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00:01:40 asciilifeform: lamers.

00:02:36 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform exactly. the fiat economy is predicated on the theory that value may be constructed out of a trillion promises that each on and of itself is worthless

00:03:08 mircea_popescu: and the fiat state is predicated on the theory that productive work may be extracted out of assemblages of a trillion shitheads that by and of themselves are wholly incapable.

00:03:32 mircea_popescu: even at the risk of driving down legitimate promises and capable people, the theory goes, this is still a worthwhile endeavour.

00:03:36 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ae/Ilia_Efimovich_Repin_(1844-1930)_-_Volga_Boatmen_(1870-1873).jpg

00:04:08 mircea_popescu: o look at that! buskers!

00:04:43 asciilifeform: where i live, a 'busker' is a fellow playing, e.g., accordion on a steet, begging for pennies

00:04:53 mircea_popescu: same dress n'est pass ? same look ?

00:04:56 mircea_popescu: same cool.

00:04:57 asciilifeform: approximately.

00:05:30 asciilifeform: the folks pictured are бурлаки. (yes, we had a separate name for this occupation.)

00:05:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7152 @ 0.00063257 = 4.5241 BTC [+]

00:06:29 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: at any rate, what kind of machine is necessary, for what kind of load? just #b-a ?

00:07:21 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's not a matter of the machines per se tho.

00:07:28 mircea_popescu: i mean not that more will hurt, when-and-if.

00:07:32 cazalla: mircea_popescu, i have no report for today, been in bed best part of a week

00:07:41 mircea_popescu: cazalla new gf ?

00:08:13 cazalla: hardly, depressed more like it

00:08:33 asciilifeform: it's not a matter of the machines per se << of what, then ?

00:09:20 mircea_popescu: the guy to run the software package.

00:09:28 mircea_popescu: cazalla care to share with the group ?

00:13:04 cazalla: mircea_popescu, this pretty much http://pastebin.com/9sftKGAJ doctors say tldr

00:13:04 assbot: Head Area Tingling - on top of head, face, back of head, neck, shoulders, var - Pastebin.com

00:14:06 mircea_popescu: pinched nerve.

00:14:38 mircea_popescu: started with the tri, got the whole stack by now.

00:15:32 cazalla: i've had mri of neck, brain, cardiac ct, halter monitor, xrays, blood work, etc etc

00:15:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 905 @ 0.00063595 = 0.5755 BTC [+]

00:16:09 mircea_popescu: dja work out ?

00:16:15 cazalla: i use to

00:17:32 cazalla: so that's why i sometimes stay in bed for a week or 2 and just sleep the depression off

00:17:43 mircea_popescu: go work out. none of that high performance gym shit tho, this isn't to perform, this is to relax. ride a horse. swim. something sane.

00:18:01 mircea_popescu: fuck, for that matter, quite legitimate.

00:18:40 *: asciilifeform while reading about modern irc daemonology, learned that founder of freenode died of having-problems in '06.

00:19:27 cazalla: mircea_popescu, spring is due here so i'm going to do laps once it warms up a little

00:19:49 asciilifeform: (and he was publicly smeared in various ways, e.g. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/01/29/buy_a_piece_of_net)

00:19:49 assbot: 404: Page not found | The Register

00:19:50 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform pretty much yes.

00:20:08 mircea_popescu: cazalla you're not supposed to sit, but that's a splendid idea : pole dancing.

00:21:16 pete_dushenski: http://contravex.com/2014/08/24/for-states-small-is-beautiful/

00:21:18 assbot: For States, Small Is Beautiful | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski

00:21:27 pete_dushenski: off to a celebration dinner, just leaving this year.

00:21:29 pete_dushenski: night all!

00:21:36 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform to be perfectly fair, the guy wasn't keeping his finances in the best of orders (according to you know, the criteria required so you don't get called "a cult leader" by teh cult leadership). nevertheless, nothing nearly as bad as what the childfucker jimbo wales did in his day

00:21:44 pete_dushenski: s/year/here omfg

00:21:49 mircea_popescu: ironically, the very guy the entire clampdown on the internets exist to protect the internets for

00:22:02 mircea_popescu: gets to run a piece of shit "resource" that everyone pushes as if it were useful.

00:22:59 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-07-2014#749841

00:22:59 assbot: Logged on 09-07-2014 00:04:59; asciilifeform: pierce << ideal example of the animal described on one of mircea_popescu's essays - he could be packed into prison for life, any time, based on what's in his file. so he does as instructed.

00:23:34 mircea_popescu: obviously. but the convenience does not resolve the other angle. it's a ruinous association.

00:23:49 asciilifeform: example: pediwik page for nsa 'type a' - gone.

00:23:55 asciilifeform: perma-deleted.

00:24:02 mircea_popescu: "why do you hang out with these bums ?" "because they're the only people that call me a beauty queen", said the ambitious teenaged slut.

00:24:08 mircea_popescu: "well honey, that doesn't make them any less bums"

00:24:55 mircea_popescu: but yes, it's been for many decades now the established mo of the great "nation" of the united states : to grow an inch, cut an inch off the measuring tape.

00:25:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 19 @ 0.29447997 = 5.5951 BTC [+] {6}

00:25:26 cazalla: mircea_popescu, i'm still interested in forum posting, didn't want you to think i was blowing it off even though that's what i've done this week, i'll bbl, week of logs to catch up on

00:25:39 mircea_popescu: cazalla no biggy. this is the fungible sort of work, it'll wait.

00:27:11 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re: the use of pliable folks: consider, what was vyacheslav molotov's main job qualification ?

00:27:17 asciilifeform: (answer: his wife. in gulag.)

00:27:45 mircea_popescu: but he still sucked.

00:27:55 mircea_popescu: you know ? putting some idiot's wife in the gulag doesn't make him suddenly smart.

00:27:58 asciilifeform: sure.

00:28:09 asciilifeform: 'smart' wasn't the top objective, though.

00:28:30 asciilifeform: pederasty doesn't make herr wales smarter, either.

00:28:36 asciilifeform: or brock pierce

00:28:40 mircea_popescu: think of it : two major powers, with very close ideologies, the absolute leader of one in love with the absolute leader of the other, managed to go to war!

00:28:49 mircea_popescu: who's to blame ? inept ribentropp, inept molotov, chiefly.

00:29:08 mircea_popescu: if they worked together we'd be sitting here speaking german threatening doom to the third reich.

00:29:13 asciilifeform: lol

00:29:25 mircea_popescu: so, what's the gulag got stalin ? a pliable idiot.

00:29:32 mircea_popescu: what's that cost him ? the great patriotic war.

00:29:51 mircea_popescu: millions of country boys had to be assembled in the choir invisible to rectify the mistakes of two inept diplomats.

00:30:40 *: asciilifeform isn't suggesting that the pliable idiot stratagem is a brilliant one that everyone should imitate - just pointing out its age.

00:31:05 mircea_popescu: its age, indeed. two hundred years old and change.

00:31:26 mircea_popescu: i think balzac is the first to describe it. some small sleepy country town somewhere, with two printing licenses

00:31:41 mircea_popescu: the owner of one figuring it's better to keep the other in the hands of its current inept owner than let him lose it.

00:32:00 mircea_popescu: or, if you prefer, de retz has some mentions in his memoirs, to the same principle.

00:32:58 oglafbot: http://oglaf.com/assumptions/

00:33:06 mircea_popescu: when i see that name change i salivate.

00:33:15 BingoBoingo: lol

00:35:02 mircea_popescu: http://oglaf.com/buttocks/ << almond milk i'd go for.

00:35:03 assbot: Perfect buttocks now!

00:36:16 BingoBoingo: Almond milk is about the only way I find almonds palatable, the demon cyanide tasting seeds that they are.

00:37:43 BingoBoingo: Linked in an Oglaf ad banner http://theworstthingsforsale.com/2013/12/19/hide-liquor-in-your-tampons/

00:37:44 assbot: Hide Liquor In Your Tampons » The Worst Things For Sale

00:38:13 BingoBoingo: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1480203246/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=1480203246&linkCode=as2&tag=natdee-20

00:38:14 assbot: Non-Euclidean Geometry for Babies (Math for Babies): Fred Carlson: 9781480203242: Amazon.com: Books

00:38:33 *: asciilifeform misread as 'non-euclidean geometry for babes'

00:39:03 BingoBoingo: "Non-Euclidean Geometry for Babies is intended to introduce babies to the basics of Euclid's Geometry, and supposes that the so-called "Parallel Postulate" might not be true. "

00:39:15 assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/38587YY.txt )

00:39:15 BingoBoingo: !b 2

00:40:31 asciilifeform: http://oglaf.com/harrow << problems of rectothermodynamicists.

00:40:31 assbot: harrow

00:45:11 mircea_popescu: this isn't such a great thing for babies.

00:53:32 asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRM7OZktALE << column of captive urks led through donetsk. water truck washes road after them, just like they did in the '44 parade after captured germans.

00:53:33 assbot: - YouTube

00:54:25 mircea_popescu: ;;ud urk

00:54:25 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=urk | urk. to annoy or bother someone deeply. Gurl numba 1: grrrrrrr i don't like ha. Gurl numba 2: why not? she's nice.... Gurl numba 1: she just urks me..something ...

00:54:29 asciilifeform: ukrs.

00:54:29 mircea_popescu: heh.

00:54:35 mircea_popescu: o right

00:54:38 mircea_popescu: ;;ud ukrs

00:54:38 gribble: Google found nothing.

00:54:41 mircea_popescu: yay.

00:55:02 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why's the reporter so fucking excited lol

00:55:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10300 @ 0.00063423 = 6.5326 BTC [-]

00:55:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 800 @ 0.00085468 = 0.6837 BTC [-] {4}

00:56:44 asciilifeform: !s ancient ukrs

00:56:44 assbot: 0 results for 'ancient ukrs' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=ancient+ukrs

00:56:47 asciilifeform: damn.

00:59:45 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2014#801927

00:59:46 assbot: Logged on 20-08-2014 04:00:19; *: asciilifeform prefers viktor pelevin's уркаина - 'urkaine', which metamorphosizes over 1000 years (in one of his tales) to 'urkland' and then 'orcland.'

01:07:02 mircea_popescu: you know words that don't even exist!

01:07:13 mircea_popescu: !up guest3455

01:09:04 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRM7OZktALE << column of captive urks led through donetsk. water truck washes road after them, just like they did in the '44 parade after captured germans. << I like the flack vest clearly labeled "Press"

01:09:04 assbot: - YouTube

01:10:32 BingoBoingo: !up non2

01:10:44 BingoBoingo: !up non2_

01:24:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 500 @ 0.00362467 = 1.8123 BTC [-] {12}

01:26:04 asciilifeform: http://xs-sniper.com/blackhat2014/BH2014-Billy-Rios.pdf

01:35:31 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: actually the ukrs started really calling themselves that in the '90s, when they wrote the hilarious schoolbooks about 'ancient ukrs, they fought rome!'

01:35:59 mircea_popescu: yeah i know. we had a bunch of crypto natl-socialist idiots in romania too.

01:36:00 asciilifeform: now it's SOP among the resistance.

01:36:05 asciilifeform: aha.

01:36:10 mircea_popescu: i think even mentioned.

01:36:12 asciilifeform: we come from the ducks, who come from the trucks.

01:36:14 asciilifeform: yes.

01:36:17 mircea_popescu: they taught the greeks magic and romans to write don;'t you know./

01:41:46 asciilifeform: http://imgur.com/V8M9nsA

01:41:46 assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer

01:41:52 asciilifeform: (from linked document)

01:41:56 asciilifeform: what's missing? plenty

01:42:37 asciilifeform: (what instrument? ion mobility spectrometer, clearly.)

01:46:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9700 @ 0.00063686 = 6.1775 BTC [+] {2}

01:47:58 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why the fuck windows.

01:48:11 asciilifeform: because!

01:59:42 BingoBoingo: !up josevelez

02:00:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9198 @ 0.00063381 = 5.8298 BTC [-] {2}

02:14:19 penguirker: New blog post: http://fraudsters.com/2014/weak-sauce/

02:23:44 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: who's the fellow screaming at the crowd ?

02:24:14 mircea_popescu: taleb

02:24:19 asciilifeform: aha

02:24:23 *: asciilifeform guessed correctly

02:25:32 *: asciilifeform would love to buy a (yes) bowdlerized compendium of taleb, with all the annoying 'i'm the strongest man alive, grasp my throbbing cock!' crapola snipped out.

02:25:59 mircea_popescu: lol it bothers you ?

02:26:14 asciilifeform: it pattern-matches 'derp' and throws my concentration

02:26:34 mircea_popescu: kinda makes me chuckle privately.

02:26:43 mircea_popescu: guy's what, 60 by now ?

02:26:55 mircea_popescu: what's he going to do if say a bn chicks actually decide to go for it ?

02:27:07 asciilifeform: if i saw a mosquito for the first and only time, i'd probably laugh at it too

02:27:09 mircea_popescu: not like he has an elaborate sorting system in place.

02:27:19 mircea_popescu: he's setting himself up for catastrophic rewind.

02:29:48 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lol, you read Kvant ?!?!

02:29:59 mircea_popescu: i had THE COLLECTION.

02:30:04 mircea_popescu: who do you think you're talking to here.

02:30:09 asciilifeform: ahaha

02:30:13 *: asciilifeform has the collection

02:30:20 mircea_popescu: !ip Kieronbm

02:30:31 mircea_popescu: admittedly i couldn't really do the exercises

02:30:37 mircea_popescu: but i enjoyed looking at the pictures.

02:31:50 *: asciilifeform has a blast with bedtime reading of 'квант,' 'химия и жизнь,' 'наука и жизнь', etc. for ages now. who said '4k' tablets had no use.

02:33:35 asciilifeform: phun phact. 'прикладная химия' 1941 (forget which month) was devoted to recipes for... meth.

02:33:35 mircea_popescu: "theoretical physicists calculate the imaginary part of schroedinger function collapses for various items in their room and then convert it all to matrix form to go to sleep"

02:34:08 asciilifeform: (leningrad, during blockade, reportedly churned out 10kg/day.)

02:34:28 mircea_popescu: most serious bunkers include some.

02:34:38 asciilifeform: even today.

02:34:51 mircea_popescu: lol even today., well yes even today, what's changed ?

02:35:30 asciilifeform: 'morals' lol

02:36:28 mircea_popescu: no they haven't lol.

02:37:06 BingoBoingo: Well now there's options like methylphenidate, modafinil, and all sorts of other imposters

02:37:39 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: military men, afaik, are noted for a love of 'classic' tech

02:38:44 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if the soldier can only carry one pill, what modern replacement psychostimulator would suffice ?

02:40:22 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The germans had a pill...

02:40:38 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 'pervitin' ? that was ordinary 'meth'

02:40:40 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/01/29/buy_a_piece_of_net << this is a great read btw, because look! look how desolate the field was, just ten short years ago,

02:40:40 assbot: Buy a piece of Net nostalgia for $5,000 The Register

02:40:43 mircea_popescu: back when we didn't have money.

02:40:55 mircea_popescu: and i don't mean some money, or even a lot of money.

02:40:58 mircea_popescu: i mean THE money.

02:41:24 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'm thinking of the one that rolled the meth together with an opiate, and maybe a few other things

02:41:50 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: why would you include an opiate ?

02:42:10 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform because pure amphetamine is undiscriminatory.

02:42:13 mircea_popescu: ever had an itch /

02:42:25 BingoBoingo: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D-IX

02:42:25 assbot: D-IX - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

02:42:46 asciilifeform: undiscriminatory ?

02:43:00 BingoBoingo: The itching, and fatigue... injury..

02:43:25 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> undiscriminatory ? << Hits receptors without much regard for location in the body

02:43:41 asciilifeform: how does an opiate help here?

02:44:55 mircea_popescu: if well chosen the opiate is more selective.

02:45:05 mircea_popescu: at least that's the theory.

