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00:00:14 [\]: Ukyo: I ask because I thought bf was a belize corp too, no?

00:02:43 Ukyo: No.

00:02:55 Ukyo: And I do not believe the corporation location has anything to do with BTCT

00:03:00 Ukyo: and its closings

00:03:12 [\]: oh, fair enough

00:03:20 Graet: one unique thing about bf is it is attempting to be legal, most others seem to ignore that bit

00:03:46 [\]: well, supposedly glbse was too at one point

00:08:38 jurov: Ukyo: do you have any time frame with this? it seems you are waiting with api for something

00:09:55 Ukyo: I have been in contact with government ministers who are intersted in meeting in person

00:11:53 jurov: so these meetings did not eve take place yet?

00:11:58 jurov: *even

00:12:35 Graet: real worl moves at real world speed, unlike bitcoin that lives in accelerated time

00:13:28 [\]: aye

00:13:31 jurov: i know, i'm doing similar research... but here at least it looks close to some conclusion

00:17:27 Ukyo: :)

00:19:26 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2013/mpex-security-breach/

00:19:29 ozbot: MPEx security breach pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

00:21:23 Ukyo: ouch, sucks. good luck with that

00:42:15 mod6: mircea_popescu: thanks for the update.

00:47:29 mircea_popescu: mod6 yeah.

00:49:56 kakobrekla: !jd

00:49:56 jurov: yes, thanks...with more details than i expected

00:50:53 mircea_popescu: jurov : let me point out that your brilliant idea with the tracking made my life a lot easier at this juncture.

00:51:32 jurov: good

00:51:56 kakobrekla: been kinda fun to follow jd and drama

00:52:54 mircea_popescu: o hey nice. is that new ?

00:53:03 kakobrekla: right out the oven.

00:53:40 [\]: ding!

00:53:48 jurov: 139.58 mio bets < that's 30 days or what?

00:54:08 kakobrekla: afaik its all

00:54:39 kakobrekla: {"bets":139582694,"wagered":201243839608995,"invested":3278856214891,"profit":-216145796359}

00:54:50 kakobrekla: !jd

00:55:42 [\]: hot damn

00:55:45 DiabloD3: http://qz.com/128442/once-again-the-winklevoss-twins-get-beaten-to-launching-their-big-idea-a-bitcoin-trust/

00:55:45 kakobrekla: dunno seems about right

00:55:46 DiabloD3: uh

00:55:47 [\]: losing money by the minute

00:55:48 ozbot: Once again the Winklevoss twins get beaten to launching their big idea: a bitcoin trust – Quartz

00:55:49 DiabloD3: didnt they ALREADY launch it?

00:56:02 [\]: probably talked about it

00:56:05 [\]: and then someone else did it

00:56:07 [\]: sorta like facebook

00:56:44 VanCleef: satoshi nakamoto stole the bitcoin idea off winkletoss twins

00:57:12 [\]: the winklevoss twins ARE satoshi

00:58:12 mircea_popescu: [\\\] they filed, but it went nowhere. as predicted.

00:58:17 DiabloD3: whats the plural of satoshi

00:58:19 DiabloD3: satoshii?

00:58:32 [\]: no

00:58:40 [\]: satoshun

00:59:03 DiabloD3: satoshes

00:59:12 jurov: twinklevosi

00:59:12 DiabloD3: actually

00:59:22 DiabloD3: I bet the plural is

00:59:24 DiabloD3: satoshi

00:59:28 DiabloD3: singular plural

00:59:34 jurov: oh the horror "One bitcoin day trader told Quartz he has to trade through a Japanese bank and show up in person at the bank’s New York headquarters to move his money to a US bank account."

01:00:30 kakobrekla: its a substitute for the real thing for americans

01:00:37 kakobrekla: let em have it

01:00:46 kakobrekla: suckas.

01:01:07 [\]: its all fun and games until you're labelled an axis of evil

01:16:43 KRS1: kick ass..some oriental guy in China grew a second nose on his forehead..neat.

01:17:20 KRS1: if i would grow something it'd be a second pecker..the chicks would dig it.

01:21:36 DiabloD3: on his forehead?

01:21:59 DiabloD3: we could call him droopy unicorn

02:01:52 Duffer1: i have an extra steam key for March of the Eagles, free to anyone that will actually play it

02:02:06 KRS1: pic: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/09/25/china-transplant-nose-forehead/2871369/

02:03:33 mircea_popescu: not bad.

02:14:05 Vexual: mp, i made a gybe about the condition of the ropework on your rented dhow in the bore-ums. this was before I learned of your security breach. sorry

02:15:39 mircea_popescu: lol so what's the big deal

02:24:30 Vexual: there was no snide double meaning, the ropework on that boat is fucked.

02:24:47 mircea_popescu: hehe k.

02:41:36 mircea_popescu: dexX7 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=271711.msg3233064#msg3233064 lol

02:43:29 dexX7: :D

02:43:35 mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gx4jn77VKlQ lmao

02:43:37 ozbot: Cartman Respect My Authoritah - South Park - YouTube

03:01:14 mircea_popescu: Last Wednesday, the Fed announced that it would not be tapering its bond buying program. This news was released at precisely 2 pm in Washington ?as measured by the national atomic clock.? It takes 7 milliseconds for this information to get to Chicago. However, several huge orders that were based on the Fed?s decision were placed on Chicago exchanges 2-3 milliseconds after 2 pm. How did this happen ?

03:02:00 kakobrekla: mhm

03:02:05 kakobrekla: happens all the time

03:05:53 Vexual: are the chicago exchanges measured with the same clock?

03:09:00 [\]: yes

03:09:04 [\]: usually it takes 7ms

03:09:16 [\]: they executed in 2ms

03:09:26 [\]: which means someone had the know and scheduled it ahead of the release

03:12:00 Vexual: usually it takes a bot 7ms to act on the info?

03:12:24 dexX7: i'm wondering.. how does it work anyway? do news agencies push news and trading systems use text analysis tools to extract information to trigger a trading decision?

