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00:00:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.16230094 = 0.3246 BTC [-]

00:01:03 mircea_popescu: the best of course would be this resort five miles out of budapest owned by some slovak people staffed only with czech chicks, serving only slovenian food and with nothing but serbian customers.

00:01:08 mircea_popescu: i hope i covered them all.

00:01:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 66 @ 0.00599998 = 0.396 BTC [-] {2}

00:03:15 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: now that you mention it, what's your official take on the serbs ?

00:04:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 53 @ 0.00599998 = 0.318 BTC [-]

00:05:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 47 @ 0.00599998 = 0.282 BTC [-]

00:05:30 mircea_popescu: i love belgrade

00:05:32 mircea_popescu: you ever been ?

00:06:12 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nope. is it still worth going to after the great clobbering?

00:06:19 mircea_popescu: surely.

00:06:52 mircea_popescu: the great clobbering looks great especially from the us. otherwise, they have a bombed building downtown which they're pretty much preserving as is

00:07:08 mircea_popescu: and otherwise you couldn't tell, even in 2007

00:07:35 asciilifeform: i know a fellow who went, and saw the famous airplane

00:07:36 mircea_popescu: roads on average better than massachusetts anyway

00:07:39 asciilifeform: (what's left of it)

00:08:32 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: obligatory on topic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1jAmL-rfXU

00:08:32 mircea_popescu: aha

00:09:07 mircea_popescu: anyway, no, belgrade is good because hilly town -> nice asses and legs on the teens and tweennysomethings, and good nightlife.

00:09:34 mircea_popescu: kinda difficult to hire competent waiters in fucking topeka.

00:09:53 mircea_popescu: in belgrade there are people who have worked at it for three generations or more.

00:10:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.1055 = 0.5275 BTC [+]

00:11:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00599999 = 0.24 BTC [+] {2}

00:12:34 mircea_popescu: "if you convince affluent & educated people something is healthy, it soon ends up correlated with health."

00:12:41 mircea_popescu: dude not everyone on twitter is retarded!

00:14:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 33 @ 0.00599999 = 0.198 BTC [+]

00:15:25 ThickAsThieves: "Is Mark Karpeles buying goxcoin on bitcoinbuilder?? Huge discount could revive Mt.Gox. 50k sold in the last 3 days....hmmm"

00:16:03 mircea_popescu: "please care about our shitty website"

00:17:01 asciilifeform: re: belgrade: wonder how many americans would curl up and cry if given an uncensored tour of some place not inhabited by 'human lite' (orlov's phrase, not mine)

00:17:38 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform generally, all.

00:17:43 mircea_popescu: i used to do it for sport.

00:18:03 asciilifeform: drag americans to see real life?

00:18:09 mircea_popescu: possibly the peak of it all was the one tme in NY when mugger wouldn't mug me

00:18:13 mircea_popescu: "just these other schmucks"

00:18:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11650 @ 0.00088292 = 10.286 BTC [+] {2}

00:18:42 asciilifeform: lol

00:19:10 asciilifeform: imported mugger? or homegrown american

00:19:21 mircea_popescu: then the street cops were like... one laughing his ass off, the other looking all suspicious at me

00:19:30 mircea_popescu: i have no idea, prolly local.

00:19:33 mircea_popescu: some random mutt

00:19:45 ThickAsThieves: "Sure. Just outlining that @twobitidiot is a friend of #bitcoin. His leak seems no more self-serving than @BTCFoundation"

00:19:48 ThickAsThieves: biglols!

00:19:58 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves they're new.

00:20:18 ThickAsThieves: ok ok

00:20:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00599999 = 0.3 BTC [+]

00:20:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 110 @ 0.0055 = 0.605 BTC

00:21:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37300 @ 0.00087787 = 32.7446 BTC [-] {3}

00:22:07 ThickAsThieves: i like how bitcoin might be the first thing since Bill Clinton to get people under 35 to care about politics again

00:22:08 mircea_popescu: i thought occupy was that.

00:22:08 ThickAsThieves: nah

00:22:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.16230094 = 0.6492 BTC [-]

00:22:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 53 @ 0.00599998 = 0.318 BTC [-] {2}

00:22:44 ThickAsThieves: senators will know the wrath of reddit like never before

00:22:49 mircea_popescu: lmao

00:22:54 ThickAsThieves: i hope they have troll spray

00:22:56 mircea_popescu: do senators even know what reddit is ?

00:23:08 ThickAsThieves: theyll have no choice

00:23:12 mircea_popescu: i mean... it's like a truck right ?

00:23:15 ThickAsThieves: reddit is already demanding an AMA

00:23:25 asciilifeform: the toilet attached to the 'series of pipes'

00:23:38 mircea_popescu: someone should do a proper set of questions re AMA.

00:23:51 ThickAsThieves: you should do an AMA

00:23:56 mircea_popescu: "Did you ever fuck a woman hard enough to end up past her cervix"

00:24:01 mircea_popescu: "Was it your wife"

00:24:03 ThickAsThieves: lol

00:24:06 ThickAsThieves: lol

00:24:18 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i did, on something awful. they had a series of aneurisms,

00:24:37 ThickAsThieves: you need to work on your brand bro!

00:24:48 ThickAsThieves: so reddit can sum you up in 5 words

00:24:53 mircea_popescu: do oyu mean my band or my brand ?

00:25:02 ThickAsThieves: i'm cool with either

00:25:10 mircea_popescu: o i was getting free fashion advice from some musical talent on twitter earlier

00:25:18 mircea_popescu: and also strategy pointers from some webmaster

00:25:22 ThickAsThieves: i saw hehe

00:25:35 ThickAsThieves: take them suits down a notch

00:25:44 ThickAsThieves: too many buttoned buttons

00:25:49 mircea_popescu: twss.

00:26:08 mircea_popescu: no but srsly, it's ridiculous, we counted once. the total count of clothing items on ALL THE GIRLS

00:26:14 mircea_popescu: was less than the shit i wore.

00:26:23 mircea_popescu: i had 18 things on!

00:26:37 ThickAsThieves: see that's branding

00:26:39 ThickAsThieves: you get it

00:26:51 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what were you wearing, plate mail?

00:26:54 mircea_popescu: sounds more like medieval knighting

00:27:08 ThickAsThieves: Mircea Popescu Slave-Driving Billionaire Benevolent 18-piece Suit Aficionado

00:27:13 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lol. well, jacket, vest, tie, shirt, undershirt

00:27:21 mircea_popescu: there's a lot of crap that goes into dressing a man.

00:27:33 ThickAsThieves: shit i forgot to get Bitcoin in there

00:27:35 mircea_popescu: whereas women can get away with one sheer dress and shoes.

00:27:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 209 @ 0.0008841 = 0.1848 BTC [-]

00:28:18 asciilifeform: that's... 5 ?

00:28:35 mircea_popescu: "Women entrepreneurs, @Square is celebrating you with an event, & @Maggie will teach you important things:"

00:29:18 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hat, gloves, shoes, socks, complex supports and fulcrums for my cock and balls...

00:29:58 asciilifeform: complex supports and fulcrums << codpiece ?!

00:30:02 mircea_popescu: o btw

00:30:03 mircea_popescu: Yet the speaking public imagines #Bitcoin gives a shit @Recode A Long Tail of Whales: Half of Mobile Games Money Comes From 0.15% of Players

00:30:14 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lol nah. but longjohns!

00:30:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.49947999 BTC [+]

00:31:38 MisterE: thought we were going to have a lot more volatility yesterday than we did

00:31:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.1055 = 0.422 BTC [+]

00:31:57 MisterE: seems the market has already shrugged off and forgotten Mt.Cox

00:33:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.11749998 BTC [+]

00:35:07 mircea_popescu: "Not for #WomenInTech @Jane_Barratt Is pregnancy an indicator of engagement? @johnsonwhitney @thelist @RuthAnnH"

00:38:16 Bugpowder: Is Mark actually using the I forgot the password defense?

00:38:29 ThickAsThieves: where?

00:38:47 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all

00:38:52 gribble: MtGox BTCUSD last: 135.0, vol: 0.00000000 | Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 593.0, vol: 48924.47505468 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 572.93, vol: 32765.22516 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 596.0, vol: 37428.61558769 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 600.07, vol: 363.66288534 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 583.06265, vol: 14593.70900000 | Volume-weighted last average: 587.870330844

00:39:05 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: interesting re: serbo-croatian 'urban dictionary' - http://iraan.livejournal.com/426330.html

00:39:08 mircea_popescu: Bugpowder gotta play the entire book.

00:39:15 mircea_popescu: when i said they're redoing bitcoinica i meant it.

00:39:35 benkay: Bugpowder: sauce?

00:39:37 asciilifeform: 'ruska joga' (russian yoga) - to drink and fall asleep in amazing positions

00:39:37 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

00:39:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 250 @ 0.00599999 = 1.5 BTC [+] {2}

00:40:10 Bugpowder: so fucking funny

00:40:15 Bugpowder: On the plane back to LA

00:40:25 asciilifeform: or 'Лучше когда русские тебе отключат газ, чем немцы – пустят.' (better when the russians turn off your gas, then when germans open up the gas.'

00:40:33 Bugpowder: Time to work on my mtgox address analysis again.

00:40:47 mircea_popescu: albanian tourism lol

00:40:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00599999 = 0.3 BTC [+]

00:41:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15800 @ 0.00088305 = 13.9522 BTC [+]

00:41:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.1055 = 0.211 BTC [+] {2}

00:41:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-]

00:41:53 mircea_popescu: Боснийская пирамида ya right lol.

00:42:18 asciilifeform: they actually have this pyramid-shaped oddity there, i'm told

00:42:26 asciilifeform: tourist trap

00:43:26 mircea_popescu: i never heard of it

00:43:47 asciilifeform: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osmanagi%C4%87_pyramid_hypothesis

00:43:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.10589999 BTC [+]

00:44:03 mircea_popescu: "В Америке нигга, а в Белграде – цига"

00:44:08 asciilifeform: lol

00:44:11 mircea_popescu: this is possibly the mother of all false friends.

00:44:33 mircea_popescu: they think black people are a sort of us gypsies, but heh.

00:44:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25840 @ 0.0008855 = 22.8813 BTC [+]

00:45:31 mircea_popescu: Цыганский год ahahaha ok that i've heard.

00:45:39 asciilifeform: 'Украинец' (ukrainian) - infected usb stick.

00:45:40 kakobrekla: not just a tourist trap, some people are real belivers

00:45:44 mircea_popescu: amusingly, romanian uses "cat's tits" to indicate superlative achievement.

00:45:56 asciilifeform: american 'cat's meow'

00:45:59 kakobrekla: i have seen them with my own eyes and ears.

00:46:04 asciilifeform: (where this expression came from, i never knew)

00:46:37 jurov: http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/02/25/us-cybercrime-databreach-idUSBREA1O20S20140225

00:46:37 ozbot: 360 million newly stolen credentials on black market: cybersecurity firm

00:46:44 jurov: gpx seelling out?

00:46:48 jurov: *gox

00:47:01 kakobrekla: gox has only 1 mil

00:47:13 jurov: ic

00:48:37 mircea_popescu: in romanian it's probably cause it rhymes. tita de mita, t͡sɨt͡sa dø mɨt͡sa

00:49:07 asciilifeform: neat!

00:49:54 asciilifeform: now that you sounded it out, i'm pretty sure i heard it as a kid somewhere.

00:50:24 mircea_popescu: bee's knees is also onomatopaeic so there's a thick line of that.

00:51:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.11749998 = 0.235 BTC [+]

00:51:44 mircea_popescu: amusingly : romanians are universally convinced (through the virtues of nutty p;rimary education) that "romanian is the only language which is written as it is heard"

00:52:03 mircea_popescu: on the grounds that "of course" t, is read as t͡s

00:52:27 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2010/singura-limba-care/ if you care to read about me mocking them

00:52:27 ozbot: Singura limba care pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

00:52:38 asciilifeform: seems like everyone with at least a minimally non-braindamaged language grows up convinced of this re: the language

00:53:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.16230094 = 0.4869 BTC [-]

00:53:28 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2011/grafia-istorica-a-limbii-romane/ < and that re the utter pointlessness of "diacritics"

00:53:29 ozbot: Grafia istorica a limbii romane pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

00:54:16 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah, i'd say it's a good predictor of sovereignity really.

00:55:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.103 BTC [-]

00:55:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-]

00:55:57 asciilifeform: this post was... a call to throw out 'euro' keyboards?

00:56:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.06002501 = 0.2401 BTC [-] {3}

00:56:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.103 = 0.412 BTC [-] {3}

00:56:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.16230094 = 0.3246 BTC [-] {2}

00:58:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.16230094 = 0.3246 BTC [-]

00:58:21 kakobrekla: if you say write ass you speak and read as it is written, i say serbian

00:58:33 kakobrekla: lol ass. as.

00:59:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.49948 = 0.999 BTC [+]

00:59:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 39 @ 0.00599999 = 0.234 BTC [+]

01:00:44 mircea_popescu: pretty much

01:00:54 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla clearly your point is innvalid

01:01:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00599999 = 0.3 BTC [+]

01:01:18 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i've used the same us standard layout since the 80s.

01:01:25 mircea_popescu: back then it plugged into a XT

01:02:23 kakobrekla: mircea_popescu nah, you havent seen serbian subs.

01:02:37 mircea_popescu: you mean sandwiches ?

01:02:41 mircea_popescu: or like subtitles ?

01:02:42 kakobrekla: no

01:02:45 kakobrekla: yes

01:03:07 mircea_popescu: if (no ==== yes) eval (kako is a girl)

01:04:16 kakobrekla: anyway, that shit is hilarious.

01:04:50 mircea_popescu: i can't really comfortably read serbian fast enough to watch a movie

01:05:00 kakobrekla: dont blame you

01:05:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 17 @ 0.00599999 = 0.102 BTC [+]

01:06:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 550 @ 0.00593959 = 3.2668 BTC [-] {8}

01:07:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.507519 = 2.0301 BTC [+] {3}

01:07:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 26 @ 0.00599998 = 0.156 BTC [+]

01:11:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1500 @ 0.00017293 = 0.2594 BTC [-] {8}

01:11:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5097888 BTC [+]

01:12:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 64 @ 0.00599997 = 0.384 BTC [-] {2}

01:15:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 102 @ 0.00599998 = 0.612 BTC [-]

01:16:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 45 @ 0.0059 = 0.2655 BTC [-]

01:16:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10432 @ 0.00088574 = 9.24 BTC [+]

01:19:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 32 @ 0.48375982 = 15.4803 BTC [-] {13}

01:19:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 138 @ 0.0059 = 0.8142 BTC [-] {2}

01:20:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.471025 = 3.7682 BTC [-] {3}

01:21:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 634 @ 0.00461008 = 2.9228 BTC [-] {19}

01:37:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 629 @ 0.0059 = 3.7111 BTC [-]

01:39:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32745 @ 0.00088363 = 28.9345 BTC [-] {2}

01:43:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00599 = 0.599 BTC [+] {2}

01:43:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 106 @ 0.46069962 = 48.8342 BTC [-] {35}

01:43:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18783 @ 0.00087803 = 16.492 BTC [-]

01:44:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 555 @ 0.00599869 = 3.3293 BTC [+] {4}

01:45:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 24 @ 0.00599997 = 0.144 BTC [+]

01:46:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 482 @ 0.00599998 = 2.892 BTC [+] {3}

01:48:35 Bugpowder: BREAKING: Full Mt. Gox story coming... (self.Bitcoin)

01:48:36 Bugpowder: submitted 24 minutes ago by twobitidiot

01:48:37 Bugpowder: I now have all of the pieces to the #mtgox puzzle. Mt. Gox acted alone and in desperation. Comprehensive post after I lawyer up.

01:48:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 125 @ 0.00599999 = 0.75 BTC [+] {3}

01:48:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.10589 = 0.3177 BTC [+]

01:48:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.06168599 = 0.1234 BTC [+]

01:49:03 benkay: well with who else would they be acting?

01:49:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 20 @ 0.06168689 = 1.2337 BTC [+] {3}

01:50:24 mircea_popescu: lol he finally got through the fraudsters posts ?

01:50:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1400 @ 0.00593031 = 8.3024 BTC [-] {6}

01:51:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29450 @ 0.00087803 = 25.858 BTC [-]

01:53:45 asciilifeform: from the dark depths of the lulz mines: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/02/26/boeing_black/

01:58:08 duduqa: Hi

01:59:10 kakobrekla: hello

02:00:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24100 @ 0.00087656 = 21.1251 BTC [-] {2}

02:00:34 duduqa: first of all, I'd like to excuse myself for some dumb stuff I might say...I have no tech nor economics formal background, interested in austrian economics as a hobbist

02:00:42 duduqa: may I ask a few questions?

02:01:07 duduqa: It seems here's a better place to do so rather than reddit or bitcointalk

02:01:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00599993 = 0.24 BTC [-]

02:04:07 cazalla: proceed

02:05:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.47979998 = 4.798 BTC [+] {5}

02:05:18 duduqa: basically what would be your expectations of the consequences of a formal US government (declaraton of) ban of bitcoin. Even as noob as I was, I do not fear stuff as ~bitcoin will die~

02:05:42 duduqa: But would it be able to deter widespread adoption in a matter of generations?

02:05:53 duduqa: such as with marijuana?

02:06:13 duduqa: given the different dynamics of drugs and currency

02:06:15 cazalla: nfi, i'm a dimwit and just lurk

02:06:30 duduqa: what would be your expectations

02:06:35 asciilifeform: duduqa: generations!? usg is going the way of ck-kpss within the lives of those now living.

02:06:51 duduqa: asciilifeform: I think so

02:07:30 duduqa: asciilifeform: unpayable debt, moral degradation fueled by inflation and welfare state etc

02:08:16 duduqa: (brazilian here, english not that good, sorry)

02:08:30 cazalla: moral degradation, you'd fit in well at /pol/

02:09:02 asciilifeform: no one knows which politician will stand on what kind of tank and proclaim 'the former u.s.a...' but we've all seen this play before.

02:09:26 duduqa: asciilifeform: sorry, I couldn't understand

02:12:37 asciilifeform: duduqa: http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/54697000/jpg/_54697295_tank_reu464.jpg

02:13:16 duduqa: asciilifeform: :)

02:13:17 diametric: oh no. I just discovered archive.org's 42 gig mame collection.

02:14:32 asciilifeform: diametric: now all that remains is to buy a 'JXD' and say good-bye to productive career...

02:14:41 diametric: JXD?

02:15:00 asciilifeform: http://wiki.dingoonity.org/index.php?title=Other_Devices:JXD_S7800B

02:15:02 ozbot: Other Devices:JXD S7800B - Dingoonity Wiki

02:15:13 duduqa: asciilifeform: do you envision the possibility of bitpay and coinbase being shut down, as well as second market's BIT, bitcointalk and localbitcoins.com etc vanishing from america?

02:15:15 diametric: oh nice

02:15:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.48 = 2.88 BTC [+]

02:16:21 asciilifeform: duduqa: i can easily see a 'great firewall of usa' scenario

02:16:25 asciilifeform: use your imagination.

02:17:06 duduqa: asciilifeform: we are talking about a huuuuuuuuuuuuuge power, which is being the printer of the world's reserve currency

02:17:33 duduqa: asciilifeform: that's too much of a honeypot to let go without a good fight

02:17:59 kakobrekla: duduqa , somewhat relevant http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/matters-of-merchant-adoption/ and http://fraudsters.com/2013/the-future-of-bitcoin-regulation/

02:18:00 asciilifeform: duduqa: in english, 'honeypot' generally refers to a trap.

02:18:08 asciilifeform: like a mousetrap

02:18:20 duduqa: asciilifeform: sorry

02:18:42 duduqa: asciilifeform: let me clarify...that's too much power to let go

02:19:51 duduqa: kakobrekla: I will carefully read, thank you

02:21:04 duduqa: asciilifeform: I can also imagine a scenario in which such firewall happens to take place in the EU, China, Saudi Arabia, Japan, Russia, UAE, South America etc

02:21:08 ThickAsThieves: fwiw I don't believe USG is capable of any meaningful banning of bitcoin

02:22:07 asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: on the contrary, usg can ban whatever it likes. for instance, it is a serious crime in the u.s. to go to a bank and withdraw $2999.99.

02:22:19 asciilifeform: (check with lawyer for the current magic number.)

02:22:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 302 @ 0.00599 = 1.809 BTC [-]

02:22:34 duduqa: as disruptive to politics/government/central banks as bitcoin can be, I expect it to be treated and regarded as pedophilia in a short time

02:22:54 ThickAsThieves: i don't believe it is agile enough to anything meaningful quickly enough to matter

02:23:11 duduqa: asciilifeform: yep, the "it's ridiculous" argument doesn't stand in such discussion

02:23:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 400 @ 0.00599 = 2.396 BTC [-]

02:23:31 duduqa: ThickAsThieves: what saves us from bureaucracy is its inefficiency, indeed

02:23:34 asciilifeform: duduqa: expect to see many 'ridiculous' things come alive.

02:23:51 duduqa: asciilifeform: I see them everyday, and it drives me pretty depressed

02:24:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 20 @ 0.00599 = 0.1198 BTC [-]

02:24:43 ThickAsThieves: opponents of severe regulation/banning exist

02:24:48 ThickAsThieves: and are vocal

02:25:07 ThickAsThieves: and the arguments against bitcoin bring to the table equal criticisms on the dollar

02:25:15 ThickAsThieves: it's very difficult to argue away

02:25:27 ThickAsThieves: also banning it is moot

02:25:40 duduqa: asciilifeform: the question i ask is "would the adoption from small places such as cyprus, or Honduras ZEDEs, or African regions be enough to bring such wealth and power to overcome bitcoin's adversaries?"

02:25:50 asciilifeform: the way bans normally work in the u.s. (and elsewhere) is that the infrastructure needed for a proper ban is created under the pretext of 'humane' and 'reasonable' regulation

02:26:06 asciilifeform: then somebody merely needs to turn the dial

02:26:14 asciilifeform: from 'low' to 'max'

02:26:29 duduqa: asciilifeform: I never played poker, so I was not aware of the tremendous resources usg spent fighting against it

02:26:31 ThickAsThieves: furthermore, i believe hostility towards such innovation truly will lead to exodus

02:26:41 ThickAsThieves: not of everyone

02:26:44 ThickAsThieves: just the useful people

02:26:50 duduqa: ThickAsThieves: do you think so?

02:27:01 duduqa: ThickAsThieves: where to?

02:27:03 ThickAsThieves: i know it would be the last straw for me

02:27:21 Apocalyptic: <ThickAsThieves> just the useful people // yeah as mircea said

02:27:41 ThickAsThieves: even Canada would be an upgrade

02:27:51 ThickAsThieves: it already is

02:27:53 asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: if you're able to leave now, but are waiting for the ban... what are you smoking.

02:28:14 ThickAsThieves: i'm not waiting for anything but my wife to take me seriously

02:28:24 kakobrekla: lol

02:28:33 ThickAsThieves: :/

02:28:42 ThickAsThieves: put it on my grave i guess

02:28:43 duduqa: ThickAsThieves: did you read that document which presumably states that canada govt intends to choke bitcoin's infrastructure?

02:28:51 ThickAsThieves: no

02:29:03 ThickAsThieves: find it hard to believe as well

02:29:31 duduqa: http://blogs.wsj.com/canadarealtime/2014/02/11/canada-regulators-look-at-ways-to-get-a-better-handle-on-bitcoin/

02:29:32 ozbot: Canada Regulators Look at Ways to Get a Better Handle on Bitcoin - Canada Real Time - WSJ

02:29:34 asciilifeform: 'wisdom is - getting on the train one day before everybody else.' (attributed to leo szilard)

02:29:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38711 @ 0.00087608 = 33.9139 BTC [-] {3}

02:29:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.11749998 BTC [+]

02:29:57 diametric: stopping bitcoin will work about as well as stopping piracy.

02:30:24 duduqa: diametric: are you sure? it seems money operates under different dynamics

02:30:48 duduqa: diametric:it doesn't matter to you if only 5% adopt piracy

02:31:03 asciilifeform: btc is one thing, if you're handling u.s. dollar transactions from strangers, you'll be set up with a stoolie

02:31:08 duduqa: it is a whole different deal if only 0.05% embrace a currency

02:31:12 asciilifeform: i believe this is called 'controlled buy' by u.s. polizei

02:31:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1000 @ 0.00599998 = 6 BTC [+] {4}

02:31:41 ThickAsThieves: and what do they do about people already "in" bitcoin, yknow it doesnt require cashing out to use

02:31:47 asciilifeform: public exchanges are easy, defenceless targets.

02:32:02 duduqa: asciilifeform: exactly

02:32:14 duduqa: asciilifeform: localbitcoins.com as well

02:32:26 duduqa: asciilifeform: bitcointalk too

02:32:39 ThickAsThieves: they cant just erase the tech

02:32:43 ThickAsThieves: it exists

02:32:50 ThickAsThieves: assimilate or eliminate

02:32:51 duduqa: asciilifeform: I can easily imagine agents infiltrated in facebook groups to refrain people

02:33:17 diametric: duduqa: i think you'd be surprised the number of people that pirate content.

02:33:39 diametric: but yeah its not a great analogy

02:33:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51268 @ 0.0008752 = 44.8698 BTC [-] {4}

02:33:44 ThickAsThieves: i already suspect major news comment sections to be riddled with fake anti-bitcoin sentiments

02:34:11 duduqa: ThickAsThieves: the power of issuing global's reserve currency is enormous

02:34:23 asciilifeform: i'll repeat what i've said in the past:

02:34:30 asciilifeform: invent the parachute before, not after, being thrown.

02:34:31 duduqa: and once we enter another bubble, a lot more people will put money into bitcoin

02:35:29 ThickAsThieves: we can just buy off all the politicians if we need to

02:35:56 ThickAsThieves: i know you dont like them, but i'd love to donate to your campaign

02:36:05 ThickAsThieves: in bitcoin

02:36:06 duduqa: ThickAsThieves: no we can't

02:36:08 asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: good luck outbidding the folks who print usd

02:36:13 ThickAsThieves: true

02:36:18 duduqa: asciilifeform: perfect

02:36:25 ThickAsThieves: but this senator is singing for 30k

02:36:33 Apocalyptic: <asciilifeform> ThickAsThieves: good luck outbidding the folks who print usd // he has a point

02:36:35 ThickAsThieves: i guess thats just whats on record

02:36:38 duduqa: ThickAsThieves: do you really believe those figures?

02:36:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00599 = 0.2995 BTC [-]

02:36:44 ThickAsThieves: nah

02:37:14 duduqa: I am a deep believer of bitcoin/crypto's ultimate success

02:37:20 asciilifeform: 30k buys jpm a senator. it buys a somali 100k rounds of 7.62x39. it buys you: a toyota.

02:37:31 duduqa: but I ask myself if it might take generations to happen

02:37:31 Diablo-D3: wait

02:37:35 Diablo-D3: you can buy a senator for 30k?

02:37:39 Diablo-D3: prices have gone down

02:37:40 ThickAsThieves: i just have real difficulty imagining the USG's ability and story of how it may ban crypto

02:37:42 twizt: lol

02:37:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16282 @ 0.00087407 = 14.2316 BTC [-]

02:37:45 twizt: i thought it was 100k

02:37:46 twizt: min

02:37:53 Diablo-D3: I thought it was 1m min

02:38:02 twizt: nah thats congress bro

02:38:10 duduqa: ThickAsThieves: they are able to push this "money laundering" talk based on nothing

02:38:15 twizt: senators are cheapp

02:38:24 ThickAsThieves: and what if dollar laundering

02:38:26 mike_c: depends what you want. if all you want is for them to send a letter, it's cheap.

