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06:43:00 punkman: "On May 26, 2016, the jury found that Android does not infringe Oracle-owned copyrights because its re-implementation of 37 Java APIs is protected by "fair use.""

07:52:34 pankkake: I'm genuinly surprised. should have been a bitbet!

08:03:42 pankkake: https://yro.slashdot.org/story/16/05/26/2019205/millennials-value-speed-over-security-says-survey https://it.slashdot.org/story/16/05/24/212239/elderly-use-more-secure-passwords-than-millennials-says-report

08:03:44 assbot: Millennials Value Speed Over Security, Says Survey - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/22r0XjW )

08:03:46 assbot: Elderly Use More Secure Passwords Than Millennials, Says Report - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/22r15jo )

08:43:03 pankkake: ;;ticker --market btcavg --currency eur

08:43:05 gribble: BitcoinAverage BTCEUR ticker | Best bid: 418.62, Best ask: 419.51, Bid-ask spread: 0.89000, Last trade: 418.71, 24 hour volume: 18006.25, 24 hour low: None, 24 hour high: None, 24 hour vwap: 408.75

09:42:19 Framedragger: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=23-05-2016#1447766 << asciilifeform: re. "mp used his contactz to procure a super s3cur3 server" (you said something of the kind but can't find in logz, need semantic search thing heh), now i *definitely* know it's bullshit.

09:42:19 assbot: Logged on 23-05-2016 19:26:26; asciilifeform: is kakobrekla prepared to supply me with, e.g., EQUALLY RELIABLE machine for phuctor ?

09:42:35 Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-27#1472618

09:42:35 assbot: tmsr ... ( http://bit.ly/1qNVxlg )

09:42:56 Framedragger: i know that hosting company, i've talked to them, i know the town because the town is the sorry ass country i'm from :)

09:43:08 Framedragger: it's alright, but make no mistake the country is a total US bitch.

09:43:21 Framedragger: that's all..

09:43:44 Framedragger: *is in the

09:47:40 Framedragger: i thought it was a bulletproof server in kazachstan or somesuch :)

09:48:04 fluffypony: BalticServers are reasonable if you're hosting warez or porn or whatever

09:48:10 fluffypony: because they ignore DMCA requests

09:48:17 fluffypony: but they absolutely don't ignore subpoenas and stuff

09:48:31 Framedragger: they ignore DMCA because they're not in the US, this is to be expected of any decent hosting company, mind

09:48:43 Framedragger: yah

09:48:49 fluffypony: Hetzner Germany will listen to DMCA requests, which is dumb of them

09:49:41 fluffypony: the whole "BalticServers is the most secure" thing is just nonsense from blackhatforum and the like

09:49:50 fluffypony: nobody with two brain cells actually believes it

09:50:01 Framedragger: mp's contacts are probably posts on those forums lol

09:50:38 fluffypony: lol

09:52:45 kakobrekla: Framedragger lmao! well the guy is a snake oil salesman what can i say

09:52:56 kakobrekla: and if you dont buy it, he will steal whatevers in your pocket

09:53:34 fluffypony: btw if anyone hasn't heard, BlueCoat got their SSL cert signed by Symantec

09:53:49 fluffypony: here's how to untrust it on OSX: https://blog.filippo.io/untrusting-an-intermediate-ca-on-os-x/ and on Windows: http://blogs.msmvps.com/alunj/2016/05/26/untrusting-the-blue-coat-intermediate-ca-from-windows/

09:53:49 assbot: Untrusting an intermediate CA on OS X ... ( http://bit.ly/1qNXEoV )

09:53:52 assbot: Untrusting the Blue Coat Intermediate CA from Windows | Tales from the Crypto ... ( http://bit.ly/1qNXL43 )

09:53:52 kakobrekla: bluecoat?

09:54:17 fluffypony: kakobrekla: they make firewall / traffic blocking products

09:54:26 fluffypony: lots of corporates use them to block access to Facebook, for eg.

09:54:34 kakobrekla: ah i had nfi

09:54:36 fluffypony: they basically MITM SSL traffic

09:54:47 kakobrekla: aha lol ok

09:54:54 fluffypony: in a corporate environment it's fine because corporates can manually deploy the BlueCoat SSL cert

09:55:11 fluffypony: but now that Symantec's signed it you could be on coffee shop wifi and a BlueCoat device is MITM'ing you and you don't even know

09:55:20 fluffypony: even worse - the Great Firewall in China uses BlueCoat

09:55:26 fluffypony: as do a bunch of other nation state firewalls

09:55:27 Framedragger: they are also, i think, effectively responsible for deaths of numerous people in iran, china and the likes, as they export (against regulations, at least for a time) this shit to be used by states to intercept SSL traffic etc, to fingerprint tor traffic and so on

09:55:31 kakobrekla: in corporate environment its fine because you are the bitch!

