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00:45:53 shinohai: ded

01:37:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23580 @ 0.00045109 = 10.6367 BTC [+]

02:27:47 deedbot-: [» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] PSA: Don’t pay the bitcoin ransom. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/03/24/psa-dont-pay-the-bitcoin-ransom/

03:06:44 asciilifeform: http://www.metzdowd.com/pipermail/cryptography/2016-March/028824.html << lulz

03:06:45 assbot: [Cryptography] On the Impending Crypto Monoculture ... ( http://bit.ly/1VLJT6M )

03:07:04 asciilifeform: 'A number of IETF standards groups are currently in the process of applying the second-system effect to redesigning their crypto protocols. A major feature of these changes includes the dropping of traditional encryption algorithms and mechanisms like RSA, DH, ECDH/ECDSA, SHA-2, and AES, for a completely different set of mechanisms, including Curve25519 (designed by Dan Bernstein et al), EdDSA (Bernstein and colleagues), Poly

03:07:04 asciilifeform: 1305 (Bernstein again) and ChaCha20 (by, you guessed it, Bernstein).'

03:07:59 asciilifeform: ^ whole thing actually interesting and worth reading.

03:14:12 ben_vulpes: the "not a vote for b, but a vote against everything else" line made me tilt my head.

03:14:57 asciilifeform: 'the one-eyed man is king' (tm) (r)

03:42:14 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: ever mess around much with cola/jolt/pepsi/idst/friends?

03:43:04 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: barfed after reading the written materials.

03:43:06 asciilifeform: long ago.

03:43:35 *: asciilifeform quite deeply uninterested in c-os for c-machine.

03:43:58 asciilifeform: or whatever else on c-machine.

03:44:00 ben_vulpes: i hadn't realized it to be an os

03:44:46 asciilifeform: vaguely smalltalkish.

03:44:55 ben_vulpes: mhm.

07:22:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29200 @ 0.00050404 = 14.718 BTC [+]

11:20:21 danielpbarron: https://www.lookhuman.com/design/48274-floral-penis-pattern-blue

11:20:23 assbot: HUMAN - Floral Penis Pattern Blue - Homedecor | Pillow ... ( http://bit.ly/1UQ8NBf )

12:19:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20700 @ 0.00049588 = 10.2647 BTC [-]

13:19:40 BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2016/03/microsoft-left-impaired-ai-to-suffer-twitter-humiliation/#comment-49637 lol

13:19:41 assbot: Microsoft Left Impaired AI To Suffer Twitter Humiliation | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/25oghQW )

13:24:40 BingoBoingo: Breaking: Multiple Black people reportedly injured in several police raids, more to come once filtered by Pravda

13:26:08 shinohai: this is microsoft innovationz see

13:26:37 BingoBoingo: Nah, there's prior art, see Vexual

13:27:18 BingoBoingo: ;;later tell Vexual I'm sorry I've been ignoring you for months, but I've got to take my sobriety seriously if I want to live

13:27:19 gribble: The operation succeeded.

13:27:26 *: shinohai had a dream that Vexual was really TradeFortress and was trolling us all.

13:27:51 BingoBoingo: Vexual doesn't sound asian enough, but who knows

14:05:40 deedbot-: [Qntra] US Animal Suicides Require Motorist Warning - http://qntra.net/2016/03/us-animal-suicides-require-motorist-warning/

14:13:10 deedbot-: [Qntra] Verisign Patent Filing Covers Cryptocurrency Signing Scheme - http://qntra.net/2016/03/verisign-patent-filing-covers-cryptocurrency-signing-scheme/

14:37:10 deedbot-: [Qntra] Chicago To 'scape Around Hole - http://qntra.net/2016/03/chicago-to-scape-around-hole/

15:01:08 deedbot-: [Qntra] Small Usenet Provider In France Raided As Terrorists Strike Europe - http://qntra.net/2016/03/small-usenet-provider-in-france-raided-as-terrorists-strike-europe/

15:26:58 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-03-2016#1440210 >> 'A France-based Usenet provider says that his service has been raided and shutdown by the police. The 5,000 user 'Newsoo' service appears to have been a labor of love for its owner, but all data is now in the hands of authorities after he was arrested. A long-standing complaint by anti-piracy outfit SACEM appears to have been the trigger.' << what's next, 'last jewish s

15:26:58 assbot: Logged on 25-03-2016 15:01:08; deedbot-: [Qntra] Small Usenet Provider In France Raided As Terrorists Strike Europe - http://qntra.net/2016/03/small-usenet-provider-in-france-raided-as-terrorists-strike-europe/

15:26:58 asciilifeform: htetl in poland burned' ???

