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00:02:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19527 @ 0.00041069 = 8.0195 BTC [-]

00:03:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5323 @ 0.00040978 = 2.1813 BTC [-]

00:41:56 asciilifeform: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/02/25/us-china-tech-exclusive-idUSKBN0LT1B020150225 << lulzies

00:41:58 assbot: Exclusive: China drops leading technology brands for state purchases | Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/17zMg6M )

00:47:17 ben_vulpes: https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/32423?project=1 << emacs over x11. am i the only one who does this?

00:47:19 assbot: FS#32423 : [emacs] emacsclient consistently crashes emacs ... ( http://bit.ly/1Be6TBu )

00:47:47 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: over x11 vs what ?

00:47:55 ben_vulpes: in a terminal.

00:48:02 asciilifeform: i've only ever used emacs in x11

00:48:24 asciilifeform: ditto most folks i know

00:48:31 ben_vulpes: i've finally grown up a bit then i guess.

00:48:39 asciilifeform: is ben_vulpes using some perverse system ?

00:48:47 ben_vulpes: oh come now, don't be coy.

00:48:47 asciilifeform: netbsd on dead goat ?

00:48:52 asciilifeform: ah let me guess

00:49:02 *: ben_vulpes is baffled as to why guessing would be necessary

00:49:10 asciilifeform: iirc the canonical emacs on apple is 'aquamacs'

00:49:18 thestringpuller: http://i.imgur.com/AkFy40Z.jpg << hey look consumers!

00:49:24 asciilifeform: mostly trad emacs but with gui hooks for the os

00:49:30 ben_vulpes: right.

00:49:45 ben_vulpes: the progression was

00:51:40 ben_vulpes: aquamacs -> railwaycat emacs port -> erc in a terminal on a remote host -> frustrations with tiling window managers in os x -> discovery of xmonad, ratpoison and friends -> x11 configuration -> stumpwm -> emacs on os x in x11 -> horrific bastard mode of "znc" on local machine with "znc" running on remote host -> emacs on remote host as bouncer displaying on a local x11 frame

00:52:16 ben_vulpes: followed by emacsclient crashing emacs --daemon every time the x11 frame disappeared

00:52:25 ben_vulpes: all for want of a workstation, i suppose.

00:52:52 thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: VIM 4 LYFE

00:53:01 *: thestringpuller graffiti's his nice EMACS setup

00:53:54 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i presume the second item on this list was a build of traditional emacs for apple ?

00:54:03 asciilifeform: why switched from that to the remote thing ?

00:54:20 asciilifeform: (if this was in the log - link to log)

00:58:35 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: novice's bouncer.

00:59:01 ben_vulpes: i like manipulating text in emacs, but wanted a persistent connection to b-a.

00:59:35 ben_vulpes: the most obvious route to me at the time was to run emacs in a terminal on a remote host.

01:00:10 *: asciilifeform opened today's mail, is leafing through 'ada 95 rationale' and it's a joy

01:01:10 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i enjoy colours, good fonts, etc. and so will not use emacs in a term if there's any choice about it

01:01:44 thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: why not use a screen multiplexer? like tmux or screen?

01:03:07 cazalla: thestringpuller, i like this one better :P http://i.imgur.com/aFYebE1.gif

01:03:10 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Be9Fqy )

01:03:41 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: what typeface do you use?

01:05:24 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: laugh if you will, misc-fixed-medium-r-normal

01:07:10 ben_vulpes: i don't really know enough to laugh.

01:07:25 asciilifeform: emacs is unbeatable on account of the customizations - not only of appearance (i've a different highlighting mode for every type of animal, and most are not the stock included ones) but mechanics - how do folks get along on other editors without 'hungry arrow keys', for example ?

01:07:25 ben_vulpes: all i really know is how to ask about what others do and run my own experiments.

01:07:57 ben_vulpes: hungry arrow keys?

01:07:57 asciilifeform: aha

01:08:08 ben_vulpes: i've no idea what you mean...

01:08:37 asciilifeform: as in, never having to hit an arrow key more than once to traverse a block of whitespace

01:08:37 mike_c: press ctrl?

01:08:37 *: trinque M-x package-install

01:08:54 asciilifeform: mike_c: not same

01:09:02 asciilifeform: mike_c: and not cross-mode

01:13:37 trinque: ben_vulpes: https://github.com/neersighted/nbnc << I might try this out

01:13:38 assbot: neersighted/nbnc · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1BebNyF )

01:13:47 trinque: it claims to be what I want

01:14:35 trinque: hm, no buffering

01:14:37 trinque: nvm

01:14:47 ben_vulpes: give up

01:14:51 ben_vulpes: put emacs on a remote host

01:14:54 ben_vulpes: x11 tunnel

01:14:57 ben_vulpes: be stupid like me

01:15:22 trinque: :(

01:15:32 trinque: right now I'm just weechatting in a tmux+mosh

01:15:51 trinque: unix philosophy is dead

01:15:56 trinque: where is the simple bouncer

01:16:28 trinque: heh! https://github.com/nicferrier/shoes-off

01:16:29 assbot: nicferrier/shoes-off · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1Becqbe )

01:16:49 trinque: would hilariously not remove remote emacs from your current setup

01:17:50 thestringpuller: asciilifeform: re: hungry arrow keys << VIM i rarely use arrow keys...

01:19:19 ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: re tmux etc like alf, i pretty much refuse to work in a terminal

01:19:35 ben_vulpes: it's good for the things for which it is good

01:19:40 ben_vulpes: but for other things, it is not.

01:19:42 ben_vulpes: htop - good

01:19:44 ben_vulpes: emacs - not.

01:19:50 thestringpuller: trinque: weechat interesting. i use irssi.

01:20:09 ben_vulpes: for instance, i hate weechat and irssi.

01:20:20 thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: i used to belive this but I don't like using mice. I find the use of a mouse kills my wrist.

01:20:32 ben_vulpes: cutting and pasting etc must fit within emacs text manipulation paradigms.

01:20:38 ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: who said anything about mice?

01:20:39 thestringpuller: this is also why I hate IDE's that have "buttons"

01:20:43 ben_vulpes: i never take my hands off the keyboard.

01:20:49 ben_vulpes: do you take me for a menu-traverser?

01:20:53 thestringpuller: what is your stack?

01:20:58 thestringpuller: ^- ben_vulpes

01:21:30 trinque: thestringpuller: weechat's kind of butt, just less butt than other things I've used

01:21:58 thestringpuller: trinque: ah. the only client i've used is mirc, and as I just told ben_vulpes i hate mice.

01:22:12 trinque: what mouse?

01:22:22 ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: stack?

01:22:30 trinque: shit I even vimperator

01:23:00 thestringpuller: thestringpuller: like what OS, browser, text editor do you use on your local that you don't have to use a mouse to navigate?

01:23:18 ben_vulpes: fine, you got me. not "never", but only under duress.

01:23:28 ben_vulpes: and progressively less as i sharpen my sword/till my garden.

01:23:41 thestringpuller: i'm trying to figure out your workflow I guess.

01:23:45 ben_vulpes: os x

01:23:49 thestringpuller: i've onyl been able to really accomplish that in terminal

01:23:49 ben_vulpes: emacs in x11

01:24:00 trinque: he's dialing in keywords on xkeyscore so he can find you

01:24:04 thestringpuller: oh so emacs does all the lifting as you said earlier

01:24:14 ben_vulpes: that is the point of using emacs.

01:24:30 ben_vulpes: text editor, debugger, grep wrapper, vcs wrapper, irc client...

01:24:49 ben_vulpes: tags browser...

01:24:57 ben_vulpes: granted, nothing that vim doesn't do (poorly)

01:24:58 thestringpuller: i really prefer a shell...

01:25:08 thestringpuller: alright them is fighting words

01:25:39 thestringpuller: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Editor_war << hah

01:25:47 ben_vulpes: i started with vim - i know somewhat whereof i speak.

01:27:41 thestringpuller: i don't use VIM outside text editing so I don't know the capacicty to which it is customizable

01:28:13 thestringpuller: i also don't use emacs but when trying to learn, it really really really made me want toss my computer out a window

01:28:21 trinque: thestringpuller: evil mode

01:28:27 trinque: you'll be right at home

01:29:13 thestringpuller: maybe, but also I don't know LISP ;)

01:29:32 thestringpuller: it's on my bucket list

01:29:36 trinque: sure you do; just don't realize it yet

01:29:37 thestringpuller: along with starting a crime family with asciilifeform

01:29:41 trinque: I bet you know python or something

01:29:55 thestringpuller: yea I know python. and also slowly ruby

01:30:02 thestringpuller: but the lispi-ness of it evades me for sure

01:31:04 thestringpuller: i use procedural paradigm when using Python and Ruby tho...

01:31:13 thestringpuller: altho ruby seems to punish you for it

01:31:53 trinque: yeah, but your other languages have expressions

01:32:11 trinque: just imagine everything's one of those, and there are no implicit orders of operation except up

01:32:35 thestringpuller: trinque: lets have a LISP tutorial when I'm tripping instead of drunk ;)

01:32:40 trinque: heh

01:32:44 trinque: ask someone more experienced

01:32:57 trinque: hacking my emacs and stumpwm configs have helped a great deal

01:48:45 asciilifeform: jurov!!!

01:48:53 asciilifeform: fucktarded turdatron ate another message of mine

01:48:56 asciilifeform: 80-column hard limit

01:49:38 asciilifeform: lemme guess, non-latin1 chars not allowed.

01:49:58 asciilifeform: and -no- i'm not interested in including it as a clickable attachment.

01:50:03 asciilifeform: because that's retarded.

01:50:21 thestringpuller: asciilifeform 's wrath bit flips on.

01:51:19 asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/profound_retardation.txt

01:52:17 asciilifeform: jurov: your thing is very seriously unusable imho

01:53:43 asciilifeform: $ gpg --verify profound_retardation.txt

01:53:43 asciilifeform: gpg: Signature made Wed Feb 25 20:47:07 2015 EST using RSA key ID 01ABFFC7

01:53:43 asciilifeform: gpg: Good signature from "Stanislav Datskovskiy <stas@loper-os.org>"

01:53:49 asciilifeform: so that's not the issue

01:57:09 thestringpuller: !t m s.qntr

01:57:17 assbot: [MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.0003 / 0.0003 / 0.0003 (100 shares, 0.03 BTC), 30D: 0.000175 / 0.00025046 / 0.0003 (50536 shares, 12.66 BTC)

02:00:37 asciilifeform: ^ i mean srsly, wtf am i supposed to do with that. the unprintable garbage is key to the message

02:00:44 asciilifeform: it isn't unimportant in the least bit

02:03:45 thestringpuller: good evening mircea_popescu

02:10:14 asciilifeform: forgot to include the detail, in profound_retardation.txt, that the sandisk drive is a 60gb unit.

02:10:37 asciilifeform: (yes, the capacity read by both u-boot and bsd is garbage, though deterministic garbage)

02:11:26 asciilifeform: another data point - the 2.6.31.8 linux kernel originally shipped with 'pogo' had precisely the same behaviour

02:11:28 asciilifeform: (unlike arch)

02:12:04 asciilifeform: if i knew for a fact that the bug -only- triggers on 'sandisk' drives, it wouldn't be worth thinking about at all

02:12:10 asciilifeform: but i cannot guarantee this.

02:13:47 asciilifeform: !up decimation

02:13:53 decimation: ty asciilifeform

02:13:55 decimation: assbot's http interface appears to be down

02:14:04 decimation: I suspect mircea_popescu is working on it

02:14:25 asciilifeform: so -that's- where ddosbot went

02:14:36 decimation: heh

02:14:39 asciilifeform: !up mircea_popescu

02:14:49 mircea_popescu: oddly assbot otps timeout

02:14:51 mircea_popescu: am i the on;y one ?

02:14:54 decimation: nope

02:15:07 decimation: the otp url comes across, but the http interface is dead

02:15:19 mike_c: kakobrekla, are you/assbot getting dos'd?

02:15:20 decimation: possibly due to anti-ddos animatronics

02:15:31 asciilifeform: 'once is an accident, twice is enemy action'

02:16:31 decimation: I first noted it around 0045 utc

02:17:18 decimation: err 0145

02:17:45 mircea_popescu: well i lost a main router somehow too. supposedly was a power outage downtown

02:18:31 asciilifeform: today?

02:18:32 mircea_popescu: decimation im not working on assbot, kako is

02:18:38 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform earlier when i went down

02:18:48 asciilifeform: and -lost- as in smoked?

02:19:13 decimation: mircea_popescu: ah okay

02:19:18 mircea_popescu: i dunno. ima have it looked into tomorro

02:20:19 asciilifeform: perhaps just a routine ocelot-in-cableway incident

02:20:40 decimation: or crocodile-in-toilet perhaps?

02:20:52 mircea_popescu: myeah.

02:21:32 *: asciilifeform imagines one day roto-rooting toilet and pulling up pieces of suit, briefcase...

02:21:50 *: asciilifeform would prefer to live with alligators

02:22:12 asciilifeform: (ceteris paribus)

02:23:04 decimation: re: cosmonaut's gun: I thought it was for besting wild bears if the capsule lands in the urals

02:23:18 asciilifeform: decimation: nah that one comes with >1 round

02:23:23 asciilifeform: this is the other one

02:23:26 decimation: heh

02:24:36 decimation: !up nubbins`

02:25:45 decimation: <nubbins`> probably unrelated but there's been a comms van w/ gov plates parked down the road from me for like a week

02:25:48 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-02-2015#1033726 < i lollered.

02:25:48 assbot: Logged on 25-02-2015 22:18:52; danielpbarron: Achievement unlocked: get blocked by 5 sc4mz0rz.

02:30:04 thestringpuller: decimation: hmmm. sword axe time draws near.

02:31:05 asciilifeform: except that gasenwagen doesn't have 'gasenwagen' painted on. it has, e.g., 'kaiser kaffee'

02:31:10 decimation: maybe we can be in the same 'meat van' as asciilifeform when we are being taking the the sharashka

02:31:30 decimation: nah it says 'meat'

02:31:39 asciilifeform: 'bread' more classically

02:31:54 decimation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-07-2014#761383 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-07-2014#761384

02:31:54 assbot: Logged on 19-07-2014 01:48:06; decimation: "Buffeting its load of tightly packed bodies, the gaily painted orange and blue truck drove on through the streets, passed a railway station and stopped at a crossroads. There, halted by a traffic-light, stood the dark-red car belonging to the Moscow correspondent of the Paris newspaper LIBERATION, on his way to a hockey match at the Dynamo Stadium. On the side of the van the correspondent read the words

02:31:54 assbot: Logged on 19-07-2014 01:48:07; decimation: He remembered having seen several trucks like this today in various parts of Moscow. Taking out his notebook he wrote with his dark-red fountain pen: 'Now and again on the streets of Moscow you meet food delivery vans, clean, well-designed and hygienic. One must admit that the city's food supplies are admirably well organized.'"

