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00:00:16 benkay: kuzetsa: this is why reading the logs is mandatory to keep up with conversation

00:01:04 benkay: kakobrekla, mike_c, jurov, mircea_popescu: i think this is an open question. does F.DERP NAV include coverage?

00:02:35 jurov: !t m d.bpay

00:02:36 assbot: Good morning, may you serve the Lord, and may His holy dominion guide you through your dismal life.

00:02:46 jurov: !t m s.mpoe

00:02:46 assbot: Your actions are useless.

00:02:52 jurov: !t mpex s.mpoe

00:02:52 assbot: You know, I've had it up to here with this Indian malarkey.

00:02:53 benkay: gr8

00:03:06 jurov: !ticker mpex s.mpoe

00:03:07 assbot: Good morning, may you serve the Lord, and may His holy dominion guide you through your dismal life.

00:03:21 jurov: /o

00:03:32 benkay: kakobrekla: assbot's broken

00:04:12 benkay: !mpif

00:04:12 assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021707 B (Total: 474.69 B). Delta: -0.59 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00019 BTC [-]

00:04:14 benkay: !help

00:04:14 assbot: List of commands:

00:04:15 assbot: !up (desc: sending it via PM will voice you on chan given sufficient WOT rating)

00:04:16 assbot: !up <nick> (desc: sending it on chan will give <nick> voice for 30 minutes)

00:04:17 assbot: !ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !t}

00:04:18 assbot: !last <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns last price value, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !l}

00:04:19 assbot: !mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)

00:04:20 assbot: !rules <nick/chan> (desc: chan guidelines) {short: !r}

00:04:21 assbot: !exchanges <nick/chan> (desc: lists exchanges and brokers) {short: !e}

00:04:22 assbot: !jd (desc: returns relevant stats from https://just-dice.com)

00:04:23 assbot: !bash <lines> (desc: bashes last <lines> lines to bash) {short: !b}

00:04:24 assbot: !quote <lines> (desc: quotes last <lines> lines and returns dpaste url) {short: !q}

00:04:25 kuzetsa: benkay: there's too much text in here

00:04:46 benkay: kuzetsa: it ain't so bad

00:05:56 kuzetsa: it's busier than most channels I'm able to keep up with

00:06:19 benkay: so ditch the zeros and hang with the heroes

00:09:27 jurov: btw, mpex.ws says the volume is only 42

00:09:37 jurov: on d.bpay

00:10:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.17011317 = 1.8712 BTC [-] {3}

00:11:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.17004559 = 1.8705 BTC [-] {4}

00:11:48 mircea_popescu: <benkay> fund'll probably be around for a few years, eh? << yes.

00:12:19 mircea_popescu: <jurov> so if, say, bitpay suddenly croaks, F.DERP NAV will increase by 240 BTC? << yes.

00:12:55 mircea_popescu: <benkay> kakobrekla, mike_c, jurov, mircea_popescu: i think this is an open question. does F.DERP NAV include coverage? << yes. let's model this thing :

00:13:20 mircea_popescu: F gets 100 btc in cash, issues 50 btc worth of f.a shares and 50 btc worth of f.b shares. 10 btc of each sells.

00:13:24 mircea_popescu: f now has 120 in cash.

00:13:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.17 = 0.68 BTC [-]

00:13:50 mircea_popescu: 100 of which is equity of shareholders, 20 is provisions.

00:14:17 mircea_popescu: f.a croaks. f.b now has the same 120 in cash, but equity moves : 110 shareholders, 10 provisions. leaving a nav gain of 10.

00:14:30 mircea_popescu: f.b lists, the f section thereof being worth 30 btc.

00:14:42 mircea_popescu: f now has 90 in cash, and nav dropped 20 from last, and 10 lifetime.

00:14:47 mircea_popescu: make sense ?

00:16:04 jurov: you mean d.a and d.b ?

00:16:35 mircea_popescu: as the case may be, yes.

00:17:26 mircea_popescu: now, this is not mandatory, in the sense that an investor can evaluate the nav through absolutely any methodology that investor likes.

00:18:14 jurov: won't there be f.mpif-style marketmaker for f.derp?

00:18:33 mircea_popescu: nope.

00:19:30 mircea_popescu: and here's one speshul for pankkake http://37.media.tumblr.com/53fbd15a90e53bc23b349de22ea8fa3c/tumblr_n4g2brf52J1qddd4so1_500.jpg

00:20:49 benkay: fuq is going on there?

00:21:20 mircea_popescu: and here's one for benkay http://whiteslaver.tumblr.com/post/83525401294

00:21:20 assbot: White Slavery is Real

00:22:05 benkay: nom

00:22:39 DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, could use some tutoring about stocks / shares / dividends as well, mainly from the perspective of getting something listed

00:22:50 mircea_popescu: ;;google how does one list on mpex

00:22:51 gribble: How does one list on MPEx ? pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea ...: http://fraudsters.com/how-does-one-list-on-mpex; Why List On MPEx? | When Bitcoin Met Pete: http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/07/15/why-list-on-mpex/; MPEx & Bitcoin Stock Exchanges - Bitcoin Forum: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=145919.0

00:23:10 DreadKnight: thanks

00:23:25 jurov: makes sense, only i suspect f.derp will fall to quirky pricing of mpex assets

00:24:40 mircea_popescu: mebbe

00:26:53 kuzetsa: ;;echo kuzetsa highlight test]

00:26:53 gribble: Error: Spurious "]". You may want to quote your arguments with double quotes in order to prevent extra brackets from being evaluated as nested commands.

00:27:01 kuzetsa: ;;echo kuzetsa highlight test (attempt 2)

00:27:01 gribble: kuzetsa highlight test (attempt 2)

00:27:08 kuzetsa: ah good, I correctly configured my client

00:27:37 kuzetsa: [20:00:17] <+benkay> kuzetsa: this is why reading the logs is mandatory to keep up with conversation

00:27:49 benkay: yesm?

00:28:37 kuzetsa: benkay: thanks for the advice --- despite being busier than I'm used to, I happen to like it here more than most channels, so I finally got around to configuring my "highlight on nick" feature on my client

00:29:24 kuzetsa: I really should've done it ages ago, I'm often in a more than 2 dozen channels across no fewer than 4 networks most of the time

00:29:31 benkay: lol that's a pretty scanty sample on which to base that

00:29:35 benkay: we must be p awesome

00:29:38 kuzetsa: (lately it's been 30+ channels across 5 networks)

00:30:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 57 @ 0.01533003 = 0.8738 BTC [+] {2}

00:31:38 mircea_popescu: kuzetsa i do only 1 chan

00:32:04 kuzetsa: I like no fewer than 4chan, but mostly because I'm such a /b/tard

00:32:30 benkay: wait a /b/tard who gets panty-twisted over gender assignations?

00:32:33 kuzetsa: ... I really don't go in /b/ much these days though (or any of 4chan, really)

00:32:44 mircea_popescu: o.O

00:32:47 mircea_popescu: are we being trolled ?

00:33:20 kuzetsa: mircea_popescu: not by me (at this time)

00:33:25 kuzetsa: I occasionally attempt humor though

00:33:33 kuzetsa: ... and that rarely works out well

00:33:43 mircea_popescu: !up BrianB

00:33:48 benkay: time will tell i suppose

00:34:19 cazalla: kuzetsa, how about /pol/ ?

00:34:23 jurov: on a second thought, it will result in money cumulating in f.derp whenever d.* croaks with some promise "will be paid out in few years"

00:34:24 kuzetsa: yes, I'm doing a pirateat40-style long con or something, except with trolling

00:35:10 jurov: wouldn't be better to pay out part of it right after d.* event?

00:35:12 kuzetsa: cazalla: which one is that on? gurochan? or is it 4chan and I just don't pay close enough attention?

00:35:16 mircea_popescu: jurov in principle if one wants to keep the same btc value that one just sells share

00:35:19 benkay: <jurov> on a second thought, it will result in money cumulating in f.derp whenever d.* croaks with some promise "will be paid out in few years" // yeah, this.

00:35:34 benkay: i like the mpex assets that accumulate btc.

00:35:40 cazalla: kuzetsa, this one http://boards.4chan.org/pol/

00:35:41 assbot: /pol/ - Politically Incorrect

00:35:44 benkay: :thumbsup: from the kid

00:36:34 jurov: it's then hard to sell for me "it will never pay anything, but dun worry, mircea has it"

00:36:44 *: kuzetsa clicks cazalla's link out of morbid curiousity

00:37:04 mircea_popescu: isn't that how everything goes ?

00:37:34 jurov: it does not go for coinbr :(

00:37:51 jurov: it needs another s.dice

00:38:11 benkay: now hang on just liquidate the thing when you want out

00:38:15 benkay: as nav goes up so will bids

00:38:22 mircea_popescu: ^

00:38:47 kuzetsa: cazalla: thanks, I skimmed the first page of /pol/ and then when I got to the bottom I intentionally clicked a banner ad link which took me to jlist since it seemed more interesting than checking the next page

00:39:00 mircea_popescu: ;;ud jlist

00:39:01 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Jlist.com | ... JLIHP · j'like · J Lil' Swag · j'lin · J. Lindeberg · j-line · JLing · jlining · Jlink · Jlinklet · J. Linz · Jliop · j-list · Jlist.com · J-lister · JLit · JLJC ... Jlist.com isn't defined.

00:39:10 benkay: mircea_popescu's committed to filling sells below nav every day

00:39:24 benkay: if he stops, the jig is clearly up anyways lololololol

00:39:46 mircea_popescu: i am ?

00:40:06 jurov: benkay he just said, no MM

00:40:20 benkay: "To maintain liquidity, all ASKS under NAV will be bought up once during the 24 hour period after the fund reports. "

00:40:51 jurov: that's from where?

00:40:59 benkay: there's no contract, clearly, which is impeding this discussion.

00:41:03 *: benkay elbows mircea_popescu

00:41:11 benkay: http://fraudsters.com/2014/introducing-fderp/

00:41:12 assbot: Introducing F.DERP pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

00:41:50 cazalla: kuzetsa, l2adblock and troll harder

00:43:09 kuzetsa: cazalla: nah, I just use a sandboxed browsers and have a rate limiter on how much CPU waste any particular script can use

00:43:09 mircea_popescu: unrelatedly, a bond of sisterhood : http://38.media.tumblr.com/6a01f43d02568fbd24a0a0eca4f1b4f6/tumblr_n3ml6w9kv31qlne6uo1_500.jpg

00:44:24 kuzetsa: cazalla: and incidentally, I really was bored and wandered over to jlist -- they have nice merch.

00:44:44 benkay: man cazalla you're p butthurt this afternoon

00:44:52 cazalla: kuzetsa, are you japanese?

00:46:19 cazalla: benkay, not reary, just bored, little sleep, teething baby and all

00:46:46 benkay: brutal.

00:47:25 mircea_popescu: basically he's horny.

00:49:07 kuzetsa: cazalla: いいえでも日本語はなしま

00:49:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 200 @ 0.00294999 = 0.59 BTC [-] {2}

00:50:12 cazalla: kuzetsa, i didn't think you'd be one to engage in cultural appropriation

00:52:52 kuzetsa: what?

00:54:17 benkay: generally people who get bent out of shape about gender and naming and shaming and what-has-one don't do the cultural appropriation thing, because "imperialism".

00:54:35 kuzetsa: fuck that shit

00:54:57 mircea_popescu: lol wait, people can't speak foreign languages now ?

00:54:59 kuzetsa: I don't subscribe to any particular rules of conduct

00:55:07 mircea_popescu: in bitcoin-assets ?! when did this happen

00:55:25 benkay: ASSPLAIN YOURSELF, CAZALLA

00:55:47 benkay: the torches and pitchforks approach

00:55:52 kuzetsa: yes

00:56:08 cazalla: kuzetsa, why browse and purchase items from jlist when you're not japanese, that's cultural appropriation and typical of you tumblr types

00:56:24 cazalla: ah, benkay already explained

00:56:39 kuzetsa: heh

00:56:41 mircea_popescu: lmao cultural appropriation get out

00:56:54 cazalla: it's a thing mircea_popescu

00:56:57 kuzetsa: yeah sure, jlist is the devil or something

00:57:02 mircea_popescu: on chinese keyboards ?

00:57:30 mircea_popescu: pity kakobrekla isn't here to tell them darned japs to stop wearing ties. SOMALIAN INVENTION.

00:57:33 cazalla: nfi, i didn't come up with or adhere to it

00:57:55 kuzetsa: cazalla: you're accusing someone of unethical non-boycotting of a presumably "bad / unethical" business when that same person also uses cex.io GHS despite the potential harms of centralization

00:58:33 cazalla: kuzetsa, that'd cause more harm to your wallet, wouldn't it?

00:58:41 DreadKnight: that Hannah Minx chick is all about cultural appropriation xD

00:58:48 kuzetsa: I'm lawful evil in most things, so the concept of boycotting a business whose practices aren't illegal or against my own personal practices would just be pointless.

00:59:57 mircea_popescu: http://37.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lv0y01P3bR1qflmf0o1_500.jpg <<< cuntural asspropriation.

01:00:25 kuzetsa: mircea_popescu: yeah, I've done the furniture thing (let's leave it to the imagination who was the furiture for who)

01:00:32 DreadKnight: first thing when I open my tumblr https://38.media.tumblr.com/401cda39387180f0af00831221ec654c/tumblr_n8yf0jCBYy1qg7sdjo1_500.jpg

01:00:40 mircea_popescu: well inasmuch as i don't know you, what diff does it make :p

01:01:01 kuzetsa: DreadKnight: mine is ... not that

01:01:53 kuzetsa: this is the most recent dashboard post for one of my more NSFW tumblr accounts ---> https://40.media.tumblr.com/7ac19bdd7652e3e26d497eb4cc5842c3/tumblr_n6uc3hzm3s1rbmzr2o1_500.jpg

01:02:23 kuzetsa: (I was not trolling, I really am honestly following http://diversexity.tumblr.com/ on that account)

01:02:24 assbot: Diversexity

01:05:00 benkay: "relax clara those who think that gender determines intellectual performance can't really have a good logical thinking"

01:05:03 benkay: lololol

01:05:47 mircea_popescu: kuzetsa not bad,

01:06:36 mircea_popescu: benkay you an' me baby are nothin' but mammals so let's get a good logical thinkin' thing goin'...

01:06:53 kuzetsa: neat

01:07:22 cazalla: kuzetsa, nb but too tubby for me

01:08:35 benkay: this is pretty funny: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSwhRZwFjfY

01:08:35 assbot: Typecast (Lorde "Royals" Parody) - YouTube

01:11:11 mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/727/block-315k-mined-on-or-before-july-28th/ << check out how close this ended up

01:11:11 assbot: BitBet - Block 315k mined on or before July 28th :: 0.44 B (5%) on Yes, 8.39 B (95%) on No | closed 1 week 5 days ago

01:11:22 mircea_popescu: 20 hours to go, 2k blocks away.

01:13:41 mircea_popescu: http://31.media.tumblr.com/9e1f3191c64d4fc9d9feab51d1484324/tumblr_moxas1emw31qddd4so1_500.jpg teh zoo of teh future!

01:15:06 DreadKnight: O_o

01:15:20 DreadKnight: wondering what's the story behind that picture

01:15:37 benkay: http://diversexity.tumblr.com/image/91934022948

01:15:37 assbot: Diversexity : Photo

01:15:57 DreadKnight: they seem to have knee protection, so probably walked in 4 limbs for quite a bit

01:16:05 benkay: also

01:16:07 benkay: http://31.media.tumblr.com/8616132a3e56c18c974ab4cbe3b2d513/tumblr_mmcb1gbWsN1qha9two1_500.jpg

01:16:56 kuzetsa: DreadKnight: yeah, the knee pad thing is a good safety measure for uhm... science O_O

01:16:57 DreadKnight: first one appeals to my sapiosexual side, second one has funny face

01:17:24 benkay: ;;ud sapiosexual

01:17:24 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=sapiosexual | sapiosexual. One who finds intelligence the most sexually attractive feature. "I want an incisive, inquisitive, insightful, irreverent mind. I want someone for whom  ...

01:17:31 DreadKnight: kuzetsa, are you into that sort of science as well? :D

01:17:54 kuzetsa: DreadKnight: ah, fair enough -- I thought sapiosexual was an ok word for my own preferences until I realized the extra fancy term: "panromantic demisexual" was a much more accurate thing in my case (as far as labels go)

01:18:16 kuzetsa: DreadKnight: which science?

01:18:33 DreadKnight: means attracted by intelligence basically

01:18:52 DreadKnight: kuzetsa, I was quoting you :D

01:18:54 benkay: so uh for the retards in the room what precisely are your inclinations, kuzetsa ?

01:19:12 benkay: panromantic demisexual

01:19:19 kuzetsa: benkay: uhhh

01:19:31 benkay: demi - not really into sex?

01:19:36 kuzetsa: oh

01:19:44 benkay: panromantic - lover of all?

01:20:02 kuzetsa: as far as romantic relationships are concerned, physicallity is something I neither object to nor expect

01:20:11 DreadKnight: nice

01:20:19 kuzetsa: or is it spelled physicality?

01:20:28 DreadKnight: I get the idea, also googled a bit

01:21:09 kuzetsa: benkay: yeah, all -- in the sense of there not being any particular body type or sexual or gender identity I find to be a dealbreaker

01:21:17 kuzetsa: "it's all good"

01:21:19 DreadKnight: would be great if less people were all about sex; maybe would see less stupid people with lots of kids as well

01:21:58 DreadKnight: frigging humanity is a cancer

01:22:16 cazalla: DreadKnight, you can always neck yourself

01:22:23 kuzetsa: DreadKnight: cancer eh?

01:22:28 benkay: kuzetsa: typically people focus more on the kinds of folks they want around rather than the kinds of folks they find objectionable

01:22:34 kuzetsa: DreadKnight: isn't the cancer astrological sign the one that looks like a 69?

01:22:40 DreadKnight: cazalla, so far I don't have kids, so that basically lowers population by itself if doing the math

01:22:57 cazalla: DreadKnight, but if you're so smart, surely makes sense to have kids then

01:23:16 benkay: cazalla: that raises an interesting question. why'd you choose to have kids?

01:23:36 cazalla: benkay, because i thought i was going to die

01:23:42 cazalla: i still am, perhaps just not as soon

01:23:48 DreadKnight: cazalla, maybe eventually, but it's not a must, need other things first

01:24:39 benkay: what was the timeframe when you made the call?

01:24:51 cazalla: benkay, as it turns out, i had pretty bad sinus infection

01:25:08 DreadKnight: cazalla, anyway, plenty of kids made and abandoned, it would be smarter to adopt one then make a new one just because imo

01:25:10 benkay: instead of what, cancer?

01:25:27 benkay: DreadKnight: gotta start from a known-good state.

01:25:29 cazalla: yeah plus list of other shit i googled, doctor didn't really help much

01:25:59 cazalla: benkay, obviously wasn't the sole reason but thinking i was going to die sooner than later, seemed like a good idea to have a kid

01:26:10 DreadKnight: xD

01:26:14 benkay: DreadKnight: this is the kind of advice that ruins people's lives: "go adopt a rescue animal for your first dog! you'll have no idea what it's suffered through or how trainable it is! think of the poor dogs!"

01:26:22 benkay: mnope nope nope nope nope

01:26:37 benkay: if you've never trained a dog, set both of yourselves up for success.

01:26:41 cazalla: DreadKnight, why would you adopt a kid, spend money on it when it's not even yours?

01:26:55 benkay: 'cause you're a hairshirt ecofreak.

01:27:04 cazalla: a million other kids can starve for all i care

01:27:06 DreadKnight: benkay, personally I think pets will pretty much disappear in favor of robots soon, but that's just me; anyway, jumping from humans to pets is quite a leap

01:27:35 benkay: wat

01:27:41 benkay: son you're crazy

01:28:07 DreadKnight: cazalla, we're all the same matter and it's not like I don't have physical weaknesses, same applies for my potential mate

01:28:10 benkay: do you have a pet, children, or any sort of long term human companion, DreadKnight ?

01:28:43 cazalla: DreadKnight, why not just have a friend come over and fuck your wife and raise that baby? i don't see the difference in that and adopting tbh

01:29:00 DreadKnight: benkay, said before I don't have children; had a few pets when I was younger; avoiding human companion atm

01:29:37 benkay: k you're disqualified from opining on relationships until you address all the above

01:29:40 DreadKnight: cazalla, adopting is when you take something already made that most likely has a shitty future; friend coming to fuck your wise is still making something brand new ;)

01:30:08 DreadKnight: benkay, your disqualification is invalid to me

01:30:50 DreadKnight: it's not like everybody needs to make a kid

01:31:08 DreadKnight: just to spread along some genes

01:31:40 cazalla: doesn't the urge to fuck come from that though

01:32:03 DreadKnight: I said I'm sapiosexual

01:32:19 DreadKnight: I'm not all about sex

01:32:25 cazalla: people who say that probably have small dicks

01:32:30 benkay: lol meaning you disqualify yourself from finding mates because they're stupid so you don't actually have to try to get laid

01:33:06 DreadKnight: cazalla, I'm doing really well in that field actually

01:33:46 DreadKnight: benkay, I'm not disqualifying myself, I like artsy chicks usually and single ones are pretty rare around

01:33:58 cazalla: why are you attracted to smart women DreadKnight? my wife is dumb as rock and that's how i like it

01:34:22 DreadKnight: haha

01:34:49 DreadKnight: why were you attracted to your wife? good looks? character/charisma? supportive?

