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01:09:45 truffles: hows life kakobrekla?

01:10:44 kakobrekla: every day something new

01:10:49 kakobrekla: thats how

01:10:54 truffles: exciting then

01:11:05 kakobrekla: i guess you can call it that

01:11:24 truffles: bit of excitement to remind us we're alive u know

01:11:41 kakobrekla: o yeah a bit of pain

01:11:45 kakobrekla: rather

01:12:01 truffles: if u look at it that way

01:13:47 truffles: better than complacency imo

01:33:02 thestringpuller: ;;seen mod6

01:33:17 thestringpuller: stop lurkin' mod6

02:01:08 dexX7: mircea_popescu: is there any detailed report about the glbse closure you might point me to?

02:02:39 mircea_popescu: detailed, no. in summary, its something like this : early spring 2012, nefario allowed a bunch of scammers (goat, the "bankers") to run dubious pirate "pass throughs" pseudoinvestments that soon enough dominated the exchange, doing like 90%+ of all trade, and also made its volume almost comparable to mpex at the time.

02:02:47 mircea_popescu: late autumn 2012, nefario closed shop suddenly.

02:03:13 mircea_popescu: for compare and contrast reasons, burnside did the exact same thing sprind 2013, closed autumn 2013. not quite as suddenly.

02:03:48 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2012/the-stockexchange-shareholders-on-welfare/

02:03:51 ozbot: The stockexchange shareholders on welfare pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

02:03:55 mircea_popescu: a transcript of glbse shareholder meeting at the time survives.

02:03:57 dexX7: ah ty

02:04:32 truffles: u trust that to be unbias?

02:05:32 dexX7: hehe no

02:05:47 dexX7: but i think i'm able to extract the valuable parts

02:05:52 truffles: ok, just wondering if im sane

02:06:25 mircea_popescu: you what ?

02:27:08 mircea_popescu: lol why is a bunker needed ?

02:29:00 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: to quell those distractions like the sun and the moon.

02:29:20 mircea_popescu: they can just take turns.

02:31:04 mircea_popescu: lmao so some dork on the forum named himself "question authority" and has a link to the grouptink article ON WIKIPEDIA in his signature

02:31:07 mircea_popescu: and i can't stop laughing.

02:31:17 mircea_popescu: it's sad people don't realise how much comedic relief they provide.

02:32:34 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I keep forgetting you have in the plural for some reason. It would take a lot of wikidorks to match the raw fecal encephalitits of the recent Burnside posts though.

02:33:22 mircea_popescu: guy's in a world of his own.

02:33:58 3JTAAADX2: just-dice -5,118 in the hole

02:34:57 BingoBoingo: Well of the two risky yet potentially scammy low profit BTC niches, Burnside chose a securities exchange that didn't even take half measures pretending safety.

02:35:03 mircea_popescu: i mean... kid goes to chew power cables. you go don't chew power cables. it goes "well i had a lot of respect for you before but now that you tell me to not chew power cables i don't have any more respect for you". gets killed, and then it's a case of "we (who ?!) were killing you in all respects that matter. by being dead."

02:35:32 mircea_popescu: 3JTAAADX2 and forumers got all butthurt when pr told them to go play there instead of "investing"

02:37:12 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: pretty much. I especially like the idiots who interpret that as invest in Just-Dice instead of gamble on Just-Dice and get burned because they can't remember they read a whole paragraph (pr maybe they tried and forgot?).

02:37:54 mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=296204

02:38:03 ozbot: The BFL timeline: a collaborative schadenfreude project

02:38:03 mircea_popescu: lol goons talking to themselves on selfmod thread.

02:38:38 mircea_popescu: why are those people so frail anyway ? always must have the protection of deleting posts and shit, got forbid the holy echo chamber is threatened.

02:39:32 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I don't think that has as much potential for AMAZING COMPANY Memes as that SolarWIndMIning Company that materialized late last week.

02:40:04 mircea_popescu: wait is that diablo's thing rehashed or unrelated ?

02:40:43 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Apparently unrelated, bunch of no names that were all born in July it seems, but they have blogs born in July to support them...

02:40:57 mircea_popescu: a well then.

02:41:59 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Pretty much. They are the people who threw your PR in their club.

02:42:12 mircea_popescu: o i recall her being livid on the topic

02:42:17 mircea_popescu: lol

02:42:34 mircea_popescu: bad pr. people just won't stop doing it already, in spite of it never working.

02:43:17 BingoBoingo: Yeah. It was actually a different topic that started my sould searching that lead to Bingo Blog, though that group contributed to my general sentiment.

02:44:37 mircea_popescu: that's by now two, jborkl also runs one

02:44:44 mircea_popescu: or do you still jborkl ?

02:44:47 BingoBoingo: What did me in was the thread that seems dead at this polite message: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=295216.msg3198725#msg3198725 Dude was too much of a scammer to even try to talk shit back

02:49:16 mircea_popescu: bitcointalk seems so... hurt these days.

02:50:55 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It's always hurt. It needs to stop shooting up the horse though so it realizes it hurts instead of rectally embracing larger and larger scams until sepsis

02:51:22 mircea_popescu: im kinda curious what's next.

02:51:26 mircea_popescu: i guess we find come spring.

02:51:42 mircea_popescu: but anyway, the hurt these days is of a completely different feel than the hurt in oct 2012.

