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02:03:20 kakobrekla: there we go

02:04:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 16 @ 0.14788127 = 2.3661 BTC [-] {3}

02:04:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 473250 @ 0.00056663 = 268.1576 BTC [+] {28}

02:04:08 shinohai: https://bitbet.us/bet/1229/?ref=1E5BED1T28wu3ugvy5ukdYRtZcRgWMQPAB <<< completely even

02:04:09 assbot: BitBet - The next US President will be female :: 0.21 B (50%) on Yes, 0.21 B (50%) on No | closing in 8 months 5 days | weight: 73`472 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1T2bIrb )

02:04:56 kakobrekla: odd time of even bets, see also trump and alphago.

02:05:30 shinohai: trifecta

02:16:12 danielpbarron: !v assbot:danielpbarron.up:1d50e6329b5b6cd32d2daf9aa32379ff168977970316ffe31bf814575d18afb5

02:16:15 danielpbarron: heh

02:20:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77800 @ 0.00057669 = 44.8665 BTC [+] {4}

02:23:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.14788127 = 1.4788 BTC [-]

03:00:53 asciilifeform: woah havel0l still exists?!

03:01:51 asciilifeform: http://www.shoup.net/papers/cca-fac.pdf << claims to be a nyooer, better!!111 cramer-shoup.

03:01:55 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1oFqkjr )

03:28:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9500 @ 0.00057538 = 5.4661 BTC [-]

03:57:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49950 @ 0.00057852 = 28.8971 BTC [+] {3}

04:00:47 BingoBoingo: https://archive.is/7RcSo

04:07:39 BingoBoingo: ;;google luciferin

04:07:40 gribble: Luciferin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luciferin; Firefly luciferin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firefly_luciferin; Luciferin - The Bioluminescence Web Page: http://biolum.eemb.ucsb.edu/chem/detail2.html

04:07:56 BingoBoingo: ;;google bulk luciferin

04:07:57 gribble: D-Luciferin K salt | Dojindo - Dojindo Molecular Technologies: http://www.dojindo.com/store/p/758-D-Luciferin-K-salt.html; StayBrite™ Highly Stable Luciferase & Related Products | BioVision ...: http://www.biovision.com/staybrite-highly-stable-luciferase-related-products-1710/; D-Luciferin (sodium salt) (CAS 103404-75-7) (Inchi key ...: (1 more message)

04:08:23 BingoBoingo: ;;more

04:08:23 gribble: https://www.caymanchem.com/product/14682

04:10:10 BingoBoingo: fuck, 200 kilodollars per kg

04:13:12 mircea_popescu: motherfucker. so i go to grande fiesta argentina club/teatro blabla bla. one girl in a corset, the other girl in a cuntskirt, nice stuff. i get there, it's a dingy fucking affair the likes you've never seen, and a bunch of retards in jeans and tshirts queued around the fucking corner waiting for the shithole to open.

04:13:56 mircea_popescu: i end up spending 150 pesos on cabs and 50 pesos on coffee across the fucking square, because argentines are truly and utterly retarded. why make a grand off a fellow when you could just as well make nothing at all and go home to the tv ?

04:14:32 mircea_popescu: on that same square, a mcdonalds on two fucking levels. larger than the supposed club. better light, better accomodation throughout. this brings them no fucking thoughts.

04:26:09 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: whatever you have in mind, almost certainly can be done without luciferin...

04:28:40 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Thing can be done, but not with the same novelty along the way.

04:39:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71897 @ 0.00057985 = 41.6895 BTC [+] {3}

04:52:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8400 @ 0.00057538 = 4.8332 BTC [-] {2}

05:11:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55435 @ 0.00057538 = 31.8962 BTC [-]

05:15:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68071 @ 0.00057221 = 38.9509 BTC [-] {3}

05:19:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78900 @ 0.00057666 = 45.4985 BTC [+] {5}

05:22:34 phf: so if you work too long with tinyscheme repl, you shit town of gensyms in oblist and things ... get ... somewhat ... slower

05:22:44 phf: *get shit towm

05:22:55 phf: fuck it.

05:41:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21280 @ 0.00058038 = 12.3505 BTC [+] {4}

05:42:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40594 @ 0.00058075 = 23.575 BTC [+]

06:02:04 phf: BITCOIND> (time

06:02:04 phf: (let ((big2 (integer->big 2 10)))

06:02:05 phf: (let loop ((i 1024) (big big2))

06:02:07 phf: (if (> i 1)

06:02:09 phf: (loop (- i 1) (big-mul big big2))

06:02:11 phf: (show-big big)))))

06:02:14 phf: 179769313486231590772930519078902473361797697894230657273430081157732675805500963132708477322407536021120113879871393357658789768814416622492847430639474124377767893424865485276302219601246094119453082952085005768838150682342462881473913110540827237163350510684586298239947245938479716304835356329624224137216

06:02:17 phf: time: 12.53040195

06:02:20 phf:

06:16:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37750 @ 0.00057728 = 21.7923 BTC [-] {2}

06:29:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37050 @ 0.00058028 = 21.4994 BTC [+]

06:48:18 ben_vulpes: phf: i'd love to see your clang work *elbow elbow*

06:48:29 phf: yeah yeah

06:48:58 phf: sometime this weekend

06:50:41 ben_vulpes: !up PaulCape_

07:06:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12605 @ 0.00058075 = 7.3204 BTC [+]

07:18:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.00058075 = 3.4845 BTC [+]

07:31:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41100 @ 0.00058084 = 23.8725 BTC [+] {5}

07:32:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74150 @ 0.00058112 = 43.09 BTC [+] {5}

07:43:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 107635 @ 0.00057998 = 62.4261 BTC [-] {3}

07:57:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18800 @ 0.00057875 = 10.8805 BTC [-] {3}

08:03:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47900 @ 0.00057864 = 27.7169 BTC [-]

08:29:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85600 @ 0.00057674 = 49.3689 BTC [-] {4}

08:38:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20907 @ 0.00058155 = 12.1585 BTC [+]

08:39:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60517 @ 0.0005715 = 34.5855 BTC [-] {2}

08:56:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26023 @ 0.00058078 = 15.1136 BTC [+]

09:06:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36100 @ 0.00058155 = 20.994 BTC [+]

09:09:51 punkman: http://vintage-ephemera.blogspot.com/2011_09_01_archive.html

09:09:52 assbot: Vera Violetta: September 2011 ... ( http://bit.ly/1oOcL1H )

09:10:28 punkman: http://hyperallergic.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/cyanotype9-768x965.jpeg

09:10:29 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1oOcMCU )

09:21:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15950 @ 0.00058155 = 9.2757 BTC [+]

09:44:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17650 @ 0.00058078 = 10.2508 BTC [-]

09:59:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48884 @ 0.00058184 = 28.4427 BTC [+] {4}

10:00:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38666 @ 0.0005827 = 22.5307 BTC [+]

10:03:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83200 @ 0.000583 = 48.5056 BTC [+] {8}

10:04:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19300 @ 0.00058322 = 11.2561 BTC [+]

10:29:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16808 @ 0.00058322 = 9.8028 BTC [+]

10:30:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97592 @ 0.00058324 = 56.9196 BTC [+] {4}

10:40:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30515 @ 0.0005847 = 17.8421 BTC [+] {3}

11:06:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50350 @ 0.00057929 = 29.1673 BTC [-] {3}

11:32:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63700 @ 0.0005854 = 37.29 BTC [+] {2}

11:58:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26900 @ 0.00057557 = 15.4828 BTC [-]

12:12:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57700 @ 0.00057555 = 33.2092 BTC [-]

12:29:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31850 @ 0.00057557 = 18.3319 BTC [+]

12:50:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74300 @ 0.00058583 = 43.5272 BTC [+] {3}

12:57:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53500 @ 0.00058643 = 31.374 BTC [+] {2}

13:05:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47100 @ 0.00057726 = 27.1889 BTC [-] {3}

13:22:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27250 @ 0.00057262 = 15.6039 BTC [-] {2}

13:43:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63350 @ 0.00057182 = 36.2248 BTC [-] {2}

14:09:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66100 @ 0.00057182 = 37.7973 BTC [-]

14:24:52 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-02-2016#1416416 << congrats phf !!

