Transcript for 27-03-2014, 3634 lines:
00:00:05 tg2: I think the crypto industry needs to have some kind of consortium that rejects new coins
00:00:14 tg2: 75% premine airdrop garbage wallfecoins
00:00:21 mircea_popescu: and new consortiums
00:00:30 tg2: meta rejection
00:00:41 tg2: who consorts the consortiums
00:00:49 tg2: srsly tho, next time I see a 50% premine shitcoin
00:00:51 tg2: i'm going to lose it
00:00:58 tg2: and I know it wont be that long, thats the sad part
00:01:17 benkay: didn't know you were well capitalized, moiety!
00:01:30 *: moiety typed before that bit :P
00:02:23 mircea_popescu: she's not well capitulised, merely slow typewrited.
00:02:27 tg2: if you post in the announcements(altcoins) forum of bitcointalk it should just autoban your IP
00:02:35 moiety: never say never! on both counts lol
00:02:52 benkay: practice makes perfect.
00:02:58 tg2: or use some kind of fingerprinting technique like Kount does so you can't even use proxies
00:04:00 B007: you can spoof those
00:04:03 B007: easily
00:04:05 cazalla: tg2: not really about value, it's just that trends is misleading
00:04:36 tg2: sorry, to what are you referring cazalla
00:05:07 cazalla: tg2: "darkcoin actually adds some value" sorry, i thought you were responding to what I said to B007
00:05:20 tg2: no.
00:05:47 tg2: but darkcoin is a coin that does 2 things
00:05:56 moiety: i have a never ending supply of enthusiasm, undecided if this helps/hinders me
00:05:58 tg2: 1: the mining algorithm is power friendly on GPUs
00:06:03 tg2: 2: darksend is an actual feature
00:06:08 blackwhite: evening gents
00:06:08 tg2: its not just a copy of another coin
00:06:36 tg2: not having to trust your coins to a mixer in order to obfusticate transactions is a big deal
00:06:41 tg2: eventually people will catch on
00:06:46 tg2: and it will be popular
00:07:00 tg2: coupled with the fact that mining it uses 1/2 the power and produces 1/2 the heat on graphics cards, and that there are no asics for it
00:07:12 tg2: means it should see some significant upswings when the summer heat settles in in north america
00:07:24 tg2: and scrypt asics become more prolific
00:07:29 tg2: just my 2c
00:07:30 cazalla: seems like more kids with milkcrates and 7950's tbh
00:07:32 tg2: i have $50k in them
00:07:45 tg2: I have 400 gpus mining
00:07:48 B007: that is why you must promote it
00:07:49 tg2: none in milk crates
00:07:50 B007: lolz
00:08:34 tg2: they are up from 70c to 89c just in the last 48 hours
00:08:41 tg2: a nice uptrend as people realize the merit of the coin
00:08:44 B007: remember to post a to the moon thread on 4chan
00:08:47 *: nubbins` yawns
00:08:51 nubbins`: i'd better buy them all now
00:09:01 tg2: good luck
00:09:20 moiety: B007: the moon is taken, they need to find another planet
00:09:28 nubbins`: i'm going to put in $75k, keep an eye out for the bump
00:09:31 asciilifeform: fuck damn it, i of all people am responsible for infecting people with lolcats.
00:09:32 mircea_popescu: i don't get it, "Half the power"
00:09:34 tg2: better yet get started on an i2p version of silk road that runs off of darkcoins
00:09:37 mircea_popescu: half as compared to what.
00:09:47 tg2: compared to mining scrypt or nscrypt
00:09:49 benkay: derp coins?
00:10:00 tg2: you mine darkcoin on your gpu, it uses literally 1/2 the power
00:10:03 benkay: tg2 it's a meaningless number. you can make the block reward whatever you want.
00:10:09 nubbins`: heh
00:10:11 benkay: the "number" of "coins" is arbitrary.
00:10:23 moiety: asciilifeform: entirely, i need them daily now
00:10:29 tg2: benkay - nowhere was amount of coins mentionned
00:10:32 tg2: only price per coin
00:10:36 tg2: which is all I'm concerned with for now
00:10:41 nubbins`: so if it uses half the power
00:10:41 asciilifeform: ;;lolcat
00:10:43 benkay: that fluctuates with market action.
00:10:52 nubbins`: actually, i don't even
00:10:59 tg2: apparently not
00:11:05 moiety: ;; manul
00:11:12 moiety: gribble, it needs to be
00:11:14 benkay: ;;gettrust tg2
00:11:23 benkay: o ok
00:11:23 tg2: can't has trust
00:11:45 *: benkay goes back to derpy value deliving
00:11:48 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Maybe ship Manuls with Cardanos as a physical security enchancement?
00:12:00 nubbins`: Manuldanos
00:12:07 moiety: ^ so much yes, i will look after them til shipping
00:12:33 asciilifeform: moiety: phun phact. wash. d.c. zoo has a scale, demarcated in... cats. tells the visitor what species he would make the best meal for.
00:12:39 ozbot: Manuls (Manuls) on Twitter
00:12:39 tg2: lol
00:12:59 tg2: what a fortunate twitter handle
00:13:20 tg2: I wonder if he knows of it's provenance
00:13:49 cazalla: tg2: is darkcoin better than bitcoin?
00:14:06 tg2: answering that would be stupid
00:14:17 tg2: but maybe you can clarify in which categeory you wish to compare
00:14:58 tg2: there are several hundred criteria that you could arbitrarily rate a cryptocurrency on
00:15:05 tg2: it is better at some
00:15:20 moiety: asciilifeform: lol i must look that up. i did find the only way someone would be smiling while holding one http://www.avianexoticpetclinic.com/images/clinic2/PallasCat2.jpg
00:15:27 cazalla: well, i know nothing about it so please share which of those it is
00:15:36 tg2: let me curate a list for you
00:15:41 moiety: well that was the most disappointing twitter link i have ever clicked, thanks
00:15:48 tg2: right after I'm done answering questions on yahoo answers
00:16:10 tg2: is it still cool to link to lmgtfy?
00:16:14 cazalla: do you sell level 2 accounts or something.. perhaps for darkcoin?
00:17:24 tg2: anwyay, read up, if you choose to invest in it, or mine it, I think it has merit as a coin, in stark comparison to every other piece of garbage that was forked in the last 3 months
00:18:10 cazalla: i'll stick to bitcoin but thanks anyway
00:18:43 tg2: may your ignorance lead you to profit
00:19:04 nubbins`: heh.
00:19:33 mircea_popescu: well, is darkcoin better than altcoin ?
00:19:39 BingoBoingo: Eh, I've never had any offers for singularity coin.
00:19:40 tg2: it is an altcoin
00:19:51 mircea_popescu: yes, but i mean the altcoin
00:19:56 ozbot: X-BT - The new marketplace for trading Bitcoin with Litecoin, Namecoin and Altcoin
00:20:06 nubbins`: this conversation would be more difficult in a language without articles
00:20:12 tg2: it is the altcoin, maybe I'm not getting what you're trying to imply
00:20:14 mircea_popescu: nubbins` or without words :D
00:20:27 BingoBoingo: tg2: He means Altcoin, the meta altcoin
00:20:28 nubbins`: XD
00:20:42 tg2: that is meta
00:20:52 nubbins`: i've got about $0k in atc
00:21:01 mircea_popescu: still above 100 ?!
00:21:15 mircea_popescu: bam, atc beats all forum investments lol.
00:21:16 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Indeed but too close to 100 to do much
00:21:19 nubbins`: guess i should've added some decimals
00:21:33 mircea_popescu: it's been stable for what, 3 months now ?
00:21:34 nubbins`: roughly $0.00k
00:21:53 mircea_popescu: nubbins` so get some derpcoin then, now's your chance
00:21:59 tg2: that is hillarious, you can have fun with that coin.
00:22:02 moiety: manul coin will destroy them all, and enjoy it
00:22:07 nubbins`: ^
00:22:09 nubbins`: manulcoin
00:22:15 nubbins`: would buy
00:22:22 tg2: strong investment
00:22:26 nubbins`: and hodl
00:22:31 mircea_popescu: manuella is, in romanian folklore, the date of all chronic masturbators.
00:22:51 mircea_popescu: because well... manul is pretty close to the latin root for "hand".
00:22:58 tg2: so who has the funniest idea for a shitcoin
00:23:03 tg2: either created or not
00:23:13 nubbins`: sort of like Palmela
00:23:22 mircea_popescu: that one too
00:23:24 mircea_popescu: not as popular.
00:23:29 dignork: tg2, darkcoin is funny enough
00:23:50 moiety: mircea_popescu: i discoevered this looking for 'manul lasers' - google asks, "did you mean manual lasers?"
00:24:11 nubbins`: actually, i meant "automatic lasers + shipping to canada"
00:24:18 mircea_popescu: lol
00:24:24 mircea_popescu: "i meant, where is my cousin susie"
00:24:34 nubbins`: dude you know susie from canada!?
00:25:18 moiety: lolol
00:26:24 moiety: i think the only reason people don't make coats out of them is because its hard to skin them when theyve ripped your face off
00:26:55 BingoBoingo: tg2: I might have an altcoin running on an old nokia 5200 series
00:27:00 moiety: "fuck this - back to the chinchillas"
00:27:52 mircea_popescu: moiety maybe they skin them like they peel peanuts, huge mechanical process
00:27:56 BingoBoingo: That might make a nice internet pay per view, Manul vs. 150 chinchillas
00:28:28 moiety: mircea_popescu: you mean monkeys don't deal with monkey nuts?
00:28:39 moiety: lol BingoBoingo is sports betting with manuls already
00:29:02 BingoBoingo: moiety: Nah, the money isn't the betting it is selling admission
00:29:34 moiety: fair point, we need to catch one first though
00:30:01 nubbins`: set out a cardboard box
00:30:29 moiety: LOL
00:31:22 tg2: just put a bunch of keyboards in the wild
00:31:30 tg2: check for key repeat events
00:32:29 moiety: lol
00:32:38 moiety: that cat: fuck you , im in the box
00:32:56 tg2: Sweet cat tree. Looks great from your keyboard.
00:33:43 moiety: i can imagine manuls being like, fuck you internet
00:36:19 moiety: unlike that guy, who folded after being super-trolled http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/03/senator-who-called-for-a-us-ban-on-bitcoin-now-backs-off-a-bit/
00:37:03 tg2: anybody here from montreal?
00:37:47 tg2: Going to startup-drinks to hear people talk about how much they think their ideas are worth for 2 hours while drinking. It's an excercise in tolerance and humility.
00:38:03 benkay: couldn't be nearly as great as dark coin
00:38:06 BingoBoingo: tg2: You realize that happens here too
00:38:25 tg2: BingoBoingo, I haven't had a chance to witness it or partake in it yet
00:38:27 tg2: give me some time
00:38:35 tg2: I'll collect the best ones tonight and shitpost them here after
00:38:42 benkay: no honor in that
00:38:45 benkay: rip 'em to their face.
00:38:51 benkay: make them explain their 'business models'.
00:38:53 tg2: That's what the drinks are for
00:39:01 tg2: I like to ask them repeatedly what their current assetes are
00:39:01 tg2: lol
00:39:03 tg2: over and over
00:39:06 tg2: until they realize they have no assets
00:39:16 benkay: of course they don't they're tech startups
00:39:20 benkay: kinda stupid approach
00:39:27 tg2: then I pitch their idea back to them and ask them for $x ($x being the value they asked)
00:39:49 tg2: as thats pretty much the value of an idea
00:40:35 nubbins`: tg2 are you from montreal originally
00:40:44 tg2: no
00:40:57 tg2: I am just stuck here like a fly on a shit pile
00:41:30 tg2: montreal has increasingly less and less to get interested about
00:41:33 tg2: toronto is happening now
00:41:47 tg2: as far as startups and bubbles go, montreal is pretty boring
00:41:52 tg2: 3 notable startups per year
00:41:56 tg2: 2.8 of them flop
00:42:38 tg2: we have, and you can count them on one hand
00:43:37 tg2: about 4 startups that you may have heard of
00:43:41 tg2: if you follow the startup scene closely
00:43:42 tg2: lol
00:44:06 benkay: isn't there a freelancer billing company up there?
00:44:10 benkay: freshbooks or summat?
00:44:12 tg2: it looks like a template on themeforest
00:44:26 tg2: passwordbox
00:44:27 benkay: startups are responsive templates, tg2
00:44:44 tg2: at our "incubator"
00:44:47 Mats_cd03: nice buzzword placement bros
00:44:51 tg2: there are about 5 teams owrking on a bitcoin payment processor
00:44:58 tg2: lol
00:45:00 tg2: each on their own
00:45:02 tg2: obviously
00:45:10 tg2: we're really giving ycombinator a run for their money
00:46:00 tg2: montreal is home to the biggest porn company online
00:46:11 tg2: that is pretty much our most successful web company
00:46:24 tg2: (and in no way am I underplaying the actual value of that)
00:47:46 tg2: here's a good one, "Delta - the last web startup"
00:47:47 tg2: i wish
00:47:49 tg2: Delta lets people semantically describe the past, present, and future. Based on these descriptions, Delta understand intents and can help you make your wishes become reality, by connecting you to people that offer solutions to your problems.
00:47:57 tg2: holy fuck where do I sign
00:47:59 Mats_cd03: lol
00:48:18 Mats_cd03: understand intents? have all of the money
00:48:43 tg2: when I get to 100m$ in the bank, I'll choose the shittiest startup I can find
00:48:47 tg2: and make it a success
00:48:58 tg2: as proof of concept that it's not idea even, but execution
00:49:03 benkay: so hey everyone
00:49:21 benkay: a copyright notice at the bottom of your silly little webapp is all you really need
00:49:21 Mats_cd03: and thats why youre poor tg2
00:49:27 tg2: so poor
00:49:35 benkay: don't get on your developers' case about owning all their ip
00:49:51 benkay: it's bad form and it shows not only that you have no idea what you're going on about, but that you're afraid of things you don't understand
00:50:11 tg2: lol
00:50:13 benkay: just say yes, send us checks when we bill you, and enjoy software free of your own bad decisions
00:50:15 tg2: yeah that copyright symbol
00:50:18 tg2: stands on it's own
00:50:25 tg2: no need for actual IP protection
00:50:28 tg2: just slap that baby on
00:50:36 tg2: ready to raise some capital
00:50:47 benkay: ugh people raising capital
00:50:58 tg2: wow hey there's another gem on here
00:50:59 benkay: if i never work with another brilliant 20 year old again it'll be too soon
00:51:02 tg2: "ZeroGox.com"
00:51:08 tg2: "Hosted MtGox trading bot"
00:51:09 tg2: loll
00:51:17 benkay: old dudes with capital and biz experience only tyvm.
00:51:19 tg2: fortune 500 here we come
00:51:31 tg2: good thing I'm not an old dude, born in the 70's
00:51:37 tg2: I'm the 80's gen
00:51:54 tg2: we just tell people straight up that their idea is worth less than the air they used to expel it from their mouths
00:52:22 benkay: you do contract dev, tg2?
00:52:36 tg2: no I have 20 people working for me here that work on in-house projects
00:52:43 tg2: and I invest in about 2-3 external projects
00:52:58 tg2: I don't do contract development, haven't for years
00:52:58 benkay: and you fell for an altcoin scam?!
00:53:05 tg2: yeah poor me right!
00:53:11 tg2: i put 50 btc into doge when it was 56 satoshis
00:53:18 tg2: which actually brought the price up to 68 satoshis
00:53:23 tg2: sold at 281
00:53:29 Mats_cd03: r u ballin now?
00:53:29 cazalla: much profit
00:53:32 tg2: for 50btc worth
00:53:40 tg2: now i'm sitting on a lot of doge
00:53:40 benkay: well take the p/d elsewhere buddy.
00:53:43 tg2: and I hate doge
00:53:53 tg2: but if I sell it, it will crash doge
00:53:55 tg2: wat do
00:53:59 benkay: uh
00:54:02 benkay: don't derp with altcoins?
00:54:09 Mats_cd03: no dark pools? how bout -otc?
00:54:21 cazalla: sounds like first one to sell winsd
00:54:24 tg2: anyway, gonna get inundated by poor business plans
00:54:29 tg2: gnite
00:54:31 BingoBoingo: Crash Doge? For the lulz?
00:54:37 tg2: sell 90m doge
00:54:40 tg2: see how hard it falls?
00:54:42 tg2: pretty hard
00:54:45 benkay: yeah crash it for teh lulz
00:54:48 tg2: could yeah
00:54:52 tg2: but not much in it for me to do that
00:54:52 tg2: lol
00:55:11 tg2: it was hard enough to offload 50btc worth at 281 and not crash it down
00:55:22 BingoBoingo: tg2: Well you could make some headlines, the press loves the Dogers
00:55:24 tg2: had a 20btc buywall and was just selling to anybody who poked over it for 3 hours
00:55:35 tg2: they sponsored a nascar team
00:55:38 benkay: those illiquid markets
00:55:39 tg2: asking me to help
00:55:47 tg2: i'm like you want me to sponsor a no-name nascar team
00:55:48 tg2: for 1 race
00:55:52 tg2: solid investment champs
00:56:27 BingoBoingo: Maybe set an ask wall at 72 satoshis
00:57:13 tg2: its all about dark
00:57:15 tg2: i wish there was more volume
00:57:39 tg2: anyway, play money - easy come easy go
00:57:39 benkay: you and every other *coiner sitting on a hoard.
00:57:48 tg2: i like to spend my coins
00:58:47 benkay: last night i tried to put a photo onto my iphone
00:58:51 benkay: lolzolozozolollolzozl
00:59:23 moiety: christ, not another drama please - even if the last drama landed us in bitcoinmagazine in the end - i'd like a break.
00:59:42 benkay: what's today's drama moiety?
01:00:16 moiety: tg2: so you hate the fact that you have all this doge... and this led you to think it would be a great idea to get a pile of dark coin? *failing to see the logic here*
01:00:32 moiety: benkay: no i just mean a crash would be lol
01:00:52 benkay: much kek
01:02:05 tg2: i had too much doge
01:02:07 tg2: so i bought darkcoin
01:02:12 tg2: whats not to understand
01:02:21 tg2: which part are you having trouble with
01:02:26 tg2: look closer if you can't see the logic
01:02:31 *: moiety speaks slowly: the logic behind it
01:02:39 wao-ender: yay startups
01:02:43 moiety: if you hated the first experience so much....
01:02:49 tg2: i hated making money
01:02:51 wao-ender: tg2: top3 startups from montreal
01:02:52 tg2: it was really maddening for me
01:03:04 tg2: i bought 50btc worth because my firend wouldn't shut up about altcoins
01:03:12 tg2: and then it went 6x in like 3 days
01:03:21 tg2: and i was forced to exit with 0 risk and swallow my pride
01:03:34 tg2: i wanted to prove to him that it was a bad idea to buy dogecoins while they were on the decline
01:03:40 tg2: and all altcoins
01:03:44 tg2: but alas, fucking doggers
01:03:55 wao-ender: very rich
01:03:58 *: moiety wasn't actually looking for a book response //rhetorical questions ftw
01:04:11 tg2: > asks question
01:04:13 tg2: > gets answer
01:04:16 tg2: > answer is satisfactory
01:04:22 tg2: > shitpost that it was rhetorical
01:04:30 moiety: are you on cocaine by any chance tg2?
01:04:31 tg2: > pwhew saved my ass on that one
01:04:54 *: jadne looks at moiety
01:05:32 moiety: can i help you jadne?
01:06:09 tg2: wao-ender: passwordbox, lagoa
01:06:13 tg2: we had a decent one called 5by
01:06:23 tg2: but they sold for like $2 to stumbleupon
01:06:28 jadne: moiety: i think it is the general consensus that i am beyond help.
01:06:33 tg2: as all startups in this shit hole do
01:06:39 benkay: what's up, jadne?
01:06:43 wao-ender: passwordmanager?
01:06:45 wao-ender: c'mon
01:06:48 wao-ender: so last decade
01:06:51 tg2: yeah thats what i said!
01:06:54 jadne: benkay: nothing? must something "be up"?
01:07:03 tg2: i guess people really want to keep their credentials in somebody elses hands, you can't deny that market demand
01:07:04 tg2: lol
01:07:18 benkay: well you're beyond help, neh? surely there's something afoot.
01:07:27 benkay: perhaps not up or elevated, but afoot or acunt
01:07:52 *: jadne checks her acunt
01:07:55 jadne: nope
01:07:58 wao-ender: lagoa looks cheesy
01:08:04 benkay: everything kosher down south?
01:08:15 jadne: as far as i can tell. i mean, i havent had a rabbi look.
01:08:25 benkay: it takes more than a look, jadne
01:08:26 jadne: there doesnt seem to be any shellfish or dairy
01:08:37 benkay: oh the talmud is complex
01:08:43 benkay: requires a professional etc
01:09:19 *: jadne nods
01:09:36 benkay: moiety: is this one yours?
01:09:50 moiety: not guilty!
01:10:14 benkay: how came ye by -assets, jadne?
01:10:25 jadne: i forget who i was stalking.
01:10:29 jadne: maybe @aantonop
01:10:33 benkay: <-- professional cunstultant
01:10:44 benkay: cuntsultant
01:10:47 benkay: cunt sultan!
01:10:53 jadne: and then it just seemed like a reasonable group of people to spend idle time with
01:11:09 benkay: har the assettes? reasonable?
01:11:17 jadne: ha
01:11:24 jadne: compared to some of the other irc channels i idle in?
01:11:26 jadne: yeah.
01:11:27 BingoBoingo: Is @aantonop ever ehre?
01:11:35 jadne: the drama is un-fucking-believable in some places
01:11:45 jadne: BingoBoingo: not by that nick that i have noticed, no
01:12:08 TestingUnoDosTre: whats the best alternative to password manager? just encrypt the file yourself with a password?
01:12:51 cazalla: i really hope redban baits andreas next time he is on the podcast
01:13:15 benkay: TestingUnoDosTre: that's a good start
01:15:12 moiety: benkay, are you saying im unreasonable? D: *gasp*
01:16:05 benkay: i've yet to meet a reasonable woman :D
01:16:12 moiety: lololol
01:16:41 jadne: truth.
01:17:29 benkay: but it's not all about you, moiety
01:17:32 benkay: sheesh
01:17:40 jadne: heh
01:18:28 moiety: ach weesht you, none of its ever about me :P i need a sarcasm tag
01:19:08 benkay: now now i'm playing along
01:20:48 moiety: ik that ;P
01:21:21 BingoBoingo: Odds look out of alignment here http://bitbet.us/bet/740/may-i-suggest-9b-difficulty/
01:21:22 moiety: now where did i put that duct tape....
01:22:17 benkay: oh wow moiety just what are you planning to do with the tape now?
01:23:06 moiety: i can't say, it could be used against me at a later date....
01:23:49 *: benkay raises just...one...eyebrow.
01:23:51 moiety: lol BingoBoingo i'm tempted by this one http://bitbet.us/bet/795/this-summer-will-be-the-hottest-on-record/
01:24:26 BingoBoingo: moiety: Go for it
01:24:35 moiety: england's summer falls on a different day to scotland's though
01:25:42 moiety: this could skew my betting
01:27:08 moiety: quite amazed its so high on no
01:27:37 moiety: oh its only 1:1
01:27:48 BingoBoingo: Yeah, just starting bets
01:29:45 benkay: so bitbet is averaging just about 1 accepted bet/day for the past two weeks
01:33:11 ozbot: BitBet - S.MPOE to rise above 0.001 before July
01:33:47 BingoBoingo: sounds about right
01:33:49 benkay: this one has some steel behind it:
01:33:50 ozbot: BitBet - Iron Ore 62% Fe, CFR China (TSI) Jan 2015 over $200 at any point in 2014
01:34:14 benkay: vastly more than the bitstamp out of business one lolzolzo
01:35:55 TestingUnoDosTre: surprised bitstamp under 500 before may doesnt have more...
