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00:02:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22600 @ 0.00050123 = 11.3278 BTC [-] {2}

00:03:17 mircea_popescu: !up okcupidslut

00:03:37 okcupidslut: hey mircea_popescu is http://fraudsters.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/ still open ?

00:03:38 assbot: I'll pay for your tits on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1MQMd6w )

00:03:43 mircea_popescu: aha.

00:03:59 mircea_popescu: put 94fc74e8 on yer maidenly bosom.

00:04:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 141100 @ 0.00050046 = 70.6149 BTC [-] {3}

00:05:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70193 @ 0.00049984 = 35.0853 BTC [-] {4}

00:18:08 okcupidslut: https://40.media.tumblr.com/be11b8853f01fae713b6086d759a43b6/tumblr_nzxvhuWnmu1v0e7i8o1_1280.jpg

00:18:09 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1YH2BdR )

00:18:53 mircea_popescu: ahahaha that's some rearview mirror work okcupidslut

00:19:02 asciilifeform: what is this headless chimera.

00:19:09 mircea_popescu: the problem is you dun seem to have a head ?

00:19:27 asciilifeform: marie antoinette.

00:19:36 shinohai: kek

00:19:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4769 @ 0.00049968 = 2.383 BTC [-] {2}

00:20:12 okcupidslut: ehh, but my face looks like it got hit by a car atm. Aint nothing pretty about that.

00:20:22 mircea_popescu: makes no diff.

00:20:34 mircea_popescu: the problem with headless pics is that well... they'll just get reused later by $randomscammer$

00:21:02 mircea_popescu: how did that line go... #bitcoin-assets is about truth not necessarily beauty.

00:21:12 okcupidslut: ahah, give me some minutes then.

00:21:21 *: mircea_popescu gives

00:34:36 mircea_popescu: !up okcupidslut

00:36:49 mircea_popescu: !up okcupidslut

00:37:54 mircea_popescu: lmao

00:37:55 mircea_popescu: !up okcupidslut

00:38:22 mircea_popescu: dat nordic system and its accomplishments!

00:38:33 okcupidslut: https://36.media.tumblr.com/74d1486c81d76777ab0c38070f89d6bf/tumblr_nzxw8qDQIj1v0e7i8o1_1280.jpg

00:38:34 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1OdZusa )

00:38:56 mircea_popescu: cute. address ?

00:39:13 shinohai: She left. Free tits!

00:39:23 mircea_popescu: lol nah.

00:39:31 thestringpuller: is the ddos machine on or something?

00:39:57 mircea_popescu: no, just, everyone in norway's got their ac on so the power grid goes out.

00:40:25 asciilifeform: achtung, panzers!

00:40:31 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al:

00:40:31 asciilifeform: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-December/000187.html

00:40:32 assbot: [BTC-dev] AWS Banhammer ... ( http://bit.ly/1OdZBUM )

00:40:39 mircea_popescu: okcupidslut what's your bitcoin address ?

00:40:49 ben_vulpes: achtung achtung

00:41:11 mircea_popescu: nice alfie.

00:41:25 shinohai: ty asciilifeform

00:43:43 okcupidslut: 18gA2wFgQzn4ZG397PakxRoYEwktZ28uFz

00:44:19 mircea_popescu: emjoy!

00:44:19 thestringpuller: why all the hate on AWS?

00:44:46 asciilifeform: thestringpuller: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-12-2015#1350912

00:44:46 assbot: Logged on 23-12-2015 02:56:57; asciilifeform: incidentally, zoolag is under heavy and modestly-clever ddos

00:44:58 asciilifeform: this plus the fact that there is no meaningful collateral damage

00:45:03 asciilifeform: because a 'cloud' node is a pseudonode.

00:45:33 thestringpuller: and a node run on hardware in a datacenter is not?

00:45:56 asciilifeform: not normally, no.

00:46:01 ben_vulpes: and you propose to identify all such virtualized nodes somehow?

00:46:07 ben_vulpes: what next, rackspace?

00:46:15 mircea_popescu: no, he just proposes to whack some more obvious ones.

00:46:18 ben_vulpes: "enumerating badness"

00:46:19 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: by no means. but why permit known and exhaustively-catalogued rubbish ?

00:46:37 asciilifeform: presently it is the most pestilential variety of rubbish

00:46:42 asciilifeform: on account of the 'easy & cheap'

00:46:50 thestringpuller: easy yes, cheap no.

00:46:54 ben_vulpes: notrly the latter.

00:47:05 mircea_popescu: i actually support throwing a spoke or three in the expectation of jwz that "struff works"

00:47:07 asciilifeform: when rackspace starts handing out vm to reddit k00l d00dz for a penny/hour, i'll ban it.

00:47:17 mircea_popescu: a lot more of this "oh, you're on aws ? well... you can't do X" stuff is sorely needed.

00:47:22 asciilifeform: ^^^

00:47:31 mircea_popescu: time to turn the tables on the golum.

00:47:53 mircea_popescu: or as that kid aptly said (in american history X), "on the internet, YOU'RE the nigger."

00:48:35 thestringpuller: didn't that kid end up getting shot/stabbed in the bathroom?

00:48:58 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the correct 'non-enumerative badness' expression is, ultimately, 'don't give cpu cycles out to all-comers'

00:49:02 asciilifeform: but we aren't there yet.

00:50:17 thestringpuller: well i guess I'm moving my nodes to google cloud

00:50:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65800 @ 0.0005093 = 33.5119 BTC [+] {3}

00:50:36 mircea_popescu: haha were you on aws ?

00:50:54 thestringpuller: one of my nodes was.

00:51:00 thestringpuller: well the "working" one.

00:51:15 mircea_popescu: honestly, you're better off getting a decent server you actually control for your node than getting a bunch of aws/such crap

00:51:24 thestringpuller: I have one in my basement.

00:51:33 thestringpuller: But it's being obstinent right now.

00:52:09 thestringpuller: I attempted to create an insane robot, and I succeeded.

00:53:12 mircea_popescu: hey, some people gotta get married for that.

00:54:39 asciilifeform: aws ban hammer enabled on all 3 of my nodez now.

00:58:51 asciilifeform: oh!

00:58:52 asciilifeform: and!

00:59:03 asciilifeform: doing this will keep the turd nodez out of the addr.db

00:59:10 asciilifeform: and has effect beyond one particular node.

00:59:27 asciilifeform: isolate the idiots, when they do the kindness of making this so convenient.

01:00:16 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ;;later tell BingoBoingo is anybody gonna qntra the juniper crud ? << If they want to. I dunno if I can do it justice.

01:01:08 asciilifeform: https://36.media.tumblr.com/74d1486c81d76777ab0c38070f89d6bf/tumblr_nzxw8qDQIj1v0e7i8o1_1280.jpg << looks like like... moiety

01:01:09 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1OdZusa )

01:01:20 asciilifeform: and does that count as a legible string ?

01:01:41 mircea_popescu: not all kittens are the same kitten alfie!

01:01:46 mircea_popescu: there's a sack fulla kittens out there.

01:02:05 asciilifeform: 'in the dark, all cats are black' (tm) (r)

01:02:16 asciilifeform: and, apparently, through chinese 320x200 cam also..

01:06:29 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> doing this will keep the turd nodez out of the addr.db << Apparently 21.co is too good for aws <asciilifeform> doing this will keep the turd nodez out of the addr.db

01:06:34 BingoBoingo: https://bitnodes.21.co/nodes/?q=/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99

01:06:35 assbot: Network Snapshot - Bitnodes ... ( http://bit.ly/1PeJp6j )

01:07:29 BingoBoingo: https://archive.is/wcWTZ loller

01:07:30 assbot: BTCC Deploys 100 Full Bitcoin Nodes Across Five Continents | Virtual-Strategy Magazine ... ( http://bit.ly/1Oe14KJ )

01:07:47 shinohai: lmao 263 XT nodez

01:08:37 BingoBoingo: on https://bitnodes.21.co/nodes/?q=/BTCC:0.11.2/

01:08:38 assbot: Network Snapshot - Bitnodes ... ( http://bit.ly/1YH6y1Y )

01:08:41 BingoBoingo: AWS!!!

01:11:01 thestringpuller: 'in the dark, all cats are black' (tm) (r) << or as the negros sometime say. All pussy feels the same with the lights out.

