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00:00:16 Ademan: damn, what's with the AM1 plummet?

00:00:45 BingoBoingo: Ademan: Everything is with the AsicMiner plummet

00:00:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1291 @ 0.00086807 = 1.1207 BTC [-] {3}

00:02:12 Ademan: BingoBoingo: I had stopped watching around the time it bottomed out, but it looked like it was on its way back up

00:02:30 BingoBoingo: Ademan: Do they have a new farm with new chips?

00:03:47 Ademan: BingoBoingo: thought they were supposed to in Q1? Unless there was a delay.

00:04:18 Ademan: (Since it wasn't scheduled to have happened yet, I don't know what would have shaken confidence)

00:04:49 BingoBoingo: Ademan: And the rate at which people build up Bitfurries and Knc miners in their farms and ambiguous date like Q1 mean what exactly?

00:06:04 BingoBoingo: Your average 'Murican back country gas station has their inventory timed to a roughly 15 minute degree of precision as to when it gets replenished.

00:06:39 BingoBoingo: As BTC matures bullshit like, "we get new stuff sometime in this 3 month window" is going to be tolerated less and less

00:07:27 BingoBoingo: Also I imagine muppets who would have happily piled onto AM last year are now throwing their money away at Cex.io

00:08:02 BingoBoingo: I mean Cex.io has a website, it's .io just like inputs, what could go wrong?

00:08:06 Ademan: BingoBoingo: Well if invetors thought a 3 month window was BS, why the price increase in the first place? Pure speculation?

00:08:10 Apocalyptic: <BingoBoingo> As BTC matures bullshit like, "we get new stuff sometime in this 3 month window" is going to be tolerated less and less // I sometimes wonder why it's even tolerated now

00:08:26 kakobrekla: cause people .

00:08:34 BingoBoingo: Ademan: Moar like ppl nead to read moar

00:08:42 Ademan: Aren't products delayed by months constantly in non-BTC markets too?

00:08:50 kakobrekla: also cause greed

00:08:56 kakobrekla: but that is cause people.

00:08:56 BingoBoingo: Apocalyptic: It is tolerated now because still too many people haven't lost enough coin yet

00:09:43 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo in fact, more coin has been lost so far than will be lost in the future i bet.

00:10:00 BingoBoingo: Ademan: Products being sold generally aren't delayed by months. The new cars of the new model year reliably arrive sometime in the summer.

00:10:19 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I wouldn't take the other side of that bet.

00:10:28 kakobrekla: mircea_popescu thats just cause its worth so god damn much.

00:10:33 mircea_popescu: mhm.

00:11:10 mircea_popescu: anyway, the choice practically is either get gypped (the cars example) or get gypped (the miners example).

00:11:29 mircea_popescu: of course cars for the new model year arrive reliably. you're paying a lot more than what they're worth.

00:11:31 BingoBoingo: Or... you know do the store of value thing.

00:11:49 Ademan: BingoBoingo: Cars aren't a create comparison though, cars are all made by a small number of enormous players.

00:11:53 mircea_popescu: scams also arrive reliably every few months, for the same reason

00:12:22 BingoBoingo: Tomorrow to breath new life into my motor carriage I plan to let it idle in the drive way until the check engine light disappears because sensor crud has been cooked.

00:12:39 BingoBoingo: Ademan: And how many people seriously make BTC ASIC?

00:13:11 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo nobody that owns their own foundry. how do you think the car market would look if they had to beg aluminum siding producers for freebie runs /

00:13:13 BingoBoingo: How many people run foundries BTC ASIC makers use to cook chips

00:13:23 Ademan: BingoBoingo: I guess the number doesn't matter so much, my real point was car companies are HUGE

00:13:32 Ademan: and well established

00:13:37 mircea_popescu: and well bankrupt.

00:13:46 BingoBoingo: Ademan: NASA is huge, but NSA is huger

00:13:49 asciilifeform: i still say that ~all the foundries are baking miners. just not ones that you can buy and plug in.

00:14:18 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform exactly like all strippers hooking on the side take btc.

00:14:27 mircea_popescu: it would make sense for them to, yes. ain't happening irl.

00:14:50 Ademan: BingoBoingo: More or less what I was saying (and may be wrong about) is that industries with market caps of similar size to BTC ASICs probably have similarly bad delays/timelines and/or shove shit out the door prematurely to meet said deadlines

00:14:50 asciilifeform: nobody at the plant needs to know about the little special strange thrown onto the die (in the space where they'd otherwise print 'here be dragons')

00:15:24 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I know a couple people running foundries for dirt track stock cars who work on that model. They aren't doing bad, but they do much better than they were when they were bagging groceries and corpses (apparetly people into dirt track racing find getting an EMT cert attractive until they do the EMT thing for real)

00:15:29 asciilifeform: to me this seems as much of a certainty as every sufficiently large freighter docked in u.s. port containing some cocaine

00:15:31 mircea_popescu: if people were this entreprenorial i'd probably be married.

00:15:51 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo ok, but they

00:15:57 mircea_popescu: re nt doing the whole summer model year thing

00:16:15 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform cocaine has been around for centuries. this matters.

00:16:36 mircea_popescu: it's one thing to say "any large group of highschool girls contains some that aren't virgins"

00:16:59 mircea_popescu: it's another to say "any large group of highschool girls contains some that are shaved", especially if it's 1880 and shaving has just been invented.

00:17:41 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well they have to conform to the racing season so they produce on a stricter schedule than say Ford. Then again cottage industry and the inefficiencies that come with such a thing

00:19:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 71 @ 0.00480049 = 0.3408 BTC [-] {3}

00:19:50 BingoBoingo: Obama with Cash for Clunkers did more damage to their industry than any single thing other than the development of fuel injection

00:20:03 mircea_popescu: how you figure ?

00:20:31 Ademan: BingoBoingo: fuel injection damaged the auto industry?

00:21:00 BingoBoingo: A shit Caprice used to sell to the scrapper for $50 or them for $500. Now the same shit Caprice can't sell to the scapper because it goes to them for $2500

00:21:15 Ademan: used car prices are bullshit right now, that's for sure

00:21:16 BingoBoingo: Ademan: It damaged certain recreational auto industries.

00:21:40 mircea_popescu: if us folk saw the eu used car market...

00:21:54 Ademan: mircea_popescu: good or bad?

00:22:06 mircea_popescu: you can get something that'll run for as low as 2-300 euros.

00:22:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 12 @ 0.02600082 = 0.312 BTC [-] {2}

00:22:47 Ademan: you can do that here, but it'd probably only run for a month heh, and you'd have to know the person

00:23:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 176 @ 0.00480001 = 0.8448 BTC [-]

00:23:39 mircea_popescu: a ? i was under the impression there's no bottom in the us.

00:23:39 Ademan: and it might kill you in a fender bender

00:24:06 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well in the example of the Caprices it is for cars which will likely meet their end the first time in competition (body on frame construction is essential in a demolition derby)

00:24:59 mircea_popescu: lol someone's selling a Maybach 57 @130k EUR

00:26:26 Duffer1: buying a new car?

00:26:35 Ademan: '57 new

00:26:44 Duffer1: new to you :P

00:26:56 mircea_popescu: nah.

00:27:01 Namworld: I guess that's cheap

00:27:03 Apocalyptic: <mircea_popescu> you can get something that'll run for as low as 2-300 euros. // in Romania maybe

00:27:29 BingoBoingo: I had the chance to make a '63 Chrysler imperial my first car for $1500. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_%28automobile%29

00:27:36 BingoBoingo: I regret not going through with it

00:27:49 mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic yes, if you drive the extra 500 miles to the ukraine you can prolly get it even cheaper >D

00:27:55 dub: i sold a car for ~300 eur worth last month

00:28:04 Ademan: dub: what car?

00:28:16 pizzaman1337: I'm pretty sure it's just "Ukraine", not "the Ukraine"

00:28:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 91 @ 0.00299919 = 0.2729 BTC [+]

00:28:30 dub: '97 nissan maxima

00:28:52 Ademan: haha

00:28:53 BingoBoingo: pizzaman1337: "The" is even more essential to Ukraine than Ohio State (Ohio being a bubbling shitpit)

00:28:56 Ademan: (actually not bad cars)

00:29:00 dub: needed a new master cylinder

00:29:04 Ademan: oh, ew

00:29:09 dub: otherwise worked fine I just didnt want it

00:29:46 nubbins`: re: jpmorgan

00:29:48 nubbins`: “It doesn’t have the standing of a government.”

00:29:50 nubbins`: my sides, etc

00:30:13 dub: only another 250-300 eur to make it a 1000 eur car but couldnt be fucked

00:30:22 mircea_popescu: nubbins` it's instructive tho. according to dimon, the only marketable value of jpm is that it's a hand puppet of the usg.

00:30:32 mircea_popescu: this obviously is logically equivalent to saying jpm is bankrupt.

00:30:49 nubbins`: well heh, we all knew that.

00:30:51 mircea_popescu: yet his ideology blind him to the obvious.

00:30:52 nubbins`: “It’s a terrible store of value. It could be replicated over and over,”

00:31:01 nubbins`: ^ you seriously couldn't have asked for a better quip

00:31:03 BingoBoingo: Things I would do if I had a time machine: Buy the Imperial, Mine bitcoins in '09, hire a stable of girls to drive the Imperial around while I ride godfather in the back seat.

00:31:04 mircea_popescu: yeah. government could not. bitcoin could.

00:31:05 nubbins`: from someone who deals in USD

00:31:07 jurov: my friends only buy used cars in belgium or so

00:31:07 mircea_popescu: logic of win.

00:31:22 nubbins`: triple facepalm

00:31:24 jurov: because all around here they have fake odometers

00:31:32 mircea_popescu: pizzaman1337 nah, it's the

00:31:51 BingoBoingo: jurov: That is why you ring a stethescope when you go car shopping.

00:32:00 nubbins`: the fake ones have a murmur?

00:32:16 BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Nah, you treat the odometer as irrelevant

00:32:25 BingoBoingo: Go for a good motor

00:32:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00299919 = 0.2999 BTC [+]

00:32:53 jurov: even completely flooded cars are cleaned and sold.. you say it can be detected by stethoscope?

00:32:54 mircea_popescu: perhaps use the stethoscope on the chick drivers too.

00:33:03 nubbins`: ^ to check for murmurs

00:33:03 Ademan: anyone in here own NEOBEE? It sounded interesting but I couldn't be arsed to do my due dilligence, so I've stayed out.

00:33:22 assbot: Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1566676/plain/)

00:33:22 kakobrekla: !b 1

00:33:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 212 @ 0.00299919 = 0.6358 BTC [+]

00:33:30 Ademan: kakobrekla: :-(

00:33:36 nubbins`: Ademan: if generating magazine/newspaper articles was their business, they'd be the most successful btc venture ever

00:33:45 kakobrekla: lol

00:34:08 jurov: nubbins`: don't forget 3d models of branches and HQ

00:34:11 kakobrekla: i saw they are speaking in the conf that is happening now in miami or smth

00:34:16 BingoBoingo: jurov: My first car was a flood recovery, ran great. Second car a used rental, runs disappointing but was never in a flood

00:34:23 Ademan: Who do I petition to keep my name out of that hall of shame?

00:34:32 kakobrekla: try assbot

00:34:32 pankkake: and helping failing exchanges

00:34:38 Apocalyptic: <jurov> because all around here they have fake odometers // so true

00:34:42 nubbins`: s/shame/fame

00:34:43 pankkake: maybe it's a too big to fail thing

00:34:43 BingoBoingo: Ademan: You'd have to petition everyone.

00:35:01 nubbins`: so wait, there's a fucking chess tournament on the go in here now?

00:35:07 nubbins`: that sure grew legs fast

00:35:09 mircea_popescu: <nubbins`> Ademan: if generating magazine/newspaper articles was their business, they'd be the most successful btc venture ever << ouch.

00:35:13 BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Yup. Round robin

00:35:29 BingoBoingo: nubbins`: You, me truffles and Namworld

00:35:38 truffles: what i do!

00:35:41 nubbins`: mp, i have occasional moments of lucidity

00:35:47 BingoBoingo: nubbins`: You are included by Mircea's decree

00:36:00 truffles: i play tired u can play drunk!

00:36:11 nubbins`: but i'm not drunk D:

00:36:14 BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Just don't fall for truffle's need for speed

00:36:15 Ademan: yet!

00:36:22 nubbins`: bingo, i live life at my own pace

00:36:40 truffles: i told him its inchat play whenever he's ready, he's forever not ready :p

00:37:13 nubbins`: okay, choose heads or tails and we'll get gribs to ;;flip a coin

00:37:23 truffles: not now!

00:37:26 nubbins`: LEL

00:37:30 nubbins`: WHAT DO YOU WANT FROM ME

00:37:32 nubbins`: ;(

00:37:38 truffles: ure like 1hr late

00:37:41 truffles: im done for the day

00:37:51 truffles: what r u doing tomorrow

00:37:54 BingoBoingo: nubbins`: lemme set up a board and I can play

00:37:55 nubbins`: i think this means loss by forfeit

00:38:08 nubbins`: truffles: same thing i do every day, hustliong

00:38:08 mircea_popescu: ahahaha this beats all : btctalk removed noobie restrictions

00:38:12 nubbins`: *hustling

00:38:17 nubbins`: mircea_popescu: :(

00:38:17 mircea_popescu: is now ip banning people and taking a fee to unban

00:38:33 mircea_popescu: turning into a sort of postmodern 4chan already

00:38:35 Ademan: IP ban? really?

00:38:45 nubbins`: do you get VIP status if you pay to unban yourself enough times?

00:38:58 mircea_popescu: prolly should be asked, but i don't see why not/

00:39:12 nubbins`: that's rich

00:39:24 nubbins`: not as rich as thermos, but still rich

00:39:27 mircea_popescu: it's really moving right along.

00:39:54 mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=423995.0

00:39:55 ozbot: End of newbie restrictions; ban changes

00:39:57 nubbins`: wait, are you supposed to call him thermos when he makes good decisions or bad ones?

00:40:03 nubbins`: can't keep it straight

00:40:22 Apocalyptic: nubbins`, just call it thermos all the time

00:40:31 nubbins`: ok

00:41:14 mircea_popescu: all the shill masters were wasting too much time trying to get more accounts in.

00:41:20 nubbins`: "These IP bans apply only to registration: you can no longer get caught by random IP bans if you're using an established account."

00:41:30 nubbins`: well that takes the wind out of it

00:41:51 nubbins`: oh cool, i'm a "Sr. Member" now

00:41:53 kakobrekla: random ip ban?!

00:42:02 kakobrekla: sounds something like bitbet is missing.

00:42:08 kakobrekla: whatdayasay mp?

00:42:10 Ademan: pffftt

00:42:12 nubbins`: Señor Member

00:42:21 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla better random btc address ban

00:42:44 nubbins`: kakobrekla, ban diceroll should take place after a wager is sent

00:42:49 mircea_popescu: nubbins` doesn't that make you feel like a penis ?

00:42:51 BingoBoingo: Just don't ban 1lvcunts

00:43:03 truffles: haha penus

00:43:06 nubbins`: mircea_popescu, i'm much too hairy to feel like a penis

00:43:15 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo is that "i level cunts", "level one cunts" or what ?

00:43:27 nubbins`: one love, cunts

00:43:32 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I've always read it as I love cunts

00:43:48 mircea_popescu: oic

00:44:00 mircea_popescu: woulkdn't that have been 1luvcunts ?

00:44:09 jurov: lavacunts

00:44:15 nubbins`: ooh

00:44:33 mircea_popescu: jurov you ever been in bed with a girl ? her damned thing might as well be made of lava.

00:44:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 35 @ 0.0052886 = 0.1851 BTC [+]

00:44:41 nubbins`: ;;seen benkay

00:44:42 gribble: benkay was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 53 minutes and 13 seconds ago: <benkay> mpoe at all time high while btc kisses 1k again

00:44:50 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Including the vowel for love would have been too computing expensive. I decided a misreading of I level cunts was acceptable.

00:45:08 nubbins`: ;;later tell benkay no thermolith but we can do raised ink via overprinting

00:45:08 gribble: The operation succeeded.

00:45:11 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo 14llcuntsloveme

00:45:27 truffles: "her damned thing" hmmm

00:45:34 Apocalyptic: truffles, ready for a rematch ?

00:45:39 truffles: no wai

00:45:44 truffles: i topped out

00:45:52 BingoBoingo: lol mircea_popescu, but not the strippers

00:46:03 truffles: my day started a looong time ago

00:46:12 Apocalyptic: so did mine

00:46:29 truffles: i need more recovery obv

00:46:31 mircea_popescu: you still around cads ?

00:46:37 BingoBoingo: nubbins`: So I found all of the pieces, you up for a game?

00:46:47 truffles: tomorrow night after i take 5hrs to play nubbins

00:46:48 nubbins`: yeah, just let me get set up

00:46:58 nubbins`: gotta roll one

00:47:24 BingoBoingo: K

00:47:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 80 @ 0.0052886 = 0.4231 BTC [+]

00:47:56 BingoBoingo: truffles: How long do you think on of Carlsen's typical games takes?

00:48:15 truffles: im not on his level nor are u : D

00:48:27 BingoBoingo: No one is, and that's the point

00:49:01 Apocalyptic: BingoBoingo, hours

00:49:03 BingoBoingo: truffles: Neither of us could even comprehend his level of play if all we did were fucking speed games either

00:49:05 truffles: well i gave u the chance with non timed, u took forever, now thats done

00:49:07 nubbins`: it really is amazing how much nicer a coat of varnish makes plywood look

00:49:07 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

00:49:38 BingoBoingo: truffles: I thought on of our games took days plural because I passed out from drinking...

00:49:55 truffles: shoulda thought about that when u agreed to playing!

00:50:24 BingoBoingo: Well, Since the tournament started I beat you and lost to Namworld

00:50:35 BingoBoingo: Except flip that order.

00:50:36 truffles: u took foreeever though

00:50:54 nubbins`: whenever i see "u", i pronounce it in my head as "ooo"

00:50:58 BingoBoingo: truffles: Well, you took forever to fall out of yo mamma's cunt

00:51:06 truffles: ..

00:51:08 nubbins`: OOOOH BURN

00:51:20 Ademan: 'cause of chlamydia?

00:51:33 nubbins`: 'cause she sleeps upside-down

00:51:39 BingoBoingo: Ademan: I truffles case I imagine spiderwebs

00:51:48 truffles: here i thought u were just a slow old man pfff

00:52:04 Ademan: haha

00:52:05 nubbins`: we're all slow old men here

00:52:16 nubbins`: raise your hand if you're under 30

00:52:25 BingoBoingo: ;;hand

00:52:26 gribble: Error: "hand" is not a valid command.

00:52:35 truffles: well thats terrible

00:52:36 kakobrekla: ;;lasers

00:52:36 gribble: ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*

00:52:42 kakobrekla: sorry forgot to put down the gun

00:52:44 nubbins`: it is what it is

00:52:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.50966525 = 1.529 BTC [+] {3}

00:52:56 nubbins`: you young people are in such a rush all the tiume

00:53:06 Ademan: raise new Hand(this);

00:53:08 nubbins`: like you're not gonna be able to get all the shit done

00:53:29 kakobrekla: yeah nubbins` i gave up already

00:53:46 BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Well, I will say I am 2-4 years younger than asciilifeform

00:54:17 nubbins`: i thought stan was like 37.

00:54:27 BingoBoingo: nubbins`: He's like 30

00:54:32 nubbins`: o

00:54:39 asciilifeform: turned 30 <2 mo. ago

00:54:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 82 @ 0.0052886 = 0.4337 BTC [-]

00:54:51 nubbins`: well happy belated

00:55:01 asciilifeform: thx nubbins

00:55:09 BingoBoingo: 37 would be too far past the prime of his life to have started loper and hope he could finish

00:55:12 nubbins`: i'm celebrating 32 this time next week

00:55:18 BingoBoingo: At least without amphetamines

00:55:21 nubbins`: BingoBoingo, fallacy

00:55:23 nubbins`: oh, ok

00:55:34 asciilifeform: we're all in approx. the same age 'band', old enough to be in a hurry, young enough not to be impotent yet

00:55:47 nubbins`: bothers me when people say "oh, x is too old to do y"

00:55:50 nubbins`: bull fucking shit!

00:55:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.50999788 BTC [+]

00:55:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 300 @ 0.0052886 = 1.5866 BTC [-]

00:55:53 Ademan: haha

00:56:02 truffles: clearly too old to click fast

00:56:08 nubbins`: unless you want to be a gymnast

00:56:10 BingoBoingo: nubbins`: No, that's how math works. If you don't publish a brilliance by 30 you are too old

00:56:16 kakobrekla: nubbins` you are too young to say that!

00:56:41 nubbins`: BingoBoingo: call the coin

00:56:50 BingoBoingo: tails

00:56:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.50999788 BTC [+]

00:56:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10044 @ 0.00100065 = 10.0505 BTC [-] {2}

00:56:55 nubbins`: ;;flip

00:56:55 gribble: Error: "flip" is not a valid command.

00:56:55 nubbins`: ;;coin

00:56:55 gribble: heads

00:56:57 nubbins`: i always forget

00:57:01 nubbins`: 1. e4

00:57:10 BingoBoingo: d6

00:57:23 nubbins`: 2. c4

00:57:33 BingoBoingo: Nf6

00:57:33 Ademan: BingoBoingo: like "you never will" ? Surely there are tons of papers published by older folks

00:57:43 BingoBoingo: Ademan: Crap though

00:57:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13961 @ 0.00099918 = 13.9496 BTC [-]

00:58:03 nubbins`: 3. Bd3

00:58:21 BingoBoingo: g6

00:58:35 nubbins`: 4. Nf3

00:58:42 Ademan: you nerds are playing pretty quickly

00:58:52 BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Actually tonight I'm drinking vodka and ice cubes

00:58:56 nubbins`: what's a nerd?

00:59:04 nubbins`: kakobrekla: and i'm drinking pineapple kush

00:59:06 BingoBoingo: Bg7

00:59:09 Ademan: nubbins`: it's this little candy, they're delicious

00:59:23 kakobrekla: well you should have said earlier!

00:59:26 BingoBoingo: Ademan: It's the opening at this point most of us are following a book in out heads

00:59:44 truffles: thats faster than Boingo plays on the website, such b.s.

01:00:02 BingoBoingo: truffles: It's been 4 moves

01:00:05 kakobrekla: website lags

01:00:10 nubbins`: 5. 0-0

01:00:15 BingoBoingo: 0-0

01:00:21 nubbins`: kakobrekla: no sweat, i've got mad cotton now

01:00:35 nubbins`: BingoBoingo: heh, let's just tuck those aside

01:00:39 kakobrekla: ;;google mad cotton

01:00:40 gribble: Mason Vale Cotton - Mad Men Wiki: http://madmen.wikia.com/wiki/Mason_Vale_Cotton; Mad About Cotton | Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/madaboutcotton; the deep significance of a reference to the 1968 cotton bowl: http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2013/4/8/4196512/the-deep-significance-of-a-reference-to-the-1968-cotton-bowl

01:00:48 nubbins`: ;;ud mad cotton

01:00:49 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Cotton%20Pickin | Something people say when they get mad. Or it is a replacement for GD or Gosh Darn it.

01:00:49 ozbot: Urban Dictionary: Cotton Pickin

01:00:57 nubbins`: my mouth is quite dry

01:00:59 nubbins`: is what i mean

01:01:18 BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Well you know who to blame for contaminating "urban" dictionary

01:01:20 Ademan: it's reasonably common in the midwest as far as I know

01:01:45 nubbins`: 6. h3

01:01:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.50999789 BTC [+]

01:01:58 BingoBoingo: c5

01:02:16 KRS1: I brake for bait.

01:02:17 KRS1: .bait

01:02:41 KRS1: .bait

01:02:52 nubbins`: 7. b3

01:02:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.51 BTC [+]

01:03:10 BingoBoingo: Nc6

01:03:10 ozbot: http://25.media.tumblr.com/03718e22fb3ee9b9032096682e47b6dd/tumblr_ml7s1veCqh1s30rjro1_1280.jpg

01:03:46 nubbins`: 8. Nc3

01:04:46 mircea_popescu: nanotube should add chess to gribble, have it beat the shit out of all of you

01:04:47 BingoBoingo: Nb4

01:05:15 KRS1: Heh gribble a thug

01:05:16 Apocalyptic: mircea, do you play chess ?

01:05:22 nubbins`: would ruin every channel in which it was enabled

01:05:27 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, provided he uses fruit or whatever that fish is as the engine

01:05:37 KRS1: dayum thats some bait

01:05:47 mircea_popescu: notrly.

01:05:53 Apocalyptic: BingoBoingo, if he implements Houdini we're done

01:06:14 BingoBoingo: Apocalyptic: Nevar hurd of that one

01:06:29 Apocalyptic: it's what people like Carlsen use to analyse games

01:06:43 Apocalyptic: it's THE engine

01:06:49 BingoBoingo: Apocalyptic: I thought they used Rybka.

01:07:07 Apocalyptic: that's what they used to use

01:07:41 Apocalyptic: Houdini will crush Rybka in a eyelash

01:07:45 nubbins`: 9. Qc2

01:07:58 BingoBoingo: Apocalyptic: When did Houdini become a thing. Seems poor to name a chess engine after a guy who couldn't escape handcuffs.

01:08:13 BingoBoingo: NxQ

01:08:27 Apocalyptic: it's been for 1 or 2 years afaik

01:08:46 nubbins`: (!)

01:09:02 Apocalyptic: Houdini's tactical play is impressive for a bit

01:09:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 609 @ 0.0052886 = 3.2208 BTC [-]

01:09:05 Apocalyptic: *bot

01:09:15 nubbins`: 10. Bxc2

01:09:33 BingoBoingo: Maybe I'll set up Rybka in wine later. And find out what Houdini is. All I know is Rybka got disqualified from computer chess championships for GPL violations

01:10:04 BingoBoingo: Nd7

01:10:53 nubbins`: 11. Ng5

01:10:58 BingoBoingo: But I guess I gotta read moar

01:11:31 kakobrekla: btw Ademan , you are famous now http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=43

01:11:50 nubbins`: nod

01:11:52 truffles: how do u throw ur queen away like that dayum

01:13:06 BingoBoingo: diametric might have offered the best bashed quote

01:13:19 truffles: basically said here take it

01:13:32 BingoBoingo: truffles: Maybe he has a plan?

