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00:00:14 mircea_popescu: this is the highest linecount since forever

00:01:12 mircea_popescu: 2.) fluffypony 1247 3.) assbot 1211 << africans and their long peens.

00:01:19 BingoBoingo: Imma have to guess the S.MPIF markets are BTC/USD, BTC/Typhoon submarines, BTC/Uranium, and BTC/Human Souls

00:02:07 asciilifeform: http://imgur.com/UvspIIq,CqpmXCx,p2ExGTe,qAcmmpX,SJ3lCpM,avlxgmG,dr2NHfE,3yeBuFm

00:02:07 ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer

00:02:14 mike_c: hm, there has got to be an arbitrage loop on btc/usd/human souls

00:02:34 mircea_popescu: Humanity was almost extinguished, their spirits becoming part of the background radiation that blanketed the earth.

00:03:06 mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/embed/pXMnRaSkkp4

00:03:06 ozbot: Fallout 2 Intro (1998) - YouTube

00:03:21 asciilifeform: 'the man who loved the faioli' !

00:03:36 asciilifeform: http://www.lib.ru/ZELQZNY/TheManWhoLovedTheFaioli.txt

00:03:44 asciilifeform: (or maybe not. but i was damn sure that was in there)

00:06:06 BingoBoingo: "From 1985 to 1989 Williamson worked at Nicolet Instruments in Madison, Wisconsin where he was the primary author on two digital hearing aid patents."

00:06:26 BingoBoingo: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffie%E2%80%93Hellman_key_exchange

00:12:45 BingoBoingo: http://www.flickr.com/photos/74896762@N00/3167352760/

00:12:47 ozbot: amniotic sac | Flickr - Photo Sharing

00:13:13 asciilifeform: earlier link was steam plant in Timis.

00:13:24 BingoBoingo: Ah, cool

00:13:28 asciilifeform: 0400 hour, monday

00:13:45 asciilifeform: hieronymous bosch apparently lives there.

00:14:27 BingoBoingo: Amazing how in the US Steam plants are generally just a University thing and yet every on campus steam plant I've seen has been as boring as shit.

00:14:41 asciilifeform: on account of boschlessness.

00:18:08 asciilifeform: re: Faioli << recommended to all aficionados of pet manticores.

00:19:36 asciilifeform: http://imgur.com/KSmZQ69

00:19:36 ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer

00:19:40 asciilifeform: ^ sherlock holmes.

00:19:49 benkay: lysergic precursors are strictly controlled, whaddaya expect?

00:20:12 asciilifeform: let them control carbon.

00:22:05 asciilifeform: http://imgur.com/SLpTRCm

00:22:05 ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer

00:22:07 asciilifeform: ^ femei

00:22:27 asciilifeform: (clicked? admit, lustful buggers)

00:23:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5425 @ 0.00095286 = 5.1693 BTC [+] {2}

00:23:17 mircea_popescu: well i hadn't, but if you insist

00:23:21 asciilifeform: lol

00:23:37 mircea_popescu: lol

00:23:44 mircea_popescu: was that the abandoned urinal ?

00:23:51 asciilifeform: menstrual.

00:24:05 mircea_popescu: here's the story of the blessings of lobbyism

00:24:24 mircea_popescu: romania had, in all cities, proper urinals built all over town. the whole shebang, with running water.

00:24:42 mircea_popescu: dumbass firm started importing the 2mc bullshits, with chemical "processing"

00:24:54 mircea_popescu: and got kickback-based contracts to "supply" the city.

00:25:06 mircea_popescu: as a result, all the proper urinals are nao destroyed.

00:25:27 asciilifeform: ugh

00:25:31 mircea_popescu: because well.... they can't compete, because they solve a problem rather than grooming it with dysfunctional non-solutions, and so have nothing to kick back.

00:25:37 asciilifeform: classic

00:25:38 asciilifeform: http://imgur.com/RL9x21p

00:25:39 ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer

00:25:41 asciilifeform: ^ femei, for real

00:25:43 mircea_popescu: now... explain to me again how teh nsa is 5 years ahead of my penis.

00:26:32 benkay: to further our discussion of economies: http://falkenblog.blogspot.com/2010/07/batesian-mimicry-explanation-of.html

00:26:34 kakobrekla: o looky

00:26:37 kakobrekla: davout asciilifeform

00:26:38 kakobrekla: http://flappy2048.com

00:27:05 kakobrekla: also mike_c and whoever else

00:27:20 mike_c: fuck, there goes my evening.

00:27:48 asciilifeform: defunct ?

00:28:23 kakobrekla: works here

00:28:49 asciilifeform: ehehe, flash

00:29:30 mircea_popescu: "In an expansion investors are constantly looking for better places to invest their capital, while entrepreneurs are always overconfident, hoping to get capital to fund their restless ambition. Sometimes, the investors (dupes) think a certain set of key characteristics are sufficient statistics of a quality investment because historically they were. Mimic entrepreneurs seize upon these key characteristics that will all

00:29:30 mircea_popescu: ow them to garner funds from the duped investors. "

00:29:33 benkay: Once the number of mimics is sufficiently high, their valueless enterprises become too conspicuous and they no longer pass off as legitimate investments.

00:29:44 mircea_popescu: benkay a good theory which requires dupes to have a functioning ganglion.

00:29:47 benkay: (quotes, etc)

00:29:48 mircea_popescu: they... don't, mostly.

00:29:58 asciilifeform: http://imgur.com/VZ8jZkP

00:29:59 ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer

00:30:01 benkay: no but they have shitloads of cash

00:30:03 asciilifeform: ^ statute to the unknown lamer

00:30:06 asciilifeform: *statue

00:30:17 mircea_popescu: Your browser is not compatible with this site. Sorry :( << kakobrekla wtf bs!

00:30:26 kakobrekla: anyway it involved different kind of brain power than the 2048

00:30:46 kakobrekla: much less actual thinking

00:31:16 kakobrekla: mp you know just scammin around

00:32:01 kakobrekla: anyway i just thought it was rele-tarded enough to post.

00:32:24 mircea_popescu: "AllAdvantage was a website that paid members to surf the Net. It paid to acquire these users, and supposedly leveraged its members? eyeballs into advertizing dollars. At the initial fundraiser internet capitalist Frank Quattrone, who helped fund Cisco and many other legitimate successful concerns, and President Clinton both paid tribute to AllAdvantage"

00:32:26 mircea_popescu: muy true

00:32:31 mircea_popescu: i wish the falk joined hiar.

00:32:37 benkay: "For example, subsequent to the 1990 Commercial Real Estate debacle, defaults in this asset class were well below average across the board for the subsequent decade. In the aftermath of that crisis, newly issued Commercial Real Estate Asset Backed securities did very well, because everyone was especially cognizant of the risk factors involved. A similar thing happened in railroads after the Penn Central railroad defaulted in the early

00:32:37 benkay: 1970s. Fooled once, investors were not fooled again in that specific way, making the key risky asset characteristic of the latest recession a metric of safety going forward."

00:32:48 asciilifeform: http://imgur.com/32Hn20X

00:32:48 ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer

00:32:52 asciilifeform: ^ this is posted for a reason

00:32:59 benkay: if only the forum knew its own history.

00:33:01 asciilifeform: and not simply because this toilet is bigger than my living room

00:33:20 mircea_popescu: sadly blog is pretty much abandoned

00:33:21 asciilifeform: me grandpa (physicist) first encountered a bidet in vienna

00:33:44 asciilifeform: in '45.

00:33:54 asciilifeform: he went 'fuck, this place has 2 shitters'

00:34:01 kakobrekla: lol

00:34:03 asciilifeform: and of course deposited in the smaller one

00:34:05 mircea_popescu: bidets are great. can't keep young women w/o em

00:34:13 asciilifeform: commander made him clean it out. with matchsticks.

00:34:51 asciilifeform: i've never seen one in person previously.

00:35:04 asciilifeform: but at least i knew grandfather's fate.

00:35:47 mircea_popescu: but see, suppose you wanna eat her out. what do you do ? full shower ? sink acrobatics ?

00:35:56 asciilifeform: lolmatic

00:36:43 benkay: plenty of material left.

00:36:45 asciilifeform: we all wanna have 'timisoara problems'

00:37:02 asciilifeform: vs. finding a deactivated path through the rubble with wrist geiger...

00:42:05 asciilifeform: (other grandpa, field hospital, not sure he ever saw bidet until died)

00:44:00 asciilifeform: https://www.fanfiction.net/s/7083969/1/The-Vienna-Offensive

00:44:01 ozbot: The Vienna Offensive, a hetalia - axis powers fanfic | FanFiction

00:44:10 asciilifeform: ^ this exists.

00:46:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4200 @ 0.00095034 = 3.9914 BTC [-]

00:50:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7225 @ 0.00095192 = 6.8776 BTC [+]

00:54:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 13 @ 0.06869835 = 0.8931 BTC [+]

00:54:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8100 @ 0.00095226 = 7.7133 BTC [+] {2}

01:03:37 asciilifeform: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2014/04/rip-mike-ruppert.html

01:03:37 ozbot: ClubOrlov: RIP Mike Ruppert

01:03:56 asciilifeform: ^ one of the original collapse blog folks took the Colt-45 Retirement Plan.

01:04:54 asciilifeform: (here in usa, the Colt Pension, Life & Health Insurance Co. is doing brisk business.)

01:05:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12750 @ 0.00095588 = 12.1875 BTC [+]

01:06:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.51029099 = 1.0206 BTC [-] {2}

01:14:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6975 @ 0.00095496 = 6.6608 BTC [-]

01:23:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.00095481 = 10.5984 BTC [-] {2}

01:42:38 kakobrekla: forum investors: http://i.imgur.com/BGEedbu.gif

01:45:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11800 @ 0.00095588 = 11.2794 BTC [+]

01:57:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0425 = 0.2125 BTC [-]

01:57:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.032 = 0.16 BTC [-]

01:58:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.0742218 = 0.3711 BTC [-]

01:59:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0425 = 0.2125 BTC [-]

01:59:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.031998 = 0.16 BTC [-] {2}

02:00:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 6 @ 0.0742218 = 0.4453 BTC [-]

02:01:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.04185166 = 0.2511 BTC [-] {6}

02:01:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03199 = 0.16 BTC [-]

02:02:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.0742218 = 0.3711 BTC [-]

02:16:57 dexX7: anyone from bitcoindoc.com here?

02:24:40 mike_c: higher numbers of crackers

02:26:30 mod6: haha kako

02:41:49 ThickAsThieves: <+mircea_popescu> i'll bet you you won't be able to guess all 4. // i likes me a challenge

02:42:07 ThickAsThieves: bingo, davout, uhhh i'm drunk

02:42:53 ThickAsThieves: pankakke, apocalyptic

02:43:25 ThickAsThieves: switch apoc for jurov

02:44:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.51990652 = 1.0398 BTC [+] {2}

02:45:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.0048 = 0.144 BTC [-]

02:45:49 ThickAsThieves: i will take my prize in atc

02:45:52 ThickAsThieves: thanks

02:46:41 ThickAsThieves: appl doing a 7-1 stock split? unexpected!

02:50:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4241 @ 0.00095552 = 4.0524 BTC [-]

03:05:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8458 @ 0.00095445 = 8.0727 BTC [-] {2}

03:10:53 dexX7: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=000al7ru3ms

03:11:16 bitcoinpete: so many logs, so many logs, so many logs, hey hey hey

03:15:24 bitcoinpete: oooo mpif...

03:26:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8040 @ 0.00095507 = 7.6788 BTC [+]

03:27:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC

03:28:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.07499998 = 0.15 BTC [-]

03:33:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3819 @ 0.00095507 = 3.6474 BTC [+]

03:38:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1550 @ 0.00095546 = 1.481 BTC [+]

03:43:00 bitcoinpete: http://in.reuters.com/article/2014/04/23/us-apple-dow-index-idINKBN0D91AJ20140423 <<AAPL 7:1 split, dividend bump, 50% bigger buyback... and i sold 'em all a year ago to the day

03:43:00 ozbot: Apple slice: Share split makes joining the Dow more likely

03:44:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8524 @ 0.00095363 = 8.1287 BTC [-] {3}

03:49:51 bitcoinpete: shoulda noticed ThickAsThieves...

03:50:25 bitcoinpete: .d

03:50:25 ozbot: 6.979 billion | Next Diff in 956 blocks | Estimated Change: 14.3790% in 5d 16h 22m 14s

03:56:34 bitcoinpete: ;;later tell kakobrekla thanks for the link and the lmao forum investors gif!

03:56:34 gribble: The operation succeeded.

03:57:53 ThickAsThieves: the lesson with the stocks is

03:57:57 ThickAsThieves: every price comes twice

03:58:04 ThickAsThieves: tech stocks*

03:58:38 ThickAsThieves: i learned this the hard way with netflix

03:58:46 ThickAsThieves: glad i held my appl

03:58:54 ThickAsThieves: sold my goog at peak

03:59:03 ThickAsThieves: and tsla is a fun ride

04:00:04 ThickAsThieves: btc on the other hand...

04:00:09 ThickAsThieves: fukn ponzi

04:00:44 bitcoinpete: lol pretty much

04:03:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4187 @ 0.00095588 = 4.0023 BTC [+]

04:04:12 bgupta: So is there any way to cryptographically take a blockchain and split it into seperate blockchains but transfer value between the blockchains on a 1/1 ratio, without having them just simply be seperate blockchains with market dynamics?

04:14:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3700 @ 0.00095218 = 3.5231 BTC [-]

04:39:40 bitcoinpete: http://epicureandealmaker.blogspot.ca/2008/10/everyone-can-be-super.html <<trainflakes

04:39:40 ozbot: The Epicurean Dealmaker: Everyone Can Be Super

04:40:39 bitcoinpete: "The gleaming monuments of every society are built high upon the bones and broken dreams of millions and millions of nobodies who hoped for something better."

04:45:04 bitcoinpete: "Here’s the straight dope: you ain’t that great, and you sure as hell ain’t that unique. Get in line with the other millions in your age group and suck it up."

04:45:16 benkay: ;;later tell mircea_popescu let me tell you about this crazy thing some crypto cats were banging on at me about today. given a company who's interested in genes and a uni with a giant set of genes and phone numbers for each, how do you match the people with the company without the company revealing what sequence it's interested in or the uni the people's gene sequences?

04:45:17 gribble: The operation succeeded.

04:47:09 benkay: ;;later tell mircea_popescu "homomorphic or semi-homomorphic" encryption, where 3 parties each control one computer working with the other two in lockstep to solve the problem.

04:47:10 gribble: The operation succeeded.

04:47:25 benkay: asciilifeform: your wisdom and insight on the topic much appreciated to boot.

04:47:54 benkay: "semi homomorphic encryption and multiparty communication" is what the web tells me this snake oil is called.

04:48:27 benkay: off for the night, y'all. please break havelock for me

04:49:10 bitcoinpete: cheers

04:49:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.067173 = 0.3359 BTC [-] {2}

04:49:26 bitcoinpete: we'll try

05:32:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6100 @ 0.00095218 = 5.8083 BTC [-]

05:53:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16400 @ 0.00095303 = 15.6297 BTC [+]

06:03:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1257 @ 0.00095303 = 1.198 BTC [+]

06:03:53 fluffypony: http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/23/justice/postal-worker-jailed-missing-mail/index.html

06:03:53 ozbot: Kentucky postal worker jailed for stashing 44,900 pieces of mail - CNN.com

06:11:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 150 @ 0.0075 = 1.125 BTC [+]

06:15:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 100 @ 0.06555962 = 6.556 BTC [-] {7}

06:16:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 39 @ 0.06522636 = 2.5438 BTC [-] {3}

06:19:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 90 @ 0.06263131 = 5.6368 BTC [-] {5}

06:33:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.00095339 = 5.053 BTC [+] {2}

06:47:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 266 @ 0.00083683 = 0.2226 BTC [+] {2}

06:57:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11350 @ 0.00095099 = 10.7937 BTC [-] {4}

07:04:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6243 @ 0.00095341 = 5.9521 BTC [+]

07:06:01 fluffypony: http://an7isec.blogspot.co.il/2014/04/pown-noobs-acunetix-0day.html

07:06:01 ozbot: An7i Security: Pwn the n00bs - Acunetix 0day

07:06:02 fluffypony: nice

07:06:13 fluffypony: Naphex will enjoy that

07:07:56 HeySteve: hey fluffypony, do you know what sort of customs duty SA would charge on electronics imports?

07:08:29 fluffypony: HeySteve: it depends on what electronics...typically for PC components it's just 14% VAT and a release fee (R15 - R30)

07:08:37 fluffypony: because PC components are classified by customs as "spare parts"

07:08:53 HeySteve: I found a nice camera on coinsfortech selling for btc, works out about R7000 cheaper than on kalahari including shipping

07:09:05 HeySteve: ok so just the VAT thanks

07:09:14 fluffypony: yep

07:09:19 fluffypony: but

07:09:44 fluffypony: CoinsForTech ship with FedEx (SupaSwift is the local agent)

07:10:00 fluffypony: so you'll also have to pay their admin/documentation charges

07:10:23 HeySteve: are those expensive?

07:10:50 fluffypony: yeah, and a camera isn't electronics components, different tarriff heading

07:11:29 fluffypony: not sure what tariff heading they'll list it under

07:11:35 fluffypony: but it looks like they'll charge VAT

07:11:42 fluffypony: then

07:12:07 fluffypony: processing fee of R142.83, disbursement fee of R26.51, release fee of R2, all plus VAT

07:12:27 HeySteve: right. still about R4k cheaper, it's just the wait time

07:13:03 fluffypony: FedEx is fast - 5-10 actual days tops

07:14:04 HeySteve: cool thx

07:21:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4207 @ 0.00095471 = 4.0165 BTC [+]

07:33:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00095417 = 9.7325 BTC [-] {2}

07:38:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6300 @ 0.00095488 = 6.0157 BTC [+] {2}

07:52:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2107 @ 0.00095409 = 2.0103 BTC [-]

08:06:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.04417849 = 0.3092 BTC [+] {3}

08:07:46 fluffypony: moiety: top o' the mornin'

08:08:08 moiety: morning!

08:08:28 mircea_popescu: heya!

08:08:34 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: morning

08:08:59 moiety: how are you guys today?

08:09:11 moiety: i don't feel fully awake

08:09:30 fluffypony: also feeling a little bushed

08:09:31 fluffypony: need a third espresso

08:09:46 wywialm: hello moiety, hello mircea_popescu

08:10:29 mircea_popescu: you people and teh coffee habit.

08:10:45 mircea_popescu: o hey, wywialm didja read my fundamental thing on economics ?

08:11:45 wywialm: yes, i did, i'm in the process of responding

08:12:26 wywialm: it may take a day or so, unfortunately

08:12:58 fluffypony: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1416262/Court-refuses-trial-by-combat.html

08:12:59 ozbot: Court refuses trial by combat - Telegraph

08:13:45 wywialm: would you like to discuss it in the channel or read my opinion in the comments?

08:13:46 mircea_popescu: wywialm no rush!

08:13:50 mircea_popescu: comments better.

08:13:55 wywialm: sure

08:14:06 mircea_popescu: the channel is difficult to sort for all but the most advanced of wizards

08:14:34 Naphex: morning

08:15:15 moiety: I'm now imagining you in full wizard get up when in here

08:15:24 moiety: http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/apr/23/raf-fighter-jets-russian-bombers-scotland

08:15:25 ozbot: RAF fighter jets intercept Russian bombers off coast of Scotland | UK news | theguardian.com

08:15:28 wywialm: good morning, Naphex

08:15:36 mircea_popescu: A court has rejected a 60-year-old man's attempt to invoke the ancient right to trial by combat, rather than pay a ?25 fine for a minor motoring offence.