02:51:59 mircea_popescu: back then it was big holders plucking their hair out in disbelief, quite differently flavored

02:52:22 mircea_popescu: today it looks like a throng of kids who just had their dreams of one day being president crushed.

02:53:03 mircea_popescu: i suppose with strange aeons even hurt decays.

02:53:44 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: My worry is that as bitcoin appreciates against other currencies it keeps staying throngs of kids who will be replace by other throngs of kids.Roger Ver crushed by pirate was big. I worry that BTC-TC will die too quietly.

02:54:14 mircea_popescu: roger ver wasn't even the largest thing crushed by pirate. he was just the loudest/more exhibitionistic.

02:54:24 mircea_popescu: lot of tragedy behind closed doors with that one.

02:56:10 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It isn't always about crushing big things... The louder things crushed should be informing the later things of the hazards of being crushed by having been crushed...

02:56:28 mircea_popescu: well... people have this ability to dissociate.

02:56:40 mircea_popescu: if i gut a crow and put it on a pole, the other crows will keep distance.

02:56:51 mircea_popescu: if i gut a guy and put him up on a pole, it will attract tons of other people.

02:58:27 BingoBoingo: Unlike crows people have chemistry though. PCP, Ketamine, other NMDA partial-agonists; Maybe people need slowed neurologically to see hazards like that withough being trapped themselves?

02:59:12 BingoBoingo: So, 9 days until I find out if My October is going to be a very prison October...

02:59:20 mircea_popescu: so are you saying they're doing too much or too little ?

02:59:36 mircea_popescu: do they give wifi in your obnoxious persons holding ward ?

03:01:25 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Not sure If I get wifi, but on the internet in general, maybe we need still more drugs for the average AMAZInG COMPANY investor to soften teir brain enough to see hazards

03:02:15 BingoBoingo: I'm starting to think avoiding big ships is the teritorry of the extremely dull and the somewhat bright

03:03:26 BingoBoingo: Oh shit, tomatocage is here!

03:13:01 mircea_popescu: lolwut

03:13:34 BingoBoingo: Exactly

03:14:33 mircea_popescu: hehe

03:14:59 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo where are you geographically anyway ? if it;'s not some secret

03:15:59 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: UTC -6 I'll PM you a link to a new story related to my indictment

03:16:21 mircea_popescu: a ok.

03:17:10 mircea_popescu: a apparently us minimum security ppl don't get internet.

03:17:15 mircea_popescu: shouldn't that be a right by now ?

03:17:58 BingoBoingo: Well, 8 days till the trial. Webchat seem to refuse things it used to allow.. Maybe you start the IRC messaging

03:18:02 benkay: rights for all

03:18:04 KRS1: right

03:18:46 KRS1: sucks dude hope you make out ok

03:21:14 mircea_popescu: what;'s the lawyer say anyway "?

03:21:51 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Lawyer say the 5-0 did the paperwork wrong and shouldn't be shit, but this is the most corrupt state in the union.

03:22:53 KRS1: if I were to take a guess Mississippi or Louisiana

03:22:56 MilkyLep: Ah florida...or texas...no wait new york!

03:23:03 mircea_popescu: actually none are correct :D

03:23:11 KRS1: :/

03:23:56 BingoBoingo: KRS1 MilkyLep Wat state had its last 3 governors all face indictments? Two facing Jail time?

03:24:26 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo wait wait. this is the one with the weird serb isn't it!

03:24:30 KRS1: ohhhhh ok

03:24:36 KRS1: Somalia

03:24:46 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2010/milorad-blagojevici/

03:24:49 ozbot: Milorad Blagojevici pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

03:24:53 KRS1: I mean Illinois

03:24:53 mircea_popescu: think about it, the guy even made it on fraudsters!

03:24:57 mircea_popescu: two years ago.

03:25:17 KRS1: yeah that was some funny shit

03:25:19 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: That would be the one.

03:26:08 mircea_popescu: didn't he auction off obama's seat ?

03:26:16 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: But before hime George Ryan shilling for other ethnic groups, Before Him Jim Edgar

03:26:42 BingoBoingo: Blowjabavich tried to auction off the Obama seat.

03:27:09 BingoBoingo: That was when he crossed some government can only be so corrupt line

03:28:02 KRS1: it sure is like that isnt it..+1

03:28:48 BingoBoingo: Week after I got arrested though a former classmate of mine robbed a bank and he just needs to go through alcohol counseling so I'm optomistic with my misdemeanor, because disorderly conduct should be an obligation rather than a crime

03:29:15 mircea_popescu: maybe you should get smart and rob banks.

03:30:35 KRS1: or a bitcoin gambling site

03:30:41 KRS1: oh did i just say that

03:30:42 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Didn't work well for the former acquaintence, but then agian he was fat. Instead of "Take the Money and Run" liek the song he said it was "Take the money and walk briskly" followed by... jail stuff

03:31:11 mircea_popescu: so basically he didn't really need the money.

03:31:11 MilkyLep: Briskly fat boy! Briskly!

03:31:18 mircea_popescu: how much did he get anyway ?

03:31:52 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: He took roughly $600,m he could have probably got more if his weapon wasn't a sandwich...

03:32:30 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: And he was convinced he needed it because the bitch that owned him's parents...

