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Transcript for 26-07-2014, 1439 lines:

00:00:03 moiety: youplay video games at the pub?!

00:00:09 moiety: i wanna go to that pub!

00:00:34 moiety: !up stormlight

00:01:56 thestringpuller: well there is an arcade pub, with old 90's arcade games scattered about.

00:02:17 thestringpuller: but the one I'm going to is a skateboard ride away. So I can get drunk as shit and skate home.

00:09:40 moiety: sounds dangerous thestringpuller lol

00:09:48 mircea_popescu: yeah hypnotize is weak

00:11:14 mircea_popescu: DreadKnight mass slow + berserk + blind on a hero with infinte mp and archers against a slow infantry -> carnage.

00:16:53 DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, totally; still reading comments actually, I got a bit of nostalgia now :D nice to see lots of comments on your blog made by krossfire as well

00:18:39 DreadKnight: ok, finally done

00:19:02 mircea_popescu: you know vlad ?

00:20:41 DreadKnight: got the privilege to meet him back in the day I started getting into game development

00:20:52 mircea_popescu: smart guy.

00:21:37 DreadKnight: I wonder why he hasn't sticked with making games, he had quite a few decent prototypes done in pretty much no time

00:21:53 mircea_popescu: not much money into it ?

00:22:00 DreadKnight: :D

00:22:23 DreadKnight: back then it sure was the case for indie game devs

00:22:49 DreadKnight: now things are changing, more potential

00:23:10 DreadKnight: will try to catch up with him soon, it's been too long

00:24:18 mircea_popescu: i think he's still semi-active on his blog.

00:24:44 DreadKnight: has that issue for years afaik

00:25:27 DreadKnight: last time I talked to him about 2-3 years ago, I recall his latest game with the zeppelin that he wanted me to try

00:26:12 DreadKnight: he seems to be more into tweeting that blogging nowadays xD

00:26:19 DreadKnight: than*

00:27:25 DreadKnight: 4 blog posts this month, not bad

00:45:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 372 @ 0.00294989 = 1.0974 BTC [-]

00:53:21 mike_c: ;;tslb

00:53:24 gribble: Time since last block: 18 minutes and 20 seconds

00:53:29 mike_c: lazy miners

01:33:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13627 @ 0.0008217 = 11.1973 BTC [-]

01:41:29 mircea_popescu: mike_c http://oglaf.com/ << check out the ad.

01:41:29 assbot: Enlist!

01:41:48 mike_c: hah! nice.

01:42:34 mircea_popescu: we're doing ~ 1.5mn impressions/hour atm. curious if it does anything.

01:43:29 mike_c: holy shit. that must be in a lot of places?

01:44:21 mircea_popescu: http://mspfanventures.com/ dunno if you like stuff like msp adventures ?

01:44:22 assbot: MS Paint Fan Adventures

01:44:56 mircea_popescu: but yes, 100s of places. the web is a big hole.

01:45:15 mike_c: hopefully a big hole full of bitcoin

01:45:41 mircea_popescu: a hole is by definition empty.

01:45:46 mike_c: damnit

01:51:04 mircea_popescu: anyway, oglaf for instance has close to 1% ctr atm

01:51:13 mircea_popescu: so counterintuitively the ads are actually good.

01:51:25 asciilifeform: ctr?

01:53:58 mircea_popescu: click through

01:54:02 asciilifeform: aha

01:54:12 mircea_popescu: this is unheard of, ctr was last 1% in 1998.

01:54:20 *: asciilifeform failed spam school

01:56:44 asciilifeform: http://cryptome.org/2014/07/cryptosphere-cryptome.htm

01:57:29 asciilifeform: 'Canceling Kickstarter cancels the pledges, so nothing to return except an apology to those who pledged for Kickstarter's siphoning and selling their profile. (A fair number said this is why they would not participate in this or any other crowd-funding scam, that we should be ashamed of aiding and abetting the hustle.)'

01:58:38 mircea_popescu: well sure.

01:58:54 mircea_popescu: this is not spam tho, this is advertising.

01:59:29 mircea_popescu: $mpexlag

01:59:36 mircea_popescu: or what was it

01:59:37 mircea_popescu: $proxies

01:59:45 mircea_popescu: !proxies

01:59:48 decimation: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/07/25/bose_sues_beats_apple/ remember the dumbass beats acquisition? yeah it was still dumb

01:59:49 assbot: Bose decides today IS F*** With Dre Day: Beats sued in patent spat The Register

02:00:13 asciilifeform: in my simple orkish minds, anything i have to switch off a filter to see is spam. but hey, who has never spammed.

02:00:15 mircea_popescu: lol

02:00:33 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform do you see the wol banner in the oglaf site ? (ab ove) ?

02:00:41 asciilifeform: well yes i do now.

02:01:26 asciilifeform: bose patent << are they also suing sony? or any of the 100 or so other manufacturers of antiphase audio gizmos ?

02:02:06 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform o you had to turn off a filter ?

02:02:12 decimation: no, they are suing someone who has $3 bn

02:02:28 asciilifeform: 'adblock' plugin

02:02:31 decimation: lawsuits are only useful if there's blood to suck from the other party

02:02:34 mike_c: well, they are suing apple now right?

02:02:44 decimation: yep

02:03:47 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ah i c.

02:05:59 *: asciilifeform ashamed to admit, owns some bose hardware. mainly because nobody else comes close in plain old noise zapping. (tried many vendors.)

02:06:53 decimation: ascii what about those isolating in-ear buds?

02:07:22 asciilifeform: decimation: that's what i have. bose's. with antiphase.

02:07:30 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform ashamed to admit, owns some bose hardware. mainly because nobody else comes close in plain old noise zapping. (tried many vendors.) << I feel that

02:08:40 asciilifeform: if, say, monsanto - sold a set with an extra -5dB attenuation, made of reprocessed kittens and personally signed by obama, at 20x the cost - i'd buy it...

02:09:06 BingoBoingo: ^ Concur to many's butthurt

02:09:52 BingoBoingo: Bose filters are great even if the fundamentals suck

02:10:04 csshih: =]

02:10:07 asciilifeform: most of the time i don't even connect the input to anything

02:10:34 decimation: yeah isolation from noise is nice

02:10:44 BingoBoingo: Ah usuausll I commect input to somgs of my people

02:10:54 decimation: do you find them more comfortable than head-clamp style headphones?

02:10:55 asciilifeform: then somebody asks 'why not shooting plugs?' and answer, 'try wearing those for 14 hrs'

02:11:11 asciilifeform: decimation: had those previously. also, unsurprisingly, bose.

02:11:26 asciilifeform: decimation: gave them to pet, who doesn't give flying fuck about noise

02:11:42 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: <asciilifeform> then somebody asks 'why not shooting plugs?' and answer, 'try wearing those for 14 hrs' << actually had a weird dream last night

02:11:52 BingoBoingo: Nagant bent its firing pin

02:12:08 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: my understanding is that this is virtually unheard of

02:12:12 BingoBoingo: Went aroung too long begging for an SKS in the middle of zombies

02:12:39 BingoBoingo: Trraded beloved watch for working rifle in this dream

02:13:07 decimation: turns out that the beats by dre headphones suck at delivering bass too

02:13:08 decimation: http://itsjustjustin.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Monster-Beats-by-Dre-vs-Beyerdynamic-DT-880.png

02:13:09 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: but if it's an actual concern, i vaguely recall that a number of u.s. vendors offer titanium firing pins for just about anything short of a nambu

02:13:09 mircea_popescu: ello csshih

02:13:20 csshih: yo mircea_popescu

02:14:06 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: my understanding is that this is virtually unheard of << Turned out all of the other patent people held .308 winchester rifles I was the long 7.62x54R party to this fight against the undead

02:14:40 BingoBoingo: Short story, this morning's bitcoin burning went to a pound of firing pins

02:16:32 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: phun phact. russia produced 308 winchester since early 1970s. why? brezhnev received a costly hunting rifle as a gift from usa. needed to feed it...

02:16:39 BingoBoingo: Would still like a Yugo SKS evwentually

02:17:09 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: phun phact. russia produced 308 winchester since early 1970s. why? brezhnev received a costly hunting rifle as a gift from usa. needed to feed it... << Similar with stalin and his 1911

02:17:42 asciilifeform: afaik russia never mass-produced .45

02:18:06 asciilifeform: as evidenced by the fact of lend-lease 'chicago typewriters' remaining mostly unused, languishing in warehouses to this day

02:18:10 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: But Russia has crates of them intended for Thompson

02:18:37 BingoBoingo: Unless submerged bullets don't aged to poorly

02:20:07 asciilifeform: incidentally,

02:20:09 asciilifeform: http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/russia-says-ukraine-shelled-across-border-with-intent-to-kill-officers/504097.html

02:20:14 decimation: I wouldn't mind one of these: http://www.czub.cz/en/catalog/364-centerfire-rifles-cz/KL/CZ_527_CARBINE.aspx strikes me as well made and practical

02:20:19 BingoBoingo: Officer model 1911 and clones are still popular concealed carry pieces

02:22:46 decimation: I would get the 7.62x39 with a suppressor (after all the ATF paperwork)

02:23:23 mircea_popescu: mike_c remember http://lawcomic.net/ ?

02:23:24 assbot: The Illustrated Guide to Law | Keeping the Laughter in Manslaughter

02:23:42 mike_c: lol, never saw that one

02:24:03 BingoBoingo: decimation> I would get the 7.62x39 with a suppressor (after all the ATF paperwork) << for delicate shit in missouri suppressors are a thing and most .22 lr semi autos have tons of accesories available

02:25:09 BingoBoingo: !up AndrewJackson

02:26:23 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/russia-says-ukraine-shelled-across-border-with-intent-to-kill-officers/504097.html << turning into ugly balkan or Israeli shit

02:26:43 mircea_popescu: mike_c http://fraudsters.com/2012/the-crime-of-being-american/ >> tjat guy

02:26:44 assbot: The crime of being American pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

02:26:44 decimation: my office mate got a suppressor recently, took 9 months for ATF to approve paperwork

02:27:06 decimation: because you know someone wanting to keep from going deaf while shooting game needs to be regulated

02:27:23 mike_c: ah, i do remember that post

02:29:46 mircea_popescu: synergy : because of wol author of that cartoon can now get a little money.

02:30:04 mircea_popescu: i like it when my shit makes circles :D

02:30:27 BingoBoingo: <decimation> my office mate got a suppressor recently, took 9 months for ATF to approve paperwork << Missouri to missouri lacks the hurdles

02:33:05 decimation: he had a practical use for it too: was out hunting, saw deer, didn't have time to apply hearing protection before getting off a shot (with 30-06), his ears rang for several hours

02:33:17 BingoBoingo: <decimation> my office mate got a suppressor recently, took 9 months for ATF to approve paperwork << Walther P-22 or whatever no wait with a probably missouri residence

02:33:58 BingoBoingo: <decimation> he had a practical use for it too: was out hunting, saw deer, didn't have time to apply hearing protection before getting off a shot (with 30-06), his ears rang for several hours << This is why supressors are UK legal

02:34:33 decimation: afaik they are legal and common throughout northern europe (where guns are legal)

02:34:59 decimation: what purpose does it serve to require people who shoot guns to deafen themselves?

02:37:24 BingoBoingo: <decimation> what purpose does it serve to require people who shoot guns to deafen themselves? << Puritan baggage

02:38:22 BingoBoingo: decimation: Mazing though that the two most killing calibers here are .22 lr and police 9mm and .38

02:40:02 decimation: killing humans?

02:42:43 BingoBoingo: decimation: What else do people keep stats for?

02:43:07 BingoBoingo: Groundhogs readily fall to a tack hammer

02:44:11 decimation: .22 lr pistols have always been popular

02:44:15 BingoBoingo: Also .22 lr hollow points have just enough space for a bit of pleasantly colored phosphorous

02:44:46 decimation: um, why would you want phosphorous in your round?

02:44:47 BingoBoingo: <decimation> .22 lr pistols have always been popular << Problem is they don't cycle well on subsonic loads

02:45:03 BingoBoingo: <decimation> um, why would you want phosphorous in your round? << fire

02:45:30 decimation: so you can burn someone from the inside after your hollow point smashes their organs?

02:46:19 BingoBoingo: <decimation> um, why would you want phosphorous in your round?

02:46:39 BingoBoingo: decimation: WIth .22 lr not usually persons, groundhogs and other vermin

02:47:09 decimation: ah that makes more sense

02:47:30 BingoBoingo: Anyways normal .22 lr blunt lead cheap shit tens to ricohet in the skull after it penetrates

02:48:48 BingoBoingo: For small mamammals though that extra burn sves a shot or two

02:49:50 BingoBoingo: Big mammals you have to get them to accept they are dying...

02:58:57 DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, seems you forgot to translate "Un blog de" into english

03:03:18 mircea_popescu: !up seakazoo

03:03:33 mircea_popescu: DreadKnight eh, what's it gonna hurt.

03:07:21 DreadKnight: oh well

03:09:39 seakazoo: thanks assbot

03:09:43 mike_c: ;;later tell fluffypony i gave that guy your handle, he may come ask you about the job

03:09:43 gribble: The operation succeeded.

03:24:30 mircea_popescu: !up btc111_

03:24:38 thestringpuller: moiety: The nice thing about that pub is it is downhill.

03:25:18 thestringpuller: I get nice and drunk, then step on my board - and voila - gravity takes me home.

03:26:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8256 @ 0.0008217 = 6.784 BTC [-]

03:26:29 DreadKnight: I managed to bump into a parked car in a similar scenario

03:28:16 thestringpuller: DreadKnight: I live in the suburbs so there is either 1) speeding cars or 2) no cars

03:28:18 btc111_: is MPEX still selling 5000:1 ether for march expiry?

03:29:26 DreadKnight: thestringpuller, I see; you said the pub has arcades?

03:32:42 mircea_popescu: btc111_ yes.

03:32:45 assbot: RooK314 +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0

03:32:57 mircea_popescu: ;;refresh

03:32:57 gribble: Order refresh successful, 2 orders refreshed.

03:32:59 mircea_popescu: !up RooK314

03:33:05 RooK314: xD

03:34:30 RooK314: Well I finally get here and seakazoo leaves for the night

03:35:25 btc111_: wahts the default risk on those contracts?

03:35:37 btc111_: trying to model the default risk into my structured product

03:35:52 mircea_popescu: btc111_ the default risk is 0.

03:36:04 mircea_popescu: RooK314 who's he ?

03:36:36 RooK314: She's a friend of mine. We are going to get her into some investments, not sure what yet

03:36:48 mircea_popescu: ah, cool.

03:37:04 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/ ?

03:37:05 assbot: I’ll pay for your tits pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

03:37:28 RooK314: That's a possibility. You have to talk to her lol

03:37:31 Duffer1: bitcoin, keep them

03:38:53 RooK314: I highly doubt anyone would want to see my tits

03:39:33 mircea_popescu: ;;google they really are buttcoins nao

03:39:33 gribble: They really are Buttcoins nao pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: http://fraudsters.com/2013/they-really-are-buttcoins-nao/; Perfect money corrupts absolutely pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea ...: http://fraudsters.com/perfect-money-corrupts-absolutely; Bitcoin pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: http://fraudsters.com/category/bitcoin/

03:39:43 mircea_popescu: weirder things have happened.

03:40:13 btc111_: MP: 0 sounds like a bit of a stretch. im seriously interested in buying those contracts... do you have enough BTC to cover if ehter hits 200:1 ?

03:40:42 Duffer1: hehe

03:41:13 mircea_popescu: yes.

03:41:56 mircea_popescu: 0 is not a bit of a stretch. the central bank is nominally 0 risk in any economic system.

03:42:41 btc111_: MP: who's the central bank here?

03:42:48 mircea_popescu: me.

03:43:42 btc111_: MP: you have unlimited BTC to cover if ehter rises?

