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Transcript for 23-12-2013, 699 lines:

00:00:31 benkay: potatoes can be had though

00:00:37 benkay: here, a freebie:

00:00:41 benkay: http://blog.standardcrypto.com/2013/08/01/willet-or-wont-it-mastercoin/

00:00:42 ozbot: Willet or Won’t It? (Mastercoin) | StandardCrypto

00:01:15 ivstr28: lol posted aug 1

00:01:35 benkay: no appreciation for history.

00:01:36 ivstr28: all work on the project since then is irrelevent

00:02:11 benkay: all work ever done on mastercoin is irrelevant.

00:03:30 ivstr28: because its stupid

00:04:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 500 @ 0.001 = 0.5 BTC

00:06:14 benkay: mastercoin has reversable transactions

00:06:31 benkay: i can't even fathom the mind that decided that a return to the broken past was necessary.

00:07:35 ivstr28: so you thought the white paper on decentralized applications was bullshit too right?

00:11:19 benkay: the david johnston paper?

00:13:11 benkay: ivstr28: the david johnston paper?

00:13:25 ivstr28: yeah

00:13:37 ivstr28: ron gross and two other guys are on it too

00:18:03 benkay: well its pretty badly written to begin with

00:18:48 benkay: and until someone pays me for a thorough fisking it will just have to languish in the obscurity that is the attention of the altcoin/I matter circlejerk.

00:21:25 benkay: ivstr28: see above.

00:23:08 ivstr28: roj

00:49:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15171 @ 0.00084154 = 12.767 BTC [-]

01:01:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9066 @ 0.00084182 = 7.6319 BTC [+]

01:08:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.00280978 = 1.4049 BTC [-] {9}

01:10:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 84 @ 0.00280002 = 0.2352 BTC [-]

01:11:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 416 @ 0.00280001 = 1.1648 BTC [-]

01:12:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 21 @ 0.04999942 = 1.05 BTC [-] {2}

01:32:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2784 @ 0.00012 = 0.3341 BTC [+]

01:40:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7736 @ 0.00084154 = 6.5102 BTC [-]

02:02:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 80 @ 0.0029 = 0.232 BTC [+]

02:04:10 benkay: gotta love that average order size

02:08:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 6 @ 0.02429999 = 0.1458 BTC [+]

02:11:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31350 @ 0.00084146 = 26.3798 BTC [-] {2}

02:30:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8150 @ 0.00084484 = 6.8854 BTC [+] {2}

02:32:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.31000003 = 0.62 BTC [-] {2}

02:35:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.0008456 = 4.228 BTC [+]

02:37:45 nubbins`: hi

02:42:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.05 = 0.25 BTC [+]

02:58:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9350 @ 0.00084614 = 7.9114 BTC [+] {3}

03:06:30 nubbins`: hm

03:06:47 nubbins`: i wonder, is there a market for custom one-off tees with your public key printed on the front

03:06:52 nubbins`: maybe the ultimate nerd shirt

03:09:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13443 @ 0.0008423 = 11.323 BTC [-] {2}

03:10:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1207 @ 0.00084055 = 1.0145 BTC [-]

03:12:16 benkay: sounds ugly as fuck

03:12:21 nubbins`: hahaha

03:12:24 nubbins`: well yeah

03:12:33 nubbins`: courier new font, natch

03:12:42 nubbins`: it's a nerd shirt, they're all ugly

03:13:39 nubbins`: http://www.thinkgeek.com/product/5d6a/

03:13:40 ozbot: ThinkGeek :: There's no place like 127.0.0.1

03:13:43 nubbins`: many are groan-worthy

03:13:57 nubbins`: at least a shirt with your pgp key would have some utility

03:14:12 nubbins`: not much, mind you -- good luck getting the key off the shirt and into your computer -- but still

03:14:19 benkay: a tiny barely-there stencil over the breast pocket might be nice

03:14:22 benkay: possibly stitched

03:14:24 nubbins`: hm

03:14:30 nubbins`: how about black ink on a black shirt?

03:14:56 nubbins`: you'd have to catch the shine to read it

03:16:53 mod6: you could have a QR code on your shirt that was just your public key or whatever..

03:16:57 KRS|Gotyawallet: ;;seen jurov

03:16:58 gribble: jurov was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 hours, 39 minutes, and 14 seconds ago: <jurov> no, santa gankin'

03:18:24 KRS|Gotyawallet: ;;tell jurov later just-dice user study completed..interesting results..time is a function of random number chosen, time passing increases entropy, next data gathering, will probably use perl

03:21:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2250 @ 0.00084055 = 1.8912 BTC [-]

03:30:37 kakobrekla: whats the result? 42?

03:31:46 nubbins`: yeah

03:32:09 kakobrekla: !jd

03:32:09 assbot: Just-Dice stat: 10657 BTC profit, 35.5k BTC invested, 371.70 mio bets, 4.65 mio BTC wagered

03:32:54 nubbins`: mod6: nobody's going to scan a qr code on a shirt, because chances are it's not worth it

03:33:21 nubbins`: at least with plain text, you can decide yourself whether it's worth the effort

03:56:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00084645 = 7.9566 BTC [+] {2}

04:30:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6850 @ 0.00084055 = 5.7578 BTC [-]

04:41:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.05 = 0.5 BTC [+]

05:24:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5500 @ 0.00012 = 0.66 BTC [+]

05:32:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17247 @ 0.00084549 = 14.5822 BTC [+] {3}

05:39:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.0657 = 0.1971 BTC [-]

06:01:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.02429998 = 0.1215 BTC [+]

06:02:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.02429999 = 0.1215 BTC [+]

06:15:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3923 @ 0.00084085 = 3.2987 BTC [-]

06:19:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5650 @ 0.00084083 = 4.7507 BTC [-] {2}

06:46:00 KRS|Gotyawallet: Wtf does this place die when the U.S. sleeps?

07:08:07 Namworld: More or less

07:13:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8838 @ 0.00084149 = 7.4371 BTC [+]

07:20:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15747 @ 0.00084286 = 13.2725 BTC [+] {2}

07:30:43 benkay: nubbins' this whole pubkey in public thing is a bit declasse, you know? "here's where you can send me money" printed on things is a bit tacky.

07:31:13 benkay: now as part of a jewelry, discreet and all, that might be an interesting thing.

07:31:55 dio_: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=339544.0 did this guy lose $7k because his originating transfer from a dumb company didnt include a 7 cents-or-so transaction fee

07:31:57 ozbot: BitBet Stole ~$7,000 from me (10 BTC)

07:32:45 dio_: ?

07:33:03 benkay: no because his transaction didn't clear before the deadline

07:33:19 benkay: subtle distinction many people fail to understand. requires intimate understanding of the blockchain etc.

