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00:18:11 deedbot-: [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] BitBet is THE prediction market, which means it’s basically a megaphone. - http://www.contravex.com/2015/09/24/bitbet-is-the-prediction-market-which-means-its-basically-a-megaphone/

00:25:01 BingoBoingo: Oh MPIF is in on the Trump bet https://bitbet.us/bet/1206/donald-trump-gets-republican-nomination/#b5

00:25:02 assbot: BitBet - Donald Trump gets Republican Nomination :: 10.24 B (57%) on Yes, 7.84 B (43%) on No | closing in 6 months 2 weeks | weight: 99`567 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pzg83A )

00:25:12 mircea_popescu: ha.

00:25:16 mircea_popescu: almost even odds by now ?

00:26:07 BingoBoingo: Yeah, Looks like it is just you and the smaller MPIF share betting on trump so far with everyone else offering odds

00:27:17 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-09-2015#1284785 << pay BACK the VCs ? da fuck's wrong with you!

00:27:17 assbot: Logged on 24-09-2015 13:50:30; hdbuck: raspi + 3D printed case! they'll sell at least 100 of them, so that's around $1.2 million a piece to pay back the VCs. i am waiting for the « toasters » tho.

00:27:34 mircea_popescu: you don't pay the credit card, you move the balance on a bigger credit card. duh.

00:28:18 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-09-2015#1284796 << i suspek that's what they were trying to do with the sha1.

00:28:18 assbot: Logged on 24-09-2015 14:13:39; asciilifeform: if the protocol had been designed by sane people, ALL SIGNATURES WOULD HAVE SAME FORMAT regardless of for what the signature is - for a file, or for the key itself, whatever

00:28:30 mircea_popescu: and yes it will have to be redone if nothing else then for that reason.

00:29:32 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-09-2015#1284802 << how fast do you expect to go in traffic ? 200W should be enough at the 1mph speed provided your bearings aren't made out of clay.

00:29:32 assbot: Logged on 24-09-2015 14:20:54; asciilifeform: (a panel which fits on a passenger car roof - let's even assume one on the hood, as well - would be lucky to pick up 200W at high noon on a cloudless day.)

00:31:57 mircea_popescu: https://i.imgur.com/xTTVeOb.jpg << dude who stole my cat.

00:31:58 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1YD9fEy )

00:33:51 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-09-2015#1284827 << he has a point. the notion of putting http in there but then going "The settlement part isn?t covered by the document, for the pretty simple reason that settlement is a business matter, not a technical challenge. It would also vastly complicate everything." is pretty wild.

00:33:51 assbot: Logged on 24-09-2015 15:32:14; jurov: it would work fine with gpg mpex-style

00:34:13 mircea_popescu: if you are going to put something, put pgp. not pki, and in no case http for a stateful machine.

00:34:29 mircea_popescu: ("https" is not a thing. it's a flavor of usg-pki. burn it.)

00:35:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9794 @ 0.0007319 = 7.1682 BTC [-]

00:37:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3900 @ 0.00073785 = 2.8776 BTC [+]

00:37:14 mircea_popescu: also the correct way to handle this is through some sort of repo agreement. "A agrees to receive any sums from B throughout today, Sept 25th, and remit no later than by Sept 26th, at 8:00 gmt at address so and so a sum of btc equal to : the sum of btc received ; plus the sum of X currency received divided by Vx ; plus the sum of Y currency received divided by Vy ; plus [etc]."

00:37:54 mircea_popescu: this way B can send any payments its customers want, and A will idem send whatever payments its customers want, and at the end of the day the whole balance is BTC settled at the agreed upon price and that's that.

00:38:16 mircea_popescu: it can just be published as an item, you don't even need a "connection" between the two.

00:44:03 mircea_popescu: in other news, the pin of the association of plastic surgeons from lima, peru depicts as a logo a stylisized cunt.

00:45:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19049 @ 0.00073421 = 13.986 BTC [-]

00:47:54 BingoBoingo: Nice

00:48:23 mircea_popescu: last fucking place you want the dudes to get involved, the cunt and the other set of labia.

00:48:38 mircea_popescu: hands off the functional parts, yo! stick to tits and hips and whatnot

00:50:59 BingoBoingo: Seriously

00:51:12 BingoBoingo: It's nice that they put that warning up there

00:51:40 BingoBoingo: "Don't get anesthesia in Peru, They mess with the functional parts"

00:51:49 mircea_popescu: "Adopting Russian Orthodox Christian terminology for an important house of worship, the building is called the Moscow Cathedral Mosque. Its main golden dome and tall minaret reflected the style of many Orthodox churches, except for the Islamic crescents atop them."

00:51:55 mircea_popescu: lol stalinism survived, huh.

00:52:55 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-09-2015#1284988 << lovely!

00:52:55 assbot: Logged on 24-09-2015 20:23:18; mike_c: mircea_popescu: wot user does a live search now if user isn't found, and/or provides a handy link for the JS-handicapped among us. http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/FooBar/

00:53:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19650 @ 0.00073761 = 14.494 BTC [+]

01:03:44 BingoBoingo: lol trend http://www.sdpnoticias.com/nacional/2015/09/19/reto-del-pasesito-de-coca-la-nueva-moda-entre-las-ninas-bien-mexicanas

01:03:45 assbot: "Reto del pasesito" de coca: la nueva moda entre las niñas bien mexicanas ... ( http://bit.ly/1KTkH95 )

01:06:09 mircea_popescu: notrly news is it ?

01:09:52 BingoBoingo: Nah, "Trend Piece" aka not news that sneaks into the news

01:13:17 mircea_popescu: Stroustrup said: ?You can write C++ programs that are statically type safe and have no resource leaks. You can do that without loss of performance and without limiting C++?s expressive power. This supports the general thesis that garbage collection is neither necessary nor sufficient for quality software. Our core C++ guidelines makes such code simpler to write than older styles of C++ and the safety can be validat

01:13:18 mircea_popescu: ed by tools that should soon be available as open source.?

01:13:38 mircea_popescu: check it out asciilifeform, "experts at Morgan Stanley" fixed the world!

01:13:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26584 @ 0.00073785 = 19.615 BTC [+]

01:14:07 BingoBoingo: Seems Stroustrup really went senile

01:15:21 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-09-2015#1285003 << not run by stephen pair.

01:15:21 assbot: Logged on 24-09-2015 21:27:23; Pierre_Rochard: sad day, could’ve been a great business…

01:16:17 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-09-2015#1285009 << what abgout the idea of eulora on macos!11!!

01:16:17 assbot: Logged on 24-09-2015 21:29:38; phf: ascii_field, mircea_popescu, et al: i've been experimenting with idea of trusted nodes in bitcoind. so far: address has levels of trust, ultimate, trusted and untrusted. adding an address with -connect gives it ultimate trust, with -addnode makes it trusted, otherwise (reported by other nodes, random connections, etc.) are untrusted. nodes have the same level of trust as their addresses. trusted nodes (i.e. bot

01:17:01 mircea_popescu: but on the subject : the only thing that matters is the value transferred. any other approach is a waste of time.

01:17:10 mircea_popescu: you gotta meter what txn they pass you and score them.

01:17:10 BingoBoingo: Further news in 'Murican manufactering http://thesouthern.com/news/local/state-and-regional/caterpillar-now-is-not-the-time-for-peoria-headquarters/article_f1e69229-7903-599d-968c-3a42fac74b96.html

01:17:49 phf: mircea_popescu: it's already done! afaik ben_vulpes and gernika both have a mac built using my approach

01:18:00 mircea_popescu: didja publish it ?

01:19:52 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-09-2015#1285041 << we can already do this using iptables like god intended. it didn't practically help in the field if you recall.

01:19:52 assbot: Logged on 24-09-2015 21:54:55; phf: well, the patch gives special status to ips that were explicitly provided. if you're being mitm'd, your only recourse is operator intervention, the goal of the patch was to ensure that your recourse does not automatically become "use random shmoe"

01:20:49 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-09-2015#1285049 << that's ok, china is not an adult place.

01:20:49 assbot: Logged on 24-09-2015 21:57:49; ascii_field: but that is not an adult answer.

01:21:31 mod6: oh speaking of eulora, is the new version out?

01:21:35 mircea_popescu: ayup.

01:21:39 mod6: nice :]

01:22:22 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-09-2015#1285073 << this is a point that perhaps may pass unnoticed and trip people i think.

01:22:22 assbot: Logged on 24-09-2015 22:12:13; ascii_field: (eatblock is a locking operation)

01:22:51 mircea_popescu: machine can not do anything else during, if you're say making a large tarball at the same time odds are you'll cry.

01:23:49 mod6: ahyeah http://minigame.bz/eulora/binaries/ << found it.

01:23:50 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1VEKczm )

01:25:01 mod6: so asciilifeform & mircea_popescu, I added a sync mechinism for V. but wanted to discuss it a bit, not sure if it's whats really ideal or anything.

01:25:10 mircea_popescu: do tell ?

01:25:47 mod6: so, to start, I dropped the vpatches, wot pub keys, and seals (sigs of vpatches) into a webirectory here: http://thebitcoin.foundation/v/

01:25:48 assbot: Index of /v ... ( http://bit.ly/1KTlXJl )

01:26:35 mod6: this way when one clicks on a node in the directed grap (from before), it takes you to the actual vpatch. anyway...

01:26:48 mircea_popescu: aha

01:27:06 BingoBoingo: http://thesouthern.com/news/local/communities/carbondale/grubbs-to-get-pay-raise-stipend-to-move-into-carbondale/article_a8840cd8-a507-5499-9a22-183c688d010c.html << $15,000 rent stipend. When I was there rented for $3,600/year fucking inflation

01:27:08 assbot: Grubbs to get pay raise, stipend to move into Carbondale city limits : Carbondale ... ( http://bit.ly/1KTm0F4 )

01:27:12 mod6: one possibility to publish releases in the future now that we have V is to create a manifest of V patches and have the co-chairs sign the manifest, as well as the patches.

01:27:44 mod6: so for instance, I've made http://thebitcoin.foundation/v/TEST2.manifest, so far unsigned as its just for testing my code for a minute here..

01:27:45 assbot: 404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1KTm6wk )

01:27:56 mod6: not found? wth

01:29:23 mircea_popescu: i think this is the correct approach. also i like it.

01:29:34 phf: mircea_popescu: i did not publish the instructions, i will update http://www.eulorum.org/OS_X

01:29:36 assbot: OS X - Eulorum ... ( http://bit.ly/1KTmdbo )

01:29:46 mod6: So I added subroutines to pull all patches, wots and seals from the foundation site, and/or audit what's already local by checking the local vpatch hashes against the manifest.

01:29:58 mod6: or you can pull individual patches if one likes.

01:30:08 mircea_popescu: phf you gonna get in game to get your pile of woooly shrooms ?

01:30:22 mircea_popescu: spiffy mod6

01:30:24 mod6: (incase there are patches added to the site webdirectory that are not included in the release manifest)

01:30:29 mod6: thanks :]

01:30:40 mod6: also, i'm leaving some room here for mirrors.

01:30:44 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/2015/09/india-imposes-and-us-considers-tariffs-on-hot-rolled-steel/#comment-60869

01:30:45 assbot: India Imposes and US Considers Tariffs on Hot Rolled Steel | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1KTmgDW )

01:30:59 phf: mircea_popescu: yes, once i do the publishing

01:31:00 mod6: we could have a signed list of mirrors in the same location as the manifest so that there is some redundancy

01:31:52 mod6: anyway sorry for the verbosity, thanks for listening. just wanted to see if I was on the right track before I get too far along.

