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00:00:25 nubbins`: oddly, i haven't received any more PMs since casually mentioning WC's actual job in a post

00:00:28 nubbins`: probably a coincidence

00:02:24 thestringpuller: dude

00:02:29 thestringpuller: expression engine is a fucking joke

00:02:31 thestringpuller: i can't do this anymore

00:02:36 thestringpuller: i'm about to blow my brains out man

00:02:44 thestringpuller: i'll never joke about wordpress again

00:11:01 thestringpuller: :q

00:16:20 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes, et al: i have a working 'u-boot' for toy node (builds as CROSSDEV armv5 on x86 gentoo), working linux kernel built in same manner, boots from nand flash.

00:16:31 nubbins`: fun

00:16:51 nubbins`: 5/5 would help design packaging for

00:18:08 thestringpuller: :q

00:19:28 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes, et al: how it is to work: machine boots from nand flash, walks attached mass storage device list, tests if any contains ext3 filesystem with blockchain therein. if found, used. if not found, device is formatted and bitcoind runs there. runs inside a loop, if oomkilled - resurrected.

00:21:27 trinque: asciilifeform: nice!

00:22:25 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes, et al: missing ingredient - armv5 build of bitcoind 0.5.3 with necessary patches - that is, 100% therealbitcoin-controlled seeds.

00:23:03 mircea_popescu: hey badon

00:23:13 badon: hey

00:23:33 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform splendid.

00:23:52 mircea_popescu: mod6 ye hear that ? :D

00:24:00 mircea_popescu: !up mod6

00:24:22 asciilifeform: also discovered that pogo-4 has a 32kB eeprom full of zeros, unused.

00:24:36 mircea_popescu: what a nice little gewm this thing turns out to be

00:24:39 mod6: ah.

00:24:40 asciilifeform: purchased a second pogo-4 for testing autodeflorator

00:24:43 mod6: was i unvoiced?

00:24:54 asciilifeform: (script for converting a brand-new unit into a weaponized one)

00:25:37 mod6: thats awesome.

00:25:55 asciilifeform: repopulated missing solder pads for rs232 console. very handy for kernel work. i suggest that any of you who purchased a unit, do the same.

00:26:00 mod6: i'll have to pick one up when I get a chance...

00:26:11 mircea_popescu: mod6 yeh just as soon as bitcoind-unbraindamaged is ready... in it goes!

00:26:21 mod6: :D

00:26:43 asciilifeform: http://cfile2.uf.tistory.com/image/1809383A517761BB1B27C9 << where to put

00:26:44 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1LcXTk3 )

00:28:58 asciilifeform: also needed is a small list of ntp servers that can be trusted to work reasonably often

00:29:12 asciilifeform: preferably including one or two controlled by wot folks

00:29:22 asciilifeform: (if not all)

00:29:39 mod6: that shouldn't be a huge problem. bbiab -- we can talk about that part a bit more.

00:30:29 asciilifeform: it turns out that ntp can happen straight from u-boot (bootloader)

00:30:51 asciilifeform: and then ntp client can be omitted from the rootfs itself.

00:31:01 asciilifeform: (why ever run it more than once? leap seconds?)

00:31:16 trinque: I've found ntpd to be a pain on such devices; I just cron a call to rdate instead

00:31:32 asciilifeform: 'u-boot' has equivalent built in.

00:31:40 trinque: ntpd can apparently be told to always update, never give up when skew is huge, but *shrug* never worked for me

00:32:01 asciilifeform: !up phillipsjk

00:32:16 phillipsjk: running NTP more than once lets you compute clock drift.

00:32:19 asciilifeform: aha.

00:32:55 asciilifeform: box boots in ~10 sec.

00:33:07 asciilifeform: so i'm not averse to simply having it reboot weekly or so

00:33:12 asciilifeform: (automatic)

00:33:21 asciilifeform: bitcoind will get oomkilled often enough as it is.

00:33:27 asciilifeform: (until somebody plugs the leaks)

00:36:02 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> (why ever run it more than once? leap seconds?) << One of those coming up soon

00:36:47 phillipsjk: I suggest pool.ntp.org for NTP servers that work reasonably often.

00:37:02 asciilifeform: phillipsjk: we'd like some that are not under nato control.

00:38:26 BingoBoingo: http://www.openntpd.org/

00:38:27 assbot: OpenNTPD ... ( http://bit.ly/1wynM2V )

00:38:30 phillipsjk: Bitcoin tolerates time-stamps off by an hour anyway since a certain popular OS did not support hardware UTC until recently.

00:40:30 trinque: asciilifeform: ah I glossed over "why more than once"

00:40:44 trinque: in my experience the rpi skews clock as some function of cpu load

00:40:47 trinque: shit you not

00:40:55 asciilifeform: rpi is a steaming pile of shit.

00:41:02 trinque: that it is.

00:41:03 asciilifeform: in two dozen different ways.

00:41:15 asciilifeform: 'but it's cheap1111!!!!11!! d3m0cr4cy!!!11111111111'

00:41:39 asciilifeform: 'pogo' - costs less than half of rpi, incidentally.

00:42:17 asciilifeform: and doesn't have dedicated cores running weird, evil closed-sourced blob at all times. or a defective i/o bridge.

00:42:30 asciilifeform: and ships in a (spartan) plastic chassis, and with power brick.

00:42:38 phillipsjk: Cheap is my Pentium-II-350 still in service. (also with 256MB or RAM)

00:42:58 asciilifeform: phillipsjk: neither fanless, nor pocket-sized, nor still in production.

00:43:21 asciilifeform: phillipsjk: original thread concerned experiments with machines that will run bitcoind that fit these characteristics.

00:43:38 asciilifeform: at minimal cost.

00:44:05 phillipsjk: yeah, had to move it yesterday. revised the weight estimate up from 50lbs to 60lbs to 70lbs.

00:44:55 asciilifeform: a machine containing a fan, even one, esp. a plastic chinese fan, cannot be called 'fire and forget'

00:45:35 phillipsjk: I recommend 2GB or RAM for running a node. sounds like you are trying to get that number down.

00:45:41 asciilifeform: 128m.

00:46:40 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> phillipsjk: neither fanless, nor pocket-sized, nor still in production. << The trifecta of want

00:47:16 phillipsjk: Hmm Freicoin is apparently using only like 36MB of RAM at the moment.

00:47:20 asciilifeform: fanless and elephant-sized would suffice in a pinch

00:47:25 asciilifeform: but these, afaik, do not exist either

00:47:29 phillipsjk: Should be possible then.

00:47:58 asciilifeform: iirc mircea_popescu wants to hand these out at parties.

00:48:03 asciilifeform: so must be reasonably low-cost.

00:48:15 asciilifeform: and something a civilian could plug in, somewhere in his cellar, and forget about it.

00:49:08 asciilifeform: incidentally, there is an output device: bicolour led.

00:49:18 asciilifeform: i'm having it turn red once the drive fills.

00:49:23 asciilifeform: or if cannot reach the net.

01:16:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12700 @ 0.00050211 = 6.3768 BTC [-]

01:22:12 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes et al: consider mutilating the version string. perhaps 'Serenissima 1.5.3.x' ?

01:23:08 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes et al: this has more than merely ceremonial effect, as, iirc, there are phoundation nodes that won't talk to < 0.8

01:23:30 asciilifeform: why make it easy for the bastards.

01:34:31 mircea_popescu: making what easy ?

01:35:06 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: splitting the net

01:35:14 mircea_popescu: bitcoin is bitcoin. no need to give bitcoin a special name just because some derps are derping.

01:35:35 asciilifeform: call it whatever name, but assigning a version equal to ancient phoundation release is foolish.

01:35:49 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: was 0.5.3.1 an actual release?

01:35:56 asciilifeform: x.1 - not afaik.

01:36:04 asciilifeform: but existing installations still register it as 'obsolete'

01:36:09 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why ?

01:36:20 ben_vulpes: mkay, well i published a patch that bumps to 0.5.3.1, don't know if you saw that

01:36:58 mircea_popescu: unrelatedly, http://41.media.tumblr.com/a9a17b3d8f01f9aea1069a3cb17bf616/tumblr_mnbga3JTYO1s2gjgzo1_1280.jpg

01:37:00 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1y10l40 )

01:37:04 ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes, et al: missing ingredient - armv5 build of bitcoind 0.5.3 with necessary patches - that is, 100% therealbitcoin-controlled seeds. << pretty neat

01:37:24 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: unstable configuration?

01:38:12 ben_vulpes: anything interesting in the logs today?

01:40:59 mircea_popescu: nothing terribly.

01:41:17 mircea_popescu: !up phillipsjk nah, just tradition.

01:41:24 mod6: <+asciilifeform> call it whatever name, but assigning a version equal to ancient phoundation release is foolish. << foolish because of nodes that wont talk with < 0.8, or foolish another reason? i've always detested version numbering because of "marketing"

01:41:41 asciilifeform: mod6: version number is actually used in the proggy

01:41:48 mod6: so it seems to me, the most logical thing to call this is v0.5.3.1

01:41:59 *: phillipsjk was asking about the pics

01:42:18 asciilifeform: mod6: if we're prepared for the eventuality that only our nodes answer our nodes - then yes.

01:42:33 phillipsjk: I take it the female population in this channel is low then.

01:42:37 mircea_popescu: phillipsjk basically sanity split from idiocy in bitcoin on the topic of porn, back in 2012.

01:43:08 mircea_popescu: see http://fraudsters.com/2013/the-froth-of-our-days/ etc

01:43:09 assbot: The froth of our days pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1y11M2n )

01:43:47 decimation: re: ntp server < to do a good job, you really need a dedicated server to host

01:44:19 asciilifeform: decimation: tricky, this. ntp is quite likely to be the weakest link here. central point of failure.

01:44:22 decimation: ideally one with a low-jitter clock

01:44:32 asciilifeform: without ntp, box has literally no notion of what the time is.

01:44:37 asciilifeform: (there is no battery.)

01:44:42 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not so. looks at prev block

01:44:50 mircea_popescu: box thinks the time is "the previous block's time"

01:44:54 decimation: heh that's a good ida

01:45:00 asciilifeform: one more patch then.

01:45:02 decimation: it will be within minutes at least

01:45:02 mircea_popescu: it's the only way to do time.

01:45:08 asciilifeform: block-epoch

01:45:11 mircea_popescu: all that's needed for this application.

01:45:40 asciilifeform: may not even need to patch bitcoind

01:45:48 asciilifeform: but can lift from file system timestamp

01:45:52 asciilifeform: on blk***

01:46:30 asciilifeform: it is then tempting to omit ntp entirely...

01:46:36 decimation: yeah, you would probably want to average a few blocks & get system time

01:47:02 asciilifeform: timestamp on fs only works if we had the correct time once

01:47:04 ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> it's the only way to do time. << i've been saying there's no such thing as time for a while now, only the length of the longest chain...

01:47:06 asciilifeform: so no good for warmup

01:47:43 decimation: asciilifeform: what stuff needs clock? filesystem timestamps? logging?

01:47:50 asciilifeform: at any rate, this does not necessarily work

01:47:56 asciilifeform: it is conceivable that the node is cut off from the net for a spell

01:47:59 asciilifeform: and then reconnected

01:48:07 asciilifeform: in fact, this is guaranteed to happen during transport

01:48:13 asciilifeform: can't use time of last block then

01:48:56 decimation: why does system need correct time between bootup and say two live observations of blocks?

01:49:43 asciilifeform: simply to lazily avoid making yet another change to bitcoind.

01:50:05 asciilifeform: (ideally, what runs on toy node will be quite the same thing as used on normal machines, but built for the embedded cpu)

01:52:02 asciilifeform: jurov: http://ml.btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source no worky

01:54:30 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> it is then tempting to omit ntp entirely... << i have no idea why it'd have been included.

01:54:44 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes never any disagreeement on that score :)

01:55:06 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why not ?

01:55:51 mircea_popescu: and it DID have the correct time once. comes preloaded with the timestamp of say when we started this discussion. or w/e.

01:56:38 BingoBoingo: <mod6> <+asciilifeform> call it whatever name, but assigning a version equal to ancient phoundation release is foolish. << foolish because of nodes that wont talk with < 0.8, or foolish another reason? i've always detested version numbering because of "marketing" << Propper solution is counting down from 9000

01:57:02 mod6: ya, kalvin has been discussed too

01:57:09 mod6: i kinda like the notion.

01:57:25 asciilifeform: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/d05c03ab4ed23389b1326f9b7c77a8d7b8d6588d/src/util.cpp#L959

01:57:27 assbot: bitcoin/util.cpp at d05c03ab4ed23389b1326f9b7c77a8d7b8d6588d · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1y14SU7 )

01:57:32 *: asciilifeform likes kelvin versioning

01:58:25 asciilifeform: ^ above code will have to be changed to actually set the machine clock ?

