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00:00:20 BingoBoingo: MisterE: Post I linked though was me telling them to get a time machine, because Gox's death should be the 11th least surprising thing in Bitcoin this year.

00:01:06 MisterE: never get shit from the Japs

00:01:38 MisterE: guess that was what the Gox premium was worth

00:03:44 BingoBoingo: Well, the gox premium was worth an inability to withdraw fiat, the gox discount is worth an inability to withdraw BTC. The discount won in the end because People want BTC moar. Free markets at work.

00:04:13 lnovy: Mark might have created bitcoin futures, this will be hilarious :)

00:05:54 dub: the only thing japanese about gox is tux' dirty panty collection

00:06:34 BingoBoingo: I don't think Mark did much other than Highlight why PHP should never touch commands passed to a bitcoin deamon (hopefully not bitcoind for too much longer)

00:07:06 BingoBoingo: Jed though invented a lot of things, that Mark gets too much credit for.

00:07:39 lnovy: I don't think bitcoin public cares about that much details :)

00:07:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.1175 BTC [+]

00:08:22 lnovy: but think about it... yes you can have your coins... for sure... in 2384 ;)

00:09:14 lnovy: <MagicalTux> Well, technically speaking it's not "lost" just yet, just

00:09:15 lnovy: temporarily unavailable"

00:09:25 lnovy: what _else_ could it be? :)

00:09:28 BingoBoingo: lnovy: The Bitcoin public is rather small.

00:09:41 lnovy: it was :(

00:10:29 BingoBoingo: lnovy: No. If anything the actual Bitcoin public has shrank considerably since the fall of 2012

00:10:54 lnovy: these are still new ages...

00:11:03 BingoBoingo: Of course.

00:12:01 BingoBoingo: It is still new ages, but this week a lot of people who though they were "in" Bitcoin realized they never stopped being n00bs in spite of having been around for the great silk road bubble of 2011

00:12:37 lnovy: yeah... the only way to learn that the stove is hot is to get burned...

00:12:55 lnovy: some people just don't learn :/

00:13:10 d34th: i learned by putting my hand near and feeling the heat

00:13:38 lnovy: you don't remember :) heat is heat, pain is pain

00:13:58 d34th: getting burnt by a stove isnt true pain

00:14:06 d34th: true pain is frying bacon naked

00:14:12 lnovy: !

00:14:16 d34th: you endure for a sweet reward at the end

00:14:48 BingoBoingo: Catch is Gox had no bacon

00:15:15 lnovy: Quote #957400 is pending moderation.

00:16:55 BingoBoingo: The more you read on GOx the further you push pack the date where red flags became evident in retrospect.

00:18:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7500 @ 0.0008816 = 6.612 BTC [+] {2}

00:18:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 35 @ 0.49677349 = 17.3871 BTC [+] {13}

00:19:27 B007: I'm glad I don't have anything in GOX

00:23:35 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the people who by all rights ought to be taking some heat, but aren't, are the enablers.

00:23:45 asciilifeform: the u.s. media of whom gox is arguably a creature.

00:24:30 asciilifeform: and now that it's dead, they will be sure to send the cattle directly to whatever replaces it in scamspace.

00:24:58 asciilifeform: (under no circumstances are cattle permitted to wander unguided, mp had a piece on this if i recall)

00:25:32 BingoBoingo: Well, If the US media was really that effective at promoting trends from Japan I would expect more emergency room visits from squid and octopus related injuries of the genitalia. Alas...

00:25:51 asciilifeform: afaik, gox is japanese solely in the geographic sense.

00:26:33 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Even very guided cattle can walk through gaping holes http://deadspin.com/the-cardinals-are-very-embarrassed-by-carlos-martinezs-1530572369

00:26:55 BingoBoingo: ozbot

00:26:57 BingoBoingo: http://deadspin.com/the-cardinals-are-very-embarrassed-by-carlos-martinezs-1530572369

00:26:58 ozbot: The Cardinals Are Very Embarrassed By Carlos Martinez's Wall Of Porn

00:27:22 asciilifeform: maybe i'm thick - not sure how this connects

00:28:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 139 @ 0.00571849 = 0.7949 BTC [-] {3}

00:28:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20900 @ 0.00088473 = 18.4909 BTC [+] {2}

00:28:12 BingoBoingo: A team looking to invest tens of millions over a decade on a 22 year old who can throw a ball hard can't keep one of their bulls from filling their twitter wall full of white girl vaginas

00:29:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 172 @ 0.00570056 = 0.9805 BTC [-] {2}

00:29:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.10901011 BTC [-]

00:29:18 BingoBoingo: Even very guided cattle will stray

00:30:35 BingoBoingo: At least the children who follow him on twitter now know which strike zone he finds most important though.

00:30:51 BingoBoingo: MP might probably call that a win.

00:32:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-]

00:37:58 BingoBoingo: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/02/25/a-reminder-the-most-important-word-in-bitcoin-again-because-gox/

00:38:00 ozbot: A Reminder – The Most Important Word in Bitcoin, Again because Gox | Bingo Blog

00:41:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.11461999 = 0.5731 BTC [-] {2}

00:41:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0600101 = 0.18 BTC [-]

00:43:50 mike_c: wot fail

00:43:51 mike_c: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=MagicalTux

00:43:52 ozbot: Rating Details for User 'MagicalTux'

00:44:25 mike_c: "if we don't trust him, who can we trust? ;)" hehehe

00:45:05 Apocalyptic: there is a strong trust link between mircea and MagicalTux btw

00:45:19 Apocalyptic: as he trusts nanotube with a 10 who trusts MT with a 7

00:45:26 mike_c: yeah, he only has 3 negative ratings.

00:51:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.16230094 = 1.623 BTC [-]

00:53:18 BingoBoingo: ;;rate MagicalTux -10 Ran an exchange that failed

00:53:20 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of -10 for user MagicalTux has been recorded.

00:53:32 BingoBoingo: NEG RATING PARTY

01:00:04 BingoBoingo: Who has slashdot accounts and wants to spread some love? http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op=view&type=submission&id=3366357

01:00:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.1090011 BTC [-]

01:02:42 BingoBoingo: I don't see much Gox neg rating yet...

01:03:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.102102 = 0.2042 BTC [-] {2}

01:03:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.16230094 = 0.3246 BTC [-] {2}

01:03:45 BingoBoingo: ;;rate herbijudlestoids 1 n00b with graphs

01:03:46 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user herbijudlestoids has been recorded.

01:04:17 BingoBoingo: ;;rate chatquack 1 didn't make a bad irc bot

01:04:19 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user chatquack has been recorded.

01:04:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.061 = 0.122 BTC [-] {2}

01:04:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.10205 = 0.2041 BTC [-] {2}

01:04:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.16230094 = 0.3246 BTC [-] {2}

01:04:55 BingoBoingo: ;;rate moiety 1 attempted the impossible, don't think other people's money was lost

01:04:56 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user moiety has been recorded.

01:06:17 mike_c: ;;rate MagicalTux -2 ran a fractional reserve exchange

01:06:18 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of -2 for user MagicalTux has been recorded.

01:06:51 Jere_Jones: BingoBoingo done

01:07:07 BingoBoingo: Jere_Jones mike_c Sweet

01:07:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.0055 = 0.275 BTC

01:07:51 BingoBoingo: mike_c: Remember when you asked me for a sports book recommendation?

01:07:55 mike_c: yes

01:08:29 BingoBoingo: I took most of my balance out of there. They are cutting down on their offerings a lot. No serious concerns yet, but be careful.

01:08:43 mike_c: hm. i will pass it along. a friend of mine was looking. thanks.

01:08:45 chatquack: Hey Thanks BingoBoingo. I'm glad ya like him!

01:09:10 BingoBoingo: chatquack: You are very welcome. Remember to scroll up and vote on the slashdot submission

01:11:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27000 @ 0.00087881 = 23.7279 BTC [-] {2}

01:13:58 punkman1: "I barely have enough time to eat dinner, shower, and get online to research new cryptocoins to invest in. I have no social life, but this is of my choosing because I can't be bothered to socialize and waste money on a few beers and hang out with friends/women"

01:14:42 BingoBoingo: WTF

01:15:19 BingoBoingo: Nothing of value has recently happened on a Friday or Saturday other than Altcoin's unveiling

01:22:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 70 @ 0.005701 = 0.3991 BTC [+] {4}

01:22:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 503 @ 0.00088989 = 0.4476 BTC [+] {2}

01:24:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 44 @ 0.005701 = 0.2508 BTC [+] {2}

01:34:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 20 @ 0.00579991 = 0.116 BTC [+] {2}

01:35:49 mike_c: http://www.btcalpha.com/blog/2014/just-dice-from-the-beginning/

01:35:49 ozbot: Just-Dice From the Beginning - Btc Alpha

01:36:09 mike_c: BingoBoingo: check out that september. what a swing!

01:37:08 BingoBoingo: mike_c: On big whale can do it.

01:37:16 mike_c: and did.

01:38:37 Apocalyptic: "Chris Moore" oh did dooglus go public with his identity at some point ? I missed that

01:39:19 mike_c: um, hopefully

01:39:38 mike_c: https://twitter.com/dooglus

01:39:39 ozbot: Chris Moore (dooglus) on Twitter

01:39:42 BingoBoingo: Apocalyptic: He did quite some time ago

01:43:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 104 @ 0.00578999 = 0.6022 BTC [-] {3}

01:44:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 310 @ 0.00588245 = 1.8236 BTC [+] {3}

01:48:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 36 @ 0.00589 = 0.212 BTC [+]

01:56:31 BingoBoingo: ;;rate TradeFortress -5 scammed, dunno if defaulted or robbed, but lost other people's coin

01:56:33 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of -5 for user TradeFortress has been recorded.

01:57:24 KRS-One: heh

01:59:04 BingoBoingo: ;;rate KRS-One 1 knows what he likes

01:59:04 gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.

01:59:12 BingoBoingo: O.o

02:00:53 KRS-One: hey im in there

02:00:58 KRS-One: ;;ident

02:00:58 gribble: Nick 'KRS-One', with hostmask 'KRS-One!~KRS1@c-50-143-86-143.hsd1.fl.comcast.net', is not identified.

02:03:22 BingoBoingo: ...

02:03:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 281 @ 0.00589 = 1.6551 BTC [+] {3}

02:03:43 BingoBoingo: ;;ident KRS1

02:03:44 gribble: Nick 'KRS1', with hostmask 'KRS1!~KRS1@c-50-143-86-143.hsd1.fl.comcast.net', is not identified.

02:17:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 86 @ 0.00589997 = 0.5074 BTC [+] {2}

02:34:01 Bugpowder: zerohedge ‏@zerohedge MT. GOX SUBPOENAED BY U.S. PROSECUTOR

02:35:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 19 @ 0.00589997 = 0.1121 BTC [+]

02:40:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 71 @ 0.00572005 = 0.4061 BTC [-] {2}

02:41:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 760 @ 0.00589998 = 4.484 BTC [+] {4}

02:42:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14700 @ 0.00088292 = 12.9789 BTC [+]

02:42:46 Apocalyptic: Bugpowder, nothing on their website

02:46:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.0059 = 0.295 BTC [+]

02:47:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 22 @ 0.0059 = 0.1298 BTC [+]

02:51:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15700 @ 0.00088238 = 13.8534 BTC [-] {2}

02:51:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 233 @ 0.0059 = 1.3747 BTC [+]

03:01:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 30 @ 0.0059 = 0.177 BTC [+]

03:02:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00088221 = 8.9985 BTC [-] {2}

03:04:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 45 @ 0.0059 = 0.2655 BTC [+]

03:10:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.10888889 = 0.98 BTC [-] {5}

03:13:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.16230094 = 0.3246 BTC [-]

03:13:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12851 @ 0.00088534 = 11.3775 BTC [+] {2}

03:15:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.499 BTC [+]

03:15:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 41 @ 0.0059 = 0.2419 BTC [+]

03:16:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 72 @ 0.0059 = 0.4248 BTC [+]

03:20:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.49945 = 0.9989 BTC [+]

03:34:26 BingoBoingo: .bait

03:34:28 ozbot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/39f541fc0f0a260d10cebe45d32a07ef/tumblr_mwb973RVdy1qh7loto1_1280.jpg

03:35:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 26 @ 0.00585 = 0.1521 BTC [-]

03:35:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 50 @ 0.00534787 = 0.2674 BTC [+] {4}

03:35:39 kakobrekla: so jurov bait or not?

03:35:56 deadweasel: sharkbait

03:38:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-]

03:43:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 73 @ 0.00535 = 0.3906 BTC [+]

03:45:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0605 = 0.121 BTC [+]

03:46:19 BingoBoingo: Looks like slashdot is close again http://slashdot.org/submission/3366357/mtgox-collapse-should-come-as-no-suprise

03:51:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 400 @ 0.00584 = 2.336 BTC [-]

03:51:45 kakobrekla: !t h neobee

03:51:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK:NEOBEE] 1D: 0.00415000 / 0.00555781 / 0.00598000 (64684 shares, 359.50132705 BTC), 7D: 0.00278000 / 0.00428233 / 0.00598000 (330230 shares, 1414.15426935 BTC), 30D: 0.00257150 / 0.00391709 / 0.00598000 (453584 shares, 1776.72765874 BTC)

03:52:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36900 @ 0.0008861 = 32.6971 BTC [+] {4}

03:55:34 nubbins`: +1 insightful, bingo

03:55:55 Jere_Jones: getting eulora to build on windows is a serious pita

03:56:04 nubbins`: getting it to build on osx is a serious pita

03:56:07 nubbins`: almost there tho :D

03:56:15 BingoBoingo: Thanks nubbins` almost there indeed

03:56:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 170 @ 0.00585 = 0.9945 BTC [+]

03:56:44 nubbins`: Jere_Jones: had to get my hands a bit dirty and start modifying code

03:57:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 34 @ 0.00585 = 0.1989 BTC [+]

03:58:35 Jere_Jones: I'm still fighting with the configure. I have to add a line to touch a file every couple hundred lines because windows is dumb about empty sets.

04:00:13 ThickAsThieves: ;;rate MagicalTux -10 Caused my father-in-law to call my wife worried about whether I got out of bitcoin before it died.

04:00:15 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of -10 for user MagicalTux has been recorded.

04:00:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 166 @ 0.00584 = 0.9694 BTC [-] {2}

04:01:25 BingoBoingo: lol

04:02:04 BingoBoingo: ;;rate MagicalTux -10 wanted everybody's personal information, offered none of its

04:02:06 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user MagicalTux has changed from -10 to -10.

04:02:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 29 @ 0.00584241 = 0.1694 BTC [+] {2}

04:02:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21950 @ 0.0008813 = 19.3445 BTC [-] {3}

04:03:31 joecool: ;;gettrust MagicalTux

04:03:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 23 @ 0.00585 = 0.1346 BTC [+]

04:03:33 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user joecool to user MagicalTux: Level 1: -3, Level 2: 4 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=joecool&dest=MagicalTux | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=MagicalTux | Rated since: Mon Dec 20 13:21:21 2010

04:05:16 BingoBoingo: Oh a wired writer is getting into a conversation

04:06:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 19 @ 0.00585 = 0.1112 BTC [+]

04:06:41 joecool: ;;rated mtgox

04:06:41 gribble: You rated user mtgox on Sun Nov 24 23:57:46 2013, with a rating of -10, and supplied these additional notes: sucks.

04:06:51 nubbins`: mention about that guy sudelis or whatever redacting the pdf himself

04:07:14 Diablo-D3: http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303880604579405852448992982

04:07:15 ozbot: Mt. Gox Receives Subpoena From Federal Prosecutor: Source - WSJ.com

04:07:42 nubbins`: selkis

04:08:11 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell benkay vaguely.

04:08:11 gribble: The operation succeeded.

04:08:11 nubbins`: i saw his name in an associated press article today

04:09:44 joecool: ;;rate MagicalTux -9 the single largest contributing factor to negative press on bitcoin and the lack trust of the community, not -10 because kalyhost hasn't burned me yet and I have a bet riding on you going to jail

04:09:45 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user MagicalTux has changed from -3 to -9.

04:10:17 joecool: o wrong chan

04:10:20 joecool: whatever

04:10:28 mircea_popescu: joecool lol amusingly i think i wrote last year about how mtgox is the one single worst thing in btc.

04:10:31 BingoBoingo: joecool: Well, gribble's here it works

04:10:56 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: That article is part of the bit I am trying to get on slashdot nao

04:10:59 punkman1: wait, someone uses karpeles' hosting?

04:11:00 mircea_popescu: oic.

04:11:13 mircea_popescu: punkman1 that's nothing, sometimes i see people in btc on linode.

04:11:34 joecool: punkman1: registrar

04:11:36 Apocalyptic: punkman1, heh

04:11:42 [\]: hi

04:12:15 nubbins`: hi

04:12:21 joecool: it's funny how small and quiet the support channel is for it too

04:12:24 [\]: asl

04:12:26 joecool: MT is still sitting in there

04:12:33 Apocalyptic: .d

04:12:33 ozbot: 3.130 billion | Next Diff in 435 blocks | Estimated Change: 20.0629% in 2d 9h 53m 33s

04:12:38 [\]: its a irc bouncer

04:12:43 [\]: I wouldn't put too much stock in it

04:12:54 nubbins`: 18/f/single

04:12:57 kakobrekla: not even laughing stock?

04:12:58 mircea_popescu: [\\\] you are 12 and what are you doing here

04:12:59 nubbins`: i mean usa

04:13:06 [\]: mircea_popescu: .boobies

04:13:14 mircea_popescu: .d erp

04:13:16 [\]: .bait

04:13:17 joecool: [\\\]: does he have it issuing commands regularly, i have not seen idle time of over 2 hours ever

04:13:17 ozbot: http://25.media.tumblr.com/8afa1c22159f8c9b336dc829a17cef8a/tumblr_mp47uxcB0B1svc1bto1_500.jpg

04:13:20 joecool: in the past day or so

04:13:28 BingoBoingo: puppies.txt

04:13:35 Apocalyptic: ""At this stage the relevant financial authorities, the police, the Finance Ministry and others are gathering information on the case,""

04:13:43 mircea_popescu: oic, at THIS stage.

04:13:44 [\]: Apocalyptic: link

04:13:44 Apocalyptic: that escalated quite quickly

04:13:50 dexX7: joecool: it's silent, because the channel is muted

04:13:51 Apocalyptic: http://www.cnbc.com/id/101446338

04:13:52 ozbot: Japan authorities looking into closure of Mt. Gox bitcoin exchange

04:13:56 mircea_popescu: god forbid they fucking read trilema gathered shit at THAT stage.

04:14:22 joecool: dexX7: not the channel i'm talking about :)

04:14:54 joecool: #mtgox has 625, this channel has 12

04:14:59 joecool: totally different scale

04:15:02 BingoBoingo: Eh, Imma trying to get that April 2013 Trilema on Slashdot, but... weeknights are hard

04:15:22 kakobrekla: 13

04:15:26 joecool: :)

04:16:29 Diablo-D3: http://www.cnbc.com/id/101446338,

04:16:30 ozbot: Japan authorities looking into closure of Mt. Gox bitcoin exchange

04:16:32 Diablo-D3: http://www.cnbc.com/id/101446338

04:16:32 ozbot: Japan authorities looking into closure of Mt. Gox bitcoin exchange

04:16:38 [\]: great

04:16:43 [\]: as if we didn't have that link already

04:16:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16700 @ 0.00087924 = 14.6833 BTC [-] {2}

04:16:48 [\]: derp

04:17:06 BingoBoingo: -assets will get all of the links

04:17:23 kakobrekla: trice

04:18:05 jcpham: that wickedfire thread is a good read

04:18:07 [\]: good thing gox has all of pirate's coins.

04:18:15 jcpham: +___+++!

04:18:17 jcpham: 1

04:18:35 [\]: I know, because copumpkin is still screwing his sister.

04:18:41 copumpkin: damn right

04:18:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23400 @ 0.00087998 = 20.5915 BTC [+]

04:18:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.10801828 = 1.1882 BTC [-] {4}

04:18:49 jcpham: he would've moved to stamp ages ago

04:18:49 [\]: incest is awesome

04:18:56 copumpkin: I only screw sisters

04:19:01 [\]: your own sisters.

04:19:07 jcpham: i never had a sister

04:19:16 [\]: jcpham: because copumpkin screwed her.

04:19:20 BingoBoingo: I though they had Pirate's dollars, because I remember his runaway fail halving value from two digit USD to one digit USD

04:19:29 [\]: then she became your mother, not your sister.

04:19:51 Mats_cd03: would you be my father

04:20:03 [\]: nah, she swallows now

04:20:13 Mats_cd03: do you swallow

04:20:16 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla "in triplicate"

04:20:35 mircea_popescu: [\\\] what mtgox does have is all that's left of bitcoinica coins

04:20:40 jcpham: copumpkin you FUCKED MY SISTER?!?!

04:20:42 mircea_popescu: which will be so lulzy if it isn't already

04:20:43 KRS1: .bait

04:20:44 jcpham: what abstard move

04:20:44 ozbot: http://25.media.tumblr.com/dc31b110863128d01be6823634e590de/tumblr_mwhz2zcJjX1rr5x73o1_1280.jpg

04:20:45 copumpkin: yeah

04:21:06 jcpham: mircea_popescu i'm thinking mtgox is scam

04:21:12 jcpham: i dunno though

04:21:17 mircea_popescu: best buy some debt

04:21:25 BingoBoingo: MtGox Scamming since 2010

04:21:31 KRS1: haha

04:21:44 jcpham: lolololol

04:21:46 [\]: guess its time to set up a new asset on glbse to sell gox debt

04:21:58 [\]: where's goat when you need him? he's good at that.

04:22:00 KRS1: lol \\\

04:22:02 jcpham: havelock requires credentials

04:22:06 jcpham: so it's out

04:22:15 BingoBoingo: When does MPEX list SYN.GOX

04:22:19 [\]: jcpham: keepass will make as many credentials that you need

04:22:21 nubbins`: what are credentials, anyway!

