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00:00:11 mircea_popescu: kinda what guilds are invented for no ?

00:00:16 nubbins`: sounds fun

00:00:16 mircea_popescu: or slavegirls i guess

00:00:48 DreadKnight: 5vs5 sucks; you can't play with anyone on the globe because of latency, you can't play with friends because they're noobs for sure, it's harder than having a band and you are stuck in a chair all day without making any money

00:01:22 nubbins`: harder than having a band

00:01:22 nubbins`: lel

00:01:32 DreadKnight: sometimes the matches are over before they even begin, all picking a carry instead of getting proper roles, or randoming and getting heroes they know what to do with

00:01:58 mircea_popescu: what's a carry ?

00:02:04 DreadKnight: or simply bad combinations, 4 melee plus yet another melee called void

00:02:12 nubbins`: ;;google hey steve i think your singing was a little flat that time

00:02:13 gribble: the Dollhouse - Steve, I think your singing was a little flat - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmBMvSf2BOY; Lagwagon- Leave The Light On 03. - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6CQF8kQtaA; Welcome To The Dollhouse Script - Drew's Script-O-Rama: http://www.script-o-rama.com/movie_scripts/w/welcome-to-the-dollhouse-script.html

00:02:20 nubbins`: ^ first link

00:02:29 DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, carry is the "Rambo" of the game, the one dealing damage but very item Dependant and squishy

00:02:56 HeySteve: ha funnily enough, I do sing kinda flat. tried a few bands but never became a rockstar

00:03:01 mircea_popescu: nubbins` lol who's that obnoxious mcdonalds manger

00:03:06 nubbins`: heheh

00:03:10 nubbins`: strange movie, worth watching

00:03:11 DreadKnight: so everyone wants the kills, but you can't have 5 carries in a team, no doubt, because there's not enough farm / gold, mircea_popescu

00:03:30 nubbins`: HeySteve :0

00:03:55 DreadKnight: and there's the team mate that always does nothing but steals your kills on purpose, just because, him being support and you being a carry

00:04:13 HeySteve: nubbins, this looks like napoleon dynamite kinda movie

00:04:18 DreadKnight: most shitty game designed every, yet it's an esport

00:04:24 nubbins`: awkward kids in middle america

00:04:26 DreadKnight: ever*

00:04:45 nubbins`: about the same, yeah, just filmed in the 80s instead of pretending it was ;D

00:04:56 cazalla: does dota have ranked/unranked matches like lol?

00:05:02 HeySteve: looks funny, nubbins?

00:05:06 nubbins`: girl's name is Dawn Weiner, classic tragedy

00:05:07 DreadKnight: cazalla, yes

00:05:11 nubbins`: HeySteveyeah

00:05:56 mircea_popescu: DreadKnight o i think i tried something like this at one time, ragnarsomething

00:06:09 DreadKnight: nubbins`, thanks for recommendation, looks fun

00:06:17 nubbins`: np

00:06:34 DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, maybe Ragnarok Online? not sure if it's a moba

00:06:38 nubbins`: lel. customer wants "keep calm logo, like on the chive shirts"

00:07:06 nubbins`: so i create "keep calm and <verb related to business> on", complete with royal crown

00:07:12 DreadKnight: and there's the situation where a noob from your team auto attacks instead of last hitting only or last hitting your creeps away from you when you're carry and he's support *sigh*

00:07:13 mircea_popescu: Heroes of Newerth it was.

00:07:15 nubbins`: guy says "i didn't think it had a crown on the top"

00:07:19 nubbins`: facedesk

00:07:54 DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, yeah, played that one as well, I was a moba junkie, it was part of the experience and motivation when designing Ancient Beast

00:07:54 nubbins`: guys, this game you're talking about sounds v complicated and nothing at all like mario kart 8

00:08:02 DreadKnight: true

00:08:36 cazalla: mk8 handles latency really well from what i've played of it online

00:08:43 DreadKnight: showed a teenage girl Angry Birds, she was like "please uninstall", showed her Super Tux Kart, "woah, this is fun!"

00:08:54 nubbins`: cazalla +1

00:09:14 mircea_popescu: DreadKnight methinks you're showing teenage girls the wrong things.

00:09:14 nubbins`: they do hide rankings for a few seconds before you cross the finish line, just in case

00:09:29 DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, she had the cd with Angry Birds, I hate that game

00:09:33 nubbins`: mircea_popescu "please uninstall" ;(

00:09:40 cazalla: nubbins`, i've only been given a lower ranking than i expected a few times with that

00:10:02 nubbins`: cazalla it's pretty much only for the closest of calls

00:10:14 nubbins`: online mode is where true skill is acquired

00:10:24 nubbins`: i've only started recently, got my cups first

00:10:26 cazalla: yeah, i just passed 6000

00:10:42 nubbins`: i just broke 2000, but still gaining ground

00:11:10 DreadKnight: MMR system is fun when you don't have to rely on team mates

00:11:40 nubbins`: https://twitter.com/coinbase/status/492347634682576896

00:12:20 mircea_popescu: !s alienware

00:12:20 assbot: 6 results for 'alienware' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=alienware

00:13:12 BingoBoingo: Only recent dell hardware I've been impressed with were those Latitude netbooks they made for a while

00:13:22 cazalla: mircea_popescu, these twistys links never work for me, prob not a big deal seeing it's been all nigger dick images past few days

00:13:32 DreadKnight: haha

00:13:35 mircea_popescu: cazalla no you're missing out.

00:13:53 assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/204B6FZ.txt )

00:13:53 BingoBoingo: !b 3

00:13:54 mircea_popescu: hot lezzie sexes.

00:15:22 DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, did some friend recommended Heroes of Newerth? how long did you played it? why quit?

00:15:27 mircea_popescu: so today alone 143 different .ru domains supposedly sent people to fraudsters.

00:15:38 mircea_popescu: "traffic" is becoming less and less meaningful

00:16:27 mircea_popescu: DreadKnight i play lots of things to try them out. i quit because i can't stand the model. too much like [lowly paid] work.

00:16:30 DreadKnight: there's something going on with Russia lately, because number one source of visitors for my project all of a sudden; dota2 servers are filled with russians, they're very hated

00:16:40 mircea_popescu: if i wanted to spend my time doing that sort of shit i

00:16:47 mircea_popescu: 'd prolly take a 3rd world programmer job.

00:17:54 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: deterministic web game for btc is a non starter << this deserves an explanation

00:17:54 DreadKnight: a lot of people don't really like Heroes of Newerth's artwork, too detailed, yet your character is small

00:18:13 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but the explanation is i nthe log, which part didn;'t make sense ?

00:18:31 mircea_popescu: DreadKnight i don't like the "learn this succession of small movements" part.

00:18:54 DreadKnight: asciilifeform, I think he was afraid of players doing the same things over and over again, or picking only the best units

00:19:06 DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, every played battletoads? xD

00:19:08 DreadKnight: ever*

00:19:27 mircea_popescu: DreadKnight no. consider the supermodel of all player strategy games, btc.waroflife.com/

00:19:36 *: asciilifeform reads

00:20:05 mircea_popescu: if the final state of the game flows deterministically from the state at any point, there's nothing for a human to do.

00:20:19 DreadKnight: true

00:20:43 DreadKnight: moba is too much about lane pushing and farming

00:21:30 DreadKnight: and roles like jungler or support are usually super boring

00:21:44 DreadKnight: but support is pretty mandatory, which is not cool

00:21:49 mircea_popescu: battletoads << no, never have.

00:22:33 DreadKnight: roger

00:26:34 mircea_popescu: !up prototype

00:36:14 danielpbarron: DreadKnight, i play dota

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00:40:01 DreadKnight: danielpbarron, first or second one?

00:41:04 BingoBoingo: Maybe aspects of ohio aren't so bad http://deadspin.com/hazing-investigation-ohio-state-band-members-are-horny-1610311478

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00:55:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7500 @ 0.00081487 = 6.1115 BTC [-]

00:55:12 BingoBoingo: Lulzmining https://vertcoin.org/pow-algorithm-upgrade-lyra2/

00:55:12 assbot: Vertcoin – Bitcoin Upgraded » PoW Algorithm Upgrade : Lyra2

00:55:42 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla http://bitbet.us/bet/951/silk-road-coin-auction-extravaganza/#c3560 now you';ve done it.

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00:55:56 asciilifeform: 'comes as a preemptive strike against ASICs' << this shit never gets old, does it

00:56:27 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how could it ?

00:56:56 BingoBoingo: http://www.theonion.com/articles/elderly-man-cant-wait-for-senility-to-erase-lifeti,36419/

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00:57:10 mircea_popescu: "Vertcoin has always been and will continue to be the leader in decentralization of cryptocurrency."

00:57:37 kakobrekla: :(

00:57:48 BingoBoingo: Hard to decentralize mining when few people want to work the turd mines

00:58:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 52 @ 0.01480916 = 0.7701 BTC [+] {4}

00:58:25 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: because actual solution (whether problem ought to be solved is a matter of concern to - other people...) was posted. free for the taking - http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-03-2014#590930 - but anyone lifted it? nope

00:58:25 assbot: #bitcoin-assets log

00:59:32 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform let's laugh together. on one hand it's you saying that, one minute under some derp going in the bitbet comments section to say that since ThickAsThieves posted something here about a topic of interest, and magicaltux also hung out on irc, it follows that bitbet is bad.

01:00:07 mircea_popescu: now... what part of "the people are more stupid than can be put into words" needs putting into words ?

01:00:09 mircea_popescu: !up Guest52945

01:00:12 asciilifeform: socrates, a man. men sometimes eat shit. socrates eats shit.

01:00:15 mircea_popescu: !up guest8653

01:00:38 asciilifeform: bulletproof logic

01:01:47 mircea_popescu: the shit can never get old. "here's what i want, here's what's to be done, here's me not doing it". how would this ever get old.

01:04:25 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: imho it's a far worse thing when they - do - it.

01:04:45 mircea_popescu: well they don't do it. they do something that's "just as good".

01:04:53 mircea_popescu: according to X.

01:05:49 mircea_popescu: but anyway, forget the bitter me. let's refine your automata idea a little.

01:06:43 asciilifeform: gedankenexperiment. idea was, automata - and difficulty determined by size of playing field. preferably exponential growth.

01:06:50 mircea_popescu: suppose pow is, "find a 1mbit value which xored with your block results in a wol-like table which playing for 32 generations results in a table identical to the table of the block as is"

01:07:05 asciilifeform: more or less, this.

01:07:06 mircea_popescu: would you say this is an acceptable implementation ?

01:07:10 asciilifeform: aye

01:07:27 mircea_popescu: now, imbit = 128kb, which should be enough for the blocks originally.

01:07:41 mircea_popescu: suppose you double this every 200k blocks, much like how bitcoin halves reward.

01:08:05 mircea_popescu: except you don't have reward, you just increase 4fold the size of the field.

01:08:18 mircea_popescu: and implicitly the size of the block.

01:08:58 asciilifeform: actually you can weasel out of inflating block size, by using a hash of your favourite flavour to populate the field.

01:09:00 mircea_popescu: and of course the 32 can be adjusted as "difficulty"

01:09:06 mircea_popescu: ie, make it 4576957698475 generations if need be

01:09:20 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dont wanna weasel out of inflating block size i dont think

01:09:57 mircea_popescu: i actually kinda want this built, if there's any hardcore c programmer looking for a major project.

01:10:15 *: asciilifeform leads people into perdition

01:11:25 mircea_popescu: this still needs better chaining than what bitcoin's doing.

01:11:48 asciilifeform: the folks looking to somehow 'vanish' the asic thing will be disappointed, though.

01:12:13 mircea_popescu: obviously anything that can be made can be made in silicon

01:12:42 asciilifeform: but the concept outlined here would provide something close to the theoretical maximum of annoyance to mining asic builders.

01:12:56 asciilifeform: the question of whether this needs doing, i'll leave to the folks who give a damn.

01:12:57 mircea_popescu: in particular because of the block increase

01:13:10 mircea_popescu: ie, either you make waseful asics or else you keep changing them every 200k blocks

01:13:15 asciilifeform: 'once the rockets go up, who cares where they come down. that's not my department, said wehrner von braun.'

01:14:16 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what would you wish to see improved in chaining?

01:14:34 mircea_popescu: a way to make retaining blocks spurious.

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01:14:38 assbot: Ten Things I Learned from the Dogecoin Community | The Biohazard

01:15:21 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: make retaining blocks spurious << i thought this was solved, at least in principle, with 'checkpointing'

01:15:40 mircea_popescu: checkpointing is evil tho.

01:16:02 mircea_popescu: one of the most important vulnerabilities extant in bitcoin as is.

01:16:03 asciilifeform: every so often, a 'year zero', and the chain is replaced with a hash of its state. anyone who wants the history, goes to an archive.

01:16:33 mircea_popescu: honestly i don't think i actualy understand what i want re chaining

01:17:15 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: either we keep every pissant transaction around, or we snip. tertium non datur, as i understand.

01:17:26 mircea_popescu: but why.

01:19:39 DreadKnight: asciilifeform, year zero will cut off confirmation for new transactions, but I would want for the downloaded stuff to not be 10gb; there are wallets that skip that stuff nowadays, though not recommended in certain cases

01:19:40 asciilifeform: incidentally, the 'we want an0nym1ty!!1' folks could be satisfied - use paillier's arithmetic to represent balances. so you need private key to know the state of an address.

01:19:58 mircea_popescu: that is a good part yes.

01:20:18 asciilifeform: again, why to do this, remains a mystery to me. but people seem to really want it, and could in principle do it this way.

01:20:31 mircea_popescu: yes indeed, there's at least two items for the bitcoin v2.0 : the wol pow detailed above and the p-airthm balance

01:21:04 asciilifeform: another, perhaps obvious temptation is to bake in the wot.

01:21:23 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's a bad idea. baking in gpg however would be splendid.

01:21:26 asciilifeform: again, as a certified armchair general, i've no idea whether this is actually necessary.

01:21:34 mircea_popescu: suppose that anyone can generate txn using gpg, much like mpex works.

01:21:43 mircea_popescu: as long as your address is known, you're g2g.

01:22:16 mircea_popescu: sort-of where i was seeing the "b-a public registrar" project that nobody wants to do going, in step 2.

01:22:18 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you're willing to ditch ecdsa and use traditional rsa, and eat the cost of longer keys, this is trivial.

01:22:30 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform one can use w/e key he wants.

01:22:35 mircea_popescu: modularity is teh win

01:22:57 mircea_popescu: anyway the hash daisychanin satoshi used was moar like a joke than srs.

01:24:17 mircea_popescu: also, need much better hidding of the traffix it generates.

01:24:34 mircea_popescu: in principle one shouldn't be able to spot a b2.0 node on the network.

01:24:37 *: asciilifeform reminds listeners that he's a rather busy fellow and that they also have hands, and can do all of the above.

01:25:03 mircea_popescu: anyway, gonna have some cake, bbl.

01:27:42 BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats

01:27:44 gribble: Current Blocks: 312339 | Current Difficulty: 1.733631697850783E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 312479 | Next Difficulty In: 140 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 23 hours, 29 minutes, and 47 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 18666668357.3 | Estimated Percent Change: 7.67378

01:28:55 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: one shouldn't be able to spot a b2.0 node on the network << in that traffic should resemble a traditional bitcoin node? or simply point to point encryption?

01:29:28 asciilifeform: because in the latter case, two nodes must know something about one another, or mitm is trivial.

01:31:22 BingoBoingo: !up HANDSofSTEEL

01:32:30 DreadKnight: this IRC channel works so much better than Bitcoin Business Alliance's skype group

01:33:29 BingoBoingo: DreadKnight: Amazing how often older technologies work better than "advances" that would pretent to replace them isn't it

01:33:58 DreadKnight: well, skype is just designed with something else in mind, that's for sure :D

01:34:36 DreadKnight: but thanks to the BBA group, I log into skype once a month tops, very annoying

01:35:59 BingoBoingo: Well, the downside of skype is it forces you to interact with it through the interface it chooses, among other flaws. IRC though... You can pick a client and if it ends up being shit simply switch

01:36:48 DreadKnight: yeah, very true, screw closed protocols

01:43:32 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform traffic should resemble people exchanging gpg messages maybe ?

01:43:33 mircea_popescu: nfi.

01:44:14 mircea_popescu: DreadKnight there's a reason pros use particular tools rather than any other tools.

01:45:10 mircea_popescu: i think naggum was it had a rant on the topic.

01:45:35 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform had a rant or several as well

01:52:51 decimation: another theory of mh17 occured to me the other day: while it seems to be detrimental to the rebel's cause, in the bigger calcuation it might actually help them quite a bit

01:53:14 decimation: every human on earth now knows that russia is ready and willing to shoot anything down in that area

01:53:22 mircea_popescu: no rebel ever lost anything through causing trouble.

01:53:34 decimation: which euro nation wants to be the first one to try to start a "no-fly" zone ala iraq?

01:54:06 mircea_popescu: it seems improbable russia shot down the thing.

01:54:20 cazalla: DreadKnight, most of your complaints regarding mobas are tied to low tier, bronze league superstars, you don't see it in higher brackets which is why it's an esport and a good one at that

01:54:58 decimation: I think it is unlikely that it was explictly ordered, but I read another news story that the 'rebels' shot down some more ukranian fighter jets

01:55:07 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> it seems improbable russia shot down the thing. << I'm waiting for the investigation to reveal a la TWA 800 that the plane was doomed when it took off

01:55:37 decimation: weak-knee western military policy 101: start a no-fly zone

01:55:59 BingoBoingo: But in spite of the criticisms the Su-25 ground attack plane shooting it down is probably more feasible than it gets credit for.

01:56:21 mircea_popescu: decimation that's not happening.

01:56:38 decimation: right, because every last voter realizes exactly the kind of risk that would entail

01:56:49 decimation: a no-fly zone would start a major air battle

01:56:58 mircea_popescu: no it wouldn't.

01:57:19 mircea_popescu: a no fly zone would allow the russian airforce to showcase it's unmatched superiority by making short work of everything else.

01:58:01 mircea_popescu: if it were 1980s the republicans would have been all in favour, because nothing's better for public contracts than a humiliating, public defeat.

01:58:16 decimation: well, in any case russia isn't going to stand for foriegn aircraft patroling its border, and the world knows it will "arm its proxies" or whatever to make it happen

01:58:18 mircea_popescu: the thing is... the country can't pay anyway, so there's not much pork to be had out of "we need better new planes"

01:58:46 DreadKnight: cazalla, yeah, but to get high mmr, you have to play with non retards, very wise hand picked people, takes time; and you need to either sync in time tables or to have a lot of such people at your disposal, it's a chore to have a proper team

01:59:03 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu> the thing is... the country can't pay anyway, so there's not much pork to be had out of "we need better new planes" >> Not to mention the US is the the business now of buying worse planes

02:00:01 mircea_popescu: btw, anyone knows the famous case of gerald ratner ?

02:01:12 decimation: heh I just read about it on wikipedia

02:01:14 thestringpuller: ;;ticker

02:01:15 cazalla: DreadKnight, so message the good players you pug with and put something together

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02:01:26 decimation: are you comparing him to this situation?

02:01:42 DreadKnight: cazalla, it's not as easy as it sounds

02:02:30 mircea_popescu: decimation in no sense.

02:02:43 mircea_popescu: merely a random thought

02:02:45 DreadKnight: cazalla, takes a few years to have a proper list of players, that's if you really care about it, remove noobs constantly

02:03:09 DreadKnight: and even ignore real friendships

02:03:26 cazalla: worked for me in lol

02:03:28 DreadKnight: you also need synergy

02:03:37 decimation: when your business model is selling baubles to idiots, it's probably not wise to point out the idiocy of bauble-buying

02:03:55 cazalla: DreadKnight, maybe you're just a scrub player? no offense

02:04:03 DreadKnight: lol doesn't have denying, no scrolls, no curiers, simpler mechanics cazalla

02:04:22 pigeons: dignork: yes dogeparty is just counterparty on doge, but like i said, much more useful than ethereum

02:04:34 mircea_popescu: decimation the funny thing about the incident is that everyone happily ignored the "your business part" and took it as gospel. "the importance of brand over quality"

02:04:38 DreadKnight: cazalla, scrub player? haha

02:04:45 cazalla: DreadKnight, it does have the same idiots who kill steal, play wrong lane, afk etc etc

02:05:04 dignork: pigeons: hard to compare really, trash vs. garbage :)

02:05:08 cazalla: so you message the good ones, start playing together, build synergy, you won't start with it from game 1

02:05:35 DreadKnight: cazalla, it has less things to deal with, but yeah; I hate the account system, region limitation, runes and summoner spells needing levels, LoL requires purchase of champions, basically limits you to constantly play the same 2-3 champs most of the time

02:06:08 decimation: yeah for instance you could hang a sign above a gasoline station saying "Gasoline is dirty" and business would not change

02:07:13 mircea_popescu: ;;google "hello suckers"

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02:07:17 cazalla: DreadKnight, it doesn't require purchase of champs at all unless you're adhd and won't stick to one role

02:07:43 DreadKnight: cazalla, lost a lot of games in LoL while beating the whole enemy team by myself; all mobas basically have the same issues, but LoL has a few more on top of that

02:08:32 danielpbarron: DreadKnight, i used to play all-stars; now i play dota2

02:08:57 cazalla: you're gonna lose games, even the top players only have 2:1 win/loss ratios

02:09:55 DreadKnight: it's rare that I win a game because of another team mate; I usually get really annoyed and tell people what are doing wrong, but not many listen

02:10:36 DreadKnight: forgot to mention noob team mates getting shadow blade in dota2 while there's already an invis carry in the team; or picking multiple invisible heroes *sigh*

02:10:44 mircea_popescu: DreadKnight you're prolly not gonna be happy or even willing to hear this, but it sounds like the problem is you.

