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00:12:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23100 @ 0.00039234 = 9.0631 BTC [-]

00:28:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44050 @ 0.0003916 = 17.25 BTC [-] {2}

00:46:04 asciilifeform: danielpbarron: what kind of output were you expecting to see without a serial cable ?!

01:00:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25150 @ 0.00039479 = 9.929 BTC [+]

01:02:14 danielpbarron: asciilifeform, none; just confirming my expectations

01:03:08 danielpbarron: is the netcat thing even needed?

01:04:52 asciilifeform: danielpbarron: it's needed if you have no serial cable and want to screw with uboot

01:04:56 asciilifeform: otherwise not at all.

01:05:25 asciilifeform: unrelated/historical >> http://coldwar-ct.com/ATT_Chesterfield.html << 'not a bunker w/out spring mounted toilet!'

01:05:26 assbot: ATT Chesterfield ... ( http://bit.ly/1MNQ597 )

01:08:39 mircea_popescu: i wonder what they think "nuclear hardened" means.

01:08:50 asciilifeform: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2008/08/10/118719/mysterious-cold-war-bunker-closes.html#.VOvOc3W9_fs << related

01:08:52 assbot: Mysterious Cold War bunker closes | CharlotteObserver.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1MNQpov )

01:09:14 asciilifeform: (architectural/historical interest)

01:09:20 mircea_popescu: 5feet doesn't sound like much.

01:09:29 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I find the historical bunker bezzel fascinating. Especially with the missile sites that were getting outdated and replaced within 5 years. The ATT bunkers though... some nice real estate

01:09:31 asciilifeform: of earth; more of cement

01:09:47 asciilifeform: bunker-building was a major racket in usa

01:09:49 asciilifeform: at one time

01:11:10 asciilifeform: and afaik nobody cancelled bunkers, but the 'golden age of usg' gigantomania is gone.

01:12:20 BingoBoingo: Well, private bunkers are the new racket

01:12:42 mircea_popescu: 40acres for 200k.

01:12:47 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: private 'gtfo' arrangements are the new racket

01:13:23 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: That too. Still some people do brisk business selling corrugated steel tubes

01:16:09 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: http://coldwar-ct.com/Home_Page_S1DO.html << even more, incl. period equipment

01:16:11 assbot: ATT Cheshire underground facility. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LzZGir )

01:17:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21600 @ 0.00039151 = 8.4566 BTC [-]

01:19:00 BingoBoingo: Ah, more toilet springs

01:20:53 asciilifeform: found that site by sheer accident, while idly looking for what's commercial state of the art in shock wave detectors

01:20:57 asciilifeform: (from earlier thread)

01:21:10 *: asciilifeform out of date on the subject

01:21:46 mircea_popescu: i'm not terribly impressed with the depicted blastdoors, but anyway

01:22:43 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: according to the historical docs, the sites in question were rated for particular 'overpressures' - and some were 'graded down' upon inspection after constructed

01:22:49 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Definitely a particularly interesting site. Microwave tower is rather thin on antennas so facility must have had other serious justification

01:22:51 mircea_popescu: aha

01:22:53 asciilifeform: so mircea_popescu is not the only one who wasn't impressed

01:23:08 asciilifeform: builders sc4mz0r3d usg

01:23:17 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: horns

01:23:19 mircea_popescu: myeah.

01:23:33 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: you need one (or two, redundant) for each direction of link

01:23:51 asciilifeform: and the horns themselves were merely backups for the more famous underground coax

01:23:56 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Sure, but The towers around here tend to have more horns and more tower for mounting horns

01:24:10 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: there are horns where you live ?!

01:24:29 mircea_popescu: you thinking cellphgone microwave drums ?

01:24:29 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: We have a big microwave tower on the north side of town

01:24:34 mircea_popescu: slightly different item

01:24:48 asciilifeform: very different.

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01:27:06 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Between highway and park in hometown Big antenna, wimpy bunker https://maps.google.com/maps?q=highland+silver+lake+park&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=sb&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=X&ei=utLrVLr6CujgsASx_4CYAg&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ&output=classic&dg=brw

01:27:08 assbot: highland silver lake park - Google Maps ... ( http://bit.ly/1MNRKf0 )

01:27:17 BingoBoingo: Common arrangement in the Middle West

01:27:33 BingoBoingo: "Longline" service

01:28:14 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: looks quite like the others.

01:28:29 asciilifeform: can even see the cracks on the asphalt.

01:28:37 asciilifeform: probably not sold at time of photo.

01:28:51 mircea_popescu: http://38.media.tumblr.com/8695d3035d9ae23d57c8d720815885a8/tumblr_n4w4vqxch41rdh9veo1_400.gif

01:28:53 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1MNROv9 )

01:28:56 BingoBoingo: Well no reason not to. Just maybe it is an elevation thing but CT bunker seems like it could have moar tower

01:29:40 asciilifeform: elevation thing

01:30:40 asciilifeform: https://maps.google.com/maps?q=highland+silver+lake+park&ll=38.761728,-89.692103&spn=0.002812,0.001632&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&channel=sb&t=h&z=20&layer=c&cbll=38.761673,-89.691976&panoid=HPZxYzCY4v-Tms2dG9AMcA&cbp=12,354.34,,1,-19.35 << BingoBoingo's tower definitely has cellular antennae now

01:30:42 assbot: highland silver lake park - Google Maps ... ( http://bit.ly/1MNRXia )

01:30:45 asciilifeform: in addition to the classical horns

01:31:25 BingoBoingo: https://d1u1p2xjjiahg3.cloudfront.net/e71f4cbe-bc13-4d1b-b3f9-1e0a9f9ebf16.jpg << 2004 vintage

01:31:26 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1MNS0KY )

01:32:00 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what's that ?!

01:33:03 BingoBoingo: https://d1u1p2xjjiahg3.cloudfront.net/775124f3-9ed9-4b6d-b22d-513441a12b51.jpg << 2012 with Cellular turds

01:33:05 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1LA1Pug )

01:33:22 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: or, more specifically, what is the flying object

01:43:29 BingoBoingo: And since we are bringing up the hometown behold the drive Federalis made to visit, note the major city very close to the destination https://maps.google.com/maps?q=peoria+illinois+highland+illinois&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=sb&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=X&ei=1tbrVNKsHMKmNqeWg_AH&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ&output=classic&dg=brw

01:43:31 assbot: peoria illinois highland illinois - Google Maps ... ( http://bit.ly/1MNT0yD )

01:45:23 asciilifeform: http://senstar.com << hilarious bezzlatron

01:45:24 assbot: Senstar - The Trusted Choice for Perimeter Intrusion Detection and Security Solutions ... ( http://bit.ly/1MNTchb )

01:46:41 asciilifeform: http://www.securityinfowatch.com/directory/perimeter-security-physical-hardening << giant catalogue of usg auschwitzmatics

01:46:43 assbot: Browse Perimeter Security & Physical Hardening Products ... ( http://bit.ly/1MNThBD )

01:47:59 BingoBoingo: Mega lol, where's the robot's Mosin?

01:48:34 asciilifeform: can connect alarm out cable to whatever?

01:50:07 BingoBoingo: If Intel can plan on sending silicon to abadon anything is possible

01:51:23 asciilifeform: http://senstar.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/senstar-vip-brochure.pdf << moar lulz

01:51:25 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1MNTDbx )

01:52:11 *: asciilifeform secretly imagines the opposite of this firm

01:52:20 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform a nato round expelled

01:52:35 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: just now?

01:52:45 mircea_popescu: in the gif. is what you meant ?

01:52:49 asciilifeform: aha

01:52:51 asciilifeform: lol

01:53:00 asciilifeform: i was still thinking about the wave detector!

01:53:16 asciilifeform: but it all makes sense now

01:54:05 asciilifeform: should've noticed the earmuffs

01:55:13 mircea_popescu: http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2008/05/cookie_monster_becomes_aware.html << actually tlp has excellent working theory on 'what happened'.

01:55:14 assbot: The Last Psychiatrist: Cookie Monster Becomes Aware ... ( http://bit.ly/1MNTVPI )

01:55:33 mircea_popescu: baby boomers checked out of society, their kids were raised by the tv set, the result is the current usg.

01:56:24 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: old ('60s-'70s?) news ?

01:56:37 mircea_popescu: not news in any sense. well stated.

01:57:12 mircea_popescu: it also means no meta nsa you know.

01:57:33 asciilifeform: why'd that be

01:57:37 asciilifeform: not everybody's a degenerate

01:57:41 mircea_popescu: orly.

01:58:01 mircea_popescu: not how this works. biological samples are either uniformly infected or not infected.

01:58:07 asciilifeform: now, granted, i don't work at meta-nsa...

01:58:23 asciilifeform: but the folks i work with weren't raised by tv.

01:58:37 asciilifeform: nor was the woman

01:58:50 asciilifeform: nor any of the people i associate with voluntarily in meatspace, really

01:59:04 asciilifeform: not a uniform infection, this.

01:59:21 mircea_popescu: but what that does is... it takes them out of sample.

01:59:39 asciilifeform: meta-nsa can also take out of sample, no ?

01:59:51 mircea_popescu: no.

01:59:52 asciilifeform: or what, ant can do, but elephant cannot ?

01:59:53 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> it also means no meta nsa you know. << That show in particular was designed to bring about reddit society

02:00:21 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo only retrospectively. prospectively, it was designed to bring about "a better world", as some people imagined it.

02:00:33 mircea_popescu: that "a better world" as some people imagine it is always laughably derpy is no secret.

02:00:41 cazalla: that oscar was such a troll, down voting

02:01:04 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: And in every "about" derp they mention the "better world" being governance via reddit and tumblr ethics

02:01:30 mircea_popescu: if you don't know very much, all sorts of stuff smells like salvation.

02:01:44 BingoBoingo: And it's no coincidence that Elmo was played by a chomo

02:02:04 mircea_popescu: some idiots somewhere put pen to paper cca 1700 to communicate the idea that "if only we made the children of the scum literate the word would be a paradise"

02:02:51 BingoBoingo: No, just means you have to sort through "literate" scum to find literature

02:04:55 BingoBoingo: Related: http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/crime/2015/02/prison_survival_guides_books_and_videos_for_navigating_life_on_the_inside.html

02:04:56 assbot: Prison survival guides: Books and videos for navigating life on the inside. ... ( http://bit.ly/1MNUE39 )

02:05:33 mircea_popescu: they're going to have a dating/selfhelp for this, too ?

02:05:58 mircea_popescu: pretty soon derps in prison so numerous actual prisoners are too wtf'd at these idiots running around dreaming a little dream they just hang themselves ?

02:06:10 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lulzier still, there are -schools- for 'white collar' derps who are expecting prison

02:06:25 asciilifeform: as in, expensive 'academies' where... something or other.. is taught

02:06:26 mircea_popescu: no wai ?!

02:06:32 mircea_popescu: uh.

02:06:44 *: asciilifeform doesn't have the link handy

02:07:46 BingoBoingo: "Kerness says she sends the manual to anyone who writes to her organization asking for one. Until recently she had no trouble getting the materials into people?s hands, but recently, she says she has started receiving pushback from some facilities."

02:08:24 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: "Get ready for prison" camp is actually a thing is USia

02:08:35 hanbot: west joint?

02:08:57 asciilifeform: l0l!!

02:09:00 mircea_popescu: does it go "kill someone on your first day, the flimsier reason the better, the more blood the better" ?

02:09:39 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo is it like the "baby delivery" school, in that it involves "all family members" for maximal bezzletronicity ?

02:10:01 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Seems to from what I can find on the subject.

02:10:32 BingoBoingo: also a lot of "Eastern" meditate and Zen bullshit

02:11:11 mircea_popescu: do they have pay per view in prison yet ?

02:11:24 BingoBoingo: nah

02:11:43 BingoBoingo: They have cable in the county jail I've heard through reports

02:11:54 mircea_popescu: why not ? bad for the economy.

02:11:55 BingoBoingo: Just extended basic though

02:12:42 mircea_popescu: "No matter how many episodes of Orange Is the New Black you?ve binge-watched, the experience of life behind bars is basically unfathomable to those of us who have only ever known freedom."

02:12:49 mircea_popescu: gtfo, what usian has known freedom ?!

02:13:09 mircea_popescu: they're so fucking free they despair for a guide of "how to behave" in prison.

02:13:17 mircea_popescu: god forbid you misbehave. they may jail you!

02:13:44 *: asciilifeform secret connoisseur of 'rotting in prison' literature. has most of a bookcase - and none is in eng. doesn't know of any in that language worth keeping

02:13:55 BingoBoingo: I've heard reports that county jail isnt so bad, worst part is the stigma from people on the outside

02:14:36 mircea_popescu: ironically, most married with children white collar men i know would actually enjoy prison

02:14:44 mircea_popescu: they're petrified of it, of course, but it'd be a rational move for them.

02:14:53 asciilifeform: how's that

02:15:01 mircea_popescu: state's paying your mortgage, for one.

02:15:14 asciilifeform: not everybody likes buggery..

02:15:18 mircea_popescu: ever seen someone in that demo be BORED ?

02:15:21 mircea_popescu: eh get out.

02:15:31 mircea_popescu: most people don't bother fucking their wives, why do you imagine they'd bother with some dude.

02:15:40 asciilifeform: wai wat

02:15:47 mircea_popescu: ask around.

02:15:55 BingoBoingo: I don't have children so would like to avoid prison and buggery. Still my survival strategy would consist largely of join the first white power gang that comes knocking.

02:15:57 *: asciilifeform checks coordinates, seems like on same planet as mircea_popescu - but wat

02:16:37 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform stop the first woman over 30 you see, ask her if she had sex today.

02:16:53 BingoBoingo: !up nullB

02:17:29 *: asciilifeform would have to leave the bubble dome to do mircea_popescu's suggested experiment

02:17:37 mircea_popescu: why ?

02:18:08 *: asciilifeform on typical day doesn't see any women other than one kept as pet

02:18:26 mircea_popescu: now multiply this by a reddit, and you see where we are.

02:18:42 BingoBoingo: !b 4

02:18:42 assbot: Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2MVQH2F.txt )

02:18:57 mircea_popescu: but it's fine, send the pet out on a fact finding expedition.

02:19:22 BingoBoingo: In USia this is an elite athlete >> http://deadspin.com/cc-sabathia-gained-a-bunch-of-weight-on-purpose-1687422053

02:19:24 assbot: CC Sabathia Gained A Bunch Of Weight, On Purpose ... ( http://bit.ly/1MNVtsM )

02:19:25 asciilifeform: pet could quite likely walk until its legs give out, without finding the fact

02:20:22 mircea_popescu: what if you get 12 out of 12 nos ?

02:20:27 mircea_popescu: will it be a meta-fucking ?

02:20:30 asciilifeform: i can believe this

02:20:41 mircea_popescu: most people don't bother fucking their wives. why'd they bother with some random dude.

02:21:02 asciilifeform: afaik this normally happens because the wife breaks down

02:21:17 mircea_popescu: not to say rape doesn't exist in prison. however, celebrity also exists in california.

02:21:26 mircea_popescu: you can live a whole life w/o running into either just fine.

02:21:31 mircea_popescu: eh bs.

02:21:35 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> most people don't bother fucking their wives. why'd they bother with some random dude. << Prolly so random dude doesn't fuck them. WHy do dogs sniff assholes

02:21:50 mircea_popescu: i never heard of a farmer not milking his cows because "they broke down", or not slaugthering the pigs etc.

02:22:34 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there is not (yet!) an industry in usa devoted to helping pigs slaughter farmers

02:22:41 mircea_popescu: heh.

02:23:03 mircea_popescu: anyway, to make this easier to approach, i would propose the situation depicted in american history x is perhaps the best summary of the situation.

02:23:17 mircea_popescu: there's exactly one rape there, and it comes out of a political struggle.

02:24:01 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> there's exactly one rape there, and it comes out of a political struggle. << Is rape ever anything other than politics?

02:24:26 mircea_popescu: well that's complicated.

02:27:22 mircea_popescu: a while back i ran a "what'd you do with 100k euro" thing on my blog (because some fucktarded populists were "promoting a law" to give every schmuck 20k - romanians don't want living wages, they want universal windfalls)

02:27:37 mircea_popescu: most people that had a decent career etc wanted - 1 year's vacation. and to sleep.

02:27:47 asciilifeform: sleep!

02:27:51 *: asciilifeform salivates

02:28:07 *: asciilifeform has sleep fantasies

02:28:21 mircea_popescu: see ?

02:28:31 mircea_popescu: so they put you in this place, which is fundamentally quiet. you can't be disturbed.

02:28:34 mircea_popescu: think about it.

02:28:40 mircea_popescu: and then... well... you can sleep.

02:28:41 asciilifeform: aha lol in what country

02:28:42 mircea_popescu: you can think.

02:28:50 mircea_popescu: in all countries.

02:28:52 asciilifeform: gotta get really lucky in usa to go straight to supermax

02:28:58 mircea_popescu: solitary is a "punishment"

02:29:07 asciilifeform: (usg term for the classic dungeon where you get to sit alone)

02:29:36 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but understand : there can be no further emergencies.

02:29:40 mircea_popescu: nothing's important.

02:29:59 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> gotta get really lucky in usa to go straight to supermax << Illinois closed its onlu supermax at Tamms not long ago. Now there is only Noisemax unless you go federal

02:30:02 asciilifeform: interestingly, ru supermax is 2 schmucks per cell.