08:15:36 mircea_popescu: Leon Humphreys remained adamant yesterday that his right to fight a champion nominated by the Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency (DVLA) was still valid under European human rights legislation. He said it would have been a "reasonable" way to settle the matter.

08:15:37 mircea_popescu: nice.

08:15:40 moiety: i don't think they were planning dropping off manuls

08:16:00 mircea_popescu: they were probably planning to show the raf it sucks.

08:17:02 moiety: probably. the base mentioned, Leuchars, is closing too

08:21:41 moiety: what happened with the max keiser fight night thing

08:22:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9043 @ 0.00095074 = 8.5975 BTC [-] {2}

08:24:13 mircea_popescu: anyway, i don;t think the SOPS appreciate the seriousness of the problem. once people are actually willing to fight anyone you fucking name, to the death, your days are quite numbered.

08:24:26 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2013/the-sops-or-what-might-you-expect-from-government-clerks/ etc,

08:24:27 ozbot: The SOPS, or what might you expect from government clerks pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

08:25:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06778263 = 0.1356 BTC [+] {2}

08:26:27 Naphex: ;;ident

08:26:27 gribble: Nick 'Naphex', with hostmask 'Naphex!~naphex@btcxchange.ro', is identified as user 'Naphex', with GPG key id 64CDBADCE1E0BBAF, key fingerprint F3D76A985F5844814A93F46364CDBADCE1E0BBAF, and bitcoin address 12mVDqdWqFY6zrCqNqgHbxhDPB4ZVUuaTu

08:30:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17300 @ 0.00095614 = 16.5412 BTC [+] {2}

08:37:07 mircea_popescu: Naphex cool.

08:41:01 mircea_popescu: Naphex email.

08:50:12 mircea_popescu: !up CheckDavid

08:50:12 assbot: Voicing CheckDavid for 30 minutes.

08:50:20 mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot CheckDavid

08:50:21 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user CheckDavid: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=CheckDavid | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=CheckDavid | Rated since: Fri Apr 11 12:52:24 2014

08:51:03 CheckDavid: How does it work here now mircea_popescu ?

08:51:55 fluffypony: CheckDavid: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/04/11_bitcoin-assets-new-wot-and-voice-model.html

08:52:01 mircea_popescu: ^

08:52:22 CheckDavid: Why not on the topic?

08:53:06 mircea_popescu: possibly because we prefer people ask

08:53:13 mircea_popescu: otherwise because it was never considered

08:53:19 CheckDavid: I see.

08:53:29 CheckDavid: Glad I asked then.

08:53:51 CheckDavid: I have 0 trust :(

08:54:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3900 @ 0.00095232 = 3.714 BTC [-]

08:54:46 mircea_popescu: you gotta get in the trustlist of someone assbot trusts

08:56:42 CheckDavid: I am not doing much business in here or even trading a single satoshi around

08:56:54 CheckDavid: So I don't know much ways on how to do that with begging

08:57:01 CheckDavid: Without

08:57:32 mircea_popescu: the idea is that if you don't trade you prolly don't need voice.

08:57:42 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2014/bitcoin-assets-m/ < that's the philosophy involved.

08:57:42 ozbot: #bitcoin-assets +m pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

08:58:41 CheckDavid: Actually I'm doing business

08:58:41 fluffypony: CheckDavid: go do some trades in -otc then? always good to have some historical ratings on the WoT

08:58:54 CheckDavid: I will ask around for that

08:59:00 fluffypony: there ya go :)

08:59:21 CheckDavid: Such a hassle to authenticate with gribble on a mobile device

08:59:35 mircea_popescu: CheckDavid if you're doing business, then you're definitely doing business with someone here at some point, or with someone they know.

08:59:40 mircea_popescu: a 1 isn't so hard to get historically.

09:00:10 CheckDavid: I see. I will get it

09:00:58 mircea_popescu: i suspect the reason why good crypto is a hassle on smartphones is exactly what one'd expect.

09:01:53 CheckDavid: How do you map a reason to an expectation?

09:02:08 CheckDavid: Your English is too advanced for me

09:02:10 CheckDavid: lol

09:02:37 mircea_popescu: ie, that it's not accidental, but deliberate, as part of a broader govt sponsored industry agreement to keep mobiles weak cryptographically

09:02:58 fluffypony: goes back to the NSA convo from yesterday

09:03:04 CheckDavid: Oh. NSA kinda stuff then rifht,?

09:03:46 CheckDavid: I see

09:04:21 mircea_popescu: as teh observation goes, all nsa successes to date are social engineering, not mathematical.

09:04:43 mircea_popescu: even if bounce would like us to believe they;'re smart, the record is actulaly that they're devious instead.

09:05:30 chetty: doesn't gubermint and devious mean the same thing?

09:05:30 CheckDavid: Who needs to be smart when you can fool a genius?

09:05:32 CheckDavid: Lol

09:05:41 mircea_popescu: http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/04/23/unique-ax-uses-physics-to-make-wood-chopping-smarter-not-harder/

09:05:41 ozbot: Unique Ax Uses Physics to Make Wood Chopping Smarter, Not Harder | TheBlaze.com

09:05:43 mircea_popescu: check this shit out

09:05:59 mircea_popescu: that's the best looking fucking axe i've ever seen

09:10:37 CheckDavid: mircea_popescu: bunch of coolness in there

09:10:49 mircea_popescu: :p

09:11:21 CheckDavid: I was sent a proposal to represent a business in acquiring projects for them on a commission based rewards schedule.

09:11:35 CheckDavid: It's startup in the it industry

09:12:16 davout: mircea_popescu: i recall visiting some old farm, and being shown tools that looked rudimentary, but were in fact perfectly balances as to minimize the strain on the farmer

09:12:23 CheckDavid: But confused me is how the commissions are based on the profit, and not on the sales volume or revenue

09:12:26 davout: s/balances/balanced/

09:12:33 mircea_popescu: CheckDavid hm ?

09:12:36 mircea_popescu: davout indeed.

09:13:09 CheckDavid: mircea_popescu: the proposed commissions on the draft are based on profit

09:13:21 CheckDavid: Like. X% of the profit generated from my sale

09:13:34 CheckDavid: I have never seen this

09:14:23 punkman: that axe looks like it might be awkward when chopping horizontally

09:15:26 chetty: sounds like a bad deal CheckDavid , company can just spend whatever of ads and exec salaries and you get squat

09:15:53 CheckDavid: I know chetty . that's why I found it weird

09:16:19 CheckDavid: Dissimulating profits is a pretty straightforward process

09:16:40 fluffypony: CheckDavid: based on gross profit or net profit?

09:16:48 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo http://dpaste.com/1794160/

09:17:03 CheckDavid: It just says profit in the draft

09:17:05 mircea_popescu: punkman definitely. seems vertical.

09:17:08 CheckDavid: But it's just a draft

09:17:08 fluffypony: I mean, I can understand if there's a fixed CoS and they're calling (CoS - Sales) "profit"

09:17:15 mircea_popescu: CheckDavid i dunno what this is about ?!

09:18:02 CheckDavid: mircea_popescu: just a contract for sales rep that sets commissions to be based on profit instead of sales volume

09:18:19 CheckDavid: I was just wondering if this is normal

09:18:39 CheckDavid: Because I have never seen this kind of arrangement before

09:19:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9650 @ 0.00095239 = 9.1906 BTC [+]

09:20:16 mircea_popescu: well... profit and sales volume correlate

09:20:25 mircea_popescu: so i guess it's just an arbitrary different comission %

09:20:46 mircea_popescu: item sells for 10k, profit is 1k, make 1% of net sales or 10% of net profit, same deal, you make 100 bux per item

09:20:56 mircea_popescu: !up CheckDavid

09:20:56 assbot: Voicing CheckDavid for 30 minutes.

09:20:56 fluffypony: CheckDavid: there is actually some precedent - I have a very good friend who moved here from Sweden to sell industrial cleaning equipment/supplies. he knows the cost of the product, and dependent on the size of the sale he can offer a discount to the client. his comm is based on the "profit" in that it's (sales - cost of sales), so he won't offer a discount on small sales but might determine it worthwhile reducing his comm on a larger sale

09:22:17 mircea_popescu: yeah it's kinda how large deals work. industrial equipment is a perfect example.

09:22:32 mircea_popescu: rarely used in consumer/retail

09:23:10 mircea_popescu: anywya, if you're working for a start-up you want either equity or a salary.

09:23:12 CheckDavid: mircea_popescu: yes. But it's for IT contracts. All contracts are different and have different details

09:23:30 mircea_popescu: in NO case do you work for a startup on a comission basis wtf is this, the land of where they get shit for free ?

09:24:02 CheckDavid: I see fluffypony . actually make sense

09:24:36 CheckDavid: mircea_popescu: really? I don't see why not

09:24:42 CheckDavid: It's sales after all

09:24:55 mircea_popescu: nope.

09:25:07 mircea_popescu: it's building their equity. either they pay for it or you get a share of it.

09:25:30 CheckDavid: I see.

09:25:35 CheckDavid: Well.

09:25:55 CheckDavid: The contacts I generate are supposed to generate life time commissions

09:26:03 mircea_popescu: so this is why you get equity

09:26:10 mircea_popescu: so that they DO generate lifetime comissions.

09:26:21 CheckDavid: Interesting point

09:26:41 fluffypony: yeah

09:26:45 mircea_popescu: people either mean what they say or they lie to you.

09:26:54 mircea_popescu: always very easy to find out which. just, need a little experience in business.

09:27:03 fluffypony: otherwise after a year or two the company can "fold" and reopen to service all the old clients, cutting you out the loop

09:27:16 mircea_popescu: "can". heh.

09:27:26 CheckDavid: I see.

09:27:50 CheckDavid: Though I was thinking about starting collaboration in a more informal manner.

09:28:08 mircea_popescu: informal only works if you're either part of the core or part of a group that can squish them.

09:28:11 fluffypony: there was a rental agency that had this awesome comm structure - find a tenant and you get half of their management fee for the lifetime of the tenant (they charge ~10% of the rent as a management fee)

09:28:22 mircea_popescu: that's why founderds deals work informally, and VCs deals not so much.

09:28:37 CheckDavid: I see.

09:28:51 CheckDavid: I am sure that works for you.

09:29:01 CheckDavid: But maybe I'm not in your position

09:29:19 CheckDavid: A position of experience and financial success

09:29:23 fluffypony: they exploded, dominated the scene as everyone referred their friends and all the home owners wanted tenants through them

09:29:24 fluffypony: fast forward 2 years and they "go bankrupt" and this new crowd that registered a business like a month ago "buys" all their existing contracts and databases and everything for $100 or something stupid

09:29:24 CheckDavid: For lack of better words

09:29:55 mircea_popescu: fluffypony happens all the damned time. i know like... two lawyers that ever successfully litigated the sort of shit

09:29:58 mircea_popescu: one of them's smoking hot too.

09:30:49 fluffypony: someone eventually connects that the new company is owned by the other guy's brother-in-law...cue shitstorm of epic proportions, but they got away with it because laws.

09:31:49 CheckDavid: I see

09:32:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1002 @ 0.00095239 = 0.9543 BTC [+]

09:32:05 CheckDavid: I gotta hustle though

09:32:36 mircea_popescu: CheckDavid jus' sayin'. in the end you do what you gotta do, but always better if you know the score than if you don't.

09:33:15 CheckDavid: The score? Isnt that only known in the end of the game?

09:33:34 CheckDavid: I thought you were still telling me the rules of the game.

09:33:55 CheckDavid: Haha. My total lack of knowledge of these expressions.

09:34:08 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: yeah, but I think the legal framework in the EU in general is more mature...ZA law is Dutch-Roman with some British influence, but there's lots of stuff that has only come about more recently (eg. modern regulation of securities only happened with the Securities Services Act of 2004)

09:36:56 mircea_popescu: anyone seen gloria ?

09:38:22 mircea_popescu: anyway, it's a great film.

09:39:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1050 @ 0.00095232 = 0.9999 BTC [-]

09:40:16 mircea_popescu: !up toddf

09:40:16 assbot: Voicing toddf for 30 minutes.

09:40:19 mircea_popescu: !up LeMarkz

09:40:20 assbot: Voicing LeMarkz for 30 minutes.

09:41:16 mircea_popescu: http://www.script-o-rama.com/movie_scripts/g/gloria-script-transcript-gena-rowlands.html

09:41:16 ozbot: Gloria

09:41:32 mircea_popescu: "Fuck! He don't know the score. He sees a dame like you and a guy like me. He don't know."

09:41:53 mircea_popescu: said by a 6 yo puerto rican kid on the lam to a 50 yo retired blonde prostitute.

09:42:10 toddf: so am i in a void or is any news or chatter about picostocks.com just nonexistent? ;-)

09:42:56 mircea_popescu: ;;google picostocks site:log.bitcoin-assets.com

09:42:57 gribble: NEXT: 06-10-2013 - #bitcoin-assets log: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-10-2013&bots=true; NEXT: 11-06-2013 - #bitcoin-assets log: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-06-2013&bots=true; NEXT: 30-11-2013 - #bitcoin-assets log: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-11-2013&bots=true

09:44:31 toddf: ok so even here, chatter about picostocks is .. dated

09:45:28 jurov: http://www.xbiz.com/news/178172 orly

09:45:33 ozbot: Chase Bank Slams the Door on More Porn Stars - XBIZ.com

09:46:38 mircea_popescu: toddf it's a scam. forget about it already, move on.

09:47:08 toddf: mircea_popescu: picostocks + cointerra sure

09:47:32 toddf: I've put some money in, and have already returned my investment plus, keeps on truckin, so .. 100th at least seems not to be a scam to me

09:47:59 toddf: there are clearly bot based traders present, but how is that new vs other exchanges

09:48:05 mircea_popescu: https://bitcointa.lk/threads/picostocks-100th-s-bitcoin-mine-100th.82106/#msg1495160

09:48:06 ozbot: [PicoStocks] 100TH/s bitcoin mine [100th] | Bitcointa.lk

09:48:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06778368 = 0.3389 BTC [+]

09:48:25 mircea_popescu: this is a poor argument. if you read the logs you'll see you're by no means singular in making that error.

09:49:18 toddf: yes I've followed the thread, same content as on bitcointalk.org

09:49:45 mircea_popescu: yeah, it's the forum of record

09:49:49 toddf: so "I made money, just curious to talk to others who are also there" is a bad argument?

09:49:55 cazalla: toddf: shamefur dispray

09:49:57 mircea_popescu: (keeps everything, including the posts scamtalk.org mods try to hide)

09:50:05 mircea_popescu: toddf it is, yes.

09:50:38 mircea_popescu: it's an exact restatement of "driving faster than i can handle the car while drunk is safe, because i got home alright"

09:50:53 mircea_popescu: you will get fucked one day, and that day you will lose more than all your aggregate gains.

09:51:06 mircea_popescu: ask jurov, ask bugpowder, ask duffer ask what, dozens of people.

09:51:51 mircea_popescu: every single pirate investor "made money". until they didn't.

09:51:56 toddf: hmm, guess I'll focus on refining my btc-e.com trading bot

09:52:12 mircea_popescu: rithm is not voiced, so he can't say anything about thatg :D

09:53:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06779999 = 0.339 BTC [+]

09:53:57 toddf: if ppl not voiced wanna privchat me about picostocks fine. so .. I'll ensure I have net positive out and consinder continued income non reliable .. *shrug*.

09:54:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06779999 = 0.678 BTC [+] {2}

09:55:04 jurov: http://www.coindesk.com/jeff-garzik-announces-partnership-launch-bitcoin-satellites-space/

09:55:13 jurov: blockchain bombardment from orbit

09:55:29 toddf: yeah, that was interesting news when i first read about it

09:55:55 toddf: akin to broadcasting usenet news from orbit

09:56:25 toddf: wonder when someone will skip the expense and simply start broadcasting bitcoin blocks via usenet .. which then can come to you .. from orbit ..

09:57:07 toddf: 'course not the nifty easy receiver mobile device and all that but hey, multiple paths mean more resiliancy right?

09:57:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.0678 = 0.5424 BTC [+]

10:00:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00095232 = 4.9521 BTC [-]

10:11:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6394 @ 0.00095257 = 6.0907 BTC [+] {3}

10:18:28 mircea_popescu: jurov twas here yest :D

10:43:42 Naphex: rainy day

10:43:43 Naphex: ;/

10:44:03 jurov: hm, that's like 1000 lines ago

10:44:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3650 @ 0.00095232 = 3.476 BTC [-]

10:58:35 mircea_popescu: ;;seen ThickAsThieves

10:58:35 gribble: ThickAsThieves was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 hours, 58 minutes, and 25 seconds ago: <ThickAsThieves> fukn ponzi

10:59:55 mircea_popescu: ;;seen dooglus

10:59:56 gribble: dooglus was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 37 weeks, 0 days, 8 hours, 8 minutes, and 6 seconds ago: <dooglus> seen mircea_popescu?

11:09:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9096 @ 0.00095091 = 8.6495 BTC [-] {2}

11:17:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9054 @ 0.00095325 = 8.6307 BTC [+]

11:19:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.0009556 = 5.3514 BTC [+]

11:20:23 ThickAsThieves: good morn

11:22:16 ThickAsThieves: so the neo software guys responded, you'll like this

11:22:29 Anduck: neo as?

11:22:38 fluffypony: Neo&Bee

11:22:44 Anduck: what he responded?

11:22:45 ThickAsThieves: read the logs

11:22:47 fluffypony: the (former) software devs are still figuring things out

11:22:50 Anduck: ThickAsThieves: no

11:22:54 fluffypony: and ThickAsThieves asked them to come here and chat to us

11:23:00 Anduck: will they come?

11:23:11 Anduck: is there a good summary of that whole neo bee casE?

11:23:15 ThickAsThieves: ...

11:23:16 fluffypony: let's find out...back to you in the studio, ThickAsThieves

11:23:19 Anduck: sorry

11:23:30 Anduck: they give + to people with no news knowledge

11:23:32 Anduck: x

11:23:33 Anduck: D

11:23:39 fluffypony: Anduck: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/23cjd9/the_full_picture_of_former_neo_bee_employees/

11:23:40 ThickAsThieves: ;;gettrust anduck

11:23:41 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask Anduck!~anduck@unaffiliated/anduck. Trust relationship from user ThickAsThieves to user anduck: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=ThickAsThieves&dest=anduck | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=anduck | Rated since: Tue May 8 11:28:43 2012

11:23:41 fluffypony: goot starting point

11:23:44 fluffypony: *good

11:24:05 Anduck: ok

11:24:54 Anduck: !up only

11:24:54 assbot: Voicing only for 30 minutes.

11:24:58 Anduck: buwahhahahahw

11:25:04 ThickAsThieves: anduck. what i am referring to has absolutely nothing to do with revelations about what happened to make Neo fall

11:25:10 Anduck: alright

11:25:45 ThickAsThieves: for the most part, that situation is now up to Danny and the authorities

11:26:00 ThickAsThieves: "HI John,

11:26:00 ThickAsThieves: thank you very much for your input and for pointing our a direction! It most certainly helps.

11:26:01 ThickAsThieves: We will approach #bitcoin-assets and see how it goes.

11:26:01 ThickAsThieves: We registered on bitangels.co and we asked Mike Hearn to be our technical advisor and he accepted.

11:26:01 ThickAsThieves: Thanks much!

