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Transcript for 27-03-2014, 3634 lines:

00:00:05 tg2: I think the crypto industry needs to have some kind of consortium that rejects new coins

00:00:14 tg2: 75% premine airdrop garbage wallfecoins

00:00:21 mircea_popescu: and new consortiums

00:00:30 tg2: meta rejection

00:00:41 tg2: who consorts the consortiums

00:00:49 tg2: srsly tho, next time I see a 50% premine shitcoin

00:00:51 tg2: i'm going to lose it

00:00:58 tg2: and I know it wont be that long, thats the sad part

00:01:17 benkay: didn't know you were well capitalized, moiety!

00:01:30 *: moiety typed before that bit :P

00:02:23 mircea_popescu: she's not well capitulised, merely slow typewrited.

00:02:27 tg2: if you post in the announcements(altcoins) forum of bitcointalk it should just autoban your IP

00:02:35 moiety: never say never! on both counts lol

00:02:52 benkay: practice makes perfect.

00:02:58 tg2: or use some kind of fingerprinting technique like Kount does so you can't even use proxies

00:04:00 B007: you can spoof those

00:04:03 B007: easily

00:04:05 cazalla: tg2: not really about value, it's just that trends is misleading

00:04:36 tg2: sorry, to what are you referring cazalla

00:05:07 cazalla: tg2: "darkcoin actually adds some value" sorry, i thought you were responding to what I said to B007

00:05:20 tg2: no.

00:05:47 tg2: but darkcoin is a coin that does 2 things

00:05:56 moiety: i have a never ending supply of enthusiasm, undecided if this helps/hinders me

00:05:58 tg2: 1: the mining algorithm is power friendly on GPUs

00:06:03 tg2: 2: darksend is an actual feature

00:06:08 blackwhite: evening gents

00:06:08 tg2: its not just a copy of another coin

00:06:36 tg2: not having to trust your coins to a mixer in order to obfusticate transactions is a big deal

00:06:41 tg2: eventually people will catch on

00:06:46 tg2: and it will be popular

00:07:00 tg2: coupled with the fact that mining it uses 1/2 the power and produces 1/2 the heat on graphics cards, and that there are no asics for it

00:07:12 tg2: means it should see some significant upswings when the summer heat settles in in north america

00:07:24 tg2: and scrypt asics become more prolific

00:07:29 tg2: just my 2c

00:07:30 cazalla: seems like more kids with milkcrates and 7950's tbh

00:07:32 tg2: i have $50k in them

00:07:45 tg2: I have 400 gpus mining

00:07:48 B007: that is why you must promote it

00:07:49 tg2: none in milk crates

00:07:50 B007: lolz

00:08:34 tg2: they are up from 70c to 89c just in the last 48 hours

00:08:41 tg2: a nice uptrend as people realize the merit of the coin

00:08:44 B007: remember to post a to the moon thread on 4chan

00:08:47 *: nubbins` yawns

00:08:51 nubbins`: i'd better buy them all now

00:09:01 tg2: good luck

00:09:20 moiety: B007: the moon is taken, they need to find another planet

00:09:28 nubbins`: i'm going to put in $75k, keep an eye out for the bump

00:09:31 asciilifeform: fuck damn it, i of all people am responsible for infecting people with lolcats.

00:09:32 mircea_popescu: i don't get it, "Half the power"

00:09:34 tg2: better yet get started on an i2p version of silk road that runs off of darkcoins

00:09:37 mircea_popescu: half as compared to what.

00:09:47 tg2: compared to mining scrypt or nscrypt

00:09:49 benkay: derp coins?

00:10:00 tg2: you mine darkcoin on your gpu, it uses literally 1/2 the power

00:10:03 benkay: tg2 it's a meaningless number. you can make the block reward whatever you want.

00:10:09 nubbins`: heh

00:10:11 benkay: the "number" of "coins" is arbitrary.

00:10:23 moiety: asciilifeform: entirely, i need them daily now

00:10:29 tg2: benkay - nowhere was amount of coins mentionned

00:10:32 tg2: only price per coin

00:10:36 tg2: which is all I'm concerned with for now

00:10:41 nubbins`: so if it uses half the power

00:10:41 asciilifeform: ;;lolcat

00:10:43 benkay: that fluctuates with market action.

00:10:52 nubbins`: actually, i don't even

00:10:59 tg2: apparently not

00:11:05 moiety: ;; manul

00:11:12 moiety: gribble, it needs to be

00:11:14 benkay: ;;gettrust tg2

00:11:23 benkay: o ok

00:11:23 tg2: can't has trust

00:11:45 *: benkay goes back to derpy value deliving

00:11:48 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Maybe ship Manuls with Cardanos as a physical security enchancement?

00:12:00 nubbins`: Manuldanos

00:12:07 moiety: ^ so much yes, i will look after them til shipping

00:12:33 asciilifeform: moiety: phun phact. wash. d.c. zoo has a scale, demarcated in... cats. tells the visitor what species he would make the best meal for.

00:12:38 tg2: https://twitter.com/Manuls

00:12:39 ozbot: Manuls (Manuls) on Twitter

00:12:39 tg2: lol

00:12:59 tg2: what a fortunate twitter handle

00:13:20 tg2: I wonder if he knows of it's provenance

00:13:49 cazalla: tg2: is darkcoin better than bitcoin?

00:14:06 tg2: answering that would be stupid

00:14:17 tg2: but maybe you can clarify in which categeory you wish to compare

00:14:58 tg2: there are several hundred criteria that you could arbitrarily rate a cryptocurrency on

00:15:05 tg2: it is better at some

00:15:20 moiety: asciilifeform: lol i must look that up. i did find the only way someone would be smiling while holding one http://www.avianexoticpetclinic.com/images/clinic2/PallasCat2.jpg

00:15:27 cazalla: well, i know nothing about it so please share which of those it is

00:15:36 tg2: let me curate a list for you

00:15:41 moiety: well that was the most disappointing twitter link i have ever clicked, thanks

00:15:48 tg2: right after I'm done answering questions on yahoo answers

00:16:10 tg2: is it still cool to link to lmgtfy?

00:16:14 cazalla: do you sell level 2 accounts or something.. perhaps for darkcoin?

00:17:24 tg2: anwyay, read up, if you choose to invest in it, or mine it, I think it has merit as a coin, in stark comparison to every other piece of garbage that was forked in the last 3 months

00:18:10 cazalla: i'll stick to bitcoin but thanks anyway

00:18:43 tg2: may your ignorance lead you to profit

00:19:04 nubbins`: heh.

00:19:33 mircea_popescu: well, is darkcoin better than altcoin ?

00:19:39 BingoBoingo: Eh, I've never had any offers for singularity coin.

00:19:40 tg2: it is an altcoin

00:19:51 mircea_popescu: yes, but i mean the altcoin

00:19:55 BingoBoingo: https://x-bt.com/markets/atcbtc

00:19:56 ozbot: X-BT - The new marketplace for trading Bitcoin with Litecoin, Namecoin and Altcoin

00:20:06 nubbins`: this conversation would be more difficult in a language without articles

00:20:12 tg2: it is the altcoin, maybe I'm not getting what you're trying to imply

00:20:14 mircea_popescu: nubbins` or without words :D

00:20:27 BingoBoingo: tg2: He means Altcoin, the meta altcoin

00:20:28 nubbins`: XD

00:20:42 tg2: that is meta

00:20:52 nubbins`: i've got about $0k in atc

00:21:01 mircea_popescu: still above 100 ?!

00:21:15 mircea_popescu: bam, atc beats all forum investments lol.

00:21:16 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Indeed but too close to 100 to do much

00:21:19 nubbins`: guess i should've added some decimals

00:21:33 mircea_popescu: it's been stable for what, 3 months now ?

00:21:34 nubbins`: roughly $0.00k

00:21:53 mircea_popescu: nubbins` so get some derpcoin then, now's your chance

00:21:59 tg2: that is hillarious, you can have fun with that coin.

00:22:02 moiety: manul coin will destroy them all, and enjoy it

00:22:07 nubbins`: ^

00:22:09 nubbins`: manulcoin

00:22:15 nubbins`: would buy

00:22:22 tg2: strong investment

00:22:26 nubbins`: and hodl

00:22:31 mircea_popescu: manuella is, in romanian folklore, the date of all chronic masturbators.

00:22:51 mircea_popescu: because well... manul is pretty close to the latin root for "hand".

00:22:58 tg2: so who has the funniest idea for a shitcoin

00:23:03 tg2: either created or not

00:23:13 nubbins`: sort of like Palmela

00:23:22 mircea_popescu: that one too

00:23:24 mircea_popescu: not as popular.

00:23:29 dignork: tg2, darkcoin is funny enough

00:23:50 moiety: mircea_popescu: i discoevered this looking for 'manul lasers' - google asks, "did you mean manual lasers?"

00:24:11 nubbins`: actually, i meant "automatic lasers + shipping to canada"

00:24:18 mircea_popescu: lol

00:24:24 mircea_popescu: "i meant, where is my cousin susie"

00:24:34 nubbins`: dude you know susie from canada!?

00:25:18 moiety: lolol

00:26:24 moiety: i think the only reason people don't make coats out of them is because its hard to skin them when theyve ripped your face off

00:26:55 BingoBoingo: tg2: I might have an altcoin running on an old nokia 5200 series

00:27:00 moiety: "fuck this - back to the chinchillas"

00:27:52 mircea_popescu: moiety maybe they skin them like they peel peanuts, huge mechanical process

00:27:56 BingoBoingo: That might make a nice internet pay per view, Manul vs. 150 chinchillas

00:28:28 moiety: mircea_popescu: you mean monkeys don't deal with monkey nuts?

00:28:39 moiety: lol BingoBoingo is sports betting with manuls already

00:29:02 BingoBoingo: moiety: Nah, the money isn't the betting it is selling admission

00:29:34 moiety: fair point, we need to catch one first though

00:30:01 nubbins`: set out a cardboard box

00:30:15 nubbins`: http://evansheline.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/cat-traps-aka-boxes.jpg

00:30:29 moiety: LOL

00:31:04 nubbins`: http://www.the-crazy-cat.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Mini-Cat-Trap.jpg ;(

00:31:22 tg2: just put a bunch of keyboards in the wild

00:31:30 tg2: check for key repeat events

00:32:29 moiety: lol

00:32:38 moiety: that cat: fuck you , im in the box

00:32:56 tg2: Sweet cat tree. Looks great from your keyboard.

00:33:43 moiety: i can imagine manuls being like, fuck you internet

00:36:19 moiety: unlike that guy, who folded after being super-trolled http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/03/senator-who-called-for-a-us-ban-on-bitcoin-now-backs-off-a-bit/

00:37:03 tg2: anybody here from montreal?

00:37:47 tg2: Going to startup-drinks to hear people talk about how much they think their ideas are worth for 2 hours while drinking. It's an excercise in tolerance and humility.

00:38:03 benkay: couldn't be nearly as great as dark coin

00:38:06 BingoBoingo: tg2: You realize that happens here too

00:38:25 tg2: BingoBoingo, I haven't had a chance to witness it or partake in it yet

00:38:27 tg2: give me some time

00:38:35 tg2: I'll collect the best ones tonight and shitpost them here after

00:38:42 benkay: no honor in that

00:38:45 benkay: rip 'em to their face.

00:38:51 benkay: make them explain their 'business models'.

00:38:53 tg2: That's what the drinks are for

00:39:01 tg2: I like to ask them repeatedly what their current assetes are

00:39:01 tg2: lol

00:39:03 tg2: over and over

00:39:06 tg2: until they realize they have no assets

00:39:16 benkay: of course they don't they're tech startups

00:39:20 benkay: kinda stupid approach

00:39:27 tg2: then I pitch their idea back to them and ask them for $x ($x being the value they asked)

00:39:49 tg2: as thats pretty much the value of an idea

00:40:35 nubbins`: tg2 are you from montreal originally

00:40:44 tg2: no

00:40:57 tg2: I am just stuck here like a fly on a shit pile

00:41:30 tg2: montreal has increasingly less and less to get interested about

00:41:33 tg2: toronto is happening now

00:41:47 tg2: as far as startups and bubbles go, montreal is pretty boring

00:41:52 tg2: 3 notable startups per year

00:41:56 tg2: 2.8 of them flop

00:42:38 tg2: we have, and you can count them on one hand

00:43:37 tg2: about 4 startups that you may have heard of

00:43:41 tg2: if you follow the startup scene closely

00:43:42 tg2: lol

00:43:43 tg2: http://builtinmtl.com/

00:44:06 benkay: isn't there a freelancer billing company up there?

00:44:10 benkay: freshbooks or summat?

00:44:12 tg2: it looks like a template on themeforest

00:44:26 tg2: passwordbox

00:44:27 benkay: startups are responsive templates, tg2

00:44:44 tg2: at our "incubator"

00:44:47 Mats_cd03: nice buzzword placement bros

00:44:51 tg2: there are about 5 teams owrking on a bitcoin payment processor

00:44:58 tg2: lol

00:45:00 tg2: each on their own

00:45:02 tg2: obviously

00:45:10 tg2: we're really giving ycombinator a run for their money

00:46:00 tg2: montreal is home to the biggest porn company online

00:46:11 tg2: that is pretty much our most successful web company

00:46:24 tg2: (and in no way am I underplaying the actual value of that)

00:47:46 tg2: here's a good one, "Delta - the last web startup"

00:47:47 tg2: i wish

00:47:49 tg2: Delta lets people semantically describe the past, present, and future. Based on these descriptions, Delta understand intents and can help you make your wishes become reality, by connecting you to people that offer solutions to your problems.

00:47:57 tg2: holy fuck where do I sign

00:47:59 Mats_cd03: lol

00:48:18 Mats_cd03: understand intents? have all of the money

00:48:43 tg2: when I get to 100m$ in the bank, I'll choose the shittiest startup I can find

00:48:47 tg2: and make it a success

00:48:58 tg2: as proof of concept that it's not idea even, but execution

00:49:03 benkay: so hey everyone

00:49:21 benkay: a copyright notice at the bottom of your silly little webapp is all you really need

00:49:21 Mats_cd03: and thats why youre poor tg2

00:49:27 tg2: so poor

00:49:35 benkay: don't get on your developers' case about owning all their ip

00:49:51 benkay: it's bad form and it shows not only that you have no idea what you're going on about, but that you're afraid of things you don't understand

00:50:11 tg2: lol

00:50:13 benkay: just say yes, send us checks when we bill you, and enjoy software free of your own bad decisions

00:50:15 tg2: yeah that copyright symbol

00:50:18 tg2: stands on it's own

00:50:25 tg2: no need for actual IP protection

00:50:28 tg2: just slap that baby on

00:50:36 tg2: ready to raise some capital

00:50:47 benkay: ugh people raising capital

00:50:58 tg2: wow hey there's another gem on here

00:50:59 benkay: if i never work with another brilliant 20 year old again it'll be too soon

00:51:02 tg2: "ZeroGox.com"

00:51:08 tg2: "Hosted MtGox trading bot"

00:51:09 tg2: loll

00:51:17 benkay: old dudes with capital and biz experience only tyvm.

00:51:19 tg2: fortune 500 here we come

00:51:31 tg2: good thing I'm not an old dude, born in the 70's

00:51:37 tg2: I'm the 80's gen

00:51:54 tg2: we just tell people straight up that their idea is worth less than the air they used to expel it from their mouths

00:52:22 benkay: you do contract dev, tg2?

00:52:36 tg2: no I have 20 people working for me here that work on in-house projects

00:52:43 tg2: and I invest in about 2-3 external projects

00:52:58 tg2: I don't do contract development, haven't for years

00:52:58 benkay: and you fell for an altcoin scam?!

00:53:05 tg2: yeah poor me right!

00:53:11 tg2: i put 50 btc into doge when it was 56 satoshis

00:53:18 tg2: which actually brought the price up to 68 satoshis

00:53:23 tg2: sold at 281

00:53:29 Mats_cd03: r u ballin now?

00:53:29 cazalla: much profit

00:53:32 tg2: for 50btc worth

00:53:40 tg2: now i'm sitting on a lot of doge

00:53:40 benkay: well take the p/d elsewhere buddy.

00:53:43 tg2: and I hate doge

00:53:53 tg2: but if I sell it, it will crash doge

00:53:55 tg2: wat do

00:53:59 benkay: uh

00:54:02 benkay: don't derp with altcoins?

00:54:09 Mats_cd03: no dark pools? how bout -otc?

00:54:21 cazalla: sounds like first one to sell winsd

00:54:24 tg2: anyway, gonna get inundated by poor business plans

00:54:29 tg2: gnite

00:54:31 BingoBoingo: Crash Doge? For the lulz?

00:54:37 tg2: sell 90m doge

00:54:40 tg2: see how hard it falls?

00:54:42 tg2: pretty hard

00:54:45 benkay: yeah crash it for teh lulz

00:54:48 tg2: could yeah

00:54:52 tg2: but not much in it for me to do that

00:54:52 tg2: lol

00:55:11 tg2: it was hard enough to offload 50btc worth at 281 and not crash it down

00:55:22 BingoBoingo: tg2: Well you could make some headlines, the press loves the Dogers

00:55:24 tg2: had a 20btc buywall and was just selling to anybody who poked over it for 3 hours

00:55:35 tg2: they sponsored a nascar team

00:55:38 benkay: those illiquid markets

00:55:39 tg2: asking me to help

00:55:47 tg2: i'm like you want me to sponsor a no-name nascar team

00:55:48 tg2: for 1 race

00:55:52 tg2: solid investment champs

00:56:27 BingoBoingo: Maybe set an ask wall at 72 satoshis

00:57:13 tg2: its all about dark

00:57:15 tg2: i wish there was more volume

00:57:39 tg2: anyway, play money - easy come easy go

00:57:39 benkay: you and every other *coiner sitting on a hoard.

00:57:48 tg2: i like to spend my coins

00:58:47 benkay: last night i tried to put a photo onto my iphone

00:58:51 benkay: lolzolozozolollolzozl

00:59:23 moiety: christ, not another drama please - even if the last drama landed us in bitcoinmagazine in the end - i'd like a break.

00:59:42 benkay: what's today's drama moiety?

01:00:16 moiety: tg2: so you hate the fact that you have all this doge... and this led you to think it would be a great idea to get a pile of dark coin? *failing to see the logic here*

01:00:32 moiety: benkay: no i just mean a crash would be lol

01:00:52 benkay: much kek

01:02:05 tg2: i had too much doge

01:02:07 tg2: so i bought darkcoin

01:02:12 tg2: whats not to understand

01:02:21 tg2: which part are you having trouble with

01:02:26 tg2: look closer if you can't see the logic

01:02:31 *: moiety speaks slowly: the logic behind it

01:02:39 wao-ender: yay startups

01:02:43 moiety: if you hated the first experience so much....

01:02:49 tg2: i hated making money

01:02:51 wao-ender: tg2: top3 startups from montreal

01:02:52 tg2: it was really maddening for me

01:03:04 tg2: i bought 50btc worth because my firend wouldn't shut up about altcoins

01:03:12 tg2: and then it went 6x in like 3 days

01:03:21 tg2: and i was forced to exit with 0 risk and swallow my pride

01:03:34 tg2: i wanted to prove to him that it was a bad idea to buy dogecoins while they were on the decline

01:03:40 tg2: and all altcoins

01:03:44 tg2: but alas, fucking doggers

01:03:55 wao-ender: very rich

01:03:58 *: moiety wasn't actually looking for a book response //rhetorical questions ftw

01:04:11 tg2: > asks question

01:04:13 tg2: > gets answer

01:04:16 tg2: > answer is satisfactory

01:04:22 tg2: > shitpost that it was rhetorical

01:04:30 moiety: are you on cocaine by any chance tg2?

01:04:31 tg2: > pwhew saved my ass on that one

01:04:54 *: jadne looks at moiety

01:05:32 moiety: can i help you jadne?

01:06:09 tg2: wao-ender: passwordbox, lagoa

01:06:13 tg2: we had a decent one called 5by

01:06:23 tg2: but they sold for like $2 to stumbleupon

01:06:28 jadne: moiety: i think it is the general consensus that i am beyond help.

01:06:33 tg2: as all startups in this shit hole do

01:06:39 benkay: what's up, jadne?

01:06:43 wao-ender: passwordmanager?

01:06:45 wao-ender: c'mon

01:06:48 wao-ender: so last decade

01:06:51 tg2: yeah thats what i said!

01:06:54 jadne: benkay: nothing? must something "be up"?

01:07:03 tg2: i guess people really want to keep their credentials in somebody elses hands, you can't deny that market demand

01:07:04 tg2: lol

01:07:18 benkay: well you're beyond help, neh? surely there's something afoot.

01:07:27 benkay: perhaps not up or elevated, but afoot or acunt

01:07:52 *: jadne checks her acunt

01:07:55 jadne: nope

01:07:58 wao-ender: lagoa looks cheesy

01:08:04 benkay: everything kosher down south?

01:08:15 jadne: as far as i can tell. i mean, i havent had a rabbi look.

01:08:25 benkay: it takes more than a look, jadne

01:08:26 jadne: there doesnt seem to be any shellfish or dairy

01:08:37 benkay: oh the talmud is complex

01:08:43 benkay: requires a professional etc

01:09:19 *: jadne nods

01:09:36 benkay: moiety: is this one yours?

01:09:50 moiety: not guilty!

01:10:14 benkay: how came ye by -assets, jadne?

01:10:25 jadne: i forget who i was stalking.

01:10:29 jadne: maybe @aantonop

01:10:33 benkay: <-- professional cunstultant

01:10:44 benkay: cuntsultant

01:10:47 benkay: cunt sultan!

01:10:53 jadne: and then it just seemed like a reasonable group of people to spend idle time with

01:11:09 benkay: har the assettes? reasonable?

01:11:17 jadne: ha

01:11:24 jadne: compared to some of the other irc channels i idle in?

01:11:26 jadne: yeah.

01:11:27 BingoBoingo: Is @aantonop ever ehre?

01:11:35 jadne: the drama is un-fucking-believable in some places

01:11:45 jadne: BingoBoingo: not by that nick that i have noticed, no

01:12:08 TestingUnoDosTre: whats the best alternative to password manager? just encrypt the file yourself with a password?

01:12:51 cazalla: i really hope redban baits andreas next time he is on the podcast

01:13:15 benkay: TestingUnoDosTre: that's a good start

01:15:12 moiety: benkay, are you saying im unreasonable? D: *gasp*

01:16:05 benkay: i've yet to meet a reasonable woman :D

01:16:12 moiety: lololol

01:16:41 jadne: truth.

01:17:29 benkay: but it's not all about you, moiety

01:17:32 benkay: sheesh

01:17:40 jadne: heh

01:18:28 moiety: ach weesht you, none of its ever about me :P i need a sarcasm tag

01:19:08 benkay: now now i'm playing along

01:20:48 moiety: ik that ;P

01:21:21 BingoBoingo: Odds look out of alignment here http://bitbet.us/bet/740/may-i-suggest-9b-difficulty/

01:21:22 moiety: now where did i put that duct tape....

01:22:17 benkay: oh wow moiety just what are you planning to do with the tape now?

01:23:06 moiety: i can't say, it could be used against me at a later date....

01:23:49 *: benkay raises just...one...eyebrow.

01:23:51 moiety: lol BingoBoingo i'm tempted by this one http://bitbet.us/bet/795/this-summer-will-be-the-hottest-on-record/

01:24:26 BingoBoingo: moiety: Go for it

01:24:35 moiety: england's summer falls on a different day to scotland's though

01:25:42 moiety: this could skew my betting

01:27:08 moiety: quite amazed its so high on no

01:27:37 moiety: oh its only 1:1

01:27:48 BingoBoingo: Yeah, just starting bets

01:29:45 benkay: so bitbet is averaging just about 1 accepted bet/day for the past two weeks

01:33:10 benkay: http://bitbet.us/bet/784/s-mpoe-to-rise-above-0-001-before-july/

01:33:11 ozbot: BitBet - S.MPOE to rise above 0.001 before July

01:33:47 BingoBoingo: sounds about right

01:33:49 benkay: this one has some steel behind it:

01:33:50 benkay: http://bitbet.us/bet/775/iron-ore-62-fe-cfr-china-tsi-jan/

01:33:50 ozbot: BitBet - Iron Ore 62% Fe, CFR China (TSI) Jan 2015 over $200 at any point in 2014

01:34:14 benkay: vastly more than the bitstamp out of business one lolzolzo

01:35:55 TestingUnoDosTre: surprised bitstamp under 500 before may doesnt have more...