02:11:09 thestringpuller: have we really gone from talking about world news to LoL in all of 20 minutes?

02:11:36 DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, I'm not the problem, the game sets me up with weirdos most of the time and it's bad for my health; I don't always have semi decent team mates online to play with

02:11:42 danielpbarron: i have fun playing dota2; my brother plays, and a few of his friends

02:12:03 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller way it goes.

02:12:11 DreadKnight: it's fun as long as you got team or don't take it seriously / not play too often

02:12:30 DreadKnight: anyway, don't really care to debate mobas at this hour

02:12:37 danielpbarron: yeah; I don't play that often anymore

02:13:10 cazalla: DreadKnight, ragequit more

02:13:32 DreadKnight: cazalla, is that your solution? :))

02:13:55 cazalla: no, not caring to debate at this hour = ragequit

02:14:07 DreadKnight: thought it was advice

02:14:33 DreadKnight: no, just that some people around are not into mobas and feel like we're boring or offtopic, I respect not playing moba

02:14:34 BingoBoingo: My favorite part of Eve online is that anyone not explicitly an ally is a potential adversary.

02:15:04 danielpbarron: ;;

02:15:31 DreadKnight: started watching that Welcome to the Dollhouse movie someone recommended around xD

02:15:39 danielpbarron: ;;rate DreadKnight 1 plays dota2. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-07-2014#768204

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02:17:23 DreadKnight: might end up writing a moba do's and don'ts guide

02:21:03 decimation: "brand over quality" is also an artifact of the dillution of fiat ownership

02:21:22 mircea_popescu: DreadKnight got a blog ?

02:22:16 decimation: "Consumer price indexes show negligible price changes in non-normalized accounting, not only because they are fudged and rigged, but because prices are set by dollars competing for goods. Because American spenders have fewer and fewer normalized dollars to spend every year, normalized consumer prices are also dropping. " - Mr. moldbug

02:22:25 DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, used to, but got popular faster then I expected and hacked a few times without backup; might get back into writing soon, without using wordpress this time

02:23:33 mircea_popescu: wordpress is fine, i've used it for > 5 years without issue.

02:24:56 BingoBoingo: DreadKnight: Wordpress is fine if used with caution appropriate for an application of its kind.

02:25:12 DreadKnight: made my own little blog system, no users accounts or databases, using files instead, will put it to good use soon, mircea_popescu

02:25:24 mircea_popescu: or that.

02:25:45 decimation: statelessness has a quality all its own

02:25:47 DreadKnight: well, didn't knew much about security back then, wasn't protecting the log-in page too well against common stuff

02:27:52 mircea_popescu: well then. bruteforced shit pws aren't a hack.

02:27:54 mircea_popescu: !up lordbunson

02:28:10 mircea_popescu: DreadKnight also see http://fraudsters.com/2012/romanian-dicelist/

02:28:12 assbot: Romanian Dicelist pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

02:28:28 DreadKnight: true, but it would have been nice if wp had a timer to avoid that kind of abuse, mircea_popescu

02:28:59 DreadKnight: average user hears a lot of WP, but doesn't know about bruteforce and strong passwords

02:30:26 DreadKnight: got my own algorithm for strong passwords that are unique and that I can actually remember and type for a while now

02:30:48 DreadKnight: but parents don't want to share the ideology xD

02:30:54 mircea_popescu: homebrew crypto is often dangerous.

02:30:59 DreadKnight: I mean make use of it*

02:31:35 DreadKnight: nothing sucks more than typing a strong password on a touch screen device.

02:31:40 BingoBoingo: <DreadKnight> but parents don't want to share the ideology xD << Wait, how old are you?

02:32:16 DreadKnight: BingoBoingo, 27, but since I'm into tech, parents learned a bit from me, both are using linux for years now

02:32:16 BingoBoingo: !up darlidada

02:32:41 DreadKnight: I meant that they're not keen on complex / strong passwords

02:33:36 DreadKnight: seen a chart with most popular passwords... 123456 and password being top entries xD

02:33:41 mircea_popescu: "but parents don't want to share the ideology xD" <=> "i'm happy with it but i can't get my parents to use it themselves" ?

02:33:57 DreadKnight: http://splashdata.com/press/worstpasswords2013.htm

02:33:58 assbot: "Password" unseated by "123456" on SplashData’s annual "Worst Passwords" list

02:34:34 BingoBoingo: DreadKnight: Well, why are you giving your parents passwords to infrastructure?

02:35:30 DreadKnight: BingoBoingo, I didn't said their passwords

02:36:10 DreadKnight: just saying that a lot of non-tech / older people tend to use weak passwords

02:41:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32400 @ 0.00082018 = 26.5738 BTC [+] {2}

02:44:40 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: traffic should resemble people exchanging gpg messages maybe << this only works if two nodes have some 'wot' relationship.

02:44:46 nubbins`: hmm

02:44:49 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: otherwise trivial mitm.

02:45:01 nubbins`: just doing up the books for july, seems we have a mystery cash surplus of $666

02:45:02 nubbins`: :0

02:45:27 decimation: consider replacing irc with message passing

02:45:35 decimation: how do you coordinate who knows whom?

02:45:59 decimation: either a central server or a universal blockchain

02:46:03 asciilifeform: people tend to use weak passwords << this - and the famous experiment where a psychologist purchased office planktons' passwords with chocolate - is a fundamental result of people not giving a fuck. not a technical problem.

02:46:39 asciilifeform: obligatory:

02:46:42 asciilifeform: !s shall be delivered

02:46:43 assbot: 15 results for 'shall be delivered' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=shall+be+delivered

02:47:03 asciilifeform: when it turns into 'lose password and die' - some people will begin to give a fuck.

02:47:10 decimation: well, in that case the primary risk is the university's computer system

02:47:20 decimation: why should some freshman care about taxpayer assets?

02:47:28 mircea_popescu: nubbins`> just doing up the books for july, seems we have a mystery cash surplus of $666 << you have been clearly blessed. now if the lady's late...

02:48:01 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform gpg has built in key signing for this reason.

02:48:12 mircea_popescu: decimation ^

02:48:30 asciilifeform: how does key signing play into this ?

02:48:57 mircea_popescu: if presented with traffic from alleged key, i expect it to be signed by keys i already accepted.

02:49:22 asciilifeform: that's the basic 'wot' idea, yes.

02:49:26 mircea_popescu: also, people not giving a fuck is a major technical proble,

02:49:32 asciilifeform: what won't work is - any node out of the box can talk to any other.

02:49:39 mircea_popescu: the core reason for it is that the species must perpetuate. this hinges on women not really giving a fuck.

02:49:41 asciilifeform: in such a scenario, stego is useless

02:49:51 mircea_popescu: as women started giving a fuck, fertility melted away.

02:50:58 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform merely the fact that i reject the message doesn't say nanything about its validity.

02:51:05 mircea_popescu: merely it's unacceptability to me.

02:51:42 decimation: https://bloodyshovel.wordpress.com/2013/03/26/lee-kuan-yew-drains-your-brains-for-short-term-gain/

02:51:43 assbot: Lee Kuan Yew drains your brains for short term gain | Bloody shovel

02:51:45 asciilifeform: well ostensibly purpose of stego is 'dr evil can't tell if x is a node'

02:52:28 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and how can he ?

02:53:40 mircea_popescu: ?To have a nation, you must have people and you must have young people to be able to drive the economy and young people buy the products ? all these gadgets and fine dining ? and if you don?t have that, and you refuse migrants as the Japanese do, you will just dissolve into nothingness! I think before that comes, they may change (their) policy.? << a country which doesn't have enough gullible fools is not use

02:53:40 mircea_popescu: ful to the bezzlers, which means IT DOESNT EXIST O NOES

02:54:13 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: well, the only scenario where he can't is where a node only replies to 'friend', otherwise ignores.

02:54:28 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform node never replies.

02:54:29 decimation: along the same vein

02:54:36 mircea_popescu: why would a node ever reply ?

02:54:41 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: right. hence 'wotcoin.'

02:54:45 decimation: http://www.xenosystems.net/iq-shredders/#more-3088 "How many bright Indians and bright Chinese are there, Harry? Surely they are not infinite. And what will they do in Singapore? Well, engage in the finance and marketing rat-race and depress their fertility to 0.78, wasting valuable genes just so your property prices don?t go down. Singapore is an IQ shredder."

02:54:48 assbot: Outside in - Involvements with reality » Blog Archive » IQ Shredders

02:55:21 asciilifeform: why would a node ever reply >> if you're fetching blockchain state, vs. pushing tx

02:55:22 mircea_popescu: decimation this is a valid point. if i hadn't had fraudsters and all i did was finance i'd probably hang myself

02:55:30 mircea_popescu: like all the people falling on a nail gun from the 9th floor

02:55:53 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you shouldn't need a node for state.

02:55:54 copumpkin: :O

02:56:05 mircea_popescu: you should be able to reconstruct state on your own from the sea so to speak

02:57:37 nubbins`: aha! found it

02:57:44 nubbins`: now we're only a mystery $15 over

02:58:07 nubbins`: which isn't much of a mystery at all

02:59:30 asciilifeform: japan/migrants << we'll know jp is done as a going concern when they give up and let the devils in

03:00:29 decimation: I think most of them would rather die then let that happen

03:00:33 mircea_popescu: i know a guy who moved to japan and got citizenship, i know a guy who married a very pretty japanese rosebud and settled in yurp

03:00:35 decimation: which might be the case

03:00:48 mircea_popescu: the situation in the field has justabout 0 to do with the zerohedge-esque nonsense therein discussed.

03:01:20 mircea_popescu: there's this cracked.com v2.0 set of websites, which pretty much live off internet-hyperbole.

03:01:23 asciilifeform: guy who moved to japan and got citizenship << contrary to popular belief, this is not impossible - but about same level of difficulty as getting tenured professorship at a big uni

03:01:39 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not that big.

03:01:54 mircea_popescu: i'd say it's much easier to get japanese citizenship than bitcoin citizenship

03:01:59 DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, so why buenos aires? "permanent"?

03:02:03 mircea_popescu: yes.

03:02:12 mircea_popescu: well, permanent. i don't do permanent, i do a few years.

03:02:19 asciilifeform: if i recall, you need to be very popular with the locals, collect signatures, demonstrate cash flow, etc.

03:02:27 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ikr ?

03:02:50 DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, figured, that's why the quotes; job there?

03:03:16 mircea_popescu: DreadKnight you're talking to the only romanian billionaire. i don't jobs.

03:03:29 asciilifeform: incidentally, in jp it is not only legal but routine to refuse real estate deal, rentals, work, etc. to white devil.

03:03:45 asciilifeform: some foreigners (usa) find this very surprising

03:03:49 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not really from what i hear.

03:03:56 mircea_popescu: it is routine to refuse to deal with idiots tho

03:04:02 DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, considered that scenario as well, nice :)

03:04:03 mircea_popescu: i guess some foreigners conflate the two.

03:04:13 *: asciilifeform last informed on the subject many years ago

03:04:28 BingoBoingo: I need to find someone who can introduce me to one of those Chinese agencies which rents out designated white people

03:04:31 decimation: almost every country will welcome you if you have enough money

03:05:11 asciilifeform: decimation: don't confuse buying passport with making friends

03:05:11 mircea_popescu: decimation there's exactly two ways : one's wealth and the ability to select and hire local helpers. the other's deep knowledge and an ability to select and persuade local patrons.

03:05:21 mircea_popescu: you can be a scholar or you can be a merchant. what you can't be is a consumer

03:05:34 mircea_popescu: nobody wants those. this is surprising to nobody outside of us folk i would think.

03:06:36 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> nobody wants those. this is surprising to nobody outside of us folk i would think. << Well considering that most US local and state level economic development projects consist of efforts to attract and create consumers... Yeah

03:06:59 asciilifeform: i can picture a scenario where random bozos are invited in, but with the understanding of... biodiesel, if they don't make themselves otherwise useful

03:07:02 asciilifeform: a la dubai.

03:07:07 BingoBoingo: No US town wants a factory to be useful, they want it because it employees consumers

03:07:41 decimation: are you saying rich fools are unwelcome ?

03:08:10 mircea_popescu: decimation try a mental experiment. consider very insular, outsider-hating middle america community. consider you show up there and lavish new york mannerisms and expectations upon them. lynch mob is unsurprising. consider oppositely you show up there and display an intimate knowledge of the various blood feuds underpinning their social system. suddenly everyone wants you over for sunday dinner.

03:08:28 decimation: yeah good point

03:08:30 BingoBoingo: <decimation> are you saying rich fools are unwelcome ? << Rich fools are a resource to harvest like any other until the simply become fools

03:08:30 mircea_popescu: decimation yes. rich fools are dangerous in the manner of the weak tower discussed earlier.

03:08:39 mircea_popescu: nobody really wants them that's sane.

03:09:01 asciilifeform: rich fool can go to the diesel pot when he goes broke, but in the meantime can work various evils

03:09:30 asciilifeform: !s skyscraper

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03:10:09 DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, is your billionaire status related to bitcoins?

03:10:17 mircea_popescu: well yes

03:10:26 asciilifeform: what rich fools built? example - today's usa.

03:10:33 BingoBoingo: ;;google romanian billionaire openbsd

03:10:34 gribble: Romanian Billionaire Saves OpenBSD | Bingo Blog: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/01/19/romanian-billionaire-saves-openbsd/; Romanian Bitcoin Billionaire saves OpenBSD : Bitcoin - Reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1vnmb4/romanian_bitcoin_billionaire_saves_openbsd/; 19-1-2014 Romanian Bitcoin Billionaire saves OpenBSD - Bitcoin Forum: (1 more message)

03:10:34 decimation: the us is rich in rich fools, and this explains much of the common us mentality

03:11:06 mircea_popescu: decimation you familiar with the "the best way to sink a good start-up is a bad revenue source early on" quip ?

03:11:18 mircea_popescu: (it's not mine, i just put graham's idea in better wording)

03:11:37 decimation: yeah one observes this daily in the vc circus

03:11:45 mircea_popescu: well what are rich fools.

03:12:21 decimation: "branding over quality"

03:13:05 mircea_popescu: suppose rich fools (in the shape of oversexed, misguided older us women) show up in africa, with a cohort of young, undersexed male followers

03:13:11 mircea_popescu: they have the money to wreck communities, and they do.

03:13:18 mircea_popescu: i actually saw this in the act.

03:13:34 DreadKnight: BingoBoingo, that shows some proof of the status, but not how it came to be or maybe I'm missing something? Like OpenBSD being put to good use after... :)

03:13:43 mircea_popescu: (in guatemala, not in africa, but same principle.)

03:13:51 BingoBoingo: decimation: It isn't just the VC circus. Successful builder finds life better than ever, then buys expensive farmland to build several suburbs for people like himself and goes broke.

03:14:16 decimation: meanwhile the landscape is now permanently spammed with houses, which decay

03:14:17 DreadKnight: BingoBoingo, nvm title already contains "billionaire"

03:14:19 asciilifeform: Rich fools are a resource to harvest like any other until the simply become fools << dollar in the hands of billionaire is not the same as dollar in the hands of a mere mortal. just like a gram of dirt in orbit is not the same as same gram in a moon. 'quantity has a quality of its own.'

03:14:32 mircea_popescu: ^

03:14:52 mircea_popescu: you may think that glucose is what powers life

03:15:08 mircea_popescu: however a half pound glucose crystal is about as perishable as plastic.

03:15:41 BingoBoingo: Well historically most candied things were produced as a way to preserve various foods.

03:16:07 BingoBoingo: Much like NaCL

03:16:14 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: ancient egyptian honey, famously - still edible.

03:16:30 decimation: destruction is so much easier than construction: therefore spending money constructively is more difficult than spending money destructively

03:16:45 BingoBoingo: Concentration decides whether it is a nutrient or a preservative hostile to invasive life.

03:17:24 mircea_popescu: ie, quantity has a quality all of its own

03:18:05 asciilifeform: landscape is now permanently spammed with houses << 1km or so from where i sit, thousands of condos are being built. many already put to market; not 1 in 10 is inhabited.

03:18:24 decimation: ascii, how much would you say you have spent building an electronics assembly house? in my neck of the woods, it's common wisdom that such assembly machines are so expensive that they cannot possibly repay themselves

03:18:37 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Similar here, but instead of condos "McMansions"

03:19:08 decimation: heh there's also the original: Bowie's levittown

03:19:23 asciilifeform: decimation: very little. and nothing at all from the s.nsa piggy has gone for tooling.

03:20:18 decimation: I guess it depends on your requirements. if you really must build 8 layer pcbs with blind vias, the equipment to accomplish that is going to cost orders of magnitude more than dual-layer stuff

03:20:22 asciilifeform: decimation: what little (semi) automation i have in mind, is simply to eliminate problems with prototype assembly quality (vs design) from consideration during test.

03:20:37 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform here's something for you. who said 'Death solves all problems - no man, no problem.' ?

03:20:51 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: supposedly stalin, but in point of fact it was a fictional stalin.

03:20:54 BingoBoingo: Asystole is the most stable heart rhythym

03:21:00 mircea_popescu: right!

03:21:30 asciilifeform: decimation: i've no intention of producing pcb per se at home. at this point it is in fact more expensive than chicom boards with proper solder mask, plating, etc.

03:22:23 asciilifeform: decimation: i occasionally etch simple 2-layer boards in kitchen, but only for quick experiments (e.g. studying particular smt component)

03:22:29 decimation: right, pcbs are a different matter I suppose. I'm not so sure that assembly must be so expensive, given that the pcb is outsourced

03:23:04 decimation: if you buy golden toliet pick 'n' place and fancy solder tools I guess it becomes extremely expensive

03:23:23 asciilifeform: decimation: assembly for small runs is ruinously expensive, and has logistical issues (where do the parts come from? who purchases? is there a vig?)

03:25:27 decimation: the real issue is that you need a non-drug-addicted human to run the machines

03:25:35 decimation: and do rework when required

03:29:45 decimation: ascii have you driven on "MD200" (the ICC)

03:29:58 decimation: monument to spamming roads/homes pointlessly around landscape

03:31:05 BingoBoingo: Ah, around here one need not drive on a fancy road to find spammed homes. Even the barely paved have domicile spam.

03:35:15 BingoBoingo: http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20140724094043

03:35:15 assbot: Minimalist HTTP Daemon Activated in Base

03:37:46 decimation: is it going to replace bloated apache?

03:38:43 BingoBoingo: decimation: They already cut Apache from base in favor of nginx, this is more it seems a still more basic alternative to nginx for people that desire it

03:39:31 DreadKnight: I still hope that someday php will be usable system wide, like python, not just in a specific directory

03:40:11 BingoBoingo: DreadKnight: It can already be used like the question though is why?

03:40:14 BingoBoingo: =====

03:40:50 DreadKnight: BingoBoingo, portability and easier workflow

03:41:33 BingoBoingo: DreadKnight: What is insufficiently portable about C, python, Julia, Fortran 77, or Scheme?

03:41:46 DreadKnight: BingoBoingo, I'm talking php

03:42:07 DreadKnight: python is fine

03:42:55 BingoBoingo: DreadKnight: I know you want to talk about ======== php, but... What use would you find about an HTML generation language that would make it great for the whole system?

03:43:37 BingoBoingo: I'm just curious, also a little bit drunk and trollish for full disclosure.

03:44:14 DreadKnight: BingoBoingo, I could just share source code with someone and it would be easier for him to run it; I could start working on a dynamically generated website on my computer in any folder

03:45:10 BingoBoingo: I'm just trying to get over PHP is your prefered language and Bending Wordpress to your will seems intimidating.

03:45:11 DreadKnight: when it comes to linux and php, if you want to work inside dropbox as well, you have to deal with symlink, permission rights, logic and such

03:45:28 BingoBoingo: Is dropbox still a thing?

03:45:50 DreadKnight: I'm using git inside dropbox while working on websites

03:46:09 DreadKnight: why wouldn't dropbox still be a thing? :P

03:46:21 DreadKnight: not everyone will use amazon cloud thing

03:46:43 DreadKnight: ec2*

03:47:05 BingoBoingo: Wait Amazon is still a thing too???

03:47:40 DreadKnight: good thing you made a disclaimer earlier :D

03:48:05 mircea_popescu: julia ?!

03:48:36 DreadKnight: ikr

03:48:41 mircea_popescu: DreadKnight php is not too popular here, following a total bashing it got a few months ago over some bizarre design choices and (i suspect) the fact tux loved it.

03:49:24 DreadKnight: considering ditching it for python myself just because python doesn't care about a special folder

03:49:37 mircea_popescu: how does php care about a special folder ?

