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00:01:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32950 @ 0.00056878 = 18.7413 BTC [+] {3}

00:34:23 jurov: https://github.com/Azelphur/pyMPEx/issues/9 dunno what asshole undertook to "enhance" gnupg output in such way

00:34:24 assbot: Exception when using with gnupg-2.0.28 · Issue #9 · Azelphur/pyMPEx · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1Py3FBN )

00:34:40 deedbot-: [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Zcash will crash just like Gavincoin, Garzikcoin, XT, SegWit, and Classic. Now you know. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/01/25/zcash-will-crash-just-like-gavincoin-garzikcoin-xt-segwit-and-classic-now-you-know/

00:36:08 jurov: https://www.gnupg.org/download/release_notes.html incidentally, no longer updated

00:36:09 assbot: GnuPG - Release Notes ... ( http://bit.ly/1Py3V3x )

00:37:14 jurov: i should have masked >=gnupg:2 and never looked back

00:38:52 jurov: dunno what i was thinking

00:40:54 pete_dushenski: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IRB0sxw-YU << for the condo/apt livers

00:40:55 assbot: Everyone's Upstairs Neighbors - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1QoEDSB )

00:41:57 *: pete_dushenski to dinner. ciao !

00:43:35 BingoBoingo: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZmxxPDWIAAS9OD.jpg

00:43:36 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Py5iiX )

00:45:25 BingoBoingo: In other bugs https://github.com/Automattic/wp-calypso/issues/2720

00:45:26 assbot: Font: The letter f goes missing or rearranges itself in a word · Issue #2720 · Automattic/wp-calypso · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1Py5z5b )

00:50:13 TomServo: Ahoy asseteers

00:50:21 jurov: hi tom

00:52:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10274 @ 0.000568 = 5.8356 BTC [-]

00:54:44 BingoBoingo: https://storify.com/weev/duck-enlightenment-s-final-tweet-spree

00:54:45 assbot: Jokeocracy's Twitter Martyrdom (with images, tweets) · weev · Storify ... ( http://bit.ly/1Py73wy )

00:54:48 BingoBoingo: Hi TomServo

00:56:01 TomServo: My new node has been wedged at 252450 past several days (built using wiki instructions). Is this a curiosity at all? Or should I just retry? I certainly could've screwed something up.

00:56:28 danielpbarron: heh, i saw that spree; he got suspended for it?

00:57:28 BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Purged. Credible reports suggest Twitter is going to do a bigger purge soon, so some loveable jokesters are working to get preeptively purged on their own terms.

00:57:37 BingoBoingo: Because mircea_popescu is a trendsetter

00:58:26 BingoBoingo: In other refugee news apparently TaT has a blog now http://www.bitcoinerrorlog.com/2016/01/25/the-bitcoin-blacklist-max-keiser-simon-dixon/

00:58:28 assbot: The Bitcoin Blacklist: Max Keiser & Simon Dixon – Bitcoin Error Log ... ( http://bit.ly/1QoFOBo )

01:00:22 TomServo: In other other news, new wartard is a fun read: http://wartard.blogspot.com/2016/01/the-geopolitics-of-2016-oil-war-chaos_18.html

01:00:23 assbot: War Tard: The Geopolitics of 2016: Oil, War, Chaos and Pathological Altruism. ... ( http://bit.ly/1QoG1EF )

01:09:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12143 @ 0.000568 = 6.8972 BTC [-]

01:11:55 jurov: BingoBoingo: how do youknow it's TaT

01:13:15 BingoBoingo: jurov: Not with cryptological certainty, but he gradually transitioned from using #bitcoin-assets as he social media identity to this bitcoinerrorlog thing. It's likely him.

01:13:37 BingoBoingo: *his

01:16:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10150 @ 0.00056889 = 5.7742 BTC [+] {2}

01:21:30 BingoBoingo: https://botbot.me/freenode/bitcoin-core-dev/2016-01-20/?msg=58304091&page=2

01:21:32 assbot: IRC Logs for #bitcoin-core-dev | BotBot.me [o__o] ... ( http://bit.ly/1PybpUp )

01:24:54 mircea_popescu: TomServo prolly the bdb locks issue.

01:25:02 mircea_popescu: look in the ml for the patch for that.

01:26:56 mircea_popescu: that we shall have a world war seems a foregone conclusion by now.

01:28:11 mircea_popescu: That's why every time Obama deploys one of his cloned spokeswomen wearing the "problem glasses" to a White House press briefing << seriously. it's like gaddafi without taste.

01:31:17 BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats

01:31:21 gribble: Current Blocks: 395057 | Current Difficulty: 1.1335429980147113E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 395135 | Next Difficulty In: 78 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 11 hours, 20 minutes, and 43 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None

01:31:39 mircea_popescu: "it's worth remembering Japan had been under a US oil embargo for years before they 'suddenly' attacked Pearl Harbor in '41. " << decent tidbits in there, under all the cheap "rapport" and assorted throwaway cancerous jokes.

01:33:58 mircea_popescu: "The Zionists are so used to running American foreign policy for their own benefit and having the US Army take care of their enemies for them (Hussein, Gaddafi, Assad etc) that it was hilarious to watch Netanyahu throw a shit fit in the US Congress " << so far, the only army to ever win an engagement in the middle east is the israeli. twice.

01:34:49 mircea_popescu: i dun get this fucktarded "we are importants" thing the ustards do around that topic, but anyways.

01:35:48 BingoBoingo: Two Ocean borders and "docile" neighbors will do that to a people

01:36:07 BingoBoingo: Now if Aztlan joined the Central powers in the Great War

01:36:36 mircea_popescu: heh, mexico's been steadily making gains past the colorado for decades.

01:36:44 mod6: TomServo: Hi, if you followed the instructions via the wiki, this means you should have built via rotor & V.

01:37:05 mod6: 1: Have you tried restarting bitcoind to see if that helps get you past this block?

01:37:53 mod6: 2: Can you `cat rotor/TEST2/bitcoin/src/db.cpp` and post it to dpaste or somewhere else I might be able to look at it?

01:38:26 ben_vulpes: > 252450 << lo it doth haunt

01:45:08 deedbot-: [Qntra] Activists Targeted In Years Long Spear Phishing Campaign - http://qntra.net/2016/01/activists-targeted-in-years-long-spear-phishing-campaign/

01:46:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9150 @ 0.000568 = 5.1972 BTC [-]

01:50:49 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo "writing in much the same way many other religious persons in the American continent have done before and after them." << would be so much better with briefly discussed examples.

01:51:06 mircea_popescu: the parallels between say that ridiculous smith character and these derps are striking.

01:51:34 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Thank you. The best solution to addressing these omissions is likely going to be a follow up.

01:52:08 mircea_popescu: apparently every american is equally and insescapably stupid. their education, and their intelligence, may color the way they express their stupidity. but you can't take the village out of the girl even if you take the girl out of the village, and you can't take stupid out of americans.

01:52:30 mircea_popescu: "oh hurr durr here is how hegel can be applied to maintain what we wish to see!!1"

01:53:18 BingoBoingo: Well gotta consider who the first crackers on the continent were, bunch of English pricks with various "road to paradise" dreams.

01:53:51 BingoBoingo: Anyways the Jonathan Edwards guy is prolly a better model for this than the Smith Moromon guy, but gotta chew through more re-reading list first.

01:55:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40450 @ 0.000568 = 22.9756 BTC [-]

02:00:57 asciilifeform: http://qntra.net/2016/01/activists-targeted-in-years-long-spear-phishing-campaign/#comment-43123

02:00:58 assbot: Activists Targeted In Years Long Spear Phishing Campaign | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/20pKnA5 )

02:02:47 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: http://qntra.net/2016/01/activists-targeted-in-years-long-spear-phishing-campaign/#comment-43124

02:02:48 assbot: Activists Targeted In Years Long Spear Phishing Campaign | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/20pKxHC )

02:03:32 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-01-2016#1385711 << TomServo: how did you press? post your complete set of sha512s

02:03:32 assbot: Logged on 26-01-2016 00:56:01; TomServo: My new node has been wedged at 252450 past several days (built using wiki instructions). Is this a curiosity at all? Or should I just retry? I certainly could've screwed something up.

02:03:55 asciilifeform: if you're seeing bdb issues, it is a dead certainty that you did not press a modern tree

02:04:10 asciilifeform: (either this, or 'cosmic rays')

02:05:56 BingoBoingo: What about basement rays from radon and granite countertops?

02:08:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32230 @ 0.00056743 = 18.2883 BTC [-] {3}

02:09:16 jurov: or pebkac fields

02:12:22 ben_vulpes: dems da woist

02:12:34 BingoBoingo: Thinking more on the subject Mississippi river dam would likely have to wait for the last of the uranium to be mined out of Iowa

02:14:11 deedbot-: [Qntra] Obamacare Firm Loses Personal Information - http://qntra.net/2016/01/obamacare-firm-loses-personal-information/

02:16:51 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: http://imgur.com/a/MkYNE << http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-01-2016#1385503

02:16:52 assbot: Bzzzt-popp. - Album on Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/20pLHmK )

02:16:52 assbot: Logged on 25-01-2016 21:00:21; *: asciilifeform just watched the master toggle on a 25 y.o. under-monitor surge protector thingie ~explode~ in a shower of sparks

02:18:01 BingoBoingo: Fuck, they really don't/can't make those anymore

02:18:09 asciilifeform: ^ interestingly, these have tiny incandescent lamps in'em

02:18:12 asciilifeform: which ~still light~

02:18:28 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: this one is ancient, possibly older than i am

02:18:37 asciilifeform: and survived many thousands of toggles

02:19:22 asciilifeform: it is not visible in the photo, which is a shame, because it was the only reason i even tried to take the photo - the piston in the switch is pockmarked from many, many microwelds

02:19:45 BingoBoingo: I have a few like that. One 3 outlet square iron box that is likely a transformer but can not confirm because no good descriptive queries return other than ads for not it. Also lacked time to open.

02:25:22 BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2016/01/nacdl-amicus-silk-road-warrant-unconstitutional-according-to-4th-amendment/#comment-43125

02:25:23 assbot: NACDL Amicus: Silk Road Warrant Unconstitutional According To 4th Amendment | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/20pMaFx )

02:44:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27155 @ 0.00055588 = 15.0949 BTC [-] {3}

02:49:07 mircea_popescu: http://41.media.tumblr.com/7dbae0b73651e39f33ceb6b6dc58d45b/tumblr_mz6ok8aOve1tnxrxto1_1280.jpg "oh this new maid is so much better than the old one!"

02:49:10 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/20pNJ68 )

02:52:21 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform has ONE playing card, and it's a 4 of clobber.

02:52:48 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it happens to be the cleanest

02:54:47 thestringpuller: asciilifeform: https://blog.bitpay.com/bitcore-for-microsoft-azure/ << more stuff to add to aws banhammer

02:54:49 TomServo: mod6: 1) Yes (incidentally, what is the recommended graceful shutdown method?) 2) http://dpaste.com/3ARSCHB

02:54:51 assbot: dpaste: 3ARSCHB ... ( http://bit.ly/20pO5d8 )

02:54:58 TomServo: asciilifeform: Is this correct? http://dpaste.com/2C6N3TZ

02:55:00 assbot: dpaste: 2C6N3TZ ... ( http://bit.ly/20pO5K8 )

02:55:18 mircea_popescu: TomServo still kill -9

02:55:29 asciilifeform: TomServo: this is not every useful. it does not tell us what you pressed

02:55:39 mod6: TomServo: you have an old db.cpp file somehow.

02:55:40 asciilifeform: it was never kill -9 !

02:55:44 asciilifeform: plain kill and some patience.

02:55:52 asciilifeform: -9 risks wedging your db.

02:55:56 mod6: TomServo: ./bitcoind stop

02:56:16 TomServo: I think the patience part was my problem.

02:57:08 TomServo: asciilifeform: what can I provide that is useful?

02:57:19 asciilifeform: the checksums of the actual source files you end up with.

