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Transcript for 24-07-2014, 1576 lines:

00:00:19 BingoBoingo: CheapBoy: If you actually want the Ether, mircea_popescu's short if the cheapest offer going

00:00:57 BingoBoingo: I just dunno why anyone would want ether that can't soak a rag

00:01:24 pigeons: yeah it should be able to soak a rag, but dont do it that way you hobo

00:02:24 pigeons: pressurize for nice clear gas

00:03:25 BingoBoingo: pigeons: Wait, you're inhaling it? I was just going to use it as a solvent to clean some stuff...

00:03:54 pigeons: oops

00:03:59 mike_c: harder to apply to others as gas

00:04:59 BingoBoingo: !up CheapBoy

00:05:22 benkay: who is this nycbtcpros?

00:05:57 pigeons: ;;seen nycbtcpros

00:05:57 gribble: I have not seen nycbtcpros.

00:06:06 pigeons: ;;gpg info nyvbtcpros

00:06:07 gribble: No such user registered.

00:06:13 pigeons: ;;gpg info nycbtcpros

00:06:13 gribble: User 'nycbtcpros', with keyid None, fingerprint None, and bitcoin address 1HoUw9FVHXxB1Wm9mbetDE1UhgiQfdgFkk, registered on Sat Jun 14 08:04:58 2014, last authed on Sat Jun 14 08:12:00 2014. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=nycbtcpros . Currently not authenticated.

00:06:45 pigeons: hope he has a bitlicense

00:07:02 benkay: ;;later tell nycbtcpros where's your bitlicense?

00:07:03 gribble: The operation succeeded.

00:09:21 CheapBoy: Thanks for not biting guys.

00:09:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23978 @ 0.00079579 = 19.0815 BTC [-] {2}

00:09:47 CheapBoy: I'm trying to understand if people will be able to "sell" their ethereum pledge before it is released atm.

00:10:44 BingoBoingo: CheapBoy: Well I doubt the ethereum people are going to make or allow a market for that since, etherium is supposed to be a market

00:11:12 pigeons: CheapBoy: i asked that too, was told "no". but try #etherum. actually, i heard they were emailing (!) encrypted wallets (perhaps generated with not-so-random keys via mouse movements!)

00:11:26 pigeons: so i suppose you could sell the wallet

00:11:59 pigeons: probably they won't email you the wallet for another few bfl-months, but i hae no actual clue about that

00:18:52 mike_c: um, selling private keys is not so practical. ask bingo and pankkake :)

00:20:06 pigeons: well sell it before it's cracked from its not-so-randomness

00:20:18 mike_c: and pinky-swear to delete your copy

00:20:19 BingoBoingo: mike_c: Situation has been remedied. Key in question was not sold so much as held by each of us in trust of a higher powah.

00:20:27 pigeons: or maybe you have a really random mouse movement

00:22:21 CheapBoy: Thanks pidgeons and bingoboingo.

00:22:53 BingoBoingo: CheapBoy: Well, have you started looking at setting up GPG yet, since that would be necessary to do the trade?

00:29:06 BingoBoingo: CheapBoy: If you set up GPG and register in the WoT I'll lend you a rating so you can self voice.

00:33:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12896 @ 0.0007949 = 10.251 BTC [-]

00:39:06 BingoBoingo: !up CheapBoy

00:41:09 copumpkin: damn! mpoe below .8

00:41:12 copumpkin: all is lost

00:42:14 pigeons: CheapBoy: ether not usable or transferrable unless ethereum actually comes out one day

00:42:26 mike_c: it was under 76 before the break.

00:46:04 dub: http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/2bjmgb/hi_we_are_the_ethereum_project_team_ask_us/

00:46:04 assbot: Hi, we are the Ethereum Project Team. Ask us anything! : IAmA

00:46:43 CheapBoy: +BingoBoingo Thanks, but the links seem to be down

00:46:43 CheapBoy: https://alexcabal.com/creating-the-perfect-gpg-keypair/%3E

00:46:44 assbot: Alex Cabal

00:47:23 mike_c: CheapBoy: you got something odd stuck on the end or that URL. https://alexcabal.com/creating-the-perfect-gpg-keypair/

00:47:24 assbot: Creating the perfect GPG keypair - Alex Cabal

00:47:48 BingoBoingo: CheapBoy: Here's a basic link for setting up a workspace for drafting GPG text http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/pgpgpg-guide/

00:47:50 assbot: PGP/GPG Guide | Bingo Blog

00:49:24 BingoBoingo: The BFL auto shop http://oppositelock.jalopnik.com/my-e30-m3-nightmare-1601125946/1609714036/+pgeorge

00:49:24 assbot: This Shop Trashed My E30 BMW M3

00:49:30 CheapBoy: Cool. The gribble bot wrote that link actually.

00:54:22 BingoBoingo: Gribble sometimes fucks links

00:57:39 pigeons: https://help.riseup.net/security/message-security/openpgp/gpg-best-practices

00:57:40 assbot: OpenPGP Best Practices - help.riseup.net

00:58:31 pigeons: http://ekaia.org/blog/2009/05/10/creating-new-gpgkey/

00:58:32 assbot: Creating a new GPG key | Ana's blog

00:59:22 CheapBoy: Alrighty I'm getting the GPG running.

00:59:47 CheapBoy: But I have to get some sleep, 3am in sweden.

00:59:58 CheapBoy: Hope someone can voice me next time

01:01:24 BingoBoingo: CheapBoy: I'll look for you and keep throwing voice at you

01:10:50 BingoBoingo: !up CheapBoy

01:29:23 BingoBoingo: What really fuels Reddit, Professional Wrestling as Trailer Park Shakespeare http://grantland.com/features/wwe-paul-heyman-promo-star-summerslam-brock-lesnar-john-cena/

01:29:24 assbot: The Mouth of the WWE «

01:42:36 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: conventional munitions alarm << you mean, ears ringing? or smelled the unmistakeable smell of trotyl? or actual electric alarm?

01:45:01 BingoBoingo: I was going to ask, but figured if I had to...

01:46:19 *: asciilifeform is actually quite familiar with the construction of such alarms, and their shortcomings.

01:48:11 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo and other us-ians probably know that one shouldn't take an old set of shooting earmuffs to the airport, and why...

01:48:22 BingoBoingo: lol

01:50:29 *: BingoBoingo has never actually been to an aitport

01:50:33 BingoBoingo: *airport

01:50:38 asciilifeform: seriously?

01:51:42 asciilifeform: not once?

01:51:53 BingoBoingo: Havent'd had occasion to yet. Imagine my first airport experience will prolly happen in Mexico

01:52:21 pigeons: as a kid you didnt go run around them back when it was possible?

01:52:40 pigeons: or a teenager bring a girl to sit on the car and "watch the planes"

01:52:50 *: asciilifeform not exactly a pith-helmeted hero of world travel; went to an airport for the first time in ~22 yrs. to visit mircea_popescu and other phriends back in april.

01:53:25 BingoBoingo: Well, I've been to field's where ultralights operated

01:53:49 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: you mean small airplanes in general? or specifically 'ultralights' ?

01:53:52 pigeons: anyway, you're not missing anything now, everyone's in a hurry and scared

01:53:56 BingoBoingo: pigeons: As a teen there were closer places to take girls to "watch the nothing"

01:54:21 asciilifeform: because, if i recall, 'ultralights' (IANAL - but if i recall, defined as ~100kg and below) are actually unregulated, and can be flown anywhere in usa, by anyone

01:54:38 pigeons: yes that's still the case

01:54:39 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Specifically ultralight. Driven past airports for slightly bigger planes.

01:55:20 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: A thing that has it's big national get together locally is "powered parachutes"

01:55:37 asciilifeform: paraglider?

01:55:47 pigeons: i want a jetpack

01:55:54 danielpbarron: does anyone know who the owner of the #bitcoin- group is?

01:56:10 asciilifeform: jetpack << as in, the one flying machine that is guaranteed to kill you if the engine cuts out?

01:56:40 pigeons: oh dont ruin my fun with reality

01:57:10 pigeons: itll be powered by ETH so it wont cut off

01:57:17 asciilifeform: lol

01:57:45 *: asciilifeform old enough to remember when technical magazines had ads in the back for 'build your own helicopter from tractor!'

01:57:45 pigeons: ETH is not a security and this is not an attempt to solicit investments from unqualified investors. its a fuel.

01:57:55 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: We get those too, but like seriously a powered parachute http://icons.wunderground.com/data/wximagenew/n/nlwi/9.jpg

01:58:17 BingoBoingo: pigeons: Only a fuel if you like engine knock

01:59:04 *: BingoBoingo remembers at boyscout camp one of the older scouts spaying ether into the campfire to discourage us young'uns from spraying pug spray into the fire

01:59:21 BingoBoingo: *bug spray

01:59:27 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: ether << standard equipment in boyscout kit?

01:59:49 pigeons: yeah i remember the scout leaders telling us emphatically not to smoke the local funky weed

01:59:59 asciilifeform: can one even buy ether in usa outside of a terrorist catalogue?

02:00:01 pigeons: so of course it had the opposite effect

02:00:15 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well I was ~6th grade at the time and age ranged up to High School degenerates in the group

02:00:32 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Available in "engine starting fluid"

02:01:35 pigeons: or if you have a buddy who works in a chemistry lab

02:02:02 pigeons: they make real good friends

02:02:25 BingoBoingo: The sprayer's family had ~8 or 9 muscle cars in various states on non-function in their yard at the time.

02:03:11 BingoBoingo: pigeons: If you have a friend in the chemistry lab there are more interesting things to consider than ether

02:03:41 BingoBoingo: Though some amount of ether may be useful as a solvent... TO acieve other things...

02:05:34 pigeons: yes of course. by might as well get the ether there too

02:06:28 BingoBoingo: And of course the net result of the spritz of ether into the campfire was panic for ~1.5 miles in any direction

02:10:29 decimation: idiots in the midwest smoke jimson weed

02:10:52 asciilifeform: decimation: the 'zombie cucumber' ?

02:10:55 decimation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datura_stramonium

02:10:55 assbot: Datura stramonium - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

02:11:25 decimation: indeed, I always called it jimson weed. nasty stuff, grows up 6 ft tall in a few months

02:12:51 BingoBoingo: decimation: In large parts of the forested midwest cannabis, albeit of poor quality has nativized itself

02:13:07 decimation: I thought it was always native

02:14:18 BingoBoingo: http://gawker.com/boozy-bear-breaks-into-florida-porch-in-search-of-beer-1609695569

02:14:19 assbot: Boozy Bear Breaks Into Florida Porch in Search of Beer and Pia Colada

02:15:13 BingoBoingo: decimation: Well, these are hard problems to pin down in the way that some people advance certain species of carp as invasive, when here they are all invasive.

02:15:59 decimation: it's racis to call carp invasive

02:17:45 BingoBoingo: Carp are like retarded midget whales, fucking filter feeders who readily inbreed (see goldfish)

02:19:32 decimation: http://youngcons.com/liberals-passed-a-bill-to-change-this-fishs-name-because-it-is-hurtful-and-offensive/

02:19:34 assbot: Liberals passed a bill to change this fish’s name because it is “hurtful” and “offensive” | Young Conservatives

02:20:26 BingoBoingo: People keep forgetting Potassium Chloride was the lethal component of lethal injection cocktails http://www.cbsnews.com/news/arizona-execution-takes-two-hours-to-finish/

02:20:26 assbot: Joseph Rudolph Wood execution in Arizona delayed for appeal - CBS News

02:20:53 BingoBoingo: decimation: In the Americas European carp are invasive too

02:21:43 BingoBoingo: Fucking water pigeons is what they all are really

02:21:57 decimation: lol in the the stereotypical black person likes carp, apparently in the uk the stereotypical eastern european likes carp: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2306769/No-Eastern-Europeans-sign-placed-carp-fishing-lake-angry-landowner-claims-stolen-fish.html

02:21:57 assbot: 'No Eastern Europeans' sign placed at carp fishing lake by angry landowner who claims they have stolen his fish | Mail Online

02:23:15 BingoBoingo: Wait, carp are black people food now? I thought it was Wasps that first plagued this continent with them.

02:23:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 31 @ 0.13350322 = 4.1386 BTC [-] {2}

02:24:57 decimation: https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080503083114AAEoxhp

02:24:57 assbot: Do blacks really like fried chicken and carp or is that just a stereotype?

02:24:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.13286904 = 0.9301 BTC [-] {4}

02:28:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.12699999 = 1.143 BTC [-]

02:28:11 decimation: everyone knows that eastern europeans are going to cheat and steal the carp from your lake because they were raised as communists: http://www.economist.com/news/finance-and-economics/21607830-more-people-are-exposed-socialism-worse-they-behave-lying-commies

02:28:12 assbot: Economics and ethics: Lying commies | The Economist

02:29:26 BingoBoingo: Chicken is old hand but carp is a new one for me. I might have suspected catfish as a stereotype, because like fried chicken everyone loves fried catfish. Carp though have so many pin bones in their filets. Honestly I find Gar a better use of my fishing time than carp.

02:30:58 *: asciilifeform eastern europeans are going to cheat and steal the carp from your lake << actually did this. conformed to stereotype.

02:31:52 decimation: yeah actually that's a neat experiment

02:31:59 decimation: it would be fun to try on your friends

02:41:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.13500001 = 1.485 BTC [+]

02:48:42 BingoBoingo: Perks of living near a Hillbilly gathering point http://i.imgur.com/zHwVb6H.jpg

02:51:59 decimation: do folks here have a method of scraping complex webpages like banks for .pdf statements?

02:52:32 decimation: web 2.0 is so poorly designed that this barely exists, instead of being a first class featue

02:56:22 penguirker: New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/spoondoolies-halts-sales-sp30-investigating-technical-issues/

02:56:47 decimation: I've tried beautiful soup, it sucked ass. I tried splinter, it sucked ass. refuse to touch phantomjs.

03:22:15 Rassah: Hah! Bitcoin Pete's article: "Vitalik Buterin, he of "autism is the same as intelligence" fame"

03:24:28 Rassah: I wonder if Bitcoin Pete has met an inteligent person in his life

03:24:31 Rassah: iRL

03:25:52 BingoBoingo: Well, pete's a jew and there are a lot of smart members of the tribe

03:27:23 Rassah: My tribe consists of Tsiolkovsky and Tozoni, so I've been surrounded by extremely intimidating levels of inteligence...

03:28:53 Rassah: There aren't a lot of smart people in bitcoinland... I have a feeling Bitcoin Pete isn't one either, but is regurgitating things other smart people are saying in his blogs. A beneficial service I guess

03:29:13 TheNewDeal: lol

03:29:27 TheNewDeal: he bought a nice bitcoin bet from me

03:29:55 BingoBoingo: Well, if pete isn't smart then he's been incredibly lucky.

03:30:08 Rassah: That statement of his tells me he either has never met Vitalik in person, or doesn't know what an inteligent person is like

03:30:43 Rassah: TheNewDeal: Bitcoin bet?

03:31:08 TheNewDeal: he sent me .1 btc, I sold him a position in the bastille day bet

03:33:16 Rassah: p.s. I'm not saying their etherium deal is a good one. I don't think investing in ether can in any way give a better return than investing in bitcoin... I don't think vitalik is much of a finance guy, either, so I'm not sure if this "ipo" ca be blamed on him

03:34:19 BingoBoingo: Well, if he isn't much of a finance guy... Shouldn't he be outsourcing the expertise?

03:34:47 Rassah: I thought he was? Etherium is run by a large group of people, including finance guys

03:35:01 Rassah: I think...

03:35:35 BingoBoingo: I dunno much other than the picked the worst name for their tokens...

03:35:59 BingoBoingo: Ether is just going to feed the flames about Rapey cryptocoiners

03:36:21 Rassah: rapey?

03:36:30 BingoBoingo: Prolly worse than Doge'y style did...

03:37:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30900 @ 0.00079478 = 24.5587 BTC [+] {2}

03:37:10 Rassah: Eh, Etherium at least has an application. Doge was just a self-aware joke

03:39:12 Rassah: Also, as is most important in any crptocurrency (even moreso than its "features") Etherium has a team of good developers with a specific goals, who want to work to develop it no matter the price. Doge (and arguably most others, possibly incluing Litecoin) does not.

03:39:12 BingoBoingo: Pascal had an application... Busses have an application... Pretty sure Doge had an application even if it wasn't a pretty one.

03:39:42 decimation: hammers & tulips have an application - neither are good canidates for money

03:40:19 BingoBoingo: decimation: I <3 tack hammers

03:40:19 Rassah: My rule #1 for investing is invest in the team, not the idea. Awesome idea with morons behind it will go nowhere. For Altcoins, an awesome idea with a single developer behind it will crash and busn as soon as that developer gets bored and goes to do something else

03:40:46 Rassah: *busn = burn

03:41:10 Rassah: decimation: why do you think Etherium is a candidate for money???

03:41:18 BingoBoingo: Nah, you just need to pick altcoins with better jokes like Altcoin...

03:41:38 decimation: umm, people are trading money for it, with the expectation of spending on stuff in the future?

03:41:50 BingoBoingo: My current beef with Etherium is that despite all of their protests they are selling equity in a something.

03:42:26 Rassah: decimation: Airline companies are spending money on jet fluel futures, with expectation of using it in the future. Doesn't mean jet fuel is money

03:42:43 BingoBoingo: Jet fuel actually makes great money.