04:22:30 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all

04:22:35 gribble: MtGox BTCUSD last: 135.0, vol: 0.00000000 | Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 562.99, vol: 104844.03125090 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 552.861, vol: 64325.15053 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 564.25, vol: 82686.21481199 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 562.8768, vol: 24690.89200000 | Volume-weighted last average: 561.000604912

04:22:42 jcpham: [\\\] did you check out teespring

04:22:46 jcpham: for the shirt

04:22:49 [\]: nope

04:22:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 250 @ 0.0059 = 1.475 BTC [+]

04:22:57 [\]: I figured someone beat me to market

04:23:01 jcpham: same thing as the thing you were doing

04:23:11 jcpham: but you can crowd fund the hirt

04:23:14 jcpham: *shirt

04:23:24 [\]: do they accept bitcoins and allow me to make a large markup?

04:23:27 jcpham: so like it's paul graham YC thing

04:23:35 jcpham: sell it back ot them

04:23:37 nubbins`: i accept bitcoins and allow you to make a large markup

04:23:40 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo moar like ACK.GOX

04:23:45 jcpham: or nubbins`

04:23:58 BingoBoingo: Lol

04:24:08 [\]: how about got.gox

04:24:11 jcpham: nubbins` this shirt: http://www.customink.com/designs/goxyubikey/gjk0-000z-hs5a/twt

04:24:16 jcpham: no infringing logos

04:24:29 jcpham: how much shirt in btc

04:24:34 jcpham: *per shirt

04:24:35 BingoBoingo: Maybe someone can pull a Deprived SYN.GOX vs. ACK.GOX

04:24:37 nubbins`: heh

04:24:43 nubbins`: i like em

04:24:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 31 @ 0.0059 = 0.1829 BTC [+]

04:24:58 [\]: aww

04:24:59 jcpham: yeah let's do it

04:25:01 nubbins`: jcpham, depends on quantity

04:25:02 [\]: now the ideas been hatched

04:25:03 BingoBoingo: nubbins`: How much do you charge for bespoke t-shirts again?

04:25:06 jcpham: i'll fund it

04:25:12 nubbins`: BingoBoingo: depends on quantity ;D

04:25:12 jcpham: or some of it

04:25:46 BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Singles + unique art. Baseball season is coming up. I need a goal to gamble that purse up to.

04:26:16 nubbins`: a single shirt with a one-color print is around $75

04:26:22 nubbins`: with artwork provided by you

04:26:47 nubbins`: lots of setup time ;)

04:27:16 BingoBoingo: nubbins`: So If I also commisioned you to art it up on top of that how much could a t-shirt cost?

04:27:22 jcpham: we need to get like a simple site online asap for it

04:27:32 jcpham: i'm setting up a shopify site now for it

04:27:46 KRS1: <MagicaITux> guys dont worry gox is coming back buy more btc

04:27:51 jcpham: that takes to long

04:28:01 nubbins`: design is $45/h, so it depends what you're looking for

04:28:03 jcpham: single color. single color logo

04:28:17 jcpham: i can zinodaur to do something

04:28:31 jcpham: let's see if he's online

04:28:36 jcpham: what time is it in romania

04:29:02 [\]: http://fm.cnbc.com/applications/cnbc.com/resources/img/editorial/2014/02/25/101444036-474778471.530x298.jpg?v=1393339121

04:29:05 [\]: dude's a glasshole

04:29:24 BingoBoingo: nubbins`: A Bulldozer, fuelled by whiskey and regret. I'm not ordering until baseball makes the money, but I need a goal to bet to.

04:29:43 nubbins`: heh.

04:30:43 nubbins`: call it an even $150 and i'll print you extras out of the change

04:30:45 BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Ans what if we skip the T-shirt and print on fancy bedsheets for a toga instead?

04:30:49 nubbins`: HEH

04:31:18 BingoBoingo: I wonder if actual Tyrian purple is still a thing

04:31:21 nubbins`: i'd have to price the sheets, what sort of thread count does sir require?

04:32:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.0008788 = 4.394 BTC [-]

04:32:05 BingoBoingo: SInce we are pricing for the impending baseball seasons lets assume no threads, all Chamois

04:32:15 nubbins`: nice, good choice

04:32:31 BingoBoingo: Purple chamois, orange silkscreen

04:32:55 nubbins`: that'll be stylish

04:33:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 175 @ 0.0059 = 1.0325 BTC [+] {2}

04:33:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.10800014 = 0.432 BTC [-]

04:33:47 BingoBoingo: I'd go to all of the Toga partys in the Midwest and get all of the well entitted 19 year olds

04:34:01 KRS1: Mmm

04:34:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 65 @ 0.0059 = 0.3835 BTC [+]

04:34:12 KRS1: .bait

04:34:13 ozbot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/33dfe4d7ed36b2d14297562dfeb1ebb3/tumblr_mwv6yswT9D1s0yhsio1_1280.jpg

04:35:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.10800027 = 1.728 BTC [+] {4}

04:35:27 BingoBoingo: KRS1: Thinking a bit less european and quite a bit trashier

04:45:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13450 @ 0.00088478 = 11.9003 BTC [+] {3}

04:46:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 344 @ 0.00586511 = 2.0176 BTC [-] {2}

04:47:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 350 @ 0.0058487 = 2.047 BTC [-] {3}

04:47:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 147 @ 0.0055 = 0.8085 BTC

04:48:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 60 @ 0.00583695 = 0.3502 BTC [-] {2}

04:48:36 BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/DadBoner/status/438472711493275648

04:48:36 ozbot: Twitter / DadBoner: Kroger manager said, "Did you ...

04:49:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 56 @ 0.00577674 = 0.3235 BTC [-] {2}

04:49:22 asciilifeform: on activists, 'equality', etc. with english subs. - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTfw5jDK94Y&app=desktop

04:49:55 asciilifeform: (paging mircea_popescu!)

04:50:16 mircea_popescu: hehe writing an article right now, knee deep in the clouds and whatnot.

04:50:18 mircea_popescu: but inasec.

04:56:06 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-02-2014#531372 kako srsly, still with the motherfucking quotes ?!

04:56:09 ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log

04:57:38 cads: hey mircea_popescu, is there a simple terms explanation for what it means for a brownian process B(t) to be adapted relative to a filtration F_t? I understand that it means that for each t B(t) is F_t measurable, that is, B(t) is always fully measurable against the data F_t carries. In particular we do not require events available only to some future refinement F_s of the filtration.

04:59:09 cads: I'm wondering where does the filtration come from to begin with.

05:00:17 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Very informative.

05:00:48 cads: I think I could see that the family of stopping times of a given process might let us create a filtration that other processes could be adapted to.

05:01:10 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: not sure if 'informative' is the word, but educational, perhaps.

05:05:03 cads: Oh, all processes have natural filtrations.

05:05:16 BingoBoingo: Well, one thing I remember vividly from undergrad is that the nepali students were some of the chillest people on campus, but woe unto the football player who took a fancy to a Nepali girl and was then introduced to a cricket bat.

05:16:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 75 @ 0.0058 = 0.435 BTC [+]

05:16:59 asciilifeform: ;;rate MagicalTux -10 pathetic Judas Goat.

05:17:00 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of -10 for user MagicalTux has been recorded.

05:17:12 mircea_popescu: since i was digging records :

05:17:13 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-06-2013&bots=true#93021

05:17:15 ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log

05:17:20 mircea_popescu: "Effective immediately, we are discontinuing all business operations pending a business model review. At this time we are unsure when, and if we will resume operations in the future."

05:17:22 mircea_popescu: guess the venue.

05:18:09 BingoBoingo: Vircurex

05:18:31 BingoBoingo: Vircurex used AurumExchange for USD and EU deposits

05:20:04 mircea_popescu: was aurum but hey.

05:20:33 BingoBoingo: Well, AurumExchange was one of those liberty reserve outposts.

05:20:51 BingoBoingo: Bitpay was willing to pay into them so they at least had a bong

05:22:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1169 @ 0.00573669 = 6.7062 BTC [-] {8}

05:25:30 MisterE: any of you get burned on your shorts yesterday?

05:25:38 MisterE: KRS1: I'm looking at you :p

05:26:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 2500 @ 0.00084022 = 2.1006 BTC [-] {8}

05:27:23 asciilifeform: 'Effective immediately, we are discontinuing all breathing pending an atmospheric gas review. At this time we are unsure when, and if we will resume breathing in the future.'

05:27:31 asciilifeform: StercumExchange (tm)

05:27:52 MisterE: seems reasonable, it is a nuisance

05:27:59 MisterE: like bathing and food

05:28:43 BingoBoingo: .d

05:28:43 ozbot: 3.130 billion | Next Diff in 429 blocks | Estimated Change: 19.9917% in 2d 8h 50m 18s

05:28:53 BingoBoingo: Everything is a nuisance nao.

05:28:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 355 @ 0.00584348 = 2.0744 BTC [+] {3}

05:30:01 MisterE: BingoBoingo: what you up to?

05:30:37 BingoBoingo: MisterE: Enjoying sweet Gox death and hoping for Slashot victory

05:31:19 MisterE: heh I guess that makes 2 of us

05:31:26 MisterE: and update on the /. front?

05:31:38 BingoBoingo: MisterE: I have this package of patented dense -assets knowledge sitting on orage and waiting http://slashdot.org/submission/3366357/mtgox-collapse-should-come-as-no-suprise

05:46:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15700 @ 0.00087927 = 13.8045 BTC [-]

05:50:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2808 @ 0.0008788 = 2.4677 BTC [-]

05:51:04 mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/a-compendium-of-basic-points-about-bitcoin-for-the-benefit-of-various-confused-noobs/

05:51:05 ozbot: A compendium of basic points about Bitcoin for the benefit of various confused noobs. pe Trilema - U

05:51:10 mircea_popescu: if anyone sees anything missing...

05:51:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6292 @ 0.00087803 = 5.5246 BTC [-]

05:52:41 mircea_popescu: cads im not even sure.

05:52:46 mircea_popescu: perhaps brigher minds could advise.

05:53:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 128 @ 0.00088929 = 0.1138 BTC [+] {2}

05:54:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.005879 = 0.294 BTC [+]

05:54:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 200 @ 0.0008891 = 0.1778 BTC [-]

05:54:31 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Seems thorough.

05:56:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.132 BTC [+]

05:56:37 nubbins`: actually got eulora compiled! but forgot to install a ton of required crystalspace libraries... so didn't get much other than a white screen with "welcome to eulora 0.0.4"

05:56:40 nubbins`: but... progress

05:56:57 mircea_popescu: nubbins` wd!

05:57:02 mircea_popescu: i hear wiki too ?

05:57:19 BingoBoingo: The april 2013 trilema article on GOx is about to make slashdot frontpage.

05:57:33 mircea_popescu: cool

05:57:44 nubbins`: yeah mike_c is sorting out hosting, i've got a saucy domain name reg'd

05:58:00 BingoBoingo: I mean unless @magicaltux does the manual sorting

05:58:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 34 @ 0.0047 = 0.1598 BTC [+]

05:59:36 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform re your video : it made me think of this caragiale piece (playwright, 1800s) : http://www.ilcaragiale.eu/opere/momente_si_schite/intelectualii.html

05:59:46 mircea_popescu: " Sunt chelneri cari, dupa cat au prins pe apucate din dezbaterile si conferintele intelectualilor, pot face mart pe un profesor de universitate, mai ales daca l-or lua repede."

06:00:06 bitcoinpete: Howdy y'all

06:00:22 mircea_popescu: "there are waiters who, from all they've heard from conversations and debates of intellectuals, could put away a university professor, especially should they proceed quickly"

06:00:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6675 @ 0.00087803 = 5.8609 BTC [-]

06:00:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1673 @ 0.00018499 = 0.3095 BTC [+] {3}

06:00:43 mircea_popescu: mart specifically refers to the loss in backgammon when you lose without having taken out any of your own pieces.

06:00:45 mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete heya

06:01:37 BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/bobmcmillan/status/438521842358177793 happened

06:01:38 ozbot: Twitter / bobmcmillan: "Having Mt. Gox shut down is ...

06:01:40 bitcoinpete: Been a few, but I've been up on the logs

06:02:12 bitcoinpete: And I did that blog thing again

06:02:20 bitcoinpete: Perhaps also for noobs

06:02:23 BingoBoingo: Oh, link again?

06:02:25 bitcoinpete: http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/matters-of-merchant-adoption/

06:02:26 ozbot: Matters of Merchant Adoption | When Bitcoin Met Pete

06:03:31 bitcoinpete: Hardly revelatory, but it's a reassessment of sorts of my previous notion that one should ever try to make "bitcoin more accessible"

06:03:50 bitcoinpete: Which was a strange mental default I had to correct

06:03:50 BingoBoingo: It is an important step forward though

06:04:53 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this probably wasn't the purpose of 'compendium of basic points...,' but now i'm marvelling over the ancient forum garbage

06:05:10 asciilifeform: did some chump really build a whatever-the-fuck with a set of leaked sources?

06:05:32 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Can they build any other way?

06:05:53 asciilifeform: and if so, why weren't the obligatory logic bombs set off

06:06:12 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Not advantageous enough yet?

06:06:15 asciilifeform: (or, are we to think that scammers write honest code)

06:06:33 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes.

06:06:35 asciilifeform: and did all of this shit really go down, or was it a dream.

06:06:46 mircea_popescu: bitfinex (the thing which now is misreported as > 30% of the bitcoin average usd price)

06:06:56 mircea_popescu: is built out of taking the leaked bitcoinica sources and running them

06:07:10 mircea_popescu: they were (illegally) leaked by amir taaki, who in he process exposed sensitive passwords

06:07:16 mircea_popescu: which resulted in the 3rd theft from there

06:07:26 asciilifeform: lol!

06:07:27 mircea_popescu: and in no case was he authorised to "make open source" the codebase

06:07:31 BingoBoingo: The mysterious antiques dealer

06:07:41 mircea_popescu: which is currently the only asset some new zealand executor has to try and repay the creditors

06:07:50 mircea_popescu: to the tune of i forged, but 10's of k's of btc

06:07:59 mircea_popescu: (mtgox also had some funds held "in escrow" from that debacle,

06:08:10 mircea_popescu: which it had been consistently refused to turn out to said executor)

06:08:15 mircea_popescu: for the obvious reasons.

06:08:38 BingoBoingo: At least New Zealand tries to earn the money back http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlcIKh6sBtc

06:09:15 asciilifeform: perhaps these folks belong in a large glass jar. where they are to feed upon one another, and the last one remaining to be extracted and will perhaps be good for something.

06:10:04 BingoBoingo: I dunno that I'd have made it out of a decent glass jar. I mean I initially came here from Bitcointalk

06:10:27 asciilifeform: not everyone into the jar. just them.

06:10:29 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the reason i always encourage people to read the history is quite this : endlessly fascinatingly amusing thing.

06:10:53 mircea_popescu: like a perpetual morning after. "did what ?!"

06:11:02 bitcoinpete: going to bubble tea, yup, bubble tea… be back

06:11:27 benkay: bubble tea

06:11:31 benkay: balls in your mouth

06:11:36 benkay: never figured that tone out

06:12:19 BingoBoingo: So many mistakes I could have made, but so much more money I could have had even losing to those mistakes

06:12:26 nubbins`: remember "orbits"?

06:12:35 BingoBoingo: The problem is a need for time machines

06:12:41 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: fascinating, to a point. children playing with detcord.

06:12:41 mircea_popescu: lmao

06:13:46 BingoBoingo: Detcord isn't that bad

06:14:12 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform precisely.

06:14:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00087922 = 8.6164 BTC [+]

06:15:04 asciilifeform: was the cribbed source even interesting in some way?

06:15:21 asciilifeform: or just the usual 'work is too much like work, let's crib it all'

06:16:04 nubbins`: "hey, why reinvent the wheel?"

06:16:59 asciilifeform: (this tale has me in an especially dour mood, given that not long ago i sent a once-promising client packing because he brought in a mountain of artlessly cribbed open source code.)

06:19:40 BingoBoingo: I am the wheel, you seriously don't want to deal with me. You need to reinvent me.

06:19:52 mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/a-compendium-of-basic-points-about-bitcoin-for-the-benefit-of-various-confused-noobs/#footnote_0_52959 << added that which i regret i forgot on the first pass

06:19:53 ozbot: A compendium of basic points about Bitcoin for the benefit of various confused noobs. pe Trilema - U

06:19:55 mircea_popescu: i am sloppy ;/.

06:20:06 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the cribbed source was interesting, yes, in the way of humor.

06:20:23 MisterE: what is cribbed in American?

06:20:24 mircea_popescu: have you read the leaked discussions about the historical operation of bitcoinica ?

06:20:31 asciilifeform: nope

06:20:33 mircea_popescu: it;s linked from the recent mtgox article, because it's the same pattern

06:20:36 mircea_popescu: self trading at a loss.

06:21:03 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: self trading at a loss << arse-mouth system.

06:21:14 asciilifeform: thermodynamically doomed

06:21:17 BingoBoingo: But Bitcoinica had relic hunterz!!!!

06:21:19 mircea_popescu: myeah.

06:21:36 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo ironically... relics ? scavenger world ? thermodynamically doomed ?

06:22:03 mircea_popescu: this, incidentally, is the core and the whole of nsa's value proposition : people sign, subtly, but definitely, what they do.

06:22:10 nubbins`: MisterE: baseball

06:22:19 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: indeed

06:22:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13400 @ 0.00088029 = 11.7959 BTC [+] {2}

06:23:00 mircea_popescu: course in a sense nsa as it is stands in a relation to nsa-as-thus-described about roughly as that merry bunch of Meriwether's thieves stood with THEIR sensible value proposition

06:23:02 BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Any sporting analogy is best as a baseball analogy, the greatest precision is there. Even if the metric is love of the cunts

06:23:20 mircea_popescu: as explained in http://trilema.com/2012/the-problem-of-too-much-money/ : "LTCM collected over one billion dollars in capital. If you?ve been following up to here you probably have a question in your mind : what in the world were they going to do with a billion of their own money ? Good question. The fund had access to heavy leverage, as high as 100:1 in many cases. One billion leveraged 100:1 means one hundred billio

06:23:20 mircea_popescu: n, and turn it any way you please there?s not going to be room for deplyoing a hundred billion in capital for the purpose of arbitraging minute differences between the 29 y T and the current T. There just can?t be.

06:23:20 mircea_popescu: So they started dicking around with stock options, betting on mergers, the works. "

06:23:32 mircea_popescu: basically, they had a good idea, got too much resources, fucked up.

06:23:40 asciilifeform: channelling herr naggum: 'It is like going to a library full of books that took 50 man-years to produce each, inventing a way to cut down the costs to a few man-months per book by copying and randomly improving on other books, and then wondering why nobody thinks your library full of these cheaper books is an inspiration to future authors.'

06:24:10 BingoBoingo: This is wy I bet on sporting events, I know I can lose.

06:25:59 BingoBoingo: puppies.txt

06:26:17 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell bitcoinpete you should get into the wot and remind me to put you in the bloglist sometime.

06:26:18 gribble: The operation succeeded.

06:26:48 BingoBoingo: ;;later tell chatquack I put you in the WOT start blogging already

06:26:48 gribble: The operation succeeded.

06:27:00 nubbins`: crystal space is a massive build

06:27:58 chetty: yeah CS is huge

06:28:12 mircea_popescu: it's been working out.

06:28:25 BingoBoingo: nubbins`: I am starting this baseball betting venture with one hundredth of a bitcoin. Remember that I can not help it if appreciation makes the logistics you dislike a reality.

06:28:48 Jere_Jones: I found building CS to be the easy part.

06:28:55 nubbins`: BingoBoingo, i'm pretty zen about most things

06:28:59 mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/281/btc-usd-at-mtgox-will-be-above-150-on/

06:29:00 ozbot: BitBet - BTC/USD at MtGox will be above $150 on Mar 1st 2014

06:29:01 mircea_popescu: so that's a lock now.

06:29:03 nubbins`: Jere_Jones: easy, just takes so long

06:29:08 BingoBoingo: I wonder if Zhou tong ever itches?

06:29:19 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: And the weighting is the best part

06:29:29 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo well it's closed by now anyway

06:29:43 BingoBoingo: The right answer is obvious, but betting agaisnt it can't pay

06:29:47 nubbins`: thank fuck for macports, i wouldn't have gotten anywhere with apple's fork of LLVM

06:30:49 mircea_popescu: nubbins` you ever found the problem or just nonspecific kludge ?

06:31:30 nubbins`: never nailed it down, was easier to just install gcc-4.6 and use that

06:31:45 nubbins`: no sense trying to bring a totally different toolchain into the mix

06:31:46 mircea_popescu: not surprising.

06:32:35 mircea_popescu: http://www.voxeu.org/article/german-court-decision-legal-authority-and-deep-power-implications

06:32:36 ozbot: German Court decision: Legal authority and deep power implications | vox

06:32:42 mircea_popescu: germanz just ruled ecb may not act as lender of last resort.

06:35:44 mircea_popescu: "It?s tempting to dismiss the decision as incomprehensible legalese or the inability of justices to understand that contemporary financial systems rely on a powerful lender or dealer of last resort to weather financial crises."

06:35:45 mircea_popescu: derp.

06:35:55 mircea_popescu: " this is a bid for power and the return to the pre-crisis paradigm of "

06:35:56 mircea_popescu: derp.

06:36:19 mircea_popescu: basically the consensus of idiots in fiat is that somehow magically the laws of nature have been cancelled for the sake of convenience.

06:42:12 BingoBoingo: GO GO GADGET BITCOINSACHS

06:42:27 chetty: idiots think man can overrule nature with their 'laws'

06:42:33 KRS1: go go bait

06:42:34 KRS1: .bait

06:42:35 ozbot: http://25.media.tumblr.com/1dbdf72d9ae5a578dbcf945e2bc4cd94/tumblr_mg2axxCOYL1r3bnmvo1_1280.jpg

06:42:54 BingoBoingo: Depends on which laws and the context

06:43:55 BingoBoingo: On that last .bait I see tits, but there is also a screaming cyst that needs lanced and dranied

06:44:36 mircea_popescu: "Founder @dailymuse, YC alum, Inc 15 Women to Watch in Tech 2012, Advisor @hackbright, Productivity expert, Parisian, Former McKinsey, avid cyclist"

06:44:37 mircea_popescu: i wonder what the thought process is when some chick ends up putting on her 2 line resume "i was a X to watch in 2102"

06:44:37 mircea_popescu: doesn't the observation that "soo... if i had been watching you since 2012 i'd have seen nothing ?" come to them at all ?