01:33:21 mircea_popescu: seems lovely mod6

01:33:57 mod6: ty, having fun building it. :]

01:40:27 mircea_popescu: :)

01:41:21 BingoBoingo: lol https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/3m91ls/eyewitness_people_walking_out_of_bitpay_office_in/cvd8pt5

01:41:23 assbot: sciencehatesyou comments on Eyewitness: People Walking Out of BitPay Office in Tears ... ( http://bit.ly/1G5SwhF )

01:42:06 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-09-2015#1285158 << this picture is not correct. 'locking' here refers to literal lock, the global big fat lock in bitcoind, the one that makes it only pseudo-multithreaded on account of just about every major routine hogging it

01:42:06 assbot: Logged on 25-09-2015 01:22:51; mircea_popescu: machine can not do anything else during, if you're say making a large tarball at the same time odds are you'll cry.

01:42:34 mircea_popescu: it does fucking lock the io somehow.

01:42:44 asciilifeform: (for n00bz - consider a lock as analogous to an airplane toilet door)

01:43:19 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the blockchain is tough on the disk i/o, yes. as illustrated by the abysmal failure of pogo-with-mechanical-hdd

01:43:27 asciilifeform: but this is a separate thing.

01:43:39 mircea_popescu: aite

01:45:37 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-09-2015#1285102 << presently they are quite unlike! hash type for general-purpose message signing is ~selectable~ from the handful of traditional algos; hash for signature ~of keys~ is hardwired to sha1 !

01:45:37 assbot: Logged on 25-09-2015 00:28:18; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-09-2015#1284796 << i suspek that's what they were trying to do with the sha1.

01:46:27 mircea_popescu: yeah but they were "oh, you know what, sigs for THIS really need to be dependably known"

01:46:34 mircea_popescu: sort of design-by-accident approach

01:46:38 asciilifeform: perhaps.

01:46:45 asciilifeform: but it is gnarly and broken.

01:46:53 asciilifeform: and no less so than if it had been designed to be.

01:47:00 mircea_popescu: perhaps.

01:47:11 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-09-2015#1285135 << it is also, to borrow a naggumism, theoretically ~possible~ for a mountain of garbage to lack a single fly.

01:47:11 assbot: Logged on 25-09-2015 01:13:17; mircea_popescu: Stroustrup said: ?You can write C++ programs that are statically type safe and have no resource leaks. You can do that without loss of performance and without limiting C++?s expressive power. This supports the general thesis that garbage collection is neither necessary nor sufficient for quality software. Our core C++ guidelines makes such code simpler to write than older styles of C++ and the safety

01:47:19 mircea_popescu: in any case : one of the things i'd like to see is non-familiar stuff.

01:47:23 mircea_popescu: !s cramer-shoup

01:47:24 assbot: 9 results for 'cramer-shoup' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=cramer-shoup

01:47:50 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-09-2013#333713 << first mentioned here almost two years ago to the day

01:47:50 assbot: Logged on 28-09-2013 09:10:42; mircea_popescu: my current curiosity in the field is why isn't cramer?shoup more widely usedf.

01:48:00 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i am very much leaning towards scriptable crypto.

01:48:04 asciilifeform: as in bitcoin's script.

01:48:25 mircea_popescu: i saw it in the logs. i dun know what to say of this as of yet.

01:48:29 asciilifeform: it CAN be implemented correctly.

01:48:31 BingoBoingo: Too far gone for makeup https://i.imgur.com/IuPprVq.jpg

01:48:32 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1G5T8Ux )

01:48:45 asciilifeform: this means, almost inescapably - ada. with proofs.

01:49:05 asciilifeform: probably i am doomed to do this.

01:50:09 asciilifeform: (the set of mathematical operations used in crypto is quite limited, well-defined, and does not require a turing-complete interpreter to fully encompass.)

01:50:41 asciilifeform: the specificity-of-diddle 'theorem' more or less demands this approach.

01:51:01 asciilifeform: see also

01:51:05 asciilifeform: !s no formats no format wars

01:51:05 assbot: 9 results for 'no formats no format wars' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=no+formats+no+format+wars

01:52:04 mircea_popescu: https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/3m91ls/eyewitness_people_walking_out_of_bitpay_office_in/ <<< ahjahaha check it out, buttcoin crew is confronted with a dilemma between their own stated goals and their own mental capacities.

01:52:05 assbot: Eyewitness: People Walking Out of BitPay Office in Tears : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1KTnNtX )

01:52:06 mircea_popescu: o noes, you lose.

01:52:08 mircea_popescu: derps.

01:52:21 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-09-2015#1285144 << the thing spoken of, i think, was the annoying tendency of every isp we sit down on to molest the packetz

01:52:21 assbot: Logged on 25-09-2015 01:17:01; mircea_popescu: but on the subject : the only thing that matters is the value transferred. any other approach is a waste of time.

01:52:46 asciilifeform: (or the backbone, if you like, molests. i don't care who. there is exactly one pill against this.)

01:52:54 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, i get it, you want encrypted channel for bitcoind

01:53:16 asciilifeform: more importantly, authenticated.

01:53:18 asciilifeform: bitwise.

01:53:35 mircea_popescu: myeah.

01:53:39 mircea_popescu: it adds overhead.

01:53:48 asciilifeform: 'thou shalt not add, neither shall thou take away' - that kind of thing.

01:54:23 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: we spend so much time waiting on i/o that cpu is largely idle.

01:54:25 asciilifeform: measure it.

01:54:43 mircea_popescu: well the chinese surely do.

01:54:55 asciilifeform: the illusion of cpu-boundedness really comes from the idiot serial-verify of block tx-en

01:55:16 asciilifeform: there is absolutely no reason for it save the fact that i have not had personally the time to shoot it in the head

01:55:37 asciilifeform: (the pill is to spawn p+1 threads, where p is cpu count, and parcel out verification jobs to the workers)

01:55:54 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=12-01-2015#973977 << check it out, we can truly be a cult now.

01:55:54 assbot: Logged on 12-01-2015 03:09:44; mircea_popescu: BitPay will soon be dead. They probably make $1000 per month revenue and burn around $500K.

01:55:58 mircea_popescu: we even have a prophet.

01:56:14 asciilifeform: i still don't grasp ~what~ they spent it on

01:56:24 asciilifeform: why would an outfit like bitpay even have expenses on top of bandwidth ?

01:56:27 mircea_popescu: you're not a businessman, so how would you.

01:56:45 asciilifeform: i'm not a violinist either. but i understand how strings make sound...

01:56:47 mircea_popescu: (hint : they spent it ALL on trying to give people just like you the illusion that mansions, and lizard hitler.

01:57:12 mircea_popescu: just like the spam "mmwys" kids spend it all on trying to give other jerky teenagers the illusion that "mmwys".)

01:57:24 asciilifeform: !s mmwys

01:57:25 assbot: 0 results for 'mmwys' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=mmwys

01:57:27 asciilifeform: hm

01:57:34 mircea_popescu: make money while i fuck your sister.

01:57:38 asciilifeform: ah

01:57:40 asciilifeform: l0l

01:57:41 mircea_popescu: or thereabouts.

01:58:05 BingoBoingo: http://imageham.com/images/2015/09/24/image6e6ff.jpg << BitPay spending

01:58:08 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1KToi7a )

01:58:43 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-09-2015#1285161 << i once suggested, iirc, 'rsync'. the beauty of 'v' is that it does not really matter ~how~ you marshall the bits around, given that every operation verifies every single bit of your tree.

01:58:43 assbot: Logged on 25-09-2015 01:25:01; mod6: so asciilifeform & mircea_popescu, I added a sync mechinism for V. but wanted to discuss it a bit, not sure if it's whats really ideal or anything.

01:58:49 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> why would an outfit like bitpay even have expenses on top of bandwidth ? << Their office is literally around the block from a hooters knockoff that does pizza instead of wings. They spent on location

01:59:12 asciilifeform: rsync would need a pre-write hook so that it only accepts 'push' attempts that end up sig-verifying

01:59:18 asciilifeform: but other than this, unmodified

01:59:51 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: but why did it even need a physical office ?! the only possible explanation is mircea_popescu's...

02:00:07 asciilifeform: (chumpatronic engineering)

02:00:17 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Needed physical office for stotting

02:00:31 BingoBoingo: Have dollars will rent

02:00:42 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if i sign on gavin's dumbass "proposal", it's directly obvious to anyone what happened.

02:00:51 mircea_popescu: if gallippi wants to play the adult and "sign declarations", what's that mean ?

02:00:55 mircea_popescu: gotta have something. what he got ?

02:01:26 mircea_popescu: "some bum said some things nobody card about" ? he doesn't want it to be like that.

02:01:54 mircea_popescu: he wants to pretend he's sorta kinda like me, were i to exist (which i don't, OOOOBVIOUSLY). so...

02:02:15 asciilifeform: ;;later tell mod6 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-09-2015#1285169 << the way i suggested doing it is to avoid having multiple classes of signed objects. manifest for a release would be merely another kind of patch - one that simply takes every leaf that is to form part of the release head, and add a comment to the top of the file, 'REL-xxx.' this auto-gloms the leaves into a single patch 'handle', think about it.

02:02:15 assbot: Logged on 25-09-2015 01:27:12; mod6: one possibility to publish releases in the future now that we have V is to create a manifest of V patches and have the co-chairs sign the manifest, as well as the patches.

02:02:15 gribble: The operation succeeded.

02:02:59 asciilifeform: ;;later tell mod6 after this, anyone who wants to build THAT release merely needs to 'grab' ~that~ patch and 'v' does the rest.

02:02:59 gribble: The operation succeeded.

02:03:16 asciilifeform: this property of a system is called 'orthogonality'

02:03:22 asciilifeform: it is the thing children like about 'lego'

02:03:26 Pierre_Rochard: BingoBoingo: rent wasn’t actually that much, ~3 people’s salaries. Employed ~70 people

02:03:27 asciilifeform: there is precisely 1 kind of thing.

02:03:46 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i thought he just meant signing patches.

02:03:56 BingoBoingo: Pierre_Rochard: Interesting. I would have thought nice place downtown in the cool area would have cost more.

02:03:58 mod6: asciilifeform: hey, thanks for your input/thoughts there.

02:04:03 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as i understood it, he was speaking of signing manifests

02:04:31 asciilifeform: but this way, a release is simply a vpatch that adds a 'this is part of such-and-such release' comment to a set of files in such a way that the desired leaves are brought into the release.

02:04:35 mircea_popescu: no, just make a special patch (for historical reasons called a manifest) that does exactly what you describe

02:04:44 asciilifeform: then yes.

02:04:51 mircea_popescu: well it's what i read anyway.

02:05:12 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you don't understand. it's not the place that's cheap

02:05:18 asciilifeform: this way, no one who wants to get a release ever needs to do anything but ordinary operation of 'v'.

02:05:20 mircea_popescu: it's dumbass "employees" doing nothing that are EXPENSIVE

02:05:28 Pierre_Rochard: ^^^ that

02:05:31 asciilifeform: no screwing with pgp separately, no untarring, etc.

02:05:49 mircea_popescu: could have had a stable of indians doing the same job for 1.5% of the cost and 0.0x% of the liabilities.

02:06:05 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: perhaps they had a stable of indians also

02:06:06 mod6: right, i want the sync mech to work inside of the bounds of V.

02:06:18 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform perhaps they fucked madonna as well.

02:06:20 mircea_popescu: what's it do for them ?

02:06:48 Pierre_Rochard: asciilifeform: no indians, a few argentinians (great devs fwiw)

02:06:51 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is actually very common in usa software shops. indians produce mountain of horror, and then a handful of other people - clean it

02:06:56 mircea_popescu: yeah, great devs.

02:07:03 mircea_popescu: they sit around and talk a splendid talk.

02:08:31 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform these were fucking http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1280920

02:08:31 assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 11:28:01; mircea_popescu: which is weird because where the fuck would she get moneyz.

