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00:00:24 mircea_popescu: back to the usg-tb thing : people like a congressman or an ex ciadirector are very poor examples, because a key part of the cure is maintaining very hard counter-terrorism measures on the ground. no colby, owens, petreus etc ever said "you will have to shoot me, and expect to fail unless you bring armored units, and to lose a score of operatives in any case."

00:00:35 asciilifeform: and they will have every living thing that reads reddit convinced that they invented it, too.

00:01:04 mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mod6 ben_vulpes think a <27mb bitcoin could be ? << the current statically linked bitcoind is 5.6mb is that what you mean?

00:01:27 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they will, to ~their detriment~. i'm not sure this is getting through, or that im doing a good job of explaining it, but in fact such victories are more expensive than the respective defeats they supposedly keep one from.

00:01:35 mircea_popescu: mod6 that's what i mean.

00:01:48 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i must confess that it is rather unclear to me where the detriment is coming from.

00:02:04 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ok, prepare for a lengthy explanation then.

00:02:04 asciilifeform: if tomorrow a white van picks up the remaining 5000 (?) pogos, how do 'we win' ?

00:02:08 *: asciilifeform prepared

00:02:14 mircea_popescu: suppose you are in a room, with women. there's 100 of them.

00:02:50 mircea_popescu: they're all naked and dripping. suppose that someone for whatever stupid reason does not want you to fuck, because they imagine this is how you don't get to kill them.

00:03:05 mircea_popescu: now, the reason this is stupid, on multiple planes, we won't dsiscuss here, for space.

00:03:29 mircea_popescu: BUT! if the solution they come up with is to make an artefact which convinces 99% of the women sorted by stupidity that they shouldn't fuck you,

00:03:42 mircea_popescu: while also providing sufficient proof for 1% that in fact someone's trying to interfere

00:03:50 mircea_popescu: this artefact is actually your best bet.

00:03:58 mircea_popescu: that make sense ?

00:04:05 asciilifeform: it almost begins to

00:04:19 mod6: huh, the statically linked binary is between 5.6 and 5.2mb. On my x86_64 builds it was often around 5.6mb. i just pulled up my paste from the debian x86_32 bit build (http://dpaste.com/1YQR1W7), here's 5.2mb. and yesterday on gentoo x86_32 it was 5.6mb.

00:04:22 mircea_popescu: so, filling reddit with apparently correct but actually provably falsifiable nonsense is not something that concerns me.

00:04:24 asciilifeform: but as i understand, it resolves to 'they have lost the mandate of heaven, will be defeated eventually'

00:04:24 mircea_popescu: it HELPS me.

00:04:32 mircea_popescu: one direction, yes.

00:04:44 mircea_popescu: the other direction being that you DO NOT WISH the attenntion of most of those women.

00:04:46 mircea_popescu: some smell bad.

00:04:47 mircea_popescu: some are ugly.

00:04:56 mircea_popescu: NOT having to turn them down personally is empowering for you.

00:04:57 asciilifeform: the nonsense on reddit does nothing - granted

00:05:01 asciilifeform: but let's address the van.

00:05:06 mircea_popescu: imagine a device that kept paul atreides from having to fight all the idiot freemen.

00:05:09 mircea_popescu: WORTH GOLD

00:05:12 asciilifeform: l0l

00:05:25 mircea_popescu: and there's more directions.

00:05:38 mircea_popescu: as to van : people like a congressman or an ex ciadirector are very poor examples, because a key part of the cure is maintaining very hard counter-terrorism measures on the ground. no colby, owens, petreus etc ever said "you will have to shoot me, and expect to fail unless you bring armored units, and to lose a score of operatives in any case."

00:05:52 asciilifeform: say van picks'em up. this gives us no useful 'smoking gun' beyond 'sorry chaps, they all sold out last night. no, can't tell ya who bought'

00:06:08 mircea_popescu: people who go "sure, whatever. make sure you have good AP and check the vests" are not the target of this sort of bs.

00:07:20 mircea_popescu: the weird thing about the situaiton of usg particularly, and of usg-likes (ie, most cancer) is that "everything is only intended to be used in the situations it wasn't designed to be used".

00:07:34 mircea_popescu: air superiority not useful in air engagement, but in political engagement sort of bs.

00:07:50 mircea_popescu: if air superiority comes to air engagement, walks away with so many broken arms it's not worth thinking about.

00:08:36 mircea_popescu: this is why all the ridiculous military failures of the us since vietnam : it built an army which is only useful as an army if NOT fighting.

00:08:55 asciilifeform: it is also, apparently, quite useful for rocketing unarmed men in their sleep

00:09:08 asciilifeform: and occupation of own cities (see boston)

00:09:19 asciilifeform: and many other interesting things which have yet to be demoed

00:09:29 mircea_popescu: sorta like a parade army. exactly what the italians had, right before the risorgimento.

00:09:44 mircea_popescu: right, but none of which are what an army is actually for.

00:09:54 mircea_popescu: the us army makes excellent police and screwdrivers. bully for it.

00:10:13 asciilifeform: the equipment (and selected men) steadily gets transfered to police (soon to be unified gendarmerie) forces

00:10:27 asciilifeform: who are actually trained for the kind of thing that it's all ultimately for

00:10:29 mircea_popescu: if your crazy genius lab consisted of shitty hot tweezers that made good sandwiches and very bad vacuum pumps that sang a capella i'd think you're uniquely ineffectual.

00:10:30 asciilifeform: see BingoBoingo's link

00:11:31 mircea_popescu: and if THAT were your lab, i wouldn't particularly be persuaded by "no tb cure could exist" type of arguments.

00:11:52 mircea_popescu: because what, if it did exist you'd lunge at it with your waffle making hot tweezers ?

00:12:03 asciilifeform: so, running with this line of thought, what might we expect 'the cure' to look like?

00:12:29 mircea_popescu: this, incidentally, is ALSO not controversial - virtually half of all material prepared by the bureaucracy states in one form or another that they're "not prepared for this type of challenge"

00:12:38 mircea_popescu: it's true : they haven't yet made a thing for something else to use for this.

00:13:13 mircea_popescu: the cure looks very much like you'd imagine : strong encryption, strong (mental especially) discipline, minimal fortification along the riverline.

00:14:20 mircea_popescu: as long as it's clear to the da that a court showdown will end his career, you're practically unprosecutable, no matter what you do. as long as it's clear to "special ops" that there will be deaths, you're un-opable, no matter what you do. etc etc.

00:14:34 mircea_popescu: the entire construction has very speciffic dead points, and they're anything but secret.

00:15:35 mircea_popescu: swedish military doctrine, notably, is constructed around the core concept that they do not aim to defend the country, they aim to make invasion economically unfeasible. that is all.

00:16:01 asciilifeform: as long as it's clear to "special ops" that there will be deaths << this is possible if living in a bunker

00:16:09 mircea_popescu: this does not work against ideologically motivated adversaries, but it works against bureaucracies something splendid. there's always another fire to put out.

00:16:18 asciilifeform: if ambling about the terrain going to/from day jobs, etc. - they just quietly pick you up

00:16:26 asciilifeform: what is one to do, wear trotyl vest ?

00:16:27 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, this is possible if maintaining decent op security.

00:16:40 mircea_popescu: yes, if you must do that, wear vest might work.

00:17:13 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: make invasion economically unfeasible << you may be thinking of the swiss

00:17:19 mircea_popescu: but for as long as the "how do they know it's not really an ambush ?" question has an obvious and correct answer, you already failed.

00:17:35 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform afaik swiss defend themselves by "neutrality"

00:17:49 asciilifeform: not exactly.

00:18:15 mircea_popescu: they installed a bunch of autobatteries and shitnow ? /me's not been keeping up.

00:18:26 asciilifeform: spent quite a bit during cold war

00:18:29 asciilifeform: not sure about now

00:18:33 asciilifeform: and trained decently.

00:20:56 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> if ambling about the terrain going to/from day jobs, etc. - they just quietly pick you up << a ro guy famously caught a coupla "secret agents" tailing him in traffic, beat them up (romanian tradition) took them to police station.

00:21:01 mircea_popescu: huge scandal ensued.

00:21:23 asciilifeform: http://cs.brown.edu/~sk/Personal/Books/McPhee-Place-Concorde-Suisse << book

00:21:30 asciilifeform: on .ch army org

00:21:33 asciilifeform: ^ pretty good

00:21:58 mircea_popescu: cost teh ro govt millions to try and wash it up, eventually was more or less forgotten. but finding agents willing to tail that guy was difficult for years after.

00:22:04 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that'd work about as well here as it would in peak nazi de

00:22:11 mircea_popescu: it would work splendidly.

00:22:16 asciilifeform: they'd demolish the street where you stood.

00:22:18 mircea_popescu: good.

00:22:24 mircea_popescu: there's going to be a demolished street bearing your name.

00:22:26 asciilifeform: we in fact saw this play out

00:22:28 asciilifeform: in boston

00:22:36 mircea_popescu: exactly.

00:22:41 asciilifeform: and what result ?

00:22:55 mircea_popescu: major losses for teh usg.

00:23:01 asciilifeform: i dun see it.

00:23:07 mircea_popescu: maybe our optics differ.

00:23:13 asciilifeform: they evidently must

00:23:34 mircea_popescu: maybe it's because you're trying to use some sort of subjective scoring it occurs to me

00:23:46 mircea_popescu: ie, "what the participant thinks happens matters".

00:23:52 asciilifeform: not exactly

00:23:59 mircea_popescu: so in this sense, a junkie managing to score a hit is in fact +ev.

00:24:05 mircea_popescu: he will act as if he is, yes. but... he's not.

00:24:13 asciilifeform: say i'm a generic schmuck living in berlin in march, this day in '43

00:24:16 trinque: isn't the demolished street only helpful if there are onlookers who care?

00:24:22 asciilifeform: it looks mostly normal

00:24:26 mircea_popescu: trinque no. the street was in fact demolished.

00:24:27 asciilifeform: but stalingrad happened

00:24:30 asciilifeform: show me the stalingrad

00:24:36 trinque: mircea_popescu: right, but I recall joe stack day

00:24:46 trinque: and the ratio of people reacting sanely to not

00:24:47 mircea_popescu: trinque good for you. not particularly relevant to him.

00:24:52 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dun follow.

00:24:59 trinque: maybe the ratio's irrelevant

00:25:03 asciilifeform: where are the -real- cracks in the reich

00:25:10 mircea_popescu: they had to demolish a street ?

00:25:43 asciilifeform: and what, they are to go broke from paving a street?

00:25:44 mircea_popescu: i can trivially send pizza to the "secret" subsecretary of state for whatever, and he's stuck wondering how i know ?

00:25:49 mircea_popescu: yes, actually.

00:26:21 asciilifeform: the damage from tsarnavev & tsarnaev was roughly comparable to a small 'pile up' wreck on the highway.

00:26:25 asciilifeform: not even rounding error.

00:26:26 mircea_popescu: there is no undertaking more expensive than that pavement job.

00:26:48 asciilifeform: so perhaps 'demolished a street' is exaggerated

00:26:58 mircea_popescu: i disagree.

00:27:29 mircea_popescu: let's take the cheapest way out. familiar wit hthe guy whose name history has lost (:P) that set fire to the whatever so his name may be remembered ?

00:27:39 asciilifeform: herostratus aha

00:27:45 asciilifeform: that worked once.

00:27:48 asciilifeform: (exactly once)

00:27:55 mircea_popescu: familiar with the (afaik also uncontroversial) theory that the us is a nation of narcisists ?

00:28:01 asciilifeform: aha

00:28:13 mircea_popescu: does it seem to you a reasonable plan to demolish streets in this atmosphere ?

00:28:30 asciilifeform: sure, when you're working with -cowardly- and -imbecilic- narcissists

00:28:36 mircea_popescu: you think that matters ?

00:28:41 trinque: seems easy to convince the narcissist it's "not him"

00:28:44 trinque: would never be him

00:28:49 trinque: because he's not one of "those people"

00:28:52 asciilifeform: who take three steps and (fail to) blow (themselves) up with a (fake) rocket sold to them by usg.

00:29:06 mircea_popescu: trinque understand something : if one million people becomes 1% more likely to lie on their taxes,

00:29:13 mircea_popescu: the government has lost 3-4% of its revenue.

00:29:13 asciilifeform: because 'friend of 30 years' vouched for the broker

00:29:46 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you're neglecting the only important thing here, which is the actual fine points of the relationship between the abused wife and her husband.

00:29:50 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: eh no. they take it out of the captive tax cows - sales, shrinkflation, outright moneyprinter

00:29:58 mircea_popescu: that does not work.

00:30:05 mircea_popescu: for a government to survive, it must actually have support.

00:30:18 asciilifeform: rock solid support from the cattle

00:30:25 trinque: mircea_popescu: there are militia groups around calling themselves "three percenters"

00:30:25 mircea_popescu: the fake shows of support (you are charlie, really ?) do not help.

00:30:27 trinque: that kind of thing?

00:30:38 mircea_popescu: trinque no particular kind of thing.

00:30:47 asciilifeform: trinque: the 'militia' thing is solid usg provocateurism from day one

00:30:56 asciilifeform: trinque: judging by the results

00:30:56 mircea_popescu: if anyone is curious enough, please to read the gorbachev diaries after his 87 visit in romania.

00:31:13 mircea_popescu: very short story here : ceausescu made old style, stalinist-like show of how supported he is

00:31:25 mircea_popescu: trying to finesse himself into a senior adviser role for gorby

00:31:30 mircea_popescu: this amused the russian to no end.

00:32:49 mircea_popescu: but that aside, it all boils down to the ancient (here and iirc on fraudsters too) "what's the devil have to pay you to love him" thing.

00:33:01 asciilifeform: the sovblok fell down with nato holding a seemingly soft (in reality not so much) cushion under its arse as it fell

00:33:12 asciilifeform: nobody is playing that role for usg

00:33:19 mircea_popescu: aha

00:33:22 asciilifeform: the buggers know that 'it'll be their necks'

00:33:29 asciilifeform: in the way that gorby didn't

00:33:30 mircea_popescu: what does their knowledge matter ?

00:33:33 mircea_popescu: they know they suck, now.

00:33:37 mircea_popescu: what can they do ?

00:33:49 mircea_popescu: take a simple thing : they all know ms is shit.

00:33:53 mircea_popescu: what can any one do to fix this ?

00:33:59 mircea_popescu: still using it.

00:34:03 mircea_popescu: still shit.

00:34:10 mircea_popescu: and i can send them pizza, and they have to wonder how i know.

00:34:18 mircea_popescu: and they go to work... and there it is. MICROSOFT BOOTING NAO.

00:34:22 mircea_popescu: and yet... what can they do ?

00:34:36 asciilifeform: it 'works' for them in the sense that no nsa-crypto directorate leaks. no meaningful cia leaks. perhaps they use 'underwood' typewriters instead of microshit ?

00:34:42 mircea_popescu: part of a system is part of a system is part of a system.

00:34:42 asciilifeform: damned if i know. but it 'works'

00:34:58 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if it didn't how'd you know ?

00:35:11 mircea_popescu: the german public didn't know about the enigma leaks.

00:35:19 asciilifeform: if it didn't in the same sense of 'didn't' as elsewhere in usg, i would know

00:35:21 asciilifeform: or at least suspect

00:35:45 mircea_popescu: the fact that you don't is perhaps one of the most perplexing characteristics of your otherwise amply perplexing persona.

00:35:56 mircea_popescu: at least in my head.

00:36:00 asciilifeform: that don't what

00:36:05 *: asciilifeform even more confused

00:36:05 mircea_popescu: at least suspect.

00:36:14 asciilifeform: well admittedly, i suspect many things

00:36:19 mircea_popescu: but not this ?

00:36:24 asciilifeform: but some with better grounding than others

00:36:51 asciilifeform: let's say herr buffet's winblows machine, where he keeps tabs with his lizard commander, was owned.

00:37:03 mircea_popescu: but this strawman is in no case how it'd work is it.

00:37:18 asciilifeform: there is not a public display of this. ergo 'pwner' did not see it fit to do this.

00:37:23 mircea_popescu: uh.

00:37:26 mircea_popescu: let's have a better model.

00:37:43 nubbins`: re: field pogos

00:37:54 asciilifeform: nubbins`: aha?

00:38:05 nubbins`: what's the LED gonna do for two weeks while the thing downloads and indexes blocks? 8)

00:38:10 asciilifeform: nubbins`: blink.

00:38:40 trinque: not trying to derail what's an excellent convo without me; is for example the ease with which us politicians are bought by *any* paying interest relevant here?

00:38:44 nubbins`: but that's what a bricked pogo does as well

00:39:11 asciilifeform: nubbins`: that's because u-boot sets it a'blinking by default

00:39:14 asciilifeform: nubbins`: easily fixed

00:39:20 nubbins`: a-haa

00:39:21 trinque: seems the whole military side can't be considered in absence of the side which can't form one coherent thought

00:39:28 nubbins`: i'm just musing about indications of progress

00:39:38 nubbins`: a blink isn't communicating much

00:39:41 trinque: what admittedly worries me is an event where the military side detaches from the braindead side entirely

00:39:45 trinque: not sure what happens after that

00:39:50 mircea_popescu: so, i am a famously grandiose master of women. and a junior girl aspiring one day to the grandiose status of being my slave goes with me and some of the girls to the opera. lights go off, the girls take off their tops all matter-of-course like. she follows suit. why ? and then, afterwards, we discuss it over coffee and cookies. they are enamoured with it. so is she. why ? her "tabs" haven't been leaked, right ? what if

00:39:51 mircea_popescu: the stripping is something we agreed aforehand to do just to see what her reaction is ?

00:39:53 mircea_popescu: better model ^

00:40:39 mircea_popescu: trinque honestly, this is why i believe the arming of police units with military stock is even done. it makes sense from a "after the end" perspective : you want two mostly balanced forces, because that's your best chance at more or less peaceful stability.

00:40:51 trinque: yes exactly that

00:41:00 mircea_popescu: note how it follows quite exactly the cure blueprint discussed above.

00:41:13 jurov: ;;later tell nubbins` key added

00:41:13 gribble: The operation succeeded.

00:41:17 nubbins`: tyvm!

00:42:15 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: really it is done to make the idea of meaningful (as opposed to merely suicidal; so they hose off the pavement & everybody goes back to work) resistance less and less thinkable

00:42:32 asciilifeform: that robot was publicly displayed for a reason

00:42:41 mircea_popescu: i have mydoubts.

00:42:42 *: nubbins` sends mail, crosses digits

00:42:55 mircea_popescu: the notion that "sucidal resistence" is deterring anyone has had so much debunking recently...

00:43:09 nubbins`: ehh they used the robot because enough of the cops were scared enough

00:43:13 mircea_popescu: ^

00:43:18 mircea_popescu: it sends exactly the opposite message.

00:43:23 nubbins`: there's this famous guy here, leo crockwell. put a gun to his sister's head a few years ago

00:43:27 mircea_popescu: we discussed some time ago the problem with decimation, re shot cops.

00:43:35 nubbins`: cops, having dealt with (and been embarassed by) the guy in the past, descend

00:43:44 nubbins`: he barricades self, cops bring out robot.

00:43:48 asciilifeform: the robot is a logical step to the escalation of usg police practice

00:43:57 asciilifeform: used to be they'd politely ask you to come to the station

00:44:08 asciilifeform: today, breaking down door at 3am and barrel in your mouth is NORMAL

00:44:09 mircea_popescu: just like the cataphract is a logical step to the escalation of ... THE END OF FEUDALISM!

00:44:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35725 @ 0.00025621 = 9.1531 BTC [+]

00:44:31 jurov: nubbins`: gpg: invalid dash escaped line: -Wno-invalid-offsetof -Wformat $(DEBUGFLAGS) $(DEFS) $(INCLUDEPATHS)\n

00:44:33 jurov: gpg: BAD signature from "Jonathan E. Keefe <jonkeefe@gmail.com>" [unknown]

00:44:35 nubbins`: he shoots at robot, cops try smoke bombs, then thousands of gallons of water from fire hoses (!!!)

00:44:48 nubbins`: guy escapes out window during a shift change and hitchhikes back to town undetected.

00:44:52 mircea_popescu: ahahahaha

00:44:54 nubbins`: picked up buying smokes 3 hours later.

00:44:58 mircea_popescu: shift changes :D

00:45:02 jurov: looks like outlook wordwrapped or otherwise mutilated it

00:45:17 nubbins`: jurov gmail but same fate regardless. sec

00:45:22 asciilifeform: ^

00:45:42 nubbins`: there you go

00:45:55 nubbins`: anyway the guy then fires like 5 public defenders, goes on to represent himself

00:46:05 nubbins`: makes the province spend countless tens of thousands

00:46:14 nubbins`: i think they're making a movie about him now.

00:46:19 jurov: same error.

00:46:28 nubbins`: wat! "plain text mode"

00:46:44 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform let's approach this in perhaps a more comprehensible set of terms. end of the world situation, you're behind a wall of sand sacks, enemy behind another. you got two guys left with you, was a full regiment at some point. enemy, unknown.

00:47:09 mircea_popescu: that the enemy starts suddenly firing like mad is not indicative of his strength. for one thing, bullets are scarce. for the other thing, fear is the end of this game.

00:47:43 jurov: nubbins`: a) send to yourself, check. b) leave text aempty and attach known good clearsigned stuff as .txt

00:48:33 asciilifeform: i don't see the fear component here

00:48:40 mircea_popescu: or in another approach, "asciilifeform:'The laughable CIA story we are asked to swallow, is that the US regime is doing zero against Omidyar, " << we are similarly asked to believe the cia story that the us is doing zero against saudi arabia, which... you know ? or whoever else off a long list. they're not doing zero, they're doing "their best", which is what it is.

00:48:46 mircea_popescu: oft evaluates to zero.

00:48:52 nubbins`: ooo bad sig, looky loo. sec.

00:49:03 asciilifeform: they aren't rolling out the robots because they fear. but to save cost of a few stormtroopers' life insurance

00:49:06 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you don't see the fear component ? recall teh discussion re buses and the fate of war in afghanistan ?

00:49:19 asciilifeform: and because robot maker (i know exactly who makes it) has an ear in congress

00:49:51 mircea_popescu: these all are the why in the exact sense girl you picked up in a club stiff drunk is havin sex with you because she liked your record collection and loves your hair

00:49:55 nubbins`: yeah gmail is mangling it, even in plain text

00:49:59 mircea_popescu: not because she went to a club and got herself stiff drunk to be fucked.

00:50:19 mircea_popescu: nubbins` check it out, google can't computer!

00:50:28 asciilifeform: and wai wat, omidyar - or at least his money - could be magicked away in a single hour if usg willed it.

00:50:32 mircea_popescu: orly ?

00:50:37 mircea_popescu: at what cost ?

00:50:39 asciilifeform: big fat deal, flip some bits

00:50:44 mircea_popescu: not how this works.

00:50:49 asciilifeform: they do it to russians all the time

00:50:55 nubbins`: jurov sent

00:51:01 mircea_popescu: not quite.

00:51:23 jurov: nubbins`: yup, there

00:52:05 nubbins`: woo

00:52:20 nubbins`: my first contrib

00:52:35 jurov: no shares for ya, sadly

00:52:36 mircea_popescu: cheers!

00:52:47 asciilifeform: congrats nubbins`

00:52:59 nubbins`: lel oops no subject

00:53:01 mircea_popescu: jurov notice the very heavy bias for she-stuff in b-a ? womanly job gets shares, manly job gets bupkiss

00:53:10 nubbins`: w/e, it'll get picked up in the monthly roundup :D

00:53:21 mircea_popescu: !ban nubbins` monsanto shill

00:53:43 nubbins`: noway dude, do you even log? no monsanto in twodogland

00:53:43 asciilifeform: l0l

00:53:56 mircea_popescu: twodog is such a great name.