03:49:50 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Julia's some clojure like re-LISPening that is apparently getting played with in HPC and science computing circles

03:50:00 DreadKnight: on linux you need to have stuff in that /var/www or do some symlinking

03:50:05 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i know but i mean... portability right ?

03:50:38 mircea_popescu: DreadKnight you mean so apache will serve the pages remotely ?

03:50:45 DreadKnight: could probably change some setting, but not many will do that

03:50:59 DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, want to generate pages locally

03:51:00 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I just guessing off of the name that Julia has a vagina API call, and vaginas are accomodating to nearly anything given sufficient time to warm up

03:59:23 asciilifeform: php << why ?!

04:00:09 asciilifeform: decimation: md200 << aye. i even have the rfid billing gizmo just for it.

04:01:47 DreadKnight: php, because recursive acronyms >_<

04:02:46 decimation: most of the land for md200 was donated by local DC land baron to build Konterra

04:02:50 decimation: ie townhomes in swamps

04:03:17 asciilifeform: decimation: the remainder - confiscated from a few hundred unfortunates.

04:03:46 asciilifeform: the whole dc region is a gigantic swamp.

04:03:56 asciilifeform: point of fact: i've seen bitterns here.

04:04:09 decimation: after spending $3 billion to build road, the gov't managers said that the 4-foot trail next to the road would be "too expensive" to complete

04:04:14 decimation: ie trail to nowhere

04:06:01 decimation: go into debt building roads they can't afford while failing to provision for a future when no one can afford cars

04:07:22 asciilifeform: decimation: an asphalt road is far from any kind of permanent edifice. gets reclaimed by the jungle after just a few years of neglect. so don't expect to hear any talk of 'future' anything.

04:07:36 mircea_popescu: decimation this is an unfair observation. who in the us has the authority to actually take these facts in hand and make a decision ?

04:07:51 decimation: I've been seeking such a person for years

04:07:53 mircea_popescu: the way a country of "laws not men" works is by definition that unless it stumbles into sense, it will thread stupidity.

04:07:58 decimation: as far as I can tell, doesn't exist

04:08:37 decimation: if an alient landed in nebraska and said "take me to your leader", would the alien be disappointed with whomever appears?

04:09:38 decimation: Re: asphalt roads - in germany they build only with concrete for highways afaik

04:10:34 asciilifeform: i hear they even eat real - non-recycled - food, there.

04:11:00 decimation: "it's okay for you"

04:11:03 mircea_popescu: this is not true

04:11:07 mircea_popescu: autobahn is asphalt mostly.

04:12:09 mircea_popescu: ZTV Asphalt-tr 07/ZTV Beton-StB 07 being the relevant standards, if anyone's curious.

04:12:29 asciilifeform: swamp land of dc << example. moved to new place recently. even the garden shed has... air conditioner.

04:12:35 decimation: I suspect that they are more substantially graded than us highways

04:12:57 decimation: well, with 95% humidity at 95 degrees F what do you suspect

04:13:12 asciilifeform: in summer, tropical hell, like the venus of old sf stories

04:16:28 decimation: at least in new york they get sea breezes

04:16:44 decimation: washington dc is one of the least habitable zones on the east coast

04:18:13 decimation: soon dc will once again have strange tropical mosquito-bourne illness: http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/concerned-mosquito-born-chikungunya-virus/

04:18:13 assbot: How concerned should we be about the mosquito-borne Chikungunya virus? | PBS NewsHour

04:18:42 asciilifeform: decimation: you need a non-drug-addicted human to run the machines << when it comes to it - one can run the machines in person. if one is truly serious.

04:19:42 decimation: that comes down to a trade-off between development and production

04:20:01 decimation: but extremely valuable information is to be gained by doing both

04:20:08 asciilifeform: given the nature of the product, there are also other considerations.

04:21:15 decimation: true, in the case of security hardware

04:22:09 asciilifeform: regardless of where the production gizmos end up baking, the 'breath of life' will have to be breathed into them right here.

04:23:32 asciilifeform: (everybody gets a unique firmware. as described in the prospectus.)

04:27:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.1599002 = 1.9188 BTC [+] {6}

04:33:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 15 @ 0.16 = 2.4 BTC [+]

04:38:44 BingoBoingo: %d

04:38:45 atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 687182.56 Est. Next Diff: 637338.21 in 1183 blocks (#42336) Est. % Change: -7.25

04:38:47 BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats

04:38:50 gribble: Current Blocks: 312366 | Current Difficulty: 1.733631697850783E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 312479 | Next Difficulty In: 113 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 18 hours, 12 minutes, and 4 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 18728951524.4 | Estimated Percent Change: 8.03305

04:54:21 BingoBoingo: !up DollyDear

05:00:07 DollyDear: !ticker mpex

05:00:07 assbot: Good morning, may you serve the Lord, and may His holy dominion guide you through your dismal life.

05:00:26 DollyDear: !ticker h sdice

05:00:26 assbot: Quest for vision is a great blessing.

05:02:39 kakobrekla: you need some help

05:02:41 kakobrekla: ?

05:03:07 DollyDear: maybe

05:26:01 BingoBoingo: !Up DollyDear

05:26:17 BingoBoingo: !t m s.mpoe

05:26:17 assbot: You know, I've had it up to here with this Indian malarkey.

05:49:03 cazalla: me too

06:12:21 BingoBoingo: Somebody get this man a buttcoin http://deadspin.com/gm-gets-prostate-exam-in-stadium-sings-take-me-out-to-1610657985

06:12:22 assbot: GM Gets Prostate Exam In Stadium, Sings "Take Me Out To The Ballgame"

06:19:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28600 @ 0.00081818 = 23.3999 BTC [-] {2}

06:26:55 BingoBoingo: !up CHRIX

06:28:59 mircea_popescu: !last s.wol

06:28:59 assbot: It's so strange that you don't remember any of your poetry.

06:29:23 BingoBoingo: Doge distractions http://pocketmonster.kotaku.com/one-mans-five-year-quest-for-a-shiny-pokemon-1603763304

06:29:24 assbot: One Man's Five-Year Quest To Find A Shiny Pokmon

06:29:53 mircea_popescu: !last m s.wol

06:29:53 assbot: Last trade for S.WOL on MPEX was at 0.00008888 BTC [+]

06:30:12 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell mike_c isn't that "long life and prosperity" in chinese ?

06:30:12 gribble: The operation succeeded.

06:30:28 mircea_popescu: !up lordbunson

06:32:05 mircea_popescu: "O'Connell went through this process whenever he could, be it while he was watching TV or surfing the internet. He estimates that he's reset the game maybe over 100,000 times, with over five hundred hours dedicated to this single consuming task."

06:32:15 mircea_popescu: am i to be impressed that somebody did something for 500 hours ?

06:33:05 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'm moe dumfounded that he didn't just fck the rng to favor him

06:33:06 cazalla: i'll ask my brother, he held WR for fastest complete on pokemon red for gameboy

06:33:31 BingoBoingo: Or hexeditor on the ROM

06:34:09 BingoBoingo: 500 hours is more than enough time to make a perfect cheat on such a sumb platform

06:34:21 mircea_popescu: i've definitely spent more than 500 hours whipping slaves over the past decade

06:34:25 mircea_popescu: doesn't seem like a big deal.

06:34:43 BingoBoingo: whipping slaves is it's own reward

06:35:25 BingoBoingo: Dude thoug adopted the Doger-aspie mentality of I want X, but only via route Y.

06:35:45 BingoBoingo: Case study in why etherium prolly won

06:35:50 BingoBoingo: 't ship

06:36:10 mircea_popescu: hm

06:38:11 BingoBoingo: It isn't amazing that he accomplished something. It is amazing he took such a fail path to do so for so long.

06:38:11 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

06:42:18 BingoBoingo: Anyone can imagine they've done anything if they smash their head into a cinder block until they have the cognitive funtion of an oyster

06:42:51 mircea_popescu: i don't think oysters imagine

06:43:30 BingoBoingo: Pretty sure oysters are or at least should count as vegan

06:43:57 BingoBoingo: Being as far as they are from anything else that might vaguely be considered an animal

06:45:21 mircea_popescu: hm, now that'd be a character : a gaudy hipster that identifies as vegan and chains oysters

06:48:08 BingoBoingo: Well, if I settled next to the sea I figured I'd call myself vegetarian and eat hundreds of oysters a day for the trollz

06:48:11 fluffypony: oysters are delicious

06:51:14 mircea_popescu: fresh they're pretty good yeah

06:51:27 mircea_popescu: but it's by far the most sensitive to pollution/freshness food there is

06:51:32 fluffypony: yep

06:51:46 fluffypony: we have the Knysna Oyster Festival every year around the corner from us

06:51:52 fluffypony: so this is oyster country

06:52:31 mircea_popescu: ah

06:52:34 mircea_popescu: well that helps

06:53:53 BingoBoingo: They ship here pretty well from clean waters. Helps that oysters are rather robust for shellfish.

06:57:30 mircea_popescu: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/83/Pearl_Oysters.jpg < those are some pretty pearls.

07:00:14 BingoBoingo: Indeed rather large as well. Getting enough that size for a strand would be one of (expensive, a pain in the ass)

07:02:58 mircea_popescu: lol that day when romanian newspapers actually buy google adwords exposure on your name.

07:03:37 BingoBoingo: Is that today?

07:04:59 BingoBoingo: https://www.koofers.com/drexel-university/instructors/popescu-698283/

07:05:00 assbot: Mircea Popescu: Rate Professor: Drexel (DU): Koofers

07:05:13 mircea_popescu: it's today

07:09:22 BingoBoingo: ;;google mircea popescu adwords

07:09:23 gribble: Mai 2010 pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: http://fraudsters.com/2010/05; MPOE-PR, almost two years in the swamp. An anthology. pe fraudsters ...: http://fraudsters.com/2013/mpoe-pr-almost-two-years-in-the-swamp-an-anthology/; 150+ Negative Keywords for Software Selling AdWords Campaigns ...: http://blog.avangate.com/150-negative-keywords-software-selling-adwords/

07:10:23 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo http://fraudsters.com/2014/random-weird-shit/#comment-103226

07:10:24 assbot: Random weird shit pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

07:10:47 BingoBoingo: lol

07:11:57 mircea_popescu: also the various eth threads all over are pretty lulzy

07:11:58 mircea_popescu: https://ripple.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=7432&start=0

07:11:59 assbot: Ripple Forum • View topic - Ethereum seems to start selling their native currency

07:12:04 mircea_popescu: "Somehow I managed to partially recover from my Ripple loss, I don't think I will invest in anything else but bitcoin in the future."

07:12:55 mircea_popescu: derp : "omfg they got 5k btc this is so important". older generation derp : "ripple claimed the same thing, a year later they have nothing to show for it"

07:14:37 BingoBoingo: At least Ripple had the courtesy to give away their fail tokens at the start. Basically the Ether terms are then can funnel up to 5kilo BTC back into "development" with the net effect they can Burn 5000 btc in this sale and relaim them later as "expenses"

07:19:59 BingoBoingo: Anything Eth gets beyond the initial 5 kilo BTC might be outside interest

07:22:09 mircea_popescu: http://www.helpareporter.com/sources

07:22:10 assbot: Become a News Source HARO Publicity Alerts - Help a Reporter Out - Help a Reporter Out

07:22:13 mircea_popescu: this is maybe an interesting concept

07:22:50 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo it'd logically be the 5k it originaly got. anything it gets past 5k past the 5k would be outside interest.

07:23:57 mircea_popescu: %d

07:23:59 atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 687182.56 Est. Next Diff: 635045.23 in 1166 blocks (#42336) Est. % Change: -7.59

07:25:56 BingoBoingo: Altcoin as usual is the perfect contrast because dev costs are already sunk and minimal. Instead what ATC has are long term commitments to buy it.

07:28:30 mircea_popescu: seems so.

07:36:40 BingoBoingo: This is a moral failing of Doge and Ether

07:37:07 BingoBoingo: That they pray for mysterious outside benefactors to bless them with value

07:39:27 mircea_popescu: that's a way to look at it yeah.

07:45:41 BingoBoingo: It's related to a sort of spamvestment scheme traditionally oriented towards targeting doctors.

07:45:57 mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFbYM2EDz40 sorta braindamaged explanation that's nevertheless fundamentally correct.

07:45:57 assbot: Edgar the Exploiter - YouTube

07:46:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30747 @ 0.00081628 = 25.0982 BTC [-] {2}

07:50:11 mircea_popescu: http://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/2bmiev/my_favorite_thing_about_buttcoiners/ << le butthurtz

07:50:12 assbot: My favorite thing about buttcoiners : Buttcoin

07:56:34 BingoBoingo: Right now a big piece of spam when I listen to the radio is "Own your own oil well" commercials targeting accredited investors.

07:56:55 mircea_popescu: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2blwn1/i_honestly_dont_care_about_many_laws_put_around/cj6s0ar << the lithuanian guy has a point.

07:56:56 assbot: PureApeshit comments on I honestly don't care about many laws put around Bitcoin. The funny thing is I'm your average American next door neighbor.

07:57:27 mircea_popescu: i ran a town, it was a pleasure to live in. for everyone except the buttcoiners, of course (the dumbass kids that go for postdocs in the us didn't exist) and the feminists (the dumbass womenz also didn't exist).

07:57:42 mircea_popescu: so basically anarchy works for everyone but reddit.

07:59:19 fluffypony: the amount of ignoreance is too damn high: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=708883.0

07:59:19 assbot: NAMECOIN 2.O + IPO

07:59:37 BingoBoingo: "I can see this working for a limited amount of time, in small communities. But who is going to build a $3 Billion bridge and regulate the quality of the engineering? Donations? What will keep greedy companies from paying desperate workers $2/hour, which is what is happening right now in countries with less regulation." Ferries are still a thing

08:00:36 mircea_popescu: http://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/2bmbmi/the_tyranny_of_structurelessness_and_why/ << meanwhile social sciences redditard is stumbling on the concept of bitcoin-as-acutally-is deductively.

08:00:36 assbot: "The Tyranny of Structurelessness" and Why Decentralization Isn't All It's Cracked Up to Bean essay. : Buttcoin

08:01:02 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo he failks to comprehend that the bridge in question does not in fact cost 3bn

08:01:13 mircea_popescu: it only costs 3bn if a particular type of sucker (us govt) is buying it.

08:01:21 mircea_popescu: mobsters don't pay retail, let alone golden toilet prices.

08:02:14 mircea_popescu: fluffypony wtf bs is this, imagetext ?

08:02:21 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: ikr

08:02:59 BingoBoingo: There's probably a few places in the world where a bridge might cost 3 billion honestly, but...

08:03:20 BingoBoingo: Generally those aren't places that need bridges

08:03:41 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo 3bn is at current prices 85 tons of gold

08:03:46 mircea_popescu: is this bridge MADE out of gold ?

08:04:44 xmj: BingoBoingo: long bridges are expensive

08:04:50 mircea_popescu: if someone made a sterling silver lifesized replica of the golden gate, it'd still not be 3bn.

08:04:51 xmj: especially the ones across belts, and stuff

08:04:55 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, connecting Hawaiian or Aleutian island with Bridges, i.e. places that don't need bridges

08:05:11 mircea_popescu: yeah well.

08:05:35 mircea_popescu: actually i am wrong : gg is like 1mn tons.

08:06:46 mircea_popescu: that'd be 200ish mn for the steel alone.

08:07:36 BingoBoingo: Golden toilet prices of $695 mil deliver https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stan_Musial_Veterans_Memorial_Bridge and the road surface isn't even smooth but the most charitable definition

08:07:36 assbot: Stan Musial Veterans Memorial Bridge - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

08:08:10 mircea_popescu: turns out it cost like 20mn to build back a century ago.

08:08:53 BingoBoingo: Inflation, too many dollars, etc

08:11:28 BingoBoingo: Now it takes longer to name a bridge than build it

08:12:43 mircea_popescu: anyway, the monthly delving in the trials and tribulations of the reality-is-people folk has been most rewarding.

08:13:37 mircea_popescu: fluffypony that idiocy aside, an actual namecoin that actually worked well'd be a pretty good thing.

08:13:43 fluffypony: yes

08:13:45 fluffypony: I agree

08:13:54 fluffypony: they definitely won't be the ones to do it, though :-P

08:14:03 mircea_popescu: problem is, someone needs to put first tier resolver servers online.

08:14:27 mircea_popescu: which isn't THAT expensive to do, but it does require a puppet-master sysadmin type to start it all

08:14:33 mircea_popescu: we've been waiting for that guy since 2012.

08:15:08 mircea_popescu: ironically, for all the bitching, wailing and thrashing of insignificant subhumans on reddits and forums, there is A TON of free space right at the top, and for years i've just been waiting for people to come and claim their spot.

08:15:43 mircea_popescu: just... the ability of being actually useful is a lot rarer than the ability to down a special interest studies read list and then derp around in circles.

08:16:48 mircea_popescu: i wonder how many of these fucktarded kids realise that a) domestic animals could "learn" the bullshit they've "learned" and b) that automatically means it ain't fucking worth bothering with.

08:21:29 mircea_popescu: but anyway, that's all for me. tomorro.

08:21:37 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> which isn't THAT expensive to do, but it does require a puppet-master sysadmin type to start it all << OMG Bob Beck has a path to redemtion if he takes it

08:22:05 BingoBoingo: *p omitted because history is immutable

08:24:04 BingoBoingo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_2830107729&feature=iv&index=2&list=PLeImKFecYFCzKacBAZGzcJEVm9OWN1PFZ&src_vid=xMq-FyDBeBA&v=1qEEd7J3DBo

08:24:04 assbot: MINECRAFT (Honest Game Trailers) - YouTube

08:48:09 BingoBoingo: !up CheapBoy

08:48:52 CheapBoy: Thanks!

08:49:21 CheapBoy: I've got the hold of my GPS keys, trying to understand how to speak to gribble :)

08:49:41 xmj: GPG

08:49:53 xmj: CheapBoy: hi

08:49:54 xmj: :)

08:55:38 fluffypony: ;;8ball should CheapBoy turn left in 500 meters?

08:55:38 gribble: NO!

08:55:45 fluffypony: see, gribble understands GPS

08:56:06 CheapBoy: Xmj Hi. I still don't understand what is what in the instructions about gribble

08:56:42 CheapBoy: Does gribble know where I am???

08:57:08 CheapBoy: Omg... I'm outta here

08:57:15 fluffypony: !down CheapBoy

08:57:52 fluffypony: CheapBoy: http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/Using_bitcoin-otc

08:57:54 assbot: Using bitcoin-otc - bitcoin-otc wiki

08:58:26 xmj: well, that's that.

09:01:46 BingoBoingo: !up CheapBoy

09:13:57 cazalla: http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-tyne-28460426

09:13:57 assbot: BBC News - Flight MH17 crash: Man charged over Twitter post

09:24:25 xmj: how long does the IRS need in order to process form SS-4 and issue an Employer ID number?

09:29:26 xmj: rephrase, how long does it take them to process a fax'ed SS-4 form and issue an EIN ?

09:30:32 csshih: lol sorry xmj ;p I'm only familiar with the online app which takes literal moments

09:31:33 xmj: there we go ;)

09:31:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 877 @ 0.004 = 3.508 BTC [-]

09:31:36 xmj: thx

09:31:46 csshih: "To expedite the issuance of an EIN for a foreign entity, please call (267) 941-1099. This is not a toll-free call.

09:31:46 csshih: " http://www.irs.gov/Individuals/International-Taxpayers/Taxpayer-Identification-Numbers-(TIN)

09:31:46 assbot: Taxpayer Identification Numbers (TIN)

09:32:29 xmj: boo

09:32:40 xmj: i dont wanna pay taxes; just get a bank account and receive money :p

09:34:48 csshih: boo

09:34:59 csshih: :c irs

09:47:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 21 @ 0.162 = 3.402 BTC [+]

10:12:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10450 @ 0.00081487 = 8.5154 BTC [-]

10:22:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31100 @ 0.00081476 = 25.339 BTC [-] {2}

10:25:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.162 = 1.458 BTC [+]

11:44:18 FabianB: $depth s.mpoe

11:44:19 empyex: FabianB: [S.MPOE] Bids: 50000 @ 0.00081273 34235 @ 0.00081251 44486 @ 0.00081060 23200 @ 0.00079720

11:44:20 empyex: FabianB: [S.MPOE] Asks: 7453 @ 0.00081536 10971 @ 0.00082002 66000 @ 0.00082043 40300 @ 0.00082138

11:44:26 FabianB: $depth s.bbet

11:44:27 empyex: FabianB: [S.BBET] Bids: 1000 @ 0.00048222 1000 @ 0.00048000 2000 @ 0.00047000 190 @ 0.00046010

11:44:28 empyex: FabianB: [S.BBET] Asks: 10000 @ 0.00050900 10000 @ 0.00050999 10000 @ 0.00052210 10000 @ 0.00052229

11:44:34 FabianB: $depth f.mpif

11:44:36 empyex: FabianB: [F.MPIF] Bids: 191 @ 0.00021513 100 @ 0.00021512 1000 @ 0.00021512 2000 @ 0.00021511

11:44:37 empyex: FabianB: [F.MPIF] Asks: 2000 @ 0.00022500 10000 @ 0.00023150 10000 @ 0.00023500 10000 @ 0.00023850

11:45:08 FabianB: $depth s.mg

11:45:09 empyex: FabianB: [S.MG] Bids: 99 @ 0.00009100 671844 @ 0.00009000 20000 @ 0.00003000 3000000 @ 0.00000050

11:45:10 empyex: FabianB: [S.MG] Asks: 79053 @ 0.00010950 3000 @ 0.00011000 100000 @ 0.00012000 18 @ 0.00012399

11:54:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.16499888 = 1.485 BTC [+] {4}

12:39:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7453 @ 0.00081536 = 6.0769 BTC [+]

13:46:33 chetty: http://www.coindesk.com/austria-offers-contradictory-guidance-bitcoins-financial-status/

13:46:33 assbot: Austria Offers 'Contradictory' Guidance on Bitcoin's Financial Status

14:37:45 ThickAsThieves: "Cost of mining doesn't matter to the price, miners will readjust themselves according to the current price by either taking a temporary loss and not selling or reduce mining nodes/more efficient hardware." fukn traders...

