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00:08:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.41 BTC [+]

00:10:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 97 @ 0.002125 = 0.2061 BTC [+]

00:36:22 [8]: does havelock have an actice IRC?

00:36:29 [8]: active*

00:37:34 pankkake: #HavelockInvestments

00:38:38 [8]: pankkake: thanks

00:45:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 16 @ 0.15040133 = 2.4064 BTC [-] {5}

00:49:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.40861633 = 1.2258 BTC [-] {2}

00:50:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 210 @ 0.00369984 = 0.777 BTC [+] {2}

01:07:49 nubbins`: hi

01:21:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.409849 BTC [+]

01:47:38 BingoBoingo: Can anyone spot RealSolid related drama I forgot to include? http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2013/11/26/cycles-repeat-themselves-mcxnow/

01:48:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.0036999 = 0.148 BTC [+]

01:48:48 dub: heh

01:48:52 dub: dude is a fucking retard

01:51:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.38133333 = 1.144 BTC [-] {2}

01:51:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 38 @ 0.00352642 = 0.134 BTC [-] {8}

02:11:57 Kleeck: http://betherave.com/2013/11/sexiest-twerk-choreography-ever/

02:12:00 ozbot: Sexiest Twerk Choreography... Ever?

02:12:30 Diablo-D3: ;;ticker

02:12:31 gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 936.45263, Best ask: 942.0, Bid-ask spread: 5.54737, Last trade: 936.45263, 24 hour volume: 32945.59376249, 24 hour low: 826.123, 24 hour high: 983.99, 24 hour vwap: 904.23405

02:26:06 Diablo-D3: dat high

02:26:08 Diablo-D3: ;;ticker

02:26:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 166 @ 0.00350001 = 0.581 BTC [-] {5}

02:26:10 gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 936.001, Best ask: 939.9999, Bid-ask spread: 3.99890, Last trade: 940.0, 24 hour volume: 33022.71606789, 24 hour low: 826.123, 24 hour high: 983.99, 24 hour vwap: 904.55003

02:33:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [LABCO] 721 @ 0.00017586 = 0.1268 BTC [+] {8}

02:36:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.03658999 = 0.3659 BTC [+]

02:42:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 3 @ 0.034501 = 0.1035 BTC [-] {2}

03:39:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4070 @ 0.00008 = 0.3256 BTC [-] {2}

04:16:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 7 @ 0.03500285 = 0.245 BTC [+] {4}

04:17:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 4 @ 0.035 = 0.14 BTC [-]

04:26:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 152 @ 0.00196399 = 0.2985 BTC [-] {2}

04:29:33 truffles: ;;ticker

04:29:33 gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 964.51001, Best ask: 974.995, Bid-ask spread: 10.48499, Last trade: 964.51001, 24 hour volume: 32131.71552694, 24 hour low: 845.60001, 24 hour high: 983.99, 24 hour vwap: 913.82817

04:30:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 98 @ 0.001964 = 0.1925 BTC [+]

04:50:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 255 @ 0.001964 = 0.5008 BTC [+]

05:04:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6440 @ 0.00080848 = 5.2066 BTC [-]

05:38:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2800 @ 0.000829 = 2.3212 BTC [+]

06:13:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.373275 = 2.9862 BTC [-] {5}

06:15:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 3 @ 0.0904 = 0.2712 BTC [-]

06:27:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 175 @ 0.00350005 = 0.6125 BTC [+] {2}

06:28:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 7 @ 0.0904 = 0.6328 BTC [-]

06:29:27 deadweasel: --;;ticker

06:29:33 deadweasel: ;;ticker

06:29:34 gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 971.1, Best ask: 971.99, Bid-ask spread: 0.89000, Last trade: 971.1, 24 hour volume: 30916.56976100, 24 hour low: 852.65257, 24 hour high: 983.99, 24 hour vwap: 920.05895

06:30:21 Venat: getting closer

06:36:28 BingoBoingo: ;;market sell 195000

06:36:28 gribble: A market order to sell 195000 bitcoins right now would net 37963764.0679 USD and would take the last price down to 3.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 194.6860 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 4.8101 seconds

06:36:28 assbot: 123!

06:37:09 Venat: ;;ud hark

06:37:10 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hark | 1. hark. an exclamation of joy. or anything. hark! i made an a!! mark as ... Hark. A person in a state of drunkardness that results in inconceivably retarded actions.

06:37:10 ozbot: Urban Dictionary: hark

06:52:09 truffles: lol

06:52:56 Venat: sup truff

06:53:09 truffles: nada, u?

06:53:24 Venat: won poker yesterday

06:53:33 truffles: cool

06:53:44 Venat: 35$ that is

06:54:23 truffles: at the casino?

06:55:17 BingoBoingo: I can't help but feel Kasparov is writing about is own loss to Kramnik in this postmortem of Carlsen's victory over Anand http://time100.time.com/2013/11/25/a-new-king-for-a-new-era-in-chess/#ixzz2loi6AQXx

06:55:39 truffles: oh

06:55:52 truffles: chess fanatic ?

06:56:02 BingoBoingo: I follow it casually

06:56:21 truffles: who's ur fav

06:57:19 BingoBoingo: For the drama I'm partial to Fisher during his decline

06:57:41 truffles: cant not love fisher

06:57:58 truffles: what caused his spiral though

06:58:00 BingoBoingo: Fischer was a champion of trolling IRL

06:58:39 truffles: i recall now, its playing in a country US had sanctioned

06:59:12 BingoBoingo: truffles: I'm not sure what caused Fischer's downward turn. Maybe it was a mental health issue. Maybe it was a crafty way to technically never lose the championship by appearing batshit crazy

07:00:15 truffles: im biased so i disgree :D

07:02:57 truffles: it mustve started in the 60's when he found religion..

07:04:25 truffles: forgot about the antisemiticism..

07:09:37 dexX7: TAT_Investments: you're around?

07:16:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 4 @ 0.03303003 = 0.1321 BTC [-] {2}

07:17:03 pankkake: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=348468.0 this stinks

07:17:05 ozbot: [BitFunder] Moving Forward/Resolution Process

07:17:14 pankkake: thankfully I don't have much neobee…

07:17:49 dexX7: that's why i was looking for tat hehe

07:17:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 13 @ 0.03300006 = 0.429 BTC [-] {3}

07:18:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 94 @ 0.00350006 = 0.329 BTC [+]

07:20:31 truffles: didnt they just start up, now they cant pay??

07:20:39 pankkake: bitfunder can't pay

07:20:52 pankkake: but why would neobee do anything to help?

07:21:18 pankkake: first btc bailout? :|

07:22:06 truffles: only 1 yr in biz

07:22:15 truffles: almost 1 yr*

07:22:28 BingoBoingo: Oh, shit! This is looking just like last fall and winter!

07:23:23 BingoBoingo: If the NeoBee guy didn't refer to Ukyo as Jon I'd think he was refering to Oliver/Usagi

07:24:05 mircea_popescu: ouch.

07:24:24 mircea_popescu: if i hadn't told the guy to be careful who he mixes up with, it'd be one thing ;/

07:24:33 truffles: why cant bitfunder pay?

07:25:01 pankkake: general incompetence I guess

07:25:19 truffles: theyve got some nice features etc

07:25:33 pankkake: if by features you mean bugs

07:25:48 truffles: im going off the list here lol

07:25:54 truffles: never used it

07:26:16 BingoBoingo: Last year there was just one GLBSE. This year there was BTC-TC and Buttfunder. The big question is the growth rate of fail exchanges additive and we get to watch 3 die or is it going to be exponential and 4 die?

