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Transcript for 27-04-2015, 1280 lines:

00:08:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24400 @ 0.0003059 = 7.464 BTC [-]

00:14:21 BingoBoingo: "Crop Dessication" http://www.ithaka-journal.net/herbizide-im-urin?lang=en

00:15:21 mircea_popescu: soo... 7.9 earthquake in nepal, kerry announces "us pledges $1mn".

00:15:24 mircea_popescu: out of money much ?

00:15:48 BingoBoingo: likely

00:17:57 BingoBoingo: glyphosate is almost a nutrient nao: "The study found glyphosate in all urine samples at values ranging from 0.5 to 2 ng glyphosate per ml urine (drinking water limit: 0.1 ng / ml). None of the examinees had direct contact with agriculture."

00:24:48 mircea_popescu: in related news, http://31.media.tumblr.com/e6c03a0d3d7be2eb9a2cc8c354944fd0/tumblr_nbbcb7HBsH1tv1347o1_400.gif

00:24:54 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1zbBm4C )

00:24:55 mircea_popescu: they're rounding her up.

00:33:36 williamdunne: Now thats not a fetish I can understand

00:35:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45027 @ 0.00030891 = 13.9093 BTC [+] {2}

00:36:40 mircea_popescu: https://8ch.net/pol/res/1815910.html << just another cult.

00:36:43 assbot: /pol/ - The truth about shills: ... ( http://bit.ly/1zbEjSB )

01:13:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52500 @ 0.00030992 = 16.2708 BTC [+]

01:23:26 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell pete_dushenski check this shit out http://fraudsters.com/2015/stop-all-the-clocks-again/#comment-113916

01:23:27 assbot: Stop all the clocks (again) on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1FpuRvW )

01:23:27 gribble: The operation succeeded.

01:23:29 mircea_popescu: !up TheButterZone

01:23:35 mircea_popescu: dude, the whisper thing fucking works.

01:25:57 hanbot: whispercore? this is a thing?

01:26:29 *: mircea_popescu whispering ; apparently

02:01:23 menahem: TheButterZone if you start making more tracks, I'mma get in on that!

02:04:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21700 @ 0.0003062 = 6.6445 BTC [-] {2}

02:17:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8100 @ 0.00030996 = 2.5107 BTC [+] {2}

02:54:37 mike_c: ;;later tell danielpbarron http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/NAPHEX/

02:54:38 assbot: naphex WoT Overview - Btc Alpha ... ( http://bit.ly/1PJptqj )

02:54:38 gribble: The operation succeeded.

03:12:05 danielpbarron: !up randy-waterhouse

03:18:03 asciilifeform: jurov: ...there are new miniitx mobos with ECC support... << where?! link plz. i'd buy at least one to try

03:19:35 asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> other than that, aglass of water is a computational machine << in the same sense as a fart, or even two electrons whizzing by in vacuum, are a computing machine. us earthlings are interested, for this reason, in -programmable- computators.

03:21:32 asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> usg.nsa loves "virtualization", but it's by no means the only way to skin that cube << the only reason why they so easily sell this flavour of snake oil is that virtualizator gets you 'cpu cycles by the pound' and buckets of little arm boxes - don't (why not? because we never actually invented parallel processing or, especially, process migration. apparently. at least, unix world did not.)

03:22:29 asciilifeform: <jurov> maybe the only difference is computer science was constructed from mathematical (or not very mathematical, like strings) ideas ... << the notion that computing machines, as presently constructed, have some direct connection with what maths folks did in the 1930s is nebulous at best. even if commonly believed

03:36:36 asciilifeform: <ben_vulpes> ... like that cemetary caretaker, eh? << if you know what his weapon of choice was, share - it would add some spiffy detail to the legend

03:39:08 TheButterZone: yay?

03:42:21 danielpbarron: hi TheButterZone :D

03:43:21 TheButterZone: hi

03:43:24 danielpbarron: !up EllieAsksWhy

03:44:09 EllieAsksWhy: Blythe Masters is going to make bitcoin respectable http://www.institutionalinvestor.com/article/3446313/banking-and-capital-markets-trading-and-technology/derivatives-pioneer-blythe-masters-tackles-digital-currency.html

03:44:11 assbot: Derivatives Pioneer Blythe Masters Tackles Digital Currency | Institutional Investor ... ( http://bit.ly/1PJCOPB )

03:44:14 danielpbarron: !up walltime

03:44:44 asciilifeform: 'respectability' through shitwashing, l0l, 1,001st of these or what. snore.

03:45:19 EllieAsksWhy: Hello Daniel of Twitter! Wow, this is so exciting. I just replaced my keyboard, I was using the virtual one before, so I could barely type and was hesitant to visit here.

03:46:09 danielpbarron: hello! I had invited you in the past but I think this is your first time?

03:46:10 EllieAsksWhy: Daniel, am I driving everyone away by my presence? That happens in NRx Jackal Hour too :)

03:46:23 EllieAsksWhy: Yes, yes, this is my first time, thank you.

03:46:39 danielpbarron: nope, the contrary i'm sure; your presence will almost surely start up a conversation

03:46:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16000 @ 0.0003059 = 4.8944 BTC [-]

03:46:54 EllieAsksWhy: I often browse, lurk, read your logs though. On the sidelines, voiceless

03:47:35 EllieAsksWhy: I am still not convinced that Blythe Masters is truly a "master" of derivatives. She seems more like an investment banker/ figurehead.

03:47:36 danielpbarron: get in the WoT then

03:48:02 EllieAsksWhy: I want to be in the WoT. I got a keybase.io key thingy. I was trying to figure out if I could use it for here.

03:48:26 asciilifeform: !s keybase

03:48:27 assbot: 56 results for 'keybase' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=keybase

03:48:33 asciilifeform: EllieAsksWhy ^ read & get back.

03:49:20 EllieAsksWhy: Okay, thank you. I love how assbot bots on in. It is like a wonderful, interactive version of reddit. I shall return.

03:50:27 danielpbarron: in what way is this like reddit?

03:51:55 asciilifeform: in the sense of with sufficient lsd everything is quite like everything else ?

03:55:22 danielpbarron: https://twitter.com/EllieAsksWhy/status/592534533443952644

03:55:23 assbot: /danielpbarron /crypto_zen Fodder for Mircea et al to dig into: http://t.co/XTSVRuiD1Z She says she's going to make bitcoin respectable.

03:55:43 EllieAsksWhy: Oh, on reddit, both the Dark Enlightenment and buttcoin sub-reddits, there are sarcastic/funny named bots that do silly things that make me laugh. Even though they are automated, the incongruity always amuses me.

03:56:33 danielpbarron: assbot keeps the harmony

03:57:05 EllieAsksWhy: I initially knew Web of Trust as the Finnish company mywot which has totally gone to hell since someone bought them out a year ago. Your Web of Trust is more like the real one, that proceeded mywot by over a decade, right?

03:57:23 EllieAsksWhy: I love assbot.

03:58:05 EllieAsksWhy: Speaking of keybase.io horrors, this was my introduction to it <smile> https://github.com/keybase/keybase-issues/issues/100

03:58:07 assbot: I don't understand tracking · Issue #100 · keybase/keybase-issues · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1PJGZuz )

03:58:31 Adlai: reddit is inferior to irc on nearly the same level as the inferiority between facebook and actual conversation

03:59:38 EllieAsksWhy: I noticed from the link provided by asciilifeform earlier, that Mircea knows about triplesec. That led me to this, which I'm not sure about https://github.com/keybase/triplesec/tree/master/talks/hack-and-tell%202013.10.22.key

03:59:39 assbot: triplesec/talks/hack-and-tell 2013.10.22.key at master · keybase/triplesec · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1PJHmp4 )

03:59:39 danielpbarron: what is the real one, EllieAsksWhy, in regards to the WoT ?

03:59:39 EllieAsksWhy: I

03:59:58 EllieAsksWhy: The real one is not mywot.com

04:00:25 EllieAsksWhy: The real one is PGP from MIT.

04:01:31 EllieAsksWhy: There is also a Web of Trust that is a Canadian accounting auditing certification, not a professional certification but an audit standard of some sort. The real Web of Trust is the original one though.

04:02:15 EllieAsksWhy: I'm sorry, I'll try to calm down and be more linear. I have never had the opportunity to actually talk about any of this stuff with anyone. I only read about things on my own.

04:02:56 danielpbarron: oh, this WoT isn't from "mywot.com" and it isn't from MIT

04:03:30 asciilifeform: EllieAsksWhy: get in wot (the actual wot). this way you can come back, e.g., tomorrow, and we will have some reason to think that we are speaking with an invariant actual human being

04:03:49 EllieAsksWhy: Yes, Adlai, reddit is inferior to IRC. reddit has an IRC but I haven't used it. I don't trust Facebook. I don't use it, and like to say that it steals your soul. I sort of kind of believe that, in a casual sense, not a real one. It would be blasphemous to suggest it was really true!

04:04:08 danielpbarron: it should be possible to change what key is associated with your nickname, for when you stop using keybase

04:04:31 danielpbarron: or just find a new thing right now. what operating system are you running?

04:05:04 EllieAsksWhy: I need to get a feel for syntax here, and metier. I liked Second Life chat and sometimes Google chat, but am kind of sheltered about messaging, other than Microsoft Connections to annoy the DBA at work.

04:05:34 Adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-04-2015#1112301 << calm up all you like, the log is a DAG

04:05:34 assbot: Logged on 27-04-2015 04:02:15; EllieAsksWhy: I'm sorry, I'll try to calm down and be more linear. I have never had the opportunity to actually talk about any of this stuff with anyone. I only read about things on my own.

04:05:51 EllieAsksWhy: I am running Windows 7 with Chrome browser. Not cool, no linux or ubuntu or whatnot.

04:06:27 danielpbarron: I have heard there are things to use on windows

04:06:38 Adlai: !s gpg4win

04:06:39 assbot: 13 results for 'gpg4win' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=gpg4win

04:06:52 EllieAsksWhy: DAG, Adlai? Should I not use punctuation here (does it mess up assbot's ability to function smoothly)?

04:07:09 danielpbarron: lol

04:07:21 EllieAsksWhy: Ah, okay, gpg4win thank you. I want to return here again, very much!

04:07:29 Adlai: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXILzUpVx7A

04:07:30 assbot: D'ya like dags? - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1PJJA7K )

04:07:49 Adlai: decentralized autonomous graphs

04:08:20 danielpbarron: !up Vexual

04:10:23 EllieAsksWhy: Ah, I see. Dogs. With a crufty accent they become dogs :) Are smileys okay here? I interject them a lot.

04:10:35 danielpbarron: yep

04:11:02 EllieAsksWhy: assbot gave me a bitly link with advertising, to https://sidetick.tv/ lol!

04:11:07 assbot: SideTick TV - Internet Television! ... ( http://bit.ly/1PJKxwN )

04:11:20 danielpbarron: in private message ?

04:11:45 BingoBoingo: EllieAsksWhy: The bit.ly links are the links people put in channel, but with a free proxy service

04:12:06 EllieAsksWhy: Ahh, I see, BingoBoingo. Thank you.

04:12:06 Adlai: EllieAsksWhy: actually directed acyclic graphs. you'll notice the logs include lots of disjoint conversations, peppered with links to previous messages, themselves including links to previous messages... nonlinearity is the norm

04:12:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8829 @ 0.00030954 = 2.7329 BTC [+]

04:12:41 EllieAsksWhy: Daniel, I'm sorry, I'm being too diffuse. Disregard that, I can explain further later.

04:12:56 EllieAsksWhy: I just found this http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-12-2013#420624 not too propitious for gpg4win

04:12:56 assbot: Logged on 13-12-2013 09:22:57; Duffer1: gpg4win hates me

04:13:03 BingoBoingo: EllieAsksWhy: The proxy links became a thing to discourage people from dropping honeypot links to harvest home ips to DoS

04:13:31 EllieAsksWhy: Adlai, I use chat on StackOverflow. This reminds me somewhat of that.

04:13:59 EllieAsksWhy: Adlai, this is a lovely description "directed acyclic graphs. you'll notice the logs include lots of disjoint conversations, peppered with links to previous messages, themselves including links to previous messages... nonlinearity is the norm"

04:14:13 Adlai: !b 2

04:14:13 assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1YKAX5J.txt )

04:14:15 Adlai: !up EllieAsksWhy

04:14:33 Adlai: it's like taking pictures of a baby

04:14:57 EllieAsksWhy: Hah, hah re "The proxy links became a thing to discourage people from dropping honeypot links to harvest home ips to DoS". This isn't a good place for Blythe Masters.

04:15:12 hanbot: EllieAsksWhy so what do you do?

04:16:15 EllieAsksWhy: Hello, hanbot! This is me linkedin.com/in/4lisa I probably shouldn't do this, but I'm looking for a job and unfortunately, that requires using my real full name.

04:17:34 danielpbarron: real names are cool

04:17:36 EllieAsksWhy: I do due diligence, using data analysis and descriptive statistics and probability mostly. I like finding problems and vulnerabilities and fraud and arb opportunities.

04:17:59 hanbot: oh hey an ibm alum

04:18:39 EllieAsksWhy: Thank you, Daniel. I wasn't sure if that were okay. So many people use pseudonyms which aren't truly that pseudo.

04:19:02 ben_vulpes: arbitunities!

04:19:26 EllieAsksWhy: I need to figure out how to get in your WoT so that I can return here. If I have questions or encounter difficulties, may I ask you for guidance via Twitter, Daniel?

04:19:36 ben_vulpes: !s first steps

04:19:37 assbot: 117 results for 'first steps' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=first+steps

04:19:44 danielpbarron: absolutely :D

04:19:53 ben_vulpes: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets << EllieAsksWhy

04:19:54 assbot: first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1ybBQ8x )

04:20:11 EllieAsksWhy: Yes, arbitunities! Arb is wonderful, so is delta neutral hedging, sources of small but mostly safe profit.

04:20:47 BingoBoingo: !h

04:20:47 assbot: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot

04:20:57 ben_vulpes: myeah, i'm familiar :P

04:21:52 EllieAsksWhy: I will peruse. Y'all will probably be amused by this, but I tried to get myself here by getting an account at one of those bitcoin gambling sites, Satoshi Dice or such. I thought that if I could get an ID there, I could figure out how to use it as a

04:22:10 ben_vulpes: lolwut

04:22:26 ben_vulpes: so instead of...research...you just try random things?