07:33:20 dio_: didnt clear because the lack of transaction fee...

07:33:27 dio_: unless you didnt read that

07:33:43 benkay: it may as well say "because he's an idiot who doesn't understand the bitcoin protocol"

07:33:58 benkay: people who don't understand how things actually work are generally going to fuck themselves.

07:35:14 dio_: was the originating transfer from a dumb company that dint include an approximate 7 cent transsaciton fee that would have accleerated propgaation of the transaction enough to be acceptec by thte deadline? if not yes or no....any guess on probability?

07:36:24 dio_: i can run that through spell check if anyones having issues

07:40:07 dio_: seems to be the case

07:41:24 benkay: yup sounds right to me

07:41:42 benkay: basically some idiot had a dependency in his financial toolchain whose impacts on sending money he didn't understand.

07:41:59 dio_: no reason to spout ad hominems...

07:42:19 dio_: i was trying to be logical

07:42:31 benkay: it is the fate of all who do not grok their computation platforms to forever wail and thrash in incompetent rage at their continuing inability to do business and acquire as much capital as their self-image indicates they should have

07:42:37 benkay: this story is SO OLD

07:42:46 dio_: huh?

07:43:01 benkay: precisely.

07:43:20 dio_: passive aggresive, i see

07:46:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12803 @ 0.00084517 = 10.8207 BTC [+]

07:46:17 dio_: i just wnated to make sure, that dude got screwed out of 7k becuase he transfered from a dumb company that didnt pay an approximate 7 cent transaction fee

07:46:36 dio_: which, out of the guys defense, would be (dangerously) assumed to be included

07:46:39 dio_: but...eh..

07:47:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6497 @ 0.00084572 = 5.4946 BTC [+]

07:47:04 benkay: ;;ticker

07:47:04 gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 670.41403, Best ask: 678.59398, Bid-ask spread: 8.17995, Last trade: 670.414, 24 hour volume: 13690.56230659, 24 hour low: 630.0, 24 hour high: 700.0, 24 hour vwap: 666.96364

07:47:07 dio_: a logical person would smell collusion

07:47:17 dio_: but eh....not everything is logical

07:47:27 benkay: between the other 'wallet' and bitbet?

07:47:37 benkay: ;;ticker

07:47:38 gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 671.005, Best ask: 678.59396, Bid-ask spread: 7.58896, Last trade: 670.414, 24 hour volume: 13689.99901707, 24 hour low: 630.0, 24 hour high: 700.0, 24 hour vwap: 666.96373

07:48:04 dio_: i dunno

07:48:11 dio_: u tell me

07:48:24 benkay: a logical person wouldn't smell anything but stupid

07:48:48 benkay: if you can't handle txn fees, and you don't understand their impact on transactions, you don't hold bitcoin for long.

07:49:02 dio_: who are you talking to?

07:49:51 benkay: well the 'you' thing is a conversational construct

07:49:57 benkay: i could just as well have written 'one'

07:50:27 benkay: but it's really for you.

07:51:00 dio_: try and answer questions quicker dude

07:51:11 benkay: you're investigating this months old thing where someone tried to slip in under the wire of a bet before it closed, but sent from a not-really-a-wallet-wallet and so didn't have a txn fee, which meant their txn had to wait for the first friendly miner including zero fee blocks.

07:51:42 benkay: blocks -> transactions

07:51:54 benkay: i'm trying to give you a bigger perspective here

07:51:57 benkay: bitcoin is hard

07:52:04 benkay: u can't bitcoin, u no has bitcoin eventually

07:52:24 dio_: why are you strawmaning

07:54:41 dio_: i guess that was a rhetorical question, my bad

08:07:12 Vexual: whats pink and hard?

08:07:56 benkay: dunno v whazzat?

08:08:04 Vexual: a pig with a flick knife

08:08:12 benkay: har har har

08:08:21 benkay: http://greatbooksformen.wordpress.com/2013/10/03/newsflash-ben-bernanke-originally-wrote-miley-cyruss-hit-song-we-cant-stop-as-a-fedzlz-mission-statetemenstz-lzzoizzlzoz/

08:08:23 ozbot: NEWSFLASH BEN BERNANKE originally wrote MILEY CYRUS’S hit song WE CAN’T STOP as a FEDzlz mission

08:13:44 Vexual: what would bitcoin barbie come with?

08:18:38 benkay: dunno vex hit me

08:18:54 Vexual: im not sure if thet should be a crude joke or a tshirt for nubbins

08:18:56 benkay: come with or come on?

08:20:13 Vexual: the crude joke punchline would be "nothing, she is vaginaless@

08:20:59 Vexual: but in the existing box, would it be tulips and lsd?

08:21:18 benkay: why tulips?

08:21:45 Vexual: i heard it said once, im not sure of the correlation

08:23:30 Vexual: rented servers and a maserati?

08:24:22 benkay: you don't rent servers this is bitcoin

08:24:49 benkay: locked cages and asics?

08:25:36 Vexual: miner barbie

08:28:43 Vexual: deaf with a heat rash

08:43:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15800 @ 0.00084199 = 13.3034 BTC [-] {2}

09:04:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00084225 = 7.9172 BTC [+] {3}

09:29:02 Vexual: http://fishconsult.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Fishing-boat-in-Khasab-Oman.jpg

09:30:02 Vexual: bitcoin barbie

09:31:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8750 @ 0.00084473 = 7.3914 BTC [+]

10:04:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8000 @ 0.00084387 = 6.751 BTC [-] {2}

10:12:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10452 @ 0.00084101 = 8.7902 BTC [-]

10:21:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11300 @ 0.00084376 = 9.5345 BTC [+] {3}

10:28:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4483 @ 0.00084054 = 3.7681 BTC [-] {2}

11:02:45 Vexual: http://vimeo.com/61341838

11:02:46 ozbot: Bob Dylan - Isis (1976) on Vimeo

11:18:33 Vexual: the word scam flys around a lot in bitcoinia

11:19:02 Vexual: heres a scam, 55 days interest free, but if you dont make a payment every month theres a late fee

11:19:19 Diablo-D3: not at all

11:19:34 Vexual: no scammy?

11:19:40 Diablo-D3: some companies DO make "no payments until future date" things

11:19:44 Diablo-D3: not all of them are

11:19:54 Diablo-D3: no interest != doesn't have to cover minimum payment

11:20:01 Diablo-D3: no interest is no interest

11:20:16 Vexual: so whats that called? sneaky?