02:30:05 asciilifeform: (modern ru)

02:31:38 asciilifeform: at any rate, the 'eat a horse' effect is at work

02:31:46 asciilifeform: very few people would enjoy actually eating the horse

02:31:53 asciilifeform: or, more to the point, drinking the sea

02:32:00 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: You forget failed Anglos founded USia, roommate jsut means orfice to use as escape from sensory deprivation

02:32:10 mircea_popescu: some time with their thoughts hindered no adult thinker.

02:33:15 mircea_popescu: getting to do it while someone else pays for it - not just the roof and food, but the "whose fault it is!" is ideal.

02:33:51 mircea_popescu: in other news, finally discovered the reason contemporary muzak sucks so bad. http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ln598igfTB1qa258ao1_500.jpg

02:33:52 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1MNWdyc )

02:34:57 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> some time with their thoughts hindered no adult thinker. << No guarentee roommate would be adult thinker

02:35:17 mircea_popescu: eh, what's he gonna do, dance all night ?

02:38:55 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: did the 20k thing ever actually happen ?

02:39:13 mircea_popescu: naw lol

02:39:20 mircea_popescu: nor did any of the guys end up in prison

02:39:29 mircea_popescu: it is the fate of the intellectual to discuss things that shall never be.

02:40:01 asciilifeform: the 'living wage' thing is much closer to things that actually happen, because pumping staight from treasury to rentiers (who jack prices immediately on anything subsidized) is apparently a-ok

02:40:24 asciilifeform: (see the u.s. 'college racket' etc)

02:40:26 mircea_popescu: you gotta understand, you go to jail in romania for being a socialist.

02:40:47 asciilifeform: anyone actually sitting for this at the moment ?

02:41:06 mircea_popescu: well, they released adrian nastase

02:41:09 mircea_popescu: but plenty in yes.

02:41:25 mircea_popescu: (adrian nastase ~= nancy pelosi)

02:42:46 asciilifeform: plenty in 'for socialism' ?

02:42:55 asciilifeform: how's that work - what did they actually -do-

02:43:28 mircea_popescu: be part of the red party.

02:44:40 decimation: re: living wage < in the us, if you sum up everyone on section 8 rent subsidy, medicaid, medicare, social security, mortgage deduction and then us mil, us civil service, you probably have swedish level 'welfare'

02:45:04 mircea_popescu: college aid ?

02:45:10 decimation: if I were president, the first order I would make would be to released the list of everyone who receives money from the list above

02:45:51 asciilifeform: decimation: in general there's nothing secret about who they are - you can mostly tell by street address

02:46:30 decimation: asciilifeform: if you drill, you find that the bureaucracy that disburses these payments is extremely jealous about releasing exact details

02:46:39 decimation: for obvious reasons

02:49:36 decimation: in fact, it's illegal for a real estate agent in the us to tell you how many welfare cases live on a street

02:49:41 decimation: http://homebuying.about.com/od/realestateagents/qt/AgentDuties.htm

02:49:43 assbot: Real Estate Agent - Fair Housing Act Violation ... ( http://bit.ly/1MNX6qu )

02:49:57 BingoBoingo: decimation: Part of the obstacle is there's no unified list

02:50:19 decimation: BingoBoingo: this is no accident

02:50:30 BingoBoingo: decimation: I'm not so sure

02:50:38 BingoBoingo: Could be incompetence

02:50:56 decimation: do the checks arrive monthly? are the ebt cards filled?

02:51:08 decimation: someone has a list of accounts

02:52:17 decimation: if pressed, I'm sure the bureaucracy would bleat that it needs to protect the 'privacy' of the recipient

02:55:02 BingoBoingo: decimation: The problem is separation

02:55:10 BingoBoingo: There's no master list

02:55:18 BingoBoingo: Shit is compartmented to hell

02:55:26 decimation: some of the programs mentioned above are run by the states

02:55:36 decimation: turns out arizona is on my program: http://azdailysun.com/news/state-and-regional/panel-oks-measure-to-release-welfare-recipients-names/article_03e548da-6d5a-5d00-bfab-6b14e8d00ed3.html

02:55:37 assbot: Panel OKs measure to release welfare recipients' names ... ( http://bit.ly/1MNXtBw )

02:58:36 BingoBoingo: Domain naming exercise

02:58:38 BingoBoingo: http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/110165322/bj-upton-switches-name-melvin-baseball-history-name-changes

02:58:40 assbot: MLB stas before and after name changes. | SportsonEarth.com : Tim Healey Article ... ( http://bit.ly/1MNXDZE )

02:58:51 ben_vulpes: so it seems a good exercise would be to release that list of recipients anyways.

03:00:11 mircea_popescu: i imagine a better question would be to ask why the fuck does this matter.

03:00:21 ben_vulpes: to poke the bear?

03:00:32 decimation: mircea_popescu: don't you think shame is a motivator?

03:00:34 ben_vulpes: to let people pick the density of welfare cases in their area?

03:00:35 mircea_popescu: suppose i discover my next door neighbour receives 10 bn pesos from argentine government each week.

03:00:36 mircea_popescu: so ?

03:00:48 ben_vulpes: it's not you, it's the americans.

03:00:51 mircea_popescu: good for her, i guess. or him w/e.

03:01:18 mircea_popescu: well but see ? russian guy comes into play. "why the fuck wouldn't i take money if i can get away with it ? and why aren't you fucking cheering me for it!"

03:01:38 ben_vulpes: yeah, 's always been my attitude.

03:01:42 decimation: perhaps one component is that folks in the us imagine their tax dollars going elsewhere

03:01:46 BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes decimation Honestly I think people who run up bezzel debt and weaken fiat are heros

03:02:03 mircea_popescu: decimation perhaps the delusion here is that the fucking govt is an enemy not an alter ego ?

03:02:13 mircea_popescu: which is really not the fault of poor/lazy/stupid people

03:03:14 decimation: well, if you think the government is an enemy and confiscates your stuff, what do you think about the guy who is wallowing in the proceeds?

03:03:27 mircea_popescu: in any case it's not "your" tax dollars. it's obama's. he already stole them from you.

03:03:30 mircea_popescu: they're his now.

03:03:32 decimation: yes I agree

03:03:41 decimation: the illusion was thinking that were 'yours' in the first place

03:03:46 mircea_popescu: well wtf do i care, some guy steals some back ? more power to him.

03:03:49 mircea_popescu: i hope he steals it all.

03:04:30 mircea_popescu: a bureaucrat, getting paid "fairly" is a problem, yes. but a leech ? a leech is a revolutionary.

03:05:03 BingoBoingo: !b 3

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03:07:16 decimation: there is a large component of america (in the upper classes) that still has a belief that those dollars in their accounts are 'theirs' (in the 'sovereign citizen' sense)

03:07:28 decimation: such an attitude is obviously silly when exposed to any facts

03:08:39 danielpbarron: is it possible to get money from USG without strings attached?

03:08:40 decimation: re: fiat heros < ron paul agrees: http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2015/february/23/the-washington-post-s-gross-mischaracterization-of-ron-paul-s-message/ “Sanity will not return to US leaders until our financial system collapses — an event for which they are feverishly working,” and “Before we can actually restore our liberties, we most likely will have to become a lot less free and much poorer.”

03:08:43 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fmh1HA )

03:09:51 decimation: danielpbarron: well, simply making less than the amount required for the earned income tax credit gives you free money from the irs http://www.irs.gov/uac/Check-Your-Eligibility-for-the-Earned-Income-Tax-Credit

03:09:53 assbot: Check Your Eligibility for the Earned Income Tax Credit ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fmhae2 )

03:10:24 danielpbarron: and you'll need it because that's not enough to live on

03:11:32 decimation: to get the 'whole package', you are going to need to be a minority more than likely

03:12:15 decimation: you want section 8 subsidy for rent (as long as you are poor), food stamps for food (trade stuff on ebay for stuff you want), and medicaid for medical insurance

03:12:53 decimation: the trifecta is social security disability. If you can prove that you are 'unable to work', you will be able to collect social security too

03:13:26 decimation: I think asciilifeform said that the guy who wrote templeos is living on that racket

03:13:26 BingoBoingo: decimation: As TLp notes there are gradients of SSDI and SSI

03:13:30 asciilifeform: to let people pick the density of welfare cases in their area << they already can! (price)

03:13:36 danielpbarron: i'm too lazy for all that work; it's easier to just do something useful in exchange for money

03:14:10 decimation: danielpbarron: yeah it would take a good year or two of concerted effort to con/harass the appropriate 'social workers' into giving you what you want

03:14:31 decimation: plus if you have any history of working at all, you are not gonna make the SSDI

03:14:42 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ...but a leech ? a leech is a revolutionary. << usg welfare folks aren't leeches, they're employees. (what're they paid for? ask tlp.)

03:14:53 mircea_popescu: ok this is the lulziest thing i read al lweek!

03:14:59 mircea_popescu: http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2008/05/the_new_yorker_writes_about_po.html

03:15:00 assbot: The Last Psychiatrist: The New Yorker Writes About Power ... ( http://bit.ly/1MNYMAa )

03:15:13 mircea_popescu: so these total fuckwits imagine they asked a powerful person to... write on their own fucking forehead ?

03:15:24 mircea_popescu: motherfucker, i don't even wear those idiotic card things.

03:15:26 decimation: asciilifeform: re: what they are paid for << not to riot, is my perception

03:15:44 mircea_popescu: last time i was in an access controlled building they had to provide an intern to run behind me holding my fucking card.

03:15:51 BingoBoingo: ;;google truth about SSI

03:15:51 gribble: The Facts About the Social Security Disability Programs | Donna ...: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/donna-meltzer/social-security-disability-programs_b_3014961.html; The Ugly Truth About Social Security Is Revealed - Forbes: http://www.forbes.com/sites/johntamny/2012/06/03/the-ugly-truth-about-social-security-is-revealed/; The Hard, Cold Truth About Social Security - Tax- (1 more message)

03:16:02 BingoBoingo: Google fail

03:16:37 asciilifeform: the guy who wrote templeos is living on that racket << terry davis. and schizophrenia is still one of the more reliable ways a white man can get usg payola. though it's still an 'achievement', on part with getting a $1M research grant on your lonesome

03:17:18 decimation: I'm sure you would need several signed and stamped notes from the 'mental health' chumpatron

03:17:41 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> the guy who wrote templeos is living on that racket << terry davis. and schizophrenia is still one of the more reliable ways a white man can get usg payola. though it's still an 'achievement', on part with getting a $1M research grant on your lonesome << Who knows, if it wasn't for glorious tobacco maybe I'd be on that golden ticket

03:17:48 asciilifeform: the history of never having worked is a plus (though davis worked just once, iirc)

03:18:28 thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: "glorious tobacco" << how so? care to elaborate?

03:19:15 BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Nicotine is neuro protective against certain kinds of wetware failure modes

03:19:43 decimation: http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2012/03/06/exclusive-unmasking-worlds-most-wanted-hacker/ < sabu change employment from welfare division to fbi

03:19:45 assbot: EXCLUSIVE: Unmasking the world’s most wanted hacker | Fox News ... ( http://bit.ly/1MNZ0rf )

03:20:02 mats: do asians qualify for this free money im hearing about?

03:20:06 BingoBoingo: decimation: Old news

03:20:14 asciilifeform: mats: quite certainly not

03:20:16 mats: or do i have to be hispanic or black

03:20:23 mats: bummer

03:20:30 decimation: mats: unfortunately being asian puts you at the bottom of every welfare list

03:20:58 BingoBoingo: mats: Watch telenovas, pick up the accent, and you can prolly pass as a more obscure flavor of hispanic

03:21:11 mats: u rite

03:21:14 decimation: it's well known that asians must perform several points above average to be admitted to 'elite' schools

03:21:15 thestringpuller: decimation: so in theory welfare is racist to asian people.

03:21:23 mats: i can develop a wicked tan

03:21:44 decimation: in theory 'welfare' is colorblind, but in practice it is meant for particular minorities

03:21:52 mats: yeah that's bullshit

03:22:03 BingoBoingo: mats: Wicked tan, roll your r's, and become one with the lawn mower

03:22:06 decimation: look at the list of 'danger words' on that 'fair housing law' that real estate agents must follow

03:22:28 decimation: asking your real estate agent if there are "section 8" renters is considered to be 'racist'

03:22:52 mats: i got a 2k+ SAT score, took 10 odd APs and honors classes

03:23:05 thestringpuller: mats was born after 1988

03:23:07 mats: didn't get into any of my reach schools e.g. columbia

03:23:10 thestringpuller: AMIRITE?

03:23:16 mats: duh

03:23:53 *: BingoBoingo didn't bother with reach schools, went to desperate schools that needed outliers

03:24:56 decimation: https://web.archive.org/web/20110727142404/http://www.mindingthecampus.com/originals/2010/07/how_diversity_punishes_asians.html " On an "other things equal basis," where adjustments are made for a variety of background factors, being Hispanic conferred an admissions boost over being white (for those who applied in 1997) equivalent to 130 SAT points (out of 1600), while being black rather than white conferred a 310 SAT point advantage.

03:24:59 assbot: How Diversity Punishes Asians, Poor Whites and Lots of Others ... ( http://bit.ly/1MNZgGs )

03:24:59 decimation: Asians, however, suffered an admissions penalty compared to whites equivalent to 140 SAT points. "

03:25:22 mats: jesus christ 300 points

03:25:49 decimation: interestingly, that article was 'disappeared'

03:26:44 BingoBoingo: Well, the black test score bump can be explained entirely by the need to fill a competitive handegg team

03:26:53 mats: i poured >500 hours into sat prep only to get trounced by suffering minorities

03:26:57 mats: woe is me

03:27:43 thestringpuller: mats: hey, we suffering minorities have it tough.

03:27:53 BingoBoingo: mats: You know you could have cheated and taken the GRE instead

03:27:53 thestringpuller: mats: actually asians were a majority at the school I went to.

03:28:08 decimation: thestringpuller: that's why they are 'discriminated' against

03:28:19 mats: me too. good competition, lots of white flight.

03:28:34 thestringpuller: mats: get that white girl poonani

03:28:55 mats: i get off on it too buttie

03:29:31 mats: the subconscious domination of a white woman that is

03:29:41 thestringpuller: i blame girls gone wild for that

03:29:52 thestringpuller: and dave attell's insomniac

03:29:56 mats: BingoBoingo: i thought that's for grad school?

03:30:18 BingoBoingo: mats: it is. Admissions counselors don't know it is an easier test though

03:31:02 mats: im not following, why would the score be accepted

03:31:27 BingoBoingo: mats: Because idiots run the offices.

03:31:56 decimation: my experience is that grad school, if worthwhile, is usually paid for by employers or usg

03:32:22 BingoBoingo: decimation: We are jsut talking the admissions test now

03:32:40 decimation: yeah, but there are plenty of schools in the 'degree mill' business - designed to collect these dollars

03:33:07 thestringpuller: "degree mill" sounds a lot like "puppy mill" :(

03:33:21 thestringpuller: luring unsuspecting single moms or something

03:33:51 BingoBoingo: The thing is if you have a brain and can't get a perfect score on the GRE math portion with a BAC under 0.5 I dunno why you'd try college

03:34:00 mats: on the subject, ive been spending my free time with grad students (harvard, fletcher kids) going through IR programs that are feeders to state dept

03:34:26 decimation: mats: see the world, usg pays

03:34:30 mats: ive been playing 'id the spy' for a few weeks and its good fun

03:35:16 BingoBoingo: In the middle west it as more ID the FBI plant

03:35:17 mats: alternatively, 'id the future asset' is also great

03:35:26 decimation: being a usg shill in a foreign country would be depressing as hell

03:35:45 decimation: although they make good money

03:36:03 mats: with hazard pay maybe

03:36:05 BingoBoingo: Because no one at SIUC philosophy or Mizzou's ISLT program was making the CIA

03:36:51 BingoBoingo: <decimation> being a usg shill in a foreign country would be depressing as hell <, For sure, no point traveling if you can't try 50 shades of poon

03:37:48 decimation: mats: I think they get free housing overseas

03:37:58 mats: you couldn't pay me enough to work in a us embassy

03:38:18 BingoBoingo: Block 326760, Fri Oct 24 05:32:44 2014 was OOM kill as I slept last night of indeterminant length

03:38:35 mats: benghazi parts two through twenty will soon be upon us

03:38:52 decimation: mats: but obama totally has your back

03:39:04 BingoBoingo: I'm just glad I didn't do law school

03:39:20 BingoBoingo: Talk about selling your soul

03:39:27 danielpbarron: speaking of oom, pogo just crashed on height=221870

03:39:31 decimation: BingoBoingo: my understanding is that most lawyers don't make much money at all

03:40:05 BingoBoingo: decimation: They don't at all, and on top of it they have obligations.

03:41:27 mats: depends. patent law and contract litigation is lucrative

03:41:46 mats: for the half of lawyers that happen to be employed, that is

03:41:49 BingoBoingo: Still way too many ways for USG to hang an honest barrister

03:41:50 decimation: mats: yeah but only a small number of lawyers 'matriculate' into those professions

03:45:41 ben_vulpes: they're not terribly hard to get into.

03:45:49 ben_vulpes: demand side is huge from ford, intel et al

03:46:01 ben_vulpes: plus all of the 'support'

03:46:17 ben_vulpes: i saw a company offering to "create research equity" for other companies.

03:46:32 ben_vulpes: apparently they expect one to buy a bit of research and put it on the books.

03:46:46 ben_vulpes: this has made me wonder how much "book value" of these big shops is similarly inflated.

03:46:57 ben_vulpes: oh, and let us not forget the "research and development" tax credits.

