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00:01:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 12411 @ 0.0012 = 14.8932 BTC

00:02:30 Anduck: punkman: contract says that rg is representing bitvps. sure. but that contract is not signed by bitvps owners.

00:03:06 Anduck: they can state whatever they want. the signature of the owners isn't there, making the contract/paper invalid

00:04:09 danielpbarron: !down Anduck repetitive

00:05:48 punkman: "i guess it does lower my trust when i state out the facts." "am still not aware of all the facts."

00:06:30 Anduck: i don't need to know all the facts when i only speak about few...... come on, this is all you can do?

00:07:09 BingoBoingo: http://www.dailydot.com/lol/erotic-german-carp-fishing-calendar/

00:07:10 assbot: This erotic German carp calendar is the worst Christmas gift imaginable ... ( http://bit.ly/1vi03nY )

00:09:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18657 @ 0.00067744 = 12.639 BTC [+]

00:14:07 punkman: !down Anduck

00:14:25 punkman: it dun work kako

00:15:08 punkman: ;;gettrust assbot Anduck

00:15:08 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask Anduck!~anduck@unaffiliated/anduck. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Anduck: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 8 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Anduck | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Anduck | Rated since: Tue May 8 11:28:43 2012

00:15:13 kakobrekla: myea, 'down' doesnt actively check for l2 :|

00:15:25 punkman: what does it check?

00:15:36 Anduck: oh no :(

00:15:40 Anduck: :)

00:16:24 kakobrekla: the relationship between downer and downee at upping

00:17:32 kakobrekla: Anduck would you be so kind and hop (part and join if you want) the chan?

00:17:42 Anduck: kind after you told me to fuck off? sorry,no.

00:17:54 Anduck: you're too irrogant to ask me for favours..

00:18:09 punkman: ignorant+arrogant=irrogant?

00:21:45 kakobrekla: idk but it sounds bad.

00:22:02 punkman: your irrogant!

00:22:12 kakobrekla: lmao

00:22:44 punkman: ima start using that

00:23:34 assbot: Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3M0RME6.txt )

00:23:34 BingoBoingo: !b 5

00:24:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 1025 @ 0.0012 = 1.23 BTC

00:24:18 punkman: !t m s.bbet

00:24:18 assbot: [MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0.0002 / 0.00021036 / 0.000459 (5000 shares, 1.05 BTC), 7D: 0.0001 / 0.00014649 / 0.000459 (83033 shares, 12.16 BTC), 30D: 0.0001 / 0.00024317 / 0.00049 (130112 shares, 31.64 BTC)

00:24:35 punkman: who tanked bbet!

00:25:03 punkman: thought I think I might have grabbed some of those 0.0001 shares

00:25:07 punkman: *though

00:25:31 kakobrekla: tanked on a 1 btc volume ?

00:25:47 kakobrekla: no, 12.

00:27:31 BingoBoingo: What happens next during MP's vacation? Is pirateat40 going to show up and say Ponzi would still be going if only hanbot wasn't slandering his soul?

00:28:25 kakobrekla: !l m s.bbet

00:28:25 assbot: Last trade for S.BBET on MPEX was at 0.0002 BTC [+]

00:28:37 kakobrekla: this is not correct

00:28:46 kakobrekla: ;;later tell mircea_popescu ping

00:28:47 gribble: The operation succeeded.

00:29:37 punkman: why is it wrong?

00:30:14 punkman: oh never mind

00:30:24 kakobrekla: theres a couple of endpoints where assbot gets data for mpex

00:30:34 kakobrekla: and seems some of those endpoints are deaf

00:31:00 kakobrekla: and im missing trade data for all the symbols

00:31:51 kakobrekla: the !l command is a locally cached command.

00:36:29 kakobrekla: this has correct data : http://live.coinbr.com/?mpsic=S.BBET

00:36:29 assbot: CoinBr Live S.BBET ... ( http://bit.ly/1vi3Stl )

00:39:37 decimation: ;;ticker

00:39:38 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 332.89, Best ask: 333.82, Bid-ask spread: 0.93000, Last trade: 333.91, 24 hour volume: 11841.92676751, 24 hour low: 319.9, 24 hour high: 333.99, 24 hour vwap: 328.30862748

00:40:15 decimation: !up Quanttek

00:51:44 thestringpuller: cazalla still awake?

01:06:25 decimation: !up kanzure

01:12:54 cazalla: thestringpuller, i am, just put the kid down to zzz

01:13:46 thestringpuller: http://theraptest.com/ << this is up my ally

01:13:52 thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: found it

01:14:46 BingoBoingo: Well I found it here: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2q3pfw/nas_gives_his_true_fans_the_choice_to_get_into/

01:14:49 assbot: Nas gives his "true fans" the choice to get into Bitcoin : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1ABcalo )

01:15:05 BingoBoingo: This is how coinbase competes with BitPay during Bitcoin Bowl week

01:15:38 thestringpuller: i wish they had jay-z or something

01:16:50 thestringpuller: i fucking hate nas tho. he's not a real gangsta

01:16:58 thestringpuller: he also made me hate kelis for no reason!

01:17:52 thestringpuller: based on this test, Kanye is my favorite rapper out of all these

01:17:56 thestringpuller: Pac is my least

01:18:24 cazalla: hate 2pack? you are such a hipster thestringpuller

01:18:34 thestringpuller: d00d

01:18:36 thestringpuller: fuck pac

01:18:44 thestringpuller: if it wasn't for him being brain washed by suge knight

01:18:46 thestringpuller: we'd still have biggie

01:19:10 thestringpuller: they should have all just ganged up on suge knight

01:19:23 thestringpuller: and yea I'll say it I'm glad suge knight got shot up recently!