11:26:01 ThickAsThieves: Michalis"

11:26:23 fluffypony: l

11:26:23 fluffypony: o

11:26:24 fluffypony: l

11:26:26 Anduck: btw

11:26:34 Anduck: tldr neo bee CEO ran with coins, all others are innocent?

11:27:04 ThickAsThieves: you could really benefit from understanding the world around you in its true form

11:27:12 ThickAsThieves: rather than converting everything into a summary

11:27:16 Anduck: true

11:27:20 Anduck: but i am leaving in 2 mins

11:27:24 Anduck: no time to read big papers

11:27:24 ThickAsThieves: it can wait

11:27:28 Anduck: true

11:28:43 ThickAsThieves: http://www.theverge.com/2014/4/24/5646554/andy-warhols-lost-amiga-computer-art-photo-essay

11:28:44 ozbot: Andy Warhol's Amiga computer art found 30 years later | The Verge

11:29:00 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves you have a mpex acct right ?

11:29:04 ThickAsThieves: yes

11:29:08 Anduck: lol

11:29:22 mircea_popescu: ok i got a business proposition for you

11:29:31 ThickAsThieves: shoot

11:30:05 ThickAsThieves: did you know that Amiga pixels were rectangles, not squares

11:30:07 mircea_popescu: it goes like this : the s.mpif is going to be reporting its assets monthly. meanwhile it will probably trade. there should be a mechanism to buy/sell shares to ensure the market stays liquid and more or less alligned to net value. so what i want to do is :

11:30:31 mircea_popescu: ima make you a s.mpif manager, give you 50 BTC , your job is to try and make a profit trading s.mpif of mpex.

11:30:42 mircea_popescu: you get a 10% cut of the results, report your trades monthly.

11:31:00 mircea_popescu: this is also good because it gives some anchor to the fund

11:31:13 mircea_popescu: (it's roughjly the equivalent of a normal ib liquidity clause)

11:31:33 ThickAsThieves: i will have some questions, probly in private

11:31:38 ThickAsThieves: been awake 10min also

11:31:43 mircea_popescu: take your time.

11:31:51 ThickAsThieves: thanks

11:31:54 mircea_popescu: kinda planning to announce the management rooster today, you'd be the 5th.

11:32:05 Anduck: what is mpif?

11:32:15 Anduck: mircea popescus investment fund i assume

11:32:19 mircea_popescu: Anduck tsk tsk not reading teh logs are we

11:32:25 fluffypony: Anduck: http://fraudsters.com/2014/the-wunderbar-smpif/

11:32:29 Anduck: i never read logs if i am not hilighted

11:32:50 fluffypony: kakobrekla: can you make assbot ping Anduck every day at a random time? :-P

11:32:50 ThickAsThieves: well, quit leaning on us to fill in your brain holes!

11:32:53 mircea_popescu: !down Anduck

11:32:53 assbot: mircea_popescu, you can't do that to Anduck.

11:32:57 mircea_popescu: tsk.

11:33:05 Anduck: mircea_popescu: haha

11:33:08 Anduck: off i go

11:33:09 Anduck: -<

11:33:09 mircea_popescu: you get the point.

11:34:44 davout: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=135181.msg6366978#msg6366978 <<< lmao

11:34:45 ozbot: MagicalTux?

11:34:55 ThickAsThieves: mp you see my quoted email from Neo software guys?

11:35:09 ThickAsThieves: it's like a dream

11:35:14 mircea_popescu: i didnt get to lulz yet, still working on you know, actual things :D

11:35:23 ThickAsThieves: word

11:36:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2350 @ 0.0009556 = 2.2457 BTC [+]

11:36:32 fluffypony: davout: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2134

11:36:36 fluffypony: "No one will ever beat this guy's record."

11:36:37 fluffypony: lawl

11:37:37 davout: ;;gettrust MagicalTux

11:37:37 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user davout to user MagicalTux: Level 1: 0, Level 2: -7 via 6 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=davout&dest=MagicalTux | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=MagicalTux | Rated since: Mon Dec 20 13:21:21 2010

11:38:05 davout: ;;rate MagicalTux -10

11:38:06 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of -10 for user MagicalTux has been recorded.

11:38:23 davout: ;;rate mtgox -10

11:38:24 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of -10 for user mtgox has been recorded.

11:38:37 davout: now back to more productive endeavours

11:39:00 mircea_popescu: ;;rated magicaltux

11:39:01 gribble: You have not yet rated user magicaltux

11:39:03 mircea_popescu: heh.

11:39:23 mircea_popescu: ;;rate magicaltux -1 Overly large fuckwit.

11:39:25 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of -1 for user magicaltux has been recorded.

11:39:28 davout: ;;rated jgarzik

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11:39:36 davout: ;;gettrust jgarzik

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11:39:38 ThickAsThieves: ;;rate MagicalTux -10 took all my lulz away

11:39:39 gribble: Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.

11:39:46 fluffypony: lol - "If gox is solvent I'll buy you a Frappucino"

11:39:50 ThickAsThieves: weird

11:39:53 ThickAsThieves: i never logged out

11:39:58 ThickAsThieves: gribble blinked?

11:40:04 ThickAsThieves: i still haz voice tho

11:40:05 fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: was offline for a bit

11:40:10 ThickAsThieves: hax

11:40:12 davout: ;;rate jgarzik 3 dem satellites

11:40:13 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 3 for user jgarzik has been recorded.

11:40:34 davout: ;;rate jgarzik 3 dem satellites, dat bounty

11:40:35 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user jgarzik has changed from 3 to 3.

11:40:52 davout: ;;gettrust ladybytes

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11:40:54 mircea_popescu: Al Gore asserted that it?s crucial for global philanthropists to impose ?fertility management? on Africa.

11:41:03 mircea_popescu: if you like your big penis you can keep your big penis.

11:42:19 asciilifeform: snippetysnip

11:43:03 davout: ;;rate justmoon 1 met IRL, nice guy

11:43:04 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user justmoon has been recorded.

11:43:25 fluffypony: looking at the new TLDs that are available...I can get rs.guru

11:43:26 fluffypony: lawl

11:44:07 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: mp.ceo is still available

11:44:29 mircea_popescu: i couldn't care less tbh

11:45:23 davout: ;;rate molecular 1 met IRL, nice guy

11:45:24 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user molecular has been recorded.

11:45:58 ThickAsThieves: ceo is a domain tld?

11:46:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00095222 = 9.3318 BTC [-] {2}

11:46:34 asciilifeform: do we get a '.wtf' ?

11:46:55 ThickAsThieves: or .dotdot

11:48:04 fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: yerp

11:49:11 fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: you can get tat.ventures

11:49:35 fluffypony: .enterprises is also available

11:49:35 ozbot: -.-

11:49:35 ozbot: -.-

11:49:35 ozbot: earn currently unavailable

11:49:44 fluffypony: ozbot: I think I confused you

11:50:15 *: jurov runs for jurov.vermögensberatung

11:50:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.52695644 = 4.7426 BTC [+] {5}

11:50:37 *: fluffypony asks his wife for a translation

11:50:46 fluffypony: wealth consultant?

11:51:05 jurov: in practice just salesman of "life insurance"

11:51:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03199 = 0.16 BTC [-]

11:51:22 fluffypony: ah ok

11:52:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.04150006 = 0.1245 BTC [-] {3}

11:53:19 mircea_popescu: blutjunge.verf?hrerinnen ftw

11:53:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.031988 = 0.128 BTC [-]

11:53:39 mircea_popescu: jurov i love how english berating and german beratung are cognates.

11:53:48 asciilifeform: lol!

11:54:13 mircea_popescu: consultancy, in the germanz view, is "omfg you are so stupid i can not even believe how stupid you are"

11:56:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.04111429 = 0.2878 BTC [-] {2}

12:04:24 thestringpuller: kakobrekla: what kind of bot is assbot?

12:04:46 ThickAsThieves: a kind one

12:04:54 thestringpuller: >:( unlike ThickAsThieves

12:05:19 asciilifeform: 'tis a machine that threads arses. thought this was clear.

12:08:02 mircea_popescu: supybot i thought

12:09:46 asciilifeform: https://web.archive.org/web/20050309210742/http://www.informatics.sussex.ac.uk/users/adrianth/ices96/paper.html

12:09:47 ozbot: #tex2html_wrap430#

12:09:52 asciilifeform: ^ promised this to people at the conference

12:10:00 kakobrekla: its not supy

12:10:15 kakobrekla: i made it so its not anything

12:11:31 kakobrekla: it was coded way before -assets tbh, then repurchased

12:11:34 kakobrekla: eh

12:11:40 kakobrekla: autofail

12:11:58 kakobrekla: repurposed

12:12:30 kakobrekla: interestingly it tries to fix the correct word.

12:12:39 asciilifeform: phun phact. you can't buy a XC6216 now - for love or money.

12:12:54 kakobrekla: anyway im off for a couple of hrs. later

12:13:50 asciilifeform: (XC6216 was the one and only known fpga where random wiring was guaranteed -never- to release the magic smoke.)

12:15:50 asciilifeform: it was also the only xilinx chip with 100% documented internals.

12:18:10 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2014/the-wunderbar-smpif/ << updated, lots of stuff. including teh managers/pcs etc.

12:18:11 ozbot: The wunderbar S.MPIF pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

12:18:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 461 @ 0.00095439 = 0.44 BTC [+]

12:24:35 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: crew man #5 (TaT) sort of reminds me of my first exposure to MPEx.

12:25:16 mircea_popescu: how so ?

12:25:30 asciilifeform: well, it was 'here, try to make profit, do what you like'

12:25:39 mircea_popescu: hehe

12:25:52 asciilifeform: 'here's a chaingun, kid, have fun'

12:26:02 mircea_popescu: it's how you treat kids you'd like to see grow up into people.

12:28:55 asciilifeform: i assume all five fronts are manually-driven, like soviet nuke subs ?

12:28:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3850 @ 0.00095197 = 3.6651 BTC [-]

12:31:39 chetty: http://l3.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/EYUaXpcFAArImWCAnJ5nPg--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9ZmlsbDtoPTY4MTtweW9mZj0wO3E9NzU7dz05NjA-/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/Reuters/2014-04-24T111324Z_1272560593_GM1EA4O15BV01_RTRMADP_3_JAPAN-USA-OBAMA.JPG

12:32:53 asciilifeform: chetty: lol, mein F?hrer is permitted near a robot ?!

12:33:38 davout: mircea_popescu: mazeltov for S.MPIF !

12:35:57 chetty: asciilifeform, he is bowing to it

12:36:24 asciilifeform: chetty: good time for a tragic 'bug', i'd say.

12:36:33 chetty: awww

12:37:49 mircea_popescu: davout :D

12:37:59 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, which is why they have their own managers

12:38:03 asciilifeform: in his place, i'd avoid standing next to programmable hydraulics.

12:39:09 jurov: did obama try google car yet?

12:39:09 chetty: asciilifeform, nah he has best insurance policy - its called Biden

12:39:16 asciilifeform: lol

12:40:36 asciilifeform: http://cs320531.vk.me/v320531523/742f/5YlAkJjGgaA.jpg

12:40:46 mircea_popescu: benkay sure. a lot of excellent application for homomorphisms in crypto, many of them empowered/exposed by bitcoin

12:40:52 mircea_popescu: and the subsequent developments in finance.

12:41:09 asciilifeform: homomorph? what'd i miss in the log?

12:41:11 asciilifeform: damn

12:43:25 asciilifeform: benkay: "homomorphic or semi-homomorphic" encryption, where 3 parties each control << this is an entire science. see, for instance, Pascal Paillier's boojum.

12:46:12 mircea_popescu: whoa http://www.sogou.com/

12:46:19 mircea_popescu: apparently i'm huge in china

12:47:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 82 @ 0.00455081 = 0.3732 BTC [-] {3}

12:48:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 34 @ 0.00451371 = 0.1535 BTC [-]

12:53:33 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-04-2014#639568 <<< funny how fucking wrong he were :D

12:53:36 ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log

12:53:59 mircea_popescu: i mean... not a single correct one at all. 0. zilch. nada.

12:54:02 mircea_popescu: "i will take my prize in atc" the man says.

12:55:12 asciilifeform: now toast to the five sappers. may they never err.

12:56:15 mircea_popescu: centanni

12:58:43 Naphex: woot. new servers got here :D

12:58:53 Naphex: time to do some benchs

12:59:57 Naphex: 2xE5-2640v2 - 4x8GB(RECC) - 8x256GB(SAM/SSD) - LSI9271-8i 2RU :D

13:00:44 fluffypony: nice

13:01:04 asciilifeform: ;;later tell kakobrekla pcb folks? do they also pick'n'place, SMT?

13:01:04 gribble: The operation succeeded.

13:01:16 thestringpuller: asciilifeform: how bout a toast to true capitalism?

13:02:56 Naphex: 2xE5-2620v2 - 4x8GB(RECC) - 2x600GB(ST/SAS) - LSi9260-4i 1RU

13:02:59 Naphex: for the smallies

13:02:59 Naphex: :D

13:04:41 mircea_popescu: chetty https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bl_IjnqCUAELlUW.png

13:05:04 Naphex: haha

13:06:11 mircea_popescu: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bl_B5p6CcAAEBhd.png

13:06:13 mircea_popescu: this dude

13:06:55 mircea_popescu: why is he not in the wot is what i wanna know. clearly he's seeking the approval of the people that make the world turn

13:07:04 Naphex: http://gfycat.com/ElderlyAptCorydorascatfish - i loled hard :))

13:07:04 ozbot: You got goxed - Gfycat

13:07:21 mircea_popescu: hey, DRKP or KDPR or DERP or wtf it's called secret services : drop the man a memo wtf.

13:08:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.52194701 = 1.0439 BTC [-] {2}

13:08:46 fluffypony: ;;rate kimjongun 1 our glorious leader

13:08:46 gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.

13:08:49 fluffypony: :(

13:09:18 asciilifeform: if the kid can sign up for 'warcraft', why not wot ?

13:10:15 mircea_popescu: cause the idjits at his ss ain't doin' their job.

13:10:31 mircea_popescu: you hear me ? put down the white powder and get to work, pancakefaces!

13:10:45 fluffypony: pankkakefaces?

13:10:55 mircea_popescu: well they're not french

13:11:47 mircea_popescu: "1 in 7 crimes committed in New York City now involves an Apple product being stolen."

13:11:58 mircea_popescu: APPLE TO BE BANNED BY USG

13:17:25 davout: betar ban ny

13:19:23 HeySteve: looks like some gox coins went into maidsafe

13:19:33 HeySteve: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=579797.msg6370852#msg6370852

13:20:23 HeySteve: how you guys all doing today?

13:27:51 fluffypony: well, it it's good enough for Karpeles, it's good enough for me

13:28:03 *: fluffypony invests all his ATC in MaidSafe

13:29:44 Luke-Jr: [13:11:59] <mircea_popescu> APPLE TO BE BANNED BY USG <-- please!

13:30:23 asciilifeform: s/banned/mandatory

13:31:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.00095084 = 3.2329 BTC [-]

13:36:13 hanbot: ;;rate asciilifeform 1 Valiant soldier of solder.

13:36:14 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user asciilifeform has been recorded.

13:36:14 fluffypony: Naphex: opinion on Voxility srl?

13:36:27 chetty: http://journals.aps.org/prl/abstract/10.1103/PhysRevLett.111.033601

13:36:29 ozbot: Phys. Rev. Lett. 111, 033601 (2013) - Stopped Light and Image Storage by Electromagnetically Induced

13:37:09 asciilifeform: chetty: next thing we know, we're using delay-line storage again.

13:37:22 asciilifeform: and it's 1958 again.

13:39:17 chetty: asciilifeform, sometimes I think that would be an improvement

13:39:22 Naphex: fluffypony: never used them. but i'n genereal i wouldn't run bitcoin services on anything else then dedicated owned servers :P

13:40:11 fluffypony: Naphex: I'm not, just a friend using them for his ownCloud data (1gbps colocated box)

13:41:25 asciilifeform: ;;rate hanbot 1 had the honour of meeting this user in person.

13:41:26 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user hanbot has been recorded.

13:42:14 Naphex: i'm not a fan of the cloud

13:42:43 Naphex: i still prefer having my own serves(bought hardware), coloc'd at industrial datacenters

13:42:49 Naphex: where you get an account manager that you know

13:42:50 Naphex: :P

13:43:14 fluffypony: Naphex: http://owncloud.org - it's just a FOSS implementation of a Google Drive/DropBox style service, so you have to host your own server to run it

13:43:45 asciilifeform: that's like building a replica of public toilet in your house.

13:43:55 asciilifeform: sure, you can... but why

13:44:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 2 @ 0.14 = 0.28 BTC

13:44:26 fluffypony: asciilifeform: if you're a company that doesn't want to trust your data to DropBox for sensitivity reasons, but still need to have similar functionality, it's great

13:44:52 fluffypony: not talking about über-paranoid data, but spreadsheets and docs and the like

13:46:27 asciilifeform: if you're inside friendly walls, even 'nfs' ought to suffice

13:46:47 hanbot: ;;rate davout 1 Delivered a worthy smackdown.

13:46:49 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user davout has been recorded.

13:46:52 Naphex: off home. later

13:47:10 hanbot: ;;rate mike_c 1 Steel will, neat skills.

13:47:11 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user mike_c has been recorded.

13:47:43 fluffypony: asciilifeform: agreed, but this is for contractors and staff scattered all over the place; all ownCloud comm is over an https api

13:48:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC

13:49:54 fluffypony: the dude looking at the MaidSafe investments: "I've traced back the BTC Guild admin too. There're big guys involved in this scam."

13:51:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12581 @ 0.00095187 = 11.9755 BTC [+]

13:51:41 fluffypony: ;;later tell bitcoinpete oh look, surprise surprise, stolen mtgox coins have been invested in MaidSafe - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=579797.msg6370815#msg6370815

13:51:42 gribble: The operation succeeded.

13:53:16 hanbot: ;;rate kakobrekla 1 A reliable bloke who rolls a good fag.

13:53:17 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user kakobrekla has been recorded.

13:53:31 HeySteve: this rickety tincan s'effrican internet can go to the devil

13:53:58 HeySteve: learnt to tolerate most of it the time but writing breaking news is not the time for this crap

13:54:01 fluffypony: HeySteve: run a bouncer off a VPS or something, then you won't miss anything

13:54:33 fluffypony: HeySteve: MTN's fibre-to-the-home stuff is coming later this year

13:54:38 HeySteve: well there's the log, but it's that I'm trying to verify the story by searching about the blockchain and forum

13:54:39 fluffypony: should be a lot more stable than DSL

13:54:49 HeySteve: fluffypony, yeah just heard, praise jebus

13:55:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.00095084 = 3.0427 BTC [-]

13:55:56 bounce: pfft. some adsl is perfectly stable.

13:56:37 fluffypony: bounce: depends on your distance to the MSAN here

13:56:50 fluffypony: most of our phone lines are still on wooden poles

13:57:02 fluffypony: with a dangly piece of wire running precariously from your roof to the pole

13:57:59 HeySteve: eh, was just on roof with pole trying to connect to WUG but trees seem to have firmly occluded signals

13:58:04 HeySteve: not my year for comms

13:58:30 HeySteve: sure I could've got thru that to someone with better net, despite their "T&Cs"

14:00:35 HeySteve: http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/news/breaking-mt-gox-maidsafe-gox-coins-flowing-maidsafe-ipo/2014/04/24

14:02:01 fluffypony: HeySteve: you linked to blockchain.info/ru/tags which is russian

14:03:51 HeySteve: damn

14:03:53 HeySteve: thanks man

14:04:24 HeySteve: just saw it was in english

14:04:31 asciilifeform: the hell's 'maidsafe'

14:04:43 asciilifeform: defence against 'evil maid attack' ?