06:44:41 mircea_popescu: are these people actually dumb ?

06:44:47 mircea_popescu: but i mean if you have two alcoholic bums sitting on a garbage dumpster somewhere

06:44:47 mircea_popescu: one who is nothing

06:44:47 mircea_popescu: and the other who is an alumni of "15 aluminum salesmen to watch in 2012"

06:44:53 mircea_popescu: wouldn't you say the 2nd is much worse a failure ?

06:45:30 nubbins`: heh

06:45:35 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo where's the cyst ?

06:45:49 nubbins`: armpit? i think that's not a cyst

06:45:53 mircea_popescu: that's fat imo

06:45:57 BingoBoingo: Left armpit, the purple prominence

06:45:59 nubbins`: certainly not screaming

06:46:04 mircea_popescu: she's losing weight

06:46:16 mircea_popescu: its colored cause shaved irritation

06:46:33 nubbins`: i had a massive cyst on my back once

06:46:35 MisterE: mircea_popescu: ime most people are dumb until proven otherwise

06:46:50 MisterE: happens nubbins` thats not a bad lace

06:46:53 MisterE: place

06:46:55 nubbins`: when it finally got drained there was like a shot glass full of stuff pulled out of it

06:46:56 BingoBoingo: Maybe irritation, but definitely inflamed more than the prominence of the humerous calls for

06:46:59 MisterE: try in your groin or neck

06:47:19 MisterE: BingoBoingo: what's up I was a paramedic for 3-years

06:47:27 MisterE: in the US

06:47:42 mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/CharlieShrem/status/438539797205118976 << BingoBoingo check it out

06:47:43 ozbot: Twitter / CharlieShrem: Just created a #dogecoin wallet ...

06:47:53 mircea_popescu: lots and lots of further opportunities for maturity

06:48:10 MisterE: nubbins`: that's nothing, when I had to do my prctical training hours I helped to drain a lot of cysts and some produce by the liter

06:48:10 BingoBoingo: I dun want to fight credentials, but it look's like there are already two candidate sinuses

06:48:20 nubbins`: gross

06:48:24 nubbins`: such a smell, too

06:48:29 nubbins`: that shit attracts ticks

06:48:30 MisterE: it was indeed

06:48:42 MisterE: man you have no idea the smells of the human body

06:49:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38900 @ 0.00087874 = 34.183 BTC [-] {4}

06:49:37 MisterE: one of the worst run was a girl who accidentally blew half her boyfriend's head off with a .44 at a shooting range, was totally prepared for smell

06:49:42 MisterE: those 44s have a very soft pul

06:49:45 MisterE: l

06:49:45 nubbins`: speaking of smells of the human body, one of my roommates took a shit this morning and left a streak on the toilet seat

06:49:53 MisterE: bastard

06:49:56 nubbins`: i know

06:50:00 BingoBoingo: 44's always have a soft pull

06:50:01 nubbins`: told him about it

06:50:02 MisterE: you should leave a streak on his pillow

06:50:12 nubbins`: he says "i don't think so... but i'll clean it when i get home from work"

06:50:21 MisterE: ok thats reasonable

06:50:21 nubbins`: as if we'd just leave it there for 10 hours

06:50:29 mircea_popescu: nubbins` how many roomates you got ?!

06:50:31 MisterE: he doesn't sound like a total jerk

06:50:35 nubbins`: mircea_popescu, wife and 2 others

06:50:41 mircea_popescu: wow

06:50:45 nubbins`: they're rarely home. haven't seen one of them in 3 weeks

06:50:47 MisterE: lol I like how he incudes the wife

06:51:00 mircea_popescu: nubbins` so you live with silk road funder ?

06:51:02 MisterE: as if shecould be out for not paying rent :D

06:51:47 nubbins`: mircea_popescu: silk road 3.11 for workgroups

06:51:55 nubbins`: i think that's what it's at now?

06:52:01 mircea_popescu: something like that ya

06:52:06 nubbins`: MisterE: hey, she owns all the bitcoins

06:52:52 nubbins`: i might be the one out when they hit 5k ;D

06:53:07 MisterE: hehe

06:53:17 MisterE: trade up!

06:53:58 BingoBoingo: I honestly want to take bets on what would culture out of that cyst

06:54:14 nubbins`: we'll never know

06:54:48 MisterE: what a loss to science and society

06:54:55 MisterE: shame

06:55:36 BingoBoingo: I'd put some money on pseumonanas

06:56:34 mircea_popescu: pseudomonas ?

06:57:37 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It is a long shot, but it fits the armpit environment well as a genus

06:58:03 mircea_popescu: speaking of which : pseudomonas putida is the first living thing that was "patented" according to the us courts.

06:58:10 mircea_popescu: lulziest shit ever.

06:58:20 MisterE: Stupid Harvard MBA is stupid

06:58:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6100 @ 0.00087993 = 5.3676 BTC [+]

06:58:30 MisterE: sorry w/c

06:59:00 benkay: may the patenteers all find themselves impaled on golden spikes

06:59:13 BingoBoingo: I was kind of hoping someone would catch that

06:59:23 mircea_popescu: this thing is valuable because it can break down pretty much anything

06:59:38 mircea_popescu: it can live off caffeine. it can break down polystyrene

06:59:55 BingoBoingo: Much scarier than VRE for sure

07:00:07 mircea_popescu: generaly pseudomonas sp is a good bet for BingoBoingo's purposes cause they're pretty metabolically diverse.

07:00:52 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: indeed any culture platter they can own enough to make their genetic markers known.

07:02:13 nubbins`: mircea_popescu: i'm to see you for a login account?

07:07:05 nubbins`: http://imgur.com/bGBRONP

07:07:05 ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer

07:07:08 nubbins`: ^ it worked :D

07:07:29 bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu will do, ty

07:08:09 nubbins`: it picks up mouse clicks but not keyboard input -- but it's very late and i think i've earned a nap, will poke some more tomorrow

07:08:23 BingoBoingo: pseudomonas does indeed lead to some nasty opportunistic infections though

07:09:09 BingoBoingo: Of the sort where painting on Staph Aureus and hoping for the best seems like a sheat from heaven.

07:12:23 bitcoinpete: Do any of the -asseters live in Brussels or London by chance? I'm heading to Brussels tomorrow and London by the weekend. Have some free time

07:13:16 BingoBoingo: So... Maybe I should have tried for sunday night again on this. Slash mods are swfully flaky. http://slashdot.org/submission/3366357/mtgox-collapse-should-come-as-no-suprise

07:13:31 bitcoinpete: ;;ident [<bitcoinpete>]

07:13:31 gribble: Error: "<bitcoinpete>" is not a valid command.

07:13:50 bitcoinpete: ;;ident bitcoinpete

07:13:51 gribble: Nick 'bitcoinpete', with hostmask 'bitcoinpete!~bitcoinpe@S01060016cbc6cced.ed.shawcable.net', is not identified.

07:15:30 bitcoinpete: for php registration is the "pgp long id" the fingerprint, key id, or something else…?

07:15:45 bitcoinpete: pgp* goodness

07:16:30 Duffer1: ;;eauth / ;;everify

07:16:53 Duffer1: is that what you're asking?

07:18:17 bitcoinpete: ya

07:18:30 BingoBoingo: ;;puppies.txt

07:18:31 gribble: Error: "puppies.txt" is not a valid command.

07:18:45 bitcoinpete: ;;register too

07:18:45 gribble: (register <nick> <keyid>) -- Register your GPG identity, associating GPG key <keyid> with <nick>. <keyid> is a 16 digit key id, with or without the '0x' prefix. We look on servers listed in 'plugins.GPG.keyservers' config. You will be given a random passphrase to clearsign with your key, and submit to the bot with the 'verify' command. Your passphrase will expire in 10 minutes.

07:18:57 bitcoinpete: oh

07:19:35 bitcoinpete: ;;register bitcoinpete165749929F9A6BDD

07:19:35 gribble: (register <nick> <keyid>) -- Register your GPG identity, associating GPG key <keyid> with <nick>. <keyid> is a 16 digit key id, with or without the '0x' prefix. We look on servers listed in 'plugins.GPG.keyservers' config. You will be given a random passphrase to clearsign with your key, and submit to the bot with the 'verify' command. Your passphrase will expire in 10 minutes.

07:19:58 bitcoinpete: ;;register bitcoinpete 165749929F9A6BDD

07:20:01 gribble: Request successful for user bitcoinpete, hostmask bitcoinpete!~bitcoinpe@S01060016cbc6cced.ed.shawcable.net. Your challenge string is: freenode:#bitcoin-otc:18734ee36446b6cc0398dc32a80c3bb1d3217aad8b2666f6ab017248

07:20:20 BingoBoingo: So.. Guess wht I found out this weekend.

07:21:00 Duffer1: what did you find out this weekend BingoBoingo?

07:21:55 BingoBoingo: Duffer1: During one of my grad school stints I lived in the super mega ghetto http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/local/columbia-firefighter-dies-working-at-scene-of-walkway-collapse/article_fc7f1992-9bca-11e3-9d9e-0017a43b2370.html

07:23:04 BingoBoingo: I knew my apartment was shitty, but not like kill experts in shitty apartments kind of shitty

07:23:11 Duffer1: ya wow

07:24:24 BingoBoingo: Kind of makes me regret not taking the plaster off of the walls

07:25:00 BingoBoingo: Also, I used to like to park in those spots

07:26:03 Duffer1: reading about Counterparty atm

07:26:30 BingoBoingo: Cool, better not be that shitty faux coin version

07:28:46 Duffer1: the caliber of the assets assimilated blogs is impressive

07:29:51 Duffer1: it would be nice to see it mentioned in #bitcoin-assets Topic

07:31:57 BingoBoingo: assass is decent blog

07:33:37 bit14: what's going on with havelock

07:33:48 dexX7: assass?

07:34:30 Duffer1: http://assass.headfucking.net/

07:34:31 ozbot: Assets Assimilated

07:34:50 BingoBoingo: bit14: No idea Maybe they are dying too?

07:35:46 BingoBoingo: I await my ban on bitcointalk https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=431195.msg5379874#msg5379874

07:36:50 dexX7: ty

07:37:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22536 @ 0.00087782 = 19.7826 BTC [-] {2}

07:38:33 bitcoinpete: ;;eregister bitcoinpete 165749929F9A6BDD

07:38:35 gribble: Request successful for user bitcoinpete, hostmask bitcoinpete!~bitcoinpe@S01060016cbc6cced.ed.shawcable.net. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/165749929F9A6BDD

07:39:06 mircea_popescu: 5th a cxharm huh

07:40:01 mircea_popescu: yeah assass in topic can't hurt anything.

07:42:35 bitcoinpete: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:97d9f908fe5dc08ba4be74efe1b4430c5e68d071e34fbed3e1771a9d

07:42:36 gribble: Registration successful. You are now authenticated for user bitcoinpete with key 165749929F9A6BDD

07:44:02 BingoBoingo: I still reload slashdot compulsively for the money

07:46:03 mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/people-have-made-blogs/#comment-98222

07:46:03 ozbot: People have made blogs pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

07:47:57 BingoBoingo: I still have trouble believing I lived in the shithole next to this http://www.kshb.com/news/state/missouri/mizzou-investigating-cause-of-roof-walkway-collapse-at-apartment-building

07:48:25 mircea_popescu: the sex any good at least ?

07:48:55 BingoBoingo: The sex was great

07:49:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15400 @ 0.00087911 = 13.5383 BTC [+] {3}

07:49:30 BingoBoingo: i TA's for pharmacy school so undergrads were in bounds, other grad students were inbounds.

07:49:44 BingoBoingo: Just couldn't do the pharm students.

07:50:00 mircea_popescu: well that's why people live in shitholes.

07:50:03 mircea_popescu: the sex is great.

07:50:12 BingoBoingo: Which is kind of a shame cause this Jessie chick had great tits

07:50:49 BingoBoingo: OH, it was such a shithole, but not being from missouti made the sex so easy

07:53:10 mircea_popescu: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8w0x8uPW11ru15g3o1_1280.jpg

07:54:04 bitcoinpete: ;;gettrust bitcoinpete

07:54:05 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask bitcoinpete!~bitcoinpe@S01060016cbc6cced.ed.shawcable.net. Trust relationship from user bitcoinpete to user bitcoinpete: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=bitcoinpete&dest=bitcoinpete | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=bitcoinpete | Rated since: never

07:54:46 mircea_popescu: wd.

07:54:57 BingoBoingo: If that were a pharm student not quite one I'd get fired over, but still one I'd offer salt to to melt their ice

07:55:07 mircea_popescu: bit14 what do you mean ?

07:55:41 bitcoinpete: ty. only took 30 min lol

07:56:36 bit14: mircea_popescu: doar ca e picat https://www.havelockinvestments.com/ :)

07:58:23 BingoBoingo: bit14: Gospidine?

07:58:46 bit14: ->just that it's down

08:00:29 mircea_popescu: http://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/2014/02/25/mt-gox-ceo-says-on-internet-chat-hasnt-given-up/

08:00:35 mircea_popescu: you know, just like every scammer to date.

08:00:45 mircea_popescu: bit14 lol se mai intimpla gen

08:00:49 bit14: have you seen the log

08:00:50 bit14: http://www.wickedfire.com/shooting-shit/179038-my-conversation-mark-karpeles-mtgox-2.html#post2164682

08:00:51 ozbot: My Conversation with Mark Karpeles of MtGox - Page 2 - WickedFire - Affiliate Marketing Forum - Int

08:01:26 mircea_popescu: soo nubs got eulora to compile on a mac.

08:03:00 bitcoinpete: off to brussels in the morning. cheers for now

08:09:37 mircea_popescu: i thought moiety was in london

08:12:56 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I thought moiety was in Glasgow

08:22:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21100 @ 0.00088123 = 18.594 BTC [+] {3}

08:39:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28200 @ 0.00087825 = 24.7667 BTC [-] {2}

08:45:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00087764 = 8.2498 BTC [-]

08:47:35 BingoBoingo: Slashdot still seems to possess doubts, WHy? I dunno http://slashdot.org/submission/3366357/mtgox-collapse-should-come-as-no-suprise

08:50:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2800 @ 0.0008852 = 2.4786 BTC [+]

09:03:05 BingoBoingo: Imma sleep soon

09:03:25 BingoBoingo: Slashdot has denied me for hours, but they cannot do so indefinitely

09:05:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00088277 = 4.0607 BTC [-]

09:16:33 bit14: havelock has been down for over 6 hours now, does this happen often?

09:17:10 bit14: I assume they didn't run and it's early AM in canada, but still

09:26:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14500 @ 0.00088406 = 12.8189 BTC [+]

09:33:16 cazalla: shrem seems to think that leaked document is legit

09:37:16 Duffer1: didn't shrem also think that gox was fundamentally sound and not insolvent?

09:40:10 cazalla: i think that was prior to that document leaking, latest episode of lets talk bitcoin has shrem on it, interesting listen

09:56:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10500 @ 0.00088277 = 9.2691 BTC [-]

10:03:24 Namworld: Havelock isn't in Canada

10:03:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2200 @ 0.00088356 = 1.9438 BTC [+]

10:04:26 bit14: where is it?

10:05:07 wao-ender: lol

10:05:12 wao-ender: that havellock database

10:05:12 wao-ender: "Database seems down. Sorry about that. We've been notified about the problem. Please try again later.

10:05:21 wao-ender: bit14: Panama afaik

10:06:40 ArsKisS: hmm

10:10:52 bit14: they're called the Panama fund I think, but I thought they were canadian

10:11:45 bit14: I might be wrong

10:12:32 Duffer1: they were based in canada during the acquisition, no idea if the principles/office/servers have moved though

10:12:32 bit14: https://web.archive.org/web/20140214223804/https://www.havelockinvestments.com/contact.php

10:12:41 bit14: Address:

10:12:41 bit14: The Panama Fund, S.A

10:12:41 bit14: Panama City

10:12:41 bit14: Republic of Panama

10:13:01 bit14: company could be registered there, but staff might be elsewhere

10:14:09 Duffer1: odd timing for server issues, i wonder if they held reserves at gox

10:14:44 bit14: it's 5am in panama, so maybe they're just asleep, crossing fingers

10:16:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6724 @ 0.00088327 = 5.9391 BTC [-] {2}

10:31:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6152 @ 0.00088186 = 5.4252 BTC [-]

10:55:26 Namworld: The old owner, Topace, was Canadian I think. Now it moved. Where the staff is located, I do not know.

11:02:18 bit14: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=859

11:02:20 ozbot: View the profile of lightbox

11:03:19 bit14: looks like this guy was/is the owner

11:09:23 Namworld: yeah, he was. Known as Topace in IRC

11:11:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10776 @ 0.00088192 = 9.5036 BTC [+]

11:33:20 Mats_cd03: http://www.news.com.au/world/tin-cans-filled-with-10-million-in-gold-coins-found-buried-in-california/story-fndir2ev-1226837801851

11:33:20 ozbot: Tin cans filled with $10 million in gold coins found buried in California |

11:50:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11726 @ 0.0008852 = 10.3799 BTC [+]

12:22:57 jurov: http://boingboing.net/2014/02/25/choosing-a-secure-password.html schneier misses xkcd's point entirely

12:22:58 ozbot: Choosing a Secure Password - Boing Boing

12:23:17 jurov: if i had doubts he's nsa shill, now i have none

12:28:29 davout: "A typical password consists of a root plus an appendage." <<< bwhahaha

12:30:20 davout: "http://boingboing.net/2014/02/25/choosing-a-secure-password.html schneier misses xkcd's point entirely" <<< yep, someone should teach him about entropy

12:51:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10600 @ 0.0008835 = 9.3651 BTC [-]

12:56:03 ThickAsThieves: omg boingboing.net hurts my eyes, it also doesn't show any text on my android tablet

12:56:22 ThickAsThieves: (the yellow text black bg page)

12:59:35 Namworld: I have a mix of letters, numbers and special chars. Strangely enough, I don't seem to have a problem remembering most of them.

13:00:33 dexX7: i don't know my passwords and trust keepass

13:04:17 ThickAsThieves: i dont share hints to my password methods

13:06:23 Namworld: Saying your password is a random mix of characters doesn't help much. So it's not really a hint.

13:07:01 Namworld: You remove non-random stuff. You have less than 0.1% of possibilities eliminated. Congratulations. Still requires bruteforcing it.

13:13:20 ThickAsThieves: https://www.mtgox.com/

13:13:20 ozbot: MtGox.com loading

13:13:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8100 @ 0.00088467 = 7.1658 BTC [+] {2}

13:30:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00088514 = 5.9304 BTC [+]

13:33:35 MisterE: wtf LTC went over 40 today?

13:33:52 MisterE: http://bitcoinwisdom.com/markets/btce/ltcusd

13:35:47 dexX7: huh?

13:36:02 dexX7: ah

13:36:08 dexX7: nvm

13:36:09 Namworld: So many people think MtGox is Bitcoin.

13:36:29 dexX7: https://blockchain.info/tx/e6d4cfbbc45b5e3cfcfa36613b04a8732c7b4606f5dbbd8af3ba06d8f3899fc2

13:36:31 ozbot: Bitcoin Transaction e6d4cfbbc45b5e3cfcfa36613b04a8732c7b4606f5dbbd8af3ba06d8f3899fc2

13:36:53 Duffer1: just imagine if blockchain.info goes down

13:37:02 Duffer1: the blockchain is down!1234

13:37:22 dexX7: luckily there is www.blockr.io now

13:37:36 Duffer1: ya saw that earlier

13:37:45 Duffer1: nice lookin site

13:40:44 adrrrr: dexX7: what are these vanity adress, I thought we can choose only few characters

13:44:18 dexX7: you don't need the privkey, simply send it to whateveraddress+checksum

13:47:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44900 @ 0.00088224 = 39.6126 BTC [-] {4}

13:47:43 jurov: so, i used my idignation as fuel: http://explo.yt/post/2014/02/26/Bruce-Schneier-passwords-fail

13:49:37 adrrrr: dexX7: so it will create the public key?

13:50:26 dexX7: what "it"?

13:51:40 dexX7: try to think of making a phonecall to a number that is not in use.. will work, right? even if you dial funny numbers?

13:58:27 adrrrr: "it" is the transaction

13:58:39 adrrrr: a phone number that is not in use will not even ring

13:58:44 adrrrr: right?

14:09:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15550 @ 0.00088331 = 13.7355 BTC [+]

14:12:47 bit14: looks like havelock is finally back up

14:18:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22550 @ 0.00088502 = 19.9572 BTC [+] {5}

14:20:29 nubbins`: HI

14:22:37 deadweasel: "Pretty much anything that can be remembered can be cracked." From Schneier piece.

14:23:31 adrrrr: yeah 24h we heard things about password ! thx

14:23:47 deadweasel: wtf are you on about, adrrrr ?

14:27:07 adrrrr: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mWkY5yIAnc&feature=youtu.be

14:27:08 ozbot: MtGox Saga Continues - Update 25 Feb 2014 - YouTube

14:27:16 adrrrr: voila !

14:27:17 adrrrr: ;)

14:28:31 deadweasel: yeah 24h we heard things about mtgox ! thx

14:29:14 adrrrr: lol

14:29:28 adrrrr: deadweasel: Duuuhhh

14:30:10 adrrrr: you should watch it instead of mocking ;)

14:30:20 deadweasel: i don't even know what I just, I was just mirroring you.

14:30:29 deadweasel: missing word: said*

14:30:44 *: deadweasel mocks first, watches later

14:32:02 mircea_popescu: http://i.imgur.com/PHgbXXc.gif

14:32:07 Bugpowder: SFW?