01:13:34 kakobrekla: which one is taht BingoBoingo

01:13:49 truffles: to give up the game?

01:13:51 BingoBoingo: "diametric: i wonder if I can make money body scanning people and printing them into onto cocks that I can cast with food safe silicone and make edible dickheads."

01:13:57 nubbins`: no, total mistake on my part

01:13:58 kakobrekla: a, hehe.

01:14:05 Apocalyptic: truffles, sometimes tactical scheme

01:14:06 nubbins`: i wasn't paying attention D;

01:14:11 BingoBoingo: That's what you say nao nubbins`

01:14:12 truffles: that was not one

01:14:13 Apocalyptic: involve a queen sacrifice

01:14:42 Apocalyptic: BingoBoingo, up for a game after you finish this one ?

01:14:51 BingoBoingo: Apocalyptic: Maybe?

01:14:58 BingoBoingo: I'll see how drunk I am

01:15:42 BingoBoingo: Gotta finish this methol before the next move though

01:16:09 asciilifeform: unrelated: http://www.cru-inc.com/products/wiebetech/hotplug_field_kit/

01:16:20 asciilifeform: sell an ordinary 'ups' for $XXXXX by renaming it

01:16:28 asciilifeform: amAzing business model...

01:17:00 asciilifeform: take-home lesson: tie your self-destruct switch to a gyro.

01:18:18 Duffer1: http://www.cru-inc.com/products/wiebetech/mouse_jiggler/

01:18:34 nubbins`: WiebeTech Mouse Jiggler™

01:18:41 pankkake: there's a trick to avoid powering it off when you remove the plug?

01:18:49 nubbins`:

01:18:57 ozbot: Mouse Jiggler | CRU

01:19:03 pankkake: Mouse Jiggler sounds dirty

01:19:04 truffles: i thought id be asleep by now, if ure around in a hr Apocalyptic gameon!

01:19:05 kakobrekla: i have my own ups to make things easier for them

01:19:06 BingoBoingo: h6

01:19:16 Apocalyptic: truffles, i most likely will

01:19:23 truffles: k

01:19:24 nubbins`: kakobrekla, lel

01:19:42 nubbins`: that gets funnier the more i think about it

01:21:48 Duffer1: http://www.extremetech.com/computing/175283-sandisk-announces-ulltra-dimms-terabytes-of-low-latency-flash-storage-directly-off-the-ram-channel

01:21:53 nubbins`: 12. a3

01:21:58 ozbot: SanDisk announces ULLtra DIMMS: Terabytes of low-latency flash storage directly off the RAM channel

01:22:41 BingoBoingo: hxNg5

01:23:11 asciilifeform: betcha the idiot x86 os will still treat it as a separate disk abstraction.

01:23:14 truffles: he is too drunk to continue

01:23:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 44 @ 0.00480095 = 0.2112 BTC [-] {2}

01:23:21 asciilifeform: because how else.

01:23:41 nubbins`: i think you can actually just say xg5

01:23:57 BingoBoingo: nubbins`: I prefer offering more detail

01:24:00 nubbins`: nod

01:24:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 83 @ 0.00480001 = 0.3984 BTC [-] {2}

01:24:24 BingoBoingo: prevents some artifacts of truffles games where he isn't clear on where pieces are

01:24:28 nubbins`: 13. b4

01:24:36 truffles: :D

01:24:55 BingoBoingo: BxNc3

01:26:27 nubbins`: 14. dxc3

01:26:59 BingoBoingo: g4

01:27:43 nubbins`: 15. hxg4

01:28:41 BingoBoingo: b6

01:29:54 nubbins`: 16. Re1

01:30:14 BingoBoingo: e5

01:31:02 nubbins`: 17. Bh6

01:32:06 BingoBoingo: Re8

01:32:32 nubbins`: 18. Rd1

01:32:55 BingoBoingo: Nf6

01:33:21 nubbins`: 19. Ba4

01:34:19 BingoBoingo: Bxg4

01:34:37 nubbins`: ha ha!

01:34:55 nubbins`: nice

01:35:30 BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Well I fixed your doubled pawns problem, so... Maybe a thank you is in order?

01:35:40 nubbins`: tyvm ;)

01:36:24 nubbins`: 20. Bc6

01:37:19 BingoBoingo: Bxd1

01:38:49 truffles: which rook is on d1

01:38:50 nubbins`: 21. f4

01:39:01 nubbins`: your bishop is on d1

01:39:20 nubbins`: my queen-side rook was there

01:39:43 BingoBoingo: Bg4

01:40:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.53499999 = 2.675 BTC [+] {2}

01:41:15 diametric: oh cool tigerdirect takes bitcoin now

01:41:53 nubbins`: 22. Bg5

01:43:04 BingoBoingo: exf4

01:44:16 nubbins`: 23. Bxf4

01:45:36 BingoBoingo: Nxe4

01:47:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12580 @ 0.00100316 = 12.6198 BTC [+] {2}

01:47:48 nubbins`: 24. Bxe4

01:48:10 BingoBoingo: Qh4

01:49:29 nubbins`: 25. Re2

01:49:42 copumpkin: holy shit, MPOE is above 0.001

01:50:11 BingoBoingo: BxR

01:50:37 truffles: sacrifice right there

01:51:31 nubbins`: ugh

01:51:33 nubbins`: 26. g3

01:51:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 10 @ 0.05499998 = 0.55 BTC [+] {3}

01:51:49 BingoBoingo: Qh3

01:52:44 BingoBoingo: nubbins`: You did have the chance to take a rook for a bishop, but you decided to fork my rooks and lose a tempo without material gain

01:53:26 nubbins`: 27. Bxd6

01:53:30 nubbins`: yeah, hard times now

01:53:36 truffles: i think when he moved queen into knight crosshairs it was downhill

01:53:48 BingoBoingo: Rxe4

01:54:18 dub: copumpkin: scam

01:54:29 copumpkin: dub: oh yeah?

01:54:54 dub: yeah mpoe scamming over 0.001

01:55:22 copumpkin: can we scam it up to 1?

01:55:40 nubbins`: 28. bxc5

01:55:42 Apocalyptic: would be a nice scam

01:56:15 truffles: tripple pawn combo attack!

01:56:20 BingoBoingo: Qxg3

01:56:29 nubbins`: heh

01:56:43 BingoBoingo: fuck the pawns

01:56:58 BingoBoingo: They are there jsut to take up space

01:57:11 nubbins`: 29. Kh1, gg

01:57:25 BingoBoingo: Rh4++ gg

01:57:38 truffles: wow u couldve taken queen with bishop on e6!

01:57:44 nubbins`: so many mistakes

01:57:49 nubbins`: :0

01:57:54 nubbins`: including that one

01:57:54 nubbins`: heh

01:58:08 truffles: how lucid are u right now though

01:58:17 nubbins`: i have complete awareness

01:58:20 BingoBoingo: truffles: Queen wouldn't have went to where it could have been taken by the bishop on e6

01:58:22 Apocalyptic: truffles, game ?

01:58:43 truffles: Apocalyptic sure

01:58:45 nubbins`: bishop was on d6

01:58:56 Apocalyptic: need to warn up before BingoBoingo

01:58:58 BingoBoingo: Well, that too

01:59:15 truffles: gotta sign in 1sec

01:59:16 nubbins`: would have given me a few more breaths, but it was a losing battle

01:59:18 BingoBoingo: I need to go to the garage and smoke me some tobbacy

01:59:48 BingoBoingo: nubbins` is always a good game, fights hard and honestly

02:00:17 truffles: u both played like u were high :D

02:00:30 BingoBoingo: The free queen wasn't where the loss happened though, the lost tempo to fork the rooks was

02:00:52 BingoBoingo: truffles: I though we discussed this. He's high and I'm drunk.

02:02:12 assbot: Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1566732/plain/)

02:02:12 kakobrekla: !b 1

02:02:31 BingoBoingo: lol kakobrekla

02:02:51 kakobrekla: :p

02:04:50 Apocalyptic: wow truffles, many blunders

02:04:51 truffles: im so not into this

02:04:53 BingoBoingo: We might need two new IRC bots. We get Rybka and rig it up to a bot named Hal. We get fucking Sargon from the 80's and rig it up to a bot we name Dave

02:05:13 truffles: we shall carry on still

02:05:32 BingoBoingo: There would only be about a 1300 point difference between the bots in Elo rating.

02:05:51 nubbins`: i demand a rematch

02:06:08 BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Lemme finish this cig and set up the board again

02:06:18 nubbins`: very well!

02:06:46 BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Heads or tails?

02:07:07 nubbins`: it's always tails, so tails

02:07:11 BingoBoingo: ;;tails

02:07:11 gribble: Error: "tails" is not a valid command.

02:07:17 BingoBoingo: ;;coin

02:07:17 gribble: heads

02:07:17 nubbins`: heh

02:07:22 nubbins`: D:

02:07:31 BingoBoingo: I'll take negro again

02:07:55 BingoBoingo: Work hard in my field, bring the cotton out to be sold

02:07:58 nubbins`: 1. e4, take your time, i'm going to gather a snack

02:08:05 kakobrekla: btw there are some bots that assist with this shit over irc

02:08:05 BingoBoingo: d6

02:08:13 kakobrekla: if someone wants to run one ill allow it here

02:08:44 BingoBoingo: Eh, relying on my well pickled liver is more fun though

02:08:57 kakobrekla: jus sayin

02:09:55 BingoBoingo: Making Dave might be a fun project though. Dunno how I'm going to get Apple II machine code to talk to a modern IRC bot.

02:11:02 BingoBoingo: I only have a 800 some elo rating in over the board play so I don't think there would be a demand for Hal yet in this chan

02:12:55 truffles: gg

02:12:57 truffles: puke

02:13:10 Apocalyptic: wasn't your best game truffles

02:14:03 truffles: clearly i needed another hr :D

02:14:25 Apocalyptic: BingoBoingo, you're game ?

02:14:27 nubbins`: 2. c4

02:15:06 truffles: he's snail pacing nubbins

02:15:18 nubbins`: i actually didn't realize he had moved

02:15:19 BingoBoingo: Nf6

02:15:46 truffles: refering to Boingo playing vs u

02:15:58 nubbins`: 3. d3

02:16:20 BingoBoingo: Bg4

02:16:57 Ademan: you guys still going?

02:17:07 BingoBoingo: Ademan: Strted a new game

02:17:16 nubbins`: 4. f3

02:17:19 nubbins`: Ademan: move 4

02:17:47 nubbins`: first game was almost exactly an hour

02:17:52 BingoBoingo: Be6

02:18:12 BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Like I tell truffles G/30 is like the perfect time control

02:18:24 truffles: i blame this rich ppl reality show, its killing the brain cells heh

02:18:50 BingoBoingo: truffles: Which show? Don't be dissing my Appalacian Outlaws...

02:19:01 nubbins`: 5. b3

02:19:11 BingoBoingo: g6

02:19:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 597 @ 0.003 = 1.791 BTC [+]

02:19:14 truffles: "Rich kids beverly hills"

02:19:26 truffles: i was like u know what let me just check it out, see how it goes

02:19:57 truffles: 21 mins in, im wondering why they seem to lead boring lives

02:20:08 BingoBoingo: Ginseng is like the closest natural thing in the world to Bitcoin

02:20:15 nubbins`: 6. Nc3

02:20:28 BingoBoingo: Bg7

02:20:36 Ademan: wat

02:20:42 nubbins`: i went to a ginseng museum once

02:20:52 nubbins`: i'll never unsee some of those ginseng roots

02:21:15 BingoBoingo: Ademan: Well it is an endangered species, but it is still tradeable. Hillbillies kill each other over the shit.

02:21:34 BingoBoingo: Takes 5-10 years minimum to ggrow to a marketable size.

02:21:56 nubbins`: 7. h3

02:22:14 BingoBoingo: Nxe4

02:23:03 truffles: being poor and no fun is one thing but rich n no funhmmm

02:23:20 nubbins`: 8. fxe4

02:23:32 BingoBoingo: BxNc3

02:23:40 BingoBoingo: +

02:24:05 BingoBoingo: truffles: Well if you aren't having fun maybe fuck moar?

02:24:17 nubbins`: 9. Bd2

02:24:24 truffles: hows that fun ..

02:24:32 BingoBoingo: BxR

02:25:06 BingoBoingo: I dunno how to explain this truffles but have you ever fucked before. That activity is awfully fun

02:25:16 Apocalyptic: haha BingoBoingo

02:25:18 nubbins`: 10. Qxa1

02:25:18 truffles: for uh 2 mins

02:25:45 nubbins`: heh

02:25:58 BingoBoingo: 0-0

02:26:15 BingoBoingo: truffles: How old are you?

02:26:25 BingoBoingo: Are you 12 or 70

02:27:05 nubbins`: 11. Qd4

02:27:06 truffles: one can enjoy the moment yet not want to do that 24-7

02:27:16 truffles: 37

02:27:19 BingoBoingo: c5

02:27:43 kakobrekla: he ment 70

02:27:52 BingoBoingo: truffles: Maybe try caverject?

02:28:04 nubbins`: 12. Qf2

02:28:11 truffles: haha

02:28:24 BingoBoingo: Nc6

02:29:00 truffles: viagra?

02:29:53 BingoBoingo: truffles: Try quite a bit older than viagra. Viagra was a revolution because... well what does *ject imply...

02:32:55 kakobrekla: truffles re fun: http://www.favething.com/uploads/images/main-fave-images/i_had_fun_once_it_was_awful-1.jpg

02:33:26 truffles: i dont even like those things

02:33:42 truffles: thank goodness i dont know ppl that peerpressure me to go on it

02:33:44 kakobrekla: you sound like you do

02:34:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11341 @ 0.0010037 = 11.383 BTC [+] {2}

02:35:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9659 @ 0.00100509 = 9.7082 BTC [+] {2}

02:35:37 BingoBoingo: truffles: I've heard rumors that coinrx.com is reliable if you need a little help in that area...

02:35:41 BingoBoingo: .bait

02:36:02 truffles: i dont need any help for any areas ;-)

02:36:30 nubbins`: 13. h4

02:36:38 ozbot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mem7brkYGo1r600xqo1_500.jpg

02:36:50 KRS1: dayuuum

02:36:56 BingoBoingo: Nd4

02:37:12 KRS1: is she a sistah cant tell

02:37:23 truffles: what is that

02:37:33 BingoBoingo: KRS1: Definitely a sista

02:37:42 KRS1: i'd go black fo dat

02:37:50 nubbins`: 14. Bh6

02:37:51 KRS1: .bait

02:38:23 truffles: i feel like i can see makeup on the boobs

02:38:31 BingoBoingo: Qa5+

02:38:40 ozbot: http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdow9eAnP81qdvmexo1_1280.jpg

02:39:28 Duffer1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5FDvzj8YX4&feature=youtu.be

02:39:40 ozbot: Introducing Ethereum - YouTube

02:39:41 Duffer1: ^ Stephen Hawkings voice performer

02:39:51 truffles: whatever this one is wearing is so distracting

02:39:54 nubbins`: 15. Qd2

02:41:07 truffles: this guys nervous

02:41:19 truffles: shifty eyes too..

02:41:28 BingoBoingo: Nc2+

02:42:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 91 @ 0.0048 = 0.4368 BTC [-] {2}

02:43:18 truffles: why doesnt he get to the point :(

02:44:08 nubbins`: 16. Kd1

02:45:20 BingoBoingo: Qxa2

02:45:45 Duffer1: "the ethereum team... senior software developers, people who work for Goldmann Sachs, very old/young entrepreneurs..."

02:45:45 truffles: so bitcoin on steroids?

02:46:26 BingoBoingo: truffles: Well corticosteriods, you know the kind that makes bones brittle and atrophy muscles to end careers

02:46:37 truffles: lol

02:47:44 BingoBoingo: Sure they get a player through one more game, but look at Carlos Beltran at the end of the season

02:48:32 truffles: sounds like that "idea" deadweasel proposed

02:48:39 truffles: or some element

02:49:38 nubbins`: 17. Qxc2

02:49:39 Apocalyptic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GH68bSJXGE8

02:49:48 BingoBoingo: Anyways, there is a reason that ADHD is more a more common diagnosis among baseball players than it is among any other profession and that is amphetimines are the ultimate PED in Baseball

02:49:53 Apocalyptic: this is murica: interrupting a congressman for bieber

02:50:12 ozbot: MSNBC interrupts Congresswoman for report on Justin Bieber - YouTube

02:50:14 BingoBoingo: Bg4+

02:50:54 nubbins`: 18. Ne2

02:51:44 BingoBoingo: Qa1+

02:52:23 nubbins`: 19. Qc1

02:52:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.51 = 1.02 BTC [-]

02:53:34 BingoBoingo: Qe5 smoke break

02:53:54 benkay: http://campbitcoin.hivewallet.com/

02:54:01 nubbins`: nod

02:54:27 ozbot: Camp Bitcoin: The Burning Man camp for the Bitcoin and crypto-currency industry

02:56:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 141 @ 0.00408598 = 0.5761 BTC [+] {2}

02:59:27 BingoBoingo: ;;ident BingoBoingo

02:59:27 gribble: Nick 'BingoBoingo', with hostmask 'BingoBoingo!~BingoBoin@unaffiliated/bingoboingo', is identified as user 'BingoBoingo', with GPG key id 309BB8D7F3251143, key fingerprint ADD7A9A28F85E5EF1F51904F309BB8D7F3251143, and bitcoin address None

02:59:44 altkoin: is ehtereum an alt coin?

02:59:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30608 @ 0.00100008 = 30.6104 BTC [-]

03:00:00 truffles: its 10,000 altcoins!

03:00:09 truffles: i forget

03:00:12 nubbins`: 20. Qc3

03:00:14 Duffer1: some kind of protocol layer

03:00:20 BingoBoingo: Oh, looky Blues beat the Rangers and an incoming transaction suggests I will not become a scamzor at the end of this tournament

03:01:30 BingoBoingo: https://blockchain.info/address/1LvCuntsJyFFQsLuJhBXBPokbQa7SAyMr4

03:02:56 BingoBoingo: QxQ

03:03:36 ozbot: Bitcoin Address 1LvCuntsJyFFQsLuJhBXBPokbQa7SAyMr4

03:04:16 nubbins`: kinda forgot about your bishop

03:04:25 BingoBoingo: It happens

03:04:52 kakobrekla: http:/i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/8013372160/hC2C13382/

03:04:54 BingoBoingo: nubbins`: I future games you willingness to hang your Queen might be a strength though

03:06:52 nubbins`: 21. Bd2

03:08:34 BingoBoingo: Qxb3+

03:09:21 nubbins`: 22. Qe1

03:10:15 nubbins`: i mean

03:10:16 nubbins`: sorry

03:10:18 nubbins`: 22. Ke1

03:11:26 BingoBoingo: Qxd3

03:13:11 dub: QxQ should read QQ

03:13:32 BingoBoingo: dub: It totally shouldn't

03:15:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.51 = 2.55 BTC [-]

03:16:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23839 @ 0.00099918 = 23.8195 BTC [-]

03:16:53 nubbins`: 23. g3

03:17:07 nubbins`: QxQ makes you QQ

03:17:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.51 BTC [-]

03:18:01 BingoBoingo: Bf3

03:24:21 nubbins`: 24. Rh2

03:25:38 BingoBoingo: Qxe4

03:26:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 8 @ 0.02819998 = 0.2256 BTC [+] {2}

03:27:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 9 @ 0.02826665 = 0.2544 BTC [+] {4}

03:28:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 14 @ 0.02872595 = 0.4022 BTC [+] {2}

03:29:02 BingoBoingo: Lol at http://theblogchain.com

03:29:47 BingoBoingo: More lol http://theblogchain.com/market-reviews/

03:30:22 nubbins`: 25. Bg5

03:31:04 BingoBoingo: Qxc4

03:32:52 nubbins`: 26. Bxe7

03:33:43 BingoBoingo: Qe6

03:34:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 108 @ 0.003 = 0.324 BTC [+]

03:34:53 nubbins`: 27. Rf2

03:35:13 BingoBoingo: Qxe7

03:35:34 nubbins`: 28. Rxf3

03:35:53 BingoBoingo: Qe4

03:36:23 nubbins`: 29. Rf6

03:37:18 BingoBoingo: Qb1+

03:37:44 nubbins`: 30. Kf2

03:39:23 BingoBoingo: Kg7

03:40:07 nubbins`: 31. Rxd6

03:40:26 BingoBoingo: Qf5+

03:40:50 nubbins`: 32. Nf4

03:42:02 BingoBoingo: c4

03:42:30 BingoBoingo: Smoke break

03:44:08 nubbins`: 33. Bxc4

03:44:58 KRS1: A moment of silence for bait.

03:44:59 KRS1: .bait

03:45:01 ozbot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/42ba450762761c79fd24ad0c5e06ddd2/tumblr_mujxhdMA4X1r62m2no1_1280.jpg

03:45:14 KRS1: .bait

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03:45:22 KRS1: .bait

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03:45:34 KRS1: .bait

03:45:35 ozbot: http://31.media.tumblr.com/d4d76d2db131ec8c1f2be5e116b10524/tumblr_mvxb0btr5h1qlbnsco1_250.gif

03:45:47 KRS1: .bait

03:45:48 ozbot: http://25.media.tumblr.com/d4b4cf3be96b1d29406a8028e2c884cb/tumblr_mu6cikSCAd1revbiho1_1280.jpg

03:48:50 BingoBoingo: Qc5+ lol

03:53:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [MS] 50 @ 0.005 = 0.25 BTC

03:54:07 BingoBoingo: Wait, Microsoft is on Havelock nao?

03:54:22 Duffer1: mintspare

03:54:38 BingoBoingo: Duffer1: The junk shop?

03:54:43 the20year1: yep

03:54:45 Duffer1: yea

03:54:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7600 @ 0.00099673 = 7.5751 BTC [-]

03:55:12 benkay: pawnshop next

03:55:29 the20year1: After talkign to havelock today it looks like we may be live there mid next week

03:55:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23700 @ 0.00099474 = 23.5753 BTC [-] {4}

03:56:44 nubbins`: 34. Kf3

03:56:44 BingoBoingo: the20year: Sounds like famous last words. Buying out the objecting shareholders and giving MPEX one more instrument for shorting BTC/Fiat may have been more lucrative.

03:57:04 BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Isn't you Knight there?

03:57:11 the20year1: what do you mean boingo?

03:57:22 nubbins`: knight is on f4

03:57:24 BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Oh, nvm

03:57:35 nubbins`: #32

03:57:42 the20year1: buying out objecting RS shareholders so I could get cleared to list on mpex?

03:57:58 BingoBoingo: QxR

03:58:05 BingoBoingo: the20year: Maybe?

03:58:13 the20year1: just trying to understand what you were saying.

03:58:21 BingoBoingo: the20year: You have been following this saga more closely than I have.

03:58:35 nubbins`: 35. h5

03:58:39 the20year1: I'd love to list on mpex, but at $21k+ to do it, i can't justify at this point yet

03:58:53 BingoBoingo: Qc6+

03:59:03 benkay: why didn't you ask for a broker?

03:59:26 BingoBoingo: the20year: Well, maybe if you picked a locale other than the bubbling shitpit otherwise refered to as Ohio to work out of.

03:59:33 nubbins`: 36. Bd5

03:59:40 the20year1: Ohio is a fantastic place to work out of

03:59:55 Duffer1: Ukyo to Kslaughter: "How is it you have an account with 38btc that is not ActM that you are linking into this?

03:59:57 Duffer1: How many more accounts exactly did you create for trading on BitFunder than the handful I know of?

03:59:58 Duffer1: I suppose I will have to do a more in depth search on all of you ip addresses, linked accounts and addresses."

04:00:03 BingoBoingo: Qc3+

04:00:20 the20year1: the issue is if I can raise 2000btc on HL, which is our goal, whether i absolutely need mpex too

04:00:30 nubbins`: 37. Kg4

04:00:41 BingoBoingo: the20year: If you are just looking for cheapness of property why not Forgotonia?

04:00:55 benkay: no the real question is whether your operation can survive the next faux-change implosion.

04:00:56 the20year1: i'm looking for returns and price stability over the past 20 years

04:00:59 the20year1: I have that

04:01:04 BingoBoingo: gxh5

04:01:21 BingoBoingo: the20year: You also have flammable rivers...

04:01:38 nubbins`: 38. Nxh5+

04:01:43 the20year1: That was 40+ years ago

04:02:03 BingoBoingo: Kg6

04:02:15 BingoBoingo: the20year: Some things stay on your permanent record...

04:02:19 the20year1: I could buy property in orlando, indy, philly, atlanta that would meet my criteria, but it would require my family to relocate, and the yields aren't any better

04:02:40 Duffer1: come to oregon :)

04:02:47 the20year1: So , if I could build a 3-5m portfolio here, with enough contacts to leverage then go somewhere else, in my opinion it would be better

04:02:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 146 @ 0.003 = 0.438 BTC [+]

04:02:59 the20year1: I can't cashflow in Oregon, only develop properties and that requires more capital than I have access to

04:03:17 the20year1: *Can't cashflow in oregon with rentals

04:03:32 BingoBoingo: the20year: I know a couple people buying neighborhoods in North StL and converting it to farmland. As long as you avoid the old radioactive Mallinkrodt sites it sounds lucrative

04:03:57 the20year1: that can be done, but if i'm gonna buy land i'm gonna buy timber

04:05:06 BingoBoingo: Can't fault you for that preference

04:05:17 nubbins`: 39. Bxb7

04:05:45 the20year1: Timber is a much easier game, very few are buying small parcel timberlands in my area, you can do quite well doing botique woods

04:06:16 BingoBoingo: Qc8+

04:06:19 the20year1: The best way I've figured to do it would be to buy specialized parcels with rare-ish hardwoods (Old growth oak, maple, ect) , hiring Amish to bandsaw it, make into floors, then truck it to oregon, california and washington to sell

04:06:20 benkay: here's an odd hustle to run: acorn flour

04:06:37 Duffer1: much timber in oregon

04:06:39 Duffer1: so wow

04:06:44 the20year1: that's a fantastic hussle, there's a guy locally doing oragnic acorn fed hogs and exporting to europe for $100/kg

04:06:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.0498 = 0.1992 BTC [-]

04:07:04 BingoBoingo: On an old stand of oak, the best bet might be to plant ginseng and sell it to China in five years.

