Transcript for 25-08-2014, 1503 lines:
00:01:40 asciilifeform: lamers.
00:02:36 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform exactly. the fiat economy is predicated on the theory that value may be constructed out of a trillion promises that each on and of itself is worthless
00:03:08 mircea_popescu: and the fiat state is predicated on the theory that productive work may be extracted out of assemblages of a trillion shitheads that by and of themselves are wholly incapable.
00:03:32 mircea_popescu: even at the risk of driving down legitimate promises and capable people, the theory goes, this is still a worthwhile endeavour.
00:03:36 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ae/Ilia_Efimovich_Repin_(1844-1930)_-_Volga_Boatmen_(1870-1873).jpg
00:04:08 mircea_popescu: o look at that! buskers!
00:04:43 asciilifeform: where i live, a 'busker' is a fellow playing, e.g., accordion on a steet, begging for pennies
00:04:53 mircea_popescu: same dress n'est pass ? same look ?
00:04:56 mircea_popescu: same cool.
00:04:57 asciilifeform: approximately.
00:05:30 asciilifeform: the folks pictured are бурлаки. (yes, we had a separate name for this occupation.)
00:05:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7152 @ 0.00063257 = 4.5241 BTC [+]
00:06:29 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: at any rate, what kind of machine is necessary, for what kind of load? just #b-a ?
00:07:21 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's not a matter of the machines per se tho.
00:07:28 mircea_popescu: i mean not that more will hurt, when-and-if.
00:07:32 cazalla: mircea_popescu, i have no report for today, been in bed best part of a week
00:07:41 mircea_popescu: cazalla new gf ?
00:08:13 cazalla: hardly, depressed more like it
00:08:33 asciilifeform: it's not a matter of the machines per se << of what, then ?
00:09:20 mircea_popescu: the guy to run the software package.
00:09:28 mircea_popescu: cazalla care to share with the group ?
00:13:04 cazalla: mircea_popescu, this pretty much http://pastebin.com/9sftKGAJ doctors say tldr
00:13:04 assbot: Head Area Tingling - on top of head, face, back of head, neck, shoulders, var - Pastebin.com
00:14:06 mircea_popescu: pinched nerve.
00:14:38 mircea_popescu: started with the tri, got the whole stack by now.
00:15:32 cazalla: i've had mri of neck, brain, cardiac ct, halter monitor, xrays, blood work, etc etc
00:15:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 905 @ 0.00063595 = 0.5755 BTC [+]
00:16:09 mircea_popescu: dja work out ?
00:16:15 cazalla: i use to
00:17:32 cazalla: so that's why i sometimes stay in bed for a week or 2 and just sleep the depression off
00:17:43 mircea_popescu: go work out. none of that high performance gym shit tho, this isn't to perform, this is to relax. ride a horse. swim. something sane.
00:18:01 mircea_popescu: fuck, for that matter, quite legitimate.
00:18:40 *: asciilifeform while reading about modern irc daemonology, learned that founder of freenode died of having-problems in '06.
00:19:27 cazalla: mircea_popescu, spring is due here so i'm going to do laps once it warms up a little
00:19:49 asciilifeform: (and he was publicly smeared in various ways, e.g. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/01/29/buy_a_piece_of_net)
00:19:49 assbot: 404: Page not found | The Register
00:19:50 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform pretty much yes.
00:20:08 mircea_popescu: cazalla you're not supposed to sit, but that's a splendid idea : pole dancing.
00:21:18 assbot: For States, Small Is Beautiful | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski
00:21:27 pete_dushenski: off to a celebration dinner, just leaving this year.
00:21:29 pete_dushenski: night all!
00:21:36 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform to be perfectly fair, the guy wasn't keeping his finances in the best of orders (according to you know, the criteria required so you don't get called "a cult leader" by teh cult leadership). nevertheless, nothing nearly as bad as what the childfucker jimbo wales did in his day
00:21:44 pete_dushenski: s/year/here omfg
00:21:49 mircea_popescu: ironically, the very guy the entire clampdown on the internets exist to protect the internets for
00:22:02 mircea_popescu: gets to run a piece of shit "resource" that everyone pushes as if it were useful.
00:22:59 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-07-2014#749841
00:22:59 assbot: Logged on 09-07-2014 00:04:59; asciilifeform: pierce << ideal example of the animal described on one of mircea_popescu's essays - he could be packed into prison for life, any time, based on what's in his file. so he does as instructed.
00:23:34 mircea_popescu: obviously. but the convenience does not resolve the other angle. it's a ruinous association.
00:23:49 asciilifeform: example: pediwik page for nsa 'type a' - gone.
00:23:55 asciilifeform: perma-deleted.
00:24:02 mircea_popescu: "why do you hang out with these bums ?" "because they're the only people that call me a beauty queen", said the ambitious teenaged slut.
00:24:08 mircea_popescu: "well honey, that doesn't make them any less bums"
00:24:55 mircea_popescu: but yes, it's been for many decades now the established mo of the great "nation" of the united states : to grow an inch, cut an inch off the measuring tape.
00:25:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 19 @ 0.29447997 = 5.5951 BTC [+] {6}
00:25:26 cazalla: mircea_popescu, i'm still interested in forum posting, didn't want you to think i was blowing it off even though that's what i've done this week, i'll bbl, week of logs to catch up on
00:25:39 mircea_popescu: cazalla no biggy. this is the fungible sort of work, it'll wait.
00:27:11 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re: the use of pliable folks: consider, what was vyacheslav molotov's main job qualification ?
00:27:17 asciilifeform: (answer: his wife. in gulag.)
00:27:45 mircea_popescu: but he still sucked.
00:27:55 mircea_popescu: you know ? putting some idiot's wife in the gulag doesn't make him suddenly smart.
00:27:58 asciilifeform: sure.
00:28:09 asciilifeform: 'smart' wasn't the top objective, though.
00:28:30 asciilifeform: pederasty doesn't make herr wales smarter, either.
00:28:36 asciilifeform: or brock pierce
00:28:40 mircea_popescu: think of it : two major powers, with very close ideologies, the absolute leader of one in love with the absolute leader of the other, managed to go to war!
00:28:49 mircea_popescu: who's to blame ? inept ribentropp, inept molotov, chiefly.
00:29:08 mircea_popescu: if they worked together we'd be sitting here speaking german threatening doom to the third reich.
00:29:13 asciilifeform: lol
00:29:25 mircea_popescu: so, what's the gulag got stalin ? a pliable idiot.
00:29:32 mircea_popescu: what's that cost him ? the great patriotic war.
00:29:51 mircea_popescu: millions of country boys had to be assembled in the choir invisible to rectify the mistakes of two inept diplomats.
00:30:40 *: asciilifeform isn't suggesting that the pliable idiot stratagem is a brilliant one that everyone should imitate - just pointing out its age.
00:31:05 mircea_popescu: its age, indeed. two hundred years old and change.
00:31:26 mircea_popescu: i think balzac is the first to describe it. some small sleepy country town somewhere, with two printing licenses
00:31:41 mircea_popescu: the owner of one figuring it's better to keep the other in the hands of its current inept owner than let him lose it.
00:32:00 mircea_popescu: or, if you prefer, de retz has some mentions in his memoirs, to the same principle.
00:32:58 oglafbot: http://oglaf.com/assumptions/
00:33:06 mircea_popescu: when i see that name change i salivate.
00:33:15 BingoBoingo: lol
00:35:02 mircea_popescu: http://oglaf.com/buttocks/ << almond milk i'd go for.
00:35:03 assbot: Perfect buttocks now!
00:36:16 BingoBoingo: Almond milk is about the only way I find almonds palatable, the demon cyanide tasting seeds that they are.
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00:38:14 assbot: Non-Euclidean Geometry for Babies (Math for Babies): Fred Carlson: 9781480203242: Amazon.com: Books
00:38:33 *: asciilifeform misread as 'non-euclidean geometry for babes'
00:39:03 BingoBoingo: "Non-Euclidean Geometry for Babies is intended to introduce babies to the basics of Euclid's Geometry, and supposes that the so-called "Parallel Postulate" might not be true. "
00:39:15 assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/38587YY.txt )
00:39:15 BingoBoingo: !b 2
00:40:31 asciilifeform: http://oglaf.com/harrow << problems of rectothermodynamicists.
00:40:31 assbot: harrow
00:45:11 mircea_popescu: this isn't such a great thing for babies.
00:53:32 asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRM7OZktALE << column of captive urks led through donetsk. water truck washes road after them, just like they did in the '44 parade after captured germans.
00:53:33 assbot: - YouTube
00:54:25 mircea_popescu: ;;ud urk
00:54:25 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=urk | urk. to annoy or bother someone deeply. Gurl numba 1: grrrrrrr i don't like ha. Gurl numba 2: why not? she's nice.... Gurl numba 1: she just urks me..something ...
00:54:29 asciilifeform: ukrs.
00:54:29 mircea_popescu: heh.
00:54:35 mircea_popescu: o right
00:54:38 mircea_popescu: ;;ud ukrs
00:54:38 gribble: Google found nothing.
00:54:41 mircea_popescu: yay.
00:55:02 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why's the reporter so fucking excited lol
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00:56:44 asciilifeform: !s ancient ukrs
00:56:44 assbot: 0 results for 'ancient ukrs' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=ancient+ukrs
00:56:47 asciilifeform: damn.
00:59:45 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2014#801927
00:59:46 assbot: Logged on 20-08-2014 04:00:19; *: asciilifeform prefers viktor pelevin's уркаина - 'urkaine', which metamorphosizes over 1000 years (in one of his tales) to 'urkland' and then 'orcland.'
01:07:02 mircea_popescu: you know words that don't even exist!
01:07:13 mircea_popescu: !up guest3455
01:09:04 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRM7OZktALE << column of captive urks led through donetsk. water truck washes road after them, just like they did in the '44 parade after captured germans. << I like the flack vest clearly labeled "Press"
01:09:04 assbot: - YouTube
01:10:32 BingoBoingo: !up non2
01:10:44 BingoBoingo: !up non2_
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01:26:04 asciilifeform: http://xs-sniper.com/blackhat2014/BH2014-Billy-Rios.pdf
01:35:31 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: actually the ukrs started really calling themselves that in the '90s, when they wrote the hilarious schoolbooks about 'ancient ukrs, they fought rome!'
01:35:59 mircea_popescu: yeah i know. we had a bunch of crypto natl-socialist idiots in romania too.
01:36:00 asciilifeform: now it's SOP among the resistance.
01:36:05 asciilifeform: aha.
01:36:10 mircea_popescu: i think even mentioned.
01:36:12 asciilifeform: we come from the ducks, who come from the trucks.
01:36:14 asciilifeform: yes.
01:36:17 mircea_popescu: they taught the greeks magic and romans to write don;'t you know./
01:41:46 asciilifeform: http://imgur.com/V8M9nsA
01:41:46 assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
01:41:52 asciilifeform: (from linked document)
01:41:56 asciilifeform: what's missing? plenty
01:42:37 asciilifeform: (what instrument? ion mobility spectrometer, clearly.)
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01:47:58 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why the fuck windows.
01:48:11 asciilifeform: because!
01:59:42 BingoBoingo: !up josevelez
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02:14:19 penguirker: New blog post: http://fraudsters.com/2014/weak-sauce/
02:23:44 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: who's the fellow screaming at the crowd ?
02:24:14 mircea_popescu: taleb
02:24:19 asciilifeform: aha
02:24:23 *: asciilifeform guessed correctly
02:25:32 *: asciilifeform would love to buy a (yes) bowdlerized compendium of taleb, with all the annoying 'i'm the strongest man alive, grasp my throbbing cock!' crapola snipped out.
02:25:59 mircea_popescu: lol it bothers you ?
02:26:14 asciilifeform: it pattern-matches 'derp' and throws my concentration
02:26:34 mircea_popescu: kinda makes me chuckle privately.
02:26:43 mircea_popescu: guy's what, 60 by now ?
02:26:55 mircea_popescu: what's he going to do if say a bn chicks actually decide to go for it ?
02:27:07 asciilifeform: if i saw a mosquito for the first and only time, i'd probably laugh at it too
02:27:09 mircea_popescu: not like he has an elaborate sorting system in place.
02:27:19 mircea_popescu: he's setting himself up for catastrophic rewind.
02:29:48 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lol, you read Kvant ?!?!
02:29:59 mircea_popescu: i had THE COLLECTION.
02:30:04 mircea_popescu: who do you think you're talking to here.
02:30:09 asciilifeform: ahaha
02:30:13 *: asciilifeform has the collection
02:30:20 mircea_popescu: !ip Kieronbm
02:30:31 mircea_popescu: admittedly i couldn't really do the exercises
02:30:37 mircea_popescu: but i enjoyed looking at the pictures.
02:31:50 *: asciilifeform has a blast with bedtime reading of 'квант,' 'химия и жизнь,' 'наука и жизнь', etc. for ages now. who said '4k' tablets had no use.
02:33:35 asciilifeform: phun phact. 'прикладная химия' 1941 (forget which month) was devoted to recipes for... meth.
02:33:35 mircea_popescu: "theoretical physicists calculate the imaginary part of schroedinger function collapses for various items in their room and then convert it all to matrix form to go to sleep"
02:34:08 asciilifeform: (leningrad, during blockade, reportedly churned out 10kg/day.)
02:34:28 mircea_popescu: most serious bunkers include some.
02:34:38 asciilifeform: even today.
02:34:51 mircea_popescu: lol even today., well yes even today, what's changed ?
02:35:30 asciilifeform: 'morals' lol
02:36:28 mircea_popescu: no they haven't lol.
02:37:06 BingoBoingo: Well now there's options like methylphenidate, modafinil, and all sorts of other imposters
02:37:39 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: military men, afaik, are noted for a love of 'classic' tech
02:38:44 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if the soldier can only carry one pill, what modern replacement psychostimulator would suffice ?
02:40:22 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The germans had a pill...
02:40:38 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 'pervitin' ? that was ordinary 'meth'
02:40:40 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/01/29/buy_a_piece_of_net << this is a great read btw, because look! look how desolate the field was, just ten short years ago,
02:40:40 assbot: Buy a piece of Net nostalgia for $5,000 The Register
02:40:43 mircea_popescu: back when we didn't have money.
02:40:55 mircea_popescu: and i don't mean some money, or even a lot of money.
02:40:58 mircea_popescu: i mean THE money.
02:41:24 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'm thinking of the one that rolled the meth together with an opiate, and maybe a few other things
02:41:50 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: why would you include an opiate ?
02:42:10 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform because pure amphetamine is undiscriminatory.
02:42:13 mircea_popescu: ever had an itch /
02:42:25 BingoBoingo: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D-IX
02:42:25 assbot: D-IX - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
02:42:46 asciilifeform: undiscriminatory ?
02:43:00 BingoBoingo: The itching, and fatigue... injury..
02:43:25 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> undiscriminatory ? << Hits receptors without much regard for location in the body
02:43:41 asciilifeform: how does an opiate help here?
02:44:55 mircea_popescu: if well chosen the opiate is more selective.
02:45:05 mircea_popescu: at least that's the theory.
02:45:18 BingoBoingo: Including just enough for some analgesia masks side effects of the amphetamine activating all kinds of catecholamine receptors it wasn't intended to
02:45:29 BingoBoingo: Supposedly
02:45:43 BingoBoingo: The recreational term I think is "speedballing"
02:48:36 asciilifeform: 'At first the members of the punishment battalion whistled and sang songs. [But] most of them had collapsed after the first 24 hours.'
