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Transcript for 26-05-2015, 981 lines:

00:00:51 felipelalli: mircea_popescu: I bet danielpbarron is already working on it. Thank you so much!

00:01:55 mircea_popescu: a cool

00:13:42 mircea_popescu: !gettrust shinohai

00:13:45 assbot: Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user shinohai: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=mircea_popescu&to=shinohai | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/shinohai/

00:17:57 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-05-2015#1144895 << i dun think there's a dedicated key for that.

00:17:57 assbot: Logged on 25-05-2015 21:42:52; felipelalli: Anyone has the public key of info@bitbet.us? I can't find it on GPG servers.

00:18:23 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-05-2015#1144909 << eh it's fine srsly.

00:18:23 assbot: Logged on 25-05-2015 22:15:38; kakobrekla: i sucks at ui

00:19:11 danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-05-2015#1144961 << more like 14

00:19:11 assbot: Logged on 25-05-2015 23:46:48; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-05-2015#1144850 << hey wd. what was it in the end, like 6 weeks or so ?

00:20:04 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-05-2015#1144917 << the idea is that key/identity maintenance is expensive, and so people don't generally want to do it unless needed, which reduces to, unless some woman spent 9 months with it in the oven and then what came out was smart enough to bother. if you want to / need to pgp, use either of our sigs.

00:20:04 assbot: Logged on 25-05-2015 22:20:37; felipelalli: Why don't you put the GPG of bitbet.us on https://bitbet.us/gpg.txt ? Or your GPG? And/or a link to it on the main page? It would be nice!

00:20:08 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron a right you are.

00:20:50 mircea_popescu: otherwise the "identities of things" makes exponentially less sense than the "internet of things"

00:23:11 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-05-2015#1144939 << lmao fuckwits. "oh, we're a social media company, people love to communicate with each other and they will be using our platform to do so. because we prevent them from doing it. BUSINESS MODEL!"

00:23:11 assbot: Logged on 25-05-2015 22:49:48; kakobrekla: and this is how the exchange of the contact goes through pms: "You +18 can 08 contact 26 me 22 here 1 or 44 on WhatsApp. (My number is in that sentence.)"

00:39:03 *: asciilifeform back to cockpit

00:45:02 mircea_popescu: and in other news, http://33.media.tumblr.com/616c6aa760d417597aca2417f99935b3/tumblr_mz7nnnrJ651rmm9buo5_400.gif

00:47:34 asciilifeform: piss-poor logz

00:47:37 asciilifeform: shame on you lot.

00:50:22 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell pete_dushenski the funniest part about the medieval japanese cuts is that at the time, bare cunt was the standard there and nowhere else. meanwhile, they have to pixelate it today, lest it jumps out and eats their head or something.

00:50:22 gribble: The operation succeeded.

00:50:45 mircea_popescu: kinda sad how peoples go retarded over time. apparently a history of sanity is no ward against ulterior rampaging idiocy.

00:51:10 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: afaik it was u.s. occupation that did it

00:53:04 BingoBoingo: U.S. occupation introduced all kinds of retardation on the Japanese. Panties are one mircea_popescu would probably find Japan better without.

00:53:06 mircea_popescu: eh, the german occupation didn't make the french queasingly quisling, nor did the russian occupation make the romanians poltrons.

00:53:37 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo http://www.contravex.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Models-of-Couples-Ehon-tsui-no-hinagata-Katsushika-Hokusai-1812.jpg << because check out the easy direct accessibility that was obvious;y the norm.

00:54:37 cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-05-2015#1144993 <<< which gave birth to bukkake so it's not all bad

00:54:37 assbot: Logged on 26-05-2015 00:50:22; mircea_popescu: ;;later tell pete_dushenski the funniest part about the medieval japanese cuts is that at the time, bare cunt was the standard there and nowhere else. meanwhile, they have to pixelate it today, lest it jumps out and eats their head or something.

00:54:37 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'makes' in the sense that herbicide creates resistant weeds etc

00:54:37 mircea_popescu: clearly hokusai lived very much like i do.

00:54:37 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i suppose "selected for idiocy".

00:55:06 mircea_popescu: cazalla that's a point.

00:55:37 asciilifeform: bare cunt was the standard there << wai wat - i distinctly recall these people having had clothing

00:56:05 mircea_popescu: for the genre.

00:57:18 mircea_popescu: meanwhile in the lolz lists, not only does wikipedia have bad purpose-drawn "illustrations" on the topic, because yeah totally you gotta make another one to illustrate the point, but also they have MULTIPLE, equally bad, ones. like http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/Wikibukkake_new.png/220px-Wikibukkake_new.png and http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/11/Wiki-bukkake-2.png/220px-W

00:59:18 mircea_popescu: iki-bukkake-2.png etc.

00:59:18 mircea_popescu: (2nd is on spanish wikipedia. because faulklands or some shit)

01:14:29 mod6: alright, have the v0.5.3 Original nmon results up -- I'm moving all of these results in to a more organized dir structure.. (the originals will remain for now since it seems people are still looking at them); one can navigate all of these charts by release & by date tested here: http://thebitcoin.foundation/test/perf/

01:23:14 scoopbot_revived: Ulbricht to be Sentenced Friday http://qntra.net/2015/05/ulbricht-to-be-sentenced-friday/

01:58:38 danielpbarron: !up adyop

02:04:13 danielpbarron: ;;later tell felipelalli http://danielpbarron.com/felipelalli.txt send to address at the top of the file (assuming you approve of my work)

02:05:13 gribble: The operation succeeded.

02:07:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57700 @ 0.00028907 = 16.6793 BTC [-]

02:27:27 danielpbarron: !up Michail1

02:27:54 Michail1: ?

02:27:55 danielpbarron: what's up?

02:28:08 Michail1: I PMed ya. Not for channel.

02:28:53 danielpbarron: I think we have a relationship but I can't recall clearly because i wasn't able to rate you

02:29:21 danielpbarron: your nickname had some gribble magic on it or something

02:29:21 Michail1: Yea. Gribble has an issue with me.

02:29:27 Michail1: yes

02:29:42 danielpbarron: you are of course ratable now under assbot, but i don't recall what i would have rated

02:29:58 danielpbarron: something positive, for busting scammers in -otc i think

02:30:05 Michail1: It's all good. I don't need a rating.

02:30:08 Michail1: Heh. yup.

02:30:14 Michail1: which is why I pmed you.

02:30:42 danielpbarron: is adyop a scammer?

02:30:58 danielpbarron: it's very common for new names to show up in here and then leave after someone gives them voice

02:31:01 danielpbarron: people are very timid

02:31:15 Michail1: yes

02:31:28 danielpbarron: yes he's a scammer?

02:32:45 Michail1: yes

02:32:58 Michail1: bad IP. :)

02:33:07 *: danielpbarron doesn't think scammers will have much luck in here

02:33:42 Michail1: I didn't think so either. I rarely watch the channel. Saw him come in. got voice. Just was wondering.

02:35:52 danielpbarron: considering that the channel isn't too active at the moment, I little chat from a known scammer might be nice

02:36:27 Michail1: Heh. He likes to talk, but rarely in channel. His English is getting way better than it was only 6 months ago.

02:37:01 danielpbarron: lol he scammed someone for 10 ?

02:37:14 Michail1: yes

02:37:17 danielpbarron: how is there still 10 bitcoin to steal in -otc ??

02:37:36 Michail1: No one has less than 10, rite? heh

02:38:11 danielpbarron: yeah but someone with > 10 who also falls for scams on irc ?

02:38:22 Michail1: Very rare.

02:38:52 Michail1: I forget which nick he was squatting when he scored the 10. I could check.

02:40:03 Michail1: Ahh, he scammed Tabaza

02:40:59 Michail1: wow, been 2 months already.

02:41:38 danielpbarron: !v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.Michail1.2:d0da769214e282574adbd19452233d8f571f506a6f0ea0ac57f9ec5239aad192

02:41:39 assbot: Successfully added a rating of 2 for Michail1 with note: scam hunter

02:42:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66400 @ 0.00028941 = 19.2168 BTC [+]

02:43:54 Michail1: serbian was squatting as EPiSKiNG-

02:44:17 Michail1: correction ---- Blazedout4l9

02:45:43 danielpbarron: always check dat gpg !

02:46:24 Michail1: Ahhh, but he did. He manually typed in the nick insted of copy/pasted.

02:46:29 Michail1: Blazedout4l9 != Blazedout419

02:46:46 danielpbarron: he couldn't have checked the gpg

02:47:01 danielpbarron: or else he would have found that the sig didn't match

02:47:28 Michail1: He checked to see the Blazedout419 was online and gpg authed, but didn't realized that the squatter was using the nick Blazedout4l9

02:47:42 danielpbarron: there's the problem; there is no such thing as being "authed"

02:47:49 danielpbarron: or at least, not any sort of persistant state

02:47:53 Michail1: Blazedout419 was in the channel while Blazedout4l9 wasn't. So, he right clicked the nick he SAW in the channel to see it was authed.

