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01:04:24 thestringpuller: !ticker btctc BITVPS

01:40:58 dub: ;;nethash

01:41:04 dub: ;;bcstats

01:44:44 TradeFartress: http://www.reddit.com/r/CoinChat/comments/1izeya/my_name_is_tradefartress_and_i_run_coinchat_ama/ Twitter: @TradeFartress

01:44:46 ozbot: My name is TradeFartress, and I run CoinChat. AMA : CoinChat

01:47:14 dub: q. who cares?

01:47:52 mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/486/james-gibson-aka-gigavps-to-be-named-as/

01:47:56 ozbot: BitBet - James Gibson aka gigavps to be named as Pirate ponzi scheme fraudulent beneficiary

01:47:59 mircea_popescu: apparently nobody wants any action huh

01:48:39 TradeFartress: mircea_popescu: I want some action, whatcha got?

01:48:46 mircea_popescu: see link.

01:49:42 mircea_popescu: also, your reddit ama did a lot worse than my sa ama.

01:49:48 TradeFartress: Yeah! That's a good one.

01:50:20 TradeFartress: I know. :( Apparently no one likes the TradeFartress

01:50:24 mircea_popescu: a well.

01:50:28 dub: because its not obvious why someone would bother trolling tradefortress, note this is not him

01:50:44 mircea_popescu: dub how do you know ?

01:50:49 mircea_popescu: i was kinda leaning that way.

01:51:00 dub: I'm psychic

01:51:06 TradeFartress: I am the real one

01:51:38 mircea_popescu: TradeFartress so are you one of the butthuert ripple investors ? or /

01:52:04 TradeFartress: Ripple Investors? I scammed all them bitches out of Ripples

01:53:00 mircea_popescu: ic

01:54:03 dub: re: giga I liked the theory that any potential conspirators would be turned into witnesses

01:54:19 dub: tis 'murica and all

01:54:27 TradeFartress: FUCK YEA!

01:54:28 byMideowas: mp, your bet is tl;tr

01:54:45 dub: I've seen enough CSI to know they'll prolly 'turn states'

01:54:52 Duffer: there's always tradefortress drama in the scam accusations forum, usually good for a laugh

01:55:38 byMideowas: let me rephrase

01:55:40 byMideowas: who is gigavps?

01:55:56 dub: lurk moar

01:56:08 TradeFartress: @Duffer that TradeFortress guy is impersonating me ... No one can scam like me

01:59:29 TradeFartress: TradeFortress told me to offer start offering a 7%/week investment scheme during a busy #bitcoin-otc with no ops ... pffft. I can do better

02:00:50 dub: theres no self respect left in the trolling game

02:06:03 mircea_popescu: byMideowas yeah. and p[eople still comment that it's "unclear"

02:06:21 mircea_popescu: for every person with a bitcoin there's about 50 with an idea at at least 5000 that know better.

02:07:47 mircea_popescu: dub witness as to what exactly.

02:08:25 dub: how trendon likes his steak

02:09:33 byMideowas: so what's your take? sounds like your thinking the btc community/share community will get screwed over this sec incident..

02:10:43 mircea_popescu: it does ?!

02:12:23 byMideowas: it does sound like this or the community gets screwed?

02:12:37 byMideowas: let's put on a tinfoilhat

02:12:41 byMideowas: theymos is an informant

02:12:53 byMideowas: share issuers get crazy over this

02:12:59 byMideowas: share prices crash

02:13:18 byMideowas: is this, what you think?

02:14:35 byMideowas: i'm sure it's not. but i honor your opinion and that's why i'd like to hear more :)

02:16:08 mjoiii: Isn't it the same old 'weak hands' bit?

02:17:22 mircea_popescu: byMideowas were you talking to me ? i totally imagined half the convo is on my ignore list.

02:19:28 byMideowas: well yea, but anyone should feel free to participate

02:20:12 byMideowas: mjoiii: i think so, too. "strong hands" will profit.

02:21:31 mjoiii: Meaning it seems odd that anyone could be shocked that we'd run into the sec at some point.

02:22:22 byMideowas: true

02:22:39 Duffer: i don't think it will come to anything really though

02:22:45 Duffer: at least not for a while

02:23:10 mjoiii: I took it as a positive. Sec looking out for BTC investors.

02:23:23 Duffer: offers will still be made but posted as pass-throughs on various exchanges that will do business with US investors

02:23:25 mjoiii: Almost an endorsement.

02:23:42 Duffer: you're right i agree

02:25:25 mjoiii: Anyway was the first potential scare, and interesting to see how various community members took it.

02:25:59 mjoiii: Some terrified, some planning workarounds, it's healthy overall to shake things up a bit.

02:26:10 dub: its te first scare if you don't count the other ones

02:26:33 Duffer: lol

02:27:06 dub: newbs get spooked, its the nature of newness

02:27:41 mjoiii: Well, yeah, but attention on unlicensed securities seems like it could really count.

02:27:59 dub: its not the first of that

02:28:08 mjoiii: Amazing we came this far without that ever being tested.

02:28:15 dub: it hasnt

02:28:17 mjoiii: Oh?

02:28:28 Duffer: glbse

02:28:45 mjoiii: Had attention from regulators?

02:28:52 Duffer: oh

02:29:08 dub: supposedly

02:30:57 mircea_popescu: <mjoiii> Anyway was the first potential scare << no, it wasn't.

02:31:17 mircea_popescu: look up the forum for "bitcoin doesn't care about the sec" signatures from back last oct.

02:32:38 mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=115693.0 such as.

02:32:56 ozbot: Let's have a little fun then, shall we.

02:34:01 mjoiii: Ha! Nice

03:07:13 mjoiii: Thanks for the link MP, good reminder. This is what disruption is all about after all.