01:39:24 MisterE: Note name of author: http://www.pfhub.com/poll-americans-distrust-bitcoin-and-prefer-gold-457/#sthash.yidxzuVA.dpuf --> http://i.imgur.com/8reXviD.jpg
01:42:16 benkay: i've been wondering what big texty tattoo i should do
01:42:25 benkay: hex of the genesis block seems appropriate for this chapter in my life
01:42:36 jadne: ha
01:42:45 jadne: that would be kind of cool
01:42:54 jadne: i'd be impressed if you showed me that at a con :)
01:43:25 MisterE: xD
01:48:44 benkay: (and his dong)
01:48:58 TestingUnoDosTre: on his dong8
01:49:03 ozbot: Mircea Popescu - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
01:51:11 benkay: my business partner just found the seed for his electrum wallet
01:51:20 benkay: he's losing his shit
01:51:41 moiety: benkay: he is lovely! what a beautiful colour
01:51:52 TestingUnoDosTre: MP, how do those stock distributions work. Like how long does it take one round to end
01:52:24 benkay: moiety: brindles are beautiful.
01:52:38 benkay: baby doll wants a blue one or a fawn one next
01:52:57 MisterE: boy that Frozen movie was nonsense
01:53:26 moiety: brindle is gorgeous i think
01:53:40 moiety: MisterE: why you watching frozen?!
01:53:46 MisterE: yea the girl looked nice
01:53:55 MisterE: ThickAsThieves told me
01:54:09 moiety: but they sing in it *shudders
01:54:35 moiety: wow was the wikipedia made with permission??
01:54:50 MisterE: dunno i always imdb
01:55:04 TestingUnoDosTre: for example, I'm looking at the S.NSA page, and I see the buy quantities, but was thinking there might be timestamps next to each category.
01:55:05 moiety: no i was ref above lol
01:56:05 MisterE: that mutt looks mutty
01:56:13 MisterE: though that is a pretty smart breed iirc
01:57:38 ThickAsThieves: <moiety> MisterE: why you watching frozen?! /// problyno the Frozen you think
01:57:58 jadne: i liked frozen. a lot. :p
01:58:36 moiety: I didn't think you would Disney ThickAsThieves
01:58:40 ThickAsThieves: MisterE, I named many movies that I liked, most better than Frozen
01:58:50 ThickAsThieves: but I do appreciate it nonetheless
01:58:53 mircea_popescu: o look at how famous i am now.
01:59:17 ThickAsThieves: How Famous Are You Now?
01:59:18 MisterE: wow didnt know any of that about mircea_popescu
01:59:36 MisterE: better print it out its up for deletion those nazi editors lol
01:59:42 ThickAsThieves: oh the wiki
01:59:47 MisterE: nice work on the public corruption bit
02:00:12 mircea_popescu: tg2> as proof of concept that it's not idea even, but execution << you are, of course, late in your reading.
02:00:14 MisterE: yea ThickAsThieves the wiki... and to be fair Frozen was not the worst movie I've ever watched
02:00:58 moiety: i see the 2010 one now
02:01:24 MisterE: mircea_popescu: if BSD was in trouble surely they had plenty of notice, years, that they were going to be in trouble? Why the suddenly, "we're broke and need a lifeline"?
02:01:47 MisterE: yea moiety 2010 and it has a ski lift chair on the front
02:01:57 MisterE: there are other frozen titles
02:02:41 mircea_popescu: MisterE it's complicated, of course.
02:03:00 MisterE: how? either they mismanaged their money or there was a big event?
02:03:10 pankkake: or it's a good way to raise funds
02:03:21 MisterE: heh fair point
02:03:50 pankkake: though nonprofits really like when people subscribe (i.e. donate every month) most people don't
02:04:00 mircea_popescu: MisterE generally speaking, everything that exists has needs. after someone finances them their being financed seems the most natural, easiest thing in the world, and hardly worth the mention.
02:04:19 mircea_popescu: before anyone does, however, no one either wants to or really intends to, and the future looks more like an end.
02:04:25 MisterE: no I know foss projects need ongoing financing
02:04:32 mircea_popescu: way of the world.
02:04:49 TestingUnoDosTre: and hows the lelsSEC scandle proceeding?
02:04:56 mircea_popescu: so yes, they had been wailing for months that they're screwed.
02:05:39 mircea_popescu: TestingUnoDosTre nothing much really. like one of those 1950s broads, nose up in the air and a lot of hot puff in the head i'm sure.
02:05:41 MisterE: alright, I assume you checked their financial management was sound before funding them
02:05:47 mircea_popescu: as if cocks now suck themselves or something.
02:05:49 MisterE: you're not dummy
02:06:03 MisterE: WTF? where can i get one of them ASAP?
02:06:20 mircea_popescu: so who's jadne ?
02:07:03 jadne: mircea_popescu: er
02:07:20 jadne: i have been lurking and contributing infrequently for ... i dunno, weeks or months maybe
02:07:28 mircea_popescu: cool.
02:07:41 MisterE: o/
02:08:01 jadne: but this evening i find myself alone at home and substantially bored and somebody here said something that caught my attention and i have not subsequently minimized the window
02:09:09 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo by now, who even knows who reads the website proceeds.
02:09:45 mircea_popescu: TestingUnoDosTre:
02:09:45 mircea_popescu: whats the best alternative to password manager? just encrypt the file yourself with a password? << gpg --encrypt --armor -r yourname
02:09:47 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Is that a typo I left somewhere?
02:09:58 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you were asking about aantonp
02:10:07 BingoBoingo: Ah
02:10:08 MisterE: TestingUnoDosTre: and you can store it in your git
02:10:30 ozbot: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mircea Popescu - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
02:10:44 MisterE: did you do that BingoBoingo ?
02:10:53 BingoBoingo: MisterE: Do what?
02:11:06 MisterE: theose fucken nazi editors quick deleted all the pages I strted too
02:11:12 MisterE: the wiki page on MP
02:11:16 BingoBoingo: Nah,
02:11:25 mircea_popescu: lol some massive trollage there huh.
02:11:28 BingoBoingo: MP's page isn't deleted, but they are "discussing it"
02:11:30 mircea_popescu: your handiwork ?
02:11:53 MisterE: hah, I wish. Great idea though now you mention it.
02:11:58 BingoBoingo: My only contribution to the thing was: "Keep The footnotes seem to establish sufficient coverage to definitely establish notability worthy of inclusion in an encyclopedic reference. Media references to him seem likely to be sustained into the future so long as Bitcoin remains relevant. It should also be noted the the Romanian language sources that mention him do not detract from the notability. He's attracted substantial interest
02:11:58 BingoBoingo: in the Romanian language space in the past and has been gathering a lot of notice in the English language space. Since he doesn't seem to be slowing down on doing big thing or on attracting big headlines, criticism on the basis on notability sounds weak. Mr Wave (Talk - Contribs) 02:09, 27 March 2014 (UTC)"
02:12:03 mircea_popescu: jeez look at that, the discussing it page is larger than the actual article.
02:12:18 *: jadne has an alias for gpg -sear
02:12:43 ozbot: Talk:Mircea Popescu - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
02:13:10 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i mean the second one you linked
02:13:20 pankkake: pretty much every new page on WP gets a deletion page
02:13:27 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Yeah, that is them derping about deleting or not.
02:13:29 pankkake: it's like half of the active editors are deleters
02:13:40 mircea_popescu: heh you know what, this mess gives me hope. if wikipedia can be this insanely nutty/bureaucratic/fastidious and survive
02:13:50 mircea_popescu: maybe there is hope for our "stfu and go read for six months" approach to life.
02:14:04 BingoBoingo: pankkake: Back in the days of it being library school homework I stealthed in some pages that didn't get the delte flag
02:14:12 TestingUnoDosTre: it's hilarious because there's no real difference between an actual wikipedia talk/discussion and trolling
02:14:23 pankkake: well it wasn't like that before
02:14:23 mircea_popescu: i can't believe they're discussing each other's intentions as a pre-requisite to discussing whether they should be discussing if the thing should be discussed.
02:14:25 mircea_popescu: or w/e it is.
02:15:00 BingoBoingo: Well, ad hominem is effective if fallacious
02:15:08 mircea_popescu: i guess if one provides employees wikipedia links that should count as anticonceptionals under obamacare ?
02:15:18 BingoBoingo: Prolly
02:16:58 mircea_popescu: lmao
02:17:09 mircea_popescu: ah come on, that must be sockpuppetry.
02:17:26 BingoBoingo: Note who suggested deletion of the Taaki article
02:17:26 mircea_popescu: i can't wrap my head around the notion someone seriously considered that thing is an article.
02:17:56 mircea_popescu: waiot and there's a reddit ?!
02:18:28 jadne: mircea_popescu: on wikipedia, it kind of works as an article as it is thoroughly-sourced
02:18:40 jadne: the idea being somebody will come along later with a better grasp of how to fucking wite
02:18:43 jadne: wrrrrrite
02:18:48 mircea_popescu: the taaki thing ?
02:18:56 mircea_popescu: you have got to be kidding me.
02:19:01 jadne: oh, derp
02:19:12 jadne: disregard me, it hought you were talking about "your" article
02:19:27 jadne: we now return to our regularly scheduled lurking
02:19:28 BingoBoingo: I still can't believe Taaki wanted to self delete on the wiki
02:19:46 mircea_popescu: all art is feigning.
02:19:58 benkay: and piracy
02:20:00 BingoBoingo: So is all sport
02:20:08 mircea_popescu: TestingUnoDosTre what about stock distributions were you asking ?
02:20:17 TestingUnoDosTre: like S.NSA
02:20:52 mircea_popescu: stock is announced, people put bids in, stock is issued, then it trades.
02:20:59 TestingUnoDosTre: on your page, you list the amount like 100,000 , and the price in BTC, like .00000001
02:21:10 mircea_popescu: you mean on mpex ?
02:21:12 TestingUnoDosTre: but I'm wondering how much time it took for the next round to end
02:21:13 TestingUnoDosTre: yes
02:21:21 TestingUnoDosTre: stock purchasing, IPO funding
02:21:32 mircea_popescu: there was only one round in s.nsa.
02:22:17 TestingUnoDosTre: What about multiple buy quantities at multiple prices
02:22:25 TestingUnoDosTre: is that not considered multiple rounds?
02:22:26 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-10-2013#340311
02:22:29 ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
02:22:31 BingoBoingo: Each of the MPEx stocks IPO'd a bit differently. I imagine it is mircea_popescu Still working on a "best" way to do it.
02:22:32 mircea_popescu: that was the announcement
02:22:43 TestingUnoDosTre: that's the page I'm looking at
02:22:50 TestingUnoDosTre: whats with all the data in the top right?
02:23:03 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2013#351229
02:23:05 ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
02:23:06 mircea_popescu: that was the ipo.
02:23:25 TestingUnoDosTre: errr sorry. Blocks is the word I'm looking for
02:23:27 mircea_popescu: at the top right ? you mean the book ?
02:23:29 mircea_popescu: $depth s.nsa
02:23:33 mircea_popescu: that stuff ?
02:23:37 TestingUnoDosTre: yeah
02:23:42 mircea_popescu: that's the book.
02:23:48 TestingUnoDosTre: ooook
02:24:00 ozbot: Amir Taaki: Difference between revisions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
02:24:36 mircea_popescu: no fucking way ?!
02:24:42 ozbot: Erotic chat by Skype
02:24:49 TestingUnoDosTre: so all IPO shares were bought at .0001?
02:25:10 mircea_popescu: "these girls are really horny and excited about doing this."
02:25:21 mircea_popescu: TestingUnoDosTre well yes.
02:26:03 benkay: just voice chat?
02:26:05 benkay: wackness.
02:26:07 mircea_popescu: i wonder if it was him doing voices ?
02:26:24 mircea_popescu: "Occupation chairman, Bitcoin Consultancy"
02:26:27 TestingUnoDosTre: lol
02:26:49 mircea_popescu: you remember bitcoin consultancy, i'm sure. the thing which is still liable for bitcoinica loss. you remember bitcoinica, i'm sure. the dry run for the mtgox fiasco.
02:28:10 BingoBoingo: Ofc
02:28:15 BingoBoingo: This seems familiar https://encyclopediadramatica.es/Chronic_Troll_Syndrome
02:29:18 bitcoinpete: i'm heading out the door and i'll bbl but i just published this:
02:29:22 ozbot: The 5 Ws of WoT | When Bitcoin Met Pete
02:29:40 TestingUnoDosTre: okay so for BitBet, how did you release the shares in blocks?
02:29:43 benkay: bitcoinpete: reminder friday's a day
02:29:54 mircea_popescu: TestingUnoDosTre yes.
02:30:06 TestingUnoDosTre: I see the numbers etc
02:30:08 mircea_popescu: as far as i recall bitcoin's most exciting ipo to date.
02:30:28 TestingUnoDosTre: but how did you make sure that one person's bid made it into a block, or did not
02:30:34 BingoBoingo: BitBet is basically Bitcoin's most exciting everything
02:30:38 mircea_popescu: Jan 05 07:38:59 <mircea_popescu> sooo, drumroll!
02:30:46 mircea_popescu: sadly public logs don't go that far.
02:30:49 bitcoinpete: benkay: remembered!
02:30:51 mircea_popescu: (jan 2013)
02:31:07 benkay: cya, bitcoinpete
02:32:10 benkay: ;;ud kipping
02:32:11 ozbot: Urban Dictionary: kipping
02:33:05 ozbot: dpaste: #1758473
02:33:05 mircea_popescu: there.
02:33:47 benkay: anduck lolzolzozl
02:33:51 mircea_popescu: meanwhile elsewere in the swamp,
02:33:51 ozbot: Citigroup Fails Fed Stress Test as Goldman, BofA Alter Plans - Bloomberg
02:34:30 BingoBoingo: At least MPEx and MPOE survived the February options stress test
02:34:51 benkay: wait, mpoe survived?!
02:35:18 ozbot: Exclusive: U.S. to require casinos to vet high rollers' funds - sources
02:35:30 BingoBoingo: benkay: Sure, just the bot is on leave
02:35:42 benkay: no, there are no options on sale.
02:35:49 benkay: this is distinct from the bot quoting.
02:35:53 BingoBoingo: benkay: There can be if you write them
02:35:59 benkay: wat rly?
02:36:03 mircea_popescu: notrly.
02:36:11 benkay: mircea_popescu: confirm?
02:36:13 benkay: ya I TO JOO
02:36:14 mircea_popescu: not atm anyway. but yes, if you want to mm options we can work it out
02:36:22 benkay: ahahahahahahahahah
02:36:24 benkay: oh my sides
02:36:29 benkay: yeah if you think you can beat mp
02:36:39 benkay: feel free to mm options in btc
02:36:39 benkay: gl kids
02:36:47 BingoBoingo: And MPOE is alive
02:37:03 benkay: the asset by ticker of S.MPOE is alive
02:37:09 benkay: the options emporium, eh
02:37:23 benkay: do forgive my pedantry.
02:37:29 nubbins`: !t m s.mpoe
02:37:38 mircea_popescu: benkay you know how many people ask me about random x y z "wall street outfit" that's going to make an options market and whart do i think etc ?
02:37:47 BingoBoingo: The options emporium is open to anyone willing to MM options without shitting themselves
02:37:53 mircea_popescu: and i usually go "sure, why not. send me pictures."
02:38:02 benkay: with no options it ain't much of an emporium, BingoBoingo
02:38:11 mircea_popescu: it is now the pimporium.
02:38:28 BingoBoingo: benkay: I'm thinking some koans might be relevant.
02:38:34 nubbins`: m-pop
02:38:51 Mats_cd03: somehow share price managed to appreciate *after* options are pulled
02:38:52 benkay: koan me baby
02:38:52 benkay: koan sweetly in my ear
02:39:02 Mats_cd03: can someone explain that?
02:39:17 velly: hey guys
02:39:17 benkay: options were confusing
02:39:45 mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 either a) people are insane ; b) there's more afoot than meets the eye ; or c) the options were perceived as more of a risk source than revenue source.
02:39:46 benkay: no confusion -> more easily determined price?
02:39:46 benkay: iono. ask de massah
02:40:03 benkay: hey velly, what's news
02:40:04 BingoBoingo: Student walks into a bookstore mid semester and sees no textbooks on the shelves, asks the manager what kind of bookstore is this. Manager replies, this is the bookstore you need. You just don't need it now.
02:40:38 Mats_cd03: i see
02:41:00 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell bitcoinpete i'm not so crazy about your spacing and formatting of irc snippets
02:41:01 mircea_popescu: very airy.
02:41:06 asciilifeform: commented on the wikiwankatron, for what that's worth.
02:41:26 velly: sorry im a bit of a noob, can anyone help me out? What is a good price for s.mpoe and how do I get into it
02:41:28 ozbot: Mind Your Manners: Ocean City To Post ‘No Profanity’ Signs « CBS Baltimore
02:41:43 benkay: oooooooh mircea_popescu fixed his footnote linespacing
02:41:55 benkay: talking all kinds of shit on everyone else's design work nao
02:42:01 mircea_popescu: the people who had wikipedia accounts ?!
02:42:07 mircea_popescu: check out asciilifeform : ten contributions since 2006.
02:42:10 asciilifeform: lol
02:42:18 asciilifeform: i'm not much of a pediwikist, no.
02:42:39 mircea_popescu: previous being a jan 2013 thing on naggum
02:42:44 mircea_popescu: more flattered, i could not be.
02:42:54 asciilifeform: lolmatic
02:43:06 mircea_popescu: velly it's a good idea to take your time, read, etc.
02:43:10 mircea_popescu: mpoe isn't going anywhere.
02:43:33 velly: ok sounds good
02:43:37 velly: where do I start
02:43:48 mircea_popescu: here. the log is in the topic
02:43:55 mircea_popescu: you can read that backwards, it's enlightening
02:44:00 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i had no idea he died 40
02:44:15 mircea_popescu: man sounds ancient.
02:44:32 BingoBoingo: ;;ident BingoBoingo
02:44:33 velly: the irc log?
02:44:35 asciilifeform: he did. very treatable disease (gastric something or other) left untreated. it was arguably a kind of suicide by self-neglect
02:44:55 mircea_popescu: velly yes
02:45:14 asciilifeform: the man was loaded, left a very well-kept library that was auctioned off. and a cat. was a sort of disillusioned type.
02:45:24 velly: seems a bit dry...
02:45:25 asciilifeform: found dead at his console, i believe.
02:45:31 mircea_popescu: "In 1995, Erik started a journalism watch-group project on the web, campaigning to get a journalist sacked from Aftenposten following the publication of a sensationalist story about how Internet Relay Chat channels were used to trade child pornography."
02:45:38 mircea_popescu: such a waste of champagne
02:45:42 BingoBoingo: Was there something earlier about needing an education experienced person to contribute to a reading list?
02:45:53 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo yes there was.
02:46:19 mircea_popescu: but i gather the consensus was, dump everything on lampelina and then scream at her for it not being right.
02:46:25 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I might actually have training and experience in the education field.
02:46:41 mircea_popescu: so in that case maybe put together something ?
02:46:41 BingoBoingo: Lemme GPG and paste the credentials
02:47:05 velly: anything more directly informative? I'm not really sure I want to read through this whole log--- even so far there's a lot of fluff...
02:47:19 asciilifeform: quite possibly, naggum died of regret - for being responsible for 'xml'
02:47:46 mircea_popescu: velly not really. it's like a monk's life, you know ? no way to separate the learning from the toil.
02:47:47 BingoBoingo: velly: Stuff is being worked on.
02:48:02 asciilifeform: he took engineering standards very seriously. very much, almost pathologically, a 'future-oriented' fellow
02:48:03 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform shameful thing to be responsible for.
02:48:18 TestingUnoDosTre: who are you guys talking about meow?
02:48:45 asciilifeform: TestingUnoDosTre: a mr. erik naggum, died in 2009.
02:49:11 velly: thanks guys, I'll have a look into this. I have somewhat of a futures background, but I'd like to make sure I'm well informed before I start on this side of things.
02:49:44 mircea_popescu: velly it may seem preposterous to begin with, but take the word of a stranger in a chatroom :
02:49:48 asciilifeform: lol pediwikia has already proclaimed me a spammer
02:49:53 mircea_popescu: the time you spend reading that stupid fluff will be the best roi of your life.
02:50:20 velly: you're not a stranger :)
02:50:20 asciilifeform: how's that
02:50:31 mircea_popescu: they can't be fucking serious lmao
02:51:14 velly: but unfortunately I'm not in a position to read long IRC chat logs
02:51:36 Apocalyptic: you don't have to read all of it at once you know
02:51:56 mircea_popescu: " Dem State Senator Who Authored Gun Control Legislation Arrested for Conspiring to Traffic Firearms"
02:51:57 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: mailed, figuring out this GPG for jpg's thing
02:52:01 velly: it goes on for months
02:52:11 mircea_popescu: i wonder what he is could also having problems for.
02:52:17 mircea_popescu: velly years, actually.
02:52:38 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you dun have to proveanything, just do something that works.
02:52:54 velly: not everyone has time for that
02:53:05 velly: seems like there are better sources for the information
02:53:12 velly: I don't want your judgement
02:53:21 velly: I just want to know where to start to inform myself
02:53:30 chetty: the log with the reuters interview would be a good start
02:53:42 velly: how can I even know that the discussion in here is reliable or correct?
02:53:42 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I really just wanted to take a picture of the diploma. I spent way too much on it for too little return. Having it in the Dossier at MP intel central at least makes up some of the waste
02:53:51 mircea_popescu: lol
02:54:09 mircea_popescu: velly you can't.
02:54:12 mircea_popescu: which is part of your problem.
02:54:44 mircea_popescu: chetty i guess, if he were specifically a journalist looking for how to behave in the new, post-fiat world.
02:55:17 velly: so why would I bother reading years of unreliable and irrelevant discussion
02:55:48 BingoBoingo: velly: So that you might in a year know what parts are reliable
02:55:49 mircea_popescu: that you can't figure out that it is reliable and relevant doesn't make it the opposite.
02:56:03 chetty: the interview log has a lot of good links
02:56:05 asciilifeform: answered the 'you are a spammer' fellow, for what that's worth.
02:56:32 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there are probably numerous better uses fdor your time
02:56:38 asciilifeform: surely.
02:56:41 mircea_popescu: among them, making paper out of celophane
02:56:46 mircea_popescu: (it can be done)
02:57:12 velly: I have to go now, lunch break over and have work to do. Thanks for everyone's help. Sadly, not everyone has infinite time.
02:58:15 mircea_popescu: the beauty of life on earth is that no one has infinite time.
02:58:24 mircea_popescu: so it's always a sorting problem.
02:59:27 velly: well reading that IRC log would simply break my np complexity limits :v
02:59:36 mircea_popescu: that's the point :D
02:59:54 mircea_popescu: i think this convo may actually become canonical link-to for future people who have the problem.
03:00:18 asciilifeform: i think the dynamics of pediwikia 'deletionism' are vaguely interesting - the innumerable pages on obscure fictional characters, etc. that stand perfectly firm, and so on. but the topic has been beaten to death elsewhere.
03:00:39 mircea_popescu: not unrelated to "where can i read all about the english language ?" "uh... just pick up a book ?" "what if it sucks ?" "... what do you want from me!"
03:02:00 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the more fascinating observation, reviewing this bowlfull of guts irc has graciously thrown at me, is just how... innate! the bureaucratic behaviour is.
03:02:20 asciilifeform: the 'beetle type'
03:02:23 mircea_popescu: people derping about evil government have it all wrong. people WANT to spend their time toiling pointlessly, with small tools.