11:20:17 Diablo-D3: and Ive seen ones which have interest but have "no payment until the future"

11:20:25 Diablo-D3: Vexual: its called standard business practices

11:20:36 Diablo-D3: its not even sneaky if they're up front about it

11:20:46 Diablo-D3: they have to inform you what your minimum monthly is anyhow, by law

11:20:58 Diablo-D3: before you sign

11:21:15 Vexual: you're right

11:21:20 jurov: http://onbitcoin.com/2013/12/22/bloomberg-exposes-bitcoin-paper-wallet-private-key-tv-gets-stolen/ hahaha

11:21:20 ozbot: Bloomberg Exposes Bitcoin Paper Wallet Private Key on TV, Gets Stolen | On Bitcoin

11:21:43 Vexual: bloomberg is going out, anyon know about the new mayor?

11:22:21 Diablo-D3: Vexual: bloomberg, the mayor != bloomberg the news outlet

11:22:35 Vexual: yeah i know, his tenure is up soon

11:22:43 Diablo-D3: good

11:22:47 Diablo-D3: nyc needs a better mayor

11:22:53 Diablo-D3: and the word tenure is wrong

11:22:56 Vexual: fucking juliani

11:23:06 Vexual: whatever im not american

11:23:13 Diablo-D3: tenture does not "go up", it comes into existance after being there for ten years

11:23:21 Diablo-D3: its an xbox achievement of life.

11:23:35 Diablo-D3: it means something in acadameia but nowhere else

11:23:41 Diablo-D3: the word you're looking for is term

11:23:44 Diablo-D3: his term is up

11:23:46 Vexual: thnaks

11:25:01 Vexual: right or wrong, whats the deal?

11:25:14 Diablo-D3: what do you mean

11:25:31 Vexual: do you know anything about this new guy?

11:25:34 Diablo-D3: nope

11:25:48 Diablo-D3: I don't particularly pay attention to small time politics like that

11:26:04 Vexual: its the world city

11:26:17 Diablo-D3: its a city, and the guy is still a mayor

11:27:04 Vexual: he can fart and make a law for every guy that works on wall st

11:27:12 Diablo-D3: not really.

11:27:24 Diablo-D3: thats up to congress

11:27:36 Diablo-D3: ny state rarely interferes with financial concerns like that

11:27:54 Diablo-D3: nyc isnt even the biggest city in the world

11:28:11 Vexual: i know its kinda academic, but he influences peoples lives

11:28:23 Diablo-D3: he does

11:28:26 Diablo-D3: but not in major ways

11:29:03 Diablo-D3: now, where people park? where schools are built (but not the funding to build)? how many black people get arrested for being black? thats totally the mayor's thing

11:30:01 Diablo-D3: hell, even the building of the new WTC, the mayor's office had very little input on it and would have to sign off on it no matter if they liked it or not due to how high profile it is

11:30:45 Vexual: youre probably right

11:31:08 Vexual: ydo you think he has more power in his news agency?

11:31:14 Diablo-D3: its not his

11:31:34 Diablo-D3: but he IS distantly related to the guy who started it

11:31:58 Vexual: have you been to new york?

11:32:05 Diablo-D3: ...

11:32:06 Diablo-D3: wtf

11:32:12 Diablo-D3: you've got to be kidding me

11:32:15 Diablo-D3: I just fact checked myself

11:32:16 Vexual: new paragraph

11:32:18 Diablo-D3: not only am I wrong

11:32:23 Diablo-D3: but he started it.

11:32:57 Diablo-D3: Bloomberg L.P. is a privately held financial software, data and media company headquartered in New York City. Bloomberg L.P. was founded by Michael Bloomberg in 1981 with the help of Thomas Secunda, Duncan MacMillan, Charles Zegar[6] and a 30% ownership investment by Merrill Lynch.

11:33:01 Diablo-D3: I now like him even less.

11:33:22 Vexual: do you also dislike the yakuza boss that runs tokyo?

11:34:51 Vexual: democracy

11:35:58 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WutGkPePnCU

11:35:59 ozbot: Black Eyed Peas My Humps Outro "So Real" Cleanly Edited Extended Version - YouTube

11:36:43 Diablo-D3: there is more than one yakuza boss, btw

11:36:54 Diablo-D3: but the one you're thinking of, hes actually a pretty cool dude

11:37:47 Vexual: i dont know who im thinking of and i dont want to

11:37:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.00084287 = 4.4672 BTC [+] {2}

11:38:28 Diablo-D3: Well, I assume Kenichi Shinoda

11:38:37 Diablo-D3: its who everyone thinks of when they think Yakuza.

11:39:31 Vexual: i didnt know the name before

11:41:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8500 @ 0.00084505 = 7.1829 BTC [+]

11:42:18 Vexual: what a cyberpunk future we live in huh?

11:42:26 Diablo-D3: I guess.

11:42:36 Vexual: wonka bars and electric cars

11:43:13 Vexual: global reserve that can change hands anywhere in a second

11:48:15 Diablo-D3: yup

11:48:22 Diablo-D3: its the end of the old order, and the start of a new.

11:48:45 Diablo-D3: all that will come to pass has been written in the days of yore

11:50:00 Vexual: its still kinda the industrial revolution, were just living on part of the curve thats steep

11:51:07 Vexual: i think it was poescue who said you need three people to be sucessful as an individual these days

11:51:14 Vexual: or some such

11:52:31 Vexual: we live in a fantastic time

11:53:03 pankkake: I'd like to believe so…

11:53:22 Vexual: i wouldnt swap out for quids

11:58:08 Vexual: look how new jumbo jets are

12:01:06 AndrewJackson: i love Jumbo Jets

12:09:52 Vexual: fuckin aye

12:12:05 Vexual: radio music was ahead of its time

12:13:28 Vexual: but its not a hive entil theres feedback

12:25:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 10000 @ 0.00012 = 1.2 BTC [+]

12:27:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 126 @ 0.00293971 = 0.3704 BTC [+] {4}

13:14:47 mircea_popescu: http://www.halfpasthuman.com/essays/bitregistrar.html

13:14:48 ozbot: BitRegistrar: p2p vital records..

13:14:51 mircea_popescu: retardation never stops.

13:15:08 mircea_popescu: gpg has been around for 20 years, pgp for 30, this guy just discovered "bitcoin signatures"

13:15:19 mircea_popescu: fucking need a bigger fire.

13:25:37 truffles: bonfire!

13:33:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6452 @ 0.00084505 = 5.4523 BTC [+]

13:35:02 mircea_popescu: It's our hero, the Egregious Trope-Man! With his amazing trope-related powers, he always saves the day!

13:35:02 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

13:35:02 mircea_popescu: But oh no! Here comes the Legion of Evil: Dr von Trope, The Dog Kicker, The Chessmaster, Superdick, Mr. Macekre, and the Brotherhood of Bowdlerization, Sir Jerkass, and the villainous Mary Sue! Together they'll bring about The End of the World as We Know It...

13:35:09 mircea_popescu: im lost in tvtropes. send food.