02:32:06 asciilifeform: http://1k43club.ru/upload/forum/ecbd3569e1ea8edcf5033d509b1c6d9c.jpg

02:32:28 decimation: does that say 'bread'?

02:32:31 asciilifeform: aha

02:33:52 asciilifeform: http://karopka.ru/upload/iblock/280/photo_5_1389624339.jpeg << meat variant

02:34:01 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-02-2015#1033766 o.O look at that.

02:34:01 assbot: Logged on 25-02-2015 23:13:49; mike_c: insanity. qntra bids are over 0.0003? going to be the priciest share on mpex soon.

02:34:38 mike_c: it's a bubble :)

02:34:57 thestringpuller: mike_c: hard to distinguish buyer frenzy from investors paying for content.

02:35:16 mike_c: i thought that a couple times, but then the bids kept going up.

02:35:32 thestringpuller: well no one is really selling

02:35:50 mike_c: right, but bids don't need to keep going up to incentivize writers

02:36:39 mircea_popescu: i imagine it's just like bitcoin : not many shares, many people heard of it.

02:37:09 thestringpuller: so people buying MPEx seats just to subsidize qntra?

02:37:11 thestringpuller: doesn't make sense...

02:37:12 mike_c: plus it hasn't tried to make money yet (with one tiny exception), so it's still hopes and dreams phase.

02:37:35 thestringpuller: mike_c: i don't think it can make money yet. it's in egg phase. egg must hatch first.

02:37:45 thestringpuller: right now qntra is competing for intelligent eyeballs

02:38:03 mike_c: yeah, i agree it shouldn't be trying to monetize yet. but that helps fuel investor optimism.

02:38:43 thestringpuller: well given fraudsters is well monetized I wouldn't worry too much about qntra implementing a revenue stream in the future

02:39:26 mike_c: fraudsters's monetization level doesn't support the current qntra share price to me.

02:39:31 asciilifeform: http://cs315428.vk.me/v315428826/2342/vO1VSY-YbxY.jpg

02:39:43 mircea_popescu: "Chief casualty is U.S. network equipment maker Cisco Systems Inc, which in 2012 counted 60 products on the Central Government Procurement Center's (CGPC) list, but by late 2014 had none, a Reuters analysis of official data shows."

02:39:47 mircea_popescu: cisco is so fucking dead...

02:39:49 decimation: lol what does it say asciilifeform

02:40:01 mircea_popescu: and red hat is fucking next.

02:40:02 asciilifeform: decimation: 'i'd press a bit'

02:40:09 mike_c: holee shit. 60->0 is two years?

02:40:16 thestringpuller: mike_c: qntra may very well outgrow fraudsters

02:40:27 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: fraudsters is 8 years old?

02:40:31 mircea_popescu: mike_c cisco pretty much imploded once it became clear they're working for the usg against their customers.

02:40:35 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: cisco dead << still crown-blessed, usg supply alone could feed it sov. factory style till the bitter end

02:40:46 mircea_popescu: absolute texbook case on the dangers of "obeying the laws".

02:41:20 mike_c: asciilifeform: problem is, that's not a growth story.

02:41:33 decimation: http://justsecurity.org/20304/transcript-nsa-director-mike-rogers-vs-yahoo-encryption-doors/

02:41:36 assbot: Transcript: NSA Director Mike Rogers vs. Yahoo! on Encryption Back Doors | Just Security

02:41:36 mircea_popescu: ^

02:41:45 mircea_popescu: i'm happier with fraudsters's monetization than with cisco's soviet future.

02:42:09 decimation: "AS: No, I think Bruce Schneier and Ed Felton and all of the best public cryptographers in the world would agree that you can’t really build backdoors in crypto. That it’s like drilling a hole in the windshield.

02:42:10 decimation: MR: I’ve got a lot of world-class cryptographers at the National Security Agency." < MR is 'mike rogers', new director of nsa

02:42:14 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: I've been to several stores and they put the Cisco routers on the bottom with sign "Spookware" and Asus routers on the top shelves with "No Spookware"

02:42:38 asciilifeform: thestringpuller: lol, goodcop/badcop

02:42:48 asciilifeform: thestringpuller: as if 'nonspookware' is a thing in the store

02:42:55 asciilifeform: or any store.

02:43:09 thestringpuller: i kno! just funny how it is pop culture now.

02:43:20 decimation: "AS: So you do believe then, that we should build those for other countries [Russia, China] if they pass laws? MR: I think we can work our way through this."

02:43:43 mike_c: too bad mircea_popescu can't say what he thinks qntra share price is right.

02:43:45 asciilifeform: === 'planet is our banana plantation, shuddthefuckup'

02:43:52 mike_c: probably not right for owner to pontificate on that too much.

02:44:06 thestringpuller: asciilifeform: how does one procure a non-spookware router tho?

02:44:09 asciilifeform: !up decimation

02:44:19 asciilifeform: thestringpuller: using your hands

02:44:30 thestringpuller: how so?

02:44:40 thestringpuller: Care to elaborate? :P

02:44:51 asciilifeform: thestringpuller: see log for one example

02:44:56 mircea_popescu: mike_c how would i even know ?

02:45:02 thestringpuller: !s router spookware

02:45:04 assbot: 0 results for 'router spookware' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=router+spookware

02:45:09 decimation: that's a good point, usg cannot simultaneously recognize another sovereign country and also say 'give legit rulers all ur bits'

02:45:13 mike_c: you wouldn't know, you'd have an opinion

02:45:18 thestringpuller: asciilifeform: any keywords you can give me? ;)

02:45:34 asciilifeform: !s edgerouter

02:45:34 assbot: 10 results for 'edgerouter' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=edgerouter

02:45:44 thestringpuller: thank you for that asciilifeform

02:45:46 asciilifeform: ^ experiment with building a fairly decent home router

02:45:52 decimation: I use the edgerouter with built-in firmware, it definitely performs

02:46:00 decimation: one day soon I will try to re-write with bsd

02:47:14 mats: does anyone here actually expect qntra to pay for itself?

02:47:35 thestringpuller: me

02:47:38 asciilifeform: if you have external ssh open (why?) into the thing, keep in mind that recent versions of freebsd had diddled rng

02:47:46 asciilifeform: (proven fact)

02:47:50 asciilifeform: see log

02:47:54 decimation: I don't see need for router to talk to outside world

02:48:04 decimation: (other than through nat)

02:48:31 mats: asciilifeform: iirc that was not a stable release

02:48:54 asciilifeform: in freebsd world plenty of folks don't use -STABLE

02:51:55 mats: and why is that

02:51:57 asciilifeform: !up mircea_popescu

02:52:15 mircea_popescu: mike_c well, i think on the mid term qntra has better earning perspectives than whatsapp.

02:54:13 asciilifeform: 'Because we have got to be willing as a nation to have a dialogue. This simplistic characterization of one-side-is-good and one-side-is-bad is a terrible place for us to be as a nation. We have got to come to grips with some really hard, fundamental questions. I?m watching risk and threat do this, while trust has done that. No matter what your view on the issue is [... snipped crapolade]'

02:54:26 asciilifeform: !s teaching the controversy

02:54:27 assbot: 7 results for 'teaching the controversy' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=teaching+the+controversy

02:54:46 decimation: the thing is, you need to learn to do what I say

02:55:30 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2014#827667 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2014#827668 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-11-2014#926289 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-11-2014#926290

02:55:30 assbot: Logged on 12-09-2014 16:47:05; asciilifeform: once you've been 'taught the controversy' - that is, convincing that there -even is- reasonable debate among informed people, on a particular subject - the lie becomes a kind of half-truth, automagically

02:55:30 assbot: Logged on 12-09-2014 16:47:19; asciilifeform: because suddenly, there is (or you think there is) a debate. with 'sides.'

02:55:30 assbot: Logged on 17-11-2014 04:48:53; asciilifeform: what's more, this follows inescapably from any situation, anywhere, where someone gets to 'score nonzero points' merely for showing up.

02:55:30 assbot: Logged on 17-11-2014 04:49:54; asciilifeform: all you have to do, then, is to pile on the meat puppets, until suddenly there is a 'controversy', and there are 'points of view', and eventually - a 'consensus.'

02:55:57 decimation: 'one point of view is that usg should have all ur bits'

02:56:14 mircea_popescu: "we must pull together" is the age old statist refrain.

02:56:30 decimation: things are getting better comrades

02:56:33 mircea_popescu: sure, we'll pull together : come swear fealty to me. bring me your daughters, let me name the head of each usg agency

02:56:39 mircea_popescu: then we'll pull together just fine.

02:57:03 mircea_popescu: obv, not exactly what's being contemplated with the "pull together" talk

02:57:13 decimation: "MR: I think we can work our way through this."

02:57:21 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: who would you name head of CIA?

02:57:53 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron

02:58:00 danielpbarron: ya?

02:58:07 mircea_popescu: sure, why not.

02:58:29 asciilifeform: l0l 'fantasy usg'

02:58:34 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo ^

02:58:37 mircea_popescu: "pull together" usg.

02:58:37 danielpbarron: oh i thought you were asking if i was here; didn't realize i just got nominated to run the .. CIA!?

02:58:45 mircea_popescu: sure. have fun.

02:59:52 danielpbarron: i will not spare the whip.

03:09:16 mircea_popescu: britni's back.

03:10:49 asciilifeform: but who molested her

03:11:40 mircea_popescu: https://bitbet.us/bet/786/bitcoin-to-surpass-berkshire-as-an-investment/#c4617

03:11:41 assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment :: 1121.15 B (20%) on Yes, 4393.47 B (80%) on No | closed 1 week 4 days ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1DcnimO )

03:11:49 mircea_popescu: "i don't remember seeing before the parts i don't like seeing today"

03:13:30 *: asciilifeform missed the gigantic 'no' bets after september's series

03:13:58 thestringpuller: lol bitbet is loading real slow today

03:14:23 mircea_popescu: in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/ecdea68078cfd3012de4b5bcda14f134/tumblr_mf6t4ill071rytnogo1_1280.jpg

03:14:25 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1DcnEtF )

03:14:40 asciilifeform: !up decimation

03:15:30 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: l0l!!!

03:16:36 TheNewDeal: ;;bids 216.9

03:16:37 gribble: Bitstamp | There are currently 4213.9171 bitcoins demanded at or over 216.9 USD, worth 952292.397478 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0219 seconds

03:17:56 trinque: mircea_popescu: nice jurassic park poster

03:18:26 cazalla: trinque, lulz i just thought that

03:18:34 cazalla: "oh, jurassic park"

03:19:24 cazalla: is the other one the little mermaid?

03:19:34 mircea_popescu: lol

03:28:03 decimation: asciilifeform: http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/psychology-journal-bans-significance-testing/ < teaching the statistics 'controversy'

03:28:04 assbot: Psychology Journal Bans Significance Testing « Science-Based Medicine ... ( http://bit.ly/1DcpHO9 )

03:28:25 decimation: 'nobody understands what p-values mean so let's ban them'

03:28:44 asciilifeform: lulzies

03:28:53 asciilifeform: who the fuck even cares what these clowns do now.

03:29:08 asciilifeform: let them stand on head, crap in own mouth

03:29:32 decimation: surprisingly when left to their own devices they choose... more clownishness

03:31:18 decimation: related: http://www.slate.com/articles/life/education/2015/02/university_hiring_if_you_didn_t_get_your_ph_d_at_an_elite_university_good.html?wpsrc=fol_fb < The data revealed that just a quarter of all universities account for 71 to 86 percent of all tenure-track faculty in the U.S. and Canada in these three fields. Just 18 elite universities produce half of all computer science professors, 16 schools produce half of all business

03:31:20 assbot: University hiring: If you didn't get your Ph.D. at an elite university, good luck finding an academic job. ... ( http://bit.ly/1DXSDPi )

03:31:20 decimation: professors, and eight schools account for half of all history professors.

03:37:39 decimation: http://tgeonetta.com/cost-of-living-vs-salary-best-cities-for-software-developers-and-engineers/ < heh. apparently programmers in the new york 'profit' about $16k per year

03:37:40 assbot: Cost of Living vs Salary – Best Cities for Software Developers and Engineers | Tyler Geonetta ... ( http://bit.ly/1DXTMqh )

03:38:19 decimation: with that, good night

03:38:21 asciilifeform: probably skewed by handful of 'quants'

03:40:57 thestringpuller: asciilifeform: i just learned the gasenwagen was invented by the russians

03:41:13 asciilifeform: according to one version, there was a ru wagen in the '30s

03:41:45 thestringpuller: The gas van was invented in the Soviet Union in 1936, by Isay Berg, the head of the administrative and economic department of the NKVD of Moscow Oblast which suffocated batches of prisoners with engine fumes in a camouflaged bread van while on the drive out to the mass graves at Butovo, where the prisoners were subsequently buried.

03:42:19 asciilifeform: iirc ^ was a bit of a 'ufo', based on hearsay

03:44:27 thestringpuller: The gas van was invented in the Soviet Union in 1936, by Isay Berg, the head of the administrative and economic department of the NKVD of Moscow Oblast which suffocated batches of prisoners with engine fumes in a camouflaged bread van while on the drive out to the mass graves at Butovo, where the prisoners were subsequently buried.

03:44:32 thestringpuller: OOPS

03:44:48 thestringpuller: "A converted 24-seat bus, the execution van keeps the appearance of a normal police van on the outside with no markings indicating its purpose. The rear of the vehicle houses a windowless chamber where the execution takes place. Several cameras are present and feed closed-circuit televisions in the front of the van; a recording can be made if desired. The bed itself slides out of the wall under its own power, on which the convi

03:45:13 asciilifeform: ^ chinese injection bus

03:45:27 *: danielpbarron didn't realize the wagon itself did the gassing

03:45:37 asciilifeform: danielpbarron: in the german variant

03:45:38 danielpbarron: i thought it was like the trains that took people to the camps

03:46:01 *: thestringpuller wonders when US will have their version.