03:13:23 Duffer: wow basic-mining half off

03:13:25 Duffer: today only

03:15:11 byMideowas: lowest low 0.13

03:15:17 byMideowas: it's crazy almost

03:15:44 Duffer: ya saw earlier today as it happened /wish i had free capital

03:16:02 Namworld: Might be an option, with unknown premium

03:16:14 Namworld: Might have been less or have been purchased a long while ago

03:16:27 Namworld: I mean more

03:16:30 Namworld: With premium

03:16:35 byMideowas: nope, no options

03:16:45 byMideowas: it would be visible in the trade history

03:17:04 tiberiusix: hi namworld

03:17:33 Namworld: Hey there

04:04:44 elchespirito: Hello guys, what's the latest news on btct?

04:04:51 elchespirito: I heard there's some weird stuff going on

04:07:11 ThickAsThieves: news is the owner got loose with his words and spooked some people, then realized he should take a break and calm down

04:07:16 ThickAsThieves: if that's news

04:07:32 ThickAsThieves: unclear whether anything is actually changing

04:09:59 elchespirito: ok, where was that?

04:10:03 elchespirito: @bitcointalk?

04:16:03 tiberiusix: Tat: are you still scamming people with your "pass thru"

04:16:21 tiberiusix: you let everyone know you dont actually have any mpex account and are just buying shares off of jurov's site

04:16:24 tiberiusix: and flipping them

04:16:43 elchespirito: wow

04:16:45 elchespirito: that's serious shit

04:16:57 tiberiusix: what is?

04:18:56 elchespirito: what you are saying

04:19:00 elchespirito: about TAT scamming people

04:19:41 tiberiusix: he doesnt have an mpex account

04:19:48 tiberiusix: hes just buying shares off of jurov's brokerage

04:19:54 tiberiusix: and adding a premium to flip them

04:20:16 tiberiusix: and claiming that its a pass thru

04:20:16 ThickAsThieves: elchespirito, it sounds like you haven't ignored someone you should have

04:20:19 ThickAsThieves: lemme guess, tiberiusix?

04:20:21 dub: its not really a scam its just failing to disclose the extra exposure

04:20:36 tiberiusix: sure because everyone can go on coinbr and do what hes doing

04:20:43 tiberiusix: the fucking loser is trying to make a few pennies for himself

04:21:53 ThickAsThieves: btw TAT Investments now runs a "real" MPEX account

04:22:14 ThickAsThieves: all CoinBr holdings of underlying assets will be transferred to it

04:22:27 ThickAsThieves: and CoinBr will no longer be used for underlying assets

04:22:54 ThickAsThieves: this is not necessarily saying people shouldn't use CoinBr

04:23:17 elchespirito: ok then I'll ignore tiberiusix

04:23:19 elchespirito: then

04:23:23 elchespirito: thanks man

04:23:26 ThickAsThieves: Jurov has been great, it's just an extra layer that makes doing business better for us

04:23:50 ThickAsThieves: I will likely continue to keep a CoinBr account for personal long-term holdings

04:26:51 dub: you know, putting some disclosure on your PTs about your arbitraging activities is probably a good idea

04:29:16 dub: pretty sure some would see it as fraud

04:37:15 ThickAsThieves: dub I am trying to pm you to get some clarity, I know I've had issues getting pms thru to you in the past

05:00:01 TradeFartress: Good morning superroot! How's trading?

05:00:32 superroot: TradeFartress: Good :D

05:01:54 TradeFartress: superroot: I am selling my code so people can make shitty chats like mine. Did you see it?

05:02:54 superroot: TradeFartress, Link?

05:03:45 TradeFartress: superroot: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=250454 buy it!

05:17:24 BTCOxygen: TradeFartress = Not real TradeFortress.

05:17:51 TradeFartress: There is only one TRADEFARTRESS

05:18:18 BTCOxygen: TradeFartress: Who are you?

05:18:54 TradeFartress: BTCOxygen: I am TradeFartress who else?

05:19:35 TradeFartress: Follow me on twitter @TradeFartress http://redd.it/1izeya

06:23:37 ThickAsThieves: how not to IPO: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=261983.msg2799608#msg2799608

06:32:47 mircea_popescu: heh

06:32:49 mircea_popescu: i guess so

06:33:27 mircea_popescu: "We just don't feel right now it is the right moment to make the IPO as within 2 to 3 weeks we can IPO against a way better share price than we can now, and we have a responsability to our investors to find the best price possible. "

06:33:27 mircea_popescu: herp

06:33:42 mircea_popescu: two lines up he's talking about how x should have chosen words more carefully.

06:34:30 mircea_popescu: Our company valuation is based on 3 factors:

06:34:31 mircea_popescu: 3. The future potential of an IPO on bitfunder

06:34:35 mircea_popescu: yeah. really a good example.

06:34:57 ThickAsThieves: so many choice lines

06:35:13 ThickAsThieves: "When looking at the future potential of an IPO on bitfunder, which for now is the earliest exit point for our investors,"

06:35:48 ThickAsThieves: well, that whole section is awesome really

06:36:02 ThickAsThieves: "When looking at the future potential of an IPO on bitfunder, which for now is the earliest exit point for our investors, we can only make a decent analysis by looking at previous IPO's and company valuations. Considering the sale of SatoshiDice, Satoshi Poker will probably be the only pseudo-gaming asset on bitfunder (we are not gaming by Dutch law), amongst some mining farms and a

06:36:02 ThickAsThieves: webshop. Considering the fact that Satoshi Dice had an IPO of over 35K BTC in 3 days, selling only 10% of their company; considering that BitPride, a webshop, sold less than 5% of their shares for over 400BTC, considering a financial service called Ziggap did the same for 500 BTC, I think it is rediculous to value a profitable organisation with the growth and potential which we show

06:36:03 ThickAsThieves: lower than, with all due respect, a financial service which cooked the books and a t-shirt website which sells some bitcoins on the side."

06:36:37 ThickAsThieves: with all due respect, no offense

06:37:02 mircea_popescu: herpderp.

06:37:29 mircea_popescu: because s.dice ipo'd on havelock etc.