02:57:40 asciilifeform: post just the db one

03:00:34 TomServo: 66f81f6da997109f4d34ca654d30e24cb850fa87a6fbe6a045c6cb1a9f6d47d979fb4e25a0bbb35064c1259cda3c7b5ff12f68d9c22c1acf45299dbb4ed72317 db.cpp

03:00:45 TomServo: How would I end up with an old one?

03:01:43 mod6: not sure. we haven't seen this problem yet.

03:01:55 mod6: I don't suppose you logged your build process?

03:02:07 TomServo: Unfortunately not.

03:03:03 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo dollars to donuts you'll end up importing searle,

03:03:27 mod6: Aside from further diag. I think the best bet is to probably just start over. One way to log the entire build process (this goes for everyone) is to use `script`. This command, `script`, will start logging everything in the terminal ,and when finished, just type `exit` and all of the screen output will be saved in a file in the pwd called 'typescript'.

03:03:34 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It's possible.

03:03:44 mircea_popescu: then next thing you'll know you'll be putting out stuff like "the spread of [redacted] is perhaps the best known example of a silly but noncatastrophic phenomenon." and so on.

03:03:44 TomServo: I think I've cause problems before with this old build before (deb squeeze).

03:04:07 mircea_popescu: willy nilly all this idocy traces back to usians reading lacan and perhaps some saussure in the 60s and not understanding anything of it.

03:04:08 TomServo: mod6: Will do. Thanks.

03:04:23 mod6: No problem! Good luck.

03:04:28 mod6: Certainly start with a clean env.

03:04:48 mod6: That'll ensure that nothing is coming in at a forty-five degree angle and hosing the build.

03:06:18 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well gotta make it that far to find out.

03:06:20 mod6: TomServo: one last qq: When did you create this build?

03:06:30 mod6: Was it within the last 24 hours?

03:08:02 TomServo: mod6: Within the last 2 weeks.

03:08:11 mod6: ah, ok.

03:08:26 mod6: anyway, let us know how it goes.

03:08:37 TomServo: Of course.

03:09:11 mod6: Salud.

03:16:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44800 @ 0.00055074 = 24.6732 BTC [-] {4}

03:34:20 ben_vulpes: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10971190

03:34:21 assbot: But Rails Culture is to make developers smile! Fixing security vulnerabilities ... | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1POAyUV )

03:35:53 ben_vulpes: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10971190 << also lulzy thread

03:35:54 assbot: But Rails Culture is to make developers smile! Fixing security vulnerabilities ... | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1POAyUV )

03:36:39 ben_vulpes: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10970694 << scuze

03:36:39 assbot: That's still broken. They've just pushed the problem deeper. Now instead of havi... | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1POAGE0 )

03:37:35 asciilifeform: what even

03:40:48 mircea_popescu: " My intuition is that this might even require fewer attempts than the original comparison assuming a reasonable password length, but I haven't done the math." << he's right actually.

03:40:54 mircea_popescu: ruby fixed its hashing by breaking it moar.

03:41:25 ben_vulpes: it's not RUBY it's RAILS

03:41:26 ben_vulpes: GOD

03:41:37 ben_vulpes: (although who uses one without the other i do not know)

03:42:09 *: mircea_popescu is not versed enough in this to know the difference.

03:42:25 mircea_popescu: my dictionary has two r entries : r and rubyrails.

03:42:39 asciilifeform: what, no REBOL ?!!

03:43:12 mircea_popescu: no rebol.

03:44:26 mircea_popescu: http://www.rebol.com/what-rebol.html << two paragraphs in and i'm queasy.

03:44:27 assbot: What is REBOL? ... ( http://bit.ly/1Phegio )

03:44:29 mircea_popescu: is this thing fucking stupid ?

03:44:35 asciilifeform: aaaand don't forget Refal!

03:44:38 asciilifeform: the soviet lisp.

03:44:59 asciilifeform: !s refal

03:45:00 assbot: 8 results for 'refal' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=refal

03:45:01 mircea_popescu: i don';t think you understand how mp works.

03:45:06 mircea_popescu: the main thing i do is forget.

03:45:12 mircea_popescu: that's my principal professional skill.

03:45:13 asciilifeform: hey what do you think ~i~ do

03:46:10 asciilifeform: any accumulator that doesn't principally occupy itself with ~forgetting~ rapidly collapses into a singularity of shitmass.

03:50:44 mircea_popescu: !up AdrianG

03:50:49 AdrianG: hi thx.

03:50:57 mircea_popescu: !gettrust assbot AdrianG

03:50:57 assbot: Trust relationship from user assbot to user AdrianG: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=assbot&to=AdrianG | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/AdrianG/

03:51:03 AdrianG: what do you think of edward bernays, mircea_popescu ?

03:51:08 mircea_popescu: you know you can voice yourself. just say !up to assbot in pm

03:51:14 mircea_popescu: !s edward bernays

03:51:15 assbot: 0 results for 'edward bernays' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=+edward+bernays

03:51:24 AdrianG: oh. i didnt know. i thought somebody has to approve me.

03:51:32 mircea_popescu: apparently nothing.

03:51:36 AdrianG: thx whoever that was.

03:51:47 AdrianG: mircea_popescu: i thought you'd know a bit about him at lesat.

03:51:56 trinque: !s !rate AdrianG

03:51:57 assbot: 0 results for '!rate AdrianG' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=%21rate+AdrianG

03:51:57 AdrianG: bernays was quite a character.

03:52:19 mircea_popescu: isn't he yet another marx/ziggler/barnum/whatever ?

03:52:44 AdrianG: he is the father of 'spin', or propaganda, but on industrial scale.

03:52:44 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> any accumulator that doesn't principally occupy itself with ~forgetting~ rapidly collapses into a singularity of shitmass. << This has been the greatest challenge of sober living so far.

03:52:53 BingoBoingo: Booze is a great forgetting aid

03:53:17 AdrianG: bacon and eggs for breakfast, fluoride in water, smoking is good for you and liberates women etc

03:53:31 AdrianG: his legacy is in almost every aspect of our lives today.

03:54:00 mircea_popescu: AdrianG i think you're greatly overestimating some 1920s rando.

03:54:12 AdrianG: mircea_popescu: he's not a rando

03:55:28 trinque: this notion that there was a particular father of propaganda is pretty rich

03:55:32 thestringpuller: ;;ud rando

03:55:33 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=rando | rando. That which is random. Generally used in reference to people. I thought this party was invitation only...what the hell are all these randos doing here?

03:55:47 AdrianG: sure, it was a long time ago, but he is the one who put propaganda on proper industrial scale.

03:56:11 mircea_popescu: AdrianG as seen where ?

03:56:30 trinque: I am going to guess the documentary Century of the Self

03:56:42 mircea_popescu: "Quick Facts We rebel against the idea that modern software must be large and complex." << "we also rebel against the concept of a fact and sane prosody.

03:57:51 asciilifeform: where

03:57:54 mircea_popescu: what sort of mental disorder must float about in the head of someone confusing phenomena and facts. even leaving aside that "what we do" is usually poorl self-perceived.

03:57:57 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform quote above.

03:58:05 asciilifeform: yes but from where

03:58:07 mircea_popescu: "we rebel" can't be a fucking fact. IN PRINCIPLE.

03:58:20 mircea_popescu: link slightly above-er, rebol.com

03:58:23 asciilifeform: ah

03:58:45 AdrianG: mircea_popescu: as seen where?

03:59:23 mircea_popescu: AdrianG yes, how does a third party independently established your guy put propaganda on proper industrial scale.

03:59:34 mircea_popescu: a feat usually credited to a certain reich minister.

04:00:11 AdrianG: oh, hehe goebbels.

04:00:30 asciilifeform: poor bernays, all of his atrocities are credited to w. r. hearst, usually

04:00:32 AdrianG: nazis had a different goal.

04:00:51 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform at least hearst wasn't annoying AND poor.

04:01:38 mircea_popescu: what's the other derp, more recent

04:01:43 mircea_popescu: ogilvy

04:01:58 asciilifeform: orwell's ogilvy ?!

04:02:07 mircea_popescu: no, david.

04:02:45 AdrianG: nice.

04:03:58 asciilifeform: the question of 'who was the first to put ' propaganda, semiconductor, coprophagia, etc. 'on a scientific footing' is interesting but not resolvable.

04:04:13 AdrianG: its highly subjective of course.

04:05:33 AdrianG: the process is gradual and particular points will depend on the formulation of you definition.

04:05:37 asciilifeform: e.g., otto lilienfeld drew the transistor, in agonizing detail, and even a more interesting type than actually produced (cupric oxide!) - but - as far as anyone knows - never built one

04:05:58 asciilifeform: maxwell described all of the equations which govern radio but never built one, did not give the slightest fuck

04:05:59 asciilifeform: etc.

04:06:13 asciilifeform: (m was only interested in light!)

04:06:21 mircea_popescu: AdrianG nevertheless, what exactly led you to your stated conclusion ?

04:08:02 AdrianG: mircea_popescu: he was first to use psychoanalysis of some sort, and with great success.

04:08:16 mircea_popescu: http://40.media.tumblr.com/1e23b93cb8d5bbc196df8013731f76d6/tumblr_mvdjhhfIcF1rv2vl4o1_1280.jpg << putting bedroom heating on industrial footing.

04:08:17 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1PyljPE )

04:08:33 AdrianG: and now we have thousands of psychology PhDs/psychiatrists working untold hours to make facebook feel more like crack.

04:08:34 mircea_popescu: AdrianG the thesis was "he is the one who put propaganda on proper industrial scale"

04:08:56 AdrianG: mircea_popescu: you need scientific foundation to put something on industrial scale. which he did. and with great success = thus scale.

04:08:59 mircea_popescu: don't flatter yourself, nobody gives a flying fuck what fb feels like to the cows.

04:09:09 mircea_popescu: it mostly hires lawyers and businbess majors.

04:09:16 AdrianG: why flatter myself? i have nothing to do witht the field.

04:09:30 mircea_popescu: which field ?

04:09:48 AdrianG: why would I flatter myself?

04:11:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11905 @ 0.00055942 = 6.6599 BTC [+] {2}

04:12:02 mircea_popescu: i have no idea.

04:12:51 mircea_popescu: but for the record, fb employs something like 10k people. didja know this when you proposed the "thousands of phds" theory ?

04:13:11 AdrianG: never heard of hyperbole?

04:13:39 AdrianG: asciilifeform: what made you think maxwell was only interested in light? he said so himself somewhere?

04:14:34 mircea_popescu: i did hear of hyperbole. sadly there's a disease running around among the social-mediated youth, which has little to do with the stylistical choice and everything to do with lazy thinking.

04:15:12 mircea_popescu: i guess either 9gag or cracked put that particular brain rot on "industrial footing", depending on whether we credit alf's symbolic supremacy or not.

04:15:39 mircea_popescu: (but really, the kids were lazy long before either of these hot-topic'd the matter)

04:16:50 mircea_popescu: and in other news, http://45.media.tumblr.com/ae9557f2dc6127fb5b466524d9c5fade/tumblr_mpmj7j8xG61rjqog4o1_400.gif

04:16:52 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1PylFFO )

04:17:11 AdrianG: heh

04:20:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18263 @ 0.00056039 = 10.2344 BTC [+] {2}

04:23:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32673 @ 0.00054843 = 17.9189 BTC [-]

05:17:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40000 @ 0.00055242 = 22.0968 BTC [+] {2}

05:26:21 BingoBoingo: !up AdrianG For the record Dickens first perfected "Industrial" propaganda

05:58:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23620 @ 0.00055243 = 13.0484 BTC [+]

06:20:10 mircea_popescu: ;;nethash

06:20:11 gribble: 966885232.624

06:25:12 BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats

06:25:17 gribble: Current Blocks: 395095 | Current Difficulty: 1.1335429980147113E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 395135 | Next Difficulty In: 40 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 hours, 57 minutes, and 45 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None

06:27:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00055206 = 5.079 BTC [-]

06:31:56 ben_vulpes: do y'all have "mandatory reporters" in yurp and misc. other "civilized nayshuns"?