00:53:59 mircea_popescu: who invented it, herbi ?

00:53:59 BingoBoingo: Two more stories from Stluz today http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/prosecutor-brooklyn-ill-police-mishandled-evidence-and-towed-cars-for/article_09f92780-0e39-5cba-a677-9f02529ab047.html http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/man-whose-death-was-ruled-a-suicide-was-actually-killed/article_a95cfc4a-9f96-5ab3-9f0c-00c105ad3569.html

00:54:09 mircea_popescu: fluffypony ?

00:54:09 mircea_popescu: or was it dub ?

00:54:14 nubbins`: i thought it was you!

00:54:17 nubbins`: !s twodogland

00:54:17 assbot: 4 results for 'twodogland' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=twodogland

00:54:34 nubbins`: wow i really ran with that hey

00:54:54 mircea_popescu: lol

00:55:15 nubbins`: it stays with me

00:55:22 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-09-2014#824310 loller

00:55:22 assbot: Logged on 10-09-2014 13:22:53; mircea_popescu: you mean Two Dogs isn't originally populated by dogs ?

00:55:26 mircea_popescu: but it's such a great name.

00:55:37 nubbins`: heh

00:55:40 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-02-2014#479584 << i think it all started here.

00:55:40 assbot: Logged on 04-02-2014 20:36:16; dub: why is part of canukistan named after two dogs?

00:55:46 nubbins`: ahahaha

00:56:15 nubbins`: "why is this bird made out of KFC?"

00:56:19 mircea_popescu: :D

00:56:40 mircea_popescu: we dub it The Infringer

00:56:49 mircea_popescu: because it naturally infringes the kfc ip.

00:57:08 nubbins`: mcdonald's sues the humble potato after it is revealed it's just a bunch of goddamn fries all stuck together

00:57:15 mircea_popescu: :D

00:57:58 nubbins`: why are all these people spamming the blockchain with bitcoin transactions?

00:58:03 nubbins`: etc

00:58:04 nubbins`: heh

00:58:05 jurov: myeah nubs did the book too "dogs of newfoundland and labrador" or such

00:58:14 mircea_popescu: also coca-cola sues diageo over patent-infringing side effects.

00:58:16 nubbins`: boids, not dogs!

00:58:22 nubbins`: two dogs is a pamphlet at best

00:58:24 mircea_popescu: "it's called CHRISTMAS CHEER GOD DAMNED IT!"

00:58:29 nubbins`: heh

00:59:11 jurov: ;;ud boid

00:59:12 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=boid | Boid is an anagram for the phrase "blacked out in a ditch." The last two letters can be substituted for any number of different things, such as boib or boor (blacked ...

00:59:20 mircea_popescu: jurov it's east side "bird"

00:59:38 nubbins`: wtf urban dict

00:59:45 nubbins`: birds!

00:59:55 jurov: ;;ud boidage

00:59:56 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=boidage | boibian · boible · BOIBO · boi boi · Boibrucer · Boibs · boic · Boice · boicee · boich · boichat · boichie · Boichika · Boichuk · boid · boidage · boidar · boid/boyd ...

00:59:57 mircea_popescu: you know that accent mobsters / kids in poor neighbourhood have in 30s, 40s and some 50s movies ?

01:01:29 mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072601 << i am especially suspicious of this sort of claim. it's essentially a stereotype and an appeal to ignorance rolled into a mcdonald nugget.

01:01:29 assbot: Logged on 26-03-2015 16:14:42; asciilifeform: 'As they say, 'you cannot make these things up', the Americans are so ridiculously obvious as they conduct criminal deceptions. The CIA's 'Watergate' scheme to destroy Richard Nixon 40 years ago, was so successfully with the fake 'brave reporter' Woodward, that the CIA even decided to use Woodward's junior partner as a fake 'brave reporter' along with Greenwald in 'Operation Fake Dissident Snowden'.'

01:01:43 mircea_popescu: "those jews are so obvious! after killing christ, they're now blabla"

01:01:54 asciilifeform: author's style, yes

01:01:57 asciilifeform: but claim - testable

01:02:06 mircea_popescu: only if restated.

01:02:21 mircea_popescu: a claim that's tested in a restated from should be divorced from the original.

01:02:53 asciilifeform: he's talking about carl bernstein

01:03:05 mircea_popescu: no matter.

01:03:16 asciilifeform: http://www.carlbernstein.com << that one

01:03:17 assbot: Carl Bernstein ... ( http://bit.ly/1FOesBX )

01:03:28 mircea_popescu: "asciilifeform: 'Assange and Snowden are cold or actively insulting and hostile << mp has insulted women, gays, black people and social workers. clearly he's a fake cia mp pretending to be the real mp.

01:03:29 mircea_popescu: logic wtf.

01:04:00 asciilifeform: i think he means 'he led the nsa device catalogue leaker to his anthill death'

01:04:06 mircea_popescu: maybe the real snowden is actually idiosyncratic. ya think this is possible ? "nobody did this, except this one guy, but he couldn't have done it because his behaviour is inconsistent"

01:04:07 mircea_popescu: uh...

01:04:41 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform at some point a decent argument will be constructable that you "led" some idiot to his death, too. because you know, used cardano after toasting it in pizza oven.

01:04:51 asciilifeform: it probably will be said, yes

01:05:20 asciilifeform: but if it appears to happen to every user, then it will be quite analogous to mr s

01:05:32 mircea_popescu: heck, kakobrekla heard a mouthful over his "leading derps into trying to steal from other bettors" or what was it, the bitbet scam thing.

01:05:41 *: asciilifeform recalls

01:06:17 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> i think he means 'he led the nsa device catalogue leaker to his anthill death' << The part of citizenfour filmed in Russia seems to support this hypothesis

01:07:20 mircea_popescu: i dunno...

01:08:10 nubbins`: "doc, you can't write everything in bold. bold is for important st..." "GOD DAMMIT IT'S ALL IMPORTANT"

01:12:09 mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072613 << anyway, this only works if one's willing to arrange the definition of tangible and interest after the fact.

01:12:09 assbot: Logged on 26-03-2015 17:21:02; asciilifeform: that is, why not a single one of the 'leaks' actually damaged any tangible lizard interest

01:12:22 mircea_popescu: "this bomb did nothing, inasmuch as it didn't bring down any of the currently standing buildings"

01:12:34 mircea_popescu: by this standard, the wtc bombing also did nothing.

01:12:47 asciilifeform: something like ted turner turning tricks in a bangkok gay bar to buy a bowl of rice every other day - would count

01:12:58 asciilifeform: or a glassed davos

01:12:59 mircea_popescu: sure, we could even argue the collapse was inevitable, and while the particular incident gives it flavour, the us was going to soviet union all over itself anyway.

01:13:14 mircea_popescu: an old man is not going to be a subsistence prostitute. ever.

01:13:18 mircea_popescu: that's a twelve year old trick.

01:13:30 asciilifeform: then begging

01:13:48 mircea_popescu: this by definition : the same thing that'd make you buy hisass (ie, his "personal brand") ensures he has an alternative, however minimal.

01:13:58 mircea_popescu: like you know, sitting bull in that circus act.

01:15:20 mircea_popescu: ;;ud yfw

01:15:21 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=yfw | yfw you realize every one of the previous definitions are wrong ... "Hey YFW, been trying to call you all day" (A substitute for the friendly form of 'bitch'.) Or..

01:15:45 mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072618 << oddly enough, mp has been doing very little code writing o.O

01:15:45 assbot: Logged on 26-03-2015 17:22:12; nubbins`: yfw 0.5.3 has a hidden backdoor and both satoshi and mp are complicit!

01:15:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45950 @ 0.00025483 = 11.7094 BTC [-]

01:16:20 mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072621 << i disagree with this, ftr. it was atrocious.

01:16:20 assbot: Logged on 26-03-2015 17:23:52; nubbins`: anyway, you're correct in that nothing leaked was particularly damaging to the lizards

01:16:35 mircea_popescu: i've not seen anything this damaging to the us foreign interests in the history of the us.

01:16:59 mircea_popescu: and for all the "no lizard interest" high horse : take the cisco collapse.

01:17:05 mircea_popescu: there's numerous examples of very similar things.

01:17:17 nubbins`: urbandict fail again

01:17:24 mircea_popescu: the us has no friends today, principally, because of snowden.

01:17:26 nubbins`: yfw you realize what yfw means

01:17:38 mircea_popescu: nubbins` i got it from context, "your face when

01:18:33 mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072626 << yes, but nothing he couldn't (and in all likelyhood didn't) obtain by wikipedia trolling.

01:18:33 assbot: Logged on 26-03-2015 17:25:05; asciilifeform: sachs also lists names, times, places of folks 'suicided' by usg, with reasons.

01:19:46 asciilifeform: is why i said 'connected dots' not 'new leak'

01:19:51 mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072639 << using the word "this" in your sentence exposes you to this situation where your line is burried in a different discussion and evaluated while im in the middle of a yet another different discussion, producing a "wut ?" as sole output.

01:19:51 assbot: Logged on 26-03-2015 17:31:31; felipelalli: mircea_popescu: thank you so much. But I guess this is not true on OTC WoT? Only in assbot, right?

01:20:24 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform let me put it this way : given a collection of dots, why would anyone care on the graphs built upon them by anyone not in their wot ? you know this guy ?

01:21:00 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nope, he fell from mars. but echoed certain trains of thought that i heretofore encountered only in own head. hence linked.

01:21:46 asciilifeform: also fella has a net presence vastly smaller than what one expects even a very modest crackpot

01:22:16 TomServo: ey folks, got my shipment today http://i.imgur.com/13p8tXK.jpg :D

01:22:17 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1FOiNoK )

01:22:17 mircea_popescu: to my head, the phrase aptly describes that piece which goes "contains ad admixture of true and trite, but what isn't trite also isn't true"

01:22:34 mircea_popescu: nice TomServo

01:23:17 TomServo: unfortunately due to poor ebay skills my cp2102 arrive... 'sometime' in april

01:23:59 nubbins`: heh

01:24:10 nubbins`: wd

01:25:14 TomServo: there's been so many links flying around. What's the quickest way to defile one of these after cracking it open?

01:25:15 asciilifeform: !up tris

01:25:32 asciilifeform: TomServo: you don't have to solder the serial port if you're careful

01:27:10 mircea_popescu: TomServo sorta in the middle here, we're just about to have danielpbarron write a noobs manual

01:27:16 mircea_popescu: but the thing stil lin flux

01:27:26 mircea_popescu: prolly stuff in his manual as is closest to what you want

01:27:30 decimation: re: snowden etc. < I think it's hilarious that folks see conspiracy when redditard volunteer would do

01:27:53 asciilifeform: decimation: the state-controlled media fellates him 24/7

01:28:08 mircea_popescu: decimation if nothing else, he has done A LOT to measure the power of the entire "crowd source" "power of the people" etc thing.

01:28:19 jurov: mod6 ben_vulpes where will the manual go? i can put a wiki somewhere

01:28:20 mircea_popescu: THIS is the best angle for him being a conspiraci, a sort of mike hearn of the cia.

01:28:42 mircea_popescu: jurov not best just re-use b-a wiki ?

01:28:45 mircea_popescu: too many wikis...

01:28:48 asciilifeform: and every time he opens mouth, what comes out? 'brave journalists', 'use tor!', etc

01:28:56 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform he actually says use gpg.

01:29:02 jurov: kk mircea

01:29:03 mircea_popescu: he very guardedly recomends tor.

01:29:18 *: asciilifeform greps

01:29:23 mircea_popescu: and most of that is guardian rewriting what he actually said.

01:29:33 decimation: re: greewald being on usg payroll < is also hilarious

01:29:41 asciilifeform: does s ever -mention- pgp?

01:29:41 mircea_popescu: (now, that guardian has all through had a very strong "dope it" agenda is true, and quite visible

01:29:47 decimation: the man has the operational acumen of a wet noodle

01:29:49 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes. pretty much every single speech.

01:29:51 asciilifeform: or merely the fact that one of the documents (not necessarily his) did so

01:29:57 mircea_popescu: pretty.much.every.single.speech.

01:30:15 mircea_popescu: decimation one being inept is almost a requirement for usg payroll.

01:30:16 decimation: mircea_popescu: snowden does discredit 'crowdsourcing'

01:30:35 mircea_popescu: decimation not sure if discredit per se, but it does illustrate its (long suspected) limitations.

01:30:53 mircea_popescu: maddox's "dancing party" thing much more adequate for the demo.

01:30:57 decimation: usg has a small number of non-inept employees

01:31:10 decimation: http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/architect-of-cias-drone-campaign-to-leave-post-in-watershed-moment-for-agency/2015/03/25/261289ec-d2f7-11e4-ab77-9646eea6a4c7_story.html < this is probably what happens to them

01:31:11 assbot: CIA official who directed hunt for bin Laden is being removed from post - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1FOkH8O )

01:31:11 mircea_popescu: yeah, because everyone likes to say "present company excluded".

01:31:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 314392 @ 0.0002502 = 78.6609 BTC [-] {2}

01:31:35 asciilifeform: l0l, this is prelude to death

01:31:41 mircea_popescu: decimation let me guess, he tried to wreck by having the trains overloaded so they will run the tracks down faster ?

01:31:45 asciilifeform: just as they 'training accidented' the -whole fucking crew-

01:31:53 decimation: heh he didn't die

01:32:01 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform do you see the costs for THAT yet alf ?

01:32:08 mircea_popescu: perhaps in the "we can't send anyone to tikrit" ?

01:32:09 decimation: he was 'promoted' to a 'non-in-charge-of-life-and-death decisions' post

01:32:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93000 @ 0.00024486 = 22.772 BTC [-]

01:32:13 mircea_popescu: is that a cost you look for and quantify ?

01:32:49 decimation: re: costs < yes, usg is cost constrained, but note that nearly all of it is 'self-imposed damage'

01:33:14 mircea_popescu: well sure, in the sense someone raping himself with a cactus is "self-imposedly damaging his anus"

01:33:28 mircea_popescu: cactus is still spiked.

01:33:43 decimation: usg could fire 90% of its staff, rationalize its tax system, and start colonizing the world

01:33:57 decimation: but the cactus seemed like a better option

01:34:30 mircea_popescu: "could"

01:34:52 decimation: note that snowden saw himself as far less inept than his colleages, and he was probably right

01:35:06 mircea_popescu: wife could stop being a fat bitch and husband could stop ejaculating early and watching the game.

01:35:55 mircea_popescu: us sec could register its wot key with mpex, us fed could announce plans for bitcoin-convertibility of usg,

01:36:01 mircea_popescu: so many coulds so little brainz.

01:36:17 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> does s ever -mention- pgp? << Snowden mentions GPG all of the time, Greenwald mentions tor all of the time

01:36:19 decimation: The effects on most other child outcomes, which include drug consumption, scholastic performance, and skills, can usually be bounded to a tight interval around zero. ^ http://www.arnoldkling.com/blog/the-null-hypothesis-for-income-and-wealth/

01:36:21 assbot: The Null Hypothesis for Income and Wealth | askblog ... ( http://bit.ly/1EI3icz )

01:36:32 mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> <asciilifeform> does s ever -mention- pgp? << Snowden mentions GPG all of the time, Greenwald mentions tor all of the time << exactly apt description.

01:36:40 *: asciilifeform out of date then

01:36:40 decimation: ^ writing about winning the swedish lottery

01:37:15 decimation: someone who wins the swedish lottery could be a better person

01:37:27 mircea_popescu: lottery has nothing to do with either income or wealth.

01:37:56 decimation: "Overall, our findings suggest that correlations observed in affluent, developed countries between (i) wealth and health or (ii) parental income and children’s outcomes do not reflect a causal effect of wealth."

01:38:15 decimation: it turns out that a poor bum who wins alot of money is still just a poor bum

01:38:28 asciilifeform: decimation: ^ known around the world

01:38:47 asciilifeform: however, note that maths phd etc. never win lotteries

01:38:50 asciilifeform: (they don't play)

01:39:01 decimation: true

01:39:04 asciilifeform: lottery selects for idiocy

01:39:18 mircea_popescu: lottery is just a very bad model for this sort of research

01:39:50 mircea_popescu: but in general, given the choice between "a flawed study few can recognise as flawed" and "no study", pseudo-scientists readily (and understandably, from a gt perspective) go for the former.

01:39:55 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: If your shiva eyes/hands have the time the citizenfour thing doesn't actually promote the innocence of any parties features, but clearly illustrates Greenwald's shitgnommery

01:40:10 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: believe or not, i haven't the time

01:40:17 mircea_popescu: this bias is, incidentally, why "stifling science" is such a suspect cry de guerre. one never nows if it's genuine science being supressed,

01:40:20 BingoBoingo: I believe it

01:40:30 mircea_popescu: or just some of these clock punchers didn't get money for their mortgage.

01:40:38 decimation: possibly, perhaps fat bitches, husbands, secs really can be otherwise

01:40:52 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 100 to 1 it's 'clock punchers'

01:40:59 asciilifeform: the genuine article doesn't have time or microphone to whine

01:41:00 mircea_popescu: decimation and who's paying for the divergence from thermodynamics ?

01:41:27 decimation: well, apparently not the lottery

01:41:33 mircea_popescu: lmao

01:41:44 mircea_popescu: of course not! lottery is an entropic result! thinkaboutit!!11

01:41:58 mircea_popescu: NOTEVEN DOOM MUSIC! in the shape of government handouts

01:42:25 decimation: at least the lottery is voluntary wealth distribution

01:42:27 nubbins`: asciilifeform iirc s tried to teach greenwald gpg and he couldnt figure it out

01:42:31 nubbins`: s had to make a video etc

01:42:36 mircea_popescu: it boggles the mind to try and imagine what this thing that pays for the divergence would look like,

01:42:36 nubbins`: all kidnappy-voiced

01:42:45 mircea_popescu: but i suspect it comes with three different types of cherenkov effect

01:43:04 mircea_popescu: nubbins` btw, i am VERY suspect of people who claim to "not be able to figure it out".

01:43:13 mircea_popescu: either indiancandies or else, assets.

01:43:25 mircea_popescu: in either case...

01:43:40 asciilifeform: usually if someone has the basic nervous system needed to operate the machine at all, he -can-

01:43:43 nubbins`: mircea_popescu email the smartest journalist in .ar and tell em youve got a bombshell, but they need pgp

01:43:46 decimation: note she won the 0.1 btc lottery and apparently thought that nothing else would come of it

01:43:49 nubbins`: $5 says they get someone else to install it for em

01:44:00 mircea_popescu: nubbins` that'd be... brendafdez ?

01:44:09 nubbins`: ahh \o/

01:44:15 asciilifeform: nubbins`: or generated key at imamoronmakemeakey.com

01:44:17 mircea_popescu: what do i get now ? hm ? :D

01:44:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80550 @ 0.00025542 = 20.5741 BTC [+] {2}

01:44:35 nubbins`: an invoice for a thousand pogos?

01:44:41 mircea_popescu: waitwut!

01:44:45 nubbins`: HUE

01:44:57 mircea_popescu: i just sunk your theory! i want a candy! omfg EVERYONE TURNING INTO MP

01:44:59 mircea_popescu: WHY SO MEAN

01:45:07 nubbins`: asciilifeform i'm not normally this slow on the uptake but generally unfamiliar w/ replacing kernels

01:45:22 nubbins`: i've got a, uh. turdel and a pogo

01:45:29 mircea_popescu: shoulda done fewer whippets!

01:45:41 asciilifeform: nubbins`: easiest way to test is to reconfigure it to boot from tftp

01:45:44 asciilifeform: !s tftp

01:45:44 assbot: 12 results for 'tftp' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=tftp

01:45:59 asciilifeform: this is some extra effort vs. stuffing it on usb or sd, but will pay off later

01:46:11 asciilifeform: as it shortens the test loop when you start screwing with it in earnest

01:46:18 asciilifeform: (i'm in the process of making the build replicable)

01:48:14 mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072728 << ahahaha o bring me thy log lines! i got one cornered!

01:48:14 assbot: Logged on 26-03-2015 18:19:18; jurov: no it does not poll it at all, i refresh i manually *blushes*

01:49:20 mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072743 << i wish they'd start publishing these as gpg signed statemewnts.

01:49:20 assbot: Logged on 26-03-2015 18:40:56; nubbins`: Very respectfully yours, Dr Les (Leslie - Leszek) Sachs - Scholar of the history of law and religion, with 7 earned academic degrees from 3 universities, the first two from Harvard University, alongside many US leaders;

01:49:24 mircea_popescu: so you know, one can check these claims

01:49:58 mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072753 << you know, this is something a (reasonably unknown) derp can do for himself - just spam a lot.

01:49:58 assbot: Logged on 26-03-2015 18:43:11; asciilifeform: the most testable hypothesis is that google systematically blackholes him

01:50:15 asciilifeform: could

01:50:21 mircea_popescu: i know because angry/stupid .ro folk with delusions of self importance tried this sort of thing (on like 3 different occasions) against me

01:50:25 mircea_popescu: didn't take, but was informative

01:50:32 asciilifeform: which thing, out of curiosity

01:50:34 mircea_popescu: like the qntra ddos stuff was informative re wp etc

01:50:48 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "let's get google convinced this guy is a spammer"

01:51:02 asciilifeform: whatever it was - worked.

01:51:17 mircea_popescu: it'd trivially work, again, if the target is anon with a wp account or w/e.

01:51:28 mircea_popescu: notice the recent lulzy failure of fetlife to "throw its weight around".

01:51:34 mircea_popescu: it "always works", they thought, so why not.

01:51:40 mircea_popescu: there's a lot of this going on the intertubes.

01:51:44 decimation: re: sachs < he fails to assert why the cia benefits from anything assange or snowden are doing, while the media gets moar clicks

01:52:11 mircea_popescu: heck, all the reddit brigading is essentially this, "you can blackball nobodies by banging on a lot of pots and pans!"

01:52:43 asciilifeform: decimation: sure he does. in his picture, snowden (but especially the greenwald gang) lead genuine defectors to perdition 2) lead public to use 'blackphones', 'redphones', and misc. garbage 3) drum up a general sense of dread and 'the walls have ears'

01:52:59 mircea_popescu: im not sure i'd hang any man for either of these.

01:53:08 asciilifeform: admittedly #2 is more my conjecture than sachs text

01:53:15 decimation: all of which happen with or without their help

01:53:15 mircea_popescu: for one, they could trivially be stated about you. for the other, srsly ? this is a claim now ?

01:53:55 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they could trivially be stated about you << just about anything could be. and folks would believe it, too.

01:54:08 mircea_popescu: i don't think that text works without the necessary "bouncing wall" effect a properly conspiratorial mindset provides.

01:54:13 danielpbarron: asciilifeform, http://danielpbarron.com/turdel_with_telnet.txt

01:54:14 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1EI4jBn )

01:54:14 mircea_popescu: too much "obviously..." jumping

01:54:19 trinque: I joked just last night that #b-a RPG was a meta-NSA recruitment program

01:54:29 asciilifeform: congrats danielpbarron!

01:54:32 mircea_popescu: trinque you think this is funny ?

01:54:48 BingoBoingo: Moar Winblows http://arstechnica.com/business/2015/03/german-pro-basketball-team-relegated-to-lower-division-due-to-windows-update/

01:54:49 assbot: German pro basketball team relegated to lower division due to Windows update | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1EI4kVG )

01:54:50 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron that useful for TomServo's q above ?

01:55:02 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo ahaha qntra!