06:38:05 ThickAsThieves: and then this lavalips post just above

06:38:13 ThickAsThieves: appears to be a socking error

06:38:20 ThickAsThieves: or soemthing

06:38:49 mircea_popescu: lolwut

06:39:27 ThickAsThieves: OP says: "It means that the original poster did not discuss with Ukyo prior to posting, which should have been done."

06:40:07 ThickAsThieves: maybe someone in the co has gone rogue?

06:41:52 mircea_popescu: who knoes.

06:42:37 ThickAsThieves: another good one

06:42:39 ThickAsThieves: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=259772.msg2798540#msg2798540

06:42:45 ozbot: [Smidge.Com] - A virtual, actively managed, multi-asset digital currency fund

06:42:50 ThickAsThieves: "I'm not sure about putting serious money in the hands of someone with only 3 months experience"

06:42:59 ThickAsThieves: says the guy with 3mos experience

06:43:14 ThickAsThieves: sigh

06:44:27 VanCleef: lol

06:44:39 VanCleef: we were having a good laugh about that few hours ago

06:46:57 VanCleef: lolz at this thread is going places

07:09:01 mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=261066.msg2798760#msg2798760

07:09:01 mircea_popescu: lol

07:09:07 ozbot: [WTS] Extremely Secure GPG keys

07:09:28 ThickAsThieves: bets usagi post ever?

07:09:31 ThickAsThieves: best*

07:11:20 mircea_popescu: quite possibly.

07:12:17 usagi: I'd say no, I can think of several posts which were much better than that one

07:12:39 ThickAsThieves: i'm skeptical

07:15:22 usagi: Hmm, well let's see

07:16:17 ThickAsThieves: gtg

07:18:53 usagi: Well this one is pretty good: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.religion.wicca/19EB4BEa5CU

07:19:16 usagi: I guess you're right, the gpg one is pretty classic, but there's a lot to choose from, you just aren't aware of my repitoire.

07:19:53 usagi: Hey. It's a hobby. Everyone has a good laugh in the end right?

07:23:45 usagi: This is pretty classic too, and recieved alot of praise:

07:23:46 usagi: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.martial-arts/tai$20chi$20regional$20usagi/rec.martial-arts/Cw-3aSg1AlE/c4YGZCgha1IJ

07:23:48 ozbot: Google Groups

08:44:03 VanCleef: um yes, that makes sense

10:05:25 gecko_x2: woosh

10:05:27 gecko_x2: lol

10:05:35 gecko_x2: someone just bought some AM :)

14:09:07 mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=261376.msg2801939#msg2801939

14:09:10 mircea_popescu: kinda lulzy.

14:09:18 ozbot: Atlas ATS Exchange: free membership campaign

14:10:07 mircea_popescu: dub https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=261465.msg2801392#msg2801392

14:14:10 taub: thanks mp

14:14:14 taub: mtgox fees are insane

14:14:30 taub: might actually back it because why the fuck not

14:14:31 Rulother_: Glad I dont bother with them

14:14:54 mircea_popescu: taub do yourself a favour trade otc.

14:14:59 mircea_popescu: there's so many options now.

14:16:19 kakobrekla: speaking of exchanges

14:16:28 kakobrekla: kids with css skills surpased gox or some shit

14:16:52 kakobrekla: http://www.coindesk.com/bitstamp-bitcoin-trading-volume-overtakes-mt-gox-for-first-time/

14:16:55 ozbot: Bitstamp bitcoin trading volume overtakes Mt. Gox for first time

14:16:55 mircea_popescu: not so hard to do.

14:17:01 dub: lol

14:17:07 taub: doesnt work for short term speculation

14:17:11 taub: which is what i do

14:17:44 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/360403452913926147

14:17:55 taub: Bitstamp bitcoin trading volume overtakes Mt. Gox for first time

14:17:57 taub: nice!

14:17:59 mircea_popescu: nothing is quite as exquisitely enjoyable as humiliating those who thought themselves colossal

14:18:04 kakobrekla: taub how is this nice

14:18:15 taub: might lead mtgox to step up their game

14:18:34 kakobrekla: taub this is a comedy not drama

14:19:12 taub: what you mean

14:19:29 kakobrekla: if it was drama they would step up

14:19:37 taub: oh

14:20:19 kakobrekla: anyway, people are so desperate they will use that piece of shit that bitstamp is

14:20:22 kakobrekla: is all

14:20:32 taub: i bought all my initial bitcoins there

14:20:34 taub: it's alright

14:21:15 kakobrekla: its not alright.

14:21:31 kakobrekla: its allwrong.

14:22:40 taub: whats wrong with it?

14:22:45 taub: I don't use it so I couldnt tell

14:22:58 taub: i think its average for a bitcoin exchange

14:23:13 Rulother_: Coinbase for me has always been excellent

14:23:24 kakobrekla: well to be honest, im good at breaking things.

14:23:44 kakobrekla: and their exhcange is broken in lot of ways

14:23:56 kakobrekla: beside that, they dont have any biu ethics

14:24:09 kakobrekla: biz ethnics

14:24:36 taub: Open an Account

14:24:36 taub: Personal Information

14:24:36 taub: Name

14:24:36 taub: Date/Place of Birth in ,

14:24:37 taub: Social Security #

14:24:40 taub: yea

14:24:42 taub: no

14:25:13 taub: Atlas signup

14:36:02 thestringpuller: ;;seen mod6

14:40:48 thestringpuller: ;;ticker

14:41:33 ThickAsThieves: http://www.theverge.com/2013/7/24/4554420/nsa-amendment-defeated-allowing-agency-to-keep-spying

14:41:36 ozbot: House narrowly defeats NSA amendment, allowing agency to keep spying on Americans | The Verge

15:08:47 gecko_x2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQ1YgNaP2o4&list=PL80C3E88CBD9F27B5

15:09:25 Rulother_: http://thegenesisblock.com/10000-bitcoin-asic-chips-arrive-in-switzerland-3-ths/

15:09:27 ozbot: 10,000 Bitcoin Mining ASIC Chips Arrive in Switzerland - 3 TH/s - The Genesis Block

15:11:07 ThickAsThieves: "The order was originally placed on April 16th, arriving 99 days later"

15:11:27 ThickAsThieves: "A safe estimate places total per-chip cost at 0.1 BTC." (290MHs ea)

15:11:47 Rulother_: It's not a bad deal

15:11:59 Rulother_: I just sent my 5th email to BFL about my cancellation

15:12:10 Rulother_: So this is going to be a fun process

15:13:47 ThickAsThieves: call them

15:14:53 Rulother_: I just might

15:15:03 Rulother_: I'll give them until tomorrow

15:15:40 ThickAsThieves: just call, trust me

15:19:11 Rulother_: I would today, but going to be a busy day at work for me. Fridays are usually just less chaotic.