03:44:32 mircea_popescu: i have more btc than what eth can ever be worth, ever.

03:46:24 btc111_: hah. interesting statement. care to elaborate? im not trolling... don't you think the hype will push it higher when it launches?

03:46:55 Duffer1: the question is whether or not it will still exist this time next year

03:47:35 mircea_popescu: btc111_ you overvalue hype. this isn't fucking feminism, or some other internet thing where what people say matter.

03:47:50 mircea_popescu: people can hype all they want, i deflated the dogecoin hype just fine, what's so special about eth ?

03:48:44 btc111_: MP: turing complete contracts

03:48:59 Duffer1: lmao

03:49:13 *: mircea_popescu shrug.

03:49:47 mircea_popescu: ;;google why i nixed colored coins

03:49:49 gribble: Why I nixed p2p, colored coins and all that jazz pe fraudsters - Un blog ...: http://fraudsters.com/2013/why-i-nixed-p2p-colored-coins-and-all-that-jazz/; OP_CHECKCOLORVERIFY: soft-fork for native color coin support ...: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=253385.0; Mixed Associations Aged With Precise Mystique - mactaggart jewelry: http://www.mactaggartjewelry.com/2014/06 (1 more message)

03:49:58 mircea_popescu: have a stab at that first link there

03:50:08 mircea_popescu: very little changed since 2012 on the score.

03:50:28 btc111_: MP: if ethereum hasn't launched by march, do the contracts expire worthless?

03:51:11 mircea_popescu: basically, yes.

03:51:41 DreadKnight: if dealing with bitcoins, do I have to bother with taxes?

03:52:07 Duffer1: depends on jurisdiction and how legal you want to be

03:52:22 btc111_: MP: ah, nevermind then -- i could see them being at least 6-8 months delayed

03:52:27 DreadKnight: good reply

03:52:27 mircea_popescu: DreadKnight that's something to ask your tax attorney not the internets.

03:52:30 mircea_popescu: the internets have no idea.

03:52:45 btc111_: brb

03:52:48 DreadKnight: so no :D

03:54:39 mircea_popescu: btc111_ the notion that they have the discipline to maintain work on that thing after 9 months' delay six months from now is beyond ridiculous.

03:55:17 mircea_popescu: the average lifespan for a blog is about 13 months, and that's an upper bound for dumbass internet kids and their projects.

03:55:26 RooK314: ^

03:55:28 Duffer1: 9 months delay + 5k? free btc..

04:37:46 asciilifeform: http://lawcomic.net/guide/?p=1008

04:37:46 assbot: Strict Liability pg 1 | The Illustrated Guide to Law

04:38:11 mircea_popescu: yeah. it's a good blog.

04:38:35 asciilifeform: good guide to what 'nation of laws' means in practice.

04:39:16 mircea_popescu: myeah

04:40:58 mircea_popescu: !up GodHatesFigs

04:49:25 DreadKnight: so how come big companies like Apple and such don't buy back all the shares? I can think of a few possible reasons but maybe I'm missing something important...

04:56:28 DreadKnight: s/shares/stocks

05:11:54 DreadKnight: well nvm, reading up a lot of articles on the subject

05:31:08 mircea_popescu: !up damier

05:43:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 23 @ 0.16308646 = 3.751 BTC [+] {4}

06:06:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 51 @ 0.01505 = 0.7676 BTC [+]

06:42:12 benkay: http://fraudsters.com/2012/the-crime-of-being-american/ // i have WoT citizenship.

06:42:13 assbot: The crime of being American pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

06:43:52 mircea_popescu: benkay lol rootless cosmopolitan is u.

06:44:56 benkay: can't quite say what i am

06:45:02 benkay: no idea, really.

06:45:14 benkay: "optimizer of future degrees of freedom" is the closes i've come lately.

06:45:46 benkay: http://fraudsters.com/2012/the-crime-of-being-american/#comment-89947 // my how time flies

06:45:50 assbot: The crime of being American pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

06:49:43 mircea_popescu: yeah, comment count at 103k now, ayear later.

06:54:17 benkay: for those following along at home, the 1st comic in the hotlinked legal horrorshow: http://thecriminallawyer.tumblr.com/post/13656784545/1-introduction-crime

06:54:18 assbot: 1 Introduction - "CRIME" - The Illustrated Guide to Law

06:57:00 mircea_popescu: you know the guy's site is linked above

06:57:05 mircea_popescu: cause wol is advertising on it

06:58:17 *: benkay takes note of all the places new MPEx properties advertise

06:59:40 mircea_popescu: http://www.utopiatemple.com/ << i used to play this 20 years ago

06:59:40 assbot: Formatters, Calculators, News and Forums - Utopia Temple

07:01:28 benkay: in derpy consulting companyville, a small and attention-draining project has been completed and discharged which is *awesome*, for both the money and the cognitive bandwidth. we've an agreement in principle with another client to take more of a technical project management role, handling more of the coordination of roadmap + code production and moving the product along while the ceo feller focuses on sales and other higher-level

07:01:28 benkay: concerns.

07:02:30 benkay: and another project is basically closed but we're still in the dance-around-and-grab-at-each-other's-nuts phase w/r/t actual working relationship and what has one

07:02:48 mircea_popescu: lo cool.

07:03:45 benkay: vision for next 2 years is to grab bigger and bigger slices of the pie, maybe using mobile as a wedge and demonstrating kickassery and then expanding scope to whatever can be had and paid for.

07:05:12 benkay: i'm starting to realize also that an engineering team that's blitting from one project to another is never going to be as effective as the same team focused on roadmap and cohesive set of business objectives.

07:05:28 benkay: which in retrospect, duh

07:06:10 benkay: subject only of stories that are not scams or threesomes

07:06:17 benkay: night all

08:11:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 270 @ 0.00297711 = 0.8038 BTC [-]

08:22:36 jurov: "we're still in the dance-around-and-grab-at-each-other's-nuts phase" benkay is a poet

08:39:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 298 @ 0.00297732 = 0.8872 BTC [+] {2}

09:08:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.0008217 = 2.6294 BTC [-]

09:36:58 fluffypony: re: the discussion on having kids

09:36:59 fluffypony: http://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/20140725.png

09:45:49 cazalla: it's a lot of fun fluffypony

09:46:06 cazalla: it's just the total lack of sex that shocked me more than anything

09:47:00 cazalla: comic needs to add baby is also covered in piss and vomit, not just shit

09:48:16 fluffypony: hah hah

10:09:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4671 @ 0.0029775 = 13.9079 BTC [+]

10:10:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 500 @ 0.0029775 = 1.4888 BTC [+]

10:43:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 183 @ 0.002975 = 0.5444 BTC [-]

10:45:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1576 @ 0.0029775 = 4.6925 BTC [+] {2}

10:48:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 281 @ 0.00297971 = 0.8373 BTC [+] {11}

11:04:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1780 @ 0.00299987 = 5.3398 BTC [+] {9}

11:05:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 832 @ 0.00305 = 2.5376 BTC [+]

11:09:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 675 @ 0.0030884 = 2.0847 BTC [+] {7}

11:11:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2333 @ 0.0031078 = 7.2505 BTC [+] {10}

11:39:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 500 @ 0.003 = 1.5 BTC [-] {2}

11:49:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 57 @ 0.01469041 = 0.8374 BTC [-] {2}

11:52:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 288 @ 0.00290114 = 0.8355 BTC [-] {5}

12:05:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 500 @ 0.00288889 = 1.4444 BTC [-]

12:15:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3100 @ 0.00082234 = 2.5493 BTC [+]

12:24:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 660 @ 0.00285398 = 1.8836 BTC [-] {21}

12:30:42 fluffypony: https://www.venturescanner.com/scans/bitcoin

12:30:44 assbot: Venture Scanner : Real-time coverage on emerging technology markets. : 3D Printing : Bitcoin : Digital Health : Connected Transportation : Future of TV

12:30:52 fluffypony: "A market map of the entire Bitcoin startup ecosystem"

12:30:59 fluffypony: ie. who got given money for their shitty idea

12:45:50 kakobrekla: coindesk "hey i am spam in your email, want to give me money for an article"

12:46:04 kakobrekla: bit4x "wait, let me find the quote, go fuck yourself"

12:46:09 kakobrekla: coindesk "faggot!"

12:46:25 kakobrekla: tru story.

13:44:05 ThickAsThieves: PETA got pwnt

13:45:02 ThickAsThieves: coindesk called you a faggot? tell reddit!

13:45:18 ThickAsThieves: such malicious communication

13:46:42 kakobrekla: :D

13:53:56 Duffer1: odd activity on PETA

13:53:59 Duffer1: what happened?

13:54:03 Duffer1: nm i already stopped caring

13:56:24 penguirker: New blog post: http://bitcoinassetsreception.wordpress.com/2014/07/26/summary-26-june-25-july/

13:58:24 thestringpuller: !up Vexual

13:59:32 ThickAsThieves: i didnt know Portishead made a new album in 2008, it's actually good as the other stuff

13:59:47 Vexual: 2 albums total?

14:00:01 ThickAsThieves: 3

14:00:08 Vexual: oh

14:00:27 ThickAsThieves: Dummy, Self-titled, Third

14:00:39 ThickAsThieves: then the live stuff

14:00:40 Vexual: dont have 3rd

14:00:42 ThickAsThieves: which is pretty good

14:00:47 Vexual: indeed

14:00:49 ThickAsThieves: check out Third man

14:00:51 ThickAsThieves: pretty good

14:00:56 Vexual: i will

14:57:52 Vexual: ;;diff

14:57:52 gribble: 1.8736441558310238E10

15:58:44 mircea_popescu: %d

15:58:45 atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 687182.56 Est. Next Diff: 613819.23 in 990 blocks (#42336) Est. % Change: -10.68

16:00:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 15.27184064 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 1328 satoshi per share

16:04:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 255 @ 0.00285098 = 0.727 BTC [-] {2}

16:04:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.67951300 BTC to 12`515 shares, 13420 satoshi per share

16:13:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 300 @ 0.00285016 = 0.855 BTC [-] {2}

16:13:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.17199714 = 1.204 BTC [+] {2}

16:14:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.17432335 = 1.2203 BTC [+] {2}

16:18:54 mircea_popescu: http://ninjablaster.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/demo3.png << fan page schedular.

16:21:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 20 @ 0.02701639 = 0.5403 BTC [-]

16:23:24 FabianB: $traded

16:24:14 benkay: amazing software

16:24:14 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

16:24:25 kuzetsa: mircea_popescu: what's with the spam tool?

16:24:36 mircea_popescu: kuzetsa it made me chuckle

16:24:41 kuzetsa: ah ok

16:24:54 kuzetsa: "spintax" ... sigh :(

16:24:57 mircea_popescu: (i made some comments about buying traffic yest, now im innundated with people pitching their various traffic generating offerings. some are lulzy)

16:24:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 20 @ 0.02701639 = 0.5403 BTC [-]

16:28:54 DreadKnight: yeah, a lot of shady people are using bots and such to sell their magic crapware

16:29:51 DreadKnight: facebook allows for scheduled posts anyway, pretty powerful stuff, considering most posts don't make it to your fans and you need to spam

16:32:19 DreadKnight: my fb wall is filled with cleavage, gj Mark.

16:33:01 benkay: !s f.derp

16:33:01 assbot: 29 results for 'f.derp' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=f.derp

16:33:49 mircea_popescu: cleavage ain't that bad.

16:34:49 DreadKnight: everything has pros and cons though :)

16:35:47 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: cleavage ain't that bad. <- that's what Klye thought too :-P

16:39:23 mircea_popescu: lol how's that ?

16:40:12 fluffypony: he thought cleavage was going to make him millions

16:40:15 fluffypony: :-P

16:40:25 mircea_popescu: lolk

16:42:10 DreadKnight: it worked pretty well with Riot and League of Legends, lots characters / skins having that in-game and there's also Nikasaur chick presenting the community fanart showcase on youtube channel

16:43:21 DreadKnight: that game is like tailored for underage wankers

16:44:17 mircea_popescu: what, old men don't like teat ?

16:44:33 DreadKnight: old men are more into the real thing

16:44:46 mircea_popescu: ya think ?

16:44:57 benkay: !mpif

16:44:58 assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021707 B (Total: 474.69 B). Delta: -0.59 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00019 BTC [-]

16:45:19 benkay: !t m f.mpif

16:45:20 assbot: Stupid fucking white man.

16:45:32 DreadKnight: :D

16:45:37 benkay: mpif below nav

16:46:15 fluffypony: lol assbot

16:51:26 FabianB: $traded

16:51:27 empyex: FabianB: Traded in last 24 hours: F.MPIF S.MPOE

16:53:04 FabianB: $vwap f.mpif

16:53:06 empyex: FabianB: F.MPIF 1 day: average: 0.00020681 high: 0.00021513 low: 0.00019 volume: 91617 btc: 18.94733383 7 day: average: 0.00020681 high: 0.00021513 low: 0.00019 volume: 91618 btc: 18.94754896 30 day: average: 0.00020681 high: 0.00021513 low: 0.00019 volume: 91618 btc: 18.94754896

16:54:13 []bot: Bet created: "Any US Player to win FIBA World Cup MVP" http://bitbet.us/bet/1002/

16:55:32 mircea_popescu: benkay it just traded below nav briefly.

16:55:58 []bot: Bet created: "Elizabeth Warren to run for US President" http://bitbet.us/bet/1003/

16:59:40 []bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Elizabeth Warren to run for US President" http://bitbet.us/bet/1003/ Odds: 1(Y):99(N) by coin, 1(Y):99(N) by weight. Total bet: 1.1 BTC. Current weight: 99,998.

16:59:44 []bot: Bet placed: 2 BTC for Yes on "Any US Player to win FIBA World Cup MVP" http://bitbet.us/bet/1002/ Odds: 99(Y):1(N) by coin, 99(Y):1(N) by weight. Total bet: 2.1 BTC. Current weight: 99,993.

17:05:23 []bot: Bet created: "Block 338,000 in 2014" http://bitbet.us/bet/1004/

17:05:24 []bot: Bet created: "Russia or Ukraine formally declares war on the other before September" http://bitbet.us/bet/1005/

17:12:16 decimation: lol over the butthurt re: amazon posting quartly loss:

17:12:18 decimation: Bezos insists on taking the long view. In his letter to shareholders last year, he responded to criticism about spending by saying investing in a "just-in-time fashion would be too clever by half."

17:12:19 decimation: http://www.moneycontrol.com/news/features/amazon39s-far-reaching-ambitions-lackprofits-unnerve-investors_1138139.html?utm_source=ref_article

17:12:20 assbot: Far-reaching ambitions, no profits, worry Amazon investors - Moneycontrol.com

17:13:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.1815 = 1.089 BTC [+] {2}

17:13:49 mircea_popescu: y saying investing in a "just-in-time fashion would be too clever by half." << guy's got a point. he shgould be here.

17:14:11 decimation: amazon benefits from being one of the few well-run companies in the us right now - this gives them the power to create their own frame

17:14:13 benkay: right, last trade vs. orders on books

17:14:13 mircea_popescu: actually tbh bezos may be the only guy in the derpeconomy of websites and whatnot that i actually like.

17:15:06 decimation: derps have no choice but to invest in amazon because they don't see any good alternatives

17:15:18 decimation: then they whine when quarterly payouts are not forthcoming

17:18:48 decimation: I like his attitude toward meetings wrt powerpoint - he went the full Ed Tufte: http://www.philanthropydaily.com/jeff-bezos-powerpoint-prohibition/

17:18:49 assbot: Jeff Bezos PowerPoint prohibition | Philanthropy Daily

17:20:26 decimation: Ed Tufte is a little crazy but his classes are worth taking. His position is that you present your ideas in the form of an essay or paper. Then you talk about the salient points and field questions. The projector is for showing information dense pictures, like the baseball stats page from a newspaper

17:20:32 mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/3NJD512 << and we have a first nibble on the eth short.