14:24:52 assbot: Logged on 27-02-2016 06:02:14; phf: 179769313486231590772930519078902473361797697894230657273430081157732675805500963132708477322407536021120113879871393357658789768814416622492847430639474124377767893424865485276302219601246094119453082952085005768838150682342462881473913110540827237163350510684586298239947245938479716304835356329624224137216

14:27:36 mircea_popescu: i honestly don't think 12 seconds is bad.

14:34:30 asciilifeform: depends.

14:40:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98248 @ 0.00057159 = 56.1576 BTC [-] {3}

14:41:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61375 @ 0.00057093 = 35.0408 BTC [-]

14:41:53 mircea_popescu: teh mpex price warz!

14:50:27 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-02-2016#1416437 << hottest pr0nz ever posted here imho!

14:50:27 assbot: Logged on 27-02-2016 09:09:51; punkman: http://vintage-ephemera.blogspot.com/2011_09_01_archive.html

14:51:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51220 @ 0.00057093 = 29.243 BTC [-]

14:57:42 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-02-2016#1416395 << what's a cuntskirt ?

14:57:42 assbot: Logged on 27-02-2016 04:13:12; mircea_popescu: motherfucker. so i go to grande fiesta argentina club/teatro blabla bla. one girl in a corset, the other girl in a cuntskirt, nice stuff. i get there, it's a dingy fucking affair the likes you've never seen, and a bunch of retards in jeans and tshirts queued around the fucking corner waiting for the shithole to open.

14:57:53 asciilifeform: transparent?

14:59:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23000 @ 0.00057093 = 13.1314 BTC [-] {2}

15:06:33 mircea_popescu: a cuntskirt is a skirt cut to fall exactly at the height of the cunt.

15:06:39 mircea_popescu: so for as long as you're standing still, it covers.

15:06:46 asciilifeform: ah.

15:21:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16300 @ 0.0005731 = 9.3415 BTC [+]

15:21:07 punkman: asciilifeform: .. << hottest pr0nz ever posted here imho! << 100 year old porn is pretty cool

15:21:56 mircea_popescu: deadophilliacs.

15:22:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29150 @ 0.00057712 = 16.823 BTC [+]

15:22:20 asciilifeform: punkman: aha! they still had actual chix in quantity, to photograph, vs today's plastic meatrobots.

15:22:41 asciilifeform: they had... faces.

15:23:26 mircea_popescu: now i gotta see this thing

15:24:46 mircea_popescu: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-4x0rWl7KtDA/T1qNIZA-_zI/AAAAAAAACZo/MKFauwcXCPk/s1600/annettekellerman.jpg << dude, srsly ?

15:24:47 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1QDpiLa )

15:25:22 mircea_popescu: wtf is with this disobedient, herpy female bullshit. i'd take bangbros over the "artistic" pre-digital shit any fucking day and twice on sundays and bangbroxmas.

15:27:05 asciilifeform: mega-unsurprise

15:27:24 punkman: what's wrong with that picture

15:27:29 mircea_popescu: and i'm not even proposing that bangbros is fit for anything but decorating rural outhouses and rolls of toilet paper.

15:27:36 mircea_popescu: nevertheless...

15:28:21 mircea_popescu: punkman that the woman's face looks like it could belong to an inuit warrior, that her female bits are NOT front-and-center and that her posture is inadequate (in not being loudly submissive to a degree of almost parody)

15:29:21 asciilifeform: isn't she supposed to be a greek goddess in that pic?

15:29:25 mircea_popescu: it's the exact opposite of cuntskirt.

15:29:37 mircea_popescu: i dun give a shit what her delusional head tells her she's being in MY pic.

15:29:50 mircea_popescu: greek fucking goddess, what's next.

15:30:17 mircea_popescu: how about she bees a worm ? i dun truck with women posturing as greek goddesses.

15:30:47 asciilifeform: mega-unsurprise2.

15:31:11 *: mircea_popescu waves from his boat, the unsurprise.

15:32:28 mircea_popescu: also, isn't this conversation breaking the cuntdel test ? :D

15:39:43 asciilifeform: l0l!

15:40:38 mircea_popescu: what baffles me is that you somehow associate this vapid bullshit with "faces", or i suppose more deeply, personalities.

15:41:10 asciilifeform: it is more that my allergens are absent

15:41:18 mircea_popescu: you know the hambeasts being special on etsy are to no degree, in no manner and not at all any deeper, or more in possession of a soul than casting couch starlets and aspiring cocksuckers everywhere.

15:41:20 asciilifeform: not having been yet invented.

15:41:30 mircea_popescu: what allergens be those ?

15:41:46 asciilifeform: the 'hambeasts' are deformed

15:41:55 mircea_popescu: i meant something specific tho.

15:42:04 mircea_popescu: the etsy woman is this very peculiar anglo chick.

15:42:21 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the plastic face (partly literally, pound of cosmetic)

15:42:35 mircea_popescu: so you can't stand japanese, or for that matter classic, theatre.

15:42:37 asciilifeform: and the bovine empty stare.

15:42:59 asciilifeform: i like theatre but won't lust to it

15:43:33 mircea_popescu: you know, just because she isn't looking 2 inches under the apex of the camera lens (which is how that effect is obtained, and in all women, even the liveliest cockteases of the lot) but instead 30 degrees to the left in the foliage changes EXACTLY nothing

15:43:33 asciilifeform: but actual mask doesn't trigger the same revulsion

15:43:43 mircea_popescu: the cowsies are just as bovine, the pixies just as flittery.

15:44:37 mircea_popescu: maybe the explanation here is that having seen the thing from the threshold of the 4th wall, my head readily maps and/or discards your allergens.

15:44:56 asciilifeform: possibly.

15:45:22 asciilifeform: this may be an MP-complete problem!!1111

15:45:38 mircea_popescu: while inept shit like you know, "artistically" putting one's hair over one's pubis really gets my fucking goat.

15:45:51 mircea_popescu: i can't stand about 80% of everything hollywood ever made because of the boob cut.

15:47:31 mircea_popescu: heck, 80% of what i like about verhoeven is that he doesn't follow the inept convention of "ohmygerd gotta artistically snip the nips!!11"

15:49:13 asciilifeform: also what is http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-02-2016#1416509 , now i'm curious

15:49:13 assbot: Logged on 27-02-2016 15:42:04; mircea_popescu: the etsy woman is this very peculiar anglo chick.

15:49:28 mircea_popescu: fine, let's detail.