15:44:33 Rulother_: money

16:08:13 thestringpuller: ;;ticker

16:10:16 pizzaman1337: bitcoinworld seems to be slow recently, I miss the days when there was more action...

16:11:02 thestringpuller: you mean more scams?

16:11:20 carrying: smaller trading range and lower volume happens usually in times, when there is undecidedness, followed by explosive movement

16:11:52 carrying: and take a look at the share-markets.. there is huge action since yesterday

16:13:19 pizzaman1337: perhaps

16:13:34 thestringpuller: most money may be invested in the existing crytpo-companies

16:13:58 thestringpuller: There's more volume in assets than in BTC exchanges.

16:14:24 pizzaman1337: is there any measure of "total assets volume"?

16:14:37 thestringpuller: you'd have to grep assbot

16:14:53 carrying: or sum the volume listed on the websites

16:16:25 carrying: bitfunder roughly 750, btct 8750, havelock 815 over the last 24 hours

16:16:40 thestringpuller: what about mpex?

16:17:38 carrying: you're right. sorry.. 742 btc

16:18:49 carrying: but especially those 9k on btct are due to the sec stuff

16:19:03 pizzaman1337: mpex feels "small" now, with no S.DICE and almost no option volume

16:20:02 thestringpuller: !ticker m ^OIX

16:20:16 thestringpuller: wow

16:20:16 thestringpuller: there is literally no option volume

16:20:19 carrying: i would be interested in total share market cap, but it would be tricky to get exact numbers, because asset A could be invested in asset B etc.

16:31:30 ThickAsThieves: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=262429.msg2802818#msg2802818

16:31:35 ozbot: comparing bitcoin stock exchanges: mpex / btct / cryptostocks / bitfunder

16:31:52 ThickAsThieves: an in-depth and accurate analysis

16:32:01 thestringpuller: ah ThickAsThieves returns

16:32:07 thestringpuller: like a Thief in the night.

16:32:50 ThickAsThieves: I always leave more than once

16:32:50 Scrat: he stole my bike

16:33:30 thestringpuller: why you stealin' bies ThickAsThieves

16:33:32 thestringpuller: bikes*

16:33:49 ThickAsThieves: no need for a bike here

16:33:50 ThickAsThieves: too hot

16:38:23 hollywoodundead: hmm, I did not know cryptotocks was still around. I am not one for pointing out spelling mistakes - the main banned says "do not invest more than you can loose" < not reassuring

16:38:51 Rulother_: I do like their site though

16:38:56 Rulother_: It's pretty

16:38:58 ThickAsThieves: that and all the "hacks"

16:40:31 ThickAsThieves: MPEX

16:40:31 ThickAsThieves: website: primitive

16:40:31 ThickAsThieves: 30 day volume: 22,000 btc

16:40:31 ThickAsThieves: listing fee: 30 btc!!!

16:40:31 ThickAsThieves: other comments: They operator seems insufferably rude. You can see it in his FAQ. These guys are best known for handling the recent SatoshiDice deal. Between the high fee and rude operator, it's not clear to me why people use this service.

16:40:33 Scrat: hehe, "loose"

16:41:03 ThickAsThieves: the world revolves around a turdburger apparently

16:41:22 ThickAsThieves: BitFunder

16:41:22 ThickAsThieves: website: nice!

16:41:22 ThickAsThieves: 30 day volume: not sure, but I think it's very high

16:41:22 ThickAsThieves: listing fee: 5btc

16:41:22 ThickAsThieves: other comments: another great-looking site. Everything seems professional

16:41:54 ThickAsThieves: CSS 1, HTML Tables 0

16:42:36 Rulother_: I wish btct had the charts like bitfunder

16:43:02 hollywoodundead: I got bored looking at cryptostocks site already. nothing interesting at all

16:43:26 kakobrekla: its not exchanges biz to keep 'nice' charts

16:43:42 ThickAsThieves: also tell me what you really use the charts for

16:43:48 ThickAsThieves: really

16:43:56 thestringpuller: lol

16:43:58 Rulother_: History of the stock itself

16:44:05 Rulother_: "asset"

16:44:07 thestringpuller: its the exchanges job to execute trades efficiently

16:44:10 thestringpuller: it's*

16:44:12 ThickAsThieves: www.coinflow.co

16:44:16 ThickAsThieves: all the charts you need

16:44:19 Rulother_: yes I can use that too

16:44:32 Rulother_: But it would be nice, to have that one the site too.

16:45:19 ThickAsThieves: i can't think of one time a chart has been useful to me on any of these exchanges

16:45:27 hollywoodundead: lol, no

16:45:40 hollywoodundead: though coinflow is very nice- who make that?

16:45:45 ThickAsThieves: parseval

16:46:02 ThickAsThieves: he has plans to keep growing it too

16:49:30 hollywoodundead: coinflow is very nice, the more I look at it

16:49:39 hollywoodundead: he did a great job

16:50:19 carrying: do you think people would pay for data connectors to metatrader or other charting softwares?

16:50:59 carrying: or would something like that end up in "scam, virus, make it open source"?