15:28:36 BingoBoingo: Well, if burned by police while EU capital is under assault

15:31:40 asciilifeform: cattle being slaughtered is a-ok. cattle sharing 133337 w4r3z!111111?!

15:35:16 *: asciilifeform had nfi there were any shtetl^H^H^H^H^H^Husenet isps left to burn

16:15:54 mats: 650tb, nice

16:43:34 asciilifeform: http://www.qlforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=321 << l0ltr0n1c, strictly for aficionados:

16:43:36 assbot: The QL Forum • View topic - Native 68k vs Coldfire vs FPGA vs recompilation ? ... ( http://bit.ly/22KRK6t )

16:43:45 asciilifeform: 'n the first ARM project I did, based on a TMS ARM M3 implementation, we found 2 bugs in the CPU and 4 in the GPU. These will actually never be corrected - the chips have already been declared obsolete, and new ones are out, with their own bugs. Sometimes the very implementation is asking for it - the last ARM-based MPU I used could easily be set to have memory cycles that end before they even start, completely needles and idi

16:43:45 asciilifeform: otic lack of thinking on the developer's part, because it does not get trapped by the in-circuit development hardware, but instead crashes the core... so out comes the 20-year old trusted Tektronix scope. So much for advanced development tools.'

16:44:50 BingoBoingo: !up PaulCapestany

16:44:53 BingoBoingo: lol asciilifeform

16:45:28 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i've been looking for the mythical beast of 'who still makes mc68k' for many years

16:45:35 asciilifeform: (answer: nobody)

16:45:48 BingoBoingo: That's the same conclusion I've had to reach

16:45:51 PaulCapestany: BingoBoingo hello

16:45:58 BingoBoingo: hello PaulCapestany

16:46:19 PaulCapestany: BingoBoingo what's up

16:46:31 BingoBoingo: Not all that much

16:46:34 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: well, not quite nobody, i did find a single solitary factory still making'em, $10 in qty 100+

16:47:20 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: it is part of my 'find the oldest silicon that could, potentially, bitcoinate in real time' thing.

16:47:27 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: But do these new ones process a bitcoin block in under 10 minutes?

16:47:56 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: block verification parallelizes to infinity

16:48:05 asciilifeform: the question becomes, ~how many~ of them.

16:48:15 BingoBoingo: aha

16:48:25 BingoBoingo: !Up da2ce7

16:56:51 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: https://octopart.com/mc68sec000aa16-freescale+semiconductor-488908

16:56:53 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/22KTnB2 )

16:57:03 asciilifeform: ^ the last remaining, afaik ^

16:57:21 asciilifeform: same part as found in ti-92 calculator, circa mid-90s

16:57:39 asciilifeform: http://www.datamath.org/Graphing/Images/TI-92_PLUS_CPU.jpg

16:57:41 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/22KTtbN )

16:58:13 asciilifeform: freescale co. bought the rights long ago

16:58:47 PaulCapestany: BingoBoingo how does a L1 bitcoin-assets n00b like myself level-up to L2? (was looking on wiki, but haven't come across an explanation yet..)

17:03:06 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: obligatory >> http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ld-jhkg3I34/T1hQ58wY5wI/AAAAAAAAEHA/OQ0LTKJDnnE/s1600/2012-03-07%2B22.24.59.jpg

17:03:08 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1MpW4nE )

17:05:17 asciilifeform: PaulCapestany: one 'levels up', if at all, ~from~ l2 to l1.

