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00:13:58 asciilifeform: https://code.google.com/p/go/issues/detail?id=7241 << lulzy bug

00:14:00 assbot: Issue 7241 - go - /openpgp/armor: armored output differs from gpg or sks armored output - The Go Programming Language - Google Project Hosting ... ( http://bit.ly/1GvmVpz )

00:14:02 BingoBoingo: Oh great the Storm/AirRaid sirens are firing

00:14:19 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: duck&cover! (tm) (r)

00:14:28 BingoBoingo: And I'm going to be disappoint again that it is just a storm and not a Raid

00:15:07 asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKqXu-5jw60 << obligatory

00:15:08 assbot: Duck And Cover (1951) Bert The Turtle Civil Defense Film - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1GvnbF1 )

00:19:34 *: BingoBoingo going to smoke outside and watch this bitch roll in

00:20:39 decimation: asciilifeform: " It's certainly possible that some APT has developed the capability to generate keys with colliding 8-byte key IDs on demand.

00:21:29 asciilifeform: decimation: the old 32-bit id (bottom of modulus) you can generate as many as you like right now..

00:21:46 decimation: yeah 32-bits isn't much

00:21:54 asciilifeform: considering that it wasn't even a hash

00:22:23 decimation: heh yeah good point

00:22:53 decimation: only those named 'bob' may pass. what is your name? 'bob'

00:24:31 BingoBoingo: False alarm, it's just Odin

00:25:21 decimation: BingoBoingo: looks like a big storm rolling down the mississippi

00:26:08 BingoBoingo: decimation: Indeed, first raindrops fell. Not much yet other than a constant rumbling of distant thunder and occasional flashes of closer lighning.

00:26:26 BingoBoingo: Interesting textures on the cloud bottoms though.

00:26:37 BingoBoingo: Just a touch of mammary look

00:30:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49600 @ 0.00039588 = 19.6356 BTC [-] {3}

00:35:14 decimation: mammatus clouds are associated with strong storms

00:38:05 BingoBoingo: Eh, strong storms still a disappointment compared to any air raid at all

00:38:33 decimation: asciilifeform: http://allanmcrae.com/2015/06/the-case-of-gcc-5-1-and-the-two-c-abis/ < c++/gcc dumbfuckery

00:38:35 assbot: The Case of GCC-5.1 and the Two C++ ABIs | Allan McRae ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gvsd4o )

00:38:39 cazalla: hey decimation, i made you a moot meets an aussie shitposter meme video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nesSXFIVGG0

00:38:40 assbot: Moot meets an Australian - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1GvsbcT )

00:42:38 decimation: awesome

00:43:23 decimation: lol

00:44:23 decimation: cazalla: is he drinking fosters?

00:44:32 cazalla: yeah looks to be

00:44:58 decimation: ;;ud strewth

00:44:59 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=strewth | strewth. An Australian, or "Aussie", exclaimation, similar to the somewhat more popular "Crikey!" Strewth, that was a hard day, toss me a Fosters mate! by Avatar  ...

00:47:19 decimation: heh I haven't heard that one before

00:50:39 decimation: cazalla: but is it true? do australians shit-post?

00:51:07 decimation: also I think the english are bigger drunkards generally

00:52:40 cazalla: decimation, it's just a racist stereotype afaik

00:52:44 decimation: heh apparently it is a three way tie at 10 L per capita https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_alcohol_consumption_per_capita

00:52:44 assbot: List of countries by alcohol consumption per capita - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1fHDGaD )

00:52:59 cazalla: i think we're #1 for drugs

00:53:42 decimation: POMs are drunkards

00:53:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19400 @ 0.00040783 = 7.9119 BTC [+] {2}

00:54:16 decimation: 10 L is crazy

00:55:35 decimation: I guess that's like 2 L of 4% beer per month

00:56:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53619 @ 0.00041062 = 22.017 BTC [+] {4}

00:57:45 cazalla: decimation, we drink so much they run stupid commercials https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiXvAo6o0HY

00:57:46 assbot: "Kids Absorb Your Drinking"- TV Commercial DrinkWise Australia - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1GvuSLF )

00:57:53 williamdunne: Holy shit that is really 10L of pure alcohol..

00:57:54 williamdunne: wut

00:58:07 decimation: yeah per year

00:58:19 decimation: but on average

00:58:36 decimation: that means alot of people drink nothing and some are drunks

00:59:10 williamdunne: Alcoholics pulling up the average

00:59:44 williamdunne: Oh, its like 500ml of beer a day on average

00:59:47 williamdunne: Guess its not that bad

01:00:55 cazalla: but who has a beer? if ya drinking beer, ya into at least 3 longnecks or a slab mate

01:01:05 decimation: heh yeah

01:01:48 williamdunne: Aye, so like 7 longnecks once a week

01:02:01 williamdunne: or 3/4 twice

01:02:06 williamdunne: Seems pretty sane

01:02:22 williamdunne: Although obviously the outliers will be very un-sane

01:02:25 williamdunne: wow

01:02:26 williamdunne: insane

01:03:27 punkman: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/6293

01:03:28 assbot: incompatible peers not detected/disconnected · Issue #6293 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1fHFsbF )

01:05:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84600 @ 0.0004077 = 34.4914 BTC [-] {2}

01:05:32 asciilifeform: wtf is 'UnattainiumV2:'

01:05:52 punkman: so apparently shitcoins can connect to bitcoind just fine and shit blocks on it

01:06:34 asciilifeform: phoundationd

01:07:25 asciilifeform: ultimately, the matter will be settled using the algo described earlier today by mircea_popescu:

01:08:07 asciilifeform: there will be a place where men 'speak like men,' and another, very different place, where monkeys are free to throw own shit at one another all day long.

01:11:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57122 @ 0.0004112 = 23.4886 BTC [+] {3}

01:11:28 punkman: in the meantime, we have to dodge monkey projectiles

01:12:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57851 @ 0.00041829 = 24.1985 BTC [+] {4}

01:12:42 asciilifeform: it will be interesting to set the 'misbehaviour' triggers for the orphans crud to max once we have a respectably-complete network of therealbitcoin nodes.

01:13:20 punkman: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Common_Vulnerabilities_and_Exposures probably worth going over this list

01:13:22 assbot: Common Vulnerabilities and Exposures - Bitcoin Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1GvwswR )

01:13:33 asciilifeform: i think ben_vulpes had a summary

01:13:54 asciilifeform: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/10/20_a-summary-of-changes-to-bitcoin-since-0321.html

01:13:55 assbot: A summary of changes to Bitcoin since 0.3.21 ... ( http://bit.ly/1GvwtRy )

01:14:15 asciilifeform: not certain if it covers the earlier link entirely

01:15:31 punkman: bunch of them solved by existing snips

01:17:10 asciilifeform: i can barely believe there are still folks using nodes with the alert crap in them

01:36:34 punkman: http://www.miningpool.co.uk/erik-voorhees-on-ben-lawskys-bitcoin-firm-its-the-very-definition-of-crony-capitalism/

01:36:36 assbot: Erik Voorhees Attacks Ben Lawsky’s Bitcoin Firm ... ( http://bit.ly/1KewZYS )

02:00:25 punkman: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3b457y/vp_candidate_in_argentina_a_harvard_econ_phd/

02:00:26 assbot: VP candidate in Argentina (a Harvard econ PhD) appears to promise cryptocurrency as Argentina's money if elected : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1KeAluK )

02:11:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36925 @ 0.00041596 = 15.3593 BTC [-]

02:11:41 BingoBoingo: Oh, look at the pussy storm. All it did was knock out mains power. Didn't even put a branch through the roof like a real storm.

02:13:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30350 @ 0.00040332 = 12.2408 BTC [-]

02:14:59 decimation: asciilifeform: the 'alert' thing is hilarious

02:16:01 decimation: do we know when gavin's key was added?

02:16:21 williamdunne: !s 8ch

02:16:21 assbot: 6 results for '8ch' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=8ch

02:53:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64056 @ 0.00040299 = 25.8139 BTC [-] {2}

02:57:02 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, mod6, jurov: anyone try 'doxygen' proggy for therealbitcoin source ?

02:57:31 asciilifeform: https://dev.visucore.com/bitcoin/doxygen/walletmodel_8h_source.html << example, in use by enemy

02:57:32 assbot: Bitcoin: src/qt/walletmodel.h Source File ... ( http://bit.ly/1e7aGb8 )

02:58:24 asciilifeform: it's a somewhat spiffier incarnation of jurov's thing at http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source

02:58:25 assbot: Satoshi ... ( http://bit.ly/1e7aJE2 )

03:02:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42800 @ 0.00040489 = 17.3293 BTC [+]

03:06:12 asciilifeform: https://eprint.iacr.org/2015/469.pdf << fairly lulzy article. describes method of running arbitrarily many bitcoind on one box, simulated planet.

03:06:15 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1e7bo8m )

03:06:31 punkman: I was just thinking about that

03:06:45 asciilifeform: specifically was done to simulate orphan spam.

03:07:06 asciilifeform: ~6000 sim nodes

03:08:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26900 @ 0.00040808 = 10.9774 BTC [+] {2}

03:08:13 punkman: I'd definitely want better debug/test instrumentation before such experiments

03:09:54 asciilifeform: http://www.cs.umd.edu/~amiller << and before anyone asks, no, i don't know this fella

03:09:56 assbot: Andrew Miller phd@umd ... ( http://bit.ly/1e7bJId )

03:10:11 punkman: "US Naval Research Laboratory" huh

03:10:34 punkman: didn't those guys fund Tor as well?

03:10:34 asciilifeform: punkman: mega-sponsor of just about everything one might think of

03:10:43 asciilifeform: (in u.s. academia)

03:11:25 punkman: http://cs.umd.edu/projects/coinscope/

03:11:26 assbot: Coinscope ... ( http://bit.ly/1e7bWuT )

03:11:33 punkman: no code though

03:12:00 asciilifeform: was looking for precisely the code

03:12:03 asciilifeform: found - nothing

03:12:04 asciilifeform: typical.

03:12:05 punkman: https://github.com/shadow/shadow-plugin-bitcoin

03:12:06 assbot: shadow/shadow-plugin-bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1e7c1yA )

03:12:07 punkman: here it is

03:12:12 asciilifeform: aha

03:13:30 asciilifeform: http://cs.umd.edu/projects/coinscope/coinscope.pdf << somewhat interesting

03:13:33 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1e7c8dH )

03:14:31 decimation: asciilifeform: amusing, they just run all the instances one at a time

03:15:02 decimation: navy research lab is a usg funding-hole

03:15:17 asciilifeform: big one

03:16:37 decimation: on the surface, it would seem logical to run 6000 threads in parallel

03:17:07 decimation: but that would be a nightmare of c-machine trickery

03:17:58 punkman: "AddressProbe is able to map the entire connectable Bitcoin network within minutes" interesting

03:18:20 asciilifeform: grantsmanship.

03:18:31 asciilifeform: but not an entirely bad experimental design

03:19:38 decimation: probably would be more effective to use usg's cash to buy 6000 pogos

03:19:54 decimation: probably cheaper than a week of contractor salary

03:20:13 asciilifeform: it is not clear that there were ever 6000 pogos..

03:20:16 decimation: heh

03:27:58 BingoBoingo: Mega-LOL Nearly a pound and a half, small-bore, single-shot, advertised for personal defense http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/7-GPAR1BLK

03:28:00 assbot: Heizer Defense Pocket AR Break Action Single Shot Pistol .223 Remington 3.87" Barrel One Round Capacity Stainless Steel Barrel/Frame Matte Black Finish PAR1BLK ... ( http://bit.ly/1e7duoK )

03:28:21 BingoBoingo: Also nearly $400

03:29:24 BingoBoingo: !up DanyAlos

03:29:53 DanyAlos: Thanx

03:31:27 DanyAlos: Just visiting to see what are you guys talking about.

03:31:38 DanyAlos: It is always interesting

03:33:01 mats: we do our best

03:35:10 BingoBoingo: We also try to impress the passerbys

03:35:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22150 @ 0.00040284 = 8.9229 BTC [-]

03:35:55 DanyAlos: Last time I was around talking about Blocksize limit. I really had fun.

03:37:03 BingoBoingo: Well feel free to stop by. Are you registered with assbot to self voice when you get the itch?

03:38:14 DanyAlos: I am registered with assbot but I am not sure if I can voice myself.

03:38:25 BingoBoingo: !gettrust DanyAlos

03:38:26 assbot: Trust relationship from user BingoBoingo to user DanyAlos: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=BingoBoingo&to=DanyAlos | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/DanyAlos/

03:38:26 DanyAlos: I think I cannot

03:38:35 BingoBoingo: !gettrust assbot DanyAlos

03:38:36 assbot: Trust relationship from user assbot to user DanyAlos: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=assbot&to=DanyAlos | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/DanyAlos/

03:38:57 BingoBoingo: !rate DanyAlos 1 new blood for the blood god

03:38:57 assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/8a77f6ad32fc33ae

03:40:29 DanyAlos: So kind of you!

03:40:34 DanyAlos: Thanxs

03:40:42 BingoBoingo: !v assbot:BingoBoingo.rate.DanyAlos.1:b64cd11f26b5f77e3811b5519bd939ab913ea47b0465d52cd303c5ccacd79891

03:40:42 assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for DanyAlos with note: new blood for the blood god

03:40:51 BingoBoingo: K, now you can self voice

03:41:23 punkman: I read the coinscope paper, not bad. even has some pseudocode at the end.

03:48:42 DanyAlos: BingoBoingo, Thank you. I will be back tomorrow. It is late here. Got to go.

03:52:12 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: that little pistol is for what, using one's last round for self ?

03:52:33 asciilifeform: can't see what else it could be good for

03:52:47 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I guess??? For self I'd want something with a little more diameter...

03:52:51 mats: he's a crack shot

03:53:05 mats: will put in the enemy's eye

03:53:08 BingoBoingo: I honestly can't imagine a use for that thing

03:53:45 BingoBoingo: mats: For actual crack shot here is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baikal_MCM

03:53:45 assbot: MCM pistol - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1e7fqh2 )

03:54:14 BingoBoingo: And for 31337 crack shot there is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baikal_IZH-46M

03:54:15 assbot: Baikal IZH-46M - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1e7fugO )

03:55:46 mats: cute

03:56:16 BingoBoingo: But the .223 abomination thing isn't even competitionable.

03:56:17 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: iirc my father competed with the 'mcm'

03:56:34 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It's deinitely on my want list

03:59:11 asciilifeform: http://www.cs.umd.edu/~elaine/teaching/cryptocurrency/cryptocurrency.html << '20% Ethereum project'

03:59:12 assbot: CMSC 818I: Science of Crypto-Currency ... ( http://bit.ly/1e7fNbx )

03:59:16 *: asciilifeform ashamed of his degree

03:59:41 mats: i have yet to perfect my hip firing technique

03:59:45 *: BingoBoingo doesn't know many honest people not disappointed with degree

04:00:54 asciilifeform: back to the little pistol - i often wonder what is the shortest barrel that's still good for 'last round you save for yourself'

04:04:18 BingoBoingo: Probably depends on what comes out of barrel. .22 rimfire prolly needs a longer barrel than .50 BMG

04:05:34 cazalla: it's a ladies gun isn't it? sorta like a derringer

04:05:58 asciilifeform: http://en.shram.kiev.ua/work/ekzoticheskie-patroni.shtml << small arms oddities

04:06:00 assbot: Exotic ammunition www.shram.kiev.ua ... ( http://bit.ly/1KeKCr0 )

04:06:28 asciilifeform: e.g., http://en.shram.kiev.ua/img/work/ekzoticheskie-patroni/wpid_je3gc13pxc_1394451845_resize.jpg

04:06:29 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1KeKEz5 )

04:07:05 BingoBoingo: For last bullet one needs barrel that goes back of the mouth and then up to destroy brainstem. Wider buller likely more forgiving. perhaps .12 gauge deer slug from metal "flare" gun would be ideal if "guide rod" was attached to contact right part of the soft palate

04:07:35 asciilifeform: something like the 'captive bolt' thing used in slaughterhouses would also work

04:07:42 asciilifeform: (gunpowder-actuated piston)

04:07:44 BingoBoingo: cazalla: That break action .223 pistol isn't even a ladies gun. Lacks the aesthetics for that.

04:08:22 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: captive bolt is for the bunker to pass around after the last selfish prick takes own goal

04:08:44 asciilifeform: 'ugh wash that thing will ya'

04:09:02 BingoBoingo: !b 12

04:09:03 assbot: Last 12 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0PAMJTS.txt )

04:10:02 BingoBoingo: mats: What really is the appeal of "hip firing"? is that for target too close for bayonet?

04:10:29 asciilifeform: http://en.shram.kiev.ua/img/work/ekzoticheskie-patroni/olded_1394382635_resize.jpg << win

04:10:30 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1KeKYho )

04:11:14 mats: putting more rounds downrange than other skilled shooter

04:11:40 mats: i would prefer a knife for close in work

04:12:40 cazalla: you guys and your illegal weapons.. call the police if ya meet with trouble

04:13:27 BingoBoingo: cazalla: On the contrary. Not illegal at all here.