04:07:05 Ukyo: Duffer1: reading my post i see

04:07:17 the20year1: that may work too

04:07:18 Duffer1: oh hey man, ya

04:07:23 Ukyo: thoughts?

04:07:28 the20year1: but if I try I can find old growth timber for ~$1000/ac

04:07:32 Ukyo: I decided to send ken a pm with a potential solution

04:07:36 BingoBoingo: ;;rate Ukyo -1 Buttfunder collapse

04:07:36 gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.

04:07:38 the20year1: one good tree on that acre will more than pay for 5 additional acres

04:07:47 Duffer1: got sidetracked, i haven't finished it yet, i haven't been keeping up with all the drama though

04:07:49 the20year1: I didn't realize you were here too Ukyo

04:07:52 Ukyo: BingoBoingo: doesnt matter, everoyne already has me at -100

04:08:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 6 @ 0.02889529 = 0.1734 BTC [+]

04:08:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.0497 = 0.2982 BTC [-]

04:08:04 Ukyo: the20year: I have been here for years :)

04:08:13 the20year1: i guess i just never see you talk

04:08:22 Ukyo: dont have time to talk anwhere nowdays

04:08:25 Ukyo: lots to do

04:08:36 the20year1: hope it's going well

04:08:44 nubbins`: 40. Bxc8

04:08:44 Ukyo: this has been a very exciting week

04:08:54 the20year1: good toh ear

04:08:54 Duffer1: can you talk about the circumstances of the the closure yet ukyo?

04:09:00 BingoBoingo: Raxc8

04:09:05 Ukyo: Duffer1: I wish

04:09:09 Ukyo: even btct has not discussed theirs

04:09:23 Ukyo: and they closed months before

04:09:41 BingoBoingo: Well BTCTC closure basically amounts to Labcoin it seems

04:09:45 nubbins`: 41. Kh4

04:09:47 Duffer1: well they announced shutdown 3 days after posting a warning on the labcoin security page...

04:10:07 Namworld: But BTC doesn't really need to since they paid out everyone. Could have been just because they were tired of doing it and it would be fine.

04:10:15 BingoBoingo: Rc4+

04:10:47 nubbins`: 42. Nf4

04:11:15 BingoBoingo: RxN

04:11:44 nubbins`: 43. gxf4

04:12:10 BingoBoingo: Kf5

04:12:49 nubbins`: 44. Kg3

04:13:27 BingoBoingo: Oh, we are going to end it this way... Rg8

04:14:08 nubbins`: haha. hopeless, i know

04:14:08 nubbins`: gg

04:14:13 BingoBoingo: gg

04:14:50 BingoBoingo: nubbins`: You are never anything if not sporting. I hope you whoop the shit out of truffles and Namworld

04:16:10 kakobrekla: http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=45

04:16:11 ozbot: #bitcoin-assets bash

04:16:13 kakobrekla: is a good day for bash

04:16:43 Ukyo: BingoBoingo: I am fairly certin (90%) btct did not close because of labcoin :)

04:18:28 BingoBoingo: Ukyo: And I'm pretty sure Goat has shilled a venture that hasn't completely collapsed yet.

04:18:59 Duffer1: ouch lol

04:19:10 kakobrekla: goat did a lot of things.

04:19:57 BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Is he still defending Garr and Cognitive or did he pump his way to a gain on that already

04:20:18 altkoin: is goat the guy who promoted the pirate40 scam to everyone?

04:20:54 kakobrekla: >In this case I'm more shocked at all the buyers of the stack rather than Garr. However I do hope Garr lists it soon. This is information we need.

04:20:59 Duffer1: i believe he ran a passthrough of the pirate mess

04:21:12 Duffer1: but don't quote me on that, it was before my time

04:21:12 kakobrekla: he is shocked.

04:21:30 altkoin: why did btctc close?

04:21:42 kakobrekla: btctctctc? too much disco.

04:21:54 BingoBoingo: altkoin: Goat is a "momentum trader" he negs stuff, buys it, and then promotes it until he can sell for a profit.

04:22:07 altkoin: lol

04:22:21 kakobrekla: yeah something like that

04:22:51 BingoBoingo: Apparently Goat's reputation in straight up trades is impecable, but he has no qualms about pumping shit to make a buck.

04:23:14 altkoin: yea so he doesnt rip you off directly, just uses more sophisticated methods

04:23:23 BingoBoingo: altkoin: Kind of.

04:23:37 kakobrekla: like goldman sacks

04:23:44 altkoin: yea

04:23:50 BingoBoingo: If Goat is offering a straight up trade of X for Y he's probably good for his word.

04:24:09 altkoin: that makes someone good for their word?

04:24:13 BingoBoingo: If he says Z venture seems to have a future though, get out the astroglide.

04:24:14 altkoin: right.

04:24:54 altkoin: goat makes a "trade" as long as hes gaining, any time hed have to take a loss hell just reneg any agreement like all the other scumbags do

04:25:43 BingoBoingo: altkoin: It is the situation where he doesn't want to wear the mud. I seems like be honors straight up trades. He shills the hell out of any scam he is holding the bucket on though.

04:26:22 BingoBoingo: It isn't a classic scam so much as scamming by proxy.

04:27:24 BingoBoingo: Huh, Handle of Vodka, Why do you have so little magic juice left in you?

04:28:47 KRS1: wow so many people saying bitcoin is dead now and doge is successor

04:29:04 KRS1: my god its everywhere

04:29:06 altkoin: lol doge

04:29:15 BingoBoingo: KRS1: Doge can't kill BTC. Might mortally wound LTC though.

04:29:28 KRS1: yes i think we already see some wounding

04:29:43 KRS1: im shorting litecoin like a midget yo

04:29:49 altkoin: krs1 um bitcoin is like 92% of total crypto market cap that ratio has been pretty steady for over a year now

04:29:54 BingoBoingo: Maybe meme up a non-merged mined SHA-256 coin and you can injure BTC

04:30:01 altkoin: any gains that doge makes is at the expense of anotehr alt coin

04:30:05 KRS1: altkoin i know, im just amazed at the ignorance

04:30:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.546 = 3.822 BTC [+]

04:30:23 altkoin: $1k moves doge like 20%

04:30:36 BingoBoingo: altkoin: I don't want to offer any spoilers, but I reccommend you check your numbers.

04:30:43 altkoin: bingobingo: thats impossible.

04:31:01 altkoin: it doesnt matter if a meme sha256 coin comes out

04:31:09 kakobrekla: that 92% doesnt hold true anymore

04:31:14 BingoBoingo: altkoin: You lack creativity.

04:31:19 kakobrekla: and its not comming back either.

04:31:22 altkoin: bingoboingo: what numbers? most of doge coin trading is classic painting the tape.

04:31:58 altkoin: kakobrekla: um yes it does. btc is 92% of mineable coins. http://coinmarketcap.com/

04:32:09 BingoBoingo: altkoin: Sometimes, when you present an error, to get a correct answer you either have to pay or wait for a lower bidder.

04:32:11 altkoin: that ratio has been the same for a year

04:32:50 altkoin: bingobooingo: lol doge coin can only be traded in and out of btc. the "volumes" is large holders trading with themselves. classic painting the tape

04:33:02 the20year1: but doge is fun

04:33:13 BingoBoingo: altkoin: Sure Doge is that, but most of LTC is too.

04:33:15 the20year1: bitcoin isn't nearly as fun, and everyone loves doges

04:33:22 altkoin: agreed bingoboingo

04:33:29 kakobrekla: ;;calc (100/12755002175)*9918068776

04:33:29 gribble: 77.7582680106

04:33:32 nubbins`: caninus physical dogecoins

04:33:32 the20year1: And BTC is tied to fiat, so...

04:33:35 kakobrekla: so your 92% is actually 77%

04:33:42 BingoBoingo: I'm wondering about you 92% altkoin and know there is better sourcing for numbers

04:33:49 altkoin: kakobrekla your counting unminable coins like ripple

04:33:53 altkoin: which have bullshit market caps

04:34:03 kakobrekla: cause you say so

04:34:20 altkoin: right because ripple has a 2bil market cap with 90% of them held by 5 people

04:34:26 altkoin: shut the fuck up.

04:34:34 kakobrekla: lol

04:34:35 BingoBoingo: The right way to compare market caps of cryptocoins is comparing difficulties.

04:34:48 nubbins`: ^

04:34:57 nubbins`: miner cap

04:35:14 kakobrekla: shut the fuck up is very strong argument

04:35:19 kakobrekla: ill take it.

04:35:21 BingoBoingo: Because if scrypt coins were worth that much motherfuckers would be soldering some GDDR5 on some fucking FPGAs

04:35:34 KRS1: lol i cant understand your reasoning and idk wtf i'm saying so stfu

04:35:37 altkoin: ;;calc (100/10800665755)*9918068776

04:35:37 gribble: 91.8283094855

04:35:50 kakobrekla: i dont think you even need gddr5

04:35:57 altkoin: claiming bitcoin will be debased via alt coins is like claiming yahoo debases google

04:36:20 altkoin: bitcoin will lose market cap to alt coin pool simply because of its large size.

04:36:27 altkoin: and im sure more creative altcoins will appear

04:36:33 BingoBoingo: altkoin: Marissa Mayer. Yahoo totally debases Google, or is it Facebook?

04:36:33 asciilifeform: eventually people's brains will grow and they will stop thinking of market value as a scalar.

04:37:06 altkoin: bitcoin cant be used as a form of money until theres a bills market established

04:37:14 altkoin: with those meta layers

04:37:18 Ukyo: hmm, whys btc price falling

04:37:37 the20year1: lies

04:37:38 BingoBoingo: altkoin: I wonder do you put your dick in the faucet at night and report to your friends the next day that you got your dick wet?

04:37:45 altkoin: yea

04:37:46 kakobrekla: cause sometimes it goes up, sometimes it goes down and sometimes its just flat

04:37:59 Ukyo: kakobrekla: hah. I prefer a nice 36c :P

04:38:00 altkoin: ukyo: um someone needs fiat?

04:38:02 the20year1: i just wish the gox/cb gap wasn't so huge

04:38:12 altkoin: cb?

04:38:15 Ukyo: cb?

04:38:21 the20year1: coinbase

04:38:24 BingoBoingo: the20year: CB tends to follow the stamp

04:38:29 altkoin: gox has no money why wouldnt it be huge?

04:38:52 altkoin: gox has like 80cents backing every $1 in peoples accounts

04:39:10 the20year1: and stamp follows?

04:39:10 Ukyo: if that :P

04:39:11 BingoBoingo: Here's the heirarchy of BTC-fiat exchanges: OTC, two cans and a string, Bitstamp, Gox, failbase

04:39:24 altkoin: bitstamp is garbage

04:39:35 BingoBoingo: Gox is more garbage.

04:39:38 kakobrekla: lol BingoBoingo

04:39:41 altkoin: its a lengthy Q&A session to make a withdrawl

04:40:03 altkoin: im confused to why bitstamp doesnt deal in euros?

04:40:13 altkoin: or have a euro account

04:40:14 BingoBoingo: I'd sell you fiat for your BTC altkoin if you weren't such a square

04:41:04 altkoin: you know the btc exchanges comply with none existant rules. ive traded with traditional brokers and theres never been Q&A sessions over fking money withdrawls

04:41:27 altkoin: these basement operations think their wallstreet firms

04:41:33 kakobrekla: nejc just needs some moar gas for his tesla, so he makes you answer more questions

04:41:53 BingoBoingo: altkoin: Of course everyone knows. Wy do you think BTC exchanges have such thin volumes.

04:42:01 altkoin: agreed

04:42:12 kakobrekla: the problem is every single exchange is run by webdev

04:42:19 altkoin: btce was the only decent exchange because they didnt give a fk about compliance retards

04:42:26 kakobrekla: thats why it doesnt work.

04:42:29 altkoin: yea thats true too kakobrekla

04:42:46 altkoin: funny how btce became number 1 lol

04:42:50 BingoBoingo: Instead of trading on two cans and a sting exchanges real people meet in the lobby of the airport hilton and trade suitcases of either bills or blow for btc

04:43:03 altkoin: the exchanges are run by nerds

04:43:37 punkman1: someone is running the exchanges? I thought it was wildlife passing through the computer room

04:43:51 kakobrekla: lol

04:44:29 altkoin: at the end of the day all bitcoin will do is make 0.5% of its users filthy rich and impoverish everyone else

04:44:51 BingoBoingo: altkoin: Is that really a bad outcome?

04:45:12 altkoin: well yea thats why it implodes at some point

04:45:16 kakobrekla: anyway, be careful with strings and cans, one might get choked or cut yourself on the edge

04:45:28 Duffer1: i believe that will be the function of assholes, and not bitcoin itself altkoin

04:45:32 altkoin: people are trying to solve moral issues with technology

04:45:48 altkoin: duffer1: bitcoin makes it ultra easy to manipulate people into giving up their money.

04:45:58 altkoin: you just prey on their vices.

04:45:59 BingoBoingo: altkoin: How else do you solve morality?

04:46:26 Duffer1: assholes are REALLY good at manipulating people into giving up pretty much everything

04:46:30 altkoin: bingobingo: bitcoin solves technical issues, used the wrong way it will impoverish majority of its users(already happening)

04:46:34 Duffer1: even their lives

04:46:54 KRS1: lol

04:46:57 Duffer1: that's not a failing of bitcoin though

04:47:05 BingoBoingo: altkoin: What is wrong with impoverishing people who shouldn't have been rich in the first place?

04:47:11 punkman1: altkoin: much opinion

04:47:16 Duffer1: or at least, something that is absolutely in no way unique to bitcoin

04:47:57 altkoin: well bitcoin is technically superior just like the internet was technically superior, and most internet users waste time on it, hence why innovation in the "internet age" has been completely stagnant, the internet generation will grow up to be one of the poorest on record(at least in the west). despite promises of utopia.

04:48:23 Duffer1: it sounds like you're blaming in the internet..

04:48:24 altkoin: same thing will occur with btc. youll have 0.5% ultra rich and everyone else trading in fractions of a satoshi

04:48:25 kakobrekla: what most poeple do is no argument

04:48:28 kakobrekla: most people are stupid

04:48:42 Duffer1: x in x

04:48:51 altkoin: kakobrekla: agreed but the technical superiority of the internet and bitcoin just bring out the efficiency of that stupidity to a new level.

04:49:08 kakobrekla: you try to make it sound like its a bad thing

04:49:16 altkoin: it is

04:49:17 BingoBoingo: altkoin: Well tell that to Upton SInclair who though people would be ashamed at eating fellow people while people instead just ended up being nauseus

04:49:29 Duffer1: i thought it was modern banking practices that did that altkoin...

04:49:53 altkoin: the internet age has been nothing but a disaster, history will look back at another failed attempt at utopia.

04:50:02 kakobrekla: altkoin just start the church of feathercoin and god be with you

04:50:07 Duffer1: so you are blaming the internet?

04:50:11 kakobrekla: i think it got the right coin.

04:50:12 Duffer1: just to be clear

04:50:12 altkoin: lol kakobrekla

04:50:18 punkman1: altkoin: utopia's are not meant to actually exist, it's always a failed attempt

04:50:42 altkoin: duffer1: no what im saying is improved technology used the wrong way causes immense damage and we have plenty of evidence of that. nuclear energy did what? cause the world 70 years of living in fear etc.

04:51:03 Duffer1: ohh

04:51:04 kakobrekla: why dont you give out your coin to the poorest

04:51:08 altkoin: the internet "generation" is dirt poor, unemployed and filled with wrong ideas.

04:51:10 Duffer1: so you're blaming technology?

04:51:52 altkoin: duffer1: no people turned technology into a god, technology can only solve technical issues it cant solve a crisis of morality, if you have no morality you cant have reason, if you dont have reason your guided entirely by passions, emotions, lusts.

04:51:56 altkoin: it makes it easy to control people.

04:52:04 BingoBoingo: For some reason I have a feeling that altkoin is nevar making slashdot

04:52:14 kakobrekla: niggers.txt

04:52:18 BingoBoingo: !b4

04:52:32 kakobrekla: you gotta add a space

04:52:39 BingoBoingo: Ah

04:52:44 assbot: Last 6 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1566896/plain/)

04:52:44 BingoBoingo: !b 6

04:53:14 BingoBoingo: Wait

04:53:26 assbot: Last 10 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1566898/plain/)

04:53:26 BingoBoingo: !b 10

04:53:32 BingoBoingo: Just to be safe

04:53:34 punkman1: what, it doesn't have offset?

04:54:10 Duffer1: so people are shitbags to eachother and bitcoin/internet just compounds the effects of their shitbaggery?

04:54:16 Duffer1: ^ altkoin

04:54:32 kakobrekla: no, we are on the edge of technology here punkman1 , offset would be too much to handle

04:54:57 kakobrekla: maybe morality can fix it

04:55:04 punkman1: kakobrekla: can I make an IPO for building assbot's offset?

04:55:25 kakobrekla: well i guess you can give it a shot.

04:55:32 BingoBoingo: Lulziest article on education evar, standardized tests are the only think keeping 'Murican higher ed close to being higher or education http://www.slate.com/articles/life/counter_narrative/2014/01/president_obama_s_higher_ed_speech_what_we_really_need_is_a_federal_job.html

04:56:21 the20year1: and those evil businesspeople

04:56:53 BingoBoingo: the20year: Are you a grad of THE Ohio State University?

04:57:31 altkoin: yea duffer1 pretty much

04:57:56 Duffer1: isn't that somewhat of a good thing though?

04:57:57 altkoin: duffer1: it makes it even worse. hence why the economies are blowing up in the utopian internet age.

04:58:03 the20year1: BingoBoingo: nope

04:58:11 kakobrekla: Duffer1 i think what altkoin is saying is he needs his parental filter turned back on

04:58:23 altkoin: yea

04:58:26 Duffer1: i would propose the idea to you that such activity speeds up the evolution of "thought"

04:58:29 the20year1: i know quite a few grads though, everyone does

04:58:38 Duffer1: and maybe even culture and morality

04:58:59 BingoBoingo: the20year: Ah, just wondering if you'd be Jealous that Oklahomo State gets to go by OSU in the tickers while Ohio States goes by Bubbling shitpit with flammable rivers

04:59:07 Duffer1: economies have died time and again long before the internet

04:59:59 BingoBoingo: For srs, Ohio makes Somalia look like Paradise

05:00:21 the20year1: depends on the part :D Dayton and cleveland have some pretty terrible neighborhoods

05:00:44 the20year1: But columbus is pretty nice, even the really bad areas (Linden, hilltop, southgate) aren't bad compared to the bad spots of somewhere like Cleveland

05:00:44 Duffer1: if it turns out to be true that such turnover is occurring at faster intervals, i'd say that's a net positive

05:01:49 BingoBoingo: the20year: That's the point. THe worst you can point to is "pretty terrible" or "pretty nice" You can't point to abjectly terrible or stunningly wonderful places in Ohio. Because Ohio is a bubbling shitpit.

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05:02:40 altkoin: ohio is cheap to live in no?

05:02:48 altkoin: isnt a house like 10k

05:02:56 Duffer1: 10k for a 3 bedroom

05:03:07 altkoin: where in cleveland

05:03:11 altkoin: columbus oh isnt that bad

05:04:06 altkoin: problem in those areas was the WASPs imported the blacks from the south during ww2 and then dumped them into the european-catholic neighbourhoods to wreak havoc thinking they could kill 2 birds with 1 stone

05:04:08 Duffer1: the20 is rental starter rental only or is property flipping something you'll be doing as well?

05:04:09 BingoBoingo: Even MIssouri which is a Homophone for misery can point to places worse than Somalia, like the parts of North Saint Louis without the Poles in control. Misery can also point to the absolutely heavenly places like Bush stadium. And oh shit, you can walk to both places within an hour.

05:04:19 the20year1: We'll look at flipping when it makes sense

05:04:36 altkoin: created a frankenstein

05:04:40 Duffer1: cool

05:04:44 BingoBoingo: Ohio is basically Kansas with hills.

05:04:46 the20year1: There are plenty of great areas of Ohio , the area I'm located in is fantastic in my opinion. Very low crime rate overall, property prices are low - I can buy 6,000 finished square feet for under $200k

05:05:02 Duffer1: o.o

05:05:08 altkoin: pennsylvania and ohio have a nice landscape

05:05:26 the20year1: Alot of areas, $200k won't buy you a 1 bedroom apartment or condo, but here it can buy a castle

05:05:40 BingoBoingo: Low crime rate isn't an absolute plus though. Could simply imply police state and the stazi oppress too much.

05:05:41 altkoin: 200k doesnt even buy a decent sports car these days

05:05:44 the20year1: and you're not packed in like sardines with a million other people

05:05:55 the20year1: BingoBoingo: very little police presence where I'm at

05:06:01 the20year1: half the county has 1 police officer

05:06:04 Duffer1: pretty sure the r8 is under 200k

05:06:06 altkoin: the20yearl: right but theres nothing to do either

05:06:16 altkoin: duffer1: glorified volkswagen

05:06:19 the20year1: Depends if you want to get in your car and drive for 30 minutes to go do something

05:06:21 Duffer1: how dare you

05:06:32 altkoin: the20year1: yea and go to TGIFs lol

05:06:35 the20year1: If you're ok with that, you can be in the arena district of Columbus which has just about anything you'd want

05:06:38 BingoBoingo: the20year: Well grand theft auto style complete lack of police can lead to an absence of recorded crime as well.

05:06:57 the20year1: Not really, it still is very low crime, people still have teh ability to file police reports when things happen

05:07:09 altkoin: bingoboingo ohio is not a warzone man lol

05:07:17 the20year1: Everyone is free to do what they want, crime is pretty well suppressed when 10% of capable adults in your county carry a gun

05:07:34 altkoin: id prefer pennsylvania to ohio

05:07:47 the20year1: there are q uite a few areas of PA that are identical to where I'm located in Ohio

05:07:59 the20year1: Gettysburg is nearly identical

05:08:10 BingoBoingo: What this Ohio versus Missouri dispute boils down to though is not Crime rates. It is who was the better second baseman last year. The awesome Matt Carpenter or the cancer known as Brandon Phillips who you couldn't trade if you wanted to.

05:08:18 the20year1: I love missouri

05:08:32 the20year1: My wife's family is from the springfield area, great land prices, lots of space

05:08:37 BingoBoingo: I kinda wish I still lived in Missouri.

05:08:46 the20year1: And for me, i'm ok with trading 'stuff to do' for personal freedom

05:09:18 altkoin: US cities were destroyed after WW2 when the ruling wasps decided to perform social experiments, they were afraid of the catholic population becoming a majority, so when they brought blacks up from the south to work in the war factories they decided to dump them into catholic neighbourhoods ie (irish,polish,italian) to decimate them

05:09:24 the20year1: It's nice that I can go in the back yard at my parents house and detonate high explosives, and no one gets their panties in a bunch

05:09:26 altkoin: today were living in that result

05:09:34 BingoBoingo: Springfield Missouri kinda scares me though because the only thing to do there seems to be get raped, OD on meth, and get raped some moar

05:09:53 altkoin: also the explosion in interest rates in the 70's and 80's destroyed US manufacturing

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05:10:02 the20year1: that isn't what destroyed it

05:10:04 Duffer1: the20 are there any ohio aread with googlefiber?

05:10:12 Duffer1: areas*

05:10:26 the20year1: Out of all the factories i've talked to who have relocated, none have noted interest rates as a reason for leaving the US

05:10:31 the20year1: Not that i know of, but we do have fiber in my area

05:10:31 altkoin: theyear20: yes it was. it made it impossible for capital intensive industry to replenish

05:11:03 the20year1: I'm just reiterating those I've talked to who run factories who have relocated outside of the US

05:11:08 the20year1: (mexico or China mostly)

05:11:11 BingoBoingo: Duffer1: Macomb and Highland Illinois are two areas with municipal fiber. Much of the Midwest that god hasn't cursed with being a shitpit like Ohio has fiber to the home.

05:11:15 altkoin: the20year1: you are clueless. the sky high rates made it impossible to invest into new equipment, the companies were trading at below book value so vultura capitalists using debt bought them and sold them in pieces

05:11:18 the20year1: Their words to me were governmental regulations and high legal costs

05:11:33 altkoin: the20year1: the majority of US plant closures occured in the 70's and 80's, the 90's and 2000's was just the remanents.

05:11:46 the20year1: What stats are you going from?

05:11:54 Duffer1: lol damn bingo, show us on the doll where the bad ohio touched you

05:12:16 BingoBoingo: Duffer1: The taint, because that is what Ohio is.

05:12:18 altkoin: the20year1: US industry ie steel, was destroyed during 70's and 80's

05:12:39 altkoin: the20year1: the plants your talking about were smaller scale remanents in the 90's and 2000's who got trashed by regulations

05:12:44 the20year1: and it had nothing to do with lower costs of manufacturing outside the US?

05:13:15 altkoin: it had to do with interest rates being so high it was impossible to finance new capital, so corporations began looking outside the US to make up for this and they did via low wages.

05:13:23 altkoin: but the initial cause of them looking was the absurdly high rates.

05:13:40 altkoin: rising interest rates destroy fixed capital, declining interest rates wreck intangible capital(banks)

05:13:52 the20year1: the high interest rates didn't last significantly long

05:13:54 altkoin: hence why the banking system is insolvent after 20 years of declining rates.

05:13:55 BingoBoingo: altkoin: If I wanted to tomorrow I could drive 30 minutes and start making manhole covers until as I lose as many fingers as grandpa did as a carpenter. 'Murica still kinda has a steel industry

05:14:13 altkoin: the20year1: lol they lasted long enough to destroy most US heavy industry

05:14:34 altkoin: the20year1: you could literally buy corporations for 25-30% book value and sell them off in pieces. thats what wallstreet did in the 80's

05:14:36 the20year1: The interest rates in the 60s were in the area of 6% throught the decade

05:14:47 altkoin: dude im talking about 70's and 80's

05:14:49 the20year1: They hit 8.5% in '69

05:14:49 BingoBoingo: altkoin: You up for a game of chess?