07:26:44 pankkake: I haven't looked at whac crypto-trade is doing

07:26:53 pankkake: but btcinvest is not going to end well

07:27:46 BingoBoingo: truffles: Bitfunder can't pay because they tried backing a commodity with purchases of this maybe in an attempt to short BTC against fiat? http://www.alibaba.com/product-tp/142517860/Private_Label_Personal_Lubricant.html

07:27:57 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves ^

07:28:13 BingoBoingo: pankkake: btcinvest was TradeFortress so that is already beyond fucked

07:28:17 truffles: personal lubricant heh

07:28:31 BingoBoingo: truffles: Check the minimum order quantity

07:28:34 pankkake: BingoBoingo: hmm no the other one. btcinve.com

07:28:55 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo look on the bright side : the sinking of glbse meant ~5k off the hands of innocent investors btc gone-gone

07:29:18 truffles: 275 nice

07:29:22 mircea_popescu: btctc + weex dissolved maybe 1-2k of actual investors funds, not counting what paper worth of related parties was sunk.

07:29:39 mircea_popescu: there will probably be more than 8 "exchanges" gone in 2014,

07:29:45 mircea_popescu: taking with them maybe 100 btc

07:29:58 mircea_popescu: one's an exponential going up, the other however's an exponential going down.

07:30:09 truffles: why jump to conclusions so fast, its only been a week?

07:30:13 mircea_popescu: by 2020 we will have 10 exchanges fold up each week, for a total loss of fiddy satoshi.

07:30:25 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I find all of these failings beneficial to me. The mere existence of GLBSE and Pirateat40 did how much to artificially suppress BTC against fiat in 2012?

07:31:00 mircea_popescu: who's to know exactly. the guy did get publicly humiliated when he tried to "manipulate" the exchange rate.

07:31:33 dexX7: who?

07:31:50 dexX7: nefario?

07:31:51 mircea_popescu: pirate.

07:31:53 dexX7: ah

07:32:48 mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/353/bitcoin-price-to-rise-above-1000/

07:32:52 ozbot: BitBet - Bitcoin price to rise above $1000

07:32:52 mircea_popescu: i love how this bet went

07:33:00 mircea_popescu: nonononoyesyesyesyes

07:34:52 jurov`: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=348468.0 ThickAsThieves can you confirm this?

07:34:53 ozbot: [BitFunder] Moving Forward/Resolution Process

07:35:03 Diablo-D3: not this shit again

07:35:06 Diablo-D3: Im so glad I got out when I did

07:35:16 jurov`: oh already posted

07:36:20 truffles: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=130117.msg3528426#msg3528426 too funny

07:36:22 ozbot: [BitFunder] Asset Exchange Marketplace + Rewritable Options Trading

07:37:38 mircea_popescu: what's "Rewritable Options Trading" supposed to mean anyway

07:38:57 jurov`: their options were rewritable somehow.. dunno what it means, never actually used them due to exorbitant fees

07:39:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 279 @ 0.00210821 = 0.5882 BTC [-] {2}

07:39:21 truffles: ", start working on the BTC securities trade system of the future without ever having worked for MPEx, without having humbly presented your inept ideas to the most grandiose master Mircea Popescu" such jems

07:41:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.3801 BTC [+]

07:50:17 Venat: does Opera 18 have no turbo mode anymore

08:02:58 pankkake: they renamed it to NSA mode

08:05:20 Venat: pankkake,

08:05:25 Venat: i am watching you on the forums

08:05:39 Venat: http://dailyanimeart.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/eren-will-make-them-pay.png

08:07:10 pankkake: :o

08:09:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 4 @ 0.0904 = 0.3616 BTC [-]

08:11:44 Venat: anyways

08:11:49 Venat: whats up with tradefortress

08:12:02 BingoBoingo: Venat: Seems he is slowly fading away

08:12:30 Venat: well

08:12:47 Venat: is he a scammer now or a victim

08:14:02 BingoBoingo: Venat: You see that is a very Bitcoin problem. Because he can't pay everyone back he is a scammer whether he was actually hacked or if he is simply stealing the coins himself.

08:14:16 BingoBoingo: Venat: He could be both scammer and victim

08:14:25 pankkake: some scammers try to paint themselves as incompetent (labcoin)

08:14:43 pankkake: realsolid, interestingly, is very competent

08:14:53 pankkake: he could probably run successful businesses honestly

08:15:07 Venat: he claimed to have most of the funds in cold storage

08:15:14 Venat: thats the thing that itches me the most

08:15:19 Venat: tho i didnt use inputs.io (gladly)

08:15:22 pankkake: yeah, that's either a lie, or incompetence

08:15:52 pankkake: I did use it for short period of times… but always treated it as something I could lose

08:16:06 pankkake: the link to coinlenders was the most bothering

08:16:09 BingoBoingo: In the most flattering case TradeFortress was a victim of his own hubris keeping that kind of coin on a server

08:16:27 Venat: but what was the benefit of putting your money in input.io

08:16:34 Venat: and wasnt coinlenders something like btcjam?

08:16:38 BingoBoingo: RealSolid doesn't strike me as particularly competent pankkake

08:16:52 pankkake: mcxnow was working very well

08:17:14 mircea_popescu: there is a huge difference between being competent and working well.

08:17:57 mircea_popescu: let me demonstrate this : i am a well working random number generator now. here are some random numbers :

08:17:58 mircea_popescu: 932611793105118548074462379962749567351885752724891227938183011949129833673362440656643086021394946395224737190702179860943702770539217176293176752384674818467669405132000568127145263560

08:18:14 mircea_popescu: i am also very incompetent. here are the "random" numbers : http://www.piday.org/million/

08:18:19 BingoBoingo: I mean real Solid claims to have written McxNow in C++, but that might only be because his only programming experience is forking the Bitcoin client which is in C++

08:19:40 mircea_popescu: Venat it was btcjam with only one borrower (ther owner)

08:19:58 mircea_popescu: so it's the same thing, except rather than guaranteed monthly bleed you get guaranteed ragnarok.

08:20:22 Venat: one big default

08:27:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 227 @ 0.00210899 = 0.4787 BTC [+]

08:27:10 Venat: ;;ticker

08:27:11 gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 969.70504, Best ask: 977.79524, Bid-ask spread: 8.09020, Last trade: 969.70504, 24 hour volume: 30132.87529663, 24 hour low: 856.0, 24 hour high: 983.99, 24 hour vwap: 924.57275

08:28:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 13 @ 0.03300009 = 0.429 BTC [+] {2}

08:30:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 4 @ 0.0904 = 0.3616 BTC [-]

08:54:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2533 @ 0.00082913 = 2.1002 BTC [+] {2}

09:02:52 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2013/it-working-and-you-being-competent/

09:02:52 ozbot: It working and you being competent pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

09:03:01 mircea_popescu: (mentioning BingoBoingo and pankkake )

09:03:51 markedathome: mircea_popescu: shouldn't the bitbet litecoin above 20usd be closed?

09:03:59 mircea_popescu: did it make it ?

09:05:03 markedathome: around 9-10hrs ago, stands at around 20.85 now, hit 22.7999

09:05:11 mircea_popescu: a ok. so leave a comment there with a link

09:05:20 mircea_popescu: i'm sure mods will close it as soon as they get to it.

