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00:00:49 mircea_popescu: Mar 09 20:39:38 * HFSPLUS (~Hannspree@c-73-218-118-55.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets Mar 16 18:12:52 * Hannspree23 (~Hannspree@c-73-218-118-55.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets Mar 21 00:25:18 * ponyslaystation (~androirc@c-73-218-118-55.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets Mar 21 00:28:21 * ponyslaystation (~androirc@c-73-218-118-55.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #bitcoin-ass

00:00:49 mircea_popescu: ets Mar 21 19:48:59 * KatelynT (~KatelynT4@c-73-218-118-55.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets Mar 22 16:33:52 * fhiejeurjjurru (~androirc@c-73-218-118-55.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets Mar 25 21:00:53 * jfdjdjdjdjrejeii (~androirc@c-73-218-118-55.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets

00:00:51 mircea_popescu: for completeness.

00:02:00 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dun recall, who was that dude ?

00:03:22 jfdjdjdjdjrejeii: Bsrack obama?

00:05:02 trinque: danielpbarron: http://dpaste.com/3EVB8XP

00:05:03 assbot: dpaste: 3EVB8XP: fuckbag IPs ... ( http://bit.ly/1Na4A6k )

00:05:10 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: who was that dude << no idea, my best hypothesis is that he isn't alive at all but a script

00:05:31 nubbins`: jfdjdjdjdjrejeii did you?

00:05:40 jfdjdjdjdjrejeii: Yeah im a troll whatever

00:06:03 mircea_popescu: http://41.media.tumblr.com/4be4d9998c39d363099cc70e5b73b674/tumblr_nlrycyiKM21sgp77yo1_1280.jpg << the ows movement that didn't make it into gawker.

00:06:04 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Na4NGA )

00:06:46 jfdjdjdjdjrejeii: Who has an xbox one?

00:06:55 jfdjdjdjdjrejeii: I kick there ass in cod

00:07:00 trinque: !down jfdjdjdjdjrejeii

00:08:50 trinque: log shows a connect attempt every 1-2sec until Mar 25 16:33:40 PST

00:09:51 mod6: somehow i dl'd a live cd? o.O

00:10:46 nubbins`: nb

00:12:35 trinque: also PSA, ec2's firewall thing now does outbound rules too

00:14:25 mod6: can anyone direct me to a installable gentoo iso for x86_32

00:14:35 mod6: this is annoying. sorry.

00:14:50 mod6: (non-live cd)

00:15:15 trinque: that's how you install it

00:15:21 trinque: boot the livecd then follow the handbook

00:15:23 mod6: it is?

00:15:25 trinque: yeah

00:15:34 mod6: D:

00:15:38 trinque: it's not that bad

00:15:55 trinque: great way to become acquainted with the internals too

00:16:29 mod6: we shuold just support slackware from floppy disks

00:16:34 trinque: boot cd -> partition drive -> untar stage3 -> build kernel -> set up grub

00:16:39 trinque: with some handwaving along the way

00:17:00 mod6: dear lord

00:17:17 mod6: if i use aws do i get to bypass this bullshit?

00:17:57 trinque: mod6: these guys have their own gentoo AMIs if you trust 'em http://www.dowdandassociates.com/products/gentoo-in-the-cloud/

00:17:58 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Na76JM )

00:18:12 trinque: otherwise those bootstrap instructions are in order

00:18:43 jurov: mod6 what's the problem with handbook?

00:19:17 mod6: i wanna just work on bitcoin, not learn the in's and out's of gentoo :P

00:19:28 mod6: *sigh*

00:19:35 mod6: guess i'll give it a whirl. wth.

00:19:37 trinque: >linux

00:19:39 trinque: >i just wanna

00:19:42 trinque: lol

00:19:44 mod6: *stab*

00:19:47 trinque: :D

00:19:51 nubbins`: http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/cbcasks-debate-is-politics-broken-1.3008834

00:19:52 assbot: #CBCAsks debate: Is politics broken? - Politics - CBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1Na7tUJ )

00:19:53 nubbins`: heh

00:20:13 mike_c: mod6: helpful? http://www.dowdandassociates.com/products/pygoscelis-papua/

00:20:15 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GoGhQd )

00:20:32 trinque: mike_c: yeh that's the one I linked

00:21:02 jurov: "Starting in January 2015, we will ... cease building the 32-bit images"

00:21:10 mike_c: yeah, but there are still some on there

00:21:18 mike_c: from last november

00:21:53 trinque: https://www.niftiestsoftware.com/2011/09/24/converting-a-virtualbox-vm-to-an-ec2-ami/ << also possible

00:21:54 assbot: Converting a VirtualBox VM to an EC2 AMI | Niftiest Software ... ( http://bit.ly/1GoGK53 )

00:22:21 jurov: mod6 alternatively you can hire someone to configure the system *nudge* *wink*

00:26:14 mircea_popescu: argentina is so musically fucking weird omg...

00:26:24 mircea_popescu: they all sing the same song. they all sing the SAME SONG

00:26:29 nubbins`: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/30ay6u/almost_10_more_full_nodes_since_this_morning/

00:26:30 assbot: Almost 10% more full nodes since this morning connected to the network. Over 400 more in US. Is there some sort of competition I don't know of ? : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1GoHWoX )

00:26:30 mircea_popescu: the same song. they sing it. same. song.

00:26:35 nubbins`: heh!

00:27:09 mircea_popescu: yeah, the competition is called "mp said the nodes are the weakest point of bitcoin, bitcoin ppls are fixing it"

00:28:04 asciilifeform: what song ?

00:29:36 mike_c: mircea_popescu: maybe not. could be a much dumber reason. "It's all one node just with 600 addresses. This is what happens when you fucking pay people to sybil attack the network."

00:29:43 mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IOGFENyGJM <<

00:29:45 assbot: "BRASIL DECIME QUE SE SIENTE" CON LETRA HD - "Hit" de los Hinchas Argentinos en Brasil - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Na9xMA )

00:29:57 mircea_popescu: they change the words. but the song fprever the same. no matter what happens. this is the song.

00:30:06 mircea_popescu: and amusingly they think it's some pop rock of the 70s.

00:32:24 mircea_popescu: mike_c the notion of "counting nodes" is bizarre in the first place.

00:32:33 mircea_popescu: why not count "water taps" while at it.

00:32:39 nubbins`: heh

00:33:35 mircea_popescu: ie, most infrastructure nodes i know of work on SOME SORT ofload balancing or othewr, necessarily thus exposing variable ips to the world etc.

00:34:11 nubbins`: <nubbins`> anyway, only counting 0.8.x and above, that's like giving a population count of every country in the world, but excluding everyone under 5 feet tall.

00:34:30 nubbins`: and also only measuring the head of each household

00:35:14 mircea_popescu: in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/9c8248cf59d3897128ba0917e70e831a/tumblr_njxlug21jx1r3tor7o1_1280.jpg

00:35:15 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GoKxiP )

00:35:30 nubbins`: i didn't know you were a foodie

00:35:59 mike_c: do they give any justification for the version requirement?

00:36:39 mircea_popescu: who they ?

00:37:05 mike_c: this retarded australian

00:37:14 mike_c: and/or the phoundation.

00:37:55 mircea_popescu: dawg... you wanna see comedy look through the foudnation voting thing. what justification ?

00:37:58 nubbins`: 'cause there was totally a hard fork duod.

00:38:03 nubbins`: earlier than 0.8 won't work

00:38:04 nubbins`: duod

00:38:04 mircea_popescu: it's a wonder they find the fridge 5 times a week

00:38:40 nubbins`: because changing a config setting in a peripheral piece of software is a fork

00:38:45 nubbins`: (duod)

00:38:48 nubbins`: http://np.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/307ihi/til_that_when_a_cockroach_touches_a_human_it_runs/cpq3jky?context=3

00:38:49 assbot: goosegoosegoosegoose comments on TIL that when a cockroach touches a human it runs to safety to clean itself ... ( http://bit.ly/1GoLqIc )

00:39:01 mike_c: ah, the great accident was around that version.

00:39:03 nubbins`: "My husband pushes me over to the sink and shoves my head under the faucet, trying to flush it out, but every millimeter of space in my ear is full of horrific cockroach. For some reason, he pulls my pajama top off. I still ask him why, but he doesn't know. Either he didn't want my shirt to get wet, or titties."

00:39:09 mod6: ok so what version of stage3 are people using from the mirror? 12.1, 12.0, 11.2... ?

00:39:26 mircea_popescu: nubbins` hey, changing the world right ? like that chick changing they into whey or w/e

00:39:44 mod6: jurov: lol, this is supposed be a "quick" setup and test. didn't think it'd be a three hour tour.

00:39:53 mike_c: so use the ami..

00:39:54 mod6: or have to hire a captain

00:40:04 mike_c: you'll be up in 5 mins.

00:40:41 mod6: yah ok. fts

00:41:16 nubbins`: hi marteen

00:41:23 marteen: hi nubbins` :)

00:41:31 nubbins`: qu'est-ce que c'est?

00:41:43 asciilifeform: nubbins`: i guess some folks don't own vacuum pumps ?

00:41:48 mike_c: mircea_popescu: life's too short to read the foundation forum. i flipped the bozo bit on them, no more research required :)

00:41:59 nubbins`: asciilifeform vacuum + ear?!

00:42:14 nubbins`: granted, her eardrum ended up getting shredded anyway.

00:42:14 asciilifeform: nubbins`: not whole ear!

00:42:20 asciilifeform: nubbins`: thin nozzle

00:42:22 nubbins`: ah

00:42:24 nubbins`: just roach ass

00:42:34 nubbins`: i'm sure they had at least a turkey baster

00:42:41 nubbins`: but, y'know. panic.

00:42:45 mircea_popescu: nubbins` that reddit is the most retarded shit i ever read.

00:43:00 nubbins`: mircea_popescu she'll have a series of novels out this year

00:43:03 *: mircea_popescu got bit by viper, chick in group sucked it out the next moment, me was fine.

00:43:44 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform exactly.

00:43:48 nubbins`: i've never been bitten by anything more exotic than fire ants

00:43:48 jurov: dunno if you can get any chich to suck out the bug

00:43:49 mircea_popescu: their mouths don't work.

00:43:52 jurov: *chick

00:43:58 mircea_popescu: jurov so the problem suddenly isn't the bug

00:44:09 asciilifeform: ^^^^

00:44:30 mircea_popescu: "i'll lick out his asshole but fuck take that bug away from me"

00:44:48 asciilifeform: the problem, if we continue with this valuable train of thought, - is almost never the bug, per se.

00:44:55 asciilifeform: it is always the available suction.

00:45:00 *: trinque got ass-bit by a brown recluse once, didn't bitch as much as the story

00:45:05 trinque: complete with dying flesh

00:45:17 mircea_popescu: notice that the idiots in question cost an emergency call, an er visit plus an emt visit later

00:45:32 mircea_popescu: plus drugs. hours out of the lives of a dozen + people, all supposedly skilled.

00:45:49 mircea_popescu: this is about as sustainable as a tower of liquid piss in the shape of roosevelt's wheelchair.

00:45:56 nubbins`: once, while on vacation, my mom got bitten on the face a couple times by some sort of spider

00:46:04 nubbins`: got all stiff etc

00:46:10 nubbins`: had to go to an AMERICAN HOSPITAL

00:47:21 mircea_popescu: nubbins`> i've never been bitten by anything more exotic than fire ants << for one thing fire ants are more exotic than vipers in carpathians. for the other, i would bet a lot more painful. poor snake's drastically overhyped

00:47:31 mircea_popescu: (so is scorpion, for that matter. most don't kill or anything)

00:47:36 nubbins`: it def didn't tickle

00:47:58 nubbins`: (on jungle walk. woman in front of me says "aah! ants!" then proceeds to try brushing them off WHERE SHE STOOD)

00:48:06 mircea_popescu: europe is particularly mild on this shit. you get stung by the tiny polen wasps that live ther,e it's like... mk.

00:48:08 trinque: they drained quite a bit of death out of my asscheek and thigh

00:48:18 mircea_popescu: get stung by nutso us wasp o may gawd...

00:48:25 trinque: I was drugged to hell, laughing about it

00:48:38 asciilifeform: what's in a wasp, anyway? formic acid ?

00:48:39 BingoBoingo: lol https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=524101.msg5932326#msg5932326

00:48:40 assbot: Kick-off Discussion: Existing Forum Temperature Check + Criticism ... ( http://bit.ly/1GoOfsH )

00:48:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24260 @ 0.00024259 = 5.8852 BTC [+]

00:49:25 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform depends on the wasp, but not very well known really.

00:49:48 mircea_popescu: "apitoxin" is you know, one of those vinegars peterl analysed.

00:49:58 nubbins`: peptides+enzymes followed by norepinephrine followed by hyaluronidase and MCDP

00:50:38 mircea_popescu: some sort of quinone iirc.

00:50:41 asciilifeform: speaking of vinegars,

00:50:43 asciilifeform: the wine thing

00:50:46 nubbins`: that is to say, enzymes and more enzymes

00:51:01 asciilifeform: i think the 'wine experts' who don't get nailed by the food colouring experiment live in the same place as meta-nsa

00:51:29 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know this is something that you could pleasantly research ?

00:51:37 asciilifeform: (which is to say, the land of the i-can't-rule-it-out marvels)

00:51:44 mircea_popescu: there's no way they don't have that shit in dc, with all the dumb money floating about. take the girl out for a wine tasting show once

00:51:55 nubbins`: ^

00:52:08 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this was famously and publicly done not long ago, but i've misplaced the link

00:52:16 nubbins`: wine tasting shows are hilarious

00:52:17 asciilifeform: that was actually why i remembered.

00:52:25 nubbins`: sommelier friend of mine has worked a few

00:52:26 mircea_popescu: i'm not going to go as far as to say "date a french somellier chick that can actually tell you what you ate after you squirt her palate"

00:53:04 asciilifeform: thing is, i'm not sure if we have 'the genuine article' sort of expert around here

00:53:18 asciilifeform: not sure if the test was ever attempted in a 'serious' wine country

00:53:53 mircea_popescu: so wiat, is your thesis that this doesn't exist ? or what ?

00:54:00 nubbins`: asciilifeform the genuine articles are few and far between

00:54:20 asciilifeform: my thesis is that i've not a clue.

00:54:21 asciilifeform: l0l

00:54:36 mircea_popescu: ah lol. so then my suggestion best avenue.

00:54:47 asciilifeform: 'It's all one node just with 600 addresses.' << ahahahaha.

00:54:52 *: asciilifeform picks self up from floor

00:54:54 nubbins`: asciilifeform there's 140 "master sommeliers" in usa

00:55:53 nubbins`: so maybe 25-50 legit

00:56:02 nubbins`: but... that aside,

00:56:03 nubbins`: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-03-2015#1070578

00:56:03 assbot: Logged on 25-03-2015 15:00:24; *: nubbins` has admittedly never drunk wine costlier than $500/bottle but can verify that all the superfluous descriptors on the label are actually present

00:56:19 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2014#712152

00:56:19 assbot: Logged on 10-06-2014 19:46:16; asciilifeform: the sad part is, 'cyranose' (1990s product based on an oddball solid state gas column) actually worked.

00:56:25 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2014#712153

00:56:25 assbot: Logged on 10-06-2014 19:46:26; asciilifeform: locked up in patent purgatory to this day, afaik

00:56:39 nubbins`: oooo

00:56:40 asciilifeform: iirc works on wine

00:56:45 nubbins`: that's cool

00:56:49 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> get stung by nutso us wasp o may gawd... << There's a burrowing and colonizing Vespid species endemic here. When they nest in the yard it is time for the serious chemicals. Eradicating a nest will scar that part of the yard for years.

00:56:49 asciilifeform: to the point of outputting how many days in cask of what wood

00:57:13 nubbins`: great for finding food pairs!

00:57:42 nubbins`: twodogland is generally free of nasty vermin

00:57:49 asciilifeform: i still suspect that 'cyranose' was disappeared not only because useful in homeland severity (tm)

00:57:58 nubbins`: no snakes, raccoons, skunks, venomous spiders...

00:57:59 asciilifeform: but because it readily exposes fraudulent 'food'

00:58:08 nubbins`: lel

00:58:09 asciilifeform: if programmed appropriately

00:58:12 nubbins`: scan a GMO apple

00:58:13 mircea_popescu: haha

00:58:19 asciilifeform: and could be manufactured for a few usd

00:58:28 mircea_popescu: so next nsa product ?

00:58:29 asciilifeform: (solid-state carboniferous sensor)

00:58:34 nubbins`: "this isn't olive oil!"

00:58:37 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: right after we can make even a z80 yes

00:58:52 mircea_popescu: ahak

00:59:13 *: asciilifeform refers 'gmo' enthusiasts to old thread

00:59:43 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2014#827711

00:59:43 assbot: Logged on 12-09-2014 19:19:30; asciilifeform: except - they aren't banning monsanto garbage. they're banning 'gmo.'