02:38:33 ThickAsThieves: you already have fincen on record saying it's worse

02:38:38 duduqa: ThickAsThieves: they were cynnical enough to say they dumped osama's body on the sea

02:38:53 twizt: ie. there never was osama

02:38:54 twizt: lol

02:39:03 twizt: ALL LIES

02:39:10 duduqa: ThickAsThieves: they can change oppinion as quick as Sen Schumer

02:39:58 duduqa: all that 6-year old plot, Obama whatching on a big screen, live...and sheeple swallowed

02:40:16 duduqa: what about banning a cryptocurrwhatever

02:40:39 duduqa: it would barely be news in Brazil

02:40:43 duduqa: much less a discussion

02:40:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 44 @ 0.00599999 = 0.264 BTC [+]

02:41:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7531 @ 0.00087803 = 6.6124 BTC [+]

02:45:01 duduqa: kakobrekla: read http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/matters-of-merchant-adoption/ and couldn't agree more

02:46:24 diametric: lol.. so latest story going around is MtGox's cold storage failed. As in they can't get the private keys to work properly..

02:46:32 diametric: I kind of want it to be that, because thats just hilarious

02:46:38 ThickAsThieves: Pete confuses "vast" majority with social media majority

02:47:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30011 @ 0.00087546 = 26.2734 BTC [-]

02:48:00 ThickAsThieves: I believe merchant adoption is just a malformed precursor to the 100% Pure Bitcoin Closed Loop Movement

02:49:28 duduqa: ThickAsThieves: don't you expect a war against usg before that?

02:50:11 ThickAsThieves: as in people invading US soil?

02:50:38 ThickAsThieves: not sure the relation you mean here

02:52:46 ThickAsThieves: maybe gox's coins were confiscated

02:53:02 duduqa: ThickAsThieves: don't you expect usg banning bitcoin before that happens

02:54:29 ThickAsThieves: i do not expect the US to ban it at all

02:55:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.103 BTC [-]

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02:55:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.00594256 = 2.9713 BTC [-] {6}

02:55:05 the20year1: how does cold storage fail? Do they lose the key?

02:55:27 ThickAsThieves: pretty much

02:55:58 decimation: I agree with TAT, I think the USG is too weak to actually ban bitcoin

02:56:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1000 @ 0.00053999 = 0.54 BTC [-]

02:57:36 ThickAsThieves: theyll prioritize AML at the fiat entry points, then taxation

02:57:38 decimation: As to asciilifeform's point about outbidding the fiat printers, I think that's quite possible in an environment where bitcoin is melting up

02:57:51 decimation: think owning gold in Weimar Germany

02:58:20 ThickAsThieves: the trick about taxation is a personally believe the IRS' grip on auditing to be a myth

02:58:33 ThickAsThieves: it's all automation

02:58:59 decimation: except if you actually get audited by a human

02:59:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 212 @ 0.00053997 = 0.1145 BTC [-] {2}

02:59:21 ThickAsThieves: wouldnt that require every citizen to audit his neighbor?

02:59:28 ThickAsThieves: the work is unfathomable

02:59:30 decimation: oh, it would be a lottery

02:59:39 decimation: only the unlucky will be culled

03:00:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59542 @ 0.00087273 = 51.9641 BTC [-] {4}

03:00:36 ThickAsThieves: more likely they sum up the amount of eligible tax deductions unclaimed against likely total of fraud and make sure they are still on winning side and call it a day

03:01:03 ThickAsThieves: then spend any real work pursuing Google and Apple

03:01:23 ThickAsThieves: etc

03:01:46 decimation: until there are real laws on the books it's going to be hard to prosecute bitcoin transactions for tax evasion

03:01:58 the20year1: is it provable/possible that gox has 740k bitcoins 'somewhere'?

03:02:04 ThickAsThieves: IRS would have any easier time if they adopted bitcoin really

03:02:07 decimation: if you pay any tax at all on your bitcoin you probably are safe

03:02:18 ThickAsThieves: ^ i'm not sure about that

03:02:38 ThickAsThieves: i suspect the word bitcoin in your taxes will put you on some list

03:02:58 decimation: well don't put bitcoin on your taxes duh

03:02:59 ThickAsThieves: better to just call it some other type of broader income

03:03:33 decimation: exactly. If you have records and a tax return to show you paid something, you are not going to be a target

03:03:49 decimation: at least, it ought to be laughed out of court

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03:07:00 the20year1: IRS i imagine will/can treat bitcoin just like transactions or barter

03:07:11 decimation: probably

03:07:19 decimation: supposedly they are going to issue guidance at some point

03:07:43 the20year1: Either they'll treat it like cash, make coinbase/kraken issue 1099Ks or make bitcoiners issue 1099c

03:07:46 decimation: that's where the 'land of the free' is today - waiting for government employees to issue instructions

03:08:15 the20year1: I was involved in a decently sized digital currency long before bitcoin, and the IRS just told them to issue 1099c to everyone who participated, the barter clause has been around for 50+ years

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03:10:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-]

03:11:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1028 BTC [-]

03:11:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-]

03:24:50 ThickAsThieves: lol there's a Dota 2 official fantasy league now

03:25:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-]

03:26:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1000 @ 0.00589988 = 5.8999 BTC [-] {6}

03:30:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.494 BTC [+]

03:31:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.49499999 = 0.99 BTC [+] {2}

03:31:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 140 @ 0.00598999 = 0.8386 BTC [+] {2}

03:32:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.495 = 3.465 BTC [+]

03:40:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 44 @ 0.00598996 = 0.2636 BTC [-] {2}

03:44:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.103 BTC [+]

03:44:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-]

03:46:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.117499 BTC [-]

03:46:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.10280001 BTC [-]

03:46:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-]

03:47:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14487 @ 0.00085811 = 12.4314 BTC [-]

03:51:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 171 @ 0.00599 = 1.0243 BTC [+]

03:57:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17163 @ 0.00085811 = 14.7277 BTC [-]

03:58:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00598997 = 0.2995 BTC [-] {2}

04:02:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 366 @ 0.0059994 = 2.1958 BTC [+] {3}

04:08:52 MisterE: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57619592-38/sen-manchin-demands-complete-us-ban-on-bitcoin/

04:08:53 ozbot: Sen. Manchin demands complete US ban on Bitcoin | Politics and Law - CNET News

04:09:44 the20year1: He's gonna lose his seat anyway

04:12:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 83 @ 0.0059999 = 0.498 BTC [+]

04:13:32 Apocalyptic: good luck with that Sen

04:14:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19373 @ 0.00084702 = 16.4093 BTC [-]

04:15:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 297 @ 0.00599998 = 1.782 BTC [+]

04:17:32 the20year1: he's already on the block for supporting gun control in west virgina

04:18:50 asciilifeform: purpose of this joker is to push 'overton window.'

04:19:31 asciilifeform: after him, 'reasonable, humane regulation' will slip by quietly.

04:23:06 Apocalyptic: makes sense

04:32:34 Apocalyptic: .d

04:32:34 ozbot: 3.130 billion | Next Diff in 257 blocks | Estimated Change: 20.2684% in 1d 10h 2m 54s

04:36:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 28 @ 0.00599998 = 0.168 BTC [+]

04:39:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.061 = 0.122 BTC [+]

04:39:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 37 @ 0.00599998 = 0.222 BTC [+] {2}

04:40:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 60 @ 0.00599998 = 0.36 BTC [+] {2}

04:43:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 28 @ 0.0059995 = 0.168 BTC [-]

04:51:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27027 @ 0.00084702 = 22.8924 BTC [-]

05:07:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 80 @ 0.005999 = 0.4799 BTC [-]

05:08:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 78 @ 0.0045 = 0.351 BTC [-] {2}

05:14:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 20 @ 0.00599177 = 0.1198 BTC [-] {2}

05:18:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 28 @ 0.005999 = 0.168 BTC [+]

05:20:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.11749981 = 0.705 BTC [+] {3}

05:21:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 67 @ 0.00599998 = 0.402 BTC [+]

05:23:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 83 @ 0.00599998 = 0.498 BTC [+]

05:24:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 25 @ 0.00599791 = 0.1499 BTC [-] {2}

05:25:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41765 @ 0.00084361 = 35.2334 BTC [-] {3}

05:27:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 129 @ 0.00597729 = 0.7711 BTC [+] {2}

05:27:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.4949 BTC [-]

05:38:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 499 @ 0.00085104 = 0.4247 BTC [+] {2}

05:40:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.06167978 = 0.1234 BTC [+]

05:46:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20683 @ 0.00084526 = 17.4825 BTC [+] {2}

05:48:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4496 @ 0.0008459 = 3.8032 BTC [+] {2}

05:50:58 Apocalyptic: http://www.scribd.com/doc/209535200/Business-Plan-MtGox-2014-2017

05:50:58 ozbot: Business Plan MtGox 2014-2017

05:58:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6850 @ 0.00084086 = 5.7599 BTC [-]

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05:59:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 184 @ 0.0059 = 1.0856 BTC [-]

06:12:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 20 @ 0.00599899 = 0.12 BTC [+]

06:15:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 146 @ 0.00599997 = 0.876 BTC [+]

06:20:44 mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/CharlieShrem/status/438891752079249408

06:20:45 ozbot: Twitter / CharlieShrem: Can I bet on myself? "Charlie ...

06:20:51 mircea_popescu: shrem encounters a dilemma.

06:20:52 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla ^

06:23:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26500 @ 0.00084252 = 22.3268 BTC [+]

06:24:34 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: fwiw I don't believe USG is capable of any meaningful banning of bitcoin << that'd depend on the definition of meaningful,

06:24:46 mircea_popescu: specifically if you'd say it has currently succeeded in meaningfully banning smoking.

06:24:58 mircea_popescu: if you believe it has then yes it is. if you don't then no it isn't.

06:25:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.11749999 = 0.3525 BTC [+] {2}

06:26:04 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "The Boeing Black phone is manufactured as a sealed device both with epoxy around the casing and with screws, the heads of which are covered with tamper proof covering to identify attempted disassembly."

06:26:15 mircea_popescu: and diametric too i guess : does that make any sense ?

06:26:24 mircea_popescu: i mean either epoxy or seals, can these both work in any sense ?

06:28:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27004 @ 0.00084414 = 22.7952 BTC [+] {2}

06:29:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6096 @ 0.00084899 = 5.1754 BTC [+]

06:35:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 41 @ 0.00595 = 0.244 BTC [-]

06:44:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 79 @ 0.00595 = 0.4701 BTC [-] {2}

06:46:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.0055 = 0.11 BTC

06:53:22 Apocalyptic: http://two-bit-idiot.tumblr.com/

06:53:23 ozbot: The Two-Bit Idiot

06:54:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 30 @ 0.00599996 = 0.18 BTC [+]

06:55:18 Apocalyptic: the last entry published minutes ago sums up the events

06:56:50 mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic absolutely nothing new or newsworthy in there.

06:57:57 Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, i wasn't aware of the "Mandalah Consulting" part

07:00:04 Apocalyptic: also nubbins` seemed to be sure the first leaked document was fake, this proves otherwise

07:00:12 jurov: Gonzague Gay-Bouchery, Manager, Business Development Division

07:00:43 jurov: ..in charge of growing the business for MtGox by initiating parnerships

07:02:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 41 @ 0.00599997 = 0.246 BTC [+]

07:03:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 18 @ 0.00599996 = 0.108 BTC [-]

07:03:12 mircea_popescu: "This meeting triggered a chain reaction of events in which the solicited investors rebuffed Karpeles and his colleagues" vs "Feb 23 12:23:59 <mircea_popescu> may be that they've found a sucker, but that story'll end if i find him too."

07:03:21 mircea_popescu: you're still better off reading -assets.

07:03:39 Apocalyptic: I'm not arguing that :)

07:03:52 mircea_popescu: hehe

07:04:00 mircea_popescu: well i'm not arguing more people writing is a bad thing.

07:04:17 mircea_popescu: guy is a little young and naive tho, managed to come off rather impudent.

07:04:41 Apocalyptic: he said something about consulting his lawyer first on reddit

07:04:57 mircea_popescu: yeah because that costs money.

07:05:00 benkay: twobit whatever?

07:05:16 mircea_popescu: every two bit whoever is "talking to his lawyers" these days, have you noticed ?

07:06:08 Apocalyptic: gives some self-importance illusion

07:06:47 mircea_popescu: i don't think it's even that to be honest, it's more like a quest to belong.

07:06:51 jurov: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1yzbhg/bitstamps_bank_refused_to_open_me_a_bank_account/ i'd like to highlight davout's peformance here instead

07:07:03 mircea_popescu: say poor black kid trying to get accepted by wasps ? he pretends to like wop or w/e stupid music they like.

07:07:13 mircea_popescu: he never ever even bought a record, as they're not sold where he lives

07:07:19 mircea_popescu: and he can't even name a band

07:07:25 mircea_popescu: but he LOOOO=ooooo=OOOVES wop

07:07:40 mircea_popescu: baa dop bip bee-dop wop wop

07:07:53 mircea_popescu: bout the same thing here too, reddit kids "talk to their lawyers".

07:08:07 mircea_popescu: the music rich people listen to.

07:08:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 21 @ 0.00599996 = 0.126 BTC [-] {2}

07:08:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.10589 = 0.3177 BTC [+]

07:09:31 benkay: har

07:09:50 benkay: my lawyer has one job: keep my ass outta trouble.

07:09:55 mircea_popescu: anyway, pulled his chain a little on twitter, curious what comes of that.

07:10:09 copumpkin: benkay: the rest of you is fair game?

07:10:13 benkay: man fuck twitter

07:10:23 benkay: such import over 140 characters

07:10:26 *: copumpkin goes to sleep

07:10:37 benkay: every derp face crafting their derpy 140 char dropping for the internet

07:10:54 mircea_popescu: benkay nono you don't understand. "strategy and research"

07:10:59 benkay: bah

07:11:07 benkay: and humbug to boot

07:11:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.0229748 = 0.2297 BTC [-] {4}

07:11:14 mircea_popescu: i fucking love the bs bios they coime up with

07:11:24 mircea_popescu: "coffeeinneusseur"

07:11:34 mircea_popescu: "chief colorist at large"

07:11:48 benkay: mircea_popescu imma ragequit at you

07:11:56 davout: good morning!

07:11:58 mircea_popescu: Disruption Revolutionizer Extraordinaire & Evangelist.

07:12:11 mircea_popescu: davout hai

07:12:54 mircea_popescu: basically twitter is what i always wanted as a kid in school : a chance to spy on the losers conversations.

07:13:16 mircea_popescu: you know how there's this loser group and they always talk among themselves but if you go by they get all awkward ?

07:13:32 mircea_popescu: and you can't send any of the girls to spy on them either cause they get even awkwarder if any girls are within like a mile ?

07:13:59 mircea_popescu: really fucking difficult to get good data to mock them into insanity like that ;/

07:16:46 benkay: hey davout tunes?

07:17:40 benkay: also who's making odds on when mp hires a twittr troll?

07:17:52 twizt: lol

07:17:58 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: i already suspect major news comment sections to be riddled with fake anti-bitcoin sentiments << this is probably true just on the general instinct of the beast, meaning that on some level welfare-dependent scum writing the stuff is aware bitcoin will kill it and wants to survive.

07:18:00 benkay: a fuck it has an e these days

07:18:19 mircea_popescu: the more concerning thing however is that mah people are measuring incredible levels of random-forum-oposition to bitcoin,

07:18:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.0055 = 0.11 BTC

07:18:38 mircea_popescu: coming from supposedly jane and jons next door, who however mysteriously all share the same stupid talking points.

07:19:02 mircea_popescu: and this makes no sense because for the money it'd cost to plant 1mn idiots in 100k forums nobody really reads, the attacker could jhust as well have built a mining farm

07:19:09 mircea_popescu: cheaper, faster, safer and overal better.

07:19:14 mircea_popescu: so i have no idea what gives in there.

07:19:31 B007: benkay: implying he hasn't hired a troll for irc and twitter already

07:19:31 benkay: pathologies of the welfare state?

07:19:48 mircea_popescu: benkay perhaps ? it is i confess one of the foremost riddles in my head.

07:20:12 benkay: perhaps consider that the forum planting may be highly automated

07:20:27 mircea_popescu: they don't have ai that good.

07:20:42 benkay: there are shortcuts

07:20:51 benkay: given thread, here are 10 replies. select one.

07:20:51 mircea_popescu: no, there aren't, because see you end up signing it.

07:20:56 mircea_popescu: i start sifting the data and spot patters

07:21:02 mircea_popescu: so far not spotting much tho.

07:21:26 mircea_popescu: basically the problems of 1) do what you describe and 2) make a rsa key are homologous.

07:21:35 mircea_popescu: i can attack both with the same math.

07:22:00 benkay: enlighten me, oh sage

07:22:14 mircea_popescu: well but as to which part ?

07:22:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.10589999 = 0.3177 BTC [+]

07:22:38 benkay: okay, i'm an idiot!

07:22:44 mircea_popescu: yw.

07:22:45 benkay: like i'm five

07:22:52 mircea_popescu: o i thought you had got it lol.

07:23:01 benkay: no no you see i am actually retarded

07:23:14 benkay: plus these logs are a thing for posterity

07:23:20 mircea_popescu: ok. suppose i hire you to do this job. now you have to make 100k posts a day from supposedly 100k different handles on 1mn forums.

07:23:29 mircea_popescu: you write code to do this.

07:23:38 benkay: or some subset thereof.

07:23:48 mircea_popescu: an attacker sees 50k posts on 400k forums, compares the timing of them and knows what processors you are using.

07:23:59 mircea_popescu: side channel attack ? win.

07:24:08 mircea_popescu: at large volumes, all data generation is key generation.

07:24:50 benkay: so timing's the obvious side-channel, what others have you looked at?

07:25:30 mircea_popescu: a coupla hundred different datasets that don't really coallesce.

07:25:36 benkay: and also have you actually run the numbers on post timing?!

07:25:58 mircea_popescu: i'd be surprised if i were the only one.

07:26:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 273 @ 0.00595347 = 1.6253 BTC [-] {4}

07:27:10 benkay: timing's obvious, though. what other axes tend to show patterns in these problem spaces?

07:27:20 mircea_popescu: well obviously i'm not discussing that.

07:27:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53156 @ 0.00084693 = 45.0194 BTC [-] {3}

07:27:31 mircea_popescu: if it wasn't obvious by the previous two passes :D

07:27:34 benkay: i thought you got out of the consulting game!

07:27:49 benkay: let a kid joust, mp

07:27:52 benkay: ain't no harm innit

07:28:12 mircea_popescu: i guess i ended up self-employed in a consulting capacity. again.

07:29:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.0229999 = 0.115 BTC [+]

07:31:08 benkay: hey so i did this talk on lisp tonight

07:31:09 jurov: "consultant for troll activity data mining"

07:31:12 benkay: and WHAT DO YOU FUCKING KNOW

07:31:32 benkay: at the bar on the tab of some poor company with a business model and shit trying to recruit developers and whatnot

07:31:52 benkay: errybody's all "hey benkay benkay what ams a bitcoin eh?"

07:32:13 benkay: i actually may have hammered into the heads of some folks that maybe the 'dev team' is a joke

07:32:40 mircea_popescu: benkay incidentally, that's such splendid bias.

07:32:54 mircea_popescu: most sane people (and defo anyone in finance) strongly despises "devs"

07:32:59 mircea_popescu: every geek worships devs.

07:33:05 mircea_popescu: cause you know, in geek space the dev is god.

07:33:36 benkay: ya well there's a reason there's basically no technical literature on the company site

07:33:40 mircea_popescu: kinda curious how the dev thing (as a cultural construct mind you) will fare.

07:34:13 benkay: uh

07:34:47 benkay: those with mastery of toolchains that enable productivity will help those with capital multiply it and everyone else will serve as labor in the oop salt mines?

07:35:01 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform Apocalyptic here's the problem : http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-02-2014#533543

07:35:10 mircea_popescu: the soviets also printed their own usd.

07:35:29 mircea_popescu: nevertheless we were plainly able to buy their bureaucracy once the politburo was unable to keep the suit shops supplied.

07:35:48 mircea_popescu: benkay i meant culturally not economically.

07:35:53 mircea_popescu: kinda clear how economy works.

07:36:19 benkay: i hope you're picking up on the sarcasm around 'business model and shit'

07:36:47 mircea_popescu: i am 12 and what is sarcasm ?

07:37:00 benkay: it's pretty sad man

07:37:07 mircea_popescu: sadgasm.

07:37:09 benkay: dev: "oh these guys have some boring business that makes money"

07:37:16 benkay: me: ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

07:37:34 benkay: dudes foot the bill for the whole night

07:37:42 benkay: none of the nerds are willing to step within ten feet of them

07:37:57 mircea_popescu: lol.

07:38:09 benkay: i don't fucking get it

07:38:16 mircea_popescu: didn't i just say that above re twitter ?

07:38:17 mircea_popescu: :D

07:38:50 benkay: i stand up and talk about esoteric shit for twenty minutes, go talk to these dudes, they buy me drinks all night and tell me war stories about breaking relatives out of the shah's basement gaeol

07:39:14 benkay: climbing el capitan with proto-burners, pre-burning man

07:39:31 benkay: everyone else is going on about something in python lib 3

07:39:31 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: 30k buys jpm a senator. it buys a somali 100k rounds of 7.62x39. it buys you: a toyota. << this is not exactly correct tho. consider : i have three girls, they kinda like each other. like-like. they share an appartment, we sometimes fuck. the whole shebang costs me maybe 30k a year. prolly less.

07:39:38 benkay: I MEAN SERIOUSLY GET YOUR HEADS TOGETHER

07:39:40 mircea_popescu: does 30k buy me three young sluts ?

07:40:21 mircea_popescu: benkay you're clearly a traitor to the holy cause of geekery.

07:40:35 benkay: i ain't nobody's anything.

07:40:37 mircea_popescu: careful who you tell or you may end up convicted to six months' eyeroll therapy.

07:40:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00599997 = 0.24 BTC [+]

07:41:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00599998 = 1.2 BTC [+]

07:41:52 benkay: everyone knows i'm only peripherally interested in technology as a tool to make shitloads of money.

07:42:20 benkay: expectations is well-managed.

07:42:27 benkay: hyphens is well-deployed.

07:42:32 benkay: my shit is TIGHT.

07:42:35 benkay: if undercapitalized.

07:42:50 mircea_popescu: what for, to buy a senator ?

07:43:05 benkay: to prototype subsea mining drones

07:43:36 mircea_popescu: and robot nucular subs ?

07:43:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 50 @ 0.00549899 = 0.2749 BTC [+] {6}

07:43:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.11749999 = 0.3525 BTC [+]

07:43:53 benkay: pff subs

07:44:08 mircea_popescu: subs are cool.

07:44:31 jurov: benkay IPO it on havelock , like DEEPMINING

07:44:45 benkay: manned submersibles? how are manned submersibles not the worst engineering decision you could make?

07:44:55 mircea_popescu: you missed the robot part ?

07:45:08 mircea_popescu: a robot nuclear submarine is perhaps one of the best power projectors available.

07:45:17 benkay: fine fine

07:45:20 jurov: until someone hacks it

07:45:25 mircea_popescu: it never needs to surface

07:45:31 benkay: (but for the record robotic does not exclude manned)

07:45:31 mircea_popescu: and it can communicate on mpex protocol.

07:45:34 jurov: lol

07:45:42 mircea_popescu: hehe

07:46:03 davout: benkay: uploading

07:46:13 mircea_popescu: anyway : aircraft easy to spot. a well designed sub is impossible to spot.

07:46:42 mircea_popescu: aircraft impossible to make large enough for nuclear power to work. submarines pretty much only work as nukes.

07:46:45 jurov: LAUNCH|caliber|qty|target

07:46:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 7 @ 0.16230094 = 1.1361 BTC [-]

07:46:59 mircea_popescu: lolz

07:47:38 mircea_popescu: benkay actually, check it out : robot 3d printing nuclear marine exploatation sub.

07:47:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 88 @ 0.00599998 = 0.528 BTC [+]

07:47:55 mircea_popescu: it just sits on the bottom of the sea, like 3-4 miles long, half a mile thick sort of catfish

07:47:59 mircea_popescu: and it just makes more of itself.

07:48:18 benkay: kombucha armaments

07:48:27 mircea_popescu: then one day, they emerge

07:48:33 mircea_popescu: i think we have a decent sf novel premise here.

07:48:43 benkay: i thought we agreed "no grey goo"!

07:49:10 mircea_popescu: nono, these never run amok.

07:49:17 mircea_popescu: they just disciplinedly reorganise the world.

07:49:17 B007: i know someone who'll write it

07:49:26 mircea_popescu: i can't imagine a better metaphore for bitcoin

07:49:34 mircea_popescu: there's all these people on the surface redditing about shit.

07:49:43 mircea_popescu: meanwhile, in the depths...

07:49:46 B007: lol

07:50:04 mircea_popescu: soon enough the uk falls into the see

07:50:06 mircea_popescu: sea*

07:50:10 B007: wot

07:50:27 mircea_popescu: because the undersubs thought it expedient to cut an eighty mile tall hole in the bedrock supporting it

07:50:32 mircea_popescu: because pretty crystals.

07:50:39 benkay: hey mircea_popescu are you familiar with the skylon dudes?

07:50:50 mircea_popescu: various us senators make proclamations about how intolerable this is.

07:50:52 mircea_popescu: the subs care, deeply.

07:50:57 mircea_popescu: benkay notrly ?

07:51:41 benkay: single stage to orbit with an air-breathing rocket

07:51:53 mircea_popescu: o o that. yeah heard of it

07:52:36 benkay: skylon and nautilus

07:52:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30450 @ 0.00084193 = 25.6368 BTC [-] {2}

07:52:56 benkay: 2 companies that may fall over dead within the next 5 years whose technologies should not be let rust

07:52:58 mircea_popescu: how you gonna launch airbreathing rocket 4 miles underwater ?

07:53:20 benkay: with an inflated launch tube duh

07:53:34 benkay: emerging nearly tangent to the surface

07:54:00 mircea_popescu: butwait.

07:54:06 mircea_popescu: nonono.

07:54:11 benkay: *shooop* exit opens 50ms before nose of vehicle breaches *shoop* closes behind vehicle

07:54:15 mircea_popescu: the tube strength and relative pressure required to not crush it at depth

07:54:20 mircea_popescu: ensures it does not emerge to surface.

07:54:47 benkay: weight one end so as it hangs down super deep

07:55:08 mircea_popescu: i think you don't take my meaning. consider :

07:55:28 mircea_popescu: let pI be internal pressure, pE be external pressure.

07:55:31 benkay: also if internal pressure = external pressure are hoop stresses really significant? don;t they only have to resist osmotic leaking through membrane?

07:55:40 mircea_popescu: pI-pE defines the strength of the tube wall

07:55:48 mircea_popescu: Stw defines weight of the entire thing

07:56:00 mircea_popescu: Wtet defines pI - pE

07:56:23 benkay: pI = pE, tho

07:56:31 mircea_popescu: then why's it buoy ?

07:56:36 benkay: it's not

07:56:41 benkay: why would it be?

