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00:03:31 asciilifeform: re: discussion of paper wallets: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2014#817461

00:03:31 assbot: Logged on 31-08-2014 18:52:01; asciilifeform: so, formula is: 'don't own. if you own, don't admit it. if you admit it, don't write about it. if you own and admit and write, don't sign your name. if you own, admit, write, and sign name, don't be surprised.' (apologies to rev. t. reese.)

00:04:09 kakobrekla: based also iirc.

00:08:13 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: tor drama << i don't get it. what, exactly, was the linked thing about ?

00:08:53 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: One of the tor devs drawing their USG funded paychecks was an operator of one of the "Anonymous" movement twitter accounts

00:09:04 asciilifeform: lol

00:09:09 Apocalyptic: heh

00:09:10 asciilifeform: this surprised - whom ?

00:09:47 BingoBoingo: This surprised, I guess the small number of anons who might not be from USG's vegetable garden

00:09:59 asciilifeform: tor project funding wasn't secret, either

00:11:03 asciilifeform: it was (originally - and semi-publicly) spun as a 'our spies need to do their thing under the cloak of a river of shit traffic so here's this free service' gizmo

00:11:39 BingoBoingo: Sure, but the Tor people hate bringing that up.

00:11:42 asciilifeform: then rebranded as a u.s. dept. of state 'dissidents need to plan their glorious democratic multi-coloured revolutions without interference from cruel orcish gestapos' gizmo.

00:12:21 *: BingoBoingo suspects .ru darknet markets survive because USG figures russian drugs are russia's problem.

00:12:41 asciilifeform: usg ships afghani opium directly into ru.

00:13:06 asciilifeform: fought a war partly to make this easier.

00:13:22 BingoBoingo: Sure, they ship Afghani opium pretty much everywhere for refinement into heroin.

00:14:51 BingoBoingo: CIA only hated Pablo Escobar because he was competition

00:15:36 asciilifeform: at no point may the orcs have a leader who is not an active muppet.

00:15:45 *: BingoBoingo under the impression USG uses drug money to fund all of its porcelain as opposed to golden toilets

00:15:48 asciilifeform: this is a top reptilian priority.

00:20:50 BingoBoingo: The big question this week is will the Bird that weighs 11 kilos clean and dressed thaw adequately by Thursday Morning.

00:29:52 gernika: May I ask where the reptilian reference comes from? (lizard hitler, et. al) I see some references to Hitler being a Lizard Alien Being on google, but nothing beyond a literal interpretation of that.

00:30:00 asciilifeform: !s lizard hitler

00:30:01 assbot: 23 results for 'lizard hitler' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=lizard+hitler

00:30:38 asciilifeform: comes from an infamous crackpot whose name i've forgotten, who wrote a lengthy treatise on how planet has been secretly ruled by lizard-like aliens since time immemorial

00:31:59 gernika: Wonder if that's what inspired V.

00:32:21 asciilifeform: v?

00:32:40 BingoBoingo: I suspect actual alien influencers would be avian

00:32:46 gernika: Seemed to have a lot of references to the Nazis. 80s made for TV series in which lizards disguised as humanoids invade the planet.

00:33:34 gernika: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V_%281983_miniseries%29

00:33:36 assbot: V (1983 miniseries) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1zs7H1T )

00:33:36 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo, other vintage hardware aficionados: http://www.ebay.com/itm/VERY-RARE-FERRITE-CORE-PLANE-MEMORY-4Pcs-BOARD-USSR-MILITARY-AVIATION-AIR-FORCE-/251698367737?pt=US_Vintage_Computers_Mainframes&hash=item3a9a644cf9

00:33:38 assbot: Very RARE Ferrite Core Plane Memory 4pcs Board USSR Military Aviation Air Force | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1zs7Hia )

00:33:38 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Yes,a tv show. Reptilians in government was actual US pop culture artifact

00:33:48 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: note the ics -and- ferrite combo.

00:34:35 BingoBoingo: Beautiful pictures.

00:35:30 asciilifeform: in usa, ferrite core memory was also manufactured well into the ic age

00:35:37 asciilifeform: why? because persistent.

00:35:44 gernika: There was even gassing of dissidents.

00:35:47 asciilifeform: and far more durable than spinning disk.

00:36:12 *: BingoBoingo would kind of like the rest of the plane too...

00:36:18 asciilifeform: (eeprom with blockwise electrical erasure did not exist en masse until mid-80s)

00:38:13 asciilifeform: if BingoBoingo like ancient russian airplanes, he should get in touch with city hall in timisoara

00:38:27 asciilifeform: there is a titanic pile of them at the little airport there.

00:38:31 asciilifeform: literally, piles

00:39:12 asciilifeform: seems possible that they might agree to part with them for price of scrap, if you arrange transportation.

00:39:14 BingoBoingo: I might have to make a trip there when I can convert BTC to pallets of local scrip

00:39:43 asciilifeform: incidentally, you can see some of these planes from 'google maps'

00:39:49 asciilifeform: they sit in open air, rusting.

00:40:22 BingoBoingo: Also might be fun to rent a hangar and extract them of their own power.

00:40:44 asciilifeform: https://www.google.com/maps/place/RoAF+93rd+Air+Base/@45.8063192,21.3396019,1645m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x4745615425540145:0x692938564f322ef8

00:40:45 assbot: Google Maps ... ( http://bit.ly/1zs93tw )

00:40:48 BingoBoingo: Dunno how many rusting planes it will take to convert to flying plane though

00:41:01 asciilifeform: ru-made interceptors though.

00:41:08 asciilifeform: won't be crossing any oceans.

00:42:36 danielpbarron: 07:29 <+gernika> May I ask where the reptilian reference comes from? << probably from david icke

00:42:53 asciilifeform: aha yes that was him.

00:42:55 BingoBoingo: Ah, so too heavy/long to land on aircraft carrier

00:43:54 asciilifeform: really, the quintessential specialist's toy.

00:44:37 BingoBoingo: So, you suspect they wouldn't be useful for liberating Rhodesia?

00:44:44 gernika: danielpbarron: thanks

00:44:54 asciilifeform: with engine MTBF measured in tens of hours - doubtful.

00:45:07 BingoBoingo: Ah, shame

00:46:13 asciilifeform: have to understand, jet fighter is not really a complete machine. it is a tentacle of the larger industrial slave empire which produced and employed it.

00:46:29 asciilifeform: much like your finger cannot function for long or very usefully unless attached to the rest of you

00:47:20 asciilifeform: as i understand, this is why countries that inherited, bought, stole, etc. some xxx quantity of soviet aircraft yy years ago, tend to fly some small handful z of them at a time

00:47:26 asciilifeform: the rest - are kept in parts graveyards.

00:48:09 asciilifeform: a greybeard and squad of monkeys parts them out, maintaining the handful in some semblance of working order.

00:48:48 *: asciilifeform not involved in this profession in any capacity, knows from thirdhand sources.

00:49:20 BingoBoingo: I thought generally that's how jet fighters work everywhere. Hundreds of planes maybe tens available at any given time if lucky

00:49:47 asciilifeform: only when collapse.

00:50:27 asciilifeform: think of a taxi or bus park. there's usually a handful of disabled vehicles, but they either await the scrapyard or a shipment of parts, given as the latter can be had

00:50:40 asciilifeform: but what if they cannot be had.

00:51:08 asciilifeform: then the situation is reversed - handful of working items, large and sometimes well-guarded lot of cannibalism

00:51:13 BingoBoingo: I thought even US aircraft now are just parts waiting to be consumed by their brothers and sisters

00:51:49 asciilifeform: if this is not yet, then only a matter of time.

00:52:21 BingoBoingo: Maybe not for all aircraft, but it seems the case for the ones the empire uses with regularity in anger

00:53:02 asciilifeform: interceptors and fighting jets in general are a special case of 'cold war' hardware, in that they were never expected to last.

00:53:38 asciilifeform: repairable - yes (at least in ru schools of design). durable - no.

00:54:34 asciilifeform: phun phact. you can download the repair manuals for most of the 'mig' machines.

00:54:48 asciilifeform: why is another question. but - there they are.

00:55:58 dub: I think my body is burning out

00:56:29 dub: brain seems mostly ok with long term sleep deprivation, body taking it harder

00:57:41 dub: some kind of pre-diabetes thing goiing on with suddenly running out of blood sugar

00:57:50 undata: so uh... go to bed?

00:58:08 dub: and muscle cramps worse than anything I've had

00:58:21 *: BingoBoingo pretty sure body needs sleep more than brain

00:58:50 BingoBoingo: dub: Eat banana, take diphenhydramine, go the fuck to sleep

00:59:10 asciilifeform: diphenhydramine << iirc, snips off stage 4. no thx

00:59:18 undata: dub: for you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E--R1n3O_m4

00:59:19 assbot: Go The Fuck To Sleep - Narrated by Samuel L. Jackson - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1zscMqY )

00:59:33 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Varies from person to person.

01:00:32 dub: soft tissue recovery slow as fuck too

01:00:40 asciilifeform: http://international.sueddeutsche.de/post/103543418200/snowden-leaks-how-vodafone-subsidiary-cable << more re: fiber taps

01:00:41 assbot: International - Snowden-Leaks: How Vodafone-Subsidiary Cable & Wireless Aided GCHQ’s Spying Efforts ... ( http://bit.ly/1zsd019 )

01:00:53 dub: wake up screaming with cramp in calf, still sore month later

01:01:50 undata: dub: why are you still complaining about this?

01:02:00 *: dub was in a rather large room full of taps this morning

01:02:11 undata: want someone to actually come over there and tuck you in? go to sleep

01:02:40 dub: its ok undata, I will sleep next month

01:02:47 dub: from the 10th or so

01:02:50 undata: dub: farming pitty in the meanwhile?

01:02:54 undata: *pity

01:03:02 dub: yes, pity

01:03:08 dub: from #b-a

01:03:09 asciilifeform: dub is in... war zone? programmer's death march? or where? why no sleep

01:03:20 BingoBoingo: Honestly after last week's broken dick hard to farm pity for health reasons for a while

01:03:21 *: undata guesses #2

01:03:30 undata: BingoBoingo: who broke their dick?

01:03:33 *: undata checks logs

01:03:38 BingoBoingo: undata: Xanthyos

01:03:45 dub: buddy of mine broke his dick, no joke

01:03:46 BingoBoingo: !s disfigured

01:03:46 assbot: 1 results for 'disfigured' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=disfigured

01:04:03 BingoBoingo: !s fracture

01:04:04 assbot: 28 results for 'fracture' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=fracture

01:04:08 asciilifeform: !s but with meat we fell behind

01:04:09 assbot: 0 results for 'but with meat we fell behind' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=but+with+meat+we+fell+behind

01:04:24 dub: asciilifeform: overkommitment

01:04:30 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-04-2014#641294

01:04:30 assbot: Logged on 24-04-2014 23:07:06; asciilifeform: 'when it comes to milk, we're even with america, at last; as for meat, they're still the leader - our bull broke his cock, alas.'

01:04:50 undata: "xanthyos: they won't even see me because i called the dr a faggot" << winrar right here

01:05:19 undata: I'm also rating the likelihood that this is true at 0.001%

01:06:14 undata: "xanthyos: i act and speak with total sincerity at all times" << pfffff

01:08:13 dub: dick break is apparently not that uncommon but limited to a subset of men

01:08:28 dub: the big dick having set

01:09:03 asciilifeform: the power tool fucking set ?

01:10:20 undata: asciilifeform: or people that think positions seen in porn are enjoyable for anyone who isn't a camera

01:10:39 dub: missionary in my friends case

01:11:05 asciilifeform: reminds of ilkka kokkarinen's 'alien problems':

01:11:09 asciilifeform: 'I?d like to see one expression coined by the poker writer Matt Matros become common parlance, since it applies far more widely than only to poker. An ?alien problem? means some problem that might be fun, interesting and educational to analyze, and it would be really important to know the solution if you ever found yourself in that situation, but the point is that you shouldn't even be having that problem in the first pl

01:11:09 asciilifeform: ace, because it can only have resulted from you having made choices that are obviously wrong and easily avoidable. At the poker table, the description of an alien problem might begin ?So I called a raise and re-raise preflop from the small blind with my jack-three offsuit...? Say no more. Don?t call a raise and re-raise from the small blind when you have nothing but a measly jack-three offsuit, and you won?t have to th

01:11:09 asciilifeform: ink about how to get out of problems like that. Outside the poker table, consider any problem that starts with the words ?So, I have been having a steamy secret affair with the wife of this violent mob boss, and now she...?'

01:11:23 BingoBoingo: It's in the log, he did a persian penis trick compulsively to quash his boners, and this time it went wrong

01:13:22 undata: pics or gtfo

01:13:33 undata: gpg signed

01:13:57 danielpbarron: he put the pics on twitter, but it's a private account

01:15:12 undata: bah! hearsay!

01:15:35 dub: the break happened in another buddy of mine, her telling it was standard drunken missionary. Loud snap, deformation, severe bruising, hospital visit, months of rehab

01:16:20 undata: dub: am I supposed to believe every joker that claims he broke his dick? standards, man.

01:17:33 danielpbarron: months??

01:17:44 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: re: historic hardware: ever own a 'ibm workpad z50' ?

01:18:02 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I've never had that experience.

01:18:09 dub: danielpbarron: never torn a uscle?

01:18:14 dub: muscle*

01:18:22 danielpbarron: i guess not

01:18:32 danielpbarron: never had months of rehab

01:18:45 danielpbarron: and i had my appendix rupture

01:18:50 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: odd little bugger. the usual nice 'thinkpad' keyboard, but inside - a 'mips' cpu. normally ran embedded winblows (yes, for mips!) from 16m rom. but easily hackable to use netbsd or linux.

01:18:54 dub: lucky you

01:19:09 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: ~1kg weight, iirc. no built-in networking.

01:19:59 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: also notable for the option of running on 'aa' batteries.

01:20:07 dub: undata: because I care http://www.the-bent-penis-website.com/broken-penis.html

01:20:09 assbot: Do I Have a Broken Penis? ... ( http://bit.ly/1zsgErV )

01:20:47 dub: fuck that I cant even read that

01:22:35 undata: dub: I know it's a thing

01:24:29 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: http://www.mars.dti.ne.jp/~ayase/tp/wpz50.htm << rom on 3rd photo from bottom

01:24:31 assbot: 404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1zshuF8 )

01:25:33 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: http://djbnetbsd.drivehq.com/PC/NetBSD/Z50/index.html << netbsd on that machine.

01:31:02 BingoBoingo: Interesting. Might have to play with one some day. Probably worth it to keep one on hand because of the AA batteries deal

01:32:01 decimation: asciilifeform: did you ever play with an hp 200lx?

01:32:18 asciilifeform: decimation: yes. sold it many years ago though. terrible keyboard.

01:32:44 decimation: I remember back when my best portable computer was an hp-48

01:33:01 decimation: I think the 200lx had a similar 'chiclet' keyboard

01:33:53 *: BingoBoingo about to order yet another replacement fan for X120e, doesn't trust the latest offering the Chicoms on Ebay shipped

01:35:13 decimation: asciilifeform: apparently the lady whose website you linked has an apco project 25 decoding system http://scanner.rachelbythebay.com/

01:35:14 assbot: Super Trunking Scanner ... ( http://bit.ly/1zsj0qE )

01:35:20 asciilifeform: aha.

01:35:21 decimation: or at least, wrapped someone else's

01:35:29 asciilifeform: many good essays in there, too.

01:35:56 decimation: apparently they implemented the 'tdma' version too, which allows a single 12 khz channel to be timeshared with two radios

01:36:12 decimation: because the FCC demanded that all these incumbant users reduce their bandwidth

01:37:08 decimation: another amusing post by the friendly nydwracu: http://nithgrim.wordpress.com/2014/10/21/the-web-of-dependency/

01:37:09 assbot: The web of dependency | nydwracu niþgrim, nihtbealwa mæst ... ( http://bit.ly/1zsjhdc )

01:37:17 decimation: "“In practice, technologies will be used by control systems to maintain their power and stability.” People subject themselves to the control system for some perceived (and perhaps even real) benefit, and then get bitten by the tradeoffs."

01:37:33 asciilifeform: (not a misprint! there were once intelligent, educated woman programmers in usa. but when the profession became 'blue collar' - akin to, e.g., cement mixer operator - they mostly disappeared.)

01:38:06 decimation: yeah there were many women in cs in the 80's

01:38:35 asciilifeform: not even talking about academiwank

01:39:29 asciilifeform: i have, for instance, 'programmer's guide to CLOS [common lisp object system]' on my shelf, by one sonya keene.

01:39:33 asciilifeform: it was a good book.

01:40:55 asciilifeform: 'As long as genetic modification is being done primarily by big agribusiness, plants will be altered to make them more compatible with central control of the food supply.'

01:40:55 decimation: yeah she has an interesting post related to this point: http://rachelbythebay.com/w/2011/06/04/fireandforget/ << "When pressed for details, this individual thought for a while and then said that he expects such people to be "fire and forget". In other words, you send them off and they get stuff done."

01:40:55 assbot: Fire and forget, or sexism in software engineering ... ( http://bit.ly/1zsjYDu )

01:40:57 asciilifeform: we did this one here.

01:41:10 asciilifeform: (re: plants)

01:41:39 decimation: yeah, many conversations here have parallels with his thoughts

01:41:51 asciilifeform: !s monsanto

01:41:52 assbot: 42 results for 'monsanto' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=monsanto

01:41:55 asciilifeform: ^ these.

