similar transaction in less than a month
20:46:07 kakobrekla: its 10k here afaik, but it really comes down to bank empoyees
20:46:27 kakobrekla: if they think they you should be reported they report, if you they think not, they dont
20:46:44 kakobrekla: -you
20:46:45 asciilifeform: iirc they have quota of reports to fill
20:46:51 asciilifeform: (just as traffic cops etc)
20:46:55 kakobrekla: not here
20:47:02 *: kakobrekla has info from inside the bank
20:47:16 asciilifeform: not formally here either, but in the sense where it will look strange to handlers if they have 0 reports in x yrs
20:48:06 asciilifeform: all 'we catch mice' setups have some -- often informal -- number of expected mice-caught-per-month etc
21:02:19 kakobrekla: uk tards do it again http://betanews.com/2016/11/23/online-porn-censorship-uk/
21:02:22 assbot: No kinky online sex, please -- we're British!
21:09:38 Framedragger: oh yeah, they're pushing on surveillance and censorship hard, just passed that "make all ISPs record browsing history" law, etc
21:10:18 Framedragger: incidentally i found this in a uk subreddit ("scottish grindr users on the eu referendum"): http://machotrouts.tumblr.com/post/146007685930/remaindr?is_related_post=1
21:15:36 kakobrekla: you plan on staying in uk for this or what
21:16:05 Framedragger: most likely imma be out of uk come summer
21:16:25 kakobrekla: back to lt?
21:18:30 Framedragger: not sure yet, depends on job etc, but it's the most likely thing to happen. back to lt for the summer, then will see. tbh i have a distinctive lack of plan re. this; a lot of it depends on income / remote work opportunities which i should seek/rekindle when i become less busy..
21:19:05 Framedragger: but yeah, family etc in lt in the summer, i think.
21:19:15 kakobrekla: what do you do in uk anyway
21:19:18 Framedragger: (you're very welcome to drop by!)
21:19:22 kakobrekla: except for watching porn
21:19:39 kakobrekla: well, not watching it now i guess.
21:20:23 Framedragger: study (last year) and work in local small financial firm advising on software valuation projects part-time, not too ambitious. (job started in co. as sysadmin+IT, now manage a dude who does that but overall it's boring and i'm lazy which is bad, etc)
21:20:53 Framedragger: yah, don't know, horribru surveillance is horribru
21:20:53 kakobrekla: is the pay any good?
21:21:29 Framedragger: notrly. i've come to like living cheap / under budget, so able to save some, etc. it's not full-time tho.
21:21:47 kakobrekla: ah
21:22:15 kakobrekla: nothing wrong with having some free time
21:22:24 Framedragger: thing is, with actual-studying, i've come to appreciate stable predictable low-income pay, vs. freelance-programming-cowboy-etc, which i've also done. maybe when i become l33t i can do latter to my heart's content, dunno
21:22:48 Framedragger: (that is to say, not gonna look for anything else till i graduate in june)
21:23:56 kakobrekla: arguably you are more vounerable relaying on a single gig even if that one presents itself as stable
21:24:18 kakobrekla: you never know when chinese konspiraci hits ya
21:24:24 Framedragger: (overall it's about fuckin' time i moved, i've considered living in portugal for awhile, nice people and low cost of living, and doing remote work.)
21:24:53 Framedragger: there's that! wonder what boss'd say if i opened a konspiraci contingency file
21:26:03 kakobrekla: :D
21:26:28 Framedragger: and kakobrekla is cooking some s33krit thing, and is then off for some travelling, i take it :)
21:26:48 kakobrekla: hehe
21:27:19 kakobrekla: tbh i plan on bringing it to a level when some folks here can take over daily operations and i just code remotely as i please
21:27:38 kakobrekla: if this is going to work out remains to be seen
21:27:49 Framedragger: sounds pretty cool and worth a decent try
22:36:57 *: kakobrekla close enough
22:41:31 Framedragger: hilarious
22:42:17 Framedragger: i'm yet to induce an italian epileptic shock with the well-known "put ketchup on pasta" method, but a time will come
22:42:27 kakobrekla: l0l
22:42:54 kakobrekla: its interesting to observe that we have a lot of italian food tourism here
22:42:57 kakobrekla: they come to slovenia to eat.