01:34:50 benkay: cazalla needs to feel superior

01:34:56 DreadKnight: seems so

01:35:02 cazalla: not i'm just being honest

01:35:04 cazalla: no*

01:35:48 cazalla: DreadKnight, because she's loving, friendly, well natured, modest, prefers to do her craftwork, lampworking etc in her spare time instead of going out getting drunk

01:36:14 cazalla: plus that big ass

01:36:20 mircea_popescu: <DreadKnight> they seem to have knee protection, so probably walked in 4 limbs for quite a bit << yeah bursitis is no fun

01:36:49 DreadKnight: I'm attracted to smart women because they feel less like robots/animals, in the sense they're not all about sex / shopping / make-up; and if they even have an artistic side, like drawing, then even better :3

01:37:01 mircea_popescu: <benkay> panromantic demisexual << spending a lot of time daydreaming ?

01:37:32 mircea_popescu: <kuzetsa> "it's all good" << traditionally this isn't called anything but "desperate" you know.

01:38:32 DreadKnight: cazalla, sounds pretty nice overall; I prefer tities a bit more though

01:38:45 mircea_popescu: <cazalla> benkay, because i thought i was going to die << so what, something like "eh fuck the world, im dieing anyway" ?

01:38:50 cazalla: DreadKnight, well you should see these ones, full of milk, doubled in size :)

01:39:22 DreadKnight: cazalla, the thing is that around here in this city, there's a really nasty stereotype of girls, "pitzipoanca", basically a club barbie doll that's so not my type

01:39:28 cazalla: mircea_popescu, well yeah, if i'm honest that was part of it

01:40:13 mircea_popescu: <benkay> son you're crazy <<< wasn't that mocsny fellow derping the same derpage in the 90s ? o, soon sex robots!!1

01:40:17 DreadKnight: cazalla, pitzipoanca is usually smoking, has a lot of dresses, make-up, talks all the time on expensive latest iphone, goes clubbing all the time, listens only to music like house or manele (gypsy crap)

01:40:43 cazalla: DreadKnight, i don't like that either

01:40:49 mircea_popescu: DreadKnight the valley girl is not as romanian as you think.

01:41:33 nanotube: fluffypony: the20year's problem was his browser was caching the old encrypted otp. heysteve's is probably same?

01:41:54 mircea_popescu: nanotube likely yes.

01:41:56 DreadKnight: cazalla, my mayor is a drug addict with classical cars and there are a ton of "posh" clubs around, so I'm not quite in the place I should probably be

01:42:13 DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, yeah, noticed the pattern in other areas as well

01:42:18 mircea_popescu: benkay: DreadKnight: gotta start from a known-good state. << a well chosen known-bad state works even better.

01:42:41 benkay: if you're just learning how to do the thing?

01:43:01 mircea_popescu: a, no.

01:43:17 mircea_popescu: tbh, you shouldn't be learning by doing. but hey.

01:43:57 mircea_popescu: cazalla: people who say that probably have small dicks << zing, srsly.

01:44:28 mircea_popescu: artsy chicks are hard to get by now ?! what world is this!

01:44:36 benkay: mircea_popescu: seems that training slaves is one of those things you can only learn by doing

01:44:47 mircea_popescu: try and find some twentysomething that ISNT belabouring under the delusion that she can "create" art.

01:44:50 DreadKnight: quite a bit of people seen me naked and they said I'm doing really good length wise; and I was really cold at that time (shrinkage)

01:45:12 benkay: <mircea_popescu> try and find some twentysomething that ISNT belabouring under the delusion that she can "create" art. // srsly

01:45:19 cazalla: DreadKnight, exception that proves the rule perhaps

01:45:24 benkay: <DreadKnight> quite a bit of people seen me naked and they said I'm doing really good length wise; and I was really cold at that time (shrinkage)

01:45:24 benkay: // but nothing to compare on your own?

01:45:32 DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, compared to other types, artsy chicks are fewer, so more difficulty in getting one

01:45:49 benkay: DreadKnight: that's a geography problem

01:46:17 cazalla: DreadKnight, you see artsy as smart, i see it as dumb, we probably like the same women

01:47:18 DreadKnight: so a girl who makes 3d characters is dumb, while one that only smokes and drinks is better? xD

01:47:32 benkay: til that dumb has nothing to do with intelligence in aus

01:49:01 cazalla: DreadKnight, i'm sure i read something before that people who drink excessively are often smart

01:49:14 mircea_popescu: ;;google bani pentru piariste

01:49:15 gribble: Aprilie 2010 pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: http://fraudsters.com/2010/04; Rautati si Mizerii pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: http://fraudsters.com/category/rautati-si-mizerii/

01:49:36 mircea_popescu: DreadKnight http://fraudsters.com/2010/bani-pentru-piariste/ >> thjat might amuse you

01:49:38 assbot: Bani pentru piariste pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

01:50:14 mircea_popescu: i wouldn't fuck a woman that doesn't drink.

01:50:18 mircea_popescu: smoking... either way really.

01:50:22 kuzetsa: mircea_popescu: I don't agree to that joke about "desperate", particularly when demisexual persons are considered part of the asexual spectrum, and in my case, I don't particularly have a strong & compelling sex drive a lot of the time

01:50:23 asciilifeform: zoo of the future << zoolag.

01:50:26 asciilifeform: !s zoolag

01:50:27 assbot: 3 results for 'zoolag' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=zoolag

01:50:51 mircea_popescu: spectrum eh ?

01:51:07 benkay: sex drive lol

01:51:22 kuzetsa: yes, human asexuality isn't a black & white condition, there are gradiations and different forms it can take (like for instance, demisexual)

01:51:24 cazalla: mircea_popescu, i don't think people who refrain from drinking actually fuck, my missus for example

01:51:44 benkay: the person who drives the relationship makes sex happen, not the other way around.

01:52:07 benkay: ever seen two people who both like to be told what to do in bed lie there hoping the other will make a move?

01:52:14 mircea_popescu: ^

01:52:14 kuzetsa: benkay: I'm neither exclusively top nor bottom no submisive nor dominant in that regard :)

01:52:17 benkay: "did his toe touch mine? ARE WE GOING TO HAVE SEX?"

01:52:25 mircea_popescu: kuzetsa are you basically trying to not be anything ?

01:52:46 kuzetsa: mircea_popescu: nah, far from it -- demisexual is a thing

01:52:53 mircea_popescu: cazalla half wine enemas work wonders on them.

01:53:02 mircea_popescu: kuzetsa only according to you.

01:53:03 benkay: WINE ENEMA

01:53:13 kuzetsa: ;;ud demisexual

01:53:13 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=demisexual | Demisexuals are characterized by a lack of sexual attraction toward any person unless they become deeply emotionally or romantically connected with...

01:53:29 asciilifeform: sex drive >> http://www.easylife.org/fufme/faq-use.html

01:53:29 assbot: FuckU-FuckMe. Changing the feel of communication.

01:53:44 mircea_popescu: lol asciilifeform king of pun

01:53:52 benkay: pwm?

01:54:01 cazalla: kuzetsa, you remind me of this type of person http://i.imgur.com/tAShNZU.jpg

01:54:04 asciilifeform: benkay: pulse width modulation ?

01:54:27 benkay: :D

01:54:59 benkay: drive jokes

01:55:10 kuzetsa: cazalla: a lot of those are true about me

01:55:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8800 @ 0.00079935 = 7.0343 BTC [-]

01:55:28 mircea_popescu: lmao not bad imgur.

01:56:09 benkay: haha

01:56:52 kuzetsa: cazalla: thanks for linking that too, I didn't realize the word "kyriarchy" was even a thing (this word pleases me, it's a good thing to have a word for, and as a thing, kyriarchy sucks all of the badness)

01:57:10 mircea_popescu: benkay WINE ENEMA << yes. a regular bottle of white wine should suffice for two girls. mix in about a liter of warm water, use a bag or syringe and finish with jewel buttplug.

01:57:16 asciilifeform: 'rule by the rulers', lol

01:57:30 mircea_popescu: ;;ud kyriarchy

01:57:30 gribble: http://el.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=kyriarchy | τυχαίο A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z # νέο tv. Μόδα. thot · totes magotes · colonel angus · reddit hug · poopsock · tittybong · poopsterbate ...

01:57:38 benkay: poopsock?

01:57:41 benkay: tittybong?

01:57:49 mircea_popescu: o hey!

01:58:06 *: mircea_popescu decides to be MP, Supreme Bitcoin Kyriarch henceforth.

01:58:07 kuzetsa: mircea_popescu: this is more better than... whatever the fuck that particult urban dictioary gibberish was (and unlike urban dictionary, has actual citations) ---> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyriarchy

01:58:07 assbot: Kyriarchy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

01:58:16 *: asciilifeform owns 'kyristor.com'

01:58:16 cazalla: benkay you've never had a poopsock? clearly you've never played an mmorpg then

01:58:36 benkay: i did eve for a while

01:58:37 asciilifeform: (think 'resistor' or 'capacitor')

01:58:38 mircea_popescu: well not to that degree.

01:59:01 benkay: but no, that sort of shit's far less entertaining than...anything else.

01:59:22 mircea_popescu: "Kyriarchy ("rule by a lord") is a social system or set of connecting social systems built around domination, oppression, and submission. " << yeah. basically, they now have a word to describe how the world both is and is supposed to be.

01:59:35 *: kuzetsa narrows eyes

01:59:37 mircea_popescu: well done femiderps :D

01:59:56 kuzetsa: libertarians piss me the fuck off too, actually -_-

02:00:09 benkay: they've come full circle to making sense i guess

02:00:10 kuzetsa: well they do and they don't

02:00:14 mircea_popescu: whai ? they just protest teh kyriarchy

02:00:17 kuzetsa: right libertarianism, specifically

02:00:47 asciilifeform: just wait till we plug the kyristors in.

02:01:13 kuzetsa: ... considering that left libertarianism isn't particularly incompatible with democratic socialism

02:01:42 mircea_popescu: "democratic socialism" is incompatible with reality.

02:01:47 DreadKnight: that imgur is what I had in mind as well overall

02:02:12 cazalla: or a really subtle troll

02:02:18 DreadKnight: :D

02:02:22 mircea_popescu: "FuckU-FuckMe is the most powerful, pleasurable, inexpensive, and only dual-party Internet remote intercourse tool on the market today." << this should be on an ipo

02:02:31 mircea_popescu: anyone here care to recycle that website into a tardstalk ipo ?

02:02:40 asciilifeform: lol!

02:02:46 cazalla: i guess the best trolls are the ones that you're not sure of

02:03:27 DreadKnight: agree

02:05:14 DreadKnight: it's a form or art :D

02:05:18 DreadKnight: of*

02:05:22 mircea_popescu: anyway, does kuzetsa get the crown for the first libertard to have tried b-a or does truffles actually get that one ?

02:05:42 kuzetsa: what's a b-a?

02:05:45 mircea_popescu: this place.

02:05:48 kuzetsa: oh

02:06:01 kuzetsa: ok, then what's a libertard?

02:06:09 DreadKnight: bacon

02:06:26 mircea_popescu: someone who mistakenly believes that human life can have meaning outside of an opressive structure.

02:06:30 kuzetsa: specifically, is it a pejorative term (I assume) aimed at a particular political affiliation?

02:06:48 kuzetsa: mircea_popescu: oh, no, I don't think humans are AT ALL MEANINGFUL IN THE WHOLE UNIVERSE EVER

02:06:59 mircea_popescu: generally, people who identify as liberals, progressives, social-something or the other etc.

02:07:06 kuzetsa: the universe would still exist if humanity was wiped out

02:07:13 mircea_popescu: that has nothing to do.

02:07:16 kuzetsa: this planet is nothing special either

02:07:30 mircea_popescu: this isn't an ontological discussion.

02:07:34 DreadKnight: xD

02:07:44 DreadKnight: it's political

02:07:51 mircea_popescu: quite.

02:08:01 kuzetsa: huh

02:08:34 mircea_popescu: basically, anyone who's to the left of, being in favour of the release of serbs in medieval germany/russia could count as a libertard, depending how the conversation turns.

02:08:44 kuzetsa: so to clarify, are you referring to things vaguely on the side of "social left" = libertard?

02:08:45 DreadKnight: kuzetsa, do you think that the opinion of all people matter? (something to step in the right direction)

02:09:05 kuzetsa: DreadKnight: no, most people don't matter

02:09:06 mircea_popescu: kuzetsa and most of contemporary "right".

02:09:31 DreadKnight: kuzetsa, but why?

02:09:34 mircea_popescu: <kuzetsa> DreadKnight: no, most people don't matter << isn't that opressive ?!

02:09:34 kuzetsa: people don't matter, and their opinions tend to be at least twice as stupid

02:10:00 DreadKnight: why? :P

02:10:26 kuzetsa: DreadKnight: as mircea_popescu said, this isn't an ontological discussion (and then you chimed in to qualify: it's political)

02:12:22 DreadKnight: you were almost talking about aliens

02:12:51 DreadKnight: mircea brought you back to earth

02:13:03 kuzetsa: nah, more along the lines of the heat death of the universe (at which point, politics are no longer relevant)

02:13:15 mircea_popescu: of course they are.

02:13:20 mircea_popescu: what isn't relevant is said death.

02:13:46 kuzetsa: heat death of the universe resets everything to a state of entropy, including politics

02:14:01 asciilifeform: http://kyristor.com << dumped my ancient derpage in there for archaeologists to derp on.

02:14:02 assbot: kyristor

02:14:03 mircea_popescu: one of the telling symptoms of the libertard is that he'll replace his person as is with some sort of ilimited derivative of god, and pretend to concern himself with "the termic death of the universe".

02:14:05 DreadKnight: universe will likely reset itself, all supposedly immortal beings within it's bounds will get poked as well with it

02:14:17 mircea_popescu: this is not a consideration open to you, the demiamorous pansexual w/e the hell.

02:14:45 *: kuzetsa shrugs

02:15:01 kuzetsa: aliens wouldn't be as tedious as human-type people are... socializing is hard :(

02:15:17 DreadKnight: do you know any aliens?

02:15:19 kuzetsa: (this is that "social idiot" thing I mentioned)

02:15:24 mircea_popescu: right, the dollies wouldn't be as hard as the classmates, if the dollies were classmates.

02:15:27 mircea_popescu: except, they are not.

02:15:38 mircea_popescu: this oppressive point of reality must be digested.

02:15:53 kuzetsa: DreadKnight: none, no, they just seem plausibly less tedious (though not neccessarily friendly to be around) than figuring out how people work

02:16:37 DreadKnight: Kushed, just because they're from a different place doesn't mean they're not affected by polarity / gravity and yin&yang as well

02:16:52 mircea_popescu: poor Kushed

02:16:58 DreadKnight: right

02:17:00 DreadKnight: kuzetsa, ^

02:17:57 kuzetsa: DreadKnight: my premise in thinking it would plausibly be less tedious isn't that they would be "better" but that it would be less "same old shit"

02:18:15 DreadKnight: anyway, you're kinda dodging the libertard subject thingy, so moving on I guess...

02:18:28 kuzetsa: I don't know what libertard means, so yeah

02:18:32 DreadKnight: kuzetsa, same colors in their world as well, unless they get to see more of them or maybe less

02:18:58 DreadKnight: or none

02:19:15 DreadKnight: seen a nice asian movie about humanity going blind

02:19:37 DreadKnight: thanks to some virus

02:19:41 kuzetsa: neat

02:19:44 mircea_popescu: i guess this one must be for cazalla http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lnasqguj3m1qlne6uo1_500.jpg

02:19:47 asciilifeform: asimov's 'nightfall.' 'children of men.' snore.

02:20:10 cazalla: mircea_popescu, still too skinny

02:20:22 DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, nice to see contrast like that

02:20:44 mircea_popescu: twist : stephen king is actually going blind, and borges too

02:21:08 asciilifeform: borges is dead

02:21:16 cazalla: i don't see the appeal in the chains plus that residue you get on your hands from shit like that would annoy me

02:21:20 asciilifeform: unless you're thinking of one other than jorge luis

02:21:29 mircea_popescu: well, were.

02:22:16 mircea_popescu: cazalla the appeal was supposed to be the secret life of the teenager.

02:22:24 DreadKnight: +

02:22:36 DreadKnight: it wasn't about the chain

02:23:07 DreadKnight: though it shows some kinkiness :3

02:23:25 cazalla: are you trying to chris hanson me or something

02:23:44 mthreat: more coverage for sexy saffron, http://www.dailydot.com/business/pornstar-loves-bitcoin/

02:23:45 assbot: Porn star explains why she loves Bitcoin while stripping

02:24:09 cazalla: more PR than Indiancandy could pay for

02:24:19 decimation: ascii have you read Hal Clement's Mission of Gravity

02:24:27 asciilifeform: negative

02:24:59 mircea_popescu: mthreat cool. cazalla yes :D

02:25:00 DreadKnight: mthreat, she's actually from around :)

02:25:10 DreadKnight: yeah

02:25:11 mircea_popescu: DreadKnight from around where ?!

02:25:14 DreadKnight: channel

02:25:24 mircea_popescu: ah, the history we don't know :D

02:25:38 DreadKnight: heard a bit

02:25:56 decimation: What about Niven's "A World Out of Time"

02:26:24 decimation: 1970's prisonier who was cryo-frozen, then unfrozen in the future and sent on a mission to the center of galaxy

02:26:49 *: asciilifeform thinks niven is a hack

02:27:05 DreadKnight: decimation, ever seen Idiocracy movie?

02:27:17 decimation: yeah I've seen it

02:27:35 decimation: I started ringworld, I thought it was boring, didn't get the hype

02:28:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31550 @ 0.00079813 = 25.181 BTC [-] {2}

02:29:43 decimation: 2001: a space odyssey was one of my favorite movies as a kid, but I was disappointed by the book honestly

02:30:00 decimation: kubrik > clarke

02:30:40 kuzetsa: whatever, I don't care if I'm a libertard or not -- figuring out what labels even are for is too much like work

02:31:11 asciilifeform: labels aren't arbitrarily tacked on - they're lived.

02:31:14 kuzetsa: cazalla: sorry about earlier throwing a fit about the "I'd hit it" or whatever and trashy something or other (no clue what you even said, it wasn't that bad though)

02:31:28 decimation: you might not be interested in politics, but politics are interested in you...

02:31:42 mircea_popescu: decimation lol

02:32:08 mircea_popescu: kuzetsa you are, yeah, but the prediction attendant would be that you'd never make it here, and yet it's not coming true.

02:32:15 mircea_popescu: obviously social sciences aren't real sciences.

02:32:33 mthreat: isn't economics a social science?

02:32:39 mircea_popescu: indeed.

02:33:37 kuzetsa: mircea_popescu: mostly I'm just already jaded and given up on any sort of quota for how much offensive shit I'm going to be bothered by at any given time... it sometimes takes a bit of effort to "give up and just go with it"

02:33:40 decimation: until someone has developed a deterministic model of the human mind, I don't think social sciences can do any thing more than tell stories

02:34:29 mircea_popescu: kuzetsa another victory for the kyriarchy.

02:34:35 kuzetsa: lulz

02:34:45 kuzetsa: apparently, sure

02:34:56 kuzetsa: I secretly got my libertard stink all over it though

02:35:04 kuzetsa: not even very stealthy, I think some people noticed me doing it :/

02:35:25 mircea_popescu: kyriarchy does not care what you're thinking while taking its unsolicited fat cock, as long as you moan appropriately.

02:35:52 mircea_popescu: kinda what makes it better than oppresive regimes a la usg in the first place.

02:36:40 assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/12VNCE3.txt )

02:36:40 asciilifeform: !b 2

02:36:45 kuzetsa: perhaps

02:36:54 kuzetsa: my problem is not knowing what's appropriate

02:37:59 kuzetsa: I'm far more likely to speak up when I don't understand what's going on or why than I am to "moan" (appropriately or otherwise)

02:38:09 decimation: " From the system's perspective, not only did it still get blown, it liked it even more. In this analogy, the system is the system and you're not."

02:38:30 kuzetsa: oh, that

02:38:52 kuzetsa: decimation: in that case, moirallegiance comes to mind

02:38:58 decimation: http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2012/12/product_review_panasonic_pt_ax.html

02:38:59 assbot: The Last Psychiatrist: Product Review: Panasonic PT AX200U (Hipsters On Food Stamps Part 3)

02:39:08 cazalla: kuzetsa, that's ok, nothing offends me

02:39:08 kuzetsa: I enjoy debate, particularly when it turns into moirallegiance

02:39:35 kuzetsa: ;;ud moirallegiance

02:39:36 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Moirail | Jul 6, 2011 ... Your soul mate in a non-romantic sense. You cannot live without this person; they complete you. They balance you. You would be lost forever ...