02:45:18 BingoBoingo: Including just enough for some analgesia masks side effects of the amphetamine activating all kinds of catecholamine receptors it wasn't intended to

02:45:29 BingoBoingo: Supposedly

02:45:43 BingoBoingo: The recreational term I think is "speedballing"

02:48:36 asciilifeform: 'At first the members of the punishment battalion whistled and sang songs. [But] most of them had collapsed after the first 24 hours.'

02:52:50 mircea_popescu: by the way : http://or.wikipedia.org/wiki/ଓଡ଼ିଆ

02:52:51 assbot: -

02:58:16 decimation: I think methamphetamines are still prescribed for military pilots who need to 'remain alert' for days at a time

02:59:49 decimation: asciilifeform: "it pattern-matches 'derp' and throws my concentration" << yeah I have the same experience.

03:00:05 mircea_popescu: decimation they're self prescribed by doctors working the us meatgrinder for sure.

03:00:22 mircea_popescu: <decimation> asciilifeform: "it pattern-matches 'derp' and throws my concentration" << yeah I have the same experience. << does this happen with my stuff too ?

03:01:32 ThickAsThieves: cazalla, is it fibromyalgia?

03:01:43 ThickAsThieves: my dad has it

03:01:45 ThickAsThieves: sounds like uit

03:02:22 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not so much

03:02:29 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves wasn't that for girls ?

03:02:49 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: your stuff typically includes sufficient meth to drown out the opium.

03:02:51 ThickAsThieves: it's for people who beat up their bodies and are susceptible to it, i'm guessing

03:03:20 ThickAsThieves: dad has owned a masonry company most of his life

03:03:26 mircea_popescu: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11974674

03:03:27 assbot: Gender differences in fibromyalgia... [J Gend Specif Med. 2002 Mar-Apr] - PubMed - NCBI

03:03:33 mircea_popescu: no look at that, i was actually right. 10% or so men.

03:03:55 mircea_popescu: looks like genetic on that basis. you gotta be really unlucky as a guy

03:03:57 ThickAsThieves: didnt know that

03:04:02 ThickAsThieves: i never met someone else with uit

03:04:15 ThickAsThieves: though i wouldbnt be surprised if it's in me too

03:04:20 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform cause i was thinking, i prolly do more of it than poor taleb.

03:04:40 mircea_popescu: who, notably, has a lot more grounds than me to be all "fu world y u don't respek!"

03:04:55 ThickAsThieves: i think i heard pot helps with fibro

03:05:04 ThickAsThieves: havent gotten pops to try yet

03:05:11 ThickAsThieves: he's still busy breaking his back

03:05:29 mircea_popescu: wasn't this the poster for medical pot ? it helps fibromyalgia ?

03:05:48 ThickAsThieves: dunno

03:05:52 asciilifeform: perhaps the next pill, 'D-X,' will be a meth and thc combo

03:06:01 ThickAsThieves: i was never a pot activist

03:06:07 ThickAsThieves: though i like it just fine

03:06:15 asciilifeform: are there meth activists ?

03:06:28 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes. they scrub things clean.

03:06:36 mircea_popescu: ;;google look at me, busy as a bee

03:06:36 gribble: Meth song - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtLHKtNOcS8; Meth Song - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxAYHOWxGi8; Official Meth Theme Song - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ev6hV5ULLcs

03:06:44 ThickAsThieves: meth had it's own acclaimed tv show, it's doing fine

03:06:49 decimation: mircea_popescu: you have a different writing style. you don't set off the 'derp' alarm, you set off the 'wait, wtf is he on about' alarm, which generally results in an interpretation excercise

03:06:55 ThickAsThieves: its

03:07:06 asciilifeform: surely someone is campaigning to have meth brought back to the masses.

03:07:14 mircea_popescu: decimation so taleb's mistake is that he's being a BANAL asshole ?

03:07:23 ThickAsThieves: there are the guys that think all drugs should be legal

03:07:35 mircea_popescu: tnk

03:07:43 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves there are guys that thing all ages should be legal.

03:07:46 mircea_popescu: no shortage of guys.

03:08:03 asciilifeform: busy as a bee << funny that they show an idiot sow scrubbing, and not, e.g, paul erdos crapping out theorems

03:08:41 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's valid. a) erdos doesn't get his guidance from youtube ; b) most people taking it will scrub.

03:09:36 decimation: mircea_popescu: yeah there's banality and there's also constant generalization. I realize he's trying to write generally, but it comes close to old-man ranting

03:09:45 mircea_popescu: it's part of that undiscrimination mentioned earlier. it seems to particularly empower any ocd streak you may have.

03:09:55 mircea_popescu: just like acid isn't a good adjuvant to latent paranoia.

03:10:45 BingoBoingo: http://music-mix.ew.com/2009/04/20/breaking-bads-s/

03:10:46 assbot: How did a scary Mexican gangsta-rap group end up on one of TV's hottest shows? | The Music Mix | EW.com

03:10:46 mircea_popescu: decimation people got hacked lately with this "only the general is important" rootkit. it meshes well with the divinsation of data-in-se

03:11:39 mircea_popescu: because somehow they've decided "data" is a substance, it's no longer fit for the thinking man to generate data, and so no more of things like the excellent field reports people like saussure and levi-strauss dedicated their lives to

03:11:49 mircea_popescu: so now all one can still do with his mind is "generalize"

03:11:56 mircea_popescu: on the basis of the holy data, as such.

03:12:07 decimation: to me, if one is going to improve on the "only in general" then one is going to have to better than Kant, Kierkegaard, Spinoza, Leibniz, etc.

03:12:09 *: asciilifeform most people taking it will scrub << wonders what kind of 'public education' films will be made about, e.g., logic analyzers, when these are banned

03:12:44 mircea_popescu: decimation the point is valid, there's relatively little useful stuff these singers/songwriters can do.

03:13:04 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you actually dispute this ?

03:13:22 decimation: "on the basis of holy data" << oglaf's princeling is searching for holy data to generalize upon as well :)

03:13:49 asciilifeform: re: mexican drug ballads: obligatory: http://www.malavita.com/diemusik_en.html

03:13:49 assbot: LA MUSICA DELLA MAFIA

03:14:03 mircea_popescu: somehow it's conveniently forgotten that einstein's general revolution was based on laboratory data

03:14:12 mircea_popescu: THAT WAS MOSTLY NOT ACCEPTED AS DATA at the time.

03:14:27 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i believe it. most people - will, likely - scrub.

03:14:29 decimation: so was maxwell's brilliant analysis

03:14:32 mircea_popescu: the establishment had a different set of data.

03:14:34 mircea_popescu: decimation exactly.

03:14:50 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not saying this is grounds to make anything legal or illegal, obviously.

03:15:23 mircea_popescu: but i don't believe you'll ever be able to run a place where drugs (the actual sort) are legal, for purely economic reasons.

03:15:28 asciilifeform: gedankenexperiment time. go to your workbench, pick some precious, rare, instrument - and contemplate what 'most people' would do with it.

03:15:39 asciilifeform: enough to give you insomnia.

03:17:05 asciilifeform: economic reasons >> so long as the slaves get the right kind of marching powder (i.e., with the requisite proportion of meth to opium) - what economic reasons ?

03:17:13 mircea_popescu: exactly those.

03:17:20 mircea_popescu: you presume to know who the slaves are.

03:17:23 mircea_popescu: how would you ?

03:17:46 asciilifeform: presumably - the folks queueing up for the marching powder ?

03:18:04 mircea_popescu: but whether it's legal or illegal doesn't decide whether they queue up for it

03:18:10 mircea_popescu: instead, it decides if you may force them to take it.

03:18:35 asciilifeform: aha the olympics thread

03:18:39 mircea_popescu: quite.

03:18:40 asciilifeform: 'if you can, you must' ?

03:18:57 mircea_popescu: exactly. making conception illegal for young women is fundamental if you want an educated set of women

03:19:08 mircea_popescu: because if it's not illegal, they'll all get impregnated aged 16

03:19:15 mircea_popescu: the most curious one the first and foremost

03:19:23 mircea_popescu: and curiosity is a cognate of intelligence. especially in women

03:20:09 decimation: asciilifeform: "rare instrument" << I'm imagining a spectrum analyzer providing light for reading :(

03:20:24 mircea_popescu: decimation i bet you he had this microscope nails thing in his head.

03:21:00 asciilifeform: or this:

03:21:01 asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pzvEouWino

03:21:02 assbot: C1-65A - Bad Apple (HD) - YouTube

03:21:08 *: BingoBoingo awaits the Bitcoincorridos

03:22:52 decimation: asciilifeform: lol I'm not sure that old crt o-scope could be put to much better use

03:23:27 *: asciilifeform is quite partial to crt scope, except on occasion of travel

03:24:10 BingoBoingo: "Next, Golubic contacted Sony/BMG Latin, one of the few American labels that produces narcocorridos,and the label offered one of its up-and-coming acts, Les Cuates deSinaloa."

03:24:56 decimation: asciilifeform: I would agree that nothing quite replaces that "temporary storage" of phosphor fading slowly

03:25:44 asciilifeform: [insert obligatory bitching about ADC quantization artifacts here]

03:26:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18702 @ 0.00063068 = 11.795 BTC [-]

03:27:29 decimation: asciilifeform: yeah most folks don't realize the limitations of adc's, especially when it comes to dynamic range issues

03:29:16 decimation: asciilifeform: I see your o-scope video raise you this guy: http://blog.narrat1ve.com/2013/08/08/vectors-or-my-man-inf-left-a-vec-and-a-9-at-my-crib/

03:29:17 assbot: Nerdy Texts of Analog and Embedded Systems Wizardry » Blog Archive » Vectors, or “My Man Inf Left A VEC and a 9 At My Crib”

03:31:13 *: asciilifeform lolz, owns that board

03:31:40 decimation: the xilinx board?

03:31:54 asciilifeform: that one.

03:32:01 asciilifeform: (among others)

03:32:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1659 @ 0.00063735 = 1.0574 BTC [+]

03:39:05 decimation: apparently this guy wrote most of the RTL: http://www.batslyadams.com/

03:39:06 assbot: Andy's Electronics Projects

04:05:48 assbot: xanthyos +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0

04:06:01 kakobrekla: !up xanthyos

04:06:09 kakobrekla: hi.

04:07:11 xanthyos: hi

04:07:20 danielpbarron: !down xanthyos

04:07:39 kakobrekla: hm?

04:08:01 kakobrekla: !s xanthyos

04:08:02 assbot: 94 results for 'xanthyos' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=xanthyos

04:08:56 assbot: xanthyos +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0

04:08:59 kakobrekla: you two have issues ?

04:09:06 assbot: xanthyos +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0

04:09:17 kakobrekla: !up xanthyos

04:09:27 xanthyos: he thinks i'm going to embarass him in here

04:09:37 xanthyos: because he's a cunt and he likes to keep a facade in here to impress mp

04:09:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31300 @ 0.00063815 = 19.9741 BTC [+] {2}

04:09:50 kakobrekla: lolk

04:10:15 xanthyos: ;;rate danielpbarron -1 fickle with his friends, uses the bible to justify being disloyal

04:10:16 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user danielpbarron has changed from 8 to -1.

04:10:53 xanthyos: danielpbarron: tell your drug dealer friend i want him to settle his debt with me immediately.

04:11:07 xanthyos: i'm cutting ties with both of you

04:11:28 danielpbarron: hm, ok

04:12:44 xanthyos: now i feel awkward, and i'm sorry for disrupting things.

04:15:34 BingoBoingo: !up xanthyos

04:16:00 BingoBoingo: !up nineX_

04:16:30 BingoBoingo: !up apheleon

04:16:33 xanthyos: didn't feel comfortable staying on danielpbarron 's server anymore

04:16:44 xanthyos: fastest way to cut ties digitally

04:17:36 xanthyos: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:8ab73bf3e1298b53394a1ec3d5aacc63499b1dc8d0a0eb2a5681b079

04:17:37 gribble: You are now authenticated for user xanthyos with key B62E7295387001E9

04:25:58 xanthyos: hm seems i've been banned from -otc, guess the scammers in there are looking to preempt something

04:35:20 mircea_popescu: <xanthyos> because he's a cunt and he likes to keep a facade in here to impress mp << all teh dramaz ?

04:36:19 xanthyos: being a cunt helps him be an effective derp reporter though.

04:36:54 *: nubbins` yawns, stretches

04:36:57 nubbins`: tell us more

04:37:42 mircea_popescu: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/08/22/chilean_paper_says_microsoft_crushed_local_open_source_bill/

04:37:42 assbot: Claim: Microsoft Alt-F4'd Chilean government open-source install bid The Register

04:38:26 xanthyos: i got the anger out and now all i have is shame.

04:39:21 nubbins`: sweet

04:39:53 mircea_popescu: lol funny how the emotional balance works.

04:40:36 nubbins`: torpor and catharsis

04:41:34 mircea_popescu: !up keows

04:41:49 keows: hello

04:42:04 keows: is BTCJAM bad for bitcoin?

04:42:15 keows: will the WOT prevail?

04:42:16 mircea_popescu: depends whose.

04:43:27 keows: i will send you a penny in bitcoin if you say KEOWS

04:43:30 keows: mircea_popescu:

04:44:18 mircea_popescu: wait wut ?

04:45:09 mircea_popescu: !s Slappy Squirrel

04:45:10 assbot: 0 results for 'Slappy Squirrel' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=Slappy+Squirrel

04:45:14 asciilifeform: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/08/21/mh370_disaster_cyber_snooping

04:45:14 assbot: Chinese hackers spied on investigators of Flight MH370 - report The Register

04:45:15 mircea_popescu: well in that case...

04:45:19 mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mdqv5xIsFLM

04:45:19 assbot: Slappy Squirrel - Who's on Stage? - YouTube

04:45:20 asciilifeform: run moar winblows.

04:45:36 cazalla: ThickAsThieves: cazalla, is it fibromyalgia? >> I've been told it's somatization but i don't know tbh, i've exhausted whatever medical investigation i've been sent for, cardiologist said whatever it is, not my heart, neuro said whatever it is, not neurological, never tried cannabis for it, doesn't agree with me anyway so not an option

04:45:58 keows: i will send you one penny worth of bitcoins if you simply say

04:45:59 keows: KEOWS

04:46:07 keows: mircea_popescu:

04:46:09 nubbins`: a penny, sweet

04:46:43 mircea_popescu: "This was well-crafted malware that antivirus programs couldn't detect. It was a very sophisticated attack," Wahab added. << "it didn't come with a warning box to click on"

04:47:09 mircea_popescu: keows keep it.

04:49:08 keows: at first i read "keows it up"

04:49:10 keows: and i go happy

04:49:18 keows: then i read again and im sad panda

04:50:20 ThickAsThieves: my cat just brought my wife's sports bra to me from across the house, waddling its front legs as it dragged in front in its mouth

04:51:24 mircea_popescu: apparently cat thinks you're developing nicely.

04:51:29 ThickAsThieves: lol

04:51:45 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform btw, left handle a comment blasting him about his "baseline expectation" bs.

04:58:51 BingoBoingo: !s handle

04:58:52 assbot: 640 results for 'handle' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=handle

05:04:32 BingoBoingo: http://www.fsi-language-courses.org/Content.php

05:04:33 assbot: FSI Language Courses - Home

05:04:53 asciilifeform: lol

05:06:33 BingoBoingo: http://www.fsi-language-courses.org/Courses/Romanian/FSI%20-%20Romanian%20Reference%20Grammar%20-%20Student%20Text.pdf << Crutch, not a perfect one

05:07:08 asciilifeform: herr handle, incidentally, is employed as (not a secret) a lawyer.

05:07:33 asciilifeform: though, afaik, not the variety that argues cases.

05:08:18 *: asciilifeform had some very entertaining conversations with the fellow about peculiarities of american law, as practiced

05:10:04 mircea_popescu: "Your content isn't worth much to begin with if it goes down in value as it gets shared." this is an interesting concept.

05:11:04 asciilifeform: presumably not counting the degenerate cases (e.g. private keys) ?

05:14:45 penguirker: New blog post: http://contravex.com/2014/08/24/for-states-small-is-beautiful/

05:18:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 668 @ 0.00090151 = 0.6022 BTC [+] {4}

05:22:55 mircea_popescu: well secrets != content.