03:32:36 mod6: lol

03:32:51 mircea_popescu: lmao

03:33:02 mircea_popescu: wait he actually had a sandwich in his hand ?

03:34:00 mircea_popescu: anyway, no way il is more corrupt than mass.

03:34:13 mircea_popescu: 1. big dig. 2. governor and head of local mob = brothers

03:34:14 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Yup, Subway chicken teriyaki.

03:34:19 mircea_popescu: 3. barney frank STILL touches little boys.

03:35:51 dexX7: people rob banks for $600?

03:36:34 mircea_popescu: all the time. there were two kids trying it here last month.

03:36:40 mircea_popescu: police beat them to shit, took them to parents.

03:38:46 mircea_popescu: The United States has among the highest incarceration rates in the world. More people are behind bars in the United States than any other country. As of 2006, a record 7 million people were behind bars, on probation or on parole. Of the total, 2.2 million were incarcerated. The People's Republic of China ranks second with 1.5 million. The United States has 5% of the world's population and 25% of the world's incarcerate

03:38:46 mircea_popescu: d population.

03:39:40 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Those are called reasons I'm not optomistic.

03:40:08 dexX7: yeah well.. and china has like 4-6x more population

03:40:19 mircea_popescu: to quote -pr @ ben, "you're in prison anyway"

03:40:52 mircea_popescu: Many states allow persons in minimum-security facilities access to the internet.

03:41:05 mircea_popescu: apparently it got with the times.

03:50:42 BingoBoingo: So, anyone her familiar with Gliph at all?

03:53:53 mircea_popescu: nop.

03:55:35 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well That's going to be my third post on the new blog. Server side AES keys... Connects to Mixing Web Wallets, can't send BTC to BTC addresses...

03:57:25 mircea_popescu: who put up the seed ?

03:58:15 mircea_popescu: a, the junior draper.

03:58:42 benkay: glyph is a scam

03:59:01 benkay: or if not a scam an ineffective thing

03:59:13 mircea_popescu: benkay it's one of those vc things.

03:59:22 benkay: i'm aware

03:59:30 mircea_popescu: http://adamdraper.com/assets/adam_profile-d51740651d947583305206fad1333eff.jpeg

03:59:55 benkay: i'd make more comments about them but i think they know somebody i already don't get along with and this is a very small town

04:00:00 mircea_popescu: "My life's ambition is to assist in the creation of an Iron Man Suit."

04:00:16 mircea_popescu: not much more need be said.

04:01:15 mircea_popescu: Have you ever read the book "He's Just Not That into You"? Me neither, however I have seen the movie, and although it is lacking a whimsically charming Hugh Grant in order to make it into the "Best RomCom" category, there is one part of the movie

04:01:40 dexX7: mmh http://adamdraper.com/ http://www.bitfurystrikesback.com/

04:01:42 mircea_popescu: no actually, thank you internets for mentioning hre guy.

04:01:56 mircea_popescu: dexX7 they're all bootstrap. that's why they all look the same.

04:02:11 dexX7: the lion ;)

04:02:30 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu benkay: With Glyph everything is server side. AES symetrical encryption between parties should tell you all of the fail ou need.

04:02:50 mircea_popescu: dexX7 a

04:03:54 benkay: dat lion

04:03:57 benkay: derp lerps

04:04:00 mircea_popescu: ahahah this stuff is so great. http://siliconflorist.com/2012/03/02/portland-seed-fund-startups-psf/

04:04:06 mircea_popescu: check out the 18 startups.

04:04:23 mircea_popescu: ?We can?t wait to realize the full potential of the creative and technological talent that already exists right here in Portland,?

04:04:34 benkay: "when starting a company, sometimes it is difficult to understand how you should be valued, or what your value is when you are trying to raise money from investors"

04:04:43 benkay: maybe start by making money

04:05:13 benkay: love how indow windows is a "startup"

04:05:31 benkay: didn't know you were allowed to call companies that shoveled atoms "startups"

04:06:15 mircea_popescu: these aren't companies tho. this is the vc freakshow circuit.

04:06:35 benkay: it's just a risk pool

04:06:38 mircea_popescu: get a coupla camwhores through 6 weeks buzzword programme and send them to collect the money of the foolish

04:06:41 benkay: dudes are just buying some risk

04:06:56 mircea_popescu: no, they aren't. dudes are buying by the hour a particular sort of entertainment

04:07:09 mircea_popescu: you know how any brothel worth its salt allows you to act out your fantasies ?

04:07:10 BingoBoingo: If Portland wants investment they have to hide the trackmarks.

04:07:24 mircea_popescu: this is that, except outpatient, you get to pretend luike you're rich and a bunch of twinks really want your cock.

04:08:23 MilkyLep: .d

04:08:24 ozbot: 112628548.66635 | Next Diff in 101 blocks | Estimated Change: 30.5369% in 0d 11h 45m 10s

04:09:19 benkay: in portland trackmarks increase your valuation

04:09:32 benkay: the tickets are to a better show, so to speak.

04:10:18 BingoBoingo: benkay: Increase valuation of what? carried strains of Hep C?

04:10:40 benkay: context implied

04:11:01 benkay: only street people have diseases

04:11:38 benkay: needles aren't that cheap

04:11:44 benkay: er

04:11:46 BingoBoingo: benkay: When you live on the farm most people look like street people...

