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00:00:33 punkman: English summer is quite pleasant

00:00:51 Framedragger: he mentioned back in ~may when i said i was living in g.

00:01:00 Framedragger: re. summer, yeah

00:01:14 Framedragger: still, i prefer actual, what are they called, seasons.

00:01:52 Framedragger: like in LT, winter is colder and all that, but summer is also proper-like. and on the whole dryer, even though the fucking country name (in lithuanian) literally means 'rain-land'

00:02:38 Framedragger: is that lack-of-decent-seasonal-variation aspect (+ rain, + wind) that i hate.. :/

00:02:42 Framedragger: it is*

00:03:01 punkman: Framedragger: where in europe did you find seasons lacking?

00:03:18 Framedragger: i was referring to UK

00:03:29 Framedragger: inb4 "i meant *europe*"

00:03:39 kakobrekla: hehe

00:03:57 punkman: they may have brexited but I still call them europe

00:04:14 kakobrekla: english think balkan starts in france

00:04:26 punkman: that's a point

00:05:02 punkman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AecYI3cwDH8

00:05:03 assbot: Faithless - Crazy English Summer [HD] - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/2f4oubP )

00:05:12 Framedragger: punkman: (also, i just remembered that south of england is different in terms of weather. i'd only spent a cumulative < ~three weeks down there in total, but yeah south english summers are actual summers)

00:07:20 punkman: yah, haven't been north of london myself

00:07:25 kakobrekla: speaking of seasons, from the other day http://smpake.com/stuff/slivnica/DSC_0465.JPG

00:07:25 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/2f4o6dj )

00:07:36 Framedragger: o wow that's pretty!

00:08:10 punkman: still 20c during the day down here :P

00:09:48 Framedragger: punkman: whereabouts are you?

00:09:55 punkman: Creta

00:10:10 Framedragger: oh, that's cool.

00:11:35 *: Framedragger spent half a day in thessaloniki and that's the extent of my greek travels. one day..

00:11:36 punkman: but I remember a 25c day in Brighton and even teh girls were taking off their tshirts, walking around in their bras, lest they overheat and faint

00:11:48 Framedragger: :)

00:13:21 punkman: if you are visiting Creta, best time of summer is early October

00:22:21 kakobrekla: i miss mykonos

00:22:50 kakobrekla: and not because of predominant sexual orientation of folk there

00:25:18 punkman: I've never visited actually

00:25:23 punkman: too many islands

00:26:09 kakobrekla: i have been on a few there, ~10 years ago. mykonos, santorini, ios, rodos

00:26:23 kakobrekla: mega fun

00:26:42 kakobrekla: except santorini which is a fucking rock with some smallers rocks.

00:27:13 punkman: I know a guy that captains and rents sailboat if anyone needs a summer adventure

00:27:50 kakobrekla: for how many folks?

00:28:25 punkman: around 8 should be doable iirc

00:30:43 kakobrekla: ill keep that in mind, i have greek islands revisit on the todo.

00:31:59 punkman: island hopping with boat is great fun, I hate sailboats myself though

00:44:42 kakobrekla: the architecture here https://ramblinfreebird.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/dsc_5035.jpg

00:44:42 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/2fnccXa )

00:44:49 kakobrekla: is taken straight from 'pingu' i tell you

00:45:16 kakobrekla: (the cartoon: http://www.ollysmith.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/pingu.jpg )

00:45:17 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/2fndaCW )

00:51:25 Framedragger: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-11-2016#1459919 << cool stuff, gotta keep it in mind :)

00:51:25 assbot: Logged on 23-11-2016 00:27:13; punkman: I know a guy that captains and rents sailboat if anyone needs a summer adventure

00:56:37 punkman: kakobrekla: is that santorini?

00:56:53 kakobrekla: mykonos

00:57:56 punkman: speaking of white houses I have an anecdote

00:59:46 kakobrekla: that was the joke? :)

00:59:57 punkman: french company made an aluminum factory somewhere in central greece. there was nothing near the factory, so they build a little village for their employees. They called it White Houses.

00:59:59 assbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/2376DC4A598D0B7FBCC1A66D71E36ADB37969120DC2D5B7C24BAEC8DD9FF5FD9 ; Phuctored: 29442357377576099184491644836859957902512303323689598121341204768072381068350593430615372301770381545841782794240780908333868712433324958545990308439513217601548900079552141272897349610602840402865796716308321109752888137977152316240626732856757122898135392442539394277397918529575263888074089577485278122248399297041291287371871353035

01:00:17 kakobrekla: hehe

01:01:01 punkman: the village was impeccably clean, the residents took really good care of everything, everyone loved it

01:02:13 punkman: one afternoon a british captain finished loading up the aluminum, and as he was leaving he emptied all his waste just next to the coast the village was at

01:02:47 punkman: they saw him, called the coast guard, arrested him and brought him to court that same night

01:04:19 punkman: they told him to pay a fine, he asked "how much is that in british pounds?", some french company guy told him the exchange rate, and when he heard the answer he burst out laughing

01:04:40 punkman: "if it's really that, I will do it again!"