17:05:40 asciilifeform: !gettrust PaulCapestany

17:05:41 assbot: Trust relationship from user asciilifeform to user PaulCapestany: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=asciilifeform&to=PaulCapestany | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/PaulCapestany/

17:05:42 PaulCapestany: asciilifeform ah, gotcha

17:06:27 PaulCapestany: asciilifeform ooo.. thx (i think? heh)

17:06:47 asciilifeform: PaulCapestany: click the link, you will understand what is meant here

17:06:55 PaulCapestany: asciilifeform yeah I'm lookin

17:12:45 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Aha, I've got one of those

17:13:47 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Just don't have anything that runs 'top' on it yet to my knowledge

17:17:22 BingoBoingo: !up PaulCapestany

17:17:59 BingoBoingo: PaulCapestany: A good place to start would be !upping yourself

17:18:23 PaulCapestany: !up PaulCapestany

17:18:51 PaulCapestany: that's not what you meant I take it

17:18:59 PaulCapestany: still reading about WoT

17:19:29 shinohai: !rate nubbins` -10 I'll wear this as a badge of honour from a person too cowardly to negrate me in logs.

17:19:30 assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/7f7ce4e6b8c6b7d5

17:20:40 shinohai: !v assbot:shinohai.rate.nubbins`.-10:5417e802cf552217b0d3e0b7aba06e484814858f4cc1d6c3b129cd2bda92beef

17:20:40 assbot: Successfully added a rating of -10 for nubbins` with note: I'll wear this as a badge of honour from a person too cowardly to negrate me in logs.

17:21:09 PaulCapestany: BingoBoingo so I can !up myself via msg to assbot I see.. got it

17:27:34 BingoBoingo: PaulCapestany: I forget, what dustup were you notable for?

17:27:46 PaulCapestany: BingoBoingo hahah

17:28:24 PaulCapestany: "threatening" Bitcoin Classic "team"

17:30:10 PaulCapestany: the "reporter" got stuff wrong, but I thought it was cute that it got posted on news.bitcoin.com → https://news.bitcoin.com/bitcoin-classic-developers-receiving-threats-rbitcoin-mods/

17:30:12 assbot: Are Bitcoin Classic Developers Receiving Threats from /r/Bitcoin Mods? - Bitcoin News ... ( http://bit.ly/1MpZ438 )

17:37:06 BingoBoingo: What did you threaten to take Marshmallow Long's donuts?

17:37:59 PaulCapestany: hahah

17:39:41 shinohai: isn't news.bitcoin.com a VERified site?

17:40:26 BingoBoingo: You mean Ether huffing VERified site http://qntra.net/2016/03/roger-verified-outlet-gets-into-ether-huffing/

17:40:27 assbot: Roger VERified Outlet Gets Into Ether Huffing | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1RrI1Nn )

17:41:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27000 @ 0.00049785 = 13.442 BTC [+]

17:42:07 shinohai: I ask myself every day why fate has not allowed us the pleasure of fireworks blowing Roger Ver's balls off.

17:44:35 BingoBoingo: The USG saved him from that fate

17:47:26 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-03-2016#1440256 << i also have one, they cost pennies in surplus shops. but i use it for its original purpose; it makes a poor linux box, no usable i/o.

17:47:26 assbot: Logged on 25-03-2016 17:13:47; BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Just don't have anything that runs 'top' on it yet to my knowledge

17:47:59 BingoBoingo: It's got the jack on it for i/o

17:48:02 asciilifeform: it has the external jack, you can get 300 baud iirc.

17:48:27 asciilifeform: but no way to attach mass storage etc

17:50:05 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-03-2016#1440262 << aha l0l he silently -'d me also, without even a creative annotation

17:50:05 assbot: Logged on 25-03-2016 17:19:29; shinohai: !rate nubbins` -10 I'll wear this as a badge of honour from a person too cowardly to negrate me in logs.

17:51:16 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-03-2016#1440270 << i find myself less and less interested in what happens in the heathen worlds.

17:51:16 assbot: Logged on 25-03-2016 17:30:10; PaulCapestany: the "reporter" got stuff wrong, but I thought it was cute that it got posted on news.bitcoin.com → https://news.bitcoin.com/bitcoin-classic-developers-receiving-threats-rbitcoin-mods/

17:52:03 asciilifeform: i care about wars between reddits about as much as i care about the competing anthills in the forest.

17:53:52 PaulCapestany: asciilifeform reddit wars are dumb, agreed, but I got concerned when people like Rick Falkvinge were starting to post on r/bitcoin about how Bitcoin Classic was a good idea.. the misinformation and propaganda that had been going on seemed to have worked on some people

17:54:27 asciilifeform: !s falkvinge

17:54:27 assbot: 11 results for 'falkvinge' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=falkvinge

17:55:21 danielpbarron: pirate party guy?