05:26:10 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: maximizing the market is not a valid goal of economics any more than maximizing body weight is not a valid goal of medicine. << lulz

05:54:41 BingoBoingo: !up RagnarsBitch

07:00:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13547 @ 0.00063802 = 8.6433 BTC [-]

07:10:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24200 @ 0.00063942 = 15.474 BTC [+] {2}

07:14:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 878 @ 0.0009889 = 0.8683 BTC [-]

07:18:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 98 @ 0.01009999 = 0.9898 BTC [-]

07:25:39 RagnarDanneskjol: !up BingoBoingo

07:26:12 BingoBoingo: lol

07:26:16 RagnarDanneskjol: hehe

07:31:48 BingoBoingo: http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--EnQZWhaN--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/ad6ifs8pape4nzyyowu2.gif << Yasiel Puig turns a double play into a triple play

07:34:01 RagnarDanneskjol: wow very nice

07:40:07 BingoBoingo: http://www.gomerblog.com/2014/01/uterine-cord/ << related http://fraudsters.com/2012/lolvacute-pentru-posteritate/

07:40:07 assbot: Baby Finds His Umbilical Cord, Passes Out - Medical Satire - GomerBlog

07:40:08 assbot: Lolvacute, pentru posteritate pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

07:52:52 BingoBoingo: http://www.gomerblog.com/2014/02/fertilized-egg/ << related http://fraudsters.com/2012/amir-taaki-has-done-and-continues-to-do-huge-disservice-to-anyone-serious-involved-in-bitcoin/

07:52:52 assbot: Fertilized Hipster Egg Decides Uterus Just not my style, Moves to Abdomen - Medical Satire - GomerBlog

07:52:56 assbot: Amir Taaki has done, and continues to do, huge disservice to anyone serious involved in Bitcoin. pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

08:03:39 RagnarDanneskjol: hmm

09:18:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17956 @ 0.00063984 = 11.489 BTC [+] {3}

09:35:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 66 @ 0.01069888 = 0.7061 BTC [+]

09:39:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 60 @ 0.01069888 = 0.6419 BTC [+]

10:04:45 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell jborkl http://www.bcoinnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/sharkbite-300x187.jpg << you know those bitcoin vignettes added on pictures would look a lot better if they were on transparent background.

10:04:46 gribble: The operation succeeded.

10:17:37 *: fluffypony needs coffee

10:17:39 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes re your article, there was at least another scam derpopoulous pushed. can't seem to recall wtf it was tho.

10:18:22 mircea_popescu: fluffypony i'm curious what you'd be like if there was no coffee for a week or two.

10:18:39 fluffypony: when I go hiking I don't take coffee with

10:18:48 fluffypony: Otter Trail 10 day hike was fine

10:18:57 mircea_popescu: aok

10:19:01 fluffypony: it's different when you're out there and active and not staring at a screen all day

10:19:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14155 @ 0.00064104 = 9.0739 BTC [+]

10:23:01 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo lol the past! "Sep 04 22:37:31 * ciuciu (~chatzilla@ has joined #bitcoin-assets"

10:23:11 mircea_popescu: !s from:ciuciu

10:23:12 assbot: 0 results for 'from:ciuciu' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=from%3Aciuciu

10:23:33 BingoBoingo: I don't think he's been on since public logs

10:24:33 mircea_popescu: what did he defraud his "numerous investors" with ? some sort of mining farm was it

10:25:34 BingoBoingo: Mining, a bond? Twas before I really started taking notes.

10:25:49 mircea_popescu: yeah something like that.

10:25:51 mircea_popescu: "The Bitcoin community is not just overwhelmingly larger but of overwhelmingly better quality as well. Bitcoin is surrounded by real entrepreneurs working hard to create new and useful services for Bitcoin. Altcoins are surrounded by loud-mouthed pretenders with irrational hopes of duplicating Nakamoto's success."

10:26:09 mircea_popescu: krawisz stomping heads

10:26:32 fluffypony: lol

10:26:48 fluffypony: although, Bitcoin "entrepreneurs" aren't much better

10:27:13 mircea_popescu: well obviously everything will be surrounded by a bunch of tims.

10:27:15 BingoBoingo: Back then it didn't much matter what people called their own things as those labels were rarely accurate

10:27:47 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo quite.

10:28:14 mircea_popescu: more a function of what had been on tv that week / what the person picked up from google finance.

10:28:38 mircea_popescu: hey have developed a series of fallacies capable of fooling newcomers into joining them, but they are all disingenuous.

10:28:38 mircea_popescu: Thus, the altcoin communities are not just embarrassing, but dangerous. Desperately wishing to be taken seriously despite having nothing worthwhile to offer, they will say absolutely anything to convince other people to join them. They persist in saying things easily refuted by economic logic, common sense, or verifiable facts.

10:28:41 abathingape: http://connect.customer.mheducation.com/wp-content/themes/mhc/a/i/more-As-and-Bs-Lower_w_Numbers-72dpi.png

10:28:42 abathingape: lol?

10:28:47 mircea_popescu: well dangerous, but this is a good thing.

10:28:53 mircea_popescu: a world without danger is not a world.

10:29:02 abathingape: homework in america for colleges is becoming pay to use,

10:29:10 abathingape: its like $80 a class

10:29:18 abathingape: http://connect.customer.mheducation.com/

10:29:18 assbot: McGraw-Hill Connect

10:29:42 mircea_popescu: abathingape someone should make a "fuck your girlfriend" service.

10:30:07 mircea_popescu: collect money from well to do white people, trick aspirational hispanos into working for free to "prove themselves", show a profit.

10:31:47 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker

10:31:49 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 505.01, Best ask: 505.03, Bid-ask spread: 0.02000, Last trade: 505.01, 24 hour volume: 6183.65763719, 24 hour low: 496.0, 24 hour high: 515.95, 24 hour vwap: 505.029295457

10:32:26 mircea_popescu: sadly the guy has a bitcoin address as a coinbase wallet and a pgp but no wot. wtf.

10:35:32 BingoBoingo: %t

10:35:33 atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 175 Ask: 221 Last Price: 170 24h-Vol: 0k High: 170 Low: 170 VWAP: 169

10:36:13 mircea_popescu: scam.

10:36:42 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2010/familia-traditionala-versus-harem-studiu-comparativ/ << fro teh romanian scholars.

10:36:44 assbot: Familia traditionala versus harem - studiu comparativ pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

10:37:51 mircea_popescu: !up NumberSix_

10:40:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8479 @ 0.0006366 = 5.3977 BTC [-]

10:42:43 mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic: I'm amazed at the trust people put into PoS, but then again after seeing the investment section of bitcointalk it isn't that surprising << makes two of us.

10:43:24 mircea_popescu: the best construction i can put on it is, "hey, the whiteknighting virgin geeks have finally found a way to express their usual "a guy that really loves and respects you and cares" derpage into bitcoin form"

10:44:18 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: re: nail polish poison detector << how many cases of dysentery from the finger dips. << i would imagine you dribble rather than dip.

10:44:53 BingoBoingo: "There is no principle difference between the ideal treatment for slaves captured in war and of children born in traditional families, both are people chained to their captors by some imagined debt, of which they personally have not acquiesced." << Interesting, if this is a roughly worthwhile translation.

10:45:16 mircea_popescu: o wow look at this poor bluemeanie dude, he loves me all over the log then i come in and am like all mean to him.

10:46:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 69 @ 0.011 = 0.759 BTC [+]

10:46:19 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you got most of it flawlessly, but the intro is a bitch

10:46:42 mircea_popescu: Nu exista in principiu o diferenta de tratament ideal < tratament ideal is, "ideal treatment", in the sense of normative, prescriptive treatment.

10:46:51 BingoBoingo: Ah

10:47:18 mircea_popescu: "nu exista in principiu" means there doesnt exist (nu exista) for absolute reasons (in principiu, roughly, following from principle, for reasons derived from prime principles)

10:47:40 mircea_popescu: so, "the ideal treatment of one does not differ from the other for reasons that are derived from prime principles".

10:48:15 mircea_popescu: the point being that while you're welcome to disagree in practice, your doing so is arbitrariety not reason.

10:50:25 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: exponentially difficult << 'learn' for translating a diplomat - perhaps hard; reading articles in your armchair slowly - not so hard << the diplomat in question doth protest.

10:50:47 mircea_popescu: (you meant live dubbing didn't you)

10:55:08 BingoBoingo: "In net opposition to this bizarre and at least in appearance sick model of social organization, the harem shows some clear advantages."

10:55:34 mircea_popescu: some ample cleavages.

10:55:43 mircea_popescu: !up Niko__

10:56:58 mircea_popescu: the log is so self referrential omfg. first there's http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-08-2014#806551 then there's http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-08-2014#806604 sometimes it feels like it just works on its own.

10:56:58 assbot: Logged on 23-08-2014 19:26:23; BlueMeanie4: hey if the mod is going to silence me for no voiced reason mid conversation- why bother?

10:56:59 assbot: Logged on 23-08-2014 20:11:27; BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/lisawomersley/status/499771410751815682

10:57:34 *: BingoBoingo still has yet to recieve spam from the SEC/CIA/NSA/DHS/DEA/NYDSFMOGWTFBBQ asking him to read fraudsters for them...

10:58:24 mircea_popescu: how could they possibly trust you ?

10:59:09 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I have WoT! as some people from other channels might suggest...

10:59:37 mircea_popescu: you don't understand how the government works. it'll never pay you to do something you're already interested in.

11:00:44 Niko__: greetings

11:00:53 BingoBoingo: Oh, that part of the problem

11:01:01 mircea_popescu: ello Niko__

11:01:02 BingoBoingo: Welcome Niko__

11:01:04 mircea_popescu: who're you ?

11:02:04 Niko__: someone who has enough knowledge to himself in trouble

11:02:22 BingoBoingo: Ah allegedly I myself into trouble all the time

11:02:33 mircea_popescu: An organist playing old Stork had a prick that could hold a small fork, and between obbligatos he'd munch on tomatoes to keep up his strength while at work.

11:02:35 Niko__: lol

11:04:35 Niko__: thats one dextrous dick

11:07:46 mircea_popescu: !up wallet42

11:08:35 mircea_popescu: fun fact re the old stork : milton berle was banned there. along with bogart.

11:25:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11699 @ 0.00064207 = 7.5116 BTC [+]

11:27:57 mircea_popescu: Once, while in attendance at a party, a guest made a comment about rape, and Bankhead reportedly replied, "I was raped in our driveway when I was eleven. You know darling, it was a terrible experience because we had all that gravel."

11:28:12 mircea_popescu: now why do i think "all about eve";s margo is drawn after bankhead ?

11:31:30 thestringpuller: ;;ticker

11:31:31 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 501.4, Best ask: 504.27, Bid-ask spread: 2.87000, Last trade: 504.33, 24 hour volume: 6672.75954235, 24 hour low: 496.79, 24 hour high: 515.95, 24 hour vwap: 504.895097955

11:31:33 thestringpuller: !last m s.mpoe

11:31:33 assbot: Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.00064207 BTC [+]

11:33:42 mircea_popescu: In 1933, Bankhead nearly died following a five-hour emergency hysterectomy due to venereal disease. Only 70 pounds (32 kg) when she left the hospital, she stoically said to her doctor, "Don't think this has taught me a lesson!"

11:33:48 mircea_popescu: apparently they took out her largest part.

11:34:06 BingoBoingo: It ended https://atc.waroflife.com/gow/25/

11:34:07 assbot: Game 25 - Death 7104 Life 2896 Year 1000 - War of Life

11:34:23 mircea_popescu: %d

11:34:24 atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 239819.71 in 1739 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -87.23

12:12:56 fluffypony: my ANX debit cards arrived

12:16:30 punkman: fluffypony: how much paperwork did it take?

12:16:47 punkman: also, is their exchange any good?

12:16:48 fluffypony: not much, normal exchange verification stuff

12:16:59 fluffypony: plus they posted me a letter with a code to confirm my address on file

12:17:25 fluffypony: it seems decent - based out of Hong Kong, so that's their primary market

12:17:33 fluffypony: the cards are backed by a bank in Poland

12:17:56 fluffypony: mBank SA

12:21:11 punkman: interesting "When a buy or sell order is submitted, the ANXBTC platform receives matching orders from an extensive number of buyers and sellers who have registered as part of the ANX Open Dealer Network. "

12:24:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15200 @ 0.00063931 = 9.7175 BTC [-] {2}

12:27:07 RagnarDanneskjol: ANX is good people. I know them personally. I'm pissed someone else got their card before me

12:34:58 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker

12:35:05 BingoBoingo: ;;lasers

12:35:05 gribble: ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*

12:35:29 wywialm: fluffypony, is there any info on the mBank backing the ANX card?

12:36:06 fluffypony: wywialm: I actually have an account with them from a couple of years back, they're Polish

12:37:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17700 @ 0.00063661 = 11.268 BTC [-] {2}

12:37:22 wywialm: I know that mBank is Polish :) however, is it official that mBank backs this ANX card?

12:39:38 BingoBoingo: Oh, the things Jimmothy posts when he isn't persecuting mircea_popescu for being European https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=521520.msg8507845#msg8507845

12:39:38 assbot: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - carrier grade, data center ready mining rigs

12:41:52 punkman: think I've seen lots of people resell mbank debit cards

12:42:06 punkman: usually "anonymous"

12:43:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.293997 = 1.47 BTC [-]

12:43:41 punkman: fluffypony: if you already had an account with them, what's the benefit of the anx card?

12:43:57 fluffypony: punkman: I didn't realise that it was provided by mBank

12:44:33 fluffypony: this was just for fun and to have something lying around that I can load BTC on to and swipe if I really want to

12:46:00 wywialm: the ANX card is not anonymous, is it?

12:46:31 fluffypony: wywialm you have to verify your account with ANX

12:46:35 fluffypony: but the card is in their name

12:46:45 fluffypony: and verification is pretty loose

12:47:01 wywialm: thanks for the info

12:52:00 BingoBoingo: %ob

12:52:01 atcbot: 16k@250 2k@245 43k@221 | 95k@175 15k@170 125k@165

12:59:48 thestringpuller: ;;ticker

12:59:49 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 502.65, Best ask: 504.0, Bid-ask spread: 1.35000, Last trade: 502.63, 24 hour volume: 6750.38002864, 24 hour low: 496.79, 24 hour high: 515.95, 24 hour vwap: 505.080802734

12:59:53 thestringpuller: is ticker down?

12:59:59 thestringpuller: oops

13:00:02 thestringpuller: XD

13:06:51 BingoBoingo: !up mpmcsweeney

13:13:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8400 @ 0.00064335 = 5.4041 BTC [+] {2}

13:21:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00063631 = 6.4904 BTC [-] {2}

13:36:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.293998 = 0.882 BTC [+]

13:39:02 BingoBoingo: Carp in an Eastern European commercial >> http://i.crackedcdn.com/phpimages/article/3/2/4/306324_v1.gif

13:40:19 BingoBoingo: !up gernika

13:40:25 BingoBoingo: Hello gernika

13:40:28 gernika: Hi

13:42:00 BingoBoingo: What brings you round these parts. (apologies If I've asked before, I drink)

13:42:58 gernika: Ah. Well, I'm interested in bitcoin. Been reading the logs for a few weeks now.

13:43:20 nubbins`: !up samO

13:43:34 nubbins`: oh, hm

13:43:44 nubbins`: !down Guest32652

13:43:47 nubbins`: !up samO

13:44:16 samO: thx nubbins`

13:44:43 nubbins`: willkommen

13:44:43 BingoBoingo: Cool

13:46:15 BingoBoingo: %p

13:46:20 atcbot: No data returned from CoinMiner.net

13:46:20 atcbot: [PityThePool Hashrate]: 718.23 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.26 TH/s

13:46:41 thestringpuller: %d

13:46:42 atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 240385.82 in 1737 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -87.20

13:46:54 thestringpuller: LOL

13:47:41 BingoBoingo: %tslb

13:47:42 atcbot: 1 hour 0 minutes and 15 seconds

13:47:48 BingoBoingo: It's definitely moving

13:47:50 BingoBoingo: %t

13:47:51 atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 175 Ask: 221 Last Price: 170 24h-Vol: 0k High: N/A Low: N/A VWAP: N/A

13:47:52 thestringpuller: lol whut???????