01:04:59 punkman: (he was drunk as a skunk)

01:06:02 punkman: ~fin

01:06:19 asciilifeform: punkman: i kept waiting for this to turn into the 'death by bunga-bunga' anecdote.

01:06:57 kakobrekla: well shit, moar trash to reboot ec0nomy!

01:07:10 punkman: I think this was around the 70s

01:07:54 asciilifeform: i could've sworn that i heard a version of this, where the judge -- after hearing the drunkard laughing - adds: '... per gram'

01:09:55 punkman: asciilifeform: there is probably still some hotel along the greak coast that has sewer line shitting right into the ocean

01:10:00 punkman: *greek

01:10:19 asciilifeform: hey, in usa, e.g., city of baltimore, md shits into the bay.

01:10:29 asciilifeform: (there is nominally a reprocessor but it breaks when it rains...)

01:12:47 punkman: by ocean I mean right in front of the beach the guests are supposed to enjoy

01:13:51 punkman: but yeah we had flooded waste processor last year, made a bit of a mess but not near any beach

01:34:09 kakobrekla: btw funkenstein_, you considered getting a bouncer? would make you lyf easier.

01:34:29 funkenstein_: which do you recommend?

01:34:37 funkenstein_: i still feel like irc noob

01:34:43 kakobrekla: i dunno if i can recommend any but i use znc

01:34:52 funkenstein_: i'll look into it thanks :)

01:35:11 kakobrekla: sure

01:36:17 funkenstein_: a few pics from my last trip to greece, two years ago now: http://imgur.com/a/4V0Is

01:36:18 assbot: Imgur: The most awesome images on the Internet ... ( http://bit.ly/2fnbCsz )

01:37:00 punkman: I wonder what would happen if +m is removed

01:37:19 kakobrekla: punkman my guess is nothing

01:37:34 kakobrekla: one way to find out...

01:37:56 kakobrekla: wait what there is snow in greece?

01:38:49 funkenstein_: yup, olympus massif is beautiful

01:39:12 kakobrekla: my recollection of it is being in water and sweating at the same time

01:39:20 punkman: http://www.crete.newmentor.net/pic62.jpg

01:39:21 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/2fngsGh )

01:39:34 kakobrekla: shopped

01:39:47 punkman: no rly

01:39:58 funkenstein_: wow nice purples

01:46:55 funkenstein_: all cretans are liars, is that how it goes?

01:47:26 punkman: I'm just a cretin

01:50:12 funkenstein_: accreting bitcoin i hope :)

01:52:22 punkman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRnvnb5z1WI

01:52:23 assbot: Mt. Idi Psiloritis ski descent ski touring Crete Greece - very icy conditions - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/2fnk2jR )

02:10:14 kakobrekla: that indeed looks terrible snow (ice?) to ski on

02:10:55 kakobrekla: view is nice tho

04:12:08 assbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/2376DC4A598D0B7FBCC1A66D71E36ADB37969120DC2D5B7C24BAEC8DD9FF5FD9 ; Phuctored: 170410286599368896161371174430883544585944678566466423087196938484946331242243851064242575354061495784084642470022788675941851830960275207940293214862660541614242514701795881081415996845373279153222015466427934683111572454602887909421865358725320183047933218295552576094740663594953898448284038927368320669563 divides RSA Moduli belong

04:12:09 assbot: ipinfo: 109.226.172.170, No Hostname, Schwedt (Oder), Brandenburg, DE, 53.0667,14.3000, AS21032 TELTA Citynetz GmbH, 16303

04:13:36 kakobrekla: internet of shit device?

05:14:00 davout: kakobrekla: blog looks up to me

05:14:13 davout: also ohai

05:14:18 davout: where're you moving?

07:38:07 punkman: in local lulz, burglars hit nearby house last night, they searched every last drawer/box/pillow but left all computers/tablets behind

07:38:36 punkman: ergo, computers are no longer worth anything?

07:50:08 davout: punkman: maybe were after something specific?

