Transcript for 25-07-2013, 654 lines:
01:04:24 thestringpuller: !ticker btctc BITVPS
01:40:58 dub: ;;nethash
01:41:04 dub: ;;bcstats
01:44:44 TradeFartress: http://www.reddit.com/r/CoinChat/comments/1izeya/my_name_is_tradefartress_and_i_run_coinchat_ama/ Twitter: @TradeFartress
01:44:46 ozbot: My name is TradeFartress, and I run CoinChat. AMA : CoinChat
01:47:14 dub: q. who cares?
01:47:56 ozbot: BitBet - James Gibson aka gigavps to be named as Pirate ponzi scheme fraudulent beneficiary
01:47:59 mircea_popescu: apparently nobody wants any action huh
01:48:39 TradeFartress: mircea_popescu: I want some action, whatcha got?
01:48:46 mircea_popescu: see link.
01:49:42 mircea_popescu: also, your reddit ama did a lot worse than my sa ama.
01:49:48 TradeFartress: Yeah! That's a good one.
01:50:20 TradeFartress: I know. :( Apparently no one likes the TradeFartress
01:50:24 mircea_popescu: a well.
01:50:28 dub: because its not obvious why someone would bother trolling tradefortress, note this is not him
01:50:44 mircea_popescu: dub how do you know ?
01:50:49 mircea_popescu: i was kinda leaning that way.
01:51:00 dub: I'm psychic
01:51:06 TradeFartress: I am the real one
01:51:38 mircea_popescu: TradeFartress so are you one of the butthuert ripple investors ? or /
01:52:04 TradeFartress: Ripple Investors? I scammed all them bitches out of Ripples
01:53:00 mircea_popescu: ic
01:54:03 dub: re: giga I liked the theory that any potential conspirators would be turned into witnesses
01:54:19 dub: tis 'murica and all
01:54:27 TradeFartress: FUCK YEA!
01:54:28 byMideowas: mp, your bet is tl;tr
01:54:45 dub: I've seen enough CSI to know they'll prolly 'turn states'
01:54:52 Duffer: there's always tradefortress drama in the scam accusations forum, usually good for a laugh
01:55:38 byMideowas: let me rephrase
01:55:40 byMideowas: who is gigavps?
01:55:56 dub: lurk moar
01:56:08 TradeFartress: @Duffer that TradeFortress guy is impersonating me ... No one can scam like me
01:59:29 TradeFartress: TradeFortress told me to offer start offering a 7%/week investment scheme during a busy #bitcoin-otc with no ops ... pffft. I can do better
02:00:50 dub: theres no self respect left in the trolling game
02:06:03 mircea_popescu: byMideowas yeah. and p[eople still comment that it's "unclear"
02:06:21 mircea_popescu: for every person with a bitcoin there's about 50 with an idea at at least 5000 that know better.
02:07:47 mircea_popescu: dub witness as to what exactly.
02:08:25 dub: how trendon likes his steak
02:09:33 byMideowas: so what's your take? sounds like your thinking the btc community/share community will get screwed over this sec incident..
02:10:43 mircea_popescu: it does ?!
02:12:23 byMideowas: it does sound like this or the community gets screwed?
02:12:37 byMideowas: let's put on a tinfoilhat
02:12:41 byMideowas: theymos is an informant
02:12:53 byMideowas: share issuers get crazy over this
02:12:59 byMideowas: share prices crash
02:13:18 byMideowas: is this, what you think?
02:14:35 byMideowas: i'm sure it's not. but i honor your opinion and that's why i'd like to hear more :)
02:16:08 mjoiii: Isn't it the same old 'weak hands' bit?
02:17:22 mircea_popescu: byMideowas were you talking to me ? i totally imagined half the convo is on my ignore list.
02:19:28 byMideowas: well yea, but anyone should feel free to participate
02:20:12 byMideowas: mjoiii: i think so, too. "strong hands" will profit.
02:21:31 mjoiii: Meaning it seems odd that anyone could be shocked that we'd run into the sec at some point.
02:22:22 byMideowas: true
02:22:39 Duffer: i don't think it will come to anything really though
02:22:45 Duffer: at least not for a while
02:23:10 mjoiii: I took it as a positive. Sec looking out for BTC investors.
02:23:23 Duffer: offers will still be made but posted as pass-throughs on various exchanges that will do business with US investors
02:23:25 mjoiii: Almost an endorsement.
02:23:42 Duffer: you're right i agree
02:25:25 mjoiii: Anyway was the first potential scare, and interesting to see how various community members took it.
02:25:59 mjoiii: Some terrified, some planning workarounds, it's healthy overall to shake things up a bit.
02:26:10 dub: its te first scare if you don't count the other ones
02:26:33 Duffer: lol
02:27:06 dub: newbs get spooked, its the nature of newness
02:27:41 mjoiii: Well, yeah, but attention on unlicensed securities seems like it could really count.
02:27:59 dub: its not the first of that
02:28:08 mjoiii: Amazing we came this far without that ever being tested.
02:28:15 dub: it hasnt
02:28:17 mjoiii: Oh?
02:28:28 Duffer: glbse
02:28:45 mjoiii: Had attention from regulators?
02:28:52 Duffer: oh
02:29:08 dub: supposedly
02:30:57 mircea_popescu: <mjoiii> Anyway was the first potential scare << no, it wasn't.
02:31:17 mircea_popescu: look up the forum for "bitcoin doesn't care about the sec" signatures from back last oct.
02:32:56 ozbot: Let's have a little fun then, shall we.
02:34:01 mjoiii: Ha! Nice
03:07:13 mjoiii: Thanks for the link MP, good reminder. This is what disruption is all about after all.