16:51:33 Rulother_: Not sure

16:51:40 hollywoodundead: sierra already does that, at least it used to

16:52:31 carrying: true, but only for btc/usd, if i recall correctly

16:53:27 thestringpuller: hollywoodundead ain't in no middle school

16:53:32 Rulother_: lol

16:54:09 thestringpuller: he making sierra chart references

16:54:13 thestringpuller: dis nigga 15 at least

16:55:38 Rulother_: whores

16:58:49 imsaguy: where's MP?

16:59:23 ThickAsThieves: sleeping?

16:59:27 ThickAsThieves: sexing?]

16:59:32 ThickAsThieves: hustling?

16:59:35 ThickAsThieves: you choose

17:00:42 VanCleef: making a rap album?

17:00:54 Rulother_: with B I G

17:01:15 Rulother_: talking about mo money mo problems

17:01:35 VanCleef: mo bitcoin mo scammers

17:01:39 hollywoodundead: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MDsC69i40o < mp

17:01:40 ozbot: Thad Castle - Cocaine - YouTube

17:01:46 Rulother_: lol

17:01:51 VanCleef: thaaad

17:01:54 VanCleef: bms?

17:02:07 hollywoodundead: goats baby

17:17:49 imsaguy: So everyone's seen all the court docs?

17:17:55 imsaguy: is that why MP put up that bet?

17:18:42 mjoiii: Put up a bet where?

17:20:09 imsaguy: http://bitbet.us/bet/486/james-gibson-aka-gigavps-to-be-named-as/

17:20:13 ozbot: BitBet - James Gibson aka gigavps to be named as Pirate ponzi scheme fraudulent beneficiary

18:08:51 usagi: pain sucks

18:11:11 Rulother_: usually

18:26:44 Duffer1: zzzz

18:26:56 ThickAsThieves: http://bitcoinmagazine.com/erik-voorhees-new-frontier/

18:27:07 ozbot: Erik Voorhees "Bitcoin is the new frontier"Bitcoin Magazine

18:30:26 Duffer1: harsh words for 'murica

18:35:30 TomServo: Odd there was no mention of the SD sale.

18:36:00 Duffer1: probably assumed anyone reading the article would know about the sale, they probably did ask him but edited the article for brevity

18:36:30 ThickAsThieves: or the interview was before

18:40:54 Duffer1: could be right TAT he mentions bitinstant as a fast way to get usd into btc

18:44:22 Rulother_: o great

19:18:14 mjoiii:

19:19:07 thestringpuller: !ticker btctc bitvps

19:46:12 ThickAsThieves: http://www.ted.com/talks/paul_kemp_robertson_bitcoin_sweat_tide_meet_the_future_of_branded_currency.html

19:46:15 ozbot: Paul Kemp-Robertson: Bitcoin. Sweat. Tide. Meet the future of branded currency. | Video on TED.com

20:01:13 dub: I love my job

20:01:35 dub: 20 minutes sleep in the last 26 hours

20:01:50 jcpham: nice

20:02:23 thestringpuller: dub what do you do?

20:02:24 dexX7: x_x what's your job, if i may ask?

20:02:33 dub: I internet

20:12:43 dub: finished tying the tubes back together, time to iron a shirt and drive to the office for a meeting

20:39:23 usagi: does anyone know how many shares of asicminer are outstanding?

20:39:35 tiberiusii: go away usagi

20:40:12 ThickAsThieves: roughly 165k are public

20:40:25 ThickAsThieves: 200k were retained be bitfountain

20:40:32 usagi: IIRC they have 400k shares?

20:40:38 dexX7: yup

20:40:38 usagi: Mmm

20:40:42 ThickAsThieves: and roughly 35k were unclaimed and are now held by them as well

20:41:27 tiberiusii: ThickAsThieves: have you disclosed publicly that you are buying shares off of CoinBR and flipping them?

20:41:32 tiberiusii: and not operating an actual pass thru?

20:42:17 usagi: Now that you have said that I am certain that is absolutely not what he is doing.

20:42:35 tiberiusii: yes it is. he does not have an mpex account

20:42:45 usagi: Who gives a shit?

20:42:53 usagi: He owns the shares

20:42:54 tiberiusii: hes buying shares through coinBR which anyone can do, adding a premium to them

20:42:55 tiberiusii: and passing it on as a "pass thru"

20:43:14 tiberiusii: no he doesnt, they are held in a CoinBR account.

20:43:14 tiberiusii: has he disclosed the exposure of a third party to his buyers?

20:43:22 ThickAsThieves: yes

20:43:22 usagi: You mean like when a store buys stock and adds a markup without actually manufacturing anything?

20:43:25 ThickAsThieves: and

20:43:28 usagi: Again: Who gives a shit? TAT is doing well

20:43:36 ThickAsThieves: i own an mpex account

20:43:41 ThickAsThieves: as of yesterday

20:43:45 tiberiusii: usagi: the store has the stock in its possession.

20:43:45 ThickAsThieves: and will be moving all holdings there

20:43:53 dexX7: tiberiusii: how would one operate a pt? you have to sell shares in the "first round" anyway or would you wait, till someone wants to convert actual shares to pt-shares, so they get on the markett?

20:44:07 tiberiusii: he was selling a "pass thru" and not informing people of 3rd party exposure risk.

20:44:21 ThickAsThieves: did you read the asset contract?

20:44:40 tiberiusii: the one you recently modified?

20:44:41 tiberiusii: after you were called out on it

20:44:52 usagi: When Steve Jobs and Wozniak took their million dollar order for their apple computers they had no manufacturing capability and were running around like chickens with their heads cut off trying to get things done.

20:44:52 ThickAsThieves: BTCT contracts cannot be modified

20:44:56 usagi: Thats what it takes to be successful

20:45:08 tiberiusii: usagi and im not surprised a shady/scammer like yourself with a questionable history is standing by thickasthieves

20:45:16 ThickAsThieves: and you will see the BTCT one matches the others

20:45:19 usagi: I don't have a questionable history

20:45:24 tiberiusii: usagi you are a loser. go back to selling "silver" on bitcoin exchanges.

