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00:01:04 pascal257: ahahaha

00:01:11 pascal257: "Advertising in forums is never the best idea as the trolls are waiting you."

00:01:24 pascal257: whos trolling whom

00:02:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 900 @ 0.00239199 = 2.1528 BTC [-] {2}

00:04:15 pankkake: in the french forum « yes mr. hollande [our President. no idea why he called me that]. next defamation attack and i'll sue you »

00:04:43 pankkake: perhaps the costanza avatar? :o

00:05:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 83 @ 0.00330884 = 0.2746 BTC [-] {2}

00:05:29 pascal257: :D

00:05:40 pascal257: The Bitcoin Card®

00:05:50 pascal257: I'm wondering if he actually has the trademark for that

00:05:58 pascal257: that might be worth something

00:06:03 pankkake: oh didn't that website get a lot of press?

00:06:28 pankkake: I know one bitcoin card site did, and never ended up doing anything

00:09:30 pascal2571: how easy is it to register a SARL?

00:09:39 pascal2571: it seems that dood owns a bunch of them

00:26:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 550 @ 0.00239511 = 1.3173 BTC [+] {4}

00:28:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 300 @ 0.00246 = 0.738 BTC [+]

00:33:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 119 @ 0.0036846 = 0.4385 BTC [+]

00:36:49 jurov`: ah, markus weiler?

00:37:31 jurov`: i'm going to piss him off big time soon (by way of bitcoinbourse.eu, another lame project of him)

00:40:23 jurov`: as i am share^W bagholder of it, we had very funny email exchange

00:49:03 Apocalyptic: pankkake, do you like Hollande ?

00:50:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.15000091 BTC [-]

00:51:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00218077 = 0.4362 BTC [-] {4}

00:54:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.3999 BTC [-]

00:54:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00218077 = 0.109 BTC [-] {2}

00:58:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 131 @ 0.00202962 = 0.2659 BTC [-] {4}

00:59:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 402 @ 0.00200477 = 0.8059 BTC [-] {3}

01:01:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.39 BTC [-]

01:01:36 pankkake: no :D

01:03:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.3999 = 0.7998 BTC [+]

01:03:21 pankkake: pascal257: it used to require minimum capital, but now SARL can start at 1€

01:09:10 mindfck: sup ppls

01:10:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.3999 BTC [+]

01:11:42 nubbins`: well hello

01:19:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2042 @ 0.0019995 = 4.083 BTC [-] {11}

01:20:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2903 @ 0.00197244 = 5.726 BTC [-] {2}

01:28:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 50 @ 0.0355 = 1.775 BTC [-]

01:28:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.409 = 0.818 BTC [+]

01:31:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.0036814 = 0.1841 BTC [-]

01:32:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.409 = 0.818 BTC [+]

01:35:50 deadweasel: howdy nubs

01:43:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.409 BTC [+]

01:46:29 kakobrekla: cant belive i just ordered a book

01:46:40 kakobrekla: physical kind

01:46:58 mike_c: tree-killer.

01:47:10 kakobrekla: hehe

01:47:22 kakobrekla: they ran out of the cotton paper versions

01:48:59 BingoBoingo: That's definitely going to cut down on it's expected lifespan kakobrekla

01:49:51 pankkake: I only buy physical books

01:50:39 pankkake: it's nice to have books at home

01:51:18 kakobrekla: i tend to lend books to others after im done with them

01:51:24 kakobrekla: they mostly dont come back

01:51:32 kakobrekla: so i accepted the fact that im giving them away

01:51:46 pankkake: so they're kind of like bitcoins

01:52:28 kakobrekla: i dunno why keep books

01:52:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23950 @ 0.00079063 = 18.9356 BTC [+]

01:53:01 kakobrekla: its not like you are going to read it again

01:53:19 pankkake: well I haven't read most of them

01:53:50 kakobrekla: and if you dont remember something from the book

01:54:05 kakobrekla: apparently it wasnt interesting enough to be worth remembering

01:54:07 pankkake: books make you smarter, because people see you have a lot of books and think you must be smart

01:56:14 kakobrekla: i wouldnt know, you are the smart one

01:57:53 jurov`: pfft... was it at least bound in human leather?

01:58:47 kakobrekla: is that thing even legal?

01:59:24 jurov`: http://www.humanleather.co.uk/ from cadavers.. why not?

02:02:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.4145 = 0.829 BTC [+] {2}

02:02:25 kakobrekla: well i guess you know what the problem is when you have a market for dead bodies

02:02:26 asciilifeform: lampshades are conspicuously missing from the catalogue.

02:02:59 jurov`: same problem as with replacement organs?

02:03:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.41977 = 0.8395 BTC [+]

02:03:29 kakobrekla: sorta, but that takes way more sophistication

02:04:16 jurov`: plus, human leather can be donated without killing anyone... morbidly obese people get excess skin removed routinely

02:04:41 kakobrekla: i dont care, mind or anything. just saying

02:06:39 dub: cadavers and lazy chinese

02:08:19 dub: and excess 'murican as jurov` notes

02:09:11 jurov`: "made from america's excess"

02:09:23 kakobrekla: lol

02:09:55 s3gfault: BitBET are fucking theives. 10BTC stolen.

02:10:08 kakobrekla: yes we heard, its terrible

02:10:22 pankkake: ~macbook :/

02:10:27 s3gfault: they have no concept of PR

02:10:47 kakobrekla: s3gfault they should pay you for PR since you are doing such a good job

02:10:57 kakobrekla: maybe write them an email

02:11:06 s3gfault: they're a joke. people should stay away from them

02:12:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 133 @ 0.00368739 = 0.4904 BTC [-] {2}

02:12:23 dub: I tried to make a bet with someone but they were too stupid to use bitcoin and sent funds after the bet closed :(

02:12:40 dub: its a real problem

02:13:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 75 @ 0.00369 = 0.2768 BTC [+]

02:15:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.41977 = 0.8395 BTC [+]

02:15:38 kakobrekla: s3gfault have you considered getting a 'NEVER FORGET BITBET' tatto, that should raise awareness and give them hell

02:15:52 s3gfault: dub: bitbet should automatically return funds sent after the bet closed. its trivial to implement. its not complicated at all. they are theives

02:15:53 kakobrekla: i think thats the best option at this point

02:16:32 s3gfault: i've spent a lot of time spamming reddit and the forums telling people about bitbet scammers so i've already done damage to their brand, which they deserve for being theives

02:16:34 pankkake: https://bitpay.com/directory I wondered if those 12000 businesses were real. now be can check. pretty cool

02:16:46 kakobrekla: if you do it on the your forehead, you will get the most out of it

02:16:49 s3gfault: pankkake is just a bitbet shill.

02:16:56 s3gfault: kakobrekla is just a bitbet shill

02:17:18 pankkake: s3gfault: I don't talk to people with macbooks, they obviously don't know how to manage their finances properly

02:17:28 kakobrekla: lol true dat

02:17:44 dub: he makes a good point

02:18:06 asciilifeform: and what about macbook with human leather keyboard cover?

02:18:09 s3gfault: pankkake is a bitbet shill

02:18:21 pankkake: well, bitbet is scamming me too

02:18:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.42 = 0.84 BTC [+]

02:18:25 pankkake: cause I got 0 :(

02:18:34 s3gfault: pankkake: who has a macbook? you?

02:18:48 kakobrekla: ( s3gfault )/( ~macbook@bas2-toronto09-1176443948.dsl.bell.ca )

02:18:59 dub: canadian to boo(o)t

02:19:20 s3gfault: pankkake: i dont talk to people who are stupid enough to think that their ident describes what hardware they're using.... gullible fools

02:19:20 dub: moosecocks and macbooks

02:19:21 kakobrekla: oh wait is this your real name, Mr. Macbook?

02:19:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.42 BTC [+]

02:19:26 kakobrekla: your parents must be real smart

02:19:39 pankkake: well you're running Mac OS at least

02:19:46 s3gfault: kakobrekla is a bitbet shill

02:19:53 pankkake: well, I hope

02:19:55 dub: his username on his AIX IRC workstation is marcbook

02:19:57 s3gfault: pankkake: nope. spoofing packet headers

02:20:06 dub: oh dear

02:20:09 pankkake: LOL

02:20:11 s3gfault: pankkake is just a bitbet shill

02:20:17 dub: we don't take kindly to spoof around here

02:20:23 pankkake: I confirmed by ctcp version, you have nothing to spoof

02:20:26 kakobrekla: now you dont have to repeat that any more

02:20:28 kakobrekla: mkay?

02:20:43 s3gfault: kakobrekla: thanks, at least you're honest

02:20:44 pankkake: though it's easy to force irssi to return something else

02:20:50 kakobrekla: and you are stupid.

02:20:51 pankkake: of course he's honest

02:21:01 s3gfault: you two are in here 24/7 shilling for bitbet

02:21:05 s3gfault: very sad

02:21:07 dub: guys chill, don't get the hacker angry

02:21:10 jurov`: s3gfault: don't forget me, i'm not a shill but a s.bbet dealer

02:21:19 kakobrekla: he is the worst

02:21:24 kakobrekla: sprading the stolen funds

02:21:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.43834142 = 3.0684 BTC [+] {3}

02:21:30 s3gfault: ICBIT is putting MPEX to shame. only idiots would ever use MPEX

02:21:32 kakobrekla: taking off fees

02:21:39 kakobrekla: pft!

02:21:42 pankkake: oh you're that guy too

02:22:08 Apocalyptic: pankkake, what's the link to the golden topic again please

02:22:09 s3gfault: pankkake keeps track of people who type in here , because he's here that often

02:22:15 s3gfault: very sad

02:22:22 kakobrekla: lmao

02:22:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.43979999 = 0.8796 BTC [+]

02:22:37 pankkake: actually it's pretty sad

02:22:47 s3gfault: are havelock AM shares 1/100?

02:22:51 pankkake: Apocalyptic: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=339544.0

02:22:53 s3gfault: or whole shares?

02:22:55 Apocalyptic: i'm in for some more lulz

02:23:01 Apocalyptic: thanks pankkake

02:23:20 pankkake: s3gfault: both. AM1, AM100. pretty explicit

02:23:34 s3gfault: pankkake you're on ignore because you're a bitbet shill.

02:23:45 kakobrekla: how do you know he wrote then

02:23:51 s3gfault: so, AM is still off its 4BTC/share high?

02:23:56 kakobrekla: LULZ

02:23:57 pankkake: he can ignore me after typing

02:24:02 kakobrekla: thank you log!

02:24:11 assbot: Last 10 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1483025/plain/)

02:24:11 kakobrekla: !b 10

02:24:15 s3gfault: kakobrekla: sucessfull troll is successful

02:24:20 kakobrekla: too late

02:24:23 kakobrekla: you didnt make it in the bash

02:24:30 mircea_popescu: sooo

02:24:35 mircea_popescu: someone said my name ?

02:24:37 pankkake: won't do you much good as you come here just a few minutes every few days or so

02:24:42 s3gfault: OMFG here's the theif himself!!!!

02:25:13 kakobrekla: shills are running low on funds MP, pay up

02:25:14 s3gfault: obvoiusly bitbet doesn't realize that bad PR means bad business

02:25:25 pankkake: is the web submit of bash working? I think I submitted stuff that never appeared

02:25:30 mircea_popescu: is this the snackman guy or the tiberius guy ?

02:25:32 pankkake: or perhaps it was found unfunny :(

02:26:08 s3gfault: i have 1000 shells with different IP's. im am l33t hax0r. this is actually a bot htat will come in here daily saying that bitbet is a scam

02:26:10 pankkake: don't think snackman would mention icbit

02:26:17 s3gfault: f33r my l33t hax0ring sk1llz

02:26:19 kakobrekla: pankkake unfortunatley it must go through my fuckedup funny filter, maybe i should find a helping hand

02:26:29 s3gfault: i know how to use SSH

02:26:57 mircea_popescu: pankkake or be in toronto.

02:27:22 kakobrekla: its one of the 1000 shells

02:27:24 s3gfault: u guys are such n00bs. 'omfg his IP says hes in toronto, he must actaully be there' 0000000fmz0gm lol

02:27:25 kakobrekla: he just told you doh!

02:27:28 dub: its a shell with spoofed packets man

02:27:34 s3gfault: yeah you guys are soooooooo dumb

02:27:39 s3gfault: oooooofmzgozmg

02:27:58 dub: the sad thing here is this guy is not actuall 8 years old

02:28:02 s3gfault: who would want to live in that icebox anyway?

02:28:02 kakobrekla: wait are we typing random characters now?

02:28:07 kakobrekla: i can do that too

02:28:10 kakobrekla: gx<lcdmcacm<ycmvxm,cmb,b<xgvlm<sv

02:28:15 kakobrekla: any good?

02:28:23 kakobrekla: hows the entropy on that

02:28:24 mircea_popescu: that read like bitcoin codebase

02:28:28 mircea_popescu: oops i mean, standard.

02:28:32 Apocalyptic: <kakobrekla> hows the entropy on that // pretty bad

02:28:38 s3gfault: i'm a l33t hax0r. i can use SCREEN and SSH. I watched a youtube video that showed me how. I also am a master at metasploit. be careful.

02:28:39 kakobrekla: dammit :(

02:28:48 Apocalyptic: better get some cardano

02:28:52 s3gfault: i have backtrack5

02:28:53 kakobrekla: i will

02:29:28 s3gfault: i bet you guys dont' even know what backtrack is. its only for l33t hax0rs.

02:29:31 dub: you know whats leet

02:29:36 s3gfault: bitbet is a scam. and theives

02:29:47 dub: huwawei shit doesnt have traceroute

02:29:54 dub: it has tracert

02:30:06 dub: leetest of all hacking tools

02:30:22 s3gfault: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=339544.0 PROOF that BITBET is a scam and will steal your bitcoins

02:30:23 ozbot: BitBet Stole ~$7,000 from me (10 BTC)

02:30:36 s3gfault: i will post this daily from one of my l33t ssh sh3lls

02:30:42 s3gfault: i'm a l33t hax0r

02:30:54 kakobrekla: make it hourly then

02:31:10 s3gfault: kakobrekla: just put it in the topic, and i wont have to bother

02:31:24 Apocalyptic: lulz

02:31:35 kakobrekla: ok

02:31:39 Apocalyptic: he already admited to be a shill

02:31:44 Apocalyptic: one step at a time dude

02:31:53 pankkake: no THIS shows bitbet is a scam: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=252224.0

02:31:57 mircea_popescu: lmao @dork examining diffie.

02:32:14 mircea_popescu: "o, you have no phd. please say this matters so i can continue believing i've not wasted my time and money"

02:33:04 pankkake: ?

02:33:28 mircea_popescu: pankkake earlier linked material, some laughable company sueing people because it thinks it invented rsa

02:33:30 mircea_popescu: or some such shit.

02:33:42 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: My favorite part was the incomplete and incromprehensible paper where someone hypothesized the possibility of Public key infrastructure being the same as Diffe inventing PKI and releasing it to the public, where... it could be recorded and documented as prior art...

02:34:09 mircea_popescu: in a few years everyone will be all "we do not recognise the authority of any us court" and i'll be all like "you dorks, mpex beat you by a few years again"

02:34:24 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo myeah.

02:35:03 mjr_: i don't really recognize any courts authority

02:35:08 mjr_: ;)

02:35:38 mjr_: i mean...i was talking to my friend, and he said that he didn't get a gun because it was illegal

02:36:08 mircea_popescu: josh's got a gun

02:36:08 mjr_: i said...if it was >51% likely that someone was going to break into your home, would you get a gun? he said yeah

02:36:13 mjr_: lol

02:36:13 mircea_popescu: his whole world came undone

02:36:14 KRS1: o/ mjr_

02:36:18 mircea_popescu: from lookin' straight at the sun

02:36:27 mircea_popescu: what is josh gonna do...

02:36:47 mjr_: so...i don't think anyone recognizes their authority, they just do cost benefit calculation as to whether they will get caught and how much it would cost

02:37:07 mircea_popescu: mike_c yeah it's wp. i think it's idiotic but meh, never sat down to bash it into sense

02:37:16 mjr_: nice song mircea_popescu

02:37:18 dub: are there stats on what outcome having a gun has when you get robbed?

02:37:24 mjr_: i'm not sure

02:37:29 mircea_popescu: dub yes. you get fed the gun.

02:37:30 mjr_: i personally don't want or need a gun

02:37:31 dub: I'd guess it makes you more likely to get dead instead of just robbed

02:37:36 mjr_: maybe...

02:38:01 mjr_: im just saying...if you wanted a gun, you simply tally up your "desire" for the gun vs the "cost" of the gun

02:38:15 mjr_: and courts simply put EV costs on your decision

02:38:20 mircea_popescu: but this isn't what we're discussing here.

02:38:27 mjr_: ah

02:38:27 cazalla: fuck, i'd hate to have purchased mcxnow shares only for them to shut down now ha

02:38:28 mjr_: ok

02:38:29 dub: whats the incentive to get a gun though

02:38:30 mircea_popescu: the brokedness of the us legal system is a matter of principle not of cost.

02:38:38 mjr_: that is my point

02:38:43 mjr_: they have zero moral authority

02:38:55 dub: wtf is moral authority

02:38:58 mjr_: it is simply the threat of punishment and repression that causes people to obey

02:39:00 mircea_popescu: dub same incentive as getting a waffle maker. if you make a lot of waffles

02:39:23 mjr_: ok...let's say that the US joins world war 2...to stop hitler or whatever

02:39:31 mjr_: most people say, I can see why you did that...nice job

02:39:45 mjr_: lets say we drone civilians in pakistan, most people do not say good job anymore

02:39:48 dub: most germans probably don't say that, nor japs

02:40:03 mircea_popescu: kleeck: Is DPR the monster they say he is? << more like the retard.

02:40:06 dub: I'd guess >5! of humans possibly not down with that either

02:40:12 dub: >51%

02:40:16 dub: arabs and such

02:40:16 mjr_: lol, yeah...germany is not our biggest fan, and japanese don't wear american clothes and listen to american music

02:40:47 mjr_: i mean, obviously merkle was a little annoyed we spy on her

02:40:53 mircea_popescu: since when is this entire headcount important anyway ?

02:41:00 mircea_popescu: the rich people no longer like the us. end of fucking story.

02:41:12 cazalla: so mcxNOW IPO'd to get funds to grow the service but are now shutting down due to that growth

02:41:15 mircea_popescu: what some goat herder in bumfuck thinks on the matter is about as relevant as what his goats think.

02:41:24 kakobrekla: lolwat

02:41:36 cazalla: check the front page https://mcxnow.com/

02:41:43 mircea_popescu: cazalla you seriously need to stop throwing btc at forum crap.

02:41:52 mircea_popescu: http://dailycaller.com/2013/11/25/report-half-of-new-hiv-cases-in-greece-from-2009-2011-self-inflicted-to-get-benefits/

02:41:54 cazalla: i'm not invested in mcxnow

02:41:56 mircea_popescu: chedck that shit out.

02:41:58 dub: I only go to websites that existed yesterday

02:42:01 mircea_popescu: cazalla a ok, good for you.

02:42:09 cazalla: i just enjoy reading about all these schemes

02:42:19 kakobrekla: but it said 1 million users supported!!!!!11

02:42:23 mircea_popescu: can't blame ya.

02:42:26 mircea_popescu: they're all the best ever.

02:42:28 cazalla: but i think this one takes the cake

02:42:36 dub: dailycaller.com sounds legit

02:42:38 mircea_popescu: there's plenty of cake...

02:42:51 mircea_popescu: dub but for the humor value!

02:43:09 dub: TRENDING KATHLEEN SEBELIUS | OBAMACARE | CLIMATE CHANGE | KITTENS | BOSTON RED SOX

02:43:19 dub: quality news thurr

02:43:29 dub: why no chemtrails in that list

02:43:38 mircea_popescu: who's sebelius ?

02:44:16 Apocalyptic: mcxnow closing ?

02:44:20 dub: dunno but alex jones don't like non of that

02:44:21 Apocalyptic: how surprising

02:44:56 mircea_popescu: who's alex jones

02:45:07 mircea_popescu: jeez i don't internet enough or something

02:45:19 cazalla: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOBlvvunIvE is all you need to know about alex jones

02:45:36 mircea_popescu: i hope this will be at least as good as the tom cruise oprah tyhing

02:45:45 dub: alex jones shares most of your opinions mp

02:45:53 BingoBoingo: dub: Look what your link to http://motherfuckingwebsite.com/ inspired me to do http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2013/11/25/a-new-look-for-bingo-blog/

02:45:57 dub: surprised you don't have him on speed dial

02:46:24 mircea_popescu: fat blond guy that reads fraudsters ?

02:46:30 dub: BingoBoingo: very nice

02:46:51 mircea_popescu: magellan had three ships

02:47:03 dub: BingoBoingo: not sure about the shading under your navbar though, a bit flashy imo

02:47:42 mircea_popescu: lmao

02:47:45 BingoBoingo: dub: Well, I figure one bit of change in the background to separate the header from everything else is at least utilitarian

02:47:51 dub: some nasty UTF-8 action in there too, the devils work

02:48:08 BingoBoingo: Also HTML 5 and microformats

02:48:30 mircea_popescu: no css ?

02:48:49 kakobrekla: now it looks better than fraudsters

02:48:55 BingoBoingo: Eh, if animated GIFs can make a comeback so can unstyled HTML

02:50:06 nubbins`: style is an illusion

02:50:17 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla it's only natural for people to surpass me in time.

02:52:13 mircea_popescu: for any value of others equal to icons of outrageous rightness

02:52:52 nubbins`: did you know that there's no such crime as "non-state torture" on the books in canada?