01:19:32 *: thestringpuller emotional backpacker

01:19:36 thestringpuller: ;;ud backpacker

01:19:37 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=backpacker | Backpacker is based on a fashion style popular in the mid to late 90s where people involved in hip-hop wore large backpacks. Originated by graf wri...

01:19:54 cazalla: lol

01:20:02 cazalla: but yeah i saw this, checked out the saw but it's a bit of a zzz

01:20:28 cazalla: write it up though if you are inclined, would go with the 50c article

01:20:46 mod6: im waitin on Bitcoin Motivation 101

01:24:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 6650 @ 0.0012 = 7.98 BTC

01:27:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32850 @ 0.00063851 = 20.9751 BTC [-] {3}

01:34:21 thestringpuller: fiddy: i don't wanna be hidin' inside when nobody outside anymore

01:41:41 kakobrekla: !up paxtoncamaro91

01:53:43 decimation: !up badon

01:59:39 BingoBoingo: !up jborkl

02:02:43 jborkl: Hello all

02:03:24 BingoBoingo: Hello

02:22:26 ben_vulpes: i'm aliiiiive

02:22:27 ben_vulpes: sort of

02:24:37 BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Why only sort of?

02:25:21 decimation: ben_vulpes: how did the unbillable work go?

02:27:06 ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: went to bed at 5 am, woke up at 9

02:27:20 BingoBoingo: Ah

02:27:27 ben_vulpes: decimation: well last night after rigorous testing i neglected to disable the nightly job that i'd just proved responsible for taking down the client cluster

02:27:35 ben_vulpes: "proved" << just for you, alf

02:27:51 decimation: sucks man

02:27:57 decimation: I hate redoing work

02:28:50 ben_vulpes: so i woke up from the sleep of "ah - i've finally stablized this thing" at the butt of dawn to bring the cluster back

02:59:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 1200 @ 0.0012 = 1.44 BTC

03:00:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 950 @ 0.0012 = 1.14 BTC

03:50:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 1020 @ 0.0012 = 1.224 BTC

03:55:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 4175 @ 0.0012 = 5.01 BTC

03:59:39 []bot: Bet placed: 1.30268247 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to win vs S&P 500" http://bitbet.us/bet/989/ Odds: 18(Y):82(N) by coin, 44(Y):56(N) by weight. Total bet: 4.12679026 BTC. Current weight: 9,854.

04:00:53 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: so you think your day job is painful. go debug a rom, for an evil embedded cpu arch, to which you haven't source.

04:02:46 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ben_vulpes: so you think your day job is painful. go debug a rom, for an evil embedded cpu arch, to which you haven't source. << If you had the source though it wouldn't be sporting.

04:03:30 *: asciilifeform spends his evenings debugging an entirely other rom to which he does have source. and disagrees, seeing how there is plenty of sport in it.

04:07:39 BingoBoingo: But is the other, evening, ROM evil?

04:21:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 1470 @ 0.0012 = 1.764 BTC

04:44:16 danielpbarron: !up dustcoin

04:48:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 1250 @ 0.0012 = 1.5 BTC

04:49:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 2740 @ 0.0012 = 3.288 BTC

04:49:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 12000 @ 0.001208 = 14.496 BTC [+]

04:51:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1000 @ 0.00121947 = 1.2195 BTC [+] {3}

04:53:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1084 @ 0.00122532 = 1.3282 BTC [+] {11}

04:53:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 1250 @ 0.00464998 = 5.8125 BTC [+]

04:54:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1000 @ 0.00122918 = 1.2292 BTC [+] {10}

04:55:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1500 @ 0.0012311 = 1.8467 BTC [+] {9}

05:32:11 TheNewDeal: ;;nethash

05:32:12 gribble: 280594055.846

05:32:16 TheNewDeal: ;;bc,stats

05:32:20 gribble: Current Blocks: 335484 | Current Difficulty: 3.945767130713873E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 336671 | Next Difficulty In: 1187 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 5 hours, 42 minutes, and 26 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 37656692084.0 | Estimated Percent Change: -4.56433

05:35:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18600 @ 0.00064244 = 11.9494 BTC [+]

05:58:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1477 @ 0.00123243 = 1.8203 BTC [+] {3}

05:59:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 4426 @ 0.00123312 = 5.4578 BTC [+] {5}

06:00:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1309 @ 0.00123397 = 1.6153 BTC [+] {6}

06:01:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2250 @ 0.00124257 = 2.7958 BTC [+] {5}

06:19:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17450 @ 0.00063509 = 11.0823 BTC [-] {2}

07:43:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15874 @ 0.00065875 = 10.457 BTC [+] {3}

08:19:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29600 @ 0.00063396 = 18.7652 BTC [-] {2}

08:51:21 Naphex: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoQYw49saqc marry xmas, and such :D laters

08:51:23 assbot: Gorillaz - Clint Eastwood - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/13WT2m6 )

09:36:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 838 @ 0.001215 = 1.0182 BTC [+]

11:54:14 mats: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/helping-a-poor-soul-having-better-days--2

11:54:16 assbot: Helping a poor soul having better days | Indiegogo ... ( http://bit.ly/16Mo15j )

12:03:00 kakobrekla: !up AndrewJackson

12:03:07 kakobrekla: !up Ssateneth

12:03:11 kakobrekla: !up hotrew

12:25:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 954 @ 0.001215 = 1.1591 BTC [-] {2}

13:11:28 BingoBoingo: !up Elio20

13:21:20 punkman: !up austeritysucks

13:22:38 BingoBoingo: !up austeritysucks

13:22:43 BingoBoingo: Hello austeritysucks

13:22:50 austeritysucks: hi there

13:23:03 BingoBoingo: What brings you around these parts?

13:23:36 austeritysucks: been using bitcoin as virtual items merchant and accumulated some just poking around

13:23:47 BingoBoingo: Cool

13:23:51 punkman: cool, what do you sell?