02:52:50 mircea_popescu: by the way : http://or.wikipedia.org/wiki/ଓଡ଼ିଆ
02:52:51 assbot: -
02:58:16 decimation: I think methamphetamines are still prescribed for military pilots who need to 'remain alert' for days at a time
02:59:49 decimation: asciilifeform: "it pattern-matches 'derp' and throws my concentration" << yeah I have the same experience.
03:00:05 mircea_popescu: decimation they're self prescribed by doctors working the us meatgrinder for sure.
03:00:22 mircea_popescu: <decimation> asciilifeform: "it pattern-matches 'derp' and throws my concentration" << yeah I have the same experience. << does this happen with my stuff too ?
03:01:32 ThickAsThieves: cazalla, is it fibromyalgia?
03:01:43 ThickAsThieves: my dad has it
03:01:45 ThickAsThieves: sounds like uit
03:02:22 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not so much
03:02:29 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves wasn't that for girls ?
03:02:49 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: your stuff typically includes sufficient meth to drown out the opium.
03:02:51 ThickAsThieves: it's for people who beat up their bodies and are susceptible to it, i'm guessing
03:03:20 ThickAsThieves: dad has owned a masonry company most of his life
03:03:26 mircea_popescu: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11974674
03:03:27 assbot: Gender differences in fibromyalgia... [J Gend Specif Med. 2002 Mar-Apr] - PubMed - NCBI
03:03:33 mircea_popescu: no look at that, i was actually right. 10% or so men.
03:03:55 mircea_popescu: looks like genetic on that basis. you gotta be really unlucky as a guy
03:03:57 ThickAsThieves: didnt know that
03:04:02 ThickAsThieves: i never met someone else with uit
03:04:15 ThickAsThieves: though i wouldbnt be surprised if it's in me too
03:04:20 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform cause i was thinking, i prolly do more of it than poor taleb.
03:04:40 mircea_popescu: who, notably, has a lot more grounds than me to be all "fu world y u don't respek!"
03:04:55 ThickAsThieves: i think i heard pot helps with fibro
03:05:04 ThickAsThieves: havent gotten pops to try yet
03:05:11 ThickAsThieves: he's still busy breaking his back
03:05:29 mircea_popescu: wasn't this the poster for medical pot ? it helps fibromyalgia ?
03:05:48 ThickAsThieves: dunno
03:05:52 asciilifeform: perhaps the next pill, 'D-X,' will be a meth and thc combo
03:06:01 ThickAsThieves: i was never a pot activist
03:06:07 ThickAsThieves: though i like it just fine
03:06:15 asciilifeform: are there meth activists ?
03:06:28 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes. they scrub things clean.
03:06:36 mircea_popescu: ;;google look at me, busy as a bee
03:06:36 gribble: Meth song - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtLHKtNOcS8; Meth Song - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxAYHOWxGi8; Official Meth Theme Song - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ev6hV5ULLcs
03:06:44 ThickAsThieves: meth had it's own acclaimed tv show, it's doing fine
03:06:49 decimation: mircea_popescu: you have a different writing style. you don't set off the 'derp' alarm, you set off the 'wait, wtf is he on about' alarm, which generally results in an interpretation excercise
03:06:55 ThickAsThieves: its
03:07:06 asciilifeform: surely someone is campaigning to have meth brought back to the masses.
03:07:14 mircea_popescu: decimation so taleb's mistake is that he's being a BANAL asshole ?
03:07:23 ThickAsThieves: there are the guys that think all drugs should be legal
03:07:35 mircea_popescu: tnk
03:07:43 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves there are guys that thing all ages should be legal.
03:07:46 mircea_popescu: no shortage of guys.
03:08:03 asciilifeform: busy as a bee << funny that they show an idiot sow scrubbing, and not, e.g, paul erdos crapping out theorems
03:08:41 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's valid. a) erdos doesn't get his guidance from youtube ; b) most people taking it will scrub.
03:09:36 decimation: mircea_popescu: yeah there's banality and there's also constant generalization. I realize he's trying to write generally, but it comes close to old-man ranting
03:09:45 mircea_popescu: it's part of that undiscrimination mentioned earlier. it seems to particularly empower any ocd streak you may have.
03:09:55 mircea_popescu: just like acid isn't a good adjuvant to latent paranoia.
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03:10:46 mircea_popescu: decimation people got hacked lately with this "only the general is important" rootkit. it meshes well with the divinsation of data-in-se
03:11:39 mircea_popescu: because somehow they've decided "data" is a substance, it's no longer fit for the thinking man to generate data, and so no more of things like the excellent field reports people like saussure and levi-strauss dedicated their lives to
03:11:49 mircea_popescu: so now all one can still do with his mind is "generalize"
03:11:56 mircea_popescu: on the basis of the holy data, as such.
03:12:07 decimation: to me, if one is going to improve on the "only in general" then one is going to have to better than Kant, Kierkegaard, Spinoza, Leibniz, etc.
03:12:09 *: asciilifeform most people taking it will scrub << wonders what kind of 'public education' films will be made about, e.g., logic analyzers, when these are banned
03:12:44 mircea_popescu: decimation the point is valid, there's relatively little useful stuff these singers/songwriters can do.
03:13:04 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you actually dispute this ?
03:13:22 decimation: "on the basis of holy data" << oglaf's princeling is searching for holy data to generalize upon as well :)
03:13:49 asciilifeform: re: mexican drug ballads: obligatory: http://www.malavita.com/diemusik_en.html
03:13:49 assbot: LA MUSICA DELLA MAFIA
03:14:03 mircea_popescu: somehow it's conveniently forgotten that einstein's general revolution was based on laboratory data
03:14:12 mircea_popescu: THAT WAS MOSTLY NOT ACCEPTED AS DATA at the time.
03:14:27 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i believe it. most people - will, likely - scrub.
03:14:29 decimation: so was maxwell's brilliant analysis
03:14:32 mircea_popescu: the establishment had a different set of data.
03:14:34 mircea_popescu: decimation exactly.
03:14:50 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not saying this is grounds to make anything legal or illegal, obviously.
03:15:23 mircea_popescu: but i don't believe you'll ever be able to run a place where drugs (the actual sort) are legal, for purely economic reasons.
03:15:28 asciilifeform: gedankenexperiment time. go to your workbench, pick some precious, rare, instrument - and contemplate what 'most people' would do with it.
03:15:39 asciilifeform: enough to give you insomnia.
03:17:05 asciilifeform: economic reasons >> so long as the slaves get the right kind of marching powder (i.e., with the requisite proportion of meth to opium) - what economic reasons ?
03:17:13 mircea_popescu: exactly those.
03:17:20 mircea_popescu: you presume to know who the slaves are.
03:17:23 mircea_popescu: how would you ?
03:17:46 asciilifeform: presumably - the folks queueing up for the marching powder ?
03:18:04 mircea_popescu: but whether it's legal or illegal doesn't decide whether they queue up for it
03:18:10 mircea_popescu: instead, it decides if you may force them to take it.
03:18:35 asciilifeform: aha the olympics thread
03:18:39 mircea_popescu: quite.
03:18:40 asciilifeform: 'if you can, you must' ?
03:18:57 mircea_popescu: exactly. making conception illegal for young women is fundamental if you want an educated set of women
03:19:08 mircea_popescu: because if it's not illegal, they'll all get impregnated aged 16
03:19:15 mircea_popescu: the most curious one the first and foremost
03:19:23 mircea_popescu: and curiosity is a cognate of intelligence. especially in women
03:20:09 decimation: asciilifeform: "rare instrument" << I'm imagining a spectrum analyzer providing light for reading :(
03:20:24 mircea_popescu: decimation i bet you he had this microscope nails thing in his head.
03:21:00 asciilifeform: or this:
03:21:01 asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pzvEouWino
03:21:02 assbot: C1-65A - Bad Apple (HD) - YouTube
03:21:08 *: BingoBoingo awaits the Bitcoincorridos
03:22:52 decimation: asciilifeform: lol I'm not sure that old crt o-scope could be put to much better use
03:23:27 *: asciilifeform is quite partial to crt scope, except on occasion of travel
03:24:10 BingoBoingo: "Next, Golubic contacted Sony/BMG Latin, one of the few American labels that produces narcocorridos,and the label offered one of its up-and-coming acts, Les Cuates deSinaloa."
03:24:56 decimation: asciilifeform: I would agree that nothing quite replaces that "temporary storage" of phosphor fading slowly
03:25:44 asciilifeform: [insert obligatory bitching about ADC quantization artifacts here]
03:26:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18702 @ 0.00063068 = 11.795 BTC [-]
03:27:29 decimation: asciilifeform: yeah most folks don't realize the limitations of adc's, especially when it comes to dynamic range issues
03:29:16 decimation: asciilifeform: I see your o-scope video raise you this guy: http://blog.narrat1ve.com/2013/08/08/vectors-or-my-man-inf-left-a-vec-and-a-9-at-my-crib/
03:29:17 assbot: Nerdy Texts of Analog and Embedded Systems Wizardry » Blog Archive » Vectors, or “My Man Inf Left A VEC and a 9 At My Crib”
03:31:13 *: asciilifeform lolz, owns that board
03:31:40 decimation: the xilinx board?
03:31:54 asciilifeform: that one.
03:32:01 asciilifeform: (among others)
03:32:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1659 @ 0.00063735 = 1.0574 BTC [+]
03:39:05 decimation: apparently this guy wrote most of the RTL: http://www.batslyadams.com/
03:39:06 assbot: Andy's Electronics Projects
04:05:48 assbot: xanthyos +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
04:06:01 kakobrekla: !up xanthyos
04:06:09 kakobrekla: hi.
04:07:11 xanthyos: hi
04:07:20 danielpbarron: !down xanthyos
04:07:39 kakobrekla: hm?
04:08:01 kakobrekla: !s xanthyos
04:08:02 assbot: 94 results for 'xanthyos' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=xanthyos
04:08:56 assbot: xanthyos +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
04:08:59 kakobrekla: you two have issues ?
04:09:06 assbot: xanthyos +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
04:09:17 kakobrekla: !up xanthyos
04:09:27 xanthyos: he thinks i'm going to embarass him in here
04:09:37 xanthyos: because he's a cunt and he likes to keep a facade in here to impress mp
04:09:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31300 @ 0.00063815 = 19.9741 BTC [+] {2}
04:09:50 kakobrekla: lolk
04:10:15 xanthyos: ;;rate danielpbarron -1 fickle with his friends, uses the bible to justify being disloyal
04:10:16 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user danielpbarron has changed from 8 to -1.
04:10:53 xanthyos: danielpbarron: tell your drug dealer friend i want him to settle his debt with me immediately.
04:11:07 xanthyos: i'm cutting ties with both of you
04:11:28 danielpbarron: hm, ok
04:12:44 xanthyos: now i feel awkward, and i'm sorry for disrupting things.
04:15:34 BingoBoingo: !up xanthyos
04:16:00 BingoBoingo: !up nineX_
04:16:30 BingoBoingo: !up apheleon
04:16:33 xanthyos: didn't feel comfortable staying on danielpbarron 's server anymore
04:16:44 xanthyos: fastest way to cut ties digitally
04:17:36 xanthyos: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:8ab73bf3e1298b53394a1ec3d5aacc63499b1dc8d0a0eb2a5681b079
04:17:37 gribble: You are now authenticated for user xanthyos with key B62E7295387001E9
04:25:58 xanthyos: hm seems i've been banned from -otc, guess the scammers in there are looking to preempt something
04:35:20 mircea_popescu: <xanthyos> because he's a cunt and he likes to keep a facade in here to impress mp << all teh dramaz ?
04:36:19 xanthyos: being a cunt helps him be an effective derp reporter though.
04:36:54 *: nubbins` yawns, stretches
04:36:57 nubbins`: tell us more
04:37:42 assbot: Claim: Microsoft Alt-F4'd Chilean government open-source install bid The Register
04:38:26 xanthyos: i got the anger out and now all i have is shame.
04:39:21 nubbins`: sweet
04:39:53 mircea_popescu: lol funny how the emotional balance works.
04:40:36 nubbins`: torpor and catharsis
04:41:34 mircea_popescu: !up keows
04:41:49 keows: hello
04:42:04 keows: is BTCJAM bad for bitcoin?
04:42:15 keows: will the WOT prevail?
04:42:16 mircea_popescu: depends whose.
04:43:27 keows: i will send you a penny in bitcoin if you say KEOWS
04:43:30 keows: mircea_popescu:
04:44:18 mircea_popescu: wait wut ?
04:45:09 mircea_popescu: !s Slappy Squirrel
04:45:10 assbot: 0 results for 'Slappy Squirrel' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=Slappy+Squirrel
04:45:14 assbot: Chinese hackers spied on investigators of Flight MH370 - report The Register
04:45:15 mircea_popescu: well in that case...
04:45:19 mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mdqv5xIsFLM
04:45:19 assbot: Slappy Squirrel - Who's on Stage? - YouTube
04:45:20 asciilifeform: run moar winblows.
04:45:36 cazalla: ThickAsThieves: cazalla, is it fibromyalgia? >> I've been told it's somatization but i don't know tbh, i've exhausted whatever medical investigation i've been sent for, cardiologist said whatever it is, not my heart, neuro said whatever it is, not neurological, never tried cannabis for it, doesn't agree with me anyway so not an option
04:45:58 keows: i will send you one penny worth of bitcoins if you simply say
04:45:59 keows: KEOWS
04:46:07 keows: mircea_popescu:
04:46:09 nubbins`: a penny, sweet
04:46:43 mircea_popescu: "This was well-crafted malware that antivirus programs couldn't detect. It was a very sophisticated attack," Wahab added. << "it didn't come with a warning box to click on"
04:47:09 mircea_popescu: keows keep it.
04:49:08 keows: at first i read "keows it up"
04:49:10 keows: and i go happy
04:49:18 keows: then i read again and im sad panda
04:50:20 ThickAsThieves: my cat just brought my wife's sports bra to me from across the house, waddling its front legs as it dragged in front in its mouth
04:51:24 mircea_popescu: apparently cat thinks you're developing nicely.
04:51:29 ThickAsThieves: lol
04:51:45 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform btw, left handle a comment blasting him about his "baseline expectation" bs.
04:58:51 BingoBoingo: !s handle
04:58:52 assbot: 640 results for 'handle' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=handle
05:04:32 BingoBoingo: http://www.fsi-language-courses.org/Content.php
05:04:33 assbot: FSI Language Courses - Home
05:04:53 asciilifeform: lol
05:06:33 BingoBoingo: http://www.fsi-language-courses.org/Courses/Romanian/FSI%20-%20Romanian%20Reference%20Grammar%20-%20Student%20Text.pdf << Crutch, not a perfect one
05:07:08 asciilifeform: herr handle, incidentally, is employed as (not a secret) a lawyer.
05:07:33 asciilifeform: though, afaik, not the variety that argues cases.
05:08:18 *: asciilifeform had some very entertaining conversations with the fellow about peculiarities of american law, as practiced
05:10:04 mircea_popescu: "Your content isn't worth much to begin with if it goes down in value as it gets shared." this is an interesting concept.
05:11:04 asciilifeform: presumably not counting the degenerate cases (e.g. private keys) ?
05:14:45 penguirker: New blog post: http://contravex.com/2014/08/24/for-states-small-is-beautiful/
05:18:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 668 @ 0.00090151 = 0.6022 BTC [+] {4}
05:22:55 mircea_popescu: well secrets != content.