03:47:15 asciilifeform: housing and discrimination etc << the bans on 'asking wrong question' were enthusiastically pushed by the real estate racket, who were all too happy to have price become the one and only legal selector

03:48:02 decimation: ben_vulpes: apparently the company R&D budget is now to be used for 'merit washing'

03:50:48 ben_vulpes: decimation: oh yes? this i'm not quite familiar with.

03:51:41 decimation: ben_vulpes: I was reacting to your statement about third parties looking to 'create value'

03:52:04 decimation: presumably, the director of the board knows exactly in which 'third party R&D' to 'invest'

03:52:18 *: ben_vulpes had papers and dollars allocated from the semi testing company for "research and development" that largely consisted of stapling together existing systems and handing the whole package off (with specs and partlists) to the production line engineers

03:52:51 ben_vulpes: i learned much from the sage japanese ee in that shop.

03:53:04 ben_vulpes: also the sage american me.

03:53:37 decimation: ben_vulpes: usg will 'pay' for R&D, so "R&D" is what you get :)

03:53:41 ben_vulpes: actually now that i think of it the bulk of my career has been blessed by sages of various stripes who didn't particularly mind my derping around, or at least found me entertaining enough to tolerate.

03:54:05 ben_vulpes: decimation: probably some of my earliest introductions to the bezzle.

03:54:08 ben_vulpes: actually a funny story related

03:54:12 ben_vulpes: legal caught wind of what i was doing

03:54:30 ben_vulpes: because i asked them to put an nda together for a vendor i wanted to communicate some things to

03:54:40 ben_vulpes: hounded me *incessantly* for patent paper work after that point.

03:54:57 ben_vulpes: "but i don't really know that--" "fill out these papers, kid. we'll send you a check and something for your home office wall."

03:55:21 ben_vulpes: 'twas an "innovative" ground plane.

03:55:37 mats: http://aje.io/gys3

03:55:39 assbot: Spy Cables expose 'desperate' US approach to Hamas - Al Jazeera English ... ( http://bit.ly/1EpQE5j )

03:55:46 ben_vulpes: granted, hardware in the wild that did the same thing cost ~1000x what i built, didn't work nearly as well.

03:55:47 asciilifeform: mats: in log

03:55:50 ben_vulpes: but a patent for that thing?

03:56:16 mats: guess i needa catch up huh

03:56:36 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes probably knows 1) how patents are used in modern usa 2) how patentmeisters in megacorps are incentivized to work quota

03:56:44 decimation: ben_vulpes: my understaning is that patents are pretty worthless

03:56:52 decimation: they are only useful to megacorps when warring

03:57:47 asciilifeform: individual patent is about as useful to the megacorp as a particular cone full of radar chaff in a particular ballistic rocket in a particular underground shaft

03:57:47 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: lol i do now.

03:58:05 BingoBoingo: !up shesek

03:58:17 decimation: asciilifeform: there are some rare patents that end up being particularly 'valuable'

03:58:24 ben_vulpes: life is educational if you keep your eyes open, what can i say.

03:58:25 decimation: but it's almost always a 'post hoc' situation

03:58:53 asciilifeform: decimation: just like the cone that takes out wash.d.c will prove to be great soviet roi

03:59:01 decimation: heh

03:59:45 asciilifeform: i know several folks who work or have worked at uspto. they will swear that the only -individuals- still seeking patents are certifiable lunatics

04:00:16 decimation: yeah. a patent is perfectly useless unless you have > $10 mil lawyer budget

04:00:29 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> i know several folks who work or have worked at uspto. they will swear that the only -individuals- still seeking patents are certifiable lunatics << I recently considered taking community college classes just to cross the patent examiner threshold

04:00:49 asciilifeform: they end up filing things like this - http://www.google.com/patents/WO2012090213A2?cl=en

04:00:50 assbot: Patent WO2012090213A2 - Resurrection machine - Google Patents ... ( http://bit.ly/1EpRnnb )

04:00:55 decimation: BingoBoingo: it's not a terrible racket, although probably depressing

04:01:17 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: terrible salt mine

04:01:29 *: asciilifeform at one point almost ended up there

04:01:30 decimation: my understanding is that roughly %100 of patent examiners hope to graduate to become rich patent lawyers

04:01:53 asciilifeform: https://illuminutti.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/us20050027316-resurrection-burial-tomb.pdf << the patent i was actually looking for

04:01:56 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1EpRu27 )

04:01:56 asciilifeform: ^ famous

04:02:01 BingoBoingo: Well, patent agent may have been the right label. Slow news day so slipping into the drink.

04:02:13 asciilifeform: ^ beautiful illustrations

04:02:14 BingoBoingo: Still sad sad racket

04:04:21 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I like the exact right use of a radiator there

04:05:31 BingoBoingo: lol sheet 26

04:06:18 BingoBoingo: Why am I still alive??? Sheet 26 of 63 is the single lulziest thing I have ever

04:07:11 decimation: why did some 'tard burn ~$10k for this thing?

04:08:05 BingoBoingo: decimation: The drawing on sheet 26 justifies everything

04:08:12 asciilifeform: decimation: schizo?

04:08:15 asciilifeform: why else

04:08:37 decimation: asciilifeform: maybe he spent his social security disability money on it

04:08:40 decimation: completing the cycle

04:13:17 BingoBoingo: Worth it

04:16:39 *: BingoBoingo reminds this inconvenience was necessary http://fraudsters.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/fetlife-huesmann-dcma.txt

04:16:40 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1EpTHum )

04:18:44 asciilifeform: 'To properly evaluate the preposterousness of claimant's position, the

04:18:44 asciilifeform: situation is exactly like a situation where a restaurant listing 200 items

04:18:44 asciilifeform: on its menu would attempt to have content removed from a personal blog where

04:18:44 asciilifeform: a patron listed two items from that menu, that he ate, and that gave him

04:18:44 asciilifeform: enterocolitis, on the grounds that the restaurant has some sort of copyright

04:18:45 asciilifeform: interest in the sublist of two items published by the unfortunate patron.

04:18:47 asciilifeform: While it is directly clear why a restaurant in that position would move to

04:18:48 asciilifeform: suppress the publication, it is nevertheless a fraudulent claim aimed at

04:18:51 asciilifeform: infringing the rights of others.'

04:18:55 asciilifeform: ^ mega-l0l!

04:20:28 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu ^ where this was even for ? isp ?

04:20:41 asciilifeform: (re: last paragraph)

04:21:33 ben_vulpes: db entries pulled via curl

04:21:41 asciilifeform: aha

04:21:45 asciilifeform: i recall the original trololol

04:21:51 asciilifeform: but where was the above document for ?

04:22:21 asciilifeform: also does dmca really have the provision for 'complainant must sue before date x'? (ianal!)

04:28:15 asciilifeform: interestingly, even though ianal, i do so enjoy a good hardcopy iso standard (that describes something useful, naturally)

04:28:49 asciilifeform: just got 'ada 95: the language, reference manual, and standard libraries' ansi/iso/iec-8652:1995 in the post

04:28:54 asciilifeform: and it's a work of art

04:29:37 asciilifeform: the pages are numbered like a bible's

04:29:43 asciilifeform: with paragraph indices

04:29:50 asciilifeform: for citing 'chapter & verse' at n00bs

04:30:01 thestringpuller: !up The20YearIRCloud

04:30:55 asciilifeform: and the thing has totality, even more so than common lisp - even character sets are included in the standard

04:31:21 asciilifeform: as in, you can actually program without thinking about any building block that isn't in the book...

04:31:49 asciilifeform: the down side is that you get to essentially write in pascal

04:32:12 asciilifeform: (the similarity is more than skin deep)

04:57:06 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: So in the newest Batman, the valet is the coldest killer

05:09:07 asciilifeform: http://glaciergruff.com/Autonetics.htm << historical interest

05:09:09 assbot: My Aerospace Years ... ( http://bit.ly/1LxUJEN )

05:09:20 asciilifeform: ^ re: 'golden age' usg

05:10:10 BingoBoingo: !up tripleslash

05:10:11 asciilifeform: 'Part of the mathematics of the Kollsman was a search program built into the VERDAN to help the Kollsman find a star, lock on to it, then find a second star and third, to use for triangulation. If I remember correctly, we tracked stars like Canopus, Sirius, and Procyon. I don?t remember for sure. But I do remember that there had to be a most efficient way to find a star. If you knew the time of the day (the G&N could give yo

05:10:12 asciilifeform: u that since it knew Latitude and Longitude), you could find the sun. From the sun, and predetermined celestial positions, you could find the appropriate star in the region. Once you found that star, it was easy find the next one and go back and forth between the two, determining position. Here?s the deal. How do you search for a star, though. The least inefficient way is to use a square pattern. Obviously a diagonal is a cl

05:10:12 asciilifeform: oser distance between two points than a rectangular or square pattern. That still doesn?t help you find a star efficiently once you find the sun and slew to the star. So it was determined that the best, quickest and most efficient search was a ?prolate hypercycloid.? I think you?d call it a clover pattern. Actually it is very special search, and with that shape has the highest percentage of quick find of a star of any

05:10:19 asciilifeform: search pattern.'

05:10:21 asciilifeform: ^ -analogue- star tracker.

05:11:12 danielpbarron: !up shesek

05:11:26 asciilifeform: http://www.ebay.com/itm/191476427032 << l0l. must be common if so cheap on junk market

05:11:28 assbot: B 52D Star Tracker Kollsman Automatic Astro Compass Type MD 1 Astro Tracker | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1LxV4aD )

05:11:29 *: asciilifeform floored

05:17:56 asciilifeform: 'We still have a saying, though, when we saw the Soviets building a copy of the Air Craft Carrier Enterprise, right down to the nuts and bolts?if you lose a document, just go to the Soviets. They have copies of all of it. Our security meant absolutely NOTHING.'

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05:37:05 danielpbarron: http://danielpbarron.com/shesek.log.txt

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05:39:04 asciilifeform: danielpbarron: gold

05:40:05 danielpbarron: ty

05:43:12 asciilifeform: http://www.eutimes.net/2011/07/russia-downs-us-missile-after-norway-obama-secrets-release << vintage tabloid lulz

05:43:15 assbot: Russia Downs US Missile After Norway, Obama Secrets Release | EUTimes.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1w5siqB )

05:47:27 BingoBoingo: !up tripleslash

05:47:44 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: US seems to have surrendered radio quiet

05:47:45 mircea_popescu: decimation: mats: unfortunately being asian puts you at the bottom of every welfare list << yeh azns took ur jerbz.

05:50:03 BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Bautiful mega lol

05:51:05 danielpbarron: feel free to cite in qntra or w/e

05:51:16 mircea_popescu: mats: the subconscious domination of a white woman that is << wait, you her or her you ? dat ambiguity

05:52:44 mircea_popescu: mats: benghazi parts two through twenty will soon be upon us << myeah.

05:52:53 mircea_popescu: the dodo bird makes great quarry.

05:54:01 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: this has made me wonder how much "book value" of these big shops is similarly inflated. << from the recovery practice, one would not usually expect more than about 1% of book value to be recoverable through asset sales.

05:54:19 asciilifeform: 'The only exception is a plan for more extensive practicing of security response tactics at launch silos, a move that requires signed agreements with owners of the private land on which the missile silos are situated.'

05:54:20 asciilifeform: ^ wat!?!

05:54:34 *: asciilifeform ianal but thought 'easements' were sop, even for usg

05:54:47 asciilifeform: (source: vintage lul, http://nypost.com/2014/05/22/air-force-security-failed-nuke-test )

05:54:50 assbot: Air Force security failed nuke test | New York Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1w5uHSd )

05:59:11 mircea_popescu: So bad have things become in the United States that one of their top right-wing commentators named Glenn Beck warned his listeners this week that the Obama regime was turning America into a Nazi-like Third Reich and leading the US into a ?society of gas chambers?.

05:59:12 mircea_popescu: lawl.

05:59:34 asciilifeform: 'crank bait'

05:59:37 mircea_popescu: "Beck?s astounding comments about the Obama regime appear to have merit as London?s Daily Mail is reporting today"

05:59:52 mircea_popescu: pretty good indication of the principle that propaganda works both ways.

06:00:51 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: mircea_popescu ^ where this was even for ? isp ? << well, turns out the datacenter (phoenix nap) refused to forward the counter-notification.

06:01:40 mircea_popescu: they claimed that it's not properly drawn up. meanwhile i discovered that the dc in question (worth ~1.7mn) is actually owned by the same holding company that owns ccbill, which is a "high risk" cc payment processor, which has a business relationship with fetlife.

06:01:53 mircea_popescu: so... we're in settlement talks. which, should they break down, we'll be in court.

06:01:55 asciilifeform: l0l, sp4mc4rdz

06:01:59 mircea_popescu: class action, the works.

06:02:22 mircea_popescu: anyway, a slim chance i end up with my own dc.

06:02:28 asciilifeform: 1.7m << peculiarly small dc

06:02:35 asciilifeform: some schmuck's cellar ?

06:02:36 mircea_popescu: net assets.

06:03:16 mircea_popescu: funny how pulling on a thread firmly unravels whole stacks of shit.

06:03:21 mircea_popescu: "i didn't know they stacked shit that high"

06:03:58 asciilifeform: (where i live, a traditional 19 inch by 40 'u' rack starts at a few $k / mo.)

06:05:00 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: also does dmca really have the provision for 'complainant must sue before date x'? (ianal!) << yes. this is what dmca is substantially : dc gets a claim. if customer responds with counterclaim, they forward it to claimant, who has 10 days to show proof they sued.

06:05:13 mircea_popescu: http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap5.html << if you care.

06:05:14 assbot: U.S. Copyright Office - Copyright Law: Chapter 5 ... ( http://bit.ly/1Eq8Mw4 )

06:05:18 asciilifeform: aha

06:05:45 *: asciilifeform always cared about the details of dmca in much the same way as he cares about the precise voltage of the electric chair he will sizzle in: not particularly

06:06:05 asciilifeform: but here - interesting

06:06:24 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Still Maybe 3 mosins max in "collapse" an I have "longline" tower.

06:06:30 mircea_popescu: well, none of these things matter to the layman until they observe another monkey fashion a club out of it and blooding some faces

06:06:34 mircea_popescu: then it's fascianting.

06:06:55 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what kind of blood do you think to get from the stone ?

06:07:05 BingoBoingo: "Murican" society is sinking. Batman's valet tonight was shot by his war buddie.

06:07:18 mircea_popescu: turtles are not made out of stone.

06:07:29 mircea_popescu: they appear so, to men without good clubs.

06:07:49 BingoBoingo: Tortise shel makes the best ornamentation. Also gets sharp once club is used

06:08:14 mircea_popescu: but the general rule of fist is, "nothing manmade can resist arbitrary pounding"

06:08:48 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> (where i live, a traditional 19 inch by 40 'u' rack starts at a few $k / mo.) << I'm contemplating $200/month for offering welded shut case

06:09:12 *: BingoBoingo is drunk

06:09:29 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: iirc, colo facility doesn't care if you weld you case

06:09:45 asciilifeform: (so long as it isn't messily done on the premises, i suppose)

06:10:04 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: They don't. Still stl isn't asking 4 digits

06:10:49 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> (so long as it isn't messily done on the premises, i suppose) << If was taking torch to pren]mises would have lance of great concrete cutting

06:11:07 asciilifeform: at any rate, only the lucky fellas like mircea_popescu earn the honour of having a mook sent to physically wriggle inside chassis

06:11:28 mircea_popescu: it's not entirely certain that ever actually happened.

06:11:33 asciilifeform: aha see

06:11:42 asciilifeform: still have to work to earn this.

06:11:45 BingoBoingo: Might be possible in USia asciilifeform but geographical arbitrage is a thing

06:12:23 mircea_popescu: lol @ that log. "widespread adoption", such a red herring.

06:12:38 mircea_popescu: nuclear warheads also failed to reach widespread adoption, such a failweapon.

06:12:38 asciilifeform: welding a server is one of those things that 'feels good' out of all proportion to actual military utility

06:12:44 mircea_popescu: ^

06:12:51 mircea_popescu: what exactly is it supposed to do ?

06:13:41 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: when done (rarely!) by sane folks, is generally 'part of a balanced diet' involving various vibration/temp/radiation/etc. sensors and rapid key zeroization

06:14:06 mircea_popescu: so your welding really consists of owning the dc.

06:15:10 asciilifeform: to steal from ed felton, 'you can't build a safe that is to be kept in the robber's living room' - except that some folks must anyway, so they craft safes that will set fire to the money at slightest provocation

06:15:11 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> so your welding really consists of owning the dc. << Ideallu solder and powersupply is chozen such that yes

06:15:23 mircea_popescu: http://36.media.tumblr.com/c888c587c60a5917e2e58830cca6580f/tumblr_mvfuq8PRBY1sqwu1no2_500.jpg << have a nightmare. on me.