03:02:36 mircea_popescu: where is that lion tamer schetch
03:02:55 ozbot: Monty Python - Lion Tamer - YouTube
03:02:56 mircea_popescu: there we go
03:03:16 asciilifeform: who thrives on 'housing committee' and similar places. takes delight in demolishing orchards, at the owner's expense, for 'violations', and the like.
03:03:41 mircea_popescu: incidentally... anyone seen all about eve ?
03:03:47 asciilifeform: they exist, and are the muscle, bones, of bureaucracy
03:03:48 mircea_popescu: very young monroe,
03:04:22 mircea_popescu: very powerful davis, splendid george sanders
03:04:47 nubbins`: sea of love was good
03:04:51 asciilifeform: 'territorial' behaviour, not even specifically mammalian
03:05:13 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not even sure it's that. maybe it is.
03:05:25 mircea_popescu: but it's the pointlessness of the activity that strikes me.
03:05:40 mircea_popescu: consider greenspun's earlier point :
03:06:10 benkay: velly: you don't have to read the whole logs, just sit and lurk and digest
03:06:19 benkay: it'll be great roi, take it from a stranger
03:06:29 mircea_popescu: "This oldster has tenure. He draws the same salary regardless of whether he sits through those interminable boring committee meetings. Why would he agree to do it? Why wouldn't he rather be playing squash, riding a horse, flying an aircraft, walking his dog, etc.?"
03:06:39 mircea_popescu: his ready answer is that "The distressing possibility that the oldster agreed to be on the committee so that he would have a venue in which people would listen to him does not occur to the youngster."
03:06:46 mircea_popescu: but maybe that's only part of the problem.
03:07:17 mircea_popescu: maybe what the real problem is has more to do with lions. as long as we sit put and do nothing, a lot of pointless, small, provably impotent nothing...
03:07:21 mircea_popescu: ... we.... we cant die.
03:07:24 asciilifeform: there is also the undying, zoological enmity of mediocrity to anything colourful, alive.
03:07:32 BingoBoingo: I had a professor like that. Octagenarian stroke survivor.
03:07:36 mircea_popescu: i believe it is fear of death.
03:07:46 BingoBoingo: TA'd for them
03:08:08 asciilifeform: beetle man lives a kind of demo version of death, even alive
03:08:27 asciilifeform: he already knows what he sums to - zero
03:08:28 mircea_popescu: don't go up and strike a conversation with the tall woman. why not ? well...
03:08:43 BingoBoingo: They wore basketball shorts and a wifebeater to lecture unless they had higher university business on a particular day
03:08:45 mircea_popescu: it's not the woman that's intimidating, of course. but she looks like the sort of men that'd pursue her might kill you
03:08:53 mircea_popescu: and so with everything else. hoc sunt leones.
03:09:13 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo wifebeater ?! seriously ?
03:10:22 Mats_cd03: og
03:10:23 cazalla: that's like half my wardrobe
03:10:27 nubbins`: ^ heh
03:10:32 cazalla: but i'm aussie so it goes without saying
03:10:38 nubbins`: the other half being a pair of pants?
03:10:52 mircea_popescu: a pinskirt ?
03:11:18 mircea_popescu: wifebeater and pin skirt. now that'd be the outfit.
03:11:50 cazalla: if i said thongs, i guess you couldn't be blamed for thinking pin skirt
03:12:06 moiety: i dont mean to contribute more fluff, but we might have to stage an intervention for asciilifeform; first the lolcats, now internet spam, it'll be reflinks next.... :o
03:12:34 mircea_popescu: moiety and by we i mean you. sick'im girl.
03:13:17 asciilifeform: possible revelance to beetle men discussion:
03:13:22 asciilifeform: ;;google Jonathan Haidt foundations
03:13:27 asciilifeform: see 'purity'
03:14:25 asciilifeform: (tldr - psychology crackpot who wrote a taxonomy of human motivations)
03:14:25 mircea_popescu: "b) is actually Romanian, and perhaps in some relation to the Romanian Foreign service."
03:14:29 mircea_popescu: wait wait... the plot thickens
03:14:44 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It is the coloqualism for a sleeveless undershirt
03:14:44 mircea_popescu: i'm being persecuted in effigy by wikipedia james blond.
03:14:48 moiety: asciilifeform: i demand you hand over all your manul pics, its for your own good.
03:15:04 asciilifeform: moiety: pet the manul (tm)
03:15:05 mircea_popescu: (with a black shoe)
03:15:57 mircea_popescu: no wonder painting is dead as an art. who, or should i say what, to paint ?
03:16:52 asciilifeform: MisterE: if i recall, from same: http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Futurama_740ef3_1220967.gif
03:17:08 mircea_popescu: "1) Care/harm: This foundation is related to our long evolution as mammals with attachment systems and an ability to feel (and dislike) the pain of others. It underlies virtues of kindness, gentleness, and nurturance."
03:17:13 mircea_popescu: there's no such dislike of pain in others.
03:17:32 mircea_popescu: "2) Fairness/cheating: This foundation is related to the evolutionary process of reciprocal altruism."
03:17:33 mircea_popescu: pfff
03:17:40 mircea_popescu: just add global warming and stir.
03:18:04 mircea_popescu: it's a wholly innovative, verily incisive bit of us-science.
03:18:47 moiety: MisterE: I fear for a Farmville revival VR style via OR
03:18:48 mircea_popescu: red on blue, always a good choice.
03:18:59 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if i recall, the writer in question wasn't prescribing 'principles' for people, but tried to catalogue where various anthropological common threads (taboos among savages, etc.) were.
03:19:08 Apocalyptic: moar contrast needed
03:19:14 asciilifeform: admittedly through the lens of, well, whatever he was.
03:19:23 moiety: aww i was hoping for lycra in the link BingoBoingo
03:19:36 mircea_popescu: moiety http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7f/Cotton_planter_and_pickers1908.jpg
03:20:05 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes. and he catalogued them into "martini" and "gin"
03:20:07 BingoBoingo: moiety: Consolation prize maybe? http://thesouthern.com/news/local/student-levels-racism-charges-in-siu-department/article_0ed2a97a-cd94-11e2-a088-001a4bcf887a.html
03:20:11 mircea_popescu: wherein of course martini is not a vermouth.
03:20:35 asciilifeform: ;;borges chinese encyclopaedia
03:20:39 asciilifeform: ;;google borges chinese encyclopaedia
03:21:26 asciilifeform: imho not entirely useless.
03:21:57 MisterE: ahh yes Bryn Mawr, the consolation prize of Ivy league schools
03:22:51 asciilifeform: MisterE: if it weren't for emmy noether, would anyone ever know of bryn mawr ?
03:22:56 MisterE: also known as a finishing school for Southern hussies on the hunt for financial security
03:23:14 MisterE: :)
03:23:21 ozbot: [1403.6676] Bitcoin Transaction Malleability and MtGox
03:23:21 mircea_popescu: you say that as if it were a bad thing.
03:23:44 rithm: These jokes are so high brow
03:23:50 mircea_popescu: an earnest hussy looking for a husband'd seem a lot more respectable than a pretentious priss pretending she belongs in tech or government or w/e.
03:24:40 mircea_popescu: punkman1 so are they saying that mtgox made it up ?
03:24:50 punkman1: mircea_popescu: seems like it
03:24:50 MisterE: there's nothing wrong about being up front about the desire for security when selecting a mate
03:25:34 moiety: BingoBoingo: o.o is he actually racist or is jackson butthurt for never being promoted?
03:25:51 BingoBoingo: moiety: I'll decline to comment.
03:27:01 benkay: mircea_popescu: except in the us where the notion of a 'wife' in the older than a decade sense is abhorrent to the youth.
03:28:18 BingoBoingo: Oh, so many fucking vircurex notes
03:29:20 BingoBoingo: moiety: Probably a little bit of each, but I had moved on by then
03:29:43 ozbot: Errata Security: We may have witnessed a NSA "Shotgiant" TAO-like action
03:29:55 *: moiety nods I was thinking this BingoBoingo
03:30:24 MisterE: benkay: most of the world is OK with a 20 years age diff
03:30:30 BingoBoingo: moiety: I've met both of them, but my knowledge of each is insufficient to make a judgment on who is likely more truthful
03:30:58 mircea_popescu: punkman1 well, it was known since t+1second, but it's good someone actually put it in writing, so to speak.
03:31:32 mircea_popescu: benkay one doesn't get too far in life by paying any heed to the youth.
03:31:58 moiety: BingoBoingo: i'm looking forward to part 2 of vircurex btw // yeah theres nothing quite like university staff politics
03:32:10 punkman1: mircea_popescu: they had been gathering data since Jan 2013, transactions looking like malleability-attacks only spiked after the Mtgox press release
03:32:45 punkman1: someone should bug them to release all that data, would be good to have
03:32:50 mircea_popescu: indeed.
03:33:06 mircea_popescu: do we know who they are ?
03:33:13 BingoBoingo: moiety: Well they were one of the earliest crypto-concerns I had dealt with back in early 2013. I have a lot of notes. // Well I threw up in one or both party's residence at least once
03:33:31 punkman1: Christian Dcker, Roger Wattenhofer, ETH Zurich
03:33:38 punkman1: *Decker
03:33:48 BingoBoingo: ;;gettrust chatquack
03:33:52 MisterE: I don't believe the malleability bug had much of anything to do with Gox's insolvency
03:35:21 punkman1: "However, while MtGox claimed to have lost 850,000 bitcoins due to malleability attacks, we merely observed a total of 302,000 bitcoins ever being involved in malleability attacks. Of these, only 1,811 bitcoins were in attacks before MtGox stopped users from withdrawing bitcoins. Even more, 78.64% of these attacks were ineffective."
03:35:35 mircea_popescu: Hamburg University of Applied Sciences ?
03:36:41 MisterE: punkman1: where you reading?
03:36:54 punkman1: MisterE: the paper I linked
03:37:31 ozbot: Distributed Computing Group
03:37:33 *: MisterE scrolls up
03:37:58 ozbot: Americans are skipping the bank: Reconsider that career as a bank teller.
03:39:29 ozbot: Irish banks 'refuse to let Bitcoin firm open account' - Independent.ie
03:40:09 BingoBoingo: What serious Bitcoin firm would want or need a bank account
03:40:32 moiety: thats what i wondred, why are they going to the bank anyways
03:40:57 moiety: also last bit is irrelevant but hilarious "mtgox falling victim..."
03:42:09 mircea_popescu: anyway, this has all been very exciting but i'll have to bid you all a very good morning.
03:42:32 BingoBoingo: lol
03:43:02 moiety: sleep well mircea_popescu
03:49:03 MisterE: later famous dude
03:49:50 CheckDavid: How do these exchanges work in terms of the legal framework?
03:50:07 BingoBoingo: CheckDavid: Depends on the exchange
03:50:10 MisterE: cowboys and indians
03:50:19 CheckDavid: Do people actually own equity in the businesses legally?
03:50:32 CheckDavid: BingoBoingo: yeah. I assume it does for certain
03:50:42 CheckDavid: Can you give some examples?
03:51:03 MisterE: MP owns most of the MPEx chares?
03:51:07 MisterE: shares*
03:51:28 BingoBoingo: Well BTC-TC, Buttfunder, and GLBSE as an example had no legal basis or preparation and collapsed once their thingies touched the legal cunt.
03:52:01 CheckDavid: Thingies ?
03:52:10 BingoBoingo: MPEx prepared for legal confrontation well in advance and has on fraudsters numerous articles detailing their legal prep.
03:52:29 CheckDavid: They should have practiced safe sex
03:52:54 BingoBoingo: CheckDavid: If you aren't prepared to fuck the cunt, you can't rightfully call it a penis, prick, dick, or any rightly adult term.
03:53:21 CheckDavid: I see.
03:53:26 CheckDavid: Very poetical
03:55:03 CheckDavid: I was thinking about funding a business
03:55:16 CheckDavid: A startup
03:55:31 CheckDavid: Not sure about the best option
03:55:35 punkman: CheckDavid: ninjashogun?
03:55:56 CheckDavid: I am not him. But it is related yes
03:56:08 punkman: I mean are you gonna fund him
03:56:16 BingoBoingo: Related in what way?
03:56:35 CheckDavid: No. But I am trying to find a way to.
03:56:49 CheckDavid: BingoBoingo: the subject is related
03:57:06 CheckDavid: I an talking about the same business as he wad
03:57:12 CheckDavid: Was
03:57:17 BingoBoingo: I dunno that he ever revealed a subject
03:57:37 punkman: "stealth mode"
03:57:48 CheckDavid: Not aware of what he discussed here in the past either
03:58:50 BingoBoingo: A something, hardware. Nothing more specific.
03:59:27 CheckDavid: Hardware? It's a web business with no hardware specifics
04:00:27 BingoBoingo: Well, he slathered around several ideas
04:00:41 CheckDavid: Possible
04:00:46 punkman: each worth 49 cents
04:00:58 CheckDavid: Well keys not talk about him. I can't represent all his ideas :)
04:01:05 CheckDavid: *let's
04:01:16 punkman: keys open doors
04:01:22 CheckDavid: Lool
04:06:41 ozbot: Apps with millions of Google Play downloads covertly mine cryptocurrency | Ars Technica
04:08:25 punkman: is ther a scamcoin optimized for phones yet?
04:08:37 punkman: would make sense
04:10:54 BingoBoingo: punkman: at some point in the past I played with a crypto that lived on a single nokia phone
04:14:52 punkman: BingoBoingo: did that ever have a higher marketcap than litecoin?
04:15:41 BingoBoingo: punkman: Well, there was one coin mined and then difficulty adjusted such that a second coin would be impossibru
04:15:55 BingoBoingo: punkman: WOuld the cost of the phone count?
04:16:18 punkman: I don't see why not
04:17:59 Mats_cd03: some smartphones have a surprising amount of horsepower
04:18:40 BingoBoingo: Mats_cd03: Two words on this phone, resistive touchscreen.
04:18:58 BingoBoingo: Dunno if this "coin" could have even survived an internet connection
04:19:11 Mats_cd03: on the subject of cool phones, i want to buy an oppo phone now
04:19:31 punkman: Mats_cd03: the trick would be that only a phone can mine the coin reasonably fast, so you can use your phone botnet to make some easy money
04:20:01 punkman: rather than making dogecents
04:21:26 Mats_cd03: a clever malware writer would optimize certain scamcoins for mining based on the presence of a gpu
04:22:57 BingoBoingo: A clever malware writer could start a phone card bsns based on hijacked phones
04:27:52 Mats_cd03: and how would that work
04:38:06 Apocalyptic: " : he started by announcing 60% shareholding
04:38:06 Apocalyptic: : but he actually owns only 10%?
04:38:06 Apocalyptic: "
04:46:25 tg2: I have an opengl scrypt implementation, works on gpu in webgl, opengl es
04:47:03 tg2: My snapdragon 800 gets like 30kh/s
04:47:07 tg2: But gets hot
04:48:02 tg2: Would be nice on a rogue app with a lot of install base
04:48:24 tg2: Can run it only when phone is plugged in etc
04:50:17 Mats_cd03: thats not bad
04:50:52 tg2: Working on an x11 Version of it
04:51:42 tg2: Cause you could actually mine an x11 coin on a phone cpu/gpu without melting it and get good hashes
04:52:16 tg2: Sneaky tg already working on your ideas for 2 months now
04:52:41 tg2: If anybody has an app with huge install base lemme know
04:54:55 BingoBoingo: tg2: Do you have any ventures that might need a persistent exposure to the core Bitcoin community?
04:56:21 tg2: I have many, some are still in lab right now like this one in particular
04:56:35 tg2: some are less than ethical and I wouldn't discuss here
04:57:50 BingoBoingo: tg2: For a more ethical one you might want to consider http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/03/21/a-fundraiser-because-this-is-way-to-young-to-have-a-paywall-but-hosting-isnt-free/
04:58:13 tg2: I had an open offer on dogecoin for people to pitch me their ideas and have a few promising projects from that
04:58:36 tg2: just registeted truecrypto.com and shopbit.net
04:58:52 BingoBoingo: I have trouble connecting the idea of "dogecoin" and "people"
04:59:05 tg2: Hah, I can't fault you
04:59:27 tg2: I hate dogecoin and I'm one of the top 25 holders of it
04:59:32 BingoBoingo: Yeah
04:59:44 BingoBoingo: Last year I was in a similar position with Devcoin
04:59:58 tg2: You want to hear a sad story
05:00:17 BingoBoingo: Sure
05:00:20 tg2: I bought diablo 3 gold at launch for Bitcoins
05:00:32 BingoBoingo: Damn, already sad
05:00:32 tg2: 50 bitcoins worth
05:00:41 BingoBoingo: Fuckity fuck fuck
05:00:51 tg2: 30m diablo 3 gold
05:01:05 BingoBoingo: And
05:01:05 tg2: go do a quick price check on diablo 3 gold
05:01:08 tg2: lol
05:01:20 BingoBoingo: Fuck
05:01:24 BingoBoingo: !b 11
05:01:46 tg2: Spoiler, it's not worth 30k
05:02:01 VanCleef: anyone log into havelock?
05:02:02 punkman: is it $30?
05:02:05 tg2: No
05:02:22 tg2: It's about $2 for 100m or something
05:02:29 tg2: I haven't checked in a while
05:02:40 punkman: welcome to Zimbabwe
05:03:11 BingoBoingo: I actually last year made a decent trading Eve Isk for S.MPOE and then BTC
05:03:14 tg2: Diablo 3 was the game that made me realise I can't recapture the elation I used to have for games
05:03:24 tg2: sad on many levels
05:03:42 BingoBoingo: I dunno, I'm kind of liking The Stick of Truth
05:03:47 tg2: SimCity reaffirmed it
05:04:08 Mats_cd03: sim city used to be good?
05:04:17 tg2: Oh boy
05:04:23 VanCleef: how good is mr slaves ass level
05:04:28 tg2: Gonna pretend you didn't say that
05:04:46 tg2: Sc2000.exe
05:04:58 tg2: Right in the childhood
05:05:18 tg2: i386
05:05:37 bitcoinpete: ;;later tell mircea_popescu: shift return! aha! the learning never stops. ty for the feedback :D
05:06:04 BingoBoingo: VanCleef: Not that far yet. My Jew is just Jewing around.
05:06:07 tg2: Anyway I'm not even old
05:06:35 tg2: Ctrl+backspace
05:06:39 BingoBoingo: tg2: What are some BTC ventures you aren't afraid of mentioning?
05:07:10 tg2: Not many I suppose
05:07:25 tg2: with what intent
05:07:44 tg2: I'm sure I'll get to know you guys better
05:07:55 Mats_cd03: lol...
05:08:10 tg2: I really know nobody here I just heard about this chan 3 times from 3 different people
05:08:13 BingoBoingo: tg2: Well with the intent of promoting them.
05:08:23 tg2: And they were all surprised I wasn't in it
05:08:36 tg2: promoting, PR?
05:08:53 tg2: I have my own ad network lol I don't need promotion
05:08:55 BingoBoingo: tg2: Really this isn't a channel where your ideas will get scooped unless you explicitly say "hey you guys scoop me on this"
05:09:14 tg2: yeah I keep cards close to the chest
05:09:22 tg2: good ones anyway
05:09:35 tg2: if you hear an idea from my it's my 2-7 off suit
05:10:14 xdotcomm_: you guys do scooping here
05:10:22 Mats_cd03: what a special snowflake
05:10:24 BingoBoingo: xdotcomm_: No, we make news here
05:10:39 tg2: SEC news
05:10:52 tg2: The good kind, you know
05:10:57 BingoBoingo: tg2: Other news well before then
05:11:29 VanCleef: is there something wrong wtih havelock website atm or is it just me?
05:11:47 BingoBoingo: Never really had a need to use it ever VanCleef
05:11:51 tg2: It seemed really slow when I was on it earlier and I'm on a very fat pipe
05:11:53 xdotcomm_: cryptorush is titsup
05:12:10 VanCleef: ok cool thanks
05:12:15 VanCleef: yeh wont even load
05:12:19 tg2: yeah cryptorush drama. I don't get why we don't have a centralized trust exchange yet
05:12:39 VanCleef: what happened to cryptorush, sorry i mised it
05:13:26 xdotcomm_: wtf i though u made the new here
05:13:32 xdotcomm_: BingoBoingo: u on this or what?
05:13:33 BingoBoingo: VanCleef: Run by walmart's finest, ended like an abortus
05:14:04 BingoBoingo: xdotcomm_: What sort of news are you expecting?
05:14:07 VanCleef: link?
05:14:15 VanCleef: to bitcointalk or something
05:14:35 VanCleef: thanks
05:14:46 xdotcomm_: BingoBoingo: I dunno some supery cyber stuff
05:16:27 xdotcomm_: u know whats funny i had like 5mil COINYE on cryptorush
05:17:13 Apocalyptic: hum, been looking for a coin to add to x-bt that isn't an outright scam
05:17:23 Apocalyptic: it's kinda hard to find one so far
05:17:26 VanCleef: ok, just another normal week in bitcoin world
05:17:41 xdotcomm_: yea only 3 now is BTC / LTC /DOGE all other is toxic trash
05:17:49 ozbot: Huge Security Hole in Sendgrid – ChunkHost
05:17:51 Apocalyptic: xdotcomm_, NMC is legit
05:17:55 Apocalyptic: and so is ATC
05:17:56 xdotcomm_: yea
05:18:04 xdotcomm_: Apocalyptic: i agree on NMC i like the idea
05:18:10 xdotcomm_: i wish it would work
05:18:13 ozbot: Robert Keith Cristopher, Jr ; Matt Sartain ; Kristian Thomson ; Cryptorush : much comedy & lulzgoldm
05:18:41 Apocalyptic: looks like Primecoin was Sunnyking's first attempt at a coin before he moved to Peercoin & other stuff
05:18:58 xdotcomm_: people try to get into sendgrid of a hosting provider to get access to sites hosted
05:19:08 xdotcomm_: its going to get alot more complex
05:19:23 xdotcomm_: i wish people would stop running exchanges without owning hardware
05:19:53 tg2: Discourse welcome!
05:20:03 BingoBoingo: Apocalyptic: The thing now called peercoin came first, but it was called PPC at its origin
05:20:21 Apocalyptic: BingoBoingo, I see
05:20:39 tg2: xdotcomm_ social engineering will always remain my favorite means of hacking
05:20:40 xdotcomm_: tg2: ur breeliant
05:20:40 BingoBoingo: Apocalyptic: It was short for PPCoin
05:20:59 Apocalyptic: BingoBoingo, do you know if Devcoin is well maintained ?
05:21:05 xdotcomm_: tg2: people are easier to hack then code :)
05:21:07 moiety: i lasted under two hours before i gave up tonight BingoBoingo this is harder than it used to be lol
05:21:22 tg2: Guess you haven't seen the code I've seen lol
05:21:34 Apocalyptic: <xdotcomm_> i wish people would stop running exchanges without owning hardware // that's not even the biggest issue
05:21:37 BingoBoingo: Apocalyptic: It isn't well at all. Also has past association with scammers like cablepair
05:21:51 xdotcomm_: Apocalyptic: not the biggest but one of
05:21:53 Apocalyptic: xdotcomm_, these people don't really know what they are doing to begin with
05:22:05 Apocalyptic: somehow they got an idea
05:22:05 tg2: If you are running your Bitcoin empire on a vps shame on you
05:22:12 tg2: you deserve it
05:22:23 Apocalyptic: tg2, if on linode your deserve it twice as much ?
05:22:41 tg2: Hah, doubly!