02:53:09 nubbins`: unless it's some government, the highest it goes is aggravated assault

02:53:33 mircea_popescu: the same is true pretty much everywhere.

02:55:13 nubbins`: interesting, did not know

02:55:37 nubbins`: came up during this Dustin Paxton case

02:55:43 nubbins`: http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/10/16/torturer-dustin-paxton-smirks-as-his-brain-injured-former-roommate-gives-victim-impact-statement/

02:55:44 ozbot: Torturer Dustin Paxton smirks as his brain-injured former roommate gives victim impact statement |

02:58:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.43979999 BTC [+]

02:58:51 dub: the humanity

02:59:01 mircea_popescu: "He has 44 convictions, mostly property offences but including six assaults, in 20 years."

02:59:03 mircea_popescu: dude what ?

02:59:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1244 @ 0.00212 = 2.6373 BTC [-]

02:59:36 dub: only the state is alowed to torture, my rights

03:00:04 dub: im going to have to dig a libertarian hole in the ground and live in it

03:00:29 nubbins`: mircea_popescu: seems a good candidate for rehabilitation, no?

03:00:59 dub: great

03:01:02 mircea_popescu: yeah, he should be sentenced to live with dub,

03:01:10 mircea_popescu: who can treat him by the magical power of sarcasm

03:01:18 dub: so you don't want to pay taxes but you need someone to lock up bad people and keep them away from you

03:01:18 mircea_popescu: it fixed everything else, why not this dude.

03:01:33 dub: ideology checks out

03:03:15 nubbins`: people don't want to pay taxes?!

03:04:19 mircea_popescu: stop interfering with the strawmans you're messing up the sarcasm flux and this complicates making the world a better place.

03:04:38 nubbins`: ooh shit

03:04:50 mircea_popescu: now we can't have any progress or heavy cream because of you

03:05:20 nubbins`: i like my coffee black anyway

03:05:39 nubbins`: although i've never tried progress in coffee

03:06:01 pankkake: progress in coffee?

03:06:09 dub: www.examiner.com/article/black-man-arrested-62-times-for-trespassing-at-his-own-job

03:06:15 pankkake: anyway, when you go black you don't go back

03:06:18 dub: lol

03:07:03 mircea_popescu: pankkake you know s.mg is actually just about at par ?

03:07:38 mircea_popescu: o the pt. nm.

03:09:57 mircea_popescu: s3gfault: i've spent a lot of time spamming reddit and the forums telling people about bitbet scammers so i've already done damage to their brand, which they deserve for being theives << i can't believe someone actualyl believes this.

03:13:28 pankkake: so basically the mcxnow story is 1) issue very few shares 2) pump it to death 3) issue "ipo" that does not finish but raise millions 4) "oh well, site is too successeful so this is too much work, site closing"

03:14:13 mircea_popescu: herp.

03:14:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 11 @ 0.03699902 = 0.407 BTC [+] {2}

03:15:14 mircea_popescu: wait. this log is fucken golden

03:15:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 250 @ 0.00369482 = 0.9237 BTC [+] {5}

03:15:48 mircea_popescu: s3gfault: you two are in here 24/7 shilling for bitbet s3gfault: you two are in here 24/7 shilling for bitbet

03:15:57 mircea_popescu: literally five minutes after he had just done a lot of damage on reddit.

03:16:07 mircea_popescu: and i bet you he votes.

03:16:22 pankkake: votes?

03:16:36 BingoBoingo: Democracy is broken

03:16:47 pankkake: oh also for mcxnow: trading stopped except for shares

03:17:11 nubbins`: oh, apparently that torture victim was a witness in a hell's angels trial some years ago

03:17:21 pankkake: well if you vote you don't really understand math, anyway. not surprising given the person

03:17:24 mircea_popescu: it'd be pretty funny if icbit, cryptowhateveritwas, mcxnow, blabla all the 10 or so of the things get together and trade each other's shares.

03:17:42 mircea_popescu: in about three weeks the explosion of drama would put the bitfinex boom to shame.

03:17:52 mircea_popescu: o ya, picostocks. remember picostocks ?

03:18:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 229 @ 0.00195879 = 0.4486 BTC [-] {7}

03:18:28 nubbins`: vaguely

03:19:19 mircea_popescu: it's the scamsite that launched a mega-giga-ultra huge mining fund

03:19:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 127 @ 0.00193984 = 0.2464 BTC [-] {2}

03:19:25 mircea_popescu: with basic tom's hardware

03:19:36 mircea_popescu: who then ran away wioth the money, costing them about 1-2mn dollars at that time

03:19:45 mircea_popescu: which they somehow magically just shrugged off, cause no big deal,

03:19:54 kakobrekla: lol stop reading my other screen

03:19:56 mircea_popescu: and made an even larger imaginary purchase off some other producer

03:19:58 kakobrekla: i got toms hardware open

03:20:08 mircea_popescu: this was going to be delivered about 6 months ago.

03:20:22 pankkake: BingoBoingo: somehow I misted your trust feedbacks. added to my trust settings!

03:20:26 pankkake: love the feedback for Obama

03:20:29 mircea_popescu: buzzdave (the basic frontman) was being pissed all over by mpoe-pr in like... july ?

03:20:45 mircea_popescu: and it's still going.

03:20:51 mircea_popescu: like the bggb woman or w/e.

03:20:53 pankkake: I have one guy who has hilarious ones: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=51184

03:20:54 dub: ;;getrating obama

03:20:54 gribble: Use the gettrust command instead. See http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/OTC_Rating_System#Relying_on_the_rating

03:21:16 dub: ;;gettrust obama

03:21:16 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user dub to user obama: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=dub&dest=obama | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=obama | Rated since: never

03:22:07 BingoBoingo: Thank you pankkake, sometimes I try.

03:24:11 pankkake: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=311527.0 by the way

03:24:13 ozbot: DefaultTrust is BAD. Very bad.

03:24:49 mircea_popescu: yeah well, having a horde of idiots is worse.

03:24:58 BingoBoingo: pankkake: DefaultTrust is just a user account on BitcoinTalk. Leave them some negative feedback.

03:25:05 mircea_popescu: if it weren't for default trust they'd have no trust at all, as vast majority of "community members" couldn't figure it out

03:25:40 pankkake: by the way, I still have a +1 for TradeFortress because of PR :D

03:27:20 dub: wat is defaulttrust?

03:27:34 dub: googol fails me

03:27:57 pankkake: by default you trust some users on bitcointalk

03:28:00 pankkake: in their web of trust

03:28:08 dub: lolwat

03:28:14 mircea_popescu: dub theymos coded the forum wot so that everyone starts by trusting him

03:28:23 pankkake: more like a pyramid than a web

03:28:31 dub: oh forum wot, wat

03:28:48 dub: exaclty why are fucks given

03:28:59 mircea_popescu: this was part of the forum upgrades for which all those donated 4k btc went

03:29:18 mircea_popescu: or anyway, could be.

03:29:47 frb: lol, i was just reading this thread about the bitbet "scam". it's incredible how many ignorant people own bitcoin and lose them constantly

03:30:42 dub: it starts out incredible, as time passes it just is

03:30:45 mircea_popescu: yeah. the funny part is where they imagine that because they bought some bitcoin they can now opine on how bitcoin runs.

03:31:07 dub: the first rule of bitcoin is that idiots will have them

03:31:08 mircea_popescu: roughly the equivalent of some dork redecorating a call girl's den because if he's going to spend an hour there he needs feng shui

03:31:57 frb: that thread is one of the most amusing on bitcointalk to date

03:32:13 mircea_popescu: imo there were better.

03:32:34 mircea_popescu: tho i can't remember

03:32:38 mircea_popescu: o yeah, the pietilla shit.

03:32:50 pankkake: it's actually amazing to see people managed to have 200 btc but then gave them to crappy scams

03:32:50 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

03:33:06 mircea_popescu: myeah.

03:33:20 pankkake: I blame GPU mining

03:33:34 frb: pankkake: i know. like coinlenders. it's just proof really that a fool and his money are soon parted

03:33:42 frb: just with bitcoin it tends to be a lot of money in a short period

03:33:51 pankkake: well, labcoin, pretty much everything on cryptostocks, etc

03:33:56 mircea_popescu: at least they snuck an ignore mpoe=pr in there because in between t when they stioll had it and t+2 weeks when they no longer had it she had the unmitigated audacity to link them to like, the 2012 personal responsibility thread

03:36:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.43948998 = 2.6369 BTC [-] {2}

03:41:59 nubbins`: heh, yahoo internal mail describes MS Outlook as an 'anachronism of the now defunct 90s PC era, a pre-web program written at a time when NT Server terrorized the data center landscape with the confidence of a T-Rex born to yuppie dinosaur parents who fully bought into the illusion of their son's utter uniqueness because the big-mouthed, tiny-armed monster infant could mimic the gestures of The

03:41:59 nubbins`: Itsy-Bitsy Pterodactyl.'

03:43:04 mircea_popescu: doesn't sound very internal.

03:43:34 mircea_popescu: unless it was written by the world famous punk accountants

03:43:37 dub: they should try notes

03:43:42 mircea_popescu: (http://www.austintown.k12.oh.us/~aust_tr/homework/quickfiles/Cartoons/punk%20accountants.bmp)

03:43:52 dub: its not even email

03:45:56 nubbins`: shush about notes, i had to use it for 3 years at my last job

03:46:20 mircea_popescu: i wonder how many people who see the fraudsters comic sans realise that this means that 1. they had no better fonts and 2. they had comic sans.

03:47:20 nubbins`: oh, look at that

03:47:49 mircea_popescu: the definition is font-family: 'Comic Sans MS' even, so it doesn't even work if you're using some linux font named "Comic Sans"

03:47:51 pankkake: you trolled me :/

03:48:00 mircea_popescu: pankkake verily.

03:49:01 pankkake: well it's package corefonts in my distro. I think many packages require it

03:49:04 pankkake: I have an excuse!

03:49:21 mircea_popescu: yeah, that being that you use a distro made by lame fontppl

03:50:06 mike_c: wait, its not because we don't have better fonts. comic sans ms is first. so you are weeding us out up front.

03:50:13 nubbins`: pankkake: grains are bad for you?

03:50:16 mircea_popescu: mike_c you could have your own defaults.

03:50:26 pankkake: actually I can probably block it with INSTALL_MASK

03:50:33 nubbins`: i just rename papyrus to comic sans ms

03:50:36 pankkake: nubbins`: according to paleo and other diets yes

03:50:52 mircea_popescu: nubbins` pankkake : yes, because of aflatoxins

03:51:02 mircea_popescu: probably tyhe most widely ingested carcinogen on planet earth.

03:51:03 nubbins`: paleo diet, that sounds trendy

03:51:08 pankkake: milk definitively is a bad idea to give to everyone

03:51:20 nubbins`: lots of people can't digest dairy

03:51:50 pankkake: well some cheeses are easier, but cow milk is probably the hardest

03:52:21 nubbins`: my wife can't eat cow cheese anymore, but goat cheese is fine

03:52:36 nubbins`: there's also this odd lactose-free cow cheese that's fine

03:52:46 nubbins`: melts funny tho :(

03:52:59 pankkake: I have a hard time with the taste of goat anything

03:53:05 nubbins`: nod, texture is odd too

03:53:07 mircea_popescu: goats are sorta like small cows with springs anyway

03:53:14 pankkake: also, one day I saw a goat eat shit directly out of another goat's anus

03:53:19 nubbins`: hahahahaha

03:53:29 nubbins`: so, a dog with hooves

03:53:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 6 @ 0.0369833 = 0.2219 BTC [-] {2}

03:53:59 mircea_popescu: more like a cat with wool and square eyes

03:54:08 nubbins`: nah, cats don't eat turds

03:54:19 mircea_popescu: you never seen cats much

03:54:27 nubbins`: my cat doesn't, anyway

03:54:34 nubbins`: dogs, on the other hand, will eat anything

03:54:39 nubbins`: puke, shit, rocks, whatever

03:54:43 nubbins`: idiots

03:54:45 mod6: ^^^

03:55:14 nubbins`: whenever my friend brings his dog over, she makes a beeline for the litter box and devours any turds or piss-soaked rocks that are present

03:55:27 nubbins`: how the fuck does behaviour like that evolve?

03:55:45 mod6: srsly. wtf is with that.

03:56:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 6 @ 0.03699999 = 0.222 BTC [+]

03:56:09 mircea_popescu: maybe your friend's dogfood is that bad ?

03:56:27 nubbins`: maybe, i don't think this is an unusual case tho

03:56:42 mircea_popescu: cats will eat placenta, which makes them about as weird as french women

03:56:49 nubbins`: hey, nutrients!

03:56:54 mod6: yikes

03:57:07 nubbins`: there was a woman in my city who offered a service where she'd prepare your placenta for consumption

03:57:11 mod6: *ahem* pass the gravy.

03:57:13 nubbins`: she just cooked it in her oven at home

03:57:19 nubbins`: ground it and put it into capsules

03:58:02 nubbins`: i can only assume animals eat it because it's nutrient-rich, not sure about humans

03:58:45 mod6: vitamin-v

03:59:05 nubbins`: vitamin hey i just queefed out a kid, let's eat the messy leftovers

03:59:26 mod6: you get the forks and knives, i'll get the blowtorch

04:00:21 nubbins`: make a nice flambé

04:00:27 mod6: haha.

04:00:52 nubbins`: "i can't decide between the placenta flambé and the cum brulée"

04:01:17 mod6: "hey mircea, grab the custard!"

04:01:56 mircea_popescu: i already cut it

04:05:32 cazalla: apparently it helps with postnatal depression

04:05:49 mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/607/peercoin-to-rise-above-0-002-bitcoin-each-before/#c1880

04:05:52 ozbot: BitBet - Peercoin to rise above 0.002 Bitcoin each before Nov 30th

04:05:55 cazalla: that is to say that women that take placenta capsules are less likely to suffer from postnatal depression

04:05:58 mircea_popescu: check out all the doods playing dangerously with their 0.02 btc

04:06:25 pankkake: oh, I was wondering if they really did that

04:06:42 pankkake: I didn't check the date, usually I do because I hate those

04:06:55 pankkake: they really deserve a higher fee :D

04:07:00 mircea_popescu: lol

04:07:03 mircea_popescu: let em have fun.

04:07:18 mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/557/arnold-rothstein-will-die-by-seasons-end-on/

04:07:19 ozbot: BitBet - Arnold Rothstein will die by season's end on Boardwalk Empire

04:07:23 mircea_popescu: check out the guy betting at 291 weight

04:07:34 mircea_popescu: bitbet scam thread gold #2 ?

04:07:52 cazalla: i thought he would

04:07:53 pankkake: well there was that old one I linked

04:07:57 cazalla: guess it'll be next season

04:08:13 pankkake: and the guy commented on http://bitcoinscammers.com/bitbet-us/ too

04:08:22 pankkake: lose 0.0001, spend a few hours talking about it.

04:08:54 nubbins`: redefine the word "scam" while you're at it

04:09:11 nubbins`: i ordered a pizza and it didn't have enough mushrooms, scam

04:09:29 nubbins`: smoking gave me cancer, scam

04:09:31 mircea_popescu: call 911

04:10:33 mircea_popescu: Yeah, Bitbet is a scam. Run a search on TRILEMMA and you can see them banter. They sound like a bunch of assholes with just enough education to think they are better, but not enough to be successful.

04:10:48 mircea_popescu: can't believe the guy misspelled his search term.

04:12:10 pankkake: > not enough education to be successful

04:13:37 nubbins`: heheheh

04:14:05 pankkake: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_college_dropout_billionaires

04:14:05 ozbot: List of college dropout billionaires - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

04:14:09 pankkake: lol, there is even a *list*

04:15:17 pankkake: The average net worth of billionaires who dropped out of college, $9.4 billion, is approximately triple that of billionaires with Ph.D.s, $3.2 billion.

04:16:47 mircea_popescu: lol

04:16:56 mircea_popescu: who knew his argument is that broken./

04:17:12 mircea_popescu: not only i'm overeducated and pretty close to that billion, but it seems it even correlates inversely.

04:17:29 mircea_popescu: way to go john q public, you got more things wrong than there even were on the test!

04:30:57 mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=347008.0

04:30:58 ozbot: The Official MCXNOW - REALSOLID SCAM Thread - Please add to this if u scammed.

04:31:09 mircea_popescu: wait a minute. the mcxnow was related to the realsolid guy ?

04:31:12 mircea_popescu: that latter day dank ?!

04:31:15 mircea_popescu: bwahahahahaa

04:37:38 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Yeah, he started it because no one wanted to list his abandoncoin.

04:38:06 mircea_popescu: i can't believe someone bought that.

04:47:14 mike_c: $32 for an audiobook? really?

04:47:32 pankkake: why buy it?

04:47:53 mike_c: tpb doesn't seem to have a lot of audiobooks.

04:48:18 pankkake: if it's not too private, I can search for it in some other place

04:48:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 45 @ 0.00374 = 0.1683 BTC [+]

04:48:53 mike_c: ah, found it. thanks though.

04:58:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 474 @ 0.00180676 = 0.8564 BTC [-] {13}

04:58:41 drmandude: I just won a bet, but ended up with less than I bet...

04:58:46 drmandude: is that normal

04:59:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 977 @ 0.00173459 = 1.6947 BTC [-] {8}

04:59:07 mircea_popescu: drmandude did you bet relatively late ?

04:59:16 drmandude: probabl

04:59:16 drmandude: y

04:59:28 drmandude: just seems kinda like a buzz kill to lose money on winning a bet

04:59:59 BingoBoingo: drmandude: That weight is a dangerous thing... BitBet has that calculator on the page for a reason...

05:00:17 mircea_popescu: well yeah, i guess it is a buzz kill.

05:01:04 drmandude: Still. You'd think you'd get out at least what you put in

05:01:06 drmandude: for winning

05:01:26 mircea_popescu: well, bitbet takes 1%. if you don't get at least 1% from the winnings pool, you walk out short.

05:01:59 pankkake: Arnold Rothstein bet?

05:02:14 drmandude: yeahhh

05:02:18 drmandude: i also bet on some others

05:02:21 drmandude: this was just the first to come in

05:02:34 mircea_popescu: lol hi there. you were mentioned in despatches earlier.

05:02:38 drmandude: rothstein isn't killed by anyone in BW empire so I was like...f no is he dying

05:02:45 pankkake: yeah, we actually predicted you!

05:03:03 drmandude: Sorry I'm a noob to this. Not trying to make trouble :-)

05:03:18 pankkake: well the issue was both weight and really few Yes

05:03:29 mircea_popescu: drmandude the idea here is, that if a bet runs for say a month, and you put 1 btc when it opens, some dude betting like 3 weeks later can't get as much as you do of the winnings

05:03:34 mircea_popescu: so there's a weight, by time.

05:03:38 drmandude: totes makes sense

05:03:49 mircea_popescu: the result of this is that if you bet very late you may end up with like a <1% loss

05:03:51 drmandude: i misinterpreted the calculations on my end

05:03:58 drmandude: i got nervous because bitbet has some some bad press

05:04:13 drmandude: im sure you saw a few twitterss

05:04:23 drmandude: but then it just showed up

05:04:24 mircea_popescu: i don't follow twitter actually.

05:04:35 mircea_popescu: the girl makes btctalk reports which i occasionalyl read.

05:04:37 drmandude: they were talking on bitcointalk and reddit

05:04:38 pankkake: you probably don't want to bet on anything that doesn't get you at least a few percents, not worth the risk of losing vs. winning

05:04:53 drmandude: im realizing that. I was getting the hang of it.

05:05:01 pankkake: yeah, it's fun

05:05:07 BingoBoingo: drmandude: This problem is why I prefer shooting from the hip and betting as close to open as possible and then defending my stake as other people bet.

05:05:09 drmandude: consequenrtly, this conversation just happened

05:05:11 mircea_popescu: drmandude you can easily verify it pays because well... go to an opld bet, click on the payout links

05:05:11 pankkake: I'm happy with my last month despite mostly losing :D

05:05:17 mircea_popescu: you see the payouts on blockchain

05:05:43 mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/446/novak-djokovic-to-win-at-wimbledon-2013/ << back in may! different set of haters then!

05:05:46 ozbot: BitBet - Novak Djokovic to win at Wimbledon 2013

05:05:50 drmandude: yeah mircea_popescu the issue was some idiots without confirmation or payout addresses that expire and call foul at bitbet

05:05:56 pankkake: BingoBoingo: "defending my stake"?

05:06:06 mircea_popescu: drmandude yeah.

05:06:37 BingoBoingo: pankkake: Yeah, curating the odds, hedging on the other side if someone dumps a large bet that skews things.

05:06:44 pankkake: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=192122.msg2190824#msg2190824 wow this is SO OFFENSIVE

05:06:46 ozbot: bitbet.us scammers ignore delivered BFL products

05:06:51 drmandude: so you guys predicted me, the guy that lost money on a win, to come complain?

05:06:52 drmandude: :-)

05:06:59 pankkake: I mean, I am offended, I am a tech person.

05:07:13 pankkake: hehe

05:07:18 drmandude: you have every right to be

05:07:24 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-11-2013#392517

05:07:26 ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log

05:07:39 mircea_popescu: drmandude ^

05:08:52 pankkake: drmandude: I want to send you 0.0006969 BTC

05:09:39 pankkake: wow it even has two 69. magic

05:09:42 mircea_popescu: pankkake i imagine she got a buncha people's small cow with springs by that comment.

05:10:45 pankkake: wow so that thread was about claiming that BFL delivered

05:10:50 pankkake: LOL

05:10:54 mircea_popescu: yup

05:11:25 mircea_popescu: actually. that thread was about claiming that bitbet is a scam because bfl delivered and bitbet resolved the bet WRONGLY!!!