01:55:19 trinque: mircea_popescu: the context was a point about being able to frame any situation in ever more paranoid terms

01:55:26 decimation: lol the 10 viewers of german basketball will be disappoint

01:55:44 mircea_popescu: trinque no dude, you just blew the whole shebang wide open.

01:55:49 trinque: ah fuck

01:55:50 mircea_popescu: now ima have to make another thing!

01:55:54 trinque: LOL

01:55:59 asciilifeform: 'with blackjack! and hookers'

01:56:01 asciilifeform: (TM)

01:56:02 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Gotta check the German story first

01:56:02 mircea_popescu: sorry folks. eulora project ended.

01:56:50 trinque: my mother will be so proud

01:57:27 decimation: http://pocan.house.gov/media-center/press-releases/pocan-massie-introduce-legislation-to-repeal-patriot-act < snowden's ultimate gift to usg

01:57:29 assbot: Pocan & Massie Introduce Legislation to Repeal PATRIOT Act | Congressman Mark Pocan ... ( http://bit.ly/1EI4ufZ )

01:57:32 mircea_popescu: so i want to announce this... umm... florist stand that s.mg will be producing.

01:57:40 mircea_popescu: brick and mortar store and TOTALLY not a recruitment front.

01:58:16 danielpbarron: TomServo, http://danielpbarron.com/pogo/howto.txt

01:58:17 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1EI4vAn )

01:58:40 mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072772 << did he go to spanish harvard ?!

01:58:40 assbot: Logged on 26-03-2015 18:52:58; asciilifeform: he is not a master of the english language.

01:59:20 asciilifeform: nah sotomayor harvard

01:59:27 asciilifeform: or perhaps gwb harvard

01:59:42 *: asciilifeform did not say he bought sachs's creds wholesale

01:59:50 mircea_popescu: i don't get it. your thesis is that he's like obama, there for "extracurricular" reasons ?

01:59:55 mircea_popescu: what, his dad built the clocktower ?

02:00:10 asciilifeform: actually they keep a certain number of such characters around

02:00:11 mircea_popescu: iirc there's no jew quota at harvard.

02:00:21 asciilifeform: tendrils of usg in the turd world

02:00:39 mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072793 << i am not aware he made such a promise ?!

02:00:39 assbot: Logged on 26-03-2015 18:59:01; asciilifeform: from his pushing tor, to promising to reveal 'who plugged jfk', to countless other distractions

02:00:46 asciilifeform: they go home, and become pliant administrators, dreaming of sending the childrenz to usa

02:00:59 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: well, the 'snowden twitter' did

02:01:04 asciilifeform: some time sept. or oct., iirc

02:01:38 mircea_popescu: do you mean https://twitter.com/kevinmitnick/status/475346838627696640 ?

02:01:40 assbot: Did Snowden grep the NSA docs for JFK yet? Just wondering since I'm in Dallas today :-)

02:01:44 asciilifeform: no.

02:02:04 asciilifeform: 'On November 22, in cooperation with journalists from around the world, I will reveal who really killed President John F. Kennedy.'

02:02:18 decimation: lol

02:02:41 mircea_popescu: dude srlsy.

02:02:44 mircea_popescu: it was a parody acct.

02:02:46 mircea_popescu: (The Snowden on the fake Twitter account is offering even more sensational revelations: ?I can confirm that Barack Obama worked for the CIA in the ?80s, helping to stage a coup against the Fiji government.?

02:02:46 mircea_popescu: An even more apocalyptic promise says: ?On November 22, in cooperation with journalists from around the world, I will reveal who really killed President John F. Kennedy.?)

02:03:07 asciilifeform: nope

02:03:10 asciilifeform: that was on the actual account.

02:03:20 asciilifeform: well, as 'actual' as any of him

02:03:25 TomServo: danielpbarron: aye, thanks - i'm disecting now

02:03:41 TomServo: asciilifeform: also thanks

02:03:42 mircea_popescu: is that the exact quote you meant or different ?

02:03:54 asciilifeform: exact quote from own notes

02:04:03 asciilifeform: trying to find some corroboration of it to link to

02:04:12 decimation: asciilifeform: the oddest thing about snowden is the reddit-esque faith he had in the media to 'start a conversation'

02:04:23 mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/EJosephSnowden/status/397048402510245888 << ?

02:05:16 mircea_popescu: srsly, i suspect you ended up intoxicated from 2nd hand material.

02:05:25 mircea_popescu: the guy is not actually pushing tor and that promise was a fake acct.

02:05:57 asciilifeform: to be fair, it isn't like his other communiques are pgp-signed.

02:06:04 mircea_popescu: sure.

02:06:15 mircea_popescu: the claim here isn'tthat the cow flies.

02:06:16 decimation: asciilifeform: another good point, why didn't he use pgp to verify his information?

02:06:21 mircea_popescu: the claim is that the cow actually gives milk.

02:06:38 mircea_popescu: (which, also, not signed)

02:06:48 asciilifeform: decimation: and afaik he never followed any analogue of 'ascii_field can talk and i will say if it was an impostor yesterday' principle

02:07:07 asciilifeform: never disavowed the garbage

02:07:18 mircea_popescu: imo that is the correct strategy.

02:07:27 mircea_popescu: if he universally ignores th egarbage, the garbage has to stand on its own

02:07:41 mircea_popescu: if he disavows any, the rest can now stand on your "didn't disavow me!!1"

02:08:15 mircea_popescu: why should HE discuss what other people say ?

02:09:05 asciilifeform: granted

02:09:32 asciilifeform: unrelated >> http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/world/wp/2015/03/26/what-we-know-about-andreas-lubitz-the-co-pilot-of-the-germanwings-plane-crash/?tid=pm_world_pop << omg1111!!!11 wr3ck3rz!!

02:09:33 assbot: What we know about Andreas Lubitz, the co-pilot of Germanwings Flight 9525 - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1EI4X1H )

02:09:50 BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2015/03/basketball-team-relegated-to-lower-division-by-ms-windows-misbehavior/

02:09:50 assbot: Basketball Team Relegated to Lower Division by MS Windows Misbehavior | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1EI4Xi2 )

02:09:57 decimation: actually related

02:10:02 mircea_popescu: srsly, i am so disappoint the french are not like, being invaded.

02:10:11 mircea_popescu: such perfect italian opportunity to conquer galia again.

02:10:15 mircea_popescu: IT WAS HISTORICALLY THEIRS

02:10:16 decimation: some derpy youth takes matters beyond him into his own hands, fails to do much of use

02:10:31 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo lol win.

02:11:31 mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072801 << i lolled.

02:11:31 assbot: Logged on 26-03-2015 19:01:01; nubbins`: http://www.patricia-cornwell-biography.net/patricia-cornwell-jew-baiting-extortion-letter-p-2.jpg

02:11:48 mircea_popescu: guy defo has his buttons.

02:12:09 mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072809 << pls to explain this.

02:12:09 assbot: Logged on 26-03-2015 19:02:33; asciilifeform: not sure how 'sane' you and i would appear, after a few decades in his position.

02:12:25 asciilifeform: radiation damage.

02:12:43 asciilifeform: if any of his biographical material is to be believed, he's been at the futile soapbox thing for decades.

02:13:17 mircea_popescu: like me ?

02:13:21 mircea_popescu: or how you distinguish ?

02:13:26 asciilifeform: the 'futile' part

02:13:36 mircea_popescu: how is it anything but futile ?

02:13:42 mircea_popescu: like... ppl still investing on forum, right ?

02:13:43 asciilifeform: sachs, i meant

02:13:55 mircea_popescu: what, specifically, is not futile ?

02:14:02 mircea_popescu: human fucking condition.

02:14:10 asciilifeform: time for 'zoom to fit image' here

02:14:25 mircea_popescu: holy shit, i don't even fuck without a condom!

02:14:29 asciilifeform: (vs 'zoom to fit human condition')

02:14:44 mircea_popescu: so you're saying this particular zoom quantity has a quality all of its own ?

02:15:09 asciilifeform: was trying to say, that sachs is successfully censored, for the most part

02:15:25 asciilifeform: even 'yandex' returns somewhere between 1 and 3 hits for him (depending on luck of the draw)

02:15:29 mircea_popescu: well... my twitter account got abandoned once and banned once.

02:15:37 mircea_popescu: reddit thinks it a great success (the 2nd, not the 1st)

02:15:39 mircea_popescu: so ?

02:15:48 asciilifeform: where is the sachs version of #b-a ?

02:15:53 asciilifeform: or of castle mircea_popescustein ?

02:16:04 mircea_popescu: absence of proof = proof of absence ?

02:16:08 asciilifeform: granted

02:16:14 mircea_popescu: same could be argued by rpietilla.

02:16:15 asciilifeform: but wherever it is - well-hidden.

02:16:25 asciilifeform: as in, airtight.

02:16:30 mircea_popescu: he's not insane, he's just been angry for too long. except im pretty sure he has both these.

02:16:41 asciilifeform: note the date of the linked piece

02:16:49 asciilifeform: quite a while ago

02:17:03 mircea_popescu: the jew baiting letter was 2000 iirc

02:17:04 asciilifeform: and i would have never seen it had he not written a letter to cryptome (see other link)

02:17:14 asciilifeform: speaking of the snowden thing here

02:17:38 asciilifeform: http://cryptome.org/2015/03/snowden-cia-fraud.htm

02:17:38 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1EI5l0e )

02:17:51 mircea_popescu: but wouldn't you say that describing that legalese boilerplate as "jew baiting" in 2000 would offer sufficient explanation of why he can't get his shit published in 2012 or w/e ?

02:18:13 asciilifeform: published by new yorker - sure

02:18:17 asciilifeform: indexed by google?

02:18:19 asciilifeform: yandex?!

02:18:45 mircea_popescu: maybe they pursued a defamation suit, sent c&ds around ?

02:18:51 asciilifeform: that'd be the one time it worked

02:19:05 mircea_popescu: understand, it does not take MUCH for an inept derp on the margin of his sanity to lose internet access.

02:19:10 mircea_popescu: i could do it, generally, for pretty much anyone.

02:19:15 asciilifeform: incidentally they normally publish the letter

02:19:20 asciilifeform: but in his case made exception.

02:19:27 mircea_popescu: afaik they do not any longer

02:19:32 mircea_popescu: used to, but became too much hassle

02:19:41 asciilifeform: did for warez, as of a few wks ago when i last saw.

02:19:50 mircea_popescu: link or something ?

02:20:10 asciilifeform: https://www.chillingeffects.org/submission_id/1420769

02:20:11 assbot: Chilling Effects - 404 Error ... ( http://bit.ly/1EI5oco )

02:20:31 mircea_popescu: o.O

02:20:44 mircea_popescu: one that doesnt 404 ?

02:21:14 mircea_popescu: check it out, alf is a tachyon. has read the future.

02:21:53 asciilifeform: search for 'leszek sachs'

02:21:58 asciilifeform: then follow link

02:22:14 mircea_popescu: Cerca de 343.000 resultados

02:22:25 mircea_popescu: includes > dozen pics of the same bespectacled fellow

02:22:29 asciilifeform: incidentally #b-a is not at the top of the page like usual.

02:22:33 mircea_popescu: and is no such link

02:22:51 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: might be geolocatronic shenanigans

02:22:58 asciilifeform: of the kind google is famous for

02:22:59 mircea_popescu: it is, which is what i said.

02:23:03 asciilifeform: aha.

02:23:12 mircea_popescu: do you wish to see the html ?

02:23:19 asciilifeform: dpaste

02:23:44 asciilifeform: but yes, did see the pics

02:23:50 mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/25VM435

02:23:52 assbot: dpaste: 25VM435 ... ( http://bit.ly/1EI5ArT )

02:23:52 asciilifeform: notably, did not see the document linked on cryptome

02:24:10 mircea_popescu: the cryptome piece itself is indexed (if one looks by "last week" results)

02:24:24 decimation: the cryptome 'letter' is also lulzy

02:24:34 asciilifeform: i suppose we'll see if there is a gnome with a hand-edited 'google blackhole' chart, soon enough

02:24:51 decimation: one is confused why the cia would bother to find such a complex excuse to be embarassed and embarass others

02:25:25 nubbins`: root@debian:/# tftp 0x800000 turdel_with_telnet

02:25:26 nubbins`: 0x800000: unknown host

02:26:14 mircea_popescu: http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2013-02-10/google-moves-destroy-online-anonymity-?-helping-authoritarian-governments-pro << he was in zerohedge ffs, last year.

02:26:14 assbot: Page Not Found | Zero Hedge ... ( http://bit.ly/1EI5Gjs )

02:26:15 asciilifeform: decimation: the historic, self-admitted 'national character' of cia (as described in their authorized histories, note) is as a gang of 'younger sons' of old-money lords in usa. on account of the elementary fact that these were the only possible recruits because no one else was cultured or spoke languages.

02:26:36 asciilifeform: (ww2 period)

02:26:57 decimation: asciilifeform: perhaps, but I can't imagine that the employees look much different than the post office today

02:27:06 asciilifeform: decimation: depends what is meant by 'employees'

02:27:17 asciilifeform: the paper-pushers - undoubtedly.

02:27:19 mircea_popescu: oh, meta-cia as well ?

02:27:23 mircea_popescu: that i might almost credit.

02:27:31 asciilifeform: meta-cia i can't even take credit for

02:27:35 mircea_popescu: right.

02:27:44 decimation: it seems from the wapo article about the anti-al-quaeda chap that he ran the 'meta-cia'

02:27:46 asciilifeform: worked great in su.

02:27:49 mircea_popescu: so alf, guy was in zh two years ago. it never caught. also supression ?

02:28:08 asciilifeform: i can't insist on it. but can't rule out.

02:28:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74300 @ 0.00024431 = 18.1522 BTC [-]

02:28:38 mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072854 << i suspect you're confused as to the meaning of at least one word in there :D

02:28:38 assbot: Logged on 26-03-2015 19:31:49; nubbins`: may have a job printing posters for big-name punk band :0

02:28:54 decimation: how could anyone inside usg accomplish anything at all without creating a meta-something

02:29:08 mircea_popescu: i hear this is how they get laid, too.

02:29:09 asciilifeform: can't say the sachs thing is a living animal. but a bone, with just enough meat on it to be worth picking up.

02:29:24 decimation: as if including the diversity-based hiring quotees could enhance the outcome?

02:29:34 asciilifeform: decimation: the basic 'meta' picture in my head is the small group inside virtually any gigantic and ossified organization that actually gets things done

02:29:55 decimation: which is what happens in any large organization

02:30:27 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so the skunkworks without the management ?

02:30:43 asciilifeform: or with own management, which largely functions to insulate it from the nominal management.

02:30:54 mircea_popescu: this is a very important difference here.

02:31:05 mircea_popescu: afaik the way this works is, there's someone in management who's not retarded, cultivates these.

02:31:14 mircea_popescu: as a self-organised thing i never saw it exist

02:31:16 asciilifeform: almost certainly ww2 vintage.

02:31:21 mircea_popescu: save in very narrow conditions (say, the it dept)

02:31:22 asciilifeform: the men, i mean

02:32:55 mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072895 << wait. and this is unlike normal openssh how again ?

02:32:55 assbot: Logged on 26-03-2015 19:55:07; asciilifeform: observation: sshd on a box with no rng may as well be replaced by telnetd

02:33:21 asciilifeform: normal box has at least the entropic component of cpu vs real time clock frequency drift.

02:33:27 asciilifeform: not to mention user i/o

02:33:44 asciilifeform: (very scant, but real, 'meat entropy' from human devices, etc)

02:33:45 mircea_popescu: my poor stab at poor openssh securitah.

02:34:12 decimation: asciilifeform: I thought it didn't have an rtc

02:34:19 asciilifeform: anyway that thing under no conceivable circumstances ought to be remotely shellable and sitting on public net at same time

02:34:27 asciilifeform: decimation: it has a useless rtc

02:34:35 mircea_popescu: fun fact : you can acutally hand-load the entropy pool.

02:34:40 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sure can.

02:34:47 decimation: why not an init with the auto-kill while loop

02:34:59 asciilifeform: decimation: init of what

02:35:10 decimation: I mean init is literally just a while loop

02:35:12 decimation: no shell

02:35:39 asciilifeform: decimation: this will make, e.g., setting static ip, impossible

02:36:04 decimation: could dhcp

02:36:11 asciilifeform: i don't like dhcp in my house.

02:36:14 decimation: heh

02:36:15 asciilifeform: and can't imagine i'm the only one

02:36:26 asciilifeform: dhcp also means we have to bring back upnp

02:36:29 asciilifeform: think about it!

02:36:40 asciilifeform: the demo turdel dhcp's, yes

02:36:50 decimation: not with a well configured dhcp/firewall

02:36:56 decimation: but it would be more complex, I agree

02:37:04 asciilifeform: decimation: how many in target audience will have well-configured anythign?

02:37:08 decimation: hehe

02:37:16 asciilifeform: we're probably stuck bringing back upnp regardless

02:37:20 mircea_popescu: what fire wall anyway ?

02:37:22 asciilifeform: (as a separate demon, i suggest)

02:37:22 mircea_popescu: this plugs into router.

02:37:33 asciilifeform: aha

02:37:33 decimation: the router that runs nat and has a firewall you mean?

02:37:34 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform whai ?

02:37:43 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: because how is anyone to connect to this thing!

02:37:44 mircea_popescu: decimation that's unused, yes.

02:37:51 decimation: ???

02:37:52 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ugh

02:37:58 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: think about it for a minute

02:37:59 decimation: gulz at your party gonna configure their services

02:38:04 mircea_popescu: shit.

02:38:15 decimation: this is why half the 'cloud' shit even exists

02:38:16 asciilifeform: jurov made this observation in october

02:38:28 asciilifeform: that upnp will have to be grudgingly brought back, if only as a separate process

02:38:29 decimation: because nat fucks up everything

02:38:31 asciilifeform: (outside of bitcoind)

02:39:01 mircea_popescu: http://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/stltoday.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/c/b6/cb6523a6-02dc-5cc2-be49-762e7e525851/5514637854c52.image.jpg << is that actualy a gun ?

02:39:03 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Csuteg )

02:39:05 asciilifeform: if the thing is to be given to 'civilians'

02:39:18 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'mossberg'

02:39:27 asciilifeform: three-round '12 ga' mag

02:39:39 asciilifeform: the other two barrels, no idea

02:39:43 decimation: is that the bot they sent after the boston bombers

02:39:46 asciilifeform: (speaking of the black barrel)

02:39:49 asciilifeform: decimation: nope

02:39:58 asciilifeform: decimation: from earlier newpiece today re: a tax guy

02:40:13 decimation: heh

02:40:22 decimation: it has some kind of other gun on its left 'arm'

02:40:26 decimation: maybe paintball?

02:40:33 asciilifeform: i count 3 barrels

02:40:39 asciilifeform: brb

02:40:59 mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072978 << yeah.

02:40:59 assbot: Logged on 26-03-2015 20:44:33; asciilifeform: still think 'usg as high-tech north kr is impossible', ?

02:41:06 decimation: one of them might be a laser

02:41:14 decimation: although it is a large barrel for a laser

02:41:27 mircea_popescu: i'd expect smoke launchers etc.

02:41:50 decimation: usians have been brainwashed too long to be turned into north kr-ites

02:41:58 mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072986 << everyone's going to be the first guy to stick a finger in teenaged pussy. FOREVER.

02:41:58 assbot: Logged on 26-03-2015 21:28:26; jurov: " is set to become the world’s first trading platform with a direct connection to the classic banking system" davout perhaps you may something to say about that?

02:47:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 166947 @ 0.00024425 = 40.7768 BTC [-] {2}

02:49:37 decimation: weirdly the dec 19 SPY put option with the most open interest is 135

02:49:43 decimation: current 'money' is at 205

02:53:43 nubbins`: asciilifeform danielpbarron etc http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=QHGEWZdn

02:53:45 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1CsuWgk )

02:57:47 mircea_popescu: decimation bear in mind that this sort of thing is seen often enough.

02:58:20 mircea_popescu: it always seems remarkable when the sec comes out with "oh, clearly they had insider info, held 90% of this improbable strike". but if you go combing over the market, you'll see lots of similar situations all the time.

03:00:57 decimation: mircea_popescu: apparently so. I'm trying to find a way to hedge my mostly long position on us equities

03:01:51 mircea_popescu: options are rarely the way to go for something like that.

03:02:21 decimation: well these days bonds and stocks trade as one

03:02:34 decimation: because the whole thing is predicated on 'usg prints money true/false'

03:13:31 asciilifeform: nubbins`: congrats

03:13:36 nubbins`: ty

03:14:07 nubbins`: still working on cross-compile toolchain for darwin->arm

03:14:26 asciilifeform: nubbins`: 'buildroot' builds cross-chain

03:14:33 asciilifeform: on just about any reasonable unix

03:14:42 asciilifeform: and i mean all of it

03:15:32 nubbins`: hm, i'll cheggidout

03:15:50 asciilifeform: nubbins`: it's what i'm building the whole shebang (as seen in turdel) with

03:16:02 asciilifeform: nubbins`: my plan is to fit bitcoind & its deps in there

03:16:05 asciilifeform: as just another 'package'

03:16:50 decimation: asciilifeform: ideally the thing would have a small lcd terminal for programming ips, keys, etc

03:16:55 asciilifeform: the output is a kernel and a rootfs (in 'turdel', deliberately baked into one binary to simplify testing)

03:17:10 asciilifeform: decimation: ideally i would be designing it full time in b-a or whatnot

03:17:15 decimation: not that this would be of any use to the target audience

03:17:18 decimation: aye

03:17:20 asciilifeform: decimation: and it would be baking in my personal fab

03:17:35 asciilifeform: but we're on 'junkyard wars' not 'who wants to be a quadrillionaire'

03:17:57 decimation: wait do you mean argentina or #b-a

03:18:04 asciilifeform: the former

03:18:10 asciilifeform: (just as example)

03:18:32 *: asciilifeform doesn't know for a fact whether he could tolerate it long-term

03:19:05 nubbins`: spent much time in a foreign country?

03:19:11 asciilifeform: nubbins`: yes, 22 years.

03:19:14 decimation: asciilifeform: well if I win the swedish lottery I'll fund your fab

03:20:28 asciilifeform: decimation: i don't think any lottery on the planet pays a tenth of what it'd cost.

03:20:55 decimation: oh a full chip fab?

03:21:00 asciilifeform: chip fab and army

03:21:19 asciilifeform: and pet economy to feed the two.

03:24:00 decimation: asciilifeform: so you basically want singapore

03:24:09 asciilifeform: sumthinglikethat

03:24:31 asciilifeform: but this is rather like asking about that kind of martial colony would feel best

03:24:46 decimation: well, I would pick an island in the middle of the pacific for definisibility

03:24:50 asciilifeform: not enough info from my perch to even say something reasonable beyond 'it ain't happening'

03:24:52 decimation: defensibility

03:25:12 nubbins`: dat off-brand battery

03:25:24 asciilifeform: island only works if you have thermonukes ready to pop in every major enemy population centre and they know it.

03:25:34 decimation: eh, kinda

03:26:07 decimation: the island is good because if you can operate a reasonable air and sea defense system, you are pretty well protected

03:26:23 decimation: if people wanna use icbm's they are gonna have to be committed

03:26:23 asciilifeform: 'tomahawk'

03:26:31 asciilifeform: much cheaper

03:26:50 nubbins`: asciilifeform:nubbins`: yes, 22 years. <<< lel @ me

03:27:04 decimation: cruise missiles are just as vulnerable as other aircraft

03:27:52 asciilifeform: decimation: see old thread: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-02-2014#488934

03:27:52 assbot: Logged on 08-02-2014 00:14:28; asciilifeform: imagine you possess a death ray that magically zaps a rocket, from any distance.