17:20:33 assbot: dpaste: 3NJD512

17:20:41 mircea_popescu: decimation omfg he's copied me. THEIF!

17:22:10 decimation: lol maybe, he has a book about it: http://www.edwardtufte.com/tufte/powerpoint

17:22:11 assbot: Edward Tufte: Books - Essay: The Cognitive Style of Powerpoint

17:22:21 decimation: it's short, but has pretty pictures and is easy to understand for n00bs

17:22:25 benkay: http://www.stockrip.com/finance/original-warren-buffett-partnership-agreement-found-here/

17:22:27 assbot: Original Warren Buffett Partnership Agreement Found Here | StockRip

17:22:50 decimation: he writes about how powerpoint contributed to retardation at nasa which lead to the shuttle's destruction

17:23:38 mircea_popescu: the problem is exactly what he states : pp makes it easier for the presenter, harder for the audience. this is not a tradeoff you want

17:23:45 mircea_popescu: unless, of course, you're trying to make everyone dumber.

17:24:42 decimation: which is generally the goal of most gov't meetings, gov't education, etc

17:25:15 mircea_popescu: right. then it becomes fashionable and before you know it the dumb broads in your household are giving pps to each other. and you can't do shit about it, because they're not your slaves, they're your "equal partners"

17:25:21 mircea_popescu: very fucking far that'll go, i'm sure.

17:25:44 asciilifeform: except that removing pp will not cure retardation. just as removing maggots will not resurrect corpse.

17:25:47 mircea_popescu: in fact : traditional views on sexuality impose monogamy as a standard because that's the only way to hide just how dumb and inept a commune actually is : by keeping it real small.

17:26:00 mircea_popescu: try a family of a coupla dozen wives that are all "equal partners" and see.

17:26:17 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it will, yes. it will resurect the not-yet-corpses and make the rest obvious.

17:26:18 Duffer1: mircea_popescu "..and that ETH trades on a reputable exchange" has "reputable" been defined?

17:26:38 mircea_popescu: "just get rid of her if she's annoying" leads directly to "and get rid of any slaves that can't cope with no pp or complain enough"

17:26:59 mircea_popescu: Duffer1 basically, it has to actually work.

17:27:18 Duffer1: i see

17:27:22 mircea_popescu: obviously i'll be buying some once it comes out. if shit happens like on icbit , where your bids are simply ignored while it "sells" to lower bids... then it's not reputable.

17:28:00 *: asciilifeform just learned that this exists

17:28:11 decimation: asciilifeform you mean Eth?

17:28:15 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform welcome to the world of a different set of idiocy.

17:28:43 mircea_popescu: !up bertani

17:28:51 decimation: My favorite thing about it are the random code snippets that are supposed to demonstrate how awesome it is, but in fact demonstrate that it's crazy

17:29:26 mircea_popescu: decimation if this gets funded ima allow interested buyers to take positions. either directly or via bitbet.

17:29:28 asciilifeform: they have code?

17:30:05 decimation: kind of I guess https://www.ethereum.org/

17:30:05 assbot: ethereum

17:30:44 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform according to their own claims, they got > 5k btc deposited by people looking to get a total 10mn of the shits.

17:30:51 mircea_popescu: seths.

17:31:59 decimation: I guess it's one of these turing-complete contract bitcoin wanna-bes - I haven't seen any serious analysis of the codebase yet

17:32:22 *: asciilifeform read their original paper, thought it could lead to something vaguely interesting - until the premined turdcoin came out...

17:32:37 mircea_popescu: no wait, that must be diff. this one's not out yet.

17:32:50 asciilifeform: hm

17:32:55 Duffer1: speaking of.. i haven't heard any ripple news in a while..

17:33:39 decimation: ascii re:premined - monkey can't let go of banana in trap...

17:34:01 danielpbarron: http://danielpbarron.com/swarm.log.txt << long but kinda funny read about yet another scam

17:34:09 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-07-2014#765724

17:34:10 assbot: #bitcoin-assets log

17:35:08 decimation: quite. To be fair, satoshi still has his hand on the banana

17:35:19 decimation: but that kind of opportunity only comes around once a century or two

17:36:13 mircea_popescu: <decimation> quite. To be fair, satoshi still has his hand on the banana << i don't see it.

17:37:16 chetty: http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/28498909

17:37:16 assbot: BBC Sport - Argentina FA fined 20,000 for Falklands banner display

17:37:48 decimation: mircea, are you saying satoshi's horde doesn't exist?

17:38:18 fluffypony: http://www.coinssource.com/trust

17:38:18 assbot: The Coins Source Trust Index

17:38:19 fluffypony: lol

17:38:53 mircea_popescu: decimation yeah.

17:40:26 decimation: is there a published analysis of the early blockchain?

17:41:43 mircea_popescu: lots.

17:43:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 693 @ 0.003 = 2.079 BTC [+]

17:44:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 241 @ 0.00309014 = 0.7447 BTC [+] {3}

17:45:43 mthreat: http://stopmasturbationnow.org/weather/17-year-old-girl-stuck-by-lightning-when-masturbating/

17:45:45 assbot: 17 Year Old Girl Struck by Lightning While Masturbating | Stop Masturbation Now

17:45:53 chetty: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/27/business/the-typical-household-now-worth-a-third-less.html?_r=0

17:45:56 assbot: Log In - The New York Times

17:46:01 mircea_popescu: ahahah

17:47:45 decimation: https://bitslog.wordpress.com/2013/04/17/the-well-deserved-fortune-of-satoshi-nakamoto/ << this guy estimate's satoshi's fortune at 1M btc,

17:47:47 assbot: The Well Deserved Fortune of Satoshi Nakamoto, Bitcoin creator, Visionary and Genius | Bitslog

17:47:51 mircea_popescu: http://stopmasturbationnow.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/jen.jpg << this chick;'s like 30

17:47:57 decimation: that's alot but not enough to shake the foundations of bitcoin

17:48:26 mircea_popescu: decimation i am aware. it's not "his" estimation. there's been this thing pushed around since 2011ish, a meme equivalent to "who really is satoshi"

17:49:54 decimation: ah, you discussed last year http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-05-2013#39370

17:49:54 assbot: #bitcoin-assets log

17:51:06 mircea_popescu: decimation it's just... you know. pretty much everyone i know who's been mining in 2010 has actually lost the majority of bitcoin they ever mined. irrespective if they still mine or not.

17:51:20 mircea_popescu: and besides, artforz is likely a much larger holder than satoshi himself. IF he had any sense.

17:51:27 mircea_popescu: which judging by his disappearance, he prolly did have.

17:52:08 decimation: this guy has more detail https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=507458.40

17:52:11 assbot: Chain Archaeology - Answers from the early blockchain

17:52:29 decimation: yeah I agree, I had mined in 2010 and lost much of it unfortunately

17:58:08 mircea_popescu: so, yeah. people like to dream. one dream they like to dream is that they'll be the sherlock that'll discover "the real satoshi". another dream they like to dream is the vicarious wealth of amillionbtc.

17:58:23 mircea_popescu: there's nothing wrong with this any more than there's anything wrong with watching animated pony cartoons.

17:58:53 mircea_popescu: when one starts pretendling like reality, going to school in their pony suit and mixing fiction in power points... well... that's actually unhealty.

18:02:42 mircea_popescu: i don't get what that coinsource thing is supposed to be.

18:09:04 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: tru story. << lel.

18:09:55 mircea_popescu: if only they had a smidgeon of business sense to start back in 2013 by coming here, they'd have actually had a future.

18:13:32 decimation: http://www.stlouisfed.org/publications/itb/articles/?id=2529 << follow up on chetty's post

18:13:33 assbot: In the Balance : Hispanic Population's Share of Wealth Likely to Increase by 2025

18:14:42 decimation: The U.S.'s Hispanic population was about 50.5 million in 2010, representing 16.3 percent of the total population (Table 1).1 According to the Federal Reserve's Survey of Consumer Finances and its Financial Accounts of the United States, Hispanic families had about ... about 2.2 percent of total wealth ... In summary, we project the Hispanic share of total wealth to increase from 2.2 percent in 2010 to either 2.6 percent or 3.2

18:14:44 decimation: percent of the economy's total wealth by 2025

18:14:48 mircea_popescu: inasmuch as some jews are hispanic, im sure it will increase.

18:15:39 decimation: even their "model" predicts no movement, but the press release predictably says: http://www.stlouisfed.org/on-the-economy/wealth-share-of-hispanic-population-may-triple-by-2025/

18:15:40 assbot: Wealth Share of Hispanic Population May Triple by 2025 | St. Louis Fed On the Economy

18:20:43 mircea_popescu: this is such idiocy. rich people are rich people. they're not "hispanic", they're rich.

18:20:55 mircea_popescu: there's exactly zilch that the "share of wealtyh of the hispanic population" means.

18:21:25 penguirker: New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/bitcoin-mining-profit/

18:21:54 mircea_popescu: this entire situation is reminiscent of someone trying to "enhance" abstinence-only sexed by reports about how "women's orgasms per capita set to increase this year"

18:22:08 mircea_popescu: people who're not fucking aren't going to be interested, unless, of course, they're retarded.

18:22:37 decimation: just as rich folk could give a tinker's damn what some poor mexican thinks about how things ought to be

18:23:03 decimation: http://www.isegoria.net/2014/07/decadence-is-not-physical/

18:23:04 assbot: Decadence Is Not Physical « Isegoria

18:23:10 decimation: "Decadence is a moral and spiritual disease, resulting from too long a period of wealth and power, producing cynicism, decline of religion, pessimism and frivolity. The citizens of such a nation will no longer make an effort to save themselves, because they are not convinced that anything in life is worth saving."

18:23:11 chetty: I wonder, does the poor Mexican give a tinkers damn either?

18:23:35 decimation: not really, because he thinks he is rich compared to his cousins back home

18:23:45 mircea_popescu: Daniel: "We believe that we can build a better future. We believe that we can enable all to participate in a revolution of collective ownership, something that will radically shift the nature of human society." wtf; are they socialists? <<< lulzy danielpbarron

18:24:16 danielpbarron: i know, right? i was cracking up reading it

18:24:56 mircea_popescu: decimation it only indirectly results from a too long period of wealth and power. i know, for i've been wealthy and powerful my entire life. the trick is to not buy into comfort. that's the direct causation : once people become comfortable and think "i'm too wealthy and powerful to be here fucking with a wrench inside this engine on the side of a road".

18:25:23 mircea_popescu: pretty soon it's "we're too cool for our children to be killed off like the worthless shitbags they are"

18:25:33 mircea_popescu: and from there on... anyone with a wrench can wrench a deal out of you.

18:25:43 decimation: for some of them, they could be making more money not fixing things and hiring a guy

18:25:46 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: usually this happens to folks born 'into' money

18:25:51 decimation: but that's a pretty restrcted set

18:26:19 mircea_popescu: decimation the problem is exactly there : a roman citizen is required to be part of the army, even if he could serve the republic "better" elsewhere.

18:26:29 mircea_popescu: the point is specifically to be able to serve everywhere, so to speak,

18:26:38 mircea_popescu: because the relative value of things can't really be fixed.

18:26:51 mircea_popescu: chetty likely not.

18:27:10 *: asciilifeform points out that this was the situation in ussr. virtually everyone was technically reserve corps.

18:27:26 mircea_popescu: decimation but you see the signs of decadence much closer to home : the moment people start shying away from calling someone a cunt in the street, because o noes, we're civilised now. that's it.

18:27:36 mircea_popescu: compare the father with the son in cat on a hot tin roof. that's it.

18:27:46 mircea_popescu: what, big daddy doesn't know what bum love is ? yes he does.

18:28:35 mircea_popescu: he may not be talking too much or too loud\ly about it because of that shithead ida, and her unwanted, unwelcome and damaging "love", but otherwise...

18:31:40 decimation: in other words each household needs to keep its own shit in order

18:33:34 asciilifeform: http://cryptome.org/2014/07/cryptokey-refusal-prosecution.htm << mega-lol. 'surrender card.'

18:35:13 asciilifeform: (what's that? this - http://longstreet.typepad.com/thesciencebookstore/2010/11/propaganda-and-surrender-tickets-world-war-ii-1953-1945-part-i.html)

18:38:23 decimation: ascii so the point is that the court can dodge questions of "what exactly are you charging me with?" by making a grand-jury circus?

18:38:33 asciilifeform: decimation: this is SOP in usa

18:40:12 asciilifeform: decimation: which is why, with the possible exception of folks who can cough up astoundingly large ransom, falling into the hands of u.s. 'justice' system should be thought of as equivalent to ending up in a gestapo dungeon.

18:41:24 decimation: speaking of which, whatever happened to that guy who was convicted of possessing silver coins?

18:42:01 asciilifeform: possessing? or selling

18:42:18 asciilifeform: that was von NotHaus

18:42:49 asciilifeform: ^ http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2011/04/financial-totalitarianism.html

18:42:50 assbot: ClubOrlov: Financial Totalitarianism

18:43:14 decimation: yeah him, did they actually sentance him

18:44:42 decimation: http://www.titanians.org/bernard-von-nothaus-seeks-acquittal-new-trial/

18:44:43 assbot: Bernard von NotHaus Seeks Acquittal, New Trial » Titania - the Open Source Ethical Society

18:44:47 mircea_popescu: <decimation> ascii so the point is that the court can dodge questions of "what exactly are you charging me with?" by making a grand-jury circus? << the principle is that "the people" can charge you with w/o the shit they want.

18:44:52 mircea_popescu: the exact equivalent of jury nullification

18:44:58 mircea_popescu: grand jury enactication.

18:47:16 decimation: yeah that's scary

18:47:39 mircea_popescu: decimation well if it wants to be a republic, it gotta be a republic.

18:48:15 asciilifeform: this is why i simply don't get people who continue to think of their relationship with the u.s. court system in legal, rather than military, terms.

18:48:46 mircea_popescu: "Unless you have been through this, with much of it kept secret to protect means and methods of investigation and prosecution, prepare for an exciting first time on the actual hot seat, not on TV or online where hypnotic disinfo rules and seduces the unwary to believe tickling the comsec tiger's tail is fantasic rep building." <<< heh.

18:49:08 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what do you perceive the difference being, between military and legal ?

18:49:12 asciilifeform: when at war, your perspective on what happens if you fall into enemy hands isn't 'know the magic incantations that will force them to let me go'

18:49:38 mircea_popescu: no, it's the "know the magic incantation that'll make them rue the day they messed with me so close"

18:50:10 asciilifeform: the magic incantation in that case is adequate fire support

18:50:22 mircea_popescu: not strictly.

18:50:35 mircea_popescu: try capturing chtulhu. hey everyone! free insanity today, and all get seconds!

18:51:25 asciilifeform: when (imho undeservedly) famous social engineer k. mitnick was captured, the jailers actually believed he was a chtulhu

18:51:39 asciilifeform: he was, famously, denied the traditional 'last phone call'

18:51:44 mircea_popescu: lol

18:51:48 asciilifeform: for fear of magic words!

18:52:11 decimation: he has magic hacking powers, give him the a. ames treatment!

18:52:34 asciilifeform: or, to quite relevant film, 'what good is a phone call mr. andersen, if you have no mouth...'

18:53:02 mircea_popescu: if only it were that easy.

18:53:36 mircea_popescu: i mean obviously, the king's ministers, no matter how cornered, will attempt to put forth the theory of how dominant their kingdom actually is.

18:53:37 thestringpuller: lol it is that easy

18:53:52 mircea_popescu: this has some trouble getting past things such as you know, that wikileaks guy.

18:54:29 mircea_popescu: if the kingdom actually worked like teh king's ministers propose it does, i wouldn't be looking into the yard of the king's minister's wife at the car of the guy the minister doesn't know she fucks

18:54:31 mircea_popescu: sort of thing.