14:04:48 davout: mircea_popescu: hanbot == mpoe-pr i presume?

14:04:51 HeySteve: I ain't 100% sure myself but basically decentralised interwebs

14:04:58 HeySteve: a bit like Freenet I think

14:05:12 asciilifeform: if like freenet, it needs coin why?

14:05:24 HeySteve: seemed nice from the PR I guess? then there was some associated bullshit with Mastercoin pay-ins to get MaidSafe coins - I didn't really follow the story tho

14:05:39 HeySteve: so it seems scammy and now Karpeles is jumping in to the scam pool

14:05:42 HeySteve: apparently

14:06:11 davout: ;;rate hanbot 1 delivered a fuckton of worthy smackdowns

14:06:12 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user hanbot has been recorded.

14:08:10 hanbot: davout oui

14:08:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 74 @ 0.00470969 = 0.3485 BTC [+] {2}

14:08:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4500 @ 0.00095084 = 4.2788 BTC [-]

14:08:40 ThickAsThieves: welcome hanbot!

14:08:50 hanbot: why ty

14:09:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 281 @ 0.00471 = 1.3235 BTC [+]

14:10:26 fluffypony: asciilifeform: it's basically exactly like Freenet except for some reason they "need" $3.5 mil to write the software and launch

14:10:56 hanbot: ;;rate thickasthieves 1 Conscientious reflector.

14:10:57 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user thickasthieves has been recorded.

14:12:02 HeySteve: fluffypony where did you find that quote from the guy looking into Maidsafe?

14:12:08 fluffypony: HeySteve: on the thread

14:12:13 fluffypony: lemme find it

14:12:29 fluffypony: HeySteve: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=579797.msg6372186#msg6372186

14:15:06 asciilifeform: ;;rate Oleanie 1 live human!

14:15:07 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user Oleanie has been recorded.

14:16:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 800 @ 0.14 = 112 BTC

14:17:12 HeySteve: thanks

14:20:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 2 @ 0.14 = 0.28 BTC

14:24:30 hanbot: ;;rate jurov 1 A dili-, intelli-, gent.

14:24:31 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user jurov has been recorded.

14:25:04 jurov: you're welcome. coinbr customer or?

14:25:23 fluffypony: jurov: [16:04:49] <+davout> mircea_popescu: hanbot == mpoe-pr i presume?

14:25:37 asciilifeform: yes

14:25:50 hanbot: nod

14:25:52 jurov: oh :)

14:26:02 asciilifeform: fluffypony: they "need" $3.5 mil << one could build a... submarine. for this

14:26:29 bounce: and then you have a submarine. then what?

14:26:33 fluffypony: asciilifeform: so going back to your bitcoin-undersea-nodes idea;)

14:26:45 asciilifeform: bounce: unterseeminer

14:26:53 fluffypony: ^^

14:27:15 asciilifeform: just example.

14:27:16 ThickAsThieves: the pinodecchio would need to be located in places deemed unfishable

14:27:18 jurov: how would they broadcast? ultrasound? or they'll automatically seek and tap fiber?

14:27:27 asciilifeform: ;;google SOFAR

14:27:28 gribble: Sofar Sounds: http://sofarsounds.com/; SOFAR channel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SOFAR_channel; Eminem - So Far (Lyrics On Screen) - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSEXEiY72JA

14:27:47 bounce: maybe cheaper to get a 2nd hand sea platform or something

14:27:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9250 @ 0.00095187 = 8.8048 BTC [+]

14:28:11 asciilifeform: bounce: platform - psh. the whole point is to put them where nosy parkers can't get at them

14:28:18 asciilifeform: or, when they do, barometer triggers detonator

14:29:21 bounce: parkers? but wouldn't a cold war bunker be cheaper then?

14:29:35 asciilifeform: bounce: not if you want 10,000 of them

14:29:49 fluffypony: if anyone wants me to put them down as a CoinBr referral...first to give me their invitation code gets it

14:30:03 asciilifeform: consider the cost of sailing to just one precisely-specified coordinate pair in the deep sea

14:30:26 bounce: that's 3.5e11 dollahs. maybe a little on the spendy side.

14:31:01 bounce: oh, 3.5e10, my bad.

14:31:03 asciilifeform: point was, if the only object is to put machines in physically-inaccessible places, rather than cover the planet with radio, the sea is a more appropriate place than orbit.

14:31:40 bounce: do you need mobility? access?

14:31:47 asciilifeform: no mobility

14:31:54 asciilifeform: no repair

14:32:13 asciilifeform: just ampoules of inconel alloy, straddling the thermocline.

14:32:28 asciilifeform: with some very simplish silicon inside.

14:32:32 bounce: then concrete caissons might be more appropriate.

14:32:43 asciilifeform: 1km down?

14:32:52 asciilifeform: lol

14:33:44 bounce: why not? just thicken them up a bit. perhaps fill with cooling liquid if pressure becomes a problem. no need for air inside.

14:34:02 asciilifeform: no need for caissons. plain anchors would suffice.

14:34:52 ThickAsThieves: fluffypony Q9gPSuUvYS

14:34:57 fluffypony: oh there we go

14:35:05 fluffypony: just in time

14:35:14 bounce: you're trying to play a numbers game. why the spendy alloys when something stupid like concrete would do?

14:35:50 jurov: saltwater breaks down concrete

14:36:17 jurov: or at least permeates

14:36:37 jurov: you'd like your payload dry, i suppose

14:39:38 bounce: plastic liner, perhaps mineral oil instead of air for a filler

14:40:02 bounce: entirely underwater appears to be less of a problem than half-submerged

14:42:03 bounce: http://www.concreteconstruction.net/concrete-construction/salt-water-concrete.aspx

14:42:05 ozbot: Salt-water Concrete - Concrete Construction

14:45:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03249999 = 0.13 BTC [+] {2}

14:46:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.0435 = 0.261 BTC [+] {2}

14:46:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0325 = 0.13 BTC [+] {2}

14:47:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 6 @ 0.0742218 = 0.4453 BTC [-]

14:53:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19659 @ 0.00095061 = 18.688 BTC [-] {4}

14:54:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24041 @ 0.00094938 = 22.824 BTC [-] {2}

15:01:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 850 @ 0.14 = 119 BTC

15:02:08 fluffypony: crumbs, so someone suggested returning the mtgox coins sent to MaidSafe to the sender - so Dan Larimer from BitShares says: "Sending them back to the thief? That makes no sense. They should either be sent to the bankruptcy court, destroyed as dividends to bitcoin holders, or used for development of maidsafe... the only thing that must not happen is the issuance of Safecoin to the thief."

15:02:50 fluffypony: meanwhile there are 6 hops between the "mtgox" address and the ScamSafe address, any of which could be an exchange or a tumbler

15:09:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9949 @ 0.00095187 = 9.4702 BTC [+]

15:13:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14100 @ 0.00094924 = 13.3843 BTC [-] {2}

15:13:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.032948 = 0.1977 BTC [+]

15:14:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.0742218 = 0.2227 BTC [-]

15:15:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0415 = 0.2075 BTC [-]

15:16:17 mike_c: kakobrekla feature request: it would be nice to have yes/no bets confirmed/weighted sum in the BB json. it can be calculated from the bets, so not high priority, but if you're bored :)

15:16:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.0742218 = 0.2227 BTC [-]

15:17:47 ThickAsThieves: i have additional request, a "scroll to bottom" button on the log

15:18:04 ThickAsThieves: mostly for mobile

15:18:05 mike_c: to avoid having to press the 'end' key?

15:18:07 mike_c: ah

15:18:27 ThickAsThieves: unless there is some magical stroke in android?

15:18:34 mike_c: not that i know of

15:18:57 jurov: yes, for tables it's nice too. i had to install some obscure threefinger dolphin plugin

15:19:09 jurov: for "scroll to end"

15:28:14 mike_c: and if you're in there, small bug report: weight_current is an int, but weight_end is a string.

15:44:16 ThickAsThieves: apparently i know a guy that knows a guy here: https://www.atlasats.com/about

15:44:19 ThickAsThieves: well,

15:44:23 ThickAsThieves: https://www.atlasats.com

15:44:36 ThickAsThieves: seems the offer options

15:44:38 ThickAsThieves: they

15:45:45 mike_c: multi-tiered multi-firewall. sounds secure!

15:47:00 ThickAsThieves: ^0^

15:48:20 benkay: jurov that porn star bank thing is just unreal

15:49:23 ThickAsThieves: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/04/24/voicemail_still_easy_to_hack/

15:51:30 fluffypony: ThickAsThieves

15:51:50 fluffypony: those are the guys that are partnering with that "National Stock Exchange" crowd?

15:52:03 fluffypony: yes looks like they are

15:53:18 benkay: mircea_popescu: regarding the emacs thing, it's just a bit of lisp to make working with gribble and assbot a little more pleasant.

15:58:26 benkay: ThickAsThieves re neo hackers, what'd mircea_popescu say? they're looking for incompetent leadership?

16:01:38 fluffypony: http://blog.spagni.net/posts/2014-04-24/

16:02:15 benkay: who is hanbot ?

16:02:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.55993150 BTC to 7`105 shares, 36030 satoshi per share

16:02:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1170 @ 0.00095187 = 1.1137 BTC [+]

16:02:34 benkay: hanbot, who are you?

16:02:37 benkay: ;;gettrust hanbot

16:02:37 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask hanbot!~hanbot@unaffiliated/hanbot. Trust relationship from user benkay to user hanbot: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 5 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=hanbot | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=hanbot | Rated since: Wed Dec 11 14:42:14 2013

16:02:45 asciilifeform: benkay: hanbot aka mpoepr

16:02:45 hanbot: benkay MPOE-PR

16:03:09 jurov: ThickAsThieves: did you publish the email somewhere?

16:03:17 benkay: was hoping. nice to have you.

16:03:46 benkay: ;;rate hanbot 1

16:03:47 gribble: Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.

16:03:50 benkay: wat

16:04:00 benkay: is there an ident timeout?

16:04:10 benkay: ;;eauth benkay

16:04:11 gribble: Request successful for user benkay, hostmask benkay!~user@2600:4402:c002:3::854:fb5e. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/2AFA1A9FD2D031DA

16:04:13 hanbot: benkay cheers

16:04:48 benkay: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:b6805062a69d88d6bbd941cb26ed5f37f08141da4d583b9f9ce7e73e

16:04:49 gribble: You are now authenticated for user benkay with key 2AFA1A9FD2D031DA

16:04:54 ThickAsThieves: <+benkay> ThickAsThieves re neo hackers, what'd mircea_popescu say? they're looking for incompetent leadership? /// wow, good call

16:04:55 benkay: ;;rate hanbot 1

16:04:56 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user hanbot has been recorded.

16:05:08 benkay: still curious about timeout

16:05:27 ThickAsThieves: yes jurov the latest email says: HI John,

16:05:28 ThickAsThieves: thank you very much for your input and for pointing our a direction! It most certainly helps.

16:05:28 ThickAsThieves: We will approach #bitcoin-assets and see how it goes.

16:05:28 ThickAsThieves: We registered on bitangels.co and we asked Mike Hearn to be our technical advisor and he accepted.

16:05:28 ThickAsThieves: Thanks much!

16:05:28 ThickAsThieves: Michalis

16:05:38 benkay: ;;unrate fluffypony

16:05:38 gribble: Error: You have not given this nick a rating previously.

16:05:56 benkay: ;;unrate mrstickball

16:05:57 gribble: Successfully removed your rating for mrstickball.

16:06:06 benkay: ;;unrate cgcardona_

16:06:07 gribble: Successfully removed your rating for cgcardona_.

16:06:22 benkay: ;;unrate dignork

16:06:24 gribble: Successfully removed your rating for dignork.

16:06:52 benkay: ;;unrate TestingUnoDosTres

16:06:53 gribble: Error: The target nick does not exist in the database.

16:07:02 benkay: ;;unrate TestingUnoDosTre

16:07:03 gribble: Successfully removed your rating for TestingUnoDosTre.

16:07:15 benkay: mas bueno.

16:07:18 ThickAsThieves: jurov otherwise i'll leave it to them to present a more elaborate document of their plan

16:08:57 fluffypony: benkay: mass unrates?

16:09:10 ThickAsThieves: looks like rates he gave for +m purposes

16:09:42 benkay: <fluffypony> with a dangly piece of wire running precariously from your roof to the pole << and i thought the romanian internet situation was dire.

16:10:08 benkay: fluffypony, ThickAsThieves i'm testing a scarcity hunch

16:10:15 benkay: i'll let you know how it goes in a decade.

16:10:17 fluffypony: benkay: when the wind blows that piece of wire hits a tree and our Internet drops

16:10:22 asciilifeform: benkay: the romanian internet situation was dire << don't know about the rest of Ro, but in Timis. there were fiber bundles as thick as a man's neck, everywhere.

16:10:24 fluffypony: and we have reboot the router to reconnect

16:11:11 ThickAsThieves: "At ZeroBlock, we encourage all exchanges in the bitcoin community to adopt FIX protocol, if they haven’t already. "

16:11:21 ThickAsThieves: mpex better get with teh programz!

16:11:23 ThickAsThieves: https://blog.blockchain.com/2014/04/24/zeroblock-release-fix-api/

16:11:23 ozbot: Zeroblock Releases FIX API Spec for Bitcoin Trading | Blockchain Blog

16:12:29 benkay: asciilifeform: mircea_popescu posted a picture a few months back of the amusing repair job done on the wire into his house/

16:13:21 asciilifeform: i think it was a plant of his, rather than house

16:13:45 dexX7: ;;later tell fluffypony re: "Blockchain.info still have to approve tags based on the reference material" -> http://canibuildasitehandlingotherpeoplesmoney.com/b.html

16:13:46 gribble: The operation succeeded.

16:14:03 benkay: house, plant. employees, slaves...

16:14:09 fluffypony: dexX7: LOL

16:15:03 fluffypony: admittedly their approval process isn't much of a process

16:15:12 fluffypony: "ctrl+f...ok cool approve"

16:17:03 benkay: <ThickAsThieves> unless there is some magical stroke in android? << my android has some magical strokes, ThickAsThieves, but i'm not sharing :D

16:17:05 dexX7: hehe yup, something like that

16:17:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25030 @ 0.0009517 = 23.8211 BTC [-] {2}

16:17:59 dexX7: it's pretty much worthless related to verification, e.g. https://blockchain.info/address/1111111111111111111114oLvT2

16:19:27 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> s/banned/mandatory << interestingly enough, these two are practically the same thing.

16:19:44 asciilifeform: 'all which is not forbidden is compulsory'

16:20:15 mircea_popescu: Naphex where are you hosting, tesari's magical oradea dc ?

16:21:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 223 @ 0.00084219 = 0.1878 BTC {2}

16:24:40 Naphex: mircea_popescu: gts telecom

16:24:47 Naphex: bucharest

16:25:02 Naphex: deficated locked down racks

16:25:42 mircea_popescu: <fluffypony> with a dangly piece of wire running precariously from your roof to the pole << funny, that's how romania does optic fibre.

16:25:43 Naphex: highly recommend it

16:25:52 benkay: defecated racks?!

16:25:55 benkay: now with poop security.

16:26:10 asciilifeform: dangly piece of wire running precariously from your roof to the pole << exactly what i have here

16:26:11 Naphex: benkay: hehe sorry ben, using phone

16:26:20 Naphex: in bed and laizy :)

16:26:23 benkay: no apologies necessary.

16:26:41 asciilifeform: underground comms - expensive

16:26:47 fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: FIX is quite an interesting, old (early 90's) protocol that is basically pipe-char separated key-values (key is always numeric and based on a predefined list), and you literally dump the ASCII over a TCP session

16:26:53 fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: slides - http://www.slideshare.net/aiQUANT/fix-protocol-overview-1697394

16:26:59 mircea_popescu: <davout> mircea_popescu: hanbot == mpoe-pr i presume? < aye

16:27:42 Naphex: fix sucks

16:27:44 fluffypony: asciilifeform: when we were still in Cape Town it had all been replaced with underground in our area, so it was dangly piece of wire straight into plastic trunking at the curb

16:27:51 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> ;;rate Oleanie 1 live human! <<< women aren't human!

16:27:59 Naphex: but i wrote a interface for it just in case :p

16:28:15 mircea_popescu: <bounce> and then you have a submarine. then what? << then they could hold their breath ? :D

16:28:18 fluffypony: Naphex: it's significantly faster for HFT than a RESTful API :)

16:28:40 Naphex: for sure

16:28:52 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: martian?

16:29:09 fluffypony: Naphex: I'm impressed you're ready to support it, you should go tell Blockchain that you're the first in the world to do so :-P

16:29:27 fluffypony: Naphex: https://blog.blockchain.com/2014/04/24/zeroblock-release-fix-api/

16:29:30 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform venusian!

16:29:52 asciilifeform: lol

16:30:16 Naphex: will deff integrate with rtbtc

16:30:33 Naphex: zeroblock

16:30:59 mircea_popescu: <fluffypony> i think you misunderstand the entire maidsafe thing. they just saw the bitbet treatment of late bets and are trying to implement something a) bigger and b) community-positive.

16:31:08 mircea_popescu: missing the point that it's small and community-negative FOR FUCKING REASONS

16:31:23 mircea_popescu: because that's what the would-be smart idiots not in here do : they misinterpret and misread my designs.

16:31:26 mircea_popescu: rather luciferic.

16:32:08 fluffypony: I don't understand...maidsafe's trying to do a bitbet?

16:32:40 mircea_popescu: the entire " They should either be sent to the bankruptcy court, destroyed as dividends to bitcoin holders, ~or used for development of maidsafe~..." thing

16:33:11 fluffypony: oh Danny boy's quote, tks, have context nao

16:33:48 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves> <+benkay> ThickAsThieves re neo hackers << lol i actually said EXACTLY that.

16:33:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4642 @ 0.00095176 = 4.4181 BTC [+]

16:33:58 ThickAsThieves: so maidsafe wants to moderate what color money itll accept now?

16:34:16 mircea_popescu: <ThickAsThieves> We registered on bitangels.co and we asked Mike Hearn to be our technical advisor and he accepted. << this can't possibly go any other way than lulz

16:34:34 fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: yerz...hence this post: http://blog.spagni.net/posts/2014-04-24/

16:34:40 ThickAsThieves: cuz taking on celebrity bitcoin advisers has worked so well so far

16:35:08 ThickAsThieves: your blog is pretty

16:35:23 mircea_popescu: <ThickAsThieves> mpex better get with teh programz! << who's zeroblock is more the q.

16:35:39 Naphex: mircea_popescu: former rtbtc

16:35:50 mircea_popescu: !up dooglus

16:35:50 assbot: Voicing dooglus for 30 minutes.

16:36:04 mircea_popescu: dooglus you know how to up yourself ?

16:36:26 fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: tks, it's jekyll, which generates static html from markdown basically, and uses this jekyll theme: https://github.com/caarlos0/up

16:36:47 mircea_popescu: <Naphex> deficated locked down racks << only way to go, wd.

16:37:25 mircea_popescu: <Naphex> fix sucks << fix sucks in the sense the old volga car sucks.

16:37:47 mircea_popescu: it WAS a great beast. no longer very useful other than an old codger who once ruled his slice of the world,

16:37:48 mircea_popescu: to learn from.

16:37:53 Naphex: thq thq

16:38:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9285 @ 0.00095453 = 8.8628 BTC [+] {2}

16:38:10 Naphex: severs rock too, should carry lots

16:38:50 mircea_popescu: !up efalken

16:38:50 assbot: Voicing efalken for 30 minutes.