03:43:03 Rassah: BingoBoingo: Protests? When I alked to them, they wanted to sell equity in it, but couldn't due to regulatory crap

03:43:24 BingoBoingo: Rassah: But what do the do? They de facto sell equity.

03:43:36 Rassah: I'm starting to suspect the things they talk about in private do not match the spin they put out in public...

03:43:49 BingoBoingo: Much like BFL sold equity in the company.

03:44:08 Rassah: BingoBoingo: but they wanted to sell equity... (Etherium)

03:44:20 Rassah: and now they are... so....

03:44:23 BingoBoingo: This "pre-order" "pre-sale" crap constitutes a sale of equity. Period.

03:44:32 Rassah: yes. Like they hoped and planned to do

03:44:42 Rassah: at least in private...

03:45:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 30 @ 0.13006666 = 3.902 BTC [+] {2}

03:45:23 BingoBoingo: If you don't have anything to deliver and you sell "whatevers" the "whatevers" you bought constitute equity in the concern

03:45:58 BingoBoingo: Among the other things Sonny V could go back to jail for equities fraud is a leading candidate.

03:46:58 Rassah: In summary, they had an idea they thought was awesome, they wanted to spend a year working on this awesome idea of theirs, without having to worry about jobs or income, so they marketed their idea to bitcoiners who like dumping money into altcoins... Sounds like they weren't dumb at all about this :)

03:47:06 Rassah: Though not sure about the ethics of this...

03:47:15 decimation: the label "money" isn't relevant - jet fuel is eminently salable, whereas the salability of ethereum is extremely dubious - and that's the property I was interested in specifying with the word "money"

03:47:37 BingoBoingo: Well, their biggest concern should be locating themselves in friendly jurisdictions that don't extradite.

03:47:37 TheNewDeal: so true

03:47:39 Rassah: decimation: What do you think about Namecoin?

03:48:07 decimation: it's not bitcoin

03:48:21 BingoBoingo: Namecoin is jet fuel sort of great, splendid utility, but externalities neuter it as a value.

03:48:43 BingoBoingo: The merged mining that saved namecoin now cripples it.

03:49:03 TheNewDeal: why so?

03:49:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 533 @ 0.00293008 = 1.5617 BTC [+] {6}

03:49:38 Rassah: decimation: K... Point is, regardless of what ether is ultimately worth, if they do come up with a system that's as usable as they hope it will be, you could think of ether is jet fuel needed to run it. It won't be money, and, privately, the ether guys don't seem to want etherium to be money either. Just coins you plunk into the system to keep it rnning

03:50:16 Rassah: BingoBoingo: I'm interested too. How so?

03:50:18 BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: Because what do the Big BTC pools that merge namecoin do? Almost uniformly they dump it. Now... there's enough NMC out there that a sufficiently well monetized party could stabilize the market, but doing so would be expensive and bloody

03:50:56 TheNewDeal: seems relatively stable as of late?

03:51:06 BingoBoingo: Rassah: Being a plus that can be mined on top of BTC with little opportunity cost is a handicap.

03:51:16 Rassah: Why do you need to stabilize Namecoin? It's not money :/

03:51:43 TheNewDeal: seems like a good distribution model

03:52:03 Rassah: If the demand for .bit domain names, addresses, and identities goes up, demand for namecoin will go up. Right now, it just says that no one realy uses .bit

03:52:37 BingoBoingo: ^ Rassah Without stability .bit just lacks appeal.

03:53:01 Rassah: BingoBoingo: My .bit domains are perfectly stable and functional

03:53:10 BingoBoingo: Then there's the tendency of NMC miners to reject tx's because it's just their free bonus coin with purchase of BTC mining

03:53:35 Rassah: I don't keep NMC as mone, stre of value, or a transaction mechanism. I keep it as "a cost to register and renew a domain name"

03:53:44 TheNewDeal: don't btc miners do that too?

03:53:55 Rassah: *stre = store

03:54:16 BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: Few BTC miners find mining empty blocks an economically optimal choice.

03:54:28 BingoBoingo: Anymore

03:54:28 Rassah: Look at NMC as a fluctuating cost at a domain registry, not as an alt coin.

03:54:36 TheNewDeal: well I didn't say empty. You said reject tx's

03:54:58 BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: Rejected tx's happen on a scale.

03:57:25 Rassah: Any of you guys ever go to conferences?

03:57:58 TheNewDeal: timiosara!?!

03:58:40 TheNewDeal: somebody just went to that bitcoin hippy festival called porcine or something

03:59:51 BingoBoingo: So, last friday I'm at the bar and my friends point out a dude with a Bitcoin T-shirt. Suggest I start a conversation. I point out that in the best case they are a stranger, and in the worst case they are some petty scammer I blogged about.

04:00:01 BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: That was danielpbarron

04:00:29 TheNewDeal: ahh

04:00:49 danielpbarron: TheNewDeal, ya, I did

04:01:07 TheNewDeal: hahaha

04:01:19 BingoBoingo: I tend to treat people in Bitcoin T-shirts the same way drug dealers treat people wearing I <3 crack T-shirts

04:01:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19253 @ 0.00079395 = 15.2859 BTC [-]

04:02:48 Rassah: Potential customers?

04:02:54 Rassah: Or undercover cops

04:04:11 BingoBoingo: Well, dude and his friends obviously smelled of drugs

04:04:35 TheNewDeal: i would hope so

04:05:55 TheNewDeal: the skunky kind?

04:09:53 BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: Smelled like the more solid, you're going to get addicted kind

04:09:57 BingoBoingo: !up Duffer1

04:10:20 BingoBoingo: I wonder if the 5-0 has an eu de meth the can spray on to be more convincing undercover

04:10:31 TheNewDeal: lol

04:12:13 Duffer1: i'm so proud of my cable management

04:12:23 Duffer1: i'll post pics later

04:19:24 dub: BingoBoingo: not afaik, they go for the real deal

04:22:33 dub: got a buddy who was basically high 24/7 on the job

04:34:44 Rassah: dub: Lots of suiters working at Disney World are like that

04:36:34 BingoBoingo: !up HANDSofSTEEL

04:36:39 BingoBoingo: !up sqsqsqsqsq

04:36:54 BingoBoingo: Welcome HANDSofSTEEL and sqsqsqsqsq

04:37:45 HANDSofSTEEL: thanks for the warm welcome

04:38:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.00079481 = 7.1533 BTC [+]

04:38:14 dub: suiters?

04:38:35 Rassah: I used to work at Disney World. People who wore suits often smoked weed, dropped acid, etc, because they could always blame the consequences on head exhaustion

04:38:59 Rassah: sorry, term is "fur suit," but I guess technicaly costumes

04:39:07 dub: Lawyers are teh biggest pottheads in my experience

04:39:09 Rassah: old habits die hard XD

04:39:13 dub: but we were talking about cops

04:39:23 Rassah: I thought lawyers did coke, no pot?

04:40:50 BingoBoingo: HANDSofSTEEL: Welcome here

04:40:57 dub: I've had pleny of jobs where weed was standard issue equipment

04:41:13 HANDSofSTEEL: ;)

04:44:27 BingoBoingo: HANDSofSTEEL: What brings you to these parts?

04:45:00 HANDSofSTEEL: was reading up on ethereum actually is what brought me here

04:45:23 HANDSofSTEEL: wanted to see what the overall vibe was like but i see there are logs online to look at

04:45:52 kakobrekla: !s ethereum

04:45:52 assbot: 117 results for 'ethereum' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=ethereum

04:45:55 kakobrekla: enjoy.

04:46:16 BingoBoingo: HANDSofSTEEL: Yeah, the log are here and as kakobrekla Has blessed you with, search

04:46:27 HANDSofSTEEL: =)

04:48:14 kakobrekla: i guess it would be fair to note that todays mentions are not parsed in search yet.

04:48:15 BingoBoingo: HANDSofSTEEL: If you really want to go long on ethereum, mircea_popescu wants to go short. I'd advise reading up on ethereum criticism before doing anything rash though.

04:48:25 Duffer1: HANDSofSTEEL http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/07/23/a-guide-to-buying-5000-ether-bitcoin-2-5x-more-than-ethereums-genesis-sale/

04:48:27 assbot: A Guide To Buying 5000 Ether/Bitcoin, 2.5x More Than Ethereum’s Genesis Sale Offers | When Bitcoin Met Pete

04:48:54 HANDSofSTEEL: thats what brought me here

04:48:57 HANDSofSTEEL: nice find

04:48:58 dub: Rassah: sorry, yes, lawyers == anything goes

04:49:23 Duffer1: etherum isn't going to end well

04:50:01 HANDSofSTEEL: what i wonder is if it will start well

04:50:05 dub: I expect that it will, at least, not start well

04:50:13 HANDSofSTEEL: lol

04:50:22 Duffer1: start well for who is the question

04:50:33 HANDSofSTEEL: good point

04:50:39 HANDSofSTEEL: might be good to get on both sides

04:50:45 Duffer1: haven't they already received several thousand perfectly healthy btc?

04:50:58 HANDSofSTEEL: the less the better

04:51:03 sqsqsqsqsq: allegedly

04:51:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.13 = 0.65 BTC [-]

04:51:50 HANDSofSTEEL: well its catch 22, the more on initial, the worse the entry price is, but there is increased interest

04:52:04 HANDSofSTEEL: if for some reason they stop selling them now

04:52:18 HANDSofSTEEL: then popularity explodes after offering but before genesis

04:52:26 HANDSofSTEEL: then that will be a good start for early investors

04:53:23 sqsqsqsqsq: you like it, the pump and dump?

04:53:46 HANDSofSTEEL: i actually think the technology is awesome is what piques my interest

04:54:30 HANDSofSTEEL: but yes there are alterior motives

04:55:00 mircea_popescu: ohai

04:55:20 mircea_popescu: it's usually spelled "ulterior"

04:55:22 Duffer1: http://imgur.com/zb5gXY9 front

04:55:22 assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer

04:55:31 Duffer1: http://imgur.com/Oq9Q2U6 back

04:55:32 assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer

04:56:11 mircea_popescu: Duffer1 this s not nearly nsfw enough for here

04:56:20 asciilifeform: Duffer1: what is remarkable in these photos ?

04:56:38 Duffer1: the cable management!

04:56:42 Duffer1: pff haters :(

04:59:02 HANDSofSTEEL: thanks for the correction

04:59:11 cazalla: Duffer1, i know that feel, ocd cable management

05:00:20 Duffer1: ya feels good having it all sorted

05:01:33 BingoBoingo: HANDSofSTEEL: If you want to take both sides, BitBet is probably the best tool for that

05:02:59 cazalla: he'll be taking it in the ass, that's about it

05:03:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.132 = 0.66 BTC [+]

05:04:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.133 = 0.665 BTC [+]

05:05:06 HANDSofSTEEL: bitbet is a cool site

05:06:16 mircea_popescu: copumpkin: damn! mpoe below .8 << im pretty sure it was her eb4

05:07:40 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform:

05:07:41 mircea_popescu: mircea_popescu: conventional munitions alarm << you mean, ears ringing? or smelled the unmistakeable smell of trotyl? or actual electric alarm? << no there;s an actual alarm.

05:08:07 mircea_popescu: tnt/trotyl/dynamite/etc have a very specific signatur

05:08:36 Rassah: By the way, does anyone have a better (lolsier) reason for why bitcoin will never work than "Bitcoin is deflationary, and will keep going up in price as people hoard it, until it becomes wortless?"

05:08:54 mircea_popescu: Rassah bitcoin will work.

05:10:01 Rassah: mircea_popescu: ??? I mean stupider than the claim I said

05:10:11 nubbins`: bitcoin is deflationary?

05:10:21 Rassah: That's the most entertainingly dumb thing I have heard. I wonder if anyone else has any others

05:10:23 mircea_popescu: derpflartionary amirite

05:10:48 Rassah: mircea_popescu: Wait, why are you telling me that bitcoin will work?..........

05:11:05 mircea_popescu: cuz you asked :D

05:11:13 dub: that aint cable management

05:11:25 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if your alarm picks up TATP, sell it to the americans, they'll cream their pants

05:11:32 mircea_popescu: btw, let the permanent rtecord reflect that i am less drunken than mthreat

05:11:34 mircea_popescu: i can type

05:11:42 mthreat: false

05:11:50 mthreat: ok gnite

05:12:00 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's shockwave based

05:12:18 mthreat: <mircea_popescu> rtecord <<

05:12:20 mircea_popescu: mthreat you gettting blown too ?

05:12:23 BingoBoingo: Huh, I'm only running a .21 according to this machine

05:12:26 asciilifeform: lol!

05:12:34 Duffer1: dub it's as far as i was willing to go, not about to rebraid each wire lol

05:12:55 Rassah: mircea_popescu: It sounded like you doubted my faith in bitcoin. Frankly I am offended. The statement I made was lolzy and derpy beause it is essentially saying that bitcoin will become so valuable that it will be valueless, which is a logical contradiction, and yet I have heard that statement countless times over the years

05:13:06 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lulz all you want!

05:13:20 mircea_popescu: Rassah lol simmer.

05:13:22 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: shockwave << what's the use if the charge is already set off and the crater smoking ?

05:13:32 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know they missed.

05:14:20 asciilifeform: 'q: what to do if a shell lands in your trench? a: jump twenty meters and scatter yourself around!' - ww1, british.

05:15:24 *: dub fails to quickly find pics of loomed 7*48 port fibre blades and gives up

05:15:45 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know making a hit is not as trivial as it sounds.

05:16:58 mircea_popescu: decimation: I thought it was always native << you were right, it was.

05:16:59 *: asciilifeform is familiar with history, where the briefcase is always behind one cement column too far, the mine is always three cars away, etc.

05:17:35 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sad fact of life.

05:17:53 *: asciilifeform still didn't think this required electronics. if you're in range, ear/nose ought to work

05:18:17 asciilifeform: although i can think of one case

05:18:46 mircea_popescu: decimation: everyone knows that eastern europeans are going to cheat and steal the carp << i can attest, carp is huge in eeu

05:18:59 mircea_popescu: and in romanian, it's called crap

05:19:02 asciilifeform: (dr. evil plants mine on street xxx, you left xxx ahead of schedule, mine blows. locals admit nothing, say 'gas leak.' wave velocity sensor on your desk tells truth.)

05:19:18 dub: i've a perverse need to test newphones waterproofyness

05:20:04 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform generally such detectors are valuable to embarass.

05:20:49 asciilifeform: incidentally, for a few years now one can buy similar apparatus for triangulating small arms fire. you can actually see these permanently installed in certain u.s. cities.

05:21:04 mircea_popescu: decimation: web 2.0 is so poorly designed that this barely exists, instead of being a first class featue << muff said.

05:23:11 mircea_popescu: Rassah: I thought he was? Etherium is run by a large group of people, including finance guys << none of which in the wot ? catperson, puhlease.

05:24:03 Rassah: mircea_popescu: Most people I know are not in the wot. Sorry, but there is a whole separate "wot" out there that's not quite as... digital...

05:24:21 mircea_popescu: of people that will either fail or be raped or both.,

05:24:28 mircea_popescu: not in the wot = no good. period.

05:26:51 mircea_popescu: think of it as "not being in the communist party" in moscow cca 1952.

05:26:58 mircea_popescu: you ARE goign to siberia. on foot.

05:27:12 mircea_popescu: to dig ditches.

05:27:54 Rassah: like my great grandmother and many other relatives?

05:28:32 mircea_popescu: sure.

05:28:38 Rassah: The other "wot" is people who actually know each other in person, and can vouch for each other. It's WOT, witout a digital record

05:29:05 mircea_popescu: you're on the thin ice of presumption. what makes you think people on the wot don';t kn ow each other in person ?

05:29:13 Rassah: and it's just as reliable (see pirate@40) whereby some people can be nice and known and trusted, and turn out to be total douchebags

05:29:40 Rassah: There are a lot of people in wot that have never met in person

05:29:42 mircea_popescu: perhaps you'd be well served by reading the discussion on the topic. the wot dun work as you may imagine it do\es.

05:30:24 mircea_popescu: but anyway, time for me to get my toes suckled. tomorro.

05:30:48 Rassah: I'll go get my dick sucked instead. See ya!

05:33:03 dub: a number of 'trusted' fold in and out of the wot met pirate if you'll recall

06:28:03 fluffypony: Rassah: you are spot on, in a sense - the WoT is a digital representation of the real life business networks that are often found amongst the Freemasons, the Jews, or even among an old boy's club for a particular school

06:28:14 fluffypony: the difference is that it's completely all-encompasing and global in its reach

06:28:18 fluffypony: so its incomparable

06:28:51 Rassah: The people in my real life WoT are all-encompasng and global too

06:29:28 Rassah: Except I actually know them, who they are, what they do, what kind of a person they are, etc much more than a nick on an IRC chat

06:31:46 Rassah: Mainly because taking to someone on IRC does't give you nearly as much information as talking to them IRL, over beers, while watching their nonverbal cues and cmmunication

06:31:51 Rassah: *talking

06:35:20 cazalla: so much for that blow job?