02:39:50 kuzetsa: crap

02:39:54 kuzetsa: wrong word

02:39:56 kuzetsa: I suck at fandom

02:40:06 kuzetsa: ;;ud kismesis

02:40:07 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Kismesis | A Kismesis is the term used to describe deep, deep hatred for someone. This is the person that you could, and will likely, hate for all your life, ...

02:40:19 kuzetsa: ^ so hot <3

02:41:21 DreadKnight: are you into stocks, kuzetsa ?

02:41:40 kuzetsa: DreadKnight: I'm more into TA and automating trades than the stocks themselves

02:42:42 DreadKnight: kuzetsa, well, at least they're in the same book; what are you plotting?

02:42:57 kuzetsa: speaking of which, I had been meaning to see if MPEX or any of the others have a decent API

02:43:04 asciilifeform: 'If you want a partial understanding of why 19-21 Saudi/Egyptian terrorists could live in America and enjoy our strip clubs but still want to crumble our architecture, there you go.'

02:43:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19074 @ 0.00079799 = 15.2209 BTC [-] {2}

02:43:17 Duffer1: any of the others?

02:44:20 kuzetsa: odd, is http://polimedia.us/bitcoin/mpex.php not the right address anymore?

02:44:22 assbot: Page not found pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

02:44:35 DreadKnight: mpex.ws

02:44:49 kuzetsa: ah, thanks -- https://twitter.com/mpex1 lies

02:44:50 assbot: MPEx (MPEx1) auf Twitter

02:45:02 decimation: ascii I've been that engineer at the party, and I totally get his point

02:45:20 asciilifeform: decimation: but you aren't there now.

02:45:20 kuzetsa: (that twitter still shows http://polimedia.us/bitcoin/mpex.php as being the relevant site)

02:45:21 assbot: Page not found pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

02:45:48 decimation: true. one must realize that having a great respect for facts does not exclude good ol' human fun

02:46:05 kuzetsa: hmm, is there no REST APIs on mpex?

02:46:18 benkay: <mircea_popescu> i guess this one must be for cazalla http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lnasqguj3m1qlne6uo1_500.jpg // nommm

02:46:34 benkay: kuzetsa: don't you start with what MPEx is missing. it's PERFECT - PERFECT I TELL YOU

02:46:38 decimation: famously the hijackers were staying at a motel in Laurel within sight of the NSA director's office

02:47:24 decimation: kuzetsa, I think you will find that the folks on this channel revile using HTTP for serving up anything other than static pages

02:47:37 kuzetsa: benkay: well my bot only works with REST APIs (json or otherwise) so ... I kinda need APIs to use it sanely --- https://github.com/kuzetsa/gekko/releases

02:47:38 assbot: Releases kuzetsa/gekko GitHub

02:48:22 kuzetsa: decimation: also, HTTP is not the only way of doing REST APIs

02:50:12 kuzetsa: anyway, later everyone -- was nice actually talking today (as opposed to mostly idling) --- I'll bbl or something (though probably not tonight)

02:51:59 DreadKnight: kuzetsa, cute that you have a github account :D

02:52:12 DreadKnight: kuzetsa, bye for now

02:52:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8184 @ 0.00079778 = 6.529 BTC [-] {2}

03:03:20 mircea_popescu: <kuzetsa> my problem is not knowing what's appropriate << generally, if it's offensive it's appropriate.

03:05:46 mircea_popescu: kuzetsa> speaking of which, I had been meaning to see if MPEX or any of the others have a decent API << ahhh all the history one does not know :D

03:06:34 mircea_popescu: <kuzetsa> (that twitter still shows http://polimedia.us/bitcoin/mpex.php as being the relevant site) << twitter is clueless

03:06:36 assbot: Page not found pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

03:11:36 benkay: oh and a side note mpex.co is hardcoded into asset descs mircea_popescu

03:12:04 mircea_popescu: it's coming back dun sweat it.

03:15:12 *: kuzetsa facepalms

03:15:43 kuzetsa: I see, I see... now that I have nick highlighting set up on my client it actually highlights me and makes a flashing screen notification when people mention my nick

03:16:43 kuzetsa: mircea_popescu: thanks though, I never would've noticed that (delayed) reply if you hadn't included my nick in the message.

03:17:09 DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, hah, I like that bani-pentru-piariste article; If it was up to me I would have skipped college, but parents... *sigh*

03:17:39 kuzetsa: offensive is appropriate though... hmm

03:19:05 DreadKnight: I used to have a buddy who's an informatics teacher at a highschool; when I talked in english he usually found that rather offensive and snobbish

03:19:31 DreadKnight: basically he didn't knew english well enough but was afraid to admit it

03:20:17 decimation: what's 'informatics'? computer programming?

03:20:18 DreadKnight: I find it sad when I see people who want to make money from IT but they just don't focus on properly learning english first

03:20:27 kuzetsa: as per quote (generally, if it's offensive it's appropriate) ---> http://picpaste.com/pics/128231838279.1406431149.jpg

03:20:50 kuzetsa: just FYI, warning, that pic is likely meant as an attempt at offending straight men

03:20:54 DreadKnight: decimation, computer science; basically talking about components and crap; most of the time leaving students to spend time on the internet as they wish while he's getting paid anyway

03:21:42 kuzetsa: mircea_popescu: come to think of it, I think it was actually you who originally posted that in a bitcoin channel a couple years ago

03:21:46 DreadKnight: kuzetsa, we need a new plague

03:21:56 decimation: yeah it seems english has become the lingua franca of that kind of work

03:21:58 kuzetsa: DreadKnight: plague?

03:22:42 kuzetsa: who needs a plague... the creatures of earth? how big a plague? global pandemic? regional outbreak?

03:22:56 mircea_popescu: kuzetsa you have any idea how old school that is ?

03:23:07 mircea_popescu: exactly.

03:23:24 kuzetsa: I saw a game I've been meaning to try out which simulates biological attacks on the planet (earth, or some other... don't recall) or something

03:23:25 DreadKnight: decimation, ex-gf bugged me a lot to teach her web design / coding so that she can make a lot of money easily; she fails at english and she's not passionate or smart enough; and people around said I'm against finding a companion and rather set high standards xD

03:23:43 kuzetsa: mircea_popescu: how old school "that" is ... which "that" are you referring to?

03:24:58 DreadKnight: kuzetsa, "we need a new plague" is from "The office" show, it's basically a meme now, google it

03:25:15 kuzetsa: oh

03:25:24 kuzetsa: I've seen the office (both the UK and american variant)

03:25:41 DreadKnight: tried to watch UK one as well, simply stopped.

03:26:00 DreadKnight: don't want to see the exact same jokes by copy cat actors all over again

03:26:39 DreadKnight: and not always very fond of british accent and words

03:27:52 kuzetsa: ah found it --- http://youtu.be/pSat_gLDXPc (it's apparently called "plague, inc.")

03:27:53 assbot: Plague Inc: Evolved Official Launch Trailer - YouTube

03:28:35 DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, did you went to college yourself? it's a bit of a trend now apparently for people in IT set on becoming rich

03:28:55 DreadKnight: kuzetsa, meant google image search

03:29:11 DreadKnight: kuzetsa, guess it's the movie you mentioned

03:29:47 kuzetsa: DreadKnight: movie?

03:29:53 kuzetsa: what movie?

03:30:07 kuzetsa: [23:23:25] <+kuzetsa> I saw a game I've been meaning to try out which simulates biological attacks on the planet (earth, or some other... don't recall) or something

03:30:39 kuzetsa: "plague inc." is a game, not a movie

03:30:51 DreadKnight: yeah yeah

03:31:45 DreadKnight: seems interesting

03:32:10 kuzetsa: that's a trailer for the PC / console version, it was originally a smartphone/tablet app

03:32:28 DreadKnight: most smartphone/tablet games are jokes

03:33:22 kuzetsa: I got a lot of fun out of fruit ninja and angry birds before I was sick of them

03:33:26 DreadKnight: free-to-play applied horribly mostly, other times people trying to make a quick buck with minimum amount of work

03:45:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19550 @ 0.0008023 = 15.685 BTC [+] {3}

03:57:54 benkay: <DreadKnight> don't want to see the exact same jokes by copy cat actors all over again // ahaha wait wasn't the UK one first?

04:02:55 cazalla: kuzetsa, you're going to have to try much harder, that image is ofn and very tame. Choosing which one you would fuck if you had to is still a tough decision though

04:03:57 cazalla: fwiw, i'd fuck B, can look past the cock, can't the physique of the left

04:06:01 DreadKnight: benkay, yes, was afraid it might have been the case;

04:06:28 DreadKnight: kuzetsa, which the office you liked more?

04:06:34 DreadKnight: benkay, seen them both?

04:06:53 benkay: hell no that's not comedy.

04:07:36 DreadKnight: benkay, anyway, "copy cat" as in trying to fill the same shoes, so doesn't matter what order, if you see something else trying to be the same thing, it just feels wrong

04:07:52 DreadKnight: uncanny valley effect, like in games

04:10:43 kuzetsa: DreadKnight: It was so long ago I can barely remember either

04:10:53 kuzetsa: DreadKnight: though I think I like the non-UK office better

04:11:32 kuzetsa: trying to decide if I want to analyze the behavior of Win32/Bropia.G.worm in a sandbox or just nuke it and let someone else do the forensics tonight :(

04:11:44 kuzetsa: I mean... err... I'm retired, I never do anything O_O

04:11:59 DreadKnight: nuke it

04:12:04 DreadKnight: it's a worm

04:12:18 DreadKnight: = virus of some sort

04:12:26 kuzetsa: well yeah, but occasionally they're fun to watch

04:12:50 DreadKnight: go for it if that's your late saturday night type of fun

04:13:45 DreadKnight: hah, just found this https://btcjam.com

04:13:46 assbot: Peer to Peer Bitcoin Lending - BTCJam

04:14:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9700 @ 0.00079981 = 7.7582 BTC [-]

04:17:54 kuzetsa: DreadKnight: yeaaaaah... nuking this worm is too much like work, I shouldn't have been so bold and reckless to begin with, so it's my own damn fault :(

04:18:21 kuzetsa: wiping the sandbox and doing a rollback to a clean snapshot was quicker *sigh*

04:19:22 DreadKnight: kuzetsa, why are you still on windows? xD

04:19:43 DreadKnight: heh, I recall you said a few times you're old

04:20:22 kuzetsa: DreadKnight: nVidia optimus on my craptop doesn't get full functionality on non-windows OS, sadly.

04:21:03 DreadKnight: afaik that does well on linux now, oh well

04:24:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27350 @ 0.00079981 = 21.8748 BTC [-]

04:24:52 kuzetsa: DreadKnight: really? including the ability for the drivers to power down the geforce 540GT mobile when it's not needed? (to save power)

04:26:53 kuzetsa: DreadKnight: any clue if it's nouveau, bumblebee, or some other driver solution? (the one which "does well"... also, which distro(s) have you tested it with?)

04:27:01 DreadKnight: http://askubuntu.com/questions/452556/how-to-set-up-nvidia-optimus-bumblebee-in-14-04

04:27:02 assbot: How to set up nVidia Optimus/Bumblebee in 14.04 - Ask Ubuntu

04:27:08 kuzetsa: oh, ubuntu? uhg :(

04:27:19 DreadKnight: and flavors

04:27:45 DreadKnight: it's not mandatory to use unity DE, you have plenty of options that work better for lower end devices

04:28:00 DreadKnight: ubuntu is just a foundation, you can customize your OS as you wish

04:28:26 DreadKnight: there's driver for nouveau as well afaik

04:28:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24950 @ 0.00079981 = 19.9553 BTC [-]

04:28:56 kuzetsa: DreadKnight: or I could just build my own bumblebee from source (with or without the gentoo ebuild to guide things into a sane, usable state) --> http://gpo.zugaina.org/x11-misc/bumblebee

04:28:56 assbot: Gentoo Portage Overlays - x11-misc/bumblebee

04:30:07 DreadKnight: building from source and gentoo are for nerds; funny to hear that stuff since you're using windoze atm

04:30:23 *: kuzetsa shrugs

04:31:08 DreadKnight: :)

04:31:39 DreadKnight: it's ok to be a nerd, I'm one too, that tries to avoid compiling though

04:32:32 kuzetsa: applying stereotypical assumptions and substituting loose correlations in place of logic

04:33:01 kuzetsa: I often am guilty of that when I talk smack about ubuntu or the userbase

04:35:09 kuzetsa: kinda like what you just did with "you're using windows" argument, but not as cool

04:35:32 DreadKnight: well, you're toying around with worms

04:35:41 kuzetsa: nah

04:35:50 DreadKnight: I often hear windows users complaining about antiviruses, viruses and a lot of other stuff

04:35:56 DreadKnight: like every day

04:35:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00080221 = 8.1023 BTC [+]

04:36:15 DreadKnight: I'm like "switch damn it and stop complaining already" in my mind

04:36:26 DreadKnight: gave up on windows a long time ago because of that kind of crap

04:36:42 benkay: bitcoin's going to fix that for them

04:36:55 kuzetsa: benkay: hmm? what is bitcoin going to fix?

04:37:00 DreadKnight: +

04:37:12 DreadKnight: switching to linux? xD

04:37:21 kuzetsa: no clue what you mean by "switching"

04:37:26 DreadKnight: same

04:37:34 benkay: people using windows.

04:38:05 DreadKnight: how? :P

04:38:06 thestringpuller: i use windows

04:38:08 kuzetsa: I use 3 or more OS per day most days, and rarely less than 2 (and one of them is always my linux box sitting at the local datacenter)

04:38:12 thestringpuller: and bitcoin on windows

04:38:16 thestringpuller: Stop hating benkay

04:38:21 thestringpuller: You're os'ist

04:38:31 DreadKnight: I'm not sure what bitcoin has to do with the OS

04:38:44 DreadKnight: though I'm not very fond of windows

04:39:04 kuzetsa: DreadKnight: I am, windows has a good reputation for being more solid for gaming than linux or mac

04:39:15 thestringpuller: wow

04:39:36 kuzetsa: other than that it's a very small (and constantly shrinking) list of apps which are native windows ones and happen to be part of some workflow or other

04:39:36 thestringpuller: "Bill Gates pushed for DirectX in the 90's now everyone writes for windows when on PC thus windows is better" argument

04:39:51 DreadKnight: kuzetsa, lmao; plenty of linux games, plus linux can also run windows games; that reputation is total FUD, it's based on people believing that and keeping at it

04:40:08 DreadKnight: thestringpuller, ikr

04:40:11 kuzetsa: thestringpuller: driver support too, not just the directx API / abstraction layer

04:40:23 thestringpuller: DreadKnight: it's damn near impossible to run some games on Linux that were for windows.

04:40:36 thestringpuller: that's why Steam OS won't drop until 2015 most likely.

04:40:47 DreadKnight: it's like buying games for nintendo console and wanting to play them on your ps3.

04:40:53 thestringpuller: Yea.

04:41:04 kuzetsa: thestringpuller: also, Steam OS is probably not going to support anonymous, random hardware as well as windows

04:41:09 benkay: DreadKnight: bitcoins will vanish mysteriously from all windows boxes.

04:41:33 DreadKnight: benkay, oh, I sure hope so and it sounds pretty likely to happen

04:41:38 thestringpuller: benkay: that's why you gotta use better TX scripts :P

04:41:49 thestringpuller: i encrypt all my paper wallets with triple GPG

04:41:51 benkay: quit trollin, thestringpuller

04:41:56 DreadKnight: thestringpuller, tell that to the average joe

04:41:57 benkay: you run gpg on windows

04:42:02 *: benkay throws his hands up

04:42:05 benkay: it's futile, i tell ya.

04:42:19 thestringpuller: When someone logs in as me on this channel

04:42:21 DreadKnight: how to I list gpg key id's btw? using shell/terminal

04:42:23 thestringpuller: and uses my gpg key to identify

04:42:29 thestringpuller: then I will call it futile!!!

04:42:45 benkay: you don't wait for your house to catch fire to admit that you built it out of paper and paper burns

04:42:52 benkay: you don't build a fucking house out of paper in the first place

04:42:56 DreadKnight: bacon

04:42:59 thestringpuller: exactly

04:43:01 kuzetsa: bacon is good encryption

04:43:11 thestringpuller: benkay just hates on OS'es

04:43:19 kuzetsa: I think I need to go encrypt a sandwich, brb

04:43:20 benkay: citation required

04:43:29 thestringpuller: I'm going to make a Windows tile for Bitcoin.

04:43:39 DreadKnight: he should, windows sux and all that it's good about it is related to Bill Gates stealing and getting ahead

04:43:42 benkay: i'm going to make a stab-you-through-the-internet for everything

04:44:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 50 @ 0.01170001 = 0.585 BTC [+]

04:44:18 DreadKnight: anyway, no point in having an OS war

04:44:35 DreadKnight: enjoy your windows but stop complaining of constant buthurt

04:45:06 thestringpuller: LOL. I use all OS'es

04:45:10 thestringpuller: like colbert I am color blind

04:45:17 thestringpuller: i just pretend everyone is white and it's all good.

04:45:31 DreadKnight: bringing games as an argument is like you're deliberately trying to play the same few games that just aren't made with other operating systems in mind

04:47:18 DreadKnight: using linux for about 10 years yet I suffered a lot from being addicted to gaming

04:47:35 DreadKnight: and people keep saying "not enough games on linux"

04:47:37 thestringpuller: ergo game consoles

04:47:46 thestringpuller: PC's are for work

04:47:49 DreadKnight: been playing on my linux box

04:47:49 thestringpuller: game consoles are for games

04:48:00 DreadKnight: got ps3 and I don't even touch it for a long time now

04:48:17 kuzetsa: DreadKnight: yeah, mine is collecting dust too

04:48:46 thestringpuller: lol

04:49:23 DreadKnight: a second hand ps3 is probably 100 bucks now, at least around here

04:50:00 DreadKnight: probably with even a few original games as well

04:50:36 DreadKnight: not even worth selling my console

04:51:00 DreadKnight: ok seriously, how do I list gpg key id? xD

04:53:08 DreadKnight: nvm, finally

04:53:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24586 @ 0.00079775 = 19.6135 BTC [-] {2}

04:54:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5540 @ 0.00079672 = 4.4138 BTC [-]

04:54:19 benkay: gpg -K

04:55:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11200 @ 0.00079853 = 8.9435 BTC [+]

04:55:26 DreadKnight: I still don't get what I need

04:55:42 thestringpuller: ;;ident DreadKnight

04:55:42 gribble: Nick 'DreadKnight', with hostmask 'DreadKnight!~DreadKnig@unaffiliated/dreadknight', is identified as user 'DreadKnight', with GPG key id F6A23D326FDF1035, key fingerprint 2011A2ADC029482B2C2A1E9EF6A23D326FDF1035, and bitcoin address None

04:55:54 thestringpuller: isn't that your key?

04:56:02 DreadKnight: alt tabbed back to website and it proceeded, so dunno wtf

04:57:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17100 @ 0.00079661 = 13.622 BTC [-] {2}

04:58:07 benkay: ;;ticker

04:58:08 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 595.44, Best ask: 598.85, Bid-ask spread: 3.41000, Last trade: 596.43, 24 hour volume: 3771.32192653, 24 hour low: 590.0, 24 hour high: 602.83, 24 hour vwap: 595.20749223

04:58:13 benkay: why is it crashing?

05:02:18 thestringpuller: HAHAHAHA

05:02:20 thestringpuller: "crashing"

05:02:58 DreadKnight: dropped a few dollars

05:03:06 DreadKnight: in a few days or so

05:03:40 DreadKnight: seems totally normal

05:11:33 DreadKnight: ;;google search APR

05:11:34 gribble: APR Executive Search, Inc. - Home Page: http://www.aprexec.com/; APR Executive Search, Inc. - Jobs: http://www.aprexec.com/jobs.html; APR Executive Search, Inc. - About Us: http://www.aprexec.com/about.html

05:19:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.16966666 = 1.018 BTC [-] {2}

05:24:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.15999999 = 1.6 BTC [-]

05:24:47 DreadKnight: great, just got banned in #bitcoin for sharing a link :\

05:24:54 benkay: what link?

05:25:09 DreadKnight: <DreadKnight> found a really nice website related to bitcoins, it's about investing or making btc loans, really cool and useful https://btcjam.com/?r=ffa8ab19-de7a-4bdd-83ca-81fcbe9c9a41&utm_source=referral_url&utm_campaign=user_referral

05:25:10 assbot: Peer to Peer Bitcoin Lending - BTCJam

05:25:34 DreadKnight: there goes my excitement for sharing an interesting website

05:27:51 cazalla: interesting that by banning yoy, you won't learn why it's not an interesting website

05:28:03 Namworld: [18:23] <+mircea_popescu> people should be targeted in a dismissive manner. builds character.

05:28:27 benkay: DreadKnight: well, you're doing a referral thing

05:28:32 benkay: and it's a notorious scam

05:28:50 DreadKnight: :D

05:29:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1600 @ 0.00079654 = 1.2745 BTC [-]

05:30:04 Namworld: That, and it's always nice to know what people think. I rarely use any negative language toward anyone, but that's just me. But I'd be the last one to say people shouldn't say this or that to anyone.