02:08:46 mircea_popescu: except no big tits, no nude at home, and no eating dogfood. just, derpage and pretense.

02:08:57 asciilifeform: i confess to having wondered if anyone in .ar writes software

02:09:06 mod6: ok so. release vpatch would be creating a new vertex that has edges coming from the current leafs.

02:09:12 mircea_popescu: they mostly like to write ~about~ things.

02:09:14 mod6: am I understanding that correctly?

02:09:22 asciilifeform: mod6: correct

02:09:22 Pierre_Rochard: mircea_popescu: I know JS & a mobile wallet are anathema here, but they shipped Copay: https://github.com/bitpay/copay/graphs/contributors

02:09:23 assbot: Contributors to bitpay/copay · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1G5ViUl )

02:09:31 mod6: ok neat-o

02:09:36 mod6: i like it.

02:09:40 asciilifeform: mod6: same topology as the hook of a mesh bag

02:09:50 asciilifeform: one point by which you 'lift' the whole mess.

02:10:02 mircea_popescu: Pierre_Rochard yes, there are some passible webdevs in argentina.

02:10:12 mod6: sure, makes sense

02:10:52 mod6: appreciate the input here, im gonna ponder this for a bit.

02:10:56 mircea_popescu: sciencehatesyouSorry for your loss 2 points 58 minutes ago This is sad, and it's just a shitpost from Mircea the Rapist's QNTRA << check it out, sciencehatesme.

02:11:02 mircea_popescu: are you fat, yo ?

02:12:18 mircea_popescu: "Moving along, this document is document ."

02:12:27 mircea_popescu: ahaha cazalla that qntra ascii thing is the lulz.

02:14:05 Pierre_Rochard: my ‘favorite’ bitpay boondoggles: https://bitpay.com/chaindb.pdf https://github.com/bitpay/foxtrot https://bitpay.com/getbits

02:14:05 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1KTpFCR )

02:14:07 assbot: bitpay/foxtrot · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1KTpFCV )

02:14:08 assbot: Get Bits: Get bitcoin from your friends. ... ( http://bit.ly/1KTpEyE )

02:15:29 mircea_popescu: anyway. all the derps that wanna say things about how a non-bitcoin company's management reflects poorly on anything but the well known, amply documented and oft discussed ineptitude of the VC circus : feel free to suck a cock.

02:15:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41100 @ 0.00073439 = 30.1834 BTC [-] {4}

02:16:36 Pierre_Rochard: for the record: http://indexventures.com/news-room/news/bitcoin-payments-pioneer-bitpay-raises-record-30m-in-series-a-led-by-index-ventures

02:16:37 assbot: Bitcoin payments pioneer BitPay raises record $30M in Series A led by Index Ventures | Index Ventures ... ( http://bit.ly/1KTpPdl )

02:17:12 mircea_popescu: im kinda sad nobody bought their shares, but anyway.

02:17:36 mircea_popescu: With total accumulated investment reaching $32.7M, BitPay has now raised more venture funding than any other bitcoin startup. << this is drastically false.

02:18:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49058 @ 0.00073174 = 35.8977 BTC [-] {3}

02:19:54 Pierre_Rochard: In any case, a textbook illustration of http://fraudsters.com/2012/the-problem-of-too-much-money/

02:19:55 assbot: The problem of too much money on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1G5WmaJ )

02:20:33 mircea_popescu: you can't have a venture without a ceo.

02:20:45 mircea_popescu: and this doesn't mean, pick up your hair artist best friend and promote him.

02:23:19 BingoBoingo: https://i.imgur.com/0vPiN2N.png

02:23:20 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1KTqmMm )

02:27:36 mircea_popescu: !rated crescendo

02:27:36 assbot: You have not rated crescendo.

02:28:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26361 @ 0.00073842 = 19.4655 BTC [+] {3}

02:29:07 mircea_popescu: !rate crescendo -1 Aka Eric Martindale. Nice job trying to sell me/MPEx bitpay shares a week before information was to come out that'd render them worthless. Say hello to Daphna for me.

02:29:07 assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/185914ec8e8cbb9d

02:29:34 mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.crescendo.-1:2aea276f4b159d2520ba164116a6cbd83cc0b987fb7d716a7c0578da4f9d1feb

02:29:36 assbot: Successfully added a rating of -1 for crescendo with note: Aka Eric Martindale. Nice job trying to sell me/MPEx bitpay shares a week before information was to come out that'd render them worthless. Say hello to Daphna for me.

02:30:00 BingoBoingo: O.o

02:30:56 mircea_popescu: kids. because http://fraudsters.com/2012/bitcoin-is-creating-a-whole-new-set-of-problems/

02:30:57 assbot: Bitcoin is creating a whole new set of problems on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1WzS1qA )

02:31:06 cazalla: mircea_popescu, pdf reads better as it is clear where the blackouts are (everywhere), perhaps i should've taken screencaps instead

02:31:14 mircea_popescu: cazalla nah it's good as is.

02:31:23 mircea_popescu: let them fucking explain where the words went, what do you care.

02:32:18 cazalla: http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-processor-bitpay-reduces-staff-in-cost-cutting-effort/2nd paragraph lol

02:32:19 assbot: CoinDesk - Page not found ... ( http://bit.ly/1KTqX0O )

02:32:28 cazalla: http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-processor-bitpay-reduces-staff-in-cost-cutting-effort/ even

02:32:28 assbot: Bitcoin Processor BitPay Reduces Staff in Cost-Cutting Effort ... ( http://bit.ly/1KTr0tl )

02:33:13 mircea_popescu: check it out, they learned how to link !

02:33:48 mircea_popescu: in other news, the "strategic superiority rehash" thing is like the most read fraudsters article. i don't think this ever happened before for a day old item.

02:37:38 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-09-2015#1285365 << !! where do i pick up my airworthy pig !?

02:37:38 assbot: Logged on 25-09-2015 02:33:13; mircea_popescu: check it out, they learned how to link !

02:37:54 *: asciilifeform did not expect to live to see this

02:39:26 asciilifeform: also there is not yet the obligatory 'bitcoin died!!!111' nyooz piece! what witchcraft is this.

02:39:50 asciilifeform: in other nyooz from same fishwrap,

02:39:52 asciilifeform: 'To set up the KeepKey wallet, users need to install a Google Chrome extension on their browser.'

02:40:16 asciilifeform: for the love of god, montrezor!!!11

02:41:04 cazalla: asciilifeform, i'd say someone slipped it past the editor and it will later be removed

02:42:00 mircea_popescu: should be funny then, because https://archive.is/Xhemn

02:42:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16650 @ 0.00074057 = 12.3305 BTC [+] {3}

02:42:55 mircea_popescu: for the lulz : http://dpaste.com/3VDEQ9W << this is how a pageload looks on that site. three fucking pages worth of crap.

02:42:57 assbot: dpaste: 3VDEQ9W ... ( http://bit.ly/1G5YGP2 )

02:43:06 asciilifeform: 'KeepKey is actually a fork of the Trezor project. We have maintained compatibility through development, and are compatible with Trezor v1.3.3.' << l0l

02:43:24 asciilifeform: have a glass of amontillado !

02:46:13 mircea_popescu: a.disquscdn.com ; api.coindesk.com ; api.tumra.com ; as.ebz.io ; asset.pagefair.com ; b.scorecardresearch.com ; cas.criteo.com ; cdn.taboola.com ; d3ewslr5655zon.cloudfront.net ; hello.myfonts.net ; i.skimresources.com ; loadus.exelator.com ; partner.googleadservices.com ; pixel.quantserve.com ; tpc.googlesyndication.com ; www.google-analytics.com ; www.reddit.com

02:46:35 mircea_popescu: it's like... at some point it's gonna be easier to specify which you're not pulling in.

02:48:23 mircea_popescu: in other news, from the ever-lower camp, https://www.reddit.com/r/ethtrader/comments/3m77sh/is_stephans_warning_prophetic/

02:48:24 assbot: Is Stephan's warning prophetic? : ethtrader ... ( http://bit.ly/1KTrVdn )

02:48:33 mircea_popescu: "the lower price actually helps to more evenly distribute ETH."

02:48:52 mircea_popescu: it only shed 10% in a day, WHATCOULDPOSSIBLYGOWRONG

02:51:50 midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: Do you mind me asking how long ago he tried to sell those?

02:54:57 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-09-2015#1285107 << mircea_popescu has a cat ?!

02:54:58 assbot: Logged on 25-09-2015 00:31:57; mircea_popescu: https://i.imgur.com/xTTVeOb.jpg << dude who stole my cat.

02:55:04 asciilifeform: like, a four-legged beast ?

02:55:26 asciilifeform: the kind that eats mice ?

02:58:49 mircea_popescu: 16th

02:59:06 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah, just a funny comment.

02:59:12 asciilifeform: ah l0l

02:59:20 asciilifeform: i had this notion that mircea_popescu actually had one

02:59:28 asciilifeform: possibly it was from an ancient article

02:59:29 mircea_popescu: at some point, but notrly.

03:00:30 *: asciilifeform for some reason can only picture mircea_popescu with four-legged creatures of man-eating size - leopards, jaguars, etc

03:00:44 mircea_popescu: had a friend who kept a whole fucking zoo

03:00:54 mircea_popescu: seems a little weird to me, really.

03:01:11 asciilifeform: had tiger ?

03:04:38 mircea_popescu: had lions

03:04:39 mircea_popescu: plural.

03:05:18 asciilifeform: spiffy!

03:05:21 *: asciilifeform envious

03:05:24 mircea_popescu: bears, whatnot.

03:05:36 mircea_popescu: gypsy guy, they have a thing for these.

03:14:34 BingoBoingo: https://www.reddit.com/r/bitcoinxt/comments/3mae94/eyewitness_people_walking_out_of_bitpay_office_in/

03:14:35 assbot: Eyewitness: People Walking Out of BitPay Office in Tears (Confirmed by BitPay Investor Khan's rag) : bitcoinxt ... ( http://bit.ly/1KTtN5Q )

03:17:12 mircea_popescu: http://www.technologyreview.com/news/541686/banks-embrace-bitcoins-heart-but-not-its-soul/ << ahahaha

03:17:13 assbot: Bitcoin Is Left a Wallflower as Banks Borrow Some of Its Features to Boost Efficiency | MIT Technology Review ... ( http://bit.ly/1KTtOXk )

03:17:15 mircea_popescu: o god the butthurt.

03:17:25 mircea_popescu: hey mit... it's not my fault you were left a wallflower.

03:17:44 mircea_popescu: a) shouldn't have got fat ; b) when the other sluts went to the twerking class, you should have been there already.

03:22:12 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --marker all

03:22:12 gribble: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitfinex. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure (1 more message)

03:22:20 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all

03:22:27 BingoBoingo: ;;more

03:22:27 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 233.33, vol: 19601.02958393 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 232.899, vol: 6645.20581 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 233.53, vol: 15361.62812544 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 244.99, vol: 0.487 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 236.512416, vol: 20525.26750000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 234.0, vol: 112.30187716 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 236.80397766, vol: 81.62296501 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)

03:22:28 gribble: 234.387199685

03:22:56 BingoBoingo: Looks like Fall drama season is in full swing everywhere but exchange reported prices

03:24:32 asciilifeform: https://www.predict.org << lulzy

03:24:40 assbot: PREDICT - Home ... ( http://bit.ly/1LQYl4z )

03:25:39 hanbot: up 10% no?

03:27:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31500 @ 0.00073735 = 23.2265 BTC [-]

03:28:00 BingoBoingo: hanbot: Looks kinda flat, but I guess one could say up 10% from some chosen marker

03:32:10 BingoBoingo: Just seems to be stuck in this range of prices

03:35:36 BingoBoingo: !t m d.bpay

03:35:36 assbot: Good morning, may you serve the Lord, and may His holy dominion guide you through your dismal life.