03:28:33 asciilifeform: (summary: defence doesn't work)

03:28:40 decimation: asciilifeform: yes, and on an island you can be the one lobbing rockets at whatever ship/aircraft is lobbing rockets at you

03:31:12 decimation: the whole problem of air defense becomes much simpler once you can enumerate goodness

03:40:12 mircea_popescu: entire fucking building reeks of pot. these people...

03:40:23 mircea_popescu: it's like being in a campus

03:41:06 mircea_popescu: decimation options have a very strong time correlation. unless you have a very clear date in mind, they're not usually the right tool

03:42:24 decimation: aye, you have to 'leap' from one ex date to the next

03:42:36 mircea_popescu: if you do that you will lose money.

03:42:59 mircea_popescu: who was the guy with the "short" fund, had some of the horrid0est results ever. i recall discussed here maybe cca 2013

03:43:07 decimation: well, the problem I have is picking the stirke price and quantity that is appropriate

03:43:27 decimation: there are plenty of short funds avialable, but they all have extremely high costs

03:43:29 mircea_popescu: if you wish to be equity neutral the more common strategy is "buy the equities short the index" or vice-versa.

03:43:43 mircea_popescu: this is very time-invariant.

03:44:40 decimation: yeah that's a fair point

03:44:49 mircea_popescu: <decimation> asciilifeform: yes, and on an island you can be the one lobbing rockets at whatever ship/aircraft is lobbing rockets at you << no you can't. why do you think "international waters" are so important.

03:45:12 decimation: well, presumably if they are firing on you from every steradian you have your rights

03:45:29 mircea_popescu: you have to sink the ship befroe it fires.

03:45:33 mircea_popescu: after, what's it gonna do.

03:45:50 decimation: declare the surrounding 2000 miles of sea to be territorial

03:46:02 mircea_popescu: this is a nude declaration of war.

03:46:03 nubbins`: 2000!

03:46:07 nubbins`: my sides

03:46:40 mircea_popescu: and what happens once some schmoe makes the 2100 mile tomahawk ? you redeclare ?

03:46:53 decimation: no, you shoot it down once it hits your 2000 mile border without ident

03:47:09 mircea_popescu: it doesn't. sits at 2050 miles and waves.

03:47:21 decimation: can do until it runs out of fuel

03:47:37 mircea_popescu: what, plutonium ?

03:48:24 decimation: the point is, at 2000 miles it would be infeasible to 'fire on all sides'

03:49:10 asciilifeform: decimation: lobbing rockets, etc. is a contest of who has the largest pet economy to milk

03:49:30 nubbins`: this is hypothetical to the point of absurdity

03:49:40 asciilifeform: decimation: or do you imagine that even something as basic as 'v1' can be built from dirt

03:50:27 asciilifeform: nubbins`: what a cosmographer does is even less tangible, but we owe a good chunk of early physics to them.

03:50:35 decimation: it's a fair point, one would have to have a large chunk of wealth

03:50:58 asciilifeform: decimation: wealth as in functioning tame economy and natural resources.

03:51:05 asciilifeform: not as in 'numbers in account'

03:51:21 asciilifeform: esp. not if said account lives among the folks you intend to blow up

03:51:21 mircea_popescu: this entire "i'd get an island" thing is not unlike the strange idea of the british troops to wear red.

03:51:24 mircea_popescu: yeah... that'll work...

03:51:27 decimation: heh

03:51:29 asciilifeform: ^

03:51:39 decimation: it did 'work' for a few hundred years

03:51:46 asciilifeform: pre-aircraft

03:51:48 mircea_popescu: right. but you're in the wrong hundred.

03:52:05 mircea_popescu: see, if i had the magical stone that lets you turn time back FOR THE OTHERS

03:52:09 mircea_popescu: i wouldn't bother with the island.

03:52:29 decimation: okay, if not an island? where ?

03:52:33 mircea_popescu: here.

03:53:13 nubbins`: ಠ_ಠ

03:53:31 decimation: hawala works fine for finance but not for real estate

03:53:48 asciilifeform: it also, very notably, does not work especially well for physical objects as a class.

03:54:00 asciilifeform: last i checked, there were no teleporters.

03:54:14 mircea_popescu: i dun get it.

03:54:20 mircea_popescu: what is this objection ?

03:54:52 decimation: where's ascii gonna locate his fab, to be specific

03:54:56 asciilifeform: objection to a hypothetical 'locale doesn't matter'

03:57:03 mircea_popescu: why does locale matter ?

03:57:21 mircea_popescu: decimation the best solution to his problem would seem to me, bribing someone to defraud an existing fab

03:57:25 mircea_popescu: rather than "build his own"

03:57:35 asciilifeform: and trust the product from fraud ?

03:57:42 asciilifeform: and have item fabbed on winblows tools ?

03:57:53 mircea_popescu: the price for trying to be "supergovernment" is that you lose your claim to title for anything you might "own"

03:58:06 mircea_popescu: much like un declared tyrants lose their bank accounts.

03:58:20 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform have it secretly dualboot for all i care.

03:58:28 *: asciilifeform very confused

03:58:33 mircea_popescu: have them upgrade to archlinux "for their own interest".

03:58:36 asciilifeform: how does this 'solve'

03:59:18 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: try to recall the thread where we illustrate that the entire extant ic fab ecosystem sits on two or three winblows-only turdwares that's easily 10,000 man-years each

03:59:44 mircea_popescu: so ?

04:00:08 mircea_popescu: the problem is no longer "where to place the fab" but "where to find coders".

04:00:11 mircea_popescu: very substantially different.

04:00:12 asciilifeform: so who do i 'persuade' to replay 1970-2000 ?

04:00:24 mircea_popescu: who is different from where.

04:00:26 asciilifeform: and it isn't 'coders' in the sense of monkeys but actual people, who would be required.

04:00:27 mircea_popescu: THIS works for who.

04:00:33 mircea_popescu: no argument.

04:01:47 mircea_popescu: but if you ask me, i do not see ideal situation as "private island where 04938509348509834 SAM batteries and nukes, and purpose-built IC fab"

04:02:11 mircea_popescu: i see it as, "elaborate virus, makes targetted fab shit out our own gear "accidentally", we buy it as tailings for pennies"

04:02:22 nubbins`: oh ho

04:02:33 mircea_popescu: did i ever recount the very early "special order" scam romanians got hit with ? in like 91 ?

04:02:37 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is about as plausible as the virus scene from the infamously bad film 'independence day'

04:02:59 nubbins`: duod the alien computers obv used compatible tech

04:02:59 decimation: except, the fab software in question doesn't 'fail' like a biological thing, it 'fails' like a fragile machine, as in - it doesn't work at all

04:03:09 mircea_popescu: decimation depends on the code.

04:03:33 asciilifeform: and at any rate, it needs to happen N times, not 1.

04:03:39 mircea_popescu: and so it will.

04:03:43 decimation: and achieve substantial yeild

04:04:10 mircea_popescu: decimation 1% yield, as long as it's not your run, is fine isn't it.

04:04:21 mircea_popescu: even better than 99% yield.

04:04:23 asciilifeform: cuckoldry doesn't work on everything.

04:04:27 mircea_popescu: buy the duds, "sell them for scrap"

04:04:29 decimation: how do you gain title to the 100 units to get one working one?

04:04:30 mircea_popescu: most of them, anyway.

04:04:32 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, it does.

04:04:41 mircea_popescu: decimation buy them for scrap ?

04:04:49 mircea_popescu: they ARE garbage are they not.

04:04:57 asciilifeform: this is laughable to anyone who can be bothered to learn even the basics of how such a plant is run.

04:04:59 decimation: wait, I thought they were 'dual use'

04:05:07 mircea_popescu: decimation the plant not the boards.

04:05:16 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform do tell ?

04:05:20 nubbins`: asciilifeform it's like a blue jeans factory, they have a "factory seconds" shop out front

04:05:25 nubbins`: and another in bangor

04:05:27 mircea_popescu: (and ftr, the island thing is laughable too. we're doing lolz here)

04:05:46 decimation: well for one thing, each and every 'run' of a modern chip requires milllions in setup fees

04:05:47 asciilifeform: just when i didn't think that anyone could conceive of a less plausible scene than the island...

04:05:54 mircea_popescu: (just, THIS lolz you're better equipped to appreciate, not being gunnery sgts or w/e)

04:06:06 mircea_popescu: decimation so ?

04:06:26 asciilifeform: no need to be a professional artillerist to see the absurdity of 'shoot everything that moves in the sea' hypothetical

04:06:33 decimation: literally tens of thousands of indians/chinese are employed testing the output of each run

04:06:38 asciilifeform: of each -layer-

04:06:41 mircea_popescu: decimation so ? they know it failed.

04:06:43 mircea_popescu: what now ?

04:07:10 decimation: why would they risk revealing their ip by selling dud units

04:07:18 mircea_popescu: huh ?

04:07:31 asciilifeform: the number of not-entirely-brainless people that would have to be duped simultaneously is large.

04:07:34 mircea_popescu: what, they do the melting down in house ?

04:07:39 decimation: absolutely they do

04:07:44 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not more than say for your dr. lezzie theory above.

04:07:45 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu might imagine that the fab is a largely automatic affair, but this is not so

04:07:58 mircea_popescu: decimation i'll bet you they subcontract it away

04:08:21 nubbins`: now you gotta own an Iron Mountain franchise too?

04:08:23 mircea_popescu: and if they don't presently...

04:09:06 mircea_popescu: nubbins` wut ?!

04:09:08 asciilifeform: i can see mircea_popescu's scenario playing out -with bribery- rather than elaborate crapware

04:09:19 mircea_popescu: the word bribe was in there.

04:09:33 asciilifeform: in fact, this is quite like the thread from my first contact with #b-a

04:09:52 asciilifeform: or one of them, anyway, where i theorized that the bulk of mining power is produced in exactly this way

04:09:56 mircea_popescu: anyway, point being : we don't construct a new earth.

04:10:00 mircea_popescu: we repurpose the extant one.

04:10:17 mircea_popescu: sorry to disappoint the settlers.

04:10:34 decimation: even with bribery, it would take a very large dole and a tight organization

04:10:37 mircea_popescu: right

04:10:38 asciilifeform: i for one would settle for autonomous food-n-shelter-tron

04:10:43 asciilifeform: could probably come up with a fab. in time...

04:10:46 mircea_popescu: but CHEAPER THAN ISLAND

04:11:01 decimation: that's not obvious to me at all

04:11:06 mircea_popescu: really ?

04:11:06 decimation: how much do you think pitcairn island costs

04:11:19 mircea_popescu: here we go again with this nominalist fallacy.

04:11:19 asciilifeform: decimation: it may as well be in center of washington

04:11:35 asciilifeform: decimation: for all the sovereignty the 'title' of the island gets you.

04:11:47 asciilifeform: or which 'cost' was spoken of

04:11:49 mircea_popescu: you'd have to buy midway to get the 2k miles you want

04:11:52 decimation: in the case of pitcairn, it is 'self-governing' with 60 voters

04:11:53 mircea_popescu: how much does midway cost ?

04:12:04 mircea_popescu: it's self governing like ukraine is self-governing.

04:12:05 decimation: obviously usg aint' selling

04:12:18 decimation: (midway is a nature preserve now)

04:12:21 asciilifeform: also recall the 'seastead' thread

04:12:32 mircea_popescu: decimation uk fashion, this

04:12:40 asciilifeform: (there is a subculture of folks who imagine that going to see somehow rids you of usg)

04:12:41 mircea_popescu: how to suspend laws ? o i know, turn it into a forest!!1

04:12:48 asciilifeform: *to sea

04:12:53 nubbins`: sealand!

04:13:06 decimation: george bush turned 2000 miles of territory west of hawaii into a forest

04:16:34 decimation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papah%C4%81naumoku%C4%81kea_Marine_National_Monument

04:16:36 assbot: Papahānaumokuākea Marine National Monument - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1BwRTLD )

04:17:09 mircea_popescu: lol

04:17:31 decimation: " It is slightly larger than Australia's Great Barrier Reef Marine Park, approximately the size of the country of Germany, and just slightly smaller than Montana."

04:17:54 asciilifeform: wai wat

04:18:31 decimation: and you are right, the enviro-nazis who heavily influence usg want to turn it into a forest precisely to suspend all law

04:19:05 decimation: asciilifeform: usg owns all the islands from hawaii to midway

04:20:13 asciilifeform: it also owns europe

04:20:16 asciilifeform: what of it

04:21:36 decimation: perhaps in a few decades when france has collapsed sufficiently, it would be possible to seize an island from french polynesia

04:21:50 asciilifeform: ... and do what on it?

04:22:21 asciilifeform: you can already 'seize' a ship-sized 'island' from... the sea

04:22:29 asciilifeform: it doesn't buy you sovereignty

04:22:35 asciilifeform: or autarky

04:24:32 mircea_popescu: i wonder why this island/boat/w/e thing is so appelaing.

04:24:49 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: because everybody wants to get the fuck away from the buggers

04:24:54 asciilifeform: and likes to imagine that there is a place to go

04:25:12 asciilifeform: where there is something more to do than dig own grave

04:25:20 decimation: aye

04:27:02 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> where there is something more to do than dig own grave << Like keep one's coffin afloat

04:28:07 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> i wonder why this island/boat/w/e thing is so appelaing. << Because hell is other people, "Get off my lawn", and other sorts of dissatisfaction with the rest of the human race

04:28:13 mircea_popescu: aha

04:28:14 asciilifeform: ^

04:28:24 mircea_popescu: maybe a little bit in there of racial memory. "last time this worked we did it on boats"

04:28:35 asciilifeform: this also.

04:28:39 mircea_popescu: nobody proposes toi, you know, move to mongolia

04:28:46 mircea_popescu: or kansas. which would be more practical.

04:28:53 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: think for a minute

04:29:06 asciilifeform: the absolute innermost circle of hell is the company of other -poor people-

04:29:17 asciilifeform: boat is a machine for being poor without having to endure poor people.

04:29:19 mircea_popescu: but it's empty.

04:29:27 mircea_popescu: fucking empty. you have any idea how empty alaska is ?

04:29:33 mircea_popescu: go to novosibiirks and walk.

04:29:40 mircea_popescu: you have any idea how deserted it gets ?

04:30:09 asciilifeform: if you start conducting anti-usg commerce there, your immediate vicinity will eventually get slightly less empty.

04:30:11 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> fucking empty. you have any idea how empty alaska is ? << This is a point. And on land unlike on sea one can travel even if deprived of vehicle.

04:30:18 asciilifeform: in alaska, or in greenland, or in the pacific ocean.

04:30:38 mircea_popescu: no. because in alaska you can live, and live well, and alone.

04:30:46 mircea_popescu: in ocean you, not being either fish or seal, drown.

04:30:51 asciilifeform: perelman, possibly could.

04:30:58 mircea_popescu: eh get out.

04:31:04 mircea_popescu: and no, vicinty would not get less empty.

04:31:13 mircea_popescu: police is in town BECAUSE THOSE DERPS LIVED THERE ANYWAY

04:31:22 mircea_popescu: where there's no derps, the usg does not magic some into place.

04:31:46 asciilifeform: aha and usg herbicide runs over the coke fields of colombia never happened ?

04:31:57 asciilifeform: usg is perfectly happy to magic into the right place

04:32:00 mircea_popescu: you wisah to grow cocaine on your island ?!

04:32:06 asciilifeform: as a hypothetical

04:32:15 asciilifeform: litmus test, so to speak, of sovereignty

04:32:20 mircea_popescu: srsly ?

04:32:21 asciilifeform: or nukes, if you like

04:32:39 mircea_popescu: well, if that's the standard i guess the south east of russia then, definitely.

04:32:44 asciilifeform: can you work on a plausible thermonuke in your kingdom? if yes, then sovereign.

04:32:47 mircea_popescu: between tashkent and fuckwascalled

04:33:43 mircea_popescu: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f7/Lenin_named_square_-_Tashkent_1982.jpg << there. how about that lol.

04:33:45 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1BwVyci )

04:33:46 mircea_popescu: notice anything ?

04:34:00 mircea_popescu: "o, is that an airport ?" "no, it's a mall."

04:34:24 asciilifeform: road for tanks

04:34:49 asciilifeform: and airstrip when it wants.

04:36:28 asciilifeform: at any rate, i must confess that i've forgotten what kind of puzzle all of this was intended to be a solution to.

04:37:15 asciilifeform: if it's 'get out of usg', this is rather like learning that your house has roaches and answering by looking for some small corner which, as of yet, does not have any roaches therein

04:37:37 mircea_popescu: it was merely my curiosity as to "why island"

04:37:46 BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2015/03/paypal-settles-with-us-for-sanctions-violations/

04:37:47 assbot: PayPal Settles With US For Sanctions Violations | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1BwWnls )

04:37:52 mircea_popescu: which seems akin to jews reacting to all the propaganda by building auschwitz by themselves.

04:37:59 mircea_popescu: lawl.

04:38:01 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i can speak only for myself, but i live by 'hell is other people'

04:38:34 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo why not "this casts doubt on the overall viability of the USD as a unit of account and medium of payment" etc ?

04:38:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92500 @ 0.00025626 = 23.7041 BTC [+] {2}

04:39:07 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sea is very poor solution ot this, seeing how its very demanding nature GUARANTEES you need other people.

04:39:29 mircea_popescu: to prefer a solution that clearly will not work, and by necessity, over a solution that clearly does in fact work is one definition of insanity.

04:39:31 asciilifeform: specially-selected other people. but otherwise yes

04:39:37 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: That comes in next story on not-Bitcoins behaving badly.

04:39:47 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no longer a solution to your stated problem.

04:40:15 asciilifeform: i suspect that most 'boat people' would actually rather be mircea_popescu, but you can go and buy a boat. you cannot buy 'be mircea_popescu'

04:40:31 mircea_popescu: but merely because yo ucan buy something...

04:40:40 mircea_popescu: i mean why not buy a can of sprayable cheese then ?

04:40:42 mircea_popescu: spray some on door.

04:40:45 asciilifeform: people with limited imagination actually dream of attainable things

04:40:47 asciilifeform: believe or not!

04:41:02 mircea_popescu: cheaper things that also do not work could be had...

04:41:02 asciilifeform: i know, it's mind-boggling

04:41:08 asciilifeform: 'here have this brick'

04:41:28 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=26-02-2015#1034997

04:41:28 assbot: Logged on 26-02-2015 22:21:49; asciilifeform: 'and when we had nothing remaining to eat, they gave us a turnip, they gave us a beet. "here, have some mice, have some fleas! here, have some typhus! die of disease!"' - warsaw ghetto

04:41:44 mircea_popescu: aha.

04:42:13 mircea_popescu: by the way : it is perhaps worth pointing out, for the benefit of the younger who certainly do not read, and understand even less than what they read, that the jewish ghetto was a ghetto before hitler.

04:42:33 mircea_popescu: that is to say, for some reason if left to their own devices jews especially in europe dwelled in the most insalubrious, asian arrangements conceivable.

04:42:49 *: asciilifeform thought that this was well-known.

04:42:54 mircea_popescu: well you never know.

04:45:26 asciilifeform: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/richard-z-chesnoff/ema-film-unfinishedem-the_b_682030.html? << i watched this film. and i happen to know how to read, and know that the restaurants existed.

04:45:28 assbot: <em>A Film Unfinished</em>: The Warsaw Ghetto As Seen Through Nazi Eyes | Richard Z. Chesnoff ... ( http://bit.ly/1BwY1DA )

04:45:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79198 @ 0.00025752 = 20.3951 BTC [+] {3}

04:45:43 asciilifeform: 'Horrifying snippets of it have appeared over the years: a starving child dying on the streets of the Ghetto while other Jews walk by or still others dine on meals at well stocked restaurants that never existed' '

04:45:47 asciilifeform: ^ crock'o'shit

04:46:16 asciilifeform: the collaborationists were amply supplied, even with caviar, almost until the end.

04:46:36 asciilifeform: between them and the black-marketeers, enough to feed a regiment.

04:46:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14552 @ 0.00025942 = 3.7751 BTC [+]

04:47:00 mircea_popescu: myeah.

04:47:27 asciilifeform: why did the author of the article find it necessary to insert this howler, i wonder

04:47:30 asciilifeform: 'never existed'

04:56:52 nubbins`: yeah, this boot via tftp is pretty dope.

04:58:02 mircea_popescu: because he thinks he knows thing, asciilifeform

04:58:11 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2015/maripostas/ << here, exact same problem.

04:58:12 assbot: Maripostas pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bx0iP3 )

04:58:17 mircea_popescu: read the clerk in shop part.

05:11:47 BingoBoingo: WTF they hash their inventory?

05:20:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 171400 @ 0.00025874 = 44.348 BTC [-] {2}

05:20:17 mircea_popescu: de facto.

05:20:50 mircea_popescu: turn HerpenStock Ultra Plus into Herpnstk Ult P

05:20:58 mircea_popescu: it's a hash innit ? shitty one but nevertheless

05:27:36 BingoBoingo: lol

05:48:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 311250 @ 0.00026011 = 80.9592 BTC [+] {4}

06:01:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 103400 @ 0.0002552 = 26.3877 BTC [-] {2}

06:14:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34645 @ 0.00025512 = 8.8386 BTC [-]

06:30:44 mircea_popescu: http://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/60691727.jpg

06:30:46 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1NgnfNX )

06:31:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 115700 @ 0.00025695 = 29.7291 BTC [+] {2}

06:37:56 felipelalli: Guys, I just wrote an article about BTCJam: https://yeppudaproductions.wordpress.com/2015/03/27/btcjam-e-genericos-nao-use/

06:37:57 assbot: BTCJam e genéricos: não use | Yeppuda Productions ... ( http://bit.ly/1NgoLjc )

06:38:02 felipelalli: Thank you for all, and thanks mircea_popescu

06:39:44 felipelalli: I have to sleep, here 3:40 AM. I'll see your feedback later.

06:40:04 mircea_popescu: http://rapecloset.tumblr.com/post/114719086934/marla << apparently "rapecloset" exists.

06:40:05 assbot: Rape Closet — marla ... ( http://bit.ly/1CTc5Mf )

06:42:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 219925 @ 0.00024899 = 54.7591 BTC [-] {4}

06:50:43 pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2015/03/27/lets-do-health-care/

06:52:56 pete_dushenski: wd on the logs today gents!

06:55:54 pete_dushenski: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-03-2015#1073280 << if #b-a ever had a tagline, this'd be it.

06:55:54 assbot: Logged on 27-03-2015 00:13:13; mircea_popescu: the cure looks very much like you'd imagine : strong encryption, strong (mental especially) discipline, minimal fortification along the riverline.

06:56:03 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform thinking on the ghetto stuff... it would perhaps not be inconceivable that the contemporaneous jewish obsession with socialism is derived from the utter failure of their previous, individualistic, capitalist approach.

06:56:27 mircea_popescu: overcompensation if you will, against the thing that produced the "train ticket sold for diamonds" as well as the "i'm fine, even have caviar, what if the world is coming apart"

06:57:02 mircea_popescu: which may even explain the "civilised world" obsession with same, if one subscribes to the theory that hey, said world's been doing nothing but cribbing the jews since whatever, 500ad.

06:57:54 mircea_popescu: in this worldview, the completely insane political construction of "the state of israel" suddenly makes sense, and a lot of it. key to perpetuating the welfare state - no peace in palestine.

06:59:05 mircea_popescu: and for that matter, once one end's threatened, tptb would increase the pressure on the sore spot - hence all the realignment behind palestine these days.

06:59:19 mircea_popescu: chiefly by us - the socialist entity most threatened in its socialism.

07:00:18 pete_dushenski: i can see that.