05:31:26 DreadKnight: benkay, the website itself doesn't seem to be a scam, but yeah, there are scammers on it for sure

05:31:54 DreadKnight: btc channel is kinda dead anyway

05:38:38 DreadKnight: btcjam basically has the same amount of credibility as any crowd funding website in existence

05:39:03 DreadKnight: because it's about the people using the website

05:41:27 Namworld: What's wrong with windows? I hardly ever get any issue whatsoever. If it gave me any problem, I'd switch. Runs all I need, plus runs games easily. Not like anything critical is going on on that machine.

05:44:20 DreadKnight: Namworld, people constantly complaining about viruses but not switching, that is the problem

05:44:44 DreadKnight: so it's more of a user problem

05:44:49 DreadKnight: n

05:45:35 benkay: DreadKnight: if your platform pushes scams, you're a scammer.

05:45:42 benkay: see: glbse

05:45:58 DreadKnight: benkay, there are scammers and scams on every single platform

05:46:20 DreadKnight: good and evil are two sides of the same coin, you can't have just one

05:46:20 Namworld: If everyone was using Linux, bugs would show up regularly. Although perhaps they'd be fixed more quickly, Linux being open source.

05:47:02 DreadKnight: Namworld, things would be better, more devs and patches, more testing; on windows you can't really patch, just complain

05:48:07 Namworld: Well slightly better.

05:49:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.1699999 = 0.51 BTC [+]

05:50:36 punkman: !up phish

05:50:38 DreadKnight: lol

05:51:02 phish: how can i register for wot?

05:51:12 DreadKnight: gpg key

05:51:22 phish: instructions?

05:51:31 punkman: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/wot_and_reputation

05:51:31 assbot: wot_and_reputation [bitcoin assets wiki]

05:51:34 phish: ty

05:52:03 DreadKnight: http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/GPG_authentication

05:52:05 assbot: GPG authentication - bitcoin-otc wiki

05:52:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 197 @ 0.003 = 0.591 BTC [+] {2}

05:53:33 punkman: megalogs! you guys been busy

05:54:07 punkman: neighbor is blasting liturgical music

05:54:30 DreadKnight: fun.

05:54:33 punkman: I used to hate it but I guess there's worse thing to be woken up by

05:55:24 DreadKnight: I got woken by turkish music and manele yesterday, those make liturgical music sound like masterpieces in comparison

05:58:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21650 @ 0.00079863 = 17.2903 BTC [+] {2}

06:07:04 mthreat: !up jordandotdev

06:25:23 benkay: <DreadKnight> benkay, there are scammers and scams on every single platform // show me a single scam on MPEx.

06:25:54 benkay: this bit lending thing actively goes out of its way to promote itself as a safe place to do lending. it goes above and beyond the call of duty to enable scammers.

06:27:41 DreadKnight: benkay, was expecting you would say that; MPEx is exception

06:29:15 DreadKnight: there are risks in lending, it's a gamble; just like stocks, so that's the whole point

06:31:11 DreadKnight: I bought a hdd from an online store, a romanian ebay clone once and I got scammed as it was old and had bad sectors, was it the website's fault? my fault more likely, but there was a reputation system so I should had been more careful, also the used got banned quickly

06:32:28 DreadKnight: (I bought the hdd from a 3rd party through the website, from the website owners)

06:38:00 benkay: "every" "exception" // get your shit together

06:38:30 benkay: do you really not understand why that link with a referral bit would get you banned in #bitcoin?

06:38:37 benkay: ;;gettrust DreadKnight

06:38:37 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask DreadKnight!~DreadKnig@unaffiliated/dreadknight. Trust relationship from user benkay to user DreadKnight: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=DreadKnight | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=DreadKnight | Rated since: Sun Apr 7 16:22:29 2013

06:38:54 benkay: you don't *look* like you're new around here.

06:39:34 DreadKnight: benkay, they say "NO ADS" in topic, noticed too late; can easily be considered an ad

06:39:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45421 @ 0.00080236 = 36.444 BTC [+] {4}

06:40:59 DreadKnight: benkay, when I said online platforms I meant websites with lots of users that interact with the website; MPEx is not like facebook / fiverr / bitcointalk forum

06:41:23 DreadKnight: allows for very limited interaction

06:43:11 DreadKnight: plus MPEx has some fees to get into :) which not everybody has around to begin with

06:43:59 benkay: yeah, these are generally considered "capital barriers", and improve market quality markedly.

06:44:20 DreadKnight: and dealing with serious resellers only instead of average joe is really awesome

06:44:34 benkay: you don't borrow 50 grand from some rando online. you go to an actual bank.

06:46:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6950 @ 0.00080461 = 5.592 BTC [+]

06:59:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 177 @ 0.00425999 = 0.754 BTC [+]

07:06:09 DreadKnight: benkay, are you a stock holder on MPEx?

07:06:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13736 @ 0.00080355 = 11.0376 BTC [-]

07:10:29 benkay: i've made the odd trade yeah

07:13:43 DreadKnight: recall it from chat log, still not very familiar with the system

07:15:00 benkay: tread carefully

07:16:06 benkay: http://bubblear.com/an-interview-with-argentinas-most-reputable-madame/

07:16:08 assbot: An Interview With Argentina’s Most Reputable Madame | bubblear.com

07:16:44 DreadKnight: I'm more into getting a listing though and learning the related stuff

07:18:04 DreadKnight: argh, bubblebear.com available for 2900$, right...

07:37:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 217 @ 0.00299999 = 0.651 BTC [-]

07:41:14 benkay: what's your timeframe on this listing, DreadKnight ?

07:42:22 DreadKnight: benkay, need to spend a few more days learning about socks / dividends / shares / listing so I can talk the talk properly and write some documentation as well (which is long time due)

07:43:28 benkay: shooting for the end of next week then?

07:43:33 DreadKnight: exactly

07:44:54 benkay: glhf

07:45:24 DreadKnight: :)

07:45:30 DreadKnight: yeah, fun

07:51:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 800 @ 0.00080461 = 0.6437 BTC [+]

07:52:26 benkay: Ran 67 tests containing 157 assertions.

07:52:27 benkay: 0 failures, 0 errors.

07:52:37 benkay: sweet

07:52:42 benkay: ./deploy.sh

07:58:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 149 @ 0.01170001 = 1.7433 BTC [+]

08:01:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 271 @ 0.003 = 0.813 BTC [+]

08:02:16 benkay: we have a kind of people that we call 'niggers'. they aren't black. their uniform is sports clothes and a baseball cap. they introduce themselves by asking "hey friend, got the time?" (seriously, it's almost always like that). if you stop to answer and take your phone out, you've lost. most of the time, you can just say a single "no", or ignore them, and continue walking. this has worked really well for me lately.

08:02:34 benkay: the thing about it is that most of them don't want to start a conflict, they just look for weak people

08:02:47 benkay: // ahaha the good ol' street hustle

08:03:52 benkay: my favorite in NYC was the obviously-too-old-to-be-in-hs-member-of-the-basketball-team "raising money for the team trip to...uh...DC" by selling large candy bars for 20 bucks

08:04:09 benkay: let the man have your hand for a handshake, you've "lost"

08:04:56 benkay: i always got out of it by smiling wryly, wiggling my eyebrows and complimenting them on their hustle

08:05:19 benkay: later i learned to counter with "good hustle, next sucker"

08:05:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1508 @ 0.00300001 = 4.524 BTC [+] {2}

08:07:01 DreadKnight: consider them as teachers :D

08:08:15 benkay: threats basically

08:10:32 dub: "fuck off" works for me

08:10:51 dub: while reaching behind you like you have weapon

08:11:03 DreadKnight: and pull out a hamster

08:14:47 DreadKnight: ;;gettrust benkay

08:14:48 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask benkay!~user@unaffiliated/benkay. Trust relationship from user DreadKnight to user benkay: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=DreadKnight&dest=benkay | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=benkay | Rated since: Sun Mar 10 13:57:45 2013

08:17:03 DreadKnight: benkay, how much you pay for your hosting?

08:17:45 DreadKnight: http://cascadianhacker.com/ Bandwidth Limit Exceeded

08:19:44 benkay: that site's actually offline.

08:19:52 benkay: good try, though.

08:21:50 DreadKnight: heh, time to get some sleep; laters

08:29:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 530 @ 0.003 = 1.59 BTC [-]

08:41:59 mircea_popescu: !up SubWolf

08:42:01 mircea_popescu: !up yrashk

08:42:44 mircea_popescu: !up dxrt

08:46:38 mircea_popescu: DreadKnight:

08:46:39 mircea_popescu: mircea_popescu, did you went to college yourself? it's a bit of a trend now apparently for people in IT set on becoming rich << http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2014#444346

08:46:39 assbot: #bitcoin-assets log

08:52:07 mircea_popescu: DreadKnight: great, just got banned in #bitcoin for sharing a link :\ << because it's neither cool nor useful.

08:53:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15950 @ 0.00080461 = 12.8335 BTC [+]

08:57:02 mircea_popescu: ono benkay's bandnarrows run out!

09:30:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24345 @ 0.00080438 = 19.5826 BTC [-]

09:49:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29818 @ 0.00080355 = 23.9603 BTC [-]

10:03:34 jurov: http://www.feelguide.com/2013/04/29/75-years-in-th-making-harvard-just-released-its-epic-study-on-what-men-require-to-live-a-happy-life/

10:03:38 assbot: 75 Years In The Making: Harvard Just Released Its Epic Study On What Men Need To Live A Happy Life | FEELguide | Film, Music, Design, Science, Style, Psychology, and More

10:04:11 jurov: ^ not sure if srs

10:14:51 jurov: !up Enky

10:31:22 chetty: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B8nhAlfIk3QIODdHYl95d1dWNE0/edit?pli=1

10:31:23 assbot: heuristics.pdf - Google Drive

10:31:52 chetty: II 5. France took Algeria, hoping for a country to eat

10:31:52 chetty: cassoulet and instead France is now eating couscous.

11:03:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10938 @ 0.00080267 = 8.7796 BTC [-]

11:04:00 fluffypony: dat mpoe dump

11:13:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5162 @ 0.00080267 = 4.1434 BTC [-]

11:33:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7900 @ 0.00080206 = 6.3363 BTC [-]

11:43:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26818 @ 0.00080206 = 21.5096 BTC [-]

12:08:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 15 @ 0.1612016 = 2.418 BTC [-] {3}

12:27:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14700 @ 0.00080206 = 11.7903 BTC [-]

12:35:22 penguirker: New blog post: http://devilsadvocate.biz/strange-negotiations/

12:38:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2750 @ 0.00080132 = 2.2036 BTC [-]

12:39:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33150 @ 0.00080091 = 26.5502 BTC [-] {2}

12:47:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41900 @ 0.00079838 = 33.4521 BTC [-]

13:09:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28600 @ 0.00079819 = 22.8282 BTC [-] {3}

13:24:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1550 @ 0.0007992 = 1.2388 BTC [+]

13:27:59 ThickAsThieves: http://wefivekingsblog.blogspot.com/2014/07/here-are-my-official-comments-on-new.html

13:29:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 799 @ 0.00299998 = 2.397 BTC [-]

13:33:00 ThickAsThieves: "Mr. Elliott responded; they even met once IRL (in real life), for dinner, where she says now she recognized immediately a “creepy glint” in his eye but nonetheless continued to have a professional relationship with him for a short time because she was hoping for that poster."

13:33:14 ThickAsThieves: http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2014/07/23/christie-blatchford-the-twitter-trial-of-gregory-elliott-is-becoming-much-like-twitter-itself-shrill-and-uber-sensitive/

13:33:15 assbot: Christie Blatchford: The Twitter trial of Gregory Elliott is becoming much like Twitter itself shrill and uber-sensitive | National Post

13:36:08 chetty: "it very likely represents an overly broad infringement upon free speech. "// nice if a little understated

13:37:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12050 @ 0.0007992 = 9.6304 BTC [+]

13:42:19 ThickAsThieves: new product: Creepy Eye Glint Remover

13:42:53 ThickAsThieves: For charitable graphic designers everywhere!

13:50:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22800 @ 0.0007992 = 18.2218 BTC [+]

13:53:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 198 @ 0.00299998 = 0.594 BTC [-]

13:56:39 artifexd: chetty: I very much enjoyed that heuristics doc. Thank you.

13:56:45 kakobrekla: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=165153.msg8043930#msg8043930

13:56:45 assbot: exchange.bitparking.com

13:56:48 kakobrekla: heh.

13:58:01 *: kakobrekla noticed doublec on non btc irc chans a few weeks ago.

14:01:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40200 @ 0.00079666 = 32.0257 BTC [-] {2}

14:03:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 352 @ 0.00299998 = 1.056 BTC [-]

14:03:30 chetty: <artifexd> chetty: I very much enjoyed that heuristics doc. Thank you.// yeah I am reading a little at atime, much food for thought

14:08:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 57 @ 0.01505 = 0.8579 BTC [-]

14:25:10 ThickAsThieves: http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/07/25/goldman-turns-cautious-on-stocks-bonds-over-next-three-months/

14:25:10 assbot: Goldman Turns Cautious on Stocks, Bonds - MoneyBeat - WSJ

14:25:17 ThickAsThieves: "The call comes after Goldman’s U.S. equity strategy team last week went from bear to bull on U.S. stocks. "

14:34:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24650 @ 0.00079654 = 19.6347 BTC [-]

14:40:29 FabianB: "jurov:it needs another s.dice" <- isn't s.bbet like it, just not as popular, less dividend but less risk?

14:48:17 FabianB: jurov: or by s.dice you mean popular, high risk, high dividend, short lifetime?

14:49:40 HeySteve: gribble stale link bug seems resolved

15:00:11 thestringpuller: FabianB: BitBet can incur a loss if the house bets go sour.

15:04:44 FabianB: short term, yes

15:05:19 FabianB: thestringpuller: but a lot less likely owner disappearing

15:07:34 thestringpuller: I like the way you think FabianB

15:08:03 thestringpuller: Long term the bets will likely always have profit, versus short term which could incur loss.

15:10:14 FabianB: but of course that's only good for investors, not so good for brokers i guess (less hektik trading happening)

15:18:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 189 @ 0.00299935 = 0.5669 BTC [+] {2}

15:19:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12067 @ 0.00079983 = 9.6515 BTC [+]

15:31:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15787 @ 0.00080206 = 12.6621 BTC [+]

15:32:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23343 @ 0.00079802 = 18.6282 BTC [-] {2}

15:33:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1157 @ 0.00079644 = 0.9215 BTC [-]

15:39:35 bitcoinpete: ;;later tell ThickAsThieves i went to school with the carbon copy of the singer in the strange negotations video. if my buddy plays his cards right, that'll be him in 5-10 years

15:39:35 gribble: The operation succeeded.

15:39:58 bitcoinpete: p.s. been watching russia television lately ?

15:42:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 13 @ 0.16499999 = 2.145 BTC [+]

15:43:05 bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: start with warriorforum.com, gfy.com and lessee... bodybuilding.com << creative

15:44:35 bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: i propose a new highschool charter. it teaches kids nothing, but smacks them every time they use "going to" << and "get/got"

15:47:17 FabianB: $depth x.eur

15:47:18 empyex: FabianB: [X.EUR] Bids: 750 @ 0.00221889 500 @ 0.00200000 2000 @ 0.00120000 2000 @ 0.00100000

15:47:19 empyex: FabianB: [X.EUR] Asks: 750 @ 0.00222853

15:47:26 bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: decimation most of humanity lives on less than ten bux a week. << one thing if you have fambly support, another if you're a gweilo, gringo, etc.

15:47:55 jurov: FabianB: 10BTC worth of s.dice would easily pay old coinbr monthly fee of 0.19 BTC from dividends

15:48:13 bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: there's very little doubt in my mind that if i were in the sort of situation most folk over there enjoy, i'd simply be shooting people. << and yet taleb survives in nyc just fine

15:48:21 jurov: 10BTC worth of s.bbet won't pay current monthly fee

15:49:17 bitcoinpete: benkay: can't be arsed with scamwatch << leave that to the professionals ;)

15:50:29 FabianB: ;;ticker --currency eur --last

15:50:30 gribble: 442.128588

15:52:52 FabianB: jurov: doesn't seem to be something out there that attracts masses and is not too risky since jd

16:00:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 651 @ 0.00299998 = 1.953 BTC [+] {2}

16:00:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.68944380 BTC to 12`589 shares, 13420 satoshi per share

16:01:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 15.04184304 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 1308 satoshi per share

16:03:34 jurov: i thought DERPs might be attractive... but it hinges on people putting bitcoins in for indeterminate time,

16:03:45 jurov: while there are neither dividends nor MMing to ensure price follows NAV with some liquidity...

16:05:45 jurov: it will end up like S.NSA - if someone invested 100BTC he now cannot get out more than 13BTC without major loss

16:06:43 FabianB: s.nsa will pay dividends

16:07:22 jurov: eventually. and DERP won't do even that.

16:12:29 jurov: i can buy d.* or f.derp and then wait for months for positive or negative hype to cause someone to buy my shares at better price

16:12:42 jurov: which event may never come

16:13:05 jurov: or it will come but market won't react at all, as usual on mpex

16:13:34 FabianB: maybe it's more like bitbet bets (the derps)

16:14:20 jurov: bitbet has clear closing date

16:15:05 FabianB: set your bet and wait until it's resolved

16:15:34 jurov: and on bitbet, you can always support either side

16:15:35 FabianB: closing yes, but not resolution

16:16:10 jurov: here mp explicitly said "bids/asks availability is not guaranteed"

16:17:19 FabianB: isn't on bbet either, often bets with 0.1 on yes and 10 btc on no

16:20:01 jurov: let's compare http://bitbet.us/bet/778/bitstamp-out-of-business-in-2014/?ref=1EteoRKNYbNhhmFfsKnUSWRF3JUpKCcMnc and D.BSTP directly

16:20:01 assbot: BitBet - Bitstamp out of business in 2014 :: 0.07 B (21%) on Yes, 0.26 B (79%) on No | closing in 4 months 6 days | weight: 46`695 (100`000 to 1)

16:21:05 jurov: on bitbet, if i place 10btc on Yes and advertise the bet, there is a chance someone props up the other side

16:21:27 jurov: and i can always add something to No side

16:22:05 jurov: and the closing date is clear, it is not expected to be any delays there

16:22:54 jurov: with D.BSTP/F.DERP, i can buy more than 10BTC

16:23:04 jurov: but closing date is unknown

16:24:01 jurov: and if situation gets interesting, mp can pull asks, leaving me unable to add something to other side

16:25:42 jurov: plus, like the s.nsa example, it may be impossible to get out

16:25:51 FabianB: so to use derps you need to be more confident about your bet than on bitbet?

16:27:05 jurov: i'm just saying it's much bigger risk than bitbet

16:27:53 FabianB: as for s.nsa or s.bbet i agree it's a little odd that it's not traded more actively, and why ppl mostly buy at IPO and not later

16:29:23 jurov: imo it's easily understandable - why would anyone buy stocks with completely unclear time horizon?

16:29:25 punkman: jurov, but it works if you are a Bitstamp believer

16:29:44 jurov: and risk having bitcoins frozen on mpex?

16:29:54 jurov: for years?

16:30:34 jurov: punkman: find me some bitstamp believers who don't hate mircea

16:30:56 punkman: jurov, that is a problem for all the D series, indeed

16:31:09 jurov: well, anoher factor

16:31:34 thestringpuller: !up Basquiat_

16:34:08 FabianB: jurov: but why buy into s.nsa at IPO then, time horizon was always unknown ?

16:34:25 jurov: believers did

16:34:40 jurov: others wait till nsa ships

16:35:38 thestringpuller: DERPS aren't resistant to volatility.

16:36:02 thestringpuller: if BTC market cap grows (in terms of fiat) DERPS stay the same, and the implicity valuation rises.

16:36:15 FabianB: another interesting point you say is: you think everyone on mpex is trading on the same side; no-one is on the other, sinc e the other side wouldn't use mpex

16:38:08 jurov: i hope not, but...

16:39:53 pigeons: no there is a lot of truth to that

16:40:41 thestringpuller: hence S.DICE bubble

16:40:56 thestringpuller: wasn't the S.DICE buyback lower than the implicit NAV?

16:41:28 pigeons: it was for more than it was trading for.

16:44:33 pigeons: i dont know how you are determining "implicit NAV" the value was based on dividends paid from earnings from bets, which greatly fluctuated

16:45:39 pigeons: the bankroll was not included as an asset for purposes of the share ownership. share ownership only gave you a claim to earnings

16:45:48 pigeons: which sometimes were losses

16:45:51 punkman: even if you don't get the believers to trade, you get them to pass up 2.5x discount and maybe consider that keeping their BTC might be better than giving them to random derps.