01:00:11 nubbins`: who maintains thebitcoin.foundation website?

01:00:22 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2014#827645

01:00:22 assbot: Logged on 12-09-2014 16:40:01; asciilifeform: once you utter 'pro-' or 'anti-gmo' you're swallowed the stupid pill.

01:00:30 asciilifeform: nubbins`: iirc it was jurov

01:00:40 nubbins`: jurov if this is correct, plz to small change?

01:00:56 nubbins`: <font face="courier" color="#00FF00" size="+1"> <<< size should be either not present, or -1

01:00:59 nubbins`: dat huge text

01:04:36 mod6: i do

01:05:23 mod6: is that better?

01:05:32 mod6: (removed the size attribute)

01:15:33 mod6: ok gentoo up and running...

01:15:50 mod6: building openssl first to ensure good build.

01:19:10 nubbins`: mod6 perf thanks

01:19:15 nubbins`: now the banner fits on my screen :D

01:20:18 ben_vulpes: persnickety sob

01:20:20 ben_vulpes: <3

01:21:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25808 @ 0.00022673 = 5.8514 BTC [-]

01:25:00 TheNewDeal: ;;bc,stats

01:25:04 gribble: Current Blocks: 349256 | Current Difficulty: 4.671754964470642E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 350783 | Next Difficulty In: 1527 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 15 hours, 56 minutes, and 57 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 52024434137.3 | Estimated Percent Change: 11.35951

01:29:27 nubbins`: ben_vulpes didn't ya hear, nobody cares unless it looks good? 8)

01:29:45 nubbins`: at least i suggest fixes ;D

01:31:06 TheNewDeal: ;;nethash

01:31:07 gribble: 379131327.415

01:31:26 TheNewDeal: sweet hash

01:33:44 ben_vulpes: y'r a dear

01:41:57 danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-03-2015#1071588 << my guess is this -> http://blockchainworkshops.org/?page_id=237

01:41:57 assbot: Logged on 25-03-2015 23:50:33; mircea_popescu: danielpbarron where was this ?

01:41:58 assbot: Stanford Blockchain Workshop (March 2015) ... ( http://bit.ly/19mp0d8 )

01:42:21 danielpbarron: A workshop examining the interplay between blockchain technologies, including distributed cryptoledger, and existing legal infrastructure or regulatory regimes.

01:42:24 danielpbarron: The workshop will gather technologists, lawyers and entrepreneurs involved in the deployment of distributed blockchain-based applications. Topics discusses will sketch out a techno-legal framework to resolve the challenges facing applications of these technologies without hindering their distributed potential and decentralized character.

01:44:06 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: why no ssh in battlepogo?

01:44:59 BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> asciilifeform: why no ssh in battlepogo? << Why SSH into a machine you have physical access to?

01:46:15 danielpbarron: well unless yours is adulterated, or at the very least set up for net console...

01:48:30 ben_vulpes: hm. i'll read your documentation before embarrasing myself further...

01:49:11 danielpbarron: it's not easy to get into the thing without ssh

01:49:17 danielpbarron: requires soldering

01:50:21 mod6: openssl built fine. building bdb now

01:50:46 mod6: <+nubbins`> mod6 perf thanks << no prob :]

01:51:17 danielpbarron: last time i tried to build bitcoind i got this far -> util.h:650:8: error: 'uint32_t' does not name a type

01:51:41 mod6: hmm. i suspect this could be an environment problem... but we'll see.

01:51:46 danielpbarron: for openssl i had to do the "make install_sw" thing

01:51:47 mod6: *local environment problem.

01:51:54 danielpbarron: yeah it probably is

01:52:00 mod6: na, ididn't have to do anything different for openssl.

01:52:15 danielpbarron: i stupidly put 32 bit OS on 64 bit laptop

01:52:16 mod6: i just used the auto.sh (v0.0.5-32)

01:52:56 mod6: bdb is going now, we'll see how it comes out

01:53:29 mod6: !t m s.mpoe

01:53:30 assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00020725 / 0.00022638 / 0.00025392 (885376 shares, 200.44 BTC), 7D: 0.00019609 / 0.00027433 / 0.00030622 (13180647 shares, 3,615.89 BTC), 30D: 0.00019609 / 0.0003465 / 0.0004493 (80475736 shares, 27,884.94 BTC)

01:53:54 mod6: !t m s.bbet

01:53:54 assbot: [MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: / / ( shares, BTC), 30D: 0.000065 / 0.00008962 / 0.00025 (136573 shares, 12.24 BTC)

01:54:14 mod6: ok bdb built fine.

01:54:17 mod6: now for boost

01:55:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8700 @ 0.00022629 = 1.9687 BTC [-]

02:02:19 asciilifeform: kernel crashes.

02:02:26 asciilifeform: after 10 to 40 seconds of operation.

02:02:48 mod6: this your roll-ur-own one?

02:03:07 asciilifeform: stock sheevaplug under buildroot

02:03:09 asciilifeform: nothing cut yet

02:03:16 mod6: ah

02:04:06 asciilifeform: though i think i have a handle on why

02:04:13 asciilifeform: hm, no

02:04:20 asciilifeform: it wasn't the ill-fated sandisk sata flash.

02:05:12 asciilifeform: dies like clockwork

02:05:17 asciilifeform: i suspect a watchdog timer

02:05:17 mod6: :(

02:05:27 asciilifeform: there is nothing random about this crash.

02:05:42 mod6: this aws "small" is so much slower than "medium"

02:06:00 nubbins`: a timer!

02:07:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11900 @ 0.00022633 = 2.6933 BTC [+]

02:07:07 asciilifeform: nubbins`: classic cause of predictable and rapid death on embedded boxes

02:07:22 asciilifeform: nubbins`: normally a register where you have to flip a bit every S seconds or power cycled

02:07:35 nubbins`: sabotage

02:07:41 asciilifeform: nubbins`: i don't know for a fact that this is happening here. just a hunch

02:07:47 asciilifeform: based on working with many similar systems before.

02:08:06 asciilifeform: watchdogs aren't evil, they are a sad necessity in the world of typical c programmers

02:08:27 asciilifeform: or would you like to reboot your car's ecu manually.

02:09:46 asciilifeform: nothing printed on system log

02:09:49 asciilifeform: so not a panic

02:12:30 mod6: hardware problem?

02:12:33 asciilifeform: nope

02:12:50 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> or would you like to reboot your car's ecu manually. << Plenty of people do to cars what you do to pogos

02:12:51 asciilifeform: this box is iron-stable running other items

02:14:13 nubbins`: this is vanilla 3.18 you're using?

02:14:22 asciilifeform: 3.18.1

02:14:34 asciilifeform: with whatever patches buildroot applies for kirkwood

02:14:39 asciilifeform: haven't read it all yet

02:16:35 asciilifeform: dies in 30.00 seconds of reset

02:16:38 asciilifeform: like fucking clock.

02:17:46 nubbins`: https://launchpad.net/debian/+source/linux/3.18.3-1~exp1

02:17:47 assbot: 3.18.3-1~exp1 : linux package : Debian ... ( http://bit.ly/1xAk0gL )

02:17:50 nubbins`: maybe not relevant

02:17:59 nubbins`: "[armel/kirkwood]: Enable DEBUG_MVEBU_UART_ALTERNATE to match the behaviour

02:17:59 nubbins`: of previous boardfile based kirkwood kernels. Otherwise the kernel silently

02:17:59 nubbins`: crashes during boot."

02:18:10 nubbins`: ugh. sry

02:18:36 asciilifeform: it doesn't die during boot

02:18:45 asciilifeform: if you're quick on your feet, you get some console time

02:19:23 asciilifeform: (i built it with rootfs cemented in kernel just as a quick test, to avoid having to flash the nand. i have kernel load from lan via tftp for tests. with rootfs and all contents, it is around 21M.)

02:19:42 asciilifeform: but this is pretty obviously a mishandled timer

02:23:30 asciilifeform: 'drivers/rtc/hctosys.c: unable to open rtc device (rtc0)' during boot

02:23:44 asciilifeform: dollars to doughnuts it ends up switching on the watchdog countdown.

02:23:55 asciilifeform: while trying to init the rtc

02:24:14 decimation: re: wine > I took a class on winetasting in undergrad

02:24:25 decimation: my perception is that there is some science to it, but it's mostly bs

02:24:38 asciilifeform: http://www.marvell.com/embedded-processors/kirkwood/assets/FS_88F6180_9x_6281_OpenSource.pdf << ye olde manual

02:24:42 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1980b4w )

02:24:45 asciilifeform: pp. 368 table 117

02:25:05 decimation: at least, the tasting and the 'valuation' seem to be disconnected

02:25:31 asciilifeform: (and no, it is not available in any format other than pdf, nor is it remotely readable if put through garbage compactor and turned into text, fucking deal with it)

02:26:12 asciilifeform: decimation: when you get above the 'recycled piss' price point, i suspect the 'valuation' is 100% 'veblen good.'

02:26:56 decimation: asciilifeform: aye, agreed.

02:27:19 decimation: which is why argentina and chile are good places to find deals on reds

02:29:43 decimation: particularly malbec

02:30:15 mod6: ok

02:30:34 mod6: bitcoind builds statically on gentoo with auto.sh (v0.0.5-32)

02:30:38 decimation: asciilifeform: if marvell are so keen on supporting 'open source' devel, why don't they support a proper kernel build?

02:31:02 mod6: there are some different warnings than i've seen before though. i'll rebuild the entire thing again for good measure and use `script` to record the build.

02:31:08 mod6: hang tight.

02:31:11 asciilifeform: decimation: they think their 2.6.something built with proprietary (segger?) buildatron is 'open source'

02:31:42 decimation: heh

02:31:42 asciilifeform: i dropped the link to that turd here. can go and see for yourself

02:32:01 decimation: the problem with open source is that the source code might as well be on mars if nobody can read/use it

02:34:05 decimation: to be fair, I guess neither intel nor amd 'support' linux

02:34:18 decimation: except they probably both have staff working fulltime on the upstream kernel

02:34:57 PeterL: http://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/2015/03/25/house-passes-bill-make-hunting-harrassing-hunters-drone-crime/70441434/ << darn, I was looking forward to taking a deer with a quadcopter :( </sarcasm>

02:34:59 assbot: Michigan legislation would make using drones to hunt or harass hunters a crime ... ( http://bit.ly/1xAmhbS )

02:36:29 decimation: lol 'harass hunter' with a quadcopter

02:36:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16650 @ 0.00022629 = 3.7677 BTC [-]

02:36:47 PeterL: "The Michigan Department of Natural Resources hasn't received any complaints of hunters using a drone or getting harassed by a drone" << my representatives, hard at work solving problems they just invented

02:37:10 BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2015/03/changtip-hire-bitcoin-subreddit-moderator/ << Mega lol

02:37:10 assbot: ChangeTip Hires Bitcoin Subreddit Moderator | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1BpUB5B )

02:37:15 decimation: why does this even need to be a law? isn't it obvious that if a flying object is 'harassing' you while you are armed, the proper answer is to shoot it?

02:38:56 BingoBoingo: decimation: Depends on what you are armed with. Shooting with shotgun fine. Proper rifle... Hard to tell when/where bullet is coming down after impact.

02:39:15 decimation: well, that's a fair point

02:39:23 mod6: ok one last thing before I rebuild... I needed to add the "-nodnsseed" to bitcoind upon start up otherwise it would just start and exit without doing anything

02:39:29 mod6: but now i've >10000 blocks

02:40:21 PeterL: sounds like a great new sport, like skeet shooting, but the target can move in any direction, just need to make a drone that is either so cheap it's disposable or which can withstand shotgun hits

02:41:17 BingoBoingo: Cheap to the point of disposable is prolly the better avenue

02:41:56 decimation: actually this raises an interesting jurisdictional problem - the faa claims jurisdiction over all airspace above 0 feet

02:42:09 decimation: how can the state of michigan regulate interstate commerce?

02:42:17 decimation: after all, the fcc claims to regulate your wifi

02:42:34 decimation: via the same interstate commerce clause

02:44:17 danielpbarron: BingoBoingo, "ChangeTip BashCo" needs a comma?

02:44:51 BingoBoingo: fxd

02:45:15 danielpbarron: i wonder if that's the dude who banned me

02:46:55 BingoBoingo: Hard to say

02:49:26 nubbins`: well til what a watchdog timer is

02:49:39 nubbins`: asciilifeform the unit's got an rtc tho, it's just not seeing it?

02:51:46 asciilifeform: nubbins`: sees, fails to init

02:51:58 asciilifeform: nubbins`: i have no evidence that the two events are connected. mere suspicion.

02:52:41 nubbins`: k

02:53:02 nubbins`: https://forum.openwrt.org/viewtopic.php?pid=250166#p250166

02:53:03 assbot: Pogoplug Mobile hardware support and device tree effort (Page 1) — Hardware Hacking — OpenWrt ... ( http://bit.ly/1xAoDr9 )

02:53:05 nubbins`: not sure if helpful

02:53:34 nubbins`: does list watchdog timer

02:56:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25241 @ 0.00022629 = 5.7118 BTC [-] {3}

02:58:06 BingoBoingo: www.bnd.com/2015/03/25/3731183/us-steel-to-temporarily-close.html << js paywall easy circumvention

02:59:35 BingoBoingo: http://www.bnd.com/2015/03/25/3731341/highland-man-turns-salvaged-copper.html << Complimentary lol "?My hands still have calluses from using No. 18 Weiss shear scissors to cut galvanized sheets to form gutters,? he said. ?...You couldn?t afford a gutter today the way we made them.?

02:59:36 assbot: Metro-east news from Belleville, IL | Belleville News-Democrat ... ( http://bit.ly/1BpZqM5 )

03:02:12 asciilifeform: nubbins`: it's supported in the kernel i'm testing

03:02:18 asciilifeform: which may well be the root of the problem

03:02:33 asciilifeform: presently testing a build with this crap removed with hot iron

03:03:40 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron oh i c. stanford technologees!

03:05:24 asciilifeform: decimation: after 'wickard v. filburn', usg gained - perfectly legally - the power to regulate how many shits we may take per week

03:05:37 asciilifeform: on account of this, possibly, having an effect on 'interstate commerce.'

03:07:04 mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1071933 << what'd that pricepoint be ?

03:07:04 assbot: Logged on 26-03-2015 02:26:12; asciilifeform: decimation: when you get above the 'recycled piss' price point, i suspect the 'valuation' is 100% 'veblen good.'

03:07:18 mircea_popescu: romania has (had ?) some exceptional wines at 5-10 dollars a bottle.

03:07:20 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: varies by locale

03:07:23 mircea_popescu: aha.

03:07:42 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: when i say 'above recycled piss pricepoint' it means getting squarely above the 'for the poor' product category in usa

03:07:47 asciilifeform: which exists from wine to shoelaces

03:08:20 mircea_popescu: i broadly agree, but imo veblen-ness behaves strangely, as in : window. from about 100 to maybe 5 or 10k a bottle.

03:08:30 mircea_popescu: there's a very proper middle, there's good reason to pay 80 rather than 15.

03:08:39 *: asciilifeform can believe

03:08:41 mircea_popescu: there's a very proper top. there's a good reason to pay 850k

03:08:59 asciilifeform: what reason ?

03:09:07 asciilifeform: that item is now a 'rembrandt' and can be authenticated ?

03:09:11 mircea_popescu: yup.

03:09:22 asciilifeform: for an archaeological artifact - sure.

03:09:30 asciilifeform: but drinking your artifact is lunacy.

03:09:35 mircea_popescu: (this perhaps easily conglimerated with veblen - but is not same.

03:09:46 *: asciilifeform knows that it is not the same

03:09:55 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform similar phenomenon with virgin slavegirls.

03:09:59 asciilifeform: a 'rembrandt' here is simply an analogue bitcoin.

03:10:03 mircea_popescu: slavegirl either lost virginity around 15 or 20.

03:10:42 mircea_popescu: in the saner 17-18 yo middle, notmany.jpg

03:13:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21350 @ 0.00022633 = 4.8321 BTC [+]

03:13:58 mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1071949 << the importnat part there is the 2nd clause. im sure buncha idiot nerds were becoming a pain.

03:13:58 assbot: Logged on 26-03-2015 02:34:59; assbot: Michigan legislation would make using drones to hunt or harass hunters a crime ... ( http://bit.ly/1xAmhbS )

03:14:11 mircea_popescu: otherwise, hunting from flight already soundly illegal.

03:15:30 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo it occurs to me, that shavers character is like out of a novel. first he gets a civil supoena that he doens't ignore. then he self represents. and doesn't do homework. then he loses the suit. civil suit. he loses it. then he pleads not guilty in criminal proceedings.