05:22:51 Apocalyptic: BingoBoingo, I suspected as much
05:22:55 xdotcomm_: tg2: seriously ur report is good.. hopefully it will get some good peer reviews
05:23:06 tg2: Review on, peers
05:23:27 tg2: People get so bent out of shape without understanding manufacturing fundamentals
05:23:44 tg2: It's my good deed for the day
05:24:09 tg2: Ignorance is bliss unless you have a vested interest lol
05:24:35 Apocalyptic: I might be forced to conclude there is just no coin worth adding at this time
05:24:48 tg2: Apocalyptic, adding to...?
05:24:53 Apocalyptic: x-bt.com
05:24:55 Apocalyptic: my exchange
05:25:07 tg2: Who pen tested it
05:25:18 Apocalyptic: feel free to :) I did
05:25:23 tg2: if you're serious about it
05:25:40 tg2: I have some serious people that do white hat
05:25:40 Apocalyptic: i like to think i have a serious background in infosec
05:26:19 xdotcomm_: Apocalyptic: yea whats ur credin?
05:26:24 Apocalyptic: tg2, i have no issue if they wish to run some things
05:26:24 xdotcomm_: I always ask
05:26:29 tg2: Recon.cx boys, but they don't work for free
05:26:54 tg2: if there are some bitcoins in there don't worry somebody will pen test it for you
05:26:58 tg2: Lol
05:27:16 Apocalyptic: <tg2> if there are some bitcoins in there don't worry somebody will pen test it for you // there is a hot wallet
05:28:18 Apocalyptic: xdotcomm_, I used to be really into it, did some defcon level CTFs with a team
05:28:19 tg2: How is cold storage processing txns
05:28:30 Apocalyptic: mainly specialized in crypto and x86 reversing
05:28:33 xdotcomm_: Apocalyptic: github?
05:28:41 xdotcomm_: web is deifferent beast
05:28:48 Apocalyptic: web-based sec is kinda boring
05:29:00 xdotcomm_: Apocalyptic: u think that nginx is safe?
05:29:14 Apocalyptic: i think it's one of the best webservers
05:29:20 Apocalyptic: define safe
05:29:23 xdotcomm_: jquery.min.map
05:29:23 xdotcomm_: /js
05:29:23 xdotcomm_: GET
05:29:25 xdotcomm_: 404
05:29:27 xdotcomm_: Not Found
05:29:28 tg2: Nginx has no vulns known
05:29:29 xdotcomm_: text/html
05:29:31 xdotcomm_: Other
05:29:33 xdotcomm_: 341 B
05:29:35 xdotcomm_: 162 B
05:29:37 xdotcomm_: 526 ms
05:29:39 xdotcomm_: 524 ms
05:29:41 xdotcomm_: 524 ms1 ms
05:29:45 tg2: Shtap
05:29:45 xdotcomm_: missing files?
05:30:04 xdotcomm_: Cookie:PHPSESSID=j8i2u3e6khl9g839rl8dgh4u22
05:30:16 tg2: I don't think there has been a root vuln on nginx in a while
05:30:21 tg2: very mature core
05:30:27 xdotcomm_: tg2: that u know of
05:30:57 tg2: Never trust your webserver anyway
05:31:05 tg2: it's not a first class citizen
05:31:08 tg2: Jail
05:31:24 tg2: Make sure web app is coded properly
05:31:36 xdotcomm_: dont escape your queries
05:32:01 Apocalyptic: <xdotcomm_> jquery.min.map // where do you get this file ?
05:32:02 tg2: Lol
05:32:12 xdotcomm_: Apocalyptic: ur website it calls it
05:32:21 tg2: jquery requests it
05:32:27 tg2: grab from Google
05:32:34 xdotcomm_: event.returnValue is deprecated. Please use the standard event.preventDefault() instead. jquery.js:3
05:32:34 xdotcomm_: Failed to load resource: the server responded with a status of 404 (Not Found)
05:32:35 tg2: it's part of the split
05:32:47 tg2: when they split jquery min
05:32:55 tg2: They put some shit in map
05:33:09 xdotcomm_: spits shit in my chrome console
05:33:09 tg2: Had the same problem on a bootstrap site
05:33:42 tg2: What's the volume on x-bt?
05:33:50 Apocalyptic: depends on the market
05:34:03 xdotcomm_: Apocalyptic: y u use ovh dns?
05:34:04 Apocalyptic: the most active one is ATC/BTC thanks to asseteers here
05:34:32 tg2: Chicken and egg huh
05:34:34 Apocalyptic: xdotcomm_, cause ovh is where i registered it ?
05:34:44 xdotcomm_: sounds safe
05:34:48 tg2: Put darkcoin on it
05:34:51 Apocalyptic: (and no there is no ovh box in the infra)
05:35:13 xdotcomm_: 3rd party dns is always good
05:35:17 tg2: Ovh failover ip's make me rage so much
05:35:29 xdotcomm_: i recommend especially och
05:35:32 xdotcomm_: ovh
05:35:51 benkay: tg2: centralized trust exchange lolwutf?
05:35:51 tg2: but 399/mo for a dual e5v2 10core with 256G of ram is juicy
05:36:01 tg2: Decentralized
05:36:44 xdotcomm_: yea p2p exchange
05:36:48 xdotcomm_: wallet
05:36:49 tg2: Why are people retweeting my shit days later
05:37:03 tg2: Learn 2social bros
05:37:07 xdotcomm_: tg2: cause ur tweets are classic
05:37:57 tg2: They get cooler over time
05:38:09 xdotcomm_: like that gospel
05:38:48 tg2: I don't even think I'd trust ovh with wallet keys though
05:39:04 benkay: asserting: CheckDavid is ninjashogun
05:39:05 Apocalyptic: xdotcomm_, curiously enough the missing js file doesn't seem to prevent the js from running correctly
05:39:11 tg2: takes those fucks 2 days to give a new ripe block
05:39:31 Apocalyptic: <tg2> I don't even think I'd trust ovh with wallet keys though // probably wise
05:39:36 tg2: Smooth assertion
05:39:40 Apocalyptic: davout could elaborate on that
05:40:09 tg2: Who is that benkay?
05:40:21 xdotcomm_: Apocalyptic: just letting u know man.. I dont care either way.. I had an exchange with proper engine coded month ago... dont feel like launching it cause the paranoi is not the state i wanna be in 24/7
05:40:26 benkay: xdotcomm_: what is this report you mention?
05:40:34 benkay: tg2: before your time.
05:40:36 Apocalyptic: xdotcomm_, I know how you feel heh
05:40:41 tg2: Enlighten me
05:40:49 Apocalyptic: I can assure you my engine is properly coded too
05:41:00 xdotcomm_: Apocalyptic: how u match trades?
05:41:02 xdotcomm_: benkay: report?
05:41:15 Apocalyptic: it's been running for almost a year now, with a pause in summer
05:41:24 benkay: xdotcomm_: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-03-2014&bots=true#584749
05:41:26 tg2: Why no volume
05:41:37 Apocalyptic: ^ ask them alt traders
05:41:54 benkay: tg2: pay me.
05:41:59 xdotcomm_: haha
05:41:59 Apocalyptic: tg2, because they want to flit the new hotest scamcoin available ?
05:42:00 xdotcomm_: lol
05:42:04 xdotcomm_: its oepn asuce
05:42:05 benkay: tg2: or read logs. your call.
05:42:19 xdotcomm_: Apocalyptic: i mean what methods u use to match trades
05:42:20 tg2: I read them
05:42:35 BingoBoingo: For the newer readers, the complete list of Cryptocurrency blogs that matter http://fraudsters.com/2014/people-have-made-blogs/
05:42:37 xdotcomm_: and if u do it in c?
05:42:43 Apocalyptic: tg2, and get funds "stolen" like in coinex, cryptorush, openex and so on.. seems more fun i'm sure
05:42:56 xdotcomm_: trojancoins...
05:42:57 Apocalyptic: xdotcomm_, what methods ? It matches orders as it should match them
05:43:12 xdotcomm_: Apocalyptic: by time placed?
05:43:28 Apocalyptic: xdotcomm_, for the same price yes of course
05:43:59 Mats_cd03: we need some sort of fee to prevent dummies from typing in here
05:44:03 Apocalyptic: it's not time but ID if I recall, cause the time doesn't have enough granularity
05:44:20 Mats_cd03: seriously what is going on? "how to match trades with c"
05:44:36 xdotcomm_: Mats_cd03: do u even know what ur saying
05:45:06 Mats_cd03: no apparently im coked to the fucking gills
05:45:16 xdotcomm_: Mats_cd03: pass me ur supplier
05:45:59 xdotcomm_: for the noobs Mats_cd03 http://www.eurexchange.com/exchange-en/trading/market-model/matching-principles/
05:46:14 xdotcomm_: there is more then one way
05:46:31 xdotcomm_: you cant do it properly in php/js
05:46:42 benkay: Mats_cd03: just ignore everyone sub 1 in your Wot.
05:47:00 xdotcomm_: so either c or c++ would be the best way
05:47:05 BingoBoingo: xdotcomm_: What about GNU Guile?
05:47:15 xdotcomm_: I do it on my toaster typically
05:47:25 xdotcomm_: I trade penut butter for jelly
05:47:28 BingoBoingo: Or SBCL?
05:47:29 benkay: ;;gettrust tg2
05:47:41 benkay: haw
05:47:48 BingoBoingo: ;;gettrust chatquack
05:48:01 BingoBoingo: ;;gettrust xdotcomm_
05:48:09 xdotcomm_: I am level 0
05:48:11 xdotcomm_: !
05:48:21 BingoBoingo: ;;gettrust benkay
05:48:25 Mats_cd03: i dont have a wot yet benkay
05:48:42 tg2: Scrub level trust
05:49:00 BingoBoingo: ;;gettrust mircea_popescu
05:49:01 benkay: Mats_cd03: trust is complex and not solely dependent on wot
05:49:05 xdotcomm_: BingoBoingo: I trust tg2 how do i vte for him
05:49:15 benkay: har socks trusting socks trusting socks
05:49:22 benkay: you lurk
05:49:24 benkay: contribute
05:49:27 xdotcomm_: ok
05:49:32 tg2: 16156 days
05:49:33 benkay: exceed like 6 mos or something
05:49:34 tg2: Wat
05:49:54 benkay: identity is a function of raters, ratings and duration
05:49:58 tg2: That would make me a btc advocate before btc existed
05:50:20 benkay: methinks you miss the point.
05:50:28 benkay: computers have a hard time with infinity.
05:50:29 tg2: Hah ok give me 5 minutes I'll prove beyond a shadow of a doubt
05:50:35 benkay: prove what?
05:50:40 tg2: I'll pm you
05:50:41 benkay: that you can make a gpg key?
05:50:46 tg2: No, better
05:50:49 tg2: hold on
05:50:50 benkay: identity is a journey, not a hurdle.
05:51:31 tg2: Hold up lemme get a my sin out
05:51:34 benkay: (conj 'list-of-ninjashogun-suspected-socks 'tg2)
05:52:20 Apocalyptic: dem socks
05:52:21 benkay: i'm halfway expecting a satoshi hoard signature at this point, but that'd be too good.
05:52:26 Apocalyptic: haha
05:52:53 benkay: a vanity address from back in the day?
05:53:17 BingoBoingo: benkay: All to likely twist, Satoshi never mined to addresses he held private keys to
05:53:40 benkay: nigga please satoshi threw those keys away long ago
05:53:49 benkay: only way to ensure success
05:54:04 benkay: brother's way more interested in success than personal wealth
05:54:15 benkay: success = some crazy fn
05:54:23 BingoBoingo: ;;google the drinking record barrel fire
05:54:30 BingoBoingo: I am disapoint
05:54:33 benkay: dorp
05:54:43 benkay: that's what you get for relying on teh gewgs
05:55:00 ozbot: A Proper Barrel Fire: A secure way to dispose of data storage | Bingo Blog
05:55:20 BingoBoingo: Prolly the post I am proudest of
06:00:00 xdotcomm_: where dem satoshi codes
06:02:18 tg2: inb4 satoshi sig
06:03:11 benkay: tg2: please dox yourself.
06:03:36 benkay: xdotcomm_: please dox yourself.
06:04:47 xdotcomm_: benkay: dox?
06:04:53 benkay: ;;ud dox
06:04:54 ozbot: Urban Dictionary: dox
06:05:00 benkay: don't make me google for you.
06:05:05 tg2: google on good sir
06:05:10 tg2: gewg it up
06:06:11 tg2: ain't nobody bending over backwards in here to prove who they are or aren't
06:06:14 benkay: was that intended to be from xdotcomm_, tg2?
06:06:21 tg2: take it for what it's worth
06:06:36 benkay: the vast majority of us are trivially doxxable.
06:06:45 tg2: dox on
06:06:53 benkay: no, that's not the point.
06:07:03 benkay: the point is confirming that this isn't a sustained social engineering attack.
06:07:11 xdotcomm_: lol
06:07:17 xdotcomm_: on what?
06:07:19 tg2: ok hold the phone
06:07:21 tg2: haha
06:07:25 tg2: i want to hear what this is we're attacking
06:07:28 tg2: lemme get some popcorn
06:07:39 BingoBoingo: ;;ident
06:07:40 xdotcomm_: i am going to watch bearing sea gold
06:07:49 tg2: lol
06:07:52 tg2: watch underice one
06:07:53 tg2: its good
06:07:53 BingoBoingo: ;;ident tg2
06:08:01 tg2: that ip is my netrange
06:08:04 BingoBoingo: ;;ident xdotcomm_
06:08:10 tg2: you'll see that it is in montreal
06:08:14 xdotcomm_: not really hiding
06:08:20 xdotcomm_: bell dsl
06:08:26 BingoBoingo: ;;ident benkay
06:08:27 tg2: super bell dsl proxies
06:08:42 benkay: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:86dbd1c410f4c909038fe2522989ebb330ba68bb7ead5be28b8a1eab
06:08:44 Apocalyptic: xdotcomm_, was that you that got banned from -dev some days ago because you were trying to build a dogecoin explorer and wanted to know how to get the "FROM address" ?
06:08:56 xdotcomm_: Apocalyptic: :)
06:08:57 tg2: bustedddd
06:09:04 xdotcomm_: he got me
06:09:04 tg2: you ended up getting it to work tho right
06:09:06 benkay: this is how this works
06:09:08 benkay: you either wot
06:09:10 benkay: or you walk
06:09:18 xdotcomm_: I am the doge guy i admit
06:09:23 BingoBoingo: ;;rated benkay
06:09:24 xdotcomm_: we come here to promote doge
06:09:28 Apocalyptic: I have a particulary good memory for nicks
06:09:33 benkay: ;;rated BingoBoingo
06:09:36 xdotcomm_: Makes sense
06:09:42 xdotcomm_: the dox system
06:09:45 xdotcomm_: let me know
06:09:45 benkay: ;;rated mircea_popescu
06:09:52 tg2: lemme just upload my passprot
06:09:52 xdotcomm_: Not hiding
06:09:55 benkay: ;;gettrust mircea_popescu
06:09:55 tg2: lez do it
06:10:06 BingoBoingo: ;;rated mircea_popescu
06:10:16 xdotcomm_: mtgox has my recent copy.. so does everyone else I get
06:10:19 BingoBoingo: ;;rated asciilifeform
06:10:21 benkay: ;;gettrust xdotcomm_
06:10:22 tg2: lol
06:10:29 benkay: ;;gettrust tg2
06:10:33 tg2: so you want us to wot up
06:10:43 benkay: us!
06:10:44 xdotcomm_: is there a how to on this?
06:10:48 benkay: what is this us?
06:10:50 Apocalyptic: <xdotcomm_> mtgox has my recent copy.. so does everyone else I get // a fair assumption
06:10:55 tg2: i know xdotcomm_
06:11:01 tg2: we're both active in crypto
06:11:10 benkay: a bold claim for unregistered handles.
06:11:19 tg2: I'm reg'd on freenode
06:11:21 xdotcomm_: there is crypto outside of bitcoin
06:11:30 benkay: yeah but this is bitcoin.
06:11:32 benkay: (sparta)
06:11:33 xdotcomm_: i am reged on freenode too
06:11:35 benkay: (bitcoin)
06:11:38 benkay: so am i
06:11:39 xdotcomm_: benkay: we come with gifts
06:11:41 benkay: big f'n whoop
06:11:43 tg2: so you just want us to reg on WOT?
06:11:48 Apocalyptic: tg2, so you're a doge promoter too ?
06:11:49 tg2: i don't see what that will achieve
06:11:54 benkay: no, you build an identity.
06:11:56 BingoBoingo: xdotcomm_: Well, did you do RSA? ECC?
06:12:01 benkay: there's about a light year of difference.
06:12:15 xdotcomm_: i do mostly brick and mortar security
06:12:21 tg2: ok I just dont' see why registering on WOT and vouching for eachotehr does anything if there is no trust to begin with
06:12:28 tg2: is that not the point of WOT?
06:12:28 benkay: precisely.
06:12:38 xdotcomm_: I dont mind WOT tbh
06:12:39 benkay: this doesn't change overnight.
06:12:45 tg2: I'll WOT Up
06:12:47 xdotcomm_: is there a how to?
06:12:50 benkay: ;;help
06:12:51 tg2: I'll wot you so hard
06:12:52 Apocalyptic: Bingo has one
06:13:01 tg2: gonna wot this bitch up so hard
06:13:02 benkay: ;;gpg
06:13:12 tg2: yall gonna be in my WOT in no time
06:13:28 benkay: great
06:13:32 benkay: welcome to the club
06:13:48 BingoBoingo: ;;google Bingo Blog GPG guide
06:14:22 xdotcomm_: !help
06:14:51 tg2: can I just use my email pgp that I already have?
06:14:55 tg2: or beter to reg a new one just for this?
06:14:57 tg2: or does it matter
06:15:12 benkay: all things worthy of consideration
06:15:21 benkay: tanstaafl
06:15:51 Apocalyptic: you can use whatever gpg key you have a private key for
06:15:54 xdotcomm_: ill doo this tomorow .. to seems complicated
06:16:18 BingoBoingo: ;;lasers
06:16:20 xdotcomm_: there is no short guide etc
06:16:23 tg2: is this necessary for anything?
06:16:29 benkay: only relevance, tg2.
06:16:31 xdotcomm_: to establish rappor
06:16:34 tg2: tbh trust is gained over time without pgp keys
06:16:42 BingoBoingo: tg2: If you have to ask you can't afford it.
06:16:45 xdotcomm_: so they dont think ur trolling them
06:16:52 tg2: shall we sport our pgp keys sir
06:17:01 ozbot: GPG authentication - bitcoin-otc wiki
06:17:04 Mats_cd03: what a pair of cuties
06:17:22 tg2: if you guys only knew the half of what we do in crypto lol
06:17:26 Mats_cd03: do you have matching haircuts too
06:17:41 xdotcomm_: Mats_cd03: are u the resident troll?
06:17:43 tg2: i feel like a kid in a new school who has to proove that he's cool
06:17:48 tg2: this is great
06:17:54 tg2: I haven't felt this way in a long time
06:18:04 xdotcomm_: Mats_cd03: dont worry I wont take your spot
06:18:09 tg2: lol
06:18:29 bitcoinpete: are you boys on osx or windoze?
06:18:29 tg2: good thought experiment though, how can two people prove they are in fact different people!
06:18:32 tg2: skype 3 way call?
06:18:45 tg2: hard to impersonate 2 different people simultaneously!
06:18:59 xdotcomm_: bitcoinpete: i am on my 3d printer
06:19:17 BingoBoingo: tg2: Each of you writes a secret string on your taint and uploads pics
06:19:18 benkay: the operating theory is that there are two warm bodies behind this.
06:19:23 xdotcomm_: this is going to happen ... alts are falling we going back to the basics
06:19:23 tg2: there are
06:19:30 tg2: I don't see what we're being accused of yet
06:19:37 xdotcomm_: get used it ... more noobs are coming
06:19:39 Mats_cd03: tg2: actually i am benkay BingoBoingo bitcoinpete and Apocalyptic
06:19:40 tg2: other than being friends IRL and being in this chan and both having projects in crypto
06:19:47 Mats_cd03: its sockpuppets all the way up, sucka
06:19:55 tg2: fuck props for being able to juggle that ;D
06:19:56 BingoBoingo: ;;ident Mats_cd03
06:20:03 tg2: there are 2 people in here
06:20:04 tg2: lol
06:20:04 BingoBoingo: Mats_cd03: Seems you arent
06:20:08 tg2: just a huge myriad of conversations
06:20:12 Apocalyptic: <xdotcomm_> get used it ... more noobs are coming // can't wait
06:20:14 tg2: I'd be impressed
06:20:47 Mats_cd03: its not that youre new, or that you have to be cool
06:20:52 tg2: what else is there to do when you have an IQ of 180 other than sock puppet with yourself
06:20:54 xdotcomm_: Apocalyptic: u seem chill we actually did productive stuff
06:20:54 tg2: amirite
06:20:57 Mats_cd03: youre boring
06:21:08 Apocalyptic: not denying you did
06:21:47 xdotcomm_: I am on the crypto grind 24/7 making blockchain explorers while getting head in blockchain explorers
06:22:05 xdotcomm_: and for reals I am super easy to find verify.. I live a public life
06:22:05 bitcoinpete: i like how there's this whole "why wot, why pgp" when i just wrote a fucking article on it 3 hours ago
06:22:08 tg2: just not on block-explorer cause that shit is slow ass fuck
06:22:29 tg2: bitcoinpete, link?
06:22:31 benkay: xdotcomm_: so dox yourself - what's so hard?!
06:22:42 benkay: do you need me to go first?
06:22:44 tg2: what will doxing get?
06:22:55 Apocalyptic: a cookie
06:22:57 tg2: approval from internet strangers
06:22:59 tg2: shit sign me up
06:23:02 tg2: vying so hard
06:23:20 benkay: either you don't get it or you're trolling hard
06:23:32 bitcoinpete: tg2: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-03-2014#584236
06:23:38 benkay: but an amelioration of the suspicion that you're a ninjashogun alt
06:24:34 bitcoinpete: tg2: if you don't need internet strangers and the feeling is mutual, there's really no need
06:24:41 BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: Consider this an oral defense
06:24:56 tg2: well, sadly, xdotcomm_ is the only one that can vouch that I'm not him haha
06:25:07 tg2: and well, ninjashogun himself
06:25:08 benkay: an utterly unremarkable claim.
06:25:22 tg2: yeah, ubt again, I don't really have much motivation to prove otherwise
06:25:24 benkay: from utterly untrustworthy handles.
06:25:25 Apocalyptic: tg2, so you know the ninja guy IRL too ?
06:25:26 tg2: so I guess that's that
06:25:33 tg2: define IRL
06:25:36 BingoBoingo: tg2: You can each write a unique message with a sharpie on your cheeks stick in in your pooper and post pics
06:25:39 tg2: i have chatted with him on skype
06:25:44 BingoBoingo: Time honored alternative to GPG
06:25:44 tg2: and spoken to him on skype
06:25:56 tg2: BingoBoingo, sharpie in pooper
06:25:58 tg2: legit ident
06:26:00 tg2: haha
06:26:01 bitcoinpete: bingoboingo: lol priceless
06:26:01 BingoBoingo: Yeah
06:26:09 Apocalyptic: it actually happened
06:26:09 tg2: x might be down
06:26:11 tg2: careful with that fuck
06:26:13 BingoBoingo: It happesn all the time here
06:26:24 tg2: yeah this is /b/ and we're summerfags
06:26:27 tg2: lemme just go grab my sharpie
06:26:29 tg2: and get right back
06:26:40 benkay: springfags, but right idea.
06:26:41 BingoBoingo: tg2: he grabs his as well
06:26:57 BingoBoingo: ;;google really buttcoins nao
06:27:03 xdotcomm_: do i just need past my linked in page?
06:27:08 xdotcomm_: fuck
06:27:09 benkay: ;;ident bitcoinpete
06:27:14 tg2: anyway, I guess the end result is that I'm fine if you think I'm someobdy I'm not, that is really up to you and no amount of unaged, unverified pgp can change that
06:27:14 Mats_cd03: have you considered that these two are minors and we're all about to be complicit in child pornography?