14:32:17 mircea_popescu: ya

14:32:24 mircea_popescu: powered off kitten

14:32:28 Bugpowder: lol

14:32:30 Bugpowder: pretty SFW

14:32:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26098 @ 0.00088294 = 23.043 BTC [-] {2}

14:33:12 mircea_popescu: since when do you work anyway

14:33:20 Bugpowder: All the fucking time

14:34:53 mircea_popescu: well no i don't mean work in the sense of doing something useful

14:35:12 mircea_popescu: i mean work in the sense of being in a constrained space with a bunch of idiots where you gotta watch what's on your screen

14:35:20 mircea_popescu: ie, the exactly opposite of doing something useful.

14:36:48 chetty: http://dailycaller.com/2014/02/25/first-contagious-wifi-computer-virus-goes-airborne-spreads-like-the-common-cold/

14:36:49 ozbot: First contagious WiFi computer virus goes airborne | The Daily Caller

14:37:09 mircea_popescu: uh why'd a virus be specifically wifi

14:37:39 Bugpowder: I thought there was that virus that spreads via the speaker (or was that BS).

14:38:13 cazalla: the one that could jump airgapped systems?

14:38:16 cazalla: that was bs

14:38:29 mircea_popescu: Bugpowder that was bs.

14:38:33 mircea_popescu: darn beat to it

14:39:24 Bugpowder: It made no cents.

14:41:01 Bugpowder: I am really impressed with the level of optimism people are expressing towards Gox reopening. IMPRESSED. I hear there are 3 suitors vying for the right to purchase Mt. Gox's brand and 650,000 BTC debt.

14:41:19 mircea_popescu: yaya

14:41:51 mircea_popescu: take it as a measure of just how badly hurt the foundation scamnest is by this defeat in the field

14:41:57 mircea_popescu: rather than any direct statement of the future.

14:42:02 Bugpowder: HOPE

14:42:12 mircea_popescu: no, it's not hope, it's disbelief.

14:42:20 mircea_popescu: they rheally thought they're somebody worth something.

14:42:23 Bugpowder: Someone needs to shop a Karp / HOPE poster

14:42:24 mircea_popescu: and i guess still do.

14:42:56 mircea_popescu: more apt would be a vessenes hope poster really.

14:43:22 mircea_popescu: hopefully his head is next. now that's hope.

14:43:36 cazalla: you know why i hate vessenes

14:43:41 mircea_popescu: i didn't know you did.

14:43:49 cazalla: well i do but for different reasons that you

14:44:13 Bugpowder: CoinLab was more mismanaged than Gox, they just died earlier so they couldn't cause as big a monetary fuckup.

14:44:40 cazalla: on a panel, he ruined it because he had the microphone practically in his mouth and you couldn't hear the other panelists due to his heavy breathing

14:44:57 mircea_popescu: i don't actually hate the guy, i just dislike him because he's very inept strategically and we kinda need to purge the stupid.

14:45:21 nubbins`: vessenes "NOPE" poster

14:45:53 nubbins`: the kitten got turned off ;(

14:45:57 mircea_popescu: or maybe it's time for a HERP poster

14:46:10 nubbins`: heh

14:46:12 nubbins`: i like that

14:46:25 mircea_popescu: can i has link to your clown thing again ?

14:46:33 mircea_popescu: ima order the MP css dept make me one.

14:46:36 nubbins`: ah, refresh my memory

14:46:43 cazalla: anyone that abset minded on microphone etiquette sends me into a rage

14:46:46 cazalla: absent

14:46:46 mircea_popescu: didn't you do a vessenes clown thing ?

14:46:55 nubbins`: oh, right, i think that was tat

14:47:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21650 @ 0.00088085 = 19.0704 BTC [-] {3}

14:47:18 mircea_popescu: cazalla this is kind of sad, incidentally, because it's roughly like a stripper with bad genital hygiene

14:47:18 nubbins`: 2, maybe 3 days ago?

14:47:35 cazalla: sad for me or him

14:47:37 mircea_popescu: all the guy ever does is derp about in the conference freakshow, you'd expect he has at least the basics of that profession down pat.

14:47:40 mircea_popescu: cazalla for him.

14:48:08 mircea_popescu: imagine a truck driver that can't drive double clutch.

14:48:08 cazalla: i sent him an email but he didn't respond

14:48:11 nubbins`: i had a professor once who could only speak in a whisper and so brought a mic to class and amplified it so heavily you could hear him swallow his spit

14:48:15 mircea_popescu: sort-of like a vessenes that can't handle a mic

14:48:22 nubbins`: he would freeze if anyone made a sound (like opening a bookbag, etc)

14:48:38 nubbins`: mid-syllable sometimes

14:49:09 mircea_popescu: at the one uni where i sort-of flirted with academia, this was banned on campus.

14:49:20 mircea_popescu: the rector guy was like "if you can't speak you can't be a university professor."

14:49:24 nubbins`: heh

14:49:33 nubbins`: it's true

14:49:37 mircea_popescu: i know it is.

14:49:53 mircea_popescu: i always respected that guy. occasionally obnoxious but he had what you'd need from a rector : fucking rectitude.

14:50:09 nubbins`: one day (this was a logic course), the poor guy (ancient chinese man) was dreaming up an example for some logical fallacy

14:50:18 nubbins`: "statement one: all cats have four legs"

14:50:25 nubbins`: "statement two: some cats dig my music"

14:50:31 nubbins`: i had to leave the room D;

14:50:35 mircea_popescu: ergo, women walk on their tits.

14:51:32 mircea_popescu: nubbins` btw, you know the "great generals" machine learning fiasco ?

14:51:48 nubbins`: doesn't ring a bell

14:52:07 mircea_popescu: this is probably apocriphal as such, but it is reflective of various actual events. normally it's retold as

14:52:32 mircea_popescu: "at mit, they made this self-learning machine which would try to make deductions sylogistically on a dictionary of natural language constructs

14:52:49 mircea_popescu: they let it run overnight, among the conclusions it had arrived to by morning was "napoleon had an infinite number of arms"

14:53:25 mircea_popescu: the thought process being, napoleon was a great general, great generals are forewarned, being forewarned is like having an extra pair of arms,

14:53:25 nubbins`: well, he did!

14:53:31 nubbins`: why do you think he was so short!

14:53:39 mircea_popescu: four is an odd number of arms for a man to have, the only both odd and even number is infinity

14:53:44 nubbins`: HAH

14:53:48 nubbins`: that's actually rich

14:54:05 nubbins`: "being forewarned is being forearmed"

14:54:07 mircea_popescu: kinda why it stuck.

14:55:02 mircea_popescu: anyway, machine-proofed khali.

14:58:04 nubbins`: "In the chat, Karpeles says the leaked document was not produced by Mt. Gox, but he admits that there is some truth to it."

14:58:06 nubbins`: well no shit

14:58:29 mircea_popescu: derp.

14:58:35 nubbins`: mildly surprised anyone believed that was a legit doc

14:58:42 mircea_popescu: soooo... who was it produced by ?

14:58:53 nubbins`: that two-bit idiot guy

14:58:59 nubbins`: selkis?

14:59:21 mircea_popescu: Bugpowder https://twitter.com/DougKass/status/438673419845271552 :p

14:59:26 nubbins`: wanted to make a name for himself, and it worked. associated press splashed his name across the globe

14:59:26 mircea_popescu: guy got burned prett well.

15:00:27 nubbins`: just so happens that he faked the doc at a time when everybody was ready to accept a poor fake as legit

15:01:18 mircea_popescu: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BhZi4sUCUAA0q4B.jpg:large << check out this us foreign policy success.

15:02:51 cazalla: nubbins` are you sure it's fake, shrem suggested it might have been karpeles partner who drafted it due to poor english

15:04:17 nubbins`: i'm not sure, but i mean, did you read it?

15:04:37 nubbins`: who's going to draft an internal memo that flatly states "we don't deserve to run a business"?

15:04:54 cazalla: yes but shrem and levine from LTB confirmed they knew some of what is in the pdf is factual prior to it being leaked

15:05:11 mircea_popescu: nubbins` anyone sane working at mtgox

15:05:18 mircea_popescu: or a bunch of other bitcoin "businesses" ?

15:05:21 nubbins`: sure, so why did this selkis guy decide to redact page 8?

15:05:41 mircea_popescu: nubbins` possibly because it had passwords on it ?

15:05:45 nubbins`: why would you redact a bunch of numbers on a document about a failing exchange -- a document that you're releasing

15:05:54 nubbins`: mircea_popescu: the redactions were black highlights. you could copypasta them.

15:05:58 mircea_popescu: not proposing any of the foregoing as factual or anything, merely exploring teh theory of it.

15:06:18 nubbins`: black highlights added to the pdf by selkis himself

15:06:22 mircea_popescu: nubbins` point in case as to the "we don't deserve to run a business" thing

15:06:30 mircea_popescu: "we can't even use office equipment properly"

15:06:33 nubbins`: nonono

15:06:38 cazalla: maybe he was asked to redact it by whoever gave it to him to leak because if it was given to potential investors, they might not want the financials out there

15:06:41 nubbins`: selkis is the "blogger" who "leaked" the document.

15:06:46 nubbins`: he doesn't work for gox

15:06:47 mircea_popescu: nubbins` i am aware.

15:06:55 nubbins`: oh, wait, i see what you're saying

15:06:57 mircea_popescu: how do you know he added them ?

15:07:07 nubbins`: because it says so in the file

15:07:08 nubbins`: one sec

15:07:12 mircea_popescu: o lol

15:07:22 mircea_popescu: bwahaha

15:07:33 mircea_popescu: so this guy is going to be forever remembered as the pdf highlights tard ?

15:07:39 mircea_popescu: good way to become famous lmao

15:08:01 nubbins`: http://imgur.com/a/ZyBZ5

15:08:02 ozbot: Ryan Selkis is full of shit - Imgur

15:08:07 nubbins`: see first image

15:08:23 nubbins`: the pdf software he did the fake redactions in put his fucking name on them

15:08:26 nubbins`: lel x 9000

15:09:20 nubbins`: of course none of the news articles mentioning selkis talk about this

15:09:21 mircea_popescu: fucking hell i can read the original THROUGH the blackl

15:09:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10300 @ 0.00088076 = 9.0718 BTC [-]

15:09:30 cazalla: if it was fake, who gave him the legit information to mix with his bs?

15:09:42 nubbins`: what do you mean, gave? the numbers don't even add up

15:09:42 mircea_popescu: "mt gox business is healthy and profitable

15:09:53 cazalla: the re-branding etc, shrem confirmed he knew of this weeks ago

15:09:57 mircea_popescu: is this intentional ?

15:10:06 nubbins`: mircea_popescu that's why the whole thing is so curious

15:10:10 nubbins`: none of it makes sense

15:10:34 mircea_popescu: pity something awful got all butthurt and humiliated and discontinued buttcoin

15:10:40 nubbins`: some anon blogger "is sent" a doc, black-highlights a bunch of gibberish math, makes a reddit post

15:10:41 mircea_popescu: it was a pretty decent service coupla years ago.

15:11:01 nubbins`: next thing ya know gox decides "well, now's as good a time as any"

15:11:04 mircea_popescu: he even twitted with me, sec lemme find it

15:11:05 cazalla: but parts of the document are factual nubbins`

15:11:21 nubbins`: parts of the bible are factual.

15:11:40 mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/438181014784204800 a no, he's the "o noes shrem guy"

15:11:40 ozbot: Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: "And thought he knew better." ...

15:11:53 mircea_popescu: i hope shrem hit him over the head because had he stfu i'd have not said anything either.

15:12:09 mircea_popescu: i wonder generally how many people realise that stupendously stupid "pr" actually has a marked negative cost

15:12:18 nubbins`: curious to see what 2-bit idiot has to say about his redactions

15:12:32 mircea_popescu: like say the misadventures of those pretend-gambling guys mpoe-pr laid into a week ago

15:12:37 mircea_popescu: what the fuck were they called again,

15:12:52 cazalla: casino bitcoin

15:12:55 mircea_popescu: a yes that.

15:13:01 nubbins`: CBTC!

15:14:32 mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=465334.0 there we go yeah

15:14:35 mircea_popescu: it was casino bitcoin

15:17:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12682 @ 0.00088322 = 11.201 BTC [+]

15:17:52 ozbot: Calling out CasinoBitco.in

15:17:59 cazalla: they added all their privately held shares to havelock the other week

15:18:12 cazalla: didn't mention it though until people pointed it out asking wtf

15:18:22 mircea_popescu: well obviously all the nonsense barrage was destined to help them fuck some more noobs over.

15:20:35 mircea_popescu: haha pretty epic ownage this. allow me to spam irc :

15:20:47 mircea_popescu: @SpiegelPeter ? 2h "Kremlin's jealous & intolerant eye can distinguish only vassals & enemies; neighbors, if they dont wish 2 be one, must be the other?-Kennan

15:20:58 mircea_popescu: @Mircea_Popescu This is pretty well equally true of the US. The EU is one of the few sane players and the US press is slamming them for it

15:21:10 mircea_popescu: @SpiegelPeter I don't recall US ever sending tanks into Canada. Does chasing Pancho Villa = Hungary 1956, Prague 1968, Afghanistan 1979?

15:21:23 mircea_popescu: @Mircea_Popescu https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BhZi4sUCUAA0q4B.jpg:large ? how's that look to you ?

15:21:30 nubbins`: he doesn't recall the usa and canada being at war?

15:21:33 nubbins`: i uh

15:21:35 mircea_popescu: @SpiegelPeter Is Syria a neighbour of the US? You may want to re-read original Kennan quote.

15:21:47 mircea_popescu: @Mircea_Popescu Yes, it borders on the US province of Iraq. You may wish to drop the weasel act, we're adults, we can see through bs.

15:21:55 mircea_popescu: and now he's going to be upset because i called him a weasel

15:22:04 mircea_popescu: CLEARLY he doesn't have to respond to such evil.

15:22:29 mircea_popescu: like you know, having your idiocy made a point of public mockery in the forum is immediate license to disengage and pretent like you were slighted

15:22:36 mircea_popescu: it's almost as if they're all women or something.

15:26:20 Duffer1: "Kremlin's jealous & intolerant eye can distinguish only vassals & enemies; neighbors, if they dont wish 2 be one, must be the other”-Kennan

15:26:21 Duffer1: mircea_popescu @Mircea_Popescu This is pretty well equally true of the US. >>> Cuba is a great example to offer

15:26:37 Duffer1: at least, closer to physical home than iraq

15:26:45 mircea_popescu: no because the standard magically is "the us never sent tanks there"

15:26:53 Duffer1: lol

15:26:56 mircea_popescu: notwithstanding that russia didn't send any tanks in the ukraine, either

15:27:07 mircea_popescu: but you know, opinions.

15:27:15 mircea_popescu: why not have a strongly held one ?

15:28:00 Duffer1: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bay_of_Pigs_Invasion

15:28:01 ozbot: Bay of Pigs Invasion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

15:28:19 Duffer1: dunno if they had tanks..

15:28:48 cazalla: CIA eh

15:29:06 cazalla: I'm reading this ATM - http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Politics-Heroin-Complicity-Afghanistan/dp/1556524838

15:29:29 cazalla: lead to that after reading the CIA rumoured to have run a bank here in Australia

15:29:36 cazalla: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nugan_Hand_Bank

15:29:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 538 @ 0.00582443 = 3.1335 BTC [+] {13}

15:29:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 623 @ 0.00083901 = 0.5227 BTC [-] {7}

15:30:09 mircea_popescu: o, you mean to compete with HSBC ?

15:30:16 mircea_popescu: in the very lucrative heroin trade ?

15:30:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2210 @ 0.00587473 = 12.9832 BTC [+] {15}

15:30:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.06066044 = 0.364 BTC [-] {3}

15:30:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 12 @ 0.02199999 = 0.264 BTC [-] {2}

15:30:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 16 @ 0.16230094 = 2.5968 BTC [-] {2}

15:30:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 8 @ 0.08388996 = 0.6711 BTC [+] {3}

15:30:55 cazalla: it's pretty speculative

15:30:56 cazalla: at least in the aus bank case

15:31:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 32 @ 0.00587699 = 0.1881 BTC [+] {5}

15:32:01 Duffer1: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bay_of_Pigs_Invasion#Invasion_day_.2817_April.29 now with tanks

15:32:02 ozbot: Bay of Pigs Invasion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

15:32:21 mircea_popescu: that doesn't count.

15:32:37 Duffer1: k :(

15:32:42 mircea_popescu: because random US agent of influence in Brussels slash fuckwit says so.

15:32:44 cazalla: heh Invasion day, that's what they call Australia Day although I prefer to call it Conquerors Day

15:32:48 mircea_popescu: because this is how the internet works now.

15:32:55 Duffer1: ha

15:33:06 Duffer1: i wish you were wrong

15:33:08 nubbins`: i'll be close to brussels this summer

15:33:38 cazalla: going to bed, give me something good to read with morning coffee :)

15:34:22 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-02-2014#528354 << may be worth a mention that russian troop movements was discussed here way before it became public :D

15:34:25 ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log

15:36:27 Duffer1: i don't see why they would do that unless they're planning an invasion or reinstallation of Yanuk

15:39:03 *: Duffer1 will try to remember to read linked article first next time

15:40:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43100 @ 0.00087924 = 37.8952 BTC [-] {4}

15:50:52 mircea_popescu: why, cause without crimeea they're fucked up the ass

15:51:02 mircea_popescu: russia is very badly landlocked, they can't survive without ports.

15:51:12 mircea_popescu: even crimeea is barely a fucking toehold.

15:52:11 nubbins`: and vladivostok is a LONG train ride from moscow & st petersburg

15:52:57 mircea_popescu: very.

15:54:49 nubbins`: almost the longest

15:57:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 76 @ 0.00589333 = 0.4479 BTC [+] {3}

15:58:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2081 @ 0.00589999 = 12.2779 BTC [+] {10}

15:58:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.11496639 = 0.2299 BTC [+]

15:58:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.13587995 BTC [+]

15:59:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24139 @ 0.00088304 = 21.3157 BTC [+] {3}

16:00:22 asciilifeform: http://cryptome.org/2014/02/schneier-yesterday.htm

16:01:24 pankkake: https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/02/24/jtrig-manipulation/

16:01:25 ozbot: How Covert Agents Infiltrate the Internet to Manipulate, Deceive, and Destroy Reputations - The Inte

16:02:33 nubbins`: heh

16:02:38 pankkake: the schneier proposal was so… tame. almost sounded like politicians creating commissions to solve problems

16:02:41 pankkake: "This is a radical solution" lol

16:02:47 nubbins`: is that an article about people leaving "-10 scammer faggot" ratings on -otc? ;D

16:03:11 pankkake: I hope government agents have more talent

16:03:23 mircea_popescu: pankkake nah, it's about derpage like quoted above.

16:03:25 mircea_popescu: on twitter.

16:03:31 mircea_popescu: that guy's job is basically "derp at russia".

16:03:35 mircea_popescu: which w/e, it's a living.

16:03:39 nubbins`: twist: GCHQ stole pdf from gox and leaked it via their agent selkis

16:03:57 mircea_popescu: it's kind-of becoming a fun sport these days tho, find agents twist their arms.

16:04:04 mircea_popescu: kinda sitting ducks because they're slaves to their talking points

16:04:18 mircea_popescu: and really as entry level bureaucrats... how smart can they be ?

16:04:42 ThickAsThieves: hey mp: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1yzp5k/im_a_journalist_i_want_to_be_able_to_write_about/

16:05:41 nubbins`: http://i.imgur.com/C5ZyuVj.jpg

16:05:43 nubbins`: LEL

16:07:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.13587998 BTC [+]

16:09:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 299 @ 0.0059 = 1.7641 BTC [+]

16:10:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 219 @ 0.0059 = 1.2921 BTC [+]

16:11:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 3689 @ 0.00590063 = 21.7674 BTC [+] {7}

16:11:38 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves link him to http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2014#526451

16:13:17 pankkake: https://counterparty.co/faqs/why-must-dividends-bets-and-betting-fees-be-paid-in-xcp/ lol

16:13:18 ozbot: Frequently Asked Questions | Counterparty | Crypto-Financial Market

16:13:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 87 @ 0.00597798 = 0.5201 BTC [+] {2}

16:14:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 224 @ 0.005978 = 1.3391 BTC [+] {4}

16:15:04 mircea_popescu: what is xcp

16:15:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 828 @ 0.00597969 = 4.9512 BTC [+] {4}

16:15:34 ThickAsThieves: lol

16:15:44 Duffer1: never heard about it until i was catching up on my daily actm drama this morning

16:15:50 ThickAsThieves: counterparty is one of those things like mastercoin right

16:15:59 ThickAsThieves: burn your coins into meta system

16:16:01 ThickAsThieves: cry later

16:16:02 pankkake: yes

16:16:08 Duffer1: pretty ui though >.<

16:16:15 ThickAsThieves: "Having only one currency that can be used for betting makes bet-matching simpler and easier (and more likely). The currency for making bets cannot be BTC, because the Counterparty protocol cannot debit BTC from a user’s address."

16:16:26 ThickAsThieves: sounds like something i'd write for Altcoin

16:16:30 mircea_popescu: Duffer1 i for some reason read actm as "rectum"

16:16:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.102 = 0.204 BTC [-]

16:16:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 30 @ 0.00597999 = 0.1794 BTC [+]

16:16:35 mircea_popescu: my brain is telling me things.

16:16:36 pankkake: I wonder if the UI is just a photoshop thing for now

16:17:00 Duffer1: synesthesia read actm, smell poop

16:17:05 mircea_popescu: http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/02/26/scientists-discover-a-new-state-of-matter-in-the-last-place-youd-ever-think-to-look/

16:17:05 ozbot: Scientists Discover a New State of Matter in the Last Place You’d Ever Think to Look | TheBlaze.co

16:17:09 mircea_popescu: speaking of all that.

16:17:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 231 @ 0.00597999 = 1.3814 BTC [+] {2}

16:18:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 660 @ 0.00598 = 3.9468 BTC [+] {2}

16:19:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 75 @ 0.00597999 = 0.4485 BTC [-] {3}

16:20:26 ThickAsThieves: so will chickens eventually have crystallized eyes?

16:20:55 ThickAsThieves: breed more chikuns!