06:36:29 mircea_popescu: da wut ?!

06:44:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26275 @ 0.00055202 = 14.5043 BTC [-] {3}

06:50:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20700 @ 0.00055286 = 11.4442 BTC [+]

07:03:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2800 @ 0.00055286 = 1.548 BTC [+]

07:07:34 BingoBoingo: From the mines: "There are some issues being filed concerning database corruptions in bitcoin core. Although the problem hasn't been pinpointed to LevelDB, the long-term plan is still to switch to a new, well maintained database." << A Hearnia continues

07:07:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7800 @ 0.00055118 = 4.2992 BTC [-]

07:20:22 BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats

07:20:25 gribble: Current Blocks: 395100 | Current Difficulty: 1.1335429980147113E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 395135 | Next Difficulty In: 35 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 hours, 16 minutes, and 58 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None

07:47:25 ben_vulpes: "People complained recently that we wrote some shitty software. Statement self-declared to be irrelevant to the accusations, hey look a shiny!"

08:52:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42750 @ 0.0005524 = 23.6151 BTC [+]

09:16:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18700 @ 0.0005524 = 10.3299 BTC [+]

09:29:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14850 @ 0.0005524 = 8.2031 BTC [+]

09:43:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37000 @ 0.00055256 = 20.4447 BTC [+] {3}

09:53:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13700 @ 0.00055077 = 7.5455 BTC [-] {2}

10:08:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30400 @ 0.00054843 = 16.6723 BTC [-] {2}

10:11:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36495 @ 0.00054842 = 20.0146 BTC [-] {2}

10:20:31 BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats

10:20:34 gribble: Current Blocks: 395124 | Current Difficulty: 1.1335429980147113E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 395135 | Next Difficulty In: 11 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 hour, 37 minutes, and 46 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None

10:26:00 BingoBoingo: ;;tslb

10:26:08 gribble: Time since last block: 12 minutes and 20 seconds

10:45:19 BingoBoingo: ;;tslb

10:45:23 gribble: Time since last block: 12 minutes and 25 seconds

10:54:56 BingoBoingo: http://www.nationalpost.com/m/wp/blog.html?b=news.nationalpost.com%2Fnews%2Fcanada%2Fb-c-aboriginal-scholar-wins-bid-for-rights-hearing-after-shes-denied-tenure-in-part-over-lack-of-research

10:54:57 assbot: Law professor argues in UBC human rights complaint that Indigenous scholars shouldn’t have to publish peer-reviewed research ... ( http://bit.ly/1PhDGN0 )

10:55:15 BingoBoingo: "McCue has alleged that peer-reviewed research is contrary to indigenous oral traditions and that UBC?s research standard effectively discriminated against her ?race, colour, ancestry, place of origin ? and sex.? "

11:13:53 punkman: "Lorna June McCue was denied tenure and ultimately dismissed after 11 years at the university in part because of her failure to submit a single piece of peer-reviewed research during that time. "

11:14:40 punkman: could she have picked a weaker argument?

11:15:11 BingoBoingo: But Oral Tradition

11:15:14 punkman: why do all professors need to publish anyway, can't one just teach?

11:15:25 BingoBoingo: That would be a Lecturer

11:15:37 BingoBoingo: Or a teacher.

11:15:40 BingoBoingo: Not a Professor

11:29:17 punkman: http://i.imgur.com/K7wOp2e.jpg

11:29:18 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1lNAZa0 )

11:34:41 BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats

11:34:45 gribble: Current Blocks: 395132 | Current Difficulty: 1.1335429980147113E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 395135 | Next Difficulty In: 3 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 26 minutes and 20 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None

11:35:14 BingoBoingo: lol punkman

11:35:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15368 @ 0.00054842 = 8.4281 BTC [-] {2}

11:48:08 punkman: ;;bc,bull

11:48:09 gribble: Next Price Estimate: 433.114 | Next Price In About 2 days, 21 hours, 29 minutes, and 54 seconds

11:48:26 BingoBoingo: ;;bc,bear

11:48:27 gribble: Next Price Estimate: 314.992 | Next Price In About 3 days, 1 hour, 58 minutes, and 14 seconds | It's tanking!

11:56:07 BingoBoingo: http://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2016/01/25/so-what-exactly-is-scr7

11:56:09 assbot: So What Exactly is SCR7? | In the Pipeline ... ( http://bit.ly/1K854MQ )

12:01:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 102700 @ 0.00054835 = 56.3155 BTC [-] {4}

12:07:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40237 @ 0.00054884 = 22.0837 BTC [+]

12:09:02 punkman: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-35350886

12:09:04 assbot: Are beards good for your health? - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZPPtDJ )

12:31:32 deedbot-: [Qntra] Bitcoin Network Difficulty Rises 5.89% - http://qntra.net/2016/01/bitcoin-network-difficulty-rises-5-89/

12:31:33 punkman: http://meritcapitalism.com/

12:31:35 assbot: Merit Capitalism: Stop rich people from buying our politics. ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZPRJea )

12:31:52 BingoBoingo: ;;later tell adlai Sorry, too late for this diff period.

12:31:52 gribble: The operation succeeded.

12:32:05 BingoBoingo: I was actually awake for one of these for a change

12:33:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4061 @ 0.00055244 = 2.2435 BTC [+] {2}

13:01:18 asciilifeform: http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-35409119

13:01:20 assbot: AI pioneer Marvin Minsky dies aged 88 - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1OMp9ak )

13:01:47 asciilifeform: 'But, in one of his last interviews, with MIT Technology Review last year, Prof Minsky said there had been "very little growth in artificial intelligence" in the past decade, adding current work had been "mostly attempting to improve systems that aren't very good and haven't improved much in two decades". By contrast, he said, "the 1950s and 1960s were wonderful - something new every week". And he hinted he was against large t

13:01:47 asciilifeform: echnology companies such as Google and Facebook getting involved the field of AI. "We have to get rid of the big companies and go back to giving support to individuals who have new ideas because attempting to commercialise existing things hasn't worked very well," he said.'

13:02:19 asciilifeform: (inventor of neural network and cofounder of ai lab with j. mccarthy, for n00bz)

13:02:49 asciilifeform: he was the last remaining anybody who was somebody of that period, afaik.

13:03:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13250 @ 0.00055248 = 7.3204 BTC [+] {2}

13:08:04 BingoBoingo: If you've got time to write it up, I'd have time to publish it.

13:08:06 BingoBoingo: https://archive.is/jdzwD

13:08:07 assbot: Why are black Americans less affected by the opioid epidemic? Racism, probably. - Vox ... ( http://bit.ly/1RKKzsb )

13:08:17 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: unfortunately i haven't any time.

13:08:22 asciilifeform: go ahead and do it if you feel like it.

13:08:30 BingoBoingo: I figured. I lack the background.

13:08:49 BingoBoingo: Maybe phf?

13:09:12 asciilifeform: the bbc article, surprisingly, has the facts.

13:12:25 BingoBoingo: But big black cock is a poor medium for obituaries of great people

13:17:19 BingoBoingo: !up kefkius

13:38:35 jurov: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2016/01/25/politicians-are-so-predictable-a-robot-can-literally-write-their-speeches/

13:38:36 assbot: Politicians are so predictable, a robot can literally write their speeches - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1OMuCy6 )

13:38:48 jurov: ^ another idea for stego corpus

13:38:56 jurov: "For example, I mean probably all of us have had a mom or a grandmom or an uncle to whom we say, hey, I noticed your legs are swelling again. Fluid retention. Fluid retention."

13:39:36 jurov: Fluid. *pounds on the pulpit* Retention.

13:46:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13550 @ 0.00055359 = 7.5011 BTC [+]

14:21:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34724 @ 0.0005556 = 19.2927 BTC [+] {3}

14:24:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23140 @ 0.00055046 = 12.7376 BTC [-] {2}

14:51:11 BingoBoingo: So, Federal reserve open market committee meets today. QE4? QE 4ever?

14:56:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26670 @ 0.00055775 = 14.8752 BTC [+] {2}

14:57:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27430 @ 0.00055971 = 15.3528 BTC [+] {2}

15:02:37 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all

15:02:44 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 391.21, vol: 7670.92802261 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 395.2, vol: 5623.27465 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 390.89, vol: 21162.60207079 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 370.0, vol: 1.0 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 393.21184, vol: 43649.86990000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 394.83726, vol: 579.10188788 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 397.5711, vol: 21.98767709 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)

15:02:52 BingoBoingo: ;;more

15:02:53 gribble: 392.54738725

15:03:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28960 @ 0.00055515 = 16.0771 BTC [-] {2}

15:19:32 thestringpuller: I thought there is always QE

15:20:43 BingoBoingo: 4real

15:21:52 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it occurs to me that the actually correct way to indent your inline else is \tif\t\n\t\telse

15:22:52 mircea_popescu: and in re http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-01-2016#1385911 let's quote from the very pravda :

15:22:52 assbot: Logged on 26-01-2016 04:08:33; AdrianG: and now we have thousands of psychology PhDs/psychiatrists working untold hours to make facebook feel more like crack.

15:22:52 mircea_popescu: Following a campaign by 100 advocacy groups, Facebook agreed to update its policy on hate speech. The campaign highlighted content promoting domestic and sexual violence against women, and used over 57,000 tweets and more than 4,900 emails that caused withdrawal of advertising from the site by 15 companies, including Nissan UK, House of Burlesque and Nationwide UK. The social media website initially responded by statin

15:22:52 mircea_popescu: g that "while it may be vulgar and offensive, distasteful content on its own does not violate our policies".[84] It decided to take action on May 29, 2013, after it "become clear that our systems to identify and remove hate speech have failed to work as effectively as we would like, particularly around issues of gender-based hate."[85]

15:24:15 mircea_popescu: what we learn here, other than a) nobody gives a shit about the inept campaings of the hundreds upon endless thousands of "activists" (as you recall from http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=11-01-2016#1366968 this is !=== "educator"), and especially not the advertisers

15:24:15 assbot: Logged on 11-01-2016 19:05:15; mircea_popescu: BUT if the symbol "activist" ran into any trouble... there's a newly minted "educator" symbol to the rescue.

15:25:12 mircea_popescu: b) the derps in question thesmelves however are VERY careful as to how they state the nonsense. it's important that even through the usual muck of pravda it comes through ~how much they worked~ and how ~they vanquished an uncaring, cruel, cold world~, the two pillars of... well basically of socialist realist movies of the 60s.

15:25:52 mircea_popescu: apparently those actually eventually paid off, who knew a whole generation of idle retards was going to be educated by them. hollywood raped moscow just as mosfilm raped san mateo.

15:26:16 mircea_popescu: and finally c) that facebook, just like every other usg corporation, tends to outsource all its workload TO UNPAID THIRD PARTIES.

15:26:56 mircea_popescu: ~you~ "gotta" pay an accountant to keep IRS' files in order. wouldn't it be logical if THEY had to come to you with a "here's how much we think you owe and if we're wriong we'll goi do the math again" ? who's the sovereign here ?

15:27:26 mircea_popescu: and similarly you gotta do the phd'ing for facebook, so they figure out whether it's more productive for their goals to include or to exclude strings matching $pattern.

15:29:05 thestringpuller: people still use facebook?

15:29:48 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller the corp is allegedly worth 150bn while allegedly 1bn users log in daily.

15:30:01 mircea_popescu: so it's somehow managed to get wallstreet ot pay ONE HUNDRED DOLLARS per active user.

15:30:17 mircea_popescu: if only they were doing this back in the day when usg's own corp didn't exist, america'd have looked a lot different.

15:30:31 mircea_popescu: o wait... usg's own ws didn't exist then yet either huh. a well.

15:31:09 mircea_popescu: meanwhile the lifetime economic value per active fb user is MAYBE a cent. doubtfully so.

15:31:33 mircea_popescu: leaving behind a ~150 bn crater in imaginary "wealth" that "could have bought russia" to be accounted for, somehow.

15:32:36 mircea_popescu: meanwhile... everyone's "pensions" bwahahaha are invested in facebook(s). your daddy had not only a better house, not only better shoes, but also a retirement full of alcoa and shell. what a sucker, that dood.