14:41:24 pigeons: my stocks went down too, but the price doesn't matter, i'll just take a temporary loss and not sell. how long is temporary?

14:41:37 xmj: yyyyeah

14:41:51 xmj: that's what people said after the Dotcom bubble

14:41:54 xmj: then the firms went bust.

14:42:36 pigeons: i could just spend the money i dont have because im taking a temporary loss on more efficient hardware that doesnt exist

14:43:08 xmj: cover losses

14:44:30 xmj: limit downsides

14:51:49 mike_c: asciilifeform: google was unhelpful. what was this chocolate password scheme? http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-07-2014#768266

14:51:49 assbot: #bitcoin-assets log

14:57:41 ThickAsThieves: "Mitchell Tace Chapman, of Pegwood Road, Sunderland, has been charged with making a malicious communication."

14:57:44 ThickAsThieves: nice

14:58:05 ThickAsThieves: "slander" is out. "malicious communication" is in!.

15:02:28 chetty: <ThickAsThieves> "slander" is out. "malicious communication" is in!.//whatever happened to 'stick and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me'?

15:15:25 asciilifeform: mike_c: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/3639679.stm and http://www.theguardian.com/technology/blog/2008/apr/16/woman4timesmorelikelythan and probably others

15:15:26 assbot: BBC NEWS | Technology | Passwords revealed by sweet deal

15:15:26 assbot: Woman 4 times more likely than men to give passwords for chocolate | Technology | theguardian.com

15:17:54 mike_c: asciilifeform: lol. good stuff.

15:20:33 asciilifeform: ok here's a little mindfuck

15:20:36 asciilifeform: 'Sector repair completed:port=0, LBA=0x0.'

15:20:39 asciilifeform: what are the chances.

15:20:55 xmj: what.

15:22:30 asciilifeform: boot record.

15:22:38 mthreat: anyone competing in ICFP?

15:28:04 xmj: asciilifeform: wow

15:31:46 chetty: http://www.infosecurity-magazine.com/view/39466/european-central-bank-hacked-20k-email-addresses-lifted/

15:31:47 assbot: Infosecurity - European Central Bank Hacked; 20K Email Addresses Lifted

15:33:13 artifexd: I come back from Ecuador and realize that they just banned bitcoin entirely because they're going to make their own cryptocurrency. I guess my wife was right all along when she said Correa was a dumb ass.

15:34:01 artifexd: Also, []bot is back up. There just has been no action for the last 18ish hours.

15:35:07 artifexd: Wow. Much logs. Many catching up to do.

15:35:14 asciilifeform: http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2014/07/24/nuanced-view-needed-to-understand-millennial-homebuying-behavior << mega-lol. chumpatron is sputtering, chumpatronic engineers desperate.

15:35:16 assbot: 'Nuanced View' Needed to Understand Millennial Homebuying Behavior - US News

15:36:04 chetty: nuanced view - hmm time to ban some more words

15:36:49 asciilifeform: chetty: the 'lies per kByte' in this turd must be some sort of record.

15:37:20 mike_c: this is not rocket science. they just took out a "mortgage" to pay for college. why would they want another one?

15:37:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 200 @ 0.00297729 = 0.5955 BTC [+]

15:40:43 asciilifeform: 'And the investment in higher education, even if it means finances are strapped now, leads to higher wages that boost future spending power.' << eat recycled food. it's good for the environment - and ok for you!

15:49:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3337 @ 0.0029773 = 9.9353 BTC [+] {2}

15:59:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.81517560 BTC to 12`515 shares, 14504 satoshi per share

16:00:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 24.25324692 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 2109 satoshi per share

16:05:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] [PAID] 4.61234584 BTC to 29`438 shares, 15668 satoshi per share

16:06:48 ThickAsThieves: https://www.amagimetals.com/info/ceo-of-amagi-metals-makes-a-bet-with-peter-schiff/

16:15:23 kakobrekla: lots of text for 1btc.

16:16:29 mike_c: 1btc in 5 years though. that could be hefty.

16:33:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27800 @ 0.00081648 = 22.6981 BTC [+] {2}

16:34:39 ThickAsThieves: schiff took the shitty side, he gets one worthless bitcoin at the end if he wins

16:42:25 mircea_popescu: ;;ticker

16:42:26 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 601.06, Best ask: 602.26, Bid-ask spread: 1.20000, Last trade: 602.27, 24 hour volume: 5598.26669767, 24 hour low: 592.97, 24 hour high: 609.65, 24 hour vwap: 600.887144777

16:46:34 DreadKnight: DreadKnight:or even investors, as long as the strings aren't forever <-> mircea_popescu:DreadKnight why not ?

16:46:55 DreadKnight: forgot to answer that last time, well I misinterpreted

16:48:21 DreadKnight: the answer: I'm trying to make an evergreen type of game, with high replay value, that will also get new content and features over the years; so it's not like an oldschool published game, where you got a finished product with 40 hours of gameplay and then it gets stacked on the shelf

16:48:51 DreadKnight: evergreen games are the hardest to make and I don't want strings attached over the years; you could check out this article about such games http://www.gamasutra.com/blogs/DanielCook/20130726/196754/A_single_game_as_a_lifelong_hobby.php mircea_popescu

16:48:52 assbot: Gamasutra: Daniel Cook's Blog - A single game as a lifelong hobby

16:49:28 mircea_popescu: DreadKnight that's exactly how i go too. eulora is supposed to be playable forever.

16:49:53 mircea_popescu: this doesn't answer the "why" tho.

16:49:54 DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, is that one of your projects or a game you funded?

16:50:12 mircea_popescu: that's the flagship game of s.mg, it's a proper mmorpg.

16:50:18 DreadKnight: hmm http://fraudsters.com/2013/its-called-eulora/

16:50:19 assbot: It’s called Eulora pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

16:50:23 mircea_popescu: playable atm, more or less, if you have linux

16:50:23 mircea_popescu: yes.

16:50:30 mircea_popescu: or know how to compile for your platform

16:51:00 DreadKnight: I usually hate compiling, most keen on browser based stuff

16:51:19 fluffypony: browser based games?

16:51:23 fluffypony: like Farmville?

16:51:56 DreadKnight: more or less

16:52:00 mircea_popescu: fluffypony guy's working on yet another homm for the web.

16:52:03 mircea_popescu: what was the link again ?

16:52:21 fluffypony: DreadKnight: do you use a ChromeBook?

16:52:56 DreadKnight: fluffypony, on a desktop atm, but would definitely recommend a ChromeBook to my parents and other people within a year or so

16:53:16 DreadKnight: fluffypony, so yeah, what's the link to your project? I'm making www.AncientBeast.com

16:53:27 fluffypony: I don't have a project, I'm semi-retired

16:53:36 DreadKnight: got an old screenie?

16:53:42 asciilifeform: 'chromebook' can be turned into a perfectly normal machine (diassemble, remove eeprom write protect jumper, write in an ordinary linux, e.g. 'gentoo')

16:53:57 mircea_popescu: fluffypony read that as "semi retarded" :D

16:53:59 mircea_popescu: sorry fluffl

16:54:04 fluffypony: hah hah

16:54:12 fluffypony: only when it's the morning and I haven't had coffee ;)

16:54:17 mircea_popescu: DreadKnight dude's not a game dev, he's like a corporate ladder climber.

16:54:37 DreadKnight: seen quite a few people wanting to make a homm clone, but nobody was quite up for walking the walk

16:54:40 fluffypony: "I reached the top and I had to stop, and that's what's bothering me"

16:54:42 fluffypony: *sings*

16:54:45 mircea_popescu: hehe

16:55:02 jurov: DreadKnight so if you had in exchange for investment to pay out % of profit as dividends, is that unacceptable string to you?

16:55:12 mircea_popescu: fluffypony recall that fraudsters url with your pic ?

16:55:23 fluffypony: fuck you, fuck me?

16:55:35 fluffypony: other way round - fuck me, fuck you

16:56:20 mircea_popescu: DreadKnight http://fraudsters.com/2014/fuck-me-fuck-you/ << there, that's her.

16:56:21 assbot: Fuck me ?! Fuck you!!! pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

16:56:39 DreadKnight: jurov, was more keen on giving a fixed percentage back from the investment with time, besides the investment itself ofc; I'm not really into stock market, but I guess that would be fine, I could always buy the dividends myself at some point :D

16:56:47 asciilifeform: 'fuck you fuck me' << that was the original teledildonics product, if i recall.

16:56:59 asciilifeform: http://www.easylife.org/fufme

16:56:59 assbot: FuckU-FuckMe. Changing the feel of communication.

16:57:29 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ikr ?

16:57:32 asciilifeform: http://www.easylife.org/fufme/faq-use.html

16:57:32 assbot: FuckU-FuckMe. Changing the feel of communication.

16:58:33 fluffypony: that is a fantastic tagline

16:58:35 jurov: DreadKnight why would you submit to giving fixed % back even if the game profits is less than anticipated?

16:58:41 DreadKnight: wait, why am I seeing a picture of fluffypony's wife? xD

16:59:01 mircea_popescu: cause it's his better half ?

16:59:09 fluffypony: indeed

16:59:12 DreadKnight: she ain't bad :3

16:59:17 mircea_popescu: she takes all the decisions and etc

16:59:24 mircea_popescu: ol' fluff just works all day.

16:59:26 DreadKnight: oh :))

16:59:54 DreadKnight: so she probably decided to axe the homm clone or had something to do with it

17:00:02 fluffypony: what's homm?

17:00:09 DreadKnight: Heroes of Might and Magic

17:00:14 fluffypony: ah ok

17:00:24 mircea_popescu: fluffypony i can help you! http://fraudsters.com/2010/heroes-iii/

17:00:24 assbot: Heroes III pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

17:00:29 mircea_popescu: (you can look at teh pictures)

17:00:34 fluffypony: holy cow 2010 blog post

17:00:38 *: asciilifeform fondly remembers m&m and homm

17:00:59 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you ever tried playing mm6/7 with a girl ?

17:01:03 DreadKnight: jurov, yeah, that's assuming less risks in the short term anyway; though in the long run, those percentages could be way more than that fixed profit cut I mentioned

17:01:11 *: fluffypony stares at the Settlers of Catan box

17:01:12 mircea_popescu: it works splendidly, have her asdw while you handle teh mouse.

17:01:22 mircea_popescu: best couple activity involving a screen ever.

17:01:41 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nope

17:01:44 mircea_popescu: DreadKnight you won't get a bond as nobody. not even major players in the industry get bonds.

17:02:33 mircea_popescu: (and when they do get close to bonds, disasters a la daikatana happen. it's very important to have good supervision, key to success.)

17:03:03 mircea_popescu: fluffypony fraudsters started in 2008. and since then, i've written > 1 article a day, each day, every day.

17:03:04 DreadKnight: funny they sold daikatana for whatever in humblebundle recently

17:03:19 mircea_popescu: thing cost 10 mn dollars, and this is pre 2000 money.

17:03:42 DreadKnight: dunno why they don't let that game project get buried already

17:03:50 mircea_popescu: thing cost 10 mn dollars, and this is pre 2000 money. <

17:04:03 DreadKnight: yeah, they're still trying to cover loses

17:04:08 mircea_popescu: people get incredibly attached to huge piles of dough

17:04:48 DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, still having issues with zoso and other bloggers nowadays?

17:05:03 mircea_popescu: im sure they're still butthurt.

17:05:20 mircea_popescu: but today, it's mostly reddit that's butthurt.

17:05:34 mircea_popescu: well and sa, ofcourse.

17:05:38 DreadKnight: how come?

17:05:49 DreadKnight: I'm not too keen about reddit myself, ugly looking

17:06:01 DreadKnight: feels 80's

17:06:03 benkay: "cyranodeb" // read as cyra-node-b, because i have bitcoins on the mind

17:06:03 asciilifeform: http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q186/Soaprman/imagefests/doom2-08/DOOM0446.png << author of daikatana

17:06:24 mircea_popescu: DreadKnight well there's a lot you don't understand (yet) :p

17:06:53 DreadKnight: there always will be

17:07:04 DreadKnight: tell me something new :D

17:07:12 mircea_popescu: ahh what a way to wake up. i think ima fire up h2 now

17:07:35 mircea_popescu: ( asciilifeform ever tried playing h2/h3 with a girl ? ever found one to consistently beat you ? )

17:07:53 asciilifeform: nein

17:09:18 DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, you could have posted a screenie with that eulora blog post :D

17:09:44 DreadKnight: found some in the comments

17:10:02 mircea_popescu: DreadKnight which one you mean ?

17:10:19 mircea_popescu: o o uyeah.

17:10:24 mike_c: http://www.eulorum.org/Screenshots

17:10:25 assbot: Screenshots - Eulorum

17:10:34 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2012/heroes-of-newerth/ << mp meets moba.

17:10:35 assbot: Heroes of Newerth pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

17:11:24 mike_c: wow, 5 months blows by quick. chetty, when's v0.0.5?

17:11:26 DreadKnight: mmorpgs are beasts to make and they require massive amount of players, the main issue that breaks or makes mmo's is that they keep being rpg's and have a lot of competition, also, there's the peer pressure; a lot of players stick to a certain mmorpg because their friends keep playing them, getting them to switch would mean also making friends to switch at the same time

17:12:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.15610228 = 0.7805 BTC [-] {3}

17:12:16 DreadKnight: there are a few extra creditz episodes on youtube why new mmorpg's don't make it as in they can't compete with WoW etc

17:12:30 mike_c: WoW gold can't compete with bitcoin

17:12:34 mircea_popescu: mike_c buildings being worked on. but a new package not so far off.

17:12:39 mike_c: cool

17:13:04 benkay: hoooooly logs

17:13:09 mircea_popescu: ima keep going "there's a lot you don't know yet" at this poor guy or what.

17:13:27 mircea_popescu: benkay we wish you a merry fu! we wish you a merry fu! and a happy neeeeew looooog!

17:14:55 []bot: Bet placed: 3 BTC for No on "BTC to top $800 before August" http://bitbet.us/bet/994/ Odds: 12(Y):88(N) by coin, 15(Y):85(N) by weight. Total bet: 26.83847635 BTC. Current weight: 20,822.

17:14:55 benkay: s.mg pump incoming hue hue hue

17:19:39 DreadKnight: even if WoW requires pumping money into, there are quite a few players who use WoW to make money, yeah, might not be in an official way like bitcoins, but still

17:20:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2310 @ 0.00081671 = 1.8866 BTC [+]

17:20:17 mike_c: for everyone who is dying to know what moiety sounds like:

17:20:19 mike_c: https://btc.waroflife.com/videos/

17:20:20 assbot: War of Life - Cellular automata to the death!

17:22:05 mircea_popescu: ahahah scottie.

17:22:44 bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: pankkake: natalie portman is a jew? I always knew something was off with her << only on the mother's side. << still counts, of course, and a +ev strategy for it to be so. my father isn't one of the "chosen people," though he's still… frugal

17:23:55 bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: pigeons: wow really they are already trying to damage control the 1% of the press they get that isn't positive? and from a bitcoinpete (no offense lol) blog post? << the 1% happens to be what matters in this field. << pimps matter in every field

17:24:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 255 @ 0.0029 = 0.7395 BTC [-]

17:24:34 bitcoinpete: 575 hits on dat ethereum blog so far

17:28:50 mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete there've been a few people inquiring here, but none actually put fat on the line.

17:28:59 bitcoinpete: kakobrekla: Luke-Jr banana << lmao

17:29:16 bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: tawk iz cheep

17:29:24 chetty: <mike_c> wow, 5 months blows by quick. chetty, when's v0.0.5?//been a little distracted lately, hopefully soon

17:29:50 bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: and so is being stoopid

17:30:12 mircea_popescu: basically the advent of the internet talkhole has resulted in a lot of people trying to save on talk psychiatry.

17:30:20 mircea_popescu: to the degree the profession all but disappeared.

17:31:34 bitcoinpete: which is truly unfortunate for the immense population of north americans who need it

17:31:51 bitcoinpete: not that they could afford it

17:32:08 mircea_popescu: well, need is relative. they could use it, sure. a good beating's cheaper.

17:32:10 bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: you're not being accused. you've just been convicted. that's all. << Luke-Jr, of being a banana

17:33:43 bitcoinpete: "The median grade at Harvard College is an A-, and the most frequently awarded mark is an A, Dean of Undergraduate Education Jay M. Harris said on Tuesday afternoon"

17:33:58 bitcoinpete: more beatings needed. everywhere.

17:34:12 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2014/a-useful-list-of-things/

17:34:13 assbot: A useful list of things pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

17:34:25 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2014#721756

17:34:26 assbot: #bitcoin-assets log

17:37:20 bitcoinpete: mhm

17:38:08 bitcoinpete: if canadian institutions were so favourable, i'd be in medicine

17:38:10 asciilifeform: the official legend has always been (don't laugh...) 'we only admit the best, of course they'll have nothing but perfect marks'

17:38:24 chetty: http://wallstreetonparade.com/2014/07/lawsuit-stunner-half-of-futures-trades-in-chicago-are-illegal-wash-trades/

17:38:27 assbot: Lawsuit Stunner: Half of Futures Trades in Chicago Are Illegal Wash Trades

17:38:41 mircea_popescu: fluffypony http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/288/325/03c.png

17:39:00 fluffypony: lol

17:39:07 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no twenty year old ever fell in love resulting in neglect of his work.

17:39:12 mircea_popescu: this is amish country, only better.

17:39:16 asciilifeform: bitcoinpete: this (as discussed in the log) is not a thing in every u.s. uni, but only at the 'ivy' ones (most expensive, direct ladder to the lizardocracy)

17:39:54 chetty: <asciilifeform> bitcoinpete: this (as discussed in the log) is not a thing in every u.s. uni, but only at the 'ivy' ones (most expensive, direct ladder to the lizardocracy)//trickle down will get there

17:40:26 mircea_popescu: you know incidentally... this is exactly how the "Stefan Gheorghiu" School of Political Science worked in the 80s romania.

17:40:30 bitcoinpete: asciilifeform i had the good fortune of going to a larger canadian uni, saving me from such poisonous offerings

17:40:37 mircea_popescu: they couldn't give a bad mark to someone they had admitted.

17:41:04 bitcoinpete: lest they make the admissions board look bad

17:41:13 asciilifeform: i've been told this is SOP in japan, as well.

17:41:24 mircea_popescu: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ștefan_Gheorghiu_Academy

17:41:24 assbot: tefan Gheorghiu Academy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

17:41:30 bitcoinpete: hard to get in, but if you're in…. gravy

17:41:38 asciilifeform: can't flunk a brahmin, bad form.

17:41:52 bitcoinpete: the gods would be angry

17:42:09 mircea_popescu: it gives a bad impression of social mobility to the workers.

17:42:23 mircea_popescu: actually i should probably write on the us fiction of "social mobility"

17:42:42 asciilifeform: the original u.s. chumpatron.

17:42:46 bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: YES!

17:43:38 bitcoinpete: "North Korean dictator Kim Jong-un is reportedly furious about a Chinese viral video that photoshops him into all manner of ridiculous scenarios: dancing, brawling, riding a pig, frolicking with Osama Bin Laden, and generally being made a laughingstock by Obama and Putin."

17:43:57 mircea_popescu: he should invade.

17:44:12 bitcoinpete: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUgEmezpS_E << actually pretty lulzy

17:44:13 assbot: - YouTube

17:45:00 bitcoinpete: kju should raise interest rates

17:45:20 bitcoinpete: which i guess russia did today - 0.5% up to 8%

17:46:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 756 @ 0.00297173 = 2.2466 BTC [+] {3}

17:46:45 mircea_popescu: 8% is just about nuts.

17:47:00 mircea_popescu: they are killing the domestic market.

17:47:28 mircea_popescu: i mean i get it, new mercantilism, they don't want consumption, all that. but omfg, 8%.

17:47:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 700 @ 0.00297749 = 2.0842 BTC [+]

17:48:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1669 @ 0.0029775 = 4.9694 BTC [+]

17:49:27 bitcoinpete: definitely, but i seriously no idea it was 7.5% before!