04:22:33 EllieAsksWhy: baseline for establishing one here. Nope! And bitcoin dice rolling is probably an appalling waste of money!

04:23:13 ben_vulpes: it is -ev

04:23:13 EllieAsksWhy: Okay, I am departing now. Thank you everyone. You've been kind and mild. Please give my best wishes to Mircea, if possible.

04:23:19 ben_vulpes: what...did you expect?

04:25:59 Vexual: cute

04:26:31 Vexual: musta rode the hang seng this morn, figured it's time to bitcoin

04:28:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27100 @ 0.0003059 = 8.2899 BTC [-]

04:31:05 ben_vulpes: Vexual: man what are you even

04:32:37 Vexual: i rode the hang seng this morning and i figured it's time to bitcoin, how was the conf?

04:35:39 ben_vulpes: lotta steak

04:35:48 ben_vulpes: stan couldn't keep his eyes in his head re: girls

04:35:54 Vexual: lol

04:36:24 ben_vulpes: anyways what are you doing watching the hang seng - make anything off that pop at the open?

04:36:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55539 @ 0.00031012 = 17.2238 BTC [+] {2}

04:37:11 Vexual: no, i wasnt awake then'

04:52:49 ben_vulpes: !up Vexual

04:55:36 Vexual: so whaddaya get, some rib fillet, or half a cow?

04:59:54 Vexual: something good presumably

04:59:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14076 @ 0.00031017 = 4.366 BTC [+]

05:01:49 pete_dushenski: ;;later tell mircea_popescu what have we started! watch this become the next big reddit meme.

05:01:50 gribble: The operation succeeded.

05:02:21 pete_dushenski: ;;later tell jurov ah yes, that's a niggle that's been bugging me too. thanks for pointing me in the right direction.

05:02:21 gribble: The operation succeeded.

05:21:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49650 @ 0.0003059 = 15.1879 BTC [-]

05:47:58 ben_vulpes: !up Vexual

05:51:14 scoopbot_revived: News! fyooturgigs: knife sharpener, garbage-sorter, computational sommelier URL: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/04/26_fyooturgigs-knife-sharpener-garbage-sorter-computational-sommelier.html

05:51:15 assbot: fyooturgigs: knife sharpener, garbage-sorter, computational sommelier ... ( http://bit.ly/1JuLrg7 )

05:52:33 *: pete_dushenski clicks

06:07:10 ben_vulpes: "Minaj pulled out of Hot 97’s Summer Jam after a DJ criticized Roman’s smash EDM-styled single “Starships” as something other than “real hip-hop.” Lil Wayne and the rest of Young Money canceled their performance at the show as well, in solidarity." << heh.

06:07:41 ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: didja know that an iphone is just about cost-even with the low end macbook airs?

06:08:15 pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: i knew it was close-ish but i suppose there's even some overlap

06:08:28 pete_dushenski: spec 128 gb iphone 6 plus.

06:08:31 ben_vulpes: gap's still like 150 us by my calcs

06:09:01 pete_dushenski: also: "EEC RAM and the controllers therefor" << ecc ram, therefore*

06:09:16 ben_vulpes: aha, ty

06:09:34 ben_vulpes: keep 'em comin, i gotta get my ass back into my life routine

06:10:00 pete_dushenski: top cheddar iphone: C$1,229

06:10:08 pete_dushenski: *gulp*

06:10:10 ben_vulpes: leadership starts at 6 am or how did it go

06:10:19 ben_vulpes: night boss

06:10:51 pete_dushenski: cheerio dude

06:11:15 pete_dushenski: cheapest macbook air 11" : C$1,099

06:11:44 pete_dushenski: fait accompli

06:12:13 Vexual: 11" fits in stuff

06:12:42 Vexual: who wants an big notebook?

06:15:28 Vexual: mp phone and an 11", thats some kit

06:18:40 pete_dushenski: ;;later tell ben_vulpes "and have custom trickle in." << customers*

06:18:41 gribble: The operation succeeded.

06:18:45 pete_dushenski: ?

06:19:31 pete_dushenski: other than that, computational sommelier sounds like quite the craft.

06:23:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51600 @ 0.0003059 = 15.7844 BTC [-]

06:56:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93700 @ 0.00030055 = 28.1615 BTC [-] {4}

07:15:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33200 @ 0.00030904 = 10.2601 BTC [+] {2}

07:38:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69600 @ 0.00030931 = 21.528 BTC [+] {2}

07:47:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23946 @ 0.00031028 = 7.43 BTC [+] {2}

08:43:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30679 @ 0.00030014 = 9.208 BTC [-]

08:44:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64843 @ 0.00029831 = 19.3433 BTC [-] {3}

08:50:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58544 @ 0.00030338 = 17.7611 BTC [+] {2}

09:01:25 mircea_popescu: o look, ellie!

09:03:22 mircea_popescu: cazalla gave you folks more disk. half a gig went pretty fast eh o.O

09:19:28 mircea_popescu: !rated TheButterZone

09:19:28 assbot: You have not rated TheButterZone.

09:19:38 mircea_popescu: !rate TheButterZone 1 Dude got a scary whisper.

09:19:38 assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/6b2c92a2f314b59f

09:20:02 mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.TheButterZone.1:011ae86d5de58325aca2aacc80b2f6459687dba7e0e50f9db83605b7c77ba1ef

09:20:03 assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for TheButterZone with note: Dude got a scary whisper.

09:22:23 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-04-2015#1112276 << to quote, "asciilifeform the Anglos have a historic problem, in that they never invented политрукs."

09:22:23 assbot: Logged on 27-04-2015 03:47:35; EllieAsksWhy: I am still not convinced that Blythe Masters is truly a "master" of derivatives. She seems more like an investment banker/ figurehead.

09:22:40 mircea_popescu: well, they did invent them alright. they just made the mistake to make them women.

09:24:35 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-04-2015#1112284 << /me hands stan a very sarcastic "zing"

09:24:35 assbot: Logged on 27-04-2015 03:51:55; asciilifeform: in the sense of with sufficient lsd everything is quite like everything else ?

09:26:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58383 @ 0.00031031 = 18.1168 BTC [+]

09:26:41 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-04-2015#1112289 << the website thing never made any sense. nor was it supposed to i guess. this wot is "like" the old gpg/pgp wot, yes.

09:26:41 assbot: Logged on 27-04-2015 03:57:05; EllieAsksWhy: I initially knew Web of Trust as the Finnish company mywot which has totally gone to hell since someone bought them out a year ago. Your Web of Trust is more like the real one, that proceeded mywot by over a decade, right?

09:28:24 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-04-2015#1112293 << on one end. on the other end, it has the advantage that it can allow *everyone* to pretend like they're part of the conversation. here people know nobody is listening to them, because they have no voice. on facebook/reddit/etc, every idiot can pretend that he's being heard because he can read himself and so why not.

09:28:24 assbot: Logged on 27-04-2015 03:58:31; Adlai: reddit is inferior to irc on nearly the same level as the inferiority between facebook and actual conversation

10:14:51 mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUYaosyR4bE

10:14:52 assbot: Lily Allen - Not Fair - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1bvx10T )

10:29:08 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes / asciilifeform : re "build an exhaustive knowledge of every company that has ever made computer parts and an exhaustive understanding of which parts were made well and not at which point in time." << the correct approach to this is to do what mp has been saying needs doing for ages and start a bitcoin hoster.

10:29:30 cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-04-2015#1112423 <<< scary whisper? more like didn't want to wake parents

10:29:30 assbot: Logged on 27-04-2015 09:19:38; mircea_popescu: !rate TheButterZone 1 Dude got a scary whisper.

10:29:33 mircea_popescu: because nobody knows about computer parts quite like the people doing procurement for a datacenter. so if you run your own metal and sublet to people, you're in the best position to learn these exactly.

10:29:57 mircea_popescu: lol cazalla

10:31:47 mircea_popescu: also i find the idea that various things have different webs of trust silly. yes, idiots use meat wots. this is exactly how aristotle's "no politics is your politics" thing went. otherwise, the wot's for all things.

10:38:47 mircea_popescu: lmao c3 drove a secession in the us across east/west lines ?! who knew that thing's so brittle and easily fractured.

10:40:14 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes "If Macintosh laptops (long held up as the gold standard of quality in personal computing) " << nobody ever held a laptop as an acceptable form of personal computing. let alone any sort of standard.

10:40:39 mircea_popescu: a laptop is a toy, like a phone or a xbox, something kids that aren't smart enough / rich enough to own computers get for xmas from their weird uncles.

10:41:56 mircea_popescu: broadly speaking, anything without the lego quality is not a real thing, but a toy. that's what the "no user serviceable parts inside" sticker communicates to the world : this is not a tool, this is a toy.

10:42:52 cazalla: desktop master race

10:43:03 jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-04-2015#1112256 here: http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/atom/

10:43:03 assbot: Logged on 27-04-2015 03:18:03; asciilifeform: jurov: ...there are new miniitx mobos with ECC support... << where?! link plz. i'd buy at least one to try

10:43:05 assbot: Super Micro Computer, Inc. - Products | Motherboards | ATOM ... ( http://bit.ly/1IekE65 )

10:43:41 jurov: not yet found any with amd cpu

10:43:45 *: mircea_popescu is curious what comes of this

10:44:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19150 @ 0.00029791 = 5.705 BTC [-]

10:44:42 cazalla: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/340jox/how_okcupid_scammed_me_for_01687626_btc/ dat username lol

10:44:44 assbot: How OkCupid scammed me for 0.1687626 BTC : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1IekYSz )

10:45:05 cazalla: i guess women don't want to hear libertarian shit on okcupid

10:46:13 mircea_popescu: lmao.

10:46:25 mircea_popescu: protip : don't use platforms. they're bad for you.

10:49:37 mircea_popescu: anyway, the differences between me and justusranvier dude are amusing. fetlife vs okcupid, the locus of butthurt, etc.

10:49:50 mircea_popescu: must suck to be poor / powerless / clueless / etc.

10:50:26 cazalla: he actually took a few days off of okcupid because of it.. "Naturally, I reported that conversation for abusive behaviour and I took a break from the site for a few days because frankly I was not expecting that and was a bit shaken from the experience."

10:51:41 mircea_popescu: lol

10:52:09 cazalla: just imagine 6 months later and he's ready to ask her out and she says no.. total melt down instead of moving on to the next one 6 months prior

10:53:25 mircea_popescu: i might be the only one left doing things this way, but afaik the way is, you give the woman a task. she either does it or doesn't.

10:56:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19700 @ 0.00029651 = 5.8412 BTC [-] {2}

10:57:53 davout: cazalla: oh god, this is priceless

10:58:59 davout: see http://fraudsters.com/2015/a-new-lordship-list/#comment-113879

10:59:00 assbot: A new Lordship List ? on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1DsBnMj )

10:59:48 kakobrekla: wait i need to edit the ratings ?

11:00:16 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla yeah go ahead.

11:00:26 mircea_popescu: was giving lazyass foundation peeps time to comment, but nothing lasts 4evar.

11:01:30 kakobrekla: hm

11:01:44 kakobrekla: the current interface does not allow for it

11:01:48 mircea_popescu: o.O

11:02:09 kakobrekla: how convenient.

11:02:27 mircea_popescu: whadda ya mean doesn't allow lol.

11:03:29 kakobrekla: i can make assbot say !rate whatever but it wont eval that

11:03:41 mircea_popescu: haha

11:07:08 mircea_popescu: http://arstechnica.com/security/2015/02/12/notorious-8chan-subboard-has-history-wiped-after-federal-judges-doxing/

11:07:10 assbot: Notorious 8chan “subboard” has history wiped after federal judge’s doxing [Updated] | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1Iep1y4 )

11:07:10 mircea_popescu: o.O

11:08:42 mircea_popescu: unsurprisingly, it was the silk road judge.

11:15:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11600 @ 0.00029791 = 3.4558 BTC [+]

11:19:48 davout: kek

11:20:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26800 @ 0.00029791 = 7.984 BTC [+]

11:33:55 mircea_popescu: davout hey, did fetlife break their signup process ?

12:20:32 williamdunne: Naphex: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/33y97d/our_contribution_to_bitcoin_community/ -- what do you think of this

12:20:34 assbot: Our contribution to Bitcoin community : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1DsNjOd )

12:32:46 davout: mircea_popescu: nfi

12:34:12 davout: williamdunne: some dudes made some code for a matching engine, not really noteworthy

12:34:54 davout: also they claim to have sunk $100k in the development, but somehow they're opensourcing it now, because incorporating somewhere else than russia isn't practical...

12:35:10 davout: williamdunne: weren't you saying you were making one yourself?

12:35:39 jurov: hi davout, you wanted to ask about mailing list?

12:35:59 davout: jurov: yea, i subscribed a few times but never received a confirmation

12:36:44 Naphex: williamdunne: what davout said. C# is a disadvantage though. You'd have to be crazy to run trading infrastructure on windows sesrvers

12:36:55 Naphex: servers *

12:37:16 davout: Naphex: there's this mono thing by miguel de icaza iirc, no idea if it's still a thing tho

12:37:58 williamdunne: Naphex: Run it in mono most likely

12:38:22 williamdunne: davout: I thought some of the structure was pretty cool with the Elixir message queue

12:40:17 mircea_popescu: <davout> williamdunne: some dudes made some code for a matching engine, not really noteworthy << actually it's the most oversupplied intem in stock.

12:40:34 mircea_popescu: in the bitcoin space, "matching engines" are the equivalent of crusted socks in adolescent boys' bedrooms.

12:40:45 williamdunne: nice

12:40:50 mircea_popescu: so many of them, made with an apparent firm conviction that somehow they'll bring recognition...

12:41:52 davout: yep, because you know, what's really needed and important is that they're able to match 1m orders/s instead a meager 10k orders/s

12:44:26 jurov: if someone gave $100k to alf for bitcoind development instead...

12:44:48 mircea_popescu: no, because alf needs actual 100k

12:44:54 mircea_popescu: as opposed to this kind of 100k

12:45:14 jurov: lol true

12:46:59 williamdunne: davout: Isn't the point that the in-theory number is about an order of magnitude higher than what it can handle when in actual use

12:47:47 Naphex: williamdunne: anyway trading engines are not that hard to write, they do require some experience to get right.