03:48:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26300 @ 0.00041298 = 10.8614 BTC [+] {3}

04:20:07 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-02-2015#1034069 >> http://38.media.tumblr.com/8549e983b82f586a7b5211530c13aa25/tumblr_mw2l1tYpSl1ra163eo7_250.gif

04:20:07 assbot: Logged on 26-02-2015 02:54:26; asciilifeform: !s teaching the controversy

04:20:08 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1DVtIdS )

04:23:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21346 @ 0.00042119 = 8.9907 BTC [+]

04:35:54 thestringpuller: i have no idea what is going on in that gif

04:45:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83950 @ 0.00041015 = 34.4321 BTC [-]

05:09:39 asciilifeform: http://38.media.tumblr.com/8549e983b82f586a7b5211530c13aa25/tumblr_mw2l1tYpSl1ra163eo7_250.gif << arse-mouth system (tm) !!

05:09:41 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1ESkJc2 )

06:03:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20210 @ 0.00040984 = 8.2829 BTC [-] {2}

06:05:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3369 @ 0.00040926 = 1.3788 BTC [-]

06:06:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55249 @ 0.00040721 = 22.4979 BTC [-] {2}

06:18:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36765 @ 0.00041151 = 15.1292 BTC [+] {2}

06:19:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37989 @ 0.00040663 = 15.4475 BTC [-]

06:22:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16183 @ 0.00040612 = 6.5722 BTC [-] {2}

06:23:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91241 @ 0.00040372 = 36.8358 BTC [-]

06:31:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 234259 @ 0.00040369 = 94.568 BTC [-] {2}

06:34:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68244 @ 0.0003993 = 27.2498 BTC [-] {3}

07:10:10 thestringpuller: ;;market buy 100000

07:10:11 gribble: Bitstamp | This order would exceed the size of the order book. You would buy 12464.151 bitcoins, for a total of 5694585.6424 USD and take the price to 99999.0000. | Data vintage: 0.0216 seconds

08:12:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44933 @ 0.00039836 = 17.8995 BTC [-] {2}

08:18:17 pete_dushenski: ;;later tell cazalla let's see if this works for qntra submission: https://dpaste.de/8vo7/raw

08:18:18 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1vB3rju )

08:18:18 gribble: The operation succeeded.

08:18:36 pete_dushenski: ;;later tell BingoBoingo samesies: https://dpaste.de/8vo7/raw

08:18:36 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1vB3snL )

08:18:36 gribble: The operation succeeded.

08:28:16 kakobrekla: !rate assbot 1 test

08:28:16 assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/76d080d7695378d3

08:28:26 kakobrekla: seems to work?

08:31:33 cazalla: ;;later tell pete_dushenski works fine!

08:31:34 gribble: The operation succeeded.

08:32:56 cazalla: ;;later tell mircea_popescu Bitcoin is not your toy, OK! http://qntra.net/2015/01/the-hard-fork-missile-crisis/#comment-11703

08:32:57 assbot: The Hard Fork Missile Crisis | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1vB5vIe )

08:32:57 gribble: The operation succeeded.

08:43:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33150 @ 0.00039485 = 13.0893 BTC [-] {2}

08:57:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64582 @ 0.00039383 = 25.4343 BTC [-]

09:22:36 BingoBoingo: That was some good sleep

09:23:00 cazalla: http://dailycaller.com/2015/02/25/citing-stigma-the-university-of-minnesota-removes-race-descriptions-in-crime-alerts/

09:23:01 assbot: U. Of Minnesota Removes Race Descriptions In Crime Alerts | The Daily Caller ... ( http://bit.ly/1Auy9eD )

09:23:32 cazalla: BingoBoingo, how many hours?

09:23:55 BingoBoingo: cazalla: A solid 9-10

09:24:23 BingoBoingo: lots of vivid, memorable REM phases

09:24:24 cazalla: ah, the life of a qntra writer/bachelor!

09:24:43 cazalla: i've had 2 nights straight of dreams where people get hit by trains

09:30:13 BingoBoingo: There were mazes, girls, low speed chases, shootouts, and orgies of celebration... Basically I dream in action movies

09:30:38 cazalla: i love those ones

09:32:14 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: thank you for nominating me to tae Patraeus's chair at central Intelligence

09:33:24 BingoBoingo: I'd basically be doing what, loading trucks with office supplies and busses headed to the Uranium mines?

09:54:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51350 @ 0.00039383 = 20.2232 BTC [-]

09:55:39 kakobrekla: http://img-9gag-ftw.9cache.com/photo/aArDBM2_460sv.mp4

09:55:40 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1BySkdJ )

09:58:19 BingoBoingo: Nice one

09:59:35 trinque: https://blockchain.info/address/1BkCTj36DMdcF8TVa1by9zfwdcMFm3VAES << deedin'

09:59:37 assbot: Bitcoin Address 1BkCTj36DMdcF8TVa1by9zfwdcMFm3VAES ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dt7rTi )

10:22:33 punkman: BingoBoingo: There were mazes, girls, low speed chases, shootouts, and orgies of celebration... Basically I dream in action movies << why is maze/chase/shootout such a common theme? always comes up when discussing dreams

10:24:30 BingoBoingo: punkman: I dunno really. In this one chase followed having fun in the maze with the girl and started when girl began throwing rocks at the police from the maze

10:28:23 trinque: punkman: seems like they're for simulating situations that'd be riskier to learn from in the real world

10:28:52 trinque: fucking drunks brawling outside...

10:29:09 trinque: not a good fight either; I think the one winning is crying

10:29:15 BingoBoingo: trinque> fucking drunks brawling outside... << It's nature, let it happen

10:29:30 trinque: I went outside and watched a bit, but it was pitiful

10:29:39 trinque: crack may have played a factor

10:36:42 BingoBoingo: That might make it more pitiful

10:48:59 punkman: trinque, last time that happened I threw bucket of water on the loudest ass

10:50:27 trinque: mircea_popescu: hello there. https://blockchain.info/address/1BkCTj36DMdcF8TVa1by9zfwdcMFm3VAES

10:50:29 assbot: Bitcoin Address 1BkCTj36DMdcF8TVa1by9zfwdcMFm3VAES ... ( http://bit.ly/1FwwogC )

10:50:36 mircea_popescu: cazalla you know there's a word for this, among people who shovel this particular sort of elephant shit for a living (mostly, clinical psychiatrist)

10:50:50 mircea_popescu: not sure what it is in english, tho im sure it must exist. perhaps something like "shamanistic narrative".

10:51:15 mircea_popescu: basically, the story the 13 yo mutters to herself under her breath to replace unwelcome reality.

10:51:31 mircea_popescu: trinque hey. wassat ?

10:51:36 trinque: some deedin

10:51:46 mircea_popescu: o cool!

10:51:47 mircea_popescu: website ?

10:51:47 trinque: finishing the upload guy

10:51:54 trinque: deedbot.org is where it will be shortly

10:51:58 mircea_popescu: coolness.

10:52:39 mircea_popescu: brb writing some about when i was young.

10:52:43 trinque: this experience will have me lobbying harder for sqlite in the foundation's client in the future

10:52:46 trinque: mircea_popescu: k

10:55:32 *: BingoBoingo thinks key/value store in "bitcoind -base" prolly fine fancier databases prolly belong in "bitcoind -bchainindexer" when the functionality gets atomized, but take opinion here with hefty pile of salt

10:56:18 trinque: BingoBoingo: it's worth thinking about for a long time, for sure

10:57:25 trinque: though if the goal is a perfect client, I think a real database offers helpful tools

10:58:03 trinque: perfect meaning the data is *never* munged

11:03:04 trinque: getting utxos, right? that's left-join-where-null between the outputs table and the inputs table

11:04:26 trinque: seems like what you want is something where you can express the logic of bitcoin clearly, look at it, and say yup, that is bitcoin

11:07:29 punkman: sqlite would be an order of magnitude more reliable than bdb/leveldb

11:08:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16970 @ 0.00042097 = 7.1439 BTC [+] {2}

11:09:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14278 @ 0.00042119 = 6.0138 BTC [+]

11:10:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9302 @ 0.00042444 = 3.9481 BTC [+] {2}

11:57:56 mircea_popescu: digging through fraudsters (fuck it, i can't find an article hot damn) i found a 2011 pick-up guide. http://fraudsters.com/2011/cum-ne-imprietenim-heterosexual/

11:57:57 assbot: Cum ne imprietenim heterosexual pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1vBB9Wa )

11:58:00 mircea_popescu: it's pretty great.

12:00:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22050 @ 0.00040266 = 8.8787 BTC [-]

12:04:40 danielpbarron: height=229694 vs height=193386

12:05:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29100 @ 0.00040266 = 11.7174 BTC [-]

12:07:12 jurov: asciilifeform, it was actually accepted and distributed but not archived :/

12:10:32 jurov: no actually it is: http://ml.therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000051.html

12:40:00 trinque: http://deedbot.org/ << there be deeds

12:40:01 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JQ3pe0 )

12:40:10 trinque: at least test ones

12:40:41 trinque: everything works; tomorrow I'll go over the thing looking for derps, then park it in here for actual use

12:42:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20377 @ 0.00039899 = 8.1302 BTC [-] {2}

12:43:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36166 @ 0.00039299 = 14.2129 BTC [-]

12:54:28 mats: "The combined effect of those separation costs and the hit from the strong dollar will almost halve HP's free cash flow this fiscal year to about $3.5 billion to $4 billion, down from three months ago when it forecast $6.5 billion to $7 billion."

12:54:56 mats: yowch

13:00:20 thestringpuller: they still make a good printer

13:01:12 thestringpuller: jurov: i can't get to that page. "page not available"

13:01:26 thestringpuller: !up nubbins` hello there good sir

13:01:41 nubbins`: ty

13:01:51 nubbins`: assbot otp down

13:02:01 nubbins`: hp may make a good printer, but epson makes a better one

13:02:33 nubbins`: for that matter, Brother laser machines are pretty sweet too

13:06:38 kakobrekla: !rate assbot 1 test

13:06:38 assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/b6b4537ebb68f02c

13:06:47 kakobrekla: works here ?

13:07:36 kakobrekla: anyone cant see that url ?

13:09:10 trinque: kakobrekla: works

13:25:38 jurov: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000051.html damn i meant this thestringpuller

13:25:38 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1BzQvwZ )

13:26:27 jurov: and http://w.b-a.link/otp/b6b4537ebb68f02c says "Bad request, could not find the requested OTP."

13:26:28 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1BzQKIy )

13:29:34 danielpbarron: it expired, probably

13:29:48 danielpbarron: it worked for me 25 minutes ago

13:41:25 BingoBoingo: !up nubbins`

13:52:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91150 @ 0.00040397 = 36.8219 BTC [+]

14:03:57 chetty: http://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/jan/18/modern-world-bad-for-brain-daniel-j-levitin-organized-mind-information-overload

14:03:58 assbot: Why the modern world is bad for your brain | Science | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1LLQAPB )

14:07:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31000 @ 0.00039732 = 12.3169 BTC [-]

14:46:45 lobbes: "Now more people have mobile phones than have toilets. This has created an implicit expectation that you should be able to reach someone when it is convenient for you, regardless of whether it is convenient for them. This expectation is so ingrained that people in meetings routinely answer their mobile phones to say, “I’m sorry, I can’t talk now, I’m in a meeting.” Just a decade or two ago, those same people would h

14:46:45 lobbes: ave let a landline on their desk go unanswered during a meeting, so different were the expectations for reachability." << Heh, I've seen people do this.. still strikes me as rude

15:00:22 BingoBoingo: !up pete_dushenski

15:00:27 BingoBoingo: !up PeterL

15:00:48 pete_dushenski: thx bb!

15:01:29 pete_dushenski: scoopbot -fetch

15:05:00 pete_dushenski: “a politician who stays poor is poor at politics.” -hank gonzalez, mexican politician

15:09:24 pete_dushenski: scoopbot -fetch

15:09:52 fluffypony: "a poor person who stays poor is poor at money." - fluffy pony, equine

15:10:04 pete_dushenski: "network effects anyone?! Early adopters are important people because ADOPTION!" << twitter dood derping at me about pgp adoption

15:10:27 pete_dushenski: "because ADOPTION" is my new favourite slogan for redditards et al.

15:10:39 pete_dushenski: fluffypony lol

15:10:53 fluffypony: we should put pgp in the blockchain

15:11:03 fluffypony: GPGChain

15:11:14 fluffypony: powered by GPGCoin

15:13:02 pete_dushenski: if only this were still 2013, y'know we might have a shot at fleecing some kids with that

15:13:24 lobbes: hell, you probably still can on scamcointalk

15:14:04 fluffypony: lol

15:14:11 pete_dushenski: i would be... impressed if that were still so

15:14:21 fluffypony: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Afl9WFGJE0M

15:14:22 assbot: V for Varoufakis | NEO MAGAZIN ROYALE mit Jan Böhmermann - ZDFneo - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1FxEAgy )

15:23:01 pete_dushenski: scoopbot: and don't come back until you sort out your differences with contravex!

15:27:27 nubbins`: re: phones and expectations

15:27:34 nubbins`: there's a really, really easy solution to this

15:27:41 thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: still can't get scoopbot to announce contravex articles?

15:27:55 nubbins`: turn off the ring and vibrate functions on your phone, and leave them off.

15:28:06 nubbins`: suddenly, it doesn't run your life anymore

15:28:08 pete_dushenski: thestringpuller still.

15:28:26 PeterL: I figured out that python doesn't seem to like some of contravex's titles

15:28:28 pete_dushenski: nubbins` lol i thought you were talking about the tracking device part for a sec

15:28:36 nubbins`: heh nah

15:28:55 pete_dushenski: http://qntra.net/2015/02/your-cellphone-is-a-tracking-device-that-relays-your-conversations-in-plaintext/

15:28:55 assbot: Your Cellphone Is A Tracking Device That Relays Your Conversations In Plaintext | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1FxJ46X )

15:29:00 nubbins`: nothing says "i'm an annoying piece of shit" than an audible call/text noise

15:29:03 chetty: <nubbins`> turn off the ring and vibrate functions on your phone, and leave them off.// most people just cant do that, already addicted

15:29:08 PeterL: but scoopbot was not looking at the titles, so I am kinda at a loss as to why it doesn't like contravex

15:29:10 thestringpuller: nubbins`: i do this with texts. No vibration no sound. Have to put it on ring profile for them to make a noise. But usually you start to check messages when you feel like it rather than compulsively.

