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00:00:19 BingoBoingo: http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=h_people

00:00:20 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1MPEHcY )

00:34:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21550 @ 0.00040343 = 8.6939 BTC [+] {2}

00:35:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4350 @ 0.00040368 = 1.756 BTC [+]

01:02:37 asciilifeform: jurov: my impression is, eveythign around lisp is considerably fragmented << algol's mighty fragmented too

01:07:18 cazalla: how many times can you spot "legitimate" http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2967084/Paedophile-porn-rings-selling-live-streams-rape-involving-children-young-six-Skype-return-Bitcoins-warn-Europol.html

01:07:20 assbot: Paedophile porn rings 'selling live streams of child rape on Skype', Europol warns | Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1BoSZ18 )

01:07:36 cazalla: it's old news btw, for some reason they dug up a report from last year and ran it today as new

01:10:47 thestringpuller: microsoft can't get a break (ms owns skype now rite?)

01:13:15 cazalla: thestringpuller, yeah, i was gonna write it up under heading of hundreds of paedos use microsoft products to rape kids, but actually covered the report the above article mentions back in october or november last year

01:13:57 cazalla: microsft really enable these rapes because not only do the paedos use skype, but they use windows as well

01:14:46 cazalla: plus the paedos have the gall to use legitimate services such as Bitcoin

01:16:25 thestringpuller: about as bad as Gavin killing those kids

01:21:27 ben_vulpes: ;;ticker

01:21:34 cazalla: actually there is a new report.. may as well write it up

01:24:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19563 @ 0.00039685 = 7.7636 BTC [-] {2}

01:29:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22865 @ 0.00038063 = 8.7031 BTC [-] {3}

01:33:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00040026 = 2.0013 BTC [+]

01:34:37 mircea_popescu: <mike_c> idk. noobs will make sites. and their wordpress blogs will be used in ddos reflection attacks. what can you do. << kvetch

01:34:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4883 @ 0.00040146 = 1.9603 BTC [+]

01:35:32 mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> (oh, and those "experts" in rails/django/yii/whatever tend to swallow wholesale whatever braindamage comes out of the "community") << that's because these are experts in groupthink, having come of age in the 90s at the earliest.

01:37:12 asciilifeform: while hunting for marvell errata sheets, found http://code.google.com/p/inferno-kirkwood/source/browse/devsata.c - driver for same, written for bell labs's 'inferno' os (interesting animal all in itself, see old thread) - contains some clues re: reset behaviour

01:37:14 assbot: devsata.c - inferno-kirkwood - Inferno for the Marvell Kirkwood/Sheevaplug - Google Project Hosting ... ( http://bit.ly/1zFdfp0 )

01:38:47 mircea_popescu: <mats> and anyway i like to see what people offended by mp are up to << lol me too. but this guy... he's not offended, he's just trying to you knwo, "make it in this game".

01:38:53 mircea_popescu: as that kid told that retarded cop once.

01:39:22 mircea_popescu: !up rotarydialer

01:41:14 mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ

01:41:16 assbot: Rick Astley - Never Gonna Give You Up - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1zFe7Kl )

01:44:07 mats: its revealing how people react when confronted with inadequacy

01:44:54 thestringpuller: similar to rejection

01:46:53 cazalla: you won't sleep with me? ya fucking slut!

01:47:56 TheNewDeal: ;;nethash

01:48:03 TheNewDeal: !Up gribble

01:48:12 TheNewDeal: Fu, assbot

01:48:59 mircea_popescu: ;;bc,stats

01:50:31 TheNewDeal: ;;Seen gribble

01:50:47 TheNewDeal: Acting like a pouty bitch

01:50:50 mircea_popescu: lol

02:05:23 mats: hm, 'Citizenfour' is public domain due to being used as evidence in a suit

02:06:36 mats: er, that's a terrible construction, but anyway http://cryptome.org/Citizenfour-HD.7z

02:07:14 asciilifeform: can we do that to the rest of them ?

02:08:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16000 @ 0.00040171 = 6.4274 BTC [+] {2}

02:10:31 mats: i'm not really sure how it works

02:10:58 gribble: 318572931.893

02:10:58 gribble: I have not seen gribble.

02:10:58 gribble: Current Blocks: 345015 | Current Difficulty: 4.668437631686029E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 346751 | Next Difficulty In: 1736 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 6 days, 6 hours, 2 minutes, and 44 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 43633659578.1 | Estimated Percent Change: -6.53477

02:15:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13018 @ 0.00039928 = 5.1978 BTC [-]

02:17:13 mats: https://twitter.com/Cryptomeorg/status/566616227582582785

02:17:14 assbot: Defense provided 2 DVDs of Citizenfour as exhibit in Edwards suit. So film in public domain as unsealed record. On HBO 2/23/15. Leaking $.

02:18:08 mats: i'm not certain that submission as evidence nullifies IP rights

02:23:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6336 @ 0.00039928 = 2.5298 BTC [-]

02:24:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6448 @ 0.00040347 = 2.6016 BTC [+] {2}

02:33:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14600 @ 0.00040368 = 5.8937 BTC [+]

02:51:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7900 @ 0.00040368 = 3.1891 BTC [+]

02:54:37 cazalla: scoopbot, fetch

02:55:03 cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/02/europol-uses-kiddy-porn-hysteria-to-attack-bitcoin/

02:55:04 assbot: Europol Uses Kiddy Porn Hysteria To Attack Bitcoin | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1FqGnnC )

02:56:20 mike_c: scoopbot fetch

02:56:27 mike_c: scoopbot -fetch

02:56:45 scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/02/europol-uses-kiddy-porn-hysteria-to-attack-bitcoin/

02:56:56 cazalla: mind of its own

02:57:09 mike_c: "I'll fetch when i damn well please"

02:59:09 thestringpuller: "When I feel like it"

03:00:33 thestringpuller: nasdaq.com covered that C4 nonsense: http://www.nasdaq.com/article/why-the-proposed-security-certification-for-bitcoin-matters-cm447831

03:04:27 cazalla: !up veeminer

03:04:31 cazalla: oops lol

03:04:34 cazalla: !up Vexual

03:11:59 Vexual: New rules for foreign investors buying real estate in oz. You pay a small lubrication fee to the firb and despite any n shell companies you are liable for theoretical noncompliance fines.

03:14:26 thestringpuller: "lubrication fee" << hue hue

03:17:19 Vexual: Only took a week and everyone happy

03:53:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7996 @ 0.00039928 = 3.1926 BTC [-]

03:54:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51748 @ 0.0003837 = 19.8557 BTC [-] {3}

04:10:57 mircea_popescu: <mats> i'm not certain that submission as evidence nullifies IP rights << it's a right nightmare.

04:11:02 mircea_popescu: they'll be stuck arguing "context"

04:11:38 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller part of the reason it doesn't matter is that nasdaq would like it to.

04:11:42 ben_vulpes: http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/feb/24/chicago-police-detain-americans-black-site

04:11:44 assbot: The disappeared: Chicago police detain Americans at abuse-laden 'black site' | US news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1AIGUR4 )

04:11:53 mircea_popescu: part of the reason nasdaq would like it to is that it's yet anopther "make bitcoin more like fiat retardness"

04:14:30 mircea_popescu: ?It?s sort of an open secret among attorneys that regularly make police station visits, this place ? if you can?t find a client in the system, odds are they?re there,? said Chicago lawyer Julia Bartmes.

04:14:32 mircea_popescu: heh

04:15:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15088 @ 0.00039161 = 5.9086 BTC [+]

04:18:17 asciilifeform: 'black site' << snore, orc management pen.

04:18:29 ben_vulpes: no snore.

04:18:41 ben_vulpes: this "snore" attitude is part and parcel of the decay.

04:18:49 ben_vulpes: "boring, world's going to hell in a handbasket."

04:18:56 asciilifeform: i mean, yes, we'll go there when time comes

04:18:58 ben_vulpes: where's the anger?

04:19:08 asciilifeform: but just as easily to another warehouse

04:19:36 asciilifeform: that's storing iPnohes or toilet paper today

04:20:10 asciilifeform: instead of condemned prisoners

04:20:50 mircea_popescu: you or them, about even odds atm.

04:22:07 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu optimist

04:22:14 mircea_popescu: what;s the guy's name, Jon Burge

04:22:18 mircea_popescu: no, im a realist.

04:23:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6073 @ 0.00038302 = 2.3261 BTC [-]

04:24:18 mircea_popescu: he just about got back out i'd guess.

04:37:59 decimation: how do you negrate the city of chicago

04:40:35 decimation: re: federal employees overpaid < I suspect the whole system operates as a net with a hole - all the talent get sucked in and immediately leaves, but the bottom suckers end up 'caught'

04:52:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17595 @ 0.00037834 = 6.6569 BTC [-] {2}

04:53:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24050 @ 0.00037502 = 9.0192 BTC [-] {2}

04:58:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11870 @ 0.00038775 = 4.6026 BTC [+] {2}

05:03:05 mircea_popescu: prolly.

05:06:53 decimation: so, sure some feds are way underpaid, but the majority are overpaid losers

05:07:34 asciilifeform: overpaid << who envies these folks ?

05:07:59 decimation: naive clerks?

05:09:09 decimation: actually there's a deeper problem. When you 'work' for a 'democracy', your boss is 'the people'

05:09:21 decimation: when everyone is your boss, no one is your boss

05:09:53 asciilifeform: mostly imaginary problem

05:10:00 asciilifeform: in actual practice, there's an ordinary boss.

05:10:28 decimation: who is accountable to a chain of bosses who ultimately account to themselves

05:11:08 decimation: or maybe Obama fires people for failing to deliever?

05:18:19 scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/02/australian-drug-trafficker-pleads-guilty/

05:21:17 mats: http://aje.io/e8yq kek

05:21:19 assbot: Kerry: Moscow lying 'to my face' over Ukraine - Al Jazeera English ... ( http://bit.ly/1vxF1Ye )

05:21:41 asciilifeform: speaking of which,

05:21:42 asciilifeform: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2015/02/the-amherst-cauldron.html

05:21:43 assbot: ClubOrlov: The Amherst Cauldron ... ( http://bit.ly/1vxF5Hn )

05:22:13 mats: "They have been persisting in their misrepresentations, lies, whatever you want to call them, about their activities there to my face"

05:24:54 decimation: one wonders how many usg state department officers would be hired by other countries if usg went bankrupt

05:25:14 decimation: "Oh I'm totally an awesome diplomat, look at my years of usg experience!"

05:26:11 mats: that post is silly. the guard would fail overnight.

05:26:41 decimation: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/04/russias-diplomats-are-better-than-ours-105773.html

05:26:43 assbot: Russian Diplomats Are Eating America's Lunch - James Bruno - POLITICO Magazine ... ( http://bit.ly/1vxFB8s )

05:28:24 mats: give it another four years and all the useful combat vets will have exited the service out of sheer disgust

05:29:44 decimation: mats: I've witnessed that happening too

05:30:31 mats: the clever ones are already losing their minds in group

05:31:05 mats: too much political fuckery, civ and mil, for any useful body to bear

05:31:07 decimation: unfortunately, this means that the current population of the military is strongly selected for nominal loyalty to usg

05:31:31 decimation: at least as long as the dollars keep rolling

05:31:44 asciilifeform: meanwhile, http://www.politico.com/story/2015/02/ash-carter-russia-vladimir-putin-defense-115421.html?ml=m_po

05:31:46 assbot: Ash Carter warns Russia on nukes - Philip Ewing - POLITICO ... ( http://bit.ly/1vxG6PO )

05:34:55 asciilifeform: how many germans quit ss 'out of sheer disgust'

05:34:55 decimation: asciilifeform: why does usg keep wanting to bring back the cold war? nostalgia?