12:48:09 jurov: "measured in orders/s P.M.P.O"

12:48:33 davout: williamdunne: not really, if the theoretical number is that different from the actual one, you have a problem

12:49:10 Naphex: williamdunne: the good option is to hire the right people and develop an engine according to your infrastrucutre and needs

12:50:01 williamdunne: davout: Well for example, the Java one that I wrote can match 160k/s when pumping in random data directly. But when we add the overheads for actually accepting and handling orders from customers it will not do close to that

12:50:43 Naphex: williamdunne: you aren't doing 'real-matching'. those stats aren't really saying much

12:50:48 williamdunne: Naphex: True

12:50:59 davout: williamdunne: why? the matching engine should be the only single-threaded bottleneck

12:51:32 davout: you can spread order acceptation, and trade settlement, just not the matching

12:51:52 Naphex: williamdunne: and with binary insert it can do a lot more then tha

12:51:55 davout: and if you can't there's really not that much point in writing something really fast

12:52:04 williamdunne: Naphex: True, I still need to take a proper look at that

12:52:25 williamdunne: Naphex: Still don't understand how to handle the order of the maps though

12:54:04 williamdunne: davout: Haven't looked to much at the architecture of that yet, but you're right

12:54:31 Naphex: williamdunne: in java https://docs.oracle.com/javase/7/docs/api/java/util/Collections.html#binarySearch(java.util.List,%20T)

12:54:33 assbot: Collections (Java Platform SE 7 ) ... ( http://bit.ly/1A5muQ1 )

12:55:04 Naphex: you use binarySearch with a Time-Price to find the insertion point for your order. Thus your list/map will always be sorted

12:56:04 Naphex: Time-Price* Comparator->

12:57:29 Naphex: williamdunne: https://code.google.com/p/alots/source/browse/trunk/alots/src/core/EquityBookEngine.java#206 an example in java

12:57:30 assbot: EquityBookEngine.java - alots - Automated Limit Order Trading Simulator - Google Project Hosting ... ( http://bit.ly/1A5neo9 )

12:57:30 scoopbot_revived: News! What amused me today URL: http://fraudsters.com/2015/what-amused-me-today/

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12:58:36 williamdunne: Naphex: Awesome, I'll have a dig thanks

12:59:13 williamdunne: !rate Naphex 3 Knows his shit, and willing to share it

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12:59:37 assbot: Successfully updated the rating for Naphex from 2 to 3 with note: Knows his shit, and willing to share it

13:00:26 mircea_popescu: lol fecal transplant

13:00:53 williamdunne: !rate davout 1 paymium

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13:11:13 davout: this justusranvier thing keeps on giving

13:11:32 davout: "Are you sure the reason you assume the admin was correct is because the admin was paid, and not because of the genders of the involved parties?"

13:12:00 mircea_popescu: heh.

13:12:48 BingoBoingo: On the typical USian dating site, gender matters. Other than on grinder the dating site will rarely ever have a shortage of dicks.

13:13:11 mircea_popescu: grinder has a shortage of dicks ?!

13:15:12 BingoBoingo: Prolly

13:15:49 mircea_popescu: da fuck is it anyway

13:15:53 *: mircea_popescu goes to look at this wonder

13:16:37 BingoBoingo: Grindr's the one dicks use to find nearby dicks

13:16:50 davout: and now, hearn and him are stuck derping at how micro-payments and smart contracts would have prevented the whole thing

13:17:21 davout: obviously hearn concludes that it's really necessary to push the block size

13:17:26 mircea_popescu: lol

13:17:56 mircea_popescu: so fucking stupid this. who the shit would enter into a contract with justus ranvier and why exactly ?

13:18:04 mircea_popescu: "we will deliver chicks to you because you're so speshul"

13:19:06 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i wonder if gay sites have a serious problem with supplying enough bottoms.

13:21:36 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It is amazing how much more productive the conversation gets when discussing logistics of dating sites instead of derping over bans

13:21:36 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

13:21:52 mircea_popescu: lol

13:22:04 mircea_popescu: "Another part is a distributed marketplace for dispute resolution based on smart contracts."

13:22:07 jurov: waitwhat? in murica chicks flock to grindr?

13:22:08 mircea_popescu: ahahaha o gawdy.

13:22:37 jurov: what's this "justusranvier thing"?

13:22:42 mircea_popescu: "No thanks. I'll keep using my card. It has way too many benefits not to. I'll switch to Bitcoin when it's easier to use, offers buyer protection and has more benefits than cc's. Which won't be anytime soon." << funny how dynamic equilibrium perceived as static works.

13:22:55 mircea_popescu: dude proceeds from this locus where no matter what, he will keep on getting money on his govt issued card.

13:23:09 mircea_popescu: because no matter what, govt will keep getting that money, and keep seeing him as a worthy expense.

13:23:11 mircea_popescu: no matter what

13:23:13 mircea_popescu: no matt...

13:23:31 mircea_popescu: bitcoin doesn't take over through convincing random fuckwit of "more benefits". bitcoin takes over by raping the state. permanently.

13:24:08 mircea_popescu: then OboombaIII is more than welcome to use all his cards for all the benefits he wants, whatever they may be. it won't be food, but hey, a rich life of the mind doth not require material contraptions.

13:25:19 williamdunne: bitcoin doesn't take over through convincing random fuckwit of "more benefits". bitcoin takes over by raping the state. permanently. <<< See, I totally agree with this. But this is why I think that there should be bigger blocks (not Gavin's proposal, but statically bigger). Easier to rape the state surely if its less inconvenient and more people can do so

13:25:46 mircea_popescu: im not sure how the logic worked there.

13:26:01 williamdunne: More = More basically

13:26:17 williamdunne: More people = More raping and pillaging

13:26:24 mircea_popescu: more lice = better health.

13:26:27 BingoBoingo: williamdunne: Nah, then you just end up bloating the chain with welfare spam

13:26:29 mircea_popescu: more white cells = better immunity.

13:26:38 mircea_popescu: more water = better beach

13:26:38 mircea_popescu: wtf ?!

13:26:59 williamdunne: Not saying it holds up with everything

13:27:12 mircea_popescu: so then why wopuld it hold up here.

13:27:51 BingoBoingo: Moar White cells https://i.imgur.com/KsoGPjO.jpg

13:27:52 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ovk20W )

13:28:18 williamdunne: Because if more people are able to keep their funds away from government tendrils, it seems like it would do more damage than a few. While a few people have a lot of money to hide, a lot of people can be turned against them (i.e "evil tax avoiders") and violence works

13:29:32 mircea_popescu: if violence worked, the situation wouldn't be stable currently.

13:29:41 mircea_popescu: what was it, 1% of world pop owns 50% of assets or what ?

13:30:36 mircea_popescu: besides, a little bit of violence would go a very long way towards resolving most of the western problems currently.

13:31:10 williamdunne: Well yeah, but the violence I'm describing is going against the people who shouldn't be receiving it

13:31:43 mircea_popescu: the thing with violence is that it's pretty self-explainatory.

13:31:53 mircea_popescu: if you're receiving it, you should have been.

13:32:31 williamdunne: How so?

13:32:44 mircea_popescu: what do you mean how so ?

13:33:05 williamdunne: Well there are lots of instances of violence where the people committing it should have been on the receiving end

13:34:09 mircea_popescu: according to whom ?

13:34:32 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-04-2015#1112429 << if they had used hot ones, would be unstoppable

13:34:32 assbot: Logged on 27-04-2015 09:22:40; mircea_popescu: well, they did invent them alright. they just made the mistake to make them women.

13:34:59 mircea_popescu: hot women don't work for idiots. governments are always hierarchies of idiots. ergo...

13:35:11 mircea_popescu: as a government, all you can get is beta males and menopausal females.

13:35:32 mircea_popescu: soviets sunk on the former, the us is sinking on the latter, pretty much.

13:35:47 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-04-2015#1112439 << while i should like to see this happen (who wouldn't) - must confess that it is a titanic problem, not unlike bitcoin manufacturing incidentally. one ends up building a gigantic funnel of btc to usd

13:35:47 assbot: Logged on 27-04-2015 10:29:08; mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes / asciilifeform : re "build an exhaustive knowledge of every company that has ever made computer parts and an exhaustive understanding of which parts were made well and not at which point in time." << the correct approach to this is to do what mp has been saying needs doing for ages and start a bitcoin hoster.

13:36:06 williamdunne: Relatively sensible consensus, i.e holocaust was bad, Armenian massacre is bad.

13:36:26 williamdunne: asciilifeform: Bitcoin hoster?

13:36:41 asciilifeform: williamdunne: aha. it is one of those notably-absent animals

13:36:52 mircea_popescu: williamdunne consensus of whom ?!

13:37:00 asciilifeform: (various wildlife claim to do it, yes. but no one in wot. and therefore it Does Not Exist)

13:37:23 williamdunne: asciilifeform: No I mean literally what does it mean, a bitcoin web-hosting company?

13:37:40 mircea_popescu: well, not necessarily web, people might want to host irc servers, etc. but yes.

13:37:41 williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Most, although I guess thats overly democratic

13:37:47 asciilifeform: williamdunne: bitcoin in, leased machines out.

13:37:58 williamdunne: asciilifeform: Yeah, I'd like to see one not operated by a tool

13:38:08 williamdunne: mircea_popescu: I think its fair to say holocaust is bad

13:38:24 mircea_popescu: williamdunne but these aren't involved third parties. so the burned jews are too dead to say, and the burning germans are also too dead to say. at the time however it stands to reason the victims all agreed they shouldn't be victims, and the perpetrator agreed on the contrary pov.

13:38:34 mircea_popescu: it being bad is one thing.

13:38:44 jurov: williamdunne i am trying to put something together , maybe with TomServo but never did it before

13:39:11 williamdunne: !gettrust jurov

13:39:11 assbot: Trust relationship from user williamdunne to user jurov: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 5 via 4 connections. | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=williamdunne&to=jurov | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/jurov/

13:39:15 jurov: i mean i have worked in a colo cage before, but never build one from scratch

13:39:15 mircea_popescu: there's a space between "x is bad" and "x shouldn't have happened".

13:39:31 williamdunne: Yeah, for sure I'd be glad to use it if you do

13:39:42 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-04-2015#1112442 << imho this is catastrophically misguided. in the same logic one might suppose that experience manufacturing dog food should be best qualifier for opening a fine steak restaurant

13:39:42 assbot: Logged on 27-04-2015 10:29:33; mircea_popescu: because nobody knows about computer parts quite like the people doing procurement for a datacenter. so if you run your own metal and sublet to people, you're in the best position to learn these exactly.

13:39:55 williamdunne: mircea_popescu: So the violence was just? Sorry I'm struggling to follow.

13:40:13 mircea_popescu: violence is always just by its own measure. that's what violence is.

13:40:38 asciilifeform: for instance, i regard experience with intel boxes as entirely irrelevant to what a hypothetical proper 'sommelier' would do.

13:40:41 mircea_popescu: you might not agree, but it doth not ask you.

13:40:55 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how would you achieve this regard other than through experience ?

13:41:24 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: very much through experience. but i do not know if anyone actually has this kind of experience.

13:41:26 jurov: i have seen numerous people stick to one thing only "because of experience"

13:41:37 asciilifeform: and data center procurement is the last place i'd expect to find it.

13:41:58 mircea_popescu: you similarly don't expect to find experience with cars and car parts at the mechanic's ?

13:42:02 asciilifeform: these folks can speak for cost - yes, reliability - sometimes, sure

13:42:08 williamdunne: mircea_popescu: So if I were to beat you, it would be just for violence's sake?

13:42:14 asciilifeform: but patrons of 'sommelier' are presumably interested in something more

13:42:20 mircea_popescu: williamdunne if you manage it, you've managed it, right ?

13:42:30 williamdunne: mircea_popescu: But I don't see how that makes it just

13:43:03 mircea_popescu: well, "just" only exists in a certain context. in the context of violence itself, there's no space for more functions than "DidItHappen()" which returns a bool.

13:43:08 jurov: mircea_popescu: you ever asked multiple automechanics which car is the most reliable?

13:43:25 mircea_popescu: if you construct more complex spaces you get "WasItGood()" and "ShouldItHaveHappened()" etc, but now you are also stuck with the complexity.

13:43:30 jurov: it's usually 2 people 3 answers situation

13:43:31 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i would have approached from different angle, and suggested that sommelier must have actual understanding of how the damn thing works. as well as a certain amount of reverse-engineering capability.

13:43:33 williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Ah okay, right. That make more sense

13:43:34 mircea_popescu: jurov ayup.

13:43:39 williamdunne: I was more meaning morality

13:43:59 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah but yu're a deductive nut. whereas the job of a sommelier is ipso definitio inductive.

13:44:15 mircea_popescu: no sommelier "deduces" what the better wine is on the basis of watching winemaking videos or some shit

13:44:28 mircea_popescu: williamdunne so how do you enact that morality ?

13:44:35 jurov: well, imagine how would it work. i'll buy 10 kinds of various crap, observe for years how it behaves

13:44:44 mircea_popescu: hopefully something more substantial than "most people agree"

13:44:52 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the data center thing would be ideal, i agree, if anyone actually ran amd-only data centers

13:44:52 jurov: and in the meantime they are not manufactured anymore

13:44:59 asciilifeform: and jurov has it

13:45:06 mircea_popescu: jurov yeh that's a problem.

13:45:22 asciilifeform: even u.s. dod (pentagon) thought this was a problem.

13:45:27 asciilifeform: attempted to solve, even.

13:45:33 williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Well thats hard to summarize with a formulae as its relative. Normally I would favour the person who was most productive prior to said violence

13:45:36 williamdunne: But its murky at best

13:47:03 mircea_popescu: this "most productive" approach is how you got eminent domain.

13:47:48 asciilifeform: i must confess that i have a rather pessimistic view of the sommelier thing because the feedstock is already mind-bogglingly scarce, and the market has been flooded with crud for long enough that -everyone with serious experience has the bulk of his serious experience with crud-

13:47:59 mircea_popescu: anyway, violence has the marked ethical advantage that it removes people from the goop where they imagine they are in control of their environmenty and the future.