16:45:54 pigeons: that you had to make up the next month

16:47:32 fluffypony: so maybe the DERPs would have been better suited to have been run on Havelol by an independent intermediary

16:48:41 pigeons: i imagine they can still run passthroughs if they choose, like they did with DICE

16:49:12 pigeons: so that is a counterpoint, if there was sufficent demand, someone likely would run a passthrough

16:49:26 pigeons: they had really fat commissions on the S.DICE passthroughs

16:52:36 punkman: I'd expect insiders might be keen to buy DERPs when on the verge of IPO

16:53:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 213 @ 0.0038629 = 0.8228 BTC [-] {4}

16:54:36 pigeons: well, the ipo lets them cash out their crap legally, i dont think they would want to jeopardize that, they will make enough of a killing on an ipo

16:55:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 544 @ 0.00290749 = 1.5817 BTC [-] {9}

16:56:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 570 @ 0.00290234 = 1.6543 BTC [-] {6}

16:56:28 jurov: that's the point, i expect f.* to be impossible to liquidate, unless there is a leak or "leak"

16:57:07 pigeons: so far that seems accurate

17:00:48 Basquiat_: only way to properly value s.dice would be dcf

17:02:00 FabianB: $avg

17:02:02 empyex: FabianB: 596.96

17:02:19 FabianB: $t f.mpif

17:02:42 FabianB: $vwap f.mpif

17:05:00 FabianB: $t f.mpif

17:05:03 empyex: FabianB: F.MPIF 1 day: no data 7 day: average: 0.00020681 high: 0.00021513 low: 0.00019 volume: 91618 btc: 18.94754896 30 day: average: 0.00020681 high: 0.00021513 low: 0.00019 volume: 91618 btc: 18.94754896

17:06:49 FabianB: since jd isn't a big part of f.mpif anymore pricing got more difficult and trading volume went down

17:07:28 BingoBoingo: !mpif

17:07:30 assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021707 B (Total: 474.69 B). Delta: -0.59 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00019 BTC [-]

17:12:29 BingoBoingo: <benkay> http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/07/23/3463562/arizonas-execution-botched/ << Saw this. Shame the least expensive ingredient is the one people seem to be skipping.

17:12:30 assbot: Arizona's Execution Attempt Goes Horribly Wrong As Man Remains Alive Nearly 2 Hours After Injection | ThinkProgress

17:16:27 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: this was always a puzzle to me - why don't they simply shoot them ?

17:16:56 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: TO have the pretense of greater civilization

17:17:50 asciilifeform: and if poison is supposed to be 'humane' and this is a thing - there are poisons that knock victim out in seconds

17:18:52 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Right, the traditional three drug cocktail is two for comfort and once those set in a metric fuckton of KCl to rapidly induce electrical heart and brain death

17:19:07 asciilifeform: what happened to, e.g. cyanide ?

17:21:37 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Cynide abandons the pretense of greater civilization by being explicitly a poison. This pretense only holds if it is a medical looking even. Also... cyanide is probably onjectionable to the executioner as it presents a risk to them.

17:22:19 fluffypony: http://www.coindesk.com/46k-spent-mining-hardware-final-reckoning/

17:22:19 assbot: $46k Spent on Bitcoin Mining Hardware: The Final Reckoning

17:23:29 *: asciilifeform vaguely recalls reading a short story on alt.sex.somethingorother years ago, where in 'the dark future (TM)' the condemned are injected with an alien 'fireworm' that eats them alive for weeks at a time. but everyone is told that they were killed quickly and 'humanely' - and somehow this is supposed to be a greater punishment

17:24:57 mircea_popescu: good morning chatty bunch

17:30:38 kakobrekla: heroin od is also uncivilized ?

17:30:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22200 @ 0.00079644 = 17.681 BTC [-]

17:31:51 *: asciilifeform wonders if any american state has tried bumping off convicts with cocaine

17:31:51 ThickAsThieves: <+bitcoinpete> ;;later tell ThickAsThieves i went to school with the carbon copy of the singer in the strange negotations video. if my buddy plays his cards right, that'll be him in 5-10 years /// David Bazan is probably a top 3 artist for me

17:32:43 ThickAsThieves: ;;later tell mike_c audio is done, just printing finals now

17:32:43 gribble: The operation succeeded.

17:33:47 BingoBoingo: <kakobrekla> heroin od is also uncivilized ? << Well, there's the part in there where asphyxiation tends to be the cause of death. Really an aesthetic problem.

17:33:59 bitcoinpete: ThickAsThieves: neat. i'll pass it along :D

17:34:25 HeySteve: hmm, how do they put animals to sleep? that mix seems to work well and is presumably humane

17:35:07 HeySteve: when the vet injected my poor old cat, she went quickly and quietly

17:35:35 BingoBoingo: <HeySteve> hmm, how do they put animals to sleep? that mix seems to work well and is presumably humane << Depends on the animal and its size.

17:35:40 asciilifeform: the one common anthropological thread i see here is that most governments insist on some 'national' symbolic meaning in their chosen means of execution. e.g., the french guillotine across all five 'republics'

17:36:01 asciilifeform: when usa was a techno-power, electric chair was king

17:36:20 asciilifeform: banana republics, soviet world - shooting

17:36:26 HeySteve: asciilifeform, did the Russians have firing squad?

17:36:29 HeySteve: ah right

17:37:12 asciilifeform: HeySteve: traditional civilian execution in russia involves a single bullet (firing squad is seen as 'military', not befitting a common criminal)

17:38:01 HeySteve: ok. I know they shoot people in China, not sure billing the families for the bullet is an urban legend

17:38:13 asciilifeform: china follows the russian tradition

17:39:25 HeySteve: "Stoning remains a legal form of judicial punishment in Iraq, Mauritania, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan, Yemen, Northern Nigeria, Aceh in Indonesia, Brunei, and Pakistan;"

17:39:46 HeySteve: that's a bit rough by comparison to other methods

17:39:58 asciilifeform: so from this it follows that the current ceremony (injection with not-quite-poisons in an elaborate pseudo-medical setting) also symbolizes something about modern usa, re: national character.

17:40:23 chetty: bring back hemlock

17:40:39 HeySteve: death by obamacare

17:42:02 asciilifeform: there are other interestingly perverse aspects of how prisoners are kept in usa prior to execution

17:42:33 asciilifeform: for instance, a squad of jailers watches over the condemned for weeks, months, years - to ensure that he doesn't suicide and cheat the executioner - and the court - of their spectacle

17:42:41 mircea_popescu: omfg i woke up with an article! and you people already wrote another here! I WILL NEVER CATCH UP NAO

17:42:48 asciilifeform: lol

17:42:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1023 @ 0.00290143 = 2.9682 BTC [-] {4}

17:43:32 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> banana republics, soviet world - shooting << that's just nazi wannabe-ism.

17:43:58 mircea_popescu: <HeySteve> ok. I know they shoot people in China << notrly, they have a van arrangement.

17:44:01 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what aspect of 20th c.-style government isn't.

17:44:23 asciilifeform: china << they're experimenting with poison, from purely pragmatic considerations (can sell organs)

17:45:56 mircea_popescu: !up anthor

17:47:52 kakobrekla: !up nagzter

17:47:54 kakobrekla: !up Basquiat_

17:48:40 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla i just tried to put stuff in bash and it said 37 is not correct captcha

17:48:43 mircea_popescu: what am i doing wrong.

17:48:49 mircea_popescu: i tried 35 too just to be sure.

17:49:22 kakobrekla: math expired.

17:52:15 nagzter: kakobrekla: thanks!

17:53:16 mircea_popescu: !s nagzter

17:53:16 assbot: 7 results for 'nagzter' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=nagzter

17:53:41 nagzter: ?

17:53:47 mircea_popescu: trying to recall who you were.

17:53:52 nagzter: I'm not very chatty

17:53:59 nagzter: also sometimes being a girl in IRC...

17:54:05 nagzter: means I skip around

17:54:07 mircea_popescu: what, you're a girl too ?

17:54:11 nagzter: YES!

17:54:17 mircea_popescu: welcome lol.

17:54:24 nagzter: I always assumed the "nag" part gave it away

17:54:36 mircea_popescu: you could just be jewish.

17:54:41 nagzter: well you know how it goes... sometimes a channel swerves to "lol boobs"

17:54:58 nagzter: funny I am heritage wise, my grandfather was 100% Russian Jew

17:54:58 chetty: the womins is taking over, hurrah

17:54:59 mircea_popescu: nagzter that's well taken care of here.

17:55:11 nagzter: chetty: Yay!

17:55:42 mircea_popescu: chetty yeah check that out, the only asshole channel in bitcoin is where all the women are. clearly antontwerpulous is right, everyone else needs to put more trigger warnings and be careful what they say.

17:57:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 263 @ 0.0029 = 0.7627 BTC [-] {2}

17:57:15 chetty: absolutely, no misogynists here pls :)

17:57:25 nagzter: THIS

17:57:39 nagzter: do all the channels have a !s command?

17:58:19 mircea_popescu: nagzter nah.

17:58:57 nagzter: that's slick

17:59:20 chetty: the chan of many talents

17:59:55 nagzter: Cool.

18:00:02 nagzter: So I'm not a coder or a miner.

18:00:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20200 @ 0.00079627 = 16.0847 BTC [-] {2}

18:00:11 nagzter: I kind of collect a bunch of coins and do a little trading

18:00:31 nagzter: I'm an artist and designer and my husband made a coin

18:00:46 nagzter: Now you know what most channels I chat in know ;)

18:02:28 mircea_popescu: cool.

18:02:46 mircea_popescu: nagzter http://fraudsters.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/ << this is where the boobs come from.

18:02:48 assbot: I’ll pay for your tits pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

18:03:12 HeySteve: oh nagzter, I met you in Ancient Beast channel

18:03:20 mircea_popescu: what coin did your husband make ?

18:03:39 nagzter: Yes!

18:03:52 nagzter: I haven't played yet (I do loved turn based games!)

18:04:15 nagzter: mircea_popescu: RobotSexNickels!

18:04:20 nagzter: Totally SFW

18:04:25 nagzter: ;)

18:04:26 mircea_popescu: uh

18:04:31 mircea_popescu: is this like a joke coin ?

18:04:39 nagzter: it's new!

18:04:42 mircea_popescu: lmao

18:04:50 nagzter: It's a little silly, but we're on a couple of exchanges

18:04:59 nagzter: he's working on a "real" coin and needed the practice

18:05:07 nagzter: the graphics are slick if I do say so myself!

18:05:13 mircea_popescu: the official joke coin of b-a is, ofcourse, altcoin.

18:05:30 nagzter: haha

18:05:52 BingoBoingo: %t

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18:05:59 BingoBoingo: %ob

18:06:00 atcbot: 30k@278 31k@275 955@270 | 45k@210 50k@203 100k@202

18:06:00 nagzter: 11:02 mircea_popescu: nagzter http://fraudsters.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/ << this is where the boobs come from.

18:06:01 assbot: I’ll pay for your tits pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

18:06:02 BingoBoingo: %d

18:06:04 atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 687182.56 Est. Next Diff: 575848.03 in 900 blocks (#42336) Est. % Change: -16.20

18:06:08 nagzter: lol

18:06:25 *: DreadKnight waves

18:06:37 nagzter: hey

18:06:45 mircea_popescu: !up the20year1

18:06:51 the20year1: Joys

18:07:00 the20year1: but this whole gpg thing is still frusterating me

18:07:05 mircea_popescu: from what i gather, your problem was that you were using an old, cached and therefore expred otp ?

18:07:09 the20year1: Well, it alongwith bitcointalk

18:07:24 mircea_popescu: use curl. it doesn't cache stupidly.

18:07:26 DreadKnight: nagzter, would be funny if the joke coin would take off and not the "real" one, twitter scenario

18:07:34 the20year1: Well, that was the original problem, nanotube helped me get past that , the problem now lies with /query (pm) to assbot to self-up

18:07:41 nagzter: DreadKnight: it could happen I suppose

18:07:54 nagzter: People do seem to like the silly name

18:08:02 mircea_popescu: uh

18:08:04 nagzter: (and the slick graphics ahem)

18:08:12 mircea_popescu: nagzter what, you made them ?

18:08:24 nagzter: That's what I do!

18:08:33 DreadKnight: in dogecoin channel people got hyped about "bacoin" recently and wanted to make it only to find out someone tried that almost an year ago xD

18:08:36 nagzter: I did custom icons for the wallets and designed the site

18:08:36 mircea_popescu: the20year1 that's so bizarre tho, you must be doing something out there. it literally is just pm assbot.

18:08:42 mircea_popescu: can you get it to respond to any other command in pm ?

18:08:49 nagzter: such a great name, bacoin

18:09:05 DreadKnight: seems that the original guy who tried failed

18:09:28 the20year1: what assbot commands are there?

18:09:34 the20year1: i can do it with gribble justfine

18:09:39 nagzter: http://robotsexnickels.com/ mircea_popescu

18:09:40 assbot: Robot Sex Nickels

18:09:52 nagzter: assbot: is smart!

18:10:09 mircea_popescu: the20year1 try !s hey

18:10:18 DreadKnight: nagzter, definitely go for it with your husband for the other coin if you haven't picked a name xD

18:10:24 nagzter: lol

18:10:24 mircea_popescu: Amazing Assbot

18:10:27 the20year1: assbot: 1900 results for 'hey' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=hey

18:10:28 assbot: 1900 results for 'hey' - #bitcoin-assets search

18:10:36 the20year1: that's what I returned from assbot

18:10:48 mircea_popescu: cool so then do !up once you're id'd with gribble

18:10:58 DreadKnight: it's fun how assb0t sometimes flames people

18:11:07 HeySteve: the20year1, had the same problem yesterday

18:11:08 the20year1: and that's where I was getting that error (the you must be voiced to do this command) or whatever

18:11:11 mircea_popescu: nagzter not bad lookin'.

18:11:12 nagzter: I haven't seen that yet!

18:11:15 nagzter: thanks mircea_popescu

18:11:29 DreadKnight: funny*

18:11:31 mircea_popescu: the20year1 odd. well mebbe kakobrekla finds something.

18:11:35 nagzter: The robot is a blender model, but the rest is mine

18:11:50 HeySteve: hey DreadKnight. I had a thought about the game, would giving the creatures and "summoner" a single manapool work?

18:12:12 the20year1: HeySteve: how did you fix it?

18:13:23 HeySteve: the20year1 I didn't, it just went away today. yesterday I could auth with alt gribble. didn't try restarting browser to wipe any saved data tho

18:13:35 the20year1: alright, i guess i'll try it today

18:13:43 the20year1: because I tried it via pigin IRC and IRCCloud and neither worked

18:13:55 the20year1: now my next question is once you !up yourself, is it only a 30m voice?

18:15:13 DreadKnight: HeySteve, well, no mana as there is no magic; there's plasma to protect Dark Priest (summoner) and also make units (so more / better units = less protection, it's a tradeoff); each unit has it's own energy stat, abilities require energy, there's also meditation to replenish that, but if an unit gets damaged in a round above a treshold (more than endurance stat), then the unit gets no regen it's next turn (regrowth for health and m

18:15:13 DreadKnight: editation for energy)

18:15:22 kakobrekla: bash flushed

18:15:26 the20year1: what game is this?

18:15:39 nagzter: Ancient Beast!

18:16:01 DreadKnight: :D

18:16:27 kakobrekla: <the20year1> now my next question is once you !up yourself, is it only a 30m voice? < when you do it over pm, no, given you are authed.

18:16:41 kakobrekla: nagzter get into the wot?

18:17:24 DreadKnight: didn't seemed time limited to me hmm

18:17:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71550 @ 0.00079829 = 57.1176 BTC [+] {3}

18:18:33 fluffypony: ;;gettrust assbot DreadKnight

18:18:34 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask DreadKnight!~DreadKnig@unaffiliated/dreadknight. Trust relationship from user assbot to user DreadKnight: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=DreadKnight | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=DreadKnight | Rated since: Sun Apr 7 16:22:29 2013

18:18:41 fluffypony: you're in assbot's L2 trust, DreadKnight

18:18:47 fluffypony: so there's no time limit for you

18:18:58 DreadKnight: HeySteve, hopefully that makes sense to you; will show you wip document design next week, hopefully you'll have more questions about things not clear enough

18:19:03 HeySteve: DreadKnight, wasn't aware of that tradeoff, makes sense. that's the kind of mechanic I was suggesting, like you could use a lot of powerful unit abilities or summon a lot of creatures, but not both as a strategy

18:19:29 HeySteve: yeah I didn't get that from testing it

18:19:34 chetty: V 44. The alpha person at a gathering of "high status"

18:19:34 chetty: persons is often, detectably, the waiter.(Taleb)

18:19:45 mircea_popescu: the20year1 tried via webirc ?

18:19:53 mircea_popescu: and no, it's permanent.

18:20:14 DreadKnight: HeySteve, there's setting for limiting number of units; they're pretty big compared to HoMM games anyway; combat field gets more crowded easier, especially in 2vs2

18:20:41 mircea_popescu: chetty oh that guy... he's so dreamy...

18:20:43 DreadKnight: HeySteve, keep in mind higher level units cost way more, there's a cost formula

18:20:45 the20year1: webirc will be the next one i try

18:21:04 kakobrekla: dont change the car when it only needs gas.

18:25:37 DreadKnight: HeySteve, so basically you have the whole moba type of game team under your own management instead of having to rely on random idiots and hope they're doing the right thing;

18:25:45 DreadKnight: HeySteve, squishy units that either do a lot of damage or are meant for support and really tanky units that are meant to protect others and take damage

18:28:05 asciilifeform: 'For social mobility to work, it needs to be a two-way highway, with a large number of pre-rich and an almost as large one of post-rich.' -- from the taleb link

18:28:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17950 @ 0.00080251 = 14.4051 BTC [+] {4}

18:28:47 mircea_popescu: nah, why not make everyone rich

18:28:56 asciilifeform: lol

18:29:53 DreadKnight: some people would get poor in no time anyway, as they originally were

18:30:12 DreadKnight: well, not "some", but most

18:31:07 HeySteve: rich people becoming poor? socialism!

18:31:29 DreadKnight: "rich" seems to be more of a state of mind; kinda like you're saying on your blog "pay up or this could wither and die" on your blog mircea_popescu, even though that's not the case, but I like the lesson you're teaching

18:31:39 asciilifeform: 'Mathematicians think in symbols, physicists in objects, philosophers in concepts, geometers in images, jurists in constructs, logicians in operators, writers in impressions, and idiots in words.'

18:32:32 mircea_popescu: DreadKnight i was being sarcastique

18:32:51 DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, yeah, got that :)

18:33:00 mircea_popescu: and physicists don't think in "objects", what an ignorant thing to say

18:33:05 mircea_popescu: physicists think in wavefunctions.

18:33:07 DreadKnight: haha

18:34:20 DreadKnight: energy, intensity, frequency, amplitude

18:34:22 *: asciilifeform physicists think in wavefunctions << summons zombie of hugh everett

18:34:45 mircea_popescu: no but srsly, "objects" ? what is this, naive physicalism cca 1880 ?

18:34:50 DreadKnight: most physicists actually don't believe in objects and matter, it's all energy or simply nothing

18:34:56 mircea_popescu: ^

18:35:29 DreadKnight: so matter is like frozen energy

18:35:50 asciilifeform: DreadKnight, mircea_popescu: the physics that yields interesting machinery, vs. 20th.c navel gazing, was done by folks who 'thought in objects' more often than not.

18:36:15 mircea_popescu: and i'll venture to say that pretty much all the good philosophers similarly don't think in "concepts", whatever that is, but in a sort of equivalent of the wavefununction, except it has two major irreducible statements. one's systematic the other historical.

18:36:37 mircea_popescu: but any philosopher worth his salt will interact not with a "concept" but with either the graph of that concept's history in the mind of man,

18:36:47 mircea_popescu: or else with the graph of that concept and its relations.

18:37:06 DreadKnight: otherwise he'll have a hard time explaining things to people

18:37:08 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i disagree. see the short cathode tv.

18:37:57 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: minkowski, weyl. 'objects', pre-20th c.

18:38:24 mircea_popescu: the SHORT cathode. you know, the one the japs built.

18:38:28 asciilifeform: yes, with sr

18:39:02 mircea_popescu: i suspek you're just trying an underhanded approach to introduce the supremacy of engineers over theoretical physicitsts :D

18:39:33 mircea_popescu: so let's take the baby home : real programmers think in terms of functions and macros,

18:39:46 mircea_popescu: not in terms of variables and values.

18:40:01 *: asciilifeform sees 20th c. physicists as largely imposters, who 'the good parts - not original, the original parts - not good'

18:40:09 mircea_popescu: (i mean lisp-functions, not int blabla ()-functions)

18:40:25 DreadKnight: Newton's falling apple was likely just a nice story to make people visualize things :P

18:40:27 *: asciilifeform not a cultist of the engineer, but of folks like j.c. maxwell, who knew exactly how to build a radio - and didn't.

18:40:53 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know these impostors knew exactly how to build a cern and did.

18:41:10 asciilifeform: e.g, herr einstein: a junkyard dog, who took credit for the genuinely interesting late 19th. c. work

18:41:23 asciilifeform: cern - navel gazing

18:41:37 mircea_popescu: hm.

18:41:46 mircea_popescu: you dispute it's an actual piece of machinery ?

18:41:51 asciilifeform: it's a machine, sure

18:42:01 mircea_popescu: so then ? you dispute it actually works as described ?