13:23:59 austeritysucks: csgo items mostly

13:24:03 austeritysucks: counter strike on steam

13:24:23 BingoBoingo: Ah, there's channel logs in the topic if you are interested in some history

13:44:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17300 @ 0.00063918 = 11.0578 BTC [+]

14:00:55 BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2014/12/gchq-says-its-surveillance-ability-crippled-post-snowden/

14:00:57 assbot: GCHQ Says Its Surveillance Ability is Crippled Post-Snowden | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1zeZaOq )

14:06:43 Apocalyptic: BingoBoingo, "actually has some an explicit" probably a typo

14:07:22 BingoBoingo: fix'd

14:07:24 BingoBoingo: Thanks

14:36:42 mike_c: ping jurov

14:37:58 mike_c: have you ever thought about adding the ability to short mpex stocks to coinbr? seems like it would be a great service for you as a brokerage.

14:38:25 mike_c: let people lend shares at an interest rate, and let others borrow (with btc collateral) to short.

14:41:40 thestringpuller: mike_c dunno if there is enough volume for that

14:43:51 mike_c: it is grease for the wheels.

14:45:01 mike_c: like right now, s.bbet has a big bid/ask spread. but it can be tough to market-make a stock if you can't borrow shares to sell.

14:45:26 mike_c: and obviously there is plenty of s.mpoe volume

14:45:32 mike_c: and volatility

14:47:23 thestringpuller: volume was a bad word

14:47:27 thestringpuller: i dunno if there is enough inventory

14:47:33 thestringpuller: volume was completely the wrong word

14:48:57 mike_c: you're going to have to use more words :) I don't follow your concern.

14:50:53 thestringpuller: i don't know if the conglemorate of coinbr users have the inventory of stock necessary to lend.

14:57:23 mike_c: yes, but coinbr would now be offering interest on passive stock holdings. so perhaps it would pick up new types of customers.

15:22:21 asciilifeform: nanotube around? yesterday i updated my key (new exp date, same fingerprint); still getting 'Error: Problem creating encrypted OTP file.' from gribble.

15:25:01 asciilifeform: http://pool.sks-keyservers.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0x17215D118B7239507FAFED98B98228A001ABFFC7 << appears

15:25:02 assbot: Search results for '0x17215d118b7239507fafed98b98228a001abffc7' ... ( http://bit.ly/1wCSVXQ )

15:25:06 asciilifeform: but no worky.

15:35:00 BingoBoingo: !up nanotube

15:46:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47433 @ 0.00063918 = 30.3182 BTC [+]

15:55:15 nanotube: asciilifeform: refreshed your key. (regular cron job runs weekly)

16:01:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1026 @ 0.00125487 = 1.2875 BTC [+] {3}

16:04:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2461 @ 0.00126472 = 3.1125 BTC [+] {9}

16:08:00 TomServo: !up drawingthesun

16:08:34 kakobrekla: !up drawingthesun

16:19:58 asciilifeform: nanotube: thx!

16:44:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45050 @ 0.00067001 = 30.184 BTC [+] {2}

16:45:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2397 @ 0.0012599 = 3.02 BTC [+]

16:48:02 mike_c: who is best torrent search these days?

16:52:53 mats: do you want an invite to a private tracker?

16:55:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17326 @ 0.00063648 = 11.0277 BTC [-]

17:02:07 mike_c: um. idk. sure?

17:02:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6000 @ 0.00033338 = 2.0003 BTC [+] {5}

17:04:23 kakobrekla: (if its what.cd rather say no)

17:05:55 mats: pm email

17:06:06 mats: i only had the one what.cd invite

17:08:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 18 @ 0.118 = 2.124 BTC [-]

17:14:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 47719 @ 0.00004899 = 2.3378 BTC [+] {6}

17:23:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 150 @ 0.00898401 = 1.3476 BTC [-]

17:23:46 BingoBoingo: ;;later tell mircea_popescu Oh look other people are tired of being hasseled with ideas too http://www.itworld.com/article/2862466/im-done-agreeing-to-ndas-before-hearing-ideas.html

17:23:47 assbot: I'm done agreeing to NDAs before hearing ideas | ITworld ... ( http://bit.ly/1xdUJIB )

17:23:47 gribble: The operation succeeded.

17:43:33 BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2014/12/sony-now-to-release-movie/

17:43:35 assbot: Sony Now to Release Movie | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1whRhp6 )

17:49:09 TomServo: Ahah - what a bunch of clowns.

17:49:34 thestringpuller: BingoBoingo I'm going to need you to GPG sign this NDA before I discuss details of this project...

17:50:31 BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Well, at least you are recorded in the WoT in a way other than Mr Spam is.

17:50:52 thestringpuller: I want to talk to you about this idea flappy plane. It's going to revolutionize aviation.

17:59:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60016 @ 0.00063775 = 38.2752 BTC [+] {4}

18:53:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1573 @ 0.00125 = 1.9663 BTC [-] {4}

18:55:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1000 @ 0.00121723 = 1.2172 BTC [-] {9}

18:56:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 5000 @ 0.00121502 = 6.0751 BTC [-] {6}

19:44:42 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla pong

19:44:57 mircea_popescu: ;;rated grubles

19:44:58 gribble: You have not yet rated user grubles

19:46:33 mircea_popescu: ;;rate grubles -1 Disingenuous at best. One of the large group of everyday nitwits that wandered into Bitcoin early on enough so as to end up with a much larger momentary fortune than their limited brainpower could support. After squandering it through the usual means, they prefer to pretend their funciar stupidity is someone else's fault.

19:46:34 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of -1 for user grubles has been recorded.