01:58:40 asciilifeform: presently it just spews warnings

01:58:47 asciilifeform: and node operates using system time

01:58:57 mircea_popescu: yeh

01:59:06 asciilifeform: that's what i was speaking of.

01:59:27 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> can't use time of last block then << that's where i caught

01:59:48 BingoBoingo: http://www.haaretz.com/news/world/1.639249?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

01:59:50 assbot: Argentine president seeks to dissolve spy agency after murky death of state prosecutor - World - Israel News | Haaretz ... ( http://bit.ly/1zR5HEE )

01:59:50 asciilifeform: can use time of last block on wire.

02:00:03 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: kirov.

02:00:08 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: plain as daylight.

02:00:33 asciilifeform: dec. 1, 1934.

02:01:25 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform guy wasn't some sort of bright young thing

02:01:34 asciilifeform: not necessary for the analogy.

02:02:08 asciilifeform: 1) kill inconvenient whoever 2) prattle on about 'dastardly murderers who must be brought to justice' 3) ??? 4) profit

02:03:14 mircea_popescu: hard to know what exactly happened there. however, there's little doubt this was a ss job.

02:03:20 mircea_popescu: and VERY inept one at that.

02:03:29 asciilifeform: 'spy agency' will be abolished and replaced with another, usg-friendly one.

02:03:39 mircea_popescu: whether the woman was involved or wasn't, the ss should get beheaded and well shook up after this.

02:03:45 asciilifeform: (not a 'sixth eye' by any means, but something like german bnd)

02:03:50 mircea_popescu: mno, the current one is us-friendly.

02:04:01 asciilifeform: perhaps not enough ?

02:04:04 mircea_popescu: that's the thing, cristina wants to behead them.

02:04:10 mircea_popescu: nah, too much.

02:04:59 mircea_popescu: that's the facts of the matter : spy agency is inept (practically) and missaligned (ideally). it has to get gutted.

02:05:10 mircea_popescu: now, wehther the woman ordered them to do a job knowing they'll bothc it, or

02:05:20 mircea_popescu: whether some 'enemies' were inept enough to do all this and just land it in her lap,

02:05:24 ben_vulpes: <coderwill> there were promises of equity but nothing official that i saw (other than verbal) << how does this fly with you people - verbal contracts for a thing with nothing written. when you sign the paper that says "i will work for thus and such" do you not stink the place up for lack of options?

02:05:27 mircea_popescu: or whatever else, all paths lead to the same spot.

02:05:29 thestringpuller: asciilifeform: the private spy networks are probably much more frightening compared to say the CIA

02:05:31 asciilifeform: unfortunate thing is that new spy agencies tend to get made from rubble of the immediate predecessor, and never from whole cloth

02:05:39 ben_vulpes: i suppose you people also don't ask to see the cap table, and when told "that's privileged" don't turn around and walk out.

02:06:05 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's not even the problem. the problem is that argentina has no school, and so either it uses us educated iditos, or else what, get the russians in ?

02:06:26 asciilifeform: modern russians work for pay.

02:06:36 mircea_popescu: everyone works for pay.

02:06:43 mircea_popescu: until they don't.

02:06:50 BingoBoingo: contract hanbot?

02:06:53 asciilifeform: as instructors, being

02:06:54 mircea_popescu: shit, wikileaks worked for pay.

02:07:02 mircea_popescu: there's nothing to instruct here.

02:07:15 mircea_popescu: you can't find five argentines to rob a bank with, let alone do actual work.

02:07:15 asciilifeform: 'argentina has no school'

02:07:19 mike_c: ben_vulpes: option grants must be approved by the board.

02:07:33 mike_c: the company has to do a 409a valuation to set the price

02:07:44 mike_c: their coming, we promise.

02:07:49 mike_c: *they're

02:08:01 ben_vulpes: oh the board doesn't have their shit together with regards to the employee pool?

02:08:04 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: d00d, there are 0 ride or die niggas in Argentina?

02:08:13 mircea_popescu: mike_c ben_vulpes it's a thoroughly broken, dysfunctional and nonsensical model, andja know it.

02:08:14 thestringpuller: there has to be like 1

02:08:33 mircea_popescu: !up NhanH

02:08:34 ben_vulpes: at least they're serious about not trying to recruit the "best! brightest!"

02:08:36 mike_c: certainly. just saying, that's how they avoid granting them on day 1 of employment.

02:09:23 mircea_popescu: mike_c amusingly enough, it's exactly the same process (dressed in different words) that your average romanian inkeep uses to keep the average romanian wench working under the table.

02:10:13 mike_c: i believe it. welcome to life under a thumb.

02:10:54 mircea_popescu: moar like, "welcome to we also use windows, because stupidity doesn't stink, nor hurt."

02:11:19 mircea_popescu: oh gawd if only stupidity could smell.

02:11:28 mike_c: it does smell to some.

02:11:32 asciilifeform: it does. simply not everyone has a nose.

02:11:37 mircea_popescu: yeah. but that's what i'm saying.

02:11:45 mircea_popescu: smell, universally, like rotten brains in the sun.

02:11:54 ben_vulpes: <trinque> #btcd tells me I'll eventually be able to query address balance with just btcd and btcctl... seems like keeping its own count is fine, no? << key word - "eventually"

02:13:41 TheNewDeal: Universe would be too logical if a foul fecal odour were emitted in proportion to the idiocy of a statement emitted by a person

02:15:02 thestringpuller: TheNewDeal: lol, people have organ that makes them fart when they act like idiots

02:15:10 thestringpuller: would make a great south park episode

02:15:20 trinque: ben_vulpes: eventually is also when I'll have a fully synced blockchain

02:15:46 ben_vulpes: ain't it da truf

02:17:24 ben_vulpes: <punkman> [] https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8PQVvEIIAI10Uw.jpg << this is what happens when even knives are outlawed

02:17:25 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1y19rxx )

02:17:30 ben_vulpes: you can rob a place with a...stick.

02:17:35 ben_vulpes: ;;seen mrstickball

02:17:35 gribble: mrstickball was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 18 weeks, 4 days, 10 hours, 47 minutes, and 8 seconds ago: <Mrstickball> they are as well, AFAIK

02:17:41 ben_vulpes: ;;seen the20year

02:17:41 gribble: the20year was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 23 weeks, 5 days, 5 hours, 24 minutes, and 1 second ago: <the20year> i hear they're aiming for a 0.5% APY

02:17:48 ben_vulpes: !t h rent

02:17:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00694499 / 0.00699235 / 0.00710000 (449 shares, 3.13956438 BTC), 7D: 0.00670000 / 0.00690819 / 0.00749900 (927 shares, 6.40388833 BTC), 30D: 0.00450005 / 0.0058294 / 0.00950000 (5910 shares, 34.45176729 BTC)

02:17:54 asciilifeform: who is mrs. tickball ?

02:18:11 mike_c: brother of 20year

02:18:11 ben_vulpes: one of the ohians renting squats to derps

02:18:41 asciilifeform: unlike some of the non-usa folks here, i find it entirely plausible that nobody claimed the free coin.

02:18:57 asciilifeform: as experiment, go try getting a randomly selected street idiot to take a bitcoin.

02:19:22 ben_vulpes: as experiment, go try getting a randomly selected semi technically savvy person to take a bitcoin.

02:19:26 ben_vulpes: webwallets do not count.

02:19:31 asciilifeform: aha.

02:19:43 ben_vulpes: everyone who's inclined is in.

02:19:52 mats: hi cuties

02:20:14 ben_vulpes: everone else...gives zero fucks. and will continue to give zero fucks until usd/btc bubbles up again.

02:20:24 ben_vulpes: hey mats, how're the massachusets sluts today?

02:20:48 mats: indoors awaiting the snowpocalypse

02:20:49 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i suspect they would even refuse a brick of, e.g., iridium. because it isn't gold, they've never seen it, have no idea of its value nor even whether it's a stable element

02:20:55 asciilifeform: because slept in second grade

02:21:16 mats: hell of a grade school

02:21:23 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: when 1200 usd/btc, did they take?

02:21:50 ben_vulpes: some

02:22:05 ben_vulpes: every bubble's going to bring more into the fold. hurt more when it pops.

02:22:09 ben_vulpes: not rocket surgery, this.

02:22:18 asciilifeform: 'took' so they can lose to winblows, or sell at 100.

02:22:34 thestringpuller: the psychology of the bagholder

02:22:41 ben_vulpes: and also "take"? nobody was offering. selling, maybe.

02:23:01 asciilifeform: the psychology of not merely bagholder, but with gigantic hole in the bottom of bag

02:24:09 asciilifeform: every bubble's going to bring more into the fold << trying to make argument that they weren't 'in', but more like the clingers-on one sees hanging from trams and trolleybuses in the turd works

02:24:11 asciilifeform: *world

02:25:34 asciilifeform: say a demented beggar were to print 'stocks' and 'futures' on used toilet paper. for, say, exxon.

02:26:01 asciilifeform: a set of entirely brainless, thoroughly pickled bums - buys these 'financial instruments'

02:26:13 asciilifeform: are they thus 'in' the whatever bubble ?

02:26:39 asciilifeform: fellow using webwalled - is quite like above illustration.

02:26:43 asciilifeform: *wallet

02:27:41 BingoBoingo: Соединённые Штаты Пиндоссии

02:27:49 asciilifeform: aha.

02:28:20 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: bonus points if you track down the etymology of пиндос

02:28:34 asciilifeform: (hint: nothing, contrary to popular notion, to do with pederasty)

02:28:51 ben_vulpes: can't say as i get it. either one owns btc or one doesn't.

02:29:02 BingoBoingo: Πίνδος << The wrong kind of greeks

02:29:13 BingoBoingo: Working on that vocabulary

02:29:33 BingoBoingo: Roughly Idiot

02:30:08 asciilifeform: aha. it caught on, and no one knows (afaik) precisely why.

02:30:24 BingoBoingo: https://images.encyclopediadramatica.se/thumb/2/29/Pindos_1295689810643.jpg/463px-Pindos_1295689810643.jpg

02:30:25 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1y1ckhZ )

02:31:00 mod6: so currently, to set the version we must set this value: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/v0.5.3/src/serialize.h#L63

02:31:02 assbot: bitcoin/serialize.h at v0.5.3 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1y1crdl )

02:31:06 BingoBoingo: The spanish pendejo sounds similar. Not sure if phonetic accident or otherwise.

02:32:11 mod6: and im wondering, if we use kalvin, and start at 9000 (it'll result in v0.0.90-beta) how we can ensure that other nodes won't think we're on < 0.8

02:32:27 asciilifeform: mod6: add zeros as needed.

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02:37:46 BingoBoingo: https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B4%D0%BE%D1%81 << Sounds like a not impossibru explanation

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02:40:57 BingoBoingo: More on the Pindo that called for Linux to quit Linus http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/01/21/yes-i-was-a-racist-and-im-mentally-ill-shanley-kane-in-shocking-social-media-meltdown/

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02:41:09 mod6: so my point here is, without a bigger overhaul to the versioning system; one would have to set 90000 to be v0.9.0, or 9000000 to be 9.0.0, but then what? because we should be counting down. and at some point, we'll cross the threshold of < 0.8

02:41:45 mod6: (900000 = v0.90.0)

02:41:53 mod6: so... :/

02:41:59 mod6: overhaul required.

02:43:06 mod6: anyway, i like the kalvin thing. but that'll have to be something to think about later.

02:44:10 BingoBoingo: What about count down from maxint

02:45:10 mircea_popescu: mod6 a) lord kelvin! there's no kalvin. an' b) just forget about this entire vanity version thing, why do you want to hardfork the versions now ?!

02:45:22 mircea_popescu: let em be, it's 0.5.3 it's 0.5.3 what of it

02:47:29 mod6: i was pretty set on v0.5.3.1 until ascii tells us that we might not be able to be talk to anything < 0.8 -- which to me seems weird.. because i've fully syncd a dozen times, and done send/receive np

02:47:47 mod6: err > 0.8

02:48:06 mircea_popescu: that's nonsense.

02:48:24 mod6: we're getting close to wrapping up a first cut of this thing. so i want to nail down any changes before we get start to roll one.

02:48:35 mod6: any *last minute* requirements

02:48:45 mircea_popescu: anyone's more than welcome to run their own blocklists, which some people do. but the entire network's built on the premise that you can'trealy isolate nodes.

02:50:24 mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> everone else...gives zero fucks. and will continue to give zero fucks until usd/btc bubbles up again. << at the time it was 50-70bux or so.

02:50:46 mircea_popescu: go break into one of these low income households, rape the women, kill the men, ransack the drawers.

02:50:54 mircea_popescu: see how many COUPONS you find. to "save" generally 5-10 bux.

02:50:59 decimation: re: version numbers: what about the knuth model of approching pi or something?