04:13:48 asciilifeform: cazalla: in usa, police is where you call to have the sidewalk hosed and corpses removed

04:14:01 cazalla: BingoBoingo, illegal in my country therefore illegal in yours (works for US so why not aus?)

04:14:06 BingoBoingo: cazalla: .50 BMG anti dump truck rifle perfectly fine sport weapon

04:14:27 BingoBoingo: cazalla: Because your most dangerous native fauna is the roos

04:15:14 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> cazalla: in usa, police is where you call to have the sidewalk hosed and corpses removed << In this area they don't hose. Property owner must contract "crime scene cleaner"

04:15:22 asciilifeform: l0l

04:18:10 cazalla: as much hassle as it is shelling and deveining prawns, this tom yum goong is preddy gud

04:18:53 BingoBoingo: Medical services of course though always take the largest portion of the cadaver and bill for their attempts at resurrection

04:21:38 BingoBoingo: http://www.wired.com/2012/07/olympic-gear-firearms/ << lol EU restricts CO2 emissions from airguns!

04:21:39 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1KeLRGJ )

04:26:37 BingoBoingo: Related layering strategy http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=2557

04:26:38 assbot: JL: The Survival Stick ... ( http://bit.ly/1e7idqk )

04:27:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24150 @ 0.000403 = 9.7325 BTC [+]

04:29:14 BingoBoingo: And for mircea_popescu http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=2562

04:29:15 assbot: JL: How Police Protect Gangsters ... ( http://bit.ly/1e7iolu )

04:30:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24953 @ 0.0003989 = 9.9538 BTC [-] {2}

04:36:28 BingoBoingo: MCM pistol, self winding watch, and naptha box lighter seems like a solid trio of possessions for profiling potential Bitcoin holders

04:38:51 mats: i admit that 'hip firing' is a mistake for most people

04:40:02 mats: and in the general case i would prefer a balanced knife over a handgun

04:41:16 BingoBoingo: Well it is a dilemma. At range you want a rifle, and otherwise you jsut don't want to get boned

04:42:53 mats: bring a battle buddy (tm)

04:43:37 punkman: http://www.cs.umd.edu/~elaine/teaching/cryptocurrency/cryptocurrency.html heh

04:43:38 assbot: CMSC 818I: Science of Crypto-Currency ... ( http://bit.ly/1e7jwFR )

04:52:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56600 @ 0.00039879 = 22.5715 BTC [-]

04:55:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33400 @ 0.00039691 = 13.2568 BTC [-] {2}

04:58:51 mircea_popescu: nb.

05:01:07 mircea_popescu: "The Black Guerilla Family was running at least one Maryland Corrections facility, and even had military operatives in Afghanistan bringing home dope. Terrence White, the incarcerated Commander of the gang, impregnated four corrections officers!"

05:01:10 mircea_popescu: o hey, check the guy out

05:01:14 mircea_popescu: it wasn't out of the blue.

05:04:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59350 @ 0.00039441 = 23.4082 BTC [-] {2}

05:05:03 punkman: http://www.infowars.com/black-guerrilla-family-the-bloods-and-the-crips-plan-to-take-out-baltimore-cops/

05:05:04 assbot: » Black Guerrilla Family, the Bloods and the Crips Plan to “Take Out” Baltimore Cops Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind! ... ( http://bit.ly/1e7lqX0 )

05:12:50 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-06-2015#1177026 << ongoing problem, with all the "we made our own coin out of bitcoin and sed/awk"

05:12:50 assbot: Logged on 26-06-2015 01:05:52; punkman: so apparently shitcoins can connect to bitcoind just fine and shit blocks on it

05:13:00 mircea_popescu: how the fuck do you tell them apart ? most are very sloppy too

05:15:04 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-06-2015#1177044 << fucktard thinks that something OTHER THAN THE PESO is the world's least stable currency.

05:15:04 assbot: Logged on 26-06-2015 02:00:25; punkman: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3b457y/vp_candidate_in_argentina_a_harvard_econ_phd/

05:15:09 mircea_popescu: in this, he is a typical argentine.

05:15:19 mircea_popescu: folks around here earnestly believe their country is unlike congo.

05:15:27 mircea_popescu: because they're white, and really that's all there is.

05:16:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23664 @ 0.00039379 = 9.3186 BTC [-]

05:16:35 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-06-2015#1177090 << "provided the entire 'connectable' network is defined as 'that which will allow us to probe'. " splendid wankery.

05:16:35 assbot: Logged on 26-06-2015 03:17:58; punkman: "AddressProbe is able to map the entire connectable Bitcoin network within minutes" interesting

05:16:59 mircea_popescu: also in the same news dollop, "wot allows mapping the entire visible relationship map". derp.

05:17:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23736 @ 0.00039182 = 9.3002 BTC [-]

05:17:33 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> folks around here earnestly believe their country is unlike congo. << Like Roof kid who targeted church because he lacked balls to target crack den or hip hop concert

05:17:54 mircea_popescu: he should have targeted city hall.

05:18:17 mircea_popescu: always shoot the politicians, whenever something goes not to your liking.

05:18:22 mircea_popescu: that's what they're there for.

05:19:04 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-06-2015#1177128 << while screaming "vote or die!"

05:19:04 assbot: Logged on 26-06-2015 03:53:05; mats: will put in the enemy's eye

05:19:08 BingoBoingo: Or make the politicians shit the paperwork, what evs

05:19:52 mircea_popescu: 15% Class participation

05:19:53 mircea_popescu: 20% Ethereum project

05:19:53 mircea_popescu: 15% Reading Critique and Homeworks

05:19:53 mircea_popescu: 50% Final project

05:20:04 mircea_popescu: motherfucker. Elaine Shi and Andrew Miller ftr.

05:20:47 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> always shoot the politicians, whenever something goes not to your liking. << And to be fair Roof kid got a State Senator

05:21:06 BingoBoingo: Purely by chance though.

05:25:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21368 @ 0.000403 = 8.6113 BTC [+]

05:28:29 mats: punkman: reads like a scam

05:29:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 122944 @ 0.00041189 = 50.6394 BTC [+] {3}

05:30:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53900 @ 0.00040773 = 21.9766 BTC [-]

05:37:33 cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-06-2015#1177210 <<< would shooting up a crack den even make the news?

05:37:33 assbot: Logged on 26-06-2015 05:17:33; BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> folks around here earnestly believe their country is unlike congo. << Like Roof kid who targeted church because he lacked balls to target crack den or hip hop concert

05:37:51 BingoBoingo: cazalla: Maybe if he got a high score?

05:39:16 cazalla: church wouldn't be my choice but he might've known it would cause outrage on account of church being somewhat sacrosanct

05:44:36 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: no doxygen, but i did try to run it through a source tree mapper one time

05:45:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73850 @ 0.00041723 = 30.8124 BTC [+] {3}

05:51:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72900 @ 0.00041854 = 30.5116 BTC [+]

05:58:20 mircea_popescu: "As a man, my arsenal is heavier in my room. In my bed is a bowie knife, on the night stand a dagger, by the dresser a late medieval arming sword, at my desk a pair of butterfly swords, by my foot locker a Viking sword and a jobolo wood baton, and by the door to my room a hickory walking stick, a razor sharp daito [ninja sword] and a 14 inch meat hook. I want to emerge from my room with a weapon in each hand, as such a

05:58:20 mircea_popescu: scenario would be triggered by an audible break in or an attack on my housemates?and, for that apocalyptic event, I have my bow and arrows."

05:58:33 mircea_popescu: this guy is going to die accidentally when his bedroom falls on him

06:02:20 BingoBoingo: It sounds like there is a non-zero chance of that.

06:03:49 mircea_popescu: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/01/Wing_Chun_Hybrid_Blade_Style_Butterfly_Swords.JPG << gotta say they're pretty gorgeous

06:03:50 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gw1XqO )

06:06:02 cazalla: such fancy weapons but i'd rather dual machete with 50% crit bonus on offhand

06:07:07 mircea_popescu: dunno. they seem light and overall excellent.

06:10:14 cazalla: well, Australian has +2 to machete so it is an obvious choice

06:12:12 *: BingoBoingo partial to stiff dagger with pointed narrow blade, preferably unseen until removed from ribs

06:12:38 mats: http://bladeswelove.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/IMG_5080.jpg

06:12:41 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1KeWEk0 )

06:13:02 mats: 'karambit'

06:13:23 BingoBoingo: !s fairbairn

06:13:24 assbot: 4 results for 'fairbairn' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=fairbairn

06:13:36 mircea_popescu: lol teh kukri

06:14:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15205 @ 0.00041854 = 6.3639 BTC [+]

06:14:26 cazalla: BingoBoingo, no rambo knife? (knife from part 2)

06:14:54 BingoBoingo: cazalla: Too wide and flat. Dagger is minimal skill tool.

06:15:24 BingoBoingo: Something like a Rambo knife requires awareness of angles and orientation

06:16:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31107 @ 0.00040773 = 12.6833 BTC [-]

06:16:35 punkman: "Terminator was really sent back by John Connor because he could not longer stand reading the code he wrote when he was younger"

06:17:17 BingoBoingo: lol

06:17:17 scoopbot_revived: BitFury and private property in the land of the free. http://www.contravex.com/2015/06/26/bitfury-and-private-property-in-the-land-of-the-free/

06:20:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 141500 @ 0.00039124 = 55.3605 BTC [-] {3}

06:20:48 punkman: mats, what reads like a scam?

06:21:26 mats: 01:05:06 <@assbot> » Black Guerrilla Family, the Bloods and the Crips Plan to “Take Out” Baltimore Cops

06:21:44 mircea_popescu: you only think so because alex jones is pushing it.

06:22:00 punkman: everything on infowars reads like a scam indeed

06:22:27 mats: i would expect these organizations to have been in the game long enough to know to avoid inviting federal bureaucrats to join in the fun

06:22:59 mats: reads like cops scamming feds for grant money.

06:23:56 mircea_popescu: nah, feds would never give money, they'd just move in.

06:25:46 mircea_popescu: and honestly, it's dubious whether feds can actually afford going to battle with a well organised us based clan.

06:26:03 mircea_popescu: whether such exists is another matter, but anyway.

06:26:20 mircea_popescu: iirc the faggots licked them. there's not much lower to go after that.

06:27:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16738 @ 0.00038844 = 6.5017 BTC [-]

06:32:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36400 @ 0.00038807 = 14.1257 BTC [-] {2}

06:33:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20935 @ 0.0003933 = 8.2337 BTC [+]

06:48:00 lobbesbot: New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=7795365644055 (Shell Arkell ; ) || Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=1816771166631 (Shell Arkell ; )

06:48:02 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1eKZkup )

06:49:48 BingoBoingo: Ouch, another german

06:50:30 BingoBoingo: And the alf creation now has the ears of 66 moduli for its necklace

06:54:11 BingoBoingo: NewFlag https://i.imgur.com/2DWXfGR.jpg

06:54:12 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1eL02b6 )

07:14:51 BingoBoingo: Some BUtuchyag grade Fatlogic. Measuring HamPlanets in pounds AND GALLONS, by their own request https://slimgur.com/images/2015/06/26/726940d391d962a57fc6f5f1e83092c4.jpg

07:14:54 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GMPD7F )

07:15:11 mircea_popescu: o hey check that out.

07:15:57 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo thaty's not a bad flag at all. whose is it ?

07:16:47 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Saw it in the reddit tardmines trying to mine lulz. Creator yet unidentified. Apparently reddit OP jacked it from elsewhere to be identified

07:17:18 mircea_popescu: i think you just summed up reddit with that.

07:17:32 mircea_popescu: like a wikipedia for non-text internet content.

07:18:17 mircea_popescu: "identify as an aloe vera" bit was pretty good.

07:19:30 BingoBoingo: It's the new "Fuck You Imma Dragon"

07:19:33 cazalla: 386 lbs holy fuck that water retention

07:19:59 cazalla: "identify as aloe vera" ok nice troll

07:20:00 mircea_popescu: why not camel, i wonder.

07:20:39 BingoBoingo: Because camel humps are fat. The wikipedoium can tell redditors that.

07:21:49 mircea_popescu: but aloe's a vegetable.

07:22:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24942 @ 0.00039855 = 9.9406 BTC [+]

07:22:26 BingoBoingo: But they don't want to be oily butterblobs, they want to be innocent ballons

07:23:43 BingoBoingo: Water weight makes it seem like the doctor's fault for not giving them enough HCTZ and Lasix to piss out their planthood.

07:24:50 mircea_popescu: and in the nightly scare : https://slimgur.com/images/2015/06/26/726940d391d962a57fc6f5f1e83092c4.jpg

07:24:52 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GMQy86 )

07:25:04 mircea_popescu: wrong one. i meant : http://40.media.tumblr.com/2ca11d7f8f10f6745ff7634a274589a6/tumblr_nqb6hjqvA91u3fd9jo1_1280.jpg

07:25:05 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GMQyVE )

07:27:52 HeySteve: still the best site on the internet: http://web.archive.org/web/20120209145349/http://www.fatchicksinpartyhats.com/

07:27:53 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1HkhzRW )

07:30:23 cazalla: that site is really relegated to archive.org ?

07:30:27 HeySteve: not sure why he needs the mantrap in the 1st place... but using cellphone in the bedroom is very bad form

07:30:37 HeySteve: it seems so :(

07:30:53 BingoBoingo: Not Safe For Life: https://slimgur.com/images/2015/06/10/1370727194611.jpg

07:30:54 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GMR7ip )

07:31:46 HeySteve: arrrg that's horrendous

07:31:52 BingoBoingo: Only marginally less bad, but still Not safe for life: https://slimgur.com/image/6wX

07:31:54 assbot: HEaPB - SLiMGUR ... ( http://bit.ly/1GMRcTe )

07:32:05 cazalla: HeySteve, how many bitcoin would it take for you to fuck her? 1? 10? 100? 1000?

07:32:07 HeySteve: it looks like she's made of cancer

07:32:47 HeySteve: don't think I could, without a blindfold and a crate of viagra

07:33:06 cazalla: 10k btc but you gotta lick the pussy

07:33:39 HeySteve: the creature's human-suit is melting

07:35:13 BingoBoingo: It looks like a Staph infection literally tore through its Fupa.

07:35:23 HeySteve: cazalla, not sure that would cover the psychotherapy

07:35:24 mircea_popescu: why the bra ?

07:35:33 mircea_popescu: im sorry, to rephrase. why just one bra ?

07:36:29 cazalla: i still don't grasp how anyone gets that big, really hope it is genetics as they claim

07:37:05 mircea_popescu: it must be liquids.

07:37:09 cazalla: must be some black hole type food that is just super dense with calories

07:37:14 mircea_popescu: soda, beer, icecream, that sort of thing.

07:37:57 BingoBoingo: <HeySteve> cazalla, not sure that would cover the psychotherapy << I'd be more concerned with other medical followup. I looks like it still has active cullulitis infection on its skin after surgical intervention to remove areas of active necrosis.

07:38:04 HeySteve: high fructose corn syrup is the culprit, so I've heard

07:38:38 mircea_popescu: dja mean cellulitis ?

07:38:47 HeySteve: BingoBoingo, don't know what cullulitis infection and afraid to search it

07:39:05 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> dja mean cellulitis ? << Yeah

07:39:25 mircea_popescu: staph fat infection.

07:39:27 HeySteve: but flesh-eating bacteria might be a solution instead of a problem here

07:40:24 BingoBoingo: Or biodiesel. Amoco Green was people!

07:40:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16101 @ 0.00039855 = 6.4171 BTC [+]

07:45:04 BingoBoingo: At this point I'm conviced the only reason the fat hate movement is being suppressed is because USG has officially adopted Obesity as a social control mechanism.

07:53:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40920 @ 0.00040972 = 16.7657 BTC [+] {2}

08:14:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37200 @ 0.00041331 = 15.3751 BTC [+] {2}

08:42:50 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2015/on-the-elaine-shi-and-andrew-miller-scam-ring/ <<< if anyone else feels inclined to voice their concerns re the fraud being perpetuated against umd, please do so, either towards the people there listed or anyone else you think appropriate.

08:42:51 assbot: On the Elaine Shi and Andrew Miller scam ring on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1FEsdNW )

08:49:44 punkman: nice ;)

09:00:42 scoopbot_revived: On the Elaine Shi and Andrew Miller scam ring http://fraudsters.com/2015/on-the-elaine-shi-and-andrew-miller-scam-ring/

09:03:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67900 @ 0.00041733 = 28.3367 BTC [+] {3}

09:21:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32950 @ 0.00041854 = 13.7909 BTC [+]

09:23:53 cazalla: poor elaine shi cannot even redeem herself with a fuck with such an ugly gook face

09:27:42 cazalla: looks like some frenchie lost his head http://rt.com/news/269890-france-attack-industrial-complex/

09:27:43 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1e7AILz )

09:29:15 jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-06-2015#1177055 wow. seems doxygen has improved much since i last used it

09:29:15 assbot: Logged on 26-06-2015 02:57:31; asciilifeform: https://dev.visucore.com/bitcoin/doxygen/walletmodel_8h_source.html << example, in use by enemy

09:35:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10822 @ 0.00041854 = 4.5294 BTC [+] {2}

09:36:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42728 @ 0.00041878 = 17.8936 BTC [+] {3}

09:45:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00041928 = 4.5702 BTC [+] {2}

09:54:54 jurov: http://rt.com/news/236027-madonna-europe-nazi-germany/ RT delivers!