09:06:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.37111 = 0.7422 BTC [-]

09:07:25 BingoBoingo: Nicely put mircea_popescu, I wonder how many times the US (and apparently nao French) educational system's products are going to have you essentially repeat it again until the Republic of Bitcoin replaces them

09:07:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.37111 BTC [-]

09:07:52 pankkake: I left a comment but it doesn't appear

09:07:54 mircea_popescu: i r hoping to just link

09:08:22 mircea_popescu: pankkake hmm i don't see it, but i just futzed with the comment thing

09:08:25 mircea_popescu: mind leaving it again ?

09:08:55 pankkake: that's why I asked :) something weird happened

09:08:57 pankkake: "Duplicate comment detected; it looks as though you've already said that!"

09:09:21 pankkake: "Sorry, we only accept comments sent by actual human beings." when I alter it

09:10:01 mircea_popescu: wow.

09:10:03 mircea_popescu: 1 sec

09:10:46 Venat: I never get mentioned

09:11:07 pankkake: Venat: it's actually quite easy, just stay stupid stuff all day

09:11:14 pankkake: at least that's my method

09:11:42 Venat: like this guy:https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=347637.0

09:11:45 pankkake: though the SSW article doesn't mention me

09:11:47 Venat: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=347637.0

09:11:49 ozbot: Can anyone donate me 50 - 60 Bitcoins?

09:11:51 Venat: sorry for double post

09:11:53 mircea_popescu: pankkake try again please ?

09:11:54 Venat: sorry for double post

09:12:10 mircea_popescu: alter it slightly, and wait like 5 seconds on the page before clicking submit

09:12:12 pankkake: still not working

09:12:18 pankkake: oh

09:12:27 mircea_popescu: (if you post too soon the script figures hi there spambot)

09:12:57 pankkake: when I used Spam Karma it had that feature. but spambots learned. at least the good ones

09:13:08 pankkake: it werked!

09:13:09 mircea_popescu: i actually have a housebrew

09:13:11 Venat: I will try to contrain myself then.

09:13:19 pankkake: well I got no error

09:13:22 pankkake: but comment doesn't show

09:13:52 mircea_popescu: it does nao

09:13:57 mircea_popescu: this still needs soem working.

09:14:09 pankkake: Venat: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=308405.0 and then there's this guy

09:14:54 Venat: Yakuza699. I lolled

09:14:57 mircea_popescu: pankkake pls to make a test comment ?

09:15:46 pankkake: made it

09:15:52 pankkake: still doesn't show

09:16:09 pankkake: usually when it's waiting for moderation, wp shows it to you anyway

09:18:35 mircea_popescu: you get sent to spam

09:18:50 mircea_popescu: person that broke it is nao trying to see wtf.

09:18:59 pankkake: by the way this works great as a first defense http://web-profile.com.ua/wordpress/plugins/anti-spam/

09:21:35 mircea_popescu: pankkake mind trying yet again ?

09:22:49 pankkake: still not werking

09:22:54 mircea_popescu: holy shit

09:23:17 pankkake: perhaps when you get to spam once you always get into it

09:27:35 mircea_popescu: well yeah because a test email went in fine.

09:28:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.39 BTC [+]

09:28:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00210899 = 0.2109 BTC [+]

09:29:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3400 @ 0.00008879 = 0.3019 BTC [+]

09:29:45 pankkake: subscribers should probably not even be in the spam filter

09:30:31 pankkake: yeah, tried same IP, but another mail, and it shows me the comment

09:32:23 mircea_popescu: yeah.

09:32:28 mircea_popescu: butts ?

09:32:33 pankkake: yes

09:42:44 Venat: ;;seen ukyo

09:42:44 gribble: ukyo was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 weeks, 4 days, 13 hours, 13 minutes, and 57 seconds ago: <Ukyo> mgio: pm

09:46:39 Venat: http://pastebin.com/VnYL63dr in a related note

09:46:39 ozbot: The Unofficial Q&A - Pastebin.com

10:01:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.398 BTC [+]

10:03:40 pankkake: I fail to see any actual info

10:06:28 ThickAsThieves: I think the info squeezed out so far is because Ukyo reall thought the "real" announcement would be ready yesterday, but there are details that need more time to sort. I prefer whole, complete announcements, but I'm guessing Ukyo couldn't go longer without *something* being shared.

10:08:43 ThickAsThieves: Don't bother asking me any substantive questions about it that aren't already answered. Like I said, I want the whole thing to be clearly announced, to shareholders first, when ready.

10:12:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.121 BTC [+]

10:36:16 mircea_popescu: pankkake should be fixed. pls to check.

10:36:55 pankkake: yes!

10:37:32 mircea_popescu: so the way it works : any user can link to fraudsters articles without impediment.

10:37:50 mircea_popescu: outside links put whitelisted users into approve queue, and unwhitelisted users into spam queue.

10:38:22 mircea_popescu: otherwise whitelisted users go to published directly ; unwhitelisted users go into approve queue.

10:38:51 mircea_popescu: whitelisted = having had a comment approved.

10:40:05 mircea_popescu: in other news,

10:40:05 mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=343150.msg3734211#msg3734211

10:40:07 ozbot: BitBet Scammed me for 10 BTC (properly formatted)

10:50:35 mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/623/litecoin-ltc-to-rise-above-20usd-each-before/ now closed markedathome

10:50:37 ozbot: BitBet - Litecoin (LTC) to rise above 20USD each before Dec 25th

10:50:45 mircea_popescu: incredible bet of 18 hours jeez.

10:51:09 markedathome: thanks - do you know

10:53:05 mircea_popescu: the comments there are pretty lol.

10:54:33 pankkake: and people who send after the fact, yet again!

10:54:37 markedathome: I am slightly confused, does the bet start from the issue of the address or when a bet is confirmed on the blockchain

10:54:52 pankkake: first confirm

10:55:41 mircea_popescu: pankkake yup.

10:56:06 markedathome: I was one of the refunded bets, I hadn't noticed it had gone over because I was banging my head having to export and reimport keys and get updated balances. At least I haven't lost it

10:56:49 mircea_popescu: next time send without fee.

10:57:31 markedathome: it was to do with not having used electrum for a long time, the wallet was out of sync.

10:57:46 pankkake: I thought Electrum didn't need to sync?

10:57:48 markedathome: and because of the pruning it was a complete pain

10:59:13 markedathome: it doesn't but I kept syncing with a <10,000 servers which is only 70 days of tx

11:00:13 markedathome: not to mention the wallet is a glorified single stream. FFS who uses json as a database storage mechanism on disk when wallets get above 10-20MB

11:01:42 ThickAsThieves: http://www.theverge.com/2013/11/27/5150734/nsa-spied-on-online-sexual-activity-of-6-muslim-radicalizers

11:01:42 ozbot: NSA spied on porn habits of Muslim 'radicalizers' in effort to discredit them | The Verge

11:01:50 ThickAsThieves: ' "DROPPING THE TRUTH" ON SUSPECTS IS MORE HUMANE THAN DROPPING A BOMB '

11:02:03 ThickAsThieves: sorry caps is from quote

11:02:48 markedathome: about as good as david cameron's "well you will have an embarassing conversation with your wife"

11:04:03 ThickAsThieves: a threat worth treason

11:04:35 pankkake: no details about what the porn was? :(

11:04:47 pankkake: btw: http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/7342808/me-and-maos-girl/

11:05:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 16434 @ 0.00008846 = 1.4538 BTC [+] {2}

11:06:09 mircea_popescu: soo, anyone here doing a lot of ltc stuff ?