05:26:10 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: maximizing the market is not a valid goal of economics any more than maximizing body weight is not a valid goal of medicine. << lulz
05:54:41 BingoBoingo: !up RagnarsBitch
07:00:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13547 @ 0.00063802 = 8.6433 BTC [-]
07:10:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24200 @ 0.00063942 = 15.474 BTC [+] {2}
07:14:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 878 @ 0.0009889 = 0.8683 BTC [-]
07:18:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 98 @ 0.01009999 = 0.9898 BTC [-]
07:25:39 RagnarDanneskjol: !up BingoBoingo
07:26:12 BingoBoingo: lol
07:26:16 RagnarDanneskjol: hehe
07:31:48 BingoBoingo: http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--EnQZWhaN--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/ad6ifs8pape4nzyyowu2.gif << Yasiel Puig turns a double play into a triple play
07:34:01 RagnarDanneskjol: wow very nice
07:40:07 assbot: Baby Finds His Umbilical Cord, Passes Out - Medical Satire - GomerBlog
07:40:08 assbot: Lolvacute, pentru posteritate pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
07:52:52 assbot: Fertilized Hipster Egg Decides Uterus Just not my style, Moves to Abdomen - Medical Satire - GomerBlog
07:52:56 assbot: Amir Taaki has done, and continues to do, huge disservice to anyone serious involved in Bitcoin. pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
08:03:39 RagnarDanneskjol: hmm
09:18:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17956 @ 0.00063984 = 11.489 BTC [+] {3}
09:35:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 66 @ 0.01069888 = 0.7061 BTC [+]
09:39:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 60 @ 0.01069888 = 0.6419 BTC [+]
10:04:45 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell jborkl http://www.bcoinnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/sharkbite-300x187.jpg << you know those bitcoin vignettes added on pictures would look a lot better if they were on transparent background.
10:04:46 gribble: The operation succeeded.
10:17:37 *: fluffypony needs coffee
10:17:39 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes re your article, there was at least another scam derpopoulous pushed. can't seem to recall wtf it was tho.
10:18:22 mircea_popescu: fluffypony i'm curious what you'd be like if there was no coffee for a week or two.
10:18:39 fluffypony: when I go hiking I don't take coffee with
10:18:48 fluffypony: Otter Trail 10 day hike was fine
10:18:57 mircea_popescu: aok
10:19:01 fluffypony: it's different when you're out there and active and not staring at a screen all day
10:19:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14155 @ 0.00064104 = 9.0739 BTC [+]
10:23:01 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo lol the past! "Sep 04 22:37:31 * ciuciu (~chatzilla@96.127.204.194) has joined #bitcoin-assets"
10:23:11 mircea_popescu: !s from:ciuciu
10:23:12 assbot: 0 results for 'from:ciuciu' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=from%3Aciuciu
10:23:33 BingoBoingo: I don't think he's been on since public logs
10:24:33 mircea_popescu: what did he defraud his "numerous investors" with ? some sort of mining farm was it
10:25:34 BingoBoingo: Mining, a bond? Twas before I really started taking notes.
10:25:49 mircea_popescu: yeah something like that.
10:25:51 mircea_popescu: "The Bitcoin community is not just overwhelmingly larger but of overwhelmingly better quality as well. Bitcoin is surrounded by real entrepreneurs working hard to create new and useful services for Bitcoin. Altcoins are surrounded by loud-mouthed pretenders with irrational hopes of duplicating Nakamoto's success."
10:26:09 mircea_popescu: krawisz stomping heads
10:26:32 fluffypony: lol
10:26:48 fluffypony: although, Bitcoin "entrepreneurs" aren't much better
10:27:13 mircea_popescu: well obviously everything will be surrounded by a bunch of tims.
10:27:15 BingoBoingo: Back then it didn't much matter what people called their own things as those labels were rarely accurate
10:27:47 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo quite.
10:28:14 mircea_popescu: more a function of what had been on tv that week / what the person picked up from google finance.
10:28:38 mircea_popescu: hey have developed a series of fallacies capable of fooling newcomers into joining them, but they are all disingenuous.
10:28:38 mircea_popescu: Thus, the altcoin communities are not just embarrassing, but dangerous. Desperately wishing to be taken seriously despite having nothing worthwhile to offer, they will say absolutely anything to convince other people to join them. They persist in saying things easily refuted by economic logic, common sense, or verifiable facts.
10:28:42 abathingape: lol?
10:28:47 mircea_popescu: well dangerous, but this is a good thing.
10:28:53 mircea_popescu: a world without danger is not a world.
10:29:02 abathingape: homework in america for colleges is becoming pay to use,
10:29:10 abathingape: its like $80 a class
10:29:18 abathingape: http://connect.customer.mheducation.com/
10:29:18 assbot: McGraw-Hill Connect
10:29:42 mircea_popescu: abathingape someone should make a "fuck your girlfriend" service.
10:30:07 mircea_popescu: collect money from well to do white people, trick aspirational hispanos into working for free to "prove themselves", show a profit.
10:31:47 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker
10:31:49 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 505.01, Best ask: 505.03, Bid-ask spread: 0.02000, Last trade: 505.01, 24 hour volume: 6183.65763719, 24 hour low: 496.0, 24 hour high: 515.95, 24 hour vwap: 505.029295457
10:32:26 mircea_popescu: sadly the guy has a bitcoin address as a coinbase wallet and a pgp but no wot. wtf.
10:35:32 BingoBoingo: %t
10:35:33 atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 175 Ask: 221 Last Price: 170 24h-Vol: 0k High: 170 Low: 170 VWAP: 169
10:36:13 mircea_popescu: scam.
10:36:42 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2010/familia-traditionala-versus-harem-studiu-comparativ/ << fro teh romanian scholars.
10:36:44 assbot: Familia traditionala versus harem - studiu comparativ pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
10:37:51 mircea_popescu: !up NumberSix_
10:40:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8479 @ 0.0006366 = 5.3977 BTC [-]
10:42:43 mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic: I'm amazed at the trust people put into PoS, but then again after seeing the investment section of bitcointalk it isn't that surprising << makes two of us.
10:43:24 mircea_popescu: the best construction i can put on it is, "hey, the whiteknighting virgin geeks have finally found a way to express their usual "a guy that really loves and respects you and cares" derpage into bitcoin form"
10:44:18 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: re: nail polish poison detector << how many cases of dysentery from the finger dips. << i would imagine you dribble rather than dip.
10:44:53 BingoBoingo: "There is no principle difference between the ideal treatment for slaves captured in war and of children born in traditional families, both are people chained to their captors by some imagined debt, of which they personally have not acquiesced." << Interesting, if this is a roughly worthwhile translation.
10:45:16 mircea_popescu: o wow look at this poor bluemeanie dude, he loves me all over the log then i come in and am like all mean to him.
10:46:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 69 @ 0.011 = 0.759 BTC [+]
10:46:19 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you got most of it flawlessly, but the intro is a bitch
10:46:42 mircea_popescu: Nu exista in principiu o diferenta de tratament ideal < tratament ideal is, "ideal treatment", in the sense of normative, prescriptive treatment.
10:46:51 BingoBoingo: Ah
10:47:18 mircea_popescu: "nu exista in principiu" means there doesnt exist (nu exista) for absolute reasons (in principiu, roughly, following from principle, for reasons derived from prime principles)
10:47:40 mircea_popescu: so, "the ideal treatment of one does not differ from the other for reasons that are derived from prime principles".
10:48:15 mircea_popescu: the point being that while you're welcome to disagree in practice, your doing so is arbitrariety not reason.
10:50:25 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: exponentially difficult << 'learn' for translating a diplomat - perhaps hard; reading articles in your armchair slowly - not so hard << the diplomat in question doth protest.
10:50:47 mircea_popescu: (you meant live dubbing didn't you)
10:55:08 BingoBoingo: "In net opposition to this bizarre and at least in appearance sick model of social organization, the harem shows some clear advantages."
10:55:34 mircea_popescu: some ample cleavages.
10:55:43 mircea_popescu: !up Niko__
10:56:58 mircea_popescu: the log is so self referrential omfg. first there's http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-08-2014#806551 then there's http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-08-2014#806604 sometimes it feels like it just works on its own.
10:56:58 assbot: Logged on 23-08-2014 19:26:23; BlueMeanie4: hey if the mod is going to silence me for no voiced reason mid conversation- why bother?
10:56:59 assbot: Logged on 23-08-2014 20:11:27; BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/lisawomersley/status/499771410751815682
10:57:34 *: BingoBoingo still has yet to recieve spam from the SEC/CIA/NSA/DHS/DEA/NYDSFMOGWTFBBQ asking him to read fraudsters for them...
10:58:24 mircea_popescu: how could they possibly trust you ?
10:59:09 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I have WoT! as some people from other channels might suggest...
10:59:37 mircea_popescu: you don't understand how the government works. it'll never pay you to do something you're already interested in.
11:00:44 Niko__: greetings
11:00:53 BingoBoingo: Oh, that part of the problem
11:01:01 mircea_popescu: ello Niko__
11:01:02 BingoBoingo: Welcome Niko__
11:01:04 mircea_popescu: who're you ?
11:02:04 Niko__: someone who has enough knowledge to himself in trouble
11:02:22 BingoBoingo: Ah allegedly I myself into trouble all the time
11:02:33 mircea_popescu: An organist playing old Stork had a prick that could hold a small fork, and between obbligatos he'd munch on tomatoes to keep up his strength while at work.
11:02:35 Niko__: lol
11:04:35 Niko__: thats one dextrous dick
11:07:46 mircea_popescu: !up wallet42
11:08:35 mircea_popescu: fun fact re the old stork : milton berle was banned there. along with bogart.
11:25:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11699 @ 0.00064207 = 7.5116 BTC [+]
11:27:57 mircea_popescu: Once, while in attendance at a party, a guest made a comment about rape, and Bankhead reportedly replied, "I was raped in our driveway when I was eleven. You know darling, it was a terrible experience because we had all that gravel."
11:28:12 mircea_popescu: now why do i think "all about eve";s margo is drawn after bankhead ?
11:31:30 thestringpuller: ;;ticker
11:31:31 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 501.4, Best ask: 504.27, Bid-ask spread: 2.87000, Last trade: 504.33, 24 hour volume: 6672.75954235, 24 hour low: 496.79, 24 hour high: 515.95, 24 hour vwap: 504.895097955
11:31:33 thestringpuller: !last m s.mpoe
11:31:33 assbot: Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.00064207 BTC [+]
11:33:42 mircea_popescu: In 1933, Bankhead nearly died following a five-hour emergency hysterectomy due to venereal disease. Only 70 pounds (32 kg) when she left the hospital, she stoically said to her doctor, "Don't think this has taught me a lesson!"
11:33:48 mircea_popescu: apparently they took out her largest part.
11:34:06 BingoBoingo: It ended https://atc.waroflife.com/gow/25/
11:34:07 assbot: Game 25 - Death 7104 Life 2896 Year 1000 - War of Life
11:34:23 mircea_popescu: %d
11:34:24 atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 239819.71 in 1739 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -87.23
12:12:56 fluffypony: my ANX debit cards arrived
12:16:30 punkman: fluffypony: how much paperwork did it take?
12:16:47 punkman: also, is their exchange any good?
12:16:48 fluffypony: not much, normal exchange verification stuff
12:16:59 fluffypony: plus they posted me a letter with a code to confirm my address on file
12:17:25 fluffypony: it seems decent - based out of Hong Kong, so that's their primary market
12:17:33 fluffypony: the cards are backed by a bank in Poland
12:17:56 fluffypony: mBank SA
12:21:11 punkman: interesting "When a buy or sell order is submitted, the ANXBTC platform receives matching orders from an extensive number of buyers and sellers who have registered as part of the ANX Open Dealer Network. "
12:24:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15200 @ 0.00063931 = 9.7175 BTC [-] {2}
12:27:07 RagnarDanneskjol: ANX is good people. I know them personally. I'm pissed someone else got their card before me
12:34:58 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker
12:35:05 BingoBoingo: ;;lasers
12:35:05 gribble: ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*
12:35:29 wywialm: fluffypony, is there any info on the mBank backing the ANX card?
12:36:06 fluffypony: wywialm: I actually have an account with them from a couple of years back, they're Polish
12:37:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17700 @ 0.00063661 = 11.268 BTC [-] {2}
12:37:22 wywialm: I know that mBank is Polish :) however, is it official that mBank backs this ANX card?
12:39:38 BingoBoingo: Oh, the things Jimmothy posts when he isn't persecuting mircea_popescu for being European https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=521520.msg8507845#msg8507845
12:39:38 assbot: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - carrier grade, data center ready mining rigs
12:41:52 punkman: think I've seen lots of people resell mbank debit cards
12:42:06 punkman: usually "anonymous"
12:43:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.293997 = 1.47 BTC [-]
12:43:41 punkman: fluffypony: if you already had an account with them, what's the benefit of the anx card?
12:43:57 fluffypony: punkman: I didn't realise that it was provided by mBank
12:44:33 fluffypony: this was just for fun and to have something lying around that I can load BTC on to and swipe if I really want to
12:46:00 wywialm: the ANX card is not anonymous, is it?
12:46:31 fluffypony: wywialm you have to verify your account with ANX
12:46:35 fluffypony: but the card is in their name
12:46:45 fluffypony: and verification is pretty loose
12:47:01 wywialm: thanks for the info
12:52:00 BingoBoingo: %ob
12:52:01 atcbot: 16k@250 2k@245 43k@221 | 95k@175 15k@170 125k@165
12:59:48 thestringpuller: ;;ticker
12:59:49 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 502.65, Best ask: 504.0, Bid-ask spread: 1.35000, Last trade: 502.63, 24 hour volume: 6750.38002864, 24 hour low: 496.79, 24 hour high: 515.95, 24 hour vwap: 505.080802734
12:59:53 thestringpuller: is ticker down?
12:59:59 thestringpuller: oops
13:00:02 thestringpuller: XD
13:06:51 BingoBoingo: !up mpmcsweeney
13:13:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8400 @ 0.00064335 = 5.4041 BTC [+] {2}
13:21:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00063631 = 6.4904 BTC [-] {2}
13:36:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.293998 = 0.882 BTC [+]
13:39:02 BingoBoingo: Carp in an Eastern European commercial >> http://i.crackedcdn.com/phpimages/article/3/2/4/306324_v1.gif
13:40:19 BingoBoingo: !up gernika
13:40:25 BingoBoingo: Hello gernika
13:40:28 gernika: Hi
13:42:00 BingoBoingo: What brings you round these parts. (apologies If I've asked before, I drink)
13:42:58 gernika: Ah. Well, I'm interested in bitcoin. Been reading the logs for a few weeks now.
13:43:20 nubbins`: !up samO
13:43:34 nubbins`: oh, hm
13:43:44 nubbins`: !down Guest32652
13:43:47 nubbins`: !up samO
13:44:16 samO: thx nubbins`
13:44:43 nubbins`: willkommen
13:44:43 BingoBoingo: Cool
13:46:15 BingoBoingo: %p
13:46:20 atcbot: No data returned from CoinMiner.net
13:46:20 atcbot: [PityThePool Hashrate]: 718.23 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.26 TH/s
13:46:41 thestringpuller: %d
13:46:42 atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 240385.82 in 1737 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -87.20
13:46:54 thestringpuller: LOL
13:47:41 BingoBoingo: %tslb
13:47:42 atcbot: 1 hour 0 minutes and 15 seconds
13:47:48 BingoBoingo: It's definitely moving
13:47:50 BingoBoingo: %t
13:47:51 atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 175 Ask: 221 Last Price: 170 24h-Vol: 0k High: N/A Low: N/A VWAP: N/A
13:47:52 thestringpuller: lol whut???????