15:36:07 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-01-2016#1385945 << and they still can't come out and fucking say it.

15:36:07 assbot: Logged on 26-01-2016 07:07:34; BingoBoingo: From the mines: "There are some issues being filed concerning database corruptions in bitcoin core. Although the problem hasn't been pinpointed to LevelDB, the long-term plan is still to switch to a new, well maintained database." << A Hearnia continues

15:36:15 thestringpuller: Well digital marketing is a dying field, Facebook tried to pull the "Google route" which helped boost their shareholder confidence but as a long term monetization policy it will fail.

15:37:07 mircea_popescu: "we're narrowly intelligent but broadly speaking stupid, we were raped for our ineptitude by some nobody that mp trampled underfoot without even particularly noticing. really - go use TRB, we'll just follow along quietly to try and learn something"

15:37:07 thestringpuller: or rather it's not worth 150bn dollars, (unless 150bn is worth a lot less than teh so-called fed tells us)

15:37:09 mircea_popescu: is that so hard ?

15:37:39 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller it's not worth 150bn even if a loaf of bread were 1k.

15:37:39 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The truly lulzy part is the blame is going to Windows antiviruses for deleting arbitrary files from PRB bitcoin databases.

15:37:44 mircea_popescu: derp.

15:38:22 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-01-2016#1385964 <<< aahahahahahaha.

15:38:22 assbot: Logged on 26-01-2016 10:54:57; assbot: Law professor argues in UBC human rights complaint that Indigenous scholars shouldn’t have to publish peer-reviewed research ... ( http://bit.ly/1PhDGN0 )

15:39:13 mircea_popescu: dude, i tell you truly - i fucking hate argentina, these people are as dumb as the delicious cows they raise. nevertheless, sitting here atop a grassy knoll, chowing exceptional beef and homemade apple pies and watching rome burn is a delight for which i am ever thankful.

15:39:18 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: this is same phenomenon that has rested on Bitpay, guess goes back to notion of "problem of too much money". When talking with Pierre, he told me "they could probably run the company with two people and have the same amount of business." But the leadership has ADHD.

15:39:32 mircea_popescu: nobody can take this from you, you know ? "i got to fine dine while watching idiots burn. TWICE."

15:40:03 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: Same ineptitude that has cause the parent company of my uranium mine (VMWware) to instantiate 900 layoffs to maintain "normal growth". (Althogh EMC is a terrible terrible company overall).

15:40:27 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller myeah. they don't think properly, ie "hey, mp isn't paying for nascar car, clearly stupid idea" but instead "oh, let's do random $idiocy, we'll be so much better than mp". makes sense, if you're retarded.

15:40:49 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller ahaha you work for vmware ?

15:41:13 punkman: wasn't EMC looking to sell itself?

15:41:17 mircea_popescu: iirc.

15:41:22 mircea_popescu: and wasn't getting much in the way of bids, either.

15:41:34 punkman: to Dell, huh

15:41:36 mircea_popescu: apparently 1bn active fb users are worth more than 10k active office workers.

15:41:52 mircea_popescu: no idea how they figure that one, you can't get a fb account to show up to your office irl./

15:43:16 mircea_popescu: actually, we can do this math. EMC employs 50k mostly indians, and is valued at 25bn.

15:43:26 mircea_popescu: thus therefore,

15:43:47 mircea_popescu: ;;calc 150 * 10**9 / 25 / 5 / 10 ** 4

15:43:47 gribble: 120000

15:44:02 mircea_popescu: takes 120`000 fb accounts to make one it employee.

15:44:34 mircea_popescu: one gram of flesh per FB account, this is almost farmable.

15:46:52 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-01-2016#1385967 << actually, upon review, it's a very strong argument.

15:46:52 assbot: Logged on 26-01-2016 11:14:40; punkman: could she have picked a weaker argument?

15:46:59 thestringpuller: yea many whales are pulling out of vmware like a slut, killing the stock. So Dell just wants to acquire it for cheap. pump then dump the thing.

15:47:01 mircea_popescu: woman is making a fucking stand against publish or perish ? go her.

15:47:29 punkman: sure, but oral tradition?

15:47:35 BingoBoingo: Well, still hard to do that on publish nothing

15:47:49 BingoBoingo: Could publish peer reviewed tapes

15:47:59 punkman: http://www.webofstories.com/play/marvin.minsky/151

15:48:00 assbot: Marvin Minsky - Scientist - 'I want an anti-fad fad' - Web of Stories ... ( http://bit.ly/1RL2i2S )

15:48:03 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: yea I work for VMWare under the "AirWatch" brand. The leadership is so confused. It's like kindergarteners being in charge of billions of dollars.

15:48:14 mircea_popescu: punkman what do i do if not oral tradition ?

15:48:38 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller wassat airwatch ?

15:49:49 mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> Could publish peer reviewed tapes << except peers won't review tapes. because it's inept. oral tradition is unlike the written tradition in a fundamental way : it rejects the ~separation~ of knowledge and power. that sound familiar ?

15:50:13 mircea_popescu: that separation discussion with asciilifeform is going to haunt us forever, for it's fucking fundamental.

15:50:39 BingoBoingo: lol, University's desired peers are discriminatory!

15:51:18 mircea_popescu: they HAVE TO be.

15:51:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33350 @ 0.00054893 = 18.3068 BTC [-] {3}

15:51:32 mircea_popescu: see, their driver is, "i don't have time to watch this dumb indian's videos". which is legit, they don't have time.

15:51:42 mircea_popescu: but the notion of time in this particular manner IS oppressive. just ask alf.

15:51:54 BingoBoingo: Indeed, but fuck Canada. It's time for their universities to make all bums peers to the faculty.

15:52:15 BingoBoingo: Time is the MOST oppressive thing.

15:52:15 mircea_popescu: "nobody in this lab has discovered anything the past decade so now we're putting everyone on arbitrary counters!"

15:52:18 BingoBoingo: More than money

15:52:19 mircea_popescu: is that going to help ?

15:52:33 mircea_popescu: "i give myself until 7 pm to fall in love then i'm just getting drunk" or what ?

15:52:42 BingoBoingo: Help toss kerosene on this tire fire.

15:53:46 BingoBoingo: There's people who have lots of time they can spend nothing, and other people for whom managing time is as critical an optimization problem as their budget/hodl

15:53:47 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo the "every" thing is not part of the argument as presented tho. how about "give it to just McCue". "i want it too" "get in the wot"

15:53:50 mircea_popescu: same argument innit ?

15:54:15 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: Mobile Device Management. (A dying field that boomed like social networks!!!!11). I just want to work for a useful uranium mine.

15:54:17 mircea_popescu: managing time in this sense is only a consideration for assembly line workers.

15:54:26 mircea_popescu: and yes the university is assembly line for phds.

15:54:44 mircea_popescu: and yes we're nowhere near ready to be happy with the results of unseating the ONLY english contribution to the western civilisation.

15:54:50 mircea_popescu: nevertheless... argument can be brought.

15:55:12 BingoBoingo: Ah, It's getting late. Second bolus of coffee is taking its time to work.

15:55:12 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller ic.

15:55:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7457 @ 0.00054831 = 4.0887 BTC [-]

15:56:33 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-01-2016#1385990 << is that yours or ?

15:56:33 assbot: Logged on 26-01-2016 12:31:33; punkman: http://meritcapitalism.com/

15:59:02 punkman: no wai

16:00:05 mircea_popescu: "we da people who are poor fundamentally misunderstand what money is and wish to fix it". mkay.

16:01:15 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-01-2016#1386014 << this would be because a robot actually does write the speeches. iirc we laughed at the company in question here even.

16:01:15 assbot: Logged on 26-01-2016 13:38:36; assbot: Politicians are so predictable, a robot can literally write their speeches - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1OMuCy6 )

16:02:09 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo no QE, facebook deflates back to it's ~20mn actual value.

16:02:34 mircea_popescu: none of the "industrial blue chips" do anythning anymore, so you'd be left with a stock market the size of bulgaria's.

16:02:47 mircea_popescu: that this would be quite apt is not terribly material to 'em.

16:04:20 mircea_popescu: wow minsky died

16:04:50 BingoBoingo: Who ever wants to qntra if since alf passed on it can submit. phf?

16:05:04 mircea_popescu: "Some experts have said the field of artificial intelligence is currently experiencing something of a golden age, with deep-learning neural networks making advances in both speech and image recognition." << well, more like a qe age.

16:06:25 mircea_popescu: mkay, enoug of that. off to http://45.media.tumblr.com/98c7860c44d009edfba6aaf97f6a1fe0/tumblr_n1xo8ngPn71szbq7eo1_400.gif

16:06:26 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1RL4XcT )

16:07:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5900 @ 0.00054757 = 3.2307 BTC [-] {2}

16:14:52 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: LOL Trace Mayer is critiquing your accounting. "MPEx needs a balance sheet cause I don't understand zero-asset corporations"

16:15:14 pete_dushenski: heh. no one noticed a recent footnote in a recent contravex that mentioned tom cruise in "the day after tomorrow" instead of "the edge of tomorrow". clearly, i need to become more popular with the action movie kidz

16:15:41 pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: where's this ? twatter ?

16:16:11 thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: slack. i'll post logs later

16:17:41 pete_dushenski: "a country with a per capita income that is 100% higher than another receives 130% more business travelers and sends 170% more people abroad. This means that business travel tends to grow more than proportionally with the level of development." << or maybe it just means that your 'per capita' bullshit is literally a mean metric of no practical value, just like the "people" it purports to measure.

16:18:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30500 @ 0.00054757 = 16.7009 BTC [-]

16:19:58 PeterL: would also depend on distribution of income

16:20:24 pete_dushenski: quite so, but don't let that get in the way of "the economist"'s story !

16:20:30 PeterL: a country where everybody makes minimum wage would not send anybody abroad, a country with a few rich people would send them travelling

16:20:54 pete_dushenski: "More populous countries have more business travel in both directions, but the volume is less than proportional to their population: a country with 100% more population than another has only about 70% more business travel. This suggests that there are economies of scale in running businesses that favor large countries." << moar derps != more business. but impossibru !!1

16:22:06 pete_dushenski: this obviously has less to do with economies of scale and more to do with quantity not being equal to quality.

16:22:26 pete_dushenski: but hey, that's racist and undemocratic

16:22:36 PeterL: do they address correlation vs causation?

16:22:47 thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: http://dpaste.com/0JEHTXD.txt

16:23:04 thestringpuller: basically trace mayer states, MPEx is "doing it wrong"

16:23:35 thestringpuller: Dude reminds me of Dr. Foreskin a bit.

16:23:51 pete_dushenski: "Ricardo Hausmann, a former minister of planning of Venezuela and former Chief Economist of the Inter-American Development Bank, is Professor of the Practice of Economic Development at Harvard University, where he is also Director of the Center for International Development. He is Chair of the World Economic Forum's Global Agenda Meta-Council on Inclusive Growth." << peterl you think this guy's worried about tec

16:23:51 pete_dushenski: hnicalities like correlation and causation ?

16:24:19 PeterL: prolly not

16:25:20 pete_dushenski: hausmann has a story to tell about how and why poor countries suck, and it's not because they're untrained monkeys, it's because they need more phree airplanes or some shit

16:25:29 pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: /me reads

16:28:17 pete_dushenski: ya, trace is being willfully ignorant. what else is new.

16:28:27 pete_dushenski: if he wasn't, he'd be here.

16:28:49 pete_dushenski: since he's not in the wot, what choice does he have but to pretend like there are no monsters under the bed

16:29:49 thestringpuller: i found it odd he wanted mpex to produce balance sheets to see "cashflow" when he could just add up the dividends and know total profit distributed over the company's lifetime

16:29:54 thestringpuller: oh wait mike_c already did that

16:31:07 pete_dushenski: "Interestingly, countries in the developing world differ substantially in the amount of know-how they receive through business travel. For example, countries such as South Africa, Bulgaria, Morocco, and Mauritius receive much more know-how than countries at similar levels of development such as Peru, Colombia, Chile, Indonesia, or Sri Lanka." << probably time to reassess what "development levels" mean then eh.