11:06:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00203499 = 0.2035 BTC [-]

11:07:27 ThickAsThieves: talk to Kate

11:07:37 ThickAsThieves: :)

11:08:22 markedathome: mircea_popescu: I have my raspberry pi mining and earning 0.00027ltc a day, it was 0.0002ltc, but I recompiled to a poolers 2.3x source

11:08:35 mircea_popescu: the "here" came before the "ltc" in the sentence because i order by importance.

11:08:52 mircea_popescu: markedathome ideally someone with 5-6 digits of the stuff.

11:09:24 markedathome: isn't chaang-noi something to do with litecoin?

11:09:26 pankkake: well there's goat

11:09:33 ThickAsThieves: hehe

11:09:44 ThickAsThieves: i guess that is a funnier suggestion

11:09:45 ThickAsThieves: you win

11:12:00 truffles: goat isnt a good businessman?

11:12:18 truffles: ;)

11:13:12 kakobrekla: why the ltc mircea_popescu

11:17:22 ThickAsThieves: well goat and mp dont exactly get along if i recall

11:18:24 mircea_popescu: not a matter of "not getting along"

11:18:27 mircea_popescu: i don't empower scammers.

11:18:32 mircea_popescu: even if they are mentally ill and thus funny.

11:18:34 truffles: lmao

11:20:51 ThickAsThieves: life is a scam

11:21:06 ThickAsThieves: lived by pots and kettles

11:21:20 truffles: hehe

11:21:59 mircea_popescu: not so.

11:22:05 mircea_popescu: for instance, there are the people who are clean.

11:22:20 mircea_popescu: for another instance, there are the people who aren't clean, and would like to represent everything as "shades of grey"

11:22:36 mircea_popescu: because they feel that their mistakes which rendered them gray are unfair and "nobody could have foreseen"

11:22:56 mircea_popescu: while this interest is understandable, it also is exactly how they ceased being white.

11:23:04 mircea_popescu: and in some approximations, became black.

11:23:19 truffles: only perfect humans go mistakeless

11:23:44 ThickAsThieves: <mircea_popescu> for instance, there are the people who are clean. --- so we're not all sinners in the eyes of the lord?

11:24:05 kakobrekla: but the lord only sees what you type in irc!

11:24:34 ThickAsThieves: and what porn you like

11:25:10 truffles: nsa?

11:25:26 kakobrekla: is why i dont have webcams

11:27:33 ThickAsThieves: maybe a good slogan for S.NSA?

11:27:38 ThickAsThieves: "We like to watch."

11:28:00 truffles: im expert watching

11:28:07 kakobrekla: maybe, i also like "fuck off nsa. ~ nsa"

11:28:17 truffles: -ing, er

11:28:19 markedathome: so having been away from sometime what happened in the saga of pirate pass throughs with patrick/kluge etc?

11:28:37 kakobrekla: markedathome pirate paid yesterday

11:28:56 markedathome: what?

11:29:20 truffles: wouldnt it be cool if there was a like a concent pool of people who are ok with being watched?

11:29:29 truffles: for free? prob not

11:29:40 kakobrekla: there is such pool already

11:29:44 markedathome: everyone with lg smart tvs?

11:29:45 kakobrekla: its called planet Earth

11:29:57 ThickAsThieves: chat roulette?

11:30:21 truffles: heard of this

11:30:34 kakobrekla: and welcome back markedathome, i remember you from somewhere

11:30:39 truffles: there was too much spam i bailed

11:30:40 kakobrekla: some irc room prolly

11:31:02 markedathome: yeah, was around early this year jan-apr

11:31:11 kakobrekla: hm

11:31:23 markedathome: in this very bat-channel

11:31:23 ThickAsThieves: in this world of pots and kettles, most are indeed filled with spam

11:31:38 truffles: haha

11:31:39 kakobrekla: where you the guy who smickles or someone else asked to do something and then parted upon agreement just to never be seen again

11:32:01 markedathome: it was the guy with the spotifycoin site

11:32:15 truffles: i should try spame someday, it surely cant be that bad

11:32:54 markedathome: I had thought I'd told him I was having bitcoin-qt problems at the time, but can't find it in the logs.

11:34:27 mircea_popescu: markedathome nothing happened eh

11:34:44 markedathome: I also offered to return the btc when I got back on in september. it was mcorlett

11:35:49 markedathome: I can find logs of me having problems with bitcoin-qt in other channels, just not those directly related to telling him of the problem.

11:35:56 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla iirc he's one of the guys working on that early ripple thing, with fellowtravellert and dace

11:37:14 markedathome: and I am having complete brainfade - it was last year (mar-apr 2012)

11:37:16 mircea_popescu: Apr 21 23:00:13 <mcorlett> markedathome: What's with the nicknames?

11:37:16 mircea_popescu: Apr 21 23:01:23 <markedathome> for some reason i got blasted off, and i don't have a secondary nick (which i'll correct soon enough)

11:37:20 mircea_popescu: this is 2012, ftr.

11:42:01 truffles: so kako why dont u have webcam hmmm

11:44:42 kakobrekla: cause im not a camwhore like you!

11:45:10 truffles: it just didnt come with my pc :)

11:45:10 kakobrekla: who am i watching then!?

11:45:26 truffles: ghosts

11:45:31 kakobrekla: goats

11:46:35 markedathome: mircea_popescu: ripple thing? are you talking about me?

11:48:01 mircea_popescu: markedathome yes. what was it called now

11:49:24 markedathome: well fellowtraveller was open-transaction? the distributed exchange system. I didn't have anything to do with it

11:49:52 truffles: u r being suspected of something, why wont they say what!

11:49:53 mircea_popescu: Open-Transactions

11:50:00 mircea_popescu: o you didn't ?

11:50:18 markedathome: nope - the only other thing i can think of was jurov's site

11:50:32 markedathome: but that was only as a user, not a developer

11:54:17 mircea_popescu: aite, i can't find a reference. i guess you probably answered q's about it at some point or w/e and ended up associated in my mind.

11:54:23 markedathome: also did some ui suggestions/testing on glbse 2 when it was in beta before going live.

11:55:29 markedathome: possibly - at the time there was the big thing with different exchanges, glbse was still in that crap blue interface before it was RoR'd and bootstrapped.

11:59:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 4 @ 0.03305 = 0.1322 BTC [+]

12:08:02 truffles: ;;ticker

12:08:03 gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 961.34, Best ask: 962.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.66000, Last trade: 961.34, 24 hour volume: 29757.25793072, 24 hour low: 860.001, 24 hour high: 983.99, 24 hour vwap: 931.12442

12:08:20 Venat: For I have returned

12:08:35 truffles: ok

12:10:32 truffles: so what did u buy with the 35bucks

12:14:22 Venat: food :(

12:15:30 Venat: didn't withdraw yet

12:16:55 truffles: online then

12:19:44 Venat: Next casino is like 30 minutes away

12:19:58 Venat: besides, I was in there once with family, doing slotmachines

12:20:07 Venat: didn't catch fire :)

12:20:52 truffles: fun times

12:29:29 Venat: kakobrekla typo on your site http://bit4x.com/news.html April 4th Pro minimum and not mininum. you are welcome

12:29:56 mircea_popescu: mininum hahaha

12:29:58 kakobrekla: MINI NUMBER

12:30:06 kakobrekla: doh!

12:30:13 mircea_popescu: that's a very low ammount of pro.

