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00:07:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24619 @ 0.00049955 = 12.2984 BTC [-] {2}

00:08:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5931 @ 0.00047265 = 2.8033 BTC [-] {2}

00:32:33 Adlai: anybody else see wtf just happened on btce

00:32:46 davout: Adlai: do tell

00:33:13 Adlai: 1min candle: high 261.64 low 240.01

00:35:49 Adlai: it looked quite similar to what happened a few months back on bitfinex where the order book reported an out of date book about $20 below the current one

00:36:21 Adlai: except that this now reports trades, and low limit orders got executed

00:36:54 Adlai: i guess it's nothing compared to some previous flash sells, just caught me by surprise because it happened in front of my eyes

00:38:09 davout: hory shet

00:40:17 davout: way to shoot up

00:45:35 ben_vulpes: ;;ticker

00:45:36 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 259.44, Best ask: 260.45, Bid-ask spread: 1.01000, Last trade: 260.44, 24 hour volume: 30063.99864451, 24 hour low: 241.33, 24 hour high: 263.2, 24 hour vwap: 250.107871168

00:46:21 Adlai: ;;ticker --market btce

00:46:21 gribble: BTC-E BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 254.956, Best ask: 254.972, Bid-ask spread: 0.01600, Last trade: 254.972, 24 hour volume: 18007.40965, 24 hour low: 239.013, 24 hour high: 263.0, 24 hour vwap: 251.0065

00:46:25 mircea_popescu: Adlai web exchanges realligning to otc, what's the big deal ?

00:46:47 Adlai: the slippage :)

00:46:51 ben_vulpes: how can one align to otc

00:46:52 mircea_popescu: yeah well.

00:46:54 ben_vulpes: there's no price signal

00:47:09 Adlai: to learn of the otc, you must become otc

00:47:15 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=20-01-2015#984699 etc

00:47:15 assbot: Logged on 20-01-2015 19:39:33; mircea_popescu: but that's less important. what's more important is, bitcoin has no price signal and you propose to do derivatives. well... got some questions to answer.

00:47:53 ben_vulpes: anyways, first sunny day in months and the hipsters set the badminton net up *smack* in the middle of the swamp

00:47:54 ben_vulpes: must be spring

00:48:06 ben_vulpes: meanwhile blizzard in nyc

00:48:47 thestringpuller: gonna be good snowboarding this week lol

00:49:06 thestringpuller: aspen niggas rubbin it in

00:54:31 mats: http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/jan/25/wikileaks-google-staff-emails-us-government

00:54:33 assbot: WikiLeaks demands answers after Google hands staff emails to US government | Technology | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1yiIapm )

00:59:34 mircea_popescu: answers as in... what ? "yes, fuck you." ?

01:01:16 Adlai: for who will leak upon the leakers themselves/

01:02:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23100 @ 0.00050033 = 11.5576 BTC [+]

01:02:35 mircea_popescu: "us company subsisting out of us fed subsidies fails to implement usg policy. is replaced with different one, nobody notices the difference."

01:02:36 mircea_popescu: wtf.

01:07:06 mats: replaced? schmidt has been a USG cocksucker since day 1

01:11:37 mircea_popescu: that was kinda my point. what exactly would be the alternative here, google demures ? how.

01:14:42 mircea_popescu: the usg is not going to like people fucking up its shit. that's not changing. google isn't going to start acting like anything but a usg agent. that's also not changing. what are teh staffers in question expect will happen, or expected will have happened ?

01:15:34 mircea_popescu: what's next, ima write letters to the vessenes fake foundation about how their power rangers are fucking up bitcoin ?

01:15:35 mircea_popescu: duh.

01:18:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6850 @ 0.00050322 = 3.4471 BTC [+] {2}

01:18:49 pete_dushenski: might as well complain to the troika that they're pwning the periphery

01:19:31 pete_dushenski: or to apple that they're updates make everything worse

01:20:03 pete_dushenski: that's sorta the point of their continued existence

01:23:41 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: what's next, ima write letters to the vessenes << Maybe it's because I have autism, but why would you write them letters when you can publicly condemn?

01:24:10 thestringpuller: "Dear Mr. Vessenes', You are a poop. Signed, mircea_popescu "

01:25:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 5000 @ 0.00099881 = 4.9941 BTC [+] {10}

01:26:31 jurov: mircea can just twitterkill him

01:28:28 pete_dushenski: i can twitterkill vessenes

01:28:36 pete_dushenski: mp can't, gotta have twitter

01:31:04 thestringpuller: teach me twitter fu pete_dushenski

01:31:31 pete_dushenski: patience, grasshopper

01:32:00 pete_dushenski: first, you must learn to scrub floors

01:32:14 pete_dushenski: then you must learn to clean dishes

01:32:29 pete_dushenski: then you must learn to sew clothes

01:32:57 pete_dushenski: then, and only then, will i teach you the ways of the internet

01:35:18 pete_dushenski: Andreessen Horowitz is heading up a $58 million round of investment in TransferWise

01:35:27 pete_dushenski: Founded in 2011 and built by ex-Skype and PayPal engineers with the aim of making it easier (read: cheaper) to transfer pounds to euros, TransferWise says that it will be using the funds to fuel its global expansion.

01:35:35 thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: i love the jew fro.

01:35:46 thestringpuller: It's majestic af.

01:36:11 pete_dushenski: it definitely draws attention

01:36:12 jurov: such romance (*^*)

01:36:27 pete_dushenski: lol

01:36:35 pete_dushenski: such fambly, this cult

01:36:38 thestringpuller: jurov: I think you mean bromance!

01:36:56 pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: wait, you're a dude?!

01:37:05 *: pete_dushenski kidding!

01:37:37 thestringpuller: XD

01:38:20 thestringpuller: I think I'm going to fulfill my Volvo dream pete_dushenski cause of your blog post lol

01:38:48 pete_dushenski: see guise! blogging works!

01:39:05 pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: you ever have a blog?

01:39:19 thestringpuller: anything I really post is on thestringpuller.tumblr.com

01:39:45 mats: tumblr blog. adorbs.

01:39:52 thestringpuller: I was thinking of that story I put in the comments of your post. ANd was like "Why not get a volvo? It's gonna outlast most bitcoin businesses while being 30 years old as is."

01:40:16 thestringpuller: mats: I KNO RITE. Not as adorable as my Xanga blog was.

01:40:54 pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: lmao i love that dylan scene from chappelle

01:41:05 pete_dushenski: "name da 5 best rappers of all time"

01:41:13 mats: whoa, xanga. i haven't seen that name in almost a decade.

01:41:18 pete_dushenski: "dylan, dylan, dylan, dylan, and dylan"

01:41:32 *: mats reflects on fond memories of social networks in early 2000

01:41:41 thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: Yah! Because of people like Dylan, we can't have nice things.

01:41:57 thestringpuller: mats: Ya. My teenage school years. Such angst, such proto-social-networking.

01:42:24 thestringpuller: MySpace. Lawls.

01:43:00 pete_dushenski: ;;later tell peterl hey can we get thestringpuller.tumblr.com added to bablogs?

01:43:01 gribble: The operation succeeded.

01:43:54 thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: does your Benz take diesel?

01:44:05 pete_dushenski: eh no. it's not a tractor.

01:44:05 thestringpuller: Haven't really done my reading yet. XD

01:44:42 thestringpuller: My buddy had a diesel benz in high school. That thing was a beast, p. much a tractor, but man you could abuse that thing and it'd still show love 800 miles from home.

01:45:17 thestringpuller: I love cars like that. Shit you can drive in Siberia with 0 maintenance (like an asshole car owner), but the machine still chugs.

01:46:22 pete_dushenski: well i basically live in siberia with health care so i guess that makes saddam perfect

01:46:44 pete_dushenski: (my 560 is named "saddam" in case you missed that

01:46:46 pete_dushenski: )

01:47:55 thestringpuller: My buddy kept trying to convince me to get an E30 325 by BMW circa 1989

01:48:29 thestringpuller: which I admit is tempting, but in the same sense as candy is tempting ~_~

01:51:55 pete_dushenski: the e30 was built in an era when only entry-level cars failed completely after a few year

01:52:15 pete_dushenski: back then, the higher-end motors were expected to keep truckin' for decades

01:52:20 pete_dushenski: as they evidently have

01:52:54 pete_dushenski: of course, in the mid to late 90's, automakers figured out that all cars, regardless of upfront cost, should self-immolate after 10 years

01:53:01 pete_dushenski: if not sooner

01:53:08 thestringpuller: Ya. What's up with that?!?

01:53:18 pete_dushenski: ideally, from their perspective, cars would crap out as soon as the warranty expired

01:53:36 pete_dushenski: and have so many electrical gremlins that they'd be impossible to repair thereafter

01:53:37 thestringpuller: it's like Jobs' ideas behind the iPod

01:53:47 thestringpuller: warranty expires the day the battery dies

01:53:53 pete_dushenski: carmakers have been getting better and better at this

01:53:58 pete_dushenski: i think they're almost there

01:54:23 thestringpuller: some cars seem to be holding their own against the trend.

01:54:43 pete_dushenski: toyota, perhaps

01:55:21 thestringpuller: ya, mah girl has a Camry from 94-95 or something almost 200k miles on it and it runs fine. Road trip worthy and all.

01:55:24 pete_dushenski: but the increased homogeny between brands, a function of their sharing tier 1 and 2 suppliers, is hampering even the best of intentions

01:55:48 pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: but that's a 20-year-old car now

01:56:07 thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: yea but was crafted in mind 90's when the trend started

01:56:20 pete_dushenski: this is also why recalls are spanning unprecented numbers of cars, and stretching across brands at the same time

01:56:30 pete_dushenski: the japanese are slow

01:56:43 pete_dushenski: their morality is different

01:56:54 pete_dushenski: they have a culture of longevity

01:56:55 thestringpuller: thestringpuller: is hampering even the best of intentions << this is why tesla was able to get through even with mafia style racket in place.

01:57:13 thestringpuller: They are hedging on parts outlasting the warranty tho.

01:58:06 pete_dushenski: tesla is an interesting case study in incentives

01:58:12 mats: a reading of 'Consumer Reports' from some years ago suggests that cars are lasting longer...

01:58:26 pete_dushenski: obama needed a poster child, and tesla has definitely been one of his success stories

01:58:33 thestringpuller: ^- i kno rite

01:58:39 pete_dushenski: the company is entirely dependent on government subsidies

01:58:44 thestringpuller: i hate that tho. that there fame lies in that rather than just pure industry.

01:58:51 thestringpuller: and also "welfare"

01:59:10 pete_dushenski: consumer reports is "independent" but hardly impervious to cajoling

01:59:27 thestringpuller: tesla's suppliers are definitely trying to reverse the quality trend

01:59:40 pete_dushenski: the tesla model s couldn't have been anything other than "the best piece of engineering since apollo 11"

01:59:50 thestringpuller: XD

01:59:53 thestringpuller: such hyperbole

02:00:09 thestringpuller: but like the modern Maybach i.e.

02:00:14 pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: it's in the interest of the suppliers to ensure that they have business in the future

02:00:51 thestringpuller: rap couldn't truly save the maybach, but it's one of those dream cars that actually fulfills the dream from my limited experience at least.

02:01:01 pete_dushenski: the modernest of the maybachs is just an s-class trim line now

02:01:21 thestringpuller: yah the most modern. i was speaking druing the infancy of maybach music

02:01:31 thestringpuller: the maybach that picked up lil wayne from prison etc.

02:01:37 pete_dushenski: the last one was bespoke, but a dud compared to the phantom

02:01:58 thestringpuller: ^- this is why jeezy doesn't ride in maybachs

02:02:01 thestringpuller: which is interesting

02:02:47 pete_dushenski: ya i don't get the maybach at all

02:02:49 thestringpuller: didn't know you were the channel car guy, but again guess I haven't done my reading

02:02:55 pete_dushenski: maybe it's too arriviste for me

02:03:19 pete_dushenski: lol i didn't exactly advertise it

02:03:36 pete_dushenski: besides, onions are more interesting to hang out with ;)

02:03:36 thestringpuller: well it's dope cause I love working on automotive machiens

02:03:37 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski> mp can't, gotta have twitter << twitter, this single shot rifle

02:03:42 mircea_popescu: sorta like a broom

02:04:08 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: but you can ride brooms and play quidditch and stuff

02:04:11 pete_dushenski: more like a mop, really

02:04:32 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: obligatory: http://www.krasnoyeznamya.ru/gallery/rm_21_489.jpg

02:04:33 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/15ywCas )

02:04:51 mircea_popescu: mats> whoa, xanga. i haven't seen that name in almost a decade. << that azn chick still blogs on it.