05:11:34 mircea_popescu: course bfl hasn't delivered yet

05:11:51 mircea_popescu: but that's ok, because while bitbet is still here, the "community" of one is gone,

05:12:00 mircea_popescu: to be replaced by a different "community" of one.

05:20:25 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2013/they-really-are-buttcoins-nao/#comment-91934 pankkake that's a pretty lol comment in retrospect.

05:20:26 ozbot: They really are Buttcoins nao pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

05:20:44 mircea_popescu: i suppose mpoe-pr should give the 10 bitcoin guy the buttcoin picture and make it all even.

05:21:37 pankkake: I'd love to be that guy

05:21:54 pankkake: "best investment in my life: putting stuff in my ass"

05:22:22 kakobrekla: from ass to asset

05:24:47 BingoBoingo: The Buttcoin will probably go down in history with the Bitcoin Pizza http://fraudsters.com/2013/perfect-money-corrupts-absolutely/ I imagine fresh buttcoins are probably down to 0.01-0.05 BTC

05:25:30 mircea_popescu: pankkake ironically, all teh peeps ranting about how bitbet is a smalltime this that and the other,

05:25:39 mircea_popescu: blissfully ignorant of good stuff like this.

05:25:47 mircea_popescu: it really helps my lols.

05:27:02 pankkake: if I had bitcoins to spare I'd probably spend my days doing similar stuff

05:27:10 pankkake: people will do anything for a few coins

05:27:23 pankkake: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=261119.0 was fun enough

05:27:24 mircea_popescu: pankkake you probably also missed out on

05:27:26 ozbot: [QRK] QuarkCoin giveaway - 26k to donate

05:27:33 mircea_popescu: ;;google valiant prince mp echo chambers

05:27:34 gribble: gorilla vs. bear's albums of 2012: http://www.gorillavsbear.net/2012/12/02/gorilla-vs-bears-albums-of-2012/; Valiant prince MP explores the mother of all echo chambers. A saga ...: http://fraudsters.com/valiant-prince-mp-explores-the-mother-of-all-echo-chambers-a-saga-of-our-times; From Valiant, The Final Warning - nesara: http://nesaranews.blogspot.com/2013/07/from-valiant- (1 more message)

05:28:38 mircea_popescu: something awful got incredibly bothered that their "bitcoin buys nothing irl" winner argument got sunk by "here's tits, here's ass lol"

05:28:40 pankkake: why is it so long

05:28:49 mircea_popescu: it's the length that makes it good.

05:28:49 pankkake: (that's what she said)

05:29:04 mircea_popescu: anyway. this is all for me. see you all tomorrow.

05:29:37 mike_c: mircea_popescu: do options auto-exercise? just wondering if i need to bring my keys with me on my trip.

05:30:08 mike_c: ugh, did you leave? jurov, do you know?

05:31:35 kakobrekla: iirc its automagic but have someone confirm if its srs monies

05:31:41 pankkake: shit, if I want to send that 0.0006969, Armory wants to put in a fee of 0.005. madness

05:32:20 mike_c: thanks kako, i'll try to get it confirmed. It's srs enough.

05:44:42 Tulak_: The new age is upon us

05:44:46 Tulak_: For I have returned

05:44:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.20399995 BTC [+]

05:45:12 pankkake: at this hour?

05:45:18 Tulak_: pankkake,

05:45:25 Tulak_: i keep writing you naughty messages on btctalk

05:45:33 kakobrekla: O_o

05:45:33 Tulak_: but you never replied. now im butthurt (literally)

05:45:35 pankkake: only got one

05:45:37 pankkake: :)

05:45:42 pankkake: Tulak_: ♥

05:45:48 Tulak_: pankkake, <3

05:45:48 kakobrekla: talk to jurov for naughy

05:45:58 mike_c: ;;bc,24hprc

05:45:59 gribble: Error: Failed to retrieve data. Try again later.

05:46:04 Tulak_: ;;ticker

05:46:04 gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 856.68603, Best ask: 864.9999, Bid-ask spread: 8.31387, Last trade: 856.68103, 24 hour volume: 27613.39658851, 24 hour low: 765.0, 24 hour high: 869.89, 24 hour vwap: 824.15328

05:46:09 Tulak_: going up i see

05:46:15 kakobrekla: wrong direction

05:46:19 pankkake: ;;bc,stats

05:46:21 gribble: Current Blocks: 271568 | Current Difficulty: 6.094826798883545E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 272159 | Next Difficulty In: 591 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 3 hours, 51 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 699441585.558 | Estimated Percent Change: 14.75988

05:46:31 pankkake: if it's less than 20% again I'd be less frustrated about my lost bet

05:46:46 kakobrekla: what was the last time

05:46:53 pankkake: 19.something

05:46:57 kakobrekla: heh

05:46:58 pankkake: and the bet was "always 20 or over"

05:47:01 kakobrekla: yea

05:47:11 kakobrekla: should have plugged in ur cpu

05:47:22 pankkake: I started my 2 erupters again actually

05:47:27 kakobrekla: lolz

05:47:31 pankkake: I wanted to believe

05:48:00 pankkake: should have solo mined

05:48:12 Tulak_: pankkake, you want to hear the most retard move ever done

05:48:36 pankkake: besides never buying bitcoins for 3 years? :)

05:49:36 Tulak_: nevermind ;(

05:49:45 Diablo-D3: http://imgur.com/gallery/3onivJa

05:49:46 ozbot: I was bored so I animated the "Bitcoin Accepted Here" image. - Imgur

05:50:26 mike_c: heh, sweet. boingo, put that on your blog.

05:50:28 pankkake: Tulak_: do tell

05:50:43 kakobrekla: oh wow that gif, price should be 2000 now.

05:50:48 Tulak_: did a bitbet which had No and Yes at around 0.9 ;)

05:50:59 kakobrekla: negative fucks given!

05:51:12 kakobrekla: for the pic to be clear.

05:51:14 KRS1: -fuck * -fuck = +fuck

05:51:22 Tulak_: let's %fuck this

05:51:36 pankkake: Tulak_: I don't understand

05:51:40 KRS1: the % of fucks who give a fuck is fuck%

05:52:33 Tulak_: pankkake, neither do I

05:53:06 kakobrekla: anyway back to the topic, labcoin.

05:53:15 Tulak_: who is labcoin

05:53:19 Tulak_: ;;ud labcoin

05:53:20 gribble: Google found nothing.

05:53:20 kakobrekla: zactly.

05:54:05 pankkake: google translated spams are hilarious. "the machine of thunder bitcoin mine"

05:54:07 kakobrekla: !l bt labcoin

05:54:07 assbot: Last trade for LABCOIN on BTCTC was at 0.0001799 BTC [+]

05:54:18 pankkake: I belive I got that one

05:54:23 kakobrekla: what happend then

05:54:27 kakobrekla: i didnt follow

05:54:32 pankkake: but then it was on cryptostocks

05:54:49 pankkake: well endless excuses and delays and now nothing, guy disappeared

05:54:55 BingoBoingo: Thanks mike_c, Tulak_ labcoin is just a continuation of the ancient BitDayTrade scam

05:55:23 Tulak_: plenty of scams atm

05:55:30 Tulak_: ukyo, tf

05:55:31 kakobrekla: yeah that alberto is such toolbox extraordinaire

05:55:36 pankkake: morality: do not trust Italians or Australians

05:55:46 Tulak_: im half italian

05:55:49 Tulak_: dont trust me halfway through

05:56:07 Tulak_: you can trust me with your money tho, but you can't bet on me returning it

05:56:21 pankkake: hehe

05:56:43 Tulak_: any decent movies running in cinema

05:56:52 Tulak_: gonna take my girl out. got coupons for popcorn and movies

05:56:58 Tulak_: need a decent movie now

05:57:01 kakobrekla: pankkake the italians who hate italians are just fine

05:57:27 pankkake: hmm. that works for frenchies too

05:57:40 pankkake: Tulak_: I'm afraid I never go to the movies

05:57:45 pankkake: I just steal them

05:58:25 Tulak_: :(

05:58:40 Tulak_: this is tom cruise doing a sad face :((

05:58:53 pankkake: why, he has two mouths?

05:59:03 pankkake: and why tom cruise

05:59:06 Tulak_: because he is extra disappointed in you

05:59:14 Tulak_: because tom cruise is awesome and is in scientology

05:59:18 pankkake: :D

05:59:29 KRS1: he is extra crazy

05:59:34 kakobrekla: hm Tulak_ you are in germany?

05:59:35 pankkake: some people tell me I look like him. though it depends on the hair

05:59:36 Tulak_: he is extra handsome

05:59:41 Tulak_: kakobrekla, jawohl mein herr

05:59:46 pankkake: never got my any girl

06:00:11 pankkake: probably because the ressemblance started when he was a has-been already

06:01:06 kakobrekla: Tulak_ how far from Nurnberg

06:01:55 Tulak_: kakobrekla, too far

06:01:58 Tulak_: you need someome beat up?

06:02:12 kakobrekla: doesnt matter if its too far but thanks.

06:03:03 Tulak_: its like 400km

06:03:06 Tulak_: im sorry :(

06:03:23 kakobrekla: you have nothing to be sorry about

06:03:33 Tulak_: BUT I DO APOLOGIZAREIERWJFAODJG

06:04:37 kakobrekla: do you aplogize for apologizing unnecessarily?

06:04:54 Tulak_: don't send me down that road

06:04:55 pankkake: this could be a deadly loop

06:05:10 Tulak_: im already talking with walls

06:05:14 Tulak_: don't push me too far :(

06:05:33 Tulak_: where is mircea?

06:05:33 kakobrekla: well i wont casuse nurnberg is too far

06:05:43 Tulak_: we need to discuss my place in the sith council

06:05:52 pankkake: went away right before you got here

06:05:58 Tulak_: as planned

06:06:16 pankkake: check the log, it was fun today

06:06:16 kakobrekla: how your connections going btw

06:06:21 Tulak_: so who is ukyo

06:06:27 Tulak_: no connections so far

06:06:33 kakobrekla: Tulak_ exactly

06:07:39 Tulak_: :(

06:08:06 Tulak_: i'd better shut up then

06:08:18 kakobrekla: Tulak_ he is some guy who ran play exhcange and was bad at it, he ended up getting a loan from tah comunitah to which he owes now 1mio or something

06:09:01 Tulak_: weexchange that is

06:09:08 kakobrekla: buttfunder

06:09:13 pankkake: buttfondler

06:09:23 Tulak_: bitfonder

06:09:30 Tulak_: butfinder

06:09:33 kakobrekla: bitfaker

06:09:35 Tulak_: buttfinder!!

06:09:46 pankkake: buttfinger

06:09:51 Tulak_: you mean kickstarter for bitcoins

06:09:51 kakobrekla: well something like that

06:10:00 kakobrekla: more like scamstarter

06:10:08 Tulak_: solo job?

06:10:09 pankkake: well kickstarter has many scams

06:10:15 Tulak_: btw, lulling at the logs

06:10:19 pankkake: and you don't get any profts with kickstarters

06:10:25 pankkake: so, yeah, like that :D

06:10:34 kakobrekla: lol

06:10:39 BingoBoingo: Tulak_: I might be able to give you a connection. Do you want to buy a blurry JPEG of some trees?

06:10:46 Tulak_: pankkake, you are getting mentioned in a game nobody will ever buy.

06:10:57 Tulak_: BingoBoingo, thanks but I'd rather remain a comatose shadow

06:11:04 pankkake: a game?

06:11:22 Tulak_: yea, i only read kickstarters for games

06:11:24 BingoBoingo: Tulak_: Shadows tend to be scams

06:11:48 Tulak_: BingoBoingo, if you ever see me loan or buy btc consider me compromised

06:12:00 pankkake: BingoBoingo: what do you mean?

06:12:26 Tulak_: me=myaccount

06:12:51 mike_c: ;;ident Tulak_

06:12:51 gribble: Nick 'Tulak_', with hostmask 'Tulak_!~Tulak@ip-109-44-100-0.web.vodafone.de', is not identified.

06:13:05 pankkake: well, I'm thinking of making a loan this next year. but in fiat :D

06:13:19 Tulak_: ;;ident mike_c

06:13:19 gribble: Nick 'mike_c', with hostmask 'mike_c!~mike_c@unaffiliated/mike-c/x-9105598', is identified as user mike_c, with GPG key id 4FBC58464F910E21, key fingerprint 9086CA4627840552468FE3D44FBC58464F910E21, and bitcoin address None

06:13:38 Tulak_: ;;slap mike_c

06:13:44 mike_c: mmm

06:13:54 pankkake: oh, this actually exists

06:14:00 BingoBoingo: pankkake: People who insist on being unconnected shadows while taking deposits tend to go TradeFortress either through malice or incompetence.

06:14:23 pankkake: BingoBoingo: oh. well, the thing is, being anonymous has many advantages, even for a non-scammer

06:14:43 mike_c: pankkake, we've all seen a million pictures of you

06:14:44 pankkake: I mean, I'd certainly disclose my identity to key people

06:14:57 Tulak_: ;;ud prolapse

06:14:58 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Accidental%20Prolapse | When a person is extremely constipated and keeps trying to defecate, even when they shouldn't. There are three signs that you are close to an accid...

06:14:58 ozbot: Urban Dictionary: Accidental Prolapse

06:15:11 BingoBoingo: pankkake: Yeah. I don't think anons could ever run deposit services worth trusting though.

06:15:16 mike_c: you posted a picture of your feet just the other day

06:15:32 Tulak_: No one should trust anons running a service

06:15:40 Tulak_: cause once the bank fills up, they be gone in no time

06:15:41 pankkake: wasn't me

06:15:54 pankkake: some people are genuinly nice

06:16:21 pankkake: I believe I am. I can be an asshole when talking to people but I don't steal or anything

06:16:50 truffles: a saint

06:17:23 Tulak_: or a sinner

06:18:12 pankkake: probably read too many books about how natural law is the greatest thing ever

06:18:47 BingoBoingo: Eh, at a minimum people should at least have GPG keys and all the other requirements for personhood filled.

06:18:47 pankkake: sometime I feel people only don't steal because it's "illegal"

06:18:50 truffles: thats a rare thing

06:19:08 pankkake: I have GPG keys but with not enough bits

06:19:27 pankkake: I am 1/4person then

06:19:32 truffles: pankkake u might be right about the illegal

06:20:16 pankkake: well, stealing is every glorified sometimes… I don't think those people are really evil

06:20:25 pankkake: s/every/even/

06:22:34 truffles: we're all capable of evil so..

06:23:12 pankkake: true

06:23:42 truffles: so u dont just draw the line at stealing?

06:24:20 truffles: guess ill have to look into this natural law

06:24:41 truffles: wonder if its modeled off the 10 commandments hmmm

06:25:28 BingoBoingo: Eh, evil isn't so bad. You just have to pick the right kinds of evil. Theft is bad evil. Selling fake Paleo beef jerky that is half wheat hulls and half lactose is awesome kickass evil.

06:25:46 Tulak_: BingoBoingo, bookmarked

06:26:58 truffles: how would one know of product contents to determine this kickass evil

06:29:10 pankkake: BingoBoingo: giving cancer is evil

06:29:25 pankkake: that's like that crazy bugchaser thing

06:29:51 truffles: failed to think one would do that on purpose, but figured it was corners cutting..

06:29:56 BingoBoingo: pankkake: IRC causes cancer

06:31:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 189 @ 0.00219897 = 0.4156 BTC [+] {3}

06:32:55 Tulak_: feeling it already

06:34:19 truffles: but here we r

06:37:20 thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: Theft and robbery are the coolest of all crimes.

06:37:43 BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Nah, they have nothing on Disorderly Conduct

06:38:21 truffles: stealing is cool 0.0

06:38:45 pankkake: thestringpuller: you must be working for bitbet

06:39:05 truffles: lol

06:42:05 thestringpuller: pankkake: bitbet couldn't afford my robbery services

06:42:08 thestringpuller: payoff too little

06:47:10 truffles: http://www.theurbangent.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/neal-caffrey-style-tug-1.jpg makes stealing cool

06:48:12 thestringpuller: that nigga got nothin' on bender

06:48:28 pankkake: well that's the thing, so many movies where stealing is cool

06:49:04 truffles: the detail he puts in to his tasks pretty cool imo

06:49:17 pankkake: where is it from?

06:49:26 pankkake: when I watch the typical spy movie I feel for the people who get cars stolen or destroyed

06:49:28 truffles: White Collar tv show

06:50:08 truffles: there are ppl who steal highway signs n random road things just cuz

06:50:10 truffles: thats just sad

06:50:29 pankkake: at least they could steal the speed meters

06:51:05 truffles: or those orange cones

06:55:51 Tulak_: ;;ud rape

06:55:51 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=rape | A crime. Quite terrible in nature. Often causes sever phycological damage to victim. Forced sexual intercourse. Often very violent in more then jus...

06:55:52 ozbot: Urban Dictionary: rape

06:56:05 pankkake: phycological damage

06:56:40 Tulak_: .S

06:56:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 33 @ 0.0038 = 0.1254 BTC [+]

06:59:05 Tulak_: Quite terrible

06:59:08 Tulak_: oO

07:00:23 truffles: unless person is sadist, i think both will be in psy damage

07:03:59 Tulak_: ;;ud truffles

07:03:59 Tulak_: oh comeon ffs

07:04:00 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=truffles | A species of mushroom which contains some edible varieties.

07:04:00 ozbot: Urban Dictionary: truffles

07:04:26 truffles: ;;google truffles

07:04:27 gribble: Truffle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truffle; Wild About Mushrooms: Truffles: http://www.mssf.org/cookbook/truffles.html; Chocolate Truffles Recipe : Alton Brown : Recipes : Food Network: http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/alton-brown/chocolate-truffles-recipe/

07:06:49 Tulak_: yay

07:08:23 Tulak_: Venat!

07:13:00 truffles: ;;google Venat

07:13:01 gribble: Venat - Final Fantasy Wiki - Wikia: http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Venat; Venat | Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/TheBloodyChamber; Final Fantasy 12 - Vayne Meets Venat - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cibQCyJr4Qs

07:17:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 250 @ 0.0018 = 0.45 BTC [-] {2}

07:17:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.426 BTC [-]

07:17:58 Venat: more fitting

07:22:46 truffles: for what

07:24:33 Venat: Tulak was registered alread

07:24:37 Venat: and i was forced to use tulak_

07:24:37 Venat: -.-

07:25:27 pankkake: if the nick wasn't used for a long time, you can ask freenode to release it

07:25:58 pankkake: 8 weeks, probably not enough

07:27:21 truffles: cant imagine any1 else wanting to be called truffles :D

07:28:19 pankkake: why not?

07:28:34 truffles: cuz its mine

07:28:35 truffles: muahaha

07:29:15 thestringpuller: ;;ud work

07:29:15 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=work | A worldwide slave labour organisation used to control modern man and prevent independant thought from occuring in any form. This is the reason it's...

07:29:16 ozbot: Urban Dictionary: work

07:29:23 Venat: ;;ud rapper

07:29:23 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Backpack%20Rapper | backpack rapper- Person who dislikes Mainstream and Commercial rap a lot. Person who raps about real life shit that matters and has experienced, ra...

07:29:24 ozbot: Urban Dictionary: Backpack Rapper

07:29:29 pankkake: http://lifewise.canoe.ca/FoodDrink/LatestNews/2013/11/11/21260246-relaxnews.html

07:29:30 ozbot: CANOE - Lifewise LatestNews: White truffles worth more than gold at Italian auction

07:29:35 thestringpuller: ;;ud work

07:29:35 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=work | A worldwide slave labour organisation used to control modern man and prevent independant thought from occuring in any form. This is the reason it's...

07:29:35 ozbot: Urban Dictionary: work

07:29:45 thestringpuller: lol

07:30:38 truffles: chocolate ones are teh best

07:30:39 thestringpuller: !ticker h am1

07:30:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK:AM1] 1D: 0.31250000 / 0.3546657 / 0.43979999 (324 shares, 114.91168541 BTC), 7D: 0.23500000 / 0.4107217 / 0.58289999 (2647 shares, 1087.18033687 BTC), 30D: 0.23500000 / 0.53880394 / 0.96000000 (7144 shares, 3849.21536890 BTC)

07:30:40 thestringpuller: !ticker h am100

07:30:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK:AM100] 1D: 0.00305501 / 0.00338746 / 0.00380000 (4942 shares, 16.74082523 BTC), 7D: 0.00270000 / 0.00378038 / 0.00586900 (54458 shares, 205.87206506 BTC), 30D: 0.00270000 / 0.00523676 / 0.00880000 (184570 shares, 966.54898325 BTC)

07:31:12 thestringpuller: !ticker m s.mpoe

07:31:13 assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00077981 / 0.00078666 / 0.00079063 (70250 shares, 55.26 BTC), 7D: 0.0007725 / 0.00080427 / 0.00085604 (1486671 shares, 1,195.69 BTC), 30D: 0.0007725 / 0.00082342 / 0.00088996 (5167769 shares, 4,255.27 BTC)

07:32:08 thestringpuller: !last m s.mpoe

07:32:08 assbot: Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.00079063 BTC [+]

07:32:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 119 @ 0.00180601 = 0.2149 BTC [+]

07:33:09 truffles: they dont look pretty do they, yet so pricey

07:33:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 169 @ 0.00180355 = 0.3048 BTC [-] {2}

07:34:42 thestringpuller: MPOE seems to hold its value over time given it's over a year old

07:34:54 thestringpuller: asicminer had a huge bubble yo

07:35:04 truffles: "At first, I was really freaked out. But a lot of things are said on the Internet, so I stopped being so bothered."