08:11:10 punkman: davout: dunno, but I've spotted two other recent cases in the news where computers were all left behind

08:11:48 punkman: maybe they are afraid of teh GPS TRACKERS

08:11:56 punkman: or they have enough shitdroid tablets already

08:34:44 punkman: https://www.olimex.com/Products/DIY%20Laptop/

08:34:45 assbot: DIY Laptop ... ( http://bit.ly/2f5wiKj )

08:51:16 pankkake: computers are complicated to sell, unless it's a mac (same for smartphones, iirc most of the ones stolen are iphones)

08:53:39 pankkake: I wonder what people would steal from me, I have either no fancy stuff, very hard to move, or very well hidden

08:55:08 pankkake: most valuable small items would be limited edition CDs/books, but you'd have to know

09:22:31 punkman: https://tonyarcieri.com/4-fatal-flaws-in-deterministic-password-managers

09:22:32 assbot: 4 fatal flaws in deterministic password managers ... ( http://bit.ly/2fo0ZWq )

09:49:17 davout: pankkake: my first guess would've been jewelry, gold coins, stuff like that

09:50:21 pankkake: that's the well hidden part

11:12:18 punkman: https://archive.wired.com/wired/archive/1.03/clarke_pr.html

11:12:19 assbot: 1.03: Arthur C. Clarke On Life ... ( http://bit.ly/2foazZp )

12:13:44 Framedragger: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=22-11-2016#1459680 << just read a note at the bottom saying "This accounting system is not intended for zero asset corporations, which distribute their net profit each month to shareholders. These will continue on the S.MPOE model. "

12:13:44 assbot: Logged on 22-11-2016 20:59:45; punkman: Framedragger: you might find this relevant http://fraudsters.com/2013/accounting-for-the-nonzero-asset-corporation-the-mpex-standard/

12:14:14 Framedragger: so supposedly bitbet did *not* use this "AN0" accounting system?

12:25:33 punkman: it did not

12:26:04 jurov: Framedragger: bitbet had to keep track of bets somehow. Just monthly reports pretended that it is irrelevant.

12:26:14 punkman: http://fraudsters.com/2014/bitbet-may-2014-statement/

12:26:15 assbot: BitBet, May 2014 Statement on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/2fonB9u )

12:27:17 jurov: and nobody seriously contested this perhaps because discussing with mp is hard

12:27:28 Framedragger: right, i see!

12:28:52 Framedragger: "Obviously this loss is not an actual loss but merely an accounting artefact, resulting from BitBet expending more than it has incoming." << hm, this sounds like "actual loss" :)

12:30:41 Framedragger: "as the zero asset model is in places clearly inadequate for the needs of BitBet (such as for instance the credits problem above), it is perhaps a good idea to update BitBet to the newer AN0 standard. This is something I am considering [...]" << ok even more confused.com

12:31:32 jurov: He Always Knows He Is Doing.

12:31:33 Framedragger: i don't get what 'accounting standard' bitbet in point of fact followed. but i probably am not being too thick and it's simpler than i pretend it to be

12:31:41 punkman: jurov, or nobody contested because going around fixing things that work is perhaps not very productive

12:31:51 Framedragger: s/am not/am/

12:32:33 jurov: punkman: did not quite work, he already had to fix bitbet's loss from own pocket

12:32:54 jurov: before that

12:33:52 kakobrekla: would really like to jump in but leaving for a hike, bbl

12:33:59 punkman: Framedragger: I don't think there was a written standard for zero ass corp

12:34:26 jurov: Framedragger: the 0ass model is basically that the owners pocket the proceeds of IPO and in exchange they pretend there are no running costs

12:34:26 punkman: but there is discussion of it in the comments of the nonzero asset blogpost

12:34:59 Framedragger: yeah. ok. thanks guys.

12:35:05 Framedragger: (makes sense)

12:39:10 jurov: um.. i don't think i ever expressed it so clearly. theoretically it is sound, but in practice when owners pay things out of their pocket instead of company's chest, it leads to mess

12:40:10 punkman: the point was that btc is necessarily in treasurer's pocket, which I think stands

12:40:52 punkman: the only alternative being, what, multisig?

13:35:57 Framedragger: ah, re. comment on davout's blog: http://fr.anco.is/2016/bitbet-proposed-settlement-transaction#comment-8578

13:35:58 assbot: BitBet proposed settlement transaction | fr.anco.is ... ( http://bit.ly/1pevZwK )

15:42:15 kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-11-2016#1460015 < well, he mounts a hallucination - when it turns out it does fit into reality, he quickly takes another dose of lsd and dreams up a fix for it. some idiots take it for granted and the rest asserts by presence. this same behaviour can be observed in churches - folk present there actually do not hold same beliefs, yet they assume their own coincide with ~all others present at the

15:42:15 assbot: Logged on 23-11-2016 12:31:32; jurov: He Always Knows He Is Doing.

15:42:16 kakobrekla: ceremony. i despise that, even if the noah story is really fucking cute.