15:49:41 *: asciilifeform thought at 'etsy' was a site for abysmal artists

15:50:03 mircea_popescu: a girl of no particular talents or inclinations grows up in the house of white, upper lowerclass to higher middle class parents, decided to be a good girl and be good and nice and good!

15:51:12 mircea_popescu: she proceeds to go to through school, because you must, where her chief accomplishment is not getting pregnant, because you mustn't! and after having failed at both knowledge and passion, she carries her decrepit carcass sucked mostly dry of juice by the vampire of her mother and the lich of her father + assorted family on to college

15:51:45 mircea_popescu: because you must! and there she picks up a lukewarm major and more or less finishes, and gets involved in some sort of verbiage or another, like journalismsocialmediavolunteeringtohelppeopleblablabla.

15:52:12 mircea_popescu: by now she's totally lost, and well... she can't have children, nor could ever. she can't interest a man, nor could ever. she can't keep herself amused, nor could ever.

15:52:30 asciilifeform: so far i'm with this, i live in town with 30,000 of it

15:52:31 mircea_popescu: so she makes some garbage out of some other garbage and attempts to imbue it with all her dismal powers of nothing

15:52:48 mircea_popescu: that in another woman in another place would have been offspring and family and work and power and everything human

15:53:00 mircea_popescu: but in her, it's just this small, lukewarm, modest piece of garbage.

15:53:01 asciilifeform: except for the 'interest man', they reliably pair up

15:53:10 mircea_popescu: "vintage" purse. scented candle. "good for you" soap.

15:53:14 asciilifeform: with the male equiv.

15:53:20 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that is not a man.

15:53:33 mircea_popescu: and yes, they do, and all that happens is that they cry over their own dead bodies together.

15:54:49 asciilifeform: no theorems.

15:55:06 asciilifeform: this is the fate of people with no theorems.

15:55:26 mircea_popescu: and then you see her in the studio, dragged in by one of the usual preditors, "lesbian" women that hate women (especially in the sense of our "heroine"), ex-athlete stars who figure they've been shortchanged because school ends, you name it.

15:55:36 asciilifeform: and you forgot to list the cat-breeding.

15:55:38 mircea_popescu: and there... she attempts to protect what she perceives as valuable by virtue of inertia.

15:55:47 mircea_popescu: that comes after.

15:56:42 asciilifeform: after what?

15:56:51 asciilifeform: what triggers the cats?

15:56:58 mircea_popescu: after everyone's done trying to predate her.

15:57:03 asciilifeform: ah

15:57:07 mircea_popescu: the cats make reasonable exploiters.

15:57:15 mircea_popescu: i suppose they'd raise spiders, if spiders ate human flesh.

15:57:30 asciilifeform: i think this is really it .

15:57:31 mircea_popescu: but spiders don't care, having better things to do and much more talent with the thread and needle.

15:57:42 asciilifeform: the dream of being eaten...

15:58:06 asciilifeform: i often wonder why they never raise big cats

15:58:13 mircea_popescu: the truth of the matter is that flesh knows its cure.

15:58:37 mircea_popescu: she should be eaten, and in a sane world would try and befriend a wolf in winter. i'm sure this actually happened historically, if not recorded anywhere.

15:58:43 mircea_popescu: (by whom - wolves don't write)

15:58:49 asciilifeform: aha!

15:59:17 mircea_popescu: and there's perfectly valid evolutionary reason the genes for this nonsense'd be present in the population.

15:59:30 mircea_popescu: the etsy girl is the platelet of humanity. she goes to be eaten.

15:59:59 mircea_popescu: there's record in the history of the church of virgin in flock of virgins that gave herself to orcs so that the others may be kept, and they fucked her to bits, so she's now a strange sort of martyr.

16:00:25 mircea_popescu: and how do you know that the cods that you ACTUALLY cut with a knife in scandia sounds aren't DIFFERENT cods from all the other cods, and especially the cods you do not cut.

16:00:47 asciilifeform: sop in insect world..

16:00:54 mircea_popescu: now, that such misery would be selected for and bred into the population by the ineptitude of "state" and "government" is merely unfortunate.

16:01:05 mircea_popescu: but it is inhuman, and it is inhuman deeply and irretrievably.

16:01:18 mircea_popescu: confronted with this problem, bovine stares bother me not at all.

16:01:26 asciilifeform: ever read 'the human zoo' ?

16:01:31 mircea_popescu: dun think so ?

16:01:32 asciilifeform: sorta about this

16:01:58 asciilifeform: concerns degenerate behaviours in captive animals and maps onto man

16:02:06 mircea_popescu: understand that the woman immortalized in, say, vegetanpizda, is stricto sensu human, whereas the etsy girl is not, nor could ever be,

16:04:23 asciilifeform: any evil empire worth its salt, breeds monsters.

16:04:46 *: asciilifeform bbl, food

16:04:57 mircea_popescu: ideally monsters that are better suited for life, however. this is pretty shitty.

16:21:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48400 @ 0.00057712 = 27.9326 BTC [+]

16:32:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35850 @ 0.00057093 = 20.4678 BTC [-]

16:37:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58200 @ 0.00057844 = 33.6652 BTC [+] {2}

16:43:57 asciilifeform: [Hardware Error]: MC4 Error (node 1): DRAM ECC error detected on the NB

16:44:06 asciilifeform: [Hardware Error]: Error Status: Corrected error, no action required.

16:44:09 asciilifeform: my first cosmic ray !

16:44:17 mircea_popescu: wd

16:49:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31721 @ 0.00057707 = 18.3052 BTC [-] {3}

16:54:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 154003 @ 0.00057077 = 87.9003 BTC [-] {2}

16:55:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 113447 @ 0.00056854 = 64.4992 BTC [-] {2}

16:58:25 asciilifeform: either that or i finally got fed the polonium.

16:59:02 asciilifeform: (or i shouldnt've bought those decade-old dimms...)

17:00:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26100 @ 0.00057954 = 15.126 BTC [+]

17:08:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57120 @ 0.00057979 = 33.1176 BTC [+] {2}

17:09:16 hdbuck: good day gentlemen

17:10:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43300 @ 0.00057021 = 24.6901 BTC [-] {2}

17:11:59 hdbuck: pardon for my agnostic demands but as I’ve just followed Mr popescu’s guide to set up the realbitcoinfoundation node, i am unsure how it is working :/

17:12:11 asciilifeform: hdbuck: unsure how ?

17:12:15 asciilifeform: hdbuck: it works, or it doesn't ?

17:15:03 hdbuck: i got a v hash not matching

17:15:08 asciilifeform: which one ?

17:15:23 hdbuck: peter koorsgad

17:15:34 asciilifeform: ugh

17:16:12 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: did the buildroot fella ever come back to you with a modern sig ?

17:17:20 danielpbarron: i saw him /part yesterday

17:18:02 asciilifeform: danielpbarron: this doesn't tell us much. artifexd and dignork are still logged in, long after having set sail on the flying dutchman

17:19:38 hdbuck: so am stuck until mr korsgaad signature is verified?

17:20:00 asciilifeform: hdbuck: try verifying it by hand, and tell us what was the output

17:20:10 asciilifeform: and post the file hash here. (sha512)

17:20:18 hdbuck: how would i do that?