16:21:13 BingoBoingo: Oh, look what happened when I was passed out http://slashdot.org/story/14/02/26/1539250/mt-gox-shuts-down-collapse-should-come-as-no-surprise

16:21:35 ThickAsThieves: cuz after crystal eyes, comes laser chikuns, right?

16:21:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18371 @ 0.00088484 = 16.2554 BTC [+] {3}

16:22:16 ThickAsThieves: gj bingo

16:22:22 Bugpowder: mircea_popescu: DOUBLE DOWN!

16:22:34 mircea_popescu: Bugpowder lolwut? o tsla you mean ?

16:22:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 138 @ 0.00598 = 0.8252 BTC [+] {2}

16:22:41 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo cool beanz.

16:23:09 BingoBoingo: Well, I guess years of reading them taught me their copywriting style

16:23:35 mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/438708150469132288 <<< lettuce bother them.

16:23:35 ozbot: Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: @SpiegelPeter I get it, you ...

16:24:08 Bugpowder: yah

16:24:23 Bugpowder: Nice to see you getting back into twitter.

16:24:33 Bugpowder: And getting some responses!

16:25:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00598 = 0.299 BTC [+]

16:28:30 mircea_popescu: they fixed the site.

16:28:43 mircea_popescu: i abandoned it cca 2012 cause they made it js-unusable.

16:29:10 ThickAsThieves: yeah, at least spiegal engaged

16:29:21 ThickAsThieves: spygull

16:29:26 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves you missed the huge argument with anil dash coupla days ago ?

16:29:34 ThickAsThieves: possibly

16:29:39 mircea_popescu: guy ended up asking me about what music i like and so forth.

16:29:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.102 = 0.714 BTC [-]

16:29:55 mircea_popescu: cause you know, that's how you make friends.

16:30:03 ThickAsThieves: hehe

16:30:08 nubbins`: i'm only here because you guys all like Talking Heads

16:30:13 ThickAsThieves: get Keiser to engage, that's a real challenge

16:30:25 mircea_popescu: if only mr Y asked the demonstrator ppl what music they liked....

16:30:43 Bugpowder: Why would one want to engage with Keiser?

16:30:52 Bugpowder: Wouldn't want to bring down my influence.

16:30:56 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves he used to back before i ended up wearing his asshole as a windshield decoration

16:31:09 mircea_popescu: (this was back in the ra ra ra days of to the moon when btc first broke 100)

16:31:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.16230094 = 0.6492 BTC [-]

16:32:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.11475878 = 0.459 BTC [-]

16:33:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00597989 = 0.598 BTC [-] {2}

16:34:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.11475878 BTC [-]

16:34:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 600 @ 0.00597999 = 3.588 BTC [+] {2}

16:35:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 284 @ 0.00598 = 1.6983 BTC [+] {3}

16:36:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.06098069 = 0.122 BTC [-]

16:36:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 25 @ 0.005987 = 0.1497 BTC [+]

16:37:06 BingoBoingo: So, less than 10% of slashdot users are using the new layout

16:37:38 mircea_popescu: i don't even remember a case where some popular site "improved"

16:37:41 mircea_popescu: or "new layouted"

16:37:46 mircea_popescu: and the userbase liked it.

16:37:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 103 @ 0.005987 = 0.6167 BTC [+] {2}

16:37:59 mircea_popescu: i have no idea why people continue doing it. must be a mental disorder on the management side.

16:38:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 184 @ 0.005987 = 1.1016 BTC [+] {2}

16:38:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.06145 = 0.6145 BTC [+]

16:39:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 150 @ 0.005987 = 0.8981 BTC [+]

16:40:51 BingoBoingo: Prolly

16:42:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.16230094 = 0.6492 BTC [-]

16:43:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 33 @ 0.005987 = 0.1976 BTC [+]

16:48:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 41 @ 0.00598962 = 0.2456 BTC [+] {3}

16:48:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 130 @ 0.00474999 = 0.6175 BTC [+]

16:51:44 BingoBoingo: n00bs gonna n00b http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=4836423&cid=46346507

16:52:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 25 @ 0.00595201 = 0.1488 BTC [-]

16:52:09 ThickAsThieves: <mircea_popescu> i have no idea why people continue doing it. must be a mental disorder on the management side. /// marketeers are persuasive, it's their job

16:52:31 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: "You know you've done things right, when people aren't sure you've done anything at all."

16:52:31 mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/438718213665611776

16:53:02 mircea_popescu: the derpage coming out of that thing is almost like bitcoin magazine runs it.

16:54:07 ThickAsThieves: what did they rip?

16:54:51 ozbot: Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: If you're going to rip -assets ...

16:55:20 mircea_popescu: link is there, "o derp, bitcoin is the greatest asset class in the histopry of business"

16:55:30 mircea_popescu: except, not because it went up 50ish x in 2013.

16:55:33 BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: Everything, it is the coindesk way

16:55:51 mircea_popescu: the argument is strong and well made, but not by them and not by their fucktarded infographic or w/e that thing is

16:55:58 ThickAsThieves: slide 12 seems familiar

16:56:04 BingoBoingo: At this rate COindesk is headed into a Max Kaiser like niche becoming a noob ghetto

16:56:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3550 @ 0.0008855 = 3.1435 BTC [+]

16:56:15 mircea_popescu: see the jan 31st discussion with herbi, it's linked in the tweet.

16:56:42 Duffer1: max seems to have become the thing he hates

16:57:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 31 @ 0.00598998 = 0.1857 BTC [+] {2}

16:57:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 35 @ 0.00480065 = 0.168 BTC [+] {3}

16:57:16 BingoBoingo: Duffer1: Max doesn't have the dignity for that

16:58:00 Duffer1: Max Keiser ‏@maxkeiser 2h

16:58:01 Duffer1: I plan to give @RealAlexJones some free #maxcoin next week. No need to bother with Bitcoin, #maxcoin is better. Currency of the Resistance.

16:58:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 74 @ 0.00598999 = 0.4433 BTC [+] {3}

16:58:18 TomServo: pathetic.

16:58:47 Duffer1: ya that kinda stuff gets under my skin pretty quick

16:58:54 ThickAsThieves: ya

16:59:07 BingoBoingo: Also 737 people reffered by Slashdot in the first hour as the last of four links in the story.

16:59:10 ThickAsThieves: maxoin is better bro!

16:59:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00018499 = 0.185 BTC [+]

16:59:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 107 @ 0.00598999 = 0.6409 BTC [+] {2}

16:59:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.39675101 BTC to 2`983 shares, 80347 satoshi per share

17:00:01 ThickAsThieves: did Max lose all his BTC on gox or something?

17:00:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 42 @ 0.00598999 = 0.2516 BTC [+] {2}

17:00:18 BingoBoingo: If only the latest trilema piece had come out an hour earlier

17:01:57 ThickAsThieves: it's odd to me that the bitcoin world ignored bitcoin stocks and stock exchanges so much

17:02:06 ThickAsThieves: like zero mention in the coindesk report

17:02:12 mircea_popescu: TomServo kinda lulzy cause it went pretty much like an old guy's erection, that forced coin.

17:02:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 11 @ 0.06145 = 0.676 BTC [+]

17:02:20 ThickAsThieves: never mentioned in bitcoin hearings or such

17:02:29 ThickAsThieves: never mentioned by core devs

17:02:32 ThickAsThieves: etc

17:02:39 mircea_popescu: why would they ?

17:02:54 ThickAsThieves: to be comprehensive?

17:02:56 Duffer1: seems like a situation where they'd just rather forget

17:03:02 BingoBoingo: Stocks and exchanges aren't for the herd

17:03:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.061 = 0.427 BTC [-]

17:03:33 mircea_popescu: i really don't want this viewpoint promoted whereby bitcoin finance is this point of interest for the general public.

17:03:34 mircea_popescu: it isn't.

17:03:59 mircea_popescu: i mean they can end up believing it is, like they end up believing any other nonsense they believe

17:04:08 mircea_popescu: but it's really just setting up everyone to get hurt.

17:04:12 ThickAsThieves: they even have a whole VC section

17:04:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 21 @ 0.00539875 = 0.1134 BTC [+] {3}

17:04:29 ThickAsThieves: well i dont mean to imply i wish it promoted

17:04:43 ThickAsThieves: so much that it being absent is odd

17:04:43 mircea_popescu: last thing you need you know, is thebitcoinwife being knowledgeable about stocks.

17:04:49 mircea_popescu: i guess it is a little odd.

17:05:15 ThickAsThieves: it also makes their numbers wrong

17:05:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 29 @ 0.00598606 = 0.1736 BTC [-] {3}

17:05:35 BingoBoingo: Could their numbers have ever been right?

17:05:36 ThickAsThieves: "38% of all VC investment is in payment processors"

17:05:36 mircea_popescu: that is unfortunate, yea.

17:05:53 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves well... it is. of the 1-2% of bitcoin marketshare that us vcs get

17:05:59 mircea_popescu: 38% is in dead in the water pps

17:06:07 mircea_popescu: rest of 62% is in other dead in the water nonventures.

17:06:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.1129999 BTC [-]

17:07:55 mircea_popescu: the controlling point here, i guess, would be the observation of Kennedy sr that fuck it, when shoeshine boys discuss stocks it's time to get out.

17:08:20 mircea_popescu: the day you're in the same boat with the sorts of people "investing" in groupon it's prolly time to move on.

17:08:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 145 @ 0.00598998 = 0.8685 BTC [+] {2}

17:09:05 mike_c: shoeshine boys won't have mpex accounts anytime soon.

17:09:18 mike_c: although i guess they could have coinbr accounts

17:09:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 393 @ 0.00598642 = 2.3527 BTC [-] {3}

17:09:27 ThickAsThieves: curse jurov!

17:10:35 jurov: i;m still waiting for someone who'll license coinbr code (for worthy price, ofc)

17:10:50 jurov: and start offering free mpex trading for masses

17:11:03 mircea_popescu: mike_c anyway, stuff like publishing the correct numbers is useful and welcome.

17:11:03 jurov: somehow no one is up to it

17:11:22 mircea_popescu: the idea isn't to keep anything a secret, god forbid, but basically i think we should be informed by the correct interraction with children in a family.

17:11:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.11299998 BTC [+]

17:11:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0615 = 0.123 BTC [+]

17:11:34 mircea_popescu: you don't make a big secret out of the power sockets, or the power tools in the garage

17:11:49 mircea_popescu: you just go about your business without making a big deal of them and let the kids grow up with all their limbs

17:12:04 mircea_popescu: i think that's overall the best policy.

17:12:12 mike_c: and maybe even buy those little plastice outlet covers to make sure they survive :)

17:12:18 mircea_popescu: maybe. tho...

17:12:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.11299998 = 0.339 BTC [+]

17:12:34 mircea_popescu: that's the debatable point, but anyway. some slack for everyone to cut closer or further by his taste.

17:12:55 mircea_popescu: but as a general principle actual finance does not belong in the mouth of pundits any more than science belongs in the mouths of politicos.

17:13:38 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo see, hour late or not, it made the paper http://paper.li/ionescupopescu

17:13:56 mike_c: looking at slides like coindesk's makes me mad for some reason. those stupid charts with "here's why btc went up" and "here's why it went down". they should post that on bitcointalk and be done with it.

17:14:11 mircea_popescu: it really is just glorified bitcointalk stuff.

17:14:46 BingoBoingo: Cool

17:16:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 73 @ 0.00599 = 0.4373 BTC [+] {2}

17:19:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00595201 = 0.2381 BTC [-]

17:21:59 mircea_popescu: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1z010y/open_letter_to_michael_casey_wsj_reporter_who/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

17:22:00 ozbot: Open Letter to Michael Casey - WSJ reporter who butchered my comments in today's Bitcoin cover story

17:22:07 mircea_popescu: the disadvantages of being erik

17:23:56 ThickAsThieves: nice

17:24:19 BingoBoingo: Well, when you want to be everyone's friend you forget if you actually have friends or not.

17:24:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 44 @ 0.00594726 = 0.2617 BTC [-] {2}

17:25:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 17 @ 0.00599 = 0.1018 BTC [+]

17:27:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 616 @ 0.00582265 = 3.5868 BTC [-] {10}

17:28:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 189 @ 0.0058 = 1.0962 BTC [-] {2}

17:28:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.16230094 = 0.4869 BTC [-]

17:28:46 ThickAsThieves: "with friends like this, whi the fuck needs cointelpro"

17:28:49 ThickAsThieves: who*

17:30:26 mircea_popescu: lol srsly.

17:31:30 thestringpuller: payment processors have too much overhead due to regulation...you pay so many fees just cutting through red tape

17:32:49 thestringpuller: PCI compliance is a joke, yet it accounts for good chunk of the expense budget...that gets passed onto the customer. thus we have bitcoin. So what happens in 20 years big government regulates BTC and you need 10 licenses just to touch it in Country XYZ?

17:32:53 mircea_popescu: eh let teh vcs have fun

17:34:53 ThickAsThieves: pci compliance is most definitely a joke

17:35:14 TomServo: No doubt. It worked wonders for Target, didn't it!

17:36:22 thestringpuller: lol operate a bitcoin exchange from a space station. no government there...

17:36:44 asciilifeform: thestringpuller: elevator for bags of fiat?

17:36:57 Duffer1: mining farm in space, free cooling

17:37:08 asciilifeform: Duffer1: cooling in space is a bitch

17:37:27 asciilifeform: (radiative only, if this is somehow non-obvious)

17:37:45 Duffer1: no i know :P

17:38:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35611 @ 0.00088327 = 31.4541 BTC [-] {2}

17:39:28 Duffer1: can a level of bureaucracy exist sufficient to regulate Bitcoin?

17:39:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1989 @ 0.00088021 = 1.7507 BTC [-]

17:39:57 diametric: I think the problem is people use the word regulate like its some specific thing.

17:40:36 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> Duffer1: cooling in space is a bitch << this somehow never is directly obvious

17:40:59 asciilifeform: phun phact - in soviet prison camps, notes ('scribbles', roughly translated from the argot) went around freely from one end of the archipelago to another. (how? bribe a guard)

17:41:02 mircea_popescu: but one of the biggest problems for any energetically intensive application outside of earth is like... how the fuck you cool it.

17:41:11 mircea_popescu: you'll end up with larger heat exchangers than solar panels

17:41:17 asciilifeform: so something resembling bitcoin (well, more like Hawala) could have worked even there.

17:41:43 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "there is no prison that may hold the literate"

17:41:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 22 @ 0.00597499 = 0.1314 BTC [+]

17:41:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 2 @ 0.08388998 = 0.1678 BTC [-]

17:42:06 mircea_popescu: diametric but it is a specific thing. it means "fucking" :D

17:42:06 asciilifeform: and i'm sure virtually everyone is familiar with the use of morse code by prisoners, historically.

17:42:53 ThickAsThieves: in case anyone is bored and wants to troll Wired: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1yzz24/im_a_reporter_with_wired_if_you_worked_at_gox_and/

17:42:55 asciilifeform: re: heat sinks: this is how the americans spotted the radiothermally-powered (Pu core) soviet satellites - enormous fins.

17:42:59 mircea_popescu: "Tough Women followed you"

17:43:02 mircea_popescu: fucking story of my life.

17:43:02 asciilifeform: that and, well, absence of solar panels.

17:43:21 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform indeed

17:43:29 mircea_popescu: "hey those don't really look like solar panels ?!"

17:43:59 asciilifeform: rtg can be built to happily run for centuries.

17:45:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33499 @ 0.00087986 = 29.4744 BTC [-] {2}

17:45:14 nubbins`: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/25/man-shoots-himself_n_4853983.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular

17:45:14 ozbot: Man Accidentally Kills Self With Gun During Demonstration On Gun Safety

17:45:27 nubbins`: "The 36-year-old man ... was attempting to demonstrate the safety of the handguns by holding them to his head and pulling the trigger."

17:45:36 nubbins`: because that's how you demonstrate that

17:46:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 33 @ 0.00597499 = 0.1972 BTC [+]

17:46:02 nubbins`: for my next trick, i will demonstrate the safety of this prop knife by falling on it from my balcony.

17:46:04 asciilifeform: tldr, insurance fraud.

17:46:06 Duffer1: have you seen the one with the black cop shoots himself in a classroom during a safety demo?

17:46:20 Duffer1: i'll try to find it

17:46:24 nubbins`: what does black have to do with it?

17:46:41 mircea_popescu: i was thinking that

17:46:48 Duffer1: an adjective to help describe the specific video i'm thinking of

17:46:57 TomServo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=am-Qdx6vky0

17:46:57 ozbot: Cop Shoots himself in the leg - YouTube

17:47:07 Duffer1: tom wins

17:47:15 mircea_popescu: wait there's A LOT of vids of cops shooting themselves in schools ?

17:47:44 nubbins`: ^

17:47:52 diametric: thats a classic

17:48:02 diametric: Have to hand it to him, he just rolls with it

17:48:06 mircea_popescu: Paco de Lucia has died

17:48:18 mircea_popescu: diametric perhaps not his first time ?

17:49:57 *: asciilifeform had a dream last night that he found the coveted n-sat shortcutter for sha-256. the number '14' was a magic constant, somehow.

17:50:03 nubbins`: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/infested-bedbug-rentals-unacceptable-tom-osborne-says-1.2551860

17:50:04 ozbot: Infested bedbug rentals unacceptable, Tom Osborne says - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News

17:50:04 nubbins`: ugh

17:50:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 61 @ 0.005975 = 0.3645 BTC [+] {2}

17:50:12 nubbins`: this is my nightmare

17:50:15 nubbins`: well. one of them

17:50:52 nubbins`: curious to see what changes they'll try to make to the residential tenancies act

17:51:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 36 @ 0.005975 = 0.2151 BTC [+]

17:51:15 asciilifeform: nubbins`: this is my nightmare << bedbugs?

17:51:18 nubbins`: nod

17:51:23 nubbins`: my house is attached on both sides

17:51:26 asciilifeform: or sha shortcut

17:51:36 nubbins`: hard skids living on both sides too

17:51:53 nubbins`: sha shortcut isn't into nightmare territory yet

17:52:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 114 @ 0.00597499 = 0.6811 BTC [-]

17:52:18 asciilifeform: what's a hardskid?

17:52:50 benkay: ;;ud skid

17:52:51 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=skid | The term "skid" is in part derived from "skid row", which is both a band enjoyed by those the term refers to, as well as their address. See also white trash and ...

17:52:52 ozbot: Urban Dictionary: skid

17:53:00 asciilifeform: aha

17:53:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 25 @ 0.00595 = 0.1488 BTC [-]

17:53:25 nubbins`: technically we call them "skeets" here

17:53:32 nubbins`: but i think skids is a more widely known term

17:53:43 pankkake: a hard skid is used to store data, but does not work well, and sometimes reverses bits

17:54:23 mircea_popescu: nubbins` tbh large parts of the us are having a SERIOUS infestation problem these days.

17:54:27 nubbins`: ah, haha: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skeet_(Newfoundland)

17:54:46 nubbins`: mircea_popescu they found bedbugs in provincial court here last year

17:54:48 mircea_popescu: i can't grok wtf is causing it, because i never heard of a civilised country with begbugs before san francisco came along

17:54:58 thestringpuller: poor white people are worse than niggas these days

17:55:12 benkay: no no thestringpuller those are "niggers" in this channel

17:55:15 benkay: nigga a different thing

17:55:19 nubbins`: lel, the article starts with "In Newfoundland English..."

17:55:25 asciilifeform: little parasites were constant companions of people, historically.

17:55:32 asciilifeform: perhaps our little break is simply over.

17:55:37 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah up until 1950 or so

17:55:41 thestringpuller: also poor hippies are the emperors of infestation

17:55:51 thestringpuller: worse than serfs

17:55:56 thestringpuller: and they complain....

17:55:59 ThickAsThieves: lol, asshole https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=289730.msg5389341#msg5389341

17:56:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00595 = 0.238 BTC [-]

17:56:20 nubbins`: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newfoundland_English#Newfoundland_English_expressions

17:56:21 nubbins`: lel

17:57:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2925 @ 0.00087859 = 2.5699 BTC [-]

17:57:16 mircea_popescu: "Where ya at?"

17:57:21 mircea_popescu: srsly, this is what yo upeople invented ?

17:57:29 nubbins`: no, we invented the gas mask

17:57:31 mircea_popescu: brb going to name some dogs after you

17:57:37 nubbins`: i think there's a wikipedia article about that somewhere too

17:57:50 nubbins`: "where are ye to?" is much more common

17:57:51 mircea_popescu: Get on the go, Let's go (also, a common euphemism for partying, on the go by itself can also refer to a relationship - similar to a dating stage, but more hazy.)

17:57:59 nubbins`: ye being, of course, the plural of you

17:58:03 mircea_popescu: whoever the fuck wrote that wiki entry was pretty well gone.

17:58:08 nubbins`: nod

17:58:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00595 = 0.2975 BTC [-]

17:58:16 nubbins`: most of it is shit

17:58:19 nubbins`: hits the mark a few times

17:58:20 mircea_popescu: He[she/dey] just took off

17:58:32 nubbins`: i.e. "right" as a synonym for "Very"

17:58:45 nubbins`: "she's right crooked" == "she is in a very bad mood"

17:58:48 mircea_popescu: nubbins` like "the right honorable dorky mcdorkenstock" ?

17:58:53 nubbins`: nah

17:58:58 nubbins`: well, wait

17:58:59 mircea_popescu: so you thing lolz

17:58:59 ozbot: Newfoundland English - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

17:59:00 nubbins`: i guess so

17:59:03 mircea_popescu: lmao

17:59:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 22 @ 0.00485999 = 0.1069 BTC [-]

17:59:18 KRS1: skeet is white trach or wigger here

17:59:18 mircea_popescu: Ducky, female friend, used affectionately. Also My love, used in an entirely platonic sense

17:59:25 mircea_popescu: great contribs to culture coming from canada.