15:43:14 kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-11-2016#1460027 < there is actually more to that than whats being said

15:43:14 assbot: Logged on 23-11-2016 12:39:10; jurov: um.. i don't think i ever expressed it so clearly. theoretically it is sound, but in practice when owners pay things out of their pocket instead of company's chest, it leads to mess

15:43:47 kakobrekla: one of the first arguments that surfaced was 'in the firat world, the company takes the hit when ceo fucks up'

15:44:01 kakobrekla: it is interesting to observe how quickly the fiatista mentaility was imported when it was handy to do so

15:44:26 kakobrekla: i also learend later that even in that despised system there are cases where ceo was actually personally liable for the misconduct and damage done

15:45:02 kakobrekla: secondly there is a difference between 'i fucked up, i pay', 'i fucked up, company pays' and 'the chinese fucked up, company pays'

15:45:15 kakobrekla: maybe next week the dolphins will fuck up and company pays again?

15:45:36 kakobrekla: that is not something im willing to entertain. he can have the non existing konspiracy only as long as he pays for it.

15:46:05 kakobrekla: thirdly, there is the issue of me having to assert and sign that fabrtication of his which clearly has nothing do with reality. the answer is no, fess up or gtfo.

15:48:04 kakobrekla: there was also the lulzy part of him comming up with a solution that required me recoding a part of bitbet to prevent such 'attack' in the future. riiight.

16:06:14 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: for the sake of argument, how would you have structured bbet if it had been your free will ?

16:06:47 asciilifeform: (in place of 'd00d A and dood B with B also judge,jury,executioner')

16:07:38 kakobrekla: if B is judge, jury, and executioner he can also pay bills.

16:08:22 asciilifeform: i presumed that kakobrekla believes the bbet organization scheme to have been a mistake.. this is not so ?

16:09:54 kakobrekla: you can be the king as long as you can carry the burden

16:27:28 asciilifeform: if you want to carry this analogy forward, kakobrekla was working as... vizier. and one of the burdens of vizier is to suck it up , even if king goes mad and starts pulling off strange tricks

16:28:17 asciilifeform: if vizier takes off his mantle and, in disgust, 'i've had enough, i quit' then -- king can also, and takes off crown, and becomes just angry d00d with machete.

16:28:51 asciilifeform: and when he takes off yer arms & legs, you can call it what you like, but to complain that it is 'un-kingly' behaviour is a bit rich imho.

16:30:35 asciilifeform: why should i or anyone close eyes to the vizier's retroactive rewriting of his obligations, if we are to consider the king's ?

16:32:15 Framedragger: are saying that BBET agreement can actually carry through such a picture/analogy/implied-relationship? seems a bit stretching, no?

16:32:18 Framedragger: you*

16:34:06 asciilifeform: Framedragger: to the extent that it was a crew of 2, with literally no provision for a 3rd or nth party to intervene

16:34:47 Framedragger: well, there's that, i suppose. no set course for arbitration, etc.

16:34:59 asciilifeform: (it is not my position that it 'ought to have had a 3rd'.)

16:35:29 kakobrekla: there is nothing wrong with 2

16:35:35 kakobrekla: as long as one does not batshit crazy

16:35:49 kakobrekla: then - problem.

16:36:11 Framedragger: these problems (between 'founders' etc) are not so uncommon though, i guess.

16:36:55 asciilifeform: 2 can carry on rather well if neither is living under the delusion that they are 'equals'

16:37:05 asciilifeform: then - problem.

16:37:32 asciilifeform: esp. if the aggrieved 'not so equal after all' tries to retroactively bring a 3rd party into the relationship ('the public', 'the forum', etc)

16:38:19 Framedragger: "we should just learn to love the king"

16:38:33 kakobrekla: we were equal in sense that both have to agree to X if we want to consider it valid, by the contract.

16:38:51 kakobrekla: and mind you, there is a difference between being king and playing king. he is playing.

16:39:17 asciilifeform: well you don't have to love the king. but if you're considering to work as vizier, and tie king's shoes for him, i recommend to think re whether you like him or not..

16:40:08 kakobrekla: the difference is that when playing king goes x, x does not actually happen.

16:40:44 kakobrekla: we can pretend it happens, but thats about as far as it goes.

16:42:18 asciilifeform: every man king of his castle, or how did it go.

16:42:46 asciilifeform: btw if the castle kakobrekla was kicked out from is so insignificantly small, it is hard to see why the blow stung so.

16:43:09 kakobrekla: idk why you keep thinking i was kicked out, you must be confused.

16:43:40 asciilifeform: referring to kakobrekla's expulsion from mpex

16:43:47 kakobrekla: ah

16:44:28 kakobrekla: im just impressed to see gypsy finally gyp and everyone looking away and pretend it didnt happen

16:44:49 asciilifeform: possibly not everyone agrees re who is the 'gypsy', and who -- whom

16:45:04 kakobrekla: well yeah lots of confused fellas roaming the earth

16:45:14 kakobrekla: not arguing with that

16:45:20 kakobrekla: brb coffee

17:06:30 kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-11-2016#1460072 < i think it went 'fake money, real losses' :)

17:06:30 assbot: Logged on 23-11-2016 16:42:18; asciilifeform: every man king of his castle, or how did it go.