17:20:40 asciilifeform: first things first, link to the build script you used

17:20:45 asciilifeform: (or dpaste it)

17:21:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40700 @ 0.00056774 = 23.107 BTC [-] {2}

17:22:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14726 @ 0.00057991 = 8.5398 BTC [+]

17:22:47 danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-02-2016#1416099 << he parted about 2 minutes after this line

17:22:47 assbot: Logged on 26-02-2016 17:05:40; PeterL: so if people in the Assbot L1 are the peers, what do we call those of us in the Assbot L2?

17:25:11 hdbuck: http://dpaste.com/2ZZXGPW

17:25:12 assbot: dpaste: 2ZZXGPW ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ran8Dx )

17:27:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52924 @ 0.00058244 = 30.8251 BTC [+]

17:27:14 asciilifeform: hdbuck: yours barfs on line 45, gpg --verify buildroot-2015.05.tar.gz.sign ?

17:29:30 hdbuck: what do you mean?

17:29:44 asciilifeform: where does it die ?

17:29:48 asciilifeform: your build

17:30:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47700 @ 0.00056719 = 27.055 BTC [-] {2}

17:35:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57900 @ 0.00056633 = 32.7905 BTC [-]

17:42:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12226 @ 0.00056752 = 6.9385 BTC [+]

17:47:23 hdbuck: when i execute it i just get this: http://dpaste.com/2F3PSGN

17:47:24 assbot: dpaste: 2F3PSGN ... ( http://bit.ly/1RapMcr )

17:49:00 asciilifeform: ;;later tell mod6 http://dpaste.com/2ZZXGPW << wtf is with line 46 of that ?????

17:49:01 assbot: dpaste: 2ZZXGPW ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ran8Dx )

17:49:01 gribble: The operation succeeded.

17:49:11 asciilifeform: ;;later tell mod6 rather, 47

17:49:12 gribble: The operation succeeded.

17:50:40 asciilifeform: this script cannot possibly work.

17:50:53 asciilifeform: hdbuck: where and when did you get it ?

17:51:35 ben_vulpes: http://dpaste.com/2ZZXGPW#line-3 << see anything else wrong, asciilifeform ?

17:51:37 assbot: dpaste: 2ZZXGPW ... ( http://bit.ly/1TFLlpL )

17:52:04 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: is this supposed to highlight a line ?

17:52:19 asciilifeform: this dun work on my box.

17:52:24 ben_vulpes: run more chromeblows!

17:52:34 asciilifeform: doesn't highlight there, either !

17:52:40 asciilifeform: i have every possible wwwtron here, i think

17:53:29 asciilifeform: at any rate, WHAT THE FUCK was 'curl -s -o V-20151129.tar.gz' EVER supposed to do ??????

17:53:37 ben_vulpes: notrly a thing to spend much time debugging, it does say 'line-3'

17:53:46 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: aaand ?

17:54:40 ben_vulpes: v99997. not that anyone could be reasonably expected to know that that's 2 degrees out of date.

17:55:34 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i get that

17:55:38 asciilifeform: but that was not my question.

17:55:47 asciilifeform: 'curl -s -o V-20151129.tar.gz' ??????

17:55:48 asciilifeform: does what.

17:55:56 asciilifeform: how did this ~ever~ work ?

17:56:15 ben_vulpes: anyways this i believe to be the current version: http://mod6.net/btcf/build-bitcoind-V99995.sh

17:56:16 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1TFLYjd )

17:56:23 hdbuck: @asciilifeform got it from the commands the wiki tells us to do i suppose

17:56:34 ben_vulpes: that wiki'll be the death of poor mod6

17:56:41 ben_vulpes: and me

17:57:28 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: this thing where outdated crud floats around, confusing people, drove me to madness long before v etc.

17:58:17 asciilifeform: i have yet to devise any serious final solution to this (outside of eldritch horrors like blockchain telegraphy.)

17:59:02 ben_vulpes: <blink>HOW TO NODE</blink> on thebitcoin.foundation would be an improvement

17:59:10 asciilifeform: but the one practical observation is, PICK UP YOUR TRASH

17:59:24 asciilifeform: either update the wiki EVERY TIME it gets obsoleted, or... don't bother HAVING it.

17:59:52 hdbuck: ah so it is because you keep going on and dont bother updating the wiki?

18:00:01 asciilifeform: hdbuck: apparently.

18:00:10 hdbuck: so i get to dl obsolete script :/

18:00:23 asciilifeform: aha.

18:02:00 hdbuck: anyway i gotta go, i’ll come back for moar help setting it up, thanks anyway

18:02:41 ben_vulpes: hdbuck use the linked v99995

18:13:05 hdbuck: @ben_vulpes now i got this http://dpaste.com/2N5V06F

18:13:07 assbot: dpaste: 2N5V06F ... ( http://bit.ly/1TFO3f7 )

18:14:01 asciilifeform: hdbuck: please get my updated key from http://pool.sks-keyservers.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xB98228A001ABFFC7 (and/or http://www.loper-os.org/pgp.asc )

18:14:01 assbot: Public Key Server -- Get "0xb98228a001abffc7 " ... ( http://bit.ly/1TFOcit )

18:14:03 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1mwR9Wt )

18:15:04 asciilifeform: hdbuck: where did your set of keys come from originally ?

18:19:12 hdbuck: i look up from pool.sks-keyservers.net directly using the 0x… keys from the script

18:20:07 asciilifeform: WHEN

18:20:55 hdbuck: 2 days ago

18:21:19 hdbuck: also i just did it again now, with the link you provided me with, still not working

18:21:23 asciilifeform: paste the public key you have for me.

18:21:25 asciilifeform: (dpaste)

18:22:29 hdbuck: http://dpaste.com/0D10JJK

18:22:30 assbot: dpaste: 0D10JJK ... ( http://bit.ly/1ODzvpD )

18:23:35 danielpbarron: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/the_real_bitcoin << updated, let me know if I messed something up

18:23:36 assbot: the_real_bitcoin [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/238YcVW )

18:26:56 asciilifeform: hdbuck: this appears to be a correct key.

18:27:10 asciilifeform: hdbuck: but is it the key that v is using on your box ?

18:28:13 asciilifeform: mod6, ben_vulpes, mircea_popescu, et al : possibly a neglected subject in the wiki, trb site, etc. is where the hell a n00b is supposed to get pubkeys.

18:28:36 danielpbarron: where is anyone supposed to get pubkeys?

18:28:54 asciilifeform: i did not say that this was a solvable problem, in the usual sense.

18:29:08 danielpbarron: i think it's generally solved by the 6-month rule

18:30:28 hdbuck: @asciilifeform but is it the key that v is using on your box ? >> what do you mean?

18:32:33 asciilifeform: hdbuck: if you take that key and manually run gpg --verify ..... on one of my patches, what do you get ?

18:33:00 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: while mod6's scripts pull them down from the net, i think this is actually a social problem.

18:33:13 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i thought he quit doing this ????

18:33:27 asciilifeform: after i explained that it is a catastrophic mistake

18:33:41 ben_vulpes: ah, i recall now.

18:33:57 ben_vulpes: naively, from each of our websites?

18:34:03 asciilifeform: but now it seems like hdbuck somehow ended up with my expired subkey ?

18:34:04 ben_vulpes: danielpbarron: has it though

18:34:25 asciilifeform: anyway hdbuck has done his 6 mo. tour of duty, iirc.

18:34:52 asciilifeform: so this does not automagically solve.

18:34:57 asciilifeform: what, make the 6, 36 ?