09:54:55 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GN4Up1 )

09:58:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43100 @ 0.00041965 = 18.0869 BTC [+]

10:00:21 jurov: http://rt.com/news/259121-us-bomb-rt-kusturica/ looks like a plan

10:00:22 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1dkqBlG )

10:02:39 jurov: Kusturica believes, “RT will ever more demystify the American Dream and in primetime will reveal the truth hidden for decades from the eyes and hearts of average Americans.”

10:21:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49000 @ 0.00041115 = 20.1464 BTC [-] {2}

10:21:46 jurov: http://qntra.net/qntra.jpg LOL

10:21:47 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1dktinq )

10:22:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15700 @ 0.00040619 = 6.3772 BTC [-]

10:22:43 shinohai: ^ that pic should be used in a bitcoind release

10:27:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32200 @ 0.00040619 = 13.0793 BTC [-]

10:35:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26300 @ 0.00040111 = 10.5492 BTC [-] {2}

10:56:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36300 @ 0.00041377 = 15.0199 BTC [+] {3}

11:14:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41474 @ 0.00042141 = 17.4776 BTC [+] {2}

11:19:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9600 @ 0.00042236 = 4.0547 BTC [+]

11:37:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29051 @ 0.00040641 = 11.8066 BTC [-]

11:56:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13400 @ 0.00040641 = 5.4459 BTC [-]

12:05:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 94900 @ 0.00040639 = 38.5664 BTC [-] {2}

12:14:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 140150 @ 0.00040237 = 56.3922 BTC [-] {2}

12:21:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45600 @ 0.00040064 = 18.2692 BTC [-] {3}

12:27:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34000 @ 0.00039433 = 13.4072 BTC [-] {2}

12:33:18 lobbesbot: New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=133 (Marc Enger ; Marc Enger ; )

12:33:21 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Crgd2e )

12:45:28 punkman: https://chloe.re/2015/06/20/a-month-with-badonions/

12:45:29 assbot: A month with BADONIONS ... ( http://bit.ly/1HkAdJw )

12:50:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32800 @ 0.00040869 = 13.405 BTC [+]

12:51:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24550 @ 0.00039094 = 9.5976 BTC [-]

12:58:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6900 @ 0.00040869 = 2.82 BTC [+]

13:37:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54900 @ 0.00038795 = 21.2985 BTC [-] {5}

13:37:27 lobbesbot: New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=4294967297 (ms@admilon.net ; )

13:37:29 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1IhHg6A )

13:37:30 mats: it flexs

13:46:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25330 @ 0.00039925 = 10.113 BTC [+]

13:54:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38087 @ 0.00039925 = 15.2062 BTC [+]

14:09:22 punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CIbkCQbUAAAm5lz.jpg

14:09:23 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JnHp9P )

14:10:43 punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CIX9ZmFWgAAfH5U.jpg

14:10:44 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JnHxWY )

14:12:18 punkman: !up referredbyloper

14:12:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36150 @ 0.00040381 = 14.5977 BTC [+] {4}

14:18:07 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-06-2015#1177373 << >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=24-06-2015#1173884

14:18:07 assbot: Logged on 26-06-2015 12:45:28; punkman: https://chloe.re/2015/06/20/a-month-with-badonions/

14:18:07 assbot: Logged on 24-06-2015 02:49:18; asciilifeform: https://chloe.re/2015/06/20/a-month-with-badonions << lulzy. but for some reason author did not consider the possibility that isps snort downstream from known tor exits

14:21:42 PeterL: Anybody seen the movie "Horrible bosses 2"? It made me smile when it referenced bitcoin.

14:23:41 asciilifeform: 'Feb 16: 10:30am AVW 4172 !! Guest Lecture by Vitalik Buterin, founder of Ethereum.' << can't believe i missed this lulzfest that happened half hour's walk from my house.

14:24:15 asciilifeform: http://www.cyber.umd.edu/events/cryptocurrency-hotshots << l0l!

14:24:16 assbot: Cryptocurrency Hot-shot Speaker Series - Spring 2015 | Maryland Cybersecurity Center ... ( http://bit.ly/1JnJ4MQ )

14:25:52 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu probably read this speaker list, and understands why the dean of umd will not call the two 'heroes' to the carpet.

14:27:42 decimation: asciilifeform: I've noted an extremely pervasive "any cryptocoin but bitcoin" bias in academia, think tanks, and gov't

14:28:11 decimation: in my opinion it can be solely accounted for by "I wanna print money too"

14:29:09 decimation: ah and he's one of thiel's bois

14:29:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12800 @ 0.00041179 = 5.2709 BTC [+] {2}

14:29:34 decimation: "She is also an advisor to Ripple, one of the most popular cryptocurrencies (currently second to Bitcoin in total cap). "

14:29:38 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: there's always next semester.

14:30:55 asciilifeform: http://fraudsters.com/2015/on-the-elaine-shi-and-andrew-miller-scam-ring/#comment-114626

14:30:56 assbot: On the Elaine Shi and Andrew Miller scam ring on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1RCXh7u )

14:31:09 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: they will have to feature some other scammer next semester

14:31:17 asciilifeform: (who will it be? gavin?)

14:31:32 pete_dushenski: wouldn't that be sweet

14:32:18 asciilifeform: not like there is any shortage of these.

14:32:40 pete_dushenski: mebbe usgbitfury will be there with their lightbulbs

14:32:50 pete_dushenski: or 21 and their comcastboxen

14:33:02 asciilifeform: i bet the ee labs are already providing gratis fab & debug service for those

14:33:50 pete_dushenski: 'masters thesis'

14:34:18 pete_dushenski: ;;later tell thestringpuller hope you like michael jackson http://www.contravex.com/2015/06/25/this-is-it/

14:34:20 assbot: This Is It | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1JnKeYC )

14:34:20 gribble: The operation succeeded.

14:34:20 asciilifeform: with shame i admit that i not only took degree there, but was employed for a spell under the same roof ('umiacs') with these mega-heroes.

14:34:20 decimation: asciilifeform: of course, if they invited someone who actually knew about bitcoin

14:34:36 decimation: the conference would have been about telling uncomfortable truths

14:35:01 decimation: like, why are none of you actually reading the bitcoin code

14:35:31 asciilifeform: these are educated pseudoscientists, not 'tardstalk' denizens

14:35:45 asciilifeform: they know what they're doing.

14:35:59 pete_dushenski: right. they read code, liked what they saw.

14:36:02 decimation: that doesn't mean they know anything about bitcoin

14:36:13 decimation: but I would agree that they know from which master they get their pay

14:36:23 pete_dushenski: thought that, if anything, code needed moar feechures.

14:36:46 decimation: I could imagine a virtuous bitcoin conference

14:36:59 asciilifeform: why would a fly think that meat in the sun 'needs' anything other than some fly eggs ?

14:37:02 decimation: imagine dijsktra giving a talk on the various ways in which bitcoin code is horrifying

14:38:10 decimation: It's depressing that these people are 'paid to think' and are engaging with bitcoin at the level of the average new york times commenter

14:39:49 mircea_popescu: !rated lobbes

14:39:49 assbot: You rated user lobbes on 06-Feb-2015, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: Well... he did teach himself how to view a directory....

14:39:57 mircea_popescu: o.O

14:40:02 shinohai: lol

14:40:46 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-06-2015#1177386 << lol apparently these 'wilder publications' have a bit of a reputation for scamming, see: http://www.patricesarath.com/observations/the-shameful-business-model-of-wilder-publications/

14:40:46 assbot: Logged on 26-06-2015 14:10:43; punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CIX9ZmFWgAAfH5U.jpg

14:40:48 assbot: The shameful business model of Wilder Publications - Author Patrice Sarath ... ( http://bit.ly/1RCZIqI )

14:42:04 mircea_popescu: da fuck is this even.

14:42:36 mircea_popescu: "o, parents should tell their kids all about how a) they're smarter than kant and b) really, it was god not this evolution bs,"

14:43:05 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2015/on-the-elaine-shi-and-andrew-miller-scam-ring/#comment-114627 << what line did they cross? if you read the guest speaker list linked a few lines back, it becomes clear that they are doing the will of His Reptilian Majesty

14:43:06 assbot: On the Elaine Shi and Andrew Miller scam ring on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1RD0oMJ )

14:43:36 mircea_popescu: his reptilian majesty is still lying about its involvement in that particular scam.

14:43:46 mircea_popescu: the line they crossed is that they exposed their master, and yeah they're fucked.

14:44:24 asciilifeform: the thing's a rogue's gallery of buterin, the 'ripple' folks, a 'law prof' devoted to digging up precedent for 'regulating cryptocurrency', etc.

14:44:25 pete_dushenski: "and c) we've progressed so far since then, my little dearest, these words on this page from this kant feller are barely worth the paper they're written on other than for being so adorably archaic"

14:45:13 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so it is. so what of it ?

14:45:25 asciilifeform: the figure of lizardhitler in this affair was never disguised in earnest. he simply wore the traditional kabuki mask, pro forma

14:45:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20516 @ 0.00040606 = 8.3307 BTC [-] {2}

14:45:36 mircea_popescu: you're saying this as if their 0.5.4 has any bearing on anything.

14:46:18 asciilifeform: depends what means 'any bearing'

14:46:38 mircea_popescu: looky, there's very little point in constantly rehashing this particular form of learned helplessness thing you got going. i don't work that way, i never worked that way, it doesn't in any sense work. it can be a quaint curiosity if you wish, a peculiarity of a peculiar gentleman if oyu must. it can never be more than that and it can never have any impact or meaning in the world.

14:47:15 mircea_popescu: one wallace loh is going to be confronted with the particularly unpleasant dilemma of either saying "yeah mp was right, they were usg all along" or else fucking up an assistant.

14:47:25 mircea_popescu: he fucks up assistant profs for breakfast, it's his job.

14:47:50 mircea_popescu: and the rest of the "rogue gallery" will be confronted with the unpleasant dilemma that they're in the trenches, and either continue or get shot or else withdraw and get shot.

14:47:54 mircea_popescu: win win and bang bang all around.

14:48:50 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the only reason the usg-tronic 'department of fucking with bitcoin' is even theoretically of interest is that the machine isn't perfect. has some rust, sand in gears (as discussed, e.g., yesterday, re: mempool etc.) in effect there is a $maxint bounty by hitler for anyone who can demonstrably amplify the hiccups.

14:49:16 mircea_popescu: more imporantly : every bureaucrat, no matter how low ranking, has an identical bureaucrat clone ready to take over, revving in a corner.

14:49:19 asciilifeform: not trying to frame this as a calamity, but as a force of nature

14:49:24 asciilifeform: can the roof keep out the rain ?

14:49:27 mircea_popescu: this is a fact. it's to be used, to hurt THE PEOPLE involved.

14:49:40 mircea_popescu: for all their pretense, they're people. they cry, they hurt, they get hungry and desperate.

14:49:53 mircea_popescu: this is why "no committee". get the names, ruin their lives, let them be replaced.

14:50:06 asciilifeform: why would prof. lysenko here get desperate unless the cheques start bouncing ?

14:50:12 mircea_popescu: we're not at war with the united states government. we're at war with the people making it up. governments don't exist, people do.

14:51:22 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if memory serves, rarely has there been a more effectual bureaucrat than yezhov

14:51:29 mircea_popescu: his fucking pictures started bouncing at some point.

14:51:31 mircea_popescu: how ? why ?

14:52:37 asciilifeform: yezhov's was a complicated matter. in the sense that he wasn't 100% 'pet', showed signs of being willing and able to bite stalin. so had to go.

14:52:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7650 @ 0.0004123 = 3.1541 BTC [+]

14:52:53 mircea_popescu: pff.

14:53:02 asciilifeform: replaced with 'pet' (who, yes, may have pulled a borgia on poor old master. but quietly)

14:54:22 mod6: i generated some quick doxygen stuff... lemme put it up somewhere quick so you can look and see if it's ok.

14:55:20 asciilifeform: mod6: i must confess that i never once actually used 'doxygen' for anything. but saw the page linked yesterday, and it (at least if viewed in graphical www browser) does some nifty things, like unraveling class inheritances

14:55:44 asciilifeform: (though i am not certain if it does so automagically or needs embedded annotations that we lack)

14:57:04 asciilifeform: re: the umd wankatron: i will add a potentially interesting detail:

14:57:28 mircea_popescu: doxygen's a standard pretty much

14:57:30 asciilifeform: it is SOP for course www to remain unchanged until new syllabus is written (if and when the course is read again)

14:57:51 asciilifeform: so that thing may well stay up for a while, and no one ought to be surprised that it features a now-defunct chumpatron

14:58:16 mircea_popescu: it's archived, of course.

14:58:20 asciilifeform: naturally.

14:58:54 asciilifeform: just pointing out that the turtle is not by pure accident the symbol of that university, and life moves very slowly there.

14:59:17 mircea_popescu: it should be spilled milk. why should they be able to "change" ?

14:59:19 mircea_popescu: fuck 'em.

14:59:29 asciilifeform: it will be interesting to see when the linked page vanishes.

14:59:46 *: pete_dushenski smells bitbet prop

15:00:19 mod6: asciilifeform: ahh. ok well take a look at this: http://thebitcoin.foundation/doxygen/v0_5_3_1/index.html

15:00:20 assbot: bitcoin v0.5.3.1-RELEASE: Main Page ... ( http://bit.ly/1RD4Zi6 )

15:00:53 asciilifeform: pretty neat

15:01:11 asciilifeform: esp. in comparison with the turdmeisters' copy, which is so bloated it makes my browser cry

15:01:36 asciilifeform: mod6: if you have time, consider putting up a second copy of this, but loaded with the 'bleeding' version

15:01:40 asciilifeform: (thermonukes, etc.)

15:02:16 mod6: all the way up through the IRC demolition?

15:02:19 asciilifeform: aha

15:02:46 mircea_popescu: in other news, it looks like (fingers crossed) might have seed up today.

15:02:53 asciilifeform: that's the version that i'm considering for public seed box, and it would be helpful to folks reviewing

15:03:04 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: neato!

15:03:06 mod6: asciilifeform: lemme see what i can do.

15:03:13 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that's a mighty fast sync.

15:03:40 *: asciilifeform imagines mircea_popescu syncing his node from pdp11 tape reels

15:04:02 mircea_popescu: lol

15:05:12 mod6: do you want me to add in the { Gentoo Sanity } patches as well?

15:05:25 asciilifeform: aha

15:05:32 mod6: alrighty.

15:05:33 asciilifeform: these work now ?

15:05:44 asciilifeform: as in, can produce static binary ?

15:06:21 mod6: well they work in the context that these files compile without /those/ specific problems (i.e. namespace problems with boost), but we still have the gcc/uclibc issue.

15:06:28 mircea_popescu: ^

15:06:39 asciilifeform: mod6: which issue? where linker barfs ?

15:06:45 mod6: yes. that.

15:06:47 mircea_popescu: poor guy, my heart goes out. "does this work ? " "well it works in the sense it takes the shit out of the soup. puss is sitll there."

15:06:47 asciilifeform: ah

15:07:03 mod6: just compiled it like 20 minutes ago again with my newest gentoo, still barfs.

15:07:15 mod6: /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-gentoo-linux-uclibc/4.8.4/../../../../x86_64-gentoo-linux-uclibc/bin/ld: /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-gentoo-linux-uclibc/4.8.4/../../../libc.a(jmp-unwind.os): relocation R_X86_64_PC32 against undefined symbol `__GI___pthread_cleanup_upto' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC

15:07:20 mod6: same thing.

15:07:39 asciilifeform: mod6: have you tried building a minimal 'hello world' with pthreads under uclibc ?

15:07:43 asciilifeform: see if same thing

15:07:52 mod6: naw, haven't tried yet.

15:08:08 asciilifeform: i'd like to know which uclibc actually supports pthreads

15:08:14 mod6: i'll see if i can get to that here sometime today.

15:08:23 asciilifeform: (because we know that it does. threading is used in a number of proggies which come with 'buildroot')

15:08:42 asciilifeform: iirc

15:08:42 mod6: ah

15:08:56 *: asciilifeform bbl

15:09:29 mircea_popescu: mod6 granted i'm rusty, but why are you making a shared object ?

15:09:36 mircea_popescu: isn't that dynamically linked by definition ?

15:12:44 mod6: i think that's referring to uclibc which is an .so perhaps

15:13:11 mircea_popescu: have you ever tried putting the actual uclibc source in there and trying a full bore static ?

15:13:30 mod6: /lib/libuClibc-

15:13:54 mircea_popescu: my mind boggles that indeed source there present the compile should fail. i mean... copy / paste it in your own project for chryssakes, if ti comes to it, wtf is this.

15:14:36 mod6: yeah, im not really sure.

15:14:56 mod6: im getting to the point of 'out of my depth'

15:15:44 mircea_popescu: i'm not better, tbh.