05:14:52 altkoin: when nixon went off the gold standard rates exploded

05:15:00 altkoin: they went to 20%

05:15:06 altkoin: before declining for the next 30 years to what we have now

05:15:29 the20year1: 20%+ for a few months

05:15:31 altkoin: you realize anything past 5% its impossible to finance a project with? youll never make enough profit to service the debt. especially in heavy industry.

05:15:46 the20year1: By the mid 80s they dropped below 10% again

05:15:49 altkoin: the20year1: dude a 10 year bond was like 13%. thats UNPAYABLE on long term projects

05:16:24 the20year1: So then we should see a surplus of manufacturing startups with the government practically throwing loans to anyone whom want them?

05:16:25 altkoin: under the gold standard interest rates tended to be quite stable so US industry was able to reinvest profits

05:16:48 BingoBoingo: the20year altkoin: Both of you start citing some sources. Preferably motherfucking reputable sources that gave your mums a little D.

05:16:58 altkoin: the20year1: when interest rates drop, bank intangible capital gets destroyed. the price of a bond increases so its harder to get out of debt you need more $$ to buy back the bond.

05:17:13 the20year1: Like I said, i'm just stating what i've heard from people who run factories

05:17:15 altkoin: the20year1: 30 years of declining interest rates have left the banking system insolvent hence why we had 2008.

05:17:23 altkoin: what factories? tiny ass ones?

05:17:34 altkoin: majority of US industry began vanishing in 70's and 80's not 2000's

05:17:34 the20year1: depends on what you consider tiny

05:17:49 altkoin: drive through ohio and PA you can see all the shit from the 80's

05:18:33 altkoin: the remanents of US industry in the 90's and 2000's got ruined via massive regulation and litigation

05:19:01 the20year1: ok

05:19:02 altkoin: also falling interest rates allowed business's to constantly refinance lower thereby killing their competiition even if the competition was perfectly viable.

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05:19:17 altkoin: do you understand the problem is institutionalized usury?

05:19:28 the20year1: No

05:19:44 the20year1: What do you consider usury? 10%, 20%? Do you want the government to set all private interest rates?

05:19:50 altkoin: every economy that operates on usury ends up being completely destroyed its occured dozens of time in history

05:20:11 altkoin: the20year1: compound interest is impossible. you will never produce enough wealth to service it.

05:20:31 benkay: hey guys i want to push a conspiracy theory cum trolling on the general public to hasten the end of the tyrant along the lines of 'fed is secretly direct depositing money in city coffers around the states to keep the usa "economy" ticking along - notice all the road construction? that's not fuded by tax receipts i'll tell you that right now" etc etc

05:20:36 benkay: best part is that it's basically true

05:20:36 the20year1: I still am trying to understand what point you're trying to make

05:21:10 altkoin: benkay: ? its probably financed via usury contracts (bonds)

05:21:31 benkay: see you don't even have to try with this one, people just pick it up and keep it rolling

05:21:36 altkoin: the fed is not direct depisitng money anywhere, they can only loan funds backed by collateral

05:21:43 benkay: mhm

05:22:01 benkay: if you're arguing with me about the actual topic you're missing the point

05:22:04 altkoin: QE wont work becuase the fed will run out of collateral to loan against

05:22:20 the20year1: they did that long ago, the real issue with QE is that everyone is racing to the bottom

05:22:21 altkoin: soon theyll own every treasury bond lol

05:22:25 benkay: FED FUD

05:22:40 altkoin: the20year1: racing to the bottom with what?

05:22:47 the20year1: and then teh whole world will collapse into mad max style gangs and we'll all have to just take care of ourselves

05:22:52 benkay: yessssss

05:22:56 the20year1: And thankfully, since I'm in Ohio, I can take care of my self

05:23:01 benkay: ONWARDS BITCOIN SOLDIERS

05:23:09 the20year1: All I need to do is weld some AR500 to my big old 4x4 truck and i'll have my own tank

05:23:16 benkay: yeah i'm putting together a crazy long shot

05:23:26 benkay: i'll probably end up dead in an alley somewhere, stabbed for my btc

05:23:29 altkoin: we already had high inflation

05:23:30 the20year1: Go around, taking women so I can build Ohio's bigges hiram, and then a bunch of slaves to work my rentalstarter fields of gold

05:23:37 altkoin: the future is deflation not inflation

05:23:46 benkay: lol biggest hiram

05:23:52 the20year1: and anyone that resists, i'll fire my big old pneumatic spear gun at them

05:24:01 benkay: *pchoo*

05:24:05 the20year1: put their heads on pikes, strewn about the once-lavish parts of Columbus

05:24:12 the20year1: so they know not to come to my county

05:24:29 benkay: dude when my cashflow stablizes i'm going to start working on hacking shotguns to fire arrows

05:24:32 benkay: flechettes

05:24:39 the20year1: I'm already ahead of you

05:24:48 benkay: oh oh

05:24:50 benkay: bullshit but go on

05:25:15 the20year1: not only does my 4x4 have fire-arrow mounting capability, i also can quickly build trebuchets to seige my enemies

05:25:27 benkay: bah trebuchets

05:25:35 benkay: chemicals obsoleted that shit

05:25:42 the20year1: and i also have a garage full of concertina wire

05:25:46 benkay: one doesn't even need particularly advanced fab toolchain either

05:25:50 benkay: that shit is useful

05:26:10 benkay: i am also hacking on vectored thrust drones

05:26:15 the20year1: i financed it all with high interest bonds

05:26:19 benkay: garbage drones

05:26:19 BingoBoingo: the20year: If the US decays to Mad max rules, we are both doomed. The difference between us if I can occasionally get a laugh out of the North StL mauraders which might spare my life.

05:26:47 the20year1: I'm surrounded by farmland, it will be easy to establish my zones of influence

05:27:02 benkay: i will put the children to work building garbage drones each equipped with throwaway shotgun crossbows

05:27:21 benkay: the mad armorer of cascadia

05:27:55 BingoBoingo: the20year: What do you do when these motherfucker show up at the border of your farmland http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQ7mhLp0abU

05:28:25 altkoin: europe has a higher chance of mad max then US

05:29:22 BingoBoingo: altkoin: And you have the highest chance of carrying an extra chromosone here

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05:29:27 altkoin: european cities are pretty much swarming with muslim hordes, brussels is like what 50% muslim lol theres already islam no go zones.

05:29:47 benkay: hey assbot your responses aren't correct under load

05:30:17 BingoBoingo: What are these muslim hordes when they don't have a sultan to give them orders?

05:30:25 altkoin: they have imams

05:30:29 altkoin: giving them orders duh

05:31:01 altkoin: marsielle france is pretty much a muslim city at this point, most dangerous in EU, they attack fire stations and police outright

05:31:08 kakobrekla: its how irc works benkay , not everyone sees the same. fyi i see what ass seees.

05:31:19 benkay: i'm also joking kakobrekla

05:31:24 kakobrekla: a.

05:31:36 altkoin: given the choice in a mad max id rather be in US vs EU thats for sure

05:31:51 the20year1: more room, more guns to protect yourself with

05:31:53 altkoin: in US you at least have a chance to defend yourself, you can forget that in europe

05:32:01 BingoBoingo: altkoin: I'm sorry I can't here you over the sound of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQ7mhLp0abU

05:32:25 benkay: kakobrekla: didn't mean to insult you or anything, it was an oblique comment about programming on internet and bosses

05:32:26 altkoin: europe is a better place to be in normal times though if you are rich

05:32:31 altkoin: just way more interesting then america

05:32:44 the20year1: "interesting"

05:32:52 altkoin: yea like having culture.

05:32:57 benkay: kakobrekla: my next line was going to be 'you too, mpex proxies'

05:33:03 the20year1: "Culture"

05:33:06 altkoin: theres tons of places in europe that are also vastly underrated

05:33:07 kakobrekla: benkay lol.

05:33:31 the20year1: like bulgaria

05:33:41 kakobrekla: like you been there?

05:33:44 altkoin: slovakia, slovenia, croatia

05:33:47 altkoin: poland

05:33:51 kakobrekla: somalia

05:33:54 altkoin: even hungary

05:34:04 the20year1: all fun places

05:34:07 altkoin: in europe if you have $$ your living much better then almost anywhere stateside

05:34:11 the20year1: bribe the police ,get whatever you want

05:34:38 BingoBoingo: Or was I listening to this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJgu7nGzBRM

05:34:38 altkoin: the20year1: i dont think that works anymore

05:34:47 altkoin: those used to be the fun days

05:34:48 the20year1: those i talk to seem to think so

05:35:01 altkoin: yea i think its still left in some of the none eu areas

05:35:52 kakobrekla: whats left? police bribes?

05:36:02 kakobrekla: on the south. for locals mostly.

05:36:03 BingoBoingo: If China invades 'Murica to collect what fiat they are owed I assure you it probably won't be hillbillies repelling the invasion by throwing their flags up.

05:36:25 BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Police bribes are best bribes

05:36:33 altkoin: US is impossible to invade

05:37:13 altkoin: its too armed theres like 10 billion in ammo in private hands alone

05:37:17 kakobrekla: yeah i have done those before.

05:37:26 altkoin: kako yea police bribes

05:37:54 kakobrekla: dont work in slovenia, also very hard in croatia. but bosnia, serbian, no problem.?

05:38:08 altkoin: yea none eu zones

05:38:21 kakobrekla: also MK

05:38:22 kakobrekla: yea

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05:39:44 altkoin: kako: are you still long all your initial btc?

05:39:55 BingoBoingo: altkoin: The thing is actual hard parts to invade are not the parts you probably are thinking of

05:40:23 kakobrekla: well i guess so.

05:40:46 kakobrekla: but im not long, that would imply im borrowing.

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05:41:10 the20year1: US isn't a good candidate for invasion

05:41:17 kakobrekla: hm? that is bashable?

05:41:18 the20year1: you'd have to invade either from Canada or Mexico

05:41:56 altkoin: the US is not going to face economic collapse for awhile

05:42:02 altkoin: its still a gigantic farm to tax

05:42:05 the20year1: Hopefully not

05:42:34 BingoBoingo: the20year: See comments here http://fraudsters.com/2014/most-wrong-and-absolutely-wrongest/#comment-97658

05:43:33 the20year1: US is a big place, smallpox might do a decent job, but it'd have to be quite effective

05:44:00 altkoin: the west is facing demographic collapse

05:44:06 altkoin: which is tied with economic collapse

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05:45:04 the20year1: I guess, btu there are still quite a few groups in teh US that are growing reasonably well that are high population producers - latinos and evangelical christians

05:45:29 altkoin: yea the US isnt as bad as europe

05:45:44 altkoin: europe at current rates will be a mostly muslim continent within 2 generations

05:45:51 the20year1: Europe is a mess

05:45:55 altkoin: it will be a massive bosnia

05:46:08 the20year1: although I think they'll resort to 'traditional habbits' like genocide before it becomes a huge issue

05:46:28 altkoin: well im pretty sure they will just end up kicking all islam out

05:46:44 altkoin: theres only so much you can put up with, its been 1000 year history of islams constant invasions

05:47:20 altkoin: they enter a place, put up a few mosques and turn everything in a huge ghetto

05:47:24 altkoin: into*

05:47:34 altkoin: lazy as hell

05:48:11 BingoBoingo: altkoin: How do you think the Spanish invaded the US so successfully. It was mostly smallpox and demographic collapse.

05:48:27 altkoin: the spanish invaded the US?

05:48:37 altkoin: right pal.

05:49:01 altkoin: there was nothing in the US other then nomadic tribes wondering about

05:49:43 altkoin: the savagery the spanish witnessed was absolutely shocking

05:50:58 BingoBoingo: altkoin: You sound like a spectacularly racist nigger nao

05:51:13 altkoin: lol yea

05:51:26 BingoBoingo: Also.. Which european power sold FLorida

05:51:37 altkoin: your talking politically correct history that is totally disconnected from reality

05:51:53 altkoin: there was nothing in america when europeans landed

05:52:51 altkoin: most of the natives were killing each other off, hence if you study US battles youll see one tribe always joins up with one of the european powers against another

05:53:10 BingoBoingo: altkoin: Well, explain the stands of nut trees and fruit bushes that resembled gardens through the entire eastern US by the time Squanto, The last man standing met the pilgrims.

05:53:17 altkoin: also the spanish were in complete shock when they saw the type of activities the inca's were engaged in

05:53:35 BingoBoingo: Well, the Incas were perverts.

05:53:35 altkoin: baby killing, mass human sacrifice, demon worship etc.

05:53:38 altkoin: its all documented

05:53:56 altkoin: they werent some "one with nature" civilization living in a utopia

05:54:23 punkman1: they just wanted dat inca gold

05:54:38 altkoin: actually most of the new world had silver not gold

05:54:55 altkoin: well, less gold then they expected

05:56:10 altkoin: europe needs to go back to its pre enlightenment roots if it wants to survive, its been failed utopia after failed utopia in europe since the enlightment, massive wars, genocides

05:56:26 altkoin: inventions of concepts like race superiority

05:59:06 jborkl: The catholic church got so rich by being super duper nice and educating Indians

05:59:34 altkoin: dude most of their wealth is illiquid

05:59:37 altkoin: its art and land

05:59:51 altkoin: like yea go sell a fresco lol.

06:00:11 altkoin: the majority of church wealth was stolen by nation states and looted

06:01:07 altkoin: protestant reformation started the chain of events that would lead to europes collapse centuries later

06:02:07 altkoin: by the way the catholic church was the only one that raised the issues of native mistreatment and slavery in the new colonies.

06:02:37 altkoin: the kings were basically looting

06:03:12 BingoBoingo: Maybe everyone views history as simply as altkoin

06:03:29 altkoin: no i view facts.

06:03:32 punkman1: I hope not

06:03:55 BingoBoingo: I wonder why scandanavian culture isn't much bigger in 'Murica then.

06:04:05 BingoBoingo: Well, I guess Ikea is a thing.

06:04:05 punkman1: re: baby killing, you know people did that because they didn't want their kids to grow up as slaves?

06:04:06 altkoin: because america is a destroyer of cultures

06:04:18 altkoin: all empires are cultural vacuums

06:04:40 altkoin: also modern scandanavian culture is a joke. its rooted in fallacies ie relativism.

06:05:19 altkoin: the easiest way to tell if a culture is strong is to look at the art and music it produces, and modern art and music makes you want to puke.

06:05:20 BingoBoingo: altkoin: Scandanavians were the first Europeans to invade the Americas. And why weren't they successful?

06:05:34 altkoin: right "invade"

06:05:49 altkoin: your univerisity tell you that?

06:05:53 altkoin: there has to be something to invade first.

06:06:04 altkoin: did they invade florida swamps? or new york forests?

06:06:23 altkoin: what cities did they attack? which roads did they use to get them there.

06:06:25 BingoBoingo: altkoin: The vikings tried to invade Canadia

06:06:48 altkoin: is landing on land invasion? lol

06:06:53 altkoin: like what do you mean by that

06:07:27 BingoBoingo: altkoin: I mean they landed in Newfoundland and were repelled by large armies of native warriors

06:07:53 altkoin: thats nice one warrior group vs another

06:08:02 BingoBoingo: Then a few centuries later the spanish land

06:08:12 altkoin: vikings were uncivlized brutes.

06:08:32 BingoBoingo: By the time the english land in Massachussets North America had been depopulated by disease

06:08:34 altkoin: everywhere they landed the objective was violence

06:08:37 Ademan: wow haha what triggered this discussion?

06:08:53 altkoin: bingoboingo dude how many times are you going to repeat the disease fallacy, there was nobody in north america

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06:09:01 altkoin: it was nomadic tribes moving around

06:09:35 BingoBoingo: altkoin: You can call nearly everything a fallacy until evidence is introduced. I suggest reading moar.

06:09:49 altkoin: there is no evidence

06:10:05 altkoin: your talking modernist revised history that always puts everything bad on the european.

06:10:28 altkoin: north america had nothing.

06:10:32 BingoBoingo: Oh, no evidence other than a fuckton of dead vikinfs in canada and cities in the eastern US that suddenly collapsed due to disease

06:10:41 altkoin: what cities?

06:10:51 altkoin: there wasnt a single "native" city in north america

06:11:05 altkoin: they were nomads

06:11:07 BingoBoingo: Well, let us start with Cahokia altkoin

06:11:43 altkoin: ok

06:11:49 altkoin: what city did they inhabit

06:13:21 Ademan: What are you guys arguing? That north america can't be invaded, or that north america can't be invaded *now*?

06:13:40 altkoin: hes talking about how europeans invaded north america some 500 years ago or whatever

06:13:48 Ademan: because talking about dead vikings seems a bit tangential to discussing invading north america *now*

06:13:49 altkoin: and found immense native cities and civilization

06:13:57 altkoin: and advanced technologies

06:14:04 altkoin: but disease killed everyone

06:15:01 altkoin: i mean its always something with the self hating european these days

06:15:19 Ademan: is that really what you guys were arguing? That sounds verifiable

06:15:26 altkoin: yea i know lol

06:15:46 BingoBoingo: altkoin: Cahokia was a city of Native Americans roughly as big as the collection of mistizos in trailers living there nao

06:15:57 altkoin: prove it.

06:16:10 BingoBoingo: They made dirt piles bigger than some of the pyramids

06:16:41 BingoBoingo: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cahokia

06:16:42 ozbot: Cahokia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

06:16:54 altkoin: yea

06:17:10 altkoin: i guess you can call that a city.

06:17:15 altkoin: mass sacrifice mounds

06:17:21 BingoBoingo: Along the Mississippi there are other numerous and less impressive cities

06:18:18 BingoBoingo: Also altkoin If you want to control a population and don't have pepper gas, what tool would you use. Sacrifice mounds seemed to be awfully effective...

06:18:18 altkoin: the majority of natives were nomads or members of complete savage "empires" engaged in mass scale human sacrifice, cannibalism, etc

06:19:01 BingoBoingo: altkoin: That doesn't sound very different than the Greeks or the Dagas just a few centuries earlier.

06:19:03 Duffer1: lol wat

06:19:23 BingoBoingo: Or how do you do the plural of Dago

06:19:24 Ademan: I'm unaware of any cannibalism in north america...

06:19:36 Duffer1: or human sacrifice

06:19:56 Ademan: depends on where you draw the line for central america really

06:20:10 altkoin: duffer1 lol are you kidding me.

06:20:21 altkoin: human sacrifice was a staple amongst natives

06:20:30 BingoBoingo: When Romulus and Remus raped the Saibines, what protein were they eating?

06:20:32 Duffer1: which natives?

06:20:47 altkoin: iroquois were notorious cannibals

06:21:10 BingoBoingo: altkoin: Iriqouis were the original Chis Christie New Jersey fat asses

06:21:17 altkoin: lol

06:22:12 BingoBoingo: So altkoin You have labled maybe 200 square miles of isolationists cannibals

06:23:37 BingoBoingo: What I wonder is how dense a person has to be to suppose that pecan trees grow in massive homogenous groves, larger than the largest ollive groves in Europe at the time

06:27:32 altkoin: i wonder if we are witnessing the end of the altcoins in this latest sell off

06:27:34 BingoBoingo: altkoin: I don't dispute that Europeans conquered North America. I dispute you supposition that North (i.e. Richest nao America) was an uninhabited wasteland

06:28:00 altkoin: i think the next leg up in bitcoin will not involve altcoin participation

06:29:03 Duffer1: bitcoin does it's own thing, altcoins do theirs

06:29:12 Duffer1: there will always be altcoins

06:29:14 altkoin: bingoboingo: when the europeans arrived it was a wasteland with nomads. i never disputed civilizations existing, but they were subsistence level based on ritual sacrfiice and slaughter, and almost none were around when europeans began colonizing north america

06:29:40 altkoin: cahokia was like 500 years before european contact

06:30:15 BingoBoingo: altkoin: You sound like the exact sort of person who the North County Cowboys would be thrilled to harvest. Scroll up to see youtube videos.

06:30:35 altkoin: and you sound like a self hating swede

06:31:31 BingoBoingo: altkoin: Well cahokia collapsed roughly 100 years after scandanavian conact...

06:31:44 altkoin: based on your speculation

06:31:57 BingoBoingo: altkoin: And python scripts.

06:32:10 altkoin: look how far cahokia is from newfoundland

06:32:19 Ademan: I scrolled up and ended up listening to da union...

06:32:29 BingoBoingo: altkoin: Roughly 100 years as a virus

06:32:41 altkoin: yea right

06:33:11 altkoin: everyone from sweden hates themselves for some reason, i mean its to the point where your telling me your super great ancestors even spread a virus that wiped out a society lol

06:33:34 BingoBoingo: altkoin: Maybe you just work in the wrong mindset. As a native Illinoisian I am accustomed to measuring distance and time in the same units.

06:33:46 Ademan: I'm not swedish but I wouldn't give a shit if my ancestors spread a virus... I didn't do it...

06:33:48 BingoBoingo: Also my ancestors are dutch

06:33:55 altkoin: yea whatever

06:34:05 BingoBoingo: All they spread was the high

06:34:14 Ademan: that's some retarded "original sin" style inherrited guilt shit

06:34:14 punkman1: and tulips

06:34:28 Duffer1: i guess what we really need to know is

06:34:30 altkoin: and stocks

06:34:31 Duffer1: will it blend?

06:34:39 punkman1: it will

06:34:45 altkoin: and central banks

06:34:56 altkoin: and corporations

06:34:56 Ademan: one of the dutch tulips strains was really awesome

06:35:16 punkman1: so YC is gonna cure AIDS nao

06:35:20 punkman1: for free!

06:35:26 BingoBoingo: Ademan: You should see my front yard in about 11.6 weeks

06:35:26 Ademan: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulip_breaking_virus

06:35:26 ozbot: Tulip breaking virus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

06:35:27 punkman1: maybe it will have ADS

06:36:04 Ademan: BingoBoingo: When did you plant them?

06:36:24 BingoBoingo: Ademan: Years ago. They got roots

06:36:32 Ademan: ah cool

06:36:59 punkman1: I planted a bougainvillea yesterday

06:38:04 BingoBoingo: altkoin: You sound like the sort of self censoring mother fucker who would rather imagine North America was completely uninhabited (though how did the Incas and Aztecs get to their ruins) than suppose an ancestor of yours might have ever killed a motherfucker for their land

06:38:28 altkoin: no im not disputing that

06:38:36 altkoin: your the one using words like "invasion"

06:38:37 Ademan: these guys actually have good trigger discipline... is that gangsta?

06:38:49 altkoin: they never had any land to begin with

06:39:00 altkoin: it was nomadic tribes. land becomes yours when you add value to it

06:39:10 altkoin: ie homesteading

06:39:22 altkoin: you cant claim large swaths of land lol thats absurd

06:39:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25196 @ 0.00099501 = 25.0703 BTC [-] {2}

06:39:50 altkoin: land by itself is useless, it needs human labor for value to be created

06:39:55 Ademan: but then they said "clip"

06:40:05 altkoin: thats the "price" you pay for it.

06:40:10 Ademan: that's a hell of a banana "clip" though

06:40:24 BingoBoingo: Ademan: Yeah, if 'Murica collapses they will own all of your shit

06:40:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 20 @ 0.02618075 = 0.5236 BTC [-] {6}

06:41:06 BingoBoingo: altcoin There are still permanent structures native Americans left.

06:41:08 Ademan: BingoBoingo: luckily they're not near me :-)

06:42:37 Ademan: and also the stereotype of gang bangers not being able to hit jack shit is true in my experience at the range (maybe the rest are so good they don't go to the range?)

06:44:33 BingoBoingo: Ademan: Well, the official position of the StL pd is cointainment rather than confrontation.

06:52:27 Ademan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5FDvzj8YX4

06:52:28 ozbot: Introducing Ethereum - YouTube

06:52:55 BingoBoingo: altkoin: I just dunno what mistaken presupositions you might have that suggest the horrible NE USA was cultivated in such a hospitible manner.

07:35:24 herbijudlestoids: hullo

07:37:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37848 @ 0.0009933 = 37.5944 BTC [-] {5}

08:04:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23900 @ 0.00099459 = 23.7707 BTC [+]

08:07:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 43 @ 0.00308633 = 0.1327 BTC [+]

08:08:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14750 @ 0.00099257 = 14.6404 BTC [-]

08:09:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 2 @ 0.05499883 = 0.11 BTC [+] {2}

08:42:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.46155001 = 4.6155 BTC [-] {4}

08:51:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.47000001 BTC [+]

08:58:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.52739874 = 5.274 BTC [+] {7}

08:59:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.53999998 = 1.62 BTC [+] {2}

09:01:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 21 @ 0.005 = 0.105 BTC [+] {2}

09:04:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.003075 = 0.1538 BTC [-]

09:09:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 33 @ 0.005 = 0.165 BTC [+] {2}

09:10:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7954 @ 0.00099575 = 7.9202 BTC [+] {2}

09:12:46 punkman1: http://www.rectaltronics.com/

09:12:47 ozbot: Rectaltronics Inc. Home Page

09:14:52 jurov: what, custom-made buttplugs?

09:17:48 jurov: and dat log again....funny muricans think they have worse police state than ukraine and worse neighborhoods than somalia

09:18:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 150 @ 0.00308418 = 0.4626 BTC [+] {4}

09:18:08 jurov: even that nuclear power discussion fail

09:18:21 jurov: 1. atomic bomb gets invented

09:18:36 jurov: 2. nuclear power get invented

09:18:48 jurov: 3. nuclear power is adapted to make moar bombs

09:18:54 jurov: 4. nuclear power is blamed

09:30:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.47050202 = 5.646 BTC [-] {7}

09:32:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 600 @ 0.00308949 = 1.8537 BTC [+] {2}

09:36:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41200 @ 0.00099146 = 40.8482 BTC [-] {3}

09:46:09 simlay: I wonder if Rectaltronics makes dynamic buttplugs.

09:46:17 simlay: Or if that's a legitimate thing.

09:46:20 simlay: I should write a patent.

09:49:06 punkman1: "The patented Rectaltronic Stereophonic effect is a key part of every Rectaltonics butt-plug sold. Utilizing microprocessor technology to provide patented waveform control of the oscillation units, a unique surround feeling (not unlike Sensurround(tm)) is generated upon insertion an activation of the butt-plug."

