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Transcript for 24-12-2015, 1200 lines:

00:01:08 ben_vulpes: eh, deedbot's an adequate pastebin

00:02:18 mod6: hm. i like what it does, but not every turd probably belongs in the chain.

00:02:25 mod6: *shrug*

00:02:39 ben_vulpes: i'm not actually serious mod6

00:02:43 mod6: oh.

00:05:17 trinque: heh. henceforth you may only deed deeds already deeded!

00:05:56 mod6: heheh

00:19:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29035 @ 0.00049777 = 14.4528 BTC [-]

00:21:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71950 @ 0.00050195 = 36.1153 BTC [+] {4}

00:31:49 deedbot-: [Qntra] CoinBase Bug Bonanza - http://qntra.net/2015/12/coinbase-bug-bonanza/

00:34:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22533 @ 0.00050291 = 11.3321 BTC [+] {2}

00:51:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22782 @ 0.00049797 = 11.3448 BTC [-]

00:53:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3500 @ 0.00049797 = 1.7429 BTC [-]

00:56:56 shinohai: O.o mats

00:57:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 167850 @ 0.00049567 = 83.1982 BTC [-] {7}

00:57:58 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all

00:58:04 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 444.87, vol: 6844.46447548 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 440.877, vol: 6641.53927 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 444.3, vol: 16052.14377369 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 438.0, vol: 0.03 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 451.964312, vol: 75501.10630000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 444.0, vol: 46.4962627 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 443.913039085, vol: 22.42802508 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)

00:58:07 BingoBoingo: ;;more

00:58:08 gribble: 449.626021481

01:13:36 mats: hai

01:23:08 trinque: wb

01:24:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53381 @ 0.00049936 = 26.6563 BTC [+] {3}

01:31:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21570 @ 0.00050163 = 10.8202 BTC [+] {2}

01:54:34 mats: it has been busy at the kitten recycling plant

01:55:47 asciilifeform: mats: how many pounds per shift ?

01:58:38 mats: thousands.

01:59:20 asciilifeform: mats: finally became a pro reverser ?

01:59:47 mats: no, work in progress

02:00:29 asciilifeform: funny, given how i'm just about to (mostly) stop...

02:00:46 mats: whats next?

02:00:58 asciilifeform: maths

02:01:03 mats: fun

02:01:42 mats: the applied sort ?

02:01:49 asciilifeform: sorta.

02:02:50 asciilifeform: mats: if you were to move to mordor, there is a cataclysmic undersupply of reversers

02:03:23 asciilifeform: (on west coast of usa, same)

02:06:12 phf: who typically looks for services like that besides alphabet agencies and antivirus companies?

02:06:22 asciilifeform: a couple banks, oddly enough

02:06:36 phf: huh

02:06:39 asciilifeform: also some firms that deal in 'discovery' (legal term)

02:07:01 phf: oh right that would be part of ediscovery

02:07:27 phf: so kind of like "we have this system we don't know how it works but we need to get the data out"

02:07:27 asciilifeform: also a great many firms that do reversing for no-questions-asked-mostly-usg

02:07:40 asciilifeform: phf: nah, usually particular to malware

02:08:49 thestringpuller: i had a friend who did that for many years at mcaffee

02:09:37 thestringpuller: ended up developing a meth problem...

02:09:42 asciilifeform: l0lwut

02:11:02 asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2015/12/on-19th-day-of-christmas.html << add the 19 ukr fission plants to list-of-thing-you're-no-longer-down-wind-of

02:11:03 assbot: ClubOrlov: On the 19th day of Christmas... ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jwn4uI )

02:11:03 gribble: The operation succeeded.

02:11:32 asciilifeform: '19 nuclear reactors are in operation, with 2 more supposedly under construction. And this is in a country whose economy is in free-fall and is set to approach that of Mali or Burundi! The nuclear fuel for these reactors was being supplied by Russia. An effort to replace the Russian supplier with Westinghouse failed because of quality issues leading to an accident.'

02:14:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2634 @ 0.00050243 = 1.3234 BTC [+]

02:15:25 asciilifeform: and meanwhile...

02:15:44 asciilifeform: https://cryptome.org/2015/12/gchq-juniper-intercept-15-1223.pdf

02:15:45 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JwnxNt )

02:16:44 asciilifeform: http://dpaste.com/068FQ43.txt

02:16:46 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JwnCks )

02:17:42 asciilifeform: https://theintercept.com/2015/12/23/juniper-firewalls-successfully-targeted-by-nsa-and-gchq << as seen here.

02:17:45 assbot: NSA Helped British Spies Find Security Holes In Juniper Firewalls ... ( http://bit.ly/1ObwhxY )

02:28:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 212900 @ 0.00050304 = 107.0972 BTC [+] {11}

02:40:12 BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats

02:40:16 gribble: Current Blocks: 389908 | Current Difficulty: 9.34486707963238E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 391103 | Next Difficulty In: 1195 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 10 hours, 8 minutes, and 11 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None

02:49:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52300 @ 0.00050492 = 26.4073 BTC [+] {4}

03:00:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7941 @ 0.00050493 = 4.0096 BTC [+]

03:01:11 BingoBoingo: Four comments from last week resurected http://qntra.net/2015/12/withdrawal-fees-for-changetip-starting/

03:01:12 assbot: Withdrawal Fees For Changetip Starting | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1OMm5s5 )

03:01:27 BingoBoingo: props for that go to /r/buttcoin for their archive bot

03:02:16 ben_vulpes: backups, backups, backups.

03:04:00 shinohai: Victoria got testy when called out on their spam lel. My 4th twitter block this year.

03:04:21 mats: asciilifeform: good to know

03:18:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32900 @ 0.00049462 = 16.273 BTC [-] {2}

03:33:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23250 @ 0.00050023 = 11.6303 BTC [+] {4}

03:35:24 thestringpuller: deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/2GT460A.txt

03:35:26 deedbot-: accepted: 1

04:06:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31240 @ 0.00049545 = 15.4779 BTC [-] {3}

05:04:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12812 @ 0.00049357 = 6.3236 BTC [-] {4}

05:10:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 108100 @ 0.00049639 = 53.6598 BTC [+] {6}

05:18:30 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all

05:18:35 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 455.26, vol: 8980.89302582 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 451.924, vol: 8656.66382 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 454.94, vol: 23011.32065649 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 438.0, vol: 0.06027771 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 462.795472, vol: 90346.73590000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 456.0, vol: 67.80392621 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 447.446, vol: 26.91770615 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)

05:18:46 BingoBoingo: ;;more

05:18:46 gribble: 460.175706018

06:11:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45200 @ 0.00050228 = 22.7031 BTC [+]

06:25:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41900 @ 0.00050228 = 21.0455 BTC [+]

06:29:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37250 @ 0.00049979 = 18.6172 BTC [-] {3}

06:44:01 BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats

06:44:05 gribble: Current Blocks: 389934 | Current Difficulty: 9.34486707963238E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 391103 | Next Difficulty In: 1169 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 20 hours, 17 minutes, and 43 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None

06:51:07 phf: ;;later tell asciilifeform another minimal unix http://ulixos.org, this one is 31k loc of noweb. has threads and fs caching

06:51:07 gribble: The operation succeeded.

06:56:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20200 @ 0.0005015 = 10.1303 BTC [+] {2}

07:02:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98900 @ 0.00049506 = 48.9614 BTC [-] {5}

07:07:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20565 @ 0.00050172 = 10.3179 BTC [+] {2}

07:08:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5735 @ 0.00050543 = 2.8986 BTC [+]

07:10:21 deedbot-: [Qntra] Two Milestones Pass On Bitcoin Blockchain - http://qntra.net/2015/12/two-milestones-pass-on-bitcoin-blockchain/

07:14:00 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all

07:14:07 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 457.68, vol: 9100.39254540 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 455.002, vol: 9169.10483 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 457.26, vol: 23903.20851982 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 438.0, vol: 0.07037461 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 465.946776, vol: 95604.35230000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 456.98999, vol: 75.51392621 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 448.376, vol: 43.78180127 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)

07:14:12 BingoBoingo: ;;more

07:14:13 gribble: 463.157188567

07:19:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48250 @ 0.0004935 = 23.8114 BTC [-] {3}

07:20:51 funkenstein_: greetings BingoBoingo et al.

07:20:58 funkenstein_: new zhou tonged is out

07:21:09 BingoBoingo: Merry chiralmas eve

07:21:20 BingoBoingo: What is zhou tonged?

07:21:22 funkenstein_: thank you kindly, and to you :)

07:21:31 BingoBoingo: Is that liek tradefortressed?

07:21:59 funkenstein_: musical arranger of note, named after bitcoinica something or other

07:22:20 funkenstein_: yes lol :)

07:23:01 BingoBoingo: I'm still not certain whether they are or are not the same person

07:23:58 funkenstein_: also dave barry's new year in review is out

07:24:04 funkenstein_: from which i quote

07:24:06 funkenstein_: Speaking of potatoes: Tensions rise in Europe when the Russian government announces that it is launching a new business start-up called Tuber, described as ?like Uber, except with tanks.?

07:24:28 BingoBoingo: Also funkenstein if you may any comments on Qntra last week you gotta remake them. If you didn't you still have to make new comments anyways.

07:24:41 BingoBoingo: lol

07:25:18 *: BingoBoingo wouldn't mind having a T-34 to convert into a camper van

07:25:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15350 @ 0.0004935 = 7.5752 BTC [-] {2}

07:32:23 funkenstein_: my calculations are showing 14,998,400 in circulation still

07:33:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21550 @ 0.00049472 = 10.6612 BTC [+] {2}

07:35:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46164 @ 0.00049472 = 22.8383 BTC [+]

07:40:49 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2015/continut-platit-no-more/#comment-116065 << that beautyon fellow is giving occasion to a very satisfying convo.

07:43:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68300 @ 0.00049472 = 33.7894 BTC [+]

07:53:26 ben_vulpes: is it old news that gnupg dgaf about linefeed types?

07:53:44 BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351518 << U calculate how? With node of full chain?

07:53:44 assbot: Logged on 24-12-2015 07:32:23; funkenstein_: my calculations are showing 14,998,400 in circulation still

07:53:56 ben_vulpes: and whitespace on linefeeds in between blocks of text in signed files?

07:54:23 mircea_popescu: it's complicated.

07:55:00 ben_vulpes: 'cause i'm looking at 2 text files with different shasum 256's and the precise same text except for linefeeds

07:55:04 ben_vulpes: and both fucking verify

07:57:17 mircea_popescu: myeah

07:57:31 ben_vulpes: i must be the last person to have figured this out or something.

07:57:45 mircea_popescu: goes in the summary header of "gpg is a pos".

07:57:53 ben_vulpes: armor -- most poorly-named flag in the history of nix tools.

08:00:11 ben_vulpes: how the fuck on earth is one supposed to know if the original text had \n, \r, \r\n or whatever the original hodgepodge of linefeeds was to begin with?

08:01:48 mircea_popescu: one is supposed to simply assume it had whatever he uses on his machine.

08:02:06 mircea_popescu: "unix philosophy".

08:03:02 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-12-2015#1351238 <<< ahahaha THIS IS WHAT YOU GET FOR QUITTING BIZNATCH!!1

08:03:02 assbot: Logged on 23-12-2015 19:45:54; cazalla_: ;;later tell BingoBoingo y u delete muh star wars comment from qntra? censorship! need to put qntra on a blockchain obv :P

08:03:47 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-12-2015#1351243 << aww fuck. i forgot that stupidity's still in there.

08:03:47 assbot: Logged on 23-12-2015 19:47:18; ascii_field: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-12-2015#1351210 << didja '-connect' it ? or '-addnode' ? because the latter is 'merely suggestion'

08:04:09 mircea_popescu: this is the problem of having a trb in the first place : the temptation to assume it's sane is just too great.

08:05:05 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-12-2015#1351253 << in fairness, sqlite works for all usecases that aren't this. or that. or in general.

08:05:05 assbot: Logged on 23-12-2015 19:50:53; ascii_field: it was the reason phuctor was sloooooooooooow

08:05:19 mircea_popescu: sorta like a birthday balloon works in all usecases that don't require anything of it.

08:06:20 ben_vulpes: aha yes

08:06:30 ben_vulpes: i know first hand the costs of making it do...stuff.

08:06:43 mircea_popescu: it's a great classroom tool i guess.

08:07:31 ben_vulpes: zing

08:08:25 ben_vulpes: actually what's an embeddable-via-c relational db that does r-trees besides sqlite?

08:08:25 mircea_popescu: lol. hey, how's life with the thunderbird, the wife, the studio and the new kid ?

08:09:12 mircea_popescu: i dunno... apache derby ? :D

08:09:51 mircea_popescu: anyway. this is how bitcoin ended up with bdb i suspect. infinitydb might be an option. they all suck.

08:10:11 ben_vulpes: corvette is hiding from the rain, wife is back in the kitchen, and child is inflating at normal biological rates

08:10:52 ben_vulpes: i suspect maintaining that java/c layer would be more expensive than just beating adequate performance out of sqlite was

08:11:50 *: mircea_popescu is reasonably impressed. had ben_vulpes pegged for "this guy's managed to put himself in a texbook model of a place where guys crack".

08:12:22 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes doesn't gcc compile B ?

08:14:22 ben_vulpes: B?

08:14:39 mircea_popescu: im just messing around.

08:15:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36883 @ 0.00049412 = 18.2246 BTC [-] {4}

08:15:38 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-12-2015#1351265 << this is probably true, but you know... gotta comprehend the data structures before this can be, gotta cut out a whole lotta crud out of the pastabowl before THAT can be, and so on.

08:15:38 assbot: Logged on 23-12-2015 19:58:01; ascii_field: but imho the db thing needs to be a simple mechanism written specifically for bitcoin

08:15:52 ben_vulpes: you're full of spunk tonight

08:16:37 mircea_popescu: on the downwind of a sort of irish wake.

08:16:41 mircea_popescu: well... the drinking part anyway.

08:17:37 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-12-2015#1351282 << am i a bad person if i actually prefer the upper version ?

08:17:37 assbot: Logged on 23-12-2015 20:39:49; ascii_field: http://www.mobiletechworld.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/Super-AMOLED-vs-Retina-Display-4.jpg << the 'pentile' thing returneth

08:17:44 BingoBoingo: I thought it was because you "discovered" this morning

08:18:34 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo sex only lasts so long. death overtakes.

08:18:50 BingoBoingo: so smaller

08:18:51 mircea_popescu: but hey, that was good for a few hours.

08:20:53 ben_vulpes: quelle mort

08:21:56 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-12-2015#1351296 << aww, i guess it does huh. listen, i'm not saying you should be forced to use it. just... i happen to like old newsprint. and the scent of gasoline.