15:16:58 mod6: i've tried like 3 different versions of gcc, with and without my special gcc patch shoehorned in, 2 different versions of uclibc. not quite sure what to think yet.

15:17:23 mod6: im sure i'll get it figured out.

15:19:05 mod6: here's the error along with the rest of the compilation of the source files from ~30 minutes ago: http://dpaste.com/2CT2N23.txt

15:19:06 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1RD9JEs )

15:19:39 pete_dushenski: mod6: have you posted a foundation 'guide' since 0.0.5 that i'm not seeing on the mailing list ?

15:20:28 pete_dushenski: i was working from 0.0.5 yesterday on debian 7 and all was going well until i had to edit/add 'auth.sh'

15:21:02 pete_dushenski: which is entirely my own thing to figure out, the instructions are clear

15:21:13 mircea_popescu: what's -fPic anyway

15:21:25 pete_dushenski: mod6: just wondering if new 'guide' is available or forthcoming

15:22:38 pete_dushenski: i figure that with all the traffic that the contravex '$20 node' article is receiving of late that it's time to update it with a proper install of 0.5.4

15:23:05 pete_dushenski: might as well take advantage of the extra eyeballs

15:23:27 mircea_popescu: mod6 perhaps something as banal as turning off BUILD_SHARED_LIBS in cmake ? on the grounds that these libraries won't be shared anyway ?

15:25:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6650 @ 0.0004048 = 2.6919 BTC [-] {2}

15:25:22 mod6: <+pete_dushenski> mod6: have you posted a foundation 'guide' since 0.0.5 that i'm not seeing on the mailing list ? << nope. that version should cover everything up through the v0.5.3.1 release.

15:25:37 mod6: But, it's probably just easier to download the tarball yourself and extract.

15:26:04 pete_dushenski: mod6: sounds good. thx !

15:26:09 mod6: Now, for all the patches that have been submitted post-release, you need to apply those patches directly from the mailing list. No guide as of yet.

15:26:42 mod6: There will be an update at somepoint once patches are ratified and a new milestone rolled.

15:27:22 mod6: <+pete_dushenski> i figure that with all the traffic that the contravex '$20 node' article is receiving of late that it's time to update it with a proper install of 0.5.4 << We're not there yet.

15:27:30 mod6: But anyone is welcome to patch on their own.

15:27:51 mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mod6 perhaps something as banal as turning off BUILD_SHARED_LIBS in cmake ? on the grounds that these libraries won't be shared anyway ? << yeah, worth a shot.

15:28:39 pete_dushenski: mod6: mkay. standing by then.

15:31:22 mod6: asciilifeform: I just did the following: extracted v0.5.3.1-RELEASE applied the following patches successfully { dnsseed_snipsnip, kills-integer-retardation, nubs-gentoo-sanity, orphange-thermonuke, orphange-tx-amputation, dns-thermonyukyoolar } but when I added the patch for IRC demo, got the following error:

15:32:26 mod6: http://dpaste.com/3K00CQD.txt

15:32:28 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1RDdiuq )

15:33:10 mod6: anyway, will check back into that in a bit... maybe i did something weird. but i'm pretty sure it was the correct order.

15:37:39 mod6: while trying to figure out how to set "BUILD_SHARED_LIBS=false" or something, i ran into this; www.cmake.org/pipermail/cmake/2006-October/011418.html

15:38:53 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo incidentally, know what the "ex wall street executive" bought "bits of pay" for ?

15:39:04 mircea_popescu: seems to have been a "for free" acquisition, "just pay us our salaries"

15:39:29 mircea_popescu: nfi what "hyperledger" even is or was supposed to be, looks like pure accounting fraud but what do i know

15:39:46 ben_vulpes: "bits of proof"?

15:40:31 mircea_popescu: some derpy start-up thing. cointerra scammers "acquired", except not really.

15:40:54 mircea_popescu: apparently was still somehow owned by the ceo.

15:40:58 ben_vulpes: hm. i was thinking about some java btc thinger.

15:41:07 mircea_popescu: imagine, principals misrepresenting themselves as "CEO"s.

15:42:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62000 @ 0.00038959 = 24.1546 BTC [-] {3}

15:45:12 ben_vulpes: unrelatedly, july looks to be a banner month

15:45:38 mircea_popescu: whassat ?

15:45:59 ben_vulpes: ~7 humans in office at full time

15:47:04 ben_vulpes: and there are like 2 other deals with 2-3 people apiece that have yet to die on me

15:50:32 mircea_popescu: time to get your very own receptionist.

15:53:21 mircea_popescu: "Not all, but close to all the states in the United States, the highest paid public official is the football coach at the flagship state university," says sports economist Allen Sanderson, at the University of Chicago.

15:53:22 mircea_popescu: bwahaha

15:53:25 mircea_popescu: i had no idea.

15:54:01 mircea_popescu: so basically they invented this system where they whore the kids out for free during the one time in their life when they're actually peak shape, for which reason ncaa made 1bn in ad revenue in 2012 to the professional league's 500mn.

15:54:13 mircea_popescu: and since all this extra money exists, it gotta go somewhere, adn well... why not the coach ?

15:54:38 mod6: <+mircea_popescu> what's -fPic anyway << position independant coe: Generated machine code is not dependant on located at a specific memory address to work. for example in the asm a jump can be to relitive address [ jne CURRENT+10 ] as opposed to say [ jne 0xDEADBEEF ]

15:54:51 mod6: s/coe/code

15:55:22 mircea_popescu: hm

15:56:22 mod6: so a shared lib would be able to modfiy/change the addresses as needed to where the lib is loaded into memory.

15:57:55 mod6: ( for the example [ jne CURRENT+10 ] ), and for the non -fPIC code, the compiler will set these to specific memory addresses.

15:58:17 mod6: i.e. ( [ jne 0xdeadbeef ]

15:59:20 mircea_popescu: well, i'm out of my depth as you say, but it seems to me that importing the whole code into your own project and compiling it statically instead of creating shared libraries is the bedrock solution.

15:59:22 mod6: To be clear, shared libs /should/ be using -fPIC. If I understand this correctly.

15:59:27 mircea_popescu: it should yes

16:00:32 mod6: Ah... ok, i think I'm coming to some understanding here. I guess I didn't get that you were saying to compile uclibc /statically/ under our own project just the same as we have say, openssl or boost or bdb?

16:01:42 mircea_popescu: right ?

16:01:44 mircea_popescu: what else to do ?

16:02:01 mod6: yeah, certainly could be something to this.

16:02:39 mod6: I wouldn't have thought that we'd have to include a statically built linker...

16:02:54 mircea_popescu: me either, but again, what's to do ?

16:03:06 mircea_popescu: in any other case this would be a bulbously ugly hack, but here, it actually changes nothing

16:03:16 mircea_popescu: seeing how the pogo will have to run nothing else anyway

16:03:34 mod6: You'd think a linker should be able to produce a statically linked binary, weather itself is dynamcially built or statically built.

16:04:49 mircea_popescu: you'd think many things

16:05:14 mod6: haha. true.

16:05:17 mircea_popescu: on the other hand, bitcoin on pogo seems destined to end up melded in the kernel anyway, so this is just a sooner/higher up the tree merge than we expected.

16:06:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19500 @ 0.00041313 = 8.056 BTC [+] {2}

16:10:54 mats: http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/gay-marriage-and-other-major-rulings-at-the-supreme-court/2015/06/25/ef75a120-1b6d-11e5-bd7f-4611a60dd8e5_story.html

16:10:55 assbot: Supreme Court rules gay couples nationwide have a right to marry - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1IhWo3R )

16:11:47 pete_dushenski: relevant: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-06-2015#1177269

16:11:47 assbot: Logged on 26-06-2015 06:26:20; mircea_popescu: iirc the faggots licked them. there's not much lower to go after that.

16:13:26 mats: https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/R4LRQKzj

16:13:27 assbot: Pastebin | IRCCloud ... ( http://bit.ly/1dlylUE )

16:15:53 jurov: i don't see any point for merging bitcoind to the kernel

16:17:04 jurov: and why you try so hard to have it statically linked?

16:17:13 mircea_popescu: the "kernel" only makes sense as a concept if multiple things are being run. if you can fully specify all the code that will run on the machine, that set of all the code IS the kernel.

16:18:36 mircea_popescu: that's exactly the problem with system-d, in other words.

16:19:30 *: shinohai needs to learn gentoo or something.

16:20:48 decimation: lol read Scalia's dissent

16:21:00 mircea_popescu: yeah, great read. what's it worth ?

16:21:01 decimation: "So it is not of special importance to me what the law says about mar- riage. It is of overwhelming importance, however, who it is that rules me. Today?s decree says that my Ruler, and the Ruler of 320 million Americans coast-to-coast, is a majority of the nine lawyers on the Supreme Court."

16:21:18 decimation: nothing

16:21:34 mircea_popescu: the one time they stole people's money in the 30s, there was some guy dissenting on the supreme court.

16:21:37 mircea_popescu: what of it ?

16:21:46 mircea_popescu: scalia's next step is to burn down the supreme court.

16:21:55 decimation: it's a good point

16:22:20 mircea_popescu: tons of people showed over the years before that same court "your honor i'm terribly sorry i stole and i am not going to do one damned thing about it".

16:22:24 mircea_popescu: now it's his turn.

16:22:34 decimation: "This practice of constitutional revision by an unelected commit- tee of nine, always accompanied (as it is today) by extrav- agant praise of liberty, robs the People of the most im- portant liberty they asserted in the Declaration of Independence and won in the Revolution of 1776: the freedom to govern themselves."

16:22:48 decimation: if he was consistent, he would be leading the next revolution I guess

16:24:52 decimation: "With each decision of ours that takes from the People a question properly left to them?with each decision that is unabash- edly based not on law, but on the ?reasoned judgment? of a bare majority of this Court?we move one step closer to being reminded of our impotence."

16:25:08 decimation: apparently he's reminded of his impotence

16:26:45 mircea_popescu: the us supreme court, along with the entire institutionalised hypocrisy system it represents, has no particular relevancy to the settlement of any point. it'd be about the same to ask them as to ask perez hilton.

16:27:14 decimation: well, that point became clear with the obamacare decision yesterday

16:27:19 mircea_popescu: should probably stick to discerning which fashions are fashionable and which are not, change the verbiage to "that's hot!" etc.

16:27:30 mircea_popescu: maybe revise the uniform to include small dogs.

16:28:09 decimation: actually I think it would be interesting if a state said 'fuck you, we ain't havin gay marriage'

16:29:21 mircea_popescu: that'd be outright secession.

16:29:31 mircea_popescu: it's what it comes down to. "we do not recognise the supreme court"

16:29:36 decimation: this whole thing reminds me of the bicker in the parlements before the french revolution

16:30:52 decimation: mircea_popescu: if you were to ask justice roberts, I"m sure he would say that he needs to 'save obamcare' precisely so that the supreme court 'retains legitimacy'

16:31:02 decimation: but if that's true, what kind of 'legitimacy' would this be?

16:31:27 mircea_popescu: i have no idea what the man would say, and i haven't asked him because i don't give a flying fuck what he thinks

16:31:31 mircea_popescu: on this or any other topic.

16:31:52 decimation: unfortunately, there are millions of people in the us who adopt these fashions as law

16:32:10 mircea_popescu: "(2) The history of marriage is one of both continuity and change.

16:32:11 mircea_popescu: "

16:32:11 mircea_popescu: herp.

16:32:16 mircea_popescu: fgucking unreadable, this crud.

16:32:24 chetty: the ripple effect will be interesting

16:32:28 mircea_popescu: unfortunately for whom and why'd i care.

16:33:34 decimation: ironically scalia himself is reduced to mocking the text too

16:33:50 decimation: "Rights, we are told, can ?rise . . . from a better informed understanding of how constitutional imperatives define a liberty that remains urgent in our own era.?24 (Huh? How can a better informed under- standing of how constitutional imperatives [whatever that means] define [whatever that means] an urgent liberty [never mind], give birth to a right?) "

16:35:31 mircea_popescu: urgent liberty lmao.

16:35:35 mircea_popescu: sounds like someone needed to pee.

16:36:36 mircea_popescu: why does all this crap read exactly alike, like the same uncultured louts wrote it all ? from reddit to gavin's "opinions" to the scotus majority opinion, all written by the same thirty year old hands that never read anything but summaries of summaries and never did anything whatsoever at all ?

16:37:18 mircea_popescu: you can tell what sort of people you're dealing with by the sort of rhetorics they favour. and this sort is pretty sad altogether.

16:37:48 decimation: and the peak of 'libertarian' achievement is to place someone like scalia on the court to old-man rant about what's going wrong

16:38:58 mircea_popescu: he was appointed by reagan if memory serves, and i don't see reagan would think much of your "libertarian achievement"

16:39:07 decimation: no, probably not

16:39:25 decimation: of course, roberts was placed on the court after everyone shouted down bush's idea to place his personal lawyer on the court

16:39:36 decimation: she probably would have made better decisions, not giving much of a fuck about gov't interest

16:39:37 chetty: roberts is one of regans biggest failures

16:39:44 decimation: no roberts was bush

16:40:03 decimation: you are thinking of souter

16:40:14 chetty: oh guess history is starting to run together ... sigh

16:40:19 decimation: nope, souter was bush the father

16:40:25 chetty: ah yes, soute, bah

16:40:33 decimation: kennedy

16:40:42 decimation: he was a reagan appointee

16:41:17 chetty: being on the court surely seems to poison a lot

16:41:42 decimation: I'm sure they get big important visitors every day telling them about the serious consequences of their decisions

16:41:53 decimation: I'm not sure how one would retain contact with reality

16:42:09 chetty: and maybe a little nsa arm twisting

16:42:12 mircea_popescu: by not giving a shit.

16:43:26 decimation: actually scalia threatened the nsa along those lines

16:43:59 decimation: http://www.bloomberg.com/bw/articles/2014-03-24/nsa-spying-case-at-the-supreme-court-ooh-says-scalia

16:44:00 assbot: NSA Spying Case at the Supreme Court? "Ooh," Says Scalia - Businessweek ... ( http://bit.ly/1BSAnYh )

16:44:16 decimation: "Despite his intellectual interest in the application of the Fourth Amendment to the conduct of the NSA, he considers it ?stupid? to assume that the Supreme Court will have the last word on whether contemporary surveillance practices are appropriate. Why? Because the judicial branch is the ?least competent? arm of government to evaluate the effectiveness and need for intrusive electronic spying. ?The Supreme Court doesn?t know diddly,

16:45:26 mats: hm, terror incidents on three continents

16:45:58 mats: Daesh is coming.

16:46:17 mats: http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/26/africa/tunisia-terror-attack

16:46:21 assbot: Terror attacks on 3 continents, including 28 in Tunisia - CNN.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxyWLe )

16:46:21 mats: http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/bomb-strikes-shiite-mosque-kuwait-32044671

16:46:23 assbot: IS Affiliate Hits Shiite Mosque in Kuwait, Killing 25 People - ABC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxyX1N )

16:46:30 mats: http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/26/europe/france-attack

16:46:32 assbot: France terror attack: One beheaded, Hollande says - CNN.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxyY5L )

16:48:33 decimation: people drive cars into buildings all the time

16:50:48 mircea_popescu: lol is the qntra rabbit eating contraband ?

16:52:47 mircea_popescu: <decimation> in my opinion it can be solely accounted for by "I wanna print money too" << more like pure tim swansonism, "why should i have to do what i'm told", but anyways.

16:56:34 mircea_popescu: ;;ud daesh

16:56:35 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Daesh | Sep 24, 2014 ... Fabius argued that since IS is not Islamic and absolutely not a state, he said "... the Arabs call it Daesh..." (from Arabic "to tread upon", ...

16:57:57 mircea_popescu: " She said she is staying about a mile from the main attack scene, but visitors there still took precautions by putting mattresses up against the door to slow any gunmen who might try to barge in."

16:58:18 mircea_popescu: lulzy, the maggots taking measures against the woodpeckers that might be coming in

16:58:24 mircea_popescu: "we put a walnut shell in the way!"

16:58:49 mircea_popescu: must be a pretty fun, exciting and fun vacation for the jwz's in question.

17:01:52 mircea_popescu: The RT network, Kusturica says, is destroying the ?Hollywood-CNN stereotype of the good and bad guys, where blacks, Hispanics, Russians, Serbs are the villains, and white Americans, wherever you look, are OK!?

17:01:53 mircea_popescu: heh.

17:02:58 mircea_popescu: "'Nuclear war our likely future': Russia & China won't accept US hegemony, Reagan official warns" << they are pretty good at the propaganda angle.

17:05:10 mircea_popescu: !up ascii_field

17:06:07 mod6: ascii_field: here's a sample hello-world with pthreads: http://dpaste.com/29G0ZT0.txt

17:06:08 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxD1iH )

17:06:36 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

17:06:42 mod6: nice

17:07:13 mod6: not sure if you caught this:

17:07:21 mod6: <+mod6> ascii_field: here's a sample hello-world with pthreads: http://dpaste.com/29G0ZT0.txt

17:07:22 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxDgtR )

17:07:39 ascii_field: mod6: -lpthread

17:07:41 ascii_field: where is it

17:07:43 mod6: our make file has -lpthread in there.