02:48:57 decimation: asciilifeform: lulz > http://www.theparisreview.org/blog/2014/07/03/thawing-out/ < That?s a further deterrent to the study of these books, given that many of them are undeniably more complex than their literary predecessors. Bely?s Petersburg, for example, is a masterpiece considered by many critics to be a precursor to the postmodern novel, but it?s a behemoth of a book that requires a linguistic and mathematical genius to fully comp

02:49:57 danielpbarron: he should better have generated a hash of some unique string relating to that specific deal and had Blazedout4l9 sign it with an address

02:49:57 Michail1: yup

02:49:57 danielpbarron: and by sign it with an address i mean include a bitcoin address in the gpg signed block of text

02:49:57 decimation: " And technique aside, these books are difficult because they don?t subscribe to a neat, binary way of thinking, i.e., Soviet Union equals bad, democracy equals good ... In One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich, Solzhenitsyn satirizes the evil absurdity and unnecessary suffering of the gulag, and yet he extols the discipline and work ethic that it engenders; since human nature is so lazy and depraved, he muses, perhaps it?s benefici

02:50:23 decimation: my hypothesis (floating around here awhile) - nobody wants to read about soviet times because they will recognize them as being depressingly familiar

02:50:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27927 @ 0.00028941 = 8.0824 BTC [+]

03:00:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62800 @ 0.00028941 = 18.1749 BTC [+]

03:07:40 decimation: http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2015/05/25/u-s-versus-german-infrastructure-spending-and-results/ < "?Quality, Not Just Quantity, of Infrastructure Needs Attention? (Wall Street Journal, May 20, 2015) has some interesting data. The U.S. has spent, adjusted for deprecation, 52 percent of GDP on ?public capital stock? (infrastructure such as roads, bridges, train tracks, etc.) while the Germans have spent just 35 percent of GDP. What

03:13:53 ben_vulpes: not depreciation?

03:14:51 danielpbarron: !up referredbyloper

03:14:56 decimation: ben_vulpes: eh?

03:15:01 asciilifeform: http://cryptome.org/2015/05/Guccifer-Ariana-Rockeller-Brand.pdf << lulzies. nobody cancelled the original lizards.

03:16:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14146 @ 0.00028941 = 4.094 BTC [+]

03:21:09 decimation: asciilifeform: that presentation is hilarious. 'imma fashionable heiress can i haz ur moneyz'

03:21:26 asciilifeform: decimation: my understanding is that the thing was leaked. was prepared by a pr firm

03:21:36 asciilifeform: as a prospectus.

03:22:46 decimation: is this what passes as 'business' in new york?

03:23:24 asciilifeform: damned if i know. especially mystifying is the fact that someone, somewhere - pays for the service described in the document.

03:25:39 decimation: for me, if a pr firm submits a proposal in the form of powerpoint - automatic blacklist

03:28:48 asciilifeform: for all we know, this was inscribed on panda skin by virgins before being presented.

03:29:39 mod6: i only accept 2d powerpoints

03:36:53 decimation: mod6: with or without 'transition animations'?

03:37:20 mod6: with are preferred, ofc.

03:38:42 ben_vulpes: decimation: "The U.S. has spent, adjusted for deprecationThe U.S. has spent, adjusted for deprecation"

03:38:49 ben_vulpes: herp derp

03:42:47 decimation: ah yes a common misspelling

03:44:18 decimation: although one wonders if he really mean depreciation? does he mean us infrastructure rots faster?

03:47:26 decimation: !up adyop

04:04:02 mircea_popescu: Michail1> Heh. He likes to talk, but rarely in channel. His English is getting way better than it was only 6 months ago. << i wonder if anyone ever studied the interplay between so called "immigration" law and "scamming".

04:05:24 mircea_popescu: decimation that sounbds a little like fraudsters if i do say so myself :D

04:06:18 decimation: heh maybe greenspun reads you

04:07:05 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes> not depreciation? << this is a particularly cogent question. the us fudges EVERYTHING, including the actual expenditure on infrastructure through, counting depreciation, counting future "financial costs" etc etc etc. half the political machine in the us works on pork contracts, which are all "infrastructure". that famous bridge in alaska was not even 1% of 1%.

04:08:19 mircea_popescu: a butthole-issued "20 to 25% gdp" is a much more reliable statistic than whatever the miniprop publishes. and it's definitely under germany. one needs but take a walk around detroit and frankfurt to see.

04:08:36 decimation: yeah the best comment on greenspun's article: "This is a subject and comparison that has been written about at length. German roads last longer because they are built substantially better than most U.S. roads. The German system of road construction relies on large long-term contracts with national companies that must build and maintain the roadway and are responsible for repairing any design and engineering defects. There is a powerfu

04:09:42 decimation: the us political system 'selects for' low-bid crony incompetents while strangling anyone with a clue

04:12:45 mircea_popescu: !up Michail1

04:14:05 mircea_popescu: decimation it's a mystery tho. france could also have good infrastructure. itdoes not. i doubt it's the "political" anything, they're about as equally retarded.

04:34:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49900 @ 0.00028907 = 14.4246 BTC [-]

04:36:03 trinque: at least in the american case I think there's a tacit understanding that at least one color of the two is there to loot the federal government, certainly not to do anything constructive

04:36:21 trinque: the fact that the "red states" tend to take more federal money lines up with that

04:36:51 trinque: and of course the second of the two colors are also there to loot, but they dress it up as something constructive

04:37:28 trinque: any idiot off the street will tell you that this "pork" is how it is, has been, will be

04:37:36 trinque: matter-of-fact-ly

04:40:25 trinque: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lin-a2lTelg

04:57:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 131750 @ 0.00028863 = 38.027 BTC [-] {2}

05:01:46 ben_vulpes: http://sourceforge.net/p/bitcoin/mailman/message/34143564/

05:02:46 ben_vulpes: "so I poisoned the DNS and rejected all outbound connection attempts on port 8333, to force all the wallets to connect to a single local full node, which had connectivity to a single remote node over the Internet. Thus, all the lightweight wallets at the festival had Bitcoin network connectivity, but we only needed to backhaul the Bitcoin network's transaction traffic once."

05:02:46 ben_vulpes: spv's bad, mk?

05:02:46 ben_vulpes: moreover, bitcoining on other peoples networks is bad, mk?

05:05:49 trinque: ben_vulpes: they're seriously thinking of using that avahi turd in their bitcoind?

05:06:01 trinque: or some reimplementation thereof?

05:07:33 ben_vulpes: dude bitcoin-development 2015 is turning into bitcointalk.org 2012

05:09:07 trinque: ah no nevermind

05:09:18 trinque: zeroconf looks to be "zero confirmation txn" in this usage

05:09:42 trinque: it also refers to the 169.254 autoconfig IPs and various other poetteringisms seen in avahi and bonjour

05:14:27 ben_vulpes: no no, someone thinks that's a grand idea

05:15:05 ben_vulpes: http://sourceforge.net/p/bitcoin/mailman/message/34143498/ << because a .conf file's too hard.

05:24:51 trinque: oh good

05:25:31 trinque: "web of things" is the new web 2.0

05:25:49 trinque: hordes of mouthbreathing visioneers incoming

05:28:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18813 @ 0.00028941 = 5.4447 BTC [+]

05:50:55 ben_vulpes: "The net result was that all Bitcoin nodes (lightweight and heavyweight) on the local Wi-Fi network were unable to connect to any Bitcoin nodes except for the local node, which they discovered via DNS." << and this is an argument for dns in core *how*?

06:20:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65881 @ 0.00028863 = 19.0152 BTC [-] {2}

06:25:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23979 @ 0.00028941 = 6.9398 BTC [+]

06:38:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60450 @ 0.00029213 = 17.6593 BTC [+] {3}

07:23:39 scoopbot_revived: Even educated fleas do it ! http://www.contravex.com/2015/05/26/even-educated-fleas-do-it/

07:26:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 162919 @ 0.00028758 = 46.8522 BTC [-] {2}

07:39:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3700 @ 0.00028736 = 1.0632 BTC [-]

08:03:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75962 @ 0.00029563 = 22.4566 BTC [+] {4}

08:04:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18088 @ 0.00029943 = 5.4161 BTC [+]

08:21:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63100 @ 0.00028736 = 18.1324 BTC [-]

08:59:59 mircea_popescu: <trinque> matter-of-fact-ly << only a problem in places which insist on pretending like there is or should be a difference between money and politics.

09:00:20 mircea_popescu: great way to keep the idiot sons employed, sure. but ideally you don't wantthem employed in congress, if at all possible.

09:01:06 mircea_popescu: avahi wait wut

09:03:12 mircea_popescu: in other news, this is why the girl should be taller than you : http://31.media.tumblr.com/20c2f2e3dd873ef89624ae370538a6da/tumblr_mub7xj0noX1sjfxgho1_400.gif

09:04:12 mircea_popescu: best explanation ever.

09:15:46 mircea_popescu: http://8ch.net/btc/res/326.html lol

09:21:04 chetty: the guy spoke to SATOSHI so I'm pretty sure we should just trust what he says./// rolling eyes

09:26:06 fluffypony: meh, I spoke to Satoshi too

09:26:17 fluffypony: he makes an excellent Salmon California Roll

09:27:48 mircea_popescu: fucking cheese.

09:27:55 mircea_popescu: who puts cheese in fish i want to know.

09:28:52 cazalla: trying to think of a cheese/fish combo but can't think of anything that might taste nice

09:29:10 cazalla: some sorta cheese sauce on white fish mebe

09:29:22 mircea_popescu: smoked salmon works with a variety of harder cheeses, but i like my sushi rawq

09:32:15 cazalla: i do love blue cheese sauce with some chilli on a schnitty

09:32:44 cazalla: and i do make the best crumbed schnitty in australia

09:33:03 fluffypony: all jokes aside, I must agree

09:33:11 fluffypony: I eat sashimi over everything else

09:33:18 fluffypony: salmon and eel sashimi preferred

09:33:41 mircea_popescu: tuna and salmon

09:33:47 mircea_popescu: dunno about teh eel. i like it cooked.

09:33:52 chetty: ooo eel, havent has that in sooo long, now I am drooling

09:34:44 fluffypony: eel sashimi is cooked

09:34:50 fluffypony: otherwise afair it's poisonous

09:35:44 cazalla: more fugu!

09:43:31 mircea_popescu: i suppose it depends on the eel

09:50:11 cazalla: never had it, never even seen it for sale here at the fish markets

09:50:46 cazalla: there are some local eels not far from here but all the run off from the gutters run into the lake so i'm not game to eat from it (some old fucks catch their eels there and eat em)

09:52:31 mircea_popescu: all fish lives off shit. that's what it is.