09:55:32 fluffypony: so this is pretty shitty

09:55:41 Framedragger: fluffypony: good to know, thanks

09:56:49 Framedragger: like, china's GFW connects to *any* new foreign ip in 15 minute intervals and attempts to speak tor protocol etc. if detect => null route (or something more malicious). the infrastructure is admirably built. thanks to cisco and bluecoat

09:57:00 fluffypony: yup

09:57:57 fluffypony: it's an arms race, they're hard-pressed to win out against tools that are constantly improving

09:59:38 Framedragger: from a leaked cisco presentation to china: http://imgur.com/Y6AxSnn

09:59:39 assbot: Imgur: The most awesome images on the Internet ... ( http://bit.ly/1qNYja2 )

09:59:41 fluffypony: I've been using Meek as my Tor transport, it's pretty awesome, no need to do punching or double-NAT or anything complex

10:00:14 kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-05-2016#1449132 < there are many types of scam, but i think 5year olds know (diametric can possibly confirm) that 'taking something that is not yours' means stealing. in case if mp is so poor he cant afford dogfood for himself, i would consider donating.

10:00:14 assbot: Logged on 26-05-2016 22:16:13; asciilifeform: kakobrekla: what in your view is the defining attribute of a scam?

10:00:21 Framedragger: `Combat "Falun Gong" evil religion` - we can help you identify these folks' (http://imgur.com/Y6AxSnn) traffic guyz! and they did..

10:00:34 fluffypony: O.o

10:01:10 kakobrekla: lulzies

10:01:30 Framedragger: there's this joke,

10:01:31 Framedragger: "It should be noted that no ethically-trained software engineer would ever consent to write a DestroyBaghdad procedure. Basic professional ethics would instead require him to write a DestroyCity procedure, to which Baghdad could be given as a parameter."

10:01:48 Framedragger: well, cisco fails even the "write general procedure so all is well, k" case

10:02:09 fluffypony: lol

10:02:22 fluffypony: so the slide should've read "Combat divisive religious elements"

10:02:57 Framedragger: s/these folks' (http:\/\/imgur.com\/Y6AxSnn)/these folks' (https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Falun_Gong)/

10:04:15 Framedragger: combat any challengers to power, or really any ethnic or religious group you desire, LOOK WE'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE

10:04:20 kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-05-2016#1449136 < did he made you drink bleach over the weekend or something? fucked him how? lets first address the contents: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-04-2016#1444439 and http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-04-2016#1444672

10:04:20 assbot: Logged on 26-05-2016 22:17:37; asciilifeform: kakobrekla expected to get his dough out regardless of how much he fucked mp & co. over.

10:04:20 assbot: Logged on 19-04-2016 18:12:20; asciilifeform: everything kako said re the functioning of bbet in re what determined an obligation, and its satisfaction, is entirely correct

10:04:20 assbot: Logged on 19-04-2016 19:55:35; asciilifeform: as is imho proper.

10:05:14 kakobrekla: now lets take a look at the form: (written by your favorite gypsy) http://fraudsters.com/2013/bitcoin-assets-rules-and-regulations/

10:05:15 assbot: #bitcoin-assets rules and regulations on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1k32ZX6 )

10:05:59 kakobrekla: the only thing he could possibly be insulted by is that i was right

10:07:20 kakobrekla: and to address http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-05-2016#1449134 < why the fuck do we then have gpg statements, gpg signed contracts etc if things are ran by expectations

10:07:20 assbot: Logged on 26-05-2016 22:16:50; asciilifeform: or is it: violated expectations.

10:11:30 kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-05-2016#1449135 < yes you favour whatever broken view that will allow you to justify 'that gypsy is a great and solid guy', this much is apparent.

10:11:30 assbot: Logged on 26-05-2016 22:17:00; asciilifeform: i favour the latter view

10:12:27 kakobrekla: i think this means he is in love.

10:34:30 kakobrekla: (and to add, we also know who the bitch is!)