17:59:33 mircea_popescu: SARCASM

17:59:40 thestringpuller: i thought skeet meant the process of ejaculating

17:59:45 nubbins`: mircea_popescu: i've seen delivery drivers call women "my lover"

17:59:52 nubbins`: dere ya goes, me lover

18:00:01 KRS1: thestringpuller: that too, depending on who you ask.. as in ... skeet skeet

18:00:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 27 @ 0.0055 = 0.1485 BTC {2}

18:00:16 nubbins`: i'm guilty of using some of these

18:00:21 nubbins`: "now the once" = "soon"

18:00:28 ThickAsThieves: lotsa former pirates out there?

18:00:35 nubbins`: c'mon now, we goes drinkin' now the once

18:00:45 mircea_popescu: so what does gay mean in newfoundlandandlabradorese ?

18:00:48 KRS1: nubbins`: I think here they call the person 'boo'.

18:00:49 TomServo: Yet there is a difference between a hill and a big hill.

18:00:52 TomServo: haha

18:00:57 nubbins`: mircea_popescu: depends on the age of the speaker ;D

18:00:58 KRS1: boo=my lover

18:01:08 nubbins`: "queer" is still regularly used to mean "odd" by older folk

18:01:11 mircea_popescu: that's right faggoty my love.

18:01:17 KRS1: LOL

18:01:20 KRS1: i need bait now

18:01:21 KRS1: .bait

18:01:21 nubbins`: "dass a queer smell"

18:01:22 ozbot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2edvwVIAY1r0gv87o1_1280.jpg

18:01:32 asciilifeform: http://www.businessweek.com/news/2014-02-26/bitcoin-exchange-mt-dot-gox-shutdown-said-to-be-probed-by-u-dot-s

18:01:32 ozbot: Bitcoin Exchange Mt. Gox Shutdown Said to be Probed by U.S. - Businessweek

18:01:34 nubbins`: more like "qware" than "queer" tho

18:01:34 KRS1: Mmmm elegant.

18:01:53 asciilifeform: who the hell is Preet Bharara? i feel like i've heard the name before

18:02:08 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform preet bharara wants a cracker ?

18:02:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 90 @ 0.00599 = 0.5391 BTC [+]

18:02:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.0055 = 0.11 BTC

18:02:26 ThickAsThieves: he's the guy holding the silkroad coins

18:02:37 mircea_popescu: best parakeet name ever.

18:02:40 ThickAsThieves: if i recall correctly

18:03:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00599 = 0.599 BTC [+] {3}

18:04:24 TomServo: His brother, Vinit Bharara, is the entrepreneur who co-founded Diapers.com

18:05:45 jcpham: http://goxshirts.com/

18:05:46 ozbot: dem shirts, yo

18:06:09 thestringpuller: ;;google explain like I'm five bitcoin

18:06:10 gribble: Explain Bitcoin Like I'm Five — Future of Currency — Medium: https://medium.com/future-of-currency/73b4257ac833; Explain like I'm five: Bitcoin | Darren Hobbs: http://darrenhobbs.com/2013/04/09/explain-like-im-five-bitcoin/; Explain Bitcoin Like I'm Five (In case you want to understand the ...: http://www.againstcronycapitalism.org/2014/01/explain-bitcoin-like-im- (1 more message)

18:06:49 benkay: bronycapitalism!

18:07:14 asciilifeform: ;;google explain like I'm five noncommutative algebras

18:07:15 gribble: fa.functional analysis - Realisation of noncommutative torus ...: http://mathoverflow.net/questions/157357/realisation-of-noncommutative-torus; Basic facts about finitely-generated noncommutative algebras - Math ...: http://math.stackexchange.com/questions/645775/basic-facts-about-finitely-generated-noncommutative-algebras; An Intuitive Guide to Linear Algebra | (1 more message)

18:08:07 ThickAsThieves: Ships in two weeks™ or your money back!

18:08:14 mircea_popescu: ;;google explain like i'm twelve and what is this ?

18:08:15 gribble: Explain Like I'm Five | Don't Panic! - Reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/; Explain Like I'm Calvin - Reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/ExplainLikeImCalvin; Philadelphia (1993) - Quotes - IMDb: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0107818/quotes

18:08:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 31 @ 0.00599 = 0.1857 BTC [+]

18:08:25 nubbins`: jcpham, lel

18:08:29 mircea_popescu: o i c

18:08:34 benkay: ping davout

18:08:38 mircea_popescu: ;;explain like i'm five anal sex

18:08:38 gribble: Error: "explain" is not a valid command.

18:08:44 mircea_popescu: heh

18:09:03 jcpham: ;;eli5 would be great gribble command

18:09:04 gribble: Error: "eli5" is not a valid command.

18:09:28 asciilifeform: why hardcoded 5? 'eliN'

18:09:31 nubbins`: "wear your failings like the badge of honor that they are"

18:09:31 ThickAsThieves: ;;google explain like i'm usagi

18:09:32 gribble: so i'm looking up to see if a lot of things that...: http://adventuresofcomicbookgirl.tumblr.com/post/64092309282/so-im-looking-up-to-see-if-a-lot-of-things-that; What's the Big Deal About Sailor Moon? « The Hooded Utilitarian: http://www.hoodedutilitarian.com/2011/11/bigdealaboutsailormoon/; Stan Sakai drew a comic in 1991 explaining how to make ... - Robot 6: (1 more message)

18:09:42 Duffer1: LOL

18:09:45 ThickAsThieves: hehe

18:09:59 asciilifeform: ;;explain like i'm five seppuku

18:10:32 jcpham: i think that site is 100%

18:10:38 jcpham: bitpay integrated and such

18:10:41 ThickAsThieves: from reddit: "What is the potential value of NeoBee? Right now it is trading at around 005"

18:10:42 ThickAsThieves: "Noone can be sure until first dividends."

18:10:44 jcpham: so if you buy then i have to make it

18:10:46 ThickAsThieves: ...

18:10:51 thestringpuller: ;;seen usagi

18:10:52 gribble: usagi was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 20 weeks, 0 days, 16 hours, 22 minutes, and 10 seconds ago: <usagi> No, but it will go over

18:10:57 thestringpuller: LOL

18:11:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 41 @ 0.00596854 = 0.2447 BTC [+] {2}

18:12:23 nubbins`: hope you're getting a good price on your shirts :D

18:12:41 jcpham: so they need to be $50

18:12:41 mircea_popescu: so what happens if 1st dividends are 0.007 per share ?

18:12:47 jcpham: i see your point

18:13:19 ThickAsThieves: the moon isn't high enough for such a div

18:13:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 27 @ 0.0055 = 0.1485 BTC

18:14:27 mircea_popescu: infinite power right ?

18:14:33 nubbins`: where are you getting em printed, anyway?

18:14:43 jcpham: http://goxshirts.com/products/got-gox-shirt

18:14:44 ozbot: Got Gox? shirt – goxshirts.com

18:14:48 nubbins`: cafepress or some such?

18:14:53 ThickAsThieves: ew

18:15:10 nubbins`: ;D was hoping that'd garner a reaction

18:15:20 jcpham: everyone thank nubbins`the price went up

18:15:27 mircea_popescu: ;;ticker

18:15:29 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 585.38, Best ask: 587.37, Bid-ask spread: 1.99000, Last trade: 587.37, 24 hour volume: 50964.25595437, 24 hour low: 502.0, 24 hour high: 610.0, 24 hour vwap: 561.245443288

18:15:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 165 @ 0.00599339 = 0.9889 BTC [+] {3}

18:15:35 *: nubbins` discreetly undercuts prices

18:15:39 mircea_popescu: o no! look at that, nobody cared!

18:16:06 jcpham: umm customink

18:16:19 jcpham: doesn't really matter to me. still working out logistics

18:16:35 davout: benkay: hey

18:16:42 jcpham: i had a need for a shopify thingy

18:17:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 28 @ 0.0059977 = 0.1679 BTC [+] {2}

18:17:34 *: nubbins` raises eyebrow

18:17:46 nubbins`: they do one-off shirts for $20.75, shipping included

18:17:56 nubbins`: my guess is chinese shirts with heat xfer graphics

18:18:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.103 BTC [+]

18:18:35 nubbins`: i wouldn't even set up the press for $20.75 ;p

18:18:53 benkay: davout: more tunes still on offer?

18:19:27 davout: benkay: sure! later tonight tho, gotta wrap some stuff up

18:19:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 64 @ 0.0059977 = 0.3839 BTC [+]

18:19:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.06178989 = 0.4943 BTC [+]

18:19:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.103 = 0.927 BTC [+]

18:19:53 ThickAsThieves: i'm gonna try to get Havelock to fix this market cap bullshit

18:20:01 ThickAsThieves: how many SMG shares are there again?

18:20:01 benkay: bahaha

18:20:18 benkay: davout: i'll check in tomorrow, busy tonight

18:20:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 61 @ 0.0059978 = 0.3659 BTC [+] {2}

18:20:38 davout: no worries :D

18:20:40 benkay: ThickAsThieves: http://mpex.co/?mpsic=S.MG

18:21:02 nubbins`: that doesn't tell the total # of shares

18:21:19 ThickAsThieves: i guess it's abstracted by warrant

18:21:20 ThickAsThieves: s

18:21:30 mike_c: ;;calc 12157 / .000138

18:21:30 gribble: 88094202.8986

18:21:34 nubbins`: well that's the thing about warrants

18:21:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 38 @ 0.0059978 = 0.2279 BTC [+]

18:21:38 mike_c: ^ that many shares

18:21:42 benkay: http://trilema.com/2014/smg-january-2014-statement/

18:21:43 ozbot: S.MG, January 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

18:21:52 mike_c: and about the same # of warrants

18:22:09 ThickAsThieves: hmm

18:22:11 benkay: wait why i am i doing mp's work for him

18:22:22 ThickAsThieves: so really havelock would need to pull that count dynamically

18:22:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.11475881 BTC [+]

18:22:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 320 @ 0.00599885 = 1.9196 BTC [+] {5}

18:22:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.49 = 1.47 BTC [-]

18:22:40 nubbins`: can they do that?

18:22:42 mike_c: shares is fixed. warrants are somewhat dynamic.

18:22:42 benkay: they can't do that?

18:22:47 mike_c: btcalpha manages :)

18:23:06 nubbins`: btcalpha accomodates shares being created after the fact?

18:23:25 mike_c: it accomodates warrants being issued

18:23:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 227 @ 0.0055 = 1.2485 BTC

18:24:01 nubbins`: suppose i cash in my warrant today. 192,000 s.mg shares get pushed to my account

18:24:06 nubbins`: how does havelock find out about this?

18:24:23 mike_c: monthly statement

18:24:33 benkay: sounds like a thing havelock and the pt managers should really have thought about.

18:24:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 68 @ 0.00599999 = 0.408 BTC [+] {2}

18:24:57 nubbins`: mike_c: so the numbers could be inaccurate on havelock for up to 30 days

18:25:01 ThickAsThieves: well this week havelock becomes the PT manager

18:25:14 mike_c: only sort of. fully dilute market cap doesn't change

18:25:18 ThickAsThieves: surely James and Mircea can sort out a way to reliably get a count

18:25:19 benkay: guess that means you don't have to worry about any of this bullshit, eh, ThickAsThieves?

18:25:32 ThickAsThieves: well i want neo's to be right mostly

18:25:39 mircea_popescu: S.MG has a total of 88`096`605 authorised shares outstanding

18:25:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17068 @ 0.00088091 = 15.0354 BTC [+]

18:25:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 211 @ 0.00599892 = 1.2658 BTC [-] {3}

18:26:16 mircea_popescu: and why are warrants included or what are we discussing ?

18:26:37 ThickAsThieves: they arent included, but they are a factor should they be rendered, no?

18:26:57 nubbins`: i think the question is how havelock knows total # of shares

18:27:06 nubbins`: when people can cash out warrants whenever they want

18:27:59 mircea_popescu: and for that matter s.mg can write more warrants whenever it wants.

18:28:02 nubbins`: nod

18:28:25 nubbins`: this presents a problem to be solved if havelock wishes to display a live count of the number of shares existing

18:28:27 ThickAsThieves: it just means the cap needs to be more dynamic than ASICMINER for example

18:28:29 mircea_popescu: this is what jurov likes so much about mpex

18:29:00 nubbins`: anyway bbl i gotta run an errand

18:29:06 mircea_popescu: nubbins` well generally share counts change. corps do share-based acquisitions and mergers, splits, reverse splits

18:29:14 mircea_popescu: warrants and options are exercised all the time

18:29:26 mircea_popescu: kind-of why the key figures are reported a certain way in fiat.

18:30:09 nubbins`: nod

18:30:50 nubbins`: wait, i said bbl

18:30:52 nubbins`: for real this time!

18:32:27 ThickAsThieves: alright, short email to Havelock CEO sent, I even gave him all the dataz.

18:33:02 ThickAsThieves: (for SMG, AM, NEO)

18:33:16 ThickAsThieves: everyone else can get fukt i guess

18:34:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.11475881 = 0.2295 BTC [+]

18:37:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0617 = 0.1234 BTC [-]

18:38:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.104 BTC [+]

18:38:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 323 @ 0.00599869 = 1.9376 BTC [-] {3}

18:39:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 33 @ 0.00599975 = 0.198 BTC [+] {2}

18:39:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.11499999 = 0.23 BTC [+]

18:40:24 ThickAsThieves: ;;calc .000599975*16000000

18:40:25 gribble: 9599.6

18:40:33 ThickAsThieves: ;;ticker

18:40:35 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 584.37, Best ask: 585.65, Bid-ask spread: 1.28000, Last trade: 584.37, 24 hour volume: 50743.47596829, 24 hour low: 509.96, 24 hour high: 610.0, 24 hour vwap: 561.356989288

18:40:43 ThickAsThieves: ;;calc 9599.6*584.37

18:40:44 gribble: 5609718.252

18:40:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.10499999 BTC [+]

18:41:06 ThickAsThieves: oops

18:41:22 ThickAsThieves: should be 10x

18:41:50 ThickAsThieves: NEOBEE at $56.1m

18:41:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 108 @ 0.00599963 = 0.648 BTC [-] {3}

18:41:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.06178989 = 0.3089 BTC [+]

18:42:10 mircea_popescu: 160mn shares ?

18:42:14 ThickAsThieves: 16m

18:42:19 ThickAsThieves: i had the price wrong

18:42:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.1055 = 0.211 BTC [+] {2}

18:42:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 27 @ 0.0059996 = 0.162 BTC [-]

18:43:32 mircea_popescu: lol. bank of cyprus was what, 350mn ?

18:43:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 20 @ 0.005998 = 0.12 BTC [-] {2}

18:44:38 ThickAsThieves: € 371.59m

18:45:10 mircea_popescu: well so almost there

18:46:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 168 @ 0.005998 = 1.0077 BTC [-] {2}

18:47:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 253 @ 0.000501 = 0.1268 BTC [+]

18:49:57 ThickAsThieves: http://gothamist.com/2014/02/26/spike_lee_goes_off_about_the_mother.php

18:50:24 ThickAsThieves: i'm having real trouble understanding the growing trend of american anti-gentrificationism

18:52:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.061 = 0.305 BTC [-] {2}

18:52:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 125 @ 0.00599972 = 0.75 BTC [+]

18:52:14 mircea_popescu: "we're poor and dirty why should anyone be rich" not enough ?

18:52:17 mooninite: MtGox Update 3: I found it, my usb with 700k bitcoins, It had fell down the side of the sofa at starbucks, withdrawals to resume soonish.

18:52:28 asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: people dream of keeping their money

18:52:37 asciilifeform: is this really deep science?

18:53:49 mircea_popescu: "You have to come with respect. There?s a code."

18:53:51 mircea_popescu: ahahaha epic.

18:53:55 mircea_popescu: fuck you and your fucking code.

18:53:58 ThickAsThieves: the comments are ridiculous "Why does it take an influx of white New Yorkers in the South Bronx, in Harlem, in Bed Stuy, in Crown Heights for the facilities to get better? Why did it take this great influx of white people to get the schools better? The garbage wasn’t picked up every motherfuckin’ day when I was living in 165 Washington Park... The police weren’t around... When

18:53:59 ThickAsThieves: you see white mothers pushing their babies in strollers, three o’clock in the morning on 125th Street, that must tell you something."

18:54:08 ThickAsThieves: why? cuz you didnt

18:54:37 mircea_popescu: basically, some people suck, some don't. whee why should this be, whoo how could this be.

18:54:40 mircea_popescu: it just is.

18:54:46 mircea_popescu: part of it, of course, has to do with "the code".

18:54:48 mircea_popescu: some codes suck.

18:55:11 asciilifeform: in america, there are (de-facto) radically different 'tax rates' (not tax properly speaking, but rent) for different castes

18:55:14 mircea_popescu: there's no such thing as a right to one's code just because it exists or just because it's different.

18:55:17 ThickAsThieves: god forbid a mom can walk down a street safely

18:55:19 mircea_popescu: get a good code or stfu.

18:55:28 asciilifeform: you can squeeze into the rent zone of a different caste if you're willing to live where it lives

18:55:40 asciilifeform: but when people do it en mass, the landlords adjust the price

18:55:47 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform pretty much.

18:55:49 asciilifeform: this is called, for some reason, 'gentrification'

18:56:02 ThickAsThieves: i thought it was called 'life'

18:56:17 asciilifeform: just explaining for people who have never been to the u.s.

18:56:32 ThickAsThieves: or maybe 'progress'

18:57:19 asciilifeform: so it works roughly like this. you're a programmer or whatnot, and live in a repurposed warehouse, with armoured doors. and life is good, you pay 1/10 of your money as rent

18:57:28 asciilifeform: then the other programmers think you're clever and get the same idea

18:57:47 asciilifeform: in a few years the street is full of people like yourself and you pay the mandatory 1/2 of your money as rent.

18:58:53 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform amusingly historic data from 1600s and 1700s shows avg rents being about 5% of income

18:58:56 ThickAsThieves: i visited the tenderloin in SF, i dont know what the fuck they are clinging on to

18:58:57 mircea_popescu: with tax trailing around 4%

18:58:58 ThickAsThieves: it's a pit

18:59:00 mircea_popescu: those were the dark ages

18:59:09 mircea_popescu: today people pay 50% ish in tax and 25% in rent.

18:59:28 mircea_popescu: and then in most places another 10%ish in vat and vat-like taxes.

18:59:35 mircea_popescu: leaving them with about 1 in 10 of their income

18:59:40 asciilifeform: show people what fraction of their net crop medieval serfs paid, and no one believes you.

18:59:42 mircea_popescu: as opposed to the traditional TAKING 1 of 10

18:59:47 mircea_popescu: right-o.

19:00:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.13587998 BTC [+]

19:00:25 mircea_popescu: you need a whole of a lot of progress to get people thinking they're better off in vermin infested shitholes today than they were in 1500

19:00:52 mircea_popescu: "When Michael Jackson died they wanted to have a party for him in motherfuckin? Fort Greene Park and all of a sudden the white people in Fort Greene said, 'Wait a minute! We can?t have black people having a party for Michael Jackson to celebrate his life. Who?s coming to the neighborhood?

19:01:10 mircea_popescu: well honestly now... why would white people let black people throw parties for mj's death ?

19:01:13 mircea_popescu: he was white.

19:01:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 31 @ 0.00599975 = 0.186 BTC [+] {2}

19:01:22 mircea_popescu: give him at least that much.

19:01:27 ThickAsThieves: hehe

19:01:35 ThickAsThieves: he did work hard for it

19:01:39 mircea_popescu: ikr/

19:02:03 mircea_popescu: in other news, the bitcoin Rift guild is about to pass 1k players 0.o

19:03:11 ThickAsThieves: is the game fun? or you just in it for the economy?

19:03:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 136 @ 0.00598329 = 0.8137 BTC [-] {4}

19:03:24 ThickAsThieves: i have it uninstalled

19:03:51 mircea_popescu: im mostly doing it for the economy

19:03:54 mircea_popescu: which i pretty much own

19:04:03 mircea_popescu: but the game is like wow withot the stupid shit

19:04:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 143 @ 0.00596738 = 0.8533 BTC [-] {6}

19:05:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.49899998 BTC [+]

19:05:23 mooninite: s/Rift/Guild Wars2/

19:07:29 mircea_popescu: i never tried gw

19:07:30 mircea_popescu: 2

19:08:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 17 @ 0.00599976 = 0.102 BTC [+]

19:09:03 mooninite: I played Rift, it was def a step of from the likes of WoW. But GW2 is the epitome of "without the stupid shit"

19:09:21 mooninite: no gear treadmill, skill oriented gameplay

19:09:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.0055 = 0.275 BTC

19:09:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0605 = 0.3025 BTC [-]

19:09:27 mooninite: anyways

19:09:29 *: mooninite continues to lurk

19:10:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 29 @ 0.00599976 = 0.174 BTC [+]

19:10:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 13 @ 0.16230094 = 2.1099 BTC [-]

19:11:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 21 @ 0.00599999 = 0.126 BTC [+]

19:11:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-]

19:11:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 34 @ 0.060377 = 2.0528 BTC [-]

19:12:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 223 @ 0.00599999 = 1.338 BTC [+]

19:13:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 118 @ 0.00599999 = 0.708 BTC [+]

19:14:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 450 @ 0.00599999 = 2.7 BTC [+]

19:15:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1738 @ 0.00599999 = 10.428 BTC [+] {3}

19:16:59 mircea_popescu: mooninite how does the gear threadmill work ?

19:18:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13125 @ 0.00088005 = 11.5507 BTC [-]

19:19:08 mooninite: at max level, everyone's gear stats hit the same ceiling. There's no quest for bigger and better loots. Some people dislike this fact, but I find it nice to be able to quit playing for a few weeks, come back and not feel like everyone else progressed beyond me

19:19:57 mooninite: there are ascended and legendary items that would be the sort of 'epic' rarity loots but their stats are barely higher than the regular items, only they look nicer and have particle effects

19:20:20 mooninite: so it's a level playing field, and if you want to farm and go out of your way to get the rarest items, you can -- but they will not immediately make you stronger than everyone else, it's just for looks

19:20:23 mircea_popescu: so how the heck does crafting work then ?

19:20:30 the20year2: *possibly* dumb question, but would it be possible to request the listing of an asset on mpex via a pre-existing account, or does it have to be done from a brand new one?

19:20:52 mircea_popescu: the20year2 there's no requirement it be a new account

19:21:05 mircea_popescu: i don't think any assets were listed off new accounts anyway, what sense'd that make ?