01:42:11 decimation: in the comments he makes a useful summary: "Control toward reduction of violence, protection of property rights, etc. is good, because the consequences are good on net; you can’t have a civilized society when everyone is killing each other and looting the corpses. Progressive control is bad, because civilization is incompatible with progressivism, so folk culture should be protected against mass culture."

01:42:57 asciilifeform: but must not forget - things which cannot defend themselves - die.

01:43:33 decimation: well, so when it's 'easier' to sit down and eat a tv movie while having your brain manipulated by the tv, it's good to know why

01:43:44 asciilifeform: eventually - somehow - the hunter makes his way to the island of delicious flightless birds.

01:43:51 asciilifeform: or 'flightless' people.

01:44:07 undata: "I'm not going to be suppressed anymore" YOU HEAR THAT DAD?!

01:44:10 decimation: "The seductive appeal of such things was nearly irresistible, for each of these items can make a quantum improvement in a sylvan lifestyle. Acquisition of several or all of these goods is a transformative experience that makes contact essentially irreversible."

01:46:23 undata: I have a hard time processing how telling your underling to maximize thinking for him/herself is suppression

01:46:37 undata: -or- "stop talking about how shitty the code is and get it fixed"

01:47:08 undata: I loathe working with people who bitch about how bad the codebase that is ostensibly their "work" is

01:48:08 decimation: undata: I think it illustrates the 'people are replaceable parts' attitude common in 'tech industry'

01:52:19 undata: decimation: sure, but in the case above the worker could actually be over-communicating

01:52:29 undata: which runs counter to the point of hiring her

01:53:36 undata: if the boss has to check off every single decision she's going to make, why doesn't he just move her out of the way? at that point she's just a really slow intermediary

01:55:07 decimation: in practice, I've found that kind of attitude to result in workarounds on top of workarounds, because of the lack of coordination

01:56:15 asciilifeform: the layers workarounds happen regardless - because how could there possibly be coordination with previous programmers

01:56:35 asciilifeform: (i.e. those who built the layers of crud tortoises on which the elephants stand)

01:57:16 decimation: asciilifeform: so would it be better for the elephant-builders to take note of the shit foundation upon which they work, or simply 'get things done' new jersey style?

01:57:22 asciilifeform: this is why the only extant computerized gadgets that aren't total crud were built from, or virtually from, the ground up.

01:58:02 asciilifeform: decimation: the ultimate, inescapable fact is that most of the products don't need to exist at all.

01:59:44 asciilifeform: that in that world, we might all be doing (horror!) honest work (e.g., http://www.strangecosmos.com/images/content/141698.jpg ) - such is life.

01:59:45 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1zsnHAL )

01:59:45 undata: decimation: dunno, I'm on the other end, and despise people who over-rely on authority to think

01:59:53 undata: likely the situation was somewhere in the middle

02:00:09 undata: some software projects are irredeemably fucked, and maybe the boss didn't want to hear that

02:02:05 asciilifeform: where's that mircea_popescu article re: how the average plebe has no business pretending to run a computer.

02:07:03 ben_vulpes: good god

02:07:13 ben_vulpes: so many riot geared cops out tonight

02:07:16 ben_vulpes: all the fuck over, too

02:09:02 BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: In your yard???

02:09:13 ben_vulpes: "little beirut"

02:10:10 ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: this afternoon i saw a jeep 'truck' and chrysler 'minivan' block traffic on burnside for no reason. two vehicles, completely unmarked, pulled out into traffic, turned on head/taillight mars signallers, blocked the street for two full minutes, then turned said lights off and peeled off

02:10:22 ben_vulpes: i also saw a van with outriggers packed with riot-geared cops

02:10:42 undata: that makes me want to go drive around

02:10:54 ben_vulpes: you crazy, mang.

02:11:03 ben_vulpes: i'm staying way the fuck out of their way.

02:11:03 undata: surely nothing too nutso is going on downtown?

02:11:10 undata: just people marching?

02:11:13 ben_vulpes: nominally 1k humans derping around

02:11:22 undata: that'll show 'em

02:11:25 BingoBoingo: "Guard Busses are not to be used to block traffic"

02:11:35 ben_vulpes: undata: let's stay in and drink

02:11:48 asciilifeform: https://twitter.com/search?v=stream&q=%23OCCUPYSTAMP&src=hash&mode=photos

02:11:51 assbot: #OCCUPYSTAMP - Twitter Photos Search ... ( http://bit.ly/1zspVQP )

02:11:52 ben_vulpes: lady v's making pies with my younger brother tonight and i don't want to be around for it

02:11:54 BingoBoingo: Just turned on http://www.ustream.tv/channel/st-louis-county-police-scanner sounds interesting already

02:11:55 assbot: St. Louis County Police Scanner on USTREAM: This is an audio stream of the St. Louis County Police scanners. Ferguson PD RIOT-A RIOT-B RIOT-C RIOT-D RIOT-E... ... ( http://bit.ly/1zspWnS )

02:12:17 undata: ben_vulpes: can't drink tonight; I'm rolling out updates this evening

02:12:22 ben_vulpes: stop working

02:12:25 ben_vulpes: it's 6:15

02:12:27 asciilifeform: at umd, 'student union' (large bldg full of restaurants) is full of pr0t3st3rs

02:12:40 ben_vulpes: no deploys after 3pm or on friday

02:12:45 asciilifeform: 'While we're hurting, we want to be very visible.'

02:12:55 asciilifeform: 'People continued to sit and eat. So we took away their seats.'

02:13:15 asciilifeform: 'This is what being apart of something bigger than yourself looks and feels like' << mega-lol!

02:14:13 undata: ben_vulpes: maybe in a bit; lets see if I don't screw everything up

02:14:26 ben_vulpes: you won't

02:14:32 ben_vulpes: if you do, you should license my hairball

02:15:43 asciilifeform: '"Hands up, don't shoot" #OccupyStamp ? the one girl on her phone at the table, different beliefs?'

02:15:47 asciilifeform: oh noez, a wrecker!

02:17:06 BingoBoingo: Map of last night's fires https://mapsengine.google.com/map/embed?mid=zSFWwiGyTGoo.k7ELQgmZ3bsA

02:17:07 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1zsqQRg )

02:18:53 asciilifeform: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2014/11/the-only-way-to-stop-empire.html << does not disappoint loltron

02:18:55 assbot: ClubOrlov: The Only Way to Stop the Empire ... ( http://bit.ly/1zsr3nA )

02:21:19 asciilifeform: ^ mr. o actually calling for 'tax revolt'

02:22:04 asciilifeform: imho this clinches the moscow hypothesis.

02:22:12 asciilifeform: not even a down's syndrome case would post this from u.s. soil.

02:23:17 asciilifeform: scratch that.

02:23:18 asciilifeform: guest article.

02:24:51 asciilifeform: real question is whether mr o actually drinks the 'kool aid' re: riots being 'popular anger', or merely pretends to.

02:30:32 decimation: asciilifeform: what amazes me is why a tax revolt hasn't happened yet

02:30:56 decimation: how does usg so utterly dominate the masses?

02:31:01 BingoBoingo: Something SOmething 4 victims

02:33:18 decimation: BingoBoingo: it would be useful if someone had a copy of rachel by the bay's apco-25 widget running there

02:33:54 BingoBoingo: decimation: Getting within range to do that seems precarious

02:34:33 decimation: nah, that stuff is repeated over multiple high repeater towers typically

02:35:36 BingoBoingo: decimation: You have to understand I am safely on the other side of the Mississippi and would rather stay here atm.

02:36:13 decimation: BingoBoingo: within 10-20 miles should be easy range

02:37:28 asciilifeform: even if you could decode - what do you expect to find?

02:37:34 asciilifeform: of interest, that is

02:38:01 BingoBoingo: decimation: But if I go closer than my present 30 miles... I face the possibility of encountering either police or protesters

02:38:06 decimation: well, typically the feed that is being relayed on those websites comes from a 'track-tracker' scanner

02:38:28 decimation: which can usually only either receive the control channel or a data channel at any one time

02:38:36 asciilifeform: why a tax revolt hasn't happened yet: usg has old, reliable, well-oiled mechanisms for dealing with folks who didn't pay.

02:38:37 decimation: thus, one would miss conversations of potential interest

02:39:09 decimation: asciilifeform: yeah, that plus usg has generally used the power of printed dollars to make it such that most people don't pay taxes, making compliance a non-issue

02:39:30 asciilifeform: re: radio: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=25-11-2014#933930 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-11-2014#933935

02:39:30 assbot: Logged on 25-11-2014 03:23:38; asciilifeform: the folks who care about intercept of grunt radios - are concerned with tactic, not strategy.

02:39:30 assbot: Logged on 25-11-2014 03:23:50; asciilifeform: that is, the immediate question of whether 'they' are on the way to your sector.

02:39:45 asciilifeform: don't expect to find 'juicy' conversation.

02:39:56 decimation: asciilifeform: nah, just soap-opera stuff

02:40:08 asciilifeform: not even.

02:40:12 decimation: actually because of police encryption, the fire dept. is more interesting

02:40:12 asciilifeform: mostly 'robot' commands.

02:40:22 asciilifeform: e.g., #x-yy at quadrant q.

02:40:43 decimation: many fire departments have resisted adopting the pure-digital radios

02:40:48 asciilifeform: what i'm saying is that even if one could decrypt the whole lot, it is rarely of interest

02:40:54 asciilifeform: unless you're actively engaged

02:41:05 decimation: because the shitty codec (made by a proprietary chip company called dvsi) sounds even more shitty while wearing oxygen mask

02:41:26 decimation: asciilifeform: yeah, it would really only be of interest to someone who is interesting to the police

02:41:32 BingoBoingo: <decimation> many fire departments have resisted adopting the pure-digital radios << Many firefighters/EMS prefer being able to use personally acquired radios

02:41:33 asciilifeform: police, incidentally, are the accomplished masters of 'need to know'

02:41:42 decimation: otherwise it's kind of an old-man hobby

02:41:46 asciilifeform: that is, grunt blocking off a street in dc, typically is telling the truth when says he doesn't know why

02:42:11 decimation: firefighters want the old full fm analog system, without compression

02:42:26 decimation: because when you want help in burning wearing a mask, you don't want to save bandwidth

02:42:35 BingoBoingo: "EMS is en route for child with a fever"

02:43:11 BingoBoingo: decimation: I know here firefighters prefer analog for "intelligible range" of transmissions

02:43:19 decimation: asciilifeform: wrt police need to know < I think there is some credibility to Mr. Y's thinking that urban police 'bridge the gap' between crazy usg policy and reality

02:43:29 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: graceful degradation, yes.

02:43:51 decimation: right, the other problem with digital schemes is that they tend to work well down to a low SNR, and then utterly fail

02:44:01 decimation: whereas FM might drop out for a few microseconds and one wouldn't notice

02:44:29 asciilifeform: this behaviour is achievable on digital using error codes (e.g., trellis) but this - afaik - is not done in p25.

02:44:29 decimation: this is one reason why aircraft still use AM modulation

02:44:50 decimation: asciilifeform: yes, but that just pushes the 'wall' lower and makes it steeper

02:45:06 decimation: plus it implies memory in the system, which implies re-acquisition time

02:45:50 decimation: unlike FM, two people can 'speak' on AM radio simultaneously while being simultaneously intelligible to a third party

02:46:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54550 @ 0.00040453 = 22.0671 BTC [+] {2}

02:46:50 decimation: typical FM receivers 'pick' the strongest signal upon which to lock their PLL and thus capture the full output. One can experience this with FM broadcast radio in the car, as you are on the edge of a station's coverage - you hear 'flutter' as your radio switches between two stations

02:47:02 asciilifeform: at any rate, anyone who isn't an active participant in the events, and expects to hear some 'interesting' secret over radio - will be disappointed.

02:47:16 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Locally vehicle fitted with crazy antennas is one of firefighter or TempleOS app developer. Feds nevar have cool visible antennas

02:47:32 decimation: asciilifeform: I tend to agree. Did you see that USG banned flying over st. louis? For your safety.

02:47:41 asciilifeform: lol

02:47:50 BingoBoingo: decimation: Not over all of St Louis

02:47:53 asciilifeform: fire zone.

02:48:06 decimation: that's the ostensible reason

02:48:14 asciilifeform: usg choppers were supposedly fired upon during 'katrina'

02:49:06 asciilifeform: (i once spoke with a police chopper man during a local 'show & tell', asked about armour. he answered 'you gotta be kidding')

02:49:36 decimation: heh yeah too much weight for one thing

02:49:45 decimation: I don't think most us mil helicopters are armoured

02:50:13 undata: the no-fly thing reminds me of Joe Stack

02:50:25 undata: the guy that flew a plane into a TX IRS building

02:50:38 asciilifeform: no worries, the coming national gendarmerie will have 'apache'.

02:50:40 undata: too bad his manifesto was distinctly commie

02:50:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 104 @ 0.01115126 = 1.1597 BTC [-]

02:51:16 decimation: the only armored aircraft I know usg flies is the A-10, and they are trying to get rid of them

02:51:22 decimation: apaches might have some too

02:51:49 asciilifeform: don't need elaborate armour against civilian small arms.

02:51:56 BingoBoingo: part of the traffic they stopped Yesterday in Stl County were passenger Jumbo Jets

02:52:15 decimation: generally commercial passenger jets are exempt

02:52:27 BingoBoingo: Because where runway is aimed, goes over Ferguson

02:52:28 asciilifeform: afaik no one has yet seen it fit to supply the pr0t3st3rs with heavier arms

02:52:47 asciilifeform: if moscow has a lick of sense - this is being worked on, there.

02:53:19 asciilifeform: all they'd need to do is tip off the right folks re: where the caches are.

02:53:33 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Someone is prolly going through file cabinets in Moscow to find Stl metro stockpiles

02:53:35 asciilifeform: and how to open them without setting off the mine.

02:53:44 decimation: heh

02:54:40 decimation: it looks like they lifted the flight restriction in question

02:55:23 decimation: http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/st-louis-county-police-ferguson-no-fly-zone-was-for/article_76a8ece7-f9de-5fb2-bcf4-9a79422b4f01.html

02:55:25 assbot: St. Louis County police: Ferguson no-fly zone was for safety, not to keep media away : News ... ( http://bit.ly/1xZmCUa )

02:57:01 decimation: "“There is really ... no option for a TFR that says, you know, ‘OK, everybody but the media is OK,’ ” he said. The managers then worked out wording they thought would keep news helicopters out of the controlled zone but not impede other air traffic."

02:57:29 decimation: of course the carbinari would control air traffic FOR YOUR SAFETY

02:57:31 BingoBoingo: decimation: I wouldn't be surprised if that status is in flux. The way Lambert Intl's runways are set... peace in Ferguson is almsot a pre-requisite for safe departures

02:57:54 decimation: BingoBoingo: unless winds are bad, most airports have multiple runways

02:58:02 ben_vulpes: ;;seen PinkPosixPXE

02:58:03 gribble: PinkPosixPXE was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 weeks, 2 days, 15 hours, 40 minutes, and 33 seconds ago: <PinkPosixPXE> ;;gpg info adlai

02:58:21 ben_vulpes: ;;later tell PinkPosixPXE hey friend got a minute?

02:58:21 gribble: The operation succeeded.

02:58:40 BingoBoingo: decimation: Sure, but not all the same length and too frequently in the same orientation

02:58:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1585 @ 0.00124895 = 1.9796 BTC [-]

03:00:36 decimation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIuS4qx9WE4

03:00:37 assbot: Shortest runway in the world? - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1xCPbl9 )

03:02:14 ben_vulpes: ;;seen punkman

03:02:14 gribble: punkman was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 18 hours, 25 minutes, and 37 seconds ago: <punkman> https://fuzzing-project.org/software.html

03:02:30 ben_vulpes: punkman: yo what's the story with deedbot and deeds.bitcoin-assets.com?

03:02:40 ben_vulpes: someone actually emailed *me* about the deeds site being down

03:02:50 ben_vulpes: albeit in the context of our derpy fundation, but still

03:03:01 ben_vulpes: derpy? i mean culty.

03:34:20 BingoBoingo: http://www.bbcamerica.com/anglophenia/2012/10/50-years-of-bond-george-lazenby-one-hit-wonder/ << Pussy

03:34:21 assbot: 50 Years of James Bond: George Lazenby, One-Hit Wonder? | Anglophenia | BBC America ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fp8mow )

03:49:45 BingoBoingo: !up justusranvier

03:49:49 BingoBoingo: Hello justusranvier

03:50:18 BingoBoingo: Been contemplating any anti-Tempest computer setups justusranvier

03:55:30 decimation: lol related: http://theworstthingsforsale.com/2014/11/25/whole-house-neutralizer/

03:55:31 assbot: Whole-House Neutralizer » The Worst Things For Sale ... ( http://bit.ly/1rfRBcG )

04:22:20 asciilifeform: !s placebocin

04:22:21 assbot: 2 results for 'placebocin' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=placebocin

04:23:25 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: at one point i needed some conductive cloth (the kind with silver strands) for an experiment. to my great surprise, i discovered that there is a large manufacturer in usa, and they do brisk business with folks suffering from precisely the kind of phobia described in decimation's link.

04:24:06 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It is amazing how many good things come from the demands of the misguided

04:24:06 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

04:24:07 asciilifeform: sticks and straw for cargo cult - amazing business.

04:24:07 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

04:24:50 decimation: asciilifeform: to actually 'seal' an entire room at high frequencies is actually pretty difficult

04:25:03 *: asciilifeform knows this well.