08:21:56 assbot: Logged on 23-12-2015 20:42:20; ascii_field: jurov: IT MOTHERFUCKING IS NOT

08:22:32 mircea_popescu: ironically, i suppose both the impairment and the sewer comments apply. life!

08:27:45 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell linton_s_dawson http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-12-2015#1351345 << not anyone afaik. theoretically speaking it wouldn't likely work too well yet - not enough resources on the pi to be a real node. nevertheless, as a didactic / research sort of project rather than something to go in production trying would be interesting, if for nothing else then because nobody;s tried it yet.

08:27:45 assbot: Logged on 23-12-2015 22:25:35; linton_s_dawson: Anyone running thebitcoin.foundation client on a Raspberry Pi 2? I'd like to assemble a node and see if the Pi is a good idea.

08:27:45 gribble: The operation succeeded.

08:28:05 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-12-2015#1351348 << dude srsly... let people try things wtf.

08:28:05 assbot: Logged on 23-12-2015 22:26:16; ascii_field: short answer: bad idea

08:28:30 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-12-2015#1351351 << yet. at the rate we're going, this is coming.

08:28:30 assbot: Logged on 23-12-2015 22:29:00; ascii_field: thestringpuller: be grateful that you don't have to modular-exponentiate by hand.

08:28:39 mircea_popescu: and it'll be on a 1024px wide pentile display.

08:29:37 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell linton_s_dawson http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-12-2015#1351365 <<< /me supports this.

08:29:37 assbot: Logged on 23-12-2015 22:38:37; linton_s_dawson: If something ca be done in an easy-to-use manner, it should be done. I'm aware of the "if you're too lazy to learn you don't deserve it" logic but I don't completely agree with it.

08:29:37 gribble: The operation succeeded.

08:29:40 mircea_popescu: who's this guy anyway ?

08:29:42 mircea_popescu: !rated linton_s_dawson

08:29:42 assbot: You need to specify one nick.

08:29:51 mircea_popescu: !gettrust linton_s_dawson

08:29:55 assbot: Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user linton_s_dawson: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=mircea_popescu&to=linton_s_dawson | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/linton_s_dawson/

08:30:09 ben_vulpes: tonight is whitespace night in the sweet republic of bitcoin

08:30:27 mircea_popescu: !rate linton_s_dawso

08:30:27 assbot: Need a name to rate and a rating, optionally comment.

08:30:29 mircea_popescu: lol

08:30:30 mircea_popescu: !rate linton_s_dawson

08:30:30 assbot: Need a name to rate and a rating, optionally comment.

08:30:37 ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=10-12-2015#1340277 << did old qntraments lose their db ids?

08:30:37 assbot: Logged on 10-12-2015 13:40:58; mircea_popescu: midnightmagic http://qntra.net/2015/12/after-xt-failure-gavin-andresen-supports-jim-crow-for-signatures-on-the-blockchain/#comment-81695 << see ? why even bother. \

08:30:37 mircea_popescu: !rate 1 linton_s_dawson New blood.

08:30:37 assbot: 1 is not registered in WoT.

08:30:44 mircea_popescu: grrr

08:30:57 ben_vulpes: you can do it!

08:30:58 mircea_popescu: this is a new definition of "blind drunk"

08:31:02 mircea_popescu: !rate linton_s_dawson 1 New blood.

08:31:02 assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/8e26369d5447b582

08:31:32 mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.linton_s_dawson.1:273d20a03740ae777bb12c9e71a486bf6cc40dc9d5273b684a21934cd0c17dce

08:31:32 assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for linton_s_dawson with note: New blood.

08:32:32 ben_vulpes: ;;later tell mike_c does your wot thinger spit out json anywhere?

08:32:32 gribble: The operation succeeded.

08:33:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42350 @ 0.00049726 = 21.059 BTC [+] {2}

08:34:15 BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Yes. On the plus side now people have to read everything.

08:34:51 mircea_popescu: i think teh qntra backuping process suffered some improvements lol

08:36:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77202 @ 0.00049493 = 38.2096 BTC [-] {4}

08:37:37 thestringpuller: mod6: ben_vulpes anyone seen this error? 'unable to join the environment' in db.log ?

08:38:24 ben_vulpes: sounds extremely familiar

08:38:27 *: ben_vulpes greps

08:38:47 thestringpuller: something from bdb, but I thought that was all statically linked?

08:39:15 thestringpuller: i'm running mod6's new test2 script with alf's version string patched in.

08:40:12 *: ben_vulpes cannot recall what triggers this message

08:41:23 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller so you got a bitcoin binary pressed ?

08:46:17 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351432 << it conserves.

08:46:17 assbot: Logged on 24-12-2015 02:00:29; asciilifeform: funny, given how i'm just about to (mostly) stop...

08:46:29 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: bitcoind: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), statically linked, stripped

08:46:36 mircea_popescu: nice.

08:46:42 mircea_popescu: well done, eh.

08:46:47 thestringpuller: dunno why bdb is giving me shit tho

08:48:23 mircea_popescu: you using rhel ?

08:48:43 thestringpuller: Debian Jessie

08:49:11 mircea_popescu: do you have old lockfiles scattered around for any reason ?

08:51:45 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351451 << i was rather distantly downwind of that. along with most everything else in the civilised world.

08:51:45 assbot: Logged on 24-12-2015 02:11:02; asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2015/12/on-19th-day-of-christmas.html << add the 19 ukr fission plants to list-of-thing-you're-no-longer-down-wind-of

08:51:56 mircea_popescu: but hey, at times i enjoy my painstakingly recreated version of the 80s.

08:53:14 mircea_popescu: "But for the US, and for the EU, it is now yet another major foreign policy embarrassment, and the less said about it the better."

08:53:32 mircea_popescu: heh. this perennial willingness to NOT discuss, if at all possible to UNdiscuss all the fuckups is so fucking dumb already.

08:56:25 mircea_popescu: "Prime Minister Yatsenyuk was recently hauled off the podium by his crotch; how dignified is that?" << coming soon, to a white house near you.

08:56:30 mircea_popescu: if not this bahamas, the next bahamas.

08:59:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57000 @ 0.00049727 = 28.3444 BTC [+]

09:00:51 mircea_popescu: "Now, here's what it all really means. With so much going wrong, the Ukraine has been unable to secure enough natural gas or coal supplies to provide a supply cushion in case of a cold snap this winter. A few weeks of frosty weather will deplete the supply, and then pipes will freeze, rendering much of the urban areas unlivable from then on (because, recall, there is no longer any money, or any industry to speak of, to

09:00:51 mircea_popescu: repair the damage). That seems bad enough, but we aren't quite there yet." <<< this much is exactly factual, as romania is well aware since its very difficult early 90s. as far as temperate habitation is concerned, you have strictly to options : either produce enough energy to keep the heating pipes unfrozen through the winter, or else lose the possibility of urban settlement and as a result return to 1800ish (the wor

09:00:52 mircea_popescu: d for which in 2015 is, by and large, "Africa").

09:01:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4625 @ 0.00049727 = 2.2999 BTC [+]

09:01:32 mircea_popescu: if you don't keep the pipes above 0, they freeze. if they freeze they split. if they split you can't keep the [mostly concrete prefab] dwellings livable, not now, not ever.

09:02:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71175 @ 0.00049732 = 35.3968 BTC [+] {2}

09:06:33 mircea_popescu: " And the way to keep it from breaking is to replace all the bits that are listed on the replacement schedule no later than the dates indicated on that schedule. It's either that or the thing goes ?Ka-boom!? and everyone's hair falls out." << yes, except for the cynical west that actually wouldn't mind a few more nuclear "accidents". so what if they were fully preventable, deliberately man-made disasters ? at least

09:06:33 mircea_popescu: the oh-so-precious "alternative means solar, wind and any other inefficiency" lobby can push it's "the only energy source that works doesn't work - buy our shit" narrative.

09:10:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81000 @ 0.00049348 = 39.9719 BTC [-] {2}

09:13:27 ben_vulpes: anyone recall offhand how to get gpg to crap out signed data sans header/footer?

09:17:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 109250 @ 0.00049925 = 54.5431 BTC [+] {6}

09:24:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 115700 @ 0.00049322 = 57.0656 BTC [-] {6}

09:26:49 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351462 << BECAUSE, importantly, the only remaining function of the british colony, its only significant export and sole raison d'etre left is exactly this playing the extraterritorial base for the USG role. you know, obama is not spying on you, the queen is (and sharing the results). we hope this legalistic subtlety makes all the difference to you!

09:26:49 assbot: Logged on 24-12-2015 02:17:45; assbot: NSA Helped British Spies Find Security Holes In Juniper Firewalls ... ( http://bit.ly/1ObwhxY )

09:27:56 mircea_popescu: at any rate, "nsa laundered the vulnerabilities it planted in juniper firewalls through an offshore platform". britain, panama, whatever pacific island, what the hell's the difference.

09:30:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9919 @ 0.00049248 = 4.8849 BTC [-] {2}

09:31:41 mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/068FQ43.txt << seriously, these derps classified as secret/foia extempt some derp-ass $50-a-pop market research crapolade that's ~maybe~ one step above a wikipedia cull ?

09:31:43 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JwnCks )

09:32:04 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: nuked everything in /path/to/.bitcoin with `rm -rf /path/to/.bitcoin/*`

09:32:13 thestringpuller: anywhere else they could be hiding?

09:32:17 mircea_popescu: there's at least fifty billion "market research" houses more than happy to provide one with this crap.

09:32:26 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller nop.

09:35:36 punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351542 << I've worked with some fairly large sqlite dbs, obviously if you are doing a full table scan on 500gb of data, it's not gonna be fast, but it motherfucking works.

09:35:36 assbot: Logged on 24-12-2015 08:05:05; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-12-2015#1351253 << in fairness, sqlite works for all usecases that aren't this. or that. or in general.

09:36:14 mircea_popescu: doing what punkman ?

09:36:21 thestringpuller: also getting:

09:36:23 thestringpuller: terminate called after throwing an instance of 'std::runtime_error' what(): You must set myip=<ipaddress> on the command line or in the configuration file:

09:36:42 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller you must set your ip, the binary has no way of knowing.

09:37:19 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-12-2015#1350147 << seen that ?

09:37:19 assbot: Logged on 22-12-2015 04:58:44; mircea_popescu: You can then run this with something like LC_ALL=C nohup ./bitcoind -myip=<yourip> -addnode=trusted_node_1 -addnode=trusted_node_2 -verifyall 2>&1 &

09:38:32 punkman: mircea_popescu: the largest one had compressed web pages and metadata, but pretty much anything that doesn't need a db server

09:38:42 mircea_popescu: yeah well.

09:38:58 mircea_popescu: many reads few writes is a particular usecase, not really what's at work in the cases discussed.

09:39:27 thestringpuller: okay so it ran, but doing an RPC call: `LC_ALL="C" ./bitcoind -rpcuser=leffuy -rpcpassword=moomooman getinfo` killed the daemon

09:39:39 thestringpuller: it dropped out of top like instantly when I ran that command^

09:39:44 punkman: I don't see how bitcoin needs a db server

09:39:57 ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: check debug.log?

09:40:03 mircea_popescu: you don't need rpc u/p to get a getinfo

09:40:25 ben_vulpes: lol but should it crash with those?

09:40:34 mircea_popescu: punkman well that's maybe a point, but nevertheless it currently uses one, and it uses one mostly to update and insert

09:40:50 punkman: bdb does not have a server either

09:40:56 ben_vulpes: notrly a server

09:41:00 punkman: it's a term of art

09:41:03 ben_vulpes: external process

09:42:20 punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351552 << infinitydb? java???

09:42:20 assbot: Logged on 24-12-2015 08:09:51; mircea_popescu: anyway. this is how bitcoin ended up with bdb i suspect. infinitydb might be an option. they all suck.

09:43:32 mircea_popescu: java is best coffee.

09:44:02 ben_vulpes: punkman: just write some cffi

09:44:07 ben_vulpes: it ain't hard

09:44:31 ben_vulpes: that's why eulora's looking for mapgen in $yourlang

09:45:16 mircea_popescu: lol

09:46:20 punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351647 << gives this a look https://gist.github.com/extempore/b374fc9793643bb7563f

09:46:20 assbot: Logged on 24-12-2015 09:13:27; ben_vulpes: anyone recall offhand how to get gpg to crap out signed data sans header/footer?

09:46:21 assbot: gpg_multisig.py · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1QJEfRB )

09:48:44 punkman: on second thought, probably not what you meant

09:49:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 118400 @ 0.00050092 = 59.3089 BTC [+] {4}

09:49:26 thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: tail -f debug.log >> http://dpaste.com/1K1MMEC.txt

09:50:00 thestringpuller: db.log has one line >> 'unable to join the environment'

09:50:06 thestringpuller: but that happened before thing crashed

09:50:22 thestringpuller: all i did was:

09:50:23 thestringpuller: LC_ALL="C" ./bitcoind -rpcuser=leffuy -rpcpassword=moomooman getinfo

09:50:25 thestringpuller: error: no response from server

09:50:51 thestringpuller: which is different than error: couldn't connect to server

09:50:51 punkman: thestringpuller: do you have a config file? might need to pass it along with getinfo

09:51:17 thestringpuller: nope. i set all the flags on cli like in mircea_popescu 's example

09:58:53 ben_vulpes: does it work with a getinfo and no rpcuser/password?

10:01:53 punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351521 << good thread, maybe warrants a separate post

10:01:53 assbot: Logged on 24-12-2015 07:40:49; mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2015/continut-platit-no-more/#comment-116065 << that beautyon fellow is giving occasion to a very satisfying convo.

10:03:15 thestringpuller: ben_vulpes:

10:03:27 thestringpuller: error: You must set rpcpassword=<password> in the configuration file:

10:04:41 ben_vulpes: try setting them in the config file

10:05:06 ben_vulpes: aha

10:05:30 BingoBoingo: Yeah, gotta do that. And change the password.

10:08:25 BingoBoingo: !up wywialm

10:08:43 wywialm: thanks, BingoBoingo

10:09:23 punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351677 << do we have any measurements? if I had to guess I'd say there's a lot more reads than writes (after initial sync at least)

10:09:23 assbot: Logged on 24-12-2015 09:40:34; mircea_popescu: punkman well that's maybe a point, but nevertheless it currently uses one, and it uses one mostly to update and insert

10:10:20 mircea_popescu: i thought the initial sync's being discussed.