07:39:21 Venat: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bu3DE6JpPkM

07:39:21 ozbot: ZACK AND TIFA MEET IN ENGLISH - YouTube

07:40:42 pankkake: who's the slut?

07:41:08 Venat: tifa

07:41:11 Venat: ;;ud tifa

07:41:12 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=tifa | A fine, upstanding young virgin woman from Final Fantasy 7 who, unfortunately, has become the obsession of many perverted hentai artists, and has t...

07:41:13 ozbot: Urban Dictionary: tifa

07:41:37 truffles: memories

07:41:44 thestringpuller: lol that game is still dope

07:41:48 thestringpuller: I got high as shit and started playing it

07:41:56 thestringpuller: that game made me trip balls

07:42:00 truffles: have not played another since 8

07:42:04 pankkake: google images has many cosplays

07:42:05 truffles: way to ruin it !

07:42:10 pankkake: thank god for cosplay

07:42:13 pankkake: and sluts

07:42:31 thestringpuller: they aren't really sluts though, more like attention whores

07:42:39 thestringpuller: you flirt with one of them and they immediately become bitchy

07:42:39 pankkake: true

07:42:40 truffles: virgin sluts hmm

07:42:51 thestringpuller: no whispering dirty things in the ears of the cosplayers :(

07:42:52 pankkake: false advertising

07:42:55 pankkake: scamsluts

07:43:10 thestringpuller: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7QNw1LRJv4

07:43:17 pankkake: http://latrola.net/freaks/images/Tifa.jpg

07:43:17 thestringpuller: ^relevant

07:44:40 truffles: whore uniform, must be a myth

07:45:46 truffles: doesnt stop the perverts

07:46:15 Venat: big tits is all I need

07:46:58 truffles: still staring at a man wearing a skirt with belly hanging out

07:47:11 truffles: hope he only wore it inside..

07:47:44 Venat: man I wish they remaked FFVII

07:48:05 truffles: its just gonna have classic status, move on with ur life

07:48:36 Venat: or they should remake Majoras Mask

07:48:37 Venat: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqdwT2pKYzY

07:48:37 ozbot: Majora's Mask Wii U Trailer - The Legend of Zelda HD 2012 - YouTube

07:49:32 Diablo-D3: >2012

07:49:34 Diablo-D3: >never came out

07:49:37 Diablo-D3: problem solved

07:49:39 Venat: yea

07:49:49 Venat: it was more like a demonstration

07:50:00 Venat: never mind dont watch that

07:50:06 Venat: because there is some fuckhead at the end babbling shit

07:50:08 truffles: too late

07:50:38 Venat: ;;google lightning returns

07:50:39 gribble: LIGHTNING RETURNS: FINAL FANTASY XIII: http://www.lightningreturns.com/; Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII - Final Fantasy Wiki - Wikia: http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Lightning_Returns:_Final_Fantasy_XIII; Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightning_Returns:_Final_Fantasy_XIII

07:50:49 Venat: ;;google lightning returns release date

07:50:50 gribble: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightning_Returns:_Final_Fantasy_XIII; Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII - PlayStation 3 - IGN: http://www.ign.com/games/final-fantasy-xiii-3-140567/ps3-127607; Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII - Xbox 360 - IGN: http://www.ign.com/games/final-fantasy- (1 more message)

07:50:55 Venat: oh fuck off

07:51:04 truffles: itson xbox?

07:51:28 Venat: 14. february

07:51:28 Venat: i guess

07:51:37 Venat: ffxiii and ffxiii-2 was on ps3 and xbox90000

07:51:43 truffles: sigh there goes my free time

07:53:39 Diablo-D3: +ticker

07:53:41 Diablo-D3: er

07:53:44 Diablo-D3: ;;ticker

07:53:44 gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 866.0, Best ask: 866.01037, Bid-ask spread: 0.01037, Last trade: 866.0, 24 hour volume: 28202.48782982, 24 hour low: 765.0, 24 hour high: 870.0, 24 hour vwap: 826.92686

07:54:02 truffles: thought i saw under 800 recently 0.0

07:54:40 BingoBoingo: ;;sell 195000

07:54:40 gribble: (sell <amount> <thing> [at|@] <priceperunit> <otherthing> [<notes>]) -- Logs a sell order for <amount> units of <thing, at a price of <price> per unit, in units of <otherthing>. Use the optional <notes> field to put in any special notes. <price> may include an arithmetical expression, and {(mtgox|bitstamp)(ask|bid|last|high|low|avg)} to index price to mtgox ask, bid, last, high, low, (1 more message)

07:54:47 pankkake: well 24 hour low: 765.0

07:55:04 BingoBoingo: ;;sell 19500 BTC

07:55:04 gribble: (sell <amount> <thing> [at|@] <priceperunit> <otherthing> [<notes>]) -- Logs a sell order for <amount> units of <thing, at a price of <price> per unit, in units of <otherthing>. Use the optional <notes> field to put in any special notes. <price> may include an arithmetical expression, and {(mtgox|bitstamp)(ask|bid|last|high|low|avg)} to index price to mtgox ask, bid, last, high, low, (1 more message)

07:55:10 pankkake: ;;market sell 19500

07:55:12 gribble: A market order to sell 19500 bitcoins right now would net 14570023.6211 USD and would take the last price down to 607.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 747.1807 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0022 seconds

07:55:20 pankkake: sell is for OTC

07:55:26 Venat: what the fuck

07:55:31 BingoBoingo: ;;market sell 195000

07:55:31 gribble: A market order to sell 195000 bitcoins right now would net 37537295.7322 USD and would take the last price down to 4.0200 USD, resulting in an average price of 192.4990 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 19.0587 seconds

07:56:47 truffles: why is google telling me it wont happen venat

07:57:47 Venat: truffles, not happen what

07:57:56 truffles: 7 to xbox

07:58:01 Venat: not 7

07:58:03 Venat: but ffxiii-3

07:58:11 truffles: 13

07:58:13 truffles: puke

07:58:59 Venat: dont be so harsh

07:59:01 truffles: http://www.destructoid.com/final-fantasy-vii-nes-restoration-sees-release-265640.phtml this guy needs a medal

07:59:02 ozbot: Final Fantasy VII NES restoration sees release - Destructoid

07:59:05 Venat: they tried the hardest

07:59:31 Diablo-D3: wat

08:02:23 Venat: ;;ud lube

08:02:24 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=lube | Short for "lubricant." Commercial product used to lubricate sexual intercourse, often anal sex between two men. Lube allows the penis to enter the ...

08:02:24 ozbot: Urban Dictionary: lube

08:02:41 truffles: enter the ??

08:03:12 Venat: grotto of pleasure

08:03:56 Venat: Lube allows the penis to enter the anus without pulling or tearing of the anal tissue. It also allows time for the anus to expand and accept the incoming phallus.

08:06:58 kakobrekla: just spit

08:09:05 truffles: wont u need like a bucket of spit, lube solves this dilemma

08:09:42 kakobrekla: dunno how you manage to do that, i dont

08:10:17 Venat: a bucket of spit

08:17:54 KRS1: !seen vexual

08:18:00 KRS1: ;;seen vexual

08:18:01 gribble: vexual was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 20 hours, 19 minutes, and 4 seconds ago: <Vexual> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEEWE7gcPw0

08:18:36 KRS1: lol that ho

08:19:40 Venat: ;;seen KRS1

08:19:40 gribble: KRS1 was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 minute and 3 seconds ago: <KRS1> lol that ho

08:19:59 truffles: u want party KRS1

08:21:15 Venat: ;;seen mircea_popescu

08:21:16 gribble: mircea_popescu was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 hours, 52 minutes, and 11 seconds ago: <mircea_popescu> anyway. this is all for me. see you all tomorrow.

08:25:02 Venat: ;;seen TradeFortress

08:25:02 gribble: TradeFortress was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 5 days, 21 hours, 18 minutes, and 46 seconds ago: <TradeFortress> I especially love their 64 (?) core servers when the deadlock is probably db locking.

08:25:11 thestringpuller: what do you want with the chairman, Venat ?

08:25:24 Venat: nothing, yet

08:26:25 Venat: Nancy lives on 480 acres in the middle of nowhere with horses, a donkey, dogs, cats, and chickens, and stays connected by satellite.

08:28:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.425 BTC [-]

08:28:43 thestringpuller: Venat: I have a billion dollar idea for you

08:28:45 thestringpuller: a

08:28:50 thestringpuller: hoodrat acquisition service

08:29:00 Venat: spare me the bullshit

08:29:48 thestringpuller: no fo realz

08:29:52 thestringpuller: everyone needs hoodrats

08:29:56 thestringpuller: I need hoodrats right now

08:30:35 truffles: ;;ud hoodrat

08:30:36 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hood%20rat | A girl who sleeps with various men in the neighborhood. Usually noticeable via her slacking standards of personal care.

08:30:36 ozbot: Urban Dictionary: hood rat

08:30:59 Venat: ;;ud trailer trash

08:31:00 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=trailer%20trash | Derogatory description for person who seems well-suited to residential life in a mobile home park and is distinguished by poor hygiene, foul langua...

08:31:01 ozbot: Urban Dictionary: trailer trash

08:31:16 Venat: trailertrash equals hoodrat?

08:32:37 KRS1: kinda

08:32:44 KRS1: trailertrash ~ hoodrat

08:32:58 KRS1: Is it just me or does this seem scammish http://bit-mining.co/

08:36:22 Venat: 27/7 On-site Technical engineer

08:36:22 Venat: lollololool

08:36:39 Venat: the technical engineer uses a timemachine to be there for you for 3 extra hours

08:37:12 Venat: whoever wrote the text on the site is a moron

08:37:16 Venat: does not seem so legit

08:38:15 Venat: I'll be off for now

08:38:35 Venat: I got pressing matters, that need my full attention.

08:38:36 Venat: Hark!

09:35:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.00378 = 0.189 BTC [-]

09:50:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 53 @ 0.00199427 = 0.1057 BTC [-]

09:52:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 999 @ 0.00011198 = 0.1119 BTC [+] {2}

09:54:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 59 @ 0.00379429 = 0.2239 BTC [+]

09:59:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 86 @ 0.00379329 = 0.3262 BTC [-] {2}

10:19:08 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell mike_c yes they autoexercise.

10:19:08 gribble: The operation succeeded.

10:22:34 mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/519/btc-network-difficulty-to-top-1b-before-2014/

10:22:36 ozbot: BitBet - BTC network difficulty to top 1B before 2014

10:22:41 mircea_popescu: as anon says, this thread is motherfucking epic.

10:22:50 mircea_popescu: people who bet no early stand a chance to see even 10x their bet.

10:28:45 mircea_popescu: pankkake you'll have to write-up the many advantages being anon has for me sometime.

10:30:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.4249 = 1.2747 BTC [-]

10:36:28 cazalla: world cup should bring some interesting bets next year

10:36:50 mircea_popescu: indeed.

10:39:02 cazalla: would a prop bet on the outcome of a player collapsing and dying on the pitch from natural causes be a bad bet?

10:39:30 cazalla: not really inciting violence if it's heart or drug related

10:40:31 mircea_popescu: yeah but still.

10:41:19 mircea_popescu: i suppose if you don't name any person it should be fine

10:42:10 cazalla: resolves yes if any player from any team collapses and dies on or later off pitch during world cup 2014

10:42:30 cazalla: would need to be worded better i guess

10:43:16 mircea_popescu: prolly.

10:43:47 mircea_popescu: especially because everyone will die later

10:44:53 mircea_popescu: also, too early to start that sort of wc bet now, because the interval nov 2013 - june 2014 or w/e it starts is just dead air

10:44:54 cazalla: and they would be declared dead after being taken off the pitch and to hospital

10:45:06 mircea_popescu: so you'll end up in june with low weight and people not wanting to bet.

11:15:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 258 @ 0.00179999 = 0.4644 BTC [+] {2}

11:21:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 88 @ 0.00199488 = 0.1755 BTC [+] {2}

11:22:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 276 @ 0.00199494 = 0.5506 BTC [+] {4}

11:23:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 148 @ 0.00199499 = 0.2953 BTC [+] {3}

11:31:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.42 = 0.84 BTC [-]

11:41:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.4 = 0.8 BTC [-]

11:45:30 bitesak: ;;ticker

11:45:30 gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 865.10001, Best ask: 868.989, Bid-ask spread: 3.88899, Last trade: 868.989, 24 hour volume: 28551.92748968, 24 hour low: 765.0, 24 hour high: 875.0, 24 hour vwap: 830.89783

11:50:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 2820 @ 0.00056769 = 1.6009 BTC [+] {2}

11:51:47 jurov`: http://bitcoinscammers.com/bitbet-us/ you re famous and notorious nao

11:51:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 31680 @ 0.00074565 = 23.6222 BTC [+] {3}

11:51:48 ozbot: bitbet.us

11:52:09 jurov`: ^^ lol i did not time this :D

11:52:26 Venat: For I have returned

11:53:19 mircea_popescu: ha

11:53:26 mircea_popescu: $vwap s.bbet

11:53:27 mpexbot: mircea_popescu: S.BBET 1 day: average: 0.00073111 high: 0.00075 low: 0.00055 volume: 34500 btc: 25.2233 7 day: average: 0.00067992 high: 0.00075 low: 0.00045 volume: 42645 btc: 28.995025 30 day: average: 0.00067537 high: 0.00075 low: 0.00045 volume: 66542 btc: 44.94034702

11:53:37 Venat: mircea_popescu, good morning lad

11:53:40 mircea_popescu: hi.

11:53:46 Venat: former Tulak:

11:53:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.41 = 2.05 BTC [+]

11:53:52 Venat: _

11:53:53 mircea_popescu: o i see, someone's made a buncha bets too

11:53:59 Venat: ;;ticker

11:53:59 gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 866.0, Best ask: 869.99999, Bid-ask spread: 3.99999, Last trade: 866.0, 24 hour volume: 28661.26816051, 24 hour low: 765.0, 24 hour high: 875.0, 24 hour vwap: 831.17248

11:55:35 Venat: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=347383.0

11:55:37 ozbot: Can someone explain these charts? :)

11:55:39 mircea_popescu: shaping up to be bitbet's best month to date or some shit.

11:55:54 Venat: facepalm. someone bought bitcoins on kraken.com and wants the candles explained

11:56:18 mircea_popescu: well, he does state he's using a little capital.

11:56:28 mircea_popescu: in that sense bitcoin is great, cheapest finance teaching tool available.

11:56:59 Venat: true

11:57:12 Venat: man, newbie prison is awesome

11:57:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.41 = 2.05 BTC [+]

11:58:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.41 = 0.82 BTC [+]

12:00:47 Venat: ;;ud snatch

12:00:48 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=snatch | 2. snatch. The second most horrific sounding nickname for the human female's genitals(after cunt). ... "Yo Jeff, I lost my arm in your Grandma's snatch last night!".

12:00:48 ozbot: Urban Dictionary: snatch

12:01:15 truffles: ure on a roll with these terms

12:01:34 Venat: just expanding my horizon

12:01:38 Venat: ;;ud snitch

12:01:39 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=snitch | 1. A person who tells on someone. 2. A bum of a person.

12:01:40 ozbot: Urban Dictionary: snitch

12:02:10 truffles: watching the Wire or something?`

12:02:19 Venat: not at all

12:05:20 mircea_popescu: you know you can expand your horizon in the privacy of your own broswer.

12:08:05 Venat: ok.............

12:11:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.4 = 2 BTC [-]

12:12:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.391 BTC [-]

12:39:17 bitesak: seems mpex has not been quoting options for a few days now?

12:52:09 kleeck: Oh shit.

12:52:12 kleeck: You guys see this?

12:52:19 kleeck: http://cryptosource.org/mcxnow-shutting-down/

12:52:20 ozbot: mcxNOW Shutting Down? WOW | CryptoSource

12:53:21 BigBitz: If those reasons are legit then it makes sense.

12:53:34 BigBitz: he wants to ensure quality/support over the long term. Small shut down to regain himself might help.

12:53:48 bitesak: what?

12:53:52 kleeck: Really? It's legit to open an exchange, raise money for shares of your exchange, and then close down because, "Oh, I have to support this?"

12:54:07 BigBitz: Hasn't he said he's returning the coins?

12:54:11 BigBitz: or have I grossly misread that?

12:54:26 kleeck: I haven't read anything about mcxFees yet.

12:54:29 truffles: said take money, need break

12:54:33 bitesak: grossly misunderstood

12:54:59 BigBitz: Hmm to me he wants an opportunity to overhaul it - naiveity might be strong in me this morning though.........

12:55:21 truffles: needs break to find help?

12:55:22 bitesak: he's returning his worthless mcx coins not the bitcoins he got in exchange for them

12:55:30 kleeck: So anyone who has shares in mxcFEE is boned for up to 3months.

12:55:39 BigBitz: Oh that's lame.

12:56:16 truffles: This is a burden of 200 to 400 emails a day among many requests on IRC and through chat.

12:56:34 BigBitz: LRN2HIRE.

12:56:48 truffles: good help is hard to find dude

12:56:55 BigBitz: No doubt...

12:57:10 BigBitz: Nejc from Bitstamp uses only his close friends and all are local - no people from outside Slovenia in his team.

12:57:12 BigBitz: Wise man...

12:57:20 Apocalyptic: lulz BigBitz

12:57:39 Apocalyptic: can't believe you're saying mcxNOW is legit

12:57:43 BigBitz: I am?

12:57:48 BigBitz: Where did I say that?

12:58:17 kleeck: Yeah. How much did he make @ IPO of mcxFEE?

12:58:20 Apocalyptic: you didn't say it exactly word for word, but it's the impression you male

12:58:22 Apocalyptic: *make

12:58:27 bitesak: by inferring the reasons put forth can be legit

12:58:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.425 BTC [+]

12:58:55 kleeck: I'm not familiar with RealSolid's history, but it seems that he has done similar things in the past.

12:58:58 Apocalyptic: kleeck, he raised some millions I believe

12:59:05 mircea_popescu: bitesak yeah, trouble getting teh price signals.

12:59:17 mircea_popescu: kleeck yeah yest or w/e

12:59:19 Apocalyptic: yeah, the MicroCash story

12:59:24 kleeck: Apocalyptic, if only you could get help for under one million...

13:00:01 BigBitz: scan reading an article and saying "if those reasons are legit" isn't exactly a glowing reference as to how it performs as an Exchange :)

13:00:28 BigBitz: I only know one person who has actually used mcxNow - I haven't :)

13:00:53 kleeck: Even his reasoning makes no sense. "This site is custom built on C++ so no one else can help, need to shut down. Well, the real reason is that I get emails...which no one can help with so... Oh yeah, and IRC complaints. No one can help with those either."

13:01:25 kleeck: Sounds like you need a small helpdesk. One to Two level one techs can deal with all that.

13:01:37 BigBitz: to me it read like he wanted to overhaul it and bring other people in... again - not exactly a glowing reference. His previous reigns didn't exactly pan out well...

13:02:01 kleeck: That's kind of my point BigBitz is the issue the site or the support?

13:02:12 kleeck: He isn't consistent.

13:02:17 mircea_popescu: <bitesak> he's returning his worthless mcx coins not the bitcoins he got in exchange for them << this

13:02:28 BigBitz: kleeck depends I guess... if he wants someone to help him re-write maybe? who knows..... but not returning the actual bitcoins is criminal :D

13:02:32 kleeck: "All existing mcxFEE holders will have the same mcxFEE balance when the site relaunches. I’m allowing people to trade mcxFEE up until December 20th in case they want to exit them."

13:02:47 kleeck: "in case"

13:02:48 kleeck: lol

13:02:56 Apocalyptic: :)

13:03:56 iwilcox: Back when mcx opened people seemed to be treating it like "I don't need ASICs, got me another kind of money-printing machine!" — I suspect some think they have a foot in a door or something and won't sell

13:04:32 mircea_popescu: those same people that refuse to take good advice and do all their "investment" on just dice

13:04:53 iwilcox: Yeah, them.

13:06:23 kleeck: Wow. The dude raised 11000 BTC.

13:06:40 kleeck: I'm sure the rise in BTC price has nothing to do with it.

13:06:41 bitesak: I would like to think that is not true...

13:07:04 kleeck: Surely looking at nearly 9million isn't a factor here.

13:07:34 mircea_popescu: kleeck he raised my foot.

13:07:45 bitesak: I mean the 11K raised. Do you have a btc address with some reasonable expectation it is linked to this outfit?

13:07:52 mircea_popescu: he raised 30 btc and self traded for the rest in the hopes of seeming like he's got interest

13:08:04 mircea_popescu: the burnside method, tho it was really pioneered by goat on glbse.

13:09:01 kleeck: No, no. From his "ipo" of mcxFEE he made 11000 BTC.

13:09:04 kleeck: People gave it to him.

13:09:08 kleeck: in exchange for shares of the site.

13:09:20 Apocalyptic: yeah mircea, i don't believe he faked trading on those

13:09:35 Apocalyptic: people were just insane about how innovative it waq

13:09:36 Apocalyptic: *was

13:09:44 mircea_popescu: dude get out, people gave him 11k btc.

13:10:01 kleeck: I haven't done the math. But that's what his forum thread is saying.

13:10:23 mircea_popescu: o i see. well if a forum thread says so then that must be it

13:10:25 mircea_popescu: 0.0

13:10:29 kleeck: Actually Drawingthesun pretty much called it back a few weeks at IPO close.

13:11:10 mircea_popescu: he got ~30 btc from a dozen or so retards.

13:11:12 mircea_popescu: the rest is smoke.

13:12:04 kleeck: Haha. First post on the thread: They're not trying to raise money, they're trying to cash out. The site is ready and operational, so it doesn't need to raise additional capital.