04:11:47 benkay: expensive

04:11:50 mircea_popescu: anyway, it must really suck to be a vapid airhead stuck in the brood of some guy who seeded skype and whatnot.

04:11:58 mircea_popescu: and trying to follow into daddy's footsteps.

04:12:25 BingoBoingo: benkay: and needles aren't that cheap when the pharmacist has the DEA breathing down their neck

04:12:42 mircea_popescu: aren't needles free anymore ?!

04:12:48 benkay: oh probably

04:13:03 benkay: but that twenty minutes is better spent promoting another fiver for ones habit

04:13:29 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Not in 'Murica outside seatle

04:13:55 benkay: i'm sure the hippies provide them here, doing the lord's charity

04:14:03 benkay: "nobody should have to get high and die"

04:14:15 benkay: isn't that part of the point of the lethality of such bad habits?

04:14:20 jcpham: mircea_popescu needles aren't free that's why i live on $1 ramen every day

04:14:27 jcpham: needles too 'spensive in MURICA

04:15:45 BingoBoingo: I swear the funniest are the lower division college athletes who get insulin needles,because those don't fo deep enough to spread the roids right round

04:23:09 BingoBoingo: Whatever happened to assbot relaying AMAZING COMPANY trades, or at least Diablo_D3 trolling with paleo?

04:23:22 benkay: or tiberius

04:23:41 benkay: as for the first i imagine tptb said something to the programmers

04:24:00 benkay: as for Diablo_D3, he got his feelings hurt one day and hasn't been terribly around

04:24:05 benkay: ;;seen Diablo_D3

04:24:11 benkay: ;;seen DiabloD3

04:24:52 benkay: ;;seen-distribution DiabloD3

04:24:57 benkay: that'd be handy

04:25:34 BingoBoingo: ;; seen usagi

04:28:07 mircea_popescu: we need a bitcoin's tussaud

04:43:38 BingoBoingo: I wonder as I wander out under the sky, has burnside be-en Mirandized?

04:48:33 BingoBoingo: For poor On'ry people on BTC-TC, I wander as I wonder... Out under the sky

04:49:23 BingoBoingo: When Mary birthed Jesus the placenta had stank, with wise men and farmers a gang bang commenced

04:50:16 BingoBoingo: But High from the block chain a bitcoin did fall, and the promise of Satoshi I did then recall

04:51:08 BingoBoingo: If Jebus had wanted for any wee thing, Bitvisotor credits or some other dusty thing

04:51:56 BingoBoingo: Or all of the Buttcoins in a gallery did ring, It surely could be had 'cause Burnside is not king

04:52:20 BingoBoingo: I wonder as I wander out under the sky, has burnside be-en Mirandized?

04:53:23 BingoBoingo: How satoshi the inventor has not been scrutinized, escaping Obama's old people in their state care.

04:53:40 BingoBoingo: i wander as I wonder? Out under the sky

04:55:19 Jumpy: Hello all, I'm just lurking from the office while I work.

04:57:38 mircea_popescu: lol

04:57:40 mircea_popescu: hi jumpy.

05:20:57 benkay: http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/19104iqfifvg6gif/original.gif

05:21:28 BingoBoingo: benkay: Lol balds...

05:26:04 benkay: mircea_popescu: http://mashable.com/2013/06/19/john-mcafee-uninstalls-software/

05:27:05 benkay: also mircea_popescu: http://www.urbit.org/2013/08/22/Chapter-6-security.html

05:30:43 benkay: Rather, require every serious content buyer to post a creative bond. If his files are found on a sharing network, he gets a bill and the informer gets a reward. This will have a rapid, lethal effect on the “culture of sharing.”

05:37:13 BingoBoingo: So... BingoBlog now has a third post. At this current pace of 117 unique visitors within 19 hours of the first post during a soft launch (i.e. I've only linked it here and CoinChat, MP linked it on fraudsters and I'm not spamming bitcointalk with it yet) BingoBlog might be one of the fastest growing blogs in the BTC space. I want some comments here: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2013/09/24/anti-bitcoin-bitcoin-apps/ concer

05:37:23 BingoBoingo: or not (they are anti-bitcoin)

05:44:04 mircea_popescu: benkay i think someone had that link here a day or two ago

05:44:44 mircea_popescu: lol BingoBoingo it's not about speed, it's about duration.

05:45:41 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Yeah. Duration is why I'm breaking anti-bitcoin "bitcoin-apps" into three or four parts.

05:45:45 mircea_popescu: also, the "watermark" bs was tried by adobe, as well as by the porn industry. it fails to work.

05:46:14 BingoBoingo: Watermark? Is ther something I have to kill out of the theme?

05:46:45 mircea_popescu: the notion that it's "Antisocial" to help people evade their local laws is scandalous.

05:47:24 mircea_popescu: so what, i'm not helping the soviets overthrow their illegitimate govt in the 80s, i'm not helping americans overthrow their illegitimate govt today because "it's antisocial" ?!

05:47:27 mircea_popescu: it'd be antisocial not to.

05:48:25 BingoBoingo: Hmmm... I don't see having written that yet...

05:48:55 mircea_popescu: it was from the urbit thing benkay keeps spamming for some obscure reason

05:49:27 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo by the way, the #1 thing you could do for your blog atm is coming out with your own identity.

