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00:54:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23793 @ 0.00049289 = 11.7273 BTC [-]

02:11:43 BingoBoingo: !up noids252

02:13:38 noids252: ;;ticker --market all

02:13:44 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 416.07, vol: 1127.86734451 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 415.957, vol: 3390.91455 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 416.15, vol: 3355.91896023 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 422.0, vol: 0.7070119 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 418.49012, vol: 14470.56840000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 417.31, vol: 857.98623813 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 420.9205, vol: 5.81829489 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)

02:17:35 BingoBoingo: ;;more noids252

02:17:36 gribble: 417.621161971

02:19:49 ben_vulpes: http://dream-job.shithouse.tv/

02:19:50 assbot: dream-job ... ( http://bit.ly/1WRjqDb )

04:00:29 ben_vulpes: holy shit does browser positioning fail to respect the right hand rule?

04:05:22 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-03-2016#1440518 << wut?!

04:05:22 assbot: Logged on 27-03-2016 02:19:49; ben_vulpes: http://dream-job.shithouse.tv/

04:07:18 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i'd certainly rather feed racoons with food taped to my body than figure out how to position elements relative to each other

04:07:46 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i would rather feed racoon with own meat.

04:08:11 asciilifeform: than take any part in wwwistic miseries.

04:09:59 BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: What about just positioning them relative enough?

08:32:09 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: can you speak to why ada's usgenesis shouldn't set off klaxons?

08:32:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54950 @ 0.00049305 = 27.0931 BTC [+] {2}

09:40:27 davout: ;;later tell kakobrekla http://dpaste.com/1YPJKPS.txt

09:40:29 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1SnVVjG )

09:40:29 gribble: The operation succeeded.

10:08:43 shinohai: > tfw 24 hours of logs fits in a single screen now.

10:10:52 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-03-2016#1440527 << because motherfucking 1980?? or if you prefer, because it's an ancient gcc frontend? or, if neither satisfies, because its the only compiled lang with knobs to ease binary auditing?

10:10:52 assbot: Logged on 27-03-2016 08:32:09; ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: can you speak to why ada's usgenesis shouldn't set off klaxons?

10:15:51 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: ada sucks in 1,001 ways, but unlike every other known non-c, introduction of mystery meat layer between the source semantics and resulting binary is not one f them. which unfortunately makes it the ~only~ sane choice for critical realtime system.

10:17:10 asciilifeform: (i considered and rejected ml and haskell for this reason. go and explain how they work! can spend a fucking career on that. ick)

10:19:45 asciilifeform: (the other choice, if trying to escape from ada, is to ditch the c-machine silicon, but i just checked my sofa cushion and still did not find a spare $10m in it with which to do this.)

10:24:02 asciilifeform: incidentally, gnat is actually written in ada. and is quite readable... (in as much as such a thing can be called readable)

10:25:31 asciilifeform: i've been struggling with my gag reflex for > year now, the language is pascal-ugly. but ~there is no sane alternative~ known.

10:28:09 asciilifeform: because items like 'no overflows, fuck off', 'standard and rationale books', 'i can compile this by hand', or 'i can saw the binary open in ida and it is pretty clear what chunk of asm corresponds to what line of src' are NOT NEGOTIABLE.

10:36:41 asciilifeform: the ~total unavailability of derplibraries (~no open-sores 'ecosystem') in ada land also has a cleansing effect.

10:38:09 asciilifeform: sorta what common lisp looked like circa 2000 or so.

10:39:20 shinohai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-03-2016#1440538 <<< spoke briefly to mod6 about gnat, still trying to wrap head around ada

10:39:20 assbot: Logged on 27-03-2016 10:24:02; asciilifeform: incidentally, gnat is actually written in ada. and is quite readable... (in as much as such a thing can be called readable)

10:39:32 asciilifeform: no 'aggressive mayogendered' as far as the yes can see...!