03:12:58 dexX7: 7 ms equals the time the information needs to propagate

03:13:16 dexX7: = to transfer

03:15:24 Vexual: private fibre

03:16:15 mircea_popescu: Vexual speed of light is an absolute cap

03:17:02 Vexual: shall we do the sums?

03:17:52 KRS1: is this a riddle?

03:18:58 KRS1: Washington is in the eastern time zone and chicago is central time zone..it took one hour + 2ms for the trade to execute

03:19:01 dexX7: ;;calc 957550/299792458

03:19:29 KRS1: heh

03:19:44 truffles: time zones matter for the pc stuff nowadays

03:19:44 dexX7: air line, speed of light

03:23:47 Vexual: wait..

03:24:50 kakobrekla: its inside info

03:24:59 kakobrekla: is what it is

03:25:23 kakobrekla: and it happens all teh time

03:25:32 dexX7: nah, just a lucky trader

03:26:37 truffles: luck? tis not the casino

03:26:38 Vexual: what would it mean to make those trades before the announcement, knowing that was the time of the announcemnt?

03:27:33 dexX7: truffles: i wasn't serious :)

03:39:49 Vexual: It could be "Yeah we've got private fibre, but think hard before point your bots at us"

03:43:20 truffles: wont let me read it, bad gateway!

03:43:23 truffles: new link

03:44:08 truffles: wanted to check if bitcoin has its own blackbox issues now too

04:39:53 benkay: ;;seen mircea_popescu

04:40:31 benkay: mircea_popescu: u got breechzord! only soln is distributed asschanges!

04:42:27 mircea_popescu: lol

04:45:02 VanCleef: he tried to hack mpex but realised noone was using it

04:47:03 mircea_popescu: word.

05:16:52 benkay: america

05:16:56 benkay: where we give children ipads

05:17:14 benkay: and then put silly, ineffectual locks on it

05:17:37 benkay: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/09/25/program-halted-after-la-students-breach-school-ipads-security-in-week/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+foxnews%2Fnational+%28Internal+-+US+Latest+-+Text%29

05:17:39 ozbot: Program halted after LA students breach school iPads' security in a week | Fox News

05:17:48 benkay: "breach" "security"

05:20:44 Graet: lol

05:21:17 thestringpuller: 2626

05:21:21 thestringpuller: 131464895

05:26:47 Duffer1: TerraHash is dissolving

05:52:48 mircea_popescu: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/43/Who_needs_a_virtual_world%3F.jpg

05:52:59 mircea_popescu: the cruelty of including flavoured lubricated condoms with that...

05:53:08 mircea_popescu: what, for the guy's finger ?

06:02:32 truffles: hi ChaangNoi

06:07:09 MilkyLep: amazing company?

06:07:31 truffles: eek

06:07:41 MilkyLep: assbot says buy more shares!

06:07:54 truffles: of

06:13:47 MilkyLep: Why are people selling?!?! They will have 20TH any week now!

06:13:56 MilkyLep: Then 500TH in months!

06:16:49 dexX7: sub ipo in 3

06:16:53 dexX7: ... not yet

06:17:05 dexX7: 26054 shares :)

06:18:51 Vexual: 2,1

06:18:53 Namworld: subIPO

09:19:47 San1ty_: Hi guys, I want to do an internal asset transfer at BTC-TC what do I fill in in the value/share box?

09:19:58 San1ty_: what impact does it have if I fill in 0.0?

09:21:30 BTCOxygen: San1ty_: IMO, You should put the current asset price there.

09:21:43 San1ty_: BTCOxygen: Thank you very much

09:21:50 BTCOxygen: yw

10:31:33 pankkake: http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/2013/09/26/winklevoss-twins-get-beaten-launching-big-idea-bitcoin-trust/

10:31:37 ozbot: Once again the Winklevoss twins get beaten launching their big idea: a bitcoin trust - Cryptocurrenc

12:22:54 kakobrekla: http://www.slightlywarped.com/crapfactory/curiosities/2013/august/maps_that_will_change.htm

12:32:57 kakobrekla: !jd

12:35:23 kakobrekla: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=301645.msg3237421#msg3237421

12:35:26 kakobrekla: is this real world?

12:35:29 ozbot: MPEx Security Breach

14:26:17 the20year1: How is havelock volume compared to bitfunder?

14:28:23 pankkake: lower, but I think it's going to change a lot

14:28:58 the20year1: I was sort of looking at co-listing on another exchange outside of BF , and was gonna go the BTCT route, but that's no longer an option

14:42:39 pankkake: ;;bc,stats

14:53:13 pankkake: is the private bet stuff new?

14:53:31 kakobrekla: its been on for a day or two

14:54:15 pankkake: it's a good idea, expensive but I get why

14:54:27 kakobrekla: how is it expensive?

14:54:35 pankkake: "YOU SHOULD TAKE A SIDE WITH MIN 5 BTC BET"

14:54:59 kakobrekla: that costs you 0.05

14:55:53 pankkake: it means I can't bet 0.1 BTC with a friend. which is normal, because it would cost too much for bitbet to resolve

14:56:10 kakobrekla: ah well yea

14:59:23 kakobrekla: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=301635.0;topicseen

14:59:30 ozbot: [ANN] Ripple is officially open-source w/link

15:00:41 kakobrekla: > misterbigg > I think we're going to see a lot of old posts and websites getting updated with retractions regarding "Ripple is not open source" now. Especially since they are liable for slander (libel?) otherwise.

15:00:46 kakobrekla: LMAFOAO

15:00:56 pankkake: "But that's the whole point of open-sourcing: It's one thing we can do to help keep us honest. I believe as long as we continue to live up to our promises, work hard and provide value to users, they will continue to use our network." I must agree

15:01:28 pankkake: "As far as the original network is concerned we will continue to recommend our own validators for the time being" eh…

15:02:20 mircea_popescu: lmao

15:02:47 pankkake: somehow people think it's going to make XRP more valuable. it should be the exact contrary, especially after the first fork happens

15:03:30 jcpham: go ripples

15:04:18 mircea_popescu: yeah ideally i'd like to see someone fork that shit thus taking out of the pie idiots like coinscam, inc or w/e it's called.

15:04:30 mircea_popescu: hell, i might even look into it if it were maintained by someone reputable.