12:12:45 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-05-2016#1449206 << there is no contradiction ye fool. try this:

12:12:45 assbot: Logged on 27-05-2016 10:04:20; kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-05-2016#1449136 < did he made you drink bleach over the weekend or something? fucked him how? lets first address the contents: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-04-2016#1444439 and http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-04-2016#1444672

12:12:59 asciilifeform: 1) wolf ate kakobrekla's pets

12:13:24 asciilifeform: 2) kakobrekla goes to forest and finds the wolf

12:13:46 asciilifeform: 3) kakobrekla kicks the wolf in his balls

12:13:58 asciilifeform: what did he expect would happen?

12:14:39 asciilifeform: note that i still believe that he had a legit dispute with wolf.

12:15:04 asciilifeform: but if you can't kill a wolf, you leave it alone.

12:16:27 asciilifeform: and if you kick it and it bites your legs off, there is no element of surprise, and you have not been 'gypsied' etc.

12:17:49 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-05-2016#1449218 << what do they do with rabid dogs where you live?

12:17:49 assbot: Logged on 27-05-2016 10:34:30; kakobrekla: (and to add, we also know who the bitch is!)

12:18:12 asciilifeform: srsly man is blind with rage.

12:19:02 asciilifeform: go to pistol practice and take a photo of your devil for a target, it will be good for your health kako

12:20:48 *: asciilifeform bbl, meetings

13:29:38 kakobrekla: your wolf analogy is broken so badly i cant even think of where to start fixing it. lemme tell you this: event X happens. the expectation of X does not infer that X did not take place.

13:31:21 kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-05-2016#1449230 < what am i to respond a mormon that claims im blind to jesus christ?

13:31:21 assbot: Logged on 27-05-2016 12:18:12; asciilifeform: srsly man is blind with rage.

13:34:20 kakobrekla: also why did alf negrate magicaltux? it was expected that his exchange will go bust and he will fuck it all up.

13:36:42 pankkake: more like jehovas witnesses. at least mormons don't ring my doorbell to tell me about god

13:37:30 kakobrekla: l0l

13:41:50 thestringpuller: you can't hate on mormons

14:04:58 kakobrekla: just before i go for a while, as i understand alf is going: kako had a legit dispute with a gypsy which decided its best to rip off kako and now therefore gypsy is not a scammer but a wolf. pls to share the lsd!

14:10:01 kakobrekla: oh, and i was not gypsied by a gypsy because gypsy did what gypsies do.

14:51:22 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: give the gypsies a rest, iirc fella's a hungarian or similar

14:52:16 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-05-2016#1449236 << because he stole for usg.

14:52:16 assbot: Logged on 27-05-2016 13:34:20; kakobrekla: also why did alf negrate magicaltux? it was expected that his exchange will go bust and he will fuck it all up.

14:53:04 asciilifeform: and what 'was expected' srsly

14:53:47 asciilifeform: wake me up when you have thoughts, vs tilt, kako. tilt is a snore.

14:58:10 assbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/8BE6D699C631055360A2B55CD6AAEBAAC1C91F872E97936AC73A1790F694079B ; Phuctored: 5391673272318505738681 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Lou Anschuetz <lou@ece.cmu.edu>; '

17:16:53 kakobrekla: mno. your idea that the theft is justified is delusional and you are just constructing this to somehow avoid a fraud title - see one, dont call it, you are one.

17:23:22 kakobrekla: !up lobbes_field

17:23:31 lobbes_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-05-2016#1449243 << so theft is justified because mp is stealing 'not for usg'?

17:23:31 assbot: Logged on 27-05-2016 14:52:16; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-05-2016#1449236 << because he stole for usg.

17:24:09 kakobrekla: his argument is also 'its justified because i asked for it with a legit dispute'

17:26:14 lobbes_field: I understand the "Im afraid to go against mp cause he organizes and provides enterprise' but it is a real point that a vast majority of the work done here was by -others-

17:29:50 kakobrekla: well tbh he is great at breaking toys.

17:33:20 jurov: kakobrekla, you committed a heresy by straying from alf's article of faith, namely "1. God authorized exclusively mircea_popescu to righteusly tilt. Any other tilt is evil."

17:34:17 jurov: Maybe Stalin got the dispensation, too. but he's dead anyway.

17:34:38 lobbes_field: I came to b-a after seeing the "trust me, I have sekret intel" and theft rampant on tardstalk forums. Funny that the same type of behavior is starting to show in ol' mp himself

17:36:01 kakobrekla: aha jurov point.

17:36:55 kakobrekla: lobbes_field funny how sheeple in #t take it w/o a blink

17:37:47 lobbes_field: it is the cargo cult in full effect

17:38:38 kakobrekla: if this was 2013 mp would get neg-rated into n oil well

17:40:39 kakobrekla: and the hole capped with his shills.