12:30:17 kakobrekla: lmao

12:30:46 mircea_popescu: course mini mum would mean a british ex-pregnant short woman.

12:30:53 Venat: oh wait you are right

12:30:58 Venat: mininum is correct as its miniature number

12:31:01 Venat: i'm such a moron

12:31:07 mircea_popescu: miniron.

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12:31:27 mircea_popescu: !b 7

12:31:38 mircea_popescu: meh

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12:31:42 mircea_popescu: !b 13

12:31:46 kakobrekla: Venat fixd.

12:33:49 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo "A large miner named ArtForz" actually artforz may be the largest miner.

12:37:25 Venat: kakobrekla, I am most grateful

12:38:16 kakobrekla: im most thankful you are most grateful!

12:39:16 kakobrekla: its too bad irc lines dont compile

12:39:20 kakobrekla: would catch lots of typos

12:39:50 pankkake: some clients have a spell checker

12:42:32 truffles: n some just can spell :D

12:44:12 pankkake: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=297503.msg3730493#msg3730493 made me irlol

12:44:14 ozbot: [ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread [Self-Moderated]

12:44:48 mircea_popescu: lol that zombie still crawls around on the forum ?

12:45:22 mircea_popescu: The speed of the mining difficulty increases seem to slow down a little.

12:45:22 mircea_popescu: I take it that is good news for us (and all other mining companies out there).

12:45:24 mircea_popescu: totally.

12:45:49 kakobrekla: well getting raped less is good news if you are getting raped more

12:45:58 pankkake: ;;bc,stats

12:46:02 gribble: Current Blocks: 271767 | Current Difficulty: 6.094826798883545E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 272159 | Next Difficulty In: 392 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 10 hours, 4 minutes, and 26 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 693612388.6 | Estimated Percent Change: 13.80346

12:46:13 mircea_popescu: and thinking maybe you;ll get raped less is even better news

12:46:38 kakobrekla: keeping the spirit up is half of survival

12:55:11 Venat: ;;ticker

12:55:12 gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 963.0, Best ask: 967.0, Bid-ask spread: 4.00000, Last trade: 967.0, 24 hour volume: 28688.05883397, 24 hour low: 860.001, 24 hour high: 983.99, 24 hour vwap: 933.8987

12:56:11 mircea_popescu: dun dun dun 4 digits here we come

12:59:38 markedathome: btc-e currently has a 650-1000 btc/eur spread

13:14:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 350 @ 0.00187001 = 0.6545 BTC [-] {3}

13:15:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 300 @ 0.00187001 = 0.561 BTC [-] {3}

13:16:34 mircea_popescu: !t havelock neobee

13:16:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK:NEOBEE] 1D: 0.00180252 / 0.00199489 / 0.00214999 (2585 shares, 5.15680254 BTC), 7D: 0.00170000 / 0.00202701 / 0.00246000 (59292 shares, 120.18530637 BTC), 30D: 0.00157500 / 0.0020936 / 0.00278770 (236297 shares, 494.71125106 BTC)

13:16:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 172 @ 0.00187001 = 0.3216 BTC [-] {2}

13:18:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 448 @ 0.00203498 = 0.9117 BTC [+] {3}

13:28:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 43 @ 0.00368898 = 0.1586 BTC [+]

13:31:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 57 @ 0.0036499 = 0.208 BTC [-]

13:31:52 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu do you have any articles on "hoodrat shit" ?

13:32:10 mircea_popescu: whassat ?

13:32:30 thestringpuller: ;;ud hoodrat shit

13:32:31 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Hoodrat%20Shit | The act of engaging in undesirable or unlawful activities such as stealing, smoking marijuana, and drinking forties on the street.

13:32:32 ozbot: Urban Dictionary: Hoodrat Shit

13:33:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.40045 = 0.8009 BTC [+] {2}

13:33:57 Venat: interesting..

13:42:30 thestringpuller: ;;gettrust evoorhees

13:42:31 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user evoorhees: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 3 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=thestringpuller&dest=evoorhees | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=evoorhees | Rated since: Sat Aug 18 16:48:02 2012

13:46:52 thestringpuller: ooh ooh wee need a new bitbet!!!

13:47:26 thestringpuller: http://i.imgur.com/Sd1dxeM.jpg - a bet perhaps stating "BFL Delivers Christmas orders by Christmas 2013?"

13:48:29 kakobrekla: right, ship me one to somalia before chistmas

13:48:47 ThickAsThieves: ;;genrate 5000

13:48:48 gribble: The expected generation output, at 5000.0 Mhps, given difficulty of 609482679.888, is 0.00412568341173 BTC per day and 0.000171903475489 BTC per hour.

13:49:21 kakobrekla: anyway, gotta jet. bbl

13:49:44 truffles: ure in a real jet?

13:49:52 ThickAsThieves: so basically you get the miners just in time to still lose money buying from BFL

13:50:17 ThickAsThieves: god forbid they ship them the day or so you order them

13:51:19 ThickAsThieves: LTC almost $23

13:51:41 ThickAsThieves: maybe we need a $50 before 2014 bet

13:51:51 arij: ltc, crazy

13:55:12 ThickAsThieves: ;;ticker

13:55:13 gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 981.40001, Best ask: 984.0, Bid-ask spread: 2.59999, Last trade: 981.4, 24 hour volume: 29119.81285417, 24 hour low: 860.001, 24 hour high: 984.0, 24 hour vwap: 937.34072

13:55:28 thestringpuller: hmm

13:55:35 thestringpuller: should I get in on this bitbet before it is too late?

13:55:35 thestringpuller: lol

13:59:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 0.20000001 BTC [-]

14:08:59 nubbins`: hm, captain sally is FREAKING out today

14:09:05 bitesak: ;;asks 1000

14:09:06 gribble: There are currently 1698.6083 bitcoins offered at or under 1000.0 USD, worth 1691554.15863 USD in total. | Data vintage: 161.5444 seconds

14:11:07 ThickAsThieves: ;;ticker

14:11:07 gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 986.01, Best ask: 989.99999, Bid-ask spread: 3.98999, Last trade: 989.99, 24 hour volume: 29540.98124236, 24 hour low: 860.001, 24 hour high: 990.0, 24 hour vwap: 938.5936

14:11:34 ThickAsThieves: ltc is so funny, now it outperforms btc

14:11:49 ThickAsThieves: .0275 btc per ltc

14:12:57 mircea_popescu: sorry people, the future ltc over 50 bet is closed early

14:13:04 mircea_popescu: hand over the btc you thought you were going to send.

14:20:44 nubbins`: hm, heavycoin

14:21:04 jurov`: lol.. i logged to btc-e after few months and found an order to sell 500 ltc for 0.98 btc each

14:21:07 nubbins`: every block contains like 1MB of noise from /dev/random

14:21:09 nubbins`: now there's an idea

14:21:15 jurov`: that bet isn't going to close early

14:21:15 thestringpuller: :D

14:21:29 mircea_popescu: nubbins` what's that help ?

14:22:21 mircea_popescu: Racial tensions are inflamed at the University of California at Los Angeles following several incidents ? most notably, one where a professor corrected the grammar, punctuation and capitalization in minority students? assignments.

14:22:21 mircea_popescu: The act of correcting a black student was ?micro-aggression,? according to the members of the student group ?Call 2 Action: Graduate Students of Color,? which launched a sit-in

14:22:41 mircea_popescu: i didn't even know there's a university in burbank.