01:39:24 MisterE: Note name of author: http://www.pfhub.com/poll-americans-distrust-bitcoin-and-prefer-gold-457/#sthash.yidxzuVA.dpuf --> http://i.imgur.com/8reXviD.jpg

01:42:16 benkay: i've been wondering what big texty tattoo i should do

01:42:25 benkay: hex of the genesis block seems appropriate for this chapter in my life

01:42:36 jadne: ha

01:42:45 jadne: that would be kind of cool

01:42:54 jadne: i'd be impressed if you showed me that at a con :)

01:43:25 MisterE: xD

01:47:06 benkay: moiety: i know you like teh kittehs but check out this gorgeous mutt: http://imgur.com/kGFjsOt

01:48:44 benkay: (and his dong)

01:48:58 TestingUnoDosTre: on his dong8

01:49:02 pankkake: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mircea_Popescu

01:49:03 ozbot: Mircea Popescu - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

01:51:11 benkay: my business partner just found the seed for his electrum wallet

01:51:20 benkay: he's losing his shit

01:51:41 moiety: benkay: he is lovely! what a beautiful colour

01:51:52 TestingUnoDosTre: MP, how do those stock distributions work. Like how long does it take one round to end

01:52:24 benkay: moiety: brindles are beautiful.

01:52:38 benkay: baby doll wants a blue one or a fawn one next

01:52:57 MisterE: boy that Frozen movie was nonsense

01:53:26 moiety: brindle is gorgeous i think

01:53:40 moiety: MisterE: why you watching frozen?!

01:53:46 MisterE: yea the girl looked nice

01:53:55 MisterE: ThickAsThieves told me

01:54:09 moiety: but they sing in it *shudders

01:54:35 moiety: wow was the wikipedia made with permission??

01:54:50 MisterE: dunno i always imdb

01:55:04 TestingUnoDosTre: for example, I'm looking at the S.NSA page, and I see the buy quantities, but was thinking there might be timestamps next to each category.

01:55:05 moiety: no i was ref above lol

01:56:05 MisterE: that mutt looks mutty

01:56:13 MisterE: though that is a pretty smart breed iirc

01:57:38 ThickAsThieves: <moiety> MisterE: why you watching frozen?! /// problyno the Frozen you think

01:57:58 jadne: i liked frozen. a lot. :p

01:58:36 moiety: I didn't think you would Disney ThickAsThieves

01:58:40 ThickAsThieves: MisterE, I named many movies that I liked, most better than Frozen

01:58:50 ThickAsThieves: but I do appreciate it nonetheless

01:58:53 mircea_popescu: o look at how famous i am now.

01:59:17 ThickAsThieves: How Famous Are You Now?

01:59:18 MisterE: wow didnt know any of that about mircea_popescu

01:59:36 MisterE: better print it out its up for deletion those nazi editors lol

01:59:42 ThickAsThieves: oh the wiki

01:59:47 MisterE: nice work on the public corruption bit

02:00:12 mircea_popescu: tg2> as proof of concept that it's not idea even, but execution << you are, of course, late in your reading.

02:00:14 MisterE: yea ThickAsThieves the wiki... and to be fair Frozen was not the worst movie I've ever watched

02:00:58 moiety: i see the 2010 one now

02:01:24 MisterE: mircea_popescu: if BSD was in trouble surely they had plenty of notice, years, that they were going to be in trouble? Why the suddenly, "we're broke and need a lifeline"?

02:01:47 MisterE: yea moiety 2010 and it has a ski lift chair on the front

02:01:57 MisterE: there are other frozen titles

02:02:41 mircea_popescu: MisterE it's complicated, of course.

02:03:00 MisterE: how? either they mismanaged their money or there was a big event?

02:03:10 pankkake: or it's a good way to raise funds

02:03:21 MisterE: heh fair point

02:03:50 pankkake: though nonprofits really like when people subscribe (i.e. donate every month) most people don't

02:04:00 mircea_popescu: MisterE generally speaking, everything that exists has needs. after someone finances them their being financed seems the most natural, easiest thing in the world, and hardly worth the mention.

02:04:19 mircea_popescu: before anyone does, however, no one either wants to or really intends to, and the future looks more like an end.

02:04:25 MisterE: no I know foss projects need ongoing financing

02:04:32 mircea_popescu: way of the world.

02:04:49 TestingUnoDosTre: and hows the lelsSEC scandle proceeding?

02:04:56 mircea_popescu: so yes, they had been wailing for months that they're screwed.

02:05:39 mircea_popescu: TestingUnoDosTre nothing much really. like one of those 1950s broads, nose up in the air and a lot of hot puff in the head i'm sure.

02:05:41 MisterE: alright, I assume you checked their financial management was sound before funding them

02:05:47 mircea_popescu: as if cocks now suck themselves or something.

02:05:49 MisterE: you're not dummy

02:06:03 MisterE: WTF? where can i get one of them ASAP?

02:06:20 mircea_popescu: so who's jadne ?

02:07:03 jadne: mircea_popescu: er

02:07:20 jadne: i have been lurking and contributing infrequently for ... i dunno, weeks or months maybe

02:07:28 mircea_popescu: cool.

02:07:41 MisterE: o/

02:08:01 jadne: but this evening i find myself alone at home and substantially bored and somebody here said something that caught my attention and i have not subsequently minimized the window

02:09:09 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo by now, who even knows who reads the website proceeds.

02:09:45 mircea_popescu: TestingUnoDosTre:

02:09:45 mircea_popescu: whats the best alternative to password manager? just encrypt the file yourself with a password? << gpg --encrypt --armor -r yourname

02:09:47 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Is that a typo I left somewhere?

02:09:58 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you were asking about aantonp

02:10:07 BingoBoingo: Ah

02:10:08 MisterE: TestingUnoDosTre: and you can store it in your git

02:10:30 BingoBoingo: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Mircea_Popescu#Mircea_Popescu

02:10:30 ozbot: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mircea Popescu - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

02:10:44 MisterE: did you do that BingoBoingo ?

02:10:53 BingoBoingo: MisterE: Do what?

02:11:06 MisterE: theose fucken nazi editors quick deleted all the pages I strted too

02:11:12 MisterE: the wiki page on MP

02:11:16 BingoBoingo: Nah,

02:11:25 mircea_popescu: lol some massive trollage there huh.

02:11:28 BingoBoingo: MP's page isn't deleted, but they are "discussing it"

02:11:30 mircea_popescu: your handiwork ?

02:11:53 MisterE: hah, I wish. Great idea though now you mention it.

02:11:58 BingoBoingo: My only contribution to the thing was: "Keep The footnotes seem to establish sufficient coverage to definitely establish notability worthy of inclusion in an encyclopedic reference. Media references to him seem likely to be sustained into the future so long as Bitcoin remains relevant. It should also be noted the the Romanian language sources that mention him do not detract from the notability. He's attracted substantial interest

02:11:58 BingoBoingo: in the Romanian language space in the past and has been gathering a lot of notice in the English language space. Since he doesn't seem to be slowing down on doing big thing or on attracting big headlines, criticism on the basis on notability sounds weak. Mr Wave (Talk - Contribs) 02:09, 27 March 2014 (UTC)"

02:12:03 mircea_popescu: jeez look at that, the discussing it page is larger than the actual article.

02:12:18 *: jadne has an alias for gpg -sear

02:12:43 BingoBoingo: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Mircea_Popescu

02:12:43 ozbot: Talk:Mircea Popescu - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

02:13:10 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i mean the second one you linked

02:13:20 pankkake: pretty much every new page on WP gets a deletion page

02:13:27 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Yeah, that is them derping about deleting or not.

02:13:29 pankkake: it's like half of the active editors are deleters

02:13:40 mircea_popescu: heh you know what, this mess gives me hope. if wikipedia can be this insanely nutty/bureaucratic/fastidious and survive

02:13:50 mircea_popescu: maybe there is hope for our "stfu and go read for six months" approach to life.

02:14:04 BingoBoingo: pankkake: Back in the days of it being library school homework I stealthed in some pages that didn't get the delte flag

02:14:12 TestingUnoDosTre: it's hilarious because there's no real difference between an actual wikipedia talk/discussion and trolling

02:14:23 pankkake: well it wasn't like that before

02:14:23 mircea_popescu: i can't believe they're discussing each other's intentions as a pre-requisite to discussing whether they should be discussing if the thing should be discussed.

02:14:25 mircea_popescu: or w/e it is.

02:15:00 BingoBoingo: Well, ad hominem is effective if fallacious

02:15:08 mircea_popescu: i guess if one provides employees wikipedia links that should count as anticonceptionals under obamacare ?

02:15:18 BingoBoingo: Prolly

02:16:35 BingoBoingo: Looky https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Log/2014_March_24#Amir_Taaki

02:16:58 mircea_popescu: lmao

02:17:09 mircea_popescu: ah come on, that must be sockpuppetry.

02:17:26 BingoBoingo: Note who suggested deletion of the Taaki article

02:17:26 mircea_popescu: i can't wrap my head around the notion someone seriously considered that thing is an article.

02:17:56 mircea_popescu: waiot and there's a reddit ?!

02:18:28 jadne: mircea_popescu: on wikipedia, it kind of works as an article as it is thoroughly-sourced

02:18:40 jadne: the idea being somebody will come along later with a better grasp of how to fucking wite

02:18:43 jadne: wrrrrrite

02:18:48 mircea_popescu: the taaki thing ?

02:18:56 mircea_popescu: you have got to be kidding me.

02:19:01 jadne: oh, derp

02:19:12 jadne: disregard me, it hought you were talking about "your" article

02:19:27 jadne: we now return to our regularly scheduled lurking

02:19:28 BingoBoingo: I still can't believe Taaki wanted to self delete on the wiki

02:19:46 mircea_popescu: all art is feigning.

02:19:58 benkay: and piracy

02:20:00 BingoBoingo: So is all sport

02:20:08 mircea_popescu: TestingUnoDosTre what about stock distributions were you asking ?

02:20:17 TestingUnoDosTre: like S.NSA

02:20:52 mircea_popescu: stock is announced, people put bids in, stock is issued, then it trades.

02:20:59 TestingUnoDosTre: on your page, you list the amount like 100,000 , and the price in BTC, like .00000001

02:21:10 mircea_popescu: you mean on mpex ?

02:21:12 TestingUnoDosTre: but I'm wondering how much time it took for the next round to end

02:21:13 TestingUnoDosTre: yes

02:21:21 TestingUnoDosTre: stock purchasing, IPO funding

02:21:32 mircea_popescu: there was only one round in s.nsa.

02:22:17 TestingUnoDosTre: What about multiple buy quantities at multiple prices

02:22:25 TestingUnoDosTre: is that not considered multiple rounds?

02:22:26 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-10-2013#340311

02:22:29 ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log

02:22:31 BingoBoingo: Each of the MPEx stocks IPO'd a bit differently. I imagine it is mircea_popescu Still working on a "best" way to do it.

02:22:32 mircea_popescu: that was the announcement

02:22:43 TestingUnoDosTre: that's the page I'm looking at

02:22:50 TestingUnoDosTre: whats with all the data in the top right?

02:23:03 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2013#351229

02:23:05 ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log

02:23:06 mircea_popescu: that was the ipo.

02:23:25 TestingUnoDosTre: errr sorry. Blocks is the word I'm looking for

02:23:27 mircea_popescu: at the top right ? you mean the book ?

02:23:29 mircea_popescu: $depth s.nsa

02:23:33 mircea_popescu: that stuff ?

02:23:37 TestingUnoDosTre: yeah

02:23:42 mircea_popescu: that's the book.

02:23:48 TestingUnoDosTre: ooook

02:23:58 pankkake: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Amir_Taaki&diff=566099557&oldid=566097405

02:24:00 ozbot: Amir Taaki: Difference between revisions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

02:24:36 mircea_popescu: no fucking way ?!

02:24:40 mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3066.0 < actually legit ?

02:24:42 ozbot: Erotic chat by Skype

02:24:49 TestingUnoDosTre: so all IPO shares were bought at .0001?

02:25:10 mircea_popescu: "these girls are really horny and excited about doing this."

02:25:21 mircea_popescu: TestingUnoDosTre well yes.

02:26:03 benkay: just voice chat?

02:26:05 benkay: wackness.

02:26:07 mircea_popescu: i wonder if it was him doing voices ?

02:26:24 mircea_popescu: "Occupation chairman, Bitcoin Consultancy"

02:26:27 TestingUnoDosTre: lol

02:26:49 mircea_popescu: you remember bitcoin consultancy, i'm sure. the thing which is still liable for bitcoinica loss. you remember bitcoinica, i'm sure. the dry run for the mtgox fiasco.

02:28:10 BingoBoingo: Ofc

02:28:15 BingoBoingo: This seems familiar https://encyclopediadramatica.es/Chronic_Troll_Syndrome

02:29:18 bitcoinpete: i'm heading out the door and i'll bbl but i just published this:

02:29:21 bitcoinpete: http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/who-what-where-when-why-web-of-trust/

02:29:22 ozbot: The 5 Ws of WoT | When Bitcoin Met Pete

02:29:40 TestingUnoDosTre: okay so for BitBet, how did you release the shares in blocks?

02:29:43 benkay: bitcoinpete: reminder friday's a day

02:29:54 mircea_popescu: TestingUnoDosTre yes.

02:30:06 TestingUnoDosTre: I see the numbers etc

02:30:08 mircea_popescu: as far as i recall bitcoin's most exciting ipo to date.

02:30:28 TestingUnoDosTre: but how did you make sure that one person's bid made it into a block, or did not

02:30:34 BingoBoingo: BitBet is basically Bitcoin's most exciting everything

02:30:38 mircea_popescu: Jan 05 07:38:59 <mircea_popescu> sooo, drumroll!

02:30:38 mircea_popescu: Jan 05 07:38:59 mircea_popescu http://mpex.co/?mpsic=S.BBET

02:30:46 mircea_popescu: sadly public logs don't go that far.

02:30:49 bitcoinpete: benkay: remembered!

02:30:51 mircea_popescu: (jan 2013)

02:31:07 benkay: cya, bitcoinpete

02:32:10 benkay: ;;ud kipping

02:32:11 ozbot: Urban Dictionary: kipping

02:33:04 mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/1758473/

02:33:05 ozbot: dpaste: #1758473

02:33:05 mircea_popescu: there.

02:33:47 benkay: anduck lolzolzozl

02:33:51 mircea_popescu: meanwhile elsewere in the swamp,

02:33:51 mircea_popescu: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-03-26/citigroup-fails-fed-stress-test-as-goldman-bofa-modify-plans.html

02:33:51 ozbot: Citigroup Fails Fed Stress Test as Goldman, BofA Alter Plans - Bloomberg

02:34:30 BingoBoingo: At least MPEx and MPOE survived the February options stress test

02:34:51 benkay: wait, mpoe survived?!

02:35:17 chetty: http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/26/us-usa-casinos-moneylaundering-idUSBREA2P1P120140326

02:35:18 ozbot: Exclusive: U.S. to require casinos to vet high rollers' funds - sources

02:35:30 BingoBoingo: benkay: Sure, just the bot is on leave

02:35:42 benkay: no, there are no options on sale.

02:35:49 benkay: this is distinct from the bot quoting.

02:35:53 BingoBoingo: benkay: There can be if you write them

02:35:59 benkay: wat rly?

02:36:03 mircea_popescu: notrly.

02:36:11 benkay: mircea_popescu: confirm?

02:36:13 benkay: ya I TO JOO

02:36:14 mircea_popescu: not atm anyway. but yes, if you want to mm options we can work it out

02:36:22 benkay: ahahahahahahahahah

02:36:24 benkay: oh my sides

02:36:29 benkay: yeah if you think you can beat mp

02:36:39 benkay: feel free to mm options in btc

02:36:39 benkay: gl kids

02:36:47 BingoBoingo: And MPOE is alive

02:37:03 benkay: the asset by ticker of S.MPOE is alive

02:37:09 benkay: the options emporium, eh

02:37:23 benkay: do forgive my pedantry.

02:37:29 nubbins`: !t m s.mpoe

02:37:38 mircea_popescu: benkay you know how many people ask me about random x y z "wall street outfit" that's going to make an options market and whart do i think etc ?

02:37:47 BingoBoingo: The options emporium is open to anyone willing to MM options without shitting themselves

02:37:53 mircea_popescu: and i usually go "sure, why not. send me pictures."

02:38:02 benkay: with no options it ain't much of an emporium, BingoBoingo

02:38:11 mircea_popescu: it is now the pimporium.

02:38:28 BingoBoingo: benkay: I'm thinking some koans might be relevant.

02:38:34 nubbins`: m-pop

02:38:51 Mats_cd03: somehow share price managed to appreciate *after* options are pulled

02:38:52 benkay: koan me baby

02:38:52 benkay: koan sweetly in my ear

02:39:02 Mats_cd03: can someone explain that?

02:39:17 velly: hey guys

02:39:17 benkay: options were confusing

02:39:45 mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 either a) people are insane ; b) there's more afoot than meets the eye ; or c) the options were perceived as more of a risk source than revenue source.

02:39:46 benkay: no confusion -> more easily determined price?

02:39:46 benkay: iono. ask de massah

02:40:03 benkay: hey velly, what's news

02:40:04 BingoBoingo: Student walks into a bookstore mid semester and sees no textbooks on the shelves, asks the manager what kind of bookstore is this. Manager replies, this is the bookstore you need. You just don't need it now.

02:40:38 Mats_cd03: i see

02:41:00 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell bitcoinpete i'm not so crazy about your spacing and formatting of irc snippets

02:41:01 mircea_popescu: very airy.

02:41:06 asciilifeform: commented on the wikiwankatron, for what that's worth.

02:41:26 velly: sorry im a bit of a noob, can anyone help me out? What is a good price for s.mpoe and how do I get into it

02:41:28 chetty: http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2014/03/25/mind-your-manners-ocean-city-to-post-no-profanity-signs/

02:41:28 ozbot: Mind Your Manners: Ocean City To Post ‘No Profanity’ Signs « CBS Baltimore

02:41:43 benkay: oooooooh mircea_popescu fixed his footnote linespacing

02:41:55 benkay: talking all kinds of shit on everyone else's design work nao

02:42:01 mircea_popescu: the people who had wikipedia accounts ?!

02:42:07 mircea_popescu: check out asciilifeform : ten contributions since 2006.

02:42:10 asciilifeform: lol

02:42:18 asciilifeform: i'm not much of a pediwikist, no.

02:42:39 mircea_popescu: previous being a jan 2013 thing on naggum

02:42:44 mircea_popescu: more flattered, i could not be.

02:42:54 asciilifeform: lolmatic

02:43:06 mircea_popescu: velly it's a good idea to take your time, read, etc.

02:43:10 mircea_popescu: mpoe isn't going anywhere.

02:43:33 velly: ok sounds good

02:43:37 velly: where do I start

02:43:48 mircea_popescu: here. the log is in the topic

02:43:55 mircea_popescu: you can read that backwards, it's enlightening

02:44:00 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i had no idea he died 40

02:44:15 mircea_popescu: man sounds ancient.

02:44:32 BingoBoingo: ;;ident BingoBoingo

02:44:33 velly: the irc log?

02:44:35 asciilifeform: he did. very treatable disease (gastric something or other) left untreated. it was arguably a kind of suicide by self-neglect

02:44:55 mircea_popescu: velly yes

02:45:14 asciilifeform: the man was loaded, left a very well-kept library that was auctioned off. and a cat. was a sort of disillusioned type.

02:45:24 velly: seems a bit dry...

02:45:25 asciilifeform: found dead at his console, i believe.

02:45:31 mircea_popescu: "In 1995, Erik started a journalism watch-group project on the web, campaigning to get a journalist sacked from Aftenposten following the publication of a sensationalist story about how Internet Relay Chat channels were used to trade child pornography."

02:45:38 mircea_popescu: such a waste of champagne

02:45:42 BingoBoingo: Was there something earlier about needing an education experienced person to contribute to a reading list?

02:45:53 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo yes there was.

02:46:19 mircea_popescu: but i gather the consensus was, dump everything on lampelina and then scream at her for it not being right.

02:46:25 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I might actually have training and experience in the education field.

02:46:41 mircea_popescu: so in that case maybe put together something ?

02:46:41 BingoBoingo: Lemme GPG and paste the credentials

02:47:05 velly: anything more directly informative? I'm not really sure I want to read through this whole log--- even so far there's a lot of fluff...

02:47:19 asciilifeform: quite possibly, naggum died of regret - for being responsible for 'xml'

02:47:34 TestingUnoDosTre: <velly> here https://coinbr.com/about

02:47:46 mircea_popescu: velly not really. it's like a monk's life, you know ? no way to separate the learning from the toil.

02:47:47 BingoBoingo: velly: Stuff is being worked on.

02:48:02 asciilifeform: he took engineering standards very seriously. very much, almost pathologically, a 'future-oriented' fellow

02:48:03 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform shameful thing to be responsible for.

02:48:18 TestingUnoDosTre: who are you guys talking about meow?

02:48:22 *: MisterE velly: a bit of infos here: http://www.btcalpha.com/mpex/stocks/

02:48:45 asciilifeform: TestingUnoDosTre: a mr. erik naggum, died in 2009.

02:49:11 velly: thanks guys, I'll have a look into this. I have somewhat of a futures background, but I'd like to make sure I'm well informed before I start on this side of things.

02:49:44 mircea_popescu: velly it may seem preposterous to begin with, but take the word of a stranger in a chatroom :

02:49:48 asciilifeform: lol pediwikia has already proclaimed me a spammer

02:49:53 mircea_popescu: the time you spend reading that stupid fluff will be the best roi of your life.

02:50:20 velly: you're not a stranger :)

02:50:20 asciilifeform: how's that

02:50:31 mircea_popescu: they can't be fucking serious lmao

02:51:14 velly: but unfortunately I'm not in a position to read long IRC chat logs

02:51:36 Apocalyptic: you don't have to read all of it at once you know

02:51:56 mircea_popescu: " Dem State Senator Who Authored Gun Control Legislation Arrested for Conspiring to Traffic Firearms"

02:51:57 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: mailed, figuring out this GPG for jpg's thing

02:52:01 velly: it goes on for months

02:52:11 mircea_popescu: i wonder what he is could also having problems for.

02:52:17 mircea_popescu: velly years, actually.

02:52:38 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you dun have to proveanything, just do something that works.

02:52:54 velly: not everyone has time for that

02:53:05 velly: seems like there are better sources for the information

02:53:12 velly: I don't want your judgement

02:53:21 velly: I just want to know where to start to inform myself

02:53:30 chetty: the log with the reuters interview would be a good start

02:53:42 velly: how can I even know that the discussion in here is reliable or correct?

02:53:42 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I really just wanted to take a picture of the diploma. I spent way too much on it for too little return. Having it in the Dossier at MP intel central at least makes up some of the waste

02:53:51 mircea_popescu: lol

02:54:09 mircea_popescu: velly you can't.

02:54:12 mircea_popescu: which is part of your problem.

02:54:44 mircea_popescu: chetty i guess, if he were specifically a journalist looking for how to behave in the new, post-fiat world.

02:55:17 velly: so why would I bother reading years of unreliable and irrelevant discussion

02:55:48 BingoBoingo: velly: So that you might in a year know what parts are reliable

02:55:49 mircea_popescu: that you can't figure out that it is reliable and relevant doesn't make it the opposite.

02:56:03 chetty: the interview log has a lot of good links

02:56:05 asciilifeform: answered the 'you are a spammer' fellow, for what that's worth.

02:56:32 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there are probably numerous better uses fdor your time

02:56:38 asciilifeform: surely.

02:56:41 mircea_popescu: among them, making paper out of celophane

02:56:46 mircea_popescu: (it can be done)

02:57:12 velly: I have to go now, lunch break over and have work to do. Thanks for everyone's help. Sadly, not everyone has infinite time.

02:58:15 mircea_popescu: the beauty of life on earth is that no one has infinite time.

02:58:24 mircea_popescu: so it's always a sorting problem.

02:59:27 velly: well reading that IRC log would simply break my np complexity limits :v

02:59:36 mircea_popescu: that's the point :D

02:59:54 mircea_popescu: i think this convo may actually become canonical link-to for future people who have the problem.

03:00:18 asciilifeform: i think the dynamics of pediwikia 'deletionism' are vaguely interesting - the innumerable pages on obscure fictional characters, etc. that stand perfectly firm, and so on. but the topic has been beaten to death elsewhere.

03:00:39 mircea_popescu: not unrelated to "where can i read all about the english language ?" "uh... just pick up a book ?" "what if it sucks ?" "... what do you want from me!"

03:02:00 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the more fascinating observation, reviewing this bowlfull of guts irc has graciously thrown at me, is just how... innate! the bureaucratic behaviour is.

03:02:20 asciilifeform: the 'beetle type'

03:02:23 mircea_popescu: people derping about evil government have it all wrong. people WANT to spend their time toiling pointlessly, with small tools.

03:02:36 mircea_popescu: where is that lion tamer schetch

03:02:55 mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMOmB1q8W4Y

03:02:55 ozbot: Monty Python - Lion Tamer - YouTube

03:02:56 mircea_popescu: there we go

03:03:16 asciilifeform: who thrives on 'housing committee' and similar places. takes delight in demolishing orchards, at the owner's expense, for 'violations', and the like.