15:29:15 pete_dushenski: ^i'm even reduced to scooping for qntra now.

15:29:29 thestringpuller: chetty: information addiction is treatable tho

15:29:39 nubbins`: chetty most people don't *want* to

15:29:51 chetty: nubbins`, +++

15:30:00 pete_dushenski: it's the lowest calorie addiciton going

15:30:02 nubbins`: they're secretly pleased every time their phone dings in the presence of others

15:30:11 pete_dushenski: you can't see your brain turning into a fat, slothful mess

15:30:26 nubbins`: thestringpuller the "down side" is that for the first few weeks, people get snarky with you

15:30:35 nubbins`: but after a few "yeah, i leave it on silent"s

15:30:40 nubbins`: they adjust their expectations

15:30:46 nubbins`: !up pete_dushenski PeterL

15:30:51 nubbins`: !up PeterL

15:30:59 pete_dushenski: ty

15:31:16 thestringpuller: nubbins`: i find those who get snarky are the most addicted.

15:31:42 nubbins`: "didn't you see my texts?!?!?!?! i texted you 8 times!!!!!"

15:31:55 nubbins`: y'know, just in case the first 7 "ding!!!!"s were missed

15:32:17 thestringpuller: nubbins`: one symptom of information addiction is "forgets to callback". People who check their phone compulsively will see a text or missed call and make note in working memory to get back with the person.

15:32:32 nubbins`: and never do

15:32:33 chetty: <<< power out day before yesterday, discovered I forgot to charge my phone, for oh about 2 weeks :)

15:32:38 nubbins`: until they see em at the bar two weeks later

15:32:42 nubbins`: "oh, dude, right"

15:32:49 nubbins`: chetty :D

15:32:59 mircea_popescu: <trinque> http://deedbot.org/ << there be deeds << cool. why are some repeated ?

15:33:00 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1FxKnTa )

15:33:03 thestringpuller: nubbins`: yes. very similar to symptoms of ADHD.

15:33:07 nubbins`: we have no landline, so i try not to leave mine dead for more than a few hours at a time

15:33:59 nubbins`: !up soypirate

15:34:03 nubbins`: hola, pirate

15:34:05 nubbins`: soy nubbins

15:34:34 chetty: nubbins`, yeah got to admit I was a little annoyed with myself, no landline here either so no phone charged was kinda dumb

15:34:41 mircea_popescu: This expectation is so ingrained that people in meetings routinely answer their mobile phones to say << maybe what has really changed is the expectation re meetings. just a decade or two ago, people would have expected meetings to serve a rational purpose and end with a result.

15:34:49 mircea_popescu: neither is the case today, people just hang around.

15:34:51 nubbins`: (incidentally, why does all the milk in the organic section loudly proclaim "I'M MILK!" in spanish?

15:35:19 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: this is very precise.

15:35:19 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski> "because ADOPTION" is my new favourite slogan for redditards et al. << orphans seeking adoption. nothing wrong with the picture.

15:35:36 nubbins`: mircea_popescu i recall at one office job, my boss' boss' boss was getting a promotion, and so called all 120 programmers into a boardroom, 30 at a time, to explain about his new responsibilities but nothing will change for the rest of us

15:35:46 mircea_popescu: right /

15:35:48 nubbins`: guy stole 120 hours on the company. a month's work. when an email woulda done

15:35:56 nubbins`: this is what meetings are

15:35:58 mircea_popescu: so why wouldn't you answer the phone. it's more like a boring highschool class than a meeting.

15:36:30 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: people just hang around << i find this is because people lack focus during the meeting. You stay on topic until someone mentions something off topic. "Blah blah blha pink floyd" "Oh you like pink floyd?" 30 minutes later you realize you're still talking about a 70's rock band and not about that thing you're supposed to be meeting about.

15:36:34 mircea_popescu: no he was being proactive and communicaty or whatchamacallit.

15:36:44 nubbins`: yeah

15:36:50 nubbins`: doing his due diligence on a go-forward basis

15:36:55 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller lack of focus lack of schmokus. it's because they're impotent. they know they're impotent.

15:36:59 mircea_popescu: what else to do ?

15:37:08 nubbins`: mind you, this was the head of IT

15:37:20 nubbins`: "how do i get my sound turned on?" head of IT

15:37:30 *: nubbins` shudders at memory

15:37:43 nubbins`: incidentally, last monday was my 2-year anniversary of retirement

15:38:11 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: what else to do ? << learn to concentrate better instead of being a fucking child?

15:38:20 nubbins`: folks: "any regrets?" me: "not doing it sooner"

15:38:28 PeterL: get better co-workers?

15:41:13 mircea_popescu: nubbins` turned on as in, sexually ?

15:42:30 nubbins`: turned on, as in i wanna hear the angry birds smash the pigs

15:43:37 nubbins`: it was at this job that i realized just because you work as a computer programmer, doesn't mean you know even the basics of what computers are and how they work

15:44:08 nubbins`: "right-click and copy that" "what?"

15:44:22 nubbins`: "o.O"

15:46:06 BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2015/02/gpg-criticism-reaches-new-low-as-use-cases-expand/

15:46:07 assbot: GPG Criticism Reaches New Low As Use Cases Expand | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1JQExCW )

15:46:15 chetty: being clueless about the actual tech is what gets you the promotion

15:47:48 pete_dushenski: nice write-up BingoBoingo !

15:47:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 137950 @ 0.000404 = 55.7318 BTC [+] {3}

15:52:11 nubbins`: chetty plenty of amoebas floating around in the upper levels

15:52:24 pete_dushenski: "The U.S. Department of the Treasury’s Bureau of the Fiscal Service (Fiscal Service) today announced that Pay.gov, the government’s secure web based collection portal for payments to federal agencies, now offers both PayPal and Dwolla as payment options." << from a few days ago.

15:52:35 nubbins`: once an incompetent worker reaches a certain longevity, their dismissal is tacit admittance that they've been fooling everyone all along

15:52:58 nubbins`: so rather than facing "yep, we've let this dead weight collect a cheque for 15 years"

15:53:07 pete_dushenski: ^"please don't use cash for anything ever because only bad people use cash"

15:53:09 nubbins`: they just give 'em a different job in another department

15:54:15 nubbins`: which, if it didn't accompany a pay raise, would engender the same line of questioning as a dismissal

15:54:38 mircea_popescu: nubbins` pretty much has it.

15:54:57 nubbins`: eventually they learn their way around enough that latecomers can easily be fooled into thinking that the variety speak is representative of skill, not imitation

15:55:42 nubbins`: "who, alex? he's been here longer than i have! knows the place inside out!"

15:55:49 nubbins`: but all of alex's projects are always fucked up and late

15:56:23 nubbins`: usually due to "external factors" or "changing requirements"

15:57:01 mircea_popescu: the problem essentially is that specialist groups do need a variety talk, however "politeness" combined with that results into a lot of nooks and crannies where alex can hide.

15:57:10 nubbins`: absolutely

15:57:11 mircea_popescu: it's not coincidental that all successful specialist groups are irreverent.

15:57:30 nubbins`: when a large, once-profitable company suddenly goes belly-up or massively scales back, you can expect to find a high percentage of alexes on the payroll

15:58:04 mircea_popescu: you can also expect to find the last time someone made fart jokes publicly @ the expense of people present buried under at least a decade of history.

15:58:19 nubbins`: bahahahaha.

16:01:14 nubbins`: incidentally, you could go on a meaty tangent about public employees right about here

16:01:19 nubbins`: i'm gonna abstain

16:02:13 mircea_popescu: lol wut ? abstinence only sex ed ?

16:02:43 thestringpuller: !up pete_dushenski

16:03:23 pete_dushenski: ty!

16:05:28 pete_dushenski: ;;ticker

16:05:30 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 236.89, Best ask: 236.99, Bid-ask spread: 0.10000, Last trade: 236.99, 24 hour volume: 5556.79789999, 24 hour low: 234.01, 24 hour high: 239.31, 24 hour vwap: 236.80126748

16:05:33 nubbins`: mp ok i'm gonna pull out, then

16:05:36 nubbins`: how bout that?

16:06:47 mircea_popescu: !up ga

16:06:56 mircea_popescu: nubbins` lol winner.

16:07:10 nubbins`: :D

16:09:07 lobbes: re: meetings << Even when they are on-topic, they are rarely organized. I've actually overheard someone in a phone meeting: "we're having a lack of communication about x, I think we should have a meeting on it"

16:15:49 []bot: Bet placed: 11 BTC for No on "Gold to drop under $1000 before April 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1119/ Odds: 5(Y):95(N) by coin, 6(Y):94(N) by weight. Total bet: 36.4954 BTC. Current weight: 66,312.

16:16:35 lobbes: pete_dushenski: yeah, I received an email from Dwolla the other day about them partnering with usg.. made me happy I never did any transactions with them.

16:17:39 pete_dushenski: ya whatever happened to dwolla anyways ?

16:17:58 pete_dushenski: vis-a-vis bitcoin...

16:18:05 lobbes: good question

16:18:06 pete_dushenski: were they just a mt gox thing ?

16:19:16 mike_c: they were briefly the best way to get usd to mt gox, i don't think they've done anything since.

16:22:03 mircea_popescu: the usdwolla thing is not news in any sense anyway.

16:30:13 danielpbarron: http://danielpbarron.com/pogo/howto.txt << if anyone wants to make an "adult" pogo, i have some instructions documented here

16:30:14 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1DWH0qn )

16:31:59 asciilifeform: danielpbarron: neato. could use some asciiart

16:32:26 danielpbarron: what kind? you mean diagrams? or just a fancy header?

16:32:46 asciilifeform: diagram

16:33:04 danielpbarron: hrm.. i'll see what i can come up with (warning, might be ugly!)

16:33:33 danielpbarron: in the meantime i reference .jpeg images of the most important things to see

16:33:47 asciilifeform: emacs 'artist-mode' helps

16:34:57 asciilifeform: jurov: any idea why turdatron hiccupped the way it did? curious thing

16:35:23 asciilifeform: and yes, it seems to show now, http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000051.html

16:35:24 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1DWHDjK )

16:36:57 mircea_popescu: When I say, "Read the source," I mean, read Satoshi.

16:37:04 mircea_popescu: ahahaha epic,

16:37:05 asciilifeform: waiwat

16:37:10 danielpbarron: I have never seen, let alone used, emacs

16:37:56 asciilifeform: danielpbarron: fortunately, should you wish to see emacs, there is no need to cross the equator and make your way through the jaguars to the ocelots

16:38:28 danielpbarron: :D

16:40:22 asciilifeform: 'I've never sailed the Amazon, / And I've never reached Brazil; / But the Don and Magdelana, / They can go there when they will!'

16:49:18 BingoBoingo: http://miamiherald.typepad.com/fish_bytes/2015/02/check-out-stantons-helmet.html

16:49:19 assbot: Check Out Stanton's Strange New Helmet | Fish Bytes ... ( http://bit.ly/1DWJlla )

16:58:37 pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2015/02/26/the-slaughtering-of-a-bull/

16:58:38 assbot: The slaughtering of a bull. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1DWKwB4 )

16:58:54 pete_dushenski: ^so much for my 'free health club membership'

16:59:27 pete_dushenski: dat waterfall played spoiler on my bullish cockiness

17:02:01 trinque: +mircea_popescu | <trinque> http://deedbot.org/ << there be deeds << cool. why are some repeated ? << test values; I published bundles with the same messages a few times while working

17:02:02 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/17BiWNl )

17:02:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56500 @ 0.00039696 = 22.4282 BTC [-]

17:02:38 trinque: I'll clear out what's currently uploaded when I have deedbot join

17:02:51 *: trinque goes back to sleep

17:03:36 pete_dushenski: danielpbarron nice work on the adult pogo guide!

17:04:21 *: pete_dushenski wonders if he'll ever be an adult by this measure

17:04:53 BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Congrats on setting yourself up to meet "Artist Mode"

17:04:59 pete_dushenski: random lady on twitter: "Pete I had money taken out of my bitcoin wallet (block chain) on 2014-09-16 Can you tell me where to go for help?"

17:05:09 pete_dushenski: me: "Help? What help? This is Bitcoin."

17:07:42 mike_c: pete_dushenski: kudos for posting the follow up on that :)

17:08:12 mike_c: I was wondering how that ended up.

17:09:18 *: BingoBoingo was expecting it last month, Waterfall wasn't as strong as my gut feared.

17:09:49 mike_c: omg that dilbert cartoon :D where's my favorite TA when i need him

17:09:57 mike_c: ;;seen thickasthieves

17:09:57 gribble: thickasthieves was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 16 weeks, 3 days, 1 hour, 53 minutes, and 17 seconds ago: <ThickAsThieves> but you da boss

17:10:26 mike_c: "you should buy a stock whenver the chart looks like a squirrel sitting on a clown's shoulder"

17:11:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27718 @ 0.00039696 = 11.0029 BTC [-]

17:13:52 pete_dushenski: mike_c lol my pleasure :D

17:14:47 pete_dushenski: dilbert's been on a roll with this pointy-haired investment advice series

17:19:06 mats: http://www.monbiot.com/2011/10/31/wealth-destroyers

17:19:07 assbot: Wealth Destroyers | George Monbiot ... ( http://bit.ly/17Bkua1 )

17:21:05 pete_dushenski: where have i seen monbiot's name before ?

17:21:09 pete_dushenski: !s monbiot

17:21:10 assbot: 0 results for 'monbiot' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=monbiot

17:21:27 mats: do you read the guardian often?

17:21:48 mats: http://www.theguardian.com/environment/georgemonbiot/2015/jan/23/community-energy-companies-big-six-big-society

17:21:50 assbot: With this attack on community energy the 'big six' win out over big society | George Monbiot | Environment | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1DWNrK9 )

17:22:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70900 @ 0.00039653 = 28.114 BTC [-] {2}

17:23:09 mats: http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/mar/03/rich-landowners-farmers-welfare-nfu-defra another good one

17:23:10 assbot: The welfare dependants the government loves? Rich landowners | George Monbiot | Comment is free | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1DWNF41 )

17:25:53 thestringpuller: so i'm on an All Hands call for the marketing department

17:26:13 thestringpuller: if I was plaiyng the "take a shot when buzzword is used" drinking game

17:26:17 thestringpuller: i'd be drunk by now

17:26:46 fluffypony: cloud!