09:54:10 cazalla: mind you i considered bagging a few ducks from the same lake

09:55:37 mircea_popescu: heh

10:13:56 mircea_popescu: and in other news, http://i.imgur.com/x3aDjLs.gifv

10:16:13 cazalla: i like turtles

10:20:45 scoopbot_revived: The Producers http://fraudsters.com/2015/the-producers/

10:25:38 cazalla: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VputHxyjL00

10:33:32 cazalla: LD is like kryptonite to even the most hardened acolyte of /pol/

10:51:06 cazalla: hot patootie, bless my soul!

11:30:34 cazalla: copypaste, captchas? wtf

11:30:50 cazalla: how am i meant to shit post?

11:47:28 cazalla: this slivivitz is quote nivcer but i think i rather the cherry i had last week

11:48:27 cazalla: ya squat while ya drink it top kek lulz

11:48:50 cazalla: http://i2.wp.com/weirdrussia.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/gopnik.jpg

12:15:32 cazalla: copypaste, seriously the captcha is driving me insane

12:18:02 cazalla: ah well wait till tonight, she got hers, now he'll get his

12:20:11 cazalla: don't tell me to stfu and can it

12:20:13 cazalla: janet

12:21:52 cazalla: oh damnit

12:22:10 cazalla: i married a woman more frigid than janet, damnit

12:22:58 mircea_popescu: eh you ever heard that "there's no such thing as frigid women, just unskilled men" ?

12:24:06 cazalla: exception that proves the rule

12:24:09 cazalla: ya heard that one?

12:25:26 mircea_popescu: hehe

12:26:01 mircea_popescu: so whadda ya do all day ?

12:26:29 cazalla: me or her?

12:26:56 cazalla: me.. read logs, look for news, look for work, stare out the window and think of what might be if i had not got her pregnant

12:27:24 cazalla: her.. cry, whinge, complain because kid pulls her hair, her washing off the clothes horse, food out her hand/mouth

12:27:35 cazalla: i mean god forbid, the poor woman is stuck reading books all day long

12:27:45 mircea_popescu: you two ever had a chat bout all this ?

12:27:47 cazalla: fucked if i am going to sit with the kid 24/7

12:27:51 mircea_popescu: an' i dun mean a screaming match.

12:28:00 cazalla: yeah many times but i lock the door and stay in the computer (craft) room

12:28:06 cazalla: nah she doesn't scream or fight

12:28:09 cazalla: just cries

12:28:25 cazalla: maybe she has reason.. been around the world many times, me? never

12:28:29 cazalla: so she knows what she is missing

12:28:33 cazalla: me? not reary

12:29:02 cazalla: yet believe it or not she wants another

12:29:44 cazalla: and we tried last month and i thought of her friend the entire time.. half figured to tell her while banging her

12:30:00 cazalla: but last thing i need is more tears

12:30:12 mircea_popescu: another what ?

12:30:16 cazalla: bubs

12:30:51 cazalla: 2 of the mums at her mums group are already pregnant so i figure some jealousy or envy

12:31:24 cazalla: mind you, all mid 30s dried up vag type women

12:31:52 mircea_popescu: when do you want women to have kids, at 16 ?

12:32:09 cazalla: mine or anyones

12:32:37 cazalla: tbh i don't even know, i got duped by this conservation /pol/ shit just as i thought i was due to drop dead

12:32:45 cazalla: conservative even

12:32:56 cazalla: best gf i had

12:32:59 cazalla: love life wise

12:33:09 cazalla: was the one where we argued, things got smashed, cheated on each other

12:33:16 cazalla: was utter shit

12:33:26 *: mircea_popescu never cared much for that.

12:33:28 cazalla: but at least it was a passion love/hate fuck fest

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12:33:46 cazalla: i didn't think i did either but my missus won't as much raise her voice without crying

12:33:58 cazalla: it is like dealing with another toddler

12:34:09 cazalla: at least my son has an excuse, he's 16 months old, her? what excuse?

12:34:12 mircea_popescu: what's she do for a living anyway ?

12:34:16 cazalla: nothing now

12:34:22 cazalla: prior to bubs.. marketing pr office shit

12:34:24 mircea_popescu: an' before ?

12:34:27 mircea_popescu: ah.

12:34:32 cazalla: what else eh

12:34:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19438 @ 0.00029961 = 5.8238 BTC [+]

12:34:34 mircea_popescu: so teach her something.

12:34:41 cazalla: what?

12:34:44 cazalla: she has her own hobbies

12:34:46 mircea_popescu: anything you feel like.

12:34:52 cazalla: just can't afford the time atm for her stuff

12:35:04 mircea_popescu: foirget that. just go, "woman, come over i wanna teach you to X"

12:35:13 cazalla: yeah she just isn't like that

12:35:19 cazalla: like i said.. exception that proves the rule

12:35:22 mircea_popescu: how you know ?

12:35:24 cazalla: ya think they don't exist but they do

12:35:28 cazalla: cause i've tried

12:35:32 mircea_popescu: so she cried ?

12:35:48 cazalla: over anything and everything

12:35:59 cazalla: cept instead of my abuse

12:36:04 cazalla: kid beats on her now

12:36:11 mircea_popescu: ;/

12:36:18 cazalla: pulls her hair, she cries, he laughs

12:36:19 mircea_popescu: sounds like a shitty life.

12:36:36 cazalla: well i tell her to go out with the other mums

12:36:42 cazalla: but she acts as if she has 10 kids, not 1

12:36:46 cazalla: but he is pretty full on

12:37:07 cazalla: i can't deal with it without resorting to smashing things

12:37:12 cazalla: so she is left to deal with it

12:37:24 mircea_popescu: sounds like a pretty serious problem brewing.

12:37:43 cazalla: so what? ya belt a 16 month old?

12:37:48 cazalla: they dont understand at that age

12:37:57 cazalla: like i said before he's like a jew

12:38:05 cazalla: he hits you and cries out in pain when you respond

12:38:09 davout: cazalla: moar money than you?

12:38:19 cazalla: davout, yup and by a huge fucking mile

12:38:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54720 @ 0.00029084 = 15.9148 BTC [-]

12:38:40 cazalla: davout, i bitched about this before mind you.. her father provided everything.. and i mean EVERYTHING

12:38:52 cazalla: woman doesn't know how to really do anything

12:38:56 davout: i was referring to the jewish baby

12:38:59 cazalla: oh

12:39:08 cazalla: well by default yeah i guess so he wants for nothing

12:39:20 cazalla: never enough for toddlers though

12:39:31 cazalla: my earliest memory is getting a beating

12:39:36 mircea_popescu: i think jdif is toddler default

12:39:36 cazalla: this kid? doubt it

12:39:37 mircea_popescu: some outgrow it

12:39:53 cazalla: i went fucking mental the other week at her

12:40:11 cazalla: she tells me.. (on account of her sister/mother) that he won't get into a good school on account he is not christianed

12:40:31 mircea_popescu: cause jewish ?

12:40:43 cazalla: lol no

12:40:56 cazalla: just stupid

12:41:11 cazalla: not that i am super smart

12:41:12 mircea_popescu: davout did you manage to get that pogo going btw ?

12:41:19 cazalla: but i am not christianed either

12:41:36 mircea_popescu: cazalla i think it's christened.

12:41:45 cazalla: let him go to a montessori school if not privately tutored

12:41:52 cazalla: maybe but i am drunk like a fish

12:41:56 mircea_popescu: what's wrong with public schools ?

12:42:01 cazalla: it can be xistied for all i care

12:42:09 cazalla: here? nothing when i was that age

12:42:14 cazalla: now? full of riff raff

12:42:17 mircea_popescu: so ?

12:42:19 cazalla: he'd prob get beat up by the nig nogs

12:42:25 mircea_popescu: well...

12:42:28 davout: mircea_popescu: well yes, stuck at the part where i need to put an bitcoind arm binary on the thing

12:42:31 mircea_popescu: at least he gets used to it.

12:42:33 cazalla: where as i fought and won many fights

12:42:43 cazalla: yeah but i grew up fighting a grown man (my father)

12:42:46 cazalla: so taking on 2-3 kids was nothing

12:42:49 davout: an as far as i understand we need to have a static build first, which we don't

12:42:57 cazalla: dont really have the heart to give him a flogging like my father did me

12:43:12 cazalla: my father would flog me with a jug cord when i was lucky

12:43:22 mircea_popescu: davout well... in the absolute purist sense we won't for a while, on account of how thoroughly corrupt the stack is.

12:43:30 cazalla: otherwise it was punches, many a time spent on the ground gasping for air because he winded me

12:43:31 mircea_popescu: but... there is a cvasi-functional build dpb's been using

12:43:52 cazalla: now i figure it was because my father had his own inadequiancies

12:44:02 mircea_popescu: cazalla the way i view it, especially seeing how it's other people's work & labour,

12:44:04 cazalla: but eventually, i toppled even him

12:44:10 mircea_popescu: public school's a great boon. let him fail early.

12:44:32 mircea_popescu: rather than grow up to be 30 and THEN discover he really has no place in the world.

12:44:42 cazalla: mircea_popescu, but public school here is not the school of hard knocks i went to, it's the school of sjw now

12:44:44 davout: if there's a way to get bitcoind running on the buildroot install i'm interested, my pogo, is waiting, with it's SSD plugged in and all

12:45:02 mircea_popescu: davout you looked through his notes ?

12:45:20 davout: i don't really care that much if it isn't 'pure'

12:45:38 mircea_popescu: cazalla whatever it may be. public school, it's what it is, by definition, like a floating piece of wood on water, always level.

12:45:41 cazalla: remidns me, i need to get my pogo up and going

12:45:50 davout: yeah i did

12:45:52 cazalla: level with what

12:45:58 mircea_popescu: the public.