13:37:32 truffles: u got lost in Superdick eh

13:46:09 wao-ender: mircea_popescu: did you see http://imgur.com/x2vFGDi ?

13:46:50 mircea_popescu: is it more than a cartoon someone on reddit drew ?

13:49:07 KRS|Gotyawallet: https://blockchain.info/address/1AYtnRppWM7tWQaVLpm7TvcHKrjKxgCRvX%20?

13:49:08 ozbot: Bitcoin Address 1AYtnRppWM7tWQaVLpm7TvcHKrjKxgCRvX

13:49:11 KRS|Gotyawallet: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

13:49:30 KRS|Gotyawallet: Thats one of you guys isn't it...come on now..

13:49:53 mircea_popescu: it's old.

13:49:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 10000 @ 0.00012 = 1.2 BTC [+]

13:50:04 KRS|Gotyawallet: did you see "public note"

13:51:06 mircea_popescu: "To stop the this" ? nobody here has such bad grammar.

13:53:58 KRS|Gotyawallet: =/

13:53:59 KRS|Gotyawallet: the end is near

13:54:10 ThickAsThieves: http://www.businessinsider.com/bloomberg-matt-miller-bitcoin-gift-stolen-2013-12

13:54:10 ozbot: Bloomberg's Miller Bitcoin Gift Stolen - Business Insider

13:54:15 ThickAsThieves: lel

13:54:44 KRS|Gotyawallet: Winklevoss twins are in the secret group, they told us ETF application has been denied and secondmarket's will soon be shut down, BTC to be banned in the US following China's actions. Thus the reasoning for the orchestration of the 400kBTC dump to happen soon.

13:55:52 KRS|Gotyawallet: lets rally up some btc and buy up that 400K alright?

13:56:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2281 @ 0.00012 = 0.2737 BTC [+]

13:56:09 KRS|Gotyawallet: i'll drop 75K on it, shiet this is war nigga

13:58:40 ThickAsThieves: bitcoin magazine really needs to get rid of those spammy 'article' ads at the bottom of the page

13:58:51 ThickAsThieves: and also not write about dogecoin...

13:58:55 ThickAsThieves: http://bitcoinmagazine.com/9109/will-dogecoin-replace-bitcoin/

13:58:56 ozbot: Will Dogecoin Replace Bitcoin

13:59:10 ThickAsThieves: if you have to ask...

13:59:59 mircea_popescu: herp.

14:00:26 mircea_popescu: dude srsly, this retards wave 3.0 thing is above any predicted high water mark.

14:00:53 mircea_popescu: if post-sell-by date starlets start "leaking" bitcoin tapes i'm gonna hurt some puppies.

14:03:44 kakobrekla: what? but its clear http://i.imgur.com/v2g0rDC.gif

14:05:45 KRS|Gotyawallet: anybody concerned about that public note on 400K btc?

14:05:50 KRS|Gotyawallet: sry "anyone"

14:06:06 mircea_popescu: KRS|Gotyawallet do you generally put a lot of concern into 10 cents ?

14:06:18 ThickAsThieves: https://blogs.rsa.com/news-media-2/rsa-response/

14:06:19 ozbot: RSA Response to Media Claims Regarding NSA Relationship » Speaking of Security - The RSA Blog

14:06:27 ThickAsThieves: (they deny it)\

14:06:38 mircea_popescu: yeah, because that always worked.

14:15:37 jurov: don't we have a bitbet about this already?

14:15:48 jurov: such as dogecoin mkt cap > btc?

14:17:44 mircea_popescu: is there any way to reliably measure such a putative mkt cap ?

14:20:51 mircea_popescu: .d

14:20:51 ozbot: 1180923195.25803 | Next Diff in 1649 blocks | Estimated Change: 14.1862% in 9d 19h 38m 50s

14:29:22 KRS|Gotyawallet: ok..well..hrmph..cool I guess. Thanks dude.s

14:32:55 mircea_popescu: KRS|Gotyawallet you seriously failed to notice that "the big move" happened january 2011 ?

14:33:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.00084478 = 6.9272 BTC [-]

14:38:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 309 @ 0.0029 = 0.8961 BTC [+] {4}

14:39:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1781 @ 0.00084478 = 1.5046 BTC [-]

14:40:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 333 @ 0.00308095 = 1.026 BTC [+] {8}

14:40:56 KRS|Gotyawallet: I agree with you guys, but this time I think even Fontas said its the end.

14:41:14 KRS|Gotyawallet: http://trollboxarchive.com/search.php?search_type=username&search=fontas

14:41:15 ozbot: trollboxarchive.com btc-e chat archive SEARCH

14:41:22 truffles: is the bitcoin sky fallling

14:43:53 KRS|Gotyawallet: =/

14:44:24 truffles: ye of little faith

14:44:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.309 BTC [-]

14:45:38 KRS|Gotyawallet: I just report the news, I'm not backing it up, interested in comments from you guys because I value your wisdom.

14:46:23 truffles: u should start a news site then :D

14:46:57 mircea_popescu: how is this nonsense news ?

14:47:18 mircea_popescu: next you'll be quoting bitcoin foundation, bitcoin magazine and #bitcoin-dev.

14:47:37 KRS|Gotyawallet: heh ya you right

14:48:44 KRS|Gotyawallet: anyway..

14:49:22 KRS|Gotyawallet: i was talking to jurov about a cool project worth looking into using global conciousness project data to compute favorable odds for betting on sites like just dice

14:49:32 KRS|Gotyawallet: ill let you know how it goes if you are interested

14:50:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.00293 = 1.465 BTC [-]

14:56:06 ThickAsThieves: https://blockchain.info/charts/bitcoin-days-destroyed?timespan=120days

14:56:07 ozbot: Bitcoin Bitcoin Days Destroyed

14:56:29 ThickAsThieves: http://bitbet.us/bet/634/bitcoin-days-destroyed-will-surpass-previous-record-before/

14:56:30 ozbot: BitBet - Bitcoin days destroyed will surpass previous record before March 2014

14:57:06 ThickAsThieves: the end is nigh!

14:58:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 205 @ 0.024 = 4.92 BTC [-]

15:02:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9950 @ 0.00084369 = 8.3947 BTC [-] {3}

15:02:17 ThickAsThieves: here's the all-time link

15:02:18 ThickAsThieves: https://blockchain.info/charts/bitcoin-days-destroyed?timespan=all&showDataPoints=false&daysAverageString=1&show_header=true&scale=0&address=

15:02:19 ozbot: Bitcoin Bitcoin Days Destroyed

15:02:24 ThickAsThieves: i assume the bet is now closed

15:05:45 mircea_popescu: not like anyone had bet.