18:54:59 jurov: so if ascii gets jailed for jaywalking, we shall expect another national guard gathering?

18:55:05 asciilifeform: lol

18:55:45 asciilifeform: my understanding is, the most one can hope for, if you aren't chtulhu, assanger, mircea_popescu - when the wagen comes, is to die with honour, without implicating other partizans

18:56:05 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform or you could blog about it.

18:56:28 *: asciilifeform should practice blogging while hanging upside down with gag

18:57:02 mircea_popescu: well now... here's the thing... you can't be talking while you're not able to talk, right ?

18:57:14 mircea_popescu: and if you are able to talk, who's going to be able to control what you say, and to whom ?

18:57:17 jurov: hm.. i guess when patent trolls come for cardano, there are better ways than seppuku

18:57:30 mircea_popescu: perhaps you need your computers, perhaps you need access to a certain server, who's to know.

18:57:30 jurov: ?

18:58:08 mircea_popescu: this isn't nearly as cut and dried a matter as the usg likes to pretend (forced mistake, it has no alternative than to so pretend).

18:58:24 mircea_popescu: exactly the same problems that limit the mob limit the government, and can be used identically.

18:59:57 decimation: for instance they haven't managed to jail this von nothaus guy yet

19:00:07 decimation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=argq_cxalZ8

19:00:07 assbot: Interview: Bernard von NotHaus - YouTube

19:00:24 asciilifeform: wait, he's outside of a jail ?!

19:00:45 decimation: apparently he was convicted but never sentanced

19:00:55 asciilifeform: yeah, but where's he now

19:01:05 asciilifeform: walking the globe without a gps collar ?

19:01:18 decimation: well according to this interview in miami on 1 feb 2014

19:01:39 decimation: I suspect he has no passport

19:02:00 asciilifeform: so there we go. he's in 'большая зона' (the big jail.)

19:02:36 asciilifeform: (soviet term, in contrast to the 'little jail' - a jail in the usual sense; the big one - ussr.)

19:03:20 decimation: "we are coming up to march 2014, so I've been waiting 3 years to be sentenced, this is most unusual. Usually in a federal case you are incarcerated within 60 days after being found guilty."

19:03:55 decimation: usg must be scared of something

19:04:10 asciilifeform: in cases like his, it is traditional for the inquisitor to make a series of offers to lighten punishment substantially in exchange for agent recruitment

19:04:16 asciilifeform: (aka turning stoolie)

19:04:34 asciilifeform: we can surmise that he refused one or more, but they aren't done yet

19:05:13 asciilifeform: so i don't see 'scared' - only 'patient.'

19:06:47 asciilifeform: if nothaus is cut loose, we should expect him to turn up eventually in the role of a karpeles or brock pierce.

19:07:40 decimation: well I tend to agree with your point about recruitment, but it's not clear to me what he is going to be recruited to do exactly.

19:08:00 decimation: an enterprising defense team would have him start another altcoin for the purpose of turning against it

19:08:17 asciilifeform: we'll know what it is once inquisitor makes up his mind, and nothaus surrenders

19:08:59 decimation: why didn't folks attempt to leave the "big jail" during ussr times?

19:09:05 asciilifeform: they certainly did.

19:09:05 decimation: seems like that would be the thing to do

19:09:27 asciilifeform: many of the same issues facing folks who want to leave usa.

19:09:36 asciilifeform: (a trip requires a destination)

19:09:41 decimation: I guess it's hard to escape with family intact

19:14:30 asciilifeform: back to the treatment of nothaus - this was SOP for dissident types, at least post-stalin. you land, not in a jail cell, but a comfortable 'hotel room', where no one hangs you upside down, no! - but well-dressed, educated fellows have little chats with you over good coffee - to make you 'see reason.'

19:14:34 thestringpuller: decimation: that's very depressing :(

19:15:20 asciilifeform: if you 'see reason' - you're a free man. get to keep doing what you were doing. except with a little microphone listening, or the like.

19:15:37 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> we can surmise that he refused one or more, but they aren't done yet << something like that.

19:16:20 mircea_popescu: <decimation> I guess it's hard to escape with family intact << people with families have no business escaping.

19:16:30 mircea_popescu: their job is to work the soil and make babies.

19:16:41 asciilifeform: this is why a man with a profession that puts him in range of escape was required to have family.

19:16:56 mircea_popescu: quite.

19:17:00 asciilifeform: e.g. diplomats, military attaches, competitive athletes

19:17:07 thestringpuller: what if you don't want to make babies?

19:17:15 decimation: yes, their fate is to stand and take whatever comes I suppose

19:17:24 asciilifeform: thestringpuller: then you don't get posted abroad.

19:17:33 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller then eiher it's not a family, you're being forced to or you will be forced to.

19:18:04 asciilifeform: incidentally, pretty much none of the above were sent abroad with actual wives, children

19:18:10 asciilifeform: they'd get theatrical ones

19:18:43 decimation: spies, presumably

19:18:49 asciilifeform: as diplomat, your 'wife' might actually be someone whose only job is to shoot you in the head if you start to 'turn.'

19:18:50 thestringpuller: sounds like huxley's world would make that a moot issue (humans bred in tanks)

19:19:50 thestringpuller: it also seems being an orphan is more beneficial in that regard too...

19:20:05 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller well tbh, i dun see why i'd have wanted to leave huxley's world. just hang out with the boss guy down at the bar.

19:20:54 asciilifeform: note that the analogy is not exact. the american equivalent of a soviet job with travel privileges would be, say, the right to own significant foreign (or theoretically liquid enough to become foreign) assets

19:20:57 asciilifeform: as this enables escape

19:21:08 decimation: http://galtsgulchchile.com/ << like these guys

19:21:09 assbot: Galt's Gulch Chile - To your freedoms

19:21:25 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what, like bitcoin ?

19:21:26 decimation: you can own, you just have to confess to usg you have them

19:21:29 asciilifeform: decimation: honeypot

19:21:32 asciilifeform: like 'citadel'

19:22:02 thestringpuller: asciilifeform: couldn't one in america escape through...non traditional means?

19:22:13 thestringpuller: i'm implying illegal passports.

19:22:14 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2014/big-numbers-random-numbers-and-whos-got-your-number/#comment-103357 << kid found a romanian btc atm, wants to know why some derp did it and not i. well.. i'm lazy.

19:22:15 assbot: Big numbers, random numbers and who’s got your number ? pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

19:22:31 mircea_popescu: but i follow the link. huge title "Bitcoin will be partially or totally controlled". ie, by some govt.

19:22:34 mircea_popescu: herp.

19:22:40 asciilifeform: thestringpuller: you probably heard that many 'gulag' facilities were not guarded at all.

19:22:53 asciilifeform: the snow, bears, starvation - do the guarding.

19:23:06 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform people's own dumb heads do the guarding.

19:23:12 mircea_popescu: nothing to stop one from walking to mexico right now

19:23:19 mircea_popescu: oh, but... THE BEARS

19:23:27 mircea_popescu: and lions and tigers - oh my!

19:23:28 decimation: yeah I suspect walking to mexico is easier than the reverse

19:23:32 thestringpuller: there is a lot to stop you walking from mexico back into the states tho...

19:23:54 asciilifeform: nothing to stop the zek from walking into the permafrost, either

19:24:16 decimation: one would need iron balls to do it I guess

19:24:21 mircea_popescu: EcoChav: these girls are going to be using SWARM to raise funds: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWTXht6doPM <<

19:24:21 assbot: California Kale Collective SWARM - YouTube

19:24:40 mircea_popescu: i propose a new highschool charter. it teaches kids nothing, but smacks them every time they use "going to"

19:24:46 asciilifeform: for most americans, walking to mexico would involve having to work for a living - a punishment far harsher than anything they do in jails here

19:25:08 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but arbeit macht frei!

19:25:15 asciilifeform: lol

19:25:49 thestringpuller: i recently heard of a city in siberia that utilizes more energy to keep the city warm and operate than it would if people just commuted 100's of miles to operate the factories there...

19:26:11 asciilifeform: thestringpuller: norilsk ?

19:26:42 thestringpuller: Yes!

19:26:43 thestringpuller: that's the one

19:26:44 thestringpuller: lol

19:27:18 thestringpuller: usually never gets above 70

19:27:20 thestringpuller: F

19:27:34 asciilifeform: - ?

19:27:49 thestringpuller: oh during the yeart

19:28:02 thestringpuller: like in july the highest it'll get is like in the 10's to 20's C

19:28:10 decimation: ascii have you seen "Happy People: a year in the taiga"?

19:28:21 asciilifeform: nope

19:28:49 decimation: this guy Werner Herzon tours the River Yenisei and finds people who live off the land

19:29:01 decimation: they would have walked out of the gulag without a second thought

19:29:19 decimation: s/Herzon/Herzog

19:29:49 thestringpuller: Herzog is one kinda character...

19:29:57 thestringpuller: He makes some of the best documentaries though.

19:36:26 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what, like bitcoin ? << ameri-zek could escape if he had 10^7 usd or 10^4 bitcoin, say. but he won't ever see either, 'like his own ears without a mirror.'

19:37:58 asciilifeform: now, if you're willing to live like a feral dog, it isn't even necessary to leave the country. i recall, a few years ago, an article about one fellow who lived in a dugout in a u.s. national park. for ~30 years. he was caught by pure chance.

19:38:33 asciilifeform: tourist noticed a puff of smoke coming from a tree stump.

19:39:00 asciilifeform: (it was his chimney. disguised partizan-style.)

19:39:46 asciilifeform: if tourist hadn't strayed miles from the road, if wind had been stronger - the dugout would be there still, with its inhabitant.

19:40:07 decimation: that's long enough to claim adverse possession in many states

19:40:14 asciilifeform: not on federal land

19:41:01 asciilifeform: and, in many (most?) states, adverse possession is virtually impossible to pull off (title holder must be aware of the squatter and do nothing for xx years)

19:41:35 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform 10k btc ? foreals ?

19:41:45 asciilifeform: see dugout man above

19:41:47 asciilifeform: he needed 0 btc

19:41:52 mircea_popescu: the point is to live like a feral dog AND leave the country.

19:41:56 asciilifeform: but paid with other things

19:41:59 mircea_popescu: you gotta break the circle of "is necessary"

19:42:09 mircea_popescu: that's what the dam is built out of. convenience.

19:42:32 mircea_popescu: inconvenience yourself and you'll be free, but otherwise, you're predictable, and in being predictable you'll be a tool.

19:42:35 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: elaborate?

19:42:45 mircea_popescu: on which part ?

19:43:06 decimation: yeah that's what most of the "early retirement" folks advocate. if you can live on $20k per year you can retire now if you have any assets to speak of

19:43:21 asciilifeform: decimation: the 20k still have to come from somewhere.

19:43:46 asciilifeform: if they come from my being a stonemason in mexico city, as far as i can tell i'm then already in a jail

19:43:47 mircea_popescu: decimation most of humanity lives on less than ten bux a week.

19:43:51 mircea_popescu: that's... 500 a year

19:44:22 decimation: they can even pay to have their kids escape to the great 'el norte'

19:44:27 mircea_popescu: somehow.

19:44:32 mircea_popescu: not all do, notice.

19:44:47 asciilifeform: the other thing mexicans, eskimos, whoever, anyone but homo americanus have is - tribe.

19:44:52 asciilifeform: strength in numbers

19:44:58 asciilifeform: lone ant - dies

19:45:02 asciilifeform: anthill lives.

19:45:12 mircea_popescu: lone and dies happy.

19:45:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.185 = 0.925 BTC [+]

19:46:08 decimation: the eastern metropolis is especially bad on this count. high population density but everyone is alone

19:46:31 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: let's say you were on the other side of the wire. my side. and you could escape, if you turned on that 'dulap' and gave up... cock&balls.

19:46:42 asciilifeform: now, is that life?

19:47:14 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i tend to break things.

19:47:36 mircea_popescu: there's very little doubt in my mind that if i were in the sort of situation most folk over there enjoy, i'd simply be shooting people.

19:48:02 asciilifeform: i recently went to a zoo, where they had cheetahs. one cheetah was a little different from the others. every time i see him, he's clearly preoccupied with looking for a hole in the fence.

19:48:14 asciilifeform: if he were a russian 'zek', he'd have a red stripe in his id papers.

19:48:30 asciilifeform: 'побегушник'

19:48:30 mircea_popescu: which ironically makes the entire "terrorist" thing quite appropriate, except, i wouldn't shot them for the show (which is what terrorism implies, that you kill people for no reason than to impress other people). i'd do it because their continued existence is incompatible with mine.

19:48:58 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform did i ever tell you about the two pellicans ?

19:49:02 asciilifeform: ?

19:49:17 decimation: which is exactly the attitude that the us used to have back in the pioneer days

19:49:48 decimation: before they were won by the English...

19:49:55 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform my only lingering regret from my days in costa rica is that one day i've visited a bird reserve. a large geodome sorta thing with a lot of birds in it.

19:50:20 mircea_popescu: among which two pelicans. which had figured where the door was, and what a door is. and were angling together to perhaps scare a dumbass tourist and manage to get out.

19:50:33 mircea_popescu: i have no idea why i didn't just take the birds across.

19:50:48 asciilifeform: lol!

19:50:58 asciilifeform: are they any good - to eat?

19:51:00 mircea_popescu: i guess a lot of foreign military officers wondered why they've not simply shot hitler at any point in the 30s, just walk up to him and boom.

19:51:16 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform im sure they couldn't have survived in ther wild, but i dun see why that should matter.

19:51:17 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i recall at least two who wrote just this

19:51:40 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform im sure the reason is exactly like the discussion re the altcoin

19:51:46 mircea_popescu: by the time you realise you should have it's too late.

19:51:52 asciilifeform: naturally.

19:52:20 mircea_popescu: there's actually an oglaf on the topic, too

19:56:37 mircea_popescu: http://media.oglaf.com/comic/chronotherapy.jpg

19:56:56 asciilifeform: lol, i recall this one.

19:57:02 mircea_popescu: guy shooting hitler would necessarily live in an alt-universe where shooting hitler's death is not justified by hitler being hitler, and so on.

19:57:12 mircea_popescu: this is a major reason to not punish murder, imo.

19:57:22 mircea_popescu: maybe the murderer had a point.

19:57:46 mircea_popescu: certainly murder of political figures is always justified on the face. they were, after all, political figures.

19:57:51 decimation: I suppose that's the point of jury nullification

19:58:37 mircea_popescu: yeah but it mixes the people in there. what'd the people know.

19:58:48 mircea_popescu: 1930s german jury'd have not nulified hitler murder.

19:59:03 decimation: well, in the village the people would know, not in the city

19:59:11 mircea_popescu: this is such nonsense.

19:59:27 mircea_popescu: vilage people are actualy a lot dumber than city people. they just have much fewer avenues to display their inanity.

19:59:39 mircea_popescu: it's a case of 0.5 / 0.25 appearing larger than 1/1

20:05:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13636 @ 0.0008003 = 10.9129 BTC [-]

20:06:59 mircea_popescu: hey danielpbarron, what do you do for a living ?

20:07:31 danielpbarron: I have a seasonal warehouse job

20:07:41 mircea_popescu: do you wanna get paid to derp on the interwebs ?

20:07:50 danielpbarron: maybe

20:08:09 mircea_popescu: do tell ?

20:08:31 danielpbarron: yeah; sounds very interesting

20:09:00 mircea_popescu: okay, what i want you to do is create a bunch of handles in various forums (i'll tell you which) and participate in the discussion.

20:09:28 mircea_popescu: don't spam, make sense, bring in the various good points we know about the world doesn't, bitcoin, b-a, bitbet, mpex, etc.