12:46:08 cazalla: but the public today are weak

12:46:21 cazalla: at least, even 30 years ago, you'd cop a beating from someone

12:46:24 mircea_popescu: so what, you'll build him a speshul earth ?

12:46:29 cazalla: now men of tody are scared to even talk to kids

12:46:31 cazalla: nope

12:46:40 cazalla: if i have my way i'll take him out bush

12:46:50 mircea_popescu: well maybe not at 16 months.

12:47:06 cazalla: australia is fucked beyond repair

12:47:12 cazalla: only took 30 years

12:47:35 cazalla: tbh i blame lack of aunts/uncles/relatives/grandparents for all this shit

12:47:41 cazalla: when i grew up, it's all i knew

12:48:00 cazalla: my son? 1 cousin, 1 uncle, 1 aunty, grand parents live far away, fucking nothing

12:48:06 cazalla: so the mother bares all the burden

12:48:21 cazalla: i got tossed all around the place just a few decades ago if not i went my own way

12:48:38 cazalla: fucking country of pussies

12:48:52 cazalla: someone cussing out muslims makes the mainstream media for hate crimes

12:49:03 cazalla: meanwhile fags were bashed on live tv 25 years ago

12:49:09 mircea_popescu: heh

12:49:10 cazalla: literally

12:49:22 cazalla: fuck australia

12:49:39 cazalla: hope the indochinese come and rape everyone

12:49:48 cazalla: give them a real reason to cry

12:50:16 copypaste: cazalla: https://8ch.net/hola.html

12:51:16 copypaste: Sorry. Site went down four times before I admitted defeat.

12:51:16 copypaste: I offered to pay the Jews off via email, maybe they will accept my offer.

12:51:16 cazalla: yeah i know about that shitty plugin

12:51:16 mircea_popescu: copypaste you know i've been seeing a lot of wobble

12:51:16 cazalla: 8chan is dead already

12:51:16 mircea_popescu: o.O

12:51:16 cazalla: all it took was some jews with some plugins

12:51:16 copypaste: hehe

12:51:16 copypaste: it's worse than that

12:51:20 copypaste: all imageboards without CAPTCHA are dead

12:51:28 copypaste: due to this plugin. just a matter of it getting big enough for a spammer to find it fun to spam.

12:51:31 davout: cazalla: you sound bitter, the cool thing about australia though is that you can easily go live in the middle of nowhere and get away form other humans

12:51:31 cazalla: but we dont have captcha here

12:51:39 cazalla: maybe you add assbot to 8chan eh?

12:51:43 mircea_popescu: copypaste o wow, leveraged tor ?

12:51:52 cazalla: davout, not bitter, just betrayede

12:51:56 copypaste: yes, basically Tor but a much larger network

12:52:00 copypaste: 9M exits srong

12:52:03 copypaste: 0.2% of IP space.

12:52:07 cazalla: davout, and you can't go live in the middle of fucking nowhere, middle of nowhere IS THE FUCKING DESERT

12:52:11 mircea_popescu: copypaste bring it back on a pgp backend.

12:52:30 cazalla: i can't imagine a better scenario for wot than 8chana

12:52:34 mircea_popescu: ^

12:52:42 davout: cazalla: yeah well exactly, you don't get cable tv

12:53:03 mircea_popescu: copypaste also, can i has mah banner on your dead page ? :D

12:54:06 copypaste: dead page?

12:54:10 copypaste: the site's not dead. just requires a CAPTCHA.

12:54:23 mircea_popescu: oh oh sorry my bad

12:54:26 cazalla: you know if you added a wot requirement to post, people would either capitulate and join or leave

12:54:26 mircea_popescu: i misunderstood.

12:54:31 cazalla: both scenario is good outcome

12:54:45 mircea_popescu: copypaste i thought you were ddosed into the ground.

12:54:58 copypaste: nah, it was a layer 7 DoS against post.pp

12:54:58 cazalla: fucking winter so cold here

12:55:06 cazalla: we have ducted heating but.. gets too hot

12:55:07 copypaste: i'll think about it some more in the morning. what would stop bots from generating PGP keys? unless i forced them into being at a certain PGp level of course

12:55:20 cazalla: wow

12:55:23 cazalla: copypaste l2p

12:55:35 mircea_popescu: copypaste for one thing, generating keys is reasonably intensive

12:55:36 cazalla: i can go and create 6 million pgp keys

12:55:40 cazalla: what standing would that give me here?

12:55:53 copypaste: as i said

12:55:59 copypaste: unless i force them into being at a certain WoT level

12:56:05 cazalla: so whip it

12:56:07 copypaste: but at that point it's no longer an anonymous BBS.

12:56:08 cazalla: whip it good

12:56:10 davout: copypaste: also feed them to phuctor

12:56:20 mircea_popescu: copypaste in truth all imagebnoards were always pseudonymous

12:56:27 mircea_popescu: you can't have absolute anonimitycan you.

12:56:31 copypaste: true. well, 8chan lets you post over Tor.

12:56:40 copypaste: if you fill out a captcha and stand on one leg while sticking your tongue out

12:56:42 copypaste: :)

12:56:54 copypaste: fullchan4jtta4sx.onion

12:56:55 mircea_popescu: copypaste this is how pgp evens the odds : a new sig costs about 10x more cycles to make

12:56:59 mircea_popescu: than the spam costs you

12:57:17 copypaste: well, that's only for a secure public key.

12:57:23 copypaste: i could make a PGP key with just any data.

12:57:24 mircea_popescu: ips were cheap before, and you still could handle it. now that they became much cheaper they also became a problem

12:57:31 copypaste: it doesn't need to be secure if i just want to spam

12:57:41 copypaste: that's true

12:58:59 mircea_popescu: and you can replace captcha with pgp challenge

12:59:04 cazalla: more more more

12:59:06 mircea_popescu: always on for 1st use, or if spammy.

12:59:08 mircea_popescu: like this :

12:59:16 mircea_popescu: !rate herp 1 derp

12:59:16 assbot: herp is not registered in WoT.

12:59:19 mircea_popescu: meh

12:59:23 mircea_popescu: !rate cazalla 1 derp

12:59:23 assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/9ce79021008ac55f

12:59:35 cazalla: i don't really care

12:59:38 mircea_popescu: you put that on the page, they verify they can use pgp, that's it.

12:59:42 cazalla: was drunk before, will be a drunk after

12:59:52 mircea_popescu: cazalla i was getting an otp to show hw dood.

13:00:01 cazalla: nah you were being passive aggressive

13:00:04 cazalla: lol

13:00:16 mircea_popescu: lol. im rarely agressive and never passive.

13:00:30 cazalla: on the defensive?

13:01:03 cazalla: i'll sell you my missus for 1 btc

13:01:06 cazalla: what says you

13:01:09 cazalla: copypaste, taker?

13:01:15 cazalla: fuck i'll give her away for free

13:01:23 cazalla: not even shitting you

13:01:32 mircea_popescu: there's ~3bn women i don't know out there, and at most 20mn btc

13:01:34 mircea_popescu: you do the math.

13:01:46 cazalla: don't even need to

13:01:52 cazalla: a satoshi?

13:02:22 cazalla: i shouldn't even be in this fucking situation

13:02:29 mircea_popescu: well so get out then.

13:02:42 cazalla: bit difficult when a kid is involved

13:02:51 cazalla: maybe bitcoin will allow me to have another missus elsewhere

13:02:58 mircea_popescu: or maybe jesus will.

13:03:06 cazalla: but i'll never leave/ditch her on account of her mothering my son

13:03:20 cazalla: she's a good mum mind you

13:03:25 mircea_popescu: so then.

13:03:37 cazalla: just a shitty missus/lay/fuck/cook/cleaner/talker

13:03:44 cazalla: imagine a woman that can't even cook

13:03:56 cazalla: she tried to cook me a meal last week when i did a one day first aid course

13:04:03 mircea_popescu: neway copypaste dun despair man. as seinfeld rabi says, "often, in life, there are problems - and just as often, there are solutions"

13:04:05 cazalla: wasn't even ready by 10pm

13:04:09 cazalla: told her to fuck it and put it in the bin

13:04:25 cazalla: how hard is it to cook lamb shanks

13:04:27 mircea_popescu: so teach her how to cook.

13:04:29 cazalla: in a slow cooker

13:04:38 cazalla: why should i teach her? her father/mother should've

13:04:41 cazalla: she's mid 30s

13:04:45 mircea_popescu: i'll tell you : she prolly set it too low because she was trying too hard not to fuck up.

13:04:48 cazalla: not for me to teach her anything at that age

13:04:57 cazalla: yeah i know exactly what you mean

13:04:59 mircea_popescu: dude forget shoulds. she's your wife, no shoulds.

13:05:03 cazalla: fucks up because of fear of fucking up

13:05:18 cazalla: she really needs a beating

13:05:23 cazalla: just to have a good cry if anything

13:05:25 mircea_popescu: not so far.

13:05:36 Adlai: think of it (teaching her to cook) as an investment in your children's mother/teacher

13:05:47 cazalla: fwiw i dont think anyone needs to be taught to cook

13:05:51 cazalla: should come from within

13:05:55 cazalla: i never read much as half a cook book

13:05:58 mircea_popescu: you don't beat women for existing eh. beating is corrective or perhaps aesthetic, not fucking psychological release.

13:05:59 cazalla: but i can cook

13:06:09 mircea_popescu: well aintcha a little bush hero :D

13:06:15 cazalla: Adlai, i cook the kid's meals, not her

13:06:27 mircea_popescu: erryone that knows to cook does, and erryone who doesn't doesn't. either teach her or else suffar.