15:05:50 mircea_popescu: i guess nobody gives a shit about that

15:06:04 ThickAsThieves: indeed

15:06:14 ThickAsThieves: i'm unclear whether BDD matters

15:06:28 mircea_popescu: it's a vague measure of nothing in particular

15:06:41 mircea_popescu: you know, like nielsen ratings / website traffic stats / us inflation

15:07:06 ThickAsThieves: the rainwater of advertisers

15:07:16 ThickAsThieves: er, for advertisers

15:08:16 ThickAsThieves: maybe fertilizer would be more apporiate

15:12:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 423 @ 0.00100817 = 0.4265 BTC [-] {4}

15:20:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2863 @ 0.00040269 = 1.1529 BTC [-] {11}

15:23:57 monolithik: so I was recently reading nick szabo's bgold article.

15:24:55 monolithik: and I wondered, who is this guy? Ignoring the question of whether he is satoshi or not, who is he? Other than his website and blog, he's basically a ghost online

15:25:26 monolithik: I found a conference on smart contracts that he supposedly spoke at, but not much else

15:25:36 mircea_popescu: he is a very smart anthropologist

15:25:38 monolithik: but then it gets stranger: http://w2.eff.org/Net_culture/Folklore/Humor/squish.hoax

15:25:43 mircea_popescu: with a bunch of oblique interests.

15:26:04 monolithik: As far back as 1994 on the cypherpunk mailing list, people questioned whether szabo was a real person

15:26:13 monolithik: "The Szabo tentacle is one of the most persistent of all. Even after"

15:26:13 monolithik: being exposed the `mother monster' continues to post, because a`

15:26:14 monolithik: fairly significant reputation investment has been established under

15:26:14 monolithik: the name. Has strong interest in digital cash. Has admitted to

15:26:18 monolithik: knowledge of fake name use. Probably a T.C.May tentacle.

15:26:30 truffles: having weird interests gets ppl interested in u nowadays hmmm

15:26:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.31399797 BTC [+]

15:28:18 dexX7: well, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=381045.0

15:28:41 monolithik: I originally thought he was probably real and just very careful about his online presence, but those old cypherpunk emails kind of weird me out.

15:29:22 truffles: guess u dont like tentacle porn :D

15:29:34 ThickAsThieves: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/taibblog/outrageous-hsbc-settlement-proves-the-drug-war-is-a-joke-20121213

15:29:34 ozbot: Outrageous HSBC Settlement Proves the Drug War is a Joke | | Rolling Stone

15:30:01 monolithik: i mean, for a GWU law professor, its quite strange that there is almost no record of his existence.

15:30:14 mircea_popescu: monolithik a better question would be, why;d you give a shit ?

15:30:16 ThickAsThieves: "Though this was not stated explicitly, the government's rationale in not pursuing criminal prosecutions against the bank was apparently rooted in concerns that putting executives from a "systemically important institution" in jail for drug laundering would threaten the stability of the financial system...

15:30:49 ThickAsThieves: banks be untouchable yo

15:31:03 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves it's not a joke, it's just there to control poor people.

15:31:07 monolithik: to be honest, no idea, I

15:31:13 mircea_popescu: these aren't poor people, and therefore unrelated.

15:31:23 monolithik: think I just went a bit too deep down the rabbit hole.

15:31:48 mircea_popescu: also, what the fascist media claims and what the reality is divergest vastly.

15:32:22 mircea_popescu: the usg insists to bother foreign merchants with "regulation". this is one step away from everyone just sending it packing. so it agreed to stfu and save some face.

15:32:35 mircea_popescu: hardly anything else than proof as to how the usg is impotent and pointless.

15:34:16 ThickAsThieves: why is HSBC paying anything at all then?

15:34:43 mircea_popescu: they're paying dollars.

15:34:46 mircea_popescu: stuff's worthless anyway.

15:34:49 ThickAsThieves: heh

15:35:20 mircea_popescu: if brauer had actually asked for cocaine... it'd have been rejected.

15:35:27 ThickAsThieves: you dont like how we do business, fine we dont want your money

15:35:46 mircea_popescu: more like "you think anyone asked you ? shut up and get out of my office"

15:37:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 26 @ 0.02419615 = 0.6291 BTC [+] {3}

15:37:54 mircea_popescu: "There is no reason why the Justice Department couldn't have snatched up everybody at HSBC involved with the trafficking, prosecuted them criminally, and worked with banking regulators to make sure that the bank survived the transition to new management."

15:37:56 mircea_popescu: herp.

15:38:11 mircea_popescu: after the strauss debacle, the us as much as trying this will result in the respective agents being shot on the spot.

15:39:31 Nick_Szabo: money laundering is a human right!

15:39:53 mircea_popescu: property is the first and only right.

15:40:02 mircea_popescu: legal fiction may not impede on that.

15:40:26 truffles: that article is pretty crazy, how does one maintain law n order if everyone's corrupt!

15:40:47 Nick_Szabo: one redefineds corrupt

15:40:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.31399 BTC [-]

15:41:01 mircea_popescu: or "law and order"

15:41:41 asciilifeform: j.e.hoover: 'justice is incidental to law and order.'

15:43:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.31398998 BTC [-]

15:44:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 1696 @ 0.00309911 = 5.2561 BTC [+] {2}

15:45:57 mircea_popescu: i seriously wonder at the degree of delusion us press must be belabouring under, to imagine saying " would threaten the stability of the financial system" does not immediately and transparently mapped to "they told us they will fuck us up, permanently. we believed them, because they had a point."

15:46:14 mircea_popescu: s/does/is

15:47:22 jurov: anyone who does not operate under delusion gets their computers shredded (like guardian) or worse

15:47:37 mircea_popescu: i guess.

15:47:47 asciilifeform: 'X can also have problems.'

15:48:05 mircea_popescu: i guess i'm just used to much grittier new yorkers

15:48:25 mircea_popescu: the current crop mostly sounds like they've crawled out of a hipster's arse.

15:49:02 mircea_popescu: o wait, that was the rolling stones not the new yorker

15:49:04 mircea_popescu: never mind.

15:49:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 4705 @ 0.001 = 4.705 BTC

15:51:52 KRS|Gotyawallet: pfft. i dont pay that stuff no mind.

15:51:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.05 = 0.45 BTC [+]

15:52:42 KRS|Gotyawallet: so like i was thinking of someplace to flee to when the U.S. takes a shit..somlia or some third world country a nigga like me could be living well

15:53:13 KRS|Gotyawallet: this is teh lulz https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BcHsuW3CYAADDh2.jpg

15:53:39 truffles: u prob wont be able to leave by then

15:53:59 Nick_Szabo: NY Times sorta does article on CloudHashing.com http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2013/12/21/into-the-bitcoin-mines/

15:54:18 KRS|Gotyawallet: I have bitcoin. There's a line for us.