05:36:10 asciilifeform: why does a pyro burn houses?

05:37:13 asciilifeform: this is simply what usg... is. at least since it was grown enough to even -have- a foreign policy.

05:41:21 mats: SS didn't get stomped multiple times and asked to enjoy it.

05:42:56 mats: granted, they were trounced in ... northern africa? my ww2 history knowledge languishes.

05:52:29 mats: anyway, i did say useful. night folks.

05:56:01 ben_vulpes: jurov, asciilifeform: as though "lisp" and "algol" even exist as actual things.

06:02:33 asciilifeform: folks keep insisting on discussing 'lisp'

06:02:37 asciilifeform: so why not algol.

06:06:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20466 @ 0.00040315 = 8.2509 BTC [+]

06:12:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25200 @ 0.00040403 = 10.1816 BTC [+] {2}

06:22:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12921 @ 0.00040563 = 5.2411 BTC [+] {2}

06:23:18 decimation: asciilifeform: unfortunately ada (derived from pascal-algol) has 1-based array indexes

06:24:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15186 @ 0.00040757 = 6.1894 BTC [+]

06:25:08 asciilifeform: decimation: foo: array (Integer range 0 .. N) of Whatever;

06:25:13 asciilifeform: decimation: so nope.

06:25:18 asciilifeform: at least, not if you don't want.

06:25:54 decimation: ah that's useful

06:26:01 decimation: all the examples I've found start with a 1

06:26:13 asciilifeform: can start with 31337 if you like.

06:26:13 decimation: I assumed it was a language 'feature' like matlab

06:26:31 decimation: matlab 1-based indexing is enraging

06:26:45 asciilifeform: ada, like common lisp, is interesting for the mostly-complete absence of any obviously braindamaged decisions forced upon the user

06:27:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6065 @ 0.00040757 = 2.4719 BTC [+]

06:31:03 asciilifeform: ' If you have a powered up NEXTEL on your belt and you walk within 12 feet of a STU-III in secure mode you have just compromised the classified key.'

06:31:37 asciilifeform: (from vintage quasi-usg catalogue, http://www.tscm.freeservers.com/stu.html - apparently this has 'always' been on the net)

06:31:39 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1DnUWs9 )

06:31:54 asciilifeform: ^ ninjasp4mwifi

06:36:04 decimation: asciilifeform: how can any kind of signal magically compromise a stu?

06:46:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22559 @ 0.0004069 = 9.1793 BTC [-]

06:58:20 ben_vulpes: `emacs` on remote server pops x11 frame locally

06:58:33 ben_vulpes: `emacs -daemon && emacsclient -c`...not so much.

07:05:44 cazalla: mmm home made potato gnocchi with muh tomato/chilli sauce (both from garden) and chorizo.. just missing a beer :\

07:33:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7249 @ 0.00040757 = 2.9545 BTC [+]

07:34:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11851 @ 0.00040803 = 4.8356 BTC [+]

07:35:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32050 @ 0.00041021 = 13.1472 BTC [+] {2}

07:40:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30671 @ 0.0004142 = 12.7039 BTC [+] {2}

07:46:53 ben_vulpes: !up benkay

07:46:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15658 @ 0.00040481 = 6.3385 BTC [-] {3}

07:47:33 punkman: http://www.thoughtcrime.org/blog/gpg-and-me/

07:47:34 assbot: Moxie Marlinspike >> Blog >> GPG And Me ... ( http://bit.ly/1MQsK6T )

07:47:44 ben_vulpes: harumph.

07:47:58 punkman: !up benkay

07:49:33 ben_vulpes: thanks punkman.

07:49:40 ben_vulpes: just...testing in production.

07:49:53 ben_vulpes: decimation, lmk if you need a hand with erc and sasl.

07:50:02 ben_vulpes: the trick is (drumroll please)

07:50:09 ben_vulpes: https://github.com/joseph-gay/erc-sasl

07:50:10 assbot: joseph-gay/erc-sasl · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1MQt2dK )

07:50:10 ben_vulpes: i

07:51:17 benkay: ;;ticker

07:51:18 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 237.82, Best ask: 238.2, Bid-ask spread: 0.38000, Last trade: 238.11, 24 hour volume: 5762.20622708, 24 hour low: 236.3, 24 hour high: 240.98, 24 hour vwap: 238.981156577

07:57:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20850 @ 0.0004004 = 8.3483 BTC [-] {2}

07:58:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41211 @ 0.00039922 = 16.4523 BTC [-]

08:08:02 ben_vulpes: if it's not one thing it's a dang nother.

08:19:00 ben_vulpes: !up yhwh_

08:19:12 ben_vulpes: your cloak is applied after you join, fyi

08:22:21 punkman: !up gmaxwell

08:22:52 gmaxwell: man y'all will get a kick out of the latest foundation lol-event. They have some _utterly_ braindead 'blockchain voting' scheme for their board vote run off (gotta love changing voting infrastructure mid election for election integrity)

08:23:19 gmaxwell: So if you want to block Olivier Janssens from getting approved; for example get miners to just block payments to 1MG6SSwK2qSASM2QgBez2g4YFe3ib4d2eL.

08:24:00 gmaxwell: (the site is so broken that I'm having a hard time extracting addresses for the other options)

08:25:24 punkman: well at least they didn't do another fork to implement colored voting coins or whatever

08:26:00 punkman: let 'em derp (tm)

08:27:09 BingoBoingo: I am astounded at all of the ways they manage to keep screwing this election.

08:30:19 gmaxwell: At the moment it seems all you can do is vote in favor of Olivier Janssens (thats why I'm able to see the address there), the rest of the options are coming up as "not available yet"

08:30:44 gmaxwell: oh the jim harper options are up now too.

08:31:08 punkman: is anyone still buying foundation memberships?

08:32:04 gmaxwell: Org seems to be doing its damndest to commit suicide.

08:33:44 gmaxwell: I also like that contacting Jinyoung Englund to report how buste things are, gets me a "I am out of the office Weds, February 25 through Sunday, March 1, 2015"

08:33:45 cazalla: gmaxwell, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=24-02-2015#1032132

08:33:45 assbot: Logged on 24-02-2015 17:39:09; mircea_popescu: this is exactly like suicide : the people who succeed we want. the people who fail should have succeeded.

08:33:59 cazalla: seems fitting lol

08:34:18 BingoBoingo: I mean they were not doing too bad when they were just burning various agencies' time, but then they just pivoted and stopped doing that

08:35:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9799 @ 0.00041516 = 4.0682 BTC [+] {2}

08:35:44 gmaxwell: yea, I actually thought there work there more or less made sense; it had some liability (since they couldn't seem to resist letting people think they 'spoke for bitcoin') but it generally seemed to be going okay. Mostly burning pointless peoples pointless time, sure; but it was nice having _someone_ in combatting all the really agressive fud that some 'bitcoin alternatives' are slinging.

08:38:32 gmaxwell: Another interesting property is that it should be trivial to buy votes with this thing.

08:38:59 fluffypony: how are the votes authenticated? based on the address they're coming from?

08:39:10 gmaxwell: sadly they didn't use this in round 1 where a real statement could be made by buying all the votes and assigning them to a joke candidate.

08:39:28 gmaxwell: fluffypony: looks like it, hard to tell this system is opaque doesn't seem to be publically documented.

08:39:45 gmaxwell: They have some hacked up flaky counterparty wallet software that gives you some preset destitions to vote.

08:40:36 fluffypony: eugh

08:42:57 gmaxwell: looks like for each voter they fund them with 0.0021 BTC (and some amount of 'counterparty' altcoin, I dunno how to tell how much)

08:43:05 gmaxwell: looks like one can just take the 0.0021 BTC and not vote.

08:43:29 gmaxwell: (well the UI doesn't prevent it, but the user appears to have the private key for it.)

08:44:33 BingoBoingo: To the best of my knowledge the counterparty altcoin s just BTC that's mislabeled when you look at it through their wallet

08:45:36 gmaxwell: BingoBoingo: nah, it seperately tracks 'counterparty' value, like a colored coin, the bitcoin is irrelevant, and just gets around the fact that bitcoin core won't relay 0 value txouts and miners are lazy and don't change defaults.

08:45:54 thestringpuller: gmaxwell: now that is a name I have not seen in a long long time.

08:46:15 fluffypony: Star Wars reference high five!

08:46:47 gmaxwell: This channel isn't usually to my taste, but I knew some here would appricate this latest BCF lolspectacular.

08:46:49 BingoBoingo: Ah

08:47:08 BingoBoingo: The lulzslide is spectacular in this case

08:47:49 cazalla: gmaxwell, what about #b-a is not to your liking?

08:48:08 fluffypony: cazalla: the smell is kinda funky

08:48:32 thestringpuller: that's cause of all the funny smoke in the room

08:48:41 gmaxwell: I like how this ubersecure voting application embeds third party JS in every page (google analyitics); thats exactly how you go about building secure election and finance software. yup.

08:49:12 gmaxwell: cazalla: not my taste doesn't necessarily imply an active dislike.

08:49:23 BingoBoingo: Seriously. Google analytics is the worst.

08:49:42 BingoBoingo: cazalla: The porn isn't to his aesthetics.

08:50:12 fluffypony: I like GA for the interwebs, it's easy to block if you don't want to be spotted by it

08:50:56 BingoBoingo: fluffypony: Still people insert GA in places it doesn't belong

08:51:00 fluffypony: word

08:51:07 gmaxwell: It's just an extra sideshow on the general lolfest of incompetent broware.

08:51:47 gmaxwell: people building finance software, voting systems, etc. without spending 5 minutes thinking through possible failure modes and making trivial tweaks to mitigate risk.

08:52:02 []bot: Bet placed: 8 BTC for No on "Gold to top $1500 before 16 May" http://bitbet.us/bet/1106/ Odds: 8(Y):92(N) by coin, 11(Y):89(N) by weight. Total bet: 14.32038404 BTC. Current weight: 61,675.

08:52:05 []bot: Bet placed: 5.0099 BTC for No on "CLAM losing grip -> sells 0.0029 or lower before April 25th" http://bitbet.us/bet/1121/ Odds: 2(Y):98(N) by coin, 2(Y):98(N) by weight. Total bet: 5.16892952 BTC. Current weight: 94,065.

08:52:07 []bot: Bet placed: 2.5 BTC for No on "BTC to top $450 before 31st Mar" http://bitbet.us/bet/1113/ Odds: 11(Y):89(N) by coin, 12(Y):88(N) by weight. Total bet: 12.4553 BTC. Current weight: 46,647.

08:52:10 BingoBoingo: The entire AJAX bullshit is a scam. All of that user facing javascript is just there to same them on the server bills

08:53:41 BingoBoingo: !up gmaxwell

08:55:25 gmaxwell: yea, well, I've given up yelling "get off my lawn" at people, seems the whole world wants to eat suppositories and other such acts of brillance; my patience in telling other people that they're wrong mostly ran out years ago.

08:58:22 punkman: https://github.com/tedu/reop "a simple, semi-modern wannabe PGP clone"

08:58:23 assbot: tedu/reop · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1wbMask )

08:59:46 BingoBoingo: punkman: He's got some really good ideas, but an elliptic curve? really?

09:00:10 punkman: "it's gotta fit in twitter msg"

09:00:59 fluffypony: Curve25519 is pretty great though

09:03:26 gmaxwell: BingoBoingo: not sure why you'd fault that. Any _general_ improvement in ECC pretty much directly translates into an improvement for factoring; the converse is not true. And all the alternative schemes for _encryption_ have high overheads and complex security stories (though one could use two cryptosystems in parallel intelligently for long term security; I tried arguing for that w/ openpgp years

09:03:32 gmaxwell: ago without success)

09:06:07 BingoBoingo: gmaxwell: I'm just inclined towards giant RSA keys and presenting a hard problem. It's just I'd like the option. That and ECC is already keeping the money safe...

