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00:00:09 asciilifeform: kakobrekla lying pice of shit, replacing my words in log

00:03:55 asciilifeform: how'd you like it if i had bots idle here and point every newly logged in user to #trilема.

00:04:18 kakobrekla: you dont need bots, you already do it by hand

00:05:17 kakobrekla: anyway, im not lying.

00:12:23 kakobrekla: if you see a fraud and you dont shout fraud you are a fraud, what can i tell you

00:16:13 asciilifeform: attributing words to me, that i did not utter, is plain fraud, and nukes whatever moral ground kakobrekla had any claim to.

00:17:05 kakobrekla: its not about you, its just that his particular log-reader amends one particular world to one that describes it better

00:17:25 kakobrekla: his/this

00:17:32 kakobrekla: world/word

00:17:48 kakobrekla: wake me up when i can type

00:20:44 asciilifeform: replaces, not amends

00:20:49 kakobrekla: amends.

00:21:18 asciilifeform: attributes words to me that i did not type, lying sack of shit

00:21:38 kakobrekla: i fixed it for you, you should say thank you

00:22:22 asciilifeform: https://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-07-2017#1473764 << looks same

00:22:22 assbot: Logged on 25-07-2017 15:22:52; asciilifeform: PsychoticBoy: he lives in #fraudsters, why dontcha ask him.

00:22:28 asciilifeform: in www log

00:22:36 kakobrekla: yes, i fixed the word in the log for you

00:22:58 asciilifeform: punkman et al : this is the nonsense tou stand for, by standing with this joker.

00:23:04 asciilifeform: *you

00:23:34 kakobrekla: look, you are a group of fraudsters, i feel bad sending any more innocent people there

00:23:53 asciilifeform: and so you fuck with the log.

00:24:03 asciilifeform: a new low

00:24:53 asciilifeform: have fun taking this to the logical conclusion, kakobrekla

00:24:55 kakobrekla: look at it as censoring spam

00:25:03 asciilifeform: why not remove mo entirely

00:25:06 asciilifeform: mp

00:25:11 asciilifeform: remove me next

00:25:22 asciilifeform: remove all but own idiot spew, why not

00:25:24 kakobrekla: i bet you will remove yourself soon enough

00:26:24 asciilifeform: if kakobrekla wants to be remembered as lying sack of shit with no trace of intellectual honesty - that is his choice to make.

00:26:36 kakobrekla: cry me a river

00:26:51 asciilifeform: up to now i still saw him as having a point, of sort.

00:27:12 kakobrekla: i dont care what you think :)

00:27:34 asciilifeform: gonna snip this convo from logs too?

00:27:44 kakobrekla: nah

00:27:54 kakobrekla: i dont snip anything

00:28:04 asciilifeform: again with the lying.

00:28:23 kakobrekla: what did i 'snip' again?

00:28:38 asciilifeform: bytes from my log line.

00:28:52 kakobrekla: amended.

00:29:11 asciilifeform: with name of chan where the folks who aren't lying sacks of shit, live.

00:29:37 kakobrekla: thats what you think sure

00:29:46 asciilifeform: punkman, pankkake , adlai logged in and can diff.

00:29:56 kakobrekla: diff diff!

00:30:52 asciilifeform: i find it interesting that kakobrekla took time off from his casino hookers to push this nonsense.

00:31:02 kakobrekla: it took 5 sec

00:33:33 kakobrekla: oh oh almost forgot, usg and nsa paid me to do it!!

00:33:43 kakobrekla: or whoever it was

01:18:58 kakobrekla: btw among other absurdities, for someone who only leeches from this place you give awful amount of damn over this :)

01:28:22 kakobrekla: possible exit scam on btc-e btw

01:29:23 kakobrekla: though for now i think its just incompetency

02:39:03 lobbes: https://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2017#1473776 << making assbot shout 'fraudster!' when tri.lema is mentioned would be one thing, but misrepresenting what someone said in a public log is... fraudulent! By definition

02:39:03 assbot: Logged on 26-07-2017 00:12:23; kakobrekla: if you see a fraud and you dont shout fraud you are a fraud, what can i tell you

02:39:05 lobbes: which is exactly what alf said: https://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2017#1473777

02:39:05 assbot: Logged on 26-07-2017 00:16:13; asciilifeform: attributing words to me, that i did not utter, is plain fraud, and nukes whatever moral ground kakobrekla had any claim to.