03:13:23 Duffer: wow basic-mining half off
03:13:25 Duffer: today only
03:15:11 byMideowas: lowest low 0.13
03:15:17 byMideowas: it's crazy almost
03:15:44 Duffer: ya saw earlier today as it happened /wish i had free capital
03:16:02 Namworld: Might be an option, with unknown premium
03:16:14 Namworld: Might have been less or have been purchased a long while ago
03:16:27 Namworld: I mean more
03:16:30 Namworld: With premium
03:16:35 byMideowas: nope, no options
03:16:45 byMideowas: it would be visible in the trade history
03:17:04 tiberiusix: hi namworld
03:17:33 Namworld: Hey there
04:04:44 elchespirito: Hello guys, what's the latest news on btct?
04:04:51 elchespirito: I heard there's some weird stuff going on
04:07:11 ThickAsThieves: news is the owner got loose with his words and spooked some people, then realized he should take a break and calm down
04:07:16 ThickAsThieves: if that's news
04:07:32 ThickAsThieves: unclear whether anything is actually changing
04:09:59 elchespirito: ok, where was that?
04:10:03 elchespirito: @bitcointalk?
04:16:03 tiberiusix: Tat: are you still scamming people with your "pass thru"
04:16:21 tiberiusix: you let everyone know you dont actually have any mpex account and are just buying shares off of jurov's site
04:16:24 tiberiusix: and flipping them
04:16:43 elchespirito: wow
04:16:45 elchespirito: that's serious shit
04:16:57 tiberiusix: what is?
04:18:56 elchespirito: what you are saying
04:19:00 elchespirito: about TAT scamming people
04:19:41 tiberiusix: he doesnt have an mpex account
04:19:48 tiberiusix: hes just buying shares off of jurov's brokerage
04:19:54 tiberiusix: and adding a premium to flip them
04:20:16 tiberiusix: and claiming that its a pass thru
04:20:16 ThickAsThieves: elchespirito, it sounds like you haven't ignored someone you should have
04:20:19 ThickAsThieves: lemme guess, tiberiusix?
04:20:21 dub: its not really a scam its just failing to disclose the extra exposure
04:20:36 tiberiusix: sure because everyone can go on coinbr and do what hes doing
04:20:43 tiberiusix: the fucking loser is trying to make a few pennies for himself
04:21:53 ThickAsThieves: btw TAT Investments now runs a "real" MPEX account
04:22:14 ThickAsThieves: all CoinBr holdings of underlying assets will be transferred to it
04:22:27 ThickAsThieves: and CoinBr will no longer be used for underlying assets
04:22:54 ThickAsThieves: this is not necessarily saying people shouldn't use CoinBr
04:23:17 elchespirito: ok then I'll ignore tiberiusix
04:23:19 elchespirito: then
04:23:23 elchespirito: thanks man
04:23:26 ThickAsThieves: Jurov has been great, it's just an extra layer that makes doing business better for us
04:23:50 ThickAsThieves: I will likely continue to keep a CoinBr account for personal long-term holdings
04:26:51 dub: you know, putting some disclosure on your PTs about your arbitraging activities is probably a good idea
04:29:16 dub: pretty sure some would see it as fraud
04:37:15 ThickAsThieves: dub I am trying to pm you to get some clarity, I know I've had issues getting pms thru to you in the past
05:00:01 TradeFartress: Good morning superroot! How's trading?
05:00:32 superroot: TradeFartress: Good :D
05:01:54 TradeFartress: superroot: I am selling my code so people can make shitty chats like mine. Did you see it?
05:02:54 superroot: TradeFartress, Link?
05:17:24 BTCOxygen: TradeFartress = Not real TradeFortress.
05:17:51 TradeFartress: There is only one TRADEFARTRESS
05:18:18 BTCOxygen: TradeFartress: Who are you?
05:18:54 TradeFartress: BTCOxygen: I am TradeFartress who else?
06:23:37 ThickAsThieves: how not to IPO: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=261983.msg2799608#msg2799608
06:32:47 mircea_popescu: heh
06:32:49 mircea_popescu: i guess so
06:33:27 mircea_popescu: "We just don't feel right now it is the right moment to make the IPO as within 2 to 3 weeks we can IPO against a way better share price than we can now, and we have a responsability to our investors to find the best price possible. "
06:33:27 mircea_popescu: herp
06:33:42 mircea_popescu: two lines up he's talking about how x should have chosen words more carefully.
06:34:30 mircea_popescu: Our company valuation is based on 3 factors:
06:34:31 mircea_popescu: 3. The future potential of an IPO on bitfunder
06:34:35 mircea_popescu: yeah. really a good example.
06:34:57 ThickAsThieves: so many choice lines
06:35:13 ThickAsThieves: "When looking at the future potential of an IPO on bitfunder, which for now is the earliest exit point for our investors,"
06:35:48 ThickAsThieves: well, that whole section is awesome really
06:36:02 ThickAsThieves: "When looking at the future potential of an IPO on bitfunder, which for now is the earliest exit point for our investors, we can only make a decent analysis by looking at previous IPO's and company valuations. Considering the sale of SatoshiDice, Satoshi Poker will probably be the only pseudo-gaming asset on bitfunder (we are not gaming by Dutch law), amongst some mining farms and a
06:36:02 ThickAsThieves: webshop. Considering the fact that Satoshi Dice had an IPO of over 35K BTC in 3 days, selling only 10% of their company; considering that BitPride, a webshop, sold less than 5% of their shares for over 400BTC, considering a financial service called Ziggap did the same for 500 BTC, I think it is rediculous to value a profitable organisation with the growth and potential which we show
06:36:03 ThickAsThieves: lower than, with all due respect, a financial service which cooked the books and a t-shirt website which sells some bitcoins on the side."