19:47:34 mircea_popescu: re the entire grubles/bitvps thing : the listing was discussed for a while, in a public channel. grubles was there, and not only represented himself in agreement, but represented rg as the owner of the thing.

19:47:58 mircea_popescu: for that matter, the contract has a specific clause, 3(a)That no third party has offered verifiable proof as to the inaccuracy or incompleteness of the representations and warranties made herein and that no market makers, preferred traders and other significant investors of MPEx have publicly proffered doubt as to the accuracy or completeness of the representations and warranties made herein ;

19:48:25 mircea_popescu: he never availed himself of it, and that is exactly enough for constructive tacit agreement, just as good as if he swore to the whole thing.

19:48:56 mircea_popescu: for that matter, the guy didn't protest at any point while rg was still running the thing, nor did he stand up to take over once rg fucked it up.

19:54:29 mircea_popescu: there was about a month there while namworld was struggling to salvage the thing. which meanwhile i think died again or what is it these days ?

19:56:45 thestringpuller: oh look it's a popescu!

19:56:50 *: thestringpuller waves

19:57:11 mircea_popescu: heya thestringpuller

19:57:16 mircea_popescu: how goes the merryments ?

19:57:22 mircea_popescu: !up cornfeedhobo

19:57:58 cornfeedhobo: gracias

19:58:23 thestringpuller: They are interesting! I think my 3D artist has some renders as an XMas present for you. Hopefully chetty can help us get it in the engine sometime Q1.

19:58:32 mircea_popescu: for sure!

19:58:36 thestringpuller: How is your vacation going?

19:58:50 mircea_popescu: pretty fun!

19:58:58 thestringpuller: warmer than the n hemisphere i hope ;)

19:59:09 thestringpuller: not that you'd need warmth with that harem of yours ;)

19:59:10 mircea_popescu: do you realise i've been pretty much here, and on -otc before that, almost every day for like three years straight ?

19:59:14 mircea_popescu: nuts if you say it outloud.

19:59:51 thestringpuller: Well you do have highest word count for good reasons!

20:00:22 thestringpuller: so I work for the marketing department here as a developer.

20:00:39 thestringpuller: in one of the meetings I almost went "marketing is rape"

20:00:57 thestringpuller: and was about to start quoting fraudsters

20:01:11 mircea_popescu: o.O

20:03:04 thestringpuller: haha! I have no idea why we spend so much on marketing. These designers are wasting their precious time.

20:03:39 mircea_popescu: well just don't get arrested over freedom of speech lol

20:05:27 joecool: heh return of rg to irc seems to be causing arguments in all the bitcoin-* channels

20:06:29 kakobrekla: but he doesnt own his key anymore?

20:07:39 joecool: kakobrekla: i thought that was just a rumor, for months everyone thought he sold his forum login too, yet he claims not since he came back to irc

20:08:45 kakobrekla: dik.

20:09:13 mircea_popescu: joecool was a fact back then.

20:09:21 mircea_popescu: these things don't change over time i dun think.

20:09:57 joecool: no i wouldn't expect that to change over time if true

20:10:36 mats: it was entertaining to see Anduck chat again

20:11:28 mats: feelings were hurt and words were had

20:13:18 cornfeedhobo: mircea_popescu: sounds like a fun 3 years

20:13:20 mircea_popescu: guy's kinda add.

20:13:23 mircea_popescu: **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Apr 8 16:13:16 2012

20:13:24 mircea_popescu: Apr 08 16:13:16 * Now talking on #bitcoin-otc

20:13:24 mircea_popescu: Apr 08 16:13:16 * Topic for #bitcoin-otc is: OTC marketplace for Bitcoin trading and exchange. | http://bitcoin-otc.com/ | http://bit.ly/x56Fd5 | Start with the ;;guide | Before trading, talk to people, and check ratings. | Beware the FRAUDSTERS. ;;fraud | Trade Options: http://polimedia.us/btc | Bitcoin VPS: http://bitvps.com | BTC → MP @ http://btcpak.com | Support bitcoin-otc! 1F1dPZxdxVVigpGdsafnZ3cFBdMGDADFDe

20:13:25 assbot: #bitcoin-otc ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hx0f8w )

20:13:28 assbot: Bitcoin-otc channel guidelines - bitcoin-otc wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hx0ikJ )

20:13:29 assbot: MPEx, the Bitcoin securities exchange. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hx0gcJ )

20:13:31 assbot: BitVPS: SSD VPS & Dedicated Servers for Bitcoin | SSD VPS + Dedicated Servers for Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hx0gti )

20:13:34 mircea_popescu: Apr 08 16:13:16 * Topic for #bitcoin-otc set by nanotube!~nanotube@unaffiliated/nanotube at Wed Apr 4 06:47:00 2012

20:13:34 mircea_popescu: ^going through old logs.

20:13:46 mircea_popescu: does -otc still have sponsors or nomoar ?

20:14:01 cornfeedhobo: i havent seen one in a year, i think

20:14:17 joecool: -otc can't even pull together an events bot

20:14:42 cornfeedhobo: afaik, the ops have one

20:14:43 mircea_popescu: well, let it be a lesson to all aspiring states : don't allow gmaxwells anywhere near anything, or they'll shit up your future.

20:15:15 cornfeedhobo: gmaxwell? i think i may have missed the drama involving him ... mind filling me in?

20:15:37 mircea_popescu: cornfeedhobo http://fraudsters.com/2013/the-froth-of-our-days/

20:15:38 assbot: The froth of our days pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hx0Wid )

20:17:51 cornfeedhobo: hahaha "LOL @ #bitcoin-otc-nsfw is a danieldaniel free zone."