02:39:14 lobbes: you ain't making sense, kako

08:51:03 punkman: lol girl saw screen, said "wtf are they fighting about", "dunno haven't read it yet"

08:53:17 punkman: ok, that's a bit unsavoury, but points for trolling

09:23:02 adlai: testes, testes, one, two: mp mircea popescu mircea_popescu fraudsters #fraudsters fraudsters.com http://fraudsters.com

09:23:03 assbot: fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/2tYHWt8 )

09:23:27 pankkake: oh that's what it was about

09:23:50 adlai: more testicles: http://log.b-a.link/?date=26-07-2017#1473831 http://log.b-a.link/?date=26-07-2017#1473832

09:23:50 assbot: Logged on 26-07-2017 09:23:02; adlai: testes, testes, one, two: mp mircea popescu mircea_popescu fraudsters #fraudsters fraudsters.com http://fraudsters.com

09:23:50 assbot: Logged on 26-07-2017 09:23:03; assbot: fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/2tYHWt8 )

09:24:02 pankkake: why no poopescu?

09:25:38 adlai: kakobrekla: look, i had a chuckle, but this is more on the level of an "april fool's" gag. leaving this running indefinitely is just kinda... butthurt.

09:26:54 pankkake: yeah

09:27:08 adlai: fwiw, who other than mp do you consider a fraudster? iirc, nobody else stepped up to ratify mp's final bbet statement; the consensus seems to be "kako and mp can't get along, we'll lurk in one channel or the other"

09:27:45 pankkake: it's more about which delusion to follow

09:28:57 adlai: pun pact: hebrew translation of dawkins's "The God Delusion" is titled (and here i'm translating back to english, but literally rather than editorially): "Is There [a] God?", complete with question mark!

09:30:38 adlai: also it is possible to listen/read without either believing the content to be true, or even making an ironclad "author is [un]deluded" determination. some claims fall outside the audience's ability to validate.

09:43:04 punkman: adlai: how about those fucked up log lines you pointed out, are they still there?

09:45:03 adlai: which? there've been lots of fuckage. the one that chuckled me best was with the search:

09:45:11 adlai: !s from:bitcoin_charlie

09:45:12 assbot: 153 results for 'from:bitcoin_charlie' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Abitcoin_charlie

09:46:01 punkman: ah only fucked in search then

09:47:03 adlai: yeah, like how the innocent ignorami are only shielded from fraudsters in the web

11:30:02 kakobrekla: good morning kids

11:30:12 kakobrekla: the ping machine says the baby is still alive

11:34:34 kakobrekla:

11:34:34 kakobrekla: adlai, im trying to wrap my head around this; you are saying, a 'scammer' does not exist, every scam ever is "two or more parties that cant get along very well"?

11:34:38 kakobrekla: am i reading this right?

12:09:50 kakobrekla: also interesting is

12:10:03 kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-07-2017#1473500 ; http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2017#1473811

12:10:03 assbot: Logged on 22-07-2017 20:02:44; asciilifeform: hey kakobrekla why didja delinkify the links in yer log

12:10:03 assbot: Logged on 26-07-2017 00:28:38; asciilifeform: bytes from my log line.

12:10:30 kakobrekla: you do realize that linkifying will change your bytes as they come off the wire.