06:35:55 fluffypony: hah hah

06:37:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14250 @ 0.00079416 = 11.3168 BTC [-] {2}

06:37:11 dub: wot provides more behavioural references

06:37:22 dub: more than

06:53:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7434 @ 0.00079481 = 5.9086 BTC [+]

06:54:51 BingoBoingo: %t

06:54:53 atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 210 Ask: 238 Last Price: 210 24h-Vol: 115k High: 239 Low: 210 VWAP: 222

07:02:19 danielpbarron: 02:28:52 <+Rassah> The people in my real life WoT .. << get them in the gribble WoT

07:09:41 fluffypony: ;;tslb

07:09:46 fluffypony: !tslb

07:09:48 gribble: Time since last block: 31 minutes and 53 seconds

07:09:51 fluffypony: wtf

07:09:57 fluffypony: every time I need a transfer to move quickly this happens

07:10:43 xmj: tell me about it

07:10:55 xmj: everytime i need something done quickly i'm blocked by bureaucracy.

07:12:44 benkay: <BingoBoingo> mike_c: Situation has been remedied. Key in question was not sold so much as held by each of us in trust of a higher powah. // this is the highest endorsement of the wot i've yet seen

07:12:59 benkay: strongest, sorry, i'm the high one

07:13:02 benkay: oscon is in town

07:13:11 benkay: nobody escapes the open drinquisition

07:42:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33960 @ 0.00079417 = 26.97 BTC [-] {2}

07:51:56 pankkake: /r/buttcoin can't deal with bitcoin opinions that are not the standard /r/bitcoin crap; they expect to fill their bingo cards and it doesn't work

07:52:21 pankkake: about the tslb: anyone tried greenaddress? I've only read the faq, but it seems pretty smart

07:52:42 pankkake: certainly better that an inputs.io style solution

08:08:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16727 @ 0.00079394 = 13.2802 BTC [-] {2}

08:25:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.13408332 = 1.609 BTC [+] {3}

08:34:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25790 @ 0.0007936 = 20.4669 BTC [-] {3}

08:43:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27550 @ 0.0007928 = 21.8416 BTC [-]

09:27:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35440 @ 0.00080041 = 28.3665 BTC [+]

09:33:11 pankkake: http://bitcoinstudent.tumblr.com/post/92669241028/results-of-a-3-000-person-bitcoin-survey (keep in mind it's a survey of redditors)

09:33:11 assbot: Bitcoin Student Results of a 3,000+ person Bitcoin survey

09:34:37 jurov: honestly i don't think adding 100 of us would skew the results much

09:47:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ROCK] 2000 @ 0.00084995 = 1.6999 BTC [-]

10:13:57 jurov: hue http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2bh2sr/mtgox_creditor_meeting_handout/cj5e9ue

10:13:57 assbot: trixisowned comments on mtgox creditor meeting handout

10:14:12 jurov: !up Poffertje

10:14:22 jurov: !up windjc

10:14:30 jurov: !up trixisowned

10:14:32 trixisowned: ;)

10:15:13 jurov: !up punkman

10:15:49 trixisowned: https://blockchain.info/charts/balance?address=36PrZ1KHYMpqSyAQXSG8VwbUiq2EogxLo2

10:15:50 assbot: Bitcoin Balance of bitcoin address: 36PrZ1KHYMpqSyAQXSG8VwbUiq2EogxLo2

10:15:52 trixisowned: daily lol

10:16:16 jurov: what is it?

10:16:34 trixisowned: etherium proof of burn

10:16:35 trixisowned: :P

10:16:37 trixisowned: lol proof of burn

10:16:43 trixisowned: thats what im calling it at this point

10:18:26 trixisowned: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLjlOw3TVc8&feature=player_detailpage#t=79

10:18:26 assbot: An exclusive peek into the world's biggest Bitcoin exchange - YouTube

10:21:13 jurov: ;;rate trixisowned 1 b-a voice. and luke said he's a troll.

10:21:14 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user trixisowned has been recorded.

10:21:25 trixisowned: luke is a dumbass

10:21:25 jurov: ;D

10:21:26 trixisowned: :/

10:21:42 trixisowned: i just wanted him to please point out what his share algorithm does on eligius

10:21:44 trixisowned: and he was like

10:22:03 jurov: he got you a voice here :D

10:22:28 trixisowned: "oh i havent even looked at the code for CBBSRB"

10:22:39 trixisowned: "I dont even know what that does"

10:24:10 jurov: and you looked into it?

10:24:15 jurov: found any phun?

10:36:24 pankkake: ;;rate trixisowned 1 troll

10:36:25 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user trixisowned has been recorded.

10:44:51 trixisowned: jurov CBBSRB was created to hide Luke-Jr and his crew taking from each block found by their pool

10:45:19 fluffypony: who here gets the Bitcoin BullBear report?

10:47:09 trixisowned: CBBSRB just made it so the blocks looked like they were paying out full blocks on each block payout

10:47:47 trixisowned: when in reality they just added their address to the list of miners, and take a percentage of each block as if they were actually hashing

10:47:55 trixisowned: its why you see odd payouts on eligius

10:48:01 trixisowned: that dont match other pools

10:48:07 trixisowned: when you have 5TH+

10:50:07 ThickAsThieves: <+Rassah> Also, as is most important in any crptocurrency (even moreso than its "features") Etherium has a team of good developers with a specific goals, who want to work to develop it no matter the price. /// til they get bored

10:50:23 fluffypony: oh I missed all of that

10:50:26 fluffypony: he's punting Etherium?

10:50:27 fluffypony: lol.

10:52:41 ThickAsThieves: <+BingoBoingo> My current beef with Etherium is that despite all of their protests they are selling equity in a something. /// worse, they are selling a painting of a duck to dogs, they don't yet realize it can't fly or quack, but it at least fills their bellies

10:54:34 ThickAsThieves: <+Rassah> In summary, they had an idea they thought was awesome, they wanted to spend a year working on this awesome idea of theirs, without having to worry about jobs or income, so they marketed their idea to bitcoiners who like dumping money into altcoins... Sounds like they weren't dumb at all about this :) //// So, they are about equal to every other altcoin with dream, where's

10:54:34 ThickAsThieves: the smarts?

10:55:24 ThickAsThieves: <+Rassah> decimation: ... you could think of ether is jet fuel needed to run it. /// gtfo

10:57:59 fluffypony: I'm sure I heard someone say that Etherium is "blockchain 3.0 technology" the other day, I wanted to stab them in the face

11:00:40 ThickAsThieves: <+BingoBoingo> HANDSofSTEEL: If you want to take both sides, BitBet is probably the best tool for that --- good point, need ETH BitBet, that's how we can all short the mofo

11:03:40 pankkake: the issue is that there's no exchange yet, obviously

11:03:46 pankkake: so how can you spec the bet?

11:05:51 ThickAsThieves: <+dub> i've a perverse need to test newphones waterproofyness /// maybe you should go to running of the bulls

11:14:03 ThickAsThieves: <+trixisowned> https://blockchain.info/charts/balance?address=36PrZ1KHYMpqSyAQXSG8VwbUiq2EogxLo2 //// it;s rounding off, SELL!

11:14:04 assbot: Bitcoin Balance of bitcoin address: 36PrZ1KHYMpqSyAQXSG8VwbUiq2EogxLo2

11:14:09 dub: no thx

11:15:07 ThickAsThieves: <+fluffypony> who here gets the Bitcoin BullBear report? /// is it good?

11:15:36 trixisowned: http://www.btc798.com/article-5018-1.html

11:15:39 assbot: |_

11:15:39 *: trixisowned cough

11:15:44 trixisowned: oops

11:15:48 trixisowned: wrong chat lol

11:15:56 fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: yeah not bad, some of it is above my pay grade and I don't quite grok the nuances, but it's still interesting

11:16:11 fluffypony: this week they stopped their LTC analysis entirely (they will do ocassional bits of LTC analysis if necessary)

11:16:23 dub: a friend broke his femure in pamplona (not running the bulls, trying to scale balconies the night before), hospitals there are scary

11:16:25 fluffypony: and instead did an analysis of XMR on the back of yesterday's Poloniex announcement

11:16:45 ThickAsThieves: trixisowned fire currency?

11:17:15 ThickAsThieves: announcement?

11:18:00 dub: these guys ended up in his ward http://zakireza.wordpress.com/2011/08/27/running-of-the-bulls/michael-lenahan-laurence-lenahan/

11:18:01 assbot: Michael Lenahan, Laurence Lenahan | Zaki's Blog

11:19:04 ThickAsThieves: ass to ass!

11:19:08 fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: https://www.poloniex.com/press-releases/2014.07.23-Poloniex-Welcomes-New-Monero-XMR-Markets

11:19:08 assbot: Poloniex Welcomes New Monero (XMR) Markets

11:19:31 ThickAsThieves: oic pumping like champs

11:50:58 ThickAsThieves: a new plane is missing

11:51:04 ThickAsThieves: http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/24/world/africa/air-algerie-flight/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

11:51:05 assbot: Air Algerie plane with 116 on board falls off radar - CNN.com

11:53:08 ThickAsThieves: http://money.cnn.com/2013/12/19/news/china-bitcoin-hack/

11:53:08 assbot: China's central bank hacked - Dec. 19, 2013

11:53:15 ThickAsThieves: "Yesterday, we had to stop accepting deposits into the exchange, because our payment processor had essentially cut us off from new deposits," BTC China CEO Bobby Lee told CNN.

11:53:38 ThickAsThieves: ddos is a hack now

11:54:07 ThickAsThieves: (old news)

11:54:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12826 @ 0.00080241 = 10.2917 BTC [+]

12:07:21 ThickAsThieves: cheapcoinz!

12:07:25 ThickAsThieves: ;;ticker

12:07:26 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 605.0, Best ask: 605.56, Bid-ask spread: 0.56000, Last trade: 605.0, 24 hour volume: 6633.77534253, 24 hour low: 603.45, 24 hour high: 623.0, 24 hour vwap: 616.38692407

12:09:06 Pierre_Rochard: ThickAsThieves: huh. Not seeing any news

12:10:55 fluffypony: Pierre_Rochard: the market rarely shifts on the back of news

12:11:28 fluffypony: it's driven by supply and demand and other market forces (which can include news or market manipulation)

12:12:40 Pierre_Rochard: fluffypony: agreed, I look for news because that can hint at the amplitude of the shift

12:13:18 fluffypony: maybe people are pissed that Draper didn't reveal the USMS auction price on the Colbert Report yesterday

12:13:18 ThickAsThieves: news is usually just an excuse for market to do what wanted to anyway

12:13:36 ThickAsThieves: i charted this fall like a champ

12:13:43 BigBitz: news is secondary.

12:13:50 BigBitz: Bitcoin markets don't revolve around news.

12:13:52 BigBitz: They don't care.

12:14:00 fluffypony: ^^

12:14:44 BigBitz: It could be something amazing and wonderful like US Scrap USD for BTC and it would tank.

12:14:44 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

12:14:59 BigBitz: Then the next day it would be China bans Bitcoin (again) and it would rallllleeeeyyyythefuckmoade.

12:15:39 Pierre_Rochard: BigBitz: Ok, in the future I will qualify it as “huh. Not seeing any news that could be having a secondary effect because while the price doesn’t revolve around the news, this could be one of the rare news-driven price shifts”. That way there won’t be any confusion.

12:15:55 dub: ThickAsThieves: I thought you called a break up

12:16:19 ThickAsThieves: after this fall, yes

12:16:38 BigBitz: where do we go TAT?

12:16:42 BigBitz: $500? $440?

12:16:43 ThickAsThieves: http://devilsadvocate.biz/btcusd-update-bitstamp-preparing-for-700/

12:16:45 assbot: BTCUSD Update (Bitstamp) Preparing for $700?

12:16:51 ThickAsThieves: i have a newer chart ill share in a sec

12:16:57 ThickAsThieves: made afte rthat one

12:17:55 BigBitz: You have 634 for today :(

12:18:00 ThickAsThieves: http://i.imgur.com/YqeEc6N.jpg

12:18:12 ThickAsThieves: you dont trade by the date

12:18:16 ThickAsThieves: you trade by the price

12:18:26 BigBitz: I making poking fun :P

12:18:45 BigBitz: errr... I was poking fun.

12:18:48 ThickAsThieves: hehe

12:18:49 dub: did you fuck that chart up?

12:19:01 ThickAsThieves: use the imgur one

12:19:06 ThickAsThieves: it's much better

12:19:57 ThickAsThieves: of course i could still be wrong

12:20:01 ThickAsThieves: could fall to 560

12:20:04 dub: less cropping would be useful

12:21:15 ThickAsThieves: dub here's the full interactive one then https://www.tradingview.com/e/6HNfLOlQ/

12:21:16 assbot: BTCUSD: BTCUSD Bitstamp longterm - TradingView

12:22:23 ThickAsThieves: it's a bull pennant with a fractal inside

12:22:38 ThickAsThieves: white line / black line

13:25:00 bitcoinpete: howdy

13:26:39 bitcoinpete: * BingoBoingo has never actually been to an airport << huh… ain't that the darndest thing

13:28:21 bitcoinpete: Spoondoolies Halts Sales of SP30, Investigating Technical Issues << that might explain the mysterious 30k TH that suddenly came and went

13:29:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24200 @ 0.00080113 = 19.3873 BTC [-]

13:32:24 bitcoinpete: Rassah: I wonder if Bitcoin Pete has met an inteligent person in his life << if i had, would that make ethereum suck less?

13:32:30 kakobrekla: ;;bc,convert eur

13:32:31 gribble: 1 BTC = 594.99 USD = 441.839574 eur

13:32:46 kakobrekla: is this dogecoin quote ?

13:33:38 bitcoinpete: BingoBoingo: Well, pete's a jew and there are a lot of smart members of the tribe << einstein, maimonides, spinoza, natalie portman, etc.

13:33:51 bitcoinpete: kakobrekla: too many decimals?

13:35:26 kakobrekla: soon, there will only be decimals!

13:35:26 bitcoinpete: Rassah: There aren't a lot of smart people in bitcoinland... I have a feeling Bitcoin Pete isn't one either, but is regurgitating things other smart people are saying in his blogs. A beneficial service I guess << hooray for stupid yet useful jooz!

13:35:45 bitcoinpete: kakobrekla: then we'll be kings!

13:36:39 bitcoinpete: BingoBoingo: Well, if pete isn't smart then he's been incredibly lucky. << and crafty! but smart and lucky need not be mutually exclusive.

13:37:17 pankkake: natalie portman is a jew? I always knew something was off with her

13:37:31 cazalla: c'mon, it's hollywood afterall

13:37:32 pankkake: BingoBoingo, fear of flying? :p

13:40:49 bitcoinpete: pankkake: natalie, scarlett johansson, mila kunis, elizabeth banks (convert), isla fisher (convert), gwenyth paltrow, and neve campbell

13:40:56 bitcoinpete: so my research tells me

13:41:06 fluffypony: your fro-search, you mean

13:41:09 pankkake: wait, hollywood converts actresses to jews?!

13:41:15 fluffypony: it's like a Jew-dar on your head

13:41:18 bitcoinpete: well… ya

13:41:21 pankkake: funny how I don't like any of those

13:41:27 pankkake: maybe I'm an antisemite after all!

13:41:54 pankkake: my jewdar is broken, despite being French

13:41:57 cazalla: you may as well write a list of who isn't jewish, it'll be shorter

13:42:01 bitcoinpete: pankkake: but you're pro-croissant!

13:42:12 pankkake: eheh

13:42:18 pigeons: natilie portman is smart?

13:42:33 bitcoinpete: ;;google natalie portman

13:42:34 gribble: Natalie Portman . com | The #1 fansite for Natalie Portman: http://www.natalieportman.com/; Natalie Portman - IMDb: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000204/; Natalie Portman - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natalie_Portman

13:42:41 bitcoinpete: went to harvard iirc

13:43:00 bitcoinpete: which makes her more soviet, i suppose

13:43:49 bitcoinpete: Rassah: That statement of his tells me he either has never met Vitalik in person, or doesn't know what an inteligent person is like << met the dude briefly at toronto expo. so what?

13:44:04 bitcoinpete: vitalik's actions say it all

13:44:26 bitcoinpete: kid's being played like a flute by a bunch of dopey tards

13:44:36 cazalla: he's related to marc andresen right?

13:44:39 pankkake: why would all scammers be dumb?

13:44:44 cazalla: on account of their heads and shit

13:45:01 bitcoinpete: his intentions seem innocent enough and i'm sure he's "having fun" but ethereum is still a fucking joke

13:45:13 bitcoinpete: cazalla: same barber

13:45:32 fluffypony: but...but...isn't it Blockchain 3.0 technology?

13:45:38 fluffypony: meanwhile we haven't even gotten to 1.0 yet

13:46:06 pigeons: vitalik sells lots of snake oil besides etherum: emulated quantum computer that runs faster than its von neuman host; proof of stake; "trustless" distributed fiat (schellingcoin);

13:46:16 bitcoinpete: BingoBoingo: Pascal had an application... Busses have an application... Pretty sure Doge had an application even if it wasn't a pretty one << i like this

13:46:42 pigeons: those are all cool ideas, but pretending they actually work and can be used is pretty much deceptive

13:47:25 pankkake: well yes, he wants to have fun at others expense

13:47:27 kakobrekla: church going people.

13:47:58 ThickAsThieves: guys I have this problem that only a smart contract can solve!