05:49:34 mircea_popescu: cover your trial in an extensive manner.

05:51:24 mircea_popescu: also get a footnotes plugin and a recent comments thing.

05:51:55 benkay: mircea_popescu: the social relationship is between the individual who issued your address on the network and whoever thinks you need to shut up

05:52:05 benkay: eg your liege lord and mine

05:52:11 mircea_popescu: herp.

05:52:20 benkay: it's a joke about power

05:52:26 mircea_popescu: society is an emergent phenomena. it does not allow definition by interested parties.

05:52:38 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I have the IRL identity on the blog planned on a roughly 1-3 year timeline. Doing it in less than 1 year Might be sudden, but if it isn't out in 3 then why the fuck am I blogging. I don't plan pseudonymity forever, but I am actively considering more favorable jurisdictions to settle in.

05:53:11 mircea_popescu: the why the fuck am i blogging point is sound.

05:53:52 mircea_popescu: obviously judging the other side is your domain, but i don't see why i'd want to live in a world wherein i can't say my name on my own blog. either such a world doesn't exist or i don't, and the sooner we find out the better.

05:55:05 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The staying out of jail point is also of some concern... I imagine safe places in this world exist to throw out a name, but... 'Murica

05:55:35 mircea_popescu: myeah. sucks.

05:59:29 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I've already thrown my IRL name to you at least twice though. Once this spring during the ascension once I felt I knew who mattered and again tonight because... I liek reafirming things and a bit of google can take you to an alleged recording I have been advised by counsel to avoid listening to (depending on how next week goes that might be free and clear though, after the alleged speech crime is ajudicated)

06:01:08 mircea_popescu: well sure, not why i was saying.

06:01:22 mircea_popescu: it just puts one in a particularly comfortable and solid mental place to be themselves.

06:04:17 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Yeah. Basicaally if I keep the blog up an identity release is planned. If not though the local sheriff imagining me as a minor Burside would probably be a contributing factor, a lack of my denying to release an identity later ought to probably be construed as that.

06:07:39 BingoBoingo: After next week I might be able to GPG or address sign a kill switch statement to that effect, if I won't publically connect my identities by XX date Lex pressure is probably a contributing factor, but I should be in a moar tolerant jurisdiction by then as everyone is a tourist nowadays.

06:09:57 mircea_popescu: lol did you read that one ?

06:10:18 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Yeah

06:10:24 mircea_popescu: cool beans

06:12:00 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: What I lack in actually knowledge of Romanian I substitute Google translate and the idea that Spanish grammar has to be moar right than the shit Google spits out organizing words

06:12:31 mircea_popescu: yeah. well ga is hysterically funny upon occasion

06:12:48 mircea_popescu: so at leas there's that. but i guess i should have the thing translated one of these days.

06:13:44 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I've though about offering my horrific translations in the comments of your old articles as you cite them.

06:14:12 mircea_popescu: can't hurt anything

06:14:24 mircea_popescu: maybe it'll shame some of the native speaker readers into doing a better jhob

06:14:53 mircea_popescu: either way i guess i have this awesome bonus that if i ever run out of shit to write i can spend years just translating old stuff

06:16:43 BingoBoingo: I might start that then. Worst case in a few months to a year it might be a holy shit I understand this language moment, and then I can work for Microsoft installing those exploits.

06:17:05 mircea_popescu: lol

06:17:29 mircea_popescu: romanian is a great language to learn because if you're talking to a hot white chick it's 33% she's romanian

06:17:42 mircea_popescu: learn that and russian, you can always dropkick teh gorgeous babes right into your bed.

06:18:15 BingoBoingo: Google Translate seems to beat Bing translate in most languages except romanian. Bing translate knew climbing up the mountain was uploading, but I didn't trust it.

06:18:33 mircea_popescu: haha

06:19:04 mircea_popescu: apparently ms has a lot of in house expertise in romanian.

06:20:07 BingoBoingo: Yeah MS does, I think it is the third or something most common native language of people working for them in redmon trying to remember off the top of my head

06:20:37 BingoBoingo: As I wrap my head around a european language being classed as native

06:24:33 BingoBoingo: I can't wait till the end of season baseball bitbets pay out. I don't think I have anything outstanding there as amazing as the S.BBET vs S.DICE wager I placed, but I don't care enough to look that shit up.

06:28:20 mircea_popescu: italics are no good generally.

06:30:21 BingoBoingo: Yeah, fuck it I'll put it on tomorrow's todo list.

06:31:44 BingoBoingo: Laptop fan finally can in so I probably ought to throw that on the list as well.

07:51:00 mod6: ;;bc,stats

08:29:21 dub: ;;nethash

10:52:20 Hisb0hla: <لغة البرنامج النصي = 'JavaScript1.1'

10:52:20 Hisb0hla: بطبيعة الحال، يتم تدريس اللغة الإنجليزية والتحدث بها في أفريقيا. ومع ذلك، مقابلة وزير الخارجية الكيني امينة محمد يغذي التخمين، التي تنص على الأجانب مع أو بدون جذور الصومالية، شاركوا في الهجوم يمكن.