03:15:37 asciilifeform: hell, in usa electronically setting off the shell is banned

03:15:46 mircea_popescu: someone needs to tell him this civil-criminal thing is as close as it gets to double jeopardy in the us

03:15:56 mircea_popescu: and preserved deliberately - to fuck up... well, basically, him.

03:15:56 BingoBoingo: It really is

03:16:50 BingoBoingo: Then again the major reason to retain an attorney in the us is to avoid spam

03:17:06 mircea_popescu: how exactly is this strat supposed to go : i couldn't make the "preponderence of evidence" standard but i'll make the "absolute proof" ?

03:17:32 mircea_popescu: "The average tip amount across all platforms is has fallen to ~$0.91, while the average tip amount on reddit is only ~$0.37? we can do better!"

03:17:35 mircea_popescu: and PART TIME.

03:17:42 mircea_popescu: incredibly cheap, these clay footed giants.

03:18:52 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu> how exactly is this strat supposed to go : i couldn't make the "preponderence of evidence" standard but i'll make the "absolute proof" ? << That or make preponderance of evidence standard use as proof in criminal case

03:18:56 mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1071956 << drone meets buckshot tho... almost worth doing just to film it

03:18:56 assbot: Logged on 26-03-2015 02:38:56; BingoBoingo: decimation: Depends on what you are armed with. Shooting with shotgun fine. Proper rifle... Hard to tell when/where bullet is coming down after impact.

03:19:18 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo but the usg (through usg->da) has already evaluated that

03:19:30 asciilifeform: just to film it << the chinese filmed it recently

03:19:33 mircea_popescu: you basing yourself on the theory usg->judge will != usg->da ?

03:19:35 asciilifeform: (link in log somewhere)

03:20:35 mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1071960 << "withstand" is pretty fuckin dangerous.

03:20:35 assbot: Logged on 26-03-2015 02:40:21; PeterL: sounds like a great new sport, like skeet shooting, but the target can move in any direction, just need to make a drone that is either so cheap it's disposable or which can withstand shotgun hits

03:20:38 asciilifeform: and for the type of flying machine normally encountered, 'birdshot' ought to suffice

03:20:46 mircea_popescu: best way to lose an eye is shoot shotguns at armored targets.

03:20:48 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Oh my strategy? I retain lawyers because it forces opposition to route annoying phone calls through attorney

03:20:57 mircea_popescu: not yours lol. his.

03:21:12 BingoBoingo: Ah

03:23:46 BingoBoingo: Consider the example of a US bankruptcy case. You can cheaply and easily represent yourself if indigent, however you have to handle communications with all of the debtors, or... You scrape together enough to retain an attorney who has a process for handling that annoyance and also retain your sanity.

03:24:27 decimation: re: wine < yeah my perception is that > $10-15 is generally good. more expensive wines are also good, but there are loads of pretenders trying to get by on geography

03:25:03 decimation: once had an excellent german trockenbeernauslese for $50 and it was worth every penny

03:25:09 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo or you could just pipe awk through sed

03:25:14 BingoBoingo: But the shavers strategy seems to be only notable in the sense he pulled off a mega fraud in a space which at the time was especially gullible and vulnerable to mega fraud.

03:25:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33227 @ 0.00022613 = 7.5136 BTC [-] {3}

03:25:43 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo or you could just pipe awk through sed << Hard on the phone.

03:25:54 mircea_popescu: you're not required to communicate via phone are you ?

03:26:01 mircea_popescu: what's this, mandatory webcam bankruptcy court ?

03:26:32 nubbins`: building cross-compile toolchain is slo-o-o-o-o-o-ow

03:26:32 BingoBoingo: USia, seriously messed up in the things people expect, legally

03:27:50 decimation: bankruptcy without debtor's prison is just silly

03:28:23 trinque: as is debtors prison without real money

03:28:31 decimation: heh good point

03:28:38 asciilifeform: usaschwitz is a gigantic open-air debtor's prison already.

03:28:42 nubbins`: debtor's prison = university

03:28:49 nubbins`: they make you go first, before you owe the money

03:28:57 mircea_popescu: i dunno, nubbins`. it'd be a lot better if the tit knew it's caged.

03:29:09 mircea_popescu: kinda what i like about eastern european campuses.

03:29:13 mircea_popescu: the tit doth know.

03:29:32 nubbins`: the tit abides

03:31:42 decimation: mircea_popescu: have you found any particularly good south american wines?

03:32:17 mircea_popescu: nope. i've found plenty perfectly acceptable tho.

03:32:25 mircea_popescu: actually, finding a bad one's more challenging.

03:32:42 decimation: yeah I've never been disappointed in random $10 malbec from chile/ar

03:32:56 danielpbarron: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CA0W9GXUcAAch26.jpg

03:32:57 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1bvIC06 )

03:33:32 mircea_popescu: i tihnk that;s pretty much it.

03:33:50 mircea_popescu: honestly, i wouldn't expect exceptional out of vineyards that aren;t even 500 years old.

03:33:58 mircea_popescu: but they do get the reasonable down pat.

03:34:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7801 @ 0.00022581 = 1.7615 BTC [-] {2}

03:35:21 decimation: heh. of course many of those french vineyards were decimated by the phylloxera plague

03:35:44 mircea_popescu: doesn't really matter. terroir's terroir..

03:35:55 mircea_popescu: people know wtf this is. etc.

03:36:02 nubbins`: whoops. dat make clean.

03:36:38 decimation: mircea_popescu: yes, indeed it is

03:37:09 decimation: bourdeaux has been overpriced by chinese bezzlars, but it is also legitimately fine tasting

03:38:36 mircea_popescu: also somewhat of an aquired taste.

03:40:23 decimation: for folks who are dubious about the specifics, you can generally pick out particular flavors on the 'flavor wheel' like one shown here: http://www.thewinecellarinsider.com/wine-topics/wine-educational-questions/davis-aroma-wheel/

03:40:24 assbot: Wine Aroma Wheel from UC Davis ... ( http://bit.ly/1IxbeRC )

03:43:12 mircea_popescu: srsly, vinegar, alcohol and sulphur dioxide in the same box ?

03:43:17 mircea_popescu: mkay... nm.

03:44:21 decimation: cabernet sauvignon (one of the bordeaux grapes) often has a tobacco flavor for instance

03:45:09 decimation: the impressive thing really is that the knowledgeable winemaker can bring out so many different flavors with just grapes, yeast, toasted oak, and time

03:45:14 mircea_popescu: "tobacco flavour" is kinda like "beautiful woman looks", but hey

03:45:36 mircea_popescu: it's not really like carving. it's farming.

03:47:04 decimation: farming and processing

03:53:01 asciilifeform: 'What is the cause of a corked wine? The culprit is usually one of two reasons, TCA, which is short for 2, 4,6 Trichloroanisole. TCA is a type of fungus that occurs naturally. Because TCA is a natural fungi present in the bark of the cork tree, it can be easily be taken into the cork.' << who wants to kill something after reading this

03:53:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21500 @ 0.00022717 = 4.8842 BTC [+] {2}

03:54:18 danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-03-2015#1069941 << I can recieve and store pallet; have access to dock plate / forklift / pallet jack / etc

03:54:18 assbot: Logged on 25-03-2015 05:12:04; mircea_popescu: nubbins` can you store a pellet ?

03:55:25 mircea_popescu: o.O

03:55:50 mircea_popescu: cool, but meanwhoile the pellet seemed dudsy

03:56:44 danielpbarron: for future reference if the right unit comes up

03:56:50 nubbins`: i read it as pallet earlier. i can store pellets.

03:57:36 danielpbarron: at 2 USD per, that's still a great deal

03:57:43 danielpbarron: the blue unit is very nice too

03:57:43 asciilifeform: was.

03:58:33 nubbins`: wonder if "national liquidation" selling em on amazon would cut a deal

03:58:57 nubbins`: probably no huge incentive for them to

03:59:14 danielpbarron: not with the sudden surge of people buying "crates" of them

04:00:10 danielpbarron: wow that thing went for 400 ?? that's probably what it cost to ship them

04:01:00 danielpbarron: oh only 100 units, that's hardly a pallet

04:04:58 nubbins`: nope

04:05:06 nubbins`: those were open-box too

04:05:58 asciilifeform: were.

04:06:10 asciilifeform: srsly this is a mighty long thread about a dead'n'gone item

04:06:14 nubbins`: :D

04:06:39 nubbins`: people are still talking about the ussr 8)

04:07:06 asciilifeform: that's different - lenin lives forever (TM) l0l

04:07:06 nubbins`: i just sent the liquidators a message, we'll see

04:10:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.00022568 = 2.0988 BTC [-]

04:12:03 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform its more about sorting out logistics imo

04:12:54 asciilifeform: aha then

04:13:28 *: asciilifeform still trying to build a kernel without wdt

04:16:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24450 @ 0.00023592 = 5.7682 BTC [+] {2}

04:16:13 asciilifeform: (not as simple as merely disabling it in config, 'buildroot' is very particular re: how it reads layers of configs)

04:16:37 asciilifeform: done.

04:16:44 asciilifeform: now...

04:17:04 mircea_popescu: http://40.media.tumblr.com/fcfb1d8283bdbd71d50896fb45a81f9f/tumblr_ngnq0hPBx31qfz2j8o1_500.jpg

04:17:05 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GpJ9wh )

04:17:17 asciilifeform: ....

04:17:26 asciilifeform: ticktocktick...

04:17:43 asciilifeform: not dead yet..

04:18:00 mircea_popescu: poor africa.

04:18:11 asciilifeform: methinks i nailed it.

04:18:15 nubbins`: woo!

04:18:35 asciilifeform: (see thread for wtf a watchdog timer is and how i knew to look for it)

04:19:08 asciilifeform: i do so wonder what kinda joker initialized it AND LEFT IT ON

04:21:38 nubbins`: who let the watchdog out ;/

04:21:45 asciilifeform: 6813dfeaa3b1412501acd64c06042cdf9854a44296b529a226c624455085943e1f0ab15580f764abede77b07a4fd162227fc7a9095d21673a078f11a000c0e7e turdel-with-rootfs.gz

04:22:24 asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/turdel-with-rootfs.gz

04:22:32 asciilifeform: ^ this can be booted into for lulz

04:22:41 asciilifeform: root pw is ''

04:22:55 asciilifeform: no rootfs partition is needed as i crammed it in

04:23:01 asciilifeform: contains basic utils

04:23:09 mircea_popescu: lol

04:23:10 mircea_popescu: who! wohwho

04:23:51 nubbins`: http://yro.slashdot.org/story/15/03/25/1917255/radioshack-puts-customer-data-up-for-sale-in-bankruptcy-auction

04:23:53 assbot: RadioShack Puts Customer Data Up For Sale In Bankruptcy Auction - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1GpL4kr )

04:23:57 asciilifeform: i forgot to include sata

04:24:00 asciilifeform: will do that tomorrow

04:24:08 mod6: http://thebitcoin.foundation/gentoo-x86_32-bitcoind-static.txt

04:24:09 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GpL9og )

04:24:17 mod6: danielpbarron: ^^^

04:24:23 mircea_popescu: ahahaha

04:24:41 asciilifeform: after turdel/kernel is nailed down, i will post deterministic build for it

04:24:48 asciilifeform: starting with a particular checkout of 'buildroot'

04:24:52 asciilifeform: and buncha diffs

04:24:56 asciilifeform: same as i did for, well, the rest

04:24:57 nubbins`: rad, i'll be trying this

04:25:11 nubbins`: so this all fits in nand?

04:25:12 asciilifeform: the idea in my mind is to eventually have the whole shebang build from buildroot

04:25:28 asciilifeform: nubbins`: <5MB total

04:25:33 *: nubbins` claps

04:25:38 asciilifeform: nubbins`: this is kernel and all userland

04:25:45 nubbins`: amazing

04:25:45 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

04:25:45 asciilifeform: obviously no bitcoind in there, yet

04:25:54 asciilifeform: nothing esp. astonishing here

04:25:55 nubbins`: step at a time

04:26:02 asciilifeform: this is about how big a non-developer's linux ought to be

04:26:29 danielpbarron: Welcome to Buildroot

04:26:29 danielpbarron: buildroot login: root

04:26:29 danielpbarron: #

04:26:37 asciilifeform: try dmesg

04:26:38 asciilifeform: and top

04:26:39 asciilifeform: etc.

04:26:54 danielpbarron: neato

04:26:55 asciilifeform: most of the comforts of home, are there.

04:27:52 asciilifeform: i'ma leave it running overnight

04:28:08 danielpbarron: i can do that too if it helps

04:28:09 mod6: cool!

04:28:10 asciilifeform: in case there are other clock surprises

04:28:19 danielpbarron: i should unplug the serial connector though right?

04:28:22 asciilifeform: why?

04:28:28 danielpbarron: you said it overheats?

04:28:33 asciilifeform: wai wat ?!!

04:28:37 mod6: danielpbarron: and yah, im pulling blocks, need -nodnsseed though

04:28:41 asciilifeform: never said any such thing

04:28:48 asciilifeform: if heatsink is removed - yes, overheats

04:28:51 asciilifeform: but why remove it

04:29:02 asciilifeform: my serial cable goes right through the closed case

04:29:06 asciilifeform: i didn't even drill the latter

04:29:10 asciilifeform: just sorta crushed it in there

04:29:27 danielpbarron: ohh

04:29:31 danielpbarron: you meant the pogo board

04:29:32 mod6: ok im gonna shutdown this aws instance.

04:29:46 danielpbarron: yeah i reclosed my unit

04:29:46 asciilifeform: danielpbarron: feel free to screw the box shut

04:29:47 asciilifeform: aha

04:30:00 asciilifeform: so no reason to unplug the serial cable, ever

04:30:15 asciilifeform: i have no idea how anyone could have gotten the notion that this causes overheating

04:31:11 danielpbarron: overheating of the serial adapter, not the pogo

04:31:18 danielpbarron: but clearly i misunderstood you

04:31:19 asciilifeform: wat?!?!!

04:31:38 asciilifeform: can't even imagine how chinese that adapter would have to be

04:31:42 asciilifeform: to ever begin to overheat

04:31:56 danielpbarron: !b 5

04:31:57 assbot: Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1TKX3SN.txt )

04:32:48 danielpbarron: just had this show up:

04:32:52 danielpbarron: # random: nonblocking pool is initialized

04:32:54 nubbins`: heh.

04:33:15 asciilifeform: danielpbarron: i must remind you - and everyone else here - that pogo has no rng.

04:33:17 asciilifeform: none at all

04:33:21 asciilifeform: not even a very bad one.

04:33:23 nubbins`: ok, sorry, this turdel, what am i doing with it once gunzipped?

04:33:34 asciilifeform: nubbins`: it's a kernel

04:33:41 asciilifeform: you can boot a pogo with it

04:33:49 danielpbarron: can it be used with net console?

04:34:14 asciilifeform: doesn't dhcp by default, so no

04:35:07 asciilifeform: i just tested the nic

04:35:08 danielpbarron: i don't think mine does dhcp and still works

04:35:13 asciilifeform: nic works

04:35:21 asciilifeform: danielpbarron: odd

04:35:30 danielpbarron: i don't mean now that it's booted

04:35:34 danielpbarron: imean in uboot

04:35:41 asciilifeform: i didn't change the uboot

04:35:43 danielpbarron: setenv serverip 192...

04:35:43 asciilifeform: dear glub

04:35:52 danielpbarron: yeah i know, i mean whatever thing i put on it

04:35:53 asciilifeform: uboot is in a separate nand partition

04:35:59 asciilifeform: i didn't touch it

04:36:15 asciilifeform: what i put up just now as turdel-with-rootfs is just a kernel

04:36:22 asciilifeform: i don't even flash these in, booting from lan

04:36:29 danielpbarron: same

04:36:30 asciilifeform: or probably would've worn out my nand already

04:36:41 danielpbarron: i mean that i had previously flashed in a different uboot

04:36:49 asciilifeform: and booting arch every time i do a build would be retarded

04:36:50 danielpbarron: one that lets me set a serverip

04:36:55 asciilifeform: ah

04:37:03 asciilifeform: but that normally doesn't get you past the kernel jump-in

04:37:07 danielpbarron: as it boots it says "so and so is alive'

04:37:16 asciilifeform: after that it goes straight out ttyS0

04:38:07 asciilifeform: so danielpbarron's 'works' does not mean logging in through netconsole ?

04:38:10 asciilifeform: as in, to the shell

04:38:30 danielpbarron: i have not tried with the thing you just made

04:38:35 asciilifeform: aha

04:38:37 asciilifeform: ok more logical

04:38:41 asciilifeform: don't expect that to work

04:38:55 asciilifeform: this turdel is strictly for folks with serial ports

04:39:41 asciilifeform: barring any other peculiar surprises, we have a linux kernel that builds for pogo, and runs there

04:39:48 asciilifeform: and an elementary userland to go with it

04:39:57 asciilifeform: ('busybox'-based)

04:40:18 asciilifeform: weights slightly under 5MB but can be cut a bit

04:40:23 asciilifeform: *weighs

04:40:39 danielpbarron: trying now

04:40:58 danielpbarron: oh i see what you mean

04:41:06 danielpbarron: i remember why this didn't work with the netbsd one

04:41:41 danielpbarron: what is the point of netcat then?