12:10:52 kakobrekla: and i assume you are ok with it because those can be interpreted in such a way you end up with the original string

12:11:35 kakobrekla: correct me if im wrong here, but it appears you dont have any issue with changing your bytes, because like with links, you can easily interpret #fraudsters as well

12:11:48 kakobrekla: you do have an issue with what is being changed however, and we can talk about it

12:12:40 pankkake: this is splitting hairs and is going to lead to the most boring alf/kako discussion in history

12:13:10 kakobrekla: haha

12:42:33 pankkake: https://www.deepdotweb.com/2017/07/26/major-darknet-host-hacked-data-exfiltrated/ <= another amateurish darknet marketplace. why even do that if you're not hosting yourself

12:42:33 assbot: Major Darknet Host Hacked, Data Exfiltrated - Deep Dot Web ... ( http://bit.ly/2tYQOz6 )

12:42:48 pankkake: > The hacker uploaded a text file named kek.txt

12:43:15 kakobrekla: lolwat

12:45:21 kakobrekla: gg

12:48:16 kakobrekla: TBL from W3C for DRM in HTML5

12:48:16 kakobrekla: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2017Jul/0000.html

12:48:17 assbot: Disposition of Comments for Encrypted Media Extensions and Director's decision from Philippe Le Hégaret on 2017-07-06 (public-html-media@w3.org from July 2017) ... ( http://bit.ly/2tZ5ZIq )

12:59:02 punkman: it's already there

12:59:15 kakobrekla: is it?

12:59:37 punkman: if I open spotify in firefox it says "fuck off unless you enable widevine drm" or something

12:59:38 pankkake: at this rate I'll end up using https://www.dillo.org/

12:59:38 assbot: Dillo Web Browser :: Home Page ... ( http://bit.ly/2tYGIOC )

13:04:13 kakobrekla: name is suspiciously similar to 'dildo'

13:07:17 pankkake: the internet is for porn after all

13:50:21 kakobrekla: https://medium.com/@Bixin/bixin-plans-to-share-giveaways-that-worth-more-than-10m-usd-and-calls-to-prevent-the-replay-attack-7e1de72466fb

13:50:22 assbot: Bixin plans to share giveaways that worth more than 10m USD and calls to prevent the replay attack ... ( http://bit.ly/2tZhaRc )

13:50:24 kakobrekla: hum

13:50:47 kakobrekla: bixin is apparently a pool, havent heard of them i dont think

13:52:05 kakobrekla: > Operation Manager, Chuanzhen Yu < sounds chinese

13:52:11 kakobrekla: zomg double konspiraci

14:25:22 pankkake: at this point I wonder how many people hope BCC becomes a thing just to sell it

14:25:38 pankkake: I suppose if it's worth something I'll make the effort

14:28:37 kakobrekla: https://www.viabtc.com/quot/realtime?currency=btc&dest=bcc&chart=simple

14:28:42 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/2tJLqnW )

14:28:52 kakobrekla: 0.1 per

14:31:27 pankkake: I suppose it implies leaving your btc there until the fork happens

14:32:05 kakobrekla: does it?

14:32:18 pankkake: I don't see how it could work otherwise

14:32:36 kakobrekla: you send it btc, buy bcc and wait for phork to be able to withdraw bcc

14:32:59 pankkake: oh right, in that way - but who provides the bcc? that's what I want to sell

14:33:34 pankkake: or maybe only viabtc is selling for now

14:33:50 kakobrekla: that possible

14:34:04 kakobrekla: or yeah, you lock btc if you sell bcc

16:15:46 Apocalyptic: http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-greece-russia-arrest-bitcoin-idUKKBN1AB27Y?il=0

16:15:46 assbot: Russian held over bitcoin laundering linked to BTC-e exchange - sources | Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/2tYWzg8 )

16:19:07 pankkake: it wouldn't be a normal year without an exchange fuckup. at least I'll win a bet :p

16:19:59 pankkake: 4 BILLION? how is this even possible?

16:20:13 Apocalyptic: pankkake, since 2011

16:20:19 Apocalyptic: plenty of time

16:20:57 pankkake: must be pretty serious organized crime to have those billions to launder

16:21:26 pankkake: or maybe I underestimate what they make

16:21:49 kakobrekla: maybe 4bn is all the traffic ever on btce?