11:07:28 DiabloD3: [12:24:01] <benkay> as for Diablo_D3, he got his feelings hurt one day and hasn't been terribly around

11:07:31 DiabloD3: wtf Im always here

13:02:29 jurov: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=125629.msg3231140#msg3231140

13:02:34 ozbot: [BTC-TC] Virtual Community Exchange [WINDING DOWN]

13:02:39 jurov: dude provided an example of one of biggest coinbr usability problems

13:03:18 jurov: if there really isn't anything more serious, i'm happy

13:26:06 Olautze: look at #bitcoin Blockchain-fork occoured

13:27:38 lewicki: troll?

13:31:16 BTCFreak_: lewicki: no

13:31:28 Olautze: lewicki: its true

13:32:39 kleeck: IS there more information on this?

13:32:52 Graet: forks happen all the time, then the network reaches concensus, stop spamming shit Olautze

13:33:12 Olautze: not a normal ophanedfork

13:33:23 Graet: t5his guy has been spamm,ing bitcoin channels for days, ignoring him is best

13:33:29 kleeck: I assumed you weren't talking about an orphaned fork...

13:33:33 Olautze: like a few Month ago with the bat client's

13:33:43 kleeck: Thanks Graet

13:33:50 Graet: :)

13:34:06 Olautze: it our money you loose, not my

13:34:18 Scrat: your mom is loose

13:34:23 kakobrekla: Olautze stfu or ban

13:45:00 Rulother: +1

13:46:25 VanCleef: 0.008799

13:46:27 VanCleef: am div data

13:56:41 jurov: lol put the arabic above to google translate

13:57:08 kakobrekla: what does it say

13:57:19 jurov: "All monkeys make all make all the monkeys to make monkeys make it all all the monkeys to make monkeys"

13:57:39 andchat1234: it's obviously a coded message

13:57:48 andchat1234: describing a terrorist attack on the zoo

14:11:01 kakobrekla: ;;bc,stats

14:11:26 kakobrekla: a just missed the old diff

15:08:34 BTC55: I have noticed that are unjustified user locked.

15:08:36 BTC55: Here's my offer: I do not spam and you take out all the bans. Otherwise, continue here. You can not lock me up!

15:09:22 BTC55: I have noticed that are unjustified user locked.

15:09:24 BTC55: Here's my offer: I do not spam and you take out all the bans. Otherwise, continue here. You can not lock me up!

15:10:55 Rulother: All in a day's work

15:38:26 Rulother: nice

15:38:32 Rulother: busy day for ya it seems

15:39:33 jcpham: he isn't trying very hard, just using new IP each time

15:40:08 jcpham: scripted back_again!~back_agai@* kick/ban should do it

16:03:34 jurov: ;;bc,stats

16:10:05 jurov: ;;nethash

16:11:47 jurov: http://organofcorti.blogspot.sk/2013/09/105-forecasting-network-hashrate.html

16:11:50 ozbot: Neighbourhood Pool Watch: 10.5 Forecasting the network hashrate revisited

16:12:01 jurov: seems by sep29 it will be outside his 50% interval

16:24:00 jcpham: http://krebsonsecurity.com/2013/09/data-broker-giants-hacked-by-id-theft-service/

16:24:07 ozbot: Data Broker Giants Hacked by ID Theft Service — Krebs on Security

16:24:16 jcpham: lexis nexis being owned for 5 months is pretty interesting

16:25:11 DiabloD3: lol

16:25:15 DiabloD3: I knew trhat was going to happen

16:25:48 kakobrekla: >>I sent out refunds for all who have claimed them about two minutes ago. The refunded amount is in proportion to the amount Avalon refunded me, therefore, BTC782.1/10000 chips = BTC0.07821 refunded per chip.

16:26:00 kakobrekla: anyone know what was paid for those originally?

16:27:06 kakobrekla: >Cost per chip for the first 5000 chips in this batch will be 0.08. The cost for the second 5000 chips will be 0.09.

16:27:07 kakobrekla: aha

16:27:13 kakobrekla: so they do lose out

16:27:38 kakobrekla: on ngzang you are so ethical!

16:27:40 kakobrekla: oh

16:29:08 jcpham: "All three victim companies said they are working with federal authorities and third-party forensics firms in the early stages of determining how far the breaches extend, and whether indeed any sensitive information was accessed and exfiltrated from their networks."

16:29:15 jcpham: they don't even know what was taken

16:29:51 kleeck: Where was this breach?

16:31:08 jcpham: http://krebsonsecurity.com/2013/09/data-broker-giants-hacked-by-id-theft-service/

16:31:14 ozbot: Data Broker Giants Hacked by ID Theft Service — Krebs on Security

16:31:14 jcpham: it's a long article

17:07:23 dexX7: ThickAsThieves: a guess where most of the am shares will land?

17:11:26 kakobrekla: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://bitbet.us/bet/537/bitstampusd-will-trade-at-a-higher-price-than/#c1469

17:15:19 dexX7: to my understanding the volume of bitstamp needs to be higher than gox at any point prior dec 31st. how can you use the pie chart (which only shows a snapshot of "now") anyway, when you need to take historical data (= the complete timespan from now till dec 31st) in consideration?

17:24:02 zoinky: volume? it says pirce

17:24:04 zoinky: price*

17:25:12 dexX7: lol ouch

17:25:18 dexX7: you're right :)

17:25:25 pankkake: but there's a bet on volume too?