10:10:44 ben_vulpes: i'm curious to know what data structures people who understand data structures would suggest for storage and indexing

10:11:16 punkman: even during sync, you can commit blocks to disk in batches, really cuts down on required fsyncs

10:11:42 mircea_popescu: i guess.

10:16:25 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all

10:16:30 thestringpuller: nope

10:16:31 punkman: sqlite could work fine for the foreseeable future, main objection is that it comes with unneeeded complexity/kiloLOC

10:16:35 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 457.5, vol: 9796.69936891 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 453.001, vol: 9044.55735 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 457.69, vol: 24715.03879966 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 438.0, vol: 0.07037461 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 457.0, vol: 84.63627215 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 455.49761096, vol: 73.59684583 | Volume-weighted last average: 456.672206381

10:16:41 thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: server just goes down when it makes correct connection

10:17:07 thestringpuller: i'll try it on different machine :\

10:32:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22196 @ 0.00049931 = 11.0827 BTC [-] {2}

10:38:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48282 @ 0.0005043 = 24.3486 BTC [+]

10:39:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84800 @ 0.00050535 = 42.8537 BTC [+] {4}

10:48:01 deedbot-: [fraudsters] Tin Men - http://fraudsters.com/2015/tin-men/

10:50:51 ben_vulpes: bloody wacky thestringpuller

10:50:55 ben_vulpes: run it under gdb?

10:56:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41161 @ 0.00049931 = 20.5521 BTC [-] {2}

11:01:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95624 @ 0.00049767 = 47.5892 BTC [-]

11:09:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83600 @ 0.00050393 = 42.1285 BTC [+] {2}

11:21:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81750 @ 0.00050295 = 41.1162 BTC [-] {2}

11:40:02 jurov: thestringpuller: run the daemon in gdb. it really should not get killed via RPC.

11:45:55 BingoBoingo: miscellolious https://archive.is/lhlkt

11:45:56 assbot: Coffee Sleeve Recall (Sleeves Used Before April 2015) – Kaldi's Coffee ... ( http://bit.ly/22qpu9Y )

11:49:02 BingoBoingo: The hazards of metallic inks

11:59:02 punkman: such hazard

12:06:36 jurov: banknotes too ignite in microwave. better recall them!

12:07:26 BingoBoingo: For real, paper money is dangerous

12:09:03 punkman: I'd guess UStards expect the default state of things to be microwave-safe, whereas other people expect "it will probably catch fire/melt/etc"

12:10:44 BingoBoingo: Prolly, but in other spam http://dpaste.com/110PEB0.txt

12:10:45 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1YDzzM8 )

12:18:15 punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351645 << stumbled across these centrally planned lulz the other day http://www.pv-magazine.com/news/details/beitrag/eu-trade-case--120-companies--associations-to-participate-in-mip-expiry-review_100022550/

12:18:15 assbot: Logged on 24-12-2015 09:06:33; mircea_popescu: the oh-so-precious "alternative means solar, wind and any other inefficiency" lobby can push it's "the only energy source that works doesn't work - buy our shit" narrative.

12:18:17 assbot: EU trade case: 120 companies, associations to participate in MIP expiry review: pv-magazine ... ( http://bit.ly/1YDAtYT )

12:18:19 punkman: http://www.pv-magazine.com/news/details/beitrag/eu--anti-circumvention-duties-for-chinese-solar-products-shipped-via-taiwan--malaysia_100022552/

12:18:20 assbot: EU: Anti-circumvention duties for Chinese solar products shipped via Taiwan, Malaysia: pv-magazine ... ( http://bit.ly/1YDAufl )

12:19:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53350 @ 0.00049834 = 26.5864 BTC [-] {2}

12:24:28 punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-12-2015#1351377 << so the feds just wanna keep more of it to offset budget cuts?

12:24:28 assbot: Logged on 23-12-2015 22:50:35; deedbot-: [Qntra] US DO"J" Stops Sharing Bounty Of Theft With Locals - http://qntra.net/2015/12/us-doj-stops-sharing-bounty-of-theft-with-locals/

12:29:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58450 @ 0.00050183 = 29.332 BTC [+] {3}

12:31:45 BingoBoingo: yeah

12:31:54 BingoBoingo: prolly also saving up to afford a gendarmie

12:34:42 BingoBoingo: But they'll prolly unveil it as gender.me

12:34:52 BingoBoingo: Which will also be their recruiting slogan

12:35:01 punkman: heh

12:49:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21150 @ 0.00050169 = 10.6107 BTC [-] {2}

13:01:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33593 @ 0.00050295 = 16.8956 BTC [+] {2}

13:11:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44650 @ 0.00050204 = 22.4161 BTC [-] {3}

13:16:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 66 @ 0.0154 = 1.0164 BTC [+]

13:18:44 BingoBoingo: ^ Oh shit a Havelol made the main channel ticker

13:22:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59200 @ 0.0004986 = 29.5171 BTC [-] {5}

13:25:38 fluffypony: it's still going? who knew

13:28:53 BingoBoingo: Seriously

13:35:56 BingoBoingo: https://archive.is/yfdaj

13:35:58 assbot: My fat neighbor is going to hospitalize himself | fatpeoplehate ... ( http://bit.ly/1Tj8AnA )

13:36:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96300 @ 0.000497 = 47.8611 BTC [-] {4}

13:50:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35750 @ 0.00050248 = 17.9637 BTC [+] {3}

13:56:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78500 @ 0.00049215 = 38.6338 BTC [-] {5}

14:17:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63100 @ 0.00049165 = 31.0231 BTC [-] {4}

14:20:31 BingoBoingo: what the fuck

14:25:03 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351549 << we don't need a db in the usual, general sense. we need an indexer for the things we need an indexer for.

14:25:03 assbot: Logged on 24-12-2015 08:08:25; ben_vulpes: actually what's an embeddable-via-c relational db that does r-trees besides sqlite?

14:25:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47250 @ 0.00049024 = 23.1638 BTC [-] {3}

14:28:54 asciilifeform: ;;later tell phf http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351490 << this is yet another 'school os' - it has x86 32-bit retardation heavily baked in. pretty useless for our cause imho.

14:28:54 assbot: Logged on 24-12-2015 06:51:07; phf: ;;later tell asciilifeform another minimal unix http://ulixos.org, this one is 31k loc of noweb. has threads and fs caching

14:28:55 gribble: The operation succeeded.

14:29:43 asciilifeform: i don't ever want to see a task state segment again. and don't see why i oughta.

14:31:29 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351554 << i will take no part in anything involving java in whatever capacity.

14:31:29 assbot: Logged on 24-12-2015 08:10:52; ben_vulpes: i suspect maintaining that java/c layer would be more expensive than just beating adequate performance out of sqlite was

14:32:34 asciilifeform: and it boggles my mind that this was being considered, even in passing

14:33:15 asciilifeform: (unless i misread ??)

14:34:07 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351565 << bad picture. the effect is considerably less annoying in photos, and virtually invisible in a video - which is HOW THEY GOT AWAY with having SHARED blue pixels

14:34:07 assbot: Logged on 24-12-2015 08:17:37; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-12-2015#1351282 << am i a bad person if i actually prefer the upper version ?

14:34:39 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351572 << i ~also~ like old newsprint. but not simply from the moire pattern in the photos, but because TEXT WAS BLACK

14:34:39 assbot: Logged on 24-12-2015 08:21:56; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-12-2015#1351296 << aww, i guess it does huh. listen, i'm not saying you should be forced to use it. just... i happen to like old newsprint. and the scent of gasoline.

14:34:54 asciilifeform: in the pentile shit, TEXT IS NOT BLACK

14:35:06 asciilifeform: it has dancing buzzing crud around the edges when your eyes move

14:35:15 asciilifeform: because 'who wants to read text'

14:35:20 asciilifeform: 'good enough for arsebook'

14:35:46 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu get thee to an electronics shop and sneak a peek at the abomination. e.g., 'samsung s2 tablet' etc.

14:36:48 asciilifeform: i bet even colourblind fella will notice.

14:36:49 Naphex: .

14:37:42 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351575 << i tried it! on pi-1. not enough i/o bandwidth. but the problem with all 'pi' machines is rather different - it is the presence of a dedicated, always-on usg mysterymeat cpu core

14:37:42 assbot: Logged on 24-12-2015 08:27:45; mircea_popescu: ;;later tell linton_s_dawson http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-12-2015#1351345 << not anyone afaik. theoretically speaking it wouldn't likely work too well yet - not enough resources on the pi to be a real node. nevertheless, as a didactic / research sort of project rather than something to go in production trying would be interesting, if for nothing else then because nobody;s tried it yet.

14:37:52 asciilifeform: which is not something a sane person would want on a node

14:38:30 asciilifeform: (and yes recent intel boxes have precisely same issue)

14:40:14 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351639 << it'll happen with usg diesel dispensed on usurious credit - as in bulgaria

14:40:14 assbot: Logged on 24-12-2015 09:00:51; mircea_popescu: repair the damage). That seems bad enough, but we aren't quite there yet." <<< this much is exactly factual, as romania is well aware since its very difficult early 90s. as far as temperate habitation is concerned, you have strictly to options : either produce enough energy to keep the heating pipes unfrozen through the winter, or else lose the possibility of urban settlement and as a result return

14:41:22 asciilifeform: (usg is happy to preside over the mothballing of perfectly-working su nuke plants, this is a very effective colonization instrument)

14:41:22 *: BingoBoingo wonders if anyone here has experience with laptop coolers that have fan pulling air out through CPU exhaust vent, considering one.

14:41:30 *: BingoBoingo to bed.

14:41:47 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if laptop needs external cooling, it's a pos

14:42:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6150 @ 0.00050151 = 3.0843 BTC [+] {2}

14:43:16 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351645 << kinda funny, same thing petro-pipe-era (1970s+) su used to do to the west (funded 'activism!11111' against fission, etc)

14:43:16 assbot: Logged on 24-12-2015 09:06:33; mircea_popescu: the oh-so-precious "alternative means solar, wind and any other inefficiency" lobby can push it's "the only energy source that works doesn't work - buy our shit" narrative.

14:44:04 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351650 << this flowed predictably out of the post-ww2 bitchdom that gave us orwell's apt 'airstrip one'

14:44:04 assbot: Logged on 24-12-2015 09:26:49; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351462 << BECAUSE, importantly, the only remaining function of the british colony, its only significant export and sole raison d'etre left is exactly this playing the extraterritorial base for the USG role. you know, obama is not spying on you, the queen is (and sharing the results). we hope this legalistic subtlety makes all the difference to you!

14:44:32 asciilifeform: uk is just an 'unsinkable aircraft carrier' for usg. like taiwan.

14:45:38 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351654 << y'know, the janitor's schedule at ft meade is also classified. 'sources & methods' (tm) (r)

14:45:38 assbot: Logged on 24-12-2015 09:31:41; mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/068FQ43.txt << seriously, these derps classified as secret/foia extempt some derp-ass $50-a-pop market research crapolade that's ~maybe~ one step above a wikipedia cull ?

14:45:54 asciilifeform: it's an intro blob for 'mba' to read

14:46:59 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351660 << ahahahaa i'm a laugh to death, we want a sql parser to grind every motherfucking time a tx is fetched ??!?!?

14:46:59 assbot: Logged on 24-12-2015 09:35:36; punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351542 << I've worked with some fairly large sqlite dbs, obviously if you are doing a full table scan on 500gb of data, it's not gonna be fast, but it motherfucking works.

14:48:40 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351715 << even initial sync has vastly more reads than writes. thinkaboutit

14:48:40 assbot: Logged on 24-12-2015 10:10:20; mircea_popescu: i thought the initial sync's being discussed.

14:49:21 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351721 << it is a turd and barely works for the purpose it was designed for. and NO MOTHERFUCKING SQL in bitcoin

14:49:21 assbot: Logged on 24-12-2015 10:16:31; punkman: sqlite could work fine for the foreseeable future, main objection is that it comes with unneeeded complexity/kiloLOC

14:49:39 asciilifeform: srsly what part of this is hard to understand.

14:50:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48350 @ 0.00050204 = 24.2736 BTC [+] {3}

14:57:23 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351584 << to mutilate the old saying, 'things oughta be as easy to use as possible, but not easier'

14:57:23 assbot: Logged on 24-12-2015 08:29:37; assbot: Logged on 23-12-2015 22:38:37; linton_s_dawson: If something ca be done in an easy-to-use manner, it should be done. I'm aware of the "if you're too lazy to learn you don't deserve it" logic but I don't completely agree with it.

14:58:19 shinohai: I strongly believe linton_s_dawson "just wants an app for that"

15:00:09 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351578 << anybody who wants to build for ARM can use my recipe, it is in the ml, and it wurx

15:00:09 assbot: Logged on 24-12-2015 08:28:05; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-12-2015#1351348 << dude srsly... let people try things wtf.

15:00:24 asciilifeform: and also 'rotor' is a generalization of it

15:00:39 asciilifeform: you can build for whateverthefuck you like, build for nintendo, build for cray

15:01:08 asciilifeform: anything with a gcc available

15:05:25 *: shinohai is evidently too retarded to build using asciilifeform 's recipe. T_T

15:05:52 asciilifeform: shinohai: what was the issue

15:06:40 shinohai: I just cannot understand how to use buildroot, despite reading manuals for hours upon hours.

15:07:04 asciilifeform: i don't recall my recipe needing understanding

15:07:29 shinohai: Maybe I need the proper drugs.

15:11:56 shinohai: Once I figure it out I am definitely going to write an idiot's guide to cross-compiling.

15:13:51 asciilifeform: ;;later tell phf http://mikhailmasl.livejournal.com/4852.html << mega-b00k. afaik never published in dead tree. the only known memoir of mathematician working in kgb, lived through the '90s no less. the fella who designed that crackpot calculator for central bank.

15:13:56 gribble: The operation succeeded.

15:14:10 asciilifeform: i've been reading it for a couplea days now and it's a riot.

15:15:09 asciilifeform: when martin & mitchell famously ran away from nsa to su in 1960, su decided to open own nsa

15:15:50 asciilifeform: and built a kind of first-rate maths school cum military academy

15:20:39 asciilifeform: the book is interesting not only from anthropological pov but also because it reveals why 'gost' is a piece of shit

15:20:47 asciilifeform: (was cheap ripoff of DES, and deliberately)

15:41:34 asciilifeform: 'Idiosyncrasies : Eats raw chicken because he likes the taste.' << from mitchell's fbi file

15:42:00 mircea_popescu: lolwut

15:42:09 asciilifeform: from megaturd http://documents.theblackvault.com/documents/nsa/75791A.pdf

15:42:18 asciilifeform: strictly for pro entomologists!

15:42:28 mircea_popescu: the stuff you read.