02:04:54 pete_dushenski: twitter: soggy, used mostly by intellectual janitors. yup, that'd be a mop

02:05:26 mats: who?

02:05:42 BingoBoingo: I live. Got hooked into judging at a college debate tournament this weekend for quick fiat and an anthropological study of the reddit derp in the physical world.

02:05:51 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform quite lol

02:05:56 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo hey this was a shitty bender.

02:06:01 thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: i totally forgot.

02:06:05 mircea_popescu: bet pool was giving you like a week an shit

02:06:55 mircea_popescu: http://40.media.tumblr.com/1bec07183b67b4101135a2d13acd5a92/tumblr_nblgzjOuLg1tku1fwo1_1280.jpg << "now sit your ass down..."

02:06:57 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/15yxbBf )

02:07:09 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Only drank Friday night. Saturday night my loss of faith in the USian college leaders of the future pushed me into unassisted slumber.

02:07:33 mircea_popescu: eh don't judge the kids too harshy

02:07:37 mircea_popescu: they're virgins.

02:07:40 thestringpuller: XD

02:07:48 mircea_popescu: http://41.media.tumblr.com/bdb52bfba9b0b6f1fadb13ad57518626/tumblr_nblgyb5N0U1tku1fwo1_1280.jpg

02:07:50 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/15yxnR8 )

02:07:57 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu is growing into the "nice grandpa" and not grumpy old man.

02:08:16 mats: good one

02:08:37 mircea_popescu: http://40.media.tumblr.com/dbd560e399f2fcac62c14ed4d672bc22/tumblr_nbnan2prwQ1tj17cio1_1280.jpg << are these handcarved dogs ? or wts is that milling machine ?

02:08:39 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/15yxyvK )

02:09:06 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: toy car radio remote.

02:09:15 mircea_popescu: ah k

02:09:24 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I actually got to hear it argued today that manned spaceflight is bad, because science is aligned against queer people and because science is aligned against queer people we should embrace human extinction.

02:09:43 BingoBoingo: I did not get to judge that round, but the nihilist "won"

02:09:55 mircea_popescu: did he win a .22 ?

02:10:01 asciilifeform: !b 3

02:10:02 assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/028NZSE.txt )

02:10:33 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Maybe if I had a ballot that round.

02:11:16 mircea_popescu: http://40.media.tumblr.com/05e18ad19e50e3bb3f6828669fc88e86/tumblr_nboxos3khZ1s3k2n4o2_500.jpg athlete tit.

02:11:17 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1zLAEd8 )

02:11:17 BingoBoingo: On the plus side I also got to judge speech events, which meant I literally got to watch minstrel shows and liberals were ok with it.

02:12:02 BingoBoingo: !up moldysnizz

02:12:15 *: moldysnizz waves

02:13:00 moldysnizz: I really need to dig out my old workstation for my other signing keys. It would be nice to be back on the WoT

02:13:02 BingoBoingo: If I were drunk though I prolly would have IRC'd on the hostile campus wifi. I am so happy to have civilized internet again.

02:15:11 moldysnizz: BingoBoingo, have yo had a chance to watch "The Rise and Rise of Bitcoin"?

02:15:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6586 @ 0.00050253 = 3.3097 BTC [-]

02:15:21 BingoBoingo: moldysnizz: Nope, life is too short.

02:15:36 moldysnizz: *chuckle* I rather enjoyed it.

02:17:33 BingoBoingo: I might see it eventually. I am just so thrilled though that yesterday I got to watch actual minstrel shows performed for free.

02:17:56 moldysnizz: =D How'd that come to be?

02:18:33 BingoBoingo: moldysnizz: Just before you got here http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-01-2015#992298

02:18:33 assbot: Logged on 26-01-2015 02:05:42; BingoBoingo: I live. Got hooked into judging at a college debate tournament this weekend for quick fiat and an anthropological study of the reddit derp in the physical world.

02:22:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22956 @ 0.00050596 = 11.6148 BTC [+]

02:22:25 moldysnizz: oo fun!

02:22:34 moldysnizz: flask?

02:22:43 pete_dushenski: Anti-austerity Syriza party has won Greece's general election, putting the country on a possible collision course with the EU over its massive bailout.

02:23:27 pete_dushenski: default time in the land of olive oil ?

02:23:31 BingoBoingo: moldysnizz: If I did it again...

02:26:48 ben_vulpes: wb BingoBoingo

02:27:20 BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Howdy.

02:28:00 BingoBoingo: Imma spend a few hours now reading fraudsters and listening to Lynyrd Skynyrd to get the liberal brainwashing out.

02:28:06 BingoBoingo: !up gabriel_laddel

02:28:29 gabriel_laddel: http://i.imgur.com/YDS7DZR.png http://i.imgur.com/er5HT6O.png http://i.imgur.com/nsvxhzs.png http://i.imgur.com/Ius6a3h.png

02:28:31 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/15yBJYf )

02:28:32 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/15yBL2r )

02:28:33 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/15yBKeP )

02:28:35 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/15yBLzs )

02:28:44 gabriel_laddel: screenshots of programs that come with the #b-a distro by default.

02:28:45 ben_vulpes: how've you been? what've you been doing?

02:29:01 gabriel_laddel: I've been well enough. Working on the same project.

02:29:11 asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: macsyma ?

02:29:13 asciilifeform: !s macsyma

02:29:13 assbot: 3 results for 'macsyma' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=macsyma

02:29:20 gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: yep.

02:29:28 gabriel_laddel: but with true3d plotting

02:29:30 ben_vulpes: mlol i was talking to BingoBoingo, but same goes for you as well

02:29:44 ben_vulpes: glad to see your distro in channel

02:29:57 gabriel_laddel: ben_vulpes: lol thanks.

02:30:18 ben_vulpes: care to talk a little more about this distro upon which you've been working?

02:30:33 BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: We have a distro nao?

02:30:43 BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Infiltrating IRL reddit.

02:30:48 gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: I'm working on one, yes.

02:30:51 gabriel_laddel: Built on top of funtoo

02:31:03 BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: Must build on Vax.

02:31:11 gabriel_laddel: ben_vulpes: I'll write something up now

02:31:18 ben_vulpes: neat stuff

02:31:25 ben_vulpes: !rate gabrial_laddel 1 not really new blood any more

02:31:25 assbot: gabrial_laddel is not registered in WoT.

02:31:32 ben_vulpes: !rate gabriel_laddel 1 not really new blood any more

02:31:32 assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/63510a95016a3e34

02:31:53 gabriel_laddel: yeah I need to get on that.

02:32:01 ben_vulpes: !v assbot:ben_vulpes.rate.gabriel_laddel.1:0fa2dead241f26026429deff8283cec0a1ab17b93ef5ece1fb5361eb7cfbe12a

02:32:01 assbot: Successfully updated the rating for gabriel_laddel from 1 to 1 with note: not really new blood any more

02:32:02 ben_vulpes:

02:32:14 ben_vulpes: gabriel_laddel: still have those keys?

02:32:26 gabriel_laddel: nope.

02:32:33 gabriel_laddel: destroyed in a failed backup :/

02:33:09 ben_vulpes: ah, sux.

02:33:25 ben_vulpes: best time to plant a tree and all that

02:33:30 gabriel_laddel: yep

02:33:49 gabriel_laddel: though from a rating perspective, I don't think it matters if I wait until I release the distro

02:34:28 *: ben_vulpes shrugs

02:34:34 ben_vulpes: again, best time to plant a tree.

02:34:40 ben_vulpes: no sense putting it off.

02:35:07 ben_vulpes: victory goes not to those who are merely decisive of mind, but only to those who are also swift of action.

02:36:08 thestringpuller: ^- Always in a rush to the grave.

02:36:20 thestringpuller: "Stay awhile and listen" :)

02:38:21 BingoBoingo: ;;later tell nubbins' https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=935115.msg10257245#msg10257245 << Why would a professional cabinet maker do it to "put himself through college"

02:38:22 assbot: Videos of WoodCollector Hand Carving: Care of MOB ... ( http://bit.ly/15yDBAp )

02:38:22 gribble: The operation succeeded.

02:39:48 ben_vulpes: HAND GUIDED router << anyone who works with power shapers knows better than to hand guide a router

02:40:09 moldysnizz: ugh

02:41:14 BingoBoingo: Also... I smoke cigarettes a lot of places, but anywhere I'm generating a bunch of woodshavings is not that place.

02:42:42 punkman: pete_dushenski: default time in the land of olive oil ? << that was years ago

02:43:36 pete_dushenski: myea, well this'd be part infinity in that story

02:43:56 pete_dushenski: i agree, no one particularly cares if greece goes the way of atlantis

02:43:57 punkman: 50-60% voter turnout, all-time low

02:44:07 pete_dushenski: we'll remember their contribution just as fondly

02:46:39 pete_dushenski: off to a late dinner, chip chip cheerio and all that

02:49:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00050253 = 3.367 BTC [-]

02:52:19 punkman: "Alexis Tsipras is a tin-pot communist. May his time in power be short and his actions easily revocable."

02:53:52 punkman: oh man the spain-tards sure love this guy

02:59:07 BingoBoingo: !up gabriel_laddel

03:00:06 gabriel_laddel: I've actually done very little development for this dirtro. Most of my time has been spent finding perfect little individual peices and assembling them. Out of the box it has:

03:00:06 gabriel_laddel: - documentation (current borked b/c of gentoo's USE flag problems - cyclic dependencies)

03:00:06 gabriel_laddel: - Conkeror browser hooked up to parenscript.

03:00:06 gabriel_laddel: - the best GUI library available on current architectures (CLIM - Commmon Lisp Interface Manager).

03:00:06 gabriel_laddel: - millions LoC less than the browser, at least 10x more expressive.

03:00:06 gabriel_laddel: - based on funtoo, sources for all programs are included by default.

03:00:07 gabriel_laddel: - symbolic algebra via Maxima

03:00:07 gabriel_laddel: - 3D plotting facilities (animation, zooming etc.) No gnuplot or browser hackery.

03:00:07 gabriel_laddel: - state saving and restoration (currently broken)

03:00:08 gabriel_laddel: - lesson system

03:00:08 gabriel_laddel: - habit system

03:00:09 gabriel_laddel: - dashboard that reports e.g., LoC for the entire system.

03:00:09 gabriel_laddel: - js->ps transpiler (needs work)

03:00:10 gabriel_laddel: The browser, window manager, gui library and emacs are all connected to the same common lisp process and are explorable at runtime. Conkeror is based on Emacs and shares some of the same conceptual foundation, thus, the whole experience feels very lispy. The lessons system is 'dialed-in'. For example, you can specify that the user is to scroll to 80% of a particular URL, at which point you want the windows arranged

03:00:11 gabriel_laddel: 1/2 emacs 1/2 clim gui and XYZ files open with a (emacs) window arrangement just so.

03:00:11 gabriel_laddel: The state saving facility allows for saving saving and restoration of all URLs, scroll locations, files and window arrangement on a whim. CLIM gui applications that obey the recommended architecture can also trivially plug into this system.

03:00:12 gabriel_laddel: There are several other things that simply "make sense", but have somehow not found their way into mainstream linux. One of which is the dashboard. Currently it lists how many lisp LoC and projects are running on the entire machine. It also manages the habits system and allows for one to say, practice mathematics for 1 hours a day without fail, at which point it restores the state prior to starting the habit.

03:00:51 gabriel_laddel: All state is saved via persistent CLOS by default.

03:01:32 gabriel_laddel: no explicit transactions etc. necessary. Just `setf' the state of the object in question.

03:01:42 asciilifeform: state saving and restoration << sbcl's 'save world and die' ?

03:02:14 gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: Nope. Though I should include that. The state saving is for files, window layouts, urls and their scroll locations.

03:03:59 gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: iirc that SBCL functionality needs some work before it is ready for production.

03:04:54 *: BingoBoingo is sarcastic when says needs to build on VAX, prolly should though.

03:05:01 *: BingoBoingo needs to get a working VAX

03:05:38 gabriel_laddel: If anyone has requests for things they'd like to see in a dream distro. Let me know.

03:06:29 thestringpuller: gabriel_laddel: A copy of SimCity 2000 built in.

03:08:16 ben_vulpes: gabriel_laddel: systemd

03:08:38 ben_vulpes: seriously though, sounds great. can't wait to give it a whirl.