04:25:05 decimation: think how a cracked window makes a dark room 'light'

04:25:47 decimation: 'pros' use full metal welded cages with special provisions for all holes

04:25:57 asciilifeform: aha.

04:26:15 asciilifeform: and with mu-metal for magnetics.

04:26:26 decimation: indeed

04:26:29 asciilifeform: (yes - magnetic transients exist)

04:26:53 BingoBoingo: Just remember to salt the ground around your ground

04:27:20 decimation: sure, E-M waves can be generated from either purely electric or purely magnetic fields in motion

04:28:28 asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igcr5uPt5Hg << on topic

04:28:29 assbot: Del Cross B - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1zsMLYA )

04:28:39 asciilifeform: ^ for all students

04:29:30 asciilifeform: no one who hears it, will forget the equations.

04:36:59 ben_vulpes: ah that's fucking brilliant

04:37:12 *: mircea_popescu goes to read diligently what teh gents are on about

04:37:24 ben_vulpes: i can't believe that i've never seen that until today

04:38:38 mircea_popescu: https://www.quantcast.com/qntra.net BingoBoingo cazalla dude this thing's actually catching on!

04:38:40 assbot: Qntra.net Traffic and Demographic Statistics by Quantcast ... ( http://bit.ly/1zsOj4H )

04:40:07 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Today cazalla found so many new incoming links from... actual other news sites

04:40:23 mircea_popescu: myeah. teamwork an' errything :)

04:40:26 mircea_popescu: you two write more!

04:41:44 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: New must happen first. I'm not writing about a fucking image macro like Conde Nasty http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/11/western-union-doesnt-like-bitcoin-spoof-ad-files-dmca-takedown-claim/ Imma write moar though

04:41:45 assbot: Western Union doesn’t like Bitcoin spoof ad, files DMCA takedown claim | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1zsOQn8 )

04:42:02 asciilifeform: qntra << lol, it's almost at the level of my own obscure site now.

04:42:41 cazalla: asciilifeform, always an optimist eh

04:42:52 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo clearly.

04:43:11 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Almost. Loper is a big site though. You are TempleOS without the Dopamine blockers.

04:43:15 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well, in some perspectives.

04:43:47 asciilifeform: except that qntra is not as forsaken, in that i get 100-200/day except for 1-2 days in a month, where it's 10-30k

04:43:54 BingoBoingo: The truth is though that Bitcoin is still an obscure thing

04:43:56 asciilifeform: and they're all from some moron reservation

04:43:58 asciilifeform: e.g. 'reddit'

04:44:38 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Now that I've realized it some months ago I can't forget stumbling into loper well before stumbling into BTC

04:44:52 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: how'd you do that

04:45:01 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Hypercard Article

04:45:05 asciilifeform: aha.

04:46:09 BingoBoingo: Hypercard was the tool I used to sort the girls I wanted to fuck in High School... Because 80's movies

04:50:25 asciilifeform: lol mr. flood is still in business?

04:50:37 BingoBoingo: Perhaps>

04:50:57 asciilifeform: quite a few paired 'joined/quit' in today's log.

04:51:11 BingoBoingo: TaT joined earleir today but I didn't have time to warn about Mr. Flood before join/part storm affected him

04:51:32 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: perhaps add to channel message-line ?

04:51:40 asciilifeform: 'we have mice'

04:52:36 BingoBoingo: Not Mice, whatever the plural of Geese is. Big, but thin neck.

04:53:16 BingoBoingo: Geese is threatening animal that any adult simian should be able to swiftly dispatch with bare hands

04:53:22 kakobrekla: 'joined/quit' < ping timeouts?

04:53:46 mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> The truth is though that Bitcoin is still an obscure thing << quote. but for that matter, theatre is still a fucking obsscuire thing

04:53:50 mircea_popescu: only been around for 5000 years.

04:53:50 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: aha

04:54:33 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> and they're all from some moron reservation <<< how would it work so that a large crowd is anything else ?

04:55:17 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: naturally. that's why i no longer even bother to check at most times.

04:55:17 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: There's a utility to this though. There's a reason why men range counter tenor to contra bass and yet castrati are something else

04:55:18 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla hey, can assbot pm change to

04:55:33 asciilifeform: i no longer give a damn if it was 'reddit', 'hacker news', or whatever.

04:55:48 mircea_popescu: -assbot- Welcome to #bitcoin-assets. To get voice (ie, to be able to speak), first identify with gribble and then send "!up" to assbot in a private message. If you do not have a WoT account, try politely asking one of the voiced people for a temporary pass. If you get flooded upon connection, go to #Freenode ask for a cloak come back under a different name.

04:55:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71850 @ 0.00039723 = 28.541 BTC [-] {2}

04:56:16 asciilifeform: 'or come back under' ?

04:56:19 mircea_popescu: o wow, under 40 huh

04:56:26 kakobrekla: i very much doubt diff name will halp

04:56:31 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla how ?

04:56:32 kakobrekla: i mean, do anything

04:56:39 mircea_popescu: cloak | diff name ?

04:57:32 kakobrekla: diff name

04:57:43 mircea_popescu: but my msg says both.

04:58:55 kakobrekla: you think there is actually 'if cloak then look in logs for host' ?

04:59:05 mircea_popescu: yes.

04:59:12 kakobrekla: i doubt it.

04:59:18 mircea_popescu: ;;isup log.bitcoin-assets.com

04:59:21 gribble: log.bitcoin-assets.com is down

04:59:24 kakobrekla: what

04:59:35 kakobrekla: its up here

04:59:36 mircea_popescu: i dunno it died while i was trying to read up on today's affairs.

04:59:38 mircea_popescu: ;;isup log1.bitcoin-assets.com

04:59:39 gribble: log1.bitcoin-assets.com is up

04:59:41 mircea_popescu: is that down there ?

05:00:13 kakobrekla: no

05:00:14 kakobrekla: up

05:01:01 ben_vulpes: up for me too

05:01:05 kakobrekla: im not seeing anything out of the ordinary

05:01:19 mircea_popescu: bizarre.

05:01:25 mircea_popescu: ;;isup log.bitcoin-assets.com

05:01:28 gribble: log.bitcoin-assets.com is down

05:01:38 kakobrekla: ;;isup liar

05:01:39 gribble: liar is up

05:01:47 mircea_popescu: thanks god for gribble otherwise you'd be calling me teh liar :D

05:01:59 kakobrekla: mhm

05:02:08 mircea_popescu: PFFFF!

05:02:12 kakobrekla: mebbe you bribed it who knows

05:02:36 ben_vulpes: ntube's corruptible!

05:02:38 ben_vulpes: scandal

05:02:38 mircea_popescu: you know it's downforeveryoneelse.com

05:03:03 BingoBoingo: ;;isup ferguson.happy

05:03:04 gribble: ferguson.happy is down

05:03:30 mircea_popescu: pity it doesn't say "went down"

05:03:41 kakobrekla: ;;isup btcusd

05:03:41 gribble: btcusd is up

05:03:46 kakobrekla: arite

05:04:23 BingoBoingo: Ferguson.happy spent 20 years going down. How Ferguson.happy is just down.

05:05:24 *: BingoBoingo is dissapoint feruson burned and not Town and COuntry

05:06:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80250 @ 0.000392 = 31.458 BTC [-] {3}

05:08:50 BingoBoingo: Clayton burning, even though it hosts county government is prolly impossibru this year

05:17:50 BingoBoingo: !up hiddosme

05:17:53 mircea_popescu: lol

05:18:47 mircea_popescu: does it work ?

05:21:28 *: BingoBoingo thinks kako gives his bait names of excessive obvious. What's Wrong with Tom?

05:23:00 kakobrekla: yes it works

05:24:28 mircea_popescu: assbot: 2014 Proof of Honor (POH) Awards << bwahahaa o god.

05:24:30 mircea_popescu: pashtuncoin ?

05:25:02 kakobrekla: peaked at about 1.2gbps

05:25:18 asciilifeform: logs alive here.

05:25:23 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: You've been nominate nao https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=855130.msg9655184#msg9655184

05:25:23 assbot: 2014 Proof of Honor (POH) Awards - Official Voting begins December 1st (12/1)! ... ( http://bit.ly/1vkMsQb )

05:25:49 mircea_popescu: i dunno what this is ?

05:27:30 mircea_popescu: https://i.imgur.com%2Fffg7VCp.png&t=546&c=30RGfn8AjBfL0g << who are all these people.

05:27:36 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Some spam asperzing site that wants to be BTC news is hosting "awards"

05:28:39 mircea_popescu: "What is Proof of Honor? The turbulence in our cryptosphere has made it difficult at times to spot out the real leaders ? the true innovators. We have introduced the Proof of Honor as an award to acknowledge the achievement of those who have brought to this environment something new and exciting."

05:28:42 asciilifeform: http://blog.nexusguard.com/ssdp-ddos-attacks << intro to the type of idiot vulnerability used by mr. flood.

05:28:45 assbot: SSDP M-Search Attack - Another Amplified Reflexive DDoS Attack Analysis - The Nexusguard Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1vkMGHb )

05:28:46 mircea_popescu: look at that, fight turbulence with turbulence!

05:28:57 mircea_popescu: well, esl turbulence anyway.

05:32:02 BingoBoingo: Well, ESL user that spams reddit with blog, doesn't get called out for it. Prolly because eSL

05:32:15 BingoBoingo: https://www.reddit.com/user/TkHamed

05:32:18 assbot: overview for TkHamed ... ( http://bit.ly/1vkN08E )

05:34:08 mircea_popescu: !up Decima|

05:35:06 *: ben_vulpes is still benefiting from decades of others good decisions buried in emacs - this week, proper connection and cloaking behavior in the irc client

05:35:32 kakobrekla: btw BingoBoingo the thing is automated, and just like there is no searching the log for old ips, there is also no check if nick contains 'ddos' letters

05:36:06 mircea_popescu: ^

05:36:21 ben_vulpes: does anyone have experience compiling bitcoin from source on free or open bsd?

05:38:19 BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Ah, I wasn't sure they'd advanced to automating. Thought they'd still be mating with their hand.

05:38:52 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: loper-os.org/pub/flood.txt.gz << in case you missed

05:39:59 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I saw, was overwhelmed. I'm still benefiting from great design decisions made in who knows the fuck what anymore.

05:41:34 BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Dignork does

05:41:49 BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: danielpbarron also does

05:43:18 BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: There is evidence I've done it on sun OS, but no memory of having done so, so unproductive tree to bark up.

05:44:20 ben_vulpes: lol sun os that's pretty good

05:44:48 BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: The useful versions are basically classical era BSD.

05:45:03 BingoBoingo: Before divergence set in

05:45:03 mircea_popescu: babbys_first_bit: i have a shitty laptop that I've devoted to my cold storage, disabled wifi etc <<< check out noob with solid plan.

05:45:40 BingoBoingo: He really was on it until...

05:48:09 ben_vulpes: ;;later tell dignork hey wouldja check in with me about your experiences with bitcoin on bsd?

05:48:10 gribble: The operation succeeded.

05:48:14 ben_vulpes: ;;later tell danielpbarron hey wouldja check in with me about your experiences with bitcoin on bsd?

05:48:14 gribble: The operation succeeded.

05:49:05 BingoBoingo: !up mikaeldice

05:49:16 asciilifeform: http://www.art.net/~hopkins/Don/unix-haters/x-windows/disaster.html << good vintage h4t3f3st

05:49:18 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1vkOgZn )

05:49:35 asciilifeform: 'The X-Windows Disaster: How to make a 50-MIPS Workstation Run Like a 4.77MHz IBM PC'

05:50:00 *: asciilifeform a fan of the 'handbook'

05:50:09 BingoBoingo: I really dunno who isn't

05:50:18 *: asciilifeform reluctant to show it to modern folks on account of 'so you must like winblows then, aha'

05:50:38 ben_vulpes: v -> w -> x

05:50:41 ben_vulpes: really?

05:50:42 kakobrekla: ddos cuts after 30min

05:50:57 BingoBoingo: I spread it around at library school. The Linux people liked it. The system Z and Mac people who though Mac was *nix hated it

05:51:13 BingoBoingo: The windows folk just weren't people

05:51:15 mikaeldice: I reinstalled Windows as a dual boot after a couple years of solely Debian so I could play a game.. It felt dirty.

05:52:02 BingoBoingo: mikaeldice: I run a windows instance as a game console, no shame as long as you protect the rest of the internet from it

05:52:21 mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> ddos cuts after 30min << yeah, cheapo least effort sorta thing

05:52:39 kakobrekla: yup

05:53:05 asciilifeform: cheapo least effort << think this way: there are not many chumpnets that can be sliced into N slices (one for each of us, 24/7) and still be of any use.

05:53:09 asciilifeform: so gotta take turns.

05:58:42 ben_vulpes: could one spam the spammorz? flood the channel with reasonable-ish nicks?

05:59:24 kakobrekla: could as well be unreasonable.

05:59:30 *: ben_vulpes shrugs

05:59:37 ben_vulpes: flood the channel with connections?

05:59:41 kakobrekla: as i displayed earlier

05:59:54 *: ben_vulpes is only sort of paying attention over here

05:59:59 ben_vulpes: other irons

06:01:04 kakobrekla: well, allow me to enlighten you

06:01:04 kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-11-2014#935196

06:01:04 assbot: Logged on 26-11-2014 05:17:50; BingoBoingo: !up hiddosme

06:01:09 kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-11-2014#935203

06:01:09 assbot: Logged on 26-11-2014 05:25:02; kakobrekla: peaked at about 1.2gbps

06:01:29 ben_vulpes: well there you have it

06:01:50 kakobrekla: but my guess is it works single threaded.

06:03:07 kakobrekla: someone with a fat pipe, rejoin every 30 min, problem fixed

06:04:06 ben_vulpes: ;;ident mod6

06:04:06 gribble: Nick 'mod6', with hostmask 'mod6!03e884ed7a@rider.us', is identified as user 'mod6', with GPG key id 721705A8B71EADAF, key fingerprint 027A8D7C0FB8A16643720F40721705A8B71EADAF, and bitcoin address None

06:04:19 ben_vulpes: ;;ident

06:04:19 gribble: Nick 'ben_vulpes', with hostmask 'ben_vulpes!~user@unaffiliated/benkay', is identified as user 'ben_vulpes', with GPG key id 2AFA1A9FD2D031DA, key fingerprint 4F7907942CA8B89B01E25A762AFA1A9FD2D031DA, and bitcoin address None

06:06:56 ben_vulpes: hola punkman

06:07:16 mircea_popescu: lol

06:07:23 mircea_popescu: ;;seen peterl

06:07:24 gribble: peterl was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 days, 2 hours, 30 minutes, and 11 seconds ago: <PeterL> Like you said, you can own a small piece, but nobody owns the whole thing

06:07:28 mircea_popescu: ;;seen scoopbot

06:07:28 gribble: scoopbot was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 5 days, 0 hours, 30 minutes, and 57 seconds ago: <scoopbot> New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2014/11/isis-introduces-coins/

06:07:43 ben_vulpes: whatsa deal with the notary?

06:07:44 mircea_popescu: soooo... who wants to make an actual scoopbot ?

06:07:54 punkman: ben_vulpes: it needs hosting

06:07:56 mircea_popescu: punkman yeah waht was that hack all about ?

06:08:06 mircea_popescu: what do you need, to host it ?

06:08:10 ben_vulpes: what was the story on the hack?

06:08:10 punkman: I got no idea, didn't find anything

06:08:20 mircea_popescu: ugh so then how did it happen ?

06:08:28 ben_vulpes: what was the result of the hack? flood from your IP?

06:09:09 punkman: again, no idea. Hetzner sent email about kako's digitalocean instance. supposedly some network scan/attack originating from it.

06:09:25 mircea_popescu: is that the only indication ?

06:09:27 ben_vulpes: but db intact, btc safe

06:09:38 ben_vulpes: gpg keyring unmolested

06:09:51 punkman: yep

06:10:00 ben_vulpes: were you doing full backups for comparison?

06:10:03 mircea_popescu: ah so forgetr it then, they're idiots.

06:10:12 punkman: mircea_popescu: well the b/w logs etc supported the theory

06:10:13 kakobrekla: it could be someone fucked up the incoming and outgoing traffic again. would not be the first time. not even the second. probably not even the third. in a month.

06:10:13 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu lol shooting from the hip

06:10:19 mircea_popescu: punkman so what do you need to host it ? an aws ? or what ?

06:10:55 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes he is literally correct incidentally. we have email where "isp expert" confused the incoming with the outgoing

06:11:33 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker

06:11:36 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 377.0, Best ask: 377.48, Bid-ask spread: 0.48000, Last trade: 377.0, 24 hour volume: 14510.97122213, 24 hour low: 371.0, 24 hour high: 395.11, 24 hour vwap: 0

06:11:59 punkman: mircea_popescu: well someone could further inspect the supposedly "hacked" instance, can keep using that

06:12:30 mircea_popescu: i don't care what you use, but it's not online is the problem.

06:13:39 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: He prolly ate them. << lawl.

06:13:40 kakobrekla: this thing is a ba subdomain, its 'hot'. not for do. needs a different home.

06:14:12 mircea_popescu: ah. yeah makes sense. "least effort hosting" specialists.

06:14:49 kakobrekla: well its ok if you dont plan to offend the idiots. at least too much.

06:14:53 mircea_popescu: punkman do you have any providers you like ?