03:03:41 mircea_popescu: incidentally... anyone seen all about eve ?

03:03:47 asciilifeform: they exist, and are the muscle, bones, of bureaucracy

03:03:48 mircea_popescu: very young monroe,

03:04:22 mircea_popescu: very powerful davis, splendid george sanders

03:04:47 nubbins`: sea of love was good

03:04:51 asciilifeform: 'territorial' behaviour, not even specifically mammalian

03:05:13 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not even sure it's that. maybe it is.

03:05:25 mircea_popescu: but it's the pointlessness of the activity that strikes me.

03:05:40 mircea_popescu: consider greenspun's earlier point :

03:06:10 benkay: velly: you don't have to read the whole logs, just sit and lurk and digest

03:06:19 benkay: it'll be great roi, take it from a stranger

03:06:29 mircea_popescu: "This oldster has tenure. He draws the same salary regardless of whether he sits through those interminable boring committee meetings. Why would he agree to do it? Why wouldn't he rather be playing squash, riding a horse, flying an aircraft, walking his dog, etc.?"

03:06:39 mircea_popescu: his ready answer is that "The distressing possibility that the oldster agreed to be on the committee so that he would have a venue in which people would listen to him does not occur to the youngster."

03:06:46 mircea_popescu: but maybe that's only part of the problem.

03:07:17 mircea_popescu: maybe what the real problem is has more to do with lions. as long as we sit put and do nothing, a lot of pointless, small, provably impotent nothing...

03:07:21 mircea_popescu: ... we.... we cant die.

03:07:24 asciilifeform: there is also the undying, zoological enmity of mediocrity to anything colourful, alive.

03:07:32 BingoBoingo: I had a professor like that. Octagenarian stroke survivor.

03:07:36 mircea_popescu: i believe it is fear of death.

03:07:46 BingoBoingo: TA'd for them

03:08:08 asciilifeform: beetle man lives a kind of demo version of death, even alive

03:08:27 asciilifeform: he already knows what he sums to - zero

03:08:28 mircea_popescu: don't go up and strike a conversation with the tall woman. why not ? well...

03:08:43 BingoBoingo: They wore basketball shorts and a wifebeater to lecture unless they had higher university business on a particular day

03:08:45 mircea_popescu: it's not the woman that's intimidating, of course. but she looks like the sort of men that'd pursue her might kill you

03:08:53 mircea_popescu: and so with everything else. hoc sunt leones.

03:09:13 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo wifebeater ?! seriously ?

03:10:22 Mats_cd03: og

03:10:23 cazalla: that's like half my wardrobe

03:10:27 nubbins`: ^ heh

03:10:32 cazalla: but i'm aussie so it goes without saying

03:10:38 nubbins`: the other half being a pair of pants?

03:10:52 mircea_popescu: a pinskirt ?

03:11:18 mircea_popescu: wifebeater and pin skirt. now that'd be the outfit.

03:11:50 cazalla: if i said thongs, i guess you couldn't be blamed for thinking pin skirt

03:12:06 moiety: i dont mean to contribute more fluff, but we might have to stage an intervention for asciilifeform; first the lolcats, now internet spam, it'll be reflinks next.... :o

03:12:34 mircea_popescu: moiety and by we i mean you. sick'im girl.

03:13:17 asciilifeform: possible revelance to beetle men discussion:

03:13:22 asciilifeform: ;;google Jonathan Haidt foundations

03:13:27 asciilifeform: see 'purity'

03:14:25 asciilifeform: (tldr - psychology crackpot who wrote a taxonomy of human motivations)

03:14:25 mircea_popescu: "b) is actually Romanian, and perhaps in some relation to the Romanian Foreign service."

03:14:29 mircea_popescu: wait wait... the plot thickens

03:14:44 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It is the coloqualism for a sleeveless undershirt

03:14:44 mircea_popescu: i'm being persecuted in effigy by wikipedia james blond.

03:14:48 moiety: asciilifeform: i demand you hand over all your manul pics, its for your own good.

03:15:04 asciilifeform: moiety: pet the manul (tm)

03:15:05 mircea_popescu: (with a black shoe)

03:15:40 MisterE: LMAO: http://i.imgur.com/xbmzqYp.gif

03:15:43 mircea_popescu: http://www.yourmorals.org/ym_dinner_2011.jpg why do people today look like a bunch of dorks

03:15:57 mircea_popescu: no wonder painting is dead as an art. who, or should i say what, to paint ?

03:16:52 asciilifeform: MisterE: if i recall, from same: http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Futurama_740ef3_1220967.gif

03:17:08 mircea_popescu: "1) Care/harm: This foundation is related to our long evolution as mammals with attachment systems and an ability to feel (and dislike) the pain of others. It underlies virtues of kindness, gentleness, and nurturance."

03:17:13 mircea_popescu: there's no such dislike of pain in others.

03:17:32 mircea_popescu: "2) Fairness/cheating: This foundation is related to the evolutionary process of reciprocal altruism."

03:17:33 mircea_popescu: pfff

03:17:40 mircea_popescu: just add global warming and stir.

03:18:04 mircea_popescu: it's a wholly innovative, verily incisive bit of us-science.

03:18:09 BingoBoingo: This is the professor in question who wears gym attire to lecture if anyone is curious http://mypage.siu.edu/geosched/

03:18:47 moiety: MisterE: I fear for a Farmville revival VR style via OR

03:18:48 mircea_popescu: red on blue, always a good choice.

03:18:59 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if i recall, the writer in question wasn't prescribing 'principles' for people, but tried to catalogue where various anthropological common threads (taboos among savages, etc.) were.

03:19:08 Apocalyptic: moar contrast needed

03:19:14 asciilifeform: admittedly through the lens of, well, whatever he was.

03:19:23 moiety: aww i was hoping for lycra in the link BingoBoingo

03:19:36 mircea_popescu: moiety http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7f/Cotton_planter_and_pickers1908.jpg

03:20:05 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes. and he catalogued them into "martini" and "gin"

03:20:07 BingoBoingo: moiety: Consolation prize maybe? http://thesouthern.com/news/local/student-levels-racism-charges-in-siu-department/article_0ed2a97a-cd94-11e2-a088-001a4bcf887a.html

03:20:11 mircea_popescu: wherein of course martini is not a vermouth.

03:20:35 asciilifeform: ;;borges chinese encyclopaedia

03:20:39 asciilifeform: ;;google borges chinese encyclopaedia

03:21:26 asciilifeform: imho not entirely useless.

03:21:57 MisterE: ahh yes Bryn Mawr, the consolation prize of Ivy league schools

03:22:51 asciilifeform: MisterE: if it weren't for emmy noether, would anyone ever know of bryn mawr ?

03:22:56 MisterE: also known as a finishing school for Southern hussies on the hunt for financial security

03:23:14 MisterE: :)

03:23:20 punkman1: http://arxiv.org/abs/1403.6676

03:23:21 ozbot: [1403.6676] Bitcoin Transaction Malleability and MtGox

03:23:21 mircea_popescu: you say that as if it were a bad thing.

03:23:44 rithm: These jokes are so high brow

03:23:50 mircea_popescu: an earnest hussy looking for a husband'd seem a lot more respectable than a pretentious priss pretending she belongs in tech or government or w/e.

03:24:40 mircea_popescu: punkman1 so are they saying that mtgox made it up ?

03:24:50 punkman1: mircea_popescu: seems like it

03:24:50 MisterE: there's nothing wrong about being up front about the desire for security when selecting a mate

03:25:34 moiety: BingoBoingo: o.o is he actually racist or is jackson butthurt for never being promoted?

03:25:51 BingoBoingo: moiety: I'll decline to comment.

03:27:01 benkay: mircea_popescu: except in the us where the notion of a 'wife' in the older than a decade sense is abhorrent to the youth.

03:28:18 BingoBoingo: Oh, so many fucking vircurex notes

03:29:20 BingoBoingo: moiety: Probably a little bit of each, but I had moved on by then

03:29:43 MisterE: http://blog.erratasec.com/2014/03/we-may-have-witnessed-nsa-shotgiant-tao.html

03:29:43 ozbot: Errata Security: We may have witnessed a NSA "Shotgiant" TAO-like action

03:29:55 *: moiety nods I was thinking this BingoBoingo

03:30:24 MisterE: benkay: most of the world is OK with a 20 years age diff

03:30:30 BingoBoingo: moiety: I've met both of them, but my knowledge of each is insufficient to make a judgment on who is likely more truthful

03:30:58 mircea_popescu: punkman1 well, it was known since t+1second, but it's good someone actually put it in writing, so to speak.

03:31:32 mircea_popescu: benkay one doesn't get too far in life by paying any heed to the youth.

03:31:58 moiety: BingoBoingo: i'm looking forward to part 2 of vircurex btw // yeah theres nothing quite like university staff politics

03:32:10 punkman1: mircea_popescu: they had been gathering data since Jan 2013, transactions looking like malleability-attacks only spiked after the Mtgox press release

03:32:45 punkman1: someone should bug them to release all that data, would be good to have

03:32:50 mircea_popescu: indeed.

03:33:06 mircea_popescu: do we know who they are ?

03:33:13 BingoBoingo: moiety: Well they were one of the earliest crypto-concerns I had dealt with back in early 2013. I have a lot of notes. // Well I threw up in one or both party's residence at least once

03:33:31 punkman1: Christian Dcker, Roger Wattenhofer, ETH Zurich

03:33:38 punkman1: *Decker

03:33:48 BingoBoingo: ;;gettrust chatquack

03:33:52 MisterE: I don't believe the malleability bug had much of anything to do with Gox's insolvency

03:35:21 punkman1: "However, while MtGox claimed to have lost 850,000 bitcoins due to malleability attacks, we merely observed a total of 302,000 bitcoins ever being involved in malleability attacks. Of these, only 1,811 bitcoins were in attacks before MtGox stopped users from withdrawing bitcoins. Even more, 78.64% of these attacks were ineffective."

03:35:35 mircea_popescu: Hamburg University of Applied Sciences ?

03:36:41 MisterE: punkman1: where you reading?

03:36:54 punkman1: MisterE: the paper I linked

03:37:30 mircea_popescu: http://www.dcg.ethz.ch/contact.html there we go

03:37:31 ozbot: Distributed Computing Group

03:37:33 *: MisterE scrolls up

03:37:58 BingoBoingo: http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2014/03/26/americans_are_skipping_the_bank_reconsider_that_career_as_a_bank_teller.html

03:37:58 ozbot: Americans are skipping the bank: Reconsider that career as a bank teller.

03:39:27 moiety: http://www.independent.ie/business/technology/irish-banks-refuse-to-let-bitcoin-firm-open-account-30128988.html

03:39:29 ozbot: Irish banks 'refuse to let Bitcoin firm open account' - Independent.ie

03:40:09 BingoBoingo: What serious Bitcoin firm would want or need a bank account

03:40:32 moiety: thats what i wondred, why are they going to the bank anyways

03:40:57 moiety: also last bit is irrelevant but hilarious "mtgox falling victim..."

03:42:09 mircea_popescu: anyway, this has all been very exciting but i'll have to bid you all a very good morning.

03:42:32 BingoBoingo: lol

03:43:02 moiety: sleep well mircea_popescu

03:49:03 MisterE: later famous dude

03:49:50 CheckDavid: How do these exchanges work in terms of the legal framework?

03:50:07 BingoBoingo: CheckDavid: Depends on the exchange

03:50:10 MisterE: cowboys and indians

03:50:19 CheckDavid: Do people actually own equity in the businesses legally?

03:50:32 CheckDavid: BingoBoingo: yeah. I assume it does for certain

03:50:42 CheckDavid: Can you give some examples?

03:51:03 MisterE: MP owns most of the MPEx chares?

03:51:07 MisterE: shares*

03:51:28 BingoBoingo: Well BTC-TC, Buttfunder, and GLBSE as an example had no legal basis or preparation and collapsed once their thingies touched the legal cunt.

03:52:01 CheckDavid: Thingies ?

03:52:10 BingoBoingo: MPEx prepared for legal confrontation well in advance and has on fraudsters numerous articles detailing their legal prep.

03:52:29 CheckDavid: They should have practiced safe sex

03:52:54 BingoBoingo: CheckDavid: If you aren't prepared to fuck the cunt, you can't rightfully call it a penis, prick, dick, or any rightly adult term.

03:53:21 CheckDavid: I see.

03:53:26 CheckDavid: Very poetical

03:55:03 CheckDavid: I was thinking about funding a business

03:55:16 CheckDavid: A startup

03:55:31 CheckDavid: Not sure about the best option

03:55:35 punkman: CheckDavid: ninjashogun?

03:55:56 CheckDavid: I am not him. But it is related yes

03:56:08 punkman: I mean are you gonna fund him

03:56:16 BingoBoingo: Related in what way?

03:56:35 CheckDavid: No. But I am trying to find a way to.

03:56:49 CheckDavid: BingoBoingo: the subject is related

03:57:06 CheckDavid: I an talking about the same business as he wad

03:57:12 CheckDavid: Was

03:57:17 BingoBoingo: I dunno that he ever revealed a subject

03:57:37 punkman: "stealth mode"

03:57:48 CheckDavid: Not aware of what he discussed here in the past either

03:58:50 BingoBoingo: A something, hardware. Nothing more specific.

03:59:27 CheckDavid: Hardware? It's a web business with no hardware specifics

04:00:27 BingoBoingo: Well, he slathered around several ideas

04:00:41 CheckDavid: Possible

04:00:46 punkman: each worth 49 cents

04:00:58 CheckDavid: Well keys not talk about him. I can't represent all his ideas :)

04:01:05 CheckDavid: *let's

04:01:16 punkman: keys open doors

04:01:22 CheckDavid: Lool

04:06:41 VanCleef: http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/03/apps-with-millions-of-google-play-downloads-covertly-mine-cryptocurrency/

04:06:41 ozbot: Apps with millions of Google Play downloads covertly mine cryptocurrency | Ars Technica

04:08:25 punkman: is ther a scamcoin optimized for phones yet?

04:08:37 punkman: would make sense

04:10:54 BingoBoingo: punkman: at some point in the past I played with a crypto that lived on a single nokia phone

04:14:52 punkman: BingoBoingo: did that ever have a higher marketcap than litecoin?

04:15:41 BingoBoingo: punkman: Well, there was one coin mined and then difficulty adjusted such that a second coin would be impossibru

04:15:55 BingoBoingo: punkman: WOuld the cost of the phone count?

04:16:18 punkman: I don't see why not

04:17:59 Mats_cd03: some smartphones have a surprising amount of horsepower

04:18:40 BingoBoingo: Mats_cd03: Two words on this phone, resistive touchscreen.

04:18:58 BingoBoingo: Dunno if this "coin" could have even survived an internet connection

04:19:11 Mats_cd03: on the subject of cool phones, i want to buy an oppo phone now

04:19:31 punkman: Mats_cd03: the trick would be that only a phone can mine the coin reasonably fast, so you can use your phone botnet to make some easy money

04:20:01 punkman: rather than making dogecents

04:21:26 Mats_cd03: a clever malware writer would optimize certain scamcoins for mining based on the presence of a gpu

04:22:57 BingoBoingo: A clever malware writer could start a phone card bsns based on hijacked phones

04:27:52 Mats_cd03: and how would that work

04:37:51 Apocalyptic: http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/2014/03/26/cryptorush-support-worker-leaks-inside-info/

04:38:06 Apocalyptic: " : he started by announcing 60% shareholding

04:38:06 Apocalyptic: : but he actually owns only 10%?

04:38:06 Apocalyptic: "

04:46:25 tg2: I have an opengl scrypt implementation, works on gpu in webgl, opengl es

04:47:03 tg2: My snapdragon 800 gets like 30kh/s

04:47:07 tg2: But gets hot

04:48:02 tg2: Would be nice on a rogue app with a lot of install base

04:48:24 tg2: Can run it only when phone is plugged in etc

04:50:17 Mats_cd03: thats not bad

04:50:52 tg2: Working on an x11 Version of it

04:51:42 tg2: Cause you could actually mine an x11 coin on a phone cpu/gpu without melting it and get good hashes

04:52:16 tg2: Sneaky tg already working on your ideas for 2 months now

04:52:41 tg2: If anybody has an app with huge install base lemme know

04:54:55 BingoBoingo: tg2: Do you have any ventures that might need a persistent exposure to the core Bitcoin community?

04:56:21 tg2: I have many, some are still in lab right now like this one in particular

04:56:35 tg2: some are less than ethical and I wouldn't discuss here

04:57:50 BingoBoingo: tg2: For a more ethical one you might want to consider http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/03/21/a-fundraiser-because-this-is-way-to-young-to-have-a-paywall-but-hosting-isnt-free/

04:58:13 tg2: I had an open offer on dogecoin for people to pitch me their ideas and have a few promising projects from that

04:58:36 tg2: just registeted truecrypto.com and shopbit.net

04:58:52 BingoBoingo: I have trouble connecting the idea of "dogecoin" and "people"

04:59:05 tg2: Hah, I can't fault you

04:59:27 tg2: I hate dogecoin and I'm one of the top 25 holders of it

04:59:32 BingoBoingo: Yeah

04:59:44 BingoBoingo: Last year I was in a similar position with Devcoin

04:59:58 tg2: You want to hear a sad story

05:00:17 BingoBoingo: Sure

05:00:20 tg2: I bought diablo 3 gold at launch for Bitcoins

05:00:32 BingoBoingo: Damn, already sad

05:00:32 tg2: 50 bitcoins worth

05:00:41 BingoBoingo: Fuckity fuck fuck

05:00:51 tg2: 30m diablo 3 gold

05:01:05 BingoBoingo: And

05:01:05 tg2: go do a quick price check on diablo 3 gold

05:01:08 tg2: lol

05:01:20 BingoBoingo: Fuck

05:01:24 BingoBoingo: !b 11

05:01:46 tg2: Spoiler, it's not worth 30k

05:02:01 VanCleef: anyone log into havelock?

05:02:02 punkman: is it $30?

05:02:05 tg2: No

05:02:22 tg2: It's about $2 for 100m or something

05:02:29 tg2: I haven't checked in a while

05:02:40 punkman: welcome to Zimbabwe

05:03:11 BingoBoingo: I actually last year made a decent trading Eve Isk for S.MPOE and then BTC

05:03:14 tg2: Diablo 3 was the game that made me realise I can't recapture the elation I used to have for games

05:03:24 tg2: sad on many levels

05:03:42 BingoBoingo: I dunno, I'm kind of liking The Stick of Truth

05:03:47 tg2: SimCity reaffirmed it

05:04:08 Mats_cd03: sim city used to be good?

05:04:17 tg2: Oh boy

05:04:23 VanCleef: how good is mr slaves ass level

05:04:28 tg2: Gonna pretend you didn't say that

05:04:46 tg2: Sc2000.exe

05:04:58 tg2: Right in the childhood

05:05:18 tg2: i386

05:05:37 bitcoinpete: ;;later tell mircea_popescu: shift return! aha! the learning never stops. ty for the feedback :D

05:06:04 BingoBoingo: VanCleef: Not that far yet. My Jew is just Jewing around.

05:06:07 tg2: Anyway I'm not even old

05:06:35 tg2: Ctrl+backspace

05:06:39 BingoBoingo: tg2: What are some BTC ventures you aren't afraid of mentioning?

05:07:10 tg2: Not many I suppose

05:07:25 tg2: with what intent

05:07:44 tg2: I'm sure I'll get to know you guys better

05:07:55 Mats_cd03: lol...

05:08:10 tg2: I really know nobody here I just heard about this chan 3 times from 3 different people

05:08:13 BingoBoingo: tg2: Well with the intent of promoting them.

05:08:23 tg2: And they were all surprised I wasn't in it

05:08:36 tg2: promoting, PR?

05:08:53 tg2: I have my own ad network lol I don't need promotion

05:08:55 BingoBoingo: tg2: Really this isn't a channel where your ideas will get scooped unless you explicitly say "hey you guys scoop me on this"

05:09:14 tg2: yeah I keep cards close to the chest

05:09:22 tg2: good ones anyway

05:09:35 tg2: if you hear an idea from my it's my 2-7 off suit

05:10:14 xdotcomm_: you guys do scooping here

05:10:22 Mats_cd03: what a special snowflake

05:10:24 BingoBoingo: xdotcomm_: No, we make news here

05:10:39 tg2: SEC news

05:10:52 tg2: The good kind, you know

05:10:57 BingoBoingo: tg2: Other news well before then

05:11:29 VanCleef: is there something wrong wtih havelock website atm or is it just me?

05:11:47 BingoBoingo: Never really had a need to use it ever VanCleef

05:11:51 tg2: It seemed really slow when I was on it earlier and I'm on a very fat pipe

05:11:53 xdotcomm_: cryptorush is titsup

05:12:10 VanCleef: ok cool thanks

05:12:15 VanCleef: yeh wont even load

05:12:19 tg2: yeah cryptorush drama. I don't get why we don't have a centralized trust exchange yet

05:12:39 VanCleef: what happened to cryptorush, sorry i mised it

05:13:26 xdotcomm_: wtf i though u made the new here

05:13:32 xdotcomm_: BingoBoingo: u on this or what?

05:13:33 BingoBoingo: VanCleef: Run by walmart's finest, ended like an abortus

05:14:04 BingoBoingo: xdotcomm_: What sort of news are you expecting?

05:14:07 VanCleef: link?

05:14:15 VanCleef: to bitcointalk or something

05:14:31 xdotcomm_: VanCleef: http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/2014/03/26/cryptorush-support-worker-leaks-inside-info/

05:14:35 VanCleef: thanks

05:14:46 xdotcomm_: BingoBoingo: I dunno some supery cyber stuff

05:15:36 xdotcomm_: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/21ejkh/scam_exchange_cryptorush_implodes_with_epic_drama/

05:16:27 xdotcomm_: u know whats funny i had like 5mil COINYE on cryptorush

05:17:13 Apocalyptic: hum, been looking for a coin to add to x-bt that isn't an outright scam

05:17:23 Apocalyptic: it's kinda hard to find one so far

05:17:26 VanCleef: ok, just another normal week in bitcoin world

05:17:41 xdotcomm_: yea only 3 now is BTC / LTC /DOGE all other is toxic trash

05:17:48 xdotcomm_: https://chunkhost.com/blog/15/huge_security_hole_in_sendgrid

05:17:49 ozbot: Huge Security Hole in Sendgrid – ChunkHost

05:17:51 Apocalyptic: xdotcomm_, NMC is legit

05:17:55 Apocalyptic: and so is ATC

05:17:56 xdotcomm_: yea

05:18:04 xdotcomm_: Apocalyptic: i agree on NMC i like the idea

05:18:10 xdotcomm_: i wish it would work

05:18:13 BingoBoingo: http://fraudsters.com/2014/robert-keith-cristopher-jr-matt-sartain-kristian-thomson-cryptorush-much-comedy-lulzgoldmine/

05:18:13 ozbot: Robert Keith Cristopher, Jr ; Matt Sartain ; Kristian Thomson ; Cryptorush : much comedy & lulzgoldm

05:18:41 Apocalyptic: looks like Primecoin was Sunnyking's first attempt at a coin before he moved to Peercoin & other stuff

05:18:58 xdotcomm_: people try to get into sendgrid of a hosting provider to get access to sites hosted

05:19:08 xdotcomm_: its going to get alot more complex

05:19:23 xdotcomm_: i wish people would stop running exchanges without owning hardware

05:19:47 tg2: https://litecointalk.org/index.php?topic=17948.0

05:19:53 tg2: Discourse welcome!

05:20:03 BingoBoingo: Apocalyptic: The thing now called peercoin came first, but it was called PPC at its origin

05:20:21 Apocalyptic: BingoBoingo, I see

05:20:39 tg2: xdotcomm_ social engineering will always remain my favorite means of hacking

05:20:40 xdotcomm_: tg2: ur breeliant

05:20:40 BingoBoingo: Apocalyptic: It was short for PPCoin

05:20:59 Apocalyptic: BingoBoingo, do you know if Devcoin is well maintained ?

05:21:05 xdotcomm_: tg2: people are easier to hack then code :)

05:21:07 moiety: i lasted under two hours before i gave up tonight BingoBoingo this is harder than it used to be lol

05:21:22 tg2: Guess you haven't seen the code I've seen lol

05:21:34 Apocalyptic: <xdotcomm_> i wish people would stop running exchanges without owning hardware // that's not even the biggest issue

05:21:37 BingoBoingo: Apocalyptic: It isn't well at all. Also has past association with scammers like cablepair

05:21:51 xdotcomm_: Apocalyptic: not the biggest but one of

05:21:53 Apocalyptic: xdotcomm_, these people don't really know what they are doing to begin with

05:22:05 Apocalyptic: somehow they got an idea

05:22:05 tg2: If you are running your Bitcoin empire on a vps shame on you

05:22:12 tg2: you deserve it

05:22:23 Apocalyptic: tg2, if on linode your deserve it twice as much ?