07:00:26 mircea_popescu: o hay p

07:00:37 pete_dushenski: hey!

07:00:58 pete_dushenski: the jewish thinking being: if we're all the same, no one will notice that jews != gentiles

07:01:14 pete_dushenski: so ya, there's "no colour, no gender" etc.

07:01:25 mircea_popescu: i thought that was the idea behind "hygienic" circumcision

07:02:02 pete_dushenski: if one is to ascribe any purpose to it

07:02:10 pete_dushenski: other than "do this to prove your faith"

07:02:23 mircea_popescu: i suppose cutting bits of genitals is the sort of thing that's interesting enough to explain itself,

07:02:41 pete_dushenski: right. like not eating delicious pork.

07:02:53 pete_dushenski: prove that you're strong enough to abstain, strong enough to slice nuts, etc.

07:03:08 mircea_popescu: pork's not *that* great.

07:03:13 mircea_popescu: lobster tho. fucking insanity.

07:03:30 pete_dushenski: eh really ? shellfish does't do it for me

07:03:43 pete_dushenski: pulled pork and bacon though... yum!

07:04:05 pete_dushenski: though not "canadian back bacon"

07:04:11 pete_dushenski: that shit's weird.

07:05:00 mircea_popescu: "Ganhava um pouco, e perdia muito. Meu saldo final, depois de muito trabalho e tempo, foi APR de -13.27% aos investimentos atrelados ao d?lare e +6,44% em bitcoin."

07:05:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36700 @ 0.0002352 = 8.6318 BTC [-]

07:05:01 pete_dushenski: either way, the hygienic hypothesis for circumcision, shellfish, and trichinella breeders is very modern.

07:05:13 pete_dushenski: and not the least bit supported by history

07:05:15 mircea_popescu: gain a little, lose a lot. i made -13% apr on usd, +6.5% in btc.

07:06:57 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell felipelalli tell you what, if you can prove ownership of a btc address, you can have 1% of whatever's in there as a loan, for short intervals, interest free. how about that.

07:06:57 gribble: The operation succeeded.

07:13:03 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron "Essa frase foi simplesmente perfeita." < you can nao put on your blog lol

07:14:11 pete_dushenski: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-03-2015#1074043 << a trillion ain't what she used to be.

07:14:11 assbot: Logged on 27-03-2015 03:17:35; asciilifeform: but we're on 'junkyard wars' not 'who wants to be a quadrillionaire'

07:15:19 pete_dushenski: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-03-2015#1074075 << jamaicans next door ?

07:15:19 assbot: Logged on 27-03-2015 03:40:12; mircea_popescu: entire fucking building reeks of pot. these people...

07:15:36 mircea_popescu: not even.

07:15:44 mircea_popescu: i think they just burned like a bale orsomething.

07:16:32 pete_dushenski: maybe their hair ?

07:17:52 pete_dushenski: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-03-2015#1074080 << taleb has his 'black swan horizons universa etf'

07:17:52 assbot: Logged on 27-03-2015 03:42:59; mircea_popescu: who was the guy with the "short" fund, had some of the horrid0est results ever. i recall discussed here maybe cca 2013

07:18:03 mircea_popescu: nah nah

07:18:17 mircea_popescu: was some random guy with a secular short fund that keep rolling options

07:18:26 mircea_popescu: had some success... in the 90s.

07:18:47 pete_dushenski: question: what makes a fund 'secular' ?

07:20:39 mircea_popescu: in this case i just meant, long term.

07:20:53 mircea_popescu: it's quant for "forever", which means whatever, over a decade i guess.

07:21:08 mircea_popescu: "secular trend" = "it was a trend before i was in business"

07:21:53 pete_dushenski: aok. i'd heard the term, but it never really meant anything to me

07:22:07 pete_dushenski: turns out, "before i was in business" doesn't actually mean shit anyways!

07:22:29 pete_dushenski: either way, ty.

07:22:58 mircea_popescu: in general it should mean either, if used as a time indication, to do with centuries, or else, esp if used in a religious setting, a synonym for "temporal", ie, not divine.

07:24:11 pete_dushenski: this just being in the context of trends ? or how else can it be used ? other than "secular society"

07:26:09 mircea_popescu: but in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/c21187c5471edd7c3b5aa85b967902fc/tumblr_ndhj805tOr1r59rt8o1_1280.jpg

07:26:10 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1CsFg89 )

07:26:37 mircea_popescu: ;;google secularisation

07:26:37 gribble: Secularization - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secularization; secularisation - definition of secularisation by The Free Dictionary: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/secularisation; Secularisation Theory: Will Modern Society Reject Religion? What is ...: http://www.humanreligions.info/secularisation.html

07:27:19 pete_dushenski: gotcha

07:29:59 mircea_popescu: introducing... the electric rapestation. http://40.media.tumblr.com/624a2dd83f83285420502e29365132e7/tumblr_nix7jyFzTs1u2j8oyo1_1280.jpg

07:30:01 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1CfUMD7 )

07:36:01 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: is the new fraudsters header of you with a jacket over your shoulder or are you pointing at the camera/reader ?

07:36:28 mircea_popescu: the ambiguity makes for a good pic neh ?

07:37:50 pete_dushenski: in a "under-bridge stencil" sort of way, i suppose ;)

07:38:55 mircea_popescu: :p

07:44:25 pete_dushenski: bon soir b-a!

07:47:23 cazalla: friday afternoon, beer and the release of pillars of eternity.. gg!

07:53:36 mircea_popescu: is it any good ?

08:02:04 cazalla: mircea_popescu, only just started but the char creation has plenty of customization

08:02:54 mircea_popescu: aha

08:02:57 mircea_popescu: unity engine huh.

08:03:06 mircea_popescu: but i guess for this sort of thing it's actually ideal.

08:06:33 mircea_popescu: More interestingly, ChangeTip doesn't even actually use Bitcoin -- it maintains a centralized, internal ledger of "who" has "how many bits" and then, when the user is ready to cash out, pockets the ledger-balance of "bits" and delivers dollars to their banking account. At no point in the entire process is a user does a user ever actually have to touch bitcoin, and at no point in the entire process of tipping is any mon

08:06:33 mircea_popescu: ey actually being moved around on the blockchain. Essentially, ChangeTip is a Bitcoin-based startup that in no way utilizes Bitcoin, save for the fanatical frenzy of the community of bagholders.

08:06:35 mircea_popescu: ahaha epic.

08:07:22 mircea_popescu: the only problem with that statement is that "a community" consisting of some third worlders hired by a local company hired by a vc flea hired by a usg flea is really not all that much.

08:11:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 220800 @ 0.00023405 = 51.6782 BTC [-] {3}

08:14:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 196800 @ 0.00022477 = 44.2347 BTC [-] {2}

08:20:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 234568 @ 0.00025274 = 59.2847 BTC [+] {2}

08:24:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 265432 @ 0.000262 = 69.5432 BTC [+]

08:28:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 948467 @ 0.00025977 = 246.3833 BTC [-] {5}

08:31:46 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all

08:31:52 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 247.18, vol: 7891.78309607 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 244.851, vol: 11191.44133 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 246.64, vol: 37085.93177561 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 250.0, vol: 9.59607962 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 245.52017, vol: 190089.18580000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 245.89158, vol: 13.25006486 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 248.929, vol: 49.522709 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)

08:40:59 BingoBoingo: ;;more

08:41:00 gribble: 245.712418481

08:50:49 BingoBoingo: !up Asa9t1

09:30:53 cazalla: mircea_popescu, what's wrong with unity? this game is preddy good btw

09:40:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 206650 @ 0.00026765 = 55.3099 BTC [+] {3}

09:43:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 215250 @ 0.000265 = 57.0413 BTC [-]

10:36:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 194823 @ 0.00026984 = 52.571 BTC [+] {3}

11:56:12 danielpbarron: height=300528 vs height=217406

12:19:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 78 @ 0.01409741 = 1.0996 BTC [-] {6}

12:53:57 jurov: http://translate.google.ca/translate?hl=en&sl=zh-CN&u=https://iyouport.com/archives/25775&prev=search

12:53:58 assbot: Google Translate ... ( http://bit.ly/1yim7Rb )

12:54:08 jurov: "China was unable to block Github because of the huge cost to its technology industry."

12:58:50 nubbins`: canada was unable to ban marijuana because everybody fuckin smokes it

13:01:57 nubbins`: <+mircea_popescu> http://rapecloset.tumblr.com/post/114719086934/marla << apparently "rapecloset" exists. <<< "it isn't hard to get candy. all i do is go to granny's house, since granny keeps candy there for me. i mention that i love candy and wait. i've also used my aunt, left my mouth open, gone into a torpor, only to be awoken later by the gummy bears. some of the hottest food ever.

13:01:58 assbot: Rape Closet — marla ... ( http://bit.ly/1D5RGVI )

13:04:55 nubbins`: <+mircea_popescu> pork's not *that* great. <<< ah get out

13:05:16 nubbins`: <+pete_dushenski> though not "canadian back bacon" <<< you mean ham? :D

13:06:47 nubbins`: <+mircea_popescu> ;;later tell felipelalli tell you what, if you can prove ownership of a btc address, you can have 1% of whatever's in there as a loan, for short intervals, interest free. how about that. <<< big spender!

13:13:27 nubbins`: pete_dushenski http://i.imgur.com/z1q3Uc5.png heehee!

13:13:29 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1D5UodO )

13:55:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 178400 @ 0.00026868 = 47.9325 BTC [-] {2}

13:59:49 nubbins`: so this truck was seen speeding towards the airport in ukraine earlier today: http://i.imgur.com/tu9LLzF.jpg

13:59:50 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1OCY0Hc )

13:59:53 nubbins`: black ops

14:02:51 mats: lol.

14:18:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 109000 @ 0.000265 = 28.885 BTC [-]

14:49:10 thestringpuller: jurov: http://np.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/30d6h1/a_rbuttcoin_thread_about_changetip_you_should/cprl0nk << what the actual fuck?!?!?

14:49:28 thestringpuller: some people are so dumb.

14:49:56 nubbins`: ;;later tell asciilifeform ado says 1000 @ $15ea, bout the same as other guy

14:49:57 gribble: The operation succeeded.

14:54:04 mod6: !t m s.mpoe

14:54:04 assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00015665 / 0.00023305 / 0.00027047 (8535021 shares, 1,989.17 BTC), 7D: 0.0001443 / 0.00024306 / 0.00030019 (16754205 shares, 4,072.42 BTC), 30D: 0.0001443 / 0.00033332 / 0.0004493 (88257024 shares, 29,418.70 BTC)

14:59:04 nubbins`: http://imgur.com/gallery/Cwma0Kf

14:59:05 assbot: A face-swap app registered the car's tire rim as a face... - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gxec9q )

14:59:08 *: nubbins` gasps for air

15:00:28 mike_c: that is oddly disturbing

15:01:27 mod6: i like the BTC truck

15:05:53 Adlai: 3way fswap?

15:13:32 nubbins`: !up Chillum

15:13:35 nubbins`: hi

15:13:36 Chillum: thanks

15:13:39 nubbins`: np

15:13:53 nubbins`: !up Uglux

15:14:58 nubbins`: https://www.sparkfun.com/ArduinoDay2015

15:15:01 assbot: Arduino Day 2015 - SparkFun Electronics ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxeRI9 )

15:15:19 nubbins`: !s cardano entropy

15:15:20 assbot: 8 results for 'cardano entropy' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=cardano+entropy

15:16:06 nubbins`: !s cardano from:asciilifeform

15:16:07 assbot: 74 results for 'cardano from:asciilifeform' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=cardano+from%3Aasciilifeform

15:16:13 nubbins`: ^ some links to start you out, Chillum

15:16:23 nubbins`: (not the sparkfun one, that was a general share)

15:16:46 Chillum: interesting

15:18:34 nubbins`: also http://fraudsters.com/cardano-xmas-blown-other-statements

15:18:35 assbot: Page not found pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gxf1iy )

15:18:42 nubbins`: comments have some dieharder test results

15:19:25 nubbins`: "Sum-up : 73 tests performed. Cardano RNG : Failed 2, Weak 5, Passed 66. Radioactive decay : Failed 9, Weak 13, Passed 51. Now go take your current entropy source, put it through diehard and see what happens. "

15:19:42 Chillum: 5% will not pass by chance in general

15:20:18 Chillum: one must run the same test many times on different data, only if a test is failing reliably or more than likely by chance is there a problem

15:20:37 Chillum: the radioactive decay looks like it has issues but that is likely due to the sampling methodology

15:22:01 Chillum: while the average rate of radioactive decay is predictable the actual moment of a given decay is very uncertain

15:22:36 Chillum: any pattern is likely due to sampling bias or an external source of energy

15:27:31 nubbins`: i think you'll fit in here

15:27:37 nubbins`: say, you in the wot?

15:27:51 nubbins`: !gettrust chillum

15:27:51 assbot: chillum is not registered in WoT.

15:28:03 nubbins`: ^ grab a pgp key and wrap up

15:28:04 Chillum: oh I will fix that

15:28:16 nubbins`: try /msg assbot !register or smth

15:28:54 nubbins`: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot

15:28:55 assbot: irc_bots:assbot [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1zIPF03 )

15:29:09 Chillum: ;;ident

15:29:09 gribble: Nick 'Chillum', with hostmask 'Chillum!~highinbc@wikipedia/Chillum', is identified as user 'Chillum', with GPG key id FD5A63B9EAC2A55E, key fingerprint 8680FD3C9D20B92FBEF3D058FD5A63B9EAC2A55E, and bitcoin address 1CHiLLUm1p2CzQrDPB1Tgs3t3jVbuBH1y3

15:29:29 nubbins`: Chillum assbot's wot split from gribble's a while back

15:29:39 Chillum: oh

15:29:47 nubbins`: you can use your current key, try !register <fingerprint>

15:30:43 Chillum: !register 8680FD3C9D20B92FBEF3D058FD5A63B9EAC2A55E

15:30:43 assbot: Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: 8680FD3C9D20B92FBEF3D058FD5A63B9EAC2A55E. This may take a few moments.

15:30:55 assbot: Key EAC2A55E / "HighInBC/H/Until(1 == 2)/Chillum (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Chillum)" successfully imported.

15:30:55 assbot: Registration successful.

15:31:00 nubbins`: woo

15:31:04 nubbins`: !down Chillum

15:31:12 nubbins`: now /msg assbot !up

15:31:28 nubbins`: then /msg assbot !verify <decrypted otp>

15:32:15 nubbins`: !rate chillum 1 a person

15:32:15 assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/b58f141837e2e284

15:32:56 nubbins`: !verify assbot:nubbins`.rate.chillum.1:aa3ec119b01dd0d523b9536191515784648cf75065d1860a9ec818dafce20f00

15:32:56 assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for chillum with note: a person

15:32:59 nubbins`: have at 'er

15:34:12 Chillum: got it

15:34:32 nubbins`: welcome

15:34:46 Chillum: good to be a person

15:34:49 Chillum: in the eyes of assbot

15:34:51 nubbins`: tell me about it, hey?

15:36:33 nubbins`: anyway, poor asciilifeform has been testing the cardano boards like a madman lately

15:36:47 nubbins`: in between constructing a pick-n-place in his house

15:36:52 nubbins`: and i think he has a job too 8)

15:37:17 Chillum: how do they interface? Do they have serial out?

15:37:43 *: Chillum can just google it lol

15:38:16 nubbins`: http://fraudsters.com/2013/snsa-first-product-the-cardano/

15:38:16 assbot: S.NSA first product - The Cardano pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1NlHY0Q )

15:38:33 nubbins`: careful, you'll run out of credits if you click too many links ;p

15:40:16 Chillum: the major flaw with most HWRNGs is the lack of failure detection

15:41:14 nubbins`: nod

15:41:18 asciilifeform: actually the most glaring flaw with virtually all hardware rng is lack of auditability.

15:41:32 nubbins`: oh here we go, someone qualified can take over

15:41:48 asciilifeform: actually on my way somewhere, so will have to happen later.

15:41:55 nubbins`: :D

15:42:25 Chillum: lol, that zap switch will burn out the EPROM if used for too long

15:42:34 Chillum: they have a limited number of writes

15:42:58 nubbins`: nothin' lasts forever!

15:43:11 Chillum: other than auditability how could one detect a subtle failure?

15:43:57 Chillum: I like that it uses 2 trngs through a xor gate. Often that is implemented in software with two devices

15:44:40 Chillum: asciilifeform: This is what started nubbins` and I on the conversation: http://static.highinbc.com/20150313_194522.jpg

15:44:46 Chillum: it is using the hwrng in a raspberry pi

15:45:22 Chillum: I wrote the code myself, it calls vanitygen pointed to the hwrng

15:45:43 Chillum: well I am using rng-tools to point /dev/hwrng to /dev/random

15:47:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65200 @ 0.000265 = 17.278 BTC [-]

15:50:43 danielpbarron: Chillum, what is that device in the picture?

15:50:57 danielpbarron: it looks like a newer version of the piper thing

15:51:05 Chillum: It is a raspberry pi connected to a button and a tty receipt printer

15:51:15 Chillum: it was from a kit meant to printer a twitter feed in real time

15:51:29 Chillum: I started with a fresh OS and wrote the bitcoin wallet printer

15:51:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22100 @ 0.0002701 = 5.9692 BTC [+]

15:51:49 danielpbarron: woah, that twitter thing sounds cool

15:51:52 Chillum: a cheap offline computer for printer paper wallets

15:52:11 Chillum: danielpbarron: https://www.adafruit.com/product/1289

15:52:12 assbot: Adafruit IoT Pi Printer Project Pack - Includes Raspberry Pi ID: 1289 - $189.95 : Adafruit Industries, Unique & fun DIY electronics and kits ... ( http://bit.ly/1NlIZpO )

15:52:20 Chillum: you can get the parts way cheaper

15:52:41 danielpbarron: have you seen this? -> https://piperwallet.com/gallery.php

15:52:43 assbot: Piper: A Bitcoin paper wallet printer. Securely backup & store your digital currency ... ( http://bit.ly/1NlJ5Of )

15:52:44 Chillum: it is a $40 printer and a $35 Pi, a power supply a button some wires and a case

15:53:07 Chillum: hehe I did not know about that

15:53:10 Chillum: and here I thought I was being clever

15:53:24 danielpbarron: newp

15:53:25 Chillum: looks like the same printer too

15:53:33 danielpbarron: i've had a piper printer for a couple years now i think

15:53:45 danielpbarron: i sorta bricked it

15:54:04 Chillum: Still, I will always write my own paper wallet software that uses vanitygen. You never know if some 3rd party programmed it to only make 500 million keys and has then precomputed

15:54:06 danielpbarron: probably fixable but i wouldn't want to actually send funds to any address it produces anyway

15:54:30 danielpbarron: yeah i was trying to get mine to pull from a list of pre-generated addresses that i supplied

15:54:46 danielpbarron: in addition to modifying the artwork

15:54:50 Chillum: if you limit your generator to a smaller keyspace that you precompute then you don't need a backchannel of communications

15:55:15 Chillum: If you want that then use a deterministic wallet

15:55:28 Chillum: unlimited keys with the advantage of backup.

15:55:36 danielpbarron: meh

15:55:40 Chillum: but really I want mine to forget right away. I have no swap and do everything in RAM

15:55:49 danielpbarron: i liked it for handing out freebies to people i met

15:55:55 Chillum: no temp files, the user running it has read only access to the drive

15:55:57 danielpbarron: but i'm done with that spammy nonsense

15:56:21 nubbins`: freebie handouts

15:56:27 nubbins`: not a great way to make people care, hey?

15:56:29 Chillum: I am pretty sure I am not writing to disk. No flashing green light

15:56:40 Chillum: I did a scan for keystrings and did not find them

15:57:08 Chillum: nubbins`: If I gave out bitcoin samples it would be in the form of a coupon that expires. If you just give out wallets half the people will throw them out

15:57:21 Chillum: have some service that lets them claim it if they are actually interested

15:57:59 danielpbarron: yeah i should have let mine save the private keys

15:58:03 nubbins`: just give em a privkey, and take the money back if it's still there after x days :P

15:58:09 danielpbarron: and told people i'd sweep the funds back after X time

15:58:16 Chillum: nubbins`: what if they add to the key???

15:58:25 danielpbarron: now i'm responsible for some "burned" coins forever bloating the tx pool :<

15:58:27 nubbins`: score

15:58:30 Chillum: lol

15:59:36 danielpbarron: oo, instead of twitter feed, i could make one of these print MPEx stocks

15:59:40 Chillum: Before I was using a perl script that made a png that I printed on my laser printer and deleted. Sooo copy on my hard drive, copy on my printer, copy going over my network to the printer. I said "There has to be a better way"

15:59:46 Chillum: I feel much safer with my offline printer

15:59:55 Chillum: yes, it can do pretty much anything

16:00:04 Chillum: the python library makes it fairly easy to use too

16:00:15 Chillum: text is as simple as printer.println("This is text")

16:00:17 nubbins`: that's heat sensitive paper?

16:00:22 Chillum: ya

16:00:30 nubbins`: hope ya don't store those long-term :D

16:00:33 Chillum: dirt cheap, but don't get the printouts hot

16:00:37 nubbins`: yah

16:00:40 nubbins`: even time will fade em

16:00:46 Chillum: I have a plastic card printer for long term wallets

16:00:50 nubbins`: oh, nice.

16:00:54 Chillum: like ID style

16:00:58 nubbins`: always wanted one

16:01:03 nubbins`: not so much since i turned 19

16:01:06 Chillum: images need to be converted into 2 bit bitmap but there are examples online

16:01:19 Chillum: The EPPSON R280 is what you want

16:01:26 Chillum: out of production but still on ebay

16:01:46 Chillum: you need to replace the DVD tray with a card tray from a Chinese company that also sells the blank cards

16:01:48 Chillum: or ebay

16:02:08 nubbins`: epson printers are great, i've got two wide-format ones

16:02:22 *: Chillum is jealous

16:02:29 nubbins`: never thought of getting a card tray for one :D

16:02:40 thestringpuller: nubbins` you are a such a candian hipster

16:02:42 Chillum: I want to invest in a wide format printer and a laser cutter. I just have nowhere to put them

16:02:43 nubbins`: Chillum they're like $300! get one

16:02:55 nubbins`: granted, only 13" wide, but who cares?

16:02:57 Chillum: I would need to pay like $500 a month more rent to get a bigger place

16:03:03 Chillum: this city is stupid expensive

16:03:46 nubbins`: then you get a CISS from cobra inks

16:03:58 Chillum: I am trying to find a place with an extra room for a workspace but nothing really available. After the university lets out I may have more like

16:04:00 nubbins`: and start paying $20 per 16oz instead of $1000

16:04:44 Chillum: oh ya, continuous ink is mandatory if you are going to go into commercial production

16:04:45 nubbins`: http://imgur.com/5uggnbK

16:04:45 assbot: Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1NlKm7Z )

16:05:00 nubbins`: we have two: one color (pictured), one with 6 black tanks

16:05:33 Chillum: nice, does it have the secondary reservoir so you can keep printing when you switch out the bottles, or is it a fill from the top system?