13:06:29 Adlai: exactly why you should teach her, so you don't have to do it all yourself

13:06:31 cazalla: mircea_popescu, yeah well i stomped grapes, she didn't, there ya go

13:06:38 cazalla: Adlai, i love cooking

13:06:51 cazalla: cooking is like breathing

13:07:23 Adlai: except my kitchen doesn't turn into a garbage dump from people just standing there breathing

13:07:26 mircea_popescu: Adlai they've got one hell of a thing going, woman fucks up because she's too petrified of doing a bad job an' disappointing him, and he won't teach her because he's petrified of not being able to, and disappointing her.

13:07:30 mircea_popescu: you two need to get over each other.

13:07:48 cazalla: mircea_popescu, no-one taught me

13:07:52 mircea_popescu: so ?

13:07:59 cazalla: yet i can cook for a king or pleb

13:08:02 mircea_popescu: what, the world is equal to your own personal experience ?

13:08:23 cazalla: well now, we've all gotta eat

13:08:29 cazalla: and by eat

13:08:30 mircea_popescu: i bet no one breastfed you, either.

13:08:31 cazalla: i mean eat

13:08:32 Adlai: "it takes a tough man to cook a tender chicken" or teach a good lesson

13:08:39 cazalla: mircea_popescu, 2 years

13:08:49 cazalla: so clearly i hate on the bitch for only managing 12 months

13:08:56 mircea_popescu: eh don't sell yourself short, you prolly made that tit.

13:09:07 cazalla: and she only did it because i forced it

13:09:21 cazalla: or, just like the rest of the mothers in her "mums group" she would've gone to formula

13:09:33 mircea_popescu: "The terms are simple: you get the first $1,000 every new Luminati customer that you referred, spends with us."

13:09:34 cazalla: may as well toss the kid in the bin at that point like a fucked up meal

13:09:52 cazalla: who ever heard of this bullshit that breastfeeding is something most women can't do

13:10:01 cazalla: yet down under.. standard

13:10:30 mircea_popescu: notwithstanding the inconvenience this is causing our friend, interesting service.

13:11:30 mircea_popescu: in other news, http://38.media.tumblr.com/ac2966bbf55bb0146933fc09d63e3e92/tumblr_myszimu3Y61s7i603o1_400.gif

13:12:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67980 @ 0.00029027 = 19.7326 BTC [-] {3}

13:12:31 mircea_popescu: fucking performance.

13:13:59 mircea_popescu: cazalla listen, in any case : you gotta do things together. that's the long and the short of it. now, if she sucks then what you do will be training, but there's no out of this.

13:14:29 cazalla: i forget if i read this on fraudsters

13:14:31 cazalla: or some other site

13:14:45 cazalla: the things that attract you to someone in the beginning are things you end up hating about that preson

13:15:02 mircea_popescu: if this is the case you got a problem.

13:15:10 cazalla: yeah i know this

13:15:14 cazalla: i know i ahve a problem

13:15:21 cazalla: sorta what i am whining about eh

13:15:34 cazalla: no kid? i'd be gone already

13:15:36 cazalla: kid?

13:15:45 cazalla: bit of a degenerate to abandon him

13:15:53 cazalla: if i drop dead at 50 and he takes the lot so be it

13:16:05 mircea_popescu: so you got yourself a conflict. better stuff of life.

13:16:05 cazalla: won't leave him without a father though

13:16:24 mircea_popescu: it is, notably, not the woman's fault that you got yourself a conflict.

13:16:31 cazalla: nope, not her fault at all

13:16:33 cazalla: my own fault

13:16:36 cazalla: 100%

13:16:43 cazalla: which is why i stay and suffer

13:16:56 mircea_popescu: and in the latest eulora news : today's bug is, "mp just got a large mining find, so large in fact that it didn't fit in his mining claim, so it got truncated."

13:17:03 cazalla: would be easy to leave if i ascribed 100% of the blame to her

13:17:05 mircea_popescu: who fucking knew, before today, this is a problem o.O

13:17:19 cazalla: she's mine, he's mine

13:17:32 cazalla: and that is that and if it kills me so be it, he'll have a father to do things with and so it goes

13:17:55 cazalla: rahter off myself than leave him alone with her

13:17:56 mircea_popescu: i somehow dun think it'll kill ya

13:18:15 cazalla: well it all adds up eh

13:18:29 cazalla: already aged 10 years in the past 16 months

13:18:44 cazalla: stopped drinking for 2-3 year before he sprung up

13:18:55 cazalla: no-one puts the drink to my mouth mind you

13:19:03 mircea_popescu: right.

13:19:19 cazalla: i mean tbh sometimes i regret even waking up

13:19:26 cazalla: it'd be nice to just lay down, sleep and that's that

13:19:46 mircea_popescu: heh

13:19:56 cazalla: no better way to go

13:20:04 cazalla: and i've seen worse

13:20:07 cazalla: trains

13:20:07 cazalla: car

13:20:09 cazalla: necked

13:20:11 mircea_popescu: http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mb8zahcz491rsv2j1o1_1280.png << i wonder why these never caught on.

13:21:11 cazalla: bed is bliss in comparison

13:21:11 mircea_popescu: diamond ring for wedding, whore necklace for divorce

13:21:26 cazalla: anyway just as my wife is, youare the exception to the rule so futile to compare

13:21:48 cazalla: would ya believe though it was nothing less than a mexican negro half caste which convinced me about this woman

13:21:56 cazalla: all because she played zelda

13:22:00 cazalla: fuck me and my youth

13:22:08 mircea_popescu: lol wut ?

13:22:15 cazalla: "gamer girlfriend"

13:22:23 cazalla: FUCK YOU PIPEDREAM!

13:22:42 mircea_popescu: what a criterion lol.

13:22:45 cazalla: should've gone to the locale catholic or even mormon church to find a woman

13:22:48 cazalla: haah i know right

13:22:51 cazalla: western man

13:22:57 cazalla: chasing a waifu gamer girl

13:23:00 cazalla: what a fucking con that was

13:23:07 cazalla: they play fucking iphone games

13:23:12 cazalla: and she does to this day

13:23:17 mircea_popescu: here's one for you : the only she-assassin i ever met actually proposed to me.

13:23:22 cazalla: playing some bastardised plants vs zombies shit

13:23:26 mircea_popescu: she sounded a lot like you, amusingly. about as drunk.

13:23:42 cazalla: an ex gf wanted to get amrried and have kids

13:23:54 cazalla: was emailing me blocks of land many years ago

13:24:05 cazalla: fucked her off

13:24:10 mircea_popescu: an' why ?

13:24:19 cazalla: because no woman i met was really like that

13:24:23 cazalla: most australian women are like men

13:24:27 cazalla: want to fuck and part ways

13:24:35 mircea_popescu: aha

13:24:56 cazalla: seriously surprised i even spawned a kid

13:25:05 cazalla: if it wasnt for the fact he looks like a carbon copy

13:25:49 cazalla: i'd go innawoods

13:25:53 cazalla: if it wasnt for him

13:25:55 cazalla: live on crown land

13:25:58 cazalla: little hut

13:26:01 cazalla: chop some wood

13:26:21 cazalla: more lumber mi lord

13:26:25 mircea_popescu: no interwebs ?

13:26:45 cazalla: be happy to ditch it at this point tbh

13:26:57 cazalla: maybe login, download logs/emails and that be that

13:27:12 cazalla: no www shit is worth a shit at this point or has been for years, gaming is dead for at least a decade

13:27:17 cazalla: it is all fucked

13:27:18 cazalla: all fucked

13:27:20 cazalla: fucked

13:27:21 mircea_popescu: from experience, this retirement thing lasts about a year

13:27:25 mircea_popescu: three if you're very stubborn

13:27:37 cazalla: then let me die within 3 years

13:27:46 cazalla: all i want is a bit more land

13:27:54 cazalla: small orchard, more gardens, live stock

13:28:11 cazalla: compy 386 to grab some files for some reading

13:28:47 cazalla: i specifically remember this point in high school thinking about the future

13:28:51 cazalla: nothing has fkn changed

13:28:58 cazalla: maybe a bit of lipstick on the pig that is hte internet

13:29:04 cazalla: but really nothing has changed

13:29:22 cazalla: fuck this gay earth

13:29:24 mircea_popescu: well... better video.

13:29:54 cazalla: not even

13:30:06 cazalla: shitty 320*200 jpg got me more exicted than the 4k porn of today

13:31:21 cazalla: better people too

13:31:44 cazalla: "better class of people"

13:34:20 mircea_popescu: meh. 20 years ago chicks kinda sucked at sex.

13:37:49 cazalla: zzzzzzzzzz

13:42:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57317 @ 0.00029724 = 17.0369 BTC [+] {2}

13:49:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31700 @ 0.0002863 = 9.0757 BTC [-] {2}

13:49:41 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://nosuchlabs.com/stats < did the loader script die or something /

13:52:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53886 @ 0.00028618 = 15.4211 BTC [-]

13:57:51 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nope. last night when got home, turned on experiment where it snarfs from pre-filtered (i.e. having rsa moduli) keys

13:58:28 asciilifeform: still not caught up yet though

13:58:58 asciilifeform: possibly tonight will write a civilized loader which forgoes the idiocy of setting up http connection for each key submitted and pumps straight into the db

13:59:53 mircea_popescu: ah cool.

14:00:13 mircea_popescu: what's whis by now, phuctor three major and twelve minor revisiona later

14:00:19 asciilifeform: 1 major

14:00:28 asciilifeform: lost-count-how-many minor

14:00:40 mircea_popescu: let's argue about classification!

14:00:45 asciilifeform: l0l

14:01:21 asciilifeform: btw that cazalla thread would make for great reading alongside of the 'why not have children' thread from during c3

14:01:55 mircea_popescu: it's not for everyone.

14:02:21 mircea_popescu: actually... there's that chinese dizident

14:02:23 asciilifeform: which thing is for everyone? only death, afaik, is definitely 'for everyone.'