13:48:04 mircea_popescu: makes for much more pleasant people.

13:48:16 williamdunne: I'll agree with that one

13:48:43 mircea_popescu: one of those nimby problems : violence is not only great, in the general, but sorely needed for functioning society.

13:48:48 mircea_popescu: meanwhile, nobody wishes it in his own yard.

13:49:27 mircea_popescu: and so california is running out of water because while population doubled, water works have not been allowed to go forward ; and the us is ethically collapsing because hey... no useful violence to be had.

13:49:56 mircea_popescu: the police are trying to compensate, what with the random raping of middle class derps, but it's really a toothpick in a levy breach

13:52:19 williamdunne: mircea_popescu: I don't think they are actively trying to compensate, just a side effect

13:52:22 nubbins`: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-04-2015#1112284 << you'd be surprised at how little LSD this takes

13:52:22 assbot: Logged on 27-04-2015 03:51:55; asciilifeform: in the sense of with sufficient lsd everything is quite like everything else ?

13:52:24 williamdunne: Not that it makes much difference

13:52:29 mircea_popescu: well obviously they wouldn't be aware.

13:52:57 nubbins`: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-04-2015#1112663 << being a sommelier is more about developing your tongue and nose than about memorizing the taste of x different types of wines

13:52:58 assbot: Logged on 27-04-2015 13:47:48; asciilifeform: i must confess that i have a rather pessimistic view of the sommelier thing because the feedstock is already mind-bogglingly scarce, and the market has been flooded with crud for long enough that -everyone with serious experience has the bulk of his serious experience with crud-

13:53:46 nubbins`: if you see an old man at the grocery store, walking around the produce section and picking up and smelling EVERYTHING, they're probably a sommelier

13:53:47 asciilifeform: nubbins`: the thread concerned a conversation we had at c3 about a hypothetical profession of 'computer sommelier'

13:54:08 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes summarized it, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-04-2015#1112386

13:54:08 assbot: Logged on 27-04-2015 05:51:14; scoopbot_revived: News! fyooturgigs: knife sharpener, garbage-sorter, computational sommelier URL: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/04/26_fyooturgigs-knife-sharpener-garbage-sorter-computational-sommelier.html

13:54:09 nubbins`: ah, and here i am on wine

13:54:13 nubbins`: yeah, agreed 100%

13:54:21 williamdunne: Sommelier = Citizen of La Serenissima?

13:54:30 nubbins`: williamdunne sommelier = wine guy

13:54:35 williamdunne: Lol

13:54:40 williamdunne: Okay, I was a mile off

13:54:44 mircea_popescu: nubbins` they're prolly just bored

13:54:57 nubbins`: mircea_popescu being a sommelier is pretty boring.

13:55:06 nubbins`: your friends tend to come in 750mL bottles

13:55:12 mircea_popescu: lol

13:55:30 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: incidentally, why i suggested 'sommelier' as term for the hypothetical: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2014#582380

13:55:30 assbot: Logged on 26-03-2014 03:27:12; asciilifeform: re: commoditized 'innovation' - here's a snipped from me turdbox. translation of a page in pelevin's epic 'snuff' (the one with s/ukraine/orkaine, 'orcs', etc)

13:55:43 asciilifeform: (see ancient snippet in that thread)

13:55:44 nubbins`: but srs, i've given a glass of wine to a L2 sommelier and he told me /which country and which grape/ it was made from

13:56:13 nubbins`: guy's maybe 32 years old

13:56:37 nubbins`: with a decade and a half of wine tasting under his belt

13:56:52 mircea_popescu: more power to him

13:57:08 nubbins`: "tastes like lychee" "wtf does lychee taste like?" "let's go to the grocery store..."

13:57:24 nubbins`: skills like this, i have a soft spot for

13:57:45 nubbins`: my old man used to work with this guy who claimed he could identify ~12 species of wood by smell alone

13:58:04 nubbins`: so the old man brings in 12 wooden blanks for turning pens, and a blindfold.

13:58:24 nubbins`: guy aces 11 of the 12, declares 12th to be "X or Y", and sure enough it was X

13:58:33 asciilifeform: nubbins`: skills that cannot be faked or debased, i have a soft spot for, yes. but the fraudsters did find the pill against this, and it was to build entire fraudwots that cancerously spiderweb across any passageway whereby the layman might wander in

13:58:56 asciilifeform: and that's how we get the faux-sommeliers who cannot distinguish red from white-with-food-colouring

13:59:37 asciilifeform: or go and find me a data center guy who won't recommend an intel box, ever.

13:59:38 nubbins`: ever watch "hell's kitchen"? it's not uncommon for "contestants" to be unable to distinguish pork from chicken by taste alone

13:59:57 nubbins`: TBF this gave me a serious case of the o.Os

14:00:10 asciilifeform: nubbins`: were these folks claiming to be professional 'tasters' ?

14:00:18 nubbins`: naw. aspiring famous chefs.

14:00:22 nubbins`: different specie

14:00:31 asciilifeform: anybody can 'aspire' to whatever.

14:00:36 nubbins`: heh

14:00:46 asciilifeform: but if you learned that these folks -were making a living as chefs- ?

14:01:12 asciilifeform: and that if you were not in -their- wot, you had no chance as a chef ?

14:01:15 nubbins`: it would be my sad

14:01:48 nubbins`: TBF i don't think i have a chance as a chef anyway

14:02:02 *: asciilifeform is also not a chef

14:02:05 asciilifeform: but for sake of argument.

14:02:16 asciilifeform: do you see how the situation is analogous to the 'electronics chef' thing ?

14:02:19 nubbins`: not because of lack of skill -- i put my way through university cooking and i can blow any self-described "chef" outta the water

14:02:27 nubbins`: but because i don't have the patience to earn the red seal

14:02:31 *: mircea_popescu is a chef, for all the diff it makes

14:02:41 nubbins`: nor to condemn myself to working in restaurant kitchens

14:02:53 mircea_popescu: oh, seals we mean ? aoknm.

14:03:05 nubbins`: asciilifeform the space of "humans who grok their fields" is ever-shrinking

14:03:09 mircea_popescu: why do we care about THAT issuer again ?

14:03:19 nubbins`: *we* don't, the restauranteurs do

14:03:30 nubbins`: for the same reason the places hiring programmers care about the B.Sc.

14:03:38 nubbins`: not because it implies skill or suitability for the position

14:03:52 nubbins`: but because it implies the holder is willing to waste time in pursuit of a "maybe"

14:04:04 *: mircea_popescu finds it harder and harder to care about whatever the derps outside do.

14:04:05 nubbins`: which is a really nice feature for your employees to have

14:04:25 mircea_popescu: but aptly put.

14:04:29 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu finds it harder and harder to care about whatever the derps outside do. << this is the very definition of atomic dirigible.

14:04:57 mircea_popescu: i guess it must be

14:05:02 davout: mike_c: could you make it possibru to zoom on the wot graphs?

14:05:03 asciilifeform: not that it is a bad thing - but that the lessons learned inside such a machine are uniquely inapplicable to folks on the groud

14:05:05 asciilifeform: *ground

14:05:14 mircea_popescu: davout it's a svn, you should be able to zoom natively

14:05:21 asciilifeform: svg?

14:05:26 mircea_popescu: ya that one

14:05:29 nubbins`: many of the lessons learned inside the kitchen are uniquely inapplicable outside, as well.

14:05:42 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lol this re the me vs rnavier piece ?

14:05:47 mircea_popescu: nubbins` not that many, i find!

14:05:50 asciilifeform: ah no

14:05:55 asciilifeform: re: the 'fuck diplomas' thing

14:05:56 nubbins`: "don't touch black things because they might be hot enough to send you to the hospital" :D

14:06:05 mircea_popescu: i know for a fact my knowledge of welting and bruising helped cooking

14:06:14 davout: mircea_popescu: doesn't really work for some reason, also the SVG tags are embedded directly in the HTML, makes it impossible to open in new tab for example

14:06:26 mircea_popescu: ah that's a point.

14:06:33 nubbins`: mircea_popescu do you find that argentinians mallet the fuck out of steaks?

14:06:35 mircea_popescu: should be a file img src ?

14:06:42 mircea_popescu: nubbins` nope.

14:06:50 nubbins`: i found this to be almost the rule in peru, wondered if the epidemic was more widespread

14:07:01 mircea_popescu: speaking of which : i had a proper bleue davout! quarter inch cooked on each side, one inch pure cold red inside

14:07:07 Adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-04-2015#1112435 << that is an advantage in roughly the same manner as bezzle automagically condensating on a plastic card in my position, is an advantage

14:07:07 assbot: Logged on 27-04-2015 09:28:24; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-04-2015#1112293 << on one end. on the other end, it has the advantage that it can allow *everyone* to pretend like they're part of the conversation. here people know nobody is listening to them, because they have no voice. on facebook/reddit/etc, every idiot can pretend that he's being heard because he can read himself and so why not.

14:07:07 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the rnavier thing - fella went into the scorpion pit, for no apparent reason, got stung a bit. big whoop.

14:07:10 nubbins`: "i'll have the steak sandwich" (server takes out heavy maul and nice steak)

14:07:10 mircea_popescu: i thought of you the whole time.

14:07:25 mircea_popescu: nubbins` they prollydo it for the milanesas

14:07:42 nubbins`: o no doubt

14:08:20 mircea_popescu: Adlai it is, no ?

14:08:53 Adlai: it's an advantage within certain constraints, which are rather invisible from inside the cage

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14:09:40 nubbins`: oh, meantime, i purchased a micro-registration head for the t-shirt press, to evaluate

14:09:41 mircea_popescu: aham.

14:09:57 nubbins`: only had to drill two holes through 1.4" aluminum to install

14:10:01 nubbins`: and it FITS LIKE A GLOVE

14:10:18 *: nubbins` searches for pic

14:11:39 jurov: !s justusranvier

14:11:40 assbot: 474 results for 'justusranvier' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=justusranvier

14:11:47 nubbins`: the fuckers quite obviously dropped the thing on the ground when packaging, one of the bolts is severely bent

14:12:09 nubbins`: but luckily all the connections are rose joints and there's *just* enough clearance for the thing to still work

14:12:55 mircea_popescu: jurov guy made a reddit post complaining about how okcupid canned his acct.

14:13:04 mircea_popescu: kinda lulzy in multiple ways.

14:13:52 nubbins`: imgur just gets shittier

14:14:38 mircea_popescu: !gettrust justusranvier

14:14:42 assbot: Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user justusranvier: Level 1: 1, Level 2: -2 via 7 connections. | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=mircea_popescu&to=justusranvier | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/justusranvier/

14:14:49 mircea_popescu: o.O

14:15:06 nubbins`: here's the beast: http://i.imgur.com/U9006ln.jpg

14:15:07 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1FrhMSC )

14:15:10 asciilifeform: iirc he went vocally and publicly with gavincoin

14:15:36 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> and so california is running out of water because while population doubled, water works have not been allowed to go forward ; and the us is ethically collapsing because hey... no useful violence to be had << Also the part where the largest agricultural use of water in California is... Alfalfa... for export to China as livestock fodder...

14:15:58 nubbins`: good ol' free trade

14:16:11 nubbins`: let's feed all our clean water to alfalfa plants so we can ship them overseash

14:16:20 nubbins`: and buy bottled water with the money

14:16:35 Adlai: please tell me about your water problems

14:16:55 asciilifeform: 'tell me again about the waters of your home world!' (TM) (R) 'Dune'

14:16:59 nubbins`: i don't have any water problems, i'm from eastern canada

14:17:25 davout: jurov: did my test e-mail to btd-dev work? received some feedback myself, just making sure it's all wired up correctly on my end

14:17:31 nubbins`: here's two arms of the press, one without the micro registration head and one with: http://imgur.com/aOcDnzQ

14:17:31 assbot: Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1bvXY4n )

14:17:33 mircea_popescu: !rate justusranvier -1 I dunno, afaik he's just kinda derpy (see http://fraudsters.com/2015/what-amused-me-today/ etc) but my WoT hates him now, and so I can't in good conscience keep a meaningless +1, nor do I want to set it to 0 because then it gets deleted. Brb adding footnotes to this rating.

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14:17:39 Adlai: some hypothesize that the root cause of the middle east confilict is... water

14:18:05 mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.justusranvier.-1:99670a7a9a8b4ce30196f7fa777da821fbb9e8635a61028891d78c7246f8bd24

14:18:05 assbot: Successfully updated the rating for justusranvier from 1 to -1 with note: I dunno, afaik he's just kinda derpy (see http://fraudsters.com/2015/what-amused-me-today/ etc) but my WoT hates him now, and so I can't in good conscience keep a meaningless +1, nor do I want to set it to 0 because then it gets deleted. Brb adding footnotes to this rating.

14:18:10 nubbins`: (the black parts labelled

14:18:13 mircea_popescu: haha nice.

14:18:22 nubbins`: "OK" should give an idea of what's been added)

14:18:29 asciilifeform: nubbins`: this looks very much like the solder paste press i was considering buying

14:18:31 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo no more vegetables ?

14:18:35 asciilifeform: i guess basic principle is similar

14:18:55 jurov: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-April/000085.html davout you mean this one?

14:18:56 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1bvYeR5 )

14:18:58 nubbins`: asciilifeform silkscreening is silkscreening, the only major differences are (a) the emulsion spread on screens to hold images, and (b) the inks

14:19:09 davout: jurov: affirm

14:19:18 nubbins`: i could silkscreen PCBs with this setup if i was OK with the fumes and caustic chems

14:19:20 BingoBoingo: <nubbins`> let's feed all our clean water to alfalfa plants so we can ship them overseash << But It's the only way to get some of these shipping containers back to China in a manner other than empty!

14:19:30 mircea_popescu: Adlai how good is that hypothesis in your eyes ?

14:19:44 nubbins`: BingoBoingo you mean the redditards haven't turned them all into "sweet $2,000 off-grid houses" yet?

14:19:44 asciilifeform: nubbins`: silkscreen for pcb looks quite like this also. paste press is a somewhat different item, applies substance with consistency of toothpaste

14:19:45 jurov: davout it was received, sent, archived.. what else did you expect?

14:19:56 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Still vegetables, but... Not as many.