02:51:22 *: mod6 looks

02:52:10 decimation: ben_vulpes: technically pointy sticks are already outlawed in most us states

02:52:39 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> fellow using webwalled - is quite like above illustration. << pretty good one. especially because it happened

02:52:43 mod6: decimation: got a link to something about that, not seeing anything relevant

02:52:45 mircea_popescu: hence the boiler room name

02:53:09 mod6: decimation: they just outlawed sledding too

02:53:13 mod6: LEL

02:53:20 decimation: http://www-cs-faculty.stanford.edu/~uno/abcde.html "The latest and best TeX is currently version 3.14159265 (and plain.tex is version 3.141592653); METAFONT is currently version 2.7182818 (and plain.mf is version 2.71). "

02:53:21 assbot: Page not found | Stanford Computer Science ... ( http://bit.ly/1y1huuo )

02:53:28 mod6: ah thx

02:53:31 decimation: or were you talking about pointy sticks?

02:53:39 mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> can't say as i get it. either one owns btc or one doesn't. << one either owns real estate or doesn't. where does that leave the teenagers, inhabiting comfortable middle class homes they can't afford, and not even having to suck cock for it, like they will a decade down the road ?

02:54:56 mod6: decimation: i mean the pi versioning.

02:55:52 decimation: so the idea would be you approach some irrational number with each improvement (add a digit)

02:57:04 mod6: so like: a]: v3 b]: v3.1 c]: v3.14 ... ?

02:57:08 mircea_popescu: exactly.

02:57:19 decimation: of course one could just store the number of digits too

02:57:35 mircea_popescu: exactly.

02:57:46 ben_vulpes: this is getting out of hand.

02:57:52 ben_vulpes: stop messing with mod6's head

02:57:54 decimation: hehe

02:58:20 ben_vulpes: have the discussion sometime when we're not trying to do whatever we're trying to do this week, mk?

02:58:28 ben_vulpes: introduction of a new versioning system should not be an ad hoc thing.

02:58:34 decimation: re: ntp & bitcoind << actually, it would be possible to get ntp to 'listen' to bitcoind to keep track of time

03:00:02 decimation: http://www.eecis.udel.edu/~mills/ntp/html/drivers/driver28.html < with the proper configuration, one can poke the current block timestamp (and the system clock time when the block came in off the wire) into an ntp shared memory interface

03:00:03 assbot: Object not found! ... ( http://bit.ly/1y1iXAX )

03:00:30 decimation: ntp will use its own math to average & filter time

03:01:37 BingoBoingo: Just have to remember that carelessly configured ntp accessible on the network is one of the DoS amplification venues we hate

03:02:05 decimation: no, in this case there would be no reason for ntp to be network accessible

03:02:51 decimation: it is only used to filter incoming timestamps & maintain the system clock

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03:03:55 decimation: lol

03:03:55 BingoBoingo: Ah cool

03:04:58 BingoBoingo: Just have to make sure the toy node ntp implementation actually holds to that.

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03:08:58 BingoBoingo: Other serious engineering problems https://www.youtube.com/watch?x-yt-ts=1421914688&v=oc9rYaX9en8&x-yt-cl=84503534

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03:17:38 coderwill: hi all

03:21:26 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes> introduction of a new versioning system should not be an ad hoc thing. << or a thing at all.

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03:25:32 TheNewDeal: wow that was a quick follow up

03:30:16 danielpbarron: http://m.bbc.com/news/uk-england-tyne-30946748

03:30:17 assbot: Rape threat found in Gateshead Travelodge room - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1y1q5x0 )

03:30:51 danielpbarron: A woman who checked into a hotel room in Gateshead said she found the words "I'm going to rape you" on the TV screen. Travelodge said it believed someone may have used the TV manufacturer's code to change the settings.

03:31:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48715 @ 0.00050078 = 24.3955 BTC [-] {2}

03:31:35 mircea_popescu: hacking!

03:34:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16300 @ 0.00052854 = 8.6152 BTC [+] {2}

03:40:02 asciilifeform: decimation: ntp shared memory interface << what have you been smoking ?!?!

03:40:13 asciilifeform: decimation: terrible idea. can hardly even picture how to make it worse.

03:40:32 asciilifeform: there is no reason to add linkages from bitcoind to kernel space.

03:40:44 asciilifeform: let it maintain own local time if must

03:40:53 asciilifeform: but as delta from system clock, in userland.

03:41:48 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: there is no reason whatsoever to have ntp client -or- server on that box. question was whether to use functionality built into 'u-boot' to grab ntp time from [somewhere] once, on powerup.

03:41:59 BingoBoingo: Ah

03:42:05 asciilifeform: and what to do it not (or if this results in a wild number due to diddled box on other end)

03:42:10 asciilifeform: *if not

03:45:11 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ...see how many COUPONS you find. to "save" generally 5-10 bux << popular chumpatronic device in usa, but fading on accout of the demise of dead tree newspapers

03:46:04 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: modernized version of this sc4m4tr0n is 'services' where chump pays subscription (xx months Phr33333! l1mit3d t1m3!!!11) to get 'rewards' (coupons for things that he won't use / don't exist / end up costing even more than for others)

03:46:54 asciilifeform: sometimes this is even included as... an employment perk. at some megacorps.

03:47:43 asciilifeform: (it costs employer little or nothing, as the vendors the chumps are herded into using - usually pay.)

03:49:17 asciilifeform: hanbot et al : what tinder's doing is removing the basic requirement of... << snore. i'm thoroughly unconvinced that anyone is having any sex that would not be being had otherwise without this proggy

03:50:39 mircea_popescu: myeah. groupon being an effort to make this into a BILLION DOLLAR COMPANY

03:50:45 mircea_popescu: the sort that could "buy everything in russia"

03:50:57 asciilifeform: that it might more efficiently manage a queueing of women in the city for processing by local mircea_popescu - possibly

03:51:10 mircea_popescu: well that's the idea

03:51:43 asciilifeform: but it's being sold to civilians, and, more particularly, men, and that's rather like pitching captive bolt guns as a product to cattle

03:51:56 asciilifeform: 'be slaughtered by the latest in...'

03:52:24 mircea_popescu: i thought it was being mostly sold to gals.

03:52:37 *: asciilifeform has no idea, pontificating using anal rng

04:00:51 decimation: asciilifeform: 'kernel space' < do you mean the shared memory api?

04:10:18 TheNewDeal: didn't realize it, but apparently it's possible to declare a snow emergency in the euniched states and make it illegal for anyone other than police and medical personell to use the streets

04:10:26 decimation: !up McNumpty

04:13:54 BingoBoingo: That's a fucking tiny moon http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--_upL2BKv--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/qjkzwgw6gytdeocsxxod.gif

04:13:56 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/15Fmr3Y )

04:15:54 decimation: rare actual reporting in us media: http://arstechnica.com/business/2014/08/comcast-donations-help-company-secure-support-of-time-warner-cable-merger/ < "Both the Democratic Governors Association and Pennsylvania State Mayors’ Association pointed to Comcast’s Internet Essentials program that provides $10-per-month Internet access to low-income families. Comcast agreed to create the program in order to secure approval of its 2011

04:15:55 assbot: Comcast donations help company secure support for Time Warner Cable merger | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/15FmVqT )

04:15:55 decimation: acquisition of NBCUniversal."

04:18:16 asciilifeform: decimation: there's no reason to actually set the system clock from bitcoind, on account of it being the only proggy on the box that needs absolute time.

04:19:49 asciilifeform: decimation: comcast... internet essentials... $10-per-month << obligatory >> http://www.loper-os.org/?p=208

04:19:51 assbot: Loper OS » “The Internet of the Future” ... ( http://bit.ly/15FnWzm )

04:21:31 mats: I'm disappointed that The Imitation Game didn't go with the murder theory

04:21:43 mats: but overall 8/10

04:23:18 decimation: asciilifeform: doesn't bitcoind occasionally need wallclock time for its orphan & 'peak' algorithms?

04:23:45 asciilifeform: decimation: it - yes. but nothing else on the box.

04:24:53 TheNewDeal: damn ascii, that was in 2010?

04:25:48 asciilifeform: TheNewDeal: picture was drawn (not by me) even earlier.

04:26:05 asciilifeform: iirc circa '07, at the latest

04:26:11 mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal how about that! i knew katrina was a floor not a top.

04:26:30 decimation: asciilifeform: I suppose just setting the clock based on the timestamp of the last block seen on bootup isn't such a bad idea

04:26:31 EPiSKiNG-: woot

04:27:36 asciilifeform: decimation: not the actual (kernel) clock. bitcoind's local delta (which does not presently exist, but must be added in)

04:28:05 decimation: asciilifeform: how does bitcoind maintain a wallclock without the kernel's clock?

04:29:18 asciilifeform: decimation: easy. delta from system clock.

04:29:25 decimation: oh I see duh

04:31:13 decimation: yeah that's much simpler than gluing ntp centrifugal governor on top :)

04:33:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37450 @ 0.00053169 = 19.9118 BTC [+] {2}

04:33:29 TheNewDeal: Mircea are you referring to the hurricane?

04:34:53 decimation: asciilifeform: re: $10-per-month-internet < yeah, except it's even more insideous - if you are the 'right kind of people', you get the deal, otherwise you get the full monopoly

04:35:10 TheNewDeal: Somehow that flew over my head, not sure if it was because I'm thinking floor(x), ceiling(x)?

04:35:17 mircea_popescu: hey there EPiSKiNG-

04:35:24 EPiSKiNG-: howdy

04:35:30 EPiSKiNG-: glad to be here

04:35:31 EPiSKiNG-: :)

04:35:38 mircea_popescu: hehe

04:36:35 decimation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpAOwJvTOio

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04:37:04 mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal yes i am.

04:37:13 mircea_popescu: first time the bs "state owns the road" started afaik.

04:37:17 BingoBoingo: lol http://fraudsters.com/2015/the-strange-case-of-the-woodcollector-and-other-stories/#comment-111747

04:37:18 assbot: The strange case of the WoodCollector and other stories. pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/15FsMwo )

04:38:33 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform usg still working on hardforking the internet, huh ?

04:39:04 mircea_popescu: in other news, npt : http://33.media.tumblr.com/da4bd26592ced78f77038d8abe0e627b/tumblr_mom5a2IkFe1ra163eo4_250.gif

04:39:06 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/15Ftaem )

04:39:18 mircea_popescu: http://33.media.tumblr.com/ac5cee9e293a95664a2b15f083ad7f8f/tumblr_mom5a2IkFe1ra163eo3_r1_500.gif

04:39:21 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/15FteuE )

04:39:31 asciilifeform: ^ lol!!

04:40:56 mod6: haha

04:43:36 asciilifeform: usg still working on hardforking the internet << it can't ever stop, until dies. burned into its bios, or sumthinglikethat

04:45:42 decimation: note that usg accomplishes bifurcating the internet without actually writing down any law

04:46:07 decimation: 'they will do it if they know what's good for them'

04:46:33 asciilifeform: much of the daily contact between usg and subjects has not the remotest thing to do with laws

04:46:48 asciilifeform: microshit, for instance, is in every way - other than law - a ministry of usg

04:46:55 asciilifeform: likewise the credit bureaus

04:47:02 asciilifeform: and a hundred other organizations.

04:47:08 asciilifeform: most, nominally 'private'

04:47:38 decimation: they all exist under the heading of some usg fiat or another, mostly from fdr days

04:48:39 asciilifeform: a somewhat arbitrary example - lexis nexis.

04:49:25 asciilifeform: try practicing law (or even doing any serious legal/political scholarship) in usa without it.

04:50:42 decimation: asciilifeform: not only that, lexis nexis (and like entities) even 'own' most legal codes in the us

04:50:59 decimation: your local city or state pays them to publish

04:51:05 asciilifeform: aha.

04:51:07 asciilifeform: hence example.

04:51:13 mod6: We regret to inform you that your republic has termites.

04:53:47 BingoBoingo: afaik Westlaw/Lexis actually hire minions to go to the courthouses to pickup and scan paper records

04:53:59 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform re the "private", chris ballas had an excellent piece.

04:54:06 mircea_popescu: "yes, it means you don't get a pension".

04:54:15 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: yes, that one.

04:54:33 asciilifeform: he was speaking of the ants, rather than the elephants, however.

04:54:35 mircea_popescu: mod6 has it eh.

04:55:00 mircea_popescu: but meanwhile, everyone's over at burning man http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_logy0eAolo1qc2yxpo1_500.jpg

04:55:02 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/15FxiuI )

04:55:22 decimation: I was talking with a guy who was in korea in the early 90's. at that time, you could easily find someone to custom tailor your entire wardrobe for a low $$ price. he recently returned there and found no one bothers with that anymore

04:56:22 decimation: similarly, usg civil servants don't find much reason to bother with actual work, when coolies will do - often for free

04:56:44 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: That's not burning man, that is clearly the middle west.

04:57:17 mircea_popescu: same thing.