14:02:39 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2012/cine-se-casatoreste/

14:03:40 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not even death. definitely not for woody allen & co.

14:04:49 mod6: i should have waited on my key-retest. lol, got 119764 infront of it in the queue now.

14:05:46 mircea_popescu: mod6 i think they're behind not in front

14:07:28 mod6: ah, well, at first there was only 2 in Moduli Remaining, but that number has been climbing.

14:07:35 mod6: no worries.

14:08:06 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that article is a tough cookie for my puny brain

14:08:23 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: consider brief spoiler ?

14:08:26 mircea_popescu: it's insanely hard to translate, because as written it's nearly pure poetry.

14:08:31 mircea_popescu: but i shall endeavour.

14:08:31 asciilifeform: i get this.

14:19:19 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-05-2015#1145303 << mircea_popescu went to school with built-in graveyard ?

14:19:19 assbot: Logged on 26-05-2015 12:44:10; mircea_popescu: public school's a great boon. let him fail early.

14:20:56 mircea_popescu: howssat ?

14:21:25 asciilifeform: in context of http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-05-2015#1145304

14:21:25 assbot: Logged on 26-05-2015 12:44:32; mircea_popescu: rather than grow up to be 30 and THEN discover he really has no place in the world.

14:22:43 asciilifeform: the basic observation is sound, in that we have a 'mouse experiment' situation where men (specifically) are built considerably in excess of how many 'places' are to be had for them

14:24:02 mircea_popescu: myeah.

14:24:45 asciilifeform: but outside of quasi-mythical sparta, the winnowing in the past was worked by 'four horsemen' rather than specially-designed school

14:28:02 mircea_popescu: nobody died when/where i went to schoo, contrary to whining to the contrary.

14:28:10 mircea_popescu: idem in the army (not that i went, but i can count as well as anyone)

14:30:52 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: so what cut down the superfluous males ?

14:31:27 asciilifeform: (implication was - that they died. unless i misread)

14:32:14 mircea_popescu: no, implication was that they came to terms with their life.

14:32:29 mircea_popescu: why perpetuate the delusion, at great cost and for no benefit ?

14:37:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37800 @ 0.00029231 = 11.0493 BTC [+]

14:59:16 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://fraudsters.com/2015/he-who-gets-married/

15:00:17 davout: danielpbarron asciilifeform re mircea_popescu's comments earlier regarding bitcoind's pogo, is there any way that i can get it running on the buildroot install before we actually manage to pull-off a static build?

15:01:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54225 @ 0.00029239 = 15.8548 BTC [+]

15:04:28 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they came to terms with their life. << did i forget to take my morning lsd today, or what? who and where ever 'came to terms with their life' ?

15:04:57 mircea_popescu: is that a quote ?

15:06:18 asciilifeform: which

15:06:26 asciilifeform: 1st sentence - no

15:06:34 asciilifeform: just statement of utter bewilderment

15:07:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43874 @ 0.0002983 = 13.0876 BTC [+]

15:08:52 mircea_popescu: Dear Judge Forrest,

15:08:52 mircea_popescu: I am writing you this letter in anticipation of my upcoming sentencing. This is a challenging letter to write because, as one who faces punishment, I have a strong incentive to say anything I think might result in leniency. But I have endeavored to be honest and forthright throughout this process, and so I will be in this letter as well.

15:08:53 mircea_popescu: example.

15:09:21 asciilifeform: what next, link to confessions from the trials of '37 ?

15:09:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41050 @ 0.00029239 = 12.0026 BTC [-]

15:09:41 mircea_popescu: "If I had realized the impact my creation of Silk Road would ultimately have on the people I care about most, I never would have created Silk Road."

15:09:43 mircea_popescu: hey.

15:09:56 mircea_popescu: i never bought into the trotskist explainatorism.

15:10:01 mircea_popescu: to me, it stands, as what they said.

15:10:35 asciilifeform: the gods could write a riotously funny book of what folks said while sitting on stakes, boiling in oil, etc

15:10:46 mircea_popescu: tough.

15:11:03 mircea_popescu: weird notion, that somehow "justice" creates a responsibility vacuum.

15:11:27 asciilifeform: interestingly, it is a well-documented fact that when ivan iv sat his courtiers down on stakes, a very common (if not most common) last few hours was shouting 'god save the king'

15:11:41 mircea_popescu: meanwhile, there's this woman, who was arrested in '52 alongisde her two year old daughter.

15:11:54 mircea_popescu: cazalla doesn't think much of his wife, but this woman raised a child while hiding in the mountains

15:12:05 mircea_popescu: with her own gun. two winters up there, with her guy. who, also arrested.

15:12:21 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and rogozov performed a self-appendectomy in the antarctic.

15:12:23 asciilifeform: what of it.

15:12:48 mircea_popescu: everything of it. what of the rest ?

15:13:10 asciilifeform: what's of it is that you can't be on the edge of every single human performance envelope

15:13:16 asciilifeform: three or four - granted.

15:13:20 asciilifeform: all of them? lsd.

15:13:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27250 @ 0.0002983 = 8.1287 BTC [+]

15:13:54 mircea_popescu: this one, and another of your choice.

15:14:06 mircea_popescu: this one alone will do.

15:14:17 asciilifeform: this one alone sums up to afghanistan.

15:14:18 mircea_popescu: three or four or fifty nine others - unlikely.

15:14:38 asciilifeform: i do not look up to afghanistan as peak of human culture. but that's just imho.

15:14:52 mircea_popescu: culture, no. but culture is not the goal.

15:15:01 mircea_popescu: culture is merely the byproduct.

15:15:47 asciilifeform: let me guess of what

15:15:47 scoopbot_revived: He who gets married.... http://fraudsters.com/2015/he-who-gets-married/

15:15:52 asciilifeform: of surviving ?

15:16:00 asciilifeform: e. coli has us beat hands down, at that

15:16:06 mircea_popescu: depends what you mean by surviving.

15:20:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24900 @ 0.0002983 = 7.4277 BTC [+]

15:21:22 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: how did the mountain episode end ?

15:21:31 mircea_popescu: she died.

15:21:41 mircea_popescu: http://www.eroinenucsoara.ro/maria-plop-ro.php

15:22:43 asciilifeform: everybody dies

15:23:11 mircea_popescu: she died in prison a year or so later.

15:23:47 mircea_popescu: and i will point out that this is not performance.

15:23:49 asciilifeform: according to the link, did surrender eventually

15:23:56 mircea_popescu: everything else, including dance, is performance. this is merely being.

15:24:15 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sure, no find me the "Dear judge fuckwit" bit.

15:24:51 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: do you know the story of schrodinger's public pant-shitting ?

15:24:57 asciilifeform: where he wrote a similar letter to hitler

15:25:03 asciilifeform: which - didn't work

15:25:08 mircea_popescu: myeah

15:25:18 mircea_popescu: note that im not proposing he's any worse a physicist for it.

15:25:21 asciilifeform: one would imagine folks would've learned by now

15:25:23 asciilifeform: not to do this

15:25:30 mircea_popescu: i wouldn't let him marry my daughter on the account.

15:26:01 asciilifeform: iirc he never lacked a harem

15:27:35 mircea_popescu: that was einstein

15:27:41 mircea_popescu: this guy merely had a a live-in gf.

15:28:17 asciilifeform: schrodinger was, iirc, fired from oxford for 'bigamy'

15:28:35 mircea_popescu: more or less. but seriously, who doesn't.

15:28:56 asciilifeform: l0l

15:40:17 mircea_popescu: amusingly, the schrodinger letter to the adolf hitler university senate is not to be found in english

15:40:21 mircea_popescu: freedom of derp.

15:50:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5000 @ 0.0002225 = 1.1125 BTC [-]

16:04:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9920 @ 0.00021753 = 2.1579 BTC [+] {7}

16:27:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 17408 @ 0.00017168 = 2.9886 BTC [-] {3}

16:32:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26700 @ 0.00029892 = 7.9812 BTC [+] {2}

16:46:32 ben_vulpes: <cazalla> fwiw i dont think anyone needs to be taught to cook << nah man it's applied thermo, it must needs be taught or learned through experience

16:46:58 ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> well aintcha a little bush hero :D << lzlzoll

16:48:17 ben_vulpes: <cazalla> which is why i stay and suffer << bail with the bairn?

16:55:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25977 @ 0.00029961 = 7.783 BTC [+]

17:15:39 ben_vulpes: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comment/jeremy-warner/11616509/Jeremy-Warner-How-Iraq-has-left-us-with-the-biggest-financial-bubble-in-history.html

17:16:40 ben_vulpes: "It is also true that contrary to much prediction at the time, it has not proved particularly inflationary."

17:16:40 ben_vulpes: "One thing it has done, however, is put a renewed rocket under asset prices. From fine art and metropolitan property prices, to bond markets and equities, seemingly everything has gone through the roof."

17:16:40 ben_vulpes: how

17:16:40 ben_vulpes: do people

17:16:40 ben_vulpes: reconcile

17:16:40 ben_vulpes: this shit

17:16:40 ben_vulpes: "it's not inflationary except in how it is"

17:24:59 scoopbot_revived: just another day in sunny cascadia http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/05/26_just-another-day-in-sunny-cascadia.html

17:31:01 danielpbarron: !up ascii_field

17:44:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30629 @ 0.00029973 = 9.1804 BTC [+] {2}

17:45:33 ascii_field: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://wiki.mises.org/wiki/Miscellany:Confession_to_the_F%C3%BChrer << schrödinger's shameful letter. english.

17:46:34 gribble: The operation succeeded.

18:01:27 ascii_field: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://www.vivid.ro/vivid65/pages65/feature65.htm << not entirely unknown in english world

18:02:27 gribble: The operation succeeded.