07:56:42 mircea_popescu: then how does it climb 4 miles ?

07:56:47 jurov: it can be supported by external buoys

07:56:51 mircea_popescu: cause you're launching it from the ocean floor.

07:56:52 benkay: it's an inflated tube, yo

07:56:54 jurov: but really, what would be filled by?

07:56:55 mircea_popescu: ...

07:56:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1050 @ 0.00018514 = 0.1944 BTC [+] {2}

07:57:05 mircea_popescu: you want to make a tube 4 miles long ?

07:57:08 mircea_popescu: in WATER ?

07:57:26 benkay: no what i want to do is go fuck my girl

07:57:28 benkay: peace

07:57:33 mircea_popescu: good idea.

07:57:36 mircea_popescu: use your inflatable tube.

07:57:37 jurov: you'd get, like, supercritical (almost liquid) co2 at that pressure

07:59:30 jurov: just building 4km high tower would be much easier

07:59:43 jurov: on the land, i mean

08:03:00 jurov: and he wonders why devs hate him

08:03:12 jurov: spouts infeasible idea on them

08:03:24 jurov: and then goes away like "okay imma fuck"

08:04:07 mircea_popescu: B007 who'll write it ?

08:04:43 mircea_popescu: jurov no in this case it's competent self management. i was inches from going "oh go get laid, you're nuts" at him.

08:08:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00599998 = 0.6 BTC [+] {2}

08:08:55 B007: mircea_popescu: im not here any more, i left long ago

08:09:03 mircea_popescu: lolk

08:09:06 mircea_popescu: so where are you ?

08:09:13 B007: idk

08:09:37 B007: my sister likes writing novels

08:09:52 B007: sci fi

08:09:53 mircea_popescu: well if she ever writes it have her drop a link here.

08:09:58 B007: lol k

08:11:47 B007: in your twitter pic...WHAT IN THE BAG?

08:11:54 mircea_popescu: chocolate, clothes...

08:12:15 mircea_popescu: we were either coming from or going to the beach

08:12:18 davout: ;;later tell benkay https://www.dropbox.com/s/bbbwomroz8l51p0/Cellissimo.zip

08:12:19 gribble: The operation succeeded.

08:13:48 mircea_popescu: what are these gypsy muzaks

08:14:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.1063 = 0.5315 BTC [+]

08:14:25 davout: nah, some cello assortment

08:14:52 davout: i start hooking them on the soft stuff before moving on the hardcore, expensive stuff

08:15:01 mircea_popescu: this sounds familiar.

08:15:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25700 @ 0.00084766 = 21.7849 BTC [+]

08:15:30 B007: you made the SEC hang out on irc - lol

08:15:44 B007: I have to look at the logs..

08:16:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.10679999 BTC [+]

08:18:44 mircea_popescu: everyone has to look at the logs all the time

08:18:52 mircea_popescu: it's the only tenet of the assets faith

08:20:59 davout: should get printed out and sold like a bitcoin almanach

08:21:26 B007: only 365 revisions per year!

08:22:00 davout: i'm sure if you print out the previous year for use in N+1 it'd still be useful to some!

08:22:24 mircea_popescu: nubsy was doing something like that.

08:22:39 mircea_popescu: of course he's special so he can't really block print, he has to draw.

08:22:44 davout: fitting it on thshirts :D

08:22:54 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell nubbins` ^

08:22:55 gribble: The operation succeeded.

08:27:22 jurov: that would be a tech feat, fitting so much data there

08:27:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20539 @ 0.00084798 = 17.4167 BTC [+] {2}

08:27:45 jurov: but i have an idea, put bash quotes on tshirt as qr codes

08:27:55 jurov: nubbins, imma get 10% of that

08:28:46 mircea_popescu: o look decimation had it before me :D sorry, hadn't read the entire log.

08:29:56 mircea_popescu: the20year1: is it provable/possible that gox has 740k bitcoins 'somewhere'? < that figure includes all their numerous historical losses going back 4 years, converted to bitcoin at the time of loss

08:30:06 mircea_popescu: this method vastly overstates it.

08:33:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3600 @ 0.00084851 = 3.0546 BTC [+]

08:34:15 davout: i'd be really curious to see some verified numbers

08:34:23 jurov: using that method they could have easily lost more than total btc in circulation

08:34:39 jurov: at least something to be remembered for

08:34:44 mircea_popescu: davout it never was audited.

08:34:47 mircea_popescu: that part is true.

08:35:12 InfiniteRadio_: Shirts are great...i put "Justin Bieber stole my girlfriend" on 25 shirts and sold em all for $20 on my campus...although my "I don't care about pizza...i only care about parties" didn't do so hot....broke even though with the biebs

08:35:13 mircea_popescu: jurov they lost about 200k in one go o nthat 1 cent/btc debacle in 2011 if you recall

08:35:19 mircea_popescu: they lost like 50k buying some bs polish exchange

08:35:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.06167978 = 0.1234 BTC [+] {2}

08:35:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.1023 = 0.2046 BTC [-] {2}

08:35:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.16230094 = 0.3246 BTC [-] {2}

08:35:40 mircea_popescu: about 600k of those claimed 750k happened by 2012.

08:35:50 davout: yeah, probably not, would still be curious about the results of some sort of forensic financial audit

08:36:01 mircea_popescu: InfiniteRadio_ what campus is that /

08:36:21 jurov: everything is possible with enough fractional "reserve"

08:36:25 davout: the polish exchange was 17k iirc

08:36:35 InfiniteRadio_: This was @ OCC back in 11

08:36:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.06167978 = 0.3084 BTC [+] {2}

08:36:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.10200002 = 0.51 BTC [-] {2}

08:36:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.16230094 = 0.8115 BTC [-] {2}

08:36:55 mircea_popescu: davout at the time they were throwing money around

08:37:02 davout: pretty much

08:37:07 mircea_popescu: i just lumped together all the "pr moves" around their first capital injection

08:37:21 mircea_popescu: you know, like neobee's geting in all cypruss newspapers (for an undisclosed cost)

08:37:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18022 @ 0.00084603 = 15.2472 BTC [-]

08:39:53 davout: i'm also kinda wondering whether it'll be a 100% haircut on BTC for everyone, or some lower number

08:40:20 mircea_popescu: "everyone" ?

08:42:23 jurov: he prolly means all gox users

08:42:38 davout: yup

08:42:47 davout: my account there is empty since 2011

08:44:12 mircea_popescu: everyone takes a 100% loss.

08:44:22 mircea_popescu: mtgox can't even cover the btc it owes the bitcoinica liquidators.

08:44:44 mircea_popescu: the only thing is the bitcoin trademark, which was IDIOTICALLY assigned to mtgox by people without a clue

08:44:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.4965989 = 9.932 BTC [+] {5}

08:44:51 davout: that, i believe, is one of the most plausible scenarii

08:44:58 mircea_popescu: and now is up for grabs by whatever ill intended agency.

08:45:03 davout: oh yeah, i forgot about the trademark

08:45:19 mircea_popescu: which is why strategically competent people called themselves MPEx rather than BTCex

08:45:37 mircea_popescu: but hey, what's the rush to figuring things out.

08:45:49 jurov: u sure no one has trademarked "mircea popescu" ?

08:46:25 jurov: or "mpex"

08:46:30 mircea_popescu: you can't hold a trademark on people's legal names against their use thereof.

08:46:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27002 @ 0.00084863 = 22.9147 BTC [+] {3}

08:46:58 davout: i'm not sure the bitcoin trademark is worth that much

08:47:11 davout: i'm pretty sure the "goxxed" term is worth more xD

08:47:29 davout: imagine all the goxxed goodies you could make

08:47:36 mircea_popescu: lol

08:47:36 davout: thinkgeek would be all over it

08:47:40 jurov: http://tmsearch.uspto.gov/bin/gate.exe?f=searchss&state=4810:ry2ygn.1.1 go there, search for mpex

08:47:47 jurov: there's something

08:48:08 davout: "introducing the goxxed dildo, can get in, but with its spikes, IT CAN'T GET OU!!1"

08:48:31 jurov: coinbr gets no results \o/

08:49:25 jurov: "For example, the search term *DOG* ..." lmaooooo

08:50:23 mircea_popescu: jurov thee's a lot of stuff. Pharmaceutical preparations for the treatment of pulmonary, inflammatory and infectious diseases ; Management and organization of multi-purpose exhibit showrooms for others ; Electric and electronic video surveillance installations.

08:50:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 27 @ 0.00541111 = 0.1461 BTC [-] {3}

08:51:04 davout: i don't know how it works in other countries, but in france when you trademark sthg, you must also specify the scope in terms of activity the trademark is to be used in

08:51:24 jurov: yes, it's there, too

08:51:55 jurov: however, it remains to consideration whether retardation is "pulmonary, inflammatory and infectious disease"

08:52:36 mircea_popescu: davout thjat's how it works everywhere, trade harmonisation etc.

08:52:39 mircea_popescu: for instance

08:52:50 davout: good to know!

08:53:02 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2011/fraudsters?/

08:54:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00599998 = 0.3 BTC [+]

08:55:54 mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/432923293687885824 aaahhh

08:55:55 ozbot: Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: Btw fatso @MagicalTux : recall ...

08:55:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 163 @ 0.00599998 = 0.978 BTC [+]

08:56:24 jurov: so, you have yor bases covered... but if you started developing retardation treatment drops, i'd be concerned a bit :D

08:56:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 33 @ 0.00599998 = 0.198 BTC [+]

08:57:13 mircea_popescu: jurov i guess i'd just use a diff name

08:57:20 mircea_popescu: mebbe i call them... Burnside

08:57:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19553 @ 0.00085114 = 16.6423 BTC [+]

08:59:39 dexX7_: mircea_popescu: did you receive any offering for gox?

08:59:53 mircea_popescu: dexX7_ hm ?

09:01:16 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-02-2014#523392 < i suspect that is the link you're looking for.

09:01:18 ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log

09:01:22 dexX7_: there are those rumors that multiple investors were contacted to bailout/buy gox etc.

09:03:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19348 @ 0.00084967 = 16.4394 BTC [-]

09:10:33 mark0v: whats the latest conspiracy theory on GOX coins??

09:11:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-]

09:11:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 35 @ 0.00599998 = 0.21 BTC [+]

09:13:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15000 @ 0.00084915 = 12.7373 BTC [-]

09:13:16 mircea_popescu: yes, they were/

09:14:06 jurov: mark0v: just check the twobitidiots blog

09:14:18 mark0v: doesnt really say where the coins are

09:14:27 mark0v: i.e. lost cold storage, stolen, etc

09:14:33 mark0v: no news on where the actual coins are yet...

09:14:51 mark0v: blockchain is publically auditable, we need the withdrawl logs

09:15:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-]

09:17:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.4999 = 4.999 BTC [+]

09:18:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.16230094 = 1.623 BTC [-]

09:19:16 mircea_popescu: mark0v http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-02-2014#534574

09:19:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.16230094 = 0.8115 BTC [-]

09:19:28 mircea_popescu: you know, i ended up repeating this pretty much twice a day because nobody reads logs.

09:19:31 mircea_popescu: it's a good idea to read the logs.

09:23:12 mark0v: mircea_popescu: so, they were speculating with depositors coins and making acquisisions with them?

09:23:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.16230094 = 0.4869 BTC [-]

09:23:36 mark0v: at $10/coin... which was stupid because as the price rises, they'd never be able to buy back coins to pay investors back

09:25:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.5 = 1 BTC [+]

09:25:33 dexX7_: the crisis paper also states a miss of 55 mio usd

09:26:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 38 @ 0.00599 = 0.2276 BTC [-]

09:27:02 mark0v: seems like there was a hack early on, and everything since then has been an attempt to make back coins by speculating

09:27:09 cazalla: i can't help but hope the coins are gone for the benefit of myself

09:27:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5 BTC [+]

09:27:30 mark0v: lost cold wallet would be best (rather then some theives having it)

09:27:36 cazalla: yup

09:28:17 cazalla: i don't own enough so the removal of 750k would at least push me up a notch albeit a small nudge

09:30:02 jurov: http://jesse.forthewin.com/blog/2014/02/unilateral-statement-regarding-fucked-up-shit-and-the-greater-good.html?cpm=329

09:30:03 ozbot: Unilateral Statement Regarding Mt. Gox from an Insider - Jesse Powell's Blog

09:30:13 jurov: there's also this from krakens ceo

09:30:15 dexX7_: is there any publickey to pubkeyhash converter online?

09:30:17 jurov: if you insist

09:31:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-]

09:31:55 cazalla: jurov: he needs to replace that i know that feel image with http://i.imgur.com/Zt2EIOa.jpg

09:35:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21720 @ 0.00085125 = 18.4892 BTC [+] {3}

09:41:50 markov: latest rumor is that Karpeles lost the key to the wallet

09:42:57 mircea_popescu: markov for a long, long time.

09:43:31 mircea_popescu: dexX7_ part of it was lost to the usg, as a result of karpeles signing false documents

09:43:42 mircea_popescu: (this goes right backl to the earlier discussion re "lawyers")

09:43:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5 BTC [+]

09:44:03 mircea_popescu: part of it was lost to an unclear event which may be some sort of dwolla backstab or else some deal or who the fuck knows

09:44:11 markov: mircea_popescu: how could he be so stupid to lose the keys???!

09:44:14 mircea_popescu: part of it is just expenses, like rubber balls.

09:44:28 mircea_popescu: markov i wouldn't put much stock in anything mtgox/karpeles say or said.

09:44:32 markov: like seriously what the fuck is wrong with this idiot??

09:44:36 mircea_popescu: they've been pretty much lieing at every turn since 2011.

09:44:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 85 @ 0.00599 = 0.5092 BTC [+]

09:44:46 dexX7_: ah right

09:45:52 mircea_popescu: dexX7_ because their accounting was a complete mess, and because they never followed the an0 spec, things that'd be normally deductions have no scriptural basis.

09:45:56 dexX7_: "5.5 mio held by dhs, 5 mio held by coinlab"

09:46:32 mircea_popescu: afaik coinlab is really in the red.

09:46:44 mircea_popescu: ie, mtgox stole more from coinlab than coinlab stole from mtgox.

09:46:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19232 @ 0.00085312 = 16.4072 BTC [+]

09:46:51 dexX7_: lol

09:47:57 markov: whats an0 spec?

09:48:05 markov: why is bitcoinbuilder > 0 ??

09:48:22 markov: current rate is 20:1

09:48:36 dexX7_: "high risk, very high reward"

09:49:03 mircea_popescu: markov http://fraudsters.com/2013/accounting-for-the-nonzero-asset-corporation-the-mpex-standard/

09:49:11 mircea_popescu: and bitcoinbuilder is you know, some website

09:49:18 markov: it should probably be goxASSETS/goxLIABILITIES which is what account holders will receive during the bankruptcy

09:49:21 mircea_popescu: anyone can write any numbers they wish on their website

09:49:34 goxxed: I bought >600 goxbtc during the last hours. I'm convinced it will be one of the best investments of 2014

09:49:47 mircea_popescu: goxxed what did you pay for it ?

09:49:58 goxxed: avg 0.08

09:50:06 markov: mircea_popescu: the same could be about MPex though... 'just some website'

09:50:10 davout: still quite expensive imo

09:50:21 mircea_popescu: markov yup. and the nyse and the wh.org and everything else.

09:50:27 mircea_popescu: thats why we have the wot and on it goes.

09:50:28 markov: bitcoinbuilder is run by founder of dreamhost -- he has a positive reputation -- if that means anything

09:50:36 mircea_popescu: discerning the grain from the chaff is a full time professional endeavour

09:51:00 dexX7_: goxxed: do you expect some kind of miracle where thousands of coins appear out of nowhere?

09:51:00 mircea_popescu: i'm with davout, i wouldn't pay 50 btc for that.

09:51:13 markov: goxxed: say goodbye to your 50 BTC. you cant be serious!

09:51:16 mircea_popescu: pay 1 btc or less on a lark, i can see. like you'd buy a lottery ticket

09:51:27 davout: four days ago i'd mebbe have paid 20~30 BTC

09:51:27 goxxed: interview with bitcoinbuilder founder https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0Wg6Adi3z0

09:51:28 markov: goxxed must be trolling

09:51:31 dexX7_: much more fun than lottery

09:51:38 davout: now. a couple at most

09:51:55 markov: bitcoinbuilder founder interestingly converted all his btc he made from fees into goxcoins

09:52:32 mircea_popescu: dexX7_ you know, p e singer made a few millions that way

09:52:32 markov: "I had no inside knowledge of the situation at mtgox and am truly shocked at the current state of their affairs. I personally have over 8,000 GOXBTC and $400,000 USD locked in their system, and am still converting all "real" BTC trading fees from the site to GOXBTC, and I will never sell any personal GOXBTC via this site. "

09:52:42 mircea_popescu: course, sovereign debt is quite a differen story.

09:53:18 mircea_popescu: markov i guess that proves the alleged founder of dreamhost is an idiot ?

09:53:34 mircea_popescu: meanwhile, "Greek police, under the orders of the Ministry of Public Order & Citizen Protection, have begun to enter schools in order to establish the political views and activities of schoolchildren and their families"

09:53:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 20 @ 0.00599 = 0.1198 BTC [+]

09:54:04 markov: mircea_popescu: link?

09:54:10 dexX7_: faq

09:54:16 dexX7_: afaik

09:54:17 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2014/02/25/scho-f25.html you'll love the names.

09:54:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 850 @ 0.0055 = 4.675 BTC

09:55:37 markov: mircea_popescu: i despise communism. that website is clearly reporting FUD

09:55:52 mircea_popescu: markov clearly.

09:55:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3309 @ 0.00085312 = 2.823 BTC [+]

09:56:30 markov: its quite a shame that i have nearly 300 goxBTC

09:56:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 120 @ 0.00599 = 0.7188 BTC [+]

09:57:06 markov: i guess ill just gamble on just-dice to make them back

09:57:23 mircea_popescu: > . <

09:57:33 dexX7_: sounds like a solid plan

09:58:22 mircea_popescu: solid like pixiedust.

09:58:27 jurov: markov i'd rather recommend coinroll

09:58:51 mircea_popescu: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bhd4HUhCMAAxKQy.jpg:large

09:58:54 markov: i trust dooglus

09:58:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 436 @ 0.005989 = 2.6112 BTC [-]

09:58:59 mircea_popescu: teh ukraine is going well.

09:59:26 markov: is that where you're from mp?

09:59:39 mircea_popescu: nope.

09:59:47 jurov: no we're just living near borders

09:59:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2920 @ 0.00599 = 17.4908 BTC [+] {3}

10:00:21 jurov: in worst case, we can expect millions of refugees

10:00:45 markov: bulgaria?

10:01:02 mircea_popescu: markov timisoara, romania

10:01:12 jurov: and i'm in slovakia

10:01:40 markov: l33t. you guys must be one of the few intelligent people left in the eastern european countries

10:01:42 mircea_popescu: jurov amusingly, romania had a published (but not public) policy of allowing open immigration for israelis should they need it

10:01:51 mircea_popescu: i don't think anyone seriously considered the ukrainians moving en masse

10:01:59 mircea_popescu: least of all the ukrainians themselves

10:02:29 jurov: dunno, they're making some preparations here

10:03:01 jurov: maybe someone really thinks putin will pull it

10:03:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 401 @ 0.0055 = 2.2055 BTC

10:03:27 mircea_popescu: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BhclSE7IQAADU3K.jpg:large

10:03:28 mircea_popescu: oops

10:03:39 mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/SergeiShoigu/status/438975883597348864 < if anyone cares.

10:03:39 ozbot: Twitter / SergeiShoigu: Welcome to my official Twitter ...

10:04:37 markov: robert scoble in toronto>?

10:06:06 jurov: markov: quite many intelligent people returned from the west, living here is okay for them

10:06:32 markov: eastern europe also has a reputation for cc hacking/fraud

10:06:55 jurov: how that relates?

10:07:20 mircea_popescu: markov this is how "HC SVNT DRACONES" is noted in modern english

10:07:25 jurov: at least our banks have solid e-services

10:07:44 markov: here be dragons?

10:07:47 mircea_popescu: yeah.

10:08:07 mircea_popescu: "people smarter than us who aren't impressed with our conventions" => evil!

10:08:08 markov: jurov: good point, they're probably employed the best exploit guys ;)

10:09:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 166 @ 0.00599 = 0.9943 BTC [+]

10:17:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37250 @ 0.00085292 = 31.7713 BTC [-] {2}

10:18:57 mircea_popescu: http://82.99.29.187:443/file/wzbdxg?type=shared-window&item=png

10:19:08 mircea_popescu: meanwhile teh yuan is moving

10:23:49 markov: so you guys think karpeles lost keys rather then a hack?

10:24:16 mircea_popescu: ahahaha mike hearn harping about how teh Powerfully Retarded Rangers are nao poor and will disband

10:24:27 mircea_popescu: good fucking riddance, bunch of clueless impudent goofs.

10:24:52 jurov: markov that does not matter

10:26:36 jurov: i'm certain karpeles did ask them to help, too

10:26:56 mircea_popescu: sure.

10:27:07 mircea_popescu: and jesse powell fucktard is like, o, here's my friend jared kenna please help us.

10:27:25 mircea_popescu: basically there's this core of idiots and scammers and the idiots just won't let the scammers loose.

10:27:28 mircea_popescu: it's beyond the fucking pale.

10:29:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37472 @ 0.00085488 = 32.0341 BTC [+] {3}

10:31:23 twizt: man i just went on youtube

10:31:27 twizt: and saw a scientology ad

10:31:34 ArsKisS: poor you

10:31:35 twizt: i wonder how much it would cost to promote satanism

10:33:18 mircea_popescu: some guy was bitching that 30mn youtube views only made him like 20k usd

10:33:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.509 BTC [+]

10:33:43 mircea_popescu: so i would guess about 10-15 satoshi per view ?

10:34:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 22 @ 0.00595002 = 0.1309 BTC [-]

10:34:34 twizt: lol

10:34:40 twizt: where do they draw the line

10:34:41 BingoBoingo: Wait, Roger Ver still has some affiliation with Blockchain.info after his $50 blowup? http://two-bit-idiot.tumblr.com/post/77960201159/roger-ver-denies-any-inappropriate-involvement-with-mt

10:37:17 mircea_popescu: since assbot only logs since apr 2013, in case anyone's curious re older logs :

10:37:17 mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/1665537/

10:37:18 ozbot: dpaste: #1665537

10:37:27 mircea_popescu: feb 2013/aug 2012

10:37:52 chetty: "inappropriate" now thats a weaselword

10:38:00 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo roger ver is one of those guys that love to talk to people and then talk to people about how many people he talks to

10:38:23 mircea_popescu: and then go nuts on the forum about how he sent some guy his last fifty bucks and can't afford food for the week now.

10:39:24 mircea_popescu: anyway, lettuce have some fun.

10:40:10 BingoBoingo: Oh, post-Gox Bitcoin is more interesting already

10:40:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45950 @ 0.00085569 = 39.319 BTC [+] {3}

10:43:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.50979439 = 1.0196 BTC [+] {2}

10:45:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 22 @ 0.00598999 = 0.1318 BTC [+]

10:46:08 markov: mircea_popescu: apparely roger ver has 250,000 btc

10:46:16 mircea_popescu: yaya.

10:46:25 mircea_popescu: apparently mtgox was the cat's tits,

10:46:29 mircea_popescu: untill suddenly it wasn't anymore

10:46:36 mircea_popescu: and we're supposed to be all surprised and whatnot.

10:48:21 mircea_popescu: lmao gmaxwell is still using kat walsh's mask ? ah epic.

10:49:26 markov: ..

10:49:54 markov: whos kat walsh?

10:50:56 mircea_popescu: a bassoonist with a jd in law that was the best the wikimedia foundation could do for counsel this past decade

10:51:01 mircea_popescu: lucky for them, they never got sued.

10:51:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00599 = 0.599 BTC [+]

10:53:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 35 @ 0.00599 = 0.2097 BTC [+]

10:55:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 19 @ 0.00599 = 0.1138 BTC [+]

10:57:47 ArsKisS: neobee pretty hot

10:57:57 ArsKisS: now you can remove the walls, folks

10:59:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23550 @ 0.00085043 = 20.0276 BTC [-] {2}

11:06:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 12 @ 0.16230094 = 1.9476 BTC [-]

11:09:57 bitcoinpete: howdy from bruxelles!

11:10:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2800 @ 0.0008533 = 2.3892 BTC [+]

11:10:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 275 @ 0.00599 = 1.6473 BTC [+]

11:12:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 25 @ 0.00599998 = 0.15 BTC [+]

11:13:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 34 @ 0.00599998 = 0.204 BTC [+]

11:14:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 20 @ 0.00599998 = 0.12 BTC [+]

11:15:12 bitcoinpete: http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/the-wallet-inspectors-promise/

11:15:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 26 @ 0.11437691 = 2.9738 BTC [-] {7}

11:15:14 ozbot: The Wallet Inspector’s Promise | When Bitcoin Met Pete

11:16:12 bitcoinpete: I'm just going to leave this here. It's about trust, greed, idealism, and Snake.

11:16:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 24 @ 0.10600342 = 2.5441 BTC [-] {5}

11:26:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.50979999 BTC [+]

11:27:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5098 BTC [+]

11:28:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 8 @ 0.02299964 = 0.184 BTC [-] {2}

11:29:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 23 @ 0.023 = 0.529 BTC [+]

11:29:31 the20year1: http://jesse.forthewin.com/blog/2014/02/unilateral-statement-regarding-fucked-up-shit-and-the-greater-good.html?cpm=329

11:29:32 ozbot: Unilateral Statement Regarding Mt. Gox from an Insider - Jesse Powell's Blog

11:32:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.502001 = 1.004 BTC [-] {2}

11:33:57 jurov: the20year1: i usually search in logs before posting

11:34:05 jurov: it's there

11:34:19 mircea_popescu: the20year1 i left the guy a comment, he's not published it.

11:39:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.50979 BTC [+]

11:41:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00018499 = 0.185 BTC [-]

11:43:55 mircea_popescu: !t h cbtc

11:43:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK:CBTC] 1D: 0.00017103 / 0.00018307 / 0.00018550 (9765 shares, 1.78766772 BTC), 7D: 0.00013001 / 0.000165 / 0.00021250 (284213 shares, 46.89600633 BTC), 30D: 0.00002001 / 0.00015242 / 0.00025999 (2435501 shares, 371.21588320 BTC)

11:51:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.00485993 = 0.1458 BTC [+] {2}

11:54:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.00485994 = 0.243 BTC [+] {2}

11:57:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.10600012 = 0.318 BTC [-]

11:57:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.0055 = 0.11 BTC

11:58:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 98 @ 0.00599969 = 0.588 BTC [-]

12:02:27 ThickerThanThiev: just read thru this gox stuff

12:02:59 ThickerThanThiev: so basically gox gave all the exhcnage leaders head's up to sell

12:03:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 207 @ 0.00596 = 1.2337 BTC [-] {2}

12:03:04 ThickerThanThiev: aawful

12:04:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 30 @ 0.00595066 = 0.1785 BTC [-] {3}

12:05:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 354 @ 0.00598871 = 2.12 BTC [+] {6}

12:05:04 mircea_popescu: will be fun to watch the unwinding of it.