16:38:53 mircea_popescu: Hello!

16:39:05 ThickAsThieves: if anyone is feeling like a cringe: http://bitshares.org/

16:39:06 mircea_popescu: everyone : efalken is the guy who wrote the piece about mimics we read earlier

16:40:16 ThickAsThieves: efalken has seen the forums yet? :)

16:40:42 mircea_popescu: lol. i'm trying to argue this angle where bitcoin is for intelligent life forms.

16:40:45 fluffypony: REIMAGINE EVERYTHING

16:41:00 *: fluffypony reimagines sex and buy BitShares

16:41:21 mircea_popescu: ;;us thq

16:41:21 gribble: Error: "us" is not a valid command.

16:41:24 mircea_popescu: ;;ud thq

16:41:25 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=THQ | Jun 24, 2007 ... THQ. abreviation for "team hit and quit" one guy dates a girl, fucks her, dumps her , and then his friend does the same. Me and my best friend ...

16:41:25 ozbot: Urban Dictionary: THQ

16:41:32 mircea_popescu: Naphex srsly ?

16:42:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16040 @ 0.0009564 = 15.3407 BTC [+] {3}

16:42:18 Naphex: Naphex: seriously what?:o

16:42:33 Naphex: damn phone, sec let me move

16:43:33 mircea_popescu: phones are so useful :D

16:43:47 benkay: mircea_popescu: you starve me of my due credit oh bitlord

16:43:53 benkay: welcome efalken

16:43:55 mircea_popescu: benkay what'd i do ?

16:44:14 benkay: i suppose anyone can stitch the falken links together

16:44:16 mircea_popescu: meanwhile from the sad news department, what'll be the jd s.mpif investment stands at 49.99508744

16:44:18 benkay: BUT I CRAVE APPROVAL

16:44:23 mircea_popescu: we're already in the red ;/

16:44:34 mircea_popescu: benkay wait wait be explicit

16:45:05 jurov: should have invested in coinroll

16:45:16 asciilifeform: since i've been living under a rock, i gotta ask - is jd just sd with new fuel rods?

16:45:45 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's sd done by a better guy, with a better model.

16:45:51 benkay: mircea_popescu: i believe i brought the mimicry post to everyone's attention.

16:45:55 benkay: but anyways.

16:46:02 mircea_popescu: benkay so you did!

16:46:17 benkay: whatever irrelevant. the joke was actually about whiny young americans.

16:46:17 mircea_popescu: if anyone proposes we devoice you i'll make sure to mention it, how about that ? :D

16:46:37 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: take the 0.00491256 difference out of my fraudsters credits

16:46:39 fluffypony: :-P

16:46:39 mircea_popescu: i'll be all like, "naw man, who;s gonna bring us the good mimes anymoar"

16:47:03 benkay: har if i'm up for devoicing the sybils've won and i better skeedaddle anyways.

16:47:29 mircea_popescu: interesting how that works.

16:47:45 mircea_popescu: efalken to speak you type in the lower bar and hit enter

16:48:03 jurov: !up mjr_

16:48:03 assbot: Voicing mjr_ for 30 minutes.

16:48:09 mircea_popescu: !up tris

16:48:09 assbot: Voicing tris for 30 minutes.

16:48:31 fluffypony: tris: every time I see your host I think you're from Etherium and have come to convince me to "invest"

16:49:03 ThickAsThieves: that would be lovely

16:49:10 mircea_popescu: isn't it ethereum ?

16:49:14 ThickAsThieves: vitalik should come for a visit

16:49:32 mircea_popescu: so tell him.

16:49:33 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: ah yes, I can never remember

16:51:19 mircea_popescu: the nefarious influence of mp : ThickAsThieves wants to ask me q's in private, ends up making a new blog to publish the results on.

16:51:27 mircea_popescu: basically... i'm the denudificator.

16:52:03 asciilifeform: verf?hrer ?

16:53:01 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: your apparatus is losing umlauts again.

16:53:08 mircea_popescu: isn't that a demon ?

16:53:38 asciilifeform: 'seducer' (leader-astray)

16:53:41 asciilifeform: you taught us the word today

16:54:02 mircea_popescu: zersetzungszelle verf?hrer!

16:54:24 benkay: ;;seen randomcat

16:54:25 gribble: I have not seen randomcat.

16:54:30 benkay: ;;seen random_cat

16:54:30 gribble: random_cat was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 6 days, 12 hours, 3 minutes, and 29 seconds ago: <random_cat> next year?

16:54:44 benkay: !up random_cat_

16:54:44 assbot: Voicing random_cat_ for 30 minutes.

16:54:46 benkay: hey random_cat_

16:54:58 benkay: lol 3 pings. ideally that'll get someone's attention.

16:55:25 mircea_popescu: !jd

16:55:25 assbot: Just-Dice stat: 16297 BTC profit, 35.9k BTC invested, 1092.27 mio bets, 5.20 mio BTC wagered

16:55:58 asciilifeform: where's tat's blog ?

16:56:02 mircea_popescu: cooking.

16:56:07 Naphex: mircea_popescu: q, if user wants to change gpg key. req gpgauth. if lost only real-life iding process will recover

16:56:12 Naphex: sounds right?

16:56:20 Naphex: IDing

16:56:28 mircea_popescu: it's how nanotube runs the wot.

16:56:35 mircea_popescu: probably should include proeminent warnings to ppls.

16:56:44 asciilifeform: wait he forgives lost keys ?!?!?

16:56:47 jurov: http://mpex.coinbr.com/faq.html#24 < naphex

16:56:52 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if you beg him.

16:56:57 mircea_popescu: and he knows you.

16:57:00 mircea_popescu: maybe.

16:57:07 jurov: oh he meant wot

16:57:23 Naphex: thx jurov

16:57:26 asciilifeform: lost key, lost soul

16:58:53 Naphex: there are clients who go and wait by the atmi

16:59:02 Naphex: after selling their btc

16:59:15 Naphex: without hitting withdraw. then they call mad

16:59:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.06778 = 0.2711 BTC [-]

16:59:29 mircea_popescu: lmao

16:59:46 mircea_popescu: i wouldn't touch the romanian derpage, myself.

17:00:00 Naphex: or others who just fill the deposit form

17:00:15 Naphex: and wait for us to withdraw money from their account

17:00:19 Naphex: :)

17:00:54 mircea_popescu: should just ship these fellows over to obama

17:01:19 mircea_popescu: i miss old style prisoner exchange things. "give me these guys that belong to us, you can have these twerps that'll prolly fit there better"

17:01:34 mircea_popescu: then one rainy night in berlin...

17:02:33 asciilifeform: Glienicke Br?cke

17:02:54 Naphex: :))

17:02:56 asciilifeform: unrelated:

17:02:59 asciilifeform: http://imgur.com/e8MOim6

17:02:59 ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer

17:03:10 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ^ what are these

17:03:13 asciilifeform: zaporozhets?

17:03:28 Naphex: that a lada? :p

17:03:36 mircea_popescu: mnah.

17:03:40 mircea_popescu: that's a dacia 1310

17:04:01 mircea_popescu: engine (2 cycle) is in the... back.

17:04:12 asciilifeform: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/18/ZAZ-968_front.jpg

17:04:15 mircea_popescu: wait wrong

17:04:17 mircea_popescu: dacia 1100

17:04:32 asciilifeform: (zaporozhets. my folks had one. very similar looking)

17:04:34 mircea_popescu: (bulgarrenault 8)

17:05:22 mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/embed/XPR84AGLw_M << 1950s advert.

17:05:22 ozbot: RECLAMA COMUNISTA dacia 1100 - YouTube

17:05:39 Naphex: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPR84AGLw_M la start!

17:05:39 ozbot: RECLAMA COMUNISTA dacia 1100 - YouTube

17:05:40 Naphex: omg

17:05:41 Naphex: :((

17:06:07 Naphex: MD still talks like that:]

17:06:36 mircea_popescu: 5/hour. bath paint.

17:06:48 mircea_popescu: 46cp,

17:07:37 mircea_popescu: Naphex md ?

17:07:44 Naphex: moldova

17:07:46 mircea_popescu: a

17:08:14 asciilifeform: speaking of such ads,

17:08:15 asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxMluSU6Frw

17:08:15 ozbot: Tatra 603 ad - YouTube

17:08:26 dooglus: hi guys

17:08:43 jurov: welcome dooglus

17:08:44 mircea_popescu: hey dooglus

17:08:57 jurov: ;;ident dooglus

17:08:58 gribble: Nick 'dooglus', with hostmask 'dooglus!~biufter@unaffiliated/dooglus', is identified as user 'dooglus', with GPG key id 4BE6A010492A358E, key fingerprint 258EAE7C26B1F2EBCFA180C04BE6A010492A358E, and bitcoin address 1Doog7asLrYah3yeUppBVj8nUYnFkmXm2N

17:09:05 dooglus: I noticed you had voiced me for 30 minutes about 31 minutes after it happened

17:09:23 mircea_popescu: lol

17:09:32 mircea_popescu: anyway, you id with gribble, you pm assbot !up and you're good.

17:09:37 dooglus: assbot ignores 'help' - but google told me about !up

17:09:57 dooglus: well, I did all that - or I wouldn't be talking now

17:10:00 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla mebbe assbot should reply to help

17:10:08 mircea_popescu: dooglus hehe yeah

17:10:51 benkay: would it be a terrible idea to allow people to request voice in chan via pm once every so many minutes?

17:10:57 benkay: via pm to assbot

17:11:15 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform btw what's the tatra truck thing ? god i loved those

17:11:56 asciilifeform: http://www.tatratrucks.com ?

17:12:01 mircea_popescu: benkay like, once every half hour someone (anyone) can pm assbot "!plz" and assbot will dump in chan "Anyone wanna !up X?"

17:12:06 asciilifeform: still in business, it seems

17:12:10 dooglus: would it be useful if I made the S.MPIF Just-Dice account balance visible to the public?

17:12:26 mircea_popescu: dooglus it can't hurt anything. you know which it is ?

17:12:32 dooglus: I've no idea

17:12:36 mircea_popescu: sec

17:13:05 benkay: mircea_popescu: that's exactly it.

17:13:11 mircea_popescu: 700458

17:13:16 dooglus: thanks

17:13:20 mircea_popescu: holy shit you've had a ton of new accts huh

17:13:27 mircea_popescu: this can't be legitimate, you got spammed ?

17:13:37 mike_c: now we can watch and see if that account is betting with pif money too :)

17:13:52 mircea_popescu: lol i don't see how it could, but yeah

17:14:23 mike_c: jd creates a new account whenever someone not-cookied visits JD

17:14:29 *: mircea_popescu ponders whether his 3 digit jd acct is worth money :D

17:14:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6468 @ 0.00094923 = 6.1396 BTC [-]

17:15:36 Duffer1: mp ask nokawa he might be interested :P

17:15:37 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform was a particular type of them. ro military used them extensively.

17:15:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4889 @ 0.00094923 = 4.6408 BTC [-]

17:16:03 mircea_popescu: Tatra 813 turns out.

17:16:09 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: worked on them?

17:16:22 mircea_popescu: me ? no, i was like 5.

17:16:27 asciilifeform: lol

17:16:39 mircea_popescu: but they were awesome.

17:16:50 mircea_popescu: and bs, you could never find models. only models of these other shitty trucks

17:16:58 mircea_popescu: it scarred my childhood i tell you.

17:17:18 mircea_popescu: 8x8 drive, that thing.

17:17:48 asciilifeform: could run on kerosene! neat

17:17:54 mircea_popescu: it ran on toluene,

17:18:00 mircea_popescu: or whatever else.

17:19:28 mircea_popescu: !up justusranvier

17:19:28 assbot: Voicing justusranvier for 30 minutes.

17:19:36 mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot justusranvier

17:19:36 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user justusranvier: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=justusranvier | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=justusranvier | Rated since: Mon Feb 11 19:56:55 2013

17:19:38 mircea_popescu: aok

17:21:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.52141571 = 1.5642 BTC [-] {3}

17:24:23 benkay: http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304279904579517934206301354?mod=trending_now_3

17:25:18 mircea_popescu: ozbot pls to tell me wtf link is cause otherwise i just ignore them ty.

17:25:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2800 @ 0.0001306 = 0.3657 BTC [-] {5}

17:26:01 asciilifeform: benkay: no prizes for guessing what mega-subsidy like this does to the price.

17:26:49 asciilifeform: imagine if, rather than this, student loan were secured by... disassembly for organs

17:27:21 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the us has a serious problem with the absnece of an evil empire.

17:27:34 ThickAsThieves: blog is in progress, need to wait for domain to propagate and some other bs

17:27:41 mircea_popescu: they couldn't be secured by organ harvesting, but they could be secured by sale to evil empire of fuckland

17:28:03 mircea_popescu: where one lives on a boat in a 2x3 space, separated by a hanging sheet from all the other prostitutes

17:28:11 asciilifeform: what does fuckland do with the male idiots?

17:28:13 asciilifeform: butugychag?

17:28:22 benkay: cage matches.

17:28:27 mircea_popescu: either that or... idem. apparently people pay to fuck males, too.

17:28:36 benkay: o ya

17:28:53 benkay: wait really?

17:28:56 asciilifeform: niche product.

17:28:59 asciilifeform: (literally...)

17:29:02 benkay: i thought the homo scene was all about dat promiscuity.

17:29:35 mircea_popescu: here's a fun bit of the history of racism in europe :

17:29:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.068 = 0.272 BTC [+]

17:30:03 mircea_popescu: gypsies always have lived as nomads. most of the ancient roman empire is inhabited by sedentary farmer types. the differences are quite marked, and children are wired to react negatively to difference.

17:30:23 mircea_popescu: consequently, for centuries, the ultimate parental threat was, "i'ma give you to the gypsy man, who comes by with a sack to collect bad kids"

17:30:48 Naphex: thats taboo now though!

17:30:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13050 @ 0.00095533 = 12.4671 BTC [+] {3}

17:30:55 mircea_popescu: in typical eeuropean quaintness, your average gypsy worker guy with a sack would generously play the part, for the benefit of any mom needing it

17:31:01 mircea_popescu: sort-of like spontaneous adult complicity.

17:31:07 asciilifeform: the mega-lol being, that these folks would literally rather steal anything else

17:31:12 mircea_popescu: yup

17:31:15 mircea_popescu: esp the mother.

17:31:31 mircea_popescu: !up zedong

17:31:31 assbot: Voicing zedong for 30 minutes.

17:32:39 asciilifeform: even selling the female lusers, that'd be a serious haircut

17:32:42 mircea_popescu: (my braindead use of "racism" ethnically reflects merely the confused use of the term by the people most likely to use it, i disclaim any other implication)

17:32:54 asciilifeform: considering what they'd be worth on international market

17:33:09 asciilifeform: not exactly 'FDA Grade A'

17:33:16 mircea_popescu: there's an international market for badly brought up western females ?

17:33:30 asciilifeform: gotta be

17:33:37 asciilifeform: even pig shit can be sold

17:33:43 mircea_popescu: maybe if someone's looking for exclamation point counting services.

17:34:51 dooglus: "whether his 3 digit jd acct is worth money" -- probably a little for vanity's sake, and more if it has a negative investment profit

17:34:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.52145683 BTC [+]

17:35:12 dooglus: (accounts with negative profit pay no commission until the loss is recouped)

17:35:17 mircea_popescu: dooglus i believe the vanity value is actually an indirect measure of jd worth

17:35:48 asciilifeform: you can use 'vi' instead of 'emacs' if you were to buy a parenthesis-counting slavegurl ?

17:36:58 Naphex: dooglus: ever tought about putting out an API? I've heard of guys who'd want to put JustDice in a Romanian Gabling Machine :)

17:37:12 mircea_popescu: he has an api im pretty sure

17:37:19 Naphex: the ones the put in 'birts', what are they called mircea_popescu ?

17:37:23 Naphex: pacanelele

17:37:25 Naphex: :)

17:37:46 mircea_popescu: Naphex whoa srsly ? how'd it work tho ?

17:37:49 asciilifeform: this is good point, dice gizmos ought to be physically present, blinkenlighs, bells, in boozing houses.

17:38:34 Naphex: mircea_popescu: probably with btc from the bar, and house buys btc back.

17:38:50 Naphex: atleast thats how i heard it proposed

17:39:09 mircea_popescu: getting the bar to grok btc processing tho...

17:39:22 mircea_popescu: Naphex you should build an api to support his api to make it easy for bars.

17:39:31 mircea_popescu: offer guaranteed values for a week, say.

17:40:23 Naphex: btcxchange-rpc api should support mostly anything. but i'm swamped

17:40:36 Naphex: working on the btc payments gateway

17:40:39 asciilifeform: adding booze to diceatrons - this'd be like lithium deuteride booster for nuke.

17:40:43 asciilifeform: just what doctor ordered.

17:40:52 Naphex: so they can start advertising to online stores

17:41:03 mircea_popescu: dooglus you been putting any work into getting a physical machine ?

17:41:39 Naphex: physical machine wouldn't be hard at all

17:42:02 mircea_popescu: things that wouldn't be hard at all usually take upwards of six months.

17:42:45 Naphex: mircea_popescu: http://www.alienconcept.ro/

17:43:20 benkay: <mircea_popescu> things that wouldn't be hard at all usually take upwards of six months. << this again and again

17:43:26 mircea_popescu: definitely something to do there tho.

17:49:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2369 @ 0.00095245 = 2.2564 BTC [-]

17:50:25 BingoBoingo: ;;rate hanbot 3 Only Functional part of Bitcointalk

17:50:26 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 3 for user hanbot has been recorded.

17:51:04 mircea_popescu: "and if thy functional part offends thee, cut it out!"

17:51:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 42 @ 0.00471 = 0.1978 BTC [+]

17:54:47 kakobrekla: hello.

17:54:57 kakobrekla: so many messages.

17:55:08 mircea_popescu: high amount of phone messages ?

17:55:28 kakobrekla: <mircea_popescu> kakobrekla mebbe assbot should reply to help < "!help" works ??

17:55:34 mircea_popescu: !help

17:55:34 assbot: List of commands:

17:55:35 assbot: !up (desc: sending it via PM will voice you on chan given sufficient WOT rating)

17:55:36 assbot: !up <nick> (desc: sending it on chan will give <nick> voice for 30 minutes)

17:55:37 assbot: !ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !t}

17:55:38 assbot: !last <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns last price value, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !l}

17:55:39 assbot: !mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)

17:55:40 assbot: !rules <nick/chan> (desc: chan guidelines) {short: !r}

17:55:41 assbot: !exchanges <nick/chan> (desc: lists exchanges and brokers) {short: !e}

17:55:42 assbot: !jd (desc: returns relevant stats from https://just-dice.com)

17:55:43 assbot: !bash <lines> (desc: bashes last <lines> lines to bash) {short: !b}

17:55:44 assbot: !quote <lines> (desc: quotes last <lines> lines and returns dpaste url) {short: !q}

17:55:45 kakobrekla: <asciilifeform> kakobrekla: your apparatus is losing umlauts again. < hmm ??

17:55:45 mircea_popescu: shit.

17:55:59 ThickAsThieves: !exchanges

17:56:20 mircea_popescu: (desc: sending it via PM will voice you on chan given sufficient WOT rating) | (desc: sending it via PM will voice you on chan given you're identified with gribble and in assbot's L2 WoT)

17:56:20 mircea_popescu: ?