15:04:31 pankkake: RippleLabs now!

15:05:01 pankkake: the idea is interesting. the security has to be looked into first

15:05:17 kakobrekla: just change their PoS to sha256 PoW and merge it

15:05:39 mircea_popescu: pankkake yes kakobrekla yes.

15:05:52 mircea_popescu: somebody's gotta do it tho. preferably somebody with a clue, and who isn't a "ceo".

15:06:15 pankkake: and you need maybe like one big exchange adopting it to kill Ripple

15:06:15 Scrat: ripple is shit

15:06:26 pankkake: :D

15:08:34 mircea_popescu: Scrat im not sure the protocol couldn't be salvaged into something useful

15:08:37 mircea_popescu: you see something i don't ?

15:10:21 Scrat: i meant the current incarnation, not the old ripple

15:10:58 kakobrekla: it started

15:10:59 kakobrekla: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=301833.0

15:11:04 ozbot: [ANN] The First Official Ripple Fork Development - NetPay (Join the development)

15:11:28 pankkake: ripple is finished!

15:13:00 mircea_popescu: We will need:

15:13:01 mircea_popescu: - Developers

15:13:01 mircea_popescu: - Logo designs

15:13:01 mircea_popescu: - Promoters

15:13:06 zoinky: lol

15:13:17 mircea_popescu: some forum dork with 0 cred "starting" a project which other people may actually work on doesn't count.

15:13:22 mircea_popescu: i mean someone, rather than nobody.

15:13:28 pankkake: I love how logo design is a thing as important as developers

15:13:42 mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?PHPSESSID=t01g683j9jtq8hho25kf7oul65&topic=301833.msg3239442#msg3239442

15:13:43 mircea_popescu: lol

15:13:46 ozbot: [ANN] The First Official Ripple Fork Development - NetPay (Join the development)

15:13:59 mircea_popescu: pankkake this is how retards think.

15:14:12 pankkake: this is how altcoins work though

15:14:18 pankkake: logo + name is everything

15:14:27 mircea_popescu: they want to make a new car, they put out the orders by part weight. thus rearview mirror looking like mercedes' is 10x as important as injectors looking like mercedes'

15:14:33 kakobrekla: lol pankkake

15:14:43 kakobrekla: we need bash.bitcoin-ass....

15:14:51 mircea_popescu: because rearview mirror is 10x as big, not to mention how much more visible it is.

15:15:18 pankkake: I was using a quote bot elsewhere, but it crapped out

15:15:27 pankkake: so now I'm procrastining on writing a very simple one

15:23:11 pankkake: when the New Bet form does validate, it forgets the "place your bet on" part

15:23:54 pankkake: and I didn't check again, so here's why there's a second submission

15:24:39 mircea_popescu: o look! digitalindustry, a full [community] member has made a contribution : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?PHPSESSID=t01g683j9jtq8hho25kf7oul65&topic=301833.msg3239746#msg3239746

15:24:56 mircea_popescu: it's a logo, looking about as geenric as it could, and therefore it's a start!

15:25:04 mircea_popescu: also, he's tried and therefore nobody should criticize him.

15:28:07 kakobrekla: pankkake?

15:29:00 kakobrekla: the initial bet is optional

15:29:09 pankkake: kakobrekla: I did put 1 days before resolution, which is invalid; so I got the form again, with all my data except "PLACE YOUR BET ON" which was removed

15:29:39 mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=301833.msg3239971#msg3239971

15:29:42 pankkake: I know, but I set it before submitting the form, and it was forgotten

15:29:43 mircea_popescu: "Then why has it never happened for ripplepay? Why am I not paying a fee to download or upload Ubuntu ISO? Why am I not paying a fee to access this page and submit a post?"

15:29:45 ozbot: [ANN] The First Official Ripple Fork Development - NetPay (Join the development)

15:29:50 mircea_popescu: dude, pay-to-post btctalk would be rad.

15:29:59 kakobrekla: ah i see pankkake ill take a look

15:30:32 pankkake: unless I forgot to put my address in and it was removed because of that. not sure

15:32:42 kakobrekla: its not that

15:41:51 Apocalyptic: "For this task I accept just members of bitcointalk that have at least 150 post (Sorry newbies but I need expert people)" btctalk at its best

15:43:16 mircea_popescu: lol

15:43:17 mircea_popescu: ahahah

15:51:53 jcpham: 150 post is serious rep

15:51:59 jcpham: hard to deny it

15:54:03 pankkake: post one message in each altcoin giveaway and you have 150 posts in an hour :)

15:56:23 mircea_popescu: didn't theswede guy make 5k posts in am onth ?

15:56:49 pankkake: pretty much. and stupid ones

15:57:34 jcpham: i've got like 32 posts now

15:58:05 mircea_popescu: are you reesesing now ?

15:58:37 mircea_popescu: also, allow me to introduce new moustachecoin venture capital firm and projects, with facehair ceos of pro :

15:58:38 mircea_popescu: http://petapixel.com/2013/09/21/quirky-portraits-national-beard-mustache-championships/

16:01:11 pankkake: some are really disgusting looking to me - not bad looking, disgusting

16:01:24 mircea_popescu: odd

16:02:07 mircea_popescu: I have insider info and they WON'T deliver in September. Again: best case scenario beginning of October. To the guy who asked why I don't bet big to NO: because the risk/reward is too low for me, and I mean that the risk of trusting a substantial amount of coins to a third party (BITBET) opaquely operated by a scumbag (Mircea Popescu) is not worth the risk given the low odds (EG: betting 100BTC to NO pays 107.49182167

16:02:12 mircea_popescu: - too low).

16:02:36 mircea_popescu: this is precious. guy with "insider info" has ideas who's a scumbag.

16:03:19 mircea_popescu: leaving aside the lol of "mp operates bitbet" and "a webiste which displays its db is opaque"

16:04:02 pankkake: 7% in a few days isn't "too low"

16:04:42 mircea_popescu: he's holding out for 7% a week.

16:06:28 kakobrekla: he would have to sell his labcoin shares to gather 100btc anyway

16:06:57 mircea_popescu: wait. you can sell those ?!