03:35:50 hanbot: amen.

03:35:51 BingoBoingo: !t m D.BPAY

03:35:51 assbot: I thought I told you not to touch me.

03:35:58 BingoBoingo: ow, shucks

03:47:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34700 @ 0.00073821 = 25.6159 BTC [+] {3}

03:49:25 mircea_popescu: it doesn't show up if it doesn't trade within the mointh.

03:59:05 BingoBoingo: Ah, just the orderbook looks like it moved

04:14:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14476 @ 0.00073602 = 10.6546 BTC [-]

04:16:28 BingoBoingo: !up brg444 You need the key to up yourself

04:16:59 BingoBoingo: Perhaps if away and with urgent business use a nick like brg444_AtBar ?

04:17:44 brg444: noted. thanks

04:18:30 brg444: anybody here care for this dude Trace Mayer? never really bothered with him but thought he had couple of good insights in this interview https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHXfEJD6DUk

04:18:31 assbot: Trace Mayer: "We need to remove the smell from bitcoin" - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1LBcoQ8 )

04:19:32 brg444: says there is supposedly a BTC exchange in Switzerland moving more BTC than all exchanges combined but staying on the low because of FATCA

04:19:55 cazalla: ooh that smell

04:19:56 brg444: (obviously that would likely not include MPEX)

04:20:15 cazalla: brg444, obviously it's only smellz

04:23:41 brg444: judging by the way he was going in on the lad likely the smell he refers to is Gavin :D

04:26:53 brg444: about that, of course "there is nothing new in this world" but I thought this part was particularly lulzy : dude was having lunch with the power rangers (adam back, gmaxwell & gavin) and asked "why do we hire Bitcoin" to which Back & Maxwell replied "monetary sovereignty" and Gavin "because I feel warm and fuzzy when I make a payment".. smh

04:27:59 deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Malaysian Ringgit to continue collapse - http://bitbet.us/bet/1207/malaysian-ringgit-to-continue-collapse/#b3

04:30:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40450 @ 0.0007407 = 29.9613 BTC [+]

04:32:26 cazalla: brg444, i listened to this podcast a little but it seemed to be not much more than an avenue to market whatever junk he has invested ein

04:34:11 mod6: asciilifeform: ok, done this now. created 'test-release.vpatch' which has incoming edges from all current leaves; this was a decent test for my code too.

04:34:14 mod6: worked good!

04:36:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42500 @ 0.00073287 = 31.147 BTC [-] {3}

04:36:30 brg444: cazalla, well he's wrong on a couple of things but I think it is a valuable service to remind everyone of why Bitcoin is there and how much money was wasted targeting broken business plans

04:36:54 brg444: (although it does look funny in the light now considering he's an investor in Bitpay)

04:38:50 brg444: I don't recall him pushing any service or company...

04:41:08 brg444: anyways, thought there was some interesting nuggets in there (switzerland exchange and the little bit about how Venezuelans using BTC to escape capital control)

04:52:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22493 @ 0.00074003 = 16.6455 BTC [+]

04:58:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29985 @ 0.00073109 = 21.9217 BTC [-] {3}

05:28:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5475 @ 0.00073025 = 3.9981 BTC [-]

05:31:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51950 @ 0.00073593 = 38.2316 BTC [+]

05:50:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52026 @ 0.00072939 = 37.9472 BTC [-] {3}

05:52:27 cazalla: ;;later tell brg444 when i said this podcast, i meant his podcast, not that specific one you linked to on jewtube

05:52:29 gribble: The operation succeeded.

05:54:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11300 @ 0.00073593 = 8.316 BTC [+]

06:06:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41950 @ 0.00072919 = 30.5895 BTC [-] {2}

06:12:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46900 @ 0.00072911 = 34.1953 BTC [-] {3}

06:14:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47196 @ 0.00072908 = 34.4097 BTC [-] {2}

06:16:20 deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - The ETH scam won't see 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1199/the-eth-scam-wont-see-2016/#b31

06:50:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19500 @ 0.00072908 = 14.2171 BTC [-]

07:02:45 punkman: 2005: look at this, I can get my toaster to run Linux! / 2015: bleh, my toaster runs Linux / 2025: I wish I could get a toaster without Linux

07:06:11 fluffypony: punkman: the "retro" crap has already started, have you seen that Casio calculator that was released?

07:06:41 punkman: fluffypony: does it run android?

07:07:09 fluffypony: http://www.extravaganzi.com/would-you-pay-225-for-casios-calculator/

07:07:11 assbot: Would You Pay $225 For Casio's Calculator? - eXtravaganzi ... ( http://bit.ly/1KFVfAk )

07:07:29 fluffypony: http://inventorspot.com/articles/casio-s100-flagship-pocket-calculator-celebrates-50-years-calcul

07:07:30 assbot: Casio S100 Flagship Pocket Calculator Celebrates 50 Years Of Calculated Progress ... ( http://bit.ly/1KFVj3g )

07:07:40 fluffypony: it's "retro" because it's just a calculator

07:07:54 punkman: nothing wrong with that

07:09:19 fluffypony: no I know, I'm just saying that the "I wish I could get a toaster without Linux" movement has already started :-P

07:12:04 punkman: you got a point there, but perhaps the movement always exists, a counterweight to "progress"

07:14:17 ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-09-2015#1285351 << https://www.linkedin.com/in/martindale

07:14:17 assbot: Logged on 25-09-2015 02:29:07; mircea_popescu: !rate crescendo -1 Aka Eric Martindale. Nice job trying to sell me/MPEx bitpay shares a week before information was to come out that'd render them worthless. Say hello to Daphna for me.

07:14:18 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1KFVVWw )

07:16:15 punkman: https://twitter.com/iworkforvice

07:16:17 assbot: i work for vice (@iworkforvice) | Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1KFW9gf )

07:24:13 punkman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vuJZDwo-rk

07:24:14 assbot: Cat finds out his place is bugged. - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1OWU2dk )

07:24:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19350 @ 0.00072955 = 14.1168 BTC [+]

07:25:16 cazalla: that is the second time today i've seen manuls

07:25:38 punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPsB7EeUEAQWVyt.jpg:large

07:25:39 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1OWU9pl )

07:25:46 punkman: !up evilthomas

07:31:59 punkman: "People finding xss in sites and contacting them to see if they have bounties are the equiv of homeless people washing your dirty windshield"

07:34:45 punkman: hah "Heard often on fed P25 radio in Philly today: "Turn your encryption off. I can't hear you""

07:41:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49582 @ 0.00073022 = 36.2058 BTC [+] {3}

07:42:29 punkman: http://www.cre8asiteforums.com/forums/uploads/monthly_09_2015/post-6465-0-09151400-1443109950.gif

07:42:30 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1OWVRXK )

07:50:54 cazalla: been that way for a while punkman, half the reason i never made money while i slept!

07:51:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4441 @ 0.00073149 = 3.2485 BTC [+]

07:52:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33883 @ 0.00073623 = 24.9457 BTC [+] {2}

07:55:02 shinohai: http://newscrusher.com/video/girl-speaks-fluent-american/ <<< surprisingly apt representation of youth in america.

07:55:03 assbot: Girl “Speaks Fluent American”, Doesn’t Really Have A Clue About Anything | NewsCrusher ... ( http://bit.ly/1OWX15A )

07:56:00 punkman: http://anasaremeyawanas.org/letters-of-commendation/

07:56:02 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1OWX8hx )

07:56:30 punkman: "Anas Aremeyaw Anas is known for, as he calls it, the “naming, shaming and jailing” of criminals all over Ghana – yet few people would be able to pick him out of a crowd."

07:57:53 cazalla: shinohai, she gives the subtle troll away at 1:01

08:03:29 shinohai: 'tis hilarious though, a righteous lampoon.

08:09:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20034 @ 0.00073562 = 14.7374 BTC [-] {2}

08:19:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23318 @ 0.00073216 = 17.0725 BTC [-] {3}

08:25:41 hdbuck: http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-34292809

08:25:42 assbot: Neo-Nazi, radical feminist and violent jihadist - all at once - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1OX0iSd )

08:29:01 hdbuck: qntra hit coindesk nao?! http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-processor-bitpay-reduces-staff-in-cost-cutting-effort/

08:29:02 assbot: Bitcoin Processor BitPay Reduces Staff in Cost-Cutting Effort ... ( http://bit.ly/1KTr0tl )

08:39:12 shinohai: BitPay has reduced the size of its staff in an effort to recoup losses due to inept management that lead to hax.

08:47:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26950 @ 0.00073644 = 19.8471 BTC [+] {3}

08:49:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10829 @ 0.00072908 = 7.8952 BTC [-]

09:01:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18700 @ 0.00072908 = 13.6338 BTC [-]

09:11:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30200 @ 0.00073916 = 22.3226 BTC [+]

09:25:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.000729 = 14.58 BTC [-] {3}

09:28:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20300 @ 0.00073301 = 14.8801 BTC [+]

09:41:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23950 @ 0.00072895 = 17.4584 BTC [-]

09:51:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54093 @ 0.00072845 = 39.404 BTC [-] {3}

10:15:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47224 @ 0.00072881 = 34.4173 BTC [+] {3}

10:22:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31592 @ 0.00072596 = 22.9345 BTC [-] {3}

10:26:30 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-09-2015#1285441 << dudes that go "we" on youtube ARE the smell.

10:26:30 assbot: Logged on 25-09-2015 04:18:30; brg444: anybody here care for this dude Trace Mayer? never really bothered with him but thought he had couple of good insights in this interview https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHXfEJD6DUk

10:27:43 mircea_popescu: dude the notion that someone has a currency named "ringgit"... give 'em a carrot already an' pat their ears back, too fucking cute.

10:28:03 shinohai: rimmit

10:28:57 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-09-2015#1285455 you mean like, http://fraudsters.com/2013/the-future-of-bitcoin-regulation/#selection-107.0-107.500 ?

10:28:57 assbot: Logged on 25-09-2015 04:36:30; brg444: cazalla, well he's wrong on a couple of things but I think it is a valuable service to remind everyone of why Bitcoin is there and how much money was wasted targeting broken business plans

10:28:58 assbot: The future of Bitcoin regulation on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1KyS2ol )

10:29:47 mircea_popescu: to get to the point : it is not a valuable service to try and interpose oneself in front of actual power and pretend relationship. nor could it ever be. nor is it a sane or useful "strategy", nor does it ever work worth a shit.

10:30:33 mircea_popescu: "we" don't need random derp on youtubue to rehash what mp says a year-two later forgetting to mention the source. not because mp gives a shit, but because the sort of "we" that actually end up thinking their plastics are "made in the usa" generally get raped and can't figure out why.

10:31:29 mircea_popescu: if there weren't a pile of these "we"s running around, people^H^H^H^H reddit wouldn't be puzzling in the land of the lost "omaigawd bitcoinxt" etc.

10:32:13 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-09-2015#1285472 << heh. progress.

10:32:13 assbot: Logged on 25-09-2015 07:02:45; punkman: 2005: look at this, I can get my toaster to run Linux! / 2015: bleh, my toaster runs Linux / 2025: I wish I could get a toaster without Linux

10:32:44 mircea_popescu: "1965 hey look at this, they make houses out plastic now / 1985 bleh, my house is made out of plastic / 2005 i wish i could get a house not made of plastic"

10:34:15 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes wut ?

10:39:06 shinohai: i have one of those light switches w/ android

10:40:48 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-09-2015#1285507 << 0 hearts 0 like 0 pinterest 0 etc. because http://fraudsters.com/2013/stage-n-bitcoin-exists/#selection-105.169-105.520

10:40:48 assbot: Logged on 25-09-2015 07:56:30; punkman: "Anas Aremeyaw Anas is known for, as he calls it, the “naming, shaming and jailing” of criminals all over Ghana – yet few people would be able to pick him out of a crowd."