06:27:20 xdotcomm_: had to much vodka today
06:27:22 tg2: so I guess I'll just reenforce it alternatively
06:27:30 xdotcomm_: We are not miners
06:27:32 bitcoinpete: ;;everify bitcoinpete
06:27:36 xdotcomm_: oh wait we do mine
06:27:45 xdotcomm_: u still mine tg?
06:27:53 tg2: 400mh says I do
06:28:00 xdotcomm_: damn
06:28:00 tg2: my hydro bill says I do
06:28:09 tg2: my darkcion wallet says I do
06:28:11 tg2: so yeah
06:28:13 tg2: guilty
06:28:20 bitcoinpete: ;;gpg eauth bitcoinpete
06:28:38 benkay: see tg2 xdotcomm_? it's not hard.
06:28:41 xdotcomm_: do they just want my linkedin or what the fuck is this dox?
06:28:46 tg2: lol
06:28:56 tg2: I donno, honestly the level of tinfoil hattery in here is beyond comprehension
06:28:56 benkay: it's called an immune system.
06:28:57 bitcoinpete: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:9654ce03645baa8e57db4260daa60d895ce8ac0a08f399eece104276
06:29:13 benkay: it's not a hard bar to cross
06:29:15 tg2: isn't this why we have nickserv ;\
06:29:20 benkay: your reluctance is highly suspicious
06:29:21 xdotcomm_: are we applying for bitcoin credit cards?
06:29:34 xdotcomm_: benkay: dude like can u go step by step?
06:29:36 benkay: bitcoinpete got loans with a simple ;;ident
06:29:36 tg2: I just don't see the point, but i guess if you want to see a pgp key that I just gneerated
06:29:43 tg2: and if that will somehow make you at ease
06:29:45 tg2: lol
06:29:54 benkay: still, sadly missing the point.
06:29:57 bitcoinpete: ;;ident bitcoinpete
06:30:19 benkay: identity being f(raters, ratings, duration)
06:30:25 tg2: yes
06:30:26 xdotcomm_: I kind of get it but i am to drunk to figure ouot this shit now
06:30:26 benkay: y'all ain't getting anywhere on your first noisy night here.
06:30:37 xdotcomm_: true
06:30:38 benkay: xdotcomm_: you sound just like ughlol!
06:30:45 BingoBoingo: xdotcomm_: You aren't applying for credit even, you are applying for citizenry
06:30:49 benkay: such conciliatory.
06:30:51 benkay: wow
06:30:57 tg2: hahaha, man i'm gonna pgp up just to shut you guys up
06:30:58 xdotcomm_: can i come back tommorow
06:31:00 tg2: this is fucking hillariosu
06:31:11 bitcoinpete: xdotcomm_ linkedin? srly? http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2014#581562
06:31:11 benkay: no permaban
06:31:34 BingoBoingo: Seriously though, compliance isn't that hard for others i.imgur.com/yQ52mP7.jpg and i.imgur.com/o08heoV.jpg
06:31:38 tg2: lemme koolaid this php up
06:32:28 benkay: don't forget the === i'm serious bro operator
06:32:28 bitcoinpete: benkey: ughlol^2
06:32:42 BingoBoingo: benkay: ====
06:32:47 BingoBoingo: !=====
06:32:49 benkay: =======
06:33:23 tg2: binary safe
06:33:44 benkay: ;;google bitcoin electoral
06:33:56 benkay: ;;google bitcoin election fraudsters
06:34:27 xdotcomm_: benkay: not acting like a bro
06:34:37 benkay: there you go
06:34:51 benkay: you want to bitch about 'freedom' and 'not being a bitch'?
06:34:54 Mats_cd03: fucking BingoBoingo
06:34:56 benkay: do like 6 months of reading.
06:35:07 Mats_cd03: first photo was meh, didnt anticipate hairy butthole with the second
06:35:29 bitcoinpete: BingoBoingo: damn, those are some fucking buttcoins
06:35:40 BingoBoingo: Mats_cd03: Maybe I overpaid, but I resolved a sockpuppet situation in the past
06:36:09 BingoBoingo: This is really the only non-GPG to almost establish separate identities
06:36:27 benkay: either gpg, or sharpie in the pooper.
06:36:49 Mats_cd03: was there some sort of condition involving an i dotted with a heart, and a sharpie?
06:37:01 BingoBoingo: Mats_cd03: Prolly
06:37:34 BingoBoingo: I was spreading the wealth from this win http://bitbet.us/bet/113/bitbet-will-we-worth-more-than-satoshi-dice/
06:37:39 MisterE: how to randomize MAC addy of a Mac at reboot?
06:38:15 tg2: fk sakes, tg2 is too short for pgp name
06:38:50 benkay: some deep crypto asspert.
06:38:55 bitcoinpete: BingoBoingo: nice takedown
06:39:07 Mats_cd03: with a script maybe MisterE
06:39:31 MisterE: yea found it
06:39:38 BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: Putting a bet on that was one of my earliest in chan actions here
06:39:41 ozbot: How to Spoof your MAC address in Mac OS X
06:40:09 bitcoinpete: tg2: don't shorten it, use the full TiredGoat2
06:40:16 BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: I liked bitbet and found dice boring so when dared by kakobrekla I put 1 BTC on yes
06:40:17 Apocalyptic: haha
06:41:33 BingoBoingo: I dun really understand what is so hard about using the Buttcoin protocol to establish unique warm bodies behind nicks
06:42:03 bitcoinpete: BingoBoingo: solid. i bet on both sides of a couple recently. first go
06:42:06 BingoBoingo: Prolly could defeat it by outsourcing to fiver even
06:42:24 bitcoinpete: it's all about the protocol
06:42:47 bitcoinpete: we can have smart contracts that self-insert sharpies
06:43:12 BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: Sounds like ethereum bullshit
06:43:34 benkay: BingoBoingo gets it
06:43:38 bitcoinpete: and decentralized exchanges that sell buttcoin options
06:43:50 benkay: i'd like to buy a put buttcoin option please
06:44:08 Mats_cd03: is ethereum the new ripple hotness?
06:44:22 benkay: ethereum: the open buttcorn exchange
06:44:23 bitcoinpete: benkay: we have a 2 for 1 deal on at the moment, how many can i put you down for?
06:44:30 Apocalyptic: kinda Mats_cd03
06:45:00 tg2: > Ticker queries bitcoin pricing based on mtgox.com's history.
06:45:02 tg2: ahan
06:45:16 bitcoinpete: which is the new OT afaik
06:45:21 benkay: i'll buy an option to put one sharpie in the poopers of tg2 and xdotcomm_ each or 1 option to put 2 sharpies in either of their poopers
06:45:30 bitcoinpete: haha
06:46:07 benkay: you are free of course to sell them the call options balancing
06:46:35 bitcoinpete: that's basically just the ink in their buttpens
06:46:57 BingoBoingo: To make this market more interesting and establish some serious I will take 1 Sharpie in my pooper for 2.5 BTC
06:47:01 MisterE: BingoBoingo: tg2: You can each write a unique message with a sharpie on your cheeks stick in in your pooper and post pics // Finally a succinct explanation of 2-factor auth!
06:47:05 bitcoinpete: reloadable cartridges.
06:47:05 benkay: we have a taker!
06:47:29 MisterE: no giving feels better
06:47:38 benkay: BingoBoingo is selling puts at 2.5 for 1 sharpie in 1 pooper
06:47:49 bitcoinpete: MisterE: let's see nic cary give that one away!
06:48:02 benkay: given put call parity we should expect to see 5 B for 2 sharpies in 1 pooper
06:48:28 benkay: or rather we'd want to see someone willing to put down 5B for 2 sharpies in 1 pooper
06:49:18 bitcoinpete: c'mon, loosen up those pursestrings people!
06:49:41 benkay: poopstrings
06:49:48 bitcoinpete: heh
06:49:51 MisterE: the relationship of BTC to Sharpies is logarithmic
06:50:23 benkay: ;;ident tg2
06:50:32 BingoBoingo: ;;ident
06:51:07 MisterE: no -otc for you eh?
06:51:41 benkay: ;;ident MisterE
06:51:53 benkay: oooooooooooh
06:52:20 MisterE: :p
06:52:26 MisterE: ;;auth
06:52:38 MisterE: been a while :p
06:52:48 MisterE: ;;eauth mistere
06:53:26 benkay: tg2: you see this?
06:53:33 benkay: this is what we call a shibboleth.
06:53:39 benkay: that with which you are unable to penetrate the sanctum.
06:53:45 benkay: without* which
06:55:01 BingoBoingo: To keep things interesting I would take one sharpie and my favorite cross pen in my worst parts for 2.75 BTC
06:55:31 bitcoinpete: i wonder how much assbot would do it for
06:55:45 BingoBoingo: ;;assbot insert sharpie
06:55:51 BingoBoingo: ;;insert
06:55:57 bitcoinpete: lol
06:56:06 bitcoinpete: we need to change that
06:56:54 BingoBoingo: tg2: The moral of the story is that with WoT you can make and accept offers
06:57:07 BingoBoingo: Your authenticated word being as good as a contract.
06:57:14 MisterE: ^
06:57:55 BingoBoingo: With out it, you just are only as much better than noise as you can create arguments, but you still lack the ability to affirm any comittments
06:58:09 bitcoinpete: smart contract require smart people not smart machines
06:58:28 bitcoinpete: contracts*
06:58:32 xdotcomm_: I run alot of porn sites
06:58:36 tg2: I get the concept
06:58:41 bitcoinpete: this isn't ethereum
06:59:13 tg2: I just didn't see how this would immediately satisfy benkay's accusation
06:59:23 tg2: which it still doesn't :0
06:59:24 benkay: only time will do that.
06:59:27 tg2: anyway
06:59:33 tg2: I'm submitting it now to the registry
06:59:36 benkay: and not acting like ninjashogun.
06:59:37 tg2: my old pgp was expired
06:59:43 BingoBoingo: tg2: Well for you it doesn't quite, not in the way Buttcoins do
06:59:44 benkay: much crypto.
06:59:45 xdotcomm_: i catch tg on my gay sites all the time
07:00:13 tg2: I only watch them cause I like to see porn with you in it
07:00:15 xdotcomm_: tg2: i actually revealed my info
07:00:23 tg2: where
07:00:31 xdotcomm_: in private message
07:00:34 xdotcomm_: i dont care
07:00:37 tg2: what info
07:00:39 xdotcomm_: not hard to find me
07:00:40 tg2: you are me
07:00:44 tg2: member
07:00:45 xdotcomm_: lol just myself
07:00:48 tg2: :D
07:00:56 tg2: ok so if we're both socks, then that should identify both of us, right?
07:00:58 tg2: ;)
07:01:04 benkay: gents the accusation was "two warm bodies"
07:01:04 xdotcomm_: ur info is not mine to reveal
07:01:06 bitcoinpete: oh my sides
07:01:08 tg2: you still have to post sharpie in wife's ass
07:01:09 tg2: I'll do the same
07:01:19 xdotcomm_: keeping family out of this
07:01:23 tg2: come on
07:01:26 tg2: we'll swap
07:01:29 xdotcomm_: seriously
07:01:29 bitcoinpete: tg2 you have a wife?
07:01:33 tg2: almost 30
07:01:37 tg2: time to get into wife swapping
07:01:48 tg2: bitcoinpete - only one, yes
07:01:59 tg2: this nigga over here tkaing notes
07:02:00 tg2: lol
07:02:16 MisterE: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:64cc01d806a3a90a79e37d07c938af251d0e6c9bd6c0f087a087a67d
07:02:17 bitcoinpete: tg2: that's kinda below average here
07:02:35 tg2: is having a wife a luxury not afforded to the bitcoin elite?
07:02:44 tg2: chicks dig crypto
07:02:57 tg2: bitches can't get enough of my doge coins
07:02:57 MisterE: I've done the time but not the crime
07:03:04 BingoBoingo: Well, generally the singular is undershooting things by MP standards
07:03:05 benkay: some of us have wives
07:03:14 benkay: some of us have more than one partner
07:03:21 tg2: >partner
07:03:21 benkay: some of us are foreveralone
07:03:24 xdotcomm_: some of us are gay
07:03:24 tg2: amgibuity
07:03:27 tg2: detected
07:03:29 xdotcomm_: or trans
07:03:39 tg2: some of us have a realdoll
07:03:41 MisterE: some have a wife and also a "small wife"
07:03:45 xdotcomm_: transcending into the blockchain
07:03:46 bitcoinpete: tg2: i'm sure your bitches love taking cruises in your doge-nascar-impala
07:03:47 tg2: I have kids
07:03:54 tg2: and a wife
07:03:56 MisterE: no kids here
07:03:59 tg2: its terrible
07:04:05 tg2: this chat is publicly logged
07:04:05 MisterE: I can only imagine
07:04:07 tg2: and I say that openly
07:04:10 MisterE: yes
07:04:18 MisterE: forever attributable to you
07:04:22 tg2: and nobody can reproach me for it
07:04:26 MisterE: heh
07:04:34 bitcoinpete: MisterE: not until tg2 is in the wot lol
07:04:36 tg2: its ok nobody can prove its me... *submits pgp key*
07:04:42 tg2: lol
07:04:48 MisterE: hehe
07:05:09 tg2: shit the only sharpie I have is one of those big commercial ones
07:05:11 tg2: wat do
07:05:20 tg2: gribble pls
07:05:36 bitcoinpete: tg2 work your way up
07:05:49 tg2: your nick is really familliar bitcoinpete
07:05:58 MisterE: ;;later tell tg2 to start with the small end...
07:06:24 ozbot: Dedovshchina - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
07:06:31 benkay: take it slow, tg2
07:06:39 tg2: do I take the cap off
07:06:40 bitcoinpete: tg2: yup
07:06:51 benkay: kids don't do anal 'cause they don't got the patience.
07:07:10 xdotcomm_: Dedovshchina involves a spectrum of subordinating or humiliating activities performed by the junior ranks: from carrying out chores of the senior ranks to violent and sometimes lethal physical and psychological abuse, being not unlike an extremely vicious form of bullying or even torture. It is often cited as a major source of poor morale in the ranks.
07:07:55 tg2: its called hazing
07:08:00 xdotcomm_: The term is derived from "ded" (Russian: дед, meaning grandfather), which is the Russian Army army slang equivalent of gramps, meaning soldiers at their third (or fourth, which is also known as "dembel" (Russian: дембель), stemming from a vulgarization of the word "demobilization" (Russian: демобилизация) - this word is erroneously used by soldiers to name the event of resigning from
07:08:00 xdotcomm_: the army; this event is also called by soldiers "dembel" or "DMB" (Russian: ДМБ)) half-year of conscription, with the suffix -shchina which designates a type of order, rule, or regime (compare Yezhovshchina, Zhdanovshchina). Thus it can literally be translated as "rule of the grandfathers." This is essentially a folk system of seniority based on stage of service, mostly not backed by code or law, which
07:08:00 xdotcomm_: only grants seniority to conscripts promoted to various Sergeant and Efreitor ranks.
07:08:01 bitcoinpete: oof survey sez: "we not happy"
07:08:05 tg2: its called being a wrothless summerfag
07:08:16 xdotcomm_: just how it feels
07:08:22 xdotcomm_: not a fan of that
07:08:30 tg2: oh come on, submit to it
07:08:34 tg2: submit to others will
07:08:44 tg2: its in your defiant russian blood to do so
07:08:46 tg2: ;D
07:08:49 benkay: tg2 how long does it take to whip up a gpg key?
07:08:53 tg2: so fast
07:08:57 bitcoinpete: it's like watching me, myself, and irene
07:09:03 tg2: finding the proper directory to submit it to
07:09:03 xdotcomm_: yea i can do it but then where do i put it?
07:09:04 benkay: ;;ident tg2
07:09:18 tg2: on my android phone
07:09:22 tg2: its going well
07:09:26 benkay: hahahahahahahahahahahahahah
07:09:28 tg2: lol
07:09:38 benkay: what the first one expired
07:09:47 benkay: now you're typing at lightning speed on your android phone
07:09:49 tg2: last time I used a pgp key
07:09:57 bitcoinpete: ;;google bitcoin pgp otc
07:09:58 tg2: well its that or use windows
07:10:08 tg2: or ssh
07:10:36 tg2: its... so late... benkay-san
07:10:46 benkay: try again tomorrow.
07:10:48 tg2: please take pity on me... i cannot submit so fast..
07:10:59 xdotcomm_: -bash: gpg: command not found
07:11:03 tg2: lol
07:11:05 benkay: no pity.
07:11:05 tg2: r u srs
07:11:06 benkay: only gpg.
07:11:16 tg2: dorian incident
07:11:17 benkay: no feels.
07:11:19 benkay: only crypt.
07:11:23 benkay: crypto.
07:11:23 bitcoinpete: and 6 months of hard logs
07:11:25 tg2: -> EVERYBODY MUST USE PGP AT LAL TIMes NO EXCEPTIONS
07:11:47 tg2: >implying that the internet forgets about it after 6 months
07:11:47 benkay: actually most of us run naked until interlopers appear derping around.
07:11:49 xdotcomm_: the link to OSx guide has expire domain
07:11:54 bitcoinpete: not everybody, just people
07:12:01 tg2: osx
07:12:01 tg2: lol
07:12:05 ozbot: GPG authentication - bitcoin-otc wiki
07:12:05 tg2: there's your problem
07:12:12 xdotcomm_: Mac OS X guide with pictures by Drcross.
07:12:15 tg2: that wiki is straight shit btw
07:12:19 xdotcomm_: fucking domain expired
07:12:22 tg2: lol
07:12:24 xdotcomm_: amateur hour shit
07:12:26 tg2: > osx
07:12:33 tg2: > O S X
07:12:37 xdotcomm_: i need to find a linux box
07:12:37 tg2: i think i spotted your problem
07:12:40 tg2: i'm going to do it befor eyou do
07:12:41 tg2: on my phone
07:12:51 tg2: maybe you can use your smartphone...
07:12:54 tg2: or
07:13:00 tg2: mmmmmmmmm yeah.
07:13:06 xdotcomm_: u mean do it on phone and computer since we are the same person
07:13:12 tg2: yeah realtalk
07:13:17 xdotcomm_: octoniggaz
07:13:17 tg2: use your (my) android phone
07:13:23 tg2: instead of your (my) iphone
07:13:25 bitcoinpete: we need a parimutuel bet on who gets it done first
07:13:33 tg2: bitbet
07:13:39 tg2: xdotcomm_ has a sick betting site in teh works
07:13:40 tg2: yall gonna love it
07:13:51 xdotcomm_: tg2: thanks for outing bro
07:13:51 benkay: bitcoinpete: it's a badbet, they're in cahoots.
07:14:01 xdotcomm_: we are same person
07:14:03 tg2: you bet on whether or not you're going to get your money back
07:14:03 benkay: lzolzozlzolzol betting site in bitcoin
07:14:11 tg2: you send
07:14:14 benkay: lzolzozlzo no gpg
07:14:14 tg2: if you win, you get it back
07:14:15 tg2: if not, no
07:14:21 Mats_cd03: id put a sharpie in my butt for you
07:14:22 benkay: get the fuck out of my face
07:14:23 Apocalyptic: sounds like bitbet
07:14:26 Mats_cd03: for free
07:14:30 MisterE: solid analysis tg2 thanks
07:14:45 MisterE: it's a rapidly moving target
07:14:49 tg2: its never wrong
07:14:55 tg2: fudnamentally it can never be wrong
07:15:00 tg2: unlike benkay
07:15:03 MisterE: heh
07:15:05 xdotcomm_: seiosly
07:15:11 tg2: and xdotcomm_'s typing
07:15:12 xdotcomm_: who does the guide http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/GPG_authentication
07:15:17 tg2: it is shit
07:15:18 tg2: that guide
07:15:24 xdotcomm_: MAC osx link is broken
07:15:26 tg2: it is there to prevent others
07:15:28 tg2: from using pgp
07:15:28 benkay: too complicated for you two?
07:15:30 MisterE: yea was thinking this too
07:15:34 MisterE: minutes ago
07:15:37 tg2: its some kind of sick twisted game
07:15:41 tg2: where they tell everybody to use PGP
07:15:41 bitcoinpete: ;;google gpg tools tutorial
07:15:46 tg2: then the guide purposly oomits the parts you need to know
07:15:48 benkay: pgp, gpg
07:15:52 benkay: what's the difference anyways
07:15:55 MisterE: cli is easiest no fucking around
07:16:01 bitcoinpete: there's your osx. fuck
07:16:01 benkay: man pages
07:16:04 benkay: what are even that?
07:16:07 tg2: WHY DONT THEY HAVE A WINDOWS XP GUI
07:16:19 tg2: IM GONNA WRITE AN ANGRY EMAIL (unsigned of course) ABOUTT HIS MATTER
07:16:20 benkay: ^^ widows crypto asspert
07:16:28 benkay: assperters
07:16:30 Mats_cd03: ya really
07:16:30 MisterE: MSCE too
07:16:37 tg2: benkay - I hope we meet IRL some time
07:16:39 benkay: certified microsoft scrum officer
07:16:39 MisterE: MCSE*
07:16:39 xdotcomm_: i am downloading a suite
07:16:48 benkay: threats of violence
07:16:49 benkay: novel
07:16:57 tg2: >implying I didn't mean for beers
07:17:05 tg2: I have more resepect for people I dislike than those I get along with
07:17:08 tg2: ask xdotcomm_
07:17:13 xdotcomm_: hahah
07:17:15 tg2: lol
07:17:16 benkay: come down to portland
07:17:23 benkay: it's just a train ride away
07:17:31 bitcoinpete: is spring in portland yet?
07:17:33 benkay: hack in the living room with the fellas
07:17:34 tg2: i herd blowjobs are cheap there
07:17:36 MisterE: heh I have family there
07:17:38 tg2: supply and demand thing
07:17:39 xdotcomm_: he will come and like buy u beers for pissing him off in the chat
07:17:40 MisterE: hey!
07:17:57 benkay: yeah men are in short supply
07:17:57 tg2: beers?!
07:18:08 tg2: actually
07:18:14 xdotcomm_: maybe just 1
07:18:17 tg2: there is a good brewpub there
07:18:23 xdotcomm_: i dunno depends on exchange rate
07:18:23 MisterE: several
07:18:26 tg2: that I wanted to visit
07:18:29 MisterE: whole craft scene
07:18:31 tg2: one in particular on the drive down from here
07:18:38 tg2: has like 400 bottles on tap
07:18:44 tg2: or 400 bottles *
07:18:46 tg2: and 80 taps
07:18:46 MisterE: McMennimens?
07:18:55 MisterE: sp?
07:19:00 tg2: hold on lemme find it
07:19:04 tg2: you do a x month thing
07:19:12 tg2: where you drink all sorts of varieties
07:19:14 tg2: then you get your cert
07:19:22 moiety: ;; wtf sauce please gribble
07:19:27 tg2: (only after providing gpg obviously)
07:19:38 ozbot: McMenamins - Pubs, Breweries and Historic Hotels in Oregon and Washington
07:19:51 MisterE: lol
07:19:54 xdotcomm_: “GPG Keychain Access” would like to access your contacts.
07:19:56 benkay: mcmen's a shit
07:19:59 xdotcomm_: wtf
07:19:59 tg2: lol
07:20:00 xdotcomm_: y
07:20:02 tg2: please
07:20:03 benkay: what you want is bailey's taproom
07:20:03 tg2: tell me
07:20:06 tg2: you are not being serious
07:20:08 benkay: the app for which my shop made
07:20:14 MisterE: yea mams is like a chain
07:20:15 tg2: if not, props cause my jimmies are on the moon
07:20:22 BingoBoingo: ;;fsck
07:20:23 tg2: if so, holy fuck your jimmies are on the moon
07:20:23 MisterE: so wondering what else you mean that big?