03:09:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32056 @ 0.00050818 = 16.2902 BTC [+] {4}

03:09:12 asciilifeform: what's a habit system ?

03:10:06 gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: say that you want to write a Captain's Log each day before going to sleep. Masamune formalizes this.

03:10:42 gabriel_laddel: And adds to it, e.g., when you start your daily mathematics practice it will pull up the previous state from where you left off.

03:11:16 ben_vulpes: is this a thing you wrote?

03:11:22 gabriel_laddel: ben_vulpes: yes.

03:12:13 danielpbarron: !up badbitcoinadmin

03:12:29 gabriel_laddel: Oh, I should note - no systemd.

03:12:48 punkman: badbitcoinadmin: did you steal all the coinz?

03:14:10 ben_vulpes: i was just joking, gabriel_laddel

03:14:15 ben_vulpes: but that's awesome

03:14:50 gabriel_laddel: ben_vulpes: I realize that, but no systemd should be considered a feature IMO. One I forgot to list.

03:14:55 badbitcoinadmin: punkman this is a role account for badbitcoin.org

03:15:29 badbitcoinadmin: badbitcoin.org is a specialty site taht focuses on tracking various coin scams & those running them

03:15:52 asciilifeform: lol! same 'badbitcoin' that was funded by gaw ?

03:15:59 BingoBoingo: !b 2

03:16:00 assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1ZNPDC0.txt )

03:16:08 punkman: oh so he did steal all the coinz

03:16:33 punkman: badbitcoinadmin: are you in the wot? why "role account"?

03:16:34 *: BingoBoingo is about to crash into sleep, someone else is going to have to take up !b sniping duties.

03:17:14 badbitcoinadmin: This account squats & logs #badbitcoin

03:18:05 BingoBoingo: So... what does account do here then?

03:18:20 punkman: so you are gonna track all the HYIP scams that take bitcoin?

03:18:22 punkman: why bother

03:24:11 badbitcoinadmin: right now, this was first thing I found that was set up for Freenode

03:25:11 gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: do you know of any information about AMD Opteron's k8 microcode or the chip in question? I found http://www.securiteam.com/securityreviews/5FP0M1PDFO.html but nothing else on the matter. Also, do you know of a better place to ask this question? I'm not a haxx0r.

03:25:12 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1L9zk7w )

03:25:24 danielpbarron: !gettrust badbitcoinadmin

03:25:24 assbot: badbitcoinadmin is not registered in WoT.

03:26:05 asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: afaik, nothing has ever leaked re: the microcode structure. all that is known is how to invoke the updater, the approximate structure of the blob, and the fact that - unlike intel's - there is no crypto/authentication

03:27:10 asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: hence, one might learn something by trial and error (entirely possible to smoke the chip, sure.)

03:29:04 danielpbarron: badbitcoinadmin, http://www.contravex.com/2014/09/23/please-to-pgp-guide-for-linux-os-x-windows/

03:29:05 assbot: Please To PGP (Guide for Linux, OS X, Windows) | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1L9zSKw )

03:32:39 badbitcoinadmin: I am familiar with PGP, but only have a few contacts who use it. What's next?

03:34:10 danielpbarron: instructions on how to register your key with assbot and other commands are here -> http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot

03:34:11 assbot: irc_bots:assbot [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1L9AwrE )

03:39:39 badbitcoinadmin: OK, I see, some crypto hoops to jump through. Might not do it until tomorrow, looks straightforward enough.

03:40:24 decimation: re: wikileaks << it's pretty lulzy that the 'staff' idiots were using third party mail providers anyway

03:46:58 punkman: https://dolphin-emu.org/compat/ interesting

03:46:59 assbot: Dolphin Emulator - Compatibility List - page # ... ( http://bit.ly/1L9Ckka )

03:48:08 *: asciilifeform thought that this could have been an emulator for the xerox dolphin, very disappointed

03:48:25 punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=25-01-2015#991865 > now you can emulate it too http://ascii.textfiles.com/archives/4546

03:48:25 assbot: Logged on 25-01-2015 19:42:05; ben_vulpes: i've seen windows 3.1 in javascript...

03:48:26 assbot: The Emularity « ASCII by Jason Scott ... ( http://bit.ly/1L9CuIs )

03:49:30 asciilifeform: punkman: the x86-in-js emulator is at least 2 years old, and is about as interesting as a full-sized replica of the eiffel tower made from toothpicks.

03:50:15 asciilifeform: which is to say, you might admire the patience of the maker, but at the end of the day, the only question is - 'why?'

03:52:37 asciilifeform: (what's a xerox 'dolphin' ? this: http://www.digibarn.com/friends/alanfreier/index.html )

03:52:38 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1L9CY1g )

03:53:48 mats: ;;seen MisterE

03:53:48 gribble: MisterE was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 41 weeks, 2 days, 10 hours, 39 minutes, and 15 seconds ago: <MisterE> Deer Hunter was masterpiece

03:57:48 punkman: asciilifeform: archive.org's has an impressive number of emulators that will work in browsers, I think that's nice

03:58:41 asciilifeform: 'work'

03:59:09 mircea_popescu: http://40.media.tumblr.com/06f4ab072b398760c7812ba94ca49b15/tumblr_n9nqevnvIy1tvd51wo1_500.jpg "you sure you put the car keys in here ?!"

03:59:11 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1L9DGvl )

03:59:39 punkman: of course the real hero is http://www.mess.org/

03:59:40 assbot: Welcome to the MESS Wiki! [MESS] ... ( http://bit.ly/1L9DHzt )

03:59:51 punkman: "supports 962 unique systems"

04:00:00 mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> Imma spend a few hours now reading fraudsters and listening to Lynyrd Skynyrd to get the liberal brainwashing out. << i lollered.

04:00:15 asciilifeform: the 'let's run complex proggies in the browser' thing is monumentally retarded. esp. in light of how it actually works in practice (e.g. js and its all-numerics-are-floats, etc)

04:00:36 punkman: yeah I can't disagree with that

04:01:05 asciilifeform: 'let's use machine whose architecture is in no sense standardized, with approx. the performance of a 486 dx-100'

04:01:49 mircea_popescu: it's fun!!1

04:02:11 mircea_popescu: standards are racist. the spec is the code. WE ARE BRINGING STUFF TO AFRICA

04:02:31 mircea_popescu: economists agree. i have heard from entrepreneurs. we'll discuss it in san jose

04:02:39 mircea_popescu: someone should make a gavin retardobot

04:03:04 asciilifeform: when do we get africa brought to these folks.

04:03:13 thestringpuller: ;;calc 5/12

04:03:13 gribble: 0.416666666667

04:03:17 asciilifeform: preferably maximally armed, demented africa

04:03:21 asciilifeform: preferably - to san jose

04:03:35 mircea_popescu: that's not really africa, we'll call it isis

04:03:37 mircea_popescu: !up colonel32

04:06:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19414 @ 0.00052056 = 10.1062 BTC [+] {2}

04:07:11 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: anyone who works with power shapers knows better than to hand guide a router << it was hand guided by a robotic hand.

04:07:32 punkman: !up coderwill

04:07:48 coderwill: thanks punkman

04:08:08 coderwill: good evening/morning everyone :)

04:08:10 mircea_popescu: http://www.poisonedminds.com/tests/dic/ btw

04:08:11 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JroS9B )

04:09:20 decimation: gabriel_laddel: sounds like an interesting os, would be worth a spin

04:10:09 coderwill: afternoon too, oops.

04:10:31 coderwill: mircea_popescu: saw your reply RE: circle, yeah, it's almost like they want to be a venmo or square pay now or something

04:11:00 mircea_popescu: they want to be whatever takes no work and provides no service.

04:11:23 mircea_popescu: basically, they wish to be one of those vc scams where "it can't be proven they have no market share" and so... safe investment.

04:12:35 mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel you might have something there.

04:13:27 punkman: mircea_popescu: which dic are you?

04:13:42 mircea_popescu: i dunno it crapped out and gave me straight php code instead of executing it

04:13:51 mircea_popescu: $temp) { $loadpage = "Stalin"; $temp = $Stalin;} if ($Blair > $temp) { $loadpage = "Blair"; $temp = $Blair;} if ($Hitler > $temp) { $loadpage = "Hitler"; $temp = $Hitler;} if ($Bush > $temp) { $loadpage = "Bush"; $temp = $Bush;} if ($Hussein > $temp) { $loadpage = "Hussein"; $temp = $Hussein;} if ($Omar > $temp) { $loadpage = "Omar"; $temp = $Omar;} if ($Castro > $temp) { $loadpage = "Castro"; $temp = $Castro;} if ($Ma

04:13:51 mircea_popescu: o > $temp) { $loadpage = "Mao"; $temp = $Mao;} if ($Milosevic > $temp) { $loadpage = "Milosevic"; } include("http://www.poisonedminds.com/tests/dic/" . $loadpage . ".html"); ?>

04:14:34 mircea_popescu: !up badbitcoinadmin

04:14:53 mircea_popescu: what do you think a "role account" is ?

04:15:29 coderwill: i wonder how they will monetize

04:16:09 mircea_popescu: coderwill considering this is perhaps the 8th or 9th attempt, and all the previous ones monetized in the vessenes manner (whitewashing services for scammers)...

04:17:27 mircea_popescu: http://38.media.tumblr.com/3431bae3b538ec058d5f5d44a8039ed9/tumblr_n9qtidqcvJ1s93wm2o1_400.gif << the princess of freshair

04:17:29 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jrq5hl )

04:17:33 punkman: coderwill, so you work at blockchain.info?

04:18:12 coderwill: no, i quit back in september

04:18:25 punkman: ah smart move

04:18:36 coderwill: ;)

04:18:51 mircea_popescu: are they cutting back on personnel too /

04:19:19 coderwill: i don't think so, it appears they are hiring after closing the round

04:20:29 punkman: did employees get any equity?

04:20:41 coderwill: no, not when i was there it was very strange

04:22:01 coderwill: there were promises of equity but nothing official that i saw (other than verbal)

04:22:10 punkman: !rate coderwill 1 for #b-a voice

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04:24:00 coderwill: thanks

04:24:42 coderwill: people may have some type of vesting now that they announced they had that 30 million raise, i don't know though

04:25:31 mats: 20 to 30 inches of snow anticipated... wtf

04:25:47 coderwill: it's snowmageddon :)

04:26:42 mats: its hilarious that anyone wanted to pay so much as 1mn for blockchain.info

04:26:42 coderwill: i heard it might be the most snow ever for new york city

04:26:50 mircea_popescu: mats two feet in mass.

04:27:11 mats: ya. 75mph gusts anticipated

04:27:16 mats: o_O

04:27:45 mircea_popescu: anyway, everyone was driving their fuel supplies down

04:28:01 mircea_popescu: heating the nw may be problematic.

04:28:31 mats: that reminds me, i should stock up on food and water

04:29:04 coderwill: it's strange, we are having these crazy "polar vortexes" (last year) and now potentially record snow in new york, and earlier this year in buffalo

04:29:20 decimation: re: earlier conversation on the 'need' to travel >> http://charltonteaching.blogspot.com/2011/09/travel-and-mind.html << " Warnie Lewis, a leading expert on Versailles, never visited Versailles."

04:29:22 assbot: Bruce Charlton's Miscellany: Travel and the mind ... ( http://bit.ly/1L9H0Xw )

04:29:23 danielpbarron: https://twitter.com/CBur36/status/559540033263136770

04:29:25 assbot: So /McDonalds is goin to start accepting a random type currency soon.. I wonder it its /search?q=%24btc&src=ctag /hashtag/bitcoin?src=hash

04:29:45 punkman: balmy 15C here, no winter for me :P

04:30:08 punkman: well I did get 0.1 inch of snow few weeks ago

04:30:23 coderwill: i just saw a link the other day that at the same time, 2014 was the warmest year on record - also, something that in the last 10 years a ridiculous amount of warm weather records have been broken

04:30:56 mats: g-g-global warming!

04:32:21 coderwill: wild time to be alive no doubt

04:32:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16050 @ 0.00052308 = 8.3954 BTC [+] {3}

04:32:41 decimation: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2915061/Nasa-climate-scientists-said-2014-warmest-year-record-38-sure-right.html

04:33:12 decimation: "As a result, GISS’s director Gavin Schmidt has now admitted Nasa thinks the likelihood that 2014 was the warmest year since 1880 is just 38 per cent. However, when asked by this newspaper whether he regretted that the news release did not mention this, he did not respond." < lol daily mail

04:33:43 coderwill: interesting

04:33:44 mircea_popescu: decimation "leading expert in english"

04:34:05 mircea_popescu: punkman it's about 28 here.