13:48:02 ThickAsThieves: no one said ever

13:48:06 bitcoinpete: fluffypony: show those derps a 5000 BTC bounty for making 1.0 work and then we might be talking

13:48:28 pigeons: now you have 2 problems

13:48:59 bitcoinpete: pigeons: fucking 21 yo kid thinks he can invent rounder wheel

13:49:10 bitcoinpete: ;;rated BingoBoingo

13:49:11 gribble: You rated user BingoBoingo on Thu May 22 17:57:19 2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: spinozan, blogger.

13:49:25 bitcoinpete: eh ok

13:49:36 pigeons: maybe he can, but build it before you sell it to me

13:50:16 bitcoinpete: myeah

13:50:59 bitcoinpete: well my blog post on the matter was fairly widely read.

13:51:27 bitcoinpete: at least enough to get a phone call from ethereum fearless leader anthony di iorio

13:51:34 bitcoinpete: he left a stern voicemail

13:51:44 fluffypony: hah ha

13:51:46 fluffypony: saying what?

13:51:58 bitcoinpete: when he remembers where his pgp keys went, i'll talk to him

13:52:24 pankkake: what the fuck?

13:52:57 bitcoinpete: fluffypony: saying "hi peter. this is anthony di iorio. i was just looking at that blog post. call me back."

13:53:19 fluffypony: rude

13:53:27 pankkake: who do those people think they are

13:53:34 pigeons: wow really they are already trying to damage control the 1% of the press they get that isn't positive? and from a bitcoinpete (no offense lol) blog post?

13:54:26 bitcoinpete: fluffypony: brusque for sure

13:54:42 bitcoinpete: pigeons: MOAR POSEETEEV NOOZ!

13:55:49 bitcoinpete: pankkake: i've met anthony irl twice and we've talked on the phone before. but it's been... quite a while

13:56:01 bitcoinpete: he sold me some coins otc too

13:56:36 bitcoinpete: bout a year ago iirc

13:56:54 bitcoinpete: still. pgp or gtfo

13:57:12 bitcoinpete: or hell, irc

13:57:55 bitcoinpete: Rassah: I'm starting to suspect the things they talk about in private do not match the spin they put out in public... << trust that gut

13:58:34 pankkake: yeah he's not on #bitcoin-conspiracy

13:58:50 ThickAsThieves: aww ethereum didnt call me tho

13:58:57 ThickAsThieves: so jelly

14:00:12 bitcoinpete: ThickAsThieves: where's your super scandalous blog post?

14:00:18 bitcoinpete: that's what i thought ;)

14:01:37 bitcoinpete: BingoBoingo: I tend to treat people in Bitcoin T-shirts the same way drug dealers treat people wearing I <3 crack T-shirts << lol !

14:04:54 ThickAsThieves: i just leave supertrolly comments on their PR instead

14:07:33 mike_c: i like how therealaltcoin.org has a shopping cart button in the header :)

14:07:40 mike_c: you should link it to x-bt

14:11:25 bitcoinpete: fluffypony: maybe people are pissed that Draper didn't reveal the USMS auction price on the Colbert Report yesterday << this theory should have its own blog post. maybe tie it into the baltic bitcoin conference one?

14:11:42 fluffypony: speaking of which

14:11:51 fluffypony: I've now managed to successfully choose the photos I want for the blog post

14:12:14 fluffypony: unfortunately I have to finalise this tender by CoB tomorrow, and there's stuff that needs changing

14:12:25 fluffypony: so maybe over the w/e

14:13:27 bitcoinpete: so you're saying there's a chance!

14:14:30 fluffypony: lulz

14:18:00 bitcoinpete: https://bitcoin23.crowdtilt.com/bitcoin23-nascar << donate $25k cuz bitcoiners have dogederp fomo

14:18:01 assbot: Bitcoin23

14:18:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23372 @ 0.00080444 = 18.8014 BTC [+] {2}

14:20:30 mike_c: duffer1 must have spent time in a datacenter. that cable routing is tight.

14:24:11 kakobrekla: http://shrani.si/f/3Z/8U/3Mdj6vio/last-blocks.png

14:24:13 bitcoinpete: http://www.coinsetter.com/blog/2014/07/24/coinsetter-launches-beta-platform-now-full-us-bitcoin-exchange/ << lol! cloudflare!

14:24:14 assbot: Database Error

14:24:24 bitcoinpete: how "full"

14:24:28 kakobrekla: funny, atc having most txes per block.

14:24:53 mike_c: Rassah:Mainly because taking to someone on IRC does't give you nearly as much information as talking to them IRL, over beers, while watching their nonverbal cues and cmmunication << uh, does this guy know hom scamming works?

14:25:31 fluffypony: hah hah

14:25:51 mike_c: i mean, those are exactly the tools at the disposal of the scammer. misleading cues and communication.

14:25:54 fluffypony: becase confidence tricksters don't exist, and even if they did they'd never know which non-verbal cues they should be giving off

14:27:26 kakobrekla: <kakobrekla> funny, atc having most txes per block. < guess mike_c is to blame

14:27:40 bitcoinpete: kakobrekla: wow. the wotcoin dominateth.

14:28:11 mike_c: kakobrekla: i'll add quark support in winter 2014/2024

14:28:17 kakobrekla: lol

14:28:32 ThickAsThieves: <+mike_c> you should link it to x-bt /// i had to hack teh phpz, but it's done!

14:28:53 mike_c: ThickAsThieves: lol. nice

14:31:11 bitcoinpete: mike_c: if you weren't in the wot, i'd swear your quark support was a scam

14:31:41 mike_c: it's coming, i swear. you can pay me for it now.

14:32:11 bitcoinpete: please to provide address

14:32:11 ThickAsThieves: booo

14:32:34 ThickAsThieves: mike_c is selling out for the community

14:32:53 bitcoinpete: i only trust mike_c if address starts with teh 3

14:33:08 ThickAsThieves: ethreemeum

14:33:16 mike_c: i am trying to figure that out right now.. i thought that was version number and we were still on 1.

14:33:47 bitcoinpete: i only invest in teh future

14:34:04 bitcoinpete: >3 investing policy nao in effect

14:34:28 bitcoinpete: heya Pierre_Rochard

14:38:10 mike_c: fuck me, that ehremum address is version 5! such futuristic

14:38:21 chetty: mike_c: Rassah:Mainly because taking to someone on IRC does't give you nearly as much information as talking to them IRL, over beers, while watching their nonverbal cues and cmmunication << uh, does this guy know hom scamming works?//meeting pirate in person helped so many people figure that one out

14:38:58 mike_c: i know, right? confidence men don't gain your confidence by not having a beer with you.

14:39:08 ThickAsThieves: #b-a - We Know How Scamming Works

14:39:20 ThickAsThieves: no no thats not right

14:39:24 ThickAsThieves: :)

14:41:37 bitcoinpete: lol

14:41:53 bitcoinpete: #b-a - We Know One When We See One

14:44:09 thestringpuller: "game recognize game and you lookin' kinda unfamiliar" translated: "we know one when we see one and you look like a scammer"

14:44:50 mike_c: i'm probably the only idiot in here, but in case there is one other: "3 indicates a "pay-to-script-hash" address that contains a hash (one way fingerprint) of a script that can be used for multiple things including address obfuscation and multi-signature requirements."

14:46:50 nubbins`: i was talking to another local screenprinter last night

14:47:22 nubbins`: he did a series of prints last year depicting a map of the city cut up into different neighbourhoods, with the name of each written on top (it's a thing people do)

14:47:35 nubbins`: he says he's made enough money off those prints so far that he was able to buy a new car :0

14:48:46 bitcoinpete: nubbins`: did you tell him he shoulda bought $10k of bitcoin instead?

14:49:01 nubbins`: i think if he'd done that he'd be less happy now

14:49:59 bitcoinpete: heh his loss

14:50:19 nubbins`: ;;calc 10000/1000

14:50:19 gribble: 10

14:50:25 nubbins`: ;;calc 10*[ticker --last]

14:50:26 gribble: 6048.8

14:50:30 nubbins`: not his loss, precisely

14:51:29 bitcoinpete: it's a long game

14:52:05 bitcoinpete: and i'd be shocked if his car kept more value in that year

14:52:25 ThickAsThieves: how would he drive around in his bitcoins tho?>

14:53:14 bitcoinpete: let's say he made $20k off the prints

14:53:23 bitcoinpete: $10k for new car, $10k for bitcoins

14:54:08 bitcoinpete: $20k car is worth $15k the next year

14:54:26 ThickAsThieves: maybe his lifestyle require nicer car

14:54:33 ThickAsThieves: requires

14:54:49 thestringpuller: nubbins`: need more litho-printers these days

14:54:50 chetty: <bitcoinpete> $20k car is worth $15k the next year// and all the maintence costs and insurance and and

14:54:55 bitcoinpete: ThickAsThieves: what is this "requires" business?

14:55:05 ThickAsThieves: he's his own man

14:55:12 ThickAsThieves: and what he requires he decides

14:55:22 thestringpuller: chetty: unless that car is a Tesla :P

14:55:26 bitcoinpete: mebbe

14:55:29 ThickAsThieves: i mean, somewhere in all this bitcoining you buy stuff, and some of that stuff aint cheap as possible

14:55:37 bitcoinpete: mebbe he's also married and doesn'

14:55:42 bitcoinpete: doesn't own his own cock

14:55:51 ThickAsThieves: ok

14:55:59 ThickAsThieves: maybe he has two cocks

14:56:02 chetty: choices are so much fun

14:56:23 bitcoinpete: ThickAsThieves: but dude doesn't have any bitcoin afaik

14:56:36 bitcoinpete: not the same choice as you and i have

14:56:41 ThickAsThieves: no no

14:56:48 ThickAsThieves: we have a real case

14:56:51 nubbins`: heh

14:56:58 ThickAsThieves: he mad ethe money when bitcoin was a certain price

14:57:01 ThickAsThieves: you cant ignore that

14:57:13 nubbins`: he made the money when btc was > $1k

14:57:20 nubbins`: now, to be fair, he's still making money

14:57:32 nubbins`: i think he said he's pulled in $13k so far, hoping for $20k by the new year

14:57:39 nubbins`: which TBH kinda floored me

14:57:42 ThickAsThieves: so you might say, ok bro you got the car, maybe now get some btc

14:57:50 nubbins`: meh

14:58:05 ThickAsThieves: but maybe btc goes to 250

14:58:07 nubbins`: what i really want him to spend his money on is stuff i can sell him ;p

14:58:19 bitcoinpete: or borrow the money to buy the car and use the cash to buy btc

14:58:46 ThickAsThieves: either way i'm done worrying about random canadian stranger!

14:59:10 nubbins`: heh

14:59:11 nubbins`: http://gigposters.com/designer/57508_Jud_Haynes.html

14:59:12 assbot: GigPosters.com - Jud Haynes

14:59:14 nubbins`: there's some of his work

14:59:14 bitcoinpete: lol ya i'm just being difficult

14:59:18 kakobrekla: its easy to speak for the past.

14:59:21 nubbins`: talented guy

14:59:50 bitcoinpete: quite

15:00:29 nubbins`: we printed that "hey rosetta" one in the second row

15:00:42 xmj: fluffypony: did i post you my business plan and pricing scheme?

15:00:53 fluffypony: for the Cloud of Trust?

15:01:02 xmj: nah

15:01:12 xmj: that one is just lulz

15:02:07 xmj: fluffypony: biz plan: https://dpaste.de/hfYX/raw pricing: https://dpaste.de/oZHJ/raw

15:03:49 fluffypony: *clicks*

15:06:10 fluffypony: xmj: that's decent - I'd pay that

15:06:49 xmj: validation is good

15:07:50 xmj: i figured it'd be a sign of (costly) honesty to put the margin % there too.

15:08:11 xmj: you know... signalling. in order to fly my guys to conferences i need to make decent cash.

15:09:21 fluffypony: yeah look, if I paid a competent sysadmin freelancer that'll cost me $50/hour, and I can guarantee they'll over-engineer things despite my asking for something simple

15:09:29 fluffypony: and end up taking 3 weeks to do a 1 day job

15:10:26 Pierre_Rochard: hey bitcoinpete

15:11:27 bitcoinpete: how's life at bitpay Pierre_Rochard ?

15:12:09 Pierre_Rochard: bitcoinpete: or borrow the money to buy the car and use the cash to buy btc << I like this form of indirect leverage. Who else would finance bitcoins < 5% APR (0% if you get a good deal)?

15:12:26 Pierre_Rochard: Very nice

15:13:25 bitcoinpete: glad to hear it!

15:15:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 21 @ 0.13517667 = 2.8387 BTC [-] {2}

15:15:41 xmj: fluffypony: we're at about 75$/h

15:15:51 xmj: and yes overengineering. config management all through.

15:16:08 xmj: it's just that.. we're faster.

15:16:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.13261 = 1.0609 BTC [-] {2}

15:16:44 xmj: i've noticed there is no difference in setting up a server from scratch either a) manually or b) with salt. b) is reproducible, documented and reusable.

15:17:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.1324875 = 1.5899 BTC [-] {3}

15:19:58 kakobrekla: https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/t31.0-8/10511487_10154395125595483_190465396346203020_o.jpg

15:22:30 xmj: fluffypony: ^

15:22:47 fluffypony: lol

15:23:02 xmj: well, i did want to point at the log before, but the greek flag is good too

15:23:10 fluffypony: xmj yeah - I don't have a problem with an over-engineered template that gets reused by someone competent

15:24:19 xmj: http://www.globalnerdy.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/geeks-and-repetitive-tasks.jpg

15:24:22 xmj: relevant.

15:27:08 xmj: fluffypony: if you hear from anyone that they need such, let me know please :)

15:27:15 kakobrekla: <Pierre_Rochard> bitcoinpete: or borrow the money to buy the car and use the cash to buy btc << I like this form of indirect leverage. Who else would finance bitcoins < 5% APR (0% if you get a good deal)? < as i was saying, if you are in position where you need to borrow to gamble/invest in btc, you should not do it.

15:28:49 Pierre_Rochard: kakobrekla: so everyone should pay off their mortgage / student loans / credit cards / car loans before buying bitcoins? Seems a little extreme and just poor balance sheet management imho

15:29:48 kakobrekla: put in what you can not what you cant.

15:30:57 *: nubbins` groans

15:31:18 nubbins`: paying off debts before putting money into high-risk investment: "a little extreme"

15:31:22 xmj: paying off debt is always the best option.

15:31:25 xmj: if you have them.

15:31:50 nubbins`: pierre rochard buying up bitcoins w/ mortgage, car loan, student loans hanging over head

15:31:53 *: nubbins` groans louder

15:32:08 xmj: one exception is if you can do arbitrage gains -- loan against something and lend against someone with equivalent risk and still gain money.

15:32:14 *: xmj chuckles.

15:32:43 nubbins`: i suppose at the very least, bankruptcy would absolve you of your car loan and mortgage

15:32:48 nubbins`: (and your car and house)

15:32:48 mike_c: of course, you need credit default swaps for that arbitrage. and insurance on your credit default swap counterparty.

15:33:14 xmj: no why would you?

15:33:31 xmj: you don't need cds if they're of equivalent risk.

15:33:34 mike_c: "with equivalent risk"

15:33:36 xmj: that's speculation.

15:33:48 xmj: not arbitrage.

15:34:06 xmj: if they're of equivalent risk and differently priced that's due to market frictions.

15:34:17 mike_c: mhm. explain this magical scenario where you avoid counterparty risk.

15:34:34 xmj: you don't want to avoid it

15:35:08 xmj: you're a counterparty risk to the bank and someone else is a counterparty risk to you

15:35:12 xmj: the risks are equivalent

15:35:13 bitcoinpete: "Mr. Schneiderman, the state’s top law enforcer, contended that Barclays favored high-frequency traders over other investors in its dark pool, known as Barclays LX. He contended Barclays falsified marketing materials, inaccurately portraying the concentration of high-frequency traders in the market, and he said the bank misrepresented a service that purported to protect investors from predatory trading behavior."

15:35:36 mike_c: the risks aren't equivalent to *you*.

15:35:45 xmj: well

15:35:50 xmj: yes.

15:37:51 bitcoinpete: "On Thursday, Mark J. Mazur, the Treasury Department’s assistant secretary for tax policy, made the case that any new laws targeting inversions – transactions that allow American companies to reincorporate abroad – should be backdated to May 2014, potentially affecting a number of multibillion-dollar deals."

15:38:33 nubbins`: ;;bc,xau

15:38:35 gribble: 1 XAU = 1291.700000000000 USD = 2.15606743449 BTC

15:38:36 nubbins`: ;;bc,xag

15:38:37 gribble: 1 XAG = 20.680000000000 USD = 0.0345184443332 BTC

15:38:57 nubbins`: 30-day low for gld/slv

15:39:50 bitcoinpete: i'm out. ciao!

15:58:12 ThickAsThieves: "Just a USMS auction price discovery update: I contacted the USDOJ Office of General Counsel regarding my FOIA request submitted back on the 6th of July... and they stated I should see information in early August. They also stated they had a flood of requests for information on that auction."

16:00:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.81503056 BTC to 12`514 shares, 14504 satoshi per share

16:00:22 Pierre_Rochard: nubbins`: i suppose at the very least, bankruptcy would absolve you of your car loan and mortgage // is the assumption here that bitcoin price going to zero would make the borrower go bankrupt? Because that would be poor balance sheet management too.