06:15:13 punkman: mircea_popescu: not really

06:16:01 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla im kinda against giving any money to "least effort" sorta providers, because it narrows the pie for the legitimate guys. if i want 10 items of which one is rare, i WILL NOT buy the 10 from any of the shops that don't carry the 10th. that way that guy gets some nice business and the idiots get a valuable signal.

06:16:28 mircea_popescu: punkman what do you need to run it, root on linux ?

06:16:44 mircea_popescu: if you can live with a cpanel account i can spin you one up rightnao.

06:17:20 punkman: don't need root, except for binding HTTP server to :80

06:17:35 mircea_popescu: lol. okay, what's the domain ?

06:17:51 mircea_popescu: or did it even have one ?

06:18:09 mircea_popescu: !up ShaneDCC

06:18:11 punkman: deeds.bitcoin-assets.com ?

06:18:16 mircea_popescu: punkman aite brb

06:19:32 mircea_popescu: punkman pm me an email.

06:19:49 punkman: ben_vulpes: someone actually emailed *me* about the deeds site being down << is the foundation getting fan mail already?

06:21:10 ben_vulpes: yes actually.

06:21:16 ben_vulpes: not gpg signed, but w/e.

06:21:30 kakobrekla: mircea_popescu it just has to do with the fact they are very over provisioned

06:21:40 kakobrekla: for some things this is ok

06:21:46 kakobrekla: for serious things its not

06:21:53 kakobrekla: basta cosi

06:22:28 mircea_popescu: punkman deed http://pastebin.com/et7WFdLZ

06:22:30 assbot: -----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) hQIMAwyIh9yLf - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1zWNq5c )

06:22:55 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla you mean oversold ?

06:23:05 mircea_popescu: but yeah, i know what you're sayin'.

06:27:58 BingoBoingo: Another PD car down http://www.kmov.com/special-coverage-001/Demonstrations-continue-around-St-Louis-in-protest-of-grand-jury-decision-283921341.html

06:28:00 assbot: Patrol car set on fire, rocks thrown at City Hall in second night of protests | KMOV.com St. Louis ... ( http://bit.ly/1vM2cxK )

06:28:37 *: BingoBoingo wonder why still civil unrest in Ferguson and not CLayton or Town and Country.

06:28:46 BingoBoingo: Even Maryland Heights.

06:29:05 BingoBoingo: No, civil unrest in Ferguson and Dellwood again.

06:29:45 mircea_popescu: what they're still going ?

06:31:02 BingoBoingo: Well, they paused for daylight.

06:31:13 mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic: I was kind of wondering about it recently, it could make sense <<< i said i suspected so, now he's haunting me with it.

06:31:19 BingoBoingo: Less stuff to burn tonight, but still ongoing

06:32:00 ben_vulpes: any suggestions on openbsd hosting?

06:32:12 BingoBoingo: The "city" they were in as understood by a poor american is gone, but...

06:32:23 BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: physical box, cheap rack

06:32:39 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: usg ships afghani opium directly into ru. <<< opium wars 2.0 ?

06:32:56 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes generally, get a dedicated/colocated box, run w/e.

06:33:08 BingoBoingo: Virtualizing OpenBSD is still not very pleasant or economical compared to colo-rack with boxen

06:34:04 BingoBoingo: OpenBSD is slowly getting better at tolerating VMware and Qemu, but devs still primalirly target Iron

06:34:37 ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: you capitalize like a german.

06:35:20 ben_vulpes: and maybe i can justify some steel and a rack for 2015.

06:35:22 BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: I grew up in a town that is white, but Kraut rather than Anglo trash

06:35:50 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: literally, piles << quite. for a while in the 90s the way to get a cessna or local clone was to go to the pile.

06:35:57 mircea_popescu: if you could make it work it was yours.

06:36:11 *: BingoBoingo thought about moving thedrinkingrecord.com to dedicated hardware, but probably leaching Dreamhost forever so DDoS is their problem

06:36:59 *: BingoBoingo reminds now that I have not flown ON an aeroplane much less flown an aeroplane

06:38:02 mircea_popescu: o.O

06:38:38 *: BingoBoingo reminds exploring the Darien as a land route to freedom...

06:39:12 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: have to understand, jet fighter is not really a complete machine. it is a tentacle of the larger industrial slave empire which produced and employed it. much like your finger cannot function for long or very usefully unless attached to the rest of you << so very aptly put.

06:39:17 BingoBoingo: I'll prolly ust wait until I can buy a fucking blue water capable boat though

06:39:38 ben_vulpes: ;;gettrust mrjr

06:39:38 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user ben_vulpes to user mrjr: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=ben_vulpes&dest=mrjr | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mrjr | Rated since: never

06:39:56 ben_vulpes: lol well drivebys are drivebys

06:41:51 ben_vulpes: http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=310

06:41:52 assbot: #bitcoin-assets bash ... ( http://bit.ly/1vM4bCb )

06:42:00 ben_vulpes: haw

06:44:12 mircea_popescu: lol dat bash

06:45:00 ben_vulpes: .butts is an excellent tld and serenissima.butts would be too perfect i say again

06:45:14 mircea_popescu: why not .ba

06:45:24 ben_vulpes: so conventional!

06:45:42 mircea_popescu: anyway, im not spending a million dollars to buy into what's fundamentally a dead tech.

06:45:53 mircea_popescu: i'd rather buy 1mn dollars' worth of betamax gear.

06:46:21 ben_vulpes: ba's just so tightly bound to this particular irc instantiation

06:47:10 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: But the best videos are on Betamax

06:47:15 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo ikr ?

06:47:24 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i sersiouly see more future for irc than for the web.

06:48:03 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I mean Betamax has more porn with white girls who want to do pron.

06:48:13 mircea_popescu: i dunno.

06:48:24 mircea_popescu: porn of the period is ridiculous fail.

06:49:35 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: How is it fail. They do porn. You get off. They try not porn at all, you recover, and then they do porn again.

06:49:55 mircea_popescu: any clits on betamax ?

06:50:16 BingoBoingo: Sure, under the bush

06:50:26 mircea_popescu: my point.

06:50:39 mircea_popescu: i dunno how i could fuck an 80s woman without a three week prep course.

06:51:07 ben_vulpes: for her or you?

06:51:17 *: BingoBoingo had a girlfriend in High School who routinely wore shoulder pads

06:51:32 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes for her.

06:51:45 mircea_popescu: they've not yet invented "forgetness education"

06:51:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 27 @ 0.0994545 = 2.6853 BTC [+] {5}

06:52:29 ben_vulpes: <Vexual> here we go, it;s 20yearmoney to tell u sabout growth << some days i really can't tell if markov

06:53:22 BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: If you want true markov revelations, you really need to give templeOS a spin

06:53:49 ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> (moreover my point was that growing shit is taking care of the small problem, most of your energetic needs aren't "what to eat") << so seaweed in giant nets?

06:54:09 mircea_popescu: what if no seaweeds ? what if "seaweeed tax" introduced ? etc.

06:54:15 ben_vulpes: holy shit how am i still 1k under

06:54:22 mircea_popescu: 1k under what.

06:54:29 ben_vulpes: log lines

06:55:30 mircea_popescu: im almost caught up myself.

06:55:33 ben_vulpes: what sort of scenario leads to no seaweeds? could one not grow them oneself? and who's to tax the tiny barge floating many many miles from nowhere?

06:55:47 ben_vulpes: well you don't have a job anymore that's unfair and i'm going to call the communists on you

06:56:03 mircea_popescu: by the way, the dark meadow is probably the best ipad game ever made. it's so good in fact it's definitely giving the platform a reason to exist.

06:56:08 mircea_popescu: this is the first time

07:00:11 *: BingoBoingo knows exactly why he exists, because 11kg bird and pre-Thanksgiving family fracture. I am going to up on 15lbs of weight in under an hour

07:01:46 *: BingoBoingo offers 15lb figure based on an estimation that anything less than twice the bird's weight in stuffing is jsut impolite.

07:01:53 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: (not a misprint! there were once intelligent, educated woman programmers in usa. but when the profession became 'blue collar' - akin to, e.g., cement mixer operator - they mostly disappeared.) << chetty being one of them.

07:03:44 mircea_popescu: http://rachelbythebay.com/w/2011/06/04/fireandforget/ << why exactly does any of this have anything to do with sexism, discrimination or gender ?

07:03:45 assbot: Fire and forget, or sexism in software engineering ... ( http://bit.ly/11u19of )

07:04:03 mircea_popescu: idiot manager. no further explanation necessary.

07:05:27 mircea_popescu: undata: which runs counter to the point of hiring her << fwiw my read is exactly opposite. chick was fine, dude was inept.

07:05:43 mircea_popescu: you seriously can't tell me one walk every coupla weeks is overcommunicating.

07:06:24 mircea_popescu: fuck, back in the day if guys didn't hear a "walk with me" for a week or two straight they'd start worried they got fired and everyone forgot to tell em.

07:07:21 ben_vulpes: ^^

07:08:08 ben_vulpes: i do this with walks to the coffee shop

07:08:28 *: BingoBoingo offers that aluminum filings do a lot to stiffen up concrete

07:08:46 ben_vulpes: also firing decisions get made on day n and executed on n+1, but i understand that this is far more rigorous than my 'peers' could ever imagine pulling off.

07:08:55 ben_vulpes: because...raised by single mothers i guess.

07:09:39 fluffypony: fuck labour law

07:09:40 ben_vulpes: <babbys_first_bit> fraudsters and the convalex << lol convalexent

07:09:55 ben_vulpes: fluffypony: what does labor law have to do with anything?

07:10:05 fluffypony: I have to give my domestic worker a written warning today for washing (and screwing up) leather pillows

07:10:21 fluffypony: because the Basic Conditions of Employment Act won't let me fire her on the spot for that

07:10:36 ben_vulpes: your fault for hiring her officially i guess.

07:10:42 fluffypony: you don't have a choice

07:10:52 fluffypony: the BCEA says that she's an employee even without a contract

07:10:52 ben_vulpes: no, *you* don't have a choice.

07:11:17 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: real question is whether mr o actually drinks the 'kool aid' re: riots being 'popular anger', or merely pretends to. <<< fwiw, i also happen to think they're based on popular anger.

07:11:24 mircea_popescu: just, not the sort of anger they like to ee there.

07:11:58 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes afaik that's standard practice.

07:12:20 mircea_popescu: fluffypony aahahhaha gtfo.

07:12:25 mircea_popescu: why live in a country you can't fire the help

07:12:26 *: BingoBoingo actually thnks Micheal Moore circa 2005 was right, anger is mistargeted geographically

07:12:33 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: because the help is cheap :-P

07:12:38 mircea_popescu: how cheap ?

07:12:50 fluffypony: we pay her $13 a day

07:13:00 mircea_popescu: ok, that's cheap.

07:13:02 ben_vulpes: ah come man

07:13:06 mircea_popescu: course... how much were the leather pillows ?

07:13:09 ben_vulpes: you've invested more in training.

07:13:10 fluffypony: yeah and we're paying more than our neighbours

07:13:21 fluffypony: about $150 each

07:13:28 mircea_popescu: tbh, i wouldn't fire a 13 a day woman that fucked up something through not having a clue.

07:13:39 fluffypony: well that's the thing, she didn't know better

07:13:45 fluffypony: so a written warning should fix that going forward

07:13:49 mircea_popescu: yeah, srsly. fuck the act, why do you want to fire her.

07:14:08 ben_vulpes: fluffypony wants to complain about socialism

07:14:12 fluffypony: I don't - but having to write the warning down and get her to sign it irritates me

07:14:16 ben_vulpes: "mu labur"

07:14:20 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes if he does it backfired lol

07:14:28 mircea_popescu: fluffypony why lol

07:14:34 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: laziness :-P

07:14:44 mircea_popescu: eh get out, be the master you wish to see in the world.

07:14:53 fluffypony: I am the master of my own laziness

07:14:58 undata: fluffypony: take the massive discount you're getting on her standard of living and get another pillow

07:14:58 mircea_popescu: lol

07:15:02 ben_vulpes: dude if you have multi hundo pillows you gotta instruct the staff w/r/t caretaking

07:15:10 undata: then say "if you aren't sure whether something can be washed, ask me"

07:15:12 undata: solved?

07:15:17 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes he's new at this entire being rich thing.

07:15:25 fluffypony: heh heh

07:15:28 mircea_popescu: lol

07:15:31 ben_vulpes: lol 13 dollar a day help is rich nao?

07:15:37 ben_vulpes: in south africa?

07:15:40 mircea_popescu: hey, you pay going rate, what.

07:15:41 *: fluffypony is rolling in the deep

07:16:23 mircea_popescu: so anyone invited rachel by the bay over here yet ?

07:16:26 ben_vulpes: undata: get it all derployed?

07:17:23 mircea_popescu: decimation: how does usg so utterly dominate the masses? <<< you can't be serious ?

07:17:29 ben_vulpes: <babbys_first_bit> "ARMORY BACKUP FOR EXTREME BITCOIN WEALTH" << lol get this character back in here

07:17:29 undata: ben_vulpes: yep, nothing broke. fiddling with http-kit atm

07:17:37 ben_vulpes: DITCH IT DRINK BUBBLES

07:17:39 mircea_popescu: "the masses" exist thermodynamically because the government is giving them free stuff.

07:17:42 mircea_popescu: what "rebel"

07:17:57 ben_vulpes: nah fuggit's too late.

07:18:06 fluffypony: is 9am too early for beer?

07:18:08 ben_vulpes: plus there's not enough of this bottle left to properly share.

07:18:13 ben_vulpes: fluffypony: HELL NO

07:18:38 BingoBoingo: fluffypony: Never too early for beer. If you want to put a serious offer in on a butler though...

07:18:41 ben_vulpes: i mean if you're willing to drink that gut ruining obesity inducing shit

07:18:45 punkman: wine's better in the early hours

07:18:50 BingoBoingo: ^

07:18:57 BingoBoingo: Vodka forever

07:18:58 ben_vulpes: wine is just better.

07:18:59 ben_vulpes: always.

07:19:13 undata: I prefer wine, cider, or liquor

07:19:17 BingoBoingo: ANd by vodka I mean grain alcohol + Distilled water

07:19:27 fluffypony: I only have red wine, and that's more an evening thing

07:19:28 ben_vulpes: undata: american cider is just fortified fruit juice.

07:19:33 BingoBoingo: BEst to mix one's own vodka

07:19:45 ben_vulpes: scrumpy tho

07:20:02 undata: ben_vulpes: this reverend nats is 6.9%, not too bad

07:20:24 ben_vulpes: residual sugars: rotyourteeth%

07:21:32 ben_vulpes: <babbys_first_bit> Why haven't the devs or the general userbase demanded we switch from BTC to micro BTC or whatever << okay okay i repent

07:23:15 *: fluffypony demands it

07:23:18 fluffypony: demand all of the things

07:23:33 ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> this is a top reptilian priority. << this lizard hitler thing requires too much competence to be plausible. i prefer by miles and acres the "bureaucracy controlled by their enemies" interpretation.

07:25:21 mircea_popescu: !up supay

07:25:34 ben_vulpes: oh a wild recruiter

07:25:44 ben_vulpes: and supay

07:25:50 mircea_popescu: who's supay ?

07:25:57 ben_vulpes: fuck if i know

07:26:43 supay: lol

07:26:47 supay: thanks mircea_popescu :)

07:26:57 ben_vulpes: lol http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-05-2014#654187

07:26:57 assbot: Logged on 01-05-2014 22:07:24; supay: gee thanks benkay!

07:27:00 ben_vulpes: ;;rated supay

07:27:01 gribble: You have not yet rated user supay

07:27:04 supay: i was wondering what is the speculation of the price per bitcoin by the end of the year

07:27:16 mircea_popescu: ;;google bitcoin-assets rules and regulations

07:27:17 ben_vulpes: gribble your state messages are totally stale

07:27:17 gribble: IRS Notice 2014-21 - Internal Revenue Service: http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-drop/n-14-21.pdf; Is bitcoin legal? - CoinDesk: http://www.coindesk.com/information/is-bitcoin-legal/; New York Proposes Bitcoin Regulations | Money.com - Time: http://time.com/money/3004751/new-york-bitcoin-regulations-benjamin-lawsky/

07:27:22 mircea_popescu: orly.

07:27:42 ben_vulpes: is bitcoin legal?

07:27:44 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2013/bitcoin-assets-rules-and-regulations/

07:27:45 assbot: #bitcoin-assets rules and regulations pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1HFrr8a )

07:27:48 *: ben_vulpes blinks, rubs eyes.

07:28:44 supay: nobody?

07:28:57 supay: i dont think it can reach the $10,000 mark, not just yet

07:29:00 mircea_popescu: supay read that, come back when you get the idea.

07:29:03 mircea_popescu: !down supay

07:30:37 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: usg choppers were supposedly fired upon during 'katrina' << not supposedly. actual fact.

07:30:51 mircea_popescu: which is what i mean by "anger" earlier. yea, anger. just, not the sort people talking of it would like to presume.

07:33:37 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: derpy? i mean culty. <<< dude you may be the only head of a foundation that says such things.

07:33:49 mircea_popescu: "oh you know, our derpy united nations thing"

07:33:54 mircea_popescu: and how wildly appropriate'd it be!

07:34:28 ben_vulpes: i eagerly wake every morning looking for reality to disprove my assumptions and contestations.

07:34:52 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform re conductive cloth : easy cheap and pleasant anti-taser pill. watch the operator /whould police tough man get 3rd degree bunrs ? win.