15:55:10 asciilifeform: amazing business model! 1) accept u.s. refugees 2) rectothermal cryptoanalysis 3) profit!

15:55:10 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

15:55:26 Nick_Szabo: this article seems dangerous to me in that it wil help Cloudhashing sell more PMBs

15:55:44 KRS|Gotyawallet: lol! at first glance it looks like those contracts will never make roi

15:55:56 Nick_Szabo: evidenced here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=382154.msg1521109;topicseen#new

15:56:20 KRS|Gotyawallet: ever

15:56:26 KRS|Gotyawallet: its almost folly

15:56:50 deadweasel: white house flailing: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/22/us/white-house-tries-to-prevent-judge-from-ruling-on-surveillance-efforts.html?_r=0

16:01:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11950 @ 0.0008454 = 10.1025 BTC [+] {3}

16:06:18 Nick_Szabo: but without secrets people will know the truth!

16:09:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1000 @ 0.0004 = 0.4 BTC [-] {2}

16:11:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 150 @ 0.00313332 = 0.47 BTC [+] {2}

16:18:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 348 @ 0.00317397 = 1.1045 BTC [+] {7}

16:32:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 25498 @ 0.00012 = 3.0598 BTC [+]

16:33:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 300000 @ 0.00012 = 36 BTC [+]

16:34:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 150000 @ 0.00012 = 18 BTC [+]

16:35:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 120000 @ 0.00012 = 14.4 BTC [+]

16:37:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 30000 @ 0.00012 = 3.6 BTC [+]

16:38:00 Nick_Szabo: http://gizmodo.com/crazy-hacker-wants-to-save-bitcoin-by-blasting-a-cubesa-1487464486

16:38:01 ozbot: Crazy Hacker Wants to Save Bitcoin by Blasting a CubeSat into Space

16:38:04 Nick_Szabo: crazy hacker?

16:39:26 mikaeldice: Everyone who owns bitcoin is a 'crazy hacker', didn't you know?

16:41:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 100000 @ 0.00012 = 12 BTC [+]

16:43:01 Rulother: amazing hackers

16:43:01 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

16:44:16 asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu boards are here!

16:44:16 gribble: The operation succeeded.

16:44:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 100000 @ 0.00012 = 12 BTC [+]

16:45:38 pankkake: skateboards? (hackers' number one accessory)

16:45:52 assbot: [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.C065N] 4 @ 0.04544855 = 0.1818 BTC [-]

16:46:53 assbot: [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P065N] 4 @ 0.06218201 = 0.2487 BTC

16:48:03 mikaeldice: Could be planks for a pirate ship

16:48:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 100000 @ 0.00012 = 12 BTC [+]

16:49:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.31399499 = 0.628 BTC [+] {2}

16:50:09 Apocalyptic: pankkake, hackers != teens

16:52:17 pankkake: I was joking about media stereotypes (and the suberb movie Hackers)

16:56:53 kakobrekla: kraken has skateboards

16:57:47 pankkake: not bitstamp?

16:59:30 kakobrekla: those two have teslas or something

17:00:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.31550001 BTC [+]

17:00:17 pankkake: electric skateboards

17:00:24 pankkake: they have the skateboard age at least

17:06:42 nubbins`: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-12-2013#430051

17:06:44 nubbins`: ^ what?

17:06:44 ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log

17:07:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.3157 = 1.5785 BTC [+] {3}

17:08:33 Nick_Szabo: mp aint here to elaborate

17:08:40 Nick_Szabo: but surely he's blogged about it

17:09:49 nubbins`: seems like a bit of a wank

17:12:05 thestringpuller: mp is a poopoo

17:12:08 thestringpuller: jk

17:12:49 nubbins`: no, i meant the idea seemed like a bit of a wank

17:13:03 nubbins`: although i'm now reading some background info on the topic

17:13:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 51 @ 0.00293 = 0.1494 BTC [-]

17:13:40 Nick_Szabo: well its what we do

17:13:48 Nick_Szabo: intellectually wank

17:14:18 Nick_Szabo: like my invention of bitcoin

17:14:23 Nick_Szabo: just a big wank

17:14:50 Nick_Szabo: once we get everyone on board, i'll pull the plug

17:14:55 Nick_Szabo: then the healing can begin

17:15:17 nubbins`: seems like the legal concept of expropriation flies right in the face of the right to property

17:16:20 pankkake: why wouldn't it?

17:16:56 pankkake: I know a guy with similar ideas (property=everything). gets interesting discussions about exploding couches

17:18:15 Nick_Szabo: why cant they coexist nubs?

17:18:37 Nick_Szabo: these contradictions are everywhere

17:18:47 nubbins`: well, so i have the right to property

17:18:59 nubbins`: city says hey, lel, we want to do X with your property

17:19:03 Nick_Szabo: the gov also takes life when it sees fit

17:19:07 nubbins`: here's a few bucks, can't say no

17:19:11 Nick_Szabo: surely the most basic right

17:19:54 nubbins`: here in canada, the government doesn't take life

17:20:23 pankkake: canada has no army?

17:20:35 Nick_Szabo: i like canada

17:20:41 Nick_Szabo: wish it werent so cold

17:20:57 nubbins`: pankkake: sure we do

17:21:03 nubbins`: but the army doesn't kill canadian nationals :P

17:21:18 pankkake: oh, totally ok then! :o)

17:21:35 Nick_Szabo: i was thinking today about whether the whether never changing in area is related to the people never changing

17:21:46 Nick_Szabo: weather*

17:21:48 Nick_Szabo: hehe

17:21:48 nubbins`: i mean, really, until we got involved in afghanistan and iraq, the canadian army generally didn't kill anyone

17:22:30 nubbins`: anyway, pretty heavy lel that the USA enshrines the right to life in their declaration of independence, but has the death penalty

17:25:23 pankkake: yet issues with abortion and euthanasia! why not kill everyone

17:27:02 ThickAsThieves: reddit is in love with Andreas Antonopoulis lately

17:27:36 nubbins`: pankkake: anti-choice crowd says life begins at conception, right?

17:30:32 ThickAsThieves: probly depends who you ask

17:30:35 pankkake: something like that

17:31:04 nubbins`: consider that more than 50% of fertilized eggs fail to implant in the uterus wall

17:31:21 pankkake: but it's not easy to define "life"

17:31:26 nubbins`: MORE THAN HALF of the "babies" die in the womb fully on their own

17:31:36 pankkake: and then independant life. is the baby a parasite?