18:35:59 ben_vulpes: what, reading the logs magically solves the key distribution problem? or do i catastrophically misunderstand.

18:36:10 asciilifeform: well clearly it does not.

18:36:19 ben_vulpes: is supposed to?

18:36:25 asciilifeform: and there is not an actual solution to the key distribution problem.

18:36:32 asciilifeform: just as there is not a solution to the three-body problem.

18:36:45 asciilifeform: but there are non-solution approximations of varying degrees of brokenness.

18:37:28 asciilifeform: imho, at the very least he oughta be able to ask assbot and get the pubkey each of us is presently logged in with.

18:37:32 asciilifeform: kakobrekla ? mircea_popescu ?

18:37:37 ben_vulpes: sorry, i was being snide.

18:42:55 mircea_popescu: hm ?

18:43:35 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: was asking about getting assbot to regurgitate pubkeys on demand

18:44:16 hdbuck: asciilifeform: hdbuck: if you take that key and manually run gpg --verify ..... on one of my patches, what do you get ? >> could you dpaste it so i dont get it wrong?

18:44:29 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-02-2016#1416599 << not so far, no.

18:44:29 assbot: Logged on 27-02-2016 17:16:12; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: did the buildroot fella ever come back to you with a modern sig ?

18:44:47 asciilifeform: hdbuck: paste what ?

18:44:52 hdbuck: the command

18:45:13 asciilifeform: gpg --verify some.vpatch.sig

18:45:30 hdbuck: i’ve just started over in a new directory using the new wiki, still not sorking :/

18:46:09 danielpbarron: heh, where does it go off the tracks?

18:46:59 danielpbarron: for me, i also had a problem with the buildroot sig, but it finished with a working bitcoind anyway

18:47:06 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-02-2016#1416637 << eh, every possible wwwtron that runs no www, somehow, even the www that runs on every actual wwtron, including all the ones that run very constrained sets of www!!1

18:47:06 assbot: Logged on 27-02-2016 17:52:40; asciilifeform: i have every possible wwwtron here, i think

18:47:17 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ikr ?

18:47:20 mircea_popescu: must be selfwritten.

18:47:25 asciilifeform: fact is, doesn't seem to work on anything

18:47:38 asciilifeform: possibly because i don't do the update thing ?

18:51:09 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-02-2016#1416641 << i just looked in the wiki.

18:51:09 assbot: Logged on 27-02-2016 17:54:40; ben_vulpes: v99997. not that anyone could be reasonably expected to know that that's 2 degrees out of date.

18:51:18 mircea_popescu: a) the line in question is not there. hdbuck where did you get it from ?

18:51:32 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: look also in the log, i think it just got fixed 1/2 hr ago

18:51:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 102074 @ 0.00057718 = 58.9151 BTC [+] {2}

18:51:35 mircea_popescu: b) there is no "crud". it correctly indicates to use 99995.

18:51:38 mircea_popescu: mk.

18:52:53 kakobrekla: "!key $nick" or something has been on my mind for a few months just havent actually gotten around to it.

18:53:59 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-02-2016#1416682 <<< everyone is supposed to get pubkeys from THEIR FRIENDS.

18:53:59 assbot: Logged on 27-02-2016 18:28:36; danielpbarron: where is anyone supposed to get pubkeys?

18:54:06 mircea_popescu: exactly same place one gets phone numbers for horny sluts.

18:54:17 mircea_popescu: we're misusing the wot / pushing things, here.

18:54:22 mircea_popescu: this nonsense is not to long continue.

18:54:53 asciilifeform: i can't really disagree with mircea_popescu.

18:55:05 asciilifeform: the inevitable thing is that vtron users' expectations must re-adjust.

18:55:07 kakobrekla: except that noobs dont have friends

18:55:10 asciilifeform: ^

18:55:17 asciilifeform: step 1 has to be 'make friend'

18:55:21 asciilifeform: there is no other way.

18:56:19 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla no friends, no life.

18:56:29 ben_vulpes: "social problem"

18:57:03 mircea_popescu: aha.

18:57:25 kakobrekla: idk whats the goal of trb to be ran among a dozen friends and thats it?

18:57:37 mircea_popescu: no. the goal of trb is to be ran AMONG PEOPLE.

18:57:44 mircea_popescu: we're not saving fucking africa over here.

18:57:45 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: and their friends, and their friends' friends

18:57:46 kakobrekla: there arent that many of those.

18:57:50 mircea_popescu: so ?

18:58:06 mircea_popescu: this is like saying "rembrandt is not good because not so many of them"

18:58:29 kakobrekla: i want to use my buttcoins at more than 7 places, ideally

18:58:43 mircea_popescu: i want to use my buttcoins at EXACTLY 0 places of the wrong sort.

18:58:57 mircea_popescu: i'm not really as constrained about where i leave my seed.

19:00:34 kakobrekla: if the soil wont be fertile 0 places of the right sort will grow.

19:01:01 mircea_popescu: if the requirement of "have a friend" is a bar to fertility, other things have to be fixed.

19:01:10 mircea_popescu: not this one. this one is just the gauge.

19:01:38 mircea_popescu: basically, i'm starting to understand, socialism is, other than utter idiocy, an alt-way to be social!

19:01:54 mircea_popescu: have friends with all the benefits of never meeting them, and none of the drawbacks. have friends IN AFRICA!

19:02:02 mircea_popescu: not the real place, of course. the mental nation of africa.

19:02:04 asciilifeform: how is that 'friends'

19:02:10 mircea_popescu: hey, how is usd money.

19:02:15 mircea_popescu: who knows these things.

19:02:29 asciilifeform: usd is what used to be called scrip.

19:02:35 asciilifeform: the 'friends' are what used to be called 'penpal'

19:02:43 asciilifeform: there were words, for these lesser simulacra.

19:02:45 mircea_popescu: and these friends is what used to be called hallucinations.

19:03:25 asciilifeform: well once you come to think of simulacra as the real thing, yes, hallucination

19:03:29 asciilifeform: sex doll is not a woman, etc.

19:05:05 mircea_popescu: and you know, it's something i actually encountered in teh field ? slavegirl picks up random 19 yo, kinda mousy, manga fan with glasses living with parents sorta chick. they go out a coupla times over the course of i dunno - months ? eventually she cuts her off. turns out teenybopper was turning down ~9 out of 10 invites, never put out, her last email being something like "we'll i'd like to continue being friends". bit

19:05:06 mircea_popescu: ch, seriously, being friends DOING WHAT ?

19:05:19 mircea_popescu: but see, for 19 yo redditard, "being friends" doth not include or imply doing anything. on the contrary.

19:05:27 mircea_popescu: it's a fantasy, not a state.

19:06:05 asciilifeform: in other lulz, https://archive.is/F5Rih

19:06:06 assbot: Amazon.com: John Young's review of Playing to the Edge: American Intelligence... ... ( http://bit.ly/1oGfKII )

19:06:10 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sexuate reproduction happens between a passive and an active individual. so we'll have to see what you mean by "sex doll". if it's a literalism, sure, if it's a metaphore prolly no deal.

19:07:21 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if there were a type of turnip-cum-cunt that could be fucked, right there in your garden's soil, would you ?

19:07:26 asciilifeform: doesn't get more passive than that...

19:07:36 mircea_popescu: depends.

19:07:45 asciilifeform: !b 3

19:07:46 assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/08E0ZES.txt )

19:07:49 asciilifeform: l0l!!