01:16:48 asciilifeform: dns seeds << l0l

01:17:57 *: BingoBoingo going to have to try translating asciilifeform's AWS block rules to pf

01:18:03 BingoBoingo: brb, meeting

01:37:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41800 @ 0.00051015 = 21.3243 BTC [+]

01:41:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39538 @ 0.00051015 = 20.1703 BTC [+]

01:58:47 asciilifeform: kakobrekla et al: zoolag will be going down for ssd upgrade starting now and ending with a few hrs later

01:59:13 kakobrekla: cool

02:11:48 asciilifeform: http://thewhet.net/2015/what-is-a-supermarket << somehow i missed this

02:12:43 mircea_popescu: http://itsnotokokcupid.tumblr.com/post/29832079161/i-just-hope-my-fetish-with-cheese-does-not-disturb << this goes straight to BingoBoingo

02:12:44 assbot: It's Not OK, OkCupid • I just hope my fetish with cheese does not disturb... ... ( http://bit.ly/1NGa2il )

02:16:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66750 @ 0.00051015 = 34.0525 BTC [+]

02:17:57 *: asciilifeform looks at shelf, misreads 'applied cryptography' as 'applied coprophagy'

02:18:47 mircea_popescu: your shelf's fulla shit

02:18:54 asciilifeform: 'tis so.

02:19:34 asciilifeform: there's mebbe half a tonne of horror show in 3-rings just in this room

02:20:09 asciilifeform: e.g. a '90s xerox of the complete works of trofim denisovich lysenko.

02:20:57 mircea_popescu: ahahah but why

02:21:10 asciilifeform: because haven't thrown it out yet ?

02:21:12 asciilifeform: why else.

02:21:36 mircea_popescu: aha

03:27:36 pete_dushenski: ;;later tell mod6 my pleasure and thanks for the correction. i was confusing december 19th entries, it seems. i've updated that section of the trb timeline accordingly.

03:27:36 gribble: The operation succeeded.

03:29:08 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform ben_vulpes et al. i also found an even ~earlier~ mention by mircea_popescu of the "0.6.x is the last useable version" line in the sand : http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-02-2014#499837

03:29:08 assbot: Logged on 13-02-2014 03:43:52; mircea_popescu: the resultant mess is unusable past about 0.6.x or thereabouts, for these reasons.

03:29:57 asciilifeform: kakobrekla et al: zoolag is back.

03:30:09 asciilifeform: now with 4x the disk at 2x the speed.

03:30:16 pete_dushenski: shmancy

03:34:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8216 @ 0.00050996 = 4.1898 BTC [-]

03:35:13 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-12-2015#1353165 << without reading it, lemme go out on a limb and hazard a guess that 'nudge tsar' cass sunstein is somehow involved.

03:35:13 assbot: Logged on 25-12-2015 21:13:38; ben_vulpes: http://www.politico.com/agenda/story/2015/10/obamas-effort-to-nudge-america-000276 << in which the department of statistics completely forgets about the challenges of untangling correlation from causation

03:35:28 ben_vulpes: and yet somehow trb forked from 0.5.3

03:36:07 *: pete_dushenski unwraps present, finds that, indeed, sunstein is the rattle he heard in the box

03:36:09 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: pretty sure he brought it up in 2013 not long after i started reading

03:38:03 asciilifeform: 'Qt uses C++ with signals and slotsxiv to provide a cross-platform application framework for, essentially, illiterate amateurs.' << unfortunately this is not so

03:38:24 asciilifeform: it is the ~only~ remaining working cross-platform native-widget graphic lib for cpp.

03:38:49 asciilifeform: (there is/was also 'wx' but it is a shambles)

03:42:09 pete_dushenski: duly noted.

03:44:40 pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: you know what version was actually released by the phoundation in june 2012, your requested vintage ? 0.6.3

03:45:01 pete_dushenski: 0.5.3 was released in march 2012

03:45:39 ben_vulpes: so?

03:45:50 pete_dushenski: https://bitcoin.org/en/release/v0.5.3 https://bitcoin.org/en/release/v0.6.3

03:45:51 assbot: Bitcoin-Qt version 0.5.3 released ... ( http://bit.ly/1NPwG5I )

03:45:52 assbot: Bitcoin-Qt version 0.6.3 released ... ( http://bit.ly/1NPwDH8 )

03:46:07 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i think pete_dushenski was trying to write a history of trb ?

03:46:24 asciilifeform: (premature, imho, but whatever)

03:46:57 pete_dushenski: bitcoin compresses time.

03:47:33 pete_dushenski: 1.25 years of development of trb is equivalent to multiples of that in row

03:47:56 asciilifeform: l0l

03:48:03 ben_vulpes: anyways, the point remains. mircea_popescu did not select 0.5.3 as the root fork point.

03:48:41 asciilifeform: does anybody else find it lulzy that there are actually 2 trb's ?

03:48:52 ben_vulpes: if you read the surrounding lines (http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-10-2014#885543, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-10-2014#885551, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-10-2014#885552) the technical nature of the question in question may become apparent.

03:48:52 assbot: Logged on 21-10-2014 00:20:11; mircea_popescu: https://codeload.github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/legacy.tar.gz/v0.6.3 etc

03:48:52 assbot: Logged on 21-10-2014 00:20:41; ben_vulpes: ya got it

03:48:58 asciilifeform: and the only fella who's seen both is mircea_popescu

03:49:30 pete_dushenski: one pdp, one unixbox

03:49:37 asciilifeform: (though who knows whether his phriendz who worked on mircea_popescucoin may also be lurking)

03:49:56 ben_vulpes: i'd love to hear how he got the mysterious, yes phriendz, rolled in.

03:50:12 ben_vulpes: mostly to dismiss my own hypotheses

03:50:16 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: they're prlly bound by omerta

03:50:31 ben_vulpes: well ofc

03:52:59 pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: btw didja see the link to your summary of changes article ?

03:53:12 ben_vulpes: oh it /was/ in there the first time?

03:53:22 pete_dushenski: all along dude :)

03:53:30 pete_dushenski: who do you think i am ?

03:53:46 ben_vulpes: i saw material factual mistakes and kinda checked out.

03:54:26 ben_vulpes: did you include a link to my version of the same piece that you wrote?

03:55:39 pete_dushenski: mnope. that one has a larger breadth than contravex trb timleline part i could handle. maybe in part ii.

03:56:12 pete_dushenski: timeline*

03:56:37 pete_dushenski: oh and joyeux noel everyone !

03:56:41 ben_vulpes: well don't get in the habit of failing to cite sources.

03:58:40 pete_dushenski: ok jewmom.

04:01:27 pete_dushenski: ;;ticker

04:01:28 gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 447.33, Best ask: 447.45, Bid-ask spread: 0.12000, Last trade: 447.39, 24 hour volume: 16823.41469156, 24 hour low: 445.0, 24 hour high: 460.05, 24 hour vwap: None

04:02:45 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: another thing. the 'upgrade needed' message is distinct from the turdmeister alert

04:04:46 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: note that the former remains in place, http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp?v=asciilifeform_add_verifyall_option#0711

04:04:47 assbot: Satoshi asciilifeform_add_verifyall_option/src/main.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1QNa3F9 )

04:05:08 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: the latter was the gavinalert thing and i killed it long ago, yes

04:09:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46958 @ 0.00050996 = 23.9467 BTC [-]

04:13:04 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: for the slightly inept, what's the difference between gavinalert and upgradealert ?

04:13:19 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: read the link

04:13:35 pete_dushenski: "invalidchainfound" ?

04:13:45 asciilifeform: aha

04:20:14 ben_vulpes: oh ffs whose idea was it to migrate from 'fpr' to something else in gnupg 2?

04:20:26 asciilifeform: fpr?

04:20:38 ben_vulpes: fingerprint.

04:21:02 ben_vulpes: --with-colons

04:21:14 asciilifeform: vs what

04:21:17 ben_vulpes: (which itself a magical hellhole of stupidity)

04:21:37 ben_vulpes: uid

04:21:39 ben_vulpes: it appears

04:22:37 ben_vulpes: ah no. nm. all my dumb ass.

04:24:53 phf: paste text to b-a-paste, manually post url to log, unless post is in the logs, it's auto expired after n hours

04:26:43 ben_vulpes: more state, huh?