14:19:59 davout: jurov: george clooney, some nespresso

14:20:12 nubbins`: asciilifeform the white inks i use are somewhere between dried toothpaste and drywall compound in consistency

14:20:18 nubbins`: nofun.jpg

14:20:27 *: jurov hands davout hipster decaf coffe with non-dairy creamer sweetened by stevia

14:20:36 mircea_popescu: stevia is a sweetener ?!

14:20:43 nubbins`: mircea_popescu imagine hey?

14:20:50 asciilifeform: nubbins`: solderpaste is even less fun, because actually is a suspension of metal balls. and if you misapply it, you get defects

14:20:52 Adlai: mircea_popescu: there's some truth to it (pretty awesome owning both sides of the lake!) but it seems like an overly narrow version of "it's just tribal hysteresia that hasn't yet settled"

14:20:53 mircea_popescu: it's just slightly bitter wtf.

14:21:09 nubbins`: asciilifeform hm i bet you need some low mesh counts for that

14:21:13 davout: mircea_popescu: yup http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coca-Cola_Life

14:21:14 assbot: Coca-Cola Life - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1bvYIGW )

14:21:15 jurov: mircea_popescu: one can get used to it

14:21:24 punkman: I saw ketchup with stevia at the super the other day

14:21:26 nubbins`: we have some metallic inks that require ~80 threads per inch

14:21:35 nubbins`: normal screens for paper printing: 305tpi

14:21:45 mircea_popescu: Adlai i for one believe it's driven by women. specifically : the arabs understand voicing women is a problem and don't understand how to fix it, whereas the jews/xtians/other european colonists don't understand voicing women is a problem.

14:22:33 punkman: mircea_popescu: stevia extract is pretty sweet

14:22:39 punkman: I hate it though

14:22:48 nubbins`: ever since that episode of Breaking Bad?

14:22:49 Adlai: well it's tricky, because (arabs != muslims != those in conflict) with (jews != israelis != zionists)

14:23:13 mircea_popescu: sure. but the groups are broadly arabs / jews+euros.

14:23:19 mircea_popescu: different degrees of heat.

14:23:31 Adlai: there is such a thing as "arab jews", they'll just stab you if you call them that

14:23:36 Adlai: they make up a large part of israel's population

14:23:46 nubbins`: guy's got a point

14:23:48 mircea_popescu: what do they self identify as ?

14:23:52 williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Whats wrong with voicing women?

14:23:59 Adlai: "sepharadic" jews

14:24:12 mircea_popescu: williamdunne they favour "safety", and tend to misunderstand it.

14:24:28 mircea_popescu: ahahahaha... Adlai cruisin' for a bruisin' online lawl

14:24:37 Adlai: from "spharad" = spain, where they got kicked out from by the inquisitors, picked up some arab culture and genes for a few centuries, then immigrated here during the last

14:24:43 williamdunne: But there is nothing wrong with voicing women who are risk tolerant?

14:24:59 mircea_popescu: williamdunne what's "risk tolerant" ?

14:25:29 williamdunne: Able to handle risk, i.e doesn't favour safety

14:25:34 nubbins`: lel.

14:25:36 mircea_popescu: women are very risk tolerant, by nature.

14:25:51 mircea_popescu: they'll get pregnant, for one.

14:26:16 nubbins`: oh man, only 4 days til the creature moves out

14:26:25 nubbins`: caught a rare glimpse of him today

14:26:27 mircea_popescu: that doesn't directly relate to the totally nutso things they do with their children. find one woman that considers a plain "don't worry about this one, you can make another" as an adequate condoleance over her dead baby.

14:26:34 williamdunne: Isn't that de-risking in their opinion? An attempt to secure a spouse?

14:26:55 mircea_popescu: nah, just, protective parenting.

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14:27:33 asciilifeform: is this not because 'can make another' is not entirely a given? expensive operation (per yesterday's thread)

14:27:46 mircea_popescu: so it is.

14:28:00 mircea_popescu: the problem is that an overly protective attitude towards children ruins them.

14:28:18 mircea_popescu: this worked fine back when the species was powerless, because nobody really cared what women derped about.

14:28:33 mircea_popescu: as we've become powerful, they've suddenly got a major problem. much worse than teh nuclear bomb, really.

14:29:00 asciilifeform: !s social osteoporosis

14:29:00 assbot: 2 results for 'social osteoporosis' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=social+osteoporosis

14:29:04 mircea_popescu: aptly named.

14:29:47 mircea_popescu: kinda why the public discourse in natoland is so female centric these days btw. it's not some evil conspiracy against men, it's just, we've managed to dig out a very gendered problem and the bitchez are stuck trying to fix it.

14:29:48 nubbins`: asciilifeform after looking at some solder paste press setups, yeah, you could 100% do this in my basement

14:30:11 davout: my wife doesn't understand when i tell her that newborns sort of have to be "adopted" by the father at some point

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14:30:20 nubbins`: almost certainly w/o even changing any of the chems or supplies

14:30:31 mircea_popescu: davout how you mean ?

14:32:23 davout: basically that women pretty much count a new child as "existing" as soon as they can feel it in their flesh, whereas men must wait to see the baby

14:32:33 mircea_popescu: !up Swadq

14:32:40 mircea_popescu: i guess that's a point.

14:32:54 davout: source of misunderstandings some time :)

14:33:10 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market buttstamp

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14:33:20 nubbins`: http://www.ami.ac.uk/courses/topics/0222_print/

14:33:20 assbot: Screen and stencil printing ... ( http://bit.ly/1bw19Jp )

14:34:01 nubbins`: fascinating

14:34:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18630 @ 0.0003005 = 5.5983 BTC [+]

14:34:34 nubbins`: incidentally, all this shit experienced a revival in western art because of warhol. and you should see pictures of the fuckin equipment he used. super wtf.

14:34:42 mircea_popescu: anyway, the "fixing" by and large leans towards denial there's any problem whatsoever, so far. which is why the war. to get back to the original point with adlai.

14:38:23 nubbins`: http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/4345/photozino.jpg

14:38:27 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1bw2dwU )

14:38:29 nubbins`: ^ warhol silkscreen

14:38:33 nubbins`: looks like metal mesh

14:38:51 nubbins`: also 46 is an impossibly low mesh count.

14:39:26 mircea_popescu: it does look like a metal mesh

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14:42:15 nubbins`: http://www.gigposters.com/forums/showthread.php?t=153345

14:42:18 assbot: How did Warhol print? ... ( http://bit.ly/1bw3010 )

14:42:33 nubbins`: couple of the guys in that thread actually inherited some old warhol gear, pretty neat

14:42:52 nubbins`: stalkers are also welcome to try finding me on the gp forums

14:43:00 mod6: <+mircea_popescu> was giving lazyass foundation peeps time to comment, but nothing lasts 4evar. << My apologies, all set.

14:43:27 mircea_popescu: haha thanks mod6

14:43:29 nubbins`: "got a chance to look at a bunch up close in a gallery in hawaii, the ink was caked on and cracked all over. He used a bunch of different printers. the actual production of the art was no biggie, he just found images with halftones already and blew them up in a camera, or if he took the polaroids when he was doing all the portraits, he added a halftone small, then blew them up to make them go ratty. rubies were cut (or stencils) for b/g,

14:43:29 nubbins`: and many times the printers were just given a bunch of colours and combos to work through."

14:44:10 mircea_popescu: basically more of the same "warhol is this whore who made a lot of money and we being from america think this is art"

14:44:46 nubbins`: pretty much

14:45:06 nubbins`: "the ink was caked on and cracked all over" was saddening to read

14:45:21 mircea_popescu: then all the derps hoping it wears off go all nutty "Any of you have some light to shed on a few of these questions?

14:45:21 mircea_popescu: What method did he use for photo exposure? What did he use for positives, lith film using reversal process?"

14:45:25 mircea_popescu: dude... he just did WHATEVER.

14:45:38 mircea_popescu: now go find a woman to be nice and sense-of-humour-y to.

14:45:49 nubbins`: heh

14:45:53 nubbins`: he really did just do whatever

14:45:56 mircea_popescu: yup.

14:46:05 nubbins`: generally didn't even pull the squeegee himself

14:46:16 nubbins`: just stood around being weird and told people to do shit

14:46:28 mircea_popescu: hey, he knew his market.

14:46:39 nubbins`: ayup

14:47:03 nubbins`: silkscreen's this weird thing

14:47:14 nubbins`: it's a difficult skill to master, really difficult

14:47:28 nubbins`: if you ever wonder why "grunge texture" got so popular in gig posters and silkscreened art prints

14:47:44 nubbins`: it's because the creators didn't know wtf they were doing and were unable to pull clean prints

14:47:48 mircea_popescu: lol

14:47:55 nubbins`: so they added "grunge texture" in photoshop to cover up their shit technique

14:47:57 mircea_popescu: INDUSTRY STANDARD

14:48:29 nubbins`: "now you can' tell if it's because it's on purpose, or because my mesh hasnt been changed in 5 years so it's noisy and has zero tension"

14:49:04 nubbins`: not bragging or anything but i've never seen any silkscreen prints that are better than my own

14:49:13 nubbins`: and i've been all over the world tracking the shit down

14:49:56 mircea_popescu: you do find the stupidest shit to dedicate yourself to...

14:50:09 mircea_popescu: silksreen, bitcoin, wood collection...

14:50:34 nubbins`: hey, the only wood i collect these days is in pressed-pulp form

14:50:49 nubbins`: but yeah, drugs and bitcoin are prolly the 2 stupidest so far

14:51:54 *: nubbins` was dismayed at rudimentary binding techniques used by the atelier that inspired him to start printing on paper

14:55:04 Adlai: not to mention landlording cretins

14:57:06 nubbins`: Adlai hey that only happened once!

14:57:28 nubbins`: altho i should tell you stories about the roommate who didn't have a sense of smell...

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15:32:00 Pierre_Rochard: !v assbot:Pierre_Rochard.unrate.princessnell:83423ea79363cda1fd56982be4dada56ba9beaf8163d808fd5574f0b494f8275

15:32:00 assbot: Successfully unrated princessnell

15:38:44 pete_dushenski: "China says no more strippers at funerals. A statement from the Ministry of Culture on Thursday said the government is working with local police to stop suggestive funeral performances, which are intended to draw more mourners to the events." << whatever it takes to be best most popular dead guy.

15:39:09 BingoBoingo: Well, if it works...

15:39:17 pete_dushenski: well of course it works

15:39:33 pete_dushenski: giving away free money would work too

15:39:49 mircea_popescu: tbh, i think that is a fine idea

15:39:59 mircea_popescu: nude bitchez funeral.

15:40:36 BingoBoingo: Anyway, funeral is kinda supposed to be a celebration.

15:41:27 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hey, you want a dump of all these derpy exploits i keep getting emailed ?

15:42:09 *: Pierre_Rochard can already see pete_dushenski sitting shiva with close relatives and strippers

15:42:23 pete_dushenski: lol

15:42:37 pete_dushenski: yes, when parents croak, why not ?

15:42:55 Pierre_Rochard: a week of moral support, seems reasonable

15:43:23 pete_dushenski: there are worse ways to use your inheritence.

15:43:49 *: pete_dushenski suspects inheritance will actually go to spca or tree-planting in israel but w/e

15:46:58 pete_dushenski: "you might want to think twice before you use Groupon (GRPN) to keep things safe. The Australian branch of the deal-scoring website is recalling a number of condoms sold between March 12th and April 10th. The condoms, labeled as Durex turned out to be counterfeit and the Australian Government Department of Health warns that they could have holes poked in them." << there are things to cut coupons for and then the

15:46:59 pete_dushenski: re's condoms.

15:47:46 pete_dushenski: day-old muffins doth not compare to a freaking child

15:51:56 mircea_popescu: why would there be holes poked in them ?!

15:53:28 pete_dushenski: terrorists.

15:54:24 pete_dushenski: terrorists who want australian deal-seekers to deplete the island's public and natural resources.

15:54:44 pete_dushenski: it's a long-term game.

16:01:49 BingoBoingo: !up walltime

16:10:32 Adlai: my rentmate dumped a chick for merely jesting about poking holes in his condoms

16:17:48 mircea_popescu: sound.

16:18:03 mircea_popescu: never just one cockroach in that kitchen.

16:20:28 mircea_popescu: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cantor_Fitzgerald << check it out, the gaw embarassment is chasing fraser all the way to wikipedia

16:20:29 assbot: Cantor Fitzgerald - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1DtTLVh )

16:22:07 williamdunne: Lol

16:22:18 williamdunne: How long until he tries to remove it?

16:22:49 mircea_popescu: doubt he's that dumb.

16:23:07 williamdunne: Smarter men have done dumber things

16:23:11 mircea_popescu: ^ "GAW Miners CEO Admits to Charity Fraud". Retrieved 2015-04-27.

16:23:12 mircea_popescu: ahem

16:24:02 williamdunne: !getrating mircea_popescu

16:24:27 williamdunne: !rated mircea_popescu

16:24:27 assbot: You have not rated mircea_popescu.

16:24:42 williamdunne: !rate mircea_popescu 4 king of #b-a

16:24:42 assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/344742dfc17ba0cb

16:25:08 williamdunne: !v assbot:williamdunne.rate.mircea_popescu.4:83795e4b29646ceb06cae8dfb61b1e27ca46f8bb523b95915038bf43f75a014c

16:25:09 assbot: Successfully added a rating of 4 for mircea_popescu with note: king of #b-a

16:25:53 mircea_popescu: i'm not even the washington of b-a, not having yet lead anyone through any valleyforge. let alone king.

16:27:01 pete_dushenski: more like the andrew jackson ?

16:27:06 pete_dushenski: or jfk ?

16:27:14 williamdunne: Not dead yet

16:27:20 mircea_popescu: hm

16:27:29 mircea_popescu: in the immortal words of slappy the squirrel,

16:27:36 mircea_popescu: "you remind me of a very young don quixote"

16:28:07 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: i'd give you more of a don juan.

16:28:35 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski i used to think so myself, but then i read on fetlife i'm really spurned by teh ladies, and so...

16:28:41 mircea_popescu: maybe once i retire.

16:29:00 pete_dushenski: retire ? fool you once...

16:29:15 hanbot: mircea_popescu perhaps williamdunne meant the kind of king that's painted on velvet and prefers peanut butter banana sammiches.