16:05:47 nubbins`: secondary reservoir. it uses negative pressure

16:05:54 Chillum: that is the way to go

16:05:58 nubbins`: you can see those tanks are split vertically

16:06:08 nubbins`: back (right-side) half is much lower

16:06:12 nubbins`: that's where the printhead draws from

16:06:34 nubbins`: you just gotta swap the rubber stoppers to maintain pressure

16:06:36 Chillum: the printer kit called for soldering but I did the whole thing with pin header wires

16:06:51 nubbins`: this one just clicks into place

16:06:56 nubbins`: fake printhead

16:06:56 Chillum: the one thing I like about thermal paper(as crappy as it is) is that you don't need ink

16:07:11 nubbins`: yeah

16:07:16 nubbins`: ink cost is pretty minimal here

16:07:41 Chillum: costs 1 cent for each 3.5 wallets by my calculations

16:08:04 nubbins`: nb

16:12:16 Chillum: if the piper is running a raspberry pi then it is far from bricked. Just reimage the sd card with raspbian then plug it into ethernet, nmap for port 22 and login user/password pi/raspbian

16:12:30 Chillum: then you can get the python thermalprinter library and do whatever you like

16:12:48 mats: http://www.sec.gov/news/pressrelease/2015-49.html#.VRSPA_nF8qx

16:12:49 assbot: SEC.gov | SEC Adopts Rules to Facilitate Smaller Companies’ Access to Capital ... ( http://bit.ly/1HSkiTz )

16:13:12 mats: pump ze bubble

16:22:02 funkenstein_: ze new rules provide more choices

16:35:13 nubbins`: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/bianca-s-gift-cards-no-longer-accepted-at-bistro-sofia-and-black-sea-1.3011771

16:35:15 assbot: Bianca's gift cards no longer accepted at Bistro Sofia and Black Sea - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1HSsPpD )

16:36:01 nubbins`: this is what happens when you do people a favor

16:36:24 nubbins`: oh n/m, "I wouldn't say angry, but disappointed for sure."

16:36:29 nubbins`: that's reasonable

16:37:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23700 @ 0.00026549 = 6.2921 BTC [-]

16:40:01 danielpbarron: "The debt is up to $1,000 now, so we have to draw the line somewhere." << wtf kind of business is this??

16:40:40 nubbins`: danielpbarron restaurant X goes outta business. X strikes up a deal with Y and Z: if they accept X's gift certs, they'll be reimbursed.

16:40:49 nubbins`: Y and Z start accepting gift certs

16:40:53 nubbins`: X stops reimbursing

16:41:19 nubbins`: given that most of the certs were prob for $50-100, how much of a balance would YOU rack up before you stopped honoring them?

16:41:29 nubbins`: keep in mind that X went out of business because they were broke.

16:41:58 danielpbarron: sounds to me like a pretty cheap ad campaign

16:42:05 nubbins`: also keep in mind last line of article: "March is a graveyard for restaurants."

16:42:18 nubbins`: ad campaign for who?

16:42:59 danielpbarron: the restaurants getting the overflow business

16:43:26 nubbins`: sure, unless the overflow business is paying in worthless scrip.

16:43:53 nubbins`: "this really worked, look at all the funbucks in the register" know what i mean?

16:43:55 danielpbarron: they could be like.. "gift cards good for food, you buy the booze"

16:44:17 nubbins`: or they could be like "paying customers only" :D

16:46:27 Chillum: hmm I wonder if a universal gift card could be created that used bitcoin backing

16:46:39 Chillum: well of course it could be created, would it be embraced

16:47:12 Chillum: call it foodcoin so they are not scared

16:49:16 danielpbarron: you mean a credit/debit card denominated in bitcoin? i'm sure these will exist after the dollar collapses

16:50:15 nubbins`: who'd sell them though?

16:50:17 trinque: danielpbarron: this is how I'd expect everyman transactions to take place

16:50:24 nubbins`: this would be like restaurants selling USD.

16:50:27 trinque: instead of the "btc for latte" situation

16:50:49 Chillum: credit cards started as dining cards

16:50:58 Chillum: it is just a way to introduce the public to an idea

16:51:03 Chillum: through food

16:51:05 trinque: that's also my answer to people who want bitcoin to be visa... build visa *atop* bitcoin

16:51:08 danielpbarron: sell them? you don't get countless credit card applications in the mail?

16:51:08 trinque: nothing's stopping you

16:51:22 mircea_popescu: nubbins` anyone so inclined, basically.

16:51:41 mircea_popescu: Chillum has it, the current credit card is no sort of broad idea or innovation or anything. just an overgrown gift card.

16:51:49 Chillum: the restaurants could act as places to buy/sell foodcoin(bitcoin)

16:51:49 danielpbarron: the majority of my snail mail is credit card spam

16:51:58 Chillum: people won't like the changing value though

16:52:19 mircea_popescu: by then, not much room for value to change TO

16:52:19 danielpbarron: that's why i prefaced with "after the dollar collapses"

16:52:28 funkenstein_: they didn't like leaving french francs or old chinese yuan either

16:52:31 mircea_popescu: why do you think usg dollar is stable, zimbabweg dollar is not ?

16:52:32 danielpbarron: things will be priced in satoshi, not bitcoin

16:52:40 mircea_popescu: because of any difference in policy / quality / wealth / value ?

16:52:42 Chillum: it is not stable

16:52:43 mircea_popescu: neah. just... size.

16:52:49 Chillum: it is just commonly used as a reference

16:53:02 funkenstein_: big ships never sink, it's well known

16:53:09 Chillum: lol

16:53:11 mircea_popescu: well so then. once bitcoin is commonly used as reference, there's no change for people not to like

16:53:15 mircea_popescu: as it's not changing

16:53:19 Chillum: yup

16:53:27 felipelalli: felipelalli tell you what, if you can prove ownership of a btc address, you can have 1% of whatever's in there as a loan, for short intervals, interest free. how about that. << mircea_popescu it would be perfect.

16:53:32 mircea_popescu: funkenstein_ ships have to interact with the sea. big shits however, mostly interact with people's heads.

16:53:41 mircea_popescu: felipelalli so go for it

16:53:55 funkenstein_: how to sink the shit is the question then

16:54:04 *: mircea_popescu building hawala on top of hawala since 2011!

16:54:24 mircea_popescu: i dunno funkenstein_, this stinker's a floater >D

16:54:51 felipelalli: mircea_popescu: :)

16:54:56 felipelalli: Have you guys read the article?

16:55:00 Chillum: the rising tide raises all ships, well the ones that don't sink

16:55:08 danielpbarron: felipelalli, i have

16:55:12 funkenstein_: rising tUSD

16:55:30 felipelalli: danielpbarron: makes sense?

16:55:37 danielpbarron: yep

16:56:02 felipelalli: the impact being quite interesting in the Brazilian community.

16:57:08 felipelalli: a lot of people came to congratulate me, but all in pvt. and few people disagreed, but who disagreed did so in public.

16:57:16 mircea_popescu: felipelalli go sign "Hello this is not dog" with the address in question.

16:59:53 mircea_popescu: ;;seen brendafdez

16:59:54 gribble: brendafdez was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 17 hours, 54 minutes, and 9 seconds ago: <brendafdez> mircea_popescu it works now. Anyway the IP I'm on now is one of a public AP, it shouldnt be whitelisted. I'll later give you my home IP, and BingoBoingo has my VPS IP already. I didn't know you were filtering.

17:00:35 nubbins`: http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/30hdao/whats_the_most_impressive_dish_even_an_idiot_can/

17:00:37 assbot: What's the Most Impressive Dish even an Idiot Can Cook for a Girl He Lied To About Being a Chef? : AskReddit ... ( http://bit.ly/19pLslL )

17:01:37 danielpbarron: chicken cordon bleu is pretty simple

17:01:54 nubbins`: http://www.bloomberg.com/bw/stories/2008-05-22/how-japan-helped-ease-the-rice-crisisbusinessweek-business-news-stock-market-and-financial-advice

17:01:57 assbot: How Japan Helped Ease the Rice Crisis - Businessweek ... ( http://bit.ly/19pLFoT )

17:02:06 nubbins`: cooking most things is... pretty simple

17:02:18 felipelalli: mircea_popescu: thank you so much, but I don't need in this moment, and I hope not need soon, or never. Also, the private keys of my btcs isn't so easy to access right now. But if I need it one day for (an investment in my company maybe?), the first place I'll try is here. But I won't, don't worry. I think my loans on btcjam was another excitement test than real need. I thoroughly enjoyed your offer, very grateful for that.

17:02:50 danielpbarron: hard thing is getting the rice just right if you've never done it before; or the steak.. or the eggs

17:03:43 danielpbarron: felipelalli, i gathered from your article that you were more a lender than a borrower

17:03:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 144850 @ 0.000265 = 38.3853 BTC [-]

17:04:21 felipelalli: danielpbarron: not big lender, I think I was using it like a bet house, just playing it.

17:04:33 felipelalli: the ugly truth!

17:04:36 nubbins`: http://i.imgur.com/i5zd2hT.gif

17:04:41 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxkFBs )

17:04:41 nubbins`: ^ dat lane change

17:05:01 danielpbarron: felipelalli, have you heard of mpex and bitbet ?

17:05:27 felipelalli: mpex yes, bitbet yes but I don't remember.

17:05:41 felipelalli: ah yes!! I use it.

17:05:48 felipelalli: well, I used in the past*

17:05:54 danielpbarron: so there you go! turns out you didn't even need btcjam

17:05:57 felipelalli: it's fun to play sometimes.

17:06:06 felipelalli: danielpbarron: yes!! :)

17:06:07 mircea_popescu: nubbins` actually, pork wellington imo.

17:06:15 mircea_popescu: it's certainly what i use to show girls they can be chefs too!

17:06:35 nubbins`: i've never done anything wellington, but have been threatening to for a while

17:06:50 nubbins`: aaaand i've got a dozen pork tenderloins on hand....

17:06:52 mircea_popescu: it's very simple : boil liver, make dough, sear tenderloin.

17:07:26 mircea_popescu: mix liver with cream, vinegar, allspice into a paste. rub all over tenderloin. place on dough, seal, rub egg yolk over, stick in oven

17:07:35 mircea_popescu: there's literally nothing you can fuck up in there.

17:07:45 felipelalli: The irony: soon after I published my article in the Brazilian community: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=m6BTX292

17:07:46 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/19pMJt4 )

17:08:23 felipelalli: Making spam in our group.

17:08:37 mircea_popescu: obviously you can trim that. but odds are the girl never had it anyway, so she won't know.

17:09:36 nubbins`: http://np.reddit.com/r/whatisthisthing/comments/30g1nh/found_this_in_my_sisters_closet_while_helping_her/cps3dik

17:09:39 assbot: Inigo93 comments on Found this in my sister's closet while helping her move. What is this hook looking thing for? ... ( http://bit.ly/19pN4vF )

17:10:20 mircea_popescu: aaahgahaha

17:10:23 mircea_popescu: share the sister.

17:10:33 nubbins`: :D

17:11:31 nubbins`: "i'd suggest you put it back and forget about it" haha

17:11:41 felipelalli: ahhahahahahaha

17:11:45 mircea_popescu: !up qntranet

17:11:50 nubbins`: mircea_popescu are you a meat-thermometer type of guy or an "i think it's done now" type of guy

17:11:53 mircea_popescu: "put it back in"

17:11:59 nubbins`: ^^^

17:12:12 mircea_popescu: nubbins` you can't undercook the meat without undercooking the dough is the beauty of it

17:12:21 BingoBoingo: ^

17:12:25 nubbins`: it looks like the ball is removable. i'd get a larger ball, swap it out, THEN put the hook back where i found it.

17:12:30 mircea_popescu: so you know, if it's all gross don't eat it.

17:12:44 nubbins`: mircea_popescu but the dummies on hell's kitchen ALWAYS fuck up the wellington!

17:12:53 mircea_popescu: i tihnk that must be an insider joke

17:12:59 nubbins`: tbf a gremlin is screaming at them to hurry up

17:13:02 Adlai: BingoBoingo: what's the preferred way to encode qntra articles?

17:13:09 Adlai: in terms of footnotes, links, quotes, etc... html?

17:13:10 nubbins`: so i think they just don't give a fuck if it's done or not

17:13:24 mircea_popescu: nubbins` besides, if you're worried use beef

17:13:28 mircea_popescu: then it literally does not matter.

17:13:30 nubbins`: nod

17:13:36 mircea_popescu: "i've seared it, haven't i ?!"

17:13:37 nubbins`: TBF i just use a meat thermometer :P

17:13:45 mircea_popescu: you can't really do that in a dough seal.

17:13:55 nubbins`: not w/o making a steam vent, hey

17:14:18 nubbins`: yeah, i'mma try this.

17:14:29 nubbins`: i've got regular pork tenderloin down to a science

17:14:31 nubbins`: time to up my game

17:14:42 BingoBoingo: Adlai: footnotes inline surrounded by double paren, html format links, bold, other emphasis, mark your blockquotes somehow

17:14:59 nubbins`: haha man these fat fucks moved in a couple houses down. Domino's pizza delivered to the house every day at noon for the past 10 days.

17:15:03 mircea_popescu: nubbins` sauteed mushrooms if you have em

17:15:10 mircea_popescu: thin sliced portobello...

17:15:20 Adlai: so like this((footnote)), for example?

17:15:25 nubbins`: mircea_popescu once the searing is done, i rough-chop an onion and throw that in the cast iron w/ whole baby bella mushrooms

17:15:29 nubbins`: then whole works in oven

17:15:30 BingoBoingo: Adlai: Yeah

17:15:38 mircea_popescu: Adlai no, like this ((footnote))

17:15:41 mircea_popescu: needs the leading space

17:15:58 nubbins`: after you take the pork outta the pan, 1/4 cup red wine to deglaze

17:16:01 mircea_popescu: nubbins` you want them thin slices.

17:16:04 nubbins`: headiest pan sauce ever

17:16:11 mircea_popescu: for wellington i mean

17:16:14 nubbins`: a

17:16:16 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu> needs the leading space << This is what editors are for

17:16:26 nubbins`: i do have some huge portobellos here

17:17:03 *: nubbins` tempted to get a vac sealer for marinating too

17:17:16 nubbins`: plastic bag is meh

17:17:27 mircea_popescu: wine not vinegar.

17:18:21 nubbins`: you know i don't marinate with either?

17:18:24 mircea_popescu: nubbins` btw, you ever had pleurotus ?

17:18:28 nubbins`: nope

17:18:45 nubbins`: oh, oyster mush. yeah.

17:18:50 mircea_popescu: yeah.

17:18:53 mircea_popescu: also works well for this purpose.

17:19:12 mircea_popescu: actually... everything works, really, champignon, boletus...

17:19:21 nubbins`: chanterelles grow wild here

17:19:24 nubbins`: should go foraging

17:19:32 mircea_popescu: it's really the world's most tolerant dish, and it seems so damned fancy.

17:19:48 nubbins`: there's maybe two species of mushrooms that i'd feel safe picking outdoors and eating

17:19:49 mircea_popescu: o yeah. or that one how's it called, midget's trumpet

17:19:49 mircea_popescu: brb

17:20:12 mircea_popescu: craterellus cornucopioides

17:20:23 nubbins`: C. Cantharellus and P. Semilanceata 8)

17:20:30 mircea_popescu: aha!

17:20:38 mircea_popescu: dja get the black chanterelle in canada ?

17:20:39 BingoBoingo: Can never go wrong with Morels

17:21:12 nubbins`: hmm i haven't seen em

17:21:22 nubbins`: but that's not to say they don't grow here!

17:21:25 nubbins`: <--city boy

17:21:50 mircea_popescu: should exist, imo it's pretty much everywhere birch grows

17:21:59 nubbins`: we do have birch

17:22:12 mircea_popescu: little dark looking shits, you wouldn't think asnythingof them

17:22:19 nubbins`: i've prolly walked on them :D

17:22:21 mircea_popescu: but they're very tasty and even age well

17:23:02 chetty: << seriously considers tossing out the meatloaf in the oven and starting over

17:23:22 mircea_popescu: what happened to it /

17:23:40 chetty: nothing but now I am drooling for wellington

17:24:11 nubbins`: wrap it in a pancake.

17:24:13 mircea_popescu: haha tomorrow is another day!

17:24:55 nubbins`: anyway back to where this began

17:25:12 nubbins`: http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/30hdao/whats_the_most_impressive_dish_even_an_idiot_can/

17:25:14 assbot: What's the Most Impressive Dish even an Idiot Can Cook for a Girl He Lied To About Being a Chef? : AskReddit ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxlRET )

17:25:30 nubbins`: Let's say you have a girl coming over for dinner, but you lied to her about taking cooking lessons etc... if you don't know a damn thing about cooking, what's an easy but impressive dish even a moron could make?

17:25:40 nubbins`: look, he thinks that "taking cooking lessons" means you're a CHEF.

17:25:56 nubbins`: just like how taking a first aid course makes you a doctor.

17:26:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 154600 @ 0.00026186 = 40.4836 BTC [-] {2}

17:26:18 nubbins`: listen, kid, you have bigger problems than what's for dinner.

17:26:35 mircea_popescu: maybe he should lie about dinner too.

17:26:39 nubbins`: namely, that your girl is gonna think you have tumbleweeds in your head regardless of what you serve her

17:26:57 nubbins`: one of the suggestions was "tell her you don't mix business with pleasure" and order take-out

17:27:00 nubbins`: lel, +1.

17:27:07 mircea_popescu: nubbins` in my experience, girls, and especially at the age apparent here, couldn't give less of a shit what oyu're saying

17:27:12 mircea_popescu: they're just excited your lips are moving.

17:27:59 mircea_popescu: (if you don't believe me, ask a teenager for a summary of what the boy said on their date. prepare to be amazed - she has nfi.

17:27:59 nubbins`: another guy suggests buying a frozen lasagna and a casserole dish, and faking it

17:28:13 mircea_popescu: then adults derp all over teens for various "Safety consideration".)

17:28:17 nubbins`: "Remember to put all of the packaging in a separate garbage bag, and then dispose of that bag long before she arrives at your place."

17:28:19 nubbins`: hahaha

17:28:27 nubbins`: don't you mean "remember to ask mom if you can use the kitchen"?

17:28:55 mircea_popescu: "mom can I use the kitchen ?" "gtfo you're not having sex in my kitchen"

17:29:01 mircea_popescu: "no mom, i mean use it for cooking"

17:29:03 mircea_popescu: "you can cook ?!"

17:29:24 mircea_popescu: "well... i can't have sex, either! benefit of the suspicion, here!"

17:30:15 mircea_popescu: funny how "i can't cook" means you suck at it, whereas "i can't have sex" means someone's not lettin' you. clearly, i say CLEARLY everyone's great at sex, the impediments can only be evil external stuff.

17:35:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 110050 @ 0.00026147 = 28.7748 BTC [-]

17:36:37 ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-03-2015#1073477 << btw, not a problem if you use gmail as an smtp server instead of as a mail client

17:36:37 assbot: Logged on 27-03-2015 00:49:55; nubbins`: yeah gmail is mangling it, even in plain text

17:39:36 nubbins`: too troo

17:39:46 nubbins`: anyway, got it done ;/

17:39:51 mircea_popescu: !up CartmanGoon

17:40:03 ben_vulpes: this, ftr, is why i use gmail.

17:40:21 ben_vulpes: the notion that an email coming from a gmail server that doesn't bear my signature is actually from me is downright hilarious.

17:40:22 mircea_popescu: because it sucks but it's free ?

17:40:41 ben_vulpes: nono, they come pre-compromised.

17:40:49 mircea_popescu: ah k

17:45:19 nubbins`: Linuxbrew is a fork of Homebrew, the Mac OS package manager, for Linux.

17:45:21 nubbins`: heh what.

17:45:42 *: nubbins` struggles to find appropriate analogy

17:47:17 mike_c: Krafp cheese is a fork of kraft cheese designed to have a shorter shelf life but taste better.

17:48:15 mike_c: no? maybe a stretch.

17:48:20 nubbins`: sorry

17:49:29 nubbins`: hm buildroot wants ncurses-devel which for the life of me i can't find

17:50:00 mircea_popescu: krapf cheese

17:50:06 mircea_popescu: ok, that's chuckleworthy

17:51:11 mircea_popescu: so argentina called for a general strike.

17:51:33 mircea_popescu: because in a country that's essentially living off fumes, the smartest thing to do is ask for more money from the government.

17:52:14 mircea_popescu: i ownder what they'll actually do once the government stops paying salaries outright.

17:52:19 mircea_popescu: not like anyone has a real job anyway.

17:52:41 mike_c: i heard a south american joke about argentina the other day

17:52:45 mircea_popescu: somehow tho i imagine anything sane, like begging while crawling naked in the street is right out

17:52:57 mircea_popescu: after all, argentina is the african country with highest self-respect per capita.

17:53:02 mircea_popescu: which ?

17:53:03 mike_c: "how do you make money off an argentine? you buy them for what they're worth and sell them for what they think they're worth"

17:53:13 mircea_popescu: this is so eerily apt.

17:53:43 mike_c: apparently everyone else in south america already knew this about them :)

17:54:11 mircea_popescu: it's like living in california once all the americans died out and were replaced with spanish speaking italian gypsies.

17:54:26 mike_c: hehe. there you go nubbins`, that's how you do an analogy

17:55:06 mircea_popescu: anyway, something tells me i'ma have a load of fun this year an' the next.

17:55:19 mircea_popescu: only reason i'm even putting up with the idiocy, i really wish to see this collapse.

17:56:51 mircea_popescu: but i tell you, i doubt there was ever a country that so effectually turned innocent goodwill into entrenched aversion.

17:56:56 mircea_popescu: except perhaps hungary or soemthing.

18:01:13 mircea_popescu: but as an amusing bit of color : presidential elections six months away. eight people are candidates - none of them has a running mate.

18:01:26 mircea_popescu: because seriously, what argentine could possibly be second ?!

18:01:58 mircea_popescu: the only reason they even like messi in the first place is a sort of schelling effect : if they all agree he's the forward, it's ok for all the other 10 players not to be the forward.

18:02:12 mircea_popescu: if messi weren't there, you'd have 11 forwards in the team. yes goalkeeper included. what goalkeeping ?!

18:03:53 Adlai: BingoBoingo: can i use <pre>?

18:04:04 BingoBoingo: Adlai: Sure

18:04:16 Adlai: (it's not listen in the tags below the comment box)

18:04:41 BingoBoingo: Adlai: Are you submitting an article or a comment?

18:04:46 Adlai: article

18:05:10 Adlai: re: Tomáš Jiřikovský

18:05:29 BingoBoingo: Ah, yeah articles get to use more tags than comments do

18:05:58 BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field

18:06:55 mircea_popescu: "Today we have taken legal actions against this person and we will charge him for this gossip." lolk

18:07:04 mircea_popescu: is Eva Barto?ov? hot ?

18:07:27 mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jX-w1VHQ4q0 kinda not.

18:07:28 assbot: MEDIÁCIA namiesto súdu - Mgr. Eva Bartošová - mediátorka.mpg - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bu6ExN )

18:09:16 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: ar collapse << and the americans won't buy it up at firesale like every other turd world collapsatron?

18:09:43 ascii_field: i mean, this is sorta their planetary business model

18:09:47 mircea_popescu: i dunno.

18:10:01 ascii_field: 1) set it on fire 2) wait for fire sale 3) buy 4) ??? 5) profit (tm)

18:10:05 mircea_popescu: atm prices are about 2-300% inflated, easy.

18:10:18 mircea_popescu: for one thing, you can blame the us for anything you wish, but the argentine disaster is 100% argentine made.

18:10:22 mircea_popescu: they wouldn't have it any other way.

18:10:38 ascii_field: y'know, letting idiots set own house on fire is the best arson

18:10:59 mircea_popescu: i'm mildly suprised there's not five million .ar mpexes etc, they seem exactly the right idiots to make glbse shitcascades.

18:11:09 mircea_popescu: "letting" ? cmon.

18:11:24 ascii_field: 'letting' as in 'live and let die'

18:11:50 mircea_popescu: right. anyway, it will have to fall a long looong way before it gets anywhere usians will want to buy.

18:12:07 mircea_popescu: why exactly spend 150k for an apt in argentina when 30k gets you a house in ohio ?