17:07:51 ascii_field: aha there

17:08:04 ascii_field: hm

17:10:01 mod6: mircea_popescu suggested that we should build uclibc statically itself inside of our bitcoin bundle.

17:10:27 ascii_field: mod6: thing is, at least for pogo, ~whole shebang~ is to be built 'inside bundle'

17:10:29 ascii_field: including own compiler

17:10:35 ascii_field: that's sorta how it works

17:13:25 mod6: so gcc as well then.

17:13:30 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-06-2015#1177542 << there is no 0.5.4 as of yet

17:13:30 assbot: Logged on 26-06-2015 15:22:38; pete_dushenski: i figure that with all the traffic that the contravex '$20 node' article is receiving of late that it's time to update it with a proper install of 0.5.4

17:14:31 mod6: ascii_field: ok, i guess i didn't get that part about gcc/uclibc being in there with openssl/boost/bdb.

17:16:12 mod6: oh, forgot to add in the ldd output for that pthread test: http://dpaste.com/33KYWZ4.txt

17:16:13 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1HkyPsd )

17:16:17 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-06-2015#1177574 << widely known. the one here gets >1M pretax

17:16:17 assbot: Logged on 26-06-2015 15:53:21; mircea_popescu: "Not all, but close to all the states in the United States, the highest paid public official is the football coach at the flagship state university," says sports economist Allen Sanderson, at the University of Chicago.

17:17:01 mircea_popescu: well im not from around there. lulz of all time, rich coaches.

17:17:29 mod6: bread & circuses

17:17:39 ascii_field: ^

17:17:59 ascii_field: (it is also widely known that the sport program at virtually all american universities is cash-negative)

17:18:11 mircea_popescu: how's that work ?

17:18:14 ascii_field: but this function has been outsourced to them, much like writing code for nsa has been

17:18:44 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: it works the same way the english literature department works, just with five extra zeroes on both sides of the balance sheet

17:18:56 mircea_popescu: lol

17:22:01 mod6: ascii_field: oh, i did have an issue patching in that last IRC demo patch.... im gonna try it again, but it complained about net.cpp:ThreadGetMyExternalIP

17:22:12 ascii_field: mod6: try the following sequence:

17:22:18 mod6: (11:31) <+mod6> asciilifeform: I just did the following: extracted v0.5.3.1-RELEASE applied the following patches successfully { dnsseed_snipsnip, kills-integer-retardation, nubs-gentoo-sanity, orphange-thermonuke, orphange-tx-amputation, dns-thermonyukyoolar } but when I added the patch for IRC demo, got the following error:

17:22:23 mod6: (11:32) <+mod6> http://dpaste.com/3K00CQD.txt

17:22:24 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1HkzPg1 )

17:22:35 ascii_field: dnsseed_snipsnip, orphange-thermonuke, orphange-tx-amputation, dns-thermonyukyoolar

17:22:46 mod6: ok, i'll give that a shot here quick.

17:23:01 ascii_field: the two i omitted are small and simple to merge back in when wanted.

17:23:21 ascii_field: they are only needed for the static build system and so i left them out deliberately

17:23:34 ascii_field: thinking that mod6 will roll them up into a 'static fix' patch

17:24:43 mod6: hmm.

17:24:45 mod6: maybe.

17:25:55 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo incidentally, know what the "ex wall street executive" bought "bits of pay" for ? << NO idea about any of these parts yet

17:26:19 mod6: <+ascii_field> dnsseed_snipsnip, orphange-thermonuke, orphange-tx-amputation, dns-thermonyukyoolar << ok, yup, was able to extract v0.5.3.1-RELEASE and apply these four patches without incident.

17:26:26 mircea_popescu: bits of proof not bits of pay.

17:26:29 mircea_popescu: mah bad.

17:26:51 ascii_field: mod6: there we go.

17:27:03 mod6: do you want me to post the doxy for that as well then?

17:27:34 ascii_field: what i suggested was to have two dox pages, one for 'proper release' and one for this.

17:28:03 mod6: ah,ok

17:30:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83800 @ 0.00039801 = 33.3532 BTC [-] {3}

17:31:26 BingoBoingo: Ah

17:35:36 mod6: ok try this out ascii_field: http://thebitcoin.foundation/doxygen/v0_5_3_1-wDNSSnipAndOrphanagePatches/index.html

17:35:37 assbot: bitcoin v0.5.3.1-RELEASE + patches { dnsseed_snipsnip, orphange-thermonuke, orphange-tx-amputation, dns-thermonyukyoolar }: Main Page ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxIPbR )

17:36:00 ascii_field: mod6: irc.cpp is in there

17:36:18 shinohai: the doxygen is slick

17:36:25 mod6: <+ascii_field> dnsseed_snipsnip, orphange-thermonuke, orphange-tx-amputation, dns-thermonyukyoolar << oh, well you didn' say it in here ;)

17:36:30 ascii_field: l0l

17:36:34 mod6: i'll take it down, and add the irc patch

17:36:35 mod6: my bad.

17:36:38 ascii_field: ty mod6

17:37:10 shinohai: I still haven't done the irc patch. I need to stop being lazy

17:37:29 shinohai: !up ascii_field

17:37:55 ascii_field: shinohai: when you apply that patch, please be sure to read the instructions

17:38:12 ascii_field: (bitcoind will need to be told your box's ip)

17:38:27 shinohai: No problem, I don't want to break my sweet node xD

17:39:46 trinque: ascii_field: mod6: would there be any benefit to trying to get an ARM version of this gentoo install going on the pogo?

17:39:50 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-06-2015#1177634 << l0l, guess which country invented 'we had to destroy the village in order to save it' (TM) (R)

17:39:50 assbot: Logged on 26-06-2015 16:30:52; decimation: mircea_popescu: if you were to ask justice roberts, I"m sure he would say that he needs to 'save obamcare' precisely so that the supreme court 'retains legitimacy'

17:39:55 trinque: I'm going to fiddle with my pogo this weekend anyway.

17:39:56 mod6: weird, same problem: dpaste.com/05ZZ443.txt

17:40:37 ascii_field: mod6: dpaste a copy of your net.cpp

17:40:43 mod6: ok

17:41:42 mod6: dpaste.com/0HMWFYN.txt

17:42:31 mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/0N2VFMP << what the fuck is this novel braindamage.

17:42:32 assbot: dpaste: 0N2VFMP ... ( http://bit.ly/1HkDrOV )

17:42:32 mod6: (bbs)

17:42:50 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: we did this here

17:42:51 mircea_popescu: does curl actually ignore the -tsl flag or does the server go bonkos over ssl3 even being available at all or what the fuck is this

17:42:56 mircea_popescu: anbd why should i be debugging it

17:42:59 mircea_popescu: o we did ? what was it ?

17:43:29 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=09-06-2015#1157780

17:43:29 assbot: Logged on 09-06-2015 13:03:57; mircea_popescu: curl: (35) Unknown SSL protocol error in connection to www.blockstream.com:443

17:43:34 ascii_field: and one other time, before, with phuctor

17:43:45 ascii_field: (me trying to pull from sks somewhere)

17:44:15 mircea_popescu: seems that's a different error and no solution was proffered

17:44:19 mircea_popescu: or am i misreading ?

17:44:30 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-05-2015#1123271

17:44:30 assbot: Logged on 06-05-2015 23:40:00; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "OpenSSL: error:14077410:SSL routines:SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO:sslv3 alert handshake failure"

17:45:01 trinque: pogo project deferred or what?

17:45:09 mircea_popescu: ohhh right.

17:45:12 mircea_popescu: damn.

17:45:17 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-05-2015#1123203

17:45:17 assbot: Logged on 06-05-2015 22:20:53; ascii_field: ;;later tell mircea_popescu ERROR: certificate common name “keys.mattrude.com” doesn’t match requested host name “keyserver.mattrude.com” << when fetching fresh sks from dulap

17:45:20 ascii_field: ^ start of thread

17:45:40 ascii_field: trinque: it can't fly until static build with uclibc

17:45:49 trinque: ah k

17:46:17 ascii_field: mod6: please post the net.cpp immediately prior to the failed patch

17:46:28 ascii_field: (i have my own release one)

17:49:17 ascii_field: trinque: the fundamental problem with gentoo on pogo is that pogo is absolute misery to build ~anything~ on

17:49:30 trinque: I've got crossdev set up on the lappy

17:49:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52600 @ 0.00038779 = 20.3978 BTC [-]

17:49:35 ascii_field: then no need for gentoo on pogo

17:49:38 ascii_field: straight to buildroot

17:49:44 trinque: k

17:49:59 decimation: re: football < it's also the case that professional us football uses the college teams as a 'farm system' for talent development, at taxpayer expense

17:50:02 ascii_field: (which is sorta like gentoo but minus all of the 'daily use' building-new-progs-on-the-box scriptage (i.e. 'emerge')

17:50:20 trinque: got it; I'll get more acquainted with that tool this weekend then.

17:50:36 ascii_field: decimation: it's a farm for just about any kind of talent

17:50:37 decimation: trinque: why not try to use the newest gcc to see if that bug is fixed?

17:51:00 decimation: ascii_field: but pro baseball has its own junior farm team system, don't need college

17:51:36 decimation: if you guys need to build gcc as part of the whole package, why does it matter what debian uses

17:51:38 trinque: decimation: so build the latest set of patches using whatever latest gcc?

17:51:45 decimation: yeah, or try it

17:51:54 decimation: it's possible the newest gcc fixes that one issue

17:52:01 trinque: k

17:52:04 decimation: with uclib static linking

17:52:40 decimation: also you need to be careful with the c++ related linking shit

17:52:52 decimation: the newest gcc might come with a newer version of the std c++ libs

17:53:00 decimation: you probably need to force it to work with C++ 03

17:53:29 decimation: since it is fashionable to change c++ every few years

18:08:50 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

18:09:33 ascii_field: http://cryptome.org/2015/06/tsarnaev-1481.pdf << lulzy. ianal, but still had no idea that usa officially had 'total' forfeiture in penal code (i.e., not simply 'items used in connection with the crimes,' but ~everything the schmuck ever touched~)

18:09:35 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxPQcE )

18:10:17 mircea_popescu: sounds novel

18:10:24 ascii_field: doesntit.

18:10:38 ascii_field: cribbed straight from soviet penal code

18:10:47 mircea_popescu: aye

18:10:50 ascii_field: 'конфискация имущества'

18:11:04 mircea_popescu: the things the us will be remembered for are going to be so insulting to the historical usians...

18:11:13 mircea_popescu: almost like the things soviet russia is remembered for

18:11:20 mircea_popescu: or the third reich, for that matter.

18:11:43 ascii_field: 3rd reich 'nervously smokes in the corner' compared to the things 4th reich will be remembered for

18:12:02 ascii_field: (after all, 3rd 'died young and left a decent-looking corpse' - at least will be seen to have, in contrast!)

18:12:47 ascii_field: for starters, 3rd never managed (or even attempted) the feat of turning ~an entire planet~ into its toilet

18:13:45 ascii_field: 3rd ran medical experiments on a few thousand prisoners, 4th - on 300+ million schmucks

18:13:48 ascii_field: could go on.

18:14:55 mircea_popescu: myeah

18:16:23 ascii_field: the total confiscation thing pretty clearly wants to lay a foundation for 'condemned to cokemachine'

18:17:05 mod6: oh i think i know what i missed.

18:17:45 ascii_field: '...pursuant to rule 32.2(b)(3) of the federal rules of criminal procedure, the united states is hereby authorized to seize the forfeitable assets and maintain them in its secure custody and control.'

18:17:52 mod6: the zap patches

18:19:24 ascii_field: the 'not-a-real-journalist-so-forced-to-reveal-sources' case ('iphone 4' case, iirc) pretty much established precedent that 'inquest isn't punishment' iirc

18:19:46 ascii_field: and torture is more or less legal by usg's own rules if you are proclaimed 'terrorist'

18:19:50 ascii_field: so coke machine is not far.

18:20:49 decimation: ascii_field: well so this is criminal forfeiture right?

18:21:17 punkman: http://www.nature.com/news/why-the-devious-defecator-case-is-a-landmark-for-us-genetic-privacy-law-1.17857

18:21:18 assbot: Why the 'devious defecator' case is a landmark for US genetic-privacy law : Nature News & Comment ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxRVp3 )

18:21:23 ascii_field: decimation: aha. what i was getting at is that there will be, in the near future, a very entertaining verdict somewhere,

18:21:41 ascii_field: where 'if he locked it in a safe, u.s. marshals may break the safe. if he locked it in his brain, same'

18:21:47 decimation: ascii_field: note that this is another amusing joke on the magna carta, in its 800th year

18:22:01 ascii_field: 'self-limiting' government is the ultimate joke

18:22:12 trinque: ascii_field: yep, will involve some kind of "cyber terrorism" scenario maybe

18:22:28 decimation: "

18:22:30 decimation: (20) For a trivial offence, a free man shall be fined only in proportion to the degree of his offence, and for a serious offence correspondingly, but not so heavily as to deprive him of his livelihood. In the same way, a merchant shall be spared his merchandise, and a husbandman the implements of his husbandry, if they fall upon the mercy of a royal court. None of these fines shall be imposed except by the assessment on oath of reputa

18:22:57 trinque: ^sounds like fag talk

18:23:00 ascii_field: trinque: not only this, but i also predict specifically that an automated (i.e. robotic, as in 'coke machine') system of interrogation and 'incentivization' will be specifically permitted by u.s. law

18:23:24 trinque: heh, shittier robocop

18:23:29 decimation: peices are already there with road tickets

18:23:31 ascii_field: for simple questions like 'enter brainwallet pw' this requires no heroic tech

18:23:31 trinque: it checks out

18:23:35 decimation: 'justice by mail'

18:24:06 decimation: ascii_field: the move 'elysium' featured this

18:24:13 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=24-06-2015#1174350 << thread, for anyone who missed it

18:24:13 assbot: Logged on 24-06-2015 17:28:42; ascii_field: it will be replaced - question of ~when~, not ~if~ - by something like an oubliette with a vending machine

18:24:20 ascii_field: decimation: i must admit, never saw that film

18:24:21 decimation: matt daemon was grabbed, shook down by police robot

18:24:26 ascii_field: but it's a rather obvious idea imho

18:25:28 trinque: the thing which sways my expectations away from such things is the seeming inevitability of a financial collapse

18:25:44 ascii_field: collapse only changes ~who~ will be placing ~whom~ in the machine

18:25:45 decimation: yeah. Steve Sailer thinks that Neill Blomkamp is pushing 'reactionary' plots into his movies, but dressing them up in such a way as to make them palatable to liber-tards

18:25:49 ascii_field: not whether the machine is built

18:25:58 ascii_field: or whether folks will grunt their last in it

18:26:03 trinque: maybe so

18:26:13 ascii_field: and, imho, doesn't change it very much

18:27:13 trinque: presupposes that the guy put into the machine is using something like bitcoin, doesn't it?

18:27:16 trinque: most wont be

18:27:23 decimation: the plot of the movie is that the us turns into shitty third world, and 'actual people' escape to space stations. the plot has some silly shit about helping out the little people, but I think Blomkamp's real point is "start building the space station today"

18:27:48 ascii_field: trinque: the gedankenexperiment specifically concerns bitcoin or any similar mechanism where answer from the 'patient' is instantly verifiable by machine

18:28:47 trinque: if the proportion of people using bitcoin stays small, I'd more expect holders to find themselves attacked in their own homes at night

18:28:51 ascii_field: decimation: again i have not seen this film, but it appears to have the usual nonsensical proviso that the 'space station' is a physical place which the plebes might hope to overrun and devour

18:29:10 ascii_field: in actual fact, the space station is right here on earth. mircea_popescu, for instance, lives in it

18:29:35 *: trinque will always fantasize about heading a couple million miles any which way

18:29:45 trinque: maybe when I'm 90

18:30:02 decimation: ascii_field: mircea_popescu et al will some day confront someone else who lays claim to their property in some way

18:30:08 decimation: it will be interesting to see the result

18:30:48 ascii_field: trinque: see mircea_popescu's observation about 'money/power' >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=07-04-2015#1090204

18:30:48 assbot: Logged on 07-04-2015 00:10:01; mircea_popescu: just like having a car doesn't alow having gasoline. it's true that often people who have cars also independently have gasoline, but the two are fundamentally unrelated, and there is such a thing as the fool's breakdown, ie, car's outta gas on the side of hte road.

18:31:50 ascii_field: eventually major btc holders will operate in ways similar to the character 'raven' from neal stephenson's 'snow crash'

18:32:00 ascii_field: who went around in a motorcycle with a sidecar containing hbomb

18:32:02 trinque: ascii_field: I see the point; if a fighter jet is not just itself but the entire apparatus which sustains its operation, all the more a space ship/station

18:32:12 ascii_field: trigger tied to a vital signs monitor

18:32:20 ascii_field: (if you're within 10km of his death, you're vapour)

18:32:25 ascii_field: if attempt capture - same

18:33:22 mircea_popescu: decimation how is this not the case today ?