07:20:32 moiety: benkay, MisterE: ever tried BrewDog?
07:20:49 MisterE: no I haven't been back to the US for a few years now
07:20:52 benkay: moiety: nope. too much good local stuff for imports
07:21:00 MisterE: and even then just a few weeks
07:21:31 Mats_cd03: po-po got you on the run?
07:21:42 moiety: benkay, fair point, its local to me lol. if you ever do come across it, it's really good
07:21:51 MisterE: naaw dawg nobody gonna find me here
07:22:18 benkay: tg2: i'm nowhere near so abrasive in person
07:22:19 BingoBoingo: Oh, scammer pumping http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/03/meet-the-manic-miner-who-wants-to-mint-10-of-all-new-bitcoins/
07:22:46 tg2: it would be difficult for that to be a false statement without breaking some field of physics
07:22:58 bitcoinpete: it's been a laugh, goodnight all
07:23:03 xdotcomm_: ok i read this http://support.gpgtools.org/kb/how-to/first-steps-where-do-i-start-where-do-i-begin
07:23:03 benkay: night bitcoinpete
07:23:11 xdotcomm_: now how i plug it in to irc?
07:23:12 tg2: lolllll ok stop
07:23:16 benkay: thing is, there are cultural mores over which you're trampling tonight tg2
07:23:19 tg2: putty into a linux server
07:23:47 benkay: consider it an immune response. nothing personal.
07:23:49 tg2: follow that
07:23:49 ozbot: GPG authentication - bitcoin-otc wiki
07:24:12 moiety: BingoBoingo: jesus, 1.4million? o.o article does make me love rpi a wee bit more
07:24:35 BingoBoingo: moiety: That Dave is a known scammer
07:24:42 xdotcomm_: Please select what kind of key you want:
07:24:42 xdotcomm_: (1) RSA and RSA (default)
07:24:43 xdotcomm_: (2) DSA and Elgamal
07:24:44 MisterE: surely leased hashing is a scam in an d of itself?
07:24:44 xdotcomm_: (3) DSA (sign only)
07:24:46 tg2: I'm not oblivious to that
07:24:46 xdotcomm_: (4) RSA (sign only)
07:24:51 tg2: shtap
07:24:59 tg2: learn2pastebin
07:25:19 tg2: I'll gen one for you k
07:25:25 tg2: i'll keep the private key REALLLLL SAFE
07:25:26 benkay: oh man
07:25:28 tg2: lolll
07:25:43 benkay: troll so hard motherfuckers wan' byte me
07:25:43 tg2: <signed> guys i'm so gay
07:25:48 moiety: BingoBoingo: he does look like a total gimp
07:26:25 moiety: xdotcomm_: and now you see the benefit of not reading a quick guide. all questions answered.
07:27:32 benkay: funny
07:27:53 benkay: i was just talking to some friends earlier today about how the right way to learn how to gpg correctly was to take a week and read the manual.
07:28:00 benkay: seems like nobody has a week to learn a tool anymore.
07:28:13 benkay: anyone in this channel ever use a mill?
07:28:15 moiety: nah one evening with BingoBoingo does it perfectly
07:28:18 tg2: week? people dont read an article past the 2nd sentence
07:28:21 benkay: lathe, maybe?
07:28:24 tg2: why do you think upworthy.com is so popular
07:28:30 tg2: its a youtube video and 2 sentences
07:28:32 benkay: moiety: you're a little smarter than the average babe.
07:28:33 tg2: 1.5M fb likes
07:28:48 BingoBoingo: benkay: Grandpa used a bandsaw...
07:28:58 tg2: xdotcomm_ can build a 3d printer from scratch
07:28:59 benkay: GP teach you how to use it?
07:29:11 benkay: tg2: doesn't matter if he can't make money with if.
07:29:12 benkay: it*
07:29:23 BingoBoingo: benkay: Nah, he lost too many finger parts
07:29:34 benkay: haw
07:29:40 benkay: finger parts
07:30:05 xdotcomm_: ;;gpg eauth xdotcommer
07:30:14 xdotcomm_: ;;gpg eauth xdotcomm_
07:30:15 moiety: lol
07:30:29 xdotcomm_: ;;gpg register xdotcommer
07:30:30 benkay: you can play with gribble in private to avoid humiliating yourself, xdotcomm_
07:31:09 benkay: aw shit
07:31:19 benkay: woulda been more fun to watch him flail
07:31:20 xdotcomm_: i fucking drank man
07:31:24 benkay: dude
07:31:25 benkay: go to sleep
07:31:33 xdotcomm_: first time dis pgp shit
07:31:34 benkay: don't fuck with keys when you're not sober
07:31:40 xdotcomm_: i aint got nothing to hide
07:31:42 benkay: keys are serious business.
07:31:56 xdotcomm_: i already uploaded it to rapidshare for tg2
07:31:58 moiety: i learned gpg steaming drunk too.
07:32:13 benkay: daww moiety why don't you play with me wasted?
07:32:31 benkay: i have duct tape...
07:32:43 moiety: lolol ^
07:32:49 moiety: win
07:33:35 Apocalyptic: and we have a winner
07:33:42 tg2: ;;help
07:33:45 joecool: xdotcomm_: you sellin?
07:33:47 tg2: ;; verify
07:33:48 benkay: moiety's special tho
07:33:51 tg2: ;; everify
07:33:53 moiety: i try to behave in here, mostly
07:33:54 Apocalyptic: ;;ident tg2
07:33:56 tg2: anyway i'm verified
07:33:57 Apocalyptic: it's good dude
07:33:58 tg2: aww yeah
07:34:02 tg2: AW YEAH
07:34:08 tg2: get on my fucking ident level scrubs
07:34:16 tg2: we really shoudln't have drank so much tonight
07:34:17 benkay: ident level zero
07:34:20 tg2: lol
07:34:20 xdotcomm_: joecool: selling what?
07:34:22 tg2: yeah really
07:34:26 Apocalyptic: ;;gettrust tg2
07:34:29 joecool: xdotcomm_: you send the bitcoin
07:34:34 tg2: SO MUCH TRUST
07:34:37 Apocalyptic: ^
07:34:39 xdotcomm_: to where?
07:34:44 joecool: ;;ident
07:34:56 xdotcomm_: joecool: u trying to get me to send u bitcoin?
07:34:57 BingoBoingo: ;;rate Apocalyptic 2 x-bt not an idiot
07:35:07 tg2: ;;help rate
07:35:16 joecool: xdotcomm_: sure?
07:35:21 tg2: lol
07:35:26 tg2: did you register yet?
07:35:32 tg2: pm gribble
07:35:35 joecool: !gettrust Apocalyptic
07:35:35 benkay: u guise
07:35:38 benkay: rating each other
07:35:38 joecool: ;;gettrust Apocalyptic
07:35:44 benkay: this is pretty much as lulzy as it gets
07:36:00 BingoBoingo: Fuck it, Imma pass out.
07:36:05 joecool: solid
07:36:08 moiety: await a bunch of ratings from similarly unknown new names in the coming while
07:36:09 benkay: sleep tight BingoBoingo
07:36:11 tg2: good riddan... err night
07:36:23 moiety: nanight BingoBoingo
07:36:24 joecool: ;;gettrust moiety
07:36:29 BingoBoingo: tg2 xdotcomm_ Yall dun know what drinking is
07:36:37 tg2: > implying sobriety
07:36:54 joecool: lol i've never seen that message on wot before
07:37:05 tg2: lol
07:37:10 Apocalyptic: joecool, it's new
07:37:12 xdotcomm_: is not a valid GPG key id. Please use the long form 16 digit key id.
07:37:26 tg2: use --longkey
07:37:37 tg2: you doing it on 'nix cli?
07:37:39 Apocalyptic: night BingoBoingo
07:37:56 benkay: hahaha
07:38:03 benkay: moiety: your ratings are tits
07:38:11 tg2: is it acceptable that my key password is benkay4gaypresident?
07:38:14 benkay: "attempted the impossible, don't think other people's money was lost"
07:38:27 benkay: i gotta hear the story behind that
07:38:40 moiety: i have ratings?!
07:38:47 benkay: ;;gettrust moiety
07:38:48 xdotcomm_: ;;gettrust xdotcomm_
07:38:53 moiety: ;;gpg auth moiety
07:38:55 ozbot: NationStates | The Most Serene Republic of Bingotonia
07:38:58 joecool: moiety: apparently
07:39:14 xdotcomm_: ;;gpg auth xdotcomm_
07:39:18 xdotcomm_: ;;gpg auth xdotcommer
07:39:37 benkay: xdotcomm_: maybe go to sleep
07:39:47 benkay: 1 day does not matter over the course of your life
07:39:50 tg2: inb4 gpg brute force
07:39:56 tg2: eventually
07:39:59 tg2: it will get accepted
07:40:21 tg2: haha my sides are in orbit
07:40:40 benkay: tg2 where did you get your mixer?
07:40:40 tg2: if only you guys knew on what level this is
07:41:11 tg2: x is chortling strong
07:41:49 tg2: mixer? i don't mix. anybody who says so is a lying sac of shit and I will ;;rate them
07:42:03 benkay: i've never seen anyone do that to metaphors before. i want one like you have.
07:42:17 Apocalyptic: "I will ;;rate them" too bad you can't, for now
07:42:29 tg2: i'm putting it in notepad
07:42:33 tg2: for future ;;rating
07:42:45 benkay: i'm still waiting for you both to auth at the same time
07:42:49 tg2: i'm authed
07:43:04 tg2: CHECK ME BRO
07:43:23 ozbot: Bro Down Stephen Sondheim vs Randy Marsh - YouTube
07:43:38 tg2: this perfectly recaps our exchanges tonight
07:43:58 tg2: ;;ident tg2
07:44:03 benkay: ;;ident xdotcommer
07:44:08 benkay: "at the same time"
07:44:13 xdotcommer: y
07:44:13 benkay: reading comprehension?
07:44:18 xdotcommer: i cant do this
07:44:21 tg2: lol
07:44:31 tg2: this is a clever ruse
07:44:32 xdotcommer: ;;gpg eauth xdotcommer
07:44:35 tg2: best sock ever
07:44:42 xdotcommer: y i just registered
07:44:43 tg2: good sock bad sock
07:44:49 Apocalyptic: xdotcommer, ;;eregister is the first command
07:44:58 xdotcommer: yea it says success
07:45:04 tg2: meanwhile x has like 4 gpg keys that I know of
07:45:05 tg2: in my chain
07:45:07 Apocalyptic: did you decrypt the OTP ?
07:45:22 xdotcommer: Request successful for user xdotcommer, hostmask xdotcomme
07:45:28 Apocalyptic: it should have sent you a link
07:45:42 tg2: xdotcommer, you have to disable norton antivirus
07:45:46 Apocalyptic: now you open that, decrypt it,and ;;everify it
07:45:48 tg2: and open internete explorer
07:46:20 tg2: search in the ask toolbar for "gpg fast direct download"
07:46:22 tg2: click the first link
07:46:28 tg2: click all hte donwload buttons you see
07:46:41 tg2: click yes on all the prompts
07:47:03 tg2: ;;ident tg2
07:47:16 tg2: wow, such ident, much fingerprint
07:47:19 xdotcommer: ;;gpg eauth xdotcommer
07:48:31 xdotcommer: ;;gpg eauth xdotcommer
07:48:39 xdotcommer: sup now mofos
07:48:42 tg2: holy wow
07:48:57 xdotcommer: so we cant be 2 people?
07:49:06 xdotcommer: maybe there is like 5 of us
07:49:16 xdotcommer: benkay: ?
07:49:17 benkay: strawman
07:49:21 tg2: ;;rate help
07:49:22 benkay: booooring
07:49:33 tg2: ok xdotcommer, your shift is up
07:49:37 tg2: inform the next sock they can take over
07:49:52 benkay: so tg2
07:49:57 MisterE: that dude with the 2.5 ph!!
07:49:58 benkay: where are your ratings going to come from?
07:49:59 tg2: ;;rate xdotcommer 10 touched my tralala
07:50:04 tg2: :'9
07:50:07 MisterE: nice work those rigs look bare bones
07:50:08 benkay: hahahahahahaha
07:50:09 MisterE: and using Pis
07:50:11 xdotcommer: ok so what can we do now that we could not do before?
07:50:16 tg2: benkay rate me
07:50:20 benkay: why?
07:50:24 tg2: you denenerate shitposter
07:50:34 benkay: eloquent.
07:50:42 xdotcommer: ;;rate xdotcommer 10 shilling like a villain
07:50:48 tg2: lol
07:50:48 chatquack: ;;rate bingoboingo 1 pretty awesome
07:50:51 tg2: you rate yourself
07:50:57 tg2: that is how the trust system works
07:50:59 xdotcommer: ;;rate tg2 10 shilling like a villain
07:51:03 tg2: solid comprehension
07:51:07 xdotcommer: haha
07:51:09 tg2: strong show
07:51:17 tg2: benkay
07:51:17 benkay: monocle gents
07:51:21 tg2: pls
07:51:22 benkay: wot wot
07:51:32 tg2: benkay can has r8 pls
07:51:42 tg2: I'll send you 100 dogecoins
07:51:47 tg2: worth imo
07:52:14 Apocalyptic: poor mircea, he will have a hard time reading the log later today
07:52:24 benkay: poor poor mircea
07:52:33 tg2: so poor
07:52:42 tg2: doesn't even have darkcoins
07:52:48 benkay: top kek gents
07:52:59 benkay: good job falling in line
07:53:04 benkay: no need to even crack skulls
07:53:14 tg2: > implying skull cracking abilities
07:53:21 xdotcommer: benkay: what we get for learning pgp?
07:53:27 xdotcommer: like a cookie at lesT?
07:53:27 benkay: hardcore 4channer
07:53:28 tg2: inb4 250gbps flood
07:53:33 benkay: welcome
07:53:45 tg2: ok cool
07:53:48 benkay: it's a reference for others, tg2
07:53:50 tg2: well I feel much less dignified that before
07:53:54 benkay: don't pay it too much bother
07:54:08 benkay: you'd have had to read logs and shit to get the joke
07:54:10 tg2: but now strangers on the internet know how legitimate I am
07:54:19 benkay: yeah, what's your rating again?
07:54:24 benkay: much legitimate.
07:54:26 benkay: wow
07:54:36 tg2: look at this guy, doge meme'n it up
07:54:38 tg2: what a champ
07:54:42 tg2: you're a half decent guy you know that
07:54:49 tg2: i applaud your efforts at making us feel at home
07:54:52 tg2: good show
07:55:18 xdotcommer: ahahha this guy tells us to register then makes fun of us for not having rating in their system
07:55:22 ozbot: Acquiring Business - YouTube
07:55:26 tg2: its actually closer tot hat
07:55:27 tg2: irl
07:55:37 tg2: but with more drinking
07:55:42 tg2: and less black people
07:55:58 benkay: you'll get it, i'm sure
07:56:02 benkay: more reads
07:56:05 benkay: less derp
07:56:19 xdotcommer: what about selfpawns?
07:56:19 tg2: i really think its great that you guys are humoring us
07:56:30 benkay: if not derpers, won't drown
07:56:33 tg2: meanwhile xdotcommer authored parts of i2p
07:56:47 benkay: oooh, mega creds
07:56:52 tg2: as previously mentionned, sides are on jupiter ATM
07:56:54 xdotcommer: lolz
07:56:56 benkay: ;;rate NAAAAAH
07:57:08 tg2: perhaps tomorrow morning they will have returned
07:57:19 tg2: along with a hangover
07:57:37 benkay: plan to read logs in the am?
07:57:44 benkay: self flagellate?
07:57:50 moiety: this is still ongoing i see
07:57:57 moiety: ;; ident moiety
07:58:01 benkay: moiety save meeee
07:58:10 moiety: fucking pretty key i made huh :)
07:58:10 xdotcommer: Apocalyptic: thanks for that vid
07:58:12 xdotcommer: its good
07:58:45 moiety: benkay: its called ignore :P
07:58:52 benkay: they're trying
07:58:57 benkay: identing and all
07:59:07 benkay: gotta have *some* modicum of manners
07:59:36 moiety: treat others as they treat you is my motto
07:59:44 tg2: brb writing a vanity gpg key gen
07:59:48 benkay: after all, BingoBoingo and I settled our differences eventually.
07:59:49 tg2: opencl? opencl
08:00:48 xdotcommer: y so many pople in this channel
08:00:55 xdotcommer: alsmost as much as in #dogecoin
08:01:02 xdotcommer: wait no they have 900+
08:01:04 moiety: i didnt know you had had differences benkay, im glad they are settled
08:01:36 moiety: oh yeah i wanted to see my ratings
08:01:42 moiety: ;; gettrust moiety
08:01:53 tg2: so rated
08:02:09 benkay: well, we trolled each other hard for about a week when BingoBoingo returned from his self-imposed exile lo these many months ago
08:02:12 joecool: moiety: congrats WOT is no longer telling me that you're an impostor and a scammer
08:02:37 benkay: ;;rate moiety 1 not ninjashogun
08:02:46 moiety: i just needed to gribble joecool!
08:02:57 moiety: lolol benkay XD
08:03:20 moiety: i has two ratings nao :D
08:03:43 *: joecool sleeps
08:03:56 benkay: quantity > quality, eh xdotcommer?
08:04:20 xdotcommer: benkay: regarding?
08:04:33 benkay: <xdotcommer> y so many pople in this channel [01:00]
08:04:34 benkay: <xdotcommer> alsmost as much as in #dogecoin
08:04:36 benkay: <xdotcommer> wait no they have 900+
08:04:42 xdotcommer: are u saying ur better then dogecoin person?
08:04:49 xdotcommer: so presumptuous
08:05:00 benkay: to use a 4chanism
08:05:30 xdotcommer: u know y i like doge
08:05:35 xdotcommer: cause fast
08:05:38 xdotcommer: and cheap to send
08:05:47 moiety: ;; later tell BingoBoingo i didn't realise you had left me a rating, that means a lot what you said
08:06:10 benkay: > implozlzolzol
08:06:11 benkay: and inflates infinitely!
08:06:11 benkay: what could go wrong.
08:06:41 benkay: was this in reference to the chatthing moiety ?
08:06:49 moiety: fast + cheap to send is all it takes? better make my manuls fast as fuck then
08:07:10 benkay: in and out
08:07:12 benkay: quick as possible
08:07:12 xdotcommer: tg2: u got those bitcoins i sent last year?
08:07:15 benkay: why u no climax?
08:07:51 moiety: yeah benkay i tried to make it work as best i could but i think i was in a losing battle, large mess
08:08:06 benkay: did you get out whole?
08:08:26 moiety: still going amn't i? :)
08:08:33 benkay: oh goodness
08:08:43 benkay: still wrapped up in it then
08:09:33 moiety: well no its shifted, i only retained some users and code really
08:10:26 moiety: just didnt give in when i shouldve
08:10:36 benkay: to what should you have given in?
08:11:23 moiety: like i shouldve just said no, not taken the site and left it at that. avoided all dramatics and the like
08:11:56 benkay: nobody else to push it off on?
08:12:34 moiety: no and i couldnt say no enough times.
08:12:49 benkay: that's a rough finger trap.
08:13:47 moiety: all ages ago, onwards and upwards as they say
08:13:56 benkay: indeedl
08:14:05 moiety: dwll on things too long and you just go backwards right?
08:14:10 moiety: dwell*
08:14:23 benkay: key there is the "too long"
08:14:42 benkay: there's an appropriate amount of dwelling and contrition from which one can learn things
08:14:55 benkay: but generally don't hurt yourself unnecessarily over it
08:15:05 benkay: learn the html, css, js
08:15:05 moiety: ^ thats what i did entirely
08:15:17 benkay: maybe get a sweet job or something
08:16:05 moiety: yeah im now in learn mode. i did have crazy plans but BingoBoingo said, just calm down and learn a while
08:16:14 moiety: shit thing is i lost my job in the process
08:16:21 benkay: rough stuff!
08:16:27 benkay: how'd that come about?
08:16:35 benkay: not to reopen a fresh wound.
08:17:14 tg2: xdotcommer - ?
08:17:30 xdotcommer: non
08:17:46 tg2: when did you ever send me bitcions
08:18:01 moiety: a few factors, but being so involved in that didnt help. not for publogs
08:18:08 tg2: dont try to get ratings out of me you scammy fuck
08:18:13 xdotcommer: tg2: whats bitcoins is that money software
08:18:16 tg2: i'm on to you
08:18:29 tg2: ;;rate xdotcommer -10000000 said he had candy in his van
08:18:40 xdotcommer: we cant even shill each other
08:18:45 tg2: :'(
08:18:48 moiety: so are you guys on oral medication or injections?
08:18:49 benkay: yeah it's bullshit i tell you
08:18:51 benkay: worthless wot
08:18:58 xdotcommer: who was on top of the rating pyramid
08:19:01 tg2: I'm going to write an angry letter
08:19:05 xdotcommer: because there had to be the first guy
08:19:13 tg2: what kind of rating pyramid is this anyway
08:19:14 xdotcommer: the one with power to rate
08:19:22 tg2: who rates the raters
08:19:28 xdotcommer: he gave a gift or rating to others
08:19:35 tg2: how many rates can you rate, really
08:19:36 tg2: and who rates that
08:19:56 tg2: at what rate can those rates truly be rated
08:19:57 moiety: when can i rate people? how many do i need?
08:20:05 benkay: try it, moiety
08:20:11 tg2: send me somebitcoins I'll rate you
08:20:12 xdotcommer: moiety: rate me bro
08:20:27 tg2: ask benkay - he has my address
08:20:32 tg2: we tight
08:20:43 moiety: ;; rate benkay 1 knows trolling when he sees it
08:20:48 moiety: \o/
08:20:48 tg2: ;;rate benkay 10 IRL bro, accdientally crossed streams, never talked about it
08:21:16 benkay: i'm just waiting to discover that tg2 is pax dickinson or someone cool
08:21:17 tg2: so................. once i get 1 rating
08:21:18 xdotcommer: moiety: whats the site thats giving u pains?
08:21:21 xdotcommer: is it public info?
08:21:22 benkay: i'll probably be mad disappointed.
08:21:22 tg2: I can give out infinite ratings
08:21:52 tg2: benkay, you'll know who I am when the time is right
08:22:02 tg2: and then you're gonna be like "OH MAN WHATTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT NO WAY"
08:22:03 moiety: xdotcommer: it doesnt exist anymore
08:22:06 benkay: ain't nobody in no hurry, tg2
08:22:16 xdotcommer: moiety: was it something cool?
08:22:28 xdotcommer: like bitbets.com
08:22:31 tg2: just when you are comfortable in your assertion that I am not ninjashogun, after years of earning your trust, secretly
08:22:38 tg2: I wlil reveal myself as ninjashogun
08:22:52 moiety: it was a cool concept, with the wrong users
08:22:54 tg2: you will be left with a void of trust the likes of which WOT cannot comprehend
08:23:11 xdotcommer: moiety: automated type stuff?
08:23:25 xdotcommer: ponzi.io?
08:23:37 moiety: nah ponzi.me
08:23:46 benkay: ponzi.you
08:24:06 moiety: namecheap will probably be selling .ponzi soon
08:24:17 benkay: .bit is the new .ponzi
08:24:48 xdotcommer: benkay: link?
08:24:50 moiety: true lol
08:25:00 Apocalyptic: <tg2> I can give out infinite ratings // depends
08:25:10 moiety: manls.com and pallascat.com are gone :(
08:25:14 xdotcommer: i like the idea of free dns
08:25:23 tg2: manuls.io
08:25:29 moiety: no
08:25:33 tg2: manulmode
08:25:36 benkay: manu.ls?