20:45:30 tiberiusii: usagi yes you do, you are a joke. shutup

20:45:33 dexX7: what is your accusation? that he doesn't use mpex?

20:45:39 usagi: Probably. lol

20:45:40 Rulother_: sigh

20:45:47 ThickAsThieves: tib you are usually much better than this

20:45:50 ThickAsThieves: try harder plz

20:46:15 tiberiusii: dexX7: he did not have a direct access to the shares, they were held in a 3rd party account that ANYONE can use.

20:46:18 tiberiusii: CoinBR. and hes simply trying to make a few pennies for himself by flipping them

20:46:21 ThickAsThieves: i didnt unignore you for lackluster entertainment

20:46:35 tiberiusii: meanwhile not telling anyone of the exposure

20:46:44 ThickAsThieves: it's in the contract

20:46:59 ThickAsThieves: read it

20:47:02 tiberiusii: thickasthieves is another lamer like chaang noi, these idiots follow any trend they can to try and skim a few dollars for thsemslves

20:47:14 ThickAsThieves: you have no clue what I am

20:47:29 tiberiusii: a loser? look what you are doing for income.

20:47:29 tiberiusii: riding the coat tails

20:47:41 thestringpuller: tiberius the third (LUPIN THE THIRD)

20:47:42 ThickAsThieves: what are you doing exactly?

20:47:45 tiberiusii: do something original man and at least be honest where you get the shares from.

20:47:50 tiberiusii: you didnt even have an account on mpx until today

20:47:51 Apocaly: did some asset issuers pulled out after the pirate news ?

20:48:06 ThickAsThieves: dude, srsly did you read the text?

20:48:08 ThickAsThieves: at all?

20:48:15 Rulother_: Seriously Tiber why do you bother coming in here?

20:48:18 dexX7: yeah well, but anyone could buy the underlying asset anyway, so this "that anyone can use" argument is kinda invalid as it comes to passthroughs?

20:48:18 usagi: tat seriously the guy is a nutjob, there's no point

20:48:36 thestringpuller: usagi look at you coming out of nowhere

20:48:38 thestringpuller: we need to speak

20:48:46 usagi: Sure

20:48:50 ThickAsThieves: i know, but usually his comments are grounded in reality at least

20:48:55 ThickAsThieves: dont usually see outright lies

20:48:56 tiberiusii: https://btct.co/security/TAT.ASICMINER

20:49:00 ozbot: BTC-TC: BTC Trading Corp - View Security

20:49:01 usagi: Oh really.

20:49:09 usagi: Well, I don't hang out here that much I guess lol

20:49:15 tiberiusii: thickasthieves: can you point to where 3rd party/coinBr is mentioned?

20:49:18 tiberiusii: maybe im blind

20:49:22 ThickAsThieves: lol

20:49:26 ThickAsThieves: are you retarded

20:49:26 dexX7: wrong asset

20:50:16 tiberiusii: https://btct.co/security/TAT.MINIGAME

20:50:17 ozbot: BTC-TC: BTC Trading Corp - View Security

20:50:19 tiberiusii: yes i see it thickasthieves

20:50:25 Duffer1: wait tib what's your beef with chaang?

20:50:30 ThickAsThieves: there ya go

20:50:43 Apocaly: he's a goat

20:50:45 dexX7: lol

20:50:45 dexX7: Each share of TAT.MINIGAME represents 1 share held of the underlying S.MG asset. Underlying shares are held within TAT Investments’ CoinBr MPEx Brokerage account.

20:50:48 Duffer1: ha

20:50:51 Apocaly: :)

20:50:57 tiberiusii: Duffer1: chaang noi was a particpant in the pireate40 pump and dump. he was running a pass thru

20:51:14 tiberiusii: collecting funds for an ongoing fraudulent scam

20:51:36 Duffer1: are you saying he knew it was a scam?

20:51:57 tiberiusii: um anyone with elementary math knowledge knew it was a scam, 7% a week payable in bitcoin is impossible.

20:52:04 tiberiusii: since there wasnt even enough bitcoins in circulation to do that

20:52:08 ThickAsThieves: okay i'm gonna put you back on ignore now, feel free to have someone ping me if you ever wanna have a big-boy conversation

20:52:27 tiberiusii: thickasthieves good for you, you are still dumb. go back to flipping shares for pennies pal

20:53:30 thestringpuller: tiberiusii: isn't tiberius the emperor of rome who lost the empire?

20:53:35 tiberiusii: Duffer1: being extremely dumb is not an excuse for criminal behavior

20:54:05 tiberiusii: chaang noi wanted to make a quick $ for himself by running a pass thru and defending pirate40 publicly

20:54:13 Stardust: tiberiusii, or maybe he knew, so what

20:54:17 tiberiusii: over and over, along with theymos

20:54:31 Stardust: business as usual in finance

20:54:52 tiberiusii: chang noi and theymos gave credibility to pirate40

20:54:53 Stardust: you won't prevent yourself from making some grants if you screw some clients in between

20:55:15 Stardust: *if you have to

20:55:42 tiberiusii: stardust unfortunately for chaang noi he will probably be named in the criminal indictment coming up

20:56:04 dexX7: you call them scammers, i call them victims like the rest of pirateat40's "customers"

20:56:07 tiberiusii: id say its a coin flip

20:56:19 tiberiusii: he wasnt a victim. he was taking a portion of the 7% for himself

20:56:22 Stardust: dexX7, probably the truth is something between those two

20:56:30 dexX7: maybe

20:56:34 tiberiusii: to attract new clients into a passthru while at the same time dismissing anyone who pointed to the obvious scam

20:56:50 Stardust: the only relevant thing is how the US justice will rule on that

20:56:59 tiberiusii: how dumb did you have to be to believe 7% compound a week is possible in a limited supply asset like bitcoin?

20:57:10 Stardust: pretty dumb tiberiusii i agree

20:57:55 tiberiusii: chang noi will still argue the mathematical possibility of it being legit

20:57:56 tiberiusii: lol/

20:58:11 tiberiusii: he was stating how it wasnt proven to be a scam. i mean come on

20:58:43 dexX7: do you say he knew it was a scam?