07:34:58 ben_vulpes: too many days without a rude correction and i start to worry i'm deep in delusion.

07:35:17 ben_vulpes: by the by, what's your beef with sara sharp?

07:36:04 mircea_popescu: shiiit, i caught up on the logs! WOW.

07:36:08 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes who ?

07:36:53 ben_vulpes: !s sarah sharp

07:36:54 assbot: 1 results for 'sarah sharp' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=sarah+sharp

07:37:02 ben_vulpes: there are even fraudsters references

07:38:24 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes derpy anon chick with no contributions or redeeming qualities, woke up talking one day about torvalds. the old libtard story about how "words are bad mkay"

07:38:37 mircea_popescu: no beef per se.

07:38:53 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2013/bitcoin-assets-rules-and-regulations/#footnote_2_49047 << pretty much the whole story./

07:38:54 assbot: #bitcoin-assets rules and regulations pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1HFrXTt )

07:39:06 *: ben_vulpes fumbles for cock joke, is tired and chewing through logs, gives up

07:39:15 mircea_popescu: !up maustrapper

07:39:21 mircea_popescu: ;;isup log.bitcoin-assets.com

07:39:25 gribble: log.bitcoin-assets.com is down

07:39:28 mircea_popescu: lol

07:39:37 kakobrekla: what, it aint related

07:40:32 ben_vulpes: nonsense.

07:40:39 mircea_popescu: huh ?

07:40:47 ben_vulpes: up for me

07:41:08 kakobrekla: yea

07:41:44 mircea_popescu: so apparently there's two lobes of the internets.

07:41:55 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu gets speshul attacks.

07:48:10 mircea_popescu: http://rachelbythebay.com/w/2013/02/22/mac/ << this is actually an excellent piece.

07:48:11 assbot: I mortgaged my future with a Mac ... ( http://bit.ly/1HFsoNA )

07:48:32 mircea_popescu: With all of my music on there, suddenly I no longer needed to fight with whatever screwball music player was on my Linux box at the office. I just moved my headphones over to my laptop and kept them there. iTunes took over my music playing needs.

07:48:32 mircea_popescu: That's pretty much how it went. Soon, I found myself sitting on the couch at home chatting with people from the laptop instead of sitting at my desk where the "real" computer (Linux box) was. It slowly wormed its way into my life, and before long, I was using it to browse my usual haunts

07:48:36 mircea_popescu: that's EXACTLY what the plan is.

07:48:47 ben_vulpes: blech

07:49:04 ben_vulpes: if you have the opportunity to purchase "portuga" a wine from "lisboa" - don't

07:49:08 ben_vulpes: "wine"

07:50:49 mircea_popescu: !up hiddosme

07:51:38 ben_vulpes: All I ever did with it was run Firefox and ssh around to actually do work on "real" machines << this is where my workflow's going

07:54:34 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes which is why all the nsa effort put into hijacking this particular workflow, five years ago.

07:58:05 kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-11-2014#935270 < no cigar, bugger jumps ships on new joins.

07:58:05 assbot: Logged on 26-11-2014 06:03:07; kakobrekla: someone with a fat pipe, rejoin every 30 min, problem fixed

07:58:38 mircea_popescu: so do a protective rejoin.

07:58:55 mircea_popescu: "As you can see, I mortgaged my future. Instead of staying with my wonky-but-free ways of doing things, I shifted all of my stuff over to the Mac. It gladly embraced all of it and jealously took it in, never to give it back. Now when I want to get back out, I have to do all of the work I thought I had managed to avoid by using a Mac in the first place." << WORD.

07:59:24 mircea_popescu: "all the work usg agents are saving you ? it's work you still have to do. they're just persuasively and pervasively lying about it, while it collects interest undone."

08:00:04 kakobrekla: right now im going to do body {position: horizontal;}

08:00:21 kakobrekla: that not even valid

08:00:25 kakobrekla: whatever.

08:00:57 mircea_popescu: lol. nn.

08:00:59 ben_vulpes: fuck a css

08:01:36 ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> a greybeard and squad of monkeys parts them out, maintaining the handful in some semblance of working order. << it was either the monkeysquad or computers for me

08:02:03 ben_vulpes: managing a family of bolts in Musk's Rocket just didn't charm me.

08:03:17 ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> diphenhydramine << iirc, snips off stage 4. no thx << when in catastrophic sleep fucked uppedness, stage 4 not really a big deal so much as just getting some damn sleep.

08:04:06 ben_vulpes: dub: are you at least using amphetamines?

08:05:28 mircea_popescu: http://nithgrim.wordpress.com/2014/10/21/the-web-of-dependency/ < "This is the kind of thing Ivan Illich wrote about all the time, and it?s still happening today, to you. With the convenience of frozen dinners and restaurant meals, one quickly loses the knack for preparing food."

08:05:30 assbot: The web of dependency | nydwracu niþgrim, nihtbealwa mæst ... ( http://bit.ly/1HFtkl8 )

08:05:32 ben_vulpes: <undata> bah! hearsay! << hearsay and heresy

08:05:38 mircea_popescu: this is fucking nonsense of the prime order. how come im unaffected ?

08:06:08 mircea_popescu: "with the convenien ce of jacking off, one quickly loses the ability to pick up" ? something like that ?

08:06:38 mircea_popescu: hint : it depends on the one. of course primitive fucktards in the amzon will keel over for any westerner. so they should, they're not human, they're junk.

08:06:39 ben_vulpes: ;;later tell xanthyos until you share those photos you're a goddamn scammer

08:06:39 gribble: The operation succeeded.

08:06:46 mircea_popescu: that same process does not carry when actual humans are involved.

08:07:01 ben_vulpes: oh and just who is fred then?

08:07:06 mircea_popescu: the romans "conquered" the greeks and then a century later the toga was replaced by greek habits. herpity derp.

08:07:58 ben_vulpes: surely just a fictional character.

08:08:56 mircea_popescu: "Another example: the replacement of folk culture (decentralized/distributed, varying and variable, illegible to bureaucracies, difficult to control) with mass culture (centralized, impossible to edit, bureaucratic, easy to control) ? less effortful and allowing for much higher production values and potentially much more talent, but in practice, buying in tends to mean letting your enemies put thoughts into your head

08:08:56 mircea_popescu: ." << this is like the power of the press. it's "impossible to edit" for as long as you're not editing it.

08:09:25 mircea_popescu: meanwhile if you do edit it you end up with fraudsters. which IS impossible to control, nearly illegible to bureaucrats yet immensely powerful.

08:09:41 mircea_popescu: good approach to keeping a blog these days : edit mass culture.

08:10:01 mircea_popescu: proceed from a folk paradigm, you're a trubadour of the 1300s. edit that bitch. retell it.

08:30:37 ben_vulpes: http://nodeps.shithouse.tv/

08:30:37 assbot: nodeps ... ( http://bit.ly/1HFuzRi )

08:31:19 ben_vulpes: ahahaha i think i'm logged up

08:31:20 ben_vulpes: SUCKERS

08:31:31 ben_vulpes: seriously how do you fuckers keep up with these heavy days

08:32:07 ben_vulpes: dat feel when you start seeing your own lines in the log from today

08:33:05 ben_vulpes: <decimation> asciilifeform: yeah, that plus usg has generally used the power of printed dollars to make it such that most people don't pay taxes, making compliance a non-issue << wat

08:33:36 ben_vulpes: ;;later tell decimation please for to explain to retards like me "asciilifeform: yeah, that plus usg has generally used the power of printed dollars to make it such that most people don't pay taxes, making compliance a non-issue"

08:33:36 gribble: The operation succeeded.

08:36:11 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes> dat feel when you start seeing your own lines in the log from today << srsly.

08:38:43 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: re "fundation", good artists steal etc http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2013#120176

08:38:43 assbot: Logged on 03-07-2013 19:32:03; mircea_popescu: the jig is up!

08:40:44 ben_vulpes: <BingoBoingo> asciilifeform: Now that I've realized it some months ago I can't forget stumbling into loper well before stumbling into BTC << myself as well, but on the topics of lisp

08:40:56 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes what am i not getting here

08:41:04 ben_vulpes: gotta say, set me up well for the drudgery of programming.

08:41:27 ben_vulpes: can't quite agree that programmering is any worse than laboring on/in the production lines though.

08:42:26 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: ah shit that was the am link

08:43:14 mircea_popescu: lol turns out asciilifeform is more responsible for the cult than i.

08:44:37 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2012/let-me-show-you-why-i-like-bitcoin/

08:44:38 assbot: Let me show you why I like Bitcoin pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1HFvdy9 )

08:44:48 ben_vulpes: mthreat: log search does not extend to 2012

08:44:56 ben_vulpes: things that need doing:

08:45:00 ben_vulpes: - scoopbot

08:45:10 ben_vulpes: - deedbot

08:45:14 ben_vulpes: - searchthinger

08:45:23 ben_vulpes: deedbot is written

08:45:28 ben_vulpes: scoopbot is written

08:45:46 mircea_popescu: from what i recall mthreat had an open call for logs, got something, and that's what's up there.

08:45:48 ben_vulpes: searchthinger is a matter of dumping logs into postgres and indexing for fulltext search.

08:45:57 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: well where are yours then?

08:46:12 mircea_popescu: where are my what ?

08:46:39 ben_vulpes: your logs backing that fraudsters post

08:46:55 mircea_popescu: my logs didn't get included in there because i only log when im on obviously, and that's kinda hole-y.

08:47:16 *: ben_vulpes refuses the bait

08:47:22 mircea_popescu: oh oh i see what you mean lol

08:47:48 mircea_popescu: itreallyhappened(tm)

08:47:56 ben_vulpes: suuuuuuuure.

08:48:15 ben_vulpes:

08:48:27 ben_vulpes: http://tm.shithouse.tv/ << for future reference

08:48:28 assbot: ™ ... ( http://bit.ly/1HFvr8H )

08:49:15 ben_vulpes: k well with that adieu fair sirs

08:49:22 mircea_popescu: enjoy.

09:42:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52150 @ 0.00040872 = 21.3147 BTC [+] {3}

10:24:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56300 @ 0.00040383 = 22.7356 BTC [-]

10:25:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1665 @ 0.001245 = 2.0729 BTC [-] {2}

10:27:41 mircea_popescu: "a new kind of proof: Proof of Faucet"

10:34:01 cazalla: !up mediaDCC

10:41:55 adlai: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/dd/Moka_Animation.gif

10:41:57 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cf0V5b )

10:42:56 adlai: good morning freenode

10:45:04 adlai: yknow lispland isn't all harmonious satori: http://ergoemacs.org/emacs/elisp_common_lisp_in_emacs.html

10:45:05 assbot: Controversy of Common Lisp Package in Emacs Lisp ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cf1QCP )

10:46:47 adlai: discuss: who is further afield, xahlee or losethos?

11:07:36 *: adlai stares for a few minutes at altcoin charts, trying to figure out how people can still be so stupid

11:11:19 adlai: http://www.truthcoin.info/blog/altcoins-are-not-coins/ <- somebody (obviously not me, ain't nobody got time for this) should back this up with some of them colorful utxo age "info"graphics

11:11:20 assbot: Altcoins Aren't Money, They're Bitcoin's Casino | Truthcoin: Trustless P2P Prediction Marketplace ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cf975C )

11:12:06 adlai: it'd be nice to compare those graphs between the dead (samecoin?) and dying (gonero?)

11:23:47 fluffypony: lol gonero, haven't heard that one before

11:25:16 punkman: 70% down since I sold all my xmr, good call

11:26:29 punkman: fluffypony: anything going on in the secret monero research labs?

11:26:42 fluffypony: punkman: we had a mini conference when I was in the USA

11:26:51 fluffypony: lots of interesting stuff on the boil

11:27:05 fluffypony: I wrote about the three main things we bounced around a couple of Missives ago

11:28:44 adlai: gonero, noun: early 21st century: via late Latin from Greek gonorrhoia, from γονος ‘semen’ + ροια ‘flux.’

11:30:45 punkman: http://www.truthcoin.info/images/sidechains.png < lol did he just photoshop electrum img

11:30:46 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1CfevWp )

11:31:12 punkman: err, blockstream

11:32:10 punkman: "altcoins are a lie, here's my altcoin"

11:40:31 adlai: sidechains aren't an altcoin, they're just a way to burn bitcoin faster

11:42:31 adlai: on-sidechain bitcoin can't be accepted in place of on-homechain bitcoin without a significant amount of sufficiently advanced technology... although I guess at some point people will start building it

11:43:37 adlai: truthcoin is a terrible name for his project, it sounds like a coin for 9/11 truthers

12:06:34 mircea_popescu: !up Ginux_

12:06:56 mircea_popescu: !up saifedean

12:07:12 mircea_popescu: is gonero based on proof of fucks ?

12:07:39 saifedean: good day everyone

12:07:45 mircea_popescu: hey there.

12:08:15 mircea_popescu: i made myself lamb wellington in your honor.

12:08:44 saifedean: well done! how did it come out?

12:08:49 mircea_popescu: splendid.

12:09:35 mircea_popescu: (local lout came up with "o, this is basically liver calzone, except the dough's crumblier". the ignorance i have to put up with!(

12:10:14 saifedean: serves you right for ruining a perfectly good bit of lamb with sacrilegious dough!

12:10:52 mircea_popescu: the dough is integral. it makes the meat softbake in steam.

12:11:05 mircea_popescu: it's like, steambaked tenderlon.

12:11:37 saifedean: yes, but with good grilling techniques, you don't need the dough... you're in argentina, get someone to build you a proper chulengo

12:11:58 saifedean: then you can grill on low heat coals and close the lid

12:12:06 mircea_popescu: what, an airtight chulengo ?

12:12:14 mircea_popescu: pressure matters.

12:13:19 saifedean: we need to have a proper grilling discussion over fire... possible in the next 2 months if i manage to swing by BA

12:13:23 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: qntra << lol, it's almost at the level of my own obscure site now. << actually, alexa thinks it's bigger. http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/qntra.net http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/loper-os.org for what (very little) that's worth.

12:13:24 assbot: qntra.net Site Overview ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cfrg34 )

12:13:25 assbot: loper-os.org Site Overview ... ( http://bit.ly/1CfriYR )

12:13:36 mircea_popescu: baking != grilling

12:13:50 mircea_popescu: !up Mantrid

12:14:01 saifedean: baking is grilling for women :D

12:14:08 mircea_popescu: indeed.

12:14:46 saifedean: so you folks were discussing Isis and I tried to chime in but it wasn't working...

12:14:52 saifedean: internet troubles

12:15:02 mircea_popescu: not "internet troubles".

12:15:06 mircea_popescu: some derp was in here ddosing noobs.

12:15:18 mircea_popescu: told you to get a cloak like 5x. this'd be the sort of reason why.

12:15:58 saifedean: i tried getting a cloak, but it doesnt work from webchat. I downloaded two irc clients, but neither of them really works for whatever reason

12:16:11 mircea_popescu: lol the blessings of technology

12:16:34 mircea_popescu: anyway, it should work from webchat just as well, provided you've registered the name.

12:17:00 saifedean: I did register the name but the folks at freenode kept telling me a cloak wont work from webchat...

12:17:17 mircea_popescu: ah well then they proll know best ?

12:17:42 saifedean: my theory of isis is that they're better understood not as islamic fundamentalists, but as a byproduct of a socialist regime and diversity

12:18:16 saifedean: anywhere socialism goes, it spreads destruction and death... but when it goes to places with significant population diversity, it must also start civil wars

12:18:29 mircea_popescu: hm

12:19:02 saifedean: for all the scaremongering about the evils of isis, they are still a tiny little sliver of what the glorious socialist regime of syria has achieved

12:19:03 mircea_popescu: to me it just looks like normal nationbuilding. same shit that happened in yugoslavia. same shit really that happened in every nation, except the westerners were quicker with it.

12:19:52 saifedean: wherein socialism was nation-destruction...

12:20:50 mircea_popescu: i dunno. the larger parts of isis are not actually nationally represented in the extant european-sponsored map of the region.

12:20:51 saifedean: well, empires and city-states were a much better workable model for everyone, westerners and occidentals,

12:21:13 mircea_popescu: no kurdish state, for instance.

12:21:34 saifedean: then the british decided to rule the world and found that spreading socialism and democracy is the ideal way to do so... first, give foreigners glorious revolution, then rule over the rubble

12:22:08 saifedean: if you folks haven't, you must check out the work of Antony Sutton, particularly about the Bolshevik Revolution

12:22:53 mircea_popescu: i think the pernicious influence of british "ideas" is well understood here lol.

12:22:55 saifedean: this is the 'Bruce Willis was dead all along" a-ha moment of twentieth century history. The Bolsheviks simply worked for the British and American banks, to bring down the Romanovs and destroy Russia

12:23:32 saifedean: full book available here: http://www.voltairenet.org/IMG/pdf/Sutton_Wall_Street_and_the_bolshevik_revolution-5.pdf

12:23:33 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1uGw0or )

12:23:54 saifedean: And here's an interview with the author: www.youtube.com/watch?v=RD_cJXOjYl8

12:25:27 saifedean: the twentieth century was the century of spreading this model worldwide, burning all other human civilizations with the fatal acid of socialism, destroying their culture, society, religion and traditions, and then bringing in modern liberal democracy and its fiat central banks and IMF membership

12:25:36 mircea_popescu: teh cult of teh useful idiot.

12:28:09 adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-11-2014#935678 << since when does "more popular [among http clients]" imply "[above] the level of"?