17:27:35 lobbes: 'x as a service'

17:28:24 mircea_popescu: that cap agricultural benefits thing is uniquely misguided.

17:29:13 mircea_popescu: "rich" does not mean what the poor imagine it means. the notion of running a farm on 26k subsidies a year... heh.

17:30:05 mircea_popescu: here's the thing : just because inflation has made every pauper think he holds money doesn't change the fact that a farmer today is worth a hundred million just by simply maintaining equality with a farmer of relatively the same social importance back in 1615.

17:31:59 BingoBoingo: Or they've surrendered in some cases to being a form of sharecropper. Depends on what and where they farm as well as how daddy ran the business

17:32:09 mircea_popescu: james smith's farm fed five hundred people in 1615. these aren't "500 out of the total pop of 5mn" for the same reason discussed in the thread about "average life expectancy"

17:32:18 mircea_popescu: most of those 5mn picked rags in london.

17:33:08 mircea_popescu: keeping the same *proportions* that farm's easily running deficits of millions today, for the reasons explained in http://fraudsters.com/2013/the-corn-thing/

17:33:09 assbot: The corn thing pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/17BlGKJ )

17:33:50 mircea_popescu: if the chem lobby seriously wants to strangle the pretty farm girl, that's one thing. but framing that discussion in terms of "rich" is about as helpful as proposing beer is better than wine because it bubbles.

17:35:25 asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNw95c75g7o << obligatory

17:35:26 assbot: Eat recycled food for a happier healthier life --- (Judge Dredd movie) -watch stoned - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1DWPii2 )

17:37:28 BingoBoingo: http://www.themaschhoffs.com/about/who_we_are/ << Headquarts is large steel and glass building many miles from any place charitably labeled a "town" One farmer many sharecroppers http://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/news/2014/07/28/the-maschhoffs-buys-2-indiana-pig-farms.html

17:37:31 assbot: Who We Are - The Maschhoffs ... ( http://bit.ly/1DWPAWf )

17:37:33 assbot: The Maschhoffs buys 2 Indiana pig farms - St. Louis Business Journal ... ( http://bit.ly/1DWPBt3 )

17:38:27 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform -watch stoned << lol!

17:40:46 thestringpuller: ;;goog site:fraudsters.com in which you become corn

17:40:47 gribble: Error: "goog" is not a valid command.

17:40:50 thestringpuller: ;;google site:fraudsters.com in which you become corn

17:40:51 gribble: Wikileaks - MCLXII pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: http://fraudsters.com/wikileaks-mclxii; How to enter Failville pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: http://fraudsters.com/how-to-enter-failville; Wikileaks - MCCLVII pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: http://fraudsters.com/wikileaks-mcclvii

17:45:00 chetty: As promised, President Obama is using executive actions to impose gun control on the nation, targeting the top-selling rifle in the country, the AR-15 style semi-automatic, with a ban on one of the most-used AR bullets by sportsmen and target shooters.

17:45:39 asciilifeform: chetty: link ?

17:46:45 chetty: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/article/2560750

17:46:46 assbot: Obama to ban bullets by executive action, threatens top-selling AR-15 rifle | WashingtonExaminer.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1DWQXEg )

17:47:58 BingoBoingo: Oh, now I'm syncing blocks from when I started sync'ing

17:48:00 BingoBoingo: http://patriotpost.us/articles/33184

17:48:01 assbot: ATF Aims to Ban Popular AR-15 Ammo — The Patriot Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1DWR7vt )

17:48:28 BingoBoingo: "Comments period" ends March 16th

17:49:44 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: can't find the article which talks about kids in US being analagous to growing corn

17:49:47 thestringpuller: circa 2013

17:49:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25000 @ 0.00039299 = 9.8248 BTC [-]

17:50:23 asciilifeform: 'There is just one set of rules that are effective and widely deployed: those that enforce the destruction of the natural world. Buried in the cross-compliance regulations is a measure called GAEC 12. This insists that, to receive their money, farmers must prevent "unwanted vegetation" from growing on their land. (The rest of us call it wildlife habitat.) Even if their land is producing nothing, they must cut, graze or spray i

17:50:23 asciilifeform: t with herbicides to get their money. Unlike soil erosion, compaction and pollution, breaches of this rule are easy to detect and enforce: if the inspectors see trees returning to the land, the subsidy can be cut off altogether.'

17:50:25 BingoBoingo: "But M855 has well-documented shortcomings against soft targets (see Somalia, Iraq, etc.) The other common loading, M193, is more effective against soft targets. So the side effect of this ruling would be that more AR-15 owners would buy rounds that are more effective in the typical domestic shooting. The only people this rule change protects is the government, whose varmints wear Kevlar."

17:53:51 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=17-02-2015#1022476

17:53:51 assbot: Logged on 17-02-2015 18:26:21; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: destroying the "industrial" paradigm << expand on this. recall also the thread where we discussed how pashtun blacksmiths can make kalash, yes they can, not not one of them can make a single 7.62x39 round from brass scrap

17:54:10 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller http://fraudsters.com/2014/in-which-you-become-grain/

17:54:11 assbot: In which you become grain pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1DWRV3q )

17:54:17 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Seems to be much like that

17:54:22 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: it was clear to anyone who gives a fuck that usg would target ammunition, rather than small arms per se, when it 'gets serious'

17:54:26 thestringpuller: grain not corn. thanks mircea_popescu

17:54:53 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: it is possible, with current tech, to recycle shells in jungle conditions, but not to produce them, or primers, or bullet adequate for modern rifle

17:55:58 BingoBoingo: "Reloading" cases fine, powders common... engineered primers and bullets far less so

17:56:32 mircea_popescu: the "3d printed" guns were obviously going to push towards regulation of bullets.

17:57:02 mircea_popescu: all these kids hoping that some sort of magical "tech" is going to get them into the girl's panties were very poorly parented. apparently nobody told them any of the numerous genie stories.

17:57:12 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: for some odd reason, the plumping shop 'guns' popular since '50s - didn't

17:57:17 mircea_popescu: "you don't refine your query, numbnuts. you BECOME the genie."

17:57:21 BingoBoingo: More mundane calibers (revolvers, mundane stuff) cast lead bullets are still fine

17:57:37 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo not if you want to cause actual damage

17:57:42 mircea_popescu: where's that matasareanu article...

17:57:47 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: may as well suggest arbalest

17:57:57 asciilifeform: ^ works quite well against unadorned kevlar, one might add

17:57:57 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2011/strategii-in-lupta-antisociala/

17:57:57 assbot: Strategii in lupta antisociala pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/17BnXp9 )

17:58:02 mircea_popescu: i suppose i should translate this huh..

17:58:35 BingoBoingo: Just Kalash and stoner rifle require "cleaner" bullets.

17:58:55 mircea_popescu: brb translating

17:59:16 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: anything that semi/auto cycles needs modern shell, to ~.1mm tolerance or so

17:59:36 asciilifeform: that or 'caseless' strange (never, afaik, really perfected, despite ocean of money)

17:59:57 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Right. Also with Stoner rifle, Gas fouling is a problem with unplated bullets.

18:00:13 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> that or 'caseless' strange (never, afaik, really perfected, despite ocean of money) << Olin Brass can has lobbyist too

18:00:33 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: gas fouling << don't build rifles that 'shit where they eat' - problem solved

18:01:49 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: as far as i understand, usg's refusal to adopt the correct solution, the gas piston, was pure nationalistic lunacy and little else

18:02:32 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, guy who came up with USG's currrent rifle prototype did so during time when USia discovered the wonders of hallucinogenics

18:03:06 thestringpuller: ^- that was a good time

18:03:16 BingoBoingo: Eugene Stoner was probably a stoner, if not occasional enthusiast of more interesting chemicals back then

18:03:26 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: not based on ww2 'garand' ?

18:04:16 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Not the M-16 Based on "AR-10" M1 Garand inspired M-14 (still in limited recycled use)

18:05:47 BingoBoingo: Maybe Garand might have had something to do with the mouth shitting trend though.

18:07:29 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i've always wondered why internal mechanicals (trigger mechanisms, bolt, receiver) aren't chromium plated as modern (post '44 or so) barrels are

18:07:50 BingoBoingo: "Wear Item"

18:07:58 jurov: hi asciilifeform, if you still want dedi server for bitcoins, around ~$50 , we can do hetzner

18:08:00 asciilifeform: and barrel isn't ?!

18:08:49 BingoBoingo: Of course it is too. Just hard to pay contractor for parts that don't deplete frequently enough.

18:08:52 asciilifeform: jurov: neat. i'll consider it

18:09:17 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: but there is almost certainly a sound physical reason, because same was true on ru side

18:09:24 asciilifeform: i simply don't happen to know what it is

18:09:25 jurov: i need to know what is the priority, CPU or RAM or SSD is a must?

18:09:52 asciilifeform: jurov: cpu, then ram, then disk (not necessarily ssd, but at least mirrored mechanical)

18:12:33 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: That is a point

18:16:42 asciilifeform: 'you need to go fuck yourself in the arsehole with a nice red hot iron dildo. I think that ought to improve your minuscule intellect.' -- from today's fan mail

18:17:12 kakobrekla: hetzner takes bitcoin ?

18:17:40 jurov: kakobrekla: no I take it

18:17:41 kakobrekla: if you are converting there are cheaper options than hetzner

18:18:07 jurov: even cheaper than their auction?

18:18:13 kakobrekla: yup

18:18:28 kakobrekla: example; http://www.online.net/en/dedicated-server/dedibox-classic

18:18:29 assbot: Dedibox® Classic 2015 - Online.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1DWUWR7 )

18:20:16 kakobrekla: although cheapest ssd option , hetzner might be better

18:20:31 kakobrekla: here is another cheap dedi http://bsnservers.com/dedicated-servers/dedicated-servers-in-europe

18:20:32 assbot: BSNServers - Bargain dedicated servers and hosting - Dedicated Servers in Europe ... ( http://bit.ly/17Bqb7W )

18:21:01 asciilifeform: thing is, the requirements are somewhat peculiar (minimal bandwidth, max cpu/ram, minimal disk)

18:21:22 kakobrekla: you want ssd ?

18:21:28 asciilifeform: not necessarily

18:21:38 asciilifeform: phuctor is 99% cpu-bound

18:22:12 kakobrekla: ah i thought we were talking bitcoind sync test or some such

18:22:28 kakobrekla: anyway, i gave you the links, your call entirely

18:22:36 asciilifeform: ty kakobrekla, jurov

18:22:51 asciilifeform: i'll suggest it to mircea_popescu once s.nsa has revenue

18:23:16 kakobrekla: hm

18:23:28 asciilifeform: (presently phuctor is paid for by yours truly, pro bono)

18:23:38 kakobrekla: if you have a really lightweight worker client i can give you some cores

18:23:44 asciilifeform: because usd is a renewable resource

18:23:57 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: i want the whole thing on one box because i haven't the time or inclination to play sysadmin

18:24:05 kakobrekla: mhm

18:24:07 jurov: these other offers have considerable slower cpu than can be auctioned in hetzner at same price

18:24:26 kakobrekla: eh?

18:24:49 kakobrekla: for 30 eur you get shit

18:24:51 kakobrekla: on hetzner

18:25:03 jurov: Intel Core i7-3770 is shit?

18:25:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89924 @ 0.00040552 = 36.466 BTC [+]

18:26:01 kakobrekla: that is 31!

18:26:14 asciilifeform: lol

18:26:21 *: jurov rolls eyes

18:26:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52162 @ 0.00040808 = 21.2863 BTC [+]

18:28:08 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'm guessing that fan didn't see your extant writings on the topic? Or perhaps wasn't a spamateur and had?

18:28:21 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: another butthurt 'clojure' user

18:28:32 BingoBoingo: Ah, so still spamateur

18:31:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 107182 @ 0.00039266 = 42.0861 BTC [-] {2}

18:36:19 jurov: asciilifeform: so either that i7-3770 or Xeon E3-1245V2 with ECC RAM for 7 euros more

18:37:31 asciilifeform: jurov: neato. hopefully this will still exist by the time it is needed

18:38:39 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: 'clojure' << lol how'd you get that level of hatred up?

18:39:32 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: ancient post still magnet for emotional crud

18:39:37 ben_vulpes: dang.

18:39:39 jurov: asciilifeform i was thinking you want to move phuctor sooner but ok :)

18:41:05 asciilifeform: jurov: can't recommend a large, recurring btc expense for s.nsa until revenue >0, and can't picture mircea_popescu liking the idea much either

18:41:32 jurov: it's not very large, but i understand

18:41:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 103353 @ 0.00039096 = 40.4069 BTC [-] {3}

18:42:04 asciilifeform: jurov: unless i misunderstand, it is potentially unbound - tied to eu exchange rate

18:42:47 jurov: that yes, but can be subject to agreement.

18:42:57 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2015/strategy-for-the-antisocial-struggle/

18:42:58 assbot: Strategy for the antisocial struggle. pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/17BsasQ )

18:42:59 mircea_popescu: here we go.

18:45:04 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> -- from today's fan mail << what was that for lol

18:45:25 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ancient post, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=42

18:45:27 assbot: Loper OS » Thumbs Down for Clojure ... ( http://bit.ly/17BsojP )

18:45:38 asciilifeform: continues to stimulate the easily-stimulated, etc

18:45:55 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> jurov: can't recommend a large, recurring btc expense << fiddy bux isn't large yo.

18:46:02 asciilifeform: see above

18:46:11 mircea_popescu: so if it goes to shit it gets cancelled i guess.

18:46:24 asciilifeform: aha see but my fiddy-us doesn't have to be cancelled

18:48:29 mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7reSQd3uiA << this guy's fucking hot, srsly now.

18:48:31 assbot: The Crazy World of Feminist Theater - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1AwK4Z8 )

18:48:59 jurov: dunno, not my type

18:49:08 asciilifeform: 'If the police doesn't show up, off you go to your business. If the police does show up, butcher the civillians.' << already sop, palestine, etc. - just minus the bank part

18:50:14 mircea_popescu: everywhere where people are winning.

18:50:17 asciilifeform: (suicide bomber doesn't need money. at least, not especially much of it.)

18:50:36 ben_vulpes: "who am i with my white cis-gendered privilege to pass judgement on such a masterpiece?"

18:51:22 mircea_popescu: jurov more for me.