16:07:07 kakobrekla: i presume so

16:07:23 pankkake: 270 BTC in orders, still

16:08:09 pankkake: there's one guy bidding for a satoshi per share, I hope he gets them eventually

16:09:47 mircea_popescu: thermodynamics requires he does.

16:10:42 pankkake: btctctct closes trading the 7th I think?

16:23:10 kakobrekla: neobee is not trading at 300% ipo price yet, not an amazing company at all

16:23:24 kakobrekla: lets dump

16:25:41 pankkake: they're not even mining!

16:26:50 kakobrekla: and a whole week without dividends

16:46:08 kakobrekla: http://www.fixedgearswitzerland.com/?p=1993

16:46:14 ozbot: /// Fixed Gear Switzerland » Rossin 80′s calendar ///

17:08:28 kakobrekla: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=301645.msg3240966#msg3240966

17:08:33 ozbot: MPEx Security Breach

17:12:55 thestringpuller: mpex got haxxxed

17:12:59 thestringpuller: I WONDER WHO DID IT

17:13:00 thestringpuller: :)

17:17:29 mircea_popescu: southpark did it.

17:21:06 nanotube: hm mpex down?

17:24:31 mircea_popescu: nanotube http://fraudsters.com/2013/mpex-security-breach/

17:28:01 mircea_popescu: so is anyone going to pick up their knc miner this weekend ?

17:29:06 VanCleef: southpark ripping on people crying about nsa today was funny

17:29:34 VanCleef: alec baldwin stuff was win

17:30:01 nanotube: mircea_popescu: yea i saw that. just that yesterday there was a placeholder page saying "we're down" and now it isn't even loading.

17:30:12 mircea_popescu: well yes.

17:30:16 mircea_popescu: this is intentional.

17:31:04 nanotube: also, funny how they managed to impersonate you. hope that you have apprised your cooperators that in the future they should only trust it is you if you can sign a one time challenge. :)

17:31:25 nanotube: ;;ident mircea_popescu

17:31:41 nanotube: see, e.g. i don't believe it is you :)

17:33:27 mircea_popescu: well ok, lemme log in then.

17:33:47 mircea_popescu: ;;eauth mircea_popescu

17:37:45 mircea_popescu: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:b68f8441da4759d98be420e10eb6b404531e129579864fb00d010dba

17:38:08 mircea_popescu: nanotube you know, security/convenience.

17:38:27 mircea_popescu: for instance for irc banter the fact i'm logged in with nickserv is enough for most people.

17:40:36 kakobrekla: since when does it matter for mp what most people think ?

17:40:50 mircea_popescu: lol

17:41:30 imsaguy: one could assume that if a password for nickserv is compromised, that a gpg password is also compromised.

17:42:07 mircea_popescu: well one can assume the world doesn't exist at all

17:42:20 imsaguy: my assumption is reasonable, your is not.

17:42:21 kakobrekla: yeah lets start from there

17:43:04 mircea_popescu: i happen to use different processes for keyring pw and nickserv pw. i guess this isn't necessarily true for everyone

17:43:42 mircea_popescu: anyway, why's the "no world" assumption unreasonable ?

17:49:25 pigeons: i'd like to know if an impression of mircea_popescu's mannerisms was part of the impersonation, and if it is recorded

17:49:30 nanotube: mircea_popescu: right, if you're just talking and there are no important decisions being made, nickserv auth is sufficient. but for giving out root login to a server.... not really.

17:49:43 nanotube: pigeons: yea, i want to know how to make a convincing mircea impression too. :)

17:49:47 mircea_popescu: nanotube you know irc was not involved in any way.

17:49:53 nanotube: mircea_popescu: yes

17:49:57 mircea_popescu: and those records are permanently sealed.

17:50:17 nanotube: well, i assumed that much, though i didn't /know/. :)

17:50:37 mircea_popescu: :p

17:50:38 nanotube: aw sad times. :P gl getting the stuff back in order.

17:50:42 pigeons: has anybody questioned rich little?

17:51:10 mircea_popescu: nanotube it's really not that bad, taking advantage of the offtime to do a laundry list of n things that needed to be done but well we can't do cause offline.

17:51:33 mircea_popescu: ccp resets eve each day, mpex ran straight for a while.

17:51:52 nanotube: makes sense, take advantage of the downtime.

17:51:55 mircea_popescu: pigeons lol srsly.

17:56:44 jcpham: can i have root now?

17:56:48 jcpham: he's authed

17:57:12 jcpham: i skimmed and that's all i got from that conversation

17:57:32 mircea_popescu: yes you can have root. here :

17:57:33 mircea_popescu: root

18:00:06 jcpham: pigeons let's bitbet on those rota dues

18:00:29 jcpham: we should hedge against mircea_popescu deciding against himself

18:02:13 pigeons: what's this?

18:02:21 mircea_popescu: treachery!

18:02:39 jcpham: let's bet that mircea_popescu won't pay the 100 BTC or so in his failed rota experiment thing

18:02:47 jcpham: i forget al the details but it's on the internet

18:03:12 jcpham: that's a decemberish bet

18:03:18 mircea_popescu: what do you get if you win ?

18:03:31 jcpham: probably nothing

18:03:38 jcpham: or something

18:03:43 jcpham: one of the two

18:05:20 pigeons: i thought he paid

18:05:47 jcpham: maybe I missed something

18:06:11 pigeons: oh pay the judges the yearly honorarium or whatever? i thought he paid wences who won his claim

18:06:20 jcpham: I'm greedy and when people say they will give me something i usually hold them to it

18:06:31 pigeons: and he paid the judges fees for that case, i see you mean the rest of it

18:06:32 jcpham: otherwise why stay on irc

18:06:46 pigeons: yes that's what irc is for

18:07:10 jcpham: serve out my irc sentence

18:07:21 pigeons: anyway use betsofbitco not bitbet, he can just cheat there ;)

18:07:28 jcpham: HAHAHA

18:16:32 mircea_popescu: to keep people amused : meanwhile we found a hole in WHM 11.? for centos. I think I get to write extensively about it later.