12:28:09 assbot: Logged on 26-11-2014 12:13:23; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: qntra << lol, it's almost at the level of my own obscure site now. << actually, alexa thinks it's bigger. http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/qntra.net http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/loper-os.org for what (very little) that's worth.

12:28:23 saifedean: absolutely, this is the century of the useful idiots, and there are no idiots more useful than the socialist scum that has destroyed the world

12:28:42 mircea_popescu: adlai i wasn't being serious eh.

12:28:59 saifedean: how else could china turn into the west's dirty workshop, but through first burning its society with socialism

12:29:06 mircea_popescu: saifedean the world doesn't seem to have been putting up that much of a fight, mind.

12:29:49 saifedean: well, the tragedy is that the people who think they are putting up the fight are in fact the first line of attack of the enemies they imagine

12:30:13 adlai: mircea_popescu: well then, time to get serious, and demand of your personal media megaphone that it host denser content than mere snarky commentary :)

12:30:26 saifedean: fucking Hugo Chavez was selling his bonds to Goldman Sachs and Trotsky was getting paid by NY's bankers to launch revolution

12:30:59 mircea_popescu: but i like snarky commentary!

12:31:40 nubbins`: so buy a mad magazine

12:32:48 mircea_popescu: Speaking of Yazidi women captured by ISIS, Nazand Begikhani said, "These women have been treated like cattle... They have been subjected to physical and sexual violence, including systematic rape and sex slavery. They've been exposed in markets in Mosul and in Raqqa, Syria, carrying price tags."

12:33:07 mircea_popescu: heh. i imagine the porn based on this will last forever.

12:33:48 adlai: speaking of personal media megaphones, something quite interesting is happening in israel

12:34:00 mircea_popescu: i wonder how much 19yo prime (1.80, 80/60/80 or better) goes for in raqqa.

12:34:09 *: adlai is trying to find a commentary on this issue written in english, rather than google translate of hebrew articles

12:34:52 nubbins`: 1.80

12:35:00 nubbins`: height in cm : weight in kg

12:35:08 nubbins`: XD

12:35:12 mircea_popescu: lol

12:35:19 mircea_popescu: 1 meter 80 cm.

12:35:41 nubbins`: but that'd put her at 100kg

12:35:57 nubbins`: :D

12:36:10 mircea_popescu: ... ?

12:36:16 adlai: tl;dr: tycoon has a freely distributed "news"paper that gets handed out by the formerly homeless at bus and train stations... and now there's a bill passing through parliament to outlaw subscription-free distribution of newspapers

12:36:20 nubbins`: at a 1.8:1 ratio

12:36:27 adlai: it's a little subtler than that, but that's the general gist

12:36:34 nubbins`: i kid. anyway

12:36:42 nubbins`: i actually don't know my own height in meters

12:37:03 nubbins`: nor my weight in kg

12:37:33 mircea_popescu: adlai so what's the problem here ?

12:37:37 nubbins`: such is the curse of the canadian, living under a system of conflicting measurement systems

12:37:41 nubbins`: !up saifedean

12:37:43 nubbins`: !up Ginux_

12:37:45 adlai: here we go!

12:37:47 nubbins`: !up bagels7

12:37:58 bagels7: uh thanks

12:38:13 adlai: http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/.premium-1.626053

12:38:13 assbot: Everything you need to know about the Israel Hayom (or anti-Sheldon Adelson) law - National Israel News | Haaretz ... ( http://bit.ly/1uGzwz4 )

12:38:14 nubbins`: hey, no sweat

12:38:18 mircea_popescu: nubbins` 1.80 is the 71 inches minimum height of a sexy woman.

12:38:39 nubbins`: ah, 5'11"

12:38:43 mircea_popescu: right.

12:38:49 bagels7: wow that must eleminate a lot

12:38:52 nubbins`: it does

12:39:00 mircea_popescu: 31 inches and a half hips and tits ; 23 inches and a half waistline.

12:39:00 nubbins`: 'cept for dem amazons

12:39:06 mircea_popescu: bagels7 kinda the point.

12:39:08 adlai: mircea_popescu: freedom of "speech"... does this include the right to spend incredible wealth subsidizing propaganda rags that are killing the an already-dying business? (dead tree newspapers)

12:39:11 nubbins`: where's that crumb illustration again?

12:39:24 mircea_popescu: adlai in romania it was outlawed because littering.

12:39:25 nubbins`: http://pigsarms.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/r-crumbs-ideal-woman.jpg

12:39:26 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1uGzMOI )

12:39:50 adlai: adelson has been running this newspaper for over half a decade at a net loss, but he's rich enough to keep doing it indefinitely

12:40:04 nubbins`: adlai dat paid article

12:40:12 adlai: hmm it's not paywalled for me

12:40:20 saifedean: anything that kills newspapers is good

12:40:26 nubbins`: pastebin it

12:40:30 mircea_popescu: nubbins` that's like the epitome of brutish lmao

12:40:35 nubbins`: :D right?!

12:40:56 nubbins`: the ideal woman should be able to demolish a brick wall of approx. 2 meter height, with bare hands

12:41:19 mircea_popescu: course teh standards i espoused above are exactly opposite to this, so dunno what you're on about.

12:42:56 saifedean: i don't find height to be important for women, she's not a ladder... what matters most is the hip-to-waist ration, followed by the size of the breasts and lips... the rest is details

12:43:12 nubbins`: "she's not a ladder" lelelelelelel

12:44:09 adlai: http://pastebin.com/JMvysU0G

12:44:10 assbot: Israel Hayom Law - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1uGAY4E )

12:44:24 adlai: no u gay

12:44:36 mircea_popescu: saifedean if she's 1.80 or above she can wear heels so she can look you in the eye.

12:44:39 mircea_popescu: this matters.

12:45:20 mircea_popescu: (she can also fuck standing, but i repeat myself)

12:46:34 mircea_popescu: and for that matter, what IS woman if not a ladder ?!

12:46:35 adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-11-2014#935763 < I like that one, because it can be extended to all crap papers... any litterpaper is the responsibility of the entity that published the litter

12:46:35 assbot: Logged on 26-11-2014 12:39:24; mircea_popescu: adlai in romania it was outlawed because littering.

12:47:23 saifedean: i'd much rather a voluptuous shorty than a tall surfboard

12:47:31 mircea_popescu: false dilemma.

12:47:38 mircea_popescu: tall voluptuous was the standard.

12:48:05 saifedean: what is the point of life if not for trade-offs!

12:48:21 adlai: problem is, this law doesn't kill newspapers, it just adds a few legal hurdles which likely make it harder for "legitimate" actors but are easily avoided by the propaganda machine

12:48:31 saifedean: which would you prioritize: height of voluptuousness?

12:48:58 mircea_popescu: i don't prioritize. my tradeoff is like this : i trade off your tradeoff for no tradeoff.

12:49:26 adlai: and the root problem is that literate monkeys just sponge up whatever they read

12:49:28 mircea_popescu: what do you prioritize in cars, that the brakes don't work or that the engine doesn';t work ?

12:50:18 nubbins`: broken engine is better

12:50:33 mircea_popescu: adlai i find the pretense of the israeli middle class so amusing. AS IF they being exceptional, they'll manage to keep teh gawker.il at bay.

12:50:50 mircea_popescu: nubbins` why ? good driver doesn't use the brakes.

12:50:56 nubbins`: :o

12:51:15 adlai: ... what pretense, of what middle class?

12:51:32 *: adlai is not aware of either such thing existing

12:51:34 bagels7: I would rather not value myself by voluptuousness or temporal looks

12:51:34 mircea_popescu: adlai the people that purport to make a law to prevent a rich guy from buying the government one bum at a time.

12:51:50 mircea_popescu: bagels7 unless you meet the standard you may not discuss the standard.

12:52:20 adlai: at least, not among the vast majority of my irl contacts. people seem pretty aware and accepting of / resigned to the system

12:52:38 mircea_popescu: adlai so then what's that law suppost to do ?

12:53:23 bagels7: I am 183 cm but I don't have a vagina :p

12:54:03 mircea_popescu: didja get 600 cc boob implants ?

12:54:04 fluffypony: I thought everyone had one nowadays

12:54:06 fluffypony: it's all the rage

12:54:08 adlai: it's supposed to stop the continued indoctrination of the sponge-minded masses, because regulation always works perfectly the first time and never starts an arms race of circumvention

12:54:23 mircea_popescu: fluffypony yeah but at one's fingertips

12:54:40 fluffypony: ah

12:54:41 fluffypony: :-P

12:54:45 mircea_popescu: adlai hence "so amusing"

12:55:25 adlai: such things are always more amusing when perceived from a safe distance...

12:56:18 mircea_popescu: speaking of boobs, http://www.realself.com/forum/calling-500cc-600cc-girls

12:56:21 assbot: calling all 500cc to 600cc girls... - Breast Implants forum ... ( http://bit.ly/1uGE2O9 )

12:56:28 mircea_popescu: "decided to go in the middle and get 550cc high profile"

12:56:29 saifedean: alright guys, it was fun but i have to go to lift and eat and do things with my life... do check out the Antony Sutton book I mentioned, you will not be disappointed!

12:56:45 mircea_popescu: THAT is the middle nao. imagine, a century ago that middle was maybe... two per million ?

12:57:43 adlai: who the fuck measures implants by volume

12:57:45 bagels7: [07:53] <+mircea_popescu> didja get 600 cc boob implants ? << No, it;s not in the plans

12:57:55 mircea_popescu: adlai everyone ?

12:58:15 mircea_popescu: how do you measure tits, by color ?

12:59:04 nubbins`: HEH

12:59:05 adlai: dunno, but that seems like it'd miss info

12:59:16 nubbins`: "why would the doctors measure the volume of the liquids they're injecting?"

12:59:26 mircea_popescu: well, they're basically "classic" and "high profile". you can prolly fill in.

12:59:40 adlai: doctors ł everyone

12:59:44 mircea_popescu: industrial process is industrial process, they're all the same shape.

12:59:45 adlai: *≠

12:59:50 nubbins`: dat elective surgery

13:00:14 nubbins`: adlai how else would they describe the implants?

13:00:16 adlai: "what electives are you taking this semester?" "surgery"

13:00:21 nubbins`: heheh

13:00:30 nubbins`: dicksurgery.ca is up for renewal

13:00:37 mircea_popescu: http://www.simplybreastimplants.com/images/breast_augmentation_photos/breast_aug_revision42.jpg

13:00:38 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1uW2m3w )

13:00:40 mircea_popescu: left is 300 right is 600

13:01:57 adlai: if we're discussing the process itself, sure, talk about the delta. but if you're discussing the result, it seems more germane to discuss the result

13:02:21 mircea_popescu: adlai you don't understand. there's some standard items involved.

13:02:49 mircea_popescu: http://www.simplybreastimplants.com/breast_augmentation_photos/set42redo.html << earlier link.

13:02:50 assbot: 600cc High Profile Silicone Breast Implant Photos | Breast Augmentation Redo Photos ... ( http://bit.ly/1uGFuQu )

13:02:52 nubbins`: dat barbed wire tattoo

13:02:55 nubbins`: dat obv line of work

13:03:37 adlai: is it symbolic of the invisible fences keeping the customers close and the talent closer?

13:03:49 nubbins`: dat heh

13:03:57 nubbins`: i think it's symbolic of poor decision making skills

13:04:03 mircea_popescu: lol

13:04:15 nubbins`: http://www.simplybreastimplants.com/images/breast_augmentation_photos/Revis_revba42.jpg

13:04:16 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1uGFHDr )

13:04:18 nubbins`: BEAUTIFUL

13:04:30 *: nubbins` weeps

13:04:43 adlai: the worst poor decisions are those made on your behalf before you're born

13:04:56 adlai: equally, the best good decisions... are the ones made on your behalf before you're born :)

13:05:40 mircea_popescu: nubbins` it's recent. they usually heal markless these days.

13:05:50 nubbins`: the best good decisions are not the ones where you slice your tits open from the nipple downwards, stuff them full of window caulking, and sew em back up?

13:05:52 nubbins`: ah

13:05:56 nubbins`: well til

13:06:56 mircea_popescu: big fucking deal, so woman gets to carry some scars.

13:07:06 nubbins`: also, til fumed silica is produced by burning silicone

13:07:15 mircea_popescu: imagine she got them in a war with her own ugliness, then they're just as respectable as w/e scars you might get fighting for isis.

13:07:23 bagels7: adlai: what do you know about pre birth?

13:07:26 nubbins`: (fumed silica is a thixotropic agent used in printing inks, as well as toothpastes etc)

13:07:35 adlai: bagels7: still trying to figure out what my face looked like

13:08:12 adlai: !up bagels7

13:08:37 adlai: ;;gettrust bagels7

13:08:38 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user Adlai to user bagels7: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=Adlai&dest=bagels7 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=bagels7 | Rated since: Tue Nov 11 00:46:41 2014

13:09:06 adlai: interesting wot ratings there

13:09:39 nubbins`: heh

13:09:46 nubbins`: dpb bringing all the normals in

13:10:14 nubbins`: bagels7 are you also going to snap your dick in half like xanthyos did?

13:10:37 bagels7: :he thinks I'm normal: lol, oh that was sarcasm, No I am not going to break my dick

13:11:09 nubbins`: i don't think the other guy explicitly set out to do this either

13:11:30 adlai: ;;google frankenpenis

13:11:31 gribble: Frankenpenis (Video 1996) - IMDb: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0140058/; The Frankenpenis - The Frisky: http://www.thefrisky.com/photos/the-top-10-most-amazing-penises/amazing-penis-g8-jpg/; frankenpenis - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzQ2MI082MU

13:11:31 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

13:11:39 nubbins`: heh

13:12:00 nubbins`: looks like assbot only selectively ignores gribs

13:12:15 adlai: let's see

13:12:18 assbot: Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2P7WYHE.txt )

13:12:18 adlai: !b 5

13:12:34 assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3WEZBMC.txt )

13:12:34 adlai: !b 3

13:13:30 nubbins`: i may replace the tubes in my exposure unit today

13:13:44 nubbins`: finally tracked down a set of unfiltered blacklights

13:15:09 bagels7: Sooo many guys tell me to not get fake boobs. I don't have to feel bad!

13:15:29 nubbins`: nobody *has* to feel bad. don't let that stop you.

13:20:14 bagels7: well I am pretty cute for someone that went physical through male puberty, too bad It shows I did drugs

13:28:31 nubbins`: c'est la vie

13:31:10 bagels7: I believe in mara the demon that temps people with beautiful women due to real life experiences. The demon that leads people away from spiritual matters by distracting them with sex

13:33:55 nubbins`: i believe i'm going to lay down some speedball acrylic white on these book covers

13:36:17 *: bagels7 looks at the ashes fall on nubbins art as she passes him the fatty

13:58:05 mircea_popescu: <nubbins`> dpb bringing all the normals in << srsly.

13:58:18 nubbins`: dread pirate barron

13:58:43 mircea_popescu: bagels7 sex is a spiritual matter!

13:58:49 mircea_popescu: !up hguux_

13:58:54 mircea_popescu: !up ybit_

13:59:54 bagels7: Yeah, my job bothers me sometimes when people ask me for affection instead of something tyical

14:07:03 danielpbarron: ;;later tell ben_vulpes I'm running bitcoind 0.7.2 on OpenBSD 5.5 as per BingoBoingo's instructions http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/05/02/building-bitcoin-0-7-2-on-openbsd/ -- it took several weeks to get my data up-to-date, and it frequently crashes

14:07:04 assbot: Building Bitcoin 0.7.2 on OpenBSD | Bingo Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1yX0E13 )

14:07:04 gribble: The operation succeeded.

14:16:28 *: bagels7 will do anything legal and ethiacl for bitcoins

15:08:17 bagels7: "nice people" here: http://pastebin.com/w5g52cTa

15:08:18 assbot: mandycandy - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1vNzUD8 )

15:08:29 bagels7: nice people like those black people kept telling who ended up robbing me

15:09:05 TomServo: ;;later tell ben_vulpes I just recently started down a path similar to danielpbarron's, though I'm on 5.6. Only to block 216000 something so far, and also - frequently crashes.

15:09:05 gribble: The operation succeeded.

15:09:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30150 @ 0.00040277 = 12.1435 BTC [-] {2}

15:11:51 bagels7: [09:37] <mandycandy> you have chosen this path, now face the consequences :) for your own good, do not step into #bitcoin-assets again because you do not know what some participants are involved in <<<< some hacker, with the patience of a two year old

15:18:27 mircea_popescu: lol

15:18:30 mircea_popescu: ayup

15:19:01 mircea_popescu: funny how the "for your own protection" verbiage appeals to a particular sort of derp.

15:21:59 bagels7: when I go downtown I basically risk being stabbed or once i got robbed by this woman and 15 black guys, 97.6% of the times i was robbed was by black people. can I be racist now

15:22:56 bagels7: half the time was from "friends", is that what i get for being a whitey

15:32:48 Azelphur: bagels7: I've always said there's a difference between racism and statistics, people have so much trouble differentiating

15:33:21 Azelphur: Racism: All black people are thieves, Not racism: 97.6% of the times I was robbed was by black people (Assuming it's an accurate statistic, which it isn't)

15:35:10 bagels7: hundred dollars here and there, one time my whole rent... yeah it's more like 2/18

15:35:34 nubbins`: two eighteenths of the time?