10:39:41 asciilifeform: *eyes

10:40:05 asciilifeform: shinohai: it's a misery, i must warn.

10:41:28 asciilifeform: using the language really feels like 'penance' for lifetime of bug-creation in c/cpp

10:41:58 asciilifeform: it is aggressively programmer-hostile in 1,001 ways

10:42:33 asciilifeform: no 'cleverness' permitted.

10:42:43 asciilifeform: !s idiomatic c

10:42:44 assbot: 4 results for 'idiomatic c' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=idiomatic+c

10:43:17 asciilifeform: antidote to http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=24-01-2016#1384565 .

10:43:17 assbot: Logged on 24-01-2016 23:06:37; jurov: "idiomatic C"

10:44:49 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes et al: believe, if i had another, tastier antidote, i would say. but until then, we will drink this castor.

10:44:56 shinohai: "JGNAT is a version compiled from the Ada programming language to Java bytecode." <<< srsly?

10:45:10 asciilifeform: shinohai: nfi.

10:45:22 asciilifeform: never even heard of such.

10:46:07 asciilifeform: i vaguely recall a dark age jvm backend for gcc, perhaps it turned into this.

10:46:30 shinohai: That looks gross, no thanks.

10:47:26 asciilifeform: anyway who exactly frces you to use weird backend.

10:47:58 asciilifeform: jvm dun exist on my planet.

10:54:12 asciilifeform: on a happy note, appreciate how much ~aggressive sanity~ is baked into ada. it is routine, for example, to program ~without a heap~ !

10:54:34 asciilifeform: as in, motherfucking constant-space.

10:56:31 asciilifeform: (you ~can~ use heap. but its presence is not presupposed by the language constructs.)

11:30:15 mats: lol penance

11:30:29 mats: the masochism is real

11:31:10 mats: (fwiw, got 95 rationale and ref manual in the mail yesterday)

11:56:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27900 @ 0.00049321 = 13.7606 BTC [+]

13:10:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12150 @ 0.00049321 = 5.9925 BTC [+]

15:13:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8180 @ 0.00049321 = 4.0345 BTC [+]

15:39:23 oglafbot: http://oglaf.com/ron-returns/

15:39:24 assbot: Ranger Ron Returns! ... ( http://bit.ly/1RmxJ2g )

15:51:21 asciilifeform: deedbot awol?

15:52:25 BingoBoingo: appears so

15:55:03 asciilifeform: http://fraudsters.com/2016/young-educated-urban-anglophone-male << l0ltr0nic

15:55:05 assbot: Young Educated Urban Anglophone Male. on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1RmyCrq )

16:01:56 asciilifeform: 'The benefits he has derived from his collegiate experience have been strictly formal, and of no further substance.' << i thought mircea_popescu knew that the usaschwitz 'college racket' has ~0 to do with education, but rather is the only usg-permitted iq test (roughly what grade school was once used for)

16:02:28 asciilifeform: !s griggs

16:02:28 assbot: 6 results for 'griggs' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=griggs

16:02:57 asciilifeform: ^ reqd reading

16:05:22 BingoBoingo: http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2015/04/28/what-does-your-work-truck-say-about-you/

16:05:25 assbot: What Does Your Work Truck Say About You? ... ( http://bit.ly/1Rmz9tI )

16:12:39 asciilifeform: http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/drillpress.jpg << win.

16:12:41 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1RuqYbk )

16:14:56 BingoBoingo: seriously

17:28:19 jurov: BingoBoingo: does anyone in the chan actually need a truck on regular basis?

17:28:53 BingoBoingo: jurov: mod6 mebbe, but linked mostly for the picture alf singled out.

17:37:43 jurov: ah that. had to look 3 times to get it.

17:46:29 BingoBoingo: Maybe it is more common for you to see men use RIGID brand drill presses to accomplish even the most humble hole drilling tasks?