18:08:09 BingoBoingo: http://fusion.net/story/139703/self-parking-car-accident-no-pedestrian-detection/

18:12:49 trinque: ben_vulpes: I think obedience runs (and mustn't it run) far deeper than reason

18:12:58 trinque: inflation is the govt figure published for inflation

18:13:02 trinque: that's what it *is*

18:14:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33700 @ 0.00029942 = 10.0905 BTC [-]

18:19:27 mircea_popescu: ascii_field o joy!

18:19:30 mircea_popescu: nice find

18:19:53 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes way of lyf.

18:20:27 mircea_popescu: ascii_field .ro is romania >D

18:22:49 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

18:22:54 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: well yes but it sprechens inglisch

18:23:59 mircea_popescu: yeh

18:38:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17042 @ 0.00029942 = 5.1027 BTC [-]

18:40:11 trinque: hm #bitcoin-assets (or really freenode) just told me I'm not an op of #b-a

18:40:55 trinque: don't believe I performed any operations which would require that...

18:42:27 jurov: https://blocksizedebate.com/ perhaps someone with hn account can lure him here

18:44:03 jurov: and what he pulled the predictions from

18:44:08 ascii_field: 'futarchy' ?!

18:44:11 ascii_field: http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2009/05/futarchy-considered-retarded.html << obligatory mr mold !

18:46:33 jurov: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Policy_Analysis_Market lol what a gem

18:50:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33952 @ 0.0002999 = 10.1822 BTC [+]

18:53:17 jurov: "One such market, Intrade, had previously offered futures on events such as the capture of Osama bin Laden, the U.S. Presidential Election, and the bombing of Iran. As of March 10, 2013 though, all trading had been suspended on Intrade's website due to undisclosed financial irregularities."

18:55:03 jurov: !up BigBitz

18:55:09 jurov: !up ascii_field

19:12:26 scoopbot_revived: Former Vault of Satoshi Customers in a Lurch http://qntra.net/2015/05/former-vault-of-satoshi-customers-in-a-lurch/

19:20:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55200 @ 0.00029581 = 16.3287 BTC [-] {2}

19:42:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61400 @ 0.00029976 = 18.4053 BTC [+] {2}

19:49:33 BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field

19:54:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.0002999 = 2.7891 BTC [+]

20:06:53 trinque: jurov: whoever wrote that sounds like a drooling moron

20:07:56 trinque: "prediction markets" ... "not a real-money market" ... *predictions down to the cent on price/node count*

20:08:05 trinque: cent/single-digit

20:08:19 trinque: oh lol, they actually gave decimals for the number of nodes too

20:09:29 ascii_field: ;;later tell mircea_popescu the binary symmetries thing trivially follows from the mirrored 32-bit words. work it out on paper.

20:09:29 gribble: The operation succeeded.

20:10:36 ascii_field: glad somebody other than me noticed. now if only somebody other than me were willing to write the obvious proggy

20:10:47 BingoBoingo: http://i.imgur.com/TFvb1OK.png?1

20:11:47 ascii_field: BingoBoingo: wat

20:12:19 BingoBoingo: Apparently more things are genetic. Today amputations, during the French revolution twas decapitations.

20:14:30 ben_vulpes: > obvious proggy

20:14:35 ben_vulpes: hyu

20:15:50 ascii_field: ben_vulpes: have a cup'o'coffee (or standard dose of whatever your favourite performance-enhancing dope) and you'll see it.

20:16:28 ascii_field: hint: multiplication is commutative.

20:16:54 ben_vulpes: i have to say that i'm having trouble holding the whole keysmashing party in my head

20:17:25 ascii_field: incidentally, the thing mircea_popescu suggested doing in his article, http://fraudsters.com/2015/the-universal-rsa-keys - won't work

20:18:25 ascii_field: or at least, will fail often (when both factors of a modulus appear an even number of times)

20:18:34 Apocalyptic: ascii_field, another trivial thing that follows from the mirroring: every N has 641 and 6700417 as prime factors

20:18:44 ascii_field: but the 'magical' moduli still break into integers small enough to factor trivially on pc

20:18:44 Apocalyptic: why is left as an exercice for the reader

20:19:08 ascii_field: Apocalyptic: i assume you've already worked out the whole thing

20:19:20 ascii_field: and perhaps mircea_popescu also did, but hasn't seen it fit to confess

20:20:34 ben_vulpes: !up ascii_field

20:21:21 Apocalyptic: I guess it depends on what "whole thing" you have in mind

20:21:38 ascii_field: Apocalyptic: proggy which breaks all of the magic moduli on ordinary pc in a few sec.

20:21:48 ascii_field: into demonstrably prime pieces

20:23:43 Apocalyptic: i'm just getting started, do you have built such a thing ?

20:24:34 ascii_field: Apocalyptic: no. but i suspect that one of you already did.

20:25:50 mircea_popescu: ascii_field i dun follow ?

20:28:19 jurov: chan demands ELI5!

20:29:49 ascii_field: you fellas don't like puzzles do ya

20:30:27 mircea_popescu: lmao @ fakeissueweretooretardedtounderstand.com

20:30:38 mircea_popescu: where do these dudes come from srsly.

20:31:29 mircea_popescu: jurov in any case, the dumbass "prediction market" thing has a core of rabid fandom, sort-of like whatever subcultural obscura

20:33:33 ascii_field: actually, folks who specialize in stuffing ballot boxes (or the higher-tech usian variant of this, mass-programming meat-puppets for correct-voting) just -love- 'futarchy'

20:34:02 mircea_popescu: as to the symmetries : http://fraudsters.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/rsa-mystery-one.png for instance doesn't seem like it's 100% bit shifted

20:35:02 mircea_popescu: there are some spots where it breaks down

20:35:02 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: where ?

20:35:02 mircea_popescu: 2nd line 4th bit

20:35:02 mircea_popescu: 59/56

20:35:53 ascii_field: 84 0c 3e 59 84 0c 3e 59

20:36:10 mircea_popescu: 0th error!

20:36:25 mircea_popescu: 5th bit in your universe

20:36:51 ascii_field: 5th bit from bottom of modulus ?

20:37:10 mircea_popescu: hm wtf.

20:38:57 mircea_popescu: well, that 2nd line is all messed up. so first 3 identical, plus 1 on the prev line at end. ok.

20:39:07 ascii_field: ignore the colours

20:39:13 ascii_field: the colourizer is dumb as brick

20:39:21 mircea_popescu: then bits 4-7 different. then bits 8-11 identical

20:39:24 mircea_popescu: but then... mess.

20:39:51 mircea_popescu: i dunno, i just cursorily looked at it and didn't expect on the strength of what i saw to actually have DIVISORS that are 32bitshift-and-add

20:40:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73889 @ 0.00029347 = 21.6842 BTC [-] {2}

20:40:08 ascii_field: appears to follow same pattern as all of them - take each 64 bits, copy bottom 32 over top 32

20:40:16 ascii_field: ad nauseum

20:40:32 mircea_popescu: the divisors ? yes. problem is, if you look at the moduli they don't actually follow that pattern exactly throughout

20:41:03 mircea_popescu: moreover, if they did, the result would have to be a divisor that's more like 1 00000000 1 00000000 1 00000000 1 00000000 1 00000000 1 etc.

20:41:14 mircea_popescu: not a 64 bit number

20:42:04 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo "unclaimed funds would be reduced by 25% per month until there was no balance." << somebody skipped stochastics 101 i take it.

20:43:01 mircea_popescu: ascii_field but be this as it may, the "won't work" part is much more interesting. wjhy wouldn't the pre-salted keys not work ?

20:43:14 ascii_field: won't work ?

20:43:21 mircea_popescu: <ascii_field> incidentally, the thing mircea_popescu suggested doing in his article, http://fraudsters.com/2015/the-universal-rsa-keys - won't work <<

20:44:21 ascii_field: because gcd(prod, x) ends up equal to x

20:44:29 mircea_popescu: right...

20:45:10 mircea_popescu: if it does, you know all those factors are in keys. if it ends up equal to y, y < x... you've excluded some.

20:45:16 mircea_popescu: which will now be popped in future keys.

20:45:29 mircea_popescu: it's just intended as a catchall.

20:48:29 mircea_popescu: an' in other news, http://33.media.tumblr.com/eb2292f8fb4f8799ea98c7055d9fa249/tumblr_mz0eopKK8p1smxk21o1_400.gif

20:51:58 mircea_popescu: !up ascii_field

20:52:51 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/07TZSNW

20:53:52 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: replace the test in your copy of 'litmus' with this.

20:53:52 ascii_field: or not

20:53:52 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/1TNXJDZ << whole thing

20:54:52 ascii_field: probably should have done this from the start

20:55:09 mircea_popescu: i suppose this would be equivalent, if in fact the moduli were uniformly mangled by the shifting.

20:55:15 mircea_popescu: it seems to me still this isn't thecase.

20:55:15 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: seems so

20:56:07 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: ./litmus_new.py litmus_mod_only litmus_mods_mirrored

20:56:12 ascii_field: 98/98 come out.

20:56:25 mircea_popescu: o.O

20:56:53 ascii_field: which is to say, it so happens that all the mods which had bottom 64 bits be a mirror pair (as per my original mods-only litmus) had full shebang.

20:57:20 ascii_field: try it yourself. (addressed to everyone)

20:57:56 mircea_popescu: heh. that's some very reliable accident.

20:58:05 ascii_field: now, exercise for reader

20:58:35 ascii_field: we now know merely that each key has one or more mirrored modulus

20:58:44 ascii_field: but nothing in particular about ones which were -not-.

21:00:10 ascii_field: at any rate, we now have a rigorous definition of the type of integer we are concerned with:

21:00:16 ascii_field: mirrored(n)

21:01:32 ascii_field: though, for rigour's sake, i will add that n is a multiple-of-64 bits-long, and is nonzero

21:10:50 mircea_popescu: ascii_field and you don't see a case where such a modulo would not be detected owing to the happenstance that it shares no factors with other keys ?