04:28:59 phf: yeah, basically requires you to periodically pull kako logs, but that does close the "open to mob" hole

04:30:50 phf: it's a pretty laid back option though, you're basically accepting as much third party crud as any regular paste service, but there's a gc that ties the whole thing to log, and culls the turds

04:31:03 ben_vulpes: notbad no

04:42:11 assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 750 @ 0.00240888 = 1.8067 BTC [+] {6}

04:45:08 kakobrekla: you gonna keep 100+ megs of logs to save up a few kbs of space?

04:46:36 mircea_popescu: phf iirc dpaste expire in a week anyway

04:46:52 ben_vulpes: you can get it to do up to a year

04:46:56 kakobrekla: by default, max is 1 year

04:47:34 kakobrekla: anyway space is cheap these days.

04:48:14 mircea_popescu: so it is.

04:48:32 phf: i think it's ascii's purity concern, rather then space as such. why host someone else's graffiti, etc.

04:48:40 kakobrekla: allocate 1% of the blockchain size and you are good for many years.

04:50:05 mircea_popescu: this all depends on usecase.

04:50:22 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-12-2015#1353582 >> actually no, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-12-2015#1353299

04:50:22 assbot: Logged on 26-12-2015 04:48:32; phf: i think it's ascii's purity concern, rather then space as such. why host someone else's graffiti, etc.

04:50:22 assbot: Logged on 25-12-2015 23:15:12; asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: part of the appeal of running a 'pastebin' ~is~ the crud dropped in by the mob. for instance, there is a long tradition of dropping 0days and leaked misc crud on pastebin.

04:51:07 ben_vulpes: this is an argument for filtering the seawter for gold.

04:51:16 ben_vulpes: seawater*

04:51:21 kakobrekla: and it makes the immutability depended on assbot

04:51:38 kakobrekla: dependent

04:51:53 kakobrekla: anyway off to bed.

04:52:15 ben_vulpes: wall scribblings meant for the ages should to into deedbot-, no?

04:54:46 asciilifeform: and phf's idea doesn't require any complex state

04:55:08 asciilifeform: every 24h cron greps the day's log for a link to the post, if doesn't find - deletes.

04:55:20 asciilifeform: and anyone can post.

04:55:59 asciilifeform: (if ~does~ find - copies to perma-dir)

04:56:26 mircea_popescu: "Realtime Worlds is the brainchild of Dave Jones, the creator of Lemmings and one of the few people who can claim legitimately to have been involved in the Grand Theft Auto series since the early days."

04:56:27 mircea_popescu: http://www.gamesbrief.com/2010/08/hubris-ambition-and-mismanagement-the-first-post-mortem-of-realtime-worlds/

04:56:28 assbot: Hubris, ambition and mismanagement: the first post-mortem of RealTime Worlds - Gamesbrief - Gamesbrief ... ( http://bit.ly/1IuWIOM )

04:56:37 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how's that different from what we have now ?

04:56:38 pete_dushenski: "The only eyewitness identifications that I can find speak of three white men." http://www.unz.com/article/what-really-happened-in-san-bernardino/ << funny, y'know i also recall the early reports being "shooting by three white men in army fatigues" or some such.

04:56:45 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: we have no such thing now

04:56:50 mircea_popescu: assbot puts out the archive.is thing, if anyone cliocks that, permadir.

04:56:59 mircea_popescu: if nobody clicks, whatever.

04:57:04 asciilifeform: i can't pipe text into archive.is from a shell !!

04:57:13 mircea_popescu: again : you put the link in the log

04:57:17 asciilifeform: LINK

04:57:20 mircea_popescu: assbot creates the archive link

04:57:27 asciilifeform: we were, i think, talking about a 'pastebin'

04:57:47 mircea_popescu: ...

04:58:03 asciilifeform: where i can, e.g., './foo.pl | pastebinatron' and get a link

04:58:32 mircea_popescu: so ./foo.pl curl http://dpaste.com or w/e ?

04:58:34 assbot: dpaste: New ... ( http://bit.ly/1mj4FMJ )

04:58:45 asciilifeform: aha but dpaste is lame

04:59:00 asciilifeform: because 1) not ours 2) not ours 3) mutilates text 4) idiot highlighting

04:59:46 mircea_popescu: ok so then ./foo.pl ssh-to-where-ascii-keeps-things

04:59:55 asciilifeform: no.

05:00:00 mircea_popescu: ...

05:00:01 pete_dushenski: http://www.unz.com/garellano/are-mexican-men-only-interested-in-having-sex-with-white-women/ << heh. >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=16-11-2015#1325393

05:00:03 assbot: Are Mexican Men Only Interested in Having Sex with White Women? - The Unz Review ... ( http://bit.ly/1mj4JMm )

05:00:03 assbot: Logged on 16-11-2015 21:44:59; pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: what about mexicans ?

05:00:07 asciilifeform: because i sure as fuck ain't pressing a hundred buttons

05:00:21 mircea_popescu: dude, just make nosuchlabs.com/pastes/ and pipe to there

05:00:23 mircea_popescu: what 100 buttons ?

05:00:31 asciilifeform: logins

05:00:52 mircea_popescu: so you want him to make you a login because you don't want to make your own login

05:00:55 asciilifeform: no.

05:00:57 mircea_popescu: and you want his login to not be a login

05:00:59 mircea_popescu: because wtf.

05:01:00 asciilifeform: public toilet.

05:01:06 mircea_popescu: so host a public toilet then

05:01:13 asciilifeform: i might, if nobody else does.

05:01:17 mircea_popescu: da fuck namby bs is this.

05:02:04 *: asciilifeform wasn't trying to make the point that this item is direly necessary, but that phf's scheme is specifically the correct answer

05:02:18 mircea_popescu: it is also specifically what we already have.

05:02:18 asciilifeform: because it doesn't multiply the work i have to do 100x !!!

05:02:22 asciilifeform: we don't have it

05:02:29 asciilifeform: unless mircea_popescu wrote it and told everyone but me

05:02:47 mircea_popescu: again. 1. put item wherever you want ; 2. put link in here ; 3. assbot creates the archival link ; 4. if anyone clicks it, it's permadired. if not, not.

05:03:00 ben_vulpes: for as long as archive.is continues to be a thing.

05:03:07 asciilifeform: the 'put wherever you want' IS A HUNDRED KEYPRESS OPERATION

05:03:13 asciilifeform: srsly

05:03:21 mircea_popescu: this is no different from "for as long as ben_vulpes' thing continues to be a thing", is it ? you're gonna commit your life to dpaste ?

05:03:45 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform only because you want a certain standard. and iuf you do, it will be whether you host it or he hosts it.

05:03:52 mircea_popescu: and if you don't, it's not, for him or for you.

05:04:06 mircea_popescu: why do you imagine other people eating involves less chewing than you eating ?

05:04:13 asciilifeform: what the fuck is so hard to understand about wanting a sane version of dpaste ?

05:04:26 mircea_popescu: again : if you want logins, it'll take logins.

05:04:27 asciilifeform: specifically addressing points 1-4 but otherwise identical.

05:04:36 asciilifeform: no logins. just garbage collected.

05:04:36 mircea_popescu: if you want no-logins, you can make an anon ftp just as well

05:04:47 asciilifeform: ftp doesn't pipe

05:04:50 *: mircea_popescu shrugs. this is nonsense

05:04:54 mircea_popescu: wtf ftp doesn't pipe.

05:05:03 asciilifeform: can't ./foo.pl | ftp ...

05:05:10 mircea_popescu: so fix your box then.

05:05:46 asciilifeform: this is esp. lulzy in light of earlier thread where mircea_popescu raged at the notion of having to use a tool to read a contract

05:05:54 asciilifeform: instead of naked telex

05:06:02 mircea_popescu: you want to read the ftp ?

05:06:15 asciilifeform: i want to ./foo | curl blah

05:06:21 asciilifeform: specificall.

05:06:22 mircea_popescu: ok so what's the problem ?

05:06:59 asciilifeform: no specific problem. phf wrote down the solution.

05:06:59 mircea_popescu: put a fucking form on nosuchlabs.com/pastes/ and curl-post to it.

05:07:04 mircea_popescu: sigh.

05:07:15 asciilifeform: (all that remains is for anybody to give a fuck and write proggy. i'm presently occupied.)

05:08:15 mircea_popescu: <phf> paste text to b-a-paste, manually post url to log, unless post is in the logs, it's auto expired after n hours << the. entirety. of. this. aready. exists.