08:25:38 tg2: raiseyourmanuls
08:26:05 xdotcommer: benkay: i meant why .bit is new ponzi
08:26:16 moiety: oh i hadnt thought of .ls, i was thinking pallasc.at but im not so keen on domain hacks
08:26:17 tg2: damn I was hopnig that .ls stood for lichtenstein
08:26:24 xdotcommer: if mozilla + google adopt it... it game time
08:26:39 xdotcommer: tg2: lichtenstein hosting
08:26:39 tg2: domai.nr
08:27:00 tg2: such graphics
08:27:05 moiety: except mine, mine is great. palindrome email ftw
08:27:16 xdotcommer: for .bit u need mozilla + chrome to adopt it.
08:27:19 tg2: ;;ident moiety
08:27:31 tg2: needs more 6's
08:27:39 benkay: xdotcommer: bitcoin's a ponzi, duh.
08:27:45 tg2: unsatisfactory amount of 6's in gpg stub
08:27:55 tg2: bitcoin, the best ponzi
08:27:56 moiety: my key is beautiful. shut up
08:28:17 tg2: ;;ident tg2
08:28:27 tg2: looks like 4 bitches
08:28:41 tg2: CEO
08:28:50 xdotcommer: benkay: say it aint so
08:28:59 tg2: this is modern day palm reading
08:29:01 xdotcommer: benkay: take it back
08:29:03 benkay: hard trufs breh
08:29:09 tg2: lol
08:29:12 moiety: do you guys ever sleep? js
08:29:15 xdotcommer: sources
08:29:21 xdotcommer: we sleep when dead
08:29:28 tg2: if only you knew benkay, if only you knew
08:29:38 moiety: sounds like a challenge
08:30:15 tg2: well, its early enough to go to bed
08:30:22 xdotcommer: moiety: vampirism
08:30:37 tg2: gnite benkay
08:30:47 xdotcommer: VampCoin
08:30:53 benkay: tg2 if only *you* knew benkay
08:30:55 tg2: coiners anonymous
08:31:02 xdotcommer: only possible to mine in dark
08:31:15 xdotcommer: must have fresh blood
08:31:33 xdotcommer: once u give somebody vampcoin
08:31:37 xdotcommer: ...
08:32:00 benkay: ;;later tell Jorge_Pasada http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/03/27_why-wot-why-now-its-an-immune-system-sucker.html
08:33:51 benkay: night moiety
08:34:01 benkay: now...if only *you* knew benkay...
08:35:04 moiety: lol nanight benkay, nice article :)
08:35:36 benkay: quit flattering me you
08:35:44 benkay: getcha nowhere
08:35:51 benkay: ;)
08:35:56 moiety: :P
08:36:20 tg2: Wow ok I'll officially tired, I just set a server ip to it's netmask and have no ipmi... lol
08:38:36 xdotcommer: see this is retarded... http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/03/27_why-wot-why-now-its-an-immune-system-sucker.html
08:38:48 xdotcommer: cause in adult what we do is we trust people based on domains they own
08:39:00 xdotcommer: if they can prove ownership of domain
08:39:07 xdotcommer: then we can talk
08:39:44 xdotcommer: this is to niche ... its like reinventing linkedin
08:40:01 xdotcommer: bitcoin is mainstream
08:40:37 xdotcommer: registering with ircbot systems is not a step forward
08:41:00 jurov: i prefer one can prove ownership of gpg key
08:41:13 jurov: domains can't be truly owned anyway
08:41:25 xdotcommer: granted I am cant think of anything better at the moment but this is not elegant
08:41:48 xdotcommer: i am honored to be one of "knuckleheads"
08:42:05 xdotcommer: yea when I am to wasted to produce code ill hit up irc for inspiration
08:42:09 jurov: elegant things are not good for anything, only to be fucked up
08:43:31 xdotcommer: its going mainstream http://www.coindesk.com/chamath-palihapitiya-bitcion-moving-past-amateur-hour/
08:44:11 Apocalyptic: I like elegant women
08:44:28 xdotcommer: there was some hotties at the bar tonight for sure
08:44:42 jurov: Apocalyptic thx for supporting my point
08:44:50 Apocalyptic: heh
08:45:09 xdotcommer: there is no point... I am here cause wasted ur here cause bored
08:45:20 xdotcommer: no business being done
08:45:26 xdotcommer: no code being produced
08:45:37 jurov: but really.. what is elegeant in replacing wot with domains?
08:46:03 jurov: unless namecoin is used .. but then we're back to private keys anyway
08:46:43 xdotcommer: keys are not necessarily bad
09:15:42 MisterE: wtf to do with private key
09:30:52 bounce: back it up. check eg paperkey.
11:06:17 mircea_popescu: good moornin
11:07:15 ozbot: Good Morning ~ Singin' in the Rain (1952) Gene Kelly, Debbie Reynolds & Donald O'Connor - YouTube
11:13:09 ozbot: Interacting with fiat institution, a guide pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
11:13:09 mircea_popescu: zesepeople.
11:19:16 ThickAsThieves: omg total log pollution
11:19:52 ThickAsThieves: tg2 is what? ChaangNoi?
11:20:16 ThickAsThieves: (i have you on ignore btw)
11:21:49 mircea_popescu: i doubt it.
11:22:26 mircea_popescu: goat can't manage to go through two hours without trying to suck up to someone, he's quite eastern.
11:24:54 ThickAsThieves: it was all the claims of riches that made me think so
11:25:12 ThickAsThieves: he's the only one i recall repeating how much he recently made of something
11:25:17 ThickAsThieves: off*
11:26:57 mircea_popescu: i believe that's a more common trait than felony.
11:28:14 cazalla: doesn't chaang come around here anymore (reading through logs, he's quite active last year) ??
11:28:20 mircea_popescu: (before being repurposed by english to mean "criminal", felony denoted the behaviour of the overly-socially adaptable, they who go from inflexible grandeur in the presence of inferiors to abject suckupitude should any superiors show up. de funes in the gendarme series is a fine example)
11:41:36 ThickAsThieves: "However, tax treatment of Bitcoin as a property, and not a currency, may make compliance with tax laws unnecessarily cumbersome and imposes untenable recording and reporting requirements on its users. This is an unwelcome result for most bitcoin users, but is particularly detrimental to those that Bitcoin can help the most: small business and underbanked individuals. When it is used
11:41:36 ThickAsThieves: as a currency, Bitcoin should be a frictionless means of paying for goods and services. "
11:49:21 mircea_popescu: derp.
11:49:56 mircea_popescu: that thing should have read "We thought we knew better than MP, but we did not. We will now wear rough burlap on the skin for the next year as penace"
11:52:43 ThickAsThieves: this video on the Internet Party site has some laughs
11:53:01 ThickAsThieves: mostly at the NZ pm's expense
11:54:11 VanCleef: kim dot com for teh win
12:00:47 mircea_popescu: the notion that nz has pms in the first place...
12:23:40 ozbot: If bitcoins were around in the '90s... - YouTube
12:50:22 ozbot: Man Arrested for Public Consumption of Iced Tea Urged to Take a "Deal" from Prosecutors | The Daily
12:55:53 ozbot: A mental problem pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
13:05:24 mircea_popescu: nanotube http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=mircea_popescu&sign=ANY&type=RECV
13:05:41 mircea_popescu: why does it say "This user has not authenticated for more than 16156 days" ? i've authed like... yesterday
13:07:13 mircea_popescu: for that matter, otc hasn't existed for 16k days i would hope
13:31:59 moiety: mew
13:33:09 mircea_popescu: i heard manuls are now illegal in the united states.
13:36:08 ozbot: STOP the evictions.. 55 Banks Occupied today!!!! | The Free
13:36:11 mircea_popescu: some of the pics quite lulzy.
13:36:19 mircea_popescu: http://thefreeonline.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/antonio-pah-popular-edu-bayer_ediima20130726_0647_16.jpg like that one
13:37:24 MisterE: what is up with this dump?
13:37:28 moiety: that picture of bush is a cracker
13:37:58 moiety: mircea_popescu: i think some of them think its a parade
13:38:05 mircea_popescu: or something.
13:38:54 moiety: im glad manuls are illegal in the us, they dont have to deal with the gvt. also not naturally there so they should be left alone to survive as long as possible.
13:39:47 VanCleef: wow bitcoin prices are dropping alot, awesome
13:42:16 mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
13:42:27 mircea_popescu: it's been dropping ?
13:42:35 mircea_popescu: last i looked i recall it was also 550
13:43:16 VanCleef: yeh dropped to 521 on stamp
13:44:01 ozbot: BBC News - North Korea: Students required to get Kim Jong-un haircut
13:44:25 VanCleef: hehe yeh read thtat, tis funny
13:45:03 mircea_popescu: i wonder what'll happen should kim herp-derp decide to shave his balls.
13:45:42 mircea_popescu: http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/73817000/jpg/_73817643_mm00221184.jpg << this looks like a set from hair.
13:46:50 VanCleef: i think he already does
13:48:26 chetty: he has balls?
13:49:31 VanCleef: i hope he goes bald then every male has to have a bald haircut my hair is thinning so if i go bald too i am so moving to north korea because you'll be able to get all teh chicks as baldness becomes cool
13:50:33 chetty: bald is sexy
13:57:32 CheckDavid: Hey
14:08:46 mircea_popescu: ello
14:35:14 ozbot: BitBet - Bitcoin to drop under $500 before May
14:35:17 TomServo: pretty quick swing there!
14:39:37 MykelSIlver: What is the Low on Bitstamp?
14:40:10 MykelSIlver: Seems it was breefly on $500
14:40:14 MykelSIlver: under
14:42:27 MykelSIlver: !last
14:42:39 MykelSIlver: !help
14:43:13 MykelSIlver: !last bitstamp
14:43:15 lnovy: 505 afaik
14:43:23 TomServo: ;;ticker
14:43:29 MykelSIlver: thx
14:43:44 lnovy: but not for long :)
14:44:10 MykelSIlver: you wanna bet on that :-) ?
14:44:33 lnovy: i prefer to trade :)
14:44:40 MykelSIlver: cool
14:45:59 MykelSIlver: look like the next leg down
14:46:11 MykelSIlver: s
14:47:11 MykelSIlver: quite a support
14:47:14 MykelSIlver: atm
14:49:25 MykelSIlver: Neo is fighting Morpheus
14:51:42 tg2: Psa don't drink and post. Benkay is a good sport though for putting up with such trolling last night and still having patience after
14:52:27 tg2: Enough patience to write an article. :D
14:53:01 MykelSIlver: So http://bitbet.us/bet/793/bitcoin-to-drop-under-500-before-may/ is resolved soon?
14:54:42 TomServo: Resolves May 1st, unless it crosses sooner - the way I read it.
14:55:24 MykelSIlver: It can cross this hour
14:56:10 MykelSIlver: 284 BTC to be sold on bitstamp according to rtbtc
14:56:28 MykelSIlver: oops
14:56:33 MykelSIlver: 1530
14:56:35 MykelSIlver: BTC
14:56:49 MisterE: ltc is a bloodbath
14:57:09 MykelSIlver: great time for bottom pickers
14:57:23 ozbot: loading
14:57:28 MisterE: I dont think we're there yet
14:58:00 tg2: Holy $14
14:58:19 tg2: irs decision needs a supreme court case to reverse
14:58:20 dexX7: lol wow via pm "Basically, I want to write some VB modules which can send bitcoin transactions. Of course, there aren't many examples out there how to do that. If we could talk on the telephone for 15 minutes, you'll save me about 3 days work." ... suuure
14:58:27 VanCleef: even 100$ is too expensive
14:58:52 jurov: !t m x.eur
14:58:57 nubbins`: dexX7: so send 'em a quote for 3 days work
14:58:58 tg2: Can't have different government departments treating it differently to their preference
14:59:13 dexX7: wait. what was fraudsters's office number again? :D
14:59:24 nubbins`: HEH
14:59:29 tg2: Lol
14:59:35 nubbins`: i think you just type out the email address on the keypad
15:00:58 ozbot: The Doors - The End (original) - YouTube
15:01:23 VanCleef: goes well while watching bitcoinwisdom
15:02:32 bounce: not exactly hard to get a sip did, even a free one.
15:03:48 nanotube: mircea_popescu: fixed thanks. :)
15:07:11 bounce: what're we going to see next, bitcoin mining container ships following low electricity prices around the globe?
15:07:21 moiety: nubbins`: so, look what i found... http://colnect.com/en/coins/coin/36009-500_Manat_Pallas_Cat-Wildlife_Series-Turkmenistan they're in fiat already!
15:07:30 nubbins`: :o
15:08:07 moiety: oh dear god
15:08:17 moiety: thats... quite something punkman1!
15:08:36 moiety: my collection is growing! ty!
15:09:09 moiety: my site will be useless but fucking informative
15:10:31 moiety: that one has crystals in it too! :o
15:20:14 nubbins`: the mongolian one is pretty sick
15:20:26 nubbins`: reminds me of the canadian owl coin
15:23:22 dexX7: lol those coins are evil
15:26:27 nubbins`: i'm just looking at the new releases, they've got a coin with a frog made from venetian glass attached to it
15:27:33 dexX7: looks like it would break or fall off quickly
15:28:03 nubbins`: my guess is there's an anchor protruding from the silver
15:28:49 punkman1: setting gems is not an unsolved problem
15:29:48 nubbins`: yeah, i'd be shocked to see it on a circulation coin
15:29:58 nubbins`: i guess for a numismatic, it doesn't have to be quite as sturdy
15:30:50 Namworld: I'm pretty sure it's meant to be on a display box
15:31:00 mircea_popescu: soo, the mpoe astrology department informs me that april the 20th, other than being orthodox easter, is also going to be a grand cross and the first of four blood moons.
15:31:04 mircea_popescu: sounds ominouis dunnit ?
15:31:19 Namworld: And not actively handled, so there's that. Should be fine.
15:31:21 jurov: it's catholic eater, too
15:31:27 jurov: *easter lol
15:31:28 Namworld: What the hell is a blood moon?
15:31:29 mircea_popescu: o it is ?
15:31:32 mircea_popescu: ;;google blood moon
15:31:41 mircea_popescu: nanotube nono, ty :)
15:31:55 Mats_cd03: well thats going to look awesome when im baked
15:32:29 mircea_popescu: MykelSIlver did it cross ?
15:32:37 MykelSIlver: nope
15:32:40 VanCleef: baked? isn't that illegal?
15:32:40 MykelSIlver: ;;ticker
15:32:42 VanCleef: :P
15:32:44 Namworld: I call that a "Look, the moon is fucking brown-orange."
15:32:56 MykelSIlver: 505.0 still LOD
15:33:11 mike_c: please ask the astrology dept what the lucky lotto numbers are for a cancer under such conditions.
15:33:46 MykelSIlver: must be a miracle if this was the Low till May
15:34:11 mircea_popescu: mike_c aite!
15:34:25 Mats_cd03: depends what jurisdiction youre in VanCleef
15:35:12 mircea_popescu: mike_c 12 13 22 54 59 63
15:35:20 mike_c: sweet, i'm gunna be rich
15:35:30 mircea_popescu: watch the dood actually win the powerball or some shit.
15:35:38 jurov: you forgot to ask which lotto
15:36:02 jurov: and for one i'm wondering what's the "grand cross"
15:36:03 dexX7: 505 oh noez... i guess no more hookers and blow till the tide shifts again ;)
15:36:13 mircea_popescu: ;;google grand cross
15:36:22 Mats_cd03: those are weak numbers... go for broke, 4 18 15 16 23 42
15:36:29 asciilifeform: i never learned so much about lottos as when researching trng.
15:36:49 nubbins`: <mircea_popescu> soo, the mpoe astrology department informs me that april the 20th, other than being orthodox easter, is also going to be a grand cross and the first of four blood moons. <<< it's also 420 CARL SAGAN BLAZE IT YO
15:36:50 Mats_cd03: (Lost reference if i left anybody behind)
15:39:02 dexX7: lol
15:39:10 ozbot: TIL a dying Carl Sagan's last words were literally "420 blaze it, Faggot." He whispered them to his
15:39:21 MisterE: those are the numbers from lost
15:39:51 asciilifeform: '...officials at Texas Steel Conversion mistakenly issued Cesar Jaime Saldivar a paycheck for $99,275, and now they want it back. Saldivar, 25, who was captured on video making a large cash withdrawal, has been charged with felony theft...'
15:40:27 dexX7: wow
15:40:30 mircea_popescu: lol
15:40:42 mircea_popescu: nice mug on him
15:40:50 MisterE: stupid people do stupid
15:40:55 MisterE: same happened to GF's sister
15:41:01 MisterE: deposited an extra month's salaruy
15:41:30 MisterE: she went out and spent it all and tried to play it off when they cam calling, silly Asians, she was paying it off for ages
15:41:33 nubbins`: so will the government give back the $38k in taxes?
15:41:42 mircea_popescu: sure, in 2023
15:41:47 mircea_popescu: just as soon as the supreme court rules it must.
15:44:01 asciilifeform: this is a good educational story re: fiat.
15:44:23 nubbins`: even if someone gives it to you, it's not necessarily yours
15:44:31 nubbins`: imagine
15:44:40 nubbins`: also, the price of bitcoin
15:44:42 nubbins`: imagine!
15:45:23 asciilifeform: re: mircea_popescu's thoughts the other day about bank accounts being mandatory in u.s. - typically, when you sign up for direct deposit of salary here, you also sign a pact that allows the employer to withdraw.
15:45:30 asciilifeform: officially limited to cases like this
15:45:32 nubbins`: :o
15:45:37 mircea_popescu: myeah.
15:46:23 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform also allows the BANK to withdraw
15:46:27 mircea_popescu: for any reason whatsoever.
15:46:35 chetty: gubermint in US also push to direct deposit of things like social security
15:46:37 MisterE: There's something even worse than fiat though
15:46:38 MisterE: Paypal
15:46:48 mircea_popescu: such as, to cover its own shortfall, or as directed by a frient of its (such as a regulator, without a court order) or in any other case.
15:47:52 asciilifeform: this, however, is known to everyone
15:48:20 asciilifeform: (it has become almost traditional to confiscate the bank account of the accused, so he cannot pay for lawyers)
15:49:37 mircea_popescu: it's really the fundamental principle that allowed the MF Global debacle.
15:49:43 asciilifeform: in usa, nothing is actually yours unless it is small enough to run away with.
15:50:42 mircea_popescu: that, and bitcoin.
15:50:55 asciilifeform: that'd be 'small enough', sure
15:51:36 asciilifeform: carefully specified 'run away' - because, e.g. 'dpr' appears to have been successfully rectothermed.
15:51:48 mircea_popescu: maybe.
15:52:03 mircea_popescu: a more persuasive theory is that the usg used this opportunity to launder its own mining proceeds.
15:52:08 asciilifeform: lol
15:53:16 MisterE: it's probably already CIA's favorite way to fund the covert trouble it starts
15:53:30 asciilifeform: that would line up nicely with 'he had XXX but there's still XXXXX that we haven't rectothermed out'
15:53:40 mircea_popescu: early on, noob of-counsel had realised title'd be iffy but hadn't yet realised title will be challenged.
15:53:57 mircea_popescu: so they tried something along the lines of what seems a meanwhile abandoned project to inject title
15:54:05 Mats_cd03: the nonzero percentage of intelligence types involved in bitcoin makes my stomach turn
15:54:32 mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 why ?
15:54:34 asciilifeform: Mats_cd03: if you want to leave meat in the sun and no flies, you will have to go to the arctic.
15:54:43 joecool: ^
15:54:45 mircea_popescu: intelligence types are better company than almost any other class
15:54:51 mircea_popescu: except whores, maybe.
15:55:15 Mats_cd03: many people in the intel field ive become acquainted with
15:55:22 mircea_popescu: hahahaha
15:55:23 Mats_cd03: are dumb as shit
15:55:29 lnovy: :D
15:55:36 mircea_popescu: that was pretty good.
15:55:46 Mats_cd03: aspiring super spy types and idiots that think they know something
15:55:58 asciilifeform: nsa vs. 'meta-nsa'
15:56:00 Mats_cd03: kind of like bitcoin really
15:56:08 mircea_popescu: what's next, most thieves i've met in jail weren't all that good at it ?
15:56:19 chetty: jajajaja
15:56:23 joecool: mircea_popescu: you were in jail?
15:56:27 MisterE: heh yea, they regularly parade through ##security
15:56:34 mircea_popescu: joecool not yet.
15:56:39 MisterE: get ther hats handed to them and move on
15:56:59 Mats_cd03: people that have spent time working in military intelligence are the worst
15:57:03 asciilifeform: my secret hope is to meet the interesting ones some day. although it will probably be before my firing squad.
15:57:22 Mats_cd03: probably something to do with how low the barrier to entry is for military types...
15:57:42 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform intelligence doesn't kill people, bureaucracies kill people.
15:57:48 asciilifeform: ever hear the saying 'see Naples and die' ?
15:58:03 MisterE: military prefers and promotes non-thinkers
15:58:17 MisterE: by nature it's not a meritocracy
15:58:35 Mats_cd03: in my experience thats only half true
15:58:42 asciilifeform: intelligence doesn't kill people << certainly. this goes back centuries - e.g. inquisitor would hand the heretic over to the 'secular arm' for processing.
15:58:54 Mats_cd03: the american military is pretty good at straddling the line
15:58:59 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform inasmuch as you know who he was, he wasn't intel.
15:59:47 asciilifeform: competent burglar can trip over a miraculous surprise and end in jail
15:59:51 asciilifeform: the sapper errs once.
16:00:07 Mats_cd03: as far as training for platoon leaders go... us .mil excels at meritocracy, at least during a deployment in an area with modest insurgent populations
16:00:09 MisterE: so does the covert op
16:00:10 asciilifeform: you know who he was, he wasn't intel << so not necessarily.
16:00:50 mircea_popescu: ya but ya know what i mean
16:00:52 Mats_cd03: basically a trial by fire for the tactically inept
16:01:01 mircea_popescu: never saw a spy with a title.
16:01:07 mircea_popescu: which reminds me of a seinfeld bit :
16:01:43 mircea_popescu: JERRY: I got ripped off for about the...18th time? And now, the first couple a times you go through it, it?s very upsetting and your first reaction or one of your friends will say, ?Call the police. You really should call the police.? So you think to yourself, you know, you watch TV, you think, ?Yeah, I?m calling the police. Stakeouts, manhunts... I?m gonna see some real action.? Right, you think that. So
16:01:43 mircea_popescu: , the police come over to your house, they fill out: The Report. They give you: Your Copy. Now, unless they give the crook his copy, I don?t really think we?re gonna crack this case, do you? It?s not like Batman, where there?s three crooks in the city and everybody pretty much knows, who they are. Very few crooks even go to the trouble to come up with a theme for their careers anymore. It makes them a lot tough
16:01:44 mircea_popescu: er to spot. ?Did you lose a sony? It could be the Penguin. I think we can round him up, he?s dressed like a PENGUIN! We can find him, he?s a PENGUIN!
16:01:56 Mats_cd03: inevitably though, leaders lose their creativity by the time they become flag officers
16:02:30 Mats_cd03: but its usually lost by the time they make major
16:02:38 Mats_cd03: too much time flying a desk
16:02:48 asciilifeform: 'mahogany bomber'
16:02:56 asciilifeform: (to the british)
16:04:29 Mats_cd03: whats worse is mustangs in the system are discouraged by design
16:04:55 asciilifeform: re: burglars: everyone who gets burgled quickly learns j. e. hoover's lesson 'justice is incidental to law and order'
16:05:13 Mats_cd03: mustangs: former enlisted that received a commission and are now officers (e.g. lieutenant)
16:05:36 MisterE: Mats_cd03: they know all they will need soon are an army of kids controlling bots in a video game like theater
16:05:59 Mats_cd03: so the best warfighters and leaders of this generation are rapidly being replaced by... high school seniors
16:06:02 MisterE: hell drone program is enough for all but a stupid occupation like Iraq
16:06:09 MisterE: yea
16:06:53 asciilifeform: can't wait for 'we didn't mean to demolish XXX. bot got hacked.'