20:09:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1800 @ 0.00079762 = 1.4357 BTC [-]

20:10:12 danielpbarron: so just tell the truth?

20:10:19 mircea_popescu: pretty much.

20:10:30 mircea_popescu: i don't pay people to lie, they do that on their own & for free.

20:11:36 danielpbarron: what are the terms? how much money; how frequently?

20:12:28 mircea_popescu: you can spend the rest of your days doing it for all i care, 24/7. you're to report each weekend and i'll pay you mondays.

20:14:36 danielpbarron: which forums?

20:15:34 mircea_popescu: start with warriorforum.com, gfy.com and lessee... bodybuilding.com

20:15:43 mircea_popescu: that should keep you busy for a day or two.

20:17:40 mircea_popescu: and more generally, if anyone's currently wasting a lot of time derping online and would like to make a job of it... say so.

20:18:10 asciilifeform: bodybuilding.com !?

20:18:45 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's a lot you don't know :

20:18:47 mircea_popescu: :)

20:18:51 asciilifeform: certainly is

20:19:27 mircea_popescu: that thing's massive, about the size of a bodybuilder.

20:19:43 benkay: mircea_popescu: DERPs are backstopped to the sum of BTC brought in by sales of DERP shares, is that correct?

20:19:52 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron if there's religious interest forums you know that i don't / other stuff you're already doing feel free to throw that into the mix.

20:20:01 mircea_popescu: benkay nah.

20:20:26 benkay: backstopped by your reputation and promise to pay?

20:20:46 mircea_popescu: they're backstopped by f.derp's assets.

20:21:12 benkay: so all of the D series is backstopped by all of f.derp

20:21:31 mircea_popescu: yeah.

20:21:42 mircea_popescu: basically if each individual issue goes up 2x in btc, then it's just about wiped.

20:21:59 mircea_popescu: if one issue goes up 100x in usd and btc goes up 10x and there's 10 issues, then it's just about wiped.

20:21:59 mircea_popescu: etc

20:22:16 benkay: gotcha thanks

20:24:50 mircea_popescu: ;;seen duffer1

20:24:50 gribble: duffer1 was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 hours, 51 minutes, and 55 seconds ago: <Duffer1> speaking of.. i haven't heard any ripple news in a while..

20:25:11 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell duffer1 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2014#770682

20:25:12 assbot: #bitcoin-assets log

20:25:12 gribble: The operation succeeded.

20:25:16 jurov: what, F.DERP is/will be actual asset?

20:25:31 mircea_popescu: jurov yes.

20:25:46 mircea_popescu: so one can take either end. this was discussed in teh logs!!1

20:26:41 thestringpuller: we short using normal methods? (asking you to borrow shares on margin?)

20:26:43 thestringpuller: ^ mircea_popescu

20:26:53 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller short what ?

20:27:02 thestringpuller: DERPS

20:27:25 mircea_popescu: you short the derps globally by buying f.derp. or i guess individually by borrowing them from someone that bough them

20:27:31 jurov: i try to read everything but my subconscious tends to skip it :(

20:27:35 jurov: it is apparently interested in politics and cultural anthropology

20:27:48 benkay: i like the finance stuff

20:27:55 thestringpuller: okay makes sense thanks mircea_popescu

20:27:56 benkay: can't be arsed with scamwatch

20:28:20 mircea_popescu: benkay kinda why division of labour is unavoidable.

20:29:00 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: specialization is for insects

20:29:16 mircea_popescu: yeah well.

20:30:42 chetty: ever notice how much big apt buildings look like beehives?

20:34:18 mircea_popescu: http://media.oglaf.com/ads/ad-reproductivestrategy.png

20:35:07 fluffypony: http://i.imgur.com/fiDoDT6.jpg

20:35:34 mircea_popescu: lol good for you.

20:36:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.18649999 = 0.746 BTC [+] {3}

20:39:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 645 @ 0.00166597 = 1.0746 BTC [-] {4}

20:41:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 500 @ 0.001695 = 0.8475 BTC [+] {3}

20:42:08 chetty: <asciilifeform> for most americans, walking to mexico would involve having to work for a living - a punishment far harsher than anything they do in jails here// walking over the border to Mexico is actually pretty easy

20:42:41 mircea_popescu: http://legacy-control.com/comics/2014-07-22-The-Nest.jpg

20:43:22 mircea_popescu: http://legacy-control.com/comic/girl-dreams/

20:43:24 assbot: Girl Dreams – Legacy Control

20:45:56 mircea_popescu: http://nedroid.com/2014/03/music-and-words/

20:45:56 assbot: Nedroid Picture Diary

20:47:02 DreadKnight: really fun comic that legacy-control one

20:47:41 mircea_popescu: o you know it ?

20:49:41 DreadKnight: now I do; bookmarked

20:49:53 mircea_popescu: :p

20:50:11 DreadKnight: need to recall what comics I used to follow besides xkcd

20:53:27 DreadKnight: http://explosm.net/comics/ (newest one is lame though)

20:53:28 assbot: Cyanide & Happiness #3629 - Explosm.net

21:02:16 chetty: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjGGS5L8NhU#t=23

21:02:16 assbot: Mary Poppins Quits: The Rebuttal (w/ Remy) - YouTube

21:02:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.189 = 1.323 BTC [+]

21:03:24 asciilifeform: chetty: that train of thought was about what one is to do -in- mexico.

21:05:37 asciilifeform: it isn't hard (presently...) to physically leave usa.

21:08:53 jurov: did anyone mention the homeland can always ask to extradite you?

21:13:37 jurov: lol this chan causes its own slashdot effect now? legacy-control.com is slow and throws errors

21:14:00 chetty: <asciilifeform> it isn't hard (presently...) to physically leave usa.// you'll never really know until you try

21:14:54 benkay: chetty you were a usian once, non?

21:15:42 chetty: indeed benkay

21:19:47 benkay: chetty: and no longer?

21:20:37 benkay: mircea_popescu: per http://fraudsters.com/2014/fderp-june-statement/#footnote_1_55436 will the coverage be tracked for each D.*?

21:20:38 assbot: F.DERP June Statement pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

21:23:09 DreadKnight: finally found it http://kindofnormal.com

21:23:10 assbot: Kind of Normal

21:23:36 asciilifeform: chetty: you'll never really know until you try << well, for whatever it's worth, i did manage to actually get in the airplane (instead of a waiting gasenwagen) in april. to, i admit, a little bit of surprise. but who knows about next time.

21:24:11 FabianB: ;;ticker --currency eur --last

21:24:12 gribble: 444.5262

21:25:23 chetty: good job asciilifeform, I am not so sure the gasenwagen will be a joke much longer

21:25:52 asciilifeform: gasenwagen, unfortunately, was always real. but it has triage.

21:26:00 chetty: benkay, havent been back in a decade

21:27:02 thestringpuller: it's funny how a decade ago is 2004

21:27:06 thestringpuller: i definitely feel old

21:27:11 thestringpuller: thanks chetty thanks a lot :P

21:28:25 benkay: chetty: d'you pay taxes? still have a US passport?

21:28:44 benkay: feel free to tell me to get stuffed with my questions

21:29:00 *: asciilifeform is, in case anyone didn't know, still walking 'the big zone.'

21:29:34 benkay: ;;ud "the big zone"

21:29:35 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Danger%20Zone | When you are in a dangerous situation i.e. the danger zone. ... After ripping the big one, Timmy had one thing to say: "Danger Zone!" (Everyone immediatly left ...

21:29:45 asciilifeform: benkay: nope.

21:29:48 asciilifeform: benkay: большая зона.

21:30:03 asciilifeform: benkay: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2014#770509

21:30:03 assbot: #bitcoin-assets log

21:30:22 benkay: ah ah

21:30:31 chetty: benkay, yup and yup

21:30:35 asciilifeform: the starred-and-striped big zone.

21:31:00 chetty: isnt that the big gulag?

21:31:02 benkay: chetty: you wouldn't be paying state taxes, though, correct? just federal?

21:31:42 chetty: yup, they get you on fed tax for 10 years even if you give up passport

21:32:01 thestringpuller: could always be like voorhees and revoke citizenship

21:32:28 benkay: chetty: i am aware of that bit, yes.

21:32:41 benkay: but the "no state taxes" thing is no small bonus.

21:32:47 benkay: what's the tax situation like in Argentina?

21:33:39 asciilifeform: thestringpuller, benkay, chetty: usa would send a tax bill to a Chukcha if he weren't behind russian rockets. law is a 'god that died.'

21:33:41 chetty: nasty taxes here, and huge hits for moving money in/out of country

21:34:27 benkay: what is "nasty taxes"?

21:34:58 benkay: and lolya i can imagine moving fiat into or out of ars would be an expensive proposition.

21:35:20 chetty: well not sure what the local income tax is, dont have a local job yet but 35% to take any money out of country

21:35:54 chetty: oh and a wealth tax ..5% of whatever you have over some amount

21:36:36 benkay: is that a one-time-thing or more like the 0.5% of "assets under mgmt"

21:36:54 benkay: that hits the fund investor every year

21:37:58 chetty: assets, and it goes up % wise at some point too, not really sure where all the gates are. I just keep my head down

21:38:40 benkay: 1.25 above 5'000'000 AR$

21:38:58 benkay: interesting stuff, chetty.

21:39:07 thestringpuller: Is this why pirates bury their gold?

21:39:23 chetty: thestringpuller, exactly

21:39:55 benkay: no need to bury things anymore

21:40:10 benkay: it's *all* buried now.

21:40:32 benkay: i do look forward to constructing my last will testament and treasure hunt to reconstruct my offline keys

21:40:40 kuzetsa: burried treasure is a myth

21:40:44 kuzetsa: pirates don't do that

21:41:17 asciilifeform: kuzetsa: buried treasure is real, but generally results from folks who bury goodies and then get killed before they can make any use of them.

21:41:32 asciilifeform: like the pots of gold still sometimes found in digs of roman villas

21:41:53 asciilifeform: they did not save their owners.

21:42:05 benkay: !t h rent

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21:42:51 cazalla: DreadKnight, i quit when Nikasaur left :\

21:43:03 asciilifeform: kuzetsa: still not unheard of, in russia: a construction crew, tearing up a 19th c. apartment building, finding cigar boxes with thick stacks of pre-revolution rubles, silver coins, etc.

21:43:31 DreadKnight: cazalla, why? xD she thinks she can do better writing crappy stuff and getting funded on patreon.com apparently

21:43:32 asciilifeform: no prizes for guessing fate of the owner.

21:45:47 kuzetsa: fine fine, yeah... it has happened, and more than just pirates have done the "bury something to keep it safe" tactic, but just because it's common enough that it's "not unheard of" doesn't make it "actually a common practice"

21:45:55 cazalla: DreadKnight, was just coincidence but c'mon, who doesn't wann bang trashy gamer girls like her

21:46:20 DreadKnight: http://www.patreon.com/nikaharper

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21:46:34 DreadKnight: cazalla, I agree; she's quite hot and fun

21:46:51 kuzetsa: O_O

21:47:08 DreadKnight: anyway, 1600$+ a month just because; for writing; that's like 3 romanian full time jobs; I got 0 on there so far

21:47:25 DreadKnight: the power of bewbs.

21:47:43 kuzetsa: I suspect it's more than just "being female"

21:47:57 DreadKnight: it's a bit more, yeah

21:48:01 kuzetsa: some non-zero entertainment value in the produced content

21:48:27 DreadKnight: though she has popularity, without that crowd funding websites are pretty useless

21:48:29 cazalla: DreadKnight, someone like her doing bitcoin news on youtube would get views instead of that ditzy asian girl on followthecoin

21:48:39 kuzetsa: well-connected and good at marketing (social media or otherwise) is probably more to do with it than "the power of boobs"

21:49:10 DreadKnight: cazalla, considered doing something like that with a chick I know that looks like the Dark Queen from Battletoads; got equipment and such

21:49:36 DreadKnight: will check the asian girl you mentioned

21:49:38 kuzetsa: equipment?

21:49:47 DreadKnight: camera / lights / green screen

21:49:49 kuzetsa: oh

21:49:55 kuzetsa: yeah, I have that

21:50:28 cazalla: DreadKnight, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPwPnWlQXSU

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21:50:28 kuzetsa: but it's mostly used for photographing inventory stuff for <name>'s online store

21:51:03 cazalla: DreadKnight, that's her, bit too skinny for me but looks ok, just lacking personality that someone like Nikasaur has, tits + her enthusiasm would do well imo

21:51:36 *: benkay gags

21:51:47 benkay: moiety'd do better.

21:51:53 kuzetsa: yeah, having a decent personality & being able to market one's self is good

21:51:59 kuzetsa: *cough* iJustine

21:52:15 cazalla: benkay, with that accent? for sure

21:52:59 DreadKnight: cazalla, yeah, was just checking out some of the vids, she's so-so

21:53:31 DreadKnight: kuzetsa, ijustine kinda annoys me sometimes, too much of a crapple fan girl

21:53:55 kuzetsa: huh

21:54:14 kuzetsa: speaking of annoying, I've never seen a "follow the coin" video before

21:54:16 cazalla: how about miss hannah minx?

21:54:49 DreadKnight: cazalla, lol; there's also "hot for words", another youtube show about cleavage pretending to be educational

21:54:52 kuzetsa: not sure it's always the same person, but I jsut watched the one cazalla linked like 5 minutes ago, and the constant jumping-around shot from 20 billion camera angles per paragraph was giving me a headache

21:55:27 DreadKnight: sounds like what Michael Bay does with Transformers

21:55:32 cazalla: DreadKnight, seen that, not my type though

21:55:53 kuzetsa: cazalla: I'm unfamiliar with hannah minx

21:56:37 kuzetsa: cazalla: privmsg

21:56:42 cazalla: kuzetsa, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIt_hedcBTc

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21:56:45 DreadKnight: kuzetsa, small brunette, big blue eyes, big tits that always make it into the shot and juggle around, cute stuff, lots of japanese-anime words, a doge

21:56:56 cazalla: you can post that in channel kuzetsa

21:56:56 DreadKnight: jiggle*

21:57:19 DreadKnight: and a lot of cleavage*

21:57:40 DreadKnight: and top-to-down camera angle

21:57:47 DreadKnight: bird eye view

21:58:21 DreadKnight: all comments are about sex and boobs usually on her vids

22:00:49 benkay: just to throw a spanner into the works, mircea_popescu, i imagine the d-series do not pay out in the event that the companies use XCP or some such to list

22:00:49 cazalla: kuzetsa PM me, thinks i'm slut shaming these women lol

22:01:40 DreadKnight: haha

22:01:53 DreadKnight: they do that on their own as a hobby / job

22:02:11 DreadKnight: every social thing has quite a few of such women

22:02:28 cazalla: http://pastebin.com/gQhzUfkp we could've had this conversation in here kuzetsa

22:02:28 assbot: <kuzetsa> "... but c'mon, who doesn't wann bang trashy gamer girls like her" <k - Pastebin.com

22:02:58 benkay: faminist!

22:03:05 benkay: starve 'em all out.

22:03:11 benkay: i'm a faminist too, kuzetsa

22:03:20 mircea_popescu: <jurov> lol this chan causes its own slashdot effect now? legacy-control.com is slow and throws errors << prolly cause of the log watching ppls.

22:03:51 mircea_popescu: <benkay> mircea_popescu: per http://fraudsters.com/2014/fderp-june-statement/#footnote_1_55436 will the coverage be tracked for each D.*? << that q made no sense.

22:03:52 assbot: F.DERP June Statement pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

22:03:59 kuzetsa: cazalla: oh uhm... well allright then

22:04:13 kuzetsa: I can have the discussion here instead if you really prefer

22:04:22 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> gasenwagen, unfortunately, was always real. but it has triage. <<< you failed to qualify ?