05:22:41 tg2: Hah, doubly!

05:22:51 Apocalyptic: BingoBoingo, I suspected as much

05:22:55 xdotcomm_: tg2: seriously ur report is good.. hopefully it will get some good peer reviews

05:23:06 tg2: Review on, peers

05:23:27 tg2: People get so bent out of shape without understanding manufacturing fundamentals

05:23:44 tg2: It's my good deed for the day

05:24:09 tg2: Ignorance is bliss unless you have a vested interest lol

05:24:35 Apocalyptic: I might be forced to conclude there is just no coin worth adding at this time

05:24:48 tg2: Apocalyptic, adding to...?

05:24:53 Apocalyptic: x-bt.com

05:24:55 Apocalyptic: my exchange

05:25:07 tg2: Who pen tested it

05:25:18 Apocalyptic: feel free to :) I did

05:25:23 tg2: if you're serious about it

05:25:40 tg2: I have some serious people that do white hat

05:25:40 Apocalyptic: i like to think i have a serious background in infosec

05:26:19 xdotcomm_: Apocalyptic: yea whats ur credin?

05:26:24 Apocalyptic: tg2, i have no issue if they wish to run some things

05:26:24 xdotcomm_: I always ask

05:26:29 tg2: Recon.cx boys, but they don't work for free

05:26:54 tg2: if there are some bitcoins in there don't worry somebody will pen test it for you

05:26:58 tg2: Lol

05:27:16 Apocalyptic: <tg2> if there are some bitcoins in there don't worry somebody will pen test it for you // there is a hot wallet

05:28:18 Apocalyptic: xdotcomm_, I used to be really into it, did some defcon level CTFs with a team

05:28:19 tg2: How is cold storage processing txns

05:28:30 Apocalyptic: mainly specialized in crypto and x86 reversing

05:28:33 xdotcomm_: Apocalyptic: github?

05:28:41 xdotcomm_: web is deifferent beast

05:28:48 Apocalyptic: web-based sec is kinda boring

05:29:00 xdotcomm_: Apocalyptic: u think that nginx is safe?

05:29:14 Apocalyptic: i think it's one of the best webservers

05:29:20 Apocalyptic: define safe

05:29:23 xdotcomm_: jquery.min.map

05:29:23 xdotcomm_: /js

05:29:23 xdotcomm_: GET

05:29:25 xdotcomm_: 404

05:29:27 xdotcomm_: Not Found

05:29:28 tg2: Nginx has no vulns known

05:29:29 xdotcomm_: text/html

05:29:31 xdotcomm_: Other

05:29:33 xdotcomm_: 341 B

05:29:35 xdotcomm_: 162 B

05:29:37 xdotcomm_: 526 ms

05:29:39 xdotcomm_: 524 ms

05:29:41 xdotcomm_: 524 ms1 ms

05:29:45 tg2: Shtap

05:29:45 xdotcomm_: missing files?

05:30:04 xdotcomm_: Cookie:PHPSESSID=j8i2u3e6khl9g839rl8dgh4u22

05:30:16 tg2: I don't think there has been a root vuln on nginx in a while

05:30:21 tg2: very mature core

05:30:27 xdotcomm_: tg2: that u know of

05:30:57 tg2: Never trust your webserver anyway

05:31:05 tg2: it's not a first class citizen

05:31:08 tg2: Jail

05:31:24 tg2: Make sure web app is coded properly

05:31:36 xdotcomm_: dont escape your queries

05:32:01 Apocalyptic: <xdotcomm_> jquery.min.map // where do you get this file ?

05:32:02 tg2: Lol

05:32:12 xdotcomm_: Apocalyptic: ur website it calls it

05:32:21 tg2: jquery requests it

05:32:27 tg2: grab from Google

05:32:34 xdotcomm_: event.returnValue is deprecated. Please use the standard event.preventDefault() instead. jquery.js:3

05:32:34 xdotcomm_: Failed to load resource: the server responded with a status of 404 (Not Found)

05:32:35 tg2: it's part of the split

05:32:47 tg2: when they split jquery min

05:32:55 tg2: They put some shit in map

05:33:09 xdotcomm_: spits shit in my chrome console

05:33:09 tg2: Had the same problem on a bootstrap site

05:33:42 tg2: What's the volume on x-bt?

05:33:50 Apocalyptic: depends on the market

05:34:03 xdotcomm_: Apocalyptic: y u use ovh dns?

05:34:04 Apocalyptic: the most active one is ATC/BTC thanks to asseteers here

05:34:32 tg2: Chicken and egg huh

05:34:34 Apocalyptic: xdotcomm_, cause ovh is where i registered it ?

05:34:44 xdotcomm_: sounds safe

05:34:48 tg2: Put darkcoin on it

05:34:51 Apocalyptic: (and no there is no ovh box in the infra)

05:35:13 xdotcomm_: 3rd party dns is always good

05:35:17 tg2: Ovh failover ip's make me rage so much

05:35:29 xdotcomm_: i recommend especially och

05:35:32 xdotcomm_: ovh

05:35:51 benkay: tg2: centralized trust exchange lolwutf?

05:35:51 tg2: but 399/mo for a dual e5v2 10core with 256G of ram is juicy

05:36:01 tg2: Decentralized

05:36:44 xdotcomm_: yea p2p exchange

05:36:48 xdotcomm_: wallet

05:36:49 tg2: Why are people retweeting my shit days later

05:37:03 tg2: Learn 2social bros

05:37:07 xdotcomm_: tg2: cause ur tweets are classic

05:37:57 tg2: They get cooler over time

05:38:09 xdotcomm_: like that gospel

05:38:48 tg2: I don't even think I'd trust ovh with wallet keys though

05:39:04 benkay: asserting: CheckDavid is ninjashogun

05:39:05 Apocalyptic: xdotcomm_, curiously enough the missing js file doesn't seem to prevent the js from running correctly

05:39:11 tg2: takes those fucks 2 days to give a new ripe block

05:39:31 Apocalyptic: <tg2> I don't even think I'd trust ovh with wallet keys though // probably wise

05:39:36 tg2: Smooth assertion

05:39:40 Apocalyptic: davout could elaborate on that

05:40:09 tg2: Who is that benkay?

05:40:21 xdotcomm_: Apocalyptic: just letting u know man.. I dont care either way.. I had an exchange with proper engine coded month ago... dont feel like launching it cause the paranoi is not the state i wanna be in 24/7

05:40:26 benkay: xdotcomm_: what is this report you mention?

05:40:34 benkay: tg2: before your time.

05:40:36 Apocalyptic: xdotcomm_, I know how you feel heh

05:40:41 tg2: Enlighten me

05:40:49 Apocalyptic: I can assure you my engine is properly coded too

05:41:00 xdotcomm_: Apocalyptic: how u match trades?

05:41:02 xdotcomm_: benkay: report?

05:41:15 Apocalyptic: it's been running for almost a year now, with a pause in summer

05:41:24 benkay: xdotcomm_: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-03-2014&bots=true#584749

05:41:26 tg2: Why no volume

05:41:37 Apocalyptic: ^ ask them alt traders

05:41:43 xdotcomm_: benkay: https://litecointalk.org/index.php?topic=17948.0

05:41:54 benkay: tg2: pay me.

05:41:59 xdotcomm_: haha

05:41:59 Apocalyptic: tg2, because they want to flit the new hotest scamcoin available ?

05:42:00 xdotcomm_: lol

05:42:04 xdotcomm_: its oepn asuce

05:42:05 benkay: tg2: or read logs. your call.

05:42:19 xdotcomm_: Apocalyptic: i mean what methods u use to match trades

05:42:20 tg2: I read them

05:42:35 BingoBoingo: For the newer readers, the complete list of Cryptocurrency blogs that matter http://fraudsters.com/2014/people-have-made-blogs/

05:42:37 xdotcomm_: and if u do it in c?

05:42:43 Apocalyptic: tg2, and get funds "stolen" like in coinex, cryptorush, openex and so on.. seems more fun i'm sure

05:42:56 xdotcomm_: trojancoins...

05:42:57 Apocalyptic: xdotcomm_, what methods ? It matches orders as it should match them

05:43:12 xdotcomm_: Apocalyptic: by time placed?

05:43:28 Apocalyptic: xdotcomm_, for the same price yes of course

05:43:59 Mats_cd03: we need some sort of fee to prevent dummies from typing in here

05:44:03 Apocalyptic: it's not time but ID if I recall, cause the time doesn't have enough granularity

05:44:20 Mats_cd03: seriously what is going on? "how to match trades with c"

05:44:36 xdotcomm_: Mats_cd03: do u even know what ur saying

05:45:06 Mats_cd03: no apparently im coked to the fucking gills

05:45:16 xdotcomm_: Mats_cd03: pass me ur supplier

05:45:59 xdotcomm_: for the noobs Mats_cd03 http://www.eurexchange.com/exchange-en/trading/market-model/matching-principles/

05:46:14 xdotcomm_: there is more then one way

05:46:31 xdotcomm_: you cant do it properly in php/js

05:46:42 benkay: Mats_cd03: just ignore everyone sub 1 in your Wot.

05:47:00 xdotcomm_: so either c or c++ would be the best way

05:47:05 BingoBoingo: xdotcomm_: What about GNU Guile?

05:47:15 xdotcomm_: I do it on my toaster typically

05:47:25 xdotcomm_: I trade penut butter for jelly

05:47:28 BingoBoingo: Or SBCL?

05:47:29 benkay: ;;gettrust tg2

05:47:41 benkay: haw

05:47:48 BingoBoingo: ;;gettrust chatquack

05:48:01 BingoBoingo: ;;gettrust xdotcomm_

05:48:09 xdotcomm_: I am level 0

05:48:11 xdotcomm_: !

05:48:21 BingoBoingo: ;;gettrust benkay

05:48:25 Mats_cd03: i dont have a wot yet benkay

05:48:42 tg2: Scrub level trust

05:49:00 BingoBoingo: ;;gettrust mircea_popescu

05:49:01 benkay: Mats_cd03: trust is complex and not solely dependent on wot

05:49:05 xdotcomm_: BingoBoingo: I trust tg2 how do i vte for him

05:49:15 benkay: har socks trusting socks trusting socks

05:49:22 benkay: you lurk

05:49:24 benkay: contribute

05:49:27 xdotcomm_: ok

05:49:32 tg2: 16156 days

05:49:33 benkay: exceed like 6 mos or something

05:49:34 tg2: Wat

05:49:54 benkay: identity is a function of raters, ratings and duration

05:49:58 tg2: That would make me a btc advocate before btc existed

05:50:20 benkay: methinks you miss the point.

05:50:28 benkay: computers have a hard time with infinity.

05:50:29 tg2: Hah ok give me 5 minutes I'll prove beyond a shadow of a doubt

05:50:35 benkay: prove what?

05:50:40 tg2: I'll pm you

05:50:41 benkay: that you can make a gpg key?

05:50:46 tg2: No, better

05:50:49 tg2: hold on

05:50:50 benkay: identity is a journey, not a hurdle.

05:51:31 tg2: Hold up lemme get a my sin out

05:51:34 benkay: (conj 'list-of-ninjashogun-suspected-socks 'tg2)

05:52:20 Apocalyptic: dem socks

05:52:21 benkay: i'm halfway expecting a satoshi hoard signature at this point, but that'd be too good.

05:52:26 Apocalyptic: haha

05:52:53 benkay: a vanity address from back in the day?

05:53:17 BingoBoingo: benkay: All to likely twist, Satoshi never mined to addresses he held private keys to

05:53:40 benkay: nigga please satoshi threw those keys away long ago

05:53:49 benkay: only way to ensure success

05:54:04 benkay: brother's way more interested in success than personal wealth

05:54:15 benkay: success = some crazy fn

05:54:23 BingoBoingo: ;;google the drinking record barrel fire

05:54:30 BingoBoingo: I am disapoint

05:54:33 benkay: dorp

05:54:43 benkay: that's what you get for relying on teh gewgs

05:54:59 BingoBoingo: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2013/10/14/a-proper-barrel-fire-a-secure-way-to-dispose-of-data-storage/

05:55:00 ozbot: A Proper Barrel Fire: A secure way to dispose of data storage | Bingo Blog

05:55:20 BingoBoingo: Prolly the post I am proudest of

06:00:00 xdotcomm_: where dem satoshi codes

06:02:18 tg2: inb4 satoshi sig

06:03:11 benkay: tg2: please dox yourself.

06:03:36 benkay: xdotcomm_: please dox yourself.

06:04:47 xdotcomm_: benkay: dox?

06:04:53 benkay: ;;ud dox

06:04:54 ozbot: Urban Dictionary: dox

06:05:00 benkay: don't make me google for you.

06:05:05 tg2: google on good sir

06:05:10 tg2: gewg it up

06:06:11 tg2: ain't nobody bending over backwards in here to prove who they are or aren't

06:06:14 benkay: was that intended to be from xdotcomm_, tg2?

06:06:21 tg2: take it for what it's worth

06:06:36 benkay: the vast majority of us are trivially doxxable.

06:06:45 tg2: dox on

06:06:53 benkay: no, that's not the point.

06:07:03 benkay: the point is confirming that this isn't a sustained social engineering attack.

06:07:11 xdotcomm_: lol

06:07:17 xdotcomm_: on what?

06:07:19 tg2: ok hold the phone

06:07:21 tg2: haha

06:07:25 tg2: i want to hear what this is we're attacking

06:07:28 tg2: lemme get some popcorn

06:07:39 BingoBoingo: ;;ident

06:07:40 xdotcomm_: i am going to watch bearing sea gold

06:07:49 tg2: lol

06:07:52 tg2: watch underice one

06:07:53 tg2: its good

06:07:53 BingoBoingo: ;;ident tg2

06:08:01 tg2: that ip is my netrange

06:08:04 BingoBoingo: ;;ident xdotcomm_

06:08:10 tg2: you'll see that it is in montreal

06:08:14 xdotcomm_: not really hiding

06:08:20 xdotcomm_: bell dsl

06:08:26 BingoBoingo: ;;ident benkay

06:08:27 tg2: super bell dsl proxies

06:08:42 benkay: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:86dbd1c410f4c909038fe2522989ebb330ba68bb7ead5be28b8a1eab

06:08:44 Apocalyptic: xdotcomm_, was that you that got banned from -dev some days ago because you were trying to build a dogecoin explorer and wanted to know how to get the "FROM address" ?

06:08:56 xdotcomm_: Apocalyptic: :)

06:08:57 tg2: bustedddd

06:09:04 xdotcomm_: he got me

06:09:04 tg2: you ended up getting it to work tho right

06:09:06 benkay: this is how this works

06:09:08 benkay: you either wot

06:09:10 benkay: or you walk

06:09:18 xdotcomm_: I am the doge guy i admit

06:09:23 BingoBoingo: ;;rated benkay

06:09:24 xdotcomm_: we come here to promote doge

06:09:28 Apocalyptic: I have a particulary good memory for nicks

06:09:33 benkay: ;;rated BingoBoingo

06:09:36 xdotcomm_: Makes sense

06:09:42 xdotcomm_: the dox system

06:09:45 xdotcomm_: let me know

06:09:45 benkay: ;;rated mircea_popescu

06:09:52 tg2: lemme just upload my passprot

06:09:52 xdotcomm_: Not hiding

06:09:55 benkay: ;;gettrust mircea_popescu

06:09:55 tg2: lez do it

06:10:06 BingoBoingo: ;;rated mircea_popescu

06:10:16 xdotcomm_: mtgox has my recent copy.. so does everyone else I get

06:10:19 BingoBoingo: ;;rated asciilifeform

06:10:21 benkay: ;;gettrust xdotcomm_

06:10:22 tg2: lol

06:10:29 benkay: ;;gettrust tg2

06:10:33 tg2: so you want us to wot up

06:10:43 benkay: us!

06:10:44 xdotcomm_: is there a how to on this?

06:10:48 benkay: what is this us?

06:10:50 Apocalyptic: <xdotcomm_> mtgox has my recent copy.. so does everyone else I get // a fair assumption

06:10:55 tg2: i know xdotcomm_

06:11:01 tg2: we're both active in crypto

06:11:10 benkay: a bold claim for unregistered handles.

06:11:19 tg2: I'm reg'd on freenode

06:11:21 xdotcomm_: there is crypto outside of bitcoin

06:11:30 benkay: yeah but this is bitcoin.

06:11:32 benkay: (sparta)

06:11:33 xdotcomm_: i am reged on freenode too

06:11:35 benkay: (bitcoin)

06:11:38 benkay: so am i

06:11:39 xdotcomm_: benkay: we come with gifts

06:11:41 benkay: big f'n whoop

06:11:43 tg2: so you just want us to reg on WOT?

06:11:48 Apocalyptic: tg2, so you're a doge promoter too ?

06:11:49 tg2: i don't see what that will achieve

06:11:54 benkay: no, you build an identity.

06:11:56 BingoBoingo: xdotcomm_: Well, did you do RSA? ECC?

06:12:01 benkay: there's about a light year of difference.

06:12:15 xdotcomm_: i do mostly brick and mortar security

06:12:21 tg2: ok I just dont' see why registering on WOT and vouching for eachotehr does anything if there is no trust to begin with

06:12:28 tg2: is that not the point of WOT?

06:12:28 benkay: precisely.

06:12:38 xdotcomm_: I dont mind WOT tbh

06:12:39 benkay: this doesn't change overnight.

06:12:45 tg2: I'll WOT Up

06:12:47 xdotcomm_: is there a how to?

06:12:50 benkay: ;;help

06:12:51 tg2: I'll wot you so hard

06:12:52 Apocalyptic: Bingo has one

06:13:01 tg2: gonna wot this bitch up so hard

06:13:02 benkay: ;;gpg

06:13:12 tg2: yall gonna be in my WOT in no time

06:13:28 benkay: great

06:13:32 benkay: welcome to the club

06:13:48 BingoBoingo: ;;google Bingo Blog GPG guide

06:14:22 xdotcomm_: !help

06:14:51 tg2: can I just use my email pgp that I already have?

06:14:55 tg2: or beter to reg a new one just for this?

06:14:57 tg2: or does it matter

06:15:12 benkay: all things worthy of consideration

06:15:21 benkay: tanstaafl

06:15:51 Apocalyptic: you can use whatever gpg key you have a private key for

06:15:54 xdotcomm_: ill doo this tomorow .. to seems complicated

06:16:18 BingoBoingo: ;;lasers

06:16:20 xdotcomm_: there is no short guide etc

06:16:23 tg2: is this necessary for anything?

06:16:29 benkay: only relevance, tg2.

06:16:31 xdotcomm_: to establish rappor

06:16:34 tg2: tbh trust is gained over time without pgp keys

06:16:42 BingoBoingo: tg2: If you have to ask you can't afford it.

06:16:45 xdotcomm_: so they dont think ur trolling them

06:16:52 tg2: shall we sport our pgp keys sir

06:16:59 Apocalyptic: http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/GPG_authentication

06:17:01 ozbot: GPG authentication - bitcoin-otc wiki

06:17:04 Mats_cd03: what a pair of cuties

06:17:22 tg2: if you guys only knew the half of what we do in crypto lol

06:17:26 Mats_cd03: do you have matching haircuts too

06:17:41 xdotcomm_: Mats_cd03: are u the resident troll?

06:17:43 tg2: i feel like a kid in a new school who has to proove that he's cool

06:17:48 tg2: this is great

06:17:54 tg2: I haven't felt this way in a long time

06:18:04 xdotcomm_: Mats_cd03: dont worry I wont take your spot

06:18:09 tg2: lol

06:18:29 bitcoinpete: are you boys on osx or windoze?

06:18:29 tg2: good thought experiment though, how can two people prove they are in fact different people!

06:18:32 tg2: skype 3 way call?

06:18:45 tg2: hard to impersonate 2 different people simultaneously!

06:18:59 xdotcomm_: bitcoinpete: i am on my 3d printer

06:19:17 BingoBoingo: tg2: Each of you writes a secret string on your taint and uploads pics

06:19:18 benkay: the operating theory is that there are two warm bodies behind this.

06:19:23 xdotcomm_: this is going to happen ... alts are falling we going back to the basics

06:19:23 tg2: there are

06:19:30 tg2: I don't see what we're being accused of yet

06:19:37 xdotcomm_: get used it ... more noobs are coming

06:19:39 Mats_cd03: tg2: actually i am benkay BingoBoingo bitcoinpete and Apocalyptic

06:19:40 tg2: other than being friends IRL and being in this chan and both having projects in crypto

06:19:47 Mats_cd03: its sockpuppets all the way up, sucka

06:19:55 tg2: fuck props for being able to juggle that ;D

06:19:56 BingoBoingo: ;;ident Mats_cd03

06:20:03 tg2: there are 2 people in here

06:20:04 tg2: lol

06:20:04 BingoBoingo: Mats_cd03: Seems you arent

06:20:08 tg2: just a huge myriad of conversations

06:20:12 Apocalyptic: <xdotcomm_> get used it ... more noobs are coming // can't wait

06:20:14 tg2: I'd be impressed

06:20:47 Mats_cd03: its not that youre new, or that you have to be cool

06:20:52 tg2: what else is there to do when you have an IQ of 180 other than sock puppet with yourself

06:20:54 xdotcomm_: Apocalyptic: u seem chill we actually did productive stuff

06:20:54 tg2: amirite

06:20:57 Mats_cd03: youre boring

06:21:08 Apocalyptic: not denying you did

06:21:47 xdotcomm_: I am on the crypto grind 24/7 making blockchain explorers while getting head in blockchain explorers

06:22:05 xdotcomm_: and for reals I am super easy to find verify.. I live a public life

06:22:05 bitcoinpete: i like how there's this whole "why wot, why pgp" when i just wrote a fucking article on it 3 hours ago

06:22:08 tg2: just not on block-explorer cause that shit is slow ass fuck

06:22:29 tg2: bitcoinpete, link?

06:22:31 benkay: xdotcomm_: so dox yourself - what's so hard?!

06:22:42 benkay: do you need me to go first?

06:22:44 tg2: what will doxing get?

06:22:55 Apocalyptic: a cookie

06:22:57 tg2: approval from internet strangers

06:22:59 tg2: shit sign me up

06:23:02 tg2: vying so hard

06:23:20 benkay: either you don't get it or you're trolling hard

06:23:32 bitcoinpete: tg2: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-03-2014#584236

06:23:38 benkay: but an amelioration of the suspicion that you're a ninjashogun alt

06:24:34 bitcoinpete: tg2: if you don't need internet strangers and the feeling is mutual, there's really no need

06:24:41 BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: Consider this an oral defense

06:24:56 tg2: well, sadly, xdotcomm_ is the only one that can vouch that I'm not him haha

06:25:07 tg2: and well, ninjashogun himself

06:25:08 benkay: an utterly unremarkable claim.

06:25:22 tg2: yeah, ubt again, I don't really have much motivation to prove otherwise

06:25:24 benkay: from utterly untrustworthy handles.

06:25:25 Apocalyptic: tg2, so you know the ninja guy IRL too ?

06:25:26 tg2: so I guess that's that

06:25:33 tg2: define IRL

06:25:36 BingoBoingo: tg2: You can each write a unique message with a sharpie on your cheeks stick in in your pooper and post pics

06:25:39 tg2: i have chatted with him on skype

06:25:44 BingoBoingo: Time honored alternative to GPG

06:25:44 tg2: and spoken to him on skype

06:25:56 tg2: BingoBoingo, sharpie in pooper

06:25:58 tg2: legit ident

06:26:00 tg2: haha

06:26:01 bitcoinpete: bingoboingo: lol priceless

06:26:01 BingoBoingo: Yeah

06:26:09 Apocalyptic: it actually happened

06:26:09 tg2: x might be down

06:26:11 tg2: careful with that fuck

06:26:13 BingoBoingo: It happesn all the time here

06:26:24 tg2: yeah this is /b/ and we're summerfags

06:26:27 tg2: lemme just go grab my sharpie

06:26:29 tg2: and get right back

06:26:40 benkay: springfags, but right idea.

06:26:41 BingoBoingo: tg2: he grabs his as well

06:26:57 BingoBoingo: ;;google really buttcoins nao

06:27:03 xdotcomm_: do i just need past my linked in page?

06:27:08 xdotcomm_: fuck

06:27:09 benkay: ;;ident bitcoinpete

06:27:14 tg2: anyway, I guess the end result is that I'm fine if you think I'm someobdy I'm not, that is really up to you and no amount of unaged, unverified pgp can change that

06:27:14 Mats_cd03: have you considered that these two are minors and we're all about to be complicit in child pornography?