04:34:41 mircea_popescu: coderwill the "warmest year" bs is just that.

04:35:02 decimation: even the AP published a retraction after the daily mail called them out http://bigstory.ap.org/article/d7375a310ef6475c9841accc756c4ba4/heat-noaa-nasa-say-2014-warmest-year-record

04:35:07 assbot: Clarification: Hottest Year story ... ( http://bit.ly/1L9HP2r )

04:35:08 decimation: "The story also reported that 2014 was the hottest year on record, according to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration and NASA, but did not include the caveat that other recent years had average temperatures that were almost as high — and they all fall within a margin of error that lessens the certainty that any one of the years was the hottest."

04:35:10 decimation: lol

04:35:16 punkman: mircea_popescu: does BA ever get below 0C?

04:35:33 mircea_popescu: punkman not in recorded history.

04:36:04 mircea_popescu: http://40.media.tumblr.com/b0d8476f67041da770a9fcf6567199c6/tumblr_n9fwbqHUdl1sifpsfo1_1280.jpg << hottest chick ever photographed.

04:36:06 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1L9HTiP )

04:36:18 mircea_popescu: *note = other chicks photographed also hot ; exactly how hot is disputed.

04:37:27 decimation: also, there's a large margin of error, but we are really sure that there's a trend here

04:39:10 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: any thoughts re: whether we want an upgrade mechanism in the toy node ?

04:39:26 decimation: asciilifeform: gonna burn some fuses?

04:39:27 mircea_popescu: specifically no.

04:39:35 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that was my thought.

04:39:50 asciilifeform: because guess who is certain to ask 'install upgrade plz'

04:40:00 mircea_popescu: if there's some sort of hole put in deliberately,

04:40:12 mircea_popescu: 90% of its utility/planned use is surrepetitious "upgrades"

04:40:17 asciilifeform: we could conceivably 'tivoize' the thing

04:40:21 mircea_popescu: person wants to upgrade, torch the box set up a new one.

04:40:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24600 @ 0.0005121 = 12.5977 BTC [-] {2}

04:40:41 mircea_popescu: nah, let the owner be in control.

04:40:43 mircea_popescu: but THE OWNER.

04:41:35 asciilifeform: wasn't even thinking of remote upgrade, but local (insert image on stick)

04:41:47 coderwill: speaking of BA, i like the work this design company puts out down there: https://aerolab.co/

04:41:48 assbot: Aerolab - Design and Development for Startups and Leading Brands ... ( http://bit.ly/1L9IAZt )

04:44:38 decimation: http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2015/january/25/adios-cuba/ << " Now, the lame duck Obama administration has finally figured out how to put an end to Cuba’s Communist system: human wave attacks by hordes of American tourists in loud golf wear yelling “USA, USA!” and waving Visa cards." "Cubans are not ready for loud, aggressive tourists shoving money in their faces. Nor are these easy-going islanders

04:44:41 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1L9J1CP )

04:44:41 decimation: mentally prepared for tens of thousands of pushy New Yorkers (I’m also one) or overly emotional Miami Cubans who think they are returning royalty. Waves of carpetbaggers will pour in trying to buy everything that isn’t nailed down with their gringo dollars. Every Cuban exile sees himself as the next El Presidente."

04:46:55 coderwill: mircea_popescu: re: warmest year stuff, yeah, not sold on it either, the weather does seem strange though

04:47:16 coderwill: mircea_popescu: maybe just cylical on a timespan that's not being well perceived

04:48:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41350 @ 0.00050861 = 21.031 BTC [-] {2}

04:48:52 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the flip side of the medal is that these things are not the least bit difficult to reprogram. i can easily picture the phoundation distributing an 'upgrader' anyway

04:48:54 coderwill: e.g. 10 years ago, hurricanes were everywhere in the gulf of mexico, now there are very few

04:49:42 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the most that can be done is to button it up so that replacing bootloader requires soldering on the missing uart pins

04:50:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4500 @ 0.00052478 = 2.3615 BTC [+]

04:52:06 hanbot: asciilifeform: BingoBoingo, cazalla, mircea_popescu, qntra folks: http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/01/23/barrett-browns-prison-time-raises-cybersecurity-journalism-concerns << today this fella went off to jail. << yknow the article only mentions it in passing, but apparently the guy fucked around with an fbi agent. i'd wager the shit he's in has more to do with that than posting w/e link. how many others posted links or even hosted the

04:52:09 assbot: Barrett Brown's Prison Time Raises Cybersecurity, Journalism Concerns - US News ... ( http://bit.ly/1L9JPaQ )

04:52:09 hanbot: stuff themselves? and yet, he's the one in jail.

04:53:29 asciilifeform: hanbot: for various reasons, brown was a good 'example to be made'

04:54:25 asciilifeform: and yes, he is probably guilty of, among other things, insulting a loyal servant of the crown.

04:54:37 coderwill: sheesh, that's pretty scary

04:55:11 asciilifeform: probably even of 'l?se-majest?'.

04:56:01 hanbot: i somehow doubt it's as much a piece of hay in the stack as all that. you piss someone off enough, they'll find what with to beat you.

04:57:31 hanbot: i'm only surprised it wasn't another "child pornography" circus

04:58:07 asciilifeform: can't use the same six words to hang every honest man.

04:58:13 asciilifeform: gotta have some variety.

04:59:24 punkman: good thing everyone's dumpingall their thoughts on twitter and facebook

05:00:47 coderwill: it says that the majority of brown's sentence is from threatening an fbi agent in a youtube video

05:00:55 coderwill: http://time.com/3680594/barrett-brown-sentencing/

05:00:57 assbot: Barrett Brown Defiant After Sentencing Over Stratfor Hacking ... ( http://bit.ly/1EKI6nS )

05:02:32 hanbot: ah, the time piece covers it better, yeah.

05:02:38 punkman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOW7GOrXNZI

05:02:39 assbot: Why I'm Going to Destroy FBI Agent Robert Smith Part Three: Revenge of the Lithe - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1EKIlzi )

05:03:14 asciilifeform: does not follow that, had he not done this deed, would be a free man.

05:05:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24587 @ 0.00052508 = 12.9101 BTC [+] {2}

05:06:27 asciilifeform: there is a ru idiom, 'Дело шито белыми нитками' - 'the [criminal] case is sewn with white thread.'

05:06:56 asciilifeform: it comes from the old-fashioned binding that was used in ussr for court documents - ordinary thread and cardboard cover

05:07:35 asciilifeform: when seals were stamped onto the pages in the binder, the thread - originally white - would turn blue, black, red, depending on the colour of the seal on that page

05:08:19 asciilifeform: but if the pages were moved around at a later date, from the state monkeying with the record, the thread would have to be cut and replaced

05:08:30 asciilifeform: and would end up white in places where one would expect to see a colour.

05:08:51 asciilifeform: hence idiom is used to describe criminal cases such as, well, this one.

05:09:21 hanbot: ha, i like it

05:10:42 mats: http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/one-in-seven-australians-living-in-poverty-according-to-new-report-20141011-114o1b.html

05:10:45 assbot: One in seven Australians living in poverty, according to new report ... ( http://bit.ly/1L9LYUa )

05:11:32 mats: interesting definition of poverty

05:13:27 hanbot: anyway, ludicrous as the entire thing is, the usnews version irked me with subrug sweeping. there are ways to handle agents, and there are ways to set them on the vendetta path.

05:14:41 hanbot: and btw mats re that tinder thing: i remember several years ago reading about some similar jazz (a special watch iirc) in japan for people too timid to meet others on their own

05:14:59 hanbot: tinder seems about there.

05:15:09 asciilifeform: hanbot: 'lovegetty'

05:15:27 asciilifeform: it was, iirc, more of a pocket watch

05:15:42 hanbot: o hey, exactly

05:16:05 asciilifeform: many, i imagine, disappointed buyers.

05:16:15 asciilifeform: machine - cannot increase operator's smv.

05:18:29 hanbot: i mean...i guess if you're very shy, uninterested in changing that, and also interested in fucking other shy people adverse to change, it'd be great, but...really?

05:23:22 punkman: http://www.cuddlrapp.com/

05:23:23 assbot: Cuddlr ... ( http://bit.ly/1L9Nmpz )

05:30:13 asciilifeform: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gcc-4.5-armel-cross/+bug/662887

05:30:14 assbot: Bug #662887 “internal compiler error during U-Boot compilation” : Bugs : gcc-4.5-armel-cross package : Ubuntu ... ( http://bit.ly/1L9Oc5L )

05:30:42 asciilifeform: 'status: New → Won't Fix'

05:30:45 asciilifeform: shitgnomery.

05:32:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13792 @ 0.00050713 = 6.9943 BTC [-]

05:36:20 mats: hanbot: you are an american expat yes? and you understand the peculiarities of american dating culture?

05:37:47 mats: dunno that it has anything to do with shyness. more like... people have become more alone in spite of glowing rectangles supposedly networking us together

05:39:22 mats: anyway such apps are where the college chicks go, so i follow

05:41:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3800 @ 0.00050386 = 1.9147 BTC [-]

05:53:10 *: trinque scratches his head at the btcd+btcctl combo apparently not being able to look up an address's balance without the wallet bits

05:53:24 trinque: btw I am also undata, likely will use this handle from now on

05:53:44 trinque: punkman: did you just keep a local count of deedbot's balance?

05:53:53 punkman: I used electrum

05:54:05 trinque: ah so you had a wallet handy

05:54:33 trinque: http://tbtc.blockr.io/address/info/mpz3LvxS4bucReULkfKYfDCGLGBVChZVow << sending some tests

05:54:34 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1BqRRqv )

05:55:57 punkman: iirc conformal had a lib for accessing the db, no?

05:56:30 punkman: https://github.com/btcsuite/btcdb

05:56:31 assbot: btcsuite/btcdb · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1BqRXhQ )

05:56:57 mircea_popescu: http://40.media.tumblr.com/2d066532878b9879567f4670d6bedabe/tumblr_n562y35wFb1rzzxego1_1280.jpg << for nubbins` war effort.

05:56:59 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1L9QPVd )

05:58:17 mircea_popescu: !gettrust undata

05:58:17 assbot: undata is not registered in WoT.

05:58:23 mircea_popescu: !gettrust trinque

05:58:25 assbot: Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user trinque: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 3 via 1 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/mircea_popescu/trinque | http://w.b-a.link/user/trinque

05:58:31 mircea_popescu: makes sense.

06:04:23 trinque: #btcd tells me I'll eventually be able to query address balance with just btcd and btcctl... seems like keeping its own count is fine, no?

06:09:27 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: missing: the ants.

06:13:39 danielpbarron: http://www.opposingviews.com/i/religion/christian-mom-gives-leggings-god "When I walk into a place and there are women wearing yoga pants everywhere, it's hard to not look. I don't, but it's not easy," Partridge's husband allegedly said.

06:13:40 assbot: Christian Mom Gives Up Leggings For God ... ( http://bit.ly/1BqT2pY )

06:14:50 trinque: mircea_popescu: when the hash of the bundle is not a valid key would you prefer to wait for more deeds, or some other behavior?

06:14:56 trinque: punkman suggests re-hasing

06:17:17 punkman: as per asciilifeform's suggestion ^

06:24:02 mircea_popescu: yes rehash

06:27:06 trinque: k

06:27:39 Adlai: trinque, mircea_popescu, have you had a look yet at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=411974.0 ? (at worst, this would just save some money)

06:27:39 assbot: Promechard: Proprietary Metablock Chains for Arbitrary Data ... ( http://bit.ly/1zeOEfP )

06:27:52 trinque: punkman brings up another good point about the ambiguous ordering of two bundles which end up in the same block

06:41:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33750 @ 0.0005022 = 16.9493 BTC [-] {3}

07:34:15 mircea_popescu: Adlai im no sure what this is supposed to be ?

07:34:30 Adlai: how to do deeds efficiently

07:34:39 mircea_popescu: mno.

07:34:54 mircea_popescu: it's not how to do deeds efficiently, it's how to include people you don't know. i am not interested.

07:35:18 Adlai: that's not what it is, maybe you should read the actual paper?

07:35:36 mircea_popescu: papers of unknown authors chance of being read is ~0%.

07:35:41 mircea_popescu: especially if said authors are alive.