06:15:25 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1EqaddV )

06:15:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7350 @ 0.00039479 = 2.9017 BTC [+]

06:15:54 asciilifeform: 'what good is a phonecall... if you've no mouth'

06:16:09 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> http://36.media.tumblr.com/c888c587c60a5917e2e58830cca6580f/tumblr_mvfuq8PRBY1sqwu1no2_500.jpg << have a nightmare. on me <, hard to scare people with Par

06:16:09 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Eqak9f )

06:16:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22862 @ 0.00039912 = 9.1247 BTC [+]

06:17:29 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> to steal from ed felton, 'you can't build a safe that is to be kept in the robber's living room' - except that some folks must anyway, so they craft safes that will set fire to the money at slightest provocation << Shoot for Tepco can not cut without fine

06:18:13 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: at any rate, if you must, use a standard hand-held spot welder

06:18:17 asciilifeform: the kind with the clamps

06:22:50 *: BingoBoingo blind, hates reflexively

06:24:11 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: the kind with the clamps << /me usually solders by plumbing rules. More checks less death by inferno

06:24:25 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: spot weld, not solder

06:24:49 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Who seriously welds a toilet down pipe

06:24:57 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: http://www.jamesriser.com/TrialSpot/Weld0001csm.jpg

06:24:58 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/17QPGC7 )

06:25:02 asciilifeform: toilet - no

06:25:04 asciilifeform: server - yes

06:25:53 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: must understand world here is surplus stupid

06:26:01 asciilifeform: http://www.vista-industrial.com/images/Spot-Welding.gif

06:26:02 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/17QPT8e )

06:26:27 asciilifeform: http://hp9000.blogspot.com/2013/06/see-spot-weld.html << make own

06:26:29 assbot: The Hindenburg Principle: See Spot Weld ... ( http://bit.ly/17QQ1EI )

06:27:34 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: So most teflon I ever saw in my life... was pulling shifts at Mcdonalds...

06:27:50 asciilifeform: where was the teflon ?

06:28:11 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Top side of the clamshell grill

06:28:45 BingoBoingo: Every aspect of "beef" patties was rabot handled

06:29:05 *: asciilifeform the most teflon ever saw is a 1x10 inch rod in his machine room

06:29:29 asciilifeform: yes, you can buy it in machinable rods like anything else..

06:29:40 mircea_popescu: i had teflon wire at some point

06:30:05 cazalla: <mircea_popescu> http://36.media.tumblr.com/c888c587c60a5917e2e58830cca6580f/tumblr_mvfuq8PRBY1sqwu1no2_500.jpg << have a nightmare. on me. <<< sorta reminds me of creepychan

06:30:05 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Eqc6r0 )

06:30:13 asciilifeform: phun phact: it bleeds a little HF when machined.

06:30:31 BingoBoingo: Mcdonalds used teflon in sheets to substitute heat for hygeine at any opportunity

06:32:44 BingoBoingo: But sheets of teflon on clamshell grill, genius

06:33:17 cazalla: do they do the mccafe thing in america?

06:33:34 BingoBoingo: They try

06:37:11 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the rod is milk-white and very smooth, slippery.

06:37:46 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Actually that... Not a thing

06:39:19 mircea_popescu: !up agentbob

06:40:49 *: BingoBoingo sleep nao

06:42:08 BingoBoingo: Nt aware enough to do right

06:48:33 cazalla: wish i had the sense to do that the other night lol

06:49:20 cazalla: i'm taking a sabbatical from drinking in any case

06:49:28 cazalla: (yeah, heard that before)

07:20:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49100 @ 0.00040148 = 19.7127 BTC [+] {4}

07:42:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11604 @ 0.00039774 = 4.6154 BTC [-] {2}

07:43:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17449 @ 0.00042395 = 7.3975 BTC [+]

08:36:51 []bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $150 before April" http://bitbet.us/bet/1123/ Odds: 31(Y):69(N) by coin, 31(Y):69(N) by weight. Total bet: 7.20805692 BTC. Current weight: 98,099.

08:42:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13050 @ 0.00039658 = 5.1754 BTC [-]

10:22:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.00041379 = 1.3241 BTC [+]

10:23:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35300 @ 0.00040907 = 14.4402 BTC [-] {2}

10:27:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 20000 @ 0.00007 = 1.4 BTC [-] {2}

11:55:39 chetty: http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/pakistanis-face-a-deadline-surrender-fingerprints-or-give-up-cellphone/2015/02/23/de995a88-b932-11e4-bc30-a4e75503948a_story.html

11:55:40 assbot: Pakistanis face a deadline: Surrender fingerprints or give up cellphone - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1JGEvh6 )

12:25:22 plonky: the most wtf of today http://presschain.com/decentralized-malware-on-the-blockchain/

12:25:24 assbot: Decentralized Malware on the Blockchain | Presschain ... ( http://bit.ly/1JGKpif )

12:32:13 plonky: soon pedopornography cyphered in the blockchain

12:44:21 cazalla: i'm sure i've read someone already put kiddy porn in it

12:47:03 cazalla: BingoBoingo, you'll love this.. from that getgems app you always talk about :P "So far our app was installed by 2,284 users and an average rating of 4.5 in the play store."

13:04:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24460 @ 0.00040368 = 9.874 BTC [-]

13:14:33 jurov: http://envisage-project.eu/proving-android-java-and-python-sorting-algorithm-is-broken-and-how-to-fix-it/

13:14:35 assbot: Proving that Android’s, Java’s and Python’s sorting algorithm is broken (and showing how to fix it) | Envisage: Engineering Virtualized Services ... ( http://bit.ly/1D7hg6I )

13:15:08 jurov: ^ when anyone wants to complicate an algorithm for performance, hit them with this

13:16:25 Adlai: "sorting algorithm" sounds a bit like "intelligence test"

13:19:43 jurov: heh... i remembered feeble attempts by uni prof "but really, don't call it sorting but ordering"

13:20:10 jurov: nah. sort'em all!!!

13:21:29 danielpbarron: height=223223 vs height=191349

13:24:00 jurov: now i am interested at the exact tradeoff factor "X% faster" vs. "crashes in 1 of Y cases" under which our civilization operates

13:25:11 jurov: as in, aliens land, gather this number and "nah, too big risk, let's move on"

14:16:50 PeterL: !up NomosOne

14:21:30 PeterL: hi y'all, how's #B-A today?

14:23:13 PeterL: !up hollywoodundead

14:24:51 hollywoodundead: thank you

14:25:35 PeterL: yw,np

14:25:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57747 @ 0.00039772 = 22.9671 BTC [-]

14:26:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21453 @ 0.00040368 = 8.6601 BTC [+]

14:31:02 mats: butts

14:31:48 PeterL: butts?

14:32:39 mats: butts.

14:33:47 hollywoodundead: for sure

14:34:24 PeterL: !up Xuthus

14:34:30 PeterL: !up arvicco

14:38:39 mats: http://www.bundesbank.de/Redaktion/EN/Downloads/Publications/Monthly_Report/2015/2015_01_monthly_report.pdf

14:38:41 assbot: Deutsche Bundesbank - Startseite - Monthly Report - January 2015 ... ( http://bit.ly/1zcJLOc )

14:51:06 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all

14:51:15 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 238.39, vol: 5765.82511119 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 231.743, vol: 7836.58021 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 238.78, vol: 23878.03444169 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 236.782052, vol: 131311.13140000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 237.94427, vol: 3.49384746 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 241.83145, vol: 42.26997966 | Volume-weighted last average: 236.886926799

14:54:19 BingoBoingo: cazalla: I'm telling you that is the appcoin scam that will undoo coinfire

15:04:39 BingoBoingo: Block 330204, 100 days left to sync

15:10:05 PeterL: when downloading the blockchain, does the program ask for each block individually, or does it just ask for a starting block and the other node feeds it everything from that point forward?

15:14:25 BingoBoingo: ^ good question

15:14:54 PeterL: or, where in the code might I learn how downloading the blockchain logic works?

15:16:59 BingoBoingo: Where in the code is prolly going to depends on the version, but sync.cpp might be a place to start

15:17:08 BingoBoingo: If your version has that

15:19:18 jurov: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp#2057 PeterL this is what sender does

15:19:19 assbot: Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/main.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1D7EGcr )

15:20:09 jurov: and blocks are received on line 2190

15:29:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13633 @ 0.00038566 = 5.2577 BTC [-]

15:34:42 BingoBoingo: So... Team hilary is really etting a head start on the primary season http://www.dorkly.com/post/72803/is-joe-biden-too-touchy-feely-with-anime-school-girl-constituents

15:34:43 assbot: Joe Biden's Definitely Making These Anime School Girls Uncomfortable - Dorkly Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1D7Ho1i )

15:36:32 jurov: virile males are completely undesirable in usg

15:37:20 BingoBoingo: Seriously

15:39:51 ben_vulpes: <plonky> [] the most wtf of today http://presschain.com/decentralized-malware-on-the-blockchain/ << don't use bitcoin it's dangewous!

15:39:53 assbot: Decentralized Malware on the Blockchain | Presschain ... ( http://bit.ly/1D7IfiN )

15:40:55 BingoBoingo: Bad google http://www.zdnet.com/article/google-bans-explicit-adult-content-from-blogger-blogs/

15:40:56 assbot: Google bans 'explicit' adult content from Blogger blogs | ZDNet ... ( http://bit.ly/1D7IsSS )

15:41:16 jurov: tl;dr: interpol got informed that buttcore 0.10 is out

15:43:43 mats: http://news.yahoo.com/chief-justice-could-again-swing-obamacare-case-governments-060709462--finance.html

15:43:46 assbot: Chief justice could again swing Obamacare case in government's favor - Yahoo News ... ( http://bit.ly/1BlPUz2 )

15:44:29 jurov: when they're jumping, something gotta swing

15:48:11 mats: <plonky> the most wtf of today decentralized-malware-on-the-blockchain << http://www.scribd.com/doc/250009335/A-Novel-Approach-for-Computer-Worm-Control-Using-Decentralized-Data-Structures

15:48:12 assbot: A Novel Approach for Computer Worm Control Using Decentralized Data Structures ... ( http://bit.ly/1D7JGxI )

15:48:14 BingoBoingo: The expanding 'Murican waistline https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/570117968492941312

15:48:16 assbot: Officials say 19 manatees trapped in a Florida drainage system have been rescued, and others escaped on their own. http://t.co/EQAkrPOFql

15:51:13 mats: http://news.clearancejobs.com/2015/02/21/federal-workers-overpaid

15:51:15 assbot: Are Federal Workers Overpaid? - ClearanceJobs ... ( http://bit.ly/1D7KaDK )

16:10:35 BingoBoingo: https://i.imgur.com/4ZA1hua.jpg?1

16:10:36 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1BlZDVO )

16:13:32 BingoBoingo: ;;later tell cazalla See the traffic spike yesterday was the exact middle of my predicted range https://www.quantcast.com/qntra.net

16:13:33 assbot: Qntra.net Traffic and Demographic Statistics by Quantcast ... ( http://bit.ly/1yTZAP9 )

16:13:33 gribble: The operation succeeded.

16:13:57 jurov: any pro poker player around? we need someone who can do quick background check for us

16:14:17 jurov: i'm going afk, pm me

16:17:28 nubbins`: danielpbarron

16:18:10 nubbins`: you follow instructions somewhere for your pogo build?

16:18:26 thestringpuller: nubbins`: its on danielpbarron.com

16:18:39 nubbins`: o! tyvm

16:19:11 thestringpuller: np

16:33:59 asciilifeform: decentralized-malware-on-the-blockchain << lol, yeah, turdware loader wants to wait 3 wks and sift through 40GB to fire 2nd stage payload, sure.

16:34:18 asciilifeform: got a bridge to sell ya.

16:36:23 asciilifeform: incidentally, i suggested this not long after first coming to #b-a.

16:36:29 asciilifeform: -somebody-'s been reading the logs.

16:37:04 thestringpuller: getting a bitcoin client to deploy a payload kept on the blockchain would be a frightening event...

16:37:22 asciilifeform: no mention of diddled clients in the linked piece

16:37:42 asciilifeform: just the fact of keeping turdware (or c&c data) in the blockchain

16:37:43 nubbins`: hopefully they won't find the diddles in our 0.5.3.1

16:37:45 nubbins`: i mean uh

16:37:57 nubbins`: !b 9

16:37:57 assbot: Last 9 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/30TFVRE.txt )

16:38:16 *: nubbins` dusts hands, wanders away

16:38:19 thestringpuller: nubbins` is like guy who will joke about dufflebags of cocaine in trunk of car while crossing border

16:38:26 asciilifeform: l0l

16:38:38 nubbins`: haha

16:38:55 nubbins`: if that doesn't encourage log readers to actually read and absorb the fuckin patches

16:38:58 *: nubbins` shrugs

16:39:51 nubbins`: but seriously though, i don't think we should have merged the foundation tax thing into the code

16:40:04 nubbins`: !b 6

16:40:05 assbot: Last 6 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3TN4YNN.txt )

16:40:06 asciilifeform: wai wat

16:40:13 *: nubbins` cackles

16:40:17 jurov: lol "absorb patches"

16:40:34 nubbins`: y'know, like nicotine

16:40:47 nubbins`: or EMLA!

16:41:26 nubbins`: danielpbarron this stuff is great

16:41:31 nubbins`: such notes

16:41:50 nubbins`: http://www.henrys.com/67130-POGOPLUG-MOBILE-CLOUD-DEVICE.aspx#

16:41:53 assbot: POGOPLUG MOBILE CLOUD DEVICE POGO-V4-A1-01 ... ( http://bit.ly/1A3yKPr )

16:42:07 nubbins`: ^ it's actually cheaper for me to buy it from a henry's store, locally, than online

16:42:09 nubbins`: :0

16:49:00 chetty: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/technology-science/technology/wi-fi-spy-barbie-records-childrens-5177673

16:49:02 assbot: Wi-fi "spy" Barbie records children's conversations - and could be a target for hackers, say experts - Mirror Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1A3zFPJ )

16:49:16 mircea_popescu: https://www.quantcast.com/qntra.net o.O

16:49:17 assbot: Qntra.net Traffic and Demographic Statistics by Quantcast ... ( http://bit.ly/1yTZAP9 )

16:49:22 mircea_popescu: nice going BingoBoingo cazalla lol

16:50:15 *: BingoBoingo guess bump was going to be between 2k and 30k, hit the exact middle

16:50:17 asciilifeform: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000050.html

16:50:18 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1A3zRyp )

16:50:20 asciilifeform: ^ reposted

16:51:02 mike_c: logs are failing me. what was the big hit on qntra?

16:51:25 mircea_popescu: mike_c the name&shame of vcs that did superfish was on slashdot etc

16:51:30 mike_c: ah

16:51:42 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nice.

16:52:08 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron btw, there should be NO references. all text referenced by url should be quoted in the instructions, and link to original.

16:52:23 asciilifeform: statically linked!

16:52:28 nubbins`: beauty!

16:52:33 mircea_popescu: quite.

16:53:01 danielpbarron: k

16:53:34 nubbins`: not coincidentally, footnotes would be an adequate substitute ;p

16:53:39 mircea_popescu: qntra is like, headed for fraudsters traffic levels.

16:53:45 mircea_popescu: i guess it'll soon surpass it.

16:53:48 mircea_popescu: nubbins` :p

16:53:52 nubbins`: XD

16:54:03 nubbins`: mischievous tuesday

16:55:26 mircea_popescu: so ridoinculous btw. there was a time, 10-15 years ago, when something like this would have taken a site down.

16:55:51 mircea_popescu: not anymore. the ddos back in sept was what, 100 to 1k x more visible in server logs.

16:56:08 mike_c: it was nice of that guy to do load testing for qntra.

16:56:16 BingoBoingo: !b 3

16:56:17 assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1FKCPWB.txt )

16:56:19 mircea_popescu: i guess so huh.

16:57:00 mircea_popescu: but people readily ignore this fact. normal traffic ? x ; being linked by all the internet ? a*x. being ddosed ? b*x.

16:57:12 mircea_popescu: where a < 100 and b / a > 100.

16:58:03 mircea_popescu: which both shows the absolute loss of gatekeeper power on one hand and the massive decrapification of the software on the other.

16:58:35 thestringpuller: facebook wants to be the new gatekeeper

16:59:03 thestringpuller: but it's like watching retarded kid on playground wanting to be leader one day as he eats glue.

16:59:05 BingoBoingo: scoopbot -fetch

16:59:24 scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/02/half-million-dollar-ransom-made-in-bitcoin/

16:59:24 thestringpuller: bad scoopbot

16:59:30 thestringpuller: Good scoopbot :D

16:59:47 mircea_popescu: it's just... what it meant being on rotten, or maddox, or drudge coupla decades ago is completely unrelated to what it means being on slashdot, reddit, or w/e today.

17:00:08 mircea_popescu: sort-of like the difference between being a star in hollywood cca 1955 vs being "a star"/waitress in a la diner today.

17:00:22 mircea_popescu: or, for that matter, being times man of the year in 1966 vs being times man of the year in 2006.

17:01:25 nubbins`: there were less men back then

17:01:37 nubbins`: which isn't the point, but a fact nonetheless

17:01:44 mircea_popescu: well that may be. there were certainly less retards chasing the "Social media" dragon.

17:01:48 BingoBoingo: nubbins`: No, there were more men

17:01:57 nubbins`: i'm talking humans with penises

17:02:05 mircea_popescu: there were more women, is fo sho. lotta girlies today.

17:02:10 mircea_popescu: some of them 40+yo.

17:02:13 nubbins`: you pedants!

17:02:17 BingoBoingo: nubbins`: I'm discounting functional retards from that set

17:02:22 nubbins`: natch

17:02:50 mircea_popescu: new pick=up line. "i'm a pedant. wanna wear my pendant ?"

17:02:51 nubbins`: things were more novel back then, too

17:03:06 nubbins`: you think elvis would be the fuckin king if he was born in 1996?