20:58:52 dexX7: and still promoted the pt?

20:59:08 tiberiusii: well is he mentally retarded?

20:59:13 dexX7: this would be a huge allegation

20:59:14 Duffer1: that's not proof though

20:59:22 tiberiusii: pirate40 would had to obtain 50,000 btc a week

20:59:38 tiberiusii: at some point hed have all the BTC that exist lol

21:00:01 tiberiusii: dexX7 its not an allegation he was running a feeder fund for a ponzi scheme its documented FACT

21:00:20 tiberiusii: he was also defending pirate40 in various public venues over and over

21:00:41 tiberiusii: he also claimed yesterday that the 7% weekly was possible since he himself could earn 1% a day of bitcoins

21:00:45 tiberiusii: its in the channel logs

21:01:40 Duffer1: isn't he technically correct?

21:01:59 tiberiusii: um no he isnt. its impossible to earn 7% paid in BTC on huge balances a week over and over

21:01:59 dexX7: ^yes

21:01:59 dexX7: moar

21:02:31 tiberiusii: Duffer1 are you now defending known fraudsters? are you participating in schemes youd like to share?

21:02:35 dexX7: tiberiusii: he may have operated a passthrough, but claim more than that

21:02:51 tiberiusii: the funny part is the defenders of known schemes tend to be running scams themselves

21:02:54 tiberiusii: ie usagi

21:03:03 tiberiusii: very shady past

21:03:16 tiberiusii: dexX7 shutup.

21:03:18 dexX7: lol

21:03:22 Duffer1: of course I'm not defending fraud

21:03:29 tiberiusii: Duffer1 you seem to be

21:03:43 tiberiusii: care to share the scams you are trying to promote?

21:03:44 Duffer1: you're saying he screwed people, I'm asking you to prove he wasn't also screwed

21:04:12 tiberiusii: so one criminal screws another and that makes the latter innocent of being a crook?

21:04:24 tiberiusii: who cares if he got scrwed himself, he deserved it

21:04:43 tiberiusii: he was defending a criminal enterprise and promoting its operation

21:05:23 Duffer1: prove he knew it was criminal

21:05:25 tiberiusii: your logic is thats perfectly fine because he got burned himself.

21:05:47 tiberiusii: i dont have to prove anything. he was actively promoting a fraud while ignoring OBVIOUS signs and warnings for personal gain

21:05:49 dexX7: tiberiusii: what is your intention anyway? what do you like to accomplish with your talk?

21:06:05 tiberiusii: dexX7 what scam are you currently involved in?

21:06:23 tiberiusii: along with Duffer1

21:06:27 Duffer1: chill man, we're asking for evidence, nothing more

21:06:53 Duffer1: of course the whole deal reeked of scam

21:06:53 tiberiusii: listen chump, the evidence is all over the public venues. go dig it up yourself.

21:06:56 Scrat: pic related http://1-media-cdn.foolz.us/ffuuka/board/a/image/1356/24/1356243087161.png

21:07:23 tiberiusii: chaang noi was defending and encouraging participation into a ponzi scheme. criminal ignorance is NOT a valid defense

21:07:34 dexX7: why would you think i'm involved in any scam?

21:07:47 ThickAsThieves: this is something i have never been able to truly understand, trolling

21:07:55 ThickAsThieves: like i can see generally messing with people

21:08:04 tiberiusii: ThickasThieves you are generally a low life too

21:08:09 ThickAsThieves: but real trolling just doesnt register in my head

21:08:22 tiberiusii: waiting around for someone clever to create something you can ride the coat tails and trend of

21:08:32 tiberiusii: selling shares of scam companies like ministry of games

21:09:01 ThickAsThieves: can a person be that broken to enjoy themselves in this manner?

21:09:09 ThickAsThieves: it's weird

21:09:09 tiberiusii: i wouldnt be surprised in 1-2 years when mircea popescu is being charged for operating an illegal boiler room

21:09:13 tiberiusii: that thickasthieves is in the same boat as chaang noi today

21:09:39 tiberiusii: for actively promoting the sale of junk securities

21:10:04 jcpham: tiberiusii let's run a scam together you and me

21:10:07 sky_king: tiberiousii do you have anything positive to say about anything?

21:10:09 jcpham: i have all sorts of trust

21:10:10 dexX7: i'm in

21:10:14 dexX7: let's start an asic company

21:10:22 jcpham: we can probably steal it all

21:10:26 jcpham: all the litecoins

21:10:58 jcpham: aww yeah asic company should be easy enough

21:11:04 jcpham: some pics on ready and a preorder page

21:11:06 tiberiusii: sky_king: why should i be "positive" about ongoing scams in this channel?

21:11:12 ThickAsThieves: an ltc asic scam is overdue

21:11:13 jcpham: 2 week lead out on shipping

21:11:30 jcpham: *ready = reddit

21:11:33 dexX7: :D

21:11:42 jcpham: litecoins ASIC is coming ThickAsThieves :)

21:11:47 jcpham: i've seen the prototypes

21:11:55 ThickAsThieves: shut up and take my money

21:12:06 jcpham: each one has 128GB of RAM

21:12:09 sky_king: tiberiusii not asking you to change your mind about scams, but if you want me to listen, I like to see an alternative.

21:13:44 tiberiusii: sky_king: who the fuck said i wanted some dumbass to listen? you a small time piker go back to your corner.

21:14:30 Duffer1: go outside and take some deep breaths man

21:14:35 dexX7: <dexX7> tiberiusii: what is your intention anyway? what do you like to accomplish with your talk?

21:14:49 sky_king: tiberiusii - you typed your message in a public channel. if you didn't want everyone to listen you would have pm mircea popescu

21:21:25 Stardust: tiberiusii, well the usagi part is well known

21:21:42 Stardust: even MP calls him a lolcow

21:21:44 usagi: Not at all.