07:35:50 mircea_popescu: let them get in the wot.

07:39:54 Adlai: here's a shorter explanation of the technique: https://mathgate.info/promechard.php

07:39:56 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1xX7wKq )

07:40:52 mircea_popescu: somehow we're not communicating. at issue is the proposition that ideas are worth anything, and somehow people can ride on the value of their ideas.

07:41:07 mircea_popescu: this is false. people can only ride on the value of their reputaiton, and "ideas" are not only worthless, but outright meaningless.

07:41:19 mircea_popescu: i simply don't care what some derps not in the wot think they have to say.

07:42:06 Adlai: who said anything about people riding? i'm not talking about people, i'm talking solely about the idea. if you want some reputation to associate with the idea, shoot the messenger.

07:42:11 mircea_popescu: i am not.

07:42:16 mircea_popescu: i am never talking about any idea.

07:42:30 mircea_popescu: unless it starts with "here's what X said", im ignoring it.

07:43:23 mircea_popescu: unsigned code doesn't exist. "ideas" never happened. etc.

07:44:23 mircea_popescu: i guess i should add "culture" to the list of things bitcoin is disrupting.

07:44:24 *: Adlai says, deedbot can spend half as much coin and create zero as much pollution; if there's interest, he can review and sign the code doing it

07:44:25 mircea_popescu: brb

07:45:03 mircea_popescu: Adlai how much it spends is arbitrarily small anyway, and set to a certain sum more to encourage the diggers than anything tho ?

07:45:48 Adlai: the promechard technique can still have any fee you like, and it'd go directly to the miners, rather than into an unspendable output

07:46:05 mircea_popescu: the output is spendable.

07:46:33 Adlai: hash(clearsigned gpg message) is spendable?

07:47:11 mircea_popescu: it keeps hashing until it makes a valid pubkey yes

07:47:39 Adlai: to which it has the privkey?

07:47:52 mircea_popescu: that's the whole idea, anyone can spend the sum on the basis of the notarized documents.

07:49:56 Adlai: hm. why?

07:50:47 mircea_popescu: doubles as a faucet, basically.

07:51:00 Adlai: so it's spendable (by the earliest bird!), but it's still a tiny amount. this is like leaving a beggar individual pennies, more insulting than anything else

07:51:34 mircea_popescu: !up blah

07:51:46 mircea_popescu: i dun follow.

07:51:48 Adlai: lol alright, if that's the intent, it makes sense

07:52:24 fluffypony: this guy was basically mircea_popescu - http://i.imgur.com/7lILO4H.jpg

07:52:25 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1yUhsbK )

07:52:48 mircea_popescu: lol

07:53:05 mircea_popescu: fluffypony i just spent today listening to "i did it my way" and thinking frankie was basically me.

07:53:14 mircea_popescu: oddly enough, mailer looks like sinatra!

07:54:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1000 @ 0.001089 = 1.089 BTC [-]

08:04:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55764 @ 0.00049925 = 27.8402 BTC [-] {2}

08:17:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1000 @ 0.00102 = 1.02 BTC [-] {3}

08:22:21 fluffypony: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2tme2e/i_will_be_going_to_africa_this_summer_to/

08:22:24 assbot: I will be going to Africa this summer to introduce bitcoin to airline services, hotel services and much much more! I will also be hosting a blog soon so I can update on the progress made! Hey who knows I might start an african bitcoin foundation while I am there : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/15zN22s )

08:22:31 fluffypony: fucking retard.

08:26:21 Adlai: maybe he'll reach some of the 419 scammers, that would give free marketing, like cryptolocker et al

08:35:20 punkman: http://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/BN-GP571_0126ma_P_20150125204027.jpg

08:35:22 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/18iUNMh )

08:45:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2200 @ 0.00050386 = 1.1085 BTC [+]

08:53:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2100 @ 0.00109009 = 2.2892 BTC [+] {7}

08:57:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3750 @ 0.00114917 = 4.3094 BTC [+] {13}

09:03:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4155 @ 0.00049875 = 2.0723 BTC [-]

09:06:52 punkman: ;;ticker

09:06:53 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 302.62, Best ask: 304.41, Bid-ask spread: 1.79000, Last trade: 302.62, 24 hour volume: 48938.56740845, 24 hour low: 241.33, 24 hour high: 309.9, 24 hour vwap: 266.093376488

09:24:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 16 @ 0.10598299 = 1.6957 BTC [+] {4}

09:30:52 fluffypony: http://np.reddit.com/r/worldpolitics/comments/2to7nl/poverty_inc_argues_that_wall_street_and_the/co12mef?context=3

09:30:54 assbot: gloomdoom comments on Poverty Inc. argues that Wall Street and the banking industry’s portrayal of "business as usual" is undermining our democracy, shattering the lives of working class families and the poor, while endangering the very environmental balance of the planet. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JMMwfa )

09:41:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41100 @ 0.00049179 = 20.2126 BTC [-] {2}

09:42:42 davout: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-01-2015#992434 <<< yes please

09:42:42 assbot: Logged on 26-01-2015 03:06:29; thestringpuller: gabriel_laddel: A copy of SimCity 2000 built in.

09:43:00 davout: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-01-2015#992501 <<< yes please

09:43:00 assbot: Logged on 26-01-2015 04:02:39; mircea_popescu: someone should make a gavin retardobot

09:43:51 davout: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-01-2015#992657 <<< you merely need the unspent outs

09:43:51 assbot: Logged on 26-01-2015 05:53:10; *: trinque scratches his head at the btcd+btcctl combo apparently not being able to look up an address's balance without the wallet bits

09:54:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1344 @ 0.00107998 = 1.4515 BTC [-]

10:13:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18534 @ 0.00049772 = 9.2247 BTC [+]

10:33:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1000 @ 0.00101048 = 1.0105 BTC [-] {5}

10:39:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16350 @ 0.00048965 = 8.0058 BTC [-] {2}

10:52:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50300 @ 0.00049677 = 24.9875 BTC [+] {2}

11:03:16 mircea_popescu: Adlai : http://fraudsters.com/2015/ok-so-what-is-bitcoin-disrupting/ updated nao

11:03:17 assbot: Ok, so what is Bitcoin disrupting ? pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1CIl3uS )

11:08:39 mircea_popescu: http://edgeandback.ro/how-luke-evans-came-in-romania-and-the-romanian-press-wasnt-invited/ << lulzy butthurt.

11:08:42 assbot: How Luke Evans came in Romania and the Romanian press wasn't invited | Edge and Back ... ( http://bit.ly/1CIlky3 )

11:10:04 Adlai: if it wasn't clear, by http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-01-2015#992700 means "act as though the first wot member who suggests an idea invented it"

11:10:04 assbot: Logged on 26-01-2015 07:42:06; Adlai: who said anything about people riding? i'm not talking about people, i'm talking solely about the idea. if you want some reputation to associate with the idea, shoot the messenger.

11:11:57 mircea_popescu: prolly the way it'll work.

11:11:59 Adlai: i wasn't bringing this up as "look at coinbase, they're doing something!", but as "maybe i can help your thing do its stuff better" (setting aside the bit about deedbot doubling as a faucet, which works fine in the current method)

11:12:21 mircea_popescu: yeh, i got that.

11:13:19 Adlai: either way, i really oughtta spend my time chasing floats instead of ec points

11:13:56 mircea_popescu: what's ec points ?

11:14:18 Adlai: elliptic curve points

11:14:58 Adlai: ie, working on scalpl rather than studying crypto curiosities

11:15:20 mircea_popescu: ah. well honestly, on the face of it, that sounded backwards.

11:15:37 Adlai: how so?

11:15:42 mircea_popescu: like... srsly, floats rather than elliptic curve points ?!

11:16:20 mircea_popescu: "i should spend my time finding grass rather than fish".

11:16:59 Adlai: yeah it doesn't make much sense because it's a stupid pursuit, i'm hunting out floating point arithmetic now that scalpl needs to quack a little less like a prototype

11:17:03 mircea_popescu: anyway. scalpl made a killing on the rise ? or got kinda murdered ?

11:17:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42563 @ 0.00050252 = 21.3888 BTC [+] {2}

11:17:47 mircea_popescu: http://40.media.tumblr.com/6915e105aacb853a3d129ca49d59a7de/tumblr_n5gtpcUuwc1tbxihoo1_1280.jpg

11:17:48 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1CIlKEA )

11:18:52 Adlai: it never makes killings or gets kinda murdered, it just creeps along. sometimes it bleeds a little from the ears when the volume gets too loud.

11:19:11 *: Adlai is listening to: Metallica - The Call Of Ktulu (8:54)

11:20:35 Adlai: re IV - art is neither dead nor dying, but tastes change, and the financial incentives about them... maybe if it becomes less profitable overall, there'll be less crap commercialized art such as pop music or koons balloons

11:26:01 mircea_popescu: there's nothing to do with "tastes"

11:26:07 mircea_popescu: art is purely prescriptive.

11:29:02 Adlai: the eradication of a disease doesn't signal the end of medicine, just a change of "tastes". same for art's prescriptions

11:31:32 Adlai: the nice thing about firing clients is that you get to work for yourself!

11:35:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2627 @ 0.0010089 = 2.6504 BTC [-] {12}

13:41:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38600 @ 0.00050221 = 19.3853 BTC [-] {2}

13:43:28 jurov: \ele

13:46:38 mircea_popescu: http://www.worldtribune.com/2015/01/23/obama-administration-intervened-argentine-probe-iranian-leader-jewish-center-bombing/

13:46:40 assbot: Obama administration intervened in Argentine probe of Iranian leader, Jewish center bombing - World Tribune | World Tribune ... ( http://bit.ly/1C6yBRT )

13:46:44 mircea_popescu: theplot that keeps on thickening.

13:55:09 Adlai: so in the pre-bitcoin economy, entrepeneurs sought financiers. what do you call a well-capitalized wot presence that lends its credibility to a bitcoin venture?

13:57:46 mircea_popescu: i would guess a financier, what's wrong with that ?

13:58:08 Adlai: nothing, just wondering what you'd call them in this economy

13:58:31 *: Adlai seeks a wot financier. inquiries welcome in private or public, whichever is preferred.

13:58:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.00050386 = 4.6859 BTC [+]

13:58:59 Adlai: rise, chicken! you may lay another egg yet.

13:59:50 mircea_popescu: lol

13:59:56 mircea_popescu: later!

14:00:26 Adlai: o/

14:03:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21000 @ 0.00051082 = 10.7272 BTC [+] {4}

14:04:59 punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8PQVvEIIAI10Uw.jpg

14:04:59 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1C6DBpu )

14:12:17 Adlai: (my idea has exactly nothing to do with elliptic curves)

14:12:36 mike_c: sekrit idea?

14:13:08 Adlai: !s inquiries from:adlai

14:13:09 assbot: 0 results for 'inquiries from:adlai' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=inquiries+from%3Aadlai

14:13:22 Adlai: blah. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-01-2015#992794 << mike_c

14:13:22 assbot: Logged on 26-01-2015 13:58:31; *: Adlai seeks a wot financier. inquiries welcome in private or public, whichever is preferred.

14:13:40 punkman: Adlai: for scalpl?

14:13:48 mike_c: yes, i saw that. so what's the idea?

14:14:55 Adlai: a scalpl-managed fund, where investors could add or withdraw bitcoin in a manner similar to how X.EUR handles settlements

14:16:09 Adlai: there are a bunch of variables in this arrangement, such as - who has what control of which accounts

14:16:35 punkman: as in kraken accounts?

14:18:06 Adlai: any exchange where the fund would trade. scalpl currently supports btce, bitfinex, and kraken, but the api is modular and more can be added (not my focus atm, but ~3 days of work per exchange if necessary)

14:22:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24800 @ 0.0005019 = 12.4471 BTC [-]

14:37:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16150 @ 0.00050301 = 8.1236 BTC [+] {3}

14:39:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26735 @ 0.00051221 = 13.6939 BTC [+] {2}

14:41:22 davout: Adlai: so ppl deposit funds with you, you put them on some exchange (or people push funds to your exchange account) and whatever p/l scalpl makes is distributed among them, minus your fee?

14:41:53 thestringpuller: lol bond holder and profit sharer tightly coupled

14:42:42 Adlai: that's one constellation, but not the one i'd prefer

14:44:09 davout: what's the arrangement you'd prefer?