20:18:19 mircea_popescu: i think guy was like 16 or something at the time

20:18:39 mircea_popescu: http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-otc/logs/2012/04/07#l1333839931 << bitvps had one of those "vote your favorite face" thing

20:18:40 assbot: BitcoinStats ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hx1FjD )

20:18:41 cornfeedhobo: he is 16 now. i have met him in NYC. not a fan.

20:19:20 mircea_popescu: a really ? i never kept too close track. just a kid wandered in one day.

20:19:33 mircea_popescu: 22:13 rg soon you guys can invest in BitVPS

20:19:48 cornfeedhobo: he has gone out of his way too many times to be extremely rude. i found it fitting when he was hired by CoinBase

20:20:04 cornfeedhobo: (customer support)

20:20:45 mircea_popescu: Apr 06 06:24:27 <rg> just set your password to asdfghjkl;' that way you can zip through the whole row. the enter key is even at the end. thats to root password to every bitvps server.

20:20:46 mircea_popescu: Apr 06 06:25:10 <pigeons> i set mine to "incorrect", so when i forget it, the app tells me

20:20:49 mircea_popescu: good old days lol

20:21:06 cornfeedhobo: lol

20:21:10 mircea_popescu: cornfeedhobo isn't support the hell computer afficionados go to die in ?

20:23:02 joecool: cornfeedhobo: still think the best was seeing a minor (danieldaniel) lend btc to a heroin addict (rg), -otc is always good entertainment

20:23:02 cornfeedhobo: that is certainly what i have always thought

20:23:11 cornfeedhobo: indeed

20:23:21 cornfeedhobo: and cry about not getting it back. lol

20:24:05 mircea_popescu: jborkl: What was the rate, 7% per day? Or week << per week

20:24:21 mircea_popescu: but he had an insider deal where he paid the various captains of industry more so they got the idea to resell.

20:24:47 mircea_popescu: joecool when was this ?

20:25:16 joecool: mircea_popescu: about a year or so ago

20:25:23 mircea_popescu: after my time.

20:26:07 jborkl: sweet action, 7% per week... seems so realistic

20:26:35 thestringpuller: cornfeedhobo: danieldaniel is a weird kid.

20:26:36 mircea_popescu: at the time, bitcoin was a few dollars and basically nobody gave much of a shit.

20:26:44 thestringpuller: he's trustworthy tho, or at least was.

20:26:59 mircea_popescu: eventually people started caring and it got crushed into the dirt, but for a year or so all sorts of bugs got to dance on the tools an' pretend.

20:27:00 thestringpuller: I think he spends too much time in front of a computer and not enough time sleeping with girls.

20:27:26 jborkl: yeah, the weekend btcst went bust it dropped to $8

20:28:01 mircea_popescu: it was oscilating aroudn there, at some point prior the pirate muppet was "going to ruin the price" while it went from low 6s to 7s.

20:28:13 mircea_popescu: that was some lulzy log

20:28:32 mircea_popescu: i dun recall which chan it was in tho, some pricewatchers something

20:29:09 thestringpuller: man i miss those days

20:30:32 mircea_popescu: i recall this one instance where i was going to buy some btc but the guy turned out to only have like 5 or so, and i was meh, for that much not worth my time going into paypal.

20:30:43 assbot: cornfeedhobo +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0

20:30:48 mircea_popescu: !up cornfeedhobo

20:31:00 mircea_popescu: this was during that dry summer when it stayed at 2.x

20:31:00 thestringpuller: ;;gettrust mircea_popescu gmaxwell

20:31:01 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user gmaxwell: Level 1: -10, Level 2: 20 via 14 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=gmaxwell | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=gmaxwell | Rated since: Mon Jul 25 13:49:45 2011

20:31:13 thestringpuller: lol i think he is rated lower than magicaltux

20:31:17 cornfeedhobo: thestringpuller: he is trustworthy because someone doxxed him a while back. even posted pictures of his mom. I never got the sense that it was genuine, but i could be wrong.

20:31:24 mircea_popescu: who ?

20:31:29 thestringpuller: ;;gettrust mircea_popescu magicaltux

20:31:29 cornfeedhobo: danieldaniel

20:31:30 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user magicaltux: Level 1: -1, Level 2: -22 via 14 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=magicaltux | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=magicaltux | Rated since: Mon Dec 20 13:21:21 2010

20:31:42 mircea_popescu: is danielmom hot ?

20:32:09 cornfeedhobo: i dont recall

20:32:47 rithm: man o man\

20:32:54 rithm: all that text up above

20:33:46 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-12-2014#958826 << somehow nobody goes "o look, mp paid 100s of btc so bitcoin financial space may exist"

20:33:46 assbot: Logged on 22-12-2014 22:14:11; jurov: http://fraudsters.com/2013/rota-post-mortem/ << Anduck see the discussion, it's mircea's and kako's sacrosanct right to arrange unprotected hole in the foyer with a sign "whatever falls here, is our property"

20:34:07 mircea_popescu: yet plenty of idiot muppets going "o noes, we tried to scam with 10 btc and it didn't work out like we wanted it to BLAME MP"

20:35:17 mircea_popescu: kinda why democracy is a fucking stupid idea. the only logical counterbalance to the common man's moral myopia is a solid grasp on the кнут.

20:36:20 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu is the next great khan...

20:36:30 thestringpuller: khan of khans!

20:36:41 *: thestringpuller has been watching too much netflix

20:37:35 mircea_popescu: i imagine neflix goes gangbusters mid to late decvember

20:38:41 thestringpuller: that was a good radio program.

20:38:47 jborkl: thestringpuller, i watched four episodes last night.