16:22:05 kakobrekla: all the 'volume'

16:22:18 Apocalyptic: that would be way too low

16:22:23 kakobrekla: would it?

16:23:07 pankkake: especially with all the altcoin trading

16:23:18 Apocalyptic: early on they were doing tens of millions per day in trading volume afaik

16:23:32 Apocalyptic: across all alts paris

16:23:36 Apocalyptic: *pairs

16:29:11 scatha: dictionary: "laundering money" = moving money without declaring each and every transaction to the USG

16:29:46 scatha: so, bascially, Bitcoin transactions which would be worth today $4B have happened on BTC-e without them sending the database to the USG

16:29:53 scatha: that's how i translate the news

16:30:07 scatha: Is that correct?

16:30:52 kakobrekla: they can really know about all btc txes beforehand dissecting the server (and even then...)

16:30:56 kakobrekla: cant*

16:31:19 kakobrekla: they can bug their fiat partners about it though

16:31:58 scatha: The other big question: What business has the USG in Russia ?

16:32:36 kakobrekla: bbbut drumpf is friends with putin

16:33:19 scatha: As in "If you succumb to what I tell you, you will stay my friend" ?

16:33:52 kakobrekla: possibly

16:34:03 kakobrekla: i dont follow that show too closely

16:34:52 scatha: Well... I'm shocked, and I would even be shocked If i had no serious money sitting on that exchange, but sadly I have (yeah right sorry your loss)

16:36:42 scatha: The busts of SR and Alphabay were shocking, too, except in that case I had nothing at stake though.

16:37:00 scatha: How can the USG possibly believe they own all the Bitcoin on there?

16:39:13 kakobrekla: oh you had buttcoins there?

16:39:39 scatha: well, fiat waiting to buy back coins

16:39:50 scatha: basically.

16:40:16 kakobrekla: they only had some weird payment system for fiat-in and fiat-out iirc?

16:40:17 scatha: a huge leveraged short would have been better though- as I have been planning

16:40:41 kakobrekla: try bitmex for that

16:41:13 kakobrekla: i dont know how long they will be able to stay above water with being btc only though

16:41:26 scatha: they have muliple payment systems- and until 2015 or so it was the only exchange where you could send/receive fiat without all the "documentation/AML" annoyance

16:41:46 kakobrekla: no sepa though yea?

16:41:54 scatha: it was SEPA, yes.

16:42:00 kakobrekla: even for withdrawals?

16:42:06 kakobrekla: ah ok didnt know

16:42:33 kakobrekla: i still use otc for all my exchange needs

16:42:35 scatha: bitmex?.. not heard of it, must be new --- i have been using 1broker.com but they dropped the BTC/USD pair

16:42:40 kakobrekla: no need for dox by the law.

16:42:57 kakobrekla: not new no

16:43:04 kakobrekla: they been around for a while

16:43:17 scatha: OTC versus cash or bank balance?... if bank balance they will get suspicious if there are large transactions.

16:43:26 kakobrekla: had generally a good experience with them

16:43:47 kakobrekla: bank transfers

16:44:04 kakobrekla: they can get suspicious but, i speak for myself, am not breaking any laws

16:44:07 scatha: interesting, thanks, bitmex looks good, i'll try it

16:44:31 kakobrekla: q: "what are these txes here?"

16:44:36 kakobrekla: a: "btc otc"

16:44:43 kakobrekla: q: "a ok. carray on."

16:44:51 kakobrekla: carry*

16:45:24 scatha: Just 3 weeks ago, someone told me they have shut down his bank account for "ML" investiagion - and he had onyl 100k€ TURNOVER - not profit

16:45:38 kakobrekla: where? us?

16:45:41 scatha: Germany

16:45:45 kakobrekla: interesting

16:46:07 kakobrekla: lemme know how that goes if you will please

16:46:11 scatha: here, bank cashier was asking me what I wanted to do with the money when I withdrew only 5k€ in cash

16:46:19 scatha: they are nasty

16:47:26 kakobrekla: i got poked at once but it was basically like i described

16:47:45 scatha: and in which country are you?