13:12:18 kleeck: Prophetic.

13:13:19 kleeck: I mean, he may have padded the share sales, mircea_popescu, but I was chatting with a number of people excited about this site and wanting to invest in it.

13:13:49 mircea_popescu: i have chatted with a number of people pissed off at bitbet.

13:14:03 kleeck: I imagine so.

13:14:10 ThickAsThieves: NYT be trollin' http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2013/11/25/render-unto-caesar-but-who-backs-the-bitcoin/

13:14:14 kleeck: But, yeah, there is no way to verify the numbers behind the scenes.

13:14:15 mircea_popescu: i think you overestimate the importance of what anon dork says in a chatter box by anywhere between 500 and 54677695 degrees of magnitude.

13:14:27 mircea_popescu: yes, there are plenty of ways. just, not accessible to the public.

13:14:48 ThickAsThieves: <kleeck> No, no. From his "ipo" of mcxFEE he made 11000 BTC. <<< that's unlikely

13:15:02 kleeck: This is what we're discussing ThickAsThieves

13:15:13 ThickAsThieves: oh mp already said that

13:15:20 kleeck: I just conceded that we can't really know outside of what this guy says.

13:15:32 kleeck: I'd say he raised enough to make the venture worthwhile.

13:15:40 ThickAsThieves: it's part of how the scam works

13:15:47 mircea_popescu: kleeck there's multiple ways to know. one is to know all the people who acrually could invest 10k.

13:15:52 ThickAsThieves: great a huge wave and see who sticks their toes in

13:16:02 kleeck: And he at least paid off his "C++ Web Development for Dummies" book.

13:16:03 ThickAsThieves: create*\

13:16:11 mircea_popescu: another is to be one of the visible people to whom people come with questions as to credibility of entrepreneurs.

13:16:45 mircea_popescu: a third is to employ a basementful of gnomes to constantly scan the blockchain

13:16:53 truffles: lotta cynics today

13:17:05 ThickAsThieves: i see no cynicism

13:17:06 mircea_popescu: there's ways. just, nothing at the level of where average redditor's resources are.

13:17:20 truffles: until he bails, ill go with yall jelly

13:17:30 ThickAsThieves: lol

13:17:51 kleeck: At this point if you're not a cynic you're not paying attention.

13:18:03 Apocalyptic: mircea, did actually someone ask you about what do you think of RS ?

13:18:21 kleeck: RS? RoadSilk?

13:18:29 mircea_popescu: someone asked me what i think of rs at least each day since the ipo.

13:18:45 mircea_popescu: someone asked me what i think of tradehill 2.o so many times i had to write a fucking article about it

13:18:47 mircea_popescu: and etc.

13:19:15 BigBitz: what do you think about BitBet stealing 10BTC, mircea_popescu? :D

13:19:21 ThickAsThieves: my first instinct with mcxnow, before the "IPO" was that it's a scam, then once the IPO came I did like 3min of research to discover the guy was indeed shady

13:19:46 BigBitz: yeah ThickAsThieves as I said ^^ his other reigns were interesting...

13:19:58 mircea_popescu: BigBitz https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=343150.msg3713720#msg3713720

13:20:03 mircea_popescu: that dude. he pretty much has it.

13:20:04 ThickAsThieves: hopefully most noobs' lesson-learning was cheap

13:20:05 Apocalyptic: had the same instinct TAT

13:20:12 kleeck: ThickAsThieves, you were close. I believe you suggested ponzi, but it was actually crash and grab. I'll award you 3/5 Scam Detection Points.

13:20:21 kleeck: SDP, new AltCoin. Dibs.

13:20:23 BigBitz: mircea_popescu :)

13:20:37 ThickAsThieves: lol

13:20:40 mircea_popescu: srsly, it's not so hard to figure out the guy, one need but read his genius coin solutions,

13:20:43 mircea_popescu: with the unspendable coins and whatnot

13:21:02 ThickAsThieves: i wonder if one day ponzi will just be redefined to mean 'bitcoin scam'

13:21:22 mircea_popescu: Peter Leeds of the Penny Stock newsletter put it to me this way: ?In a matter of months you won?t be hearing about it. It will go the same way of Paris Hilton. People will move on to the next thing.?

13:21:25 ThickAsThieves: maybe we should choose a term like "a labcoin"

13:21:36 mircea_popescu: let it be entered into the record that peter leeds of obscure shithole has no future in finance.

13:21:47 ThickAsThieves: hehe

13:22:09 mircea_popescu: ?Every big idea starts out sounding crazy. But not every crazy-sounding idea ends up being big,? Matthew O?Brien wrote in The Atlantic in a brilliant takedown of bitcon.

13:22:26 mircea_popescu: further entered into the record that matthre o'brien may never be hired in any white collar capacity.

13:22:31 mircea_popescu: learn to plumb or learn to not eat matt.

13:23:04 mircea_popescu: "But if, and this is a big if, your peer-to-peer transaction doesn?t work properly, there is no central clearinghouse to complain to."

13:23:11 mircea_popescu: jesus god. this guy is retarded wtf.

13:23:12 ThickAsThieves: now imagine that when i first read the article, i thought it was written by AARON sorkin

13:23:17 ThickAsThieves: i was lolling it up

13:23:28 mircea_popescu: ANDREW ROSS SORKIN may not be employed. plumb or starve.

13:23:52 mircea_popescu: lol the "you can't handle the truth" giuy ?

13:23:57 mircea_popescu: that'd have been something...

13:24:23 mircea_popescu: "In truth, the best bitcoin can hope for is to be a second-rate version of gold, if that"

13:24:40 mircea_popescu: no srsly. this is like reading whitehouse sponsored pulp as to why obama is not a fucktard.

13:25:09 mircea_popescu: "all the people saying he's a fucktard are racist and also they didn't check their privilege"

13:29:03 ThickAsThieves: ;;ticker

13:29:03 gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 881.1, Best ask: 886.1, Bid-ask spread: 5.00000, Last trade: 881.1, 24 hour volume: 29975.65641520, 24 hour low: 765.0, 24 hour high: 887.0, 24 hour vwap: 834.25535

13:29:46 ThickAsThieves: i havent looked, but i bet the article also has some choice supporting comments

13:30:28 ThickAsThieves: "If it is digital, it can be hacked"

13:30:52 mircea_popescu: should i link to the fraudsters article about linking analog intercoms i wonder.

13:31:05 mircea_popescu: about hacking*

13:36:52 mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/619/bitcoin-difficulty-at-or-above-2b-before-feb/

13:36:55 ozbot: BitBet - Bitcoin difficulty at or above 2B before Feb 2014

13:37:08 ThickAsThieves: ;;bcstats

13:37:08 mircea_popescu: this thing's shaping up, 13:11 btc so far. what do ye say ?

13:37:10 ThickAsThieves: ;;estimate

13:37:10 gribble: Current Blocks: 271609 | Current Difficulty: 6.094826798883545E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 272159 | Next Difficulty In: 550 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 4 hours, 44 minutes, and 39 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 693619225.587 | Estimated Percent Change: 13.80458

13:37:12 gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 693619225.587 based on data since last change | 703797499.444 based on data for last three days

13:37:14 mircea_popescu: do we cross 2bn in 3 months ?

13:37:40 ThickAsThieves: i dunno, but wtf is bitcoin gonna be worth this Spring?!

13:38:03 mircea_popescu: possibly more than gold.

13:39:23 ThickAsThieves: awww do all bets get a scam warning spam comment now?

13:41:28 mircea_popescu: possibly.

13:41:34 mircea_popescu: freedom of speech eh.

13:42:45 ThickAsThieves: in the kingdom of BitBet? how benevolent

13:43:42 ThickAsThieves: ;;bids 0

13:43:43 gribble: There are currently 12176618 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 37739636.1638 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.4974 seconds

13:43:58 ThickAsThieves: $37m

13:44:12 ThickAsThieves: ;;market buy 1000

13:44:13 gribble: A market order to buy 1000 bitcoins right now would take 890804.4712 USD and would take the last price up to 897.3000 USD, resulting in an average price of 890.8045 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 31.3673 seconds

13:45:00 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2013#292617

13:45:03 ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log

13:45:04 mircea_popescu: always been teh case!

13:45:54 ThickAsThieves: :)

13:51:29 kleeck: .d

13:51:29 ozbot: 609482679.88835 | Next Diff in 546 blocks | Estimated Change: 13.3034% in 3d 6h 46m 9s

14:00:03 dexX7: maybe snackman is mp and this is just a marketing stunt

14:00:43 turbo_ac100: Hi, I submitted the "CIPHERTRADE will go live on 02-01-2014 " bet. Rejection reason is " Needs better specs". The spec was: People are able to submit new assets.

14:00:58 turbo_ac100: Any better ideas

14:00:59 turbo_ac100: ?

14:01:41 mircea_popescu: dexX7 nah it's some dorky kid from pa

14:01:51 dexX7: haha i know :)

14:02:16 mircea_popescu: turbo_ac100 hard to make. as it stands, your bet would be satisfied by a ciphertrade.tripod.com webpage including a form where you can type text and that then gets published

14:02:39 turbo_ac100: true

14:02:40 dexX7: tripod? :D

14:02:46 mircea_popescu: this sorts of bets aren't accepted so as not to transform bitbet into a revenue source for the forum scammers.

14:03:17 mircea_popescu: (otherwise the business model becomes, make 50 forum accounts, herp a lot about some new "exchange", make bitbet bet, profit)

14:03:36 turbo_ac100: seems legit...

14:03:51 mircea_popescu: myeah. the idea is to limit scammer revenue streams.

14:04:31 ThickAsThieves: what if you assigned the bet to Kate instead, like "a crypto-currency based securities exchange will open that Kate-Craig purports to be a partner in ownership"

14:04:33 ThickAsThieves: or whatever

14:05:03 mircea_popescu: then kate can just decide which way the bet closes

14:05:11 mircea_popescu: this isn't a bet in any sense.

14:05:13 ThickAsThieves: by not opening her exchange?

14:05:32 mircea_popescu: you can't have a bet that goes "The Pope will say if this bet wins or loses"

14:05:43 ThickAsThieves: surely bitbet already has some of those

14:05:49 mircea_popescu: not as far as can be helped

14:06:11 ThickAsThieves: like all bets relating to a ship date or opening date

14:06:21 ThickAsThieves: pretty easy for the business to control the outcome

14:06:32 mircea_popescu: except they have actual economic incentive not to.

14:06:35 dexX7: aren't those "exchange x announces it's closure within a year" bets similar?

14:06:38 mircea_popescu: random scam with no business does not.

14:06:50 mircea_popescu: dexX7 no because those have to face withdrawals.

14:07:09 ThickAsThieves: i'm not sure i'd classify cipherstuff as random scam

14:07:11 mircea_popescu: see, the idea is for a bet to be about more than just the bet itself

14:07:17 mircea_popescu: to avoid creating betting black holes

14:07:33 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves on the grounds of what verifiable fact ?

14:08:23 dexX7: deprived is on the boat

14:08:29 ThickAsThieves: well, i know i'm not a random scam

14:08:38 turbo_ac100: dexX7, true that

14:08:38 mircea_popescu: but i know you've paid people.

14:08:39 ThickAsThieves: and i have done many of the things she has

14:08:44 mircea_popescu: who exactly has this thing paid ?

14:08:49 ThickAsThieves: i suppose

14:08:54 mircea_popescu: well ?

14:08:57 mircea_popescu: it's a big difference.

14:09:06 ThickAsThieves: well she's run her assets for a long time and not disappeared

14:09:15 mircea_popescu: "run her assets".

14:09:17 ThickAsThieves: ignorning any delving into the quality of the assets

14:09:18 mircea_popescu: obsi ?

14:09:24 turbo_ac100: ThickAsThieves, ...without reapearing.

14:09:52 ThickAsThieves: my point is that she's super trustworthy,

14:10:00 mircea_popescu: (tbg the theory where kate/craig = the newest identity of the obsi glbse scammer is one of the better)

14:10:06 ThickAsThieves: so much as hard to pin down as not trustworthy

14:10:12 ThickAsThieves: i'm not a fan of some of her ways

14:10:17 ThickAsThieves: but i cant find scamming

14:10:27 mircea_popescu: in some circumstances it's presumed.

14:10:42 ThickAsThieves: oops

14:10:51 ThickAsThieves: <ThickAsThieves> my point is NOT that she's super trustworthy,

14:11:06 mircea_popescu: yeah i gathered.

14:11:45 ThickAsThieves: also, spekaing for Deprived, he is not officially part of her exchange at this time

14:11:51 dexX7: what criteria do you suggest to get a bet including ciphertrade listed on bb?

14:11:55 ThickAsThieves: but may be at some point

14:12:18 ThickAsThieves: dexx7, thats your problem to solve it seems

14:12:42 Apocalyptic: TAT, as far as I know he's jut an "advisor"

14:12:46 ThickAsThieves: right

14:12:53 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves you know, this sort of using repuitable member's naivite... that's how labscam worked with theseven for instance.

14:13:11 mircea_popescu: this is a huge black mark rather than anything else.

14:13:16 ThickAsThieves: yeah, my guess is Deprived was initially down to join, and is now unsure

14:13:17 turbo_ac100: Apocalyptic, he said he considers listing DMS there. Nothing more afaik.

14:13:23 ThickAsThieves: so his name is attached

14:16:10 mircea_popescu: dexX7 i dunno. something that can be verified.

14:16:30 ThickAsThieves: maybe find out the domain name they intend to use?

14:16:37 mircea_popescu: and also something that is hard to do. putting a website up thereupon numbers are displayed is no sort of achievement.

14:17:00 mircea_popescu: this is what seems to be lost on all the forum tards : so you made a webpage. well done, you're now 15. so ?

14:17:31 ThickAsThieves: make the criteria "mircea popusecu can make an account, but a share, sell it, and get his money out"

14:17:40 ThickAsThieves: buy*

14:17:47 kakobrekla: butt

14:17:52 mircea_popescu: lol right

14:19:02 mircea_popescu: more liek, S.MPOE will be listed on ciphertrade. that's a bold bet, i'd bet on it.

14:20:15 mircea_popescu: so i gave this chick the task to find the original latin version of the "friends, romans, countrymen" speech.

14:20:23 mircea_popescu: she's still searching for it.

14:20:44 mircea_popescu: i have no fucking idea what they teach in school these days, but it definitely isn't english.

14:23:21 ThickAsThieves: someone attempting it http://latindiscussion.com/forum/latin/friends-romans-countrymen-lend-me-your-ears.16980/

14:23:52 mircea_popescu: well it's fuckin shakespeare you know ?

14:23:56 mircea_popescu: it has no latin original.

14:24:49 ThickAsThieves: just use google translate, i'm sure you'll be fine

14:24:58 ThickAsThieves: :)

14:27:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.3909 = 0.7818 BTC [-]

14:30:16 bloctoc: ;;seen mircea_popescu

14:30:17 gribble: mircea_popescu was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 5 minutes and 17 seconds ago: * mircea_popescu fumes

14:34:04 Apocalyptic: turbo_ac100, https://forum.litecoin.net/index.php?topic=7176.0 , see under Advisory board

14:34:16 Apocalyptic: it would be pretty foolish to list him if he wasn't involved

14:35:16 turbo_ac100: hm yeah. Could of course be that he gave advice a couple of times and that was that.

14:35:22 kakobrekla: that girl cant run an asset, how can she run an exchange?

14:35:25 mircea_popescu: wow litecoin forum is at 7k topic index ?!

14:35:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.39999999 = 1.2 BTC [+] {2}

14:36:05 kakobrekla: Other features planned from the outset include:

14:36:05 kakobrekla: A fully live AJAX-driven site

14:36:09 Apocalyptic: turbo_ac100, that's not my definition of "advisory board", i.e. i would be pissed if someone mentionned me on that when all i did was answered 1/2 questions

14:36:09 kakobrekla: YES MORE AJAX!!!1

14:36:45 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla the funniest part to me is the proeminent "paybans for the chatbox"

14:36:51 Apocalyptic: lel kako

14:36:59 mircea_popescu: that's a great revenue stream, for exchanges.

14:37:08 Apocalyptic: people need real time updating and more javascript shit

14:37:13 kakobrekla: ah stop spoiling it for me im not there yet

14:37:18 mircea_popescu: o sorry.

14:39:05 turbo_ac100: Apocalyptic, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=228327.msg3655452#msg3655452 this reads differently. "But we are NOT committed (in the sense of having promised to go there) to it - and, at present, I am not committed to being involved either as part of the operational team for it OR as an investor in it."

14:39:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.39999999 BTC [+]

14:40:46 mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic you can't really expect the guy to chase all over obscure forums to correct deliberate misrepresentation by interested parties. he made a statement, it's good enough.

14:40:54 kleeck: Wow.

14:40:57 kakobrekla: im through now

14:41:03 Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, indeed

14:41:11 Apocalyptic: wasn't aware of that statement

14:41:17 kakobrekla: this will end like nefario/burnside/ukto/worse

14:41:29 kleeck: Working through a third part vendor for one of the companies my company acquired. Asking for the software licensing key and the chick sends me the EULA for the software. /facepalm.

14:41:57 kleeck: "Well, it has the word 'license' in it!"

14:41:59 Apocalyptic: thanks turbo_ac100 somehow i missed this statement

14:42:39 turbo_ac100: I remembered it less harsh, too.

14:49:49 ThickAsThieves: why does everything that is purely informational have to be "harsh" to people

14:50:03 ThickAsThieves: should he have used more cuddly words?

14:50:27 kleeck: "The problem the department has always had in investigating Julian Assange is there is no way to prosecute him for publishing information without the same theory being applied to journalists," former Justice Department spokesman Matthew Miller said.

14:50:27 kleeck: Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/world/julian-assange-unlikely-to-be-charged-in-us-20131126-2y7uk.html#ixzz2llOPnd3I

14:50:32 kleeck: http://www.smh.com.au/world/julian-assange-unlikely-to-be-charged-in-us-20131126-2y7uk.html

14:50:32 ozbot: Julian Assange unlikely to be charged in US

14:50:56 ThickAsThieves: hopefully they can solve that problem

14:50:58 ThickAsThieves: plenty journalist worth arresting

14:51:30 mircea_popescu: ya but they'd arrest all the other ones.

14:51:42 kleeck: I don't think Obama wants to add a "War on Journalism" to his repertoire.

14:51:58 ThickAsThieves: they are doing fine on their own

14:52:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.4 = 3.2 BTC [+]

14:52:53 kleeck: Are you talking about poor journalism? Because I'm talking about good journalism, i.e. whistleblowing or avenues for such.

14:54:22 mircea_popescu: if they arrested huffpo, salon, vice etc in corpore that'd be pretty cool.

14:54:33 kleeck: hey. I like Vice.

14:54:36 ThickAsThieves: <ThickAsThieves> hopefully they can solve that problem <<< twas a joke

14:54:39 kleeck: They may not be real journalism but they're fun.

14:54:44 kleeck: :P

14:55:00 mircea_popescu: lolk

14:55:05 mircea_popescu: not nearly enough tits for that.

14:55:19 mircea_popescu: if they had an editorial rule that all writers must send tits first, then i'd relent.

14:55:49 turbo_ac100_: ThickAsThieves, harsh was English fuckup. I meant unambiguous or sth like this.

14:56:04 ThickAsThieves: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1rhnto/kncminer_launches_20nm_neptune_asic_bitcoin_miner/

14:56:04 ThickAsThieves: poor asicminer

14:56:04 ozbot: KnCMiner Launches 20nm Neptune ASIC Bitcoin Miner With at Least 2TH of Power : Bitcoin

14:57:07 mircea_popescu: turbo_ac100 strong.

14:57:28 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i don't recall, did they ever deliver on their previous planets ?

14:57:34 ThickAsThieves: yessir

14:57:41 ThickAsThieves: afaik

14:57:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 223 @ 0.00214796 = 0.479 BTC [+] {5}

14:57:52 mircea_popescu: a a yes now i recall not recalling before

14:57:58 mircea_popescu: i dunno why it's so difficult this one :D

14:58:28 ThickAsThieves: maybe next year only 3 companies will remain and itll be eays

14:59:08 mircea_popescu: yeah. right.

14:59:17 mircea_popescu: because things do get easier over time. this happens.

14:59:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 43 @ 0.38155814 = 16.407 BTC [-] {8}

15:02:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 92 @ 0.00374 = 0.3441 BTC [-]

15:04:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.418 = 0.836 BTC [+] {2}

15:10:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.41999999 = 0.84 BTC [+]

15:11:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.41999999 = 0.84 BTC [+]

15:13:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.4199998 BTC [-]

15:13:29 ThickAsThieves: hmm

15:13:46 ThickAsThieves: thos AM1 ask orders are not showing up on the books in havelock

15:13:53 ThickAsThieves: yet they are being filled

15:13:59 ThickAsThieves: topace ^^ ??

15:16:20 ThickAsThieves: LTC almost $14

15:18:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.4 = 2.4 BTC [-]

15:18:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 262 @ 0.00374962 = 0.9824 BTC [+] {3}

15:19:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 338 @ 0.0037807 = 1.2779 BTC [+] {3}

15:29:38 topace: ?

15:30:05 ThickAsThieves: i was staring at the orderbook when those last few trades went off, and they never showed up

15:30:17 ThickAsThieves: i assumed it was just lag for the livebooks

15:30:22 ThickAsThieves: so i started refreshing a bunch

15:30:33 ThickAsThieves: and thats when the last trade or two fired

15:30:34 topace: yea hte "live update" doesnt yet add new orders

15:30:38 topace: it only removes cancelled orders

15:30:48 topace: then whole page reloads every 30 seconds (maybe its 20?)