05:08:20 mircea_popescu: jesus god.

05:08:48 asciilifeform: the saving part (archive.is)

05:09:03 asciilifeform: the pastebinatron that doesn't mutilate line endings does not presently exist

05:09:19 asciilifeform: (i'm not even certain that this is possible given browser)

05:09:23 mircea_popescu: ...

05:09:42 mircea_popescu: i gotta try this now.

05:12:54 mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/3EK5TZH <

05:12:55 assbot: dpaste: 3EK5TZH ... ( http://bit.ly/1mj5mWl )

05:13:36 asciilifeform: 00000000 66 69 72 73 74 20 6c 69 6e 65 0d 0a 73 65 63 6f |first line..seco|

05:13:36 asciilifeform: 00000010 6e 64 20 6c 69 6e 65 0d 0a 74 68 69 72 64 20 6c |nd line..third l|

05:13:36 asciilifeform: 00000020 69 6e 65 |ine|

05:13:42 asciilifeform: 0d 0a motherfuckerz

05:13:45 asciilifeform: 0d 0a.

05:14:24 mircea_popescu: $ curl http://dpaste.com/3EK5TZH.txt | hexdump

05:14:25 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1mj5oxq )

05:14:25 mircea_popescu: % Total % Received % Xferd Average Speed Time Time Time Current

05:14:25 mircea_popescu: Dload Upload Total Spent Left Speed

05:14:25 mircea_popescu: 0 35 0 35 0 0 92 0 --:--:-- --:--:-- --:--:-- 179

05:14:25 mircea_popescu: 0000000 6966 7372 2074 696c 656e 0a0d 6573 6f63

05:14:25 mircea_popescu: 0000010 646e 6c20 6e69 0d65 740a 6968 6472 6c20

05:14:27 mircea_popescu: 0000020 6e69 0065

05:14:29 mircea_popescu: 0000023

05:14:31 mircea_popescu: fix your box.

05:15:40 asciilifeform: 0a0d << i'll fix mine when you discover how to fix yours ?

05:15:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54750 @ 0.00051015 = 27.9307 BTC [+]

05:15:48 asciilifeform: or anybody's...

05:15:59 asciilifeform: use hexdump -C

05:16:01 mircea_popescu: 740a 6968

05:16:04 mircea_popescu: 0a!

05:16:14 mircea_popescu: first one's 0d0a. 2nd one's 0a.

05:16:28 mircea_popescu: which is what i put in there. /r/n ; /n

05:16:53 asciilifeform: $ curl http://dpaste.com/3EK5TZH.txt | hexdump -C

05:16:54 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1mj5oxq )

05:16:54 asciilifeform: [snipped crud]

05:16:54 asciilifeform: 00000000 66 69 72 73 74 20 6c 69 6e 65 0d 0a 73 65 63 6f |first line..seco|

05:16:54 asciilifeform: 00000010 6e 64 20 6c 69 6e 65 0d 0a 74 68 69 72 64 20 6c |nd line..third l|

05:16:54 asciilifeform: 00000020 69 6e 65 |ine|

05:16:54 phf: nah, your hex dump is doing byte order rearrangement

05:17:11 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: post your hexdump -C plz

05:17:22 mircea_popescu: da fuck is this shit ?!

05:17:38 mircea_popescu: hexdump -C is like yours.

05:17:40 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you're dumping in native-endian word

05:17:45 asciilifeform: so you got mangled

05:17:46 mircea_popescu: how the everloving fuck am i getting different byte counts

05:17:56 phf: 0d65 740a are the relevant bits

05:18:13 mircea_popescu: oh

05:18:16 mircea_popescu: o brother

05:18:38 mircea_popescu: dude does this shit even work ?

05:18:48 ben_vulpes: ahuehuaheauhuaehu

05:18:49 asciilifeform: hexdump most certainly worx.

05:18:51 *: asciilifeform lives and dies by it

05:19:06 asciilifeform: -C presents bytez in actual arithmetical order (0..N)

05:19:34 mircea_popescu: mk, this requires more experiments.

05:19:42 ben_vulpes: i couldn't rule out curl hosing my experiments, mircea_popescu

05:19:46 ben_vulpes: have fun

05:19:52 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: y'know, let's telnet

05:19:54 mircea_popescu: i didn't mean by me.

05:20:02 ben_vulpes: yes asciilifeform telnet let's go

05:20:15 mircea_popescu: i've had it. two hexdumps. for the love of chrissakes.

05:20:16 ben_vulpes: for what its worth emacs' eww was the most reliable tool for finding wacky line endings

05:20:25 ben_vulpes: which SHOULD NOT BE THE CASE omg

05:21:07 mircea_popescu: 6e69 0065 vs 69 6e 65 [00]

05:21:14 mircea_popescu: nuts already.

05:21:36 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: use -C always

05:21:48 asciilifeform: unless you are doing something exotic

05:22:04 mircea_popescu: "does this shit even work" was, for the record, a very general inquiry.

05:22:36 mircea_popescu: the answer is reallynot.

05:22:38 ben_vulpes: and in the general case, no.

05:24:02 mircea_popescu: fancy that it'd split one word but not the other, also. what a spicy adventure.

05:24:54 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i still dunno how you figure someone ELSE is going to implement this thing for you, but anyway.

05:25:12 asciilifeform: nah i don't expect anybody to implement it.

05:25:23 asciilifeform: i may or may not get around to it.

05:25:36 mircea_popescu: for one thing it doesn't even seem it can be over web. it'll have to be actual files sftp'd or something.

05:25:37 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nobody split your word!

05:25:41 asciilifeform: you're seeing word boundaries

05:25:44 asciilifeform: as in machine word

05:25:47 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's whatg i mean.

05:25:50 asciilifeform: use -C plox

05:26:19 mircea_popescu: it just so happened that the boundary split the 0a from the 0d in the 2nd case but not in the first, so as to appear matching what i put in there.

05:26:32 mircea_popescu: this was one of 4 possible rolls of that dice.

05:26:41 asciilifeform: put more - or fewer - letters, you'll see different split

05:26:47 mircea_popescu: of course.

05:26:48 asciilifeform: it is artifact of your byte count

05:27:00 mircea_popescu: still, 1:4 odds for it to fall this way.

05:27:03 asciilifeform: nothing to do with what happened over the net. it is dirt on your lens.

05:27:20 mircea_popescu: i know this!

05:27:24 asciilifeform: ok

05:27:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18183 @ 0.00050996 = 9.2726 BTC [-]

05:28:33 mircea_popescu: curl http://dpaste.com/2116EDR.txt | hexdump for instance does it the other way.

05:28:33 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1mj66e1 )

05:28:33 mircea_popescu: etc

05:30:02 phf: (drakma:http-request (concatenate 'string (cdr (assoc :location (nth-value 2 (drakma:http-request "http://dpaste.com/api/v2/" :method :post :parameters `(("content" . ,(concatenate 'string "foo" '(#\Newline) "bar"))))))) ".txt") :force-binary t)

05:30:02 phf: #(66 6F 6F A 62 61 72)

05:30:38 phf: so it's the posting tool's problem

05:30:49 asciilifeform: url plz ?

05:30:56 asciilifeform: (of the posted payload)

05:31:10 phf: http://dpaste.com/3WF7P5P.txt

05:31:10 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1mj6byg )

05:31:37 mircea_popescu: lo and behold.

05:31:39 mircea_popescu: i get what he gets.

05:31:40 asciilifeform: $ curl http://dpaste.com/3WF7P5P.txt | hexdump -C

05:31:41 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1mj6byg )

05:31:41 asciilifeform: [snip]

05:31:41 asciilifeform: 00000000 66 6f 6f 0a 62 61 72 |foo.bar|

05:31:41 asciilifeform: aha

05:31:50 mircea_popescu: dude, did phf just fix our boxen ?

05:32:00 asciilifeform: posted without browser

05:32:06 mircea_popescu: i posted with curl

05:32:14 asciilifeform: curl apparently also retarded

05:32:14 mircea_popescu: !rated phf

05:32:14 assbot: You rated user phf on 24-Jun-2015, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: Well read gent in search of a handler. Bureaucrats and mustachioed young ladies apply within..

05:32:32 mircea_popescu: !rate phf 2 Fixed our boxen!