17:03:21 mircea_popescu: he would still be fat

17:03:24 mircea_popescu: phat*

17:03:30 nubbins`: he'd be nobody

17:03:44 nubbins`: because there's no barrier to entering "the" "music" "biz"

17:03:53 nubbins`: all those quotes are intentionally separate

17:03:53 mircea_popescu: see ? it was all captn sanders. i keep sayin' it...

17:04:32 *: mircea_popescu googled it. turns out the man's name was Marvel Jr.

17:04:50 mircea_popescu: no, fuck wrong one. who the fuck was his owner ?

17:05:02 mircea_popescu: iirc elvis was proper collared and everything.

17:05:37 nubbins`: they all were

17:05:44 mircea_popescu: colonel Tom Parker. there we go.

17:05:54 nubbins`: well y'see boys we've got this here fancy recoahdin' studio

17:06:34 nubbins`: guy was taking half by the end, wasn't he?

17:07:23 mircea_popescu: yea

17:07:31 nubbins`: born andreas cornelis

17:07:35 nubbins`: now there's an american name

17:07:35 mircea_popescu: elvis was dumb as rocks, if reports are to be trusted.

17:07:45 mircea_popescu: nah he was finish or danish or something.

17:07:50 nubbins`: no kidding. ever see the dude's movies?

17:07:57 nubbins`: dutch

17:07:59 mircea_popescu: yes, actually, saw a coupla.

17:08:29 nubbins`: oh. andreas cornelis /van kuijk/.

17:08:34 nubbins`: that's dutch, alright

17:09:06 nubbins`: i recall seeing one of the flicks at some god-awful "grand ole" type place in the southern usa

17:09:16 nubbins`: elvis smoking a cigarette while working under a car

17:09:25 nubbins`: then shimmying with the ladies on the beach!

17:09:55 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu> elvis was dumb as rocks, if reports are to be trusted. << And drugged all to hell. Owner screwed the pooch on that one.

17:09:56 mircea_popescu: he has all the sexual projection of a highschool retard.

17:10:25 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i may be like, the first owner in human slavery history to actually discourage drug use by teh chattel.

17:10:30 nubbins`: "braaaaaaiiih!" -elvis

17:10:39 mircea_popescu: owner was just buying ibm in elvis' case.

17:10:41 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> he has all the sexual projection of a highschool retard. << "non-threatening" 1950's USia was retarded in this way

17:10:43 nubbins`: "hurmalurmalurm" -elvis

17:10:54 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo that IS true.

17:12:22 mircea_popescu: nubbins` Jailhouse Rock was ok as far as that goes.

17:12:29 mircea_popescu: he made a bunch of "good for blowjobs" movies.

17:12:37 mircea_popescu: russ meyer, like.

17:12:39 nubbins`: actually what i've been humming since that "braaaaaaaih" earlier

17:13:09 mircea_popescu: lol

17:13:28 nubbins`: hm, accidentally opened windpipe while drinking

17:13:30 nubbins`: brb paper towels

17:13:36 mircea_popescu: he played the most fucktarded names too. deke. vince. etc

17:13:56 mircea_popescu: i think he was a chad once too

17:14:19 mircea_popescu: todd gack mysteriously missing.

17:15:46 nubbins`: the other day i watched a docu about a florida election worker who was lynched

17:15:59 nubbins`: "hanging chad", 3/5

17:16:00 pete_dushenski: scoopbot -fetch

17:16:01 mircea_popescu: by elvis ?

17:16:17 nubbins`: rimshot.mp3, just kidding

17:16:36 pete_dushenski: ;;later tell peterl who do i have to blow to get contravex and scoopbot talking to each other ?

17:16:37 gribble: The operation succeeded.

17:16:58 nubbins`: pete_dushenski yourself, paste imgur here

17:17:28 pete_dushenski: well why didn't you just say so ? ;)

17:17:49 mircea_popescu: lol

17:17:54 nubbins`: what was it, mad men? "who'd you have to fuck to get this office?" "myself"

17:18:05 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Probably the best way to solve this problem is to look at how blogs that play nice with scoopbot do RSS and crib off of that

17:19:15 pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/feed/ << doesn't work somehow ?

17:19:16 assbot: Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1A3DeWm )

17:20:10 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski maybe your rss feed's too long ?

17:20:47 pete_dushenski: weird thing is: bablogs.btcscoop.com seems to have no problem with it

17:20:47 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Maybe like thestringpuller's it is missing a field?

17:22:17 pete_dushenski: i just noticed that each article in the feed was set to show "full text"

17:22:20 pete_dushenski: now chaned to "summary"

17:22:23 pete_dushenski: changed

17:22:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35179 @ 0.00038477 = 13.5358 BTC [-] {2}

17:22:51 pete_dushenski: in any event: http://www.contravex.com/2015/02/24/this-is-how-we-date-now-because-this-is-how-we-fail-now/

17:22:52 assbot: This is how we date now because this is how we fail now. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1JHOPp4 )

17:23:53 pete_dushenski: "Erik is a famous individual of the Bitcoin community online forum (screen title- evoorhees), as well as presently benefits Coinapult, derived in Panama." << lulziest spam comment i ever did see

17:24:15 pete_dushenski: posted on my paper wallet guide, which in no way mentions voorhees

17:24:30 mircea_popescu: prolly spun text

17:24:47 pete_dushenski: a must be that

17:24:55 mircea_popescu: (what the bots do these days is crib facebook for textual content, hack it together and use it as spam filler to fool bayesian filters. which are STILL a stupid fucking idea)

17:25:44 mircea_popescu: scoopbot -fetch

17:25:46 pete_dushenski: i seem to recall there being a fraudsters on spam filtering

17:25:54 mircea_popescu: a few yeh

17:26:06 pete_dushenski: http://fraudsters.com/2013/effectual-spam-filtering-for-wordpress/

17:26:07 assbot: Effectual spam filtering for WordPress pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1A3DXXm )

17:26:14 pete_dushenski: ^ the one i was thinking of

17:27:03 mircea_popescu: aha sounds like it

17:31:47 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all

17:31:53 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 238.3, vol: 5909.75632155 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 232.091, vol: 8210.31175 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 238.34, vol: 23504.59916274 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 236.707548, vol: 132421.46550000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 238.0, vol: 3.23426211 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 234.890000011, vol: 54.80316614 | Volume-weighted last average: 236.765056335

17:33:36 mircea_popescu: that article of course was in 2013. meanwhile it's no longer 18`219 spam comments out of 96`421 total, it's 29`704 out of 112`367 total.

17:33:49 nubbins`: anyone happen to have familiarity with zero-tuition universities, specifically euro ones, specifically how they came to ditch tuition?

17:33:50 mircea_popescu: so they did go from under 20% to over 20% in the interval.

17:34:32 pete_dushenski: nubbins` probably donations from alumni

17:34:34 mircea_popescu: nubbins` generally you don't have to pay if you're very very good. at least the ones i'm familiar with.

17:34:45 nubbins`: hmm

17:34:54 mircea_popescu: same reason women don't have to pay to go to a club, especially if they go naked.

17:35:02 nubbins`: i mean like countries where post-secondary is free, for everyone

17:35:12 mircea_popescu: that doesn't exist irl.

17:35:22 mircea_popescu: used to be, but soviet russia & friends.

17:35:29 pete_dushenski: if it did, it'd just be grades 13-17

17:36:03 nubbins`: i feel like an educated populace isn't a terrible idea, as long as it's educated in things that aren't fucking out to lunch

17:36:19 nubbins`: i.e. your ph.d. in medieval folklore would definitely not be free

17:36:20 mircea_popescu: the way to do that is forbid louts from having sex.

17:36:44 nubbins`: available, perhaps, if there are enough of you to pull a couple classes together

17:36:49 mircea_popescu: nah, that i can see paying for. what i can't see ever paying for is "social studies", "womens studies" etc.

17:37:21 mircea_popescu: ie, "things with political importance".

17:37:25 nubbins`: so suppose we say "free university for anyone who wants to study STEM"

17:37:26 nubbins`: but it's not free

17:37:41 nubbins`: because if there wasn't a catch, it'd just be a boondoggle

17:37:48 mircea_popescu: stem should in principle never be free.

17:38:05 mircea_popescu: because the only reason it exists is that it's useful. if useful can't pay useful can go hang.

17:38:16 mircea_popescu: meanwhile, things that exist because thery're beautiful may get a pass.

17:38:18 pete_dushenski: free stem turns to religion

17:38:24 nubbins`: instead, it's the same cost it is *now*, except the government would pay the minimum monthlies on your student loans for as long as you remain in (the province, city, state, w/e)

17:38:24 mircea_popescu: ^

17:38:43 mircea_popescu: think about it. who will remain ?

17:38:47 mircea_popescu: all the schmucks that can't leave.

17:38:50 mircea_popescu: why do you want them ?

17:39:09 mircea_popescu: this is exactly like suicide : the people who succeed we want. the people who fail should have succeeded.

17:40:29 nubbins`: hm.

17:40:41 punkman: nubbins`: i mean like countries where post-secondary is free, for everyone << Greece is one

17:40:43 nubbins`: why, indeed, would i want a bunch of fresh grads kicking around

17:40:51 nubbins`: punkman AAH FINE FORGET IT

17:40:56 nubbins`: D:

17:41:02 punkman: ;)

17:41:07 mircea_popescu: punkman what, srsly ?

17:41:14 mircea_popescu: no grade requirement, no nothing ?

17:41:24 punkman: yep, 4 year degrees, masters, PHDs

17:41:31 punkman: no there are grades

17:41:51 mircea_popescu: no but i mean, do you qualify for free degree irrespective of any exam, grades, etc ?

17:41:53 mircea_popescu: you just need a pulse /

17:42:01 punkman: as in "uni entrance national exams" grades

17:42:05 punkman: yes just pulse

17:42:07 mircea_popescu: ah well.

17:42:10 mircea_popescu: um.

17:42:18 punkman: and until now you could take 10 years to do 4 year degree

17:42:19 mircea_popescu: well which is it!

17:42:37 mircea_popescu: heh. greece, the least rich eu country, adheres to nubbins` ideals!

17:42:52 punkman: there are grade requirements for entry into uni, based on demand

17:42:53 nubbins`: speak not of my ideals!

17:43:21 mircea_popescu: naked woman just bent to pick up my garbage. i forget, what were we saying ?

17:43:28 punkman: if you get in, it's all free. might have to pay for some books these days

17:44:25 mircea_popescu: anyway. this is kind-of how it worked in all teh warsaw pact. except back then people actually had nothing better to do with their time, (LIKE IN A PRISON, ALF!) so they studied.

17:44:40 mircea_popescu: and read and like, bought classical records.

17:45:52 nubbins`: anyway outmigration is a big thing here

17:46:03 nubbins`: and the usual is to get a degree (cheapest in the country!) and then fuck off

17:46:35 mircea_popescu: yeah but this can't be fixed administratively.

17:46:41 nubbins`: no kidding

17:47:01 pete_dushenski: nubbins` outmigration out of maritimes or out of the country ?

17:47:02 nubbins`: like you said, if the $150/mo student loan payment is the thing keeping someone here...

17:47:07 mircea_popescu: if you want to fix it, what you do is, you pick a pimp, give him legal immunity for a decade, let him build cabaret street.

17:47:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13300 @ 0.00038058 = 5.0617 BTC [-] {2}

17:47:13 nubbins`: pete_dushenski out of twodogland, specifically

17:47:15 mircea_popescu: bare cunts dancing!

17:48:08 pete_dushenski: nubbins` ya well administration after graduation is very much closing the barn doors after the horses have left

17:48:20 nubbins`: in other news, the whole "we have oil, let's spend money" thing has given way to "the price of oil is out of our hands, let's aww fuck it's too late"

17:48:23 pete_dushenski: admin before getting in (barriers to entry) can work

17:48:43 nubbins`: the school system is a pretty big barrier to entry

17:48:48 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski the only thing that can work is making the place be cool. merely "not suck" is not good enough.

17:49:14 mircea_popescu: have "toss the feminist" festivals, people (that aren't retards) may wanna come.

17:49:17 nubbins`: it is cool, but it just can't pay manual laborers $70k/year

17:49:21 mircea_popescu: otherwise... whatever, anonimity is hard.

17:49:29 mircea_popescu: nubbins` lol the other kinda cool.

17:49:51 nubbins`: it is the other kind ;(

17:50:15 mircea_popescu: no it's not lmao.

17:50:18 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2015#1031876 << good point.

17:50:18 assbot: Logged on 24-02-2015 13:24:00; jurov: now i am interested at the exact tradeoff factor "X% faster" vs. "crashes in 1 of Y cases" under which our civilization operates

17:50:49 mircea_popescu: im curious too, vicariously. if you figure it out say.

17:52:32 pete_dushenski: i'd argue that uni is currently very 'cool'

17:52:35 pete_dushenski: or at least fashionable

17:52:39 mircea_popescu: nubbins` how did you get the idea twodogs is cool as in, someone'd want to move there as a thing to do, rather than "whatever, they are giving out money here"

17:53:02 pete_dushenski: this seems to accomplish the objective of keeping an inflated population off the streets and little more

17:53:10 mircea_popescu: uni being cool don't enter into it. florida and arizona party schools are very cool, i would visit, i would not ever stay lmao

17:53:49 pete_dushenski: ok so 'the place' isn't uni ? what is it ?

17:54:13 mircea_popescu: back when new york was cool, it was principally broadstreet.

17:54:33 mircea_popescu: generally, it's the "bare cunts dancing" district that makes or breaks a city's cool.

17:54:53 nubbins`: mircea_popescu i'll blithely respond by gesturing to all the people in my life who came here by chance and never left again 8)

17:55:19 mircea_popescu: you just opened yourself for a pile of rocks thrown eh.

17:55:23 mircea_popescu: any cool people among them ?

17:55:25 pete_dushenski: so you'd want to visit nyc then

17:55:33 nubbins`: none as cool as, say, you

17:55:37 pete_dushenski: but like arizona state or w/e, not stay

17:55:51 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski incredibly enough, it's not how that works.

17:56:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14756 @ 0.00038411 = 5.6679 BTC [+] {2}

17:56:18 mircea_popescu: somehow "cuntslime on every rock" makes a place want you to stay. which is exactly why las vegas exists.

17:56:19 pete_dushenski: so cities =! schools

17:56:58 pete_dushenski: but vegas is also god awful

17:57:26 pete_dushenski: pretty much on par with nyc

17:57:34 mircea_popescu: how awful it is has no bearing on how cool it is. new york sucked at all points.

17:57:39 mircea_popescu: so did london, so did rome. etc.

17:58:52 mircea_popescu: http://www.zdnet.com/article/google-bans-explicit-adult-content-from-blogger-blogs/ << heh. aren't you glad you followed fraudsters biases and never touched that shit.

17:58:53 assbot: Google bans 'explicit' adult content from Blogger blogs | ZDNet ... ( http://bit.ly/1ae1osl )

17:59:55 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu seems like this is also how calgary is cool but largely sucks

18:00:19 mircea_popescu: i don't think it ever reached the level. i mean it's been trying, ever since the 80s winter games etc. but...

18:00:23 mircea_popescu: it's not easy, being cool.

18:01:14 pete_dushenski: it's endlessly sprawling and full of self-important consumers, but the stampede draws out the ladies

18:01:35 mircea_popescu: this is in no sense what i said, however.

18:01:55 mircea_popescu: ladies that take "drawing out" are the anticool.

18:02:11 pete_dushenski: ha!

18:02:18 pete_dushenski: well said

18:02:56 pete_dushenski: in that sense, it's really only vegas that strikes me as a cool place on the continent

18:03:22 mircea_popescu: not really, not anymore. not since hughes bought the cool people out.

18:03:36 mircea_popescu: http://hwcdn.net/t3r3e5a7/cds/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/240215tsa1.jpg << in other news... tsa now outsourcing their idiocy to airlines.

18:03:36 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1ae2Zyc )

18:03:50 mircea_popescu: because hey, why should you get blamed for doing something stupid ? force others to do it for you!

18:04:28 pete_dushenski: in the sense that cool is relative, vegas, for all its abhorrence, is still cooler than whatever else there is

18:04:39 pete_dushenski: by your definition

18:04:43 mircea_popescu: https://tsaoutofourpants.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/corbett-v-tsa-iii-petition.pdf some corbett dude is really going after teh tsa.

18:04:45 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1ae3hVO )

18:05:00 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski i can see that point yeah.

18:05:22 mircea_popescu: problem is, it's like money : either you have fully monetized cool, and then it's cool and that's that, suck it.

18:05:30 pete_dushenski: re: tsa outsourcing, 'tis basically just el-al protocol

18:06:03 mircea_popescu: or else you have partially unmonetized cool, and then there's different cools vying. like, las vegas is the cool for people like liz blakely. however, san diego is the cool for people like leah mcfuckface, what's her name

18:06:13 mircea_popescu: the dumb newsweek goon that "discovered" satoshi

18:06:27 pete_dushenski: even qantas did this recently: 'are you carrying more than $10k in monies' and 'are you a tewowist' thing

18:06:55 pete_dushenski: mcgrath ?

18:07:03 mircea_popescu: such nuts. "wtf dude it's not your business how much money i got"

18:07:05 mircea_popescu: yeah that.

18:07:23 pete_dushenski: super such nuts.

18:07:44 pete_dushenski: felt like they were trying to protect their dollar from alien invaders or something

18:08:04 pete_dushenski: el-al at least sticks to 'oh so you were on kibbutz for 2 months, what's the hebrew word for milk ?'

18:08:16 pete_dushenski: qantas was a whorish imitation

18:08:27 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2015#1031906 << wtf nation of fucking otakus over there or what ?! it's like the 5th grade, "o may gawd he grabbed her butt!!" of fucking course he did. what did you think it's for ?