17:41:10 lobbes_field: I still am here for the same quest: knowledge. Thing is that mp surrounds self with knowledgeable people. this is hard to find and let go of. But scams are still scams. I see the point about 'silent presence reassuring him'

17:42:01 kakobrekla: imo the only one that is bearing any knowledge (about specific topics) is/was alf.

17:42:56 kakobrekla: anyway, let me reassure you, there is plenty of b00ks worth reading instead of logs full of 'we killed usg'.

17:43:33 lobbes_field: he is, from what I can tell, the engine of most endeavors here/there

17:43:51 kakobrekla: most of which are dead.

17:44:58 kakobrekla: >I see the point about 'silent presence reassuring him' < he may as well laugh silently behind the keyboard 'check deze ducks - i can shit on their head and they are still around'

17:46:43 kakobrekla: apparently repeating a billion times 'tmdr is the best' and 'tmdr is responsible for $random-event' really worx

17:48:37 lobbes_field: yeah, tmdr dogma always left an odd taste in my mouth..

17:49:37 lobbes_field: how is it any different from $randomstate, especially when you add in scammy behavior

17:50:34 kakobrekla: its actually closer to religion

17:50:40 kakobrekla: which is even worse.

17:51:23 kakobrekla: but you see - in chistian church priests who rape kidz get away with it.

17:52:39 lobbes_field: religion isnt inherrently bad until you start imposing it and using it to justify actions, which is indeed what is happening

17:53:10 kakobrekla: well - religion is faith based. faith based anything is bad is my argument.

17:54:12 kakobrekla: !up lobbes_field

17:54:13 pankkake: religions can foster great civilizations, maybe this is part of mp's great plan

17:54:26 kakobrekla: by great you mean deluded?

17:54:38 lobbes_field: agreed, business can't really thrive on faith

17:54:53 kakobrekla: or science.

17:54:59 kakobrekla: its ok to say 'i dont know'.

18:03:58 kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-05-2016#1449265 < i actually suspect he is repeating this so much just to keep alf around (w/o him the thing would end up in ruins)

18:03:58 assbot: Logged on 27-05-2016 17:42:56; kakobrekla: anyway, let me reassure you, there is plenty of b00ks worth reading instead of logs full of 'we killed usg'.

19:21:30 pankkake: http://swedishstartupspace.com/2016/05/27/knc-miner-declares-bankruptcy-chinese-competition-too-tough/

19:21:31 assbot: KNC Miner Declares Bankruptcy - Chinese Competition Too Tough - Swedish Startup Space ... ( http://bit.ly/1RxFFJg )

19:24:44 kakobrekla: interesting. im sure it will reaffirm chinese konspiraci killed bitbet theorem.

19:24:51 kakobrekla: on that note i wonder how buttfury is doing.

19:27:02 punkman: wasn't KNC the one with the stabbing?>

19:27:48 kakobrekla: possibly

19:37:16 kakobrekla: wait wait wait - since knc miner was mining 'classic' blocks, tmdr must be responsible for its death. how could i missed it!

19:56:54 kakobrekla: https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/server-cloud/2016/05/26/microsoft-and-facebook-to-build-subsea-cable-across-atlantic/

19:56:55 assbot: Microsoft and Facebook to build subsea cable across Atlantic | Server & Cloud Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1XWyoKS )

20:01:32 jurov: heh, that made me remember how i pestered gandi.net why my traffic between paris and dublin goes through virginia?

20:02:38 kakobrekla: that probably is not prerequisite for spying any longer

20:02:50 diametric: actually its more likely because Gandi has a datacenter in Baltimore.

20:03:07 diametric: and peers with an ISP whos swipe information is located in VA.

20:04:27 kakobrekla: are we talking about a dns request or actual data?

20:04:33 diametric: I used to work for a company that did shutdowns for counterfeit goods sites, gandi was by far the most difficult company to work with

20:04:43 diametric: they refused to comply with authorities or anything short of a court order.

20:04:57 diametric: which is why i have my domains on them

20:06:47 diametric: i'm only guessing thats why the traffic from paris -> dublin goes through VA, simply because of peering costs is cheaper to do so by utilizing their interconnects in their baltimore facility.

20:07:26 jurov: well, they eventually fixed it, so prolly no biggie

20:21:24 jurov: and it was data, dns was not involved

20:26:56 diametric: if it was fixed it was probably just a bad route advertisement or something

20:27:11 diametric: possibly malicious as suspected