05:32:33 assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/c07a32caa47b77e8

05:32:57 mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.phf.2:50fd9856def1d11892a93952e0dcb21fb8e94057c701db179205a63d866654be

05:32:58 assbot: Successfully updated the rating for phf from 2 to 2 with note: Fixed our boxen!

05:33:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43200 @ 0.00050964 = 22.0164 BTC [-] {2}

05:33:33 *: asciilifeform recalls the great newline warz, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2014#901002

05:33:34 assbot: Logged on 29-10-2014 01:24:18; nubbins`: CLRF IS THE STANDARD NEWLINE

05:33:50 mircea_popescu: lmao

05:34:18 mircea_popescu: o wait he was kidding ? i r disappoint.

05:34:29 ben_vulpes: .net jokes

05:34:46 *: mircea_popescu just realised that in spite of not having a clue he was actually FUCKING RIGHT

05:34:50 mircea_popescu: i hope it burns, alf!

05:35:03 asciilifeform: burnz like sunshine (tm) (r)

05:36:01 asciilifeform: so anybody know the magical --disable-retardation flag for curl ?

05:38:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81862 @ 0.00050801 = 41.5867 BTC [-] {3}

05:40:25 ben_vulpes: not i

05:40:39 phf: what does that produce? curl -s `printf 'foo\x0abar'|curl -s -F "content=<-" http://dpaste.com/api/v2/`.txt|xxd

05:40:40 assbot: Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1mj6qJN )

05:41:58 phf: asciilifeform: ^-

05:42:38 asciilifeform: 0000000: 666f 6f0a 6261 72 foo.bar

05:42:57 asciilifeform: but this doesn't crap out the url

05:43:26 phf: well, that's the relevant posting bit echo foo|curl -s -F "content=<-" http://dpaste.com/api/v2/

05:43:27 assbot: The dpaste API, version 2 ... ( http://bit.ly/1OryrLX )

05:48:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26859 @ 0.00051015 = 13.7021 BTC [+]

06:04:07 ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-12-2015#1353741 << if i'm reading this thread correctly, this problem is directly traceable to tools used to jam ascii into dpaste.com et al?

06:04:07 assbot: Logged on 26-12-2015 05:25:36; mircea_popescu: for one thing it doesn't even seem it can be over web. it'll have to be actual files sftp'd or something.

06:04:34 mircea_popescu: yes.

06:05:48 asciilifeform: !s 0a

06:05:48 assbot: 15 results for '0a' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=0a

06:06:41 ben_vulpes: "For historical reasons, the element's value is normalised in three different ways for three different purposes."

06:06:59 ben_vulpes: oh ho god no

06:07:07 asciilifeform: hysterical raisins (tm) (r) (orlov)

06:08:11 ben_vulpes: Finally, there is the form submission value. It is normalized so that line breaks use U+000D CARRIAGE RETURN U+000A LINE FEED (CRLF) character pairs

06:08:17 ben_vulpes: fuck this

06:08:35 ben_vulpes: crlf is in the fucking spec?!

06:09:08 asciilifeform: nubbins` did warn.

06:09:14 mircea_popescu: !up ith

06:09:43 ith: What year is it, please?

06:09:47 mircea_popescu: U+ bs ?!

06:10:03 ben_vulpes: the year of microsft's victory, apparently ith.

06:10:08 ith: Sorry :(

06:10:09 mircea_popescu: there is no U+000D. it's \x0d

06:10:10 ith: Hmm

06:11:00 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: \x0d in the land of man; u+000d in zimbabwe, in the trees

06:11:02 ith: Has anyone figured out a way to do Windows 10 without being spied on?

06:11:07 ben_vulpes: !down ith

06:11:14 mircea_popescu: !down ahnm

06:11:16 mircea_popescu: wtf is this.

06:11:17 asciilifeform: ith: yes. you stoke furnace with it

06:11:26 asciilifeform: meowmix!

06:11:31 ben_vulpes: excuse me?

06:11:38 asciilifeform: !s meowmix

06:11:39 assbot: 63 results for 'meowmix' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=meowmix

06:11:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35977 @ 0.00050726 = 18.2497 BTC [-]

06:11:46 ben_vulpes: no, the auth timeout.

06:11:56 asciilifeform: ahaha lol

06:12:06 ben_vulpes: what is it? 24 hours?

06:12:11 *: asciilifeform always regarded the timeout as a bug

06:12:15 ben_vulpes: assbot doesn't even give me a useful complaint.

06:12:30 ben_vulpes: interface isn't precisely self-consistent, no.

06:12:30 asciilifeform: aha it just silently pisses on you

06:12:35 ben_vulpes: yes.

06:12:40 ben_vulpes: like everything tonight.

06:12:52 ben_vulpes: fuck computers

06:13:15 ben_vulpes: i am going to go do the dishes, rageclean, watch a movie and bask in the cutefield.

06:13:34 asciilifeform: i'ma go an' read more maslennikov

06:13:38 asciilifeform: best autobio ever

06:13:50 asciilifeform: odd chapters sov collapse politics; even #'d chapters - theorems

06:14:00 asciilifeform: re: block & stream cipher analysis

06:14:04 asciilifeform: UNPUBLISHED ELSEWHERE

06:14:14 asciilifeform: i can see why no dead tree house agreed to print this

06:14:39 asciilifeform: it'd sell... 5 copies

06:14:59 *: asciilifeform bbl

06:15:39 BingoBoingo: line 11 in therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20151225/ban_aws_crud_3755a8bb0800aa9ec6fdb5f840e67d6cca4ac5cc.sh returns nekkin ip addresses/ranges right?

06:25:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17100 @ 0.00050531 = 8.6408 BTC [-]

06:29:34 pete_dushenski: let

06:29:49 pete_dushenski: let's try this russian thing :

06:29:55 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-12-2015#1353372 << "Politruk - a hero of the Soviet Union. You have an empty belly."

06:29:55 assbot: Logged on 25-12-2015 23:57:14; asciilifeform: http://www.sovunion.info/posters/listovky/200.jpg << same

06:30:22 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-12-2015#1353374 << "How is the Politruk doing - as he's pulling down the branch."

06:30:22 assbot: Logged on 25-12-2015 23:57:32; asciilifeform: http://www.sovunion.info/posters/listovky/199.jpg << ditto

06:30:36 pete_dushenski: !s politruk

06:30:37 assbot: 3 results for 'politruk' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=politruk

06:31:22 pete_dushenski: heh. s/ those translations.

06:31:30 pete_dushenski: obv.

06:33:27 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: when would you date these 'german leaflets' ? ^

06:34:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17400 @ 0.00050605 = 8.8053 BTC [+]

06:36:07 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-12-2015#1353478 << how very affirmative :P

06:36:07 assbot: Logged on 26-12-2015 01:11:01; thestringpuller: 'in the dark, all cats are black' (tm) (r) << or as the negros sometime say. All pussy feels the same with the lights out.

06:41:18 pete_dushenski: speaking of affirmative... http://www.contravex.com/2015/12/16/its-not-your-outgoing-us-presidents-fault-hes-a-dumb-monkey-its-affirmative-actions/#comment-37892

06:41:20 assbot: It’s not your outgoing US President’s fault he’s a dumb monkey, it’s affirmative action’s. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1OrAqzZ )

06:41:35 pete_dushenski: !s fred reed

06:41:35 assbot: 5 results for 'fred reed' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=fred+reed

06:42:25 pete_dushenski: thought it rang a bell

06:48:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26622 @ 0.00050605 = 13.4721 BTC [+]

07:11:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23150 @ 0.00050531 = 11.6979 BTC [-]

07:11:38 punkman: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/27/business/dealbook/the-unsung-tax-agent-who-put-a-face-on-the-silk-road.html

07:11:41 assbot: Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1Oeh9QA )

07:12:26 punkman: "unsung tax agent" lol

07:14:36 pete_dushenski: if that doesn't make you swoon...

07:14:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88100 @ 0.00050531 = 44.5178 BTC [-]

07:15:17 mats: I thought of pete_dushenski this fine xmas

07:16:40 mats: chinese people and jews have a couple things in common, including enjoying chinese meals during xmas

07:17:29 pete_dushenski: don't forget to cite ben_vulpes too ;/

07:18:49 mats: i had no idea

07:19:02 *: BingoBoingo successully blocked AWS from port 8333

07:19:03 mats: although mebbe that fro should've been a giveaway

07:21:09 mats: anyway, am in the silly valley and wtf its colder here than boston

07:29:31 mats: http://arxiv.org/abs/1512.06808

07:29:32 assbot: [1512.06808] Game Theory (Open Access textbook with 165 solved exercises) ... ( http://bit.ly/1OeiHKm )

07:34:28 pete_dushenski: mats: well, this christmas you can be thankful that you don't have to contest with other chinese doods in b-a for that little niche (yes, there are niches in b-a, as anywhere else).