22:56:02 Framedragger: how curious. maybe something-something 'to gaze at self from the Other' something
22:56:07 Framedragger: heh
22:57:31 pankkake: kakobrekla: it's real, ~200 people are in (not me), the operators made a few rookie mistakes and their identity is public
22:58:19 asciilifeform: wat's that, 311117 w4r3z ?
22:59:20 pankkake: pretty much, but with music and hipsters
23:00:51 Framedragger: wait, what.cd is out???
23:00:54 Framedragger: oh fuck njo
23:01:06 Framedragger: fuck me that's sad :(
23:01:35 kakobrekla: dude dont you read this chan ?
23:01:43 Framedragger: all the meticulously catalogued-by-style-and-bitrate albums and collections, and nice kommunity
23:01:49 Framedragger: 'cause i'm prejudiced, or something
23:02:00 kakobrekla: we have been mourning all week or something
23:02:10 Framedragger: aghh
23:02:16 asciilifeform: l0l! next you'll tell me what, that the last dodo was alive until last week also ?
23:02:35 Framedragger: kakobrekla: in truth, eventually i read, but been a busy few days
23:03:22 Framedragger: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-12-2014#953229 << cool stuff
23:03:22 assbot: Logged on 14-12-2014 20:22:19; kakobrekla: >This [invite] tree has 1,062 entries, 254 branches, and a depth of 7. It has 769 Users (72%), 221 Members (21%), 62 Power Users (6%), 9 Elites (1%) and 1 Elite TM (0%). 595 users are disabled (56%), and 102 users have donated (10%).
23:03:34 *: Framedragger had small-time account, never was able to properly seed, once donated in btc
23:03:35 kakobrekla: aha
23:04:09 kakobrekla: i interviewed about 500 folks for the invite, hence big tree
23:04:59 kakobrekla: pankkake will you be getting in or you think its moot
23:05:25 Framedragger: pankkake: pretty nice article
23:05:42 pankkake: hopefully in the next few days, they're not really recruiting from wwhat I can understand. and alternatives may apppear
23:06:01 pankkake: there's a private channel for ex-torrent masters and nothing of substance came out yet
23:06:17 kakobrekla: i feel short of that, got lazy
23:06:25 Framedragger: "in"? as in, successor? godspeed
23:06:33 kakobrekla: hit me up if you get some swag
23:06:54 pankkake: waffles (which is actually older) might come back, but it's not as neatly organized
23:07:13 pankkake: only taking donations currently :|
23:07:26 *: kakobrekla also can do that
23:07:36 pankkake: I definitively have waffles invites, so
23:08:06 kakobrekla: ok lets see how this plays out
23:09:01 Framedragger: is what.cd's database gone for good?
23:09:44 pankkake: they claim it is
23:10:26 pankkake: the requests were pretty much my shopping list, how am I going to know what to buy now?!
23:11:33 kakobrekla: myea
23:11:46 kakobrekla: shame for not releasing db
23:11:53 Framedragger: yeah.
23:13:28 pankkake: the circlejerks about building a decentralized successor read awfully familiar
23:13:33 pankkake: no blockchains were sparred
23:13:39 kakobrekla: l0l!
23:14:16 Framedragger: ah, the lets-decentralize-after-$x-is-bust lifecycle
23:14:57 Framedragger: i mean, i wonder if anyone's proposed any interesting designs... take kademlia, and add as little as possible, etc
23:16:32 Framedragger: "NoStream's IRC and Tracker Are on the Same French OVH Server"
23:17:01 kakobrekla: dis a joke ?
23:18:13 Framedragger: dunno
23:18:53 pankkake: yeah, and the guy is also pretty much doxed (plenty of drama/pics on /g/)
23:19:01 Framedragger: nasty
23:19:06 kakobrekla: dont tell me its some 13 yo
23:19:19 kakobrekla: "i know github"
23:23:18 Framedragger: https://github.com/WhatCD/Gazelle/blob/master/classes/users.class.php#L376-L378 << hmm i guess this is passable
23:25:12 kakobrekla: check the comment above the func :)
23:25:38 Framedragger: d'oh! aha so they use crypt() now