13:48:04 thestringpuller: ;;tslb
13:48:09 gribble: Time since last block: 41 minutes and 14 seconds
13:48:09 BingoBoingo: Still stuck in that post dump price standoff
13:54:01 nubbins`: woo, i've got enough aeroplan points for two round-trip tickets anywhere in north america
13:54:59 *: nubbins` twists invisible mustache
13:55:40 xmj: congrats
13:58:18 thestringpuller: nubbins` wubbins
14:00:19 thestringpuller: nubbins`: the designer will email you with a signed message
14:00:28 thestringpuller: ;;gettrust petenineteen
14:00:28 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user petenineteen: Level 1: 6, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=thestringpuller&dest=petenineteen | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=petenineteen | Rated since: Wed Aug 20 22:28:26 2014
14:00:37 nubbins`: tyvm for the pre-announcement 8)
14:01:29 thestringpuller: ;;gettrust nubbins
14:01:29 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user nubbins: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=thestringpuller&dest=nubbins | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=nubbins | Rated since: never
14:04:12 pankkake: ;;gettrust thestringpuller nubbins`
14:04:12 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user nubbins`: Level 1: 2, Level 2: 6 via 4 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=thestringpuller&dest=nubbins%60 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=nubbins%60 | Rated since: Wed Oct 16 19:58:53 2013
14:04:29 pankkake: nubbins prime?
14:04:42 thestringpuller: yup
14:04:49 pankkake: or nubbins backtick
14:09:36 nubbins`: backtick, i guess
14:09:42 nubbins`: i'm admittedly unsure
14:28:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1212 @ 0.00083001 = 1.006 BTC [-]
14:37:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7600 @ 0.00063564 = 4.8309 BTC [-]
15:31:09 jborkl: http://www.bcoinnews.com/price/ added BTC/gold to the grid and to the main price ticker
15:31:10 assbot: Bitcoin exchange price
15:32:52 thestringpuller: interesting jborkl
15:32:58 thestringpuller: random question for you
15:33:05 jborkl: sure
15:33:06 thestringpuller: old mining hardware that becomes worthless to run as diff goes up
15:33:11 thestringpuller: is it best to throw it away
15:33:23 thestringpuller: or would their be a way to recycle the components in some kinda "liquidation event"?
15:33:41 ben_vulpes: forum'll apparently buy anything.
15:33:42 kakobrekla: yeah, you can liquidate it by throwing it in hot magma
15:33:51 thestringpuller: LOL kakobrekla
15:33:58 jborkl: mine is in the closet, the fpgas retained value since they could be retasked
15:34:12 jborkl: but current gen i think trash
15:34:51 thestringpuller: I was just wondering because I used to do IT for a company that would buy large amounts of old CPU's, and sell them to recyclers who would extract precious metals from them.
15:36:41 jborkl: I am not sure on that one 100%, I don't think there is anything worth it
15:37:09 jborkl: but I do not really know, just looking at the ones under my desk and they look like trash
15:37:12 jborkl: heh
15:38:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22200 @ 0.0006385 = 14.1747 BTC [+]
15:38:09 kakobrekla: ;;bc,stats
15:38:12 gribble: Current Blocks: 317427 | Current Difficulty: 2.38446700388033E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 318527 | Next Difficulty In: 1100 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 6 hours, 29 minutes, and 46 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 25928994612.9 | Estimated Percent Change: 8.74126
15:40:47 thestringpuller: that's so sad
15:40:55 thestringpuller: what a waste of silicon with such a limited lifespan....
15:41:03 ben_vulpes: <BlueMeanie4> some of these bitcoin people are reminiscint of the french revolution. for a few weeks they thought they could completely redesign the whole universe. << that party did rewrite the rules, and bitcoin'll do the same.
15:41:36 ben_vulpes: (1500 lines behind...)
15:45:10 pankkake: uh, if Bitcoin is the French revolution, I'm out
15:49:28 artifexd: ;;later tell mike_c Any thoughts on why S.MPOE has fallen off a cliff?
15:49:29 gribble: The operation succeeded.
15:50:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6945 @ 0.00064287 = 4.4647 BTC [+]
15:55:50 nubbins`: http://imgur.com/R94Qmw0
15:55:50 assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
15:55:56 nubbins`: ^ just arrived in the mail :D
15:56:41 pankkake: nice
15:57:07 pankkake: was that expensive or did no one think about buying those?
15:57:42 nubbins`: they're very hard to find
15:58:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5766 @ 0.00064264 = 3.7055 BTC [-]
16:00:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.58037915 BTC to 14`987 shares, 10545 satoshi per share
16:01:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 2.54147348 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 221 satoshi per share
16:04:45 b00lcrap: test
16:04:55 ben_vulpes: pong
16:04:59 ben_vulpes: ack
16:05:00 ben_vulpes: derp
16:05:03 b00lcrap: herp
16:06:23 TomServo: nubbins`: Mind mentioning how/where you found it?
16:09:46 b00lcrap: there was an Easter egg hunt?
16:11:09 TomServo: !up Kamuela
16:11:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9089 @ 0.00063564 = 5.7773 BTC [-]
16:12:01 nubbins`: TomServo, got it from another collector :D
16:14:44 TheNewDeal: !t m s.mpoe
16:14:45 assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00062893 / 0.00063654 / 0.00064393 (694057 shares, 441.80 BTC), 7D: 0.00062821 / 0.00065564 / 0.00070855 (4324841 shares, 2,835.54 BTC), 30D: 0.00062821 / 0.0007684 / 0.00094217 (18819481 shares, 14,460.91 BTC)
16:14:49 Kamuela: do you folks have a favorite crypto market?
16:15:02 TheNewDeal: krakken
16:15:05 TheNewDeal: it really kraks me up
16:16:21 kakobrekla: kraken is selective scam
16:17:48 TheNewDeal: I was reading an article the other day that the founder/owner created it after helping mark karpeles run mt gox
16:17:53 TheNewDeal: made me chuckle
16:18:36 Kamuela: trying to open chrome on mint... and nothing happens. it's like trying to start a car with a dead battery
16:18:46 asciilifeform: b00lcrap: this isn't how it works. gotta say something of substance.
16:19:19 b00lcrap: haha
16:19:21 b00lcrap: im just observing
16:19:30 b00lcrap: so far i have said nothing
16:19:45 b00lcrap: mostly just idle.
16:19:50 Kamuela: I read the article on nakamotoinstitute that mentioned this channel
16:20:05 Kamuela: got me all hoo-rah'd and so here I am
16:20:05 TheNewDeal: never heard of nakomotoinstitute
16:20:07 TheNewDeal: who wrote that
16:20:28 Kamuela: did I probably butcher the real name? lol let me try to get the link. give me a moment to delete my chrome profile...
16:20:36 TomServo: http://nakamotoinstitute.org/
16:20:36 assbot: Satoshi Nakamoto Institute
16:20:40 TomServo: presumably
16:21:11 TomServo: Kamuela: But which article references b-a?
16:21:35 Kamuela: I'm trying to fix chrome so I can show you lol, the process refuses to die
16:23:17 TomServo: Gah, I forgot MP had an article there.. it was probably: http://nakamotoinstitute.org/gpg-contracts/
16:23:18 assbot: GPG Contracts | Satoshi Nakamoto Institute
16:23:40 assbot: Bitcoin: Killer of Nietzschean Nihilism | Satoshi Nakamoto Institute
16:24:46 TheNewDeal: that's a bcp article
16:24:50 TheNewDeal: pete_d
16:26:07 Duffer1: looks like he was credited, but i can't tell what the website is supposed to be
16:28:02 pankkake: they're credited and were asked
16:28:46 TheNewDeal: website is just a blog aggregator it looks like, also add in some "reading materials"
16:28:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5365 @ 0.0006101 = 3.2732 BTC [-] {12}
16:29:21 pankkake: well, it's a human selection
16:30:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 225 @ 0.00287188 = 0.6462 BTC [+] {2}
16:33:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.29399928 = 2.058 BTC [+] {2}
16:34:23 TheNewDeal: true true
16:34:53 Kamuela: TheNewDeal: is it? i was under the impression mempool was all original articles
16:34:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10834 @ 0.00063841 = 6.9165 BTC [+]
16:35:06 Kamuela: extremely exuberant pro-Bitcoin original articles lol
16:36:18 TheNewDeal: what do you mean by original articles?
16:37:39 TheNewDeal: about 3/4 of them are written by two of the site "Director of Research" or "Treasurer"
16:42:19 Duffer1: !up kamuela
16:42:53 Kamuela: Duffer1: thank you
16:42:58 Duffer1: ^.^
16:43:00 Kamuela: TheNewDeal: we may be talking about two different things
16:44:12 TheNewDeal: http://nakamotoinstitute.org/mempool/
16:44:13 assbot: The Memory Pool | Satoshi Nakamoto Institute
16:44:19 TheNewDeal: that's what I'm talking about
16:45:22 Kamuela: ah yeah, same here. you said blog aggregator though, which is why i said that it seemed they were original articles, which they are, right?
16:45:39 Kamuela: not saying they're more than essays though or that the main focus of that area is lots of content
16:46:40 TheNewDeal: I was wondering what you considered an "original article"
16:49:14 Kamuela: content that wasn't republished from somewhere else. am i totally wrong? do all those cite their original sources?
16:49:24 Kamuela: figured they were born on the site
16:54:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 70 @ 0.01173 = 0.8211 BTC [+]
16:54:38 pankkake: some of them were first published there yes
16:55:21 TheNewDeal: the only article not written by the two site people is the one from pete_d
16:55:57 mircea_popescu: <fluffypony> it seems decent - based out of Hong Kong, so that's their primary market the cards are backed by a bank in Poland << so weirdly contradictory.
16:56:15 fluffypony: lol
16:56:21 fluffypony: it's prepaid debit cards
16:56:27 fluffypony: so it doesn't really matter who issues them :)
16:56:39 mircea_popescu: no argument, it's just teh postmodernism
16:57:10 thestringpuller: ;;later tell mike_c seconded
16:57:10 gribble: The operation succeeded.
16:57:32 mircea_popescu: punkman:
16:57:32 mircea_popescu: interesting "When a buy or sell order is submitted, the ANXBTC platform receives matching orders from an extensive number of buyers and sellers who have registered as part of the ANX Open Dealer Network. " << "we selftrade. deal with it"
16:59:35 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: What brings you round these parts. (apologies If I've asked before, I drink) << i'm stealin gthis one.
17:00:24 nubbins`: !up topace
17:00:59 mircea_popescu: nubbins`: tyvm for the pre-announcement 8) << it's out of this world how the guy does things innit.
17:01:15 nubbins`: "does" ;D
17:01:46 mircea_popescu: it's almost as if he spent too long working in some large corp and it... changed him.
17:02:03 nubbins`: one of the reasons why i got out while i still could
17:02:21 nubbins`: "jon, you're drowning this man in information" "oh fuck, you're right"
17:02:26 TheNewDeal: ;;calc 204310/(100*pi)
17:02:26 gribble: 650.338928462
17:02:49 nubbins`: gallery: http://imgur.com/a/putkr
17:02:49 assbot: The Times January 3 2009 - Imgur
17:03:11 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: yeah, you can liquidate it by throwing it in hot magma << if you can throw things into it (-> air exposed) it's probably not hot enough to liquidate Si.
17:04:43 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller: what a waste of silicon with such a limited lifespan.... << one of the more abundant elements and what sand is made out of. i never thought i'd see one feel sorry ~for silicon~
17:05:25 mircea_popescu: pankkake: uh, if Bitcoin is the French revolution, I'm out << the discussion was to amplitude. it is just as large an event. as i say there, it just happens to be going the other way, that's all.
17:08:15 mircea_popescu: Duffer1: looks like he was credited, but i can't tell what the website is supposed to be << best i can determine, it's aiming to be a b-a without the ba, predicated on the theory that you can somehow have ideologically neutral sources of power.
17:08:37 mircea_popescu: this is a lulzy proposition, but too complex a point to try and explain it. cheaper to just let people try and pick up the pieces later.
17:15:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10451 @ 0.0006015 = 6.2863 BTC [-] {21}
17:20:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7014 @ 0.0006 = 4.2084 BTC [-] {4}
17:25:24 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: re: irc - perhaps the conformal servers?
17:25:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 83 @ 0.01166 = 0.9678 BTC [-]
17:27:10 Duffer1: !up kamuela
17:27:16 Kamuela: Thank you Duffer1
17:27:22 Duffer1: sure man
17:27:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69598 @ 0.0006433 = 44.7724 BTC [+] {3}
17:28:28 penguirker: New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/california-gold-rush-vs-bitcoin-mining-rush/
17:29:34 ben_vulpes: who is bcoinnews.com?
17:29:59 pankkake: jborkl
17:32:33 kakobrekla: if you can throw things into it (-> air exposed) < that is your ASSumption . i didnt say lava.
17:32:46 nubbins`: AYYYOOOOO
17:33:34 nubbins`: although this does bring us to the question of how you can throw things into magma
17:33:43 nubbins`: !up mpmcsweeney
17:34:43 *: kakobrekla ponders how to get out of that one.
17:34:45 kakobrekla: ah i got it.
17:34:57 nubbins`: argon
17:35:01 kakobrekla: its an exercise to alert reader.
17:35:58 nubbins`: hm.
17:36:28 nubbins`: suppose the molten rock is rising to the top of the cone, but has not yet reached it
17:36:37 nubbins`: still magma at this point?
17:37:12 *: nubbins` nods
17:38:46 kakobrekla: yeah mp, we totaly pwnd you. next time just say lol!
17:38:48 nubbins`: but would it melt Si!
17:41:37 kakobrekla: that is not even the point for a while now.
17:42:32 nubbins`: fair enough
17:42:51 nubbins`: meantime, your 5 posters should be printed and mailed out within the next week or so
17:44:09 kakobrekla: cool
17:47:08 Kamuela: i'm trying to figure out the best way to crowdfund a bitcoin project. i really want to give equity and profit-sharing because i think anything else is BS
17:57:54 kakobrekla: !up Kamuela
17:58:06 Kamuela: thank you kakobrekla
17:58:33 kakobrekla: what is the project about?
18:00:50 Kamuela: briefly, a bitcoin work market a la odesk. development team ready
18:02:31 kakobrekla: and you need capital for ?
18:03:55 Kamuela: kakobrekla: MVP development
18:05:28 kakobrekla: who are you/your team?
18:05:50 Kamuela: I'm in talks with differential to do it in the meteor framework
18:06:00 Kamuela: http://differential.io
18:06:00 assbot: Differential | We Build Big Ideas
18:06:05 Kamuela: lol
18:06:32 kakobrekla: so you wanna be the ceo and pay someone to code something up?
18:07:22 kakobrekla: but to pay you need get capital.
18:07:32 kakobrekla: am i missing something?
18:07:36 Kamuela: i could attempt to develop it myself, but my skills there are really crap. i have designs and nearing full use cases for the MVP
18:08:03 Kamuela: yes, you've got it
18:08:17 thestringpuller: so you come to us #b-a this the day of our daughter's wedding
18:09:07 Kamuela: i'd like to keep it within bitcoin's community and equity based because everything else is a crock of sh** honestly. it's not fair to give people merchandise and coupons for something that's going to generate revenue
18:09:59 kakobrekla: ok so who are you and what makes you think you are theoretically capable of running such a thing?
18:10:13 Kamuela: and for it to be truly competitive to something like odesk, it will need to be flexible enough to establish itself in an overseas jurisdiction only when completely necessary. meaning dealing in USD first and setting up a bank account makes it legally complex from the getgo
18:11:18 Kamuela: someone who shares the interests of many for a Bitcoin work market, a go-to for both supplemental and potentially off-grid lifestyles
18:12:28 Kamuela: why am i the one? because i'm committed to keeping it useful for people as far as it can be taken. i'm not looking to grow and sell out. my interests are aligned with keeping it one of the most decentralized ways to act in the BTC economy
18:12:53 kakobrekla: how is it decentralized?