14:22:50 nubbins`: oh, it doesn't help anything

14:22:53 nubbins`: very cumbersome

14:23:18 nubbins`: hm, micro-aggression?

14:23:27 nubbins`: GRAD STUDENTS said this?

14:24:08 mircea_popescu: well, not really students. us people.

14:24:10 mircea_popescu: whatever they are.

14:24:46 ThickAsThieves: is micro-aggression what happens when passive-aggression sharts?

14:24:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.37020006 BTC [-]

14:25:02 nubbins`: sharting sucks, shissing is worse

14:25:04 truffles: shats

14:25:17 mircea_popescu: i suppose micro aggression is what happens when some nigger is really pissed off and can't find a better pretext to lash out/

14:25:37 truffles: 0.0

14:25:43 ThickAsThieves: i assume "nigger" applies to any color in this example

14:25:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.37020005 = 0.7404 BTC [-] {2}

14:26:06 mircea_popescu: yeah.

14:26:20 truffles: ;;ud nigger

14:26:21 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=nigger | 1. nigger. A fully grown niglet. Theres one of them niggers. mark as favorite buy nigger ... 2. nigger. A word that everyone else is afraid to define except in utter ...

14:26:21 ozbot: Urban Dictionary: nigger

14:26:40 ThickAsThieves: it's an interesting concept, I always felt that black people trying to take ownership of the word wasnt the right reaction

14:26:54 ThickAsThieves: a better one might be to apply the term to a broader meaning

14:26:58 mircea_popescu: yup.

14:27:02 ThickAsThieves: black do this somewhat

14:27:05 ThickAsThieves: blacks*

14:27:12 ThickAsThieves: but only within their own

14:27:15 mircea_popescu: a nigger is anyone that behaves like what the implication of the word suggests.

14:27:30 mircea_popescu: be they white or not, as long as they're illiterate, aggressive, noisy etc, that's that.

14:27:58 nubbins`: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newfie

14:27:59 ozbot: Newfie - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

14:28:01 truffles: there are other words to describe those things

14:28:13 ThickAsThieves: the problem with trying to own "nigger" in the classic sense it creates a paradigm, in which all black people are still pretty much tied to it

14:28:44 mircea_popescu: i don't see it.

14:28:52 nubbins`: i'm still shaking my head at the fact that someone who thinks correcting spelling mistakes is racist was able to make it to grad school

14:28:54 ThickAsThieves: i may not be explainign properly

14:29:00 ThickAsThieves: what i mean is

14:29:19 ThickAsThieves: black people call each other nigger in an effort to take it back

14:29:32 truffles: was it only that group of ppl had their errors corrected?

14:29:36 ThickAsThieves: erase the slave meaning or diminish it

14:29:38 truffles: where is the article linkage

14:29:45 ThickAsThieves: but it cant work

14:29:46 mircea_popescu: nubbins` you have to let people in according to color rather than merit, so people like obama can go to college and be president

14:29:46 bloctoc: PLEASE STOP THIS DISCUSSION!!!

14:29:54 mircea_popescu: it's right there in the conditions of federal funding

14:30:17 deadweasel: mircea_popescu: that definition makes most of america niggers

14:30:18 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves well, "take it back". it'll never be a word to denote cupcakes for instance

14:30:25 ThickAsThieves: right

14:30:29 ThickAsThieves: itll just be

14:30:29 mircea_popescu: deadweasel i guess that makes me a progressive ?

14:30:32 thestringpuller: ;;ud nigga moment

14:30:33 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=nigga%20moment | A moment where ignorance overwhelms the logic of an otherwise rational negro man.

14:30:33 ozbot: Urban Dictionary: nigga moment

14:30:37 ThickAsThieves: the slave word slaves adopted

14:30:39 deadweasel: i'll say, mircea_popescu

14:30:58 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i dunno that it has much to do with slavery really.

14:31:04 mircea_popescu: as far as i can tell slavery is a positive word today.

14:31:07 ThickAsThieves: to them it does

14:31:09 mircea_popescu: nigger is markedly not.

14:31:20 nubbins`: ThickAsThieves: i know plenty of people who refer to themselves as "queer" with no hint of irony

14:31:28 ThickAsThieves: its kinda mashed into one thing by now

14:31:31 mircea_popescu: imo that's all a confusion. they weren;t called niggers because they were slaves, they were called niggers because they were perceived stunted

14:31:38 ThickAsThieves: slavery/racism/oppression

14:31:48 mircea_popescu: may be.

14:32:14 ThickAsThieves: owning the term also keeps it alive

14:32:19 mircea_popescu: what i see in it (from the outside mind you) is an exact equivalent of the "lame"

14:32:25 mircea_popescu: lame does not mean gravity is opressing the person

14:32:29 mircea_popescu: it means the person sucks intrinsically.

14:32:46 ThickAsThieves: well i see it as

14:32:59 deadweasel: yes, i call those shit-heels.

14:33:07 ThickAsThieves: nigger was a word to equate their value with that of livestock

14:33:10 ThickAsThieves: subhuman or such

14:33:19 mircea_popescu: yeah.

14:33:27 mircea_popescu: just like "stupid" in function

14:33:42 deadweasel: ;;ticker

14:33:44 gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 993.00001, Best ask: 994.999, Bid-ask spread: 1.99899, Last trade: 994.999, 24 hour volume: 29031.43156332, 24 hour low: 860.001, 24 hour high: 995.0, 24 hour vwap: 941.26169

14:33:51 ThickAsThieves: so close!

14:33:56 mircea_popescu: dun dun dun

14:34:02 mircea_popescu: we shall have more figures for our bitcoiny needs

14:34:09 truffles: TAT are u trying to educate mp os?

14:34:09 ThickAsThieves: these milestones leave no time for parties!

14:34:17 ThickAsThieves: educate, nah?

14:34:19 ThickAsThieves: we are sharing

14:34:30 truffles: it is a weird discussion

14:34:44 ThickAsThieves: maybe you have some things to work out

14:35:03 truffles: me?

14:35:13 nubbins`: not maybe

14:35:33 ThickAsThieves: well youre the one thats uncomfortable, no?

14:35:52 truffles: uncomfortable no

14:35:54 deadweasel: no, that's bloctoc

14:35:58 ThickAsThieves: hehe

14:36:08 ThickAsThieves: it's off-topic, i'll give you that

14:36:14 truffles: im trying to understand both points of views

14:36:14 ThickAsThieves: but it's not like we interrupted anyone

14:36:24 ThickAsThieves: i dont think either POV conflicts

14:36:29 mircea_popescu: nubbins` iirc queer means "funny", as in, different. at least at the root.

14:36:37 deadweasel: it's true meaning.

14:36:57 deadweasel: its*

14:37:08 ThickAsThieves: an interesting phenomenon,

14:37:30 truffles: u have a logical stance on the word, implying that the hate will go away?

14:37:38 deadweasel: these words have meanings only in your minds, and they will all differ slightly.

14:37:41 ThickAsThieves: there is a pressure for black rappers to use the word nigger in their lyrics

14:37:44 nubbins`: mircea_popescu: well, if we're talking roots, examine the latin "niger"

14:37:49 ThickAsThieves: one they put on themselves

14:37:51 truffles: i think mp uses it implying that its just as bad as any word like "stupid"?

14:37:56 deadweasel: ThickAsThieves: pressure?

14:38:04 mircea_popescu: nubbins` maybe too distant a root. and it's not latin per se anyway, iirc it came from spanish/creole.