19:07:57 mircea_popescu: loll all you want. there is no objective feminity.

19:08:05 mircea_popescu: it's a construct.

19:08:39 asciilifeform: eh who am i to say turnip isn't fuckable.

19:08:46 mircea_popescu: no.

19:08:54 asciilifeform: perhaps on mircea_popescu's planet, that is what is to fuck.

19:08:59 mircea_popescu: who are you to say YOU wouldn't fuck turnip, love it, and refuse to cease even when shown otherwise ?

19:09:20 asciilifeform: i probably would, and will, if These Things Go On (tm)

19:10:39 asciilifeform: don't get me wrong, i very much see the mircea_popescutronic perspective here.

19:11:07 danielpbarron: i encountered one of these "just friends" chicks somewhat recently : girl hits me up on farceb00k seeing that her friends are friends with me; chats me up daily for like a week; I suggest she come see me and get some food somewhere; her response "what would we do? just talk?" ; mine "sure" ; haven't heard from her since

19:11:18 asciilifeform: let something be other than passive, and do something ~to~ you, and before long - you're in pederasty.

19:11:29 mircea_popescu: but it WASNT "just friends", as in, not fucking. it was "just friends" as in... i have no fucking idea what, facebook lists ?

19:11:56 danielpbarron: a virtual character on their facebook page basically

19:12:00 mircea_popescu: i suppose this is an idle objeciton, the "no fucking" "just friends" of yore made exactly as little sense.

19:12:01 danielpbarron: not for actually meeting

19:12:41 ben_vulpes: "sure" is probably the least enticing thing you could possibly say in that circumstance lol

19:13:26 mircea_popescu: yeah, that's veering into "i can't drink coffee - it keeps me up" territory.

19:13:27 mircea_popescu: tho...

19:13:48 mircea_popescu: hard to say these days, kids have dynamited historical formalisms without understanding exactly how that'll come back to bite them

19:14:20 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform for the record, pederasty is not something that can happen to you by accident. it means fucking young boys.

19:14:30 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the other end of pederasty

19:14:34 asciilifeform: in ru prison parlance.

19:14:35 mircea_popescu: erastes-y ?

19:14:40 asciilifeform: where you sell your arse for a cig.

19:14:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50100 @ 0.00058545 = 29.331 BTC [+] {3}

19:15:27 asciilifeform: how do you even say 'lowered into pederasty' in englisch.

19:15:31 asciilifeform: 'punked' ?

19:15:55 mircea_popescu: i guess... tho technically it'd be "made into a punk" otherwise it's kind-of ambiguous

19:16:04 mircea_popescu: the anglos do not like to say the things they do not wish to hear.

19:18:38 mircea_popescu: you could say lowered into petuhery, that'd be necessarily transparent as glass.

19:20:05 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron anyway i think what the cascadian is trying to say there is that it's fashionable these days to say something you know, hip and edgy. "nah, we could go pillaging and plundering! arrrr!" or whatever inane bs of the sort.

19:20:48 danielpbarron: well i shortened it for brevity; my actual response was something like "no i'm gonna tie you up and hang you from the rafters, yeah talk"

19:21:09 mircea_popescu: o.O

19:21:21 mircea_popescu: you said that ?!

19:21:35 danielpbarron: yeah. was that bad?

19:21:38 mircea_popescu: now we know how all the "almost raped irl" cases happen irl.

19:21:51 mircea_popescu: buncha impressionable teenagers talk to danielpbarron, fail to see the humour.

19:22:04 danielpbarron: oh she was no teenage, approximately my age

19:22:14 danielpbarron: although mentally who knows

19:22:21 mircea_popescu: the prostitution rests.

19:26:06 danielpbarron: !b 10

19:26:07 assbot: Last 10 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/171RDC3.txt )

19:27:42 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-02-2016#1416697 << don't be silly, it did solve it. he came here and complained.

19:27:42 assbot: Logged on 27-02-2016 18:35:59; ben_vulpes: what, reading the logs magically solves the key distribution problem? or do i catastrophically misunderstand.

19:27:47 mircea_popescu: this is correct and functioning as intended.

19:28:10 ben_vulpes: that is not 'reading the logs' that is 'engaging with the forum'

19:28:29 asciilifeform: actually he went to pm, at me, and is very sad, can't get sig to verify for no reason i can ascertain.

19:28:31 mircea_popescu: the beauty of our arrangement being that we actually provide provably-correct, provably-complete solutions to problems that provably can not be formally formulated.

19:28:50 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes these terms have meanings you distinguish how ?

19:30:19 ben_vulpes: one passive one active?

19:30:44 mircea_popescu: active "talking to the forum" gets people in trouble and passive reading produces the dumb half of every college class.

19:30:51 mircea_popescu: would you like to put in another quarter ?

19:31:11 ben_vulpes: my favorite arcade game -- Wrong About Everything! (tm)

19:31:21 mircea_popescu: lol

19:33:08 ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2016#1414470 << on an older thread: code takes at least 2 months to review, financial statements ~6, unless you're in a hurry to give asciilifeform 10 btc, may as well shoot for somewhere in that range.

19:33:08 assbot: Logged on 24-02-2016 19:50:12; mircea_popescu: well lessee here, one of mod6 ben_vulpes give an opinion on this ?

19:33:54 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes atm i'm just trying to politely temper the fellow's enthusiasm and un-allergenically redirect more of his efforts towards practical if boresome matters.

19:33:57 mircea_popescu: watch me do it :


19:34:40 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: presently in the terminal to the left, slowly postgresqlating

19:34:50 mircea_popescu: mp management wurx.

19:34:53 asciilifeform: aha!

19:34:55 asciilifeform: magic.

19:35:43 asciilifeform: but holy fuck is that thing slow

19:35:50 asciilifeform: astonishing, how ever worked...

19:36:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74965 @ 0.000587 = 44.0045 BTC [+] {3}

19:36:45 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: re: that, i answered a while back, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=25-02-2016#1415070

19:36:45 assbot: Logged on 25-02-2016 01:38:57; asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-02-2016#1415038 << i suggest that it is done 1) no earlier than 4th 2) no earlier than working cramershouptron is posted 5) paid not to my earthly carcass but to snsa piggy - under whose flag it will be published.

19:37:11 ben_vulpes: i saw

19:38:24 ben_vulpes: in completely other news, the child just rolled over of his own accord for the first time

19:38:36 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: what did you name the boy anyway

19:38:44 ben_vulpes: is now crowing self-satisfiedly on the floor

19:38:57 ben_vulpes: name? he can't even talk yet.

19:39:07 asciilifeform: l0lk

19:39:40 ben_vulpes: you get a name in this family when you take out your first irs agent

19:41:53 ben_vulpes: cedar levi vulpes, in the grand vulpesian tradition of shit not making any sense whatsoever

19:42:41 asciilifeform: l0l i can see him setting mines for nazi echelons near warsaw or the like.

19:42:46 asciilifeform: somewhere in belorussia.

19:43:48 ben_vulpes: i'm expecting vietnamese-style contact mines launched from a longbow but yes

19:44:20 asciilifeform: l0l bpg

19:44:28 ben_vulpes: bpg?

19:44:38 asciilifeform: bowstrig-propelled-grenade ?

19:44:41 asciilifeform: *string

19:45:21 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes> you get a name in this family when you take out your first irs agent << bwahahaha

19:45:59 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: aha yes

19:45:59 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes so he's going to be chevy to his jr high class ?