16:01:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 24.16124788 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 2101 satoshi per share

16:01:24 nubbins`: the assumption that blowing your savings on a speculative investment when you have large pre-existing financial committments isn't a good idea

16:03:42 ThickAsThieves: it's at least risky

16:04:30 Pierre_Rochard: nubbins`: meh, very simplistic layperson’s view there. DSCR > 2 and LTV < 50% is prudent

16:04:39 ThickAsThieves: "good" seems to imply emotion or moral or somesuch

16:04:56 nubbins`: isn't a wise idea ;D

16:05:12 nubbins`: Pierre_Rochard sounds like you've got it all figured out

16:06:52 Pierre_Rochard: nubbins`: a 0% LTV is not a wise idea, nor is never taking an airplane to minimize risk of death

16:08:33 ThickAsThieves: not the best comparison

16:26:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1604 @ 0.00295969 = 4.7473 BTC [+] {5}

16:55:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.13232701 = 2.6465 BTC [-] {3}

17:05:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 33 @ 0.13230971 = 4.3662 BTC [-] {2}

17:12:30 mike_c: !up samO

17:13:59 mike_c: !up fats_cd03

17:14:06 fats_cd03: sankq

17:14:20 mike_c: like the new nick :)

17:14:28 fats_cd03: ikr

17:15:17 fats_cd03: Pierre_Rochard: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micromort

17:15:17 assbot: Micromort - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

17:15:40 asciilifeform: !s micromort

17:15:41 assbot: 11 results for 'micromort' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=micromort

17:15:44 fats_cd03: as long as you evaluate risk properly, everything's gravy.

17:16:02 fats_cd03: cool, i have the first mention

17:19:00 punkman: asciilifeform: finally read anathem, wasn't such a backbreaker. maybe the big scrolling html made it go down easier than having to turn 900 pages by hand

17:19:30 mircea_popescu: punkman this is a fact.

17:19:48 asciilifeform: punkman: that's more or less the only fictional world i'd not mind moving to.

17:20:09 punkman: now this is a backbreaker https://archive.org/details/CartesiamMeditations

17:20:11 assbot: Cartesiam Meditations : Free Download & Streaming : Internet Archive

17:20:54 fats_cd03: anyone know where i can find a pdf of the 67-77 BRK letters?

17:21:19 fats_cd03: a cursory search didn't reveal anything

17:21:24 punkman: Stephenson says Husserl's writings are the hardest stuff he's read

17:21:57 mike_c: you could spring for the $3 http://www.amazon.com/Berkshire-Hathaway-Letters-Shareholders-2012/dp/1595910778

17:21:58 assbot: Berkshire Hathaway Letters to Shareholders, 2012: Warren Buffett, Max Olson: 9781595910776: Amazon.com: Books

17:22:01 mircea_popescu: fats_cd03 http://www.berkshirehathaway.com/letters/1981.html

17:22:03 mircea_popescu: it's html

17:24:46 ThickAsThieves: Dell offering 10% off with bitcoin

17:24:53 fats_cd03: ofn

17:25:07 mircea_popescu: ;;ud ofn

17:25:08 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=OFN | 2. ofn. OFN means, "Old Fucking News" meaning, GET WITH THE FUCKING TIMES! "Hhahaha, did you see t his totally l33t flash?" "OFN Loser by like a year.".

17:25:08 ThickAsThieves: alienware only

17:25:13 ThickAsThieves: sry!

17:25:50 fats_cd03: alienware sells painted pigs if i've ever seen one

17:26:36 ThickAsThieves: never owned one but they sure are ugly

17:26:45 mircea_popescu: http://31.media.tumblr.com/6d1304770505e05593904d9e6f741c23/tumblr_mwwn7ngjHI1s2s899o2_500.jpg << also 10% off for btc.

17:27:31 ThickAsThieves: bitcoinpete.com down

17:27:53 fluffypony: http://isup.me/bitcoinpete.com

17:27:56 assbot: Down For Everyone Or Just Me -> Check if your website is down or up?

17:27:57 fluffypony: "It's just you. http://bitcoinpete.com is up."

17:28:07 ThickAsThieves: just hangs for me

17:28:10 ThickAsThieves: loads title tho

17:28:22 ThickAsThieves: needs more power!

17:28:49 ThickAsThieves: It's not just you! http://bitcoinpete.com looks down from here.

17:28:53 mircea_popescu: canada ran out of webhosting gerbils ?

17:29:06 ThickAsThieves: fluffyscammer

17:29:13 fats_cd03: robbed

17:29:29 fats_cd03: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfGMj10wOzg

17:29:29 assbot: Pharrell Williams - Come Get It Bae - YouTube

17:32:10 ThickAsThieves: !s coinsetter

17:32:11 assbot: 4 results for 'coinsetter' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=coinsetter

17:32:32 ThickAsThieves: http://www.marketwatch.com/story/nyc-bitcoin-exchange-coinsetter-launches-out-of-beta-with-institutional-and-consumer-trading-2014-07-24

17:32:32 assbot: NYC Bitcoin Exchange Coinsetter Launches Out of Beta WithInstitutional and Consumer Trading - MarketWatch

17:33:56 ThickAsThieves: "President Barack Obama plans to go on the offensive later Thursday against companies that use cross-border mergers to avoid U.S. taxes, accusing them of essentially renouncing their American citizenship to shield profits. "

17:34:13 ThickAsThieves: funny how that works

17:34:26 mike_c: ;;isitdown bitcoinpete.com

17:34:30 gribble: bitcoinpete.com is down

17:35:42 fluffypony: lol

17:35:45 fats_cd03: huhuhu

17:35:58 fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: it reported as up when I visited it, hate the game not the player

17:36:04 fluffypony: </so_80s>

17:56:13 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves "we made the country suck how dare you leave now" is how it works

17:57:17 fluffypony: don't worry guys

17:57:20 fluffypony: Amir has this

17:57:20 fluffypony: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2blmc0/circle_has_still_not_responded_to_peter_todd/

17:57:20 assbot: Circle has still not responded to Peter Todd about whether they are implementing censorship or surveillance technology : Bitcoin

17:57:54 mircea_popescu: what's circle again ?

17:58:07 mircea_popescu: o wait, one of the shits im selling short and nobody's buying

17:58:11 mircea_popescu: much like eth.

17:58:55 pankkake: why would anyone reply to peter todd?

17:59:17 fluffypony: "It's a shame because you make great points, but you express them in a manner that is all over the place bordering on incoherent. Not to mention, you unintentionally come off as a bully calling people fascists, etc, and criticizing people in such vitriolic ways just because their views don't match your own perfectly. To be honest, I agree with you, but I can't imagine you're doing anything but preaching to your own choir by expressing your

17:59:17 fluffypony: ideas in this manner. Try to just present the facts without all of the colorful nonsense."

17:59:22 fluffypony: great reply

17:59:31 mircea_popescu: pankkake i kinda like todd. or used to anyway

18:00:04 mircea_popescu: fluffypony sounds to me like someone just got told "you can't be mp, stop trying"

18:09:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20484 @ 0.00081804 = 16.7567 BTC [+] {2}

18:15:29 mircea_popescu: !up Mantrid

18:15:31 mircea_popescu: yes.

18:15:55 ThickAsThieves: “I promise you even before this speech is over I’ll be attacked as a hater or a bigot or someone who is anti-gay,” Rubio said. “This intolerance in the name of tolerance is hypocrisy. Support for the definition of marriage as one man and one woman is not anti-gay, it is pro-traditional marriage.”

18:16:07 ThickAsThieves: so meta

18:17:31 chetty: ThickAsThieves, being 'pro' anything is so last century

18:17:33 mircea_popescu: why;s the guy promise me shit other people'd do.

18:17:58 ThickAsThieves: because he paid to have people attack him beforehand

18:18:07 ThickAsThieves: do you even marketeer?

18:18:19 mircea_popescu: lmao that meta ?!

18:18:30 ThickAsThieves: lol

18:19:04 mircea_popescu: http://37.media.tumblr.com/88ce326ea4bb7609019855a67e9c0faa/tumblr_mnxrbwyqTY1s3mryno1_1280.jpg << is this a hs ?

18:19:19 ThickAsThieves: lol no

18:19:27 ThickAsThieves: it's stripper locker room

18:19:39 mircea_popescu: aok.

18:31:19 hanbot: dub looks for the unsee button / pigeons: yeah like i shouldnt already know better than to click one of mircea_popescu's links << "omg ew this is totally different than all the things going into other things i've seen today!"

18:33:18 chetty: http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Woman-in-Labor-Unable-to-Cross-Los-Angeles-Street-to-Hospital-Because-of-President-Obama-Motorcade-268427662.html?cid=sm_n_main_1_20140724_28403096

18:33:18 assbot: Woman in Labor Unable to Cross Street to Hospital Because of Obama Motorcade | NBC Southern California

18:35:08 mike_c: tmq often rants about gov't officials at even much lower levels with their ridiculous tax-payer funded security details fouling up things for everyone else with their special traffic treatment.

18:36:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12785 @ 0.00081907 = 10.4718 BTC [+] {2}

18:36:57 chetty: well you just can't let kids see the emperors new clothes

18:37:27 mircea_popescu: i don't get this whole "security detail" bullshit for politicians and bureaucrats.

18:37:34 mircea_popescu: if anyone can be bothered to shoot them, they should be able to

18:37:48 mircea_popescu: not like there's any sort of talent pool involved, or like they'd ever run out.

18:38:23 mircea_popescu: "omg ew this is totally different than all the things going into other things i've seen today!" << lol

18:38:50 mike_c: i lol'd at this yesterday. not that they are over-reacting: http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1876753.1406095852!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_970/front2-0723.jpg?enlarged

18:41:06 mircea_popescu: i dun get it.

18:41:37 mod6: is the domain mpex.co finished? I've updated the key in my script, just wondering if I should s/mpex.co/mpex.bz|mpex.ws/

18:42:09 mike_c: mod6: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-07-2014#766094

18:42:10 assbot: #bitcoin-assets log

18:42:14 mircea_popescu: mod6 ideally you should seed from proxybot. if not you can hardwire whichever active domain you like.

18:42:19 mircea_popescu: .co will be coming online later too

18:42:42 mod6: oh, ok. in that case, I'll probably just leave it as is. unless its like, weeks or something.

18:42:48 mod6: thakns mircea_popescu

18:42:51 mod6: & mike_c

18:42:52 gribble: Error: "mike_c" is not a valid command.

18:42:58 mike_c: what is proxybot?

18:43:15 mircea_popescu: $proxies

18:43:18 empyex: mircea_popescu: Proxies: mpex.ws mpex.bz mpex.coinbr.com MPEx-Status: 1158 milliseconds Current MPEx GPG-Key-ID: 02DD2D91

18:43:33 mod6: ok :]

18:44:50 jurov: mircea_popescu when will be the the other DERPs offered?

18:45:06 jurov: or you wait for someone to bid?

18:45:41 mircea_popescu: jurov soon (tm). but meanwhile anyone can bid, sure.

18:49:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 414 @ 0.00289024 = 1.1966 BTC [+] {2}

18:54:06 mircea_popescu: ;;seen moiety

18:54:06 gribble: moiety was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 10 hours, 15 minutes, and 30 seconds ago: <moiety> hi naphex, wb, hope you had a great holiday :]

18:58:55 mircea_popescu: ;;isitdown szabo.best.vwh.net

18:58:58 gribble: szabo.best.vwh.net is down

18:59:02 mircea_popescu: fuck.

19:05:49 adrrr_: mircea_popescu: why do you talk in the third person?

19:06:20 mircea_popescu: adrrr_ specifically ?

19:06:30 adrrr_: in general

19:06:35 mircea_popescu: but like where

19:06:46 adrrr_: like here

19:06:58 mircea_popescu: how do i talk in the 3rd person ?

19:07:18 adrrr_: How do you do? lol I don't know

19:07:28 adrrr_: just why

19:07:32 mircea_popescu: this is going well. can you point to such an instance ?

19:08:13 mike_c: mike_c thinks you aren't making any sense.

19:08:32 mircea_popescu: !s i

19:08:33 assbot: 75349 results for 'i' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=i

19:08:34 adrrr_: no. you have examples

19:08:42 mircea_popescu: i bet you a third are mIne.

19:09:14 mike_c: ;;ident adrrr_

19:09:15 gribble: CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'adrrr_', with hostmask 'adrrr_!~adrrr@ip-132.net-81-220-142.rev.numericable.fr', is identified as user 'adrrr', with GPG key id DDE46066D54B5198, key fingerprint 0F56A8FD02C59E657AB3C3DDDDE46066D54B5198, and bitcoin address None

19:09:31 adrrr_: you divert the issue

19:09:34 mike_c: another confused frenchman.

19:09:45 *: chetty like this adrrr_

19:09:46 adrrr_: lol just askin

19:09:56 mircea_popescu: I divert the issue ? what issue!

19:10:14 adrrr_: the query sorry

19:10:27 adrrr_: you don't answer to

19:10:47 mircea_popescu: well cause it ain't making any sense. why do you chew the scenery ?

19:10:51 *: jurov doesn't always talk in 3rd person. but when he does, he uses /me

19:11:12 *: chetty yeah jurov

19:11:25 *: mircea_popescu 's not been doing that recently.

19:11:40 mike_c: adrrr_: you are bringing up a sore subject. we try not to discuss his tendency to talk in 3rd person.

19:11:53 adrrr_: just wanted to know

19:11:53 adrrr_: ok

19:11:58 mircea_popescu: x.x

19:12:35 mircea_popescu: ;;google seinfeld "but i don't wanna be a pirate"

19:12:36 gribble: "Seinfeld" The Puffy Shirt (TV Episode 1993) - IMDb: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0697762/; Seinfeld Scripts - The Puffy Shirt: http://www.seinfeldscripts.com/ThePuffyShirt.htm; I don't wanna be a pirate - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjFjD11zOCM

19:25:50 chetty: http://rt.com/news/175272-iraq-genital-mutilation-militants/#.U9EBEnyM-UE.twitter

19:39:06 benkay: decimation: http-kit and enlive are what i use

19:42:33 benkay: <BingoBoingo> HANDSofSTEEL: If you really want to go long on ethereum, mircea_popescu wants to go short. I'd advise reading up on ethereum criticism before doing anything rash though. // it's magically also a bet that nothing'll be around in 9/12 mos.

19:44:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 15 @ 0.13499999 = 2.025 BTC [+] {2}

19:51:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 213 @ 0.0029 = 0.6177 BTC [+] {2}

19:52:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 787 @ 0.0029 = 2.2823 BTC [+]

19:55:48 mircea_popescu: !up mutate_

19:56:15 mutate_: Thank you.

19:56:27 mircea_popescu: yw

20:04:50 mutate_: I'm fairly keen on being in the queue for one of the first alien blowjobs, before the novelty wears off and they start marrying humans and making them unhappy. Unfortunately I can't by any magic Ether cards because maths and computers got you fairly badly bullied at school and so I simply use a computer to have my bank details stolen from and know nothing whatsoever about Linux. What can I do?

20:05:53 fluffypony: mutate_: easy, just get yourself taken up for some probing

20:06:15 mircea_popescu: mutate_ well, you could start working on crumbling that pile of impactions resulting from being bulied ? learn to linux ?

20:06:21 mircea_popescu: it's not nearly as hard as it seems.

20:07:39 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell midnightmagic i dun see a problem in principle either, but i was trying to examine this "salt is hard to mine" theory. anyway.

20:07:40 gribble: The operation succeeded.

20:12:50 jurov: what makes you think aliens will be good at bjs?

20:13:07 jurov: !up darlidada

20:14:18 mircea_popescu: jurov all those teeth man.

20:14:19 jurov: i guess someone preannounced they will sell for btc

20:14:25 penguirker: New blog post: http://fraudsters.com/2014/just-how-much-do-you-know-about-washing-diapers/

20:14:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8302 @ 0.00081605 = 6.7748 BTC [-]

20:16:04 mircea_popescu: ?UNDER capitalism?, ran the old Soviet-era joke, ?man exploits man. Under communism it is just the opposite.? In fact new research suggests that the Soviet system inspired not just sarcasm but cheating too: in East Germany, at least, communism appears to have inculcated moral laxity. << for the record, this is older than electricity.

20:16:26 mircea_popescu: "bolshevism is that jew-sponsored form of satanism that alters the moral fiber of good law abiding men making them beasts"

20:16:52 mircea_popescu: there's a whole discussion of the statement of these views as put forward by franco's republic a week or two ago in the logs.

20:23:34 mircea_popescu: Rassah: My tribe consists of Tsiolkovsky and Tozoni, so I've been surrounded by extremely intimidating levels of inteligence... < if that means konstantin, wasn't the guy dead before the war ?

20:25:20 mircea_popescu: Rassah: p.s. I'm not saying their etherium deal is a good one. I don't think investing in ether can in any way give a better return than investing in bitcoin... I don't think vitalik is much of a finance guy, either, so I'm not sure if this "ipo" ca be blamed on him << what the fuck sense does this make ? some guy that's not a finance guy involving himself in finance things is stupid by any conceivable definition of th

20:25:20 mircea_popescu: e term.

20:25:28 mircea_popescu: is also to blame, by any conceivable definition of blame.

20:25:42 fluffypony: ok HeySteve says his connection is fixed

20:25:45 fluffypony: and we can unban him

20:25:47 mircea_popescu: moreover, buterin in particular is very very guilty, because he knew what he should have done, and he's known it for a long fucking time.