18:42:02 asciilifeform: but makes 'manned space' look useful

18:42:11 mircea_popescu: use is not really a consideration here.

18:42:22 mircea_popescu: bitcoin is, in this exact sense, useless.

18:43:04 asciilifeform: cern, other 'strong force' shenanigans are a good example of 'chinese' scholastiwank. the people involved - entirely uninterested in systematization of knowledge, much less practical use

18:43:08 asciilifeform: stamp collectors.

18:43:40 mircea_popescu: nobody's arguing there's a large number of would-be followers in any race, who to the acute observer look more like they're going through the motions

18:43:47 mircea_popescu: rather than actually doing the winning.

18:43:49 asciilifeform: good litmus test - anyone involved with 'strings'

18:43:55 DreadKnight: bitcoin is theoretically an energy allowing to polymorph sheeps into cars and so on, to facilitate exchanges and needs

18:44:09 mircea_popescu: obviously a large number of people who like to identify as physicists are in the situation of people who like to identify as rockstars.

18:44:24 asciilifeform: the string folks explicitly renounced testability of hypothesis! if that isn't an open declaration of charlatanry, what is ?

18:44:35 mircea_popescu: how is this related ?

18:45:14 asciilifeform: notice how every piece of actual 'practical' machinery we have that makes use of 'modern' physics, the physics in question is 1940s or prior ?

18:45:29 mircea_popescu: you ever took a rmi ?

18:45:36 asciilifeform: this is not, as the particle smashers tell us, an accident.

18:45:48 mircea_popescu: mri*

18:45:55 asciilifeform: nmr -> 1930s

18:45:59 mircea_popescu: eh get out.

18:46:01 asciilifeform: plus 1980s computer.

18:46:03 asciilifeform: seriously

18:46:12 asciilifeform: isodor rabi.

18:46:29 mircea_popescu: well if you go at it that way then everything's ancient greek atomism.

18:47:03 mircea_popescu: for that matter, 1940s is 20th century anyway, and sure, engineers take 50 years or so to apply fundamental physics

18:47:06 asciilifeform: nope. the latter - navel gazing. no testability given their tech.

18:47:08 mircea_popescu: nevertheless, 1940 is not pre-qm.

18:47:09 DreadKnight: theoretical physics might seem to have no application atm, but that's the whole point, debating and eventually (hopefully) allowing to grasp more complex concepts and allow for further technological improvements, like being able to go through worm holes and such

18:47:33 midnightmagic: the physics is not 1940s or prior. i have a friend whose PhD was literally pushing the boundaries of particle physics using results obtained from LHC

18:48:07 mircea_popescu: midnightmagic im kinda saving (radio)astronomy here in a compartment, for later.

18:48:09 midnightmagic: the physics is new, even if it's a negative result

18:48:26 asciilifeform: DreadKnight, midnightmagic: not insisting that the particle hijinx have no possible applications, in a far future. just that these applications will require a resurrection of the caliber of men we had 1800-1900.

18:48:41 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so you mean einstein ?

18:48:48 midnightmagic: "no new more fundamental particles as of X TeV in the LHC"

18:48:49 mircea_popescu: or who exactly, fermi ? pauli ? the germanz ?

18:49:08 DreadKnight: asciilifeform, things are getting more and more complex now, it takes more work and time

18:49:19 DreadKnight: einstein might have been fake, his wife might have been the smart one

18:49:27 asciilifeform: faraday, maxwell, lorentz, etc

18:49:37 mircea_popescu: you're such an old west fetishist :D

18:49:47 DreadKnight: asciilifeform, just like bitcoin mining is increasing in difficulty

18:49:52 midnightmagic: IMO, in a brand-new field, those singular talents can exist. Once the primary breakthroughs are finished, it requires teams and long-term hard work to push it forward. IMHO anyway. me != physicist.

18:49:56 asciilifeform: DreadKnight: things are getting more and more complex now, it takes more work and time << the motto of the 20th c. intellectual impostor class, in a nutshell.

18:50:05 DreadKnight: midnightmagic, exactly

18:50:08 asciilifeform: 'complexity is irreducible now, the only possible kind of man is now the stamp collector'

18:50:20 asciilifeform: 'encyclopaedists can no longer exist'

18:50:29 mircea_popescu: i'm one, what.

18:50:38 midnightmagic: not to say I disagree with anything you guys are saying fundamentally of course

18:50:38 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: so you know it's a lie.

18:50:54 DreadKnight: asciilifeform, steven hawkings might be smart, but he's stuck in a wheel chair, so not much for him to do besides brainstorm :P

18:51:09 asciilifeform: DreadKnight: his intellectual milieu is more crippling than his paralysis

18:51:12 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what i don't know is that ~everyone~ is pushing it.

18:51:23 mircea_popescu: you don't judge physics by what highschool teachers say about it.

18:51:28 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not everyone. just the grant-eaters.

18:51:34 mircea_popescu: who cares about them ?

18:51:47 mircea_popescu: i thot we were discussing teh science not teh politics.

18:51:54 asciilifeform: 100 yrs from now - no one. but they're the ones who get to build machines.

18:52:29 mircea_popescu: wait, your theory is that the 5-6bn spent to build the lhc could have been better employed building what alternative item ?

18:52:48 asciilifeform: false dichotomy. maxwell needed no $b hardware.

18:52:58 mircea_popescu: so then who cares they get to build machines lol.

18:53:00 mircea_popescu: let em.

18:53:10 DreadKnight: things are getting exponentially harder, it's like the needle in the haystack

18:53:11 mircea_popescu: who knows, maybe a golden chicken falls out of it.

18:53:49 asciilifeform: the harm of the mega-machines is not the wasted money, but that nearly every student of physics now believes that the field is inescapably 'about' the machines

18:53:56 asciilifeform: see mircea_popescu's skyscraper example.

18:54:02 DreadKnight: compare making a wagon with space rockets. NASA is dealing with a lot of math, people and money

18:54:35 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform listen, what 99% of a class believes about the field is uninteresting by the definition of the 99%.

18:54:56 mircea_popescu: 99% of students of physics in 1905 believed it's a resolved problem, too.

18:55:20 mircea_popescu: DreadKnight nasa just got cut off the pipe, actually.

18:55:55 DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, I'm glad actually, a NPO like mars one does more interesting stuff

18:57:36 *: asciilifeform was acquainted with one such '1%' - al schwartz. who has an eminently testable hypothesis re: parity violation, and spent a decade (& counting) trying to score 2 weeks on an eotvos rotor balance. while the charlatans build their $b colliders.

18:58:18 *: asciilifeform recently tried to check on herr schwartz - he isn't answering. possibly he went 'full perelman' mode.

18:58:54 DreadKnight: a lot of inventions are promoted thanks to their monetization potential, so if there's demand and it sells, it's a good invention

18:59:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31405 @ 0.00080243 = 25.2003 BTC [-] {2}

18:59:14 DreadKnight: it's all business and some luck; a lot of cool stuff is kept hidden just because it's not for the average joe

19:00:17 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ah i recall that.

19:00:23 DreadKnight: even the PC was close to being dismissed as crap because of lack of vision from the business man taking a look at it

19:01:44 asciilifeform: herr adelberger (http://www.npl.washington.edu/eotwash) << nomination for Flondor List (tm)

19:02:54 mircea_popescu: how much do two weeks on such a rotor even cost ?

19:03:22 asciilifeform: (short version: adelberger tested all variants of crud, including left- and right-handed machine screws (!) and gleefully pronounced - no parity violation. refused under any pretext to test schwartz and petitjean's 'chiralane' molecule.)

19:05:02 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in 2010 i concocted a variant of the test that could be carried out for approx. 50k USD, from scratch. schwartz answered that, in his estimation, the test would work to spec, but results would not be accepted by the field unless carried out on one of the two existing eotvos balances. one - adelberger's, one - chicom.

19:05:13 asciilifeform: adelberger balked. chicoms agreed!

19:05:30 mircea_popescu: so what happened ?

19:05:33 asciilifeform: a few months later, they stopped answering phone. the postdocs who handled the run - desaparecido.

19:05:45 mircea_popescu: this sounds like a great mystery.

19:05:52 asciilifeform: al's hypothesis - the matter entered the jurisdiction of PLA.

19:06:14 mircea_popescu: Pacific Locomotive Association ?

19:06:22 asciilifeform: people's liberation army.

19:06:31 mircea_popescu: Phone Losers of America ? playboy oh.

19:06:35 asciilifeform: loll

19:06:46 mircea_popescu: was this in ireland ?

19:06:53 asciilifeform: china

19:07:08 asciilifeform: 中国人民解放军

19:07:22 decimation: if we don't have a maxwell today, where are our faradays and hertzs and lorentzs and heavisides?

19:07:22 penguirker: New blog post: http://fraudsters.com/2014/discorsi-da-letto/

19:07:24 mircea_popescu: sounds reasonable. any aspiring writers wanna make this into an optionable script ? :D

19:08:03 mircea_popescu: decimation you know they're not our.

19:08:21 mircea_popescu: and they're probably being reasonable men and women, doing finance and real estate.

19:09:01 asciilifeform: obligatory:

19:09:04 asciilifeform: !s greenspun

19:09:04 assbot: 14 results for 'greenspun' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=greenspun

19:09:21 decimation: I guess I'm using "our" for "our time", in as much as anyone can 'own' an epoch

19:09:40 mircea_popescu: kuzetsa if you're still looking btw, there's http://mpex.ws/faq.html#11

19:11:52 DreadKnight: all them poor women, not having clothes xD

19:12:06 mircea_popescu: builds character.

19:12:20 asciilifeform: today we learned that mircea_popescu still owns an electron-smashing tv set...

19:12:35 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i was crashing.

19:12:48 asciilifeform: aha

19:12:53 mircea_popescu: yest took girl to be nude among hundreds of people for the first time in her life,

19:12:56 mircea_popescu: and also canings.

19:15:25 decimation: I miss my trinitron with its shadow-bars; the LCDs that replaced it just don't have the same dynamic range

19:16:16 mircea_popescu: decimation in fairness, cathode was a well mature tech. lcd is adolescent.

19:16:24 DreadKnight: vinyl records vs digital format all over again

19:16:24 mircea_popescu: it'll prolly be pretty damned good by 2040

19:16:31 decimation: also I wonder when someone decided that displays cannot come in 4:3 aspect ratio anymore

19:16:34 *: asciilifeform has been using this: http://imgur.com/9NX7eaX as a tv for some years. works great.

19:16:34 assbot: tv - Imgur

19:16:40 decimation: things are getting better comrades

19:16:41 mircea_popescu: cause to make it look like the cinema screen

19:17:17 DreadKnight: decimation, did a lot of research on aspect ratios, seem a lot of older people really miss 4:3

19:17:22 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform da fuck did you do, behead that guy from startrek ?

19:17:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14650 @ 0.00080361 = 11.7729 BTC [+] {2}

19:17:26 asciilifeform: lol

19:17:30 asciilifeform: it's a 'dlp' gizmo

19:17:42 asciilifeform: cheap & angry.

19:18:00 asciilifeform: vga/dvi in, picture out.

19:18:14 benkay: cooked up a decent one last night: "shartup"

19:18:16 decimation: do you use a screen on the wall or painted white wall?

19:18:23 asciilifeform: decimation: rollup screen.

19:18:44 asciilifeform: 2 metre diagonal.

19:18:52 mircea_popescu: !s shartup

19:18:53 assbot: 0 results for 'shartup' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=shartup

19:19:01 mircea_popescu: hm i coulda sworn i saw it b4

19:19:02 decimation: on an old-school tripod stand?

19:19:09 benkay: !s fartup

19:19:09 assbot: 12 results for 'fartup' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=fartup

19:19:10 asciilifeform: hangs from ceiling

19:19:14 DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, which guy from star trek, the borg? xD

19:19:17 benkay: ;;ud shart

19:19:18 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=shart | shart. a small, unintended defecation that occurs when one relaxes the anal sphincter to fart (blend of "shit" and "fart"). I sharted at the party last night and

19:19:33 DreadKnight: shirt

19:19:35 mircea_popescu: chetty: II 5. France took Algeria, hoping for a country to eat cassoulet and instead France is now eating couscous. << this is what happens when small penis messes with big penis.

19:19:43 mircea_popescu: DreadKnight that engineer guy.

19:20:18 mircea_popescu: benkay ud helpfully neglects to mention it's a gay problem.

19:20:29 benkay: heh

19:20:40 mircea_popescu: hetero scum don't gain the ability to relax their bunghole quite to the degree.

19:20:58 benkay: not even the reamed girls?

19:21:12 mircea_popescu: i was thinking of people, not women.

19:21:19 benkay: hue

19:21:30 mircea_popescu: ahhh epic.

19:21:30 asciilifeform: decimation: if you buy a gizmo like this, get the roll screen, walls aren't nearly as reflective.

19:21:30 benkay: most dick-havers aren't people to be fair

19:21:55 mircea_popescu: benkay i am a calophile. that's one who takes great enjoyment in callousness.

19:22:06 mircea_popescu: (actually it's one who enjoys words formally, but nevertheless)

19:22:18 decimation: asciilifeform yeah I think that's the most economic way to get a big screen

19:22:19 benkay: calluses are gross.

19:22:37 DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, oh, La Forge, the black guy with visor

19:22:39 asciilifeform: decimation: total cost of all the widgets ~= 1k usd, and that was ages ago

19:22:49 mircea_popescu: DreadKnight i didn't notice his skin tone.

19:22:57 mircea_popescu: buncha racists in this chan.

19:23:22 DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, haha, "afro american" or something; star trek maintained a bit of diversity to seem non racist

19:23:41 DreadKnight: forgot the term, native african? hmm

19:23:42 mircea_popescu: and even gave bridge bunnies actual roles.

19:23:50 DreadKnight: yes :3

19:24:40 DreadKnight: haven't seen the star trek with female captain yet though

19:24:45 mircea_popescu: "Here Are My Official Comments on the" dude who the fuck is this guy lol. someone made counterfeit comments on his behalf ?

19:24:54 mircea_popescu: "I am an attorney and Certified Public Accountant with a Master's Degree in Accounting. "

19:24:55 mircea_popescu: derp.

19:25:19 mircea_popescu: READ MY BOOK: "REDEEMING CHRIST" I've decided to serialize and publish on this blog a book that I've been working on for some time

19:25:29 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves where do you find them!

19:25:47 asciilifeform: redeeming christ << like those aluminum cans one can redeem at recycler plant for five cents ?

19:25:58 DreadKnight: I was thinking about it as well xD

19:26:01 benkay: * asciilifeform wonders if any american state has tried bumping off convicts with cocaine // i appreciated this pun

19:26:17 fluffypony: that's the Sean King thing? I quite enjoyed his letter, though, I thought he put things in a way that was nicely digestible to the non-technical types

19:26:19 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well, he's trying to be clever, in the manner of an accountant

19:26:34 mircea_popescu: you see, the direct is "christ the redeemer", so wuldn't it be all edgy and creative to reverse it ?

19:26:54 DreadKnight: drugs are the easiest to get in prisons, most can OD there anytime at will

19:27:40 mircea_popescu: fluffypony the problem with me is that my reader is configured to quickly drop. which will probably warrant the neverending hatred of the asciilifeforms of the future on account of me having skipped who knows what valuable item of some valuable fellow on the grounds that that fellow wasn't either mentally organised enough for my taste or maybe not versed in teh variety speak or who knows.

19:27:52 mircea_popescu: i try to compensate by being a quite public asshole about it, tho. should work.

19:27:58 fluffypony: lol

19:28:33 mircea_popescu: but anyway : i can't get to the letter, because i can't read the "official oppinions" of accountants who wrote a book called redeeming christ.

19:28:36 mircea_popescu: it's just me.

19:28:57 DreadKnight: every time I hear that book title it really craps me up :D

19:29:05 mircea_popescu: you mean cracks ?

19:29:05 DreadKnight: cracks* damn

19:29:16 mircea_popescu: don't get the cocaine and the dumps all bumped up together now

19:29:26 mircea_popescu: benkay ^ for your consideration.

19:29:43 DreadKnight: I'm starting to not get mad about religious people anymore and actually get a laugh or two, finally

19:29:51 mircea_popescu: since no more gf ?

19:31:09 benkay: if your coke has lumps either someone on you has dumped or you yourself is trying to bump

19:31:24 mircea_popescu: http://devilsadvocate.biz/strange-negotiations/ << im starting to like tat's blogging.

19:31:26 assbot: Strange Negotiations

19:31:59 mircea_popescu: benkay that sounded like the sweet singer of michigan if she were emo and trying to fit in with the hip crowd.

19:32:56 mircea_popescu: ( http://fraudsters.com/2010/literara-este-grea/ in case anyone dun know j.a. moore)

19:32:58 assbot: Literara este grea pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

19:35:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1852 @ 0.00285026 = 5.2787 BTC [-] {6}

19:36:35 benkay: <DreadKnight> in dogecoin channel people got hyped about "bacoin" recently and wanted to make it only to find out someone tried that almost an year ago xD

19:36:35 benkay: // bsas? bitcoin-assets?

19:37:23 punkman: bacon?

19:37:28 benkay: oh god

19:37:40 mircea_popescu: :D

19:37:57 assbot: Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/349M1MJ.txt )

19:37:57 mircea_popescu: !b 5

19:38:02 benkay: if these people inhabited a space i would commission nukes and glass them

19:38:23 asciilifeform: bsas? bovine serum albumens ?

19:38:31 mircea_popescu: personally, i blame stand-up "comedians"

19:38:40 mircea_popescu: they keep doing this thing.

19:38:41 benkay: comedy is dead in america.

19:38:51 mircea_popescu: that's how bacon got to be the cancerous forced meme it is.

19:39:15 benkay: well it is covered in activated carbon

19:39:16 mircea_popescu: (amusingly, maddox was harping about beef jerky before teh mainstream picked it up as bacon)

19:41:49 DreadKnight: benkay, are you a vegetarian?

19:41:50 punkman: jerky is so much better than bacon

19:42:06 punkman: fluffypony: next time you come to eu, smuggle some bilton for me

19:42:13 punkman: *biltong

19:42:18 benkay: <mircea_popescu> i suspek you're just trying an underhanded approach to introduce the supremacy of engineers over theoretical physicitsts :D // this needs introduction?

19:42:27 benkay: !s benkay steak

19:42:28 assbot: 9 results for 'benkay steak' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=benkay+steak

19:42:47 benkay: DreadKnight: don't make me google for you too

19:42:57 DreadKnight: benkay, gotcha

19:43:17 mircea_popescu: benkay course.

19:43:20 fluffypony: punkman: I can try, the sniffer dogs are pretty hardcore with that

19:43:33 punkman: fluffypony: where?

19:43:46 mircea_popescu: you recall, i'm the gadfly. i said the boboo about coders too, like finance people, heresies pile one.

19:43:54 asciilifeform: re: dogs: anyone remember baldaev?

19:43:54 HeySteve: hmm biltong for bitcoin, could be the next silk road

19:43:56 fluffypony: punkman: at the airport on the way out

19:43:56 asciilifeform: !s baldaev

19:43:57 assbot: 3 results for 'baldaev' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=baldaev

19:44:09 benkay: well hey finance god tier eh?

19:44:10 mircea_popescu: fluffypony they don't let you take it OUT ?!

19:44:13 asciilifeform: turns out his profession was - police dog trainer & handler.

19:44:16 DreadKnight: !up HeySteve

19:44:23 punkman: mircea_popescu: yeah wat

19:44:27 asciilifeform: he wrote an interesting autobio (afaik, never translated) about his dog work

19:44:39 HeySteve: thx DreadKnight but that's working now

19:44:49 asciilifeform: turns out, he writes, one of the most reliable ways to get bitten by such an animal is to give it the impression of attempting to feed it

19:44:50 DreadKnight: HeySteve, noticed your comment late

19:45:02 benkay: mircea_popescu: i only know the modern scientists, whose sole job is to do worthless "science" on government-allocated capital. which is crimes all over on so many levels.

19:45:06 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: correct - you can't take "raw" meat out the country

19:45:13 asciilifeform: a police dog (at least, ones trained in the russian tradition) will attack if fed by a stranger.

19:45:14 punkman: fluffypony: can you mail it?

19:45:26 fluffypony: punkman: no, but there are some export-approved biltong shops

19:45:32 fluffypony: san giorgios and takis

19:47:05 punkman: heh http://www.sangiorgios.co.za/images/logoblack1.jpg

19:47:23 fluffypony: lol

19:48:10 mircea_popescu: benkay lettuce not confuse the fakers for the job they're faking.

19:48:19 DreadKnight: that reminds me of shops around saying they got natural ice-cream for sale.

19:48:22 benkay: all i know is fakery!

19:48:26 mircea_popescu: just because a buncha muricans pretend to be scientists shouldn't sour one on science,

19:48:35 mircea_popescu: just like their pretend poets shouldn't sour one on poetry.

19:48:38 benkay: point me to some science happening right now

19:48:46 fluffypony: punkman: I'll have to see how well I have to hermetically seal it to take it in my hand luggage, then I'll take a few kgs with me and just run the risk of it getting confiscated

19:48:48 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: a petrified forest is not a forest.