13:48:04 thestringpuller: ;;tslb

13:48:09 gribble: Time since last block: 41 minutes and 14 seconds

13:48:09 BingoBoingo: Still stuck in that post dump price standoff

13:54:01 nubbins`: woo, i've got enough aeroplan points for two round-trip tickets anywhere in north america

13:54:59 *: nubbins` twists invisible mustache

13:55:40 xmj: congrats

13:58:18 thestringpuller: nubbins` wubbins

14:00:19 thestringpuller: nubbins`: the designer will email you with a signed message

14:00:28 thestringpuller: ;;gettrust petenineteen

14:00:28 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user petenineteen: Level 1: 6, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=thestringpuller&dest=petenineteen | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=petenineteen | Rated since: Wed Aug 20 22:28:26 2014

14:00:37 nubbins`: tyvm for the pre-announcement 8)

14:01:29 thestringpuller: ;;gettrust nubbins

14:01:29 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user nubbins: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=thestringpuller&dest=nubbins | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=nubbins | Rated since: never

14:04:12 pankkake: ;;gettrust thestringpuller nubbins`

14:04:12 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user nubbins`: Level 1: 2, Level 2: 6 via 4 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=thestringpuller&dest=nubbins%60 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=nubbins%60 | Rated since: Wed Oct 16 19:58:53 2013

14:04:29 pankkake: nubbins prime?

14:04:42 thestringpuller: yup

14:04:49 pankkake: or nubbins backtick

14:09:36 nubbins`: backtick, i guess

14:09:42 nubbins`: i'm admittedly unsure

14:28:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1212 @ 0.00083001 = 1.006 BTC [-]

14:37:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7600 @ 0.00063564 = 4.8309 BTC [-]

15:31:09 jborkl: http://www.bcoinnews.com/price/ added BTC/gold to the grid and to the main price ticker

15:31:10 assbot: Bitcoin exchange price

15:32:52 thestringpuller: interesting jborkl

15:32:58 thestringpuller: random question for you

15:33:05 jborkl: sure

15:33:06 thestringpuller: old mining hardware that becomes worthless to run as diff goes up

15:33:11 thestringpuller: is it best to throw it away

15:33:23 thestringpuller: or would their be a way to recycle the components in some kinda "liquidation event"?

15:33:41 ben_vulpes: forum'll apparently buy anything.

15:33:42 kakobrekla: yeah, you can liquidate it by throwing it in hot magma

15:33:51 thestringpuller: LOL kakobrekla

15:33:58 jborkl: mine is in the closet, the fpgas retained value since they could be retasked

15:34:12 jborkl: but current gen i think trash

15:34:51 thestringpuller: I was just wondering because I used to do IT for a company that would buy large amounts of old CPU's, and sell them to recyclers who would extract precious metals from them.

15:36:41 jborkl: I am not sure on that one 100%, I don't think there is anything worth it

15:37:09 jborkl: but I do not really know, just looking at the ones under my desk and they look like trash

15:37:12 jborkl: heh

15:38:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22200 @ 0.0006385 = 14.1747 BTC [+]

15:38:09 kakobrekla: ;;bc,stats

15:38:12 gribble: Current Blocks: 317427 | Current Difficulty: 2.38446700388033E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 318527 | Next Difficulty In: 1100 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 6 hours, 29 minutes, and 46 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 25928994612.9 | Estimated Percent Change: 8.74126

15:40:47 thestringpuller: that's so sad

15:40:55 thestringpuller: what a waste of silicon with such a limited lifespan....

15:41:03 ben_vulpes: <BlueMeanie4> some of these bitcoin people are reminiscint of the french revolution. for a few weeks they thought they could completely redesign the whole universe. << that party did rewrite the rules, and bitcoin'll do the same.

15:41:36 ben_vulpes: (1500 lines behind...)

15:45:10 pankkake: uh, if Bitcoin is the French revolution, I'm out

15:49:28 artifexd: ;;later tell mike_c Any thoughts on why S.MPOE has fallen off a cliff?

15:49:29 gribble: The operation succeeded.

15:50:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6945 @ 0.00064287 = 4.4647 BTC [+]

15:55:50 nubbins`: http://imgur.com/R94Qmw0

15:55:50 assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer

15:55:56 nubbins`: ^ just arrived in the mail :D

15:56:41 pankkake: nice

15:57:07 pankkake: was that expensive or did no one think about buying those?

15:57:42 nubbins`: they're very hard to find

15:58:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5766 @ 0.00064264 = 3.7055 BTC [-]

16:00:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.58037915 BTC to 14`987 shares, 10545 satoshi per share

16:01:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 2.54147348 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 221 satoshi per share

16:04:45 b00lcrap: test

16:04:55 ben_vulpes: pong

16:04:59 ben_vulpes: ack

16:05:00 ben_vulpes: derp

16:05:03 b00lcrap: herp

16:06:23 TomServo: nubbins`: Mind mentioning how/where you found it?

16:09:46 b00lcrap: there was an Easter egg hunt?

16:11:09 TomServo: !up Kamuela

16:11:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9089 @ 0.00063564 = 5.7773 BTC [-]

16:12:01 nubbins`: TomServo, got it from another collector :D

16:14:44 TheNewDeal: !t m s.mpoe

16:14:45 assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00062893 / 0.00063654 / 0.00064393 (694057 shares, 441.80 BTC), 7D: 0.00062821 / 0.00065564 / 0.00070855 (4324841 shares, 2,835.54 BTC), 30D: 0.00062821 / 0.0007684 / 0.00094217 (18819481 shares, 14,460.91 BTC)

16:14:49 Kamuela: do you folks have a favorite crypto market?

16:15:02 TheNewDeal: krakken

16:15:05 TheNewDeal: it really kraks me up

16:16:21 kakobrekla: kraken is selective scam

16:17:48 TheNewDeal: I was reading an article the other day that the founder/owner created it after helping mark karpeles run mt gox

16:17:53 TheNewDeal: made me chuckle

16:18:36 Kamuela: trying to open chrome on mint... and nothing happens. it's like trying to start a car with a dead battery

16:18:46 asciilifeform: b00lcrap: this isn't how it works. gotta say something of substance.

16:19:19 b00lcrap: haha

16:19:21 b00lcrap: im just observing

16:19:30 b00lcrap: so far i have said nothing

16:19:45 b00lcrap: mostly just idle.

16:19:50 Kamuela: I read the article on nakamotoinstitute that mentioned this channel

16:20:05 Kamuela: got me all hoo-rah'd and so here I am

16:20:05 TheNewDeal: never heard of nakomotoinstitute

16:20:07 TheNewDeal: who wrote that

16:20:28 Kamuela: did I probably butcher the real name? lol let me try to get the link. give me a moment to delete my chrome profile...

16:20:36 TomServo: http://nakamotoinstitute.org/

16:20:36 assbot: Satoshi Nakamoto Institute

16:20:40 TomServo: presumably

16:21:11 TomServo: Kamuela: But which article references b-a?

16:21:35 Kamuela: I'm trying to fix chrome so I can show you lol, the process refuses to die

16:23:17 TomServo: Gah, I forgot MP had an article there.. it was probably: http://nakamotoinstitute.org/gpg-contracts/

16:23:18 assbot: GPG Contracts | Satoshi Nakamoto Institute

16:23:40 Kamuela: http://nakamotoinstitute.org/mempool/bitcoin-killer-of-nietzschean-nihilism/

16:23:40 assbot: Bitcoin: Killer of Nietzschean Nihilism | Satoshi Nakamoto Institute

16:24:46 TheNewDeal: that's a bcp article

16:24:50 TheNewDeal: pete_d

16:26:07 Duffer1: looks like he was credited, but i can't tell what the website is supposed to be

16:28:02 pankkake: they're credited and were asked

16:28:46 TheNewDeal: website is just a blog aggregator it looks like, also add in some "reading materials"

16:28:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5365 @ 0.0006101 = 3.2732 BTC [-] {12}

16:29:21 pankkake: well, it's a human selection

16:30:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 225 @ 0.00287188 = 0.6462 BTC [+] {2}

16:33:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.29399928 = 2.058 BTC [+] {2}

16:34:23 TheNewDeal: true true

16:34:53 Kamuela: TheNewDeal: is it? i was under the impression mempool was all original articles

16:34:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10834 @ 0.00063841 = 6.9165 BTC [+]

16:35:06 Kamuela: extremely exuberant pro-Bitcoin original articles lol

16:36:18 TheNewDeal: what do you mean by original articles?

16:37:39 TheNewDeal: about 3/4 of them are written by two of the site "Director of Research" or "Treasurer"

16:42:19 Duffer1: !up kamuela

16:42:53 Kamuela: Duffer1: thank you

16:42:58 Duffer1: ^.^

16:43:00 Kamuela: TheNewDeal: we may be talking about two different things

16:44:12 TheNewDeal: http://nakamotoinstitute.org/mempool/

16:44:13 assbot: The Memory Pool | Satoshi Nakamoto Institute

16:44:19 TheNewDeal: that's what I'm talking about

16:45:22 Kamuela: ah yeah, same here. you said blog aggregator though, which is why i said that it seemed they were original articles, which they are, right?

16:45:39 Kamuela: not saying they're more than essays though or that the main focus of that area is lots of content

16:46:40 TheNewDeal: I was wondering what you considered an "original article"

16:49:14 Kamuela: content that wasn't republished from somewhere else. am i totally wrong? do all those cite their original sources?

16:49:24 Kamuela: figured they were born on the site

16:54:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 70 @ 0.01173 = 0.8211 BTC [+]

16:54:38 pankkake: some of them were first published there yes

16:55:21 TheNewDeal: the only article not written by the two site people is the one from pete_d

16:55:57 mircea_popescu: <fluffypony> it seems decent - based out of Hong Kong, so that's their primary market the cards are backed by a bank in Poland << so weirdly contradictory.

16:56:15 fluffypony: lol

16:56:21 fluffypony: it's prepaid debit cards

16:56:27 fluffypony: so it doesn't really matter who issues them :)

16:56:39 mircea_popescu: no argument, it's just teh postmodernism

16:57:10 thestringpuller: ;;later tell mike_c seconded

16:57:10 gribble: The operation succeeded.

16:57:32 mircea_popescu: punkman:

16:57:32 mircea_popescu: interesting "When a buy or sell order is submitted, the ANXBTC platform receives matching orders from an extensive number of buyers and sellers who have registered as part of the ANX Open Dealer Network. " << "we selftrade. deal with it"

16:59:35 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: What brings you round these parts. (apologies If I've asked before, I drink) << i'm stealin gthis one.

17:00:24 nubbins`: !up topace

17:00:59 mircea_popescu: nubbins`: tyvm for the pre-announcement 8) << it's out of this world how the guy does things innit.

17:01:15 nubbins`: "does" ;D

17:01:46 mircea_popescu: it's almost as if he spent too long working in some large corp and it... changed him.

17:02:03 nubbins`: one of the reasons why i got out while i still could

17:02:21 nubbins`: "jon, you're drowning this man in information" "oh fuck, you're right"

17:02:26 TheNewDeal: ;;calc 204310/(100*pi)

17:02:26 gribble: 650.338928462

17:02:49 nubbins`: gallery: http://imgur.com/a/putkr

17:02:49 assbot: The Times January 3 2009 - Imgur

17:03:11 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: yeah, you can liquidate it by throwing it in hot magma << if you can throw things into it (-> air exposed) it's probably not hot enough to liquidate Si.

17:04:43 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller: what a waste of silicon with such a limited lifespan.... << one of the more abundant elements and what sand is made out of. i never thought i'd see one feel sorry ~for silicon~

17:05:25 mircea_popescu: pankkake: uh, if Bitcoin is the French revolution, I'm out << the discussion was to amplitude. it is just as large an event. as i say there, it just happens to be going the other way, that's all.

17:08:15 mircea_popescu: Duffer1: looks like he was credited, but i can't tell what the website is supposed to be << best i can determine, it's aiming to be a b-a without the ba, predicated on the theory that you can somehow have ideologically neutral sources of power.

17:08:37 mircea_popescu: this is a lulzy proposition, but too complex a point to try and explain it. cheaper to just let people try and pick up the pieces later.

17:15:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10451 @ 0.0006015 = 6.2863 BTC [-] {21}

17:20:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7014 @ 0.0006 = 4.2084 BTC [-] {4}

17:25:24 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: re: irc - perhaps the conformal servers?

17:25:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 83 @ 0.01166 = 0.9678 BTC [-]

17:27:10 Duffer1: !up kamuela

17:27:16 Kamuela: Thank you Duffer1

17:27:22 Duffer1: sure man

17:27:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69598 @ 0.0006433 = 44.7724 BTC [+] {3}

17:28:28 penguirker: New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/california-gold-rush-vs-bitcoin-mining-rush/

17:29:34 ben_vulpes: who is bcoinnews.com?

17:29:59 pankkake: jborkl

17:32:33 kakobrekla: if you can throw things into it (-> air exposed) < that is your ASSumption . i didnt say lava.

17:32:46 nubbins`: AYYYOOOOO

17:33:34 nubbins`: although this does bring us to the question of how you can throw things into magma

17:33:43 nubbins`: !up mpmcsweeney

17:34:43 *: kakobrekla ponders how to get out of that one.

17:34:45 kakobrekla: ah i got it.

17:34:57 nubbins`: argon

17:35:01 kakobrekla: its an exercise to alert reader.

17:35:58 nubbins`: hm.

17:36:28 nubbins`: suppose the molten rock is rising to the top of the cone, but has not yet reached it

17:36:37 nubbins`: still magma at this point?

17:37:01 kakobrekla: http://www.insidethevolcano.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Magma-Chamber-inside1.jpg

17:37:12 *: nubbins` nods

17:38:46 kakobrekla: yeah mp, we totaly pwnd you. next time just say lol!

17:38:48 nubbins`: but would it melt Si!

17:41:37 kakobrekla: that is not even the point for a while now.

17:42:32 nubbins`: fair enough

17:42:51 nubbins`: meantime, your 5 posters should be printed and mailed out within the next week or so

17:44:09 kakobrekla: cool

17:47:08 Kamuela: i'm trying to figure out the best way to crowdfund a bitcoin project. i really want to give equity and profit-sharing because i think anything else is BS

17:57:54 kakobrekla: !up Kamuela

17:58:06 Kamuela: thank you kakobrekla

17:58:33 kakobrekla: what is the project about?

18:00:50 Kamuela: briefly, a bitcoin work market a la odesk. development team ready

18:02:31 kakobrekla: and you need capital for ?

18:03:55 Kamuela: kakobrekla: MVP development

18:05:28 kakobrekla: who are you/your team?

18:05:50 Kamuela: I'm in talks with differential to do it in the meteor framework

18:06:00 Kamuela: http://differential.io

18:06:00 assbot: Differential | We Build Big Ideas

18:06:05 Kamuela: lol

18:06:32 kakobrekla: so you wanna be the ceo and pay someone to code something up?

18:07:22 kakobrekla: but to pay you need get capital.

18:07:32 kakobrekla: am i missing something?

18:07:36 Kamuela: i could attempt to develop it myself, but my skills there are really crap. i have designs and nearing full use cases for the MVP

18:08:03 Kamuela: yes, you've got it

18:08:17 thestringpuller: so you come to us #b-a this the day of our daughter's wedding

18:09:07 Kamuela: i'd like to keep it within bitcoin's community and equity based because everything else is a crock of sh** honestly. it's not fair to give people merchandise and coupons for something that's going to generate revenue

18:09:59 kakobrekla: ok so who are you and what makes you think you are theoretically capable of running such a thing?