10:40:49 assbot: Stage n: Bitcoin exists. on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1YF2TVp )

10:41:10 mircea_popescu: they got social media to "share ideas and stuff" just as long as those ideas are you know, easy, self flattering and funny.

10:41:14 mircea_popescu: shiny happy people!

10:42:34 shinohai: free slaps?

10:43:00 mircea_popescu: how about free hunger and poverty.

10:43:25 mircea_popescu: and free strippings nude, free whippings and free strychnine injections.

10:43:29 mircea_popescu: you too can be an entertainer!

10:43:48 punkman: oh he's all over the social media in US/UK, even Obama mentioned him. at least as long as he stays in Ghana.

10:44:09 mircea_popescu: aha.

10:46:07 punkman: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/24/anas-aremeya-anas-ghana-corruption

10:46:08 assbot: Ghana's top undercover journalist masters disguise to expose corruption | World news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1KyTOWE )

10:46:33 mircea_popescu: punkman no buti mean, the widgets oir w/e on the page in question

10:47:12 punkman: yeah just a sample of what the "media" is writing about him

10:47:56 mircea_popescu: pretty kickass name anyway

10:48:21 shinohai: troll: https://i.imgur.com/4Ra4p98.png

10:48:22 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1YF3u9k )

10:48:26 mircea_popescu: o noes, look at that, eth is not a coin to trade but a technology ever closer to 3

10:50:35 mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQ5n6EMgPq0

10:50:36 assbot: Marlene Dietrich: Where Have All The Flowers Gone? (Royal Variety Performance. 1963) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1YF3Cpr )

10:56:34 shinohai: o rly? https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/3m8547/ethereumwalletorg/

10:56:35 assbot: ethereumwallet.org : ethereum ... ( http://bit.ly/1KyUUBQ )

10:57:05 shinohai: ~1700

10:58:41 punkman: "Running the code locally is better, but I think even the github code could be updated to leak keys to an external server. Wouldn't we need audited milestones with crc checks to be secure?"

10:58:55 mircea_popescu: "Wait. So someone purchased etherwallet.org (a premium domain name worth a not trivial amount of money most likely), put the work into creating an actual functional wallet with a pretty decent design, spent weeks promoting it, and for what? $1400? What is this? Kindergarten?"

10:59:01 mircea_popescu: ahaha PREMIUMDOMAINNAME

10:59:04 mircea_popescu: jezuz.

10:59:14 mircea_popescu: these freaks really think everything's worth money don't they.

11:01:17 mircea_popescu: but coming back to the issue, isn't "ethereum the webthreezeroeum technologee" supposed to have scripted contracts or something to be the future of future moneys ?

11:01:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22100 @ 0.00073301 = 16.1995 BTC [+]

11:01:32 mircea_popescu: did i fundamentally misunderstand what the promotional lie was supposed to be ?

11:02:47 mircea_popescu: and in other lolnews, http://thefreethoughtproject.com/irs-agent-arrested-demanding-20000-bribe-seattle-cannabis-shop-owner/

11:02:47 assbot: IRS Agent Busted for Attempting to Extort $20,000 from Cannabis Shop Owner | The Free Thought Project ... ( http://bit.ly/1KyVuj1 )

11:03:13 mircea_popescu: because clearly teh irs is such a respectable, law abiding institution.

11:07:16 fluffypony: punkman: lol CRC checks

11:07:28 fluffypony: tell them 1992 called and it wants its easily-defeated crap back

11:08:48 mircea_popescu: what you can add like comments in the file and shit ?

11:09:04 mircea_popescu: NOBODY COULD HAVE FORETOLD!

11:19:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38548 @ 0.00073453 = 28.3147 BTC [+] {3}

11:20:34 davout: that is, if anyone actually checks them

11:32:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58600 @ 0.00073311 = 42.9602 BTC [-] {5}

11:33:58 jurov: !t m x.eur

11:33:58 assbot: [MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.004 / 0.00438369 / 0.00492306 (460 shares, 2.02 BTC), 30D: 0.004 / 0.00471241 / 0.00492306 (4734 shares, 22.31 BTC)

11:34:16 jurov: ;;calc 1/0.004

11:34:17 gribble: 250

11:34:20 jurov: whoa

11:34:43 jurov: ;;ticker --currency eur --market bitcoin-central

11:34:44 gribble: Bitcoin-Central BTCEUR ticker | Best bid: 211.5, Best ask: 212.499, Bid-ask spread: 0.99900, Last trade: 212.499, 24 hour volume: 90.15698134, 24 hour low: 205.00006001, 24 hour high: 212.82, 24 hour vwap: 209.84152397

11:43:59 jurov: but davout's bot is mia, again

11:44:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.00073916 = 6.0611 BTC [+]

11:45:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25550 @ 0.00073937 = 18.8909 BTC [+] {3}

12:23:30 davout: jurov: it doesn't really like my shitty internet apparently...

12:23:33 fluffypony: http://youtu.be/vgqG3ITMv1Q

12:23:34 assbot: The Big Short Trailer (2015) ‐ Paramount Pictures - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1NQSXmC )

12:25:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29300 @ 0.00073546 = 21.549 BTC [-]

12:47:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34900 @ 0.00073411 = 25.6204 BTC [-] {3}

12:51:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50001 @ 0.00073982 = 36.9917 BTC [+] {3}

12:56:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14298 @ 0.00072953 = 10.4308 BTC [-]

13:04:56 davout: jurov: tis back

13:11:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15600 @ 0.00072606 = 11.3265 BTC [-]

13:13:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12152 @ 0.00072606 = 8.8231 BTC [-]

13:14:55 mircea_popescu: http://www.diario.aw/2015/01/castigo-di-4-ana-di-prison-pa-homber-cu-a-hasi-sex-cu-su-propio-yiu-muher/ << check out the weird fucking portuguese spanish they use in aruba

13:14:58 assbot: Castigo di 4 aña di prison pa homber cu a hasi sex cu su propio yiu muher — Diario Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1jhxvfl )

13:15:04 mircea_popescu: (nominally, dutch speaking)

13:19:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17469 @ 0.00073996 = 12.9264 BTC [+] {3}

13:26:05 mircea_popescu: "Ah the old "got what they deserved" and "should have known better" racket. That applies to dumbass butter cultists but not the normal people who need jobs and happen to land at this company. "

13:26:20 mircea_popescu: ahahaha o god the bitpay thing has done such an irony twist on buttcoin

13:26:38 mircea_popescu: who knew unemployment is the true fear of the libertard.

13:26:43 mircea_popescu: gotta twist this knife more.

13:49:55 funkenstein_: whoa cool

13:50:06 funkenstein_: "Linguistic studies have shown that roughly two thirds of the words in Papiamentu's present vocabulary are of Iberian origin, a quarter are of Dutch origin,and some of Native American origin and the rest come from other tongues."

13:50:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28400 @ 0.0007401 = 21.0188 BTC [+] {3}

13:57:05 mircea_popescu: basically these are the remnants of the arawak

14:10:38 shinohai: weird

14:17:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3292 @ 0.00074021 = 2.4368 BTC [+]

14:32:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15130 @ 0.0007404 = 11.2023 BTC [+] {2}

14:33:51 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: thx for comment ! replied : http://www.contravex.com/2015/09/24/bitbet-is-the-prediction-market-which-means-its-basically-a-megaphone/#comment-31488

14:33:53 assbot: BitBet is THE prediction market, which means it’s basically a megaphone. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1LaWhdt )

14:34:20 asciilifeform: from the l0ltr0nz: https://theintercept.com/2015/09/25/gchq-radio-porn-spies-track-web-users-online-identities

14:34:22 assbot: From Radio to Porn, British Spies Track Web Users’ Online Identities ... ( http://bit.ly/1LaWmh3 )

14:38:04 asciilifeform: https://theintercept.com/document/2015/06/22/kaspersky-user-agent-strings << l0l! tax dollarz at werk !

14:38:05 assbot: Kaspersky User-Agent Strings - NSA - The Intercept ... ( http://bit.ly/1LaWWvh )

14:39:21 pete_dushenski: http://kernelmag.dailydot.com/issue-sections/headline-story/14353/small-chess-program-bootchess-nanochess/ << 468 byte chess code.

14:39:22 assbot: The bitter rivalry behind the world’s smallest chess program ... ( http://bit.ly/1LaX5il )

14:40:11 pete_dushenski: !up thestringpuller

14:40:18 thestringpuller: http://pre14.deviantart.net/f04e/th/pre/i/2012/135/7/2/ride_the_pig_by_ferrychick1-d4ztumi.jpg << there you go. airworthy pig. be warned its weakness is bees.

14:40:26 thestringpuller: asciilifeform: ^^^

14:40:45 pete_dushenski: who's that atop the pig ?

14:41:26 thestringpuller: Zim and Gir.

14:42:09 thestringpuller: Only think asciilifeform is that is a government pig.

14:43:12 thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: http://www.linuxlinks.com/article/20150222033906262/ChessBytes.html << i've had this in a tab for months. seems bootchess' reputation is becoming more renown. doesn't have castling and a few other things iirc

14:47:51 thestringpuller: Lol good ol Tyson: "People don't really understand a currency based on numerical equations. I personally still don't ... but I'm grateful to be a part of the revolution"

14:51:18 pete_dushenski: "Camera Restricta is a speculative design of a new kind of camera. It locates itself via GPS and searches online for photos that have been geotagged nearby. If the camera decides that too many photos have been taken at your location, it retracts the shutter and blocks the viewfinder. You can't take any more pictures here." << notbad for an 'artist' (philipp schmitt)

14:51:54 pete_dushenski: http://philippschmitt.com/projects/img/restricta-prohibited.jpg

14:51:54 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1LaYWUd )

14:55:54 pete_dushenski: ;;later tell kakobrekla do you have rss feeds for bit4x that could be added to deedbot- ? vis-a-vis http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=05-07-2015#1188325, i care !

14:55:55 assbot: Logged on 05-07-2015 17:25:22; kakobrekla: dunno if anyone particularity cares here, but you can now trade commodities (oil, food..), indices (SP500, DOW...) and bezzlestocks (apple, google..) with bitcoin on bit4x

14:55:55 gribble: The operation succeeded.

14:59:08 thestringpuller: just noticed there has never been a single truly trustworthy mining operation to date.

14:59:27 thestringpuller: from gigavps to asicminer to kncminer etc.

15:00:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10550 @ 0.00073822 = 7.7882 BTC [-]

15:00:48 pete_dushenski: gigavps was a vps service provider, not a miner, neh ?

15:02:24 pete_dushenski: plus, what do you look for in a 'mining operation' that would make it 'trustworthy' ?

15:02:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38448 @ 0.00073475 = 28.2497 BTC [-] {3}

15:03:28 pete_dushenski: that's a very vague statement. a garage full of asics could be an 'operation' and it could be in YOUR basement and therefore about as trustworthy as they come

15:03:45 pete_dushenski: i guess never say never ;/

15:03:57 kakobrekla: nah, no rss.

15:04:41 kakobrekla: there 10+ ticks per second, jiggabytes of garbage nobody that isnt trading wants to see

15:04:43 pete_dushenski: http://blogs.wsj.com/cmo/2015/08/28/draftkings-starts-fantasy-football-ad-binge/ << where fiat sports betting is at. $275 - 300 mn bezzlars for fantasy platforms that... advertise

15:04:44 assbot: DraftKings Starts Fantasy Football Ad Binge - CMO Today - WSJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lb12DA )

15:05:24 pete_dushenski: kakobrekla: larger trades a la 'bigbitbets' would be neat

15:05:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11600 @ 0.00074058 = 8.5907 BTC [+] {3}

15:05:40 pete_dushenski: doesn't have to be noisy

15:05:56 kakobrekla: that doesnt make any sense.