17:25:29 dexX7: there was one

17:26:33 dexX7: http://bitbet.us/bet/460/mt-gox-to-have-50-trade-volume/

17:26:38 ozbot: BitBet - Mt. Gox to have < 50% trade volume before September

17:44:49 FabianB_: wtf

17:47:32 mod6: lol

17:50:57 kakobrekla: 10 trades executed, started with 50000 satoshi per share ended with 10 satoshi per share with 974913 shares at that price

17:51:06 kakobrekla: too bad i didnt have a bid in or whatever

17:51:20 mod6: i picked up a bunch

17:51:39 kakobrekla: was a steal

17:51:43 mod6: for sure

17:51:56 mod6: should have bid more...

17:52:47 FabianB_: picket some too, but who was the lucky one at 10 satoshi?

17:52:53 FabianB_: picked*

17:52:58 mod6: either someone fat-fingered or that lame troll finally shorted it like he said he was gonna.

17:53:10 mod6: w/e

17:55:02 fupafooder: How long should i expect to wait for my withdrawal to process?

17:55:09 fupafooder: Like an average time

17:57:30 kakobrekla: from where?

17:59:18 fupafooder: On mpex.

17:59:47 FabianB_: few hours

18:04:22 kakobrekla: Kraken is the world's first robust, technologically sophisticated, legally compliant Bitcoin trading platform. Right now we're years ahead of the competition and full of shit.

18:05:11 Apocalyptic: heh

18:05:56 BigBitz: So legally compliant they had to remove their USD Market :>

18:06:05 imsaguy: who runs kraken?

18:06:18 BigBitz: Payward.

18:06:23 BigBitz: Jesse... erm... forget his name.

18:06:25 Apocalyptic: they really did that Biggy ?

18:06:40 BigBitz: I'm /almost/ certain they had USD when they "went live" few weeks ago.

18:06:46 BigBitz: their legal counsel is HOT.

18:06:46 Apocalyptic: yep

18:06:49 BigBitz: super hot Asian chick.

18:06:58 Apocalyptic: they had it, but i haven't checked since

18:07:08 BigBitz: they don't have it anymore.

18:55:29 mod6: someone sold >2M of S.MPOE too :)

18:56:17 mircea_popescu: o hey.

18:56:24 mircea_popescu: $vwap s.mpoe

19:00:39 mod6: I think assbot was out of the office when those trades happened.

19:08:01 mod6: :D

19:08:54 mircea_popescu: lol

19:10:01 jurov: orly

19:10:31 mircea_popescu: the plot thickens. apparently there was a breach of some sort.

19:10:34 mircea_popescu: investigating.

19:10:48 jurov: hm, live.coinbr.com has it (in all its crude glory)

19:11:19 jurov: that means it was published in RSS

19:14:18 mod6: ah ya

19:15:52 kakobrekla: hm

19:16:06 kakobrekla: so theres a breach, shares get sold and some dude asks how long the withdrawal takes... http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/#331320

19:16:16 mod6: yea

19:16:16 kakobrekla: :>

19:17:25 fupafooder: Woah. I believe I was the only to ask that question

19:17:33 fupafooder: But I am nothing to do with said breach..

19:26:22 mircea_popescu: heh.

19:27:55 jurov: fyi, CoinBr accounts are intact.

19:33:13 jborkl: what breech?

19:34:30 jborkl: breach

19:48:56 benkay: f yeah

19:49:01 benkay: wrong window

19:58:20 mircea_popescu: mkay. too soon to say for certain, but it seems a bunch of fake trades were reported. im putting a two hour hold on trades of s.mpoe and s.bbet.

20:05:14 kakobrekla: huh?

20:15:52 thestringpuller: jnh,jhuflhasdlkfdslafjlksksdaf

20:15:54 thestringpuller: okay cool

20:15:56 thestringpuller: it works

20:16:11 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu is romania in the EU?

20:17:32 mircea_popescu: yes.

20:17:32 mod6: he's probably doin stuff. ya it is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union

20:17:36 mod6: oh :)

20:17:38 thestringpuller: From 2015, Romania will host Europe's first NATO anti-missile shield.

20:17:39 mircea_popescu: and yes i am doing stuff.

20:17:59 thestringpuller: sounds like MPEx will never get nuked.

20:24:25 jurov: thestringpuller:afaik the servers are in america, not in romania

20:28:27 mircea_popescu: anyway, fact #1 : attacker failed to obtain any btc for his trouble. he did try to, but it was caught.

20:28:57 dexX7: *getspopcorn*

20:28:58 mircea_popescu: i'll be making a post later about it.

20:29:13 KRS-1: can you be charged with stealing btc?

20:29:40 mircea_popescu: well these things are reported to the fbi as a matter of course, but i don't know if they ever do anything.

20:30:42 dexX7: by you?

20:31:29 mircea_popescu: by the person in charge of that.

20:38:09 jurov: mircea_popescu: so it's trading now? won't be any reverts?

20:38:37 mircea_popescu: there will def be reverts.

20:39:57 KRS-1: i didn't do it

20:40:07 jurov: lol

20:42:26 the20year1: Is burnside quick about support? 2btc is missing from my account

20:42:57 jurov: yes today he was quick on btctalk, maybe still is on

20:43:09 the20year1: k

20:45:12 the20year1: well that's odd, it set a different permanant withdrawl address

20:49:37 dexX7: 2fa enabled?