18:13:38 Kamuela: initially it isn't, it's a single-server application. but ultimately i will seek to develop many methods of access via alternate and distributed networks
18:14:12 Kamuela: the technology isn't decentralized first, but the idea that anyone can offer services and receive Bitcoin as compensation is the most decentralized of all exchanges, imo
18:14:24 Kamuela: you're always subject to a bank at a cash exchange
18:15:30 Kamuela: you also need to solve the problem of "what is Bitcoin useful for"
18:15:53 assbot: trixisowned comments on With the mtgox fiasco being long forgotten, Mark Karpeles launches a new business, "forever.net" selling VPS, VoIP & dedicated servers: bitcoin is NOT accepted.
18:15:54 abathingape: kekeke
18:16:28 Kamuela: speculating? that's it? one of the biggest uses of currency is in transaction and the building of capital. we have some stock markets and that's great and will continue to grow along with 2.0 uses, but as a currency it needs to facilitate real trade
18:17:29 Kamuela: the superniche initial target market are just Bitcoin supporters and enthusiasts, but ultimately it can compete with something like odesk by undercutting its fees especially as in many places getting into Bitcoin is getting ridiculously easy, meaning obtaining it
18:17:47 Kamuela: getting out is a bit harder, but something the initial contractors will shoulder voluntarily
18:18:05 kakobrekla: still dont know who you are.
18:18:45 Kamuela: who should I be? as a serious question
18:19:21 kakobrekla: ok, so this is me: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=kakobrekla
18:19:21 assbot: Rating Details for User 'kakobrekla'
18:19:23 kakobrekla: who are you?
18:20:08 Kamuela: kakobrekla: https://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=126219604
18:20:09 assbot: Sign Up | LinkedIn
18:20:29 kakobrekla: sez enter username and password
18:21:10 Kamuela: are linkedin profiles not public?
18:21:24 kakobrekla: nfi
18:22:23 Kamuela: kakobrekla: does this also require a login? http://lnkd.in/bA2NERy
18:22:25 assbot: Kamuela Franco | LinkedIn
18:22:52 kakobrekla: works
18:26:09 mod6: ;;seen moiety
18:26:10 gribble: moiety was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 weeks, 1 day, 7 hours, 10 minutes, and 35 seconds ago: <moiety> manuls for all! :]
18:27:22 kakobrekla: Kamuela well anyway, i can only show you the door, you are the one who has to step through it; http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets
18:27:22 assbot: first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki]
18:29:40 kakobrekla: (fyi i send everyone there, even ninjashogun - bad cases get slaughtered sooner or later)
18:29:56 kakobrekla: !up Kamuela
18:34:42 kakobrekla: also this is you? http://web.archive.org/web/20120801003219/http://kamuelafranco.com/
18:34:43 assbot: Idealism Personified - KamuelaFranco.com
18:38:09 Kamuela: kakobrekla: thank you, man, for both the voice and that
18:38:44 Kamuela: kakobrekla: it was me, but i've had that domain for years and years (previously) and some of the older stuff definitely reflects being 11 years old!
18:40:35 TheNewDeal: is moiety ded?
18:41:53 kakobrekla: TheNewDeal she left for undetermined amounts of t-matter.
18:42:31 TomServo: TheNewDeal: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-08-2014#788458
18:42:31 assbot: Logged on 10-08-2014 11:09:36; moiety: I really didn't know what to say yesterday but I've had time to think now. I will leave the phone line on for the remainder of the term when I can and update the blog but I won't be able to be on IRC. Since I won't be on IRC anymore, if there is anything I should really know, please leave a message on skype or the blog. The reasons being, this isn't working out for me and I need to focus on working to keep
18:42:52 TomServo: Woah, that's new right?
18:43:12 kakobrekla: it sez right there, Logged on 10-08-2014 11:09:36
18:43:38 TomServo: I mean assbot quoting the actual log entry
18:43:45 kakobrekla: a.
18:43:54 kakobrekla: 2 days.
18:44:04 TomServo: Cool.
18:44:05 BingoBoingo: Guess who just had the Feds knock on their door!
18:44:22 kakobrekla: lol
18:44:26 kakobrekla: did you give them cookies?
18:45:58 BingoBoingo: Nah, Just let them in on all of my nothing I knew about a connection they suspected between DBordello's BTCPack and The Silk Road
18:45:59 TomServo: Or Gin and Tonic at least?
18:46:12 BingoBoingo: Nope, we stood in the front yard and talked
18:46:23 BingoBoingo: In the heat
18:47:22 kakobrekla: SR, really?
18:47:24 kakobrekla: still ?
18:47:29 BingoBoingo: I tried to explain the stupid Devcoin thing I used to get Bitcoins.
18:47:39 BingoBoingo: Yes, asking about the Silk Road
18:47:54 Duffer1: did they ask about your own bitcoin holdings?
18:47:58 Duffer1: or was it all SR?
18:48:27 BingoBoingo: It was all TSR and possible connections between it and BTCPak
18:48:51 TheNewDeal: going to have to look up this btcpak
18:49:06 Duffer1: yea never heard of that one
18:49:12 BingoBoingo: It was a site, you send Bitcoin they sent prepaid reload codes.
18:49:41 BingoBoingo: DBordello ran it
18:49:53 BingoBoingo: At the time CoinBase wasn't a thing I'd heard of
18:51:08 Duffer1: i wonder what makes them believe there's a connection
18:51:16 BingoBoingo: It was an Pasty Irish FBI agent who didn't want to stand in the sun and a Treasury agent
18:51:33 BingoBoingo: Duffer1: They said because it looks so anonymous.
18:51:42 Duffer1: .......
18:51:49 TheNewDeal: what the hell does that mean?
18:52:14 *: BingoBoingo is thankful he managed to avoid the whole Silk Road thing.
18:52:18 Duffer1: american enforcement mentality
18:52:32 Duffer1: black guy in hoody in winter? lets search him
18:52:44 TheNewDeal: looks anonymous!
18:52:49 BingoBoingo: Hi Agent Broachwala and/or your colleagues!
18:53:07 TheNewDeal: did they mean it looks Anonymous?
18:53:18 Duffer1: ohh
18:54:14 BingoBoingo: Seriously the kept saying suggesting everything in the Bitcoin was shady Tor related stuff.
18:54:33 BingoBoingo: Black Markets and all that.
18:55:04 TheNewDeal: if we can't trace it exactly... it's gotta be underground
18:55:53 BingoBoingo: They were like no one uses Bitcoin actually at Overstock.com ; I'm like... actually I totally bought a watch and some other shit http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/01/13/overstock-com-prolly-not-a-scam/
18:55:55 assbot: Overstock.com: Prolly not a scam | Bingo Blog
18:56:20 TheNewDeal: did they give you a decent exchange rate
18:56:49 Duffer1: i bought a handmade spalted mable/bubinga keepsake box for bitcoin on saturday
18:56:58 BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: BTCPak was kind of a Gyp, but at the time it was the only thing that really.... Seemed reliable
18:57:09 BingoBoingo: Without taking days.
18:58:11 TheNewDeal: gotcha
18:58:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27631 @ 0.00064393 = 17.7924 BTC [+]
18:58:20 BingoBoingo: The seemed so fucking incredulous that I with my unkempt hair and beard, could have somehow not used the silk road
18:59:32 BingoBoingo: !up mike_c
19:01:05 TheNewDeal: it's true, all unkempt hair & bearders at one time used the silk road
19:01:21 TheNewDeal: !up kamuela
19:03:22 *: BingoBoingo did not spot where they had a actually parked their Gasenwagen
19:06:38 Kamuela: TheNewDeal: thank you
19:07:01 TheNewDeal: everybody gets one
19:08:04 BingoBoingo: These agents apparently came all the way down from fucking Peoria, the one's card says.
19:08:30 BingoBoingo: ARE THERE NO FBI OR TREASURY AGENTS IN ST LOUIS.
19:09:08 BingoBoingo: They were prolly so insistent because it would suck to be them and drive all of the way down here to meet with a person as boring as myself.
19:09:46 TheNewDeal: hahaha
19:09:56 TheNewDeal: we're SURE you're more eccentric
19:10:28 BingoBoingo: !up mike_c_on_the_ro
19:10:34 mike_c_on_the_ro: thanks.
19:10:54 BingoBoingo: I'm like if you want to talk shady sports betting sites that ran with user money... I know a couple. Fucking bitcoinsports.eu
19:10:58 mike_c_on_the_ro: mod6:;;later tell mike_c need help with WoL << what can I do you for?
19:11:25 ben_vulpes: <gribble> Rating entry successful. Your rating for user danielpbarron has changed from 8 to -1. << now that's nuts. 8 to -1? you people need to move more slowly with your ratings.
19:11:48 mike_c_on_the_ro: ;;seen mod6
19:11:49 gribble: mod6 was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 45 minutes and 40 seconds ago: <mod6> ;;seen moiety
19:12:10 mod6: check on game 700
19:12:26 mike_c_on_the_ro: goddamnit. ok, will do.
19:12:37 mod6: heh, no worries. just a heads up from this weekend.
19:13:03 BingoBoingo: The shitty thing about the ordeal on them asking about the goddamned Silk Road I didn't use was their knocking woke me up from my day-slumber
19:13:17 mike_c_on_the_ro: just frustrating, i thought i had that fixed.
19:13:37 BingoBoingo: So I'm looking like a fucking sweaty unkempt hobo meeting with these guys in the front lawn.
19:21:15 BingoBoingo: Really weird thing was the Agents suggesting that I'd never expect them to find me. I DON"T WORK THAT HARD TO KEEP ANONYMOUS. I just do the minimum to keep poor kids in shitholes from harassing me into giving them money.
19:22:47 TheNewDeal: love it
19:23:27 BingoBoingo: My impression of them before the badges cam out was they might be process servers come to harass me over student load debt.
19:23:32 BingoBoingo: *loan
19:24:51 mike_c_on_the_ro: you going to immortalize them in a blog post?
19:25:17 mike_c_on_the_ro: !t m s.mpoe
19:25:18 assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00062893 / 0.00063788 / 0.00064393 (698020 shares, 445.26 BTC), 7D: 0.00062821 / 0.00065441 / 0.00070855 (4353254 shares, 2,848.85 BTC), 30D: 0.00062821 / 0.00076768 / 0.00094217 (18927544 shares, 14,530.40 BTC)
19:25:32 BingoBoingo: mike_c_on_the_ro: Prolly. After I take a shower.
19:25:39 BingoBoingo: I was fucking hot outside.
19:27:59 thestringpuller: !last m s.mpoe
19:27:59 assbot: Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.00064393 BTC [+]
19:31:49 BingoBoingo: Also Hollywood lied. The FBI agent was wearing a black business suit, but instead a white polo and khakis.
19:34:49 *: BingoBoingo wonders how much time they will invest in trying to figure out the Devcoin thing
19:39:51 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
19:39:57 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 504.44, vol: 5556.89140818 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 501.451, vol: 2201.41425 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 502.45, vol: 7039.32678866 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 532.99, vol: 13.94734986 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 500.452875, vol: 14642.32000000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 516.11742, vol: 27.56 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 515.885399987, vol: 28.27053224 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
19:57:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 68 @ 0.01173226 = 0.7978 BTC [+] {5}
19:58:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 86 @ 0.01175 = 1.0105 BTC [+]
20:01:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15078 @ 0.00064715 = 9.7577 BTC [+] {2}
20:02:34 thestringpuller: ;;later tell tylander sup
20:02:34 gribble: The operation succeeded.
20:03:30 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: taleb << asciilifeform of course, who else?
20:03:58 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: guy's what, 60 by now ? << born 1960 it seems
20:05:26 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lol, you read Kvant ?!?! << who is this man, what sort of devil is he?
20:06:27 assbot: How I was wrong : Cuckolding, or a story about sigmas pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
20:07:24 pete_dushenski: decimation: asciilifeform: "it pattern-matches 'derp' and throws my concentration" << yeah I have the same experience. << you gents need better filters!
20:08:07 thestringpuller: ;;google GTA V original music
20:08:07 gribble: The Music of Grand Theft Auto V - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Music_of_Grand_Theft_Auto_V; Grand Theft Auto V soundtrack - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Theft_Auto_V_soundtrack; The Music of Grand Theft Auto V: Three Volume Digital Album Now ...: (1 more message)
20:08:55 thestringpuller: Damn i need to play this game again
20:09:20 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: decimation so taleb's mistake is that he's being a BANAL asshole ? << he does get a lot of the "o this is nothing new" retort
20:12:46 pete_dushenski: xanthyos: ;;rate danielpbarron -1 fickle with his friends, uses the bible to justify being disloyal << o_O drama
20:13:22 Duffer1: Amazon aquired Twitch
20:13:37 mike_c_on_the_ro: mod6: fixed.. going to dig into root cause when I get home. sorry for the hiccup.
20:13:48 mod6: no prob! thanks!
20:14:07 assbot: Black Market Cannabis Road Hacked, $100,000 in Bitcoin Lost
20:14:11 jborkl: :/
20:14:22 jborkl: really come on now
20:14:55 thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: there is a saying: Loyalty to the End do you know what it means?
20:15:24 pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: sure
20:18:25 jborkl: oh, they were hit by the 1cat burglar
20:18:46 jborkl: not to be mistaken with the 1 ham burglar
20:21:22 jurov: re: melting Si - can't the purified Si monocrystal substrate reused to make another IC? asciilifeform what do you think?
20:21:32 jurov: *be
20:22:52 kakobrekla: well, given enough energy everything can be made into anything
20:22:53 thestringpuller: i shouldn't have said specifically Si, but more like the gold and silver also stored in the IC's
20:23:25 pete_dushenski: Kamuela: you also need to solve the problem of "what is Bitcoin useful for" << classic. like SDRs should buy tacos nao
20:24:28 thestringpuller: ;;ud SDR
20:24:29 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=SDR | An abbreviation meaning stop, drop and roll. Used to comment on pictures that are particularly hot. "Woah, sdr coz u look hot!" by deldo July 11, 2008. 5 4. Merch .
20:24:40 thestringpuller: not thinking that's the right one
20:24:45 thestringpuller: thinking*
20:25:35 TomServo: special drawing rights
20:25:43 pete_dushenski: Kamuela: why am i the one? because i'm committed to keeping it useful for people as far as it can be taken. i'm not looking to grow and sell out. my interests are aligned with keeping it one of the most decentralized ways to act in the BTC economy << "committed" is in no way a skill as it's here presented any more than a grade school student is committed to not getting an F.
20:26:03 pete_dushenski: Kamuela: not looking to sell out? 1) why not? 2) tough thing to prove
20:26:24 pete_dushenski: at least he came to the right place
20:27:29 kakobrekla: not too long ago someone pasted how its more about location than your cast.
20:28:36 pete_dushenski: kakobrekla: the selling out bit or the committed bit?
20:28:56 TomServo: !up Kamuela
20:28:59 kakobrekla: the right pace bit :D
20:29:03 Kamuela: thank you TomServo
20:29:04 kakobrekla: place*
20:29:52 Kamuela: pete_dushenski: who else is committed? have you heard of another project to do this? i'd be both willing to contribute and cease competitive efforts if you could point me in that direction
20:30:35 Kamuela: and a better question would be: why would I be crowdfunding if i didn't see marginal success somewhere else? it's usually cheaper to get funding within your own circle
20:31:01 Kamuela: far from being combative, i'm looking to understand where you're coming from
20:31:14 Kamuela: it must be that every member of ethereum has a long history of proven success right?
20:32:09 Kamuela: many less tangible projects have gotten ridiculous levels of funding, and i am DOING the legwork to make this happen. so when you ask what qualifies me, well, it's because i'm the guy DOING something
20:32:19 Kamuela: because i'm the guy here asking
20:32:22 kakobrekla: funny you mention ethereum.