15:42:41 *: asciilifeform is about halfway in

15:43:23 mircea_popescu: in another life you could have been a happily employed girlie, reading this crud of your own curiosity an' making summaries for terrorists.

15:44:01 *: asciilifeform suspects that he reads moar of it, and more attentively, than the pro gurlz

15:45:38 mircea_popescu: possible.

15:46:13 asciilifeform: 'Martin is said to have criticized American women and marital laws. Martin and Mitchell have both been described as socially awkward and Mitchell has been described as unsophisticated and naive about the practical world.' (p.60)

15:46:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71100 @ 0.00049913 = 35.4881 BTC [-] {4}

15:46:55 asciilifeform: (tldr: the brass, in at least as far as the Official Truth doc releases reveal, were obsessed with whether m & m were buggering one another and spent millions investigating this)

15:50:40 asciilifeform: also many, many pages on 'suspected' masochism

15:50:43 asciilifeform: etc.

15:55:36 asciilifeform: l0l! even viktor kamkin bookstore (rip) and its owners figured in the case!

15:55:42 asciilifeform: !s kamkin

15:55:42 assbot: 3 results for 'kamkin' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=kamkin

15:56:10 asciilifeform: (p.79)

15:59:33 mircea_popescu: the 60s

16:00:17 asciilifeform: any old usaschwitz inmate knows: 1960 in usa was the middle of 'the fifties'

16:02:22 mircea_popescu: heh

16:02:51 mircea_popescu: in my head it's all "time when the pre-cocksucking lusers lived"

16:03:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45850 @ 0.00050509 = 23.1584 BTC [+]

16:03:08 asciilifeform: 'Martin and Mitchell's effects reveal their interest and activity in photography, music, Russian language, French, and travel. Mitchell also possesses much athletic and sporting equipment, firearms, and a large liquor supply.'

16:04:14 asciilifeform: and the tone with which the usgdroids describe one of the fellas watching japanese strippers diddle one another, it must be read to be appreciated.

16:05:12 asciilifeform: or how they tried to hunt down everybody with whom they... played chess

16:05:42 mircea_popescu: heh

16:06:55 mircea_popescu: it's funny how all the soviet defections were proof sovietism dun work (it didn't) but all the various us defections weren't proof usgism dun work (it... didn't).

16:07:00 mircea_popescu: omaygawd teh bad ppls in this world.

16:07:41 mircea_popescu: in the end not substantially different from the su's own "sluggard schizophrenia" in response to that age old question that's the bane of every mature bureaucracy : "why would anyone want to leave paradise!"

16:08:16 asciilifeform: m and m blew the usg minds for the simple reason that, as far as anybody could tell, they weren't bribed

16:08:19 mircea_popescu: recall the north korean girly that killed herself in paris rather than come back home to the ~very priviledged~ household of her commanding daddy in best democratic thingamagig ?

16:08:29 asciilifeform: aha.

16:08:48 asciilifeform: (not that you could actually bribe a usian, in those days, to move to su)

16:09:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96582 @ 0.00049871 = 48.1664 BTC [-] {3}

16:09:16 mircea_popescu: "f0or as long as we define bribing in terms that make it impossible, it was impossible to bribe an usian to move to su in those days"

16:09:20 asciilifeform: but as far as publicly known, neither martin nor mitchell was running 'from sins'

16:09:22 mircea_popescu: wanna bet ?

16:10:46 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: bribe in the ordinary sense

16:10:49 asciilifeform: (with money)

16:10:55 mircea_popescu: that's not the ordinary sense.

16:11:07 mircea_popescu: go, bribe someone. WITH MONEY.

16:11:27 mircea_popescu: the most you'll get is a can of coke out of a vending machine.

16:11:52 asciilifeform: well, yes, normally you need something to make the money stick

16:11:58 mircea_popescu: right.

16:13:31 mircea_popescu: anyway. "traitorous homosexual network of communists" ftw.

16:13:50 asciilifeform: aha, bulk of the turd is literally about this.

16:14:31 mircea_popescu: anyway. if memory serves the actual cia conclusion was "social ambition drove it", which is EXACTLY what a fucking bribe is.

16:15:29 asciilifeform: that was the demented summary aha

16:15:41 mircea_popescu: the point isn't "the money", the money is always and everywhere as it is here a token. the point of the bribe is that the bribed becomes part of the clan of the briber, it's exactly a fucking wedding.

16:16:01 asciilifeform: from the actual words of m & m, in as far as they have been recorded in su, it was (in at least the case of the domainant fella, i forget which one that was) on account of... mathematics

16:16:19 asciilifeform: schmuck thought that 'su respects maths! i will be respected!11111'

16:16:22 mircea_popescu: which is why women generally confront the "either you put out or we rape you" and bureaucrats generally confront the "play ball or go sleep with the fishes".

16:17:10 asciilifeform: the detectives were baffled because they only looked for the simple knobs - bag of money; or failing that, 'ideological rot'

16:17:26 mircea_popescu: didn't they famously say natasha fucks better ?

16:17:33 mircea_popescu: prolly why the us went all overboard with "faggits!"

16:17:35 asciilifeform: but m & m wanted to go straight for the 'wedding'

16:18:01 asciilifeform: and yes their goodbye letter (it leaked out, iirc, years later) mentioned chicks

16:18:49 asciilifeform: but in re: mathematics:

16:19:04 asciilifeform: one of the reasons why there are not more defections among the house slaves is,

16:19:11 asciilifeform: that most healthy cultures piss on turncoats

16:19:50 asciilifeform: k. philby famously drank himself to death on account of this

16:20:13 asciilifeform: (he actually thought that he might be trusted with serious business in su, imagine)

16:21:08 asciilifeform: 'rome does not pay traitors'

16:21:48 mircea_popescu: this is a difficult point.

16:22:07 mircea_popescu: it;s not that most healthy cultures piss on turncoats. it's that turncoats generally go psychotic.

16:23:05 mircea_popescu: who was the classical general that busted his own face, pretended his king did it, went to the enemies who bought it and then raped them in their sleep ?

16:33:49 mod6: mornin'

16:34:01 mod6: thestringpuller: did you ever git your bitcoind up and going?

16:34:10 mod6: s/git/get/

16:35:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75900 @ 0.00050163 = 38.0737 BTC [+]

16:38:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7522 @ 0.00049864 = 3.7508 BTC [-]

16:39:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64900 @ 0.00049 = 31.801 BTC [-]

16:40:22 mod6: once you have a 'bitcoin.conf' in place in either ~/.bitcoin or '-datadir' with an 'rpcuser' & 'rpcpassword': `LC_ALL=C ./bitcoind -myip=127.0.0.1 -connect 173.73.235.152 -verifyall &`

16:40:37 mod6: bah

16:40:49 mod6: `LC_ALL=C ./bitcoind -myip=127.0.0.1 -connect=173.73.235.152 -verifyall &`

16:40:52 mod6: or !

16:41:16 mod6: `LC_ALL=C ./bitcoind -datadir=/path/to/.bitcoin -myip=127.0.0.1 -connect=173.73.235.152 -verifyall &`

16:41:22 mod6: should do the trick.

16:45:33 mod6: im not sure what this is about:

16:46:03 mod6: <+thestringpuller> db.log has one line >> 'unable to join the environment'

16:47:16 asciilifeform: sounds like a b0rk3d db

16:47:31 mod6: i looked for 'environment' in the code -- didn't find any relevant matches as far as I can tell: http://dpaste.com/1QDGFPN.txt

16:47:32 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1QKjDbU )

16:48:01 asciilifeform: mod6: bdbism

16:48:12 mod6: ok. hmm.

16:48:23 mod6: weird.

16:49:32 mod6: was this started from a /clean/ env or is this trying to load up a blockchain from christmas past?

16:49:53 asciilifeform: gotta ask him

16:49:59 mod6: thestringpuller ^

16:51:51 mod6: i had to laugh at that last orlov

16:52:06 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351909 << from the standpoint of the other fella, turning on your fellow soldiers ~is~ a psychotic act

16:52:06 assbot: Logged on 24-12-2015 16:22:07; mircea_popescu: it;s not that most healthy cultures piss on turncoats. it's that turncoats generally go psychotic.

16:52:24 mod6: 'NPPs require power all the time'

16:52:37 asciilifeform: mod6: they do though

16:52:54 *: asciilifeform thought that this was well-known

16:53:18 mod6: ya, makes sense. sucks if you can't afford to buy the coal or what not

16:53:58 asciilifeform: at any rate, usg has quite likely already sent the same disassembly squads they used in bulgaria

16:54:16 asciilifeform: ua will run on usg diesel until ragnarok

16:54:26 mircea_popescu: mod6 understant, there's no "turned off the universe" switch. whether you have "an use" for it or not, teh sun's still gonna shine, and the radioactive will still decay.

16:54:30 mircea_popescu: either you cool it or it cools you.

16:54:46 mod6: yeah

16:54:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87580 @ 0.00048945 = 42.866 BTC [-] {3}

16:55:26 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform im not terribly sure avbout that. for one thing, the us is poor these days. for the other, it's always been perfidious, and the blown nuke plants are perhaps more valuable to it.

16:55:52 asciilifeform: nuland & co. don't personally relish sitting in a hot zone

16:56:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60071 @ 0.00048916 = 29.3843 BTC [-] {3}

16:56:03 mircea_popescu: cheaper to move one fat woman than all that diesel.

16:56:05 asciilifeform: nor the entire floor (!) of ua parliament bldg devoted to cia

16:56:35 *: mod6 wonders if he'll have to buy trainloads of coal one day

16:56:50 mircea_popescu: and i'm not overstating the screaming, onctuous poverty they're in one little bit. have you seen the footage from that meeting of perry with random nobody in ukraina, that took place in a room smaller than the very cramped table ?

16:57:18 mircea_popescu: the guy's expensive shirts make an incredible situation with the "we couldn't afford a hotel room so we paid the porter to let us use the utility closet" thing

16:57:55 asciilifeform: orcs are met with in the orc stall in the barn

16:58:01 asciilifeform: humans - in human hall

16:58:06 asciilifeform: sop.

16:58:10 trinque: http://deedbot.org/build-bitcoind-151224.sh << made minor changes such that there's a build dir and binary's crapped into bin in the current dir

16:58:11 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1YEbncp )

16:58:27 *: mod6 looks

16:59:04 asciilifeform: this thing really oughta be a makefile

16:59:23 asciilifeform: for one thing, that would let you cache the www turds locally

16:59:31 trinque: yep, I may take that on next.

16:59:49 trinque: the above is just about 4-5 lines tweaked

16:59:58 asciilifeform: btw a v-ified variant of 'make' would be spiffy

17:00:02 asciilifeform: here's how:

17:00:13 asciilifeform: it would build ITEMS OF SPECIFIC HASH rather than name

17:00:29 asciilifeform: sorta like a v press-to-hash (feature i never got around to implementing)

17:00:37 trinque: neat, makes sense.

17:00:43 asciilifeform: (take a known hash, do whatever is necessary to end up with file of that hash)

17:02:11 asciilifeform: curl -s http://openssl.org/source/old/1.0.1/openssl-1.0.1g.tar.gz -o distfiles/openssl-1.0.1g.tar.gz << we're still doing this ?!!

17:02:15 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1YEbV27 )

17:02:37 trinque: so outermost makefile would do what this script is doing, then call a rotor makefile.

17:02:57 asciilifeform: aha except that it oughtn't load anything from the net if the necessary file is in a local distfiles dir

17:03:14 asciilifeform: the whole 'load from net' paradigm for builds is imho sad

17:03:16 trinque: yup

17:04:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 112146 @ 0.00048879 = 54.8158 BTC [-] {4}

17:04:10 trinque: but gotta get them from somewhere

17:04:14 asciilifeform: cd.

17:05:58 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351968 << and incidentally, this is probably a good time to point out that 'v' as it is presently seen is not the most generalized treatment of the subject

17:05:58 assbot: Logged on 24-12-2015 17:00:29; asciilifeform: sorta like a v press-to-hash (feature i never got around to implementing)

17:06:10 asciilifeform: must understand that 'patch' is simply one possible operation for a vtron

17:06:51 asciilifeform: 'v' is meant as a general sane solution to the 'must-x-before-y' problem

17:07:08 asciilifeform: like gnumake, but with hard crypto

17:07:38 asciilifeform: and hard pinning of all intermediate 'lemma'

17:07:59 asciilifeform: (gnumake does not know, or care, what the actual binaries it ends up with at whatever step were)

17:09:49 trinque: sounds like a type of shell script, where one can perform-action then check-hash-of-state, then continue or die

17:10:00 asciilifeform: well no

17:10:08 asciilifeform: because it has to be able to form a topological walk

17:10:13 asciilifeform: and compute paths

17:10:18 mircea_popescu: <trinque> yep, I may take that on next. << not a bad idea yeah.

17:10:41 asciilifeform: but yes, you could theoretically implement in whatever shell. my original attempt at 'v' (unpublished) was in awk & sed

17:10:48 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> (take a known hash, do whatever is necessary to end up with file of that hash) <<< this is actually a great approach, if it weren't for off-by-dword issues

17:11:01 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the issues come from retarded compiler

17:11:07 mircea_popescu: well of course.

17:11:11 asciilifeform: the solution to which is arduous but in no sense mysterious

17:11:18 mircea_popescu: and we're calling it retarded because we don't know it's subverted. yet.

17:11:20 asciilifeform: (pinning down gcc in the killing jar)

17:11:24 mircea_popescu: at the rate we're going tho...

17:11:29 mircea_popescu: btw, phuctor back online yet ?

17:11:43 asciilifeform: not quite yet, actually working on it as we speak

17:11:51 mircea_popescu: cool

17:11:56 asciilifeform: rewriting with a traditional db

17:12:07 mircea_popescu: ah, you went into the guts ?

17:12:09 asciilifeform: and multithreaded gcd--er

17:12:10 asciilifeform: aha

17:12:14 mircea_popescu: cool.

17:12:43 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351997 << this brings us to another thing i've been doing for past 6 mo. or so

17:12:43 assbot: Logged on 24-12-2015 17:11:18; mircea_popescu: and we're calling it retarded because we don't know it's subverted. yet.

17:12:53 asciilifeform: which is, dredging through the actual bin

17:13:05 asciilifeform: (the ~4MB elf we get from a rotor run)

17:13:21 *: mircea_popescu has not found anything, which merely makes /me convinced his reversing installed capacity is marginal at best.

17:13:47 asciilifeform: slightly more than half is openssl turdism

17:14:14 mircea_popescu: i meant in the specific sense of thompson's compiler.

17:14:32 asciilifeform: 'science!!111111' has progressed since herr thompson, y'know

17:14:42 mircea_popescu: i have exactly no faith in this theory.