06:36:37 ThickAsThieves: with all due respect, no offense
06:37:02 mircea_popescu: herpderp.
06:37:29 mircea_popescu: because s.dice ipo'd on havelock etc.
06:38:05 ThickAsThieves: and then this lavalips post just above
06:38:13 ThickAsThieves: appears to be a socking error
06:38:20 ThickAsThieves: or soemthing
06:38:49 mircea_popescu: lolwut
06:39:27 ThickAsThieves: OP says: "It means that the original poster did not discuss with Ukyo prior to posting, which should have been done."
06:40:07 ThickAsThieves: maybe someone in the co has gone rogue?
06:41:52 mircea_popescu: who knoes.
06:42:37 ThickAsThieves: another good one
06:42:45 ozbot: [Smidge.Com] - A virtual, actively managed, multi-asset digital currency fund
06:42:50 ThickAsThieves: "I'm not sure about putting serious money in the hands of someone with only 3 months experience"
06:42:59 ThickAsThieves: says the guy with 3mos experience
06:43:14 ThickAsThieves: sigh
06:44:27 VanCleef: lol
06:44:39 VanCleef: we were having a good laugh about that few hours ago
06:46:57 VanCleef: lolz at this thread is going places
07:09:01 mircea_popescu: lol
07:09:07 ozbot: [WTS] Extremely Secure GPG keys
07:09:28 ThickAsThieves: bets usagi post ever?
07:09:31 ThickAsThieves: best*
07:11:20 mircea_popescu: quite possibly.
07:12:17 usagi: I'd say no, I can think of several posts which were much better than that one
07:12:39 ThickAsThieves: i'm skeptical
07:15:22 usagi: Hmm, well let's see
07:16:17 ThickAsThieves: gtg
07:18:53 usagi: Well this one is pretty good: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.religion.wicca/19EB4BEa5CU
07:19:16 usagi: I guess you're right, the gpg one is pretty classic, but there's a lot to choose from, you just aren't aware of my repitoire.
07:19:53 usagi: Hey. It's a hobby. Everyone has a good laugh in the end right?
07:23:45 usagi: This is pretty classic too, and recieved alot of praise:
07:23:48 ozbot: Google Groups
08:44:03 VanCleef: um yes, that makes sense
10:05:25 gecko_x2: woosh
10:05:27 gecko_x2: lol
10:05:35 gecko_x2: someone just bought some AM :)
14:09:10 mircea_popescu: kinda lulzy.
14:09:18 ozbot: Atlas ATS Exchange: free membership campaign
14:10:07 mircea_popescu: dub https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=261465.msg2801392#msg2801392
14:14:10 taub: thanks mp
14:14:14 taub: mtgox fees are insane
14:14:30 taub: might actually back it because why the fuck not
14:14:31 Rulother_: Glad I dont bother with them
14:14:54 mircea_popescu: taub do yourself a favour trade otc.
14:14:59 mircea_popescu: there's so many options now.
14:16:19 kakobrekla: speaking of exchanges
14:16:28 kakobrekla: kids with css skills surpased gox or some shit
14:16:55 ozbot: Bitstamp bitcoin trading volume overtakes Mt. Gox for first time
14:16:55 mircea_popescu: not so hard to do.
14:17:01 dub: lol
14:17:07 taub: doesnt work for short term speculation
14:17:11 taub: which is what i do
14:17:44 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/360403452913926147
14:17:55 taub: Bitstamp bitcoin trading volume overtakes Mt. Gox for first time
14:17:57 taub: nice!
14:17:59 mircea_popescu: nothing is quite as exquisitely enjoyable as humiliating those who thought themselves colossal
14:18:04 kakobrekla: taub how is this nice
14:18:15 taub: might lead mtgox to step up their game
14:18:34 kakobrekla: taub this is a comedy not drama
14:19:12 taub: what you mean
14:19:29 kakobrekla: if it was drama they would step up
14:19:37 taub: oh
14:20:19 kakobrekla: anyway, people are so desperate they will use that piece of shit that bitstamp is
14:20:22 kakobrekla: is all
14:20:32 taub: i bought all my initial bitcoins there
14:20:34 taub: it's alright
14:21:15 kakobrekla: its not alright.
14:21:31 kakobrekla: its allwrong.
14:22:40 taub: whats wrong with it?
14:22:45 taub: I don't use it so I couldnt tell
14:22:58 taub: i think its average for a bitcoin exchange
14:23:13 Rulother_: Coinbase for me has always been excellent
14:23:24 kakobrekla: well to be honest, im good at breaking things.
14:23:44 kakobrekla: and their exhcange is broken in lot of ways
14:23:56 kakobrekla: beside that, they dont have any biu ethics
14:24:09 kakobrekla: biz ethnics
14:24:36 taub: Open an Account
14:24:36 taub: Personal Information
14:24:36 taub: Name
14:24:36 taub: Date/Place of Birth in ,
14:24:37 taub: Social Security #
14:24:40 taub: yea
14:24:42 taub: no
14:25:13 taub: Atlas signup
14:36:02 thestringpuller: ;;seen mod6
14:40:48 thestringpuller: ;;ticker
14:41:36 ozbot: House narrowly defeats NSA amendment, allowing agency to keep spying on Americans | The Verge
15:09:27 ozbot: 10,000 Bitcoin Mining ASIC Chips Arrive in Switzerland - 3 TH/s - The Genesis Block
15:11:07 ThickAsThieves: "The order was originally placed on April 16th, arriving 99 days later"
15:11:27 ThickAsThieves: "A safe estimate places total per-chip cost at 0.1 BTC." (290MHs ea)
15:11:47 Rulother_: It's not a bad deal
15:11:59 Rulother_: I just sent my 5th email to BFL about my cancellation
15:12:10 Rulother_: So this is going to be a fun process
15:13:47 ThickAsThieves: call them
15:14:53 Rulother_: I just might
15:15:03 Rulother_: I'll give them until tomorrow
15:15:40 ThickAsThieves: just call, trust me
15:19:11 Rulother_: I would today, but going to be a busy day at work for me. Fridays are usually just less chaotic.