09:49:34 Duffer1: fascinating

09:49:41 simlay: Yeah, I thought of an idea that was to do Machine learning on sex toys.

09:50:02 simlay: ie, automate orgasms

09:50:07 Duffer1: like a 5.1 homestereo

09:50:10 Duffer1: but for your ass

09:50:13 BingoBoingo: simlay: Sorry you are so incredibly late

09:50:20 simlay: Does it exist?

09:50:35 punkman1: it's an old joke that site

09:50:47 simlay: haha. That makes it much better.

09:52:04 simlay: Tomball, Texas

09:52:11 simlay: does not seem like the place to make buttplugs.

10:12:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 13 @ 0.48 = 6.24 BTC [+] {2}

10:27:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 129 @ 0.00309 = 0.3986 BTC [+]

10:28:57 TomYum_: OP: I have a question about sending traffic as an affiliate. Are you online to answer?

10:30:21 TomYum_: Can I send traffic to main page for credit or need to be link to specific bet?

10:30:22 BingoBoingo: TomYum_: I am a SLashot champion I know about much traffic, much victory

10:31:19 BingoBoingo: TomYum_: It sounds liek you actually don't need a link you annoy anough already

10:31:36 BingoBoingo: Write on your left buttcheek Bingo.

10:32:00 BingoBoingo: On Your right buttcheek write Boingo

10:32:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 400 @ 0.00309 = 1.236 BTC [+]

10:32:20 BingoBoingo: I offer 0.0005 BTC for completing this task.

10:33:15 BingoBoingo: TomYum_: If that offer is too poor for you write ROADHOUSE on your body and learn how to be a moar polite bitch

10:33:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 85 @ 0.00309201 = 0.2628 BTC [+] {2}

10:34:14 Duffer1: no marker?

10:34:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79332 @ 0.00099686 = 79.0829 BTC [+] {4}

10:34:51 BingoBoingo: Duffer1: Sharpie was it mentioned or merely implyied

10:35:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6668 @ 0.00099901 = 6.6614 BTC [+]

10:35:28 Duffer1: no i meant you usually offer extra for marker in the cornhole

10:35:39 Duffer1: or was that someone else

10:36:15 BingoBoingo: Duffer1: No. I usually offer a bitof pittance for people who put a sharpie in their pooper for the pittance they offer.

10:36:37 dub: sharpie is murican for marker

10:36:59 Duffer1: i see

10:37:03 BingoBoingo: Since there is no such thing as a pittance in BTC anymoar I am no longer encouraging mother fuckers to rape their mums.

10:37:15 Duffer1: shame that

10:37:32 BingoBoingo: shame you Duffer1 you rape factory

10:38:05 Duffer1: so rape

10:38:07 Duffer1: much wow

10:38:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 231 @ 0.00483256 = 1.1163 BTC [-] {10}

10:38:39 BingoBoingo: BTW, I am offering 1BTC for a hammer if with that hammer you can provide Trade Fortress's warm body

10:38:54 Duffer1: ಠ_ಠ

10:39:30 BingoBoingo: fuck your judg ascii Duffer1

10:40:08 Duffer1: did they never find TF? i haven't been following that

10:41:04 BingoBoingo: Duffer1: There are strong leads on that case, but best as I can tell TF might as well be the sluggards who declared themselves TF's worst enemies.

10:54:58 punkman1: "Google Glass-wearing movie patron questioned by Homeland Security agents as potential pirate"

11:01:00 punkman1: I don't even need comedy anymore, news headlines do just fine

11:01:04 punkman1: "Google patents ad-powered taxi service that would offer free rides to shoppers. Advertisers would pay for your transportation in the hope that you buy something."

11:01:13 BingoBoingo: Some people are trying to keep descendants of TF's CoinChat a thing. Just answaer then with Niggers.txt says sharks are delicious.

11:02:42 punkman1: how about free housing in all those half-empty malls?

11:03:08 pankkake: they got their strategy from http://youtu.be/HTkA9L2J2gY

11:04:05 pankkake: anyway, advertising isn't some infinitely expanding cake… especially when businesses are looking to reduce costs

11:04:50 punkman1: yeah but maybe you'll steal a twinkie while living for free in the mall, and they can finally claim insurance

11:04:53 BingoBoingo: punkman1: How about you suck my dick or I feed you to tillikum you fucking bitch

11:05:32 BingoBoingo: pankkake: Punkman is an infinitely expandin cake

11:05:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37873 @ 0.00099174 = 37.5602 BTC [-] {2}

11:06:10 pankkake: and I was missing a discussion about butt plugs. why do I sleep

11:07:05 BingoBoingo: pankkake: Because Tillikum's revenge is the most just ship on the seven seas and it is bringing back real oil, whale oil.

11:07:15 BingoBoingo: Because fuck those fatties

11:07:57 BingoBoingo: Also like Tillikum has ate so many people

11:10:52 BingoBoingo: I am surprisingly cool with an orca eating hald the people my mouse touches. What are you fucks going to do? Cook better meth heisenberg?

11:11:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6228 @ 0.00098983 = 6.1647 BTC [-]

11:14:02 punkman1: I'll feed your dick to Tilikum and swim away while he sucks you off

11:14:20 BingoBoingo: So.... Three days later jiggaboo shit.RU wins the referral contest.

11:14:32 BingoBoingo: Second place is Slashdot.

11:15:55 BingoBoingo: Third place is niggers.txt so punkman you just keep imangining your dick such that I might price risk such that sucking it might be attactive you cunt.

11:16:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35400 @ 0.00099817 = 35.3352 BTC [+]

11:16:43 BingoBoingo: Here's a hint punkman1 niggers.txt exists,

11:17:57 BingoBoingo: davout: Back me up niggers.txt is a thing and not merely ehat happens you you eat a delicious shroomy pizza

11:19:15 BingoBoingo: MLK was a big fan of niggers.txt

11:20:17 pankkake: are you all intoxicated?

11:20:44 BingoBoingo: pankkake: What you need to aks is intoxicated me?

11:20:57 pankkake: okay

11:21:29 BingoBoingo: I am ready. I have been readyl I can handle leik all of the niggers.txt.

11:22:06 pankkake: I take your niggers.txt and challenge you with a porchmonkey.pdf

11:22:37 BingoBoingo: Pankkake you overplayed your hand there.

11:23:14 BingoBoingo: Only superniggers wnt to stay niggs like that forever

11:23:51 BingoBoingo: Also noone trusts .pdf

11:25:37 BingoBoingo: Such amaze... i made a niggers.txt that fronted slashdot.

11:26:16 BingoBoingo: Arre yall a bunch of fucking cosbies?

11:29:13 punkman1: veritable scholar

11:29:44 pankkake: and gentlenigger

11:29:52 pankkake: ;;ud cosbies

11:29:53 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cosby | A multi colored sweater. Stemming from the days of the Cosby show, in which the main character, Heathcliff Huxtable, played by Bill Cosby, constant...

11:29:57 punkman1: DO NOT ALLOW TO FALL INTO ENEMY HANDS

11:30:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.50499999 BTC [+]

11:30:23 BingoBoingo: pankkake: How do you know what shade o suncreen I use?

11:30:48 ozbot: Urban Dictionary: cosby

11:31:22 BingoBoingo: punkman1: FU stop having your peaps OD so much. Kinda kills my objections to lethat injection... or do you like that bitch

11:31:55 punkman1: WE GOT YOU TO READ THIS FAR AND NOW IT'S TOO LATE!

11:33:27 BingoBoingo: punkman1: Do you like the fact that either of use can roll enough [potassium choloride between our finders to kill an elepant and yet... Your friends are still the dieing est sumc of the wrld. Bitch.

11:34:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.50499999 BTC [+]

11:34:30 BingoBoingo: punkman1: I'm about to sleep nao, but the worst thing for you has to be... You can't te;ll if I am honest or troll.

11:35:50 BingoBoingo: punkman1: Dun worry if the sucking goes well I am sure kakobrekla will alert all of -assets. Won't make you any less of a bitch though fucker.

11:36:20 punkman1: a drug addicted astronaut in the midst of confronting the fact of his homosexuality

11:37:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20446 @ 0.00099901 = 20.4258 BTC [+]

11:54:37 Vexual: did someone say acres of oak @ 1k?

11:54:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36400 @ 0.00099972 = 36.3898 BTC [+] {3}

11:59:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3472 @ 0.00099817 = 3.4656 BTC [-]

12:01:08 Vexual: you could rent that to squirrels for some serious acorn

12:03:08 Vexual: or mill it and turn it into heirloom furniture

12:05:46 Vexual: durable goods had a different meaning 60 years ago

12:12:23 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaOC9danxNo

12:12:44 ozbot: Space Oddity - YouTube

12:18:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9565 @ 0.00099375 = 9.5052 BTC [-] {2}

12:19:06 Vexual: homo sapiens are fucking awesome

12:19:11 Vexual: .bait

12:19:49 ozbot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/036ce3056de364943be8add7b9e38379/tumblr_moeicrC7Fo1roy4qoo1_1280.jpg

12:21:59 pankkake: .bait

12:23:40 ozbot: http://25.media.tumblr.com/d8728ef5a8bfb7563e0b8dd013157d85/tumblr_mu4588mttR1r1dkzuo1_1280.jpg

12:24:23 Vexual: such ai

12:26:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24688 @ 0.00100075 = 24.7065 BTC [+] {2}

12:28:09 Vexual: regression http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNH57uvOcU8

12:32:48 Vexual: my last utebe video and my last bottle of vodka http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVMoxMAF6SA

12:39:26 mircea_popescu: .d

12:39:26 ozbot: 1789546951.05324 | Next Diff in 4 blocks | Estimated Change: 22.6935% in 0d 0h 28m 28s

12:40:12 deadweasel: ah, bitbets money spout prepares to explode!

12:40:29 mircea_popescu: i thought we were running off with it

12:40:48 deadweasel: if you beleive the comments you are

12:41:35 mircea_popescu: comments always know better than the people involved, i find.

12:41:36 deadweasel: I'd be happy with my 1% over time.

12:41:46 mircea_popescu: that's the staying power of the internet

12:42:03 deadweasel: I love that the first comment is what's his name butt-hurt, warning people not to use the site...

12:42:06 deadweasel: biggest bet ever!

12:42:20 deadweasel: *love* it, karmarific

12:42:33 deadweasel: what was his name anyway?

12:42:40 Vexual: i lied http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1oG4x2Y_HE

12:45:35 mircea_popescu: deadweasel kinda the risk of opening teh mouth and removing all doubt lol

12:46:11 mircea_popescu: deadweasel joe or sam or something 3 letter. iirc he was on various site comments going "o noes, this guy is a scammor, do not write about him, here's a btctalk link"

12:47:55 Vexual: in a 3d casino that cat would have skin off

12:49:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40500 @ 0.00100201 = 40.5814 BTC [+] {3}

12:50:30 Vexual: late money is a bad idea, whatever the outcome

12:50:55 mircea_popescu: somewhat depends on the implicit odds, generally. but this late, yeah it is.

12:54:54 Vexual: its a wll tested model for casinos and gentlemanly behaviour

12:55:13 Vexual: despite the odds

12:57:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.47873999 = 4.7874 BTC [-] {4}

13:00:05 Vexual: i can go to a holdem game where i might not get home with my notes even if i win

13:01:20 deadweasel: mircea_popescu: I'm pretty sure he improved your business, but I guess that's what they all do :)

13:03:11 mircea_popescu: management, you know ?

13:03:24 mircea_popescu: like sailing, exactly. you can go just fine either with or against either wind or current

13:03:42 mircea_popescu: just need to figure out where you're going and get a boat that'll float.

13:06:49 Vexual: so true

13:16:23 Vexual: and once you've learned to wait 13 hours or 28 days, you need big balls to go far

13:19:14 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GOyry34kaU skills and shit

13:19:14 ozbot: Matthew Curry Brotherhood of the Guitar - YouTube

13:22:22 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XKirCbflZU

13:22:22 ozbot: India Arie - Get It Together - YouTube

13:28:14 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_EyXPs2_Jk

13:28:14 ozbot: Monkey To Man - YouTube

13:34:34 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fY0oPg1h8fQ

13:34:34 ozbot: Jake Bugg - Lightning Bolt - Official Video - YouTube

13:38:50 mircea_popescu: .d

13:38:50 ozbot: 2193847870.17428 | Next Diff in 2015 blocks | Estimated Change: -99.9392% in 27d 23h 17m 37s

13:39:01 mircea_popescu: lol -99.93% wouldn't that make some people happy

13:39:13 mircea_popescu: ;;tslb

13:39:16 gribble: Time since last block: 10 minutes and 30 seconds

13:39:37 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOXBYb2YKHU scuzzi boss

13:39:37 ozbot: Busted Stuff: Dave Matthews Band - YouTube

13:40:06 Vexual: we must expoect negative diffiiculy estimates at some stage

13:41:51 Vexual: or ignore history

13:42:21 mircea_popescu: yeah, but apparently that stage is nowehre close

13:42:30 Vexual: defiine close

13:43:00 Vexual: 2 years things will look different

13:43:53 mircea_popescu: i don't see how it could possibly keep up this ~50% a month for two years.

13:44:11 mircea_popescu: ;;calc 1.2**52

13:44:21 mircea_popescu: herp.

13:45:27 mircea_popescu: 13104x, so it'd be 26 exahash or some shit.

13:46:37 mircea_popescu: who knows, maybe.

13:49:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 21 @ 0.02889523 = 0.6068 BTC [+] {3}

13:53:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 180 @ 0.04999998 = 9 BTC [+] {2}

13:53:49 mircea_popescu: kyle_torpey http://mensnewsdaily.com/2014/01/14/the-implications-of-crypto-assets-part-1-a-history-of-bitcoin-stock-exchanges/ that you ?

13:54:23 kyle_torpey: mircea_popescu, yes

13:54:39 mircea_popescu: aha. so what's this mensnewsdaily thing ? your blog ?

13:55:09 kyle_torpey: a guy started a website called newswax and paid me to write bitcoin articles for him

13:55:14 kyle_torpey: i think he also posts them on that site

13:55:18 mircea_popescu: aha

13:55:28 kyle_torpey: because its picked up by google news

13:55:54 mircea_popescu: "Men?s News Daily is the premier on-line publication for articles, news stories and opinion on world politics with a focus on men?s rights in western culture."

13:55:59 mircea_popescu: now that's a concept.

13:59:10 kyle_torpey: well men have been put down in western culture for so long, you figure they need their own rights movement

14:02:08 deadweasel: human rights should cover it. this separate but equal is bullshit.

14:02:24 deadweasel: although so much legal cruft makes us uniquely targeted in US.

14:02:50 deadweasel: we need to find a way to remove the conditioning of our men in the states. so warped.

14:02:57 deadweasel: women too, but less important.

14:04:25 kyle_torpey: deadweasel, i was joking

14:04:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 4 @ 0.02889522 = 0.1156 BTC [-]

14:05:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 690 @ 0.00425866 = 2.9385 BTC [+] {17}

14:06:51 mircea_popescu: deadweasel i really don't get what the problem is. so a buncha doods are pussy whipped

14:06:53 mircea_popescu: why is this bad ?

14:07:11 mircea_popescu: let the girls have fun, they're still your chattel.

14:33:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 4 @ 0.02889522 = 0.1156 BTC [-]

14:42:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.47015 = 1.8806 BTC [-] {3}

14:43:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.47 = 2.35 BTC [-] {2}

14:43:59 rattaTATI: MPoe hit. 001!

14:44:22 mircea_popescu: yest, yeah

14:44:51 rattaTATI: scams

14:46:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 973 @ 0.000901 = 0.8767 BTC [+]

14:46:52 rattaTATI: skimming logs, is Tiberius back as altkoin?

14:47:03 mircea_popescu: http://24.media.tumblr.com/164efa310cec91a84451386d1338413b/tumblr_mieobcxVL31s49lc7o1_1280.jpg

14:47:04 pankkake: kyle_torpey: http://yro.slashdot.org/story/14/01/24/0425256/court-says-craigslist-sperm-donor-must-pay-child-support

14:47:07 mircea_popescu: scamtits

14:47:56 mircea_popescu: pankkake lmao bum lesbians.

14:48:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1000 @ 0.00090199 = 0.902 BTC [+]

14:49:02 mircea_popescu: the parties' self-designation of (Marotta) as a sperm donor is insufficient to relieve (Marotta) of parental right and responsibilities to the child, << basically the fiat court is saying, yet again, that it does not matter what the parties decide, because the court is superior.

14:49:28 mircea_popescu: this stands in stark contrast to our doctrine, as there is absolutely no law above the law of the parties.

14:49:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 46 @ 0.00300016 = 0.138 BTC [-] {2}

14:49:45 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-01-2014#455873 etc

14:49:48 ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log

14:50:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 517 @ 0.003 = 1.551 BTC [-] {2}

14:51:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1000 @ 0.003 = 3 BTC [-]

14:53:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 97 @ 0.0029714 = 0.2882 BTC [-] {3}

14:58:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 25 @ 0.0045 = 0.1125 BTC [+] {2}

15:10:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 30 @ 0.0045 = 0.135 BTC [+]

15:11:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 9 @ 0.02889522 = 0.2601 BTC [-]

15:15:46 rattaTATI: haha I'm actually reading the premine details of this etherium thing

15:15:50 rattaTATI: such fail

15:16:21 rattaTATI: they want their million so bad

15:18:01 pankkake: why does everything has to be a coin?

15:18:21 Vexual: theres microscopes too, noone uses them

15:18:40 rattaTATI: cuz they must hazzadis their decentralization

15:18:55 Vexual: its the girl in the lab checking the motility of your sperm

15:18:56 rattaTATI: rather than offer an evil centralized service

15:20:21 pankkake: I'm sure you can have that stuff (at least in the same not-working state) without creating yet another currency

15:21:07 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nlpu7CezTQU

15:21:07 ozbot: Clare Bowditch - Bigger Than The Money - YouTube

15:24:41 rattaTATI: scam is apparrent in that etherium wanfts you to give them your bitcoins

15:25:34 rattaTATI: the irony of the launch asking for a bunch of bitcoins to make a better coin...

15:25:50 pankkake: lol, so many *coins doing that now

15:26:06 pankkake: IPOcoin

15:26:28 Vexual: cloudcoin cockcoin notcoin

15:26:28 jcpham: i have to force myself not to pay attention to bitcoin land

15:27:03 jcpham: alt coins just make me think this is all a big joke

15:28:48 Vexual: satoshi didnt make a stustless money system for every other turstless system to be called coin

15:29:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.04999999 = 0.5 BTC [+]

15:29:41 pankkake: at least we have a turtleless money system

15:29:52 Vexual: yes

15:30:14 Vexual: turtles are a pain in the arse'

15:31:12 nubbins`: hi

15:33:05 Vexual: hey mon

15:34:23 kakobrekla: hey mom

15:35:37 Vexual: hey, nom

15:35:53 nubbins`: h, money

15:36:08 Vexual: mmm, funny

15:38:41 Vexual: so piglet, u got honey or not?

15:40:13 nubbins`: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFRL7DXinGM

15:40:13 ozbot: Leonard Cohen - Hey, That's No Way To Say Goodbye / ISLE OF WIGHT 1970 - YouTube

15:40:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 20 @ 0.02889522 = 0.5779 BTC [-]

15:40:26 nubbins`: ^ watch and listen

15:41:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 896 @ 0.00462716 = 4.1459 BTC [-] {13}

15:41:41 Vexual: excellent ad

15:42:15 Vexual: top vid too

15:42:46 nubbins`: those ladies look high as shit

15:43:06 nubbins`: ~2:00

15:43:16 mircea_popescu: so basically the economy of bitcoin is, "get a bunch of noobs to give you a bunch of bitcents on various pretenses, go buy s.mpoe"

15:43:26 Vexual: 1 plant gets 15 years here

15:44:00 Vexual: i bought smidge for exposure to all the stupid shit, and thats what i got

15:44:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4700 @ 0.00099844 = 4.6927 BTC [-]

15:45:14 nubbins`: mircea_popescu: not true, some people don't go buy s.mpoe

15:45:27 nubbins`: vexual, 15 years for owning a plant

15:45:28 nubbins`: imagine

15:45:32 mircea_popescu: some people also don't make gem investments and shitty altcoin scams.

15:45:34 Vexual: yah

15:45:59 Vexual: viet vets shoot copters up north growing 303

15:46:19 nubbins`: on the upside, it seems like retailers accepting bitcoin has actually started to result in consumers spending bitcoin

15:46:28 Vexual: its half png half vietnam from 67

15:46:38 nubbins`: was it the humble indie bundle? or something? that said that like 1% of their sales came from btc after they started accepting it?

15:46:56 nubbins`: today you have tiger direct scooping up $0.25mn on day 1

15:47:26 mircea_popescu: indeed.

15:47:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 35 @ 0.00451699 = 0.1581 BTC [-] {2}

15:47:36 mircea_popescu: 1% of humble bundle is what, 500 bux ?

15:47:40 Vexual: so bitcoins like a thng for internet commerce then?

15:47:45 nubbins`: it was laughably paltry

15:47:57 nubbins`: Vexual, it would seem so

15:48:05 Vexual: thatsll nevr catch on

15:48:30 nubbins`: i think a lot of this volume is driven by the fact that the people spending it bought in at a lower price

15:48:30 Vexual: email? just fax me

15:48:40 nubbins`: nobody who bought btc at $900 is buying bedsheets at overstock.com

15:49:02 mircea_popescu: why not ?

15:49:04 nubbins`: but the plebs who bought at, say, $400 are spitting out btc at everyone who will take them

15:49:06 Vexual: that egyptian cotton gets good after you wash it

15:49:13 mircea_popescu: that's a theory.

15:49:14 nubbins`: mircea_popescu, they still view their btc as being too valuable to spend

15:49:20 mircea_popescu: i see what you eman

15:49:31 nubbins`: now take people who bought at <$100

15:49:38 jcpham: nubbins` i did a 17 item overstock spree for shits and giggles

15:49:48 nubbins`: "look at all this free money i have! let's spend it!"

15:49:49 jcpham: then i followed suit at amagi and waited to see who shipped faster

15:50:01 jcpham: overstock won, but only by a day

15:50:12 Vexual: yeah but you only got a tide watch

15:50:26 jcpham: now there's art on the walls

15:50:30 jcpham: go figure

15:50:31 Vexual: oooh

15:50:36 nubbins`: thumbs up

15:50:42 jcpham: overstock has some odd shit bro

15:50:45 Vexual: nod, tre cool

15:51:10 jcpham: jewelry too if you're looking for assets to wear

15:51:21 jcpham: in case you go to jail and need to pawn them

15:51:22 Vexual: i'd prefer a picasso

15:51:30 nubbins`: heh

15:51:36 nubbins`: casascius coins on gold chains

15:51:45 kakobrekla: kinds miss something overstock-like in yurop

15:51:52 jcpham: remember: if you are wearing it they cannot "seize" it

15:52:03 nubbins`: hm, is that so?

15:52:04 kakobrekla: anyway, if you sit on a mil or ten, might not be a good idea to spend a percent to make your life better.

15:52:12 jcpham: it's jewelry

15:52:13 kakobrekla: eh

15:52:17 kakobrekla: -not

15:52:26 pankkake: so there's a market for solid gold butt plug

15:52:27 jcpham: i agree with kakobrekla

15:52:43 Vexual: yeah in dubai, illeagl and gold is gold

15:53:04 nubbins`: i agree with pankkake

15:53:09 Vexual: nos

15:53:12 Vexual: d

15:53:20 mircea_popescu: i agree with butt plugs

15:53:23 jcpham: seems overstock would have gold butt plus

15:53:24 pankkake: yes!

15:53:27 kakobrekla: taht not such bad idea

15:53:29 jcpham: that seems like anoverstock'd item

15:53:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.02889526 = 0.1445 BTC [+]

15:53:39 mircea_popescu: ;;google stretcher anal plug solid gold

15:53:39 gribble: King's Body Jewelry, 18 gauge - 3 inch plugs, eyelets, organic ...: http://www.kingsbodyjewelry.com/1and14inch32mm.aspx; Body piercing materials - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_piercing_materials; Stretching (body piercing) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stretching_(body_piercing)

15:53:44 mircea_popescu: there

15:53:46 pankkake: by the way, the rosebud butt plug is a proud French invention

15:53:46 nubbins`: lel

15:53:54 nubbins`: that's a different type of stretching

15:54:04 kakobrekla: golden buttplug - its an ivnestment which you can amortize

15:54:10 mircea_popescu: ahahaha

15:54:14 mircea_popescu: pankkake whoddunit ?

15:54:29 nubbins`: duchamp ;p

15:54:59 mircea_popescu: "ONE PAIR of 316L Stainless Steel earlets that are internally threaded. These tunnels have a screw on back piece so that you can insert them without having to force a double flared plugs in your piercing. This makes it much easier for people that have a hard time fitting double flared plugs in, or also those that just have a freshly stretched piercing and want a plug that is easy to insert."

15:55:02 mircea_popescu: bejesus

15:55:06 mircea_popescu: what is it with people

15:55:18 pankkake: http://www.rosebuds.net/ but the website used to be much less "professional"

15:55:20 ozbot: Rosebuds : Plus qu'un sextoy, le rosebud est un bijou intime

15:55:32 pankkake: Julian Snelling

15:55:53 mircea_popescu: bijou intime lol

15:55:55 pankkake: http://www.rosebuds.net/fr/galerie.aspx is a remnant of the old website

15:55:56 ozbot: Rosebuds

15:57:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.02898999 = 0.2899 BTC [+]

15:57:40 Vexual: http://www.pablopicasso.org/images/paintings/the-weeping-woman.jpg 1937

15:58:43 nubbins`: heh

15:59:09 Vexual: its the depression and she srying becuase she can't afford a new hat

15:59:32 nubbins`: mircea_popescu: both of my earlobe piercings were stretched out to 18mm at one point

15:59:36 nubbins`: tiny again now tho

15:59:52 Vexual: is your slit pierced?

15:59:58 mircea_popescu: ^

16:00:05 nubbins`: anyway this buttplug talk brought me to this lelly article: http://thoughtcatalog.com/koty-neelis/2013/10/can-you-please-not-wear-your-butt-plug-to-dinner-thanks/

16:00:09 nubbins`: my slit!