07:34:58 pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes and i, for example, have waaaay too much in common (similar age, young families, upbringing, even geography's not ~that~ far off), which i'm pretty sure is what leads to our sometimes curt and unproductive tete-a-tetes de temps en temps as we struggle to tease one apart from the other.

07:35:23 pete_dushenski: thankfully, he leaps ahead of me in coding and rockets (and other things) while i take the lead in, i dunno, travel writing or something, or else no one would be able to keep us straight.

07:35:49 BingoBoingo: I think ben_vulpes might even beat pete_dushenski in the fast cars department now.

07:36:07 pete_dushenski: mats: being the token chinese dood isn't a terrible spot.

07:36:15 mats: lol

07:37:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.00050531 = 4.1435 BTC [-]

07:37:19 pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: i've only ever had one fast car, and it grated on my nerves 98% of the time as 98% of my driving is under 60 kph.

07:37:44 BingoBoingo: I dunno, maybe leave the city every now and then?

07:37:56 pete_dushenski: that's what airplanes are for.

07:38:13 punkman: just need a carplane

07:38:40 pete_dushenski: ;;buy 1 carplane 1 btc inquire within

07:38:40 gribble: Error: For identification purposes, you must be identified via GPG to use the order book.

07:41:23 deedbot-: [Qntra] Warning: "Escrow Service" Goes On Sale - http://qntra.net/2015/12/warning-escrow-service-goes-on-sale/

07:41:38 BingoBoingo: What if you need to go to random farm or mudhole? how many of those have aeroports?

07:41:53 mats: anyways, time to turn it in so I can get an early start on http://eudyptula-challenge.org

07:41:54 assbot: The Eudyptula Challenge ... ( http://bit.ly/1NGu6kx )

07:42:14 pete_dushenski: mats: gl

07:42:38 pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: one word : osprey

07:42:59 BingoBoingo: Aren't they notorious for killing their entire crew and cargo?

07:43:01 mats: first challenge is too easy: print hallo world to kernel debug log

07:43:27 mats: have a good one, folks.

07:43:34 pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: that's what makes them fun ! only a true hero would get behind the wheel of their own personal osprey

07:43:52 BingoBoingo: You mean only An Hero

07:44:03 pete_dushenski: ^

07:44:07 BingoBoingo: ;;ud an hero

07:44:08 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=an+hero | an hero. To commit suicide, regardless of how stupid the reason is or is not. Someone stole Mitchell's iPod, so he became an hero. by 4chananonymous ...

07:45:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49616 @ 0.00050605 = 25.1082 BTC [+]

07:45:51 *: pete_dushenski to lessing. and bed.

07:46:34 punkman: http://en.qi-hardware.com/w/images/7/78/Nano_cola.jpg

07:46:37 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1NGujo2 )

07:58:03 punkman: http://xkcd.com/1621/

07:58:04 assbot: xkcd: Fixion ... ( http://bit.ly/1OekPSi )

07:58:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36800 @ 0.00050809 = 18.6977 BTC [+] {2}

08:22:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59550 @ 0.00051002 = 30.3717 BTC [+] {3}

08:33:03 deedbot-: [cascadian hacker] [UPDATE] WOTPASTE changes - http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/12/26_update-wotpaste-changes.html

09:14:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52585 @ 0.00050487 = 26.5486 BTC [-] {4}

09:18:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68250 @ 0.00050376 = 34.3816 BTC [-] {4}

09:47:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 126529 @ 0.0005104 = 64.5804 BTC [+] {2}

09:48:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 108871 @ 0.00051043 = 55.571 BTC [+]

10:12:02 BingoBoingo: AHA I FOUND THE REAL JUNIPER VILLIAN

10:12:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50612 @ 0.00051043 = 25.8339 BTC [+] {2}

10:12:47 BingoBoingo: how did I miss this turdbaggery previously

10:13:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30047 @ 0.00051049 = 15.3387 BTC [+]

10:21:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18550 @ 0.00051049 = 9.4696 BTC [+]

11:01:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77550 @ 0.00050638 = 39.2698 BTC [-] {2}

11:08:17 jurov: omg dat log... s/pastebin/bikeshed/

11:14:14 BingoBoingo: lol

11:30:21 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes> i am going to go do the dishes, rageclean, watch a movie and bask in the cutefield. <<< https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nf0oXY4nDxE

11:30:22 assbot: Aerosmith - Dude (Looks Like A Lady) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1mjjmiX )

11:30:55 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> it'd sell... 5 copies << yeah, but catnip for some people :D

11:31:31 mircea_popescu: jurov keep going, eventually we figure out we actually don't need it. over alf's dead body.

11:34:46 deedbot-: [Qntra] Juniper Fiasco: Greenwald Complicit In Sustaining Mass Surveillance - http://qntra.net/2015/12/juniper-fiasco-greenwald-complicit-in-sustaining-mass-surveillance/

11:36:20 BingoBoingo: ^ Further deeper takes on the Juniper thing are prolly welcome

11:38:47 mircea_popescu: <punkman> "unsung tax agent" lol <<< "inexplicably, one of like five or six people DIDNT actually turn. at least so far. at least as far as we know. we're not really sure. DEMOCRACY PREVAILS!"

11:38:52 BingoBoingo: Latest qntra also has picture of Greenwald

11:39:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15684 @ 0.00050948 = 7.9907 BTC [+]

11:39:18 mircea_popescu: nb.

11:39:25 BingoBoingo: didn't turn that they know of

11:39:49 BingoBoingo: But of course the tax office would select for the most blindly loyal to the fiat

11:40:09 mircea_popescu: mats> anyway, am in the silly valley and wtf its colder here than boston <<< something about how global warming rearranges hot streams and whatnot. #totally-not-random-climatic-noise

11:40:49 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo either that or the most stolidly boring.

11:40:54 mircea_popescu: but hey, one day he wants to be a lion tamer.

11:41:01 BingoBoingo: Is there a difference

11:43:39 mircea_popescu: in other news, dear chan, allow me to introduce... the blue footed booby. http://cdn.earthporm.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/blue-footed-booby.jpg

11:43:39 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1mjjP4x )

12:00:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28200 @ 0.0005091 = 14.3566 BTC [-]

12:01:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55150 @ 0.00050964 = 28.1066 BTC [+] {2}

12:13:51 BingoBoingo: http://www.increasinglyadequate.com/macppc.html

12:13:53 assbot: OpenBSD 5.8 on a 1999 iMac G3 (iMac,1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1OexIvD )

12:14:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12600 @ 0.00050656 = 6.3827 BTC [-] {2}

12:25:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10700 @ 0.00051049 = 5.4622 BTC [+]

12:28:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25849 @ 0.00051049 = 13.1957 BTC [+] {2}

12:32:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82450 @ 0.00050264 = 41.4427 BTC [-] {2}

12:36:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66580 @ 0.00051052 = 33.9904 BTC [+] {2}

13:49:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40952 @ 0.00050178 = 20.5489 BTC [-]

13:56:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59800 @ 0.00050432 = 30.1583 BTC [+]

14:04:56 shinohai: ;;ticker --market all

14:05:04 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 421.0, vol: 18540.70965603 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 417.811, vol: 10636.5393 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 420.03, vol: 64565.92399074 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 421.21, vol: 0.28972837 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 416.138359, vol: 119160.49820000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 419.03254, vol: 81.58782921 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 422.576, vol: 85.40752718 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)

14:09:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86450 @ 0.00050531 = 43.684 BTC [+] {3}

14:19:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48150 @ 0.00050657 = 24.3913 BTC [+]

15:15:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13702 @ 0.00051059 = 6.9961 BTC [+]

15:22:09 asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://dpaste.com/06339V3 ( https://cryptome.org/2015/12/nsl-under-seal-026-030.pdf ) re: 'national security letters', interesting record of failed resistance through litigation

15:22:14 assbot: dpaste: 06339V3: LORETTA E. LYNCH, Attorney General v. UNDER SEAL ... ( http://bit.ly/1VjGoSR )

15:22:19 gribble: The operation succeeded.