12:05:31 mircea_popescu: Once that happens, I am positive and certain that the same people who are now running around calling their betters names will try to turn things into some sort of ?mean state infringing on people?s rights?. They have a fine record at trying exactly that.vi

12:05:31 mircea_popescu: The problem is, the lot of them being packed up and hauled to jail would be no such infringement. It is at this point perfectly reasonable and quite unavoidable. Sure, they?ll try and sell this libertarian angle, that?s the curse of being pro-freedom : all the scumbags try to exploit you for their little profit turning ?ideas?. It won?t wash.

12:05:36 mircea_popescu: stuff from 2012ish

12:05:44 dexX7_: i bet this 10k sell on bitstamp was related to this

12:06:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 85 @ 0.00591045 = 0.5024 BTC [-] {3}

12:07:02 thickasthieves: my thoughts pretty much too

12:07:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 226 @ 0.005901 = 1.3336 BTC [-] {3}

12:07:56 thickasthieves: the story of where this reached isn't done, and more than gox will go down for acting on it's insolvency

12:07:59 thickasthieves: its

12:08:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 60 @ 0.0059 = 0.354 BTC [-]

12:08:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.06167998 = 0.185 BTC [+]

12:08:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 12 @ 0.023 = 0.276 BTC [+] {2}

12:08:40 MisterE: Hmm, just about time to get back in

12:08:47 ThickAsThieves: also, like, even if you did make sure to sell all your coins first, how could you not leak this info to the public sooner?

12:08:53 MisterE: ride it back up to 600

12:09:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 55 @ 0.00476 = 0.2618 BTC [-] {2}

12:09:20 ThickAsThieves: secondmarket may be the most exposed

12:09:29 ThickAsThieves: as it seems they were approached

12:10:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 180 @ 0.0059 = 1.062 BTC [-]

12:10:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.10150001 BTC [-]

12:10:46 MisterE: whats ths?

12:10:55 MisterE: sounds scandalous

12:11:05 dexX7_: were they obligated to leak such info? isn't this stuff kinda confidential?

12:11:23 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all

12:11:28 gribble: MtGox BTCUSD last: 135.0, vol: 0.00000000 | Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 579.98, vol: 26161.04056450 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 552.2, vol: 22395.6107 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 579.0, vol: 19715.43458074 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 593.51, vol: 236.24374416 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 571.6896, vol: 8316.85200000 | Volume-weighted last average: 570.774361582

12:12:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.06167978 = 0.5551 BTC [-]

12:12:11 ThickAsThieves: i dont know the legality

12:12:27 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves you forget the info was motherfucking leaked in public lmao

12:12:34 ThickAsThieves: no

12:12:39 mircea_popescu: what do i do here, play ?

12:12:46 ThickAsThieves: i mean how gox approached people for a bailout

12:12:52 mircea_popescu: there's no such thing as "disregard what mp says expect to be able to survive"

12:13:17 ThickAsThieves: i'm talking about off-gox markets

12:13:20 mircea_popescu: you mean how come the various contemptible schmucks - like jesse powell, like roger ver, like etc did not go

12:13:24 mircea_popescu: "hey, mtgox is fucked" ?

12:13:35 mircea_popescu: that's because they're scum, and that's what scum knows and does.

12:13:35 ThickAsThieves: like Bitstamp selling 25k btc after Mark walks out the room or such

12:14:01 mircea_popescu: that's how children react, your average raped 9yo girl is more likely to not tell.

12:14:24 ThickAsThieves: this also has added greed element

12:14:30 mircea_popescu: recall when the bitfinex was broken in half last time ?

12:14:30 ThickAsThieves: insider trading at its finest

12:14:38 mircea_popescu: insider spilled the dirt, all over forum ?

12:14:47 ThickAsThieves: right

12:14:49 mircea_popescu: people were liek "o no, let's ignore whistleblower, maybe everything will be ok"

12:15:04 mircea_popescu: the exact same scumbags are already inflating a replacement mtgox.

12:15:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.1047 = 0.8376 BTC [+] {5}

12:15:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47000 @ 0.00086155 = 40.4929 BTC [+] {3}

12:15:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 23 @ 0.00476 = 0.1095 BTC [-] {2}

12:16:05 Apocalyptic: what's funnier is some people are so in denial up to the point they're even doubting mtgox is missing coins, at this very moment

12:16:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 12 @ 0.106155 = 1.2739 BTC [+] {3}

12:17:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.06167978 = 0.1234 BTC [-]

12:17:20 MisterE: how far up your ass does your head have to be to think that

12:17:52 Apocalyptic: "but it's speculation, at this point we can't be sure" i don't even...

12:17:56 mircea_popescu: derp.

12:18:07 mircea_popescu: welcome to 2012. that was the meme of the year.

12:19:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19769 @ 0.00086481 = 17.0964 BTC [+] {2}

12:19:31 dexX7_: the stuff was not only leaked to investors/exchanges, but also to the press. or it was leaked to the press from one of them.. i'm not sure right now where i read it, but one article clearly referenced the expected return for 2014.

12:20:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23931 @ 0.00086636 = 20.7329 BTC [+]

12:20:45 mircea_popescu: maybe find it.

12:21:06 Apocalyptic: " but one article clearly referenced the expected return for 2014." it's in the business plan

12:21:43 ThickAsThieves: the business plan had no juicy info really

12:22:06 ThickAsThieves: unless something was able to be gleaned from the financial page

12:22:08 wbaw: it seems to be mt.gox was trying to pitch that plan to investors who didn't want anything to do with it & leaked it

12:22:51 ThickAsThieves: or, the ones that were interested in the plan were the ones who then unearthed the dirtier truth

12:23:07 ThickAsThieves: obv you dont buy a mtgox without seeing the coins

12:23:18 wbaw: well, the plan looks pretty illegal to my uninformed opinion

12:23:22 mircea_popescu: wbaw http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-02-2014#523392

12:23:26 dexX7_: wall street journal. no paywall: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1ytb3o/japans_authorities_decline_to_step_in_on_bitcoin/cfnk8nz -- "According to documents seen by The Wall Street Journal, Tibanne Co., which operates Mt. Gox, is expected to generate a small profit in the fiscal year ending in March from exchange transaction fees."

12:23:33 ThickAsThieves: i'm referring to the business plan

12:23:37 ThickAsThieves: not the crisis one

12:23:42 Apocalyptic: <wbaw> it seems to be mt.gox was trying to pitch that plan to investors who didn't want anything to do with it & leaked it // sounds reasonable

12:23:44 dexX7_: this was before the crisis paper went public

12:24:07 mircea_popescu: dexX7_ they were still pr-izing at the time, hoping beyond hope they'll find a sucker somewhere.

12:24:17 dexX7_: yea

12:24:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 459 @ 0.00054 = 0.2479 BTC [-]

12:24:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6650 @ 0.0008665 = 5.7622 BTC [+] {2}

12:25:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 244 @ 0.00050209 = 0.1225 BTC [-] {3}

12:25:27 ThickAsThieves: look china wants to mimic bitcoin http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/02/27/what-happens-if-china-widens-the-yuans-trading-band/

12:25:41 ThickAsThieves: this volatily thing, we like!

12:26:20 ThickAsThieves: "In the past week, the People’s Bank of China has been trying to inject more two-way volatility into yuan trading by guiding the currency lower, an effort Chinese officials and analysts say is aimed at paving the way for widening the yuan’s trading band sometime this year."

12:26:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.11733289 BTC [+]

12:26:29 ThickAsThieves: http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/02/27/more-flexible-yuan-is-low-hanging-fruit-of-financial-reforms/

12:30:03 mircea_popescu: too expensive for them to maintain narrow band anyway

12:32:09 MisterE: man that log archive is handy!

12:32:27 MisterE: fuckload of good info

12:33:23 assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1665861/plain/)

12:33:23 mircea_popescu: !b 2

12:33:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.10150001 = 0.5075 BTC [-]

12:33:33 ThickAsThieves: this BitcoinPete guy, he new? or is he someone we know with a new name?

12:33:57 MisterE: he came yesterday

12:34:27 dexX7_: and the log is against the freenode channel guidelines!

12:34:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 800 @ 0.0008635 = 0.6908 BTC [-]

12:34:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.06176249 = 0.247 BTC [+] {2}

12:34:52 dexX7_: no logging without warning in the channel topic :p

12:34:57 MisterE: omg get the #freenode police heh

12:35:03 ThickAsThieves: isnt it linked in the topic?

12:35:09 MisterE: yea

12:35:11 ThickAsThieves: ;;topic

12:35:11 gribble: http://bitcoin-assets.com || http://log.bitcoin-assets.com - most days worth reading || http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com - all days worth reading

12:35:15 ThickAsThieves: derp

12:35:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.062 = 0.744 BTC [+] {2}

12:36:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 16 @ 0.0621 = 0.9936 BTC [+]

12:36:35 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves he's new-ish

12:37:07 mircea_popescu: dexX7_ you misunderstand the freenode policies.

12:37:16 mircea_popescu: the idea is that random joe schmoe can't log a chan he doesn't own

12:37:25 mircea_popescu: not that the chan itself can't be logged.

12:37:37 dexX7_: ah

12:37:38 MisterE: fyi I loge everything

12:37:48 Duffer1: goodmorning B-A

12:37:49 mircea_popescu: many channels are logged as a matter of course, including #bitcoin-dev

12:38:01 dexX7_: i know

12:38:05 mircea_popescu: most literate people have a lot of trouble with the illiterate approach promoted by twitter and cellphone companies.

12:38:17 dexX7_: i'm fine with anyway

12:38:23 mircea_popescu: you generally want to be able to reference what was said afore

12:38:23 MisterE: I fucking hate text mesaging

12:38:31 mircea_popescu: MisterE tell me about it

12:38:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1065 BTC [+]

12:38:44 ThickAsThieves: oh earlier you made a statement about Hearn & Co being destitute, got link?

12:38:46 dexX7_: hi duffer

12:39:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 20 @ 0.00599967 = 0.12 BTC [+]

12:39:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.11 BTC [-]

12:39:55 mircea_popescu: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1yrxp0/bitcoin_core_development_falling_behind_warns/ iof you must

12:40:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 27 @ 0.00599967 = 0.162 BTC [+]

12:40:39 ThickAsThieves: "Say what you like about Google, but it isn’t an easy place to get hired at. The entrance interviews are notoriously tough, and it is a highly desired employer – which makes Mike Hearn’s departure all the more notable."

12:40:41 ThickAsThieves: lulz

12:40:54 mircea_popescu: derp.

12:41:05 Apocalyptic: derp?

12:41:33 mircea_popescu: anyway, it's hysterical. "o guise, we backed the scammers, tho mp told us not to. and we were impertinent to mp"

12:41:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 140 @ 0.00599967 = 0.84 BTC [+]

12:41:40 ThickAsThieves: there was a time i really wanted to work there, I poured over job listings for a few weeks and never saw one thing I wanted to do

12:41:51 mircea_popescu: "now the scammers are fucked and mp doesn't want to talk to us. what shall we do!11 bitcoin is dieing!!11"

12:41:56 mircea_popescu: how about you know, sucking an onion.

12:42:00 ThickAsThieves: pored

12:42:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5020002 BTC [-]

12:43:28 mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/scirper

12:43:29 ozbot: Aer Turris (scirper) on Twitter

12:43:38 mircea_popescu: how many people get special made twitter accts to derp at them ?

12:45:05 usaoscoin: turns out twobitidiot is a crypto insurance seller

12:45:06 usaoscoin: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1z2s8k/who_is_2_bit_idiot_why_does_he_get_these/cfpzqaf

12:45:21 mircea_popescu: usaoscoin he's ver's minion afaik.

12:45:38 ThickAsThieves: "Auroracoin is now featured on http://coinmarketcap.com/ It is in 7th place overall, or 5th place if non-mineale coins are excluded."

12:45:40 usaoscoin: minion, lol

12:45:47 ThickAsThieves: how is it that bs can get listed but not ATC...

12:46:08 ThickAsThieves: i'm no good at this greasing palms thing

12:46:09 mircea_popescu: well what do you call it ?

12:46:24 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves eh who cares srsly. what's coinmarketcap ?

12:47:00 ThickAsThieves: well i at least care in that it's representing scams as things with actual value over things that aren't

12:47:07 ThickAsThieves: look at this shit http://coinmarketcap.com/

12:47:17 ThickAsThieves: Aururacoin at $45m

12:47:17 dexX7_: with about 2 mio page views per day x_x

12:47:29 ThickAsThieves: it's a pre-mined handout coin

12:47:32 Apocalyptic: lots of kids playing with alts yes

12:47:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2900 @ 0.0008635 = 2.5042 BTC [-]

12:47:51 Duffer1: i'm curious how they're going to hand it out

12:48:05 Duffer1: mail printed priv keys to everyone in iceland?

12:48:27 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves you're never going to be able to limit all derpage.

12:48:35 mircea_popescu: kids need their rumspringa room.

12:49:11 dexX7_: Duffer1: as far as i know there is some kind of "claim portal" website

12:49:26 ThickAsThieves: Duffer1 there is a public list of all Icelanders I believe

12:49:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 80 @ 0.00599961 = 0.48 BTC [-]

12:51:37 ThickAsThieves: maybe this will be the things that teaches them it was a bad idea too

12:51:49 mircea_popescu: yaright.

12:53:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 6 @ 0.16230094 = 0.9738 BTC [-]

12:54:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00599961 = 1.1999 BTC [-]

12:55:41 dexX7_: http://www.businessinsider.com/senator-calls-for-bitcoin-ban-2014-2 ... there was one surprising part: "I have already written to regulators once on the now-closed Silkroad ... That is why more than a handful of countries, and their banking systems, have cautioned against the use of Bitcoin." - if this is true, he seems to have some influence?

12:55:42 ozbot: SENATOR CALLS FOR BITCOIN BAN - Business Insider

12:56:15 kakobrekla: oh my

12:56:19 kakobrekla: http://charlieshrem.com/?p=24

12:56:20 ozbot: Charlie Shrem | Something’s Not Right On The Mountain of Gox

12:56:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 110 @ 0.00549999 = 0.605 BTC [+] {2}

12:57:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.11 BTC [-]

12:58:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 20 @ 0.0059996 = 0.12 BTC [-]

12:58:59 ThickAsThieves: dexX7_ yeah right

13:03:41 ThickAsThieves: "There was no evidence that hundreds of thousands of coins were missing when Roger Ver made the so-called “hostage” video six months ago." for reference: http://imgur.com/gHrMX1y

13:04:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3148 @ 0.00086715 = 2.7298 BTC [+]

13:04:15 ThickAsThieves: really the dude is in a constant state of nervousness, maybe he did know

13:05:15 ThickAsThieves: shrem is stupid

13:05:25 dexX7_: he wanted to buy a lot of goxcoins in the -otc thread

13:05:39 ThickAsThieves: coins can't be maybe-recoverable

13:05:45 ThickAsThieves: they are gone

13:05:47 ThickAsThieves: deal

13:06:11 kakobrekla: dexX7_ did he? urlpls?

13:06:21 dexX7_: hmm mom

13:07:32 mircea_popescu: yeah eyah he was saying so

13:07:43 mircea_popescu: the entire "buying gox debt" meme pretty much started from ver's blather.

13:07:48 dexX7_: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=455243.msg5111950#msg5111950

13:07:50 ozbot: MTGOX <-> BTC BID/ASK

13:08:12 dexX7_: didn't see the update till now

13:08:49 dexX7_: but it's telling

13:09:12 azi`: you guys think there is any chance folks will get their stuff from gox?

13:09:17 mircea_popescu: no.

13:09:20 azi`: like some company buing gox and stuff

13:09:24 mircea_popescu: no.

13:09:30 kakobrekla: the below reply from reptil guy is golden

13:09:47 mircea_popescu: o hey reptil stil around ?

13:09:52 kakobrekla: yes

13:09:56 kakobrekla: alive a kickin

13:10:00 kakobrekla: and

13:10:05 azi`: which one is it

13:10:26 azi`: sherem?

13:10:29 mircea_popescu: anyway yeah, sturles and others who made statements about it will be key witnesses once this goes to court in a few months

13:10:32 pankkake: why would a company want to buy what is mostly bad reputation and debt?

13:11:09 dexX7_: azi`: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=455243.msg5114894#msg5114894

13:11:10 azi`: idk, some guys are known for making bad business descisions i suppose

13:11:13 kakobrekla: i dunno what statement sturles made, but reptil sez he was privileged, sturles says he lost 90%

13:11:29 mircea_popescu: because selective scamming is in fact sufficient to establish bad faith

13:11:43 mircea_popescu: and from the little i understand of the japanese legal system, amply sufficient to secure a conviction.

13:12:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11241 @ 0.00086715 = 9.7476 BTC [+]

13:12:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 33 @ 0.00599958 = 0.198 BTC [-]

13:12:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 59 @ 0.0055 = 0.3245 BTC

13:12:11 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla "no problem getting funds from gox"

13:12:15 dexX7_: but there was already a statement like "japan does not care, because it's btc"

13:12:22 jurov: btc-e just croaked too?

13:12:27 mircea_popescu: pretty much anyone who said this or variations thereof the past few weeks is either going to be prosecuted or called up as a witness.

13:12:33 dexX7_: 502

13:12:42 mircea_popescu: dexX7_ i wouldn't trust that sort of nonsense too much.

13:12:56 jurov: isee

13:13:24 Duffer1: what's the extent of Ver's involvement w/ blockchain.info? is it angel investor only or does he have a more active role?

13:13:45 mircea_popescu: Duffer1 he was able to get carry to disclose private information of a user upon request

13:14:01 mircea_popescu: theoretically he was banned from the system at that point, but whether this is actually true or not has not been verified.

13:14:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 640 @ 0.000505 = 0.3232 BTC [-] {3}

13:14:16 Duffer1: interesting

13:14:49 mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=131608.0

13:14:51 ozbot: MemoryDealers.com founder Roger Ver abuses admin access at Blockchain.info

13:15:13 kakobrekla: that one was lulzy

13:15:17 mircea_popescu: so it was.

13:18:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 57 @ 0.00599958 = 0.342 BTC [-]

13:20:31 ThickAsThieves: BitcoinPete deleted my comment

13:20:39 ThickAsThieves: oh well

13:20:45 mircea_popescu: uh

13:21:05 mircea_popescu: usure it's not just some approval thingee ?

13:21:18 ThickAsThieves: i saw it loaded on the page

13:21:24 ThickAsThieves: but maybe only a local temp thing

13:21:44 pankkake: wordpress shows it after you post, even if it is waiting for approval

13:21:56 mircea_popescu: right, but if you clean a cookie or w/.e it disappears

13:22:03 pankkake: yes

13:22:08 ThickAsThieves: word

13:22:19 pankkake: " Mt. Gox CEO Mark Karpeles will be found dead by the March 20th" lol

13:22:26 mircea_popescu: da fuck is that

13:22:37 pankkake: rejected bitbet

13:22:44 mircea_popescu: scared me for a second

13:22:58 cazalla: assassination markets here we come

13:23:13 mircea_popescu: not quite yet.

13:23:20 pankkake: there's the tor one

13:23:38 pankkake: doesn't have him yet

13:23:42 mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/635/1btc-10-000-usd/

13:23:44 ozbot: BitBet - 1BTC >= $10,000 USD

13:23:48 mircea_popescu: this doesn't look so great anymore does it.

13:24:09 pankkake: mtgox *or* bitstamp

13:24:25 ThickAsThieves: $10k was a bit high

13:24:26 mircea_popescu: no i am aware, but even so.

13:24:27 BingoBoingo: I dunno I think it looks better now

13:24:40 ThickAsThieves: maybe $3k

13:24:47 mircea_popescu: btw, epic prescience on part of the bitbet mod there huh.

13:25:35 dexX7_: 30-11-13 20:40 - yes: 57 btc, no: 42 btc ... hehe

13:25:57 cazalla: wish i got in earlier on http://bitbet.us/bet/281/btc-usd-at-mtgox-will-be-above-150-on/

13:26:13 dexX7_: kinda like "exchangers are faking volume!1"

13:27:29 ThickAsThieves: hmm the bitbet mod in the comments says any exchange with 1000btc vol will do if others are dead

13:27:40 ThickAsThieves: seems uncharacteristic of bitbet

13:29:25 ThickAsThieves: http://bitcoinmagazine.com/10574/warning-bm-subscribers-open-document-re-mt-gox-staff/

13:29:27 ThickAsThieves: hehe

13:29:28 ozbot: WARNING to BM Subscribers: Do NOT Open Any Document Re: Mt.Gox from Our Staff – Bitcoin Magazine

13:30:02 mircea_popescu: lmao

13:32:10 mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/439030163729575936

13:32:11 ozbot: Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: Yes dears, we know. For a while ...

13:33:45 ThickAsThieves: forgive me for retweeting every other tweet :)

13:34:07 mircea_popescu: lol

13:34:20 ThickAsThieves: https://twitter.com/Bitcoin_Assets/status/438791244345774080

13:34:21 ozbot: Twitter / Bitcoin_Assets: @ethereumproject How about DERP?

13:34:22 mircea_popescu: that's ok, i'll just take it as reflective of my mordant wit and deep understanding of matters

13:34:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.11 = 0.22 BTC [-]

13:34:32 mircea_popescu: ahaha

13:35:43 mircea_popescu: meanwhile behind the coca cola courtain, http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2014/02/kaley_v_united_states_terrible_supreme_court_decision_lets_the_government.html

13:36:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00599956 = 0.24 BTC [-]

13:36:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3575 @ 0.00018499 = 0.6613 BTC [-]

13:37:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 10000 @ 0.00017284 = 1.7284 BTC [-] {9}

13:38:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00086659 = 4.5063 BTC [-] {2}

13:39:03 mircea_popescu: "why keep all your assets in bitcoin ? because your usd denominated assets are worthless anyway."

13:39:11 ThickAsThieves: “the grand jury is the total captive of the prosecutor who, if he is candid, will concede that he can indict anybody, at any time, for almost anything.”

13:39:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 60 @ 0.0055 = 0.33 BTC

13:40:18 ThickAsThieves: ethereum's slogan: the only limit is your imagination

13:40:21 ThickAsThieves: lol

13:40:32 ThickAsThieves: such limitations

13:40:43 diametric: much freedom

13:41:02 mircea_popescu: well in their case it is true

13:41:11 mircea_popescu: of course, this would be the lower bound limit.

13:41:22 mircea_popescu: the upper bound is about fiddy bux

13:42:06 ThickAsThieves: i wonder how their raise went

13:42:10 ThickAsThieves: i cant find it

13:42:37 dexX7_: didn't happen yet afaik

13:42:54 ThickAsThieves: they used to have a countdown on the homepage

13:44:01 mircea_popescu: hey, what happened of that transvestite's countdown ?

13:44:06 mircea_popescu: i vaguely recall something around xmas

13:44:10 mircea_popescu: was it xmas 2015 ?

13:44:18 dexX7_: yea, but it was removed

13:44:22 ThickAsThieves: Vitalik said:

13:44:22 ThickAsThieves: "We are seriously worried that if we offer a small cap then some large investor will simply gobble it up all at once, and then we'll basically have Ripple. Judging by the response we have gotten so far, we realized that it is entirely possible, even if unlikely, that some whale with 200000 BTC sitting around will decide that Ethereum just might be the right coin to throw 10% into, and

13:44:22 ThickAsThieves: we need to work around such a possibility. If no whales come onboard on such a scale, then we will have a small market cap to start off anyway."

13:44:29 ThickAsThieves: more delusions

13:44:46 dexX7_: lol

13:45:09 mircea_popescu: ahahahaah

13:45:16 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves they looked at atc and started dreamin'.

13:45:32 mircea_popescu: you can tell vitalik there's no chance of that. i wouldn't trade a bitten sub for his crud.

13:45:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1000 @ 0.00590005 = 5.9001 BTC [-] {9}

13:45:42 jurov: they got delusion mircea might be interested and crapped their pants

13:45:46 ThickAsThieves: i think he knows

13:46:11 mircea_popescu: apparently the compartment where knowledge happens and the compartment where this stuff happens don't communicate in the average bitcoiner brain

13:46:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37500 @ 0.0008653 = 32.4488 BTC [-]

13:47:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 44 @ 0.00599894 = 0.264 BTC [+] {2}

13:48:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 26 @ 0.00476 = 0.1238 BTC [-]

13:48:45 ThickAsThieves: btc-e is back btw

13:50:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.50932853 = 3.5653 BTC [+] {6}

13:50:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.11 = 0.77 BTC [-]

13:51:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 266 @ 0.00590015 = 1.5694 BTC [-] {2}

13:52:04 Duffer1: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/02/internet-guffaws-at-senators-quixotic-proposal-to-ban-bitcoin/

13:52:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 300 @ 0.00483252 = 1.4498 BTC [+] {9}

13:53:14 mircea_popescu: Duffer1 who signs ?

13:53:38 Duffer1: ?

13:53:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 500 @ 0.00488371 = 2.4419 BTC [+] {4}

13:55:20 ThickAsThieves: they quote erik and some random

13:55:37 ThickAsThieves: much funnier retorts were tweeted than thos equoted

13:55:50 mircea_popescu: if it isn't our old friend Cyrus Farivar

13:55:57 mircea_popescu: like one of the ... 2 ? 3 ? sane journos

13:56:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.16230094 = 1.623 BTC [-]

13:57:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 201 @ 0.00591611 = 1.1891 BTC [-] {3}

13:57:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00489999 = 0.49 BTC [+] {3}

13:58:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.5099999 = 1.02 BTC [+]

13:58:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 180 @ 0.00589999 = 1.062 BTC [-] {2}

14:05:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 74 @ 0.00589999 = 0.4366 BTC [-] {2}

14:06:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46350 @ 0.0008653 = 40.1067 BTC [-]

14:06:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.5099999 = 2.55 BTC [+]

14:07:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 5000 @ 0.00539122 = 26.9561 BTC [-] {55}

14:08:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5099999 BTC [+]

14:09:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.51 = 1.02 BTC [+]

14:09:45 mircea_popescu: so basically it looks like the crimeea secedes.

14:10:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1002 @ 0.00501789 = 5.0279 BTC [-] {11}

14:10:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.11 BTC [-]

14:11:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.51 = 1.02 BTC [+] {2}

14:11:41 pankkake: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=83794.msg5379477#msg5379477 lol

14:11:43 ozbot: List of Major Bitcoin Heists, Thefts, Hacks, Scams, and Losses

14:11:55 pankkake: why even trade those things that are far from tested

14:12:14 pankkake: why is the first step always to create an altcoin

14:13:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.51 BTC [+]

14:13:09 mircea_popescu: ill tell you why

14:13:12 ThickAsThieves: http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/02/27/us-bitcoin-mtgox-japan-idUSBREA1Q0I520140227

14:13:13 ozbot: Japan says any bitcoin regulation should be international

14:13:22 mircea_popescu: because the random clueless noob believes his independence is ultimately more important than his survival

14:13:44 mircea_popescu: because his parents have lived their entire life in a distorted environment engineered by government to misrepresent the feedback

14:14:01 mircea_popescu: making the world appear less risky and risky behaviour appear more rewarding than it is the case in fact.

14:14:21 mircea_popescu: this is not accidental but deliberate : the more unable to correctly price risk people are, the more they perceive the need for said government

14:14:26 pankkake: I'm trying to guide my parents out of the distorsion by the way… not working at all :(

14:14:32 mircea_popescu: of course this is a bankrupt arrangement, but that never stopped anyone before.