21:12:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38000 @ 0.000296 = 11.248 BTC [+] {3}

21:12:55 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: remember how i did litmus

21:12:59 ascii_field: it has nothing to do with phuctor proper

21:13:03 ascii_field: ran on the entire key db

21:13:26 ascii_field: now there could easily be -other- classes of strange

21:13:31 mircea_popescu: that's a point.

21:13:36 ascii_field: but as for mirrored moduli, we have'em all

21:13:48 mircea_popescu: well, sure, there could be all sorts of classes, but there's no call to poke at crabs with a window wiper.

21:13:55 mircea_popescu: i guess that puts it to rest

21:14:33 ascii_field: now write down n as a diophantine equation

21:14:58 mircea_popescu: anyway : mirrored moduli will necessarily have a factor of the form 0x00000001000000000000000100000000000000010000000000000001000000000000000100000000000000010000000000000001000000000000000100000000

21:15:03 mircea_popescu: however long the key is.

21:15:05 ascii_field: aha

21:15:12 ascii_field: there we go

21:15:12 mircea_popescu: which would seem like "a long prime"

21:16:14 ascii_field: and once you've divided by the 'long' turd, what you're left with is small change

21:16:35 ascii_field: factor just as well on '486'.

21:16:56 mircea_popescu: yup

21:17:45 ascii_field: bbbbuttt c0sm1c r4yz !!11!

21:19:01 mircea_popescu: "Of course, we can't understand prediction markets until we understand markets. A market in any two fungible goods, A and B, is any device for discovering the A/B ratio P which equalizes D, the number of people who want to trade P units of A for one unit of B, with S, the number of people who want to trade one unit of B for P units of A."

21:19:11 mircea_popescu: and there he goes, right off into retarded.

21:23:11 mircea_popescu: first off, a market is not a "device". a market is a PLACE. second off, markets exist in unfungible goods - fungibility is not involved. third off, markets exist ONLY with currency, which IS NOT a good. on it goes.

21:24:09 mircea_popescu: the sun's the marketplace for some nucleons trading out energy.

21:26:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51650 @ 0.00028859 = 14.9057 BTC [-] {3}

21:34:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32500 @ 0.0002999 = 9.7468 BTC [+]

21:42:27 danielpbarron: !up hegemoOn

21:42:42 hegemoOn: wanted to share this article http://parasec.net/transmission/order-book-visualisation/

21:43:42 hegemoOn: a "nanex" like study about 4 months trade on bitstamp

21:43:42 hegemoOn: :)

21:43:42 hegemoOn: and bitcoin electronic trading

21:43:42 hegemoOn: thanks danielpbarron for the +v

21:44:38 mircea_popescu: you wrote it ?

21:45:00 hegemoOn: no

21:45:02 hegemoOn: https://twitter.com/nanexllc/status/603303370129047552

21:45:09 hegemoOn: this is the source

21:49:40 mircea_popescu: aha ok

21:50:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89650 @ 0.00028627 = 25.6641 BTC [-] {2}

21:52:04 Apocalyptic: <mircea_popescu> anyway : mirrored moduli will necessarily have a factor of the form 0x00000001000000000000000100000000000000010000000000000001000000000000000100000000000000010000000000000001000000000000000100000000 // how so ?

21:52:27 cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-05-2015#1145602 <<< meh i was rolling down drunk, but being a dad is great fun, just stressful at times

21:52:27 assbot: Logged on 26-05-2015 14:01:21; asciilifeform: btw that cazalla thread would make for great reading alongside of the 'why not have children' thread from during c3

21:53:47 hegemoOn: good night :)

21:57:47 mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic because if you take 84357349875 and make it 883377448877 then it necessarily will be divisible by 837487

21:58:35 mircea_popescu: !up duduqa

21:59:58 mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic 80307040807*

22:02:02 mircea_popescu: and with that i must bid you a very good night.

22:04:40 Apocalyptic: good night

22:16:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71000 @ 0.0002999 = 21.2929 BTC [+]

22:38:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72462 @ 0.00028611 = 20.7321 BTC [-] {2}

22:50:48 Adlai: ;;gettrust moarrr

22:50:48 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask moarrr!6d91fcbf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.145.252.191. Trust relationship from user Adlai to user moarrr: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=Adlai&dest=moarrr | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=moarrr | Rated since: Mon Apr 8 10:32:15 2013

22:50:54 Apocalyptic: myeah but this is in base 10 and you're using the fact that it's divisible by 11 which is 10^1+1 because you mirror only 1 digit-base here, it's exactly analogous to my " every N has 641 and 6700417 as prime factors" earlier claim since notice that 641*6700417 = 2^32 + 1, which corresponds to a 32-bit mirror window length

22:51:44 Adlai: http://pastebin.com/PfAnpwU5

22:54:56 Apocalyptic: ;;later tell mircea_popescu maybe i'm misunderstanding something simple but you could give such a factor for 0xffaaccddffaaccdd3c4b7ff83c4b7ff8 , it's a random 128 bit number constructed as the moduli in question, ( and 0x1000000000000000100000000 does not divide it)

22:54:56 gribble: The operation succeeded.

23:19:22 williamdunne: Hello all, thought I'd help beef up the logs. Been looking hollow last couple of days!

23:20:18 *: Adlai slaps williamdunne around a bit with a large trout

23:20:58 *: williamdunne force feeds Adlai three kippers

23:22:37 Adlai: have you come around on the blocksize yet?

23:22:48 Adlai: iirc, you thought it needed enlargenizing

23:23:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21600 @ 0.00029965 = 6.4724 BTC [+]

23:23:23 williamdunne: Not quite, I still think at some point it will need to be bigger. Just not Gavin-sized

23:23:29 williamdunne: And not soon, either

23:23:32 Adlai: why would it ever need to be bigger?

23:24:01 williamdunne: 7tx/s doesn't seem enough even for small amounts of utility with summin like lightening on top

23:24:06 Adlai: it works equally well/poorly at 1mb and 2mb

23:24:06 williamdunne: *3

23:24:21 williamdunne: Well, its just a matter of volume isn't it

23:24:34 Adlai: i guess a better question is "what does 'not Gavin-sized' mean"

23:24:50 Adlai: smaller? larger? dynamiker? polymorfic?

23:26:12 williamdunne: Gavin-sized is the 50% increase every fuckknows for so many years starting at 20mb

23:26:37 williamdunne: With the goal being sticking everything in the blockchain

23:26:55 williamdunne: I think fluffypony's Monero's way of doing it is pretty interesting tho

23:27:02 williamdunne: But y'know, an experiment

23:28:16 Adlai: for logs' sake, how does fluffypony do it in lolero?

23:28:47 mats: fun fact: Google has the full source to Flash

23:29:03 Adlai: you do too, it's just been preprocessed :)

23:29:11 williamdunne: Mining constantly incentivized by permanent sub 1% inflation, and a dynamic block size which allows something like the median block size of past week +20%

23:29:27 williamdunne: Which of course can go up or down as demand changes

23:29:52 williamdunne: And there is a proposal to automatically reset historical blockchain every x days/months/years to resolve transaction size issue

23:29:59 Adlai: permanent inflation ^_^

23:30:02 williamdunne: Well

23:30:05 williamdunne: Y'know what I mean

23:30:19 williamdunne: Constant issuance rather than a hard ceiling like we have in bitcoin

23:30:20 Adlai: cursory glance confirms that monero has permanent disinflation

23:30:42 Adlai: kinda like qntra!

23:31:06 Adlai: and i don't even have to spam my qntra pushes across the entire userbase

23:31:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 142450 @ 0.00028853 = 41.1011 BTC [-] {3}

23:31:30 williamdunne: Scoop does that for you

23:31:42 williamdunne: But yeah, kinda like Qntra shares

23:32:32 Adlai: trouble is, there'll come a day when bitcoin inflation is lower than monflation

23:32:41 mats: fun fact: nasdaq runs the investor relations portals for most of the fortune 500 companies, on adobe coldfusion

23:33:14 Adlai: wait, the f500 are treated by nasdaq as *investors*? ^_^

23:33:22 mats: this thing runs as SYSTEM by default, written in java, and the code was stolen some time ago

23:33:52 williamdunne: <3

23:33:58 BingoBoingo: mats: Does anyone other than "Finance" and "Higher Education" really use coldfusion?

23:34:40 williamdunne: Jeremy Allaire would be proud

23:35:45 mats: ive noticed a lot of municipalities using it

23:37:32 williamdunne: Just read my first bit of ColdFusion, how does anyone write something more complex than Hello World! in it?

23:37:37 mats: a surprisingly large number of folks run java EE and .NET application servers

23:38:55 mats: NIST did, for example

23:38:59 mats: http://www.infosecurity-magazine.com/news/nists-national-vulnerability-database-vulnerable/

23:39:59 *: BingoBoingo imagines what happened was Adobe was giving schools Phree Dreamweaver for classes, and they just ran with it all the way

23:39:59 *: williamdunne shudders

23:40:00 williamdunne: Then again, I began using DreamWeaver (mx?) when I was like 6-7

23:42:35 mats: fun fact: there is a particular ACPI table in that you can put anywhere in a low range of memory during boot, and Windows will take the payload data, drop it as an EXE, and run it as SYSTEM.

23:44:32 williamdunne: Security ++

23:45:14 *: mats returns to studying ios jailbreaks

23:45:34 williamdunne: Its a shame you can't !down IRL

23:45:41 williamdunne: "The UK government should apply the same regulation and identification requirements to bitcoin wallets as it does to bank accounts, Accenture has advised."

23:59:29 asciilifeform: !s whip the sea

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