17:55:28 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=18-01-2016#1375419 << known lolcow

17:55:28 assbot: Logged on 18-01-2016 18:06:37; punkman: lol Falkvinge, "If there's no profit to be made in using bitcoin as a drop-in replacement for credit card payments, bitcoin will not be deployed at scale. Deployment and outcompeting legacy systems depend entirely on merchant financial gains from rollout."

17:55:40 PaulCapestany: danielpbarron yeah

17:56:19 PaulCapestany: danielpbarron falkvinge has lotsa followers, and is supposed to be pro decentralization...

17:57:28 danielpbarron: there's relevant Eulora spash text : the worst thing you can wish on your enemy is that he gets lots of followers (or something like that, I'm paraphrasing)

18:05:46 PaulCapestany: people in here are generally anti-Classic I presume? would my supposed threat against Classic earn me any street cred (or WoT cred) here?

18:25:05 BingoBoingo: <PaulCapestany> people in here are generally anti-Classic I presume? would my supposed threat against Classic earn me any street cred (or WoT cred) here? << anti-Classic, anti-"Core" etc

18:26:45 PaulCapestany: BingoBoingo ah, yeah, ya'll have your own sorta stripped-down fork, correct? if I wanted to read up on the reasoning behind that, what'd be a good link?

18:26:57 BingoBoingo: thebitcoin.foundation

18:27:08 PaulCapestany: thx

18:27:43 BingoBoingo: And it isn't so much a fork as... "historical artifact conveying truth" (TM)(R)

18:27:50 PaulCapestany: heh

18:31:09 mircea_popescu: PaulCapestany your what ?

18:31:34 PaulCapestany: mircea_popescu ?

18:31:39 mircea_popescu: and in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/dbd560e399f2fcac62c14ed4d672bc22/tumblr_nbnan2prwQ1tj17cio1_1280.jpg

18:31:43 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1q6ddJ2 )

18:31:53 mircea_popescu: PaulCapestany " would my supposed threat against Classic earn me any street cred (or WoT cred) here?" << link, something ?

18:32:11 PaulCapestany: mircea_popescu https://news.bitcoin.com/bitcoin-classic-developers-receiving-threats-rbitcoin-mods/

18:32:14 assbot: Are Bitcoin Classic Developers Receiving Threats from /r/Bitcoin Mods? - Bitcoin News ... ( http://bit.ly/1MpZ438 )

18:32:39 mircea_popescu: lmao. so reddit is copying me on the quiet, forgets to link anything and is all "hey, we're cool" ?

18:33:33 PaulCapestany: copying you?

18:33:51 PaulCapestany: (p.s. I'm not a r/Bitcoin mod)

18:35:34 mircea_popescu: what's the relation then ?

18:36:54 mircea_popescu: all i see in that title is http://fraudsters.com/2015/theres-a-one-bitcoin-reward-for-the-death-of-pieter-wuille-details-below/ re-done by lesser people who aim to avoid confronting their ulterior inferiority through lalala.

18:36:55 assbot: There's a one Bitcoin reward for the death of Pieter Wuille. Details below. on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1lxiG9S )

18:37:03 PaulCapestany: that was just shitty "reporting" in the case of the article... I'm not a r/bitcoin mod, but I guess my 'claim to fame' was that I was co-organizer of a big bitcoin developer meetup in SF

18:37:08 mircea_popescu: and yes i imagine there's some cred to be had for doing that, but only in america.

18:37:16 PaulCapestany: ha

18:37:30 mircea_popescu: well, if anyone here went to the thing that you organized and liked it, they might rate you, sure.

18:39:13 mircea_popescu: otherwise, the bar for "conference organizer" as an identity pillar includes tits & gtfo and so on. it's a job dita von teese gets cred for, typically.

18:39:53 PaulCapestany: fair enough ;)

18:48:01 mircea_popescu: anyway. lulz at the entire "we'll talk about things in the vague and be all pretentious and shit" junior high ugly girl club thing. i'm so impressed i almost think the whole prb/mit/blabla crowd of shitheads is worth pissing on.