17:14:49 asciilifeform: don't expect a 100kB turd in there.

17:15:10 mircea_popescu: just looking for noteworthy "mysterious" polymorphisms etc.

17:15:14 asciilifeform: gonna be more like an off-by-one array access 'plausibly accidented' in somewhere

17:15:31 asciilifeform: and incidentally c++ makes looking for this virtually impossible without elaborate automation

17:15:39 mircea_popescu: myeah.

17:16:00 *: asciilifeform has been digging deep into cpp internals

17:16:08 mircea_popescu: anyway, 100kb is not required, about 512 bytes would trigger atm.

17:16:13 mircea_popescu: which... whatever, huge holes.

17:16:39 asciilifeform: again the more realistic scenario is 1bt of 'plausible optimization!111' that lets you spray in the 512

17:16:51 mircea_popescu: i guess.

17:17:11 mircea_popescu: i'm a fundamentalist rather than a realist at heart. who knew.

17:18:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84200 @ 0.00049206 = 41.4315 BTC [+] {2}

17:18:49 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1352012 << welcome to the club of everybody else who buys reversing. even usg has mega-sh0rt4g3z

17:18:49 assbot: Logged on 24-12-2015 17:13:21; *: mircea_popescu has not found anything, which merely makes /me convinced his reversing installed capacity is marginal at best.

17:19:41 mircea_popescu: "This guy barely ekes out a living wage in Romania. Rule #1 in building a cult of personality is to pose as if you're raking in the cash, no matter how poor you are. But any idiot can see that (a) this guy cannot even travel to the US because of the legal problems with MPEX, (b) he makes no money from any source, and (c) he's a loser."

17:19:50 mircea_popescu: o hey check me out, i'm eking a living in romania.

17:20:06 asciilifeform: why not namibia ?

17:20:19 asciilifeform: if gonna spew idiocy, why not full bore ?

17:20:26 mircea_popescu: lazy, i guess ?

17:20:31 asciilifeform: i guess

17:20:59 mircea_popescu: anyway, this chick's been rather obsessed with me for a while now. hey sciencehatesyou... i'll pay for your tits you know ? just like everyone's else.

17:21:11 asciilifeform: it's a chick?!!

17:21:14 mircea_popescu: myeah.

17:21:24 mircea_popescu: who the fuck else is this FUCKING EQUALITARIAN, huh ?

17:21:31 asciilifeform: perl script ?

17:21:32 mircea_popescu: shouldn't i get brownie points for taking all comers ? eh ?

17:22:11 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's a font of endless amusement to me, how the limits of people's heads reside in people's heads to much obviousness for everyone but the limited in question.

17:22:26 mircea_popescu: chicks wanna-be a feminist and lalala women's rights, is not sufficiently self-possessed to pose topless.

17:22:39 mircea_popescu: this, however, at no point raises any consciously-visible exception in her software. because...

17:22:53 asciilifeform: these selfsame folks will happily pose topless, or opencunted, etc. ~in the right place~

17:22:59 mircea_popescu: doubt it.

17:23:26 mod6: /topic lalala women's rights

17:23:27 mircea_popescu: hmm... free and open cuntware. now that's an apt observation.

17:23:45 asciilifeform: the exception is thrown because 'disgusting male gaze' or whatever it was called

17:23:46 mircea_popescu: lol MobGod

17:23:48 mircea_popescu: oops

17:23:57 asciilifeform: rather than because missing cuntcover

17:24:06 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform except that's the local symbolic name for the global that's HER OWN FUCKING GAZE\

17:24:53 asciilifeform: in the fyootoor (tm) shrinks will have a specially-crafted conlang for describing the thought processes of madness

17:25:11 mircea_popescu: really it's what lacan and co were going for.

17:25:19 asciilifeform: ended up with, at any rate

17:25:30 mircea_popescu: it didn't work (imo the best summary of the problem is - they ran into recursive cyclic graphs and couldn't recover)

17:25:38 asciilifeform: aha.

17:25:51 asciilifeform: this is what happens to folks innocent of mathematics

17:25:52 mircea_popescu: in fairness, the guy wasn't exactly dumb, and the problem itself is not exactly trivial.

17:25:59 mircea_popescu: and even to folks nocent.

17:26:26 asciilifeform: cycle finding has reasonable solution

17:26:45 asciilifeform: e.g., http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?TortoiseAndHare

17:26:48 assbot: Tortoise And Hare ... ( http://bit.ly/1YEeKA2 )

17:27:08 mircea_popescu: sure sure, but finding is the easier part.

17:27:10 asciilifeform: ^ yet another thing i was gonna put in 'v' but snipped in the interest of time

17:27:19 mircea_popescu: "now fix it" "what ?!" "make it flat" "are you stupid ?"

17:29:04 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351837 << mega-b00k describes a kgb legend: the first man who explained to beria how otp is provably 'perfect'-secure, was allowed to leave lubyanka - but at the door they took his employee pass

17:29:04 assbot: Logged on 24-12-2015 15:13:51; asciilifeform: ;;later tell phf http://mikhailmasl.livejournal.com/4852.html << mega-b00k. afaik never published in dead tree. the only known memoir of mathematician working in kgb, lived through the '90s no less. the fella who designed that crackpot calculator for central bank.

17:29:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100500 @ 0.00050163 = 50.4138 BTC [+]

17:34:18 asciilifeform: http://aklepov.com/index.php?page=elektronika-mk-85c-en << finally found an english www describing the thing maslennikov (author of earlier b00k) built

17:34:20 assbot: Elektronika MK-85C | Клепов Анатолий Викторович ... ( http://bit.ly/1PmSBWz )

17:34:41 mod6: trinque: building ur script changes now.

17:35:14 asciilifeform: it sucked pretty hard, by his own admission, but he insists that it saved ru central bank from total annihilation (plague of fake transfers in the '90s by chechens)

17:35:27 asciilifeform: was primitive pubkey signature machine.

17:35:43 *: asciilifeform was not there, cannot vouch for the truth of this tale

17:41:41 asciilifeform: http://ireport.cnn.com/community/assignment << holy shit what is this

17:41:42 assbot: CNN iReport Assignment Desk ... ( http://bit.ly/1PmT4Yx )

17:41:54 asciilifeform: 'cnn' hosts spam now ??

17:43:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91200 @ 0.00050218 = 45.7988 BTC [+] {2}

18:01:47 punkman: http://cdn.theguardian.tv/webM/2015/12/21/151221ChinaLandslide_synd_768k_vp8.webm

18:01:50 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1PmUnH8 )

18:06:03 asciilifeform: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/22/world/asia/china-landslide-shenzhen.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur&_r=1 << after reading this, hard to doubt that here, just as in the chem factory explosion, usg was involved

18:06:05 assbot: Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1PmUK4w )

18:06:21 asciilifeform: just try to wrap your head around the tone of the pravda article

18:06:41 asciilifeform: 'this is what cn gets for trying to be sovereign'

18:11:29 asciilifeform: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/27/technology/when-a-unicorn-start-up-stumbles-its-employees-get-hurt.html << lulzy, nyt reads the logz and rips off mircea_popescu's summaries

18:11:32 assbot: Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1U7cyQq )

18:12:29 asciilifeform: 'Investors and executives generally get protections in a start-up that employees do not. Many investors have preferred stock, a class of shares that can come with a guaranteed payout. Executives frequently get special bonuses so they will not leave during deal talks. ... In contrast, start-up employees generally own common stock, whose payout comes only after those who hold preferred shares get their money. In Good?s case, t

18:12:29 asciilifeform: he board?s preferred stock was worth almost the same as all 227 million common shares outstanding.'

18:12:57 punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351819 << wasn't trying to say that we need/want sql. but as far as dbs go, I've always found sqlite to be a reliable tool and there's no reasonable alternative for most of my use cases. I've never looked at the source, so no comments there.

18:12:57 assbot: Logged on 24-12-2015 14:49:21; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351721 << it is a turd and barely works for the purpose it was designed for. and NO MOTHERFUCKING SQL in bitcoin

18:12:57 asciilifeform: '...a private company with a valuation of more than $1 billion. The high valuation increased the paper value of employee shares ? and thus the income tax bills levied on their stock when they received the stock grants, or when they bought and sold shares. To pay those taxes, some employees emptied savings accounts and borrowed money.'

18:13:27 asciilifeform: punkman: i'm actively de-sqlite-ing a 'small' and - seemingly - reasonable - use case as we speak

18:14:35 punkman: asciilifeform: it does say on the tin that it's not great when you want many concurrent writers

18:14:44 asciilifeform: even 2.

18:15:29 mod6: trinque: werks, http://dpaste.com/12PBTVK.txt

18:15:30 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1U7cOyN )

18:15:43 asciilifeform: 'The Internal Revenue Service levied taxes on some employees when their Good stock was still considered a valuable asset and worth multiples of what they actually received. One person?s tax bill came to more than $80,000, while another paid more than $150,000....'

18:15:57 asciilifeform: riotously lulzy

18:22:05 punkman: asciilifeform: even 2 yes, can only have one writer at a time.

18:22:21 asciilifeform: but this isn't why it sucks for bitcoin

18:22:44 asciilifeform: (why the everliving fuck should there be a sql interpreter in the binary? or runtime interpretation of hardcoded sql proggies ???!!!)

18:23:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55296 @ 0.00050495 = 27.9217 BTC [+] {2}

18:23:39 punkman: sure, unneeded complexity

18:23:46 asciilifeform: it is screaming idiocy.

18:24:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26454 @ 0.00050543 = 13.3706 BTC [+] {2}

18:25:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30412 @ 0.00050157 = 15.2537 BTC [-] {2}

18:31:36 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> 'cnn' hosts spam now ?? <<< the "mainstream media" is sinking, and has been, for twenty years now. there is no bottom for them.

18:31:46 asciilifeform: aha but this was a new mindfuck

18:32:04 asciilifeform: gigantic dir full of straight-out sp4m0l4d3

18:32:18 punkman: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IReport pretty old

18:32:19 assbot: iReport - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1U7e0lE )

18:32:55 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> lulzy, nyt reads the logz and rips off mircea_popescu's summaries <<< then forgets to mention this, muppets sit around and wonder who could this guy be etc.

18:33:43 mircea_popescu: "To pay those taxes, some employees emptied savings accounts and borrowed money." << ahaha loot at the cute chumps!

18:34:35 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> even 2. << 2 is technically many in computing.

18:34:40 asciilifeform: aha!

18:35:09 asciilifeform: quite enough for deadlock

18:35:34 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> (why the everliving fuck should there be a sql interpreter in the binary? or runtime interpretation of hardcoded sql proggies ???!!!) << because at the time satoshbi made it he didn't have a clear design document and the usg stoolies anchored themselves on such chinks in the armor to "extend" and so forth.

18:35:37 asciilifeform: 'if two trains meet one another on a track, neither shall move until the other has passed.' (supposedly from a 1880s american state law)

18:35:54 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: we don't have sql in there now. this was re: the notion of using sqlite.

18:36:21 mircea_popescu: was discussing "runtime interpretation" bit.

18:36:33 mircea_popescu: aka "script"

18:37:15 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> gigantic dir full of straight-out sp4m0l4d3 << surely it was an accident for which nobody paid anyone inside two happy meals.

18:37:41 mircea_popescu: and all the talking heads i fucked to date were not common prostitutes but journalists and so forth.

18:38:53 mircea_popescu: "Page Not Found We?re sorry, we seem to have lost this page, but we don?t want to lose you." << apparently nyt piece you linked diappeared.

18:39:01 asciilifeform: holy shit

18:40:01 punkman: still there for me

18:40:07 asciilifeform: ditto

18:40:31 asciilifeform: https://archive.is/EGfeb

18:40:33 assbot: When a Unicorn Start-Up Stumbles, Its Employees Get Hurt - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1mCjwSQ )

18:40:45 mircea_popescu: https://archive.is/7Ir7f <

18:40:46 assbot: Page Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1mCjxpM )

18:41:19 asciilifeform: see above

18:41:34 asciilifeform: and it still loads here

18:41:43 mircea_popescu: this is bizarre.

18:41:51 asciilifeform: seems like they only ban t3rr0r1stz!!111

18:42:32 mircea_popescu: a wait, html vs htm

18:42:55 ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351774 << conversation wasn't strictly about trb but dbs in general

18:42:55 assbot: Logged on 24-12-2015 14:25:03; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351549 << we don't need a db in the usual, general sense. we need an indexer for the things we need an indexer for.

18:43:13 ben_vulpes: why the everloving fuck would trb care about rtrees

18:43:18 mircea_popescu: "r. In an investor document about the sale that was distributed to shareholders, employees discovered their Good stock was valued at 44 cents a share, down from $4.32 a year earlier. In contrast, preferred stock owned by Good?s venture capitalists was worth almost seven times as much, more than $3 a share."

18:43:19 mircea_popescu: heh.

18:43:28 mircea_popescu: and amusingly enough they can't actually block it.

18:43:30 asciilifeform: trb needs a 'db in the usual, general sense' like it needs a gene sequencer.

18:44:18 mircea_popescu: "Good?s final sale price down to $425 million, less than half of the company?s $1.1 billion private valuation. The paperwork also showed that Good?s board had turned down an $825 million cash offer just six months earlier, in March."

18:44:19 mircea_popescu: ahahaha

18:44:42 ben_vulpes: mhm.

18:44:45 mircea_popescu: oh lordy... please derps, run more SV. mpex not good enough for you, by all means, go for it.

18:45:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24414 @ 0.0005056 = 12.3437 BTC [+] {2}

18:48:21 punkman: http://professional-troublemaker.com/2015/12/24/corbett-sues-tsa-over-new-policy-to-refuse-opt-outs/

18:48:22 assbot: Corbett Sues TSA Over New Policy to Refuse Opt-Outs | Professional Troublemaker ... ( http://bit.ly/1U7f2yb )

18:51:16 mircea_popescu: i don't get it, so the guy rewards the naughty child with attention in the hopes it'll stimulate it to... think about how it's been naughty ?

18:51:46 punkman: "professional troublemaker"

18:51:48 mircea_popescu: it will alright. for as long as TSA disputes end up in federal court rather than in burning baltimore, it'll be thinking right about how well being naughty works for its goals.

18:52:21 mircea_popescu: get a pen, poke TSA's agent eye out.

18:52:32 mircea_popescu: an eye for a scanner, good business.

18:52:47 asciilifeform: see also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2014#770468 , http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-07-2014#753560

18:52:47 assbot: Logged on 26-07-2014 18:48:15; asciilifeform: this is why i simply don't get people who continue to think of their relationship with the u.s. court system in legal, rather than military, terms.