04:41:45 asciilifeform: which 'this'

04:42:31 asciilifeform: danielpbarron: the point of the console-over-netcat was strictly to be able to screw with u-boot (adjust boot device, etc.) without having the serial port

04:43:01 danielpbarron: ah

04:43:12 danielpbarron: ok nevermind, nubbins` learn to solder

04:43:34 asciilifeform: this won't be an issue for much longer

04:44:06 asciilifeform: i'ma fix it so it grabs a dhcp addr. tomorrow.

04:44:33 danielpbarron: i feel a lot more confident to write documentation on that now

04:44:38 asciilifeform: btw this is not what the proper kernel will look like

04:44:43 danielpbarron: i was really confused about netcat to be honest

04:44:46 asciilifeform: because linux supports the nand just fine

04:44:54 asciilifeform: and there is no reason to clutter up the precious ram

04:44:57 asciilifeform: with crap

04:45:12 asciilifeform: userland (incl. bitcoind) will live in nand

04:45:31 asciilifeform: right now they're stuffed in the kernel proper

04:46:04 asciilifeform: when all of this makes sense - i'll post the diff.

04:46:10 danielpbarron: well i'll also leave mine on overnight

04:46:26 danielpbarron: oh btw, what color is the light on yours?

04:46:31 asciilifeform: yellow

04:46:51 danielpbarron: i was gonna call it orange

04:46:54 asciilifeform: this simply means the bicolor is on

04:46:57 asciilifeform: as in, both bits set

04:46:59 danielpbarron: yeah

04:47:04 danielpbarron: it's not green and not red

04:47:24 asciilifeform: laugh, but this also must be fixed

04:47:37 asciilifeform: it'll be most people's only interface to their nodes...

04:47:47 danielpbarron: my arch pogos have working lights

04:47:59 danielpbarron: they are green 24/7

04:48:01 danielpbarron: lol

04:48:18 asciilifeform: danielpbarron: do you remember how to toggle them ?

04:48:23 danielpbarron: no

04:48:40 danielpbarron: i think it's in the debian instructions nubbins` found

04:49:10 danielpbarron: #set archNumber and machid (for LED)

04:49:11 danielpbarron: /tmp/fw_setenv arcNumber 3960

04:49:11 danielpbarron: /tmp/fw_setenv machid F78

04:50:19 asciilifeform: ^ this doesn't do anything unless your kernel looks for these numbers

04:56:18 felipelalli: Hi! I'd like to update this page: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots to add assbot and deedbot- how can I create an user in this wiki? Thank you.

04:56:19 assbot: irc_bots [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1EGTQ9f )

04:58:20 danielpbarron: ;;later tell kakobrekla ^ and me too plz

04:58:21 gribble: The operation succeeded.

05:07:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22300 @ 0.00022578 = 5.0349 BTC [-] {3}

05:22:10 felipelalli: Let me ask: about Bitcoin OTC WoT or Assbot, there is a public API where I can navigate in all database? Or just trough the irc commands? I want to make a "rank" similar to this: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fb/PageRanks-Example.svg

05:22:11 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1OzIDzm )

05:34:14 nubbins`: prolly should have tested tftp before setting it first in the boot order on the pogo

05:34:23 nubbins`: i guess this is as good a time as any to call it a night

05:59:13 BingoBoingo: !up Vexual

06:00:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24832 @ 0.00022652 = 5.6249 BTC [+] {3}

06:02:44 Vexual: ohimjust here for the plonk data

06:03:22 Vexual: i heard cork, bordeaux 2 euro,

06:04:07 Vexual: might have to buy this pogo thing too

06:04:27 mircea_popescu: dude asciilifeform talking to danielpbarron is breaking my stack. same length names!

06:09:48 Vexual: hey popescue, two bottle of wine, one better than the other, which do you drink first?

06:11:55 mircea_popescu: the other.

06:12:19 Vexual: same

06:14:55 mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072204 << it has just as good a one as normal pc : ethernet board

06:14:55 assbot: Logged on 26-03-2015 04:33:21; asciilifeform: not even a very bad one.

06:18:12 mircea_popescu: felipelalli yes you can query it with curl. it spits out json if you append json to any dir

06:18:35 mircea_popescu: see http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot

06:18:36 assbot: irc_bots:assbot [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1J2qvKF )

06:33:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16384 @ 0.00022509 = 3.6879 BTC [-]

06:34:54 BingoBoingo: !up Vexual

06:36:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00021915 = 2.1915 BTC [-] {2}

06:37:57 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqeW9_5kURI

06:38:59 Vexual: portlands changed

06:39:51 Vexual: i guess that what parole is

06:40:23 Vexual: ;;lasercats

06:40:23 gribble: Error: "lasercats" is not a valid command.

06:40:36 Vexual: my eyes!

06:46:46 Vexual: fuck if you cant bankruot without a name change tho

06:53:20 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGLx4zzMdRA

06:59:47 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiZF7-hSGWA

07:21:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4571 @ 0.00022453 = 1.0263 BTC [+]

07:37:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48000 @ 0.00021695 = 10.4136 BTC [-] {3}

07:57:00 fluffypony: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/30ay6u/almost_10_more_full_nodes_since_this_morning/cpr6f6t?context=3

07:57:02 assbot: fluffyponyza comments on Almost 10% more full nodes since this morning connected to the network. Over 400 more in US. Is there some sort of competition I don't know of ? ... ( http://bit.ly/1xAZ4GA )

07:59:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7462 @ 0.0002159 = 1.611 BTC [-]

08:38:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17714 @ 0.0001694 = 3.0008 BTC [-]

09:33:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31600 @ 0.00017002 = 5.3726 BTC [+] {3}

09:47:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12109 @ 0.00016632 = 2.014 BTC [-]

10:22:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11000 @ 0.00016632 = 1.8295 BTC [-]

10:37:25 mats: ffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuu

10:48:35 jurov: http://cs-people.bu.edu/heilman/eclipse/

10:48:35 assbot: Eclipse Attacks on Bitcoin’s Peer-to-Peer Network ... ( http://bit.ly/1EH849Y )

10:48:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6805 @ 0.00016581 = 1.1283 BTC [-] {2}

10:48:43 jurov: hi mats

10:51:04 davout: mats: this seems to be supporting mp's thing "bitcoin can only work over gossipd"

10:55:27 mats: hi friends

11:53:53 jurov: http://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/30d28r/bitcoin_floundation_moves_to_dilute_the_bitcoin/ jus' for fun

11:53:54 assbot: Bitcoin Floundation Moves To Dilute The Bitcoin Brand : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/19TCzSE )

12:03:31 davout: jurov: buttcoin is best coin

12:03:50 davout: gotta make fun of the neckbeard pesos

12:11:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20953 @ 0.00014884 = 3.1186 BTC [-]

12:16:29 davout: wow

12:16:34 davout: S.MPOE freefall

12:17:04 davout: ;;later tell mircea_popescu looks like someone has locked S.MPOE's cockpit from the inside!

12:17:05 gribble: The operation succeeded.

12:18:32 mike_c: still at 36 pe. it's getting into "value" range now with 3% divs.

12:22:26 danielpbarron: asciilifeform, still running, http://danielpbarron.com/turdel-with-rootfs.txt

12:22:27 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1HM076o )

12:22:49 danielpbarron: height=298597 vs height=216895

12:36:03 jurov: !t m s.mpoe

12:36:03 assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00014884 / 0.00022246 / 0.00025392 (937851 shares, 208.63 BTC), 7D: 0.00014884 / 0.00026871 / 0.00030622 (11824171 shares, 3,177.35 BTC), 30D: 0.00014884 / 0.00034565 / 0.0004493 (80690536 shares, 27,891.42 BTC)

12:36:17 jurov: !t m s.qntr

12:36:17 assbot: [MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00020808 / 0.00020865 / 0.00021 (10000 shares, 2.09 BTC), 30D: 0.00020808 / 0.00024954 / 0.000301 (46659 shares, 11.64 BTC)

12:36:39 jurov: 30d still won't budge

12:37:44 jurov: davout no cockpit, we just uncovered the fraud with kako

12:38:03 davout: lolwass

12:38:43 jurov: supposedly everyone got their own deposit addy and nobody except me comes here to pester mircea for deposits/withdrawals

12:38:56 jurov: i'm very curious what aill come out of this

12:39:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23300 @ 0.00014884 = 3.468 BTC [-]

12:41:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18000 @ 0.00014884 = 2.6791 BTC [-]

12:43:53 jurov: but i hope that if mp was scammer, he'd have arranged the situation to not look so forlorn :D

12:44:20 mike_c: jurov: wouldn't you expect most people to not ask for deposits/withdrawals in channel?

12:44:48 mike_c: i mean, i don't think i've ever seen anyone ever except you ask in channel.

12:45:15 jurov: why is everyone so utterly secretive?

12:45:31 mike_c: it's not secretive, it's just, why shout it?

12:47:03 mike_c: also, the 'announcement' was recent and the slide started some time ago. my guess is it has more to do with the drop in revenue than anything else, but mp and I have argued that before :)

12:48:16 jurov: i know, being half serious.. but really, i remember from s.dice times half of the chan bragging(or mourning) about trades they did

12:48:34 jurov: i don't remember any such thing for a long time recentyl

12:49:06 mike_c: heh, yeah. but that said more about s.dice than anything else

12:49:21 mike_c: people didn't brag/mourn about options trades either, and those were brutal

12:49:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28947 @ 0.00014884 = 4.3085 BTC [-]

12:50:04 jurov: but small investors that were caught there, talked about it

12:51:30 mike_c: !t m s.bbet

12:51:30 assbot: [MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: / / ( shares, BTC), 30D: 0.000065 / 0.00009669 / 0.00025 (100399 shares, 9.71 BTC)

12:52:00 jurov: ^ large part of this was me, buying for upcoming divs

12:52:21 mike_c: ^ 1% of bitbet has turned over in the last month. that seems "right" to me. s.mg is untradeable because it has so much coin.

12:52:39 davout: mike_c: howso?

12:53:00 mike_c: how do you trade in a company with no revenue and 10k bitcoin on the books?

12:53:33 davout: i'd naively say you'd base a valuation on the cash assets?

12:53:47 mike_c: heh, well, it's currently trading below book value

12:54:20 mike_c: but, point being, these stocks are generally held by serious investors and aren't going to have huge turnover.

12:54:27 davout: i see

12:54:53 mike_c: so without the options, where does mpex get revenue? it's an issue, and one that may be being reflected now in the stock price

12:56:27 mike_c: of course, the options exchange was hardly closed without reason (including some that remained unspoken), so it's tough to bring it back.

12:59:38 mike_c: davout: re s.mg. I think the problem there is that it is speculative whether they will be able to generate enough revenue to move the needle on the share price. so you might have your capital frozen in a stock that is basically valued as a pile of cash.

13:00:07 mike_c: which is why some people who would rather have the cash themselves are willing to dump it at 90% of book value.

13:00:49 mike_c: and I think it's too bad because it's an exciting company. if they're never going to spend the money, maybe just special dividend it back to the shareholders.

13:02:02 jurov: they will find a way to circulate them into ingame economy, that is not so big problem

13:02:41 mike_c: people have to pay to play, what do they need seed money for the game for?

13:04:10 jurov: not a q for me

13:06:38 jurov: i should not have vented here, perhaps am just disillusioned how shabbily it works, deposits, dividends

13:07:21 mike_c: around the edges it is rough, but the important parts are rock solid.

13:08:10 jurov: i fucked too intimately with said parts to put myself behind such statement

13:08:32 mike_c: you think the trading engine isn't solid? or security?

13:09:42 jurov: security is good. but i won't repeat myself about the other stuff

13:11:35 mike_c: i've heard you talk about stuff like 'eventually consistent' and the statements missing some useful tracking features.

13:11:55 mike_c: but i've never heard about problems like 'my bid didn't match the best offer'

13:12:17 mike_c: except one time where something got fucked with a proxy i think :)

13:12:28 mike_c: but once in x years isn't bad

13:12:40 jurov: yes, if that's all you expect from an exchange...

13:13:04 mike_c: hm. yeah, it pretty much is :)

13:13:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16100 @ 0.00014698 = 2.3664 BTC [-]

13:13:24 mike_c: but i can see you wanting more give you run a brokerage

13:14:15 jurov: i can see even non-broker client wanting to avoid hairy state machine to accurately track the account for daytrading

13:14:26 mike_c: who wants fucking daytraders?

13:14:50 mike_c: let the brokers deal with them :)

13:15:58 mike_c: and i mean that from a business perspective, i'm sure some of them are perfectly pleasant people who just happen to think they are going to daytrade their way to stardom.

13:15:58 jurov: davout isn't even daytrading... and took him fkn long time to get the bot right

13:16:19 jurov: not going to argue with you

13:16:48 mike_c: i'm not trying to argue, was just trying to flesh out the issues. but i think we covered it.

13:18:10 jurov: !s every movement from:jurov

13:18:11 assbot: 0 results for 'every movement from:jurov' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=every+movement++from%3Ajurov

13:18:21 jurov: !s every balance from:jurov

13:18:21 assbot: 1 results for 'every balance from:jurov' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=every+balance++from%3Ajurov

13:19:27 jurov: only filthy daytraders would need such, i guess

13:27:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30050 @ 0.00014554 = 4.3735 BTC [-] {2}

13:27:29 mike_c: i'm trying to think of one, what balance change wouldn't have a reason?

13:27:53 jurov: deposits/withdrawals/pushes aren't shown in stat

13:28:00 mike_c: ah, right

13:28:17 jurov: and there were misc options.futures expirations

13:28:39 mike_c: yes, that was suboptimal :)

13:28:47 mike_c: but actually i thought we got that fixed

13:29:27 jurov: except for x.eur balances vanishing in the middle of month (at least it's at known time) and reappearing any time later

13:31:26 jurov: and dunno if you remember, there were daily interest payments in the beginning. without stat mention and at random times

13:32:04 mike_c: this is part of the reason though too. products come and go, with different features.

13:32:51 mike_c: x.eur hasn't been around that long. if it sticks around long enough, i'm sure it will work better.

13:33:15 jurov: what reason?

13:33:36 mike_c: part of the reason there are rough edges is that there are a lot of different products on mpex

13:33:47 mike_c: with differing needs

13:34:54 mike_c: path 1: engineer each product perfectly and ship 20 months late (sorry s.nsa). path 2: push it out, make sure it works as advertised, if it gets popular and sticks around, smooth out rough edges.

13:37:15 jurov: well, if mpex isn't now structurally able to issue information like "BalanceChange":[{"Date:": "blabla","MPSIC": "X.EUR", "Change": "-100", "Reason" :"Future expiration"}]

13:37:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10750 @ 0.00014527 = 1.5617 BTC [-]

13:37:32 jurov: adding it later will only be harder

13:39:52 jurov: !up Vexual

13:40:16 jurov: anyway, having errands, brb

13:40:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21000 @ 0.0001443 = 3.0303 BTC [-]

13:50:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55492 @ 0.00014985 = 8.3155 BTC [+] {2}

13:51:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8398 @ 0.00015364 = 1.2903 BTC [+]

14:05:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8616 @ 0.00015364 = 1.3238 BTC [+]

14:26:36 nubbins`: bricked the pogo, guess i'll need serial cable after all ;/

14:27:09 fluffypony: how'd ya do that?

14:29:16 nubbins`: changed the boot order to check the NAND first, and then stuffed a bunch of garbage into it

14:29:28 nubbins`: https://twitter.com/aantonop/status/580862283158523904

14:29:30 assbot: 안녕하세요 http://t.co/q3eLLSDinv

14:29:35 nubbins`: ^ pronounced like "bitte coin"

14:29:46 nubbins`: any deutsch in here? 8)

14:30:57 nubbins`: (also note the smaller characters above: two syllables, "suh"

14:30:59 nubbins`: and "ool"

14:31:19 nubbins`: or as westy likes to pronounce, "sole"

14:32:04 nubbins`: "With 1 Bitcoin and 650+ alternative coins each with their own symbol this new currency needs its symbol"

14:32:07 nubbins`: my sides

14:32:24 nubbins`: with 1 hot dog and 200 brands of frozen pizza, this new food needs a name.

14:35:34 mats: https://www.fireeye.com/blog/threat-research/2015/03/flash_in_2015.html

14:35:36 assbot: Flash in 2015 « Threat Research | FireEye Inc ... ( http://bit.ly/1CrJEUZ )

14:36:16 nubbins`: "That's odd: all 600+ new nodes came online with the user agent "/Satoshi:0.10.99/Gangnam Style:v4.01""

14:37:26 nubbins`: !up Vexual

14:38:36 Vexual: 10.99, what happened to 1.0?