16:00:11 nubbins`: heh

16:00:20 nubbins`: i don't wear jewelry in anything now

16:00:23 mircea_popescu: nubbins` o wait, these are for ears

16:00:26 mircea_popescu: not for butthole.

16:00:27 mircea_popescu: nm

16:00:28 nubbins`: nod

16:00:39 pankkake: I still have a weird bump due to my industrial piercing :(

16:00:44 nubbins`: steel-reinforced anus, what must you think of people!

16:00:58 Vexual: dont you guys ahve tailors?

16:01:19 nubbins`: sure, tony the tailor will add a zipper to anything

16:01:23 nubbins`: trang garments too

16:01:24 Vexual: lol

16:01:32 nubbins`: altho they mostly do salvation army uniforms

16:01:58 nubbins`: fun fact, i used to wear a steel retainer in my septum but accidentally swallowed it while eating pussy

16:02:15 Vexual: £bc

16:02:19 mircea_popescu: haha

16:02:47 nubbins`: spent several seconds trying to decide how to tell a loved one that a chunk of something just fell out of their pussy

16:02:51 nubbins`: before i realized what had happened

16:03:00 mircea_popescu: wow srsly ?

16:03:03 nubbins`: nod

16:03:07 nubbins`: felt it go down

16:03:07 mircea_popescu: "what the fuck have you been sticking up there!!1"

16:03:13 mircea_popescu: "i just swallowed a can"

16:04:22 nubbins`: although much smaller, the hole is still there. great party trick

16:06:09 Vexual: if you ask your tailor to put a button hole somewhere strange, he will tell you to come bacj when you are sober

16:06:42 mircea_popescu: my tailor would just be thankful i didn't want the butthole put on her.

16:06:52 Vexual: u have a woman?

16:07:01 mircea_popescu: aren't they all ?

16:07:21 Vexual: i talk to a man, i don't kno who sews it

16:07:38 mircea_popescu: i don't think i've ever seen not-a-woman tailor

16:07:56 mircea_popescu: it's like das or criminal pathologists. they're all womenz.

16:08:10 Vexual: perhaps i only talk to salesmen

16:08:11 punkman1: male tailors are like a british thing

16:08:20 nubbins`: tony the tailor!

16:08:23 mircea_popescu: (and strangely, nobody holds conferences about how theres no men in criminal pathology, either.

16:08:30 mircea_popescu: including the Criminal Pathology Today trade rag)

16:08:59 nubbins`: this reminds me that i need a pair of pants altered

16:09:26 Vexual: get it right, im not wearing underwear

16:10:26 Vexual: thats tantamount to sexual assualt if female tailor

16:10:48 mircea_popescu: no it's not

16:11:39 nubbins`: i generally don't wear the garment that requires altering when visiting the tailor

16:12:00 Vexual: well one probaby shoundt pop into see the tailor on freeballin days either way

16:12:30 nubbins`: one probably shouldn't get ball sweat all over one's pants

16:13:10 mircea_popescu: nubbins` "the very pants i was about to return!!1"

16:13:43 nubbins`: "sir, these pants smell of duck butter"

16:13:58 nubbins`: i don't need to be authed to ;;ud, do i?

16:14:01 nubbins`: ;;ud duck butter

16:14:02 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=duck%20butter | The combination of sweat from the ballsac and anus that creates a buttery film on the grundle and butthole. occuring usually from an unwashed scrot...

16:14:02 ozbot: Urban Dictionary: duck butter

16:14:16 Vexual: try these for sixe

16:14:19 Vexual: no

16:14:22 Vexual: why not

16:14:30 Vexual: coz im the fucking xustomer

16:14:35 nubbins`: i think i know what a grundle is, although it's a new word for me

16:14:55 nubbins`: ;;ud grundle

16:14:55 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=grundle | The prime piece of real estate located conveniently between Scrotumburg and Anusville.

16:14:56 ozbot: Urban Dictionary: grundle

16:14:57 nubbins`: HEH

16:15:13 Vexual: drop the crotch a few inches

16:15:38 Vexual: di eet!

16:15:55 nubbins`: "I hit the flush button and I feel the air from the VCHT (vacuum, collection, and holding tank) system pass over my grundle. That one full second of cool air down below is one of the few perks of the day and of the job."

16:16:25 Vexual: how often do newly tatood people tell their artist it looks shit?

16:16:47 mircea_popescu: 50% of the tme ?

16:17:02 Vexual: they think it, and never say it, ever

16:17:12 nubbins`: ^

16:17:37 nubbins`: i have a friend with a misspelled tattoo

16:18:01 nubbins`: your instead of you're

16:18:11 pankkake: oh god

16:18:16 Vexual: i bet she paid the full asking price too

16:18:22 nubbins`: he

16:18:23 NineBitByte: at least you can probably fix it (squeeze in 're somewhere)

16:18:34 nubbins`: nah, there was no room for fixing it

16:18:40 nubbins`: the script was really cramped

16:18:44 pankkake: that's a reason for suicide

16:18:45 nubbins`: he got it at the ripe old age of 14

16:18:50 pankkake: lol

16:18:55 mircea_popescu: a, it's a he

16:18:55 nubbins`: from the sort of shop that tattoos 14 year olds

16:18:59 mircea_popescu: who the fuck cares what his skin says.

16:19:05 mircea_popescu: if it were a woman it'd have been a problem

16:19:06 deadweasel: mircea_popescu: that's not the problem as I see it. coping mechanism as children become their de facto way of being "MEN"(careers, dads, husbands, tax-paying, nationalists, etc)... It happens so early nobody knows truly why they do anything.

16:19:09 nubbins`: well, he doesn't, is the thing

16:19:13 nubbins`: he's perfectly fine with it

16:19:47 nubbins`: deadweasel, that's the problem with becoming a dad/husband too early

16:19:57 nubbins`: the fuck does a 20 year old know about life?

16:20:00 Vexual: if you dont like it, we can shoot you with a laser and burn it off

16:20:03 deadweasel: i agree nubbins`

16:20:08 nubbins`: what wisdom can he possibly impart upon his offspring?

16:20:16 mircea_popescu: deadweasel "nobody"

16:20:18 nubbins`: aside from "don't follow in my footsteps"

16:20:26 deadweasel: even if he had it, does he have a way of imparting it? not if he ascribes to his own conditioning.

16:20:28 nubbins`: which the kid could figure out on his own, over time

16:20:50 mircea_popescu: right-o. so ideally 14 to 16 yo womens marry 30 to 50 yo men ?

16:20:50 nubbins`: Vexual: then you have a lovely scar in the shape of a misspelled word

16:21:02 mircea_popescu: yet another reason why teh arab world will buttrape the us.

16:21:07 nubbins`: mircea_popescu, if you get married before 30 you're cracked

16:21:09 mircea_popescu: they're doing exactly this.

16:21:20 deadweasel: nubbins`: +1

16:21:29 mircea_popescu: nubbins` as a woman ?!

16:21:37 Vexual: milky

16:21:38 nubbins`: as a man

16:21:45 mircea_popescu: myeah.

16:21:47 nubbins`: can't speak to the female experience

16:21:57 deadweasel: then the whole comedy restarts, with no gain in knowledge/wisdom etc... used to be passed down. now internet.

16:22:06 nubbins`: ^

16:22:14 mircea_popescu: no gain ? ample loss.

16:22:22 deadweasel: yup

16:22:27 mircea_popescu: people have somehow forgotten - over a generation - that if you can't afford disposable diapers

16:22:31 mircea_popescu: YOU CAN STILL USE THE OLD STYLE

16:22:32 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fQYZ67GOEs

16:22:32 ozbot: eminem - Kill you with lyrics - YouTube

16:22:34 nubbins`: ^^

16:22:41 nubbins`: i was raised on cloth diapers

16:22:47 deadweasel: i'm wearing one right now

16:22:49 deadweasel: :P

16:22:50 mircea_popescu: lol

16:22:51 deadweasel: jokes

16:22:53 Vexual: nice double ^

16:22:57 nubbins`: this is symptomatic of a wider "old is bad, new is good" belief

16:23:04 deadweasel: it's insane

16:23:18 mircea_popescu: nubbins` which is fine, but then... cabby i know, can barely make his car payments, made 100 yest

16:23:21 mircea_popescu: spent 70 on pampers.

16:23:24 mircea_popescu: woman doesn't work.

16:23:32 mircea_popescu: im like what the fuck is wrong with you you retarded boi!

16:23:55 Vexual: put it in a home

16:24:11 nubbins`: it's only in the past couple generations, AFAICT, that this severing of traditions/knowledge-sharing has really ramped up

16:24:20 mircea_popescu: missy precious can wash the diapers. by hand. in cold water. in the front of the house, naked.

16:24:28 mircea_popescu: so all the neighbours can see how poor and abject she is.

16:24:35 mircea_popescu: he'll have a much better life after a week or two of this.

16:24:42 Vexual: do photograph that with nice lighting

16:25:03 nubbins`: the book "ishmael" covers this topic at length

16:25:29 deadweasel: aw yes! book helped me realize I wasn't insane at a young age

16:25:30 mircea_popescu: omfg these book things keep stealing my banal ideas before i even say them

16:25:32 deadweasel: it was everyone else

16:25:36 nubbins`: heheh

16:25:42 mircea_popescu: BURN ALL THE BOOKS

16:25:43 nubbins`: mircea_popescu: daniel quinn, worth a read

16:25:44 deadweasel: lol

16:25:45 mircea_popescu: o wait.

16:25:58 mircea_popescu: IN ORDER TO BETTER PRESERVE TRADITION, BURN ALL THE BOOKS!

16:26:11 kakobrekla: i hate tradition.

16:26:23 mircea_popescu: ;;google fiddler on the roof, "tradition, tradition" scene

16:26:24 gribble: Fiddler on the roof - Tradition ( with subtitles ) - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRdfX7ut8gw; Opening Title(Instrumental half of Tradition)- Fiddler on the Roof film ...: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD_hAujgt0A; Fiddler On The Roof -- (Movie Clip) Open, Tradition: http://www.tcm.com/mediaroom/video/291506/Fiddler-On-The-Roof-Movie-Clip-Open-Tradition.html

16:26:37 mircea_popescu: whoa, google works if you talk to it as if it were a human being.

16:27:52 Vexual: then it serves you ads

16:29:10 Vexual: i search for goa and tomato so much i get ads about eggs

16:29:15 nubbins`: "serves" isn't the right word

16:29:22 Vexual: *goat

16:29:52 deadweasel: ;;google goat eating a tomatoe in his lambo

16:29:53 gribble: Summergrove Estate – PACKAGES: http://www.summergrove.com.au/packages/; Fast food recipes: Tomato and goat's cheese tart | Mail Online: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/food/article-2037766/Fast-food-recipes-Tomato-goats-cheese-tart.html; eat & drink - Cucina: http://eatcucina.com/website/page/bistroeatanddrink

16:29:56 deadweasel: tomato*

16:29:57 Vexual: nubs how to clean a fowl? one of my pullets is rooster and wakes me too earyl

16:30:26 nubbins`: THE PAPA *chop chop*

16:30:29 deadweasel: slit zee throat, bleed it, pluck, wash, cook.

16:30:33 deadweasel: nom nom nom

16:30:37 Vexual: thought so

16:30:45 nubbins`: who the fuck taught those women to knead dough?

16:31:01 nubbins`: it's not a stepchild, you don't just punch it into submission

16:31:01 deadweasel: All american women NEED Dough$

16:31:10 Vexual: im like that romainian girl that bakes bread for the first time and gets it so right that it should be illegal

16:31:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.004625 = 0.1388 BTC [+]

16:31:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 359 @ 0.0004798 = 0.1722 BTC [+]

16:31:13 deadweasel: lol, nubbins`

16:31:45 nubbins`: Vexual, i know a guy in st pierre who worked at a chicken factory

16:31:58 nubbins`: he said step 1 was to grab a chicken

16:32:03 nubbins`: and the rest just followed

16:32:11 deadweasel: i like those instructions better

16:32:17 deadweasel: grab chicken, progress to food.

16:32:37 Vexual: i could cook it like kangaroo tail

16:32:43 nubbins`: heh

16:32:58 nubbins`: i have to say that i've come very close to mastering the art of sourdough bread

16:32:59 Vexual: guts in, burn on charcoal until untasty bits are gone

16:33:22 Vexual: got a good rise happening?

16:33:25 nubbins`: yeah

16:33:30 nubbins`: took me almost a year to figure it out

16:33:53 Vexual: did your culture just get better?

16:34:13 nubbins`: the flavors generally do get better over time, but it's actually the method that i changed

16:34:34 nubbins`: now i pre-invigorate by mixing the starter, sugar, and warm water

16:34:47 nubbins`: let that sit for 30 minutes in a warm place, and THEN add flour+salt

16:34:51 Vexual: do tell, i always get flat sourdough, and my fridge has all kinds of shit gowing in it

16:35:16 nubbins`: idea is that the yeast cells are very active by the time the flour is added

16:35:26 Vexual: nod

16:35:27 nubbins`: and all dispersed through the water, which gives an even distribution

16:35:32 nubbins`: throughout the dough

16:35:39 nubbins`: with minimal kneading necessary

16:36:06 Vexual: dont knead too much and cook hot?

16:36:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.04999999 = 0.25 BTC [+]

16:36:17 nubbins`: i bake at 425 for 15 minutes

16:36:25 nubbins`: from what i understand, this is both fast and cool

16:36:53 Vexual: ever tried damper?

16:36:56 nubbins`: i think a lot of it depends on the specific set of yeasts and bacterias that your starter ends up consisting of

16:37:25 nubbins`: damper, hmm, no

16:37:59 Vexual: its australian bush bread, doughy and eaten with butter

16:38:03 nubbins`: wow, so it's actually covered in ash?

16:38:12 Vexual: yah real shit is

16:38:20 nubbins`: interesting

16:38:32 mircea_popescu: <nubbins`> it's not a stepchild, you don't just punch it into submission <<< ahaha

16:38:33 Vexual: ands its as good as currency, it trades for tobacco and shit

16:38:35 mircea_popescu: they're actors.

16:38:37 nubbins`: "traditional" bread here is hard tack

16:39:01 nubbins`: must be boiled before consuming unless you have teeth of steel

16:39:22 nubbins`: mircea_popescu: good thing, because they can't bake for shit

16:41:21 nubbins`: oh, i was on the news last night

16:41:35 nubbins`: http://imgur.com/6qwxnQ7

16:41:36 mircea_popescu: baking ?!

16:41:57 ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer

16:42:07 nubbins`: sharing my thoughts on the resignation of our premier

16:42:08 mircea_popescu: hey, you look lik ea person and everything

16:42:16 nubbins`: yeah, they caught my good side

16:42:50 mircea_popescu: i wonder what the "x has been on the news" concentration is here as opposed to internet average

16:42:52 Vexual: wheres the beard?

16:43:06 mircea_popescu: i mean kako is prolly on the news weekly as the only somalian with an internet connection...

16:43:07 nubbins`: vexual, shaved it for a court appearance some months ago

16:43:14 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmFnarFSj_U

16:43:27 mircea_popescu: nubbins` they have that us law that bearded people are to be sent to jail there too ?!

16:43:33 pankkake: "All things considered, I'd say we did a pretty good job of preserving purchasing power in the rise from $100 to $1000 BTC. During that time we went from about 0.032/share to 0.0034/share."

16:43:47 mircea_popescu: bnwajaja

16:43:51 nubbins`: mircea_popescu: civil case, not criminal ;)

16:43:57 ozbot: THE BEARDS - If Your Dad Doesn't Have a Beard, You've Got Two Mums (Official Film Clip) - YouTube

16:43:58 mircea_popescu: who is that pankkake ?

16:44:04 kakobrekla: NEO

16:44:06 kakobrekla: i bet.

16:44:06 nubbins`: Vexual: great video

16:44:14 Vexual: :)

16:44:20 pankkake: kakobrekla: too soon for neo

16:44:30 pankkake: it's not hard to guess

16:44:35 kakobrekla: oh i missed? dayum

16:44:38 mircea_popescu: pretty good job of "preserving buying power" ?!

16:44:57 mircea_popescu: this is a redefinition of an inexistent problem, it's like "we did a pretty good job of not gruesomely murdering our customers"

16:45:07 mircea_popescu: "they only get food poisoning like half the time, tops, and it's rarely fatal"

16:45:15 kakobrekla: who is it then?

16:45:34 mircea_popescu: "a woman and her daughter had been eating here for even like two weeks each day. well... 10 days"

16:46:51 pankkake: it's https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=430454.0

16:47:13 kakobrekla: that thing lives?

16:47:30 nubbins`: "lives"

16:47:48 nubbins`: actually, that civil case is still dragging out

16:47:54 nubbins`: was filing papers yesterday

16:48:10 nubbins`: deadbeats, take heed: i will be made whole!

16:48:46 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXRqH0EBRks

16:48:46 ozbot: Cheech And Chong- Trippin in court - YouTube

16:49:10 Vexual: thats arlo guthrie on the intro

16:52:16 Vexual: https://www.morrisonhotelgallery.com/images/medium/ArloGuthrie_Motorcycle11x14796.jpg

16:52:16 assbot: 123!

16:53:26 nubbins`: http://drhguy.com/2013/07/04/leonard-cohen-arlo-guthrie-1967-newport-festival/

16:53:28 ozbot: Leonard Cohen & Arlo Guthrie – 1967 Newport Festival | DrHGuy - Another Other Leonard Cohen Site

16:53:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1000 @ 0.0009049 = 0.9049 BTC [+]

16:54:05 Vexual: ever seen folk uke?

16:54:20 Vexual: arlo and willies daughters have a band

16:54:22 Duffer1: "We have about 5 bitcoins left sitting in a wallet which I will probably use to buy the new butterfly labs hardware" < ಠ_ಠ

16:54:48 Vexual: alt 253

16:56:06 nubbins`: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

16:56:11 nubbins`: duffer

16:56:13 nubbins`: my sides

16:56:31 nubbins`: "we have about one teaspoon of peanut butter left which i will probably inject into my penis"

16:56:52 nubbins`: ^ a member of the donner party

16:57:07 nubbins`: aaaaah i'm dying here

16:57:11 nubbins`: lel

16:57:17 Duffer1: i don't even...

16:57:33 Vexual: me too, i spent my last 5 on bfl

16:57:45 Duffer1: :(

16:57:58 nubbins`: "what should we do with our last 5btc?" " i know! let's turn it into 2btc!"

16:58:08 nubbins`: handshakes and back-pats

16:58:36 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cqg3kcwAgso

16:58:36 ozbot: Melanie Safka - Look What They've Done To My Song Ma - YouTube

16:59:36 nubbins`: ;;bc,xay

16:59:36 gribble: Error: "bc,xay" is not a valid command.

16:59:38 nubbins`: er

16:59:40 nubbins`: ;;bc,xau

16:59:41 gribble: 1 XAU = 1241.700000000000 USD = 1.35378677613 BTC

17:00:36 mircea_popescu: lawl usagi

17:01:16 nubbins`: http://e1.static.hoptopboy.com/11793/21029/114797/11793B/image114797.gif

17:01:22 mircea_popescu: <nubbins`> "what should we do with our last 5btc?" " i know! let's turn it into 2btc!" <<< gotta preserve that lol power parity...

17:01:27 nubbins`: the pirate bay always has interesting banner ads

17:01:44 Vexual: such canadian

17:01:50 nubbins`: mircea_popescu: the other 3btc was directly converted to lels

17:02:23 Duffer1: i can't stop staring

17:02:34 nubbins`: Vexual: the implication is that the girl needs to use a website to find people to fuck

17:02:43 mircea_popescu: me @piratebay "hey, give me your adspace" piratebay @me "if you would like to advertise pls talk to whatever random dorks we are using to mismanage our only source of revenue"

17:02:54 mircea_popescu: me @piratebay "no, you don't understand. i don't talk to dorks. smarten up"

17:03:10 mircea_popescu: this was a month or so ago. apparently it takes them longer than a month to figure the money angle out.

17:03:12 mircea_popescu: kids today.

17:03:19 nubbins`: who's even running tpb now?

17:03:30 nubbins`: that bearded fella is still in jail

17:03:48 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRZdEqpTmD4

17:03:49 ozbot: Lee Perry - Super Ape - YouTube

17:03:53 mircea_popescu: mwanwhile "Dow industrials down 200 as stocks? slide steepens" and "jpm dimon thinks he has something to say on bitcoin".

17:04:09 Vexual: wheres the gold and why no mill the oak?

17:04:11 mircea_popescu: ppl be having intellectual retardation issues.

17:04:23 nubbins`: dimon, lel

17:04:52 nubbins`: he's like those anti-railroad people who claimed that the human body wasn't designed to handle such speeds

17:05:13 Apocalyptic: <mircea_popescu> ppl be having intellectual retardation issues. <<

17:05:25 Vexual: bash it

17:05:38 nubbins`: "your body will explode! take a horse and carriage, both of which i incidentally sell/rent!"

17:06:16 nubbins`: ;;ticker --last

17:06:17 gribble: 919.01

17:07:13 Vexual: stick with island

17:10:28 rattaTATpow: CNN top story: "Should pregnant woman stay on respirator? Husband says she is 'empty shell' "

17:10:41 rattaTATpow: well is she pregnant or empty?

17:10:46 Vexual: then shes not pregnant

17:11:18 rattaTATpow: sounds like the start of a good child horror movie

17:11:37 rattaTATpow: kid comes out a zombified serial killer

17:11:57 Vexual: nah, very autistic with mental powers

17:12:18 rattaTATpow: dad wants to bury her

17:12:20 nubbins`: Should premature baby be kept alive in incubator? Husband says it is 'empty plastic box'

17:12:58 Vexual: yeah i dont know how much say hubby has when its a new child

17:12:59 nubbins`: Should pregnant woman stay on respirator? Husband says 'I never wanted the fuckin thing'

17:13:25 nubbins`: Should pregnant woman stay on respirator? Husband says 'This will severely limit my ability to get new pussy'

17:13:27 rattaTATpow: "Why brain dead means really dead" sub headline

17:13:37 rattaTATpow: sounds like a premise for a mp article

17:14:43 Vexual: sounds lie a premise for an md article

17:14:52 nubbins`: The family's attorneys more recently said that Marlise's fetus "is distinctly abnormal," suffering from hydrocephalus and "deformed to the extent that the gender cannot be determined."

17:14:55 nubbins`: ah, well then

17:15:18 nubbins`: good thing they waited til halfway through the article to drop that

17:15:37 nubbins`: bbl, installing shelves

17:20:04 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scOAUt3Q0M8

17:20:05 ozbot: Amy Winehouse Audition - YouTube

17:22:49 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENro5DxEX98

17:22:50 ozbot: Black Grape - Dadi Was A Badi (Live) - YouTube

17:25:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 56 @ 0.004625 = 0.259 BTC [+]

17:27:35 mircea_popescu: <nubbins`> good thing they waited til halfway through the article to drop that << see, this is why it doesn't sound like a mp article.

17:29:34 Vexual: straight ragin from the get go huh mp?

17:30:05 mircea_popescu: well certainly not manufactured "here's some banal shit let me keep quiet about salient points maybe you read through"

17:30:21 Vexual: nah more like cop this

17:31:56 Vexual: wrong hole? bad lcuk

17:33:00 Vexual: etymology and shit

17:33:56 deadweasel: oh fail: http://usvsth3m.com/post/74285062011/you-wont-believe-why-the-victoria-line-is-currently

17:34:52 Duffer1: i heard cement may be bad for electronics, but i'm skeptical

17:35:24 Vexual: its caustic

17:38:22 Vexual: tswhy onw tins plugs

17:40:03 the20year: wow

17:40:32 Vexual: did you just compare the sg of concrete to seawater?

17:49:31 deadweasel: oh, interesting:

17:49:31 deadweasel: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/10594718/Why-sugar-helped-remove-Victoria-Line-concrete-flood.html

17:49:32 ozbot: Why sugar helped remove Victoria Line concrete flood - Telegraph

17:49:53 Vexual: sugar retards setting

17:50:35 Vexual: piss speeds it up but its hardly ever required

17:51:41 deadweasel: sugar retards people too.

17:52:12 Vexual: ug fucking paleo bullshit

17:52:16 deadweasel: i'd like to pee on my coworkers, see if it speeds them up, so I don't have to test 3 weeks work of code in 3 days.

17:52:26 deadweasel: s/work/worth

17:52:43 Vexual: so unscience

17:52:52 deadweasel: Vexual, if you lyme disease, and eat sugar, you're gonna have a bad time.

17:53:01 deadweasel: source: science

17:53:07 Vexual: u have lyme disease?

17:53:14 deadweasel: unfuckingfortunately

17:53:22 deadweasel: i'm not quite sure if it's chronic yet

17:53:35 deadweasel: 2 months ABX knocked it out,but there is no way to know if it's for good

17:53:52 deadweasel: fucking cyst form of lyme is the body ninja, no drug can really find it all.

17:54:06 Vexual: tried jesus heb?

17:54:06 pankkake: if you are human and eat sugar you're gonna have a bad time

17:54:15 deadweasel: looking into bacteriophage from Tblisi

17:54:21 deadweasel: praying? no.

17:54:39 Vexual: seriously, have you friend moroccan kif?

17:54:58 deadweasel: not moroccan, it's grown in my spare room.

17:55:04 mircea_popescu: https://blockchain.info/tx/b94eaf3c16ad7dd35ea3b9e11a70cf9172adf4898c9b4db90761ef4ba327e777

17:55:05 ozbot: Bitcoin Transaction b94eaf3c16ad7dd35ea3b9e11a70cf9172adf4898c9b4db90761ef4ba327e777

17:55:10 mircea_popescu: Estimated BTC Transacted 0.00144397 BTC

17:55:11 mircea_popescu: right on.

17:55:21 Vexual: so block

17:55:48 pankkake: fuck blockchain.info showing me dollars by default

17:56:19 mircea_popescu: ^

17:56:40 Vexual: just click the green box, didn't you read the bible

17:56:55 mircea_popescu: idiots using dollars should have to doi an extra click.

17:56:56 pankkake: yeah, but now I have to click it every time

17:57:00 mircea_popescu: not the fucking other way around

17:57:45 Vexual: if blockchain.info break, how mych other stuuf breaks?

17:57:45 NineBitByte: agreed.