16:29:42 mircea_popescu: wait, what is this ?!

16:30:19 williamdunne: On that note, FetLife still haven't responded to my gracious offer to fix their shit for 10 btc

16:31:30 pete_dushenski: should've asked for 100

16:31:41 pete_dushenski: it'd seem more serious

16:32:04 williamdunne: 10 btc is serious, I'm a poor man

16:32:20 mircea_popescu: dude, they don';t have money.

16:32:25 hanbot: mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ox1Tore9nw

16:32:26 assbot: elvis presley - in the ghetto - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1dkXteU )

16:32:38 pete_dushenski: like the dentist who's busy when priced competitively, wants to be less busy, jacks up his prices to the highest in town, and then has his doors beaten down with customers like never before.

16:32:39 mircea_popescu: hahahaha jailhouse rock eh ?

16:33:19 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski happens more to gynecologists/cosmetic surgeons than dentists but yeah

16:33:22 pete_dushenski: williamdunne: i'm not saying 10 btc isn't serious, but isn't premium enough. they are poor though.

16:33:52 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: no doubt. i just happen to know a dentist for whom this happened, so it was salient.

16:34:27 pete_dushenski: i don't personally know any gynes or boob docs.

16:34:28 mircea_popescu: hanbot geez he's so out of it...

16:34:29 mircea_popescu: poor guy.

16:34:34 mircea_popescu: there's nothing as bad as success.

16:34:46 BingoBoingo: Where's scoopy?

16:34:56 pete_dushenski: i was wondering the same !

16:35:12 mircea_popescu: dude this is the god damned curse of the rss

16:35:14 williamdunne: Wait is scoopy down? One sec

16:35:17 BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2015/04/prosecution-shenanigans-continue-as-ulbricht-sentencing-approaches/

16:35:18 assbot: Prosecution Shenanigans Continue as Ulbricht Sentencing Approaches | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1dkY7sR )

16:36:04 scoopbot_revived: News! Prosecution Shenanigans Continue as Ulbricht Sentencing Approaches URL: http://qntra.net/2015/04/prosecution-shenanigans-continue-as-ulbricht-sentencing-approaches/

16:36:04 assbot: Prosecution Shenanigans Continue as Ulbricht Sentencing Approaches | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1dkYgwl )

16:36:06 williamdunne: I really need to stick him on a server ASAP

16:36:07 mircea_popescu: hanbot https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gj0Rz-uP4Mk << better elvis

16:36:08 assbot: Elvis Presley - Jailhouse Rock (Music Video) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1dkYmnx )

16:36:15 mircea_popescu: williamdunne where's it now ?

16:36:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33300 @ 0.000297 = 9.8901 BTC [+]

16:36:58 williamdunne: mircea_popescu: My desktop

16:37:36 mircea_popescu: nowai ?!

16:37:43 williamdunne: yeswai?1

16:37:47 mircea_popescu: nuts.

16:38:25 hanbot: mircea_popescu: doesn't even sound like him. i'd say the doldrums did wonders for his voice.

16:39:23 mircea_popescu: " At the sentencing hearing the prosecution plans to present new evidence,"

16:39:27 mircea_popescu: dude who the fuck heard of this!

16:39:43 pete_dushenski: whoa. that IS nuts.

16:40:14 BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field

16:40:55 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: And you thought they were a rogue state before...

16:41:03 mircea_popescu: nice piece i must say

16:41:10 mircea_popescu: your journalism is maturing.

16:41:29 mircea_popescu: "The parents of two of the allegedly six persons who supposedly died from overdosing on Silk Road drugs are Bharara's list to testify at Ulbricht's sentencing."

16:41:33 mircea_popescu: dude no fucking way roflmao omfg.

16:41:54 mircea_popescu: this sounds like they think they lost ?

16:43:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32800 @ 0.00029665 = 9.7301 BTC [-]

16:43:52 mircea_popescu: im definitely paying for a coupla people to cry at preet's own sentencing.

16:44:09 mircea_popescu: esp if it's the "with beheading" version.

16:44:38 ascii_field: hedzoff.com

16:45:18 *: Adlai parsed that as "Ulbricht Sentencing Approaches URL"

16:45:19 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The unprintable stuff in other media is Dratel's gut reaction is a "harm reduction" defense, and not STFU if this wasn't good enough for trial, roll it in sand and shove it up your ass.

16:46:13 BingoBoingo: I just can't take Dratel seriously as part of "Team Ulbricht" anymore

16:46:39 mircea_popescu: goes to show that any man who hires a clerk of the court to defend him from the us govt is having a fool for a client

16:46:42 mircea_popescu: or how did that ditty go.

16:47:16 williamdunne: "The parents of two of the allegedly six persons who supposedly died from overdosing on Silk Road drugs are Bharara's list to testify at Ulbricht's sentencing." <<< fo'real? Appealing to the juries feels

16:47:22 Adlai: williamdunne: scalpl (my thingy) spent a year on a thinkpad x30 without a harddisk, i think you're doing just fine

16:48:00 BingoBoingo: williamdunne: Actually SOP, except for the part where this allegedly harm wasn't presented at all during trial

16:48:45 williamdunne: Not to mention they would have been doing drugs anyway

16:50:42 pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2015/04/27/avenue-q/

16:50:43 assbot: Avenue Q | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1EejgO3 )

16:51:13 pete_dushenski: ^last review for the citadel theatre this season.

16:55:39 pete_dushenski: "Current versions of WordPress are vulnerable to a stored XSS. An unauthenticated attacker can inject JavaScript in WordPress comments. The script is triggered when the comment is viewed. "

16:55:53 pete_dushenski: "To prevent exploitation, administrators should disable comments (Dashboard, Settings/Discussion, select as restrictive options as possible). Do not approve any comments. "

16:56:15 mircea_popescu: derp

16:56:34 pete_dushenski: this is what passes for "news" it seems.

16:57:21 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2012/the-storm-that-was-fel/#comment-90298 << published on tirlema, 2012.

16:57:21 assbot: The Storm That Was Fel on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1dl27JH )

16:57:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 140590 @ 0.00029718 = 41.7805 BTC [+] {2}

16:59:20 pete_dushenski: aha.

16:59:47 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-04-2015#1112957 << exploits for what

16:59:47 assbot: Logged on 27-04-2015 15:41:27; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hey, you want a dump of all these derpy exploits i keep getting emailed ?

16:59:59 mircea_popescu: windows, mostly.

17:00:06 kakobrekla: * Adlai parsed that as "Ulbricht Sentencing Approaches URL < the redundant ministry of redundancy put that there

17:00:17 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: actual exploits, or idiot trojans ?

17:00:29 ascii_field: because there is no shortage of the latter

17:00:35 mircea_popescu: idiot trojans.

17:00:43 *: ascii_field suspects he gets the same ones

17:00:44 mircea_popescu: cab/zip/pdf/xls take your pick

17:00:51 mircea_popescu: kinda what i was curious about

17:00:55 ascii_field: send'em over

17:01:59 mircea_popescu: includes gems like

17:01:59 mircea_popescu: AMAZON.CO.UK Mar 5, 2014 + 468 KiB order #559-69409{_DIGIT[5]

17:02:38 ascii_field: l0l i get just about all of the items mircea_popescu quotes

17:02:38 Adlai: kakobrekla: srsly, how about just: <name> <url> <title...>

17:02:44 Adlai: or rather i should bitch at williamdunne

17:03:56 williamdunne: <title> <url> is possible

17:04:16 mircea_popescu: williamdunne just drop the "URL"

17:04:19 mircea_popescu: it's obvious it's an url.

17:04:42 *: Adlai wants (poster locator &rest title-words) !

17:06:44 Adlai: BingoBoingo: any estimates on the range of possibilities are for the sentencing?

17:06:49 williamdunne: Will be taken into consideration with re-imp

17:07:13 BingoBoingo: Adlai: Pretty much 20 years to life

17:07:30 jurov: !gettrust rmunroe

17:07:30 assbot: Trust relationship from user jurov to user rmunroe: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=jurov&to=rmunroe | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/rmunroe/

17:07:31 *: Adlai doesn't see why it's relevant to have additional testimonies, on either side, once the jury has convicted... shouldn't the judge sentence based on the same evidence used by the jury?

17:07:40 jurov: !gettrust assbot rmunroe

17:07:41 assbot: Trust relationship from user assbot to user rmunroe: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=assbot&to=rmunroe | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/rmunroe/

17:07:48 williamdunne: Adlai: Till death do we part

17:08:55 Adlai: it's almost ironic how the continued persecution just cements ross's martyrdom

17:09:02 Adlai: have they forgotten how to dump bodies in the ocean?

17:09:25 williamdunne: Kangaroo Courts are more entertaining

17:09:43 kakobrekla: Adlai talk to williamdunne bout that

17:13:20 pete_dushenski: not forgotten, can't afford it.

17:13:31 pete_dushenski: Adlai: ^

17:13:49 BingoBoingo: Adlai: Generally a jury sentences in USia if a jury tried

17:14:29 pete_dushenski: Adlai: like christina in argentina can only afford to have one crown prosecutor die.

17:14:40 pete_dushenski: even though 3 more replaced him and now she's pooched.

17:14:47 Adlai: jury sentencing is... decentralized! yay

17:14:52 mircea_popescu: ascii_field ok that should be enough

17:15:38 mircea_popescu: " This message has been rejected because it has a potentially executable attachment "You received a new message from Skype voicemail service.eml""

17:15:42 mircea_popescu: lol not even mail would take it

17:15:56 *: Adlai never understood the forward vs attach dichotomy

17:16:20 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

17:16:44 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: as far as i can see it's spamolade

17:16:48 ascii_field: rather than targeted-anything

17:17:42 ben_vulpes: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-April/000085.html << didn't we cut a version of auto.sh that used foundation-hosted tarballs of all of the above?

17:17:43 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1dl6a95 )

17:17:49 mircea_popescu: well who the fuck targets with this windows crap.

17:17:52 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-04-2015#1112972 << i always thought that chemical 'layers must not touch' colour change thing would be just right for condom

17:17:52 assbot: Logged on 27-04-2015 16:10:32; Adlai: my rentmate dumped a chick for merely jesting about poking holes in his condoms

17:18:00 ben_vulpes: and pete_dushenski i'm pretty sure that custom is an acceptable use in that context

17:18:04 *: ben_vulpes back to salt mines

17:18:30 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: who the fuck targets with this windows crap << plenty of folks

17:18:31 pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: that's cool. it's your article.

17:19:06 Adlai: ascii_field: no, that's just for detecting roofies; sperm belong to the succubus from first arousal

17:20:11 ascii_field: Adlai: no, what i meant was, it is not especially difficult to make layers that change colour (or give off heat, smoke, etc) if they come into contact through a broken intermediate shield

17:21:13 ascii_field: naturally for the envelope, not condom per se

17:21:17 BingoBoingo: https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2015/04/27/professor-fails-his-entire-class-and-his-university-intervenes

17:21:22 assbot: A professor fails his entire class and his university intervenes | InsideHigherEd ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gyuvl9 )

17:21:22 *: Adlai is aware, was just dribbling idiocy. technology has existed to solve many problems, which isn't yet in use...

17:21:27 mircea_popescu: i think what *he* meant was that he lives under oppression.

17:22:53 Adlai: if you do it for the condom, it detects accident as well as sabotage

17:25:34 mircea_popescu: i know i don't.

17:25:48 Pierre_Rochard: http://fortune.com/2015/04/27/bitcoin-circle-cash/

17:25:49 assbot: Exclusive: Bitcoin company Circle raising new cash - Fortune ... ( http://bit.ly/1dl7F6V )

17:25:49 mircea_popescu: so far, i broke dozens of condoms. had none sabotaged.

17:26:00 Pierre_Rochard: “in the midst of raising around $40 million at a pre-money valuation of approximately $200 million"

17:26:02 ascii_field: mircea_popescu is very clearly not even theoretically the target audience, though.

17:26:35 Pierre_Rochard: looks like a leak and nothing has been signed…

17:26:51 mircea_popescu: Pierre_Rochard so lulzy. then garza tries and fails to raise 50k via his muchly-crimped cantor fitzgerald contact.

17:26:53 Pierre_Rochard: (speaking of broken condoms !)

17:27:22 mircea_popescu: can't get 50k in real money, all the while derps get "40mn" in pseudo money.

17:27:23 ascii_field: and speaking of sabotage,

17:27:24 ascii_field: http://cryptome.org/2015/04/goodcrypto-attacked.htm

17:27:26 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1dl7UPt )

17:27:27 Pierre_Rochard: … fitting that GAW would end up as a footnote to 9/11

17:28:36 Adlai: "Open source software . Preinstalled . Configured . Bootable ISO . Your hardware . Your sysadmin . Professional support . Automatic security updates"

17:28:53 mircea_popescu: ascii_field ahh excellent.

17:29:02 ascii_field: mega-lulz

17:29:21 Adlai: to their credit, "Do not use GoodCrypto for mail encryption if: You are already encrypting mail. Even if GoodCrypto is easier, we don't want a monoculture."

17:30:41 kakobrekla: !v assbot:assbot.unrate.justusranvier:5a9e79640e6e21dae6facd8c3e466e3175679dd430ff9067805e5f20d9946cbf

17:30:41 assbot: Invalid verfication string.

17:30:52 kakobrekla: hm

17:30:57 kakobrekla: what did i miss

17:31:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63000 @ 0.000301 = 18.963 BTC [+] {2}

17:31:30 kakobrekla: ah ok

17:31:38 Adlai: expiration?

17:32:07 kakobrekla: !up assbott

17:32:20 ascii_field: and where is the 'https is a crock of shit' gotterdammerung ?

17:32:32 BingoBoingo: !up JuliaTourianski_

17:32:50 assbott: !v assbot:assbot.unrate.fabianb:b21e6a56eb26dafd89cc5ba2b24a9464a5dfc4b945602717b7935b87baf56d19

17:32:50 assbot: assbott is not registered in WoT.

17:32:54 mircea_popescu: !up JuliaTourianski_

17:32:55 mircea_popescu: yo.

17:33:06 mircea_popescu: ascii_field in the logs.

17:33:10 assbott: ah imma have it done in private msg

17:33:26 ascii_field: l0l sure in the logs. but what of the lusers - none of them actually want to live ?