09:08:03 punkman: gpg2 has ECC as well

09:08:41 BingoBoingo: punkman: gpg2 isn't really shipped with anything though because the interface on gpg2 actually sucks

09:11:58 fluffypony: I had to use gpg2 to recv-keys today, because gpg refused to (import filter bug)

09:14:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7629 @ 0.00041791 = 3.1882 BTC [+]

09:15:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11176 @ 0.00041834 = 4.6754 BTC [+] {2}

09:16:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40845 @ 0.00041947 = 17.1333 BTC [+] {2}

09:35:27 scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/02/us-offers-reward-for-capture-of-retailer-of-cryptolocker-related-botnet/

09:59:17 punkman: http://www.gemalto.com/press/Pages/Gemalto-presents-the-findings-of-its-investigations-into-the-alleged-hacking-of-SIM-card-encryption-keys.aspx

09:59:18 assbot: Gemalto presents the findings of its investigations into the alleged hacking of SIM card encryption keysGemalto presents th ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dov6Vc )

10:05:41 BingoBoingo: !up Vexual

10:08:50 punkman: here's one for you vex https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OG6WZoVfGao

10:08:52 assbot: Νίκος Ξυλούρης - Αγρίμια Κι Αγριμάκια Μου - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dox87I )

10:09:06 Vexual: Yikes

10:09:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20482 @ 0.00041949 = 8.592 BTC [+]

10:14:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4820 @ 0.00042706 = 2.0584 BTC [+]

10:19:39 BingoBoingo: !up lrak

10:19:44 BingoBoingo: !up rotarydialer

10:21:16 Vexual: !up rotary dialder yor pre phreak hipster

10:21:16 Vexual: Lol

10:22:14 Vexual: Yeah yeah

10:22:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00042779 = 2.139 BTC [+] {2}

10:24:40 Vexual: Cool handle

10:25:23 Vexual: Its prolly spelling something our

10:26:01 Vexual: Out

10:27:44 Vexual: Or not

10:28:57 Vexual: Youre allowed to touch the button to verify u know

10:29:10 Vexual: Short press

10:36:55 cazalla: !up Vexual

10:37:23 punkman: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/02/17/state-department-spokeswoman-floats-jobs-as-answer-to-isis/

10:37:25 assbot: State Department spokeswoman floats jobs as answer to ISIS | Fox News ... ( http://bit.ly/1DoCpfq )

10:38:24 Vexual: Wot?

10:40:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15700 @ 0.00042676 = 6.7001 BTC [-]

10:40:50 Vexual: Next thing u know im not allowed to catch a train to turkey

10:44:13 punkman: !up greenmon

10:45:08 Vexual: Free passage for the masses I say

10:45:25 Vexual: Even 12 yo gals

10:47:22 Vexual: Identify of course

11:07:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19100 @ 0.00042954 = 8.2042 BTC [+] {2}

11:28:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20050 @ 0.00041977 = 8.4164 BTC [-] {3}

12:14:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17100 @ 0.00041588 = 7.1115 BTC [-]

12:19:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14880 @ 0.00043157 = 6.4218 BTC [+]

12:20:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8720 @ 0.00043171 = 3.7645 BTC [+]

12:21:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41900 @ 0.00043266 = 18.1285 BTC [+] {3}

12:30:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15350 @ 0.00043335 = 6.6519 BTC [+]

12:46:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15767 @ 0.00043335 = 6.8326 BTC [+]

12:52:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28376 @ 0.00041611 = 11.8075 BTC [-] {2}

12:58:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29828 @ 0.00041162 = 12.2778 BTC [-] {2}

13:09:37 danielpbarron: height=226745 vs height=192318

13:12:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15650 @ 0.00040663 = 6.3638 BTC [-]

13:14:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14724 @ 0.0004142 = 6.0987 BTC [+]

13:21:24 BingoBoingo: lol http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=7011041&cid=49125897

13:21:25 assbot: Moxie Marlinspike: GPG Has Run Its Course - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1FscDXo )

13:22:07 danielpbarron: gmaxwell> So if you want to block Olivier Janssens from getting approved; for example get miners to just block payments to 1MG6SSwK2qSASM2QgBez2g4YFe3ib4d2eL. << ah that's why i saw so many doublespends in my debug.log

13:33:33 danielpbarron: lol i just sent some MEAT to that address

14:22:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34550 @ 0.00043569 = 15.0531 BTC [+] {3}

14:26:24 mats: i am really disappointed in moxie

14:26:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24350 @ 0.00043779 = 10.6602 BTC [+]

14:27:19 mats: gpg does suck in a buncha usability ways, but then he goes on to address exactly zero actual problems

14:28:17 mats: then goes on hn to say he doesn't know what the solution is but shills Open Whisper Systems, Mailpile, LEAP

14:30:43 punkman: mats, indeed

14:32:29 mats: as if Text Secure is usable, has a spec or docs like opengpg, as if mailpile doesn't shell out to a gpg binary

14:34:59 mats: also deliberately misleading folks about widespread use with the quantity of keys on sks keyservers

14:35:31 mats: like XXXmn people on e.g. linux don't rely on it daily

14:36:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24600 @ 0.0004319 = 10.6247 BTC [-]

14:38:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.0004319 = 3.0233 BTC [-]

14:39:34 lobbes: "Looking forward, however, I think of GPG as a glorious experiment that has run its course. The journalists who depend on it struggle with it and often mess up (“I send you the private key to communicate privately, right?”)" << lol, this doesn't sound like a problem with gpg. I'll never understand this 'hard-to-use' argument. Just take an afternoon and learn the fundamentals!

14:41:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3753 @ 0.00043779 = 1.643 BTC [+]

14:42:59 mats: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9104188 >> mike_hearn "In the world of crypto, where we've learned so much, yes old means bad. Almost always... How many crypto geeks STILL spout rubbish about how the PKI is totally busted and the web of trust is the future? Way too many... The future of encrypted messaging is not GPG."

14:43:02 assbot: GPG and Me | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/17XtA0N )

14:43:35 mats: he went full retard from sentence one. wat.

14:43:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30397 @ 0.00044324 = 13.4732 BTC [+]

14:46:49 mats: hearn and moxie start from the same premise, where tech and crypto are somehow going to paper over deficiencies in human relations and bring useful encryption to everyone everywhere, and somehow gpg is inadequate because it doesn't solve all problems they've imagined but don't actually present as problems to technically capable people

14:51:46 lobbes: reminds me of the 'bitcoins for all the people in Africa' mantra, and if it can't support that it is somehow 'broken'

14:52:19 bitstein: I got into it with moxie on twitter: https://twitter.com/Bitstein/status/570366873633566720

14:52:21 assbot: I used to dream of a world where everyone would install GPG. Now I dream of a world where I can uninstall it: http://t.co/eRZ0hdlmgx

14:53:02 bitstein: ^ That was the tweet I was responding to, not my own.

14:53:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13400 @ 0.00044231 = 5.927 BTC [-]

14:58:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13850 @ 0.00044124 = 6.1112 BTC [-]

14:58:10 mats: yeah seriously. installing Thunderbird is hard!

14:58:27 mats: so try my Text Secure app on the Play Store.

14:58:31 mats: ok guy.

14:59:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6500 @ 0.00044324 = 2.8811 BTC [+]

15:00:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16800 @ 0.00044324 = 7.4464 BTC [+]

15:02:52 jurov: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2x3s8h/bitcoin_foundation_runoff_voting_i_just_went/

15:02:53 assbot: Bitcoin Foundation run-off voting - I just went through the process and here to help : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/17Xy5sj )

15:03:11 jurov: seems they built it on top of obamacare

15:03:43 jurov: "After confirming your yes/no choice you will be looking for a way to get back to the other candidates to vote for them."

15:17:15 lobbes: Speaking of redditards.. some additional lulz: http://newsletter.8layertech.com/?p=723

15:17:16 assbot: Portable Bitcoin ATM Made by Filipino Students | OPEN NEWS ... ( http://bit.ly/17XBB5Q )

15:33:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26971 @ 0.00042321 = 11.4144 BTC [-]

15:35:18 thestringpuller: ls

15:35:20 thestringpuller: oops

15:37:35 thestringpuller: bitstein: re: gpg << "GPG is not what consumers have come to expect" is what I'm seeing here.

15:38:43 BingoBoingo: Consumers have driven computing too long.

15:39:16 asciilifeform: marlinspike << shitgnome and 'do-ocrat'

15:39:32 mats: some of the hn comments are, 'lets make gpg as usable as facebook:

15:39:35 asciilifeform: i've had a mild revulsion for him for as long as known about him

15:39:47 asciilifeform: but now can finally pour flondor cement

15:39:49 mircea_popescu: name is vaguely familiar.

15:40:14 bitstein: thestringpuller: I liked Pierre's comment: "Everything must be candy crush UX with JavaScript." https://twitter.com/Pierre_Rochard/status/570412801908477952

15:42:00 thestringpuller: asciilifeform: but now can finally pour flondor cement << brutal. you sure you don't want to be a mobster? :D

15:42:09 mike_c: asciilifeform, why have you always had slight revulsion? I used to think better of him, but this article is useless. poorly written rant with no suggestions.

15:42:12 bitstein: asciilifeform: What I posted was the important part.

15:42:16 mircea_popescu: in a dick tracy sort of way

15:43:45 asciilifeform: thestringpuller: cement << the relevant line is from ru poet vysotsky, 'Я тебя не трону, а душе зарою. И прикажу в залить цементом, чтобы не разрыть.' -- 'i won't touch you, but in my soul i'll bury you, and order cement poured so as not to ever dig up'

15:44:29 asciilifeform: mike_c: elsewhere he suggests many things, all of them quite zimmermanesque

15:44:47 thestringpuller: old zimmerman or new zimmerman?

15:44:50 asciilifeform: new.

15:45:40 thestringpuller: reminds me of my current CEO, "Blah blah blah ENCRYPTION AS A SERVICE, blah blah blah. THE FUTURE." *applause from dumb audience here*

15:47:03 mike_c: phil zimmerman is a bad guy?

15:47:16 asciilifeform: mike_c: as of 2010 or so

15:47:19 mircea_popescu: nowadays ;/

15:47:23 mike_c: how.. disappointing

15:47:30 asciilifeform: mike_c: pushes closed-source turds for iPnohe as 'ultra-secure' etc.

15:47:36 mircea_popescu: very. in there with bvuffett.

15:47:51 mircea_popescu: my heart was the size of a rice grain when djikstra got linked yest.

15:48:44 asciilifeform: dijkstra never betrayed

15:49:01 thestringpuller: mike_c: disappointing << people are disappointing no? otherwise we would not need WoT...

15:49:10 mircea_popescu: right. neither did zimmerman until he one day started derping about "dark phone"

15:49:35 mircea_popescu: actually, i recall mentioning here that "wtf, this guy publicly takes pride in having lost his gpg key ?" a while back

15:49:37 asciilifeform: dijkstra died as lived - honest man

15:50:01 mircea_popescu: thankfully.

15:50:37 thestringpuller: dat balmer syndrome...one day you're just "Developer developer developers" sweating profusely on a stage and you don't know why.

15:51:12 asciilifeform: this is why among the most brilliant jp inventions is the seppuku rite. (and, in euro world, the lesser roman version thereof)

15:51:44 mircea_popescu: assbot: Kerry: Moscow lying 'to my face' over Ukraine << roflmao. fuckwit lost some election long long ago, imagines what this does is put him in charge of Barbaria ? instead of you know, Usia ?