17:47:35 kakobrekla: ;;later tell davout http://dpaste.com/2P13Y79.txt

17:47:37 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZFAwWl )

17:47:37 gribble: The operation succeeded.

17:49:31 davout: kakobrekla: tyvm

17:50:44 jurov: BingoBoingo: actually having rigid drill ready in the corner can be much more convenient and timesaving compared to affixing tiny bits to be drilled to chairs, even if not used often.

17:51:07 jurov: my brain just repeatedly rejected the notion of anyone using it that way

17:52:35 BingoBoingo: Yeah.

17:53:58 BingoBoingo: I'm just kind of surprised this sort of overtooling isn't a big thing in bear pin up art.

17:55:12 jurov: eh, bear pin ups are complete with just a firefighter gear

17:56:06 jurov: lmao i saw even one proclaimed "a lumberjack" cuz of the axe

17:56:42 jurov: so...anything beyond chainsaw is too nerdy for bear pinups

17:57:09 BingoBoingo: hearing this I am disappointed more is not made of the innuendo possible from playing with the idea of big tools

17:59:01 jurov: nudity + power tools = uncomfortable feeling

17:59:28 jurov: it exists, but not mainstream

18:04:14 deedbot-: [Qntra] March To Clinton Coronation Bumps Into Subaru Socialist Sweep - http://qntra.net/2016/03/march-to-clinton-coronation-bumps-into-subaru-socialist-sweep/

18:04:17 BingoBoingo: Pin up isn't total nudity though. It's suggestive dress.

18:04:50 BingoBoingo: crap I forgot a link

18:05:28 BingoBoingo: fxd

18:06:46 BingoBoingo: jurov: Orange chainsaw chaps tend to be just as assless as leather motorcycle chaps.

18:08:14 jurov: oh that's not pinup, but advertising, like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hMcoleVFFY&list=PLwD5RLR4SaJcHDQ-nH9BNOpd-AutFF0_m&index=2

18:08:16 assbot: Epizoda 2: Anti-lázně - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZFBf9Y )

18:09:02 BingoBoingo: Aha, but if you put it on a Calendar it becomes pinup.

20:11:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28935 @ 0.00049362 = 14.2829 BTC [+] {3}

20:12:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11065 @ 0.00049236 = 5.448 BTC [-]

22:27:14 asciilifeform: shinohai, mod6, et al: https://cowlark.com/2014-04-27-ada << possibly helpful

22:27:16 assbot: A Random Walk Through Ada ... ( http://bit.ly/1UVyGjl )

22:29:50 asciilifeform: ^ mega-recommended to everyone with the faintest inkling of an interest in subj. overview of nearly all key aspects.

22:38:03 asciilifeform: ;;later tell BingoBoingo https://cryptome.org/2016/03/matthew-keys-docs.htm << qntra ?

22:38:04 assbot: Matthew Keys Investigation-Prosecution Documents ... ( http://bit.ly/1ofmMnj )

22:38:04 gribble: The operation succeeded.

23:12:03 asciilifeform: http://www.funnyjunk.com/funny_pictures/52779/I << dug out of vintage fraudsters. immortal.

23:12:04 assbot: I have a deram ... ( http://bit.ly/1MLtRT2 )

23:17:54 shinohai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-03-2016#1440615 <<< looks interesting will read after guests leave

23:17:54 assbot: Logged on 27-03-2016 22:27:14; asciilifeform: shinohai, mod6, et al: https://cowlark.com/2014-04-27-ada << possibly helpful

23:18:38 *: asciilifeform swabs decks on ghost ship

23:43:16 mod6: asciilifeform: thx for the link swabby

23:46:07 *: asciilifeform salutes.

23:47:03 shinohai: asciilifeform at the helm: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMOfziFE97Y

23:47:04 assbot: spongebob leedle lee patrick star clip funny ship flying dutchman SpongeBob SquarePants - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1pSEbUD )