18:10:13 Kamuela: and for it to be truly competitive to something like odesk, it will need to be flexible enough to establish itself in an overseas jurisdiction only when completely necessary. meaning dealing in USD first and setting up a bank account makes it legally complex from the getgo

18:11:18 Kamuela: someone who shares the interests of many for a Bitcoin work market, a go-to for both supplemental and potentially off-grid lifestyles

18:12:28 Kamuela: why am i the one? because i'm committed to keeping it useful for people as far as it can be taken. i'm not looking to grow and sell out. my interests are aligned with keeping it one of the most decentralized ways to act in the BTC economy

18:12:53 kakobrekla: how is it decentralized?

18:13:38 Kamuela: initially it isn't, it's a single-server application. but ultimately i will seek to develop many methods of access via alternate and distributed networks

18:14:12 Kamuela: the technology isn't decentralized first, but the idea that anyone can offer services and receive Bitcoin as compensation is the most decentralized of all exchanges, imo

18:14:24 Kamuela: you're always subject to a bank at a cash exchange

18:15:30 Kamuela: you also need to solve the problem of "what is Bitcoin useful for"

18:15:52 abathingape: http://np.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2eh2du/with_the_mtgox_fiasco_being_long_forgotten_mark/ck058mn?context=3

18:15:53 assbot: trixisowned comments on With the mtgox fiasco being long forgotten, Mark Karpeles launches a new business, "forever.net" selling VPS, VoIP & dedicated servers: bitcoin is NOT accepted.

18:15:54 abathingape: kekeke

18:16:28 Kamuela: speculating? that's it? one of the biggest uses of currency is in transaction and the building of capital. we have some stock markets and that's great and will continue to grow along with 2.0 uses, but as a currency it needs to facilitate real trade

18:17:29 Kamuela: the superniche initial target market are just Bitcoin supporters and enthusiasts, but ultimately it can compete with something like odesk by undercutting its fees especially as in many places getting into Bitcoin is getting ridiculously easy, meaning obtaining it

18:17:47 Kamuela: getting out is a bit harder, but something the initial contractors will shoulder voluntarily

18:18:05 kakobrekla: still dont know who you are.

18:18:45 Kamuela: who should I be? as a serious question

18:19:21 kakobrekla: ok, so this is me: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=kakobrekla

18:19:21 assbot: Rating Details for User 'kakobrekla'

18:19:23 kakobrekla: who are you?

18:20:08 Kamuela: kakobrekla: https://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=126219604

18:20:09 assbot: Sign Up | LinkedIn

18:20:29 kakobrekla: sez enter username and password

18:21:10 Kamuela: are linkedin profiles not public?

18:21:24 kakobrekla: nfi

18:22:23 Kamuela: kakobrekla: does this also require a login? http://lnkd.in/bA2NERy

18:22:25 assbot: Kamuela Franco | LinkedIn

18:22:52 kakobrekla: works

18:26:09 mod6: ;;seen moiety

18:26:10 gribble: moiety was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 weeks, 1 day, 7 hours, 10 minutes, and 35 seconds ago: <moiety> manuls for all! :]

18:27:22 kakobrekla: Kamuela well anyway, i can only show you the door, you are the one who has to step through it; http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets

18:27:22 assbot: first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki]

18:29:40 kakobrekla: (fyi i send everyone there, even ninjashogun - bad cases get slaughtered sooner or later)

18:29:56 kakobrekla: !up Kamuela

18:34:42 kakobrekla: also this is you? http://web.archive.org/web/20120801003219/http://kamuelafranco.com/

18:34:43 assbot: Idealism Personified - KamuelaFranco.com

18:38:09 Kamuela: kakobrekla: thank you, man, for both the voice and that

18:38:44 Kamuela: kakobrekla: it was me, but i've had that domain for years and years (previously) and some of the older stuff definitely reflects being 11 years old!

18:40:35 TheNewDeal: is moiety ded?

18:41:53 kakobrekla: TheNewDeal she left for undetermined amounts of t-matter.

18:42:31 TomServo: TheNewDeal: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-08-2014#788458

18:42:31 assbot: Logged on 10-08-2014 11:09:36; moiety: I really didn't know what to say yesterday but I've had time to think now. I will leave the phone line on for the remainder of the term when I can and update the blog but I won't be able to be on IRC. Since I won't be on IRC anymore, if there is anything I should really know, please leave a message on skype or the blog. The reasons being, this isn't working out for me and I need to focus on working to keep

18:42:52 TomServo: Woah, that's new right?

18:43:12 kakobrekla: it sez right there, Logged on 10-08-2014 11:09:36

18:43:38 TomServo: I mean assbot quoting the actual log entry

18:43:45 kakobrekla: a.

18:43:54 kakobrekla: 2 days.

18:44:04 TomServo: Cool.

18:44:05 BingoBoingo: Guess who just had the Feds knock on their door!

18:44:22 kakobrekla: lol

18:44:26 kakobrekla: did you give them cookies?

18:45:58 BingoBoingo: Nah, Just let them in on all of my nothing I knew about a connection they suspected between DBordello's BTCPack and The Silk Road

18:45:59 TomServo: Or Gin and Tonic at least?

18:46:12 BingoBoingo: Nope, we stood in the front yard and talked

18:46:23 BingoBoingo: In the heat

18:47:22 kakobrekla: SR, really?

18:47:24 kakobrekla: still ?

18:47:29 BingoBoingo: I tried to explain the stupid Devcoin thing I used to get Bitcoins.

18:47:39 BingoBoingo: Yes, asking about the Silk Road

18:47:54 Duffer1: did they ask about your own bitcoin holdings?

18:47:58 Duffer1: or was it all SR?

18:48:27 BingoBoingo: It was all TSR and possible connections between it and BTCPak

18:48:51 TheNewDeal: going to have to look up this btcpak

18:49:06 Duffer1: yea never heard of that one

18:49:12 BingoBoingo: It was a site, you send Bitcoin they sent prepaid reload codes.

18:49:41 BingoBoingo: DBordello ran it

18:49:53 BingoBoingo: At the time CoinBase wasn't a thing I'd heard of

18:51:08 Duffer1: i wonder what makes them believe there's a connection

18:51:16 BingoBoingo: It was an Pasty Irish FBI agent who didn't want to stand in the sun and a Treasury agent

18:51:33 BingoBoingo: Duffer1: They said because it looks so anonymous.

18:51:42 Duffer1: .......

18:51:49 TheNewDeal: what the hell does that mean?

18:52:14 *: BingoBoingo is thankful he managed to avoid the whole Silk Road thing.

18:52:18 Duffer1: american enforcement mentality

18:52:32 Duffer1: black guy in hoody in winter? lets search him

18:52:44 TheNewDeal: looks anonymous!

18:52:49 BingoBoingo: Hi Agent Broachwala and/or your colleagues!

18:53:07 TheNewDeal: did they mean it looks Anonymous?

18:53:18 Duffer1: ohh

18:54:14 BingoBoingo: Seriously the kept saying suggesting everything in the Bitcoin was shady Tor related stuff.

18:54:33 BingoBoingo: Black Markets and all that.

18:55:04 TheNewDeal: if we can't trace it exactly... it's gotta be underground

18:55:53 BingoBoingo: They were like no one uses Bitcoin actually at Overstock.com ; I'm like... actually I totally bought a watch and some other shit http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/01/13/overstock-com-prolly-not-a-scam/

18:55:55 assbot: Overstock.com: Prolly not a scam | Bingo Blog

18:56:20 TheNewDeal: did they give you a decent exchange rate

18:56:49 Duffer1: i bought a handmade spalted mable/bubinga keepsake box for bitcoin on saturday

18:56:58 BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: BTCPak was kind of a Gyp, but at the time it was the only thing that really.... Seemed reliable

18:57:09 BingoBoingo: Without taking days.

18:58:11 TheNewDeal: gotcha

18:58:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27631 @ 0.00064393 = 17.7924 BTC [+]

18:58:20 BingoBoingo: The seemed so fucking incredulous that I with my unkempt hair and beard, could have somehow not used the silk road

18:59:32 BingoBoingo: !up mike_c

19:01:05 TheNewDeal: it's true, all unkempt hair & bearders at one time used the silk road

19:01:21 TheNewDeal: !up kamuela

19:03:22 *: BingoBoingo did not spot where they had a actually parked their Gasenwagen

19:06:38 Kamuela: TheNewDeal: thank you

19:07:01 TheNewDeal: everybody gets one

19:08:04 BingoBoingo: These agents apparently came all the way down from fucking Peoria, the one's card says.


19:09:08 BingoBoingo: They were prolly so insistent because it would suck to be them and drive all of the way down here to meet with a person as boring as myself.

19:09:46 TheNewDeal: hahaha

19:09:56 TheNewDeal: we're SURE you're more eccentric

19:10:28 BingoBoingo: !up mike_c_on_the_ro

19:10:34 mike_c_on_the_ro: thanks.

19:10:54 BingoBoingo: I'm like if you want to talk shady sports betting sites that ran with user money... I know a couple. Fucking bitcoinsports.eu

19:10:58 mike_c_on_the_ro: mod6:;;later tell mike_c need help with WoL << what can I do you for?

19:11:25 ben_vulpes: <gribble> Rating entry successful. Your rating for user danielpbarron has changed from 8 to -1. << now that's nuts. 8 to -1? you people need to move more slowly with your ratings.

19:11:48 mike_c_on_the_ro: ;;seen mod6

19:11:49 gribble: mod6 was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 45 minutes and 40 seconds ago: <mod6> ;;seen moiety

19:12:10 mod6: check on game 700

19:12:26 mike_c_on_the_ro: goddamnit. ok, will do.

19:12:37 mod6: heh, no worries. just a heads up from this weekend.

19:13:03 BingoBoingo: The shitty thing about the ordeal on them asking about the goddamned Silk Road I didn't use was their knocking woke me up from my day-slumber

19:13:17 mike_c_on_the_ro: just frustrating, i thought i had that fixed.

19:13:37 BingoBoingo: So I'm looking like a fucking sweaty unkempt hobo meeting with these guys in the front lawn.

19:21:15 BingoBoingo: Really weird thing was the Agents suggesting that I'd never expect them to find me. I DON"T WORK THAT HARD TO KEEP ANONYMOUS. I just do the minimum to keep poor kids in shitholes from harassing me into giving them money.

19:22:47 TheNewDeal: love it

19:23:27 BingoBoingo: My impression of them before the badges cam out was they might be process servers come to harass me over student load debt.

19:23:32 BingoBoingo: *loan

19:24:51 mike_c_on_the_ro: you going to immortalize them in a blog post?

19:25:17 mike_c_on_the_ro: !t m s.mpoe

19:25:18 assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00062893 / 0.00063788 / 0.00064393 (698020 shares, 445.26 BTC), 7D: 0.00062821 / 0.00065441 / 0.00070855 (4353254 shares, 2,848.85 BTC), 30D: 0.00062821 / 0.00076768 / 0.00094217 (18927544 shares, 14,530.40 BTC)

19:25:32 BingoBoingo: mike_c_on_the_ro: Prolly. After I take a shower.

19:25:39 BingoBoingo: I was fucking hot outside.

19:27:59 thestringpuller: !last m s.mpoe

19:27:59 assbot: Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.00064393 BTC [+]

19:31:49 BingoBoingo: Also Hollywood lied. The FBI agent was wearing a black business suit, but instead a white polo and khakis.

19:34:49 *: BingoBoingo wonders how much time they will invest in trying to figure out the Devcoin thing

19:39:51 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all

19:39:57 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 504.44, vol: 5556.89140818 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 501.451, vol: 2201.41425 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 502.45, vol: 7039.32678866 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 532.99, vol: 13.94734986 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 500.452875, vol: 14642.32000000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 516.11742, vol: 27.56 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 515.885399987, vol: 28.27053224 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)

19:57:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 68 @ 0.01173226 = 0.7978 BTC [+] {5}

19:58:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 86 @ 0.01175 = 1.0105 BTC [+]

20:01:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15078 @ 0.00064715 = 9.7577 BTC [+] {2}

20:02:34 thestringpuller: ;;later tell tylander sup

20:02:34 gribble: The operation succeeded.

20:03:30 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: taleb << asciilifeform of course, who else?

20:03:58 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: guy's what, 60 by now ? << born 1960 it seems

20:05:26 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lol, you read Kvant ?!?! << who is this man, what sort of devil is he?

20:06:26 pete_dushenski: http://fraudsters.com/2014/how-i-was-wrong-cuckolding-or-a-story-about-sigmas/#comment-106551

20:06:27 assbot: How I was wrong : Cuckolding, or a story about sigmas pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

20:07:24 pete_dushenski: decimation: asciilifeform: "it pattern-matches 'derp' and throws my concentration" << yeah I have the same experience. << you gents need better filters!

20:08:07 thestringpuller: ;;google GTA V original music

20:08:07 gribble: The Music of Grand Theft Auto V - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Music_of_Grand_Theft_Auto_V; Grand Theft Auto V soundtrack - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Theft_Auto_V_soundtrack; The Music of Grand Theft Auto V: Three Volume Digital Album Now ...: (1 more message)

20:08:55 thestringpuller: Damn i need to play this game again

20:09:20 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: decimation so taleb's mistake is that he's being a BANAL asshole ? << he does get a lot of the "o this is nothing new" retort

20:12:46 pete_dushenski: xanthyos: ;;rate danielpbarron -1 fickle with his friends, uses the bible to justify being disloyal << o_O drama

20:13:22 Duffer1: Amazon aquired Twitch

20:13:37 mike_c_on_the_ro: mod6: fixed.. going to dig into root cause when I get home. sorry for the hiccup.

20:13:48 mod6: no prob! thanks!

20:14:07 jborkl: http://www.coindesk.com/black-market-cannabis-road-hacked-loses-100000-bitcoin/

20:14:07 assbot: Black Market Cannabis Road Hacked, $100,000 in Bitcoin Lost

20:14:11 jborkl: :/

20:14:22 jborkl: really come on now

20:14:55 thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: there is a saying: Loyalty to the End do you know what it means?

20:15:24 pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: sure

20:18:25 jborkl: oh, they were hit by the 1cat burglar

20:18:46 jborkl: not to be mistaken with the 1 ham burglar

20:21:22 jurov: re: melting Si - can't the purified Si monocrystal substrate reused to make another IC? asciilifeform what do you think?

20:21:32 jurov: *be

20:22:52 kakobrekla: well, given enough energy everything can be made into anything

20:22:53 thestringpuller: i shouldn't have said specifically Si, but more like the gold and silver also stored in the IC's

20:23:25 pete_dushenski: Kamuela: you also need to solve the problem of "what is Bitcoin useful for" << classic. like SDRs should buy tacos nao

20:24:28 thestringpuller: ;;ud SDR

20:24:29 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=SDR | An abbreviation meaning stop, drop and roll. Used to comment on pictures that are particularly hot. "Woah, sdr coz u look hot!" by deldo July 11, 2008. 5 4. Merch .

20:24:40 thestringpuller: not thinking that's the right one

20:24:45 thestringpuller: thinking*

20:25:35 TomServo: special drawing rights

20:25:43 pete_dushenski: Kamuela: why am i the one? because i'm committed to keeping it useful for people as far as it can be taken. i'm not looking to grow and sell out. my interests are aligned with keeping it one of the most decentralized ways to act in the BTC economy << "committed" is in no way a skill as it's here presented any more than a grade school student is committed to not getting an F.

20:26:03 pete_dushenski: Kamuela: not looking to sell out? 1) why not? 2) tough thing to prove

20:26:24 pete_dushenski: at least he came to the right place

20:27:29 kakobrekla: not too long ago someone pasted how its more about location than your cast.

20:28:36 pete_dushenski: kakobrekla: the selling out bit or the committed bit?

20:28:56 TomServo: !up Kamuela

20:28:59 kakobrekla: the right pace bit :D

20:29:03 Kamuela: thank you TomServo

20:29:04 kakobrekla: place*

20:29:52 Kamuela: pete_dushenski: who else is committed? have you heard of another project to do this? i'd be both willing to contribute and cease competitive efforts if you could point me in that direction

20:30:35 Kamuela: and a better question would be: why would I be crowdfunding if i didn't see marginal success somewhere else? it's usually cheaper to get funding within your own circle

20:31:01 Kamuela: far from being combative, i'm looking to understand where you're coming from

20:31:14 Kamuela: it must be that every member of ethereum has a long history of proven success right?