18:22:58 jcpham: pretty sure centos is the problem

18:25:33 pankkake: WHM? who would use that thing :/

18:26:23 mod6: fbsd ftw

18:27:00 mircea_popescu: pankkake i suspect most of the internet is on whm

18:27:00 jcpham: i do a lot with freenas lately so i'll not hate on freebsd

18:27:17 pankkake: I remember the webmin days

18:27:41 mod6: jcpham: is there another reason that you'd hate on freebsd?

18:27:46 pankkake: oh well it seems to still exist. I saw it removed from my distro because of security issues but it seems back

18:27:56 jcpham: compiling ports sucks

18:28:02 mod6: pff gtfo

18:28:06 jcpham: everything is old and ass backwards

18:28:21 jcpham: but other than that it's fine

18:28:26 mod6: >.>

18:28:44 pigeons: compiling ports doesnt suck, pkg_build or whatever?

18:28:47 pankkake: freebsd has bin ports too right?

18:29:01 jcpham: i thought everything had to be compiled

18:29:07 jcpham: it's been awhile for me

18:29:11 jcpham: maybe freebsd 5

18:29:13 pankkake: though my old freebsd is stuck on ports updates because it is annoying even with a tool

18:29:23 jcpham: then everything turned debian and i never looked back

18:29:44 pankkake: I'm thinking of using Debian kFreeBSD for this machine

18:29:59 pigeons: GNU\Hurd

18:30:13 mod6: you can just use pkg_add if you really want to use binaries. i like to compile from src cause i guess im just more ninja.

18:31:32 kakobrekla: hmm

18:31:37 kakobrekla: labcoin 0007

18:31:40 kakobrekla: is that high or low?

18:32:00 pankkake: pigeons: that would be hipsterism. my use of freebsd is for actual reasons

18:32:03 dexX7: all time low

18:32:57 kakobrekla: now it is.

18:41:04 mod6: anyway, the ports system is one of the best parts of freebsd

18:42:29 mircea_popescu: mod6 oh srsly ?

18:43:27 mod6: ya

18:43:38 thestringpuller: bitches come and go

18:43:39 mircea_popescu: good for you!@

18:43:49 thestringpuller: money come and go

18:43:54 thestringpuller: love come and go

18:44:49 mod6: thx!

18:45:03 pankkake: I like Gentoo ebuilds better :)

18:46:19 joecool: same

18:47:34 jcpham: mod6 jcpham is a hater

18:48:14 mod6: ;]

18:49:54 jcpham: so mpex had the bomb uploaded

18:49:57 mircea_popescu: he's just butthurt cause his muzak sux

18:50:03 jcpham: all proxies were hacked?

18:50:10 moosehacker: lab coin is at bottom heh

18:50:17 jcpham: what happened

18:50:49 mircea_popescu: jcpham you missed the link earlier ?

18:51:05 jcpham: i think i was reading it and then fraudsters took a dump

18:51:42 joecool: jcpham: gj you accidentally the site

18:52:12 jcpham: "this webpage is not avaialable" is what netscape navigator 3.0 says

18:52:25 joecool: you should be using mosaic

18:52:28 jcpham: let's just traceroute fraudsters shall we

18:52:53 jcpham: i've got some serious upstream routing issues

18:53:07 jcpham: think the nsa screwed up a routing rule

18:53:09 mircea_popescu: jcpham http://pastebin.com/wpwxkbtW

18:53:23 jcpham: bitcointalk.com traceroutes fail an a border router

18:53:28 jcpham: few other domains now

18:53:35 jcpham: erm .org

18:53:36 mircea_popescu: there's a storm atm.

18:54:22 jcpham: yeah whatever is going on it's like 10+ hops deep and a few isps after mine

18:54:24 jcpham: so....

18:54:38 jcpham: fuck the internet today

18:54:43 phungus: heh

18:54:52 phungus: FUCK THAT INTERNET JCPHAM

18:54:54 phungus: GET IT GET IT

18:54:55 jcpham: boom

18:54:57 jcpham: 11 207.210.114.182 (207.210.114.182) 191.194 ms 191.984 ms 203.229 ms

18:54:57 jcpham: 12 * * *

18:54:57 jcpham: 13 * * *

18:55:02 jcpham: 11 hops no fraudsters

18:55:10 jcpham: i say again

18:55:13 jcpham: fuck the internet today

18:55:25 phungus: GET IT GET IT

18:55:32 phungus: wow it's the Goat

18:55:42 phungus: I have a few of those

18:55:46 jcpham: ChaangNoi how are your internets

18:55:53 jcpham: is mosaic displaying the websites for you

18:55:57 phungus: Mosaic

18:55:58 phungus: lol

18:56:00 phungus: I remember that

18:56:06 jcpham: i can't gopher:// anywhere

18:56:41 phungus: NetScape was huge when it came out

18:56:45 phungus: cause all we had was Mosaic

18:56:59 mod6: i used to use that back in like '94. UofM had a ton of stuff to read on there.

18:57:03 mod6: (gopher)

18:57:53 jcpham: 90's LANs > 2013 internet

18:57:57 mircea_popescu: 200 ms lol

18:58:09 jcpham: it's terrible

18:58:13 mod6: the "web" was awesome when it was just text. no having your brain mezmorized by flashy ads while trying to read, etc.

18:58:14 phungus: or Lynx

18:58:15 phungus: I was managing NCSA httpd back then

18:58:15 phungus: before Apache was mainstream

18:58:25 jcpham: i dunno what's going on but some routes are horrific

18:58:36 mircea_popescu: mod6 yes but then we had to include everyone.

18:58:43 mircea_popescu: and everyone cnat raed.

18:58:48 jcpham: yeah the flashy ads need to go

18:58:50 mod6: heheh

18:59:09 jcpham: the ads that play sound and video and i can't find them grind my gears

18:59:52 mod6: omg the ones that yell at you are the worst at like 3am when ur coding and its like "YAAAAAAH!"

18:59:57 jcpham: try to ad block ads...they find another way

19:00:17 jcpham: scumbag internet wants to sell me something

19:00:36 mod6: yeah, adp works pretty good for me usually.