18:33:26 ascii_field: at the low end of things, we can at the very least expect an uptick in popularity of sleeping with a frag grenade under your pillow.

18:34:02 ascii_field: the only solution to this kind of problem is game-theoretical

18:34:12 ascii_field: as in http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=25-06-2015#1175005

18:34:12 assbot: Logged on 25-06-2015 01:52:34; mircea_popescu: oleander blosom sees to it that's the last time YOU're running anywhere.

18:34:16 decimation: mircea_popescu: I don't recall you writing about confrontations with the local authorities over the amount of property owed to them?

18:34:38 mircea_popescu: your original was "someone else".

18:34:55 decimation: as in, 'the state or its agents'

18:35:01 mircea_popescu: there's for instance an open confrontation wit hthe state of new york over who regulates bitcoin

18:35:04 mircea_popescu: it already made a victim

18:35:18 mircea_popescu: that's now trying shamelessly to make ends meet by selling "compliance services"

18:35:44 mircea_popescu: plenty of examples.

18:35:59 ascii_field: is that fella 'making ends meet' or laughing himself to death while stoking his furnace with piles of benjies and coke ?

18:36:26 mircea_popescu: if i'm to ask you, the bug i crushed this moirning is laughing all the way to the toilet, too.

18:36:26 *: ascii_field not personal chum of his, doesn't know

18:36:33 ascii_field: l0l!

18:36:36 mircea_popescu: in that "the argument could be brought"

18:36:47 mircea_popescu: and that "hey, i don't see any dent in the bug population"

18:36:50 mircea_popescu: and so on.

18:37:04 mircea_popescu: but the question was as to any. there's multiple examples of any-es.

18:37:10 ascii_field: well idk, but is lawsky living in a sewage pipe? or a house 50x the size of my hovel, with 'sleep ad libitum' ?

18:37:19 ascii_field: this question at least hypothetically has an answer ?

18:37:20 mircea_popescu: look him up next you're in ny.

18:37:38 mircea_popescu: public servant, lower ranks. he lives in a closet.

18:37:41 mircea_popescu: where does blasio live ?

18:37:44 decimation: my point was the local state, the one who could most ably summon an army to throw in jail

18:38:00 mircea_popescu: there is no such thing as a "local state" however.

18:39:18 decimation: I'm sure someone in buenos aires is sitting in jail

18:39:37 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

18:40:11 mircea_popescu: <ascii_field> 'self-limiting' government is the ultimate joke << the only limit on government is terrorism. the us has it spelled out in the constitution, "since the only limit to government is a well armed, well organized group of domestic terrorists, people should bear arms"

18:40:20 *: ascii_field recalls the b-a jail from voyage. it was a very old-fashioned, respectable-looking thing, at least by soviet standards. i'd not be ashamed to sit in it.

18:40:38 mircea_popescu: the fact that the fat have neglected it doesn't change it. you can similarly neglect to change the oil in your car, this doesn't make the car oil changes "a thing of the past"

18:41:05 ascii_field: ;;google tree of liberty blood

18:41:06 gribble: The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood ...: http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/t/thomasjeff109180.html; The tree of liberty... - Jefferson Quotes & Family Letters - Monticello: http://tjrs.monticello.org/letter/100; American Creation: Jefferson's "Tree of Liberty" Quote in Context: http://americancreation.blogspot.com/2009/08/jeffersons- (1 more message)

18:41:24 ascii_field: ^ sound bite known to probably everyone who speaks engl.

18:41:52 mircea_popescu: decimation on the jail it is spelled out "Para qui?n hicieron la carcel? Si el rico nunca entra y el pobre nunca sale."

18:42:01 ascii_field: aha

18:42:12 ascii_field: though iirc this was a graffiti by the reds ?

18:42:23 mircea_popescu: this is a country whose president had a prosecutor assasinated earlier this year.

18:42:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [BTR] 4000 @ 0.00111 = 4.44 BTC

18:42:32 mircea_popescu: local government indeed.

18:43:18 decimation: amusingly, it seems usians take government far more seriously

18:43:27 decimation: while simultaneously complaining of its overreach

18:43:48 mircea_popescu: <ascii_field> or whether folks will grunt their last in it << i am broadly unconvinced by your theory. there aren't equal sides confronting each other here. i, for one, could not care less for any secrets usg-tard thinks he has.

18:43:53 mircea_popescu: welcome to take them to the grave, in silence.

18:44:33 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: what i meant was that i predict btc extraction to become a standard part of execution

18:44:33 mircea_popescu: decimation the only reason the usg is its in present shape is the herd of bloviating hamplanets. nothing else.

18:44:37 ascii_field: regardless of who/whom

18:44:41 mircea_popescu: i don't.

18:45:13 ascii_field: curious, why not?

18:45:41 ascii_field: for instance, picture that you've caught herr karpeles

18:45:42 mircea_popescu: the morally responsible is jwz, not bush not anyone else. yes the president is getting beheaded, that's how symbolics work. and it is the job and the duty of the politico class to play the goat.

18:45:54 mircea_popescu: nevertheless, the guilty is always jwz. and for the obvious reason, too. "only wanted to X"

18:46:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40600 @ 0.00039811 = 16.1633 BTC [+]

18:46:35 mircea_popescu: ascii_field i am not actually profit motivated. i don't see catching her karpeles as a business, and i am not interested in doing it for a profit.

18:46:53 mircea_popescu: similarly, morning';s bug would have gotten crushed equally had it promised to unveil the Bug Saphire for me.

18:46:56 ascii_field: but if you had. and the contents of his sorry skin meant, say, five extra tank columns

18:46:56 mircea_popescu: i dun care to have the bug saphire.

18:46:58 ascii_field: that could be had

18:47:16 mircea_popescu: the republic lives on deficits anyway.

18:47:24 mircea_popescu: you can have it for his weight in soap.

18:48:29 decimation: !s jwz

18:48:30 assbot: 9 results for 'jwz' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=jwz

18:48:35 decimation: do you me sjw?

18:48:40 ascii_field: stalin, for instance, was not 'profit-motivated' by any measure. but did not refuse to pocket spanish republic's gold reserve.

18:48:53 ascii_field: (into sov. pocket, not his own. important distinction)

18:49:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71400 @ 0.00041376 = 29.5425 BTC [+] {5}

18:50:12 mircea_popescu: no. i mean jwz. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-03-2015#1043852

18:50:12 assbot: Logged on 06-03-2015 02:23:12; mircea_popescu: http://www.jwz.org/blog/2015/03/google-seems-to-have-broken-email-forwarding/#comment-160814 << sweet innocence.

18:52:33 ascii_field: jwz has a very long history of being what he is.

18:52:41 ascii_field: in case anyone didn't know

18:53:27 mircea_popescu: what, a symbol for the unthinking fat ?

18:54:04 mircea_popescu: it's basically what this is, neoteny of poor eating habits. "i wanna eat just the cream" "it's unhealthy" "nevertheless"

18:54:12 shinohai: nice > "Para quién hicieron la carcel? Si el rico nunca entra y el pobre nunca sale."

18:54:12 ascii_field: as a remora

18:54:16 ascii_field: sorta like eric raymond

18:54:41 ascii_field: fella who is ~really good~ at attaching himself to the backs of 'happening' things

18:54:44 decimation: I thought jwz gave up on 'tech' and opened nightclub

18:54:53 ascii_field: i'm half-surprised he hasn't turned up 'in bitcoin'

18:54:59 mircea_popescu: apparently you can never get out of the fucking digital mafia.

18:55:33 decimation: about 99% of people 'in tech' carry his attitdue

18:55:49 decimation: "we don't need to worry about politics, just do what must be done" ,etc

18:55:58 mircea_popescu: everyone in the states does this

18:56:03 ascii_field: decimation: yes, there aren't many who'd refuse going back in time to be butt-buddies with andreessen

18:56:03 mircea_popescu: then they look at isis as "inexplicable"

18:56:14 ascii_field: (not gavin, but marc)

18:56:27 mircea_popescu: and putin doesn't understand how the world works, and so on.

18:57:04 decimation: well, entire generations were raised under the assumption that the us is in an overwhelming position of power w.r.t. the world

18:57:10 mircea_popescu: this is what memory hole effect is, too. "but they told me when i was five that it's ok to only turn my brain on if i hear a certain magic word"

18:57:14 mircea_popescu: ya baby. totally.

18:57:33 decimation: ^ also because those generations were raised by usg

18:57:37 mircea_popescu: alf is worried about connected machinery behaving strangely if it gets magic packet

18:57:46 mircea_popescu: meanwhile the citizenry behaves strangely if it DOESNT get it.

18:58:01 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: in popular parlance, this is called 'fnord' iirc

18:58:08 ascii_field: although with a flipped sign bit

18:58:32 ascii_field: (iirc term came from same tale as the original lizardhitler)

18:58:35 mircea_popescu: dronf ?

18:58:44 ascii_field: l0l

18:59:05 mircea_popescu: as in "then the drones kept derping and dronfing about who knows what"

19:00:03 ascii_field: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamie_Zawinski << pediwik has surprisingly minimally-sycophantic sum-up of jwz's life and times

19:00:04 assbot: Jamie Zawinski - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hl7h3V )

19:00:14 decimation: he probably edited it

19:00:30 mircea_popescu: who was the other accidental windfall victim who actually WAS into bitcoin ?

19:00:43 mircea_popescu: dude sold some bullshit news service to a bullshit media corp (yahoo maybe ?) for a billion

19:00:52 mircea_popescu: and kept losing money off of it like a gas giant

19:01:17 mod6: ok ascii_field: http://thebitcoin.foundation/doxygen/v0_5_3_1-wPatchesApplied/index.html

19:01:18 assbot: bitcoin v0.5.3.1-RELEASE + patches { http://thebitcoin.foundation/doxygen/v0_5_3_1-wPatchesApplied/v0531-wPatchesApplied.txt }: Main Page ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hl7mEU )

19:01:40 ascii_field: mod6: neato!

19:02:03 mod6: it's a goof-ball way to put in all the patches applied, but that link show's all the patches and how I applied them.

19:02:15 mod6: *shows

19:02:25 ascii_field: wai wat

19:02:31 ascii_field: it has highlighting of patches ?

19:02:32 ascii_field: where ?

19:02:37 mod6: no no

19:03:21 mod6: so at the top of the screen it says "bitcoin v0.5.3.1-RELEASE + patches { http://thebitcoin.foundation/doxygen/v0_5_3_1-wPatchesApplied/v0531-wPatchesApplied.txt }

19:03:21 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hl7qnY )

19:03:25 ascii_field: ah

19:03:46 mod6: that link in there shows which patches were used, and how they are applied. couldn't find a better way to do this at the moment.

19:03:58 ascii_field: looking for the graphical class inheritance charts the enemy www had

19:04:08 ascii_field: i can only guess those were produced via some other means ?

19:04:12 mod6: i think i've seen it, one sec.

19:05:23 ascii_field: btw, here's an idea for later, abolition of the remaining wxisms, e.g., http://thebitcoin.foundation/doxygen/v0_5_3_1-wPatchesApplied/noui_8h.html#a19035390d489756989573cfa572bbde7

19:05:24 assbot: bitcoin v0.5.3.1-RELEASE + patches { http://thebitcoin.foundation/doxygen/v0_5_3_1-wPatchesApplied/v0531-wPatchesApplied.txt }: bitcoin/src/noui.h File Reference ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hl7vIp )

19:05:33 ascii_field: yes, after the thing runs

19:05:36 ascii_field: (as mircea_popescu will remind us)

19:05:54 ascii_field: but that crud clutters up the source and makes my eyes bleed.

19:06:22 mod6: yeah, i don't like that either.

19:06:28 mircea_popescu: indeed removal of all crud is a beloved goal, and how this adventure even begun if you recall

19:06:33 ascii_field: aha

19:06:34 mircea_popescu: we're trying to save the trees over here.

19:06:37 *: ascii_field remembers very well

19:06:37 mod6: i think it just ends up munging all of the file names and stuff.

19:06:48 *: ascii_field still just wants his fscking b00k!

19:07:00 mircea_popescu: ya somehow i thought you'd remember :D

19:07:07 mircea_popescu: apparently you're not old enough to need books yet

19:07:21 ascii_field: re: wx: it is in fact out, but sits behind a bunch of empty #ifdefs

19:07:29 mod6: so far, all i see are hierarchal graphs for base-classes/types. was trying to find something for CBlock, but I don't as of yet, see a graph.

19:09:18 mod6: like they have: [CBase58Data] <--- [CBitcoinAddress]

19:09:21 mod6: that type of thing.

19:09:47 mod6: if you show me what enemy has via link, maybe i can replicate it?

19:09:49 ascii_field: re: jwz: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=11-01-2015#972750 , http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=09-04-2015#1094056

19:09:49 assbot: Logged on 11-01-2015 04:32:13; asciilifeform: 'digerati', as i understand, encompasses a set of peculiarly wealthy ('dotcom boom', normally, but often barnacled to this or that mega-corp success of some vaguely computerized sort 1980-2000)

19:09:49 assbot: Logged on 09-04-2015 20:03:03; ascii_field: i mentioned him at least once as specifically an example of a particularly vile species sometimes called 'digerati'

19:09:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12050 @ 0.00041747 = 5.0305 BTC [+]

19:09:59 mod6: !up ascii_field

19:10:30 ascii_field: mod6: https://dev.visucore.com/bitcoin/doxygen/namespace_checkpoints.html << example

19:10:42 mod6: ok thanks.

19:10:46 ascii_field: the caller graphs

19:10:49 ascii_field: specifically

19:11:15 mod6: btw, do you like that tree on the left pane? i added that, can remove.

19:11:48 mod6: oh ok, i see what you mean... yeah, i can try to get it to work on this side too.

19:12:09 ascii_field: the tree is useful

19:12:43 mod6: i kinda thought so too

19:13:37 mod6: oh i found it. CALL_GRAPH and CALLER_GRAPH were set to "NO" in the config file.

19:13:40 mod6: lemme regenerate both.

19:16:26 mircea_popescu: ascii_field yep node is actually starting up. will undergo some testing.

19:18:26 ascii_field: neat!

19:19:08 shinohai: https://i.imgur.com/ksIVhJs.jpg

19:19:08 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hl8oAB )

19:19:26 trinque: butt's shooped

19:19:40 shinohai: sad

19:19:46 mod6: huh, maybe those didn't do the trick...

19:19:50 mircea_popescu: http://33.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6z4ejKXO01qktnjdo1_500.gif better.

19:19:50 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hl8rwj )

19:19:50 *: mod6 keeps digging.

19:21:30 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: and, in case anyone forgot that bitcoind was written by the diagnosably retarded, we get to choose between syncing exclusively from mircea_popescu's node ('-connect' mode) and getting to serve blocks to anyone

19:21:35 ascii_field: that is, can have one but not both

19:21:45 mircea_popescu: i don't see the problem with serving blocks ?

19:21:53 mircea_popescu: oh oh

19:21:56 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: say i want to pull down chain from your node

19:21:57 mircea_popescu: mmmyeah

19:21:59 ascii_field: (would like to)

19:22:07 ascii_field: in the process, my seed doesn't get to seed anyone.

19:22:08 mircea_popescu: yes yes, it's counterintuitively stupid.

19:22:18 ascii_field: it's riotously, enragingly stupid

19:22:40 mircea_popescu: (the production trick to solve this : have two instances running, have them share the files, have one not write)

19:22:49 mircea_popescu: just to get an idea of what stupid yields downstream

19:24:01 ascii_field: if i had to predict, would say this does not work as written - threads do not have deterministic behaviour, and bitcoind is peppered with pointless locks

19:24:20 ascii_field: whole thing is almost optimized for irreproducibility

19:26:56 mod6: ok now im building the graphs, just needed to install graphviz

19:27:56 mod6: there we go

19:28:01 mod6: will post

19:32:29 mod6: lol, this thing is 64Mb gzipped

19:41:15 mod6: lol, so many files it exceeds the abilities of mv & cp...

19:41:18 mod6: !up ascii_field

19:44:34 mod6: ok

19:44:52 mod6: http://thebitcoin.foundation/doxygen/v0_5_3_1-wPatchesApplied/index.html

19:44:52 assbot: bitcoin v0.5.3.1-RELEASE + patches { http://thebitcoin.foundation/doxygen/v0_5_3_1-wPatchesApplied/v0531-wPatchesApplied.txt }: Main Page ... ( http://bit.ly/1HlbmoK )

19:44:52 mircea_popescu: deedbot- http://dpaste.com/271FHF9

19:44:54 assbot: dpaste: 271FHF9 ... ( http://bit.ly/1HlbmoQ )

19:44:54 deedbot-: Bad URL or network outage.

19:45:01 mircea_popescu: deedbot- http://dpaste.com/271FHF9.txt

19:45:02 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1HlbmFt )

19:45:03 deedbot-: accepted: 1

19:45:09 mircea_popescu: ascii_field and anyone else interested ^

19:45:20 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: neato!

19:45:38 mod6: hey thanks mp!

19:45:57 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: i recommend also (assuming you haven't done this ages ago) doing equivalent of disabling debug.log rollover (plug in teletype into that pdp-11...)