17:49:37 bitcoinpete: 8 is fucked

17:50:05 asciilifeform: oldie but goodie on subject of brahmins: http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2007/4/26/mit-admissions-dean-resigns-admits-misleading

17:50:05 assbot: MIT Admissions Dean Resigns; Admits Misleading School on Credentials | News | The Harvard Crimson

17:52:46 kakobrekla: if anyone is looking for a satire https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=708813.msg8020809#msg8020809

17:52:46 assbot: MPEx securities discussion thread

17:53:34 bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves this is the benefit of aging. you start to realise your time is worth more than money. << a lesson few, even more aged, grok. intentionally i often suspect, as they're too unimaginative to find better uses for their time

17:54:17 chetty: better than what?

17:54:34 mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete or it's just too painful to admit they're currently wasting their time.

17:54:43 asciilifeform: to paraphrase paul erdos, 'they have no theorems to prove'

17:54:54 mircea_popescu: how many people with tween kids in tow are willing to consider whether the little schmucks are even worth raisingin the first place ?

17:54:59 mircea_popescu: it starts there.

17:55:02 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aptly put.

17:55:19 fluffypony: this is why we're not having kids

17:55:24 asciilifeform: a fellow 'with theorems to prove' could easily put 1000 years to good use.

17:56:04 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla ow shit, guy posting on the forum just annulled half a million btc worth of paper.

17:56:08 mike_c: fluffypony: because your kids wouldn't be worth raising?

17:56:08 mircea_popescu: the fuck am i going to do now.

17:56:27 mircea_popescu: mike_c because if he were to discover they aren't, he wouldn't have an out.

17:56:32 mircea_popescu: or at least so i imagine.

17:56:32 fluffypony: yep

17:56:45 mike_c: doesn't say much of your analysis of their gene pool :)

17:56:46 fluffypony: if they ended up being useless shits, what then?

17:57:01 bitcoinpete: fluffypony: cross that bridge when you get to it, neh?

17:57:03 mircea_popescu: people wanna solve the fertility problem, the solution is simple : give parents the unchallengeable right to kill the kids up until age 16.

17:57:13 mircea_popescu: problem solved. much better kids, and more of them.

17:57:15 mike_c: what kill? out is easy: boarding school.

17:57:24 fluffypony: well it's other concerns, mike_c - my neice has down syndrome, and I don't envy the ongoing struggle my aunt and uncle have

17:57:29 mircea_popescu: mike_c only if it's a self-supporting economic activity.

17:57:30 chetty: not kids would survive, all teens should die

17:57:33 bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: islam does exactly that, honour killings, still have population explosions

17:57:37 kakobrekla: mp: nothing, its over!

17:57:37 mircea_popescu: which doesn't work today, as there's not much useful work kids can do.

17:57:59 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla can i send you my cv ? maybe there's a job opening somewhere, bit4x ?

17:58:12 mike_c: kids aren't supposed to be a profitable economic activity.

17:58:17 fluffypony: either way, we've realised we're too selfish as a couple to consider children, and I doubt that will change in future

17:58:18 mike_c: they are an expense

17:58:19 mircea_popescu: mike_c lol wut ?

17:58:55 mircea_popescu: fluffypony you ever seen maria's shining moment ?

17:58:56 rithm: pirate wants a jury trial

17:58:57 chetty: if more people really understood babies grow into teens there would not be a population problem

17:59:03 rithm: isn't that neat

17:59:07 mike_c: you pay $500,000 to have a cute little thing that loves you for 10 years, hates you for 8, and then hopefully respects you after that.

17:59:09 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: no?

17:59:09 mircea_popescu: rithm of course he does ?

17:59:29 mircea_popescu: fluffypony decent film. has the cannonical moment of the down kid parent thing.

17:59:36 mircea_popescu: well, at least to my mind cannonical.

17:59:47 rithm: babies grow into teens?

17:59:55 rithm: i hate teenagers!

18:00:02 fluffypony: rithm: isn't a jury supposed to be made up of your peers? so then his jury is going to be made up of Karpeles and the "dev teams" behind MaidSafe and Ethereum?

18:00:03 mircea_popescu: mike_c now why would i do that ? i'

18:00:13 mircea_popescu: d rather pay indiancandy's plane ticket for 500 or w/e it was

18:00:17 mircea_popescu: and im not doing that, either.

18:00:18 mike_c: why do some people get dogs? i have no fking idea.

18:00:25 rithm: fluffypony: subpoenas for errybody

18:00:26 mircea_popescu: this is not dogs. the dog, you can kill.

18:00:44 mircea_popescu: fluffypony i don't think they take peers that seriously.

18:00:52 mike_c: it is a gamble. more upside with a good kid than a good dog.

18:00:57 rithm: i call to the stand vbuterin

18:01:02 fluffypony: mike_c: because dogs are adorable and love you, and if your situation changes you can rehome them, and if they have an untreatable aggression problem you can (legally and even morally to most) put them down

18:01:02 rithm: to speak about ethereum

18:01:20 fluffypony: rithm: trial by blockchain!

18:01:23 mike_c: fluffypony: yes. and on the other hand they will never have an intelligent conversation with you.

18:01:31 fluffypony: PoJ - Proof of Judiciary

18:01:44 mircea_popescu: mike_c why would i take a gamble on another's terms ?

18:02:08 mike_c: that doesn't make sense. why would anyone bet on bitbet on your terms?

18:02:16 bitcoinpete: bbl

18:02:16 mircea_popescu: i want the right to kill any children or i won't have any. that's that.

18:02:27 mircea_popescu: mike_c that'd be their problem.

18:02:28 asciilifeform: ^

18:02:29 fluffypony: mike_c: true that...I guess we want it to be a bit more of a "sure thing" when embarking on a 20 year project that will consume nearly all our time and money ;)

18:02:36 mike_c: and i don't want a dog. different strokes.

18:03:01 mircea_popescu: mike_c but anyway, presumably because my terms are great.

18:03:09 mike_c: heh, "sure thing".

18:03:09 mircea_popescu: compared to their terms, that suck.

18:03:15 fluffypony: !s ecuador

18:03:15 assbot: 14 results for 'ecuador' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=ecuador

18:03:21 mircea_popescu: which is why women are my slaves, rather than me theirs : because i am great, and they aren't as great.

18:03:33 fluffypony: oh werd, artifexd already mentioned it

18:03:43 mike_c: until you meet the right woman :D

18:03:44 fluffypony: they've banned Bitcoin and all digital currencies

18:03:50 mircea_popescu: fluffypony pretty much the only thing one can be sure of here, is that news's been scoopt.

18:04:05 mircea_popescu: mike_c thing is, i've met plenty of right women

18:04:07 mircea_popescu: for that position

18:04:14 mike_c: not the position of making you their slave.

18:04:21 mike_c: she is still out there.

18:04:27 mircea_popescu: perhaps.

18:04:31 fluffypony: "The law gives the government permission to make payments in ‘electronic money’, but decentralized digital currencies like bitcoin will now be prohibited. The proposed electronic money is to be backed by the assets of the Banco Central del Ecuador, the nation’s central bank. The National Assembly will oversee the new currency while the central bank will develop and integrate it into the broader financial system."

18:04:35 mircea_popescu: hey, more power to her, i've no problem with it.

18:04:54 mike_c: fluffypony: how old is your wife? mid-20's?

18:05:03 fluffypony: mike_c: 27

18:05:09 mike_c: k, check back in 3 years plz

18:05:10 mircea_popescu: if anyone from ecuador is here : i will trade with you in violation of ecuador's alleged "laws".

18:05:13 fluffypony: hah hah

18:05:26 mircea_popescu: mike_c ask me.

18:05:36 mike_c: you don't have a wife.

18:05:43 mircea_popescu: a slave's more than a wife.

18:05:50 mike_c: different, not more.

18:05:53 mircea_popescu: no, more.

18:06:09 mike_c: hell no. you only think that cuz you haven't met wife yet.

18:06:19 mircea_popescu: you're discussing the relation not the person.

18:06:30 mircea_popescu: slave'll do what you tell her to, and that includes go kill yourself.

18:06:31 mike_c: that is backwards. the person is the important part.

18:06:36 mircea_popescu: which makes it more.

18:07:00 mike_c: that is the benefit of slave, like benefit of dog. it will do what you tell it or else. child and wife have different pros & cons.

18:07:08 mircea_popescu: it's not really "or else".

18:07:18 mike_c: right, same with dog.

18:07:30 mircea_popescu: we disagree.

18:07:40 mircea_popescu: as far as i can see, wife's closer to dog than to slave.

18:07:46 mircea_popescu: at least as commonly practiced wife and dog goes.

18:08:10 mike_c: well, i am not concerned with commonly. commonly wife & husband can't stand each other.

18:08:27 mike_c: commonly people hold fiat instead of bitcoin

18:08:31 mircea_popescu: yes well, everyone thinks their thing's special, for as long as it lasts.

18:08:33 mircea_popescu: some turn out right.

18:08:52 mircea_popescu: but the relation with the wife is constructed to protect the possible failures.

18:08:55 mike_c: you can apply those last two lines to BTC as well

18:08:58 mircea_popescu: the relation with the slave's constructed to expose them

18:09:19 mike_c: it is same as dog. you are limiting the downside, but also limiting upside.

18:09:36 mircea_popescu: you really like this similarity, but no. the limited upside's with the wife.

18:09:44 mircea_popescu: which is why i said a wife's closer to a dog earlier.

18:10:23 mircea_popescu: take it this way : there's a lot less you can be spectacularly wrongabout with the wife. A LOT LESS.

18:10:38 mike_c: which is "better": 1) woman that does whatever you say. 2) woman that is your intellectual equal and participates favorably in your life

18:10:42 mircea_popescu: applying "no pain no gain" in reverse, obviously there's also a lot more upside with the slave.

18:10:53 mircea_popescu: mike_c that she's a slave does not preclude her being your intellectual equal.

18:11:01 mircea_popescu: it just precludes her being your will equal.

18:11:01 mike_c: no, it precludes the 2nd part

18:11:19 mircea_popescu: how the hell does it preclude participating favorably in your life ?

18:11:30 mike_c: because she doesn't help make decisions.

18:11:37 mircea_popescu: of course she does.

18:11:44 kakobrekla: !s coindesk

18:11:45 assbot: 122 results for 'coindesk' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=coindesk

18:11:46 mircea_popescu: she HELPS. she doesn't presume to actually make them.

18:11:58 mike_c: and why shouldn't she presume?

18:12:04 mike_c: because she is not qualified?

18:12:14 mircea_popescu: you want me to answer a negative ? she shouldn't presume becauise it;'s not her place.

18:12:41 mircea_popescu: let me go at it a different angle. you ever were good friends with a good doctor ? i mean, practicing seriously, a good one.

18:12:50 mike_c: yup

18:13:13 mircea_popescu: did it even happen that you were privy to a case where they fucked up ? for w/e reason, they made the wrong call, resulting in a lot of trouble for a patient ?

18:13:17 mike_c: yup

18:13:33 mircea_popescu: did this harrowing emotional experience constitute an opportunity for them to grow, as a person ?

18:13:42 mike_c: hm. she cried over it.

18:13:47 mircea_popescu: well yeah, but!

18:13:52 mike_c: yes

18:13:54 mircea_popescu: there's more to life than that first layer.

18:14:05 mircea_popescu: and now, consider that you WILL punish your slave for no fault of her own.

18:14:20 mircea_popescu: yes, her well welted flesh is going to participate favourably in your life.

18:14:38 mircea_popescu: you get to discover just how stupid you are, in short order, and a wife's no substitute.

18:14:49 mike_c: obviously slave, like dog, will participate favorably at some level.

18:15:01 mircea_popescu: at a level higher than anyone else can access.

18:15:16 mircea_popescu: meaning is, after all, the ash of sacrifice.

18:16:20 mircea_popescu: the fact that a wife is relatively safe, in her person and property makes the relationship much alike to that with a dog. which dog, in it's bestial stupidity, is also relatively safe.

18:16:22 mircea_popescu: a slave's not safe.

18:16:34 mike_c: try this. axiom (for this case): woman is right, you are wrong. who has a better chance of changing your mind/behavior? slave eventually is told to stfu and will do so.

18:16:46 mircea_popescu: and so ?

18:17:01 mike_c: and so you continue to be wrong, and no longer receive any input as to why.

18:17:12 mircea_popescu: don't you see the backflow here ? if you KNOW that your order will be unquestioned if it's an order,

18:17:20 mircea_popescu: aren't you in a much better position to correctly evaluate it ?

18:18:05 mircea_popescu: what'd you rather do, linux or windoze ? rm -rf has no "are you SURE ???" triplicate dialogue.

18:18:11 mircea_popescu: who' the better coder, the linux guy or the windows guy ?

18:18:18 mircea_popescu: which is closer to walking a dog ?

18:18:25 mike_c: (rm -r does)

18:18:33 mircea_popescu: (just forcing a point)

18:19:09 mike_c: poor analogy. i'm not looking for pointless barrier. this is why wife needs to be of certain quality.

18:19:21 mircea_popescu: windows is of certain quality.

18:19:28 mike_c: so i marry linux!

18:19:35 mircea_popescu: linux won't marry you.

18:19:37 mircea_popescu: it has a master already.

18:19:45 mike_c: ah, that can change :)

18:19:50 mircea_popescu: the pool you can select wives from is already the pool of the women too [insert here] to have a master.

18:19:53 benkay: 9362/10362

18:20:17 mike_c: bullshit. the pool i select from is whoever I want. since I am making better offer, I get woman.

18:20:20 mircea_popescu: mike_c recall ballas' champagne glasses pyramid. wives are the 2nd or 3rd rung from the bottom.

18:20:29 mircea_popescu: you are actually making a much worse offer.

18:20:48 mircea_popescu: that is of course not obvious to most midrange women, which is why they get married.

18:20:53 mike_c: you are self-selecting. worse offer to slavegirl perhaps who doesn't want to live her own life.

18:21:12 mircea_popescu: you presume there's a way to live your own life outside of slavery. there actually isn't.

18:21:20 mike_c: who is your master?

18:21:21 mircea_popescu: you do get to live a role, i guess. be a good mom/wife/consumer/we

18:21:58 mircea_popescu: mike_c nobody. why, you entertaining symmetry hopes ?

18:22:10 DreadKnight: unless you go away with mars one project, then you'll care about survival

18:22:15 mike_c: <+mircea_popescu> you presume there's a way to live your own life outside of slavery. there actually isn't.

18:22:34 benkay: <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform traffic should resemble people exchanging gpg messages maybe ? // run it over cjdns?

18:22:36 mircea_popescu: mike_c if you must, i can expand it to include teh masters too.

18:22:47 mircea_popescu: benkay not a bad idea baking that in there i dont think yes.

18:22:56 mircea_popescu: so that your nodes act as cjdns nodes too, help both projhects.

18:23:30 benkay: neatly excises mitm.

18:24:38 mircea_popescu: !up wserd

18:25:55 benkay: <decimation> statelessness has a quality all its own // see, mircea_popescu? state sucks. cause of much woe.

18:26:29 mircea_popescu: benkay if you recall, mpex eschewed https and http "logins" because state ?

18:27:03 benkay: not because a webui woulda cost more?

18:27:24 benkay: i keed, i keed.

18:27:45 mircea_popescu: not more than urmom!

18:28:06 mircea_popescu: !up the20year

18:28:09 mircea_popescu: pm assbot !up

18:28:10 benkay: and really sir - "because state"? not because the chosen architecture made it unnecessary?

18:28:16 benkay: !t h rent

18:28:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00400000 / 0.00402181 / 0.00439038 (1577 shares, 6.34238759 BTC), 7D: 0.00400000 / 0.00425515 / 0.00538009 (2574 shares, 10.95275244 BTC), 30D: 0.00200000 / 0.00403815 / 0.00540000 (9748 shares, 39.36386385 BTC)

18:28:23 assbot: [MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 59120 @ 0.00021465 = 12.6901 BTC [-] {2}

18:28:34 mircea_popescu: benkay these two aren't different.

18:29:24 assbot: [MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 27206 @ 0.00019 = 5.1691 BTC [-]

18:30:40 benkay: hey why did the order numbers fall over? not busting balls, state conversation made me curious.

18:31:05 mircea_popescu: because order numbers are assholes.

18:31:13 jurov: <mircea_popescu> benkay if you recall, mpex eschewed https and http "logins" because state ? << and later almost forced everyone to maintain counter huh

18:31:21 mircea_popescu: jurov ;/

18:31:23 benkay: mircea_popescu: WORST TECHNICAL REPORT

18:31:35 mircea_popescu: jurov it's one of the sins burdening me in confession.

18:31:38 benkay: yeah, shove state into the clients. fuck 'em.

18:32:30 the20year: is the topic still on wives?

18:32:45 benkay: the20year: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com

18:32:46 assbot: #bitcoin-assets log

18:33:01 mircea_popescu: the20year nope we just moved on.

18:33:07 the20year: by the time i read it all, you are on to something else

18:33:17 the20year: so i can only assume it 's a tarp

18:33:28 benkay: read faster, american

18:33:42 kakobrekla: http://vimeo.com/50531435

18:33:42 assbot: This Land Is Mine on Vimeo

18:33:45 benkay: 9570/10410

18:34:26 ThickAsThieves: <+mike_c> for everyone who is dying to know what moiety sounds like: /// dat accent

18:34:27 the20year: Between chatting i'm also dealing with rental applications

18:34:48 the20year: I'm loving the facebook page thing, it's to the point we're getting half a dozen to a dozen rental applications before our properties in rehab are done

18:34:52 mike_c: ThickAsThieves: vote in progress. too thick for muricans?

18:34:54 mircea_popescu: whoa look at fmpif go

18:35:15 mircea_popescu: did someone fatfinger or did someone hire a forum muppet for investment advice ?

18:35:29 kakobrekla: its prolly jimmothy ackman

18:35:59 mircea_popescu: how'd he have twenny btc worth of stocks.

18:36:01 benkay: <DreadKnight> I still hope that someday php will be usable system wide, like python, not just in a specific directory // ahahahahaha

18:36:05 mike_c: !mpif

18:36:06 assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021699 B (Total: 474.50 B). Delta: -0.78 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00019 BTC [-]

18:36:11 benkay: and this guy's making a muhmorperger?

18:36:25 mircea_popescu: benkay don't hate ppls just because they're different

18:36:25 benkay: =====================!

18:36:29 mircea_popescu: that's why you're still single

18:36:33 jurov: huh someone sold deeply into my mm's .19 order?

18:36:34 fluffypony: no, it's an evergreen

18:36:36 benkay: foreveralone

18:36:40 benkay: .butts

18:36:45 mike_c: had to be a fatfinger. reminder #240 to always have an order on the books.

18:36:59 mircea_popescu: jurov o was your MM stuff hit ?

18:37:01 mircea_popescu: sweet.

18:37:08 mircea_popescu: !up wyrdmantis

18:37:31 kakobrekla: a few trades today unaccounted for in that upper nav i think

18:37:50 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla yeah perhaps as much as fiddy bitcents profited.

18:37:51 kakobrekla: mike_c make the thing run hourly ?

18:38:03 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla how would he know what jurov made ?

18:38:16 kakobrekla: hm ? i mean my thing.

18:38:27 mike_c: !mpif

18:38:28 assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021707 B (Total: 474.69 B). Delta: -0.59 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00019 BTC [-]

18:38:29 mircea_popescu: o wait, YOU LOST MOAR MONYZ ?!?!?!

18:38:36 mike_c: oh, sweet, he made money

18:38:44 mircea_popescu: o yay.

18:39:00 mircea_popescu: great time to sell into the dirt : when unreported gains.

18:39:30 mike_c: kakobrekla: yes.. moving from cron.daily to cron.hourly is on the short list. i'll just do it now.

18:39:37 jurov: ;;calc 0.00021707*1.01

18:39:37 gribble: 0.0002192407

18:39:40 kakobrekla: cool ty

18:39:41 jurov: ;;calc 0.00021707/1.01

18:39:41 gribble: 0.000214920792079

18:39:56 jurov: mhm

18:41:27 wyrdmantis: hi everyone

18:41:53 benkay: salud

18:42:00 wyrdmantis: how register my nick?

18:42:30 wyrdmantis: i have to write the commands right here?

18:42:31 kakobrekla: to wot or nickserv ?

18:42:37 wyrdmantis: nickserv

18:42:43 DreadKnight: benkay, not making a mmorpg

18:42:44 wyrdmantis: one thing at a time

18:42:45 benkay: 10008/10462

18:43:00 ThickAsThieves: <+mike_c> ThickAsThieves: vote in progress. too thick for muricans? //// Other than when she says "cunt" instead of "current" the accent is great ;)

18:43:01 kakobrekla: yeah /msg nickserv commands

18:43:17 mircea_popescu: ahahaha

18:43:55 mike_c: i heard that too :)

18:44:01 mircea_popescu: !up yamaka

18:45:18 ThickAsThieves: lol "MPEX has no value and has been/continues to burden the community." ~hayek

18:45:30 DreadKnight: benkay, was actually giving arguments why people shouldn't make mmorpg games, no matter how much money they got into their accounts

18:45:48 benkay: defo skimmed that logsection

18:45:54 mike_c: any other muricans want to give a listen and voice an opinion it would be appreciated. this isn't a love-fest, please say if you think the accent might not work for average US speaker. https://btc.waroflife.com/videos/

18:45:54 assbot: Video Tutorials - War of Life

18:46:25 kakobrekla: i like it

18:46:33 mike_c: yeah, but you are multi-lingual

18:46:41 ThickAsThieves: no he's murican now

18:46:42 ThickAsThieves: sry

18:46:49 ThickAsThieves: graduated from somalian

18:46:50 mircea_popescu: mike_c how many non multilingual ppl ar you gonna find in assets ?