15:44:33 Rulother_: money
16:08:13 thestringpuller: ;;ticker
16:10:16 pizzaman1337: bitcoinworld seems to be slow recently, I miss the days when there was more action...
16:11:02 thestringpuller: you mean more scams?
16:11:20 carrying: smaller trading range and lower volume happens usually in times, when there is undecidedness, followed by explosive movement
16:11:52 carrying: and take a look at the share-markets.. there is huge action since yesterday
16:13:19 pizzaman1337: perhaps
16:13:34 thestringpuller: most money may be invested in the existing crytpo-companies
16:13:58 thestringpuller: There's more volume in assets than in BTC exchanges.
16:14:24 pizzaman1337: is there any measure of "total assets volume"?
16:14:37 thestringpuller: you'd have to grep assbot
16:14:53 carrying: or sum the volume listed on the websites
16:16:25 carrying: bitfunder roughly 750, btct 8750, havelock 815 over the last 24 hours
16:16:40 thestringpuller: what about mpex?
16:17:38 carrying: you're right. sorry.. 742 btc
16:18:49 carrying: but especially those 9k on btct are due to the sec stuff
16:19:03 pizzaman1337: mpex feels "small" now, with no S.DICE and almost no option volume
16:20:02 thestringpuller: !ticker m ^OIX
16:20:16 thestringpuller: wow
16:20:16 thestringpuller: there is literally no option volume
16:20:19 carrying: i would be interested in total share market cap, but it would be tricky to get exact numbers, because asset A could be invested in asset B etc.
16:31:35 ozbot: comparing bitcoin stock exchanges: mpex / btct / cryptostocks / bitfunder
16:31:52 ThickAsThieves: an in-depth and accurate analysis
16:32:01 thestringpuller: ah ThickAsThieves returns
16:32:07 thestringpuller: like a Thief in the night.
16:32:50 ThickAsThieves: I always leave more than once
16:32:50 Scrat: he stole my bike
16:33:30 thestringpuller: why you stealin' bies ThickAsThieves
16:33:32 thestringpuller: bikes*
16:33:49 ThickAsThieves: no need for a bike here
16:33:50 ThickAsThieves: too hot
16:38:23 hollywoodundead: hmm, I did not know cryptotocks was still around. I am not one for pointing out spelling mistakes - the main banned says "do not invest more than you can loose" < not reassuring
16:38:51 Rulother_: I do like their site though
16:38:56 Rulother_: It's pretty
16:38:58 ThickAsThieves: that and all the "hacks"
16:40:31 ThickAsThieves: MPEX
16:40:31 ThickAsThieves: website: primitive
16:40:31 ThickAsThieves: 30 day volume: 22,000 btc
16:40:31 ThickAsThieves: listing fee: 30 btc!!!
16:40:31 ThickAsThieves: other comments: They operator seems insufferably rude. You can see it in his FAQ. These guys are best known for handling the recent SatoshiDice deal. Between the high fee and rude operator, it's not clear to me why people use this service.
16:40:33 Scrat: hehe, "loose"
16:41:03 ThickAsThieves: the world revolves around a turdburger apparently
16:41:22 ThickAsThieves: BitFunder
16:41:22 ThickAsThieves: website: nice!
16:41:22 ThickAsThieves: 30 day volume: not sure, but I think it's very high
16:41:22 ThickAsThieves: listing fee: 5btc
16:41:22 ThickAsThieves: other comments: another great-looking site. Everything seems professional
16:41:54 ThickAsThieves: CSS 1, HTML Tables 0
16:42:36 Rulother_: I wish btct had the charts like bitfunder
16:43:02 hollywoodundead: I got bored looking at cryptostocks site already. nothing interesting at all
16:43:26 kakobrekla: its not exchanges biz to keep 'nice' charts
16:43:42 ThickAsThieves: also tell me what you really use the charts for
16:43:48 ThickAsThieves: really
16:43:56 thestringpuller: lol
16:43:58 Rulother_: History of the stock itself
16:44:05 Rulother_: "asset"
16:44:07 thestringpuller: its the exchanges job to execute trades efficiently
16:44:10 thestringpuller: it's*
16:44:12 ThickAsThieves: www.coinflow.co
16:44:16 ThickAsThieves: all the charts you need
16:44:19 Rulother_: yes I can use that too
16:44:32 Rulother_: But it would be nice, to have that one the site too.
16:45:19 ThickAsThieves: i can't think of one time a chart has been useful to me on any of these exchanges
16:45:27 hollywoodundead: lol, no
16:45:40 hollywoodundead: though coinflow is very nice- who make that?
16:45:45 ThickAsThieves: parseval
16:46:02 ThickAsThieves: he has plans to keep growing it too
16:49:30 hollywoodundead: coinflow is very nice, the more I look at it
16:49:39 hollywoodundead: he did a great job
16:50:19 carrying: do you think people would pay for data connectors to metatrader or other charting softwares?
16:50:59 carrying: or would something like that end up in "scam, virus, make it open source"?
16:51:33 Rulother_: Not sure
16:51:40 hollywoodundead: sierra already does that, at least it used to
16:52:31 carrying: true, but only for btc/usd, if i recall correctly
16:53:27 thestringpuller: hollywoodundead ain't in no middle school
16:53:32 Rulother_: lol
16:54:09 thestringpuller: he making sierra chart references
16:54:13 thestringpuller: dis nigga 15 at least
16:55:38 Rulother_: whores
16:58:49 imsaguy: where's MP?