14:45:12 Adlai: i'd rather the accounts belong to the financier(s). they lend reputation - people trust them not to run off more than they'd trust me, and they lend their credibility to account statements. my role would be setting up scalpl, possibly maintenance, analysis, development - but on a case by case basis, as seen fit by the financier(s) and/or shareholders

14:46:18 Adlai: the most i'd ever have control of is api keys with trade permission, but not withdrawal permission; and it could easily be arranged that i never touch api keys myself, just deliver code or service an app taken offline, with api keys expunged from its server.

14:47:26 davout: ok, that i get

14:47:48 Adlai: also, for my own psychological reasons at this phase in my life, i'd rather get a carpenter's salary than equity in the furniture shop

14:48:48 Adlai: although this is flexible, and it could make sense to establish a minimum stake for alignment of interests

14:49:06 davout: unless i'm mistaken equity would be irrelevant if you structure that as a bond, amirite

14:49:15 davout: that too

14:52:21 Adlai: by structure as a bond, you mean - anybody deposits the amount they want, and has p/l tracked (and dividends paid) for that amount?

14:54:57 Adlai: i'm not certain how you'd handle that technically, because you want deposits to reach exchange accounts, in various proportions; do you have bond-buyers deposit directly into the exchange accounts, and the financier submits to the exchange signed statements of bond deposits to issue shares?

14:55:17 Adlai: i guess you don't even need shares if it's bonded in this manner, it can just be a bond directly between the exchange owner and depositors

14:55:24 Adlai: you don't even need the exchange!

14:56:09 davout: to me there's two distinct things

14:56:19 davout: the exchange where scalpl does its thing

14:56:26 davout: the exchange where the bond is traded

14:56:51 davout: say there is an account on paymium with 100 BTC in it which i deposited

14:56:54 Adlai: right. you need an exchange to scalp, but you don't *need* to trade the bonds

14:56:57 Adlai: ok

14:57:10 davout: i issue 100 bonds with a 1 BTC face value

14:57:37 danielpbarron: Adlai> also, for my own psychological reasons at this phase in my life, i'd rather get a carpenter's salary << probably not the best metaphor

14:57:37 davout: one week later, scalpl made 7% profit

14:57:59 davout: we now have 107 BTC in the exchange account

14:58:31 davout: the bonds should now trade for 1.07 BTC

14:59:20 Adlai: should, assuming that the market has access to that information; this would depend on how transparently the fund is operated. weekly statements? daily? per-trade?

14:59:21 davout: if you take a bond out of circulation you refund it as (amount in exchange acct)/100

14:59:41 davout: ideally upon request

15:00:04 Adlai: most fun is just publishing readonly api keys to the accounts in the listing

15:00:06 davout: not saying this is in any way the correct way to structure that thing, simply thinking out loud

15:00:15 davout: yup, readonly keys, win

15:00:26 davout: wire that to a b-a bot

15:01:34 davout: the problem i see is that each (financier, exchange) pair represents basically a different bond

15:01:52 davout: you'd take your fee in the form of free bonds

15:02:19 Adlai: is that a problem, or just an artefact of market segmentation?

15:02:48 davout: i see it as a problem in the sense that they're not really fungible

15:02:53 Adlai: D.XYZW are distinct, despite being cut from the same stuff

15:03:28 Adlai: so you can have distinct S.CALP.PAYM etc

15:03:55 davout: yes, not a problem if the bonds clearly state that

15:03:57 Adlai: danielpbarron: 'i choose my words carefully, and i never repeat myself' ?

15:04:10 Adlai: sure, each bond can be a separate contract between a financier and the exchange

15:04:22 jurov: why not just offer scalpl as service for some fee?

15:04:36 danielpbarron: Adlai, just some topical humor; don't mind me :p

15:04:43 Adlai: :)

15:05:21 Adlai: jurov: overhead

15:05:51 Adlai: in a sense, it's currently offered as a service for some fee - my time in dealing with your (not personally anybody in this channel) bullshit

15:05:55 jurov: overhead compared to what? structuring/trading bonds?

15:07:13 Adlai: overhead compared to having a collaborator handle financing (of both forms), leaving me to focus on scalpl itself

15:08:18 jurov: mkay

15:12:07 Adlai: in case it fell between the cracks - i'm always interested in 'alpha testers', especially if they see it as a service rather than a freebie that a sucker on irc will walk them through for his own warm fuzzies

15:14:20 Adlai: another reason to work with a financier is that it opens up the door for exchange presence in the wot

15:14:55 Adlai: let's say davout handles this for paymium, and it brings them increasing business. smart exchanges may follow suit.

15:15:36 Adlai: it's most idiomatic for the reputation at risk to be that of the exchange owner

15:15:48 *: Adlai pokes STRML

15:18:08 mats: https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20150123/07461729791/former-head-gchq-warns-ethically-worse-kinds-spying-if-unbreakable-encryption-is-allowed.shtml "HUMINT is sooo expensive..."

15:18:11 assbot: Former Head of GCHQ Warns Of 'Ethically Worse' Kinds Of Spying If Unbreakable Encryption Is Allowed | Techdirt ... ( http://bit.ly/15L3ldL )

15:19:54 Adlai: um, forcing ethically worse spying is the point. cf HGW XX/7

15:21:36 *: Adlai refers the yet-uncultured to http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_lives_of_others/

15:21:39 assbot: The Lives of Others - Rotten Tomatoes ... ( http://bit.ly/15CjlhA )

15:23:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44944 @ 0.00050579 = 22.7322 BTC [-] {2}

15:23:58 Apocalyptic: Adlai, good film that one

15:25:33 Adlai: also, i'm not yet a Serenissima Accreddited™ Investor, and that kind of coin isn't exactly burning holes in my wallet; so if this is to happen before the next major fiat devaluation...

15:28:03 Adlai: Apocalyptic: see what i mean about ethical spying? cf http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-11-2014#919932

15:28:03 assbot: Logged on 13-11-2014 16:38:23; asciilifeform: Adlai: darcs << as a military man, perhaps you are familiar with systems that could be automated easily, but aren't? e.g., ru nuke sub controls

15:29:44 Adlai: cf http://aeon.co/magazine/technology/are-we-ready-for-companies-that-run-themselves/ and are we ready for scamferences that fund themselves?

15:29:46 assbot: Are we ready for companies that run themselves? – David Morris – Aeon ... ( http://bit.ly/15L5S7P )

15:31:06 Apocalyptic: I don't know there is such a thing as "ethical spying", the whole formula must be a joke

15:32:21 BingoBoingo: Re: Toy node discussion - Selling point for such a thing may be "privacy proxy" for Lite wallets.

15:34:03 Adlai: which is exactly why spying shouldn't be automated. maybe there's a situation where a person feels justified listening in on a conversation without explicit permission, but that call shouldn't be made in advance by a bureaucrat for every single conversation unto eternity

15:36:01 Adlai: BingoBoingo: sure, put spv servers of your choice on physically separate machines with reasonable rpc access to the node

15:37:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.00051106 = 10.2212 BTC [+] {3}

15:37:32 thestringpuller: http://www.comcastro.com/2015/01/4-stevie-frederick-bitcoin-101-wtf-is-btc/

15:37:37 thestringpuller: http://www.comcastro.com/2015/01/5-stevie-frederick-bitcoin-202-new-world-order/

15:37:45 thestringpuller: ^- listen to me talk nonsense about bitcoin

15:37:48 thestringpuller: lol

15:37:55 Adlai: no need to put more turds onto the existing pile... and if you do, how do you pick which one? electrum-server, obelisk, etc?

15:38:18 BingoBoingo: Adlai: Well, SPV as the powerrangers say it now tends to mean the Bloom filter derp. If enough space is budgeted for the nodes though "address history" type arrangement like electrum server could work if electrum server did not rival bitcoind itself as a hog.

15:38:20 thestringpuller: ls

15:39:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19601 @ 0.0005054 = 9.9063 BTC [-]

15:39:37 Adlai: it shouldn't *need* anything beyond the current full node. if some fancier spv node wants bloom filters, put 0.9.bloom on its box and have it just listen to the safe node

15:39:58 Adlai: simple means simple damnit!

15:43:04 BingoBoingo: Yes, shouldn't indeed means shouldn't. https://github.com/spesmilo/electrum-server is the address history beast I was thinking of. Note that can become rapidly unfeasible on Gavincoin as does not take kindly to any pruning.

15:43:05 assbot: spesmilo/electrum-server · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/15L8eDz )

15:44:25 BingoBoingo: That thing builds its own indexed database of a size comparable to the block chain.

15:46:33 *: Adlai has started to think of pruning in a different manner - rather than reclaiming hard disk space, 'pruning' just means you can provably flush certain transactions from various caches. it's a time/space optimization, not a change of the glob's outward behavior

15:46:41 BingoBoingo: http://log.b-a.link/?date=26-01-2015#992788 << Wait, so Christina may have been set up by Obola?

15:46:41 assbot: Logged on 26-01-2015 13:46:38; mircea_popescu: http://www.worldtribune.com/2015/01/23/obama-administration-intervened-argentine-probe-iranian-leader-jewish-center-bombing/

15:47:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3749 @ 0.0005054 = 1.8947 BTC [-]

15:56:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8801 @ 0.00049533 = 4.3594 BTC [-]

15:58:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1308 @ 0.00100476 = 1.3142 BTC [-] {9}

16:14:55 Adlai: another possible initial step for a cautious financier: pilot MPIF profit center

16:28:32 Adlai: another possible incentive: first financier consults gratis through march 1st

16:31:12 Adlai: now that's enough selling for one month

16:33:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2839 @ 0.00110533 = 3.138 BTC [+] {7}

16:37:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1178 @ 0.00117389 = 1.3828 BTC [+] {4}

16:38:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1050 @ 0.00117581 = 1.2346 BTC [+] {4}

16:40:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3496 @ 0.00117799 = 4.1183 BTC [+] {4}

16:41:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1373 @ 0.00117893 = 1.6187 BTC [+] {2}

16:49:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29219 @ 0.00050677 = 14.8073 BTC [+] {2}

17:02:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12800 @ 0.00049959 = 6.3948 BTC [-]

17:21:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12400 @ 0.00051613 = 6.4 BTC [+] {2}

17:25:45 jurov: Adlai you want scalpl to become one of mpif profit centers?

17:26:51 Adlai: 'want' is a strong word. i'm suggesting it as a possibility, to an intrepid [General] Manager

17:34:36 BingoBoingo: !up bitspill

17:35:44 scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/01/csm-profiles-homero-j-garza-serial-entrepreneur/

17:40:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38400 @ 0.00051866 = 19.9165 BTC [+] {3}

18:03:05 *: xanthyos

18:31:20 BingoBoingo: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8S5Kg7IAAABEFX.jpg

18:31:21 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1ziRP6s )

18:42:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11400 @ 0.00052046 = 5.9332 BTC [+]

18:58:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20400 @ 0.00052258 = 10.6606 BTC [+] {2}

19:21:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39722 @ 0.00052503 = 20.8552 BTC [+] {3}

19:36:43 coderwill: hello all

19:38:09 jurov: hi coderwill

19:38:24 coderwill: how are you, jurov?

19:39:14 jurov: it's okay. today i was marrying hdd and ssd in btrfs raid

19:39:27 jurov: dunno why i do such crazy stuff. but works so far

19:39:49 coderwill: cool

19:42:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 300 @ 0.007 = 2.1 BTC [+]

19:45:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3500 @ 0.0005014 = 1.7549 BTC [-]

19:48:25 thestringpuller: tis quiet

19:48:26 thestringpuller: too quiet

19:51:07 []bot: Bet placed: 1.46308271 BTC for Yes on "BTC back over $300 before March" http://bitbet.us/bet/1110/ Odds: 72(Y):28(N) by coin, 71(Y):29(N) by weight. Total bet: 7.15636312 BTC. Current weight: 76,473.

20:05:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1441 @ 0.00110723 = 1.5955 BTC [+] {7}

20:06:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.00052566 = 4.3104 BTC [+]

20:18:37 BingoBoingo: Things reddit dun like https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2tr5dy/this_is_the_true_thought_leader_of_bitcoin/

20:18:39 assbot: This is the true thought leader of Bitcoin : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1yJrOLr )

20:21:42 BingoBoingo: Facebook, for the still Poorer http://www.slate.com/blogs/business_insider/2015/01/26/facebook_android_users_in_developing_countries_can_now_use_facebook_lite.html

20:21:44 assbot: Facebook: Android users in developing countries can now use "Facebook Lite" as a simplified version of the social media networking app. ... ( http://bit.ly/1yJsfVV )

20:25:17 jurov: their bloat is unusable on 2y old android

20:25:23 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo lol thanks.