18:51:30 jurov: :)

18:51:55 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in usa, bank happily hands robber a bag of money with small mine inside

18:52:03 asciilifeform: this is sop for a generation now

18:52:34 mircea_popescu: luckily it comes with meatshield.

18:52:40 asciilifeform: for some reason hardly any ever bother to defuse the mine, even though its design is published quite openly in the patent (yes)

18:52:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58938 @ 0.00040524 = 23.884 BTC [+] {2}

18:53:54 asciilifeform: other observation, of course, is that $maxint in stolen cash doesn't really deprive the bank of anything - more is printed, delivered next day

18:54:22 ben_vulpes: "FDIC Insurance"

18:54:40 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i doubt they bother with the paperwork

18:54:45 asciilifeform: or public notices

18:54:49 asciilifeform: it just... happens

18:55:35 asciilifeform: recall mircea_popescu's article re: the petadollars' worth of precious paper that got 'thermonuked' in the new york flood ?

18:55:42 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Aha! You aren't so anti-drug after all!!! http://fraudsters.com/2010/cadeti-afara-doi/

18:55:42 assbot: Cadeti afara (doi) pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/17BtADP )

18:55:43 asciilifeform: who noticed it?

18:56:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19612 @ 0.00040902 = 8.0217 BTC [+]

19:10:49 BingoBoingo: ;;later tell pete_dushenski http://qntra.net/2015/02/your-cellphone-is-a-tracking-device-that-relays-your-conversations-in-plaintext/#comment-11768

19:10:49 assbot: Your Cellphone Is A Tracking Device That Relays Your Conversations In Plaintext | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1AwPL9J )

19:10:49 gribble: The operation succeeded.

19:13:10 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 'reop' proggy appears to use usgoogle's crypto turdlib

19:13:41 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, I offered the caveat of redone entirely.

19:15:09 asciilifeform: incidentally, is somebody here interested in attempting a surgical replacement of 'openssl' in bitcoind 0.5.3 with 'micro-ecc' ?

19:15:17 asciilifeform: ( https://github.com/kmackay/micro-ecc )

19:15:19 assbot: kmackay/micro-ecc · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/18WJY2A )

19:15:35 thestringpuller: is surgical even possible?

19:15:40 asciilifeform: or does it also have to wait until i'm cloned ten times and can finally do everything

19:15:41 thestringpuller: this is more of a frankentstein operation

19:15:59 BingoBoingo: as far as user interface and "armored text block" goes, looks about right reop looks about right. Just needs to dump the part where done in go and depends on external google library

19:16:09 asciilifeform: thestringpuller: 1) it does the basic maths 2) brief enough to be humanly readable with some effort

19:16:43 BingoBoingo: Suffice to say reop is still a toy, but one that apes proper function better than moxenslit's toy

19:16:45 asciilifeform: other than that, i cannot comment on the quality

19:17:04 asciilifeform: (was speaking here of 'micro-ecc')

19:17:06 thestringpuller: asciilifeform: the process of removing openssl from bitcoind seems like that operation Tony Stark underwent.

19:18:05 thestringpuller: asciilifeform: i'm cloned ten times << Do you think you'd work well, with yourself? Hopefully it's not like that Dexter's Lab episode.

19:18:22 asciilifeform: nope

19:18:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16314 @ 0.00040902 = 6.6728 BTC [+] {3}

19:18:27 asciilifeform: put'em on separate continents.

19:21:54 asciilifeform: https://github.com/kmackay/micro-ecc/blob/master/uECC.c << ends up ~half again as long if you snip out the ifdefs for unreasonably small (8, 16-bit) machines

19:21:55 assbot: micro-ecc/uECC.c at master · kmackay/micro-ecc · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1AwSxLU )

19:22:25 asciilifeform: do any of you feel up to the task of ada-izing this ?

19:22:36 asciilifeform: until this happens, we're playing 'underhanded c contest'

19:22:44 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> put'em on separate continents. << Hard part is not cloning the hardware. It is cloning the history and software.

19:23:06 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: we're talking about the classical fictional clones, naturally, rather than the boring younger twin brother kind

19:23:18 BingoBoingo: Ah

19:26:35 mats: asciilifeform: i may be able to wrangle some time on a cluster if you're interested in doing a batch job

19:26:55 mats: would be a good stop-gap until jurov gets going

19:27:05 asciilifeform: mats: i am specifically not interested in shuttling crud back & forth

19:27:09 asciilifeform: have plenty of cpu here at home

19:27:16 asciilifeform: but want to push button and forget again.

19:27:26 mats: ok

19:29:28 punkman: asciilifeform: I wonder how much extra code we'll need to make microecc (or whatever else) parse/verify all the different crap already in blockchain

19:30:01 mats: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2015/02/26/the-fcc-set-to-approve-strong-net-neutrality-rules/

19:30:01 assbot: The FCC approves strong net neutrality rules - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1AwUyrt )

19:30:05 asciilifeform: punkman: that is clearly part of the puzzle

19:31:04 punkman: I'd be interested in learning Ada (or other language), but damn that's some gnarly syntax

19:32:16 *: BingoBoingo has build against LibreSSL 2.0 syncing, 9 days of history left, no wedge blocks

19:32:28 asciilifeform: punkman: get the 'rationale' book. every piece of 'gnarl' is justified, and the justification reads like your local fire code - every line is likely there because of a corpse

19:33:18 punkman: I don't think we have fire code :P

19:35:56 punkman: asciilifeform: should I be looking at ada 2012 flavour?

19:36:09 asciilifeform: punkman: 2005 or better yet 95

19:36:25 asciilifeform: none of the post-95 features are likely to be usable on a bare-metal build

19:36:34 asciilifeform: (they require the runtime libs)

19:36:50 asciilifeform: while the original 1983 standard had warts that were fixed in 95

19:44:13 punkman: http://www.ada2012.org/comparison.html handy table

19:44:14 assbot: Ada 2012 : Ada Comparison Chart ... ( http://bit.ly/1AwY998 )

19:50:40 thestringpuller: asciilifeform: because of a corpse << reminds me of this tv show Venture Bros. First episode this henchman named Speedy was brutally killed by super body guard (Brock Samson). So in subsequent episodes the veteran henchman are like "So, lemme tell you about a story about a henchman named Speedy."

19:51:07 thestringpuller: "All fun and games until someone dies?" or something like that.

20:19:12 asciilifeform: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000052.html << ben_vulpes, mod6, jurov, mircea_popescu, et al

20:19:12 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1AOMTDX )

20:21:36 ben_vulpes: you're running some interesting experiments, asciilifeform.

20:22:02 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: that was about 10 minutes' work, and if you notice - didn't lead to a usable result

20:22:11 asciilifeform: but posted it in case somebody takes an interest in the concept

20:22:15 *: ben_vulpes read, noticed.

20:27:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.00042078 = 5.5543 BTC [+]

20:31:49 BingoBoingo: Nailgun 'Suicides' are getting more ambitious http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/missouri-auditor-and-governor-candidate-tom-schweich-has-died/article_879ddcd7-c997-5df3-bc61-39282c4f7434.html

20:31:50 assbot: Missouri Auditor and governor candidate Tom Schweich has died : News ... ( http://bit.ly/1AOOVUw )

20:32:27 BingoBoingo: "His death was confirmed by his office early Thursday afternoon, just hours after Schweich had requested an interview with reporters for the Post-Dispatch and the Associated Press at his Clayton home later in the day."

20:33:46 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-11-2014#927129 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-11-2014#927130

20:33:46 assbot: Logged on 18-11-2014 01:12:16; asciilifeform: at this point, quite a few people will not believe, e.g., the camps, even when they end up inside.

20:33:46 assbot: Logged on 18-11-2014 01:12:37; asciilifeform: it will be a 'temporary relocation center' to them, even when the shower heads start hissing out the zyklon.

20:34:21 asciilifeform: quite a few folks who ought to know better make monkey noises when i/anyone speak of 'shadow state' and lizardhitler

20:34:50 asciilifeform: what, i wonder, goes through their heads when the nailgun fires and their gut is stapled to their chair ?

20:36:45 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: consider writing up for qntra ?

20:37:08 chetty: <asciilifeform> what, i wonder, goes through their heads when the nailgun fires and their gut is stapled to their chair ?// they still dont believe

20:37:12 BingoBoingo: I'm considering it.

20:38:47 BingoBoingo: Schweich was notorious for breaking up all kinds of small bezzels in his first terms as State Auditor, announced candidacy for governor a few weeks ago, would have probably won. Then last night panicked phone calls and forever silence.

20:39:22 mike_c: ? that doesn't say nailgun

20:39:39 asciilifeform: mike_c: the actual type of small arm used is unimportant

20:39:44 BingoBoingo: mike_c: Once again escalation

20:39:52 BingoBoingo: !up B0g4r7

20:39:56 mike_c: well, sort of unimportant. it is stylish when they actually use a nailgun

20:40:12 asciilifeform: mike_c: 'nailgun' in this context is the proverbial 'convenient suicide' of someone who 'needed to have problems'

20:40:26 asciilifeform: that is, someone who created problems for usg

20:40:32 asciilifeform: and wouldn't turn asset when asked nicely

20:40:55 asciilifeform: (or, alternatively, needed to be taken off the gameboard in an unusual hurry)

20:41:25 BingoBoingo: Schweich had actually in past careers been a well labeled and prominent "asset" of things

20:41:25 asciilifeform: because, possibly, found to have been planning some action to which there is no convenient, clean usg response.

20:42:02 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the most 'instructive' deaths are usually reserved for 'former assets'

20:42:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 117000 @ 0.00042677 = 49.9321 BTC [+] {3}

20:43:18 punkman: asciilifeform: but why shadowstate and not private concern?

20:43:39 asciilifeform: punkman: the distinction is meaningless

20:43:41 BingoBoingo: Pretense of credibility was likely established with "negative campaign ad" run beginning yesterday by local kook who presented no credible chance at winning the office

20:43:53 asciilifeform: punkman: much of what i call usg consists, on paper, of 'private' concerns

20:44:06 asciilifeform: e.g. microsoft

20:50:19 asciilifeform: incidentally, lies are much cheaper than bullets

20:50:41 asciilifeform: unless you know that schmuck personally, don't blithely assume that he died in his house (conveniently pictured in article) or that his wife is still alive, etc

20:51:29 thestringpuller: asciilifeform: assume that he died << you mean like faking his death?

20:51:44 thestringpuller: as it stands this is probably best way to disappear completely without actual death.

20:51:44 asciilifeform: for all we know, he's sitting on an anthill right now somewhere at 'the farm' (look it up), writhing on camera for showing to future 'candidates'

20:51:50 BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Nah, the in his house part

20:51:51 asciilifeform: thestringpuller: nope

20:53:22 thestringpuller: asciilifeform: oh you're saying they staged his death and now he's prisoner until actual death?

20:53:26 asciilifeform: again no.

20:53:33 asciilifeform: or rather, not necessarily

20:54:13 asciilifeform: merely suggesting that an official statement from usg has the same credibility as the testimony of a habitual mugger who's been in and out of jails since he was 8 y.o., given upon apprehension at 4am in an alley

20:54:21 BingoBoingo: !up gabriel_laddel

20:54:23 gabriel_laddel: Thanks. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UprNbs6M6c8

20:54:25 assbot: Daniel Kahn & The Painted Bird - Rats - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1AOShHg )

20:55:42 asciilifeform: ^ aha the 'inner emigration' folks

20:56:11 gabriel_laddel: The very same. Lovely music, this.

20:56:41 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: alternate explanation, he came home to a spread of kiddie porn and toilet tank cocaine tagged with a note stating there was a "kinder" way out.

20:56:56 asciilifeform: ^ or.

20:57:30 thestringpuller: what do you know about iptables?

20:58:07 PeterL: BingoBoingo: article mentions he was on the phone just before shot was heard, perhaps agent was explaining how he would find those things tomorrow unless

20:59:01 BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Why not just use pf

20:59:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37331 @ 0.000436 = 16.2763 BTC [+] {3}

20:59:14 thestringpuller: PeterL: this is why there are no patriots anymore.

20:59:27 thestringpuller: How can you be a patriot if your own country will back stab you?

21:00:02 gabriel_laddel: ;; site: fraudsters.com "America isn't a people"

21:00:03 gribble: Error: "site:" is not a valid command.

21:00:09 gabriel_laddel: ;; google site: fraudsters.com "America isn't a people"

21:00:10 gribble: The crime of being American pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: http://fraudsters.com/the-crime-of-being-american; #bitcoin-assets +m pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: http://fraudsters.com/2014/bitcoin-assets-m/; The future of Bitcoin regulation pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea ...: http://fraudsters.com/2013/the-future-of-bitcoin-regulation/

21:00:32 asciilifeform: what's a german patriot in '45.

21:00:56 gabriel_laddel: eh, not what I wanted, and I don't care to find the article. In any case, what is 'your country' anyway?

21:00:59 PeterL: asciilifeform: the ones trying to assasinate Hitler?

21:02:03 thestringpuller: gabriel_laddel: this is a good country. in a world where a country betrays their soldiers, what do those soldiers do?

21:02:11 gabriel_laddel: die

21:02:16 thestringpuller: this is a good point*

21:02:16 gabriel_laddel: !s ethnic war is just like regular war except that the uniforms are glued on

21:02:17 assbot: 0 results for 'ethnic war is just like regular war except that the uniforms are glued on' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=ethnic+war+is+just+like+regular+war+except+that+the+uniforms+are+glued+on

21:02:46 asciilifeform: http://s260.photobucket.com/user/drmabuse06/media/TimeTravelHitler.jpg.html << obligatory

21:02:47 assbot: Time Travel Hitler Photo by drmabuse06 | Photobucket ... ( http://bit.ly/1JRHvaj )

21:02:53 BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: You want the hotel article

21:02:59 gabriel_laddel: !s http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-08-2014#803548

21:02:59 assbot: Logged on 21-08-2014 03:24:30; asciilifeform: most russians in chechnya, pre-collapse, weren't instinctively afraid of their neighbours either.

21:03:00 assbot: 0 results for 'http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-08-2014#803548' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=http%3A%2F%2Flog.bitcoin-assets.com%2F%3Fdate%3D21-08-2014%23803548

21:04:08 gabriel_laddel: "time travel hitler" lolol

21:05:07 nubbins`: hi

21:06:03 gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: I was looking for an article with photos from MP touring the US where he comments something to effect of "the US is fucked, it is a collection of people who have nothing in common". In any case, the hotel article should suffice.