20:38:53 jborkl: i was really bored

20:39:18 mircea_popescu: http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=340 bwahahaha

20:39:20 assbot: #bitcoin-assets bash ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hx8fXl )

20:39:23 thestringpuller: jborkl: hit or miss right? my asian friend calls it "asian GoT without the dragons"

20:39:33 rithm: http://fraudsters.com/2013/rota-post-mortem/ i find personally offensive still

20:39:33 assbot: ROTA, post mortem. pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hx8kKr )

20:39:36 rithm: perma-disagreement

20:39:47 jborkl: that is about right actually

20:40:44 rithm: afaik the rota thing was a mircea and wences setup

20:40:57 rithm: so everyone can blow me anyways

20:41:24 mircea_popescu: what's so offensive about it ? you had a chance to be like intelligent and prove the common man should have a voice.

20:41:32 mircea_popescu: you used it to prove the common man belongs silent.

20:41:40 mircea_popescu: either way, you know ? things should be what they are.

20:41:58 rithm: that's some sort of twisting of the facts. pay me to discuss it with you and I might.

20:42:32 rithm: i still have the full channel logs

20:43:15 kakobrekla: >The total damage steming from this latest naivity of mine is 150 BTC in owed salaries which become due in December < this was actually paid ?

20:43:17 mircea_popescu: what, trying to imply something's missing ? nothing's missing, it's all there.

20:43:22 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla myeah.

20:43:27 kakobrekla: to whom?

20:43:39 mircea_popescu: to, for instance, rithm

20:43:48 rithm: i can look up the txid if you need

20:43:51 kakobrekla: he got 50?

20:43:54 mircea_popescu: iirc rassah didn't want it because he didn't think he had done anything

20:44:02 mircea_popescu: which i can respek.

20:44:39 rithm: i still haz it if you want it back

20:44:45 mircea_popescu: nop.

20:45:16 mircea_popescu: teh great lesson of bitcoinz : there's no backsies.

20:45:42 mircea_popescu: i never had any idea, but liek... teh most fundamentally humane thing actually is going "hey, try again"

20:45:50 mircea_popescu: that is about as unnatural as it gets.

20:47:27 rithm: i'm not sure how someone'e else lack of decision making skills and causality and what-not becomes my failure

20:47:29 rithm: but whatevs

20:49:44 kakobrekla: seems like im listed in the judge list as well. just ftr i did not receive any compensation for my non-work (as i was not involved in a case).

20:50:12 mircea_popescu: yeah you and a 2nd that never actually got to go on a jury didn't get anything. i think mebbe it was jurov ?

20:50:55 mircea_popescu: !up Elio20

20:51:57 mircea_popescu: anyway, better off this way, had the democratic delusions failed to explode we'd just have been belabouring under falsepremises for this interval mostl likely, wouldn't have the lordship list and the supremely valuable understanding of what hierarchy means in society and why equalitarianism is the fruit of the devil jacking off and so on.

20:52:13 mircea_popescu: or at least, i would have been.

20:52:17 *: rithm goes to kill himself

20:58:29 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: well just don't get arrested over freedom of speech lol << speech isn't really a freedom at that point is it?

20:58:39 mircea_popescu: quite.

20:59:00 mircea_popescu: i wonder how many people noticed the subtle change from freedom of speech to an alleged "right" of free speech.

20:59:29 thestringpuller: http://www.livingstondaily.com/story/news/local/community/brighton/2014/12/21/cursing-teen-mill-pond-ignites-debate-freedom-speech/20745957/ << this guy

20:59:34 mircea_popescu: the difference between rights and freedoms being essentially the difference between pearl necklaces and dog collars.

20:59:50 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller not bad.

21:00:20 mircea_popescu: in any case : a freedom is something the people have, and the state can't take away. the rights are constructions that the state gives, and so the state can take away.

21:00:30 mircea_popescu: trading a freedom for a right is always a bad deal.

21:01:09 mircea_popescu: and it's what generally happens whenever a state claims to be "protecting rights". it's not protecting anything, it's stealing freedom and issuing in its place token "rights". which, much like its paper currency, are fiat worthlessness.

21:01:32 thestringpuller: !up cornfeedhobo

21:06:31 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-12-2014#958919 << http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-11-2014#924338

21:06:31 assbot: Logged on 22-12-2014 23:21:23; mike_c: <+Anduck> if you have nothing to contribute, you don't need to type anything here... k? << have you been in this channel before?

21:06:31 assbot: Logged on 15-11-2014 21:25:49; mircea_popescu: yes.

21:10:25 mike_c: it was more meant as a rebuttal to his comment. people who have nothing to contribute type in here often :) he was a glaring example.

21:11:23 mike_c: btw kakobrekla, i was thinking possible an easy solution to the whole problem of "negrated person won't leave" might be another command. like !recheck Anduck. then if his l2 is no good assbot boots him.

21:11:38 mircea_popescu: the link actually is to his previous bout of derping here

21:11:44 mike_c: it has been an issue at least once before

21:12:03 mircea_popescu: mike_c what's the delay currently, like 15 minutes ?

21:12:15 mike_c: i believe it's infinite

21:12:18 mircea_popescu: people still can /ignore for that short interval, what's teh big deal

21:12:22 mike_c: until the person parts

21:12:39 thestringpuller: mike_c: there will always be netsplits

21:12:39 mircea_popescu: nah, !down works once l2 trust is <1

21:12:40 kakobrekla: well, the delay is the duration of his connection, which isnt too bad considering this is freenode.

21:13:01 mike_c: no, !down doesn't work once l2 trust is <1

21:13:06 mircea_popescu: o.O

21:13:14 mircea_popescu: what am i missing ?!

21:13:15 joecool: who is L2 trust between, mp and user?