22:04:30 kuzetsa: I just know in #bitcoin that personal disputes and whatnot are generally expected to be done in privmsg

22:05:01 benkay: mircea_popescu: is "cover" for all d-series contracts or is it reserved per contract?

22:05:11 *: kuzetsa refers to cazalla's pastebin for reference

22:05:43 kuzetsa: wow, how dose that already have over views?

22:05:46 benkay: eg: 50B of cover for D.BPAY, 0.2 of cover for D.BTGO

22:06:01 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> thestringpuller, benkay, chetty: usa would send a tax bill to a Chukcha if he weren't behind russian rockets. la << actually, aren't they derping about various russian citizens sanctions and whatnot ?

22:06:02 kuzetsa: cazalla: so as per privmsg, I don't understand why you called me a faggot

22:06:18 DreadKnight: kuzetsa, that bitcoin channel seems to be dying lately, too quiet, dogecoin more fun

22:06:25 kuzetsa: benkay: what's a faminist?

22:06:45 kuzetsa: [18:01:35] <cazalla> no matter how many men you throw under the bus, being a feminist is not going to lead to them fucking you

22:06:45 kuzetsa: [18:01:59] <kuzetsa> what?

22:06:45 kuzetsa: [18:02:42] <kuzetsa> huh, noticed just now that I typoed on feminist... is "faminist" a word I'm just unfamiliar with?

22:06:45 kuzetsa: [18:03:14] <kuzetsa> is that misspelling a word and it means something? it really was just a typo, I didn't mean to confuse.

22:07:09 mircea_popescu: <DreadKnight> cazalla, why? xD she thinks she can do better writing crappy stuff and getting funded on patreon.com apparently << such idiocy.

22:07:30 cazalla: kuzetsa, i'm not sure what the problem is?

22:07:54 DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, was expecting you would say that

22:08:35 kuzetsa: cazalla: well I don't understand what you're saying about men fucking me (or not) because I throw them under a bus or whatever... or why you called me a faggot

22:09:06 cazalla: kuzetsa, i thought you were saying you're a feminist and that i use slut shaming language

22:09:37 cazalla: fwiw, i don't object to nikasaur dressing trashy

22:09:39 kuzetsa: your definition of "trashy", and how you used it sure did sound like slut shaming

22:09:51 cazalla: but it is trashy

22:10:10 DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, most people only care about charisma and looks and that's why they fund her, not really interested in her writing; it's nice she does what she likes but that's different from what she's good at apparently

22:10:43 DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, saying "such idiocy" to whatever I say without arguments doesn't bring much to the table of conversation

22:11:15 kuzetsa: cazalla: mostly I'm just confused about why feminism = faggot (that logical jump confuses me)

22:11:18 benkay: there's nothing wrong with being trashy

22:11:26 benkay: connotations are all in your head

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22:11:48 DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, you're probably offended because you're a blogger yourself, but since you started blogging apparently you flamed more popular bloggers, so even you agree that not everyone should be writing stuff publicly :P

22:11:49 benkay: excessive rouge, lipstick, heels, etc. it's a good look on the right chick.

22:12:13 DreadKnight: and tattoos

22:12:24 benkay: yeah sure - tattoos are great as well

22:12:30 kuzetsa: benkay: a lot of women chose to dress how they dress, wear their hair, makeup, tatoos, clothes, etc. for themselves, not for the benefit of others

22:12:34 cazalla: yeah, i like it on the right girl but i describe it as trashy, nfi why kuzetsa would take offense

22:12:46 benkay: it's clearly not for others.

22:12:52 benkay: doesn't mean we're not watching and watched ourselves.

22:13:07 benkay: i do a pile of sales. constantly. *i* dress for others.

22:13:28 *: kuzetsa nods

22:13:34 benkay: when I didn't, I didn't.

22:13:45 benkay: ripped jeans, mohawk, the works.

22:13:58 cazalla: kuzetsa, because imo feminists are faggots eg andreas derpopolous

22:14:26 kuzetsa: choices about outwardly expressing whatever self-image one has about ones self (and/or other reasons for dressing one way or another) just doesn't seem like a friendly thing to use as a basis for labeling someone as "trashy"

22:14:33 DreadKnight: internet is full of porn, girls who undress on webcam; dressing slutty = more attention; ( . ) ( . ) = $$$

22:14:37 benkay: look there's a hobo on the street

22:14:44 benkay: he's clearly not dressing for anyone

22:14:49 benkay: and he's also clearly trashy

22:15:09 benkay: ofc my definition of such is going to differ from someone else's

22:15:16 mircea_popescu: DreadKnight i have nfi who this is. pics ?

22:15:22 benkay: but i'll not be told to not speak my opinion of stuff.

22:15:41 mircea_popescu: and in any case, i'm not offended.

22:16:15 mircea_popescu: <benkay> excessive rouge, lipstick, heels, etc. it's a good look on the right chick. << for sufficiently drunk guys :D

22:16:24 DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, I linked near the quoted line, anyway seems you're too distracted to follow the conversation or reply overall, while others are debating about such women

22:16:28 kuzetsa: I personally don't feel "trash" or "trashy" is a good way to refer to persons --- trash is refuse, waste, compost, scrap, things to be recycled, or a computer metaphor for marking something as "trash" to be staged for deletion (such as putting one's unwanted spam emails in the trash)

22:16:55 mircea_popescu: kuzetsa so how does the logical jump work, from that to "not a good way to refer" ?

22:17:10 DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, http://www.patreon.com/nikaharper so she got popular working for League of Legends, then she quit to write apparently

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22:17:17 cazalla: kuzetsa, it's the right word because i'd fuck her and then throw her away, trash, not the sort of woman i'd bring home to meet my parents

22:17:34 kuzetsa: mircea_popescu: it's dehumanizing to label someone as a term which is not inherently describing a state which is common to persons

22:17:40 kuzetsa: mircea_popescu: to say that a person is "

22:17:41 benkay: kuzetsa: ever met a girl who gets off on being degraded?

22:17:50 mircea_popescu: DreadKnight just some random chick, i don't see anything special about her. why's she discussed in terms of hotness or wtf.

22:18:02 mircea_popescu: kuzetsa of course it is. so ?

22:18:12 kuzetsa: mircea_popescu: ...(oops, erroneously inserted a linebreak) "trash", or "trashy" is degrading to their personhood

22:18:34 mircea_popescu: no, it's not. it merely claims to be. which, like all claims...

22:19:00 mircea_popescu: saying someone's a scammer is similarly degrading to their personhood. that's no reason not to say it.

22:19:04 kuzetsa: mircea_popescu: to say that a person is trash is to liken that person to being a disposable, unwanted, low-value thing, not a person

22:19:10 mircea_popescu: yup.

22:19:48 mircea_popescu: the only criterion is whether she actually is trashy, not whether her being trashy'd ruin whatever for her.

22:19:53 DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, others find her special and hot, especially being nerdy gamer; I usually don't get why Megan Fox has many fans, but that's me

22:20:08 mircea_popescu: DreadKnight well megan fox got teh tits on a thin frame.

22:20:21 mircea_popescu: and also she acts well :D

22:20:33 mircea_popescu: !up sexy_saffron

22:20:40 sexy_saffron: hello!

22:20:45 kuzetsa: hello

22:20:51 mircea_popescu: hey there. we're in the middle of a trashy argument!

22:20:54 benkay: !up fats_cd03

22:21:01 fluffypony: who's seen Jodorowsky's Dune?

22:21:03 benkay: this argument is trash.

22:21:03 sexy_saffron: oh?

22:21:10 mircea_popescu: DreadKnight anyway, the "idiocy" comment was re the patreon thing. the whole thing fundamentally doesn't work.

22:21:23 mircea_popescu: people would really like it to work nevertheless, so every few years there's a new implementation

22:21:24 DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, for me she's just a tunned up bitch, just seen some of her roles earlier and she was playing the bitch role actually

22:21:26 mircea_popescu: which also fails to work.

22:21:37 mircea_popescu: fluffypony i think i did

22:21:47 benkay: (my dog just sneezed in his sleep and narrowly avoided rolling off the couch)

22:21:50 benkay: (hilarity)

22:21:53 fluffypony: just started, will report back afterwards

22:22:03 mircea_popescu: but anyway, i'm not a blogger myself. i just happen to keep a blog.

22:22:19 DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, thought you meant my argument because you didn't said much, I agree about patreon not working unless you're popular, it's a wanna be kickstarter basically, but lacks a few important things

22:22:20 kuzetsa: sexy_saffron: yeah, "trash" conversation, in which my main objection is to degrading / defamatory / judgemental language being pointed at people due to clothing, hairstyle, personality, makeup, or whatever criterea is being used to target them in a dismissive manner :(

22:22:54 sexy_saffron: ok

22:23:03 kuzetsa: I wasn't intending to have the conversation publicly, but the other party whom I was trying to ask what they meant decided the privmsg contents should be copied onto a pastebin and shared with the whole channel

22:23:05 mircea_popescu: people should be targeted in a dismissive manner. builds character.

22:23:17 sexy_saffron: I agree

22:23:30 sexy_saffron: honesty is cruel sometimes

22:23:53 cazalla: kuzetsa, no reason for that conversation to occur in PM to begin with

22:23:54 kuzetsa: there's a difference between constructive criticism, charcter building, harassment, bullying, and joking around

22:24:01 sexy_saffron: definitely

22:24:04 mircea_popescu: kuzetsa ilustrate ?

22:24:18 kuzetsa: mircea_popescu: illustrate what?

22:24:22 mircea_popescu: seems to me one man's constructive criticism is another man's harassment and bullying.

22:24:28 DreadKnight: !up HeySteve

22:24:33 mircea_popescu: afaik bingoboingo's got a trial coming up on this very point

22:24:38 DreadKnight: HeySteve, it worked :D

22:24:43 fats_cd03: whats the point of pretending like we respect each other?

22:24:45 HeySteve: gribble is full of shit tonight

22:24:47 mircea_popescu: kuzetsa that difference. but make it absolute.

22:24:48 HeySteve: thx DreadKnight

22:24:53 fats_cd03: its not the case IRL.

22:24:53 sexy_saffron: there's a fine line between derision and harsh constructive criticism

22:24:59 kuzetsa: wow I really can't follow this channel right now

22:25:06 HeySteve: <+fluffypony> who's seen Jodorowsky's Dune? <- yeah that's a very interesting film. guy's a real character

22:25:13 DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, so you poked that zoso guy on purpose to get in the spot light? marketing strategy?

22:25:13 kuzetsa: this topic is apparently one which a lot of people are wanting to comment on

22:25:18 fats_cd03: is there some kind of internet etiquette insisting on politeness? i didnt check that box on install.

22:25:22 mircea_popescu: sexy_saffron yeah but if it's not objectively drawn then might as well give up. people wil just claim hurtbutts to get out of things they don't want to hear.

22:25:22 sexy_saffron: I haven't seen that but I like the dune adaptations

22:25:40 sexy_saffron: oh ya, most people can't handle the truth

22:25:45 mircea_popescu: DreadKnight i step on the heads of idiots. it's what i do. the only selection criteria is how lulzy they are and if im bored.

22:25:52 kuzetsa: FWIW, the privmsg was in-part because the channel was kinda intense and I was having trouble filtering through this many words per minute

22:25:55 HeySteve: kuzetsa, if you dress / act a certain way, you'll inevitably draw a reaction from others

22:26:17 mircea_popescu: kuzetsa it gets nuts doesn't it. and it has the harshest voice model of any chan on freenode, too.

22:26:27 mircea_popescu: no idea what we'll end up doing, because it won't let go im sure.

22:26:42 kuzetsa: HeySteve: the "had it coming" defense about agressing on somebody verbally or otherwise, to their face or otherwise isn't one I consider to be valid

22:26:50 mircea_popescu: on the grounds of what ?

22:26:50 sexy_saffron: I think the best philosophy is to just stay true to yourself and not care what other people think, as cliche as that sounds

22:26:55 HeySteve: kuzetsa, learning to evoke a positive reaction with your appearance / manner is just social intelligence

22:27:01 mircea_popescu: sexy_saffron got it.

22:27:10 kuzetsa: HeySteve: I'm a social idiot, quite arguably

22:27:19 mircea_popescu: are you also a girl ?

22:27:23 fluffypony: hah hah - HeySteve right at the beginning, and it's already classic - I wanted to do a movie that would give the people that took LSD at that time the hallucinations that you get with that drug, but without hallucinating. I did not want LSD to be taken, I wanted to fabricate the drug's effect."

22:27:32 DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, he had a few arguments against you that could stand valid, but overall it felt like he was trying to protect his "#1 blogger by traffic" crown by trying to dis the new competition

22:27:38 kuzetsa: mircea_popescu: old enough to be a grandmother, so no, not a girl

22:27:43 mircea_popescu: DreadKnight so good for him.

22:27:49 mircea_popescu: kuzetsa so good for you.

22:28:13 HeySteve: lol yeah fluffypony, one artist apparently got tripped out just talking to Jodo, you'll see

22:28:39 mircea_popescu: giving new meaning to "being chtulhu"

22:28:51 kuzetsa: oooh, I like chtulhu (somewhat)

22:28:54 mircea_popescu: what if there existed a chick that'd get one high by having sex, provided it's bareback.

22:29:13 mircea_popescu: possibly varying effects by the hole, too.

22:29:30 HeySteve: mircea_popescu, I think that poison ivy in batman might fit the bill

22:29:32 mircea_popescu: this should totally be a goddess. and yet... my memory fails me. is there such a goddess ?

22:29:37 DreadKnight: HeySteve, ha, I kept telling people that, especially as advice to avoid online insults or even rape, but a lot of people insist in "I can dress the way I want, nobody should care; the raper is always the guilty one!", so I'm like "ok, good luck with that mentality"

22:30:03 mircea_popescu: DreadKnight there's a difference between rappers and rapists.

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22:30:06 mircea_popescu: !b 2

22:30:18 mircea_popescu: sorry but it was just too good to pass on :D

22:30:19 DreadKnight: kuzetsa, ha, knowing you're female makes the whole "faggot" thing funnier :D

22:30:41 DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, yeah, thanks, typo

22:30:42 mircea_popescu: yea srsly. cazalla there you go, pming old ladies to call them faggots. wtf's wrong with you lmao

22:30:56 DreadKnight: HeySteve, s/raper/rapist xD

22:30:56 kuzetsa: O_O

22:31:07 cazalla: there's no women on the internet

22:31:18 sexy_saffron: ?

22:31:21 mircea_popescu: you know that's a very homoerotic belief.

22:31:27 *: kuzetsa blushes

22:31:38 mircea_popescu: cazalla ever tried it with a dude ?

22:31:41 kuzetsa: wow, now I'm having yaoi-type thoughts about a few people

22:31:55 cazalla: mircea_popescu, no but someone did want to in high school

22:32:02 mircea_popescu: kuzetsa is that when underage boys rub foreskins or what was it ?

22:32:10 mircea_popescu: my azn cartoons variety speak is shit.

22:32:24 mircea_popescu: cazalla so why not try it out sometime then.

22:32:35 kuzetsa: mircea_popescu: no, I think the genital VS genitals rubbing thing with penises (foreskins or otherwise) is called a frottage

22:32:49 mircea_popescu: ;;ud yaoi

22:32:50 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Yaoi | Yaoi is a slang meaning 'boys love' or homosexuality that is used in the japanese language. Popular with fangirls who like their favorite anime guy...

22:32:52 HeySteve: kuzetsa not a sword fight?

22:32:53 cazalla: i don't understand why it is homoerotic though, my understanding it's meaning is that a woman does not have the power to influence online as she does irl

22:32:55 mircea_popescu: ah ok.

22:33:08 mircea_popescu: cazalla now that's nonsense.