20:50:31 the20year1: Yeah

20:50:54 the20year1: shows a balance of 1.9995 on the top of my screen, but in my wallet it shows 0 ballance

20:51:27 dexX7: that's odd. was the missing amount withdrawaled?

20:52:35 dexX7: please go to "wallet" - "withdrawal history" and check

20:58:36 benkay: i'm very interested to hear more about this breach

20:59:55 dexX7: the20year1: also click on "refresh" right to your account balance in your wallet

21:05:31 pankkake: looks like https://bitcoin-central.net/ is back for real

21:06:48 dexX7: another website that uses highcharts.com >.<

21:07:20 the20year1: Refreshing didn't do anything

21:07:37 dexX7: so was it withdrawaled and shown under "withdrawal history"?

21:08:07 the20year1: Nope

21:08:15 the20year1: Deposit history - 5 btc

21:08:25 the20year1: Withdrawl history - 3btc (My limit)

21:08:47 the20year1: No shares purchased, no other activity, top of screen shows a balance of 1.9995btc, yet wallet shows balance of 0btc

21:09:05 dexX7: did you initiate a manual payout?

21:09:14 the20year1: Not recently

21:09:17 dexX7: because you mentioned "3 btc (my limit)"

21:09:43 the20year1: that was the max i could withdrawl a few motnhs ago, and I was able to do it

21:09:49 dexX7: i see

21:10:15 dexX7: well all purchased shares and options should be visible at "withdrawal history" anway

21:10:51 the20year1: there's nothing there outside of the withdrawl of 3btc to one of my other wallets

21:11:18 dexX7: nothing? for me it shows trades that i made

21:13:39 the20year1: I never made any trades

21:14:19 dexX7: can you make a screenshot of this page?

21:17:46 kakobrekla: how much of the neobee sold

21:35:40 the20year1: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/9427554/screenshotbtc.jpg

21:36:33 dexX7: ah i got it

21:36:43 dexX7: you need to set your public withdrawal address

21:36:52 dexX7: this step is necessary to do _anything on btct now

21:37:20 dexX7: this address would be used to identify you as shareholder after btct has been shut dowwn

21:37:49 dexX7: you can set the public withdrawal address under "account" - "settings"

21:41:24 the20year1: thx

21:42:59 dexX7: np

21:43:18 jurov: lol b-c has 2.4 btc altogether in order book

21:43:51 Apocalyptic: liquid market heh

21:44:22 dexX7: hm.. https://www.kraken.com/ also only .25 btc

21:44:24 Apocalyptic: and the fucking EU-only list... keeps me out

21:44:24 dexX7: that's a shame

21:44:45 pankkake: even older customers like me aren't verified anymore

21:45:02 pankkake: so… it will have to wait

21:46:29 jurov: dexx7: we can help you by doing something like https://coinbr.com/btct/idiff_1

21:46:54 dexX7: re ciphermine, you mean?

21:47:20 jurov: yes, if you need any information from shareholders , it's simple form where they authenticate using btc signature

21:48:01 dexX7: thanks, i'll forward this. support@coinbr.com is the best way to contact you?

21:48:05 jurov: yes

21:55:13 dexX7: jurov: how would that work? i guess ciphermine would need to transfer their shares on bitfunder to one of your accounts and users/shareholders would need to sign a message on coinbr to claim their shares and you'd then use the internal transfer on bitfunder to distribute the shares?

21:55:37 jurov: no, it's just to help you with collection of data

21:56:06 jurov: you will csv who will want to transfer where to bitfunder

21:56:13 dexX7: aah, i see

21:56:37 jurov: and you will know all the users authenticated themselvas properly

21:56:47 dexX7: so i guess - in theory - you could offer the same service for havelock, too?

21:57:19 jurov: yes... the form fields can be changed no problem

21:58:43 dexX7: that's what i assumed.

22:11:35 dexX7: jurov: k, i sent kate (issuer of ciphermine) an email. thanks for your offer. :)

22:11:59 jurov: you tested it? i got some bogus request :)

22:12:06 dexX7: hehe yes

22:12:20 dexX7: it's the one with @test.com

22:17:02 dexX7: it's so cool what you can do with those "mechanics". i was surprised how mpex uses gpg signed messages to proceed orders and i played a bit to create a btc signature based login system. i bet this is not new, but still impressive :)

22:22:09 jurov: and how burnside "discovered" it once he got into trouble :)

22:22:48 thestringpuller: If you don't like to party then yo' ass got to go

22:22:58 dexX7: hehe yea

22:23:20 jurov: sadly it is not widely used. i reused some code from electrum and found out it did not suppport signing messages longer than 252 chars

22:23:32 jurov: and it was fixes only month ago in upstream

22:23:47 mircea_popescu: dexX7 actually, it is new yeah.

22:24:15 dexX7: really? i digged a bit and found stuff like gpgauth.org for example

22:25:22 dexX7: but anyway, even more impressive then

22:27:02 mircea_popescu: i guess it isn't quite as new as i thought :)

23:38:12 [\]: what prevents bitfunder from going the way ot btctc?

23:38:24 jurov: [\\\]: nothing

23:39:28 jurov: mircea_popescu: any updates soon?

23:40:00 mircea_popescu: jurov penning it right now. should be half hour.

23:56:16 Ukyo: [\\\]: we shall see