14:17:10 pankkake: interestingly, my mother, employed by the government and historically a socialist, is probably less blinded

14:17:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.0047512 = 0.9502 BTC [-]

14:18:17 chetty: Even the brain dead are starting to notice something is wrong pankkake

14:18:44 pankkake: it's self delusion, it's a psychological issue mostly

14:22:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00568196 = 0.2841 BTC [-] {2}

14:22:51 nubbins`: mircea_popescu, too much cruft in logs to make it worth sorting thru for publishing

14:22:56 nubbins`: even in bash

14:23:01 chetty: denial is a stage of grief

14:23:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.11733276 = 0.352 BTC [+]

14:23:27 nubbins`: jurov, wouldn't you rather your pgp fingerprint printed on a shirt in same-color ink tho? ;D

14:23:38 mircea_popescu: nubbins` jus messin with ya

14:23:58 nubbins`: messing with my dreams!

14:24:30 jurov: nubbins`: that's too dorky even for me

14:24:33 nubbins`: heh

14:25:17 jurov: oh, you did the dick surgery tees? i can't find them

14:25:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16040 @ 0.00086593 = 13.8895 BTC [+] {2}

14:25:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 139 @ 0.0055 = 0.7645 BTC

14:25:25 nubbins`: yeah, sec

14:26:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.51975 = 1.0395 BTC [+] {2}

14:26:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 39 @ 0.00564999 = 0.2203 BTC [-] {2}

14:26:45 nubbins`: http://imgur.com/mOiUWOS << that's the tester, can't find any pics of actual tees

14:26:45 ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer

14:27:35 jurov: i have urology exam scheduled, but no way that would arrive on time

14:27:56 nubbins`: http://imgur.com/zRqQ0ls

14:27:56 ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer

14:28:06 nubbins`: urologist would just get real on ya ^

14:28:29 nubbins`: i think we only have small and medium left anyway

14:29:50 jurov: wao-ender: you don't want one for gf? :D

14:30:34 wao-ender: lol

14:31:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7600 @ 0.0008635 = 6.5626 BTC [-]

14:31:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.523 BTC [+]

14:32:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.524699 = 1.5741 BTC [+]

14:33:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5247 BTC [+]

14:33:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.00493709 = 0.9874 BTC [+] {5}

14:33:59 davout: such surgery

14:34:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.06167978 = 0.185 BTC [-] {2}

14:34:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.10160001 BTC [-]

14:34:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-]

14:34:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00494731 = 0.4947 BTC [+] {3}

14:35:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 618 @ 0.00057075 = 0.3527 BTC [+] {2}

14:35:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.1016 = 0.2032 BTC [-]

14:35:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 15 @ 0.52479733 = 7.872 BTC [+] {2}

14:35:34 nubbins`: so cut

14:35:41 davout: many pain

14:37:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 56 @ 0.00564999 = 0.3164 BTC [+] {2}

14:37:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.16230094 = 0.3246 BTC [-]

14:41:55 ThickAsThieves: ;;bcstats

14:41:59 gribble: Current Blocks: 288118 | Current Difficulty: 3.1295731745222874E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 288287 | Next Difficulty In: 169 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 21 hours, 7 minutes, and 30 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 3794274722.56 | Estimated Percent Change: 21.23937

14:42:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.524999 = 1.575 BTC [+]

14:44:31 ThickAsThieves: gonna be a another nailbiter http://bitbet.us/bet/712/bitcoin-difficulty-over-5-6b-before-april/

14:44:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.524 = 1.572 BTC [-]

14:45:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.524999 = 1.05 BTC [+]

14:47:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 72 @ 0.00581326 = 0.4186 BTC [+] {3}

14:48:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 340 @ 0.00574999 = 1.955 BTC [-] {3}

14:49:01 chetty: http://www.latimes.com/opinion/editorials/la-ed-bitcoin-mt-gox-20140227,0,6907789.story#axzz2uWqaE2uJ

14:49:01 ozbot: Let investors ride out bitcoin's booms and busts - latimes.com

14:49:20 mircea_popescu: not bad

14:50:39 kakobrekla: what the shit

14:50:41 kakobrekla: http://www.auroracoin.org/?

14:50:41 ozbot: auroracoin

14:51:31 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla ThickAsThieves already butthurt about it.

14:51:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.11729617 = 1.4076 BTC [-] {4}

14:51:59 kakobrekla: ah

14:53:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 140 @ 0.00578998 = 0.8106 BTC [+] {3}

14:53:55 mircea_popescu: http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/hx530c25bd.jpg << how little do they know

14:54:40 ThickAsThieves: kako https://twitter.com/Bitcoin_Assets/status/439019328441438208

14:55:41 kakobrekla: i think you fucked up tat, you should do 100% premine next time.

14:55:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34100 @ 0.00086684 = 29.5592 BTC [+]

14:55:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.524999 BTC [+]

14:56:20 mircea_popescu: can you even do 100% premine ?

14:56:32 kakobrekla: why not?

14:56:39 ThickAsThieves: well

14:56:46 ThickAsThieves: how do you maintain the ledger?

14:56:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00577999 = 0.578 BTC [-] {3}

14:56:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.524999 = 1.05 BTC [+]

14:57:02 kakobrekla: but with network txes ofc

14:57:16 kakobrekla: you can arbitrarily add those if ya wanna

14:57:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 88 @ 0.00577999 = 0.5086 BTC [-]

14:57:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0621 = 0.1242 BTC [+]

14:57:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.10160001 = 0.2032 BTC [+]

14:57:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.16230094 = 0.3246 BTC [-]

14:58:01 mircea_popescu: still new blocks will have a reward neh ?

14:58:21 kakobrekla: not if you do a 100% premine

14:58:26 kakobrekla: :p

14:58:39 mircea_popescu: but on satoshi's code new blocks always have a reward

14:58:51 kakobrekla: until its less than 1 satoshi?

14:58:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 11 @ 0.06246363 = 0.6871 BTC [+] {2}

14:58:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1016 BTC [-]

14:58:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-]

14:58:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.1131 BTC [-]

14:58:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.524999 = 1.05 BTC [+]

14:59:04 mircea_popescu: can it even be < 1 satoshi ?

14:59:05 mircea_popescu: not afaik

14:59:22 kakobrekla: afaik it goes to 0

14:59:55 ThickAsThieves: core devs will save us either way

15:00:34 mircea_popescu: afaik it goes to 1

15:01:01 pankkake: I think the reward is rounded, and it should end up rounded to zero

15:01:08 pankkake: not that it will matter

15:01:30 pankkake: doge will save us anyway

15:01:39 kakobrekla: atc if not doge

15:01:41 Jere_Jones: Bitcoin is setup so that the coin generation will go to 0. Rewards will come from transaction fees.

15:01:43 ThickAsThieves: The Year 3000 Bug

15:01:47 kakobrekla: and vitalik if not atc

15:01:54 pankkake: atc goes to zero too

15:01:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.10610101 BTC [-]

15:02:21 pankkake: but bernankoin doesn't!

15:02:39 mircea_popescu: i guess we'll find out who's right in 2350 or so

15:03:08 ThickAsThieves: i s that when core devs learn to read the code?

15:03:35 jurov: maybe sooner... btc can easily have Y2038 bug

15:03:38 nubbins`: honestly

15:03:43 nubbins`: i'm starting a list

15:03:44 Jere_Jones: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Controlled_supply

15:03:53 nubbins`: of "graphic designers" who can't be fucked to do their jobs properly

15:04:08 Jere_Jones: Block 6930000 will have 0 new coins.

15:04:08 jurov: in 2038 it overflows and starts issuing million btc per block

15:04:10 jurov: yay

15:04:12 nubbins`: some guy in a band contacts me to print some CD inserts

15:04:16 dexX7_: http://live.reuters.com/Event/Janet_Yellens_Congressional_testimony this woman was listed in the letter of the "ban bitcoin senator" ... is this related?

15:04:16 ozbot: Janet Yellen's Senate Banking Committee Testimony | Reuters.com

15:04:39 nubbins`: he sends along the whole re:re:re:re:re:re:re: email chain from his designer, where i find out he paid this person $250 to design a couple of shitty inserts

15:04:43 nubbins`: and they're not even the right size.

15:05:00 nubbins`: how bad do you have to be at your job to not even bother researching the dimensions of the thing you're making?

15:05:00 ThickAsThieves: lol nubbins` good luck

15:05:04 kakobrekla: http://yanukovychleaks.org

15:05:14 nubbins`: i'm not fixing it, just told him

15:05:14 ThickAsThieves: gd is the new blue collar derp job

15:05:20 nubbins`: it really is

15:05:48 ThickAsThieves: that and "producer"

15:05:48 nubbins`: he wants to pay a "graphic" "designer" to make something, he can pay them to fix their mistakes

15:06:03 nubbins`: seriously, the back CD insert is a centimeter and a half too short.

15:06:48 ThickAsThieves: reflect the adjacent centimeter and send a proof

15:07:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.10610101 = 0.4244 BTC [-] {2}

15:07:04 ThickAsThieves: or stretch it, even more likely to be approved

15:07:12 ThickAsThieves: of course your sould will die a little

15:07:19 ThickAsThieves: soul*

15:07:26 nubbins`: nah, i'm not being paid to dick with graphics, i'm being paid to print them

15:07:30 nubbins`: no free lunch

15:07:32 kakobrekla: lemme slander it for you

15:08:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 30 @ 0.00576 = 0.1728 BTC [-]

15:08:58 Duffer1: dexX7 not likely

15:10:38 Duffer1: dexX7 but she is vice chair of the federal reserve so if she mentions bitcoin at all it would likely be interesting

15:10:48 ThickAsThieves: you'll see yellen's name all over the place she's the new fed chair

15:12:04 ThickAsThieves: white dove, they call her

15:12:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 129 @ 0.00576 = 0.743 BTC [-]

15:12:22 ThickAsThieves: they also love calling her "dovish"

15:15:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-]

15:16:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 174 @ 0.00563732 = 0.9809 BTC [-] {10}

15:16:14 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i mean either epoxy or seals, can these both work in any sense ? << depends on the exact sense wanted.

15:16:41 asciilifeform: if the 'seal' is connected to a burglar alarm, and a tripped alarm means a platoon of soldiers showing up in 30 sec., then sure.

15:16:54 asciilifeform: and even then it's not a sure bet.

15:17:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.52 = 2.08 BTC [-] {2}

15:17:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 21 @ 0.00571002 = 0.1199 BTC [+] {2}

15:18:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 215 @ 0.00553541 = 1.1901 BTC [-] {5}

15:19:08 mircea_popescu: i don't get it tho

15:19:14 mircea_popescu: epoxy prevents unsealing from doing anything.

15:19:24 mircea_popescu: either you use an alarm on the door or you brick it up.

15:19:35 mircea_popescu: what's a bricked up door with an alarm supposed to do ?

15:19:41 asciilifeform: the seal is for inspectors. the epoxy is there against the 'owner.'

15:19:58 mircea_popescu: but why would someone tamper with the seals on an epoxied item

15:20:00 asciilifeform: it is so i need a shoebox full of these phones, rather than 1 or 2, to extract whatever turd may be of interest therein.

15:20:33 asciilifeform: presumably the whole thing isn't potted

15:20:41 asciilifeform: there are 'sim' sockets, and antennae

15:20:46 asciilifeform: and perhaps other connectors

15:21:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.1063 BTC [+]

15:21:36 mircea_popescu: i guess it'd have to be

15:22:11 asciilifeform: their open declaration 'this priceless gem must never fall into the hands of the public' is simply begging for it.

15:22:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.11737022 BTC [+]

15:23:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6988 @ 0.00086592 = 6.051 BTC [-]

15:23:38 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: potting in epoxy is so very '70s

15:23:56 asciilifeform: it went out of style, as i understand - because it mostly just annoys people

15:24:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.516 BTC [-]

15:25:27 asciilifeform: the Votrax voice synth that unix 'speak' utility was meant for, was, if i recall, potted

15:25:48 asciilifeform: it was a cheap trick management insisted on, somewhat like modern copyprotection

15:26:56 asciilifeform: not that it can't be used to some effect - ibm crypto card had potting with a kind of conductive mesh, that when broken would lose SRAM

15:27:32 asciilifeform: and if i recall, some current anti-personnel mines have the detonator and anti-handling device (gyro) 'potted' in the main charge.

15:28:16 asciilifeform: main problem is: unless you (owner) personally wrapped the mesh and poured the epoxy, the device is a 'jail not a castle'

15:28:27 asciilifeform: because you then do not know what is inside.

15:28:38 asciilifeform: you (on the outside) are in the jail.

15:28:50 asciilifeform: 'are you inside or outside of a klein bottle?'

15:35:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.00086715 = 2.7749 BTC [+]

15:36:01 mircea_popescu: Jere_Jones what the wiki says and what the code does...

15:36:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26586 @ 0.00086571 = 23.0158 BTC [-] {2}

15:37:05 ThickAsThieves: https://bitcoinfoundation.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/2014-02-27-Letter-to-Senator-Manchin.pdf

15:37:26 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well it doesn't do much, i have some epoxy solvent right here

15:38:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.10615005 BTC [-]

15:38:44 mircea_popescu: (methylene chloride)

15:38:46 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'state of the art' is epoxy poured over a widget having bridges made of conductive epoxy, with ordinary epoxy poured over

15:38:53 asciilifeform: that dissolve together

15:39:11 mircea_popescu: i guess.

15:39:16 asciilifeform: this is not a show-stopper, it just means that you need to work at it.

15:39:26 asciilifeform: (hence shoebox full of identical victims)

15:40:03 mircea_popescu: if their hopes of ppl not finding out what's inside rest with epoxy...

15:40:05 mircea_popescu: but anyway.

15:40:14 asciilifeform: i think their 'hopes' rest with the price tag

15:40:18 asciilifeform: and controlled supply chain

15:41:13 mircea_popescu: and for the annals of twitter lolz :

15:41:16 mircea_popescu: Julian Sanchez @normative ? 1h Somewhere, a British spy is wanking to your last naked video chat. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/27/gchq-nsa-webcam-images-internet-yahoo ?

15:41:16 mircea_popescu: Mircea Popescu @Mircea_Popescu ? 58m @normative Actually most of these office rat "spies" are women.

15:41:16 mircea_popescu: Christopher Gurr @ChrisGurr ? 47m @Mircea_Popescu @normative women do masturbate.

15:41:16 mircea_popescu: Mircea Popescu @Mircea_Popescu ? 31m @ChrisGurr @normative Sure, sure, but I think you see what I mean.

15:41:17 mircea_popescu: Christopher Gurr @ChrisGurr ? 15m @Mircea_Popescu @normative not really.

15:41:19 mircea_popescu: Mircea Popescu @Mircea_Popescu ? now @ChrisGurr Well I guess we can rehash this conversation once you meet a woman then.

15:42:59 mike_c: mircea_popescu: you mind if we crib your screenshots to start a screenshot page on eulorum?

15:43:59 nubbins`: http://imgur.com/zJ15xMh

15:43:59 ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer

15:44:02 *: nubbins` chuckles

15:46:30 mircea_popescu: mike_c not rly

15:46:44 mircea_popescu: course ideally you run the thing and get your on ss's but hey...

15:46:49 mike_c: k. they will be credited to fraudsters.

15:46:52 mircea_popescu: apparently its a tougher nut to compile than i thought

15:46:54 mike_c: yeah, that is the hope

15:47:02 mircea_popescu: you dun have to credit ingame ss's tbh

15:47:13 mircea_popescu: i didn't... you know, contribute intellectually.

15:47:31 mircea_popescu: nubbins` why tits on dick surgery ?

15:47:53 nubbins`: milkless saqs

15:48:03 nubbins`: those aren't tits, it's a nutsack with nipples

15:48:34 mircea_popescu: hm

15:48:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30711 @ 0.00086563 = 26.5844 BTC [-]

15:49:07 mircea_popescu: omfg my spam

15:49:11 mircea_popescu: had special characters

15:49:13 mircea_popescu: doesn't show in the log

15:49:15 *: mircea_popescu cries

15:49:24 nubbins`: noooo

15:50:46 nubbins`: mircea_popescu: i'm not sure how tough it is to compile on linux

15:50:55 mircea_popescu: not very.

15:51:00 jurov: depends

15:51:03 jurov: i gave up

15:51:05 mircea_popescu: but you all use iphones or w/e

15:51:09 mircea_popescu: jurov o srsly ? what happened ?

15:51:30 jurov: segfault and no debug symbols

15:51:47 jurov: so i embarked on compiling crystalstuff

15:51:54 jurov: and failed

15:52:07 nubbins`: which CS?

15:52:13 nubbins`: i used 2.1 latest snapshot

15:52:33 jurov: i tried both latest and the revision chetty gave me

15:52:51 nubbins`: mircea_popescu: TBF most of the trouble i had was related to osx-specific code

15:53:12 nubbins`: what sort of problems did you run into w/ your compile?

15:53:25 mircea_popescu: jurov cs failed the compile ?

15:53:38 jurov: yes. gentoo does have cs 2.0 and it compiles, maybe sometime i'll research by what magic

15:53:48 nubbins`: i think 2.1 is required

15:53:49 jurov: i just had enough

15:53:58 jurov: nubs yes thats the problem

15:53:58 mircea_popescu: yeah the segfault was 99% because you probably couldn't acquire a video surface

15:54:00 mircea_popescu: cause no cs

15:54:39 jurov: then i noticed cs shipped with eulora 0.0.1 links dorectly to ati proprietary driver

15:54:44 nubbins`: CS itself requires a bunch of libraries to be installed, but the report produced at the end of ./configure lists what's there and what's not

15:54:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.54332299 = 6.5199 BTC [+] {6}

15:54:49 mike_c: i tried a couple different versions of ati drivers but can't stop segfaulting either.

15:55:00 nubbins`: ah

15:55:14 nubbins`: this macbook has, i think, nvidia

15:55:27 jurov: just don't know what to dowith it

15:55:33 nubbins`: nod

15:55:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00567999 = 0.284 BTC [-]

15:55:54 nubbins`: i gave up compiling earlier versions, decided i had a vested interest in getting this to work, buckled down

15:56:00 chetty: looks like upgrading my development system threw a few curves :(

15:56:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 51 @ 0.00498607 = 0.2543 BTC [+] {2}

15:56:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 38 @ 0.00559 = 0.2124 BTC [-] {3}

15:57:50 nubbins`: jurov FWIW there's a ton of info out there on random CS compilation issues from older versions, some of it is still relevant

15:58:01 nubbins`: just a bit of a slog sorting through the error logs etc

15:58:20 jurov: yes i found some, killed few hours with no avail

15:58:38 mike_c: we need eulora to run easier to boost ATC prices!

15:58:46 nubbins`: mike_c: what?!

15:58:53 *: nubbins` removes osx compilation instructions

15:58:59 mike_c: haha

15:59:08 chetty: there is a #crystalspace channel might get some help there

15:59:14 nubbins`: WAIT FUCK IT'S A WIKI THAT WON'T WORK

15:59:19 jurov: ok, some other day

15:59:26 mike_c: luckily i control the database :)

15:59:49 nubbins`: ;D

15:59:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 232 @ 0.00560692 = 1.3008 BTC [-] {6}

15:59:59 mircea_popescu: so basically cs ships with an ati proprietary driver object linked ?

16:00:02 nubbins`: pascale runs ubuntu, i might take a stab at it over the weekend

16:00:40 jurov: just do ldd on the .so, you'll see

16:00:48 nubbins`: meantime, i need to figure out why my keyboard input doesn't get redirected to the gui

16:01:07 nubbins`: just shows up in the terminal window from which the gui is launched

16:01:23 mircea_popescu: nubbins` you on x ?

16:01:26 nubbins`: yep

16:01:34 mircea_popescu: this is fucking ridiculous, x doesn't have any isolation

16:01:35 nubbins`: mouse clicks get picked up

16:01:41 nubbins`: wait, sorry

16:01:43 mircea_popescu: any x app can pick the kbd

16:01:47 nubbins`: i'm not on x

16:01:49 mircea_popescu: oh

16:01:56 mircea_popescu: well what are you on ?

16:02:00 mircea_popescu: o wait you had osx ?

16:02:03 nubbins`: nod

16:02:35 mircea_popescu: did they just rip off x into something incompatible or what did they do

16:02:57 nubbins`: x on osx is called xquartz (gets launched when i run gimp, inkscape, etc)

16:03:15 nubbins`: but when i run ./psclient from terminal, gui window opens up without the help of xquarts

16:03:18 nubbins`: *xquartz

16:03:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.06289989 = 0.7548 BTC [+]

16:03:58 kakobrekla: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/27/gchq-nsa-webcam-images-internet-yahoo

16:03:59 ozbot: GCHQ intercepted webcam images of millions of Yahoo users worldwide | World news | theguardian.com

16:04:08 nubbins`: i know nothing of the internals involved there, tho

16:04:15 nubbins`: more research needed

16:04:55 nubbins`: fyi, i'll be buttering you up for more stock warrants if i end up maintaining osx releases ;D

16:04:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1015 BTC [-]

16:05:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 38 @ 0.00554999 = 0.2109 BTC [-]

16:05:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-]

16:08:47 bitcoinpete: ahoy

16:08:57 nubbins`: avast

16:09:42 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla YES

16:09:52 mircea_popescu: that is the thing i was commenting about and doesn't show up in the log!

16:10:03 kakobrekla: lol.

16:10:05 mircea_popescu: can't you make it so unrecognised characters are just stripped out ?

16:10:10 mircea_popescu: rather than whole line failing ?

16:10:13 mircea_popescu: it's driving me nuts

16:10:14 kakobrekla: no clue

16:10:21 kakobrekla: lol

16:10:34 kakobrekla: ill take a look at some point

16:11:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.5449 = 2.1796 BTC [+]

16:11:11 bitcoinpete: now I understand why ThickAsThieves was asking about me...

16:11:27 bitcoinpete: He read my last blog and left a comment because I mentioned Neo

16:11:28 bitcoinpete: http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/the-wallet-inspectors-promise/#comments

16:11:30 ozbot: The Wallet Inspector’s Promise | When Bitcoin Met Pete

16:11:40 Duffer1: ya saw that hehe

16:12:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 472 @ 0.00540388 = 2.5506 BTC [-] {10}

16:12:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29700 @ 0.00086715 = 25.7544 BTC [+]

16:12:07 mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete so did oyu delete ?

16:12:37 kakobrekla: already 4 articles on that blog, not bad

16:12:40 mircea_popescu: ah i see not.

16:12:41 kakobrekla: more than i ever produced.

16:13:03 nubbins`: bitcoinpete lel

16:13:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 69 @ 0.00539999 = 0.3726 BTC [-] {2}

16:13:58 bitcoinpete: Maybe I didn't need to mention Neo… but it's been hyped enough of late. Makes the article seem up with the times.

16:14:24 mike_c: don't back down!

16:14:29 mircea_popescu: eh dun sweat it.

16:15:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00541017 = 0.2164 BTC [+]

16:15:09 bitcoinpete: I'm not, I understand the implication I made

16:15:15 mike_c: that's what comments are for anyway, to debate the post. TaT got his word in.

16:15:29 mircea_popescu: ^

16:15:57 bitcoinpete: mmhmm

16:18:16 bitcoinpete: I've got another article in the pipeline about patience

16:18:53 nubbins`: http://yro.slashdot.org/story/14/02/27/1616201/quebec-language-police-target-store-owners-facebook-page

16:18:54 ozbot: Quebec Language Police Target Store Owner's Facebook Page - Slashdot

16:19:49 pankkake: ils sont fous ces québécois

16:20:09 nubbins`: oui ;(

16:20:50 nubbins`: j'ai vécu au Québec pour un été

16:21:04 nubbins`: endroit étrange

16:21:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1046 BTC [+]

16:21:16 Apocalyptic: nubbins speak french heh

16:21:19 Apocalyptic: +s

16:21:22 nubbins`: i'm canadian

16:21:25 nubbins`: obv

16:21:51 nubbins`: you only speak one language?!

16:22:10 Apocalyptic: I speak 4

16:22:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00533001 = 0.533 BTC [-] {3}

16:22:34 nubbins`: and french isn't one of them?

16:22:36 nubbins`: :0

16:22:40 Apocalyptic: it is, why ?

16:22:55 nubbins`: not sure where your "heh" came from :D

16:23:09 Apocalyptic: was just genuinely surprised

16:23:13 nubbins`: ah

16:23:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 155 @ 0.00533 = 0.8262 BTC [-] {5}

16:23:39 mike_c: ^ bitcoinpete drives down neo stock

16:23:41 nubbins`: anyway, pankkake might argue that i don't speak "french" at all

16:23:51 nubbins`: but a bastardized derivation thereof

16:24:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 360 @ 0.00533 = 1.9188 BTC [-] {4}

16:24:30 bitcoinpete: mice_c ha! ce n'est pas ma faute!

16:24:44 mircea_popescu: wait is it french day again ?

16:24:54 Apocalyptic: seems like it

16:24:54 nubbins`: non

16:24:55 bitcoinpete: it is in bruxelles

16:24:58 nubbins`: ANGLAIS SEULEMENT SVP

16:25:01 bitcoinpete: my god their french is lovely here

16:25:03 asciilifeform: re: 'GCHQ intercepted webcam images' << goes great with the well-known fact that most laptop cameras have software-controlled activity lights.

16:25:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 353 @ 0.00533 = 1.8815 BTC [-] {4}

16:25:20 mircea_popescu: maybe not so well known

16:25:37 asciilifeform: (this is one of those things that actually costs something, and is in no conceivable case an accident)

16:25:40 mike_c: http://eyebloc.com/

16:25:41 ozbot: Eyebloc Webcam Cover - Webcam Blocker as Seen on Shark Tank

16:26:08 nubbins`: eyebloc prevents your lid from closing

16:26:11 nubbins`: why not use a sticker?

16:26:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 36 @ 0.00533001 = 0.1919 BTC [+] {2}

16:26:20 asciilifeform: why not open the damn thing up and unplug it

16:26:23 mike_c: cuz consumerism

16:26:26 pankkake: so you can remove it, I guess

16:26:31 nubbins`: open up a macbook? what are you, new? ;(

16:26:36 asciilifeform: it's virtually always an ordinary usb device with a non-standard plug

16:27:03 nubbins`: pankkake: piece of tape with a piece of paper in the middle of the sticky side

16:28:02 nubbins`: AS SEEN ON SHARK TANK

16:28:08 nubbins`: AS SEEN ON TV

16:28:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.0053011 = 0.2651 BTC [-] {4}

16:28:27 nubbins`: do they even have a product? i can't find it amongst all the SHARK TANK logos

16:29:03 asciilifeform: incidentally, winblows camera trojans are old hat.

16:29:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 92 @ 0.00531 = 0.4885 BTC [+]

16:29:58 mircea_popescu: gotta get the gurlz used to camwhoring somehow.

16:30:09 wao-ender: v0v, that krym politics

16:30:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 154 @ 0.00531 = 0.8177 BTC [+] {2}

16:30:39 wao-ender: there will be referendum for autonomy?

16:30:54 mircea_popescu: ok so : knowing that the "on the internet no one knows you're a dog" cartoon is the most reprinted cartoon in the history of the new yorker,

16:31:00 mircea_popescu: how much did the author make from rights so far ?

16:31:06 nubbins`: $20

16:31:10 mircea_popescu: more

16:31:27 bitcoinpete: 1 million

16:31:29 mircea_popescu: less

16:31:34 asciilifeform: 1k

16:31:36 mircea_popescu: more

16:31:39 nubbins`: 50k

16:31:41 mircea_popescu: right

16:31:46 nubbins`: cheated ;(

16:31:48 mircea_popescu: 4 questions. smartypants.