19:46:09 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: to get briefly back to the cramer shoup thing, i am very much curious re: who is going to review it, and how

19:46:22 ben_vulpes: 'cascadian mortar'

19:46:26 *: mircea_popescu reads cedar like the cheese. like in the old country. CHEdar beotch!

19:46:37 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: lol

19:46:52 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: in case you slept through the thread, there are no public implementations in the ordinary sense, of whatever kind.

19:46:59 mircea_popescu: i was here.

19:47:10 mircea_popescu: just because my eyes move independently of the head doesn't mean i'm not reading!

19:47:11 ben_vulpes: nono, saw.

19:47:22 asciilifeform: kedr.

19:47:23 mircea_popescu: fucking specieism

19:47:49 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: add it to the long list of shit that'll need multiple implementations just for testing

19:47:55 mircea_popescu: ^

19:48:17 mircea_popescu: as needed as it may be, a woman takes nine months to produce a cepher no matter how many vulpes are working on her.

19:48:24 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: think for a minute, about the peculiar nature of crypto.

19:48:25 mircea_popescu: cipher*

19:48:36 asciilifeform: it is not enough that the program - runs.

19:48:50 mircea_popescu: that;s not what he meant omg!

19:48:51 asciilifeform: someone actually has to get off his mathematical arse.

19:48:57 asciilifeform: preferably - more than one someone.

19:49:02 mircea_popescu: sometwo

19:49:48 ben_vulpes: must be two for comparison to be meaningful

19:50:28 mircea_popescu: mno. comparisons of 1 and 3 are meaningful. comparison of two is confusing.

19:50:37 ben_vulpes: and mircea_popescu what jr high classmates lol

19:51:13 ben_vulpes: ah tie problem

19:51:24 mircea_popescu: all joking aside : kids gotta grow up with kids. first few years dun matter, but if he doesn't spend a decade covered in opp starting at about 5 or so he's going to suffer for it.

19:52:26 asciilifeform: opp?

19:52:31 mircea_popescu: this "home education" thing works for me, if and when i decide to knock up two dozen slaves and then produce a litter the size of an average obeast.

19:52:38 ben_vulpes: "other people's progeny"?

19:52:45 mircea_popescu: single father single mother single child home ed is how they ended up needing freud.

19:52:48 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform other people's piss.

19:52:53 asciilifeform: ah hm.

19:53:07 ben_vulpes: 'tisn't actually "alone at home" in this part of the world.

19:53:18 mircea_popescu: but you can mentally think of it as part of the "piss and vinegar" doublet if the physiology bothers.

19:53:20 ben_vulpes: tis a healthy wot of "fuck you usg" around here

19:53:31 mircea_popescu: a something like that.

19:53:38 asciilifeform: how does one spend a decade before 5 ?

19:53:42 asciilifeform: is my parser broken ?

19:53:49 mircea_popescu: it is. postifix ?!

19:54:05 ben_vulpes: no "school" per se, but individuals contracted to teach groups of 5, 8, perhaps 10, specific subjects.

19:54:39 mircea_popescu: i hear that's how the founding fathers grew up all weird.

19:54:40 ben_vulpes: parents who know certain subjects teach those. parents with large houses host 1-3 days/wk.

19:55:04 mircea_popescu: check out the jews, made themselves a fucking kibbutz right in the middle of oregon.

19:55:34 ben_vulpes: healthy dose of evangelicals too. broad political spectrum united almost solely by 'no fucking way'.

19:56:00 mircea_popescu: this is for the first time in like a decade i ever remotely felt like visiting that place.

19:56:10 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: out of curiosity, 'no way' ~what~ specifically

19:56:21 mircea_popescu: no, that's the beauty of it.

19:56:25 asciilifeform: 'no way we will be ruled by pedos in funny hats' ?

19:56:28 asciilifeform: or which is it.

19:56:34 mircea_popescu: "specifically" is the instrument of the devil.

19:56:48 mircea_popescu: you specifically, motherfucker. not me. government doesn't hold the handles of the debate.

19:57:24 asciilifeform: i had no idea ben_vulpes was a pashtun.

19:57:26 asciilifeform: neato.

19:58:57 asciilifeform: this zaps several mysteries in my head.

19:59:33 mircea_popescu: !alf list mysteries

19:59:56 ben_vulpes: yes, which mysteries?

20:00:05 asciilifeform: in this particular case, why offspring

20:01:54 mircea_popescu: in other face news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/128df28123993d09d38ea880329c8639/tumblr_mjtpa58NGR1ro2gueo1_1280.jpg

20:01:55 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1T3a4pe )

20:01:59 mircea_popescu: how about her alfie ? still no good ?

20:02:18 asciilifeform: l0l

20:02:25 ben_vulpes: yeesh that's quite a face

20:02:29 mircea_popescu: >D

20:02:38 asciilifeform: this one is instant-hire at the circus, aha.

20:02:44 ben_vulpes: lolclown

20:03:17 mircea_popescu: omfg this is cruel. she's a young woman with perky tits. what do you want!

20:03:40 mircea_popescu: sometimes i suspect i might be the most tolerant of women fellow that ever lived or something.

20:03:53 ben_vulpes: pashtun << not so much ethnic as "don't talk to cops. seriously, don't fucking talk to cops. furthermore, beat up anyone you see talking to cops."

20:04:33 mircea_popescu: ok, fine, how about http://49.media.tumblr.com/afa2f5ceb8c86cbee99dea8b4f7bc183/tumblr_ms96d8vnPV1qlne6uo1_500.gif ?

20:04:34 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1WRbPnQ )

20:04:46 asciilifeform: mmmmhmmm

20:04:48 ben_vulpes: "also wouldja re-zip-tie that vagrant that tried to get in last night, bob won't be by with the export wagon for another 2 days"

20:05:57 ben_vulpes: but yes, i would rather live in bootstrapped country squalor in plastic domes than most us cities.

20:06:29 ben_vulpes: http://rigsomelight.com/assets/images/dome.jpg << illustrating, again

20:06:31 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1WRc5D4 )

20:06:57 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: remind me specifically why geodesic

20:07:04 asciilifeform: i mean, it makes sense in a pressure hull

20:07:06 asciilifeform: on, e.g., mars.

20:07:12 asciilifeform: but why here on planet3.

20:07:53 asciilifeform: (i can think of one reason)

20:11:18 ben_vulpes: shortwave for the blockchain, solar panels for time-arbitraged electricity, hole of car batteries for storage

20:11:39 ben_vulpes: the linked dome has an astonishingly low part number, and readily available feedstock.

20:11:53 ben_vulpes: is waterproof by construction

20:12:01 ben_vulpes: (skin as frame)

20:12:16 ben_vulpes: but i'd hope to only use that for bootstrapping.

20:20:11 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> 'punked' ? << yes

20:22:01 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> bowstrig-propelled-grenade ? << Rambo

20:23:30 ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: predator?

20:24:05 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> this is for the first time in like a decade i ever remotely felt like visiting that place. << All Cascadians coalesce to Jewish culture

20:24:38 BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: ? Wasn't bow grendade Rambo First Blood part 2?

20:25:06 *: ben_vulpes wouldn't know, not particularly well versed

20:25:41 BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: That's because Cascadia isn't real 'Murica

20:26:05 BingoBoingo: Also why not swap the car batteries for Chicom FeNi battery bank while one can still be had

20:26:39 BingoBoingo: Or do you want night time geodesic civilization to have an expiration date?