15:51:57 asciilifeform: instead of derping like headless chicken for decades, publicly dump out guts - if can make a statement with it, so much the better

15:52:09 mircea_popescu: same al gore schtick. "what's at state in a us presidential election is who gets rome and who gets constantinople"

15:52:44 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: actually he's reichsminister

15:53:01 mircea_popescu: that's not the point. the point is, who the fuck ever heard of the attitude.

15:53:14 mircea_popescu: "moscow" "lying" "to his face" ? wtf is he, supervisor in chief ? dad ?

15:53:23 asciilifeform: it's the absolute standard usian 'the planet is our banana farm' attitude

15:53:36 mircea_popescu: but he's a LOSER.

15:53:43 mike_c: moxie's sekrit thingy is open source though. that's better than somewhat silent circle

15:53:45 mircea_popescu: you know ? he's arguably not even PART of the usianistan.

15:54:24 mircea_popescu: decimation: "Oh I'm totally an awesome diplomat, look at my years of usg experience!" << this lol.

15:54:35 asciilifeform: sec. of state

15:54:44 asciilifeform: definitely 'part', no ?

15:54:49 mircea_popescu: were i putin i'd put something in pravda.us "Kerry is so inept I would fire him if I ran the US."

15:55:00 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dun see it.

15:55:27 asciilifeform: read 'foreign minister,' to civilized folks

15:55:41 asciilifeform: our own little ribbentrop

15:55:56 mircea_popescu: why would anyone still receive him after something like this i dun understand ?

15:56:20 mircea_popescu: next he shows up have him detained at border for 36 hours, let him go with a 10 year interdict.

15:56:59 mircea_popescu: mats: give it another four years and all the useful combat vets will have exited the service out of sheer disgust << almost there anyway, yeh.

15:57:08 asciilifeform: moxie's sekrit thingy is open source though << ahahahaha lol. open just like openssl

15:58:45 mike_c: fine. i will deduct two points from his wot rating in my head. that's too bad.

16:02:06 asciilifeform: 'I simply asked him -- in a private email -- if there was a signature for Convergence someplace because I didn't see any online. He accused me of being "inflammatory" and stated it was necessary to "take a leap of faith" (i.e. download and run it without verification). This was back in 2012, mind you. He appeared to be oddly anti-PGP back then, too. Frankly, after that I had no appetite for any more of his, erm, style and forg

16:02:06 asciilifeform: ot about Convergence. Years later, I had to abandon DoNotTrackMe (by a Moxie-run company, Abine) nee 'Blur' for Ghostery instead when the former got an update that kept hogging the CPU. An email to Abine just yielded a response to keep updating Blur, but the problem never went away.'

16:02:11 asciilifeform: ^ pasted here for the record

16:02:24 asciilifeform: because gigglets like this have a way of 'disappearing' from forums

16:03:46 ben_vulpes: "An agile, distributed, and secure strategy for replacing Certificate Authorities" << agile, hah.

16:06:02 mircea_popescu: lol good idea.

16:07:19 asciilifeform: thing is, the man knows what he's doing. not 'useful idiot', he. is including the zombie horde of 'people' for whom 'gpg is hard' in order to reach his conclusion, rather than reached his conclusion because useful idiot and automatically included them

16:07:29 asciilifeform: *including in his reasoning

16:10:18 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://www.noblis.org << usg dept. of btcdiddlery - incidentally.

16:10:19 assbot: Noblis Home ... ( http://bit.ly/1BtF5Li )

16:10:57 asciilifeform: had various mildly smoking guns for this in stash for a while, now add the fact of them crawling specific pages on me site

16:11:16 asciilifeform: (why these folks insist on publicly advertising this act, is beyond me)

16:12:28 thestringpuller: !s codeclimate

16:12:28 assbot: 0 results for 'codeclimate' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=codeclimate

16:12:39 BingoBoingo: Maybe they figure everyone's depreciated reading /var/

16:12:45 asciilifeform: i suggest that everyone check their server logs for these clowns

16:13:15 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: http://codeclimate.com << the non WoT version of http://fraudsters.com/2012/probably-the-hottest-business-idea-of-the-moment-in-btc/

16:16:37 asciilifeform: take with grain of salt, but folks fairly deep in the belly of the beast have suggested that 'noblis' is where the handprints from 'bitcoin atm' crap, pseudonyms from 'changetip' chumpatron, 'aml/kyc' idiocy, etc. all ends up.

16:16:42 danielpbarron: huh, i think he deleted my comment

16:16:51 asciilifeform: linked up with blockchain as well as they can

16:17:56 PeterL: "The best way to go is probably fixed fee + per line fee or something." I like this, encourages less LoC bloat

16:18:33 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform noblis ? could be incidental.

16:18:35 PeterL: ^from the fraudsters post just linked

16:18:40 mircea_popescu: they do a lot of contractor work crawling thre web

16:18:41 asciilifeform: PeterL: the notion that the folks paying are getting -anything- other than lighter wallet - is a laugh

16:19:07 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: could be.

16:20:09 asciilifeform: but a fella with 'loose lips' fingered them as where-nsa-actually-has-the-work-done.

16:20:21 asciilifeform: again, i'm 'selling this for same price as bought'

16:21:02 jurov: so you imply nsa is behind btcatm anad changetip?

16:21:21 asciilifeform: http://www.noblis-nsp.com << diddlamatics division

16:21:22 assbot: Noblis NSP ... ( http://bit.ly/1EQwAHt )

16:21:28 asciilifeform: jurov: 'behind' is wrong word here

16:22:02 asciilifeform: the way usg contracting works, folks eager-to-please get preemptively down on their knees

16:22:05 asciilifeform: and offer services

16:22:07 mircea_popescu: "behind" lol. btcatm has to report right ?

16:22:54 danielpbarron: i think my comment was something like "It's possible to achieve 'Perfect forward secrecy' with GPG; you're just retarded. And if it isn't brain damage, I can only assume you have been enlisted on to lizard hitler's payroll"

16:23:18 asciilifeform: idk if these folks run the phillipino content farms, but they are almost certainly the shepherds of the usg db with palmprints linked to blockchain tx from idiots

16:23:31 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: "diddlematics" << i never figured kako for a collaborator...

16:23:45 asciilifeform: ?

16:24:10 jurov: lol, like one can speculate i have created coinbr to preemptively get down on nsa or some such

16:24:22 ben_vulpes: it's a pun.

16:24:34 asciilifeform: jurov: coinbr doesn't collect fingerprints iirc

16:24:43 asciilifeform: or passport photos

16:24:51 asciilifeform: neither does kako's bet machine

16:25:09 asciilifeform: this is how you tell the difference. but this is elementary alphabet to #b-a folks

16:26:14 jurov: i can see them trying to. only by sheer luck is what i'm doing covered as "financial service" atm

16:26:28 danielpbarron: assbot collects fingerprints

16:26:30 ben_vulpes: jurov: "preemptively go down" << ftfy :P

16:26:32 jurov: so that i don't need to mess with eu vat

16:26:45 nubbins`: incidentally, was there ever a qntra article about cavirtex shutting down?

16:27:09 nubbins`: they say they're shutting because they realized their customer db was compromised at some point in the past

16:27:12 jurov: but some day i can see them going "financial service? yea we got some regulation for you"

16:27:13 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: this is simply what usg... is << i actually have a more psychotropic theory. basically, on some subconscious level, us knows it's become uss. and what it wants is, the validation of "well i didn't do anything useful, but at least the stupid thing i did i did WELL". this to be obtained, in the way such nonsense works, by confronting the symbolic representative thereof and "winning".

16:27:29 PeterL: http://qntra.net/2015/02/cavirtex-shutting-down-withdrawals-temporarily-disabled/ nubbins`

16:27:30 assbot: CAVIRTEX Shutting Down, Withdrawals "Temporarily Disabled" | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1EQxAva )

16:27:33 nubbins`: which sorta 100% agrees with everyone in #bitcoin-cad, including me, saying we started getting mysterious emails with .jar attachments around this time

16:27:35 nubbins`: PeterL ok!

16:27:37 mircea_popescu: notice that the us diplomacy is nowhere nearly as inept handling china. arguably russia is more of a threat tho, at least immediately.

16:27:54 nubbins`: PeterL they knew about the intrusion a year or two ago

16:27:59 mircea_popescu: chinese politburo isn't going around publicly and internationally humiliating us president with a monthly frequency.

16:27:59 nubbins`: let it coast until now

16:28:46 mircea_popescu: heh. so why now then ?

16:28:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9115 @ 0.00041835 = 3.8133 BTC [-]

16:29:11 nubbins`: that's the q

16:29:14 asciilifeform: china isn't in a deathcage match against rest of the planet trying for 200 yrs. to render its population for fat and to more easily get at the minerals

16:30:14 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-02-2015#1032973 << win.

16:30:14 assbot: Logged on 25-02-2015 07:05:44; cazalla: mmm home made potato gnocchi with muh tomato/chilli sauce (both from garden) and chorizo.. just missing a beer :\

16:30:27 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you think ?

16:30:30 mircea_popescu: maybe you dunno china.

16:30:36 asciilifeform: or rather, it is

16:30:45 asciilifeform: but unnoticed in the shadow of the ru match

16:30:54 mircea_popescu: lol. they have no trees and now cows. think about it.

16:31:03 nubbins`: PeterL https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=218435.msg8948075#msg8948075

16:31:04 assbot: Official CaVirtex.com Thread ... ( http://bit.ly/1EQy98g )

16:31:07 PeterL: nobody cares what china does with its peasants

16:31:18 asciilifeform: actually what cn has is precisely bipedal wealth

16:31:23 nubbins`: sept '14

16:31:29 asciilifeform: folks who are still willing to assemble machinery for a penny a day

16:31:32 asciilifeform: without toilet breaks

16:31:47 asciilifeform: this is, by some indications, a non-renewable resource that's getting burned up rather quickly

16:31:55 asciilifeform: possibly even faster than the ones ordinarily spoken of

16:32:01 nubbins`: peak meat

16:32:15 nubbins`: hey, remember "peak oil"?

16:32:53 asciilifeform: thing is, assembling, e.g., pc mobos, isn't mining U at butugychag. you can't get quality performance at bayonet point

16:32:58 mircea_popescu: pack meat. lawl.

16:32:59 asciilifeform: so the 'willing' part is key

16:33:15 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i think this difference is spurious.

16:33:29 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if it were spurious, africa would be the real china

16:33:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26900 @ 0.00041439 = 11.1471 BTC [-]

16:33:57 mircea_popescu: no, it wouldn't. africa, as unfortunately and politically unpleasant that sounds, probably sucks because genetics.

16:34:04 mircea_popescu: otherwise, recall the zek research centers.

16:34:04 asciilifeform: ^ not secret

16:34:13 PeterL: somebody just has to get the Africans organized and industrialized

16:34:16 mircea_popescu: how exactly different from us research you think that is ?

16:34:27 mircea_popescu: PeterL the problem is : africa is essentially "they who stayed". those always suck.

16:34:35 mircea_popescu: it's been selected for 250k years for suckage. no fixing that.

16:34:36 asciilifeform: zek sharashkas is essentially the same thing as where i live now

16:34:41 asciilifeform: so i'd know something about.

16:34:44 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and no bayonet ?

16:34:52 asciilifeform: 'carrot'

16:34:57 mircea_popescu: pointed carrot.

16:35:15 asciilifeform: what's the carrot for sitting at conveyor 12h straight with no toilet break ?

16:35:33 mircea_popescu: i dunno, i don't specialize in that shit.

16:36:15 asciilifeform: the carrot, as far as i understand, is that it looks like a great deal next to your grandfather's rotting in rice paddy

16:36:21 nubbins`: <+PeterL> somebody just has to get the Africans organized and industrialized <<< surely external help running the show is the path to self sufficiency

16:36:28 mircea_popescu: lol

16:36:29 asciilifeform: the essential ingredient is that your grandfather had to have rotted in the rice.