17:56:22 kakobrekla: <mike_c> kakobrekla feature request: it would be nice to have yes/no bets confirmed/weighted sum in the BB json. it can be calculated from the bets, so not high priority, but if you're bored :) < hm maybe but that is basic algebra, i try not to pass things that one can easily calc

17:56:50 mircea_popescu: not to pass things that one can easily calc << that's the correct design imo.

17:56:52 kakobrekla: <hanbot> ;;rate kakobrekla 1 A reliable bloke who rolls a good fag. < jurov must be jelly

17:57:10 kakobrekla: <asciilifeform> ;;later tell kakobrekla pcb folks? do they also pick'n'place, SMT? < afaik one of them still do, i can check.

17:57:40 mike_c: fair enough.

17:59:54 benkay: http://butt.holdings/

18:02:11 mircea_popescu: butt.butt

18:02:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17250 @ 0.00095778 = 16.5217 BTC [+] {3}

18:02:42 kakobrekla: <asciilifeform> kakobrekla: your apparatus is losing umlauts again. < ah, the "ü" thing. dunno, ill see what can i do about that.

18:03:49 BingoBoingo: http://gawker.com/notorious-troll-says-he-will-create-trolly-hedge-fund-c-1566707098

18:03:50 ozbot: Notorious Troll Says He Will Create Trolly Hedge Fund Called "TRO LLC"

18:04:04 BingoBoingo: Rabit replies in the comments

18:04:10 BingoBoingo: *rabite

18:07:53 kakobrekla: >> Andrew "Weev" Auernheimer, the infamous hacker and troll,

18:07:55 kakobrekla: who ??

18:08:08 mircea_popescu: the at&t guy

18:09:27 kakobrekla: ah

18:09:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 900 @ 0.14 = 126 BTC

18:10:56 mircea_popescu: http://37.media.tumblr.com/7f78eaba6f8c738f84f36ee55c260237/tumblr_mwxmio0Agj1spl2qwo1_r2_500.jpg

18:12:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4538 @ 0.00013015 = 0.5906 BTC [-] {7}

18:13:03 jborkl_: nice, very nice

18:14:03 jborkl_: Almost done integrating a blockexplorer to my site- just waiting on the blockchain to dl

18:14:49 mircea_popescu: what's it called ?

18:15:04 mircea_popescu: http://37.media.tumblr.com/8f90e02d75f0f25a5100e83b60ec2e63/tumblr_n2r3zaCgd01qewacoo1_500.jpg

18:16:34 mircea_popescu: moiety http://24.media.tumblr.com/dd2adf09ed083e47c37107345099885c/tumblr_mqm7n600fP1qb6t6wo1_400.gif

18:17:47 moiety: lololololol "dafuq?!"

18:17:54 jborkl_: it is going to be on bcoinnews.com for now I guess- I could always put it on btcrack.com

18:19:26 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if we get someone trustworthy doing mining at some point << the way i understand it, mining is -EV unless you own a semiconductor plant.

18:19:35 asciilifeform: or at least have a share in one

18:20:00 jborkl_: 99,999 blocks to go-

18:21:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.043999 = 0.176 BTC [+] {2}

18:22:04 ThickAsThieves: http://www.coindesk.com/xapo-launches-bitcoin-debit-card-accepted-at-all-mastercard-locations/

18:24:11 Naphex: ThickAsThieves: i think they just have a multi-account system, issue a mastercard, give USD, take BTC

18:24:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.0742218 = 0.2969 BTC [-]

18:24:52 mircea_popescu: http://24.media.tumblr.com/1f95eb0bc80f1dad9b6eeb0b02c2f516/tumblr_mzywjikI5j1qzfebyo1_500.jpg

18:25:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1700 @ 0.00095535 = 1.6241 BTC [-]

18:28:05 Naphex: "Casares explained that Xapo added the product due to demand from current customers who have wanted a way to spend the roughly 10% of their funds (on average) they keep in the company’s hot wallets. The remainder is stored securely in cold storage."

18:28:18 mircea_popescu: http://24.media.tumblr.com/05faecbf33aaf001d27edb312fafe63e/tumblr_n413uzJHKh1s2yegdo1_r1_400.gif

18:28:30 moiety: would probably get further with that lil dude than most customer services people mircea_popescu

18:28:40 Naphex: so.. customer stores btc, credit 10% of btc value to corporate issued mastercard, use spends it. hold the btc

18:28:47 Naphex: i think thats mostly it:o

18:29:32 mircea_popescu: ;;seen wences

18:29:32 gribble: wences was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 44 weeks, 5 days, 17 hours, 53 minutes, and 21 seconds ago: <wences> mircea, are you here?

18:30:43 Naphex: the roughly, and average chitchat, is if bitcoin values moves, you might have less then that 10% of the value on the card. until it readjusts

18:31:06 Naphex: nice move, doable. mastercard might have a field day though :D

18:31:09 mircea_popescu: ok this shit's too cute : http://31.media.tumblr.com/fc31e4ae9fa57a23c45ab56261b69f7f/tumblr_mjd0u9f3Fj1qd5hzfo2_500.jpg http://37.media.tumblr.com/58a4e0f2ecced5023e43e1056d6b6ee3/tumblr_mjd0u9f3Fj1qd5hzfo3_500.jpg http://24.media.tumblr.com/e2d8ad05821d4990523d453dd473b812/tumblr_mjd0u9f3Fj1qd5hzfo1_500.jpg

18:32:14 moiety: i just made an entirely unnatural noise, not gonna lie

18:32:29 mircea_popescu: you QUEEFED because of my tiny turtle pix ?

18:32:46 moiety: right into a jar (thinking ahead)

18:32:57 mircea_popescu: lmao

18:33:17 mircea_popescu: "i have the special QueefCaptu underwears! only 19'95 at selected retailers"

18:34:14 moiety: bahahaha "surprisingly comfortable too"

18:34:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.00095626 = 3.06 BTC [+]

18:36:21 moiety: or 0.0561 BTC*

18:37:05 mircea_popescu: http://37.media.tumblr.com/42bd2627a419a203c58d37f3299a4a5e/tumblr_mzz5fo4agd1s199fdo1_400.gif

18:37:10 moiety: i wonder how long 1QUEEFS would take to generate....

18:37:30 mircea_popescu: 5 letters. not so bad.

18:38:23 moiety: aw i doubt i have any caps in the house to recreate that last one, damnit

18:38:35 BingoBoingo: If all caps is a must it will take longe rthough

18:38:51 moiety: 1Queefs?

18:39:01 moiety: i think allcaps looks better

18:41:03 fluffypony: it was on the 24th day of April

18:41:07 fluffypony: in the year of 2014

18:41:19 fluffypony: that mircea_popescu declared #bitcoin-assets become /r/awww

18:41:23 fluffypony: and thus it was

18:41:34 mircea_popescu: RAW!

18:41:56 moiety: queefs are aww?

18:42:09 moiety: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10152347282685874

18:42:12 mircea_popescu: did you know seals can get hickups ?

18:42:14 moiety: actually a video

18:42:16 mircea_popescu: http://37.media.tumblr.com/a3bbb07a4142b2e45314ee3446a28ab5/tumblr_n3tf9cll861qbwg0zo1_500.gif << proof.

18:42:36 moiety: jesus, pretty violent hiccups too!

18:42:48 ThickAsThieves: http://rt.com/politics/154056-russian-bloggers-mass-media/

18:43:45 Naphex: BingoBoingo: hey, if you have any suggestions, annoiances or any feedback regarding usage of btcxchange, shoot any time. :D

18:44:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2900 @ 0.00095535 = 2.7705 BTC [-]

18:44:13 BingoBoingo: Naphex: I can't think of any atm

18:46:48 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: http://i.imgur.com/UtwRmkm.png

18:46:48 fluffypony: turtle approval is at an all time high

18:49:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1695 @ 0.00095535 = 1.6193 BTC [-]

18:49:28 fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: http://gigaom.com/2014/04/24/a-debit-card-for-bitcoin-xapo-solves-the-payment-problem-with-mastercard-tie-in/

18:49:30 fluffypony: "This story was updated at 9:52am PT to reflect the fact that Xapo does not have a formal relationship with MasterCard, but only that it hopes to have one through a partner bank. This is contrary to earlier claims made by Xapo to Gigaom both in person and in writing that Xapo would issue a MasterCard-branded debit card. A MasterCard representative confirmed that it has no relationship with Xapo."

18:50:41 fluffypony: I don't have a submarine, but I hope to have one through a military contractor...I can haz press coverage nao?

18:51:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.06968754 = 1.0453 BTC [+] {2}

18:51:39 mircea_popescu: they ate the swrawberry for a week afterwards

18:52:00 mircea_popescu: " but only that it hopes to have one through a partner bank"

18:52:02 mircea_popescu: so bitcoin.

18:52:28 ThickAsThieves: sigh

18:52:31 bounce: huh, there's actually a(t least one) shipyard in cuba

18:52:50 ThickAsThieves: that makes them like the 11th co to claim a btc credit card

18:52:53 ThickAsThieves: all bs

18:53:41 ThickAsThieves: so this DarkMarket thing

18:53:54 ThickAsThieves: can the gov make it illegal to run the app?

18:54:17 bounce: didn't germany already outlaw the likes of nmap?

18:54:52 ThickAsThieves: it seems each user is a host of the network

18:55:01 ThickAsThieves: A user downloads the DarkMarket software, which runs as a daemon in the background of the user’s operating system, allowing them to connect to the DarkMarket network through any browser. The DarkMarket daemon incorporates a library of commands for peer-to-peer networking known as ZeroMQ, which allows the user’s PC to become a node in a distributed network where every user can

18:55:01 ThickAsThieves: communicate directly with every other user.

18:55:07 ThickAsThieves: http://www.wired.com/2014/04/darkmarket/

18:55:07 ozbot: Inside the ‘DarkMarket’ Prototype, a Silk Road the FBI Can Never Seize | Threat Level | WIRED

18:55:32 bounce: zeromq is a p2p thing now?

18:56:14 fluffypony: I actually have a BTC debit card from the now defunct thebitcoincard.co.uk

18:56:14 fluffypony: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=213832.msg2705402#msg2705402

18:56:15 ozbot: First prepaid card to exchange Bitcoins

18:57:00 fluffypony: ended up just being a tc debit card

18:57:01 fluffypony: and you have to wade through a French website to activate it

18:57:01 fluffypony: and then you used to be able to buy overpriced BTC from thebitcoincard.co.uk and they'd load it on your card in fiat

18:57:05 fluffypony: so stupid

18:58:10 HeySteve: I see a reputation system as pretty critical to the success of something like dark markets

18:58:58 HeySteve: bitwasp too, where one can have ephemeral markets that come and go like a stream of soap bubble worlds

18:59:34 HeySteve: verifiable and community-rated identities across these markets is key to improving trade

19:00:40 HeySteve: it's all very well to dodge the federales, but not if it will likely land you in the clutches of scammers

19:02:20 ThickAsThieves: are you daying DarkMarket doesnt have such system?

19:02:23 ThickAsThieves: saying*

19:02:41 pankkake: fluffypony: oh god, it's our friend dotcoin/bitcoinbourse … https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=189119.0

19:03:07 HeySteve: ThickAsThieves: "At the moment, DarkMarket displays only a bare IP address for every user..."

19:03:49 ThickAsThieves: lol

19:03:50 HeySteve: there is linkage between nicks and public keys, but no mention of rating

19:03:51 *: fluffypony clicks

19:04:06 ThickAsThieves: i recall taaki's presentation including such

19:04:15 ThickAsThieves: or at least methods of conflict resolution

19:04:23 ThickAsThieves: if it is dark, wtf does show ip?

19:04:26 fluffypony: pankkake: LOL - I had no idea, no wonder their product was so shitty

19:04:51 HeySteve: ThickAsThieves, they haven't programmed that bit yet but they seem to expect someone will soon...

19:05:42 HeySteve: ThickAsThieves, you watched their presentation in Canada?

19:06:38 HeySteve: ah wait my mistake, they do say they have a rep system

19:08:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6500 @ 0.00095626 = 6.2157 BTC [+]

19:11:22 Naphex: incoming split?

19:16:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10345 @ 0.00095663 = 9.8963 BTC [+] {2}

19:19:02 mircea_popescu: The DarkMarket daemon << is this just a rebranded tor bundle thing ?

19:19:06 mircea_popescu: onion or w/e it was called

19:19:39 mircea_popescu: !up France-bitcoin

19:19:39 assbot: Voicing France-bitcoin for 30 minutes.

19:19:49 mircea_popescu: France-bitcoin srsly ? what a name.

19:20:11 bounce: why such hate? france AND bitcoin. what's not to love?

19:20:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06968754 = 0.1394 BTC [+]

19:21:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1980 @ 0.00095843 = 1.8977 BTC [+] {2}

19:22:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2370 @ 0.00095875 = 2.2722 BTC [+]

19:22:52 punkman: The DarkMarket daemon << is this just a rebranded tor bundle thing ? << no it looks like a piece of shit implemented on top of 0mq, which didn't even do security for the first few major versions

19:22:58 France-bitcoin: mircea_popescu, a blog name...

19:23:47 mircea_popescu: punkman for the love of meh. why not just rebundle tor.

19:23:50 mircea_popescu: win-win wtf.

19:23:51 fluffypony: bounce: too many Frenchman in France, maybe that's his problem :-P

19:24:08 mircea_popescu: davout pankkake etc will be pleased to hear :D

19:24:25 France-bitcoin: yeah we know each other :)

19:25:40 France-bitcoin: i'm here because gribble does not integrate #bitcoin-fr mostly

19:25:48 France-bitcoin: we are working on that

19:25:52 mircea_popescu: o that's a thing ?

19:25:56 bounce: sheesh, even nickserv registered. such original nickname.

19:25:59 pankkake: France might end up with more tourists than French

19:26:11 punkman: mircea_popescu: they plan to add Tor but still, I don't think it's prudent to 0mq with random nodes

19:26:14 France-bitcoin: ah pankkake :)

19:26:17 fluffypony: pankkake: surely the French would never allow it!

19:26:27 mircea_popescu: punkman prolly not.

19:27:02 mircea_popescu: -BitBot- NB : le chan est logg? et les archives sont publi?es ? l'adresse suivante : http://bitcoin.powaaa.com/irc/

19:27:07 mircea_popescu: liek a supybot or what is it ?

19:27:54 fluffypony: "On international tests, American children rank 25th in math and 21st in science, despite the push for greater accountability through No Child Left Behind. What’s more, although America is falling behind in math, our kids are first in confidence. American students get terrible math scores compared to their international peers, but they think they’re great in math—in fact, they have more confidence in their math skills than students from

19:27:54 fluffypony: any other country."

19:27:56 fluffypony: http://www.education.com/magazine/article/waiting-superman-means-parents/

19:27:57 ozbot: "Waiting for Superman": What it Means for You and Your Child | Education.com

19:28:11 BingoBoingo: http://complex.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2014/03/17/bad_romance_france_s_17_billion_warship_deal_with_russia_gets_new_scrutiny

19:29:19 mircea_popescu: lol they actually managed to get charles de gaulle seaworthy ?

19:29:22 mircea_popescu: !up VictorM

19:29:22 assbot: Voicing VictorM for 30 minutes.

19:29:25 davout: !up VictorM

19:29:25 assbot: Voice for VictorM extended to 30 minutes.

19:29:29 mircea_popescu: ha-ha!

19:29:51 davout: yea, i've been talking for a couple of minutes before realizing i didn't voice myself ><

19:29:58 davout: so i was saying

19:30:03 davout: France-bitcoin: gribble is on #bitcoin-fr what are you talking about

19:30:27 davout: also that my apartment got broken into this afternoon, probably some french people...

19:30:37 France-bitcoin: gribble is giving a list of chan to be on to proceed

19:30:39 bounce: damage?

19:30:47 France-bitcoin: you could have asked on pv :)

19:30:54 mircea_popescu: davout he means it's not on the auth list.

19:31:23 davout: France-bitcoin mircea_popescu ahh i see

19:31:29 mircea_popescu: cause nanotube wanted to keep some sort of tabs on what chans you can auth from, which is sensible.

19:31:42 France-bitcoin: should add ours

19:31:45 davout: bounce: negligible, most of the hassle is the broken window and the time lost with the police

19:31:52 davout: mircea_popescu: how is it sensible?

19:31:58 France-bitcoin: that would avoid this kind of "stuff"

19:32:26 davout: France-bitcoin: if you're doing business you should probably hang around the "authable" chans anyway

19:32:47 nanotube: davout: i just added #bitcoin-fr to auth list, by bad_duck's request. so... there.

19:32:54 mircea_popescu: davout for one, there's peeps trying to scamhunt, they gotta idle in all chans that allow authing

19:33:00 France-bitcoin: well the welcoming party here is nice :) I should think about that yeah :)

19:33:01 davout: nanotube: thanks!

19:33:05 mircea_popescu: cause while scammers usually id in pm, they still gotta be in chan

19:33:29 nanotube: davout: np. keep an eye out for scammers.

19:33:49 davout: nanotube: will do

19:33:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 56 @ 0.03299639 = 1.8478 BTC [+] {8}

19:34:05 davout: ;;rated nanotube

19:34:06 gribble: You have not yet rated user nanotube

19:34:09 France-bitcoin: we don't have any on our channel as far as i know...

19:34:34 nanotube: France-bitcoin: that's cool. we should all move there, then. :)

19:34:46 davout: ;;rate nanotube 1 kind sir

19:34:47 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user nanotube has been recorded.

19:35:50 nanotube: ;;rate davout 1 old timer

19:35:51 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user davout has been recorded.

19:41:34 France-bitcoin: stop rubbing each other guys :)

19:42:45 France-bitcoin: now i just got to debug some strange stuff with gribble privately and I will leave you alone

19:42:57 fluffypony: oooh la la

19:43:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0335 = 0.1005 BTC [+]

19:43:17 davout: France-bitcoin: publicly might be better if you're debugging gribble and if it's not too noisy :D

19:43:28 HeySteve: http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/author/sara-medina

19:43:36 HeySteve: good night all

19:43:47 bounce: isn't that what #gribble is for?

19:43:58 fluffypony: lol customers...ticket just got escalated to me: "I run the 8th largest magazine in the world" - maybe I should reply and ask them what they're doing buying GPU mining frames

19:44:10 France-bitcoin: well i did need to connect here (or another chan on the list...) then do it privately which is what i'm talking about

19:44:11 davout: bounce: you got a point

19:45:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.53137777 = 1.0628 BTC [+] {2}

19:45:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 134 @ 0.0075 = 1.005 BTC [+]

19:46:04 davout: the xapo story is interesting, wonder where it will go

19:46:19 davout: given that mastercard is pretty anti-bitcoin

19:46:41 fluffypony: davout: I met with one of the banks here last year August-ish about it

19:46:52 fluffypony: they have VISA and MasterCard prepaids

19:47:06 fluffypony: and they said that in general MC and VISA don't care what they issue

19:47:25 fluffypony: and that their auth systems on the back-end don't even have to be actual currency

19:47:28 davout: fluffypony: mastercard opposed bitinstant's card, and they also opposed ours when we wanted to issue one in partnership with aqoba

19:47:42 fluffypony: oic

19:47:58 fluffypony: couldn't you have gone with a VISA partner?

19:48:05 bounce: except they might at the drop of a hat decide that they don't like where some of their users send their money and stop doing it

19:48:08 davout: so, as soon as they actually hear about it they'll fuck the deal up

19:49:09 davout: fluffypony: the psp we were working with was working with mastercard, custom cards are mostly mastercard's thing, not really visa's

19:49:24 davout: but in theory there's nothing that prevents visa from doing it

19:49:51 davout: i'm off, stomachs don't just fill themselves

19:50:13 fluffypony: have fun - buon appetit

19:50:23 davout: !up France-bitcoin

19:50:23 assbot: Voicing France-bitcoin for 30 minutes.