20:25:26 jurov: so they had to

20:26:14 mircea_popescu: "Bitcoin's thought-leader hangs out with people who pay underage girls for sex?" wut exactly is this ? i don't hang out with reddit...

20:27:04 davout: i already love this reddit thread

20:27:46 mircea_popescu: davout: Adlai: so ppl deposit funds with you, you put them on some exchange (or people push funds to your exchange account) and whatever p/l scalpl makes is distributed among them, minus your fee? << this sounds to me more like a classical fund

20:28:04 mircea_popescu: scalpl's irrelevant in this discussion, people don't care about it, people just care "i'm investing with adlai and he keeps the thing going"

20:28:15 mircea_popescu: much like panacea used to work, at least back when f.mpif had an investment.

20:28:21 jurov: https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/2tp2d7/ok_so_what_is_bitcoin_disrupting/ << same, not so lulzy tho

20:28:23 assbot: Ok, so what is Bitcoin disrupting? : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1yJt1SM )

20:28:23 mircea_popescu: anyway, how much capital are you looking for ?

20:29:02 mircea_popescu: "I'm certain he has no actual experience with that topic, unless you count webcam sessions with the working ladies over at girls gone bitcoin."

20:29:04 mircea_popescu: dude, srsly ?

20:29:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1312 @ 0.00110745 = 1.453 BTC [-] {4}

20:29:39 mircea_popescu: somebody drop the classic http://fraudsters.com/2010/nsfw-mosu-cu-joarda/ on r/buttcoin, see how they talk it away ?

20:29:39 assbot: NSFW - Mosu' cu joarda pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1yJtdS9 )

20:31:17 mircea_popescu: !up sensorii

20:33:35 mircea_popescu: anyway, it's kinda fun to wake up at 7pm to a bowlful of internet impotent rage.

20:34:04 *: mircea_popescu pours some milk, adds some cornflakes, eats it up, spits it out...

20:34:13 mircea_popescu: ...aaaaand dooooesss it hiiiiiiissss waaaaayyyy

20:42:31 davout: poor winklevii, they got cock-blocked so hard by the coinbase guys

20:42:48 mircea_popescu: lol saw that ?

20:45:46 mircea_popescu: !up phillipsjk

20:46:09 davout: forever alone winklevii

20:46:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10734 @ 0.00049972 = 5.364 BTC [-] {2}

20:46:53 mircea_popescu: lol kinda, yeah.

20:47:06 mircea_popescu: they're suffering from fat rich kid syndrome.

20:48:02 davout: what's the fat rich kid syndrome?

20:52:06 trinque: their only real claim to fame being "we sued hoodie CEO"

20:52:29 trinque: the guy who almost had a heart attack talking to Walt Mossberg

20:55:29 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: has no experience in fucking, although he keeps a harem.

21:00:24 hanbot: mats> dunno that it has anything to do with shyness. more like... people have become more alone in spite of glowing rectangles supposedly networking us together << it has everything to do with shyness tho, so long as what tinder's doing is removing the basic requirement of walking up to someone and asking if they'd like to drink/dance/fuck/whatever

21:01:19 davout: hanbot: i agree, the rectangles have merely made shy people more visible where shyness doesn't actually matter

21:01:23 hanbot: as though being turned down to your face is something to be avoided at all absurdities

21:01:39 hanbot: davout mhm!

21:10:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3600 @ 0.00049743 = 1.7907 BTC [-] {2}

21:17:37 mircea_popescu: davout rich kid is ahead of the other kids, because his parents are technically a magic wand. fat kid is behind the other kids, because fat is unappealing. this tension creates very insane sort of behaviours.

21:18:01 davout: hah

21:18:05 mircea_popescu: generally it ends up twisted in the position where the other kids drive the wedge of forcing him to do things his magic wand disapproves of.

21:18:19 mircea_popescu: course the more perceptive magic wands try to do the exact same.

21:18:55 mircea_popescu: but in any case, nature abhors a tension, and it will be resolved.

21:19:58 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller obviously. because the god of reddit hath so ordained that everything that can exist is directly accessible with no effort to anyone, and so... three second's effort is good enuf to form any opinion!

21:22:04 mircea_popescu: trinque for a minute there i thought hoodie is an actual vc "company"

21:23:54 mircea_popescu: btw mossberg got axed iirc ? he still around ?

21:24:25 mircea_popescu: in any event : http://41.media.tumblr.com/9ea31aa205736d9e7d22e95933f71218/tumblr_mz3e5lUWNv1sayo9ko1_1280.jpg

21:24:26 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1LclmBV )

21:26:05 trinque: mircea_popescu: I'm sure there's some shartup out there going by Hoodie

21:26:41 mircea_popescu: Hoodie enables you to express yourself through technology by making web app development very fast, easy and accessible. It's a complete backend for your ...

21:26:44 trinque: dunno what mossberg's doing now; the event I'm recalling is... All Things Digital maybe? Zuck nearly had a panic attack responding to softball questions.

21:26:46 mircea_popescu: and right you are.

21:26:53 *: trinque shakes his head

21:27:06 trinque: this industry... burn it to the ground

21:27:16 mircea_popescu: working on it.

21:27:57 mircea_popescu: but meanwhile, http://40.media.tumblr.com/288689bfce3297a527e3b75a300b107e/tumblr_mw9fallq2Y1rdaiz9o1_500.jpg

21:27:58 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1LcmchU )

21:29:22 trinque: dem curves!

21:30:36 davout: mircea_popescu trinque "hoodie is a committed team dedicated to hand-making gorgeous organic sweat shirts, delivered right to your door by our awesome fixie riders"

21:30:47 mircea_popescu: wait two of em ?!

21:30:53 mircea_popescu: http://hood.ie

21:30:54 assbot: hood.ie ... ( http://bit.ly/1LcmO7a )

21:31:47 davout: lol no i just made that up

21:31:52 mircea_popescu: i love how "awesome" has come to mean "i think we're not paying these dudes enough". originally teh various journalist herdsmen thought they were being oh so clever

21:32:15 mircea_popescu: but twenty years later sheer usage has worked the surfaces of the thing into the exact shape of its meaning.

21:32:27 mircea_popescu: wisdom of the crowds, this is exactly what it means.

21:35:46 mircea_popescu: !up CoraCrisT

21:36:11 CoraCrisT: thanks, M.

21:36:14 CoraCrisT: hey guys

21:36:54 mircea_popescu: sure. get in the wot already, you'll regret each wasted day in a few years.

21:40:50 mircea_popescu: davout: one week later, scalpl made 7% profit <<< best rng ever :D

21:42:44 thestringpuller: hanbot: this reminds me of my college where guise didn't know anything about this socializing thing.

21:43:15 thestringpuller: hanbot: "Lets be nice as possible to the girl and maybe she'll touch me even though I'm an awkward neck beard who needs more rejection"

21:49:06 pete_dushenski: howdy assets!

21:49:14 mircea_popescu: ello

21:49:53 pete_dushenski: how's that air in ba today?

21:50:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29100 @ 0.00049559 = 14.4217 BTC [-] {2}

21:51:14 mircea_popescu: pretty sweet. http://40.media.tumblr.com/db77d8ed29ba1ef06ef579f07e658d47/tumblr_mr26k5HDwO1s7eb1eo1_1280.jpg

21:51:16 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lcrmus )

21:52:09 pete_dushenski: it's really not bad here either, all things considered.

21:52:20 pete_dushenski: i'll take 0C in january

22:04:06 pete_dushenski: The chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff has established a research and essay competition in honor of Saudi Arabia’s King Abdullah Bin Abdul-Aziz hosted by the National Defense University.

22:04:40 pete_dushenski: no word on how big the purse is

22:09:13 mircea_popescu: Adlai: in case it fell between the cracks - i'm always interested in 'alpha testers', especially if they see it as a service rather than a freebie that a sucker on irc will walk them through for his own warm fuzzies << heh the problem of "contests" and "giveaways" etc.

22:10:18 pete_dushenski: manual scoop: http://www.contravex.com/2015/01/26/even-north-korea-knows-that-public-relations-isnt-about-being-nice-anymore/

22:10:19 assbot: Even North Korea knows that public relations isn’t about being nice anymore. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lcvri6 )

22:10:19 mircea_popescu: mats: former-head-gchq-warns-ethically-worse-kinds-spying-if-unbreakable-encryption-is-allowed << asswipes in temper tantrum mode. "if we don't get chocolate we will piss in the bet"

22:10:57 mircea_popescu: somehow the obvious "bitch, if you piss in the bed you will be digging ditches naked 18 hours a day for the next five years." isn't quite obvious to gchq angry children.

22:12:03 pete_dushenski: and of course "ethical" is whatever benefits my narrow range of interests

22:12:18 pete_dushenski: because i'm the pre-copernican church

22:15:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45000 @ 0.00051104 = 22.9968 BTC [+] {2}

22:16:51 davout: !rated itkin

22:16:51 assbot: itkin is not registered in WoT.

22:17:03 davout: ;;rated itkin

22:17:03 gribble: You have not yet rated user itkin

22:17:36 TheNewDeal: ;;ident

22:17:36 gribble: Nick 'TheNewDeal', with hostmask 'TheNewDeal!~TheNewDea@unaffiliated/thenewdeal', is identified as user 'TheNewDeal', with GPG key id DFBEC17DF96DFB77, key fingerprint 468950118F292A0AA73BCCC3DFBEC17DF96DFB77, and bitcoin address None

22:18:40 TheNewDeal: ;;nethash

22:18:40 gribble: 272295812.481

22:18:43 TheNewDeal: ;;bc,stats

22:18:46 gribble: Current Blocks: 340603 | Current Difficulty: 4.397166205608958E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 340703 | Next Difficulty In: 100 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 18 hours, 53 minutes, and 51 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 41248798297.7 | Estimated Percent Change: -6.19231

22:22:38 mircea_popescu: dropping again huh

22:23:55 pete_dushenski: looking that way.

22:24:13 pete_dushenski: that exahash is taking forever

22:24:21 pete_dushenski: i want it nao!

22:27:03 pete_dushenski: Uber promises not to price-gouge during massive east-coast blizzard << because what are prices good for anyways ?

22:29:16 mircea_popescu: "uber promises to make the market not work"

22:29:34 mircea_popescu: tell you what : if there's fifty people willingm to pay 1 dollar and five people willing to pay 10 dollars, and 5 cabs,

22:29:40 mircea_popescu: the cabs should fucking cost 10 dollar.

22:30:03 pete_dushenski: and if there's one cab, $100

22:31:00 pete_dushenski: this is how you get "everyone should have meat with every meal" turning agriculture into a 'meat' production industry

22:31:44 pete_dushenski: !up phillipsjk

22:32:04 pete_dushenski: heya phillipsjk, who are you?

22:32:15 phillipsjk: Have people been experiencing DDOS attacks? I have the sketchiest data, but suspect 1.2Gbps on saturday and larger today

22:32:57 pete_dushenski: there were a few "ddosbot" attacks over the weekend, ya

22:33:00 phillipsjk: Hi, I am James Phillips, dishwasher from Canada.

22:33:11 pete_dushenski: welcome

22:33:30 phillipsjk: I am not even running a bitcoin node. (only Friecoin) on this connection.

22:33:44 phillipsjk: I wonder if just joining this channel gets me on the hit-list.

22:34:00 pete_dushenski: if it did, you'd know already

22:34:14 pete_dushenski: i was hit within 30 seconds of logging on sans cloak

22:34:27 pete_dushenski: downed my internet for 30 minutes or so

22:34:38 mircea_popescu: phillipsjk told you the same in pm lol, did you get that ?

22:34:50 pete_dushenski: no ?

22:35:06 phillipsjk: he uped me

22:35:52 pete_dushenski: phillipsjk: so what intel do you have about these attacks?

22:36:18 phillipsjk: I am considering hooking up a packet sniffer nextime it happens.

22:36:20 thestringpuller: downed my internet for 30 minutes or so << yea that happened to me during netsplit was pretty bad

22:38:25 pete_dushenski: phillipsjk: you're on shawcable, so whereabouts in alberta are you?

22:40:10 phillipsjk: Router complained about "smurf attacks" (from china) but worry those may be false positives since the IPs were from /16 netblock and eneded in .255:

22:40:22 phillipsjk: Edmonton

22:41:21 pete_dushenski: cool. so am i actually.

22:41:42 pete_dushenski: how'd you find this place?