19:48:48 mircea_popescu: i don't have to.

19:48:50 benkay: not claiming it doesn't exist, just that i'm ignorant.

19:49:03 mircea_popescu: ah. well i dunno, i dun follow it much.

19:49:33 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know, between the meta-nsa nd the petrified forest you got a very dissonant thing going. how about the petrified-nsa and the meta-forest ?

19:50:00 *: asciilifeform not convinced of the physical existence of meta-nsa. it's a gedanken-nsa.

19:50:02 mircea_popescu: benkay would you accept the fermat theorem as research ?

19:50:27 punkman: fluffypony, I've only tried imitations made in EU, I imagine the real thing will be even better

19:51:00 mircea_popescu: i mean, obviously valuable scientific research doesn't happen in the govt pen. this is hardly surprising. for that matter, europe has a lrge number of "incubators" for start-ups, even timisoara has one, london thinks it dominates this field

19:51:07 kuzetsa: punkman: pure beef?

19:51:17 mircea_popescu: yet the only bilion dollar eu start-up to date happened outside of all that.

19:51:23 asciilifeform: if 'meta-nsa' exists in the flesh, it's probably an assemblage of one grey-haired officer and his two dozen or so apprentices, embedded deep within the scar tissue of usg and surviving in spite of, rather than due to, the overall management.

19:51:45 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so basically you're saying, "if meta-nsa exists, it's a mirror of b-a"

19:51:53 asciilifeform: more or less.

19:51:57 mircea_popescu: this alone...

19:52:03 mircea_popescu: is worth its weight in bitcoinz.

19:52:06 asciilifeform: lol

19:52:17 punkman: kuzetsa: well yeah, it's a cut of meat, not like processed jerky

19:52:25 asciilifeform: general mosquito must have his general mosquitospray.

19:52:34 fluffypony: punkman: yeah, you can buy the real spices from a bunch of places in the EU, and there are expats that know how to make biltong, but I think the local beef + conditions in the parts of the Western Cape that are home to speciality producers outweigh anything produced overseas

19:52:35 asciilifeform: !s general mosquito

19:52:36 assbot: 0 results for 'general mosquito' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=general+mosquito

19:52:44 asciilifeform: ;;google general mosquito spray

19:52:45 gribble: Reading about the Liberian civil war - are they pulling my leg ...: https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110111133852AArTqht; Sam Bockarie - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Bockarie; Into the Heart of Darkness | American Renaissance: http://www.amren.com/features/2013/03/into-the-heart-of-darkness/

19:52:56 decimation: I wonder if anyone from meta-nsa lurks here?

19:53:05 mircea_popescu: decimation behind 7 proxies ha-ha ?

19:53:15 asciilifeform: 'the man who was thursday'

19:53:57 kuzetsa: [15:09:42] <+mircea_popescu> kuzetsa if you're still looking btw, there's http://mpex.ws/faq.html#11 << the broken link is un-helpful: <a href="http://bitcoin-assets.com/mpex-socket/"socket connection</a>

19:54:15 mircea_popescu: foodz and his merry gang have been doing overtime translating and summarizing fraudsters in teh basements of romania's saas

19:54:26 mircea_popescu: (that country is so mercenary it even does spying as a service)

19:54:31 kuzetsa: https://40.media.tumblr.com/05f223816f861d3837ee8b0517ffe8cb/tumblr_n7082hXKbh1ty9k88o1_500.jpg unrelated

19:54:37 mircea_popescu: kuzetsa s/co/ws/

19:55:10 kuzetsa: mircea_popescu: uhm... so the link should be bitcoin-assets.ws/mpex-socket or what?

19:55:14 asciilifeform: at this point, the polish, latvian, and, yes, romanian, rent-a-rack torture shoppes frequenced by usa are world famous.

19:55:26 mircea_popescu: uh second

19:55:49 asciilifeform: (why usa cannot produce a working rack remains a mystery)

19:56:00 mircea_popescu: kuzetsa ah i think you gotta pay kako for access to that ?

19:56:20 kuzetsa: subscription or one-time?

19:56:29 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why can't it produce a fucking radio set ?

19:56:36 asciilifeform: same reason, certainly.

19:56:37 mircea_popescu: kuzetsa gotta talk to kakobrekla

19:56:42 kuzetsa: hmm :(

19:56:46 decimation: ascii the object of the rack has rights

19:56:57 asciilifeform: perhaps somewhere in the bowels of meta-DHS there works an old soviet specialist who gets results.

19:57:02 DreadKnight: <benkay> if these people inhabited a space i would commission nukes and glass them <-- I hate words with multiple meanings, because they tend to complicate things, so I really hate Apple for having that name, should be illegal imo *sigh*

19:57:12 decimation: radio sets are aplenty for the DoD, for golden toliet prices

19:57:20 mircea_popescu: kuzetsa anyway, i appreciate the girl's shaved and trimmed. clearly she'd make a decent fuck toy.

19:58:23 mircea_popescu: !up gilgames1ugga

19:58:43 punkman: strapless strapons look so uncomfortable

19:58:57 kuzetsa: punkman: they're not

19:59:03 kuzetsa: the strap ones are worse

19:59:06 asciilifeform: wtf is the point of a single-ended 'strapon' anyway

19:59:07 mircea_popescu: punkman thats intended to stimulate the clit

19:59:23 asciilifeform: shouldn't it, in principle, be an 'adapter' a la rs232?

19:59:25 punkman: asciilifeform: it's double-ended

19:59:35 DreadKnight: <kuzetsa> https://40.media.tumblr.com/05f223816f861d3837ee8b0517ffe8cb/tumblr_n7082hXKbh1ty9k88o1_500.jpg unrelated <-- supposedly some nerdy gamer chick from the tattoo and color of skin :3

19:59:46 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it is. there's a lumpy thing lodges inside the vagina and a proby thing going upfront.

19:59:55 mircea_popescu: a better tech solution than the strapon really.

19:59:59 asciilifeform: ahaa

20:00:07 mircea_popescu: took a while for things to switch because the strapon seems so intuitive.

20:00:23 mircea_popescu: but really, this is the correct approach

20:00:25 punkman: isn't the lever inside the vagine painful when in more vigorous use>?

20:00:54 kuzetsa: punkman: not sure what you mean about a lever O_O ... they're designed so the muscles can get a good grip and gspot stim and whatnot

20:01:06 mircea_popescu: punkman you have no idea what the vagina can take.

20:01:17 *: asciilifeform wonders why the gay folks never built a 'f2m' adapter - think strap-on 'fleshlight'...

20:01:17 punkman: I have some idea!

20:01:26 mircea_popescu: ok, some idea :D

20:01:38 mircea_popescu: moreover : nothing is painful to the sexually aroused woman.

20:01:43 kuzetsa: yeah uhm... they're kinda designed for pushing out noisy funny shaped crotchfruit the weight of a bowling ball

20:02:09 mircea_popescu: may be a little sore after.

20:02:28 mircea_popescu: !up Petrodriller_

20:02:49 mircea_popescu: and girl-boy-dildo should totally be a pronsite.

20:03:03 kuzetsa: mircea_popescu: you mean the name for one?

20:03:07 mircea_popescu: yes

20:03:09 kuzetsa: ah

20:03:11 mircea_popescu: !up jumae

20:03:20 punkman: is .dildo a TLD yet?

20:03:33 kuzetsa: come to think of it, I think I saw some pegging porn on my tumblr dash in the past week :)

20:03:57 mircea_popescu: FabianB: jurov: or by s.dice you mean popular, high risk, high dividend, short lifetime? << hopefully wol does the better parts of dice.

20:04:36 mircea_popescu: kuzetsa this dumbing down of terminology offends me! pegging is when fresh cut ginger is applied prior to twenty or more solid cane swats.

20:04:56 kuzetsa: ;;ud pegging

20:04:57 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pegging | pegging. anal sex reveresed. instead of the man sticking his penis up the womans butt, the woman wears a strap-on and sticks it up the mans butt. charles: are ...

20:05:05 mircea_popescu: SCANDAL

20:05:08 kuzetsa: uh huh

20:05:08 punkman: mircea_popescu: that's figging

20:05:23 kuzetsa: punkman: I though figging was generally considered anal ginger play

20:05:25 kuzetsa: ;;ud figging

20:05:26 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=figging | figging. A peeled ginger root, shaped like a slender butt plug, inserted into the anus without lubrication of any kind. The ginger juices cause pain and extreme ...

20:05:29 mircea_popescu: no, figging is when you put bits of fruit in there.

20:06:00 kuzetsa: mircea_popescu: you need more kink in your life, your vocabulary is mismatched to the definitions

20:06:10 mircea_popescu: STOP OPPRESSING ME

20:06:29 kuzetsa: ok, that counts a "close enough" to the safeword **unties**

20:06:59 mircea_popescu: if i happen to have formed a wrong idea it is my god given right as a transcvasimultiultra and so forth to stick to it and nobody can criticize me!

20:07:01 mircea_popescu: !up RooK314

20:07:03 HeySteve: hmm I thought figging was done to horses, to make them run faster in races

20:07:20 mircea_popescu: HeySteve well some people keep fillies for their private entertainment.

20:08:20 kuzetsa: well I tried: "transcvasimultiultra" on bing, and apparently mircea_popescu is a multicultural marketing agent or something

20:08:34 mircea_popescu: i just make up words a lot.

20:08:50 kuzetsa: wait, is bing thinking that's transgender related? I'm so confused now :(

20:08:51 mircea_popescu: !up ryan`c

20:09:15 kuzetsa: I should know better than to trust bing :(

20:10:30 kuzetsa: I wonder if maybe that unrecognized-by-bing type word was part romanian or something?

20:10:32 benkay: mircea_popescu: where'd that gifset come from?

20:10:44 kuzetsa: hmm? figging gifset?

20:10:52 mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: there's very little doubt in my mind that if i were in the sort of situation most folk over there enjoy, i'd simply be shooting people. << and yet taleb survives in nyc just fine << yes, he's not in the sort of situation. he's got teh dough.

20:11:14 mircea_popescu: benkay tumblr, linked earlier IN THE LOGS

20:11:20 punkman: http://emovu.com/

20:11:21 assbot: EmoVu by Eyeris - EmoVu

20:11:42 benkay: the pre-tumblr source, boss.

20:12:01 benkay: <DreadKnight> <benkay> if these people inhabited a space i would commission nukes and glass them <-- I hate words with multiple meanings, because they tend to complicate things, so I really hate Apple for having that name, should be illegal imo *sigh*

20:12:01 benkay: // glass? do you mean google?

20:12:12 benkay: and also DreadKnight ambiguity is good for your brain.

20:12:22 mircea_popescu: FabianB: isn't on bbet either, often bets with 0.1 on yes and 10 btc on no << that's not so often is it ?

20:12:47 mircea_popescu: jurov from what i gather you're looking for a product marketable to the retail investor. that'd likely be mpif. it makes about 1% or so.

20:13:33 mircea_popescu: and has an adequate risk profile. (note that s.dice DID NOT have an adequate risk profile, and the dividends came at considerable capital risk. that the bitcoin retail investor is clueless enough to shove that under the rug makes little difference)

20:15:12 mircea_popescu: jurov: and if situation gets interesting, mp can pull asks, leaving me unable to add something to other side << i shouldn't be the only person in that market. provided anyone gives a shit about the derps themselves or their general market, enough to actually spend the usd they CLAIM to have received in investment, then that market should easily compete with s.mpoe.

20:15:36 mircea_popescu: whether it will or whether it wont fundamentally hinges on whether the vc economy is as relevant for bitcoin as mpoe is. which is a point i can't hardly help i dont think

20:16:26 mircea_popescu: jurov: and risk having bitcoins frozen on mpex? for years? << generally, bitcoin stays frozen somewhere anyway. who cycles bitcoin ?

20:17:26 mircea_popescu: pigeons: no there is a lot of truth to that << there' sa lot of truth to this : there IS NO OTHER SIDE. it's just words on the web.

20:17:41 DreadKnight: benkay, I quoted you, so don't ask me what you meant,lol I just considered you meant to kill them (nuke them) xD

20:17:56 mircea_popescu: i got tons of commends and invitations to discuss and socially groom on the topic of eth. meanwhile, the scammers cycled 5k btc or w/e, at 2k, and i got exactly 0 btc at 5k.

20:18:18 mircea_popescu: now no matter how you dice it, this simply says nobody is doing any buying at all.

20:18:55 DreadKnight: benkay, but yeah, sometimes ambiguity helps making associations and remembering is all about that, plus some brain exercising is not bad, but I thought it's what you had against those people wanting to make a coin called "bacon" or "bacoin"

20:19:02 mircea_popescu: punkman: even if you don't get the believers to trade, you get them to pass up 2.5x discount and maybe consider that keeping their BTC might be better than giving them to random derps. << this is exactly it.

20:19:38 mircea_popescu: glbse idiots didn't move to mpex after i ruined the various "mining" crap. but they DID stop doing it on glbse, and that was that.

20:20:02 DreadKnight: benkay, anyway, associating psychologically something (digital in this case) with food is strange, which I don't like regarding Apple

20:20:31 mircea_popescu: fluffypony: so maybe the DERPs would have been better suited to have been run on Havelol by an independent intermediary << hardly, havelol lists 50% and more directly arbitrageable gaps all the time.

20:20:52 mircea_popescu: basically, if it's not one of the things they misrepresent, it looks like a pig w/o a lipstick.

20:21:31 mircea_popescu: jurov: that's the point, i expect f.* to be impossible to liquidate, unless there is a leak or "leak" << how do you mean ?

20:22:04 punkman: leak of IPO information, and I think he meant d.*

20:22:22 jurov: punkman yes

20:22:42 benkay: DreadKnight: i have no idea where you're getting food. oh - bacon? where's the AAPL connection?

20:23:35 mircea_popescu: jurov punkman i don't follow the logic here. explain to me like i was 5 ?

20:24:12 mircea_popescu: unrelatedly : anyone wanna do some alpha testing of a brand new service ?

20:24:20 mircea_popescu: raise your left toe.

20:24:21 jurov: like i wrote on s.nsa example, no one will put bids till there's some news

20:24:39 mircea_popescu: jurov if you want to sell, why aren't you putting asks up ?

20:24:49 mircea_popescu: the way market works is that if you know what you want to do, you announce it.

20:24:56 mircea_popescu: if yu don't know, then you don't announce.

20:25:03 mircea_popescu: it is sinful to at the same time know and not have announced.

20:25:32 jurov: i have multiple past experiences that one has to wait months for such asks to be sold

20:25:56 mircea_popescu: how low ?

20:26:06 DreadKnight: benkay, bacon is food, apple is food, naming software or hardware after food is somewhat applying psychological manipulation, think about the Pavlov's dog

20:26:12 mircea_popescu: obviously the price and time correlate, i'd think

20:26:59 DreadKnight: benkay, so when you talk about common stuff like food you think about the less known altcoin or hardware company and the other way around, which is evil

20:27:22 jurov: iirc 20% above ipo/long time average price

20:27:26 benkay: the world is full of associations. policing your brain is your own problem, imho.

20:27:53 mircea_popescu: jurov so it'd take months to sell for more than the average ? this is expected no ?

20:28:17 mircea_popescu: but this is a sidepoint anyway, im more interested in the f.* impossible to liquidate thing

20:28:20 benkay: finance must create incentives for long-term investment, otherwise it's not really useful.

20:28:43 DreadKnight: benkay, most people when they hear "apple" get a little more spit in their mouth, it's how psychology works, you have involuntary reflexes which you can't control properly

20:29:10 benkay: DreadKnight: i care zero whits about most people.

20:29:10 DreadKnight: so it's not really my own problem, is something related to our design and the masses

20:29:24 DreadKnight: you are people

20:29:32 kuzetsa: DreadKnight: when I hear "apple" I think of the company and feel a little sick

20:29:41 benkay: jurov et al a huge issue in btc finance right now is the lack of long term plays and the fixation on returns! now!

20:29:48 kuzetsa: then again, I'm not "most peolpe"

20:29:51 benkay: DreadKnight: i am not most people.

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20:30:00 DreadKnight: kuzetsa, me too, it tans the fruit and ties it to hardware and evil

20:30:18 kuzetsa: aww, you got me in a quote? whatever :(

20:30:38 DreadKnight: benkay, that's exactly what most people say xD

20:30:44 mircea_popescu: benkay well he has a serious problem with a bunch of kids that wish to be made rich by bitcoin through nothing more than just that.

20:30:50 mircea_popescu: which... yeah, i can see it'd be a problem.

20:30:50 jurov: i mean, if i wanted to liquidate s.nsa, i'd have to sell for 90% and still wait till it gets filled

20:31:02 jurov: same happened with f.mpif recently

20:31:16 DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, mainly I have a problem with Apple and who allowed it to have that name

20:31:16 benkay: DreadKnight: and yet i'm a baron of la serenissima, and most people are not never will nor ever could.

20:31:30 mircea_popescu: jurov you mean the ~20 btc that sold for 21ish average and the book is pretty much back ?

20:31:43 DreadKnight: benkay, first that I hear that word, guess it's a location xD

20:31:59 mircea_popescu: DreadKnight no, mainly you're turrning yourself into a problem because you keep beating that dead horse discussion while we're talking finance, which is the overriding topic here.

20:32:32 DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, very common names can give companies or product a huge boost regarding making those finances

20:33:41 DreadKnight: there's a lot of psychology in branding, can even make or break the products themselves

20:33:58 mircea_popescu: fluffypony: 46k-spent-mining-hardware-final-reckoning << that'd have been a much better post if it actually included numbers. you know, paid this, then, made back this much so far etc.

20:34:13 mircea_popescu: and i guess if it weren't on coindesk. which two are problly synonymous anywaqy.

20:34:16 benkay: i suppose if they're undifferentiable from other chicom-originating crap, DreadKnight. otherwise, there's value provided that a brand has nothing to do with.

20:34:35 benkay: what's the MPEx brand and how does it make or break MPEx?

20:36:10 DreadKnight: benkay, took my quite a bit to remember that MPEx thing and figure out what part of it names stand for, still not sure about the full name; it's an acronym; anyway, stock related stuff is usually named using acronyms and rather obscure compared to regular brands

20:40:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 210 @ 0.0029 = 0.609 BTC [-]

20:41:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2337 @ 0.00289999 = 6.7773 BTC [-] {2}

20:43:30 DreadKnight: benkay, anyway, was wondering why you said you would nuke those people since you didn't provided an argument; are you against seeing more joke coins or what?

20:45:13 DreadKnight: altcoins are kinda like linux distros nowadays, a lot of people making yet another one for no apparent reason (trying to get rich with not much work), just to change the name and such, hoping they might get lucky

20:46:08 DreadKnight: there are only a few coins that actually bring something new to the table

20:46:31 asciilifeform: DreadKnight: other than (arguably) 'litecoin' - which?

20:49:50 DreadKnight: well, most alt coins change some variables around, just like linux distros change default packages and wallpaper

20:50:41 asciilifeform: right. so which ones bring something new ?

20:51:01 DreadKnight: some try to improve stuff under the hood, but I don't have the technical expertise to figure out if those changes are really improvements

20:52:08 DreadKnight: they're kinda like branches of software, so a bit of experimentation is good to be done in "test areas" rather than on the popular blockchain everybody is using

20:53:29 DreadKnight: it's good to have ltc around, just like there's both gold and silver

20:55:53 DreadKnight: it's not very likely any time soon that all humans will only use a coin, same goes for languages; a lot of people benefit from conversions / exchanges

20:56:41 asciilifeform: DreadKnight: i'd argue that ltc is an experiment ('let's banish asic') that failed.

20:57:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1910 @ 0.00289999 = 5.539 BTC [-]

20:57:37 DreadKnight: asciilifeform, well, after GPU mining was redundant on btc, a lot of people switched to ltc, but pretty much no coin is worth mining with GPU anymore now

20:57:53 DreadKnight: so it was just a matter of time; mining difficulty keeps increasing

20:58:04 benkay: <DreadKnight> some try to improve stuff under the hood, but I don't have the technical expertise to figure out if those changes are really improvements // if the improvement isn't plain as the nose on my kike face it and everyone behind it are going to get glassed

20:58:18 benkay: improvement on the scale of bitcoin over dollars

20:58:20 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ltc is primarily the politician's captive daughter re "we'll ban bitcoin!"

20:59:22 DreadKnight: yeah, in case btc gets banned, you got more fish in the pond; so either ban "digital currencies" but fiat money kinda got converted to digital with credit cards

20:59:31 DreadKnight: and bank accounts

21:00:07 DreadKnight: so banning digital currencies altogether would be hypocritical

21:00:09 mircea_popescu: it's not merely "more fish in the pond". that's the easy part. "more swimming fishes, that are doing fine in spite of a laundry list of <deffects> you may imagine"

21:00:14 punkman: DreadKnigh, fiat was digital much earlier than computers

21:00:18 mircea_popescu: that spells out "you don't matter" in politician english.

21:00:19 xmj_: you know

21:00:33 xmj_: someone banning bitcoin would be the best thing ever, as it's much like a hydra.

21:00:50 DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, yeah good point, but I see ltc as the "next missile in line to fire", just in case

21:00:50 mircea_popescu: xmj_ taleb sed so, AndrewJackson even has it in his part message.