16:36:43 asciilifeform: if instead he drove 'mercedes' - then not so hot.

16:36:51 mircea_popescu: "hey, let's make it into the south pre 1830, then they can be invaded by lincoln v2.0 and have detroit!"

16:36:51 punkman: PeterL: somebody just has to get the Africans organized and industrialized << China's all over it, but they might have to import a billion chinese workers

16:37:02 asciilifeform: china imports own workers sop.

16:37:09 asciilifeform: this, incidentally, was supposed to happen in crimea

16:37:15 mircea_popescu: heh

16:37:16 asciilifeform: before the change-of-plans.

16:37:20 asciilifeform: !s china crimea

16:37:21 assbot: 3 results for 'china crimea' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=china+crimea

16:38:02 asciilifeform: they've developed an american-style agricultural practice for use in leased foreign lands, as well

16:38:03 PeterL: nubbins`: I am not saying self-sufficiency, I am saying rivaling china for output. I also have no idea how one would go about doing it, just saying there are lots of people in Africa which could be used as a resource for the right person

16:38:07 asciilifeform: that is quite like 'strip mining'

16:38:43 asciilifeform: PeterL: the quickest cure for this notion is to try it

16:38:53 asciilifeform: no need to go to the continent, even

16:38:56 nubbins`: PeterL no doubt. worth noting that "rivaling china for output" is not necessarily a positive

16:39:00 asciilifeform: try the local immigrants

16:39:37 PeterL: you want me to go over to Detroit and organize the populace into something not a worthless mess?

16:39:48 asciilifeform: ^ example

16:40:22 PeterL: "I have big plans, BIG PLANS!, as mayor I will accomplish AMAZING things, with your help!"

16:40:22 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

16:41:46 PeterL: my brother works in the Detroit Public Schools, from his anecdotes I have little hope things will change there.

16:41:51 mircea_popescu: PeterL tis is rank nonsense, you know.

16:41:51 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: back to the cn phactory gurlz, it's an open economic question whether a particular one can physically generate enough wealth to pay for 'carroting' it

16:41:58 chetty: put a big fence around Detroit and come back in a hundred years

16:42:15 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's rather like how you cannot have an engine use more energy for, e.g., alternator, than burning fuel yields

16:42:40 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the idea is that you have someone trading you 1 joule of fuel for half joule of electricity.

16:42:45 mircea_popescu: that's how these economies always close.

16:42:45 asciilifeform: !up gabriel_laddel

16:42:47 gabriel_laddel: ty

16:42:50 gabriel_laddel: ;; google chinese eat dogs, cats

16:42:51 gribble: 9 Countries That Eat Cats and Dogs | The Daily Meal: http://www.thedailymeal.com/9-countries-eat-cats-and-dogs/11414; Dog meat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog_meat; Cat meat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat_meat

16:43:09 asciilifeform: chinese eat anything that can be digested

16:43:18 asciilifeform: (and attempt plenty of things that can't)

16:43:32 gabriel_laddel: it seems to me that if the west would just fuck off and let China have Africa everything will go swimmingly.

16:43:42 asciilifeform: recently there was a widely-copied newspaper piece re: tiger farms

16:43:48 punkman: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gutter_oil

16:43:49 assbot: Gutter oil - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1EQApfQ )

16:43:49 asciilifeform: yes, eat them

16:43:53 asciilifeform: aha gutter oil

16:44:02 gabriel_laddel: they don't have the same sensibilities, being a different people (*gasp*).

16:44:04 asciilifeform: best thing to prepare fresh tiger in

16:44:24 mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel that's the plan. it won't work, but anyway.

16:44:33 mircea_popescu: time for some non-white colonisation failures after all.

16:44:43 gabriel_laddel: it won't work.. why?

16:44:47 asciilifeform: some non-white colonisation failures << jp got there first

16:44:53 mircea_popescu: why. because shit doesn't work.

16:46:58 gabriel_laddel: http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/korea.htm

16:46:59 assbot: BEING A GRACIOUS WINNER ... ( http://bit.ly/1EQASi7 )

16:49:09 punkman: http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/commentators/save-the-tiger-the-animals-bred-for-bones-on-chinas-tiger-farms-9636537.html

16:49:11 assbot: Save the Tiger: The animals bred for bones on China’s tiger farms - Commentators - Voices - The Independent ... ( http://bit.ly/1EQBgwS )

16:49:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21600 @ 0.00041432 = 8.9493 BTC [-] {2}

16:49:15 punkman: apparently not for meat

16:49:36 punkman: "The Xionsen Wine Company sells bottles of eight-year-old tiger bone wine, also fortified with tiger penis, for around £200"

16:50:19 PeterL: they make the wine from crushed bones of 8-yo tigers?

16:51:28 NewLiberty: I don't want to know what they did to the tiger to encourage that kind of fortifying

16:51:30 mircea_popescu: no, they crush baby bones let them sit for 8 years

16:52:24 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-02-2015#1032999 << somehow... we were aware

16:52:24 assbot: Logged on 25-02-2015 08:22:52; gmaxwell: man y'all will get a kick out of the latest foundation lol-event. They have some _utterly_ braindead 'blockchain voting' scheme for their board vote run off (gotta love changing voting infrastructure mid election for election integrity)

16:54:27 gabriel_laddel: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/property/pictures/9888398/Overhead-photos-of-cramped-apartments-in-Hong-Kong.html?frame=2489576

16:54:29 assbot: Overhead photos of cramped apartments in Hong Kong - Telegraph ... ( http://bit.ly/1EQCbgN )

16:55:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15488 @ 0.00041373 = 6.4079 BTC [-] {2}

16:58:06 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-02-2015#1033036 << it implies the awkward situation where he's been an idiot, doesn't know how to beg forgiveness, represents instead that hey, at least claiming /his/ taste is somehow involved. at least that protects ego a little.

16:58:06 assbot: Logged on 25-02-2015 08:49:12; gmaxwell: cazalla: not my taste doesn't necessarily imply an active dislike.

16:59:14 mircea_popescu: !up Phraust

17:01:51 mircea_popescu: "the alleged hacking of SIM card encryption keys" eh ?

17:02:38 mircea_popescu: assbot: State Department spokeswoman floats jobs as answer to ISIS | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=23-02-2015#1030497

17:02:38 assbot: Logged on 23-02-2015 15:20:03; mircea_popescu: the ONLY way i'd have them fighting overseas is if congress approves this plan whereby a) all territory we step on gets granted territory status ; b) soldiers once veteranized are rewarded in homesteads there, and HAVE TO marry local

17:03:35 Phraust: thanks.

17:04:06 mircea_popescu: yw

17:04:43 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-02-2015#1033119 << that may not be exactly misleading, it may just be he spoke too early. maybe the plan is to pop the sks system, and if they put a little pressure who exactly is going to stand up to it ?

17:04:43 assbot: Logged on 25-02-2015 14:34:59; mats: also deliberately misleading folks about widespread use with the quantity of keys on sks keyservers

17:04:55 mircea_popescu: (we, of course, which prolly means we're redoing the sks too)

17:06:18 PeterL: add that to the #b-a todo list?

17:06:42 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-02-2015#1033123 << yes but social media crowd "has no time". somehow they can jump the moment the damned phone blink, but to spend an hour to think quietly with a book ? not possibru.

17:06:42 assbot: Logged on 25-02-2015 14:39:34; lobbes: "Looking forward, however, I think of GPG as a glorious experiment that has run its course. The journalists who depend on it struggle with it and often mess up (“I send you the private key to communicate privately, right?”)" << lol, this doesn't sound like a problem with gpg. I'll never understand this 'hard-to-use' argument. Just take an afternoon and learn the fundamentals!

17:06:50 mircea_popescu: "wouldja like brainfries with that ?"

17:07:00 mircea_popescu: PeterL not just yet.

17:07:34 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-02-2015#1033125 << what we've learneds is to take the usg party at the opposite of its word.

17:07:34 assbot: Logged on 25-02-2015 14:42:59; mats: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9104188 >> mike_hearn "In the world of crypto, where we've learned so much, yes old means bad. Almost always... How many crypto geeks STILL spout rubbish about how the PKI is totally busted and the web of trust is the future? Way too many... The future of encrypted messaging is not GPG."

17:07:56 mircea_popescu: but that quote is fucking epic.

17:08:33 BingoBoingo: but, how could the chief scientusk of BitcoinXT be wrong?

17:09:28 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell bitstein in a purely ops perspective, it's always a bad idea to link those you disagree with. replace with a link to something you agree to. @moxie knows what he wrote.

17:09:28 gribble: The operation succeeded.

17:09:34 mircea_popescu: wait wut ?

17:09:39 nubbins`: today i learned it is legal to sell and serve dog meat in canada

17:10:13 mircea_popescu: nubbins` it's often enough eatne in spain.

17:10:36 mircea_popescu: anyway, the speed at which the entire world seems to be coagulating around us is nothing short of impressive.

17:10:36 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: BitcoinXT is the hearn foundation Bitcoin fork which has all kinds of features even Gavin rejected because they make nodes incredibly more DoS attackable

17:11:10 mircea_popescu: that b-a drives "biutcoin foundation" policy is not even remarkable. that assets like the marlinspike dood are thrown in the fray to try and prevent a wot based republic however...

17:11:32 mircea_popescu: at this rate indiancandy1 is getting replaced with madonna on the short term.

17:11:52 nubbins`: mildly amusing to see this phoundation push for full nodes after it started being worked on in here

17:12:05 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo oh that lol. eh, nobody cares.

17:12:14 mircea_popescu: nubbins` rather.

17:12:59 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo and you know, if you follow the course of events, #1 we went to anti-uspoettering debvian chan

17:13:12 mircea_popescu: next week ? ra ra ra "no wot plox"

17:16:06 BingoBoingo: It is amusing. Still when it comes time to replace GPG it will look more like https://github.com/tedu/reop than any Moxenslit iPerson thing (except... with RSA support and done in ADA/Common Lisp)

17:16:08 assbot: tedu/reop · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1EQFV1Z )

17:18:10 chetty: http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/21310/

17:18:12 assbot: ‘Activism’ class at University of Michigan teaches capitalism should be ‘overthrown’ ... ( http://bit.ly/1EQGdWA )

17:18:55 mircea_popescu: but by all means.

17:24:50 mircea_popescu: in unrelated news, chetty just found a layered bug in the stack eulora uses. one bug prevented the functionality (wrong pointer reference) ; the other bug prevented the previous bug from crashing every single machine all the time.

17:25:00 mircea_popescu: one suspects this is what counts for fixing.

17:30:50 BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2015/02/ny-environmental-protection-raid-drives-suicide/

17:30:51 assbot: NY "Environmental Protection" Raid Drives Suicide | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1EQIiBX )

17:32:24 mircea_popescu: o.O

17:32:44 mircea_popescu: til internet dictionaries define indigence as "the state of being poor".

17:32:58 mircea_popescu: this is exactly wrong. indigence is the state of being worthless.

17:34:27 bitstein: mircea_popescu: Good advice, thanks.

17:36:55 mircea_popescu: "That a public education system could disgorge untold legions of literate, numerate, and motivated graduates is beyond their collective comprehension. How unlucky the Caucasoid races are to have all the kids with learning disabilities."

17:36:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100850 @ 0.00042255 = 42.6142 BTC [+] {3}

17:37:02 mircea_popescu: bwahahaha al is pretty cool.

17:37:06 mircea_popescu: http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/korea.htm

17:37:07 assbot: BEING A GRACIOUS WINNER ... ( http://bit.ly/1EQJvJj )

17:38:51 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: gonna guess it was a 'suicide' rather than suicide

17:39:04 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: or there'd be at least a few dead polizei

17:39:49 asciilifeform: or what, he kept pistol with exactly one bullet, like a cosmonaut ?