18:52:47 assbot: Logged on 13-07-2014 03:53:10; asciilifeform: BayAreaCoins: what you don't appear to understand is that this is a 'military' puzzle, not a 'legal' puzzle.

18:54:43 asciilifeform: also mircea_popescu would make a first-class army recruiter... for the old jp army! the one where you got one of these, http://www.lonesentry.com/articles/jp_tankhunters/fig1_japanese_lunge_mine_antitank.jpg

18:54:45 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1U7fiNx )

18:54:59 asciilifeform: and 'ohka' plane, 'kaiten' submarine...

18:55:07 asciilifeform: and other man-as-bee apparatus

18:55:41 mircea_popescu: by the time your country has failed to the degree tsa exists, you ARE bee. whether you're ready to admit this or not is entirely in your own mind.

18:56:16 mircea_popescu: "I didn?t want a startup, but an actual business that generates revenue, and Cusoy would not fulfill that personal goal for me without a full-time team, 1-2+ years of funding, multiple years of hard work (3-5+ years at the very least?) trying to answer the if/when questions of whether or not Cusoy could make money (very expensive questions too, might I add ? not only in money but time, my most valuable asset).

18:56:17 mircea_popescu:

18:56:17 mircea_popescu: While I know there might be a possibility I could hustle incredibly hard and try to set up partnerships, the time investment required far outweighed the already incredibly slim chances of generating revenue."

18:56:21 mircea_popescu: holy shit, someone's not entirely dumb ?!

18:56:45 asciilifeform: i guess he realized he was a bee

18:56:47 asciilifeform: or sumthing

18:57:17 mircea_popescu: "|Yes, Yelp has a tag for ?gluten free? but it only has 44 restaurants in San Francisco with that tag (do it yourself if you don?t believe me and NYC actually has double the number of restaurants tagged gluten-free), which is a very low and deceiving number."

18:57:28 mircea_popescu: motherfucker, the entire city of buenos aires has like... ONE actual restaurant.

18:58:25 mircea_popescu: "More importantly, it does a terrible job of giving people like me actual relevant information for gluten free: Does the restaurant train its staff? Do they have separate cutters for their gluten free pizza? Are they flexible and accommodating? Do they have a separate gluten free menu? What ingredients do they use? etc."

18:58:30 mircea_popescu: srsly ?

18:59:24 asciilifeform: meanwhile, usg unzips wallet and http://www.wsj.com/articles/palantir-technologies-raises-further-200-million-1450920952

18:59:25 assbot: Palantir Technologies Raises Further $200 Million - WSJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1mCl8Mg )

18:59:32 asciilifeform: (this on top of existing, what, 500m from cia)

19:00:01 mircea_popescu: "III. WHY I SHUT IT DOWN (ALTERNATIVELY, WHAT I WOULD?VE NEEDED TO CONTINUE). Four reasons (in order of least to most important): No team ; No funding ; No longer aligned with my personal goals anymore ; No clear or predictable way to sustainability (B2C is extremely, extremely hard to monetize)"

19:00:20 mircea_popescu: reminds me of that https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpbYCfCfT1Y monologue

19:00:21 assbot: Seinfeld: No resources, no skill, no talent - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1mCle6P )

19:00:22 asciilifeform: 'i woke up in a ditch in drunken haze and with a company, i have no idea why i have it'

19:00:35 mircea_popescu: tellingly, the nut in there ALSO thought time was the true issue. because hey, everyone's time is valuable now, in lalaland.

19:00:52 mircea_popescu: "1. No team. It?s really hard to do a startup by yourself, especially if you?re a non-technical founder. No kidding, right? However, being non-technical wasn?t my excuse since WordPress came to the rescue and I basically bought the development through using cost-effective themes."

19:00:57 mircea_popescu: holy shit check that crazy out.

19:01:05 mircea_popescu: wordpress themes TECHNOLOGY ?

19:01:37 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if you're wondering why the figure's so low (srsly, palantir raises 200mn, whatsap sells for 20bn ?), the reason'd be that most of this has to be actual turkey buying dollars.

19:01:52 asciilifeform: hey, to an illiterate cave dweller all voodoo is the same, aluminum airplane or straw airplane

19:02:06 mircea_popescu: straw aluminum alloy!

19:02:15 mircea_popescu: hightech composite!

19:02:19 asciilifeform: and why does it have to be actual dollarz? most of it goes right back to rent racket

19:02:31 asciilifeform: like mains current

19:02:31 punkman: I saw gluten-free bread in the local bakery earlier this year. The only bread that had a brochure and brand-name. Didn't last long.

19:02:56 mircea_popescu: punkman the story of the bread ?

19:03:10 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform complicated. but their key people don't actually buy into the stupid.

19:03:20 asciilifeform: incidentally, maslennikov derisively cites kgb indoctrination ('in the west, yes, they pay you 5k usd/mo, but most of it will be spent on house and medicine') as if it were somehow false

19:03:29 asciilifeform: quite like other post-sov folks

19:03:42 asciilifeform: somebody oughta drag them, kicking and screaming, to washington, and make'em live here

19:03:50 mircea_popescu: hahahaha

19:03:54 mircea_popescu: why the fuck would they do that ?

19:03:58 mircea_popescu: they just move on. say to mexico.

19:04:05 asciilifeform: well m moved to kr

19:04:07 mircea_popescu: who's incidentally already pushing pretty hard.

19:04:16 punkman: mircea_popescu: more along the lines of "Why don't you try being a gluten-tard? Might be just the thing for you"

19:04:28 mircea_popescu: "We hired a local operations manager in Denver (Sasha Juliard) and soon launched at Shotgun Willie?s (the highest-grossing strip club in CO) and two other bars. We made about $1,200 on each deal (50% went to DexOne, we spent $800 on each launch event and we had $500 in hardware costs), this was the only sales revenue Flowtab ever made. We were tightening up our sales process, but it was hard to market ourselves prope

19:04:29 mircea_popescu: rly in those bars without being there. It quickly become a distraction to our operations in San Francisco."

19:04:33 mircea_popescu: holy shit, what ?

19:04:58 mircea_popescu: "flowtab joined my two life's passions, inept geekery and strip clubs"

19:06:24 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1352205 << the beautiful magic involved here is that it is ~actually possible~ to, in some cases, give yourself various dietarytardisms by 'trying'

19:06:24 assbot: Logged on 24-12-2015 19:04:16; punkman: mircea_popescu: more along the lines of "Why don't you try being a gluten-tard? Might be just the thing for you"

19:06:29 asciilifeform: esp. if you're a kid

19:07:00 mircea_popescu: yup. take chicken liver. i love it. so does everyone who had sane enough parents to have it as a kid.

19:07:04 asciilifeform: rather like a sort of inverted dope addiction

19:07:05 mircea_popescu: you know who can't stand it ? everyone else.

19:07:24 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: funnily i loved it as a kid, then did not have it for some years, and now can no longer stand it

19:07:29 mircea_popescu: aha.

19:07:50 *: mircea_popescu forces slavegirls to eat livers. it's a show, i tell you.

19:08:06 asciilifeform: perhaps one day i will be fortunate enough to crash on an island and eat livers of neighbours and will enjoy it again

19:08:23 mircea_popescu: lol

19:08:25 mircea_popescu: "Partnering with a uni friend, we pitched our concept to a whole bunch of web developers we knew. The challenge we posed was that it couldn?t be customisation by drop-down list or radio buttons (solutions we were offered repeatedly). This was 2005. We needed to show customers high-quality photographic customisation, where every selection changes your product. Custom-made product required a strict no-refund policy, so

19:08:26 mircea_popescu: customers needed to see exactly what they were going to get.

19:08:28 mircea_popescu: All of them said the site we wanted was impossible, apart from one who quoted upward of $40k for build, excluding the photography and image editing that would be needed. At this stage we only had $20k total capital for the entire venture — sampling, pattern making, inventory and production. So my co-founder taught herself to code. She worked day and night — we did all the operational planning during busines

19:08:35 mircea_popescu: s hours, and when I went off to a night job managing a restaurant, she?d code, with Sex and the City for company, until 1 or 2am when I stumbled in again from night shift."

19:08:38 mircea_popescu: see ? the women are okay.

19:08:40 mircea_popescu: it's the men that are the fucking problem.

19:09:27 ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351781 << quite

19:09:27 assbot: Logged on 24-12-2015 14:31:29; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351554 << i will take no part in anything involving java in whatever capacity.

19:09:52 punkman: mircea_popescu: link to that?

19:09:59 *: ben_vulpes waves at Naphex

19:10:04 mircea_popescu: "Why did we launch with 12 million variants? Because we thought we needed to. Would the market have been happy to customise just the length? If we’d done proper validation, we would have known, that yes, it would have been happy — thrilled even. It only became apparent, too late, that 90% of our orders were for very typical jeans from atypically tall women. Stonewashed stovepipes with a 36-inch leg, anyone?"

19:10:11 mircea_popescu: *I* could have fucking tell you that.

19:10:14 mircea_popescu: jesus.

19:10:21 mircea_popescu: punkman https://medium.com/@markbarwald/internet-startup-lessons-from-failure-995d0285e8ba

19:10:22 assbot: Internet Startup: Lessons from failure — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1mClSRM )

19:12:12 punkman: speaking of clothing and software, there really is nothing reasonable out there

19:12:55 mircea_popescu: myeah.

19:12:56 mircea_popescu: "So we decided to wholesale, on the condition we could establish a cost-effective supply chain. This might all seem like a juvenile, ill-informed, poorly researched, gamble. And it was mostly, but I heard an irrepressible voice day and night,asking what if it works?

19:12:56 mircea_popescu: We added a line of jersey basics to our denim line, packed up our lives, ended the lease on our house, loaded our portfolios and patterns into suitcases and boarded a plane for Malaysia, where I had some contacts in the manufacturing industry. At one factory after another, we were wooed by the boss, we got the grand tour, we were asked our volume projections?. and we were shown the door. Our (very inflated) annual fo

19:12:57 mircea_popescu: recast of 5000 units per style was daily output for these guys."

19:13:38 mircea_popescu: "The single factory willing to work with us said they?d quote on our items while showing us around the facility. When our guide accidentally led us full-circle, we caught their product team copying our patterns and that was the end of our sourcing trip."

19:13:39 mircea_popescu: ahahaha

19:14:05 asciilifeform: the funny part is, a machine that '3d scans' your carcass and stitches a reasonable suit, is entirely possible from technical pov and would cost what a garbage truck costs, at the most. but you will sooner see a machine that serves you your own liver to eat, than this

19:14:36 mircea_popescu: how you figure ?

19:14:42 asciilifeform: which half ?

19:14:47 punkman: both

19:14:50 mircea_popescu: the latter.

19:15:15 *: mircea_popescu has enough experience with 1990s state of the art 3d modelling for games on basis of laser scanning nude female models to not need the first part explaiend.

19:15:39 asciilifeform: i'd rather hear mircea_popescu's hypothesis re: why said machine does not presently exist, first

19:16:07 mircea_popescu: why didn't "Better Homes And Gardens" exist in 1980 Moscow ?

19:16:09 asciilifeform: mine - reduces to the 'excluded middle' discussed in the old thread

19:16:16 mircea_popescu: a) the people who had a dacha were happy as is, no need to chase it

19:16:21 mircea_popescu: b) nobody gave a shit about the peons. srsly.

19:16:31 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this would make sense except that it DID exist

19:16:37 asciilifeform: and even there was a car mag !

19:16:41 mircea_popescu: heh.

19:16:44 mircea_popescu: circulation 45 ?

19:16:46 punkman: static scan doesn't give enough information for tailor, never mind machine designer

19:16:49 asciilifeform: massive circulation

19:16:57 *: mircea_popescu slept through this.

19:17:01 asciilifeform: every car owner was a 'gearhead' by necessity

19:17:08 mircea_popescu: punkman i never had a tailor go "breathe in" "now exhale" before.

19:17:27 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://www.zr.ru/archive/zr

19:17:30 assbot: Архив журнала За Рулем ... ( http://bit.ly/1mCmsPr )

19:17:37 punkman: mircea_popescu: you gotta at least move your limbs a bit, no?

19:17:41 asciilifeform: punkman: who said anything about static, necessarily

19:17:48 mircea_popescu: not really, no. you're supposed to stand naturally.

19:17:51 mircea_popescu: you ever been fitted for a suit ?

19:18:02 punkman: nope

19:18:10 mircea_popescu: mkay.

19:19:47 asciilifeform: http://www.zr.ru/archive/zr/1988/09/planiruietsia-zastoi#1 << hey check out this lulfest, folks wide awake to the automotive slavery of usa

19:19:49 assbot: ПЛАНИРУЕТСЯ ЗАСТОЙ? - Сентябрь 1988 года - архив За рулем ... ( http://bit.ly/1U7gBfy )

19:20:22 mircea_popescu: "More importantly though, people really didn?t really LIKE anything about our product. No one that used the service thought it was that cool. In fact, some people that participated in the sale didn?t even like our ?dynamic pricing? system."

19:20:27 mircea_popescu: look at that.

19:21:01 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: many 'startup' schmucks actually plan to make a 'product' which lusers simply stumble into, like flies into a carnivorous plant

19:21:17 asciilifeform: (hoping to emulate, perhaps, 'mcdonalds' or other cattle industry)

19:21:25 mircea_popescu: nobody likes mcdonalds.

19:21:39 asciilifeform: nobody likes irs either

19:21:41 asciilifeform: but there it is.

19:21:43 mircea_popescu: aha.

19:21:56 mircea_popescu: hard to beat "cheap calories" as a warm blooded lifeform.

19:23:01 mircea_popescu: "Our first beta test was a disaster when Amazon (who was our payment processor) suspended our account for not complying with money transfer issues. Fans were able to participate in the sale, but we were unable to capture their billing. We ended up paying the artist out of our own pocket and giving everyone his music for free (and we never told him that happened until now)." <<< derps were going to bypass amazon on an a

19:23:02 mircea_popescu: mazon platform.

19:23:27 mircea_popescu: We should have packed it up early right then, but we felt like we had already gone too far to quit. We rebuilt (and re-designed) the majority of the software, got approved by Amazon, and reached out to over 1,700 artists (each individually through different platforms). We got between 1 and 10 artists interested. Again, this just screams ?PUT IT OUT OF ITS MISERY!? But we kept going.

19:25:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54800 @ 0.00050519 = 27.6844 BTC [-]

19:26:55 mircea_popescu: "Out of the picture: why the world's best photo startup is going out of business. Everpix was great. This is how it died. The immediate concern in the room was a forthcoming bill from Amazon Web Services, which hosts the 400 million photos stored with Everpix; the team estimated the bill would be about $35,000."