20:32:09 Kamuela: many less tangible projects have gotten ridiculous levels of funding, and i am DOING the legwork to make this happen. so when you ask what qualifies me, well, it's because i'm the guy DOING something

20:32:19 Kamuela: because i'm the guy here asking

20:32:22 kakobrekla: funny you mention ethereum.

20:32:38 Kamuela: yeah maybe it's a bad thing to mention, i don't want to be lumped into that "ether"

20:32:40 kakobrekla: !s chumpatron

20:32:41 assbot: 99 results for 'chumpatron' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=chumpatron

20:32:41 *: BingoBoingo was kind of disappointed that the Feds addressed me by my slave name

20:33:10 TomServo: BingoBoingo: I would've been thrilled if they used Atruk instead of BingoBoingo. :P

20:33:25 ThickAsThieves: http://www.cnet.com/news/amazon-to-buy-live-stream-gaming-site-twitch/ poor Twitch, not even worth an Instagram

20:33:27 assbot: Amazon to buy live-stream gaming site Twitch for $970M - CNET

20:33:56 TomServo: Wow. Bezos stole'd it.

20:34:01 pete_dushenski: Kamuela: http://contravex.com/2014/07/23/a-guide-to-buying-5000-ether-bitcoin-2-5x-more-than-ethereums-genesis-sale/

20:34:02 assbot: A Guide To Buying 5000 Ether/Bitcoin, 2.5x More Than Ethereum's Genesis Sale Offers | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski

20:34:21 punkman: BingoBoingo: did they say "BingoBoingo" at any point?

20:34:22 ThickAsThieves: twitch accepts bitcoin, so now youll see "Amazon adding Bitcoin" on reddit for 2 days

20:34:31 ThickAsThieves: watch this fuck up my short...

20:34:34 pete_dushenski: Kamuela: it must be that every member of ethereum has a long history of proven success right? << it must be nothing of the sort and is in fact quite that

20:34:56 pete_dushenski: but read the ethereum piece

20:34:59 punkman: he was going for sarcasm ^

20:35:29 BingoBoingo: punkman: no

20:35:46 Kamuela: I was indeed being sarcastic

20:35:49 BingoBoingo: TomServo: They asked for my forum name and I gave it to them after some reluctance

20:35:51 pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo was kind of disappointed that the Feds addressed me by my slave name << lmao

20:36:23 pete_dushenski: Kamuela: either way, there's really no rush to get your idea off the ground

20:36:51 pete_dushenski: to do it well, you'd be well served to get in the wot and spend the next 6-12 months reading every line of logs and getting to know the people around here

20:36:52 Kamuela: well, I'll ftfy: "either way, there's really no rush for I, pete_dushenski, to help get your idea off the ground"

20:37:05 punkman: Kamuela, having some experience in the matter, I'd recommend against copying the odesks and the elances

20:37:16 Kamuela: punkman: how so?

20:37:28 Kamuela: punkman: not necessarily your experience, but i mean what are you recommending against in particular

20:37:46 punkman: just take everythign they do, and do it the opposite way

20:37:47 pete_dushenski: brb

20:37:53 punkman: that might work

20:37:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1640 @ 0.00068997 = 1.1316 BTC [-] {3}

20:38:01 Kamuela: punkman: lmao, i don't exactly follow

20:38:58 Kamuela: certainly as a competitor to existing odesk businesses, the project will shape itself around the interests of its customers. but what initially or conceptually is wrong with the odesk style?

20:39:08 punkman: everything

20:39:33 Kamuela: for example, it seems so far from my interviews that something people really like is the guaranteed payment... something that this project would NOT be offering for at least a while. it certainly would not be part of the MVP

20:40:22 Kamuela: of course that's a bit of laziness on the part of vetting your customer, but i understand that what i call laziness other people call serving needs, which I completely respect the need to do

20:44:41 ThickAsThieves: people always enjoy promises that cant be kept

20:45:57 TomServo: Pff. Schneier says "Matthew Green has a good post on what's wrong with PGP and what should be done about it." (with link of course)

20:46:09 TomServo: First comment: Did you have to fight the urge to call it a "pretty good post"?

20:47:01 punkman: ThickAsThieves: it'd be nice if there was someone playing matchmaker, vetting both sides, guaranteeing whatever he can afford to

20:47:07 punkman: don't even need a website

20:47:21 ThickAsThieves: well agents arent cheap

20:47:33 ThickAsThieves: nor sclable

20:47:33 punkman: odesk takes 10%

20:47:37 ThickAsThieves: scalable

20:47:54 Kamuela: and offers no escrow

20:47:58 punkman: don't need to scale

20:48:15 Kamuela: and addresses an $80 mil market

20:48:31 ThickAsThieves: surely bigger than $80m no?

20:48:34 Kamuela: with inferior financial technology

20:49:05 ThickAsThieves: "Cops found this wanted Nebraska man after he posted his Ice Bucket Challenge on Facebook."

20:50:27 Kamuela: the first couple thousand users on a Bitcoin-powered odesk are going to be BTC enthusiasts and folks looking to play around, meaning a release valve for pent-up demand for use of coins, and of course a dedicated following of people who want to try to make supplemental or full-time income doing btc freelance work

20:50:49 Kamuela: but after that there's a real competitive advantage to 10% and a couple days turn around time and <10% and 1 hour turnaround

20:51:26 Kamuela: especially when you factor in the fact that a bunch of the initial contractors are going to underprice in an attempt to gain customers, there's a real value proposition to a competing network

20:51:49 Kamuela: and odesk "just accepting Bitcoin" is a bigger deal with any real thought

20:52:06 Kamuela: meaning there's a whole lot of inertia to fight to make that happen

20:52:39 Kamuela: and how are they going to address a cheaper and lower-hassle competitor even with Bitcoin? will they openly say jobs paid in bitcoin are discounted? i don't think they could do that

20:53:07 Kamuela: ThickAsThieves: I don't know about the actual total market, but just odesk takes in $80mm

20:55:04 ThickAsThieves: isnt someone already working on this?

20:55:13 ThickAsThieves: Hearn, Popescu, etc

20:55:14 punkman: there's a few dozens of them

20:55:51 punkman: Kamuela, I think your plan is to make it prettier and with more javascripts?

20:57:43 Kamuela: there's a real potential to help me out in one way or another, but isn't it boring to make words and contribute nothing?

20:58:13 punkman: you can help yourself by reading teh logs

20:58:33 Kamuela: i don't mind the real questions, kakobrekla addressed a serious point of "who are you?" that's a real question that has to be answered

20:58:34 nubbins`: ;;view 21349

20:58:36 gribble: #21349 Mon Aug 25 13:40:55 2014 nubbins` SELL 1.0 'What is Bitcoin?' silkscreened art print @ 35 USD (18x24", limited edition of 45 available to public, 4-color silkscreen print on acid-free paper, pre-order price only. Shipping week of August 31.)

20:58:48 Duffer1: b-a are generally firm believers in the Eddy Murphie method of help

20:59:05 Kamuela: Eddy or charlie?

20:59:14 ThickAsThieves: Kamuela is asking for help?

20:59:14 Duffer1: er charlie right :P

20:59:17 Kamuela: Haha

20:59:24 ThickAsThieves: !up Kamuela

20:59:26 Kamuela: Meaning breaking my legs for learning

20:59:29 Kamuela: :P

20:59:31 kakobrekla: Kamuela that linkedin isnt much to go by.

20:59:35 TomServo: nubbins`: Is there a photo or sample of the poster?

20:59:40 Kamuela: kakobrekla: totally agreed

21:00:11 Kamuela: perhaps i'll have to be my own silent partner

21:00:19 punkman: lol

21:00:26 nubbins`: TomServo: i'm printing them this week, i do have a digital proof but i'd rather show off pictures of the actual silkscreened version. pics to follow, but you're buying blind if you pre-order ;)

21:01:07 Kamuela: because my connections at differential and the team there represent about 50 years of combined success in MVP's

21:01:11 nubbins`: price will probably be 40-45 once they're all printed, signed, numbered, and pictures taken

21:01:23 Kamuela: so if i found a way to make them shine i'd probably get farther along

21:01:36 TomServo: nubbins`: Cool thanks. I'll wait to see it.

21:02:10 *: nubbins` tips hat

21:02:13 nubbins`: it's gonna be a beaut

21:03:48 TheNewDeal: nubbins` can you pm me a digital version/

21:04:09 nubbins`: no sneak peeks :)

21:04:21 TheNewDeal: bah

21:04:51 TheNewDeal: I do like your work from what I've seen, but I haven't the slightest clue about this one

21:04:55 nubbins`: all i got is testimonials:

21:04:57 nubbins`: [00:13:41] <mircea_popescu> ok this rocks.

21:05:06 TheNewDeal: he got a sneak peak?

21:05:18 mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal his latest work was quite lovely.

21:05:23 nubbins`: he bought 50, he gets a sneak peek ;)

21:05:31 mircea_popescu: X-Rob want the same address used each week ?

21:05:32 TheNewDeal: haha I guess that may be fair

21:05:51 TheNewDeal: if I give you a zip code can you figure out shipping costs?

21:05:53 X-Rob: mircea_popescu: yes, please, I was going to remind you about that. Need to figure out the discount though.

21:06:14 TomServo: TheNewDeal: Mind if I PM?

21:06:14 mircea_popescu: just keep em running.

21:06:38 X-Rob: 1xrobauEmhLwVnTmLbs6M92n1xGFAFbgq is the address

21:06:46 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: its an exercise to alert reader. << ahh

21:06:50 nubbins`: TheNewDeal: totally. probably somewhere in the $20-ish range as a guess

21:07:02 TheNewDeal: you can pm me all you want bb ;)

21:07:27 TheNewDeal: so 20+35 pre order price?

21:08:44 mircea_popescu: Kamuela: briefly, a bitcoin work market a la odesk. development team ready << well, the thing is this : we;ve been wanting something like this built for about a year. finding someone to do it is hard, however, and moreover i won't support a would be ceo on op's work. i'd rather deal with the coder guy directly.

21:09:15 nubbins`: TheNewDeal yeah. buy with a friend to save on shipping ;D

21:09:22 mircea_popescu: half the value of b-a is taking the entire layer of would-be ceos out of business completely, as there's nothing really they can usefully contribute.

21:10:32 TheNewDeal: nubbins what would it be for 2+shipping?

21:11:21 nubbins`: no extra cost, it's just paper, so 70+20

21:12:20 TheNewDeal: no frameage?

21:12:28 *: nubbins` shakes head

21:12:36 nubbins`: framing it locally would be the sensible option

21:12:45 nubbins`: otherwise you're paying to ship a piece of glass across the continent :D

21:12:51 TheNewDeal: gotcha

21:13:36 TheNewDeal: whens the downpayment due?

21:13:40 nubbins`: you can even get em plaque-mounted, i've seen people do that

21:13:47 nubbins`: this coming friday

21:15:18 TheNewDeal: i say i say

21:15:29 TheNewDeal: how long does that stuff take to ship ya think?

21:16:16 mircea_popescu: https://btc.waroflife.com/gow/27/ << interesting bet calculator thingee mike added

21:16:16 assbot: Game 27 - Death 3686 Life 6314 Year 824 - War of Life

21:16:29 TheNewDeal: I actually like that

21:16:53 TheNewDeal: did he do it because of my horrible betting in game 26?

21:16:55 Kamuela: mircea_popescu: you seriously just said that?

21:17:00 mircea_popescu: Kamuela yes.

21:17:04 Kamuela: if you're working with them directly, doesn't that make you CEO?

21:17:10 Kamuela: have you contributed nothing useful?

21:17:19 Kamuela: all you just said was "hey same concept, but let me start it"

21:17:23 mircea_popescu: only in a very distant sort of manner. not in the traditional sense the term is used.

21:17:25 TheNewDeal: I thought he was the funding

21:17:59 mircea_popescu: Kamuela no, it wasn't "let me start it". it was "let the coder start it, and run it"

21:18:18 Kamuela: mircea_popescu: the coder doesn't want to do that. the coder wants to run a development shop

21:18:24 mircea_popescu: if i wanted to "start it" i'd have started it in 2012. but i don't, because i can't nor should i do everything.

21:18:28 Kamuela: are you anti-capitalist? seems like you're running counter to specialization and trade

21:18:31 mircea_popescu: well then fuck him, he can go die in a fire.

21:18:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.0006438 = 7.1462 BTC [-] {2}

21:18:45 mircea_popescu: need a better coder, which simply means ~actual~ one.

21:18:48 Kamuela: you're asking for a CEO

21:19:00 Kamuela: you just want it to be the build crew as well

21:19:00 mircea_popescu: im running counter to some very particular, bad implementations of capitalism.

21:19:07 mircea_popescu: this being a recurring discussion these days it seems.

21:19:20 Kamuela: are you the type who thinks that

21:19:27 Kamuela: Apple would have been a better company without steve jobs

21:19:32 Kamuela: that he contributed nothing

21:19:33 mircea_popescu: but anyway : specialisation is not a good thing just for the mere fact that it's specialisation.

21:19:45 mircea_popescu: jobs was not the ceo in the sense you use the term.

21:20:19 Kamuela: CEO's contribute vision, investor and customer relations, executive decisions, accountability, etc. could all of these things be "in-sourced," sure, and they are in a lot of cases

21:20:19 punkman: "Specialization is for insects"

21:20:29 Kamuela: punkman: Heinlein

21:20:46 mircea_popescu: Kamuela you know you're just calling it "vision" to avoid saying "ceo is the guy who wants money for nothing and thinks this wil wash"

21:20:58 mircea_popescu: there's no value in "ideas" and rebranding them as "vision" won't wash.

21:21:05 mircea_popescu: money comes through work.

21:21:15 Kamuela: who says i'm asking for money?

21:21:25 Kamuela: i'm asking for capital

21:21:28 mircea_popescu: asking is not the problem.

21:21:56 Kamuela: i don't make money on a crowdfund, this is completely development and marketing runway

21:22:00 mircea_popescu: what i'm trying to impart to you is that this "take capital from idiots of type A and labour from idiots of type B" that silicon valley was built upon is dead in the water.

21:22:01 mircea_popescu: i

21:22:02 mircea_popescu: i

21:22:04 mircea_popescu: damn.

21:22:08 TheNewDeal: but MP, don't you remember the cyperpunks thought up PGP before it was implemented?!?!

21:22:15 mircea_popescu: i'll support the idiots of type b directly tyvm

21:22:27 TheNewDeal: they had the power to think, and not do

21:22:31 mircea_popescu: and that means the only way you'll be able to give them a worse deal is for as long as this elephant in the room stays secret.

21:22:40 mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal right right.

21:22:46 nubbins`: TheNewDeal: about a week-ish to ship

21:23:02 Kamuela: the thing is, if it were easy for builders and maintainers to be owners and operators, it'd be the rule instead of the exception

21:23:09 Kamuela: there isn't some mass scheme of exploitation going on

21:23:22 Kamuela: it's a rational choice between employment and entrepreneurship

21:23:24 mircea_popescu: it only isn't the rule because up until now there didn't exist this chan, and this ideology.

21:23:37 mircea_popescu: it will be the rule within your lifetime toh.

21:23:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22500 @ 0.00064572 = 14.5287 BTC [+]

21:25:09 Kamuela: so what will happen in my lifetime, you're saying, is that the profit motive will go away, all marginal cost will go to marginal benefit, and unicorns will come back from extinction

21:25:33 mircea_popescu: Kamuela no. i say that within your lifetime, you'll starve with this model of trying to ceo that i perceive you're trying to impl;ement

21:25:47 Kamuela: even if we are all managed by artificial intelligence, that artificial intelligence is still the capitalist

21:25:48 mircea_popescu: much like you'd have starved cca 1920 trying to be a buggy manufacturer.

21:27:22 Kamuela: something for nothing is what drives the world. it's what causes both its prosperity and its problems

21:27:41 mircea_popescu: Kamuela approach it from another angle, perhaps it's more digestible that way. suppose the worker's work was no good. you know this because the code doesn't compile. suppose the capital's no good. you know this because the check bounces.