20:25:51 mircea_popescu: a kk

20:28:33 mircea_popescu: as a rule of thumb, i would say it's a great idea that if one's using a bouncer, that one sets the bouncer up so if it fails three times in five minutes it stops trying and shoots the owner an email or something. join/part spam is definitely annoying in all channels, even if most won't do anything about it.

20:28:56 dub: !up mutate_

20:30:27 mutate_: Thanks dub.

20:31:46 rithm: by bouncer has some long retry delays and a list of every freenode server

20:31:57 mircea_popescu: !up HeySteve

20:32:01 rithm: raise the roof hobana

20:32:09 mircea_popescu: rithm that also works.

20:32:30 rithm: if my bouncer didn't work i'd quit bitcoin

20:32:34 HeySteve: hello

20:32:35 mircea_popescu: people can want to minimize delays if they're trying to log a chan, but here the logs are published anyway.

20:32:35 rithm: screw you guys, I'm out

20:32:40 mircea_popescu: and related, http://girls.twistys.com/preview/dailyupdates/2014/07/14/catieparker-justinejoli-31782/images/full/08.jpg

20:32:51 HeySteve: not using a bouncer, ADSL just gets dicey occasionally

20:33:01 rithm: use a bouncer

20:33:04 rithm: znc is fun

20:33:17 fluffypony: znc is the bomb diggety

20:33:17 rithm: i was like a decade-long psyBNC user

20:33:22 rithm: idk y in retrospect

20:33:31 HeySteve: if I forget to disconnect before I go to sleep it can get spammy

20:33:52 mircea_popescu: HeySteve you can prolly set your client not to auto-reconnect

20:33:55 dub: you are nearly always spammy

20:34:03 dub: invest in a shell

20:34:22 rithm: yeah my shell is prepaid up to like 2017

20:34:27 rithm: get with the times

20:34:51 HeySteve: ok disabled the auto-reconnect

20:34:59 mircea_popescu: should be fine then.

20:34:59 rithm: this is like 101 stuff like using BCC

20:35:17 rithm: or black boxes instead of blur filters to redact

20:36:24 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/epoch-are-idiots.jpg < this is how you redact, noob :D

20:37:23 rithm: plain white boxes would also redact just as well

20:37:27 rithm: nice pattern though

20:37:53 dub: lol

20:37:55 rithm: who signed up for porn?

20:38:30 jurov: no porn. just alien blowjobs are IPOing somewhere

20:39:09 kakobrekla: dun forget; http://blogs.dailyrecord.com/photojournalist/files/2009/01/swirl_1.jpg

20:39:17 rithm: epoch.com is definitely a porn cancellation

20:39:46 mircea_popescu: !s sexgangsters

20:39:47 assbot: 0 results for 'sexgangsters' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=sexgangsters

20:39:51 mircea_popescu: hm

20:39:54 mircea_popescu: da fuck it was called

20:39:56 mircea_popescu: !s gangsters

20:39:57 assbot: 24 results for 'gangsters' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=gangsters

20:40:09 rithm: it says sexgangsters.com

20:40:33 rithm: looks like a reocurring 34.99 if I've ever seen anything like that

20:40:35 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2014#758471 << there. some web game i played for five minutes

20:40:35 assbot: #bitcoin-assets log

20:40:40 mircea_popescu: and thus got like five bux.

20:40:48 HeySteve: heh I tried that sexgangsters thing, didn't seem very interactive tho

20:41:11 mircea_popescu: i suspect this is deliberate. if people wanted interactive they wouldn't do online porn, they'd get a gf.

20:41:32 mircea_popescu: http://girls.twistys.com/preview/dailyupdates/2014/07/14/catieparker-justinejoli-31782/images/full/16.jpg << interactive.

20:42:29 HeySteve: I learnt today of some guy in Romania making a Heroes of Might & Magic style browser game

20:42:39 HeySteve: the idea is you'll be able to play against people for Bitcoin

20:43:05 HeySteve: http://www.ancientbeast.com/ is the link but it's quite far from finished

20:43:06 assbot: AncientBeast - Turn Based Strategy Game

20:43:09 mircea_popescu: well there have been like 500 remakes, i recall playing a pretty good one back in 2007ish.

20:43:16 mircea_popescu: but still, great idea. who's he ? why's he not here ?

20:43:24 HeySteve: I will ask him to join

20:43:35 mircea_popescu: please do. homm2/3 were like... the best games ever made.

20:43:38 mircea_popescu: i still play em ffs.

20:44:22 mircea_popescu: !up DreadKnight

20:44:30 DreadKnight: bacon, ty fellow romanian

20:44:44 mircea_popescu: o hi there. so what's this game thing ?

20:44:47 HeySteve: hey DreadKnight

20:45:27 DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, open source game I'm doing, will eventually allow people to battle for bitcoin, a mix of Heroes of Might and Magic 3 and trading card games, lots of units, each with unique abilities

20:45:43 mircea_popescu: this is splendid. do you want to release under s.mg ?

20:46:14 DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, sorry, what's s.mg? not familiar with bitcoin-assets atm

20:46:26 mircea_popescu: http://mpex.ws/?mpsic=S.MG this thing.

20:46:26 assbot: S.MG last 2@0.00009100

20:46:39 mircea_popescu: basically, bitcoin electronic arts, let's say.

20:46:42 mircea_popescu: !up nagzter

20:46:54 nagzter: hey

20:46:58 mircea_popescu: ello

20:47:45 nagzter: HeySteve: mentioned this channel over in #ancientbeast and I wanted to check it out ;)

20:47:47 dub: dude, aspiring to be EA?

20:47:52 DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, is that a license type? trying to make sense of it :D

20:47:53 mircea_popescu: dub yes.

20:48:11 mircea_popescu: DreadKnight it could be, yes.

20:48:26 mircea_popescu: ;;topic

20:48:27 gribble: http://bitcoin-assets.com || http://log.bitcoin-assets.com || http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com || http://blogs.bitcoin-assets.com

20:48:34 mircea_popescu: nagzter ^ best way to check it out is the log.

20:48:43 dub: mircea_popescu: you'll want to aim higher than those fucktards

20:48:47 nagzter: I'm over on the site now ;)

20:48:54 mircea_popescu: dub in what sense higher ?

20:49:08 nagzter: I read the topics ;)

20:49:14 dub: less crack more utility

20:49:18 mircea_popescu: cool.

20:49:22 HeySteve: EA are quite hated, what they did to Dungeon Keeper was terrible

20:49:24 mircea_popescu: dub they're supposed to be games not utilities man.

20:49:34 mircea_popescu: HeySteve i did say BITCOIN ea didn't i.

20:49:44 mircea_popescu: like you know, bitcoin is the bitcoin dollar. doesn't mean anyone's printing it.

20:49:46 mircea_popescu: just the good parts.

20:50:16 mircea_popescu: HeySteve you don't mean dk2 do you ?

20:50:29 HeySteve: nope mircea_popescu, they released a DK mobile game

20:50:35 mircea_popescu: oh. that i never saw.

20:50:44 HeySteve: where to mine a block, you basically had to pay or wait a few hours / days

20:50:54 mircea_popescu: ew

20:51:24 mircea_popescu: DreadKnight anyway, get your gpg registered in the wot as a first step. we'll work something out.

20:53:33 DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, website doesn't provide any info about what this is exactly; I did one or more transactions on bitcoin-otc thingy a while ago if that helps

20:53:59 HeySteve: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-26033685

20:54:00 assbot: BBC News - EA faces criticism over mobile Dungeon Keeper game

20:54:12 pankkake: ;;gpg info DreadKnight

20:54:13 gribble: User 'DreadKnight', with keyid F6A23D326FDF1035, fingerprint 2011A2ADC029482B2C2A1E9EF6A23D326FDF1035, and bitcoin address None, registered on Sun Apr 7 14:39:11 2013, last authed on Sun Apr 7 12:39:11 2013. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=DreadKnight . Currently not authenticated.

20:54:38 DreadKnight: I'm pretty sure I have gpg key

20:55:02 DreadKnight: !gpg info

20:55:10 mircea_popescu: ;;ident DreadKnight

20:55:10 gribble: Nick 'DreadKnight', with hostmask 'DreadKnight!~DreadKnig@unaffiliated/dreadknight', is not identified.

20:55:38 mircea_popescu: well, do you still have key 2011A2ADC029482B2C2A1E9EF6A23D326FDF1035 ?

20:56:52 DreadKnight: checking folder

20:58:15 mircea_popescu: gpg --list-keys --fingreprint

20:58:46 DreadKnight: was looking for that

20:59:01 DreadKnight: gpg: Invalid option "--fingreprint"

20:59:27 mike_c: fingerprint, not fingreprint

20:59:33 mircea_popescu: ;/

20:59:53 DreadKnight: seems I have that key, yey, mircea_popescu

21:00:02 mircea_popescu: speaking of which, fun fact : notaries in argentina require you to put your thumbprint next to doc uments you sign

21:00:20 mircea_popescu: which is really ofputting, because in many cultures, such as my own, the thumbprint is the curse of the illiterate.

21:00:28 mircea_popescu: DreadKnight so then go ;;eauth DreadKnight

21:00:39 DreadKnight: ;;eauth DreadKnight

21:00:40 gribble: Request successful for user DreadKnight, hostmask DreadKnight!~DreadKnig@unaffiliated/dreadknight. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/F6A23D326FDF1035

21:00:49 mircea_popescu: curl http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/F6A23D326FDF1035|gpg

21:00:49 assbot: 404 Not Found

21:01:08 thestringpuller: gpg --decrypt

21:01:19 thestringpuller: ;;ident

21:01:19 gribble: Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net', is identified as user 'thestringpuller', with GPG key id 0FF2943DA179E169, key fingerprint 6ACE36E786F39A4ADC4506DE0FF2943DA179E169, and bitcoin address None

21:01:39 DreadKnight: that command did nothing

21:02:18 mircea_popescu: DreadKnight well then just get the pgp blob at the url, then run gpg and paste it in

21:03:50 mircea_popescu: !s conference

21:03:51 assbot: 491 results for 'conference' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=conference

21:04:00 mircea_popescu: Rassah: Any of you guys ever go to conferences? ^ a bunch of people went to all sorts of them.

21:05:26 DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, I'm a bit noobish; running gpg in a terminal... and it's like gpg: Go ahead and type your message ... then I paste F6A23D326FDF1035 in? xD

21:05:38 mircea_popescu: no. paste the blob you find at that url

21:05:43 mircea_popescu: http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/F6A23D326FDF1035

21:06:01 DreadKnight: oh, you wanted the public key

21:06:06 mircea_popescu: nope.

21:06:22 mircea_popescu: the login process is that you make a claim as to who you are, gribble encodes a string to that public key

21:06:33 mircea_popescu: to prove you actualy are that you decrypt and present the string

21:06:45 DreadKnight: I got the string, any preferred pastebin?

21:06:53 mircea_popescu: you go ;;everify string

21:07:15 DreadKnight: ;;everify string

21:07:16 gribble: Error: Incorrect one-time password. Try again.

21:07:21 assbot: Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/271VZ4C.txt )

21:07:21 mircea_popescu: !b 5

21:07:31 pankkake: and press the any key :)

21:07:32 asciilifeform: then press 'any key.'

21:07:35 asciilifeform: damn

21:07:59 DreadKnight: oh, I ignored gribble a while ago, was poking me daily on private

21:08:00 mircea_popescu: now try replacing "string" with you know, the actual string.

21:08:23 pankkake: that would explain your difficulties :D

21:08:27 mircea_popescu: lol

21:08:31 DreadKnight: yeah

21:08:47 mircea_popescu: you can keep it ignored really. the otp url never changes

21:08:48 DreadKnight: was thinking I'm not running those commands

21:09:04 DreadKnight: well, I'm not sure where to press any key :P

21:09:06 mircea_popescu: you don't actually need any input from it to do this. just flip its state twice.

21:09:17 mircea_popescu: DreadKnight what's that string then ?

21:09:30 DreadKnight: it's a few lines long

21:09:34 mircea_popescu: nah

21:09:37 asciilifeform: DreadKnight: it's on the back of your power supply block.

21:09:48 mircea_popescu: this is a typical session, looky :

21:09:49 mircea_popescu: <mircea_popescu> ;;eauth mircea_popescu

21:09:50 mircea_popescu: <gribble> Request successful for user mircea_popescu, hostmask mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/8A736F0E2FB7B452

21:09:51 mircea_popescu: <mircea_popescu> ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:b754a642b13565e0bfe87f3083717c62829912335e322188a0e32d01

21:09:51 mircea_popescu: <gribble> You are now authenticated for user mircea_popescu with key 8A736F0E2FB7B452

21:11:29 DreadKnight: ;;everify string

21:11:29 gribble: Error: Incorrect one-time password. Try again.

21:11:51 mircea_popescu: >.>

21:11:58 DreadKnight: ikr :D

21:12:12 DreadKnight: ;;eauth DreadKnight

21:12:13 gribble: Request successful for user DreadKnight, hostmask DreadKnight!~DreadKnig@unaffiliated/dreadknight. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/F6A23D326FDF1035

21:12:20 mircea_popescu: at this rate you'll have to write things on your tits a la indiancandy girl.

21:12:51 asciilifeform: ;;seen indiancandy

21:12:51 gribble: indiancandy was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 weeks, 5 days, 2 hours, 37 minutes, and 21 seconds ago: <indiancandy> find nickserver

21:13:12 pankkake: I don't know why I never noticed the URL did not change… could have saved me a step

21:13:25 pankkake: ;;seen indiancandy1

21:13:26 gribble: indiancandy1 was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 0 days, 5 hours, 30 minutes, and 58 seconds ago: <indiancandy1> 500*

21:13:53 BingoBoingo: !s indiancandy1

21:13:58 HeySteve: the URL never changes? lol

21:14:07 HeySteve: learn something new every day

21:14:32 jurov: yea, i only find and run from history: curl http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/ID | gpg -q --output - --decrypt

21:14:32 assbot: 404 Not Found

21:14:37 mircea_popescu: HeySteve the url is really your keyid

21:15:18 mircea_popescu: pankkake this is the benefit of halping noobs.

21:15:24 HeySteve: mircea_popescu that makes sense

21:15:24 mircea_popescu: one never knows who the noob really is :D

21:15:27 BingoBoingo: !up DreadKnight

21:15:54 DreadKnight: ;;eauth DreadKnight

21:15:55 gribble: Request successful for user DreadKnight, hostmask DreadKnight!~DreadKnig@unaffiliated/dreadknight. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/F6A23D326FDF1035

21:15:59 mircea_popescu: !up efefefrbrb

21:16:03 mircea_popescu: DreadKnight congrats.

21:16:13 mircea_popescu: !rate DreadKnight 1 HoMM fan!

21:16:20 mircea_popescu: ;;rate DreadKnight 1 HoMM fan!

21:16:21 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user DreadKnight has been recorded.

21:16:38 mircea_popescu: DreadKnight now you can self-voice. you identify with gribble (same process as you just completed) then pm assbot !up

21:16:45 DreadKnight: sorry it took me so long, did that stuff last time about 1 year ago perhaps xD ignoring gribble only added to the confusion

21:16:52 efefefrbrb: still amused by the whole Ethereum scam

21:17:04 mircea_popescu: efefefrbrb you need a better name

21:18:25 mircea_popescu: uh.

21:18:28 mircea_popescu: wait.

21:18:31 mircea_popescu: ;;ident DreadKnight

21:18:32 gribble: Nick 'DreadKnight', with hostmask 'DreadKnight!~DreadKnig@unaffiliated/dreadknight', is not identified.

21:18:40 mircea_popescu: omg you still ain't done it!

21:18:49 DreadKnight: strange

21:18:52 BingoBoingo: !up GodHatesFigs

21:18:57 DreadKnight: ;;eauth DreadKnight

21:18:58 gribble: Request successful for user DreadKnight, hostmask DreadKnight!~DreadKnig@unaffiliated/dreadknight. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/F6A23D326FDF1035

21:19:09 mircea_popescu: now decrypt it.

21:19:24 jurov: DreadKnight: if you're on linux or mac, just do the curl script i pasted

21:19:29 DreadKnight: oh

21:19:32 BingoBoingo: !up fats_cd03

21:19:40 jurov: it will ask your passphrase and spit out the decrypted message

21:20:09 DreadKnight: I might have got the passphrase wrong, tried a few times and didn't get a field anymore to write in

21:20:32 fats_cd03: dongs

21:20:41 jurov: what did gpg write to console?

21:20:44 mircea_popescu: fats_cd03 http://girls.twistys.com/preview/dailyupdates/2014/07/14/catieparker-justinejoli-31782/images/full/07.jpg

21:21:18 jurov: ^ that should have been interracial

21:22:11 fats_cd03: on ma mobile and t-nazis has my traffic filtered

21:22:20 fats_cd03: 'for the children'

21:22:56 BingoBoingo: %ob

21:23:01 atcbot: 30k@240 42k@239 37k@238 | 138k@210 45k@201 400k@199

21:23:06 mircea_popescu: jurov aww why. honky tonk galz can't lick each other out no mo ?

21:23:42 mircea_popescu: what's this bizarre hang-up with "actually knowing" people one met on skype and "kept in touch with" on facebook ?

21:24:42 mircea_popescu: it reads to me like alfred p. doolittle confronted with a restaurant after a lifetime of mcdonalds explaining how them hamburgers were at least nourishing.