17:40:05 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Reportedly did it in a locked bathroom with a .357 magnum

17:40:58 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not everyone's the outgoing kind.

17:43:44 mircea_popescu: http://41.media.tumblr.com/3be524ce48d460c8ac02c7233198d107/tumblr_mvahj3b29T1qhisfxo1_1280.jpg << pony!

17:43:46 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1EQKBoD )

17:45:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26012 @ 0.00041268 = 10.7346 BTC [-]

17:45:40 mircea_popescu: "There just seems to be something particular about people who try GPG and conclude that it?s a realistic path to introducing private communication in their lives for casual correspondence with strangers. Increasingly, it?s a club that I don?t want to belong to anymore." << well... granted, eh.

17:46:21 mircea_popescu: the oil and the water are separating, and no welfarist state-sponsored mixer can do anything abotu the accelerating rate.

17:47:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11038 @ 0.00040978 = 4.5232 BTC [-]

17:47:08 mircea_popescu: "Worse, it turns out that nobody else found all this stuff to be fascinating. Even though GPG has been around for almost 20 years, there are only ~50,000 keys in the ?strong set,? and less than 4 million keys have ever been published to the SKS keyserver pool ever. By today?s standards, that?s a shockingly small user base for a month of activity, much less 20 years."

17:47:33 mircea_popescu: "nobody else" as in, all people are equal, getting a 50k elite out of a 4mn aspirational set out of a 1bn population is somehow unexpected and un-natural.

17:49:06 PeterL: do people use keys not submitted to key servers?

17:50:59 mircea_popescu: "What we have

17:51:00 mircea_popescu: Today, journalists use GPG to communicate with sources securely, activists use it to coordinate world wide, and software companies use it to help secure their infrastructure. Some really heroic people have put in an enormous amount of effort to get us here, at substantial personal cost, and with little support.

17:51:00 mircea_popescu: Looking forward, however, I think of GPG as a very dangerous technology that really has to go away if we're serious about making it impossible for journalists, their sources, activists and other enemies of the state to survive in a NSA/TSA/ETC-only world."

17:51:16 mircea_popescu: PeterL sure, there's nothing but convenience requiring it.

17:51:32 PeterL: so that number of users could be understated

17:51:35 mircea_popescu: as a side note : secure comunication via gpg works as follows :

17:51:45 mircea_popescu: 1) you find the public key of the public interface you wish to use

17:52:01 mircea_popescu: 2) you generate - SECURELY (see airgap guide etc) a new keypair for yourself

17:52:17 mircea_popescu: 3) you send mail to 1 using 2 and including pubkey for your new key.

17:52:54 mircea_popescu: this can be repeated as many times as you wish, and it can also be used as an otr process (just make new key for each exchange).

17:54:02 danielpbarron: for the logs, perfect forward secrecy ^

17:54:49 mircea_popescu: half way, because if the public interface is compromised it still sees all your emails.

17:55:24 mircea_popescu: "Even the projects that attempt to use it as a dependency struggle." heh

17:55:49 danielpbarron: the people throwing this term around are advocates of some fully automated process that runs on their phone, so...

17:58:41 mircea_popescu: http://www.thoughtcrime.org/blog/gpg-and-me/#comment-1875102607

17:58:42 assbot: Moxie Marlinspike >> Blog >> GPG And Me ... ( http://bit.ly/1vzhAhb )

17:58:51 mircea_popescu: disqus eh

18:00:44 thestringpuller: GPG is bad SSL good!

18:00:56 thestringpuller: ^- the new propaganda on encryption

18:01:29 thestringpuller: d00d from FBI wants to outlaw GPG in US (again)

18:01:52 mircea_popescu: doh.

18:02:01 mircea_popescu: and still pushing the pki ridiculousness.

18:02:04 mircea_popescu: "oh, it works."

18:02:11 mircea_popescu: "it just works!!! "

18:02:28 mircea_popescu: i wonder if i could sell some cars to these idiots that are really wooden crates with lcd screen inside.

18:02:36 mircea_popescu: "takes you wherever you want to go! not really..."

18:02:52 mircea_popescu: "but it's just as good and much easier to use than a car!11"

18:03:42 PeterL: and gets better gas mileage!

18:03:46 mircea_popescu: way.

18:03:51 thestringpuller: the sad thing is you could do that and prob get bonus at some firm in the US

18:03:56 PeterL: fully electric even!

18:04:14 mircea_popescu: plus, it prevents not only traffic accidents (leading cause of death!) but also, this one time, this guy used a car and was robbed!

18:05:02 danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-01-2015#989461

18:05:02 assbot: Logged on 23-01-2015 21:26:58; asciilifeform: the fastest, thickest, most luxurious car is --- not having to go places.

18:05:16 mircea_popescu: i should probably ycombinate a start-up to deploy tons of these in old warehouses across the us

18:05:30 mircea_popescu: get some fed grants for it, idiots will prolly go in the box just to be different...

18:05:51 mircea_popescu: soon enough a "competitor" to gm has been born.

18:06:03 mircea_popescu: and prolly have more market cap than gm, as far as that goes.

18:06:26 PeterL: and politicians will promise "an MP-car for every garage!"

18:07:01 mircea_popescu: well... 200sqft "studio", as the case may be.

18:07:02 PeterL: heh, I like that name, because when you say it MP-car sounds alot like empty-car

18:07:09 mircea_popescu: lol so it does.

18:09:06 BingoBoingo: MT Car, by Mircea Trabant company

18:09:30 mircea_popescu: lol

18:10:00 mircea_popescu: http://33.media.tumblr.com/2bdf04c34b7f80baf2346fd55e3c61ec/tumblr_n2l0330B3N1toca06o1_400.gif << this is one brave babe.

18:10:04 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1vzjs9P )

18:13:04 jurov: dunno better comparison to pki would be a car without steering whell, steered by usg

18:13:25 jurov: which there already are some

18:14:03 thestringpuller: lol self driving car in future prevents you from going to certain places.

18:14:16 thestringpuller: "I want to go to the strip club" "Cannot drive to that destination"

18:14:24 mircea_popescu: nah, because a) the usg doesn't care to steer you a particular direction. it only wants you to not move - it's a bureaucracy after all, it has no resources to deal with change, nor can change mean anything but it's ass ; b) the illusion of free wheeling is what's important.

18:14:34 chetty: and delivers you to the gasenwagen when the time comes

18:14:57 chetty: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/414380/fcc-chair-refuses-testify-congress-ahead-net-neutrality-vote-andrew-johnson

18:14:58 assbot: National Review ... ( http://bit.ly/1vzki6g )

18:15:07 mircea_popescu: lol you can do that now ?

18:15:17 mircea_popescu: "o hey, i refuse to testify. fu."

18:15:27 thestringpuller: chetty: or turns into a gasenwagen! gas just starts spewing out.

18:15:46 chetty: well I guess they still sorta respect the 5th amendment, might be the only one left

18:16:16 thestringpuller: except when you exercise it they just throw you into a hole

18:16:22 mircea_popescu: uh... his family is somehow involved ?

18:18:42 chetty: well this fcc chair was against net nuetrality a while back, then he had a meeting with ?? and 332 pags of new regulation (stamped secret) appeared. You figure it out

18:20:18 mircea_popescu: so basically, no high speed for the us. ever.

18:20:35 mircea_popescu: being humiliated by shitholes like romania apparently isn't going to be a temporary situation.

18:22:20 chetty: well I guess the usaians need to learn from the greeks how make mesh nets

18:24:59 mircea_popescu: no see, the socialised medicine is just good enopugh to prevent an actually useful, individual solution.

18:25:25 mircea_popescu: it's how africa's being "helped" : ban the perfectly fine fillament lightbulbs just as they get to where they could maybe make some, trickle in a little food so most people don't want to work.

18:25:41 mircea_popescu: same thing will be with the fcc internet : just fast enough people don't start making an independent one.

18:26:57 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform 's "gravity hole" is a constructive element, not a random occurence.

18:30:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25100 @ 0.00042433 = 10.6507 BTC [+]

18:32:36 chetty: same thing will be with the fcc internet : just fast enough people don't start making an independent one.// speed will not be the only issue, think china

18:34:08 BingoBoingo: But the FCC internet will give users Fat Pipes, to better DoS real people with.

18:37:05 chetty: anybody tried raising pigeons?

18:37:17 ben_vulpes: ;;seen pigeons

18:37:17 gribble: pigeons was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 30 weeks, 3 days, 1 hour, 40 minutes, and 0 seconds ago: <pigeons> so far that seems accurate

18:48:13 jurov: lol....guess using drones is cheaper than pigeons by now

18:48:27 BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field

18:48:31 ascii_field: ty BingoBoingo!

18:49:18 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: high speed << not actually a major problem in the american population centres

18:49:22 ascii_field: it's the other stuff.

18:49:51 ascii_field: (e.g. i get ~100 megabaud and can get 500 if paid a little more)

18:51:06 ascii_field: decimation: how can any kind of signal magically compromise a stu? << no magic necessary, just ordinary heterodyne

18:54:17 mircea_popescu: ascii_field not so far.

18:54:35 mircea_popescu: however, romania is, like all of asia, on gbps sorta thing

18:54:48 ascii_field: for ~1/5 the cost, probably, yes

18:54:57 mircea_popescu: usual 30 bux a month

18:55:10 ascii_field: but decent bandwidth isn't this totally unattainable thing in gringolandia

18:55:23 ascii_field: just costs a few times mroe

18:55:25 ascii_field: *more

18:56:08 ascii_field: (and price goes up geometrically with distance from major 'icbm targets')

18:56:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24231 @ 0.00042433 = 10.2819 BTC [+]

18:56:20 mircea_popescu: more's the point : it won't stay that way.

18:56:35 mircea_popescu: no argument that health care was attainable in the us cca 2010. just cost a liuttle more.

18:56:36 ascii_field: !s internet of the future

18:56:37 assbot: 8 results for 'internet of the future' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=internet+of+the+future

18:56:42 mircea_popescu: it will not be, for any sum, by 2020.

18:57:40 ascii_field: 'For a goat may butt, and a worm may sting, / And a child will sometimes stand; / But a poor dead soldier of the King / Can never lift a hand.' (herr kipling)

18:57:50 ascii_field: don't expect much of anything from usa 2020.

19:00:18 ascii_field: orlov, interestingly, argued that high speed net is key in the modern usg 'panem et circenses' program and will chug along long after problems with supplying the basics of life have begun

19:00:36 ascii_field: but it'll be the 'internet of the future' rather than what we're using now.

19:01:07 mircea_popescu: actually intermittent low bw internet would be better for that purpose. keep the redditard busy

19:01:20 BingoBoingo: "Netflix"

19:03:34 mircea_popescu: ah there is that.

19:04:55 BingoBoingo: "Streaming Video" and online gaming are the USG approved application of surplus bandwidth

19:05:51 ascii_field: don't forget streaming audio from microphones chump voluntarily keeps in the house, car, etc

19:07:46 BingoBoingo: Well, has to go both directions

19:11:24 BingoBoingo: !up BayAreaCoins

19:11:29 BingoBoingo: !up jborkl

19:11:33 BingoBoingo: !up felipelalli

19:11:36 BayAreaCoins: Thanks Bingo

19:12:31 BayAreaCoins: MP do you plan on pulling the CLAM bet on BitBet or is it going to run its course? If you do cancel it I assume the coins will just be sent to the payment addresses?

19:13:36 mircea_popescu: which bet is this ?