15:06:33 thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: gigavps was known for the perpetual mining bond on GLBSE gigabond or whatever. MP recently declassified some logs from him way back when proving it was a ponzi all along.

15:06:34 pete_dushenski: just publishing trades above X value doesn't make sense ?

15:07:07 kakobrekla: i dont see how it could

15:07:09 thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: http://fraudsters.com/2015/old-story/ << reference

15:07:44 kakobrekla: do you think my users define the price of aapl stock?

15:07:59 kakobrekla: or the quote on eurusd for that matter.

15:11:44 pete_dushenski: define ? no.

15:14:26 kakobrekla: so you see it would be random useless garbage metadata

15:16:50 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=05-07-2015#1188577

15:16:50 assbot: Logged on 05-07-2015 21:29:41; mircea_popescu: kakobrekla how about you do this specifically : a) make assbot make an hourly report with prices and volumes for each traded commodity ; b) make assbot spot a line trade for each time trade in a commodity goes > 100 btc ; c) make assbot keep a wallet for every person in l2 ; d) allow me to order buys and sells on bit4x via assbot, just gives me a hash to unpack like rating works now.

15:17:39 kakobrekla: nah.

15:17:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12600 @ 0.00073403 = 9.2488 BTC [-] {3}

15:18:01 pete_dushenski: you're the boss.

15:21:02 pete_dushenski: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/09/23/us/PopeMobile-History.html << francis is the worst. no latin. no taste.

15:21:05 assbot: Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lb3zxK )

15:21:59 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-09-2015#1285558 << lel

15:21:59 assbot: Logged on 25-09-2015 10:48:21; shinohai: troll: https://i.imgur.com/4Ra4p98.png

15:33:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7950 @ 0.00073354 = 5.8316 BTC [-]

15:35:15 pete_dushenski: !up thestringpuller

15:42:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8325 @ 0.00073354 = 6.1067 BTC [-]

16:03:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29614 @ 0.00074065 = 21.9336 BTC [+] {2}

16:04:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59646 @ 0.00074078 = 44.1846 BTC [+] {3}

16:07:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40100 @ 0.00073308 = 29.3965 BTC [-] {3}

16:19:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18282 @ 0.0007384 = 13.4994 BTC [+]

16:24:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 170534 @ 0.00073188 = 124.8104 BTC [-] {4}

16:30:33 BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field

16:41:47 pete_dushenski: "House Speaker John Boehner (R., Ohio), long under fire from conservatives within his own party, will resign Oct. 30."

16:43:58 pete_dushenski: https://twitter.com/TamerlaneBlog/status/647257147504332800 << Sun Sparcstation 20

16:45:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41051 @ 0.00072883 = 29.9192 BTC [-]

16:46:02 pete_dushenski: ^Computer used to design Lexus LS400

16:49:52 pete_dushenski: ls400 was the luxury sedan that launched the brand and turned the segment on its head, showing that high-end cars could be built to last, comfortable, and as boring as wallpaper paste

16:54:13 pete_dushenski: though for some reason the ls400 was never available with the optional in-dash fax machine that was in the toyota century https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPuD2D5VEAAl19N.jpg https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPuD2DyVEAAIUpw.jpg

16:54:14 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1YFIwau )

16:54:15 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1YFItvo )

16:55:45 pete_dushenski: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPsUXtgUEAAOvz5.jpg << moar pope francis having no taste.

16:55:45 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1YFIz62 )

16:56:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22309 @ 0.00073466 = 16.3895 BTC [+]

17:00:11 BingoBoingo: ;;later tell HeySteve Hello to you too

17:00:12 gribble: The operation succeeded.

17:02:05 pete_dushenski: ETH Last Price 0.00326000 24hr Change -8.78%

17:04:10 ben_vulpes: why is it crashing?

17:04:37 pete_dushenski: because there's nothing there ?

17:04:45 ben_vulpes: !s why is it crashing

17:04:49 assbot: 11 results for 'why is it crashing' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=why+is+it+crashing

17:10:10 punkman: http://img.ifcdn.com/images/bf387c27eee4bfa9abba170ff78365c65fffc9b51b3770d4b640fd76f889933a_1.jpg free candy

17:13:24 pete_dushenski: http://www.wsj.com/articles/women-describe-adverse-reactions-to-bayer-sterility-device-1443133949

17:13:27 assbot: Medical Panel Calls for Further Study of Bayer Sterility Device - WSJ

17:13:54 pete_dushenski: “Women are telling us that if they reported pain during a study they were thrown out of the study,” Dr. Zuckerman said.

17:14:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13572 @ 0.00073466 = 9.9708 BTC [+]

17:14:50 pete_dushenski: and i'm off to the meatspace race. ciao!

17:20:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17428 @ 0.00073191 = 12.7557 BTC [-]

17:50:42 BingoBoingo: Oh, look what Harvey Milk Chocolate is up to now http://www.inquisitr.com/2445759/chris-christie-national-guard-leader-given-strict-order-to-lose-weight/

17:50:43 assbot: Chris Christie: National Guard Leader Given Strict Order To Lose Weight ... ( http://bit.ly/1VdOss4 )

17:51:51 BingoBoingo: Related http://qz.com/172019/ketchup-isnt-the-king-of-american-condiments-mayonnaise-is/

17:51:52 assbot: Ketchup isn’t the king of American condiments. Mayonnaise is - Quartz ... ( http://bit.ly/1VdOArD )

17:56:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22184 @ 0.00072591 = 16.1036 BTC [-] {3}

17:59:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20466 @ 0.0007251 = 14.8399 BTC [-]

18:01:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42271 @ 0.00072428 = 30.616 BTC [-] {2}

18:03:32 punkman: handy for viewing diffs side by side and colorized on the terminal https://pypi.python.org/pypi/cdiff

18:03:34 assbot: cdiff 0.9.7 : Python Package Index ... ( http://bit.ly/1VdPpR6 )

18:07:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11200 @ 0.00073839 = 8.27 BTC [+] {2}

18:14:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2160 @ 0.0007384 = 1.5949 BTC [+]

18:18:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20642 @ 0.00074096 = 15.2949 BTC [+] {2}

18:21:59 mike_c: ooh, i like the side by side

18:22:20 mike_c: that's cool

18:22:30 punkman: mike_c: yeah you just pipe the diff to it

18:24:07 mike_c: that's going in the toolbox. thanks.

18:25:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51910 @ 0.00073757 = 38.2873 BTC [-] {3}

18:34:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24350 @ 0.00072916 = 17.755 BTC [-]

18:50:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10600 @ 0.00074 = 7.844 BTC [+]

18:59:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7500 @ 0.00072916 = 5.4687 BTC [-]

19:05:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00074 = 8.066 BTC [+]

19:39:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42147 @ 0.00074096 = 31.2292 BTC [+] {2}

19:49:37 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

19:49:39 ascii_field: http://i.imgur.com/N9LylHf.gifv

19:49:40 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1G7KvJb )

19:50:08 BingoBoingo: Cool

19:53:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1701 @ 0.00073504 = 1.2503 BTC [-]

19:55:02 ascii_field: from the l0ltr0nz, http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/09/forcing-suspects-to-reveal-phone-passwords-is-unconstitutional-court-says

19:55:03 assbot: Forcing suspects to reveal phone passwords is unconstitutional, court says | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1MOqZZO )

19:55:57 ascii_field: 'Orin Kerr, a constitutional scholar and former federal prosecutor, suggested that the "Fifth Amendment issues raised by the content of the passcode could be addressed by having the defendants just enter in their passcodes rather than handing them over to the government."'

19:56:42 ascii_field: !s coke machine

19:56:44 assbot: 21 results for 'coke machine' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=coke+machine

19:58:58 trinque: lol @ "compelled compliance"

20:00:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28701 @ 0.00072746 = 20.8788 BTC [-] {2}

20:03:32 BingoBoingo: !up HeySteve

20:03:46 BingoBoingo: !rate RepublicofBelarus -1 fat

20:03:46 assbot: RepublicofBelarus is not registered in WoT.

20:04:50 BingoBoingo: ascii_field: Did you see Atmel was purchased?

20:05:28 trinque: this kerr guy seems like mega-scum

20:05:47 ascii_field: snore.

20:06:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23681 @ 0.00072596 = 17.1915 BTC [-]

20:08:43 trinque: http://volokh.com/2012/01/24/encrytion-and-the-fifth-amendment-right-against-self-incrimination/ << wherein he agrees that the govt "knowing that you know" the password is sufficient to obviate pleading the 5th

20:08:45 assbot: Encryption and the Fifth Amendment Right Against Self-Incrimination - The Volokh Conspiracy ... ( http://bit.ly/1G7M8GH )

20:09:19 ascii_field: 'nobody expects the spanish inquisition', but only a fool at this point would not expect the Coke Machine.

20:09:46 trinque: ascii_field: the govt is not forcing confession; it's forcing you to tell it the truth it already knows!

20:10:03 ascii_field: this is precisely the condition needed for the coke machine

20:10:08 ascii_field: the automated inquisitor.

20:10:40 ascii_field: usg knows that f(x) == y, you get locked into an edgar-poe-esque contraption until you cough up x

20:10:56 ascii_field: (or until dead)

20:11:23 ascii_field: this is after you watch your wives, children, pets, etc. get woodchippered, naturally

20:11:44 ascii_field: also automatically

20:11:55 ascii_field: until and unless you key in x

20:12:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5050 @ 0.00072474 = 3.6599 BTC [-]

20:14:12 *: trinque imagines the system freezing due to winblowz 2022 as one pounds the touchscreen begging it to take input

20:14:34 ascii_field: trinque: nah, this'll be the ~other~ usg

20:14:36 ascii_field: the one where ada.

20:15:08 ascii_field: (and certainly no public trials or other circuses)

20:19:45 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all

20:19:51 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 234.77, vol: 23385.36531342 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 232.353, vol: 8052.42872 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 235.72, vol: 13143.09438764 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 245.0, vol: 2.2448 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 238.8018, vol: 22235.52030000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 237.18044, vol: 145.64394813 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 234.184589651, vol: 88.11888908 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)

20:19:55 BingoBoingo: ;;more

20:19:56 gribble: 236.007760536

20:21:08 BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field

20:32:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8246 @ 0.00072474 = 5.9762 BTC [-]

20:48:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21200 @ 0.00072407 = 15.3503 BTC [-]

21:05:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27959 @ 0.00072407 = 20.2443 BTC [-]

21:17:40 punkman: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-September/000166.html

21:17:41 assbot: [BTC-dev] Some test patches and my V implementation ... ( http://bit.ly/1NZjGPg )

21:22:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28800 @ 0.00073332 = 21.1196 BTC [+] {2}

21:37:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50744 @ 0.00072275 = 36.6752 BTC [-] {4}

21:50:04 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-09-2015#1285635 << exactly the wrong kind of fucking ai. a) not actually intelligent ; b) negative - the last thing i fucking want to see is mechanically powered women nagging ; c) not self contained - at least the stupid nag you can beat into the ground.

21:50:04 assbot: Logged on 25-09-2015 14:51:18; pete_dushenski: "Camera Restricta is a speculative design of a new kind of camera. It locates itself via GPS and searches online for photos that have been geotagged nearby. If the camera decides that too many photos have been taken at your location, it retracts the shutter and blocks the viewfinder. You can't take any more pictures here." << notbad for an 'artist' (philipp schmitt)

21:50:31 mircea_popescu: people, stop making stupid women. there's enough of them around as-is.

21:50:34 mircea_popescu: more than enough, really.

21:52:25 *: jurov read "camera recta" at first.. would kinda work either way

21:53:04 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-09-2015#1285667 << whynot!!1

21:53:04 assbot: Logged on 25-09-2015 15:17:39; kakobrekla: nah.