15:30:53 ThickAsThieves: ah

15:30:56 ThickAsThieves: hrm

15:31:16 ThickAsThieves: make it live-er plz!

15:31:20 topace: yea

15:31:23 topace: its "on the list"

15:31:24 topace: :(

15:31:30 topace: i just hired another full time employee

15:31:32 ThickAsThieves: you sound like Ukyo now

15:31:40 topace: heh

15:31:50 ThickAsThieves: you spoiled me

15:32:16 topace: except i have an office, a phone number, and a whole team (currently 6 in my office)

15:32:31 topace: they just arent all dedicated to havelock unfortunately

15:32:40 ThickAsThieves: which one is assigned to cater to each of my whims?

15:32:48 topace: ol that'd be me :(

15:32:52 ThickAsThieves: hehe

15:32:58 topace: becuase im foolish enough to hang out on irc

15:33:20 jcpham: me too bro

15:33:22 jcpham: me too

15:33:28 topace: brings me back to my DoD days.. ahh the 90's

15:33:47 jcpham: i found a cult of the dead cow sticker in an old book the other day

15:33:50 ThickAsThieves: topace when are those Neptunes sposed to ship

15:33:56 topace: Q1/Q2

15:34:03 topace: pretty vague

15:34:03 ThickAsThieves: thats some range

15:34:17 ThickAsThieves: also, i heard that KnC uses eASIC, is that true?

15:34:18 topace: i think its like.. "end of q1, early q2"

15:34:38 topace: but knc is pretty good about underpromise/overdliver

15:34:40 topace: deliver

15:34:49 topace: yea knc is cell based asic i think

15:34:52 topace: or smoething

15:34:59 ThickAsThieves: you pretty much have to with the rabid bitcoin masses

15:35:01 Diablo-D3: ;;ticker

15:35:01 gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 870.599, Best ask: 877.0, Bid-ask spread: 6.40100, Last trade: 877.49999, 24 hour volume: 30617.54264616, 24 hour low: 765.0, 24 hour high: 896.0, 24 hour vwap: 839.94739

15:35:18 topace: i wouldnt be surprised if the neptunes are 4-5TH by the time they ship

15:35:52 topace: ThickAsThieves: i just checked the past AM1 trades, no problem there, there'ss exsisting orders on both sides

15:35:55 topace: and they make sense

15:36:25 ThickAsThieves: i wouldnt be surprised if the diff is 4-5b by then too

15:36:32 ThickAsThieves: cool

15:36:44 ThickAsThieves: just seemed odd, it must just be that trade bot is fast

15:37:29 Diablo-D3: FAST BOT IS FAST

15:37:33 ThickAsThieves: just delay all bot orders for 60s plz

15:37:46 ThickAsThieves: :)

15:38:27 topace: hehe

15:38:32 topace: yea, the api gets hit pretty heavily

15:38:39 topace: probably 30-50 requests/second

15:38:48 topace: at times

15:38:52 topace: (not contstant)

15:39:07 topace: probably average 10/sec though over time

15:48:44 mircea_popescu: http://www.hazard-herald.com/news/home_top-news/2796669/Vicco-to-consider-paying-police-chief-in-Bitcoin

15:48:44 assbot: 123!

15:48:56 ozbot: Vicco to consider paying police chief in Bitcoin - hazard-herald.com

15:51:35 mike_c: that guy is awesome

15:51:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5394 @ 0.0000881 = 0.4752 BTC [-] {9}

15:52:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 6000 @ 0.000087 = 0.522 BTC [-] {2}

16:00:29 thestringpuller: !ticker m s.mpoe

16:00:29 assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00078569 / 0.00078981 / 0.00079063 (29950 shares, 23.66 BTC), 7D: 0.0007725 / 0.0008004 / 0.00085604 (1339765 shares, 1,072.36 BTC), 30D: 0.0007725 / 0.00082342 / 0.00088996 (5167769 shares, 4,255.27 BTC)

16:00:41 thestringpuller: !last m s.mpoe

16:00:41 assbot: Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.00079063 BTC [+]

16:00:48 thestringpuller: dopeness

16:06:19 thestringpuller: haven't seen that name in awhile

16:21:45 ThickAsThieves: hah Garr255 negrated me on forums finally, for negrating him "illegitimately"

16:22:02 ThickAsThieves: appears we both have default trust

16:22:15 thestringpuller: people trust forum ratings?

16:22:38 jurov`: yea, but only the legitimate ones

16:22:42 ThickAsThieves: i suppose it depends who you ask

16:22:54 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2013/how-to-process-bitcoin-payments-cheaply-and-easily/

16:22:54 ozbot: How to process Bitcoin payments cheaply and easily pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

16:26:23 Venat: Thank you midnightmagic

16:26:26 Venat: mircea_popescu, *

16:27:39 mircea_popescu: yw

16:27:54 jurov`: phew, just generating either unique addresses or unique amounts is near trivial

16:28:21 jurov`: harder is to actually detect incoming bitcoins if you don;'t want to do it by hand

16:28:21 mircea_popescu: jurov` trivialer to generate ammts i think

16:29:27 jurov`: since dudes around here are trying to make bitcoin POS

16:29:41 jurov`: we had some meditations around doublespend detection, tx propagation and such

16:29:55 jurov`: and there will be much more

16:30:15 mircea_popescu: yeah but you gotta appreciate, that's exactly the other end of the spectrum from what im discussing

16:30:53 pankkake: KnC announces "Neptune", 20nm miner

16:31:10 ThickAsThieves: ;;ticker

16:31:10 gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 885.31107, Best ask: 896.99499, Bid-ask spread: 11.68392, Last trade: 883.22307, 24 hour volume: 31502.25733348, 24 hour low: 765.0, 24 hour high: 899.0, 24 hour vwap: 843.94834

16:31:54 ThickAsThieves: time to break ATH

16:32:26 jurov`: yes, i appreciate it's only for simplest stuff

16:33:24 jurov`: still, the actual processing part is completely missing

16:34:44 mircea_popescu: at that level it's supposed to be done by hand by the one guy who's the business.

16:35:54 jurov`: yes. i guess his email needs to be in Cc or Bcc

16:36:09 mircea_popescu: it sends two eh ?

16:36:17 jurov`: and he should be able to keep track of stuff so that he doesn't credit account twice or such

16:36:35 mircea_popescu: he just watches the one address

16:37:20 jurov`: yes . then he notices the last digits and <troll>reverses the hash to obtain the email. easy </troll>

16:37:26 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: so your method is for people with treasurers?

16:37:32 mircea_popescu: herp lol. it's salted.

16:37:44 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller my method is for people trying to sell online. like say nubbins.

16:38:04 thestringpuller: yes, but your article implies this is manually done and not automated

16:38:11 thestringpuller: what if nubbins is too busy doing nubbin things?

16:38:17 mircea_popescu: like what ?

16:38:32 ThickAsThieves: like processing credit card orders!

16:38:34 thestringpuller: like painting pretty pictures of women, or smoking blunts with hip hop artists

16:38:35 mircea_popescu: he can't automate it, he will have to mail it. himself.

16:38:46 turbo_ac100_: mircea_popescu, Haha "How to process Bitcoin payments" actually sounds like you were writing for people you don't despise although you suggest they don't know what a salt is.

16:38:49 thestringpuller: yes exactly but in terms of generating an invoice

16:38:53 mircea_popescu: so once he sees a new payment, he searches his inbox, finds the relvant receiver and goes mail

16:38:53 turbo_ac100_: What happened? :D

16:39:09 nubbins`: morning

16:39:09 mircea_popescu: turbo_ac100_ better to explain what doesn't need to be explained

16:39:15 mircea_popescu: than to not explain what could have been useful.

16:39:16 nubbins`: well. afternoon

16:39:24 thestringpuller: yes, but that means nubbin's takes the role of treasurer?

16:39:27 ThickAsThieves: http://www.theverge.com/2013/11/26/5147410/bitcoin-hack-allegedly-steals-over-1-million-from-bips-wallet-service

16:39:27 ozbot: Second major Bitcoin heist this month allegedly takes over $1 million | The Verge

16:39:34 nubbins`: don't put me in charge of money

16:39:44 thestringpuller: reconciling the order from his inbox to the address is still a manual process

16:39:50 thestringpuller: wouldn't that be best served by a treasurer?

16:39:57 thestringpuller: someone dedicated to that task?

16:39:57 mircea_popescu: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BaAkwOyCEAAIGaY.jpg:large

16:40:23 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller the order in his inbox is the address

16:41:30 thestringpuller: ah so it reconciles itself! the message in the inbox == the invoice

16:41:34 thestringpuller: makes more sense ty

16:41:56 nubbins`: i received three calls from UPS today, two robots and a person

16:42:11 nubbins`: you'd think they'd just make the one call, since all three packages are from the same sender

16:42:20 mircea_popescu: nubbins` https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BaAkwOyCEAAIGaY.jpg:large

16:42:29 mircea_popescu: replace obama administration with ups

16:42:33 nubbins`: replace obama administr... yeah

16:42:40 nubbins`: srsly tho

16:43:01 ThickAsThieves: UPS for president!

16:43:10 nubbins`: nooooo

16:43:14 pankkake: "If he had any decency he would offer a buy back at 0.2, save some of his name, show that he has belief in the site... and he would still be 5 millions good."

16:43:24 pankkake: guy stole only half my money so he's decent!

16:43:24 mircea_popescu: these fuckwits

16:43:34 mircea_popescu: just go on jd already omg

16:43:42 ThickAsThieves: plz only steal enough so that i dont lose money sir

16:43:46 mircea_popescu: lol

16:43:47 pankkake: yeah they should, cause I'm still down on jd :(

16:43:53 mircea_popescu: you know we laugh at this, but these are voters

16:43:56 mircea_popescu: and this is how their life works.

16:43:59 nubbins`: i raked it in on jd and then cashed out

16:44:05 nubbins`: can't get any luckier than that, so i stopped

16:44:07 mircea_popescu: pls obama only steal enough so i don;'t lose money

16:44:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 57 @ 0.00375 = 0.2138 BTC [-]

16:45:09 ThickAsThieves: it bothers me more that he is making money, than that they are losing money

16:45:19 mircea_popescu: ;;eauth mircea_popescu

16:45:19 gribble: Request successful for user mircea_popescu, hostmask mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/8A736F0E2FB7B452

16:45:38 nubbins`: tat, does it generally bother you when people lose money? ;)

16:45:51 mircea_popescu: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:a7e3ff911e16f8fe42897565cdab5b3fa41e6bd9940e85f4469096b4

16:45:52 gribble: You are now authenticated for user mircea_popescu with key 8A736F0E2FB7B452

16:45:56 ThickAsThieves: well i'm certainly not wishing ill will on people

16:46:07 ThickAsThieves: i'

16:46:12 nubbins`: there's middle ground in there

16:46:16 ThickAsThieves: m even pretty tolerant of ignorance

16:46:21 mircea_popescu: ;;rate bloctoc 1 works for mfoundry, all around reasonable guy.

16:46:23 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user bloctoc has been recorded.

16:47:12 nubbins`: i gotta print book covers today, some girl is getting us to publish an excerpt from one of her diaries

16:47:20 ThickAsThieves: interesting

16:47:29 nubbins`: it's a real fuckin downer

16:47:35 ThickAsThieves: heh

16:47:42 nubbins`: i mean, the job itself is ok

16:47:45 nubbins`: the diary is a downer

16:48:15 nubbins`: also poorly written, but what do you expect

16:48:25 mike_c: how many copies?

16:48:27 nubbins`: 50

16:48:43 mike_c: are you binding them?

16:48:46 nubbins`: nod

16:49:10 mircea_popescu: 50 copies of a diary ?

16:49:17 nubbins`: nod

16:49:24 mircea_popescu: i mean either make like... 5, for your grandkids

16:49:26 mircea_popescu: or else 5mn

16:49:31 ThickAsThieves: maybe its for her funeral

16:49:31 mircea_popescu: diaries should not exist in the middle.

16:49:53 nubbins`: well ya know. a lot of the stuff we publish is more for a release on the part of the author than for anything else

16:49:56 mike_c: nubs, are you typesetting?

16:50:01 nubbins`: mike_c: yep

16:50:10 mike_c: wow, lot of work for 50 copies.

16:50:19 nubbins`: we've published a bunch of stuff from this guy who spent a few years in the bughouse

16:50:23 nubbins`: really, really strange stuff

16:50:42 nubbins`: actually a good read, but he said he mostly wants to get it out of his head rather than make a fortune off it

16:51:06 Venat: nubbins`,

16:51:30 nubbins`: let me find you an excerpt

16:54:13 nubbins`: but it was too late for all that, the buggers held full control, so all rooms are now hospital. the candy cart of medication wheels behind me, manacled by psychotic chains. lines of division have been dissolved. this letter is also spoken live in the minds of all others. medication is food. Rx is smoked. food is smoked. all useless as light dripped from bulbs into splashing puddles of light upon th

16:54:13 nubbins`: floor. vast communities of bulky orderlies. rowhouses of nurses. all rooms are hospitals now. the firmament, a massive inferno of blue-black gods. judges pouring time as the piss of Dionysus. insects dripping honey and pulling wax upon my ears. says, 'All the angels can dance on the tip of a pin. all thoughts can jig upon the point of a pen'

16:54:25 nubbins`: John the Baptist runs soap suds over the brainstem, each bubble is Electroconvulsive therapy raining from the fingertips of classical musicians. we sit upon psychedelic mushrooms like sleeping toads. these toads are pharmacists...pharmacobotanists.

16:54:32 nubbins`: flies spit antipsychotic froth on their tongues & wheel about cheap paint walls. all hospitals are life now

16:54:54 nubbins`: ^ that's right in the thick of it there

16:54:56 mircea_popescu: meh. read burroughs be done with the sort of crap. at least that's my experience.

16:55:20 Venat: Do you enjoy Faldbakken, nubbins` ?

16:55:24 nubbins`: yeah, heavy burroughs/bukowski influences there

16:55:36 ThickAsThieves: ive read this before

16:55:42 ThickAsThieves: have you linked images of it?

16:55:49 nubbins`: yeah, promo posters

16:56:17 nubbins`: Venat: not familiar

16:56:36 nubbins`: oddly, my mother enjoyed reading it

16:57:11 nubbins`: altho she said the ending was disappointing

16:57:52 nubbins`: ThickAsThieves: https://scontent-b-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/15081_558917170800903_1992303654_n.pngf

16:57:56 nubbins`: oops, https://scontent-b-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/15081_558917170800903_1992303654_n.png

16:58:02 nubbins`: we made a bunch

16:58:13 ThickAsThieves: it's like reading pink floyd the wall

16:59:07 nubbins`: you know, they're not joking when they say not to take LSD and watch that movie

17:00:16 nubbins`: anyway, we have i think 4 or 5 copies of the first edition left if you're looking for xmas gifts for the weirdos in your family

17:00:51 mike_c: somebody needs to wake up the chinese

17:00:58 mike_c: ;;premium btcn mtgox

17:01:12 gribble: Premium of BTCChina over MtGox is currently -2.11807954545 %.

17:01:32 ThickAsThieves: let them sleep

17:01:48 ThickAsThieves: it's hard work buying bitcoins all day

17:02:45 mike_c: i think this means that usd is a scarier bet than the yuan right now.

17:07:06 ThickAsThieves: wikipedia wants me to donate with a pop-up, but no bitcoin option

17:07:23 ThickAsThieves: Credit Card, PayPal, Amazon

17:07:43 thestringpuller: USD interests rates are about to skyrocket so I wouldn't hold yuan for too long

17:11:27 pankkake: donating in fiat should get you tax breaks though

17:12:20 nubbins`: oh hey, $850 on virtex, that's an ATH

17:13:18 mike_c: gox missed ath by $1

17:13:38 mike_c: $2

17:14:48 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller how do you figure ?

17:16:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.03697998 = 0.1849 BTC [+]

17:16:32 thestringpuller: it shouldn't come as a surprise with QE-Infinity

17:16:42 mircea_popescu: http://bitcoincharts.com/ is down again

17:16:50 phungus: QE TO INFINITY AND BEYOND!

17:16:52 mike_c: they've been struggling lately

17:16:53 mircea_popescu: who was asking earlier about why mpbot ain't quoting ?

17:17:40 mike_c: thestringpuller you think this is just talk? http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/11/22/us-usa-fed-lockhart-idUSBRE9AL0KI20131122

17:18:16 phungus: they can't taper without throwing markets in to turmoil

17:18:27 phungus: it's a huge catch-22

17:18:31 mircea_popescu: they have been talking about it for 3 years.

17:18:44 mircea_popescu: taper = food shortages in the us.

17:20:23 mike_c: i don't follow that. seems not tapering -> hyperinflation -> food shortages.

17:20:43 mircea_popescu: yes.

17:20:57 mike_c: so food shortages either way?

17:21:01 mircea_popescu: it's not a question of food shortages being avoidable.

17:21:10 mike_c: ah. i gotta go to the grocery store. brb.

17:21:13 mircea_popescu: well pretty much. whadda ya want

17:21:15 mike_c: :)

17:21:17 thestringpuller: oh god

17:21:30 thestringpuller: lol reading this article is like reading the beginning of the monetary apocalypse in the US

17:21:34 thestringpuller: history in the making :(

17:23:03 mike_c: what's the big deal? what's a $4 trillion balance sheet among friends?

17:23:43 mircea_popescu: basically the continued qe makes repatriation of all assets from the us a slow process

17:23:45 phungus: we're fucked every which way with QE

17:24:01 mircea_popescu: gives the voters the opportunity to learbn slowly, move their diets towards govt cheese over a few years

17:24:10 mircea_popescu: tapering may ignite a gold rush

17:24:19 mike_c: you mean..

17:24:22 mike_c: a bitcoin rush!

17:24:40 mircea_popescu: and that's well... harder to pretend "we're progressing" and that dietary restrictions are "for your own health"

17:26:12 nubbins`: y'know, i started stockpiling food and water long before i started stockpiling precious metals and btc

17:26:23 nubbins`: priorities, yes?

17:26:33 mircea_popescu: this stockpiling theory...

17:26:53 asciilifeform: 'the lead standard.'

17:26:54 mircea_popescu: suppose you were the one guy in leningrad with a basement full of ham.

17:26:55 mircea_popescu: soooo ?

17:27:32 nubbins`: so you get to stay in said basement and never come out for fear of being ripped to pieces by hungry neighbours

17:27:38 mircea_popescu: right.

17:27:38 nubbins`: win-win

17:27:39 ThickAsThieves: so now you have a lot of ham and people to eat

17:27:54 mircea_popescu: because they can't force their way in. you can't currently keep the police at bay from your basement

17:28:04 mircea_popescu: and you'kll somehow keep a horde at bay. through what means.

17:28:13 ThickAsThieves: bitcoin

17:28:17 nubbins`: well, the police only know i have stockpiles of food because i've entered it into the public record.

17:28:22 pankkake: that's why you should actually stockpile tanks

17:28:22 nubbins`: waaaaaitaminute

17:28:26 pankkake: and/or bunkers

17:28:35 mircea_popescu: i guess you could always threaten to post on bitcointalk if they scam you of your ham...

17:28:36 ThickAsThieves: i stockpile stockpiles

17:28:39 nubbins`: hahaha

17:28:46 asciilifeform: airplanes.

17:28:51 asciilifeform: a stockpile of one might suffice.

17:28:55 mircea_popescu: an airplane stockpile,

17:28:58 mircea_popescu: with maple syrup

17:28:58 nubbins`: anyway, it's not a bad idea. suppose you get laid off, having 6 months of food is a big help

17:29:14 mircea_popescu: nubbins` i can't remember a time when my largest expense was food.

17:29:16 nubbins`: suppose the power goes for the better part of a week in the dead of winter. having a big pile of kerosene is a big help

17:29:26 mike_c: my stockpile

17:29:27 mike_c: http://www.pimaair.org/images/hm_features/img_04.jpg

17:29:39 nubbins`: suppose the faucet starts spitting brown water. having a big pile of jugged water is a big help

17:29:45 ThickAsThieves: you stockpile .jpg files?

17:29:57 nubbins`: tat, suppose something happens to my wife?

17:29:58 mike_c: yes. smaller than bmp

17:30:10 mircea_popescu: mike_c i see your stockpile and i rase you a titpile. http://www.smeddley.com/crafts/crochet/pile-of-boobs.jpg

17:30:25 nubbins`: heh

17:30:27 nubbins`: nice tits

17:30:29 mike_c: oh wow. you win.

17:30:48 deadweasel: nubbins, what happens if the police decide they want your stockpiles?

17:31:05 deadweasel: why would you enter it into the public record?

17:31:08 asciilifeform: why on earth would you do that

17:31:21 mike_c: he already did. about 20 lines up.

17:31:37 ThickAsThieves: we know about your ham bro

17:32:17 deadweasel: NSA nubbins' record: Lots of HAM in basement.*

17:32:32 nubbins`: deadweasel: i'm hoping the local cops won't know about log.bitcoin-assets.com

17:33:04 nubbins`: anyway, this isn't the usa where every neighbourhood has a swat team

17:33:18 deadweasel: yeah, moved away from those areas too.