22:33:16 kuzetsa: wow, that urban dictionary thing is pretty accurate

22:33:34 mircea_popescu: now lessee if i can get caught up on this monsterlog jeez/

22:33:44 kuzetsa: I've totally done the fangirl thing thinking of male characters romantically / physically involved with each other <I'll spare you the fanfic I may or may not have read or written>

22:33:45 sexy_saffron: I don't think gender has much to do with influence on the internet

22:33:52 sexy_saffron: on the internet, no one knows you're a dog

22:34:19 benkay: but here, we all sort of know each other fairly well.

22:34:20 cazalla: sexy_saffron, clearly you've never had a woman join your guild, demand officer status, demand items while using cybering to attain that from idiots who allowed her to destroy said guild with drama

22:34:22 mircea_popescu: kuzetsa hey, what do you do for a living ?

22:34:23 kuzetsa: good job, urban dictionary, that's totally what I meant by yaoi :)

22:34:36 DreadKnight: sexy_saffron, talk was mainly started by chicks popular on youtube mainly thanks to cleavage

22:34:39 sexy_saffron: ah, well there is that lol

22:34:42 mircea_popescu: cazalla no, actually, i had that lol. didn't really do much.

22:35:06 kuzetsa: mircea_popescu: retired, technically

22:35:26 sexy_saffron: idk, I just think people can be shitty regardless of gender

22:35:32 mircea_popescu: kuzetsa im looking for someone to cover the countless anime forums on the web, if you're looking for work.

22:35:44 cazalla: mircea_popescu, happened to me in EQ, guild leader's wife joins, she start cybering the teenage boys which undermines his authority, it all went to shit after that

22:35:47 mircea_popescu: sexy_saffron women can't be as shitty as men because they're inferior and all.

22:35:58 sexy_saffron: lol

22:36:05 mircea_popescu: cazalla so she's a great troll. why hate the playa ?

22:36:15 kuzetsa: sexy_saffron: yeah, people being unpleasant (shitty, whatever) doesn't have a strong correlation to any particular gender, race, religion, age, nationality, etc.

22:36:22 mircea_popescu: if i were a wife upset over matrimonial neglect i'd do the exact same thing.

22:36:25 mircea_popescu: only perhaps better.

22:36:39 mircea_popescu: kuzetsa age ? what, you kidding me ?

22:36:45 mircea_popescu: annyoing teenaged boys are a category.

22:36:50 kuzetsa: no, I'm not kidding about being retired

22:37:36 cazalla: kuzetsa, retired or on disability due to feminist issues such as gender dysmorphia, anxiety or other made up shit?

22:37:44 mircea_popescu: i meant the correlation with age. of course it correlates with gender and age, god help you with 16yo boyz.

22:37:55 mircea_popescu: lol this guy's got a scoring table all prepared.

22:38:16 kuzetsa: I still do a bit of consulting / contract work now and then though, as well as some speculation with bitcoin and such

22:38:36 fats_cd03: 'and such' being?

22:39:19 mircea_popescu: DreadKnight: anyway, 1600$+ a month just because; for writing; that's like 3 romanian full time jobs; I got 0 on there so far <<< you know 20k a year is basically unemployment benefits. it doesn't really register as a fortune on anyone's radar. people like asciilifeform make many times that and essentially count themselves as paupers.

22:39:21 kuzetsa: fats_cd03: generally, this time, specifically, I probably meant the sorts of things which are often used as a basis for stereotypes or discrimination

22:39:51 kuzetsa: I could have instead said "or whatever" but "and such" seemed like a fun word choice this time

22:40:17 *: kuzetsa loads that substitition into the spintex content generation engine

22:40:18 fats_cd03: so you're saying you buy and hold bitcoin, and thats it

22:40:21 mircea_popescu: lol

22:40:39 mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot kuzetsa

22:40:39 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask kuzetsa!znc@wikipedia/kuzetsa. Trust relationship from user assbot to user kuzetsa: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=kuzetsa | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=kuzetsa | Rated since: Sun Jul 15 14:54:23 2012

22:40:52 DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, it's all relative to location, might not be much money, but the more you go East, the more of a king you are

22:40:53 kuzetsa: ;;ratingsystem getrating kuzetsa

22:40:53 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask kuzetsa!znc@wikipedia/kuzetsa . User kuzetsa, rated since Sun Jul 15 14:54:23 2012. Cumulative rating 23, from 18 total ratings. Received ratings: 18 positive, 0 negative. Sent ratings: 22 positive, 2 negative. Details: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=kuzetsa

22:40:58 fats_cd03: werd

22:41:36 mircea_popescu: kuzetsa what, wikipedia too ? you're like the perfect enemy. no wonder you'll catch a little flak here.

22:41:37 benkay: those 2012 ratings

22:41:46 DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, she might be in USA, so it's not too much there indeed

22:42:05 mircea_popescu: DreadKnight i think you're approaching this from the wrong angle.

22:42:16 mircea_popescu: living wages are living wages no matter how you turn it.

22:42:18 kuzetsa: mircea_popescu: yes, I've been editing wikipedia for nearly a decade.

22:42:31 mircea_popescu: how can you stand it ?

22:42:37 kuzetsa: in small doses, mostly

22:42:41 mircea_popescu: i can see that.

22:43:00 kuzetsa: oh, you looking at my main WP page under the kuzetsa handle?

22:43:02 mircea_popescu: you stil playing eve ?

22:43:04 mircea_popescu: no.

22:43:22 kuzetsa: eve? no, not for a few months

22:43:40 DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, living wages depend on geographical location overall and they vary a lot though

22:43:42 mircea_popescu: there's a large-ish bitcoin guild, smickles' in charge these days.

22:43:46 kuzetsa: no eve lately ever since that incident with me being a social idiot and I pissed off a pirate corp who all put large bounties on me

22:43:52 mircea_popescu: DreadKnight notrly.

22:44:12 mircea_popescu: kuzetsa how's being a social idiot manifest ?

22:44:18 mircea_popescu: sexy_saffron so how goes these days ?

22:44:39 sexy_saffron: days go well!

22:44:46 sexy_saffron: lots of shooting

22:44:54 DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, if you're referring they're relative proportion to regular job, that's kinda "notrly" indeed, but when you consider internet crowd funding, that's a different story

22:45:07 mircea_popescu: notrly. :)

22:45:16 mircea_popescu: DreadKnight: cazalla, considered doing something like that with a chick I know that looks like the Dark Queen from Battletoads; got equipment and such << she doing nudes ?

22:45:20 kuzetsa: mircea_popescu: mostly, in my case, when I say "social idiot" I just mean I've had a low success rate for knowing what sort expecations are "standard" within cultures, groups, circles, etc. (whatever you call it -- social situations)

22:45:26 DreadKnight: 100$ in USA is not equal to 100$ in Thaiwan

22:45:39 mircea_popescu: kuzetsa you survived here, inexplicably.

22:45:43 mircea_popescu: !up zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

22:45:51 zzzzzzzzzzzzzz: LOLOLOL

22:45:56 mircea_popescu: DreadKnight yeah it is. it'

22:46:00 mircea_popescu: s equal to nothing, everywhere.

22:46:02 DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, she is but not for internet stuff; she's hot :3

22:46:27 mircea_popescu: DreadKnight http://fraudsters.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/ if you hadn't seen it.

22:46:28 assbot: I’ll pay for your tits pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

22:46:29 DreadKnight: in USA you can eat a day, in Thaiwian you can eat a week from 100$; just an example

22:46:45 DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, think I had it opened, was waiting for credit

22:46:47 mircea_popescu: i eat once, everywhere. here, romania, new york

22:46:51 fats_cd03: http://x64dbg.com/#start

22:46:52 assbot: x64_dbg

22:46:52 mircea_popescu: a hundred buck's a decent meal.

22:47:06 kuzetsa: DreadKnight: that spelling is confusing me... did you mean thailand or taiwan?

22:47:26 DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, you, but there was also internet crowd funding involved in the equation when raising money

22:47:52 DreadKnight: kuzetsa, thailand

22:48:17 HeySteve: oh man that reminds me, there was a girl who wanted to do the tits for bits thing

22:48:23 kuzetsa: just don't wear the bitcoin logo on stuff, they might confuse it for baht, the local thai currency :)

22:48:23 HeySteve: if it's still going I should let her know

22:48:28 DreadKnight: so if you're in thailand and raise 100$ online, that's way better compared to living in USA and raising 100$ online from crowd funding

22:48:36 mircea_popescu: HeySteve it is.

22:48:51 DreadKnight: HeySteve, bumped into a website where chicks get naked for btc a while ago

22:48:52 mircea_popescu: DreadKnight $100 is not worth the hassle anyway. no matter where you live.

22:48:53 HeySteve: cool where do I see the current entrants, mircea_popescu?

22:49:09 HeySteve: DreadKnight, girls gone bitcoin maybe?

22:49:09 mircea_popescu: HeySteve you mean the people who already got paid ? scroll down on the article.

22:49:12 DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, it was just an example

22:49:16 DreadKnight: HeySteve, might be

22:49:40 mircea_popescu: i dun think it was. i think it's representative. you're thinking in teh wrong terms.

22:49:52 mircea_popescu: you want to build something that's large, not to make enough for a pizza.

22:50:07 mircea_popescu: ;;ticker

22:50:09 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 594.39, Best ask: 595.02, Bid-ask spread: 0.63000, Last trade: 595.02, 24 hour volume: 3525.30240017, 24 hour low: 590.0, 24 hour high: 603.0, 24 hour vwap: 594.747163713

22:50:45 mircea_popescu: cazalla: DreadKnight, that's her, bit too skinny for me but looks ok << that azn chick is god awful.

22:50:47 DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, yes, 100$ won't personally get me far, but it would get me further than someone located in USA

22:51:03 sexy_saffron: I really like how my picture turned out :)

22:51:09 kuzetsa: O_O

22:51:19 cazalla: mircea_popescu, looks or personality or both? i bet she's a dead fish in bed

22:51:20 DreadKnight: azn?

22:51:38 kuzetsa: DreadKnight: silly spelling for "asian", and I think it has other connotations

22:51:40 kuzetsa: !ud azn

22:51:43 kuzetsa: ;;ud azn

22:51:44 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=AZN | "AzN pRydE, AzN tIL i DiE" WhOo HooOo i'm A DumBaSs DaT doEsnT knnO hOw To tyPe aNd EmBarRAsZz My rAcE anD EthNiCiTy by ClaiMinG PrYde WheN ...

22:51:44 HeySteve: some hotties

22:51:49 DreadKnight: was considering that might be

22:51:49 mircea_popescu: cazalla she looks meh and her personality is obnoxious. she speaks like she's chewing nibblets and her movements are atrocious. needs actor schooling.

22:52:12 DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, agree, she's average, not worst choice but not best choice

22:52:13 cazalla: mircea_popescu, they all look the same to me

22:52:25 mircea_popescu: that's because you're a racist homoerotic aussie.

22:52:27 cazalla: azns, that is

22:52:46 kuzetsa: :(

22:53:07 mircea_popescu: kuzetsa what, did i just tinker with his personhood ?

22:53:09 HeySteve: a couple of those links have expired tho

22:53:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 257 @ 0.0029 = 0.7453 BTC [-]

22:53:42 kuzetsa: mircea_popescu: hmm? oh, I was mostly just embarrased by how I got all yaoi earlier at the "no women on internet" --> "homoerotic thing to say" joke earlier

22:53:49 mircea_popescu: omfg hannah minx = perianne boring's secret camho identitty ?

22:54:05 kuzetsa: mircea_popescu: sad smiley because the homoerotic reference reminded me of it

22:54:12 kuzetsa: I'm such a pervert :(

22:54:36 mircea_popescu: if anyone's looking to spank someone, kuzetsa's asking for it.

22:54:58 benkay: why the sad face, kuzetsa ?

22:55:26 benkay: !up HeySteve

22:55:36 benkay: dude you gotta fix your keytuation

22:55:39 HeySteve: thx benkay

22:55:57 fluffypony: someone else was struggling with it the other day

22:55:59 mircea_popescu: benkay: just to throw a spanner into the works, mircea_popescu, i imagine the d-series do not pay out in the event that the companies use XCP or some such to list << what's that again ?

22:55:59 cazalla: i don't think you can be gay and racist, at least not in australia

22:56:00 HeySteve: gribble says my OTP is incorrect but it works with altgribble. dunno what's up

22:56:02 fluffypony: The20Year I think

22:56:19 fluffypony: nanotube: is gribble's GPG auth broken?

22:56:29 fluffypony: two people reporting the same error is weird

22:56:29 mircea_popescu: fluffypony i authed just fine earlier.

22:56:32 benkay: mircea_popescu: counterparty? "colored coins" v 4.2

22:56:48 fluffypony: [2014-07-25T20:07:35+0200] <the20year> and it says the key is invalid

22:56:48 fluffypony: [2014-07-25T20:08:45+0200] <the20year> ;;gpg everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:532f4c (and so on)

22:56:49 fluffypony: [2014-07-25T20:08:49+0200] <the20year> (2:08:29 PM) gribble: Error: Incorrect one-time password. Try again.

22:56:57 mircea_popescu: benkay it also doesn't pay if the "companies" use a myspace page to "list"

22:57:03 fluffypony: HeySteve: are you seeing the same error as the20year was?

22:57:09 kuzetsa: benkay: 'cause I know well enough to know that a lot of yaoi hentai manga comics and anime are actually degrading to the idea of gay male-bodied persons being in stable, healthy relationships, and I'm a bit ashamed of my objectification-type thinking of of strangers in a pervy way which they might take offense to if they knew I was thinking that about them

22:57:22 HeySteve: yes fluffypony, exactly

22:57:32 mircea_popescu: kuzetsa you care too much. people are here for you to objectify. have fun.

22:57:40 fluffypony: HeySteve: ping nanotube about it, you're not the first person

22:57:49 HeySteve: male-bodied persons? you mean men?

22:57:56 mircea_popescu: fluffypony likely they were using a stale otp

22:57:57 HeySteve: will do, fluffypony

22:58:00 mircea_popescu: ie, not ;;eauth first

22:58:20 HeySteve: mircea_popescu, I used ;;eauth as usual

22:58:24 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: I walked through what the20year was doing, his auth flow seemed correct

22:58:36 kuzetsa: oh, is gribble having trouble with eauth / bcauth?

22:58:38 mircea_popescu: HeySteve she doesn't say men because saying men would imply they have to be fucking men, and she doesn't want to nudge a bunch of pussies towards maturity.

22:59:12 mircea_popescu: fluffypony weird.

22:59:26 HeySteve: mircea_popescu and kuzetsa, I don't like seeing awkward language to serve political purposes, it's too 1984

23:00:02 mircea_popescu: good for a laugh./

23:00:07 *: kuzetsa shrugs

23:00:11 benkay: mircea_popescu: hue

23:00:16 HeySteve: it doesn't really change anything, just makes communication confusing

23:00:39 benkay: ;;ident

23:00:39 gribble: Nick 'benkay', with hostmask 'benkay!~user@unaffiliated/benkay', is identified as user 'benkay', with GPG key id 2AFA1A9FD2D031DA, key fingerprint 4F7907942CA8B89B01E25A762AFA1A9FD2D031DA, and bitcoin address None

23:00:43 mircea_popescu: so on my box of panthers : "el tabaco te domina. dejalo".

23:00:51 mircea_popescu: if only all the subbie men looking for dommes knew this.

23:01:18 kuzetsa: HeySteve: I prefer to err on the side of sterile and verbose where being "less wordy" might result in ambiguity or leave room for interpretation

23:01:25 mircea_popescu: why ?

23:01:40 mircea_popescu: terseness is a verbosity all of its own.

23:02:19 kuzetsa: perhaps, though I've found that the formal terms for some of the ideas I often wish to express, are best done so in complete, gramatically correct sentences

23:02:24 jurov: "male-bodied persons" left me with quite a room for interpretation xD

23:02:35 HeySteve: I agree, meaning is like the sculpture within the marble, you have to chip away all the extraneous stuff

23:03:10 mircea_popescu: kuzetsa ironically, that notion got expressed in broken english.