21:27:48 mircea_popescu: now suppose your "vision" is no good.

21:27:58 Kamuela: i understand trying to eliminate that, but i think that will be done through solving information asymmetry rather than through eliminating... ideas?

21:28:00 mircea_popescu: you can'rt ever know this, can you ? that means you're not part of the pie, not adding value.

21:28:28 mircea_popescu: not eliminating ideas, but the brand of "ideas", or whatever it reforms as. this concept that one's personally important for no reason whatsoever.

21:28:33 mircea_popescu: "i thought of it first!!11" or w/e.

21:29:36 Kamuela: so... because i want to organize a bunch of people who don't know each other, because i interview potential customers, because i will continue to direct operations of both the MVP and later pivots, I am contributing "nothing?"

21:29:37 mircea_popescu: none of this is to say you personally are a bad guy or anything.

21:29:42 Kamuela: You're getting arbitrary and it's almost disrespectful

21:29:47 Kamuela: you act like i'm just trying to take something to a patent office

21:29:54 mircea_popescu: !up Kamuela

21:30:09 Kamuela: i acknowledge i didn't think of it first

21:30:15 Kamuela: and i'm not trying to cash in on that

21:30:18 mircea_popescu: don't get all bristly lol. anyway : there's tools to organize all that, use 'em.

21:30:32 Kamuela: well let's put it this way

21:30:44 Kamuela: i'm a manager

21:30:51 mircea_popescu: irl you mean ?

21:30:59 jborkl: good afternoon

21:31:05 Kamuela: in this project, and that's not some kind of a euphemism

21:31:12 Kamuela: i have to manage the programming team every day

21:31:19 mircea_popescu: you ever been a manager irl ?

21:31:27 mircea_popescu: ello jborkl

21:31:36 Kamuela: for brief positions of over 1700 employees actually yes

21:31:57 mircea_popescu: okay. so you know what an office manger is. sorta like a glorified receptionist, hires the cleanning crew, takes a weekly salary.

21:32:09 Kamuela: you're looking at me and saying that my skill in knowing how to accomplish EVERYTHING involved but simply not DOING everything involved is meaningless

21:32:24 mircea_popescu: pretty much, yeah.

21:32:31 mircea_popescu: i also know how the plumber should fix the pipes.

21:32:47 Kamuela: so do it yourself

21:32:49 mircea_popescu: i guess i could be the plumber's manager for as long as i stfu and don't go much in the way.

21:32:52 Kamuela: or you live a meaningless life

21:32:55 Kamuela: according to your own logic

21:33:10 mircea_popescu: as far as plumbing is concerned, i'm a negligible entity.

21:33:14 jurov: Kamuela, 90% of freelancer is web scraping and php plodding stuff. You can't combine this model with bitcoin economy, it needs something fundamentally else at this stage.

21:33:26 Kamuela: so if a task requires more than yourself, are you actually saying that hiring someone is being some kind of lazy ass

21:33:33 jborkl: yeah, or you are just me

21:33:37 mircea_popescu: Kamuela no, but you're welcome to that strawman if you wish.

21:33:48 Kamuela: mircea_popescu: how is that a strawman?

21:33:56 Kamuela: i have preplanned the MVP

21:34:02 Kamuela: i have design work done

21:34:15 Kamuela: and yet having the build done by a team that's better and uses time more effectively than i can

21:34:16 mircea_popescu: you have design done pre-product ?

21:34:19 Kamuela: is suddenly wrong in one person's eyes

21:34:26 mircea_popescu: this is like having painted the wall of the unbuilt house innit ?

21:34:47 Kamuela: no, this is like ensuring a house doesn't fall down by having blueprints drawn up before you put the pieces together

21:34:57 Kamuela: sorry, a 0-value activity

21:34:58 Kamuela: lol

21:35:16 mircea_popescu: o you don't mean what is normally meant by design online, ie, drawing up mockups of webpages. do you ?

21:35:28 Kamuela: you're just a little bit of a marxist... that's cool... i mean, i don't prefer it, but you are welcome to your own opinion

21:35:35 mircea_popescu: you designed, as in, software architecture. db models and whatnot. tho you don't code ?

21:35:40 X-Rob: mircea_popescu: I think it's fair, looking at the outage, if you just make it 0.2 rather than 0.22 for this week.

21:35:45 Kamuela: who told you i didn't code?

21:36:12 mircea_popescu: X-Rob im not going to bother with a coupla cents, just make sure the thing stays online.

21:36:31 mircea_popescu: Kamuela im just sorta following along. do you ?

21:37:06 Kamuela: well another way I'm contributing, I suppose, is moving resources to their highest valued use

21:37:14 mircea_popescu: how would you know ?

21:37:33 Kamuela: and mine may not be foregoing seeking a project's funding by getting into a pseudo-intellectual marxist debate

21:37:42 mircea_popescu: myeah. point in case i guess.

21:38:24 mircea_popescu: Current

21:38:25 mircea_popescu: Chief Executive Officer at Coin SEO

21:38:25 mircea_popescu: Past

21:38:25 mircea_popescu: Chief Idealist at KamuelaFranco.com

21:38:25 mircea_popescu: Administrative Clerk at US Census Bureau

21:38:28 mircea_popescu: o you have GOT to be kidding me.

21:38:30 Kamuela: look, doing for the sake of doing. just expressing. building. being steve wozniak. it's beautiful and i completely agree with you

21:38:42 mircea_popescu: nah, this convo is over, srsly.

21:38:50 jurov: what's pseudointellectual in asking you to show the world the MVP before asking anyone anything?

21:38:52 Kamuela: you accuse me of strawman, and what did you just do?

21:39:10 Kamuela: bring up a character assessment based on your perception

21:39:19 Kamuela: at least hold yourself to the same standard

21:39:48 mircea_popescu: mkay.

21:39:58 mircea_popescu: Past : simpleminded psychotic. Currently, cult leader.

21:40:49 Kamuela: i apologize for not knowing all the terms, but you are committing the fallacy known as "name-calling"

21:40:55 Kamuela: may be ad hominem, not sure

21:41:16 Kamuela: though i suppose no one agreed this was a debate. you're just talking

21:41:36 Kamuela: contributing, i suppose. although not by your own measure. but by mine for sure

21:41:57 jborkl: mircea- some interesting stats top 10 visits us,ca,hk,nl,au,by,gb,fr,de,ru,cn

21:42:02 Kamuela: you're making me realize, for example, that the road to finish this is an uphill one

21:42:02 BingoBoingo: <Kamuela> may be ad hominem, not sure << Every label sounds like an ad hominem unless you have read and digested the historical context.

21:42:18 jborkl: all the ones from france are probably pankaake

21:42:44 X-Rob: mircea_popescu: I do TRY to keep it online. I just feel bad for that outage. The good news is that in that outage I rebuilt both power distribution boards, so hopefully it shouldn't be needed again.

21:42:44 penguirker: New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/bitcoin-pool-discus-fish-swims-past-ghash-io-1/

21:43:33 jborkl: Windows 73.3 % Linux 14.7 % Macintosh 9.5 %

21:44:15 Kamuela: but it's fine because value is subjective and i know that whatever i accomplish or don't accomplish won't need to be arbitrarily defined by you, mircea_popescu

21:44:50 jborkl: Google Chrome 53.7 % Firefox 35.8 % MS Internet Explorer 5.6 %

21:45:03 jborkl: no one uses the IE

21:45:18 jborkl: really, it is so great

21:46:28 jborkl: and I get more traffic from Yandex than Bing

21:49:07 jborkl: oh and the Orangecat post did very poor, so maybe I needed a picture of a funny cat

21:49:26 BingoBoingo: jborkl: Or a more unique cat

21:49:40 danielpbarron: ;;echo Kamuela, you need to be defined in the WoT in order to accomplish something [eregister]

21:49:41 gribble: Kamuela, you need to be defined in the WoT in order to accomplish something (eregister <nick> <keyid>) -- Register your GPG identity, associating GPG key <keyid> with <nick>. <keyid> is a 16 digit key id, with or without the '0x' prefix. We look on servers listed in 'plugins.GPG.keyservers' config. You will be given a link to a page which contains a one time password encrypted with (1 more message)

21:49:42 jborkl: yes, I got something wrong there

21:53:37 mircea_popescu: Kamuela wouldja simmer down.

21:54:39 pete_dushenski: "Korean bitcoin exchange Korbit has raised $3 million in Series A funding led by SoftBank Ventures Korea and Pantera Capital, with participation from BAM Ventures, and returning investors Bitcoin Opportunity Corp., Tim Draper, Pietro Dova, and Strong Ventures."

21:55:00 mircea_popescu: they're fucking quotes. the point here being that i comfortably define myself in the terms of the would-be insults various folk tried to tack on over the years. the years of me being and their coming and going. whereas you're stuck aspirationally trying to add labels to yourself. it's a fundamental difference at work.

21:55:18 mircea_popescu: jborkl i think everyone gets more traffic from yandex than bing.

21:55:26 Kamuela: well, I mean you attacked my philosophies, ideas, accomplishments, and character in about 20 nonstop minutes, man. i'm sorry i didn't pass another test of yours by remaining fully collected...

21:55:39 mircea_popescu: you're doing ok.

21:55:50 assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1D0V293.txt )

21:55:50 kakobrekla: !b 2

21:56:46 penguirker: New blog post: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/08/25/a-law-enforcement-encounter-if-you-ran-a-bitcoin-related-service-before-the-thing-hit-100-you-prolly-ought-to-be-somewhat-concerned-andor-prepared/

21:56:46 mircea_popescu: !s hey guise

21:56:46 assbot: 26 results for 'hey guise' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=hey+guise

21:58:07 mircea_popescu: odd, not i nthe logs even ?!

22:01:26 BingoBoingo: submission to /. of the LEX encounter blog post http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op=view&type=submission&id=3795013

22:01:28 assbot: Bitcoin User tells of Interview by FBI and Treasury Department - Slashdot

22:01:51 TheNewDeal: niiice

22:02:50 BingoBoingo: Well, it's submitted, have to hope it gets votes

22:03:22 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-09-2013#336698

22:03:23 assbot: Logged on 30-09-2013 19:34:06; zhenhua_wang: mircea_popescu: you are simple minded. sorry but your are a psychopathic

22:03:26 mircea_popescu: aha so it was labcoin

22:03:35 mircea_popescu: couldn't remember for the life of me wtf it was.

22:03:39 jborkl: dont worry Coindesk will puke up your post in about 5 minutes

22:04:12 mircea_popescu: jborkl no, that's someone else phishing as them.

22:05:17 assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2VEJ64B.txt )

22:05:17 BingoBoingo: !b 2

22:05:18 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo was btcpak the guy what's his name shrem was helping circumvent his aml or different guy ?

22:05:38 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Totally different guy. As far as I can tell he only ever bought Bitcoins

22:06:02 mircea_popescu: oh, dbordello's thing ?

22:06:09 BingoBoingo: Yeah, that one

22:06:09 mircea_popescu: ;;seen dbordello

22:06:09 gribble: dbordello was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 41 weeks, 6 days, 19 hours, 47 minutes, and 58 seconds ago: <DBordello> I agree

22:06:13 TheNewDeal: btcpak guy only purchased bitcoins huh?

22:08:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 89 @ 0.00916324 = 0.8155 BTC [-] {5}

22:09:29 jborkl: mircea_popescu> jborkl no, that's someone else phishing as them. ? who is that? I had someone email me from a service content runner, but I can write my own shitty stories full of typos

22:09:38 mircea_popescu: jborkl it's a joke.

22:09:45 jborkl: oh ok

22:09:46 mircea_popescu: earlier they sent an email spam blast which "wasn't them"

22:10:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 95 @ 0.01063998 = 1.0108 BTC [+] {6}

22:11:29 BingoBoingo: I guess this is a good time to remind people Van ads is a thing http://van-ads.com/venues if anyone want to bet on the story getting traction

22:11:30 assbot: Vulpes Ad Network

22:12:27 mircea_popescu: o look at this, so there's apparently a tv miniseries called roots built around delivering hot black male nudes in bondage ot the average housewife.

22:12:30 jborkl: 317452 26.73248134 <- big fee

22:12:30 mircea_popescu: smart.

22:12:38 TheNewDeal: hows van ads work?

22:15:47 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo "That think I've avoided and wrote about on this blog before. " << you hate the gspot or something ?

22:18:16 mircea_popescu: !up deadweasel

22:19:43 mircea_popescu: abathingape: kekeke << lulz. well, at least fatso had vision neh

22:20:54 mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal: is moiety ded? << i think irl ate her.

22:21:12 TheNewDeal: :(

22:22:19 mircea_popescu: Kamuela if you care, this is intensely dissonant : "Who Is Kamuela Franco? Kamuela Franco is perhaps the most intensely freedom-loving individual you will ever meet. If you've found Steve's work helpful, please donate to show your support."

22:22:58 mircea_popescu: a no longer online is it. nm.

22:22:59 TheNewDeal: nubbins` put me down for two

22:25:05 mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal is this how you buy assassinations with bitcoin now ?

22:25:33 TheNewDeal: no mp, that's always how I've purchased them

22:25:41 mircea_popescu: lol

22:26:04 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: still ? << you don't know how this works i take it. they'll be pulling on that thread in 2030. why drop it ?

22:26:17 kakobrekla: clearly i dont.

22:26:24 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Nice catch

22:26:34 kakobrekla: he is still online btw

22:26:39 kakobrekla: !up Kamuela

22:26:46 mircea_popescu: i just sent a ping and * dbordello :No such nick/channel

22:26:49 kakobrekla: a

22:26:53 kakobrekla: i thought . nvm

22:27:00 mircea_popescu: which i a pity rly, guy was kinda smart/sane.

22:27:15 kakobrekla: obv not?

22:27:20 mircea_popescu: a distinction enjoyed by shockingly few of the early birds.

22:27:43 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla i never got a druggie vibe off him. i mean who knows, but to me it seems a forced association.

22:28:09 kakobrekla: i wasnt implying druggie but using sr for whatever

22:28:14 mircea_popescu: maybe.

22:28:35 mircea_popescu: then again, the sec to this day pretends it got a settlement for s.dice, so...

22:28:44 kakobrekla: heh

22:28:44 TheNewDeal: lol

22:29:11 mircea_popescu: average streetwalker more respectable than any govt agent you pick.

22:29:25 Kamuela: mircea_popescu: ?

22:30:01 mircea_popescu: need

22:30:05 mircea_popescu: some words with that.

22:30:53 BingoBoingo: The agents got kind fo rude with their insisting I know something, but it wasn't quite Hannibal Lecter "free range rude" rude

22:31:55 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: Seriously the kept saying suggesting everything in the Bitcoin was shady Tor related stuff. << well what happens there is that they had a lot of early success just exploiting the geek idiocy. let the kids talk about how cool and anon and w/e it is.

22:32:07 Kamuela: mircea_popescu: you've only pinged me once in the last few moments of time, so i'm asking you both about what you meant by dissonant and what was wrong with that statement

22:32:09 mircea_popescu: sort-of like mentioning partying to a 15yo and letting them spill.

22:32:21 mircea_popescu: Kamuela a. well, who's steve.

22:32:26 Kamuela: mircea_popescu: also honestly i don't remember what that was in reference to, exactly lmao

22:32:53 Kamuela: oh, i know what you're talking about

22:33:03 mircea_popescu: Duffer1: i bought a handmade spalted mable/bubinga keepsake box for bitcoin on saturday << what the holy shit.

22:33:04 Kamuela: you're talking about my web site, and some copy

22:33:05 mircea_popescu: ;;ud bubinga

22:33:06 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Bubinga | 1. Bubinga. 1. A type of hard wood 2. A type of hard erection. "Man, I got the worst bubinga right now, you have no idea". by PenchantMarksman March 08, 2013.

22:33:44 mircea_popescu: Salted Marble Bubblegum should totally be a band.