17:34:34 nubbins`: anyway the police are generally fuckups here

17:34:44 mircea_popescu: nubbins` speaking of that : http://fraudsters.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/apa.jpg

17:34:52 nubbins`: hahahahaha

17:34:58 nubbins`: mircea_popescu: that's not water, that's soju

17:35:08 nubbins`: now THAT'S a stockpile

17:35:11 mircea_popescu: it's low co2 mineral water, best in teh world

17:35:14 mircea_popescu: ;;google perla harghitei

17:35:15 gribble: Perla Harghitei S.A. - Official website: http://www.perlaharghitei.ro/; Refreshing drinks... - Perla Harghitei: http://www.perlaharghitei.ro/index.php?lang=en&page=products_list&prod_type=ALGR&mr=4&p=R; Perla Harghitei - FineWaters: http://www.finewaters.com/Bottled_Water/Romania/Perla_Harghitei.asp

17:35:45 nubbins`: oh!

17:35:56 mircea_popescu: gallon bottles, 2 pellets.

17:36:08 nubbins`: looks like these: http://www.talongin.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/jinro2.jpg

17:36:24 mircea_popescu: lol

17:36:41 nubbins`: (and they seriously sell it in jugs like that)

17:36:44 mircea_popescu: http://supermarketclaudia.ro/image/cache/data/produse%20alimentare/bauturi%20racoritoare/apa%20plata/perla%20harg5l-500x500.jpg

17:36:50 nubbins`: ahhh

17:37:15 nubbins`: http://absolutelyfobulous.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Soju2.jpg

17:37:23 nubbins`: soju is also available in juice box form

17:39:26 asciilifeform: re: stockpiles, useful advice: https://unsee.cc/gatewu/

17:39:48 jurov`: at least they don't sell fiji water in romania i hope

17:40:10 nubbins`: nod, i've told nobody but you guys about my stockpiles

17:40:50 mircea_popescu: you can have my titpiles, they come back to me anyway

17:41:46 asciilifeform: "There's a shift in people's thinking as essential items become scarce. They believe that... hoarders created the shortage... if someone can establish such a link between the crisis and you, you have a problem.'

17:42:27 mircea_popescu: they believe no such thing.

17:42:38 mircea_popescu: people, generally, will make any claim that seems on the balance of the moment to yield them more beans.

17:42:47 nubbins`: ^

17:42:58 asciilifeform: "when hunger seizes people, food becomes an obsession, and folks search memories as well as cupboards for relief...'

17:42:59 mircea_popescu: belief is entirely a different matter altogether

17:42:59 nubbins`: people will justify any action to get what they want

17:43:28 nubbins`: "fuck him, let's take it" is more than enough justification

17:43:46 asciilifeform: the article is more or less a list of 'don't's.

17:43:49 ThickAsThieves: ltc at $16.4

17:43:54 mircea_popescu: perhaps the deeply seated, secret reason why bitbet policy struck such a chord with the multitudes.

17:44:01 mircea_popescu: they feel threatened when it's a case of "you fucked up, you're fucked"

17:44:17 mircea_popescu: that means their usual "fuck you, we want yoru stuff" is perhaps not the be all, end all.

17:44:46 mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/623/litecoin-ltc-to-rise-above-20usd-each-before/

17:44:47 ozbot: BitBet - Litecoin (LTC) to rise above 20USD each before Dec 25th

17:45:30 mike_c: asciilifeform: great story about the firewood. not often you read recent historical accounts of this kind of stuff.

17:46:45 asciilifeform: don't be the ham in leningrad. 'need to know' is the useful keyword. your mother (and youtube) don't need to see what caliber you prefer. etc.

17:47:17 nubbins`: yeah

17:47:29 nubbins`: lot of hurricane katrina horror stories on the survivalist forums

17:47:41 nubbins`: cops raiding houses where generators can be heard

17:47:55 mircea_popescu: heh. yep

17:47:57 nubbins`: armed bandits roaming

17:48:12 nubbins`: great reading, some of it

17:48:15 mircea_popescu: in the current us cops are strictly pacified barbarian tribes, "keeping the peace" a la cumans in the old republic.

17:48:28 nubbins`: nod

17:48:31 mircea_popescu: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1rib1d/how_to_process_bitcoin_payments_cheaply_and_easily

17:48:31 ozbot: How to process Bitcoin payments cheaply and easily : Bitcoin

17:48:42 mircea_popescu: vote o redditors

17:50:34 ThickAsThieves: voted

17:50:40 mircea_popescu: ty.

17:53:24 ThickAsThieves: i feel guilty saying this, but i just found like 600ltc i didnt know i had

17:53:30 mircea_popescu: haha

17:53:58 mircea_popescu: the seat cushions of #bitcoin-assets shall become more fabled than those of the shah of iran

17:54:12 mircea_popescu: "and then looking through old stuff i had in the fridge i found an emerald"

17:54:22 pankkake: well at least you americans have guns

17:54:50 pankkake: around here mostly cops and military

17:55:16 nubbins`: even the cops weren't allowed to carry guns here until recently

17:55:22 nubbins`: well. rcmp always had sidearms

17:55:32 pankkake: most of ours cops don't either

17:55:33 nubbins`: rnc had shotguns that they had to keep locked in the trunks of their cars

17:55:47 pankkake: but they probably have access to them

17:55:57 nubbins`: they all have sidearms now too

17:56:09 nubbins`: would rather deal with rnc than rcmp any day

17:56:14 nubbins`: the mounties are pricks

17:56:26 nubbins`: from coast to coastr

17:57:34 nubbins`: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Dzieka%C5%84ski_Taser_incident

17:57:38 nubbins`: first example that comes to mind

17:59:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.41 = 0.82 BTC [+]

18:01:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.41699993 = 1.251 BTC [+] {2}

18:03:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 274 @ 0.00379879 = 1.0409 BTC [+] {8}

18:04:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 33 @ 0.00385 = 0.1271 BTC [+]

18:14:15 mircea_popescu: anyway, all the "survivalist" crap understood as "o hey i store dried beans and ammo rounds" is nonsense

18:14:33 mircea_popescu: survivalism means, keeping a large enough group of determined individuals, who once govt collapses move in to take over

18:15:05 mircea_popescu: seek out and execute all law enforcement of any type, hang all political representatives of the old stystem in the town square and leave them there to be eaten by the crows

18:15:17 mircea_popescu: then get the people to come up with a new constitution and so forth.

18:15:31 deadweasel: we should do this every year.

18:15:40 mircea_popescu: in practical terms, becoming an enforcer in your local drug trade is much more survivalistic

18:15:44 mircea_popescu: than storing some beans.

18:15:48 asciilifeform: the 'survival' folks aren't all preparing for the same scenario.

18:16:01 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform regardless, they WILL all live the same scenario.

18:16:21 mircea_popescu: either they're the new power or they're the new cows.

18:16:50 mircea_popescu: i guess once you've decided you shall be the cow it may make sense to try and ensure you're a particularly milky one.

18:17:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1950 @ 0.00080752 = 1.5747 BTC [+]

18:17:16 mircea_popescu: but generally, survival means getting quite well used to the idea that you will be killing for all sorts of reasons

18:17:19 mircea_popescu: and for no reason at all.

18:18:02 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re: 'enforcers:' http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2013/08/how-not-to-organize-community.html

18:18:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.03697998 = 0.3698 BTC [+] {4}

18:18:42 jcpham: i'm ready for urvival mode i think

18:18:52 jcpham: definitely mentally and emotionally

18:21:36 jurov`: oh, how did you prepare mentally?

18:21:58 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "Just as one would expect, the invisible hand of the market fails to make itself visible, but it is plain to see that fuel is no longer delivered to either of these communities, although in the second one some fuel is likely to still be available on the black market, at prices that very few people can afford."

18:22:07 mircea_popescu: can't tell if trolling or retarded quite to the degree ?

18:22:13 jcpham: jurov`

18:22:29 jcpham: damn keys

18:22:44 jcpham: i'd say i'm mentally prepared from a lifetimeof bullshit

18:22:59 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sounds like an accurate description - the caviar sold in the warsaw ghetto right up to demolition day, etc.

18:23:15 mircea_popescu: by the invisible hand ...

18:23:27 asciilifeform: by many inefficient little hands.

18:23:37 mircea_popescu: but he just claimed it fails to make itself visible...

18:24:16 asciilifeform: he is referring, i think, to the american belief that 'market' can provide for ad infinitum continuation of 'business as usual.'

18:24:39 mircea_popescu: well that'd be retarded i guess.

18:25:00 mircea_popescu: the invisible hand doth not denote this hand that'll do what you bid it do.

18:25:15 mircea_popescu: it doth denote instead this hand which will beat you until you do what it bids you.

18:25:33 asciilifeform: it's been phrased as 'invisible tentacle, rapes well.'

18:26:01 mircea_popescu: Unaccustomed to operating outside the law and having few connections with the criminal underworld, they are slow to penetrate the black market, which now offers the only way to obtain many necessary items, such as food, cooking fuel and medicines, including the items that had been previously looted from their own stockpiles. Worse yet, they once again become estranged from one another: their acquaintances and friendshi

18:26:01 mircea_popescu: ps were formed within a peaceful, civilized, law-abiding mode of social behavior. When they are forced to turn to scavenging, outright theft and looting, prostitution, black market dealing and consorting with criminals, they can no longer recognize in each other the people they knew before, and the laboriously synthesized community again dissolves into nuclear families.

18:26:06 mircea_popescu: ahaha NUCLEAR FAMILIES

18:26:07 mircea_popescu: holy shit.

18:26:17 asciilifeform: and sometimes 'what do you want me to do? ... no mr. bond, we expect you to die!'

18:26:22 mircea_popescu: is baby jesus going to come back too ?

18:26:44 mircea_popescu: no nuclear famblies ye morons. married men are dead men.

18:28:01 mircea_popescu: " The children, who are already in the habit of roaming the streets in gangs and harassing and mugging strangers, now come to serve as the community's early warning system in case of an organized incursion."

18:28:17 deadweasel: ^ how so? because they're families drag-ass, get them killed?

18:28:21 mircea_popescu: he gets that part right. children always were humanity's dispensable test pod.

18:28:43 asciilifeform: there ought to be a way to organize the african child soldiers meeting american children.

18:28:46 asciilifeform: 'cultural exchange!'

18:29:08 mircea_popescu: deadweasel because they care about more shit than normal people.

18:29:18 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lemme grep the log.

18:30:16 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-09-2013#335779

18:30:19 ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log

18:31:54 mircea_popescu: "A safe and congenial environment for you and your children is obviously very nice, much better than trying to survive among social predators." ummm.... we just went through why it's very very bad. wtf is with this guy.

18:33:07 asciilifeform: well, being a turkey is nice, except for that one day

18:33:18 mircea_popescu: i fail to see it. it's not nice throughout.

18:33:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.15159992 BTC [-]

18:33:29 asciilifeform: nice from the livestock perspective.

18:33:45 mircea_popescu: so is he here speaking as livestock or as not livestock ? i get confused.

18:33:49 mircea_popescu: perhaps so does he.

18:34:07 asciilifeform: afaik, his attempt (recently concluded) was to preach to the livestock

18:34:16 Venat: man I need to fucking kill somebody

18:34:30 asciilifeform: he wrote it off, as a waste of time

18:34:35 mircea_popescu: The current way of changing the rules involves lobbying, deliberation, legislation and litigation?time-consuming, expensive activities for which there will be neither the time nor the resources. There are no non-destructive ways to decomplexify complex systems

18:34:41 mircea_popescu: dude totally should look into bitcoin

18:34:49 mircea_popescu: preferably starting with my comments as to what bitcoin court

18:34:51 asciilifeform: people occasionally ask orlov about btc

18:34:57 mircea_popescu: oops i mean bitbet

18:34:57 asciilifeform: he replies 'no mains power, no btc'

18:35:09 asciilifeform: you should tell him about slavecoin-over-shortwave.

18:35:16 nubbins`: wait, you mean we need infrastructure for btc to work?

18:35:17 mircea_popescu: why ?

18:35:37 nubbins`: next you'll be telling me that computers are required too

18:35:49 mircea_popescu: nubbins` amusingly, neither is the case.

18:35:59 asciilifeform: nubbins`: good news! they aren't...

18:36:10 deadweasel: There are no non-destructive ways to decomplexify complex systems

18:36:13 deadweasel: that is the issue in US

18:36:43 mircea_popescu: deadweasel bitbet just decomplexified court proceedings by abourt 9 layers.

18:36:46 nubbins`: hm

18:37:01 nubbins`: blockchain chain letters?

18:37:02 mircea_popescu: bitbet did the same to a number of different processes, even if teh community has not quite grasped how

18:37:03 nubbins`: enlighten me here

18:37:18 mircea_popescu: nubbins` anything the computer do you can do, by hand

18:37:37 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: to the livestock, a court that can't have them shot isn't a 'real court' quite yet.

18:37:52 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the guy with "his" 10 btc onfiscated seemed pretty shot.

18:38:12 asciilifeform: still ambling about as zombie, though.

18:38:17 asciilifeform: who will put him to rest?

18:38:22 mircea_popescu: anyway, if you think about it, bitbet isn't "a betting site". bitbet is bitcoi ncourt, which is to say a quick and flexible system to resolve disputes.

18:38:46 nubbins`: well yes, obv it can be done by hand. is that feasible?

18:38:57 mircea_popescu: nubbins` anything is feasible to the hungry.

18:39:01 pankkake: hard to prevent double spend

18:39:15 mircea_popescu: pankkake why ?

18:39:15 nubbins`: you find a hungry person who can transcribe a 16gb blockchain to paper

18:39:20 nubbins`: and i'll be impressed

18:39:23 mircea_popescu: it wouldn't be 16gb

18:39:33 pankkake: let's say you give him a tx or even a private key to pay the guy

18:39:39 asciilifeform: pankkake: this is where the shortwave comes in.

18:39:41 mircea_popescu: pankkake will have to be hashed.

18:39:49 mircea_popescu: just like today's mining.

18:40:00 nubbins`: how many H/s can the average hungry person perform?

18:40:17 nubbins`: seems like we're talking possible vs probable here

18:40:18 pankkake: yes, but the time to spread the info will be very long

18:40:28 asciilifeform: picture Curta calculator (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curta) for sha...

18:40:36 mircea_popescu: tbh, it will probably be the case that the new ipos wioll be all about "mining slide rule" producers

18:40:41 pankkake: bitcoin relies on spreading blocks and txs quickly to everyone

18:40:47 mircea_popescu: "quickly".

18:41:02 mircea_popescu: that's meaningless. "as quickly as feasible". if there's no internet that quckly slows down

18:41:06 mircea_popescu: but it remains quickly.

18:41:15 asciilifeform: btc sans electric is more or less Hawala.

18:41:21 pankkake: anyway the no internet/no computers thing is silly

18:41:33 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah, mechanical calculators and hashing ftw.

18:41:41 nubbins`: pankkake, it's but a solar flare away

18:41:51 mircea_popescu: pankkake just because you happen to be culturally immersed in the computers-and-internet thing

18:42:13 pankkake: no, the thing is, remove computers, you kill a lot of much more important stuff

18:42:16 nubbins`: i dunno guys, if there's no more power grids, i don't think people are going to start constructing babbage machines

18:42:28 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu that's the most brilliant idea yet!

18:42:35 thestringpuller: a mechanical hash miner!

18:42:42 thestringpuller: babbage machine for the bitcoin world!!!!

18:42:45 mircea_popescu: yup.

18:42:51 asciilifeform: nubbins`: no general-purpose crunchers, sure. but there are people sitting on crates of soviet valves. there will be radio.

18:43:06 mircea_popescu: nubbins` depends which people.

18:43:06 thestringpuller: that would be good in the bitcoin museum of awesomeness

18:43:08 nubbins`: more realistic is a herbert-style setup where the rich have rooms full of slaves performing calcs

18:43:17 asciilifeform: i started a mechanical sha design once.

18:43:20 mircea_popescu: nubbins` hence the slavecoin he referenced way up

18:43:28 asciilifeform: for no good reason.

18:43:35 nubbins`: o look!

18:43:37 jcpham: http://bitcoinscammers.com/

18:43:37 mircea_popescu: it's been a private joke for a while this

18:43:37 nubbins`: leel

18:43:38 ozbot: Bitcoin Scammers & (Other Cryptocurrency Scammers)

18:43:41 mircea_popescu: not particularly novel.

18:43:45 jcpham: idk wtf that is

18:44:03 Venat: noob question: What happens to the TX Fee?

18:44:06 jcpham: bu there are non scam sites on it

18:44:10 nubbins`: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcDshWmhF4A

18:44:10 ozbot: Marble adding machine - YouTube

18:44:15 pankkake: every bitcoin website is in it

18:44:23 jcpham: oooohhhh

18:44:29 mircea_popescu: Venat goes to the miner that mines it

18:44:58 BingoBoingo: So... a jury upheld that public key crypto patent http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/11/jury-newegg-infringes-spangenberg-patent-must-pay-2-3-million/

18:45:24 mircea_popescu: lmao

18:45:31 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: is there a way to airgap a machine, but still communicate with mpex?

18:45:51 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller sure. at the worst copy the gpg blurb by hand to another machine

18:45:54 nubbins`: tx fee = a meal

18:46:08 deadweasel: fuckin A patents trolls.... how could they?

18:46:09 mircea_popescu: otherwise, use a qr gun, or an acoustic modem or anything

18:46:16 mircea_popescu: deadweasel jury = idiots.

18:46:17 nubbins`: couple of old printer/scanner combos

18:46:20 deadweasel: ah

18:46:20 nubbins`: any number of ways

18:46:42 deadweasel: even a witness that says "I BUILT THIS TWO YEARS BEFORE" doesn't cu tit?

18:46:44 deadweasel: cut it?

18:46:49 deadweasel: que tits!

18:46:54 pankkake: see u tits

18:47:10 deadweasel: cute tits, nubs.

18:47:11 Venat: mircea_popescu, so I can mine transactions?

18:47:12 nubbins`: http://woodgears.ca/marbleadd/build.html

18:47:12 ozbot: The marble adding machine

18:47:29 mircea_popescu: venat when you mine a new block, you can include any number of txs in it.

18:47:48 thestringpuller: all the txs fees in that block go to the miner

18:47:48 mircea_popescu: the 25 block reward along with any btc that was input in those tx but not output (ioe, the fees) you keep

18:47:50 thestringpuller: who mined it

18:49:17 Venat: thanks for clearing that up :)

18:49:35 pankkake: http://www.france24.com/en/20131126-french-drug-dealer-sent-80000-euros-tax-bill

18:49:35 ozbot: French drug dealer sent tax bill on estimated income - FRANCE - FRANCE 24

18:49:45 pankkake: now they "estimate" your income :o

18:49:47 nubbins`: now that's progressive

18:50:10 mircea_popescu: anyway, it's getting quashed on appeal.

18:50:17 nubbins`: y'know, there was a canadian guy who had a multi-million dollar marijuana seed selling business

18:50:29 nubbins`: he paid hefty taxes each year, wrote "marijuana seed vendor" on all his returns

18:50:44 nubbins`: nobody really seemed to mind

18:51:12 nubbins`: then the rcmp arrested him and extradited him to the usa, a country in which he had never been, and there he sits in prison

18:52:01 mircea_popescu: heh

18:52:05 nubbins`: obvious implication is that you can expect to get deported to riyadh if you mail a porno mag there

18:52:16 nubbins`: wait, it's not "deported"

18:52:21 nubbins`: i guess just "sent"

18:52:22 mircea_popescu: only if you live in a shitty country to which you souldn't be paying taxes anyway

18:52:32 pankkake: "invited for a holiday"?

18:52:38 nubbins`: well, look what happened to the guy who did pay taxes!

18:53:10 nubbins`: until this extradition and imprisonment, do you know what was the biggest punishment for selling marijuana seeds in canadian history?

18:53:13 nubbins`: a $200 fine

18:53:35 nubbins`: pankkake: you can refuse invitations

18:53:42 mircea_popescu: if he didn't pay his taxes at least he could still be a vory.

18:53:45 asciilifeform: 'doesn't extradite to u.s.' is almost the very definition of sovereignty.

18:54:15 nubbins`: no canadian sovereignty under conservative rule

19:07:58 davout: pankkake: priceless shit is priceless

19:08:13 pankkake: which one?

19:08:30 davout: france24

19:18:08 deadweasel: ;;ticker

19:18:08 gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 894.00001, Best ask: 895.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.99999, Last trade: 894.00001, 24 hour volume: 32027.83208414, 24 hour low: 765.0, 24 hour high: 899.0, 24 hour vwap: 847.7564

19:25:15 pankkake: ;;ticker

19:25:16 gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 902.5311, Best ask: 902.57412, Bid-ask spread: 0.04302, Last trade: 902.5311, 24 hour volume: 33033.66530043, 24 hour low: 765.0, 24 hour high: 900.9, 24 hour vwap: 849.37664

19:25:39 pankkake: we have lift off, destination $M00N

19:33:02 mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=343150.msg3724619#msg3724619

19:33:04 ozbot: BitBet Scammed me for 10 BTC (properly formatted)

19:33:16 mircea_popescu: pankkake mike_c deadweasel davout it pains me to see you have been demoted

19:33:39 mircea_popescu: consequently your pay grade has been lowered from tenured to mere associates

19:33:45 pankkake: I don't know what "associates" actually means

19:33:56 mircea_popescu: didn't we go through this recently ? like a lecturer

19:34:04 mike_c: no tenure? bullshit.

19:34:07 mike_c: i quit :)

19:34:14 mircea_popescu: lol

19:34:52 deadweasel: shit, now I have to pay you then!

19:35:04 mircea_popescu: pls send 10 btc to the usual address.

19:35:56 deadweasel: lol

19:37:47 deadweasel: wow, that demotion was ripe for trolling. thanks!

19:38:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.4157777 = 0.8316 BTC [-]

19:38:47 davout: i haven't been demoted

19:39:06 davout: as a matter of fact i have two reports made by pankakke that i should handle diligently

19:39:17 davout: i'm only mod in the french section

19:39:31 mircea_popescu: davout is like, tired and srs.