18:49:13 mircea_popescu: and with that, off to have drinks

18:49:43 *: shinohai cheers mircea_popescu

19:01:49 ben_vulpes: does anyone remember a story about a last-minute us presidential candidacy that was run on highly personally target emails?

20:03:48 pete_dushenski: ;;nethash

20:03:48 gribble: 1212308843.07

20:20:01 pete_dushenski: jurov: http://www.contravex.com/2016/03/24/psa-dont-pay-the-bitcoin-ransom/#comment-42189

20:20:03 assbot: PSA: Don’t pay the bitcoin ransom. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1UhWcs2 )

20:27:50 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2016#1439781 << hm ?

20:27:50 assbot: Logged on 24-03-2016 00:28:16; ben_vulpes: !v assbot:ben_vulpes.rate.pete_dushenski.1:32d4e07d5e4f0c2c482c2232734c5fefb5d97343fb690b93c90e378d62869594

20:29:08 pete_dushenski: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Weeaboo << til

20:29:09 assbot: Urban Dictionary: Weeaboo ... ( http://bit.ly/1UhXrHC )

20:30:07 jurov: pete_dushenski: i did sell some btc to be paid to cryptolocker and there was an admin

20:31:03 jurov: but he complained he proposed to install seafile server (which I shown him to exist) that would work nicely with their windows boxes

20:31:18 jurov: but they did not want to pay for the work

20:31:26 pete_dushenski: nuts eh

20:32:08 pete_dushenski: i've also sold btc to 'it professional' who had client with cryptolocker. this was ~2 years ago though and i haven't heard any reports of a second or third hit.

20:32:45 pete_dushenski: though i have a tough time imagining that anything in terms of digital security has changed with either that client or his 'professional' since.

20:33:12 pete_dushenski: why no more hits ? goodness only knows.

20:33:33 pete_dushenski: 'who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men' (tm) (r)

20:33:42 jurov: there are enough targets

20:33:56 pete_dushenski: but other targets might not pay is the thing

20:34:14 pete_dushenski: once one target has coughed up danegeld, surely they'll continue

20:35:01 jurov: also, it's not "windows" thing. plenty of linux servers were backdoored, but there it's more profitable/convenient to resell the server resources that to extort the admin

20:36:06 jurov: *than to

20:36:58 pete_dushenski: wait, so hackers backdoor linux server and resell hosting on it, unbeknownst to the 'owner' of the box ?

20:37:28 jurov: yes, usually they "host" malware there

20:37:48 jurov: but server with good pipe has million uses

20:38:10 pete_dushenski: aha. anyways, for casinos specifically, it ~is~ a windows thing. at least for the operations around here.

20:38:45 pete_dushenski: their portable machines run windows ce even

20:41:44 jurov: you see - they are used to pay for licenses. whether to m$ or to extortionist, makes a little difference

20:44:52 jurov: hm, that makes me wonder how many businesses are paying for such "protection" every month already

20:47:50 pete_dushenski: in most of the world, most. whether it's greasing the local mob or the local bureaucrat makes little practical difference. it's the way of the world.

20:48:10 pete_dushenski: this 'protection'/extortion business model could be just the gravity well extractor that guys like asciilifeform need. it can even be done from laptop on beach!

20:48:29 jurov: but if your mobster has access to *all* your data and communication... that's another level

20:49:33 jurov: asciilifeform explicitly rejects anything he'd have to pay taxes from, that's lost cause

20:50:31 jurov: his professed utter inability to function as mobster aside

20:51:29 pete_dushenski: it's a craft, like any other.

20:54:37 pete_dushenski: speaking of walls, http://www.theguardian.com/cities/2016/mar/18/story-of-cities-5-benin-city-edo-nigeria-mighty-medieval-capital-lost-without-trace

20:54:39 assbot: Story of cities #5: Benin City, the mighty medieval capital now lost without trace | Cities | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ui1xQ3 )

20:54:51 pete_dushenski: "Situated on a plain, Benin City was enclosed by massive walls in the south and deep ditches in the north. Beyond the city walls, numerous further walls were erected that separated the surroundings of the capital into around 500 distinct villages.