19:21:24 mike_c: % as rent has more to do with density, no?

19:21:34 the20year2: My primary concern/question if the requirement is always 30btc to list an asset

19:21:45 mike_c: % as rent climbs as population density rises

19:21:55 mircea_popescu: there's no 30 btc to list an asset tho.

19:22:05 the20year2: But, 30btc to sign up an account

19:22:16 mircea_popescu: mpex works exactly like a stock exchange is supposed to work, the asset should ideally take an underwriter

19:22:40 mircea_popescu: which is someone with the experience and contacts required to maintain the financial side of things.

19:23:01 mircea_popescu: if every ipo also bought a pit spot it'd be the fucking end of the world over at nyse.

19:23:52 mircea_popescu: in some cases obviously the asset is owned by an actual investment bank which already has a seat. this is by no means common or the rule. esp as things mature.

19:23:58 the20year2: And who is the contact?

19:24:04 the20year2: You're talking about market makers, correct?

19:24:06 mircea_popescu: the contact for what exactly ?

19:24:11 mircea_popescu: uh no.

19:24:59 the20year2: the underwriter for an asset on mpex

19:25:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23400 @ 0.00087857 = 20.5585 BTC [-] {3}

19:25:48 mircea_popescu: there's no requirement that the underwriter marketmakes

19:26:03 mircea_popescu: with the exception of x.eur and the options, mpex assets aren't mm'd specifically

19:26:11 mircea_popescu: anyone can be the mm or somescuh.

19:26:26 the20year2: I guess I'm trying to determine if there'd be use in whether there would be a use for a USD rentalstarter bond on mpex

19:26:48 the20year2: And if so, the costs of doing such

19:27:01 mircea_popescu: aha.

19:27:43 the20year2: We should hit $500k in total NAV by June, which is good, but i don't know if it's enough still in order to get a portfolio lender to consider us

19:28:00 mircea_popescu: well, if you aren't in the business, the logical step would be to talk to someone who is.

19:28:40 the20year2: Which was the whole idea behind doing this 2nd round of funding via havelock. So, then i've got to consider what non-share options there exist for business financing. Issuing interest bearing bonds are one of those things that many businesses do when they don't/can't apply for bank financing.

19:28:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 30 @ 0.115 = 3.45 BTC [+] {3}

19:29:01 mike_c: but you'd have to pay interest in btc..

19:29:32 the20year2: Well , if it works as a BTC short, then the interest being paid would be tied to USD rather than BTC, but still paid via btc as the medium

19:29:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.11520433 = 0.2304 BTC [+] {2}

19:29:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3050 @ 0.00087823 = 2.6786 BTC [-]

19:30:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.11540966 = 0.8079 BTC [+]

19:30:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14720 @ 0.0008781 = 12.9256 BTC [-] {3}

19:30:55 nubbins`: <mircea_popescu> today people pay 50% ish in tax and 25% in rent. <<< you're obviously not from canada

19:31:07 mircea_popescu: nubbins` was thinking more of a us thing.

19:31:28 the20year2: isn't it flipped in canada?

19:32:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.11540966 = 0.2308 BTC [+]

19:33:23 the20year2: Then of course, depending on the cost, issuing bonds in the US may be preferential to pursuing issuance on a bitcoin based exchange

19:33:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 66 @ 0.00599999 = 0.396 BTC [+]

19:34:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 22 @ 0.00599999 = 0.132 BTC [+] {2}

19:35:06 the20year2: Hopefully I'm making sense

19:35:36 the20year2: The two questions are : Would a USD bond (to short BTC:USD) be useful on somewhere like mpex, and if so, what would the cost be to do such a venture from the issuer standpoint

19:35:50 nubbins`: wait, sorry, 25% of gross pay

19:35:56 nubbins`: i see

19:36:11 nubbins`: ~50% of net for housing is the norm here

19:36:17 the20year2: US they want to see 35%

19:36:18 mike_c: there's already a btc hedge on mpex in x.eur. i'm not sure how much appetite you'll find for a bond that will decrease in NAV and interest rate as btc rises.

19:36:20 nubbins`: depending on your tax bracket, that could be around 25% of gross

19:36:21 the20year2: and that includes usually utilities

19:37:47 mircea_popescu: the20year2 what makes you tihnk you have the credibility to issue bonds in the first place ?

19:37:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 250 @ 0.00088321 = 0.2208 BTC [-]

19:37:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 491 @ 0.00599996 = 2.946 BTC [-] {7}

19:38:01 mircea_popescu: i mean equity is one thing, people love throwing money away

19:38:09 mircea_popescu: but a fixed upside requires a very narrow downside.

19:38:51 the20year2: I'd like to think i've been more transparent with rentalstarter than most other issuers have been with their respective listings. Of course, i'm still asking if this is a possibility at any rate

19:38:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 220 @ 0.00086551 = 0.1904 BTC [-] {2}

19:38:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.1155 = 0.3465 BTC [+]

19:39:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 201 @ 0.006 = 1.206 BTC [+] {5}

19:39:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13650 @ 0.00087755 = 11.9786 BTC [-] {4}

19:40:17 mircea_popescu: a possibility it is, of course, but transparency is hardly much of a qualification.

19:40:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 155 @ 0.006 = 0.93 BTC [+] {2}

19:41:27 the20year2: With the number of companies that have outright scammed people i'd kind of expect it to at least play a partial role in future issuer plans.

19:41:42 mike_c: how many companies on mpex have scammed people?

19:41:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 68 @ 0.00599999 = 0.408 BTC [-] {2}

19:42:10 the20year2: I'm not aware of any, however i'm talking about the landry list of stocks out there that have.

19:43:10 mircea_popescu: in general companies that can't finance themselves through stock issuance have little or no hope of placing bonds successfully.

19:43:21 mircea_popescu: at least i've never heard of pinksheet bonds issuance.

19:44:25 thestringpuller: people need to stop financing period until their business actually runs

19:44:30 the20year2: There's a medium sized REIT i ran into out of texas that issued bonds here pretty recently in the same way I would like to do ours

19:44:52 the20year2: To issue bonds in the US, up to $50m all that is required is to issue a PPM and file with the SEC in the respective investor's state

19:44:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 167 @ 0.00599999 = 1.002 BTC [-] {2}

19:45:06 the20year2: Then, depending on accreditation you then are limited to a number of investors

19:46:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 55 @ 0.00599999 = 0.33 BTC [-]

19:48:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 90 @ 0.00599999 = 0.54 BTC [-]

19:49:20 mircea_popescu: what's "run into" mean ?

19:49:40 mircea_popescu: jesus fuck, i go craft, check twitter half hour later, 24 interactions

19:49:44 mircea_popescu: how is one supposed to handle this shit

19:49:56 thestringpuller: you ignore them

19:50:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10997 @ 0.00088005 = 9.6779 BTC [+]

19:50:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 75 @ 0.00599999 = 0.45 BTC [-]

19:51:57 mircea_popescu: i guess so.

19:52:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.006 = 0.24 BTC [+]

19:52:34 mircea_popescu: actually goes pretty fast.

19:52:47 mircea_popescu: most of it is just spam basically made to make one feel important.

19:52:55 mircea_popescu: takes about 3 minutes to cut through 25 interactions.

19:54:54 the20year2: at least bots think you're important

19:59:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00599 = 1.198 BTC [-] {2}

20:01:24 mircea_popescu: not a matter of bots, just, all interaction is split up in n atomic bits

20:02:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.1155 BTC [+]

20:03:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00018499 = 0.185 BTC [+]

20:04:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 362 @ 0.00050899 = 0.1843 BTC [+] {2}

20:04:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 102 @ 0.00599998 = 0.612 BTC [+]

20:05:17 mike_c: the gox failure has clearly been depressing ATC prices..

20:05:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8800 @ 0.00088005 = 7.7444 BTC [+]

20:06:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 62 @ 0.00599999 = 0.372 BTC [+]

20:08:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.02289649 = 0.229 BTC [-]

20:09:11 ThickAsThieves: http://www.businessinsider.com/senator-calls-for-bitcoin-ban-2014-2

20:09:32 ThickAsThieves: look at those assholes shoving iphones in his face

20:09:32 ThickAsThieves: lol

20:11:06 mike_c: "I am most concerned that as Bitcoin is inevitably banned in other countries, Americans will be left holding the bag on a valueless currency"

20:11:11 ThickAsThieves: have at em boys: https://twitter.com/Sen_JoeManchin

20:11:34 Jere_Jones: "ban bitcoin" lol

20:12:14 ArsKisS: aaand... it's banned

20:12:19 mircea_popescu: what is ?

20:12:19 ArsKisS: wait wut

20:12:21 ArsKisS: bitcoin

20:12:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1124 @ 0.00052998 = 0.5957 BTC [+] {4}

20:12:29 mircea_popescu: in pakistan ?

20:12:36 ArsKisS: aah

20:12:44 ArsKisS: you didn't see the rows before my comment

20:13:02 ThickAsThieves: every politician needs some aide telling him to consider what implications his comments have on the US dollar

20:13:08 ThickAsThieves: ban USD!

20:13:10 ArsKisS: [22:11:12] <ThickAsThieves> have at em boys: https://twitter.com/Sen_JoeManchin

20:13:10 ArsKisS: [22:11:35] <Jere_Jones> "ban bitcoin" lol

20:13:29 ThickAsThieves: [15:09] <ThickAsThieves> http://www.businessinsider.com/senator-calls-for-bitcoin-ban-2014-2

20:13:29 ThickAsThieves: [15:09] <ThickAsThieves> look at those assholes shoving iphones in his face

20:13:29 ThickAsThieves: [15:09] <ThickAsThieves> lol

20:13:33 ThickAsThieves: ^ mp

20:13:46 asciilifeform: only reason the ban isn't official yet is that ft. meade hasn't finished the beta version of the IRSCoin that u.s. citizens will be asked to trade their TerroristCoins for.

20:14:24 ThickAsThieves: "Bitcoin has also become a haven for individuals to buy black market items. " shit it's harder to get stuff with bitcoin than dollars now

20:14:40 mircea_popescu: oic

20:15:31 mircea_popescu: meanwhile i'm having fun on twitter with twerps who describe themselves as "Strategy & Research"

20:15:39 mircea_popescu: and then do website design for a living.

20:15:42 ThickAsThieves: i wonder, is there a legal ground for disallowing the USG to ban it on grounds that it would destroy huge amounts of wealth for US citizens already invested?

20:15:49 mircea_popescu: because srsly. that's where it's aty.

20:15:57 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves no.

20:16:07 mircea_popescu: the usg has the god given right to destroy any wealth of its citizens it can.

20:16:20 asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: hemp, gold, 100 other historical examples

20:17:04 ThickAsThieves: i like those examples

20:17:07 ThickAsThieves: cuz they failed

20:17:19 ArsKisS: http://auroracoin.org/

20:17:22 ArsKisS: btw what do you think?

20:17:26 ThickAsThieves: scam

20:17:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9900 @ 0.00087832 = 8.6954 BTC [-]

20:17:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00599999 = 0.3 BTC [+]

20:17:40 ArsKisS: ThickAsThieves, iceland government gonna scam their citizens?

20:17:53 ThickAsThieves: where do you see the gov being involved?

20:18:10 ArsKisS: afaik they gonna distribute

20:18:15 ThickAsThieves: afaik?

20:18:17 gx: god, that article just drives me nuts

20:18:18 ThickAsThieves: k more

20:18:20 ArsKisS: as far as i know

20:18:34 gx: we should ban it, because it's unstable

20:18:35 gx: rofl

20:18:37 ThickAsThieves: you dont know

20:18:41 ThickAsThieves: is what you mean to say

20:18:47 asciilifeform: national altchains are inevitable - just like the idiot national cryptosystems of the '80s-90s

20:18:59 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i bet you not in 2014.

20:19:02 ThickAsThieves: maybe so, but auroracoin isnt one

20:19:07 asciilifeform: as soon as these folks figure out how to diddle the crypto

20:19:13 mircea_popescu: not even

20:19:19 asciilifeform: straight key escrow is a little out of fashion

20:19:24 mircea_popescu: as soon as they figure out wtf they are. will be 2015 at the ealiest.

20:19:24 asciilifeform: it's gonna have to be something more subtle

20:19:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00599998 = 0.24 BTC [-]

20:19:40 ThickAsThieves: it's premined and there's a hard fork already?!

20:19:46 ThickAsThieves: lolroracoin

20:19:57 mircea_popescu: lmao

20:19:59 ArsKisS: ThickAsThieves, well, that knida explained :P

20:20:16 Duffer1: not like the premine was a lot of coins just a mere 50%

20:20:25 ArsKisS: :D

20:20:36 ThickAsThieves: the whole thing is absurd and insulting

20:20:38 gx: Before the U.S. gets too far behind the curve on this important topic, I urge the regulators to work together, act quickly, and prohibit this dangerous currency from harming hard-working Americans.

20:20:39 gx: jesus

20:20:56 ThickAsThieves: hard-working americans?

20:20:58 ThickAsThieves: lol

20:21:00 mike_c: what about the lazy americans?

20:21:18 mircea_popescu: gx having fun ?

20:21:18 Duffer1: none of that sentence made sense

20:21:52 ThickAsThieves: % of hard work performed by bitcoiners = .00000001

20:22:15 gx: i'm fucking raging

20:22:16 gx: lol

20:23:23 mircea_popescu: spam because funny :

20:23:25 mircea_popescu: @TomHashemi Did you want to share something with the group ?

20:23:25 mircea_popescu: @Mircea_Popescu Nope... I've read enough of your nonsense on bitcointalk to do it on twitter as well

20:23:25 mircea_popescu: @TomHashemi I don't write on bitcointalk.

20:23:25 mircea_popescu: @Mircea_Popescu you are not MPOE-PR or whatever?

20:23:25 mircea_popescu: @TomHashemi No. And why am I talking to derps who think they may put "strategy" on their bio when what they do is code websites ?

20:23:28 mircea_popescu: @Mircea_Popescu errrr maybe because I do both? try reading the full page before you comment...

20:23:30 mircea_popescu: @TomHashemi Sure, most actual strategists I know advertise themselves as cooks, streetsweepers, merchandise stacking "executives" and so on

20:23:33 mircea_popescu: @Mircea_Popescu Didn't realise I had to get all my sources of income approved by you before I proceed. I'll remember for next time, thanks.

20:23:36 mircea_popescu: @TomHashemi You're from a different movie, seriously.

20:24:03 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: wrestling with pigs?

20:24:09 mircea_popescu: im on twitter nao

20:24:18 mircea_popescu: dun-dundun you're in the shitter nao

20:24:34 mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXpF2xMlZyQ

20:25:04 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all

20:25:11 gribble: MtGox BTCUSD last: 135.0, vol: 0.00000000 | Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 579.64, vol: 51250.82140218 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 566.0, vol: 34102.75551 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 583.2499, vol: 39495.72382802 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 595.02, vol: 338.71655363 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 574.633104, vol: 14739.30100000 | Volume-weighted last average: 576.844443971

20:25:49 mircea_popescu: ono! needs more 0s for volume

20:26:28 BingoBoingo: So Imma guess this recent drama means rally soon

20:26:38 mircea_popescu: kinda been rallying all day.

20:27:32 midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: Why do you waste your time with people like that? Is he some kind of uber-wealthy gateway?

20:27:35 ThickAsThieves: bitstamp is much less prone to "crashes" on "bad" news like this

20:27:43 ThickAsThieves: so glad gox is dead

20:27:56 mircea_popescu: midnightmagic cause i'm a fucking verbose idiot basically.

20:28:09 asciilifeform: new theory. twitter used by thinking people is really stego blockchain.

20:28:26 asciilifeform: 4 bits per word.

20:28:35 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in retrospect, "strategy" on such venues should be taken as an indicator of consumate armchair generalship.

20:28:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 23 @ 0.00485 = 0.1116 BTC [-]

20:28:51 mircea_popescu: i guess protecting the term is impossible, actual people doing strategy will have to find a new word

20:28:52 midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: :-/ I don't think so, fwiw.

20:28:54 mircea_popescu: kids take over this one

20:29:17 ThickAsThieves: "After you ban #bitcoin, could you ban really hot, humid weather? It's really the most annoying weather."

20:29:23 mircea_popescu: midnightmagic no but w/e, he was talking at me on twitter. so i respond. and when i respond to people i don't know it highligths them to research team too, so they give me a "who's this guy".

20:29:23 asciilifeform: i've nothing against armchair generals, so long as they don't labour under the delusion of commanding actual soldiers.

20:29:24 jurov: asciilifeform that leaves obvious coinclusion about bruce schneiers recommended password solution

20:29:31 ThickAsThieves: "please clarify whether this ban would apply to @dogecoin also?"

20:29:35 ThickAsThieves: lol

20:29:38 midnightmagic: doh

20:29:44 mircea_popescu: when i get back a "well he makes websites" im like o great

20:30:02 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves droopy tits is what they should ban

20:30:08 ThickAsThieves: yes!

20:30:17 mircea_popescu: big is ok but saggy nobody wants.

20:30:31 asciilifeform: i'm a stereotypical, unrepentant armchair general myself. even have a copy of clausewitz somewhere.

20:30:33 ThickAsThieves: a scourge on the nation surely

20:31:04 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't think armchair generals are allowed clausewitz

20:31:11 mircea_popescu: i suppose we may mean different things by the term.

20:31:27 ThickAsThieves: someone should do an article on the senator that has "BTCUSD fell -1% on the news"

20:31:29 mircea_popescu: my armchair generals are qualified to discuss anything because they once finished a game of starcraft

20:31:33 mircea_popescu: and it was really hard.

20:31:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8450 @ 0.0008772 = 7.4123 BTC [-]

20:32:12 mircea_popescu: "mpex drops 1% on news of ceo wasting his time talking to idiots on twitter"

20:32:18 asciilifeform: i'm just a noob to the sheer magnitude of the apparent civilizational decay.

20:32:52 mircea_popescu: ;;calc (0.00087832 - 0.0008772 )/ 0.00087832

20:32:52 gribble: 0.00127516167228

20:32:57 mircea_popescu: 0.1%

20:33:34 ThickAsThieves: lol

20:33:48 asciilifeform: (what's the word for what used to be a normal kid, who wants a time machine so he can get clobbered in stalingrad like a real man? 'armchair private' ?)

20:33:56 mircea_popescu: btw, ThickAsThieves saves the day. if bitcoin is banned we move to altcoin

20:34:02 asciilifeform: how many folks here were armchair privates?

20:34:24 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't think these exist anymore, and if they do exist they're prolly girls.

20:34:38 mircea_popescu: wanting to starve as sufragettes or something.

20:34:38 ThickAsThieves: that's the plan

20:34:40 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: girls?! explain

20:34:41 asciilifeform: aha

20:34:48 ThickAsThieves: we must have an "alt"ernative

20:34:56 mircea_popescu: maaaaybe some kid wants to be at stonewall

20:34:59 mircea_popescu: without even being gay

20:35:02 ThickAsThieves: the senators web page crashed my Opera

20:35:04 ThickAsThieves: hax

20:35:07 mircea_popescu: (well... he's bicurious. and he thinks he might be gay)

20:35:41 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves, at your request : Ah, che bel vivere, che bel piacere: per un senatore di qualit?! di qualit?!

20:36:08 ThickAsThieves: i requested a mexican translation?

20:36:14 mircea_popescu: from "il senatore di faniente", a famous opera

20:36:18 ThickAsThieves: ah

20:36:34 ThickAsThieves: lemme see if my portuguese can decipher

20:37:17 ThickAsThieves: nevermind

20:37:23 ThickAsThieves: i see my pretty

20:37:30 ThickAsThieves: for one senator

20:37:42 ThickAsThieves: maybe i should buy some rosetta stones

20:38:22 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: modern boys don't want time machine?

20:40:24 mircea_popescu: nah

20:40:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 63 @ 0.00599999 = 0.378 BTC [+]

20:41:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.49000004 = 2.45 BTC [-] {2}

20:41:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 23 @ 0.0055 = 0.1265 BTC

20:44:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3550 @ 0.00087897 = 3.1203 BTC [+] {2}

20:46:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 45 @ 0.0055 = 0.2475 BTC

20:52:45 asciilifeform: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/10655270/Plan-to-split-California-into-six-states-gains-ground.html

20:53:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.1155 BTC [+]

20:54:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 20 @ 0.00599999 = 0.12 BTC [+]

20:54:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 206 @ 0.00055 = 0.1133 BTC [+]

20:54:15 nubbins`: http://www.eulorum.org/Eulora/Installing_Eulora

20:54:17 nubbins`: ^ first post :D

20:54:21 mircea_popescu: yay!

20:55:13 mircea_popescu: ahahaha that icon is deathly cute

20:55:14 nubbins`: prob needs some editing, i'll take another look over it later. this is my first time writing a wiki article

20:55:21 nubbins`: i know hey?

20:55:26 nubbins`: wonder what happens if you poke his nose ;(

20:55:43 mircea_popescu: nubbins` btw, you got any crafting done or anything ?

20:56:16 nubbins`: no, only got as far as the login screen. keyboard input goes to the terminal window rather than the un/pw textboxes

20:56:23 nubbins`: it's a work in progress ;D

20:57:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11889 @ 0.00087674 = 10.4236 BTC [-] {2}

21:00:00 nubbins`: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/dan-aykroyd-loves-new-face-of-crystal-head-vodka-1.2551755

21:01:00 nubbins`: in other news, you can buy a fucking glass hockey skate filled with whisky now

21:01:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 43 @ 0.00599999 = 0.258 BTC [+]

21:04:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.11749998 BTC [+]

21:04:50 ThickAsThieves: "The hack rates as one of the largest heists in history"

21:04:57 ThickAsThieves: re saying Gox lost $400m

21:05:01 ThickAsThieves: by what measure?

21:05:16 azi`: are we actually sure it was a hack?

21:05:29 mircea_popescu: lmao mtgox is a hack nao ?

21:05:34 azi`: i'd really like to know what was going on at gox

21:05:48 azi`: i mean, no blockchain info about the 700k bitcoins

21:06:08 azi`: and its unreasonable to think they lost the wallet to the cold storage thing

21:06:30 mircea_popescu: azi` dude, they just bundled everything together.