16:48:01 kakobrekla: slovenia

16:48:09 scatha: beacuse, if the dialogue happens as you you tell me, it's really kewl

16:48:14 scatha: not far away :)

16:48:19 kakobrekla: nope

16:48:46 kakobrekla: its a boutique country

16:48:51 kakobrekla: maybe thats why it is like that

16:49:01 scatha: also recently, I depostied 10k€ (cash) in a bank in Hungary, they asked for passport but didn't ask where the money came from. So- still a little better than in poor old Germany.

16:49:24 kakobrekla: i actually use one german bank also

16:49:31 kakobrekla: no issues, so far.

16:49:31 scatha: But you are not German

16:49:34 kakobrekla: yea

16:49:36 scatha: so it's different.

16:49:43 scatha: They are not "responsible" for you

16:49:46 kakobrekla: :D

16:50:31 scatha: But if 100k€ turnover is an issue, I better not want to mess with the banks.

16:50:45 scatha: as in peer-to-peer sales.

16:51:25 kakobrekla: hm yeah

16:51:44 kakobrekla: sturles has been doing 200k per month in one of his accounts for years now

16:51:44 scatha: And the sheeple never even see the problem of that AML stuff. They think it's "only terrorists" they are after- it's not terrorists it's control over citizens.

16:51:51 kakobrekla: and havent had issues so far afaik

16:51:54 scatha: hmm nice :)

16:52:19 kakobrekla: they have 'personal' accounts capped at 200k

16:52:29 kakobrekla: so when he hits that he must spill over to other acc

16:52:37 scatha: :O

16:52:57 kakobrekla: yeah, arbitrary caps ftw

16:54:18 scatha: What are the "tax rules" in Slovenia ? .. Here it's still a grey area, nobody knows anything.

16:54:30 scatha: Denmark are cool! ... it's all "private"

16:54:37 kakobrekla: btc is a currency and trading currency is tax free

16:55:00 scatha: even if you don't hold for a year? .. great !

16:55:03 kakobrekla: however, get this, mining is taxed at 50% :D

16:55:11 kakobrekla: yeah you dont have to hold

16:55:14 scatha: mining is income tax?

16:55:26 kakobrekla: hm

16:55:42 scatha: thanks, that's interesting to hear

16:56:22 kakobrekla: well its classified as something that would be poorly translated as 'gainful activity'

16:56:31 kakobrekla: i dont know what would be a better term

16:56:46 kakobrekla: its stupid, nobody will report it anyway.

16:57:24 scatha: well, here it's officially tax free after 1 year holding period- but how to "prove"?.. and what if you trade altcoins?... all very complicated.

16:57:35 kakobrekla: yeah

16:57:47 scatha: i've been trying to take out as little as possible and leave everything in "crypto zone" - BitShares is great for example.

16:58:03 kakobrekla: i dunno what that is

16:58:12 kakobrekla: brb need to make some food

16:59:07 scatha: BitShares ?... it's an on-chain trading platform that was created already in the beginning of 2014 and, as opposed to Ether, WORKS because it's been through it's Alpha release stage

17:00:04 scatha: it has fully backed assets that are like futures, on USD, EUR, Silver, Gold. with enough volume to make the useful

17:00:54 scatha: also, of course, it has user-issued tokens that can be traded - similar to Omni - and it's fast

17:01:49 scatha: all on-chain tokens are denominated against Bitshares(BTS)

17:03:04 scatha: so it is perhaps like a predecessor of ETH, except it's simpler.