19:40:08 davout: moderating the french is srs business

19:40:24 mircea_popescu: hehe

19:40:48 davout: i should ask for pankkake to be modded, he does the work of reporting, i hit delete thread, and i get paid xD

19:41:04 pankkake: yeah, I already said how unfair it is

19:41:11 pankkake: but I definitively don't want to be a mod

19:41:21 mircea_popescu: if you mod him he's going to do all sorts of unconscionable stuff

19:41:31 nubbins`: covers printed!

19:41:33 nubbins`: http://imgur.com/a/zfXpC

19:41:33 ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer

19:41:39 nubbins`: my first time using black paper. very nice

19:41:41 pankkake: I've been moderator a few times elsewhere, never abused it

19:41:45 davout: it's like it would stick out on btctalk

19:41:50 pankkake: but the thing is, people then expect you to behave

19:41:53 pankkake: and it SUCKS

19:42:24 mircea_popescu: deadweasel is that a tiger and a monsanto chicken in your avatar ?

19:42:26 davout: make it a routine, spend at least 10 minutes a day crushing these lovely expectations

19:42:49 nubbins`: ;;ticker --market all

19:43:07 nubbins`: c'mon gribs, don't leave me hanging

19:43:08 gribble: MtGox BTCUSD last: 940.0, vol: 35185.04603883 | Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 877.91, vol: 33329.11379630 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 869.8, vol: 33929.22801 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 899.99, vol: 7450.24206635 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 822.0, vol: 313.86130455 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 875.544063, vol: 40810.02500000 | Volume-weighted last average: 890.887785158

19:43:08 assbot: 123!

19:43:11 deadweasel: must be, mp. that monsanto chicken is looking mythical

19:43:20 mike_c: nubbins, did you know you are a competitor of the bitbet retard? http://pirateprintingcompany.com/

19:43:33 altoz: ;; bids 0

19:43:33 gribble: There are currently 11164181 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 38053035.3219 USD in total. | Data vintage: 124.5105 seconds

19:43:37 nubbins`: competitor implies threat

19:43:38 deadweasel: oh yeah! forgot to tell you nubbs!

19:43:43 altoz: ;; asks 9999999999

19:43:43 gribble: There are currently 17323.799 bitcoins offered at or under 9999999999.0 USD, worth 239506812.86 USD in total. | Data vintage: 134.7923 seconds

19:43:44 deadweasel: he is t-shirt guy

19:44:10 mike_c: no way, as soon as he fixes this: "I don't have the resources or expertise to build such a thing right now" you are in trouble.

19:44:43 nubbins`: all i see is free clipart and a lousy 5-min snowden stencil

19:44:50 nubbins`: well, i shouldn't be so hard on them

19:44:54 deadweasel: lol

19:44:59 pankkake: does he even accept bitcoin?

19:45:01 mike_c: free lolz: http://pirateprintingcompany.com/blogs/whynot

19:45:09 mike_c: he doesn't have that part figured out yet

19:45:20 mike_c: maybe mp's post will help

19:45:33 nubbins`: so he's released the btc logo to the public domain, that's nice of him

19:46:43 nubbins`: anyway, selling stuff like this via website only is a mug's game

19:47:02 nubbins`: printing is a pavement-pounding business

19:47:10 nubbins`: unless you're threadless or busted tees

19:48:10 cazalla: i don't understand why anyone would wear a bitcoin t-shirt

19:48:17 cazalla: if i'm a criminal, i'm following you home

19:48:26 nubbins`: really?

19:48:35 mike_c: see asciilifeform's previous link. you shouldn't be advertising your stockpiles

19:48:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.39289504 = 3.5361 BTC [-] {3}

19:48:46 nubbins`: wearing a three-piece suit is advertising a stockpile.

19:48:52 pankkake: or just steal the smartphone

19:48:58 nubbins`: dining at a fancy restaurant is advertising a stockpile.

19:48:59 mike_c: hah. well, mp doesn't agree with that book

19:49:17 nubbins`: driving an SUV is advertising a stockpile.

19:49:30 mike_c: no, because suv is useless post-apocalypse

19:49:32 cazalla: i can't steal you SUV as effectively as i can steal your bitcoins

19:49:32 nubbins`: wearing a BTC t-shirt is advertising the fact that you're a nerd

19:49:37 mike_c: ham in the basement (or btc) is not

19:49:48 pankkake: aren't SUV just cheap big cars for people who can't drive?

19:50:10 nubbins`: no, they're cars so assholes can stop having to tell people that they're assholes

19:50:28 nubbins`: and it can just be assumed

19:50:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.37000002 BTC [-]

19:50:46 mircea_popescu: lmao

19:50:49 ThickAsThieves: hmm why the rally

19:50:52 ThickAsThieves: ;;ticker

19:50:52 gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 940.2, Best ask: 942.5, Bid-ask spread: 2.30000, Last trade: 940.2, 24 hour volume: 35503.67066914, 24 hour low: 765.0, 24 hour high: 947.0, 24 hour vwap: 855.98308

19:50:57 nubbins`: my roommate @ $410: "i'm going to sell half of my bitcoins when the price doubles"

19:50:57 mircea_popescu: reinventing the wheel, two years later. what can possibly go wrong ?

19:51:06 nubbins`: my roommate @ $820: "nevermind"

19:51:34 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves because bugpowder wasn't here in a while going on about the past five minutes ?

19:51:44 mike_c: i don't trust the price when we get this far ahead of the chinese

19:51:49 mike_c: ;;premium btcn mtgox

19:51:51 gribble: Premium of BTCChina over MtGox is currently -7.58578947368 %.

19:52:05 thestringpuller: http://bitbet.us/bet/353/bitcoin-price-to-rise-above-1000/ - better get in on the action soon if this happens

19:52:10 cazalla: looks like chinese have been buying ritecoin on btc-e

19:52:13 pankkake: are they sleeping?

19:52:34 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: bets sent after the trigger of the resolution are discarded, if I recall correctly?

19:52:48 pankkake: thestringpuller: and donate to the shareholders? :)

19:52:50 mike_c: distributed as dividends

19:53:22 pankkake: actually, they are refunded with 1% fee

19:53:30 pankkake: as long as the bet is still open

19:53:34 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller if the bet is not closed they get refunded

19:55:00 mircea_popescu: wow namecoin still exists ?

19:55:06 mircea_popescu: i thought it had died (again)

19:55:41 mircea_popescu: and speaking of the deadpool, anyone ehard anything of the bitcoin foundation lately ?

19:56:50 nubbins`: i only recognize the bitcoin authority, the foundation is a sham

19:57:00 pankkake: namecoin had a silly bug but it's fixed

19:57:06 pankkake: no one still actually uses it :(

19:59:40 mike_c: i don't understand why the gox trading lag jumps from "2 seconds" to "35 minutes"

20:00:03 nubbins`: because bouncy balls instead of chairs

20:00:14 mike_c: it can't be two strings and a can, that's bitstamp.

20:00:25 mike_c: er, two cans and a string :)

20:00:34 nubbins`: hahaha

20:00:47 nubbins`: "i can't hear you" "pull the can tighter"

20:00:50 mike_c: hehe

20:00:51 ThickAsThieves: forum quote of the day "Not to mention that the only thing pre-orders leave you with is a dick in your mouth."

20:00:59 nubbins`: lel

20:02:07 mike_c: my favorite bash, it seems to be lagging. upvote! http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=5

20:03:37 thestringpuller: ;;ticker

20:03:38 gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 922.0, Best ask: 924.0, Bid-ask spread: 2.00000, Last trade: 921.16, 24 hour volume: 36586.58496110, 24 hour low: 765.0, 24 hour high: 950.0, 24 hour vwap: 858.58179

20:03:55 nubbins`: http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=18

20:03:56 ozbot: #bitcoin-assets bash

20:03:56 nubbins`: heh

20:07:14 mod6: ;;bc,stats

20:07:17 gribble: Current Blocks: 271653 | Current Difficulty: 6.094826798883545E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 272159 | Next Difficulty In: 506 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 2 hours, 2 minutes, and 55 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 693111945.529 | Estimated Percent Change: 13.72135

20:14:38 nubbins`: i gave my dad half a bitcoin for his birthday back in august

20:14:51 nubbins`: kinda set the bar a bit high, my mom's birthday is tomorrow ;(

20:15:37 pankkake: give her a quarter of bitcoin, tell her she had to be born earlier

20:15:49 nubbins`: ha, there ya go

20:16:11 blastbob: i have saved 1 BTC each of my closest friends

20:16:12 deadweasel: Give her none, she already has your fathers

20:16:23 nubbins`: deadweasel has it figured out

20:16:29 blastbob: so when i ask them for joining me on a vacation and they say i cannot afford it

20:16:32 blastbob: i pull the btc card

20:16:33 blastbob: :P

20:17:08 nubbins`: ha

20:17:10 deadweasel: don't pull it for 10 years, travel to MPs moonbase where pleasurebots pleasure you while the masses toil at manual hashing.

20:17:13 nubbins`: nice

20:17:34 nubbins`: would rather the bots toil and the masses pleasure me tbh

20:17:35 mike_c: not us deadweasel, we're associates.

20:17:56 mike_c: no manual hashing for us

20:18:14 nubbins`: it's what, < 300 btc to go to space?

20:18:25 mike_c: holy shit. yeah.

20:18:32 thestringpuller: i think it's like 250

20:18:34 thestringpuller: i think

20:18:37 mod6: lol sweet

20:18:38 mircea_popescu: who. who does not want to wear the pleasures.

20:18:43 deadweasel: 294

20:18:47 nubbins`: yeah between 250-300 depending on rate

20:19:01 nubbins`: mircea_popescu: robots don't belong on dicks

20:19:08 nubbins`: too much to go wrong

20:19:32 mircea_popescu: would you rather have a welt or aids ?

20:19:35 mike_c: with badbios floating around, you just can't trust those robots anymore

20:19:42 nubbins`: those are my only options?!

20:19:46 mircea_popescu: it's badbios not badbutts tho

20:19:50 pankkake: never tried a fleshlight. does it really work?

20:20:01 deadweasel: yes, I don't recall fondly my teenage daliance with a pool intake pipe.... dicks should not go in there, lest they never come out.

20:20:05 nubbins`: pankkake: in the sense that fucking anything soft will work, i'd imagine

20:20:11 mircea_popescu: pankkake i recall a bukkake scene where one fo the guys couldn't cum on the girl

20:20:22 nubbins`: pankkake: just roll a slice of bologna around your dick and squat it between two mattresses

20:20:23 mircea_popescu: so eventually he got some plastic blender thing, did it in that

20:20:30 mircea_popescu: then dutifully poured it on her

20:20:33 mircea_popescu: i laughed my ass off

20:20:38 nubbins`: lel

20:20:46 mircea_popescu: fucking surreal.

20:20:47 nubbins`: CV: "can only cum in blenders"

20:21:04 deadweasel: i think the food-network picked him up for an upcoming late night series.

20:21:14 nubbins`: now that's the sort of guy who would choose the pleasurebot

20:21:49 mircea_popescu: as the wanker culture spreads, it'll prolly be rare for people to fuck anyway

20:22:16 nubbins`: shame

20:22:23 deadweasel: already occuring in japan, elsewhere.

20:22:27 deadweasel: un-interested in sex

20:22:41 deadweasel: http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2013/10/22/celibacy_syndrome_in_japan_why_aren_t_young_people_interested_in_sex_or.html

20:22:42 ozbot: Celibacy syndrome in Japan: Why aren't young people interested in sex or relationships?

20:23:00 nubbins`: just taking a stab here, unimaginable levels of social pressure and stress?

20:23:01 pankkake: actually way too many pornos have guys that can't cum

20:23:06 pankkake: it's annoying

20:23:10 mircea_popescu: well for the japanese sex is hard work

20:23:14 mircea_popescu: all that nutty bondage and whatnot

20:23:28 nubbins`: pankkake: like the guys who go "HRRRRRRR NNNNRRRRRGGGGHHHH" and like 5cc dribbles out?

20:23:32 mircea_popescu: pankkake you couldn't cum too if you styuck a needle in your penis

20:23:39 pankkake: thankfully my favorite porn source has the tag "female.completion"

20:23:43 nubbins`: and they have to milk their dicks like empty toothpaste tubes to even get that much?

20:24:09 mircea_popescu: http://cdn.collarme.com/photos/1738663p10.jpg

20:24:38 ThickAsThieves: for your new outfit?

20:25:00 pankkake: is that appealing to foot fetishists? i like the shoe design though

20:25:04 mircea_popescu: i was thinking hashslave uniform

20:25:30 ThickAsThieves: can it even be walked in

20:26:04 ThickAsThieves: looks like you;d need to keep your toes pointing out to keep the form

20:26:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.3614 = 0.7228 BTC [-]

20:26:15 ThickAsThieves: i guess she can scoot along

20:26:34 nubbins`: you'd be surprised how well people can get around on crazy shoes

20:26:40 mircea_popescu: ^

20:26:58 mircea_popescu: she'll walk just fine once the options are well structured.

20:27:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 6534 @ 0.00008256 = 0.5394 BTC [-] {14}

20:27:37 nubbins`: like the uh, what are those japanese ones called

20:27:40 nubbins`: geta or something

20:27:49 nubbins`: i've seen people RUN on cobblestones wearing those

20:28:09 deadweasel: stop chasing them, someone could get hurt.

20:28:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 10247 @ 0.00007156 = 0.7333 BTC [-] {38}

20:28:55 nubbins`: nah, when i chase people, i generally don't notice their footwear

20:29:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3769 @ 0.00006794 = 0.2561 BTC [-] {15}

20:29:18 nubbins`: http://www.buyrumballs.com/images/067%20Geta%2002.jpg

20:30:08 nubbins`: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgA6k-16Oj4

20:30:09 ozbot: Japanese man runs Honolulu Marathon 2009 in wooden shoes - YouTube

20:30:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.36130002 BTC [-]

20:30:31 nubbins`: hm actually shit video, don't bother

20:32:19 deadweasel: no worries, at work, can't risk nsfw in here.

20:32:51 deadweasel: when richard branson clad with naked woman flying a surf kite plastered across my 24" screen yesterday, I decideed no more links at work....

20:33:04 deadweasel: great pic tho

20:46:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 500 @ 0.00353316 = 1.7666 BTC [-] {10}

20:49:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.003511 = 0.1756 BTC [-] {2}

20:50:07 bVector: if I place a bet on bitbet and it gets rejected, will my funding transaction get refunded?

20:50:54 pankkake: if you bet while it is still open, it will be refunded

20:50:58 pankkake: minus 1%

20:51:21 pankkake: in case you bet after the fact

20:51:36 pankkake: http://bitbet.us/bet/353/bitcoin-price-to-rise-above-1000/ I guess? :)

20:51:38 ozbot: BitBet - Bitcoin price to rise above $1000

20:51:48 bVector: just saw the return transaction

20:55:13 Venat: All mistakes are easy to make if one's not particularly trying to avoid making mistakes. You could drive your car into the garage door, for instance.

20:55:15 Venat: roflmao

20:55:27 mike_c: anyone have experience (or opinion) with a good fire-resistant safe?

20:56:00 mircea_popescu: bVector your zeroconf ? yes, always.

20:56:54 asciilifeform: mike_c: a garden.

20:57:13 mike_c: hehe, not this.

20:57:13 mike_c: http://www.gardensafe.com/

20:57:14 ozbot: Garden Safe - Effective Pest Control Solutions for Your Home & Garden | Garden Safe

20:57:24 asciilifeform: mike_c: no, just earth.

20:57:41 asciilifeform: not flammable, last i checked.

20:57:46 mike_c: tougher for urban dwellers

20:58:03 mircea_popescu: mike_c no, but i have something about water resistance : http://nypost.com/2012/11/18/billions-in-bearer-bonds-could-be-lost-due-to-hurricane-sandy-sources/

20:58:03 bVector: mike_c: someone else's garden

20:58:25 mike_c: are you guys serious? like, you would bury your paper backup?

20:58:47 mircea_popescu: print it on plastic.

20:58:57 mircea_popescu: or laminate the paper sheet

20:59:09 pankkake: carve it

20:59:13 mircea_popescu: in bronze

20:59:28 mircea_popescu: but srsly mike_c, safes are a bad idea for holding valuables.

21:00:16 mike_c: i'm not thinking for burglar protection, just fire/water. i mean, what do you guys actually do? carve the backup in bronze and bury it?

21:00:18 asciilifeform: photo etch on a circuit board substrate. $100 of chemical junk suffices. lasts for millenia, good up to 5-600C maybe.

21:00:24 mike_c: hehe

21:01:26 mircea_popescu: stuff of that nature.

21:01:45 bVector: ehh copper isnt the best for corrosion

21:01:47 mike_c: crazy. ok, i'll re-think.

21:01:52 mircea_popescu: a good solution is to gpg it and publish it for instance.

21:01:59 asciilifeform: it will corrode but won't come off the board.

21:02:02 mike_c: ah, now that's a good idea

21:02:20 mike_c: thanks

21:02:21 mircea_popescu: mike_c the reason the girl keeps saying "six months to a year" is quite this : so much shit needs pondering.

21:02:32 mircea_popescu: it's not directly obvious just how much.

21:02:38 asciilifeform: copper can also be electroplated, with damn near anything.

21:02:41 asciilifeform: palladium, if you like.

21:02:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.38 = 1.14 BTC [+]

21:03:14 mircea_popescu: for the record : bronze is the most stable material in general use, by a far margin

21:03:28 mircea_popescu: long after the places where cities stood could no longer even be inferred by radiation measurements,

21:03:33 mircea_popescu: bronze statues will be largely unchanged.

21:03:41 asciilifeform: Au would be the champ though

21:04:10 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well sure, or some custom carbides, or diamond.

21:04:28 FabianB_: looks like bitcoincharts.com got hardware upgrades

21:05:51 mircea_popescu: niceness.

21:06:08 mike_c: of course, to securely gpg it i would need a high-quality rng.. where could i get one of those i wonder.

21:07:02 mike_c: ascii, back to work! ;)

21:25:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15961 @ 0.00080893 = 12.9113 BTC [+] {2}

21:40:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 40 @ 0.0732525 = 2.9301 BTC [-] {2}

21:45:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 65 @ 0.00351 = 0.2282 BTC [-] {2}

22:21:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 24 @ 0.03300006 = 0.792 BTC [-] {3}

22:23:13 ThickAsThieves: ;;ticker

22:23:13 gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 953.50001, Best ask: 961.89, Bid-ask spread: 8.38999, Last trade: 953.50001, 24 hour volume: 34400.68269534, 24 hour low: 805.22, 24 hour high: 964.0, 24 hour vwap: 881.34339

22:23:48 ThickAsThieves: ;;bids 0

22:23:48 gribble: There are currently 11099116 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 37185831.9505 USD in total. | Data vintage: 89.0914 seconds

22:27:55 thestringpuller: ;;ticker

22:27:59 gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 956.0, Best ask: 956.00001, Bid-ask spread: 0.00001, Last trade: 960.0, 24 hour volume: 34310.53027401, 24 hour low: 805.22, 24 hour high: 964.0, 24 hour vwap: 881.8094

22:28:05 thestringpuller: ;;market buy 1000

22:28:06 gribble: A market order to buy 1000 bitcoins right now would take 971019.0300 USD and would take the last price up to 979.3258 USD, resulting in an average price of 971.0190 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0586 seconds

22:28:07 thestringpuller: ;;market buy 10000

22:28:07 gribble: A market order to buy 10000 bitcoins right now would take 10835810.7480 USD and would take the last price up to 1247.1139 USD, resulting in an average price of 1083.5811 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 1.3082 seconds

22:38:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.37 BTC [-]

22:39:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 3 @ 0.1 = 0.3 BTC [-]

22:40:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SMG] 1000 @ 0.00011106 = 0.1111 BTC [+] {3}

22:41:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SMG] 1380 @ 0.00011253 = 0.1553 BTC [+] {4}

22:44:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2654 @ 0.00008888 = 0.2359 BTC [+] {2}

22:57:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 28 @ 0.369952 = 10.3587 BTC [-] {2}

23:10:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.1199 BTC [+]

23:11:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.12 = 0.6 BTC [+]

23:12:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.41404541 = 4.5545 BTC [+] {6}

23:20:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.03687699 = 0.3688 BTC [+] {3}

23:21:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 27 @ 0.0369822 = 0.9985 BTC [+] {4}

23:24:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 15 @ 0.037 = 0.555 BTC [+]

23:26:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 12520 @ 0.0000725 = 0.9077 BTC [-] {2}

23:31:17 pankkake: BFL is doing a black friday discount

23:31:20 pankkake: lel

23:34:58 ThickAsThieves: Guys! BFL miners are 25% off on Black Friday!

23:35:05 ThickAsThieves: lol

23:35:22 ThickAsThieves: i should scroll before typing

23:36:48 pankkake: we are on the same spam list :)

23:38:16 wao-ender: :D

23:40:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1200 @ 0.00080945 = 0.9713 BTC [+]

23:45:13 dexX7: lol :D

23:45:28 jurov`: i'd prefer clay tablets for bearer bonds. gold, bronze, etc. is at risk of being repurposed to scrap metal

23:45:37 jurov`: babylonians knew their stuff

23:48:55 jurov`: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/17/fashion/Washington-DC-has-thriving-gay-lesbian-and-transgender-population.html

23:49:23 jurov`: if anyone wonders what the usg are doing

23:49:50 jurov`: moar gay couples than in manhattan

23:52:48 BingoBoingo: jurov`: Probably clay encased in some sort of acrylic to provide shatter resistance.

23:56:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.4099 = 0.8198 BTC [-]