23:03:36 kuzetsa: jurov: some people don't self-identify as "men" despite having the legal (and presumably, medical) status of a male person... I've had a lot of friends who don't have a strong sense of gender in their self-identification.

23:03:56 mircea_popescu: and you don't perceive this as a character flaw ?

23:03:59 fluffypony: when did #bitcoin-assets turn into Tumblr?

23:04:10 kuzetsa: neat

23:04:15 kuzetsa: I like this better than reddit

23:04:26 mircea_popescu: fluffypony isn't that pics only ? we has no pics.

23:04:32 jurov: .bait

23:04:34 benkay: <mircea_popescu> terseness is a verbosity all of its own. // speaking in riddles is a great way to get people to think for themselves.

23:04:36 fluffypony: :-P

23:04:52 mircea_popescu: http://31.media.tumblr.com/d08d2cf07efb8679db953857ee9273b0/tumblr_n3alwgmIrG1s4oxg5o1_500.jpg

23:04:55 mircea_popescu: there, fixed.

23:05:00 cazalla: kuzetsa, are you cis scum?

23:05:10 benkay: what a dainty little lock

23:05:20 mircea_popescu: benkay was merely a reference to yesterday's quantity / quality thing.

23:05:24 jurov: kuzetsa so you ask everyone about their self-identification first? what if they claim not to be persons at all?

23:05:54 jurov: you call them "human-shaped entity"?

23:06:02 benkay: my least favorite part of american english is the part where nouns aren't gendered.

23:06:20 mircea_popescu: who the fuck cares how people self idnetify ? all sorts of idiots self-identify as ceos of bitcoin entreprises, bitcoin investors, parts of the bitcoin community and so on and so forth ad nauseam. nobody worth two bits credits any of that self-identification crap.

23:06:43 mircea_popescu: benkay you should try russian. takes five days to figure out the genders of everything what goes in a entence.

23:06:59 kuzetsa: jurov: I've met people who self-identify some form of otherkin, and they legally still count as persons, despite a non-human self-identification... they also often accept the term "person" as being equally valid for non-human persons :P

23:07:37 benkay: mircea_popescu: gotta get my spanish more well-dialed first.

23:07:42 kuzetsa: jurov: I don't understand your point, though suspect you might be attempting a straw-man arguemnt or somesuch, or perhaps poking fun at my use of the word "person"

23:07:56 mircea_popescu: kuzetsa no, he's just gay and spunky.

23:07:58 kuzetsa: (please clarify)

23:08:04 kuzetsa: mircea_popescu: oh... that works too

23:08:06 kuzetsa: I like spunk

23:08:11 assbot: Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1SA9W2F.txt )

23:08:11 benkay: !b 1

23:08:26 kuzetsa: oh dear

23:08:26 mircea_popescu: now what's bashable about some woman liking spunk ?!

23:08:39 benkay: kuzetsa: do you have a particular bent for the genderqueer crowd?

23:08:43 kuzetsa: isn't spunk some sort of euphamism for semen or some other bodily fluid?

23:08:43 jurov: i mean, what do you do if you feel the word "person" to be loaded and demeaning

23:08:54 jurov: ?

23:09:01 DreadKnight: let the girl like spunk.

23:09:15 mircea_popescu: it's nourishing!

23:09:16 benkay: <mircea_popescu> now what's bashable about some woman liking spunk ?! // it's a good demonstration of some fundamental human characteristics.

23:09:32 benkay: constants, if you will, if such a thing can exist.

23:09:34 jurov: lol spunky. you have no idea.

23:09:52 benkay: i think perhaps mircea_popescu does have an idea

23:09:57 DreadKnight: this channel so logged and censored >_< feels a bit like a concert where everybody has phone up to film

23:10:05 DreadKnight: record* better term

23:10:05 benkay: logged and censored?

23:10:12 DreadKnight: "!b 1"

23:10:25 mircea_popescu: allow me to continue supplying hardware : http://37.media.tumblr.com/8270f7362284992d3102dbdd1a053eb8/tumblr_mycv8yoSfl1ruent2o1_500.jpg

23:10:32 mircea_popescu: DreadKnight how is it censored ?

23:10:54 kuzetsa: mircea_popescu: interesting, I guess you find BDSM to be "not unpleasant" based on the past 2 datapoints

23:10:57 DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, by removing stuff from log

23:11:10 mircea_popescu: DreadKnight that hasn't happened yet has it ?

23:11:23 DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, guess not...

23:11:35 DreadKnight: so nvm

23:11:38 kuzetsa: I'm reminded earlier about a comment someone made about women who like to be demeaned or humiliated or whatever

23:11:38 benkay: DreadKnight: http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com

23:11:38 assbot: #bitcoin-assets bash

23:11:52 mircea_popescu: meh where was that link with the girls

23:12:06 benkay: that's a pretty funny tan

23:12:09 kuzetsa: that's not the same thing as being non-consensually defamed by a stranger

23:12:20 mircea_popescu: kuzetsa http://fraudsters.com/2010/nsfw-mosu-cu-joarda/ there you go

23:12:22 assbot: NSFW - Mosu’ cu joarda pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

23:12:23 benkay: o we do consensual defamation these days?

23:12:34 benkay: implying defamation is also rape now?

23:12:38 mircea_popescu: speech requires no consent.

23:12:46 mircea_popescu: well, sex either, but that's a different story.

23:13:10 benkay: omg rape is a subcategory of sex!

23:13:14 benkay: heretic!

23:13:43 kuzetsa: mircea_popescu: I didn't know for sure, so I tossed the partial phrase: [unu’ care se pricepe la absolut tot] into google translate -- romanian?

23:13:45 mircea_popescu: no irs not. it's a kind of assault.

23:14:01 mircea_popescu: kuzetsa "one that knows everything". it's ironic, as in, he THIN?KS he does.

23:14:06 mircea_popescu: romanian does a lot of subtext like that.

23:15:29 benkay: btw y'all, don't be using bit-c

23:16:07 mircea_popescu: bit-c ?

23:17:12 kuzetsa: mircea_popescu: oooh, so is it an idiomatic non-literal phrase similar to in english, calling someone a "know-it-all" ?

23:17:24 mircea_popescu: similar.

23:17:26 *: kuzetsa nods

23:18:00 mircea_popescu: http://31.media.tumblr.com/1b2a6f5979495b9948cf7d7552a3b78b/tumblr_n4yc7cNS7R1qddd4so1_500.jpg << chicks.

23:18:19 kuzetsa: I was unable to get the entire page to play nicely with google translate

23:18:20 kuzetsa: it ended up translated to something or other about paid conent

23:18:20 benkay: ;;google bitc/bit-c

23:18:21 gribble: The BitC Programming Language: http://www.bitc-lang.org/; BitC Documentation: http://www.bitc-lang.org/docs/; bit-c/bitc · GitHub: https://github.com/bit-c/bitc

23:18:31 DreadKnight: what's with the nudes? mircea_popescu :D

23:18:32 benkay: that third one

23:18:37 benkay: ;;google bitc/bit-c

23:18:38 gribble: The BitC Programming Language: http://www.bitc-lang.org/; BitC Documentation: http://www.bitc-lang.org/docs/; bit-c/bitc · GitHub: https://github.com/bit-c/bitc

23:19:16 mircea_popescu: kuzetsa yeah fraudsters lets you see a few articles each week, then you gotta pay. much to DreadKnight's fortune, he's not yet discovered how much btc amassed into that address.

23:19:16 kuzetsa: *content, specifically: "This article is available for a fee."

23:19:28 mircea_popescu: DreadKnight b-a tradition.

23:19:36 mircea_popescu: we used to have a dedicated bot but then it was too tame or something

23:19:38 benkay: i miss ozbot

23:19:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 247 @ 0.0029 = 0.7163 BTC [-]

23:19:47 mircea_popescu: i dun recall what the issue was really

23:19:52 kuzetsa: mircea_popescu: oooh, so the google translate server farm thinger has been detected as having exceeded quota?

23:20:03 benkay: https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/24523564/china-seals-off-town-after-man-dies-of-bubonic-plague/

23:20:08 assbot: China seals off town after man dies of bubonic plague - Yahoo!7

23:20:08 mircea_popescu: kuzetsa prolly.

23:20:10 kuzetsa: makes sense, neat.

23:20:46 mircea_popescu: kuzetsa anyway, the gist of it is that some random ro blogger got caught stealing a pic off a chan and presenting it as himself assfucking the girl in question.

23:20:52 mircea_popescu: his response was that "all blogers steal"

23:21:02 DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, roger; was confused at first to see "Credits: 4" on your website, as I was thinking of the "cast" thingy like in movies; but yeah, you seem to write quite a bit about everything, so I see that working more and more with time as people get more familiar with technologies and digital currencies and become less scrubs hopefully

23:21:19 mircea_popescu: my response is this article, saying yeah, check it out, he's right. lucky me, i just stole some pictures off google which just happen to depict my own slaves. yay.

23:21:19 benkay: ;;later tell bingoboingo http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/07/23/3463562/arizonas-execution-botched/

23:21:20 assbot: Arizona's Execution Attempt Goes Horribly Wrong As Man Remains Alive Nearly 2 Hours After Injection | ThinkProgress

23:21:20 gribble: The operation succeeded.

23:21:25 HeySteve: hmm if her arms were free she'd be a better scarecrow

23:21:47 *: asciilifeform went to exercise and, as usual, missed all the goodstuff

23:22:09 benkay: i've never quite grokked what goes through the tied-up human's head when they're so tied for hours

23:22:20 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform see, exercising is bad for you

23:22:25 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: actually, aren't they derping about various russian citizens sanctions and whatnot << so far, the only effect is to make u.s. small arms collectors pay double for kalash

23:22:27 mircea_popescu: benkay so try it.

23:22:47 kuzetsa: benkay: that bit-c thing reminded me of a thing I recently came across which converts LLVM bytecode into javascript: https://github.com/kripken/emscripten/wiki

23:22:48 assbot: Home kripken/emscripten Wiki GitHub

23:22:57 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: gasenwagen... triage. <<< you failed to qualify >> so far.

23:23:20 kuzetsa: emscripten is apparently pretty mature, and has been around for a few years (next month is 4th aniversary, they already have over 10k commits in the repo and everything!!!!)

23:23:43 mircea_popescu: http://37.media.tumblr.com/fbd73d9ff41f1bf4abf73bb8ae7ae353/tumblr_mx8mknyisx1qlne6uo1_500.jpg << incidentally, this is stable. she's not ghoing anywhere.

23:24:15 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: russian way is to use same cuffs and a radiator.

23:24:23 mircea_popescu: anything heavy

23:25:42 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: my memory fails me. is there such a goddess ? >> ishtar.

23:25:48 mircea_popescu: nah

23:25:58 mircea_popescu: !up HeySteve

23:26:14 mircea_popescu: !up dbit

23:26:30 benkay: mircea_popescu: who'll do the tying tho

23:26:41 mircea_popescu: benkay you had a wife no ?

23:26:48 HeySteve: thx mircea_popescu, I left a note for nanotube on that issue.

23:26:49 benkay: past tense lol

23:27:08 benkay: hm, i suppose.

23:27:15 mircea_popescu: what, are you having her right now "?!

23:27:16 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ...count themselves as paupers << yep

23:27:30 benkay: always figured there was something to the person and the theatre of it, but perhaps a more utilitarian approach is called for

23:27:43 benkay: you joker!

23:27:44 mircea_popescu: there's no theatre in slavery or in security.

23:27:53 mircea_popescu: where theatre begins either has long ended.

23:28:19 benkay: can slavery be turned on and off?

23:28:25 mircea_popescu: once.

23:28:57 benkay: yeah.

23:29:03 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it isn't about the money, but the chain. long chain or short chain, no matter. but, if the 20k came from a mythical machine that disgorges dough, that'd be a different matter. in my book, that's a 'fortune' - because no chain.

23:29:24 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform kinda what i was trying to get across to the guy, from another angle.

23:29:59 mircea_popescu: same with the kid on my blog asking me why i'm not the one doing the romanian btc atm. well... because they won't do it on my terms and i'm not doing it on theirs. obviously.

23:30:00 asciilifeform: this is why, e.g. spammers, break their necks trying to score the 20k machine.

23:30:04 asciilifeform: they dream of escape.

23:30:17 mircea_popescu: at least ideally, sure.

23:30:24 benkay: !s benkay dream

23:30:25 assbot: 18 results for 'benkay dream' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=benkay+dream

23:30:46 benkay: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-04-2014#616283

23:30:46 assbot: #bitcoin-assets log

23:31:26 mircea_popescu: "Woe to him whom Ishtar had honoured! The fickle goddess treated her passing lovers cruelly, and the unhappy wretches usually paid dearly for the favours heaped on them. Animals, enslaved by love, lost their native vigour: they fell into traps laid by men or were domesticated by them. 'Thou has loved the lion, mighty in strength', says the hero Gilgamesh to Ishtar, 'and thou hast dug for him seven and seven pits! Thou

23:31:26 mircea_popescu: hast loved the steed, proud in battle, and destined him for the halter, the goad and the whip.'

23:31:48 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what part of that reads like "fuck me in the ass, get lsd, fuck me down the throat, get pot"

23:32:25 asciilifeform: lol

23:32:51 asciilifeform: nobody declined the chance to fuck ishtar though.

23:33:42 mircea_popescu: now how would you know that.

23:33:49 asciilifeform: well, legend.

23:33:56 mircea_popescu: it doth not say that does it ?

23:34:09 *: mircea_popescu is not exactly a middle east specialist.

23:34:09 *: asciilifeform only vaguely recalls the relevant text

23:34:26 fluffypony: holy fuck HR Giger is creepy in this documentary

23:34:45 fluffypony: he's like a creepy uncle that wants to watch you change

23:35:27 mircea_popescu: lmao wut

23:41:02 *: mircea_popescu is really curious if benkay took the implicit "so have her lock you up" as intended or simply read the neutral statemen the other way :D

23:45:58 benkay: hm? what's the other interpretation?

23:46:13 mircea_popescu: you locking her up

23:47:08 benkay: yeah no, can't imagine that answering my questions.

23:47:52 mircea_popescu: prolly not. make for decent dinner conversation for a while tho

23:50:18 benkay: myeah. plus, fun for all parties involved.

23:50:46 HeySteve: fluffypony for sure! was sad to hear of his death, really enjoy his art

23:51:02 benkay: on an ENTIRELY DIFFERENT TOPIC, mircea_popescu what sorts of events will trigger F.DERP divs?

23:51:27 mircea_popescu: mostly overcapitalisation

23:51:52 benkay: fund'll probably be around for a few years, eh?

23:54:53 kuzetsa: did I miss anything when I wandered off other than mircea_popescu ... wait, what

23:55:03 kuzetsa: fuck me in the ass, get lsd, fuck me down the throat, get pot?

23:55:17 *: kuzetsa tries to figure out the context

23:56:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7306 @ 0.0008003 = 5.847 BTC [+]

23:57:01 kuzetsa: probably just commentary or misunderstanding about some sort of confusing poetry... I hope?

23:57:49 benkay: kuzetsa: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2014&bots=true#771012

23:57:49 assbot: #bitcoin-assets log

23:58:34 jurov: so if, say, bitpay suddenly croaks, F.DERP NAV will increase by 240 BTC?

23:58:56 benkay: this depends on what we mean by NAV

23:59:13 kuzetsa: benkay: oh wow... that was an awfully large gap in context from the initial comment to the later one

23:59:26 jurov: ;;calc (1000-793)*0.24

23:59:27 gribble: 49.68

23:59:44 benkay: 50btc, which incidentally is just what's in coverage

23:59:51 benkay: now - does nav include coverage?