15:36:27 bagels7: i got my phone stolen twice by crackheads

15:37:10 Azelphur: bagels7: heard of Cerberus? :P

15:37:23 Azelphur: It'd be so funny if a crackhead stole my phone in UK

15:37:29 bagels7: no i have not

15:37:39 mircea_popescu: for the 97.6% statistic you need 125 attempts and 122 successes

15:37:45 mircea_popescu: somehow i doubt you got robbed 122 times.

15:37:53 Azelphur: mircea_popescu: now now, maybe he lives in detroit.

15:38:12 Azelphur: bagels7: if you have an android device and root it, it'll embed itself inside the firmware and let you track the phone

15:38:16 mircea_popescu: even so. most people live their entire lives without fucking 100 times. let alone being mugged for crying out loud.

15:38:18 bagels7: well if I count all the times i got ripped off buying drugs...

15:38:28 Azelphur: so if a thief does the normal thing of replacing the SIM card and factory resetting, then turns it back on again...you can still track it :)

15:39:14 mircea_popescu: Azelphur so you know when to run ? "dude that stole my phone is around the corner gtg bye" ?

15:39:21 Azelphur: haha

15:39:30 Azelphur: mircea_popescu: I'm British remember, our police don't suck.

15:40:15 bagels7: azelphur: thanks for the rooting advice if I ever get an android

15:40:21 Azelphur: yw

15:40:35 punkman: Azelphur: and what if it shows up in Poland

15:41:17 Azelphur: punkman: then you proceed to mess with it to annoy the person that stole your phone.

15:41:50 bagels7: but I doubt I will be falling asleep on some guys mattress while he brings a girl over and she robs me the 5 minutes he is gone. I had my phone beside me waiting for a call

15:42:02 danielpbarron: you mean to annoy the patsy that bought your phone from the guy who stole it

15:43:10 bagels7: a lot of the hoodrats downtown are assoiated so they probably know each other on some personal level

15:47:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54600 @ 0.00040216 = 21.9579 BTC [-] {2}

16:19:04 kakobrekla: and it frequently crashes < memory leak?

16:21:00 BingoBoingo: http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/two-fbi-agents-shot-wounded-in-st-louis-county-while/article_65b73d94-ae93-587d-822c-aed812515003.html

16:21:01 assbot: Two FBI agents shot, wounded in St. Louis County while searching for fugitive : News ... ( http://bit.ly/11uQNEL )

16:21:09 BingoBoingo: http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/tear-gas-used-after-protesters-burn-police-car-break-windows/article_4e930309-b1b5-581d-85ed-04cd0a8f7921.html

16:21:11 assbot: Tear gas used after protesters burn police car, break windows at Ferguson city hall; 45 arrested : News ... ( http://bit.ly/11uQQQX )

16:41:43 TomServo: kakobrekla: I think so. std::bad_alloc == memory leak?

16:42:11 TomServo: Also, many thanks for assbot's URL shortener.

16:46:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2313 @ 0.001243 = 2.8751 BTC [-]

16:54:32 mats_cd03: ;;ticker

16:54:34 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 373.79, Best ask: 374.62, Bid-ask spread: 0.83000, Last trade: 373.79, 24 hour volume: 11560.64745239, 24 hour low: 367.4, 24 hour high: 381.85, 24 hour vwap: 374.5673137

17:01:52 ben_vulpes: danielpbarron, TomServo: thanks

17:05:38 kakobrekla: !up ghtyujh

17:05:43 kakobrekla: hi

17:06:55 ben_vulpes: mornin

17:20:45 nubbins`: FINALLY finished these covers

17:26:42 BingoBoingo: !up ratpoison

17:27:06 BingoBoingo: Hello ratpoison, is your nick in honor of the excellet window manager of the same name?

17:27:14 nubbins`: http://imgur.com/F3ogQr1

17:27:15 assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer ... ( http://bit.ly/1y1ObMA )

17:27:35 nubbins`: the metallic inks are difficult to photograph in a way that does them justice, but this is as good an approximation as i can get with a phone camera

17:28:09 nubbins`: 10 layers of ink

17:34:23 BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2014/11/mtgox-trustee-moves-to-repay-creditors-work-with-kraken/

17:34:24 assbot: MtGox Trustee Moves to Repay Creditors, Work With Kraken | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1y1PF9x )

17:36:54 BingoBoingo: !up 18VABNRS9

17:37:05 nubbins`: http://imgur.com/QQXnGsR

17:37:06 assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer ... ( http://bit.ly/1y1QfUN )

17:37:12 BingoBoingo: Hello 18VABNRS9 is that a radio call sign?

17:37:34 nubbins`: call signs here follow the format V01xx

17:37:43 nubbins`: not too many hams

17:39:09 BingoBoingo: You never know for sure.

17:40:35 nubbins`: not too many licensed ones, anyway

17:40:51 nubbins`: less than 100 if the vanity plates are any indication

17:45:01 BingoBoingo: Vanity plates are probably a poor indicator

17:53:54 BingoBoingo: http://www.zdnet.com/senator-tom-coburn-agrees-that-bitcoin-is-not-legal-currency-7000036169/

17:53:56 assbot: Senator Tom Coburn agrees that Bitcoin is not legal currency | ZDNet ... ( http://bit.ly/1y1TTxU )

18:02:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2150 @ 0.00124103 = 2.6682 BTC [-] {3}

18:09:35 xanthyos: <gribble> Sent 10 hours ago: <ben_vulpes> until you share those photos you're a goddamn scammer << i haven't asked for any money. the pictures are aplenty on my twitter account. you need +3 trust in my L1 to read my tweets

18:10:39 BingoBoingo: lol ben_vulpes isn't in xanthyos dick pic WoT

18:11:14 xanthyos: oh +2 apparently has it too

18:11:31 xanthyos: it's a reasonable goal to which he can aspire

18:12:30 BingoBoingo: ;;gettrust ben_vulpes danielpbarron

18:12:32 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask danielpbarron!~dpb@ Trust relationship from user ben_vulpes to user danielpbarron: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 4 via 4 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=ben_vulpes&dest=danielpbarron | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=danielpbarron | Rated since: Thu Mar 21 17:26:04 2013

18:13:30 BingoBoingo: Well ben_vulpes trusts danielpbarron, maybe he does so in a way that allows him to believe danielpbarron's testimony that the pictures exist.

18:14:11 xanthyos: i showed the G rated pics of me in a hospital bed

18:14:14 xanthyos: isn't that enough?

18:14:51 BingoBoingo: Maybe ben_vulpes is just into the gore of it?

18:15:07 davout: xanthyos: so, how's your cock doing

18:15:32 xanthyos: i stopped taking the pain meds so i could end a week-long constipation

18:15:44 xanthyos: just took one now after 2 days in agony

18:16:47 xanthyos: the pain means the nerves aren't damaged

18:17:00 xanthyos: it'd be more worrying if i felt numbness

18:19:02 davout: that makes sense

18:20:20 BingoBoingo: And people think pain is a bad thing.

18:21:37 xanthyos: it does impede my functionality

18:22:30 davout: pain is painful

18:30:07 jurov: !up hiddosme

18:30:16 jurov: !up ratpoison

18:42:47 BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2014/11/ken-hess-bitcoin-illegal-tom-coburn-maybe-for-congress/

18:42:48 assbot: Ken Hess: Bitcoin Illegal, Tom Coburn: Maybe for Congress? | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1zYnSVz )

18:45:39 BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/537678524166201344

18:45:40 assbot: ZDNet's /kenhess /hashtag/Bitcoin?src=hash Illegal! Tom Coburn: Maybe for Congress? http://t.co/cJJlL6UgQX

18:51:24 BingoBoingo: lol Bitcoin Magazine https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2nhafk/bitcoin_magazine_going_to_shut_down/

18:51:27 assbot: Bitcoin Magazine going to shut down? : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1zYp4s2 )

19:36:47 ben_vulpes: xanthyos: aww i'm just trolling

19:36:59 ben_vulpes: you'll note the absence of an actual negrating :p

19:39:41 *: BingoBoingo remembers ben_vulpes flapping his hands over the matter

19:40:49 xanthyos: ben_vulpes: do i get a positive rating for a post-op pic with stitches around the glans

19:41:00 xanthyos: or a pre-op pic of a bent deformed shaft

19:41:18 xanthyos: or btc? i'll sign a contract

19:41:30 mats_cd03: yes you can have a +1

19:41:30 xanthyos: if you really want to see you can give me an incentive

19:42:08 xanthyos: i'll do a webcam show with the bandaid and gauze off for .1

19:43:24 mats_cd03: show me the dong

19:43:35 xanthyos: make an offer

19:43:43 mats_cd03: i already did

19:44:06 xanthyos: ratings are reversible, i'll take btc though

19:44:13 mats_cd03: nope

19:44:15 danielpbarron: ;;sell 1 "image of broken penis" at 0.1 BTC

19:44:16 gribble: Order id 21699 created.

19:44:34 xanthyos: .1 is for a live webcam show

19:44:54 xanthyos: a jpg link is much less

19:45:40 ben_vulpes: xanthyos: i'll rate you +1 for a year for that picture

19:46:03 xanthyos: regardless of any emotional outburst that might make you want to retract your rating?

19:46:52 xanthyos: i don't know if i should accept those terms as a picture will not increase the amount of trust you should have for me

19:46:59 danielpbarron: make sure to use the deedbot for this contract

19:47:13 ben_vulpes: actually upon consideration this is an abuse of the rating system.

19:47:33 xanthyos: rate me up because you know i'm a genuine guy who wears his heart on his sleeve

19:47:46 xanthyos: but if you want the pic it's better to settle in btc

19:47:56 ben_vulpes: ;;rate xanthyos 1 genuine guy who wears his heart on his sleeve

19:47:57 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user xanthyos has been recorded.

19:48:05 xanthyos: heh

19:48:17 xanthyos: climbing the social ladder

19:48:27 xanthyos: thanks

19:48:37 ben_vulpes: ;;gettrust xanthyos assbot

19:48:38 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user xanthyos to user assbot: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=xanthyos&dest=assbot | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=assbot | Rated since: Fri Apr 11 02:04:55 2014

19:48:47 ben_vulpes: eh what does it cost me

19:49:06 xanthyos: why does it say i'm not authenticated?

19:49:52 ben_vulpes: ;;ident xanthyos

19:49:52 gribble: Nick 'xanthyos', with hostmask 'xanthyos!xanthyos@silenceisdefeat.com', is identified as user 'xanthyos', with GPG key id DF074A8E1242692B, key fingerprint AF3F0A9DD77A3B76411A95DBDF074A8E1242692B, and bitcoin address None

19:50:03 ben_vulpes: ;;ident assbot

19:50:03 gribble: Nick 'assbot', with hostmask 'assbot!~assbot@unaffiliated/kakobrekla/bot/assbot', is not identified.

19:50:07 xanthyos: oh

19:51:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31975 @ 0.00039584 = 12.657 BTC [-] {2}

19:51:57 jurov: ben_vulpes: best make him write hex string on the dick and give him 0.1btc for the trouble :)

19:52:28 xanthyos: i'm seeing the urologist in a week. wonder what he'd comment if i had hex sharpied on it

19:53:02 jurov: you're considered psychically insane anyway, why not have a little fun?

19:53:21 ben_vulpes: 7714ad25

19:53:33 ben_vulpes: i've reconsidered, and am not buying buttcoins

19:54:10 xanthyos: if i write 7714ad25 along the side of my penis and take a picture that shows the numbers and the stitches you'l send me .1?

19:54:42 *: jurov cackles

19:55:40 mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> Hello ratpoison, is your nick in honor of the excellet window manager of the same name? << it's the andi-flood noobs pill kako made

19:56:30 mircea_popescu: <assbot> Senator Tom Coburn << eh ?!

19:57:07 asciilifeform: it's the andi-flood noobs pill << before long, we'll be hooking up elizas to mask decoys from the enemy. and then folks will start... talking to them

19:58:45 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that that'll be lulzy.

19:58:49 BingoBoingo: http://drgrumpyinthehouse.blogspot.com/2014/11/tuesday-afternoon.html

19:58:51 assbot: Doctor Grumpy in the House: Tuesday afternoon ... ( http://bit.ly/1xHdoXp )

19:59:54 punkman: BingoBoingo: who the fuck is this ken hess character

20:00:35 BingoBoingo: punkman: Columnist for ZDNet, normally writes on Virtualization and windows Sysadmin

20:00:43 mircea_popescu: ;;rate Ken Hess -1 too stupid to understand what his questions mean.

20:00:43 gribble: Error: 'Hess' is not a valid integer.

20:00:53 punkman: did bitcoin kill his cat or something

20:01:04 mircea_popescu: no, but it bothered his employer.

20:01:38 mircea_popescu: and all through 2015 we will be seeing a shitton of 50-somethings with so-so credentrials going all weirdo on bitcoin.

20:02:10 mircea_popescu: the perfect age to be stupid re what things are, whatthey mean and what to trust. locklin's their model.

20:02:24 xanthyos: shrodinger's cat was killed by double-spent btc

20:03:38 TomServo: From Hess' bio on zdnet: His first computer was a Commodore VIC-20, which he purchased because William Shatner was in the commercials.

20:04:22 mircea_popescu: who's william shatner ?

20:04:36 TomServo: heh, first enterprise captain?

20:04:42 mircea_popescu: ugh.

20:05:26 xanthyos: commodore vic 20 came out in 1980, so it was between the motion picture and the wrath of khan. shatner was a big deal.

20:05:27 mircea_popescu: well i guess if you're 15 in the 70s it's a reasonable reason to be buying z80s

20:06:08 xanthyos: <+TomServo> heh, first enterprise captain? << first enterprise captain was jonathan archer

20:07:39 TomServo: Sorry, I should've said James T Kirk.

20:07:55 mircea_popescu: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_Hess << a better ken hess ?

20:07:57 assbot: Kenneth Hess - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1rlMmbE )

20:08:55 mircea_popescu: aww seems so. dude the curse of #b-a. "say something stupid in some trade rag, they'll find a... better you ?"

20:09:29 punkman: sold 2 million copies of family tree software before 1995, love it

20:09:56 BingoBoingo: Seriously. ZDNet Ken Hess is unworthy of Wikipedia Ken HEss

20:09:58 mircea_popescu: anyway, i'm a great fan of coburn, because

20:10:04 mircea_popescu: ;;google site:fraudsters.com tom coburn

20:10:05 gribble: No matches found.

20:10:06 asciilifeform: 'We can rebuild him. We have the technology. We can make him better than he was. Better...stronger...faster.' - 'the six million dollar man'

20:10:11 mircea_popescu: eh get fucked google!

20:10:17 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2010/politica-adevarata/

20:10:17 assbot: Politica adevarata pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1xHgKK2 )

20:11:58 mircea_popescu: !up heath

20:12:45 mircea_popescu: "Barbie apparently fails as a computer engineer as Mattel removes 'Barbie: I can be a Computer Engineer' book from all sales outlets."

20:12:54 mircea_popescu: clearly, it's because sexism in the industry o.O

20:13:26 ben_vulpes: i always suspected: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curse_of_dimensionality

20:13:28 assbot: Curse of dimensionality - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1xHhT4u )

20:14:35 mircea_popescu: i don't get it ? sparsity due to high volumetric exponent ? wtf ?

20:16:54 ben_vulpes: space typically grows faster than data?

20:16:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 1029 @ 0.00099992 = 1.0289 BTC [+] {6}

20:17:15 ben_vulpes: bayesian rocket guys were always going on about needing MOAR DATA

20:17:18 kakobrekla: !up heath

20:17:19 mircea_popescu: i dun get what you mean.

20:18:04 mircea_popescu: and yes, one of the many different reasons bayesianism is little more than "a cult of ai without moon or minsky aka stupid"

20:21:44 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, i think i may have made a breakthrough here. your idea of a "program that fits in head" and my displeasure at the backwards way linux has been going have a common spot.

20:22:13 mircea_popescu: "when in doubt, dike it out". this is the golden rule of all computer programming. logically, interfering with it is then evil.

20:22:21 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: dike it out ?

20:22:32 mircea_popescu: you know, cut it out

20:22:36 mircea_popescu: like with a wire clipper.

20:23:08 mircea_popescu: so, if an absolute guarantee can be offered that any portion can be cut off, this probably satisfies both of us.

20:23:30 mircea_popescu: the problem is that in any current shitstack, if you cut ANYTHING out it "stops working".

20:23:35 mircea_popescu: ie, altogether.

20:23:55 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://electronicdesign.com/boards/whats-all-muntzing-stuff-anyhow

20:23:56 assbot: What's All This Muntzing Stuff, Anyhow? | Boards content from Electronic Design ... ( http://bit.ly/1xHkAD6 )

20:23:58 mircea_popescu: stuff that does that will never fit in any head, much like bridge pillars don't fit in any cunt.

20:24:04 asciilifeform: it has a name!

20:24:18 mircea_popescu: ha!

20:24:35 mircea_popescu: the benefits of ignorance, i get to feel nine years old again :D

20:24:37 asciilifeform: i learned of the man from locklin, incidentally

20:24:48 asciilifeform: went most of my life 'muntzing' without knowing it had any name.

20:25:11 mircea_popescu: anyway. yes. muntzing is the correct debugging approach.

20:25:25 mircea_popescu: any software/stack/platform/anything interfering with this is evil, for that reason.

20:26:35 mircea_popescu: hm.

20:26:57 asciilifeform: though i must say, a correctly-designed system (minimal) is likewise unmuntzable.

20:26:59 mircea_popescu: nah, this doesn't actually work. i recall this guy, the salesman dude. this isn't what's happening here.