21:53:10 mircea_popescu: lol yeah jurov

21:53:21 mircea_popescu: objectivus captivus

21:54:43 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-09-2015#1285683 << very logical. fucking asswipe caved on the PREVIOUS attempt to use the last remaining power of the senate and reign in the fucking out of control kenyan through the purse.

21:54:43 assbot: Logged on 25-09-2015 16:41:47; pete_dushenski: "House Speaker John Boehner (R., Ohio), long under fire from conservatives within his own party, will resign Oct. 30."

21:54:53 mircea_popescu: he has to be sent away before trying again.

21:55:22 mircea_popescu: fucking idiots, anyway. the only correct thing is to fire the entire civil service, keep the thing closed for ten years, then tentatively put out half a bn or so see what happens.

21:56:45 mircea_popescu: fucking lalaland where the govt is spending trillions, the populace turns into lazy & stupid cattle whose only aspiration is a govt college certificate for a govt "job" doing nothing and spending its time on reddit. then we wonder where did america go.

21:57:06 mircea_popescu: down the fucking drain of public spending, that's where. stop spending money, it is like giving kids candy.

21:58:00 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-09-2015#1285691 << dude, srsly, he's an argentine. whadda ya want ?

21:58:00 assbot: Logged on 25-09-2015 16:55:45; pete_dushenski: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPsUXtgUEAAOvz5.jpg << moar pope francis having no taste.

21:58:13 mircea_popescu: he keeps up with cosmo and tries to play pretend he's in it.

21:59:34 mircea_popescu: bah i should look at the pics before commenting. while the general principle is correct that pic doesn't illustrate it at all.

22:01:06 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-09-2015#1285696 << awww, look at that, back to 32 ? i guess down 8% today is better than the ~16% yesterday. at this rate it will be stable in an infiniy of days!

22:01:06 assbot: Logged on 25-09-2015 17:02:05; pete_dushenski: ETH Last Price 0.00326000 24hr Change -8.78%

22:04:56 punkman: you now need 540k eth to sell below 0.001, someone must've read the logs

22:08:18 mircea_popescu: didn't they give out 500k to that random hamplanet for reasons ?

22:09:56 punkman: if I had 500k eth I'd definitely trade them in for 1040 btc on poloniex

22:10:45 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-09-2015#1285737 << orin kerr is an imbecile, who the fuck taught him to read and write.

22:10:45 assbot: Logged on 25-09-2015 19:55:57; ascii_field: 'Orin Kerr, a constitutional scholar and former federal prosecutor, suggested that the "Fifth Amendment issues raised by the content of the passcode could be addressed by having the defendants just enter in their passcodes rather than handing them over to the government."'

22:10:48 punkman: 73mil eth available, huh, that's a lot

22:11:41 mircea_popescu: gotta grant it to the pump artists, did a much better job with this than the other team did with ripple.

22:12:05 mircea_popescu: basically the situation is, the chumpatronic engineering progresses much faster than the chumps.

22:12:50 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-09-2015#1285749 << and how the fuck does "the government" know the mind of man.

22:12:50 assbot: Logged on 25-09-2015 20:08:43; trinque: http://volokh.com/2012/01/24/encrytion-and-the-fifth-amendment-right-against-self-incrimination/ << wherein he agrees that the govt "knowing that you know" the password is sufficient to obviate pleading the 5th

22:13:27 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-04-2014#633602

22:13:27 assbot: Logged on 21-04-2014 19:22:37; mircea_popescu: the devil himself knows not the thought of man

22:14:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14434 @ 0.00073333 = 10.5849 BTC [+] {2}

22:15:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26624 @ 0.0007343 = 19.55 BTC [+] {2}

22:16:02 mircea_popescu: https://bitbet.us/bet/1191/the-hearn-gavin-scamcoin-will-fizzle-in-2016/#c5151 << this bet has been SUCH a lulzy excursion into the "how tenuous a grasp of logic does the general public possess ?"

22:16:04 assbot: BitBet - The Hearn-Gavin scamcoin will fizzle in 2016 :: 101.11 B (97%) on Yes, 2.96 B (3%) on No | closing in 9 months 1 week| weight: 89`332 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1LbUSmR )

22:16:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25363 @ 0.00073504 = 18.6428 BTC [+]

22:17:16 mircea_popescu: somehow the concept that if a => b => c => d => f then if (a || b || c || d || f) reduces to if (a) is not directly fucking obvious to this horde of illiterate college graduates.

22:17:43 mircea_popescu: they just know THE METHODS, completely blind to the substance, protest "d is poorly defined". da fuck difference does it make. not like d can ever be the deciding factor.

22:18:21 mircea_popescu: but no, three-ring binder logician musts needs formal match because it's his only interface to the world.

22:18:39 mircea_popescu: racists are people who say nigger. empathy is saying words. stuff!!1

22:19:35 *: mircea_popescu can only imagine that an optimizing compiler would look if written by tards born this millenium, and what mel'd think of it.

22:21:02 mircea_popescu: !up Bingo_VACAY

22:21:08 mircea_popescu: is that vaca y pollo ?

22:21:28 Bingo_VACAY: It's cheap scotch weekend

22:22:07 Bingo_VACAY: I swear as a TA I would not have passed those bbet commenters

22:22:48 Bingo_VACAY: But professor would have "up adjusted" the grade anyways

22:23:28 mircea_popescu: during his very brief toying with teaching, /me decided to flunk the entire, 6-group year, >100 twerps. had chat with provost, agreed to forget about the entire thing.

22:27:27 jurov: http://www.theonion.com/article/pope-francis-lays-hands-ailing-us-infrastructure-51388

22:27:28 assbot: Pope Francis Lays Hands On Ailing U.S. Infrastructure - The Onion - America's Finest News Source ... ( http://bit.ly/1PD9Vnk )

22:27:34 jurov: ^ totally fell for it

22:31:33 mircea_popescu: lol

22:32:05 mircea_popescu: !up HostFat

22:32:14 HostFat: hi

22:32:17 mircea_popescu: hola

22:33:50 HostFat: I did 2 bets some weeks ago, maybe more than a month

22:34:08 mircea_popescu: link ?

22:34:15 HostFat: so, here you said that after a while, if they were rejected

22:34:20 HostFat: I could have them back

22:34:24 HostFat: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-06-2015#1155171

22:34:24 assbot: Logged on 05-06-2015 12:49:29; mircea_popescu: for the other thing : plox to not email bomb me ; bitbet's not keeping your bitcoin, rejected props get refunded as it gets around to it ; yeah 1 btc is prolly enough for that purpose ; if https://bitbet.us/bet/786/bitcoin-to-surpass-berkshire-as-an-investment/ and https://bitbet.us/bet/7/bfl-will-deliver-asic-devices-before-march-1st/ being paid out isn't going to convince you i guess nothing will.

22:34:34 mircea_popescu: link to the actual bets.

22:34:43 HostFat: hmm ...

22:34:50 mircea_popescu: https://bitbet.us/bet/1199/the-eth-scam-wont-see-2016/#b1 << like that.

22:34:51 assbot: BitBet - The ETH scam won't see 2016 :: 51.16 B (28%) on Yes, 134.11 B (72%) on No | closing in 2 months 1 week| weight: 88`056 (100`000 to 10`000) ... ( http://bit.ly/1LbXuRI )

22:34:56 mircea_popescu: the date carries a url

22:35:09 HostFat: I'm not sure that they are available, but they are visible here

22:35:09 HostFat: https://bitbet.us/propositions/?json&limit=500

22:35:10 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1LbXyRh )

22:35:22 mircea_popescu: mno.

22:35:31 mircea_popescu: oh you mean you made propositions ?

22:35:38 HostFat: yes

22:35:55 mircea_popescu: a ok.

22:36:05 HostFat: "Bitcoin main net block size to increase after 1 June 2016" and "Bitcoin main net block size increased on 1 June 2016"

22:36:34 HostFat: as I remember, they were both of 0.1 BTC

22:37:00 HostFat: maybe I can even find the addresses ...

22:37:37 mircea_popescu: ok, so what's the problem ?

22:37:57 HostFat: "rejected props get refunded as it gets around to it"

22:38:05 HostFat: what did you mean by saying this?

22:38:19 mircea_popescu: that within a day or two you should have hat the 0.1 or w/e it was refunded.

22:38:51 HostFat: eh, I think that it is passed more than a month :)

22:38:52 mircea_popescu: like you know, 14 weeks ago

22:39:05 mircea_popescu: well, what was the return address you specified ?

22:39:33 HostFat: I'm not sure that I've wrote it

22:39:38 HostFat: maybe I missed it

22:39:41 mircea_popescu: then how would bitbet send you refund ?

22:40:45 HostFat: you are right

22:40:47 HostFat: https://bitbet.us/new/

22:40:48 assbot: New BitBet ... ( http://bit.ly/1LbYrcM )

22:41:06 HostFat: is it under "YOUR BITCOIN ADDRESS" ?

22:41:25 HostFat: it's strange that I didn't put in it... I can't remember

22:41:37 mircea_popescu: i mean, if you look at the top bet right now on the list (24-09-2015 Rejected Namibia Vs New Zealand)

22:41:45 mircea_popescu: it paid the 15 into https://blockchain.info/address/17WY6rscZvSyzDXdKZPm5fAWzKLN2fW39h

22:41:45 assbot: Bitcoin Address 17WY6rscZvSyzDXdKZPm5fAWzKLN2fW39h ... ( http://bit.ly/1LbYDsm )

22:41:53 mircea_popescu: and it was refunded the next day : https://blockchain.info/address/1LFwKt7tMTWPWn2Sf9qM6n88zNxgnxGRYo

22:41:54 assbot: Bitcoin Address 1LFwKt7tMTWPWn2Sf9qM6n88zNxgnxGRYo ... ( http://bit.ly/1LbYBRt )

22:42:31 mircea_popescu: this can be readily verified for the entire list visible there, not so much for json because well, json doesn't have the links baked in, being json

22:43:15 mircea_popescu: going coupla months back or so.

22:45:09 HostFat: so is it possible to make new bets without writing any address?

22:45:46 HostFat: I could even used a multisig addresses, is it compatible with your script?

22:46:06 mircea_popescu: well it's also possible to send bitcoins to address 1qwertyuiop etc. bitbet doesn't have a ready way to know.

22:46:23 mircea_popescu: but i guess a warning if the field value doesn't verify as an address may be a good idea, when kakobrekla has some time for this.

22:47:09 HostFat: I'm more on the idea that I didn't put anything than a wrong address

22:47:44 HostFat: (or a multisig address)

22:47:55 mircea_popescu: aha.

22:50:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23700 @ 0.00073561 = 17.434 BTC [+] {3}

22:51:57 kakobrekla: address is mandatory with props

22:53:51 HostFat: so it is sure that I've put it in

22:55:11 kakobrekla: Bitcoin main net block size to increase after 1 June 2016 ; in 13sbmEE4bhc7xbvpkJzxUJA4dc2U1LhMQg ; out 16SmhvkungFVsoTM1xLkm74kAoZERVvhoG

22:55:56 kakobrekla: Bitcoin main net block size increased on 1 June 2016 ; in 1HDwwjqntD6HdKfhiTQXJfaY6dK1fFrwJc ; out 13LvVjrzH4Vwsk6VB5dfPahkBpURRsZFVa

22:56:06 mircea_popescu: thanks k

22:57:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21800 @ 0.00073299 = 15.9792 BTC [-]

22:57:17 HostFat: now, I need to find where are these addresses :P

22:58:55 kakobrekla: HostFat> I could even used a multisig addresses, is it compatible with your script? < incidentally its compatible, since a few hours ago.

23:01:05 mircea_popescu: meh, why the fuck are we even supporting that.