18:08:27 assbot: Logged on 24-02-2015 15:34:42; BingoBoingo: So... Team hilary is really etting a head start on the primary season http://www.dorkly.com/post/72803/is-joe-biden-too-touchy-feely-with-anime-school-girl-constituents

18:09:05 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski "it wasn't a diary kibbutz, it was a bombs and explosives kibbutz. DIE GREAT SATAN!!!"

18:09:21 pete_dushenski: lmao!

18:10:26 pete_dushenski: p.s. who is liz blakely ?

18:10:32 mircea_popescu: a decade or w/e ago i last visited the us, they wanted to know if i have any real clothes.

18:10:47 mircea_popescu: i guess this qualifies in the same line. but at least it was fucking customs, not the airline.

18:10:57 mircea_popescu: honestly, it looked more like a private concern of the guy's.

18:11:21 pete_dushenski: 'real clothes' ? wtf is that ? were they suspicious of the gypsy with money braided in his fro ?

18:11:35 mircea_popescu: lol. i had suits and white shirts etc.

18:11:40 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Did you not have your TSA approved paper gown?

18:11:51 mircea_popescu: i never saw the tsa, somehow.

18:12:10 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2015#1031908 << very desirable, as shown by the infantile giggling reaction to even a faint whiff.

18:12:10 assbot: Logged on 24-02-2015 15:36:32; jurov: virile males are completely undesirable in usg

18:13:51 mircea_popescu: "In any business, including the Federal Government" << check it out ?! it's a business now ?

18:13:59 mircea_popescu: "we're in the business of fucking shit up!"

18:15:50 *: pete_dushenski would love to see the catholic church, or similar, admit the same

18:23:47 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2015#1031922 << this is fucking insane. "federal employees are not overpaid because federal govt is a business except it's not a business, and other businesses that are businesses skew the business average data!!!! federal employees are not overpaid by comparison to federal employees, in fact thjere's a perfect 1:1 correspondence"

18:23:47 assbot: Logged on 24-02-2015 15:51:13; mats: http://news.clearancejobs.com/2015/02/21/federal-workers-overpaid

18:24:00 mircea_popescu: where the fuck do these idiots go to school ? clearly it must be a special venue.

18:24:48 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2015#1031939 << duh.

18:24:48 assbot: Logged on 24-02-2015 16:36:29; asciilifeform: -somebody-'s been reading the logs.

18:30:15 pete_dushenski: especially when it pops up so readily on teg googles

18:30:43 pete_dushenski: the lulzy thing about federal, and other gov employees, is that they think they're underpaid!

18:31:08 mircea_popescu: well they ARE doing a great job at fucking shit up

18:31:26 pete_dushenski: they imagine that private contractors, who charge millions of dollars for various and sundry services, are making mad bank

18:31:40 mircea_popescu: that's not the problem.

18:31:51 pete_dushenski: while the private ceo's might be, the average gov emplyee is better paid and works less than the private contractor

18:31:52 mircea_popescu: they imagine that if they were in the private sector, they'd be contenders for vp of jpm

18:32:00 mircea_popescu: rather than struggle to make it as a janitor at mcd.

18:32:05 pete_dushenski: lol right

18:32:22 pete_dushenski: the only published salaries for private employees are 7 figures

18:32:22 mircea_popescu: just like pansy ass middle class priss imagines if she were a street hooker she'd dazzle everyone with her charms.

18:32:24 mircea_popescu: and on it goes.

18:32:43 pete_dushenski: and they imagine that their 6 would become 7 if only they were paid what they're worth

18:32:51 pete_dushenski: and yet, they don't leave

18:32:59 mircea_popescu: part of the problem is that they have plenty of time to daydream.

18:33:14 mircea_popescu: which is how bad 'regulations" come about too.

18:33:30 pete_dushenski: 'this is how it COULD work'

18:33:42 pete_dushenski: they'd be better off writing children's books

18:34:03 mircea_popescu: as long as no children actually read the abominations.

18:34:04 pete_dushenski: which, i suppose is what gov regulations really are

18:34:28 pete_dushenski: they're for the child-at-heart-and-at-head

18:34:56 pete_dushenski: so 'think of the children' is perfectly valid in this la-la-land because it equates to 'think of me'

18:35:19 pete_dushenski: and what child doesn't think that they're the centre of the known universe ?

18:35:27 pete_dushenski: hint: one without parents

18:35:44 mircea_popescu: http://41.media.tumblr.com/850b5f8b02361ba9af41da92e628c270/tumblr_n2m23xkF1l1s9749uo9_1280.jpg one. http://41.media.tumblr.com/5eaa8bc7affa0a7bbfd1a3cb7b611a9c/tumblr_n2m23xkF1l1s9749uo6_1280.jpg two http://41.media.tumblr.com/5b8e0f5dcf3de1f5a64b9080bd4d4b7e/tumblr_n2m23xkF1l1s9749uo3_1280.jpg three

18:35:46 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1BO2si3 )

18:35:48 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1BO2tTe )

18:35:50 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1BO2u9C )

18:37:55 gabriel_laddel: And also for the American Universities the tide may be turning. Traditionally they have been asked to train the work-force for the American industry, while the question of educating the industry so as to be worthy of their graduates was left untouched. But, currently, companies in Silicon Valley seem to be folding up at a higher rate than they are erected. I consider that good news because it could drive home the me

18:37:55 gabriel_laddel: ssage that neither slogans like "knowledge-based decision aids", nor a combination of adhoccery and brute force will do the job. (It is regrettable that large groups only come to their senses after their day-dreams have turned into nightmares but, this being so, we should occasionally welcome the nightmares.)

18:37:56 gabriel_laddel: -- http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/EWD/transcriptions/EWD08xx/EWD898.html

18:37:57 assbot: E.W. Dijkstra Archive: The threats to computing science (EWD898) ... ( http://bit.ly/1D8bF05 )

18:38:17 mircea_popescu: ahahahaha

18:38:36 mircea_popescu: wait wait, the industry is to be trained to be worthy of all the outpouring social studies experts ?

18:38:37 mircea_popescu: epic.

18:39:20 mircea_popescu: yes, silicon valley is going to fail. this is BECAUSE OF US. nothing else.

18:39:43 gabriel_laddel: bonus: http://www.shadbase.com/smells-like-teen-spirit/

18:39:45 assbot: Shädbase - Smells Like Teen Spirit ... ( http://bit.ly/1D8bQIS )

18:41:11 mircea_popescu: no doubt in my mind they'll actually do it. nothing else they could do.

18:41:14 mircea_popescu: such glorious.

18:42:19 mircea_popescu: wasn't dijkstra dead tho ?

18:43:00 gabriel_laddel: nah, he lived until into the 2ks iirc

18:43:02 mircea_popescu: 1984 speech

18:43:36 mircea_popescu: well, in THAT context his quote means substantially something else than what i took it to mean, made 30 years later.

18:47:45 gabriel_laddel: eh, not much has changed in the intervening years. s/moocs/knowledge-based decision aids

18:47:57 gabriel_laddel: "the tumor has grown"

18:48:01 gabriel_laddel: surprise

18:48:30 mircea_popescu: a lot has changed actually. in 1980s the battle was on to get ibm to stop fixating on "ibm men wear suits" to the detriment of all else.

18:48:50 mircea_popescu: today the issue is more "who is going to deliver the 500`000`000 beatings needed by these idiot kids"

18:49:30 gabriel_laddel: Hm. Seems to me that it

18:50:16 gabriel_laddel: 's the same problem. Lack of contact with reality. Without a war or some such you'll have a class of people who revert to judging others by their suits/hoodies/lack of personality

18:50:52 gabriel_laddel: That class has grown considerably, right along with inflation.

18:51:18 mircea_popescu: perhaps. tho the "ibm look" of the 1980s was more of a testament of obedience, much in the manner an [insecure] master may mandate slavegirls wear collars.

18:51:26 mircea_popescu: whereas the hoodies of 2010 are a testament of anomie.

18:51:41 mircea_popescu: "we could be creative, there's certainly nothing keeping us from it" sorta thing

18:52:07 gabriel_laddel: Another interesting EWD for those who've not had the pleasure of reading Dijkstra: http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/EWD/transcriptions/EWD11xx/EWD1175.html

18:52:08 assbot: E.W.Dijkstra Archive: The strengths of the academic enterprise (EWD 1175) ... ( http://bit.ly/1D8dLwR )

18:52:09 mircea_popescu: "so they why aren't you ? why is it still the same three kiddie pools you're threading all over ? they're muddy and green ffs!" "sshh!"

18:55:21 mircea_popescu: The final reason for my refusal is that the habit appeals to the quantitative mind and I come from a culture in which the primarily quantitative mind does not evoke admiration. [A major reason that we considered Roman Catholics to belong to a lower class was precisely their quantitative bent: they always counted, number of faithful, number of days in purgatory, you name it.....]

18:55:35 mircea_popescu: an interesting point, tho im not entirely sure what value it carries. warp and weft, as he says.

18:58:38 mircea_popescu: " (If you even wondered why I did not join Disneyland or IBM, you now know why. )" << gabriel_laddel see ? right there.

19:01:01 gabriel_laddel: I had that quote in the scratch buffer right along with some others prior to posting in the chat. Did read.

19:02:20 gabriel_laddel: It seems to me that again, the basic mechanism is the same. But then again, I wasn't there, and surely cannot comprehend the suit fetish in its full absurdity.

19:02:46 mircea_popescu: anyway, thank god dijkstra died and i don't have to read 2014 abominations from him like i have to read 2014 "manifest destiny" abominations from buffett.

19:03:05 mircea_popescu: it's always sad when a great mind dies. it's worse when it just goes dark and keeps on living.

19:03:32 gabriel_laddel: ;; google sickboy's theory of life

19:03:33 gribble: Sick Boy's Unifying theory of life - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQD-dXfHrvk; Trainspotting (4/12) Movie CLIP - Sick Boy's Theory of Life (1996) HD: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnAR2qB24yQ; Trainspotting (1996) - FAQ - IMDb: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0117951/faq

19:03:37 mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel you readily can. it's like trying to keep a 16yo girlfriend today. think of that, you have the model.

19:03:41 mircea_popescu: stupidity never ever changes, at all.

19:04:49 gabriel_laddel: "The intelligence level shifts because the experience level shifts. Warren speaks on his experience from 1930 – Jay is from a different culture and different time in history. His intelligence should be measured by the decisions that he makes, not by stories he tells of his previous environment. Just the fact that he is making the decision to surround himself with a mentor like warren buffet should tell you a lo

19:04:49 gabriel_laddel: t about this young man. His net worth of 607MM should say a lot to."

19:04:54 gabriel_laddel: hahahaha

19:06:11 BingoBoingo: ;;google "Universe 25"

19:06:12 gribble: CABINET // The Behavioral Sink: http://www.cabinetmagazine.org/issues/42/wiles.php; Behavioral sink - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behavioral_sink; 5 Sci-Fi Dystopias We've Actually Created (For Animals) | Cracked ...: http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-sci-fi-dystopias-weve-actually-created-for-animals/

19:06:25 gabriel_laddel: (I googled "buffet manifest destiny")

19:06:50 BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field

19:06:55 ascii_field: danke BingoBoingo!

19:08:02 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: you just need a pulse << not how it worked in ussr. sadistic entrance exams (for sci degree, that is. not for meritwash of apparatchik children, that was done american-style)

19:10:17 mircea_popescu: ascii_field obviously not. i was asking him about his country today.

19:10:32 ascii_field: there's a country where they have this ?

19:10:37 mircea_popescu: otherwise, about one 18 yo girl per 1000 killed herself (chiefly by hanging) for having done a poor job on the exames.

19:10:45 ascii_field: straight to jp

19:10:48 ascii_field: where this is sop

19:10:53 mircea_popescu: imo this is the mark of a good exam. if you don't get 1 female suicide out of 1k, you'e not really doing an exam.

19:11:04 ascii_field: sounds pathetically low

19:11:37 mircea_popescu: who the fuck is "jay"

19:11:47 mircea_popescu: and who the fuck "surrounds themselves" with mentors. is this jay's movie ?

19:11:50 ascii_field: you get 1 of 1000 at 'standard temperature and pressure' in some places

19:12:24 mircea_popescu: ascii_field no, it's 1 per 10k normally, and notice the age specification. you'd get about 1 to 300k 18yo suicides normally.

19:13:43 nubbins`: hm

19:13:58 *: ascii_field is listening to a '3d printer' go, and it's strangely hypnotic - like 'dot matrix' printer but less grating on the ear

19:14:20 nubbins`: i saw this ridiculous youtube ad about this asshole with an obv rented lambo

19:14:26 nubbins`: talking about how he found 5 mentors!

19:14:35 nubbins`: and he can now teach you their secrets

19:14:51 ascii_field: at this point i can tell the topology being printed by the sounds, though not the geometry, and it's creating a strange picture in head

19:15:31 nubbins`: the logical conclusion is 10 of them performing the imperial march

19:15:40 ascii_field: eh already done

19:15:44 punkman: I didn't explain well before, here's how it works: 1. last year of high school you, national exams. 2. you make ordered list of unis you'd like to study at 3. exam grades and minimum grade for each uni are published. 4. congratulations, you got your 27th choice.

19:16:04 punkman: and you kinda have to be an amoeba to not get in some uni

19:16:14 nubbins`: wake me up when they can play rachmaninoff ;p

19:17:23 mircea_popescu: punkman thats exactl;y how it works everywhere, romania, france. "bacalaureat" is the proper term, tho prolly greeks don't use it ?

19:17:36 thestringpuller: ascii_field: you're leaving your house quite often these days. I thought you may have developed agoraphobia.

19:17:40 mircea_popescu: in any case, it's a great system, but a) most kids have to pay and b) i forget.

19:17:46 ascii_field: thestringpuller: wurk

19:18:06 mircea_popescu: nubbins` tu du du duuuum tu du duu duuuum

19:18:14 ascii_field: ^ aha

19:19:34 mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGU1P6lBW6Q

19:19:36 assbot: Richard Wagner - Ride Of The Valkyries - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1BmWm91 )

19:20:00 punkman: mircea_popescu: it was great when they weren't all "no kid left behind"

19:20:06 mircea_popescu: pity this got so fucking popularised. it's a great march.

19:20:08 thestringpuller: https://twitter.com/BlueMeanie4/status/570067969130110977/photo/1 << d00d can't decipher sarcasm?

19:20:43 mircea_popescu: punkman romanians just make them pay, it's beautiful. "got a 9.9x on natl exams ? ok, free. got 9.85 ? 3k a year. fu."

19:20:46 mircea_popescu: so beautiful.

19:21:10 punkman: and we are basically exporting all the decent graduates, since nobody wants to live on 500eur/month salary

19:21:16 ascii_field: what kind of money is 3k-usd in ro ?

19:21:27 ascii_field: a toyota ?

19:21:29 mircea_popescu: ascii_field 9k gdp. basically, a salary.

19:21:53 mircea_popescu: tbh, there's absolutely no reason college time costs more than 10-15k in the us, either.

19:21:59 mircea_popescu: everything over that is just inflabezzle.

19:22:05 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: that's not even the interesting part

19:22:13 ascii_field: but the 10-20%/yr increment

19:22:19 mircea_popescu: ya well.

19:22:26 nubbins`: actually now that i think about it

19:22:33 ascii_field: outruns every conceivable other thing

19:22:35 nubbins`: there's been a tuition freeze here since like ~2001

19:22:39 *: nubbins` shrugs, gives up

19:22:51 ascii_field: nubbins`: where i live, the 'tuition freeze' is a total scam. they raise 'fees'

19:23:00 ascii_field: that are mandatory but somehow 'not tuition'

19:23:25 nubbins`: there *are* more fees now -- rec hall fee, xyz improvement fee... but still a shadow of non-frozen tuition

19:23:28 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller guy's just trying to matter, i wouldn't read too much into it.

19:23:30 ascii_field: and housing cost, that of books (mandatory and unshareable because homework given through www for which password is a scratch-off card in book) etc

19:23:50 mircea_popescu: ascii_field who in his right fucking mind would participoate in this ?

19:23:54 mircea_popescu: i mean, just this. THIS.

19:23:58 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: who do you think?

19:24:01 nubbins`: in his right fucking mind is the key

19:24:20 nubbins`: a better question, who would fuck everyone else in the world, in the ass, for a free book?

19:24:31 ascii_field: who: folks who know they have a 1 in 10 shot at employment if they play, but 1 in 100 if not

19:24:31 nubbins`: and the answer is actually a fair number of people, university professors included

19:24:39 gabriel_laddel: ;; google uncle al SPEED HEALS

19:24:39 gribble: Backreaction: New experiment doesn't see fifth force, rules out class ...: http://backreaction.blogspot.com/2015/02/new-experiment-doesnt-see-fifth-force.html; Boils: MedlinePlus Medical Encyclopedia: http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/001474.htm; Kraven the Hunter (Alyosha Kravinoff) - Wikipedia, the free ...: (1 more message)

19:24:40 mircea_popescu: those aren't people.

19:24:56 gabriel_laddel: eh. http://mazepath.com/uncleal/ritalin2.htm

19:24:57 assbot: SPEED HEALS ... ( http://bit.ly/1BmYnSs )

19:24:59 ascii_field: ^^

19:25:05 *: ascii_field has the complete set

19:25:08 nubbins`: and yet they're still determining what the course materials are

19:26:12 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: actually my explanation is out of date, now that i think about it

19:26:14 gabriel_laddel: ascii_field: has complete set of Uncle Al? Worth every satoshi?