15:22:40 mircea_popescu: ola ?

15:23:52 asciilifeform: aha! thar he is

15:24:52 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-12-2015#1353859 << terrible translation. correct one: 'every politruk you see - hoist him high into a tree'

15:24:52 assbot: Logged on 26-12-2015 06:30:22; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-12-2015#1353374 << "How is the Politruk doing - as he's pulling down the branch."

15:26:10 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-12-2015#1353876 << so cheap is the octopus ink, but so laughably transparent - this idiocy is supposed to make folks forget about the tor 0day ?

15:26:10 assbot: Logged on 26-12-2015 07:11:38; punkman: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/27/business/dealbook/the-unsung-tax-agent-who-put-a-face-on-the-silk-road.html

15:27:35 mircea_popescu: "UNOPPOSED MOTION FOR PARTIAL UNSEALING" seems successful enough

15:28:51 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: but in a very laughable sense where we DON'T learn the identity of the victim OR anything pertinent re: why he was picked

15:29:06 asciilifeform: so they unsealed... what? a portion of the boilerplate...

15:29:22 asciilifeform: this is usg's way of laughing

15:29:40 mircea_popescu: i have no fucking idea why the victims actually go along with this charade.

15:29:51 mircea_popescu: oh, you got a gag order ? ha-ha. heres' the website with the material published.

15:29:51 asciilifeform: vs what? take a pen and poke a policeman ?

15:29:52 mircea_popescu: watchagonnado.

15:30:13 asciilifeform: 20 yrs to life ?

15:30:17 mircea_popescu: yarly ?

15:30:24 asciilifeform: (ianal)

15:30:29 mircea_popescu: "the hackers stole it"

15:30:45 asciilifeform: stole a snail mail ?

15:31:46 mircea_popescu: why snail mail specifically ?

15:32:00 mircea_popescu: "i was keeping backups in the cloud".

15:32:02 asciilifeform: iirc these are typically delivered as snail mail, victim signs for package

15:32:10 mircea_popescu: these whats ?

15:32:19 asciilifeform: 'nsl'

15:32:26 *: mircea_popescu shrugs.

15:32:34 mircea_popescu: they can stand on their fucking head.

15:33:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41284 @ 0.00050822 = 20.9814 BTC [-] {3}

15:33:54 asciilifeform: anyway linked document solely because it appears to contain citations to case law

15:33:58 asciilifeform: in case anyone can be bothered

15:34:43 asciilifeform: but i don't know very many people who give half a fuck re: nazi case law today

15:34:48 asciilifeform: and so it goes for usg's.

15:36:35 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-12-2015#1353958 << mega-l0l, more or less same conclusion as my experience with toshiba libretto in '14

15:36:35 assbot: Logged on 26-12-2015 12:13:51; BingoBoingo: http://www.increasinglyadequate.com/macppc.html

15:36:55 asciilifeform: 'Running Firefox on this machine to browse "modern," Javascript-heavy sites is an excercise in frustration; the 2015 version of CNN.com basically freezes Firefox for 30 seconds or more.'

15:37:48 mircea_popescu: o.O

15:38:29 asciilifeform: and it is fine to say 'use lynx.' so i did. but turns out that you CAN'T GET the box running 'as if it was 2004' when my libretto happily ran freebsd with no lag

15:38:45 asciilifeform: (because the src packages are no longer available)

15:39:27 mircea_popescu: kinda why we gotta shrinkwrap and deedbot

15:39:31 asciilifeform: aha

15:39:40 asciilifeform: i loved that machine. it fit in a motherfucking coat pocket

15:39:53 asciilifeform: you can't buy this now, for any amount of money

15:40:10 asciilifeform: because it wasn't a 'shitbook', had decent display and usable (if with 8 fingers) keyboard

15:40:22 asciilifeform: cost something like 6K usd in '97.

15:43:06 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-12-2015#1353919 << this is a famously unobtainable gadget. (of questionable utility, also. just try pressing those keys)

15:43:06 assbot: Logged on 26-12-2015 07:46:34; punkman: http://en.qi-hardware.com/w/images/7/78/Nano_cola.jpg

15:43:47 asciilifeform: i tried for some years to find a vendor, then gave up

15:45:32 punkman: asciilifeform: saw an indian company that's supposedly shipping, ~$60

15:45:52 punkman: I'd really like something around that size

15:52:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53700 @ 0.00050457 = 27.0954 BTC [-]

15:58:44 jurov: looks like my xperia mini pro (sadly no longer working)

16:11:24 jurov: !t m f.mpif

16:11:24 assbot: How can I be of assistance, my poor man?

16:11:39 jurov: !mpif

16:11:40 assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021522 B (Total: 427.60 B). Delta: -0.79 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.000209 BTC [-]

16:12:13 asciilifeform: punkman, jurov: i have a similar device, 'zipit'

16:12:50 asciilifeform: http://linux.zipitwireless.com

16:12:51 assbot: ZipitForge - Trac ... ( http://bit.ly/1mjzYad )

16:13:20 asciilifeform: http://chainxor.org/openwrt-zipit/zipit-openwrt.jpg << looks like this.

16:13:21 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1mjzZLl )

16:13:28 asciilifeform: and virtually useless

16:13:39 asciilifeform: (even if you can find something that runs tolerably on it)

16:32:03 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-12-2015#1353977 << cheers. and when would these have been from ? wwii ?

16:32:03 assbot: Logged on 26-12-2015 15:24:52; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-12-2015#1353859 << terrible translation. correct one: 'every politruk you see - hoist him high into a tree'

16:32:28 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: ww2, almost certainly in the blitzkrieg phase

16:32:46 pete_dushenski: makes sense

16:32:51 asciilifeform: german authorship, if it isn't obvious

16:33:34 pete_dushenski: it is !

16:33:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60143 @ 0.0005079 = 30.5466 BTC [+]

16:35:38 jurov: lol i'm sure actual germans needed not do anything beyond approval

16:36:04 asciilifeform: jurov: these were leaflets dropped by germany at the front

16:36:14 asciilifeform: there were analogous ones everywhere

16:36:30 jurov: aok

16:39:02 mircea_popescu: iffy thing. bout half the politruks were popular.

16:39:06 mircea_popescu: trotsky was one.

16:39:08 asciilifeform: aha

16:39:41 asciilifeform: one reason why sometimes popular, is that it was a parallel vertical

16:39:45 asciilifeform: or whatever this is called today

16:40:14 mircea_popescu: on occasion worked like a sort of "army union"

16:40:15 asciilifeform: y'know, sorta like the church in the old days

16:40:26 shinohai: node behaviour is much improved today asciilifeform ty

16:40:26 asciilifeform: separate hierarchy

16:40:28 mircea_popescu: had to, after the nonsense of "soviets" that destroyed russia's fighting capacity in ww1

16:40:42 asciilifeform: shinohai: aha! they can breathe! and many more interesting folks connected: cn, ru, etc

16:41:38 asciilifeform: shinohai: enjoy the clean air, while it lasts, eventually the crap artists will find proxies outside aws

16:43:10 shinohai: :/

16:50:28 mircea_popescu: actually discouraging adoption among the welfare horde is probably very useful for bitcoin. it's quite clear that adding nato reich puppets is a marginal loss per capita by now.

16:51:27 asciilifeform: Быдло, в стойло ! (tm) (r)

16:51:42 asciilifeform: (roughly, cattle - straight to the stalls!)

16:59:37 pete_dushenski: !up ryan-c

17:02:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51114 @ 0.00050956 = 26.0456 BTC [+] {2}

17:07:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10650 @ 0.00050457 = 5.3737 BTC [-] {2}

17:11:28 shinohai: http://www.pri.org/stories/2015-12-25/argentinas-outgoing-president-has-refused-give-her-official-twitter-account <<< KEK

17:11:29 assbot: Argentina's outgoing president has refused to give up her official Twitter account | Public Radio International ... ( http://bit.ly/1PoWzMp )

17:12:27 thestringpuller: good morning

17:13:09 pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: mornin' ! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Epw0J45X-FI

17:13:10 assbot: The Niggar Family | Chappelle's Show - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1PoWJDB )

17:13:10 asciilifeform: 'And in this one, she complains of an imminent ?devaluation? in January, which would leave workers poorer.' << ahahaha

17:14:14 asciilifeform: ( see also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-12-2015#1345987 )

17:14:14 assbot: Logged on 18-12-2015 02:21:17; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-12-2015#1345983 << whatever happened to sov ruble-style devaluations ?