17:11:21 asciilifeform: from my perch, seems like kakobrekla luuuuved mpex/mpoe while they were busy crediting his account with tall, tall pile of btc in exchange for doing ~0 work

17:11:30 asciilifeform: then, when for equally little reason, stopped - not so great.

17:12:15 asciilifeform: it is also my understanding that kakobrekla did manage to retain most of said pile.

17:12:20 Framedragger: 0 work when the guy had done all the programming etc work (acknowledged by mp)?

17:12:32 asciilifeform: all of the programming, then 'fire & forget'

17:12:35 kakobrekla: programmig is not work

17:12:45 kakobrekla: nor is keeping systems up

17:12:58 kakobrekla: and checking stuff every fucking day.

17:13:11 asciilifeform: how many minutes per day of bbet operation did it cost kakobrekla , if i might ask

17:13:46 kakobrekla: you will not get what i did for that price anywhere else on this planet.

17:13:52 asciilifeform: granted

17:13:53 Framedragger: (i don't really understand how this is relevant tho)

17:14:10 asciilifeform: just as you will not get phuctor 'for the price'

17:14:32 asciilifeform: (incidentally it is at least as mechanically complicated as bbet, and i spend a good 20-30 min on it every single day of the year, for 0 pay)

17:15:26 jurov: asciilifeform: it's possible the my mpex work/reward ratio is much lower than kako's. he should have cut me off, too, by that logic.

17:15:26 asciilifeform: Framedragger: it is relevant because kakobrekla made mega-bank not only on bbet ipo, but on having working mpex acct and riding the mpoe train

17:15:57 asciilifeform: jurov: implication is not 'cut off because ratio low' but that kakobrekla has mighty cheek to cry 'scam' when he made megatonne of coin from -- largely -- thin air

17:16:32 asciilifeform: fact remains -- if mpoe was pyramid (and i am not convinced that it was, ftr) kakobrekla -- profited.

17:16:56 asciilifeform: and is about to take oceanic voyage on the profits, all the while laughing at us idiots who work for a living.

17:16:58 jurov: lol i even paid adlai for botting s.mpoe , and profited too

17:17:30 jurov: then the trade suddenly ceased

17:17:35 jurov: and then bitbet happened

17:17:39 kakobrekla: i did not profit from 'riding mpex train' or whatever

17:17:56 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: the 1000s of btc came from where ?

17:18:03 asciilifeform: mars?

17:18:03 kakobrekla: which 1000s?

17:18:08 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: yours

17:18:26 kakobrekla: i got ~500 from mpex, ~500 of which was from bbet ipo

17:18:32 asciilifeform: so -- mpex.

17:18:32 kakobrekla: the rest of coins have nothing to do with mpex

17:18:42 jurov: asciilifeform: you imply they came from mircea?

17:18:53 kakobrekla: alf is confused

17:18:54 asciilifeform: i have nfi where mpex gets coin. maybe -- from mars.

17:19:05 jurov: from usg !!!!! :D :D

17:19:19 kakobrekla: he says alibaba should give money to nyse because they ipoed there

17:19:30 kakobrekla: not relaizing nyse already billed them by their book

17:19:44 asciilifeform: go and try and ipo from your front door, without intermediaries, see where you get.

17:19:47 kakobrekla: and took commission and so on

17:21:36 asciilifeform: if kakobrekla indeed 'could have done it all alone', why didn't he ?

17:21:52 Framedragger: my airline is so nice to me that i won't really see an issue with it stealing my luggage every once in a while

17:22:00 kakobrekla: if mp could have done it alone, why doesnt he (again) ?

17:22:20 asciilifeform: Framedragger: this is rather more like if a hijacker complains that the airline stole his luggage after he was arrested

17:22:29 kakobrekla: lol

17:22:34 jurov: lol

17:22:39 kakobrekla: alf is so confused

17:22:41 Framedragger: right, now we are into hijacker territory, that's nice

17:22:59 kakobrekla: kings and highjackers and luggge and dolphins

17:23:09 kakobrekla: a real circus short of clowns arent we

17:23:13 kakobrekla: o wait, we have those too

17:23:41 asciilifeform: you forgot 'wild west' also

17:23:46 asciilifeform: where kakobrekla took his knife to the gun fight

17:23:49 asciilifeform: and got perforated.

17:23:57 kakobrekla: right right...

17:24:20 jurov: really, who hijacked bitbet by taking unilateral decisions?

17:24:21 kakobrekla: whats the mpex volume this month

17:24:24 kakobrekla: can someone tell me?