05:02:36 mircea_popescu: "The system not only pays poor people, it employs lots and lots of almost poor people. I'm not saying this is a good thing, or a desirable thing, I am simply stating a fact. Some of these are direct government jobs (e.g. staff down at the SSI office) and some are pretend private sector jobs. If you're a psychiatrist at an inner city clinic, you may think you're an independent contractor, but you're really working for T

05:02:36 mircea_popescu: he Man (but with no pension.) That's the system. Cut SSI payments and those docs-- and nurses and etc-- don't get paid."

05:02:38 mircea_popescu: there we go.

05:02:43 asciilifeform: yes, that one.

05:02:52 mircea_popescu: you know he deleted the original ?

05:02:56 asciilifeform: wait srsly ?

05:03:00 *: asciilifeform read it years ago

05:03:02 mircea_popescu: afaik http://fraudsters.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/tlp.html only surviving copy.

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05:03:04 TheNewDeal: bingo are you saying middle west because of the woman's size, or the foliage?

05:03:16 mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal i agreed because of the item collection.

05:04:26 trinque: could be louisiana... could be florida...

05:04:45 trinque: it's not as though they confine those things to a single state

05:04:55 BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: foilage, trashiness of the dudes, vehicles, and woman's size.

05:05:01 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: he ever say, why deleted ?

05:05:15 mircea_popescu: some unspecified drama, but now.

05:05:17 mircea_popescu: no*

05:06:06 mircea_popescu: http://40.media.tumblr.com/36d94cf3f168d88c055c81ec4a049b7b/tumblr_mnq8fhzIZ41s9ip0zo1_500.jpg << where is this one then ?

05:06:07 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1yXiT9q )

05:07:01 TheNewDeal: this article is golden

05:07:44 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Not sure, but seems more civilized.

05:07:58 BingoBoingo: Important things clearly labeled there

05:08:12 decimation: m. danton's sans-culottes didn't need laws or instructions to know who their enemies were and what to do

05:08:39 mats: http://dockets.justia.com/docket/circuit-courts/ca4/08-6324 << a brief amusement. someone with the surname Merica gave their son a middle name beginning with A.

05:08:40 assbot: US v. Rickey Merica :: Justia Dockets & Filings ... ( http://bit.ly/1yXj8By )

05:09:07 mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal most of what the man ever writes is golden. and unlike derps like moldbug or orlov, he a) isn't putting annoyingly self-advertising and b) doesn't actually have a pro-state agenda

05:09:36 mircea_popescu: decimation on one hand yes they did, on the other hand they fucked it all up.

05:10:09 TheNewDeal: Is this the same programmer guy who had psychiatric problems?

05:10:27 mats: i was under the impression most here believed the fracture of the Internet as it is now is inevitable

05:10:28 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: mr mold started with a very different kind of 'state agenda' (poorly articulated desire to... resurrect the stuart kings) and ended with... andreesen horowitz

05:10:28 mircea_popescu: http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2011/07/the_terrible_awful_truth_about_3.html << also pretty good.

05:10:30 assbot: The Last Psychiatrist: The Terrible, Awful Truth About The Debt Ceiling ... ( http://bit.ly/1yXjnwc )

05:10:34 mircea_popescu: no, he's a clinician afaik

05:10:36 TheNewDeal: I remember someone giving a blog before that was almost always on psychiatric issues

05:10:59 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the stuarts of all people ?!

05:11:24 TheNewDeal: I even remember some of the memorabilia on his website that had some catchy pschiatric puns on them

05:11:27 asciilifeform: afaik it was an example. he wanted to somehow bring the pre-ww1 dynasties back.

05:11:30 asciilifeform: cargo cult.

05:11:41 asciilifeform: but at least started with vaguely correct cargo.

05:12:07 TheNewDeal: BingoBoingo do you have any clue what blog I'm talking about? You may have referenced him before

05:13:12 BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: Not at the moment. Maybe you can be more specific.

05:13:24 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: fact is, mr mold was not always a whore; iirc, he did run out of money, and descended into whoring from lack of a plan

05:14:03 TheNewDeal: The guy had some of the most advanced discussions on anti-depressants and anti-psychotics that i'd seen before on a blog

05:14:05 asciilifeform: quite likely somebody conveniently 'happened' to be near, to ease him onto the cock

05:14:32 BingoBoingo: Cake http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--_yIi1q34--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/18unn3fork504jpg.jpg

05:14:33 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1yXjUhO )

05:14:44 mircea_popescu: well i only paid attention for a shoirt time and late on

05:15:05 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 90+% of the 'good' mold is from '07-'10

05:15:21 BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: this post look familiar? http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2007/07/the_most_important_article_on.html

05:15:23 assbot: The Last Psychiatrist: The Most Important Article On Psychiatry You Will Ever Read ... ( http://bit.ly/1yXk34Z )

05:15:56 BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: With the rum fountain?

05:16:16 asciilifeform: mr mold's audience is not mircea_popescu but rather an intelligent student from somewhere in usa with some curiosity about 20th century but no knowledge of euro languages and only a faint idea of civilization

05:16:52 mircea_popescu: i am deeply suspicious of segmented audiences.

05:17:04 decimation: because it's quite possible to graduate from high school in the us without actually learning anything about civilization or languages

05:17:07 asciilifeform: inevitably, this is an unappetizing product if you aren't the target. like a chinese motorcycle, belching black devil smoke as it goes at 20k/hr

05:17:16 asciilifeform: if your last car was an ox - great.

05:17:37 mircea_popescu: "So it is inevitable that a deal will be struck by August 2, because that deal doesn't actually mean anything. This a is husband and wife arguing about rebalancing the household budget, each pretending they aren't going to pay the electric until he's agreed to cut back on beer and she's agreed not to be such a bitch. Whether they do it or not is irrelevant, the electric's still getting paid. The electric always gets

05:17:37 mircea_popescu: paid, it has to, we need it for the chairs."

05:17:38 mircea_popescu: win.

05:18:03 TheNewDeal: hmm it's not looking entirely familiar but I'm going to have to page through it.

05:18:18 asciilifeform: steve dutch had an almost identical explanation of same

05:18:27 asciilifeform: it's reasonably common knowledge in usa

05:18:33 mircea_popescu: reading that whole site's never been a bad use of anyone's time

05:18:34 asciilifeform: (the basic mechanics)

05:18:36 mircea_popescu: cheaper than fraudsters, too

05:18:43 *: asciilifeform read

05:18:59 decimation: I remember when moldbug put up his first 'begging' post - it was obvious the gig was up

05:19:17 *: asciilifeform got into reading tlp when was on the wild ragged outskirts of pharma racket

05:19:48 asciilifeform: (usg lab)

05:20:32 asciilifeform: decimation: he said what i believe was the truth in that post - ran out of money, given as his winnings from 'dotcom' idiocy were not enough to live an entire life as a cultured man, but only about a decade

05:20:50 asciilifeform: 'even with plenty of fairly successful precious metal speculation' were, iirc, his words

05:21:32 asciilifeform: i'm not in a position to say what he ought to have done instead of, well, what he did.

05:22:32 mircea_popescu: most of the women i pick up manage to live their lives and pay their rents without any dotcom gifts or "speculation".

05:22:44 asciilifeform: they aren't trying to live as cultured man.

05:22:51 mircea_popescu: whatever that means.

05:22:58 asciilifeform: mr mold's example was, if i recall, his '300/mo. book bill'

05:23:46 mircea_popescu: this entire discussion is about 50k worth of wood pulp ?!

05:24:13 asciilifeform: ask him how he blew his load

05:24:17 asciilifeform: i have only a faint clue

05:24:45 asciilifeform: for example, we know that he decided to have not one but even two childre

05:24:46 asciilifeform: n

05:24:52 asciilifeform: while 'running out of money'

05:24:53 decimation: well, buying real estate near san francisco was probably his first mistake

05:24:55 mircea_popescu: i thought we were discussing an abstract model of "the cultured man"

05:25:09 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i doubt the man decided anything in there.

05:25:23 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: he presumably picked wife, rather than being issued one

05:25:25 asciilifeform: as in the army joke

05:25:30 mircea_popescu: odds are, woman decided to have children, his choice was whether to pay a lawyer AND the woman orjust the woman.

05:25:42 mircea_popescu: i know very few us men that pick wife.

05:25:47 asciilifeform: 'sapper errs twice, once when choosing profession'

05:25:49 TheNewDeal: BingoBoingo this definitely is one of the article I was reading > I remember seeing the receptors lined up as a fountain

05:26:11 mircea_popescu: generally, the sort of overgrown boy that doesn't shoot his own horse is in no position to pick anything. woman picks like at the fair.

05:26:28 BingoBoingo: The Rum fountain. No author appears to be a forensic pyschiatrist as he self describes.

05:26:38 asciilifeform: back to 'cultured man' - i'd say that living 'life of the mind' in usa is not cheap. regardless of what kind of hero you might be. a dwelling without random bozos sharing it, for instance, is $xxxx/mo.

05:27:18 asciilifeform: anywhere, afaik, in usa, but the wildest wolf forest or the meanest urban ash heap

05:27:30 mircea_popescu: by the way : is the vc circus of the belief that the well proven, on the courthouse record, role of one of the "big four" accounting companies in asset inflation and bubble pumping has been forgotten ?

05:27:48 mircea_popescu: rethorical question, not for they present, but for the absent if avid readers.

05:28:04 asciilifeform: arthur anderson ?

05:28:08 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in ohio ? $300.

05:28:14 asciilifeform: ohio - wolf

05:28:28 decimation: lol even in ohio a place near civilization is around $1000

05:28:28 mircea_popescu: ;;google Arthur Anderson enron accounting scandal

05:28:29 gribble: Arthur Andersen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Andersen; Enron scandal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enron_scandal; Arthur Anderson Auditors and Enron: What happened to their Texas ...: http://www.aabri.com/manuscripts/11899.pdf

05:28:39 mircea_popescu: decimation civilisation comes out of a utp cable.

05:28:44 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: everybody remembers arthur anderson

05:28:52 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if only!

05:29:02 decimation: utp - cannot eat

05:29:08 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'm paying 'book bill' that isn't that much lower than mr mold

05:29:42 asciilifeform: library subscription, even (they are as we speak sc4mz0r1ing nickel&dime by pretending a certain volume was not returned. mega-lol)

05:29:57 asciilifeform: not everything is on the net. this is a fact.

05:30:08 decimation: asciilifeform: you can go down to the library of congress physically

05:30:18 asciilifeform: in certain professions one does not have the luxury of arbitrarily proclaiming 'if not on the net, doesn't exist'

05:30:30 asciilifeform: decimation: time is money

05:31:04 asciilifeform: sitting in loc with spy camera - laborious.

05:31:08 BingoBoingo: LoC does not lend

05:31:12 asciilifeform: aha.

05:31:19 asciilifeform: see above.

05:31:26 decimation: heh do they even allow cameras? or do you have to be sneaky?

05:31:50 asciilifeform: officially, most academic libraries in usa forbid private cameras.

05:32:02 asciilifeform: i've never heard of anyone being thrown out for having one as of yet.

05:32:26 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform cultured right ?

05:32:27 asciilifeform: esp. in the age of the Pnohe

05:32:42 *: asciilifeform tries for cultured

05:32:57 mircea_popescu: well look. this is like playing patanque in a boat.

05:33:16 mircea_popescu: so, if "cultured man" is some sort of scholarly gentleman, then one needs some rather commonly available books.

05:33:28 asciilifeform: neh i ought to have been more specific.

05:33:51 asciilifeform: what i meant was, someone whose primary avocation is thinking. and yes, it is possible to do this in a forest, in log cabin, like unabomber.

05:33:59 asciilifeform: but not typical.

05:35:02 BingoBoingo: http://news.slashdot.org/story/15/01/27/0125221/davos-2015-less-innovation-more-regulation-more-unrest-run-away

05:35:03 assbot: Davos 2015: Less Innovation, More Regulation, More Unrest. Run Away! - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1yXmpkj )

05:35:14 asciilifeform: at any rate, it isn't about the bookz.

05:36:17 asciilifeform: price other, more mundane things, in usa. like 'have 100+ m^2 dwelling to yourself, with climate control, one that isn't falling apart'

05:36:24 asciilifeform: 'eat non-recycled food'

05:36:28 asciilifeform: 'sleep ad libitum'

05:36:36 *: asciilifeform can't even afford ^ yet

05:37:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14500 @ 0.00053193 = 7.713 BTC [+] {2}

05:37:23 asciilifeform: 'sleep ad libitum' costs ~100kusd+ of specifically -non-wage- income, for example.

05:42:19 decimation: asciilifeform: for 'passive investments' available to the public, that implies a net worth of > $3 mil

05:42:24 asciilifeform: at least.

05:42:38 asciilifeform: add a zero if you want complete isolation from economic reality

05:42:52 asciilifeform: add two zeros if going for total isolation including expatriation on a day's notice

05:42:56 decimation: of course, in an account that isn't locked away by some deal with usg re: taxes

05:43:12 mats: BingoBoingo: at a later date, i'd like some assistance with reviewing and rating materials from the courts-circus project. would you be interested?