16:31:12 pete_dushenski: via https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/why-travel-for-business-by-ricardo-hausmann-2016-01

16:31:13 assbot: Should Business Travel Be Obsolete? by Ricardo Hausmann - Project Syndicate ... ( http://bit.ly/1RL9dZR )

16:32:01 PeterL: "these countries are the same level because I said so, data does not matter"

16:32:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23500 @ 0.00054755 = 12.8674 BTC [-] {3}

16:37:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13000 @ 0.0005512 = 7.1656 BTC [+] {3}

16:38:43 mod6: !up ascii_butugychag

16:39:21 mod6: how goes it asciilifeform

16:40:23 ascii_butugychag: 2+hr in wheeled coffin

16:40:42 ascii_butugychag: (which had to be dug out ~twice~, 2nd time after bulldozer reburied it)

16:40:50 ascii_butugychag: but this is not interesting so much.

16:41:25 PeterL: it boggles my mind how much time you spend commuting, you sure it would not be easier to move closer to $job?

16:41:50 mod6: you got stuck in the snow 2x this morning?

16:42:09 ascii_butugychag: mod6: aha

16:42:24 mod6: sorry, that sucks. :/

16:42:47 ascii_butugychag: PeterL: pretty much impossible

16:42:52 mod6: don't they let you work from home when there is a blizzard?

16:43:06 ascii_butugychag: PeterL: constraints - i insist on living in a house, i insist on renting it, and i refuse to pay over half my wage for it

16:43:44 ascii_butugychag: mod6: only when the snow is falling or at least fresh

16:44:53 mod6: huh.heesh.

16:45:16 mod6: bah. "huh. sheesh"

16:45:24 mod6: my terminal got all hosed up there for a sec.

16:45:57 mod6: anyway, well at least you made it there.

16:49:18 ascii_butugychag: interestingly i appear to be the only one at $firm with any sort of serious commute

16:50:03 ascii_butugychag: (everybody else lives in $4-5k 'garçonnières' nearby)

16:50:05 pete_dushenski: "bah. "huh. sheesh"" << baksheesh !

16:50:26 PeterL: does everybody else get paid more than you?

16:50:49 ascii_butugychag: pete_dushenski: i genuinely have no idea

16:50:59 PeterL: and is that $4-5k per month?

16:51:08 ascii_butugychag: pete_dushenski: where i live it is the ultimate taboo, to even hint at asking

16:51:17 ascii_butugychag: may as well take off your pants and shit right on the table

16:51:54 mod6: i kinda wanna buy you this: http://www.resortboneyard.com/i/1993-bombardier-prinoth-br400-plus/60040

16:51:58 assbot: 1993 Bombardier Prinoth BR400 Plus : Resort Boneyard ... ( http://bit.ly/1RLdPio )

16:51:58 ascii_butugychag: but based on various clues, nobody is getting outlandishly rich

16:52:24 ascii_butugychag: mod6: that thing is worth more than my organs

16:52:32 mircea_popescu: <thestringpuller> mircea_popescu: LOL Trace Mayer is critiquing << i have no idea who that is, but zhe'd better get with the program because i don't see a future for whatever wot she's in.

16:52:46 pete_dushenski: ascii_butugychag: i think you meant PeterL...

16:53:23 ascii_butugychag: ah yes

16:53:26 pete_dushenski: mod6: lel. i'd drive that to work

16:53:46 mod6: it's over in OR, i'll have ben drive it over to yah :D

16:54:26 mircea_popescu: <pete_dushenski> hausmann has a story to tell about how and why poor countries suck, and it's not because they're untrained monkeys, it's because they need more phree airplanes or some shit <<< venezuela is what happened after a gaddafi died of natural causes. yes the usg 5th column's unhappy that it has not yet been invited to save venezuela, they were predicting $$$ years ago.

16:54:31 pete_dushenski: trace mayer was behind armory, neh ?

16:54:53 *: mircea_popescu shrugs

16:54:54 pete_dushenski: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tracemayer << looks ~identical~ to pedo-'core' dood from mighty ducks

16:54:55 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1RLebpt )

16:55:16 ascii_butugychag: brockchain!11

16:55:26 pete_dushenski: ^

16:56:11 mircea_popescu: i tohught that was called a prince albert. it's brockchain now ?

16:56:23 ascii_butugychag: in honour of.

16:57:07 pete_dushenski: http://community.tribalectic.com/files/imagecache/display/files/experience_image/Picture%20166.jpg << oof.

16:57:16 mircea_popescu: <ascii_butugychag> mod6: that thing is worth more than my organs << typical alf. has collection of organs, complains about life.

16:57:22 mircea_popescu: we don't even have a single harmonica per capita over here yo!

16:57:26 mircea_popescu: damned capitalists.

16:57:31 ascii_butugychag: l0l i think that's knuth, no me

16:57:35 ascii_butugychag: *not

16:58:03 mircea_popescu: in other news, names like "trace mayer" SHOULD be obsolete.

16:58:20 mircea_popescu: get a fucking human name why don't you. what is this mug costanza and rifling jones bs.

16:58:20 ascii_butugychag: incidentally afaik knuth is the last living among the folks-who-made-usa-worth-not-glassing

16:59:28 mircea_popescu: unless of course there's some King Trace in the glorious history of that great nation of africa that i'm unfamiliar with.

16:59:48 ascii_butugychag: hey if we had a joe stack

16:59:53 ascii_butugychag: why not king trace.

17:00:05 ascii_butugychag: (is there a, e.g., henry heap?)

17:00:10 mircea_popescu: joe is fine.

17:00:12 mircea_popescu: trace, wtf is that.

17:00:15 ascii_butugychag: nfi

17:00:26 mircea_popescu: at least I HAVE A DAMNED GOOD REASON or twenty to make the zeroconf accounting rules.

17:00:46 PeterL: what kind of funny name is "Mircea"?

17:00:46 mircea_popescu: what the fuck reason did mrs mayer have to eschew calling her boy rachel or whatever the fuck they do in her tribe.

17:01:04 mircea_popescu: PeterL ah, but in the god forsaken country of romania, there's a bunch of kings called that.

17:01:08 ascii_butugychag: i imagine that if the modern shitworld somehow survived for another few centuries, there would be programmer names the way we currently have smith names

17:01:21 PeterL: so you can only name people after kings?

17:01:23 ascii_butugychag: e.g., smith, кузнецов, етц

17:01:26 mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag i'm not fucking anything called "zero hacker" i'll tell you that.

17:01:27 ascii_butugychag: етц

17:01:30 ascii_butugychag: etc

17:01:32 ascii_butugychag: l0l

17:01:39 mircea_popescu: PeterL yes. you may only name kids after famous dead people.

17:01:43 mircea_popescu: either kings or saints. pick.

17:01:45 *: ascii_butugychag cleans rus/lat key

17:01:52 PeterL: how about family members?

17:01:59 mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag ftr it's etk not ettz

17:02:19 mircea_popescu: PeterL well familty members were named through the same process, so...

17:03:08 PeterL: Ok, then am I allowed to name my kid after my 19th century ancestor Heman?

17:03:28 PeterL: I keep trying to do this, but for some reason my wife shot that one down

17:03:29 mircea_popescu: PeterL you do notice the subtext here, do you ?

17:03:41 ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: eagle eyes. this was an artifact of my keyboard

17:03:42 PeterL: no, I am immune to subtext

17:03:58 ascii_butugychag: (the translit system on this box maps c/ц)

17:03:59 mircea_popescu: the subtext is that random derp with no skin in the game is running his mouth.

17:04:24 PeterL: and you can tell this by his name?

17:04:50 mircea_popescu: i can tell this by constructing a humorous equivalent ot his "mpex should", except mine is both actually funny and to a much larger degree defensible.

17:05:50 pete_dushenski: "In occasione della visita del presidente iraniano Hassan Rohani in Campidoglio sono state coperte da pannelli bianchi su tutti e quattro i lati alcune statue di nudi dei Musei Capitolini. La copertura sarebbe stata decisa come forma di rispetto alla cultura e sensibilità iraniana. Tanto che durante le cerimonie istituzionali non è stato servito nemmeno il vino." << "bow to your betters!" (tm) (r)

17:06:18 mircea_popescu: NEMMENOOO IL VINOOO!!11

17:06:21 mircea_popescu: indignant talians.

17:06:35 pete_dushenski: who the fuck is rohani anyways ? charlemagne coming to save you ?

17:07:03 mircea_popescu: hey, i regularly order the slavegirls draped when friends visit

17:07:04 mircea_popescu: bwahahahaha

17:08:14 mircea_popescu: " Asking Price: $18,500" da fuck alfie, i had no idea you hold musical instruments in quite such low esteem.

17:08:40 pete_dushenski: that's what, 50 btc ?

17:09:08 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: you're not italian enough i guess

17:09:18 pete_dushenski: or roman catholic

17:09:56 mircea_popescu: in vaguely related news, http://49.media.tumblr.com/24ffccf8e42026dd23a3fe817d3480a2/tumblr_mpagouC7cR1rybnpco1_500.gif

17:09:57 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1OW4VsB )

17:10:30 mod6: pete_dushenski: yah ~ cost of seat @ MPEx

17:11:03 pete_dushenski: and less than one year of 'bloomberg terminal' (checked this out last night, it's $24k per annum)

17:11:13 mod6: ah.

17:11:47 pete_dushenski: also discovered that 'terminal' only runs on WINBLOZE

17:11:52 *: mod6 pictures alf bashing cars out of his way as he traverses the beltway

17:11:59 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski scandalous innit.

17:12:05 mod6: !up ascii_butugychag

17:12:11 pete_dushenski: so they claim. maybe there's a linux workaround

17:12:31 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: though 'bloomberg anywhere' works on ios and android

17:12:32 PeterL: must run winblows VM on your linux box

17:13:11 ascii_butugychag: pete_dushenski: if 'not a poorfag', can hire a reverser and make linux client.

17:13:14 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: even more scandalous is that there's 300`000 dudes who post up this cash. every. year.

17:13:18 ascii_butugychag: if for some reason you need it.

17:13:19 PeterL: or get ascii_butugychag to reverse engineer something for you ;)

17:13:35 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski it's not 300k dudes.

17:13:51 pete_dushenski: ascii_butugychag: i'll pass that along to my phriends at goldman

17:14:06 mircea_popescu: i think there's fewer people paying their own bloomberg terminal than there's people with a legitimate research interest in ai.

17:14:14 ascii_butugychag: pete_dushenski: betcha gs requires all boxes to run winblowz

17:14:19 ascii_butugychag: like the rest of usg.

17:14:24 mircea_popescu: surely.

17:14:46 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: aha. 300k subscriptions...

17:14:51 *: mircea_popescu occasionally runs into midrange business derps who emit things such as "unlicensed computer"

17:15:03 mircea_popescu: cuz you know, "what if da police comes to inquire where your windows licenses are"

17:15:09 *: ascii_butugychag was the keeper of a linux cluster at a u.s. army thing and had a pile of magical spells, paperwork, etc. to keep the devils away from it

17:15:34 mircea_popescu: remarkable how this works.

17:15:48 ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: this is, or at least was, an actual thing in usa. 'spa' inspectors, demanding licenses

17:16:10 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: there were radio ads in canada maybe 3 years ago threatening "$100k fine per violation if w4rez discovered on sme bizniz comps"

17:16:43 pete_dushenski: 95% compliance just from threats, no need to act.

17:16:44 mircea_popescu: hey, i'm not the one living there. tell it to each other.

17:17:01 pete_dushenski: myea

17:18:13 pete_dushenski: ascii_butugychag: spa ?

17:18:32 ascii_butugychag: 'software publishers association'

17:18:40 ascii_butugychag: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-01-2016#1386128 << holy fuck what

17:18:40 assbot: Logged on 26-01-2016 16:05:04; mircea_popescu: "Some experts have said the field of artificial intelligence is currently experiencing something of a golden age, with deep-learning neural networks making advances in both speech and image recognition." << well, more like a qe age.