23:01:28 kakobrekla: some derp keeps selecting 'send back to originating address' and sending from multisig

23:01:36 mircea_popescu: sigh.

23:01:43 mircea_popescu: fucking bullshit.

23:02:00 mircea_popescu: anyway, since you're looking at it : can you change "new bet" to "new prop" in the header

23:02:13 mircea_popescu: and "ADD A NEW BET " to "ADD A NEW PROP" on https://bitbet.us/new/ pager

23:02:13 assbot: New BitBet ... ( http://bit.ly/1LbYrcM )

23:02:16 mircea_popescu: it's fucking confusing.

23:02:24 kakobrekla: hehe k

23:02:37 mircea_popescu: from henceforthj they're gonna be "bets" and "props"

23:03:03 kakobrekla: and bets bets

23:03:47 mircea_popescu: lolwuty!

23:04:13 kakobrekla: bets have bets, no ?

23:04:32 mircea_popescu: props have bets

23:04:50 kakobrekla: but when prop is accepted it becomes a bet

23:04:55 kakobrekla: and it collects ... bets.

23:04:58 mircea_popescu: a urrite, "NEW BETS" => NEW PROPS

23:05:27 mircea_popescu: no, the idea is, the previous meaning of the word "Bet" as in, the page with a description and so forth, is now called prop

23:05:38 mircea_popescu: the individual quanta of money sent to a prop, were and remain "bets"

23:06:14 mircea_popescu: Active bets: 44 > active props: 44

23:06:44 mircea_popescu: "BROWSE BETS" => BROWSE PROPS

23:06:45 punkman: could change individual bets to "wagers"

23:07:06 mircea_popescu: yeah but it's six letters.

23:07:11 kakobrekla: the url is bitbet.us/bet/xxx

23:07:23 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla that i don't care about.

23:07:53 punkman: I used "Props" in the cli app :P

23:07:59 mircea_popescu: there's no rule that urls are metasyntactical

23:08:09 kakobrekla: 'add a new bet' went to 'add a new prop' now

23:08:16 mircea_popescu: yeah

23:08:38 mircea_popescu: "THE BET" can stay as it is.

23:08:49 mircea_popescu: no, SHOULD stay as it is. it's a proposition of a bet.

23:08:59 mircea_popescu: fucking english is useless, btw.

23:09:07 kakobrekla: are we still discussing bitbet?

23:09:29 mircea_popescu: all they can say is shit about money. thanks to the imbecile yet overvoiced females they got, language doesn't woirk for fucking, for gambling, for nuttin.

23:09:38 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla https://bitbet.us/new/ << on that page.

23:09:38 assbot: New BitBet ... ( http://bit.ly/1LbYrcM )

23:09:47 mircea_popescu: where you put the body in, the title should stay "THE BET"

23:10:20 kakobrekla: you mean should say the prop

23:10:20 kakobrekla: ?

23:10:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9957 @ 0.0007367 = 7.3353 BTC [+]

23:10:27 kakobrekla: it says the bet now.

23:10:36 mircea_popescu: i mean should say "THE BET", as it does now. unchanged, that bit.

23:10:52 kakobrekla: omg ok

23:11:03 kakobrekla: fucking circles

23:11:04 mircea_popescu: sorry!

23:11:11 mircea_popescu: i didn't invent the broken!

23:11:21 kakobrekla: kk

23:11:28 mircea_popescu: in the crooked timber of the english language, no kant was ever translated.

23:15:38 lobbes: https://bitbet.us/bet/1203/hillary-clinton-will-be-democrats-2016-presidential-nominee/ << suprised not more 'No' votes; Sanders is causing an uproar with teh libertard community.

23:15:38 assbot: BitBet - Hillary Clinton will be Democrats' 2016 Presidential Nominee :: 0.27 B (90%) on Yes, 0.03 B (10%) on No | closing in 6 months 2 weeks | weight: 99`068 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mve3oP )

23:15:49 lobbes: champion of socialism, that guy

23:21:42 mircea_popescu: which one is sanders again ?

23:23:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16700 @ 0.00073722 = 12.3116 BTC [+]

23:24:54 punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPsb_D2WoAAse4i.jpg:large

23:24:55 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lc4CNM )

23:25:26 trinque: mircea_popescu: he's the derpy looking socialist from vermont

23:26:19 trinque: proposes we spend some umpteen trillion dollars to stimulate the whatever

23:31:19 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-09-2015#1285945 << this ~almost~ beats the saudi slave collar patent for sheer lulz

23:31:19 assbot: Logged on 25-09-2015 23:24:54; punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPsb_D2WoAAse4i.jpg:large

23:34:41 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-09-2015#1285801 << perhaps ignatius of loyola did...

23:34:41 assbot: Logged on 25-09-2015 22:10:45; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-09-2015#1285737 << orin kerr is an imbecile, who the fuck taught him to read and write.

23:35:30 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-09-2015#1285806 << always possible that it made mistake! poor mr schmuck dies under torture, didn't know the password ? so sorry !

23:35:30 assbot: Logged on 25-09-2015 22:12:50; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-09-2015#1285749 << and how the fuck does "the government" know the mind of man.

23:36:00 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-09-2015#1285819 << easy riddle! llvm.

23:36:00 assbot: Logged on 25-09-2015 22:19:35; *: mircea_popescu can only imagine that an optimizing compiler would look if written by tards born this millenium, and what mel'd think of it.

23:36:40 punkman: llvm wasn't written by 15 y olds

23:36:48 asciilifeform: may as well have been.

23:37:07 asciilifeform: and dollars to doughnuts, there are 15 y.o. 'contributing'.

23:37:29 punkman: especially if it has to do with javascript

23:37:58 punkman: http://36.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8v5hjA5pY1qm89nlo1_1280.png

23:37:59 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lc696F )

23:38:42 trinque: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-09-2015#1285945 << http://www.google.com/patents/US8246454

23:38:42 assbot: Logged on 25-09-2015 23:24:54; punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPsb_D2WoAAse4i.jpg:large

23:38:43 assbot: Patent US8246454 - System for converting television commercials into interactive networked ... - Google Patents ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lc6c2d )

23:38:48 trinque: innovation!

23:39:27 mircea_popescu: in other news, snakes on a plane is an incredibly bad film. down there with tucker max productions and shit.

23:39:59 mircea_popescu: it's sad that crud like that is going to be forever associated with "the first attempt to put the internet in the #1 position for marketing a movie"

23:41:17 mircea_popescu: what's more sad is the fucking mosfilm level of the script. seriously, the "idealistic da" ? what the fuck, there is no even remotely ethical da in the us, nor was there, for 30+ years.

23:41:48 mircea_popescu: what's this bullshit 1950esque "bad guys against the angelic aparatchiks" ? where the fuck is the hollywood movie about carl force V

23:42:05 asciilifeform: iirc they're making one about ulbricht

23:42:07 mircea_popescu: what, the bulger crime family never happened, right ?

23:42:10 mircea_popescu: fuck that shit.

23:42:13 asciilifeform: and the heroic chekists who nailed him

23:42:18 asciilifeform: or the like.

23:42:23 mircea_popescu: make me one in which bharara is depicted au naturel : as a lying, evil scumbag from hell.

23:42:52 mircea_popescu: the cinematic vocation of 2010s is, depicting the us president as a sort of nero.

23:42:59 mircea_popescu: that's what you gotta do, IF you're gonna make movies.

23:43:18 mircea_popescu: speak truth to power and all that.

23:43:27 asciilifeform: almost as if the 'hollywood code' never died..

23:43:47 mircea_popescu: the average "criminal" being definitely more lovable, and in general more ethically respectable than the BEST of the law enforcement criminal gang.

23:43:53 mircea_popescu: that's the truth, that's the movie you make. or fuck you.

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23:45:02 *: mircea_popescu wants a director now.

23:45:04 asciilifeform: it is interesting to note the extent to which the 'code' folks succeeded. 19th c. usa was a place where rogues, bandits, brigands of every conceivable sort - were popular heroes

23:45:24 mircea_popescu: hjas nothing to do with the code folks. in the 19th century, the us was a place where people earned their keep.

23:45:31 mircea_popescu: today, they sit in govt dole.

23:45:57 asciilifeform: recall how orwell pissed his panties over it?

23:46:00 mircea_popescu: 1970s russians believed the soviets are non-dumb. just like 2010 chinese believe the same about their idiotic leadership.

23:46:06 asciilifeform: 'In ROUGHING IT there is an interesting account of a bandit named Slade, who, among countless other outrages, had committed twenty-eight murders. It is perfectly clear that Mark Twain admires this disgusting scoundrel. Slade was successful; therefore he was admirable. This outlook, no less common today, is summed up in the significant American expression 'to MAKE GOOD'. '

23:46:13 asciilifeform: ( http://www.george-orwell.org/Mark_Twain_--_The_Licensed_Jester/0.html )

23:46:14 assbot: George Orwell - Mark Twain -- The Licensed Jester - Essay ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lc707t )

23:46:21 mircea_popescu: i recall the part, but where do you take it ?

23:46:51 asciilifeform: possibly to where there isn't really a trace of this (at least afaik) left ?

23:47:09 mircea_popescu: where ?

23:47:12 mircea_popescu: does fine here.

23:47:15 mircea_popescu: does poorly on reddit.

23:47:18 mircea_popescu: look at the demographics.

23:47:44 asciilifeform: thinking of, e.g., the erik frein case

23:48:03 asciilifeform: did the locals ferry the outlaw to mexico? or even across state line ?

23:48:21 asciilifeform: or did they collectively bend over and lube up for usg in gratitude for removing the irritant

23:48:26 asciilifeform: iirc it was the latter.

23:48:45 mircea_popescu: certainly. still, look at the demographics.

23:49:04 asciilifeform: of whom ?

23:50:15 mircea_popescu: of the bent over crowd.

23:50:29 mircea_popescu: they are all, without exception, living above their means on govt supports.

23:50:44 mircea_popescu: for as long as taxation is negative, you don't really get much robin hood action.

23:51:14 asciilifeform: something doesn't quite make sense to me

23:51:41 asciilifeform: the taxation is at its most negative in the inner cities (ferguson et al) where the 'robin hood action' is quite lively

23:52:47 mircea_popescu: those aren't subjects.

23:52:58 mircea_popescu: inner city black man does not see himself as owned by the crown.

23:53:39 asciilifeform: the elephants in the zoo also do not see themselves as owned by the crown..

23:53:51 mircea_popescu: anyway. to reiterate : b-a needs to get a cinema production unit going. talk to me babies!

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23:54:09 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform consequently the negative taxation they beenfit from does not figure in their breaking of cages.

23:55:50 mircea_popescu: (and you will also note that elephants in zoo may break cages/lay waste to the hay depot, but do not as a rule figure out hjow to use gps to locate the central bureau of zoos and burn the local pencildicks in charge.)

23:56:07 mircea_popescu: in other words : inner city blacks are subhuman, and not a proper example in this discussion.

23:56:45 asciilifeform: everybody else in usa, afaik, is properly defanged.

23:57:41 mircea_popescu: besides the point.

23:58:22 mircea_popescu: but you will notice that we're not merely aghast at inept fiat govertnment. we have substitute. we collect fucking taxes. heck, b-a collection is above the historical maximum for ANY fiat state known during the past century or more. well over 90%.

23:58:30 mircea_popescu: show me the ghetto kingdom they built themselves.

23:59:17 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: more of a church, structurally - almost everyone has a day job, does it as a spare thing

23:59:28 mircea_popescu: notrly.

23:59:38 asciilifeform: churches, or so i'm told, have pretty good 'collection rate'

23:59:45 mircea_popescu: exactly like a state. 19th century americans ALSO had a day job.

23:59:57 mircea_popescu: they didn't sit around being americans for more than an hour a month.