20:32:38 Kamuela: yeah maybe it's a bad thing to mention, i don't want to be lumped into that "ether"
20:32:40 kakobrekla: !s chumpatron
20:32:41 assbot: 99 results for 'chumpatron' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=chumpatron
20:32:41 *: BingoBoingo was kind of disappointed that the Feds addressed me by my slave name
20:33:10 TomServo: BingoBoingo: I would've been thrilled if they used Atruk instead of BingoBoingo. :P
20:33:25 ThickAsThieves: http://www.cnet.com/news/amazon-to-buy-live-stream-gaming-site-twitch/ poor Twitch, not even worth an Instagram
20:33:27 assbot: Amazon to buy live-stream gaming site Twitch for $970M - CNET
20:33:56 TomServo: Wow. Bezos stole'd it.
20:34:02 assbot: A Guide To Buying 5000 Ether/Bitcoin, 2.5x More Than Ethereum's Genesis Sale Offers | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski
20:34:21 punkman: BingoBoingo: did they say "BingoBoingo" at any point?
20:34:22 ThickAsThieves: twitch accepts bitcoin, so now youll see "Amazon adding Bitcoin" on reddit for 2 days
20:34:31 ThickAsThieves: watch this fuck up my short...
20:34:34 pete_dushenski: Kamuela: it must be that every member of ethereum has a long history of proven success right? << it must be nothing of the sort and is in fact quite that
20:34:56 pete_dushenski: but read the ethereum piece
20:34:59 punkman: he was going for sarcasm ^
20:35:29 BingoBoingo: punkman: no
20:35:46 Kamuela: I was indeed being sarcastic
20:35:49 BingoBoingo: TomServo: They asked for my forum name and I gave it to them after some reluctance
20:35:51 pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo was kind of disappointed that the Feds addressed me by my slave name << lmao
20:36:23 pete_dushenski: Kamuela: either way, there's really no rush to get your idea off the ground
20:36:51 pete_dushenski: to do it well, you'd be well served to get in the wot and spend the next 6-12 months reading every line of logs and getting to know the people around here
20:36:52 Kamuela: well, I'll ftfy: "either way, there's really no rush for I, pete_dushenski, to help get your idea off the ground"
20:37:05 punkman: Kamuela, having some experience in the matter, I'd recommend against copying the odesks and the elances
20:37:16 Kamuela: punkman: how so?
20:37:28 Kamuela: punkman: not necessarily your experience, but i mean what are you recommending against in particular
20:37:46 punkman: just take everythign they do, and do it the opposite way
20:37:47 pete_dushenski: brb
20:37:53 punkman: that might work
20:37:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1640 @ 0.00068997 = 1.1316 BTC [-] {3}
20:38:01 Kamuela: punkman: lmao, i don't exactly follow
20:38:58 Kamuela: certainly as a competitor to existing odesk businesses, the project will shape itself around the interests of its customers. but what initially or conceptually is wrong with the odesk style?
20:39:08 punkman: everything
20:39:33 Kamuela: for example, it seems so far from my interviews that something people really like is the guaranteed payment... something that this project would NOT be offering for at least a while. it certainly would not be part of the MVP
20:40:22 Kamuela: of course that's a bit of laziness on the part of vetting your customer, but i understand that what i call laziness other people call serving needs, which I completely respect the need to do
20:44:41 ThickAsThieves: people always enjoy promises that cant be kept
20:45:57 TomServo: Pff. Schneier says "Matthew Green has a good post on what's wrong with PGP and what should be done about it." (with link of course)
20:46:09 TomServo: First comment: Did you have to fight the urge to call it a "pretty good post"?
20:47:01 punkman: ThickAsThieves: it'd be nice if there was someone playing matchmaker, vetting both sides, guaranteeing whatever he can afford to
20:47:07 punkman: don't even need a website
20:47:21 ThickAsThieves: well agents arent cheap
20:47:33 ThickAsThieves: nor sclable
20:47:33 punkman: odesk takes 10%
20:47:37 ThickAsThieves: scalable
20:47:54 Kamuela: and offers no escrow
20:47:58 punkman: don't need to scale
20:48:15 Kamuela: and addresses an $80 mil market
20:48:31 ThickAsThieves: surely bigger than $80m no?
20:48:34 Kamuela: with inferior financial technology
20:49:05 ThickAsThieves: "Cops found this wanted Nebraska man after he posted his Ice Bucket Challenge on Facebook."
20:50:27 Kamuela: the first couple thousand users on a Bitcoin-powered odesk are going to be BTC enthusiasts and folks looking to play around, meaning a release valve for pent-up demand for use of coins, and of course a dedicated following of people who want to try to make supplemental or full-time income doing btc freelance work
20:50:49 Kamuela: but after that there's a real competitive advantage to 10% and a couple days turn around time and <10% and 1 hour turnaround
20:51:26 Kamuela: especially when you factor in the fact that a bunch of the initial contractors are going to underprice in an attempt to gain customers, there's a real value proposition to a competing network
20:51:49 Kamuela: and odesk "just accepting Bitcoin" is a bigger deal with any real thought
20:52:06 Kamuela: meaning there's a whole lot of inertia to fight to make that happen
20:52:39 Kamuela: and how are they going to address a cheaper and lower-hassle competitor even with Bitcoin? will they openly say jobs paid in bitcoin are discounted? i don't think they could do that
20:53:07 Kamuela: ThickAsThieves: I don't know about the actual total market, but just odesk takes in $80mm
20:55:04 ThickAsThieves: isnt someone already working on this?
20:55:13 ThickAsThieves: Hearn, Popescu, etc
20:55:14 punkman: there's a few dozens of them
20:55:51 punkman: Kamuela, I think your plan is to make it prettier and with more javascripts?
20:57:43 Kamuela: there's a real potential to help me out in one way or another, but isn't it boring to make words and contribute nothing?
20:58:13 punkman: you can help yourself by reading teh logs
20:58:33 Kamuela: i don't mind the real questions, kakobrekla addressed a serious point of "who are you?" that's a real question that has to be answered
20:58:34 nubbins`: ;;view 21349
20:58:36 gribble: #21349 Mon Aug 25 13:40:55 2014 nubbins` SELL 1.0 'What is Bitcoin?' silkscreened art print @ 35 USD (18x24", limited edition of 45 available to public, 4-color silkscreen print on acid-free paper, pre-order price only. Shipping week of August 31.)
20:58:48 Duffer1: b-a are generally firm believers in the Eddy Murphie method of help
20:59:05 Kamuela: Eddy or charlie?
20:59:14 ThickAsThieves: Kamuela is asking for help?
20:59:14 Duffer1: er charlie right :P
20:59:17 Kamuela: Haha
20:59:24 ThickAsThieves: !up Kamuela
20:59:26 Kamuela: Meaning breaking my legs for learning
20:59:29 Kamuela: :P
20:59:31 kakobrekla: Kamuela that linkedin isnt much to go by.
20:59:35 TomServo: nubbins`: Is there a photo or sample of the poster?
20:59:40 Kamuela: kakobrekla: totally agreed
21:00:11 Kamuela: perhaps i'll have to be my own silent partner
21:00:19 punkman: lol
21:00:26 nubbins`: TomServo: i'm printing them this week, i do have a digital proof but i'd rather show off pictures of the actual silkscreened version. pics to follow, but you're buying blind if you pre-order ;)
21:01:07 Kamuela: because my connections at differential and the team there represent about 50 years of combined success in MVP's
21:01:11 nubbins`: price will probably be 40-45 once they're all printed, signed, numbered, and pictures taken
21:01:23 Kamuela: so if i found a way to make them shine i'd probably get farther along
21:01:36 TomServo: nubbins`: Cool thanks. I'll wait to see it.
21:02:10 *: nubbins` tips hat
21:02:13 nubbins`: it's gonna be a beaut
21:03:48 TheNewDeal: nubbins` can you pm me a digital version/
21:04:09 nubbins`: no sneak peeks :)
21:04:21 TheNewDeal: bah
21:04:51 TheNewDeal: I do like your work from what I've seen, but I haven't the slightest clue about this one
21:04:55 nubbins`: all i got is testimonials:
21:04:57 nubbins`: [00:13:41] <mircea_popescu> ok this rocks.
21:05:06 TheNewDeal: he got a sneak peak?
21:05:18 mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal his latest work was quite lovely.
21:05:23 nubbins`: he bought 50, he gets a sneak peek ;)
21:05:31 mircea_popescu: X-Rob want the same address used each week ?
21:05:32 TheNewDeal: haha I guess that may be fair
21:05:51 TheNewDeal: if I give you a zip code can you figure out shipping costs?
21:05:53 X-Rob: mircea_popescu: yes, please, I was going to remind you about that. Need to figure out the discount though.
21:06:14 TomServo: TheNewDeal: Mind if I PM?
21:06:14 mircea_popescu: just keep em running.
21:06:38 X-Rob: 1xrobauEmhLwVnTmLbs6M92n1xGFAFbgq is the address
21:06:46 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: its an exercise to alert reader. << ahh
21:06:50 nubbins`: TheNewDeal: totally. probably somewhere in the $20-ish range as a guess
21:07:02 TheNewDeal: you can pm me all you want bb ;)
21:07:27 TheNewDeal: so 20+35 pre order price?
21:08:44 mircea_popescu: Kamuela: briefly, a bitcoin work market a la odesk. development team ready << well, the thing is this : we;ve been wanting something like this built for about a year. finding someone to do it is hard, however, and moreover i won't support a would be ceo on op's work. i'd rather deal with the coder guy directly.
21:09:15 nubbins`: TheNewDeal yeah. buy with a friend to save on shipping ;D
21:09:22 mircea_popescu: half the value of b-a is taking the entire layer of would-be ceos out of business completely, as there's nothing really they can usefully contribute.
21:10:32 TheNewDeal: nubbins what would it be for 2+shipping?
21:11:21 nubbins`: no extra cost, it's just paper, so 70+20
21:12:20 TheNewDeal: no frameage?
21:12:28 *: nubbins` shakes head
21:12:36 nubbins`: framing it locally would be the sensible option
21:12:45 nubbins`: otherwise you're paying to ship a piece of glass across the continent :D
21:12:51 TheNewDeal: gotcha
21:13:36 TheNewDeal: whens the downpayment due?
21:13:40 nubbins`: you can even get em plaque-mounted, i've seen people do that
21:13:47 nubbins`: this coming friday
21:15:18 TheNewDeal: i say i say
21:15:29 TheNewDeal: how long does that stuff take to ship ya think?
21:16:16 mircea_popescu: https://btc.waroflife.com/gow/27/ << interesting bet calculator thingee mike added
21:16:16 assbot: Game 27 - Death 3686 Life 6314 Year 824 - War of Life
21:16:29 TheNewDeal: I actually like that
21:16:53 TheNewDeal: did he do it because of my horrible betting in game 26?
21:16:55 Kamuela: mircea_popescu: you seriously just said that?
21:17:00 mircea_popescu: Kamuela yes.
21:17:04 Kamuela: if you're working with them directly, doesn't that make you CEO?
21:17:10 Kamuela: have you contributed nothing useful?
21:17:19 Kamuela: all you just said was "hey same concept, but let me start it"
21:17:23 mircea_popescu: only in a very distant sort of manner. not in the traditional sense the term is used.
21:17:25 TheNewDeal: I thought he was the funding
21:17:59 mircea_popescu: Kamuela no, it wasn't "let me start it". it was "let the coder start it, and run it"
21:18:18 Kamuela: mircea_popescu: the coder doesn't want to do that. the coder wants to run a development shop
21:18:24 mircea_popescu: if i wanted to "start it" i'd have started it in 2012. but i don't, because i can't nor should i do everything.
21:18:28 Kamuela: are you anti-capitalist? seems like you're running counter to specialization and trade
21:18:31 mircea_popescu: well then fuck him, he can go die in a fire.
21:18:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.0006438 = 7.1462 BTC [-] {2}
21:18:45 mircea_popescu: need a better coder, which simply means ~actual~ one.
21:18:48 Kamuela: you're asking for a CEO
21:19:00 Kamuela: you just want it to be the build crew as well
21:19:00 mircea_popescu: im running counter to some very particular, bad implementations of capitalism.
21:19:07 mircea_popescu: this being a recurring discussion these days it seems.
21:19:20 Kamuela: are you the type who thinks that
21:19:27 Kamuela: Apple would have been a better company without steve jobs
21:19:32 Kamuela: that he contributed nothing
21:19:33 mircea_popescu: but anyway : specialisation is not a good thing just for the mere fact that it's specialisation.
21:19:45 mircea_popescu: jobs was not the ceo in the sense you use the term.
21:20:19 Kamuela: CEO's contribute vision, investor and customer relations, executive decisions, accountability, etc. could all of these things be "in-sourced," sure, and they are in a lot of cases
21:20:19 punkman: "Specialization is for insects"
21:20:29 Kamuela: punkman: Heinlein
21:20:46 mircea_popescu: Kamuela you know you're just calling it "vision" to avoid saying "ceo is the guy who wants money for nothing and thinks this wil wash"
21:20:58 mircea_popescu: there's no value in "ideas" and rebranding them as "vision" won't wash.
21:21:05 mircea_popescu: money comes through work.
21:21:15 Kamuela: who says i'm asking for money?
21:21:25 Kamuela: i'm asking for capital
21:21:28 mircea_popescu: asking is not the problem.
21:21:56 Kamuela: i don't make money on a crowdfund, this is completely development and marketing runway
21:22:00 mircea_popescu: what i'm trying to impart to you is that this "take capital from idiots of type A and labour from idiots of type B" that silicon valley was built upon is dead in the water.
21:22:01 mircea_popescu: i
21:22:02 mircea_popescu: i
21:22:04 mircea_popescu: damn.
21:22:08 TheNewDeal: but MP, don't you remember the cyperpunks thought up PGP before it was implemented?!?!
21:22:15 mircea_popescu: i'll support the idiots of type b directly tyvm
21:22:27 TheNewDeal: they had the power to think, and not do
21:22:31 mircea_popescu: and that means the only way you'll be able to give them a worse deal is for as long as this elephant in the room stays secret.
21:22:40 mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal right right.
21:22:46 nubbins`: TheNewDeal: about a week-ish to ship
21:23:02 Kamuela: the thing is, if it were easy for builders and maintainers to be owners and operators, it'd be the rule instead of the exception
21:23:09 Kamuela: there isn't some mass scheme of exploitation going on
21:23:22 Kamuela: it's a rational choice between employment and entrepreneurship
21:23:24 mircea_popescu: it only isn't the rule because up until now there didn't exist this chan, and this ideology.
21:23:37 mircea_popescu: it will be the rule within your lifetime toh.
21:23:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22500 @ 0.00064572 = 14.5287 BTC [+]
21:25:09 Kamuela: so what will happen in my lifetime, you're saying, is that the profit motive will go away, all marginal cost will go to marginal benefit, and unicorns will come back from extinction
21:25:33 mircea_popescu: Kamuela no. i say that within your lifetime, you'll starve with this model of trying to ceo that i perceive you're trying to impl;ement
21:25:47 Kamuela: even if we are all managed by artificial intelligence, that artificial intelligence is still the capitalist
21:25:48 mircea_popescu: much like you'd have starved cca 1920 trying to be a buggy manufacturer.
21:27:22 Kamuela: something for nothing is what drives the world. it's what causes both its prosperity and its problems
21:27:41 mircea_popescu: Kamuela approach it from another angle, perhaps it's more digestible that way. suppose the worker's work was no good. you know this because the code doesn't compile. suppose the capital's no good. you know this because the check bounces.