17:18:41 mircea_popescu: ahahaha what.

17:18:44 ascii_butugychag: golden age?!!

17:18:54 mircea_popescu: shut up you don't understand how the world works.

17:20:06 ascii_butugychag: (there was a spiffy talk at shmoo, which mentioned how nn used in image recognition usually imprints on what - to a human - would be an entirely accidental cluster of pixels, and if you flip'em, it will recognize an obvious, e.g,. cat, as a refrigerator, etc)

17:20:28 mircea_popescu: so who the fuck cares what an "association" does. this reminds me of the faux ro animal police thing. of http://fraudsters.com/2012/in-atentia-igppa-autodenunt/ fame

17:20:29 assbot: In atentia I.G.P.P.A. - Autodenunt on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1OW6QgZ )

17:20:40 ascii_butugychag: (somehow the conclusion that 'computers you can't program' don't belong in a security application, is lost on folks)

17:21:17 ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: it is/was (?) the software equivalent of riaa/mpaa

17:21:26 mircea_popescu: so ?

17:21:49 mircea_popescu: let them in, tie them to a steel girder, beat the shit out of them for six hours then call the cops and press charges.

17:21:53 ascii_butugychag: so, in usa ~being sued~ typically costs you your net worth + some, if you're a poorfag

17:21:54 mircea_popescu: at least, that's how i do it.

17:21:59 mircea_popescu: see above.

17:22:14 ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: with own hands ?

17:22:22 mircea_popescu: well supposedly it's a place of business, neh ?

17:22:46 ascii_butugychag: it gets away with whatever in exactly the same way as the usg it is a tendril of

17:23:00 mircea_popescu: no, just, you suck.

17:23:13 mircea_popescu: start beating the shit out of derps pretending to things, see the wunderbar world that emerges next week.

17:23:35 ascii_butugychag: last i checked, it was usg beating the shit out of derps pretending to sovereign

17:23:43 mircea_popescu: so far i'm having pie.

17:23:47 mircea_popescu: but hey, whatevs.

17:23:50 mircea_popescu: want a pic of my pie ?

17:23:53 ascii_butugychag: yes!

17:23:56 PeterL: "I'm just trying to ..."

17:23:56 mircea_popescu: aite.

17:24:19 *: ascii_butugychag has no pie here in the mine, but will enjoy a picture

17:24:36 PeterL: Yoda: There is no try.

17:24:51 mircea_popescu: as good excuse as any to have another slice.

17:26:05 ascii_butugychag: meanwhile, https://www.rt.com/news/330180-police-violent-refugees-sweden

17:26:06 assbot: Police officers flee angry mob in Swedish refugee center through back door — RT News ... ( http://bit.ly/1Shm6cF )

17:27:57 mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag http://fraudsters.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/no-pie-for-alfie.jpg

17:27:58 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Shmk3z )

17:28:05 mircea_popescu: it's not a la mode because i didn't want to trigger you.

17:28:18 mircea_popescu: snowburial memories and all that

17:29:26 ascii_butugychag: mmmm

17:29:43 ascii_butugychag: i actually prefer shoveling snow to work.

17:30:27 mircea_popescu: you have that much in common with 1980s inteligentsia in the other usg.

17:30:44 ascii_butugychag: aha!

17:30:55 ascii_butugychag: i'd trade it for furnace stoking, also

17:30:58 ascii_butugychag: just like'em./

17:31:29 ascii_butugychag: but see, in the other usg, you could actually take up those professions and still live like a white man

17:32:06 ascii_butugychag: furnace stoker, night watchman, etc. were beloved trades of thinking folk

17:32:16 ascii_butugychag: (paid same as engineer, believe it)

17:33:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14337 @ 0.00055581 = 7.9686 BTC [+] {3}

17:33:24 mircea_popescu: well yes, because racist empire.

17:33:43 ascii_butugychag: l0lwut

17:36:14 mircea_popescu: soviets had a russian > cecen thing going, as a matter of course if not as a matter of law.

17:36:25 ascii_butugychag: ah that, yes

17:36:52 mircea_popescu: well that, yes. what do you think is always and forever at the fundament of " you could [] still live like a white man" ?

17:37:22 mircea_popescu: gotta define white man! through the exclusion of someone, somewhere.

17:37:27 ascii_butugychag: the man-vermin separation is the whole concept of civilization imho.

17:37:37 ascii_butugychag: rats can also outcompete man, as can roaches

17:37:44 ascii_butugychag: unless preemptively pushed out.

17:38:27 ascii_butugychag: this, like any operation against a thermodynamic gradient, is a fragile and temporary thing, and tends to end bloodily, but it is why we have computer and not fucking-goat

17:39:34 ascii_butugychag: incidentally, mircea_popescu has a mega-point in that su, unlike british empire, was self-contained, had own set of coolies

17:39:46 ascii_butugychag: (rural inhabitants fed the city but not permitted therein)

17:40:17 ascii_butugychag: most of'em were ethnically ru however

17:40:33 ascii_butugychag: but predatorial mountain men were shown their place, yes.

17:40:37 mircea_popescu: well yes, it is. or to quote...

17:40:56 mircea_popescu: hm, i can't find the one where i said that the only way to have "justice" is to oppress some derps, but anyway.

17:41:59 ascii_butugychag: su ran on the fumes of four centuries of derp-crushing

17:42:05 ascii_butugychag: just like 20th c. usa

17:42:12 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2013/the-sops-or-what-might-you-expect-from-government-clerks/#selection-73.0-73.123

17:42:13 assbot: The SOPS, or what might you expect from government clerks on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1OWb3RK )

17:42:14 mircea_popescu: there we go

17:43:11 mircea_popescu: !up ascii_butugychag

17:44:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19233 @ 0.00056015 = 10.7734 BTC [+]

17:44:41 shinohai: node is now running mod6 's latest patch, running beautifully \o/

17:45:26 mircea_popescu: :)

17:46:08 pete_dushenski: http://fraudsters.com/2014/time-to-recuperate-this-chauvinism-thing/#footnote_0_58626 << speaking of earlier thread on 'oral tradition'

17:46:08 assbot: Time to recuperate this chauvinism thing. on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1ShoiB3 )

17:46:39 pete_dushenski: came up in search for 'no culture without oppression' quote

17:46:54 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla re email : yes there are contingency plans. no they will not be discussed, with anyone. not until after we've salted the earth where the last "parliament" / "presidential residence" etc stood.

17:49:05 mod6: thanks for testing shinohai

17:52:04 mircea_popescu: ;;nethash

17:52:05 gribble: 966029265.422

17:52:29 pete_dushenski: waiting to see exahash again ?

17:54:08 mircea_popescu: curious what happened there lol.

17:56:03 pete_dushenski: maybe 24hr qc test at factory facility before shipping to permanent data centre.

18:00:21 ascii_butugychag: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-01-2016#1386367 << mpex submarine! six MIRV cones, any questions.

18:00:21 assbot: Logged on 26-01-2016 17:46:54; mircea_popescu: kakobrekla re email : yes there are contingency plans. no they will not be discussed, with anyone. not until after we've salted the earth where the last "parliament" / "presidential residence" etc stood.

18:02:12 mircea_popescu: more like "if you want a billet to help - the application desk is over there ; if not, isn't there some welfare line you sohuld be in ?"

18:03:39 ascii_butugychag: l0l there is application desk?!

18:04:02 ascii_butugychag: or is it a gag door, with pirannha pond on other side

18:06:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29600 @ 0.00054731 = 16.2004 BTC [-] {3}

18:09:45 mircea_popescu: there is an application desk.

18:12:44 adlai: gribble's `nethash` rises and falls with luck and hashing. appears to be (or at least, have similar calculation as) the 3d window from http://bitcoin.sipa.be/speed-lin-2k.png

18:12:45 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1UkAsZ0 )

18:14:08 mircea_popescu: iirc it is exactly that.

18:14:10 mircea_popescu: !up GlobalSolutions

18:14:56 shinohai: !up ascii_butugychag

18:17:02 ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: ok i'll bite. where do i apply.

18:17:17 ascii_butugychag: or is it only for cool kidz.

18:36:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9431 @ 0.00054696 = 5.1584 BTC [-] {3}

18:37:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56118 @ 0.00054683 = 30.687 BTC [-]

18:44:32 mircea_popescu: you applied ~3 years ago. we're still waiting on delivery of the first item, aka the cardano.

18:45:15 ascii_butugychag: ah in that sense

18:45:25 mircea_popescu: yes in that sense. what other sense ?

18:45:29 mircea_popescu: there is no other sense.

18:45:50 mircea_popescu: hope as they might that they'll get a certification to substitute absence of actual skill, the world still runs on physics rather than metaphysics.

18:46:23 mircea_popescu: and yes, i get it, everyone everywhere is holding their precious self in dear esteem and waiting for a better deal.

18:46:48 mircea_popescu: then there's a funeral, and a rehash of the process in younger derps.

18:48:17 mircea_popescu: !up ascii_butugychag

18:49:17 ascii_butugychag: on mircea_popescu's planet of immortal titans it might be different, but where i live there is ~always~ a funeral and a rehash of the process with younger derp

18:49:46 mircea_popescu: i meant of the specific "i'll wait for a better deal" process.

18:54:20 ascii_butugychag: in not entirely unrelated news, i'm reading mailz from world-phamous crypto guy and it is signed with 'android privary guard'

18:54:23 ascii_butugychag: i shit thee not

18:54:27 ascii_butugychag: *privacy

18:54:52 ascii_butugychag: maybe i am already in the insane asylum

18:54:59 ascii_butugychag: and belong there

18:55:39 mircea_popescu: im sure it prevents any isis-eavesdropping

18:56:22 ascii_butugychag: nah no crypto

18:56:23 ascii_butugychag: just sig

18:56:52 ascii_butugychag: but srsly, wtf

18:57:31 ascii_butugychag: take me to where they keep the napoleons.

18:58:22 mircea_popescu: of course... suppose a man plays with a model car. is he insane now ?

18:58:59 ascii_butugychag: only if he tries to get in and drive !

18:59:09 ascii_butugychag: and goes around bragging about his 'car'

18:59:13 ascii_butugychag: and offering rides

19:01:05 trinque: ascii_butugychag: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5c/Napoleon_tomb_bordercropped.jpg << found him for you

19:01:06 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1VozkUp )

19:06:13 PeterL: http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-35350886 << Beards are good for you

19:06:15 assbot: Are beards good for your health? - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1VoAsYe )

19:19:57 mod6: !up ascii_butugychag

19:20:40 mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag this is true. i suppose the matter is open to your evaluation, if he was actually driving the matchbox aroundf or not.

19:21:21 ascii_butugychag: it would appear that he was.

19:21:35 ascii_butugychag: blew my mind.

19:22:11 kakobrekla: mircea_popescu yeah i sent the guy to your logline.

19:22:23 ascii_butugychag: unrelatedly, anybody here ever harness ssd in raid box ? did they die in unison ?

19:22:29 mircea_popescu: ty kako

19:22:45 mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag if you use at least 8, you get one that always dies first.

19:22:51 mircea_popescu: after this you have a few hours safe.

19:23:09 kakobrekla: i have ssds in raid but no deaths, just poor performance

19:23:14 ascii_butugychag: how did you get the 8 figure ?

19:23:24 mircea_popescu: replicating array of 4

19:23:39 mircea_popescu: oh, it was empirically obtained, i didn't theoretically determine it.

19:24:04 ascii_butugychag: i've been running sets of 4 in raid5 (parity, lose-1) for about a decade

19:24:11 ascii_butugychag: but these were classical disks

19:24:15 mircea_popescu: what happens is that one dies, at which point you swap out not IT, but the whole bank.

19:24:22 mircea_popescu: then during the next week you'll be sweeping out the other bank too

19:24:35 kakobrekla: most all raid controlers idiotically need specific hdds for full speed performance

19:24:47 ascii_butugychag: kakobrekla: not 3ware

19:24:59 ascii_butugychag: (as far as i'm concerned, there is ONE manufacturer of raid cards)

19:25:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24600 @ 0.00054694 = 13.4547 BTC [+]

19:25:25 ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: so they burn like candles, huh.