17:33:38 JuliaTourianski_: yo

17:33:41 mircea_popescu: what do they care.

17:33:50 mircea_popescu: you got in the wot yet JuliaTourianski_ ?

17:34:14 williamdunne: mircea_popescu: With the FetLife replacement project how important is the client side JS encryption? Would it for example be redundant if hosted on metal outside of the US, and operated by someone willing to say fuck you to a subpoena?

17:34:30 mircea_popescu: it's never redundant.

17:34:33 williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Working on scoping the whole thing out for you, but changes things a bit

17:34:46 williamdunne: Okay, would it be important to you in other words?

17:34:50 JuliaTourianski_: should be

17:35:09 mircea_popescu: williamdunne in other words without encryption it is not worth even mentioning.

17:35:35 williamdunne: Ok, it can still be done, just limits some usability things

17:35:55 williamdunne: What data is deemed to be suitable to keep outside of encryption?

17:36:22 mircea_popescu: the site structure.

17:36:23 JuliaTourianski_: "doesn't hurt to touch base with the guy who owns an exchange worth 300k and who was asking about you.. " daniel p. barron

17:36:43 *: ascii_field still doesn't grasp why folks seem intent on building another 'lavabit'

17:36:54 mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski_ he has a way about him. anyway, do me a favour, read the clocks thing

17:37:03 mircea_popescu: i wanna hear how it sounds out of your mouth.

17:37:10 JuliaTourianski_: i already emaile du about it...kinda

17:37:20 mircea_popescu: ah. /me checks

17:37:43 JuliaTourianski_: who wrote it?

17:37:48 mircea_popescu: should remind you of auden lol.

17:37:56 *: ascii_field wonders if mircea_popescu is using 'clocks' thing to look for a nice voice to go on the #b-a shortwave propaganda station

17:38:44 mircea_popescu: ascii_field maybe i'm just trying to misguide the metansa!

17:39:28 jurov: https://github.com/jurov/wot/blob/master/update_gpg.py little help for anyone who wants to maintain WoT gpg keyring

17:39:29 assbot: wot/update_gpg.py at master · jurov/wot · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1dlajtD )

17:39:39 mircea_popescu: nice.

17:40:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34850 @ 0.00030119 = 10.4965 BTC [+]

17:40:28 kakobrekla: http://dpaste.com/0SNX1AA.txt

17:40:28 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1dlazsB )

17:40:32 kakobrekla: that covers it i think

17:40:52 mircea_popescu: ah splendid

17:41:00 mircea_popescu: danke kako.

17:41:02 ascii_field: RIP moiety

17:41:07 mircea_popescu: didja see the argentinian sweets shop ?

17:44:01 mats: that was suspicious... i think i crashed assbot

17:44:44 kakobrekla: i restarted it to kick it out of schizophrenic mode

17:44:59 BingoBoingo: jurov: ty http://stellarosawines.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/712866742how-to-make-cup-o-joe-chocolate-cookies_page.jpg

17:45:01 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1dlbsRY )

17:45:46 ascii_field: 'When we tried wget, it detected errors, retried, and finally succeeded. It said the error was a bad length field in a TLS packet. That didn't make sense at first because we thought TLS packets were error corrected by TCP.' << incidentally, i am not certain that i agree with the author's conclusion ('reverse heartbleed'.) it may very well be an attempt to exploit other braindamage in http stack

17:46:27 mircea_popescu: ascii_field yeah it's not clear from the notes that they actually identified the mechanism

17:46:46 mircea_popescu: "The attack appears to be from someone sitting on the net pipes and injecting packets. This requires huge resources. The U.S., U.K., Canadian, and Chinese spooks do this. Ordinary criminals don't have the ability."

17:46:52 ascii_field: and based on the choice of target, usg -wants- idiots to use 'goodcrypto' on account of it being derp

17:47:00 ascii_field: but needed to write this love letter in very oblique way

17:47:10 mircea_popescu: !up ascii_field

17:47:30 ascii_field: note that it wasn't being done to gpg

17:47:34 mircea_popescu: weakest link in the whole thing. a) "criminals" ie, non-criminals do have the ability, it's really not that hard and b) how did he figure that

17:48:06 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: allusion to the 'quantum insert' thing where they mitm million+ connections at backbone level

17:48:16 mircea_popescu: "Because the goodcrypto.com servers are in Europe, China is an unlikely suspect." because...

17:48:53 ascii_field: chinese mo is, traditionally, shenanigans at own border

17:49:10 ascii_field: because they are mainly concerned with simple internal cattle management

17:49:32 ascii_field: rather than usg-style boiling of the oceans

17:50:01 mircea_popescu: judging by the 1mn aid kerry announced for nepal, i'd say us is just as internal cattle management-y.

17:50:32 ascii_field: u.s. takes 'internal' to mean whole of planet3

17:51:03 mircea_popescu: allegedly. i have some trouble following these texts that rely so heavily on knowledge of other machine's internal states.

17:51:17 mircea_popescu: id' have liked that report a lot more if it focused on a complete description of the mechanism of action

17:51:29 mircea_popescu: in lieu of idle speculation of the geopolitical considerations.

17:51:54 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: for all i know, the entire purpose of that report was to make the offender go underwater and prevent proper forensic work

17:52:13 mircea_popescu: i guess.

17:52:14 ascii_field: sorta like the actual meatspace effect of much of the snowden thing

17:52:42 ascii_field: (e.g., where the fuck is my 'FLUXBABBITT' ? bounty, and no one took. how many zeroes would have to be added ?)

17:53:06 ascii_field: at the time of that post, it was several $k us

17:53:31 ascii_field: ( http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1422 )

17:53:32 assbot: Loper OS » Wanted: FLUXBABBITT. ... ( http://bit.ly/1dldf9r )

17:54:35 williamdunne: mircea_popescu: With the site's meet + greet space, what should be publicly viewable. Should users be able to set public/private names individually (private of course encrypted)?

17:58:07 ascii_field: [4] https://goodcrypto.com/redirect-offsite/https://eternally[SNIPPED]/wget.exe << l0l re: idiots serving up winblows exe to chumperz

17:59:02 mircea_popescu: !gettrust bigbitz

17:59:04 assbot: Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user bigbitz: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 17 via 16 connections. | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=mircea_popescu&to=bigbitz | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/bigbitz/

18:07:59 mircea_popescu: ascii_field for the record, that fluxbabbitt thing is such bs... srsly, interdiction costs $500 now ?

18:08:29 mircea_popescu: williamdunne user's names should publicly be the key.

18:08:37 mircea_popescu: privately, whatever alias.

18:10:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39802 @ 0.00029647 = 11.8001 BTC [-] {2}

18:16:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48850 @ 0.00029645 = 14.4816 BTC [-]

18:25:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37000 @ 0.00029629 = 10.9627 BTC [-] {2}

18:31:31 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

18:31:39 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: how the hell would i know what it costs

18:32:40 ascii_field: for all we know, the jtag daughterboards never existed en masse because boobytraps baked into silicon at factory more than suffice

18:49:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8307 @ 0.00030119 = 2.502 BTC [+]

18:50:55 jurov: http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20150420-why-do-women-have-periods

18:50:56 assbot: BBC - Earth - Why do women have periods when most animals don't? ... ( http://bit.ly/1HLa4mL )

18:50:58 jurov: "It prevents her from investing in a bad embryo, lets her get rid of it right away, and primes her body for another successful pregnancy."

18:51:02 jurov: perl, indeed

19:02:49 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

19:12:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 594 @ 0.0017268 = 1.0257 BTC [-] {2}

19:13:08 jurov: !shasum wot

19:13:09 assbot: sha256sum wot_users.sql.gz : 7dafb72baef08b6a23eaf3c16693180d851d1f433113236af63d72e007a72f1a

19:13:10 assbot: sha256sum wot_ratings.sql.gz : 466874a6f4704d2e62a683e5f81bb1c3023ea9884ec76962b67e35fae8df4b32

19:13:11 assbot: sha256sum trustlist.txt : 3511d840ab9535e213e051f1f02a873e4531b6a26719080dd96134abe14af438

19:14:52 jurov: so to be sure trustlist.txt is okay i need to come to irc and intercourse with assbot?

19:15:39 fluffypony: lol

19:15:47 fluffypony: "intercourse with assbot" is my new favourite phrase

19:25:36 williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Would this cover all of the main features? https://mega.co.nz/#!ItBmiT5A!le5xA-v_oBLQfQXG4Jipe5FDUoD_dpcrFM4ALsUX8wg

19:25:37 assbot: MEGA ... ( http://bit.ly/1DQpOPI )

19:26:28 ascii_field: warez hoster for a ~1kb zip, wtf

19:27:44 williamdunne: I have an existing account there, and easy to drag and drop it over. What is a better option?

19:27:59 ascii_field: dpaste ?

19:28:15 williamdunne: Hmm yeah that could work. Is HTML

19:31:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38645 @ 0.00030157 = 11.6542 BTC [+] {3}

19:32:57 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

20:04:21 danielpbarron: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9HimLksMkA

20:04:22 assbot: Shamir vs. Diffie on Bitcoin - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gqd5EO )

20:14:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34030 @ 0.00030557 = 10.3985 BTC [+] {2}

20:47:59 mircea_popescu: williamdunne can it be a paste ? blog article ? something ?

20:48:06 mircea_popescu: comment on fraudsters even

20:48:31 mircea_popescu: ascii_field because it said on the friggin paper

20:49:07 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

20:49:12 danielpbarron: mircea_popescu, may I have an eulora account?

20:49:13 mircea_popescu: jurov how do most animals not have periods ?!

20:49:46 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron defo.

20:49:51 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: the 500 for 'hardware and installation' includes only what the monkey does in the interdiction checkpoint

20:50:07 mircea_popescu: ascii_field you ever seen a usg contractor bill ?

20:50:09 mircea_popescu: $500 ? srsly ?

20:50:16 ascii_field: rather than the cost of interdiction, which is in fact externalized to cisco et al

20:50:19 mircea_popescu: what is this, fluxblabber by radioshack ?

20:51:15 mircea_popescu: $500 buys the us a pogo.

20:51:46 ascii_field: presumably the 'unit cost' is what the components actually cost. rather than the usual amortized nre, etc. which honest people include in such a figure.

20:52:17 mircea_popescu: makes no sense it'd figure there.

20:53:01 mircea_popescu: lmao amir doesn't get it.

20:53:25 mircea_popescu: false dichotomy. la serenissima IS the establishment. that some faux estab lishments characterize it as "rebels"...

20:53:31 mircea_popescu: big whoop.

20:54:10 mircea_popescu: shamir*

20:54:29 ascii_field: one can only suppose that he has not taken the lsd yet.

20:55:01 mircea_popescu: prolly interacted with a bunch of "representatives", got the natural conclusion "kids be idiots".

20:55:06 mircea_popescu: and speaking of eulora, http://oi62.tinypic.com/k06paw.jpg

20:55:11 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1HLv2BM )

20:55:51 ascii_field: ^ neato

20:56:17 williamdunne: mircea_popescu: http://justpaste.it/ksxk

20:56:18 assbot: Generate RSA keys in browser. Store public and private ke... - justpaste.it ... ( http://bit.ly/1HLv90n )

20:57:43 mike_c: can we never use tinypic again?

20:57:44 mircea_popescu: uh that's a pretty bad spec neh ? what's M+Gs ?

20:57:51 mircea_popescu: mike_c ok. why ?

20:58:02 williamdunne: Meet and Greets

20:58:02 mircea_popescu: btw mike_c, save a copy of the big svg pre update tonight ?

20:58:11 williamdunne: Yeah just wanted to get a basic idea of functionality, nothing too fancy

20:58:23 mike_c: it is covered with floating ads and pops up tabs with warez.

20:58:46 mircea_popescu: well that's mostly in teh fraudsters post. i was looking for more of a "use X thing from Y to do encoding. add Z from K to do M." etc.

20:59:04 mircea_popescu: mike_c the direct link ?!

20:59:14 mike_c: direct link redirects you

20:59:28 mircea_popescu: o.O

20:59:34 mircea_popescu: it didn't redirect me. wtf ?

20:59:43 mike_c: you must have better JS filtering

21:00:04 mircea_popescu: but it's just a jpg.

21:00:08 mike_c: and sure, I'll save a copy of the graph. Trivial for anyone to do with right-click, save-as

21:00:12 mike_c: it's not a jpg really

21:00:16 mike_c: it's whatever the server says to do

21:00:45 mike_c: like: location *.png { rewrite }

21:00:51 mircea_popescu: $ curl -I http://oi62.tinypic.com/k06paw.jpg

21:00:56 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1HLvGzq )

21:00:56 mircea_popescu: Content-Type: image/png

21:00:56 mircea_popescu: Content-Length: 1252013

21:01:27 trinque: can confirm that a) it redirected me too the first time and b) didn't now

21:01:35 mircea_popescu: o.O

21:01:46 mircea_popescu: this is some suspicious shit

21:02:03 jurov: mircea_popescu: apparently the heat other animals have is distinct from full period with menstruation

21:02:31 mircea_popescu: jurov well ok, that's true. but i mean you know, the feet of ungulates are distinct from the feet of palmipedes or w/e

21:02:56 jurov: they don't have so aggressive emryos, don't need to reinforce and then shed uterus wall

21:03:03 jurov: that's all it was about

21:03:47 mircea_popescu: well it's called "covert menstruation", it still bleeds byt they carry their tampax inside.

21:04:11 williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Wanted to make sure that we're on the same page before doing that. Happy to do a scope like that but first I've done in that level of detail

21:04:16 williamdunne: Only done for non-technicals before

21:04:41 mircea_popescu: williamdunne b-a style development is a very loose process.

21:04:56 williamdunne: Suits me

21:06:25 mike_c: chetty: cool pic! kinda sad to see boxy go :)

21:07:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18350 @ 0.00029528 = 5.4184 BTC [-]

21:08:09 mircea_popescu: yeah huh.