19:26:34 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: folks aren't signing up for uni because of employment, but as a temporary reprieve from... what comes next

19:26:47 ascii_field: gabriel_laddel: yes. and even bought it for actual money back when al was selling

19:27:03 ascii_field: still have the floppies.

19:27:32 ascii_field: i tried and tried, without success, to get schwartz in here.

19:27:50 mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel we were going to put it on the cardano originally, but guy stopped answering emails.

19:28:00 ascii_field: got enough of a squeak out of him to learn that he's alive, but he doesn't sit on the net much these days

19:28:02 mircea_popescu: ascii_field of course. WHICH IS WHY THEY ARENT PEOPLE

19:28:03 ascii_field: sorta went perelman

19:28:12 gabriel_laddel: understandably.

19:28:30 gabriel_laddel: I've given a few people links to PERUSING THE LIMITS OF FAILED SYMMETRY

19:28:34 danielpbarron: http://imgur.com/3AyJ9FY ascii_field

19:28:35 assbot: Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1zditHo )

19:28:35 gabriel_laddel: they flip out

19:28:35 mircea_popescu: same exact thing happens in romania, 20sometrhing yo girlie, still very much mentally 15, does not want to learn to suck cock, does not think a job's high enough for her reddit-powered pretense,

19:28:35 ascii_field: schwartz is one of my personal 'heroes'

19:28:48 danielpbarron: not sure if i did this right

19:28:52 mircea_popescu: goes for a phd. parents support "education" becasuse parents are a) idiotic and b) mostly women buy the time she's 25 anyway

19:28:54 ascii_field: i did a good bit of supercomp heavy lifting for his eotvos thing, pro bono

19:29:02 danielpbarron: not seeing a /dev/ttyUSBx

19:29:21 ascii_field: danielpbarron: what's on the other end?

19:30:00 ascii_field: other end should be that little dongle

19:30:07 ascii_field: plugged into your werkstation

19:30:22 mircea_popescu: and the very few that do work, take up bs jobs a la "pr". which, in romania, is just about the 2010 version of "hairdresser".

19:30:28 danielpbarron: ascii_field, http://imgur.com/NR0fbT6

19:30:29 assbot: Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1zdiFGC )

19:30:29 gabriel_laddel: (allow me to retract "flip out" - they don't address any of the arguments, say that it pattern matches for 'crank'. I point out that this isn't an argument and that every sentence is clearly falsifiable. Conversation terminates.)

19:31:09 mats: https://harbor.ly/blog/bitcoin-the-stupid-way-to-fund-terrorism lol

19:31:11 assbot: The Harborly Blog | Bitcoin: the Stupid Way to Fund Terrorism ... ( http://bit.ly/1zdiOKk )

19:31:16 ascii_field: danielpbarron: and what happens?

19:31:20 mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel and all that just from an essay ?

19:31:51 danielpbarron: the pogo light turns red after blinking green, and nothing new appears in /dev/tty

19:32:09 mircea_popescu: mats as they say, *someone* reads the logs.

19:32:12 danielpbarron: this was done to an otherwise untouched pogo

19:32:41 ascii_field: gabriel_laddel: schwartz actually experimented with cleaning it up and submitting as proper latexed paper to journals

19:32:46 thestringpuller: PM just told me of a NL company that does ecommerce

19:32:47 ascii_field: gabriel_laddel: got similar response

19:32:50 ascii_field: !s adelberger

19:32:51 assbot: 8 results for 'adelberger' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=adelberger

19:33:07 thestringpuller: when you go to checkout, if you are using internet explorer, they charge you an IE tax to encourage people not to use it.

19:33:11 ascii_field: ^ the piece of shit who has to die for there being any chance of al's experiment being run in the english world

19:33:26 ascii_field: and not only him, but everyone who did degree under him, etc

19:33:34 mats: " Currently, for pure Bitcoin to Bitcoin transactions, there are multiple ways todiscover the location and identity of the individual in question." IPs are not locations

19:34:02 mats: " When an indivdual wants to buy or sell any sizable amount of Bitcoin, they need to interface with a Bitcoin retailer like Harborly or an exchange likeBitstamp, all of whom adhere to extensive KYC (Know Your Customer) policies." whats OTC?

19:34:25 mircea_popescu: "o look, we're stupid therefore carnot cycle doesn't exist"

19:34:27 mats: mircea_popescu: their reading comprehension is awful if they went and wrote this piece afterwards

19:34:42 mircea_popescu: mats it doesn't even load on my system, so there is that.

19:34:47 mircea_popescu: otherwise i'd have left them a comment.

19:35:34 mircea_popescu: ahaha "like harborly" ? who the fuck ius harborly.

19:35:46 ascii_field: gabriel_laddel: if you're interested in the eotvos thing, absolutely must read the old threads here

19:35:53 ascii_field: esp. how al's problem isn't fixable with money

19:36:53 mats: idk. another exchange that loves bootstrap from what i see.

19:36:57 gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: Yep. Aggressive intelligence frightens the luddites(?) who have temporarily taken over.

19:37:04 gabriel_laddel: !up ascii_field

19:37:19 mircea_popescu: another exchange that loves making total fucking asses of themselves, that's for sure. any of the old idiots involved ? rosenfeld ? kenna ?

19:37:30 mircea_popescu: it has the old bitcoin fucktard impertinence to it.

19:38:37 mats: i don't recognize any names on their about page

19:38:55 ascii_field: ty gabriel_laddel!

19:39:08 mats: connor black and gabriel ferrin

19:39:28 mircea_popescu: well anyway. when a bunch of idiots decide to make "their own exchange" and pretend like it has to do with bitcoin, it gets laughed at in b-a and goes away in about 18 months.

19:40:26 gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: I remember that a while ago you mentioned you lectured at local universities. Was this in Romania aor Argentina?

19:40:47 mircea_popescu: romania. brief, mostly because friend ran it.

19:41:42 danielpbarron: ascii_field, when should something show up in /dev ? when i plug the usb thing in? or when the povo turns on?

19:41:46 thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: Maybe like thestringpuller's it is missing << pete_dushenski: I think that got fixed. tumblr is lik dumb.

19:42:02 ascii_field: danielpbarron: in a modern linux box, you get a /dev/ttyUSBx immediately

19:42:10 ascii_field: whether anything is plugged in on other end or not

19:42:14 ascii_field: (serial dongle cannot know)

19:42:18 danielpbarron: i do not get that

19:42:24 ascii_field: on the workstation end

19:42:33 ascii_field: wtf are you using for a machine

19:42:37 ascii_field: and kernel

19:42:45 danielpbarron: gentoo

19:42:50 ascii_field: does it show up in lsusb ?

19:42:57 ascii_field: and /var/log/messages

19:48:01 mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOIZsiIPUOM << actually pretty decent scenes.

19:48:02 assbot: Trainspotting - Deleted Scenes - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1zdkPGc )

19:49:07 danielpbarron: ok apparently my computer has been dumping to /var/log/messages nonstop since my install and is now 21 gigs

19:49:13 danielpbarron: something about nvidia

19:49:16 ascii_field: l0l

19:49:38 mircea_popescu: lol

19:49:42 mircea_popescu: blockchain #2!

19:49:46 ascii_field: whaddayamean you don't have a dedicated monitor for /var/log/messages

19:49:50 ascii_field: like normal folks.

19:50:09 danielpbarron: i don't even know what that means

19:50:22 ascii_field: you know, box on a leg, displays things

19:50:55 danielpbarron: oh

19:51:27 mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel for the sake of argument, can you identify an university that closer adheres to dijk's ideas set forth in your 2nd url than b-a ?

19:51:36 gabriel_laddel: nope.

19:51:45 gabriel_laddel: which is actually why I was reading it

19:51:47 mircea_popescu: " The external pressures to do the wrong thing are enormous, but yielding to them would be fatal for the academic enterprise, while resisting the pressure reinforces its strengths. The pressures are, in fact, so strong that I do not know a university where there is not some faculty or some department that has yielded, but there should be no mercy for snake oil pedlars on campus."

19:51:48 mircea_popescu: etc.

19:52:18 *: ascii_field is rather fond of dijkstra

19:52:45 ascii_field: he thought that university could become a fortress against dark age

19:52:50 ascii_field: like in the old days

19:52:52 gabriel_laddel: I've been having fantasies about WoT for academic matters. The ability to turn off an entire viewpoint in a graph-traversal. Ah.

19:53:13 mircea_popescu: it's the intended use.

19:53:21 mircea_popescu: not merely the "don't run code not in your wot".

19:53:24 ascii_field: gabriel_laddel: except that they -have- a wot. just, firmly under sc4mz0r control.

19:53:34 ascii_field: al schwartz, for example,. wasn't in it

19:53:37 mircea_popescu: all the way : http://fraudsters.com/2014/how-to-deal-with-pseudoscience/

19:53:37 assbot: How to deal with pseudoscience ? pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1zdlojA )

19:53:39 ascii_field: and couldn't possibly enter

19:53:41 mircea_popescu: studies not in your wot never happened.

19:53:52 mircea_popescu: cultural diversity actually possible, for likle... the first time ever.

19:54:00 mircea_popescu: ascii_field no they do not.

19:54:03 ascii_field: precisely. ergo, to 'respectable academia', schwartz never happened

19:54:04 mircea_popescu: they have a reddit.

19:54:05 ascii_field: could not happen

19:54:06 mircea_popescu: a reddit is NOT a wot.,

19:54:16 ascii_field: how's it a reddit

19:54:18 ascii_field: doesn't vote

19:54:25 mircea_popescu: just like a crate is "like a car" except not a car.

19:54:36 mircea_popescu: in the most important manner : it's summable. a graph is not.

19:54:43 mircea_popescu: the value of a node depends on the path you take to it.

19:54:51 mircea_popescu: this does not exist on reddit. values of nodes are "absolute".

19:55:07 ascii_field: aha

19:55:20 mircea_popescu: and it does fucking vote. what do you think "peer review" and "tenure comissions" are ?

19:55:43 mircea_popescu: imagine the concept of "x is tenured for a1, ak but not for ak+1 an faculty members" ?

19:56:14 ascii_field: the basic cockroach in the soup is that traditional academia fights for usg table scraps

19:56:16 mircea_popescu: even the fact that "firmly under scamzor control" shows that it's not a wot.

19:56:18 ascii_field: i.e. who gets to eat

19:56:21 ascii_field: and who doesn't

19:56:25 mircea_popescu: scammers can't control a wot specifically because it's a wot.

19:56:37 mircea_popescu: re the entire discussion about "standardization" and how it's bad

19:56:57 mircea_popescu: you recall that thread ?

19:57:03 ascii_field: hm which

19:57:07 mircea_popescu: why we don't want to all apply the same scoring criteria for people ?

19:57:15 mircea_popescu: ;;google fraudsters how the wot is attacked how the wot defends itself

19:57:16 gribble: Advanced WoT course : how the WoT is attacked, and how ... - fraudsters: http://fraudsters.com/advanced-wot-course-how-the-wot-is-attacked-and-how-it-defends-itself; You can't have door-to-door shakedowns in defeudalised France ...: http://www.contravex.com/2015/02/04/you-cant-have-door-to-door-shakedowns-in-defeudalised-france/; Jooz and stereotypes. | Contravex: A blog by Pete (1 more message)

19:57:20 ascii_field: ah that

19:57:24 mircea_popescu: yes that.

19:58:33 ascii_field: it is deceptively easy to avoid the problems of usg academia if you aren't trying to deal with the question of how folks are to eat. just like it is very easy for an electromobile to 'not pollute' - superficially - because it lacks a tailpipe

19:58:49 ascii_field: but electromobile's energy doesn't come from the gods

19:59:23 mircea_popescu: the "folks are to eat" thing is not a problem.

19:59:27 mircea_popescu: every volk eats individually.

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20:00:03 mircea_popescu: how exactly they do it is really no-one's problem unless they start doing particular things.

20:00:09 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: point being that it's much easier to honestly work towards some useful end when not fighting over crumbs

20:00:20 mircea_popescu: this can't ever be a point.

20:00:26 mircea_popescu: it mixes two things that can't be in the same sentence.

20:00:45 gabriel_laddel: ;; google Henry Kissinger "the battles are so vicious because the stakes are so small"

20:00:45 ascii_field: this is quite reminiscent of the elektromobile thing, imho

20:00:46 gribble: Sayre's law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sayre's_law; Academic Politics Are So Vicious Because the Stakes Are So Small ...: http://quoteinvestigator.com/2013/08/18/acad-politics/; Henry Kissinger - Wikiquote: http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Henry_Kissinger

20:00:55 mircea_popescu: "In the wake of the Cultural Revolution and now of the recession I observe a mounting pressure to co-operate and to promote "teamwork". For its anti-individualistic streak, such a drive is of course highly suspect; some people may not be so sensitive to it, but having seen the Hitlerjugend in action suffices for the rest of your life to be very wary of "team spirit". Very. I have even read one text that argued that uni

20:00:55 mircea_popescu: versity scientists should co-operate more in order to become more competitive..... Bureaucracies are in favour of teamwork because a few groups are easier to control than a large number of rugged individuals."

20:00:59 mircea_popescu: there's the story, how convenient.

20:01:15 mircea_popescu: find your own crumbs. that way a) we're stronger and b) there's no "income" tax.

20:01:21 mircea_popescu: because it's your own god damned income.

20:02:16 gabriel_laddel: Yep. It takes a while for people to figure this out though - especially when there are the remnants of actual intellects (von n., ulam) hanging around.

20:02:38 mircea_popescu: well the advantage is that people can take all the time they need.

20:02:48 ascii_field: works great for now, while there are plentiful crumbs scattered around.

20:03:02 mircea_popescu: not being goal-oriented, but cause-driven, la serenissima is in no particular hurry.

20:04:09 mircea_popescu: ascii_field there are always plenty of crumbs scattered around for the man carrying a large enough hammer.

20:04:13 ascii_field: what would 'being in a hurry' look like ?

20:04:36 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2015#1032368 < that.

20:04:36 assbot: Logged on 24-02-2015 19:20:08; thestringpuller: https://twitter.com/BlueMeanie4/status/570067969130110977/photo/1 << d00d can't decipher sarcasm?

20:04:55 ascii_field: not sure how the imbecile connects here

20:06:18 mircea_popescu: besides the point. that's what being in a hurry looks like. "omfg, i wonder if there are many people following me", said that blair deffective while walking towards the elephant rifle in hand

20:06:32 mircea_popescu: he should have had twitter.

20:06:37 ascii_field: lol!

20:06:43 mircea_popescu: well ?

20:07:04 ascii_field: but that's not 'hurry' per se, that's democraretardation

20:07:11 mircea_popescu: no, that's hurry per se.

20:07:33 mircea_popescu: !up ascii_field

20:07:36 ascii_field: ty mircea_popescu

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20:09:07 mircea_popescu: "Under current circumstances I would not even attempt to promote co-operation between the academic and the industrial worlds, because it seems pointless and dangerous. I have come to the conclusion that, industrial management being what it is, it is extremely unlikely that computing science can save the computing industry. Conversely, the computer industry can severely damage computing science; it does so quite regular

20:09:07 mircea_popescu: ly by the donation of equipment that had better be ignored."

20:09:13 mircea_popescu: no srsly, this is a great thing.

20:09:24 mircea_popescu: i had forgotten just how on point dijkstra is.

20:09:28 ascii_field: we did that one here, iirc

20:09:58 ascii_field: and yes, he was completely spot-on

20:10:18 mircea_popescu: "Academic computing science is doing fine, thank you, and unless I am totally mistaken, it will have a profound influence. I am not referring to the changes that result from computers in their capacity of tools. Okay, the equipment opens new opportunities for the entertainment industry, but who cares about that anyhow. The equipment has enabled the airline industry to make its rates so complicated and volatile that you

20:10:18 mircea_popescu: need an expert to buy a ticket, and for this discouragement of air travel we can be grateful" << my exact brand of ecology,

20:10:30 ascii_field: the actual field of comp sci was annihilated more thoroughly than anything the lysenkoists did to soviet biology

20:10:41 mircea_popescu: amusing how spot on he was huh :D

20:11:09 gabriel_laddel: "So, if I look into my foggy crystal ball at the future of computing science education, I overwhelmingly see the depressing picture of "Business as usual". The universities will continue to lack the courage to teach hard science, they will continue to misguide the students, and each next stage of infantilization of the curriculum will be hailed as educational progress.

20:11:09 gabriel_laddel: I now have had my foggy crystal ball for quite a long time. Its predictions are invariably gloomy and usually correct, but I am quite used to that and they won't keep me from giving you a few suggestions, even if it is merely an exercise in futility whose only effect is to make you feel guilty."

20:11:25 gabriel_laddel: - EWD1063

20:12:08 mircea_popescu: heh.

20:12:36 gabriel_laddel: "You don't need to take my proposal seriously because it is so ridiculous that I am obviously completely out of touch with the real world. But that kite won't fly, for I know the real world only too well: the problems of the real world are primarily those you are left with when you refuse to apply their effective solutions. So, let us try again."

20:12:56 gabriel_laddel: and here we are.

20:12:59 gabriel_laddel: trying again.

20:13:02 mircea_popescu: amusingly, "Did the writer not know that the use of the term "the real world" is usually interpreted as a symptom of rabid anti-intellectualism, or did he not mind? "

20:13:10 gabriel_laddel: lolyeah

20:13:22 mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel i specifically dispute the stance that we're trying "again". it's still the same one try, and it's still going oin magnificently.