21:27:48 mircea_popescu: now suppose your "vision" is no good.
21:27:58 Kamuela: i understand trying to eliminate that, but i think that will be done through solving information asymmetry rather than through eliminating... ideas?
21:28:00 mircea_popescu: you can'rt ever know this, can you ? that means you're not part of the pie, not adding value.
21:28:28 mircea_popescu: not eliminating ideas, but the brand of "ideas", or whatever it reforms as. this concept that one's personally important for no reason whatsoever.
21:28:33 mircea_popescu: "i thought of it first!!11" or w/e.
21:29:36 Kamuela: so... because i want to organize a bunch of people who don't know each other, because i interview potential customers, because i will continue to direct operations of both the MVP and later pivots, I am contributing "nothing?"
21:29:37 mircea_popescu: none of this is to say you personally are a bad guy or anything.
21:29:42 Kamuela: You're getting arbitrary and it's almost disrespectful
21:29:47 Kamuela: you act like i'm just trying to take something to a patent office
21:29:54 mircea_popescu: !up Kamuela
21:30:09 Kamuela: i acknowledge i didn't think of it first
21:30:15 Kamuela: and i'm not trying to cash in on that
21:30:18 mircea_popescu: don't get all bristly lol. anyway : there's tools to organize all that, use 'em.
21:30:32 Kamuela: well let's put it this way
21:30:44 Kamuela: i'm a manager
21:30:51 mircea_popescu: irl you mean ?
21:30:59 jborkl: good afternoon
21:31:05 Kamuela: in this project, and that's not some kind of a euphemism
21:31:12 Kamuela: i have to manage the programming team every day
21:31:19 mircea_popescu: you ever been a manager irl ?
21:31:27 mircea_popescu: ello jborkl
21:31:36 Kamuela: for brief positions of over 1700 employees actually yes
21:31:57 mircea_popescu: okay. so you know what an office manger is. sorta like a glorified receptionist, hires the cleanning crew, takes a weekly salary.
21:32:09 Kamuela: you're looking at me and saying that my skill in knowing how to accomplish EVERYTHING involved but simply not DOING everything involved is meaningless
21:32:24 mircea_popescu: pretty much, yeah.
21:32:31 mircea_popescu: i also know how the plumber should fix the pipes.
21:32:47 Kamuela: so do it yourself
21:32:49 mircea_popescu: i guess i could be the plumber's manager for as long as i stfu and don't go much in the way.
21:32:52 Kamuela: or you live a meaningless life
21:32:55 Kamuela: according to your own logic
21:33:10 mircea_popescu: as far as plumbing is concerned, i'm a negligible entity.
21:33:14 jurov: Kamuela, 90% of freelancer is web scraping and php plodding stuff. You can't combine this model with bitcoin economy, it needs something fundamentally else at this stage.
21:33:26 Kamuela: so if a task requires more than yourself, are you actually saying that hiring someone is being some kind of lazy ass
21:33:33 jborkl: yeah, or you are just me
21:33:37 mircea_popescu: Kamuela no, but you're welcome to that strawman if you wish.
21:33:48 Kamuela: mircea_popescu: how is that a strawman?
21:33:56 Kamuela: i have preplanned the MVP
21:34:02 Kamuela: i have design work done
21:34:15 Kamuela: and yet having the build done by a team that's better and uses time more effectively than i can
21:34:16 mircea_popescu: you have design done pre-product ?
21:34:19 Kamuela: is suddenly wrong in one person's eyes
21:34:26 mircea_popescu: this is like having painted the wall of the unbuilt house innit ?
21:34:47 Kamuela: no, this is like ensuring a house doesn't fall down by having blueprints drawn up before you put the pieces together
21:34:57 Kamuela: sorry, a 0-value activity
21:34:58 Kamuela: lol
21:35:16 mircea_popescu: o you don't mean what is normally meant by design online, ie, drawing up mockups of webpages. do you ?
21:35:28 Kamuela: you're just a little bit of a marxist... that's cool... i mean, i don't prefer it, but you are welcome to your own opinion
21:35:35 mircea_popescu: you designed, as in, software architecture. db models and whatnot. tho you don't code ?
21:35:40 X-Rob: mircea_popescu: I think it's fair, looking at the outage, if you just make it 0.2 rather than 0.22 for this week.
21:35:45 Kamuela: who told you i didn't code?
21:36:12 mircea_popescu: X-Rob im not going to bother with a coupla cents, just make sure the thing stays online.
21:36:31 mircea_popescu: Kamuela im just sorta following along. do you ?
21:37:06 Kamuela: well another way I'm contributing, I suppose, is moving resources to their highest valued use
21:37:14 mircea_popescu: how would you know ?
21:37:33 Kamuela: and mine may not be foregoing seeking a project's funding by getting into a pseudo-intellectual marxist debate
21:37:42 mircea_popescu: myeah. point in case i guess.
21:38:24 mircea_popescu: Current
21:38:25 mircea_popescu: Chief Executive Officer at Coin SEO
21:38:25 mircea_popescu: Past
21:38:25 mircea_popescu: Chief Idealist at KamuelaFranco.com
21:38:25 mircea_popescu: Administrative Clerk at US Census Bureau
21:38:28 mircea_popescu: o you have GOT to be kidding me.
21:38:30 Kamuela: look, doing for the sake of doing. just expressing. building. being steve wozniak. it's beautiful and i completely agree with you
21:38:42 mircea_popescu: nah, this convo is over, srsly.
21:38:50 jurov: what's pseudointellectual in asking you to show the world the MVP before asking anyone anything?
21:38:52 Kamuela: you accuse me of strawman, and what did you just do?
21:39:10 Kamuela: bring up a character assessment based on your perception
21:39:19 Kamuela: at least hold yourself to the same standard
21:39:48 mircea_popescu: mkay.
21:39:58 mircea_popescu: Past : simpleminded psychotic. Currently, cult leader.
21:40:49 Kamuela: i apologize for not knowing all the terms, but you are committing the fallacy known as "name-calling"
21:40:55 Kamuela: may be ad hominem, not sure
21:41:16 Kamuela: though i suppose no one agreed this was a debate. you're just talking
21:41:36 Kamuela: contributing, i suppose. although not by your own measure. but by mine for sure
21:41:57 jborkl: mircea- some interesting stats top 10 visits us,ca,hk,nl,au,by,gb,fr,de,ru,cn
21:42:02 Kamuela: you're making me realize, for example, that the road to finish this is an uphill one
21:42:02 BingoBoingo: <Kamuela> may be ad hominem, not sure << Every label sounds like an ad hominem unless you have read and digested the historical context.
21:42:18 jborkl: all the ones from france are probably pankaake
21:42:44 X-Rob: mircea_popescu: I do TRY to keep it online. I just feel bad for that outage. The good news is that in that outage I rebuilt both power distribution boards, so hopefully it shouldn't be needed again.
21:42:44 penguirker: New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/bitcoin-pool-discus-fish-swims-past-ghash-io-1/
21:43:33 jborkl: Windows 73.3 % Linux 14.7 % Macintosh 9.5 %
21:44:15 Kamuela: but it's fine because value is subjective and i know that whatever i accomplish or don't accomplish won't need to be arbitrarily defined by you, mircea_popescu
21:44:50 jborkl: Google Chrome 53.7 % Firefox 35.8 % MS Internet Explorer 5.6 %
21:45:03 jborkl: no one uses the IE
21:45:18 jborkl: really, it is so great
21:46:28 jborkl: and I get more traffic from Yandex than Bing
21:49:07 jborkl: oh and the Orangecat post did very poor, so maybe I needed a picture of a funny cat
21:49:26 BingoBoingo: jborkl: Or a more unique cat
21:49:40 danielpbarron: ;;echo Kamuela, you need to be defined in the WoT in order to accomplish something [eregister]
21:49:41 gribble: Kamuela, you need to be defined in the WoT in order to accomplish something (eregister <nick> <keyid>) -- Register your GPG identity, associating GPG key <keyid> with <nick>. <keyid> is a 16 digit key id, with or without the '0x' prefix. We look on servers listed in 'plugins.GPG.keyservers' config. You will be given a link to a page which contains a one time password encrypted with (1 more message)
21:49:42 jborkl: yes, I got something wrong there
21:53:37 mircea_popescu: Kamuela wouldja simmer down.
21:54:39 pete_dushenski: "Korean bitcoin exchange Korbit has raised $3 million in Series A funding led by SoftBank Ventures Korea and Pantera Capital, with participation from BAM Ventures, and returning investors Bitcoin Opportunity Corp., Tim Draper, Pietro Dova, and Strong Ventures."
21:55:00 mircea_popescu: they're fucking quotes. the point here being that i comfortably define myself in the terms of the would-be insults various folk tried to tack on over the years. the years of me being and their coming and going. whereas you're stuck aspirationally trying to add labels to yourself. it's a fundamental difference at work.
21:55:18 mircea_popescu: jborkl i think everyone gets more traffic from yandex than bing.
21:55:26 Kamuela: well, I mean you attacked my philosophies, ideas, accomplishments, and character in about 20 nonstop minutes, man. i'm sorry i didn't pass another test of yours by remaining fully collected...
21:55:39 mircea_popescu: you're doing ok.
21:55:50 assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1D0V293.txt )
21:55:50 kakobrekla: !b 2
21:56:46 mircea_popescu: !s hey guise
21:56:46 assbot: 26 results for 'hey guise' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=hey+guise
21:58:07 mircea_popescu: odd, not i nthe logs even ?!
22:01:26 BingoBoingo: submission to /. of the LEX encounter blog post http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op=view&type=submission&id=3795013
22:01:28 assbot: Bitcoin User tells of Interview by FBI and Treasury Department - Slashdot
22:01:51 TheNewDeal: niiice
22:02:50 BingoBoingo: Well, it's submitted, have to hope it gets votes
22:03:22 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-09-2013#336698
22:03:23 assbot: Logged on 30-09-2013 19:34:06; zhenhua_wang: mircea_popescu: you are simple minded. sorry but your are a psychopathic
22:03:26 mircea_popescu: aha so it was labcoin
22:03:35 mircea_popescu: couldn't remember for the life of me wtf it was.
22:03:39 jborkl: dont worry Coindesk will puke up your post in about 5 minutes
22:04:12 mircea_popescu: jborkl no, that's someone else phishing as them.
22:05:17 assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2VEJ64B.txt )
22:05:17 BingoBoingo: !b 2
22:05:18 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo was btcpak the guy what's his name shrem was helping circumvent his aml or different guy ?
22:05:38 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Totally different guy. As far as I can tell he only ever bought Bitcoins
22:06:02 mircea_popescu: oh, dbordello's thing ?
22:06:09 BingoBoingo: Yeah, that one
22:06:09 mircea_popescu: ;;seen dbordello
22:06:09 gribble: dbordello was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 41 weeks, 6 days, 19 hours, 47 minutes, and 58 seconds ago: <DBordello> I agree
22:06:13 TheNewDeal: btcpak guy only purchased bitcoins huh?
22:08:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 89 @ 0.00916324 = 0.8155 BTC [-] {5}
22:09:29 jborkl: mircea_popescu> jborkl no, that's someone else phishing as them. ? who is that? I had someone email me from a service content runner, but I can write my own shitty stories full of typos
22:09:38 mircea_popescu: jborkl it's a joke.
22:09:45 jborkl: oh ok
22:09:46 mircea_popescu: earlier they sent an email spam blast which "wasn't them"
22:10:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 95 @ 0.01063998 = 1.0108 BTC [+] {6}
22:11:29 BingoBoingo: I guess this is a good time to remind people Van ads is a thing http://van-ads.com/venues if anyone want to bet on the story getting traction
22:11:30 assbot: Vulpes Ad Network
22:12:27 mircea_popescu: o look at this, so there's apparently a tv miniseries called roots built around delivering hot black male nudes in bondage ot the average housewife.
22:12:30 jborkl: 317452 26.73248134 <- big fee
22:12:30 mircea_popescu: smart.
22:12:38 TheNewDeal: hows van ads work?
22:15:47 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo "That think I've avoided and wrote about on this blog before. " << you hate the gspot or something ?
22:18:16 mircea_popescu: !up deadweasel
22:19:43 mircea_popescu: abathingape: kekeke << lulz. well, at least fatso had vision neh
22:20:54 mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal: is moiety ded? << i think irl ate her.
22:21:12 TheNewDeal: :(
22:22:19 mircea_popescu: Kamuela if you care, this is intensely dissonant : "Who Is Kamuela Franco? Kamuela Franco is perhaps the most intensely freedom-loving individual you will ever meet. If you've found Steve's work helpful, please donate to show your support."
22:22:58 mircea_popescu: a no longer online is it. nm.
22:22:59 TheNewDeal: nubbins` put me down for two
22:25:05 mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal is this how you buy assassinations with bitcoin now ?
22:25:33 TheNewDeal: no mp, that's always how I've purchased them
22:25:41 mircea_popescu: lol
22:26:04 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: still ? << you don't know how this works i take it. they'll be pulling on that thread in 2030. why drop it ?
22:26:17 kakobrekla: clearly i dont.
22:26:24 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Nice catch
22:26:34 kakobrekla: he is still online btw
22:26:39 kakobrekla: !up Kamuela
22:26:46 mircea_popescu: i just sent a ping and * dbordello :No such nick/channel
22:26:49 kakobrekla: a
22:26:53 kakobrekla: i thought . nvm
22:27:00 mircea_popescu: which i a pity rly, guy was kinda smart/sane.
22:27:15 kakobrekla: obv not?
22:27:20 mircea_popescu: a distinction enjoyed by shockingly few of the early birds.
22:27:43 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla i never got a druggie vibe off him. i mean who knows, but to me it seems a forced association.
22:28:09 kakobrekla: i wasnt implying druggie but using sr for whatever
22:28:14 mircea_popescu: maybe.
22:28:35 mircea_popescu: then again, the sec to this day pretends it got a settlement for s.dice, so...
22:28:44 kakobrekla: heh
22:28:44 TheNewDeal: lol
22:29:11 mircea_popescu: average streetwalker more respectable than any govt agent you pick.
22:29:25 Kamuela: mircea_popescu: ?
22:30:01 mircea_popescu: need
22:30:05 mircea_popescu: some words with that.
22:30:53 BingoBoingo: The agents got kind fo rude with their insisting I know something, but it wasn't quite Hannibal Lecter "free range rude" rude
22:31:55 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: Seriously the kept saying suggesting everything in the Bitcoin was shady Tor related stuff. << well what happens there is that they had a lot of early success just exploiting the geek idiocy. let the kids talk about how cool and anon and w/e it is.
22:32:07 Kamuela: mircea_popescu: you've only pinged me once in the last few moments of time, so i'm asking you both about what you meant by dissonant and what was wrong with that statement
22:32:09 mircea_popescu: sort-of like mentioning partying to a 15yo and letting them spill.
22:32:21 mircea_popescu: Kamuela a. well, who's steve.
22:32:26 Kamuela: mircea_popescu: also honestly i don't remember what that was in reference to, exactly lmao
22:32:53 Kamuela: oh, i know what you're talking about
22:33:03 mircea_popescu: Duffer1: i bought a handmade spalted mable/bubinga keepsake box for bitcoin on saturday << what the holy shit.
22:33:04 Kamuela: you're talking about my web site, and some copy
22:33:05 mircea_popescu: ;;ud bubinga
22:33:06 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Bubinga | 1. Bubinga. 1. A type of hard wood 2. A type of hard erection. "Man, I got the worst bubinga right now, you have no idea". by PenchantMarksman March 08, 2013.
22:33:44 mircea_popescu: Salted Marble Bubblegum should totally be a band.