21:24:50 mircea_popescu: why, he'd be shitting rocks after eating one of them!

21:25:23 DreadKnight: hmm brb

21:26:12 mircea_popescu: pankkake: /r/buttcoin can't deal with bitcoin opinions that are not the standard /r/bitcoin crap; they expect to fill their bingo cards and it doesn't work << quite.

21:26:34 mircea_popescu: this is just about how one identifies libertards in the field. they do this paint-by-numbers thing like the soviets of yore.

21:28:32 GodHatesFigs: at least r/buttcoin is mildy amusing

21:29:09 mircea_popescu: gets repetitive quickly, btu sure, for a few minutes

21:30:52 GodHatesFigs: r/bitcoin - where economic illiteracy meets teenage investment plans

21:31:34 GodHatesFigs: let's all pester this merchant into accepting bitcoin!

21:31:46 mircea_popescu: re http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2bh2sr/mtgox_creditor_meeting_handout/cj5e9ue << of course, mp said mtgox is syphoning customer funds, a while back.

21:31:46 assbot: trixisowned comments on mtgox creditor meeting handout

21:31:46 fluffypony: GodHatesFigs: in parlance it's /r/<subreddit> - if you drop the leading forward-slash it's hard to catch programatically

21:32:23 mircea_popescu: !s "r/"

21:32:24 assbot: 1109 results for '"r/"' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=%22r%2F%22

21:32:52 fluffypony: !s "/r/"

21:32:52 assbot: 1109 results for '"/r/"' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=%22%2Fr%2F%22

21:32:55 mircea_popescu: fluffypony seems reasonably on-target no ?

21:33:10 mircea_popescu: GodHatesFigs you bring good points.

21:33:12 fluffypony: seems like you're including /r/ results :-P

21:33:16 fluffypony: !s " r/"

21:33:17 assbot: 1109 results for '" r/"' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=%22+r%2F%22

21:33:21 *: fluffypony gives up

21:33:32 *: mircea_popescu does victory dance

21:33:42 mircea_popescu: (protip : it's dropping the / token anyway)

21:34:03 fluffypony: werd

21:35:39 mthreat: !s reddit r

21:35:40 assbot: 52 results for 'reddit r' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=reddit+r

21:36:08 mircea_popescu: trixisowned: when in reality they just added their address to the list of miners, and take a percentage of each block as if they were actually hashing << this is pretty major, actually.

21:36:14 mircea_popescu: proofs ?

21:36:24 trixisowned: mircea_popescu, thats the whole thing

21:36:27 trixisowned: he refuses

21:36:29 trixisowned: to release code

21:36:32 trixisowned: for CBBSRB

21:36:34 trixisowned: and has done so

21:36:41 trixisowned: since the day he implemented

21:37:05 mircea_popescu: hm.

21:37:11 trixisowned: and he calls everyone a troll

21:37:14 trixisowned: that points that out

21:37:23 trixisowned: and says "I DONT EVEN HAVE ANY PART IN ELIGIUS ANYMORE"

21:37:25 trixisowned: lol.

21:37:25 mircea_popescu: fluffypony: he's punting Etherium? << he's new, and behind on teh reads.

21:37:34 pankkake: https://i.imgur.com/3Nk9eKC.png

21:37:37 trixisowned: which is a complete untruth

21:38:16 fluffypony: pankkake: you've been buying Magic the Gathering cards again?

21:38:21 mircea_popescu: pankkake lol win.

21:39:29 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: <+BingoBoingo> HANDSofSTEEL: If you want to take both sides, BitBet is probably the best tool for that --- good point, need ETH BitBet, that's how we can all short the mofo << well obviously not all.

21:39:48 mircea_popescu: the problem here is that the past few days have kinda clearly shown the complete lack of any counterparty. you can't trade without cp.

21:40:34 BingoBoingo: Ah the few people who considered wanting the Ether didn't want it when they heard about the hangover when you come to

21:40:50 mircea_popescu: i got drunk on champagne, there's no hangover for that.

21:42:28 ThickAsThieves: really champagne is worst hangover for me

21:42:40 mircea_popescu: http://zakireza.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/running-of-the-bulls-05.jpg << that's what the dreams of er people look like.

21:42:42 ThickAsThieves: i wont even drink a whole glass usually

21:42:49 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves you're prolly thinking us fakefizzy.

21:42:56 ThickAsThieves: probly

21:43:05 mircea_popescu: anyway, we put away i dont recall, 2, 3 bottles ?

21:43:07 mircea_popescu: something

21:43:35 BingoBoingo: I've never had a problem with champagne, now "champagne" as in the generic bubbly stuff from places that shouldn't be attempting such a thing...

21:43:48 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves wait, you had the romanian stuff. ever drunk it or just gifted it away ?

21:43:52 ThickAsThieves: i think i told you but the bottle from Ro made it safely home and into my belly at some point

21:43:59 mircea_popescu: ah yes. so headache ?

21:43:59 fluffypony: http://i.imgur.com/aAZjQ4v.jpg

21:44:00 ThickAsThieves: i dont recall a hangover

21:44:05 mircea_popescu: right. point settled.

21:44:11 jurov: ThickAsThieves for quality hangovers look for "warning: contains sulphur"

21:44:23 ThickAsThieves: like wine sulphites?

21:44:40 jurov: yes, whatever they use to treat it

21:44:56 mircea_popescu: yeah, bisulphites can be a good cause. all sorts of crap they put in wine, sparkling or not, can be it.

21:45:07 mircea_popescu: sugar especially, which is why you want to drink brut or very dry

21:45:17 ThickAsThieves: i prefer dry

21:45:26 ThickAsThieves: in all food really

21:45:33 ThickAsThieves: most

21:45:35 ThickAsThieves: hehe

21:45:53 ThickAsThieves: that coinbase cancellation is so wtf

21:46:34 ThickAsThieves: i wonder if checking accounts get cancelled like that too

21:46:35 mircea_popescu: no, it's how the aml crap works. world's noobliest bayesian filtering implemented by janitors and congressional aides.

21:46:43 pigeons: coinbase cancellation?

21:46:49 mircea_popescu: iitl pi07r

21:46:53 mircea_popescu: oops i mean pigeons

21:46:57 ThickAsThieves: <+pankkake> https://i.imgur.com/3Nk9eKC.png

21:46:58 fluffypony: pigeons: you should click on more links

21:47:06 mike_c: the world wide web is a pile of undocumented bullshit.

21:47:13 mircea_popescu: yeah. here's one : http://girls.twistys.com/preview/dailyupdates/2014/07/14/catieparker-justinejoli-31782/images/full/15.jpg

21:47:14 pigeons: not after that one from mircea_popescu yesterday

21:47:29 mircea_popescu: pigeons you're against social justice ?

21:47:38 pigeons: no i just dont want to look at it

21:47:43 mircea_popescu: ahh win.

21:47:46 mircea_popescu: !up cyranodeB

21:48:16 pankkake: I've had a fiat transactions cancelled for less - but that payment processor was trash for almost everything so

21:48:23 BingoBoingo: cyranodeB: How's the nose?

21:48:31 pigeons: coinbase cancellation as in mircea_popescu cancelled his DERP? or coinbase cancellation as in the same old thing where they cancel people's order cause coinbase

21:48:32 cyranodeB: hi everybody...

21:48:54 cyranodeB: thanks BingoBoingo.... how is showering? i can smell you from here! (smile)

21:49:04 pigeons: by the way, literally and seriously much btter and more useful than ethereum: http://www.dogeparty.io/

21:49:04 assbot: Dogeparty

21:49:09 mircea_popescu: wait... bb had a GIRLFRIEND ?

21:49:21 mircea_popescu: !up GodHatesFigs

21:49:39 BingoBoingo: cyranodeB: Well, I just got back from cutting some lawns so smelling pretty ripe

21:50:43 mircea_popescu: BigBitz: Bitcoin markets don't revolve around news. <<< bitcoin is here to make the news, not to follow the news.

21:50:57 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu> wait... bb had a GIRLFRIEND ? << I don't think I've had any that would be in Lithuania atm

21:51:19 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo but then again you drink, so how'd you know.

21:51:35 BingoBoingo: That I guess is a good question.

21:53:27 cyranodeB: sorry if i annoy anyone with a repeated question.. but does anybody have an idea why bitcoin is crashing???

21:53:49 BingoBoingo: cyranodeB: China Drama

21:53:55 BingoBoingo: Happens from time to time

21:53:57 mircea_popescu: ;;ticker

21:53:58 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 602.5, Best ask: 604.0, Bid-ask spread: 1.50000, Last trade: 602.32, 24 hour volume: 10201.68824563, 24 hour low: 591.12, 24 hour high: 622.67, 24 hour vwap: 606.291211732

21:54:04 mircea_popescu: what crashing is that lol.

21:55:50 mircea_popescu: pankkake: natalie portman is a jew? I always knew something was off with her << only on the mother's side.

21:56:02 cyranodeB: china?? what happend in china???

21:56:26 cyranodeB: ;;ticker --low

21:56:27 gribble: 591.12

21:57:27 BingoBoingo: cyranodeB: Just the usual "Banned Bitcoin" again or some shit

21:58:15 mircea_popescu: pankkake: why would all scammers be dumb? << it's a self-selecting activity. smart people find better things to do.

21:59:22 cyranodeB: where do you have that information from BingoBoino?

21:59:25 mircea_popescu: pigeons: vitalik sells lots of snake oil besides etherum: emulated quantum computer that runs faster than its von neuman host; proof of stake; "trustless" distributed fiat (schellingcoin); << he's like andreas v2.0 then ?

22:00:06 BingoBoingo: cyranodeB: Just read someone derping about it a few hours ago. Don't care enough to look into it because this shit just happens.

22:00:48 cyranodeB: anyone else here who has an idea whats happening?

22:00:58 mircea_popescu: pigeons: wow really they are already trying to damage control the 1% of the press they get that isn't positive? and from a bitcoinpete (no offense lol) blog post? << the 1% happens to be what matters in this field.

22:01:11 mircea_popescu: mkay i guess that's good enough

22:01:13 mircea_popescu: !down cyranodeB

22:03:59 mircea_popescu: %d

22:04:01 atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 687182.56 Est. Next Diff: 644367.37 in 1216 blocks (#42336) Est. % Change: -6.23

22:04:10 BingoBoingo: lulz http://coinfire.cf/2014/07/24/massive-ddos-coin-fire-underway/

22:04:11 assbot: Massive DDOS Against Coin Fire Underway - Coin Fire

22:04:17 BingoBoingo: %ob

22:04:18 atcbot: 30k@240 42k@239 37k@238 | 138k@210 45k@201 400k@199

22:05:09 mircea_popescu: "A few nights ago an attacker sent a message via our contact form demanding we send .5 BTC to protect ourselves from a DDOS attack."

22:05:19 mircea_popescu: wait, this wouldn't be the same guy i was lulzing at last month ?

22:05:55 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-06-2014#724879 specifically

22:05:56 assbot: #bitcoin-assets log

22:06:51 mircea_popescu: "The attack vector is using Facebook notes to flood our site using a known exploit on Facebook and we?ve reached out to friends at Facebook?s Cyber Security team who have determined the IP address of the original person hitting the attack vector and are working with law enforcement actively to track this user down."

22:07:17 mircea_popescu: so much lol in there.

22:07:56 BingoBoingo: No idea, but Facebook seems like an appalingly stupid sort of tool for this kind of derp

22:09:17 mircea_popescu: the guy doesn't have enough sense to USE FUCKING LINKS because he's not yet caught up with the web, byt anyway, here is the stuff he should have provided : http://chr13.com/2014/04/20/using-facebook-notes-to-ddos-any-website/

22:09:19 assbot: Using Facebook Notes to DDoS any website | A Programmer's Blog

22:09:36 mircea_popescu: it's stupid-easy to protect from : a) ban facebook. b) don't allow ambiguous reference to expensive resources.

22:09:54 dignork: BingoBoingo: there was an article, about facebook aggresively crawling site which you post a link to, it can be used to ddos

22:10:02 mircea_popescu: dignork see above >D

22:10:16 mircea_popescu: it's emphatically not a ddos. it's a dos.

22:10:26 dignork: oh, write, don't read

22:10:32 mircea_popescu: fuckwits on the internet tho, just use words like their mommy made them

22:15:09 mircea_popescu: im surprised no one's made endometrium coin yet btw.

22:16:58 mircea_popescu: mike_c: i'm probably the only idiot in here, but in case there is one other: "3 indicates a "pay-to-script-hash" address that contains a hash (one way fingerprint) of a script that can be used for multiple things including address obfuscation and multi-signature requirements." << tl;dr : 3addresses are an unnecessary and crufty thing some idiots pretend they've added to bitcoin.

22:21:05 mircea_popescu: Misconceptions (on the bitcoin.it wiki) : Addresses are not wallets nor accounts, and do not carry balances. They only receive funds, and you do not send "from" an address at any time.

22:21:28 mircea_popescu: how the fuck do you send bitcoin, pray tell, if not by signing with the private key associated with a public key that's an address that has a balance ?

22:21:31 dignork: pigeons, I looked at dogeparty, it's a fork of counterparty, minus double-spending protection provided by btc network

22:22:30 mircea_popescu: o look : https://en.bitcoin.it/w/index.php?title=Address&action=historysubmit&diff=49101&oldid=46223 lukejr edited that page to a) replace the cannonical example with the bullshit 3thing,

22:22:31 assbot: Difference between revisions of "Address" - Bitcoin

22:23:01 DreadKnight: bacon

22:23:05 mircea_popescu: took out the private key discussion entirely,

22:23:08 HeySteve: huzzah

22:23:13 DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, ok, I think I managed

22:23:24 mircea_popescu: added the entire misconceptions thing...

22:23:33 mircea_popescu: Luke-Jr why are you so scummy ?

22:23:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 312 @ 0.0040532 = 1.2646 BTC [-] {5}

22:23:39 mircea_popescu: ;;ident DreadKnight

22:23:39 gribble: Nick 'DreadKnight', with hostmask 'DreadKnight!~DreadKnig@unaffiliated/dreadknight', is identified as user 'DreadKnight', with GPG key id F6A23D326FDF1035, key fingerprint 2011A2ADC029482B2C2A1E9EF6A23D326FDF1035, and bitcoin address None

22:23:46 mircea_popescu: ;;rated Luke-Jr

22:23:46 gribble: You rated user Luke-Jr on Mon Apr 29 11:03:34 2013, with a rating of -1, and supplied these additional notes: Most recently, lied about BFL delivery (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=165500.0;all). Old history of being untrustworthy..

22:24:20 mircea_popescu: ;;rate Luke-Jr -10 VERY old history of being untrustworthy. See http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-07-2014#767750 or inquire within

22:24:20 assbot: #bitcoin-assets log

22:24:21 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user Luke-Jr has changed from -1 to -10.

22:24:35 mircea_popescu: DreadKnight indeed you have.

22:26:20 DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, alright, what's next?

22:26:49 mircea_popescu: DreadKnight next is, well, tell me a little about what you're planning with this game, how's it going etc.

22:32:19 BingoBoingo: %d

22:32:22 atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 687182.56 Est. Next Diff: 644316.03 in 1213 blocks (#42336) Est. % Change: -6.24

22:32:33 BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats

22:32:36 gribble: Current Blocks: 312318 | Current Difficulty: 1.733631697850783E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 312479 | Next Difficulty In: 161 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 2 hours, 27 minutes, and 56 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 18652322160.5 | Estimated Percent Change: 7.59103

22:33:01 DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, Alright :-) making free open source game project, turn based strategy game playable from the browser; it's kinda like the reverse of Super Smash Bros Brawl, as it features a lot of original characters that will be featured in a lot of other games; the project is inspired by Heroes of Might and Magic 3's combat system, but improved, combined with Trading Card Games; it's fun, easy to get into, but it's hard to maste

22:33:01 DreadKnight: r, one of those ever green games basically; it leaves nothing up to chance and randomness, yet no two games will be the same; it can be played 1vs1 or 2vs2 on pretty much any device with pretty much any input method; so want to make "the chess of the future", a way for people to battle for fun or digital currency, very accessible, playable even without account or paying anything; I'm a bit stuck on the coding part atm, the current

22:33:03 DreadKnight: prototype was funded thanks to a few bitcoins I sold at a decent enough time so that I could afford paying a part time coder for a few months, but now I'm broke and I'm not a very good coder; so I could use some support to get things going

22:33:32 mircea_popescu: it leaves nothing up to chance and randomnes << this is a problem.

22:34:21 DreadKnight: in chess you don't have randomness; the random part is that unlike chess, you pick your units (tools) as you go by, so from hundreds of units, you'll only put like 5 or so into play in a match

22:35:02 DreadKnight: so you'll always want to counter your enemy units with ones that you think are best for the job

22:35:16 mircea_popescu: DreadKnight if there's no randomness involved people won't be likely to play for btc.

22:35:30 mircea_popescu: there's a reason poker championships give out multi milion prizes

22:35:41 mircea_popescu: while chess championships give away 500 bux

22:36:28 DreadKnight: in chess you get basically an infinite of possibilities, no two games are the same; and Ancient Beast is way more complex than chess, but looks less boring

22:36:43 mircea_popescu: but the results are deterministic.

22:36:49 DreadKnight: I'm not looking to make yet another poker or dice game, there are plenty of btc online casinos

22:37:04 mircea_popescu: poker is not dice. stick to my example no ?