20:13:32 mircea_popescu: has been, for millenia.

20:13:46 mircea_popescu: and yes, most derps & mooks have only a fleeting superficial view of it. so ?

20:14:26 gabriel_laddel: On that timescale, sure. when it comes down to Schwartz and Stan having years of their lives wasted...

20:14:34 mircea_popescu: to illustrate what i mean, here's a quote from the mooks in question :

20:14:43 gabriel_laddel: to say that "we" have not been set back is nonsense.

20:14:59 gabriel_laddel: what, the burning of the great library of Alexandria was just a blip?

20:17:20 mircea_popescu: meh i canbt find it. anyway, it was yet another of the "bitcoin has failed" but this one was because "greed made it not applaud gavin"

20:17:29 mircea_popescu: this can be rehashed indefinitely, but what exactly does it do ?

20:17:40 mircea_popescu: i burned books myself, what of it ? they sucked.

20:18:15 ascii_field: folks who mention 'alexandria' aren't usually objecting to burning books per se

20:18:28 ascii_field: but some - presumably interesting - only copy of xxxx that is now lost

20:18:34 mircea_popescu: maybe it sucked ?

20:18:41 ascii_field: or not

20:18:47 ascii_field: whole idea is, nobody knows

20:19:00 mircea_popescu: so then how's it a setback ?

20:19:20 ascii_field: in some cases ( mircea_popescu of all people ought to know ) partial copy of something survives

20:20:01 ascii_field: one (often overhyped but afaik factual) example of a total loss that is later 'un-lost' is archimedes having had fluxions

20:20:04 mircea_popescu: http://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/2v8f84/if_you_are_more_practically_inclined_and_having/ << since im digging up reddit. check out where "l'enfer, c'est l'autres" is identified as "using latin"

20:20:06 assbot: If you are more practically inclined, and having understood, accepted and come to terms with your fundamental human inferiority as it flows from your poverty, some solutions to your predicament of "I wish to buy myself a basket" have already been discussed. : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1zdoOma )

20:20:28 mircea_popescu: ascii_field but you take an eerily supermarket view of this setback thing.

20:20:31 danielpbarron: ok well i got the usb thing to show up in a live ubuntu, but nothing gets sent from pogo

20:20:36 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: hm?

20:20:39 mircea_popescu: tell me, if i burn the walmart in connecticut tomorrow, has capitalism had a setback ?

20:20:48 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: walmart != archimedes

20:20:55 mircea_popescu: books are the defecation product of thinking.

20:20:59 ascii_field: quite possibly a species only ever gets one or two of them

20:21:04 mircea_popescu: they aren't thinking per se anymore than an ashtray is a party.

20:21:12 danielpbarron: do i need to modify uboot to make it send through usb?

20:21:32 ascii_field: danielpbarron: the stock uboot iirc did spew something

20:21:34 ascii_field: check your pinout

20:21:45 ascii_field: also make sure your dongle is set to 115200 baud

20:22:34 danielpbarron: it is

20:22:50 ascii_field: try reversing rx and tx

20:22:57 ascii_field: they're almost certainly backwards

20:23:12 ascii_field: then - without unplugging the usb - power cycle the pogo

20:23:15 ascii_field: should see output.

20:23:49 ascii_field: failing this, boot pogo into arch and echo "something" > /dev/ttyS0

20:23:49 danielpbarron: got it!

20:23:59 ascii_field: works?

20:24:17 danielpbarron: ya

20:24:21 ascii_field: congrats!

20:24:25 danielpbarron: tyvm

20:24:37 ascii_field: before re-closing chassis,

20:24:46 ascii_field: take a good close-up of dongle & pogo pcb

20:24:50 ascii_field: labeled with rx/tx/gnd

20:24:53 ascii_field: if you've the time

20:24:56 ascii_field: for other folks

20:24:59 danielpbarron: already closed it

20:25:06 ascii_field: also note that it will overheat if run at length w/out heatsink

20:25:12 ascii_field: (the aluminum plate)

20:25:51 ascii_field: at any rate, danielpbarron now has an 'adult' pogo

20:26:04 ascii_field: it is even theoretically possible to restore it if nuked 'uboot' as well

20:26:25 ascii_field: (marvell will slurp up a boot image via 'xmodem' though tty if you feed it)

20:26:31 thestringpuller: crafting completed. new skills unlocked.

20:27:21 ascii_field: all the rest of you with 'pogos', i highly recommend taking the time to do this mod

20:27:41 nubbins`: is the serial mod necessary or can i just ssh to the silly thing?

20:27:51 danielpbarron: i'll try to document what i did

20:28:02 ascii_field: nubbins`: it lets you debug boot, and see kernel output prior to nic init

20:28:11 nubbins`: aha.

20:28:19 nubbins`: so i don't need it unless i do, in other words

20:28:20 ascii_field: also lets you resurrect a wedged box

20:29:10 nubbins`: pret-t-t-t-t-y sure i've got an FTDI adapter here somewhere

20:29:23 ascii_field: (expect mircea_popescu to retort 'throw the damn thing out' but i'll note that they aren't exactly in limitless supply - nor do we yet know of an alternate box that is)

20:33:57 ascii_field: (i do have one of these, http://i.imgur.com/EuoNzHn.jpg - ~18 usd - but it suffers from lack of sata, 32M(ram) 8M(rom), and a wifi chip that cannot be disabled - built into cpu and embedded antenna)

20:33:59 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/170NIyE )

20:35:47 ascii_field: cryptome dead ?

20:36:23 mircea_popescu: i didn't say that eh.

20:38:43 nubbins`: !up ascii_field

20:38:47 ascii_field: ty nubbins`

20:47:03 cazalla: BingoBoingo: Bad google http://www.zdnet.com/article/google-bans-explicit-adult-content-from-blogger-blogs/ <<< the amusing part of this is that the author of that article sued a porn actor who used the same name as the author, poor girl had to get a new name

20:47:04 assbot: Google bans 'explicit' adult content from Blogger blogs | ZDNet ... ( http://bit.ly/1zdrEYu )

20:47:56 cazalla: girl in question http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noname_Jane

20:47:58 assbot: Noname Jane - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1zdrKzl )

20:50:35 ascii_field: porn - a-ok in usa; viewing porn without usg permanent record of the act - nope

20:51:01 ascii_field: never know who might have to be 'robert borked' in the future.

20:56:41 mircea_popescu: google is scummy by now.

20:57:25 mircea_popescu: ascii_field how's blogger.com banning porn further that ?

20:57:41 mircea_popescu: no, it's just provincialism, the same idiotic middle age women that run apple now run google.

20:57:45 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: not banned. permitted in 'viewable only to registered' sites.

20:57:54 ascii_field: it's being herded.

20:58:53 mircea_popescu: heh.

20:59:10 mircea_popescu: cunts shackled and sad on the internet their forecunts had fought to conquer ?

20:59:24 BingoBoingo: !b 5

20:59:24 assbot: Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0E2KVW7.txt )

20:59:40 mircea_popescu: but yes, the "sexual disorder" of the 90s is definitely coming to a close. it's too expensive, and to most dickheads undesirable anyway.

21:00:02 mircea_popescu: the gays got their way with marriage prior to the freeze, but that's it. pedos aren't getting theirs.

21:00:14 mircea_popescu: who cares that pedo today ==== faggot 1965.

21:00:38 ascii_field: much more politically useful even

21:01:02 ascii_field: electronic equivalent of toilet tank cocaine

21:02:24 cazalla: mircea_popescu: todd gack mysteriously missing. <<< yeah, what sort of name is that anyway?

21:03:05 cazalla: shame you can't todd gack someone on reddit with a few thousand satoshi

21:07:30 kakobrekla: buttstamp is looking for 'senior django developer'

21:08:57 kakobrekla: a friend replied telling them he can fix everything that is wrong, but they dont want that.

21:09:40 kakobrekla: !up ascii_field

21:09:45 ascii_field: ty kakobrekla!

21:10:02 ascii_field: kakobrekla: how do -you- normally answer letters from people offering to 'fix everything that's wrong' ?

21:11:21 kakobrekla: idk if i was ever in a position where 'everything is wrong' was legit claim.

21:18:21 mike_c: didn't you write bitbet in PHP?

21:18:35 *: mike_c runs quickly

21:27:24 ben_vulpes: hee hee

21:30:04 kakobrekla: nah, that was mpex

21:34:19 ben_vulpes: ho ho

21:39:40 kakobrekla: hehe, is true; http://mpex.co/?=PHPE9568F34-D428-11d2-A769-00AA001ACF42

21:40:04 kakobrekla: !up ascii_field

21:40:10 kakobrekla: adont thank me

21:45:11 kakobrekla: !up kushed

21:47:21 mike_c: sekrit php detector. i had no idea.

21:48:26 PeterL: pete_dushenski:weird thing is: bablogs.btcscoop.com seems to have no problem with it << I forgot I had to do a funny trick with codecs to get that to work, lets see if scoopbot works now?

21:49:19 mike_c: elephant: http://mpex.co/?=PHPE9568F36-D428-11d2-A769-00AA001ACF42

21:50:25 mircea_popescu: ;p;

21:50:27 mircea_popescu: lol*

21:50:29 *: ben_vulpes is a baffle

21:56:47 mike_c: and just because this should be immortalized in the logs: http://phpsadness.com/

21:56:48 assbot: PHP Sadness ... ( http://bit.ly/18iqWnk )

21:57:16 ascii_field: last i checked, php wasn't mandatory

21:57:58 mike_c: you lost me there.

21:58:05 mircea_popescu: i think it was in the logs from last time we did this

21:58:14 mike_c: not according to search

21:58:25 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-02-2014#512379 etc

21:58:25 assbot: Logged on 17-02-2014 22:31:05; mircea_popescu: http://phpsadness.com/sad/9

21:58:34 mike_c: !s phpsadness

21:58:35 assbot: 0 results for 'phpsadness' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=phpsadness

21:58:52 ascii_field: afaik nobody is forced to program in it

21:59:00 mircea_popescu: !s phpsadness.com

21:59:01 assbot: 3 results for 'phpsadness.com' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=phpsadness.com

21:59:12 mircea_popescu: no stemming eh ?

21:59:16 mike_c: intersting. slash is a word break but not a period?

21:59:36 mircea_popescu: !s b-a.link

21:59:36 assbot: 1 results for 'b-a.link' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=b-a.link

21:59:45 mircea_popescu: !s s.b-a

21:59:46 assbot: 0 results for 's.b-a' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=s.b-a

21:59:54 mircea_popescu: SOME dots are wordbreaks.

22:00:34 mike_c: word breaking is different from stemming. that feels.. wrong. mthreat is it normal for periods to not break words?

22:01:09 mike_c: ;;later tell mthreat is it an index option for periods to break words?

22:01:09 gribble: The operation succeeded.

22:10:51 BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field

22:13:23 mats: django. god help the one that accepts the job.

22:15:19 mircea_popescu: "the Web framework for perfectionists with deadlines" ?

22:16:00 mike_c: what's wrong with django? i bit bloated, but there's a lot of good code in there.

22:25:23 mats: a buddy of mine uses it only the daily. moans constantly.

22:25:28 mats: on^

22:28:55 jurov: pity more people don't use turbogears2. i have found it quite usable, with documentation uptodate and keeps improving

22:36:31 ben_vulpes: fuck it

22:36:44 ben_vulpes: fuck django, fuck rails, and probably fuck turbogears too.

22:37:13 jurov: fuck everythign that moves.

22:37:14 ben_vulpes: while they can all be used well by people who know what they're doing, most people using them categorically do not.

22:37:19 jurov: and all other too

22:37:44 mike_c: and the alternative is they build from a microframework and fuck up even more?

22:37:46 ben_vulpes: and in their experiments with object oriented programming create these insane class hierarchies that are impossible to fit into human working memory.

22:38:19 jurov: oh, that. http is notable for its leaky effects into all higher layers

22:38:39 ben_vulpes: mike_c: ever touched a clojure ring app?

22:38:49 mike_c: not with a 10ft pole

22:38:53 ben_vulpes: oh and let's not get into the ORM.

22:39:14 ben_vulpes: while again it can be used well by people who can use it well (intentional tautology)

22:39:50 ben_vulpes: the novice's desire to not learn how relational databases work and how to leverage their strengths is damaging to both themselves and anyone downhill of them.

22:39:55 jurov: you mean people who have a clue what happens on wire/in browser?

22:40:12 jurov: rdbms are easier that that

22:40:18 ben_vulpes: ORM/wire?

22:40:22 mike_c: i don't get it. you're saying a novice can use cojure ring and not hurt himself?

22:40:30 ben_vulpes: not at all.

22:40:33 ben_vulpes: a sword still cuts.

22:40:56 mike_c: so you are just offended by the offering of something between cojure/ring and wordpress.

22:40:58 ben_vulpes: but the surface area over which they can make mistakes is vastly limited.

22:41:36 ben_vulpes: mike_c: keep in mind i'm approaching this from an empirical perspective.

22:41:37 mike_c: idk. noobs will make sites. and their wordpress blogs will be used in ddos reflection attacks. what can you do.

22:41:50 jurov: ben_vulpes: so everything sucks because idiots can use it to hang themselves?

22:42:10 ben_vulpes: miserable django shites made by novices rapidly become very expensive to reason about.

22:42:13 ben_vulpes: rails, ibid.

22:42:33 ben_vulpes: (most wordprexen are cobbled together from plugins - not terrifically difficult to reason about)

22:43:00 mike_c: ok, but i'm not going to judge by how easy it is to un-fuck a particular framework done poorly.

22:43:01 ben_vulpes: there's something about working in lisp that seems to reduce the speed at which entropy chews apart a webdev project.

22:43:18 mike_c: or, there's something about those that choose lisp..

22:43:28 ben_vulpes: i'm always cautious about that line.

22:43:34 ben_vulpes: mostly, because it's so damn easy.

22:44:03 ben_vulpes: and i speak not as a veteran here.

22:44:28 *: ben_vulpes back to the mines

22:46:24 thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: there you go with that lisp nonsense again!

22:46:31 thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: the best webdev lanuage is PHP.

22:46:32 lobbes: <ben_vulpes> mostly, because it's so damn easy. << I played with lisp for a second, and even I felt like seemed way more 'intuitive'

22:46:34 ben_vulpes: (oh, and those "experts" in rails/django/yii/whatever tend to swallow wholesale whatever braindamage comes out of the "community")

22:46:48 thestringpuller: rails is da shit

22:46:54 thestringpuller: s/da//

22:46:57 thestringpuller: :D

22:47:11 jurov: my impression of list is that it boosts ego to the point of making any cooperation hard

22:47:14 jurov: *lisp

22:47:16 thestringpuller: django is good for marketing teams who need to deploy content fast and don't have IT

22:47:28 thestringpuller: jurov hits nail on head

22:47:40 mike_c: or for webdevs that don't want to rebuild every wheel

22:48:25 mike_c: turbogears2 looks good too.. i have some vague memory of not liking sql alchemy for some reason, but that was awhile ago and i can't remember why.

22:48:32 thestringpuller: mike_c: yes. but rails took this overboard imo.

22:48:44 mike_c: agreed. i think rails has too much black magic

22:48:46 thestringpuller: the rails generate command is abused a bit too much

22:49:04 thestringpuller: i know the script kiddies love it, but probably same reason they defend node.js

22:52:26 ben_vulpes: "No Thinking Required!"™

22:53:55 BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field

22:53:57 ben_vulpes: "Mindlessly Churn Out Crud Apps!"

22:57:07 jurov: "Excremental Development Model (r)(tm)"

23:05:27 ascii_field: ty BingoBoingo!

23:05:51 ascii_field: boosts ego to the point of making any cooperation hard << wat

23:13:51 jurov: my impression is, eveythign around lisp is considerably fragmented

23:20:20 mats: i spent the last ten mins reading BlueMeanie4's blog

23:20:24 mats: what a mistake

23:21:21 thestringpuller: mats: why did you submit yourself to that punishment?

23:22:54 mats: i wanted to see if he had anything useful to say in a long form medium

23:23:05 mats: turns out hes as retarded on a blog as he is on irc and twitter

23:24:26 thestringpuller: ah. Well he honestly thinks GPG contracts are failures because they are too hard to use...which is like retard believing he is not retarded.

23:24:30 mats: and anyway i like to see what people offended by mp are up to

23:24:41 mats: (the ones that used to hang here, anyway)

23:24:54 thestringpuller: mats: you've made me miss EskimoBob

23:24:59 thestringpuller: ;;seen EskimoBob

23:24:59 gribble: EskimoBob was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 33 weeks, 4 days, 16 hours, 33 minutes, and 46 seconds ago: <EskimoBob> no idea how executions are shown on btct

23:27:41 mats: ;;seen evoorhees

23:27:41 gribble: evoorhees was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 31 weeks, 4 days, 23 hours, 29 minutes, and 46 seconds ago: <evoorhees> I need to go for now, on later

23:29:00 Adlai: if anything, GPG contracts are too easy to use

23:37:19 thestringpuller: Adlai: drafting them to spec is difficult sometimes. Like coming up with a good statement of work, or an SLA

23:37:39 thestringpuller: but this is irrelevant of execution i suppose

23:41:27 mats: http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2015/02/greek-surrender-hope-150222120049943.html

23:41:28 assbot: Greek surrender: When all hope is gone - Al Jazeera English ... ( http://bit.ly/1w9FJ9a )