19:46:27 mircea_popescu: this, mind, is a mystery meat "mp-brand" bitcoind. iirc it identifies as 6.2

19:46:42 mircea_popescu: it is not the foundation one, which i am going to compile and run once the instructions come out.

19:46:43 ascii_field: well yes. but i am assuming it has some mechanism for keeping log

19:46:46 ascii_field: (if not, ignore)

19:47:13 mats: https://i.imgur.com/MePcKLj.jpg are you ready for the Islamic State Wrestling Federation

19:47:14 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1HlbwMX )

19:47:20 mircea_popescu: ahahahaha wut

19:47:46 mats: *john cena plays in the background*

19:47:58 ascii_field: mats: source ?

19:48:17 mats: not sure. one of my buddies linked it... prob one of the chans if i had to guess

19:50:15 ascii_field: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3133238/ISIS-cage-death-Terror-group-forces-young-boys-wrestle-inside-giant-steel-ring-beats-sticks-train-generation-killers.html

19:50:16 assbot: ISIS forces boys to wrestle as they train to become next generation of killers  | Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1LL3YCN )

19:50:19 ascii_field: ^ possible source

19:51:10 mats: looks right

19:52:00 mats: looks like good training too

19:54:18 scoopbot_revived: OpenBSD Moving sudo to Ports http://qntra.net/2015/06/openbsd-moving-sudo-to-ports/

19:54:18 ascii_field: the ritual described is at least as old as ww2. don't take my word for it, ask orwell >> http://www.telelib.com/authors/O/OrwellGeorge/essay/tribune/AsIPlease19441229.html

19:54:19 assbot: 29 December 1944 - As I Please - George Orwell, Book, etext ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hlcbho )

19:57:30 ascii_field: rezun has a very spiffy nearly book-length description of the ru version

19:58:00 ascii_field: ( http://militera.lib.ru/research/suvorov6/10.html and more )

19:58:01 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1LL5oxc )

19:58:13 mod6: <+mod6> asciilifeform: ahh. ok well take a look at this: http://thebitcoin.foundation/doxygen/v0_5_3_1/index.html << updated with graphs

19:58:14 assbot: bitcoin v0.5.3.1-RELEASE: Main Page ... ( http://bit.ly/1LL5sgx )

19:58:47 ascii_field: mod6: very spiffy

19:59:33 ascii_field: http://thebitcoin.foundation/doxygen/v0_5_3_1/classCAddress.html#ad062e258e0af8a46d0631078147211b1 << good example for folks who had no idea what this thread was about

19:59:34 assbot: bitcoin v0.5.3.1-RELEASE: CAddress Class Reference ... ( http://bit.ly/1LL5Ew4 )

20:00:20 ascii_field: better still,

20:00:21 ascii_field: http://thebitcoin.foundation/doxygen/v0_5_3_1/classCNode.html

20:00:22 assbot: bitcoin v0.5.3.1-RELEASE: CNode Class Reference ... ( http://bit.ly/1LL5QeN )

20:00:26 ascii_field: (the graphic)

20:01:05 mircea_popescu: "As is typical of a C++ program, a lot of code tends to end up in the header files

20:01:08 mircea_popescu: sigh

20:03:28 ascii_field: ~40% of the 'mass' in therealbitcoin is in headers...

20:03:46 mircea_popescu: mmmyeah

20:03:54 mircea_popescu: whjy even bother at this point.

20:03:55 mod6: I wanna link these on the main page website.

20:03:59 mircea_popescu: just \call everything .bas

20:04:03 *: ascii_field just weighed it now

20:04:07 ascii_field: just about 38 sharp.

20:04:42 ascii_field: in other nyooz, http://www.firebox.com/product/7078/Inner-Selfie-Stick?via=hp&s=1x1&t=random

20:04:43 assbot: Inner Selfie Stick - buy at Firebox.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1HlcZ5V )

20:05:14 mats: lol

20:06:06 ascii_field: l0l re: the rebranding of a very ordinary plumber's borescope sold pretty much everywhere

20:14:10 mod6: !up ascii_field

20:21:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47000 @ 0.00041676 = 19.5877 BTC [-] {2}

20:21:51 trinque: ascii_field: read that as firefox at first, thought it was a hell of a pivot for mozilla, lol

20:25:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57450 @ 0.0004184 = 24.0371 BTC [+] {4}

20:30:25 jurov: yes, spiffy, i'm surprised... guess btc. yt will be deprecated

20:32:40 ascii_field: in other news, the 5 repaired rng units pass.

20:32:45 mircea_popescu: o hey.

20:33:22 ascii_field: (the vendor's explanation for why they failed was dpasted here a while ago, but will be reprinted in this month's broadcast.)

20:34:47 ascii_field: jurov: actually we really still need btc.yt thing

20:35:09 ascii_field: 'doxygen' doesn't appear to do the handy 'click this and see ~EVERYWHERE~ it appears' symbol concordance

20:35:15 ascii_field: why it doesn't - i have no idea

20:36:48 mircea_popescu: prolly needs some giggling

20:37:43 mircea_popescu: anyway this looks like it's going to be an epic b-a summer. phuctor delivered, eulora came, nodes are moving, apparently cardano as well,

20:37:56 mircea_popescu: etc etc

20:37:58 ascii_field: the spice must flow. (tm) (r)

20:42:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24100 @ 0.00041764 = 10.0651 BTC [-]

20:43:12 *: trinque decided to work through the mcclim tutorial today

20:43:32 trinque: I'm not at all impressed with the fact that when I asked for an education in CS, I was not presented with this.

20:44:03 trinque: the clarity of purpose, simplicity, sheer elegance of this thing trumps every other environment I've built things in

20:44:40 trinque: seems like an alternate history where the terminal concept developed further

20:44:54 trinque: rather than being replaced with a bunch of consumer friendly skeuomorphic shitware

20:45:19 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

20:46:13 ascii_field: trinque: lisp (and i specifically refer to the accumulated advancements which add up to commonlisp world, rather than the barf of that field's equivalent of 'glbse' - e.g., 'clojure', 'newlisp', other halfwit retardations) handily obsoletes most of what passes for 'problems in computer science' as taught

20:46:16 ascii_field: hence you were not taught.

20:46:43 ascii_field: they'd much rather teach 'usability'

20:47:02 ascii_field: or have you contribute to 'ethereum' for course credit

20:47:07 trinque: sure, and "marketable skills" like java, c++, or c#

20:47:37 ascii_field: at 'respectable' uni they make a show of not teaching as much of ^this as they could 'because this isn't trade school after all'

20:48:08 trinque: I'm on ch3 and I can already bind data to usable UI, selectively update the display, so on

20:48:11 trinque: in what, 15 lines?

20:48:16 mod6: <+ascii_field> in other news, the 5 repaired rng units pass. << nice!

20:48:30 ascii_field: trinque: now imagine if no part of the machine were exempt.

20:48:32 *: trinque shudders to recall how the same thing looks elsewhere

20:48:43 trinque: ascii_field: I can as a novice see the foothills at least

20:48:44 ascii_field: as in, want to put disk controller registers on the screen? go, do

20:48:48 trinque: mhm

20:49:02 trinque: everything expressed as the same kind of data structures

20:49:04 trinque: can sort of see it

20:49:37 mircea_popescu: i was kinda curious when his "Everything is sql" was going to reduce.

20:49:47 trinque: when I found time for this :)

20:49:52 mircea_popescu: lol

20:51:13 trinque: I can see that did not go nearly far enough.

20:51:40 ascii_field: i'll note that lispmachine did not go far enough

20:51:49 ascii_field: in that it was still a von neumann arch

20:51:57 ascii_field: where cpu had to 'hand carry in a basket' from point a to b

20:52:04 trinque: we were sort of bolting postgresql to linux via foreign data wrappers like morons

20:52:12 ascii_field: rather than electrical connection in programmable grid

20:52:15 trinque: denying the underlying system like systemd does

20:52:23 trinque: "pay no attention to the linux behind the curtain"

20:52:45 ascii_field: gabriel_laddel had something in this spirit; i barfed

20:52:55 trinque: I tried to build his, couldn't

20:53:01 trinque: stuff sort of half worked

20:53:07 ascii_field: lucky

20:53:19 ascii_field: because the absolute worst thing that can happen is that this kind of monster ~walks~

20:53:23 ascii_field: i.e. that it 'works'

20:53:28 ascii_field: and folks start using.

20:53:42 ascii_field: and even - shudder - relying on it

20:54:21 trinque: yeah I begin to see why there's no real intermediate step here.

20:54:50 trinque: you end up getting lost taping the underlying thing to the interface forever

20:54:55 ascii_field: i spent the last 5 or so years looking for an intermediate point between here and ic fab

20:55:04 ascii_field: (so far did not find)

20:55:31 trinque: seems reasonable enought to resolve for the near term to just run sbcl apps on linux

20:55:41 trinque: for myself

20:55:45 ascii_field: until you want to do something like tcp

20:56:06 ascii_field: (yes, works. but now you have 'guts' in the works, and breakage paths that don't cleanly break into lisp)

20:56:27 trinque: and that's what corrupts the intermediate-step approach, it seems?

20:56:34 trinque: what I was trying to get at about tape

20:56:37 ascii_field: i actually had problems with serial ports when i did the robot thing

20:56:45 ascii_field: had to write a very ugly c hack

20:56:49 trinque: like I did a "commonqt" project

20:56:54 trinque: just ends up that I wrote c++ in lisp

20:57:07 ascii_field: yes, no way to glue qt in any rational way

20:57:13 ascii_field: it demands to own the world

20:57:37 ascii_field: (and it's been tried before)

20:57:59 ascii_field: http://cmucl-imp.cons.narkive.com/qZKFCJMj/idolino-cmucl-binding-for-qt

20:58:00 assbot: Idolino: CMUCL Binding for Qt ... ( http://bit.ly/1GyphnD )

20:58:12 ascii_field: ^ i slaved to try and get that thing to run as a student

20:58:15 ascii_field: never worked

20:58:31 ascii_field: (not for me, at least)

20:58:39 trinque: commonqt ran fine; just that as I perceive it, utterly non-lispy

20:59:23 ascii_field: and at any rate, i barfed as soon as i discovered that you can't meaningfully compose qt widgets without diving back into the cpp shit pit

20:59:46 ascii_field: i.e. i wanted to bake a 'text edit' widget with clickable hyperlinks ~active during editing~

21:00:00 ascii_field: afaik, TO THIS FUCKING DAY not a SINGLE GUI TOOLKIT will let you do that.

21:00:22 trinque: it all sees the user as a derp that would never do such a thing

21:00:38 trinque: or do you just mean dynamically in the code?

21:00:40 ascii_field: to this day, afaik, i'm the only one who ever wanted this.

21:00:53 ascii_field: no toolkit will let you do this ~at all~

21:01:03 trinque: not even clim? or only it?

21:01:09 trinque: seems clim would

21:01:10 ascii_field: clim ~might~

21:01:39 ascii_field: problem with clim is that is does not actually work (with usable response time and reliability) on any extant system

21:02:39 trinque: all I want it to do is display some stuff from postgresql and let me edit data with reasonable performance

21:02:54 trinque: maybe click a foreign key and get the row it points to

21:03:17 trinque: so I can stop writing the same derpy app a thousand times

21:03:43 trinque: everything remotely like this is either garbage worse than excel or some shitty pile of JS (because that's what I want to do, edit my db over http)

21:04:03 trinque: anyone who has ever written an administration panel for a web thing has wasted his life

21:06:33 trinque: https://github.com/marmelab/ng-admin << garbage

21:06:35 assbot: marmelab/ng-admin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1GyqUlj )

21:06:40 trinque: so on, all garbage

21:06:59 ascii_field: on an entirely other level, the kernel is also garbage

21:07:05 ascii_field: for fundamentally same reason

21:07:17 ascii_field: (it being, having been written by the blind.)

21:07:39 ascii_field: because when you can't physically connect arbitrary flipflops in the machine to the screen, you're - blind.

21:08:02 trinque: I'm not qualified to say, but it does look like yet another vast C monstrosity from the outside

21:08:10 trinque: dunno how anyone could ever reason about it

21:08:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33700 @ 0.00042236 = 14.2335 BTC [+]

21:08:58 ascii_field: about items which 'fit in head', there can - on rare occasion - be reasoning.

21:09:05 ascii_field: about other kinds - only delusion of reasoning.

21:09:13 ascii_field: (plenty of delusion to go around, though)

21:09:37 trinque: reminds me of feynman's thing about "nobody's at the wheel" or something like that

21:11:43 trinque: can't find the actual quote; something about wanting to believe that there's some conspiracy in charge of the world because it's more comfortable than the reality

21:12:19 ascii_field: evidently he never hung out with brzezinski, mr. controlled-chaos

21:12:26 ascii_field: (or wishes us to think that he did not!!111)

21:13:10 trinque: heh!

21:13:28 trinque: clearly he was a part of the shadowy cabal himself

21:13:30 ascii_field: in other lulz,

21:13:31 ascii_field: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-33281896

21:13:32 assbot: French government orders Uber taxi ban after protests - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1GysdR9 )

21:14:41 ascii_field: and http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-33296352

21:14:41 assbot: One of two escaped US prisoners killed by police - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1GyssvB )

21:16:15 jurov: !up ascii_field

21:17:24 jurov: fellows, we have with mod6 noticed disconnect between patch IDs in mailing list and in release notes

21:17:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17700 @ 0.00042236 = 7.4758 BTC [+]

21:17:57 jurov: part is that everyone seems to hate mailman renaming them to include the ID

21:18:06 ascii_field: i absolutely hate it

21:18:13 ascii_field: if i wanted garbage in the name, would put it there myself.

21:18:37 jurov: yes, you prefer to name everythign "turd", i know

21:18:43 ascii_field: the hash in the name is useless, because no one signs it

21:19:18 jurov: how should we (and, the poor system for tracking the signatures), keep them?

21:19:24 ascii_field: using the given names.

21:19:37 jurov: no, i won't

21:19:56 jurov: they are not iunique already

21:20:02 ascii_field: how is asciilifeform_ver_now_5_4_and_irc_is_gone_and_now_must_give_ip_ebed1af0253ef629bbef4bf2b2d1a94742a81f0e.patch an improvement over asciilifeform_ver_now_5_4_and_irc_is_gone_and_now_must_give_ip.patch ?

21:20:23 ascii_field: i never released anything lacking a unique and modestly descriptive name

21:20:26 jurov: much better that turd.patch

21:20:29 ascii_field: and afaik this goes for the others

21:20:33 ascii_field: where is this 'turd.patch' ?

21:20:43 ascii_field: link plz

21:22:21 mod6: this is supposed to outline how to name and number the patch: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2014-December/000022.html

21:22:21 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GytUhB )

21:23:15 jurov: ok ascii_field not turd , but this leaves things to be desired, too: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-January/000033.html

21:23:16 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gyu7RL )

21:23:36 jurov: mod6 you realized your patches are actually worst-named

21:23:39 jurov: ?

21:23:57 mod6: why are they the worst?

21:23:58 ascii_field: jurov: also ought to remember, not all patches are meant as 'canonical' (that is, for eventual inclusion in the tree)

21:24:07 ascii_field: some can - must - only make sense in thread context

21:25:02 jurov: well, where is the context what is "portatronic" ought to be?

21:25:17 ascii_field: it was explained in painful detail in later discussions

21:25:19 mod6: i think the nomenclature is pretty straightforward. easy to use. you specify which base your coming off of, the patch name, and a number for any that are required to come before it.

21:25:25 ascii_field: but for those discussions to make sense, the patch had to be out there

21:26:01 cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-06-2015#1177992 <<< halsey minor

21:26:01 assbot: Logged on 26-06-2015 19:00:30; mircea_popescu: who was the other accidental windfall victim who actually WAS into bitcoin ?

21:26:18 mircea_popescu: nah

21:28:01 mod6: anyway, i like the idea of a checksum for the patches. if we can somehow hvae that without it being in the name of the patch, that would be neat.

21:28:09 ascii_field: mod6: it's in the sig!

21:28:14 ascii_field: the checksum

21:28:22 ascii_field: that is the correct place for it

21:28:37 jurov: the problem is, when i receive detached sig later

21:28:57 ascii_field: why would these ever come apart ?

21:28:59 jurov: and user is unwilling to work with patch ID the system must somehow heuristically

21:29:11 mircea_popescu: 10.3M/s eta 1h 40m

21:29:12 jurov: match it to original submission

21:29:18 mircea_popescu: gotta love modern internets.

21:30:04 jurov: ascii_field: it was intended to allow other people to send singatures for patches ater they revviewed them

21:30:23 ascii_field: Ah

21:30:51 mod6: so after review you just expect or perhaps exepect to just see a .sig file attached alone without the patch itself?

21:31:15 jurov: that doesn't matter if alone or not

21:31:30 mircea_popescu: ascii_field idea was to have one file multiple sigs

21:31:36 mod6: lol, i need a flow-chart

21:31:36 jurov: there must be a way to refer to original submission

21:32:08 ascii_field: easy:

21:32:14 ascii_field: pull hash out of original sig

21:32:20 jurov: if not by ID, then people must meticulously keep adhering to original name

21:32:29 ascii_field: notice that you don't even need the patch file for this

21:32:45 ascii_field: no name shenanigans needed

21:32:46 jurov: there is lubrary for this?