16:59:23 ThickAsThieves: sleeping?
16:59:27 ThickAsThieves: sexing?]
16:59:32 ThickAsThieves: hustling?
16:59:35 ThickAsThieves: you choose
17:00:42 VanCleef: making a rap album?
17:00:54 Rulother_: with B I G
17:01:15 Rulother_: talking about mo money mo problems
17:01:35 VanCleef: mo bitcoin mo scammers
17:01:40 ozbot: Thad Castle - Cocaine - YouTube
17:01:46 Rulother_: lol
17:01:51 VanCleef: thaaad
17:01:54 VanCleef: bms?
17:02:07 hollywoodundead: goats baby
17:17:49 imsaguy: So everyone's seen all the court docs?
17:17:55 imsaguy: is that why MP put up that bet?
17:18:42 mjoiii: Put up a bet where?
17:20:13 ozbot: BitBet - James Gibson aka gigavps to be named as Pirate ponzi scheme fraudulent beneficiary
18:08:51 usagi: pain sucks
18:11:11 Rulother_: usually
18:26:44 Duffer1: zzzz
18:26:56 ThickAsThieves: http://bitcoinmagazine.com/erik-voorhees-new-frontier/
18:27:07 ozbot: Erik Voorhees "Bitcoin is the new frontier"Bitcoin Magazine
18:30:26 Duffer1: harsh words for 'murica
18:35:30 TomServo: Odd there was no mention of the SD sale.
18:36:00 Duffer1: probably assumed anyone reading the article would know about the sale, they probably did ask him but edited the article for brevity
18:36:30 ThickAsThieves: or the interview was before
18:40:54 Duffer1: could be right TAT he mentions bitinstant as a fast way to get usd into btc
18:44:22 Rulother_: o great
19:19:07 thestringpuller: !ticker btctc bitvps
19:46:15 ozbot: Paul Kemp-Robertson: Bitcoin. Sweat. Tide. Meet the future of branded currency. | Video on TED.com
20:01:13 dub: I love my job
20:01:35 dub: 20 minutes sleep in the last 26 hours
20:01:50 jcpham: nice
20:02:23 thestringpuller: dub what do you do?
20:02:24 dexX7: x_x what's your job, if i may ask?
20:02:33 dub: I internet
20:12:43 dub: finished tying the tubes back together, time to iron a shirt and drive to the office for a meeting
20:39:23 usagi: does anyone know how many shares of asicminer are outstanding?
20:39:35 tiberiusii: go away usagi
20:40:12 ThickAsThieves: roughly 165k are public
20:40:25 ThickAsThieves: 200k were retained be bitfountain
20:40:32 usagi: IIRC they have 400k shares?
20:40:38 dexX7: yup
20:40:38 usagi: Mmm
20:40:42 ThickAsThieves: and roughly 35k were unclaimed and are now held by them as well
20:41:27 tiberiusii: ThickAsThieves: have you disclosed publicly that you are buying shares off of CoinBR and flipping them?
20:41:32 tiberiusii: and not operating an actual pass thru?
20:42:17 usagi: Now that you have said that I am certain that is absolutely not what he is doing.
20:42:35 tiberiusii: yes it is. he does not have an mpex account
20:42:45 usagi: Who gives a shit?
20:42:53 usagi: He owns the shares
20:42:54 tiberiusii: hes buying shares through coinBR which anyone can do, adding a premium to them
20:42:55 tiberiusii: and passing it on as a "pass thru"
20:43:14 tiberiusii: no he doesnt, they are held in a CoinBR account.
20:43:14 tiberiusii: has he disclosed the exposure of a third party to his buyers?
20:43:22 ThickAsThieves: yes
20:43:22 usagi: You mean like when a store buys stock and adds a markup without actually manufacturing anything?
20:43:25 ThickAsThieves: and
20:43:28 usagi: Again: Who gives a shit? TAT is doing well
20:43:36 ThickAsThieves: i own an mpex account
20:43:41 ThickAsThieves: as of yesterday
20:43:45 tiberiusii: usagi: the store has the stock in its possession.
20:43:45 ThickAsThieves: and will be moving all holdings there
20:43:53 dexX7: tiberiusii: how would one operate a pt? you have to sell shares in the "first round" anyway or would you wait, till someone wants to convert actual shares to pt-shares, so they get on the markett?
20:44:07 tiberiusii: he was selling a "pass thru" and not informing people of 3rd party exposure risk.
20:44:21 ThickAsThieves: did you read the asset contract?
20:44:40 tiberiusii: the one you recently modified?
20:44:41 tiberiusii: after you were called out on it
20:44:52 usagi: When Steve Jobs and Wozniak took their million dollar order for their apple computers they had no manufacturing capability and were running around like chickens with their heads cut off trying to get things done.
20:44:52 ThickAsThieves: BTCT contracts cannot be modified
20:44:56 usagi: Thats what it takes to be successful
20:45:08 tiberiusii: usagi and im not surprised a shady/scammer like yourself with a questionable history is standing by thickasthieves
20:45:16 ThickAsThieves: and you will see the BTCT one matches the others
20:45:19 usagi: I don't have a questionable history
20:45:24 tiberiusii: usagi you are a loser. go back to selling "silver" on bitcoin exchanges.
20:45:30 tiberiusii: usagi yes you do, you are a joke. shutup
20:45:33 dexX7: what is your accusation? that he doesn't use mpex?
20:45:39 usagi: Probably. lol
20:45:40 Rulother_: sigh
20:45:47 ThickAsThieves: tib you are usually much better than this
20:45:50 ThickAsThieves: try harder plz
20:46:15 tiberiusii: dexX7: he did not have a direct access to the shares, they were held in a 3rd party account that ANYONE can use.