19:50:27 davout: fluffypony: merci!

19:51:13 France-bitcoin: thx davout, still taking care of the kids and the gribble thing is not finished yet...

19:51:43 kakobrekla: davout what is the story with xapo?

19:52:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3750 @ 0.00095875 = 3.5953 BTC [+]

19:52:14 davout: kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-04-2014#640741

19:52:40 kakobrekla: the log pft. ill remove it just so i dont have to read it.

19:52:46 fluffypony: kakobrekla: the GigaOm article is better because it contains an embarrassing update

19:52:50 fluffypony: http://gigaom.com/2014/04/24/a-debit-card-for-bitcoin-xapo-solves-the-payment-problem-with-mastercard-tie-in/

19:52:51 ozbot: Updated: A debit card for bitcoin: Xapo could solve the payment problem with help from banks —

19:53:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 98 @ 0.0335 = 3.283 BTC [+]

19:54:46 kakobrekla: they use bitstamp, fucking great.

19:59:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 58 @ 0.0742218 = 4.3049 BTC [-]

20:00:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] [PAID] 3.51308395 BTC to 13`595 shares, 25841 satoshi per share

20:00:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 58 @ 0.0335 = 1.943 BTC [+]

20:01:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 26 @ 0.0742218 = 1.9298 BTC [-]

20:01:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 19 @ 0.0335 = 0.6365 BTC [+]

20:04:37 asciilifeform: re: darkmarket: anything vaguely approaching this is (at least by thinking people) regarded as 'guilty until proven innocent' of honeypot

20:04:45 asciilifeform: and ought to be designed accordingly

20:05:44 ThickAsThieves: alrighty here's the tat blog http://devilsadvocate.biz/flirting-with-s-mpif/

20:05:52 asciilifeform: unfortunately, 'designed accordingly' consists, imho, entirely of the weirdo heresy that only i seem to believe in.

20:05:54 ThickAsThieves: i'll surely be tweaking the style and widgets etc

20:06:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00095875 = 0.9588 BTC [+]

20:06:41 asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: surprised that you haven't taken the offer yet - it sounds like fun.

20:07:53 ThickAsThieves: it's not a matter of lack of interest

20:08:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5455 @ 0.00095535 = 5.2114 BTC [-]

20:09:52 kakobrekla: the devils advocate?

20:09:56 kakobrekla: is this a new blog of yours?

20:10:51 kakobrekla: i gotta give it to you, you pick some strange names

20:12:07 kakobrekla: 'thieves', 'devil', ... are dem cute pirates coming too? :)

20:13:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 145 @ 0.06800759 = 9.8611 BTC [-] {4}

20:13:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 9 @ 0.0742218 = 0.668 BTC [-]

20:15:16 BingoBoingo: I feel special, ThickAsThieves gets no insight into my operations othe than what I might publically disclose.

20:16:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5395 @ 0.00095481 = 5.1512 BTC [-]

20:17:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 105 @ 0.00095875 = 0.1007 BTC [+]

20:18:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 122 @ 0.00762908 = 0.9307 BTC [+] {5}

20:19:21 kakobrekla: ascii, dunno if you got my

20:19:37 kakobrekla: pm, if im not on your whilelist i can paste here

20:20:25 kakobrekla: whitelist*

20:23:00 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: got it

20:23:14 kakobrekla: kk

20:23:44 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: no pricing info on site, unfortunately

20:24:10 kakobrekla: its not customary for such ops to do that here.

20:24:26 kakobrekla: you send in what you want and they spit out the number.

20:25:17 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: atm i'm looking for folks with reasonably cheap pcb stuffing for obscenely small quantities (<50)

20:25:25 asciilifeform: this may or may not exist.

20:25:32 kakobrekla: they do small runs

20:25:58 asciilifeform: in that industry, 'small' typically means less than 10,000

20:26:05 ThickAsThieves: [16:09] <+kakobrekla> the devils advocate? /// one of my fav movies, also a term many people have used on me, also what i feel the essence of blogging is

20:26:09 ThickAsThieves: taking the other side

20:26:13 kakobrekla: they even offer submitting it to the bucket and they print when they have one full board used

20:26:18 kakobrekla: that is used for small diyers

20:26:39 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: for pcb fab only (where such is typical) or smt placement?

20:26:47 kakobrekla: pcb fab only

20:26:58 asciilifeform: i'm pretty happy with my current supplier for those

20:27:10 asciilifeform: doubt that anyone can beat the chinese slavefarms for pcb

20:27:49 kakobrekla: i wasnt saying that

20:28:44 kakobrekla: just saying its not an issue to get it done

20:28:57 kakobrekla: even doing placement on a small run

20:29:04 kakobrekla: not 10k

20:29:09 asciilifeform: for pcb, my current supplier gives me, believe or not, 3 day turnaround, incl. airplane from cn to us

20:29:10 kakobrekla: but 100 boards

20:29:17 asciilifeform: ok that sounds promising

20:29:59 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: you know the owner personally?

20:30:19 kakobrekla: not the owner, a guy who works at the second link i gave you

20:30:25 asciilifeform: aha

20:30:46 kakobrekla: he might be co owner not sure

20:30:51 fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: I expected you as more of a Devil Wears Prada kinda guy :-P

20:30:56 kakobrekla: but whatever-

20:31:18 ThickAsThieves: not sure what that means, am i the bitch or the bitch?

20:31:20 ThickAsThieves: :)

20:35:17 ThickAsThieves: not sure if youve any interest, or whether it's a good idea, but i'd be happy to try and connect you to Friedcat at ASICMINER if you think he might have any connections of interest re pcb or components

20:36:11 mike_c: did everyone get home from the conference and start mining atc? nethash is booming.

20:36:23 asciilifeform: ;;gettrust Friedcat

20:36:24 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user asciilifeform to user Friedcat: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=asciilifeform&dest=Friedcat | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Friedcat | Rated since: never

20:37:20 ThickAsThieves: friedcat himself isnt exactly reliable, but he might have resources

20:37:24 Naphex: ;;ident

20:37:25 gribble: Nick 'Naphex', with hostmask 'Naphex!~naphex@btcxchange.ro', is identified as user 'Naphex', with GPG key id 64CDBADCE1E0BBAF, key fingerprint F3D76A985F5844814A93F46364CDBADCE1E0BBAF, and bitcoin address 12mVDqdWqFY6zrCqNqgHbxhDPB4ZVUuaTu

20:37:50 ThickAsThieves: i aint mining teh ATCs!

20:37:55 asciilifeform: when a fellow isn't reliable, hard to be sure how much because of his own head and how much because he relies on muppets.

20:38:01 Naphex: what is atc?

20:38:09 fluffypony: Naphex: teh only altcoin

20:38:11 ThickAsThieves: www.therealaltcoin.org

20:38:14 fluffypony: https://cryptocointalk.com/topic/4081-altcoin-atc-information/

20:38:26 Naphex: sorry, don't follow alts

20:38:40 ThickAsThieves: thats the point!

20:38:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 250 @ 0.00762649 = 1.9066 BTC [-] {7}

20:40:25 fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: are asicminer still planning on manufacturing to sell to miners, or are they now all in-house mining only? I haven't kept tabs in ages

20:40:46 ThickAsThieves: i havent either

20:40:55 ThickAsThieves: but they just posted a big update this week

20:41:05 ThickAsThieves: jutarul posted it

20:41:15 ThickAsThieves: if ter interested

20:41:18 ThickAsThieves: yer

20:41:37 fluffypony: ok will checksie

20:42:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.0009539 = 9.7298 BTC [-] {2}

20:45:26 fluffypony: find ./ -type f -name '*.py' | xargs sed -i '' 's/http:\/\//https:\/\//g'

20:45:31 fluffypony: wrong button

20:46:01 asciilifeform: given what i know about the miner builders, i'm not certain i'd want to purchase so much as shoelaces from anyone associated

20:46:09 asciilifeform: but i could be convinced otherwise, given new data

20:46:38 ThickAsThieves: yeah i wouldnt force it

20:47:00 ThickAsThieves: more like a, ifyerinapinch kinda thing

20:47:05 asciilifeform: no pinch

20:47:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06961251 = 0.1392 BTC [-]

20:47:10 asciilifeform: just keeping options open

20:47:24 bounce: apparently blockchain removed the fix api announcement?

20:47:49 asciilifeform: my main purpose in asking here is to sound out the possibility that someone knows such an operator in person, and can vouch for him.

20:51:03 Naphex: ;;seen tcatm

20:51:03 gribble: I have not seen tcatm.

20:51:31 fluffypony: asciilifeform: I can you put you in touch with the Italians that are doing stuff for us, I know the owner well and can vouch for him, and they routinely work with small quantities

20:52:05 asciilifeform: fluffypony: if it's no secret, what did you do with them?

20:53:17 fluffypony: asciilifeform: no secret at all - we have a design for a remote power on/power off system for mining rigs that we're busy finalising with them

20:53:21 fluffypony: lemme pastebin it out the proposal

20:53:40 fluffypony: asciilifeform: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=zimEPURt

20:53:51 fluffypony: that's what they've designed with us and are busy prototyping atm

20:54:22 asciilifeform: fluffypony: care to say approximate cost of the prototype run?

20:54:40 fluffypony: lemme grab my notes and I'll tell you

20:55:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00095561 = 3.8224 BTC [+]

20:56:21 fluffypony: "For the initial batch we can use manual soldered components, so, we can avoid to have the master piece plate for SMD components to buy, and move to SMD only if production batches will go over 1000 pieces."

20:56:39 fluffypony: "easy also to prototipe, so i expect to have a "few prototipes" costs between 15/20$ each, and a production price no more than 10/12$ each for low batches ( ~ 100 pieces )"

20:56:53 fluffypony: (that was for the board that goes into the BeagleBone for the master unit)

20:57:07 midnightmagic: ooOoo

20:57:14 fluffypony: "For the slaves, i was thinking about using a pic18f67j60, it is an 8 bit MCU with an ethernet mac/phy embedded, and it is very powerfull. the same circuit we have for the expansion board with this MCU and a magnetic rj45 connector will cost the same for prototipes and no more than 15$ each in production for low batches."

20:57:42 kakobrekla: you are 2 years late with this shit

20:57:56 asciilifeform: nobody's manually soldering a tqfp-64.

20:58:17 asciilifeform: (not that it can't be done, but nobody on the planet will do it for $20.)

20:58:55 fluffypony: asciilifeform: have you seen this - http://elm-chan.org/docs/wire/wiring_e.html

20:58:57 fluffypony: :-P

20:59:02 asciilifeform: sure.

20:59:18 mike_c: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJAByNlfkyE

20:59:26 asciilifeform: once again, virtually anything can be done under a good microscope, with steady hands

20:59:35 fluffypony: anyway, I can get him to hop on here and you can have a chat to him and see

20:59:36 asciilifeform: it's simply that it's a bitch

20:59:47 asciilifeform: fluffypony: sure, let's, i appreciate the effort

21:01:18 fluffypony: oh he's on freenode already

21:01:18 fluffypony: [22:59:59] nextime signed on at 21 April 2014 at 10:35:57 PM SAST and has been idle for 39 minutes, 43 seconds

21:01:21 fluffypony: I've pinged him

21:02:19 mike_c: that video is impressive (to me). i couldn't do that.

21:02:50 fluffypony: mike_c: I don't have the steady hands

21:03:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0695839 = 0.2088 BTC [-]

21:03:50 asciilifeform: mike_c: http://www.loper-os.org/wp-content/laser/new.png

21:04:01 asciilifeform: mike_c: hand. messy. but worked

21:04:13 asciilifeform: this isn't how it's normally done, though, one applies paste and reflows.

21:04:41 mike_c: his does look a little neater :) but results are what counts.

21:04:46 asciilifeform: ('paste' is a substance with roughly the appearance and consistency of toothpaste, with small solder globules suspended.)

21:07:10 Naphex: gn o/

21:07:27 fluffypony: night Naphex

21:08:10 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell heysteve https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/459438537163538432 cuz i gotta do all the work around here

21:08:11 gribble: The operation succeeded.

21:08:51 mircea_popescu: <davout> fluffypony: mastercard opposed bitinstant's card, and they also opposed ours when we wanted to issue one in partnership with aqoba << or that's what auoba told you, anyway.

21:09:29 mircea_popescu: !up Sorcier_FXK

21:09:29 assbot: Voicing Sorcier_FXK for 30 minutes.

21:09:58 davout: mircea_popescu: how would it make any sense for aqoba to take us as client and somehow make up some lie about mastercard being anti-bitcoin?

21:10:03 Sorcier_FXK: thx

21:10:25 davout: the guys made money from custom debit cards

21:10:43 mircea_popescu: ((testing footnotes plugin!)) << fail

21:11:31 ThickAsThieves: i left it in just for you

21:11:47 mircea_popescu: davout you ever were a client of anyone else before ?

21:12:33 davout: please, do explain your reasoning

21:13:20 fluffypony: http://www.sunnyskyz.com/uploads/2014/01/xty1s-phteven-funny.jpg

21:13:31 mircea_popescu: mike_c> did everyone get home from the conference and start mining atc? nethash is booming. << what's it yet ?

21:13:49 mike_c: next diff change suggest 2 THs

21:14:09 mircea_popescu: o.O

21:14:52 mircea_popescu: <bounce> apparently blockchain removed the fix api announcement? << yeah lol. this is "pr" according to teh vc circus.

21:16:33 mircea_popescu: davout suppose your isp decides not to put optic fiber in your neighbourhood becauise you're all faggot gypos there and they don't like you.

21:16:51 mircea_popescu: sop you call support and are explained that well... they can't put fiber there because they can't push the light uphill.

21:16:53 mircea_popescu: all good.

21:17:25 mircea_popescu: what your provider claim, on its own, is not worth two shits.

21:17:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.06955678 = 0.2087 BTC [-]

21:18:26 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: over here, this traditional reply usually comes with a five, six (usd) figure quote for running the fiber. (add insult to injury)

21:20:06 mircea_popescu: anyway, if Me llamo Sara y me apasiona la tecnolog?a shows up, voice her and treat her nice. ima go fuck around.

21:20:48 davout: mircea_popescu: suppose it'd make actual economical sense to pull the fibre up to where you live, and suppose also that the whole business model of your internet provider is putting fibre in shitty neighborhoods because that's what they do

21:21:19 fluffypony: !up nextime

21:21:19 assbot: Voicing nextime for 30 minutes.

21:21:27 fluffypony: asciilifeform, meet nextime

21:21:30 fluffypony: nextime meet asciilifeform

21:21:32 nextime: hi all

21:22:09 *: nextime is reading about cardano

21:23:27 thestringpuller: ;;gettrust nextime

21:23:28 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user nextime: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=thestringpuller&dest=nextime | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=nextime | Rated since: never

21:23:31 thestringpuller: lol

21:24:17 nextime: yeah! \o/ i'm virgin :D

21:26:00 asciilifeform: !up nextime

21:26:00 assbot: Voicing nextime for 30 minutes.

21:27:18 nextime: asciilifeform can we talk here in public or you prefer in query?

21:27:25 asciilifeform: nextime: only here.

21:27:32 nextime: asciilifeform : ok, as you prefer

21:27:37 asciilifeform: nextime: what would you like to know?

21:27:51 asciilifeform: nextime: do take the trouble to read the published material first.

21:27:53 fluffypony: asciilifeform: this is the guy re: the PCB stuffing

21:27:59 fluffypony: sorry should've clarified that

21:28:05 asciilifeform: fluffypony, nextime - ok

21:28:08 nextime: asciilifeform : fluffypony say me you are searching for pcb builder that is low cost, right?

21:28:46 asciilifeform: nextime: there is already a source for the pcb per se; but i'm shopping around for assemblers.

21:28:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.06953299 = 0.2781 BTC [-] {3}

21:29:27 asciilifeform: nextime: kitted or turnkey build, either, works

21:30:01 nextime: ok, great, my company basically do low batches production and prototypes, and then we do assembly for bigger batches ( and for bigger batches as usual we just build pcb with an external fab )

21:30:36 asciilifeform: nextime: i should probably specify that pcb is to be sent in (we already have a good working relationship with a pcb maker)

21:31:25 nextime: asciilifeform : not an issue at all

21:32:44 nextime: asciilifeform : so, maybe you can just drop me an email with specifications and part list, so i can give you a quotation for assembly both in turnkey and kitted?

21:32:48 asciilifeform: nextime: let's try this. approx. quote for ~200 smt part count, smallest = 0805, one side.

21:32:54 asciilifeform: nextime: 50 units.

21:33:05 asciilifeform: nextime: kitted (we mail in parts and pcb)

21:33:37 asciilifeform: i'd like a ballpark figure, incl. NRE.

21:33:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7900 @ 0.00095456 = 7.541 BTC [-]

21:34:54 nextime: asciilifeform : how many unique parts?

21:35:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1712 @ 0.00007514 = 0.1286 BTC [-]

21:36:17 asciilifeform: nextime: ~40.

21:37:06 nextime: on 50 pieces we are ~ at 20$ each

21:37:21 asciilifeform: no tooling fee?

21:37:31 asciilifeform: and what would be the turnaround time?

21:38:15 nextime: for 20$ in a week, tooling fee if we will have a continued relationship isn't an issue

21:38:53 asciilifeform: nextime: if we will have a continued relationship << this can't really be promised until the fee is paid and results delivered, can it.

21:38:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 794 @ 0.0001296 = 0.1029 BTC [-]

21:40:30 nextime: asciilifeform : of course, but i can bet on my quality :) really, tooling isn't a real cost for us, many assembly company charge tooling cause they wan't to have low batches, we live with low batches

21:40:31 nextime: :)

21:40:50 asciilifeform: nextime: i'd really appreciate a ballpark estimate.

21:42:26 nextime: asciilifeform : for tooling? as i say, nothing. We usually choose to absorb this cost hoping to get fidelity, as is a little cost in real.

21:43:16 asciilifeform: ok now we're cooking.

21:44:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06954 = 0.1391 BTC [+]

21:44:03 asciilifeform: unit has through-hole parts. how are these handled?

21:45:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06981505 = 0.3491 BTC [+] {2}

21:45:15 nextime: for through-hole parts we work by hands actually ( we are a small company as i say )

21:45:26 asciilifeform: ok

21:46:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8453 @ 0.00095537 = 8.0757 BTC [+] {2}

21:46:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 55 @ 0.00452378 = 0.2488 BTC [-] {3}

21:47:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 24 @ 0.00838979 = 0.2014 BTC [+] {6}

21:47:06 asciilifeform: nextime: what do you require for a kitted build (e.g. minimal tape lengths for smt parts, what format for the pick'n'placer)

21:50:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 12 @ 0.009 = 0.108 BTC [+] {2}

21:51:48 nextime: asciilifeform : if you give me an email i will send you as soon as tomorrow ( is holyday tomorrow in italy, but i'm a stakanovist and i will be in laboratory ) i will send you a pdf with all specifications of our requirements

21:52:23 nextime: ( sorry for the delay in my answers, i'm doing some multitasking things with my childs at home actually )

21:53:55 jborkl_: ma che vuoi?

21:54:08 jborkl_: only Italian I know

21:54:23 nextime: rotfl

21:55:11 nextime: jborkl_ : a little bit better than my english :)

21:56:09 jborkl_: I have a Swiss friend here who teaches me a little time to time

21:56:18 fluffypony: !up nextime

21:56:18 assbot: Voicing nextime for 30 minutes.