17:24:35 jurov: 0.7 BTC iirc. all s.qntr sales

17:24:50 kakobrekla: so, a new loss leader emerges

17:24:55 asciilifeform: ~= to asciilifeform's electric bill

17:25:29 kakobrekla: im just gonna take the credit of killing mpex

17:25:37 asciilifeform: jurov: afaik most aspects of bbet operation were made of 'unilateral decision'

17:25:38 kakobrekla: with 18 btc or what was it

17:25:56 asciilifeform: or did kakobrekla confer with mircea_popescu before updating even 1 line of code

17:25:59 kakobrekla: this is the place where alf hallucintes gain

17:26:08 kakobrekla: again*

17:26:29 asciilifeform: if kakobrekla tells that they conferred every single time a button was pressed ...

17:26:32 asciilifeform: i might even believe him

17:26:34 kakobrekla: yes, minor details (of the 0.1 btc variety) were always disucssed

17:27:03 asciilifeform: sooo you two discussed every single payout separately ?

17:27:06 asciilifeform: and both signed off..?

17:27:21 kakobrekla: both no, because he does not think multisig is a thing afaik

17:27:30 asciilifeform: not in the gavinsig sense

17:27:34 asciilifeform: but in the 'i agree' sense

17:27:57 kakobrekla: many payouts were cross checked

17:27:59 kakobrekla: not all.

17:29:01 asciilifeform: very clearly not all.

17:30:34 kakobrekla: there were a bunch of cases where he went "do you agree this should resolve as x" or "do you have any objections resolving this so-and-so" and similar

17:30:58 asciilifeform: btw iirc neither of you ever spilled the beans re who it was who 'moderated', resolved, etc and how

17:31:13 asciilifeform: who did the daily sweat of running the site, and in exchange for what.

17:32:02 kakobrekla: resolving was done by mp and hanbot under the disguise of 'moderators'.

17:32:23 kakobrekla: but it was passed by me when neccesary obvisously

17:32:28 asciilifeform: why, out of curiosity, so certain that it was hanbot

17:32:34 asciilifeform: and not some other

17:32:39 kakobrekla: because i was giving out the access

17:44:14 kakobrekla: anyway this convo defo reminds me of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnTmBjk-M0c

17:44:16 assbot: Monty Python - Argument Clinic - YouTube

18:34:33 kakobrekla: http://www.faz.net/frankfurter-allgemeine-zeitung/16-kilogramm-hanf-gefunden-student-baut-zwei-fast-perfekte-hanfplantagen-13063675.html

18:34:35 assbot: 16 Kilogramm Hanf gefunden: Student baut zwei fast perfekte Hanfplantagen - Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung - FAZ ... ( http://bit.ly/2frYZQa )

18:34:41 kakobrekla: "So good that even the judge at the regional court in Frankfurt adorned: "They have sold good quality at fair prices."

18:35:54 Framedragger: the prosecutor agreed, too! :)

18:36:01 kakobrekla: :)

20:35:29 kakobrekla: punkman spoke of robbery, my good friend was robbed in Johannesburg today. they were dressed as cops and only took cash, left him his passport and laptop, not sure about phone.

20:35:47 asciilifeform: we have these in usa

20:35:48 kakobrekla: "my rapist was so kind, fucked me in the ass only!!"

20:40:43 pankkake: it's actually common. less trouble

20:41:09 pankkake: especially if you can spot the tourists

20:41:22 asciilifeform: i was speaking of the american tradition of police taking any quantity of cash they may happen to come across, esp. during a 'random' road stop.

20:42:17 kakobrekla: ah yeah they have a name for that which escapes me now

20:42:18 asciilifeform: not as a bribe, either, but simply physically take, with hands, from your pocket, into his.

20:42:25 asciilifeform: 'civil forfeiture'

20:42:34 kakobrekla: that

20:42:50 kakobrekla: well, the station gets it supposedly

20:42:54 pankkake: I don't remember the law here but I'm pretty sure we have quantities of cash that are considered "suspcious"

20:43:07 pankkake: and it's illegal to transact with cash over a certain amount

20:43:10 kakobrekla: so they can buy more coffee and donuts

20:43:44 asciilifeform: pankkake: in usa , even better, it is a criminal offense to attempt to transact with a lower amount to get around 'suspicious' limit (the exact limit varies by bank and is always secret)

20:43:52 asciilifeform: it is called 'structuring', i shit thee not.

20:44:10 pankkake: we have that too :)))

20:44:13 kakobrekla: yep

20:45:11 asciilifeform: i once had to wait two weeks to cash a (paper!) check (and from no less than u.s. dod!) on account of this idiocy.