16:31:50 mircea_popescu: awww

16:32:15 mircea_popescu: fucking internet, can't have a contest anymore

16:32:15 asciilifeform: i think that's close to the exact sum, in modern usd, that tolkien was paid for his books.

16:32:24 mike_c: "The cartoon marks a notable moment in the history of the Internet. Once the exclusive domain of government engineers and academics, the Internet was now a subject of discussion in general interest magazines like The New Yorker."

16:32:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 112 @ 0.0053 = 0.5936 BTC [-]

16:32:33 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform meanwhile the retarded woman made like 1bn

16:32:33 mike_c: bitcoin is already there i guess

16:33:02 thestringpuller: why you hatin' on harry potter?

16:33:02 nubbins`: in bitcoin, nobody knows you're a derp

16:33:09 thestringpuller: is that really necessary?

16:33:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 125 @ 0.0053 = 0.6625 BTC [-]

16:33:49 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller i just think it's pulpy.

16:34:13 benkay: hey thestringpuller i found your new shoes

16:34:15 benkay: strin

16:34:16 nubbins`: nothing wrong with pulp

16:34:18 benkay: http://www.zumiez.com/dc-villain-le-wheat-black-slippers.html

16:34:18 ozbot: DC Villain LE Wheat & Black Slippers at Zumiez : PDP

16:34:41 nubbins`: consider that HP inspired a generation of kids to fall in love with books

16:34:50 nubbins`: that's a net positive

16:34:59 asciilifeform: i recall reading that H.P. was sort of like mtgox

16:35:16 asciilifeform: in that it was picked for the 'slot' by media mouthpieces

16:35:23 mircea_popescu: ^

16:35:34 mircea_popescu: i dunno that it "did" anything

16:35:50 benkay: hp was great in that it gave pretty 13 year old girls something different to run their mouths about

16:35:50 mircea_popescu: it was just there, any other piece of pulp would have worked the same way

16:35:59 asciilifeform: there is this old custom in the u.s., of 'crowning' some nobody

16:36:03 mircea_popescu: different than what ?

16:36:13 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform at least the greeks killed the nobody when done

16:36:24 benkay: lacrosse at our school

16:36:25 mircea_popescu: rather than leaving the turd floating on a billion dollars.

16:36:30 benkay: probably mtv elsewhere

16:36:43 asciilifeform: $1b is never given to a nobody, it is only lent.

16:36:48 asciilifeform: just like lottery winners

16:36:59 Apocalyptic: unless it's in bitcoins

16:37:03 asciilifeform: it eventually comes back to where it must, like water

16:37:08 benkay: even so, Apocalyptic

16:37:16 MisterE: http://thingsthatarecheaperthanwhatsapp.tumblr.com/

16:37:17 ozbot: Things that are cheaper than whatsapp

16:37:48 bitcoinpete: LHC, whoa

16:38:10 benkay: i soliloquized on the benefits of the gox coins ending up in the hands of humans who undertsand how coins work instead of gox' or their customers last night

16:38:15 benkay: went over like a charm

16:38:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34900 @ 0.00086839 = 30.3068 BTC [+] {3}

16:38:50 mike_c: if only gox traded bernankoin those poor souls could be made whole.

16:39:11 Apocalyptic: benkay, you may have a point

16:39:13 asciilifeform: MisterE: re: 'things cheaper than' << think about what would happen if the folks with the funny money actually bought 38 million cows or whatnot

16:39:27 asciilifeform: it's rather like the $MAXINT account on gox

16:40:01 mike_c: but the cow dealer might not take most of the money in facebook stock like whatsapp did.

16:40:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 120 @ 0.0053 = 0.636 BTC [-]

16:40:39 benkay: Apocalyptic: i'm a bit of a pariah among locals in bitcoin right now due to the glee i exhibited over the past 4 months in their demise. my only consolation is that the derps will turn over, as they do here. it just seems to be slower around here, mostly i think 'cause people lack any sort of hustle in these parts.

16:40:46 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what'd happen ? there'd suddenly be a stringent need for regulation

16:40:54 kakobrekla: the only thing you can do with that much cow is ipcc extortion

16:40:56 mircea_popescu: so as to inflate away the property rights acquired

16:41:27 benkay: Apocalyptic: of course, saying "you don't deserve your coins" yields a quick ticket to the edge of the desert

16:41:33 asciilifeform: more mundanely, the money would buy perhaps 10,000 cows.

16:41:56 mircea_popescu: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8l85yDkWy1ru15g3o1_1280.jpg

16:43:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.11334348 = 1.5868 BTC [+]

16:45:05 benkay: nerds :(

16:45:23 benkay: "a naked lay-dee!"

16:45:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.0052785 = 1.0557 BTC [-] {2}

16:46:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 35 @ 0.00529998 = 0.1855 BTC [+] {3}

16:46:42 mircea_popescu: mhm.

16:47:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13626 @ 0.00086878 = 11.838 BTC [+]

16:47:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00529998 = 0.265 BTC [+] {2}

16:48:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 145 @ 0.00520686 = 0.755 BTC [-] {3}

16:49:05 benkay: jurov mircea_popescu you are both right as always about physics stuffs

16:49:26 benkay: but!

16:49:43 benkay: actually no buts

16:49:47 mircea_popescu: lmao

16:49:50 mircea_popescu: what did i do nao

16:49:51 benkay: .bait

16:49:55 ozbot: http://assets.tumblr.com/images/copyright_500.png

16:50:18 kakobrekla: such asset

16:50:25 mircea_popescu: what the holy shit is a "LNP Specialist " supposed to be

16:50:50 benkay: "licker of new penises"

16:51:01 jurov: mircea_popescu: it was the inflatable dick stretching to sea floor

16:51:17 mircea_popescu: o ic

16:51:28 mircea_popescu: so apparently a "lnp specialist" is what they call phonewhores

16:51:38 mircea_popescu: ie the camwhores that do voice customer support.

16:51:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 30 @ 0.005205 = 0.1562 BTC [-]

16:52:06 asciilifeform: 'phonewalla' (as described in film 'slumdog millionaire')

16:52:06 Jere_Jones: mircea_popescu I've looked at the code that calculates the max coinbase out and it does indeed calculate a subsidy of 0 for blocks 6930000 and greater. I can explain it line by line if you like.

16:53:02 mircea_popescu: Jere_Jones my question is different. will blocks with a 0 miner fee be accepted as valid ?

16:53:18 Jere_Jones: Yes

16:53:33 mircea_popescu: well then i give

16:53:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 938 @ 0.00505339 = 4.7401 BTC [-] {13}

16:53:55 pankkake: you can already make a block with 0 now

16:54:29 Jere_Jones: ConnectBlock is the function that verifies a block. It only ensures that the value out of the first transaction is not greater than a calculated value. One would expect 0 to not be greater than.

16:54:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 625 @ 0.00495599 = 3.0975 BTC [-] {3}

16:55:02 jurov: lol mining such blocks would be a good way to rile everyone up

16:55:06 mircea_popescu: i got nothin'!

16:55:42 Jere_Jones: That would destroy coins since the fees would disappear.

16:55:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.00086493 = 2.9408 BTC [-] {2}

16:57:40 Jere_Jones: Wow. Extrapolating that to absurd means you could destroy every single bitcoin. The blockchain could have a grand total of 0 satoshis spendable.

16:57:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 170 @ 0.0048884 = 0.831 BTC [-] {7}

16:58:23 Jere_Jones: I imagine that long before that could happen there would be some code added to ensure the coinbase adds up to the fees in order to prevent that.

16:58:36 benkay: Jere_Jones: would you link somewhere near this in the source?

16:58:40 mircea_popescu: it wouldn't be 0,

16:58:44 mircea_popescu: it'd be current total base

16:58:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 113 @ 0.00496 = 0.5605 BTC [+] {2}

16:59:24 Jere_Jones: benkay https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/e3e65d29b70c64808b3ab5c58ce0b3bcefaadc5d/src/main.cpp#L1093

16:59:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.49075700 BTC to 3`100 shares, 80347 satoshi per share

16:59:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 170 @ 0.00518217 = 0.881 BTC [+] {5}

17:00:15 Jere_Jones: The not greater than check is here: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/e3e65d29b70c64808b3ab5c58ce0b3bcefaadc5d/src/main.cpp#L1738

17:02:25 mircea_popescu: >>= is that right bitshift ?

17:02:38 asciilifeform: yes.

17:02:40 Jere_Jones: yes. 0 fill bitshift

17:03:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] [PAID] 1.47825643 BTC to 320`663 shares, 461 satoshi per share

17:04:56 mircea_popescu: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bg7_WS1IgAEa7sB.jpg:large << map of countries the uk has not invaded.

17:04:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 23 @ 0.00517997 = 0.1191 BTC [-] {2}

17:05:59 jurov: when did it invade eastern europe?

17:06:26 asciilifeform: jurov: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied_intervention_in_the_Russian_Civil_War

17:09:04 asciilifeform: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mark_in_Arkhangelsk_RU.JPG

17:09:07 asciilifeform: epic translation fail

17:09:21 asciilifeform: 'English: Mark V female tank in Arkhangelsk'

17:11:22 benkay: http://nymag.com/thecut/2014/02/normcore-fashion-trend.html

17:12:56 mircea_popescu: lol

17:12:57 pankkake: benkay: burn them all

17:14:20 mircea_popescu: anyway : janet yellen yields to fraudsters

17:14:24 mircea_popescu: "fed has no authority in btc"

17:15:09 bitcoinpete: boom

17:15:20 benkay: no but wait she doesn't matter we must consult the forumoracles

17:15:42 benkay: (buttcoin fumaroles)

17:15:48 mircea_popescu: yeah right, who is she

17:15:53 mircea_popescu: hasn't even done an ama or anything.

17:16:16 benkay: yeah gosh doesn't she know bitcoin is a people power movement?

17:16:32 benkay: never going to get anywhere with this elitest fiat attitude...

17:16:54 nubbins`: people power

17:16:55 bitcoinpete: speaking of the fed, mircea_popescu, I've been looking for that line in the logs about the world having its Zimbabwe moment from 2010-2014 and not even knowing it. That's classic. Do you remember when it was or have a link?

17:16:56 nubbins`: PPLP

17:17:03 asciilifeform: in other news, 'flir' camera for the proles. http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2454119,00.asp

17:17:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.54489999 = 1.0898 BTC [-]

17:17:16 nubbins`: ppl(W/T)

17:18:00 mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2014#468962

17:18:17 bitcoinpete: gratzi

17:18:26 benkay: asciilifeform: my limited intel sez flir's having a hard time

17:18:32 benkay: ergo consumer devices?

17:19:28 asciilifeform: $1k longwave IR viewers are old hat

17:19:36 asciilifeform: plenty of electronics hobbyists own them

17:20:02 asciilifeform: usually 10x10 pixels or so, but that's enough to find thermal faults

17:20:13 nubbins`: http://bitcoinmagazine.com/10574/warning-bm-subscribers-open-document-re-mt-gox-staff/

17:20:14 nubbins`: lel

17:20:15 ozbot: WARNING to BM Subscribers: Do NOT Open Any Document Re: Mt.Gox from Our Staff – Bitcoin Magazine

17:20:46 nubbins`: i think she meant to say "that purports to be from our staff", but w/e

17:21:03 nubbins`: also, -1 for tip address at bottom of article

17:21:09 mircea_popescu: nubbins` https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/439030163729575936

17:21:24 nubbins`: haha

17:21:48 mircea_popescu: the value of bitcoin is principally this : that an intelligent agent can turn any turdgasm into comedy gold.

17:23:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 42 @ 0.00500239 = 0.2101 BTC [-] {2}

17:24:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 34 @ 0.00490005 = 0.1666 BTC [-] {2}

17:24:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.5449 = 1.0898 BTC [+]

17:24:57 Korbman: anybody from the US get a call from the SEC today / recently?

17:26:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.0048 = 0.24 BTC [-]

17:26:27 kakobrekla: arent you from HL?

17:26:58 Korbman: on HL, yes, but it wasn't about me they wanted to talk about

17:27:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00476002 = 0.476 BTC [-]

17:27:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.06135022 = 0.1227 BTC [-]

17:27:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5500 @ 0.00086792 = 4.7736 BTC [+] {2}

17:27:50 Duffer1: ukyo/burnside?

17:28:02 Korbman: SatoshiDice and MPEx

17:28:11 Duffer1: fascinating

17:28:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5478 BTC [+]

17:28:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.06135021 = 0.1227 BTC [-] {2}

17:28:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 164 @ 0.00476003 = 0.7806 BTC [+]

17:28:28 nubbins`: huh. interesting!

17:28:40 Korbman: indeed, and surprising

17:28:45 Apocalyptic: huh indeed

17:28:56 Duffer1: vorhees and popescu then

17:29:00 Apocalyptic: next thing we know they're coming to Timisoara

17:29:08 nubbins`: twist: they're hosting the conference

17:29:11 mike_c: what did they want to know?

17:29:16 Apocalyptic: haha nubbins`

17:29:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.06135 = 0.3681 BTC [-]

17:29:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5479 BTC [+]

17:29:32 Duffer1: probably if they had US customers/investors

17:29:52 *: nubbins` pops corn

17:30:02 Korbman: they were wondering if I held any shares of Dice on MPEx, who any PT operators were, and if I received payments (dividends)

17:30:20 Korbman: Duffer1: my thoughts exactly

17:30:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5479 BTC [+]

17:31:00 Duffer1: they're in for an unpleasant time if they thing their cock size will impress Mircea lol

17:31:05 Duffer1: think*

17:31:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.0048 = 0.48 BTC [+] {2}

17:31:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.06055006 = 0.1817 BTC [-] {2}

17:31:39 mike_c: did they seem to be aware that dice is no longer listed?

17:32:15 Duffer1: did they ask you not to mention anything Korbman?

17:32:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.548333 = 1.645 BTC [+] {2}

17:33:08 nubbins`: Duffer1, SEC lurks here, so i hope not

17:33:12 Korbman: mike_c: seemed that way, but they didn't divulge much on what's going on

17:33:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.06005444 = 0.5405 BTC [-] {4}

17:33:46 Korbman: Duffer1: there wasn't any explicit indication that it was to be private

17:33:59 Duffer1: i see

17:34:03 Korbman: or else I wouldn't be on here haha :P

17:34:17 Apocalyptic: good answer

17:34:56 *: nubbins` divests

17:35:10 Duffer1: welcome SEC, say hello

17:35:11 nubbins`: Duffer1: cock size, maybe not. extradition order, maybe so.

17:35:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26800 @ 0.00086831 = 23.2707 BTC [+] {2}

17:35:29 deadweasel: lol, how do you think romania would respond to such?

17:35:34 nubbins`: http://www.fbi.gov/newyork/press-releases/2013/three-members-of-international-cyber-fraud-ring-extradited-from-romania-to-the-united-states

17:35:35 ozbot: FBI — Three Members of International Cyber Fraud Ring Extradited from Romania to the United States

17:35:38 nubbins`: ^ that's how

17:35:42 deadweasel: well shit

17:36:00 Apocalyptic: one mircea is among them

17:36:04 nubbins`: last name

17:36:13 BingoBoingo: Eh, There's always Somalia

17:36:14 Apocalyptic: true

17:36:14 mircea_popescu: nubbins` derp.

17:36:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5499 BTC [+]

17:36:41 nubbins`: hey, all i do is opine and link

17:37:04 nubbins`: "The Bucharest Appeals Court ordered the extraditions of Mircea, Pieptea, and Simion on February 2, 2013. The defendants were subsequently transported to the Eastern District of New York and arraigned on March 27, 2013."

17:37:35 mircea_popescu: aren't these the guys with the fake ebay listings ?

17:37:40 nubbins`: seems so

17:37:49 mircea_popescu: ya they were

17:37:49 mircea_popescu: As alleged in the indictment, the defendants and their co-conspirators saturated Internet marketplace websites, such as eBay.com, Cars.com, AutoTrader.com, and CycleTrader.com, with detailed advertisements for cars, motorcycles, boats, and other high-value items generally priced in the $10,000 to $45,000 range. Unbeknownst to the buyers, however, the merchandise did not exist. The so-called sellers corresponded with th

17:37:49 mircea_popescu: e victim buyers by e-mail, sending fraudulent certificates of title and other information designed to lure the victims into parting with their money. Sometimes, they pretended to sell cars from non-existent auto dealerships in the United States and even created phony websites for these fictitious dealerships.

17:38:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 20 @ 0.05844999 = 1.169 BTC [-] {8}

17:38:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.5499775 = 4.3998 BTC [+] {2}

17:39:02 nubbins`: anyway, point is that if the usa wants to extradite someone from a foreign country and provides even a tenuous reason for doing so, there's no reason to think said country won't comply

17:39:15 asciilifeform: so much for sovereignty?

17:39:20 nubbins`: hm, would the verb be "intradite" in that sense? is that even a word?

17:39:26 nubbins`: asciilifeform, what are you, new?

17:39:28 nubbins`: ;(

17:39:28 mircea_popescu: it would seem successfully prosecuting fraudsters hardly amounts to much indication of your theory.

17:39:37 asciilifeform: although it is possible that Ro gave them up voluntarily

17:40:04 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well the hell would it have given them up involuntarily lol

17:40:07 nubbins`: mircea_popescu: they extradited a canadian national a couple of years ago who mailed marijuana seeds from canada to the usa

17:40:16 Duffer1: what circumstances would allow for an extradition

17:40:22 nubbins`: that's hardly even a crime here. previous record for harshest punishment was a $200 fine.

17:40:31 KRS-One: o7 sturles teh goxcoin billionaire

17:40:51 mircea_popescu: nubbins` that may be canada's problem

17:41:03 mircea_popescu: fraud is a crime in romania, this wasn't too hard to prove really

17:41:28 benkay: aight davout you got another?

17:41:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00500997 = 0.501 BTC [-] {4}

17:41:36 nubbins`: may be your problem soon enough

17:41:40 nubbins`: but like i said, all i do is opine and link :)

17:41:45 mircea_popescu: sure, why not.

17:41:57 mircea_popescu: i'

17:42:07 mircea_popescu: ve not been in a court for a while anyway, kinda getting to miss it.

17:42:19 nubbins`: gives you an excuse to wear a suit

17:42:22 nubbins`: ;D

17:42:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.53915 = 3.2349 BTC [-] {2}

17:42:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 94 @ 0.00493101 = 0.4635 BTC [-] {6}

17:42:50 mircea_popescu: and publicly humiliate people.

17:42:59 mircea_popescu: supposedly i'm good at that.

17:43:29 nubbins`: "your honor, the prosecution cannot bear the continued humiliation, and therefore withdraws all charges"

17:43:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.54998 = 1.6499 BTC [+]

17:44:00 mircea_popescu: now that'd suck.

17:44:19 mircea_popescu: you'd hope people stick with denial for the length of the exercise.

17:44:23 nubbins`: well yeah, nothing would get resolved!

17:44:40 mircea_popescu: "your honor, clearly we're winning by losing over here, wouldn't you agree"

17:44:49 nubbins`: http://imgur.com/RtCUqDy

17:44:49 ozbot: Woman in Scotland fills out the wrong form on TripAdvisor. Is now ranked 87 o

17:45:01 chatquack: Is https://bitbook.biz/ dead? :(

17:45:28 Duffer1: never heard of it

17:45:46 chatquack: ...sports betting site...

17:45:51 chatquack: Was, anyway...

17:45:52 BingoBoingo: chatquack: Maybe, official story is prolongued DDoS, wouldn't be their first

17:46:00 chatquack: Ahhh ok!

17:46:09 mircea_popescu: anyway, the sec, just like any other us or non us, governmental or non governmental agency needs to get used to the idea that bitcoin is a thing, and they need to work with it.

17:46:13 chatquack: I wanted to see how that tennis match turned out.

17:46:20 mircea_popescu: not a negotiable thing.

17:46:39 BingoBoingo: chatquack: Not very confident in them going forward.

17:47:04 chatquack: That makes me a sad panda.

17:47:15 mircea_popescu: got a lot there ?

17:47:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 63 @ 0.00526587 = 0.3317 BTC [+] {6}

17:47:42 chatquack: Naw... Just a few cents

17:47:48 mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caPnBs5TwD4

17:47:49 ozbot: Performance By Chesty La Rue and Chow Mein From Harlettes Monster Mash 7 - YouTube

17:47:55 mircea_popescu: amateurz/noobz/lulz

17:48:00 mircea_popescu: o and boobz.

17:48:02 chatquack: Ha! Monster mash

17:48:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 84 @ 0.0050076 = 0.4206 BTC [-] {3}

17:48:55 chatquack: Is she drinking gin?

17:49:27 mircea_popescu: water, proably. a more awkward thing i don't remember.

17:49:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.54998 BTC [+]

17:49:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38507 @ 0.00086347 = 33.2496 BTC [-] {2}

17:49:43 chatquack: mmmmmm ta ta's

17:50:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 116 @ 0.00515335 = 0.5978 BTC [+] {6}

17:50:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.54999861 = 4.95 BTC [+] {4}

17:50:44 chatquack: oh, looks like a jager bottle

17:53:25 Duffer1: i look forward to the SEC comedy hour, have they set a date/time MP?

17:53:35 ThickAsThieves: so SEC probly pursuing Erik

17:53:53 mircea_popescu: Duffer1 next week sometime.

17:54:02 mircea_popescu: and i set the dates.

17:54:22 Duffer1: ^.^ i hope i'm awake for it

17:54:26 kakobrekla: tat or MP, but we will see that if and when SEC joins the chan

17:54:38 Duffer1: why Erik though s.dice was sold

17:54:40 Apocalyptic: would definitely be popcorn time

17:54:55 nubbins`: ugh, someone was chewing bubble gum the other day and it reminded me of Jager bombs

17:54:57 nubbins`: almost threw up

17:55:14 chatquack: ugh

17:55:31 ThickAsThieves: maybe because/how/whether SDICE was sold

17:56:05 mircea_popescu: myeah.

17:56:26 kakobrekla: but the proceeds ended up on gox, so there.

17:56:29 Duffer1: did blockchain buy it or is that a partnership?

17:56:41 mircea_popescu: lol

17:56:44 Duffer1: ver has shilled for gox before..

17:56:51 mircea_popescu: poor sec people tbh.

17:57:25 mircea_popescu: i imagine it's an insane fucking job right about now. in the same day their boss says btc is what mp says it is and some derp senator calls for its banning,

17:57:31 asciilifeform: incidentally, now might be a good time to learn that russian passport can (if certain laws currently under consideration pass) be had for about 300K usd.

17:57:40 mircea_popescu: before that some ny state guy is trying to get it licensed and the acct office said it can't,

17:58:13 mircea_popescu: now they're stuck somehow dealing with quite obvious fraud a la mtgox while somehow satisfying the demands of patently insane eastern european dudes with no interest in their internal problems

17:58:31 mircea_popescu: being a bureaucrat is all about following a fucking script, which is exactly antithetical to the situation they find themselves in.

17:58:43 dexX7: now is the time to tell. were you the unknown buyer of sd? ;)

17:58:52 mircea_popescu: nah.

17:59:03 mircea_popescu: what, that was actually a thing ?

17:59:04 dexX7: "nah i won't tell" or "nah, i was not"?

17:59:10 mircea_popescu: i'd have announced it if i was.

17:59:12 mircea_popescu: nah i was not.

17:59:26 Duffer1: that's part of my question yesterday, can there physically exist a bureaucracy capable of "regulating" bitcoin?

17:59:28 dexX7: well, tat came up with the idea initially, if i remember correctly

17:59:29 mircea_popescu: someone srsly thought i was ?

17:59:48 mircea_popescu: Duffer1 sure. the dutch managed to regulate dutch trade just fine

17:59:52 Duffer1: i can't imagine the amount of resources it would take

17:59:56 mircea_popescu: by delegating it to the people who knew wtf was going on.

18:00:21 Duffer1: but even then if the miners disagree with that group...

18:00:36 mircea_popescu: that group is predicated on the theory of "knowing wtf is going on"

18:00:42 mircea_popescu: miners can;t disagree with that.

18:00:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 22 @ 0.00528657 = 0.1163 BTC [+] {5}

18:00:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 61 @ 0.00519014 = 0.3166 BTC [+] {2}

18:00:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61537 @ 0.00086294 = 53.1027 BTC [-] {3}

18:01:34 ThickAsThieves: <dexX7> well, tat came up with the idea initially, if i remember correctly /// was a guess between me and Occam

18:01:47 ThickAsThieves: although Occam forgot to tell me an even more likely buyer was Erik

18:01:49 Duffer1: so are they going to offer you a job then MP?

18:02:11 mircea_popescu: how are they in the position to offer me a job ?!

18:02:19 diametric: haha some idiot bought USD$5,000 worth of Goxbtc yesterday morning

18:02:22 mircea_popescu: what do i get paid in, usg stock ?

18:02:28 ThickAsThieves: King of US

18:02:34 dexX7: as self proclaimed regulator of teh bitcoins

18:02:35 Duffer1: from their perspective they might believe they are i mean

18:02:36 mircea_popescu: but i dun wanna be king of us.

18:02:44 ThickAsThieves: Kinf of the Werld?

18:02:46 mircea_popescu: Duffer1 well sure but i never heard of this working

18:02:46 ThickAsThieves: g

18:03:00 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves you know, if i wanted a larger harem i'd enlarge my harem.

18:03:15 ThickAsThieves: well you want somnthing

18:03:20 mircea_popescu: that's the catch lol

18:03:22 mircea_popescu: i don't.

18:03:32 ThickAsThieves: when'd your funeral?

18:03:39 mircea_popescu: hm ?

18:03:55 ThickAsThieves: lame joke, ignore

18:04:03 mircea_popescu: ya but what does it mean

18:04:13 ThickAsThieves: nothing to live for

18:04:16 ThickAsThieves: kill urself

18:04:19 ThickAsThieves: when is funeral

18:04:36 ThickAsThieves: you already beat the game

18:04:41 ThickAsThieves: now do hard mode

18:04:53 mircea_popescu: lol

18:04:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 55 @ 0.00529 = 0.291 BTC [+]

18:04:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15500 @ 0.00086849 = 13.4616 BTC [+] {2}

18:05:04 mircea_popescu: what, people can live just fine after they maxlvl

18:05:13 mircea_popescu: just a lot moar zen.

18:05:58 mircea_popescu: but anyway, speaking of glbse, did they extradite mccarthy guy yet ?

18:06:07 mircea_popescu: cause that's a trial i'd actually like to see

18:06:18 mircea_popescu: "your honor, may i just say derp"

18:06:29 ThickAsThieves: no fun hunting dudes out of the spotlight

18:06:42 ThickAsThieves: they are headhunting bitcoin jesuses first

18:07:05 mircea_popescu: oic.

18:08:01 ThickAsThieves: maybe a bitbet "Bitcoin Apostles Sacrificed" At least 12 Bitcoin Talking Heads Get Charged in 2014

18:08:36 Duffer1: SEC if you're here there's a guy named Ken Slaughter operating somewhere in the U.S. midwest in desperate need of your attentions

18:08:54 asciilifeform: wake me up for the televised impalements.