21:22:03 usagi: MP thinks I worked for nefario and was a GLBSE board member

21:23:10 usagi: CPA was attacked because it was going to chase down the scammers when GLBSE failed. We got ripped off for a lot of money by peole like ian bakewell and bitcoinoz who heavily contributed to the trolling in order to avoid paying us what we were owed

21:23:20 usagi: We were lucky to get back the BitVPS shares from brendio

21:23:24 jcpham: what is a piker

21:25:43 sky_king: jcpham piker is a person that makes small bets - which in my case is true.

21:25:47 sky_king: I am a piker

21:26:15 usagi: there's nothing wrong with that

21:27:02 Duffer1: gotta start somewhere

21:27:04 sky_king: I've helped people for free often enough that I've been called a saint more than once.

21:27:37 sky_king: and a faith healer

21:27:54 tiberiusii: usagi is an idiot, hes some broke bum storing silver coins in a basement.

21:27:55 sky_king: I won't deny any of these names.

21:28:15 tiberiusii: usagi you are a liar, fraud and you accuse people of various things. as i said please go away

21:28:23 usagi: tiberius; Mark my words

21:28:33 usagi: tiberius; I have evidence

21:28:52 tiberiusii: jcpham: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/piker

21:30:37 tiberiusii: usagi: there is countless threads of your shady behavior all over the forum

21:30:52 tiberiusii: your always trying to sell something, borrow bitcoins etc.

21:31:32 sky_king: seriously, tiberiousii say something nice. Maybe about Mother Theresa. You like her don't you?

21:31:51 mircea_popescu: i don't like mother theresa. first she never had kids

21:31:58 mircea_popescu: second she never showed her tits.

21:31:59 tiberiusii: sky_king: pikers not allowed to have an opinion.

21:32:01 mircea_popescu: what a wasted life.

21:32:15 tiberiusii: lol the pervert boiler room operator gypsy strolls in

21:32:30 tiberiusii: with the fake name popescu which is like a smith in romania

21:41:47 tiberiusii: so does anyone know if bitinstant is finished?

21:42:10 tibertroll: tiberiusii , I blew a huge load on your moms ass last night

21:42:48 tibertroll: Then your granny

21:43:09 tibertroll: I teabagged her after

21:43:12 kakobrekla: no love for daddy?

21:43:15 tiberiusii: get some more amusing material

21:43:16 Stardust: heh

21:43:27 tiberiusii: come up with more amusing comments pls

21:43:28 tibertroll: I had dad lick my asshole

21:43:45 tibertroll: they said Tiberius is a dissapointment

21:44:31 tibertroll: All he knows how to do is suck balls and troll

21:44:40 tibertroll: he is no good at either, I can tell you

21:47:33 tibertroll: tiberiusii , so I heard you went to comic-con and paid for some nerds to dress up like Star Trek and ass rape you

21:47:53 rulother-gs: Damn

21:48:03 dexX7: ^ hahaha

21:48:04 tibertroll: spock blew a load of green jizz in your mouth

21:48:12 rulother-gs: :/

21:48:17 dexX7: "it's him again", right? ^^

21:48:17 tibertroll: it is on youtube

21:48:21 rulother-gs: Poor spock

21:49:23 tibertroll: you wanted a reach around and Kirk told you to fuck off

21:49:32 tibertroll: now you are angry and troll

21:49:54 tiberiusii: yea

21:50:09 tiberiusii: you got it right

21:50:59 mircea_popescu: i need a degree in cryptography just to comprehend wtf people are talking about in this chan anymore

22:12:40 dub: you know you're looking at a winning corporate culture when they guy telling a largish audience that 15% will lose thier jobs gets applause at the end on it

22:12:56 rulother-gs: Who?

22:14:45 ThickAsThieves: mp, is this a meme yet? http://chinezu.eu/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/gizeh_pyramids.jpg

22:14:59 ThickAsThieves: someone shared it in the forums

22:15:17 ThickAsThieves: needs some photochopping to place you in diff situations

22:15:33 Apocalyptic: heh, horrible suit btw

22:16:34 mircea_popescu: dub sounds great.

22:16:38 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves it is in romania yeah

22:16:48 mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic what's wrong with it ?

22:17:35 Apocalyptic: it just doesn't fit you well i find, kinda too large

22:17:59 mircea_popescu: i never went for that entire tight thing.

22:18:02 mircea_popescu: im a skinny fuck.

22:18:41 dub: yah, an organisation where analingus is most valuable competency is going places

22:18:41 ThickAsThieves: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/26/science/false-memory-planted-in-a-mouse-brain-study-shows.html?smid=tw-share&_r=0

22:18:44 mircea_popescu: anyway, i took that suit from horseback riding in the sands of the sahara to horseback riding on central america's volcanoes. it actually held up like a champ.

22:19:00 mircea_popescu: dub don't underestimate the power of obedience.

22:19:07 mircea_popescu: it's much more powerful than self-entitledness.

22:19:12 ThickAsThieves: you kinda look like a rabbi in it, for some reason

22:19:32 mircea_popescu: probably because of the beard.

22:22:02 ThickAsThieves: MPOE-PR is trying to tell you something "You need better research, seriously now. (Yes there's a massive volume of wrong stuff in your post, I'm just picking a couple cause I'm not getting paid enough for the whole thing.)"

22:22:39 ThickAsThieves: pay the woman!

22:25:26 tiberiusii: mircea's suit is straight out of a walmart catalogue

22:26:06 tibertroll: tieriusvii , I just finished taking my shit, be a good bitch and come wipe my ass

22:26:50 dexX7: A day later, in a completely different environment, the researchers delivered an electric shock to the mice at the same time that they stimulated the previously identified brain cells to trigger the earlier memory. << kinda clever clever >_<

22:27:42 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves lol she has been on a roll on teh forum

22:28:39 mircea_popescu: lmao. "https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=261235.160 i guess that has meanwhile turned into a MP fascination thread"

22:29:03 mircea_popescu: i guess im a very successful photobloggar.