19:25:34 ascii_butugychag: can keep time by it.

19:25:48 mircea_popescu: there's a one that leads the pack, then the bulk of failures, then a coupla heros left behind, fwis.

19:26:18 mircea_popescu: i suppose in pre-postindustrial world, only the heros would havge been shipped, but what can you do.

19:26:54 ascii_butugychag: and these were proper honest whole-box deaths, or just fail-to-write ?

19:27:15 mircea_popescu: misc

19:27:24 kakobrekla: does 3ware have something modern (not isa or pci slot) that doesnt cost an arm and a leg?

19:27:32 mircea_popescu: some actually bricked, some had bizarro but recoverable issues, etc.

19:27:53 mircea_popescu: iirc fail to write just allocates from the spare cells

19:27:58 ascii_butugychag: kakobrekla: yes

19:28:41 ascii_butugychag: kakobrekla: e.g., 9690 series

19:28:52 *: kakobrekla looks

19:29:31 ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: eventually runs out of spare cells

19:29:43 ascii_butugychag: then it gives error when writing block and ends up dropped from array

19:29:44 mircea_popescu: yeah but this is easy to check, better controllers say

19:31:16 hanbot: rakanishux

19:31:25 hanbot: erm.

19:31:30 mircea_popescu: lol ?

19:31:51 ascii_butugychag: waiwut

19:32:08 ascii_butugychag: hanbot gonna have to change launch codez now!11

19:32:12 mircea_popescu: are you doing a diablo binge ?

19:32:28 *: hanbot hides under the bed

19:33:23 mircea_popescu: ahahahaha. what was the system calledm bishibosh ?

19:33:49 hanbot: i admit nothing! (yes)

19:33:59 mircea_popescu: lol

19:34:27 mod6: haha, workin on gettin that new box setup?

19:34:52 thestringpuller: hanbot: plays diablo?

19:35:08 hanbot: i was, yeah. and i used to, thestringpuller, sure.

19:35:18 thestringpuller: what does the universe intend to teach me tomorrow...

19:35:32 mod6: hanbot: cool

19:40:17 ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: i like raid5, among other reasons, because it makes life very painful for boobytrapped hdd supplier

19:40:44 ascii_butugychag: (it instead introduced boobytrapped raid card, but i can deal with those more easily)

19:41:21 mircea_popescu: i don't think i've ever used anything other than 1+0 combos.

19:45:01 ascii_butugychag: 5 is a lose-any-1-of-4

19:46:22 mircea_popescu: 1-0 over eight is lose up to 4.

19:46:58 ascii_butugychag: idk, seems like you can lose a particular 4 and die

19:47:07 mircea_popescu: you can lose a particular 2 and die.

19:47:20 ascii_butugychag: well in my case ~any~ 2

19:47:32 mircea_popescu: yes but 3 kills you fo sho.

19:47:46 ascii_butugychag: 2 kills my setup for sure

19:47:57 mircea_popescu: well, if you had 8, to compare apples the same size.

19:48:01 ascii_butugychag: ah

19:48:09 mircea_popescu: anyway, the arrangement is seriously boosted by the historical accident of spinning hdds.

19:48:36 mircea_popescu: it is practically impossible to get 3 dead, say "fix these so that you can reconstruct one out of these two" and not get it done.

19:48:41 mircea_popescu: if it comes to replacing fucking platters.

19:49:37 ascii_butugychag: ah when the vendors 'refurbish' and resell the crud ?

19:49:41 mircea_popescu: so realistically, if you've two or more failures, your odds of recovering from data loss are still well in the 80%+ range.

19:50:03 mircea_popescu: no, when magic worker in the saving data lab gets to carefully reconstruct hdds under inert gas.\

19:50:18 ascii_butugychag: but whole point of raid is to avoid this

19:50:32 mircea_popescu: !up ascii_butugychag

19:50:53 mircea_popescu: i don't like or trust fancy parity schemes.

19:50:53 ascii_butugychag: incidentally modern hdd doesn't recover worth shit

19:51:04 mircea_popescu: a reflection of my i don't like or trust raid controllers earlier stance

19:51:23 ascii_butugychag: but still like and trust hdd chipset ?

19:51:25 ascii_butugychag: go figure

19:51:37 ascii_butugychag: and a xor b xor c xor d is fancy ?

19:52:07 mircea_popescu: what can i tell ya.

19:52:08 ascii_butugychag: and i like the fact that no one hdd gets to decide what is in my boot sector.

19:52:25 mircea_popescu: this is a view not unlike democracy

19:52:26 ascii_butugychag: (and if it gets ideas, is immediately thrown)

19:52:33 mircea_popescu: "oh i like the fact that no one man decides what is in the lawbook"

19:52:34 mircea_popescu: o yeah ?

19:53:09 ascii_butugychag: 'voting circuit' is unfortunately the one and only way to make machine, that does not fail, out of shit parts.

19:57:28 ascii_butugychag: interestingly, it is possible to arrange the pieces in such a way that there is no voting circuit as such (as central point of failure)

19:57:40 ascii_butugychag: but not in von neumann pc, no.

19:57:45 mircea_popescu: hm ?

19:57:53 ascii_butugychag: ring topology.

19:59:32 ascii_butugychag: see 'firing squad problem.'

19:59:50 mircea_popescu: ternary computer with ring ram and ring disks huh ?

20:00:03 ascii_butugychag: aha.

20:00:27 ascii_butugychag: and now you know how!11

20:01:43 mircea_popescu: poor minsky.

20:02:40 mircea_popescu: but in other ternary news, http://45.media.tumblr.com/65037a8cf6ce18873111918da79fbf26/tumblr_nic6dlMDy21s5y4eao1_500.gif

20:02:42 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1PzDuEC )

20:02:46 ascii_butugychag: btw minsky was quite possibly the most intellectually honest fella in the whole field

20:03:12 ascii_butugychag: in that he not only invented neural net, but single-handedly proved that his original conception (which meanwhile spawned a mega-research-bubble) was a dead end

20:03:18 ascii_butugychag: ;;google perceptron xor

20:03:19 gribble: Single-layer Neural Networks (Perceptrons) - School of Computing: http://computing.dcu.ie/~humphrys/Notes/Neural/single.neural.html; XOR problem - homepage - AGH: http://home.agh.edu.pl/~vlsi/AI/xor_t/en/main.htm; Perceptron - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perceptron

20:03:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18702 @ 0.00054834 = 10.2551 BTC [+]

20:03:52 ascii_butugychag: his proof is homework-classic today

20:04:21 ascii_butugychag: http://web.csulb.edu/~cwallis/artificialn/History.htm << see also.

20:04:22 assbot: History of the Perceptron ... ( http://bit.ly/1PzDHaD )

20:04:57 ascii_butugychag: minsky birthed it, and killed it

20:05:18 ascii_butugychag: (multilayer nn with backpropagation was invented ~much~ later)

20:06:29 ascii_butugychag: the only comparable monument to scientific honesty i know of was the fella on the other side of the ocean, in su, with polywater

20:07:00 ascii_butugychag: Derjaguin.

20:07:20 ascii_butugychag: Дерягин, Борис Владимирович.

20:07:55 ascii_butugychag: who discovered, and then ~undiscovered~, apologized for mistake, demolished bubble of charlatans.

20:08:18 ascii_butugychag: fell on grenade.

20:08:49 ascii_butugychag: compare with, e.g., p. r. blondlot

20:08:53 ascii_butugychag: of 'n-rays' fame.

20:09:13 ascii_butugychag: french physics was wanking over imaginary rays until he died !

20:34:22 mod6: !up ascii_butugychag

20:36:40 ascii_butugychag: minsky, incidentally, also invented confocal microscope. and ocular display.

20:36:44 ascii_butugychag: and a few other things.

20:42:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27450 @ 0.00054683 = 15.0105 BTC [-] {2}

20:46:55 ben_vulpes: http://41.media.tumblr.com/bfa8efa37a7cbf61c9fc82d9fa0c2984/tumblr_n149rsIhZp1s71q1zo1_1280.png

20:46:59 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1S9g6oe )

21:01:53 danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-01-2016#1386041 << not just logical. That is the official policy of the IRS according to their own documentation. That's why I stopped filing.

21:01:53 assbot: Logged on 26-01-2016 15:26:56; mircea_popescu: ~you~ "gotta" pay an accountant to keep IRS' files in order. wouldn't it be logical if THEY had to come to you with a "here's how much we think you owe and if we're wriong we'll goi do the math again" ? who's the sovereign here ?

21:01:58 danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-01-2016#1386465 << the intersection of the sets "people who play Eulora" and "people who used to play Diablo" is well populated

21:01:58 assbot: Logged on 26-01-2016 19:34:52; thestringpuller: hanbot: plays diablo?

21:03:37 ascii_butugychag: danielpbarron: filing is optional if you work for gold dubloons, aha

21:04:50 danielpbarron: !up ascii_butugychag

21:04:55 ascii_butugychag: and incidentally, it is well-known why american tax system is complicated and requires many precise calculations by the victim

21:05:10 ascii_butugychag: -- it is so that he gets a chance to fuck it up and pay mega-penalty

21:05:35 ascii_butugychag: (hiring an accountaint does not necessarily prevent this, by american law, accountant is not liable)

21:06:24 ascii_butugychag: this is why, even if you work for usg, they pay you and then you have to send the exact amount, ~calculated by you~, back...

21:09:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25750 @ 0.00055128 = 14.1955 BTC [+] {3}

21:13:29 jurov: in other news, http://s12.postimg.org/cqy6boot9/bitcoin_core_analysis.png

21:13:30 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1PzK4Le )

21:21:24 PeterL: I got my tax form from my previous emplyer yesterday, realized they had me down for 11 exemptions and withheld no fed taxes.

21:21:42 PeterL: (should have been 5 or 6)

21:22:19 PeterL: might actually end up owing fed taxes, usually i get several $k back at tax time from the feds

21:30:18 trinque: PeterL: it doesn't hurt to keep your own calculations on hand; I've had employers screw up in all directions

21:30:51 trinque: one switched payroll companies midway through the year, and somehow they both ended up filing a w2 on my behalf, roughly doubling the amount the feds expected to receive until I persuaded them otherwise

21:33:50 thestringpuller: ascii_butugychag: yes. and the penalty for not paying is jail time with butt rapin' niggas.

21:42:20 mod6: !up ascii_butugychag

21:48:18 ascii_butugychag: thestringpuller: but in practice the folks who sit down in jail are white middle class types, for whom the amount owed is known exactly in real time by usg every time they get salary, and never mexican 'illegals' who work for bags of benjie.

21:49:25 ascii_butugychag: also typically the penalty is confiscation, jail is for especially uppity folks who are judged to have ~actively~ tried to cheat the crown

21:49:53 danielpbarron: you guys mean to say 'prison' ; 'jail' is temporary holding between arrest and trial

21:50:01 ascii_butugychag: prison.

21:50:14 ascii_butugychag: 'prison, like the grave, can find room for everyone' (tm) (r) (ru)

22:00:40 thestringpuller: from prison to the gasenwagon

22:07:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21032 @ 0.000554 = 11.6517 BTC [+] {2}

22:18:46 mod6: !up ascii_butugychag

22:20:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15268 @ 0.00056023 = 8.5536 BTC [+]

22:38:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13515 @ 0.00055682 = 7.5254 BTC [-]

22:42:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7441 @ 0.00055682 = 4.1433 BTC [-]

22:54:47 thestringpuller: !up ascii_butugychag

22:55:24 ascii_butugychag: how goes, thestringpuller ?

23:10:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67850 @ 0.00056062 = 38.0381 BTC [+]

23:12:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21100 @ 0.00056076 = 11.832 BTC [+] {2}

23:13:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28337 @ 0.00056062 = 15.8863 BTC [-]

23:18:22 thestringpuller: ascii_butugychag: Spinning around in my chair screaming at excel.