16:07:03 Mats_cd03: and thats all the ranting i have for this morning
16:07:57 asciilifeform: (better excuse than the 'targeting error' that demolished the chinese embassy in belgrade. the one that happened to contain the pieces of the 'stealth' machine.)
16:08:43 tg2: Oops our gross incompetence lead to this duration but it's really somebody elses fault
16:08:56 tg2: itt: every exchange in the last year
16:10:37 tg2: Hackers/transaction maleability/bots
16:10:55 nubbins`: bitcoin is like an early prototype airplane
16:11:26 nubbins`: people say "i want to fly!" and they run after it, grabbing onto the wheels, not realizing the effect their dead weight will have on it
16:11:54 asciilifeform: airlines regularly find stowaways in landing gear shafts, dead of asphyxiation and frost
16:12:02 asciilifeform: there is definitely a parallel here.
16:12:03 nubbins`: right
16:12:18 nubbins`: the question is whether the airplanes will reach the point where the landing gear kills people
16:12:29 nubbins`: before the rest of the fleet crashes and burns
16:12:40 nubbins`: it's a race, i tell ya
16:13:03 Mats_cd03: well, i hope you'll all be in here when it happens
16:13:05 asciilifeform: to run with the analogy, the plane in question doesn't notice the idiot in the gear well at all.
16:13:12 mircea_popescu: this notion that children can somehow, with a lot of shaving paste and stilts, stand up to adults is laughable.
16:13:34 mircea_popescu: no high school senior hauled up in a basement is EVER going to be a soldier,
16:13:38 mircea_popescu: or matter in this wolrd.
16:18:51 benkay: good shwarma
16:19:12 benkay: xdotcommer: domains as identification? are you pulling my leg or pulling my leg?
16:19:33 nubbins`: wow, winds near Gros Morne exceeded 200km/h last night
16:19:42 xdotcommer: benkay: just telling you how it works... if its a popular site you know then guy aint going to runk with your 2K
16:19:48 Mats_cd03: pgp is too complicated, man
16:20:00 xdotcommer: pgp is pretty good
16:20:05 benkay: tellin me how it works
16:20:09 Mats_cd03: theres like, cryptography, and hashes, and stuff
16:20:21 benkay: i don't care about the 2k
16:20:22 xdotcommer: Mats_cd03: moar keywords please
16:20:31 asciilifeform: whichever british gentleman said 'those who do not have time for exercise will have to find time for disease'
16:20:34 asciilifeform: applies to pgp
16:20:34 benkay: i care about someone impersonating you.
16:21:11 benkay: xdotcommer seems to be exercising to look cool
16:21:21 benkay: he says is doesn't work like we think it does
16:21:36 asciilifeform: 'those who do not have time for pgp will have to find time for being pwned'
16:22:22 benkay: those who took the time to pgp are still getting soldering irons in the tuchus.
16:23:09 xdotcommer: You guys are preaching to the choir I am all for this pgp stuff ... just was hard to figure out after night of boozing
16:23:23 asciilifeform: 'hang for a sheep as well as a lamb'
16:23:47 benkay: fartup scene
16:24:00 nubbins`: ah, that other guy was going on about that last night
16:24:01 benkay: sweet taste of ideas
16:24:15 xdotcommer: benkay: free berr
16:24:29 nubbins`: said something about how he goes there and pitches people's ideas back to them, making them weep when confronted with their own stupidity
16:24:34 xdotcommer: benkay: portland is not the only place with a startup theme
16:24:49 benkay: nope its unique
16:25:01 benkay: *plugs ears, sings*
16:25:16 Mats_cd03: if portland is anything like portlandia, it needs to be set afire from orbit
16:25:27 Mats_cd03: (i got netflix recently)
16:25:41 benkay: don't believe everything hollywood tells you
16:26:01 Mats_cd03: hollywood is the one pure truth
16:26:28 benkay: idiot drivers is actually a thing, although that's more because perverse regulation.
16:26:52 xdotcommer: Le CryptoCat
16:27:02 asciilifeform: 'Encryption in the Browser' << satan preserve us
16:27:23 benkay: cryptocat was broken by design, right?
16:27:25 asciilifeform: hasn't 'Cryptocat' already fucked its public goat?
16:27:29 benkay: what is he still doing talking about crypto?
16:27:32 xdotcommer: asciilifeform: does not hurt to try
16:27:35 asciilifeform: how is bob still bridge-builder
16:27:35 mircea_popescu: either that or designed by the broken
16:27:57 mircea_popescu: xdotcommer apparently you've not tried a great many things.
16:28:33 benkay: last year city council passed some rules about how pedestrians can walk out into the street and demand the right of way
16:28:34 xdotcommer: mircea_popescu: I did not mean for me... if the guy wants to do encryption in the browser ... I say let him go for it
16:28:51 mircea_popescu: im starting to understand something. if we manage to not turn into wikipedia within a decade we'll have actually accomplished an amazing feat.
16:29:12 mircea_popescu: xdotcommer well sure. but in the same sense, if the twelve year old wants to have twins, let her ?
16:29:33 xdotcommer: mircea_popescu: depends in which country I guess
16:29:48 mircea_popescu: or whose twelve year old, but yeah.
16:29:53 mike_c: if the three 19 year old CSS developers want to open an options exchange..
16:30:11 mircea_popescu: mike_c how did that thing settle down in the end ? "bitcoin's fault" ?
16:30:17 xdotcommer: mircea_popescu: and in which time/space as well years ago childbirth at 12 was not uncommon
16:30:34 benkay: if the 'crypto enthusiasiast' wants to build crypto humans use...
16:30:54 mike_c: i don't think it was bitcoin, it was some altcoin
16:31:21 mircea_popescu: unrelatredly, http://24.media.tumblr.com/8d05d63b08beb33ad107aeed77d7c253/tumblr_mly580FwEY1s84s3eo1_1280.jpg
16:31:46 ozbot: Stripe: Bitcoin
16:31:50 Mats_cd03: mmm looks like california
16:32:18 xdotcommer: is there a way to streamline web of trust to the browser or its IRC only?
16:32:38 mircea_popescu: xdotcommer what are you trying to do ?
16:32:38 Mats_cd03: what?
16:32:55 mircea_popescu: mike_c https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=536511.msg5917607#msg5917607
16:32:57 mircea_popescu: it's been replaced.
16:33:28 benkay: ;;gettrust mircea_popescu
16:33:35 benkay: xdotcommer: there's already internet.
16:33:38 benkay: make a form.
16:33:45 benkay: have it post to irc
16:33:47 benkay: ain't that hard
16:33:48 xdotcommer: market place (ebay) using same gpg
16:34:30 xdotcommer: looks like it wont be too hard
16:34:36 benkay: ron gilad
16:34:53 the20year3: I'm publishing the announcement shortly, but RentalStarter will be acquiring CryptoREI and thus add a North Carolina branch to our business.
16:34:53 benkay: seventies art is cool again?
16:35:12 xdotcommer: benkay: is that a portland artist of some sort?
16:35:21 dexX7: benkay: webform posting to irc.. sounds fishy
16:35:26 the20year3: We will also begin our 2nd tranche on Monday the 31st at .0075btc/share.
16:35:32 benkay: wait a sec let me google that for you xdotcommer
16:35:34 dexX7: but very related: www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEmO7wQKCMw
16:36:06 mike_c: good thing they opened up new TLDs or these cryptoexchanges would have run out of doman names by now.
16:36:36 bounce: veryexchange.sexy
16:36:39 mircea_popescu: the20year3 that should be interesting.
16:37:00 the20year3: I think so
16:37:11 benkay: xdotcommer: still need help with google?
16:37:22 VanCleef: how will u sell them at 0075?
16:37:27 mircea_popescu: ideally publish it as something readable, btw.
16:37:33 benkay: anyways, new york, like most good artists.
16:37:37 VanCleef: you will buy up the 0.005's?
16:37:48 benkay: oh you found it!
16:37:50 benkay: good for you.
16:38:44 VanCleef: the20year3
16:39:27 the20year3: ?
16:39:37 the20year3: VanCleef: i should, but i have no BTC in HL
16:40:03 benkay: !t h rent
16:40:15 VanCleef: hmmm so how will you be able to sell at 0,0075?
16:40:32 benkay: you're going to sell more for .0075 when they're already on the market for 0.0053?
16:40:46 the20year3: HL will automatically suspend all buy orders under .0075, so all buys have to go in at .0075
16:40:51 benkay: WHAT
16:40:54 mircea_popescu: wait what ?!
16:40:57 benkay: haha
16:41:02 benkay: you've done it now, boyo
16:41:02 VanCleef: WHAT?!
16:41:03 the20year3: That's what HL does on all future rounds
16:41:06 mircea_popescu: obviously someone that owns shares can sell at any price they want.
16:41:06 pankkake: usual havelock practice yes
16:41:13 the20year3: They did it with PETA
16:41:21 mircea_popescu: but it's... fraudulent ?
16:41:31 the20year3: according to the policies on HL's site?
16:41:35 pankkake: did it with CBTC too
16:41:42 benkay: does this not strike you as a gross breach of free market principles, the20year3 ?
16:42:00 the20year3: Would it be free market if i went in and bought up all the shares below .0075?
16:42:04 benkay: yes.
16:42:11 the20year3: maybe i should do that then
16:42:24 benkay: too bad you don't have the cash.
16:42:38 mircea_popescu: but wait. someone buys some shares
16:42:38 benkay: ;;gettrust the20year3
16:42:43 mircea_popescu: and then they're not allowed to sell them anymore ?
16:42:45 benkay: ;;gettrust the20year
16:42:51 mircea_popescu: what sort of nonsense is this ?
16:42:55 Mats_cd03: lol
16:43:03 the20year3: As per my understanding they can sell after the 2nd round finishes, the same deal with the 1st round
16:43:08 benkay: once again, never do business outside the wot
16:43:10 mircea_popescu: i mean it's like a spiral of web scammy for that place.
16:43:11 Mats_cd03: does this sort of thing even have a name?
16:43:18 benkay: holy fuck monsters
16:43:20 mircea_popescu: the20year3 but the round can last indefinitely.
16:43:24 benkay: you people have no conscience.
16:43:34 mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 yeah, "internet fraud" basically.
16:44:06 asciilifeform: does this sort of thing even have a name << chumpatron.
16:44:07 the20year3: I don't think they're allowed to have an indefinite 2nd round, from my understanding we were required to have a set 2nd round
16:44:13 the20year3: Otherwise the fund becomes illiquid
16:44:16 Mats_cd03: oh, i thought there might be a flighty finance term
16:44:30 Mats_cd03: im also baked out of my mind on pure gold
16:44:30 pankkake: can't you simply put a sell order of new shares?
16:44:33 mircea_popescu: the20year3 at any point you may seriously consider your involvement in this scheme may actually result in criminal charges.
16:45:06 Apocalyptic: pankkake, one does not simply sell shares on havelock
16:45:09 mircea_popescu: topace is nutty enough to imagine he's going to escape through some fraudulent sale to a panama front,
16:45:19 the20year3: what do you mean pankkake
16:45:24 mircea_popescu: but you should be somewhat more responsible, seeing how you're tied down to real estate.
16:45:53 pankkake: I mean do your second round on the open market, not on havelock special IPO feature
16:46:20 the20year3: That's a possibility too
16:46:29 mircea_popescu: pankkake well other than it'll likely never generate any capital, it would resolve the problem yes.
16:46:44 topace: im not sure where you are getting this information
16:46:47 topace: but it is not correct
16:47:11 mircea_popescu: the general fate to people telling me my information is not correct is aptly represented by one trendon shavers.
16:47:54 topace: [12:40:35] <the20year3> HL will automatically suspend all buy orders under .0075, so all buys have to go in at .0075
16:47:57 topace: ^ is what i was referring to
16:48:06 topace: the platform does not suspend orders below certain thresholds
16:48:09 the20year3: I may be wrong then
16:48:14 CheckDavid: You guys trade stocks of companies on these exchanges right with or without the need for personal identification?
16:48:23 mike_c: so enlighten us, how does a 2nd round ipo at a higher price than the market price work?
16:48:23 mircea_popescu: "They did it with PETA" " did it with CBTC too" ?
16:48:24 benkay: the20year3: it is staggering that you don't understand your own issuances.
16:48:28 mircea_popescu: seemed uncontroversial.
16:48:35 the20year3: RS is based primarily on USD and not BTC
16:48:38 benkay: topace: how is this next round at 0.0075 working?
16:48:48 the20year3: USD price is the same at .0075 as it was when we did the last round at .0055
16:48:50 benkay: it's popcorn week!
16:49:01 asciilifeform: what is 'rental starter' co. anyway
16:49:01 mircea_popescu: benkay he's unrepresented, basically. doesn't have an ib/underwriter/anything.
16:49:02 topace: next round of what ?
16:49:12 benkay: mircea_popescu: i know.
16:49:13 topace: (remember, im no longer involved in running the exchange)
16:49:20 VanCleef: my penis just got a bit hard
16:49:30 the20year3: how so VanCleef?
16:49:33 benkay: well then how can you make any claims about what can or cannot happen on the exchange, topace?
16:49:37 mike_c: next "tranche" of RENT shares is going to be sold at 75, but market price is 53.
16:49:45 topace: because i wrote the code
16:49:53 benkay: and it couldn't possible have changed
16:49:54 *: VanCleef gives it a flick
16:49:54 topace: there's no "you cant place orders below 0.0075 in the code"
16:50:09 benkay: possibly.
16:50:35 mike_c: so what, the block of shares is just released at the same time that open market trading continues?
16:50:37 benkay: wd
16:50:53 benkay: massive sell wall at 0.0075 that never gets eaten?
16:51:11 mircea_popescu: benkay well, maybe it does get eaten eventually.
16:51:13 Mats_cd03: i am not aroused mircea_popescu
16:51:16 mircea_popescu: likely not right now
16:51:33 the20year3: I don't think they can put in an indefinite sell wall , and at any rate there's no reason for us to fundraise past $1.5m USD
16:51:34 topace: im sorry i can only comment on what i see on the site, i dont see a new tranche?
16:51:43 benkay: mircea_popescu: explain it like i'm at least twelve
16:51:45 the20year3: It's starting Monday around noon
16:52:01 mike_c: asciilifeform: https://www.havelockinvestments.com/fund.php?symbol=RENT they buy houses in ohio and rent them out.
16:52:10 benkay: topace: you can't make any claims about the code they're running if you can't make any claims about the code they're running.
16:52:24 mircea_popescu: benkay dat ambiguous status.
16:52:55 benkay: the bet would be does the wall get eaten or rentalstarter fall apart first
16:53:02 benkay: fall apart/delist/get indicted
16:53:38 benkay: who knows - maybe there's three more months of going short btc via rent
16:55:32 mircea_popescu: kind-of a pity in that a well managed business on those lines makes some sense.
16:55:36 VanCleef: anyone heard fromsfi lately?
16:55:39 VanCleef: sfi
16:55:47 VanCleef: or didthey just do a runner?
16:56:40 benkay: the20year3: do please explain precisely how this new tranche is working
16:56:46 benkay: bring an underwriter or someone who understands
16:58:14 mircea_popescu: VanCleef i have no idea, were they due a report or something ?
16:59:49 mike_c: ^ heh. "rent shares rose on news that they will soon be forced to be worth 0.0075 btc"
16:59:57 asciilifeform: mike_c: if only this existed in my town (and, run by something other than scammers)
17:00:07 VanCleef: i dont know just haven't heard from them since
17:00:51 mike_c: asciilifeform: well, no strong indications that it is run by scammers. just that they don't understand their relationship with havelock very well..
17:00:52 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform apparently ohio or w/e this one is has very advantageous economics for this business
17:01:12 benkay: they're crossing the wires though
17:01:19 mircea_popescu: which incidentally begs the question, why a merger with someone in a diff market ? does it benefit from equally good economics ?
17:01:23 benkay: cannot touch both fiat and crypto at once
17:01:26 asciilifeform: has very advantageous economics for this << how's that
17:01:32 VanCleef: i think he should just sell the shares for 0.008 instead
17:01:42 mircea_popescu: much of rent is predicated on its operator familiarirt with the field, that doesn't seem to translate too well across a geographic distance
17:01:49 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform very low land values / high rents.
17:02:22 asciilifeform: quite the same here. and yet, i've been trying and failing to rent a house for ages.
17:02:54 mircea_popescu: its been discussed in teh at some point coupla months ago, i don't recall the specifics
17:03:05 asciilifeform: to be fair, it is a little bit from the peculiar conditions where i live. most of the rentals are geared for students, and are gigantic, divided into rooms.
17:04:38 ThickAsThieves: <the20year3> HL will automatically suspend all buy orders under .0075, so all buys have to go in at .0075 //// dafuck?
17:04:47 VanCleef: woohoo
17:04:50 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves do they actually do this as ppl claim or not ?
17:04:51 VanCleef: buy now
17:04:52 benkay: welcome to this morning, ThickAsThieves
17:04:58 ThickAsThieves: i dont think it can be done
17:05:03 ThickAsThieves: more likely,
17:05:15 ThickAsThieves: is the tranche will be sold through "IPO" feature
17:05:26 ThickAsThieves: where there is no orderbook
17:05:29 mike_c: topace said it can't, but also that he isn't involved so he doesn't know.
17:05:35 Mats_cd03: i think the confusion here lays with the recent depreciation of btc/usd and the capital RS actually needs to be denominated in usd
17:05:39 ThickAsThieves: now if HL shuts down normal trading during that...
17:05:50 asciilifeform: in the u.s. in general, people with money (but not quite a 'fortune') who want to rent something nice vs. playing debt games, are a bit of an under-served market.
17:05:51 ThickAsThieves: that would effectively recreate the situation you are going for
17:06:02 ThickAsThieves: but it's a fucked up proposition
17:06:37 benkay: no shit
17:06:44 ThickAsThieves: i see no reason to disrupt the live orderbook
17:06:50 ThickAsThieves: it's listed, it's live
17:06:55 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i suspect that ties into my "dual currency" earlier :
17:07:06 mircea_popescu: people with money, actual money, are underserved because not part of bezzle.
17:07:28 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i can see some reasons...
17:07:47 ThickAsThieves: well...
17:07:59 benkay: IT'S ALL A SCAM
17:08:03 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'm paid in perfectly ordinary u.s. bezzlars
17:08:18 KRS-One: heh
17:08:40 VanCleef: 3 chinese bitcoiners were executed today
17:08:48 benkay: link, VanCleef ?
17:09:04 VanCleef: jokes
17:09:10 KRS-One: lies
17:09:10 benkay: ;;ticker
17:09:19 VanCleef: thenext china rumor ;)
17:09:24 benkay: bitstamp's running fractional too, right?
17:09:34 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sure you are, because they CLAIOM to be convertible
17:09:40 mircea_popescu: just as long as not too many are converted.
17:09:40 ThickAsThieves: didnt they do an 'audit'?
17:09:49 benkay: audit my butthole
17:09:55 benkay: ;;google bitstamp audit
17:09:56 asciilifeform: well i did say bezzlars.
17:10:14 mircea_popescu: speaking of turkeys in new york : "ground turkey meat, was $2 for 20 oz. 2.5 years ago on sale ; it's $4.50 for 20 oz. on sale now."
17:10:35 Mats_cd03: turkey: the inferior chicken
17:10:37 benkay: firestartr are some no-names, iirc ThickAsThieves
17:10:47 mircea_popescu: ;;calc 2.25 ** (1/30)
17:10:54 mircea_popescu: 2.8% inflation. PER MONTH
17:11:00 tg2: turkey index
17:11:14 tg2: turkeys are a... growth market
17:11:17 asciilifeform: incidentally, nothing (at least, at present time) stops an owner of XXXX bezzlars from driving to a precious metals seller and filling as many buckets as he can afford.
17:11:28 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform as long as he buys... paper gold.
17:11:31 mircea_popescu: ie, goldzzars.
17:11:35 Mats_cd03: i still have 2 frozen turkeys from thanksgiving
17:11:41 asciilifeform: they don't sell this in shops around here
17:11:47 asciilifeform: mostly numismatic coin
17:11:49 mircea_popescu: try taking 100k out of your savings, buying gold bricks and driving them to mexico.
17:11:56 Mats_cd03: ever deep fry a turkey? its godly
17:12:17 mircea_popescu: what was that shop that'd deep fry anything ? butter, water, icecream
17:12:40 Mats_cd03: youve piqued my curiousity
17:12:50 tg2: mmm deep fried butter
17:12:52 tg2: lol
17:12:57 tg2: #justamericanthings
17:14:00 ozbot: BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment
17:14:08 mircea_popescu: and the 1year berkshire based btc bond just went to 3%
17:14:22 mircea_popescu: well... 2.81%
17:15:03 ThickAsThieves: it'll probly get to 30%+ i bet
17:15:11 ThickAsThieves: heh, can you make bets on bets?
17:15:33 mircea_popescu: we tried yest but it didn't stick
17:15:39 nubbins`: ^
17:15:59 Mats_cd03: when i was 8 a family friend told me peanut butter was a preservative and i could live forever if i ate enough of it at once
17:16:09 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Deep frying anything is more of a State Fair schtick
17:16:17 VanCleef: could someone help me word a bet on bitbet so its allowed?
17:16:32 ThickAsThieves: one day mp will owe me a favor, and Schrodinger's BitBet will happen
17:16:47 ThickAsThieves: ok probly not
17:16:50 mircea_popescu: lol
17:16:51 ThickAsThieves: but i can dream
17:16:53 Mats_cd03: the next day i woke up early and had an XL jar of skippys...i temporarily replaced blood with peanut butter for a few hours
17:16:54 VanCleef: i want to bet that Australia wont win one single group match for the fifa world cup
17:16:58 mircea_popescu: VanCleef sure, why not
17:17:29 mircea_popescu: is this tracked anywhere ?
17:18:04 VanCleef: i'm sure fifa.com keep scores on their website
17:18:25 mircea_popescu: can you list the matches ?
17:18:40 VanCleef: i can list who else is in the group
17:18:45 mircea_popescu: generally, you want the bet well specified.
17:18:53 mircea_popescu: "x y z will happen, here's the link to it measured"
17:19:01 TestingUnoDosTre: MP, I tried making a bet on 3M that was worded very similar to the berkshire one, and the mods rejected it because it was outlandish
17:19:40 VanCleef: ahh ok
17:19:44 VanCleef: so more details teh better
17:19:47 mircea_popescu: TestingUnoDosTre i vaguely recall some discusison re a 3m bet a month or so ago, was this the same one ?
17:20:19 TestingUnoDosTre: yes. the bet was stated that the ratio of MMM to BTC would stay above .2 until may or something of the sort
17:20:30 CheckDavid: Which platform do you suggest to fund a startup?
17:20:34 TestingUnoDosTre: or at the end of may
17:20:35 mircea_popescu: did it carry ~1k btc in zeroconf ?
17:20:37 benkay: !t h rent
17:21:02 TestingUnoDosTre: lol of course not, but the berkshire bet didn't start out with 1k btc
17:21:07 ThickAsThieves: the 3M was discussed already no need to rehash
17:21:10 ThickAsThieves: bet*
17:21:12 mircea_popescu: TestingUnoDosTre course it did.
17:21:13 TestingUnoDosTre: fine fine fine
17:21:32 ThickAsThieves: pull the log and read it again if you want re-experience it
17:21:40 mircea_popescu: anyway, my car is here so we'll have to continue later!