14:38:04 ThickAsThieves: when black rappers dont say it, they are not taken as seriously

14:38:06 deadweasel: they were already enslaved and now they are pressuring ecah other?

14:38:17 nubbins`: mircea_popescu: spanish negro from latin niger

14:38:17 ThickAsThieves: deadweasel, all the time

14:38:18 deadweasel: best black artists don't use the word nigger in their rap

14:38:24 ThickAsThieves: best?>

14:38:27 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves here's the thing : rappers sell puff. in matters of puff, god forbid your puff is perceivced as less "quality" than the other's puff.

14:38:34 deadweasel: quality, not mainstream.

14:38:39 nubbins`: mircea_popescu: what's the color black called in romanian?

14:38:39 mircea_popescu: and so they have to fake quality. gotta use the TOP words then,

14:38:43 ThickAsThieves: thats subjective

14:38:45 mircea_popescu: or else someone else does and they're above you.

14:38:54 mircea_popescu: nubbins` negru

14:38:54 ThickAsThieves: well its deeper than that imo

14:39:04 ThickAsThieves: i agree thats a piece of it

14:39:05 mircea_popescu: o look it's a Bugpowder

14:39:13 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves what more ?

14:39:14 nubbins`: most romance languages have similar

14:39:16 ThickAsThieves: but it's also rooted in that white people wanna hear it

14:39:23 Bugpowder: Always show up for a milestonel..

14:39:23 mircea_popescu: hm.

14:39:29 ThickAsThieves: its part of the fantasy appeal

14:39:29 deadweasel: we do?

14:39:41 ThickAsThieves: listening to black gangsters

14:39:44 mircea_popescu: i dunno that i ever wanted to hear a word in preference of another

14:39:46 mircea_popescu: maybe it's just me

14:40:16 mircea_popescu: i don't recall anyone discovering that saying "cunt" sells porn better than any other word, so it never became a big thing.

14:40:17 deadweasel: i don't think so, mp.

14:40:28 mircea_popescu: if anything, this is the basis i'd argue against your theory ThickAsThieves

14:40:29 deadweasel: re: maybe its just me

14:40:30 nubbins`: i think "pussy" sells porn better

14:40:34 mircea_popescu: if such preference existed we'd see it in porn.

14:40:40 nubbins`: cunt is too plosive

14:40:50 deadweasel: Cunt Rockets 4: The TakeOff

14:40:54 truffles: terrible word

14:40:54 deadweasel: Cunt Rockets 5: The Landing

14:40:56 ThickAsThieves: this is popular thing, not one every individual will feel

14:41:04 nubbins`: right? versus Pussy Rockets

14:41:10 nubbins`: obv winner

14:41:14 deadweasel: Pussy rockets ftw

14:41:18 mircea_popescu: cunt riot sounds better than pussy riot tho.

14:41:23 ThickAsThieves: popular rap is popular with white people

14:41:25 ThickAsThieves: not black

14:41:25 deadweasel: more punk fo sho

14:41:31 nubbins`: pussy riot sounds funnier.

14:41:39 nubbins`: cunt riot, more "shocking"

14:41:41 deadweasel: ThickAsThieves: is possible.

14:41:50 nubbins`: altho neither will save you from the gulag

14:41:59 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves well seeing how the demographics are like, anything popular will be popular with white people. blacks are what, 12% if that.

14:42:07 mircea_popescu: even jazz existed once whities started having ella over.

14:42:07 truffles: <ThickAsThieves> popular rap is popular with white people>>> orly, so what r the blacks listening to?

14:42:18 nubbins`: lelelelel

14:43:01 truffles: not what i meant..

14:43:04 nubbins`: uh huh

14:43:05 ThickAsThieves: well blacks that listen to rap listen to all kinds

14:43:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 462 @ 0.00350654 = 1.62 BTC [-] {7}

14:43:16 ThickAsThieves: but it def is influenced by local culture

14:43:25 ThickAsThieves: there is geographic loyalty

14:43:28 deadweasel: do we have problem we are trying to solve with these over generalizations?

14:43:42 ThickAsThieves: its just a conversation

14:43:43 truffles: that n word isnt bad

14:43:46 mircea_popescu: deadweasel yes. we're trying to see if we manage to erupt in full assets riot or not.

14:43:47 ThickAsThieves: not sure theres a point anymore

14:43:53 nubbins`: Assets Riot

14:43:53 deadweasel: just curious what the purpose is, or If I should go make coffee and bacon.

14:43:55 nubbins`: now there's a band

14:43:56 deadweasel: coffee and bacon it is.

14:44:10 mircea_popescu: i wonder if he steams the bacon

14:44:11 truffles: drink tea, its good for u

14:44:17 ThickAsThieves: Amazing Company Records

14:44:21 nubbins`: coffee puts hairs on your chest

14:44:24 deadweasel: i do at work, not on weekend, i get jacked on dark roast

14:44:24 nubbins`: tat, lel

14:44:35 nubbins`: AMAZING COMPANY! Records

14:44:45 truffles: they took it away nooo

14:44:46 mircea_popescu: should totally sign Assets Riot

14:44:50 mircea_popescu: then we could have a bacon signing.

14:44:52 nubbins`: deadweasel: you wanna get jacked, switch to light roast

14:45:36 nubbins`: there was a "performance artist" did a thing here some years ago

14:45:37 mircea_popescu: (i said stir. bonus points to me)

14:45:41 ThickAsThieves: i hear they can be addictive

14:45:44 nubbins`: gave himself an enema of a full bottle of red wine

14:45:53 nubbins`: attempted to shiss it into a bucket

14:45:56 nubbins`: couldn't get any of it out

14:45:57 mircea_popescu: meh you should use white.

14:46:08 truffles: lotta anus love itc

14:46:14 nubbins`: 30 minutes later, falling around the bar, unable to stand up

14:46:20 ThickAsThieves: lol

14:46:28 mircea_popescu: reds usually have a lot of tanic acid. which is how you tan hides. who wants a tanned gut.

14:46:36 nubbins`: that guy, i guess

14:46:51 nubbins`: peaberry coffees have lots of tannins too

14:46:58 nubbins`: really dries out your mouth

14:47:08 mircea_popescu: that can actually cause bleeding.

14:47:11 nubbins`: nod

14:47:29 truffles: anal bleeding?

14:47:31 nubbins`: oh, i learned that the reason pineapple makes my mouth bleed is because the core is full of meat tenderizer

14:47:33 truffles: im lost

14:47:56 nubbins`: and it pulverizes my flesh D:

14:48:00 truffles: didnt i tell u not to have it touch the edges

14:48:12 nubbins`: nono, not the edges

14:48:14 nubbins`: the core

14:48:20 Bugpowder: enzymatic

14:48:25 ThickAsThieves: so MPOE-PR is officially anti-Neo now?

14:48:28 truffles: well ur mouth is too weak

14:48:36 Bugpowder: also papaya. (papain)

14:48:44 truffles: maybe u should stop the coffee thats thinning u out?

14:48:47 nubbins`: have never tried papays

14:48:53 deadweasel: omg I hope this is not about papaya enemas

14:48:55 nubbins`: truffles: real men drink coffee

14:49:06 nubbins`: tea is for the weak and the infirm

14:49:26 jurov`: what an assriot

14:49:26 truffles: guess thats why i can rip through pineapples like a boss

14:49:29 deadweasel: so I'm only weak and infirm on weekedays?