21:32:50 ascii_field: just a copy of 'pgpdump'

21:33:08 ascii_field: https://pypi.python.org/pypi/pgpdump

21:33:09 assbot: pgpdump 1.5 : Python Package Index ... ( http://bit.ly/1GyvUq9 )

21:33:11 ascii_field: ^ library

21:33:22 jurov: iirc i have searched for something liek that but did not found it

21:33:31 ascii_field: ^ as used in 'phuctor'

21:34:23 jurov: you could tell earlier there's a way to get hash from signature

21:34:25 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-06-2015#1178292 << making more seedz ?

21:34:25 assbot: Logged on 26-06-2015 21:29:11; mircea_popescu: 10.3M/s eta 1h 40m

21:34:40 mircea_popescu: well obviously.

21:34:45 ascii_field: neat

21:35:53 felipelalli: deedbot- http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=jTk05D5d

21:35:54 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GywpQU )

21:35:55 deedbot-: rejected: 1

21:37:47 felipelalli: !s deedbot

21:37:48 assbot: 1100 results for 'deedbot' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=deedbot

21:38:20 mircea_popescu: !gettrust assbot felipelalli

21:38:21 assbot: Trust relationship from user assbot to user felipelalli: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=assbot&to=felipelalli | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/felipelalli/

21:38:58 mircea_popescu: ED5CDE14 that's the right key...

21:39:21 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-06-2015#1178148 << will add to this. in every single field i dive into, i find these 'lisps' - i.e., the ~actual~ state-of-the-art buried under piles of shit strategically crapped out by one, two, more generations of mediocrities

21:39:21 assbot: Logged on 26-06-2015 20:43:32; trinque: I'm not at all impressed with the fact that when I asked for an education in CS, I was not presented with this.

21:40:22 felipelalli: mircea_popescu: Signature made Sex 26 Jun 2015 18:32:29 BRT using RSA key ID ED5CDE14

21:40:40 mircea_popescu: sex srsly ?

21:41:04 mircea_popescu: trinque any idea why deedbnot barfs at him ?

21:41:15 mircea_popescu: ascii_field they're merely trying to survive and perpetuate, them mediocrities.a

21:41:41 ascii_field: aha, like cockroaches

21:41:54 mod6: ascii_field: hey, i'm having a tough time getting the hash itself out of a sig file of mine with that python version of pgpdump. which flag should i be using; i've tried 'em all

21:42:01 ascii_field: mod6: -a

21:42:08 ascii_field: and -i

21:43:36 felipelalli: deedbot- http://dpaste.com/1MWQWQ9.txt

21:43:37 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GyxOqJ )

21:43:38 deedbot-: rejected: 1

21:43:42 felipelalli: trying with dpaste now. :/

21:44:01 mod6: dpaste.com/1G0JNPE.txt

21:44:19 trinque: lemme see

21:44:38 trinque: it's not the site though, I'm allowing any

21:46:33 jurov: !up ascii_field

21:47:09 jurov: app-crypt/pgpdump indeed does not show the hash (and it's not python but binary)

21:47:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53900 @ 0.00041928 = 22.5992 BTC [-] {2}

21:47:30 ascii_field: wrong pgpdump

21:47:33 jurov: and dev-python/pgpdump has docs dunno where

21:47:37 ascii_field: (yes, there are two proggies by same name)

21:47:51 mod6: it's the one you linked above though 'H?

21:47:53 mod6: *eh

21:48:08 ascii_field: jurov is right though, the one for which i gave the args is the c proggy

21:48:22 ascii_field: the py one comes with example code iirc

21:49:24 jurov: ic

21:49:43 trinque: deedbot- http://dpaste.com/1MWQWQ9.txt

21:49:44 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1fKEhbF )

21:49:45 deedbot-: rejected: 1

21:50:08 *: trinque goes to slap deedbot- around in private

21:50:14 felipelalli: the bot is in a bad mood today.

21:56:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56050 @ 0.00040243 = 22.5562 BTC [-] {2}

21:57:49 mod6: ok, i think this thing installed, but i can't figure out how to get it to run lol.

21:58:01 mod6: good ole python

21:58:42 mircea_popescu: bah. from the wunderbar world of undocumented linux gotchas : if you're transferring a file over 2gb, either curl or wget will go into "download one burst, rest for 30 seconds" mode and that's that.

21:58:43 mircea_popescu: wtf!

21:58:51 mircea_popescu: !up ielo

21:59:01 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: never saw this!

21:59:06 mircea_popescu: me either, before now.

21:59:07 ascii_field: not on any box of mine

21:59:12 ascii_field: and i routinely move 100G+

21:59:33 jurov: looks like server problem

21:59:43 mircea_popescu: 26.5G 0 32.3M 0 0 54811 0 6d 00h 0:10:19 6d 00h 86885

21:59:43 mircea_popescu: 26.5G 0 32.6M 0 0 54181 0 6d 02h 0:10:31 6d 01h 0

21:59:46 ielo: mircea_popescu, < why does this retard gossip like a 12 year old and you guys believe it?

21:59:46 mircea_popescu: get a load of that.

21:59:57 mircea_popescu: the thing will burst ~3mb, then stop. then burst again then stop.

22:00:02 mircea_popescu: ielo who are you exactly ?

22:00:59 ielo: mircea_popescu, i'm just sick of your shit you've independently claimed like 3 people i know are scammers and your life is literally gossiping on the internet

22:01:03 ielo: sorry i think you need to stop

22:01:06 jurov: anyway, looks pgpdump monkeys never bothered to pull actual hash out :/

22:01:14 *: jurov dons gloves

22:01:25 mats: jurov: say again?

22:01:37 ielo: mircea_popescu, i think you need mental help

22:01:39 mats: ielo: which people? name them.

22:01:46 ascii_field: anybody got a vivisection table open for the monkey ?

22:01:51 trinque: if only we had the nordic system, somebody would help poor mircea_popescu

22:01:53 ascii_field: mine are occupied

22:02:00 ielo: amir taak, andrew miller 2 main ones

22:02:00 mircea_popescu: they have the southern system here.

22:02:08 mircea_popescu: bwahaha

22:02:13 jurov: mats the data structure i get does include "hash_algorithm" but ntohing resembling actual hash

22:02:13 mats: oh, those are scammers.

22:02:21 ielo: you are such a shitty person

22:02:24 mats: sorry bud

22:02:28 mircea_popescu: maybe if your friends would stop scamming / being retarded pieces of shit i wouldn't have to care about their otherwise meaningless existences ?

22:02:28 ielo: fuck off

22:02:44 ielo: mircea_popescu, you literally dedicate your life to gossiping about shit you know nothing about

22:02:50 mircea_popescu: seriously, taaki ?

22:03:09 ielo: sorry but i remember you

22:03:13 ielo: from bitcoin conference in london

22:03:17 ielo: you are such a piece of shit

22:03:20 mats: jurov: are you saying a pgpdump fn you are calling is misbehaving?

22:03:21 mircea_popescu: umm.

22:03:53 mircea_popescu: ielo would this be the conference where tyhat fucktard nefario told everyone about how mpex is going to be going to jale two weeks before going to jale ?

22:03:56 mats: trying to figure out if its the library or the thing you're wrenching is at fault

22:04:10 mats: i am using pgpdump for a project and this is relevant

22:04:45 ielo: mircea_popescu, you are the fuckface what the fuck have you done for bitcoin? you literally called an asian woman a gookface, what the fuck kind of person are you?

22:05:02 mircea_popescu: motherfucker. and ~confirmed~ that the problem does not exist for files under 2gb.

22:05:07 mircea_popescu: what the fucking hell already nothing works!

22:05:12 ielo: its really sad that this is your life

22:05:18 mircea_popescu: 1 28.5G 1 314M 0 0 10.0M 0 0:48:17 0:00:31 0:47:46 13.7M

22:05:26 jurov: mats as the .sig file verifies, the hash must be therein

22:05:37 mircea_popescu: i guess im back to slicing archives. ima call them .rar too, in memory of the old days

22:05:42 mircea_popescu: back when everything fucking worked.

22:05:49 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: you can still get actual rar..

22:06:24 mircea_popescu: anyone know right off how i slice a file into fixed sdized chunks ?

22:06:59 ascii_field: 'split'

22:07:32 ascii_field: e.g., 'split -b 2048m foo.gz'

22:07:40 mod6: yeah split

22:08:09 mircea_popescu: aty.

22:12:11 mircea_popescu: split is slow.

22:13:17 mircea_popescu: anyway, ascii_field, apparently the dean is asking some questions eh ?

22:13:23 ascii_field: oh!!!

22:13:24 ascii_field: ?

22:13:30 *: ascii_field did not expect any response

22:13:32 mircea_popescu: well ?

22:13:59 *: ascii_field looks for hat to eat

22:14:04 mircea_popescu: chicklet's the sister of one/wife of the other or viceversa.

22:14:05 ascii_field: what kinda questions

22:14:26 ascii_field: l0l

22:15:01 mircea_popescu: so yeah, why do you people believe me that in fact miller & elaine whatever actually ran an unapproved scam on u of maryland dime ?!?!?

22:15:51 shinohai: @ ielo Sr. mircea_popescu is quite adept at revealing scammers is probably why.

22:16:02 ascii_field: the one part i'm unclear on is why the scam needed programmers at all

22:16:14 ascii_field: iirc 'ethereum' never shipped gadget

22:16:25 mircea_popescu: you read that story about the guy developing a drm thing for the palm pilot ?

22:16:35 mircea_popescu: because that's how you hoodwink investors, that's why!

22:16:45 mats: the coward fled already, felipelalli

22:17:02 mircea_popescu: !up ascii_field

22:17:21 felipelalli: thank you mats! Should I retry or my doc is already published?

22:17:47 ascii_field: vaguely recall the drm thing

22:17:49 mats: er, trinque is the maintainer

22:17:53 ascii_field: 'market wants fuffles'

22:18:14 felipelalli: deedbot- http://dpaste.com/1MWQWQ9.txt

22:18:15 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1fKEhbF )

22:18:21 trinque: working on it bud

22:18:27 felipelalli: ah!

22:18:27 trinque: I'll make sure it goes out

22:18:37 trinque: just python string nonsense; I should've written this part in bash

22:19:05 felipelalli: Ah! The problem is the "ã" char!! hahahah

22:19:07 mircea_popescu: ohohohoh. more python spaghetti ?

22:19:12 trinque: felipelalli: as always

22:19:30 trinque: this is just about past my shoot-in-head threshold

22:19:39 felipelalli: GPG is a little tricky with charsets.

22:19:59 trinque: gpg likes your doc just fine, and python has your doc as a string identical to what was provided

22:20:10 trinque: smells like python-gnupg being a piece of shit

22:20:15 mircea_popescu: split just crashed o.O

22:20:30 ascii_field: yeah at some point ~new~ phuctor will run over all the weirdos with non-latinate chars in namestring of key

22:20:50 felipelalli: the bod would cry with a Japanese doc!! :D

22:21:08 felipelalli: *bot

22:21:15 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-06-2015#1178455 << hey, i had 'strings' crash.

22:21:15 assbot: Logged on 26-06-2015 22:20:15; mircea_popescu: split just crashed o.O

22:22:01 trinque: felipelalli: ascii was good enough for the lord and it's good enough for me!

22:22:04 trinque: jk

22:22:04 mircea_popescu: atm i suspect it's doing something windows-retarded like "load whole file in memory, split it as a php array, write the result through type conversion"

22:23:04 felipelalli: asciilifeform agreed.

22:23:31 jurov: mats, ascii_field pursuant to http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4880#section-5.2.2 ,the pgpdump lib stops parsing right on the "Two-octet field holding left 16 bits of signed hash value" and does not go further to decode the signature

22:23:33 assbot: RFC 4880 - OpenPGP Message Format ... ( http://bit.ly/1fKM09u )

22:24:08 jurov: teh joy

22:24:26 felipelalli: That's why Bitbet.us hate weirdo chars?

22:25:48 mircea_popescu: it's slower to split than to upload o.O

22:25:51 felipelalli: trinque: if I add the option --charset=utf-8 when signing, helps something?

22:26:04 trinque: felipelalli: nah your doc's fine

22:26:22 mircea_popescu: jurov motherfucker! WHO DOES THESE THINGS

22:26:45 mircea_popescu: srsly, two octets should be enough for everyone ? this is how it is ?

22:27:24 jurov: yes, apparently they balked at decnsing "pkcs1" stuff

22:27:31 jurov: *decoding

22:27:37 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform srsly, split takes 10 minutes for a 1 gb. upload takes 1 minute.

22:28:06 jurov: alternatively, maybe curl can be asked to download ranges (if server supports it)

22:28:29 mircea_popescu: i tried that with -C but no dice.

22:28:50 jurov: what's on the other end?

22:29:23 mod6: can you use rsync instead?

22:29:39 jurov: maybe there's some dummy PHP script on server that chokes when hit 2G mem limit

22:30:50 jurov: (obv such tasks should bypass PHP completely)

22:31:44 mircea_popescu: i dun think php is in any way involved.

22:31:51 mircea_popescu: mod6 i think i will try rsync yeah

22:32:01 mircea_popescu: so far this has been an exercise in ridiculous.

22:32:13 trinque: deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/1MWQWQ9.txt

22:32:14 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cz9Tpw )

22:32:14 deedbot-: accepted: 1

22:32:15 mats: jurov: and this behavior is the same across c pgpdump and python port?

22:32:16 mod6: ~ how big is the file?

22:32:24 mircea_popescu: bout 40 gib

22:32:37 mats: port as to be found on 'pypi'

22:32:49 mod6: ah, well, if you hvae a solid inet connection you can always try scp as a last resort if you have a shell on the target environment too.

22:32:55 trinque: I "fixed" that by telling python-gnupg to use utf-8 internally as per their docs

22:33:27 trinque: that iirc might've caused problems with *other* characters (though I don't recall which) so someone ping me if they have trouble with that in the future.

22:33:28 mats: sorry for repeated queries, am mobile atm

22:33:32 jurov: mats, since the python one is written to be "inspired by C pgpdump", it's very likely it does not, too

22:33:40 jurov: trinque what???

22:33:47 trinque: jurov: what what

22:34:10 trinque: ;;later tell felipelalli your doc went through

22:34:10 gribble: The operation succeeded.

22:34:18 jurov: trinque: oh nm, you' re about deedbot, not about RFC 4880

22:34:26 trinque: ah yeah

22:39:53 jurov: and no pkcs py decoding code in sight. apparently imma invert this by hand: https://github.com/bdauvergne/python-pkcs1/blob/master/pkcs1/emsa_pkcs1_v15.py

22:39:54 assbot: python-pkcs1/emsa_pkcs1_v15.py at master · bdauvergne/python-pkcs1 · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1CzaqYB )

22:49:48 trinque: "presentation types" << o hey look another thing I built shittily in der database

22:50:03 cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-06-2015#1178406 <<< eh that was me!

22:50:03 assbot: Logged on 26-06-2015 22:04:45; ielo: mircea_popescu, you are the fuckface what the fuck have you done for bitcoin? you literally called an asian woman a gookface, what the fuck kind of person are you?

22:51:38 cazalla: can't help but think of this scene when somebody asks what the fuck type of person are you? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaBP522x0xI

22:51:40 assbot: GoodFellas Full "What's Wrong With You" Scene - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1fKSIwo )

22:55:49 jurov: The concatenation of the data to be signed, the signature type, *and creation time* ... is hashed.

22:56:00 jurov: ^ so the sig is useless for out purposes

22:56:04 jurov: *our

22:58:05 jurov: asciilifeform: ^ we're back to using our own patch hashes somehow

22:58:56 mod6: i can't figure out how to get the hash out either, the best i've seen is that "digest algo 10, best of digest 23 49" gives you 2 bytes.

22:59:28 mod6: s/best/begin/

22:59:59 jurov: mod6 they append date and whatnot to data prior to hashing anyway

23:00:09 mod6: oh, is that per the RFC you pastd?

23:00:36 jurov: ya

23:06:15 jurov: the PGP monkeys just did not foresaw any need to put into signature hash of signed document alone

23:06:16 mircea_popescu: wait what ?!

23:06:43 mircea_popescu: cazalla lmao srsly ?

23:07:52 mircea_popescu: i thought that btcentralplus.com thing is in england.

23:08:38 mod6: haha cazalla, great movie.

23:09:53 mircea_popescu: cazalla Jun 26 16:23:33 * amiller (~socrates1@unaffiliated/socrates1024) has joined #bitcoin-assets << also ?

23:10:46 cazalla: word spreads quickly eh

23:11:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17800 @ 0.00039016 = 6.9448 BTC [-] {2}

23:15:20 mats: !up amiller

23:17:11 mircea_popescu: in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6r9f19Yny1r2weuio1_1280.jpg

23:17:12 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1fKYQ7I )

23:29:59 mats: what brings you here, amiller

23:56:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49850 @ 0.00039258 = 19.5701 BTC [+]