18:46:52 mike_c: he can't be murican if he speaks more than 1 language

18:47:28 ThickAsThieves: look, i'm an american and i like it, what more is there to need to know really?

18:47:30 mircea_popescu: !up wyrdmantis

18:47:39 mike_c: hell, you're from florida. practically a redneck

18:47:43 kakobrekla: perhaps is a bit fast

18:47:50 mircea_popescu: mike_c he's not even white.

18:47:52 ThickAsThieves: i'm from MA technically

18:47:54 ThickAsThieves: but sure

18:48:02 ThickAsThieves: i'm not even racist either

18:48:10 mircea_popescu: irk?

18:49:05 mircea_popescu: "MP prolly on NSA payroll."

18:49:22 mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/635/1btc-10-000-usd/#c3572 << bitbet trollbox beats btctrolltalk now

18:49:22 assbot: BitBet - 1BTC >= $10,000 USD :: 75 B (12%) on Yes, 572.49 B (88%) on No | closing in 3 months 3 weeks | weight: 32`872 (100`000 to 1)

18:49:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 393 @ 0.00149998 = 0.5895 BTC [+] {2}

18:50:17 ThickAsThieves: well there is S.NSA after all...

18:50:55 ThickAsThieves: this is good: "What baffles me is how people can send so many coins to a supposedly anonymous person. Do you give out unsecured loans to random strangers who you meet for the first time?"

18:50:58 ThickAsThieves: "Are you new to this subforum?"

18:51:11 mircea_popescu: lol

18:51:19 mircea_popescu: "unsecured loan" ? where do they get off lmao

18:53:02 mike_c: omg that SR auction bet is the gift that just keeps giving. daily lulz in the comments.

18:53:17 ThickAsThieves: mike_c on more mature note, i can add that the audio has some sibilance issues

18:53:43 mircea_popescu: !up _biO_

18:53:46 jurov: mircea_popescu: looks like the F.MPIF perpetrator wants to withdraw

18:53:51 mike_c: yeah, it wasn't done with pro equipment i'm sure. but it was meant to have casual tone.

18:54:09 ThickAsThieves: i could smooth out some if you send me the raw

18:54:27 mircea_popescu: personally, i kinda like it how they keep making these forum threads about how mpex is bad, get laughed into the ground, close it and reopen it as if it were new.

18:54:28 mike_c: sure, thanks!

18:54:36 mircea_popescu: since the 2012 days of glbse we're at what, 4 of these ? 5 ?

18:54:44 mike_c: ;;google sibilance

18:54:44 gribble: Sibilant - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sibilant; Sibilance - Merriam-Webster Online: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sibilance; sibilance - definition of sibilance by The Free Dictionary: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/sibilance

18:55:05 mircea_popescu: jurov on it.

18:55:09 jurov: actually the thread wasn't about "mpex is bad" till jimmothy came around

18:55:44 kakobrekla: someone offer him a short?

18:55:49 mircea_popescu: well yeah but he's what, 90% of the text.

18:56:02 kakobrekla: for the 0.02 he has.

18:56:05 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla you need money for that. his budget was in the decimals last he was offered a short.

18:56:14 kakobrekla: :)

18:56:24 mircea_popescu: and "it woudln't be fair anyway", for some variation of "mp has all the btc and can do whatever he wants"

18:56:25 fluffypony: jimmothy irritates the living daylights out of me

18:56:29 fluffypony: he's impossible to talk to

18:56:30 kakobrekla: yeah but this one is not cause of the money.

18:56:33 benkay: <mike_c> you pay $500,000 to have a cute little thing that loves you for 10 years, hates you for 8, and then hopefully respects you after that. // ideally. sculpting them into not-biodiesel is generally frowned upon in these parts.

18:56:39 mircea_popescu: somehow suddenly he's aware of that when it's his skin. but otherwise, happy to run the mouth,

18:56:43 benkay: "but mocking their idiocy is abuse!"

18:56:50 mircea_popescu: best argument against letting the common folk out of the dungeon i ever saw.

18:57:28 mircea_popescu: fluffypony he's providing the valuable service of keeping the idiots out.

18:57:53 kakobrekla: anyway, someone should offer a short on the thing, just to keep things healthy.

18:58:04 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla you looking to get banned moar ?

18:58:05 benkay: ah, the wives and slaves thread begins.

18:58:09 kakobrekla: lol

18:58:10 benkay: 10286/10535

18:58:13 benkay: busy day

18:58:22 mircea_popescu: benkay what's the count ? no way we have 10k lines in the log today

18:58:36 benkay: lines since i last rebooted emacs on the aws micro

18:58:42 mircea_popescu: oh k.

18:59:41 benkay: <mircea_popescu> it's not really "or else". // whose wives don't do as told?

19:00:23 benkay: <mike_c> which is "better": 1) woman that does whatever you say. 2) woman that is your intellectual equal and participates favorably in your life // false dichotomy

19:00:27 mircea_popescu: benkay his.

19:00:42 benkay: looky here i say "we're moving to argentina", we move to argentina.

19:00:46 mike_c: i didn't present it as 2 of 2 choices

19:00:52 mike_c: it's 2 of a million

19:00:57 mircea_popescu: http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2013/08/12/taken

19:00:57 assbot: Taken - The New Yorker

19:01:06 mircea_popescu: "United States v. One Pearl Necklace"

19:01:31 benkay: granted there's some yelling and "what about whelping near the g-p's", but at the end of the week the conversation is about which neighborhood in which to site up

19:01:35 ThickAsThieves: you cant debate people's love lives

19:01:37 ThickAsThieves: it's dumb

19:01:43 benkay: ThickAsThieves: this is -assets

19:01:52 benkay: debate all the things while testing in production

19:01:52 mircea_popescu: benkay and if you say "you eat your dogfood with your hands shackled behind your back and if you run into a hair there fu you eat it anyway and if it makes you vomit fu you'll lick it all up the floor and swallow it" ?

19:02:14 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves sure you can't debate it. why would something not be up for debate ?

19:02:17 benkay: that kinda stuff doesn't do much for me, mircea_popescu

19:02:25 mircea_popescu: benkay it does lots for her.

19:02:25 ThickAsThieves: cuz it implies one can win

19:02:36 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves no itdoesn't. discussion and action are divorced topics,

19:02:52 mircea_popescu: not like one has to do anything on the strength of what ba said.

19:03:03 benkay: "get up at 7, make me coffee and bfast, sweep the apartment and then work out" is about the right load for lady v right now.

19:03:13 mircea_popescu: benkay you appreciate the point then.

19:03:25 benkay: right.

19:03:43 benkay: you don't go straight for the butthole w/no lube etc.

19:03:46 benkay: patience, etc.

19:03:53 mircea_popescu: not like it's a goal.

19:04:02 mircea_popescu: but still, wives are not slaves (and probably shouldn't generally be)

19:04:10 benkay: ("TOUCHDOWN")

19:04:25 mircea_popescu: the20year will miss the topic again be all butthurt

19:05:33 benkay: <mike_c> poor analogy. i'm not looking for pointless barrier. this is why wife needs to be of certain quality. // those with whom one spends ones time in general...

19:06:23 benkay: <mircea_popescu> you presume there's a way to live your own life outside of slavery. there actually isn't. // everything is a fractal representation of something else

19:06:30 benkay: marriage, slavery, democracy, bitcoin...

19:06:39 mircea_popescu: benkay what do you mean by fractal

19:06:45 benkay: aight logged up!

19:06:58 benkay: representing at a smaller or larger scale something else smaller or larger than itself

19:06:58 rithm: fractal geometry usually

19:07:05 benkay: the leaf and the river delta

19:07:37 benkay: monarchy and god

19:07:53 mircea_popescu: you're not making sense.

19:07:59 asciilifeform: '...officers scoring personal bonuses of up to twenty-six thousand dollars a year, straight from the forfeiture fund. In Titus County, forfeiture pays the assistant district attorney?s entire salary. Farther south, in Johnson County, I came upon a sheriff?s office that had confiscated an out-of-state driver?s cash, in the absence of contraband...'

19:08:11 rithm: usually implies infinite zoom and levels where the original image is represented

19:08:17 rithm: chaos theory

19:08:20 *: benkay tags rithm in

19:08:22 rithm: butterflies in africa

19:08:56 rithm: i have a seirpinski triangle tattooed on my back!

19:09:08 kakobrekla: trampstamp?

19:09:17 rithm: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sierpinski_triangle

19:09:17 assbot: Sierpinski triangle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

19:09:31 rithm: that's probably one of the easier concepts to explain fractal geometry

19:09:42 rithm: because only 3 sides, not complex equations

19:09:49 kakobrekla: is it pointing towards the asshole?

19:10:01 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the highway robbery the us govt is conducting as a matter of course is well documented already, yes.

19:10:06 mircea_popescu: just one more symptom of decay

19:10:08 rithm: it's pointing to infinity and it's a repeating math funtion

19:10:23 kakobrekla: meh.

19:10:25 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: yes, but it is odd to see it mentioned in the u.s. 'pravda'.

19:10:28 rithm: the more difficult the function, the more intricate the design

19:10:51 rithm: but usually fractal geometry is zooming in and seeing a portion of the orignal image

19:10:54 rithm: fwiw

19:11:08 rithm: geometries of repeating functions at scale

19:11:51 rithm: you can add dimensions and then you get to talking about chaos

19:11:54 mike_c: i'm with ThickAsThieves. debating love is like debating religion. nobody is going to change their mind.

19:12:20 benkay: who said anything about love?!

19:12:37 mike_c: TaT did.

19:12:37 rithm: i understood benkay's statement

19:12:58 jurov: love peace happiness and slavery

19:13:22 benkay: ultimate responsibility for ones own actions drives lots of people insane, jurov

19:13:38 benkay: easier to pray, be told what to do by a "master"

19:13:45 benkay: see also the 12-steppers "higher power"

19:13:52 mike_c: asciilifeform: forfeiture quote source?

19:14:16 asciilifeform: mike_c: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-07-2014#769241

19:14:16 assbot: #bitcoin-assets log

19:14:18 benkay: "this conscious operator can't make good decisions, so let's create an alternative decisionmaker inaccessible to the operator to whom good decisionmaking is delegated"

19:14:24 mike_c: ah, sry

19:14:30 mircea_popescu: <mike_c> i'm with ThickAsThieves. debating love is like debating religion. nobody is going to change their mind. << the point oif the discussion is not to change mind.

19:14:43 ThickAsThieves: instead of love, generally debating matters of taste and emotion is meh

19:14:49 mircea_popescu: but why ?

19:15:00 mike_c: meh, you philosophers. why discuss if nobody learns anything and grows/changes?

19:15:01 mircea_popescu: how the hell is taste to emerge, if not from the public discussion of individual preference ?

19:15:13 mircea_popescu: mike_c learning != changing mind.

19:15:15 ThickAsThieves: because each person has different value systems

19:15:16 benkay: oh i'm learning piles!

19:15:22 ThickAsThieves: and different biology

19:15:23 mircea_popescu: you can learn plenty without changing your mind.

19:15:33 benkay: more or less why i'm here...

19:15:41 ThickAsThieves: note my point of contention was the idea of a winner

19:15:54 ThickAsThieves: if you just want discourse, i agree it's healthy

19:16:03 ThickAsThieves: but no one is better or right

19:16:05 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i definitely don't propose there's a winner. the dispute of which is more complex a tool does not map on the discussion of which is a better tool.

19:16:08 mike_c: well, perhaps love is different. with religion, nobody will accept any learning because they are too invested in their current system.

19:16:21 mircea_popescu: mike_c this is false on its face. i'm a religious scholar.

19:16:25 kakobrekla: both is scam.

19:16:39 mike_c: a religious scholar is entirely different from a religiuos person

19:16:40 ThickAsThieves: it's all scams

19:16:51 mike_c: go teach danielpbarron *anything*

19:16:51 mircea_popescu: mike_c your contention was "discussing religion"

19:17:28 benkay: lovecoin a scam?

19:17:30 mircea_popescu: lol what did he do

19:17:39 mircea_popescu: benkay coin a lovescam.

19:17:46 mike_c: to expand: discussing differing religious viewpoints.

19:18:01 mike_c: this is different from discussing religious matters that you do not personally hold.

19:18:01 ThickAsThieves: not the same as love

19:18:06 mircea_popescu: mike_c we're not discussing religious viewpoints, nor are we doing the equivalent for fuckpreferences.

19:18:06 ThickAsThieves: you can be wrong

19:18:24 mike_c: holy pedantics.

19:18:24 mircea_popescu: we are discussing something much broader than that, specifically the limits of agency, human knowledge and so on.

19:18:43 mike_c: who is "we"? we are having a discussion about whether you can discuss things

19:18:53 mircea_popescu: you and me, earlier, re slaves.

19:18:57 mircea_popescu: an' wives.

19:19:01 ThickAsThieves: we're meta silly now, debating whether we can debate

19:19:03 ThickAsThieves: sorry!

19:19:09 mike_c: were those not viewpoints that we personally hold? not simply ideas?

19:19:10 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i blame you

19:19:35 mircea_popescu: mike_c whether we hold them or not is irrelevant in that context.

19:20:03 mircea_popescu: the discussion was proceeding on the strength of what can be

19:20:09 mike_c: not to my point though. which is that discussing personally held viewpoints about religion is an exercise in head-to-wall banging.

19:20:29 mircea_popescu: not if the people in question are scholars rather than believers.

19:20:34 mike_c: yes, agreed.

19:20:44 *: mike_c high five

19:20:45 ThickAsThieves: no matter much fraudsters you read, the wife ain't gonna listen!

19:20:53 kakobrekla: doesnt even have to be belivers.

19:21:03 mircea_popescu: i have no particular reason to suspect you'd go nuts just because specific points you happen to be personally invested in turn out to be wrong or unsustainable.

19:21:22 mircea_popescu: otherwise, how's one to discuss investments ?

19:21:24 mike_c: more to the point, i am willing to accept that is possible

19:21:35 mike_c: religious believers are not

19:21:35 mircea_popescu: it'd be all "o, you can't talk good accountingpractices with people who own x stock"

19:21:40 mircea_popescu: well... depends now dunnit.

19:22:07 mike_c: religious believers will never "turn out to be wrong", so discussing is pointless

19:22:15 mircea_popescu: people have often done 180 degree about faces talking here. and those who can't gather on forum not here. so all's well, even if we are invested

19:22:31 mike_c: ^ not about religion.

19:22:50 mircea_popescu: money and sex.

19:22:54 mircea_popescu: religion is an afterthought.

19:24:09 mike_c: more to the point, let's discuss whether debating discussion is a good idea ;)

19:24:24 mircea_popescu: luckily, anything's ontopic in #bitcoin-assets

19:24:39 mircea_popescu: mostly because everything's the same thing anyway.

19:25:35 mircea_popescu: <ThickAsThieves> no matter much fraudsters you read, the wife ain't gonna listen! << this sounds like a cry for halp

19:25:50 mircea_popescu: !up the20year

19:25:52 mircea_popescu: ;;ident the20year

19:25:52 gribble: Nick 'the20year', with hostmask 'the20year!~the20year@50.41.153.63', is identified as user 'the20year', with GPG key id 359D91C634AE8E53, key fingerprint DF515FC27907A1FC3236C7E8359D91C634AE8E53, and bitcoin address None

19:26:03 mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot the20year

19:26:04 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask the20year!~the20year@50.41.153.63. Trust relationship from user assbot to user the20year: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=the20year | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=the20year | Rated since: Tue Apr 29 11:21:55 2014

19:26:12 mircea_popescu: the20year if you pm assbot !up what does itsay ?

19:26:19 the20year: (3:25:22 PM) Cannot send to channel

19:26:23 mircea_popescu: PM.

19:26:25 the20year: !up the20year

19:26:31 mircea_popescu: you gotta pm it.

19:26:34 the20year: ah

19:27:15 the20year: pm gribble?

19:27:36 mircea_popescu: assbot

19:27:40 the20year: k

19:28:16 mike_c: hey the20year. so your brother is HASH?

19:28:26 the20year: yes

19:29:00 mike_c: is he in the wot yet?

19:29:21 the20year: ;;gettrust assbot mrstickball

19:29:21 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user mrstickball: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=mrstickball | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mrstickball | Rated since: Fri Jul 5 18:09:54 2013

19:29:40 mike_c: ;;gettrust the20year mrstickball

19:29:40 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user the20year to user mrstickball: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=the20year&dest=mrstickball | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mrstickball | Rated since: Fri Jul 5 18:09:54 2013

19:29:53 mike_c: well that better not be him, you don't even trust that guy!

19:30:04 the20year: yeah, i need to issue him trust

19:30:22 mircea_popescu: the20year you and mrstickball_ are brothers ?

19:30:27 the20year: twins actually

19:30:34 mircea_popescu: uh. what ?!

19:30:47 the20year: i'm pretty sure we're a chubbier version of the winklevoss twins, younger and not connected to FB

19:31:08 mircea_popescu: did you ever pull a switch on a girl ?

19:31:16 mike_c: !up mrstickball_

19:31:19 the20year: nah , everyone assumes we have though

19:31:27 the20year: all the girls we know/have known could tell the difference

19:31:28 mircea_popescu: because if they had a twin they'd do it all the time.

19:31:29 mrstickball_: mircea_popescu: yes?

19:31:32 the20year: usually it's family that gets confused

19:31:45 mircea_popescu: mrstickball_ hai.

19:32:21 mike_c: mrstickball_: you have any experience running a mining farm?

19:32:24 benkay: <the20year> i'm pretty sure we're a chubbier version of the winklevoss twins, younger and not connected to FB // shorter too, indubitably

19:32:27 mrstickball_: mike_c: yes

19:32:32 the20year: he does, i don't

19:32:34 mike_c: how big?

19:32:42 mrstickball_: mike_c: primarily GPUs

19:32:48 mircea_popescu: twins are what, 4 ppm. so actually b-a has a statistically expected number of twins.

19:32:48 mrstickball_: 25+ GPU rigs

19:32:48 the20year: i'd say about 20x50ft of gpus?

19:33:03 mrstickball_: working on more ASIC deployment in the near future

19:33:17 the20year: don't forget the slaves he has in the shop working for him too

19:33:19 mircea_popescu: mrstickball_ can you code ?

19:33:30 mrstickball_: not as well as I should

19:33:55 mike_c: this seems.. incredibly ambitious. you are going to manufacture & sell your own miners, and run a profitable mining farm.

19:34:17 mircea_popescu: mike_c chineze dood did it...

19:34:24 the20year: he's been extremely profitable on his own sales side, and has done decently running the farm

19:34:25 mrstickball_: mike_c: Manufacture is down the road significantly

19:34:45 mrstickball_: Step 1 is more hardware sales and initial deployment of a larger ASIC-based facility

19:34:53 the20year: Step 2 is hire slaves

19:35:01 mircea_popescu: mrstickball_ hardware sales, as in gpus ?

19:35:02 mike_c: wives work harder

19:35:03 mrstickball_: we've already grossed ~$1m USD in the past 12mo on hardware. Unfortunately, capital is a huge bottleneck

19:35:04 the20year: Well, i should say - more slaves

19:35:11 mrstickball_: mircea_popescu: ASICs, and a lot of accessories

19:35:17 mircea_popescu: so what, you resell ?

19:35:22 mrstickball_: generally, yes

19:35:30 mike_c: http://buyahash.com/

19:35:32 assbot: Bitcoin Mining Hardware | Asic Mining Hardware

19:35:32 mrstickball_: we do have some custom-fabricated equipment

19:35:35 mircea_popescu: so what's the biz model like, buy a bulk and sell by item ?

19:35:50 mrstickball_: mircea_popescu: yes, generally

19:36:18 mircea_popescu: fluffypony makes racks and whatnot, if you need it

19:36:28 mrstickball_: I've done a fair bit of business with Riccardo

19:36:30 mrstickball_: very good guy

19:36:34 fluffypony: ;;rated mrstickball_

19:36:34 gribble: You have not yet rated user mrstickball_

19:36:35 fluffypony: ;;rated mrstickball

19:36:36 mircea_popescu: ah, you know each other

19:36:36 gribble: You rated user mrstickball on Thu Apr 17 18:13:39 2014, with a rating of 4, and supplied these additional notes: runs buy-a-hash, which carries openrigs products, and have had several large financial interactions (purchases/sales).

19:36:37 fluffypony: :)

19:36:47 mircea_popescu: dash threw me :p

19:36:50 fluffypony: das WoT!

19:36:53 mrstickball_: Yes. fluffypony bought a few dozen risers off of me ages ago

19:37:25 mircea_popescu: now all we really need is for someone to implement the wol pow.