19:13:47 BayAreaCoins: MP, https://bitbet.us/bet/1121/clam-losing-grip-sells-0-0029-or-lower/

19:13:48 assbot: BitBet - CLAM losing grip -> sells 0.0029 or lower before April 25th :: 0.18 B (3%) on Yes, 5.08 B (97%) on No | closing in 1 month 3 weeks | weight: 93`348 (100`000 to 10) ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dqxbjc )

19:14:19 mircea_popescu: its gonna run.

19:14:22 jborkl: sup bitches

19:14:29 punkman: "144 Universities Warn Congress Pending Patent Legislation Would Harm U.S. Innovation System" http://www.aau.edu/policy/article.aspx?id=15923

19:14:31 assbot: Association of American Universities ... ( http://bit.ly/1DqxjiT )

19:15:07 BayAreaCoins: Thanks MP.

19:15:15 mircea_popescu: np np

19:15:17 BayAreaCoins: Y'all fellas have a nice day.

19:19:28 BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field

19:20:23 ascii_field: danke BingoBoingo

19:26:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20890 @ 0.00042422 = 8.862 BTC [-]

19:38:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12600 @ 0.00041732 = 5.2582 BTC [-]

19:47:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4850 @ 0.00041492 = 2.0124 BTC [-]

19:48:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31124 @ 0.00042291 = 13.1627 BTC [+] {2}

19:48:37 BingoBoingo: !up btcat

19:48:46 BingoBoingo: Hello btcat

19:49:12 btcat: hello

19:51:14 BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field

19:51:24 ascii_field: ty BingoBoingo

19:52:53 mircea_popescu: ascii_field dun take it teh wrong way, but! the thanking is kinda spammy.

19:52:59 ascii_field: ok

20:02:35 mike_c: if we could sign into b-a with our facebook accounts we wouldn't have to get up'ed when we were in the field.

20:02:50 ascii_field: with anal print

20:03:17 mircea_popescu: but i don't have a facebook account ;/

20:03:26 ben_vulpes: there an assbot persistent otp link per key?

20:04:05 mircea_popescu: i thought they're single use ?

20:04:35 ben_vulpes: sure, the otp itself.

20:06:24 BingoBoingo: http://www.stltoday.com/lifestyles/columns/joe-holleman/tv-anchor-kristi-capel-off-air-until-monday-after-racial/article_4baebdde-0073-5af4-b9f9-3b93a09e045d.html

20:06:25 assbot: TV anchor Kristi Capel off air until Monday after racial slur : Lifestyles ... ( http://bit.ly/1LEh5V2 )

20:08:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12000 @ 0.00042147 = 5.0576 BTC [-]

20:12:39 mircea_popescu: !up jux

20:13:40 jux: they just mentioned this place on teamspeak so i am checking it out

20:13:46 mircea_popescu: who's they

20:14:07 jux: teamspeak all the audio bitcoin chatters/traders

20:14:50 mircea_popescu: aha

20:19:57 thestringpuller: a lot of new people are stopping in

20:20:00 thestringpuller: welcome guise

20:22:04 thestringpuller: !up assbot

20:22:11 thestringpuller: !up ascii_field

20:26:54 mats: teamspeak sounds like a horrifically bad medium to communicate with more than, say, three people at a time

20:28:59 mircea_popescu: notmuch worse than the historical forum.

20:29:14 mircea_popescu: most decent guild players have meanwhile learned to stfu / use it sanely.

20:31:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15150 @ 0.00041819 = 6.3356 BTC [-]

20:33:14 BingoBoingo: http://burnedoutmedic.com/2014/02/what-are-politicians-doing-thats-so-important-that-they-travel-with-lights-and-sirens/

20:33:16 assbot: What ARE politicians doing that’s so important that they travel with lights and sirens? | Burned-Out Medic ... ( http://bit.ly/1LEo00t )

20:33:35 ascii_field: BingoBoingo: sop in ru

20:33:40 ascii_field: for decades.

20:33:45 mircea_popescu: and the answer is "nothing".

20:33:52 mircea_popescu: that's it : unimportance must be masked.

20:34:07 ascii_field: ru politicos even fight to decide who merits 'blinker' - like roman lictors

20:34:53 trinque: got the deedbot blockchain up to date yesterday, haxed on the transaction creating guy

20:35:17 trinque: mired in irl work until this evening, but will be finishing up then

20:35:43 mircea_popescu: cool.

20:36:16 trinque: not to derail current convos, but I finally caught up on the current events blockchain as well

20:36:23 trinque: are we really trying to instigate wwiii?

20:36:32 trinque: advisors in ukraine like 'nam

20:36:39 trinque: tanks in europe, etc

20:36:49 danielpbarron: hi jux :D

20:36:58 trinque: I feel like I'm going to get my startup profitable just as the roof caves in

20:40:25 danielpbarron: https://twitter.com/flibbr/status/570684349152165888 @danielpbarron I have insiders in #bitcoin-assets now. I am inviting you onto the teamspeak. It'd be rude not to show your face :)

20:40:27 assbot: /danielpbarron Daniel r u going to come onto this 200+ user global bitcoin teamspeak channel and bring your cult /hashtag/bitcoinassets?src=hash mates?

20:41:49 chetty: 200+ people talking at once? oh what fun, hold me back

20:42:58 danielpbarron: I joined his google hangout one time; the guy was so flabbergasted with my position that he kept repeating explitives relating to how unbelievable it was

20:43:03 mircea_popescu: trinque it's usually how that works.

20:43:36 trinque: mircea_popescu: heh, I've always figured I'd be dragging myself out of rubble at some point

20:43:56 trinque: haven't ever been certain whether that was a metaphor

20:44:17 lobbes: fatmouse is coming

20:44:18 chetty: think of all the fun to be had rebuilding trinque

20:44:37 danielpbarron: aww the "insider" left

20:44:40 mircea_popescu: anyway, the notion that dod is dumb enough to re-do vietnam...

20:44:54 ascii_field: re-do iraq

20:45:00 ascii_field: re-do afghan

20:45:08 mircea_popescu: it's all just one dumb redo huh

20:45:16 ascii_field: what else -does- it do

20:45:38 mircea_popescu: myea

20:46:25 trinque: chetty: one hopes it's an opportunity for greatness to emerge

20:48:48 mircea_popescu: the only practical thing it does is it forces women to shut up, with the resultant shutdown of welfare, classes with no grades, coddled children etc.

20:48:56 mats: http://codemachine.com/article_x64deepdive.html

20:49:06 mircea_popescu: you'd think this could be modulated in the head rather than in the welted butt.

20:52:52 ascii_field: mats: basic winblows

20:54:22 BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field

20:54:35 mats: yeup.

20:54:51 mats: learning windows internals is a daily struggle...

20:56:51 mircea_popescu: ahhh the splendor that is tlp. allow me to quote http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2008/07/academics_hide_drug_company_pa.html

20:56:52 assbot: The Last Psychiatrist: Academics Hide Drug Company Payments ... ( http://bit.ly/1LEu8pA )

20:57:14 mircea_popescu: Believe me, I am no friend of Biederman's. But the money is a red herring. If you want to be angry about the specific ethics of a psychiatrist receiving Pharma money, fine, but I am telling you it is not worth the Senate time, not worth press space.

20:57:14 mircea_popescu: The real money, the real problem that goes unmentioned is the money that goes to universities, in the form of research grants. Biederman may have pocketed $1M, but I'm sure he was awarded much, much more for clinical trials-- money which he didn't get any of, which went to Harvard.

20:57:14 mircea_popescu: We aren't overmedicating kids because Biederman told us to; we're doing it because Harvard told us to. And Harvard told us to because that is what they are getting money to study. Biederman is just the nanobot that does it.

20:57:16 mircea_popescu: If Biederman never existed, nothing would be different. You read his resume, you think, wow, he's a big player. You don't realize that if he didn't exist there would be some other person in his exact position, who would also have become a Distinguished Professor, won awards, written 450 publications, etc. The machine was already in place, his slot was going to get filled; his mind didn't discover anything, those res

20:57:21 mircea_popescu: ults were coming no matter what, those publications were already going to be written.

20:57:23 mircea_popescu: The money isn't corrupting him into thinking childhood bipolar is underdiagnosed-- he truly believes it. The reason he believes it is his entire professional existence-- his whole identity-- is predicated on believing it. He's not a scientist, he's a priest.

20:57:56 mircea_popescu: if anyone in any position of "big playerness" in fiat is curious to see exactly how true this is ? take a week to not do anything. at all.

20:58:28 mircea_popescu: hey, you're a big player, right ? not doing anything is the default, i'm sure caesar could sit on his ass in the castrum and play dice with the centurions for three straight winters if he so wanted.

20:58:52 mircea_popescu: it's not that he didn't trhat makes him one of those big players, it's that it was solely his option to do so, and didn't.

20:59:10 mircea_popescu: is the same the case for you ? if you simply stop doing your cog-part, is there any pressure ?

20:59:20 mircea_popescu: how long can you stop the machine before you're simply replaced ?

20:59:23 mircea_popescu: that's the measure of power.

21:02:54 pete_dushenski: sort of why obama fills every moment of every day meeting with various online celebs

21:03:04 pete_dushenski: if he sat still for a moment, you'd forget who was in the white house

21:04:20 pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2015/02/25/count-your-blessings-government-employees-to-say-nothing-of-your-days/

21:04:21 assbot: Count your blessings, government employees, to say nothing of your days. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1LEvTTR )

21:05:49 trinque: mircea_popescu: how can anything be done about that particular problem of identity?

21:06:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9850 @ 0.00042147 = 4.1515 BTC [+]

21:08:08 trinque: trying to articulate the actual question

21:08:50 trinque: seems having a name creates this bundle of "I am" in the head, which people protect as they do their own bodies

21:09:50 trinque: or even at the cost of their actual bodies

21:10:52 mircea_popescu: trinque which particular problem is that ?

21:11:33 mircea_popescu: identity is the result of action. action requires agency. a perverse system (such as any high density population will always create) separates action from agency. ("i'm only doing my job").

21:12:16 mircea_popescu: this results in broken identity, and there's literally no solution except carnage (bring down that density), which is why people who figure it out usually leave a note where their assault rifles used to be.

21:12:32 trinque: saw you link joe stack the other day

21:12:42 trinque: friends and I had a little celebration that day

21:13:01 mircea_popescu: commemoration ?

21:13:08 ascii_field: doing my job << 'i wüz ünly föllöwing ürderz'

21:13:27 trinque: mircea_popescu: yeah

21:13:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34500 @ 0.00041818 = 14.4272 BTC [-] {2}

21:13:46 mircea_popescu: the entire "act from cause not towards purpose" thing on fraudsters is exactly a vaccine against that.

21:13:49 trinque: his note got a little slogan laden, but I unerstand the grief

21:13:54 thestringpuller: ah pete_dushenski the trap philosopher :D

21:13:57 *: thestringpuller waves

21:14:12 trinque: mircea_popescu: that's an exceptionally clarifying statement, and one which I think helps me articulate the identity thing

21:14:19 mircea_popescu: if person has enough sense to limit how much agencyless activity they put out, they will stand a much better chance to develop an actual idenity, and so not find themselves at age 40 flying planes into buildings.

21:15:51 ascii_field: http://www.cabinetmagazine.org/issues/42/wiles.php << obligatory

21:15:52 assbot: CABINET // The Behavioral Sink ... ( http://bit.ly/1EsPxlx )

21:16:01 pete_dushenski: thestringpuller ;)

21:16:23 ascii_field: 'Normal social discourse within the mouse community broke down, and with it the ability of mice to form social bonds. The failures and dropouts congregated in large groups in the middle of the enclosure, their listless withdrawal occasionally interrupted by spasms and waves of pointless violence. The victims of these random attacks became attackers. Left on their own in nests subject to invasion, nursing females attacked

21:16:23 ascii_field: their own young. Procreation slumped, infant abandonment and mortality soared. Lone females retreated to isolated nesting boxes on penthouse levels. Other males, a group Calhoun termed “the beautiful ones,” never sought sex and never fought—they just ate, slept, and groomed, wrapped in narcissistic introspection.'