14:39:26 Vexual: almmost elen\venty, cmon

14:42:06 mats: http://money.cnn.com/2015/03/25/investing/stocks-marketsdow-fall-growth-concern/index.html

14:42:07 assbot: Dow tumbles 292 points as economy shows cracks - Mar. 25, 2015 ... ( http://bit.ly/1CrK6m0 )

14:43:10 Vexual: yemens blowing up

14:45:36 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RS-WPTmaXvs saaab stories, but seriously, shit ron

14:45:54 Vexual: *shits orn

14:46:49 nubbins`: my other saab is a car

14:47:04 Vexual: lol,

14:47:28 Vexual: vine leaf porches

14:47:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23686 @ 0.00015425 = 3.6536 BTC [+] {2}

14:48:26 thestringpuller: !ticker m s.mpoe

14:48:26 assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.0001443 / 0.00020611 / 0.00025392 (1144012 shares, 235.80 BTC), 7D: 0.0001443 / 0.00026565 / 0.00030622 (11796040 shares, 3,133.70 BTC), 30D: 0.0001443 / 0.00034497 / 0.0004493 (80838287 shares, 27,887.00 BTC)

14:48:31 Vexual: seriously these yemenese will eat you

14:48:47 thestringpuller: !t m s.qntr

14:48:47 assbot: [MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00020808 / 0.00020865 / 0.00021 (10000 shares, 2.09 BTC), 30D: 0.00020808 / 0.00024954 / 0.000301 (46659 shares, 11.64 BTC)

14:48:50 Vexual: and yo horse

14:49:23 Vexual: if its moist, its food

14:50:50 Vexual: you cant just bomb em'

14:52:05 Vexual: ;;seen dub

14:52:05 gribble: dub was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 10 weeks, 0 days, 17 hours, 53 minutes, and 55 seconds ago: <dub> thats an interesting one for france given cambodia

14:54:46 asciilifeform: http://cryptome.org/2015/03/snowden-cia-fraud.htm << m3t4-nsa-l0l

14:54:46 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bs7eMz )

14:55:38 asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu << http://homment.com/3K3xdsYD7a << reads like nuttery at first, but all of the factual claims as far as i could verify are - factual... if you can't bring yourself to grind it, have someone do it

14:55:39 assbot: Russia gov report Snowden Greenwald are CIA frauds pt1 ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bs7jzM )

14:55:39 gribble: The operation succeeded.

14:56:15 asciilifeform: 'NSA 'revelations' of liar-poseur Snowden, were chosen because (a) not really new (b) superficially fascinating, adding lustre to CIA media (c) mass-media exposure does not inhibit surveillance, and adds terror to those aware of it, adding to CIA-NSA success...'

14:56:44 asciilifeform: 'CIA-Wikipedia ("Every dumbf-ck in the world believes Wikipedia") - artificially pumped by CIA Google to top of search results, a 'Trojan horse' for inserting CIA lies and rubbish - see the EU police report on Wikipedia fundraising fraud...'

14:56:50 Vexual: waambulance

14:57:23 asciilifeform: 'Helping identify and destroy genuine US / UK / Nato leakers, duping them into trusting fake 'brave reporters' for Snowden (CIA-backed Greenwald, Guardian, NYT), then these media help CIA to silence, destroy, extort, kill any real whistleblowers - leakers - dissidents.'

14:57:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 60000 @ 0.00003998 = 2.3988 BTC [-] {18}

14:57:51 asciilifeform: 'Advance CIA side of old CIA-NSA territory dispute in US government, in favour of CIA more traditionally allied with US wealthy ruling families; achieving goal of limiting NSA powers, which had become felt as a general threat (blackmail) and even financial threat (insider trading) to US leading families.'

14:59:18 asciilifeform: 'Carmen Ortiz is reminded that two other female prosecutors, Thelma Colbert and Shannon Ross, were both found dead after opposing Bush family interests. Ortiz is asked if she would like to be the 3rd dead female prosecutor.'

14:59:25 asciilifeform: many other stimulating tidbits.

15:02:27 asciilifeform: 'The American cult of judicial corruption - central tool of America's 'Deep State' government mafia - is not well known, because experts on it - like myself - are 'erased' from internet searches, with US judges directly 'ordering' Google to censor evidence and journalism about their crimes. The world is instead deceived and fooled by the image of US courts in Hollywood movies and on Google search results - hiding the grim real

15:02:27 asciilifeform: ity. The central role of the US judge-lawyer mafia, is the reason over 1 million Americans have become lawyers in what is the developed world's most abusive, corrupt legal system. Though many American lawyers are now unemployed or low-income, they often became lawyers in the first place, because they hoped for at least a junior role in the US courtroom mafia, with a licence to steal the wealth of others.'

15:02:32 Vexual: pretty sure brazillians are de rigieur and we wont see another bush'

15:03:15 asciilifeform: 'The two richest men in America, my Harvard classmate Bill Gates whom I met as a boy, and Warren Buffett, were both quite threatened when they were acting too independently of America's ruling consensus. Legal action - by America's bribed, extorted judges and regulators - menaced them both. As each backed down and became more submissive to US policies, the threatened legal and regulatory actions against them evaporated.'

15:04:08 asciilifeform: anyway this should be enough lure for everybody. mega-lulzy tirade. if chumpatronic, it is of top quality and i take off my hat to the chumpatronicist.

15:08:11 thestringpuller: !up Vexual

15:08:26 asciilifeform: 'In response to a legal request submitted to Google, we have removed 1 result(s) from this page.'

15:08:45 Vexual: lol thats how i find content

15:09:03 asciilifeform: but the notification itself was removed.

15:09:23 asciilifeform: fella linked to a page full of 'removed' instead of search results, for his name

15:09:28 Vexual: thats unusual

15:09:47 asciilifeform: seems like somebody worked overtime to replace most of these with a set of 'benign' 'he's a nutter' results

15:11:41 asciilifeform: https://www.indymedia.nl/en/2011/07/77181.shtml << more or less the only other mention i was able to find of him.

15:11:41 assbot: Indymedia NL (The Netherlands) - EU Report, Google Inc. Anti-Competition Crimes & Deception ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bs8rDx )

15:12:19 Vexual: good one,, funny

15:12:36 Vexual: google rports crimes now?

15:13:04 Vexual: or what?

15:13:32 Vexual: you see the latest hip hop moving to spotify only

15:14:01 asciilifeform: Vexual: i also did not see the latest gas vortex on jupiter.

15:14:21 Vexual: hmm, that sounds like something i might have said

15:15:04 Vexual: oh levels are high

15:15:54 Vexual: did i have aplan for some moon or other?

15:16:28 asciilifeform: http://yandex.ru/yandsearch?text=%22Leszek%20Sachs%22 << not particularly more interesting

15:16:30 assbot: Яндекс ... ( http://bit.ly/1HLnccF )

15:16:45 asciilifeform: almost enough to nail down the thesis that yandex lifts results straight from google

15:17:30 asciilifeform: did turn up one more, http://www.banned-in-america.net/david-e-rosenbaum-murdered.html

15:17:30 assbot: The murder of US journalist David Rosenbaum, as he investigated corrupt US judges - questions remain ... ( http://bit.ly/1HLnD6W )

15:19:37 asciilifeform: danielpbarron: 11:03:18 up 11:03, load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.04

15:22:49 asciilifeform: can we get mr Sachs in here ?

15:22:55 asciilifeform: what would it take ?

15:22:56 nubbins`: chumpatronicist

15:22:57 nubbins`: lel

15:23:02 Vexual: can we get mcafee?

15:24:53 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKgf5PaBzyg

15:25:39 Vexual: he dont write asm anymore

15:27:07 nubbins`: asciilifeform must i gunzip turdel then tftp 0x800000 filename.gz?

15:27:12 nubbins`: er wat.

15:27:21 asciilifeform: nubbins`: yes

15:27:23 nubbins`: consider the above q modified to make sense

15:27:24 nubbins`: ok

15:27:34 nubbins`: did so. obv smth was incorrect

15:27:50 asciilifeform: nubbins`: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000050.html << as i wrote here

15:27:50 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bs9yD4 )

15:28:08 nubbins`: nod, the ".ub" confused as the gunzip'd file had no ext

15:29:22 nubbins`: PROTIP to self: put tftp /after/ mmc in boot order next time

15:31:40 asciilifeform: 'The CIA-Snowden fraud was, to a degree, a semi-brilliant scam, even though it is now falling apart. On the surface, it seems anyone talking about these awful NSA activities 'must be genuine' - Few people considered what else Snowden was saying. When he moves out of an extremely narrow channel of CIA-scripted 'NSA revelations', Snowden's agenda is to be a slimy, sleazy salesman...'

15:32:26 asciilifeform: was i the only one here who actually read (for a time) mr s's (purported) www output (e.g., 'twitter', etc) ?

15:32:33 asciilifeform: it was full of outright garbage

15:32:48 nubbins`: i missed it, but his "how to use tor" video was painful

15:32:57 asciilifeform: and if 'the real snowden' ever stood up to refute the 'fake' - i never heard of such.

15:34:20 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-03-2015#1043648 << thread where mircea_popescu illuminates the war between cia and nsa

15:34:20 assbot: Logged on 06-03-2015 00:52:42; mircea_popescu: if you decide to fuck whomint, where the fuck is harry poter fanfic boy going to find money to pay for his groceries ?

15:34:51 asciilifeform: though 'war' is very much the wrong term, just as 'fight' is not a correct word for what happens between the corresponding two types of kid in the playground

15:35:37 nubbins`: struggle

15:35:45 asciilifeform: clobbering.

15:36:08 asciilifeform: it's only a 'struggle' if they're both still moving.

15:36:15 nubbins`: Hello. Thanks for your email. We were selling these consistently at $30-$35. The price seems to fluctuate on these overtime.I know that many people are modifying them for other things so I know there is a very strong market for them. We have about 3000 of these left at this point.I would be willing to sell a minimum of 1000 units but would be more interested in selling all 3000 that I have left. Can you tell me what you're wanting to do

15:36:15 nubbins`: with them? Are you just wanting to resell them or modify them or something else? Please feel free to make me an offer on a minimum of 1000 units or an offer for all 3000 units if that would interest you. I look forward to hearing from you soon!

15:36:16 hexual: skylarking?

15:36:41 nubbins`: asciilifeform mircea_popescu etc ^^

15:36:50 nubbins`: pogov4

15:36:56 asciilifeform: which type

15:37:00 nubbins`: purple, like yrs

15:37:02 asciilifeform: aha

15:37:09 hexual: price landed

15:37:20 nubbins`: current list price is 18usdea

15:37:26 asciilifeform: i wonder how many one could get at the list price

15:37:29 nubbins`: not sure what the guy's sweet spot is

15:37:37 asciilifeform: i was half-expecting that my 10 would exhaust the supply

15:37:42 asciilifeform: (it didn't, of course)

15:38:05 asciilifeform: nubbins`: where was this ?

15:38:08 asciilifeform: the manufacturer ?

15:38:17 nubbins`: amazon seller

15:39:12 nubbins`: !up Vexual

15:41:25 Vexual: yall should have someone sesible liek do da emails

15:50:13 *: nubbins` is sensibul biznis ownur

15:50:26 *: Vexual is on the good wine

15:50:46 danielpbarron: so like 18k to 50k worth?

15:51:13 Vexual: 2 euro

15:52:39 asciilifeform: 'The laughable CIA story we are asked to swallow, is that the US regime is doing zero against Omidyar, despite his being the 'owner' of 'tens of thousands' of 'Snowden stolen espionage documents'. When of course if 'Snowden' was not a CIA operation, all American hell would be loose against Omidyar, Greenwald and the rest, targeting their assets and persons on US territory.'

15:54:27 asciilifeform: 'After making public revelations critical of US policies, former CIA director William Colby was himself found dead in 1996 from a laughably improbable 'canoe accident'. US Congressman Wayne Owens was found dead in Israel in 2002 while investigating US corruption connections.' << 'best news is the history you didn't know' (mircea_popescu?)

15:55:23 mod6: !t m s.mpoe

15:55:23 assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.0001443 / 0.00020445 / 0.00025392 (1031337 shares, 210.86 BTC), 7D: 0.0001443 / 0.00026506 / 0.00030622 (11517071 shares, 3,052.80 BTC), 30D: 0.0001443 / 0.00034496 / 0.0004493 (80824654 shares, 27,881.74 BTC)

15:55:41 Vexual: tahiti is a long way in a canoe

15:55:53 mod6: fuckin 'a right

15:56:03 Vexual: the journey prefers stout gents

15:56:23 nubbins`: the stout prefers gent journeys

15:56:34 nubbins`: ok, reply sent. let's see where this goes.

15:56:37 Vexual: dont they tho

16:00:41 nubbins`: "But Wi-Fi hotspots can't deliver wireless connection speeds any faster than the incoming wired connection from your cable or other ISP (Internet service provider); top theoretical AC router speeds are only available in a direct computer-to-computer wireless connections, which you'll never do."

16:00:45 nubbins`: so much fail

16:01:00 nubbins`: you're right, i'd never want to transfer data within my network

16:01:21 asciilifeform: nubbins`: whatever it was, was probably referring to 'ad hoc mode'

16:01:23 Vexual: the bettong with the scroll on its ankle is the bottleneck here

16:01:48 asciilifeform: nubbins`: you use ad-hoc mode often ?

16:02:06 nubbins`: in fact, i don't, but i kinda think that's not what the guy meant to say

16:02:17 asciilifeform: what even was this

16:02:18 nubbins`: who cares what the router speed is if you're going ad-hoc?

16:02:30 nubbins`: just some random huffpo article about how yr router is lying to you

16:02:39 nubbins`: because the pipe coming into your house is slower

16:02:48 nubbins`: (o.O)

16:02:57 Vexual: not in japan its not

16:03:10 asciilifeform: not here, either

16:03:17 Vexual: they have optic fibre to the eyeball

16:03:46 Vexual: yeah but youd have it anyway ascii

16:04:16 asciilifeform: i have a few wifi devices. the radio is definitely the bottleneck.

16:04:57 Vexual: nubbins shoos bears off his wifi'

16:05:30 nubbins`: i think this was written for USians with slow pipes

16:05:40 nubbins`: fiber to the door here, i dare the wifi to keep up

16:07:36 thestringpuller: wifi is for people who don't like living in a house akin to Kowloon Walled City

16:07:44 Vexual: i wrote this next week

16:09:45 Vexual: yes, comin atchya on a 1.4

16:14:42 asciilifeform: 'As they say, 'you cannot make these things up', the Americans are so ridiculously obvious as they conduct criminal deceptions. The CIA's 'Watergate' scheme to destroy Richard Nixon 40 years ago, was so successfully with the fake 'brave reporter' Woodward, that the CIA even decided to use Woodward's junior partner as a fake 'brave reporter' along with Greenwald in 'Operation Fake Dissident Snowden'.'

16:39:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 234882 @ 0.00015768 = 37.0362 BTC [-] {4}

16:54:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34900 @ 0.00015753 = 5.4978 BTC [-]

17:14:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22700 @ 0.00015753 = 3.5759 BTC [-]

17:18:02 asciilifeform: http://pastebin.com/BCSUcA13

17:18:03 assbot: CIA fraud Julian Assange abusing Ecuador London embassy - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1ydCNsV )

17:18:28 asciilifeform: 'Assange and Snowden are cold or actively insulting and hostile to real dissidents. For example, Assange grossly insults anyone who does not believe the absurd US gov story about 11 Sep 2001 - which no serious person believes. Assange insults the thousands of architects, engineers, US military and intelligence veterans, who continually describe how the 'official story' is a fraud. '

17:20:16 nubbins`: "I am a Harvard classmate of top US leaders" the wankery is strong with this one

17:20:28 asciilifeform: nubbins`: i don't give a damn if he claims to be a martian

17:20:36 asciilifeform: the story, to the extent it can be checked out, checks out.

17:20:44 nubbins`: how about if he claims to be a martian in every communique? 8)

17:20:50 asciilifeform: and fits the known facts more tightly than anything else i've encountered

17:21:02 asciilifeform: that is, why not a single one of the 'leaks' actually damaged any tangible lizard interest

17:21:28 asciilifeform: recall that the nsa devices catalogue was -not- a snowden leak

17:21:33 asciilifeform: but came from the other fella

17:21:38 asciilifeform: now (almost certainly) dead

17:21:56 asciilifeform: it shuffled in and was permitted to spread, to lend credibility to the rest of the pile.

17:22:12 nubbins`: yfw 0.5.3 has a hidden backdoor and both satoshi and mp are complicit!