18:09:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1035 BTC [-]

18:09:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.02056011 = 0.2056 BTC [-] {7}

18:09:51 mircea_popescu: Duffer1 yes, the irony of the situation is that really, there's a lot of work to do

18:09:59 Duffer1: indeed

18:10:03 mircea_popescu: not like ima send czech vixens to pick up the slaughters or w/e

18:10:54 mircea_popescu: and im sure mpoe-pr would love nothing more than the equivalent of civ's "our words are backed by nuclear weapons" pasted in her sigline

18:11:11 asciilifeform: lol

18:11:54 mircea_popescu: so it doesn't *have* to be all enmitous and shit.

18:13:15 Duffer1: I wonder if they need a consultant, I accept bitcoin

18:13:20 Duffer1: and lambos

18:13:53 ThickAsThieves: theyll have lambos to unload after they get through all the exchanges i guess

18:15:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54150 @ 0.00086904 = 47.0585 BTC [+] {3}

18:15:20 Duffer1: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=490781.0

18:15:21 ozbot: Mircea Popescu aka Crumbs & others

18:15:59 nubbins`: i guess he wrote that in a text editor and then pasted it, hey?

18:17:35 diametric: more of this guy

18:17:47 diametric: we should try to convince him we're all popescu

18:18:00 diametric: this channel is nothing but popescu, all day, errday.

18:18:07 mircea_popescu: it isn't ?

18:18:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.55 BTC [+]

18:18:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 30 @ 0.00492006 = 0.1476 BTC [-]

18:18:23 mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=490781.msg5409053#msg5409053

18:18:25 mircea_popescu: lmao

18:18:25 ozbot: Mircea Popescu aka Crumbs & others

18:18:36 mircea_popescu: for they too young to get the reference : rarity was a notorious troll in 2011

18:19:00 mircea_popescu: also happened to be either posing as or actually an underage fellow

18:19:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00492005 = 0.492 BTC [-] {6}

18:19:14 mircea_popescu: ended up publishing really dubious pms from i forget who the fuck

18:19:34 mircea_popescu: but this was just at the peak of bruce wagner's thai prostitution stuff

18:19:47 mircea_popescu: am i the only one here old enough to remember all this ancient history ?

18:20:43 Duffer1: sorry i've only been around since july ish

18:21:05 mircea_popescu: this is 2010-2011 stuffd

18:21:17 mircea_popescu: so there was this guy by the name of bruce wagner, the original bitcoin jesus.

18:21:30 mircea_popescu: he was a bit of a pedo, and ran his own tv show out of some ny studio

18:21:35 mircea_popescu: studio as in, apartment.

18:21:44 mircea_popescu: together with his mentally retarded boyfriend

18:21:56 mircea_popescu: mentally retarded to the degree he filmed entire episodes of their show with the camera in demo mode

18:22:12 mircea_popescu: just in case you ever wondered how bitcoin got the early reputation of being a toy for the tards.

18:22:22 mircea_popescu: that show was called the bitcoin show.

18:22:35 mircea_popescu: and the original bitcoin jesus recommended quite strongly a wallet service called mybitcoin

18:22:42 mircea_popescu: which ran off with whatever, 500k btc ? something.

18:22:56 mircea_popescu: http://buttcoin.org/the-fucked-up-people-of-bitcoin-and-bruce-wagners-predictable-thoughts-on-rape

18:22:57 ozbot: The fucked up people of bitcoin and Bruce Wagner's (predictable) thoughts on rape. - Buttcoin - The

18:23:10 mircea_popescu: butccoin is actually a good entry point for that old drama.

18:23:16 asciilifeform: so, where's that coin now?

18:23:25 mircea_popescu: well... possibly in thailand.

18:23:28 asciilifeform: if unspent, sort of speaks against the 'no such thing as taint' hypothesis

18:23:37 kakobrekla: it ended up on gox

18:23:38 mircea_popescu: the most sordid part of all of it being that the guy wanted to organise bitcoin's first conference in thailand

18:23:45 mircea_popescu: because child prostitutes are cheap there

18:24:05 mircea_popescu: it was later unearthed he had an entire opus written about being a gay whore and whatnot.

18:24:11 mircea_popescu: obviously nobody went, but still.

18:24:33 kakobrekla: yes that show was as terrible as it gets, sponsored by mtgox.

18:24:45 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla it WAS sponsored by mtgox wasn't it

18:24:49 kakobrekla: yes

18:24:55 mircea_popescu: yeah it's now coming back to me

18:25:54 mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVabnqRj_8I << sample.

18:25:54 ozbot: The Bitcoin Show - Episode 012 - YouTube

18:26:29 mircea_popescu: anyway, this was somehow related to getting some poor schmucks to take bitcoin for their grill in new york

18:26:33 mircea_popescu: the shop went under.

18:26:53 mircea_popescu: it also is related to gmaxwell's fat girlfriend breaking a segway or was it amir taaki that broke the segway or what the fuck was that

18:27:34 kakobrekla: aha tradehill also sponsored them

18:27:42 kakobrekla: at least the linked ep.

18:28:16 kakobrekla: i guess gox gave up by ep 12

18:28:35 asciilifeform: reminds me of an incident, many years ago, when i snarfed what what supposed to be a warez copy of a text on the programming language 'ruby'. turned out to be renamed 'ruby.avi', a cheap porn, entitled 'Ruby Breaks her Sybian.'

18:28:51 mircea_popescu: carpevm ahahaha

18:29:15 mircea_popescu: jesus fuckwit cant even use his butterfly mic

18:29:44 mircea_popescu: mezegrill that was it yea

18:30:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31200 @ 0.00086263 = 26.9141 BTC [-] {2}

18:30:38 kakobrekla: o fuck me

18:30:46 mircea_popescu: noty

18:30:52 kakobrekla: i checked ep 1, no gox, ep 31, gox is sponsor

18:31:03 mircea_popescu: lol true professionals, tradehill.

18:31:11 kakobrekla: they sponsored him after they saw how shitty it is.

18:31:13 mircea_popescu: ahh such a lol this pseudocurrency thing

18:31:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.1035 = 0.414 BTC [-]

18:31:25 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla they figured... hey, perfect fit

18:31:29 kakobrekla: :D

18:33:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18250 @ 0.00086262 = 15.7428 BTC [-]

18:34:55 benkay: retail shops only start taking bitcoin when they're already circling the drain.

18:35:09 benkay: same story with the local 'bitcoin meetup' and its location.

18:35:33 nubbins`: KofC?

18:35:55 benkay: nubbins`: wat

18:36:34 mircea_popescu: benkay this is possible an explanation for the grill thing's fate sure

18:36:47 nubbins`: knights of columbus

18:36:54 mircea_popescu: 2,111 views check that shit out.

18:36:55 nubbins`: like the legion, but different somehow

18:37:09 mircea_popescu: anyway, this guy is sort-of like what max keiser aspires to be

18:40:20 mircea_popescu: "Bitcoin's scam based economy runs on 15-35 year old white men who are very very upset about... The fed? Government regulation? Their crippling inability to purchase mercenary divisions to conquer small countries?"

18:40:21 mircea_popescu: ahaha

18:40:38 mircea_popescu: i kinda miss the old days

18:41:49 mircea_popescu: yayaya!

18:41:54 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla check it out : http://onlyonetv.com/

18:42:02 mircea_popescu: their last show is the shtylman show!

18:42:10 kakobrekla: o roman

18:42:15 ThickAsThieves: REMINDER: AM1, AM100, and the SMG passthrough will all be controlled by Havelock by March 1st, 2014. The underlying ASICMINER shares are already in the process of being transferred to 1J5fvfUrDcZj8rrpVHMgn8u7sXee84QkPd --- AMFund@havelockinvestments.com --- All AM1,AM100, and SMG(PT) transfer requests and related support requests should be sent to the Havelock from now on.

18:42:24 mircea_popescu: (for the people joining us late, shtylman was some geek who created the bitfloor disaster)

18:42:27 mircea_popescu: worth a read.

18:42:42 nubbins`: so a friend of mine works at a pharmacy

18:42:49 nubbins`: there's a big shortage of ritalin in canada right now

18:43:17 nubbins`: friend says work is "interesting" these days

18:43:35 mircea_popescu: aha ?

18:44:15 nubbins`: lots of strung-out freaks causing trouble

18:44:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 26 @ 0.00504999 = 0.1313 BTC [+]

18:44:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 900 @ 0.00018494 = 0.1664 BTC [-] {4}

18:44:42 nubbins`: apparently certain brands are better than others for snorting

18:44:51 mircea_popescu: people use ritalin as cocaine />

18:45:13 nubbins`: yyyyyyyup.

18:45:19 mircea_popescu: but... why

18:45:29 mircea_popescu: "Due to the real identity of these troll accounts belonging to Mircea Popescu and how close he believes himself to be to the higher echelons of Bitcoin including the Mods/Admins of this forum, i don't believe this post to last long."

18:45:45 mircea_popescu: ok, did i snort too much or is this a little... strange ?

18:46:08 mircea_popescu: is the theory therein contemplated that the post won't last long because of how close I BELIEVE myself to the higher echelons blabla ?

18:46:11 nubbins`: guy definitely thinks monsters lurk in the shadows

18:46:21 nubbins`: regarding the "why" of snorting rits, it's because they're cheap as fuck

18:46:25 mircea_popescu: but i mean... either i believe myself in which case the post is unmolested

18:46:32 mircea_popescu: or else i actually am in which case the post won't last long

18:46:35 ThickAsThieves: he thinks youre thermos too

18:46:49 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves maybe he thinks i believe i'm thermos.

18:46:58 nubbins`: ritalin is one of the most abused prescription drugs in north america

18:47:12 mircea_popescu: nubbins` but it doesn't do anything

18:47:17 nubbins`: ...?

18:47:21 mircea_popescu: what the fuck does it do ?

18:47:31 nubbins`: it lights you up like a fucking christmas tree.

18:47:43 mircea_popescu: isn't it a depressant /

18:47:49 nubbins`: no, it's a stimulant

18:47:59 mircea_popescu: wh ythe fuck do they give aggitated kids stimulants ?!

18:48:10 nubbins`: calms kids down because it stimulates the part of their brain that makes them sit still

18:48:15 ThickAsThieves: it's how they do

18:48:21 ThickAsThieves: give hyper kids cocaine

18:48:30 nubbins`: when you snort it, tho, it makes lasers shoot out your eyes

18:48:30 mircea_popescu: uh

18:48:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 62 @ 0.00500104 = 0.3101 BTC [-] {3}

18:48:55 nubbins`: well. i should say, it stimulates the part of their brain that makes them pay attention

18:49:05 mircea_popescu: o i c it's a substitute phenethylamine

18:49:11 nubbins`: nod

18:49:21 asciilifeform: https://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/vw3d/vw3d.cgi?cmd=crtvw&reqid=1775455900212504529

18:49:22 ozbot: CID 4158 Conformer

18:49:26 asciilifeform: vs

18:49:26 asciilifeform: https://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/vw3d/vw3d.cgi?cmd=status&reqid=92713312008789119

18:49:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00500104 = 0.2 BTC [-]

18:50:07 mircea_popescu: so basically this is the gist of my anti-drug argument.

18:50:37 asciilifeform: just about any fast-acting dopamine reuptake inhibitor can substitute for cocaine

18:50:39 mircea_popescu: i see they want to give it to everyone. good for criminals, good for students, good to go.

18:51:10 mircea_popescu: basically... if you can you must. the us will include ritalin in water if it doesn't fucking collapse first.

18:51:29 ThickAsThieves: oh snap!

18:51:30 ThickAsThieves: http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/02/27/yellen-on-bitcoin-fed-doesnt-have-authority-to-regulate-it-in-any-way/

18:51:31 ozbot: Yellen on Bitcoin: Fed Doesn’t Have Authority to Regulate It in Any Way - MoneyBeat - WSJ

18:51:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.058202 = 0.1164 BTC [-]

18:51:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1300 @ 0.005001 = 6.5013 BTC [-]

18:51:48 mircea_popescu: "Animal tests found that rats given methylphenidate grew up to be more stressed and emotional. "

18:51:49 mircea_popescu: perfect.

18:51:55 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves we were discussing it earlier :D

18:52:01 ThickAsThieves: oh sorry

18:52:03 nubbins`: certain brands of ritalin are apparently better for snorting than others; the tell-tale sign of abuse is when a customer at the pharmacy asks what brand of ritalin they carry

18:52:15 ThickAsThieves: htought there's be more hype

18:52:18 nubbins`: occasionally, but not often, it's accompanied by a story about how such-and-such a brand gives them a rash, etc

18:52:21 asciilifeform: somebody teach these folks to dissolve & recrystallize.

18:52:24 ThickAsThieves: fuck is wrong with my brain

18:52:32 ThickAsThieves: i type like i have wires crossed

18:52:39 nubbins`: ThickAsThieves try ritalin

18:52:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 45 @ 0.51493367 = 23.172 BTC [-] {14}

18:52:44 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform too much like work.

18:52:58 mircea_popescu: wait wait, "I have been paid by a member of this board and high value shareholder within the NeoBee security."

18:53:04 nubbins`: ^ lel

18:53:07 nubbins`: ikr?

18:53:16 ThickAsThieves: it wasnt me!

18:53:20 mircea_popescu: lmao

18:53:28 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves well then that's everyone.

18:53:29 asciilifeform: phun phact: in the late '80s-early '90s, ussr had a meth problem - but most of the users brewed their own

18:53:33 nubbins`: smear campaign from topace

18:53:34 asciilifeform: because people had actual education

18:53:34 nubbins`: ;p

18:53:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 176 @ 0.00057298 = 0.1008 BTC [+]

18:53:47 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform now the ussr has a krakadil problem

18:53:51 ThickAsThieves: how do you put a shareholder in a security anyway?

18:53:51 mircea_popescu: because they don't.

18:53:57 nubbins`: mp, +1

18:54:22 nubbins`: what this boils down to is that a well-educated populace is a populace that abuses high quality drugs

18:54:37 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: famous autobio. take on the subject, 'Низший Пилотаж' (http://lib.ru/ZHURNAL/pilotazh.txt)

18:54:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.058202 = 0.1164 BTC [-]

18:55:09 asciilifeform: 'Lowest Pilotage' (pun on russian expression 'highest pilotage', meaning a trick performed by a true master of some craft)

18:55:50 mircea_popescu: i think i was at some performance of this thing

18:56:06 asciilifeform: performance?!

18:56:12 mircea_popescu: yaya.

18:56:18 mircea_popescu: this was like fashionable for a summer cca 2003

18:56:21 mircea_popescu: in romania

18:56:34 mircea_popescu: you know how middle class bitches get

18:56:38 mircea_popescu: all cultural and whatnot.

18:57:11 asciilifeform: cultural!?

18:57:14 asciilifeform: woah

18:57:21 mircea_popescu: totally.

18:57:57 BingoBoingo: http://www.theangrypharmacist.com/archives/2014/02/purpocylpse.html

18:57:58 ozbot: The Angry Pharmacist » Blog Archive » Purpocylpse

18:58:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.00086663 = 17.3326 BTC [+]

18:58:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 25 @ 0.005 = 0.125 BTC [-] {2}

18:59:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 247 @ 0.00500103 = 1.2353 BTC [+] {2}

19:00:19 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: interesting 'cattle management' perspective there.

19:00:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28400 @ 0.00086866 = 24.6699 BTC [+]

19:01:27 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Indeed. However now will the ratchets get their crunk on.

19:01:43 ThickAsThieves: who's fawn in here moiety?

19:02:02 Duffer1: he talks like mircea

19:03:22 mircea_popescu: http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2010/11/the_terrible_awful_truth_about_1.html

19:03:23 ozbot: The Last Psychiatrist: The Terrible, Awful Truth About Supplemental Security Income

19:03:32 mircea_popescu: probably worth a read since we're on it

19:04:02 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves moiety is some scottish chick. what fawn ?

19:04:42 ThickAsThieves: i could swear i saw her handle switch from Fawn once

19:04:51 ThickAsThieves: but my brain is glitchy

19:05:13 Duffer1: "This is why you can't have nice things. Ever." maybe PR? lol

19:05:16 ThickAsThieves: fawn is someone posting lately in threads relevent to us

19:05:34 mircea_popescu: what is this sorcery

19:06:04 ThickAsThieves: thats what i'm trying to suss

19:06:17 Duffer1: the person you linked with the Rarities ref

19:06:37 BingoBoingo: http://www.theangrypharmacist.com/archives/2013/10/somabots-transform.html

19:06:38 ozbot: The Angry Pharmacist » Blog Archive » SOMABOTS, TRANSFORM

19:06:59 mircea_popescu: Prometh with Codeine will no longer taste like ghettofab syrupy purple, it will taste like how all cough syrups should taste, like goat anus. They aren?t meant to fucking mix with Sprite and enjoyed after a long night of fucking your bitches and collecting taxpayer-funded benefits; they are meant to be choked down because you?ll do anything to get rid of that fucking cough.

19:07:00 mircea_popescu: loller

19:07:26 ThickAsThieves: dick

19:08:46 mircea_popescu: it is what it is, innit ?

19:08:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 321 @ 0.005 = 1.605 BTC [-]

19:10:06 nubbins`: it's true, cough syrups should taste like goat anus

19:10:09 ThickAsThieves: i just realized something awesome, next week i will never have to read the Asicminer threads again

19:11:09 nubbins`: phun phact: DXM is just as effective in pill form as it is in syrup form, and pills don't taste like goat anus; syrups are popular because people feel that having their throat coated with the shit means it works better

19:11:36 mircea_popescu: "One of these is Soma. The drug we all know and love. The other is a drug called Meprobamate also known as Miltown/Equanil for those of you who are close to retiring. See a similarity? Are you old guys out there chuckling? "

19:11:47 mircea_popescu: actually...that's what my mother got when she had ulcers in her 30s

19:11:57 mircea_popescu: it actually cured her.

19:13:23 thestringpuller: lol bitcoin-assets on sizzurp

19:13:37 thestringpuller: benkay got dat drink in his cup

19:17:13 ThickAsThieves: anyone can help me with syntax for pympex to transfer shares?

19:18:18 mircea_popescu: PUSH|X.YZ|123GPGKEY|100

19:18:48 ThickAsThieves: thx

19:20:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 371 @ 0.005 = 1.855 BTC [-] {2}

19:20:57 ThickAsThieves: nope

19:21:15 ThickAsThieves: unknown coman 'oush'

19:21:18 ThickAsThieves: push

19:22:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 25 @ 0.005 = 0.125 BTC [-]

19:23:37 ThickAsThieves: hmm i see a 'plain' command for sending strings as is

19:24:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00500102 = 0.2 BTC [+] {2}

19:25:16 nubbins`: better test it first ;D

19:25:45 ThickAsThieves: didnt work

19:25:56 ThickAsThieves: i'll get my friend to help i guess

19:27:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 400 @ 0.00501 = 2.004 BTC [+]

19:28:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 20 @ 0.00501 = 0.1002 BTC [+]

19:29:30 jurov: ThickAsThieves: it should be uppercase

19:29:45 ThickAsThieves: nope

19:29:52 ThickAsThieves: mpex PUSH

19:30:04 ThickAsThieves: uknown command

19:30:46 jurov: can you show whole commandline (with redacted data if needed)

19:30:49 jurov: ?

19:33:12 ThickAsThieves: normally the syntax is such

19:33:15 ThickAsThieves: mpex stat

19:33:28 ThickAsThieves: mpex withdraw addy amount

19:33:30 ThickAsThieves: etc

19:33:39 ThickAsThieves: just spaces between parameters

19:33:43 jurov: NOPE

19:33:54 ThickAsThieves: maybe i'm not using pympex?

19:34:16 ThickAsThieves: it's a linux console

19:34:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40515 @ 0.00086179 = 34.9154 BTC [-] {3}

19:34:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.0055 = 0.275 BTC

19:34:25 ThickAsThieves: my partner set up for me

19:34:41 ThickAsThieves: "To change default settings edit ~/.mpex/config.yaml"

19:34:57 jurov: ah that isn't pympex

19:35:20 ThickAsThieves: someone here made it

19:35:21 jurov: did you try passing 'PUSH|X.YZ|123GPGKEY|100' as parameter ?

19:35:27 ThickAsThieves: i forget who

19:35:31 ThickAsThieves: i did

19:35:38 jurov: note the quotes, wont work without

19:35:40 mircea_popescu: this has been quite customer-support-y so far.

19:35:45 mircea_popescu: have you tried turning it off and on again ?

19:35:49 ThickAsThieves: hehe

19:35:59 ThickAsThieves: the commands i normally use work fine

19:36:05 ThickAsThieves: just never did a xfer before

19:36:10 mircea_popescu: maybe your thing doesn't have push implemented ?

19:36:18 ThickAsThieves: looks that way

19:36:34 jurov: maybe they have high sekurity and it's not allowed

19:36:45 mircea_popescu: i could see a case for disabling push

19:36:59 mircea_popescu: for a specialist implementation

19:37:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00501 = 0.2004 BTC [-]

19:38:26 cads: I wish I had access to shapeways' production statistics

19:38:37 cads: I can't imagine this part will have sold much: https://www.shapeways.com/model/1496035/doge.html?li=productGroup&materialId=26

19:39:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 140 @ 0.005 = 0.7 BTC [-]

19:39:31 ThickAsThieves: http://www.shapeways.com/model/1567569/banana-doge.html?li=related-items-ext&materialId=26

19:39:32 ozbot: Banana Doge by kspaho on Shapeways

19:39:43 ThickAsThieves: dildoge

19:39:52 Duffer1: http://www.businessinsider.com/yellen-on-bitcoin-2014-2

19:39:53 ozbot: Yellen On Bitcoin - Business Insider

19:40:02 Duffer1: dexX7 ^

19:40:17 ThickAsThieves: yer even later than me

19:40:38 mircea_popescu: lol the later festival.

19:42:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 44 @ 0.005 = 0.22 BTC [-]

19:43:06 dexX7: well done @ yellen hearing

19:43:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 8 @ 0.16230094 = 1.2984 BTC [-]

19:43:39 dexX7: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ui7VDnU99fg oh wow ... lol

19:43:39 ozbot: Banana Doge 3D-Print - YouTube

19:55:58 greenspan_fan: hey are we talking about command line programming

19:56:17 greenspan_fan: here's a great way to solve version control problems

19:56:28 greenspan_fan: git add -A;git commit -m "YOLO"; git push origin master --force

19:58:11 mircea_popescu: this is all proprietary finance shit

19:58:23 mircea_popescu: it never saw the inside of a git

19:58:34 greenspan_fan: you don't use version control?

19:58:54 greenspan_fan: also I'm kidding, the above kinda defeats the purpose of git

19:59:41 mircea_popescu: not me, it's his thing

20:00:46 greenspan_fan: looks like pympex is open source? It's on github, if that's the right one

20:00:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 692 @ 0.0005149 = 0.3563 BTC [-] {9}

20:00:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 102 @ 0.005 = 0.51 BTC [-]

20:00:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6235 @ 0.00086051 = 5.3653 BTC [-]

20:01:04 mircea_popescu: i thought we just established it ain't.

20:01:55 mircea_popescu: I'm guessing that this probably upsets people, on both sides of an imaginary political divide that only took 40 years to perfect. Thanks TV! Certainly I have my own opinions, but it doesn't matter what I think, what matters is what is. This is the system. If you think you can effect a huge social overhaul then feel free to vote for Hope And Change and ongoing Afghanistan deployments, otherwise understand how it

20:01:55 mircea_popescu: works before you spew nonsense to your local Fox affiliate. "Hi, this is Bill from Cleveland, and I blame liberals." Son of a bitch, why didn't I think of that.

20:01:55 mircea_popescu: The system not only pays poor people, it employs lots and lots of almost poor people. I'm not saying this is a good thing, or a desirable thing, I am simply stating a fact. Some of these are direct government jobs (e.g. staff down at the SSI office) and some are pretend private sector jobs. If you're a psychiatrist at an inner city clinic, you may think you're an independent contractor, but you're really working for Th

20:01:59 mircea_popescu: e Man (but with no pension.) That's the system. Cut SSI payments and those docs-- and nurses and etc-- don't get paid.

20:02:02 mircea_popescu: ok i love this article/author.

20:02:23 asciilifeform: last psych?

20:02:27 asciilifeform: this one's a classic

20:02:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 67 @ 0.00529 = 0.3544 BTC [+]

20:03:17 mircea_popescu: indeed.

20:03:28 greenspan_fan: kinda disturbed to find out all of you read TLP as well...

20:03:41 mircea_popescu: i actually translated it in romanian cca 2011 so as to equip teh countrymen with t\he tool

20:03:50 mircea_popescu: course with or without that the system's movin' that way

20:03:54 asciilifeform: incidentally, if you apply the principle described above, the u.s. economy is far more 'sovietized' than the soviet one ever was

20:04:03 mircea_popescu: this is true, but unindicative.

20:04:19 mircea_popescu: the road was a lot wetter during rain than during drought, too.

20:04:27 greenspan_fan: http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2011/10/you_are_the_98.html

20:04:28 ozbot: The Last Psychiatrist: You Are The 98%

20:04:37 greenspan_fan: my favourite one

20:04:38 mircea_popescu: soviets couldn't have fucking done it for lack of you know, tv. internet. roads. stuff.

20:04:55 mircea_popescu: greenspan_fan you know what this has a lot in common with ?

20:04:57 mircea_popescu: early bbs.

20:05:13 mircea_popescu: people suddenly discovering that joe=from-across-the-country also read hitchhiker's

20:05:19 mircea_popescu: and also heard of chtulhu

20:05:25 mircea_popescu: fancy that!

20:05:31 greenspan_fan: that's garbage stuff though

20:05:47 mircea_popescu: culture is garbage.

20:05:51 greenspan_fan: no one reads anymore, and yet here you all are

20:05:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.10459 BTC [+]

20:06:44 greenspan_fan: like, everyone here is more or less interested (and able to understand) all of the great stuff in the world

20:06:51 mircea_popescu: dun dun dun

20:06:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.1046 = 0.4184 BTC [+]

20:07:00 greenspan_fan: it's blowing my mind, bro

20:07:06 mircea_popescu: "The government allows it because someone has to deal with those "patients." The government doesn't any other options. "

20:07:25 greenspan_fan: http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2011/07/my_name_is_michael_bay_and_i_j.html

20:07:26 ozbot: The Last Psychiatrist: My name is NotMichaelBay, and I just fucked your girlfriend

20:07:44 greenspan_fan: http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2009/08/district_9.html

20:07:45 ozbot: The Last Psychiatrist: District 9

20:07:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 61 @ 0.00529 = 0.3227 BTC [+]

20:08:11 greenspan_fan: on the off chance you haven't read those particular ones

20:08:42 greenspan_fan: "So I decided to try again, I told myself that there was going to be porn at the end of it, took off my pants, and watched. No, I didn't go back to the theatre; fortunately, the major studios have joined together and created a website called "The Pirate Bay" which allows you to watch a movie for free before you decide if you want to buy it from Amazon for 4 bucks"

20:09:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.54999989 BTC [+]

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20:11:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.54999989 = 1.65 BTC [+]

20:12:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 65 @ 0.005 = 0.325 BTC [-]

20:18:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 15 @ 0.54999993 = 8.25 BTC [+] {2}

20:19:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.005 = 0.25 BTC [-]

20:19:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.11730497 BTC [+]

20:19:43 mircea_popescu: "Marching gets our message out." No it doesn't, it gets CNN's message out. "We don't watch CNN, we use the internet." Yet given the infinity of the internet you still surf the same 5 websites, looking for and finding exactly what you want, like a baby playing peekaboo in a mirror over and over and over and over and over and over and...