06:27:20 xdotcomm_: had to much vodka today

06:27:22 tg2: so I guess I'll just reenforce it alternatively

06:27:30 xdotcomm_: We are not miners

06:27:32 bitcoinpete: ;;everify bitcoinpete

06:27:36 xdotcomm_: oh wait we do mine

06:27:45 xdotcomm_: u still mine tg?

06:27:53 tg2: 400mh says I do

06:28:00 xdotcomm_: damn

06:28:00 tg2: my hydro bill says I do

06:28:09 tg2: my darkcion wallet says I do

06:28:11 tg2: so yeah

06:28:13 tg2: guilty

06:28:20 bitcoinpete: ;;gpg eauth bitcoinpete

06:28:38 benkay: see tg2 xdotcomm_? it's not hard.

06:28:41 xdotcomm_: do they just want my linkedin or what the fuck is this dox?

06:28:46 tg2: lol

06:28:56 tg2: I donno, honestly the level of tinfoil hattery in here is beyond comprehension

06:28:56 benkay: it's called an immune system.

06:28:57 bitcoinpete: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:9654ce03645baa8e57db4260daa60d895ce8ac0a08f399eece104276

06:29:13 benkay: it's not a hard bar to cross

06:29:15 tg2: isn't this why we have nickserv ;\

06:29:20 benkay: your reluctance is highly suspicious

06:29:21 xdotcomm_: are we applying for bitcoin credit cards?

06:29:34 xdotcomm_: benkay: dude like can u go step by step?

06:29:36 benkay: bitcoinpete got loans with a simple ;;ident

06:29:36 tg2: I just don't see the point, but i guess if you want to see a pgp key that I just gneerated

06:29:43 tg2: and if that will somehow make you at ease

06:29:45 tg2: lol

06:29:54 benkay: still, sadly missing the point.

06:29:57 bitcoinpete: ;;ident bitcoinpete

06:30:19 benkay: identity being f(raters, ratings, duration)

06:30:25 tg2: yes

06:30:26 xdotcomm_: I kind of get it but i am to drunk to figure ouot this shit now

06:30:26 benkay: y'all ain't getting anywhere on your first noisy night here.

06:30:37 xdotcomm_: true

06:30:38 benkay: xdotcomm_: you sound just like ughlol!

06:30:45 BingoBoingo: xdotcomm_: You aren't applying for credit even, you are applying for citizenry

06:30:49 benkay: such conciliatory.

06:30:51 benkay: wow

06:30:57 tg2: hahaha, man i'm gonna pgp up just to shut you guys up

06:30:58 xdotcomm_: can i come back tommorow

06:31:00 tg2: this is fucking hillariosu

06:31:11 bitcoinpete: xdotcomm_ linkedin? srly? http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2014#581562

06:31:11 benkay: no permaban

06:31:34 BingoBoingo: Seriously though, compliance isn't that hard for others i.imgur.com/yQ52mP7.jpg and i.imgur.com/o08heoV.jpg

06:31:38 tg2: lemme koolaid this php up

06:32:28 benkay: don't forget the === i'm serious bro operator

06:32:28 bitcoinpete: benkey: ughlol^2

06:32:42 BingoBoingo: benkay: ====

06:32:47 BingoBoingo: !=====

06:32:49 benkay: =======

06:33:23 tg2: binary safe

06:33:44 benkay: ;;google bitcoin electoral

06:33:56 benkay: ;;google bitcoin election fraudsters

06:34:27 xdotcomm_: benkay: not acting like a bro

06:34:34 benkay: xdotcomm_: http://fraudsters.com/2013/bitcoin-as-replacement-for-the-electoral-system/

06:34:37 benkay: there you go

06:34:51 benkay: you want to bitch about 'freedom' and 'not being a bitch'?

06:34:54 Mats_cd03: fucking BingoBoingo

06:34:56 benkay: do like 6 months of reading.

06:35:07 Mats_cd03: first photo was meh, didnt anticipate hairy butthole with the second

06:35:29 bitcoinpete: BingoBoingo: damn, those are some fucking buttcoins

06:35:40 BingoBoingo: Mats_cd03: Maybe I overpaid, but I resolved a sockpuppet situation in the past

06:36:09 BingoBoingo: This is really the only non-GPG to almost establish separate identities

06:36:27 benkay: either gpg, or sharpie in the pooper.

06:36:41 bitcoinpete: yeshiva, sabbatical, whateverthefuck: 6 months minimum https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ekqsHP9Sck

06:36:49 Mats_cd03: was there some sort of condition involving an i dotted with a heart, and a sharpie?

06:37:01 BingoBoingo: Mats_cd03: Prolly

06:37:34 BingoBoingo: I was spreading the wealth from this win http://bitbet.us/bet/113/bitbet-will-we-worth-more-than-satoshi-dice/

06:37:39 MisterE: how to randomize MAC addy of a Mac at reboot?

06:38:15 tg2: fk sakes, tg2 is too short for pgp name

06:38:50 benkay: some deep crypto asspert.

06:38:55 bitcoinpete: BingoBoingo: nice takedown

06:39:07 Mats_cd03: with a script maybe MisterE

06:39:31 MisterE: yea found it

06:39:38 BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: Putting a bet on that was one of my earliest in chan actions here

06:39:41 MisterE: http://osxdaily.com/2008/01/17/how-to-spoof-your-mac-address-in-mac-os-x/

06:39:41 ozbot: How to Spoof your MAC address in Mac OS X

06:40:09 bitcoinpete: tg2: don't shorten it, use the full TiredGoat2

06:40:16 BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: I liked bitbet and found dice boring so when dared by kakobrekla I put 1 BTC on yes

06:40:17 Apocalyptic: haha

06:41:33 BingoBoingo: I dun really understand what is so hard about using the Buttcoin protocol to establish unique warm bodies behind nicks

06:42:03 bitcoinpete: BingoBoingo: solid. i bet on both sides of a couple recently. first go

06:42:06 BingoBoingo: Prolly could defeat it by outsourcing to fiver even

06:42:24 bitcoinpete: it's all about the protocol

06:42:47 bitcoinpete: we can have smart contracts that self-insert sharpies

06:43:12 BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: Sounds like ethereum bullshit

06:43:34 benkay: BingoBoingo gets it

06:43:38 bitcoinpete: and decentralized exchanges that sell buttcoin options

06:43:50 benkay: i'd like to buy a put buttcoin option please

06:44:08 Mats_cd03: is ethereum the new ripple hotness?

06:44:22 benkay: ethereum: the open buttcorn exchange

06:44:23 bitcoinpete: benkay: we have a 2 for 1 deal on at the moment, how many can i put you down for?

06:44:30 Apocalyptic: kinda Mats_cd03

06:45:00 tg2: > Ticker queries bitcoin pricing based on mtgox.com's history.

06:45:02 tg2: ahan

06:45:16 bitcoinpete: which is the new OT afaik

06:45:21 benkay: i'll buy an option to put one sharpie in the poopers of tg2 and xdotcomm_ each or 1 option to put 2 sharpies in either of their poopers

06:45:30 bitcoinpete: haha

06:46:07 benkay: you are free of course to sell them the call options balancing

06:46:35 bitcoinpete: that's basically just the ink in their buttpens

06:46:57 BingoBoingo: To make this market more interesting and establish some serious I will take 1 Sharpie in my pooper for 2.5 BTC

06:47:01 MisterE: BingoBoingo: tg2: You can each write a unique message with a sharpie on your cheeks stick in in your pooper and post pics // Finally a succinct explanation of 2-factor auth!

06:47:05 bitcoinpete: reloadable cartridges.

06:47:05 benkay: we have a taker!

06:47:29 MisterE: no giving feels better

06:47:38 benkay: BingoBoingo is selling puts at 2.5 for 1 sharpie in 1 pooper

06:47:49 bitcoinpete: MisterE: let's see nic cary give that one away!

06:48:02 benkay: given put call parity we should expect to see 5 B for 2 sharpies in 1 pooper

06:48:28 benkay: or rather we'd want to see someone willing to put down 5B for 2 sharpies in 1 pooper

06:49:18 bitcoinpete: c'mon, loosen up those pursestrings people!

06:49:41 benkay: poopstrings

06:49:48 bitcoinpete: heh

06:49:51 MisterE: the relationship of BTC to Sharpies is logarithmic

06:50:23 benkay: ;;ident tg2

06:50:32 BingoBoingo: ;;ident

06:51:07 MisterE: no -otc for you eh?

06:51:41 benkay: ;;ident MisterE

06:51:53 benkay: oooooooooooh

06:52:20 MisterE: :p

06:52:26 MisterE: ;;auth

06:52:38 MisterE: been a while :p

06:52:48 MisterE: ;;eauth mistere

06:53:26 benkay: tg2: you see this?

06:53:33 benkay: this is what we call a shibboleth.

06:53:39 benkay: that with which you are unable to penetrate the sanctum.

06:53:45 benkay: without* which

06:55:01 BingoBoingo: To keep things interesting I would take one sharpie and my favorite cross pen in my worst parts for 2.75 BTC

06:55:31 bitcoinpete: i wonder how much assbot would do it for

06:55:45 BingoBoingo: ;;assbot insert sharpie

06:55:51 BingoBoingo: ;;insert

06:55:57 bitcoinpete: lol

06:56:06 bitcoinpete: we need to change that

06:56:54 BingoBoingo: tg2: The moral of the story is that with WoT you can make and accept offers

06:57:07 BingoBoingo: Your authenticated word being as good as a contract.

06:57:14 MisterE: ^

06:57:55 BingoBoingo: With out it, you just are only as much better than noise as you can create arguments, but you still lack the ability to affirm any comittments

06:58:09 bitcoinpete: smart contract require smart people not smart machines

06:58:28 bitcoinpete: contracts*

06:58:32 xdotcomm_: I run alot of porn sites

06:58:36 tg2: I get the concept

06:58:41 bitcoinpete: this isn't ethereum

06:59:13 tg2: I just didn't see how this would immediately satisfy benkay's accusation

06:59:23 tg2: which it still doesn't :0

06:59:24 benkay: only time will do that.

06:59:27 tg2: anyway

06:59:33 tg2: I'm submitting it now to the registry

06:59:36 benkay: and not acting like ninjashogun.

06:59:37 tg2: my old pgp was expired

06:59:43 BingoBoingo: tg2: Well for you it doesn't quite, not in the way Buttcoins do

06:59:44 benkay: much crypto.

06:59:45 xdotcomm_: i catch tg on my gay sites all the time

07:00:13 tg2: I only watch them cause I like to see porn with you in it

07:00:15 xdotcomm_: tg2: i actually revealed my info

07:00:23 tg2: where

07:00:31 xdotcomm_: in private message

07:00:34 xdotcomm_: i dont care

07:00:37 tg2: what info

07:00:39 xdotcomm_: not hard to find me

07:00:40 tg2: you are me

07:00:44 tg2: member

07:00:45 xdotcomm_: lol just myself

07:00:48 tg2: :D

07:00:56 tg2: ok so if we're both socks, then that should identify both of us, right?

07:00:58 tg2: ;)

07:01:04 benkay: gents the accusation was "two warm bodies"

07:01:04 xdotcomm_: ur info is not mine to reveal

07:01:06 bitcoinpete: oh my sides

07:01:08 tg2: you still have to post sharpie in wife's ass

07:01:09 tg2: I'll do the same

07:01:19 xdotcomm_: keeping family out of this

07:01:23 tg2: come on

07:01:26 tg2: we'll swap

07:01:29 xdotcomm_: seriously

07:01:29 bitcoinpete: tg2 you have a wife?

07:01:33 tg2: almost 30

07:01:37 tg2: time to get into wife swapping

07:01:48 tg2: bitcoinpete - only one, yes

07:01:59 tg2: this nigga over here tkaing notes

07:02:00 tg2: lol

07:02:16 MisterE: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:64cc01d806a3a90a79e37d07c938af251d0e6c9bd6c0f087a087a67d

07:02:17 bitcoinpete: tg2: that's kinda below average here

07:02:35 tg2: is having a wife a luxury not afforded to the bitcoin elite?

07:02:44 tg2: chicks dig crypto

07:02:57 tg2: bitches can't get enough of my doge coins

07:02:57 MisterE: I've done the time but not the crime

07:03:04 BingoBoingo: Well, generally the singular is undershooting things by MP standards

07:03:05 benkay: some of us have wives

07:03:14 benkay: some of us have more than one partner

07:03:21 tg2: >partner

07:03:21 benkay: some of us are foreveralone

07:03:24 xdotcomm_: some of us are gay

07:03:24 tg2: amgibuity

07:03:27 tg2: detected

07:03:29 xdotcomm_: or trans

07:03:39 tg2: some of us have a realdoll

07:03:41 MisterE: some have a wife and also a "small wife"

07:03:45 xdotcomm_: transcending into the blockchain

07:03:46 bitcoinpete: tg2: i'm sure your bitches love taking cruises in your doge-nascar-impala

07:03:47 tg2: I have kids

07:03:54 tg2: and a wife

07:03:56 MisterE: no kids here

07:03:59 tg2: its terrible

07:04:05 tg2: this chat is publicly logged

07:04:05 MisterE: I can only imagine

07:04:07 tg2: and I say that openly

07:04:10 MisterE: yes

07:04:18 MisterE: forever attributable to you

07:04:22 tg2: and nobody can reproach me for it

07:04:26 MisterE: heh

07:04:34 bitcoinpete: MisterE: not until tg2 is in the wot lol

07:04:36 tg2: its ok nobody can prove its me... *submits pgp key*

07:04:42 tg2: lol

07:04:48 MisterE: hehe

07:05:09 tg2: shit the only sharpie I have is one of those big commercial ones

07:05:11 tg2: wat do

07:05:20 tg2: gribble pls

07:05:36 bitcoinpete: tg2 work your way up

07:05:49 tg2: your nick is really familliar bitcoinpete

07:05:58 MisterE: ;;later tell tg2 to start with the small end...

07:06:24 xdotcomm_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dedovshchina

07:06:24 ozbot: Dedovshchina - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

07:06:31 benkay: take it slow, tg2

07:06:39 tg2: do I take the cap off

07:06:40 bitcoinpete: tg2: yup

07:06:51 benkay: kids don't do anal 'cause they don't got the patience.

07:07:10 xdotcomm_: Dedovshchina involves a spectrum of subordinating or humiliating activities performed by the junior ranks: from carrying out chores of the senior ranks to violent and sometimes lethal physical and psychological abuse, being not unlike an extremely vicious form of bullying or even torture. It is often cited as a major source of poor morale in the ranks.

07:07:55 tg2: its called hazing

07:08:00 xdotcomm_: The term is derived from "ded" (Russian: дед, meaning grandfather), which is the Russian Army army slang equivalent of gramps, meaning soldiers at their third (or fourth, which is also known as "dembel" (Russian: дембель), stemming from a vulgarization of the word "demobilization" (Russian: демобилизация) - this word is erroneously used by soldiers to name the event of resigning from

07:08:00 xdotcomm_: the army; this event is also called by soldiers "dembel" or "DMB" (Russian: ДМБ)) half-year of conscription, with the suffix -shchina which designates a type of order, rule, or regime (compare Yezhovshchina, Zhdanovshchina). Thus it can literally be translated as "rule of the grandfathers." This is essentially a folk system of seniority based on stage of service, mostly not backed by code or law, which

07:08:00 xdotcomm_: only grants seniority to conscripts promoted to various Sergeant and Efreitor ranks.

07:08:01 bitcoinpete: oof survey sez: "we not happy"

07:08:05 tg2: its called being a wrothless summerfag

07:08:16 xdotcomm_: just how it feels

07:08:22 xdotcomm_: not a fan of that

07:08:30 tg2: oh come on, submit to it

07:08:34 tg2: submit to others will

07:08:44 tg2: its in your defiant russian blood to do so

07:08:46 tg2: ;D

07:08:49 benkay: tg2 how long does it take to whip up a gpg key?

07:08:53 tg2: so fast

07:08:57 bitcoinpete: it's like watching me, myself, and irene

07:09:03 tg2: finding the proper directory to submit it to

07:09:03 xdotcomm_: yea i can do it but then where do i put it?

07:09:04 benkay: ;;ident tg2

07:09:18 tg2: on my android phone

07:09:22 tg2: its going well

07:09:26 benkay: hahahahahahahahahahahahahah

07:09:28 tg2: lol

07:09:38 benkay: what the first one expired

07:09:47 benkay: now you're typing at lightning speed on your android phone

07:09:49 tg2: last time I used a pgp key

07:09:57 bitcoinpete: ;;google bitcoin pgp otc

07:09:58 tg2: well its that or use windows

07:10:08 tg2: or ssh

07:10:36 tg2: its... so late... benkay-san

07:10:46 benkay: try again tomorrow.

07:10:48 tg2: please take pity on me... i cannot submit so fast..

07:10:59 xdotcomm_: -bash: gpg: command not found

07:11:03 tg2: lol

07:11:05 benkay: no pity.

07:11:05 tg2: r u srs

07:11:06 benkay: only gpg.

07:11:16 tg2: dorian incident

07:11:17 benkay: no feels.

07:11:19 benkay: only crypt.

07:11:23 benkay: crypto.

07:11:23 bitcoinpete: and 6 months of hard logs

07:11:25 tg2: -> EVERYBODY MUST USE PGP AT LAL TIMes NO EXCEPTIONS

07:11:47 tg2: >implying that the internet forgets about it after 6 months

07:11:47 benkay: actually most of us run naked until interlopers appear derping around.

07:11:49 xdotcomm_: the link to OSx guide has expire domain

07:11:54 bitcoinpete: not everybody, just people

07:12:01 tg2: osx

07:12:01 tg2: lol

07:12:03 xdotcomm_: http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/GPG_authentication

07:12:05 ozbot: GPG authentication - bitcoin-otc wiki

07:12:05 tg2: there's your problem

07:12:12 xdotcomm_: Mac OS X guide with pictures by Drcross.

07:12:15 tg2: that wiki is straight shit btw

07:12:19 xdotcomm_: fucking domain expired

07:12:22 tg2: lol

07:12:24 xdotcomm_: amateur hour shit

07:12:26 tg2: > osx

07:12:33 tg2: > O S X

07:12:37 xdotcomm_: i need to find a linux box

07:12:37 tg2: i think i spotted your problem

07:12:40 tg2: i'm going to do it befor eyou do

07:12:41 tg2: on my phone

07:12:51 tg2: maybe you can use your smartphone...

07:12:54 tg2: or

07:13:00 tg2: mmmmmmmmm yeah.

07:13:06 xdotcomm_: u mean do it on phone and computer since we are the same person

07:13:12 tg2: yeah realtalk

07:13:17 xdotcomm_: octoniggaz

07:13:17 tg2: use your (my) android phone

07:13:23 tg2: instead of your (my) iphone

07:13:25 bitcoinpete: we need a parimutuel bet on who gets it done first

07:13:33 tg2: bitbet

07:13:39 tg2: xdotcomm_ has a sick betting site in teh works

07:13:40 tg2: yall gonna love it

07:13:43 xdotcomm_: http://ww2.dylblog.com/2011/06/05/how-to-join-in-with-bitcoin-otc-the-easy-way-osx/

07:13:51 xdotcomm_: tg2: thanks for outing bro

07:13:51 benkay: bitcoinpete: it's a badbet, they're in cahoots.

07:14:01 xdotcomm_: we are same person

07:14:03 tg2: you bet on whether or not you're going to get your money back

07:14:03 benkay: lzolzozlzolzol betting site in bitcoin

07:14:11 tg2: you send

07:14:14 benkay: lzolzozlzo no gpg

07:14:14 tg2: if you win, you get it back

07:14:15 tg2: if not, no

07:14:21 Mats_cd03: id put a sharpie in my butt for you

07:14:22 benkay: get the fuck out of my face

07:14:23 Apocalyptic: sounds like bitbet

07:14:26 Mats_cd03: for free

07:14:30 MisterE: solid analysis tg2 thanks

07:14:45 MisterE: it's a rapidly moving target

07:14:49 tg2: its never wrong

07:14:55 tg2: fudnamentally it can never be wrong

07:15:00 tg2: unlike benkay

07:15:03 MisterE: heh

07:15:05 xdotcomm_: seiosly

07:15:11 tg2: and xdotcomm_'s typing

07:15:12 xdotcomm_: who does the guide http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/GPG_authentication

07:15:17 tg2: it is shit

07:15:18 tg2: that guide

07:15:24 xdotcomm_: MAC osx link is broken

07:15:26 tg2: it is there to prevent others

07:15:28 tg2: from using pgp

07:15:28 benkay: too complicated for you two?

07:15:30 MisterE: yea was thinking this too

07:15:34 MisterE: minutes ago

07:15:37 tg2: its some kind of sick twisted game

07:15:41 tg2: where they tell everybody to use PGP

07:15:41 bitcoinpete: ;;google gpg tools tutorial

07:15:46 tg2: then the guide purposly oomits the parts you need to know

07:15:48 benkay: pgp, gpg

07:15:52 benkay: what's the difference anyways

07:15:55 MisterE: cli is easiest no fucking around

07:16:01 bitcoinpete: there's your osx. fuck

07:16:01 benkay: man pages

07:16:04 benkay: what are even that?

07:16:07 tg2: WHY DONT THEY HAVE A WINDOWS XP GUI

07:16:19 tg2: IM GONNA WRITE AN ANGRY EMAIL (unsigned of course) ABOUTT HIS MATTER

07:16:20 benkay: ^^ widows crypto asspert

07:16:28 benkay: assperters

07:16:30 Mats_cd03: ya really

07:16:30 MisterE: MSCE too

07:16:37 tg2: benkay - I hope we meet IRL some time

07:16:39 benkay: certified microsoft scrum officer

07:16:39 MisterE: MCSE*

07:16:39 xdotcomm_: i am downloading a suite

07:16:48 benkay: threats of violence

07:16:49 benkay: novel

07:16:57 tg2: >implying I didn't mean for beers

07:17:05 tg2: I have more resepect for people I dislike than those I get along with

07:17:08 tg2: ask xdotcomm_

07:17:13 xdotcomm_: hahah

07:17:15 tg2: lol

07:17:16 benkay: come down to portland

07:17:23 benkay: it's just a train ride away

07:17:31 bitcoinpete: is spring in portland yet?

07:17:33 benkay: hack in the living room with the fellas

07:17:34 tg2: i herd blowjobs are cheap there

07:17:36 MisterE: heh I have family there

07:17:38 tg2: supply and demand thing

07:17:39 xdotcomm_: he will come and like buy u beers for pissing him off in the chat

07:17:40 MisterE: hey!

07:17:57 benkay: yeah men are in short supply

07:17:57 tg2: beers?!

07:18:08 tg2: actually

07:18:14 xdotcomm_: maybe just 1

07:18:17 tg2: there is a good brewpub there

07:18:23 xdotcomm_: i dunno depends on exchange rate

07:18:23 MisterE: several

07:18:26 tg2: that I wanted to visit

07:18:29 MisterE: whole craft scene

07:18:31 tg2: one in particular on the drive down from here

07:18:38 tg2: has like 400 bottles on tap

07:18:44 tg2: or 400 bottles *

07:18:46 tg2: and 80 taps

07:18:46 MisterE: McMennimens?

07:18:55 MisterE: sp?

07:19:00 tg2: hold on lemme find it

07:19:04 tg2: you do a x month thing

07:19:12 tg2: where you drink all sorts of varieties

07:19:14 tg2: then you get your cert

07:19:22 moiety: ;; wtf sauce please gribble

07:19:27 tg2: (only after providing gpg obviously)

07:19:37 MisterE: http://www.mcmenamins.com/

07:19:38 ozbot: McMenamins - Pubs, Breweries and Historic Hotels in Oregon and Washington

07:19:51 MisterE: lol

07:19:54 xdotcomm_: “GPG Keychain Access” would like to access your contacts.

07:19:56 benkay: mcmen's a shit

07:19:59 xdotcomm_: wtf

07:19:59 tg2: lol

07:20:00 xdotcomm_: y

07:20:02 tg2: please

07:20:03 benkay: what you want is bailey's taproom

07:20:03 tg2: tell me

07:20:06 tg2: you are not being serious

07:20:08 benkay: the app for which my shop made

07:20:14 MisterE: yea mams is like a chain

07:20:15 tg2: if not, props cause my jimmies are on the moon

07:20:22 BingoBoingo: ;;fsck

07:20:23 tg2: if so, holy fuck your jimmies are on the moon

07:20:23 MisterE: so wondering what else you mean that big?

07:20:32 moiety: benkay, MisterE: ever tried BrewDog?

07:20:49 MisterE: no I haven't been back to the US for a few years now

07:20:52 benkay: moiety: nope. too much good local stuff for imports

07:21:00 MisterE: and even then just a few weeks

07:21:31 Mats_cd03: po-po got you on the run?