21:06:17 mats: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=09-02-2015#1013736 << wayland, mir, not competition?

21:06:17 assbot: Logged on 09-02-2015 20:23:01; asciilifeform: x sucks and no competition

21:06:56 BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: Fire in Alabama

21:06:57 asciilifeform: mats: nope

21:07:11 asciilifeform: mats: for one thing, it it can't be piped over ip, it isn't a substitute for x

21:07:15 asciilifeform: i don't care what the fuck else it does.

21:07:24 nubbins`: mircea_popescu, maybe a poster campaign with a bit of cheekiness this time

21:07:36 asciilifeform: and fuck the 'desktop unix!!111!!!111' people with red hot dildo.

21:07:51 asciilifeform: i -use- the functionality they don't see a purpose for.

21:07:56 nubbins`: cheap/colorful paper, super intense colors, very bold graphics

21:07:58 asciilifeform: and so do other thinking folks.

21:08:09 nubbins`: all about the utter failings/piece-of-shittedness of the phoundation

21:08:52 nubbins`: offer it as "mystery poster" for the cost of s&h

21:08:58 PeterL: asciilifeform: which functionality are they trying to remove?

21:09:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27617 @ 0.00042741 = 11.8038 BTC [-] {2}

21:09:14 nubbins`: lucky recipient opens tube, out falls a half dozen cheap posters he can keep/paste/sell/give away

21:09:34 asciilifeform: PeterL: most 'alternatives for x11' dispense with the everything-can-be-piped-over-tcp

21:09:47 asciilifeform: in favour of either nothing or winblows-style whole-display 'remote desktop' bullshit

21:10:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64383 @ 0.00041953 = 27.0106 BTC [-] {2}

21:10:15 asciilifeform: i actually know of no exception to this

21:10:19 asciilifeform: if anyone does, please link.

21:11:11 nubbins`: well. either mapping the phailings of the phoundation (someone with knowledge of recent "vote" should chime in here) or the virtues of the .foundation

21:11:12 asciilifeform: fact is, i can run a graphical proggy on machine at other side of my house, or other side of the planet, and have the output - regardless of where in my display devices i shove it - look -exactly- the same as if it were local

21:11:14 asciilifeform: on x11

21:11:16 asciilifeform: and nowhere else.

21:11:59 asciilifeform: and what's more, because bitmaps aren't much flowing over the wire, it'll be usably fast.

21:12:15 asciilifeform: how this strikes anyone as an optional frill, is beyond me

21:12:58 asciilifeform: but count me 100% in favour of mircea_popescu's proposal to get these idiots off computers and preferably - eventually - off the electric grid likewise.

21:13:05 asciilifeform: because they don't belong living with people.

21:13:35 asciilifeform: not that x11 has no warts

21:13:58 asciilifeform: but afaik, none of the extant 'alternatives' is an actual alternative.

21:15:01 BingoBoingo: scoopbot -fetch

21:16:22 asciilifeform: http://paintedbird.de/images/stories/kahn/pdf/Parasites.pdf

21:16:23 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1AOVo1P )

21:16:24 asciilifeform: ^ neato

21:17:03 BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: http://qntra.net/2015/02/bitgo-offers-insurance-the-fdic-way/#comment-11785

21:17:04 assbot: BitGo Offers Insurance The FDIC Way | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1AOVtT0 )

21:17:44 asciilifeform: http://paintedbird.de/images/stories/kahn/pdf/SixMillion.pdf

21:17:45 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1AOVuGI )

21:18:42 BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2015/02/missouri-state-auditor-dies-of-gunshot-wound/

21:18:42 assbot: Missouri State Auditor Dies of Gunshot Wound | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1AOVCWO )

21:18:51 mircea_popescu: "BitGo is the only company in the industry we trust to secure our hot wallet. The integration was very straightforward, and now I can sleep better at night knowing that my customers' holdings are secured with BitGo."

21:19:07 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: cache original article!

21:19:07 mircea_popescu: it'd have been a lot more helpful if instead of empty boasts and declarative statements they just explained the math.

21:19:11 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: before it's gone.

21:19:13 mircea_popescu: how exactly is the api working ? gpg ?

21:19:14 thestringpuller: PeterL: scoopbot malfunction.

21:19:33 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: no some toy crypto

21:19:35 PeterL: yeah, I see, working on it, bleh

21:20:41 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: https://www.bitgo.com/api/

21:20:55 thestringpuller: don't open unless you want to take your IQ down a bit

21:20:55 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo New Reno: Accepted.

21:21:07 BingoBoingo: Oic

21:21:13 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Saved

21:21:36 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i meant, save & mirrorlink

21:21:38 thestringpuller: "Almost all BitGo API interfaces require authentication. This begins with a username/password at the Login Endpoint and requires 2-factor authentication via Authy or your mobile phone (set up via the BitGo website)."

21:21:43 asciilifeform: statically link!

21:21:54 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Working on the second part

21:22:03 mircea_popescu: ffs, i can sleep safer at night knowing that usagi v2.0 is offering derpsurance.

21:22:26 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-02-2015#1034635 << too risky.,

21:22:26 assbot: Logged on 26-02-2015 19:15:09; asciilifeform: incidentally, is somebody here interested in attempting a surgical replacement of 'openssl' in bitcoind 0.5.3 with 'micro-ecc' ?

21:22:39 mircea_popescu: it's worth doing on a test network just to count subtle bugs.

21:23:25 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not 'testnet' but deterministic sync from single node (neither on public net)

21:23:55 asciilifeform: if ends up with bitwise identical blockchain on disk (minus time data) then quite likely correct.

21:24:03 mircea_popescu: not so.

21:24:11 asciilifeform: (if you're waiting for someone to mathematically prove equivalence, you'll be waiting a long time)

21:24:13 thestringpuller: https://www.bitgo.com/api/#decrypt << srsly enc/dec via Javascript in browser?!?!?

21:24:20 thestringpuller: or node.js?!?

21:24:28 mircea_popescu: you're stuck with that. how do you think the original fork happened.

21:24:43 asciilifeform: stuck with what ?

21:25:23 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: are you talking about the berkleydb thing?

21:29:37 BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Original block 168000 fork no one knew about

21:30:45 asciilifeform: fact is, 'hey hey ho ho' openssl 'has got to go'

21:30:51 asciilifeform: one way or other.

21:31:18 asciilifeform: fully algorithmic statement of bitcoin cannot have 'and a turd goes here'

21:31:52 asciilifeform: it should ask for only a tcp stack and a place to park bytes in some nonvolatile way

21:31:53 punkman: even openssl can't confirm all it's own signatures

21:33:29 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform stuck with math proven equivalence.

21:33:51 mircea_popescu: well, no, but the openssl code as-was.

21:34:09 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: somebody would have to cough up a mathematicized model of 'c' and stdlib + rest of the spittoon

21:34:23 asciilifeform: don't expect it to happen this side of the next millenium

21:35:01 mircea_popescu: the problem with the "if it valdiates the previous chain is good enough" approach is its very pure gavinderpitude.

21:35:12 mircea_popescu: ie, "we imagine ourselves the owners of a distributed project"

21:35:14 asciilifeform: certainly can't consist just of that

21:35:19 asciilifeform: you need mathematical proof

21:35:23 asciilifeform: but of internal consistency

21:35:31 asciilifeform: rather than bug-for-bug equivalence to the turd

21:35:50 PeterL: what happens if we remove a bug and it no longer syncs?

21:35:58 asciilifeform: PeterL: depends what kind of bug

21:36:05 asciilifeform: if it was an exploitable bug, old chain is a dead man walking

21:36:12 asciilifeform: if non exploitable, then 'it ain't a bug, it's a feature'

21:36:52 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'd suggest, in characteristic crackpottery, to have the two ecdsa modules operate in tandem.

21:37:00 asciilifeform: in separate address spaces.

21:37:20 asciilifeform: until such a day as folks with 'skin in game' no longer think it necessary.

21:37:22 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Story updated with turdory cached http://qntra.net/2015/02/missouri-state-auditor-dies-of-gunshot-wound/

21:37:23 assbot: Missouri State Auditor Dies of Gunshot Wound | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1AOYtii )

21:38:08 *: BingoBoingo first heard this news on the radio while retreiving 1/5th of vodka from liquor retailor

21:38:14 punkman: BingoBoingo: .zip link is wrong

21:39:19 BingoBoingo: punkman: fxd nao

21:39:21 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform righjt, kinda what i meant by runninmg it on testnet to see

21:39:21 nubbins`: 1/5th of what of vodka

21:39:39 nubbins`: and what is the unit you're about to use in real units

21:39:44 BingoBoingo: nubbins`: 1/5th is its own unit of measure for packaged liquor

21:39:57 nubbins`: okay, but...

21:39:57 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i meant actual tandem, as in 'every sig ever checked/generated from both interfaces, and all the world's bells will surely ring if the answer ever differs'

21:40:00 nubbins`: vol*5 = ?

21:40:20 nubbins`: oh, a gallon.

21:40:28 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo nice move linking the local site. should be standing policy : all news is local news, always eschew the aggregators, from reuters to gawker, in favour of the source.

21:40:29 BingoBoingo: nubbins`: 750 ml, so 5 of those would be a gallon if liters were quarts

21:41:25 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-02-2015#1034655 << imagine the thing go wrong and alf becoming four alfettes.

21:41:25 assbot: Logged on 26-02-2015 19:22:44; BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> put'em on separate continents. << Hard part is not cloning the hardware. It is cloning the history and software.

21:41:37 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, was local enough news that I knew local source

21:41:47 mircea_popescu: all vying for supremacy and the hand in marriage of the one true alf

21:41:54 mircea_popescu: ww3 and a decentscifi premise right there.

21:41:54 nubbins`: BingoBoingo we call this size bottle a "twenty-sixer"

21:41:55 asciilifeform: l0lz

21:42:02 nubbins`: on account of it being 750mL in volume

21:42:57 jurov: ;;ticker

21:42:58 danielpbarron: "I just drank of fifth of vodka; dare me to drive?" --Eminem

21:42:58 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 236.57, Best ask: 236.9, Bid-ask spread: 0.33000, Last trade: 236.89, 24 hour volume: 5325.74561124, 24 hour low: 234.01, 24 hour high: 238.55, 24 hour vwap: 236.609743047

21:43:34 nubbins`: "oh god, please let me die beneath her fists" -- nick cave

21:43:35 nubbins`: ;p

21:44:28 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ecdsa << this is gonna go just like the christian scriptural translations thing, isnnit

21:44:57 asciilifeform: (aramaic, greek, latin, vulgar tongues... coexisting uneasily)

21:45:51 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: ecdsa << this is gonna go just like the christian scriptural translations thing, isnnit << Yes, and no curves can have identifiers which are too stand out, especially if they are useful at all

21:46:14 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is actually the reason why my first suggestion was to merely rip out the relevant parts of openssl (pick a version) so as the build ends up - 1) self-contained 2) bitwise identical binary

21:46:33 asciilifeform: rip out and roll in, that is

21:46:51 nubbins`: asciilifeform: ...rubes misquoting poor translations as literal truths...

21:46:54 asciilifeform: bitwise-identical doesn't need a mathematician to prove... just a copy of 'diff'

21:47:19 nubbins`: hm

21:47:47 PeterL: asciilifeform: sort of making a static fork of the library with only the parts used by bitcoind?

21:47:54 asciilifeform: PeterL: right

21:48:04 BingoBoingo: 5 days of history left to sync

21:48:07 asciilifeform: nubbins`: mircea_popescu takes a 'sapper errs once' attitude to bitcoin compatibility, for reasons which should need no explanation

21:49:13 asciilifeform: see his article re: how 'no one alive has the authority to create a fork, deliberate or otherwise' (don't have link handy)

21:49:20 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform> nubbins`: mircea_popescu takes a 'sapper errs once' attitude to bitcoin compatibility, for reasons which should need no explanation << Kinda why my -qt OpenBSD experiment is vaguely described in blog post. If I hit a grendade do not want others suffering same one

21:50:33 BingoBoingo: Also my porting effort consisted on delete, ctrl-c, and ctrl-v and watching compiler errors

21:50:44 nubbins`: heh

21:50:54 nubbins`: we call this "test driven development"

21:51:11 BingoBoingo: Well, I also read the previous porting efforts

21:51:13 asciilifeform: the thing is, eventually this 0.5.3 thing is going to have to, like or not, -add- vs merely remove

21:51:32 asciilifeform: if only to fix obvious and intolerable flaws like the orphans leak

21:51:44 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform quite substantially the same thing yes

21:51:53 nubbins`: BingoBoingo, cazalla much work involved in collating a list -- say 10-20 items -- of the phoundation's biggest boondoggles/fuckups/skeletons/whatever?

21:51:59 nubbins`: things that shine the light, as it were

21:52:12 nubbins`: i feel like one of you guys would be in the know

21:52:22 BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Why don't you give it a whirl

21:52:55 mircea_popescu: nubbins` sounds like a fine way to begin your qntra career.

21:53:06 punkman: http://www.gwern.net/Archiving%20URLs some useful scripts for archiving links and Firefox URL history in particular

21:53:08 assbot: Archiving URLs - Gwern.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1AP0OKa )

21:53:55 nubbins`: it's actually a fine way to dig in on this poster project, but i don't have the time or the inclination to dig through years of phoundation phollies

21:54:01 *: BingoBoingo doesn't run a firefox with a concept of "history"

21:54:23 asciilifeform: with regards to 0.5.3, i was expecting to see some technical discussion re: total rework of the blockchain sync mechanism and its idiocies, but this didn't happen

21:54:26 thestringpuller: danielpbarron listens to eminem?!?

21:54:27 BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Thing of it as argueing against a laser dude

21:54:32 nubbins`: heh.

21:54:35 thestringpuller: my name is...

21:54:36 asciilifeform: evidently, no one has the time or inclination

21:54:47 nubbins`: asciilifeform no kidding

21:54:47 asciilifeform: (rather -and-)

21:55:03 nubbins`: i've got the time and inclination to illustrate and print the things

21:55:24 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> with regards to 0.5.3, i was expecting to see some technical discussion re: total rework of the blockchain sync mechanism and its idiocies, but this didn't happen << "Numbers Station"

21:55:43 nubbins`: so if someone's looking for a chance to make it matter, maybe earn yourself some trust (i'm looking at you, everyone without +v), this might be an opportunity

21:55:45 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: no, actual technical discussion

21:55:55 asciilifeform: or better yet, code

21:56:39 asciilifeform: or at the very least review the backport

21:56:58 asciilifeform: ( http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-January/000038.html )

21:56:58 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1AP1gYY )

21:58:00 danielpbarron: thestringpuller> danielpbarron listens to eminem?!? << I used to; my mom once lectured me on how terrible it was -- she now loves the guy and can sing along to most of his songs (very strange to behold)

21:59:11 *: nubbins` pictures own mother softly singing "you don't want to fuck with shady, 'cause shady will fucking kill you" while wiping countertops

22:00:55 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform will take time.