20:19:44 mircea_popescu: ejhehe

20:19:55 mircea_popescu: You are the 98%, you are totally without any access to the machinery of power and worse, much worse, you plug yourselves into the machinery of media and become a slave.

20:20:13 mircea_popescu: see, many aspire to be a bitcoin jesus, but this guy actually has enough insight.

20:20:37 greenspan_fan: "you are the 98%, and you are too slow"

20:20:54 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: herr handle and some others insist that TLP is a woman.

20:21:53 greenspan_fan: you can either have the most money or you can have the loudest megaphone, but if you don't have one one of those then it doesn't matter what you think

20:22:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 149 @ 0.005 = 0.745 BTC [-]

20:23:41 greenspan_fan: what's interesting (and Taleb hits on this as well) is that people are generally really poor at evaluating power-law types of extremes

20:23:59 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it may be the case.

20:24:05 mircea_popescu: any basis offered ?

20:24:36 asciilifeform: wish i could remember

20:24:36 greenspan_fan: so for instance in bitcoin (and other currency) you can look to r/bitcoin for a community that is generally really homogeneous and has strong beliefs one way or the other

20:25:03 greenspan_fan: but it's irrelevant because most of the money isn't in the hands of those people

20:25:15 asciilifeform: personally i suspect that TLP is a bourbaki.

20:25:23 mircea_popescu: greenspan_fan nor is any megaphone.

20:25:25 greenspan_fan: the writing style's too consistent

20:26:05 mircea_popescu: that's not necessarily an argument.

20:26:15 greenspan_fan: mircea_popescu well the very top opinion leaders have *some* power, but the average is in that 98%

20:26:29 asciilifeform: for all i care, tlp is a martian.

20:26:41 mircea_popescu: greenspan_fan what ?

20:28:03 greenspan_fan: mircea_popescu because if the self-appointed "bitcoin community" listens to you (even if they're on average <0.1 btc holders) then you might either get lucky and a) influence someone who actually matters or b) the huddled masses still might add up to something

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20:28:20 greenspan_fan: c.f. alinsky's rules for radicals

20:28:58 mircea_popescu: the huddled masses add up to something ? why and wherefore ?

20:29:37 mircea_popescu: do you mean add up to something in terms of resources, like a lot of coal or plankton adds up to something more than less coal or plankton ?

20:29:45 mircea_popescu: or do you mean in terms of agency ?

20:30:36 Duffer1: be both - soylent green

20:31:51 greenspan_fan: yeah, in terms of resources, not in terms of agency

20:32:03 greenspan_fan: because you wouldn't be part of that mass if you had real agency

20:32:09 mircea_popescu: well in terms of resources who te fuck cares.

20:32:17 greenspan_fan: "Everyone who gives himself a master was born to have one"

20:32:20 mircea_popescu: if i don't find the coal over here i'll find it over there

20:32:27 mircea_popescu: that's what the fucking coal finder machine is for : it finds coal.

20:33:06 mircea_popescu: the coal mined is not a stakeholder in the coal mine.

20:33:13 greenspan_fan: yeah but I mean, people are more effective than that

20:33:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.55899999 = 1.118 BTC [+] {2}

20:33:24 greenspan_fan: they can be put to different efforts

20:33:31 mircea_popescu: are you going to try and resurect an argument as to agency underneath there ?

20:33:35 asciilifeform: if coal knew how to talk!

20:33:36 greenspan_fan: nope

20:33:36 mircea_popescu: what's this, trojan arguing ?

20:33:48 mircea_popescu: if no agency, then no efficiency.

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20:34:28 greenspan_fan: just saying that if you have 1000 average people who listen to you, but no money, you'd still be able to run a business or take over a small county with them

20:34:43 mircea_popescu: yeah, it totally worked for mtgox

20:34:45 mircea_popescu: and for bitfloor

20:34:48 mircea_popescu: and for glbse

20:34:49 mircea_popescu: and etc

20:35:00 greenspan_fan: well I mean agency in the "standing athwart the bow of history" levels of agency

20:35:09 greenspan_fan: the problem with those places is they were run by idiots

20:35:12 mircea_popescu: "agency" is a term of art.

20:35:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.56 BTC [+]

20:35:26 mircea_popescu: well... apparently the coal didn't rescue them.

20:35:57 greenspan_fan: like presumably you're able to gauge the relative strengths and weaknesses of the people who work for you, right?

20:36:15 mircea_popescu: i don't employ idiots.

20:36:21 greenspan_fan: still

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20:36:26 mircea_popescu: no still. i really don't.

20:36:52 greenspan_fan: so you're saying that everyone who works for you is universally equally good at everything

20:37:04 mircea_popescu: no, but they are capable of making their own fucking judgements.

20:37:18 greenspan_fan: yeah, I'm not saying everyone should be an automaton

20:37:35 mircea_popescu: you are, yes.

20:38:00 mircea_popescu: "if you have 1000 average people [...] take over a small county "

20:38:05 mircea_popescu: this isnt starcraft.

20:38:28 greenspan_fan: look at the history of the world

20:38:36 mircea_popescu: ok.

20:38:40 mircea_popescu: http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m79o09GAwT1qci6pfo1_500.jpg

20:38:48 greenspan_fan: how many revolutions were launched because 1000 people agreed with the analysis of someone else?

20:38:52 mircea_popescu: none.

20:39:05 greenspan_fan: that seems like an insane position to take

20:39:11 mircea_popescu: but plenty of retellings of history of the world in english have been predicated on the cognitive device you describe.

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20:39:37 greenspan_fan: it's true, I've only read books on history in english

20:39:39 mircea_popescu: just because i use some matrices to describe eigenstates does not mean matrices are now integral parts of quantum mechanbics.

20:39:56 mircea_popescu: in fact, matrices aren't even there. and besides they could never be small enough to fit.

20:40:01 greenspan_fan: weren't you arguing the other day that they're still there regardless?

20:40:08 mircea_popescu: who they

20:40:19 greenspan_fan: the matrices, as a form of description

20:40:28 mircea_popescu: sure, but a different "there"

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20:41:32 greenspan_fan: so what I'm saying is that having 1000 people who listened to leaders was a necessary (but not sufficient) condition to launch some revolutions

20:41:40 mircea_popescu: the entire view is broken.

20:41:45 greenspan_fan: how so?

20:41:53 mircea_popescu: pretty much every which way.

20:42:09 greenspan_fan: tell me, and I'll strive to correct it, insofar as such is possible

20:42:16 mircea_popescu: for instance, there are people right here working for me as we speak and probably reading this. i have no fucking idea where their working for me is going,

20:42:19 mircea_popescu: and i don't particularly care.

20:42:24 mircea_popescu: wherever it ends up youl

20:42:30 mircea_popescu: l expost facto call it "a revolution"

20:42:42 mircea_popescu: and predicate a retrospective causality that never existed.

20:42:46 greenspan_fan: maybe it was an overdramatic example

20:42:51 mircea_popescu: maybe.

20:43:48 greenspan_fan: (to make an analogy w/ physics once again) leadership is like a drift velocity for particles undergoing brownian motion

20:43:55 mircea_popescu: no, it's not

20:44:07 mircea_popescu: because particles are a piss poor stand-in for people.

20:44:14 greenspan_fan: it's an analogy

20:44:27 mircea_popescu: well it's a degeneratology at best.

20:44:46 greenspan_fan: obviously people have their own directions and goals etc.

20:44:51 mircea_popescu: well so then ?!

20:45:15 mircea_popescu: "suppose this brick is a boat. obviously actual boats actually float, but nevertheless.

20:45:20 mircea_popescu: see how the brick sinks ?"

20:45:30 greenspan_fan: but that can be biased (and occasionally is) by the people around them; those they look up to, those they get paid by, people on the news, etc.

20:45:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.11730497 BTC [+]

20:45:42 mircea_popescu: so you like to think.

20:45:52 mircea_popescu: inasmuch as you don't draw any inference from it, you may continue to think so.

20:45:56 greenspan_fan: so I have observed

20:46:03 mircea_popescu: right.

20:47:10 greenspan_fan: to bring it back to my understanding of TLP's point, it's that society's "power" (in some loosely defined sense) is distributed according to a power law

20:47:17 greenspan_fan: and in fact, it's a decent enough model

20:47:52 mircea_popescu: statistically.

20:47:58 mircea_popescu: once you try to particularize it it breaks down

20:48:20 greenspan_fan: the people with the most influence are either those w/ the most resources themselves, or those who can mobilize the resources of lots of other people

20:48:39 greenspan_fan: to a first approximation, more or less

20:48:47 mircea_popescu: i see no value in this approximation.

20:48:51 mircea_popescu: it's about as good as holy water.

20:49:12 greenspan_fan: yet you seem to draw the same conclusions that it does

20:49:14 mircea_popescu: max keiser was not actually able to create an altcoin as successful as tat's.

20:50:21 mircea_popescu: philippe egalite didn't end up the head of the french republic. napoleon did.

20:50:24 Duffer1: define success - he successfully scammed a lot of people, TaT didn't

20:50:53 mircea_popescu: Duffer1 kinda dubious anyone other than him actually paid it any mind.

20:51:13 greenspan_fan: And wasn't it barras who was jockeying for position w/ napoleon?

20:51:16 Duffer1: bagholders have been cryin about it for days on mcxnow

20:51:42 mircea_popescu: greenspan_fan you could make a list of 1k names, but the point remains, the king's cousin was actually placed well enough to displace the monarchy.

20:51:43 wbaw: and didn't napoleon lose?

20:51:52 greenspan_fan: But of course Napoleon won because he was an extremely effective leader of a particularly important part of society

20:51:56 mircea_popescu: which he did.

20:51:56 greenspan_fan: not til 1815

20:52:13 greenspan_fan: that's like 20 years of reshaping europe right there

20:52:32 mircea_popescu: greenspan_fan do you understand the difference between saying "she fucked me because she loves me" in the morning vs saying "she will fuck me because she loves me" in the evening ?

20:52:40 wbaw: there have been longer lived empires

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20:52:59 greenspan_fan: wbaw but he was one corsican nobody! that's what was spectacular about it

20:53:19 greenspan_fan: mircea_popescu one's a prediction, one's a post-hoc explanation?

20:53:23 mircea_popescu: right.

20:53:39 mircea_popescu: she maybe fucked you because she was drunk, or because she was getting desperate, or for any reason.

20:53:43 mircea_popescu: but these are reasons.

20:53:56 mircea_popescu: she will fuck you for a cause, whatever it may be, even if it is drunkedness or desperation.

20:53:56 greenspan_fan: stipulated

20:54:04 mircea_popescu: but causes and reasons never met and never will meet.

20:54:45 greenspan_fan: "I can calculate the movements of the stars and planets, but not the madness of men"

20:55:00 mircea_popescu: right. the foremost fallacy bred into children by a slappy introduction of the scientific method

20:55:12 mircea_popescu: is the equivocation between causes and reasons. causality only exists in prospect.

20:55:30 mircea_popescu: there's no retrospective causality, retrospectively speaking all you have are explanations.

20:55:32 greenspan_fan: mircea_popescu I don't really understand that, though. Are you saying that human decisions are too complicated to analyze after the fact?

20:55:37 mircea_popescu: no.

20:55:42 mircea_popescu: humanity doesn't enter into it.

20:55:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 83 @ 0.00496599 = 0.4122 BTC [-] {2}

20:56:34 greenspan_fan: But if I say "she fucked me because she loved me", and proceed to test that hypothesis, do I not either increase or decrease my confidence in it?

20:56:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 45 @ 0.00490003 = 0.2205 BTC [-] {2}

20:56:47 mircea_popescu: so what of it ?

20:57:03 greenspan_fan: then causes and reasons can meet?

20:57:17 mircea_popescu: in your confidence ?

20:57:30 mircea_popescu: any nonsense can meet in your head, that doesn't matter all that much.

20:57:44 greenspan_fan: but I can model it using math

20:57:48 mircea_popescu: you could probably have portia de rossi meet jesus if you strain a little.

20:57:52 mircea_popescu: surely.

20:57:57 mircea_popescu: math can be used to any purpose

20:58:11 mircea_popescu: that's what makes it so useful.

20:58:32 greenspan_fan: this just seems like you're recapitulating bishop berkeley

20:58:58 mircea_popescu: uh.

20:59:14 greenspan_fan: that reality only exists in the minds of the observers

20:59:20 mircea_popescu: i never said that.

20:59:30 mircea_popescu: apparently you came up with it trying to cope ?

20:59:36 greenspan_fan: no, I am trying to understand

20:59:45 mircea_popescu: im not saying reality doesn't exist. surely, it does.

21:00:17 greenspan_fan: if you get me to change my mind, I learn something new. Only upside here for me. I'm just trying to understand what your contentions are.

21:00:19 mircea_popescu: all i'm saying is that you don't really have the priviledged relationship to it you readily grant yourself.

21:00:27 mircea_popescu: sure, you may model a power law, which will be correct

21:00:33 greenspan_fan: yes, stipulated

21:00:44 mircea_popescu: you then proceed to flatter yourself in supposing you can identify the elements in that power law

21:00:47 mircea_popescu: this is a little rich.

21:00:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5616 @ 0.00087028 = 4.8875 BTC [+]

21:00:53 greenspan_fan: again, I agree

21:01:20 greenspan_fan: but at some point we have to make an approximation because otherwise it's impossible to act

21:01:26 mircea_popescu: so don't act.

21:01:31 mircea_popescu: what, am i askin you to act /

21:01:56 mircea_popescu: you mean "it's impossible to act while maintaining the pomp of my pretense". surely, it is.

21:01:57 mircea_popescu: so ?

21:02:16 greenspan_fan: I am not sure how you can live if you don't try to understand the world around you

21:02:36 mircea_popescu: this'd be more of the berkely approach. who said i don't try ?

21:03:03 greenspan_fan: if your understanding is imperfect (which it generally is), you still need to interact with your environment to test/improve it

21:03:13 mircea_popescu: perhaps.

21:04:04 greenspan_fan: and so my reading of TLP allows me to make predictions, which are tested by observing the outcome of events

21:04:30 mircea_popescu: so you say.

21:04:48 greenspan_fan: yeah, but assume that I'm not just some internet troll who'll say anything to win an argument

21:04:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 4222 @ 0.00499999 = 21.11 BTC [+] {5}

21:05:11 mircea_popescu: kind-of besides the point.

21:05:28 mircea_popescu: you still don't have that sort of privileged relationship with reality that'd allow you to turn an is into a should.

21:05:51 greenspan_fan: not in an "ought to" sense, no

21:05:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1000 @ 0.0051803 = 5.1803 BTC [+] {10}

21:05:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.55999999 = 5.04 BTC [-] {2}

21:05:59 mircea_popescu: well what is a prediction ?

21:06:10 mircea_popescu: "if my calculations are correct, her knees ought to be parting right about now"

21:06:19 greenspan_fan: nothing so formal as that

21:06:33 mircea_popescu: informality doesn't rescue much here.

21:06:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31200 @ 0.00086632 = 27.0292 BTC [-] {2}

21:07:05 mircea_popescu: sure, a group will be described by a power law. and in that group a subgroup will pretend identification with the power law's peak.

21:07:16 greenspan_fan: of course

21:07:19 mircea_popescu: some subgroup of the subgroup will impose that and in so doing it'll become history

21:07:28 mircea_popescu: and retrospectively, the "correct prediction"

21:07:40 greenspan_fan: yeah, history is flawed that way

21:07:45 mircea_popescu: this doesn't change the fact that all the other subgroups of the subgroup each had their own pipe dreams

21:08:07 mircea_popescu: as far as a sufficiently entrenched glbse "investor" idiot is concerned, i just got lucky

21:08:13 mircea_popescu: or in fact, i don't even exist.

21:08:18 greenspan_fan: no, you didn't

21:08:29 mircea_popescu: @twobitidiot honestly believes he's a sort of snowden, having leaked important mtgox shit

21:08:36 greenspan_fan: you made a prediction that incompetence will lead to failure

21:08:39 mircea_popescu: which had been published months and months ago, but nevertheless.

21:08:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1000 @ 0.00538064 = 5.3806 BTC [+] {10}

21:08:58 mircea_popescu: you can't really go from one to the other.

21:09:26 greenspan_fan: wasn't that the basis of your predicting mt gox's failure, though?

21:09:52 mike_c: he didn't predict it, he announced it :)

21:09:53 mircea_popescu: we don't know, i never disclosed any basis,

21:09:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1012 @ 0.00499999 = 5.06 BTC [-] {8}

21:10:02 mircea_popescu: and if i had, we wouldn't know if the disclosure was complete,

21:10:05 mircea_popescu: and so on.

21:10:16 mircea_popescu: but in any sort of scientific sense i made no prediction. people even today object to this approach

21:10:57 mircea_popescu: "Any actual evidence that they have this magic ?unlimited selftrading account?? I?m sure a lot of people would like to see it if it does indeed exist.."

21:10:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 800 @ 0.005 = 4 BTC [+]

21:11:03 mircea_popescu: "I?m sure a lot of people would like free icecream, too. And free coffee, even to the degree of queing for an hour to get it. And whatever else. So what of it ?"

21:11:08 mircea_popescu: "What of it? People who don?t know MtGox won?t buy this story as long as you provide zero evidence to back it up, that?s what of it."

21:11:16 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2014/mtgox-and-ancient-bitcoin-history-the-straight-dope/#comment-98083

21:11:22 mircea_popescu: that was... the 14th

21:11:50 thestringpuller: you made the claim of MtGox operating on fractional reserve awhile back...

21:11:56 mircea_popescu: sure.

21:12:02 thestringpuller: and the self trading account

21:12:14 greenspan_fan: so, assuming that wasn't all insider information

21:12:38 mircea_popescu: well why wouldn't it be ? maybe it was. maybe i can read the future in uvulas.

21:12:54 mircea_popescu: this is in fact a perfect embodiment of your problem for your convenience :

21:12:59 mircea_popescu: you can't in fact establish what it was.

21:13:01 thestringpuller: i think it's more of how a doctor operates

21:13:01 greenspan_fan: then your prediction was based on matching a pattern of red flags which have historically had certain outcomes

21:13:12 mircea_popescu: and similarly as you can't here, you generally can't anywhere else.

21:13:14 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu saw the symptoms and made a diagnosis

21:13:19 greenspan_fan: exactly

21:13:34 mircea_popescu: sure greenspan_fan you can think whatever you wish. but that doesn't resolve your decidability dilemma.

21:13:57 thestringpuller: you mean fraudsters :)

21:14:01 greenspan_fan: which dilemma?

21:14:01 greenspan_fan: haha

21:14:34 mircea_popescu: well it's pluriform.

21:15:04 greenspan_fan: for instance, I predict altcoin is more likely to succeed than other, uh, altcoins because it does things "better" than others and is backed by people who are credible and talented

21:15:12 mircea_popescu: so what if it does ?

21:15:18 thestringpuller: ugh

21:15:19 mircea_popescu: succeed, i mean.

21:15:23 thestringpuller: signal vs noise

21:15:27 greenspan_fan: nothing, that's just my prediction

21:15:30 mircea_popescu: right.

21:15:44 mircea_popescu: you'll look back and go... well i guess the prediction came through. now what ?

21:15:45 greenspan_fan: insofar as I can't sample all possible histories after the fact

21:16:03 thestringpuller: you don't need to if you operate on valid information

21:16:12 greenspan_fan: I don't know whether my reasoning was correct or if other factors decided things

21:16:13 thestringpuller: if you operate on noise you're just a lemming

21:16:17 mircea_popescu: so yeah, the summa of this thing is that hard rational positions melt away under examination.

21:16:30 thestringpuller: ^- yup

21:16:48 mircea_popescu: which is a cognate of both why regulation can't resolve market problems and why "self enforcing contracts" are nonsense.

21:17:03 thestringpuller: "self enforcing" lol

21:17:08 mircea_popescu: and further a cognate of quite catholic notions of divinity.

21:17:08 greenspan_fan: but if I make predictions based on similar lines of reasoning, then the meta-level model is tested

21:17:14 mircea_popescu: so ?

21:17:34 mircea_popescu: suppose there's S.LAUGHING, a stock.

21:17:38 greenspan_fan: haha

21:17:44 mircea_popescu: suppose each day it increases x%

21:17:53 mircea_popescu: you verify this theory until you're bored.

21:17:56 mircea_popescu: now what ?

21:18:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 686 @ 0.00483133 = 3.3143 BTC [-] {10}

21:18:45 greenspan_fan: if I have reasons to believe it will increase day over day by a certain percent

21:18:49 greenspan_fan: and I am confident in my reasoning

21:18:55 greenspan_fan: then I should buy it

21:19:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 351 @ 0.00481433 = 1.6898 BTC [-] {7}

21:19:15 mircea_popescu: so you should buy it.

21:19:29 asciilifeform: consult S.CRYING futures, they tell... the future.

21:19:32 mircea_popescu: do you actually buy it just because you should ?

21:19:40 greenspan_fan: yes

21:19:49 mircea_popescu: yeah well... i don't.

21:19:54 greenspan_fan: why not?

21:20:01 mircea_popescu: cause i have to also feel like it.

21:20:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 169 @ 0.00473674 = 0.8005 BTC [-] {9}

21:20:18 thestringpuller: lol

21:20:27 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu needs to be attracted to the stock

21:20:28 greenspan_fan: why wouldn't you feel like it?

21:20:36 mircea_popescu: how would i know ?

21:20:38 thestringpuller: it has to give him a few blowjobs, tell him he's pretty

21:20:41 mircea_popescu: and for that matter, how would you.

21:20:49 greenspan_fan: take him out to dinner before hand...

21:21:03 mircea_popescu: but these are all of the nature of the x% you realise.

21:21:11 mircea_popescu: pirate can pay 7% a week untill he falls over.

21:21:20 mircea_popescu: for all i care.

21:21:20 greenspan_fan: yes, certainly

21:21:26 mircea_popescu: well lol.

21:21:55 mircea_popescu: Untermyer: Is not commercial credit based primarily upon money or property?

21:22:01 mircea_popescu: Morgan: No, sir. The first thing is character.

21:22:06 mircea_popescu: Untermyer: Before money or property?

21:22:11 mircea_popescu: Morgan: Before money or anything else.

21:22:26 greenspan_fan: I fit that into my reasoning, though

21:22:41 thestringpuller: greenspan_fan do you know who Nate Silver is?

21:22:42 mircea_popescu: so you say. maybe you do. maybe, however, you don;t.

21:23:07 greenspan_fan: thestringpuller yep, reading his book at the moment

21:23:40 greenspan_fan: mircea_popescu yes, but I'm reasoning based on the assumption that my process might be perfect

21:23:52 mircea_popescu: right-o. thatd be the problem we've been discussing.

21:23:59 greenspan_fan: which might be the "feeling" you're talking about?

21:24:14 mircea_popescu: you excused this untenable presumption on the grounds that your high expectations of yourself would otherwise paralyze you,

21:24:28 mircea_popescu: should you find yourself alone with a cunt that's not properly bred according to the customs of your class

21:24:40 mircea_popescu: and who maybe doesn't even - horror of horrors - speak your language.

21:25:16 mircea_popescu: your process is not going to be perfect, and the representation that it is makes no sense.

21:25:37 greenspan_fan: yeah I wasn't arguing based on that

21:25:45 mircea_popescu: you slide in and out of it.

21:25:54 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: should you find yourself alone with... doesn't even - horror of horrors - speak your language << might as well put him alone on a nuke sub with overheating reactor

21:26:04 mircea_popescu: but why be mean.

21:26:28 greenspan_fan: just that since 100% certainty is provably impossible, there's a point at which acting according to my understanding of the scenario is better then not

21:26:33 thestringpuller: lol

21:26:41 greenspan_fan: even if my understanding is flawed

21:26:44 asciilifeform: (there was a great robert sheckley story about folks who were paid to be knocked out and put on a nosediving plane, sinking ship, etc. and filmed as they try to wiggle their way out of odd situations)

21:27:29 mircea_popescu: greenspan_fan what does "better" mean ? your mommy would approve ?

21:27:30 greenspan_fan: asciilifeform added to my reading list, thanks

21:27:43 greenspan_fan: no, there's a bit of meta-modelling here

21:28:01 mircea_popescu: you perceive a distinction between this meta-modelling and your mommy ? what would it be ?

21:28:19 greenspan_fan: well, for instance, I don't know my mom haha

21:28:35 mircea_popescu: lol

21:28:45 mircea_popescu: what, you're a romanian orphan too ?!

21:28:47 greenspan_fan: but at some point it gets back to a sort of cogito ergo sum being the only axiom you can trust

21:29:01 mircea_popescu: you can't trust anything, get real.

21:29:12 greenspan_fan: not a fan of descartes?

21:29:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.00086629 = 11.435 BTC [-]

21:29:22 mircea_popescu: it's a fiction, this. "i think". pray tell, what do you think.

21:29:37 mircea_popescu: i'm a great fan of descartes, just, not ready to marry him.

21:30:07 greenspan_fan: consciousness is an illusion is a possibility

21:30:09 mircea_popescu: the cogito goes as proof of existence, it's abused to all hell by people who lack the context to understand what's being said.

21:30:17 mircea_popescu: these days it's used as a sort of chip-n-dip

21:30:51 greenspan_fan: the argument was, I think, that even if he were a brain in a vat (or being tortured by demons, whatever), he could still claim to exist

21:30:58 mircea_popescu: right.

21:31:08 mircea_popescu: but that does not extend to "and by this light make his decisions acceptable"

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21:32:34 greenspan_fan: sure. my contention is that alternative possibilities, like "I am not able to control my own actions" are in some sense unhelpful

21:32:51 mircea_popescu: but this is wildly different from what we were discussing

21:33:00 greenspan_fan: We treat the world around us are being "real" because perhaps it is

21:33:03 mircea_popescu: unless by "my own" you mean "1k random people i've chosen to represent as my own pebbles"

21:33:22 greenspan_fan: no that's not what I was saying initially

21:33:36 mircea_popescu: well, so you can control your own actions, provided you don't control their effects

21:33:44 greenspan_fan: yes

21:33:44 mircea_popescu: or you can control their effects, provided you don't act at all.

21:33:59 mircea_popescu: this doesn't sound like making mommy too happy yet.

21:34:01 greenspan_fan: in the sense of reinterpretting the past

21:34:13 greenspan_fan: plz stop w/ the mom references, you're bumming me out

21:34:17 mircea_popescu: sorry.

21:34:41 mircea_popescu: it's on some level unavoidable tho, because shoulds link into the superego.

21:35:09 greenspan_fan: yeah, it's difficult to avoid that semantic blurring

21:35:47 mircea_popescu: anyway : you'll never be able to have both a) agency and b) rationality.

21:36:00 mircea_popescu: either you act in the world, in which case you come to terms with imposing your arbitrarity upon it

21:36:12 greenspan_fan: I realize I have a typo in the above: "process might be IMperfect" **

21:36:12 mircea_popescu: or else you think of the world, in which case you come to terms with your own inexistence

21:36:14 mircea_popescu: in practical terms.

21:36:49 greenspan_fan: but to go back to the example of S.LAUGHING

21:37:19 greenspan_fan: if I have reasons to believe it will continue to increase, I should invest in it

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21:37:49 mircea_popescu: sure, you should.

21:37:56 greenspan_fan: this reasoning includes a sort of meta-level reasoning about whether or not the stock selection process is likely to be correct