07:21:42 moiety: benkay, fair point, its local to me lol. if you ever do come across it, it's really good

07:21:51 MisterE: naaw dawg nobody gonna find me here

07:22:18 benkay: tg2: i'm nowhere near so abrasive in person

07:22:19 BingoBoingo: Oh, scammer pumping http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/03/meet-the-manic-miner-who-wants-to-mint-10-of-all-new-bitcoins/

07:22:46 tg2: it would be difficult for that to be a false statement without breaking some field of physics

07:22:58 bitcoinpete: it's been a laugh, goodnight all

07:23:03 xdotcomm_: ok i read this http://support.gpgtools.org/kb/how-to/first-steps-where-do-i-start-where-do-i-begin

07:23:03 benkay: night bitcoinpete

07:23:11 xdotcomm_: now how i plug it in to irc?

07:23:12 tg2: lolllll ok stop

07:23:16 benkay: thing is, there are cultural mores over which you're trampling tonight tg2

07:23:19 tg2: putty into a linux server

07:23:47 benkay: consider it an immune response. nothing personal.

07:23:47 tg2: http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/GPG_authentication

07:23:49 tg2: follow that

07:23:49 ozbot: GPG authentication - bitcoin-otc wiki

07:24:12 moiety: BingoBoingo: jesus, 1.4million? o.o article does make me love rpi a wee bit more

07:24:35 BingoBoingo: moiety: That Dave is a known scammer

07:24:42 xdotcomm_: Please select what kind of key you want:

07:24:42 xdotcomm_: (1) RSA and RSA (default)

07:24:43 xdotcomm_: (2) DSA and Elgamal

07:24:44 MisterE: surely leased hashing is a scam in an d of itself?

07:24:44 xdotcomm_: (3) DSA (sign only)

07:24:46 tg2: I'm not oblivious to that

07:24:46 xdotcomm_: (4) RSA (sign only)

07:24:51 tg2: shtap

07:24:59 tg2: learn2pastebin

07:25:19 tg2: I'll gen one for you k

07:25:25 tg2: i'll keep the private key REALLLLL SAFE

07:25:26 benkay: oh man

07:25:28 tg2: lolll

07:25:43 benkay: troll so hard motherfuckers wan' byte me

07:25:43 tg2: <signed> guys i'm so gay

07:25:48 moiety: BingoBoingo: he does look like a total gimp

07:26:25 moiety: xdotcomm_: and now you see the benefit of not reading a quick guide. all questions answered.

07:27:32 benkay: funny

07:27:53 benkay: i was just talking to some friends earlier today about how the right way to learn how to gpg correctly was to take a week and read the manual.

07:28:00 benkay: seems like nobody has a week to learn a tool anymore.

07:28:13 benkay: anyone in this channel ever use a mill?

07:28:15 moiety: nah one evening with BingoBoingo does it perfectly

07:28:18 tg2: week? people dont read an article past the 2nd sentence

07:28:21 benkay: lathe, maybe?

07:28:24 tg2: why do you think upworthy.com is so popular

07:28:30 tg2: its a youtube video and 2 sentences

07:28:32 benkay: moiety: you're a little smarter than the average babe.

07:28:33 tg2: 1.5M fb likes

07:28:48 BingoBoingo: benkay: Grandpa used a bandsaw...

07:28:58 tg2: xdotcomm_ can build a 3d printer from scratch

07:28:59 benkay: GP teach you how to use it?

07:29:11 benkay: tg2: doesn't matter if he can't make money with if.

07:29:12 benkay: it*

07:29:23 BingoBoingo: benkay: Nah, he lost too many finger parts

07:29:34 benkay: haw

07:29:40 benkay: finger parts

07:30:05 xdotcomm_: ;;gpg eauth xdotcommer

07:30:14 xdotcomm_: ;;gpg eauth xdotcomm_

07:30:15 moiety: lol

07:30:29 xdotcomm_: ;;gpg register xdotcommer

07:30:30 benkay: you can play with gribble in private to avoid humiliating yourself, xdotcomm_

07:31:09 benkay: aw shit

07:31:19 benkay: woulda been more fun to watch him flail

07:31:20 xdotcomm_: i fucking drank man

07:31:24 benkay: dude

07:31:25 benkay: go to sleep

07:31:33 xdotcomm_: first time dis pgp shit

07:31:34 benkay: don't fuck with keys when you're not sober

07:31:40 xdotcomm_: i aint got nothing to hide

07:31:42 benkay: keys are serious business.

07:31:56 xdotcomm_: i already uploaded it to rapidshare for tg2

07:31:58 moiety: i learned gpg steaming drunk too.

07:32:13 benkay: daww moiety why don't you play with me wasted?

07:32:31 benkay: i have duct tape...

07:32:43 moiety: lolol ^

07:32:49 moiety: win

07:33:35 Apocalyptic: and we have a winner

07:33:42 tg2: ;;help

07:33:45 joecool: xdotcomm_: you sellin?

07:33:47 tg2: ;; verify

07:33:48 benkay: moiety's special tho

07:33:51 tg2: ;; everify

07:33:53 moiety: i try to behave in here, mostly

07:33:54 Apocalyptic: ;;ident tg2

07:33:56 tg2: anyway i'm verified

07:33:57 Apocalyptic: it's good dude

07:33:58 tg2: aww yeah

07:34:02 tg2: AW YEAH

07:34:08 tg2: get on my fucking ident level scrubs

07:34:16 tg2: we really shoudln't have drank so much tonight

07:34:17 benkay: ident level zero

07:34:20 tg2: lol

07:34:20 xdotcomm_: joecool: selling what?

07:34:22 tg2: yeah really

07:34:26 Apocalyptic: ;;gettrust tg2

07:34:29 joecool: xdotcomm_: you send the bitcoin

07:34:34 tg2: SO MUCH TRUST

07:34:37 Apocalyptic: ^

07:34:39 xdotcomm_: to where?

07:34:44 joecool: ;;ident

07:34:56 xdotcomm_: joecool: u trying to get me to send u bitcoin?

07:34:57 BingoBoingo: ;;rate Apocalyptic 2 x-bt not an idiot

07:35:07 tg2: ;;help rate

07:35:16 joecool: xdotcomm_: sure?

07:35:21 tg2: lol

07:35:26 tg2: did you register yet?

07:35:32 tg2: pm gribble

07:35:35 joecool: !gettrust Apocalyptic

07:35:35 benkay: u guise

07:35:38 benkay: rating each other

07:35:38 joecool: ;;gettrust Apocalyptic

07:35:44 benkay: this is pretty much as lulzy as it gets

07:36:00 BingoBoingo: Fuck it, Imma pass out.

07:36:05 joecool: solid

07:36:08 moiety: await a bunch of ratings from similarly unknown new names in the coming while

07:36:09 benkay: sleep tight BingoBoingo

07:36:11 tg2: good riddan... err night

07:36:23 moiety: nanight BingoBoingo

07:36:24 joecool: ;;gettrust moiety

07:36:29 BingoBoingo: tg2 xdotcomm_ Yall dun know what drinking is

07:36:37 tg2: > implying sobriety

07:36:54 joecool: lol i've never seen that message on wot before

07:37:05 tg2: lol

07:37:10 Apocalyptic: joecool, it's new

07:37:12 xdotcomm_: is not a valid GPG key id. Please use the long form 16 digit key id.

07:37:26 tg2: use --longkey

07:37:37 tg2: you doing it on 'nix cli?

07:37:39 Apocalyptic: night BingoBoingo

07:37:56 benkay: hahaha

07:38:03 benkay: moiety: your ratings are tits

07:38:11 tg2: is it acceptable that my key password is benkay4gaypresident?

07:38:14 benkay: "attempted the impossible, don't think other people's money was lost"

07:38:27 benkay: i gotta hear the story behind that

07:38:40 moiety: i have ratings?!

07:38:47 benkay: ;;gettrust moiety

07:38:48 xdotcomm_: ;;gettrust xdotcomm_

07:38:53 moiety: ;;gpg auth moiety

07:38:54 BingoBoingo: http://www.nationstates.net/nation=bingotonia

07:38:55 ozbot: NationStates | The Most Serene Republic of Bingotonia

07:38:58 joecool: moiety: apparently

07:39:14 xdotcomm_: ;;gpg auth xdotcomm_

07:39:18 xdotcomm_: ;;gpg auth xdotcommer

07:39:37 benkay: xdotcomm_: maybe go to sleep

07:39:47 benkay: 1 day does not matter over the course of your life

07:39:50 tg2: inb4 gpg brute force

07:39:56 tg2: eventually

07:39:59 tg2: it will get accepted

07:40:21 tg2: haha my sides are in orbit

07:40:40 benkay: tg2 where did you get your mixer?

07:40:40 tg2: if only you guys knew on what level this is

07:41:11 tg2: x is chortling strong

07:41:49 tg2: mixer? i don't mix. anybody who says so is a lying sac of shit and I will ;;rate them

07:42:03 benkay: i've never seen anyone do that to metaphors before. i want one like you have.

07:42:17 Apocalyptic: "I will ;;rate them" too bad you can't, for now

07:42:29 tg2: i'm putting it in notepad

07:42:33 tg2: for future ;;rating

07:42:45 benkay: i'm still waiting for you both to auth at the same time

07:42:49 tg2: i'm authed

07:43:04 tg2: CHECK ME BRO

07:43:23 tg2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoudYNeVn5E

07:43:23 ozbot: Bro Down Stephen Sondheim vs Randy Marsh - YouTube

07:43:38 tg2: this perfectly recaps our exchanges tonight

07:43:58 tg2: ;;ident tg2

07:44:03 benkay: ;;ident xdotcommer

07:44:08 benkay: "at the same time"

07:44:13 xdotcommer: y

07:44:13 benkay: reading comprehension?

07:44:18 xdotcommer: i cant do this

07:44:21 tg2: lol

07:44:31 tg2: this is a clever ruse

07:44:32 xdotcommer: ;;gpg eauth xdotcommer

07:44:35 tg2: best sock ever

07:44:42 xdotcommer: y i just registered

07:44:43 tg2: good sock bad sock

07:44:49 Apocalyptic: xdotcommer, ;;eregister is the first command

07:44:58 xdotcommer: yea it says success

07:45:04 tg2: meanwhile x has like 4 gpg keys that I know of

07:45:05 tg2: in my chain

07:45:07 Apocalyptic: did you decrypt the OTP ?

07:45:22 xdotcommer: Request successful for user xdotcommer, hostmask xdotcomme

07:45:28 Apocalyptic: it should have sent you a link

07:45:42 tg2: xdotcommer, you have to disable norton antivirus

07:45:46 Apocalyptic: now you open that, decrypt it,and ;;everify it

07:45:48 tg2: and open internete explorer

07:46:20 tg2: search in the ask toolbar for "gpg fast direct download"

07:46:22 tg2: click the first link

07:46:28 tg2: click all hte donwload buttons you see

07:46:41 tg2: click yes on all the prompts

07:47:03 tg2: ;;ident tg2

07:47:16 tg2: wow, such ident, much fingerprint

07:47:19 xdotcommer: ;;gpg eauth xdotcommer

07:48:31 xdotcommer: ;;gpg eauth xdotcommer

07:48:39 xdotcommer: sup now mofos

07:48:42 tg2: holy wow

07:48:57 xdotcommer: so we cant be 2 people?

07:49:06 xdotcommer: maybe there is like 5 of us

07:49:16 xdotcommer: benkay: ?

07:49:17 benkay: strawman

07:49:21 tg2: ;;rate help

07:49:22 benkay: booooring

07:49:33 tg2: ok xdotcommer, your shift is up

07:49:37 tg2: inform the next sock they can take over

07:49:52 benkay: so tg2

07:49:57 MisterE: that dude with the 2.5 ph!!

07:49:58 benkay: where are your ratings going to come from?

07:49:59 tg2: ;;rate xdotcommer 10 touched my tralala

07:50:04 tg2: :'9

07:50:07 MisterE: nice work those rigs look bare bones

07:50:08 benkay: hahahahahahaha

07:50:09 MisterE: and using Pis

07:50:11 xdotcommer: ok so what can we do now that we could not do before?

07:50:16 tg2: benkay rate me

07:50:20 benkay: why?

07:50:24 tg2: you denenerate shitposter

07:50:34 benkay: eloquent.

07:50:42 xdotcommer: ;;rate xdotcommer 10 shilling like a villain

07:50:48 tg2: lol

07:50:48 chatquack: ;;rate bingoboingo 1 pretty awesome

07:50:51 tg2: you rate yourself

07:50:57 tg2: that is how the trust system works

07:50:59 xdotcommer: ;;rate tg2 10 shilling like a villain

07:51:03 tg2: solid comprehension

07:51:07 xdotcommer: haha

07:51:09 tg2: strong show

07:51:17 tg2: benkay

07:51:17 benkay: monocle gents

07:51:21 tg2: pls

07:51:22 benkay: wot wot

07:51:32 tg2: benkay can has r8 pls

07:51:42 tg2: I'll send you 100 dogecoins

07:51:47 tg2: worth imo

07:52:14 Apocalyptic: poor mircea, he will have a hard time reading the log later today

07:52:24 benkay: poor poor mircea

07:52:33 tg2: so poor

07:52:42 tg2: doesn't even have darkcoins

07:52:48 benkay: top kek gents

07:52:59 benkay: good job falling in line

07:53:04 benkay: no need to even crack skulls

07:53:14 tg2: > implying skull cracking abilities

07:53:21 xdotcommer: benkay: what we get for learning pgp?

07:53:27 xdotcommer: like a cookie at lesT?

07:53:27 benkay: hardcore 4channer

07:53:28 tg2: inb4 250gbps flood

07:53:33 benkay: welcome

07:53:45 tg2: ok cool

07:53:48 benkay: it's a reference for others, tg2

07:53:50 tg2: well I feel much less dignified that before

07:53:54 benkay: don't pay it too much bother

07:54:08 benkay: you'd have had to read logs and shit to get the joke

07:54:10 tg2: but now strangers on the internet know how legitimate I am

07:54:19 benkay: yeah, what's your rating again?

07:54:24 benkay: much legitimate.

07:54:26 benkay: wow

07:54:36 tg2: look at this guy, doge meme'n it up

07:54:38 tg2: what a champ

07:54:42 tg2: you're a half decent guy you know that

07:54:49 tg2: i applaud your efforts at making us feel at home

07:54:50 Apocalyptic: tg2, xdotcommer I imagine you guys like : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcUWaVbC8wY#t=27

07:54:52 tg2: good show

07:55:18 xdotcommer: ahahha this guy tells us to register then makes fun of us for not having rating in their system

07:55:22 tg2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_d5jWvBirU

07:55:22 ozbot: Acquiring Business - YouTube

07:55:26 tg2: its actually closer tot hat

07:55:27 tg2: irl

07:55:37 tg2: but with more drinking

07:55:42 tg2: and less black people

07:55:58 benkay: you'll get it, i'm sure

07:56:02 benkay: more reads

07:56:05 benkay: less derp

07:56:19 xdotcommer: what about selfpawns?

07:56:19 tg2: i really think its great that you guys are humoring us

07:56:30 benkay: if not derpers, won't drown

07:56:33 tg2: meanwhile xdotcommer authored parts of i2p

07:56:47 benkay: oooh, mega creds

07:56:52 tg2: as previously mentionned, sides are on jupiter ATM

07:56:54 xdotcommer: lolz

07:56:56 benkay: ;;rate NAAAAAH

07:57:08 tg2: perhaps tomorrow morning they will have returned

07:57:19 tg2: along with a hangover

07:57:37 benkay: plan to read logs in the am?

07:57:44 benkay: self flagellate?

07:57:50 moiety: this is still ongoing i see

07:57:57 moiety: ;; ident moiety

07:58:01 benkay: moiety save meeee

07:58:10 moiety: fucking pretty key i made huh :)

07:58:10 xdotcommer: Apocalyptic: thanks for that vid

07:58:12 xdotcommer: its good

07:58:45 moiety: benkay: its called ignore :P

07:58:52 benkay: they're trying

07:58:57 benkay: identing and all

07:59:07 benkay: gotta have *some* modicum of manners

07:59:36 moiety: treat others as they treat you is my motto

07:59:44 tg2: brb writing a vanity gpg key gen

07:59:48 benkay: after all, BingoBoingo and I settled our differences eventually.

07:59:49 tg2: opencl? opencl

08:00:48 xdotcommer: y so many pople in this channel

08:00:55 xdotcommer: alsmost as much as in #dogecoin

08:01:02 xdotcommer: wait no they have 900+

08:01:04 moiety: i didnt know you had had differences benkay, im glad they are settled

08:01:36 moiety: oh yeah i wanted to see my ratings

08:01:42 moiety: ;; gettrust moiety

08:01:53 tg2: so rated

08:02:09 benkay: well, we trolled each other hard for about a week when BingoBoingo returned from his self-imposed exile lo these many months ago

08:02:12 joecool: moiety: congrats WOT is no longer telling me that you're an impostor and a scammer

08:02:37 benkay: ;;rate moiety 1 not ninjashogun

08:02:46 moiety: i just needed to gribble joecool!

08:02:57 moiety: lolol benkay XD

08:03:20 moiety: i has two ratings nao :D

08:03:43 *: joecool sleeps

08:03:56 benkay: quantity > quality, eh xdotcommer?

08:04:20 xdotcommer: benkay: regarding?

08:04:33 benkay: <xdotcommer> y so many pople in this channel [01:00]

08:04:34 benkay: <xdotcommer> alsmost as much as in #dogecoin

08:04:36 benkay: <xdotcommer> wait no they have 900+

08:04:42 xdotcommer: are u saying ur better then dogecoin person?

08:04:49 xdotcommer: so presumptuous

08:05:00 benkay: to use a 4chanism

08:05:30 xdotcommer: u know y i like doge

08:05:35 xdotcommer: cause fast

08:05:38 xdotcommer: and cheap to send

08:05:47 moiety: ;; later tell BingoBoingo i didn't realise you had left me a rating, that means a lot what you said

08:06:10 benkay: > implozlzolzol

08:06:11 benkay: and inflates infinitely!

08:06:11 benkay: what could go wrong.

08:06:41 benkay: was this in reference to the chatthing moiety ?

08:06:49 moiety: fast + cheap to send is all it takes? better make my manuls fast as fuck then

08:07:10 benkay: in and out

08:07:12 benkay: quick as possible

08:07:12 xdotcommer: tg2: u got those bitcoins i sent last year?

08:07:15 benkay: why u no climax?

08:07:51 moiety: yeah benkay i tried to make it work as best i could but i think i was in a losing battle, large mess

08:08:06 benkay: did you get out whole?

08:08:26 moiety: still going amn't i? :)

08:08:33 benkay: oh goodness

08:08:43 benkay: still wrapped up in it then

08:09:33 moiety: well no its shifted, i only retained some users and code really

08:10:26 moiety: just didnt give in when i shouldve

08:10:36 benkay: to what should you have given in?

08:11:23 moiety: like i shouldve just said no, not taken the site and left it at that. avoided all dramatics and the like

08:11:56 benkay: nobody else to push it off on?

08:12:34 moiety: no and i couldnt say no enough times.

08:12:49 benkay: that's a rough finger trap.

08:13:47 moiety: all ages ago, onwards and upwards as they say

08:13:56 benkay: indeedl

08:14:05 moiety: dwll on things too long and you just go backwards right?

08:14:10 moiety: dwell*

08:14:23 benkay: key there is the "too long"

08:14:42 benkay: there's an appropriate amount of dwelling and contrition from which one can learn things

08:14:55 benkay: but generally don't hurt yourself unnecessarily over it

08:15:05 benkay: learn the html, css, js

08:15:05 moiety: ^ thats what i did entirely

08:15:17 benkay: maybe get a sweet job or something

08:16:05 moiety: yeah im now in learn mode. i did have crazy plans but BingoBoingo said, just calm down and learn a while

08:16:14 moiety: shit thing is i lost my job in the process

08:16:21 benkay: rough stuff!

08:16:27 benkay: how'd that come about?

08:16:35 benkay: not to reopen a fresh wound.

08:17:14 tg2: xdotcommer - ?

08:17:30 xdotcommer: non

08:17:46 tg2: when did you ever send me bitcions

08:18:01 moiety: a few factors, but being so involved in that didnt help. not for publogs

08:18:08 tg2: dont try to get ratings out of me you scammy fuck

08:18:13 xdotcommer: tg2: whats bitcoins is that money software

08:18:16 tg2: i'm on to you

08:18:29 tg2: ;;rate xdotcommer -10000000 said he had candy in his van

08:18:40 xdotcommer: we cant even shill each other

08:18:45 tg2: :'(

08:18:48 moiety: so are you guys on oral medication or injections?

08:18:49 benkay: yeah it's bullshit i tell you

08:18:51 benkay: worthless wot

08:18:58 xdotcommer: who was on top of the rating pyramid

08:19:01 tg2: I'm going to write an angry letter

08:19:05 xdotcommer: because there had to be the first guy

08:19:13 tg2: what kind of rating pyramid is this anyway

08:19:14 xdotcommer: the one with power to rate

08:19:22 tg2: who rates the raters

08:19:28 xdotcommer: he gave a gift or rating to others

08:19:35 tg2: how many rates can you rate, really

08:19:36 tg2: and who rates that

08:19:56 tg2: at what rate can those rates truly be rated

08:19:57 moiety: when can i rate people? how many do i need?

08:20:05 benkay: try it, moiety

08:20:11 tg2: send me somebitcoins I'll rate you

08:20:12 xdotcommer: moiety: rate me bro

08:20:27 tg2: ask benkay - he has my address

08:20:32 tg2: we tight

08:20:43 moiety: ;; rate benkay 1 knows trolling when he sees it

08:20:48 moiety: \o/

08:20:48 tg2: ;;rate benkay 10 IRL bro, accdientally crossed streams, never talked about it

08:21:16 benkay: i'm just waiting to discover that tg2 is pax dickinson or someone cool

08:21:17 tg2: so................. once i get 1 rating

08:21:18 xdotcommer: moiety: whats the site thats giving u pains?

08:21:21 xdotcommer: is it public info?

08:21:22 benkay: i'll probably be mad disappointed.

08:21:22 tg2: I can give out infinite ratings

08:21:52 tg2: benkay, you'll know who I am when the time is right

08:22:02 tg2: and then you're gonna be like "OH MAN WHATTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT NO WAY"

08:22:03 moiety: xdotcommer: it doesnt exist anymore

08:22:06 benkay: ain't nobody in no hurry, tg2

08:22:16 xdotcommer: moiety: was it something cool?

08:22:28 xdotcommer: like bitbets.com

08:22:31 tg2: just when you are comfortable in your assertion that I am not ninjashogun, after years of earning your trust, secretly

08:22:38 tg2: I wlil reveal myself as ninjashogun

08:22:52 moiety: it was a cool concept, with the wrong users

08:22:54 tg2: you will be left with a void of trust the likes of which WOT cannot comprehend

08:23:11 xdotcommer: moiety: automated type stuff?

08:23:25 xdotcommer: ponzi.io?

08:23:37 moiety: nah ponzi.me

08:23:46 benkay: ponzi.you

08:24:06 moiety: namecheap will probably be selling .ponzi soon

08:24:17 benkay: .bit is the new .ponzi

08:24:48 xdotcommer: benkay: link?

08:24:50 moiety: true lol

08:25:00 Apocalyptic: <tg2> I can give out infinite ratings // depends

08:25:10 moiety: manls.com and pallascat.com are gone :(

08:25:14 xdotcommer: i like the idea of free dns

08:25:23 tg2: manuls.io

08:25:29 moiety: no

08:25:33 tg2: manulmode

08:25:36 benkay: manu.ls?

08:25:38 tg2: raiseyourmanuls

08:26:05 xdotcommer: benkay: i meant why .bit is new ponzi

08:26:16 moiety: oh i hadnt thought of .ls, i was thinking pallasc.at but im not so keen on domain hacks

08:26:17 tg2: damn I was hopnig that .ls stood for lichtenstein

08:26:24 xdotcommer: if mozilla + google adopt it... it game time

08:26:39 xdotcommer: tg2: lichtenstein hosting

08:26:39 tg2: domai.nr

08:26:58 tg2: http://www.co.ls/

08:27:00 tg2: such graphics

08:27:05 moiety: except mine, mine is great. palindrome email ftw

08:27:16 xdotcommer: for .bit u need mozilla + chrome to adopt it.

08:27:19 tg2: ;;ident moiety

08:27:31 tg2: needs more 6's

08:27:39 benkay: xdotcommer: bitcoin's a ponzi, duh.