20:29:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50700 @ 0.00058369 = 29.5931 BTC [-] {2}

20:30:33 ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: all parts will likely need scavenging into existence

20:34:50 BingoBoingo: Or... You get them rather soon-ish

20:34:55 BingoBoingo: brb, homesteading

20:38:42 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: d'you have a minute to answer shiva questions?

20:40:43 ben_vulpes: tinyscheme still needs renaming to shiva, correct?

20:46:36 ben_vulpes: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-January/000201.html << press genesis_fixed, tinyscheme_snip, repl_fix, rename tinyscheme to shiva, recompile yes? asciilifeform phf ^^

20:46:37 assbot: [BTC-dev] Tinyscheme Genesis, Cleanup, and Fixes, CORRECTED; -and- Shiva Pedigree Bridge. ... ( http://bit.ly/1SfJl8P )

20:46:44 ben_vulpes: also i suppose polarbeard?

20:52:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 126500 @ 0.00058652 = 74.1948 BTC [+] {4}

20:56:16 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-02-2016#1416966 << only if you really wantvto build from the pedigree bridge

20:56:16 assbot: Logged on 27-02-2016 20:40:43; ben_vulpes: tinyscheme still needs renaming to shiva, correct?

20:56:43 asciilifeform: (there is no actual reason to do this more than once per lifetime)

20:57:09 asciilifeform: normally you ought to use the shiva i posted and its bugfix.

20:57:30 ben_vulpes: hm

20:57:54 asciilifeform: when we get a turingcomplete vtron, i will regrind all of my works

20:58:13 asciilifeform: so that this kind of confusion can go away.

20:58:15 ben_vulpes: so i should be able to leave the tinyscheme dir as tinyscheme? or am i screwing up royally in that my patch applications don't result in a shiva dir?

20:58:47 asciilifeform: !s from:asciilifeform pedigree bridge

20:58:47 assbot: 4 results for 'from:asciilifeform pedigree bridge' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Aasciilifeform+pedigree+bridge

20:59:27 asciilifeform: !s pedigree bridge

20:59:27 assbot: 15 results for 'pedigree bridge' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=pedigree+bridge

21:01:01 asciilifeform: PLEASE stop trying to press shiva from tinyscheme-bridge folks !!!!11

21:01:16 ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=21-02-2016#1411369 << i am failing to turn this thread into usable actions

21:01:16 assbot: Logged on 21-02-2016 00:37:21; phf: i can't figure out which patches are actually shiva patches. there's "(EXPERIMENTAL) Introducing: Shiva." and then sometime after there's "Tinyscheme Genesis, Cleanup, and Fixes, CORRECTED; -and- Shiva Pedigree Bridge."

21:01:56 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-02-2016#1411371 <<<<<<<<<<<

21:01:56 assbot: Logged on 21-02-2016 00:38:02; asciilifeform: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-January/000201.html << this and this only.

21:02:16 ben_vulpes: yeah, staring at it

21:02:36 asciilifeform: followed by http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-January/000202.html

21:02:37 assbot: [BTC-dev] Shiva bug fix. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pq7ven )

21:03:23 asciilifeform: nm wrong link wtf

21:03:47 ben_vulpes: so to recap: tinyscheme_genesis, tinyscheme_snip, repl_fix, and then flag_bug_fix?

21:03:50 asciilifeform: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-January/000198.html

21:03:51 assbot: [BTC-dev] (EXPERIMENTAL) Introducing: Shiva. ... ( http://bit.ly/1SN6qPP )

21:03:57 asciilifeform: then the bugfix.

21:04:14 asciilifeform: leave tinyscheme genesis alone.

21:05:28 asciilifeform: 1) press a trb

21:05:34 asciilifeform: 2) http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20160128/asciilifeform_shiva_part_1_of_2.vpatch?sha1=8d22942ffc97296845fad81c3a78acfdf54af23a

21:05:37 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1VKGDX4 )

21:05:52 asciilifeform: 3 ) http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20160128/asciilifeform_shiva_part_2_of_2.vpatch?sha1=abc9c21e3c86e7a540b20e49a6ebc86017758e48

21:05:53 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1OfF7pT )

21:06:09 asciilifeform: 4) http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20160131/asciilifeform_shiva_fix_flag_bug.vpatch?sha1=8e9f57bf90fc32f4c3bdd88adfb449edd3b93e3c

21:06:10 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1VKGF16 )

21:06:22 asciilifeform: 5) ??? 6) profit

21:06:34 ben_vulpes: thank you for the very explicit directions, asciilifeform .

21:06:40 asciilifeform: np

21:07:20 *: asciilifeform off to meatspace for a spell.

21:07:26 ben_vulpes: before you bail

21:07:33 asciilifeform: hm?

21:07:49 ben_vulpes: was i not to interpret "rebake using the correct v-tron" as "supercedes previous missive"?

21:08:08 asciilifeform: where is this?

21:08:16 ben_vulpes: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-January/000201.html

21:08:17 assbot: [BTC-dev] Tinyscheme Genesis, Cleanup, and Fixes, CORRECTED; -and- Shiva Pedigree Bridge. ... ( http://bit.ly/1SfJl8P )

21:08:53 ben_vulpes: >

21:08:54 ben_vulpes: Apply the pedigree bridge path, re-name the directory to shiva, and you get

21:08:56 ben_vulpes: the very same. <<

21:09:25 asciilifeform: this is correct, but it supersedes prev version of ~ts genesis~

21:09:30 ben_vulpes: should have communicated to me that 201 did not supercede 198

21:09:31 asciilifeform: not shiva !!!

21:09:56 asciilifeform: i will explain, hopefully for the last time,

21:10:05 asciilifeform: ts gnesis has

21:10:18 asciilifeform: same rel to shiva as

21:10:38 asciilifeform: 0.5.3 cutter had to chicken.

21:11:19 asciilifeform: it was a forced misery because gnudiff can't rename motherfucking files.

21:11:25 asciilifeform: nor delete.

21:12:01 asciilifeform: makes sense ?

21:15:40 ben_vulpes: i believe so, yes.

21:15:50 ben_vulpes: have fun in meatspace, i'll derp through it.

21:16:52 *: asciilifeform bbl.

21:30:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52000 @ 0.00058786 = 30.5687 BTC [+] {2}

22:01:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58662 @ 0.00058334 = 34.2199 BTC [-] {3}

22:04:03 ben_vulpes: #>(btc-get-best-height)

22:04:05 ben_vulpes: 399924

22:04:31 ben_vulpes: ^^ nifty, asciilifeform! thanks for bearing with my thickness.

22:23:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28600 @ 0.00058586 = 16.7556 BTC [+]

22:37:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64050 @ 0.00058736 = 37.6204 BTC [+]

23:05:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79100 @ 0.00058761 = 46.48 BTC [+] {2}

23:14:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50093 @ 0.00058789 = 29.4492 BTC [+] {2}

23:27:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33176 @ 0.00058789 = 19.5038 BTC [+]

23:35:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45200 @ 0.00058586 = 26.4809 BTC [-]

23:58:07 mircea_popescu: nice ben_vulpes

23:58:16 mircea_popescu: and omfg fleanode spam!

23:59:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75861 @ 0.00058586 = 44.4439 BTC [-]