20:46:18 tiberiusii: CoinBR. and hes simply trying to make a few pennies for himself by flipping them
20:46:21 ThickAsThieves: i didnt unignore you for lackluster entertainment
20:46:35 tiberiusii: meanwhile not telling anyone of the exposure
20:46:44 ThickAsThieves: it's in the contract
20:46:59 ThickAsThieves: read it
20:47:02 tiberiusii: thickasthieves is another lamer like chaang noi, these idiots follow any trend they can to try and skim a few dollars for thsemslves
20:47:14 ThickAsThieves: you have no clue what I am
20:47:29 tiberiusii: a loser? look what you are doing for income.
20:47:29 tiberiusii: riding the coat tails
20:47:41 thestringpuller: tiberius the third (LUPIN THE THIRD)
20:47:42 ThickAsThieves: what are you doing exactly?
20:47:45 tiberiusii: do something original man and at least be honest where you get the shares from.
20:47:50 tiberiusii: you didnt even have an account on mpx until today
20:47:51 Apocaly: did some asset issuers pulled out after the pirate news ?
20:48:06 ThickAsThieves: dude, srsly did you read the text?
20:48:08 ThickAsThieves: at all?
20:48:15 Rulother_: Seriously Tiber why do you bother coming in here?
20:48:18 dexX7: yeah well, but anyone could buy the underlying asset anyway, so this "that anyone can use" argument is kinda invalid as it comes to passthroughs?
20:48:18 usagi: tat seriously the guy is a nutjob, there's no point
20:48:36 thestringpuller: usagi look at you coming out of nowhere
20:48:38 thestringpuller: we need to speak
20:48:46 usagi: Sure
20:48:50 ThickAsThieves: i know, but usually his comments are grounded in reality at least
20:48:55 ThickAsThieves: dont usually see outright lies
20:49:00 ozbot: BTC-TC: BTC Trading Corp - View Security
20:49:01 usagi: Oh really.
20:49:09 usagi: Well, I don't hang out here that much I guess lol
20:49:15 tiberiusii: thickasthieves: can you point to where 3rd party/coinBr is mentioned?
20:49:18 tiberiusii: maybe im blind
20:49:22 ThickAsThieves: lol
20:49:26 ThickAsThieves: are you retarded
20:49:26 dexX7: wrong asset
20:50:17 ozbot: BTC-TC: BTC Trading Corp - View Security
20:50:19 tiberiusii: yes i see it thickasthieves
20:50:25 Duffer1: wait tib what's your beef with chaang?
20:50:30 ThickAsThieves: there ya go
20:50:43 Apocaly: he's a goat
20:50:45 dexX7: lol
20:50:45 dexX7: Each share of TAT.MINIGAME represents 1 share held of the underlying S.MG asset. Underlying shares are held within TAT Investments’ CoinBr MPEx Brokerage account.
20:50:48 Duffer1: ha
20:50:51 Apocaly: :)
20:50:57 tiberiusii: Duffer1: chaang noi was a particpant in the pireate40 pump and dump. he was running a pass thru
20:51:14 tiberiusii: collecting funds for an ongoing fraudulent scam
20:51:36 Duffer1: are you saying he knew it was a scam?
20:51:57 tiberiusii: um anyone with elementary math knowledge knew it was a scam, 7% a week payable in bitcoin is impossible.
20:52:04 tiberiusii: since there wasnt even enough bitcoins in circulation to do that
20:52:08 ThickAsThieves: okay i'm gonna put you back on ignore now, feel free to have someone ping me if you ever wanna have a big-boy conversation
20:52:27 tiberiusii: thickasthieves good for you, you are still dumb. go back to flipping shares for pennies pal
20:53:30 thestringpuller: tiberiusii: isn't tiberius the emperor of rome who lost the empire?
20:53:35 tiberiusii: Duffer1: being extremely dumb is not an excuse for criminal behavior
20:54:05 tiberiusii: chaang noi wanted to make a quick $ for himself by running a pass thru and defending pirate40 publicly
20:54:13 Stardust: tiberiusii, or maybe he knew, so what
20:54:17 tiberiusii: over and over, along with theymos
20:54:31 Stardust: business as usual in finance
20:54:52 tiberiusii: chang noi and theymos gave credibility to pirate40
20:54:53 Stardust: you won't prevent yourself from making some grants if you screw some clients in between
20:55:15 Stardust: *if you have to
20:55:42 tiberiusii: stardust unfortunately for chaang noi he will probably be named in the criminal indictment coming up
20:56:04 dexX7: you call them scammers, i call them victims like the rest of pirateat40's "customers"
20:56:07 tiberiusii: id say its a coin flip
20:56:19 tiberiusii: he wasnt a victim. he was taking a portion of the 7% for himself
20:56:22 Stardust: dexX7, probably the truth is something between those two
20:56:30 dexX7: maybe
20:56:34 tiberiusii: to attract new clients into a passthru while at the same time dismissing anyone who pointed to the obvious scam
20:56:50 Stardust: the only relevant thing is how the US justice will rule on that
20:56:59 tiberiusii: how dumb did you have to be to believe 7% compound a week is possible in a limited supply asset like bitcoin?
20:57:10 Stardust: pretty dumb tiberiusii i agree
20:57:55 tiberiusii: chang noi will still argue the mathematical possibility of it being legit
20:57:56 tiberiusii: lol/
20:58:11 tiberiusii: he was stating how it wasnt proven to be a scam. i mean come on
20:58:43 dexX7: do you say he knew it was a scam?
20:58:52 dexX7: and still promoted the pt?