17:31:37 nubbins`: "pro-life" crowd gives zero fucks about this

17:31:58 nubbins`: it's almost like it's not about life, but about controlling women's pussies

17:32:11 pankkake: I've spent *years* of my trolling career on the topic - not by choice really, just was the issue we didn't agree on

17:32:15 KRS|Gotyawallet: its all about dat ass

17:32:16 Duffer1: it's pro life until you're born, then it's "fuck you"

17:32:21 nubbins`: Duffer1: +1

17:32:23 deadweasel: ^

17:32:24 pankkake: of course. everyone has an hidden agenda

17:32:55 nubbins`: it's almost like having to carry an unwanted baby to term is punishment for being a dirty slut

17:32:58 deadweasel: nope, it's in the faq

17:33:28 ThickAsThieves: it might be a male control thing in the sense that,

17:33:37 nubbins`: their argument is based in morals, just not the morals that you think they're arguing for :D

17:33:39 ThickAsThieves: they want to be deciding what gets aborted and what doesnt

17:33:43 ThickAsThieves: not the woman

17:34:00 nubbins`: tat, might be? :D

17:34:12 pankkake: I don't particularly enjoy abortion-as-contraception

17:34:18 nubbins`: pankkake: neither do women.

17:34:19 pankkake: though less babies is always a win!

17:34:35 ThickAsThieves: itd be a crime if some woman killed your baby, or if some daughter deprived you of your grandkid

17:35:01 ThickAsThieves: etc

17:35:02 pankkake: eh… they might not enjoy it after the fact, sure

17:35:08 nubbins`: anti-choice folks like to pretend that women having abortions think it's all a big lel

17:35:29 nubbins`: failing to understand that it's a life-altering choice either way

17:36:27 nubbins`: consider that canada has no abortion laws whatsoever, and we still manage to have a functioning society

17:36:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 102 @ 0.00293 = 0.2989 BTC [-]

17:38:38 pankkake: you mean no anti-abortion laws? or can anyone be an abortion provider

17:38:48 KRS|Gotyawallet: Canada is right on..they might be the only ones who know what they're doing.

17:38:54 nubbins`: i mean there are no laws on the books regarding abortion. at all.

17:39:00 pankkake: interesting

17:39:13 nubbins`: obviously you need to be a doctor to perform one

17:39:21 nubbins`: but that's covered by laws about medical procedures

17:40:57 nubbins`: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Morgentaler

17:40:58 ozbot: Henry Morgentaler - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

17:42:15 nubbins`: ^ guy performed over 5k illegal abortions before winning a court case and having the laws struck down in 1988

17:43:03 nubbins`: 20 years later, awarded the Order of Canada for his work

17:44:27 pankkake: had 2 kids still. didn't hate babies enough

17:45:58 ThickAsThieves: his wife mustve oppressed him from it

17:52:52 pankkake: I only use brain surgeons that are in my web of trust

17:56:57 jcpham: much trust very amaze

17:57:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 20000 @ 0.00011998 = 2.3996 BTC [-] {3}

17:58:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.0242 = 0.242 BTC [+]

18:01:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 49 @ 0.00329998 = 0.1617 BTC [+]

18:06:43 ThickAsThieves: cloudhashing in NYT too... http://imgur.com/ZcnVf9z

18:07:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3900 @ 0.00084271 = 3.2866 BTC [-]

18:08:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.00084048 = 5.8834 BTC [-]

18:08:27 the20year: Does the baby get a choice whether they live or not?

18:09:49 ThickAsThieves: does a sperm?

18:10:01 the20year: The sperm's owner gets a say where it's deposited

18:10:29 ThickAsThieves: there ya go

18:10:39 ThickAsThieves: property

18:11:16 the20year: but it isn't a person

18:11:18 pankkake: at what point your sperm (or its mutation) ceases to be your property?

18:12:15 the20year: and the problem lies that either people are human for a set number of traits, or they are not, and inside or outside the womb isn't much of a qualifier

18:14:22 benkay: or we could just bring back the notion that property is the only constant and that humans too can be property.

18:14:47 benkay: not a terribly popular stance, but resolves this question about who does what with the newt.

18:14:55 pankkake: so all your children are property? until…?

18:15:07 benkay: they can feed themselves?

18:15:20 mike_c: sanity check: bitcoincharts won't give historical trade data anymore? correct?

18:15:24 benkay: i'm sure better criteria can be come up with.

18:16:48 mike_c: their docs still say yes, but the api seems to say no.

18:17:47 mike_c: like this: http://api.bitcoincharts.com/v1/trades.csv?symbol=mtgoxUSD&start=1386901071

18:17:52 benkay: !t m s.mpoe

18:17:52 assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00084048 / 0.00084511 / 0.00085172 (805353 shares, 680.61 BTC), 7D: 0.00084048 / 0.00088221 / 0.00091394 (6297937 shares, 5,556.13 BTC), 30D: 0.00077921 / 0.00086938 / 0.00091394 (15661230 shares, 13,615.68 BTC)

18:18:17 mike_c: first unix time is 1387390488, which is pretty far from 1386901071

18:18:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6850 @ 0.00084535 = 5.7906 BTC [+]

18:19:22 mike_c: i will take the silence as "yes, idiot, everyone already knew that".

18:19:38 benkay: now now

18:19:54 benkay: it's not like anyone in here actually does anything bitcoin-related ;)

18:20:00 mike_c: hehe

18:20:39 benkay: probably "who knows! nobody in here touches that shit except the MPOE bot..."

18:27:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 20 @ 0.06969999 = 1.394 BTC [+] {3}

18:30:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 95 @ 0.00320909 = 0.3049 BTC [+] {4}

18:50:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 37 @ 0.00293 = 0.1084 BTC [-]

18:56:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 40 @ 0.02100001 = 0.84 BTC [-] {3}

18:56:01 nubbins`: the20year: babies are incapable of making choices

18:56:13 nubbins`: and, fwiw, aren't babies until they've been born

18:56:38 the20year: and the difference between a baby inside a person and a baby outside said person?

18:56:56 benkay: none!

18:57:27 Duffer1: oh good, we're still talking about this..

18:57:29 benkay: well, one's intimately attached to the life support system; the other can scream on its own.

18:58:05 the20year: Babies can't scream in the womb?

18:58:16 benkay: in the womb, noone can hear you scream.

18:58:39 nubbins`: babies cannot scream in the womb.

18:58:41 nubbins`: (seriously?)

18:58:45 Duffer1: hehe

18:58:56 benkay: i actually have no idea

18:58:58 nubbins`: neither can fetuses

18:59:13 benkay: always figured air played a role in the production of sound with vocal cords

18:59:17 nubbins`: nod

18:59:20 the20year: They feel pain when they are killed, according to all the studies I've seen

18:59:29 the20year: And not all babies that are born scream

18:59:50 KRS|Gotyawallet: I would if I were born.