21:13:21 mike_c: assbot and user

21:13:22 mircea_popescu: ;;google assbot joecool

21:13:23 gribble: Rating Details for User 'assbot' - Bitcoin OTC: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=assbot&sign=ANY&type=SENT; PREV: 17-04-2014 - #bitcoin-assets log: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-04-2014; NEXT: 14-03-2014 - #bitcoin-assets log: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-03-2014

21:13:26 mircea_popescu: i mean

21:13:30 mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot joecool

21:13:31 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask joecool!~joecool@no-sources/joecool. Trust relationship from user assbot to user joecool: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=joecool | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=joecool | Rated since: Thu Apr 28 14:23:15 2011

21:13:37 mircea_popescu: !down joecool

21:13:43 mircea_popescu: oh because l1 ?

21:13:46 joecool: i guess

21:13:55 kakobrekla: mno.

21:14:05 mike_c: but regardless, it doesn't work. person has to part. this is why kako had to boot anduck manually.

21:14:10 mircea_popescu: speak the word of god kako. why is it ?

21:14:28 cazalla: austeritysucks: csgo items mostly <<< if ya ever come back, lemme know the site

21:14:34 kakobrekla: if you up yourself, nobody can down you for the session.

21:14:57 kakobrekla: the trust is checked on up only.

21:15:16 mircea_popescu: would it be hard to check on !down too ?

21:15:53 mircea_popescu: leaving a loophole there deliberately where someone with >1 l1 and 0 l2 can still voice themselves

21:16:01 mircea_popescu: but can also be devoiced whenever

21:16:14 mircea_popescu: then we can count how often this happens to de-l1 people.

21:17:24 kakobrekla: no the 'problem' is that if gribble hops and you reup you will be able to down everyone who has not reupped or some shit like that

21:17:54 mircea_popescu: is this a notable problem ?

21:17:55 joecool: gribble nor fleanode are exactly reliable

21:18:10 mircea_popescu: i mean, suppose you do that. so ? people can just reup outside of your control, all you achieve is piss off the wot list.

21:18:12 mircea_popescu: which... why ?

21:18:43 mike_c: yeah, that would likely only happen once.

21:19:05 kakobrekla: ill see what i can do.

21:19:14 mircea_popescu: i like when he says that.

21:20:02 mircea_popescu: usually it ends up a little later with "here's the thing we were talking about, except i built it inside a submarine just in case. and here's some beer i brewed and by the way, do you know candi and brandi ? they're twins."

21:21:29 mircea_popescu: bwahaha irrogant. bashed

21:22:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12800 @ 0.00063513 = 8.1297 BTC [-]

21:22:45 mircea_popescu: alrighty, well, that was all for me today. hohoho an' merry xmas yo!

21:50:18 cazalla: !up austeritysucks

21:50:45 cazalla: meh, not auth'd, if someone else can up him in meantime

21:55:09 danielpbarron: !up bagels7

21:55:17 danielpbarron: !up austeritysucks

21:55:31 cazalla: austeritysucks, what's your csgo site?

22:00:33 austeritysucks: cazalla, i handle transactions through a subreddit and csgolounge

22:00:57 assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/224VP52.txt )

22:00:57 danielpbarron: !b 2

22:01:26 cazalla: do good volume? butterfly knives seem ideal means to go from fiat -> steam -> butterfly knife -> rmt -> bitcoin

22:01:52 cazalla: then flip it to someone who wants the knife for bitcoin, making a small btc profit

22:02:36 austeritysucks: eh its okay, hard to get people to reject paypal and go with btc

22:02:53 austeritysucks: paypal is horrible for digital goods though so it's a natural fit, just hard to get the community to adopt it

22:02:56 cazalla: yeah, get scammers offering to buy weapons using paypal all the time

22:03:11 cazalla: bitcoin is such a good fit for this

22:03:39 austeritysucks: im working on a btc/csgokey exchange

22:03:44 austeritysucks: since keys are used as the fixed currency to trade

22:04:01 cazalla: by cheaters and smurfs perhaps

22:04:16 austeritysucks: hm?

22:04:37 austeritysucks: its just that keys are used in the trade window, so they're the best "currency" to be used in trading higher value items

22:04:51 cazalla: ah soz, i was thinking cd keys not key keys

22:04:51 austeritysucks: to avoid 15% steamtax

22:05:30 cazalla: i think maybe you will see more of bitcoin in that as time goes on

22:05:56 austeritysucks: yea so my idea was instead of recreating the steam community market for bitcoin, just narrowing down to the keys would be simple to implement

22:06:22 austeritysucks: so people could buy keys for below store price in BTC and safely cash out their inventory to real cash by selling items for keys and selling keys on exchange

22:07:02 cazalla: dunno why uptake is so slow by gamers, i'd have killed for something like this back in everquest

22:09:21 austeritysucks: yea a charge-back free payment system is natural, but you see the typical excuses from people who refuse to adapt

22:10:14 austeritysucks: unfortunately credit cards all have chargeback, and until people can acquire bitcoins with creditcards at point of sale to remove the buyer from the "confusion" of the payment mechanism

22:10:26 austeritysucks: then there is this learning curve that nobody wants to climb

22:11:00 cazalla: give it time, it'll come i think

22:11:27 austeritysucks: there needs to be a reverse-bitpay :P

22:11:46 austeritysucks: but because of how credit cards work its really impossible to do it

22:11:59 austeritysucks: which is exactly how the monopolists want it

22:13:22 cazalla: i'm sure there are some kids who during bored summer holidays will figure out how to get bitcoin and buy/sell habbo items and shit like that

22:13:56 cazalla: so credit card issue isn't really a big one or steam monopoly etc

22:14:10 austeritysucks: no its the visa/mastercard monopoly

22:14:32 austeritysucks: a btc exchange for csgo keys is definitely doable

22:14:44 austeritysucks: but so many people will avoid using it because they can't acquire btc without bank transfer etc

22:14:47 cazalla: i don't follow, how does that bother me if i already have bitcoin and i want to buy/sell butterfly knives?