20:59:08 tiberiusii: well is he mentally retarded?
20:59:13 dexX7: this would be a huge allegation
20:59:14 Duffer1: that's not proof though
20:59:22 tiberiusii: pirate40 would had to obtain 50,000 btc a week
20:59:38 tiberiusii: at some point hed have all the BTC that exist lol
21:00:01 tiberiusii: dexX7 its not an allegation he was running a feeder fund for a ponzi scheme its documented FACT
21:00:20 tiberiusii: he was also defending pirate40 in various public venues over and over
21:00:41 tiberiusii: he also claimed yesterday that the 7% weekly was possible since he himself could earn 1% a day of bitcoins
21:00:45 tiberiusii: its in the channel logs
21:01:40 Duffer1: isn't he technically correct?
21:01:59 tiberiusii: um no he isnt. its impossible to earn 7% paid in BTC on huge balances a week over and over
21:01:59 dexX7: ^yes
21:01:59 dexX7: moar
21:02:31 tiberiusii: Duffer1 are you now defending known fraudsters? are you participating in schemes youd like to share?
21:02:35 dexX7: tiberiusii: he may have operated a passthrough, but claim more than that
21:02:51 tiberiusii: the funny part is the defenders of known schemes tend to be running scams themselves
21:02:54 tiberiusii: ie usagi
21:03:03 tiberiusii: very shady past
21:03:16 tiberiusii: dexX7 shutup.
21:03:18 dexX7: lol
21:03:22 Duffer1: of course I'm not defending fraud
21:03:29 tiberiusii: Duffer1 you seem to be
21:03:43 tiberiusii: care to share the scams you are trying to promote?
21:03:44 Duffer1: you're saying he screwed people, I'm asking you to prove he wasn't also screwed
21:04:12 tiberiusii: so one criminal screws another and that makes the latter innocent of being a crook?
21:04:24 tiberiusii: who cares if he got scrwed himself, he deserved it
21:04:43 tiberiusii: he was defending a criminal enterprise and promoting its operation
21:05:23 Duffer1: prove he knew it was criminal
21:05:25 tiberiusii: your logic is thats perfectly fine because he got burned himself.
21:05:47 tiberiusii: i dont have to prove anything. he was actively promoting a fraud while ignoring OBVIOUS signs and warnings for personal gain
21:05:49 dexX7: tiberiusii: what is your intention anyway? what do you like to accomplish with your talk?
21:06:05 tiberiusii: dexX7 what scam are you currently involved in?
21:06:23 tiberiusii: along with Duffer1
21:06:27 Duffer1: chill man, we're asking for evidence, nothing more
21:06:53 Duffer1: of course the whole deal reeked of scam
21:06:53 tiberiusii: listen chump, the evidence is all over the public venues. go dig it up yourself.
21:07:23 tiberiusii: chaang noi was defending and encouraging participation into a ponzi scheme. criminal ignorance is NOT a valid defense
21:07:34 dexX7: why would you think i'm involved in any scam?
21:07:47 ThickAsThieves: this is something i have never been able to truly understand, trolling
21:07:55 ThickAsThieves: like i can see generally messing with people
21:08:04 tiberiusii: ThickasThieves you are generally a low life too
21:08:09 ThickAsThieves: but real trolling just doesnt register in my head
21:08:22 tiberiusii: waiting around for someone clever to create something you can ride the coat tails and trend of
21:08:32 tiberiusii: selling shares of scam companies like ministry of games
21:09:01 ThickAsThieves: can a person be that broken to enjoy themselves in this manner?
21:09:09 ThickAsThieves: it's weird
21:09:09 tiberiusii: i wouldnt be surprised in 1-2 years when mircea popescu is being charged for operating an illegal boiler room
21:09:13 tiberiusii: that thickasthieves is in the same boat as chaang noi today
21:09:39 tiberiusii: for actively promoting the sale of junk securities
21:10:04 jcpham: tiberiusii let's run a scam together you and me
21:10:07 sky_king: tiberiousii do you have anything positive to say about anything?
21:10:09 jcpham: i have all sorts of trust
21:10:10 dexX7: i'm in
21:10:14 dexX7: let's start an asic company
21:10:22 jcpham: we can probably steal it all
21:10:26 jcpham: all the litecoins
21:10:58 jcpham: aww yeah asic company should be easy enough
21:11:04 jcpham: some pics on ready and a preorder page
21:11:06 tiberiusii: sky_king: why should i be "positive" about ongoing scams in this channel?
21:11:12 ThickAsThieves: an ltc asic scam is overdue
21:11:13 jcpham: 2 week lead out on shipping
21:11:30 jcpham: *ready = reddit
21:11:33 dexX7: :D
21:11:42 jcpham: litecoins ASIC is coming ThickAsThieves :)
21:11:47 jcpham: i've seen the prototypes
21:11:55 ThickAsThieves: shut up and take my money
21:12:06 jcpham: each one has 128GB of RAM
21:12:09 sky_king: tiberiusii not asking you to change your mind about scams, but if you want me to listen, I like to see an alternative.
21:13:44 tiberiusii: sky_king: who the fuck said i wanted some dumbass to listen? you a small time piker go back to your corner.
21:14:30 Duffer1: go outside and take some deep breaths man
21:14:35 dexX7: <dexX7> tiberiusii: what is your intention anyway? what do you like to accomplish with your talk?
21:14:49 sky_king: tiberiusii - you typed your message in a public channel. if you didn't want everyone to listen you would have pm mircea popescu
21:21:25 Stardust: tiberiusii, well the usagi part is well known
21:21:42 Stardust: even MP calls him a lolcow
21:21:44 usagi: Not at all.