17:05:20 kakobrekla: how do you back stuff that is not on the blockchain

17:09:04 scatha: They are backed with a certain amount of BTS by the issuers who issue them by lending it into existence against at least a 2x amount of BTS as collateral... Any user can do that.. (( actually all this is off-topic on this channel isn't it ? ))

17:09:38 scatha: The peg has actually been holding pretty well, and long -term

17:10:06 scatha: as opposed to NuBits which had a big breakdown (no surprise, they ARE in fact structured like a Ponzi)

17:11:48 scatha: How does the system know how many BTS an USD (Silver, whatever) is worth? It's the traders that know it, and it's in their interest to stick to it because otherwise they will statistically lose

17:12:12 kakobrekla: hm

17:12:22 scatha: to everyone's surprise, it works ;)

17:12:36 kakobrekla: why would you issue a thing there?

17:12:40 kakobrekla: whats the upside

17:12:49 scatha: mostly, to bet on a rising BTC price

17:12:52 scatha: BTS* price**

17:13:00 scatha: the former, too,

17:13:19 kakobrekla: but then you can just hold bts?

17:13:41 scatha: yes, indeed- as I say I'm surprised that it works, and you are sure asking good questions.

17:14:30 kakobrekla: its not clear to me still

17:14:37 scatha: if you issue, for example, BitUSD, and BTS rises, you can later buy back your BitUSD for an even smaller amount of BTS so you have a leverage.

17:14:44 kakobrekla: also is there a central authority that takes the collateral?

17:14:52 kakobrekla: and not gives it back in case of x?

17:14:54 scatha: the central authority is the blockchain.

17:15:10 kakobrekla: in what case you lose collateral?

17:15:52 scatha: yes, in that case you lose the BTS, and the short-position is either force-closed on the market, or, if not possible, the BitUSD holder recieves BTS as last resort.

17:16:39 kakobrekla: ok but how does blockchain decide to fuck you over?

17:17:00 kakobrekla: i guess you can say go rtfm

17:17:10 scatha: that i have not fully understood.

17:18:04 scatha: they have some "feed price" whatever that means- it's calculated from previous trades i guess.

17:19:40 scatha: It's actually the earliest attempt at a decentralized market.

17:22:00 punkman: oh shit btc-e guy arrested in greece huh

17:22:51 scatha: https://bitshares.org/technology/

17:22:52 assbot: Technology - BitShares ... ( http://bit.ly/2tZtd1b )

17:22:56 punkman: they had a good run didn't they

17:23:06 scatha: punkman, have you got anything at stake on BTC-e ?

17:23:23 punkman: never used it

17:23:26 kakobrekla: yeah punkman what did you do!

17:24:08 punkman: punkman gets a haircut, exchange goes down

17:24:12 punkman: chaos!

17:24:15 kakobrekla: :D

17:24:41 kakobrekla: not the financial haircut i take it

17:25:15 scatha: "They cut my hair !" "Sorry, your loss !"

17:26:07 scatha: need to go soon, practicing for the chorus

17:27:24 kakobrekla: what kind?

17:35:36 kakobrekla: oh lol

17:35:37 kakobrekla: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/6ppeg3/btce_hacked_mt_gox/

17:35:38 assbot: BTCe hacked Mt Gox. : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/2tZGsyZ )

17:36:01 *: kakobrekla falls over

17:36:58 punkman: lol good twist

17:37:09 pankkake: :O

17:37:22 scatha: yeah right :O

17:39:38 pankkake: with looming forks and this, we're at peak drama, time for a new ATH

17:39:42 scatha: Okay. The USG goes to Greece, arrests a Russian man, and accuses him of stealing from a Japanese exchange. Yep, the USG sure is the saviour of the world. All Hail USG !

17:41:05 scatha: pankkake, yeah I suspeect an "ALL IS SAVED" rallie - till finally "reality" kicks in when everyone learns that they have gotten cheated upon. Again, and again.

17:42:04 kakobrekla: im at a loss, how does this mean rally?

17:42:19 punkman: btc runs on drama?