08:27:45 tg2: unsatisfactory amount of 6's in gpg stub

08:27:55 tg2: bitcoin, the best ponzi

08:27:56 moiety: my key is beautiful. shut up

08:28:17 tg2: ;;ident tg2

08:28:27 tg2: looks like 4 bitches

08:28:41 tg2: CEO

08:28:50 xdotcommer: benkay: say it aint so

08:28:59 tg2: this is modern day palm reading

08:29:01 xdotcommer: benkay: take it back

08:29:03 benkay: hard trufs breh

08:29:09 tg2: lol

08:29:12 moiety: do you guys ever sleep? js

08:29:15 xdotcommer: sources

08:29:21 xdotcommer: we sleep when dead

08:29:28 tg2: if only you knew benkay, if only you knew

08:29:38 moiety: sounds like a challenge

08:30:15 tg2: well, its early enough to go to bed

08:30:22 xdotcommer: moiety: vampirism

08:30:37 tg2: gnite benkay

08:30:47 xdotcommer: VampCoin

08:30:53 benkay: tg2 if only *you* knew benkay

08:30:55 tg2: coiners anonymous

08:31:02 xdotcommer: only possible to mine in dark

08:31:15 xdotcommer: must have fresh blood

08:31:33 xdotcommer: once u give somebody vampcoin

08:31:37 xdotcommer: ...

08:32:00 benkay: ;;later tell Jorge_Pasada http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/03/27_why-wot-why-now-its-an-immune-system-sucker.html

08:33:51 benkay: night moiety

08:34:01 benkay: now...if only *you* knew benkay...

08:35:04 moiety: lol nanight benkay, nice article :)

08:35:36 benkay: quit flattering me you

08:35:44 benkay: getcha nowhere

08:35:51 benkay: ;)

08:35:56 moiety: :P

08:36:20 tg2: Wow ok I'll officially tired, I just set a server ip to it's netmask and have no ipmi... lol

08:38:36 xdotcommer: see this is retarded... http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/03/27_why-wot-why-now-its-an-immune-system-sucker.html

08:38:48 xdotcommer: cause in adult what we do is we trust people based on domains they own

08:39:00 xdotcommer: if they can prove ownership of domain

08:39:07 xdotcommer: then we can talk

08:39:44 xdotcommer: this is to niche ... its like reinventing linkedin

08:40:01 xdotcommer: bitcoin is mainstream

08:40:37 xdotcommer: registering with ircbot systems is not a step forward

08:41:00 jurov: i prefer one can prove ownership of gpg key

08:41:13 jurov: domains can't be truly owned anyway

08:41:25 xdotcommer: granted I am cant think of anything better at the moment but this is not elegant

08:41:48 xdotcommer: i am honored to be one of "knuckleheads"

08:42:05 xdotcommer: yea when I am to wasted to produce code ill hit up irc for inspiration

08:42:09 jurov: elegant things are not good for anything, only to be fucked up

08:43:31 xdotcommer: its going mainstream http://www.coindesk.com/chamath-palihapitiya-bitcion-moving-past-amateur-hour/

08:44:11 Apocalyptic: I like elegant women

08:44:28 xdotcommer: there was some hotties at the bar tonight for sure

08:44:42 jurov: Apocalyptic thx for supporting my point

08:44:50 Apocalyptic: heh

08:45:09 xdotcommer: there is no point... I am here cause wasted ur here cause bored

08:45:20 xdotcommer: no business being done

08:45:26 xdotcommer: no code being produced

08:45:37 jurov: but really.. what is elegeant in replacing wot with domains?

08:46:03 jurov: unless namecoin is used .. but then we're back to private keys anyway

08:46:43 xdotcommer: keys are not necessarily bad

09:15:42 MisterE: wtf to do with private key

09:30:52 bounce: back it up. check eg paperkey.

11:06:17 mircea_popescu: good moornin

11:07:14 mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0faKka86xN4

11:07:15 ozbot: Good Morning ~ Singin' in the Rain (1952) Gene Kelly, Debbie Reynolds & Donald O'Connor - YouTube

11:13:08 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2014/interacting-with-fiat-institution-a-guide/#comment-98724

11:13:09 ozbot: Interacting with fiat institution, a guide pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

11:13:09 mircea_popescu: zesepeople.

11:19:16 ThickAsThieves: omg total log pollution

11:19:52 ThickAsThieves: tg2 is what? ChaangNoi?

11:20:16 ThickAsThieves: (i have you on ignore btw)

11:21:49 mircea_popescu: i doubt it.

11:22:26 mircea_popescu: goat can't manage to go through two hours without trying to suck up to someone, he's quite eastern.

11:24:54 ThickAsThieves: it was all the claims of riches that made me think so

11:25:12 ThickAsThieves: he's the only one i recall repeating how much he recently made of something

11:25:17 ThickAsThieves: off*

11:26:57 mircea_popescu: i believe that's a more common trait than felony.

11:28:14 cazalla: doesn't chaang come around here anymore (reading through logs, he's quite active last year) ??

11:28:20 mircea_popescu: (before being repurposed by english to mean "criminal", felony denoted the behaviour of the overly-socially adaptable, they who go from inflexible grandeur in the presence of inferiors to abject suckupitude should any superiors show up. de funes in the gendarme series is a fine example)

11:39:41 ThickAsThieves: https://internet.org.nz/

11:41:26 ThickAsThieves: https://bitcoinfoundation.org/blog/?p=600

11:41:36 ThickAsThieves: "However, tax treatment of Bitcoin as a property, and not a currency, may make compliance with tax laws unnecessarily cumbersome and imposes untenable recording and reporting requirements on its users. This is an unwelcome result for most bitcoin users, but is particularly detrimental to those that Bitcoin can help the most: small business and underbanked individuals. When it is used

11:41:36 ThickAsThieves: as a currency, Bitcoin should be a frictionless means of paying for goods and services. "

11:49:21 mircea_popescu: derp.

11:49:56 mircea_popescu: that thing should have read "We thought we knew better than MP, but we did not. We will now wear rough burlap on the skin for the next year as penace"

11:52:43 ThickAsThieves: this video on the Internet Party site has some laughs

11:53:01 ThickAsThieves: mostly at the NZ pm's expense

11:54:11 VanCleef: kim dot com for teh win

12:00:47 mircea_popescu: the notion that nz has pms in the first place...

12:23:39 davout: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZW-oUXqomT0

12:23:40 ozbot: If bitcoins were around in the '90s... - YouTube

12:25:17 bounce: http://arxiv.org/pdf/1403.6676v1.pdf

12:34:40 dignork:

12:50:21 chetty: http://www.thedailysheeple.com/man-arrested-for-public-consumption-of-iced-tea-urged-to-take-a-deal-from-prosecutors_032014

12:50:22 ozbot: Man Arrested for Public Consumption of Iced Tea Urged to Take a "Deal" from Prosecutors | The Daily

12:55:52 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2014/a-mental-problem/

12:55:53 ozbot: A mental problem pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

13:05:24 mircea_popescu: nanotube http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=mircea_popescu&sign=ANY&type=RECV

13:05:41 mircea_popescu: why does it say "This user has not authenticated for more than 16156 days" ? i've authed like... yesterday

13:07:13 mircea_popescu: for that matter, otc hasn't existed for 16k days i would hope

13:31:59 moiety: mew

13:32:20 moiety: ;; later tell asciilifeform MOTD http://imgur.com/1k3rZSf

13:33:09 mircea_popescu: i heard manuls are now illegal in the united states.

13:36:07 mircea_popescu: http://thefreeonline.wordpress.com/2014/03/24/stop-the-evictions-55-banks-occupied-today-2/

13:36:08 ozbot: STOP the evictions.. 55 Banks Occupied today!!!! | The Free

13:36:11 mircea_popescu: some of the pics quite lulzy.

13:36:17 chetty: http://blog.heritage.org/wp-content/uploads/redtape2014_FINAL.jpg

13:36:19 mircea_popescu: http://thefreeonline.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/antonio-pah-popular-edu-bayer_ediima20130726_0647_16.jpg like that one

13:37:24 MisterE: what is up with this dump?

13:37:28 moiety: that picture of bush is a cracker

13:37:58 moiety: mircea_popescu: i think some of them think its a parade

13:38:05 mircea_popescu: or something.

13:38:54 moiety: im glad manuls are illegal in the us, they dont have to deal with the gvt. also not naturally there so they should be left alone to survive as long as possible.

13:39:47 VanCleef: wow bitcoin prices are dropping alot, awesome

13:41:49 moiety: i think these ones are just protesting for legal weed...in front of a bank http://i.imgur.com/LjIWfvZ.png

13:42:16 mircea_popescu: ;;ticker

13:42:27 mircea_popescu: it's been dropping ?

13:42:35 mircea_popescu: last i looked i recall it was also 550

13:43:16 VanCleef: yeh dropped to 521 on stamp

13:44:00 moiety: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-26747649

13:44:01 ozbot: BBC News - North Korea: Students required to get Kim Jong-un haircut

13:44:25 VanCleef: hehe yeh read thtat, tis funny

13:45:03 mircea_popescu: i wonder what'll happen should kim herp-derp decide to shave his balls.

13:45:42 mircea_popescu: http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/73817000/jpg/_73817643_mm00221184.jpg << this looks like a set from hair.

13:46:50 VanCleef: i think he already does

13:48:26 chetty: he has balls?

13:49:31 VanCleef: i hope he goes bald then every male has to have a bald haircut my hair is thinning so if i go bald too i am so moving to north korea because you'll be able to get all teh chicks as baldness becomes cool

13:50:33 chetty: bald is sexy

13:57:32 CheckDavid: Hey

14:08:46 mircea_popescu: ello

14:35:10 TomServo: http://bitbet.us/bet/793/bitcoin-to-drop-under-500-before-may/

14:35:14 ozbot: BitBet - Bitcoin to drop under $500 before May

14:35:17 TomServo: pretty quick swing there!

14:39:37 MykelSIlver: What is the Low on Bitstamp?

14:40:10 MykelSIlver: Seems it was breefly on $500

14:40:14 MykelSIlver: under

14:42:27 MykelSIlver: !last

14:42:39 MykelSIlver: !help

14:43:13 MykelSIlver: !last bitstamp

14:43:15 lnovy: 505 afaik

14:43:23 TomServo: ;;ticker

14:43:29 MykelSIlver: thx

14:43:44 lnovy: but not for long :)

14:44:10 MykelSIlver: you wanna bet on that :-) ?

14:44:33 lnovy: i prefer to trade :)

14:44:40 MykelSIlver: cool

14:45:59 MykelSIlver: look like the next leg down

14:46:11 MykelSIlver: s

14:47:11 MykelSIlver: quite a support

14:47:14 MykelSIlver: atm

14:49:25 MykelSIlver: Neo is fighting Morpheus

14:51:42 tg2: Psa don't drink and post. Benkay is a good sport though for putting up with such trolling last night and still having patience after

14:52:27 tg2: Enough patience to write an article. :D

14:53:01 MykelSIlver: So http://bitbet.us/bet/793/bitcoin-to-drop-under-500-before-may/ is resolved soon?

14:54:42 TomServo: Resolves May 1st, unless it crosses sooner - the way I read it.

14:55:24 MykelSIlver: It can cross this hour

14:56:10 MykelSIlver: 284 BTC to be sold on bitstamp according to rtbtc

14:56:28 MykelSIlver: oops

14:56:33 MykelSIlver: 1530

14:56:35 MykelSIlver: BTC

14:56:49 MisterE: ltc is a bloodbath

14:57:09 MykelSIlver: great time for bottom pickers

14:57:22 MisterE: https://btc-e.com/exchange/ltc_usd

14:57:23 ozbot: loading

14:57:28 MisterE: I dont think we're there yet

14:58:00 tg2: Holy $14

14:58:19 tg2: irs decision needs a supreme court case to reverse

14:58:20 dexX7: lol wow via pm "Basically, I want to write some VB modules which can send bitcoin transactions. Of course, there aren't many examples out there how to do that. If we could talk on the telephone for 15 minutes, you'll save me about 3 days work." ... suuure

14:58:27 VanCleef: even 100$ is too expensive

14:58:52 jurov: !t m x.eur

14:58:57 nubbins`: dexX7: so send 'em a quote for 3 days work

14:58:58 tg2: Can't have different government departments treating it differently to their preference

14:59:13 dexX7: wait. what was fraudsters's office number again? :D

14:59:24 nubbins`: HEH

14:59:29 tg2: Lol

14:59:35 nubbins`: i think you just type out the email address on the keypad

15:00:57 VanCleef: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSUIQgEVDM4

15:00:58 ozbot: The Doors - The End (original) - YouTube

15:01:19 dexX7: http://www.immersion-cooling.com/publications/Analysis_of_Large-Scale_Bitcoin_Mining_Operations.pdf

15:01:23 VanCleef: goes well while watching bitcoinwisdom

15:02:32 bounce: not exactly hard to get a sip did, even a free one.

15:03:48 nanotube: mircea_popescu: fixed thanks. :)

15:07:11 bounce: what're we going to see next, bitcoin mining container ships following low electricity prices around the globe?

15:07:21 moiety: nubbins`: so, look what i found... http://colnect.com/en/coins/coin/36009-500_Manat_Pallas_Cat-Wildlife_Series-Turkmenistan they're in fiat already!

15:07:30 nubbins`: :o

15:07:35 punkman1: moiety: https://coinsboutique.com/content/silver-coins-manul-1-oz-silver-coin-antique-finish-mongolia-2014

15:08:07 moiety: oh dear god

15:08:17 moiety: thats... quite something punkman1!

15:08:36 moiety: my collection is growing! ty!

15:09:09 moiety: my site will be useless but fucking informative

15:10:31 moiety: that one has crystals in it too! :o

15:20:14 nubbins`: the mongolian one is pretty sick

15:20:26 nubbins`: reminds me of the canadian owl coin

15:20:49 nubbins`: http://www.coinnews.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/2014-Canadian-Snowy-Owl-Gold-and-Silver-Coins.jpg

15:23:22 dexX7: lol those coins are evil

15:26:27 nubbins`: i'm just looking at the new releases, they've got a coin with a frog made from venetian glass attached to it

15:26:45 nubbins`: http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/Mjg0WDUxMw==/z/oeMAAOxyjxlTM3-u/$_2.JPG

15:27:33 dexX7: looks like it would break or fall off quickly

15:28:03 nubbins`: my guess is there's an anchor protruding from the silver

15:28:49 punkman1: setting gems is not an unsolved problem

15:29:48 nubbins`: yeah, i'd be shocked to see it on a circulation coin

15:29:58 nubbins`: i guess for a numismatic, it doesn't have to be quite as sturdy

15:30:50 Namworld: I'm pretty sure it's meant to be on a display box

15:31:00 mircea_popescu: soo, the mpoe astrology department informs me that april the 20th, other than being orthodox easter, is also going to be a grand cross and the first of four blood moons.

15:31:04 mircea_popescu: sounds ominouis dunnit ?

15:31:19 Namworld: And not actively handled, so there's that. Should be fine.

15:31:21 jurov: it's catholic eater, too

15:31:27 jurov: *easter lol

15:31:28 Namworld: What the hell is a blood moon?

15:31:29 mircea_popescu: o it is ?

15:31:32 mircea_popescu: ;;google blood moon

15:31:41 mircea_popescu: nanotube nono, ty :)

15:31:55 Mats_cd03: well thats going to look awesome when im baked

15:32:29 mircea_popescu: MykelSIlver did it cross ?

15:32:37 MykelSIlver: nope

15:32:40 VanCleef: baked? isn't that illegal?

15:32:40 MykelSIlver: ;;ticker

15:32:42 VanCleef: :P

15:32:44 Namworld: I call that a "Look, the moon is fucking brown-orange."

15:32:56 MykelSIlver: 505.0 still LOD

15:33:11 mike_c: please ask the astrology dept what the lucky lotto numbers are for a cancer under such conditions.

15:33:46 MykelSIlver: must be a miracle if this was the Low till May

15:34:11 mircea_popescu: mike_c aite!

15:34:25 Mats_cd03: depends what jurisdiction youre in VanCleef

15:35:12 mircea_popescu: mike_c 12 13 22 54 59 63

15:35:20 mike_c: sweet, i'm gunna be rich

15:35:30 mircea_popescu: watch the dood actually win the powerball or some shit.

15:35:38 jurov: you forgot to ask which lotto

15:36:02 jurov: and for one i'm wondering what's the "grand cross"

15:36:03 dexX7: 505 oh noez... i guess no more hookers and blow till the tide shifts again ;)

15:36:13 mircea_popescu: ;;google grand cross

15:36:22 Mats_cd03: those are weak numbers... go for broke, 4 18 15 16 23 42

15:36:29 asciilifeform: i never learned so much about lottos as when researching trng.

15:36:49 nubbins`: <mircea_popescu> soo, the mpoe astrology department informs me that april the 20th, other than being orthodox easter, is also going to be a grand cross and the first of four blood moons. <<< it's also 420 CARL SAGAN BLAZE IT YO

15:36:50 Mats_cd03: (Lost reference if i left anybody behind)

15:38:35 Mats_cd03: http://i.imgur.com/w4CLJ8r.jpg

15:39:02 dexX7: lol

15:39:09 nubbins`: http://www.reddit.com/r/circlejerk/comments/15kcsd/til_a_dying_carl_sagans_last_words_were_literally/

15:39:10 ozbot: TIL a dying Carl Sagan's last words were literally "420 blaze it, Faggot." He whispered them to his

15:39:14 asciilifeform: http://www.chron.com/jobs/article/Police-Bryan-worker-gets-accidental-huge-4753063.php

15:39:21 MisterE: those are the numbers from lost

15:39:51 asciilifeform: '...officials at Texas Steel Conversion mistakenly issued Cesar Jaime Saldivar a paycheck for $99,275, and now they want it back. Saldivar, 25, who was captured on video making a large cash withdrawal, has been charged with felony theft...'

15:40:27 dexX7: wow

15:40:30 mircea_popescu: lol

15:40:42 mircea_popescu: nice mug on him

15:40:50 MisterE: stupid people do stupid

15:40:55 MisterE: same happened to GF's sister

15:41:01 MisterE: deposited an extra month's salaruy

15:41:30 MisterE: she went out and spent it all and tried to play it off when they cam calling, silly Asians, she was paying it off for ages

15:41:33 nubbins`: so will the government give back the $38k in taxes?

15:41:42 mircea_popescu: sure, in 2023

15:41:47 mircea_popescu: just as soon as the supreme court rules it must.

15:44:01 asciilifeform: this is a good educational story re: fiat.

15:44:23 nubbins`: even if someone gives it to you, it's not necessarily yours

15:44:31 nubbins`: imagine

15:44:40 nubbins`: also, the price of bitcoin

15:44:42 nubbins`: imagine!

15:45:23 asciilifeform: re: mircea_popescu's thoughts the other day about bank accounts being mandatory in u.s. - typically, when you sign up for direct deposit of salary here, you also sign a pact that allows the employer to withdraw.

15:45:30 asciilifeform: officially limited to cases like this

15:45:32 nubbins`: :o

15:45:37 mircea_popescu: myeah.

15:46:23 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform also allows the BANK to withdraw

15:46:27 mircea_popescu: for any reason whatsoever.

15:46:35 chetty: gubermint in US also push to direct deposit of things like social security

15:46:37 MisterE: There's something even worse than fiat though

15:46:38 MisterE: Paypal

15:46:48 mircea_popescu: such as, to cover its own shortfall, or as directed by a frient of its (such as a regulator, without a court order) or in any other case.

15:47:52 asciilifeform: this, however, is known to everyone

15:48:20 asciilifeform: (it has become almost traditional to confiscate the bank account of the accused, so he cannot pay for lawyers)

15:49:37 mircea_popescu: it's really the fundamental principle that allowed the MF Global debacle.

15:49:43 asciilifeform: in usa, nothing is actually yours unless it is small enough to run away with.

15:50:42 mircea_popescu: that, and bitcoin.

15:50:55 asciilifeform: that'd be 'small enough', sure

15:51:36 asciilifeform: carefully specified 'run away' - because, e.g. 'dpr' appears to have been successfully rectothermed.

15:51:48 mircea_popescu: maybe.

15:52:03 mircea_popescu: a more persuasive theory is that the usg used this opportunity to launder its own mining proceeds.

15:52:08 asciilifeform: lol

15:53:16 MisterE: it's probably already CIA's favorite way to fund the covert trouble it starts

15:53:30 asciilifeform: that would line up nicely with 'he had XXX but there's still XXXXX that we haven't rectothermed out'

15:53:40 mircea_popescu: early on, noob of-counsel had realised title'd be iffy but hadn't yet realised title will be challenged.

15:53:57 mircea_popescu: so they tried something along the lines of what seems a meanwhile abandoned project to inject title

15:54:05 Mats_cd03: the nonzero percentage of intelligence types involved in bitcoin makes my stomach turn

15:54:32 mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 why ?

15:54:34 asciilifeform: Mats_cd03: if you want to leave meat in the sun and no flies, you will have to go to the arctic.

15:54:43 joecool: ^

15:54:45 mircea_popescu: intelligence types are better company than almost any other class

15:54:51 mircea_popescu: except whores, maybe.

15:55:15 Mats_cd03: many people in the intel field ive become acquainted with

15:55:22 mircea_popescu: hahahaha

15:55:23 Mats_cd03: are dumb as shit

15:55:29 lnovy: :D

15:55:36 mircea_popescu: that was pretty good.

15:55:46 Mats_cd03: aspiring super spy types and idiots that think they know something

15:55:58 asciilifeform: nsa vs. 'meta-nsa'

15:56:00 Mats_cd03: kind of like bitcoin really

15:56:08 mircea_popescu: what's next, most thieves i've met in jail weren't all that good at it ?

15:56:19 chetty: jajajaja

15:56:23 joecool: mircea_popescu: you were in jail?

15:56:27 MisterE: heh yea, they regularly parade through ##security

15:56:34 mircea_popescu: joecool not yet.

15:56:39 MisterE: get ther hats handed to them and move on

15:56:59 Mats_cd03: people that have spent time working in military intelligence are the worst

15:57:03 asciilifeform: my secret hope is to meet the interesting ones some day. although it will probably be before my firing squad.

15:57:22 Mats_cd03: probably something to do with how low the barrier to entry is for military types...

15:57:42 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform intelligence doesn't kill people, bureaucracies kill people.

15:57:48 asciilifeform: ever hear the saying 'see Naples and die' ?

15:58:03 MisterE: military prefers and promotes non-thinkers

15:58:17 MisterE: by nature it's not a meritocracy

15:58:35 Mats_cd03: in my experience thats only half true

15:58:42 asciilifeform: intelligence doesn't kill people << certainly. this goes back centuries - e.g. inquisitor would hand the heretic over to the 'secular arm' for processing.

15:58:54 Mats_cd03: the american military is pretty good at straddling the line

15:58:59 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform inasmuch as you know who he was, he wasn't intel.

15:59:47 asciilifeform: competent burglar can trip over a miraculous surprise and end in jail

15:59:51 asciilifeform: the sapper errs once.

16:00:07 Mats_cd03: as far as training for platoon leaders go... us .mil excels at meritocracy, at least during a deployment in an area with modest insurgent populations

16:00:09 MisterE: so does the covert op

16:00:10 asciilifeform: you know who he was, he wasn't intel << so not necessarily.

16:00:50 mircea_popescu: ya but ya know what i mean

16:00:52 Mats_cd03: basically a trial by fire for the tactically inept

16:01:01 mircea_popescu: never saw a spy with a title.

16:01:07 mircea_popescu: which reminds me of a seinfeld bit :

16:01:43 mircea_popescu: JERRY: I got ripped off for about the...18th time? And now, the first couple a times you go through it, it?s very upsetting and your first reaction or one of your friends will say, ?Call the police. You really should call the police.? So you think to yourself, you know, you watch TV, you think, ?Yeah, I?m calling the police. Stakeouts, manhunts... I?m gonna see some real action.? Right, you think that. So

16:01:43 mircea_popescu: , the police come over to your house, they fill out: The Report. They give you: Your Copy. Now, unless they give the crook his copy, I don?t really think we?re gonna crack this case, do you? It?s not like Batman, where there?s three crooks in the city and everybody pretty much knows, who they are. Very few crooks even go to the trouble to come up with a theme for their careers anymore. It makes them a lot tough

16:01:44 mircea_popescu: er to spot. ?Did you lose a sony? It could be the Penguin. I think we can round him up, he?s dressed like a PENGUIN! We can find him, he?s a PENGUIN!

16:01:56 Mats_cd03: inevitably though, leaders lose their creativity by the time they become flag officers

16:02:30 Mats_cd03: but its usually lost by the time they make major

16:02:38 Mats_cd03: too much time flying a desk

16:02:48 asciilifeform: 'mahogany bomber'

16:02:56 asciilifeform: (to the british)

16:04:29 Mats_cd03: whats worse is mustangs in the system are discouraged by design

16:04:55 asciilifeform: re: burglars: everyone who gets burgled quickly learns j. e. hoover's lesson 'justice is incidental to law and order'

16:05:13 Mats_cd03: mustangs: former enlisted that received a commission and are now officers (e.g. lieutenant)

16:05:36 MisterE: Mats_cd03: they know all they will need soon are an army of kids controlling bots in a video game like theater

16:05:59 Mats_cd03: so the best warfighters and leaders of this generation are rapidly being replaced by... high school seniors

16:06:02 MisterE: hell drone program is enough for all but a stupid occupation like Iraq

16:06:09 MisterE: yea

16:06:53 asciilifeform: can't wait for 'we didn't mean to demolish XXX. bot got hacked.'