20:45:35 pankkake: anything over 5000€ would go to fintrac automatically (but now it's even lower)

20:45:55 pankkake: and I'm probably guilty of it, having made a similar transaction in less than a month

20:46:07 kakobrekla: its 10k here afaik, but it really comes down to bank empoyees

20:46:27 kakobrekla: if they think they you should be reported they report, if you they think not, they dont

20:46:44 kakobrekla: -you

20:46:45 asciilifeform: iirc they have quota of reports to fill

20:46:51 asciilifeform: (just as traffic cops etc)

20:46:55 kakobrekla: not here

20:47:02 *: kakobrekla has info from inside the bank

20:47:16 asciilifeform: not formally here either, but in the sense where it will look strange to handlers if they have 0 reports in x yrs

20:48:06 asciilifeform: all 'we catch mice' setups have some -- often informal -- number of expected mice-caught-per-month etc

21:02:19 kakobrekla: uk tards do it again http://betanews.com/2016/11/23/online-porn-censorship-uk/

21:02:22 assbot: No kinky online sex, please -- we're British!

21:09:38 Framedragger: oh yeah, they're pushing on surveillance and censorship hard, just passed that "make all ISPs record browsing history" law, etc

21:10:18 Framedragger: incidentally i found this in a uk subreddit ("scottish grindr users on the eu referendum"): http://machotrouts.tumblr.com/post/146007685930/remaindr?is_related_post=1

21:10:19 assbot: Tumblr sensation machotrouts, Scottish Grindr users on the EU referendum ... ( http://bit.ly/2fst2r0 )

21:15:36 kakobrekla: you plan on staying in uk for this or what

21:16:05 Framedragger: most likely imma be out of uk come summer

21:16:25 kakobrekla: back to lt?

21:18:30 Framedragger: not sure yet, depends on job etc, but it's the most likely thing to happen. back to lt for the summer, then will see. tbh i have a distinctive lack of plan re. this; a lot of it depends on income / remote work opportunities which i should seek/rekindle when i become less busy..

21:19:05 Framedragger: but yeah, family etc in lt in the summer, i think.

21:19:15 kakobrekla: what do you do in uk anyway

21:19:18 Framedragger: (you're very welcome to drop by!)

21:19:22 kakobrekla: except for watching porn

21:19:39 kakobrekla: well, not watching it now i guess.

21:20:23 Framedragger: study (last year) and work in local small financial firm advising on software valuation projects part-time, not too ambitious. (job started in co. as sysadmin+IT, now manage a dude who does that but overall it's boring and i'm lazy which is bad, etc)

21:20:53 Framedragger: yah, don't know, horribru surveillance is horribru

21:20:53 kakobrekla: is the pay any good?

21:21:29 Framedragger: notrly. i've come to like living cheap / under budget, so able to save some, etc. it's not full-time tho.

21:21:47 kakobrekla: ah

21:22:15 kakobrekla: nothing wrong with having some free time

21:22:24 Framedragger: thing is, with actual-studying, i've come to appreciate stable predictable low-income pay, vs. freelance-programming-cowboy-etc, which i've also done. maybe when i become l33t i can do latter to my heart's content, dunno

21:22:48 Framedragger: (that is to say, not gonna look for anything else till i graduate in june)

21:23:56 kakobrekla: arguably you are more vounerable relaying on a single gig even if that one presents itself as stable

21:24:18 kakobrekla: you never know when chinese konspiraci hits ya

21:24:24 Framedragger: (overall it's about fuckin' time i moved, i've considered living in portugal for awhile, nice people and low cost of living, and doing remote work.)

21:24:53 Framedragger: there's that! wonder what boss'd say if i opened a konspiraci contingency file

21:26:03 kakobrekla: :D

21:26:28 Framedragger: and kakobrekla is cooking some s33krit thing, and is then off for some travelling, i take it :)

21:26:48 kakobrekla: hehe

21:27:19 kakobrekla: tbh i plan on bringing it to a level when some folks here can take over daily operations and i just code remotely as i please

21:27:38 kakobrekla: if this is going to work out remains to be seen

21:27:49 Framedragger: sounds pretty cool and worth a decent try

22:32:20 kakobrekla: pankkake any info on this http://imgur.com/a/0rma1

22:32:21 assbot: Imgur: The most awesome images on the Internet ... ( http://bit.ly/2fsH5Nb )

22:36:35 kakobrekla: unrelated to anything http://i.imgur.com/oqR2tR4.jpg

22:36:36 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/2fsO7Sb )

22:36:57 *: kakobrekla close enough

22:41:31 Framedragger: hilarious

22:42:17 Framedragger: i'm yet to induce an italian epileptic shock with the well-known "put ketchup on pasta" method, but a time will come

22:42:27 kakobrekla: l0l

22:42:54 kakobrekla: its interesting to observe that we have a lot of italian food tourism here

22:42:57 kakobrekla: they come to slovenia to eat.

22:56:02 Framedragger: how curious. maybe something-something 'to gaze at self from the Other' something

22:56:07 Framedragger: heh

22:57:31 pankkake: kakobrekla: it's real, ~200 people are in (not me), the operators made a few rookie mistakes and their identity is public

22:58:19 asciilifeform: wat's that, 311117 w4r3z ?