22:34:14 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: The seemed so fucking incredulous that I with my unkempt hair and beard, could have somehow not used the silk road << it's not racial profiling if you're white :D
22:34:47 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Amazing isn't it.
22:34:57 mircea_popescu: great log lol.
22:35:05 mircea_popescu: anyway, you
22:35:27 mircea_popescu: 're slowly but surely becoming a fucking liability for your neighbourhood. every other week a new black jeep over there.
22:36:42 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: move more slowly << he's new.
22:38:11 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo if it's any consolation : while you were out on the lawn in the sun, i was indoors taking refuge from the chilly winter wind here.
22:38:24 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> 're slowly but surely becoming a fucking liability for your neighbourhood. every other week a new black jeep over there. << Reason to host conversation in the front yard, so the neighbors can gossip
22:38:33 mircea_popescu: went into one of the largest whorehouses. cordoba and 9 de julio. masquerades as a coffee place.
22:38:49 mircea_popescu: had a strawberry sundae.
22:39:23 BingoBoingo: Nice
22:39:40 TheNewDeal: did you know what it was, or were you just looking for ice cream?
22:41:00 BingoBoingo: !up ThickAsThieves
22:41:37 ThickAsThieves: thx
22:45:49 mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal i knew what it was, been there before.
22:46:21 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: Also Hollywood lied. The FBI agent was wearing a black business suit, but instead a white polo and khakis. << crisis, ya kno ?
22:46:35 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I guess
22:46:42 ThickAsThieves: IRS on the other hand is hiring some babes
22:47:19 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves you know the tax office workers here are fucking knockouts too ?
22:47:41 TheNewDeal: if the IRS sends a sexy woman to my door, I'm going to tell her I'm a part of the FBI - female body inspectors
22:47:42 mircea_popescu: what is it about hot women gravitating towards where people get assraped.
22:48:53 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller: i shouldn't have said specifically Si, but more like the gold and silver also stored in the IC's << gold melting point isn't tinny either.
22:48:59 mircea_popescu: CHECK OUT MY PUN EVERYONE!
22:50:43 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: watch this fuck up my short... << watch it making exactly no difference.
22:51:00 mircea_popescu: unless you're short on reddit words or something. and even then...
22:51:43 mircea_popescu: punkman: just take everythign they do, and do it the opposite way << word. shit's been run by george, of "every call i ever made was wrong" fame.
22:52:07 TheNewDeal: hears, "Tinny!" , *shrieks* and runs away
22:52:29 mircea_popescu: TomServo: Pff. Schneier says "Matthew Green << are you surprised ? if not, why not :D
22:53:04 mircea_popescu: it must suck to be one of these scum. if being one of the soviet scum is anything to go by... it must suck quite a lot.
22:54:39 assbot: San Francisco Open Exchange Aims To Be The E-Trade Of Bitcoin | TechCrunch
22:55:22 assbot: NY Bankruptcy Court Uses The Eddie Murphy Method Of Allocating Tax Returns
22:55:32 mircea_popescu: Duffer_ it's eddie murphy not eddy murphie :D
22:58:15 mircea_popescu: Kamuela: because my connections at differential and the team there represent about 50 years of combined success in MVP's << in this vein, the whores i sat down with for my sundae represent about fifty eight miles of combined cock.
22:58:38 mircea_popescu: and that's not counting the back and forth, nor the oral.
22:59:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4800 @ 0.00064379 = 3.0902 BTC [-]
23:03:07 TheNewDeal: !up RagnarsBitch
23:04:39 ThickAsThieves: <+mircea_popescu> watch it making exactly no difference. /// indeed!
23:05:02 ben_vulpes: <TheNewDeal> hows van ads work? << you sign up and pay bitcoin to run ads on a select group of venues.
23:06:03 mircea_popescu: factoid of the day : Singer Mel Torm? began his professional career singing with the Chico Marx Orchestra.
23:06:36 artifexd: !s X-Rob
23:06:36 assbot: 219 results for 'X-Rob' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=X-Rob
23:07:03 ben_vulpes: TheNewDeal: are you looking to buy some exposure to a thing?
23:07:05 *: X-Rob looks worried
23:07:10 ben_vulpes: for* a thing?
23:09:27 TheNewDeal: no I'm selling
23:09:43 TheNewDeal: unless of course you have a good deal
23:10:40 ben_vulpes: what are you selling now?
23:11:01 TheNewDeal: i'm not selling anything atm :D
23:11:27 TheNewDeal: might do it in 30 days or so
23:11:37 TheNewDeal: !up ThickAsThieves
23:11:45 TheNewDeal: ;;ident thinkasthieves
23:11:45 gribble: Error: I am not seeing this user on IRC. If you want information about a registered gpg user, try the 'gpg info' command instead.
23:11:50 TheNewDeal: ;;ident thickasthieves
23:11:50 gribble: Nick 'thickasthieves', with hostmask 'ThickAsThieves!~ThickAsTh@unaffiliated/thickasthieves', is not identified.
23:12:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5650 @ 0.00064379 = 3.6374 BTC [-]
23:13:13 mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal i'd be much surprised if you manage to get something less than a month old approved for van.
23:13:39 ThickAsThieves: just being lazy...
23:13:50 ThickAsThieves: distracted
23:15:08 mircea_popescu: And then there's the story that's fraught with disaster -- of balls that got caught, when a chap took a crap, in the woods. And that trap underneath... Oh, I can't bear the thought!
23:15:09 TheNewDeal: are you talking about vanity ads? I was just wondering what it was
23:15:21 mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal it's van ads.
23:16:11 TheNewDeal: ;;trust nubbins`
23:16:11 gribble: Error: "trust" is not a valid command.
23:16:19 TheNewDeal: ;;gettrust nubbins`
23:16:19 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask nubbins`!~leel@stjhnf0157w-142163082159.dhcp-dynamic.FibreOP.nl.bellaliant.net. Trust relationship from user TheNewDeal to user nubbins`: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 4 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=TheNewDeal&dest=nubbins%60 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=nubbins%60 | Rated since: Wed Oct 16 19:58:53 2013
23:17:48 nubbins`: ;;ident
23:17:48 gribble: Nick 'nubbins`', with hostmask 'nubbins`!~leel@stjhnf0157w-142163082159.dhcp-dynamic.FibreOP.nl.bellaliant.net', is identified as user 'nubbins`', with GPG key id CF2950F23C844002, key fingerprint 5015BD3D0AE659C8B8632F31CF2950F23C844002, and bitcoin address None
23:20:54 TheNewDeal: ;;calc 90/[ticker --last]
23:20:56 gribble: 0.179594117295
23:21:49 ben_vulpes: TheNewDeal: http://www.van-ads.com
23:22:02 TheNewDeal: what's the point?
23:22:13 TheNewDeal: oh
23:22:18 ben_vulpes: ;;gettrust jborkl
23:22:19 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user ben_vulpes to user jborkl: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=ben_vulpes&dest=jborkl | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=jborkl | Rated since: never
23:22:59 ben_vulpes: ;;ident jborkl
23:22:59 gribble: Error: I am not seeing this user on IRC. If you want information about a registered gpg user, try the 'gpg info' command instead.
23:23:19 ben_vulpes: not in wot?!!?
23:23:44 BingoBoingo: ;;gettrust hollywood
23:23:44 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user BingoBoingo to user hollywood: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=BingoBoingo&dest=hollywood | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=hollywood | Rated since: never
23:24:25 ben_vulpes: i don't even wot
23:24:51 BingoBoingo: You, know the nice thing about Today's adventure is that at least now I can know that the FBI has a file on me somewhere. just as it has one on Martin Luther King Jr.
23:25:42 TheNewDeal: and you have some good internet exposure before you're body is found floating in the river
23:25:56 TheNewDeal: jp, i dont think the fbi is gonna ax ya
23:27:24 BingoBoingo: Nah, that's what.. What's that Will Smith agency called again...
23:28:03 *: BingoBoingo wonders if alf has similar close enounters of the gasenwagen kind?
23:29:02 ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: MIB
23:29:22 BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: No, the one from Wild Wild West
23:29:44 BingoBoingo: Or was it Soul Plane?
23:29:51 ben_vulpes: hue
23:32:18 BingoBoingo: It's been a while does it look like this submit to /. thing is working well? http://slashdot.org/recent
23:32:20 assbot: Slashdot: News for nerds, stuff that matters
23:32:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10689 @ 0.00064672 = 6.9128 BTC [+] {2}
23:33:15 asciilifeform: http://imgur.com/fw0f9PI
23:33:16 assbot: City bus, in Wash. D.C. area. - Imgur
23:33:23 asciilifeform: ^ seen around half an hour ago.
23:33:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12500 @ 0.00064978 = 8.1223 BTC [+]
23:33:55 ben_vulpes: loooovely!
23:34:17 ben_vulpes: "inform on your fellow subjects! it's good for you, and might be for them!"
23:34:38 asciilifeform: ads recruiting stoolies aren't new here. they have then regularly for, e.g. insurance fraud
23:34:43 asciilifeform: but the small arms theme is new.
23:35:26 penguirker: New blog post: http://bitcoinassetsreception.wordpress.com/2014/08/26/summary-26-july-25-august/
23:35:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1000 @ 0.00063368 = 0.6337 BTC [-] {10}
23:37:23 ben_vulpes: looks like moiety's alive after all...
23:37:36 mircea_popescu: !up Kamuela
23:37:39 asciilifeform: i did somehow think that she starved...
23:38:13 TheNewDeal: ;;ident moriarty
23:38:14 gribble: Nick 'moriarty', with hostmask 'moriarty!~test@unaffiliated/moriarty', is not identified.
23:38:45 *: asciilifeform catches up on logs
23:38:53 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo visited by the wagen ?
23:38:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ROCK] 5000 @ 0.00056046 = 2.8023 BTC [-] {7}
23:39:05 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform seems a reasonable approach, all would be gangstas gotta have the gunz.
23:39:06 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Indeed, multi agency wagen
23:39:34 mircea_popescu: definitely more likely to succeed than "have you seen this 6yo ? $1k reward"
23:40:29 TheNewDeal: ;;rate nubbins` invested in some bitcoin art, waiting for roi :)
23:40:29 gribble: Error: 'invested' is not a valid integer.
23:40:36 TheNewDeal: ;;rate nubbins` 1 invested in some bitcoin art, waiting for roi :)
23:40:37 *: asciilifeform saw, on at least one occasion, stereotypically shifty fellow on a train with stereotypical bulge in his pocket - standing right next to polizei, who was entirely disinterested...
23:40:37 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user nubbins` has been recorded.
23:40:38 BingoBoingo: ;;tslb
23:40:40 gribble: Time since last block: 21 minutes and 3 seconds
23:41:03 TheNewDeal: definitely had a boner ascii
23:41:20 asciilifeform: big fat 'colt 1911' shaped boner.
23:41:22 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not much polizei could have done.
23:41:39 nubbins`: ;;view 21351
23:41:41 gribble: #21351 Mon Aug 25 19:39:07 2014 nubbins` SELL 1.0 'What is Bitcoin?' silkscreened art print @ 35 USD (18x24", 5-color silkscreen on white Cougar acid-free paper, limited edition of 50, pre-order price only, shipping week of August 31, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=756955.0)
23:41:44 nubbins`: ^ only 43 remain!
23:42:17 asciilifeform: Cougar acid-free paper << what other rare animals can be turned into paper ?
23:42:39 mircea_popescu: Alien Paper.
23:43:15 nubbins`: asciilifeform woodchucks ;D
23:43:20 nubbins`: woodpeckers
23:43:27 nubbins`: paper cranes? ;/
23:43:27 asciilifeform: those are everywhere.
23:44:38 mircea_popescu: The Peckish Woodpecker. Salon & Pimparium.
23:45:11 *: BingoBoingo spots an addition http://van-ads.com/venues
23:45:12 assbot: Vulpes Ad Network
23:45:36 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: why'd they let you loose? or should we assume that you're posting from a stake ?
23:46:35 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Seems visit was of an inquisitory nature.
23:46:58 BingoBoingo: Maybe they wanted to see how I'd react if still "wild"
23:47:13 BingoBoingo: Also there's that pending county misdemeanor court date later this week
23:48:00 Kamuela: brb
23:48:21 BingoBoingo: Maybe next time I go to stake?
23:49:00 mircea_popescu: why are you still in the us anyway ? not like you got a job or anything ?
23:49:07 mircea_popescu: !up tyl
23:49:08 mircea_popescu: !up tylander
23:49:17 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if i recall, they took his passport last year
23:49:42 mircea_popescu: o, actually ?
23:49:46 TheNewDeal: for what?
23:49:54 BingoBoingo: No, I've never had one
23:49:57 mircea_popescu: lol
23:50:14 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i wasn't aware they actually do the whole nkvd thing. afaik it was just personal cognizance stuff.
23:50:17 *: asciilifeform scratched head, definitely remembers somethign like this
23:50:26 *: BingoBoingo isn't quite ready for long walk to Mexico, but now see reasons to... get ready
23:50:38 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It is jsut dificult to get one
23:50:51 BingoBoingo: As am still on bond
23:50:51 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo well soon enough it'll be impossible, and nothing to do with bitcoin.
23:51:03 mircea_popescu: just the way dead cow cults work.
23:51:23 asciilifeform: not that, come that hour, the folks with passports will fare any better
23:52:13 *: asciilifeform discovered, after some digging, that he could get russian passport - but would have to spend 1+ year there
23:53:12 TheNewDeal: does evorhees ever come online? was wondering how panama worked out for him
23:53:34 *: asciilifeform is greatly puzzled re: how anyone might imagine BingoBoingo had anything to do with SR
23:54:29 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Maybe they hadn't connect my slave name to my real name yet and read the blog where such connections would not make sense.
23:54:52 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: wasn't aware they actually do the whole nkvd thing << now that i think about it, they do one better. you can keep your passport - but when they scan it at the airport, if the bell rings you get a special treat.
23:55:09 nubbins`: ah, airports
23:55:30 nubbins`: one of the few places in the world where i feel incredibly uneasy, no matter what
23:55:31 artifexd: nubbins`: Do you still have my mailing address?
23:55:37 nubbins`: artifexd i don't believe so
23:55:53 nubbins`: all i remember is that i addressed your package to Mr. Art I. Fexd ;D
23:56:23 artifexd: Give me a btc amount for the poster good for the next hour or so
23:56:52 BingoBoingo: I don't think I'll escape by air, I dun want to get MH-17'd like all of those doctors fighting CIA-AIDs did
23:57:14 nubbins`: artifexd: ,,(calc 55/[ticker --last])
23:57:18 nubbins`: ah fuck, what?
23:57:25 nubbins`: ;;calc 55/[ticker --last]
23:57:26 gribble: 0.109155139222
23:57:28 nubbins`: ^
23:57:49 artifexd: $55? What happened to $35?
23:57:50 TheNewDeal: nubbins` are these going to be limited edition?
23:57:54 TheNewDeal: shipping
23:58:10 nubbins`: shipping :)
23:58:21 nubbins`: i flat-pack them, rolling destroys prints
23:58:22 mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal not lately
23:58:25 mircea_popescu: ;;seen evoorhees
23:58:25 gribble: evoorhees was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 5 weeks, 4 days, 0 hours, and 32 seconds ago: <evoorhees> I need to go for now, on later
23:58:35 nubbins`: TheNewDeal only 50 are being sold to the general public
23:58:49 TheNewDeal: beautiful
23:59:10 nubbins`: depending on sales we may do a second run, but they'll be visibly different (new color scheme) so there's no confusion
23:59:19 TheNewDeal: love it
23:59:52 artifexd: Lemme know when you are ready for the physical address