21:17:12 trinque: mircea_popescu: when I became disillusioned with god and state, that involved a realization that I could feel towards myself any way I saw fit

21:17:23 trinque: my identity is as imagined as the god I used to believe in

21:22:47 thestringpuller: 16:18 -!- hanbot [~hanbot@unaffiliated/hanbot] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds]

21:22:50 thestringpuller: 16:18 -!- mircea_popescu [~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds]

21:22:55 thestringpuller: ^^^- the stuff conspiracy theories are made of ;)

21:24:29 cazalla: logs were an interesting read this morning

21:37:40 pete_dushenski: cazalla the gmaxwell bit ?

21:40:26 cazalla: pete_dushenski, moxie and gpg discussion

21:40:42 pete_dushenski: o ya, i called his ass out yesterday

21:40:50 pete_dushenski: sorta what kicked the whole thing off on twitter at least

21:41:37 pete_dushenski: https://twitter.com/pete_dushenski/status/570369084186972160

21:41:39 assbot: I used to dream of a world where everyone would install GPG. Now I dream of a world where I can uninstall it: http://t.co/eRZ0hdlmgx

21:42:03 cazalla: yeah, i read the twitter discussion too

21:44:08 pete_dushenski: usg's gotta throw all its turds at the wall

21:44:14 pete_dushenski: not that surprising

21:44:22 pete_dushenski: use what you can

21:45:17 pete_dushenski: then again, i'd never heard of moxie until he decided to be a retard so i dunno if he really had that much cred to begin with. i assume he was small but not insignificant

21:45:43 cazalla: moxie is australian if memory serves

21:46:07 pete_dushenski: go roos!

21:46:25 pete_dushenski: decimation:re: federal employees overpaid < I suspect the whole system operates as a net with a hole - all the talent get sucked in and immediately leaves, but the bottom suckers end up 'caught' << their getting caught is like a lottery winner getting caught

21:46:30 mike_c: he's done some cool stuff in the past. most famous (at least to me) for some ssl mitm stuff he built.

21:46:37 pete_dushenski: fortunate beasts are they who don't starve as nature intended

21:46:39 cazalla: unless i'm confusing him with someone else, i remember the name from an aussie forum 15 years back where one could learn to use a mcdonald's straw to get free phone calls from payphones.. amongst other things lol

21:48:10 pete_dushenski: mats:give it another four years and all the useful combat vets will have exited the service out of sheer disgust << to go work at sbux for schultzy ?

21:48:40 mats: the ones that aren't broke from carrying 70+ combat loads, sure.

21:48:50 pete_dushenski: shultz is on record as saying that he plans to hire 10k veterans in the next couple of years

21:48:55 mats: rest, civil service, fire & police depts, ...

21:49:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17398 @ 0.0004214 = 7.3315 BTC [+] {2}

21:49:21 mats: 70+ lbs*

21:49:24 pete_dushenski: i suppose there are less useful uses for us military training than caramel frappuccinos

21:50:12 pete_dushenski: mats and academi!

21:50:32 mats: pff. 'triple canopy'.

21:51:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37525 @ 0.0004243 = 15.9219 BTC [+] {2}

21:52:31 mats: working for a PMC is a sweet hustle. get into a NG SF group, take work leave, teach iraqis trig so they can do some basic artillery targeting.

21:55:42 pete_dushenski: sounds like a regular holiday.

21:59:48 mats: it'd be a holiday for me.

22:01:22 mats: http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/2/25/dc-recreational-marijuana-use-set-to-become-legal.html

22:01:23 assbot: DC recreational marijuana use set to become legal | Al Jazeera America ... ( http://bit.ly/1A7BSKe )

22:08:45 pete_dushenski: that's going to make for one psychadelic cardano

22:09:36 pete_dushenski: i can already see the beads and henna ink on the case design

22:10:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45202 @ 0.00041741 = 18.8678 BTC [-] {2}

22:11:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4648 @ 0.00041069 = 1.9089 BTC [-]

22:16:53 danielpbarron: You are blocked from following @moxie and viewing @moxie's Tweets. Learn more << LOL

22:17:14 pete_dushenski: heh

22:17:25 pete_dushenski: block all the mean peoples!

22:17:44 pete_dushenski: i had a bunch of people who'd blocked me last i checked

22:17:47 danielpbarron: b-a is like the one place i'm allowed on the internet

22:17:55 pete_dushenski: gavin, derpopoolous, marc andresen, etc

22:18:28 danielpbarron: yeah aantonop blocked me too :D

22:18:41 pete_dushenski: to quote myself: "IRC, it being the first, biggest, bestest bastion of free-thinking men and all that"

22:18:52 danielpbarron: Achievement unlocked: get blocked by 5 sc4mz0rz.

22:19:24 pete_dushenski: it should definitely count towards lordship consideration

22:21:06 pete_dushenski: http://lifehacker.com/five-best-file-encryption-tools-5677725 << bravo for mentioning gpg!

22:21:07 assbot: Five Best File Encryption Tools ... ( http://bit.ly/1A7DZOb )

22:22:59 cazalla: yeah irc is the best, not sure why i left it so many years ago in favour of icq, msn messenger, steam chat treadmill

22:27:24 cazalla: only difference.. i swear there were more girls in #teenchat back in the 90s or at least more boys pretending to be girls

22:28:01 pete_dushenski: figured i'd send the lifehacker dood an invite: https://twitter.com/pete_dushenski/status/570711085440897024

22:28:02 assbot: Hey /halophoenix, tip of the cap for mentioning GPG in your list of 'best file encryption tools'. Consider this an invite to bitcoin-assets.

22:28:48 pete_dushenski: cazalla being geeky isn't cool for girls anymore unless it involves a phablet

22:29:09 pete_dushenski: and quite despite the 'women in tech' lowering of barriers to entry

22:29:16 lobbes: 'faux-nerdism' is the rage nowadays

22:29:38 pete_dushenski: mya, big glasses, short skirts, the look, not the content

22:29:43 pete_dushenski: content is... hard

22:30:54 danielpbarron: the look isn't easy either -- need to use filters and camera angles that hide obesity and skin conditions

22:32:50 pete_dushenski: that's not easy ? there's like 1000 buzzfeed articles describing exactly how to do exactly that

22:33:23 *: pete_dushenski thinks this is how buzzfeed works, has only been to gawk at post-superbowl sharknanigans

22:39:54 pete_dushenski: cazalla re: kiddy porn: "Fortunately, the <del>hard hitting journalism</del> published by The Daily Mail" << doesn't parse with this part nixed

22:40:24 jurov: prolly with the "hard" left in

22:41:05 cazalla: yeah, couldn't think of another way to make it work so i left it as is, reader can replace it with whatever they so choose i guess

22:41:27 cazalla: half that report is just talking about bitcoin and drugs, not even cp

22:42:10 pete_dushenski: just un-nix journalism mebbe ?

22:42:38 pete_dushenski: http://qntra.net/2015/02/europol-uses-kiddy-porn-hysteria-to-attack-bitcoin/#comment-11666 << speaking of hard to use.

22:42:38 assbot: Europol Uses Kiddy Porn Hysteria To Attack Bitcoin | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1A7HELD )

22:42:54 cazalla: my own personal rule of thumb - those who task themselves to combat cp are more likely to be producers/consumers

23:03:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37400 @ 0.00041804 = 15.6347 BTC [+]

23:03:31 jurov: kako hasn't flushed the bash since feb 9

23:04:00 jurov: so i did.. ended up adding three pages... hes gonna kill me

23:04:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4900 @ 0.00041472 = 2.0321 BTC [-]

23:06:41 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: usual 30 bux a month << for 1 gbps ?! fuck me if that's even close to accurate.

23:06:57 pete_dushenski: $120/mo here gets... 120 gbps

23:07:30 pete_dushenski: $60 currently gets me 15 mbps

23:07:59 pete_dushenski: fast enough for my needs, but they're not exactly giving it away

23:09:02 pete_dushenski: ascii_field:don't forget streaming audio from microphones chump voluntarily keeps in the house, car, etc << when it's already in your pocket...

23:09:15 mike_c: sold, i'll take 120 gbps for $120.

23:10:45 pete_dushenski: alberta would love to have you :D http://www.shaw.ca/internet/highspeed-120/

23:10:47 assbot: Shaw High Speed Internet 120 - DSL Service | Connect & Download at the highest speeds ... ( http://bit.ly/1alxdiT )

23:12:03 pete_dushenski: !up ascii_field

23:13:11 ascii_field: pete_dushenski: gbps !?!?!

23:13:20 ascii_field: pete_dushenski: you're off by 1000 factor

23:13:29 ascii_field: pete_dushenski: according to vendor link

23:13:49 mike_c: insanity. qntra bids are over 0.0003? going to be the priciest share on mpex soon.

23:14:20 pete_dushenski: ascii_field lol so i was. *120 mbps

23:15:07 pete_dushenski: mr. henry (lifehacker author) is apparently flattered at the b-a invite: https://twitter.com/halophoenix/status/570723112498679808

23:15:08 assbot: Hey /halophoenix, tip of the cap for mentioning GPG in your list of 'best file encryption tools'. Consider this an invite to bitcoin-assets.

23:15:22 pete_dushenski: now, we wait and see if he turns that into action.

23:15:28 ascii_field: price 120gb/s sometime.

23:16:15 pete_dushenski: where could such a thing even exist ?

23:16:19 pete_dushenski: in theory-land ?

23:16:32 ascii_field: pete_dushenski: in data centre

23:16:58 pete_dushenski: mike_c i'll sell you my qntra shares for 1 btc each. best price.

23:17:26 pete_dushenski: ascii_field ok, so cost would be... ?

23:18:15 ascii_field: pete_dushenski: depends very much on locale

23:18:52 pete_dushenski: "Morgan Stanley to Pay $2.6 Billion to Settle Mortgage Cases" << more usg tax collection

23:19:13 pete_dushenski: "thank you for carrying out our policy, here's the bill"

23:19:53 pete_dushenski: ascii_field just so i can have a ballpark feel for the numbers, let's say dc

23:20:38 ascii_field: pete_dushenski: mid-five-digits (usd) per mo., most likely

23:20:57 pete_dushenski: hm cool

23:21:11 ascii_field: pete_dushenski: but keep in mind that data centre doesn't sell pipe alone

23:21:27 pete_dushenski: "Pakistan has ordered cellphone users to verify their identities through fingerprints for a national database being compiled to curb terrorism." << maybe pakis should read old nyt ? http://www.truthinjustice.org/fingerprint-myth.htm

23:21:28 assbot: The Myth of Fingerprints ... ( http://bit.ly/1zJ8GKq )

23:22:24 pete_dushenski: ascii_field duly observed

23:31:26 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Be aware that Henry is with a Gawker Media venture

23:31:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27779 @ 0.00041612 = 11.5594 BTC [+] {2}

23:32:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5779 @ 0.00041069 = 2.3734 BTC [-]

23:35:07 pete_dushenski: this, i know

23:35:20 pete_dushenski: hey, maybe we can recruit him for qntra after he does his 6 months

23:35:34 pete_dushenski: start chipping away at the establishment and all that

23:37:00 pete_dushenski: laters!

23:37:13 punkman: mircea_popescu: as a side note : secure comunication via gpg works as follows : << alt.anonymous.messages can also be useful

23:41:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15741 @ 0.00042433 = 6.6794 BTC [+]

23:54:18 punkman: http://www.zdnet.com/article/lenovo-website-hacked/

23:54:19 assbot: ​Lenovo website DNS record hijacked | ZDNet ... ( http://bit.ly/1ALV4Rg )