22:00:55 danielpbarron: that's not even bad; he says way worse things

22:01:07 mircea_popescu: dun rush things, foundation snipped thing isn't even stable yet.

22:02:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14050 @ 0.00043921 = 6.1709 BTC [+]

22:02:13 punkman: I'm waiting for that x86 static build recipe, or was it posted somewhere already?

22:02:49 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: Then last night panicked phone calls and forever silence. << i don't get these people. nismann (argentine da, shot by state because threatening to put president in jail) was the same way : spent his crucial night before the great day ALONE ?!?!?!

22:02:53 asciilifeform: punkman: mod6 posted iirc

22:03:06 mircea_popescu: dude, that's not what you do. what you do is, you go to the biggest restaurant in town and start buying people drinks and lunches.

22:03:16 mircea_popescu: you spend a year's salary on throwing the biggest party ever.

22:03:26 mircea_popescu: but no, geeks gotta geek out.

22:03:58 nubbins`: "after a night of partying, nismann was found dead, apparently having choked to death on his own vomit"

22:03:59 *: BingoBoingo planning to find OBSD rentaboxen in the 1-3 month timeline to play with build and sync of foundation thing.

22:04:22 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: what thing. the one that leaks memory? why waste -any- time on it?

22:04:44 mircea_popescu: yeah right.

22:04:45 asciilifeform: not that backport should be used as is! but why piss away time on a turd ?

22:04:56 mircea_popescu: nobody forces you to drink.

22:04:56 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The orphanage burning version, see if stable.

22:05:03 asciilifeform: also waste

22:05:08 nubbins`: mircea_popescu nope but everybody encourages you to

22:05:14 asciilifeform: must -understand- code and write sane version

22:05:22 *: nubbins` searches for list of famous people dead by alcohol poisoning

22:05:34 BingoBoingo: See what fuckery happens on different *nixen document

22:05:36 mircea_popescu: nubbins` yeah well if you're about to take down the president but can't resist a little social pressure...

22:06:15 nubbins`: mircea_popescu i'm not saying he says "fuck it, 20th shot in a row", i'm saying he wakes up dead with a mouth fulla foam instead of a bullet in his head or w/e

22:06:23 nubbins`: or is he gonna pull an all-nighter? 8)

22:07:34 kakobrekla: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-31639374

22:07:34 assbot: BBC News - How do you catch a drone? ... ( http://bit.ly/1AP2XWl )

22:07:39 mircea_popescu: nubbins` in public ?

22:07:55 nubbins`: whoosh

22:08:00 nubbins`: he's sleeping in the restaurant now?

22:08:04 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu> nubbins` in public ? << Plenty of people in a bar have been slipped mickeys

22:11:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35750 @ 0.00043964 = 15.7171 BTC [+]

22:11:26 mircea_popescu: ehh, it's relaxing.

22:11:30 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: gotta love how 'force everyone to buy crippleware' is listed as an 'option'

22:11:48 kakobrekla: mhm

22:11:54 mircea_popescu: punkman: asciilifeform: but why shadowstate and not private concern? <<< a shadow state is by definition a private concern.

22:12:06 asciilifeform: ^

22:12:28 *: asciilifeform accustomed to perverse usg use of word 'private' rather than the dictionary meaning

22:12:45 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-02-2015#1034728 << quite.

22:12:45 assbot: Logged on 26-02-2015 20:54:13; asciilifeform: merely suggesting that an official statement from usg has the same credibility as the testimony of a habitual mugger who's been in and out of jails since he was 8 y.o., given upon apprehension at 4am in an alley

22:12:49 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> must -understand- code and write sane version << My limit for the forseeable future is maybe spot errors.

22:13:08 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform as in, "private svejk" ?

22:13:22 asciilifeform: as in 'microshit is private industry'

22:16:17 BingoBoingo: Back to srs commentary on news... Schweich had primary and general election in the bag >> http://themissouritimes.com/14953/schweich-sent-open-letter-requesting-gubernatorial-run/

22:16:19 assbot: Schweich sent an open letter encouraging gubernatorial run - The Missouri Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1AP4o72 )

22:16:50 BingoBoingo: In spite of being emaciated birdnose guy

22:17:18 danielpbarron: i got accused of being "tea party" for tweeting qntra article re: ^

22:17:41 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell gabriel_laddel http://fraudsters.com/2014/most-wrong-and-absolutely-wrongest/#footnote_3_52271 ?

22:17:42 assbot: Most wrong and absolutely wrongest pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1AP4yeJ )

22:17:42 gribble: The operation succeeded.

22:18:03 danielpbarron: the guy shut up really fast when i asked for his real name with the hashtag #FeelingLitigious

22:18:08 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-02-2015#1034734 << dude i'd so totally blog all that :D

22:18:08 assbot: Logged on 26-02-2015 20:56:41; BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: alternate explanation, he came home to a spread of kiddie porn and toilet tank cocaine tagged with a note stating there was a "kinder" way out.

22:18:12 BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: His one primary opponent as of yesterday was marginal "christian 1st" tea party kook of marginal interest

22:19:00 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: qntra is the news. We maintain credibility by putting that shit in the log now to link later. 5 months old... still toddling

22:19:39 asciilifeform: 'and then he came home to find his family packed into a gasenwagen, and himself on a train to auschwitz, where he caught typhus in a week.' 'dude i'd so totally blog all that'

22:19:49 BingoBoingo: Also there is a prominent prolly unrelated missouri politician name...

22:19:54 BingoBoingo: ;;google peter kinder

22:19:55 gribble: Peter Kinder - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Kinder; Home | Missouri Lieutenant Governor Peter Kinder Official Web Site: http://ltgov.mo.gov/; Peter Kinder (@PeterKinder) | Twitter: https://twitter.com/peterkinder

22:20:27 asciilifeform: obligatory >> http://xkcd.com/180/

22:20:28 assbot: xkcd: Canada ... ( http://bit.ly/1vDtlTP )

22:20:46 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yup.

22:21:05 mircea_popescu: i've never had typhus. have you ?

22:21:13 asciilifeform: haven't gotten around to it yet

22:21:49 asciilifeform: 'and when we had nothing remaining to eat, they gave us a turnip, they gave us a beet. "here, have some mice, have some fleas! here, have some typhus! die of disease!"' - warsaw ghetto

22:22:20 BingoBoingo: !s doormouse

22:22:20 assbot: 5 results for 'doormouse' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=doormouse

22:22:33 mircea_popescu: tbh, i kinda look forward to being forcibly relieved of all sortsa responsibilities.

22:23:01 asciilifeform: lol wut

22:23:48 asciilifeform: 'For the fact is that being inside a whale is a very comfortable, cosy, homelike thought. The historical Jonah, if he can be so called, was glad enough to escape, but in imagination, in day-dream, countless people have envied him. It is, of course, quite obvious why. The whale's belly is simply a womb big enough for an adult. There you are, in the dark, cushioned space that exactly fits you, with yards of blubber between yours

22:23:48 asciilifeform: elf and reality, able to keep up an attitude of the completest indifference, no matter what happens. A storm that would sink all the battleships in the world would hardly reach you as an echo. Even the whale's own movements would probably be imperceptible to you. He might be wallowing among the surface waves or shooting down into the blackness of the middle seas (a mile deep, according to Herman Melville), but you would never

22:23:49 asciilifeform: notice the difference. Short of being dead, it is the final, unsurpassable stage of irresponsibility.' (orwell's whale)

22:23:52 asciilifeform: ^ that ?

22:25:12 BingoBoingo: !s mazes

22:25:13 assbot: 2 results for 'mazes' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=mazes

22:25:52 BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=26-02-2015#1034183 << The most alive I've felt recently was during a maintenance hallucination

22:25:52 assbot: Logged on 26-02-2015 09:30:13; BingoBoingo: There were mazes, girls, low speed chases, shootouts, and orgies of celebration... Basically I dream in action movies

22:26:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81550 @ 0.00044186 = 36.0337 BTC [+]

22:27:04 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah. more like nostalgia for an earlier, simpler, matasareanu-er time.

22:27:20 asciilifeform: ^

22:27:30 *: asciilifeform would happily sign under that

22:27:35 thestringpuller: if you poop in your dreams you poop for real

22:27:38 nubbins`: ^

22:28:46 asciilifeform: what's a maintenance hallucination anyway ?

22:28:59 BingoBoingo: Let's stop calling them dreams, tht word has been abused to death. Children "dream" of world peace. Real men have maintenance hallucinations

22:29:14 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: REM sleep, particularly memorable bouts thereof

22:29:44 asciilifeform: ru and other sane langs have separate words for the 'dreams of world peace' and the kind you have asleep

22:30:00 asciilifeform: learn one.

22:30:02 asciilifeform: problem phixed.

22:30:04 asciilifeform: (TM)

22:30:12 BingoBoingo: !b 7

22:30:12 assbot: Last 7 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/278Y4M9.txt )

22:30:28 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform has it.

22:31:11 mircea_popescu: the actual us hitler (the nigger, whatever his name was, king something, the million brown MEN march on the capitol guy)'s thing is hilarious translated in romanian.

22:31:19 mircea_popescu: "am un vis". well... so go to bed then ?

22:32:11 BingoBoingo: lol, mlk jr/rev/doc

22:34:41 BingoBoingo: Block 344666 sync'd

22:36:21 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-02-2015#1034769 << like how ?

22:36:21 assbot: Logged on 26-02-2015 21:07:24; nubbins`: mircea_popescu, maybe a poster campaign with a bit of cheekiness this time

22:36:45 nubbins`: well, the last one was sort of a "look at this neat thing" approach

22:37:10 nubbins`: next one: "look at these people doing it wrong"

22:38:02 mircea_popescu: about 300 years worth of experience with printing show that negative pamphlets only work in dictatorships.

22:38:13 mircea_popescu: unless it's "look at stalin sucking cock" it ain't worth printing.

22:38:16 nubbins`: heh.

22:38:18 nubbins`: yeah, fair

22:38:26 mircea_popescu: the penthouse interview with the faloon prostitute a fine example.

22:38:56 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: but diss records work all the time. that's why biggie and tupac iz ded.

22:39:13 nubbins`: thestringpuller he has a point

22:39:31 nubbins`: for that matter, you do as well

22:39:53 nubbins`: anyway, just thinkin out loud

22:40:22 thestringpuller: it's like that episode fo the boondocks where they make a diss record about grandpa

22:40:31 *: BingoBoingo offers Jan 2015 through Feb 12th 2015 all kind of OOM kills, none since

22:40:35 thestringpuller: then all of a sudden people start beating up old people cause the song is dope

22:40:36 *: BingoBoingo crosses fingers

22:41:10 nubbins`: well anyway, that leftover money from the old posters is still sitting around

22:41:11 thestringpuller: one kid says, "I like to beat up old people cause the song said it was cool to do." << i guess this also related to eminem controversies of the late 90's

22:41:29 nubbins`: be nice to make use of it, for .foundation propaganda or otherwise

22:41:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84328 @ 0.00043987 = 37.0934 BTC [-] {2}

22:42:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10600 @ 0.00043882 = 4.6515 BTC [-]

22:43:19 mircea_popescu: nubbins` leftover moneyz ?

22:43:46 nubbins`: nod. idea was to pay rubes in big cities to print out cheap copies of same poster and paste em up

22:44:02 nubbins`: after an exhaustive search, i found precisely one dude who said his nephew would do it

22:44:22 nubbins`: and it was such a shit job i don't even know if i should describe it

22:45:38 nubbins`: anyway, there's just over a bitcoin and a half there

22:48:43 nubbins`: mildly (but only mildly) surprising that people will suck pennies out of a btc faucet all day, but literally walking around with a roll of packing tape is too much work for $15/hr

22:48:53 mircea_popescu: i paid for this ?!

22:49:32 *: nubbins` nods

22:49:44 nubbins`: well, no.

22:49:50 nubbins`: you paid for the 50 for what's his name

22:50:08 nubbins`: then i printed another 50 to sell to forum rubes, with the express intention of the profit being used in this manner

22:50:14 mircea_popescu: a, i was starting to think my accounting's as tight as the dod's.

22:50:27 mircea_popescu: http://36.media.tumblr.com/b604ad019e65b96035959eabcc8af4df/tumblr_mx127rxlEo1s233qio1_500.jpg << for that tight, prison look.

22:50:28 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GyaRoW )

22:58:19 BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats

22:58:24 gribble: Current Blocks: 345307 | Current Difficulty: 4.668437631686029E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 346751 | Next Difficulty In: 1444 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 21 hours, 22 minutes, and 11 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 46800172847.1 | Estimated Percent Change: 0.24804

22:58:42 BingoBoingo: Awfully close to no change

23:03:40 BingoBoingo: lol >> http://learnlispthehardway.org/book/3-21-0-lisp-machine/

23:03:40 assbot: L(λ)THW ... ( http://bit.ly/1GybM8Q )

23:14:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43950 @ 0.00042253 = 18.5702 BTC [-]

23:15:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 123950 @ 0.00041841 = 51.8619 BTC [-]

23:37:43 BingoBoingo: So when it comes to Schweich... Biggest bezzel controversy in MO right now is whether or not to build a new NFL stadium. Imma be pissed if that ends up having done him in.

23:37:50 BingoBoingo: !up knotwork

23:37:59 BingoBoingo: !up yhwh_

23:38:57 BingoBoingo: My client has sync'd up to the point of no return, not enough blocks left to trigger an OOM kill

23:40:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4100 @ 0.00041841 = 1.7155 BTC [-]

23:56:04 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all

23:56:12 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 236.7, vol: 5485.67443858 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 231.002, vol: 6212.04634 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 236.92, vol: 18689.46373519 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 236.510392, vol: 85401.94810000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 239.63507, vol: 22.7135206 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 237.265875, vol: 51.29906919 | Volume-weighted last average: 236.291054119