21:24:27 cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-04-2015#1112707 <<< worse than that, american kids don't even know their basic vegetables https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGYs4KS_djg

21:24:27 assbot: Logged on 27-04-2015 13:59:38; nubbins`: ever watch "hell's kitchen"? it's not uncommon for "contestants" to be unable to distinguish pork from chicken by taste alone

21:24:29 assbot: Potato or Tomato? - Jamie Oliver's Food Revolution | Promo Clip | On Air With Ryan Seacrest - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gz827B )

21:27:19 mircea_popescu: cazalla the funniest part is, they think they hate various vegetables they've never had.

21:27:25 mircea_popescu: yeah, i'd hate frozen shit too.

21:27:55 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

21:28:51 ascii_field: and then they visit b-a and they can have opposite problem, described in asimov's 'secret sense' :

21:28:53 ascii_field: https://archive.org/stream/TheSecretSense/TheSecretSenseByIsaacAsimov1941#page/n1/mode/2up

21:28:54 assbot: The Secret Sense ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gz8Qt9 )

21:29:42 mircea_popescu: ascii_field i had some crema de almendras and thought of you

21:29:56 ascii_field: now eat some burned tyre and think of me, l0l

21:30:03 mircea_popescu: noty

21:30:23 mircea_popescu: i also had cherisse with maraschino cherries, but thought of ben.

21:30:51 *: ascii_field is having some difficulty re-habituating to earthling food

21:33:02 cazalla: <mircea_popescu> yeah, i'd hate frozen shit too. <<< ya, friend of the missus has knocked back freebies from my garden a few times on the basis she "doesn

21:33:14 cazalla: doesn't like that".. same woman who thought pumpkins grew under the ground lol

21:51:03 BingoBoingo: <cazalla> doesn't like that".. same woman who thought pumpkins grew under the ground lol << pumpkin seeds are the best vandalism

22:00:14 mircea_popescu: vandalism ?

22:01:29 williamdunne: Guessing throw them on some land and watch a bunch of pumpkins turn up

22:01:35 mircea_popescu: !h

22:01:35 assbot: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot

22:02:39 jurov: imo in certain countries more fun can be had with poppy seed :D

22:02:44 mircea_popescu: lol

22:02:50 trinque: or weed seeds

22:03:01 mircea_popescu: or kudzu. or bamboo.

22:03:31 mircea_popescu: or, if you work at an undertaker, cut off toes from the dead people and plant them in live people's yards.

22:04:01 jurov: once we had to explain to a spaniard intern what a poppy seed is, it's popular as cake filling around

22:04:30 jurov: "yes, opium is made from that"

22:05:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24300 @ 0.00029528 = 7.1753 BTC [-]

22:07:12 mircea_popescu: in unrelated news, http://fullholes-emptyhead.tumblr.com/post/93776791908/myfavoriteutterdepravity-hereforyoutouse-so

22:07:12 assbot: Full Holes, Empty Head — myfavoriteutterdepravity: hereforyoutouse: So... ... ( http://bit.ly/1HLCYmD )

22:09:56 mircea_popescu: !rate copumpkin 1 Old hand. Long time, no see.

22:09:57 assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/1a395f35950b41bc

22:10:23 BingoBoingo: So Baltimore's Ferguson moment seems more organized than Missouri's https://twitter.com/AFP/status/592792834824077312

22:10:24 assbot: /hashtag/UPDATE?src=hash Baltimore riot: seven officers hurt, one 'unresponsive' http://t.co/SXP9nETQ2X

22:11:43 mircea_popescu: !rate nanotube 3 Old hand. Runs gribble, escrowed the Vandroyi-pirate bet.

22:11:43 assbot: Rating should be any non zero value between 10 and -10.

22:11:50 mircea_popescu: !rate nanotube 3 Old hand. Runs gribble, escrowed the Vandroyi-pirate bet.

22:11:50 assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/4819545284076f69

22:13:14 mircea_popescu: !rate trancegeek 1 Old hand. Long time, no see.

22:13:14 assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/931ef0ff66681c0c

22:13:49 mircea_popescu: !rate imsaguy 1 Old hand. Long time, no see.

22:13:49 assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/5b5648c14e639389

22:14:27 mircea_popescu: !rate smickles 1 Old hand. Long time, no see.

22:14:27 assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/c00f7ce1bc08c8d9

22:16:31 mircea_popescu: mike_c hm, the timestamp gets sorted weirdly (alphabetical, so aug 2014 is after april 2013 etc)

22:16:58 mircea_popescu: !rate reeses 1 Old hand. Long time, no see.

22:16:58 assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/602d7158e9903f25

22:17:54 mircea_popescu: !rate cory 1 Old hand. Long time, no see.

22:17:54 assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/ab45600b41c5ec9c

22:18:31 mircea_popescu: !rate lyspooner 1 Old hand. Long time, no see.

22:18:31 assbot: is not registered in WoT.

22:18:35 mircea_popescu: !rate lyspooner 1 Old hand. Long time, no see.

22:18:35 assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/973306263a225380

22:18:55 mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.lyspooner.1:568fdceca14520ded232a1f434a8a346a26e0cd052a0225d79216bd763b1618a

22:18:55 assbot: Successfully updated the rating for lyspooner from 3 to 1 with note: Old hand. Long time, no see.

22:19:09 mircea_popescu: !rate onefixt 1 Old hand. Long time, no see.

22:19:09 assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/acc1c4c889e9cc36

22:19:48 mircea_popescu: !rate bugpowder 1 Old hand. Long time, no see.

22:19:48 assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/ab4022e02c990f32

22:20:28 mircea_popescu: !rate namworld 1 Old hand. Long time, no see.

22:20:28 assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/8552dda27b3b1445

22:21:54 mircea_popescu: god damned my list is loing.

22:22:05 mircea_popescu: !rate ocminer 1 Old hand. Long time, no see.

22:22:05 assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/bb6015b326e9fee5

22:22:30 mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.ocminer.1:46ca7769b539b61d5fca0a8f76139cad90d4d5c4c9d2e2667e7a99c322628786

22:22:30 assbot: Successfully updated the rating for ocminer from 3 to 1 with note: Old hand. Long time, no see.

22:22:52 mircea_popescu: !rate sgornick 1 Old hand. Long time, no see.

22:22:52 assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/651654254e2074ca

22:23:34 mircea_popescu: !rate random_cat 1 Old hand. Long time, no see.

22:23:34 assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/2f59c65ecfe2682c

22:30:22 mircea_popescu: !unrate khersonus

22:30:22 assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/054a240f9621f781

22:30:36 Cory: mircea_popescu: Do you still use nanotube's too?

22:30:42 mircea_popescu: notrly.

22:31:10 mircea_popescu: on occasion, if people who don;t know about assbot insist .

22:31:42 mircea_popescu: how've you been ?

22:33:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9450 @ 0.00030019 = 2.8368 BTC [+]

22:34:30 mircea_popescu: !unrate pars3val

22:34:30 assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/68f248a2a457cbbb

22:35:08 mircea_popescu: !unrate parseval

22:35:08 assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/d431fc66707c0e8b

22:37:00 mircea_popescu: !unrate xmj

22:37:00 assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/77c3575e45ed6c1d

22:38:39 mircea_popescu: !unrate genericpersona

22:38:39 assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/f4b4bf34956c48a4

22:40:22 BigBitz: why all the unrating, mircea_popescu?

22:40:42 mircea_popescu: well, gotta keep the wot tidy

22:41:39 mircea_popescu: it's a living thing!

22:43:19 mircea_popescu: !up BitcoinGuy

22:43:23 mircea_popescu: Police meanwhile announced they had received a "credible threat" that several known criminal gangs in Baltimore had "entered into a partnership to 'take out' law enforcement officers." << check it out

22:43:29 mircea_popescu: inception or w/e it's called.

22:45:13 trinque: I was wondering how long that'd take.

22:46:20 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo whoa check it out, the meriwether fight purse is 400mn ?!

22:47:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37679 @ 0.00029528 = 11.1259 BTC [-]

22:47:01 mircea_popescu: Dan Fredinburg apparently died in nepal.

22:49:59 trinque: https://livestream.com/spacex/events/3995038 << launch feed

22:50:00 assbot: SpaceX Thales Mission on Livestream ... ( http://bit.ly/1GBKguF )

22:50:14 trinque: or rather, watch-spacex-scrub-launches feed

22:58:26 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Seriously the purse is bigger than CoinBase's bezzelbucks

22:58:32 mircea_popescu: nuts.

22:58:55 *: asciilifeform playing with 'cpanel' for the first time, struggles to understand wtf is the point of it

22:59:14 williamdunne: asciilifeform: Makes things easier for those terrified of a terminal

22:59:36 trinque: scared of driving? here have a blindfold

23:00:03 *: asciilifeform wonders if it can be uninstalled

23:00:25 mircea_popescu: dude stop fixing things that work. you wanna do something, make gentoo work as smoothly as cpanel.

23:00:52 asciilifeform: aside from the guilicious dripping braindamage candy of it, i just logged into a www-based (https with self-signed cert) thing that has full control over $box

23:01:06 asciilifeform: any idiot could have owned it then.

23:01:23 asciilifeform: (idiot sitting between me and the antipode of planet where thing lives)

23:01:55 mircea_popescu: myeah. that's nothing : at some point servers were owned through an actual cpanel update.

23:02:04 asciilifeform: l0l

23:02:25 mircea_popescu: but hey. until you make a working gentoo...

23:02:31 asciilifeform: goddammnit my gentoo works

23:02:48 mircea_popescu: that's the problem. yours does.

23:04:41 asciilifeform: 'until you make a working boeing' 'my boeing flies' 'the problem - yours does'

23:05:39 mircea_popescu: ayup.

23:05:55 mircea_popescu: every 15yo can run a cpanel site.

23:05:58 asciilifeform: an 'automated' gentoo is of the same kind of misguided animal as graphical pgp

23:06:34 williamdunne: 15 year old using terminal master-race

23:06:35 jurov: iirc i broke cpanel as quickly as you did gentoo

23:07:20 mircea_popescu: i'd settle for a well documented and judiciously defaulted gentoo.

23:07:23 trinque: asciilifeform: naw, if I was setting up 200 of these things, I'd want a process other than manual lever pulling

23:07:33 trinque: you can do an image, but say the build's different between them

23:07:34 mircea_popescu: trinque his box works!

23:07:39 trinque: my mistake

23:07:44 trinque: needs a genbootstrap

23:07:49 asciilifeform: trinque: 200 of them - bitwise image, identical disks

23:07:56 asciilifeform: change variables later.

23:08:13 mircea_popescu: stop being male.

23:08:16 asciilifeform: they sell cradles where you can mount N disks at once and image. since '90 or so

23:08:29 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: my dulap broke

23:08:38 mircea_popescu: prolly cuz it had no cpanel.

23:09:06 jurov: ;;ud dulap

23:09:06 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=dulap | pronounced: "doo-lap" -noun 1. the soft area of skin between the chin and neck. " Man, I got her dulap so good today at lunch!" by JourneeLee March 14, 2007.

23:09:16 jurov: wat

23:10:03 mircea_popescu: jurov its a reference ot this romanian castration story.

23:12:34 mircea_popescu: so it kinda looks like assad may actually be going away.

23:16:29 jurov: http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/04/romania-president-admits-allowing-cia-site-150427140351035.html

23:16:31 assbot: Former Romania president admits allowing CIA site - Al Jazeera English ... ( http://bit.ly/1JM9eEV )

23:16:37 jurov: Iliescu wrote on this blog on Monday that "I would surely have taken another decision'' if he had known what the CIA was doing.

23:17:01 asciilifeform: famous u.s. gulag there since when, '04 ?

23:17:53 mircea_popescu: iirc closed down in 07ish

23:18:27 mircea_popescu: and im pretty sure he wouldn't have taken another decision. it was openly discussed at the time that the americans are scum, but the country wnated the eu membership.

23:19:04 asciilifeform: can't join eu without joining nato ?

23:19:15 mircea_popescu: it was already in nato (since 2004ish lol)

23:20:19 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The zoo in Baltimore affecting your weather at all?

23:20:31 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: not visibly to naked eye

23:20:46 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: in fact, was in bmore just last night, saw nothing extraordinary

23:21:36 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, funeral was today. Apparently there are day riots nao.

23:25:36 *: mircea_popescu is running top waiting for the big moment :D

23:25:48 mircea_popescu: how goes the cpanelling asciilifeform ? :D

23:27:20 mats: NO JUSSIS NO PEACE

23:29:34 mats: http://i.imgur.com/NUZ3cSi.jpg

23:29:35 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1dmktu2 )

23:32:07 mats: http://wbaltv.com/news/downtown-businesses-organizations-close-early-monday/32595778

23:32:08 assbot: Gov. declares state of emergency; activates National Guard | Maryland News - WBAL Home ... ( http://bit.ly/1dmkYUI )

23:34:38 mats: destroyed a CVS, a car, a 7-Eleven... hardly calls for the national guard

23:36:18 BingoBoingo: mats: Rumours of police casualties

23:38:08 BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/oliverdarcy/status/592823312889323523

23:38:10 assbot: Someone in Baltimore just cut fire hose with a knife so firefighters can’t put out CVS fire http://t.co/XD9fFehyLK

23:38:18 mats: lol

23:38:41 williamdunne: I wonder if it comically flailed about

23:42:09 BingoBoingo: williamdunne: There's a picture, It's like pissing the first couple hours of taking a blowgun dart to the dick

23:42:48 mats: news station on fire

23:44:40 BingoBoingo: Cool, Go Orioles!!!

23:46:56 Pierre_Rochard: baltimore police is going to get lynched http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loretta_Lynch

23:46:57 assbot: Loretta Lynch - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1dmnHNZ )

23:47:47 Pierre_Rochard: “investigated Citigroup over mortgage securities sold by the bank, resulting in a US$7 billion settlement; and was involved in the US$1.2 billion settlement with HSBC”

23:47:51 mats: "it's hard to figure out who are the instigators because they're all black"

23:48:03 Pierre_Rochard: lol

23:53:01 mircea_popescu: lmao

23:54:44 mircea_popescu: wait she just took over ? what happened to holder.

23:55:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20700 @ 0.00029975 = 6.2048 BTC [+]

23:56:04 mircea_popescu: 56-43 aha

23:56:10 Pierre_Rochard: holder was on his way to getting impeached so he resigned, “for personal reasons” of course

23:57:10 mircea_popescu: myeah