05:43:14 asciilifeform: goes without saying when said 'income'

05:43:24 asciilifeform: chump money that you 'have' somewhere - is not income.

05:44:05 BingoBoingo: mats: Maybe. Still experiencing brainrot for IRL reddit this weekend so am hesitant to make commitments atm.

05:45:03 asciilifeform: http://www.irky.org/home/pogoplug_jtag << jtag pinouts for 'pogo'. he has a v2 (not 4) but pinout is same.

05:45:04 assbot: pogoplug_jtag - Irky ... ( http://bit.ly/1yXnHM8 )

05:46:16 decimation: asciilifeform: does it have a header already installed (v4)?

05:46:20 BingoBoingo: mats: I'll probably be amenable to assisting though.

05:46:22 asciilifeform: decimation: nope.

05:46:49 asciilifeform: decimation: it isn't standard (2.54mm) pitch, either.

05:47:14 asciilifeform: just solder on naked wires with pinsockets on other end and be done with it.

05:47:15 *: asciilifeform did

05:47:37 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> but not typical. << so much bs. looky here : henry miller did just fine, bumming bowls of soup.

05:47:49 asciilifeform: yes, diogenes did fine in barrel.

05:47:58 asciilifeform: to demand that every thinker be diogenes ?!

05:48:04 mircea_popescu: because back then the average american understood himself as a peniless tramp, that's fortunate to even be allowed in europe at all.

05:48:26 mircea_popescu: seems a lot more productive. the exiled russian thinkers did pretty good in ny. a lot better, at any rate, than the nysu "professors"

05:48:40 asciilifeform: heaviside, for instance, couldn't really think without standing next to a monstrous roaring gas flame (he actually had to smash a pipe)

05:48:56 mircea_popescu: aha.

05:48:59 asciilifeform: ask him to go in barrel, sure.

05:49:23 asciilifeform: ask j.c.maxwell to give up his horse and hunting ground.

05:49:26 mats: BingoBoingo: ok.

05:49:33 asciilifeform: still equations? maybe yes. maybe no.

05:49:47 ben_vulpes: https://github.com/mame/quine-relay

05:49:48 assbot: mame/quine-relay · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1yXoht9 )

05:49:48 asciilifeform: ask lord kelvin to work for a living, while at it.

05:50:07 mircea_popescu: so the problem here is thjat some peniless tramp gave himself a lordship that he then couldn't finance ?

05:50:17 mircea_popescu: seems rather the opposite of either cultured or man.

05:50:35 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: think of it this way. space probe has radiotherm battery.

05:50:42 asciilifeform: it's good for ~30 years. after that - brick.

05:50:51 asciilifeform: 'it gave itself a lordship it couldn't finance' ?

05:51:23 mircea_popescu: quite.

05:52:01 asciilifeform: if i could live like, e.g., taleb, for 20 years, with the understanding of being impaled after - i would. i don't particularly need being fifty for anything.

05:52:01 mircea_popescu: mats: its hilarious that anyone wanted to pay so much as 1mn for blockchain.info << you are thinking money as in, someone earned / saved these. that's not what's happening there : they're spending money that was simply created by yellen / conjured up by accounting fraud / etc.

05:52:06 mircea_popescu: these two are incomparable.

05:52:30 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that is where we differ. i would live like no man, and i would impale anyone trying.

05:52:32 decimation: ben_vulpes: lol

05:52:53 asciilifeform: 'like taleb' ~~= 'sleep ad libitum'

05:53:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.00053193 = 4.9469 BTC [+]

05:53:36 asciilifeform: used him as example because folks here all (?) read him and mr t expounds at great length re: 'what it means to really live'

05:54:39 mircea_popescu: yeah but the problem is still exposed : to live like one pleases specifically can not carry a rider of time limited.

05:54:47 mircea_popescu: it breaks the entire construction.

05:55:01 asciilifeform: we all get time-limited, lol

05:55:07 asciilifeform: just not as neatly.

05:55:26 asciilifeform: who did first rate maths after 50? erdos? can't think of more than one or two names

05:55:51 mircea_popescu: http://www.theguardian.com/public-leaders-network/2015/jan/23/nervous-super-rich-planning-escapes-davos-2015 << not so bad.

05:55:53 assbot: As inequality soars, the nervous super rich are already planning their escapes | Public Leaders Network | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1yXp5OL )

05:56:08 decimation: oil is a terrible store of value - it halved in only a few weeks! it's a good idea though, I'm going to wait for the next generation of chemical energy movement & storage

05:56:36 asciilifeform: 'buying airstrips and farms in remote areas' - what, farming with their own hands!? lol

05:56:45 decimation: re: lifetime < 'My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:

05:56:46 decimation: Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!'

05:57:14 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the whole piece is a neat summary of just how idiotic the demo is.

05:57:21 mircea_popescu: really, look, rich people are affraid of reddit!111

05:57:25 mircea_popescu: occupy mattered!!11

05:57:35 decimation: except the rich jew who owns it?

05:57:52 mircea_popescu: shut up and pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

05:58:18 asciilifeform: article << mega-snore

05:58:28 asciilifeform: 3qu4l1ty!

05:58:31 mircea_popescu: no it's informatively stupid.

05:58:47 decimation: well, there was a time for getting out of Paris

05:58:51 mircea_popescu: like a discussion among 12 yo boys about what makes women sluts.

05:59:21 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: my understanding is that most folks in usa get mental picture of 'what the rich do' from film

06:01:23 asciilifeform: just like to them 'economics is what happens at the grocery counter' (from mircea_popescu article ?)

06:01:38 decimation: asciilifeform: do you think that 'actual rich' don't get ideas from film too?

06:02:04 asciilifeform: 'the actual rich' as a monolithic whole is, i dare say, a fictional trope as well

06:03:19 decimation: http://www.denverpost.com/ci_21351638/billionaire-bill-koch-colorado-town-private

06:03:20 assbot: Billionaire Bill Koch's new Colorado town is a private Old West marvel - The Denver Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1yXq7Ky )

06:04:31 asciilifeform: anything i, for instance, might say about the genuinely rich (folks entirely and permanently insulated from economic reality, who can finance wars, etc.) is likely to be laughably wrong - what i know of them is largely like what i know of the wonderful fish that live kilometres below in the sea - that is, stemming largely from inference using physical fact and thirdhand clues

06:07:13 asciilifeform: decimation: what is he supposed to do? he already bought 'sleep ad libitum'

06:07:30 decimation: heh yeah might as well buy personal town for his toys

06:08:28 decimation: actually compared to 'rich men' of the past, folks with mere $ billions are rather poor

06:08:34 asciilifeform: perhaps after usg implodes he can buy some people to fill it with

06:08:39 asciilifeform: living by period rules

06:09:17 decimation: j.p. morgan singlehandly bailed out banking ca. 1907

06:09:22 asciilifeform: decimation: aha. quite a few of them, for instance, probably have difficulty even buying sex safely

06:10:23 asciilifeform: 'progressives' like to trot out examples of 'the people of the past could not buy an ipNohe for any price'

06:10:26 decimation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2015#979012 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2015#979013

06:10:26 assbot: Logged on 16-01-2015 04:45:19; mircea_popescu: decimation it's as fucking unbriliant as a lump of coal. at the end of the week, instead of having a decent steak and a game of bridge with intellgient people,

06:10:26 assbot: Logged on 16-01-2015 04:45:31; mircea_popescu: you're stuck hiding in your gated compound from imaginary niggers.

06:10:37 asciilifeform: the say 'richest king could not buy a plasma tv'

06:11:09 asciilifeform: to which i answer, today's richest king cannot buy quite a few things that common beggar had a century ago.

06:11:14 asciilifeform: like a functioning culture

06:11:28 asciilifeform: or rather, gemeinschaft

06:11:31 decimation: right. w.r.t. stuff, we are 'rich', but w.r.t. people, we are all poor

06:11:33 asciilifeform: (more specifically)

06:15:00 decimation: even if herr koch wanted to create a 'functional german hamlet' from ukraine, (for instance), how could he possibly do it without making it like disneyland?

06:15:25 asciilifeform: the only kind of animal in a disneyland is - stuffed.

06:15:58 TheNewDeal: !down TheNewDeal

06:16:40 asciilifeform: i do not know enough about koch to say whether he is likely to become a post-usg sovereign who might conceivably carry out experiments with artificial fucktopias

06:17:05 asciilifeform: possibly it'll be his driver, who will cut off his head and display it on a pike to a cheering crowd, and not him

06:17:44 decimation: I suspect 'rich in bezzlars' will not convey post-usg sovereignty

06:17:58 asciilifeform: not automatically, no

06:18:03 decimation: 'rich in oil' maybe

06:18:44 asciilifeform: rich in difficult-throats-cut-on-demand.

06:18:52 asciilifeform: everything else - from it.

06:20:26 *: asciilifeform rather than crapping out further conjecture re: deep ocean fish - goes to bed.

06:20:39 decimation: aye, m. danton-style. the trouble is, there's always herr guillotine waiting for yezhov

06:20:49 decimation: good night sir

06:20:53 decimation: !down decimation

06:33:52 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> 'the actual rich' as a monolithic whole is, i dare say, a fictional trope as well << what, and i suppose the island of beautiful women doens't exist, either ?!

06:35:26 mircea_popescu: decimation> j.p. morgan singlehandly bailed out banking ca. 1907 << nah, it was more like teh mp effect.

06:35:43 mircea_popescu: generaly confidence crises can be unwound by a party universally trusted that's techniocally competent

06:35:57 mircea_popescu: that's kinda how the notion of the central banker was born. it does make economic / financial sense.

06:36:06 mircea_popescu: however, not in the current bastardization

06:36:52 mircea_popescu: (the college professor also makes intellectual sense, but the current day implementation has nothing to do with the thing that makes sense - "why is he a professor ? " "because all these people know him, respect him and wish to be his studends" vs "why are you his student ?" "because hes the professor"

06:37:24 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> 'progressives' like to trot out examples of 'the people of the past could not buy an ipNohe for any price' << except current folk can not get stuff like... tomatoes, for any price.

06:37:33 mircea_popescu: or, in most cases, a competent cunt.

06:38:25 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> i do not know enough about koch to say < i do. he's old. this is a game for men, not for codgers.

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07:44:13 mircea_popescu: !up Newar

07:44:33 punkman: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/C/CB_CUBA_SECRET_NETWORK?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

07:44:35 assbot: News from The Associated Press ... ( http://bit.ly/1y2dgmg )

07:45:46 punkman: "blocked from the network by their peers for as a little as a day for minor infractions such as slowing down SNet with file-sharing outside prescribed hours, with lifetime bans for violations like distributing pornography."

07:45:51 punkman: no porn lol

07:49:39 mircea_popescu: "We don't mess with anybody. All we want to do is play games, share healthy ideas. We don't try to influence the government or what's happening in Cuba ... We do the right thing and they let us keep at it."

07:49:40 mircea_popescu: heh.

07:53:27 mircea_popescu: speaking of the derps behind the derpage : "Sara Miller McCune was born into a middle-class Jewish family in Manhattan. She was international president of B'nai B'rith Girls at the age of 19, and has spoken of the importance of tzedakah."

07:53:36 mircea_popescu: check out what's notable on wikipedia :D

07:54:26 mircea_popescu: anyway, if you want to hang someone for the horrible state of publishing and/or us business culture these days, she's as good as anyone.

07:54:41 fluffypony: have we discussed the Croatian president yet?

07:54:51 fluffypony: http://i.imgur.com/M18fd7W.jpg

07:54:53 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/18nyvc7 )

07:55:02 fluffypony: Greece could learn from that

07:55:15 mircea_popescu: sort-of an social sciences o'reilly.

07:55:31 mircea_popescu: o wow srsly ?

07:55:40 fluffypony: yarp

07:55:51 punkman: http://www.zarpa.gr/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/palto-photo-mesa.jpg

07:55:52 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/18nyJzW )

07:55:52 mircea_popescu: uh. Ivo Josipović

07:55:57 mircea_popescu: whay u scam me!

07:56:40 fluffypony: Kolinda Grabar-Kitarovic

07:56:43 mircea_popescu: o wow, right you are. yeap

07:56:46 fluffypony: beat Ivo

07:56:51 mircea_popescu: next month

07:56:59 mircea_popescu: ;;google Kolinda Grabar-Kitarović nude

07:57:00 gribble: Borba za Sinčićeve birače: Što nude Josipović i Kolinda? — RTL ...: http://www.rtl.hr/vijesti/novosti/predsjednicki-izbori/1466805/borba-za-sinciceve-birace-sto-nude-josipovic-i-kolinda/; Video: Borba za Sinčićeve birače: Što nude Josipović i Kolinda ...: http://www.rtl.hr/video/vijesti/60838/borba-za-sinciceve-birace-sto-nude-josipovic-i-kolinda/; Što Ivo (1 more message)

07:57:12 fluffypony: lol

07:58:19 mircea_popescu: and on that note... i'm off.