19:00:55 jcpham: http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail.html

19:01:36 mod6: hahah

19:01:44 jcpham: at least this site loads

19:01:50 phungus: what a pusher

19:01:50 phungus: (the internet)

19:02:17 phungus: is bitcointalk really in the netherlands?

19:02:49 phungus: 11 AS5580.edge5.Atlanta2.Level3.net (4.28.26.14) 55.544 ms 53.107 ms 55.569 ms

19:02:52 phungus: 12 eth3-2.r1.chi1.us.atrato.net (78.152.34.197) 56.842 ms 59.511 ms 52.542 ms

19:02:55 phungus: 13 eth1-4.core1.nyc1.us.atrato.net (78.152.34.149) 69.539 ms 67.386 ms 68.286 ms

19:02:58 phungus: 14 eth1-5.core1.lon1.uk.atrato.net (78.152.44.134) 139.153 ms 135.351 ms 139.482 ms

19:03:01 phungus: 15 eth7-8.core1.ams2.nl.atrato.net (78.152.44.156) 151.634 ms 147.359 ms 151.583 ms

19:03:04 phungus: 16 eth9-1.r1.ams2.nl.atrato.net (78.152.44.95) 224.654 ms 148.772 ms 159.584 ms

19:03:07 phungus: then it starts to timeout

19:03:17 jcpham: something like that here

19:03:18 phungus: that hop from nyc to the uk sux

19:04:07 jcpham: i'm supposed to start peering with another isp soon

19:04:33 mircea_popescu: anyway, i can reach fraudsters right now

19:04:36 mircea_popescu: anyone check ?

19:04:38 phungus: I wish BitVPS was hosted in a carrier neutral facility

19:04:43 phungus: so we could do that

19:04:54 mircea_popescu: phungus these exist ?

19:04:58 phungus: oh yeah

19:04:59 phungus: Equinix

19:05:06 phungus: etc

19:05:09 jcpham: Error establishing a database connection

19:05:22 mircea_popescu: lmao much better

19:05:23 mircea_popescu: mkay.

19:08:48 jcpham: site loaded

19:08:55 jcpham: i click refresh 100 times

19:10:28 thestringpuller: ;;google mpex.co

19:12:31 mircea_popescu: lol now i find out why im peaking. jcpham was there on a datacenter pipe running around mashing f5

19:14:15 jborkl: wait, mircea you want us just to hit f5 a bunch on the fraudsters site?

19:14:53 jborkl: :)

19:15:47 joecool: keep slamming F5, will get results

19:19:18 mod6: perl -e 'use LWP::Simple; while(1) {$res=get("http://goatse.fr"); print "$res\n";}'

19:21:16 mircea_popescu: lol

19:21:32 pankkake: there is a conspiracy to prevent me to bet against labcoin :|

19:21:34 mod6: :D

19:24:35 pankkake: I wonder if it would have passed without the text I added to try to make it pass

19:27:10 pankkake: oh goatse.fr is back. I thought they got lawyered

19:28:48 pankkake: maybe there should be a way to refine your bet

19:29:27 mircea_popescu: you can't change it after it's bet on tho

19:29:46 pankkake: I mean before it's accepted

19:29:55 pankkake: bitbet moderators are mean with me

19:31:22 mircea_popescu: o

19:31:28 mircea_popescu: i think that's what they're paid for.

19:34:43 kakobrekla: http://bitbet.us/bet/472/kncminer-will-deliver-asic-devices-before-october-1st/#c1478

19:34:45 kakobrekla: omg people

19:34:52 ozbot: BitBet - KnCMiner will deliver ASIC devices before October 1st

19:35:08 kakobrekla: calc does not help

19:36:32 pankkake: what kind of labcoin bet would be good?

19:37:00 kleeck: lol

19:37:10 kleeck: I think the Labcoin bet is going to be a hard sell at this point.

19:37:18 pankkake: yeah, that too

19:37:21 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla it seems to me we were being milked when we believed the theory - launched by well known chan members no less! - that calculator wouild help

19:37:23 mircea_popescu: milked i say!

19:37:24 kleeck: Unless you're betting ON labcoin coming through

19:37:28 pankkake: it looks like some fanboys changed their stances

19:37:51 kleeck: Oh for sure.

19:37:53 kleeck: Big sells.

19:37:58 kleeck: JOhnyBigs, lol.

19:38:21 kakobrekla: heh yeah mp, seems so

19:38:22 kleeck: "5BTC A SHARE" to "FUCK THIS IM OUT TAKE IT TO .000001"

19:39:06 mircea_popescu: all within two weeks (tm)

19:39:30 phungus: lol

19:40:55 bob____: there needs to be a bet on bitbet about the JD bankroll size.

19:41:24 kakobrekla: i dunno if thats passable

19:41:30 kakobrekla: !jd

19:41:48 kakobrekla: recovered 2k since yest

19:41:54 bob____: yeah

19:42:06 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2013/the-hole-in-whm/

19:42:09 ozbot: The hole in whm pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

19:42:44 bob____: hm, why not passable? reading "badbets" it seems ok.

19:43:19 bob____: not like someone is going to manipulate the bankroll for 10k btc to win a bitbet

19:43:28 kakobrekla: why not

19:43:35 mircea_popescu: put it in, take it back out.

19:43:55 bob____: seems like the ROI would be tiny.

19:44:10 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: any updates on when trading will resume?

19:44:34 mircea_popescu: ideally today. in any case before monday.

19:45:32 thestringpuller: and as said in fraudsters, new mpex key etc?

19:46:05 mircea_popescu: yes.

19:47:37 thestringpuller: looks like the ddos safeguards created new problems eh?

19:52:49 mircea_popescu: i suppose you can say that yeah.

19:53:23 mircea_popescu: honestly, social engineering is the #1 most significant threat. people are slow to realise this, but it's a fact.

19:53:42 mircea_popescu: consider nsa's almost complete reorientation from mathematical to social cryptanalysis efforts.

19:53:52 mircea_popescu: consider the adventures of bitpay, closer to home.

19:54:11 mircea_popescu: we will need much better controls on it.

19:54:30 phungus: TRUST NO ONE

19:54:46 jborkl: almost a hour since last block, just like old times when diff went to 3.4 m and back down to 2.9

19:55:51 mircea_popescu: phungus it's not feasible. as things grow you need people.