19:37:43 fluffypony: Proof of WoT!

19:37:46 mrstickball_: hardware sales in the US is extremely lucrative

19:38:04 mrstickball_: no one does a good job of it. That's why we're working on capital to get a larger building and control a larger portion of the market

19:38:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15350 @ 0.00082185 = 12.6154 BTC [+]

19:38:42 kakobrekla: i read that, i think herbalife.

19:38:44 kakobrekla: lol

19:38:50 the20year: or walmart

19:38:51 mrstickball_: lol

19:39:03 the20year: They're just a dirty reseller too

19:39:15 mrstickball_: kakobrekla: when we announced that we had S3's in stock, we made $5,000 in 8 minutes

19:39:30 mike_c: mrstickball_: why such low profit margins?

19:39:37 mike_c: $40k on $1m?

19:39:49 mrstickball_: mike_c: bit higher than that after expenses, ect

19:40:18 mrstickball_: probably closer to $75-100k after all overhead. One issue that we had was some of our merchant processors have screwed us over

19:40:35 the20year: mircea_popescu: how are those bitcoin flyers coming along?

19:40:38 mike_c: interesting. lots of fiat sales?

19:40:43 mrstickball_: + we reinvest in inventory very frequently, so profits don't always show up on the books very quickly. I have $25,000 worth of risers behind my desk

19:40:50 mrstickball_: mike_c: yes. That is our primary angle

19:41:05 mrstickball_: we're willing to engage in fiat sales for crypto hardware. Most companies can't navigate that well

19:41:27 mike_c: heh, including you so far :) if you're having processing problems

19:41:28 mircea_popescu: the20year iirc nubbins said august ?

19:41:34 mrstickball_: most customers are willing to pay a 10-15% premium if your company is willing to do with fiat

19:41:40 the20year: Alright, cool

19:41:54 mrstickball_: mike_c: that was last year. We've had those fixed for months. But CC processors are essentially criminals that can hold your money for up to 6 months

19:41:54 mike_c: well good luck with IPO

19:41:56 the20year: How much $$ was lost last year in processing fraud and that whole gambit? $25k?

19:42:00 kakobrekla: on a side note, my intel tells me altchains are suffering - noone is hashing. i would expect non asic stuff will take time to sell.

19:42:05 mrstickball_: mike_c: thanks. It will be interesting

19:42:28 mrstickball_: kakobrekla: that is correct. Back in January, during the last big GPU rush, we were trying to beat the Chinese on sales

19:42:41 mrstickball_: there was a period of time we were pushing $5,000/day in riser sales with a 100-300% profit margin

19:43:02 the20year: On a good note, I had a very positive call today from a bank to wants to lend to rentalstarter

19:43:12 mrstickball_: Unfortunately, when Chinese New Years hit, our factory (and every other) went down. Seemingly when they came back up, some factories re-evaluated their position to move to direct-sales and hurt us a bit

19:43:31 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla altchains are kinda doomed

19:43:33 fluffypony: great logo: http://i.imgur.com/n9vBs60.jpg

19:43:42 kakobrekla: mircea_popescu its not news to me

19:44:07 mrstickball_: the vast majority of alts have no purpose and no reason to exist

19:44:08 kakobrekla: i told fluffy this will happen months ago

19:44:23 mircea_popescu: a little attrition is a great thing anyway.

19:44:43 mrstickball_: I wonder which ones survive... I am kind of sad to see Curecoin being so terrible when they were getting a lot of attention for curing cancer

19:45:03 kakobrekla: ;;s shrani

19:45:04 gribble: Error: "s" is not a valid command.

19:45:09 kakobrekla: !s shrani

19:45:09 assbot: 0 results for 'shrani' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=shrani

19:45:13 kakobrekla: meh

19:45:39 kakobrekla: mrstickball_ http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-07-2014#767022

19:45:40 assbot: #bitcoin-assets log

19:45:54 mircea_popescu: a small amount of fail.

19:46:20 mrstickball_: wow

19:46:22 the20year: maybe those itty bitty transactions will grow to big people one day

19:46:27 mrstickball_: I had no idea those coins were so dire

19:46:36 mrstickball_: I knew quark was dying, but that bad? Wow

19:46:48 mrstickball_: I had a friend cash out of it back in the glory days. We CPU mined a few hundred thousand

19:46:56 mrstickball_: but I sold them, thinking they would never go anywhere

19:48:34 kakobrekla: 'bolje prvi na vasi kakor zadnji v mestu' they say.

19:50:26 fluffypony: http://i.imgur.com/87isRF1.jpg

19:50:30 mrstickball_: very true

19:50:39 mrstickball_: I had a friend that made about $3,000 off of it on a single PC

19:51:11 ThickAsThieves: where can i find the date of each diff change?

19:51:16 mrstickball_: sure

19:51:25 mrstickball_: https://bitcoinwisdom.com/bitcoin/difficulty

19:51:25 assbot: Bitcoin Difficulty and Hashrate Chart - BitcoinWisdom

19:51:29 kakobrekla: in your local blockchain file tat

19:51:39 mrstickball_: look at the bottom, below the charts. Its not comprehensive, but goes back a few months

19:51:48 mircea_popescu: fluffypony lol why not market it as a soup stirrer

19:51:52 mrstickball_: So what fun things are you up to, ThickAsThieves ?

19:51:57 ThickAsThieves: thx!

19:52:02 mrstickball_: Also, is anyone going to Cryptolina in North Carolina?

19:52:09 ThickAsThieves: me, i read tea leaves mostly

19:53:08 mrstickball_: Very interesting. I can't stand tea

19:53:36 mircea_popescu: !s netflix

19:53:37 assbot: 63 results for 'netflix' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=netflix

19:53:42 ThickAsThieves: i go back and forth

19:53:45 ThickAsThieves: !s nflx

19:53:46 assbot: 14 results for 'nflx' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=nflx

19:53:51 mircea_popescu: basically hes' been mostly doing netflix these days. getting fat on teh couch

19:53:55 ThickAsThieves: coffee mode lately

19:55:04 mrstickball_: FWIW, if anyone is going to that conference, I'll gladly take them out for dinner as a member of #bitcoin-assets

19:55:53 ThickAsThieves: not a fan of NC

19:57:06 mrstickball_: its been a long time since I've been there

19:57:09 mrstickball_: hi bitcoinpete

19:58:04 bitcoinpete: howdy mrstickball_

19:58:11 bitcoinpete: who are you again?

19:58:31 mrstickball_: my name is Ben

19:59:07 bitcoinpete: and what do you do, Ben?

20:00:07 mircea_popescu: do we mostly have bens here ?

20:00:11 BingoBoingo: %t

20:00:12 atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 210 Ask: 230 Last Price: 210 24h-Vol: 78k High: 210 Low: 210 VWAP: 209

20:00:21 mrstickball_: run a business

20:00:32 mrstickball_: I think you were talking about it yesterday

20:00:33 mrstickball_: HASH

20:01:31 bitcoinpete: ey no way

20:01:35 mrstickball_: yeah

20:01:41 bitcoinpete: the new havelock thingy

20:01:45 mrstickball_: Correct

20:02:44 bitcoinpete: so if i understand correctly, you're buying and selling mining equipment on ebay, mining on your own, and you need to ipo because… ?

20:03:49 mircea_popescu: ;;google mo money mo money have a look an' here we go

20:03:50 gribble: Mo' money, mo' problems, not how I see, huh – Paperbond: http://rapgenius.com/1264769/Wiz-khalifa-paperbond/Mo-money-mo-problems-not-how-i-see-huh; NOTORIOUS B.I.G. LYRICS - Mo Money Mo Problems - A-Z Lyrics: http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/notoriousbig/momoneymoproblems.html; Mo Money Mo Problems - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: (1 more message)

20:04:51 bitcoinpete: notorious would've loved bitcoin ipos: mo of other people's money and no problems!

20:05:13 mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKgPTkIulEI

20:05:13 assbot: Mad Men: The Best Things in Life Are Free - Bert Cooper - YouTube

20:05:22 pankkake: http://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/2bozou/fanboi_mods_remove_uncomfortable_facts_about/

20:05:22 assbot: Fanboi mods remove uncomfortable facts about Peter Todd within minutes : Buttcoin

20:05:32 ThickAsThieves: ;;google OPP

20:05:33 gribble: O.P.P. (song) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O.P.P._(song); Urban Dictionary: OPP: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=OPP; O.P.P. - Naughty By Nature (HQ Audio) - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xGuGSDsDrM

20:05:58 bitcoinpete: mrstickball_: are you a regular reader of the logs then?

20:06:10 ThickAsThieves: ;;bcstats

20:06:12 gribble: Current Blocks: 312469 | Current Difficulty: 1.733631697850783E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 312479 | Next Difficulty In: 10 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 hour, 28 minutes, and 20 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 18755529721.5 | Estimated Percent Change: 8.18636

20:06:16 bitcoinpete: cuz we mention all kinds of people and they rarely show up

20:06:37 bitcoinpete: personally, having anthony or vitalik here would be shweeeet

20:07:02 bitcoinpete: watching them try to explain wtf a "smart contract" even is…

20:07:18 bitcoinpete: maybe we should make them a sexy video?

20:08:46 ThickAsThieves: !up mrstickball_

20:08:52 mrstickball_: thank you!

20:08:56 ThickAsThieves: np

20:08:56 mike_c: they don't deserve a video

20:09:04 mrstickball_: Re: Your question about capital

20:09:15 mrstickball_: or the IPO, rather

20:09:39 BingoBoingo: %ob

20:09:41 atcbot: 30k@278 18k@242 42k@239 | 60k@210 45k@201 400k@199

20:09:47 mrstickball_: I/we have enough capital to continue ad-nauseum at about $100k of inventory. The problem is that we cannot grow beyond that, because of overhead (paying 2 employees, a building, ect)

20:10:34 mrstickball_: Given the track record of how we've sold products, the belief is that more capital can be assigned to leverage better deals with manufacturers, and simply do more business, since the overhead and other costs are static at this point

20:11:07 mrstickball_: additionally, it turns out that our HQ is a few miles away from one of the largest PC retailers in the US - Micro Center

20:11:23 mrstickball_: they want crypto products, and want us to supply them. But we can't swing $250,000 of inventory on a net-30 payment model

20:11:42 mrstickball_: especially when our margins to them are about 10% after packaging and logistics costs

20:11:58 mircea_popescu: mrstickball_ yeah but i mean... so then why commit suicide with havelock lol

20:12:18 mrstickball_: because I couldn't commit suicide with you, Mr Popescu :-)

20:12:39 BingoBoingo: http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/58213328-78/byrge-police-wrote-candidate.html.csp

20:12:39 assbot: Legislative candidate faces kidnapping, assault charges | The Salt Lake Tribune

20:13:32 BingoBoingo: If a candidate for the legislature can pistol whip a motherfucker for not paying their pain pill debt...

20:14:28 bitcoinpete: @slushcz: I'm so overworked that I even cannot celebrate that we've shipped all #bitcoin #trezor preorders few moments ago.

20:14:43 mrstickball_: bitcoinpete: congrats!

20:15:04 mrstickball_: who are you using to get the trezor's shipped out with?

20:15:30 bitcoinpete: mrstickball_: a see, i'm not slushcz… https://twitter.com/slushcz/status/492748527689547776

20:15:36 BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete =/= Slush

20:15:40 mrstickball_: my apologies

20:15:43 mircea_popescu: poor slush.

20:16:28 mrstickball_: I figured you were famous, and assumed it was you, bitcoinpete

20:16:31 bitcoinpete: mrstickball_: not at all. i haven't produced anything more tangible than a blog. slush sold $200 dongles for 2btc each

20:16:41 mrstickball_: Crazy

20:17:09 bitcoinpete: mrstickball_: famous? me? only in the 1% ;)

20:18:28 mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete they sold for 2 btc long ago tho neh ?

20:18:47 bitcoinpete: last summer iirc

20:18:48 rithm: there's a 1%?

20:18:52 mrstickball_: I can't imagine fab costs on that

20:19:05 mrstickball_: $10? $20?

20:19:23 bitcoinpete: 12 months ago *is* a pretty long time…

20:19:24 mrstickball_: maybe $25 with the fancy LCD screen

20:19:51 bitcoinpete: maybe he broke the bank on all dat entropeez

20:19:52 mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete in fairness a year ago btc was what, less than $100

20:20:04 mrstickball_: about $75

20:20:29 mrstickball_: Its about at the bottom of the post-April crash

20:21:08 bitcoinpete: $90 a year ago today

20:21:19 mrstickball_: ah

20:21:20 penguirker: New blog post: http://fraudsters.com/2014/the-myth-of-the-us-social-mobility/

20:21:33 bitcoinpete: at last...

20:23:43 chetty: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-life/10982423/British-students-vagina-pants-are-anatomically-correct.html

20:23:44 assbot: British student's vagina pants are anatomically correct - Telegraph

20:24:30 bitcoinpete: mrstickball_: contact says you're in hk… https://www.havelockinvestments.com/fund.php?symbol=HASH

20:24:31 assbot: Havelock Investments

20:24:56 mrstickball_: company is in HK. I am the POC for the US side of things

20:25:34 mircea_popescu: chetty im pretty sure ovaries are higher in the girl

20:25:48 mircea_popescu: that'd be her hip.

20:26:15 mircea_popescu: mrstickball_ person of color ?

20:26:27 chetty: looks about right to me

20:27:02 mrstickball_: not that I am aware of, mircea_popescu

20:27:30 mircea_popescu: chetty the acetabulum is exactly directly under where the ovary's painted.

20:27:52 mircea_popescu: mrstickball_ well then what, piece of cake ? are you in film ?

20:28:14 mrstickball_: I am not sure what you're getting at?

20:28:27 mircea_popescu: ;;ud poc

20:28:32 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=poc | poc. people of color, as in everybody except caucasians. Why is economic and political power in the hands of white folks if poc together make a majority?

20:28:52 mrstickball_: ah, sorry

20:28:54 mrstickball_: point of contact

20:29:10 mrstickball_: My mind is not fully with me. Not enough sleep last night

20:29:41 mircea_popescu: what's a point of contact do ?

20:30:18 mrstickball_: answer questions/deal with whatever needs to be done

20:32:55 mircea_popescu: ic.

20:33:35 mircea_popescu: lulz of the day : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Bernard_Shaw

20:33:35 assbot: George Bernard Shaw - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

20:33:41 mircea_popescu: according to wikipedia, shaw was "an ardent socialist".

20:34:09 chetty: wasnt he a founder of the Fabians?

20:34:12 mrstickball_: Thomas Sowell has a lot of great Shaw quotes in his books

20:34:13 mircea_popescu: ahh looking forward to some bitcoin history rewriting of our own. didja know obama was an ardent elitist ?

20:34:16 mircea_popescu: heard it here first.

20:34:53 mircea_popescu: chetty guy was an ardent NATIONAL socialist. that's a nazi.

20:35:22 mrstickball_: but he was on the side of the good-guy nazis

20:35:25 mrstickball_: not the bad-guy nazis

20:35:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 78 @ 0.014889 = 1.1613 BTC [+]

20:35:52 chetty: eh if it ends in 'ist' its a bad idea

20:36:44 mircea_popescu: right right.

20:37:13 mircea_popescu: i had no idea libertards had progressed past being embarassed by the fact that nobody in the classical period agreed with their nonsense into outright claiming they did.

20:37:27 mircea_popescu: to hear stalin tell it, lenin was not only a major stalinist but he didn't think much of trotski either.

20:38:07 chetty: eh Obama has been claiming Regan would have agreed with him lately

20:38:41 mircea_popescu: im sure everyone's in agreement with obama : change is now imperatively necessary.

20:38:53 benkay: only change i want is bear market now

20:41:48 BingoBoingo: benkay> only change i want is beer market now << FTFY

20:42:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 42 @ 0.01495592 = 0.6281 BTC [-] {2}

20:43:59 mircea_popescu: there is a beer market.

20:45:38 chetty: Pres Obama supports letting Central Americans apply for US refugee status in their home countries, rather than taking a dangerous journey.

20:45:44 benkay: mircea_popescu: is there a microbrew market in bsas?

20:46:15 mircea_popescu: i have no idea. not much of a beer guy myself.

20:46:20 benkay: yeah, i can tell.

20:46:31 mircea_popescu: what gave it away ben ?

20:46:36 benkay: ew don't call me that

20:47:03 benkay: uh the constant harping on cognac and champagne?

20:48:09 chetty: http://thesaurus.com/browse/obstructionist

20:48:10 assbot: Obstructionist Synonyms, Obstructionist Antonyms | Thesaurus.com

20:48:10 mircea_popescu: you know every time someone misses a tab you'll be ben instead of benkay

20:49:00 benkay: guess i'm due for a nick change then

20:49:04 mircea_popescu: chetty i dunno, i thought obstructionist is someone who opposes a process for emotional rather than rational reasons.

20:50:52 mircea_popescu: The fluffy pony community is divided into two communities: abuse and hugbox. Abusers are people who often write stories or draw pictures of fluffy ponies being tortured and often killed by being attacked by humans, being attacked by animals, burning to death with fire or acid, getting cut in half, drowning, etc. These abusers often attack fluffy ponies because of their low intelligence, bratty and childlike personality

20:50:52 mircea_popescu: , physical weakness, destruction of harvest, and overpopulation. Fluffy Ponies can often die from their own stupidity such as falling off a cliff when attempting to fly, getting run over by a car because they thought it was a friend, eating bad foods, etc. Some abusers often abuse fluffy ponies as if they were clearing out a vermin infestation, while others abuse them for bad deeds such as defecating at the wrong place

20:50:56 mircea_popescu: (bad poopies) or a mare killing their own baby because of being born a runt (bad babbeh). Abusers consist of the majority of the site Fluffybooru with Ginger_Fig, Mwike, and deathproofpony being the most notable examples.

20:51:00 mircea_popescu: holy shit sherlock!

20:52:46 chetty: its just the newspeak definiton of obstructionist, anybody that doesn't agree with libtards

20:58:18 benkay: lol i just checked my bitbet referral addr

20:58:37 benkay: maybe i should resume blogging

20:59:49 chetty: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Btau4jfIQAAYTot.jpg

21:00:08 pankkake: "Bandwidth Limit Exceeded" for a almost text only static blog, lol

21:00:40 pankkake: lol, with that reactor on top, right

21:02:19 pankkake: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_gun this always cracks me up by the way

21:02:19 assbot: Chicken gun - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

21:05:16 mircea_popescu: benkay why did you stop anyway

21:06:29 benkay: !s benkay blog

21:06:30 assbot: 71 results for 'benkay blog' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=benkay+blog

21:06:45 benkay: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-07-2014#759236

21:06:46 assbot: #bitcoin-assets log

21:07:12 mircea_popescu: if that' sthe case you'r doing something wrong.

21:07:20 benkay: yeah?

21:08:08 benkay: what's the right way to do it?

21:08:11 mircea_popescu: i think so yeah.

21:08:14 mircea_popescu: well now that i dunno.

21:08:40 mike_c: 1) make blog 2) slap on btcalpha bitbet referral image 3) retire

21:08:48 mike_c: just ask TaT

21:09:02 benkay: mike_c: that's where this conversation started.

21:09:19 benkay: <benkay> lol i just checked my bitbet referral addr

21:09:19 benkay: <benkay> maybe i should resume blogging

21:09:19 benkay:

21:09:35 benkay: mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-07-2014#759254

21:09:35 assbot: #bitcoin-assets log

21:09:44 mike_c: your referral addy got some hits or dried up? i was confused.

21:10:56 benkay: got some coins dumped into it

21:11:03 mike_c: nice

21:11:18 benkay: yeah

21:11:40 mircea_popescu: pigeons: my stocks went down too, but the price doesn't matter, i'll just take a temporary loss and not sell. how long is temporary? << you don't understand what loss means in this context.

21:11:51 mircea_popescu: anyone ever is thrilled to take a taxable-income-loss.

21:13:09 moiety: ThickAsThieves: omg does it really sound like i say cunt?! D;

21:14:24 mircea_popescu: mike_c very well known, 2004 : http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/3639679.stm 2008 : http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/04/16/password_security/

21:14:24 assbot: BBC NEWS | Technology | Passwords revealed by sweet deal

21:14:24 assbot: Women love chocolate more than password security The Register

21:14:32 mircea_popescu: funny how this never comes up in discussions about "women in tech"

21:15:23 mircea_popescu: artifexd: I come back from Ecuador and realize that they just banned bitcoin entirely because they're going to make their own cryptocurrency. I guess my wife was right all along when she said Correa was a dumb ass. <<< let the kids have their fun.

21:15:59 chetty: well I bet males give up passwords pretty easy too, just different incentives

21:16:16 mike_c: ah. this is a good point. chocolate is just wrong bait.

21:16:18 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: lots of text for 1btc. << funny how little money the vocal periphery actually controls.

21:16:32 mircea_popescu: peter schif and amgi metals are worth 1 disposable btc ? lulzk.

21:17:02 mircea_popescu: mike_c this is factually true. no govt drone ever kept a secret when tits were nude on the table.