08:13:21 punkman: http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/ibm-says-several-thousand-layoffs-on-the-way-1.2931612

08:13:23 assbot: IBM says 'several thousand' layoffs on the way - Business - CBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/18nC7uJ )

08:13:30 punkman: aaaand it's gone!

08:16:00 mats: itsa winter wonderland!

08:16:41 mats: i am disappointed the snow is not piled higher. this is not the apocalypse i was promised!

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08:37:25 punkman: http://globalguerrillas.typepad.com/globalguerrillas/2015/01/jihadi-entrepreneurs-and-the-ipo-of-the-century.html

08:37:27 assbot: Jihadi Entrepreneurs and the IPO of the Century - Global Guerrillas ... ( http://bit.ly/1y2lnzh )

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10:20:54 jurov: asciilifeform: it's http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/ , the "ml." was my mistake

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11:15:43 davout: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-01-2015#993816 <<< such meta, very lol

11:15:43 assbot: Logged on 27-01-2015 05:49:47; ben_vulpes: https://github.com/mame/quine-relay

11:49:42 Naphex: http://vimeo.com/116605178 Delve essays just keep getting better

11:49:43 assbot: Bananas, Sardines and Sharks on Vimeo ... ( http://bit.ly/1DcSWCb )

13:07:42 mircea_popescu: mats: i am disappointed the snow is not piled higher. this is not the apocalypse i was promised! << usg makes a habit to overpromise and underdeliver.

13:13:39 mircea_popescu: !up p15_

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14:37:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42300 @ 0.00048146 = 20.3658 BTC [-] {2}

15:13:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 6971 @ 0.001118 = 7.7936 BTC [+]

15:24:58 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> the only kind of animal in a disneyland is - stuffed. << Plenty of cats to eat the mice and rats.

15:37:14 davout: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=CVE-2015-0235

15:37:16 assbot: Bug 1183461 – CVE-2015-0235 glibc: __nss_hostname_digits_dots() heap-based buffer overflow ... ( http://bit.ly/1z6fvHR )

15:37:17 davout: dat CVE

15:55:52 mircea_popescu: davout wow.

15:56:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 4846 @ 0.00111799 = 5.4178 BTC [-] {3}

15:56:58 mircea_popescu: !up mapop

15:59:38 mircea_popescu: veronique Loquet - AL'X Communication vloquet at alx-communication.com << she found it.

16:00:35 mircea_popescu: nah scratch that, she's just pr.

16:14:21 mircea_popescu: https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2015-0235 << eglibc too lol.

16:14:22 assbot: CVE-2015-0235 ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bk2qci )

16:18:24 BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2015/01/rumor-centurylink-may-buy-cointerra/

16:18:24 assbot: Rumor: CenturyLink May Buy CoinTerra | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1yLhDFZ )

16:18:51 TomServo: Ha, wouldn't that be something.

16:19:16 mircea_popescu: ;;isup sourceware.org

16:19:20 gribble: sourceware.org is down

16:31:18 asciilifeform: https://sourceware.org/git/?p=glibc.git;a=commitdiff;h=d5dd6189d506068ed11c8bfa1e1e9bffde04decd;hp=fef94eab0bd308d5059a2588c753bf9a4926845d << works

16:31:19 assbot: sourceware.org Git - glibc.git/commitdiff ... ( http://bit.ly/1yLj1sr )

16:34:56 BingoBoingo: !up Alina-malina

16:35:06 Alina-malina: tnx

16:36:29 []bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $150 before March" http://bitbet.us/bet/1107/ Odds: 16(Y):84(N) by coin, 20(Y):80(N) by weight. Total bet: 6.61929562 BTC. Current weight: 66,037.

16:36:44 BingoBoingo: mats: http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/01/27/bowe_bergdahl_desertion_charges_idaho_pow_freed_in_2014_is_accused.html

16:36:46 assbot: Bowe Bergdahl desertion charges: Idaho POW freed in 2014 is accused (update: Army denies). ... ( http://bit.ly/1yLjBpU )

16:48:20 BingoBoingo: !up diatonic

16:50:19 asciilifeform: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/d05c03ab4ed23389b1326f9b7c77a8d7b8d6588d/src/net.cpp#L268

16:50:21 assbot: bitcoin/net.cpp at d05c03ab4ed23389b1326f9b7c77a8d7b8d6588d · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1yLla7k )

16:52:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47414 @ 0.00047389 = 22.469 BTC [-] {2}

17:00:39 thestringpuller: asciilifeform: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=gethostbyname

17:58:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 30000 @ 0.00005999 = 1.7997 BTC [+] {2}

18:01:16 asciilifeform: http://www.openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2015/01/27/9

18:01:16 assbot: oss-security - Qualys Security Advisory CVE-2015-0235 - GHOST: glibc gethostbyname buffer overflow ... ( http://bit.ly/1zr7C2Y )

18:01:33 asciilifeform: ^ detailed autopsy

18:06:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6976 @ 0.00046978 = 3.2772 BTC [-]

18:11:52 mats: http://www.ibtimes.co.in/valve-economist-yanis-varoufakis-appointed-finance-minister-greece-621689

18:11:53 assbot: Valve Economist Yanis Varoufakis Appointed Finance Minister of Greece ... ( http://bit.ly/1zrcfKD )

18:14:02 mats: guy talks here http://youtu.be/iVxaTC7Qp44

18:14:03 assbot: The Global Minotaur: The Crash of 2008 and the Euro-Zone Crisis in Historical Perspective - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1zrdcCC )

18:15:16 BingoBoingo: His dribbling bullshit http://yanisvaroufakis.eu/2013/04/22/bitcoin-and-the-dangerous-fantasy-of-apolitical-money/

18:15:17 assbot: Bitcoin and the dangerous fantasy of ‘apolitical’ money | Yanis Varoufakis ... ( http://bit.ly/1zrdKrX )

18:20:28 mats: good find

18:29:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 68000 @ 0.00006999 = 4.7593 BTC [+] {7}

18:43:05 TomServo: In case anyone missed it, diff change: -6.14%.

18:45:59 BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats

18:46:03 gribble: Current Blocks: 340726 | Current Difficulty: 4.127287389469702E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 342719 | Next Difficulty In: 1993 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 weeks, 1 day, 1 hour, 30 minutes, and 29 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 52840319672.6 | Estimated Percent Change: 28.02675

19:05:30 asciilifeform: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/DestroyFX/nxtoo-portage/master/metadata/news/2014-03-12-profile-eapi-5/2014-03-12-profile-eapi-5.en.txt << gentoo shitgnomery

19:05:31 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cdnve1 )

19:07:27 asciilifeform: if but all current gentoo devs had but one neck...

19:17:37 trinque: asciilifeform: I'm considering jumping ship to a BSD soon as I feel like it's an informed decision

19:18:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1425 @ 0.0010988 = 1.5658 BTC [-]

19:18:56 asciilifeform: trinque: hope you don't own anything but the most classical hardware.

19:19:20 asciilifeform: trinque: and don't ever run closed-source linux proggys

19:19:35 trinque: former, neh, mountain of complexity lenovo laptop

19:19:41 trinque: later neh, only compiled stuff

19:19:58 trinque: *latter

19:21:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1345 @ 0.00108638 = 1.4612 BTC [-] {12}

19:22:15 thestringpuller: asciilifeform: USGavinCoin is real. http://www.americanbanker.com/bankthink/the-cryptocurrency-that-dare-not-speak-its-name-1072352-1.html Because they couldn't find a way to create bitcoin bars full of lead, they are going to hijack bitcoin and use it to their whim.

19:23:17 trinque: asciilifeform: I've got 150 packages in world; still have no idea how this system works

19:23:35 trinque: dunno what chance I have of feeling that I do on say OpenBSD either..

19:26:50 trinque: why the fuck for example do I have some daemon running for accessibility

19:27:41 trinque: seems to be related to running anything gtk

19:31:20 Apocalyptic: trinque, quick fix: nuke X-server and all gui-related stuff

19:33:00 trinque: I could get away with nothing-but-emacs in a vt for most of what I do

19:33:20 trinque: should probably just delegate web browsing to another device

19:34:09 trinque: then I'll just start bitching about the hardware complexity next

19:34:23 *: trinque pitches lenovo out window

19:34:53 trinque: actually happened to a dell p4 whatever after it overheated for the last time

19:41:36 asciilifeform: thestringpuller: nothing about this in linked article (appears to be about a proposal, somewhere deep in the bureaucracy, to use an altcoin for internal u.s. cental bank movements)

19:41:37 punkman: yeah I wonder why I can't find a laptop that doesn't overheat

19:41:42 trinque: Unexpected failure when checking for existing inventory during inv message processing: open /mnt/mainnet/blocks_leveldb/902277.ldb: input/output error << 1800 computer

19:42:04 trinque: has serious hardware issues

19:42:24 thestringpuller: asciilifeform: my theory is too difficult/much effort to make their own alt + (shit MP said about altcoins being worthless), so they will just fork bitcoin and try and steal it.

19:42:28 trinque: lenovo is supposed to be sending me a box to ship it back... I'll unmount and re-mount the usb drive and it'll work fine

19:44:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36750 @ 0.00046253 = 16.998 BTC [-] {2}

19:45:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28800 @ 0.00045845 = 13.2034 BTC [-]

19:47:00 punkman: lol idiot http://yanisvaroufakis.eu/2013/04/22/bitcoin-and-the-dangerous-fantasy-of-apolitical-money/#comment-33143

19:47:02 assbot: Bitcoin and the dangerous fantasy of ‘apolitical’ money | Yanis Varoufakis ... ( http://bit.ly/15KhTcI )

20:13:52 danielpbarron: https://imgur.com/a/r0mZM

20:13:53 assbot: BWallet - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/15Kr2ly )

20:14:58 jurov: mo6 ben_vulpes asciilifeform was the version debate concluded somehow?

20:16:30 mod6: for now

20:16:36 mod6: we're using v0.5.3.1

20:20:02 thestringpuller: v0.5.3.0.0.0.0.1

20:20:04 thestringpuller: lol

20:21:03 trinque: game of versioning snake?

20:21:18 mod6: i think he's trying to make a v6 addr

20:22:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16100 @ 0.00040218 = 6.4751 BTC [-]

20:27:19 lobbes: <mod6> we're using v0.5.3.1 << forgive my ignorance, but this build can be found here: http://thebitcoin.foundation/v0.5.3-0-gd05c03a.tar.gz ?

20:27:20 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/18qxNer )

20:28:18 lobbes: and then just apply patches, correct?

20:34:35 thestringpuller: ;;google dave chappelle on slutty clothing

20:34:36 gribble: Dave Chappelle - Women Send Confusing Messages To Men ...: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fL-1kHxsavI; Dave Chapelle on how women dress. - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OBPaenkxdg; 1:12 Dave Chappelle Psychology of Men and Women (whore clothing): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqP4dsvHWf4

20:45:17 jurov: lobbes: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-January/000030.html this i guess

20:45:18 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1BkT9AG )

20:45:26 jurov: i need to try it myself

20:48:29 jurov: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/search?_filestring=&_string=gethostbyname yay this works finally too

20:48:30 assbot: Satoshi 0.5.3.chicken general search: gethostbyname ... ( http://bit.ly/18qCxAy )

20:51:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1572 @ 0.00107 = 1.682 BTC [-] {4}

21:06:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 14402 @ 0.00006999 = 1.008 BTC [+] {4}

21:08:47 asciilifeform: https://data.awp.is/data/international/16/morecowbell.pdf << usg version of 'isitup'

21:08:48 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/18qI2iD )

21:13:05 jurov: http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/regin-malware-unmasked-as-nsa-tool-after-spiegel-publishes-source-code-a-1015255.html#ref=rss 10 years in circulation already, they say

21:13:06 assbot: Regin Malware Unmasked as NSA Tool after SPIEGEL Publishes Source Code - SPIEGEL ONLINE ... ( http://bit.ly/18qJku0 )

21:18:58 mircea_popescu: dude... women in tech, what a scam!

21:19:26 mircea_popescu: so i find that veronique chick as the first source of the ghost vulnerability, im all about to go into a rand as to how see, THIS is the sort of actual women in actual tech

21:19:39 mircea_popescu: except it turns out that she's just doing pr, and wasn't actually involved in the tech

21:20:09 mircea_popescu: except it turns out she actually fucked up the embargo, and the coordinated release became uncoordinated half hour after her stupid foot in her dumber mouth.

21:20:30 asciilifeform: l0l!!

21:20:35 mircea_popescu: i feel vile and like my feelings don't matter.

21:20:39 mircea_popescu: fucking rapist.