22:14:51 punkman: austeritysucks: https://www.payza.com/ this lets you receive CC payments and withdraw BTC, don't know anyone that uses them though

22:14:53 assbot: Payza | Send Money, Receive Payment, Money Transfer, Shop & Sell Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1CxBX02 )

22:15:37 cazalla: pretty easy to purchase small amount of btc now austeritysucks

22:15:53 austeritysucks: cazalla, the majority of people prefer paypal over bitcoin in the community unfortuantely, so the big issue is getting people to adopt bitcoin, i was suggesting that an easy way to promote adoption is to get people to be removed from the btc payment mechanism and have a userfirendl front end that is like using CC, but behind the scenes iti s buying BTC, transferring BTC (and maybe even

22:15:53 austeritysucks: BTC->fiat again for the seller)

22:15:56 punkman: yeah Circle works in a lot of countries

22:16:12 austeritysucks: cazalla, not with the way most people make such payments (cc)

22:16:34 austeritysucks: the minute there is any place that allows for simple cc buy of btc you will have lots of stolen cc's using the service to get btc

22:16:48 punkman: Circle is that place

22:17:02 cazalla: but that is not the buyer's problem

22:17:21 cazalla: i don't really give two shits if circle gets carded to death, i can buy with my own cc in the meantime

22:18:31 austeritysucks: punkman, is it a secret place? i google circle btc and get nothing

22:18:45 austeritysucks: oh nevermind i typo'd sorry

22:18:47 punkman: they are kinda retarded

22:18:48 punkman: https://www.circle.com/en

22:18:49 assbot: Circle Internet Financial | Bitcoin Wallet, Bitcoin Payments, Bitcoin Insurance ... ( http://bit.ly/1CxCIXc )

22:19:08 punkman: sends me 3 SMS every time I login/buy/withdraw

22:19:32 punkman: l33t security

22:19:47 austeritysucks: hm

22:19:50 austeritysucks: well ill look into it

22:20:39 austeritysucks: but for now i want to get the steam bot C# code working and then the front-end listings/btc purchase php stuff

22:21:19 austeritysucks: because i think if at least the key:btc exchange works with 1 steam bot then it will be easy to expand nad once expanded people will adopt BTC for the purpose of being able to cahs out to real money so drama-free

22:21:52 cazalla: maybe think a little further down the road and think of people wanting to cash out items to bitcoin instead of cash

22:22:06 cazalla: because that's is where that market will move anyway

22:22:09 austeritysucks: but i try my best to encourage people, set them up a hotwallet, shoot them $1 in btc or something ,and get their lips wet

22:22:25 austeritysucks: cazalla, yes that is what the focus is

22:22:36 austeritysucks: cazalla, and theres already many options for ppl to go btc to cash, that's not my concern.

22:22:39 austeritysucks: my concern was people going cash to BTC

22:22:44 austeritysucks: to use the exchange at all

22:23:04 cazalla: well, as punkman said, circle.. refer your customers there to get btc instead of paypal

22:23:46 punkman: this is pretty cool http://mattmahoney.net/dc/zpaq.html

22:23:47 assbot: ZPAQ ... ( http://bit.ly/1CxDZxh )

22:24:10 punkman: I'm thinking zpaq > gpg > rsync

22:26:08 danielpbarron: !up austeritysucks

22:27:52 austeritysucks: "At this time, bank accounts and credit cards from your country cannot be linked to Circle. Our apologies for the inconvenience. " :(

22:28:03 austeritysucks: coinbase however works in my country

22:28:27 cazalla: works here in australia too austeritysucks although a lot of people report otherwise

22:28:38 austeritysucks: cazalla, but yea i dont want to get horse in front of carriage i need to make this exchange system working better before i worry about expanding customers right

22:29:10 austeritysucks: cazalla, i've been using it to eliminate volatility in receiving btc payments

22:29:27 cazalla: i have things to do, nice talking austeritysucks

22:29:29 austeritysucks: so it has worked fine for me but i have yet to withdraw so i can't fully vouch

22:29:35 austeritysucks: ok have a good one cazalla you too

22:33:18 kakobrekla: punkman the less dependencies the better. (also saw this in bbet cli :)

22:39:24 punkman: this zpaq thing could almost fit in head

22:48:08 punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-12-2014#955217 < previously mentioned, is turd

22:48:08 assbot: Logged on 17-12-2014 02:31:07; punkman: backup with deduplication and gpg encryption http://obnam.org

22:48:42 kakobrekla: space is cheap anyway

22:48:44 punkman: https://attic-backup.org/ was also a contender, but I don't trust it

22:48:44 assbot: Welcome to Attic — Attic - Deduplicating Archiver 0.14 documentation ... ( http://bit.ly/13C7wXA )

22:48:55 punkman: space yes, bandwidth no

22:49:11 kakobrekla: eh?

22:49:30 punkman: I usually have around 2mbit upload

22:49:33 kakobrekla: backup to two different offsite servers

22:49:36 punkman: can't backup big stuff offsite

22:51:03 kakobrekla: wait you want to backup your local stuff to some internet server ?

22:53:29 punkman: well yeah, not unencrypted

22:53:50 kakobrekla: why not locally?

22:54:01 punkman: why not both?

22:54:20 kakobrekla: because you have 2mbit upload.

22:55:05 kakobrekla: i also dont do it. cause if have half of your upload and a few tb of stuff.

22:55:15 punkman: yeah but with deduplication/incrementals it's gonna work

22:56:07 punkman: you can ship TB drives to datacenter, then do incrementals

22:56:46 kakobrekla: well, you can also bounce it off the moon on the way to dc.

23:17:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15957 @ 0.00066373 = 10.5911 BTC [+] {2}

23:42:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1038 @ 0.00120342 = 1.2491 BTC [-] {14}