22:59:20 pankkake: pretty much, but with music and hipsters

23:00:10 pankkake: http://www.factmag.com/2016/11/23/what-cd-secret-music-sharing-pirate-paradise/

23:00:11 assbot: Why secret album-sharing forum What.CD was a pirate paradise ... ( http://bit.ly/2fsJisa )

23:00:51 Framedragger: wait, what.cd is out???

23:00:54 Framedragger: oh fuck njo

23:01:06 Framedragger: fuck me that's sad :(

23:01:35 kakobrekla: dude dont you read this chan ?

23:01:43 Framedragger: all the meticulously catalogued-by-style-and-bitrate albums and collections, and nice kommunity

23:01:49 Framedragger: 'cause i'm prejudiced, or something

23:02:00 kakobrekla: we have been mourning all week or something

23:02:10 Framedragger: aghh

23:02:16 asciilifeform: l0l! next you'll tell me what, that the last dodo was alive until last week also ?

23:02:35 Framedragger: kakobrekla: in truth, eventually i read, but been a busy few days

23:03:22 Framedragger: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-12-2014#953229 << cool stuff

23:03:22 assbot: Logged on 14-12-2014 20:22:19; kakobrekla: >This [invite] tree has 1,062 entries, 254 branches, and a depth of 7. It has 769 Users (72%), 221 Members (21%), 62 Power Users (6%), 9 Elites (1%) and 1 Elite TM (0%). 595 users are disabled (56%), and 102 users have donated (10%).

23:03:34 *: Framedragger had small-time account, never was able to properly seed, once donated in btc

23:03:35 kakobrekla: aha

23:04:09 kakobrekla: i interviewed about 500 folks for the invite, hence big tree

23:04:59 kakobrekla: pankkake will you be getting in or you think its moot

23:05:25 Framedragger: pankkake: pretty nice article

23:05:42 pankkake: hopefully in the next few days, they're not really recruiting from wwhat I can understand. and alternatives may apppear

23:06:01 pankkake: there's a private channel for ex-torrent masters and nothing of substance came out yet

23:06:17 kakobrekla: i feel short of that, got lazy

23:06:25 Framedragger: "in"? as in, successor? godspeed

23:06:33 kakobrekla: hit me up if you get some swag

23:06:54 pankkake: waffles (which is actually older) might come back, but it's not as neatly organized

23:07:13 pankkake: only taking donations currently :|

23:07:26 *: kakobrekla also can do that

23:07:36 pankkake: I definitively have waffles invites, so

23:08:06 kakobrekla: ok lets see how this plays out

23:09:01 Framedragger: is what.cd's database gone for good?

23:09:44 pankkake: they claim it is

23:10:26 pankkake: the requests were pretty much my shopping list, how am I going to know what to buy now?!

23:11:33 kakobrekla: myea

23:11:46 kakobrekla: shame for not releasing db

23:11:53 Framedragger: yeah.

23:13:28 pankkake: the circlejerks about building a decentralized successor read awfully familiar

23:13:33 pankkake: no blockchains were sparred

23:13:39 kakobrekla: l0l!

23:14:16 Framedragger: ah, the lets-decentralize-after-$x-is-bust lifecycle

23:14:57 Framedragger: i mean, i wonder if anyone's proposed any interesting designs... take kademlia, and add as little as possible, etc

23:15:27 Framedragger: i'll be sad about what.cd for a while. and re. decentralization, lol @ https://www.reddit.com/r/trackers/

23:15:32 assbot: Discussion of public & private trackers ... ( http://bit.ly/2fsQ4hs )

23:16:32 Framedragger: "NoStream's IRC and Tracker Are on the Same French OVH Server"

23:17:01 kakobrekla: dis a joke ?

23:18:13 Framedragger: dunno

23:18:50 Framedragger: fuckin' ovh, it runs half of tor network lol (probably not a joke, can check at https://compass.torproject.org/ )

23:18:51 assbot: Compass ... ( http://bit.ly/2fsOVGE )

23:18:53 pankkake: yeah, and the guy is also pretty much doxed (plenty of drama/pics on /g/)

23:19:01 Framedragger: nasty

23:19:06 kakobrekla: dont tell me its some 13 yo

23:19:19 kakobrekla: "i know github"

23:23:18 Framedragger: https://github.com/WhatCD/Gazelle/blob/master/classes/users.class.php#L376-L378 << hmm i guess this is passable

23:23:19 assbot: Gazelle/users.class.php at master · WhatCD/Gazelle · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/2fsPjos )

23:25:12 kakobrekla: check the comment above the func :)

23:25:38 Framedragger: d'oh! aha so they use crypt() now