19:56:03 mircea_popescu: besides, what the fuck world is that in which everyone's an army of one.

19:56:16 phungus: yeah

19:56:17 phungus: I know

19:56:22 phungus: we have to trust at some point

19:56:26 phungus: I just like the X Files

19:56:27 mircea_popescu: o wow, labcoin over 8! AMAZING COPROLOGY!

19:56:56 mircea_popescu: besides, people who trust no one don't tend to get enough sleep. people who don't get enough sleep fuck up. ergo...

19:57:03 phungus: :-)

19:57:19 Scrat: amazing

19:57:21 Scrat: amazing

19:57:23 Scrat: nice

19:57:27 mircea_popescu: nicely amazing

19:57:33 phungus: lol

19:57:34 pankkake: in X-Files, Mulder's password is TrustNo1

19:57:35 phungus: botfail

19:57:54 mircea_popescu: pankkake remind me to never trust anything he signs.

19:57:55 phungus: I want some pankkake all over me

19:58:01 phungus: with syrup

19:58:05 phungus: and butter

19:58:13 mircea_popescu: usure not "with stirup" ?

19:58:18 phungus: lol

19:58:20 mod6: He must have changed it, it used to be 'scully15h4w7'

19:58:36 mircea_popescu: you mean 8==Dscully ?

19:58:42 mod6: haha

19:58:42 phungus: haha

19:58:47 mircea_popescu: aw shit there goes my nickserv pw

19:59:35 thestringpuller: phungus is right though

19:59:36 thestringpuller: ARMY OF ME

19:59:39 thestringpuller: Bjork had it right.

19:59:56 mircea_popescu: i like orgies too much. fuck that.

20:00:43 phungus: heh

20:04:20 thestringpuller: orgie of 1

20:06:54 kleeck: We should swap orgy stories sometime MP.

20:07:20 Rulother: Well I clicked over at the right time

20:09:58 mod6: ;;tslb

20:10:16 mod6: ;;bc,blocks

20:12:15 mircea_popescu: kleeck okay.

20:12:49 thestringpuller: mod6 where you at

20:13:31 mircea_popescu: pigeons https://twitter.com/ProBirdRights is this you ?

20:14:44 kleeck: lol

20:15:49 imsaguy: jcpham: amazing.

20:16:06 jcpham: i know

20:16:15 jcpham: what are we talking about imsaguy?

20:16:24 imsaguy: urmom.

20:16:32 jcpham: fuck your face and your internet

20:16:39 jcpham: and the horse it rode in on

20:16:55 imsaguy: that she did.

20:17:02 jcpham: drumroll

20:17:02 imsaguy: how'd you know? is she telling stories again?

20:17:14 jcpham: my mom can't fuck the internet

20:17:18 jcpham: not the whole internet

20:17:23 jcpham: that's cray talk

20:17:32 imsaguy: yet she still tries.

20:17:34 jurov: only the male part of it ofc

20:17:42 jcpham: fags

20:17:46 jcpham: OP is a fag

20:17:48 imsaguy: jurov, his mom is male.

20:18:14 jcpham: jcpham gets mad resorts to calling everyone fag

20:18:31 imsaguy: you are what you smoke.

20:18:52 mircea_popescu: who's mom is a mule ?

20:19:23 jcpham: imsaguy's mom

20:19:36 jcpham: she takes pipe like a champeeeeen

20:20:27 jurov: dudes calm down, what is this? mpex withdrawal syndromes?

20:24:31 mircea_popescu: lmao

20:24:41 jcpham: champeeeeeeeeeeeen

20:24:46 mircea_popescu: that wasa good one.

20:32:20 kakobrekla: http://video.cnbc.com/gallery/?video=3000201609&startTime=0&endTime=404

20:32:23 ozbot: Banking on the Bitcoin craze - CNBC

20:33:54 phungus: so, the Greek military is demanding that the Greek government steps down

20:33:55 phungus: :-/

20:34:13 pankkake: squawkcoin!

20:34:17 phungus: and bail-ins are happening or about to happen in Italy, Poland, and maybe Canada

20:34:29 phungus: yay!

20:36:00 mircea_popescu: ftw.

20:38:42 jurov: good that slovak politicians got bail-ins long ago

20:41:01 mircea_popescu: lol the greek demands are the sheeit.

20:41:31 mircea_popescu: they demand that they immediately get moar moneyz for being poor and also the finding and punishing of all those that didn't give them more moneyz for being poor earlier.

20:42:00 mircea_popescu: strangely there's no cocksucking mentioned at any stage. i guess reserve military ppl are old.

20:43:44 thestringpuller: sounds like a job for bitcoin

20:57:58 jurov: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6400499

20:58:00 ozbot: Gnu tar happily connects to remote hosts, depending on filename | Hacker News

20:58:14 jurov: and one would think tar is embodied innocence

20:59:18 mod6: archive the tubes in 1 easy step!

21:05:23 pankkake: that would be nice if you could tell it to use something else than rsh

21:05:26 pankkake: turns out, you can :)

21:05:50 mircea_popescu: well yeah...

21:05:53 mircea_popescu: this isn;'t news is it ?

21:06:20 pankkake: if it uses rsh by default, it's probably old as fuck

21:06:26 mircea_popescu: right.

21:15:39 pankkake: http://www.theverge.com/2013/9/26/4772666/students-bypass-ipad-restrictions-la-school-rollout free ipads at *Theodore Roosevelt* High School

21:15:42 ozbot: Los Angeles may halt iPad rollout because students are using them for fun | The Verge

21:16:40 kleeck: lol

21:18:02 pankkake: oh wait, that's the other Roosevelt

21:18:11 pankkake: lol anyway

21:34:11 pankkake: "I'm thinking of selling 10,000 ActM shares for 0.0019 and buying LC @ 0.0007 for 27,142 shares."

21:34:58 kakobrekla: well yes

21:34:58 mircea_popescu: it's always a good idea to announce one's trades in advance.

21:35:01 kakobrekla: more shares is better

21:35:44 pankkake: lol

21:36:23 jborkl: people are so math impaired anyway- you throw a extra variable in there - like bitcoin is really screws them up

21:36:45 mircea_popescu: no no, more shares IS better.