19:27:04 mircea_popescu: dude wtf, a) never heard of it and b) it fucking sucked, get lost.

19:27:43 mircea_popescu: if you pay 35k monthly for hardware you'd better be doing something more interesting than "we store 400 million photos"

19:28:08 asciilifeform: 'we stored 400 million dick shots for ft meade but they forgot to agree to pay us'

19:28:35 mod6: Alexandar's private collection

19:29:14 mircea_popescu: very shitty business to be in actually.

19:29:32 mircea_popescu: people take pictures in total violation of the economic cost of the energy expenditure for the camera, let alone any other considerations.

19:29:39 mircea_popescu: to involve yourself in this is madness

19:29:53 asciilifeform: guess what, they also eat and breathe in total violation of the economic cost...

19:29:58 asciilifeform: even... make moar of themselves

19:30:13 mircea_popescu: "By 2009 both men had left Apple and were working at Cooliris, which makes photo viewing software. Latour set up an office for Cooliris in Japan, and after spending some time traveling through Asia with his girlfriend, he became frustrated with how difficult it was to store and organize all the photos he was taking. He discussed an early idea for a product with Quennesson, who was interested in using math and science t

19:30:14 mircea_popescu: o create better photo software."

19:30:16 mircea_popescu: for fucks sake.

19:30:32 mircea_popescu: after reading that sort of nonsense i half expect the author has some "science" in a jar in his basement

19:30:36 mircea_popescu: keeps adding it to foods and whatnot.

19:31:18 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and for this exact reason medicine is a losing proposition. except THAT gets swept up into "obamacare" and so on. there's not going to be an obamacare for photographolalia, your ft meade wet dreams notwithstanding.

19:31:33 asciilifeform: obamacares are a temporary thing

19:31:39 mircea_popescu: here's a fun fact : the classical gestapo didn't know what to do to keep the idiot population from givingthem tips.

19:31:46 mircea_popescu: the current version's in no different shape

19:31:54 asciilifeform: the schmucks wanted to ride the good times while they lasted

19:32:15 mircea_popescu: Quennesson had noted that the more photos he took, the less likely he was ever to look at any one of them ever again. "People take more and more photos, but paradoxically, they become more and more disconnected from them," he said last month in a conference room at their co-working space. "You don?t want to go back to this whole life that you?ve captured, which is counterintuitive. It's the most important thing ?

19:32:15 mircea_popescu: it?s your life! So there?s this obvious problem."

19:32:20 mircea_popescu: this is diagnosable insanity.

19:32:46 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the other gestapo did not suffer from delusions of machine learning!1111111111 to help them process somehow infinite tips into an edible portion

19:34:01 mircea_popescu: ironically, it did, but anyway.

19:39:34 asciilifeform: wai wut

19:39:51 asciilifeform: contrary to the ibm legend, there was no nazi palantir.

19:40:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31900 @ 0.00050136 = 15.9934 BTC [-] {2}

19:41:38 asciilifeform: re: photographolalia: interesting to note how the psychology of photo changed over time:

19:41:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78174 @ 0.00049952 = 39.0495 BTC [-] {2}

19:42:23 asciilifeform: when emigres (incl. my own parents) packed up, they burned old photos (that would not fit, folks have ludicrously fat binders of these; or for whatever reason not brought along for the ride)

19:42:38 asciilifeform: i never fully understood the reason for this peculiar (and foul smelling! try it) custom

19:42:43 asciilifeform: but there it was

19:42:54 asciilifeform: 'you wouldn't leave'em for the rubbish men'

19:43:13 asciilifeform: sorta like a continuation of the - legendary - indian tribe who 'camera steals your soul'

19:44:00 asciilifeform: whereas today people will spam their photo to all-comers.

19:44:08 asciilifeform: (equally incomprehensible imho)

19:47:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41310 @ 0.00050578 = 20.8938 BTC [+]

19:47:53 asciilifeform: ;;later tell ben_vulpes http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/10/18_static-compilation-woes.html << is that... a chick's hand-writing ?!

19:47:54 assbot: static compilation woes ... ( http://bit.ly/1MTT5Cd )

19:47:54 gribble: The operation succeeded.

19:52:00 asciilifeform: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/06/21_a-tour-of-bitcoind-booting-to-its-first-thread.html << would be neat to see an updated this

19:52:02 assbot: a tour of bitcoind booting to its first thread ... ( http://bit.ly/1ONsjId )

19:55:24 shinohai: ^ got to say, his bash scripting is art

19:56:44 mod6: mircea_popescu: going back to the .wot dir being created by default in the `pwd` of V : I would think that perhaps .seals should go in the same place as well; `pwd`.

19:57:03 mod6: Any thoughts there?

19:57:04 asciilifeform: mod6: why is .wot dir ever created automatically ?

19:57:13 mod6: its not

19:57:15 mod6: we've been through this.

19:57:20 *: asciilifeform digs in log

19:57:31 punkman: /me has cases of negatives and film slides, looked into digitizing, came back with ain't nobody got time for that

19:57:50 asciilifeform: punkman: a very reasonable film scanner costs a few hundy

19:57:55 mod6: errr. wait.

19:58:04 mod6: maybe it just doesn't pull the keys any more.

19:58:07 *: mod6 looks at cod.e

19:58:34 punkman: asciilifeform: mostly slides, much more work

19:58:40 mod6: someone is gonna have to take over V

19:59:01 mod6: like Mr. P. said, there is no way I'm gonna be able to keep up with all of the feature requests here as well.

19:59:01 shinohai: But that is perl wizardry ...

20:01:42 mod6: ok, No, the .wot dir must be created by hand.

20:02:00 asciilifeform: this is the Right Thing.

20:02:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69890 @ 0.00050645 = 35.3958 BTC [+]

20:03:16 mod6: yeah, the documentation says that you need to 'create a ~/.wot directory' -- which will have to change, but 'you need to create' is the hint in there.

20:04:10 shinohai: Been a few weeks but I manually created it and added everyones keys, but once I made it everything works fine

20:04:15 asciilifeform: pubkeys really oughta live in rom.

20:04:17 asciilifeform: eventually.

20:06:10 asciilifeform: incidentally, why was there never (afaik) an attempt at a laser-programmed fpga ?

20:06:14 asciilifeform: or even fuse rom

20:06:24 asciilifeform: (laser-writable fuse rom, that is)

20:06:37 asciilifeform: we have the optics.

20:06:41 asciilifeform: they cost, what, ten bux.

20:07:43 asciilifeform: one bonus is that it'd be optically-inspectable, too.

20:08:00 asciilifeform: (just picture something like a small cdrom but with si underneath)

20:13:44 asciilifeform: ;;later tell punkman was it you who submitted the patch that removes all remaining wxisms ? if so, would you consider rewriting as a vpatch ?

20:13:44 gribble: The operation succeeded.

20:13:52 *: asciilifeform is tired of seeing wxisms in the viewer

20:14:09 punkman: asciilifeform: I rewrote and it's there

20:14:14 asciilifeform: in the ml ?

20:14:22 punkman: yep

20:14:33 punkman: in the debug_sanity patch

20:14:40 asciilifeform: does it merge into the existing bleeding edge without complaint ?

20:15:07 punkman: haven't tried

20:15:27 asciilifeform: speaking of which, we still need a thing where folks can drop in vpatches and sigs and redraws the flow graph

20:15:40 *: asciilifeform has, unsurprisingly, a half-written unusable version of this

20:16:34 mod6: ok so i changed the changes: .wot and .seals in the present working directory, unless specified otherwise. Also I've added the checking of the hashes post-press. **EXPERIMENTAL ONLY** Will post new, signed version [v99996] once fully tested.

20:16:46 mod6: http://dpaste.com/12M99KB.txt

20:16:48 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1QKF78y )

20:16:54 asciilifeform: mod6: neato

20:17:15 mod6: here's the hash for v99997: 0810eb4c7209900b3eb7b96fc7b9bfa437360581586e7d073ebc4f2cf88f13f2cafe9340ef5b8953dc43b288e4f74da3d7973998755466252225b5103c72bb99

20:17:27 mod6: If you add the above patch, you should end up with:

20:17:32 punkman: asciilifeform: here http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-September/000166.html

20:17:33 assbot: [BTC-dev] Some test patches and my V implementation ... ( http://bit.ly/1NZjGPg )

20:17:43 mod6: 11ece4221d6264bef4e17805e549f686b575142227aff9a00cd379110ccfcc56096a5b6924c9f614c2c6823bd687f876142b115b0d30da17c237e663deb04f11

20:17:57 mod6: vpatch also declares this at the top.

20:17:58 mod6: :]

20:18:51 asciilifeform: punkman: ah i recall

20:19:11 asciilifeform: punkman: i like this patch except imho 1) patches ought to do One Thing 2) printf hardcoded to stdout is Wrong Thing

20:19:22 mod6: <+asciilifeform> speaking of which, we still need a thing where folks can drop in vpatches and sigs and redraws the flow graph << mine does this.

20:19:28 mod6: just have to tell it to draw the graph again.

20:19:32 asciilifeform: mod6: i meant on trb www site

20:19:37 mod6: oh.

20:19:39 asciilifeform: as in, a place where i can go & drop it in

20:19:51 asciilifeform: and then punkman doesn't end up writing a patch that needlessly conflicts (or vice versa)

20:19:53 mod6: ah, gotcha

20:19:58 asciilifeform: y'know, sorta like heathen versionatrons do

20:20:03 asciilifeform: except with actual crypto

20:20:12 mod6: yeah, we need something for that.

20:20:31 asciilifeform: replacement for turdatron.

20:21:10 mod6: well, the ML has a place - although, the filename munging would be nice to go away.

20:21:22 punkman: asciilifeform: printf is redefined though and is how everything goes to log

20:21:25 mod6: but.. yeah, a separate thing that could be fed for this purpose would be super great

20:21:28 asciilifeform: punkman: ah

20:21:59 asciilifeform: btw my gcc does not like redefined printf etc

20:22:47 punkman: one thing to watch out for is that I replaced some wxMessageBox(_("Error:") things with fprintf(stderr, "Error:"), which I have no idea why now

20:24:15 punkman: I assume those won't end up in debug log

20:25:28 mod6: all: btw, if you do use the above test patch for V, please remember you may need to run a dos2unix on the dpaste [dpaste.com/12M99KB.txt]

20:25:31 mod6: first

20:25:37 asciilifeform: ugh

20:25:52 asciilifeform: has anybody here written own 'pastebin' ?

20:25:59 asciilifeform: (perhaps i missed this)

20:26:08 mod6: anyway, i'll keep testing on this for a bit and see how it goes. and if all is well, i'll repost the entire thing (including the few changes to the automated tests) to the ML

20:26:14 punkman: also need own browser, because they tend to add \r

20:26:23 mod6: <+asciilifeform> has anybody here written own 'pastebin' ? << we desperately need this.

20:26:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38000 @ 0.00050023 = 19.0087 BTC [-]

20:26:32 asciilifeform: punkman: afaik 'curl' does not

20:26:58 punkman: https://github.com/bartTC/dpaste

20:26:59 assbot: bartTC/dpaste · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1QKG4he )

20:27:13 asciilifeform: ick turdlibs

20:27:33 punkman: https://github.com/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=pastebin long list

20:27:34 assbot: Search · pastebin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1QKG94t )

20:30:58 asciilifeform: ideally a tmsr 'pastebin' would take input by gpg --encrypt --recipient thingspubkey... | curl -X POST ...

20:31:32 punkman: https://clbin.com/

20:31:33 assbot: clbin: command line pastebin. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Okh3T9 )

20:32:05 asciilifeform: or how phuctor submission also worked

20:32:27 asciilifeform: (the curl part, that is)

20:38:15 mod6: cool

20:38:32 mod6: https://clbin.com/IidZ7

20:38:33 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1OkheOm )

20:43:24 mod6: and also noteworthy: `curl -s https://clbin.com/IidZ7 | xxd | grep "0d0a" | wc -l` returns 0

20:43:25 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1OkheOm )

20:43:48 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1352312 << the equivalent i had in mind was their very meticulous document processing technology.

20:43:48 assbot: Logged on 24-12-2015 19:39:51; asciilifeform: contrary to the ibm legend, there was no nazi palantir.

20:43:54 mircea_popescu: was later imported and known as "the fbi"

20:45:05 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1352330 << i guess. my main concern is that i do not wish to see absolute paths. as long as it puts the stuff somewhere relative to current dir i'm happy.

20:45:05 assbot: Logged on 24-12-2015 19:56:44; mod6: mircea_popescu: going back to the .wot dir being created by default in the `pwd` of V : I would think that perhaps .seals should go in the same place as well; `pwd`.

20:46:17 mod6: ok cool. my latest patch should do just that.

20:46:27 mircea_popescu: win.

20:46:31 mod6: i'll test a bit as I said and then re-publish a new one when complet.e

20:46:45 mircea_popescu: dun stress out mod6, looking great here.

20:47:12 mod6: yup. no sweat. just wanna stay on top of the V changes, so I can get to the many R.I. things :]

20:47:38 mircea_popescu: hehe

20:47:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 104605 @ 0.00050534 = 52.8611 BTC [+] {4}

20:49:00 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1352382 << the concept is sound, however mind that we don't end up with as many patches as linechanges. "one thing" should be liberally construed, "removing remaining wxisms" seems a one thing for me.

20:49:00 assbot: Logged on 24-12-2015 20:19:11; asciilifeform: punkman: i like this patch except imho 1) patches ought to do One Thing 2) printf hardcoded to stdout is Wrong Thing

20:49:33 mod6: punkman: any idea how long clbin will hold these pastes?

20:49:57 mircea_popescu: wasn't it one week ?

20:50:32 mod6: oh is that all

20:50:33 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1352416 << sounds kinda like replicated deedbot by now ?

20:50:33 assbot: Logged on 24-12-2015 20:30:58; asciilifeform: ideally a tmsr 'pastebin' would take input by gpg --encrypt --recipient thingspubkey... | curl -X POST ...

20:51:20 mircea_popescu: This year HBR changed the evaluation criteria from "stock price only"1 to an agglomeration of fuzzy metrics that include stock price in addition to Sustainalytics' proprietary "goodness evaluation" metrics.

20:51:23 mircea_popescu: ahahaha what the fuck.

20:51:48 mircea_popescu: "Jeff Bezos of Amazon has, according to HBR, toppled from #1 to #87 in their list of Best Performing CEOs."

20:51:57 mircea_popescu: aha, and now we understand teh point of the entire exercise.

20:52:05 mircea_popescu: nothing the socialist mob hates more than competence.