21:57:37 nextime: jborkl_ : so, let me say that in italy we usually say "che cazzo vuoi?" instead of "ma che vuoi?", a little bit more rude, but more common

21:58:15 jborkl_: ma che stai diciendo

21:58:24 nextime: "dicendo"

21:58:28 asciilifeform: nextime: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ea.png

21:58:30 jborkl_: oops

21:58:37 asciilifeform: nextime: please use pgp (my wot key)

21:58:46 nextime: asciilifeform: ok, i will

21:58:52 asciilifeform: nextime: thx

21:59:39 jborkl_: I will make sure to use that on him :) thx

22:00:27 nextime: jborkl_: so, let's get more rude again: use "che cazzo dici?" instead of "ma che stai dicendo?"

22:00:29 nextime: :D

22:00:43 jborkl_: excellent

22:01:15 jborkl_: we went and saw motogp and he was yelling when Rossi got cut off in Italin- pretty funny to ear

22:01:52 jborkl_: hear

22:02:38 nextime: lol, i can imagine what you mean :) Italian speakers on motogp and motor sports in general are... uhmmm... "funny"? :)

22:03:22 jborkl_: I can't understand anything, but you know when they are pissed off

22:05:22 nextime: ok, anyway, i must go back to my daddy role now, asciilifeform i will send you infos tomorrow ( as italy time ) after lunch when i will be in my laboratory

22:05:33 nextime: ciao!

22:14:15 ThickAsThieves: What was the website for SatoshiJack again?

22:14:28 ThickAsThieves: he told me ATC is working now

22:14:31 ThickAsThieves: but went away

22:14:39 ThickAsThieves: before i could respond

22:18:56 fluffypony: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/EU_RUSSIA_PUTIN_INTERNET?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

22:19:16 fluffypony: "President Vladimir Putin on Thursday called the Internet a CIA project"

22:23:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6750 @ 0.00095959 = 6.4772 BTC [+] {2}

22:28:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.06809901 = 0.5448 BTC [+]

22:31:45 ThickAsThieves: ;;rate hanbot 2 Every rose has its thorn

22:31:47 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 2 for user hanbot has been recorded.

22:35:10 kakobrekla: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583258.0

22:35:41 mircea_popescu: stakanovist hahaha

22:35:51 mircea_popescu: ;;rate nextime 1 is a stahanovist!

22:35:52 gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.

22:36:08 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell nextime get in the wot eh.

22:36:08 gribble: The operation succeeded.

22:36:38 mircea_popescu: fluffypony srsly dood, get teh noobs to wot.

22:37:01 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: I will :)

22:37:13 BingoBoingo: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/04/24/my-role-in-s-mpif/

22:37:16 fluffypony: kakobrekla: that's actually quite interesting

22:37:29 kakobrekla: is it? i havent followed the link

22:37:43 fluffypony: they've been around for a year or so

22:37:52 fluffypony: and it's not free to list

22:38:01 fluffypony: let me see if I can find an article

22:38:05 fluffypony: here: http://www.wamda.com/2013/06/a-global-startup-stock-exchange-platform-just-launched-is-it-a-good-bet-for-arab-startups

22:38:08 mircea_popescu: <jborkl_> only Italian I know << what, no rottinculo, no disgraziati, no nothing ?

22:38:24 fluffypony: costs about $5 500 for a company to list

22:38:34 fluffypony: and there are several stages including due dilligence

22:38:59 fluffypony: I'm not sure if them adding Bitcoin as a funding option will draw much interest from the BTC community tho

22:39:25 kakobrekla: ah they do fiat scams instead?

22:39:34 moiety: i just did this stupid quiz thing and i kid you not http://i.imgur.com/yqI6Qr2.png

22:39:53 fluffypony: kakobrekla: spot on

22:41:04 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves satoshijack.com no ?

22:41:37 mircea_popescu: "I wanted to share this new exciting news with you all. The Startup Stock Exchange (SSX) is now the first investment platform through which Bitcoins can be used to invest in companies!"

22:41:42 mircea_popescu: brilliant. he forgot biggest

22:41:50 kakobrekla: and best.

22:41:53 fluffypony: and AMAZING!

22:42:00 fluffypony: awwww :(

22:42:05 fluffypony: assbot: amazing?

22:42:05 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

22:42:54 mircea_popescu: moiety want a pea ?

22:43:43 mircea_popescu: anyway, when i see all these exciting news "we" teams, all i can think is

22:43:44 mircea_popescu: http://24.media.tumblr.com/a842f850681fd26dd0d873c9053a2c3a/tumblr_n3snyhqT6y1qdlh1io1_400.gif

22:44:07 moiety: a pea?

22:45:06 mircea_popescu: well what do tiny turles eat

22:45:26 BingoBoingo: Pizza?

22:45:29 kakobrekla: this one is quite awsum too

22:45:31 kakobrekla: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583262.0

22:45:35 kakobrekla: still fresh

22:45:37 moiety: amd strawberries!

22:45:48 moiety: and*

22:45:53 mircea_popescu: kako lemme show you a magic :

22:45:53 mircea_popescu: https://bitcointa.lk/index.php?topic=583262.0

22:46:20 mircea_popescu: "Why is your opportunity unique?

22:46:20 mircea_popescu: The UK is the world's 6th largest economy, but so far they have no bitcoin exchange."

22:46:22 mircea_popescu: fuckwit.

22:46:26 kakobrekla: the readability of the .ly is worse :\

22:46:29 mircea_popescu: so far we can't be bothered to do our research

22:47:03 Apocalyptic: wasn't nefario's exchange in UK ?

22:47:15 mircea_popescu: exactamundo

22:47:38 mircea_popescu: phantomcircuit aka strateman aka bitcoin consultancy, intersangro etc

22:48:00 Apocalyptic: wait, how is phantomcircuit involved in this ?

22:48:55 mircea_popescu: who do you think wrote that famed script that emailed the entire userbase the emails of the entire userbase ?

22:49:01 mircea_popescu: and where was this happening ?

22:49:15 mircea_popescu: phantomcircuit did it, on the previous first best & largest uk exchange.

22:49:23 mircea_popescu: cca 2011

22:49:50 fluffypony: kakobrekla: "The remainder will be kept in reserves to pay for monthly costs, such as the data center." - they have an entire data center to pay for, yo

22:49:51 Apocalyptic: I see

22:50:22 kakobrekla: i also love this part:

22:50:25 kakobrekla: >What about the casino?

22:50:25 kakobrekla: Multibet.io is a work in progress, but is another source of income for our company. You will also receive profits from this.

22:50:27 kakobrekla: --

22:50:35 fluffypony: of cors

22:50:50 mircea_popescu: why is .io so popular with bitcoin scams & retarded noobs ?

22:50:54 mircea_popescu: do they allow anon regs or some shit ?

22:50:57 Apocalyptic: kako, reads to me like we'll be doing all sorts of shits, because another income

22:51:06 kakobrekla: its short and still free

22:51:20 kakobrekla: free as in not taken, not not costing any $

22:51:23 asciilifeform: occurred to me that you can usually tell at a glance which people experience a twinge of physical pain when spending someone else's money, and which ones don't.

22:51:32 asciilifeform: 'gotta pay for... data center'

22:51:36 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo "And that's pretty much the thing in a nutshell." "Generally..." "Basically..." dude you sound moonstruck.

22:52:28 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Maybe that is the public impression I want to deliver. I mean I let herbi think I was a bot for a good while.

22:52:40 mircea_popescu: lol

22:52:44 mircea_popescu: maybe it is.

22:53:16 mircea_popescu: poor herbi, he had a good idea but not so good carry through

22:53:25 mircea_popescu: mebbe next time.

22:53:28 kakobrekla: Apocalyptic what do you mean 'we' ?

22:54:35 Apocalyptic: kako, the "we" of their post obviously

22:54:51 mircea_popescu: overheard in my room "I broke my lip on your cock!"

22:55:23 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: better than the other way around.

22:55:28 kakobrekla: ah ok then, i thought i signed something that was not aware of for a sec

22:55:50 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'Мы Америку догнали. По надоям молока, А по мясу мы отстали: Хуй сломался у быка.'

22:59:26 mircea_popescu: lol

22:59:46 asciilifeform: (hruschev era. naturally)

23:00:35 mircea_popescu: "And a couple days later I became MP's ATC trader."

23:00:47 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo dude, at the time you were atc trading already for a day or two

23:01:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1445 @ 0.00095722 = 1.3832 BTC [-]

23:01:23 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: At the time I battled herbi I was trading my own ATC

23:01:29 mircea_popescu: usure ?

23:01:45 BingoBoingo: Fairly sure. Herbi was trading your ATC.

23:01:53 BingoBoingo: Then he lost it.

23:02:03 mircea_popescu: nah he never got atc from me.

23:02:09 BingoBoingo: Oh.

23:03:40 BingoBoingo: Well, the herbi stuff was over the 13th and 14th. It wasn't until later I became your trader (but not much later)

23:07:06 asciilifeform: 'when it comes to milk, we're even with america, at last; as for meat, they're still the leader - our bull broke his cock, alas.'

23:07:09 asciilifeform: (translation mine)

23:08:07 mircea_popescu: Feb 14 03:12:12 the herbi argument you quote | Feb 15 10:41:31 <mircea_popescu> pankkake pls to pay to BingoBoingo 100k atc, let's see what he can do.

23:08:11 mircea_popescu: so right you are.

23:09:01 mircea_popescu: "we caught up with the us on milk ; we're behind on meat, our bull's cock [is] broke"

23:09:22 asciilifeform: well sure, but i like rhyming transl.

23:09:54 asciilifeform: you lot are free to volunteer better one.

23:10:32 mircea_popescu: you call at last / alas a rhyme ?

23:10:37 asciilifeform: bah.

23:10:45 asciilifeform: to criticise is to volunteer.

23:10:56 mircea_popescu: i wouldn't even have noticed it's trying to be had you not said so :D

23:11:04 asciilifeform: lol

23:11:13 artifexd: Regarding SatoshiJack, https://cryptocointalk.com/topic/8980-multi-crypto-multiplayer-blackjack-html5/ says that the site is http://satoshijack.com/ or http://just-blackjack.com/

23:11:24 artifexd: Both of which are currently down.

23:11:28 asciilifeform: let's try this one

23:11:33 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell satoshijack sites down ?

23:11:33 gribble: The operation succeeded.

23:11:57 asciilifeform: 'Полюбила я Хрущева, / Вышла замуж за него. / Оказалось, вместо хуя / Кукуруза у него.'

23:12:08 mircea_popescu: ahahaha него ftw.

23:12:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6932 @ 0.00095444 = 6.6162 BTC [-] {2}

23:12:37 mircea_popescu: i fell for hruschev and married him / turned out his cock was a cobb

23:12:52 asciilifeform: aye, but anybody can do that.

23:13:01 mircea_popescu: pfff

23:13:22 asciilifeform: incidentally, this art form is curiously absent in the anglo world.

23:13:24 mircea_popescu: kukuruza, btw, is almost as lulzy as lenina

23:13:29 asciilifeform: where's the obama version.

23:14:02 mircea_popescu: There was once a great storm / Which moved the White House to the desert of Sahara

23:14:24 mircea_popescu: A bedouin lost in the desert stumbled on the lawn / Obama assured him that if he likes his water,

23:14:28 mircea_popescu: He can have his water.

23:14:32 asciilifeform: lel

23:14:51 mircea_popescu: want the kicker ?

23:15:02 mircea_popescu: "but it doesn't rhyme" "white rhyme, suka"

23:15:15 asciilifeform: lolz

23:18:36 asciilifeform: just had the thought, nobody else in this ch. likes languages ?

23:19:02 phf: fell in love with mr. krushchev / but the marrige was a flop / on our wedding night discovered / that his penis was a cobb

23:19:11 *: asciilifeform claps

23:19:13 mircea_popescu: phf hey pretty good

23:20:19 phf: that's preserving the original derevensky rhythm :)

23:20:59 ThickAsThieves: what's a cobb?

23:21:00 mircea_popescu: o btw, to note down the 2nd kicker in my thing, for they who do not speak russki :

23:21:07 mircea_popescu: suka does not stand for sucker, but for bitch.

23:21:14 mircea_popescu: ;;google corn cobb

23:21:15 gribble: Corncob - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corncob; Corn on the cob - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corn_on_the_cob; How To Boil Corn On The Cob - What's Cooking America: http://whatscookingamerica.net/Vegetables/BoilingCorn.htm

23:21:21 asciilifeform: thought everybody knew that at this point

23:21:30 ThickAsThieves: well i assumed corn cob

23:21:34 ThickAsThieves: but wasnt sure

23:21:40 ThickAsThieves: cuz two b's

23:21:59 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no but the symmetry see ? white/white for liberals/normal ppl, mirrored in the suka/suka for english/russian

23:22:30 mircea_popescu: also! what's seven days without a pun make one ?

23:22:51 ThickAsThieves: weak

23:23:02 mircea_popescu: hehe

23:23:18 mircea_popescu: seven days w/o a pun make one week

23:23:48 mircea_popescu: #bitcoin-assets-and-language-abuse

23:24:19 ThickAsThieves: already have my first wordpress problem... fml

23:24:30 ThickAsThieves: comment isnt showing after being approved

23:24:43 ThickAsThieves: does he need to confirm his account or sumth?

23:25:13 asciilifeform: 'Нам хотели запретить / По этой улице ходить. / Стены каменны пробьем - / По этой улице пройдем. / А вы, запретители, / хуя не хотите ли?'

23:25:19 asciilifeform: (re: bans on btc, etc)

23:25:46 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves the one on the recent comments ?

23:25:51 mircea_popescu: maybe you're set not to display trackbacksa

23:26:16 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that makes no sense.

23:26:19 ThickAsThieves: ah it may be a trackback, not a regular comment

23:26:28 mircea_popescu: so built a wall along street to restrict walking...

23:26:43 asciilifeform: nah

23:28:16 BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: Prolly a trackback from my post

23:28:54 asciilifeform: loosely: 'they a ban for us decreed / for to keep us from this street / we shall move aside stone blocks / on this street we'll take our walks'

23:28:58 ThickAsThieves: yep

23:28:58 mircea_popescu: "This suggests focusing on robustness, as opposed to prediction, because the system works against rational expectations, especially those consensus ideas that come out of large bureaucracies. After all, what better sufficient statistic for a mimic to exploit than some well-known regulatory bullet point that supposedly ensures trivial risk? Recessions are not going away; they are endogenous because zero mimicry is not a

23:28:58 mircea_popescu: n equilibrium among insects, reptiles, or humans. Expect more unexpected recessions, just not real soon, and not in subprime housing."

23:29:01 asciilifeform: last stanza exercise for alert reader

23:29:04 ThickAsThieves: i'm a noob i guess

23:29:10 mircea_popescu: this fucking article explains both why ycombinator is such a shitpile

23:29:21 mircea_popescu: and why the majority of "actors" in "business" hate my and my model

23:29:37 mircea_popescu: i'm exactly the opposite of a bureaucracy, fucking impredictible by design

23:30:28 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: See, before the quoted interaction with herbi there would have been zero or less reason to propose I be your altcoin trader, whereas herbi had been pimping his 1337 quant skills and fx hobby.

23:30:48 mircea_popescu: i see.

23:31:02 thestringpuller: damn dark souls II is out...

23:31:12 thestringpuller: i haven't even beaten dark souls yet

23:31:18 thestringpuller: da fuq did the time go?

23:31:26 ThickAsThieves: to GTA?

23:31:39 thestringpuller: dark souls came out in 2011

23:31:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.52312269 = 3.6619 BTC [-] {5}

23:32:15 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Up to then there had never really been any solid indication of this chan that I might have some potential for trading prowess, at least not until I took herbi's house, car, wife, and dingo

23:32:29 BingoBoingo: Making two profits in the process

23:32:38 ThickAsThieves: such modesty and grace

23:32:48 mircea_popescu: lol yeah. poor dingo.

23:34:12 BingoBoingo: herbi at the time lsot what was all of his declared BTC

23:35:36 BingoBoingo: One of my favorite parts of the thing was the spread ran roughly from 400 satoshis to 100 satoshis, and he though settling around 100 satoshis would be a bad thing. Low and behold since x-bt opened 100-200 satoshis has been the norm.

23:35:39 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo it wasn't ever a very high amt or anything.

23:35:47 BingoBoingo: No it wasn't

23:36:14 BingoBoingo: But at million dollar BTC, that's a new Dodge challenger with racing stripes he lost.

23:36:16 thestringpuller: ;;later tell mod6 young jeezy july 12th Detroit...

23:36:16 gribble: The operation succeeded.

23:37:35 mircea_popescu: notrly.

23:38:06 mircea_popescu: that'd be the case if there existed no spot. as it is, he lost 50 bux or w/e the spot was

23:40:30 BingoBoingo: Sure. But if we value the BTC on the benkay principle that it is never worth parting with, it holds. Now with the sinking Patrick Harnet only cost 500 BTC or $2500, sure. This continutes to the mysticism surrounding BTC prices.

23:40:59 BingoBoingo: At the time herbi mess up there still kind of was a reliable-ish spot.

23:41:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9155 @ 0.0009568 = 8.7595 BTC [+]

23:42:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4095 @ 0.00095788 = 3.9225 BTC [+]

23:44:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.52109887 BTC [-]

23:45:48 phf: asciilifeform: they wanted to forbid / walking down this street. / we'll smash the concrete walls / we'll march down the block / you, forbaders, / suck a cock!

23:46:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 110 @ 0.00470994 = 0.5181 BTC [+] {2}

23:46:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.51780273 BTC [-]

23:47:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 109 @ 0.00471 = 0.5134 BTC [+]

23:51:03 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2014/economic-cycles-finally-explained/

23:52:24 ThickAsThieves: "really have the intellectual ability to indentify"

23:52:31 ThickAsThieves: nevermind

23:52:35 ThickAsThieves: no

23:52:37 ThickAsThieves: its wrong

23:52:38 ThickAsThieves: hehe

23:53:44 mike_c: fraudsters feature request: why do i have to go to secret page to login? having the cookie form on the 'fee' page would be nice.

23:54:32 mircea_popescu: mike_c aite.

23:54:41 mike_c: i'm trying to make more friends today by nitpicking everyone's work.

23:55:18 mircea_popescu: what, you do this with others, too ?

23:55:25 mircea_popescu: I THOUGHT WE HAD SOMETHING SPECIAL

23:55:26 mike_c: i tried on kako before.

23:55:36 mike_c: he told me to piss off

23:55:54 mircea_popescu: kako is not user friendly like i am

23:56:39 kakobrekla: :\

23:57:33 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves what's wrong ?

23:57:34 BingoBoingo: kakobrekla is plenty user friendly. He just isn't luser friendly.

23:57:39 BingoBoingo: Like the Cardano.

23:58:24 mircea_popescu: slander.

23:58:43 ThickAsThieves: indentify

23:58:53 ThickAsThieves: unless you are making up words

23:59:10 BingoBoingo: Well, of course kakobrekla manufacters the best slander. It works so good it makes itself right.

23:59:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13004 @ 0.00095193 = 12.3789 BTC [-] {5}

23:59:16 BingoBoingo: !t h cog

23:59:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK:COG] 1D: 0.00497602 / 0.00763533 / 0.01098941 (455 shares, 3.47407316 BTC), 7D: 0.00413010 / 0.00731819 / 0.01098941 (1171 shares, 8.56960097 BTC), 30D: 0.00030000 / 0.01165576 / 0.08800000 (3024 shares, 35.24702191 BTC)