21:17:20 mike_c: oldest spy trick in the book

21:18:55 mircea_popescu: anyway, gold btc price bets don't seem to garner much interest these days http://bitbet.us/bet/977/btc-price-to-rise-above-1oz-of-gold/

21:18:56 assbot: BitBet - BTC price to rise above 1oz of gold before November :: 0.19 B (37%) on Yes, 0.32 B (63%) on No | closing in 2 months 1 week| weight: 74`918 (100`000 to 1)

21:19:45 mircea_popescu: i guess schiff / macaskill can claim moar bet volume than bitbet on that one lol.

21:20:14 mircea_popescu: o, nm, there's more http://bitbet.us/bet/976/btc-price-to-rise-above-1oz-of-gold/

21:20:14 assbot: BitBet - BTC price to rise above 1oz of gold :: 1.04 B (80%) on Yes, 0.26 B (20%) on No | closing in 9 months 1 week| weight: 92`472 (100`000 to 1)

21:20:15 mircea_popescu: awell.

21:20:52 mike_c: nobody on bitbet would be dumb enough to bet on gold against btc in 5 years

21:21:15 mircea_popescu: it's a hedge i guess.

21:21:20 mike_c: it's 80% yes on a 9 month bet

21:21:48 mircea_popescu: "Rather, the decline is cyclical and as the economy improves, Furman said, millennial headship rates will improve, which could translate into eventual ownership." <<< ahahaha no fucking way.

21:22:04 mircea_popescu: what headship ? millenials want to live in herds, as slaves, with a master.

21:22:09 mircea_popescu: this is what subreddits are all about.

21:22:26 mircea_popescu: five to ten young men in a living unit, three to six young women.

21:22:26 benkay: i don't know anyone my age who seriously thinks they'll be buying a house anywhere anytime soon

21:22:36 mircea_popescu: benkay that's not even it. HEADSHIP.

21:22:39 mircea_popescu: you know what that is ?

21:22:50 benkay: nfc

21:22:55 mircea_popescu: ok, lemme clue you in.

21:23:04 benkay: leadership summat?

21:23:06 benkay: please

21:23:16 mircea_popescu: headship is the internalised delusion that it is worth your while to regard the world so that if a water pipe breaks you pay for it to be fixed.

21:23:23 mircea_popescu: rather than shrug and call the landlord.

21:23:50 mircea_popescu: basically, it's like being a parent, except for no benefit and much more upfront expenditure of skill and resources.

21:24:07 mike_c: kakobrekla: updating hourly now.

21:24:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36100 @ 0.00082266 = 29.698 BTC [+] {2}

21:24:31 benkay: wth

21:24:33 benkay: who does that

21:24:40 mircea_popescu: benkay your parents, and other idiots thatr age.

21:24:49 mircea_popescu: this is why headship is so impoirtant in discussions of "economy" on the govt side :

21:24:58 BingoBoingo: !mpif

21:24:58 assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021707 B (Total: 474.69 B). Delta: -0.59 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00019 BTC [-]

21:24:59 mircea_popescu: the headship count is a rough proxy for how much money the govt could steal in ap inh

21:24:59 benkay: hang on headship applies if you own as well?

21:25:07 mircea_popescu: in a pinch*

21:25:18 mike_c: what did jurov mean before? "jurov:mircea_popescu: looks like the F.MPIF perpetrator wants to withdraw"

21:25:22 mircea_popescu: benkay well yes. you "own" it so here's what the govt wants from you now.

21:25:32 mircea_popescu: a) that you go fight in iraq ; b) that you pay for X Y Z

21:25:36 mircea_popescu: c) that you so and so.

21:25:49 mircea_popescu: mike_c i took it to mean that he wants deposits flushed.

21:25:53 mircea_popescu: if he didn't, tough for him.

21:26:10 mike_c: ah ah. i thought somebody was trying to back out of a trade (which is obviously silly)

21:26:31 mircea_popescu: i have nfi how that'd work lol.

21:26:38 *: benkay is so confused

21:26:44 mike_c: yes, hence my confusion when you said you were on it :)

21:27:02 jurov: mike_c certain dude who sold mpif did it on coinbr

21:27:09 jurov: and wanted to withdraw

21:27:20 mike_c: i get it now. i was like "there's a mpex undo button??"

21:27:32 jurov: since it was quite a sum, i proceeded to withdraw directly from mpex

21:27:39 jurov: and then asked mircea to flush

21:28:55 mircea_popescu: share with the group benkay .

21:29:36 BingoBoingo: !up fats_cd03

21:29:43 jurov: we have this variety speak with mircea

21:30:00 fats_cd03: hi qts

21:30:08 mircea_popescu: and no one understands it when they read their morning logs.

21:30:10 mircea_popescu: !up ntio

21:30:16 mike_c: benkay: somebody dumped mpif to way below nav earlier today. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-07-2014#769094

21:30:16 assbot: #bitcoin-assets log

21:30:47 mircea_popescu: mike_c well, "Way below" in sanity land. in bitcoin... shit on havelock';s been trading 50-60% nav, so...

21:30:50 mircea_popescu: 10% no big deal.

21:31:14 benkay: mike_c: yeah, i saw that.

21:31:39 mike_c: yes. just selling 1 btc for 0.9 btc always strikes me as nuts. i guess if you need the liquidity.

21:31:49 benkay: mircea_popescu: i'm still confused about 'headship'. how is it a measure for pinchable assets? and how is fixing a pipe in a house you're paying the mortgage on a foolish thing?

21:32:12 mircea_popescu: benkay why would you be paying the upkeep of something you don't own ?

21:32:20 mircea_popescu: basically the us has been degrading ownership over the past decades

21:32:28 mircea_popescu: the attractiveness of ownership is slowly following

21:32:36 mircea_popescu: and they're trying to come to terms with this.

21:33:46 nubbins`: but without ownership, there cannot be pride!

21:33:58 mircea_popescu: why not ? reddit gold and karma.

21:34:07 nubbins`: flim-flammery!

21:34:13 mircea_popescu: l'enfer c'est l'autres, no ?

21:34:23 nubbins`: oui, c'est trop vrai

21:35:23 benkay: the thesis is that because there's no alloidal title in the us, one doesn't actually own the place?

21:35:25 benkay: mircea_popescu:

21:35:56 nubbins`: protip: read this line and its two predecessors in reverse order

21:36:07 assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0TSGNHD.txt )

21:36:07 nubbins`: !b 3

21:36:07 mircea_popescu: benkay as compared to the rights and privileges ownership conferred upon your grandfather, ownership confers nothing much to you today.

21:36:23 mircea_popescu: consequently, every able bodied male in your grandfather's age group tried desperately to own.

21:36:30 mircea_popescu: comparatively, your peers don't give a shit.

21:37:09 benkay: ah

21:37:13 nubbins`: giving up 'nothing much' in favor of 'nothing' :o

21:37:24 mircea_popescu: they measure how much of a shit your peers give under "headship"

21:37:40 chetty: we live in a disposable world, whats the point in owning trash

21:37:47 fluffypony: this is seriously impressive: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8b1zWOgOKA

21:37:47 assbot: Assassin's Creed Unity Meets Parkour in Real Life - 4K! - YouTube

21:37:49 mircea_popescu: and the difference between real value and actual headship is how much actual value (not printed dollars) "they have" stashed away in that particular accumulator.

21:38:40 mircea_popescu: benkay consider the reverse of this situation : during the azn crisis in the 2000s, people were queing up to donate their privately held gold to prop the centra lbank.

21:38:43 mircea_popescu: that's headship.

21:39:24 mircea_popescu: there's a very fine equilibrium between how popular a government is and how much support it can muster.

21:39:46 mircea_popescu: as things stand right now, if someone could somehow be bothered to invade, the us would simply collapse and that's that.

21:39:55 chetty: would anyone give the FED a dime?

21:40:37 mircea_popescu: would any of the people who target practice use their arms on the invaders or on the feds ?

21:41:01 chetty: enie meanie miny moe

21:41:16 mircea_popescu: no wonder gun ownership is perceioved as such a problem.

21:41:37 mircea_popescu: sure in an idealised, us-centric world as the naive represent thngs to be, a well armed citizenry is the guarantee and bla bla.

21:41:53 mircea_popescu: but in the real world of real politik, an armed opressed populace is fucking dangerous, it'll side with the enemy.

21:41:59 fluffypony: benkay / anyone else - if you come across someone really, really junior who has the barest smattering of C / C++ and is keen on a testing role that can grow into a dev role, please let me know

21:42:22 mircea_popescu: someone was actually doing hr for a living, lemme see here.

21:42:59 benkay: fluffypony: how many hours/wk, at what rate?

21:43:45 fluffypony: benkay: rate is negotiable, but I'm expecting junior junior;) I'd expect a weekly commitment of 15 - 40 hours

21:44:03 benkay: this is for a coin thing?

21:44:25 fluffypony: it's for two unrelated projects

21:44:37 benkay: ;;ticker

21:44:39 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 599.02, Best ask: 600.78, Bid-ask spread: 1.76000, Last trade: 600.78, 24 hour volume: 5045.56318982, 24 hour low: 592.97, 24 hour high: 609.65, 24 hour vwap: 600.697679446

21:44:48 benkay: ;;calc 1*[ticker]

21:44:49 gribble: Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)

21:44:53 benkay: ;;calc 1*[;;ticker]

21:44:53 gribble: Error: ";;ticker" is not a valid command.

21:45:03 benkay: dafuq does this thing want

21:45:55 benkay: fluffypony: by junior junior i imagine you want sub 0.1 B/hr

21:46:06 fluffypony: benkay: yes

21:46:19 mike_c: ;;calc 1 * [ticker --last]

21:46:20 gribble: 599.02

21:46:30 fluffypony: mike_c has the magic touch

21:46:37 mike_c: although it probably wanted you to multiply by 1 in your head

21:46:42 benkay: ;;calc 1 * [ticker]

21:46:44 gribble: Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)

21:46:47 mircea_popescu: benkay 0.01 should be enough for anyone.

21:47:01 benkay: well it was for the syntax, not the calculation, mike_c

21:47:19 benkay: six bucks/hr, mircea_popescu ?

21:47:26 mircea_popescu: benkay fiverrr

21:47:29 mike_c: i think it was thestringpuller that was always using calc for stuff like x / 100 :)

21:47:55 benkay: ;;bc24hrprc

21:47:56 gribble: Error: "bc24hrprc" is not a valid command.

21:47:57 benkay: bah

21:47:58 benkay: anyways

21:48:12 benkay: i got mouths to feed

21:48:36 BingoBoingo: http://yro.slashdot.org/story/14/07/25/2017202/russia-posts-110000-bounty-for-cracking-tors-privacy

21:48:38 assbot: Russia Posts $110,000 Bounty For Cracking Tor's Privacy - Slashdot

21:48:41 jurov: !up Lycerion

21:48:46 mike_c: ;;bc,24hprc

21:48:47 gribble: 602.03

21:49:04 mircea_popescu: surprising literally no one.

21:49:17 benkay: thanks, mike_c

21:49:24 penguirker: New blog post: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/07/25/the-same-thing/

21:50:03 mircea_popescu: !up mus1cb0x

21:50:16 mus1cb0x: hiya

21:50:20 mircea_popescu: ello.

21:50:30 mike_c: fluffypony: i might know a student interested in that deal. you want 15 hrs or 40 hrs? cuz he wouldn't have 40.

21:51:30 fluffypony: mike_c: it's up to what they can commit - I'm happy with a part time role as long as they stay commited and active

21:52:01 mike_c: ok, i will enquire. what's the range on pay

21:52:15 mike_c: or the low end, or whatever

21:53:37 fluffypony: mike_c: tough to say - I'd be expecting the BTC equivalent of anything from $10 to $15 hourly

21:54:10 mike_c: k

21:54:13 mircea_popescu: ;;seen RagnarDanneskjol

21:54:13 gribble: RagnarDanneskjol was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 weeks, 0 days, 19 hours, 5 minutes, and 34 seconds ago: <RagnarDanneskjol> Sachs is the Bono of economics - LOL

21:54:18 mircea_popescu: that long huh.

21:54:47 BingoBoingo: fluffypony: Wait, what are you hiring?

21:54:51 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell RagnarDanneskjol http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-07-2014#769804

21:54:51 assbot: #bitcoin-assets log

21:54:51 gribble: The operation succeeded.

21:54:53 fluffypony: BingoBoingo: tester

21:54:55 mircea_popescu: !up Mantrid

21:55:20 BingoBoingo: fluffypony: Like for your dildoes, your wife... what's being tested?

21:55:39 fluffypony: BingoBoingo: software tester, obviously, why would a dildo tester need to know a smattering of C / C++ :-P

21:56:36 BingoBoingo: fluffypony: to make sure the dildo doesn't smash its stack on exceptions

21:56:41 fluffypony: hah hah

21:56:52 fluffypony: depends on if we're using it as a back massager

21:58:41 mircea_popescu: . Among the top cities that may see a surge are Austin and Dallas in Texas, as well as Denver and Des Moines, Iowa.

21:58:44 mircea_popescu: des moines ? srsly ?

21:58:56 mircea_popescu: "i wanna move to des moines" said nobody ever.

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21:59:04 BingoBoingo: !b 3

21:59:34 mircea_popescu: this nuanced view is so nuanced it's about to collapse into a nuancelingularity.

22:00:11 BingoBoingo: Well Des Moines is prolly the only place to move if you want to be a gay married pig farmer...

22:00:57 bitcoinpete: sounds like the last refuge of the sane american

22:02:01 mike_c: it's all about percentages. des moines goes from 10 to 11 and population increased 10%!

22:02:54 mircea_popescu: 10 to 11 whats ?

22:03:20 BingoBoingo: ;;google spinal tap

22:03:20 gribble: Spinal Tap Fan Site and This is Spinal Tap: http://www.spinaltap.com/; Spinal Tap - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spinal_Tap; Spinal Tap (band) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spinal_Tap_(band)

22:15:33 benkay: turn it up to eleven!

22:16:18 bitcoinpete: ;;bc,stats

22:16:20 gribble: Current Blocks: 312481 | Current Difficulty: 1.8736441558310238E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 314495 | Next Difficulty In: 2014 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 6 hours, 43 minutes, and 54 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 24871389581.8 | Estimated Percent Change: 32.7434

22:17:33 decimation: lol from asciilifeform's millenial housing link: "At the same time, there?s good reason to believe that millennials, those ages 18 to 34, aren't that different from other generations and will pick up their purchasing before too long ", then the article proceeds to list reasons why they won't purchase

22:18:02 decimation: most of the "wealth" in the major metro areas is actually held in the housing stock

22:18:35 decimation: I wonder what percentage of households in say DC would be able to purchase their own home (assuming they didn't have their "house wealth)

22:18:52 mircea_popescu: 1%

22:19:30 mircea_popescu: !up bitspill

22:19:34 mircea_popescu: who spilled da bits ?

22:21:05 decimation: note that the areas that have increasing millennial home-buying are all low-cost areas that have escaped bezzle inflation: "Among the top cities that may see a surge are Austin and Dallas in Texas, as well as Denver and Des Moines, Iowa. "

22:21:13 mircea_popescu: yup

22:21:55 decimation: note those cities largely lack gov't jobs, and lack the primary patrons of bezzle money (big finance, welfare, defense contractors)

22:22:25 mircea_popescu: yup

22:22:44 bitcoinpete: http://fraudsters.com/2014/the-myth-of-the-us-social-mobility/#comment-103284

22:22:45 assbot: The myth of the US social mobility. pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

22:23:11 decimation: so we have a situation where people living in Bethesda have kids who have to move to Kansas because the people in Bethesda don't want to admit that they are poor

22:23:24 decimation: it's apparently easier to have your kids leave you than to admit that you suck

22:23:26 mircea_popescu: yup

22:23:30 mircea_popescu: i need a card.

22:23:38 decimation: heh

22:24:13 mircea_popescu: us folk can't admit they suck andmore than classical japanese can admit emperor is a dumbass.

22:24:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 99 @ 0.01152426 = 1.1409 BTC [-] {8}

22:25:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 268 @ 0.00294999 = 0.7906 BTC [+]

22:25:27 mircea_popescu: but that aside, kids moving away is a good thing anyway.

22:26:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 250 @ 0.00297716 = 0.7443 BTC [+] {3}

22:28:13 bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: how so?

22:28:24 bitcoinpete: not that i disagree...

22:31:09 mircea_popescu: individuation happens with hardship. the point of fambly sticking together is to control hardship through approaching it a certain way, much like a ship approaches waves a certain way.

22:31:14 mircea_popescu: the bow is not the kids.

22:32:01 mircea_popescu: if the average lifespan (esp for males) is in the low 40s, then sticking together family is perfect : by the time father croaks, kids are just old enough to pick up the pieces.

22:32:23 mircea_popescu: with 50+ age expectancy, this model is disastrous, basically if humans were a functional species sexual maturity'd skip a generation altogethere.

22:32:39 mircea_popescu: lookl at the british crown : the fact that charles actually reached sexual maturity is to the detriment of everyone.

22:32:48 mircea_popescu: might as well skipped him went straight from lizzie to the kids.

22:37:38 benkay: "the myth of US Social mobility is worse than mythical : it’s going the other way." // this is pretty well known among the 40-50 yo socialist set, and my generation seems to just accept it

22:37:58 benkay: "i'll die poor, what of it. let's have another pabst and talk about the latest pictures on instagram."

22:38:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 421 @ 0.0029775 = 1.2535 BTC [+]

22:39:08 decimation: there's some truth to that mircea. I suspect that the nuclear family was probably a reaction to this very problem

22:39:16 mircea_popescu: decimation obv.

22:39:25 mircea_popescu: benkay "imposing your will on the environment is evil anwyay"

22:39:38 mircea_popescu: this would be why columbia's wearing the stripes and seeing the stars.

22:39:47 decimation: The trouble is that in the case of the DC area, for instance, the parents also are taking up the economic opportunties

22:40:07 benkay: <mircea_popescu> this would be why columbia's wearing the stripes and seeing the stars. // pardon me?

22:40:19 mircea_popescu: benkay http://fraudsters.com/2014/just-how-much-do-you-know-about-washing-diapers/ scroll down

22:40:20 assbot: Just how much do you know about washing diapers ? pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

22:40:24 decimation: only so many gov't and indirect gov't jobs, and they are handed out in a FILO queue

22:44:12 benkay: i still don't understand. strips = stockings and stars = negroes?

22:44:18 benkay: just getting fucked hard?

22:44:28 mircea_popescu: well "seeing stars" is this you know, being hit

22:44:36 benkay: right i'm with you

22:45:05 benkay: columbia standing in for america. getting blapped over the head and wearing welts?

22:45:24 mircea_popescu: i guess this isn't my best joke.

22:46:37 benkay: or i'm retarded, take your pick.

22:46:53 benkay: maybe i'm just trying to get you to explain it and ruin teh lulz

22:58:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 14 @ 0.16199839 = 2.268 BTC [+] {2}

23:08:17 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: opressed populace... it'll side with the enemy << who will invade usa? martians? and should they invade, for what purpose other than rounding up inhabitants for biodiesel? one might suppose folks would support usg over biodiesel harvesters?

23:10:55 asciilifeform: tor prize << ad gone because prize claimed in five seconds. because contest was trivial.

23:12:48 asciilifeform: columbia's wearing the stripes and seeing the stars << http://thebrendans.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/screen-shot-2014-05-05-at-1-58-38-pm.png

23:23:18 DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, will spend time learning more about shares / dividends and mpex s.mg and after that I'll probably drop a nice presentation / documentation link you way and see if we can figure something out that works for both of us

23:23:31 mircea_popescu: DreadKnight not a bad idea.

23:23:39 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the arabs. because they're naive.

23:24:09 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: so, can you picture an american faction siding with arabs ?

23:24:52 DreadKnight: r*

23:24:53 mircea_popescu: yep.

23:25:35 DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, have you bothered with HoMM4 and the rest of the sequels?

23:25:38 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform happened once before you know ? how did they conquer ur ?

23:25:50 mircea_popescu: DreadKnight i tried them, for half a day.

23:25:52 mircea_popescu: pure crap.

23:26:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 100 @ 0.01181222 = 1.1812 BTC [+]

23:27:36 mircea_popescu: DreadKnight http://fraudsters.com/2010/eroii/ mostly for comments.

23:27:37 assbot: Eroii pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

23:28:13 DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, good; will check that out

23:40:06 DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, oh lols, seems it's one of your per fee articles, controversial approach for making money out of blogging :)

23:52:24 thestringpuller: hmm

23:57:37 moiety: every friday freenode has a stroke it seems

23:58:13 thestringpuller: i don't think I've seen you in sex week moiety

23:59:01 moiety: lots going on thestringpuller how are things with you?

23:59:17 DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, read the homm related comments, seen people defeating pretty much any neutral army without having many units of their own by exploiting the berserk spell in homm3, really OP, hypnotize can't compare overall; lame example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8DKlEbAv1U

23:59:17 assbot: How to defeat the 3500 Naga Queens in HOMM3's Dragon Slayer campaign. - YouTube

23:59:27 thestringpuller: I'm very glad it is Friday.

23:59:47 thestringpuller: Will probably play video games while I intoxicate myself at the pub up the street.