20:53:41 mircea_popescu: "All Nature is but Art, unknown to thee;

20:53:41 mircea_popescu: All chance, direction, which thou canst not see

20:53:41 mircea_popescu: All discord, harmony not understood,

20:53:41 mircea_popescu: All partial evil, universal good:

20:53:41 mircea_popescu: And, spite of pride, in erring reason's spite,

20:53:42 mircea_popescu: One truth is clear, whatever is, is right."

20:53:43 mircea_popescu: pope ftw.

20:54:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90400 @ 0.00050333 = 45.501 BTC [-] {2}

20:55:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15300 @ 0.00049885 = 7.6324 BTC [-]

20:57:04 mod6: trinque: could deedbot be easily copied and modified to just have variable paste retention into a webdir or db of some kind? it wouldn't send to the blockchain like deedbot. then we could just have our own `pastebot'? is this dumb?

20:57:10 mod6: Don't wanna make more work, just curious.

20:57:36 mircea_popescu: why specifically NOT send it ?

20:58:03 mod6: well, i thought we didn't want to send up all farts into the blockchain.

20:58:22 mod6: sometimes, a guy just has to derp around

20:58:41 mod6: i make plenty of errors that I don't want to chisel into stone. :]

21:01:11 mod6: maybe a dumb idea. and maybe it can't be easily modified to do that.

21:01:22 *: mod6 will think on it.

21:02:34 mircea_popescu: technically speaking all that goes into the chain is 32 bytes per paste

21:02:54 mircea_popescu: moreover, there's no extra cost for adding more items to one block

21:03:05 mircea_popescu: hm... well, other than the cost of keeping the stuff around forever to verify blocks.

21:03:11 mircea_popescu: yeah maybe putting them in is a bad idea.

21:05:05 mircea_popescu: "Socialists revile the church not for its promulgation of irrational faith but because historically churches have championed the improvement of the world as a thing that the devoted do?not a thing which may (or even should) be outsourced to le etat." << quite exactly.

21:05:48 mircea_popescu: in general, socal ditz does not call the other socal ditz "like, totally, a slut" for any other reason than you know, the slut getting the attention of the boys she wanted for herself.

21:09:10 mircea_popescu: " any increase in return that?s attributable merely to an improvement in the local stock market;" << i wish to know on what planet these people live where there's "local" stock markets.

21:10:31 mircea_popescu: !up dub

21:11:22 dub: hallo

21:11:34 shinohai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1352462 <<< I don't like clutter, but if it pisses Luke-Jr off so much the better.

21:11:34 assbot: Logged on 24-12-2015 20:58:03; mod6: well, i thought we didn't want to send up all farts into the blockchain.

21:11:42 mircea_popescu: hola.

21:12:02 mircea_popescu: shinohai the problem is that for someone to later verify the bundle deed one needs to keep the whole bundle.

21:19:47 shinohai: Understandable.

21:20:10 mircea_popescu: "But we never defined clear hypotheses, developed experiments, and we rarely had meaningful conversations with our target end-users. And while we had some wonderful advisors in the parking industry, we should have met with everyone we could get our hands on. Worst, we rarely got out of the building."

21:20:28 mircea_popescu: this is not a trend among the newly "creative" worthless class, not getting out of the building.

21:20:43 mircea_popescu: these idiots aim to "revolutionize", "improve" and ultimately save a world they do not wish to ever see.

21:21:06 deedbot-: [fraudsters] Moment poetic - http://fraudsters.com/2015/moment-poetic-2/

21:21:14 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1352438 << was precisely what i meant.

21:21:14 assbot: Logged on 24-12-2015 20:49:00; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1352382 << the concept is sound, however mind that we don't end up with as many patches as linechanges. "one thing" should be liberally construed, "removing remaining wxisms" seems a one thing for me.

21:21:29 asciilifeform: but original was 'debug sanity' and did 2 very distinct, separable things, in 1 patch, which imho is mistake

21:22:07 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1352443 << no!! because deedbot requires privkey use during paste, which is very arduous if you have good hygiene

21:22:07 assbot: Logged on 24-12-2015 20:50:33; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1352416 << sounds kinda like replicated deedbot by now ?

21:22:21 asciilifeform: there is no need to sign all pastes, this actually is the opposite of a pastebin

21:22:27 mircea_popescu: true.

21:22:29 asciilifeform: a pastebin is an anon crud accumulator

21:23:00 mircea_popescu: yea

21:28:14 punkman: asciilifeform: but original was 'debug sanity' and did 2 very distinct, separable things, in 1 patch, which imho is mistake << agreed, but most of the wx crap was related to debug

21:29:15 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1352473 << same planet that has 'local' wots

21:29:15 assbot: Logged on 24-12-2015 21:09:10; mircea_popescu: " any increase in return that?s attributable merely to an improvement in the local stock market;" << i wish to know on what planet these people live where there's "local" stock markets.

21:29:29 mircea_popescu: wut ?

21:29:32 asciilifeform: and perhaps local arithmetic

21:30:01 asciilifeform: where the decrease of the chocolate ration adds up to an increase of fiddy grams, as per orwell

21:30:23 asciilifeform: 'here in zimbabwe we do not use white man logic'

21:30:42 mircea_popescu: https://medium.com/work-education/play-by-your-own-rules-6152adc41de9 <<< anyone actually ever fucking heard of "gowalla" ?

21:30:43 assbot: Play by your own rules. — Work & Education — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1SeHyiN )

21:30:43 mircea_popescu: da fuck.

21:30:54 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i guess heh.

21:30:55 asciilifeform: any relation to 'dwolla' ?

21:30:59 mircea_popescu: none that i can see

21:31:12 asciilifeform: besides the seeping pseudoafricanization

21:31:15 mircea_popescu: apparently that pointless foursquare thing is somehow a success that had it's own wanna-bes that meanwhile died.

21:31:24 mircea_popescu: it's apparently very hard to underestimate just how little these people do with their time.

21:31:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32700 @ 0.00050669 = 16.5688 BTC [+]

21:31:42 asciilifeform: i'm not certain this circus actually soaks up their time

21:31:59 asciilifeform: judging by how much time these folks have remaining to soak up on reddit etc

21:32:09 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't think it's africanization, to me it seems very ... surfer culture, to be honest. the whole trend with walla this and palooza that traces back to that idiotic aussie band of the 90s wtf was it called.

21:32:24 asciilifeform: idk the consonant clusters scream 'nigerian spam'

21:32:39 asciilifeform: mbwebwengabwebew...etc...

21:32:47 mircea_popescu: w is a vowel.

21:33:01 asciilifeform: dipthong

21:33:18 mircea_popescu: yeah

21:33:33 punkman: -walla is from indian word I think

21:33:44 asciilifeform: as seen in film 'slumdog millionaire'

21:33:48 mircea_popescu: "The growing public attention sparked by the investment became both a heaven and a hell. On one hand, during the course of Gowalla?s life we received more tech press coverage than is right and holy for any startup. On the other, I dare you to find a post about Gowalla that doesn't mention Foursquare."

21:33:49 asciilifeform: 'chaiwalla', 'phonewalla'

21:34:04 mircea_popescu: heh. here's the thing : by far the finest alcohol available in this country is havana club 7 yo.

21:34:12 asciilifeform: lulzy film btw

21:34:14 asciilifeform: has mircea_popescu seen ?

21:34:34 mircea_popescu: some bright minds decided to advertise it. they actually paid money to get outdoor space, and on it they're selling... rum and cola. huge, block lettered 4 stage recipe, 3rd being "bebida cola".

21:34:51 mircea_popescu: fucktards are advertising coca cola with their own money, out of every single drink coca cola makes a dollar fifty if they make a dollar.

21:35:20 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform apparently yes, had to ask teh womenz. really fucking retarded movie.

21:35:22 asciilifeform: this was covered in an old mircea_popescu article about early mobile phonez

21:35:37 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: but it was ~about~ turd world tardation

21:35:53 asciilifeform: said right on the box.

21:35:57 mircea_popescu: as someone who actually fucks third worlders, i do not buy this.

21:36:08 asciilifeform: india?!

21:36:12 mircea_popescu: it's about california being dumb in a different color scheme , i guess.

21:36:17 mircea_popescu: what, where do you think the gypsies come from ?

21:36:42 asciilifeform: as much relation to modern india as modern italy to the etruscans

21:37:11 mircea_popescu: phenotypically ?

21:37:15 mircea_popescu: not that far off!

21:37:22 asciilifeform: begins & ends there.

21:37:36 mircea_popescu: or did i misconstrue your question and you weren't asking something along the lines of "how COULD you stick your penis in brown!!1"

21:37:49 asciilifeform: was specifically re: turd world

21:38:00 asciilifeform: which is - or soon to be - mostly white folks

21:38:01 mircea_popescu: maybe that's the issue. what "turd world" ? third world ?

21:38:14 asciilifeform: 3rd, but with omnipresent public turds

21:38:17 asciilifeform: as pictured in the film

21:38:30 asciilifeform: go six blocks and see eight open air turds

21:38:36 asciilifeform: smell 78.

21:39:24 mircea_popescu: that thing only exists in trona, ca.

21:39:27 mircea_popescu: srsly.

21:39:55 mircea_popescu: btw - ever seen the movie ? Just Add Water

21:40:07 asciilifeform: nein

21:40:44 mircea_popescu: it's about this world. a small town next to bakersfield (a sort of california's own ohio)

21:43:59 shinohai: So this showed up in my shinohai@nigge.rs mailbox: https://vc.gg/blog/im-moving-to-romania/

21:43:59 assbot: I’m Moving to Romania | Vincent Canfield's Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1SeIDqP )

21:44:54 *: asciilifeform once watched an american sp4mz0r do this

21:47:21 asciilifeform: (from commentz) 'I work as a sysadmin. I got my remote position by working in an office and getting to know everyone, and getting myself in a position where all of my work can be done remotely. Even though I?m near the office should I need to go in, I work from home since there?s not really any need. Other ways include freelance / contract work, or just outright applying for a remote-hire position. There are lots of fully-

21:47:21 asciilifeform: decentralized companies out there, you just have to find them.'

21:47:48 asciilifeform: this fella is a sysadmin, but not on call during american business hours? ... or is he ?

21:49:10 asciilifeform: phun phakt: virtually all american 'health insurance' is void abroad

21:49:40 mircea_popescu: lol " The Maine college drop-out, 21, at center of hoax terrorist threat emails sent to schools across the East and West coasts that sparked college evacuations "

21:49:52 mircea_popescu: this is whjat i get for going "who the fduck is vincent canfield"

21:51:37 *: asciilifeform goes back to the far moar interesting activity of changing the detergent in the tub where 'northgate' kbd keys are soaking for their 5-yrly wash

21:52:41 shinohai: I applaud the guy for at least putting up warrant canary on server

21:54:07 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> phun phakt: virtually all american 'health insurance' is void abroad << ofcourse it is ? just like soviet ruble vouchers were void in bonn ?

21:55:08 punkman: isn't that SOP everywhere?

21:57:30 punkman: https://news.bitcoin.com/bigger-blocks-means-decentralization-bitcoin/

21:57:31 assbot: Bigger Blocks Mean More Decentralization for Bitcoin - Bitcoin News ... ( http://bit.ly/1SeJsA1 )

21:58:30 punkman: /me notices data, hmm

21:58:34 punkman: *date

21:59:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 146850 @ 0.00049885 = 73.2561 BTC [-] {3}

22:01:03 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha. somebody ought remind herr canfield not to fall ill or have accident

22:02:28 asciilifeform: shinohai: 'warrant canary' is an endearing custom but is quite useless on several different levels

22:03:01 shinohai: https://cock.li/transparency/warrant-canary.txt <<< text of canary is why I applaud him.

22:03:02 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1SeJSX1 )

22:04:20 asciilifeform: ianal but the standard u.s. freislerian legal instrument in such cases is the gag order, which is not 'a national security letter, on order under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, or any other classified request for user information'

22:05:06 mircea_popescu: the very fucking notion of "a gag order".

22:05:10 asciilifeform: (the gag itself is not classified, in the sense that it is a separate legal instrument and its disclosure is punished under a separate set of penal code than disclosure of classified info - which in usa, supposing that you did not sign its nda, is not a crime)

22:05:12 mircea_popescu: as if any judge has the authority to order such a wonder.

22:05:43 asciilifeform: auctoritas no, potentas yes

22:07:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39100 @ 0.00050471 = 19.7342 BTC [+]

22:07:36 asciilifeform: and afaik 'warrant canary' has never been tested in any court.

22:08:21 asciilifeform: and considering that secret courts and secret laws are now sop in usaschwitz, perhaps it was tested 1,001 times and was laughed at from day one

22:09:45 asciilifeform: the legal logic behind 'canary' was always dodgy, 'usg cannot compel you to tell lies' - wanna bet ? ask juniper et al

22:09:54 shinohai: lol

22:11:29 asciilifeform: or ask that one telco ceo who wouldn't sign up for nsa

22:11:37 asciilifeform: (and promptly jailed for 'insider trading')

22:12:33 asciilifeform: nobody gets to count for two shits, in big picture, in usa, without proper strings pre-attached

22:12:42 asciilifeform: (can be as simple as being a pedo, a la brock p)

22:13:28 trinque: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1352459 << I am open to doing a paste.deedbot.org; done correctly it does not seem like a massive piece of work.

22:13:28 assbot: Logged on 24-12-2015 20:57:04; mod6: trinque: could deedbot be easily copied and modified to just have variable paste retention into a webdir or db of some kind? it wouldn't send to the blockchain like deedbot. then we could just have our own `pastebot'? is this dumb?

22:13:31 asciilifeform: they play ball, or usg pulls on the strings. will pull until arms, legs come off.

22:16:34 asciilifeform: and anyway why would anybody need to serve a warrant to canfield ? all they gotta do is cancel his job. then he can enjoy living in ro ~on a ro wage~

22:17:45 *: Azelphur waves at mircea_popescu

22:17:53 Azelphur: Haven't been active in here in a while, howdy :)

22:39:16 shinohai: https://i.imgur.com/1P9mpnQ.jpg Assets

22:39:17 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1QP6MVy )

22:40:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61369 @ 0.00050635 = 31.0742 BTC [+]

22:51:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36750 @ 0.00050635 = 18.6084 BTC [+]

23:06:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 105950 @ 0.00050635 = 53.6478 BTC [+]

23:13:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78300 @ 0.00050669 = 39.6738 BTC [+]

23:15:57 BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351805 << There are a poverty of laptops and portable desktops on the market which are still less POS

23:15:57 assbot: Logged on 24-12-2015 14:41:47; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if laptop needs external cooling, it's a pos

23:51:37 asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/keybottle.jpg