17:58:03 NineBitByte: uh, everything using blockchain.info's API and their wallet site/apps

17:58:26 NineBitByte: blockchain.info =/= bitcoin's blockchain

17:58:43 pankkake: especially since blockchain.info has been behind a few times already

17:58:56 mircea_popescu: well, bitbet doesn't.

17:59:08 mircea_popescu: so... "everything [that doesn't matter]"

17:59:20 kakobrekla: use blockr.io

18:00:06 kakobrekla: but if you wouldnt have adblock enabled on bitbet you would already know that.

18:00:11 Vexual: you learn soemthing new everyday

18:00:46 pankkake: blockr.io sucks

18:01:02 Vexual: yeah imma drink two vodkas and forget that

18:01:03 kakobrekla: your vacuum cleaner sucks

18:01:04 pankkake: lol now after litecoin they had "digitalcoin"

18:01:08 NineBitByte: haha

18:01:15 kakobrekla: its their revenue model

18:01:22 pankkake: add*

18:01:29 pankkake: my vacuum cleaner isn't sucking as well as it used to :(

18:01:35 kakobrekla: altchainers pay to get added here

18:01:39 pankkake: hahaha

18:01:43 pankkake: smart

18:01:55 deadweasel: pankkake: remove your cock from the intake. worked for me.

18:02:20 Vexual: having trouble breathing deadweasel?

18:02:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 8000 @ 0.00008505 = 0.6804 BTC [-]

18:02:44 deadweasel: yes, but I have oxygen max on my genitals now, much better.

18:03:05 Vexual: if your membrum is bubbling, it might be gonorreah

18:03:19 deadweasel: it was when I was 17, dirty slag.

18:03:37 deadweasel: course your best friend's brothers fuck buddy was probably a poor choice.

18:03:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.00008505 = 0.1701 BTC [-]

18:03:55 deadweasel: wait no, it was the clap

18:03:58 deadweasel: it burned

18:04:01 deadweasel: so burning

18:04:18 deadweasel: much discharge << no you can't unread that.

18:05:46 deadweasel: no i can't unsend it, either.

18:06:23 Vexual: nnone gives a fuck if you had gonorreah

18:06:54 deadweasel: i realize too late, most things.

18:06:58 deadweasel: deal with it

18:07:07 deadweasel: ,/ignore is good

18:07:32 jcpham: shitty baby vagina

18:08:48 jcpham: no, that doesn't sound like fun at all, does it?

18:10:01 Vexual: if doctor greg mulhausen had gonorreah hed reduce his management fee by half

18:11:52 Vexual: he is very professional like that

18:12:57 Vexual: noot very wall street tho, go figure

18:13:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.02897998 = 0.1449 BTC [-]

18:15:28 pankkake: how can you be wall street?

18:15:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 500 @ 0.00048 = 0.24 BTC [+]

18:16:07 cads: hey mircea_popescu, I think one of your wishes is coming true: https://proofmarket.org/problem

18:16:15 Vexual: just strutting, and droppying the lingo

18:16:52 cads: mircea_popescu: it's a bounty market for mathematical proofs as formalized in either the coq or agda computer proof systems.

18:16:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 250 @ 0.00048 = 0.12 BTC [+]

18:17:06 Vexual: and yuo complain when bitcoin tools dont match expectations, then yuo do it again

18:17:24 nubbins`: hmm

18:17:38 mircea_popescu: cads i think asciilifeform was wishing a similar thing

18:17:42 nubbins`: Vexual, my last name is a homonym of "kif"

18:17:56 nubbins`: all of the hostel owners i met in morocco found this endlessly entertaining

18:18:00 Vexual: nubbin bubble?

18:18:07 nubbins`: "last name?" "keefe" "ah, should i call police?"

18:18:22 nubbins`: "plz no"

18:18:25 Vexual: ah cool

18:18:55 nubbins`: then canada customs has the audacity to search me upon return

18:19:09 nubbins`: as if i'd go to another country to buy cannabis and then bring it back to canada

18:19:18 nubbins`: that's like leaving russia to smuggle home vodka

18:19:27 Vexual: thats why i carry my pasport in my rectum, sves time

18:19:39 nubbins`: TBF i saw the search coming as soon as i stared talking to the agent

18:19:44 nubbins`: "so where are you coming from?"

18:19:46 nubbins`: "london"

18:19:50 nubbins`: "how long were you there?"

18:20:05 nubbins`: "just a day. i was in morocco for a week before that, and before THAT, i was in london for about 12 hours"

18:20:08 Vexual: we got rfid passports now, so i dont even need to take it out

18:20:12 nubbins`: "just so i get this straight..."

18:20:41 Vexual: heathrow marakesh heathrow

18:21:07 Vexual: i collect spams

18:21:09 nubbins`: technically i flew from Luton to Marrakesh

18:21:13 Vexual: *stamps

18:21:23 Vexual: ah pov airways

18:21:28 kakobrekla: blow stamps?

18:21:29 nubbins`: but i did go canada-uk via heathrow

18:21:46 kakobrekla: i collect those too.

18:22:29 nubbins`: anyway, marrakesh has passable hash

18:22:39 deadweasel: pass it to me

18:22:44 nubbins`: it's pretty heavy on the heat tho

18:22:44 Vexual: varanasi is stae of the art

18:22:56 nubbins`: hard to walk 10 feet without someone whispering "hashish" to you

18:23:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 600 @ 0.00090495 = 0.543 BTC [+]

18:24:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1900 @ 0.00008749 = 0.1662 BTC [+] {2}

18:24:19 nubbins`: any of you been to berlin?

18:24:39 kakobrekla: some years ago

18:25:45 nubbins`: planning to visit this summer

18:26:04 assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 1200 @ 0.0016745 = 2.0094 BTC [-]

18:26:25 Vexual: hand rubbed from tall slender plnts at 4000 mteres

18:27:09 Vexual: buy a nice chillum and get a big lungful first time you try

18:27:50 nubbins`: you assumed that i don't own a nice chillum? ;(

18:27:55 kakobrekla: id stop by room77 if id go.

18:28:16 nubbins`: "warm beer, cold women and fast food made slow"?

18:28:20 Vexual: i asumed you're not taking it on the jumbo

18:28:23 kakobrekla: mhm

18:28:48 kakobrekla: gotta love their site :)

18:28:51 Vexual: if you buy a beer in india they put it under the table

18:29:06 Vexual: but they will ahnd you a chillum

18:29:19 nubbins`: kako, i'm enjoying it now

18:30:20 Vexual: and whisky dens ar efun

18:31:33 Vexual: strange men come and skull a half while i slowly sip two full bottles

18:31:44 Vexual: they bring e food

18:32:38 Vexual: vegetarians bringing every meat they can find to sole the puzzle

18:33:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.00308802 = 1.544 BTC [+] {6}

18:39:36 Vexual: they serve the mathanol and i never ask of the lavatory

18:41:39 Vexual: tolah?

18:41:43 Vexual: yes please

18:42:13 Vexual: hoi

18:42:27 NGB_: hi all

18:43:54 Vexual: hey kgb

18:44:07 NGB_: http://tip4commit.com donate for your preffered pen source projects

18:44:28 nubbins`: uh

18:44:34 nubbins`: will not visit

18:44:45 Vexual: hey ngb, i was teling a sorty about how i gave half of mubai disentry

18:45:15 mircea_popescu: redditards heard of irc, think it's reddit.

18:45:54 Vexual: cant sell 10 tons of teak on reddit

18:45:56 jurov: iirc there was a foyer channel

18:46:07 jurov: but dounni if it ever work as intended

18:46:11 jurov: *dunno

18:48:07 jurov: ;;ticker

18:48:08 gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 928.0, Best ask: 928.9198, Bid-ask spread: 0.91980, Last trade: 929.0, 24 hour volume: 5283.89219216, 24 hour low: 903.4, 24 hour high: 955.0, 24 hour vwap: 922.64796

18:48:08 assbot: 123!

18:48:26 jurov: sooo, my x.eur shorting play ops are almost concluded, it can go up now

18:48:53 Apocalyptic: Dimon gets rewarded for his btc non-sense

18:48:56 Apocalyptic: J.P. Morgan to Raise Dimon's Pay to $20 Million

18:49:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5550 @ 0.00099944 = 5.5469 BTC [+]

18:50:06 nubbins`: $20 million

18:51:01 mircea_popescu: lol

18:51:26 mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic o looky, he makes in a year almost what i made a month in 2013.

18:51:30 mircea_popescu: congrats to the fiats!

18:52:53 nubbins`: offer him a job

18:53:07 nubbins`: he obviously doesn't mind degrading himself for money

18:54:49 mircea_popescu: what am i going to do with a decrepit old man with no skills ?

18:54:59 Vexual: dashcam

18:55:34 Apocalyptic: Hearn & Dimon hot webcam : tonight's special

18:55:56 nubbins`: mircea_popescu, dunno, use him as a coffee table

18:55:58 nubbins`: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=317651.msg4713737#msg4713737

18:56:00 ozbot: [CLOSED] Friedcat t-shirt group buy #3

18:56:05 nubbins`: can someone explain to me what that image means?

18:56:11 mircea_popescu: pretty much the only people who'd watch that would be redditors linking the "bitbet r scam" thread

18:56:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21700 @ 0.00099715 = 21.6382 BTC [-] {2}

18:57:06 rattaTATpow: i know it

18:57:13 rattaTATpow: richard sherman of the seahawks

18:57:15 rattaTATpow: is #25

18:57:24 kakobrekla: shttp://www.entrepreneur.com/article/231033

18:57:28 rattaTATpow: he's the smart black guy actin not smart

18:57:31 kakobrekla: http://www.entrepreneur.com/article/231033

18:57:31 ozbot: These Angel Investors Want to Make Bitcoin 'Sexy' for Average People | Entrepreneur.com

18:57:38 Apocalyptic: In the meeting, which took place in the offices of Manhattan U.S. Attorney Preet Bharara, one member of Mr. Bharara's team asked why certain people within J.P. Morgan's were still working at the bank despite failures to adequately investigate suspicions about Mr. Madoff.

18:57:38 Apocalyptic: Mr. Dimon, according to these people, said the bank removes people for incompetence but noted that wasn't the case here. "If you want me to fire them," he added, "give me their names and I will fire them."

18:57:38 rattaTATpow: after shutting down the 49ers

18:57:40 nubbins`: ah

18:57:47 nubbins`: i don't follow hand-egg, this is all lost on me

18:57:54 rattaTATpow: i dont either

18:57:54 Vexual: nubbins' looks like a king in scribblenaughts :)

18:58:01 rattaTATpow: i happened to watch 5min of the gam

18:58:02 rattaTATpow: e

18:58:23 rattaTATpow: the guys is pretty cool actually

18:58:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21002 @ 0.00100134 = 21.0301 BTC [+] {4}

18:59:28 nubbins`: Vexual, that's lifted from a rejected Eulora splash screen :P

18:59:33 rattaTATpow: sherman "A lion doesn't concern himself with the opinions of a sheep."

19:01:25 pankkake: lol hand-egg

19:02:03 kakobrekla: you cannot stop the clouds by the building of a ship

19:03:03 kakobrekla: basically same thing as psi laju karavani prolaze

19:03:06 nubbins`: http://i1.minus.com/jbavqfOHKNASMY.png

19:03:12 nubbins`: not really sure why it didn't get picked.

19:08:15 nubbins`: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jskq3-lpQnE

19:08:16 ozbot: Richard Stallman Freaks Out and Has a Meltdown - YouTube

19:08:34 nubbins`: what a strange man

19:08:45 mircea_popescu: again ?

19:09:01 pankkake: no that's the same one

19:09:40 nubbins`: yeah that's from 2012 i think

19:09:47 nubbins`: just came across it agin

19:09:50 nubbins`: *again

19:10:44 nubbins`: i attended a talk by Rolf Heuer from CERN a while back, was slightly disappointed to not see him freak out

19:10:53 nubbins`: i guess the beard just started my wishful thinking

19:11:02 pankkake: http://youtu.be/9sJUDx7iEJw here's a better side of RMS

19:11:02 ozbot: Richard Stallman Free software Song - YouTube

19:12:16 nubbins`: pankkake: http://i.imgur.com/Vi68QxH.png

19:12:24 nubbins`: replace the B with a FSF logo and that's essentially him

19:12:37 pankkake: lol

19:13:20 nubbins`: a fat bearded wild-man slapping a laptop and chanting "join us" to a bunch of ecuadorians

19:13:28 nubbins`: i don't even

19:16:58 simlay: I saw rms at uc berkeley a couple months back. He didn't wear shoes throughout the whole talk.

19:17:28 simlay: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I25UeVXrEHQ

19:17:29 ozbot: Richard Stallman Eats Something From His Foot - YouTube

19:17:46 mircea_popescu: ew jesus

19:18:04 mircea_popescu: this entire fucking "presentation" bullshit has been the worst idea ever.

19:18:21 mircea_popescu: engineers do not belong outside of the basement. let people do what they're good at ffs.

19:18:34 nubbins`: ^ with rare exceptions, this is true

19:19:24 nubbins`: it's truly a rare person who is both a leader in their field and able to communicate with the public at their level

19:19:27 mircea_popescu: if you plot rms' output and his public speaking, the results are pretty sad.

19:19:38 rattaTATpow: its why etherium cant work too

19:19:44 mircea_popescu: the more speaking he does the less he's being useful.

19:19:51 rattaTATpow: the dude is a tinkerer, he'll never follow through

19:20:12 simlay: rattaTATpow: The awkward founder kid?

19:20:16 rattaTATpow: tinkerers are not CEOs or bosses or salesman

19:20:20 rattaTATpow: vitalik

19:20:22 simlay: Yeah

19:20:27 rattaTATpow: from bitcoin magazine

19:20:38 rattaTATpow: 4mos ago he wanted to do quantum mining

19:20:41 nubbins`: heh

19:20:47 nubbins`: QUANTUM MINING

19:20:53 simlay: lol.

19:21:21 nubbins`: JURISPRUDENT WAFFLE MAKING

19:21:42 nubbins`: he wanted to do [random word] [random bitcoin term]

19:22:41 nubbins`: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/tom-marshall-sworn-in-as-11th-premier-1.2509302

19:22:42 ozbot: Tom Marshall sworn in as 11th premier - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News

19:22:44 pankkake: time spent communicating about a project is usually inversely correlated to the advancement of the project

19:22:49 nubbins`: see the guy on the right-hand side of the picture?

19:22:51 Apocalyptic: <nubbins`> QUANTUM MINING // wtf am I reading

19:23:10 nubbins`: he had to apologize to canada on behalf of scout leaders who molested kids a while back

19:23:12 Apocalyptic: who's that vitalik ?

19:23:14 mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic there was some nut a few months ago, truely a thing to behold. he was going to "emulate" qc on plain old computers.

19:23:33 nubbins`: y'know, we'll just emulate non-determinism on these deterministic machines

19:23:37 mircea_popescu: he had pestered a number of respectable academia people, collected all the bits of their responses that weren't "you are a fucking retard kill yourself"

19:23:41 pankkake: well, he wanted *investments* more than actually succeeding I think

19:23:43 nubbins`: and i'll just keep saying things that make sense

19:23:54 mircea_popescu: and was bothering people around btc. some of them didn't immediately go "you are a fucking retard kill yourself"

19:23:56 simlay: He's the kid from bitocin magazine and founde/or something of ethereum.

19:23:57 pankkake: he kept PMing me after I told him I was poor

19:24:10 mircea_popescu: pankkake what was the guy's nick ? i forget

19:24:52 pankkake: jorash… I still have the window open :o

19:24:59 mircea_popescu: (this is unrelated to vitalik buterin, who's just an enthusiastic kid that's been exploited for a while by the bitcoin magazine assholes and is now looking for a new rapist)

19:25:23 Apocalyptic: he enjoys being raped ?

19:25:29 mircea_popescu: apparently.

19:25:31 nubbins`: i should start a bitcoin conspiracy rag

19:25:47 Apocalyptic: funny creature he is

19:25:48 nubbins`: start accepting articles about how the man is keeping quantum mining hush-hush

19:26:09 Apocalyptic: heh

19:26:14 nubbins`: maybe a "paranoiac of the week" on the last page

19:26:32 mircea_popescu: something like popular bitcoinics

19:26:35 nubbins`: yeah

19:26:40 mircea_popescu: where you debunk in detail idiotic notions in the space

19:26:44 nubbins`: vertical-takeoff mining rigs

19:26:59 nubbins`: land on a tabletop!

19:26:59 pankkake: http://pastebin.com/T8fZgeDa

19:27:00 ozbot: 1815 jorash> So I'm with a Toronto company, founded in 2009 called noospheer. - Pastebin.com

19:27:17 nubbins`: mircea_popescu, this would actually be a fun project

19:27:21 mircea_popescu: so do it.

19:27:31 mircea_popescu: not like you'll run out of material too soon.

19:27:41 mircea_popescu: just make sure you do a thorough ass job on each article.

19:27:58 mircea_popescu: this is the sort of thing where you can post even monthly, just as long as each post is worshippable.

19:28:11 jcpham: sounds like perfect material for fuckbitcoin.com

19:28:20 nubbins`: web is dead, i'd be printing on thinly-sliced trees

19:28:25 pankkake: nubbins`: there is #bitcoin-conspiracy but nothing ever get said

19:28:27 jcpham: nubbins what's your email address we'll make you an editor

19:28:32 jcpham: you can type away

19:28:46 nubbins`: jon@pinkeyeprints.com, natch

19:28:57 nubbins`: oh wait, why did i just do that

19:29:05 mircea_popescu: lol

19:29:11 nubbins`: fuck

19:29:20 mircea_popescu: pankkake http://25.media.tumblr.com/0c3026a17f609ca810f316c912d3994b/tumblr_mmtzapEDzW1ru15g3o1_1280.jpg there's a conspiracy

19:29:28 mircea_popescu: the redcup dorkspiracy.

19:29:41 nubbins`: the cups are stealing our women

19:30:02 nubbins`: and our dudebros, i guess

19:30:06 nubbins`: altho the cups can have those

19:30:08 mircea_popescu: check out the very comfortable token female / token black person

19:30:35 mircea_popescu: she's like... "i hope they're too retarded to notice me natch"

19:30:36 nubbins`: you can tell she's comfortable because of the way she's holding her arms

19:30:41 mircea_popescu: and her thighs

19:30:45 jcpham: see email

19:31:25 nubbins`: the one dudebro looks like he's wearing a suede skirt

19:32:49 jcpham: nubbins` feel free to be as libelous as you'd like my friend

19:32:57 nubbins`: "Rapeghost's friendly guide to #Bitcoin-OTC"

19:33:14 TATontehroad: joradh is jordan ash who did indeed partnerwith vitalik on the quantum mining thing

19:33:18 nubbins`: i guess that answers the question of what "rg" stands for

19:33:27 jcpham: mmmhmmm

19:33:34 TATontehroad: they pitched it at btc conference in Amsterdam

19:33:58 mircea_popescu: nubbins` yeah, rg = rapegost. i guess meanwhile this became a mystery of times past

19:34:10 kakobrekla: he sez its RAP e-ghost

19:34:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 2200 @ 0.00090496 = 1.9909 BTC [+] {3}

19:34:15 jcpham: ditched that first otc identity

19:34:16 nubbins`: that guy tried to skeet me out of some money

19:34:30 jcpham: used magick and conjured a new one

19:34:57 nubbins`: i designed a logo for him, and after delivering final proofs, he said "lel i don't like it, didn't want to hurt your feelings... you can keep the deposit tho"

19:35:06 TATontehroad: I was there to pass on the yer-retarded msg tho

19:36:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1235 @ 0.00090499 = 1.1177 BTC [+] {2}

19:37:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.0000875 = 0.175 BTC [+]

19:37:18 mircea_popescu: TATontehroad yeah but i doubt they picked that up.

19:37:34 TATontehroad: he was prettybutthurt the whole day

19:38:01 TATontehroad: Since I did so with the crowd listening

19:38:03 pankkake: another gift from my hard drive http://imgur.com/a/Qmz6x#0

19:38:05 nubbins`: heh

19:38:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 195 @ 0.00308913 = 0.6024 BTC [+]

19:38:19 nubbins`: public humiliation does indeed lead to butthurt

19:39:07 TATontehroad: it was during lunch so at least it was a smaller crowd...

19:39:33 TATontehroad: they weren't allowed to pitch duringnormal ceremonies

19:40:31 nubbins`: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/l-isle-verte-seniors-residence-fire-haunts-survivors-families-1.2509210

19:40:33 nubbins`: fuuuuu

19:41:12 nubbins`: "Several local residents told the media Thursday there were no sprinklers in the portion of the building that was destroyed"

19:48:14 pankkake: http://www.coindesk.com/richard-branson-6-bitcoin-customers-confirmed-virgin-galactic-space-filght/ lol at pics

19:49:05 nubbins`: someone buy that man some sunblock

19:54:01 nubbins`: hmm

19:54:06 nubbins`: SHITCOIN magazine has a nice ring

19:54:15 nubbins`: could focus on alts

19:54:44 nubbins`: "My husband spent our inheritance on doge so i cut off his dick" etc

19:54:58 nubbins`: "Pumping and dumping for fun and profit"

19:55:25 nubbins`: "Memecoin: a plug-and-play alt that YOU can pre-mine!"

19:55:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.02897998 = 0.1449 BTC [-]

19:57:48 mircea_popescu: lmao

19:57:50 mircea_popescu: "?I think there will be a global currency that will take on [J.P. Morgan CEO] Jamie Dimon and the other banks and other currencies."

19:57:58 mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/426499560576266241

19:57:59 ozbot: Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: Hey Dimon : #bitcoin wishes ...

19:58:07 mircea_popescu: stuff happens fast these days

20:01:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 99 @ 0.00301 = 0.298 BTC [-] {2}

20:03:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59250 @ 0.00099567 = 58.9934 BTC [-] {5}

20:15:15 mircea_popescu: so it'd seem bitcointalk has a xss vuln in the trust rating system, because mpoe-pr just managed to spam trust three times by simply refreshing the page.

20:15:28 mircea_popescu: if anyone feels like forging some js POST fields and checking it...

20:17:35 kakobrekla: thats not xss

20:17:42 kakobrekla: it just doenst refresh the page

20:17:50 kakobrekla: and reposts same stuff

20:17:55 kakobrekla: i have done so myself

20:18:27 mircea_popescu: not necessarily, no. but imo likely

20:19:11 nubbins`: mp, details?

20:19:48 kakobrekla: put in <script>alert('bleh');</script> and see what happens

20:20:03 kakobrekla: but that has nothing to do with not refreshing the page after posting

20:20:41 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla no, more like, see what you're POST ing, load it in a page with a js autopost when someone loads the page

20:20:48 mircea_popescu: and see what happens when you visit that page logged into btctalk

20:21:02 Apocalyptic: yeah that's CSRF

20:21:11 nubbins`: what the fuck is it with bitcoin and CSRF?

20:21:30 Apocalyptic: bitcoin-24 had that flaw too btw

20:21:37 nubbins`: every single play exchange had CSRF vulnerabilities

20:21:38 kakobrekla: but you can js autopost anything

20:21:40 Apocalyptic: you could withdraw btc just with a request...

20:21:48 mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic yeah i guess. gotta polish up on my web terminology

20:21:49 nubbins`: EVERY SINGLE ONE

20:21:52 kakobrekla: its not specific to rating system

20:22:26 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla srsly ? i can make you post stuff if you visit my page logged in ?!

20:22:32 nubbins`: ^ yes

20:22:42 kakobrekla: most probably yes

20:22:47 Apocalyptic: lol

20:22:56 mircea_popescu: lolk

20:23:09 mircea_popescu: nm, false alarm, it's working as intended x.x

20:23:40 kakobrekla: its broken in a sense its repositng same stuff

20:25:58 mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/677/bitcoin-network-difficulty-14bn-on-bastille-day/

20:26:00 ozbot: BitBet - Bitcoin network difficulty > 14Bn on Bastille day

20:26:03 mircea_popescu: the king is dead, long live the king

20:28:44 jayk: oh dear

20:29:20 Apocalyptic: 14Bn, that's some serious hashrate

20:30:52 nubbins`: mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/1567885/

20:31:00 nubbins`: PoC, someone else can try it out

20:31:28 nubbins`: you can also hide the buttons and textboxes for stealth

20:35:59 Apocalyptic: nubbins`, seriously you need jquery to submit a form ?

20:36:22 nubbins`: nah just too lazy to type out document.selectelementdfgdsfgfger blah blah

20:40:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 48 @ 0.00455 = 0.2184 BTC [-] {2}

20:41:54 nubbins`: http://dpaste.com/1567894/ <--triggers "preview" instead of "post", honestly can't be fucked to figure out why

20:41:55 ozbot: dpaste: #1567894

20:42:45 mircea_popescu: lawl

20:43:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.47 BTC [-]

20:44:43 benkay: why do you need a input telling you what kind of request you're getting?

20:45:04 benkay: s/you/btctalk

20:45:11 benkay: nevermind. it's btctalk.

20:45:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 2150 @ 0.00091448 = 1.9661 BTC [+] {7}

20:45:35 kakobrekla: probably a <i>security</i> measure

20:45:36 Apocalyptic: nubbins`, so you confirm the CSRF is working for posting new topics ?

20:45:56 nubbins`: nah, it triggers the Preview button instead of the Post button

20:46:17 nubbins`: regardless, yes, you can get logged-in users to submit forms just by luring them to a website

20:47:03 kakobrekla: funny why it goes to preview

20:47:10 nubbins`: yeah, i can't figure that one out

20:47:58 nubbins`: probably trivial but it's been a while since i've done this stuff

20:48:11 mircea_popescu: nubbins` what if you chain a post after ?

20:48:17 mircea_popescu: so it goes to preview then it posts

20:50:16 nubbins`: once the preview appears, you've lost the ability to inject

20:50:22 nubbins`: let me think on this for a bit

20:51:22 kakobrekla: the problem might be the request uri

20:51:34 kakobrekla: >Request URL:https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=post2;start=0;board=9

20:51:47 kakobrekla: action post2 ?