22:34:14 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: The seemed so fucking incredulous that I with my unkempt hair and beard, could have somehow not used the silk road << it's not racial profiling if you're white :D

22:34:47 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Amazing isn't it.

22:34:57 mircea_popescu: great log lol.

22:35:05 mircea_popescu: anyway, you

22:35:27 mircea_popescu: 're slowly but surely becoming a fucking liability for your neighbourhood. every other week a new black jeep over there.

22:36:42 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: move more slowly << he's new.

22:38:11 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo if it's any consolation : while you were out on the lawn in the sun, i was indoors taking refuge from the chilly winter wind here.

22:38:24 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> 're slowly but surely becoming a fucking liability for your neighbourhood. every other week a new black jeep over there. << Reason to host conversation in the front yard, so the neighbors can gossip

22:38:33 mircea_popescu: went into one of the largest whorehouses. cordoba and 9 de julio. masquerades as a coffee place.

22:38:49 mircea_popescu: had a strawberry sundae.

22:39:23 BingoBoingo: Nice

22:39:40 TheNewDeal: did you know what it was, or were you just looking for ice cream?

22:41:00 BingoBoingo: !up ThickAsThieves

22:41:37 ThickAsThieves: thx

22:45:49 mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal i knew what it was, been there before.

22:46:21 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: Also Hollywood lied. The FBI agent was wearing a black business suit, but instead a white polo and khakis. << crisis, ya kno ?

22:46:35 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I guess

22:46:42 ThickAsThieves: IRS on the other hand is hiring some babes

22:47:19 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves you know the tax office workers here are fucking knockouts too ?

22:47:41 TheNewDeal: if the IRS sends a sexy woman to my door, I'm going to tell her I'm a part of the FBI - female body inspectors

22:47:42 mircea_popescu: what is it about hot women gravitating towards where people get assraped.

22:48:53 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller: i shouldn't have said specifically Si, but more like the gold and silver also stored in the IC's << gold melting point isn't tinny either.

22:48:59 mircea_popescu: CHECK OUT MY PUN EVERYONE!

22:50:43 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: watch this fuck up my short... << watch it making exactly no difference.

22:51:00 mircea_popescu: unless you're short on reddit words or something. and even then...

22:51:43 mircea_popescu: punkman: just take everythign they do, and do it the opposite way << word. shit's been run by george, of "every call i ever made was wrong" fame.

22:52:07 TheNewDeal: hears, "Tinny!" , *shrieks* and runs away

22:52:29 mircea_popescu: TomServo: Pff. Schneier says "Matthew Green << are you surprised ? if not, why not :D

22:53:04 mircea_popescu: it must suck to be one of these scum. if being one of the soviet scum is anything to go by... it must suck quite a lot.

22:54:38 punkman: http://techcrunch.com/2014/08/23/san-francisco-open-exchange-aims-to-be-the-e-trade-of-bitcoin/

22:54:39 assbot: San Francisco Open Exchange Aims To Be The E-Trade Of Bitcoin | TechCrunch

22:55:22 mircea_popescu: http://www.bankruptcylawnetwork.com/ny-bankruptcy-court-uses-the-eddie-murphy-method-of-allocating-tax-returns/

22:55:22 assbot: NY Bankruptcy Court Uses The Eddie Murphy Method Of Allocating Tax Returns

22:55:32 mircea_popescu: Duffer_ it's eddie murphy not eddy murphie :D

22:58:15 mircea_popescu: Kamuela: because my connections at differential and the team there represent about 50 years of combined success in MVP's << in this vein, the whores i sat down with for my sundae represent about fifty eight miles of combined cock.

22:58:38 mircea_popescu: and that's not counting the back and forth, nor the oral.

22:59:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4800 @ 0.00064379 = 3.0902 BTC [-]

23:03:07 TheNewDeal: !up RagnarsBitch

23:04:39 ThickAsThieves: <+mircea_popescu> watch it making exactly no difference. /// indeed!

23:05:02 ben_vulpes: <TheNewDeal> hows van ads work? << you sign up and pay bitcoin to run ads on a select group of venues.

23:06:03 mircea_popescu: factoid of the day : Singer Mel Torm? began his professional career singing with the Chico Marx Orchestra.

23:06:36 artifexd: !s X-Rob

23:06:36 assbot: 219 results for 'X-Rob' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=X-Rob

23:07:03 ben_vulpes: TheNewDeal: are you looking to buy some exposure to a thing?

23:07:05 *: X-Rob looks worried

23:07:10 ben_vulpes: for* a thing?

23:09:27 TheNewDeal: no I'm selling

23:09:43 TheNewDeal: unless of course you have a good deal

23:10:40 ben_vulpes: what are you selling now?

23:11:01 TheNewDeal: i'm not selling anything atm :D

23:11:27 TheNewDeal: might do it in 30 days or so

23:11:37 TheNewDeal: !up ThickAsThieves

23:11:45 TheNewDeal: ;;ident thinkasthieves

23:11:45 gribble: Error: I am not seeing this user on IRC. If you want information about a registered gpg user, try the 'gpg info' command instead.

23:11:50 TheNewDeal: ;;ident thickasthieves

23:11:50 gribble: Nick 'thickasthieves', with hostmask 'ThickAsThieves!~ThickAsTh@unaffiliated/thickasthieves', is not identified.

23:12:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5650 @ 0.00064379 = 3.6374 BTC [-]

23:13:13 mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal i'd be much surprised if you manage to get something less than a month old approved for van.

23:13:39 ThickAsThieves: just being lazy...

23:13:50 ThickAsThieves: distracted

23:15:08 mircea_popescu: And then there's the story that's fraught with disaster -- of balls that got caught, when a chap took a crap, in the woods. And that trap underneath... Oh, I can't bear the thought!

23:15:09 TheNewDeal: are you talking about vanity ads? I was just wondering what it was

23:15:21 mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal it's van ads.

23:16:11 TheNewDeal: ;;trust nubbins`

23:16:11 gribble: Error: "trust" is not a valid command.

23:16:19 TheNewDeal: ;;gettrust nubbins`

23:16:19 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask nubbins`!~leel@stjhnf0157w-142163082159.dhcp-dynamic.FibreOP.nl.bellaliant.net. Trust relationship from user TheNewDeal to user nubbins`: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 4 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=TheNewDeal&dest=nubbins%60 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=nubbins%60 | Rated since: Wed Oct 16 19:58:53 2013

23:17:48 nubbins`: ;;ident

23:17:48 gribble: Nick 'nubbins`', with hostmask 'nubbins`!~leel@stjhnf0157w-142163082159.dhcp-dynamic.FibreOP.nl.bellaliant.net', is identified as user 'nubbins`', with GPG key id CF2950F23C844002, key fingerprint 5015BD3D0AE659C8B8632F31CF2950F23C844002, and bitcoin address None

23:20:54 TheNewDeal: ;;calc 90/[ticker --last]

23:20:56 gribble: 0.179594117295

23:21:49 ben_vulpes: TheNewDeal: http://www.van-ads.com

23:22:02 TheNewDeal: what's the point?

23:22:13 TheNewDeal: oh

23:22:18 ben_vulpes: ;;gettrust jborkl

23:22:19 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user ben_vulpes to user jborkl: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=ben_vulpes&dest=jborkl | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=jborkl | Rated since: never

23:22:59 ben_vulpes: ;;ident jborkl

23:22:59 gribble: Error: I am not seeing this user on IRC. If you want information about a registered gpg user, try the 'gpg info' command instead.

23:23:19 ben_vulpes: not in wot?!!?

23:23:44 BingoBoingo: ;;gettrust hollywood

23:23:44 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user BingoBoingo to user hollywood: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=BingoBoingo&dest=hollywood | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=hollywood | Rated since: never

23:24:25 ben_vulpes: i don't even wot

23:24:51 BingoBoingo: You, know the nice thing about Today's adventure is that at least now I can know that the FBI has a file on me somewhere. just as it has one on Martin Luther King Jr.

23:25:42 TheNewDeal: and you have some good internet exposure before you're body is found floating in the river

23:25:56 TheNewDeal: jp, i dont think the fbi is gonna ax ya

23:27:24 BingoBoingo: Nah, that's what.. What's that Will Smith agency called again...

23:28:03 *: BingoBoingo wonders if alf has similar close enounters of the gasenwagen kind?

23:29:02 ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: MIB

23:29:22 BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: No, the one from Wild Wild West

23:29:44 BingoBoingo: Or was it Soul Plane?

23:29:51 ben_vulpes: hue

23:32:18 BingoBoingo: It's been a while does it look like this submit to /. thing is working well? http://slashdot.org/recent

23:32:20 assbot: Slashdot: News for nerds, stuff that matters

23:32:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10689 @ 0.00064672 = 6.9128 BTC [+] {2}

23:33:15 asciilifeform: http://imgur.com/fw0f9PI

23:33:16 assbot: City bus, in Wash. D.C. area. - Imgur

23:33:23 asciilifeform: ^ seen around half an hour ago.

23:33:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12500 @ 0.00064978 = 8.1223 BTC [+]

23:33:55 ben_vulpes: loooovely!

23:34:17 ben_vulpes: "inform on your fellow subjects! it's good for you, and might be for them!"

23:34:38 asciilifeform: ads recruiting stoolies aren't new here. they have then regularly for, e.g. insurance fraud

23:34:43 asciilifeform: but the small arms theme is new.

23:35:26 penguirker: New blog post: http://bitcoinassetsreception.wordpress.com/2014/08/26/summary-26-july-25-august/

23:35:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1000 @ 0.00063368 = 0.6337 BTC [-] {10}

23:37:23 ben_vulpes: looks like moiety's alive after all...

23:37:36 mircea_popescu: !up Kamuela

23:37:39 asciilifeform: i did somehow think that she starved...

23:38:13 TheNewDeal: ;;ident moriarty

23:38:14 gribble: Nick 'moriarty', with hostmask 'moriarty!~test@unaffiliated/moriarty', is not identified.

23:38:45 *: asciilifeform catches up on logs

23:38:53 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo visited by the wagen ?

23:38:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ROCK] 5000 @ 0.00056046 = 2.8023 BTC [-] {7}

23:39:05 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform seems a reasonable approach, all would be gangstas gotta have the gunz.

23:39:06 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Indeed, multi agency wagen

23:39:34 mircea_popescu: definitely more likely to succeed than "have you seen this 6yo ? $1k reward"

23:40:29 TheNewDeal: ;;rate nubbins` invested in some bitcoin art, waiting for roi :)

23:40:29 gribble: Error: 'invested' is not a valid integer.

23:40:36 TheNewDeal: ;;rate nubbins` 1 invested in some bitcoin art, waiting for roi :)

23:40:37 *: asciilifeform saw, on at least one occasion, stereotypically shifty fellow on a train with stereotypical bulge in his pocket - standing right next to polizei, who was entirely disinterested...

23:40:37 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user nubbins` has been recorded.

23:40:38 BingoBoingo: ;;tslb

23:40:40 gribble: Time since last block: 21 minutes and 3 seconds

23:41:03 TheNewDeal: definitely had a boner ascii

23:41:20 asciilifeform: big fat 'colt 1911' shaped boner.

23:41:22 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not much polizei could have done.

23:41:39 nubbins`: ;;view 21351

23:41:41 gribble: #21351 Mon Aug 25 19:39:07 2014 nubbins` SELL 1.0 'What is Bitcoin?' silkscreened art print @ 35 USD (18x24", 5-color silkscreen on white Cougar acid-free paper, limited edition of 50, pre-order price only, shipping week of August 31, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=756955.0)

23:41:44 nubbins`: ^ only 43 remain!

23:42:17 asciilifeform: Cougar acid-free paper << what other rare animals can be turned into paper ?

23:42:39 mircea_popescu: Alien Paper.

23:43:15 nubbins`: asciilifeform woodchucks ;D

23:43:20 nubbins`: woodpeckers

23:43:27 nubbins`: paper cranes? ;/

23:43:27 asciilifeform: those are everywhere.

23:44:38 mircea_popescu: The Peckish Woodpecker. Salon & Pimparium.

23:45:11 *: BingoBoingo spots an addition http://van-ads.com/venues

23:45:12 assbot: Vulpes Ad Network

23:45:36 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: why'd they let you loose? or should we assume that you're posting from a stake ?

23:46:35 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Seems visit was of an inquisitory nature.

23:46:58 BingoBoingo: Maybe they wanted to see how I'd react if still "wild"

23:47:13 BingoBoingo: Also there's that pending county misdemeanor court date later this week

23:48:00 Kamuela: brb

23:48:21 BingoBoingo: Maybe next time I go to stake?

23:49:00 mircea_popescu: why are you still in the us anyway ? not like you got a job or anything ?

23:49:07 mircea_popescu: !up tyl

23:49:08 mircea_popescu: !up tylander

23:49:17 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if i recall, they took his passport last year

23:49:42 mircea_popescu: o, actually ?

23:49:46 TheNewDeal: for what?

23:49:54 BingoBoingo: No, I've never had one

23:49:57 mircea_popescu: lol

23:50:14 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i wasn't aware they actually do the whole nkvd thing. afaik it was just personal cognizance stuff.

23:50:17 *: asciilifeform scratched head, definitely remembers somethign like this

23:50:26 *: BingoBoingo isn't quite ready for long walk to Mexico, but now see reasons to... get ready

23:50:38 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It is jsut dificult to get one

23:50:51 BingoBoingo: As am still on bond

23:50:51 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo well soon enough it'll be impossible, and nothing to do with bitcoin.

23:51:03 mircea_popescu: just the way dead cow cults work.

23:51:23 asciilifeform: not that, come that hour, the folks with passports will fare any better

23:52:13 *: asciilifeform discovered, after some digging, that he could get russian passport - but would have to spend 1+ year there

23:53:12 TheNewDeal: does evorhees ever come online? was wondering how panama worked out for him

23:53:34 *: asciilifeform is greatly puzzled re: how anyone might imagine BingoBoingo had anything to do with SR

23:54:29 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Maybe they hadn't connect my slave name to my real name yet and read the blog where such connections would not make sense.

23:54:52 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: wasn't aware they actually do the whole nkvd thing << now that i think about it, they do one better. you can keep your passport - but when they scan it at the airport, if the bell rings you get a special treat.

23:55:09 nubbins`: ah, airports

23:55:30 nubbins`: one of the few places in the world where i feel incredibly uneasy, no matter what

23:55:31 artifexd: nubbins`: Do you still have my mailing address?

23:55:37 nubbins`: artifexd i don't believe so

23:55:53 nubbins`: all i remember is that i addressed your package to Mr. Art I. Fexd ;D

23:56:23 artifexd: Give me a btc amount for the poster good for the next hour or so

23:56:52 BingoBoingo: I don't think I'll escape by air, I dun want to get MH-17'd like all of those doctors fighting CIA-AIDs did

23:57:14 nubbins`: artifexd: ,,(calc 55/[ticker --last])

23:57:18 nubbins`: ah fuck, what?

23:57:25 nubbins`: ;;calc 55/[ticker --last]

23:57:26 gribble: 0.109155139222

23:57:28 nubbins`: ^

23:57:49 artifexd: $55? What happened to $35?

23:57:50 TheNewDeal: nubbins` are these going to be limited edition?

23:57:54 TheNewDeal: shipping

23:58:10 nubbins`: shipping :)

23:58:21 nubbins`: i flat-pack them, rolling destroys prints

23:58:22 mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal not lately

23:58:25 mircea_popescu: ;;seen evoorhees

23:58:25 gribble: evoorhees was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 5 weeks, 4 days, 0 hours, and 32 seconds ago: <evoorhees> I need to go for now, on later

23:58:35 nubbins`: TheNewDeal only 50 are being sold to the general public

23:58:49 TheNewDeal: beautiful

23:59:10 nubbins`: depending on sales we may do a second run, but they'll be visibly different (new color scheme) so there's no confusion

23:59:19 TheNewDeal: love it

23:59:42 artifexd: http://btc.blockr.io/tx/info/3fc360144b7e0ded8ef45a4e8715a1fe1c20b571cb3e305c7952e35bfa88453c

23:59:52 artifexd: Lemme know when you are ready for the physical address