18:59:51 benkay: the cows i eat also feel pain when they aren't killed right quick

19:00:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18700 @ 0.00084303 = 15.7647 BTC [-] {3}

19:02:20 nubbins`: the20year: got a link? curious to read

19:03:12 fiat500: sounds delicious

19:03:33 fiat500: protein with a side of agony

19:04:46 ThickAsThieves: funny cuz its true?

19:04:48 the20year: http://www.gargaro.com/fetalpain.html

19:04:48 ozbot: Does the Fetus Feel Pain? Summary of a Presentation

19:05:37 ThickAsThieves: thats 3mos though

19:05:48 pankkake: do plants feel pain?

19:05:55 ThickAsThieves: people abort often at 3mos?

19:06:00 nubbins`: no

19:06:08 nubbins`: and 20 weeks is 4.5 months

19:06:38 ThickAsThieves: he said 12-14weeks likely feels pain too

19:06:45 nubbins`: 88% of abortions occur before 12 weeks

19:06:52 ThickAsThieves: makes sense

19:06:58 nubbins`: most after that point are medically necessary

19:07:13 nubbins`: the anti-choicers don't like to talk about that tho

19:07:55 nubbins`: only 1.5% occur after week 20

19:08:00 nubbins`: but ya know

19:08:03 nubbins`: HUGE PROBLEM etc

19:08:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8000 @ 0.00084526 = 6.7621 BTC [+]

19:12:26 the20year: Sadly 80% of abortions could be prevented with free IUDs

19:13:09 mike_c: well for the record, they do still seem to be maintaining their all-time list at http://api.bitcoincharts.com/v1/csv/

19:13:35 pankkake: it seems doctors don't want to give IUDs to females without children

19:13:50 mike_c: and I'll email them and ask them whether they are pro-life or pro-choice.

19:14:09 the20year: Some do, some do not, I know when planned parenthood here in the US offered free IUDs to anyone that wanted them, the rate of abortions in that area went down significantly for quite some time

19:20:14 nubbins`: IUDs are a bit more painful to insert if you haven't had a kid yet

19:20:21 nubbins`: that said, they're more effective than condoms or the pill

19:20:57 nubbins`: relatively inexpensive over their lifespan

19:21:00 nubbins`: (3-10 years)

19:21:17 nubbins`: and you get to fuck without a rubber.

19:21:38 nubbins`: mike_c: ask if they're anti-life or anti-choice instead.

19:27:51 benkay`: iud's are tits

19:28:03 benkay`: massively reduced hormone load

19:28:08 benkay`: targeted delivery

19:44:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 3 @ 0.04389999 = 0.1317 BTC [+] {2}

19:46:12 ThickAsThieves: http://buttcoin.org/merry-bitmas

19:46:12 ozbot: Merry Bitmas - Buttcoin - The P2P crypto-currency for butts. - Buttcoin - It's Bitcoins with Butts -

19:46:34 ThickAsThieves: "Glad I waited until the last minute to buy everybody Bitcoin for Christmas."

19:46:35 ThickAsThieves: hehe

19:48:06 ThickAsThieves: http://www.theawl.com/2013/12/the-politics-of-the-next-dimension-do-ghosts-have-civil-rights

19:48:06 ozbot: The Ghostbusters Profile In "The Atlantic"

19:54:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10700 @ 0.00084041 = 8.9924 BTC [-]

20:14:28 jborkl: So, the picture Hashfast twitted - had a metal fork, a tub of popcorn and a case where I could not see a power cord plugged in

20:42:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 70 @ 0.05 = 3.5 BTC [+]

20:43:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8500 @ 0.00084034 = 7.1429 BTC [-]

20:53:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19698 @ 0.00084034 = 16.553 BTC [-]

20:59:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1750 @ 0.00084059 = 1.471 BTC [+] {2}

21:05:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.31599999 BTC [+]

21:07:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.31599999 BTC [+]

21:09:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 83 @ 0.0033 = 0.2739 BTC [+]

21:10:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.05 = 0.15 BTC [+]

21:12:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.02419999 = 0.121 BTC [+]

21:21:27 jurov: jborkl, it gonna work on zero-point energy

21:22:04 the20year: That'd be fun

21:46:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6750 @ 0.00084079 = 5.6753 BTC [+]

21:50:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15100 @ 0.00084173 = 12.7101 BTC [+] {2}

22:04:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 649 @ 0.0004 = 0.2596 BTC [-]

22:04:08 jurov: http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/12/fbi-copyrighted-interrogation-manual-unredacted-secrets lmao

22:04:08 ozbot: You'll Never Guess Where This FBI Agent Left a Secret Interrogation Manual | Mother Jones

22:06:33 jurov: http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/12/behold-the-worlds-first-digitally-signed-international-agreement/282582/

22:06:33 ozbot: Behold: The World's First Digitally Signed International Agreement - Uri Friedman - The Atlantic

22:06:48 jurov: next thing they actually come in WoT

22:07:07 jurov: <estonia>;;rate finland -1 scammers

22:08:10 jurov: (fixed) <estonia>;;rate finland -1 drunk scammers

22:10:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00084093 = 4.7092 BTC [-]

22:10:37 ThickAsThieves: hehe

22:11:59 benkay`: can't get in wot from windows

22:12:08 Duffer1_: gpg4win

22:12:48 nubbins`: what's windows?

22:13:11 jurov: you can use wot with btc privkey nao

22:13:28 benkay`: not entirely serious Duffer1

22:13:42 Duffer1_: oh :)

22:13:46 asciilifeform: in other news, mikhail kalashnikov is dead.

22:13:50 nubbins`: yeah, heard

22:14:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 6 @ 0.02409999 = 0.1446 BTC [-] {2}

22:20:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16231 @ 0.0008402 = 13.6373 BTC [-] {4}

22:36:06 mod6: ahh, wow. :(

22:37:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 200 @ 0.001 = 0.2 BTC

22:44:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 700 @ 0.00083951 = 0.5877 BTC [-]

22:47:30 mircea_popescu: .d

22:47:31 ozbot: 1180923195.25803 | Next Diff in 1591 blocks | Estimated Change: 14.0725% in 9d 11h 44m 10s

22:49:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.31599998 BTC [-]

22:51:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 500 @ 0.001 = 0.5 BTC

22:52:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 2999 @ 0.001 = 2.999 BTC

22:54:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5900 @ 0.00083948 = 4.9529 BTC [-] {2}

22:56:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.00084254 = 6.1505 BTC [+] {2}

23:06:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 749 @ 0.001 = 0.749 BTC

23:11:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 550 @ 0.001 = 0.55 BTC {2}

23:13:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00293 = 0.586 BTC [-]

23:44:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2079 @ 0.00012 = 0.2495 BTC [+]

23:51:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4027 @ 0.00084241 = 3.3924 BTC [-]