20:27:05 asciilifeform: in that removal of anything whatsoever - kills.

20:27:16 mircea_popescu: he's an early exponent of the "80% of service with 20% of cost and try for 50% of price" thing,

20:27:23 mircea_popescu: which i decried as the evil that it is earlier.

20:27:25 asciilifeform: but one could argue that it should be readily apparent why kills.

20:28:04 asciilifeform: i'm no great fan of what he did. but the basic act (if not the result) deserves remembering.

20:28:16 mircea_popescu: anyway, i won't call this muntzing, but i will say that if i cut off include stdio.h from a program i expect it to a) compile and b) function ; without stdoutput.

20:30:18 mircea_popescu: The story around the industry was that he would wander around to an engineer's workbench and ask, "How's your new circuit coming?"

20:30:19 mircea_popescu: After a short discussion, Earl would say, "But, you seem to be over-engineering this - I don't think you need this capacitor." He would reach out with his handy nippers (insulated) that he always carried in his shirt-pocket, and snip out the capacitor in question.

20:30:19 mircea_popescu: Well, doggone, the picture was still there! Then he would study the schematic some more, and SNIP... SNIP... SNIP. Muntz had made a good guess of how to simplify and cheapen the circuit. Then, usually, he would make one SNIP too many, and the picture or the sound would stop working. He would concede to the designer, "Well, I guess you have to put that last part back in,"

20:30:26 mircea_popescu: ok, ok, maybe it's what it should be called.

20:31:11 ben_vulpes: ./muntz.sh bitcoin

20:31:35 mircea_popescu: ./muntz.sh the entire motherfucking world

20:31:39 ben_vulpes: but what is our "picture"?

20:31:47 asciilifeform: 'Every program has at least one bug and can be shortened by at least one instruction ? from which, by induction, it is evident that every program can be reduced to one instruction that does not work.'

20:32:04 mircea_popescu: this thing goes extremely deep, because honestly, what i don't like about i dunno, take your pick ? thins.

20:32:28 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the part where it concludes "but it shouldn't" is under dispute here.

20:32:32 mircea_popescu: if it can, it should.

20:33:02 asciilifeform: variant on the ancient 'things should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler'

20:33:25 mircea_popescu: i guess i'm going to take a moment to pangloss all over myself, because imagine this! we live in the best world possible : just as the muntzing of the world is necessary, the collapse of the political is unavoidable.

20:33:28 mircea_popescu: praise be

20:33:37 mircea_popescu: hey, who's our cult worshipping ?

20:34:07 asciilifeform: !s our god

20:34:08 assbot: 13 results for 'our god' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=our+god

20:34:12 mircea_popescu: praise obama!

20:34:19 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-11-2014#922406

20:34:19 assbot: Logged on 14-11-2014 22:31:04; mircea_popescu: can this be like, our god ?

20:34:29 asciilifeform: >>> http://worth1000.s3.amazonaws.com/submissions/183500/183879_8c00_625x1000.jpg

20:34:30 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1xHnHe7 )

20:34:32 ben_vulpes: eris!

20:34:33 mircea_popescu: hey, we could have a mentally inept sorta-black community organiser with a bunch of fake achievements and awards as a god can't we ?

20:34:44 mircea_popescu: i say we worship hussein barrack obama.

20:34:49 ben_vulpes: hail obama

20:34:53 ben_vulpes: heil obama

20:35:06 mircea_popescu: b-a worship is best worship.

20:35:11 asciilifeform: Барак Хусейнович

20:35:30 mircea_popescu: awww missed the huyportunity ?!

20:35:32 asciilifeform: candidate for 'order of red star'

20:36:24 mircea_popescu: Барак Хуйсейнович

20:36:31 asciilifeform: l0l

20:36:48 mircea_popescu: see ? much better.

20:37:04 mircea_popescu: in romanian, "barack fiu pulii"

20:37:18 mircea_popescu: "barack fiu' pulii"*

20:37:46 mircea_popescu: (which is a very common deprecatory, calling someone "the son of cock" is like saying he'll be inheriting the kingdom of heaven)

20:37:58 ben_vulpes: i have officially been on hold with the irs for an hour to get a number necessary to open their payment backend

20:38:19 mircea_popescu: give yourself a deduction for the phone charge ?

20:38:50 ben_vulpes: i'm amused at the every 2 minute "all of our representatives are on the line with other customers" spiel

20:38:54 ben_vulpes: CUSTOMERS?!

20:38:57 mircea_popescu: hahaha

20:39:04 mircea_popescu: well... you do bring custom...

20:39:19 ben_vulpes: implying i'm actually buying anything

20:39:27 ben_vulpes: implying i have a choice in provider

20:39:35 ben_vulpes: implying i could *not* buy the thing in question, whatever it is

20:39:36 mircea_popescu: that's not what custom implies.

20:39:43 mircea_popescu: it just implies you're bringing in teh dough.

20:39:52 *: ben_vulpes is milchow

20:40:04 mircea_popescu: ;;ud milchow

20:40:04 gribble: Google found nothing.

20:40:30 assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0E0J4EA.txt )

20:40:30 ben_vulpes: !b 2

20:40:43 ben_vulpes: ;;ud google

20:40:44 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Google | Google. The holy mother of all search engines. Is the most efficient, and reliable search engines. Can generate a few million results within a fraction of a second.

20:40:57 ben_vulpes: ;;ud bitcoin

20:40:58 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bitcoin | bitcoin. A crypto-currency allowing for anonymous transactions and using a decentralized architecture. Go Nanotube! Nanotube was able to purchase many  ...

20:41:42 mircea_popescu: wow srsly ? nanotube ?

20:42:06 mircea_popescu: lol cusipzzz

20:42:12 mircea_popescu: ;;seen cusipzzz

20:42:12 gribble: I have not seen cusipzzz.

20:42:20 mircea_popescu: orly ? so long long ago!

20:43:11 mircea_popescu: Apr 05 22:50:39 {Cusipzzz} i, for one, welcome our stable bitcoin overlords << from the logs ben_vulpes never saw

20:43:53 *: ben_vulpes ponders his first arrival date

20:44:02 ben_vulpes: log search doesn't go past some 5000 responses

20:44:32 ben_vulpes: i don't think i was persistently logging when i first showed up either

20:45:39 Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, cusipzzz is still in -otc

20:46:16 mircea_popescu: cool!

20:47:58 *: mircea_popescu goes to read 2011 pms about his "new thing" at the time.

20:49:53 mod6: :]

20:55:00 cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/11/bitcoin-com-au-update/

20:55:01 assbot: Bitcoin.com.au Update | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1xHsFYl )

21:27:31 ben_vulpes: http://asshat.shithouse.tv/

21:27:32 assbot: asshat ... ( http://bit.ly/1tjX11E )

21:38:53 thestringpuller: !t m s.mpoe

21:38:53 assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00038988 / 0.00040207 / 0.0004188 (599574 shares, 241.08 BTC), 7D: 0.00038988 / 0.00043724 / 0.00050762 (8080579 shares, 3,533.22 BTC), 30D: 0.00036402 / 0.00056334 / 0.00086038 (23806032 shares, 13,411.01 BTC)

21:39:00 thestringpuller: !l m s.mpoe

21:39:00 assbot: Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.00039584 BTC [-]

21:50:47 mod6: $vwap s.mpoe

21:50:47 empyex: mod6: S.MPOE 1 day: average: 0.00040208 high: 0.0004188 low: 0.00038988 volume: 599574 btc: 241.07533232 7 day: average: 0.00043725 high: 0.00050762 low: 0.00038988 volume: 8080579 btc: 3533.21532115 30 day: average: 0.00056296 high: 0.00086038 low: 0.00036402 volume: 23759737 btc: 13375.76738948

21:52:12 mod6: this one must be behind a bit.

21:53:52 mod6: it's behind on 30d by: 46`295 on vol & 36 btc

21:54:04 mod6: or thereabouts

21:56:46 mod6: maybe it just calcs that once every 24 hours or something.

21:56:49 mod6: *shrug*

22:00:32 asciilifeform: http://cryptome.org/2014/11/nsa-ttp-2014.pdf << usg loves software patents; sells licenses!

22:01:49 asciilifeform: 'Federal technology transfer exists, in part, to provide a return on investment for tax payers.' << lol

22:02:03 mircea_popescu: this munzer story is quite sad if you look at it.

22:02:18 mircea_popescu: back in the 60s, even clowns in napoleon costumes were accomplished engineers.

22:02:35 mircea_popescu: fast forward 50 years later, even the president is a pretentiously dressed-up monkey.

22:02:49 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what he did was snip out most of the amp. at the time, most tv owners lived in or very near cities, with powerful transmitters. hence - worked. mostly.

22:03:10 mircea_popescu: yeah i know

22:03:27 asciilifeform: whether this counts as 'engineering' - matter of taste.

22:04:00 cazalla: so.. banned from twitter for sending "violent threats" of which i did not do lol, and people wonder why others stick to irc

22:08:02 mircea_popescu: cazalla lol wut ?

22:09:20 thestringpuller: it's all fun and games until you threaten someone!

22:09:59 mircea_popescu: hey, the libtards want to make a mockery of rape, murder and everything else, i'm more than happy to oblige.

22:10:17 mircea_popescu: which is why whenever anyone asks me, i killed andreas whatshisname. got the link to prove it too.

22:10:32 mircea_popescu: honestly, being an internet-convicted murderer isn't really all that bad. kinda fun.

22:11:02 mircea_popescu: maybe it should be a rule, "you can't run with the cool kids until you e-murder someone"

22:21:20 BingoBoingo: !up Omeo_

22:47:11 ben_vulpes: syn

22:47:33 BingoBoingo: ack

22:47:45 ben_vulpes: !up cascadian_derper

22:47:48 cascadian_derper: ack

22:47:54 ben_vulpes: hm.

22:48:02 cascadian_derper: why u no sasl

22:54:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21000 @ 0.00039508 = 8.2967 BTC [-]

22:57:27 jurov: RST

22:58:03 mircea_popescu: onoes jurov is in your tubes rsting your sockets

23:01:03 jurov: http://freepdfhosting.com/0d53fc3f43.pdf

23:01:06 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1xU5T3m )

23:01:59 jurov: ^ slaughter violated suff by selling securities

23:03:43 jurov: lol they even explain how virtual currencies are risky for transacting business

23:03:52 cazalla: mandycandy = fivezerotwo and is trans? lol

23:04:12 jurov: 1. virtual currencies are not backed by a central bank and are not insured

23:04:25 jurov: 2. virtual currencies can be hacked or stolen with little or no recourse;

23:04:48 jurov: 3. there is no way to reverse a virtual currency transaction

23:04:59 jurov: and it gets only better after that

23:05:44 BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/RusEmbassyUAE/status/537682306404589568

23:05:46 assbot: /hashtag/US?src=hash demonstrates sham care for protesters in other countries but uses force at home http://t.co/77HsUgI2lt /hashtag/Ferguson?src=hash http://t.co/PlZ1gGptjA

23:07:11 jurov: (oh it's 5 months old, sorry)

23:08:06 BingoBoingo: jurov: Sure it is, but always interesting to see these things again

23:09:25 BingoBoingo: http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/11/26/us-usa-missouri-shooting-gasstation-idUSKCN0JA1XF20141126

23:09:26 assbot: In Ferguson, black residents stand guard at white-owned store | Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/11vzzqF )

23:09:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40478 @ 0.00039651 = 16.0499 BTC [+] {2}

23:10:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2972 @ 0.00040098 = 1.1917 BTC [+]

23:20:10 mircea_popescu: jurov lolk ?

23:25:43 xanthyos: ;;rate thomas_d -10 abuser in all ways and betrayer do not trust and xanthyos dont' let yourself be decieved again

23:25:44 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user thomas_d has changed from 1 to -10.

23:26:20 cazalla: xanthyos, dick pics leaked? i'm not done with logs yet so feel free to tell me now

23:26:35 xanthyos: no he's an abuser

23:26:38 xanthyos: i shared somethign very close

23:26:40 xanthyos: and he used it to abuser mje

23:26:43 xanthyos: after gaining my trust

23:26:57 xanthyos: and he's laughting at me now whipe i'm cryting

23:27:02 xanthyos: i'mn physical and emotinoal duredses

23:32:50 mircea_popescu: !up moltenSEA

23:33:15 cazalla: xanthyos, drunk too?

23:33:39 mircea_popescu: am i the only one reading xanthyos as "shanty-os", as in you know, temple-os before it became a temple ?

23:35:23 xanthyos: NOT AT ALL DRUNK

23:35:23 cazalla: yeah, in the same way some might read mircea as mersaya



23:35:36 kakobrekla: messiah?

23:35:48 mircea_popescu: !up LURKERSGTFO

23:35:50 xanthyos: http://pastebin.com/GyBLK9cA << I AM "e" IN THIS TRANSCRIPT

23:35:51 assbot: /help for a list of commands.* [5:59 PM] e: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0 - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1rmEoPt )

23:35:54 kakobrekla: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zjz16xjeBAA

23:35:55 assbot: He's Not The Messiah - Monty Python's Life of Brian - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1rmEpmx )

23:35:59 mircea_popescu: LURKERSGTFO you got something you wanna share with the group ?


23:36:26 mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot xanthyos

23:36:26 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask xanthyos!xanthyos@silenceisdefeat.com. Trust relationship from user assbot to user xanthyos: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=xanthyos | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=xanthyos | Rated since: Tue May 13 21:36:26 2014

23:36:55 LURKERSGTFO: mircea_popescu: yes i would like to share something

23:36:57 cazalla: xanthyos, yelling at cops and saying it's going on youtube never helps

23:37:31 xanthyos: i was awake for several days before they showed up

23:37:39 cazalla: unless perhaps trained in the mircea_popescu school of disarming police officers

23:37:49 xanthyos: when a firend of friend on facebook sent them beacuse "afk = dead" when someone's talking about depression to a stranger, apparently.

23:37:52 mircea_popescu: cazalla airport security chicklets.

23:38:17 xanthyos: his name is Dylan Wardwell of Waterford, Connecticut. the cops shared his dox with me so they're public on this statist narc

23:38:33 xanthyos: i am addressing a trauma

23:38:53 hanbot: lol attention hoing moar like it.

23:39:58 cazalla: xanthyos, those cops are standing around like they don't even wanna deal with your shit

23:40:16 cazalla: 15:04 cops is like, i hate my job, i hate my life

23:40:50 xanthyos: i've been unable to watch this thing or edit it down at all for time

23:40:57 xanthyos: the camera stopped recording when it was thrown on the floor

23:41:07 xanthyos: or went for 15 minutes dark

23:41:09 xanthyos: this is raw

23:41:14 xanthyos: and now it's public

23:41:35 xanthyos: i figured out this wally guy in the chat was a bootlicking submissive british male immediately

23:41:39 xanthyos: by his response

23:42:18 xanthyos: amazing how you can assess the statists immediately when you are keenly focused on the specific way their propaganda softens them

23:42:18 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

23:42:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18400 @ 0.00040098 = 7.378 BTC [+]

23:42:42 cazalla: xanthyos, for cop to listen to your shit for 15m, that's a lot of patience

23:43:04 BingoBoingo: http://www.deepdotweb.com/2014/11/26/silk-road-2-admin-blake-benthall-released-prison/

23:43:04 assbot: Silk Road 2 Admin Blake Benthall Released From Prison?! - Deep Dot Web ... ( http://bit.ly/1rmGbUE )

23:43:33 hanbot: lol turns out the evidence was bogus?

23:43:38 xanthyos: they were free to leave at any point cazalla

23:43:55 xanthyos: they were unwelcome at my place at dawn when i was awake for a few days

23:44:26 cazalla: xanthyos, i dunno about you but if i hear a knock at the door, i cbf even going to see who it is let alone stand there an argue for 15m

23:46:06 cazalla: xanthyos, this isn't traumatic at all unless perhaps a life spent wrapped in cotton wool

23:49:19 hanbot: !up therealbv

23:49:34 therealbv: thanks hanbot

23:49:44 therealbv: would someone confirm that ben_vulpes' cloak is applied correctly?

23:50:01 hanbot: ben_vulpes, it is.

23:50:03 BingoBoingo: on ben_vulpes yes, on therealbv no

23:54:58 xanthyos: everything's cvoming to the surface with my new take on life post penile surgery

23:55:28 xanthyos: i'm not drunk, though i am on both a mild opiate and an ssri

23:55:46 xanthyos: i felt it was time to just make it public to get over it

23:56:06 undata: you still taking about your dick xanthyos?

23:56:27 xanthyos: it's a personal experience that i can share

23:56:36 xanthyos: that no one else here has experienced

23:56:48 xanthyos: and it's leading to other old wouunds that need to come to the surface

23:56:54 mircea_popescu: xanthyos i think teh plebs be getting restless, undata's like the third hinting to you.

23:56:56 mircea_popescu: you keep count right ?

23:57:58 mats_cd03: would be nice to have a mechanism to remove voice through an L2 vote

23:58:25 xanthyos: you can just ignore me too

23:58:37 xanthyos: i genuinely thought i was contributing to an extent

23:58:42 xanthyos: at least to the entertainment of other regulars

23:59:09 undata: xanthyos: surely there's a hashtag out there waiting for you

23:59:12 mircea_popescu: well yeah, yest.

23:59:34 mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 there is, you identify the links and bitch at people.

23:59:41 BingoBoingo: Oh, there's a bitbet proposition in the que