21:36:58 mircea_popescu: because there's more of them. like if you had a phone number right ?

21:37:01 mircea_popescu: it'd be better to have two.

21:37:20 pankkake: when in reality it's better to have more numbers in your phone number

21:37:26 pankkake: if I understand your analogy

21:37:41 mircea_popescu: hey pankkake

21:37:48 kakobrekla: no, the phone no should start with a high value such as 9 or 8

21:37:57 mircea_popescu: i know you like numbers in your shares so i've put more phones in your phone number.

21:37:57 jborkl: 10% gain on more cheap shares is better than 10% gain on more expensive right?

21:38:12 mircea_popescu: jborkl depends if they have a logo.

21:38:21 jborkl: oh yeah my bad

21:38:24 mircea_popescu: like a good one. like with a handshake or something

21:38:53 pankkake: shit, my ☎ number starts with 01, I'm so poor

21:38:54 jborkl: IP on a good logo is what like a million or so

21:38:54 jurov: amazing logo

21:38:55 mircea_popescu: plus also shares sometimes split.

21:39:28 kakobrekla: yeah pankkake thats a low amount of phone number

21:39:35 mircea_popescu: ahahaha

21:40:25 jborkl: he last diff change broke the blockchain, lol

21:40:58 jborkl: at least if no one solves a block, I wont lose out on any mining income

21:41:28 jurov: but if *really* no one does, then you will lose

21:41:46 jborkl: I kid I kid

21:42:25 kakobrekla: its ok, at this point we will hit the 4 year mark in 2 years anyway

21:47:30 mircea_popescu: ;;tslsex

21:47:32 mircea_popescu: i guess not huh.

21:47:34 mircea_popescu: ;;tslb

21:47:41 mircea_popescu: The potential danger of an air embolism is often greatly overestimated by IV users; up to three CCs of air can be injected intravenously without causing complications, and time spent meticulously getting every minute air bubble out of the syringe would often be better spent ensuring clean conditions in general.

21:47:45 mircea_popescu: til.

21:50:04 jurov: no one likes to have frothy blood

21:50:06 phungus: is the future organizations offering their shares on their own exchange?

21:50:15 phungus: privat exchange

21:50:18 phungus: does anyone do that?

21:50:27 jurov: asicminer?

21:50:36 phungus: hmm they run their own exchange?

21:51:01 jurov: planned to, but don't see any pressing need

21:51:06 phungus: hmm

21:51:19 phungus: that would be an interesting way to distribute divs

21:51:23 phungus: no middle-man needed

21:51:33 phungus: sorry mircea

21:51:34 phungus: :-)

21:52:11 jurov: but you're not asicminer, to atract such liquidity

21:52:15 phungus: no

21:52:17 phungus: BitVPS

21:52:25 phungus: but we're a revenue share security anyway

21:52:33 phungus: so, only shares of profits

21:53:03 phungus: we probably have like 5 shareholders total anyway

21:53:12 phungus: lol

21:54:05 mircea_popescu: phungus mpex does. btct used to.

21:54:13 mircea_popescu: glbse also used to, sort of, kinda, ended up a lulzfest.

21:54:30 phungus: heh

21:54:40 phungus: yeah I remembr nefario drama

21:55:56 phungus: !t BTCTCO BITVPS

21:56:20 phungus: someone totally dumped

21:56:21 phungus: lol

21:58:29 mircea_popescu: "There have been rare cases of air embolism being caused by air entering the bloodstream from the uterus or tears in female genitalia."

21:58:45 mircea_popescu: i suppose this is now the superlative fuck. girl dies from air embolism due to well... failed queef.

22:00:25 phungus: that is disturbing

22:46:14 Doctor_Andonuts: Anyone know how long it takes for TAT to move shares from btct to the other sites once you send the email?

22:49:17 dexX7: afaik within a shorter timeframe, if he is there

22:49:37 dexX7: at least several people already reported in the havelock transfer thread that their transfer was processed

22:50:15 Doctor_Andonuts: Nice, just weird seeing them gone from btct but not on my bitfunder yet. I have faith though

22:50:43 dexX7: i'm sure everything is very fine

22:50:49 Doctor_Andonuts: Yeah

23:21:35 kakobrekla: http://www.piperwallet.com/

23:21:38 ozbot: Piper: A bitcoin paper wallet printer powered by the Rasbperry Pi

23:23:47 mircea_popescu: ha.

23:24:44 pankkake: Piper is the only offline paper wallet printer to pass all 26 of the "good" Dieharder tests for secure random number generation

23:25:17 pankkake: interesting. how do they have good rng though, from an isolated machine with no inputs?

23:25:49 kakobrekla: usb rnd gen maybe

23:26:37 pankkake: "Built-in hardware random number generator"

23:27:12 kakobrekla: mhm

23:28:16 mircea_popescu: they dobn't have good rng.

23:28:29 mircea_popescu: they have in the best case some avalanche noise which is the suck.

23:29:24 pankkake: it would be easy to do some good rng on such device though, add things like mic, temperature sensor, or even accelerometer

23:29:33 pankkake: ask the user to shake it!

23:30:21 dexX7: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1dsr5m/ann_piper_a_hardwarebased_paper_wallet_printer/c9trs3o

23:30:23 ozbot: GrainElevator comments on [ANN] Piper - A hardware-based paper wallet printer and so much more

23:31:37 pankkake: well, that sucks. and providing the seed themselves is worse

23:33:25 dexX7: "Hook Piper up to a display, mouse, and keyboard and customize Piper to do whatever you want. It's all Linux based, open source, and based on the Raspberry Pi platform."

23:53:47 bloctoc: ;;ticker s.mg

23:54:31 bloctoc: !mp s.mg

23:56:11 kakobrekla: ;;t m s.mg

23:56:13 kakobrekla: eh

23:56:18 kakobrekla: !t m s.mg

23:56:24 kakobrekla: but is down

23:57:04 bloctoc: thanks for trying kakobrekla

23:59:35 mircea_popescu: it's down atm so not much assbot can do for you