17:14:21 thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: That episode is so funny. Classic. "Look at suzie's baby. She's got them niggar lips!"

17:15:09 pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: lol and "i don't want our daughter dating some niggar boy"

17:15:32 pete_dushenski: "not A niggar, THE niggars"

17:18:13 pete_dushenski: "In this tweet, she implies that the new government is guilty of nepotism," << ism-istas ! get 'em boys !

17:18:38 pete_dushenski: what wot ? everyone should have a chance to be top gov officials ! even the homeless bums !

17:19:30 shinohai: lol

17:19:32 pete_dushenski: because homeless bums and black doods who've never been beaten know what's best for this country.

17:22:28 pete_dushenski: ;;ticker

17:22:29 gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 407.0, Best ask: 408.0, Bid-ask spread: 1.00000, Last trade: 407.1, 24 hour volume: 78611.5073499, 24 hour low: 405.5, 24 hour high: 460.05, 24 hour vwap: None

17:22:34 pete_dushenski: boxing day sale !

17:23:21 pete_dushenski: or children selling their btc to buy half-priced winter jackets and... air conditioners

17:23:38 pete_dushenski: y'know, for the global warming

17:29:10 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu et al: maslennikov has a lulzy chapter on how rng for key generation was done (late '80s, imported 'pc xt' in kgb, but no trng naturally). answer: chix playing 'tetris'

17:50:00 thestringpuller: i had a realization today. i would rather bitcoin be plagued with scammers so the idiot "experts" who seem to know what is best for bitcoin would get scammed.

17:51:12 asciilifeform: usg 'expertz' have approximately as much to fear from sc4mz0rz as mountain from mosquitoes

17:51:14 jurov: what? hasn't that happened already?

17:51:39 asciilifeform: (it isn't as if the money they spent were their own, or its supply - finite)

17:52:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8700 @ 0.00050597 = 4.4019 BTC [+] {2}

17:53:31 thestringpuller: asciilifeform: i'm not talking about usg 'expertz' i'm taling about d00d who lives in his mom's basement rent-free 'expert' who is able to convince 1000 other lemmings he is an expert.

17:53:45 thestringpuller: at least if they got scammed you wouldn't have to worry about them.

17:53:49 asciilifeform: wai wut

17:53:54 asciilifeform: i had to worry about them ??

17:54:18 asciilifeform: let the rats feed on the rats.

17:54:18 thestringpuller: i guess not. point taken.

17:54:34 thestringpuller: I would rather have the rats exterminated tho!

17:54:40 thestringpuller: Is there no rat poison in BTC?

17:55:36 asciilifeform: vermin are thermodynamically inevitable

18:02:51 punkman: http://www.pandorawiki.org/images/Pandora1ghz.png this is pretty close to a better nanonote, but not for sale anywhere

18:02:52 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1R1l7Nk )

18:03:49 punkman: its successor doesn't look bad either https://www.pyra-handheld.com/wiki/index.php?title=Dragonbox_Pyra

18:03:52 assbot: Dragonbox Pyra - Pyra Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1R1ld7r )

18:04:45 jurov: dunno. one can have n900 with similar specs and broken modem for free

18:34:11 mats: http://siliconpr0n.org/archive/doku.php?id=azonenberg:butterflylabs:bfsc100f144

18:37:53 thestringpuller: I hate this chart http://imgur.com/jLnrOuK

18:43:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68600 @ 0.00050401 = 34.5751 BTC [-] {4}

18:56:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13350 @ 0.00050376 = 6.7252 BTC [-] {2}

19:02:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12310 @ 0.00050376 = 6.2013 BTC [-] {2}

19:08:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18000 @ 0.00050295 = 9.0531 BTC [-] {2}

19:28:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27290 @ 0.00050316 = 13.7312 BTC [+]

19:32:09 jurov: thestringpuller: why?

19:32:40 thestringpuller: cause people draw causation from correlations when that's dumb

19:42:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45978 @ 0.00050333 = 23.1421 BTC [+] {3}

19:43:46 asciilifeform: punkman, jurov: i can't speak for other folks, but i learned that i fucking hate thumb keyboardz

19:48:09 thestringpuller: http://nautil.us/blog/chernobyls-hot-mess-the-elephants-foot-is-still-lethal << whoa

19:52:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48957 @ 0.000503 = 24.6254 BTC [-] {3}

19:54:02 asciilifeform: look forward to more cia-mole 'stress tests' at ukr power stations.

19:54:31 asciilifeform: see also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=24-12-2015#1351630

19:54:31 assbot: Logged on 24-12-2015 08:51:45; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351451 << i was rather distantly downwind of that. along with most everything else in the civilised world.

19:54:45 asciilifeform: or rather, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351451

19:54:45 assbot: Logged on 24-12-2015 02:11:02; asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2015/12/on-19th-day-of-christmas.html << add the 19 ukr fission plants to list-of-thing-you're-no-longer-down-wind-of

19:55:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48950 @ 0.00050294 = 24.6189 BTC [-] {4}

19:58:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51200 @ 0.00050663 = 25.9395 BTC [+] {3}

20:02:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53900 @ 0.00050294 = 27.1085 BTC [-] {2}

20:02:50 asciilifeform: http://qntra.net/2015/12/juniper-fiasco-greenwald-complicit-in-sustaining-mass-surveillance/#comment-33147 << lulzy

20:02:51 assbot: Juniper Fiasco: Greenwald Complicit In Sustaining Mass Surveillance | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1RLwudD )

20:06:39 punkman: asciilifeform: I don't love the tiny keyboards, but as long as it's not on a touchscreen, and I'm not writing novels on it, it seems better than clunky airgapped lenovo

20:07:51 asciilifeform: punkman: possibly

20:12:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32306 @ 0.00050674 = 16.3707 BTC [+]

20:43:51 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu et al: maslennikov has a lulzy chapter << by now, "cryptogeeks, their ideas of females and trngs" coulod be a book. wasn't it proposed in the logs orgasm noise be measured?

20:44:06 mircea_popescu: i guess the only conclusion possibvle is that su was way the fuck boring-er than ba.

20:44:57 asciilifeform: hey most pc users ~still~ end up with keyboard jitter as entropy source

20:45:00 asciilifeform: not much has changed.

20:45:46 asciilifeform: 'here in the chicago meat yards, we use the entire pig. even the squeal...'

20:49:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 165246 @ 0.00050771 = 83.897 BTC [+] {5}

20:50:03 mircea_popescu: heh

21:00:32 ben_vulpes: !rate shinohai 1 trb scout

21:00:32 assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/f85504a26e483a8c

21:01:06 ben_vulpes: !v assbot:ben_vulpes.rate.shinohai.1:3a59134afe01c07de8fa56f34dd89ab3f3b572c8d9cdae951a8dc812620ca0fd

21:01:06 assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for shinohai with note: trb scout

21:13:04 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo totally gotta get that guy writing articles huh

21:14:50 shinohai: ^^ ty ben_vulpes

21:25:13 ben_vulpes: easy come easy go

21:25:21 ben_vulpes: long overdue in any case.

21:27:01 mircea_popescu: so... not so easy come ? :D

21:27:44 ben_vulpes: some girls, at first...

21:38:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6866 @ 0.00051067 = 3.5063 BTC [+] {2}

21:43:15 shinohai: https://roem.ru/26-12-2015/215917/no-more-google-s-public-dns/ O.o

21:43:16 assbot: Рунет остался без Google’s Public DNS → Roem.ru ... ( http://bit.ly/1JB3T2U )

22:01:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15168 @ 0.00051068 = 7.746 BTC [+] {2}

22:02:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27832 @ 0.00051079 = 14.2163 BTC [+]

22:32:14 asciilifeform: run moar dns.

22:59:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41221 @ 0.00051079 = 21.0553 BTC [+]

23:30:38 thestringpuller: some lulz "1 BTC = 1 BTC is an entirely meaningless statement." in reference to bitcoin being uninflatable.

23:34:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39200 @ 0.00051079 = 20.023 BTC [+]

23:47:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11500 @ 0.00050975 = 5.8621 BTC [-]