22:37:04 BingoBoingo: Yeah a game without randomness leads to high level play being dominated by dickstabbers, people who instead of playing in an enjoyable way will pull out their dick knives and stab their dick for an 0.01% advantage.

22:37:06 DreadKnight: I'm making something that's all about skill, not luck

22:37:19 kakobrekla: no random? get ready for botraep.

22:37:22 mircea_popescu: well that's nice, i guess.

22:38:11 DreadKnight: even if you pick only the units with best stats, they can be countered, so there's no point in exploiting the game; your opponent will most likely be able to make the same units, so no point in that

22:38:18 BingoBoingo: !s blockchain chess

22:38:18 assbot: 3 results for 'blockchain chess' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=blockchain+chess

22:39:43 mircea_popescu: this log is fucking epic. guy that's got himself blacklisted by derping at me can't spell funding and is looking for $500.

22:39:45 DreadKnight: a lot of people play moba (dota/dota2/league of legends/heroes of newerth/etc), played moba for about years and pretty much avoided all the issues that type of game has when it comes to Ancient Beast itself

22:40:03 mircea_popescu: the sad irony of all this being that we've been actually looking for a competent sysadmin to run stuff for years.

22:40:41 mircea_popescu: DreadKnight looky here : in business, one's always selling something. games are business. as such, they can either sell content or risk.

22:40:54 mircea_popescu: to make money selling content you need huge economies of scale, because content is so expensive to make.

22:41:03 mircea_popescu: this is why wow was a gold mine and rift spent 10mn for ~3mn in returns

22:41:07 DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, even if it's free open source, there are business strategies to it

22:41:10 mircea_popescu: rift is a very nice game, too, but that dun matter.

22:41:26 mircea_popescu: so now, you'll have to sell risk whether you want to or not. learn to live with it.

22:41:40 DreadKnight: I agree, that's planned

22:41:49 mircea_popescu: you just said it wasn't above

22:41:57 DreadKnight: I talked about the vanilla game

22:42:17 DreadKnight: which everybody has access to, but which won't be have a ladder / prized / money involved at all

22:42:31 DreadKnight: prizes*

22:42:41 mircea_popescu: go on ?

22:42:48 Luke-Jr: mircea_popescu: troll

22:42:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 526 @ 0.00283717 = 1.4924 BTC [-] {4}

22:42:58 kakobrekla: Luke-Jr child rapist.

22:43:08 Luke-Jr: kakobrekla: liar

22:43:18 kakobrekla: Luke-Jr banana

22:43:53 Luke-Jr: [22:23:06] <mircea_popescu> took out the private key discussion entirely, <-- because it has nothing to do with addresses

22:44:01 Luke-Jr: [22:23:26] <mircea_popescu> added the entire misconceptions thing… <-- because it is needed

22:44:22 mircea_popescu: private keys have nothing to do with the public keys they're paired with ?

22:44:44 Luke-Jr: addresses aren't public keys

22:45:04 mircea_popescu: in what sense.

22:45:27 mircea_popescu: can i calculate the bitcoin address that'd correspond to any arbitrary private address i choose ?

22:45:39 Luke-Jr: *version 1 addresses* are *implemented* using ECDSA keypairs inside wallets; but that's a technical detail, and there is a separate page for technical details

22:46:01 Luke-Jr: the Address page is intended to be for end-users

22:46:05 mircea_popescu: eh spare me the derpage. you and the rest of the usg plants are trying to push forward a certain political aggenda.

22:46:13 Luke-Jr: USG?

22:46:15 mircea_popescu: it won't work if i have to kill you all, and i won't have to kil you all.

22:46:45 assbot: Last 6 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1AP9QXR.txt )

22:46:45 BingoBoingo: !b 6

22:47:00 *: Luke-Jr wonders wtf he is being accused of now

22:47:32 mircea_popescu: you're not being accused. you've just been convicted. that's all.

22:48:49 DreadKnight: there will be a mode for subscribers that will have a monthly ladder, top players receiving prizes; each match and victory will be logged; in this mode, your units will die and you'll have to purchase card packs with random units inside, so you won't have access to every single unit in the game unless you pay, also each victory will take a toll, as you'll have casualties most likely; you'll also be able to feed your units to impro

22:48:49 DreadKnight: ve certain stats for limited amounts of time, food will be rather cheap, but it can make the difference between life and death, victory and loss; besides, there will be tournaments, playing for digital currency (where a % will be taken as fee); each month the ladder will start fresh, winners from previous month being added to a hall of fame; there will also be merchandise in the shop (tshirts, miniatures, plushies, and so on), mos

22:48:50 DreadKnight: t of the Ancient Beast units will become popular thanks to their license / attribution and usage, so it's all like a virus, to spread as much as possible

22:49:06 mircea_popescu: DreadKnight ok, now you're talking

22:49:24 mircea_popescu: so what's your role in all this ? you draw the artwork ? you code the game ?

22:50:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 798 @ 0.00280034 = 2.2347 BTC [-] {8}

22:50:47 DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, I'm a jack of all trades, designed the project, I manage the thing, make abilities, made the website, look for contributors, code, sketch, test it with fans, whatever it needs to be done; I'm working with quite a bit of people, constantly looking for fresh blood, that's the beauty of being open source

22:51:22 mircea_popescu: so like a pm basically, mostly covering for game design

22:51:24 DreadKnight: I'm proficient with organic low poly modeling though, but that will be noticeable a bit later, when animations will get in the game, sample www.AncientBeast.com/viewer

22:52:32 DreadKnight: getting weekly emails from people to allow them to use artwork / assets in their games and I'm pretty much underground atm

22:52:59 mircea_popescu: ok, so what do you need from your publisher ?

22:53:51 DreadKnight: I don't really need a publisher, need a bit of funding / sponsorship to speed things up and get some help with coding

22:54:11 mircea_popescu: that seems self-contradictory.

22:54:50 DreadKnight: indie game devs don't usually go for publishers; they rather make crowd funding campaigns to avoid strings attached

22:54:59 DreadKnight: will get to that as well soon

22:55:23 *: asciilifeform was at bazaar, buying food, missed all the good derp

22:55:29 asciilifeform: somebody's playing blockchain chess now?

22:55:43 mircea_popescu: DreadKnight mkay, i guess if that's how you swing.

22:55:54 asciilifeform: am i doomed to see every gedankenexperiment brought into flesh ?

22:56:38 DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, back in the day the only method were printing cd's and selling them in shops, so yeah, publisher was needed; now it's internet era, digital downloads, websites, app stores

22:56:40 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes. this is the point of flesh, to make thoughts painful.

22:56:45 asciilifeform: lol

22:56:49 mircea_popescu: DreadKnight im not sure you take my meaning.

22:57:14 asciilifeform: 'we shall learn to get by with a minimum of thinking - because thinking is painful.' - a maths prof of mine

22:57:40 mircea_popescu: Pierre_Rochard: kakobrekla: so everyone should pay off their mortgage / student loans / credit cards / car loans before buying bitcoins? Seems a little extreme and just poor balance sheet management imho <<< i can see it. bitcoin is still not for the poor.

22:58:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20400 @ 0.00081672 = 16.6611 BTC [+] {2}

22:58:24 asciilifeform: which currency, if any, is 'for' the poor ?

22:58:42 mircea_popescu: labor.

22:58:43 mod6: tide

22:58:57 asciilifeform: or is this more of an 'air is not for the drowning' observation.

22:59:02 mircea_popescu: the two are amusingly related : work -> schweddyballs -> tide.

22:59:12 asciilifeform: ;;ud schweddyballs

22:59:13 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Schweddy+Balls | The most infamous Delicious Dish episode featured Alec Baldwin as the chef Pete Schweddy, who came to the show to showcase his "Schweddy Balls," an...

22:59:27 DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, the game is playable from the website, SaaS business model (software as a service), so what was your meaning?

22:59:33 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform just an alternate spelling of sweaty balls, that also happens to be an edible product.

22:59:39 asciilifeform: aha

23:00:27 Pierre_Rochard: mircea_popescu: ah, well I’ll myself out then

23:00:31 mircea_popescu: DreadKnight you're thinking publisher in the sense of the world of atari, making hardware cartridges.

23:00:46 BingoBoingo: http://www.gomerblog.com/2013/07/newly-diagnosed-one-handed-man-totally-worth-it/

23:00:47 assbot: Newly Diagnosed One-Handed Man: Totally Worth it | Medical Satire - GomerBlog

23:00:51 mircea_popescu: lol is he trolling me ?!

23:01:21 asciilifeform: http://www.gomerblog.com/2013/06/patient-literally-sweats-his-balls-off

23:01:22 assbot: Patient Literally Sweats His Balls Off | Medical Satire - GomerBlog

23:01:33 mircea_popescu: DreadKnight im thinking more in the sense of the larger entity you get backstopped against.

23:01:37 DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, there are several ways of spreading a webgame as well, "web publishers" like facebook, fgl.com, gamejolt.com and many more - the game is easy to embed anywhere actually

23:02:04 mircea_popescu: i suppose i should say "sponsor" in your terminology.

23:02:18 DreadKnight: :-)

23:02:47 DreadKnight: or even investors, as long as the strings aren't forever

23:03:16 BingoBoingo: http://www.gomerblog.com/2014/07/firework/

23:03:16 assbot: Local ER Refuses to Take Care of Firework Injuries this July 4th | Medical Satire - GomerBlog

23:03:20 mircea_popescu: DreadKnight why not ?

23:04:01 DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, wondering, I'm from Constanta, what about you? (most likely Bucharest)

23:04:03 BingoBoingo: ?We need Darwinism to sneak back into our society. We [medical community] have propped up too many people that shouldn?t be alive today which has allowed the creation of ?super idiots? that the world has never seen before. Seriously, has anybody seen the movie Idiocracy..we are starting to live it.?

23:04:13 mircea_popescu: DreadKnight i lived for a while in timisoara, cluj before that.

23:04:25 mircea_popescu: ;;google fraudsters learn that variety speak

23:04:26 gribble: You're gonna have to learn that variety speak pe fraudsters - Un blog ...: http://fraudsters.com/2013/youre-gonna-have-to-learn-that-variety-speak/; #bitcoin-assets +m pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: http://fraudsters.com/2014/bitcoin-assets-m/; Pro idiotas, which obviously means, people who have ... - fraudsters: http://fraudsters.com/2014/pro-idiotas-which-obviously-means- (1 more message)

23:04:36 mircea_popescu: DreadKnight there, first url, that's my blog.

23:04:45 mircea_popescu: (unlike the other two lel)

23:09:38 BingoBoingo: !mpif

23:09:39 assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021699 B (Total: 474.50 B). Delta: -0.78 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00023849 BTC [+]

23:12:59 DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, got a bit caught up reading that blog post, though it's related to current situation a bit, about using the proper terms :D

23:13:11 mircea_popescu: :p

23:14:46 mircea_popescu: AndrewJackson best part string ever dood.

23:16:22 DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, you're not in Romania anymore? A bit confused

23:16:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 190 @ 0.00289999 = 0.551 BTC [+]

23:16:31 mircea_popescu: im in buenos aires.

23:16:37 DreadKnight: oh

23:17:03 DreadKnight: A lot of people leave this country, including my best friends...

23:28:05 DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, so the assets part is kinda like in stock market, not "art assets"?

23:28:19 mircea_popescu: not kinda. this is the core of bitcoin.

23:28:57 DreadKnight: just making sure, was really confused at first, because we were talking art assets in the project channel

23:29:19 mircea_popescu: ah

23:29:46 DreadKnight: well, current prototype so far was funded with bitcoins, hopefully it will continue that way

23:30:12 mircea_popescu: funded, how ? like donations ?

23:30:47 DreadKnight: yeah, donations, it wasn't worth much but I held on to those coins and sold when it started to get fatty

23:31:25 DreadKnight: I use every single dollar efficiently and know to bargain

23:31:30 mircea_popescu: mkay. well, can you turn all this into a business plan ?

23:32:00 DreadKnight: there was no point to it if there was no business plan

23:33:07 DreadKnight: as in, I can't spend tremendous amounts of time working on it along with other people if it wouldn't sustain itself, not to mention me eventually

23:33:52 mircea_popescu: shoot.

23:34:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17167 @ 0.0008156 = 14.0014 BTC [-] {2}

23:34:50 DreadKnight: quite a few seen "Video Games the movie" and asked "what about open source?", well, open source game dev is not even on the map for proper reasons, but I want to show it's possible

23:36:25 mircea_popescu: huh ?

23:37:32 DreadKnight: like I said for the business model, subscription granting access to more game modes, digital merchandise (card packs / lifes , food / boosters, skins), physical merchandise and fees from betting currency (as spectator or player)

23:37:44 DreadKnight: referred to this movie http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3214002/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1

23:37:44 assbot: Video Games: The Movie (2014) - IMDb

23:38:20 ThickAsThieves: !s Video Games The Movie

23:38:21 assbot: 0 results for 'Video Games The Movie' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=Video+Games+The+Movie

23:38:52 ThickAsThieves: it's been discussed i think

23:38:58 HeySteve: I saw that, needed more PC master race

23:39:36 HeySteve: the intro with Queen song was pretty rad tho

23:39:47 mircea_popescu: DreadKnight ok, let me put it this way : so far you're making it impossible to be helped. now, lots of people circle this chan in the hopes of getting some support, you're way ahead of them through a combination of good luck and good luck.

23:39:52 mircea_popescu: so wanna use it or not ?

23:42:20 DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, I guess you have some terms, the poker / randomness stuff?

23:42:48 mircea_popescu: i have some hard in-principle things that can disqualify a proposition, but they're pretty sparse.

23:43:02 mircea_popescu: field is new, so we don't know a whole lot about what fundamentally doesn't work just yet.

23:43:29 mircea_popescu: but yes, a deterministic web game for btc is a non starter.

23:43:58 mircea_popescu: this isn't the case here tho, from what i gather.

23:44:00 DreadKnight: it can easily be fixed, have lots of game modes in mind; basically you can just assign random limited unit pools to each player

23:44:17 DreadKnight: if you really want to have the random element in that is

23:44:28 mircea_popescu: the "buy random pakcs ofo cards" thing is enough.

23:44:33 mircea_popescu: it really doesn't take much.

23:45:50 DreadKnight: initially wanted to allow buying individual units, but did a bit game design research and seems this is more fun and profitable and balanced, people won't buy only over powered units and some want to collect them all, so they might have to buy and buy until they're satisfied or out of funds

23:45:56 ThickAsThieves: make sure you let me buy custom hats too

23:46:33 DreadKnight: eventually there will be custom skins and such; seems a lot of people care about vanity items in dota2 rather than carry about increasing their gameplay skills

23:46:37 HeySteve: people love their in-game bling / customisation stuff

23:47:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19263 @ 0.00081487 = 15.6968 BTC [-]

23:47:09 DreadKnight: will definitely want the main character fully customizable

23:47:30 ThickAsThieves: HeySteve i thought it was retarded at first, turns out its way less retarded than raiding for 80 hours to make your hero look dope

23:47:30 HeySteve: just like real life, most people think appearance > substance

23:48:23 HeySteve: ThickAsThieves I guess so yeah, but I don't like the pay to win kind of thing at all

23:48:41 DreadKnight: was checking reviews for a tablet a few months ago and the tablet was pink, most reviews were like "and it's awesome that it's pink, my daughter will love it", mom also got a pink phone *sigh*

23:48:43 ThickAsThieves: right, dota 2 is doing it all right

23:48:46 HeySteve: but for cosmetic stuff, it works well

23:49:21 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves this is the benefit of aging. you start to realise your time is worth more than money.

23:49:25 ThickAsThieves: pump out new characters, new costumes for the old ones, and never update the actual game much

23:49:39 ThickAsThieves: even there they still work at it

23:50:07 DreadKnight: HeySteve, I agree; I'm keeping pay to win totally away from free to play; hated that I played Ancient Summoner (now called Rise of Mythos) and I was pawning most players, but everytime I was fighting a noob that put a few bucks in the game, I was getting humiliated, I eventually quit playing because of that

23:50:23 ThickAsThieves: dota is just missing a hangout area

23:51:20 DreadKnight: ThickAsThieves, it has chat rooms, you can make new ones hmm

23:51:40 DreadKnight: it pretty much has IRC embedded inside

23:52:09 ThickAsThieves: i didnt know

23:52:15 ThickAsThieves: never looked i guess

23:52:24 ThickAsThieves: seems it should be in one of the main pages

23:52:45 DreadKnight: anyway, Ancient Beast has lots of advantages over moba (dota2)

23:53:00 DreadKnight: ThickAsThieves, the chat is right side in the main menu

23:53:17 DreadKnight: every country has a few rooms, lots of trading or random channels

23:53:35 DreadKnight: a lot of item trading spam or swearing / flaming :D

23:54:47 DreadKnight: I'm really starting to hate having to team up with random people in online multiplayer games, nothing good comes out of it usually

23:58:41 ThickAsThieves: it is the worst part of dota

23:58:49 ThickAsThieves: getting fuknuts on your team

23:59:10 cazalla: lol is the same

23:59:47 DreadKnight: one feeds, another one gets support and doesnt buy a ward / curier, one is afk, one disconnects, one thinks he's carry with the support, one has tank but he's always last in team fight, another one has initiator but he doesn't initiate crap and so on