21:01:04 chetty: ban bitcoin? might as well try to ban the internet

21:01:09 xmj_: great minds think alike

21:01:10 xmj_: :)

21:01:14 FabianB: <+mircea_popescu> FabianB: isn't on bbet either, often bets with 0.1 on yes and 10 btc on no << that's not so often is it ? <-- no, just saw a few

21:01:22 DreadKnight: punkman, I'm aware, good point as well :) I guess it's were all the banks and money related problems started appearing... and inflation!

21:01:47 mircea_popescu: FabianB link ?

21:02:02 mircea_popescu: chetty moar like, the moon.

21:03:17 chetty: pass a law, it shall not rain until after sundown

21:03:43 xmj_: chetty: whom would you punish if it did?

21:04:09 asciilifeform: any earnest attempted ban would presumably include all blockchain-based tech

21:04:15 chetty: why everyone who noticed of coure

21:04:46 asciilifeform: (the way usa used to ban drugs by name, but now includes a kind of 'regexp' matcher of chemical structure)

21:05:38 xmj_: there's a way around every law; loopholes are built-in by default anyway.

21:05:39 DreadKnight: hah, there are a lot of re-branded pharmaceutical drugs nowadays, basically the same thing as aspiring or other common stuff, just at way higher prices

21:06:30 dub: remembering the internet does get banned periodically in various locales

21:06:33 chetty: if its against the law to rain before sundown then it cannot happen and if you say it did you are guilty of something

21:06:47 DreadKnight: you don't get to see aspiring ads displayed on tv anyway

21:06:50 dub: and parts of it are permanently banned in many places

21:07:02 dub: there are technical measures they could bring against bitcoin

21:07:38 DreadKnight: I like that btc got mentioned quite a few times in a sci-fi / futuristic show called "Almost Human"

21:07:44 *: asciilifeform wasn't suggesting that bans 'work', but disputing that ltc is any kind of pill against whatever effect a hypothetical ban might have.

21:08:00 xmj_: chetty: like nothing happened on june 4, 1989, in tiananmen square?

21:08:12 asciilifeform: !s tiananmen

21:08:12 assbot: 1 results for 'tiananmen' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=tiananmen

21:08:30 asciilifeform: fail.

21:08:31 DreadKnight: college students had a protest, they were shot by government / military

21:08:48 asciilifeform: DreadKnight: the u.s. state dept.'s version of the events, sure.

21:08:56 chetty: exactly like that, and stalin didnt send anyone to gulags (oh oops actually there wasnt anyone named stalin to do that)

21:08:56 dub: china is not exactly a shining example of freedom

21:09:30 xmj_: dub is missing the point

21:09:34 DreadKnight: asciilifeform, maybe, but at least something got out about the event instead of total darkness

21:09:48 dub: agreed.

21:09:57 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-01-2014#461122

21:09:58 assbot: #bitcoin-assets log

21:10:37 DreadKnight: dub, communism is not freedom; china made own linux distro and imposed it, for a fee, in internet-caffee places and other businesses, kicking microsoft in the nuts and finally taking over

21:11:28 mircea_popescu: <dub> remembering the internet does get banned periodically in various locales << in the sense it's banned in antarctica, sure.

21:12:26 DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, radio waves melting the ice or what? xD

21:12:29 dub: iraq is the most recent example I'm aware of, but pick anywhere the 'arab spring' reared up

21:12:43 dub: egypt for eg

21:12:52 mircea_popescu: i had internet in egypt.

21:13:17 dub: key word 'periodically'

21:13:33 mircea_popescu: there's two conflated points here. you can ban "consumer" grade shit any time. this is fine but irrelevant. bitcoin is not consumer stuff.

21:13:52 mircea_popescu: banning consumer grade shit usually is accomplished through being poor.

21:13:56 mircea_popescu: this is fine for everyone involved.

21:14:16 mircea_popescu: if us bans cotton tomorrow, or oil, or w/e, it'd simply be because it finally became too poor to afford it.

21:14:21 mircea_popescu: like the house of many bans meat.

21:14:23 chetty: much of the world is already way too dependant on internet, heck its even in soda vending machines now

21:14:29 mircea_popescu: they call it vegetarian or w/e the hell, but facts are facts.

21:14:36 asciilifeform: dub: 'springs' are the time-honoured american method for having a country nailgun itself in the head.

21:14:58 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform american really has naught to do with it.

21:15:07 asciilifeform: the american 'spring' will be a sight to behold.

21:15:23 dub: there won't be one

21:15:44 mircea_popescu: dub i'll bet you us population will be under 200mn by 2050.

21:15:58 dub: hey if I had my way it would be under 50

21:16:27 chetty: nah, don forget the migration from the south, they will repopiulate

21:16:52 asciilifeform: ru, eg, sy, ua - got 'sprung.' cn nipped its 'spring' in the bud, which is why we still have the 'middle kingdom' to kick around.

21:17:00 dub: but a spring in the sense of populace uprising, nah

21:17:21 mircea_popescu: dub it won't be identified or self-identify as "populace"

21:17:30 mircea_popescu: nevertheless, the mexican drug cartels already sprung all the way to arizona.

21:17:34 mircea_popescu: this will continue.

21:17:47 asciilifeform: aztlan.

21:18:00 mircea_popescu: there's no particular reason the command center of that continent has to be in the far away east coast.

21:18:01 chetty: I thought they were in Chicago

21:18:10 mircea_popescu: california was and will be happy to continue as a province of mexico city.

21:18:48 mircea_popescu: so you know, the day i can bribe a mexican official to shoot a federal agent for sport...

21:19:08 dub: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrFOb_f7ubw

21:19:08 assbot: Public Enemy - By The Time I Get To Arizona - YouTube

21:19:12 mircea_popescu: it might as well have happened. whatever "the populace" did

21:22:21 decimation: if the power of usg wanes to that degree, I think you will see the power return to the localities/states

21:23:13 HeySteve: orlov has a lot to say about the failure of imperial USA, he's not the only one to predict balkanization

21:23:58 chetty: <mircea_popescu> so you know, the day i can bribe a mexican official to shoot a federal agent for sport...//by then it wont matter

21:24:02 decimation: the USA: "they believed their own propaganda bullshit"

21:24:08 mircea_popescu: decimation here's a thought : if the number of us agents executed was small, you'd see a lot of publicity over the cases. the reason you don't hear a peep about it is that..

21:24:12 mircea_popescu: everyone can have problems.

21:24:31 mircea_popescu: chetty that day is in 2008ish.

21:25:29 decimation: I'm not sure that usg is capable of keeping the deaths of its employees secret

21:25:55 *: asciilifeform pictures the 'black swan' gotcha butthurt when home desktop narcosynthesis makes the whole subject academic.

21:26:02 mircea_popescu: decimation really ?

21:26:41 decimation: someone, somewhere misses the deceased, presumably

21:26:48 mircea_popescu: can you name the people that were butchered in the benghazi pile of lol ?

21:26:54 chetty: decimation, I used to think that, but they dont need to keep secrets, just keep waving flags at more important stuff

21:26:59 mircea_popescu: obviously their mom knows. so what if she does ?

21:27:05 asciilifeform: the people that were butchered in the benghazi pile of lol << is diametric awake?

21:27:38 asciilifeform: i vaguely recall his tale, that one of the casualties was on irc, chronicling his last hours

21:27:43 mircea_popescu: and that was an embassy. not "accidental death" walking down the street.

21:28:20 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform one of the casualties was a major part of something awful (ie, where teh libertard community resides. it's a sort of anti-bitcoin, that thing)

21:28:30 asciilifeform: aha

21:28:31 decimation: I thought he was playing eve online

21:28:43 mircea_popescu: decimation yes, same one. but that's just one.

21:29:30 asciilifeform: if i recall, last words were 'enemy is at the gates. they've opened fire, oh shi....'

21:30:02 mircea_popescu: now, how many people did cia lose there ? "presumably someone misses them"... well... do you ?

21:30:03 mircea_popescu: who does ?

21:30:14 decimation: chetty: there's a difference between the media trumpeting a fact and the fact being hidden

21:30:26 mircea_popescu: what is the practical difference ?

21:30:44 asciilifeform: easy to hide just about any fact from the porcine 'masses'

21:30:57 asciilifeform: just keep it off the front page.

21:31:05 mircea_popescu: but do this, for your own amusement. compile the list of dead us agents in arizona, new mexico, something, during one year.

21:31:08 mircea_popescu: see hwo it reads.

21:31:25 decimation: http://www.cbp.gov/about/in-memoriam/memoriam-those-who-died-line-duty

21:31:53 mircea_popescu: that's the small part.

21:31:57 dub: the good ole' line of dooty

21:32:04 mircea_popescu: you want the prosecutors, you want the FBI, you want the state police, etc.

21:32:15 mircea_popescu: who shoots fucking customs agents.

21:32:19 asciilifeform: now, doesn't it matter whether these corpses became corpses in spite or - or because of - own management?

21:32:20 chetty: even stuff that hits the front page is gone with the next headline

21:32:52 asciilifeform: i.e. were they plugged because they insisted on following the 'letter of the law' re: their duties, with complicity of their own brass

21:33:22 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what matters is relative security. who can prevent whom from messing with their shit.

21:33:43 dub: unrealted: to save a world of goolepain, is teh SR codebase online somewhere?

21:33:44 mircea_popescu: and, perhaps equally importantlky, who cares more.

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21:33:54 decimation: http://www.odmp.org/search/year/2014?ref=sidebar

21:33:55 assbot: Law Enforcement Line of Duty Deaths in 2014

21:33:56 mircea_popescu: dub not afak.

21:34:05 asciilifeform: as i understand, the customs inspectors who understand that certain trucks are not to be fucked with, certain hours they should take a smoke break and look away, etc. - are still alive.

21:34:39 mircea_popescu: FabianB it is possible this is a reflection of the actual odds.

21:34:40 mircea_popescu: or no ?

21:34:48 FabianB: mircea_popescu: sure

21:34:53 mircea_popescu: i mean warren isn;'t getting a nomination for instance.

21:35:25 chetty: doesnt jet get into the primaries count? Warren will be there I bet

21:35:42 mircea_popescu: i think she has to actually be in the race

21:35:47 mircea_popescu: no idea, haven't read the bet.

21:36:14 asciilifeform: the reason why aztlan hypothesis strikes me as weak, is that it is not clear that the mexicans are one-sidedly thrusting unsolicited cock across the border

21:36:28 asciilifeform: on the contrary, there is an eager recipient for the cock

21:37:01 chetty: usg is a whore

21:37:23 decimation: http://www.odmp.org/search?name=&agency=&state=&from=2012&to=2013&cause=Gunfire&filter=all

21:37:23 assbot: Search for a Fallen Officer

21:37:27 mircea_popescu: jurov incidentally, this reminds me : supposedly people plunked down 5k btc to be locked away in an ethereum address for at least six months, if not more

21:37:35 mircea_popescu: from what people have been saying here, they expect it to be a year.

21:37:39 asciilifeform: imagine usa were to ban... toilet paper. who would actually profit from the ban being adequately enforced? no one. from lackluster enforcement at every level? everyone.

21:37:41 decimation: well, according to that site 78 officers were killed by gunfire across the entire US in 2012-2013

21:37:43 mircea_popescu: obviously at this point you're addressing the wrong market :D

21:38:01 asciilifeform: what would become of the folks in uniform who insist on following the 'no tp' order to the letter?

21:38:03 asciilifeform: problems.

21:38:13 decimation: I guess I don't see it, I don't think us gov't agents are dying that often, why bother killing them anyway?

21:38:24 mircea_popescu: decimation you know how many people die in romania in a year ?

21:38:37 mircea_popescu: (by gunfire)

21:38:44 decimation: I suspect fewer per capita

21:38:52 asciilifeform: decimation: folks who won't play ball are killed by own side. sometimes via shepherding into 'enemy' line of fire, sometimes directly.

21:39:00 mircea_popescu: allow me to blow your mind : a degree of magnitude fewer per capita than US agents.

21:39:03 chetty: how about how many bankers, that one is getting interesting. Being a banker is not healthy these days

21:39:03 dub: asciilifeform: there's all kinds of upsides to flooding the us with drugs

21:39:39 mircea_popescu: in short : it's dangerous fucking work, working for the dying empire.

21:39:47 asciilifeform: bankers get nailgunned by their own заградотряд.

21:39:55 mircea_popescu: much, much more dangerous than the empire is to the world at large.

21:39:57 decimation: I don't think the usg hides this stuff either, it just gets pushed into statistics that no one reads. The usg has a compulsion to account for itself (in its own crazy way)

21:40:23 asciilifeform: (russia did not invent заградотряд - rome had it. and whatever rome we get 1000 yrs from now will too)

21:40:27 mircea_popescu: in fact, a us agent has better chances of being shot on the job than someone breaking a us law of being sent to jail.

21:41:10 decimation: well, considering that in practice nearly everything can be construed as illegal in the us, that's probably true

21:41:24 mircea_popescu: well, how's that thought sit with you

21:41:50 DreadKnight: Hollywood makes a lot of movies encouraging death in the line of work; patriotism / heroism / martyr bs propaganda / brainwashing

21:42:01 decimation: it's true that the dying empire thing isn't such a great deal anymore

21:42:22 penguirker: New blog post: http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/07/27/inheritance-and-individuation/

21:42:37 mircea_popescu: kinda the point of posts like the von flondor one. people tend to stop and consider their situation.

21:42:46 asciilifeform: http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/kotsubinsky/12274883/343375/343375_original.jpg

21:43:13 asciilifeform: ^ 'barrier brigade of nkvd preparing to 'support' soviet fighters - with machine gun blast in the back.'

21:43:38 asciilifeform: (re: 'заградотряд')

21:45:13 bitcoinpete: man alive you guys wrote a lot in the time it took me to put that blog post together

21:45:26 FabianB: mircea_popescu: point wasn't that the odds might not be right, it was that it might make no sense to put even more in the 99% side

21:45:27 mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete i had the same problem earlier today

21:45:56 mircea_popescu: FabianB well thatr's only a point if the odds aren't right. if they're right, doubling the 99% side will yield a doubling of the 1% side.

21:46:06 bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: i thought i could do both at the same time but… not even close. sundays are usually lighter

21:46:27 FabianB: mircea_popescu: only if that's more than the fees

21:46:38 mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete sundays aren't what they used to be anymore.

21:46:52 mircea_popescu: FabianB yeah ok, 99% not a good example for sure, yes.

21:47:14 mircea_popescu: but the only two actually over 10 btc bets are also more like 96-97%

21:47:17 bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: yup, going back to sabbath on saturdays

21:47:22 decimation: same thing happened in colorado in 1914 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludlow_Massacre

21:47:22 assbot: Ludlow Massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

21:48:01 mircea_popescu: !up copain_reac

21:48:34 chetty: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-27/runaway-ebola-infected-woman-dies-us-doctor-tests-positive-virus

21:49:15 mircea_popescu: decimation fun fact : the deadliest strike in the history of the us bodycount ~= the claimed le bodycount for 2012, in that source of yours.

21:49:37 mircea_popescu: which to me seems to grossly underestimate facts, but hey.

21:49:54 decimation: well, I was just counting uniformed police + their dogs

21:50:03 mircea_popescu: right.

21:50:06 decimation: if you include the masses the numbers are probably much higher

21:50:07 asciilifeform: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-27/runaway-ebola-infected-woman-dies-us-doctor-tests-positive-virus#comment-5009686 << gold

21:50:16 mircea_popescu: no, that's precisel what i mean.

21:51:00 decimation: http://www.statista.com/statistics/195331/number-of-murders-in-the-us-by-state/

21:51:01 assbot: • U.S. homicide: number of murders by state 2012 | Statistic

21:51:48 mircea_popescu: lol isn't chicago doing 40 a weekend by now ?

21:51:52 asciilifeform: https://sites.google.com/site/bioterrorbible/dead-scientists

21:51:54 assbot: DEAD SCIENTISTS - BioTerrorBible.com

21:53:11 asciilifeform: >> if tired of living, consider becoming a banker or biowarfare specialist.

21:53:24 decimation: or you could volunteer for an ebola clinic

21:53:30 decimation: I wouldn't recommend taking your family

21:54:08 asciilifeform: nah, that's just plain 'professional hazard' - like coal mining.

21:54:21 asciilifeform: vs. fields where the ultimate professional accolade is a silenced bullet

21:54:28 asciilifeform: the 'lead nobel prize'

21:54:32 mircea_popescu: lol

21:54:49 decimation: as moldbug points out, most folks want to be published in the 'grey lady'

21:54:53 decimation: that's one way to do I guess

21:57:34 asciilifeform: grand prize - you get to sew yourself into a sack and drown in bathtub. runner up - bullet. bronze medal - car crash.

21:57:49 mircea_popescu: http://31.media.tumblr.com/4fd12808296bde17c577a0cff94187da/tumblr_mvnrcpiXAa1qlne6uo1_500.jpg

21:58:11 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lol!

21:58:22 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ОМОН

21:58:26 mircea_popescu: hehehe

21:59:44 asciilifeform: incidentally, this scene could very well be the genuine article. post-'90s russian police routinely search fleshwallets.

22:05:16 bitcoinpete: i irlloled when someone dropped "ham wallet" the other day.

22:05:31 bitcoinpete: goddam imagery of that

22:07:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13350 @ 0.00080453 = 10.7405 BTC [+] {2}

22:09:57 bitcoinpete: DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, oh, La Forge, the black guy with visor << he's coming back to tv soon. as the reading rainbow guy!

22:10:05 bitcoinpete: kickstarter and everything lol

22:10:46 bitcoinpete: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/readingrainbow/bring-reading-rainbow-back-for-every-child-everywh <<$5.4 mn. oof

22:10:48 assbot: Bring Reading Rainbow Back for Every Child, Everywhere! by LeVar Burton & Reading Rainbow — Kickstarter

22:11:27 DreadKnight: bitcoinpete, sounds a bit gay hmm, I'm afraid; he showed up a bit in Big Bang Theory, impersonating himself as a washed up actor overall

22:13:38 DreadKnight: oh, project seems for a good cause; seen a lot of other celebrities crowd fund retarded, random or selfish crap

22:15:29 bitcoinpete: DreadKnight: ya i watched the show as a kid. wasn't terrible or scarring. so better than what's on today i guess

22:15:59 DreadKnight: good stuff

22:16:14 DreadKnight: though 5 million dollars for a digital app for reading is kinda too much

22:17:37 bitcoinpete: DreadKnight: $100k to develop, $5.3mn to market

22:18:52 DreadKnight: bitcoinpete, it's still a lot for development, but yeah

22:19:07 DreadKnight: he's a bit full of crap even in the video, people jaw dropping at his sight lmao

22:19:12 dub: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=462370.msg8055753#msg8055753

22:19:12 assbot: [ActiveMining] Official Shareholder Discussion Thread [Moderated]

22:19:21 dub: ahh the forum

22:19:39 dub: 'wahh poopyhead'

22:20:22 DreadKnight: little kids don't even know what star trek is overall

22:20:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8800 @ 0.00080464 = 7.0808 BTC [+]

22:21:29 bitcoinpete: dub: lulz

22:23:16 bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: just because a buncha muricans pretend to be scientists shouldn't sour one on science << but it's so easy to throw out the baby with the bathwater! i've been guilty of this too benkay

22:23:31 DreadKnight: seems "la forge" starred in a kid show, lol

22:27:37 asciilifeform: bitcoinpete: so easy to throw out the baby with the bathwater! << esp. when said water in fact contains no baby, but only some quantity of jizm and menstrually jettisoned eggs

22:28:15 bitcoinpete: asciilifeform: basically need a nanostrainer

22:34:20 bitcoinpete: arighty. logged up and on my way. bon soir!

22:38:19 dub: asciilifeform: worked for many species for a lot longer than we've been upright

22:38:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1911 @ 0.00299981 = 5.7326 BTC [+] {7}

22:57:13 TheNewDeal: !s wolfram

22:57:14 assbot: 18 results for 'wolfram' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=wolfram

23:00:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 232 @ 0.003 = 0.696 BTC [+]

23:13:55 fluffypony: http://i.imgur.com/xXdZDhJ.jpg

23:15:27 DreadKnight: music.

23:27:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 662 @ 0.002913 = 1.9284 BTC [-] {5}

23:47:50 benkay: <chetty> http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-27/runaway-ebola-infected-woman-dies-us-doctor-tests-positive-virus // wowee

23:53:47 benkay: "Funerals were initially a major source of transmission. "Relatives sometimes fall, cry on the dead body, wash the body," says Temba Morris, who runs a government health clinic in a remote village of roughly 3,000 people near the epicenter of the Sierra Leone outbreak."

23:55:48 benkay: ;;later tell bitcoinpete "Fostering a disciplined and inquisitive mind is the greatest gift you can bestow upon your children, which explains why almost no one gets it right." // shit keeps me up at night, man. just last night i was diagramming out a curriculum in natural philosophy.

23:55:49 gribble: The operation succeeded.

23:58:59 thestringpuller: benkay: my mom is a super teacher, so I was kinda just set.