17:22:36 asciilifeform: nubbins`: that's your 'incredulity immune system' healthily working

17:23:01 nubbins`: and me without a general checkup in years

17:23:52 nubbins`: anyway, you're correct in that nothing leaked was particularly damaging to the lizards

17:24:06 nubbins`: which in itself is mildly curious

17:24:19 asciilifeform: and that details of -specific- compromises, clearly apparent from context in some of the docs, were scrubbed

17:24:54 nubbins`: i bet assange is such a fucking dirtbag

17:25:04 nubbins`: he probably eats potato chips for breakfast

17:25:05 asciilifeform: sachs also lists names, times, places of folks 'suicided' by usg, with reasons.

17:25:12 asciilifeform: no one has, afaik, seen it fit to refute any of it.

17:26:19 asciilifeform: at any rate, i'll summarize for the impatient. according to sachs, snowden heap was lifted. but under cia (his original and actual employer) direction. and then carefully selected.

17:27:09 asciilifeform: mainly to create a usg-controlled 'muppet hero' who will lead actual leakers to their deaths

17:27:26 asciilifeform: but also to drum up a feeling of 'everyone is surveilled'

17:27:52 asciilifeform: sachs does -not- mention it, but the folks in #b-a know well, that it also created a vast and thriving market of faux 'security' paraphernalia.

17:27:53 nubbins`: i wonder how many btc people sent snowden

17:28:04 asciilifeform: ('redphone', 'blackphone', and 1001 other pieces of rubbish)

17:28:12 nubbins`: ah, blackphone, i recall

17:28:18 nubbins`: turns out it was in fact clearphone?

17:28:27 asciilifeform: long ago proven fact.

17:28:30 nubbins`: rite

17:28:39 asciilifeform: and countless other 'schneierisms.'

17:31:31 felipelalli: mircea_popescu: thank you so much. But I guess this is not true on OTC WoT? Only in assbot, right?

17:32:12 danielpbarron: otc sucks anyway

17:33:19 mod6: well, it didn't used to suck.

17:34:13 mod6: speaking of... i kinda miss trading otc

17:35:29 danielpbarron: do miners even sell in there? or is it all people acting as coinbase pass-throughs?

17:36:24 mod6: I dunno anymore. It used to be different.

17:38:04 mod6: is there a way to visually see the ratings for a given nick with assbot?

17:38:20 mircea_popescu: o wow check that out, 15s!

17:38:25 mircea_popescu: iamsopoor.jpg

17:40:07 mod6: !gettrust mod6 assbot

17:40:08 assbot: Trust relationship from user mod6 to user assbot: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 8 via 4 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/mod6/assbot | http://w.b-a.link/user/assbot

17:41:38 mike_c: mod6: soon. it'll be public after conference.

17:41:44 mod6: krad

17:42:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 235486 @ 0.00015906 = 37.4564 BTC [+] {3}

17:43:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 125550 @ 0.00016085 = 20.1947 BTC [+]

17:44:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 199550 @ 0.00016085 = 32.0976 BTC [+]

17:45:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 873079 @ 0.00016333 = 142.6 BTC [+] {3}

17:46:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 306674 @ 0.00017534 = 53.7722 BTC [+] {5}

17:49:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00019321 = 1.9514 BTC [+]

17:51:38 mod6: !t m s.mpoe

17:51:39 assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.0001443 / 0.00017661 / 0.00025392 (3033844 shares, 535.82 BTC), 7D: 0.0001443 / 0.00024898 / 0.00030622 (13265892 shares, 3,303.03 BTC), 30D: 0.0001443 / 0.00034046 / 0.0004493 (82819096 shares, 28,197.34 BTC)

17:54:28 mod6: !gettrust assbot nubbins`

17:54:28 assbot: Trust relationship from user assbot to user nubbins`: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 12 via 12 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/nubbins%60 | http://w.b-a.link/user/nubbins%60

17:55:16 mod6: Hey nubbins`: if you're not signed up to the btc-dev list, now is not a horrible time. You wouldn't mind sending your OSX steps there (in a clearsigned message) would you?

17:56:43 nubbins`: oh, sure. here's the thing tho

17:56:53 mod6: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=uJQDaKcz << this thing

17:56:54 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1D2nQl9 )

17:56:55 mod6: ok

17:57:17 nubbins`: i'mma have to set up a new pgp key

17:57:31 mod6: ah, ok. best day to do that is today.

17:57:37 nubbins`: o?

17:57:46 mod6: well, so the saying goes :]

17:57:57 mod6: anyway, thanks in advance.

17:58:18 nubbins`: heh, np.

17:59:05 mod6: It'd be nice to have it in there anyway, signed by yourself. And then I can mention it in this months address as well.

17:59:05 nubbins`: anyone got a guide for assbot wot handy?

17:59:11 mod6: !help

17:59:11 assbot: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot

17:59:16 nubbins`: ty

17:59:38 nubbins`: i'm gonna need to rate my key but i guess i hafta register it with assbot first

17:59:53 nubbins`: wait, i can just !changekey, right?

17:59:54 mod6: i don't think you can rate yourself.

18:00:08 nubbins`: mod6 i use separate pgp keys for various things

18:00:15 mod6: yeah, changekey should do it. but don't listen to me. i r dumb. ask kako to make sure.

18:00:27 nubbins`: the one i use here is, uh, not the one i should be signing foundation releases with

18:01:03 mod6: ah, no worries, this can wait until later, days or weeks if needed.

18:01:09 nubbins`: nah, i'll get it done

18:01:14 mod6: i was just hoping for before 31st of march. :]

18:02:54 *: nubsy searches for gpg cheat sheet

18:04:11 nubbins`: !rate nubsy 10 top kek

18:04:11 assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/39eaf513bb3f09f9

18:04:16 nubbins`: o right

18:04:38 asciilifeform: <nubbins`> the one i use here is, uh, not the one i should be signing foundation releases with << care to explain why ?

18:04:56 asciilifeform: (not that there is anything necessarily wrong with this)

18:05:26 nubbins`: note email address attached to 3C84 4002

18:05:35 nubbins`: (pinkeyeprints@gmail.com)

18:05:49 asciilifeform: aha

18:06:03 nubbins`: while ostensibly pink eye has business using a gpg key around these parts, it's hard for me to justify "signing foundation code releases" as a relevant business activity

18:06:32 nubbins`: now, where was i

18:09:06 nubbins`: mod6 i can just dump clearsigned text into the body, yes?

18:10:05 mod6: Yes, Sir.

18:10:53 nubbins`: ok, sent

18:11:45 nubbins`: like i said earlier, these steps should be relatively impervious to future code changes

18:12:13 mod6: I don't see it in there, but the mailatronic has been known to snarf messages at will.

18:12:49 nubbins`: i *just* registered the key with assbot

18:12:53 mod6: Maybe we can get jurov to take a peek. If not, post your clearsigned message to pastebin and maybe I can clearsign your clearsigned message and send it myself.

18:13:05 nubbins`: maybe it hasn't refreshed yet

18:13:13 mod6: aight, we'll give it a day.

18:13:19 nubbins`: !gettrust assbot nubsy

18:13:20 assbot: Trust relationship from user assbot to user nubsy: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/nubsy | http://w.b-a.link/user/nubsy

18:13:26 mod6: no problem. thanks for putting the work in there and getting that going!

18:13:30 nubbins`: hey, np

18:13:57 nubbins`: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=DGCB4D13

18:13:58 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1D2r5ce )

18:14:02 nubbins`: ^ set to expire in 1 week

18:14:05 nubbins`: just in case

18:14:56 mod6: ok sweet.

18:15:55 mod6: ;;later tell jurov did you see any weirdness from Mailman regarding nubbins`'s OSX clearsigned message on 2015.03.26?

18:15:55 gribble: The operation succeeded.

18:16:28 nubbins`: haha fuck.

18:16:32 nubbins`: i sent it from the wrong account

18:16:40 nubbins`: sec

18:16:40 mod6: haha

18:16:44 mod6: ok

18:18:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39882 @ 0.00019551 = 7.7973 BTC [+]

18:18:14 nubbins`: ok, sent

18:18:30 nubbins`: if *that* doesn't show up, either we gotta wait for key list to refresh or there's some other strange

18:18:52 *: nubbins` would not be surprised if ML doesn't poll assbot wot very frequently

18:18:55 jurov: haven't you just created the key?

18:19:18 jurov: no it does not poll it at all, i refresh i manually *blushes*

18:19:26 nubbins`: the key itself is old, i just reg'd it with assbot 15 mins ago

18:19:28 nubbins`: oh you! :D

18:19:40 nubbins`: nickname "nubsy"

18:19:44 nubbins`: 7C77 9724

18:20:12 nubbins`: FWIW it's not the sort of thing that needs to poll just yet

18:21:11 mod6: yeah, agree. it doesn't need that functionallity yet.

18:21:25 mod6: thanks jurov

18:23:16 nubbins`: yeah tyvm, let me know when updated and i'll resend

18:24:48 nubbins`: height=206724

18:28:07 nubbins`: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=339417.msg10894583#msg10894583

18:28:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] (HIF) Havelock Investments Fund ... ( http://bit.ly/1D2u2JM )

18:28:08 *: nubbins` cries

18:30:15 mod6: jeeze

18:33:49 nubbins`: "hai guise where my maniez? i email"

18:40:56 nubbins`: Very respectfully yours, Dr Les (Leslie - Leszek) Sachs - Scholar of the history of law and religion, with 7 earned academic degrees from 3 universities, the first two from Harvard University, alongside many US leaders;

18:40:59 nubbins`: heh

18:41:14 nubbins`: Dr Les (went to school w/ important people) Sachs

18:41:33 asciilifeform: again he can be a martian if he wants

18:42:01 nubbins`: but if martian is a synonym for obvious attention-seeker...

18:42:29 nubbins`: (what's up with the CV as a footnote?)

18:42:36 asciilifeform: nubbins`: there are far more tedious and less apparently factual 'seekers' who get considerably more attention

18:42:44 asciilifeform: and sachs gives testable hypotheses

18:42:48 nubbins`: granted

18:43:02 asciilifeform: which is why i don't give a damn what he is

18:43:11 asciilifeform: the most testable hypothesis is that google systematically blackholes him

18:43:17 asciilifeform: this is testable right from where you're sitting.

18:43:19 nubbins`: "Former USA resident who risked being tortured to death, attempting defence of human and Constitutional rights inside the United States, facing down terrorist gangster lawyers in a US courtroom, alone because US lawyers cower in fear before bribed US judges;"

18:43:36 nubbins`: Major Accomplishments:

18:43:48 nubbins`: Faced down terrorist gangster lawyers in a US courtroom, alone

18:44:17 nubbins`: Formerly lived in a glass-bottomed boat with oars made of flame

18:44:34 asciilifeform: i get it, pattern-matches 'nuttery'

18:44:36 nubbins`: anyway, i'm just poking fun of the chrome here

18:44:46 nubbins`: not addressing the content of the thing 8)

18:45:24 nubbins`: which, on the face, is no more or less plausible than the understanding anyone else is operating under

18:45:46 asciilifeform: the bells and gongs sticking out of that thing make it considerably less palatable, yes, which i suspect is the only reason sachs is still alive

18:47:46 asciilifeform: note that there is no public communique from harvart 'this fella never went here' (whether factual or not)

18:47:51 asciilifeform: *harvard

18:52:06 nubbins`: ugh

18:52:11 nubbins`: guy's websites are a fuckin pain to read

18:52:19 nubbins`: maybe there's truth in here?

18:52:26 nubbins`: i couldn't be fucked to read another page of it

18:52:37 asciilifeform: i pasted in some of the highlights.

18:52:40 asciilifeform: (earlier today)

18:52:58 asciilifeform: he is not a master of the english language.

18:53:08 nubbins`: nor a master of not encasing the entire page in <strong>

18:53:14 asciilifeform: but despite the superficial flavour, i don't get the usual 'schizo' vibe from it.

18:53:17 nubbins`: how the fuck is someone supposed to parse this

18:53:33 nubbins`: i dunno man, the one page about cromwell i read was nutted out

18:53:48 asciilifeform: wai wat

18:53:54 nubbins`: cornwell, w/e

18:53:55 asciilifeform: this is where?

18:54:31 nubbins`: http://www.patricia-cornwell-biography.net/new-us-federal-court-lawsuit.html

18:54:32 assbot: New US Federal Court lawsuit involving Patricia Cornwell - Cornwell renews threats to murder Dr Les Sachs ... ( http://bit.ly/1EHB5SY )

18:54:34 nubbins`: here's a snippet

18:54:41 nubbins`: Cornwell quickly denounces the "dirty Jews", the "filthy Jews". Indeed, attacking Jews is a real passion for the neo-Nazi Cornwell, while at the same time engaging in the 'Pleasures of Adolf Eichmann', Cornwell's hiring of dishonest Jews to do dirty jobs for her, a 'pet Jew' whom Cornwell can dominate.

18:54:58 asciilifeform: nubbins`: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/sachs.txt << minus the css. just for you.

18:55:00 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1EHB6Gy )

18:55:00 asciilifeform: ^ mirror

18:55:16 nubbins`: ty

18:57:11 asciilifeform: at any rate, herr sachs has not posited any martian armies taking over earth. instead, he connected a number of dots which are plain as daylight

18:57:24 asciilifeform: and are there for anyone who wants to see them.

18:58:25 nubbins`: \o/

18:58:25 asciilifeform: snowden (or whatever bourbaki is responsible for writing his public-facing garbage) insulted the intelligence of the entire planet a thousand times

18:58:29 asciilifeform: and somehow it all washed.

18:59:01 asciilifeform: from his pushing tor, to promising to reveal 'who plugged jfk', to countless other distractions

18:59:17 asciilifeform: and the multicoloured 'phones'

18:59:18 asciilifeform: etc.

19:00:10 nubbins`: Cornwell's lawyers know this, that attacking and murdering Jews is Cornwell's ultimate fetish and fantasy, to herself become a lesbian Adolf Hitler. Cornwell's longtime lawyers Shumadine and Rudell, mentioned above, took advantage of this back in 2000, when they threatened someone of Jewish heritage with a Jew-baiting extortion letter.

19:00:35 nubbins`: after clicking 5 links through various pages of gibberish, i find the "jew-baiting" extortion letter

19:00:44 asciilifeform: link?

19:00:54 nubbins`: which turns out to be, essentially, http://www.patricia-cornwell-biography.net/patricia-cornwell-jew-baiting-extortion-letter-p-1.jpg

19:00:55 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1EHBLIe )

19:01:01 nubbins`: http://www.patricia-cornwell-biography.net/patricia-cornwell-jew-baiting-extortion-letter-p-2.jpg

19:01:01 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1EHBJjn )

19:01:31 nubbins`: reminds me of the woman who claimed JK Rowling stole her book "Larry Botter" or w/e

19:01:43 nubbins`: anyway

19:01:52 nubbins`: for all i know, this guy is preaching the true word

19:02:03 asciilifeform: nubbins`: mind you, i cannot vouch for his sanity

19:02:14 nubbins`: obv barely hanging on.

19:02:18 asciilifeform: but i am not his shrink and this is not my job.

19:02:33 asciilifeform: not sure how 'sane' you and i would appear, after a few decades in his position.

19:02:36 asciilifeform: whatever that may be

19:02:46 nubbins`: at the risk of being blithe, he's a nutter who harasses people he thinks are out to get him

19:02:52 nubbins`: but what do i know.

19:03:18 mike_c: how much are they paying you nubbins`?

19:03:26 asciilifeform: how would you distinguish this animal from the other, very different, species with similar markings ?

19:03:36 nubbins`: mike_c my purpose of being here has been discussed in the past

19:03:39 nubbins`: my salary has not

19:04:09 punkman: https://github.com/chipsec/chipsec

19:04:11 assbot: chipsec/chipsec · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1EHBULw )

19:04:11 nubbins`: asciilifeform problem is, if the "similar markings" are verbal diarrhoea, i just wouldn't be able to.

19:05:05 nubbins`: everyone with this type of crazy has the same website

19:05:06 asciilifeform: punkman: requires patching winblows to put kernel in 'dev mode' and removing signature checks. which is readily visible to any decend crapware

19:05:09 nubbins`: endless, endless pages

19:05:16 nubbins`: each with endless, endless paragraphs of text

19:05:20 asciilifeform: punkman: hence no stealth in the analysis

19:05:26 nubbins`: full of hyperbole and exaggeration

19:05:58 nubbins`: the only difference between this guy and a "SHTF" type prepper is the style of the gibberish

19:06:12 asciilifeform: nubbins`: my hypothesis is that this kind of thing is -caused by- rather than -a cause of- the futility of 'shouting in the wilderness'

19:06:39 asciilifeform: nubbins`: the pertinent difference is the testability of the claims and how perfectly they square, imho, with the publicly-available facts.

19:06:45 asciilifeform: none of the other shit ultimately matters.