21:21:39 asciilifeform: when monkey presses wrong button, who is to blame: monkey, or man, who put monkey in the control loop ?

21:21:44 mircea_popescu: as more an' more cases of idiot women "in tech" blowing things up float to the surface like as many turds, the actual women in actual tech have increasingly more problems they don't actually need.

21:22:01 mircea_popescu: so dear stupid women : the best thing you can do for women in tech is STAYING THE FUCK AWAY FROM IT.

21:22:22 mircea_popescu: let the smart ones find their own way in, and if there's a grand total of three of them worldwide that'll be fine.

21:22:32 mircea_popescu: just as long as no more veroniques

21:27:03 mircea_popescu: but in other news, i've had actual sysadmins thank me for the tip. made my fucking day. danke davout :D

21:27:37 mircea_popescu: http://41.media.tumblr.com/5c48c28c45c3fa9bdebdfce668b4e930/tumblr_moputmctrN1svo8pno1_1280.jpg << by way of bonus.

21:27:38 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1wzxG4m )

21:27:39 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it took about an hour to 'everybody knows'

21:27:58 mircea_popescu: i got inside that hour.

21:30:12 mircea_popescu: assbot: Bitcoin and the dangerous fantasy of ?apolitical? money <<< title has a point. there is no such thing as "apolitical" money. bitcoin is quite very political.

21:30:43 asciilifeform: http://seclists.org/oss-sec/2015/q1/279

21:30:44 assbot: oss-sec: Re: GHOST gethostbyname() heap overflow in glibc (CVE-2015-0235) ... ( http://bit.ly/18qONRD )

21:31:43 asciilifeform: jurov: ...regin... << recycled news. from slides from 2 weeks ago; and the material therein does not contain proof of what is contained in the linked article at all...

21:32:21 asciilifeform: jurov: the uuencoded blob contained a fairly unremarkable keylogger (meant as a module within one of the gigantic modular mega-turds usg is fond of.)

21:32:29 jurov: i didn't read all the slides, sry

21:33:20 mircea_popescu: "During a conference call with reporters Monday, Fed staffers were asked why the paper made no mention of Bitcoin. They responded by saying that they plan to monitor developments with digital currency, and that later, as those technologies mature, regulators will possibly have a different strategy."

21:33:46 mircea_popescu: soo... their inept influence agents got murdered by a guy we won't name, and so we won't name the thing they were try9ing to influence either ?

21:34:07 mircea_popescu: yo yellen! at least gavin has the ballsack to carefully come here when i'm not around, you know ?

21:34:10 mircea_popescu: grow a pair.

21:34:38 mircea_popescu: "Without a CEO in charge of the currency or anyone to subpoena, how do you control the bitcoin economy? The law is designed to deal with centralized institutions in which identifiable managers are deemed responsible for an organization's conduct."

21:34:39 mircea_popescu: derp.

21:34:43 mircea_popescu: thje law is designed to go take a hike.

21:35:58 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> derp. << /me is working on this with regard to the Derpoplis who went from maximizing arcade revenue to becoming "finance minister"

21:36:10 mircea_popescu: cheers.

21:40:10 danielpbarron: https://imgur.com/f4qpBqU

21:40:11 assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer ... ( http://bit.ly/1wzyoyC )

21:41:20 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron sounds about right

21:45:22 mats: http://youtu.be/46bIJJX_xzE

21:45:24 assbot: Death Cab for Cutie - "Black Sun" (Official Lyric Video) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1wzyHJJ )

21:48:18 mats: http://aje.io/r4z9

21:48:20 assbot: Philippine rebels blame government for deadly clash - Al Jazeera English ... ( http://bit.ly/1wzyQgk )

21:49:56 mats: i never felt so depressed as when i did 'missionary work' as a young man in Quezon City

21:49:58 trinque: danielpbarron: incredible..

21:50:38 mats: the second checkpoint i hit after leaving Manila, the church van i was in got shaken down by cops for cash

21:50:51 mircea_popescu: o.O

21:53:20 []bot: Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "Light Sweet Crude Oil (WTI) to drop under $30 before April" http://bitbet.us/bet/1112/ Odds: 18(Y):82(N) by coin, 18(Y):82(N) by weight. Total bet: 5.654 BTC. Current weight: 98,475.

21:53:58 []bot: Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "Light Sweet Crude Oil (WTI) to drop under $40 before Mar 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1096/ Odds: 24(Y):76(N) by coin, 31(Y):69(N) by weight. Total bet: 6.35433047 BTC. Current weight: 49,633.

21:54:16 asciilifeform: https://gist.githubusercontent.com/koelling/ef9b2b9d0be6d6dbab63/raw/de1730049198c64eaf8f8ab015a3c8b23b63fd34/gistfile1.c

21:54:17 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1wzzeLI )

21:54:31 mats: two kids i played ball with and taught spanish to died when a few shacks collapsed

21:55:33 mats: people shitting and pissing in chamberpots and what not, emptying the contents into the streets...

21:55:55 mats: hell on earth, and there i was, doing religious tourism.

21:55:58 asciilifeform: !s orcs

21:55:59 assbot: 45 results for 'orcs' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=orcs

21:56:04 mats: shortly after i came back, i left the faith. if god is real... i would seek him out and kill him.

22:00:40 []bot: Bet placed: 5 BTC for No on "Gold to drop under $1000 before March 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1101/ Odds: 8(Y):92(N) by coin, 11(Y):89(N) by weight. Total bet: 24.30387905 BTC. Current weight: 54,051.

22:01:50 []bot: Bet placed: 10 BTC for No on "The Winkdex: BTC $5000 or more in 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1104/ Odds: 19(Y):81(N) by coin, 19(Y):81(N) by weight. Total bet: 50.673 BTC. Current weight: 95,931.

22:02:58 trinque: mats: hell of a disillusionment tale

22:07:06 thestringpuller: i miss the bye command from ftp

22:09:38 jurov: http://www.returnofkings.com/32053/this-accidental-experiment-shows-the-superiority-of-patriarchy mircea_popescu may like :)

22:09:40 assbot: This Accidental Experiment Shows The Superiority Of Patriarchy ... ( http://bit.ly/1wzAcYm )

22:09:55 mircea_popescu: ima look i na sec translating a great short

22:12:27 BingoBoingo: jurov: imagine the camp Kyriarchy could have built

22:19:33 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: lets play a game of "would you rather"

22:19:43 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: would you rather have a dick sized nipple, or a nipple sized dick?

22:20:03 asciilifeform: !s fork in the eye

22:20:04 assbot: 1 results for 'fork in the eye' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=fork+in+the+eye

22:20:35 trinque: thestringpuller: you can cut off the nipple... can't uncut the dick

22:21:49 BingoBoingo: Given the common internet saying, I'm assuming the dick nipple must also engage in shitting?

22:23:01 trinque: design committee incoming

22:25:02 BingoBoingo: ;;ud shitting dick nipples

22:25:03 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=shitting+dick+nipples | A term used to refer to strange fetishes involving drawn porn. Especially furry porn.

22:25:53 BingoBoingo: https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Shitting_Dick_Nipples

22:25:54 assbot: Shitting Dick Nipples - Encyclopedia Dramatica ... ( http://bit.ly/1wzBjal )

22:27:11 mats: https://soundcloud.com/madeon/youre-on-ft-kyan-oliver-remix

22:27:12 assbot: You're On ft. Kyan (Oliver Remix) by Madeon - Hear the world’s sounds ... ( http://bit.ly/1wzBpyW )

22:29:22 trinque: mats: requires flash

22:29:32 *: trinque shakes his fists at an uncaring sky

22:29:59 mats: run it in a sandbox

22:30:28 thestringpuller: flash ain't dead yet?

22:30:42 trinque: sites trying to DRM still tend to use it

22:30:59 thestringpuller: trying is a key word there I'd suppose

22:31:04 trinque: ayep

22:31:33 thestringpuller: ls

22:31:34 thestringpuller: oops

22:33:50 ben_vulpes: sad story, mats

22:34:50 mats: i resolved that day to become god, so i would never have to see anyone die again

22:34:58 mats: unless i wanted to.

22:35:46 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform check it out : that guy wanted the stuarts, this guy is "return of kings", mayhap there's soemthing here.

22:35:54 ben_vulpes: fucking hilarious jurov

22:36:23 trinque: mats: interesting actually, to think of god as a human aspiration

22:36:37 mircea_popescu: "Most cultures worldwide are patriarchal ? to find examples of successful matriarchal societies you either have to turn to ancient history, remote outskirts of the world or feminist fiction. "

22:36:41 mircea_popescu: anyway, that much ius actually true.

22:37:23 mircea_popescu: however, this MAY be like saying that illiterate cultures are the norm, and to find successful literate cultures you either have to turn to ancient history, remote outskirts or capitalist fiction.

22:40:04 danielpbarron: he blames capitalism for producing feminism in the linked article at the bottom

22:41:01 mircea_popescu: anyway, the main factor destroying that experiment is that they don't allow violence.

22:41:21 mircea_popescu: the nine women - three men island + slavery would have probably icmb'd the other one within a few generations.

22:41:22 mats: trinque: its the dream of every living creature. to grow until all the space you can see is a part of you. the desire for greatness...

22:41:50 mircea_popescu: mats actually this is a mental condition in humans, and the desire of squids and generally cephalopodes exclusively.

22:43:06 mats: there's two ways to do it: to kill anything that is not yourself, until nothing is left to oppose you.

22:43:50 mats: you say to all the universe, only I will be great, and to make room for me the rest of you must give up even what you already have, and become nothing

22:43:55 trinque: dunno about that

22:44:19 mats: i'm quoting heavily from a book that was influential in my youth.

22:44:20 trinque: you need some of that other stuff to exist

22:44:27 mircea_popescu: ;;google anal stage

22:44:28 gribble: Anal stage - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anal_stage; The Anal Stage of Psychosexual Development: http://psychology.about.com/od/theoriesofpersonality/ss/psychosexualdev_3.htm; Psychosexual Stages | Simply Psychology: http://www.simplypsychology.org/psychosexual.html

22:44:39 mats: some metaphysical nonsense... but i still think about it from time to time.

22:44:57 trinque: I think one's dominion whereas the other's destruction.

22:45:05 trinque: to own something means you can destroy it, not necessarily that you will

22:45:30 mircea_popescu: "MOSAC - a charity which supports the non-abusing parents and carers of abused children - says a third of all calls to its helpline are from women who believe they have been groomed into conceiving a child."

22:45:35 mircea_popescu: http://news.sky.com/story/1365552/paedophiles-grooming-women-to-bear-children

22:45:37 assbot: Paedophiles Grooming Women To Bear Children ... ( http://bit.ly/1wzCEOC )

22:45:59 mircea_popescu: i wonder how prevalent this actually is. as opposed to interested parties trying to create a niche for their ngos.

22:46:09 trinque: mats: what was the second thing?

22:46:33 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: kings << that one, and $maxint others, are 'moldbuggian' blogs that appeared in imitation, nth generation copies of nth generation copies, etc.

22:46:45 mircea_popescu: o is it ?

22:46:47 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: snore. 'moldosphere' etc. largely dead.

22:46:56 trinque: mircea_popescu: they can't whip up satanic cult hysteria anymore... pedos are second best?

22:47:07 mircea_popescu: maybe.

22:47:08 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: used to also be called 'alt right' or 'neoreaction'

22:48:12 mircea_popescu: trinque: why the fuck for example do I have some daemon running for accessibility << generally that's because if you need it you can't turn it on, so it has to be on by default. you can turn it off obviously.

22:48:38 asciilifeform: lol!

22:48:43 trinque: mircea_popescu: wasn't started by openrc, nor .xprofile, just spawned off by gtk I think... ?

22:48:44 mats: trinque: an exercise for the reader

22:48:48 *: asciilifeform wonders if somebody actually made this argument in life

22:48:54 trinque: when I find out how to kill it I will

22:49:08 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's how the accessbility stuff sails in.

22:49:11 trinque: also get an adult! one with functioning limbs/eyes/etc

22:49:37 trinque: I'm sure this accessibility crap can remote control any gtk app

22:49:43 asciilifeform: trinque: 'dbus'

22:49:49 asciilifeform: trinque: (remote control)

22:50:13 mircea_popescu: trinque seems probable.

22:50:23 asciilifeform: not just probable, but trivial.

22:50:33 trinque: asciilifeform: notably -dbus did nothing

22:51:45 trinque: seems like the libraries using this stuff take it upon themselves to spawn the thing they want?

22:51:48 mircea_popescu: punkman: lol idiot << i left him a comment too.

22:52:05 mircea_popescu: guy's obviously got his own agenda, but hey, won't be able to say he wasn't exposed to the sane set of ideas.