23:18:45 thestringpuller: no way to avoid microshit in a department full of Marketing girls.

23:20:40 adlai: ascii_butugychag: prison needs a sovereign benefactor to maintain, lest it "go private" (or become just a regular old dungeon pit)

23:21:09 thestringpuller: dungeon pits are kinda cool.

23:21:23 ascii_butugychag: it is interesting to read about how dungeon pits worked in the near east

23:21:37 adlai: mno. you want the one with the TV and complimentary pogoplugs

23:21:41 ascii_butugychag: they were not a long-term thing

23:22:54 *: adlai must confess that the first reassuring thought that crossed his mind post-arrest was, after the initial shock wore off, "at least I get what Socrates was killed for deserving"

23:22:59 ascii_butugychag: generally you would not end up in one unless whoever put you there believed that someone will come up with the money to have you ransomed, or - alternatively - pay to have you put out of your misery

23:23:24 ascii_butugychag: adlai: what were you in for ?

23:23:29 adlai: ascii_butugychag: what happened to the future-corpses left to rot?

23:23:52 ascii_butugychag: wai wut

23:23:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 121400 @ 0.00056058 = 68.0544 BTC [-] {4}

23:24:08 *: adlai was arrested in targential connection with the international tulip trade... or was it some other flower?

23:24:26 danielpbarron: daffodil or amarylis perhaps

23:24:47 adlai: although "in" is a suggestive word, here. I wasn't "in" anything, my acquaintance with the jail/prison/dungeon/etc system is tangential, academic, etc

23:25:15 *: adlai leaves the inside scoop to brave men such as chuckles shroom

23:25:21 adlai: !up ascii_butugychag

23:25:47 ascii_butugychag: adlai: are you familiar with my 'coke machine' hypothesis ?

23:26:00 adlai: !s from:ascii* coke

23:26:01 assbot: 67 results for 'from:ascii* coke' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Aascii%2A+coke

23:26:14 adlai: (rings a bell but i'll have to verify)

23:26:23 ascii_butugychag: !s coke machine

23:26:24 assbot: 37 results for 'coke machine' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=coke+machine

23:27:21 ascii_butugychag: i predicted that in the near future, some people (possibly including some of the folks here) may find themselves inside a kind of pit prison

23:27:23 ascii_butugychag: but fully automated

23:27:49 ascii_butugychag: for so long as a certain address has a positive btc balance, prisoner gets to eat.

23:28:02 ascii_butugychag: (the cost of the meals is determined on case by case basis)

23:28:10 adlai: whence the power bill once all the prisoners starve out of poverty and/or spite?

23:28:31 adlai: do you insert the btc buyers who paid power bill until today as the new victims?

23:28:39 BingoBoingo: <PeterL> I got my tax form from my previous emplyer yesterday, realized they had me down for 11 exemptions and withheld no fed taxes. << Shoulda made more children

23:28:41 ascii_butugychag: how the coin gets to the address, is not specified. perhaps it is posted on the walls of the prison. perhaps there is a place to key in private key. etc

23:29:41 adlai: human brains are terrible at this kind of task (mining/recalling private keys)

23:29:46 ascii_butugychag: anyway this is in the logz.

23:30:19 adlai: not that i'm much of an expert on torture, but my guess is that you want to "break" the victim as quickly as possible, get as many high-value keys in one messy week, then release spent shell as positive example for next victim

23:30:38 ascii_butugychag: no coin, no problem, the floor detects once you've quit breathing and opens to the ferment reactor.

23:31:38 *: adlai is reminded also of this one beckett play, ends with the mime waiting for fingernails to grow toa useful length

23:31:51 ascii_butugychag: how to price the meals, as i said, is a case-by-case matter, it will depend on the suspected net worth of the inmate, whether he has someone on the outside to supply ransom, etc.

23:32:07 adlai: all i'm saying is that this is not a sustainable business model

23:32:15 adlai: 0/10 would not reinvest

23:32:25 ascii_butugychag: like any other business, it is what you make of it.

23:32:51 ascii_butugychag: catch just one ulbricht and you pay back 10,000 years of running empty.

23:33:18 adlai: aha, it's not a business model... it's a business ~venture~. a lottery.

23:33:55 ascii_butugychag: 'lottery' is a term generally reserved for -EV propositions.

23:33:56 *: adlai refrains from continuing the "1984 was not a how-to manual" department

23:34:49 ascii_butugychag: if adlai knows how to rigorously prove the 'coke machine' to be -EV, i would like to hear.

23:34:53 adlai: hmm,i'm not sure i like that connotation. can't lotteries be 0EV, zero-sum games?

23:34:59 ascii_butugychag: because, for instance, it will soften the chances of us ending up in one

23:35:17 ascii_butugychag: adlai: in practice, it has to be worth somebody's while to run the game

23:35:26 ascii_butugychag: hence no 0sum lottery.

23:35:41 danielpbarron: what use is anyone in such a pit? why would anyone pay into it?

23:35:52 ascii_butugychag: whaddayamean what use

23:35:53 *: adlai defers to an oft-repeated meniism: "if you care about friendly AI, donate to stephen wolfram" (or was it that other fanfic author?)

23:35:56 ascii_butugychag: he coughs up coin

23:36:04 ascii_butugychag: or persuades friends, relatives, to do it on his behalf.

23:36:20 danielpbarron: right, why would the friends do it

23:36:21 adlai: ascii_butugychag: would you call bitcoin mining a lottery?

23:36:29 *: adlai would

23:36:30 danielpbarron: why be friends with a pit dweller?

23:36:44 ascii_butugychag: danielpbarron: presumably he was your friend ~before~

23:36:53 danielpbarron: yeah was being the key word there

23:37:02 adlai: danielpbarron: iiuc you don't befriend them out of pity, you cough up coin to get your friend back outside of the matchbox

23:37:15 ascii_butugychag: at any rate, this is a bog-standard minor variation on the ancient theme of kidnapping, with the added twist that the victim can pay his own ransom

23:37:18 danielpbarron: so ransom-wet-ware ?

23:37:21 ascii_butugychag: aha.

23:37:32 danielpbarron: well this is the first mention of the possibility of escape

23:38:07 ascii_butugychag: but as with the old pit dungeons ('zindan') of bukhara, etc. the 'escape' part is optional

23:38:09 adlai: allowing inmates communication with the outside world (cf "dear dad, send money") widens the scope beyond even my analytic capabilities

23:38:42 ascii_butugychag: adlai: that is part of the scheme, yes. schmuck can go and beg for ransom to keep him alive (or alternatively to pay for a faster death)

23:38:48 polarbeard: cubechain, like cube but with the blockchain

23:39:10 polarbeard: it follows the current trend, we will soon watch it in cinemas

23:39:56 ascii_butugychag: there is certainly precedent; englishmen subjected to the peine forte et dure were sometimes permitted to invite relatives, friends, to add weights or jump on the plank

23:40:05 adlai: hypercubechain, entered by unsuspecting cashers-out when they tour their newly-built homes :D

23:40:35 adlai: paying for a faster death seems a sounder business model, cf 'death with dignity'

23:42:36 adlai: "all btc" is finite, forever; "btc movable by inmate" is finite per inmate; latter decreases an inmates remain. at some point inmate must know they'll run out of starvation preventatives, and it's just cost optimization for everybody involved to opt out

23:43:19 adlai: s/an inmates remain/as long as inmates remain alive, paying out their btc/

23:43:45 polarbeard: I like how cube's cover spoils all the movie in four words: 'fear paranoia suspicion desesperation'

23:43:55 polarbeard: that's literally it

23:44:29 adlai: so the only way i see this being a +EV sustainable enterprise, rather than a "let's hope the next one is hal finney's long-lost grandson", is if you entrap dearly beloved members of families/clans prepared to enter indentured servitude to keep the inmate alive

23:45:33 ascii_butugychag: for completeness, the operating cost of the coke machine cannot be assumed to be zero

23:45:46 adlai: right, you need slave income > power bill

23:46:00 ascii_butugychag: works best as an institution at the heart of an evil empire with massive standing army, etc.

23:46:46 ascii_butugychag: (gotta have some way of keeping folks from simply busting people out. as usg famously failed to do in iraq.)

23:47:09 adlai: slavery is unsustainable when overleveraged

23:47:35 ascii_butugychag: 'market can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent' (tm) (r)

23:47:45 polarbeard: a cheap way would be to actually destroy your physical body and upload your mind to a virtual torture chamber

23:47:56 adlai: fwiw original quote is s/you/$0 or i/

23:48:28 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-01-2016#1386514 << and look at all the difference that made, too!

23:48:28 assbot: Logged on 26-01-2016 20:03:12; ascii_butugychag: in that he not only invented neural net, but single-handedly proved that his original conception (which meanwhile spawned a mega-research-bubble) was a dead end

23:48:59 adlai: polarbeard: this is not self-inflicted. a being capable of simulating your mind/soul/etc should be able to drain your btc and subsequently reclaim wasted resources

23:49:38 adlai: in other words, if the coke machine is +EV, then bitcoin's Existence will at least prove that "but he loves you" (carlin)

23:49:53 polarbeard: that's why it would be cheap, the torturing is only for keeping the mind busy while the program inspects it

23:50:09 ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: minsky's proof bulldozed funding for 'ai' for many years; often called the first 'ai winter'

23:50:39 mircea_popescu: sure.

23:50:54 mircea_popescu: if we wish to credit phenomena with intension, it did.

23:50:54 mircea_popescu: and ?

23:51:12 *: adlai notes that "full program obfuscation", like "fully homomorphic encryption", Exists less than even Bitcoin

23:51:30 *: ascii_butugychag begins to see where mircea_popescu is going with this

23:52:22 adlai: ascii_butugychag: fwiw, Bitcoin is its own (decentralized, to boot!) coke machine

23:52:34 ascii_butugychag: and yes, minsky had nfi that he would thermonuke the whole racket

23:52:53 ascii_butugychag: but he ~could~ have derped on, as many do, despite knowing that the perceptron is provably useless

23:52:55 ascii_butugychag: and did not.

23:53:07 adlai: and here by "Bitcoin" i mean b,tmsr~, along with all the human rabble trailing along its fringes,and their fringes, and theirs, all the way out to the eight billionth... one giant wetware cokemachine.

23:53:48 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-01-2016#1386548 << yeah, note the recently re-activated bitcoinica scammer.

23:53:48 assbot: Logged on 26-01-2016 21:13:29; jurov: in other news, http://s12.postimg.org/cqy6boot9/bitcoin_core_analysis.png

23:54:08 adlai: "want your next meal to include complimentary vintage symbolics memorabilia? donate extra 3 btc"

23:55:01 ascii_butugychag: adlai: is this a reference to how i'd like my lisp machine to be brought as weight to me peine forte et dure ?

23:55:10 ascii_butugychag: because i would like to request this.

23:55:33 adlai: !up ascii_butugychag

23:56:06 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-01-2016#1386573 << it still imports vanilla xml doesn't it ?

23:56:06 assbot: Logged on 26-01-2016 23:18:22; thestringpuller: ascii_butugychag: Spinning around in my chair screaming at excel.

23:56:11 adlai: it's a reference to 'et omnia ex machina', if i may (deus ex machina meets vanitas vanitatis)

23:56:12 mircea_popescu: you could do xml instead!!111!1

23:57:18 adlai: xml is too context-unaware, these days all the cool scams use RDF

23:59:44 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-01-2016#1386588 << dude could you be any more of a retarded camwhore, seriously.

23:59:44 assbot: Logged on 26-01-2016 23:24:47; adlai: although "in" is a suggestive word, here. I wasn't "in" anything, my acquaintance with the jail/prison/dungeon/etc system is tangential, academic, etc

23:59:55 mircea_popescu: are we all vague and mysterious and shit ? whoopee.

23:59:57 adlai: ascii_butugychag: so, even if no single Sovereign invests in building and powering a coke machine (or worst - CMaaS! cloud coking! etc), my point is that the collected actions of all eight billion / fifteen thousand / etc sovereigns does turn the rock into a bit of a coke machine