22:42:00 mircea_popescu: so wait, you're not being ddosed now ?

22:42:17 phillipsjk: Was told that the Future of Bitcoin is decided here, not in the Bitcointalk forums.

22:42:19 mircea_popescu: what, the kid just spikes a few kps for five minutes and then that's it, givwesu p ?

22:42:28 mircea_popescu: phillipsjk that part is true.

22:43:01 phillipsjk: mircea_popescu, it was about 30 minutes each time. at least 3 times.

22:43:07 mircea_popescu: but not anymore now /

22:43:08 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: not like ddosbot kid has infinity resources. has to end eventually

22:43:08 mircea_popescu: ?

22:43:26 mircea_popescu: anyway phillipsjk best practice would be to get a cloak.

22:43:36 thestringpuller: or connect from tor

22:43:37 thestringpuller: lol

22:43:49 phillipsjk: So you think it is jsut from joining this channel then?

22:43:50 pete_dushenski: i experienced the same 30 min ddos thing while fiddling with new irc clients

22:44:03 pete_dushenski: phillipsjk: almost certainly

22:44:06 thestringpuller: whenever my ip gets exposed i get hammered

22:44:16 mircea_popescu: phillipsjk definitely.

22:44:21 mircea_popescu: !s ddos

22:44:22 assbot: 455 results for 'ddos' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=ddos

22:44:28 pete_dushenski: it's an unintentional barrier to entry, if anything

22:44:30 mircea_popescu: ^ look through there, it's discussed plenty

22:44:49 davout: phillipsjk: yes, people get ddosed from joining uncloaked

22:46:27 pete_dushenski: California threatens to seize land from billionaire if he doesn’t start letting surfers use his beach << for the people!

22:46:32 thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: the last ddos knocked out my phones too

22:46:46 thestringpuller: my house phone couldn't dial out lol

22:46:48 pete_dushenski: The State Lands Commission may use powers never employed in its 77-year history, seizing private land for public use to end a battle between surfers and billionaire venture-capital investor Vinod Khosla, who has been locking a gate at his beach property along California’s Pacific Coast.

22:46:52 pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: crazy

22:47:27 thestringpuller: script kiddie may not have infinite resources

22:47:46 thestringpuller: but can definitely fuck up my couch when he knows my address

22:47:58 danielpbarron: phillipsjk> Was told that the Future of Bitcoin is decided here, not in the Bitcointalk forums. << oh that's where i've seen your name! https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=919629.msg10247429#msg10247429

22:47:59 assbot: Fork off ... ( http://bit.ly/1yWtkKu )

22:48:04 []bot: Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $150 before March" http://bitbet.us/bet/1107/ Odds: 19(Y):81(N) by coin, 23(Y):77(N) by weight. Total bet: 5.61929562 BTC. Current weight: 68,439.

22:48:06 []bot: Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $100 before April" http://bitbet.us/bet/1108/ Odds: 18(Y):82(N) by coin, 19(Y):81(N) by weight. Total bet: 6.87303349 BTC. Current weight: 85,030.

22:50:01 phillipsjk: By 'we' I meant the reddit and Bitcointalk 'tards of course.

22:50:02 pete_dushenski: danielpbarron: ah, good eye

22:51:05 phillipsjk: I may have confused MP with somebody else in that post. (MP is apparently not a coder)

22:51:27 pete_dushenski: phillipsjk: lol now you have me curious where you wash dishes. i can always go for a good meal on clean dinnerware

22:51:49 []bot: Bet placed: 1.5 BTC for No on "Light Sweet Crude Oil (WTI) to drop under $40 before Mar 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1096/ Odds: 35(Y):65(N) by coin, 40(Y):60(N) by weight. Total bet: 4.35433047 BTC. Current weight: 51,859.

22:52:21 pete_dushenski: mp is definitely more beeznizmayn than codermonkey

22:53:40 phillipsjk: It is in my resume: Coliseum Pizza & Steak LTD.

22:54:08 pete_dushenski: a, famous spot, that

22:54:12 pete_dushenski: can't say i've been

22:54:47 phillipsjk: Need a day-job to keep hosting a Bitcoin node though.

22:57:16 pete_dushenski: that's pretty normal, really

22:57:23 danielpbarron: too expensive to run a full node? aren't you one of the ones trying to make the blocks bigger?

22:57:47 pete_dushenski: zing!

22:59:00 phillipsjk: If I us web-hosting I get 5TB/month for $80 or so

23:00:01 phillipsjk: I was paying $109.10 for commercial access. (300GB cap)

23:00:46 TheNewDeal: I am just imaginging advertisements on the TV, similar to those during political season in usia, with some phony from the Bitcoin Foundation and a sign "10gb blocks in 2016"

23:02:03 pete_dushenski: "yes we can"

23:03:41 pete_dushenski: anyways gang, i'm off. don't wear out those keyboards while i'm gone!

23:06:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45500 @ 0.00052732 = 23.9931 BTC [+] {2}

23:15:29 danielpbarron: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2tp9w0/help_lost_wallet_data_5btc_reward/co13yq5?context=8 << guy gets 5 BTC for basically saying "did you try restarting it?" also, guy cries over getting 5 BTC

23:15:32 assbot: Introshine comments on HELP ! Lost wallet data, 5BTC reward ... ( http://bit.ly/1z3tnmi )

23:17:59 thestringpuller: "Don't you know? Human beings become omniscient, infallible gods the moment they begin accepting a paycheck from the state."

23:18:21 thestringpuller: ^- that guy gets it

23:19:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20875 @ 0.0005194 = 10.8425 BTC [-]

23:20:37 mircea_popescu: <pete_dushenski> California threatens to seize land from billionaire if he doesn?t start letting surfers use his beach << for the people! << soooooo ... why would someone own anything in california ?

23:23:17 mircea_popescu: "There are those whose only concern is worshiping at the altar of money and turning a profit, whereas others see Bitcoin as a tool for social and political revolution."

23:23:18 mircea_popescu: lmao

23:23:31 mircea_popescu: libertard has cut up the pie!

23:24:06 mircea_popescu: "social and political revolution" = more of the same shit ; "worshipping at the altar of money" = actual social and political revolution. in the proper sense, as in, the opposite of evolution.

23:25:10 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron funny hpw that doomad dude neglects to consider the point that "we can all use it" AS IT IS. unless we ALL agree to use it a different way, it is NOT HAPPENING.

23:25:23 mircea_popescu: irrespective of what "sociopolitical ideals" he miught wish to force on others.

23:25:44 mircea_popescu: the stuff one finds in the logs i swear.

23:26:18 mircea_popescu: "Your statement that the new fork won't succeed is nothing but speculation, your guess is only worth as much as anyone else's. No one can claim with any certainty that they know what's going to happen." << late to that party.

23:26:30 mircea_popescu: my "buy gavincoin at 25% off still got exactly 0 offers"

23:27:03 lobbes: phillipsjk: Need a day-job to keep hosting a Bitcoin node though << try out lowendbox.com. I'm planning on following the advice given here and start a node running some version of debian

23:27:23 lobbes: phillipsjk: should only be a few bucks a month

23:29:37 PeterL: mircea_popescu: what happens with your 25% offer if they never stick megablocks into bitcoin-core code?

23:29:55 danielpbarron: the people with all the bitcoin are the bad ones because money is evil, and the people with no bitcoin are going to tell them what the rules should be

23:30:18 mircea_popescu: PeterL it'll have to be discussed, obv. whoever wants to trade gets to work with me on a ocntract that covers all legitimate concerns.

23:30:28 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron "because you are in the minority" derp.

23:30:59 mircea_popescu: but yes, that is pretty much exactly what your average libertard thinks politics is : "people with no money telling the people with money how they may proceed"

23:31:07 mircea_popescu: exactly fucking opposite of sanity.

23:31:52 danielpbarron: and somehow one of them manages to keep 500 BTC this whole time; someone who thought his funds were gone because his blockchain needed rensynching

23:32:10 mircea_popescu: anyway, it's funny just how self-contradictory the guy is, and how carefully crafted his pile, and how incredibly unstable in spite of all that effort. reading his lengthy posts is sort-of like admiring someone who managed to build a half mile tall chair pile in his quest to get to the moon on chairs.

23:32:28 mircea_popescu: if you as much as sneeze it all comes crumbling down, and yet he's stupidly put all that effort into it... like a blind seal or something.

23:33:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30650 @ 0.00051835 = 15.8874 BTC [-] {2}

23:33:32 mircea_popescu: but who knows, right ? it's "not decided yet". he's not come here to have his construction taken apart ; the fork's not actually been destroyed in the field, and "we don't know for sure it's a scam" etc.

23:34:21 mircea_popescu: in unrelated news : some guy named zyklon_b joins some chatroom, buncha derps throw a fit, i tell em to stfu, which results in private messaging and ragequits :

23:34:22 mircea_popescu: <gurlwest> its possible but there is such a thing as responsibility, and i feel its mine to point out that Zyklon B is highly offensive and brings this place into disrepute

23:34:23 mircea_popescu: <MirceaPopescu> and i feel it's mine to point out to you that you're the [unthinking] representative of everything that's wrong with the world generally, and United Stupid particularly.

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23:36:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11210 @ 0.0005168 = 5.7933 BTC [-]

23:38:30 mircea_popescu: http://nypost.com/2015/01/24/white-house-going-nuclear-on-netanyahu/

23:38:31 assbot: White House going nuclear on Netanyahu | New York Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1yWATAS )

23:49:00 nubbins`: lel x5, one of woodcollector's alts "doxxed" me

23:49:20 nubbins`: sends me this serious PM with some google streetview of my neighbourhood and my name+address

23:49:29 nubbins`: couple pix from my fb

23:49:57 mircea_popescu: o hey, are you going off nubbins` to your pw:rn nao ?

23:50:27 nubbins`: wat

23:50:43 asciilifeform: lol, 'doxing'

23:50:44 mircea_popescu: ;;google pw:rn

23:50:45 gribble: Bounty Hunter Cards - Dark Age: http://www.dark-age.com/Downloads/Cards/BountyHunter2.0.pdf; Followers of the Heretic Cards - Dark Age: http://dark-age.com/Downloads/Cards/HereticCards2015.pdf; Kukulkani Cards - Dark Age: http://www.dark-age.com/Downloads/Cards/KukulkaniCards2.0.pdf

23:50:51 mircea_popescu: wow.

23:50:54 nubbins`: rn=real name?

23:51:08 mircea_popescu: yeh

23:51:12 mircea_popescu: https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Powerword

23:51:12 assbot: Powerword - Encyclopedia Dramatica ... ( http://bit.ly/1wylJMi )

23:51:21 asciilifeform: !s true names

23:51:22 assbot: 17 results for 'true names' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=true+names

23:51:34 mircea_popescu: dude ed went to shit.

23:52:05 nubbins`: o i get it

23:52:09 nubbins`: well anyway.

23:52:17 nubbins`: my home address was already public on the forum

23:52:21 nubbins`: and he got the phone number wrong ;/

23:52:31 mircea_popescu: so he could work for yellowpages

23:52:51 nubbins`: and he says "maybe i'll see you at <event i'm attending on facebook> tomorrow at 8pm... i'm only 80km away"

23:53:03 mircea_popescu: wear a gopro.

23:53:44 davout: nubbins`: you better call the bitcoin police

23:54:09 mircea_popescu: davout if memory serves nubbins` is this tall bear-y sorta guy

23:54:09 asciilifeform: nubbins`: prepare for laser duel.

23:54:37 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ahahaha that took a minute

23:54:38 nubbins`: heh

23:54:49 davout: asciilifeform: i just got it

23:55:00 mircea_popescu: hey nubbins` did you handcarve the turkey last thskgiving ?

23:55:03 mircea_popescu: OR DID YOU USE A LASER

23:55:03 nubbins`: hilariously, you are literally either in the ocean or a vast, uninhabited wilderness reserve if you are 80km from me

23:55:18 nubbins`: mircea_popescu i silkscreened cranberry sauce onto thin slices of it

23:55:52 mircea_popescu: the advantage of silk sheets is you can silkscreen tits and stuff with your bare hands.

23:56:23 mircea_popescu: !up badon

23:56:27 nubbins`: with the proper mesh count anything is possible

23:56:46 mircea_popescu: mush cunt! http://40.media.tumblr.com/038c7d1f7c9119ebe84a543b0af5b4b2/tumblr_mqkjtd3Trz1qcr2gxo1_1280.jpg

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23:57:46 badon: hi mircea_popescu