18:12:32 mircea_popescu: anyway brb

18:17:20 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> why exactly spend 150k for an apt in argentina when 30k gets you a house in ohio ? << Argentina, less collapsed than Ohio!!!

18:18:31 ascii_field: the 150k might be a deal

18:18:49 Adlai: BingoBoingo: how's this: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=fgLwuvLj

18:18:50 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gxo2ID )

18:18:50 ascii_field: if mircea_popescu was right about being able to live like a culture man for a few k-usd/yr

18:19:29 ascii_field: (try that in ohio!)

18:23:18 BingoBoingo: Adlai: I can't decrypt that for some reason

18:24:02 Adlai: cazalla: can you?

18:24:11 BingoBoingo: ascii_field: A large part of being a culture man is knowing not to live in Ohio

18:24:16 Adlai: it should be viewable by BingoBoingo, cazalla, and me

18:25:05 Adlai: F3251143 for BingoBoingo, 468F4AD0 for cazalla

18:25:21 ascii_field: BingoBoingo: say you had 1M usd. fell down from sky. you could blow 30k in ohio, and live like a pauper on the meagre sub-inflation interest off the rest in american bank. or blow 150k in ar and invest in collapsatron and live like cultured man ? possibly

18:25:39 *: ascii_field entirely clueless re: ar, it may as well be on alpha centauri to him

18:25:41 BingoBoingo: ascii_field: I'd take Argentina

18:26:04 BingoBoingo: Adlai: Are you using any weird GPG v2 only features?

18:26:10 Adlai: mmmaybe?

18:28:18 BingoBoingo: Perhaps try again just encrypting to my key. No signing.

18:28:20 Adlai: BingoBoingo: how's http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=5XQavzhB

18:28:22 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bu7WsJ )

18:29:15 BingoBoingo: Oh, that worked much better

18:30:58 Adlai: BingoBoingo: actually please delete "Czech" from the sentence where it appears five bazillion times, once is probably enough

18:33:32 BingoBoingo: Adlai: What word is w|% supposed to be?

18:33:43 BingoBoingo: third word in the piece

18:33:57 Adlai: where does that appear?

18:34:29 mike_c: right after the second word.

18:34:35 Adlai: ah. "who'se"

18:34:39 Adlai: er, who's

18:35:15 *: Adlai blames hanewin

18:35:39 BingoBoingo: Seems more likely a fancy quote problem

18:37:38 BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field Adlai, what is "JiYikovsk aftSi CEN equivalent" supposed to actuall read?

18:39:38 ascii_field: wai wat

18:39:43 ascii_field: where

18:39:57 Adlai: ok, hanewin definitely butchered stuff

18:40:00 BingoBoingo: ascii_field: In Adlai's piece

18:40:13 Adlai: "Czech FINCEN equivalent ((Finančního Analytického Útvaru)) "

18:40:24 BingoBoingo: Adlai: Just email it to me unencrypted.

18:41:56 ascii_field: financial-analytical-directorate ?

18:42:02 BingoBoingo: ascii_field: I just used the rest of the space in the up message to ping Adlai, because

18:42:10 ascii_field: aha

18:42:51 Adlai: BingoBoingo: sent

18:45:17 BingoBoingo: Adlai: Can you email it and let the text wrap like god intended pls

18:45:32 Adlai: how about i just attach the document so gmail doesn't fuck with it

18:45:52 BingoBoingo: works

18:49:34 ascii_field: http://buildroot.uclibc.org/downloads/manual/manual.html << therealbitcoin folks - study it

18:49:39 assbot: The Buildroot user manual ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bu9jHO )

18:50:43 *: mod6 looks

18:51:24 mod6: bro you type fast

18:51:38 BingoBoingo: Adlai: http://qntra.net/2015/03/sheep-marketplace-arrest/

18:51:39 assbot: Sheep Marketplace Arrest | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bu9pPF )

18:52:04 ascii_field: mod6: 'buildroot' is a classical item, i had nothing to do with its authorship

18:52:29 Adlai: "by Bingo Boingo"?

18:52:49 BingoBoingo: dammit, will fx

18:52:53 mod6: ascii_field: i know, im just giving you a hard time :)

18:53:09 Adlai: thx

18:53:12 *: Adlai dogwalk

18:53:46 ascii_field: BingoBoingo: item 9

18:53:50 ascii_field: BingoBoingo: missing line break

18:54:37 Adlai: BingoBoingo: oh also, the link to gwern's pgp info didn't get through

18:55:19 Adlai: bleh, blockquote cite attributes don't show up anywhere?

18:56:28 BingoBoingo: <Adlai> bleh, blockquote cite attributes don't show up anywhere? << We don't do that fancy, but at least your name's on it nao

18:57:25 Adlai: sure, thanks, but the links should be there for people who want to check sources. i can email you a link with explicit links

18:57:37 Adlai: s/a link/version/

18:57:47 BingoBoingo: email link version pls

19:02:51 thestringpuller: scoopbot ain't doin it's job again?

19:05:14 cazalla: Adlai, decrypted fine for me

19:05:51 Adlai: blame bingo :P

19:06:02 cazalla: thestringpuller, has scoop bot ever done his job? :P

19:08:30 danielpbarron: i think he got lost in a netsplit

19:11:45 danielpbarron: or its been gone since the 24th .. grep comes out order

19:11:58 nubbins`: i'm stalled out on buildroot

19:12:21 nubbins`: dem missing dependencies

19:12:53 nubbins`: not much info on buildroot w/ darwin host

19:13:14 BingoBoingo: ascii_field> BingoBoingo: missing line break << Historical document line break missing in original, also part of historical document, bad signature

19:14:51 BingoBoingo: Sorry, good signature

19:18:44 nubbins`: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Board_support_package

19:18:45 assbot: Board support package - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bub083 )

19:19:29 mats: http://www.deepdotweb.com/2015/03/27/breaking-sheep-marketplace-owner-arrested/

19:19:30 assbot: Breaking: Sheep Marketplace Owner Arrested - Deep Dot Web ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bub1cf )

19:19:43 mats: another amateur pwned

19:19:48 nubbins`: am i remiss in thinking turdel will fit this def? ^

19:20:14 Adlai: mats: qntra just covered this!

19:20:41 mats: o

19:21:02 Adlai: :P

19:21:45 BingoBoingo: More lulz http://gawminers.eu redirects to the "independent" coinstand market pumping their scamcoin

19:21:45 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gxrnaq )

19:23:11 thestringpuller: cazalla: MP thinks it is.

19:23:15 thestringpuller: !s scoopbot working

19:23:16 assbot: 5 results for 'scoopbot working' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=scoopbot+working

19:24:41 nubbins`: http://i.imgur.com/5N9dLKz.png

19:24:42 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxrsuX )

19:24:52 nubbins`: lel @ 3rd photo on top

19:24:53 nubbins`: my sides.

19:26:21 danielpbarron: they got the same size bewbs

19:27:35 BingoBoingo: That thing where they have the same boobs is incredibly creepy

19:29:42 nubbins`: http://imgur.com/GPQNTok

19:29:43 assbot: Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxrCCx )

19:35:06 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

19:35:10 ascii_field: nubbins`: yes, it's a board pkg.

19:35:34 ascii_field: nubbins`: possibly later tonight will post a scriptable set of diffs, portatron-style

19:35:57 nubbins`: oo

19:37:15 ascii_field: https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/15463 << l0ltr0n1c

19:37:18 assbot: #15463 (Tor deals poorly with a very large number of incoming connection requests.) – Tor Bug Tracker & Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxrTFs )

19:41:19 trinque: +cazalla | thestringpuller, has scoop bot ever done his job? :P << tenyks has an rss thing I think

19:41:23 trinque: would be trivial to crap one together

19:43:18 danielpbarron: what is it with these exit scammers trying to cash out in FIAT?

19:43:40 trinque: https://github.com/kyleterry/tenyks-contrib/blob/master/src/tenyksfeeds/main.py << there someone rewrite scoopbot in an afternoon

19:43:43 assbot: tenyks-contrib/main.py at master · kyleterry/tenyks-contrib · GitHub

19:44:49 nubbins`: <+danielpbarron> what is it with these exit scammers trying to cash out in FIAT? <<< right?

19:45:12 nubbins`: "the government definitely won't be curious about $40m in unexplained income"

19:45:25 nubbins`: bbl

19:45:42 trinque: >wants bitcoin because valuable as demonimated in paper currency

19:45:47 trinque: >deserves whatever happens next

19:52:34 ascii_field: http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/03/26/congresswoman-claims-climate-change-will-turn-women-into-prostitutes << mega-l0l!!

19:52:35 assbot: CA Dem Warns Global Warming Will Make Women Prostitutes ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxsvLc )

19:52:38 ascii_field: ^ mircea_popescu

19:53:27 trinque: ascii_field: holy shit the video

19:53:31 trinque: it's some rapper guy wit bitches

19:54:23 trinque: to say nothing of california using less water, eh?

20:06:15 chetty: !up ascii_field

20:07:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96482 @ 0.00026549 = 25.615 BTC [+]

20:09:18 trinque: this chinese botnet wants our bitcoin so bad...

20:09:26 trinque: no coin in that box you fucks :D

20:13:48 punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CAZWbIxWwAA5xPS.jpg

20:13:49 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxuqQ2 )

20:14:22 ascii_field: wat

20:14:29 punkman: I dunno

20:14:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46818 @ 0.00026549 = 12.4297 BTC [+]

20:17:03 nubbins`: my kingdom for osx-targeted ncurses-devel!

20:18:47 nubbins`: i suppose i can just download the regular one and squash as i go

20:19:49 trinque: oh hey, pogo and sd card are to be delivered today

20:19:56 trinque: amazon uber alles

20:21:31 nubbins`: nb

20:21:58 trinque: got the cheapest shipping too

20:27:59 nubbins`: didja get the purple or blue

20:30:27 funkenstein_: anybody sync a node yet?

20:32:17 nubbins`: still pulling blocks

20:34:51 nubbins`: danielpbarron is in the 300k range on one of his

20:35:46 danielpbarron: i see no reason for it to not fully sync at this point

20:36:19 funkenstein_: i got 280k and counting

20:36:27 nubbins`: !up ascii_field

20:36:50 danielpbarron: the version i'm running is not the latest release though

20:36:58 nubbins`: i keep running my battery down to 0% which tends to make me have to rescan everything

20:37:12 funkenstein_: there is no "getpeerinfo"

20:38:04 *: nubbins` is assuming just deleting blkindex.dat is good enough

20:39:17 BingoBoingo: FU AP Styleguide trying to kill sportswriting https://twitter.com/tschmedding/status/581470736654737409/photo/1

20:39:19 assbot: Whoa. /APStylebook revamps sports, brings from 1950s to 2010s. /hashtag/ACES2015?src=hash http://t.co/W3jPZHneYv

20:39:24 mod6: <+funkenstein_> anybody sync a node yet? << i have a lot of times, probably at least 15 times since october. but... not a pogo. just the R.I. on a linux install.

20:39:54 funkenstein_: mod6, thanks good to hear it

20:40:30 mod6: can you do me a favor?

20:40:32 funkenstein_: and you have put some sample TXs through it?

20:40:36 funkenstein_: sure

20:40:56 mod6: do you still have the link to the pastebin stuff you gave me for your ubuntu build?

20:41:06 mod6: i was thinking about including some of that info in the monthly address.

20:41:19 mod6: yeah, tested send/recieve. lemme see if I can find you a link.

20:41:30 mod6: (i have a recent one, but not on this machine atm)

20:41:48 funkenstein_: http://dpaste.com/1EP63W5

20:41:50 assbot: dpaste: 1EP63W5: release notes, by funkenstein ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gxw0kR )

20:42:32 nubbins`: mod6 plz to emphasize that osx patch does not come with official nintendo seal of quality

20:43:19 nubbins`: i should also prolly resend that email with a subject so it doesn't get lost. right now it shows up as a reply to some other no-subject post

20:45:34 mod6: here it is funkenstein_: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=ny9m6Q3R

20:45:35 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxwlnL )

20:45:49 mod6: shows send/recieve on the 64 bit static binary

20:46:36 mod6: nubbins`: np. i think it's just good to get it in the list for now. later we can take it, massage whatever is needed and get it into a proper patch and test it.

20:46:45 funkenstein_: whee look at that, cooking with gas

20:46:46 nubbins`: k

20:47:25 mod6: yikes that paste expires in 1 day lol. thanks though funkenstein_, I'll save it locally so i've got it.

20:48:10 danielpbarron: https://archive.today/http://dpaste.com/1EP63W5

20:48:10 assbot: http://dpaste.com/1EP63W5: dpaste: 1EP63W5: release notes, by funkenstein ... ( http://bit.ly/1F21ePe )

20:48:29 funkenstein_: if it was useful i could test on fedora

20:48:36 mod6: so it turns out that debian didn't need the -nodnsseed flag, but gentoo did just like you ran into with ubuntu, i wanna make a comment on that in the address perhaps.

20:48:50 funkenstein_: hmm i didn't get my debian box to build

20:48:50 mod6: oh thanks danielpbarron

20:49:04 mod6: what debian? (we test on deb6)

20:49:11 funkenstein_: debian8

20:49:30 mod6: ah. ok. well, maybe I can give it a shot at some point. or help you out with it.

20:49:33 funkenstein_: but likely the issue is my build environment

20:49:50 funkenstein_: i'm not going to run it there anyway, it was just for test

20:50:01 mod6: well, thanks for testing anyway. appreciate it!

20:50:17 nubbins`: re: fedora, why not!

20:50:31 funkenstein_: i'll give it a go :)

20:53:38 funkenstein_: speaking of testing i have an escrow site I've been trying to make usable

20:53:53 funkenstein_: request for comment : 2crow.org

20:54:45 nubbins`: hmm initial scan from test machine shows malware behind that link

20:55:08 nubbins`: nah, i'm just kidding.

20:59:49 funkenstein_: nah I add that in later nubbins ;)

21:00:00 thestringpuller: nubbins` is always joking about dead bodies and cocaine in trunk of car as we cross border

21:00:08 thestringpuller: says, "But it was funny."

21:07:38 BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field

21:09:14 funkenstein_: hmm builds proceeding. funny thing is i never got any coins to build on fedora20x64

21:10:25 nubbins`: what do you mean

21:10:35 nubbins`: oh, sorry

21:10:37 nubbins`: parse error

21:10:41 ascii_field: ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al: who wants to consider tossing the wallet code from pogo variant of 0.5.3 ? it's dead weight

21:10:48 *: nubbins` raises hand

21:10:56 funkenstein_: the trouble with a reference implemention is https://xkcd.com/927/

21:10:57 assbot: xkcd: Standards ... ( http://bit.ly/1F23wxR )

21:10:58 nubbins`: like you said, what's a wallet without rng

21:11:24 ascii_field: the jurist term is 'attractive nuisance' iirc.

21:11:43 BingoBoingo: Seems prudent to excise it

21:11:47 ascii_field: like a power saw left unwatched for children to play with

21:12:10 BingoBoingo: Nah, the powersaw is safer and people tend to learn from that

21:13:35 thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: tell that to beavis >> http://s965.photobucket.com/user/TimeCaptured/media/saw1.png.html

21:15:50 mike_c: but, now a separate pogo branch must be maintained?

21:17:22 *: ascii_field would maintain it

21:17:24 mike_c: does the -disablewallet config switch exist in this version? that would be easier way to prevent children from playing with matches

21:17:39 ascii_field: mike_c: would like to cut some footprint

21:17:48 mike_c: i thought it was like 5.5mb.

21:18:08 ascii_field: mike_c: the buildroot i have is theoretically retargetable to multiple cpu archs and boards with minimal effort

21:18:28 ascii_field: mike_c: i have several candidates for replacement of 'pogo' if something 'happens to' our supply.

21:18:28 punkman: we don't really want wallet code in regular bitcoind anyway

21:18:34 ascii_field: ^

21:19:25 mike_c: yeah, fine, but that's different from starting a pogo branch. if it gets cut from master branch, problem solved (if there is a problem?)

21:19:46 mike_c: ascii_field: you saying that cutting it makes it more portable? or just easier to fit on smaller arch.

21:20:01 ascii_field: mike_c: would like to fit on boards with 8M rom

21:20:22 ascii_field: but more general principle

21:20:28 mike_c: ok, so cut it later when we have a 8m device we want to fit it on.

21:20:28 ascii_field: smaller -> more auditable.

21:20:49 nubbins`: hmm

21:20:51 ascii_field: but i will leave this for the folks whose project it actually is, to decide

21:20:57 punkman: maybe add my mining-snip patch too

21:21:09 nubbins`: suppose instead of -disablewallet, flip the bit and make it -enablewallet?

21:21:14 ascii_field: punkman: for the wallet-less version, would be logical. (how can mine without wallet ?)

21:21:15 nubbins`: short-term

21:21:26 ascii_field: or i suppose you could...

21:21:28 nubbins`: make wallet=off the default while we decide when to trim

21:21:40 nubbins`: in a perfect world, remove_wallet.patch

21:22:04 nubbins`: included as an "extra" in -RELEASE.tar.gz

21:22:13 mike_c: short-term (i.e. pogo) solution is to run bitcoind with the config switch. in the near future the foundation will remove the wallet and miner and then it will be smaller around the same time we want to fit it on a 8m device.

21:22:15 nubbins`: (/me imagines makefile.osx in same "extra"

21:22:17 mike_c: serendipity will prevail

21:23:08 mike_c: of course, i use 'we' loosely since all i've done is buy a pogo and wait.

21:23:15 nubbins`: ^ +1

21:23:16 nubbins`: 8)

21:29:12 Adlai: ascii_field: mining only needs an output script for the coinbase

21:33:29 nubbins`: what's the endian-ness of the pogo's arm, big?

21:35:30 ascii_field: Adlai: yes i remembered

21:35:36 ascii_field: nubbins`: selectable

21:35:44 ascii_field: nubbins`: little-endian by default

21:35:50 nubbins`: i'll stick with that

21:36:11 ascii_field: (most recent embedded system-on-chip are selectably-endian)

21:36:34 nubbins`: you have a buildroot .config you can pop up somewhere?

21:36:55 ascii_field: nubbins`: it's a mega-turd. not just one config, but four, and they have to be packaged in a certain way

21:37:03 ascii_field: ideally will wrap this up tonight

21:37:12 nubbins`: lovely

21:37:32 ascii_field: i want folks building their own pogo runtimes soon.

21:37:37 nubbins`: finally got buildroot nut cracked here

21:37:52 nubbins`: s/make menuconfig/make nconfig

21:37:55 ascii_field: so that i can, perhaps, escape the chore of figuring out why sata refuses to init

21:38:09 ascii_field: and how to read the pushbutton and toggle the lamp

21:38:29 nubbins`: !up ascii_field

21:38:35 ascii_field: all else - works

21:38:42 ascii_field: (hardware-wise)

21:39:07 ascii_field: did cut a bunch of irrelevant crud from the kernel (keyboards, mice, sound cards, etc)

21:39:15 nubbins`: i'll take a peek at the light and button stuff, seems straight-forward

21:39:28 ascii_field: nubbins`: like sata, it mysteriously fails to work

21:39:36 ascii_field: that is, i have the marvell config flags set

21:39:42 ascii_field: but no devices appear for them

21:40:20 ascii_field: anyone who is planning to screw with the kernel, -must- have tftp set up

21:40:29 ascii_field: otherwise the debug loop is unbearably tedious

21:41:03 ascii_field: i, for example, only need to cycle power to the 'pogo' to test a newly-built turdel.

21:41:20 trinque: flight 9525 seems a great way to argue "see, this is why we need to be able to remote-control planes"

21:41:44 ascii_field: trinque: the remotes -were put in-, by and large across the board, in '01-03

21:42:02 trinque: ascii_field: saw the link re: boeing I think it was

21:42:22 ascii_field: trinque: how well they work, and when they are used, and who orders it - i do not know.

21:42:49 ben_vulpes: <funkenstein_> anybody sync a node yet? << a few, yeah

21:43:25 trinque: ascii_field: got any search terms which will conjure that link from the logs?

21:43:55 ascii_field: trinque: not from memory, no

21:44:15 ben_vulpes: <ascii_field> ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al: who wants to consider tossing the wallet code from pogo variant of 0.5.3 ? it's dead weight << don't see why not

21:44:33 ascii_field: ben_vulpes: someone did suggest a good reason why not - the chore of maintaining two branches

21:44:40 ben_vulpes: <funkenstein_> the trouble with a reference implemention is https://xkcd.com/927/ << no, this is a consensus project.

21:44:41 assbot: xkcd: Standards ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nkay4G )

21:44:46 ben_vulpes: oh, we're not maintaining 2 branches already?

21:45:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 171606 @ 0.00026574 = 45.6026 BTC [+] {2}

21:45:30 ben_vulpes: i kid, i kid.

21:46:01 ben_vulpes: <mike_c> short-term (i.e. pogo) solution is to run bitcoind with the config switch. in the near future the foundation will remove the wallet << oh we will?

21:46:14 mike_c: didn't you just say you would?

21:46:24 ben_vulpes: "pogo variant"

21:46:47 mike_c: oh. i thought somebody said it was on your todo list.

21:47:18 ben_vulpes: but as asciilifeform's said before, the RI has to parachute into mars, bitcoinating

21:47:20 ben_vulpes: yeah, it's down at 12

21:47:32 ben_vulpes: 'cause needs discussion.

21:47:43 ben_vulpes: on one hand yeah - what is a wallet doing in there?

21:47:49 ben_vulpes: on the other hand - what else is one going to do?

21:48:18 mike_c: uh, run a pogo

21:48:46 ben_vulpes: cant' use a pogo to send btc

21:49:28 mike_c: right. that's what one is going to do with a wallet.

21:49:28 Chillum: I am about to see if a Raspberry Pi 2 can run a full node. The Pi 1 starts to crap out around mid 2014

21:49:39 Chillum: compiling now

21:49:57 mike_c: the separate RI wallet binary could talk to RI bitcoind to send btc

21:50:08 ben_vulpes: mike_c: what i mean to say is that the reference implementation only bears the wallet by virtue of there being no other thing that serves as a wallet.

21:50:19 ben_vulpes: yeah, "could".

21:50:27 ben_vulpes: someday.

21:50:36 ascii_field: suggestion - we #ifdef it.

21:50:51 mike_c: (and double the test matrix)

21:50:52 ascii_field: much as i despise #ifdef

21:51:07 trinque: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=03-03-2015#1039405 << there's the one, 777 boeing hax keywords yay

21:51:07 assbot: Logged on 03-03-2015 06:35:11; asciilifeform: decimation: https://www.federalregister.gov/articles/2013/11/18/2013-27343/special-conditions-boeing-model-777-200--300-and--300er-series-airplanes-aircraft-electronic-system << lulzies !

21:51:44 mike_c: thing is, one could clone the code, rip out most of the stuff that wasn't the wallet, and voila, new binary that is a wallet.

21:51:57 ascii_field: mike_c: not quite

21:51:58 mike_c: it would be a bad wallet, but it would be a start

21:52:09 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: and this to reduce size of bitcoind binary?

21:52:24 ascii_field: ben_vulpes: that, and remove the 'attractive nuisance'

21:52:33 ben_vulpes: the latter i don't care too much about.

21:52:36 mike_c: to be clear, ben_vulpes, this is for future unspecified project to create node out of smaller device than pogo

21:52:48 ben_vulpes: ah

21:53:05 ben_vulpes: fuck it, ship it.

21:53:12 mike_c: that's what i said :)

21:53:17 ben_vulpes: "overengineering is like cocaine"

21:53:20 funkenstein_: you could make an SPV node with no wallet

21:53:43 ben_vulpes: funkenstein_: what.