21:06:56 mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/mtgox-and-ancient-bitcoin-history-the-straight-dope/

21:07:02 mircea_popescu: read that and follow the links. you'll get it.

21:08:24 ThickAsThieves: Havelock's response to my market cap fix request "I will keep you posted on when this will be updated and how."

21:08:34 azi`: doing it just now.. i am wondering if it can change my view that gox was just too incopetent to run this "get bitcoins and run" scheme

21:09:12 mircea_popescu: anyone know a certain Bryce Weiner ?

21:09:28 mircea_popescu: azi` well, let me know.

21:09:37 crash0verrid3: oooo

21:09:53 ThickAsThieves: omg someone on twitter just used "Bitcoin is not Quantum Safe, sorry." as an argument

21:10:12 asciilifeform: quantum safe?

21:10:22 azi`: mircea_popescu: so you think it's in no way related to the fact that they had some legal issues with authorities?

21:10:24 mike_c: ThickAsThieves: market cap deja vu..

21:10:27 mike_c: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-11-2013#396183

21:10:41 azi`: the case reminds me very much to the case of full tilt poker, really..

21:11:27 azi`: they were stealing large sums of money but everything was fine until the FBI closed them down which caused a panic of withdrawals after reopening

21:11:30 lnovy: no order sorting? :(

21:11:51 ThickAsThieves: <asciilifeform> quantum safe? // ya we are at the mercy of vitalik's and jordan ash's turing quantum miners

21:12:21 mircea_popescu: azi` basically it's the bitcoinica blueprint rehashed.

21:12:25 kakobrekla: the real fear is luke jr, ThickAsThieves .

21:12:29 mircea_popescu: they lost some btc, kept daytrading to make it up, kept losing,

21:12:33 mircea_popescu: had various losses here and there

21:12:40 mircea_popescu: if you add it all up it's 700k btc or w/e

21:12:58 mircea_popescu: most of it was when btc was very cheap

21:13:11 mircea_popescu: so this presentation overtstates losses to make a better story.

21:14:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 75 @ 0.00599997 = 0.45 BTC [-]

21:14:28 ThickAsThieves: http://www.bitcoinnotbombs.com/bitcoin-vs-the-nsas-quantum-computer/

21:14:48 mircea_popescu: so today's takeaway is that idiots are remarkable territorial.

21:15:45 ThickAsThieves: so are cave men

21:18:28 mircea_popescu: on top of all the bitcoin experts in #bitcoin, #bitcoin-otc, #bitcoin-etc

21:18:30 mircea_popescu: and on top of all the various specialist investors on bitcointalk

21:19:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 55 @ 0.00595007 = 0.3273 BTC [-]

21:19:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.49 BTC [-]

21:19:35 ThickAsThieves: http://gawker.com/meth-cook-busted-wearing-los-pollos-hermanos-shirt-from-1531646479

21:20:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 33 @ 0.00595006 = 0.1964 BTC [-]

21:20:46 davout: evening all

21:23:33 ThickAsThieves: is there a place i can easily see who funded the most recent campaigns of a senator?

21:23:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.06003 = 0.2401 BTC [-]

21:23:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.103 = 0.412 BTC [-]

21:23:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.16230094 = 0.6492 BTC [-]

21:24:26 nubbins`: hi

21:24:34 nubbins`: oops, wasn't scrolled down

21:24:39 nubbins`: D:

21:25:11 ll: opensecrets.org ?

21:27:30 ThickAsThieves: whaddaya know JPMorgan finded Manchin

21:27:34 ThickAsThieves: funded*

21:28:42 ThickAsThieves: thanks ll

21:28:58 mircea_popescu: derp.

21:29:07 mircea_popescu: as i was sayin' to erik, the guy's the clown of all time.

21:29:07 mircea_popescu: http://www.huntingtonnews.net/8650

21:29:23 mircea_popescu: A. James Manchin either delighted or appalled the West Virginia voters. Many people, especially senior citizens, loved the attention he bestowed upon them later as Secretary of State. He would produce a certificate with a gold star and make quite a production of just about anyone's service to "Mother West Virginia." Giving away his trademark white or black fedora to young teenage boys along the campaign trail, Manch

21:29:23 mircea_popescu: in was known to even pull off the road and attend funerals for people he didn't know.

21:29:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 34 @ 0.00599999 = 0.204 BTC [+]

21:30:49 nubbins`: mircea_popescu: is it okay to copy eulora-specific content wholesale from trilema to the wiki? or would you prefer we link to articles

21:31:18 mircea_popescu: ideally link

21:31:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 126 @ 0.00595006 = 0.7497 BTC [-]

21:31:52 mircea_popescu: inasmuch as wiki articles are intended ot describe things such as they are, they don't sanely need much more than snippets anwyay

21:31:57 nubbins`: nod, true

21:32:21 mircea_popescu: i mean arguably eulora as-is won't match exactly the eulora as-word-of-god

21:32:27 mircea_popescu: hence the utility of a wiki in the first place.

21:32:34 nubbins`: yeah

21:32:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 196 @ 0.00595003 = 1.1662 BTC [-] {3}

21:33:03 nubbins`: so, should the need arise, it's fine to paraphrase/summarize info and link to the relevant blog post?

21:33:13 mircea_popescu: sure.

21:33:15 nubbins`: k

21:33:20 mircea_popescu: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d8/Senator_Byrd_funeral_service.jpg

21:33:30 mircea_popescu: how come all the us presidents are wearing cheap synthetic suits ?

21:33:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 300 @ 0.00573791 = 1.7214 BTC [-] {8}

21:33:50 nubbins`: cotton/silk shortage

21:34:22 thestringpuller: only jay-z can afford to wear tom ford

21:34:25 mircea_popescu: i don't imagine they're trying to buy 50 dollar suits, so you'd expect they could afford something

21:34:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00570509 = 1.141 BTC [-] {7}

21:35:09 ThickAsThieves: thestringpuller, are you seriously chasing usagi for money?

21:35:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 78 @ 0.00570001 = 0.4446 BTC [-] {3}

21:39:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 181 @ 0.0056763 = 1.0274 BTC [-] {6}

21:45:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 98 @ 0.00581293 = 0.5697 BTC [+] {8}

21:48:18 thestringpuller: ThickAsThieves: no I want to see who the other shareholders were

21:50:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 553 @ 0.00057395 = 0.3174 BTC [+] {4}

21:52:59 nubbins`: HIF rallymode

21:53:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 210 @ 0.00586999 = 1.2327 BTC [+] {3}

21:53:15 nubbins`: i had a mid-december sell order get filled overnight

21:53:39 thestringpuller: !ticker h hif

21:53:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK:HIF] 1D: 0.00050000 / 0.00052981 / 0.00057500 (3892 shares, 2.06203014 BTC), 7D: 0.00038617 / 0.00047751 / 0.00057500 (21099 shares, 10.07507839 BTC), 30D: 0.00036000 / 0.00045198 / 0.00057500 (69588 shares, 31.45223437 BTC)

21:54:05 thestringpuller: wow

21:54:58 ThickAsThieves: has it paid divs?

21:55:01 mike_c: no dividends and no financial reports. what exactly are you investing in?

21:55:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 114 @ 0.00589998 = 0.6726 BTC [+] {3}

21:56:15 ThickAsThieves: ;;calc 100000000*.000575

21:56:15 gribble: 57500

21:56:25 ThickAsThieves: ;;ticker

21:56:27 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 567.67, Best ask: 568.11, Bid-ask spread: 0.44000, Last trade: 568.11, 24 hour volume: 50469.56136110, 24 hour low: 517.0, 24 hour high: 610.0, 24 hour vwap: 566.874713657

21:56:28 mike_c: hm, supposedly there will be quarterly dividends

21:56:37 mike_c: maybe that's why rally

21:56:39 ThickAsThieves: ;;calc 57500*567.67

21:56:39 gribble: 32641025.0

21:56:51 ThickAsThieves: HIF worth $32.6m

21:57:10 mike_c: there are 100m units of hif

21:57:10 nubbins`: yeah

21:57:10 nubbins`: i'm investing in a cut of listing fees ;p

21:57:17 ThickAsThieves: the rally is the Neo bump

21:57:29 ThickAsThieves: reddit went wild and added new users

21:57:56 nubbins`: this is the first time it's stayed above 0.005 for any length of time since IPO

21:58:25 nubbins`: i should really add "nubbins" to my highlight list

21:58:37 nubbins`: not everyone uses tab-complete ;(

21:59:00 ThickAsThieves: add nub too :)

21:59:17 mike_c: their prospectus says they are going to make 6,000 btc in 2014. so quarterly dividend would be..

21:59:22 thestringpuller: and nug

21:59:26 mike_c: ;;calc (6000 /4) / 100000000

21:59:26 gribble: 1.5e-05

21:59:27 nubbins`: i added nubs. worried about false positives

22:00:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 89 @ 0.00599 = 0.5331 BTC [+] {2}

22:00:40 mike_c: ;;calc .00006 / .000575

22:00:40 gribble: 0.104347826087

22:01:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 111 @ 0.005998 = 0.6658 BTC [+] {3}

22:02:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 132 @ 0.00599363 = 0.7912 BTC [-] {3}

22:03:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1537 @ 0.00599579 = 9.2155 BTC [+] {7}

22:08:57 mircea_popescu: <ThickAsThieves> HIF worth $32.6m <<< 1/10 of Bank of Cyprus ?

22:09:17 mircea_popescu: nubbins` the ` is silly anyway

22:10:59 nubbins`: YOU'RE SILLY

22:11:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 58 @ 0.0059 = 0.3422 BTC [-]

22:12:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 137 @ 0.0059 = 0.8083 BTC [-]

22:15:48 ThickAsThieves: lol

22:16:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60550 @ 0.00087658 = 53.0769 BTC [-] {4}

22:16:56 nubbins`: p liked the shepherd's pie i made

22:17:08 nubbins`: "the key to a woman's puss is through her guts", i said

22:17:13 nubbins`: she suggested i write a book

22:17:40 mircea_popescu: everyone likes fucking people who cook well

22:20:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00599 = 0.2995 BTC [+]

22:22:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 20 @ 0.00599 = 0.1198 BTC [+]

22:23:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 22 @ 0.00599 = 0.1318 BTC [+]

22:24:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.11749998 BTC [+]

22:25:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 379 @ 0.0059 = 2.2361 BTC [-] {3}

22:27:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.49899 BTC [+]

22:33:31 benkay: "u wanna get fucked? i wanna steak. i'm sure we can figure something out here."

22:33:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 111 @ 0.00597 = 0.6627 BTC [+]

22:34:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 110 @ 0.00598999 = 0.6589 BTC [+]

22:35:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 118 @ 0.00598192 = 0.7059 BTC [-] {6}

22:36:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 112 @ 0.00596876 = 0.6685 BTC [-] {5}

22:43:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 92 @ 0.00597999 = 0.5502 BTC [+] {2}

22:44:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 221 @ 0.00597999 = 1.3216 BTC [+]

22:45:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.1155 = 1.0395 BTC [-] {2}

22:45:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 41 @ 0.00597999 = 0.2452 BTC [+]

22:46:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 33 @ 0.00597999 = 0.1973 BTC [+]

22:48:01 nubbins`: mike_c: FYI, i get a "Database error" page every time i commit an update -- doesn't seem to affect anything tho

22:48:18 ThickAsThieves: Official Neo Update: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=289730.msg5394823#msg5394823

22:48:21 mike_c: hm. ok, i'll check it out

22:48:45 nubbins`: "A database query error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software."

22:49:12 ThickAsThieves: some funny pics of people looking at people's asses in there

22:49:58 ThickAsThieves: like half the pics really lol

22:52:53 kakobrekla: why is the merchant copy printed first on the terminal

22:53:36 ThickAsThieves: to annoy i guess

22:53:57 ThickAsThieves: my question would be, why is there a merchant copy

22:54:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 525 @ 0.00598175 = 3.1404 BTC [+] {3}

22:54:06 mike_c: how many suits does it take to cut the entrance rope?

22:54:15 nubbins`: record keeping!

22:54:17 nubbins`: OH WAIT

22:54:22 ThickAsThieves: rope has infinite hit points

22:54:30 nubbins`: but srs, paper trail

22:54:43 ThickAsThieves: so print a daily report?

22:54:46 nubbins`: same reason voting machines have printouts

22:54:47 ThickAsThieves: hourly?

22:54:49 nubbins`: (do they?)

22:54:51 ThickAsThieves: i dunno

22:54:58 nubbins`: i'm guessing, we use paper+pencil to vote here in canada

22:55:04 kakobrekla: rope can be overtaken but you need strategy, raw power wont do

22:55:14 ThickAsThieves: voting isnt even standardized

22:55:22 nubbins`: voting in usa seems like a mess

22:55:24 nubbins`: by design

22:55:28 nubbins`: to enable fraud

22:57:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 19 @ 0.0055 = 0.1045 BTC

22:58:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 456 @ 0.00599617 = 2.7343 BTC [+] {3}

22:58:47 ArsKisS: http://bitcoinful.com/post/77908378925/hitler-finds-out-bitcoin-survived-mtgox-crash

22:59:07 kakobrekla: yes i was afraid of that.

22:59:43 kakobrekla: when will we see dogecoin-finds-out-bitcoin-survived-mtgox-crash

23:00:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 170 @ 0.00599896 = 1.0198 BTC [+] {2}

23:00:41 nubbins`: when will my palm divorce my face

23:01:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 24 @ 0.005999 = 0.144 BTC [+]

23:01:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11350 @ 0.00088005 = 9.9886 BTC [+]

23:01:44 mircea_popescu: "The variety of these businesses is excellent, and a future where Cypriots will be in a position to use Euros only to pay government institutions is within sight."

23:01:47 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves what /

23:03:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 44 @ 0.00598 = 0.2631 BTC [-]

23:03:35 mircea_popescu: don't tell me somebody took a text with "euro" in it and tried to s/euro/bitcoin by hand

23:03:35 mircea_popescu: and failed at it.

23:04:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.00598 = 2.99 BTC [-]

23:04:35 ThickAsThieves: hmm?

23:05:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 77 @ 0.00598 = 0.4605 BTC [-]

23:05:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 46 @ 0.0055 = 0.253 BTC

23:05:17 mircea_popescu: cypriots can not currently use euros to pay taxes ?

23:05:17 ThickAsThieves: it's a twisty sentence that's supposed to say he thinks bitcoin can be the main means of commerce

23:05:32 ThickAsThieves: ah the placement of only is what;s confusing

23:05:33 mircea_popescu: he means "to only use euros to pay" ?

23:06:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1322 @ 0.00055 = 0.7271 BTC [-] {2}

23:06:29 mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_2Ofv1L9CU

23:06:29 ozbot: Greeks Anything you can do we already did better - YouTube

23:06:45 ThickAsThieves: thx

23:06:49 nubbins`: yes

23:06:49 ThickAsThieves: i'll get it fixt

23:06:52 nubbins`: to only use euros

23:07:15 nubbins`: s/only/solely

23:07:40 nubbins`: "...Cypriots will be in a position to use Euros solely to pay government institutions"

23:07:40 mircea_popescu: well i guess the part where his feedback sources are tardtalk, tarddit and tardtweer is oddly adequate.

23:08:14 mircea_popescu: "can not write copy, great results from the pleb venues"

23:08:33 nubbins`: yesterday i learned that all that shit in the bible about speaking in tongues is pretty much only in the english versions

23:09:07 Vexual: wanna hear confusing, i woke up with a ticket to macau

23:09:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 90 @ 0.00599999 = 0.54 BTC [+]

23:09:29 kakobrekla: in which hole?

23:09:59 assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1663645/plain/)

23:09:59 mircea_popescu: !b 3

23:10:00 nubbins`: glory

23:10:07 mircea_popescu: how long had you been saving that one k ?

23:10:21 nubbins`: he has it on trigger

23:10:22 kakobrekla: lol i didnt

23:11:11 nubbins`: okay, at the risk of yammering on about something nobody cares about

23:11:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 45 @ 0.00599999 = 0.27 BTC [+]

23:11:23 nubbins`: mark is chronologically the first gospel

23:11:46 nubbins`: not only does it make no mention of a virgin birth -- in fact, jesus is referred to as a son of mary -- but it ends when jesus dies.

23:12:03 nubbins`: they go to the tomb, and a young man -- not an angel -- says:

23:12:13 nubbins`: “Do not be alarmed. You seek Jesus of Nazareth, who was crucified. He has risen; he is not here. See the place where they laid him. But go, tell his disciples and Peter that he is going before you to Galilee. There you will see him, just as he told you.” And they went out and fled from the tomb, for trembling and astonishment had seized them, and they said nothing.

23:12:18 nubbins`: AND THAT'S THE END OF THE BOOK.

23:12:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 25 @ 0.00599999 = 0.15 BTC [+] {2}

23:12:58 ThickAsThieves: blasphemy!

23:13:02 nubbins`: centuries later it was felt that this was improper, because all the subsequent gospels have shit about virgin births and resurrections

23:13:10 mircea_popescu: not particularly novel this you know ?

23:13:10 nubbins`: so they tacked on an ending to it

23:13:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.061687 = 0.3701 BTC [+] {3}

23:13:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.102 = 0.204 BTC [-] {2}

23:13:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.16230094 = 0.3246 BTC [-] {2}

23:13:28 nubbins`: new to me ;)

23:13:35 mircea_popescu: kinda xtianity 101 in actual academia.

23:13:47 nubbins`: sadly, i wasted my university years studying science instead

23:14:05 Vexual: anrthropology?

23:14:45 mircea_popescu: history of religion too.

23:14:54 nubbins`: vexual, math

23:14:59 mircea_popescu: there's about four different humanities paths that end up there

23:15:01 ThickAsThieves: anyone have thoughts on LASIK?

23:15:09 ThickAsThieves: will i go blind at 60?

23:15:28 nubbins`: anthropology is actually Arts, not Science, here

23:15:39 nubbins`: (fwiw, math can be studied as either)

23:15:45 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i know some chicks that got it.

23:15:53 Vexual: lasers in the eye is never good tat

23:16:01 ThickAsThieves: never?

23:16:02 nubbins`: i have a few friends who tried lasik

23:16:12 nubbins`: they say they wish they'd done it years before

23:16:23 ThickAsThieves: my wife got it, but like i love my vision so much i'm scared to improve it

23:16:27 ThickAsThieves: she's 20/15 now

23:16:40 nubbins`: yeah, one friend said he has better than 20/20 now

23:16:46 mircea_popescu: women generally do it because there's few good woman looks that include glasses.

23:17:11 nubbins`: http://heddalettuce.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/nana_mouskouri1.jpg

23:17:24 ThickAsThieves: meh

23:17:25 ThickAsThieves: hehe

23:17:36 ThickAsThieves: contacts work too

23:17:42 mircea_popescu: yeah but contacts are a bitch.

23:17:43 ThickAsThieves: but i dont wear thos eeither

23:17:47 ThickAsThieves: yep

23:17:49 asciilifeform: everyone remembers that ancient sf story where the 'last man alive' find food and a library, and then his glasses break?

23:18:05 nubbins`: bummer

23:18:22 mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxPRZ9S-qbI

23:18:22 ozbot: Harry Potter Epilogue - Saturday Night Live - YouTube

23:19:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 90 @ 0.00598 = 0.5382 BTC [-]

23:23:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15100 @ 0.00088005 = 13.2888 BTC [+]

23:24:39 TomServo: asciilifeform: wasn't that a twilight zone episode?

23:24:51 asciilifeform: TomServo: maybe

23:25:06 asciilifeform: i distinctly recall reading it on paper though.

23:25:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.00485313 = 0.9706 BTC [+] {4}

23:26:30 TomServo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAxARJyaTEA

23:26:30 ozbot: Time Enough at Last - YouTube

23:26:38 TomServo: Yeah, it really stuck with me.

23:28:41 mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uywK1QVNuNU

23:28:42 ozbot: Emma Stone Monologue: Nerds Love Emma - Saturday Night Live - YouTube

23:28:50 mircea_popescu: check it out, emma stone playing bitcoin.

23:29:33 TomServo: asciilifeform: The episode was adapted from a short story written by Marilyn Venable

23:33:07 ThickAsThieves: not available in my country

23:33:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 90 @ 0.00599999 = 0.54 BTC [+]

23:33:58 wao-ender: lol that show

23:34:11 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves you gotta be kidding me

23:34:22 TomServo: no kidding

23:34:27 ThickAsThieves: http://screen.yahoo.com/emma-stone-monologue-nerds-love-000000328.html

23:34:28 ozbot: Emma Stone Monologue: Nerds Love Emma | Saturday Night Live - Yahoo Screen

23:34:58 mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/438818270381355008

23:34:59 ozbot: Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: http://t.co/KLdTeXC4Kb Emma ...

23:35:12 mircea_popescu: im putting the link here because something tells me im gonna need it a lot on twitter

23:35:22 mircea_popescu: and that thing is so fucking badly organised you can never find anything.

23:37:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 20 @ 0.00599998 = 0.12 BTC [-] {2}

23:39:23 wao-ender: damnit

23:39:42 wao-ender: I just found great place to organise finest Bitcoin *meetup* https://www.facebook.com/352009638172552/photos/pb.352009638172552.-2207520000.1393457939./381744045199111/?type=3&theater

23:40:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 24 @ 0.00599999 = 0.144 BTC [+]

23:40:57 ThickAsThieves: golf in Bratislava?

23:42:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5778 @ 0.00088005 = 5.0849 BTC [+]

23:43:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.061687 = 0.2467 BTC [+]

23:44:31 wao-ender: well, funny is, that resort is just 21 km from Bratislava, not far from border in Hungary, but owned by Slovak group.

23:48:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 168 @ 0.00599998 = 1.008 BTC [-]

23:51:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.499 BTC [+]

23:55:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00018499 = 0.185 BTC [+]

23:59:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 34 @ 0.00599998 = 0.204 BTC [-]

23:59:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] [PAID] 9.18620878 BTC to 18`934 shares, 48517 satoshi per share