20:54:51 pete_dushenski: Pearce writes that these walls “extended for some 16,000 km in all, in a mosaic of more than 500 interconnected settlement boundaries. They covered 6,500 sq km and were all dug by the Edo people … They took an estimated 150 million hours of digging to construct, and are perhaps the largest single archaeological phenomenon on the planet”."

21:01:37 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Check your pending comments

21:02:22 pete_dushenski: it's live ?

21:03:15 BingoBoingo: Oh, ty

21:03:27 BingoBoingo: must have loaded before poasted

21:04:12 pete_dushenski: heh what's the backstory behind 'lunix' ?

21:07:35 BingoBoingo: Oh, it's just what Ubuntu is, see https://i.sli.mg/uga6Y7.png calves could not pass A4 challenge because drepper

21:07:38 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1RqMj5l )

21:13:17 pete_dushenski: 'lunix' also has etymology of 'luna', which maps well to those same fat-ass proportions

21:16:22 phf: pete_dushenski: lunix is of course jeff k tradition, and there's not much to it, besides arbitrary switching letters, but it helps that the result sounds durp

21:17:07 phf: i.e. I RUN LUNIX IS 1337 H4X0R I H4CK UUUU~~11

21:18:21 phf: i dunno if there's acceptable usage at this point, since the jeff k culture is long dead, in waves and waves and waves of eternal september

21:19:54 phf: (jeff k is of course a something awful spoof of a teenage script kiddie culture of late 90s, that in turn spun off 4chan culture. old fags remember, that early /b/ was essentially a bunch of snarky mofos pretending to be jeff k style idiots, which in turn eternally september into actual idiots acting like idiots, etc)

21:20:33 BingoBoingo: dayum, phf dropping the history bomb

21:40:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20550 @ 0.00049784 = 10.2306 BTC [-] {2}

21:40:37 pete_dushenski: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/britains-flat-idea-to-tax-soda-and-other-sugary-drinks/2016/03/21/186e3ad0-efa1-11e5-89c3-a647fcce95e0_story.html << fattaxtalk for BingoBoingo

21:40:38 assbot: Britain’s flat idea to tax soda and other sugary drinks - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1URkg3v )

21:40:58 BingoBoingo: Obesity doesn

21:41:04 BingoBoingo: 't justify taxation

21:41:20 BingoBoingo: It however jusitfies estherification and Biodiesel

21:43:42 BingoBoingo: !up cazalla_

21:43:56 cazalla_: ty BingoBoingo (cbf getting out the laptop right now)

21:44:23 cazalla_: as for soda (fizzy drink tax), nfi about the UK, but that consumption of that has been on the decline here for years

21:44:46 cazalla_: i imagine obesity is more the result of icecream for breakfast than occasional coke

21:46:38 jurov: i knew people who drank liter or two of coke daily

21:47:04 BingoBoingo: The idiocracy guy was wrong here in the states. In future 'Murica carbonation will be "what plants crave"

21:47:41 pete_dushenski: cazalla_: better ice cream for breakfast than at midnight

21:48:22 cazalla_: jurov sure, but how common is that today? for example, coca cola amatil (aussie coke listed company) expanded into indonesia and it has been a disaster, no-one wants their shit

21:49:28 jurov: dunno about indonesia, in eastern europe very common. even my dad can't be convinced not to buy it

21:50:34 pete_dushenski: bucharesti kid i know, bout my age, drinks 2l of coke per day. smokes pretty heavily too.

21:50:57 pete_dushenski: this is only seen in lower class canadians but is apparently perfectly reasonable in middle class romanians

21:51:19 jurov: cazalla_ is prolly surrounded by health-minded canucks.. but the cocacola revenue must have come from somewhere

21:51:32 BingoBoingo: jurov: Here I don't know that fountain sodas under a liter are sold anywhere

21:51:39 cazalla_: don't see how teh tax will change anything anyway, consumers will just pay it as no other option (sif they're gonna drink water)

21:52:27 jurov: they will switch to *blergh* sweeteners

21:53:21 cazalla_: i bought a stevia plant last year, not bad to nom nom on a few leaves when wanting something sugary

21:54:57 jurov: yes i like stevia too.. but for someone who is used to high sugar concentrations, stevia has unsavory taste

21:55:24 jurov: - good only if you want to sweeten a bit

22:15:04 BingoBoingo: !up cazalla_

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