17:42:22 pankkake: yeah

17:42:49 kakobrekla: yeah it runs, just afaik you dont know which direction it will run to

17:42:51 pankkake: but I agree with scatha, I don't think these kind of events should affect price as it doesn't really change fundamentals or available supply (except for my theory that doesn't seem to work where huge losses should reduce the perceived supply of bitcoins and thus increase price)

17:43:42 pankkake: https://bitbet.us/bet/1348/major-bitcoin-exchange-to-screw-up-in-2017/ btw

17:43:43 assbot: BitBet - Major Bitcoin exchange to screw up in 2017 :: 1.05 B (59%) on Yes, 0.73 B (41%) on No | closing in 5 months 3 days | weight: 43`434 (100`000 to 10) ... ( http://bit.ly/2tZjMyF )

17:44:25 kakobrekla: hah

17:45:13 scatha: my major point is, that, as long as nobody knows how this particular bit of news would influence the market, whales can set an impulse, and trend followers will jump in and cry "it's because this happened!"

17:45:52 scatha: too late to bet on that one now.

17:56:15 kakobrekla: yes you leech!!

17:56:17 kakobrekla: :D

18:01:22 Apocalyptic: http://blog.wizsec.jp/2017/07/breaking-open-mtgox-1.html

18:01:22 assbot: WizSec: Breaking open the MtGox case, part 1 ... ( http://bit.ly/2tZmfsV )

18:01:35 Apocalyptic: interesting read, connecting gox, bitcoinica to btc-e

18:22:35 kakobrekla: gotta love the line going from 'mtgox (theft' to 'mtgox'

19:26:29 kakobrekla: >Update2: at the moment we are working on the restoration of service. Approximate terms from 5 to 10 days. Thanks for your understanding #btce

19:30:15 pankkake: dangerously close to two weeks

19:30:22 kakobrekla: l0l

19:49:44 scatha: Good article, Apocalyptic, yes

19:49:47 scatha: btw it's another instance of the "Russian Hackers" meme

20:04:18 scatha: Caveat: One of the first persons to propagate that article through Twitter was Charlie Shrem.

20:05:01 marginal: the great btc-e has fallen, what a shame

20:05:38 kakobrekla: its just brbing :D

20:05:57 marginal: yeah, this fud is too good to waste though

20:06:11 marginal: tons of noobs panicking right now

20:06:37 marginal: like me.. hold way too much ppc

20:08:24 kakobrekla: paypal coin?

20:08:38 kakobrekla: according to alf btc will take that role

20:08:48 kakobrekla: no need to hold a separate coin

20:29:47 scatha: kako, gimme hope, joanna

20:33:03 kakobrekla: haha

20:33:06 kakobrekla: mega song

21:48:15 kakobrekla: https://blog.bitrefill.com/bitrefill-statement-on-bitcoin-cash-8d74f398007c

21:48:17 assbot: Bitrefill statement on Bitcoin Cash – Bitrefill Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/2tL2aLG )

21:48:17 kakobrekla: more of same

21:49:23 kakobrekla: its gonna be a race-to-sell

21:59:35 kakobrekla: https://www.bitcoin.com/public-service-announcement

21:59:35 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/2tLmDA9 )

21:59:35 kakobrekla: lol

21:59:41 kakobrekla: We trust that our fellow community members will also behave with integrity and uphold agreements made, but in the unlikely event that the 2MB block size increase portion of Segwit2x fails to activate, Bitcoin.com will immediately shift all company resources to supporting Bitcoin Cash exclusively.

21:59:45 kakobrekla: fucking ver

21:59:59 kakobrekla: doing more harm than good since ever

23:37:39 scatha: Might be already "war on cryptocurrencies". They are really not acting fair any more.

23:38:02 kakobrekla: they be who?

23:38:24 scatha: "The war on drugs created more drugs. The war on terror created more terror. Let's see what happens when they go for money!"

23:38:34 kakobrekla: heh

23:38:37 scatha: "they" is most likely US agents and allies.

23:41:52 scatha: to me, it's unclear whether market opening is the best time to sell so-called "bitcoin cash" - it could go down at first because sellers, then get pumped

23:42:43 kakobrekla: yeah

23:42:56 kakobrekla: it will pump at peak FUD or when 2x part of segwit fails