21:22:03 usagi: MP thinks I worked for nefario and was a GLBSE board member
21:23:10 usagi: CPA was attacked because it was going to chase down the scammers when GLBSE failed. We got ripped off for a lot of money by peole like ian bakewell and bitcoinoz who heavily contributed to the trolling in order to avoid paying us what we were owed
21:23:20 usagi: We were lucky to get back the BitVPS shares from brendio
21:23:24 jcpham: what is a piker
21:25:43 sky_king: jcpham piker is a person that makes small bets - which in my case is true.
21:25:47 sky_king: I am a piker
21:26:15 usagi: there's nothing wrong with that
21:27:02 Duffer1: gotta start somewhere
21:27:04 sky_king: I've helped people for free often enough that I've been called a saint more than once.
21:27:37 sky_king: and a faith healer
21:27:54 tiberiusii: usagi is an idiot, hes some broke bum storing silver coins in a basement.
21:27:55 sky_king: I won't deny any of these names.
21:28:15 tiberiusii: usagi you are a liar, fraud and you accuse people of various things. as i said please go away
21:28:23 usagi: tiberius; Mark my words
21:28:33 usagi: tiberius; I have evidence
21:30:37 tiberiusii: usagi: there is countless threads of your shady behavior all over the forum
21:30:52 tiberiusii: your always trying to sell something, borrow bitcoins etc.
21:31:32 sky_king: seriously, tiberiousii say something nice. Maybe about Mother Theresa. You like her don't you?
21:31:51 mircea_popescu: i don't like mother theresa. first she never had kids
21:31:58 mircea_popescu: second she never showed her tits.
21:31:59 tiberiusii: sky_king: pikers not allowed to have an opinion.
21:32:01 mircea_popescu: what a wasted life.
21:32:15 tiberiusii: lol the pervert boiler room operator gypsy strolls in
21:32:30 tiberiusii: with the fake name popescu which is like a smith in romania
21:41:47 tiberiusii: so does anyone know if bitinstant is finished?
21:42:10 tibertroll: tiberiusii , I blew a huge load on your moms ass last night
21:42:48 tibertroll: Then your granny
21:43:09 tibertroll: I teabagged her after
21:43:12 kakobrekla: no love for daddy?
21:43:15 tiberiusii: get some more amusing material
21:43:16 Stardust: heh
21:43:27 tiberiusii: come up with more amusing comments pls
21:43:28 tibertroll: I had dad lick my asshole
21:43:45 tibertroll: they said Tiberius is a dissapointment
21:44:31 tibertroll: All he knows how to do is suck balls and troll
21:44:40 tibertroll: he is no good at either, I can tell you
21:47:33 tibertroll: tiberiusii , so I heard you went to comic-con and paid for some nerds to dress up like Star Trek and ass rape you
21:47:53 rulother-gs: Damn
21:48:03 dexX7: ^ hahaha
21:48:04 tibertroll: spock blew a load of green jizz in your mouth
21:48:12 rulother-gs: :/
21:48:17 dexX7: "it's him again", right? ^^
21:48:17 tibertroll: it is on youtube
21:48:21 rulother-gs: Poor spock
21:49:23 tibertroll: you wanted a reach around and Kirk told you to fuck off
21:49:32 tibertroll: now you are angry and troll
21:49:54 tiberiusii: yea
21:50:09 tiberiusii: you got it right
21:50:59 mircea_popescu: i need a degree in cryptography just to comprehend wtf people are talking about in this chan anymore
22:12:40 dub: you know you're looking at a winning corporate culture when they guy telling a largish audience that 15% will lose thier jobs gets applause at the end on it
22:12:56 rulother-gs: Who?
22:14:45 ThickAsThieves: mp, is this a meme yet? http://chinezu.eu/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/gizeh_pyramids.jpg
22:14:59 ThickAsThieves: someone shared it in the forums
22:15:17 ThickAsThieves: needs some photochopping to place you in diff situations
22:15:33 Apocalyptic: heh, horrible suit btw
22:16:34 mircea_popescu: dub sounds great.
22:16:38 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves it is in romania yeah
22:16:48 mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic what's wrong with it ?
22:17:35 Apocalyptic: it just doesn't fit you well i find, kinda too large
22:17:59 mircea_popescu: i never went for that entire tight thing.
22:18:02 mircea_popescu: im a skinny fuck.
22:18:41 dub: yah, an organisation where analingus is most valuable competency is going places
22:18:44 mircea_popescu: anyway, i took that suit from horseback riding in the sands of the sahara to horseback riding on central america's volcanoes. it actually held up like a champ.
22:19:00 mircea_popescu: dub don't underestimate the power of obedience.
22:19:07 mircea_popescu: it's much more powerful than self-entitledness.
22:19:12 ThickAsThieves: you kinda look like a rabbi in it, for some reason
22:19:32 mircea_popescu: probably because of the beard.
22:22:02 ThickAsThieves: MPOE-PR is trying to tell you something "You need better research, seriously now. (Yes there's a massive volume of wrong stuff in your post, I'm just picking a couple cause I'm not getting paid enough for the whole thing.)"
22:22:39 ThickAsThieves: pay the woman!
22:25:26 tiberiusii: mircea's suit is straight out of a walmart catalogue
22:26:06 tibertroll: tieriusvii , I just finished taking my shit, be a good bitch and come wipe my ass
22:26:50 dexX7: A day later, in a completely different environment, the researchers delivered an electric shock to the mice at the same time that they stimulated the previously identified brain cells to trigger the earlier memory. << kinda clever clever >_<
22:27:42 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves lol she has been on a roll on teh forum
22:28:39 mircea_popescu: lmao. "https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=261235.160 i guess that has meanwhile turned into a MP fascination thread"
22:29:03 mircea_popescu: i guess im a very successful photobloggar.