20:52:08 nubbins`: yeah, shrug. i think post2 is specifically for the preview page

20:52:22 kakobrekla: hm

20:52:23 Apocalyptic: nubbins`, just start wireshark so you can compare the requests and see what you're missing

20:53:08 nubbins`: you know, you could potentially reset people's passwords like this

20:53:21 kakobrekla: what i mean is post != request

20:54:18 kakobrekla: you are requesting action post 2 while posting the form

20:54:24 kakobrekla: as far as i can see

20:54:45 kakobrekla: no?

20:54:48 kakobrekla: anyway, brb

20:55:53 nubbins`: nah requested action post

20:56:26 mircea_popescu: try action=post3

20:57:18 nubbins`: action=post2 spoils the request

20:58:10 nubbins`: post3 bumps you to /index.php

21:06:40 mircea_popescu: action=preview ? :D

21:07:41 pankkake: "75% out of almost 200 people voted the money should be returned.. Scam job wrote all over it, It's time to give negative rating to MPOE-PR"

21:07:57 pankkake: the whole thing is depressing

21:08:12 Apocalyptic: pankkake, but they voted !

21:08:15 mircea_popescu: whoa, who knew!

21:08:23 Apocalyptic: you can't oppose people's will like this

21:08:26 mircea_popescu: the mem dood disappeared, to be replaced by a new muppet

21:08:47 pankkake: I don't think there is anything worse than anynomous voting

21:09:20 mircea_popescu: "Graded by focus groups and BCP research"

21:09:29 mircea_popescu: dude srsly, ResearchCoin

21:09:46 mircea_popescu: it has value merely by saying "research"

21:09:52 pankkake: hmm… how could I create a DemocraticCoin…

21:10:26 mircea_popescu: yeah or LiberalCoin

21:10:29 mircea_popescu: AnimalRightsCoin

21:10:35 mircea_popescu: WomenInTechCoin

21:10:46 mircea_popescu: NoCarbonCoin

21:10:52 Apocalyptic: GlobalWarmingCoin

21:11:02 mircea_popescu: GloballyCoolCoin

21:11:02 pankkake: nah, it should have a specific stupid feature

21:11:09 nubbins`: i give up, may try to poke at it some more later

21:11:09 simlay: Has someone written a crypto coin name generator yet?

21:11:10 pankkake: GlobalWarmingCoin now that would work!

21:11:24 mircea_popescu: simlay pankkake actually wrote an altcoin generator outright

21:11:25 nubbins`: FWIW here's the similar vulnerability i disclosed to havelock last summer:

21:11:26 nubbins`: http://dpaste.com/1567929/

21:11:27 ozbot: dpaste: #1567929

21:11:33 mircea_popescu: nubbins` is it fixed ?

21:11:34 pankkake: mircea_popescu: no I didn't

21:11:42 mircea_popescu: o that page wasnt yours ?

21:11:45 nubbins`: mircea_popescu: the havelock one? yeah, they patched it up right away

21:11:58 pankkake: it's not mine… neither the much profit

21:12:06 nubbins`: nah that was all hand-crafted by yours truly

21:12:11 simlay: mircea_popescu: coingen.io

21:12:12 mircea_popescu: aha i c

21:12:20 simlay: ?

21:12:31 pankkake: I thought of doing it, but the doing the "windows binaries" thing annoyed me

21:12:33 mircea_popescu: simlay sounds right. i thought it was frenchie's

21:12:44 nubbins`: i sometimes wonder how much money got stolen form havelock, btc-e, btctctctct, etc via these CSRF bugs

21:12:59 mircea_popescu: over nine billion

21:13:02 nubbins`: heh

21:13:04 pankkake: also the guy isn't even providing new genesis blocks

21:13:46 nubbins`: anyway, i tried to use the same trick to reset a user's email address -- that one is not possible

21:13:50 mircea_popescu: nubbins` this is how you know a site that claims it's trading X btc/day actually does : ridiculous csrf bugs don't drive them out of business.

21:13:54 mircea_popescu: weblogic 1.0

21:14:13 nubbins`: web security 0.1

21:14:31 nubbins`: i was amazed to see shit like this in a production environment

21:20:30 nubbins`: okay, looks like all the important actions are protected from this by storing a session variable in a hidden text field and submitting that with the request

21:21:29 nubbins`: TBF this would have been an issue with the forum software itself

21:22:32 nubbins`: if anyone's curious: http://wiki.simplemachines.org/smf/Understanding_SMF_Security

21:22:53 kakobrekla: yes but i think sesc is obtainable

21:23:23 nubbins`: not before the form is loaded tho

21:24:25 kakobrekla: if you edit one of your own posts you get in in the url

21:24:31 kakobrekla: for example

21:24:42 kakobrekla: and it doesnt change

21:25:17 nubbins`: sure, it stays with you until your session expires

21:25:27 nubbins`: but the question remains: how to get it?

21:26:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2880 @ 0.00008209 = 0.2364 BTC [-] {4}

21:26:19 kakobrekla: load the edit post page in iframe, read off the url?

21:26:50 kakobrekla: takes more craft.

21:26:52 nubbins`: well you'd need to know the value of sesc to successfully load the iframe

21:27:06 kakobrekla: really?

21:27:14 nubbins`: i think so

21:27:31 Guest33451: mircea_popescu killed biggie smalls

21:27:33 kakobrekla: hold on

21:27:36 Guest33451: I have evidence

21:27:38 nubbins`: try it: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=post;msg=4714088;topic=317651.20

21:27:49 nubbins`: "Session verification failed. Please try logging out and back in again, and then try again."

21:28:57 nubbins`: hmm

21:29:00 nubbins`: hold on now

21:29:17 nubbins`: yeah, no, i don't think it's do-able

21:29:54 nubbins`: without XSS

21:30:03 mircea_popescu: wait wut

21:31:21 KRS1: BIG poppa

21:35:17 kakobrekla: yeah its not so straight forward

21:36:58 nubbins`: oh well

21:37:00 nubbins`: anyway

21:37:22 nubbins`: this is why you use frameworks and CMSes

21:37:39 nubbins`: because generally intelligent people have thought this stuff through

21:38:16 nubbins`: roll your own website, and you're taking on all that responsibility yourself

21:42:27 lippoper: getnetworkhashps

21:43:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15700 @ 0.00099882 = 15.6815 BTC [+]

21:45:34 pankkake: well, that depends on your tools, too. you can roll your own with libs that help you do the right thing

21:45:54 pankkake: but things like php help you do exactly the wrong thing

21:46:49 nubbins`: sure

21:48:23 nubbins`: ah look, icbit.se runs off ASP.NET

21:48:44 nubbins`: how quaint

21:48:45 pankkake: :/

21:48:57 nubbins`: it's not as bad as people like to think

21:49:08 nubbins`: i mean, the code it generates is FUCKED

21:49:18 nubbins`: but it tailors it to the individual's browser/os

21:49:29 pankkake: given that I do a lot of website parsing, I hate it :p

21:49:33 nubbins`: and it's reasonably secure

21:50:13 nubbins`: heh yeah

21:50:17 nubbins`: <![CDATA[//> tags everywhere

21:52:52 jurov: such ugliness is more an intrinsic problem of HTML++

21:53:19 jurov: i am using a tool to generate stuff from outline

21:53:41 jurov: somewhat like literate programming to organize code to not get crazy

21:54:19 jurov: and it just isn't possible to insert stuff marking the section reliably into xhtml

21:54:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19976 @ 0.00100305 = 20.0369 BTC [+] {2}

21:54:41 jurov: ended up exactly with such ugly CDATA wrappers

21:55:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.0000875 = 0.175 BTC [+]

21:55:56 nubbins`: CDATA is a bit of a hot mess

21:56:30 jurov: just a result of HTML/XML kludge

21:56:34 nubbins`: nod

21:56:55 nubbins`: when i made sites with JSF, i don't think they generated any CDATA tags

21:57:06 nubbins`: but JSF comes with its own set of problems

21:57:12 nubbins`: there's no perfect solution

21:57:56 nubbins`: FWIW, visual studio is a great IDE

21:58:06 nubbins`: tho few are willing to admit it

22:00:01 jurov: at least javascript *must* be wrapped in cdata

22:00:36 pankkake: or, don't put javascript in html ;)

22:00:42 nubbins`: nah

22:00:47 nubbins`: just wrap it in <!-- -->

22:01:10 nubbins`: the browser will parse it, and you don't break W3C compliance

22:01:28 kakobrekla: fuck compilance

22:01:29 pankkake: yes, that's the way javascript should be included: <!-- <script></script> -->

22:01:42 nubbins`: "fuck compliance" is the general mantra, yes

22:01:44 pankkake: kakobrekla: that's the html5 spirit!

22:01:56 kakobrekla: hehe

22:01:58 nubbins`: it's also the html 4.01 spirit

22:02:06 nubbins`: the IE 1-10 spirit

22:02:06 nubbins`: etc

22:02:19 pankkake: no, html5 basically admits "devs can't write correct html, so we are going to spec how browsers should react to bad stuff"

22:02:41 kakobrekla: when i see "this page has been validated" i leave it immediately

22:02:45 kakobrekla: its most prolly scam.

22:02:46 nubbins`: heh

22:02:52 jurov: what? you mean <script><!-- if (a > b){stuff} --></script> no?

22:03:01 nubbins`: making pages w3c compliant is suck a fucking pain in the hole

22:03:06 nubbins`: for no measurable benefit

22:03:11 kakobrekla: zactly.

22:03:12 nubbins`: *such

22:03:16 pankkake: eh, one of my websites is XHTML 1.1 compliant

22:03:21 kakobrekla: which translates to only idiots do it

22:03:24 pankkake: that's some hardcore stuff

22:04:01 pankkake: jurov: no, that was the joke :p

22:04:15 nubbins`: hmm, only 157 compliance errors on mpex.co

22:04:16 nubbins`: not bad

22:04:58 pankkake: it probably just needs the html5 doctype

22:05:04 nubbins`: nod

22:05:11 pankkake: unless it uses <marquee>

22:05:29 nubbins`: nah there's no doctype specified

22:05:29 pankkake: which would actually fit right in here

22:05:41 nubbins`: just specifying one would probably get rid of all 157 errors

22:05:47 jurov: i'm using xml templates, somewhere there in between was the reason i can't just comment everything out

22:05:50 pankkake: that's what I meant

22:06:33 nubbins`: xslt

22:06:43 nubbins`: speaking of nightmares...

22:06:52 benkay: it's not that dev's can't in2 html, it's that once a person starts calling themselves a 'dev' they generally have left html behind because the dom is a stateful nightmare to program for

22:07:09 benkay: back buttons

22:07:15 benkay: all the things

22:07:19 nubbins`: fuck the back button

22:07:41 pankkake: fuck web applications

22:07:44 benkay: yeah i had a conversation recently where the conclusion was 'we no ams use back button'

22:07:45 pankkake: it's for documents

22:07:55 nubbins`: at my last job, there was at least one asshole on each project who would ask "can we just disable the browser's back button?"

22:08:16 nubbins`: "well that depends, can i just walk into your house and fuck your wife?"

22:08:19 benkay: too bad web applications are the only way to develop affordably in a way that most mobile browsers can access surfaced data

22:08:59 KRS1: i hate web applications i'm a systems guy

22:09:13 nubbins`: i did web apps for 5 years and then ragequit

22:09:17 benkay: ya well people gotta derp on buttons and see pretty graphs

22:09:24 KRS1: i can see why nubbins`

22:09:33 nubbins`: nod

22:09:35 nubbins`: i'll never do it again

22:09:44 pankkake: I am trying to branch out of web applications

22:09:54 pankkake: not many people want to pay me to write CLI applications though!

22:09:56 kakobrekla: you are all in a webapp

22:10:01 kakobrekla: called webchat for freenode

22:10:04 KRS1: pankkake not much of a choice

22:10:05 pankkake: ban webchat

22:10:11 pankkake: worst invention ever

22:10:14 nubbins`: heh

22:10:29 nubbins`: pankkake, there's plenty of coding to be done that's not web apps and not CLI

22:10:41 pankkake: actually, at some point, I started projects that didn't even have a CLI

22:10:51 pankkake: you had to run the interpreter and import the lib

22:10:51 nubbins`: web services don't have a cli

22:11:19 kakobrekla: i think some do

22:11:19 pankkake: true. that's what I was mostly doing with the webby stuff

22:11:38 nubbins`: well sure, but they're not really used that way in real life

22:11:54 nubbins`: just parsed by code

22:12:39 nubbins`: in general usage, web services don't have an I of any type, CL or otherwise

22:12:59 kakobrekla: yeah

22:13:05 kakobrekla: more sites could be lik https://cmd.fm

22:13:22 nubbins`: fun

22:14:23 kakobrekla: anyone wants to do bitbet console version :)

22:14:40 pankkake: NOPE: http://i.imgur.com/x6fW07R.png

22:15:02 kakobrekla: stop browsing with a potato

22:15:05 pankkake: kakobrekla: well I do write CLI interfaces to talk to websites

22:15:13 pankkake: especially the bad ones

22:15:17 kakobrekla: :D

22:15:38 kakobrekla: i think it would be better if its inbrowser faked cli

22:15:54 nubbins`: http://news.slashdot.org/story/14/01/24/1838241/fsfs-richard-stallman-calls-llvm-a-terrible-setback

22:15:55 ozbot: FSF's Richard Stallman Calls LLVM a 'Terrible Setback' - Slashdot

22:16:12 pankkake: no, UNIX style applications are awesome

22:16:35 pankkake: http://www.beeeeer.org/ now this is a good website design

22:17:54 KRS1: .bait

22:17:56 ozbot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m520b5Yt4l1r64vmyo1_500.jpg

22:18:33 pankkake: TUI?

22:18:49 pizzaman1337: touch ui?

22:19:01 pankkake: ew

22:19:12 jspiros: pankkake: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Text-based_user_interface

22:19:20 pankkake: oh :)

22:19:25 nubbins`: at my last job, all the front-line staffed used TUI

22:19:28 nubbins`: *staff

22:19:36 nubbins`: big clunky RPG IV programs

22:19:49 nubbins`: developed in the 80s

22:20:21 jspiros: I am in the same position as pankkake, I am tired of webdev and wish people would pay me to write CLI/TUI apps

22:20:29 nubbins`: "hit F12... now C... now 3... Tab twice... F2 that..."

22:20:36 jspiros: though I would be happy writing GUI apps too, for desktops; I'm just tired of mobile or web as the primary options

22:20:45 jspiros: nubbins`: delicious

22:20:59 mircea_popescu: fun fact : most mpex brokers are cli.

22:21:02 nubbins`: web is the worst fucking medium to write for

22:22:19 jspiros: I think the web is fine for what it was originally designed for; hacking desktop-style UIs into it is when things started to go wrong

22:22:20 nubbins`: how many mpex brokers are there, anyway?

22:22:35 nubbins`: jspiros, +1

22:23:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 13 @ 0.46863852 = 6.0923 BTC [-] {5}

22:24:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 68 @ 0.45532202 = 30.9619 BTC [-] {14}

22:26:07 nubbins`: http://yro.slashdot.org/story/14/01/24/0425256/court-says-craigslist-sperm-donor-must-pay-child-support

22:26:08 ozbot: Court Says Craigslist Sperm Donor Must Pay Child Support - Slashdot

22:26:21 jurov: nubbins`: i'm afraid all others went into hiding or out of business

22:26:23 nubbins`: TL, DR: a doctor didn't collect the sperm

22:26:46 nubbins`: but how was the sperm collected, you ask?

22:26:59 nubbins`: "...while agreeing to donate sperm in a plastic cup to Schreiner and Angela Bauer..."

22:27:15 nubbins`: i can see the craigslist ad now

22:27:36 nubbins`: "We are two hot lesbians who are looking for a man to visit our house and cum into a red Solo cup"

22:27:47 KRS1: .bait

22:27:48 ozbot: http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4warmCvet1r17ko6o1_500.jpg

22:28:10 pankkake: .bait

22:28:12 ozbot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5uzskzfbV1r9mvn7o1_500.jpg

22:28:46 pankkake: with all these stories I'm afraid of where my sperm goes

22:29:03 nubbins`: further food for thought: it's the state, not the women, who instigated this process

22:29:32 deadweasel: mircea_popescu: linkrot got you down? https://medium.com/the-magazine/ff97b5f36be8

22:29:39 nubbins`: from what i can gather, the two moms got on welfare and the state wants the cup-cummer to repay $6k worth of welfare cheques

22:30:55 pankkake: yes, but the mom shouldn't have declared a father

22:31:12 nubbins`: she probably had to in order to collect welfare

22:31:37 nubbins`: "there is no father" "where's the letter from your doctor?"

22:31:42 nubbins`: anyway, gotta run

22:32:30 mircea_popescu: " A recent Harvard study found that 49 percent of links in Supreme Court opinions are now dead, and 70 percent of links in journals, including the Harvard Law Review, are dead too."

22:32:34 mircea_popescu: for crying out loud

22:32:47 mircea_popescu: on the positive side, fraudsters > the scotus, culturally speaking.

22:33:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 900 @ 0.0010015 = 0.9014 BTC [-]

22:33:23 jurov: links to polimedia.us/fraudsters aren't dead?

22:33:37 KRS1: as long as the bait keeps coming

22:33:53 KRS1: yeah what happened to dtng on polimedia.us? There were great pics there

22:33:53 mircea_popescu: jurov no ? are they ?

22:34:28 jurov: just asking. they are not

22:34:29 Apocalyptic: btw polimedia.us now redirects to MPex directly

22:35:04 mircea_popescu: yeah, i got tired of "sorry, no, not taking clients, no, srsly."

22:37:21 benkay: this is why bitcoin is going to break the welfare state

22:37:44 benkay: you cannot come to me and say "this child is yours and we're going to garnish your wages" for you cannot garnish my bitcoin earnings.

22:38:01 mircea_popescu: a fine example, yes.

22:38:11 mircea_popescu: "but 75% of the 200 ppl on derptalk voted!!!"

22:38:18 mircea_popescu: "yeah well... bully for them"

22:38:21 mircea_popescu: and that's that.

22:38:59 mircea_popescu: soon enough feeding two idiot women who think they're lesbians as if that's something to be is too expensive,

22:39:06 mircea_popescu: and so either find a job or get over yourself.

22:46:19 Apocalyptic: .d

22:46:19 ozbot: 2193847870.17428 | Next Diff in 1957 blocks | Estimated Change: 8.5723% in 12d 9h 54m 37s

22:47:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9715 @ 0.00099424 = 9.659 BTC [-]

22:48:43 benkay: http://www.news.cornell.edu/stories/2014/01/young-pranksters-skewed-landmark-sexuality-study

22:48:43 ozbot: Young 'pranksters' skewed landmark sexuality study | Cornell Chronicle

22:59:28 mircea_popescu: lol

23:00:24 Diablo-D3: [05:37:46] <benkay> you cannot come to me and say "this child is yours and we're going to garnish your wages" for you cannot garnish my bitcoin earnings.

23:00:32 Diablo-D3: actually, they can just court order you to sell your assets

23:00:43 Diablo-D3: and jesus christ man

23:00:45 Diablo-D3: if you have a kid

23:00:48 Diablo-D3: pay the fucking court order

23:00:59 Diablo-D3: dont make him suffer because you're a fucking loser that needs to be shot

23:01:29 benkay: man

23:01:44 benkay: Diablo-D3 do you just show up in here, read the last five lines and start typing?

23:02:09 Diablo-D3: that was like 20 lines ago

23:03:06 benkay: n, where n is insufficient to derive context?

23:05:11 mircea_popescu: "there's nowehere nearly as many gay people as the gay political party would have you believe". shocking!

23:05:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10300 @ 0.0009951 = 10.2495 BTC [+]

23:07:32 Diablo-D3: >gay political party

23:07:34 Diablo-D3: oh my~

23:08:30 benkay: implying it's not?

23:08:52 Diablo-D3: well, the republican party IS pretty big

23:09:06 benkay: so?

23:09:38 pankkake: isn't the republican party full of guys getting their dicks sucked by men in public toilets or something?

23:09:48 Diablo-D3: pankkake: thats the joke

23:10:41 mircea_popescu: well in this context, by "gay political party" i simply meant the bunch of despicable faggots that are going "we are opressed please give us free shit out of the public tax chest"

23:10:51 mircea_popescu: like the niggers, exactly, just with a different story.

23:11:03 KRS1: nah nigga

23:11:25 Diablo-D3: the republican party is full of gay niggers

23:11:46 KRS1: gay nigger garbage man

23:12:22 mircea_popescu: that could be a sitcom

23:12:29 KRS1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7faRubyT_k

23:12:30 ozbot: Faggot Bruce - Cockstar - YouTube

23:12:42 KRS1: yes sitcom perfect

23:12:48 mircea_popescu: there's this one guy who's reasonably sane. he works as a garbage truck driver. everyone thinks he's gay and black, for some reason.

23:12:55 mircea_popescu: and everyone's life is constantly going to shit.

23:13:03 mircea_popescu: he's sort-of the straight man of the show

23:13:15 KRS1: my god this rapper has to be a joke

23:13:41 KRS1: i would uninstall myself, deficate and die if i got my ass kicked and raped by a gangster ass faggot

23:14:27 pankkake: yeah this is bad

23:14:38 KRS1: gotta be a joke

23:16:28 Renuxes_: Hello! Fundraising for my mother to fight cancer. I accept bitcoins. Details: http://www.gofundme.com/5wb6js

23:16:33 pankkake: "heavy metal style" lol

23:17:00 mircea_popescu: Renuxes_ are you being funny or lame ?

23:17:07 pankkake: listen to gorgoroth for non faggy gay metal!

23:17:33 kakobrekla: Renuxes_ ipo on havelock?

23:19:40 Namworld: Seriously, someone take a club with protuding nails and insert it up deep in Bitstamp's ass. I don't want to fly over to do it myself.

23:20:24 mircea_popescu: Namworld make a gofundme page ?

23:21:13 kakobrekla: you know someone like me could take down bitstamp quite simply

23:21:24 kakobrekla: i know where their server is and they only do daily local msql dumps

23:21:36 kakobrekla: so there you have it.

23:21:47 kakobrekla: take the server or just nuke hdd.

23:22:46 Namworld: Gofundme page: "Help me insert objects with protuding rusted metal spike in orifices"

23:22:51 jurov: kakobrekla what if someone really throws molotow to bitstamp dc and they'll imply you?

23:22:52 Namworld: What?

23:23:12 Namworld: They have no backups? How would you even know?

23:23:13 kakobrekla: yeah well i will imply you

23:23:29 jurov: i don't know where the dc is, you said you did

23:23:30 kakobrekla: well as it happens i know

23:23:39 kakobrekla: yeah but i told you

23:23:57 jurov: well, now you are complicit anyway

23:24:04 kakobrekla: mhm

23:24:41 Namworld: Bitstamp wants dox with so much resolution they fit on 2 pages

23:25:02 Apocalyptic: heh

23:25:08 pankkake: enhance!

23:25:31 Namworld: I only have a 3.2 mp camera

23:25:33 Apocalyptic: they want your miners' receipt too and pic of you with them if you withdraw > 100k and claim you mined it

23:26:13 Namworld: They might be a bit overboard there

23:26:28 jurov: Apocalyptic and shoe on the head?

23:26:43 Apocalyptic: jurov, nah they missed that somehow

23:26:50 Namworld: Do they want to do a cavity search too to make sure I'm not hiding and going to buy drugs from myself?

23:27:19 Apocalyptic: Namworld, i've recently received the requirements to open a corporate account with them

23:27:28 Apocalyptic: they're clearly overdoing the AML/KYC thing

23:30:01 jurov: and i thought bitcoin-central went overboard, but it was actually better than this

23:30:17 blg: lmao

23:30:19 blg: @

23:30:23 blg: self cavity search

23:31:21 kakobrekla: yeah, thanks for otc.

23:31:48 Namworld: It would be easier to convince an NSA agent to just bring a suitcase of money to an unnamed individual in the countryside in a region where terrorists are known to hide than to AML/KYC with Bitstamp?

23:32:25 blg: arent there any criminal countries left where you can open a bank account no questions asked and run a bitcoin business with it

23:32:47 jurov: vatican?

23:33:08 blg: i was thinking eastern europe or middle east or south america

23:33:19 mircea_popescu: <Apocalyptic> they want your miners' receipt too and pic of you with them if you withdraw > 100k and claim you mined it << because who asked them ?

23:33:38 Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, no idea

23:33:47 jurov: eastern europe? pfffft, we have almost no local banks

23:34:00 jurov: all are subsidiaries of western-eurpoean banks

23:34:03 Apocalyptic: i think they freely decided to do so

23:34:04 Namworld: It's completly serious too. They'll ask for it.

23:34:04 blg: damn

23:34:06 jurov: and they set the standards

23:34:08 blg: i didnt know that jurov

23:34:20 Namworld: Bitstamp must actually be USG funded.

23:34:44 pankkake: wow, I seriously thought you were joking

23:34:49 jurov: lol, so usg gave a tesla to nejc?

23:35:02 Apocalyptic: ^

23:35:22 blg: USG =? US gov?

23:35:27 Apocalyptic: or usagi

23:35:36 jurov: us govt

23:35:40 blg: bitstamp is a slovenian bank

23:35:46 blg: but a "uk" company

23:35:48 jurov: no, they moved to uk

23:36:00 blg: the bank is still in slovenia

23:36:11 blg: they are just incorporated in the UK

23:36:15 jurov: they still send sepa transfers from slovenia? iirc i got the last one from the uk

23:36:27 blg: i could be completely wrong

23:36:34 blg: but when i was looking up their banking info on doing incoming wires

23:36:40 blg: it was a slovenian bank

23:36:41 Apocalyptic: jurov, well they received their SEPAs in the slovenian one

23:36:50 Apocalyptic: *receive

23:36:56 jurov: ok

23:37:37 jurov: blg, to be fair, you can maybe use estonian banks

23:37:55 jurov: russians do, but cyprus-style crackdown is imminent

23:39:04 jurov: http://bigstory.ap.org/article/new-euro-member-latvia-brings-dirty-money-headache ah no it was latvia actually

23:39:05 ozbot: New euro member Latvia brings dirty money headache

23:42:31 jurov: afaik best is to create offshore corp and move money through it

23:43:36 jurov: i haven't needed that yet myself because no regulator figured bitcoins out here, but maybe next year

23:54:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 95 @ 0.00308898 = 0.2935 BTC [+]