22:52:56 mircea_popescu: jurov: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/search?_filestring=&_string=gethostbyname yay this works finally too << o hey wd!@

22:52:57 assbot: Satoshi 0.5.3.chicken general search: gethostbyname ... ( http://bit.ly/1wzDfQi )

22:53:30 asciilifeform: jurov: why am i seeing the win32 crap ?

22:53:39 asciilifeform: jurov: or is this straight 0.5.3 without patches

22:54:12 jurov: it's the very first chicken versions

22:54:13 asciilifeform: aha

22:54:16 asciilifeform: ty jurov

22:54:25 jurov: will add 0.5.3.1 tmrw or so

22:54:48 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, jurov, whoever else is awake: anybody got a preferred build system they want to see used for toynode (as well as a name for the latter, toynode is ridiculous) ?

22:55:01 mircea_popescu: i feel the need to contribute to this conversation, so http://41.media.tumblr.com/98462099f6f241b5474709437fd38b0e/tumblr_moiadqjAx31r4amwso1_1280.jpg

22:55:03 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1wzDmv8 )

22:55:03 asciilifeform: current experimental rig is (surprised) a gentoo box

22:55:20 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform tornade ? sounds like toynode, except also descriptive.

22:55:46 asciilifeform: eh, the 'tor' scrapes the eye like the shit in matsushita

22:56:14 *: asciilifeform does not really have strong emotion on this subject

22:56:23 jurov: just have an ebuild for it? or it ought to produce identical binaries no matter what?

22:56:36 jurov: and name, bitcoinator?

22:56:37 asciilifeform: ...identical binaries << ideally.

22:56:44 jurov: er.. there's tor too

22:56:46 *: asciilifeform favours bitcoinator

22:56:56 asciilifeform: somehow less allergenic.

22:57:25 mats: node-in-a-box.

22:57:33 mircea_popescu: ok, how about A-node

22:57:38 asciilifeform: works too

22:57:57 mircea_popescu: a for ascii, node for nude or something

22:58:01 asciilifeform: l0l

22:58:50 trinque: mircea_popescu: between the CVEs and your links this room pays for itself

22:59:05 mircea_popescu: lucky it doesn't cost much :D

22:59:10 trinque: heh

22:59:22 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: kings << that one, and $maxint others, are 'moldbuggian' blogs that appeared in imitation, nth generation copies of nth generation copies, etc. << Less pseudoliteracy, more literacy as archeaological artifact there. Seems distinct off shoot of Moldsphere. Far greater focus on expatriation.

23:00:11 mircea_popescu: re thye whole "Source Code Similarities Between NSA Malware and 'Regin' Trojan " : the cause is quite obvious but somehow not found by the ever-brighter hn collective. that is : nsa outsourced the production. the way that ball got dropped is embarassing to them, and its very existence even more embarassing.

23:00:39 mircea_popescu: but then again, i don't know anyone but asciilifeform to both honestly and seriously propose viewing the nsa as aserious endeavour, and even he's been kinda shaken latelyt.

23:01:57 mircea_popescu: hory shit.

23:02:11 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell teward * teward has quit (Quit: ERROR: Segmentation Fault in ZNC: admin.so: 56)

23:02:11 gribble: The operation succeeded.

23:02:13 danielpbarron: full-nodity

23:02:17 asciilifeform: lol!

23:02:31 *: asciilifeform won't belabour the point re: how 1) the nsa directorate that ended up publicly pants-down is not the whole nsa 2) the bureau is not the whole of usg intelligence

23:02:51 thestringpuller: asciilifeform: what do you mean regarding 2?

23:03:04 asciilifeform: but mircea_popescu is right! they do outsource crapware production. it is not even an especially deep secret, to where.

23:03:10 mircea_popescu: there's also the secret service dudes, guarding your tungsten bars an' sheit

23:03:34 thestringpuller: the secret service guards our debased gold?

23:03:38 mircea_popescu: north korea ?

23:03:54 thestringpuller: i thought they just protect obama and slap around counterfeiters

23:03:59 asciilifeform: usg bureaucracy is every bit as gnarly as soviet equivalents, there are ~two dozen 'spy agencies', each with $maxint budget and practically whole legal immunity

23:04:18 trinque: seems a place for rot to accumulate, not coherent action

23:04:42 thestringpuller: asciilifeform: this is why I think private spy agency with $maxint budget are more efficient than any USG version.

23:04:51 mircea_popescu: trinque quite.

23:04:52 jurov: lolwut? znc announces its segfault so?

23:04:59 mircea_popescu: jurov news to me.

23:05:25 BingoBoingo: And after the toy drone incidents trap shooting is going to have become part of the standard marksmanship bar to pass, if actual lizard hitler.

23:05:40 asciilifeform: i don't even believe, necessarily, that they have achieved anything. but in a logically distinct hypothesis that the snowden papers do not prove 'usg is impotent' any more than the famous kgb defections of the '70-80s proved that soviet intelligence was dead

23:06:05 mats: na, 'exploding drones' doesn't seem like a good way to kill a protected person

23:06:12 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform except it WAS dead.

23:06:17 thestringpuller: You kidnap someone and claim you're CIA or some agency but really not (You're some shadowy private spy agency). So then when the "investigation" begins the dozen or so spy agencies point fingers at each other and unknown private firm continues to hide in shadows

23:06:25 mircea_popescu: much like the pacepa defection proved the end of the romanian thing.

23:06:29 thestringpuller: I'm certain this is not recent theory as its pop culture by now.

23:06:41 mats: they routinely deploy jammers, set perimeters, and have trained designated marksmen... learned their lessons in trashcanistan et. al

23:06:47 trinque: asciilifeform: it's that coherence bit that I think is important. An N1 rocket has plenty of power at its disposal

23:07:05 trinque: ends up turning the launch site into an inferno to match

23:07:21 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-07-2014#747021

23:07:21 assbot: Logged on 07-07-2014 00:34:51; mircea_popescu: * teward has quit (Quit: ERROR: Segmentation Fault in ZNC: admin.so: 56)

23:07:37 jurov: lol assbot

23:07:58 asciilifeform: mats: jammers, marksmen << drop vertically.

23:08:21 BingoBoingo: RE: KGB - Tom Clancy novels were right except "Jack Ryan" was russian and manifests IRL as Putin.

23:09:25 asciilifeform: mats: against k guards, use k+n machines, where n is a positive integer

23:09:40 mats: asciilifeform: max altitude of 'Raven' is about 150m

23:09:49 mats: and good luck getting that high with a meaningful payload

23:09:57 asciilifeform: what is 'raven' ?

23:10:06 mats: i think the WASP is a more economically feasible approach

23:10:20 mats: RQ-11 backpack drone.

23:10:51 asciilifeform: that isn't even a chopper.

23:11:15 mats: you have a point...

23:11:25 asciilifeform: and it is certainly physically possible to fly toy 'multicoper' above 150m.

23:11:28 mircea_popescu: tbh, if you're going this avenue you're better off firing a home made sol-sol missile at the target than hitting them with a homemade drone

23:12:03 mircea_popescu: just buy a lot of fireworks.

23:12:37 mats: i'd like to take this moment to affirm that this is purely speculative, and i have no intention of being so much as within the city limits of POTUS...

23:12:41 asciilifeform: l0l

23:12:43 asciilifeform: http://www.suasnews.com/2011/03/4822/dont-sell-rq-11-ravens-on-ebay << oldie

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23:13:01 mats: Secret Service has no humor about this sort of thing.

23:14:01 asciilifeform: also has quotas.

23:14:06 mats: why would you want to buy a fucking raven anyways?

23:14:22 asciilifeform: !s new york death ray

23:14:23 assbot: 8 results for 'new york death ray' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=new+york+death+ray

23:14:24 thestringpuller: my buddy got fined flying a quadcopter > 200m

23:14:27 mats: we had a few in my intel section while i was in, fucking things would fall out of the sky a quarter of the time, 20 mins into flight

23:14:35 thestringpuller: "Failure to file flight path with FAA"

23:14:43 mats: fucking useless

23:15:06 trinque: rc plane with a gopro... definitely deserves 20 years in prison

23:15:18 asciilifeform: same as pgp.

23:15:28 mircea_popescu: the sad fact of the matter is that the same general development that allows derps like yanis souflakis to pretend like "he can distinguish inflation from product improvement" also allows anyone who isn't a redditard and has a day's leisure to build a missile ; and anyone that isn't iran and so mentally retarded to build a nuke.

23:15:30 asciilifeform: a most cruel weapon of war, clearly

23:15:36 thestringpuller: did zimmerman get 20 years?

23:15:51 mircea_popescu: these aren't hard problems in any sense anymore. they're onyl still hard for retards. otherwise, the safety of "designated importants" ios a matter of public mercy

23:15:52 asciilifeform: thestringpuller: he got something worse

23:15:53 thestringpuller: i thought he avoided jail time

23:16:01 mircea_popescu: not of "work" or "Agencies" or "laws" etc

23:17:48 mircea_popescu: i wonder how long until it sinks in, with the mostly empty head of obama, with the mostly empty head of blasio, with the mostly empty head of everyone else in that group of derps : that they're still alive because nobody could be bothered to kill them yet.

23:17:54 mircea_popescu: NOT because anyone or anything is 'protecting' them

23:18:22 mats: the SS certainly doesn't have a good record

23:18:28 asciilifeform: but they have a real ripper of a time barricading entire quarters of city, banishing tourists from restaurants, theatres, etc.

23:18:38 thestringpuller: asciilifeform: http://www.contra.org/pgp/PhilZimmerman.html << i see. scary.

23:18:57 asciilifeform: thestringpuller: scarier is that he's a stooge now.

23:19:03 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sure.

23:19:14 asciilifeform: i haven't any idea how, specifically, he was lowered. but fact is.

23:19:15 trinque: mircea_popescu: perhaps when the state tucking them in at night fails to do so for a sufficient number of days

23:19:48 trinque: I expect a collective mental breakdown followed by wailing and gnashing of teeth instead

23:19:54 thestringpuller: asciilifeform: this is less scary and more sad to me :(

23:20:10 trinque: this and the inability of the NSA to act coherently I think come from the same dead culture

23:20:34 mircea_popescu: trinque i suspect they actually understand this pretty well, which is why the vehehehery gingerly treatment of actual powers that be, and the very loud derpage around idiots asking for a cock in their ass, like schwarz.

23:20:42 thestringpuller: trinque: sounds like a coup de gras of come kind.

23:21:29 mircea_popescu: "Please take Econ 1. When the Federal govt prints more money and spends, you do not get much inflation when there is massive unemployment. The extra $ the government prints and distributes is spent, increasing demand for goods and services. If the govt then KEEPS increasing the money supply, THEN you get inflation."

23:21:39 mircea_popescu: the idiots derping in tlp's comment section...

23:23:40 mats: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjDzLxq0SV0

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23:27:57 trinque: mircea_popescu: maybe when they're all in chains they can dig holes then fill them back in for a while

23:28:00 trinque: call it an art piece

23:28:47 mircea_popescu: nah. i happen to know what they'll do. sadly it's all in romanian, but there's dozens of articles detailing the "what do idiots who thought they were right and in power do once it comes out they were wrong and never really in power".

23:29:13 mircea_popescu: it's a lot of... welll.... actually it looks a lot like liberal-radical-on-reddit, in the early stages.

23:29:22 mircea_popescu: !up frb

23:36:56 trinque: mircea_popescu: congregate and resolve to be bad at new-ruling-ideology to make a point?

23:37:13 trinque: portland business owners enrage me for that reason

23:37:32 trinque: the idea that being embarrassed about discussing money for example makes them a good communist

23:37:33 mircea_popescu: it's this particular sort of "world is mean"

23:37:40 trinque: ah we were robbed

23:37:47 trinque: should've been X

23:38:19 mircea_popescu: im kinda curious who will be claimed as the evil foreign invader.

23:38:39 mircea_popescu: there's always one of these, that came in and ruined "a good thing". prollly the chinese i gues, tho you never know.

23:39:00 trinque: if it swings "tea party" everyone brown

23:39:25 mircea_popescu: yeah that also.

23:39:36 trinque: I don't know; thinking about this runs into the inability to coherently do anything

23:40:42 trinque: what does the tea party "do" now? make tshirts?

23:41:08 trinque: hm so maybe that's what lingers, the delusional faux-doing

23:42:23 trinque: makes me think of either you or asciilifeform talking about concentration camp inmates pretending to be guards, making fake uniforms

23:42:52 trinque: vs say mats experience of "fuck god, I am god"

23:43:00 trinque: seems like there are a few ways a mind can break

23:47:02 asciilifeform: 0.5.3 folks: did one of you post, a while ago, a list of libs (specific version) favoured: (e.g., db-4.8.26, openssl-xxxxxx, ...)

23:51:02 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: unrelated: http://habrahabr.ru/post/248419

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23:56:24 asciilifeform: (summary: walkthrough for construction of simple ecdsa backdoor, for n00bs)

23:56:38 asciilifeform: nothing earth-shaking, but good maths tutorial.