16:07:03 Mats_cd03: and thats all the ranting i have for this morning

16:07:57 asciilifeform: (better excuse than the 'targeting error' that demolished the chinese embassy in belgrade. the one that happened to contain the pieces of the 'stealth' machine.)

16:08:43 tg2: Oops our gross incompetence lead to this duration but it's really somebody elses fault

16:08:56 tg2: itt: every exchange in the last year

16:10:37 tg2: Hackers/transaction maleability/bots

16:10:55 nubbins`: bitcoin is like an early prototype airplane

16:11:26 nubbins`: people say "i want to fly!" and they run after it, grabbing onto the wheels, not realizing the effect their dead weight will have on it

16:11:54 asciilifeform: airlines regularly find stowaways in landing gear shafts, dead of asphyxiation and frost

16:12:02 asciilifeform: there is definitely a parallel here.

16:12:03 nubbins`: right

16:12:18 nubbins`: the question is whether the airplanes will reach the point where the landing gear kills people

16:12:29 nubbins`: before the rest of the fleet crashes and burns

16:12:40 nubbins`: it's a race, i tell ya

16:13:03 Mats_cd03: well, i hope you'll all be in here when it happens

16:13:05 asciilifeform: to run with the analogy, the plane in question doesn't notice the idiot in the gear well at all.

16:13:12 mircea_popescu: this notion that children can somehow, with a lot of shaving paste and stilts, stand up to adults is laughable.

16:13:34 mircea_popescu: no high school senior hauled up in a basement is EVER going to be a soldier,

16:13:38 mircea_popescu: or matter in this wolrd.

16:18:51 benkay: good shwarma

16:19:12 benkay: xdotcommer: domains as identification? are you pulling my leg or pulling my leg?

16:19:33 nubbins`: wow, winds near Gros Morne exceeded 200km/h last night

16:19:42 xdotcommer: benkay: just telling you how it works... if its a popular site you know then guy aint going to runk with your 2K

16:19:48 Mats_cd03: pgp is too complicated, man

16:20:00 xdotcommer: pgp is pretty good

16:20:05 benkay: tellin me how it works

16:20:09 Mats_cd03: theres like, cryptography, and hashes, and stuff

16:20:21 benkay: i don't care about the 2k

16:20:22 xdotcommer: Mats_cd03: moar keywords please

16:20:31 asciilifeform: whichever british gentleman said 'those who do not have time for exercise will have to find time for disease'

16:20:34 asciilifeform: applies to pgp

16:20:34 benkay: i care about someone impersonating you.

16:21:11 benkay: xdotcommer seems to be exercising to look cool

16:21:21 benkay: he says is doesn't work like we think it does

16:21:36 asciilifeform: 'those who do not have time for pgp will have to find time for being pwned'

16:22:22 benkay: those who took the time to pgp are still getting soldering irons in the tuchus.

16:23:09 xdotcommer: You guys are preaching to the choir I am all for this pgp stuff ... just was hard to figure out after night of boozing

16:23:23 asciilifeform: 'hang for a sheep as well as a lamb'

16:23:34 xdotcommer: was here last night http://www.startupdrinksmontreal.com/

16:23:47 benkay: fartup scene

16:24:00 nubbins`: ah, that other guy was going on about that last night

16:24:01 benkay: sweet taste of ideas

16:24:15 xdotcommer: benkay: free berr

16:24:29 nubbins`: said something about how he goes there and pitches people's ideas back to them, making them weep when confronted with their own stupidity

16:24:34 xdotcommer: benkay: portland is not the only place with a startup theme

16:24:49 benkay: nope its unique

16:25:01 benkay: *plugs ears, sings*

16:25:16 Mats_cd03: if portland is anything like portlandia, it needs to be set afire from orbit

16:25:27 Mats_cd03: (i got netflix recently)

16:25:41 benkay: don't believe everything hollywood tells you

16:26:01 Mats_cd03: hollywood is the one pure truth

16:26:26 xdotcommer: This guys is like the local legend http://www.meetup.com/googleMTL/events/171743832/

16:26:28 benkay: idiot drivers is actually a thing, although that's more because perverse regulation.

16:26:52 xdotcommer: Le CryptoCat

16:27:02 asciilifeform: 'Encryption in the Browser' << satan preserve us

16:27:23 benkay: cryptocat was broken by design, right?

16:27:25 asciilifeform: hasn't 'Cryptocat' already fucked its public goat?

16:27:29 benkay: what is he still doing talking about crypto?

16:27:32 xdotcommer: asciilifeform: does not hurt to try

16:27:35 asciilifeform: how is bob still bridge-builder

16:27:35 mircea_popescu: either that or designed by the broken

16:27:57 mircea_popescu: xdotcommer apparently you've not tried a great many things.

16:28:33 benkay: last year city council passed some rules about how pedestrians can walk out into the street and demand the right of way

16:28:34 xdotcommer: mircea_popescu: I did not mean for me... if the guy wants to do encryption in the browser ... I say let him go for it

16:28:51 mircea_popescu: im starting to understand something. if we manage to not turn into wikipedia within a decade we'll have actually accomplished an amazing feat.

16:29:12 mircea_popescu: xdotcommer well sure. but in the same sense, if the twelve year old wants to have twins, let her ?

16:29:33 xdotcommer: mircea_popescu: depends in which country I guess

16:29:48 mircea_popescu: or whose twelve year old, but yeah.

16:29:53 mike_c: if the three 19 year old CSS developers want to open an options exchange..

16:30:11 mircea_popescu: mike_c how did that thing settle down in the end ? "bitcoin's fault" ?

16:30:17 xdotcommer: mircea_popescu: and in which time/space as well years ago childbirth at 12 was not uncommon

16:30:34 benkay: if the 'crypto enthusiasiast' wants to build crypto humans use...

16:30:54 mike_c: i don't think it was bitcoin, it was some altcoin

16:31:21 mircea_popescu: unrelatredly, http://24.media.tumblr.com/8d05d63b08beb33ad107aeed77d7c253/tumblr_mly580FwEY1s84s3eo1_1280.jpg

16:31:45 blackwhite: https://stripe.com/bitcoin

16:31:46 ozbot: Stripe: Bitcoin

16:31:50 Mats_cd03: mmm looks like california

16:32:18 xdotcommer: is there a way to streamline web of trust to the browser or its IRC only?

16:32:38 mircea_popescu: xdotcommer what are you trying to do ?

16:32:38 Mats_cd03: what?

16:32:55 mircea_popescu: mike_c https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=536511.msg5917607#msg5917607

16:32:57 mircea_popescu: it's been replaced.

16:33:28 benkay: ;;gettrust mircea_popescu

16:33:35 benkay: xdotcommer: there's already internet.

16:33:38 benkay: make a form.

16:33:45 benkay: have it post to irc

16:33:47 benkay: ain't that hard

16:33:48 xdotcommer: market place (ebay) using same gpg

16:34:30 xdotcommer: looks like it wont be too hard

16:34:36 benkay: ron gilad

16:34:41 benkay: https://www.google.com/search?q=runner+ron+gilad&espv=210&es_sm=91&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=q1I0U_aVJci8oQTev4KoCw&ved=0CCcQsAQ&biw=1244&bih=679&dpr=2

16:34:53 the20year3: I'm publishing the announcement shortly, but RentalStarter will be acquiring CryptoREI and thus add a North Carolina branch to our business.

16:34:53 benkay: seventies art is cool again?

16:35:12 xdotcommer: benkay: is that a portland artist of some sort?

16:35:21 dexX7: benkay: webform posting to irc.. sounds fishy

16:35:26 the20year3: We will also begin our 2nd tranche on Monday the 31st at .0075btc/share.

16:35:32 benkay: wait a sec let me google that for you xdotcommer

16:35:34 dexX7: but very related: www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEmO7wQKCMw

16:36:06 mike_c: good thing they opened up new TLDs or these cryptoexchanges would have run out of doman names by now.

16:36:36 bounce: veryexchange.sexy

16:36:39 mircea_popescu: the20year3 that should be interesting.

16:37:00 the20year3: I think so

16:37:11 benkay: xdotcommer: still need help with google?

16:37:22 VanCleef: how will u sell them at 0075?

16:37:27 mircea_popescu: ideally publish it as something readable, btw.

16:37:33 benkay: anyways, new york, like most good artists.

16:37:37 VanCleef: you will buy up the 0.005's?

16:37:40 xdotcommer: benkay: http://www.rongilad.com/

16:37:48 benkay: oh you found it!

16:37:50 benkay: good for you.

16:38:44 VanCleef: the20year3

16:39:27 the20year3: ?

16:39:37 the20year3: VanCleef: i should, but i have no BTC in HL

16:40:03 benkay: !t h rent

16:40:15 VanCleef: hmmm so how will you be able to sell at 0,0075?

16:40:32 benkay: you're going to sell more for .0075 when they're already on the market for 0.0053?

16:40:46 the20year3: HL will automatically suspend all buy orders under .0075, so all buys have to go in at .0075

16:40:51 benkay: WHAT

16:40:54 mircea_popescu: wait what ?!

16:40:57 benkay: haha

16:41:02 benkay: you've done it now, boyo

16:41:02 VanCleef: WHAT?!

16:41:03 the20year3: That's what HL does on all future rounds

16:41:06 mircea_popescu: obviously someone that owns shares can sell at any price they want.

16:41:06 pankkake: usual havelock practice yes

16:41:13 the20year3: They did it with PETA

16:41:21 mircea_popescu: but it's... fraudulent ?

16:41:31 the20year3: according to the policies on HL's site?

16:41:35 pankkake: did it with CBTC too

16:41:42 benkay: does this not strike you as a gross breach of free market principles, the20year3 ?

16:42:00 the20year3: Would it be free market if i went in and bought up all the shares below .0075?

16:42:04 benkay: yes.

16:42:11 the20year3: maybe i should do that then

16:42:24 benkay: too bad you don't have the cash.

16:42:38 mircea_popescu: but wait. someone buys some shares

16:42:38 benkay: ;;gettrust the20year3

16:42:43 mircea_popescu: and then they're not allowed to sell them anymore ?

16:42:45 benkay: ;;gettrust the20year

16:42:51 mircea_popescu: what sort of nonsense is this ?

16:42:55 Mats_cd03: lol

16:43:03 the20year3: As per my understanding they can sell after the 2nd round finishes, the same deal with the 1st round

16:43:08 benkay: once again, never do business outside the wot

16:43:10 mircea_popescu: i mean it's like a spiral of web scammy for that place.

16:43:11 Mats_cd03: does this sort of thing even have a name?

16:43:18 benkay: holy fuck monsters

16:43:20 mircea_popescu: the20year3 but the round can last indefinitely.

16:43:24 benkay: you people have no conscience.

16:43:34 mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 yeah, "internet fraud" basically.

16:44:06 asciilifeform: does this sort of thing even have a name << chumpatron.

16:44:07 the20year3: I don't think they're allowed to have an indefinite 2nd round, from my understanding we were required to have a set 2nd round

16:44:13 the20year3: Otherwise the fund becomes illiquid

16:44:16 Mats_cd03: oh, i thought there might be a flighty finance term

16:44:30 Mats_cd03: im also baked out of my mind on pure gold

16:44:30 pankkake: can't you simply put a sell order of new shares?

16:44:33 mircea_popescu: the20year3 at any point you may seriously consider your involvement in this scheme may actually result in criminal charges.

16:45:06 Apocalyptic: pankkake, one does not simply sell shares on havelock

16:45:09 mircea_popescu: topace is nutty enough to imagine he's going to escape through some fraudulent sale to a panama front,

16:45:19 the20year3: what do you mean pankkake

16:45:24 mircea_popescu: but you should be somewhat more responsible, seeing how you're tied down to real estate.

16:45:53 pankkake: I mean do your second round on the open market, not on havelock special IPO feature

16:46:20 the20year3: That's a possibility too

16:46:29 mircea_popescu: pankkake well other than it'll likely never generate any capital, it would resolve the problem yes.

16:46:44 topace: im not sure where you are getting this information

16:46:47 topace: but it is not correct

16:47:11 mircea_popescu: the general fate to people telling me my information is not correct is aptly represented by one trendon shavers.

16:47:54 topace: [12:40:35] <the20year3> HL will automatically suspend all buy orders under .0075, so all buys have to go in at .0075

16:47:57 topace: ^ is what i was referring to

16:48:06 topace: the platform does not suspend orders below certain thresholds

16:48:09 the20year3: I may be wrong then

16:48:14 CheckDavid: You guys trade stocks of companies on these exchanges right with or without the need for personal identification?

16:48:23 mike_c: so enlighten us, how does a 2nd round ipo at a higher price than the market price work?

16:48:23 mircea_popescu: "They did it with PETA" " did it with CBTC too" ?

16:48:24 benkay: the20year3: it is staggering that you don't understand your own issuances.

16:48:28 mircea_popescu: seemed uncontroversial.

16:48:35 the20year3: RS is based primarily on USD and not BTC

16:48:38 benkay: topace: how is this next round at 0.0075 working?

16:48:48 the20year3: USD price is the same at .0075 as it was when we did the last round at .0055

16:48:50 benkay: it's popcorn week!

16:49:01 asciilifeform: what is 'rental starter' co. anyway

16:49:01 mircea_popescu: benkay he's unrepresented, basically. doesn't have an ib/underwriter/anything.

16:49:02 topace: next round of what ?

16:49:12 benkay: mircea_popescu: i know.

16:49:13 topace: (remember, im no longer involved in running the exchange)

16:49:20 VanCleef: my penis just got a bit hard

16:49:30 the20year3: how so VanCleef?

16:49:33 benkay: well then how can you make any claims about what can or cannot happen on the exchange, topace?

16:49:37 mike_c: next "tranche" of RENT shares is going to be sold at 75, but market price is 53.

16:49:45 topace: because i wrote the code

16:49:53 benkay: and it couldn't possible have changed

16:49:54 *: VanCleef gives it a flick

16:49:54 topace: there's no "you cant place orders below 0.0075 in the code"

16:50:09 benkay: possibly.

16:50:24 mircea_popescu: http://31.media.tumblr.com/e6dc76047ffec4f107c5d9e99de80c14/tumblr_ml1px0eVbl1sn68hmo1_1280.jpg

16:50:35 mike_c: so what, the block of shares is just released at the same time that open market trading continues?

16:50:37 benkay: wd

16:50:53 benkay: massive sell wall at 0.0075 that never gets eaten?

16:51:11 mircea_popescu: benkay well, maybe it does get eaten eventually.

16:51:13 Mats_cd03: i am not aroused mircea_popescu

16:51:16 mircea_popescu: likely not right now

16:51:33 the20year3: I don't think they can put in an indefinite sell wall , and at any rate there's no reason for us to fundraise past $1.5m USD

16:51:34 topace: im sorry i can only comment on what i see on the site, i dont see a new tranche?

16:51:43 benkay: mircea_popescu: explain it like i'm at least twelve

16:51:45 the20year3: It's starting Monday around noon

16:52:01 mike_c: asciilifeform: https://www.havelockinvestments.com/fund.php?symbol=RENT they buy houses in ohio and rent them out.

16:52:10 benkay: topace: you can't make any claims about the code they're running if you can't make any claims about the code they're running.

16:52:24 mircea_popescu: benkay dat ambiguous status.

16:52:55 benkay: the bet would be does the wall get eaten or rentalstarter fall apart first

16:53:02 benkay: fall apart/delist/get indicted

16:53:38 benkay: who knows - maybe there's three more months of going short btc via rent

16:55:32 mircea_popescu: kind-of a pity in that a well managed business on those lines makes some sense.

16:55:36 VanCleef: anyone heard fromsfi lately?

16:55:39 VanCleef: sfi

16:55:47 VanCleef: or didthey just do a runner?

16:56:40 benkay: the20year3: do please explain precisely how this new tranche is working

16:56:46 benkay: bring an underwriter or someone who understands

16:58:14 mircea_popescu: VanCleef i have no idea, were they due a report or something ?

16:59:49 mike_c: ^ heh. "rent shares rose on news that they will soon be forced to be worth 0.0075 btc"

16:59:57 asciilifeform: mike_c: if only this existed in my town (and, run by something other than scammers)

17:00:07 VanCleef: i dont know just haven't heard from them since

17:00:51 mike_c: asciilifeform: well, no strong indications that it is run by scammers. just that they don't understand their relationship with havelock very well..

17:00:52 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform apparently ohio or w/e this one is has very advantageous economics for this business

17:01:12 benkay: they're crossing the wires though

17:01:19 mircea_popescu: which incidentally begs the question, why a merger with someone in a diff market ? does it benefit from equally good economics ?

17:01:23 benkay: cannot touch both fiat and crypto at once

17:01:26 asciilifeform: has very advantageous economics for this << how's that

17:01:32 VanCleef: i think he should just sell the shares for 0.008 instead

17:01:42 mircea_popescu: much of rent is predicated on its operator familiarirt with the field, that doesn't seem to translate too well across a geographic distance

17:01:49 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform very low land values / high rents.

17:02:22 asciilifeform: quite the same here. and yet, i've been trying and failing to rent a house for ages.

17:02:54 mircea_popescu: its been discussed in teh at some point coupla months ago, i don't recall the specifics

17:03:05 asciilifeform: to be fair, it is a little bit from the peculiar conditions where i live. most of the rentals are geared for students, and are gigantic, divided into rooms.

17:04:38 ThickAsThieves: <the20year3> HL will automatically suspend all buy orders under .0075, so all buys have to go in at .0075 //// dafuck?

17:04:47 VanCleef: woohoo

17:04:50 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves do they actually do this as ppl claim or not ?

17:04:51 VanCleef: buy now

17:04:52 benkay: welcome to this morning, ThickAsThieves

17:04:58 ThickAsThieves: i dont think it can be done

17:05:03 ThickAsThieves: more likely,

17:05:15 ThickAsThieves: is the tranche will be sold through "IPO" feature

17:05:26 ThickAsThieves: where there is no orderbook

17:05:29 mike_c: topace said it can't, but also that he isn't involved so he doesn't know.

17:05:30 blackwhite: https://www.onename.io/

17:05:35 Mats_cd03: i think the confusion here lays with the recent depreciation of btc/usd and the capital RS actually needs to be denominated in usd

17:05:39 ThickAsThieves: now if HL shuts down normal trading during that...

17:05:50 asciilifeform: in the u.s. in general, people with money (but not quite a 'fortune') who want to rent something nice vs. playing debt games, are a bit of an under-served market.

17:05:51 ThickAsThieves: that would effectively recreate the situation you are going for

17:06:02 ThickAsThieves: but it's a fucked up proposition

17:06:37 benkay: no shit

17:06:44 ThickAsThieves: i see no reason to disrupt the live orderbook

17:06:50 ThickAsThieves: it's listed, it's live

17:06:55 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i suspect that ties into my "dual currency" earlier :

17:07:06 mircea_popescu: people with money, actual money, are underserved because not part of bezzle.

17:07:28 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i can see some reasons...

17:07:47 ThickAsThieves: well...

17:07:59 benkay: IT'S ALL A SCAM

17:08:03 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'm paid in perfectly ordinary u.s. bezzlars

17:08:18 KRS-One: heh

17:08:40 VanCleef: 3 chinese bitcoiners were executed today

17:08:48 benkay: link, VanCleef ?

17:09:04 VanCleef: jokes

17:09:10 KRS-One: lies

17:09:10 benkay: ;;ticker

17:09:19 VanCleef: thenext china rumor ;)

17:09:24 benkay: bitstamp's running fractional too, right?

17:09:34 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sure you are, because they CLAIOM to be convertible

17:09:40 mircea_popescu: just as long as not too many are converted.

17:09:40 ThickAsThieves: didnt they do an 'audit'?

17:09:49 benkay: audit my butthole

17:09:55 benkay: ;;google bitstamp audit

17:09:56 asciilifeform: well i did say bezzlars.

17:10:14 mircea_popescu: speaking of turkeys in new york : "ground turkey meat, was $2 for 20 oz. 2.5 years ago on sale ; it's $4.50 for 20 oz. on sale now."

17:10:35 Mats_cd03: turkey: the inferior chicken

17:10:37 benkay: firestartr are some no-names, iirc ThickAsThieves

17:10:47 mircea_popescu: ;;calc 2.25 ** (1/30)

17:10:54 mircea_popescu: 2.8% inflation. PER MONTH

17:11:00 tg2: turkey index

17:11:14 tg2: turkeys are a... growth market

17:11:17 asciilifeform: incidentally, nothing (at least, at present time) stops an owner of XXXX bezzlars from driving to a precious metals seller and filling as many buckets as he can afford.

17:11:28 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform as long as he buys... paper gold.

17:11:31 mircea_popescu: ie, goldzzars.

17:11:35 Mats_cd03: i still have 2 frozen turkeys from thanksgiving

17:11:41 asciilifeform: they don't sell this in shops around here

17:11:47 asciilifeform: mostly numismatic coin

17:11:49 mircea_popescu: try taking 100k out of your savings, buying gold bricks and driving them to mexico.

17:11:56 Mats_cd03: ever deep fry a turkey? its godly

17:12:17 mircea_popescu: what was that shop that'd deep fry anything ? butter, water, icecream

17:12:40 Mats_cd03: youve piqued my curiousity

17:12:50 tg2: mmm deep fried butter

17:12:52 tg2: lol

17:12:57 tg2: #justamericanthings

17:13:33 tg2: > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chxzSIAWA2g

17:13:58 mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/786/bitcoin-to-surpass-berkshire-as-an-investment/

17:14:00 ozbot: BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment

17:14:08 mircea_popescu: and the 1year berkshire based btc bond just went to 3%

17:14:22 mircea_popescu: well... 2.81%

17:15:03 ThickAsThieves: it'll probly get to 30%+ i bet

17:15:11 ThickAsThieves: heh, can you make bets on bets?

17:15:33 mircea_popescu: we tried yest but it didn't stick

17:15:39 nubbins`: ^

17:15:59 Mats_cd03: when i was 8 a family friend told me peanut butter was a preservative and i could live forever if i ate enough of it at once

17:16:09 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Deep frying anything is more of a State Fair schtick

17:16:17 VanCleef: could someone help me word a bet on bitbet so its allowed?

17:16:32 ThickAsThieves: one day mp will owe me a favor, and Schrodinger's BitBet will happen

17:16:47 ThickAsThieves: ok probly not

17:16:50 mircea_popescu: lol

17:16:51 ThickAsThieves: but i can dream

17:16:53 Mats_cd03: the next day i woke up early and had an XL jar of skippys...i temporarily replaced blood with peanut butter for a few hours

17:16:54 VanCleef: i want to bet that Australia wont win one single group match for the fifa world cup

17:16:58 mircea_popescu: VanCleef sure, why not

17:17:29 mircea_popescu: is this tracked anywhere ?

17:18:04 VanCleef: i'm sure fifa.com keep scores on their website

17:18:25 mircea_popescu: can you list the matches ?

17:18:40 VanCleef: i can list who else is in the group

17:18:45 mircea_popescu: generally, you want the bet well specified.

17:18:53 mircea_popescu: "x y z will happen, here's the link to it measured"

17:19:01 TestingUnoDosTre: MP, I tried making a bet on 3M that was worded very similar to the berkshire one, and the mods rejected it because it was outlandish

17:19:40 VanCleef: ahh ok

17:19:44 VanCleef: so more details teh better

17:19:47 mircea_popescu: TestingUnoDosTre i vaguely recall some discusison re a 3m bet a month or so ago, was this the same one ?

17:20:19 TestingUnoDosTre: yes. the bet was stated that the ratio of MMM to BTC would stay above .2 until may or something of the sort

17:20:30 CheckDavid: Which platform do you suggest to fund a startup?

17:20:34 TestingUnoDosTre: or at the end of may

17:20:35 mircea_popescu: did it carry ~1k btc in zeroconf ?

17:20:37 benkay: !t h rent

17:21:02 TestingUnoDosTre: lol of course not, but the berkshire bet didn't start out with 1k btc

17:21:07 ThickAsThieves: the 3M was discussed already no need to rehash

17:21:10 ThickAsThieves: bet*

17:21:12 mircea_popescu: TestingUnoDosTre course it did.

17:21:13 TestingUnoDosTre: fine fine fine

17:21:32 ThickAsThieves: pull the log and read it again if you want re-experience it

17:21:40 mircea_popescu: anyway, my car is here so we'll have to continue later!