19:06:51 nubbins`: mine is that it's a piece of breat with nut butter on both sides

19:07:19 nubbins`: but again. i'm not evaluating his claims (how can i? 100% not reading any more), just the way in which he presents himself and his theories

19:07:38 nubbins`: these rambling essays to me are like rounded corners to mp

19:08:03 asciilifeform: nubbins`: the actual facts about usg are sufficiently monstrous that they will trigger -any- reasonable person's immune system the way they triggered yours, if encountered raw in one gigantic torrent

19:08:18 punkman: asciilifeform: doesn't have to run in windows though

19:08:20 asciilifeform: nubbins`: picture how a 'civilian' would view #b-a log if he were to read 'the choice bits'

19:08:22 nubbins`: sure. overwhelming.

19:08:52 asciilifeform: punkman: the uefi variant runs from... within bios?

19:09:02 asciilifeform: punkman: which is one of the objects under test

19:09:15 asciilifeform: how's that supposed to work

19:11:03 nubbins`: woo, got a contact for bulk orders from that other place

19:11:15 nubbins`: "We currently have plenty of them in stock"

19:11:33 asciilifeform: punkman: at any rate, check out the vendor - intel.

19:11:40 nubbins`: OH ALSO

19:11:42 nubbins`: For two days only, save 40% on Pogoplug Unlimited Cloud—just $29 for the first year (reg. $49.95).

19:11:44 nubbins`: ;p

19:11:57 asciilifeform: intel is interested in 'platform security' in much the same way that monsanto is interested in your healthy diet.

19:12:08 punkman: asciilifeform: aha, smells like PR

19:12:36 asciilifeform: from what i can tell, the thing reads fw images, tests if smm register is properly locked, etc.

19:12:40 asciilifeform: perfectly pedestrian things.

19:13:16 asciilifeform: but don't be surprised if it makes headlines in the mouthpiece press as a mega-s333k00r1ty-gotterdammerung

19:13:21 *: nubbins` lives on monsanto-free island (for now)

19:14:24 nubbins`: phun phact, newfoundland was england's first overseas colony

19:31:37 nubbins`: woo

19:31:49 nubbins`: may have a job printing posters for big-name punk band :0

19:34:26 asciilifeform: nubbins`: "We currently have plenty of them in stock" << may be pessimistic, but i strongly suspect that the $20 stock will evaporate very quickly once the manufacturer realizes what these are being used for.

19:34:41 asciilifeform: nubbins`: not unlike the 'playstation' supercomputing clusters and sony's response

19:36:32 danielpbarron: !up Bagels7

19:37:53 nubbins`: nod

19:38:03 nubbins`: first guy is already "!!!!"ing me

19:38:12 nubbins`: i suspect he did a google

19:42:49 mod6: <+nubbins`> may have a job printing posters for big-name punk band :0 << anyone i'd know?

19:43:55 BingoBoingo: If the bad has a big name it can't be very punk

19:44:21 mod6: what about Fugazi. Or the Melvins? Everyone knows them, they're still punk(tm)

19:45:36 BingoBoingo: Were punk, they were punk, emphasis on the past tense

19:47:23 mod6: Do you consider Strung Out to be a punk band?

19:47:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 167100 @ 0.00026674 = 44.5723 BTC [+] {2}

19:47:40 mod6: I heard they're gonna be playing up here. gotta try to catch 'em.

19:48:53 nubbins`: mod6 you'd definitely know em, the name starts with P and it's not pennywise

19:49:00 nubbins`: but can't say much else til the contract is signed :D

19:49:20 nubbins`: BingoBoingo any punk band you've heard of is by definition not punk

19:49:23 nubbins`: but the trappings of punk

19:49:25 nubbins`: 8)

19:49:49 nubbins`: mod6 melvins was a good guess tho, they get silkscreened posters done locally for all their slows

19:49:51 nubbins`: *shows

19:49:59 mod6: ah, cool

19:50:28 BingoBoingo: <nubbins`> BingoBoingo any punk band you've heard of is by definition not punk << Of course by the time I've heard of them they've lapsed.

19:50:35 nubbins`: heh

19:50:47 nubbins`: semi related: http://www.amoeba.com/live-shows/detail-1122/

19:50:49 assbot: Melvins - Live at Amoeba Music ... ( http://bit.ly/19nRcMR )

19:50:57 nubbins`: 10/10 have watched maybe 15 times

19:51:17 mod6: oh startswith P. i know who it is. that's awesome!

19:51:21 nubbins`: BingoBoingo you want real punk, check local flyers for bands called "cider squad" and shit like that

19:51:24 nubbins`: mod6 :D

19:52:12 nubbins`: & watch some crust kid barf on a drum kit

19:52:12 gribble: Error: "watch" is not a valid command.

19:52:18 nubbins`: yeah yeah

19:52:21 BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Cider Squad can't be punk anymore. You have to understand that my herueistic for this is that if I've heard of something it can no longer be punk, underground, or whatever

19:52:51 nubbins`: natch

19:53:07 nubbins`: i recall being at one of these shows once

19:53:14 nubbins`: guy comes up "hey, wanna go in on a case of beer?"

19:53:19 nubbins`: me: "...dude, we're at a bar"

19:53:32 nubbins`: "...oh yeah" then guy wanders in and takes stage w/ band

19:53:33 nubbins`: heh

19:54:49 asciilifeform: mod6, ben_vulpes, nubbins`, mircea_popescu, et al:

19:55:07 asciilifeform: observation: sshd on a box with no rng may as well be replaced by telnetd

19:55:15 asciilifeform: saves 1MB

19:55:28 asciilifeform: activated, naturally, (if present in the battlefield version at all) by holding down button on boot

19:56:08 asciilifeform: to be used only by devs or by folks who want to turn a knob (e.g., set a static ip instead of dhcp)

19:56:33 asciilifeform: i wouldn't even bother with it at all if it weren't for folks here who don't feel like soldering the serial plug

19:57:08 nubbins`: a ha ha, you've got a point.

19:57:12 asciilifeform: no one should ever be connecting to these things except on his own lan during setup

19:57:19 asciilifeform: (for shell, i mean)

19:58:54 nubbins`: i'm gonna be /making/ a serial cable anyway

19:59:04 nubbins`: but if you don't mind the indulgence, short term...

19:59:36 asciilifeform: something like this will be necessary if there is to be any possibility of changing, say, the ip bringup

19:59:43 asciilifeform: (i don't like dhcp myself, for example)

20:03:42 asciilifeform: http://lwn.net/Articles/474243 << other side of debate

20:03:44 assbot: A hole in telnetd [LWN.net] ... ( http://bit.ly/19nSqHP )

20:04:15 mod6: ok, maybe i don't understand. but im gonna ask anyway. but what you're saying is that the pogo embedded os wont have a rng?

20:04:26 asciilifeform: mod6: it has -no- source of entropy other than i/o

20:04:33 asciilifeform: not even a battery-backed clock

20:04:37 mod6: so what is bitcoind supposed to do?

20:04:45 asciilifeform: bitcoind does not need entropy for anything

20:04:51 asciilifeform: unless abused

20:04:58 asciilifeform: in ways which we do not intend to abuse it

20:05:07 asciilifeform: (i.e. use as a wallet)

20:05:25 mod6: ok. so we won't sign transactions then

20:05:33 asciilifeform: mod6: not on a pogo!

20:05:37 asciilifeform: POGO IS NOT A WALLET

20:05:39 mod6: ah, ok. derp.

20:05:40 asciilifeform: for anyone who did not know

20:05:41 mod6: gotcha.

20:05:49 mod6: see, just thought i'd ask.

20:05:50 mod6: haha

20:05:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 241000 @ 0.00026322 = 63.436 BTC [-] {2}

20:06:24 asciilifeform: (do not read this to take that a battery-backed clock is any kind of source of entropy, also.)

20:08:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17263 @ 0.00026256 = 4.5326 BTC [-]

20:11:14 nubbins`: i had to double check the pcb last night when your rtc0 init failed

20:11:30 asciilifeform: i did warn.

20:11:40 asciilifeform: the rtc is actually there, and worked under arch iirc

20:11:44 asciilifeform: but it has no battery power

20:11:52 nubbins`: wa.. oh, yes

20:12:38 nubbins`: put another way, do not solder a battery holder into your pogo and use it as a wallet, either 8)

20:13:07 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-01-2015#989978

20:13:07 assbot: Logged on 24-01-2015 05:51:18; mircea_popescu: holy hell a sane engineer.

20:15:26 nubbins`: hm, good info, pin

20:15:54 asciilifeform: pin?

20:17:11 nubbins`: try !s <that word> from:nubbins` some time

20:19:43 Adlai: !s pin from:nubbins`

20:19:44 assbot: 12 results for 'pin from:nubbins`' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=pin+from%3Anubbins%60

20:22:10 jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-11-2013#393640 nubbins` obv meant this

20:22:10 assbot: Logged on 26-11-2013 16:54:13; nubbins`: floor. vast communities of bulky orderlies. rowhouses of nurses. all rooms are hospitals now. the firmament, a massive inferno of blue-black gods. judges pouring time as the piss of Dionysus. insects dripping honey and pulling wax upon my ears. says, 'All the angels can dance on the tip of a pin. all thoughts can jig upon the point of a pen'

20:22:32 nubbins`: ha

20:22:34 nubbins`: natch!

20:23:05 nubbins`: alf just triggered one of my snowcrash zone-outs

20:26:20 *: Adlai watches a snail crawl across the edge of a razor

20:29:14 asciilifeform: 'Note that telnetd won't auto-start on boot because of securilty concerns

20:29:14 asciilifeform: - until user manually starts telnetd while connected via serial console

20:29:14 asciilifeform: there's no chance for unexpected root access to the target (this is

20:29:14 asciilifeform: especially true if root has no password set - which is by defult).'

20:29:22 asciilifeform: ^ shitgnomery disguised as 'seeek000rity'

20:29:32 asciilifeform: 'we'll tie your hands for your own good'

20:30:03 jurov: don't see a problem there. once telnet starts, root access is no longer unexpected.

20:31:36 asciilifeform: jurov: how do you propose to log in to the box ?

20:32:11 BingoBoingo: "Must be a heavy dude," Griffin said, "to have all these police come out." >> http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/st-louis-man-threatened-to-kill-police-rigged-home-with/article_cf037dda-dd90-5959-b84f-80f59f7403e3.html

20:32:13 assbot: St. Louis man threatened to kill police, rigged home with booby traps, court documents say : News ... ( http://bit.ly/19nUD62 )

20:32:41 asciilifeform: all the above means is that buildroot deliberately fucked up the build system to make it extremely inconvenient to add it to the default init

20:33:51 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: robot with shotgun

20:33:59 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: afaik a first in official media photo ?

20:34:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 110600 @ 0.00025498 = 28.2008 BTC [-]

20:34:32 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It just might be the first

20:34:41 asciilifeform: qntra ?

20:35:03 asciilifeform: and cache plz

20:35:06 asciilifeform: esp. of the photo.

20:37:07 asciilifeform: linked video has the thing roll about

20:37:15 asciilifeform: good shots of bot with different smalls arms mounted

20:37:33 asciilifeform: nothing in the text about this, naturally

20:37:56 asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu guess what usg's response to 'solzhenitsyn's axe' is, aha.

20:37:56 gribble: The operation succeeded.

20:39:35 BingoBoingo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4I7NOO4lYGc

20:39:36 assbot: ICOR EOD/SWAT Robot - Firing Shotgun - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/19nVbsH )

20:40:17 asciilifeform: looks similar, but not quite same, yes

20:41:17 asciilifeform: 'The informant said he had known Hagler for more than 30 years. Hagler had a seething hatred for his ex-wife and was becoming more agitated after events in Ferguson and because he believed he would lose his homes in St. Louis for not paying taxes, according to court documents. A second informant said the tone of his views against government....'

20:41:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93650 @ 0.00025968 = 24.319 BTC [+]

20:42:10 asciilifeform: expect this kind of policing to become sop

20:42:39 asciilifeform: that is, heavily-armoured box shows up with puppeteer, who controls (via radio or fiber) several deathbots

20:43:53 asciilifeform: one to break doors, gates; one to threaten bystanders, if any, with 'accidental' fire; one to shoot; and perhaps one with a cage that arrestee -might- be permitted to surrender into, if the bot's voice-recognition system works and if orders included a possible live capture

20:44:33 asciilifeform: still think 'usg as high-tech north kr is impossible', ?

20:47:28 BingoBoingo: Imma watch the video and try to screencap the variety of arms

21:06:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 178850 @ 0.00024803 = 44.3602 BTC [-] {3}

21:23:16 BingoBoingo: !up nubbins`

21:23:20 BingoBoingo: !up jordandotdev

21:26:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 115157 @ 0.00024502 = 28.2158 BTC [-]

21:28:05 jurov: http://bitcoinblog.de/2015/02/23/fidor-bank-and-bitcoin-de-launch-bitcoin-express-trading-system/

21:28:06 assbot: FIDOR Bank and Bitcoin.de launch Bitcoin Express trading system | BitcoinBlog.de - das Blog für Bitcoin und andere virtuelle Währungen ... ( http://bit.ly/1NkclVF )

21:28:26 jurov: " is set to become the world’s first trading platform with a direct connection to the classic banking system" davout perhaps you may something to say about that?

21:51:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54150 @ 0.00025621 = 13.8738 BTC [+]

22:00:59 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: http://qntra.net/2015/03/local-police-arming-robots/

22:01:00 assbot: Local Police Arming Robots | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1xCSPSI )

22:05:20 BingoBoingo: ^ Picture in article is larger than when displayed with the text

22:13:07 asciilifeform: 084ace0c578a4920a4cad59e426165b180fd8b1e170e9da406772bf1546208abc63d8b101fa63b9152d2003a816b4309203bbd391e434302830a3de3eab2dddc turdel_with_telnet.gz

22:13:11 mircea_popescu: in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/14928d833dfd20e18ce340276c8dfb1c/tumblr_nl7g0yecQf1tulo74o1_500.jpg

22:13:12 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1xCUnMh )

22:13:31 asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/turdel_with_telnet.gz

22:13:36 asciilifeform: achtung, panzers!

22:13:52 mircea_popescu: nubbins` not a bad deal, but meh, spend 35k on this thing ?

22:14:02 asciilifeform: this turdel will 1) boot and dhcp 2) start a suicidal telnet that goes straight into a root shell

22:14:13 asciilifeform: still no sata support - but this is enough to begin testing

22:14:16 asciilifeform: of bitcoind, for example.

22:14:29 mircea_popescu: "Police report at EU national police agencies, extensively discussing CIA-Wikipedia-Google media control crimes, of which the CIA-Snowden fraud is part."

22:14:42 mircea_popescu: can you retro-translate this via your russian dictionary to actual english ?

22:14:47 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i was just about to!

22:14:54 asciilifeform: he meant 'report to police'

22:14:58 asciilifeform: written by himself

22:15:06 mircea_popescu: himself = snowden ?

22:15:10 asciilifeform: nono

22:15:13 asciilifeform: sachs

22:15:28 mircea_popescu: so some guy wrote some things on a piece of paper about what he heard on the news and submitted this to his local police station ?

22:15:29 asciilifeform: 'police report at' == 'report written to police'

22:15:41 asciilifeform: and word 'police' here meant very loosely

22:16:09 asciilifeform: anyway, document in question is a piece of nuttery containing, if you put it through a juice extractor, some very sensible hypotheses

22:16:18 asciilifeform: i'd squeeze them out myself, but no time at present

22:16:28 asciilifeform: did paste in some of the highlights.

22:16:34 mircea_popescu: aha ima look in logs then

22:16:55 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo, punkman, nubbins`, anyone else with a non-serialport pogov4 - new kernel that you can try.

22:17:00 asciilifeform: (see earlier)

22:17:20 asciilifeform: it is able to use usb storage and sd

22:17:39 asciilifeform: not yet sata, though i am still unable to figure out why (CONFIG_SATA_MV is set)

22:18:39 nubbins`: mircea_popescu there's also then the issue of where to stash them etc

22:20:25 nubbins`: anyway, now ya know how much that many of em costs 8)

22:24:32 mircea_popescu: afaik danielpbarron resolved that, but srsly, 3k seems at this point excessive. bitcoin hasn't had that many nodes since i dunno, 2012.

22:24:45 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if parachuting, must take into account yield

22:24:51 asciilifeform: that is, how many will actually reach good home

22:24:54 asciilifeform: once deployed

22:24:55 mircea_popescu: quite.

22:25:03 mircea_popescu: so far i think we're well supplied for that.

22:25:23 mircea_popescu: but it does put your 101 or 202 to actually 3001+

22:25:42 asciilifeform: minus however many usg buys now that we said this.

22:25:46 asciilifeform: to sink into the sea

22:25:57 mircea_popescu: lmao

22:26:44 mircea_popescu: an usg that *cares*. wouldn't that be a sight.

22:27:00 asciilifeform: brb meatspace excursion

22:29:00 mircea_popescu: fluffypony lol has that derp actually sold any o'reilly tomes ? or we not talking about how product fails at the one fucking job product had ?