21:54:15 funkenstein_: it would be pretty useless but you could make it small :)

21:54:17 ascii_field: self-propelled vehicle?

21:54:29 ben_vulpes: "simple payment verification"

21:54:33 ascii_field: waat

21:54:34 ben_vulpes: is that the headers-only thing?

21:54:48 ben_vulpes: bitcoin in the swear jar, funkenstein_

21:54:53 ascii_field: fuck it up its arse with a reciprocating saw

21:55:11 ascii_field: !s fucksaw

21:55:12 assbot: 0 results for 'fucksaw' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=fucksaw

21:55:15 ascii_field: waaaat

21:55:18 ascii_field: ;;google fucksaw

21:55:19 gribble: America's Greatest University Demonstrates 'Fucksaw' For ... - Gawker: http://gawker.com/5774501/americas-greatest-university-demonstrates-fucksaw-for-captivated-students; Amazon.com: Fuck Saw Adapter: Health & Personal Care: http://www.amazon.com/Rupert-Huse-Son-Inc-Adapter/dp/B00DF55CJQ; JT's Stockroom - Fuck Saw: http://www.stockroom.com/Fuck-Saw-P2931.aspx

21:56:13 ben_vulpes: anyways, re wallet, meh in general and too soon in specific methinks.

21:56:39 ben_vulpes: rip out json/rpc and replace it with a thing i can call that vomits forth formatted blocks first

21:57:08 ben_vulpes: pogo's not my baby by any stretch of the imagination, but doing anything but getting them running seems like unnecessary yak shaving.

21:57:24 ascii_field: ben_vulpes: if you or anyone else has spare time - i recommend taking a look at the bastard blocks thing

21:57:42 ben_vulpes: bastards though, is at the *top* of the todo list.

21:57:42 funkenstein_: mod6: build error on a fedora box: dpaste.com/28E8Z9X

21:58:06 ascii_field: ben_vulpes: getting them running... << have you tried 'turdel' demo ?

21:58:15 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: pogo's in the mail.

21:58:19 ascii_field: Aha

21:58:34 funkenstein_: what are bastard blocks?

21:58:45 ben_vulpes: blocks with no chain ancestry.

21:58:51 ben_vulpes: they build up in memory, leading to OOM kills.

21:59:27 ben_vulpes: naive backport entails picking a random bastard and nuking its whole chain

21:59:35 ben_vulpes: (if i read the cee pee pee correctly)

21:59:58 ben_vulpes: anyways, i must off.

22:00:08 funkenstein_: thanks, i will read up

22:00:11 ascii_field: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-January/000038.html << reading material

22:00:12 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1yUtLEL )

22:02:15 danielpbarron: i have to periodically restart bitcoind on my pogos

22:02:21 danielpbarron: because of the bastards

22:05:57 funkenstein_: so these have been requested from other nodes the we aren't ready for them yet?

22:06:19 funkenstein_: *but we aren't ready for them yet?

22:06:24 ascii_field: danielpbarron: aside from the nondeterminism and potential for random db corruption, the bastards thing makes it entirely impossible to use the otherwise perfectly adequate 32M machines

22:07:51 danielpbarron: i do the restarts manually, as i keep an eye on them nearly all day; i use the restart as an opportunity to back up the block database of the solid state pogo

22:08:31 funkenstein_: i set a script with bitcoind stop, sleep, and restart, and put it in crontab

22:08:54 danielpbarron: that'll probably be the shipped sollution

22:11:41 funkenstein_: has anyone tried btcd the go node?

22:15:35 trinque: felipelalli: ^ thanks for alerting me

22:15:40 trinque: !up felipelalli

22:15:48 felipelalli: no worries!

22:24:50 cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-03-2015#1074727 <<< my money is on her never to return here

22:24:50 assbot: Logged on 27-03-2015 16:59:53; mircea_popescu: ;;seen brendafdez

22:25:38 mike_c: did she ragequit?

22:27:06 cazalla: mike_c, not that i know of

22:27:33 cazalla: but now that es.qntra.net was put together for her, she's absent

22:27:51 mike_c: hehe. always a good way to make someone leave. "here's some work"

22:29:46 BingoBoingo: ;;seen brendafdez

22:29:46 gribble: brendafdez was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 23 hours, 24 minutes, and 1 second ago: <brendafdez> mircea_popescu it works now. Anyway the IP I'm on now is one of a public AP, it shouldnt be whitelisted. I'll later give you my home IP, and BingoBoingo has my VPS IP already. I didn't know you were filtering.

22:30:16 cazalla: maybe i'm too quick to pull the trigger on that one, but we'll see

22:30:56 BingoBoingo: Maybe the CIA got her to prevent Qntra influence in Latin America

22:31:25 Chillum: damn compiling bitcoind on the pi2 takes hours

22:31:53 Chillum: bitcoin-0.10.0 that is

22:36:10 trinque: pogo plug...er.. plugged.

22:36:24 trinque: I'll turdel it this evening

22:41:40 danielpbarron: i think he'll come back

22:42:08 danielpbarron: we are facebook friendz

22:42:47 BingoBoingo: !b 2

22:42:50 assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/34HQR4Q.txt )

22:43:38 trinque: danielpbarron: got a link to the pogo instructions?

22:44:46 trinque: found

22:45:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 701 @ 0.03 = 21.03 BTC [-] {2}

22:46:11 mircea_popescu: cazalla mine too.

22:47:03 danielpbarron: heh i was just updating that, trinque. -> http://danielpbarron.com/pogo/howto.txt

22:47:04 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1BL8NFe )

22:47:04 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so what's so wrong with prostitution ?

22:47:13 danielpbarron: i added tftp instructions

22:47:14 mircea_popescu: better than turning them into congresswhomen

22:47:18 trinque: danielpbarron: thanks!

22:47:45 trinque: I should've ordered the usb->serial guy too

22:47:59 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dun see problem with wallet snip either.

22:50:08 danielpbarron: as long as you don't mess it up, it should be possible to do it without the serial connection

22:50:41 trinque: danielpbarron: https url to enable ssh doesn't work

22:50:53 danielpbarron: on what?

22:50:54 danielpbarron: my site?

22:50:55 trinque: when replaced with http it farts out html saying use https

22:50:58 trinque: nah the pogo

22:51:35 Chillum: yay I got bitcoind running

22:51:48 danielpbarron: did you put your ip address in there?

22:51:52 trinque: heh yes I did

22:52:01 trinque: and got html back with http://

22:52:10 ben_vulpes: Chillum: why are you bothering with 0.10.0?

22:53:21 Chillum: is that not the latest version?

22:53:25 danielpbarron: what do you mean "doesn't work" ? trinque

22:53:46 trinque: danielpbarron: connection refused when hitting the enable ssh URL via https

22:54:32 trinque: only ports 80 and 3333 are open on the thing

22:54:35 trinque: not 443

22:55:00 danielpbarron: curl -k "https://root:ceadmin@XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX/sqdiag/HBPlug?action=command&command=dropbear%20start";

22:55:05 danielpbarron: you're doing this ? ^

22:55:13 trinque: yeah with my 10.0.0.somethin

22:55:27 mircea_popescu: Chillum it may be the latest verion on a meanwhile abandoned bitcoin fork pushed by very dubious characters.

22:55:38 danielpbarron: trinque, what does your pogo look like?

22:55:45 trinque: it's the pink logo one

22:55:50 trinque: I'll check the hardware rev

22:56:37 danielpbarron: it looks like this? -> http://asset2.cbsistatic.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim/2011/12/13/Pogoplug_Series_4_35099306_04_1_610x458.jpg

22:56:39 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxH5SU )

22:56:39 trinque: POGO-V4-A3-01

22:56:48 trinque: yup

22:56:52 danielpbarron: also a demonstration of where the sata drive goes, for those who haven't seen yet

22:57:23 mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-03-2015#1075019 << have the paycoins reached whatever yet ?

22:57:23 assbot: Logged on 27-03-2015 19:21:45; BingoBoingo: More lulz http://gawminers.eu redirects to the "independent" coinstand market pumping their scamcoin

22:57:42 Chillum: mircea_popescu: what would you recommend?

22:57:58 mircea_popescu: the bitcoin foundation releases.

22:58:11 mircea_popescu: http://thebitcoin.foundation/ <

22:58:12 assbot: ..::[ The Bitcoin Foundation ]::.. ... ( http://bit.ly/1AyGpur )

22:58:45 trinque: danielpbarron: do I have to "activate" this thing before that url becomes available?

22:59:13 Chillum: looks legit...

22:59:35 danielpbarron: trinque, no; that url is supposed to let you bypass having to activate

22:59:35 ben_vulpes: Chillum: not enough rounded corners for your taste?

23:00:03 danielpbarron: i wonder if they are shipping a different version or something

23:00:15 danielpbarron: i have yet to encounter a stock pogo that that url didn't work on

23:00:20 Chillum: I prefer all flash websites

23:00:23 trinque: hm, well hardware rev's in the logs

23:00:25 Chillum: (kidding)

23:00:29 trinque: I'll see what the software rev is on th inside

23:01:41 mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-03-2015#1075044 << this entire "explained income" bs is bs.

23:01:41 assbot: Logged on 27-03-2015 19:45:12; nubbins`: "the government definitely won't be curious about $40m in unexplained income"

23:01:56 mircea_popescu: who the fuck explains their income ? they think they got a case, let them make the fucking case.

23:02:28 ben_vulpes: in the states, if they think they have a case they freeze your assets.

23:03:28 mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-03-2015#1075058 << 19yo virgin angry at school because it could not possibly be his fault he's not getting any ?

23:03:28 assbot: Logged on 27-03-2015 20:13:48; punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CAZWbIxWwAA5xPS.jpg

23:03:40 trinque: danielpbarron: in messing with cables, my router came up after the pogo

23:03:46 trinque: pogo was mad about this for some reason, yet got an IP

23:03:56 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes kinda why we don't want the states to survive, innit.

23:03:58 trinque: rebooted the pogo, light on the front went green, and the curl worked

23:04:03 danielpbarron: lol

23:04:10 trinque: might be good in the docs to say "make sure light's green, idiot"

23:04:12 trinque: :D

23:04:16 trinque: otherwise reboot it

23:04:17 danielpbarron: okie doke

23:04:24 mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-03-2015#1075064 << so far being on apple is such a blessing for nubsy

23:04:24 assbot: Logged on 27-03-2015 20:18:47; nubbins`: i suppose i can just download the regular one and squash as i go

23:04:29 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: I LOVE MY BENEVOLENT OVERLORDS

23:04:43 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: YOU WON'T GET ME TO SAY ANYTHING NEGATIVE ABOUT THEM

23:05:02 ben_vulpes: !raet bahahara 10 warrior of justice

23:05:04 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes you know they fucked ben affleck.

23:05:08 trinque: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2BfqDUPL1I

23:05:09 assbot: The Whitest Kids U' Know - Pledge of Allegiance - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxI6KI )

23:05:14 mircea_popescu: i mean mutt damon

23:05:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 129800 @ 0.0002614 = 33.9297 BTC [-] {4}

23:05:46 ben_vulpes: matt derpin

23:06:39 jurov: soo.. i have mixed sheepmarketplace and bitcash.cz

23:06:45 mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-03-2015#1075082 << confirmed.

23:06:45 assbot: Logged on 27-03-2015 20:39:24; mod6: <+funkenstein_> anybody sync a node yet? << i have a lot of times, probably at least 15 times since october. but... not a pogo. just the R.I. on a linux install.

23:07:04 mircea_popescu: jurov mixed ?

23:07:14 jurov: mixed up

23:07:55 mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-03-2015#1075089 << i've never used anything in the 7 branch or later. nor do i intend to ever do.

23:07:55 assbot: Logged on 27-03-2015 20:41:19; mod6: yeah, tested send/recieve. lemme see if I can find you a link.

23:08:02 jurov: http://qntra.net/2015/03/sheep-marketplace-arrest/ vs http://qntra.net/2015/03/czech-ministry-fingers-heist-suspect/

23:08:02 assbot: Sheep Marketplace Arrest | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxIsBb )

23:08:03 assbot: Czech Ministry Fingers Heist Suspect | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxIsBf )

23:08:17 jurov: it's the same incident

23:08:47 trinque: the PogoPlug is meant to share files on a cloud or something << ehhehehe

23:11:04 mircea_popescu: jurov oh it is ? send an update/errata/we wouldja

23:12:04 jurov: only errata needed it's about sheep marketplace, not bitcash

23:12:37 mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-03-2015#1075117 << the problem with automated escrow is that well... it doesn't actually work too well as a principle. you need a human in the loop, basically.

23:12:37 assbot: Logged on 27-03-2015 20:53:53; funkenstein_: request for comment : 2crow.org

23:13:37 mircea_popescu: kinda why "multisig" stuff isn't taking off, in spite of all the power ranger effort dedicated at pushing that particular mudball uphill.

23:15:44 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> ... have the paycoins reached whatever yet ? << Apparently only for a select few who have beta-invites to an "independent online market" where they can buy goods in the thing. Totally not just a last hail mary to get anyone consider offering the slightest bit of buying support.

23:15:48 mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-03-2015#1075157 << you can't mine w/o wallet.

23:15:48 assbot: Logged on 27-03-2015 21:21:14; ascii_field: punkman: for the wallet-less version, would be logical. (how can mine without wallet ?)

23:16:33 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo wait, their virtual best korea has an unconvertible shit currency that nevertheless is great because you can buy whores at the local wholesale whorehouse ?

23:16:36 mircea_popescu: except no girls ther ?

23:16:48 mircea_popescu: sounds like these people should run a small soviet republic in central asia.

23:16:57 mircea_popescu: they got all the right mental furniture for it.

23:19:56 mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-03-2015#1075218 << one is going to use pogo as god meant it, proxy for walleted bitcoind.

23:19:56 assbot: Logged on 27-03-2015 21:47:49; ben_vulpes: on the other hand - what else is one going to do?

23:20:32 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo wait, their virtual best korea has an unconvertible shit currency that nevertheless is great because you can buy whores at the local wholesale whorehouse ? << Pretty much. Apparently some of the most loyal of shills have been selected. There's allegations I can't evidence that the stuff is being shipped from amazon as a gift from Homero J Garza.

23:20:34 mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-03-2015#1075224 << even a stock bitcoind, hobbled to ONLY talk to your local pogo.

23:20:34 assbot: Logged on 27-03-2015 21:49:57; mike_c: the separate RI wallet binary could talk to RI bitcoind to send btc

23:21:03 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo shills getting payola is so common there's actually provisions in most criminal codes for it.

23:21:25 mircea_popescu: it's funny how the guy is appearingly going through the book and breaking literally everything.

23:21:34 mircea_popescu: even conventions that outstretch the fucking treaty of paris.

23:21:44 BingoBoingo: Yup, but somehow Preet hasn't to my knowledge seen fit to reel in Gibson to share Shaver's chair

23:21:52 mircea_popescu: "so what if it's been in the code since westphalia ?!?!?!"

23:23:27 mircea_popescu: speaking of history : http://www.schillerinstitute.org/strategic/treaty_of_westphalia.html << westphalia likbez.

23:23:29 assbot: The Treaty of Westphalia ... ( http://bit.ly/1BuEov0 )

23:26:06 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: You want to do a Garza violates Westphalia piece for qntra?

23:26:27 mircea_popescu: doubt he's worth the attention.

23:26:37 mircea_popescu: maybe once he's arguing in court or somethign

23:27:15 mircea_popescu: (but alf may appreciate article I : "A Christian general and permanent peace, and true and honest friendship, must rule between the Holy Imperial Majesty and the Holy All-Christian Majesty"

23:27:39 mircea_popescu: who thought the all-russia thing is original ? no such thing as originality. the new czars wanted to be better caesars than the previous czars is all.)

23:30:47 asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform so what's so wrong with prostitution ? << the lulzy part was the bureaucrat, not whoring in the abstract

23:31:48 asciilifeform: <danielpbarron> i have yet to encounter a stock pogo that that url didn't work on << afaik the backdoor works on all released pogov4

23:32:15 asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> who the fuck explains their income ? <ben_vulpes> in the states, if they think they have a case they freeze your assets. << aha. sit on the stake until explained, yes.

23:34:38 asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> ... you can't mine w/o wallet << wallet doesn't need to be local

23:34:51 asciilifeform: (can be on separate machine)

23:34:55 mircea_popescu: kinda contorted but i guess

23:36:18 asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> ... westphalia likbez << even where i went to school it was taught, as a foundational gadget of the (pre-ww1) civilized world...

23:36:39 mircea_popescu: in a sense.

23:37:13 asciilifeform: (amerikan school! palmer & colton was the quick'n'dirty book, plus period sources)

23:37:56 mircea_popescu: (this to note that the given link is merely a perspective, and not divine truth. the treatment of fouquet is particularly ignorant, for instance - while the man was rich it is not clear he stole anything, and his disgrace has nothing to do with the minister and everything to do with the king, who visited once and was displeased at the luxurious manner in which he was received.)

23:38:07 *: asciilifeform went to a slightly odd school, not entirely representative of usa

23:38:30 mircea_popescu: you actually went to school there ?

23:38:36 asciilifeform: aha

23:38:43 asciilifeform: from 3rd grade up, even

23:38:47 mircea_popescu: ic

23:38:56 asciilifeform: (not secret)

23:39:26 asciilifeform: last 4 years was in a kind of quasi-public one where you get in by exam (these still exist)

23:39:43 trinque: I went to one of those

23:39:48 trinque: "magnet school"

23:39:55 asciilifeform: not mircea_popescuing gymnasium by any measure, but considerably less lame than the off the shelf fare

23:40:29 mircea_popescu: it doesn't sound all that bad.

23:40:35 mircea_popescu: "Northwestern University simply cannot stop being awesome. From getting drunk and hollering about blowjobs to throwing blackface Halloween parties to producing a little rapper by the name of Chet Haze, Northwestern University never does anything less than the most awesome thing to do in any given situation. That's why regular schools have "Human Sexuality" classes, but Northwestern University has HOT LIVE FUCKSAW demon

23:40:36 mircea_popescu: strations:

23:40:36 mircea_popescu: The optional presentation last Monday, attended by about 120 students, featured a naked non-student woman being repeatedly sexually stimulated to the point of orgasm by the sex toy, referred to as a "fucksaw." The device is essentially a motorized phallus.

23:40:37 mircea_popescu: John Michael Bailey, the psychology professor who leads the class in question, declined to comment to the Daily Northwestern "due to class preparations that he said last until Friday." He then hastily grabbed his fucksaw, retreated to his lair, and locked the door."

23:40:42 asciilifeform: theoretically qualified the kids for admission to eu unis

23:40:47 *: asciilifeform did not uses this

23:40:51 asciilifeform: *use

23:41:38 *: mircea_popescu approves of northwestern.

23:42:35 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: bailey is infamous for an epic grudgewank centered around his book, 'the man who would be queen'

23:42:44 asciilifeform: a treatise on transsexualism

23:43:11 mircea_popescu: because he correctly identifies the "transsexual" delusion as malignant narcissism ?

23:43:18 asciilifeform: as for the fucksaw, it was, iirc, made from a genuine reciprocating saw!

23:43:30 asciilifeform: brilliant concept, cheap & effective.

23:43:44 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha how'd you know.

23:43:52 asciilifeform: a real ripper of a book, too

23:44:20 mircea_popescu: mywah.

23:44:28 asciilifeform: mega-recommended.

23:51:00 nubbins`: <+mircea_popescu> who the fuck explains their income ? they think they got a case, let them make the fucking case. <<< emery famously listed "marijuana seed dealer" on his income tax returns for years. ended up remitting ~$2mn in total

23:51:53 asciilifeform: ^ in total << before picked up ?

23:52:01 asciilifeform: or what, quit on his own ?

23:52:21 nubbins`: <+ben_vulpes> mircea_popescu: YOU WON'T GET ME TO SAY ANYTHING NEGATIVE ABOUT THEM <<< a node's a node, smarty-pantses!

23:52:38 asciilifeform: and i'll add that the real 'explaining' happens after they take your money, all at once

23:52:55 asciilifeform: 'tell us why you should see this dough again?'

23:53:10 asciilifeform: 'or you'll what, sue? with what?'

23:53:19 trinque: got stock debian on my pogo

23:53:36 trinque: this is where I ended up due to the "..." in the uboot section of instructions

23:53:37 asciilifeform: trinque: tried turdel ?

23:53:46 nubbins`: <+mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo wait, their virtual best korea has an unconvertible shit currency that nevertheless is great because you can buy whores at the local wholesale whorehouse ? except no girls ther ? << ;;google itchy & scratchy bucks

23:53:52 trinque: asciilifeform: put debian on the sd card in a partition, I assume I can flash the nand from there?

23:53:57 trinque: and then add a uboot entry for it?

23:53:58 asciilifeform: trinque: if you replace whatever kernel you have now, on whatever kind of drive, with it - it will boot

23:54:04 asciilifeform: carries own rootfs

23:54:07 trinque: ah neat

23:54:10 nubbins`: <+asciilifeform> ^ in total << before picked up ? <<< before picked up.

23:54:31 asciilifeform: trinque: don't flash turdel into your nand

23:54:36 asciilifeform: it'll be difficult to replace it

23:54:37 trinque: k

23:54:38 nubbins`: as in, legitimately paid $2mn in taxes on marijuana seed sales over about a decade

23:54:44 asciilifeform: i didn't build mtd utils in there

23:54:46 nubbins`: which the government received, processed each year

23:54:53 trinque: asciilifeform: I'll keep the debian around and add this as a boot entry

23:55:01 asciilifeform: it's a turdel not a kernel for good reason

23:55:08 asciilifeform: (for one thing, source not posted yet)

23:55:09 trinque: heh

23:55:29 asciilifeform: deliberately self-contained. you don't need to add cmd params to it

23:55:34 asciilifeform: or have a root partition

23:55:37 nubbins`: trinque tftp -> mmc -> usb -> sata is an ok setup

23:55:51 nubbins`: for boot order

23:56:30 nubbins`: if you follow vanilla "hack the pogo" instructions, you can keep the original setup in the loop too

23:56:42 asciilifeform: ^ until we overwrite it

23:56:48 nubbins`: ^

23:56:53 trinque: yeah supposedly I still have their magic cloud distro on here

23:56:53 asciilifeform: the real battlefield build will write over the nand

23:57:02 trinque: as per http://blog.qnology.com/2014/07/hacking-pogoplug-v4-series-4-and-mobile.html

23:57:03 assbot: Qui's techNOLOGY Blog: Hacking the Pogoplug v4 (Series 4 and Mobile) with Linux (Debian or Arch) ... ( http://bit.ly/1G0HHA2 )

23:57:13 asciilifeform: though theoretically we will be using only a tenth or so of the room

23:57:22 nubbins`: you planning to do a single-item boot list, or keep option for tftp/etc?

23:58:01 nubbins`: trinque +1, that's the guide i've been following

23:58:29 nubbins`: right now my pogo will try tftp, then boot debian from sd card, or original pogo if none present

23:58:37 asciilifeform: if screwing with uboot, leave at least 1sec in the boot delay timer

23:58:48 trinque: nubbins`: yeah that sounds good to me

23:58:54 asciilifeform: saves much headache if you want to turn the knobs again from serial console because b0rk3d boot media

23:58:56 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> 'or you'll what, sue? with what?' << in which vein, mp has never explained any such thing, to anyone, ever, nor does he mean to start.

23:59:04 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu is not a prisoner

23:59:21 asciilifeform: in usgbankschwitz

23:59:36 mircea_popescu: "i

23:59:51 mircea_popescu: "i'll not as much sue as send your daughter to dance for soros. how about that."