22:30:09 mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072329 << imo the assumptions are very weak.

22:30:09 assbot: Logged on 26-03-2015 10:48:35; jurov: http://cs-people.bu.edu/heilman/eclipse/

22:30:17 fluffypony: lol

22:30:19 mircea_popescu: for one thing, the "node identified by ip" thing we discussed yesterday.

22:30:28 fluffypony: Andreas Spake and Thus it Was

22:30:58 mircea_popescu: to complement what i said then, not only i know of no infrastructure nodes that are reliably identifiable by ip, but i know of no infrastructure nodes that have no vpn access to other nodes.

22:31:31 mircea_popescu: the idea you are going to "monopolize" connections to a node is laughable, as they are all implemented to have hardwired connections you don't get to touch, in a pedestrian, difficult and unwieldy reimplementation of a wot system.

22:31:56 mircea_popescu: moreover, "n confirmation doublespends" still needs you to produce mined blocks of a proper difficulty, which is just as hard as on the main net.

22:32:20 mircea_popescu: in short - this is why academic wankery is called academic wankery. it has all the characteristics of useful work save a few.

22:33:17 mircea_popescu: davout yeah seems it's going for the other moon.

22:34:42 mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/2015/03/bitcoin-floundation-moves-to-dilute-the-bitcoin-brand/ << scam foundation couldn't do more to ruin its own claim to relevancy in the space if it deliberately tried.

22:34:42 assbot: Bitcoin Floundation Moves To Dilute The Bitcoin Brand | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1xCX00L )

22:36:15 mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072359 << wait wut!

22:36:15 assbot: Logged on 26-03-2015 12:43:53; jurov: but i hope that if mp was scammer, he'd have arranged the situation to not look so forlorn :D

22:36:57 mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072370 << yeah, mats was bitching about it like twenty lines up o.O

22:36:57 assbot: Logged on 26-03-2015 12:50:04; jurov: but small investors that were caught there, talked about it

22:37:21 nubbins`: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaGdvgufWEU

22:37:23 assbot: Duck Stampede - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1xCXpA9 )

22:38:06 mircea_popescu: dude, ducks rule for stampedes.

22:38:18 mircea_popescu: at least large herbivores lookl like they were basically built for it

22:38:21 mircea_popescu: but... DUCKS ?!

22:38:51 mircea_popescu: omfg millions od fucks!

22:38:54 mircea_popescu: uh...

22:39:52 mircea_popescu: check out the berth thery give cars too.

22:40:18 mircea_popescu: duck computing.

22:40:59 mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072387 << people pay to play in a casino too,

22:40:59 assbot: Logged on 26-03-2015 13:02:41; mike_c: people have to pay to play, what do they need seed money for the game for?

22:41:03 mircea_popescu: what's casino need bankrolls ?!

22:42:54 nubbins`: store sells goods, why you need to start the day with a full register?

22:43:12 nubbins`: 8)

22:43:54 mircea_popescu: lol

22:43:59 mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072450 << this is uniquely idiotic, btw.

22:43:59 assbot: Logged on 26-03-2015 14:32:24; nubbins`: with 1 hot dog and 200 brands of frozen pizza, this new food needs a name.

22:44:16 mircea_popescu: first, trying to attack bitcoin with the nonsensical "oh, nothing notable except blockchain technologee"

22:44:32 mircea_popescu: then, once that worked as well as you'd expect, moving on to "oh, nothing notable, many things just like it" ?

22:44:39 mircea_popescu: who comes up with these strats i wonder.

22:44:58 mircea_popescu: alf's lizard hitler seems pretty similar to the original hitler cca 1944.

22:45:07 mircea_popescu: "das war ein befehl!"

22:46:25 mircea_popescu: "Ihr Saurianitet, nichts bedeutet..."

22:46:28 mircea_popescu: "BEFEHL!!1!1"

22:48:24 mircea_popescu: must be crowdsourced.

23:06:36 jurov: sorry, i just had some slanderous moments

23:08:00 jurov: feeling better now. and later today i got an email someone wants to haul considerable amount of stuff from havelol to coinbr.

23:10:03 mircea_popescu: had enough lols ?

23:10:16 mircea_popescu: ayway, i don't mind. questioning is the core of progress!

23:11:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 124541 @ 0.00024503 = 30.5163 BTC [-] {2}

23:14:41 mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072482 << this bit is afaik uncontroversial.

23:14:41 assbot: Logged on 26-03-2015 14:56:44; asciilifeform: 'CIA-Wikipedia ("Every dumbf-ck in the world believes Wikipedia") - artificially pumped by CIA Google to top of search results, a 'Trojan horse' for inserting CIA lies and rubbish - see the EU police report on Wikipedia fundraising fraud...'

23:14:53 mircea_popescu: heck, i said it in the logs too.

23:15:20 mircea_popescu: the only thing is, i do not believe the degradation of google's model from algorithmic to "algorithmic" to "whatever, we'll just do it by hand" is in any sense cia's work.

23:15:24 mircea_popescu: it's just simple thermodynamics.

23:15:38 mircea_popescu: note the exact same fate of the only similar thing to date : imperial chinese examination.

23:15:51 mircea_popescu: also, originally, an attempt to resolve the "find sites" problem by iteration over the graph.

23:16:20 mircea_popescu: a while later (about the same while later) it was exactly the same thing : "wikipedia at top of all search results because wikipedia at top of all search results".

23:17:06 mircea_popescu: that guardian is an intel asset, and greenwald in particular just gavin in a different color scheme is again uncontroversial.

23:17:31 mircea_popescu: leakers that actually trust the entire press-to-public model are idiots in the first place.

23:17:58 asciilifeform: anybody try 'turdel_with_telnet' ?

23:18:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52900 @ 0.00025333 = 13.4012 BTC [+]

23:18:48 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: uncontroversial << in #b-a. where else ?

23:18:51 mircea_popescu: that usg courts are a sad joke, again uncontroversial.

23:18:55 mircea_popescu: everywhere i go.

23:19:18 mircea_popescu: "where three thinking people gather" or w/e the soviet expression was

23:19:26 asciilifeform: i would like to visit such a place

23:19:30 asciilifeform: other than #b-a, i mean

23:19:45 mircea_popescu: date more sluts ?

23:19:48 mircea_popescu: the clever sort, i mean.

23:20:16 asciilifeform: 100% solid believers in the fishwrap XOR reddit everywhere i've physically set foot in usa.

23:20:46 mircea_popescu: what is the intersection of this everywhere and prefab furniture ?

23:20:56 asciilifeform: prefab ?

23:21:03 mircea_popescu: yes. as in not made of wood.

23:21:07 asciilifeform: ah meant pressboard

23:21:10 mircea_popescu: right

23:21:19 asciilifeform: solid pressboard.

23:21:32 mircea_popescu: well then if it's the whole set maybe not a good set.

23:21:37 asciilifeform: where in usa, outside of antique shop, do you find anything else.

23:21:43 mircea_popescu: in the houses of thinking people.

23:21:51 asciilifeform: in the houses of elderly.

23:22:00 asciilifeform: (of thinking and other kinds)

23:22:01 mircea_popescu: thinking people are rarely under 30.

23:22:06 asciilifeform: try 80

23:22:22 mircea_popescu: not my fault puritans tend to spawn late bloomers.

23:22:22 *: asciilifeform owns some furniture of actual wood, university surplus

23:22:33 *: asciilifeform and of steel

23:23:06 *: mircea_popescu will underscore there's nothing wrong with cheap ikea stuff. what was at stake above was the expectation that a sample with weird homologies may be representative for "the world"

23:23:24 *: asciilifeform makes no claim of 'the world' except as 'world he is able to access'

23:23:36 mircea_popescu: ie, if "all the women you've talked to" spit, and also are not wearing skirts, maybe sample is no good.

23:23:42 mircea_popescu: rather than "women spit"

23:24:51 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but take a piece like http://fraudsters.com/2013/the-sops-or-what-might-you-expect-from-government-clerks/

23:24:52 assbot: The SOPS, or what might you expect from government clerks pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1CeYlJA )

23:25:09 asciilifeform: aha ... ?

23:25:16 mircea_popescu: whilke it's arguable if it makes the point more or less persuasively than that thing, nevertheless, it does make it, and who exactly argued with it ?

23:26:00 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: usg appears to have a very strict 'do not engage mircea_popescu on open terrain' rule

23:26:25 mircea_popescu: chomsky actually said that the joe stack grievances are legitimate, and will take over if not tackled.

23:26:29 mircea_popescu: just... none of this is controversial.

23:26:49 asciilifeform: makes specific claims re: who/why of snowden, for instance

23:26:50 mircea_popescu: i mean, sure, it's not watercooler conversation, among 10-20 an hour derps.

23:26:52 mircea_popescu: why would it be ?

23:26:56 asciilifeform: these are 'noncontroversial' ?

23:27:06 mircea_popescu: i thought those were the nutteries we were digging aside.

23:27:39 asciilifeform: unrelated: if we can get bitcoind under 27M, whole orchestra fits into the 32M eeprom found in the 'tripmate'

23:27:42 asciilifeform: and i can do a 'tripmate' port

23:27:50 asciilifeform: !s tripmate

23:27:50 assbot: 0 results for 'tripmate' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=tripmate

23:27:50 mircea_popescu: that'd be interesting.

23:27:53 asciilifeform: !s hootoo

23:27:54 assbot: 0 results for 'hootoo' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=hootoo

23:28:04 mircea_popescu: mod6 ben_vulpes think a <27mb bitcoin could be ?

23:28:13 asciilifeform: --- and after we kill the orphans thing

23:28:18 mircea_popescu: right

23:28:19 asciilifeform: tripmate comes with 32M ram

23:28:59 asciilifeform: http://www.hootoo.com/hootoo-tripmate-nano-ht-tm02-wireless-portable-router.html

23:29:01 assbot: Hootoo HT-TM02 Tripmate Nano ... ( http://bit.ly/1OByGRW )

23:29:02 asciilifeform: i have one here

23:29:06 asciilifeform: with serial port soldered in

23:29:15 asciilifeform: costs approx. same as pogo, for much poorer specs

23:29:18 asciilifeform: but actively produced

23:29:27 asciilifeform: and there are at least 3 chinese clones, roughly similar.

23:29:51 asciilifeform: 100M/s ethernet, usb2 for storage, powered by yet another usb jack

23:29:55 mircea_popescu: yeah, it's a step in the right direction

23:30:02 asciilifeform: wireless soldered in though

23:30:04 asciilifeform: and can't be killed

23:30:11 asciilifeform: (part of cpu)

23:30:23 mircea_popescu: not sure this is a drawback.

23:30:27 asciilifeform: it was the single cheapest such box that i was able to locate

23:30:30 mircea_popescu: write your own wireless driver.

23:30:36 asciilifeform: if we must have the radio, let's ad-hoc to neighbors

23:30:37 asciilifeform: aha

23:30:41 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu has the right idea.

23:30:44 mircea_popescu: you were looking for horrible jobs... this is one.

23:30:54 asciilifeform: actually this is pretty easy

23:31:00 mircea_popescu: oh shutup

23:31:08 *: asciilifeform first paying reverse-engineering job was of a wifi chipset

23:31:16 mircea_popescu: i've not yet seen a good wifi driver. ever.

23:31:25 asciilifeform: 'good' means what ?

23:31:34 nubbins`: i was looking at these hooto things the other day

23:31:44 asciilifeform: doesn't go down ? or 'can be proven not to fandango over arbitrary ram with magic packet incoming'

23:31:49 nubbins`: asciilifeform will try turdel tonite/tmrw, meatspace commitments

23:31:55 asciilifeform: nubbins`: gotcha

23:31:58 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform little of this, little of that...

23:32:01 asciilifeform: danielpbarron perhaps can try

23:32:21 nubbins`: you said it'll run from sd, ya?

23:32:29 asciilifeform: nubbins`: it ought to run from anywhere

23:32:32 nubbins`: nod

23:32:36 asciilifeform: nubbins`: because has baked in rootfs

23:32:39 *: nubbins` has one unbricked pogo left

23:32:43 asciilifeform: this is why i built it that way

23:32:50 asciilifeform: (this is -not- what we want in the field ver.)

23:32:54 asciilifeform: it wastes ram

23:32:54 nubbins`: one available, anyway

23:33:09 nubbins`: field ver, rootfs on ext storage

23:33:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 191300 @ 0.00025386 = 48.5634 BTC [+] {2}

23:33:16 nubbins`: whatever that may be

23:33:20 asciilifeform: to try it, spin it up, then see what ip the box got, then telnet there

23:33:26 asciilifeform: drops straight into root shell...

23:34:32 trinque: https://makeupmag.com/wp-content/uploads/images/Rainn-open-head-2_400px.jpg

23:34:33 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1CeZLUr )

23:36:38 mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072493 << again, same deal. yes buffett came into the fold. this is uncontroversial, and i've said it too.

23:36:38 assbot: Logged on 26-03-2015 15:04:08; asciilifeform: anyway this should be enough lure for everybody. mega-lulzy tirade. if chumpatronic, it is of top quality and i take off my hat to the chumpatronicist.

23:36:45 mircea_popescu: but the jumps the guy makes... ?

23:37:39 mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072495 << ftr, i get these on my name as well, tho i sure as hell never sent anyone that sort of bs legal request.

23:37:39 assbot: Logged on 26-03-2015 15:08:26; asciilifeform: 'In response to a legal request submitted to Google, we have removed 1 result(s) from this page.'

23:38:00 mircea_popescu: this is a purely eu piece of nonsense, however.

23:39:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 136700 @ 0.00024502 = 33.4942 BTC [-] {2}

23:39:53 mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072535 << no. i, for instance, was the one that forced the publication of the cables, which they were going to withhold, by publishing the hot archive of romanian-related ones.

23:39:53 assbot: Logged on 26-03-2015 15:32:26; asciilifeform: was i the only one here who actually read (for a time) mr s's (purported) www output (e.g., 'twitter', etc) ?

23:42:44 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2011/primul/ << that's the discussion at the time, for the curious.

23:42:45 assbot: Primul! pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1OBAAC6 )

23:48:21 ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> no one should ever be connecting to these things except on his own lan during setup << myes, realized this in the shower this am. also question of usernames, keys...

23:48:24 ben_vulpes: KISS, as they say.

23:48:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 112900 @ 0.00025621 = 28.9261 BTC [+]

23:49:04 mircea_popescu: in other news, chirilic tats! http://40.media.tumblr.com/8e539d05ca2b774489e14de7c21501a2/tumblr_nlbeffKDNj1qejludo1_1280.jpg

23:49:05 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1OBBezB )

23:49:51 mircea_popescu: (protip : "onlyallfours" is a very bad idea, especially on hard floors. bursitis is at thing, if you give a horse shoes to protect hooves from hard pavement, might as well give the slavegirls kneepads.)

23:50:09 *: trinque goes for the tatted up look

23:50:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95450 @ 0.00025621 = 24.4552 BTC [+]

23:54:36 mircea_popescu: "Can you tell me what you're wanting to do with them? " ?<< lol nubbins` got teh usms curious nao

23:54:52 mircea_popescu: "you mean to tell me we could use these to run bitcoin nodes ourselves ?!?! FU NOT SELLING THEM NAO"

23:55:25 BingoBoingo: Ycombinator criticism cranks up http://pipeline.corante.com/archives/2015/03/26/tone_it_down.php

23:55:26 assbot: Tone It Down. In the Pipeline: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cf3XDV )

23:55:47 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: aha. hence telnet without any authentication at all.

23:56:09 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo lol anyone told him he's poor yet ?

23:56:32 BingoBoingo: He's well aware of it he seems

23:57:16 mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072569 << the intrinsic problem with "look at all these people killed by tb, clearly tb can not be cured, if those people really had tb they wouldn't be walking around" is that well... tb is in fact a curable disease.

23:57:16 assbot: Logged on 26-03-2015 15:54:27; asciilifeform: 'After making public revelations critical of US policies, former CIA director William Colby was himself found dead in 1996 from a laughably improbable 'canoe accident'. US Congressman Wayne Owens was found dead in Israel in 2002 while investigating US corruption connections.' << 'best news is the history you didn't know' (mircea_popescu?)

23:57:24 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: cables << what do those have to do with snowden ?

23:57:33 mircea_popescu: to imagine the usg, or for that matter any bureaucracy like a PERSON rather than like a disease is imo to be very, very wrong

23:57:37 mircea_popescu: and in a fundamental way.

23:57:39 asciilifeform: i mean, sachs thinks they're part of the same chumpatron, yes

23:57:55 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform from what i understand the theory we're discussing, they'd be all the same thing ?

23:57:59 mircea_popescu: right.

23:59:57 asciilifeform: "you mean to tell me we could use these to run bitcoin nodes ourselves ?!?!... << they easily could. not with the 20MB blocks, no, but with the 20MB (and whatever the hell else satanic strange) -enabled- and waiting to get flooded