14:49:38 nubbins`: truffles: you probably buy pineapple chunks or something

14:49:39 deadweasel: truffles it's because you're so full of meat

14:49:44 ThickAsThieves: ;;ticker

14:49:47 nubbins`: i quarter the things and rip the core out with my teeth

14:49:48 truffles: haha

14:49:51 ThickAsThieves: !!!

14:49:53 gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 995.0, Best ask: 996.8, Bid-ask spread: 1.80000, Last trade: 996.99999, 24 hour volume: 29230.90252009, 24 hour low: 860.001, 24 hour high: 998.33, 24 hour vwap: 943.68055

14:49:58 deadweasel: fuckin' a

14:49:59 ThickAsThieves: $1000

14:50:02 nubbins`: oh my

14:50:05 nubbins`: OK

14:50:13 Bugpowder: http://i.imgur.com/DYfpqvh.gif

14:50:13 nubbins`: so all this bitcoin all time high talk

14:50:14 ThickAsThieves: ;;ticker

14:50:15 gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 995.0, Best ask: 996.8, Bid-ask spread: 1.80000, Last trade: 996.99999, 24 hour volume: 30286.01335841, 24 hour low: 860.001, 24 hour high: 1000.0, 24 hour vwap: 945.63343

14:50:23 nubbins`: combined with richard branson's latest thing

14:50:23 ThickAsThieves: there it is

14:50:24 mircea_popescu: omfg the speed

14:50:27 Bugpowder: wake up bitcoinity

14:50:32 deadweasel: right bug?!?1

14:50:36 nubbins`: made me have a dream about space last night

14:50:39 deadweasel: love that gif

14:50:41 nubbins`: me and pascale went up in a rocket

14:50:44 jurov`: ;;doxlag

14:50:44 gribble: Error: "doxlag" is not a valid command.

14:50:46 ThickAsThieves: lol rally now

14:50:48 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves well, they fucked up. need a little signalling to comprehend they fucked up.

14:50:48 jurov`: ;;goxlag

14:50:49 ThickAsThieves: 1012

14:50:49 gribble: MtGox lag is 92.228569 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.184825019633 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin ten times between Jupiter and Callisto (0.12567 AU).

14:50:50 nubbins`: and -- no joke -- did a freefall back to earth

14:50:56 nubbins`: parachuting into my backyard at the end of it

14:51:05 nubbins`: not sure how we survived reentry, but it was pretty scary

14:51:10 jurov`: 999

14:51:28 ThickAsThieves: whoa

14:51:41 ThickAsThieves: gox lagging on BUYS thats unusual

14:51:44 mircea_popescu: and we got 1k

14:51:56 ThickAsThieves: 1020

14:52:05 ThickAsThieves: hehe

14:52:10 mircea_popescu: we ty.

14:52:16 jackmaninov: think it's just bitcoinity lagging

14:52:25 jurov`: yeeeees

14:52:26 jackmaninov: bitcoinwisdom is doing fine

14:52:38 nubbins`: don't thank me yet, wait til i create a forum thread where i fuss about my spelling being corrected

14:52:42 jurov`: no gif ?!

14:52:44 nubbins`: i mean about my money being stolen

14:52:47 thestringpuller: ;;ticker

14:52:47 gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 1020.00001, Best ask: 1020.58739, Bid-ask spread: 0.58738, Last trade: 1020.58739, 24 hour volume: 31032.61127457, 24 hour low: 865.2222, 24 hour high: 1026.15138, 24 hour vwap: 948.33012

14:52:51 thestringpuller: NOOOO

14:52:57 thestringpuller: bet closed

14:53:02 thestringpuller: RESOLVE THAT SHIT kakobrekla

14:53:02 nubbins`: AH HAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA

14:53:07 nubbins`: FUCK THIS.

14:53:17 nubbins`: dumping coffee down sink

14:53:19 nubbins`: i'm cracking a beer

14:53:28 thestringpuller: ^- seconded

14:53:31 mircea_popescu: dump coffee down beer, crack the sink

14:53:34 thestringpuller: time to light up some bowls

14:53:42 thestringpuller: drink some beer

14:53:43 thestringpuller: i'm done

14:53:57 nubbins`: hm, should have had a jazz cigarette ready to go

14:54:02 thestringpuller: http://www.technobuffalo.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Seinfeld-Leaving.gif

14:54:03 nubbins`: didn't think it'd happen so soon

14:54:18 mircea_popescu: nubbins` well it did have a few days to breathe.

14:54:51 jackmaninov: TO THE MOON http://i.imgur.com/5Zo5uzt.gif

14:54:57 nubbins`: nod, the fault is mine

14:55:12 thestringpuller: man would have been an easy 0.1

14:55:14 nubbins`: having a hard time getting upset about it tho ;D

14:55:21 mircea_popescu: as they say, more people want to buy 4 digit btc than they wanted to buy 3 digit btc.

14:55:22 thestringpuller: this is MPOE statement week no mircea_popescu ?

14:55:33 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller yeah, this fri

14:55:39 thestringpuller: that's because now the millionaires want to buy btc

14:55:56 mircea_popescu: better social proof, however you wish to slice it.

14:56:18 nubbins`: i guess this bodes well for my hoard of casascius coins

14:56:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.0035 = 0.105 BTC [-] {2}

14:56:28 thestringpuller: lol

14:56:51 thestringpuller: my biggest fear is the day I go to crack open my casascius coin the private key is unreadable

14:56:54 thestringpuller: OR

14:56:57 thestringpuller: it has a typo

14:57:01 mircea_popescu: you know, i clearly recall mpoe-pr offering free bitcoins on some stripper forum some time back

14:57:04 nubbins`: hahaha

14:57:07 mircea_popescu: none of the hos took it.

14:57:13 mircea_popescu: it was epic.

14:57:27 deadweasel: they really do want 4 digit coins... holy shit

14:57:34 mircea_popescu: deadweasel it was like 50 at the time

14:57:52 mircea_popescu: o o. yeah, buys prolly gonna be raining in for a bit.

14:58:38 deadweasel: as china relaxes capital controls, you think many chinese will cash out for other ventures?

14:59:01 mircea_popescu: what other ventures ?

14:59:17 nubbins`: exporting cheap plastic items

14:59:37 deadweasel: ^

14:59:53 mircea_popescu: i don't see it. who knows ?

14:59:54 jurov`: or buying litecoins

14:59:58 mircea_popescu: lol

15:00:05 deadweasel: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/21/business/global/china-quietly-relaxes-controls-on-foreign-capital.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

15:00:14 nubbins`: i'm telling you, heavycoins

15:00:15 mircea_popescu: deadweasel in fairness they've been doing it for a while.

15:00:20 nubbins`: all the ballers will want them

15:01:07 mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=348977.new#new << meanwhile at butthurt farm, mpoe-pr creating the butthurt so btc can go up up up

15:01:08 ozbot: This is the story of your loss.

15:01:19 deadweasel: public service, ty

15:02:14 nubbins`: leel

15:02:41 nubbins`: to be fair, average investors get average returns

15:02:52 nubbins`: plenty of people made fortunes on each of those exchanges

15:03:07 mircea_popescu: do the math, srsly.

15:03:08 jcpham: since we're feeling so successful this morning mircea_popescu

15:03:09 nubbins`: plenty of idiots got fleeced too, so y'know

15:03:15 jcpham: rota is up in 2 days

15:03:21 mircea_popescu: dun dun dun :D

15:03:26 mircea_popescu: is it exciting jcpham ?

15:03:49 jcpham: HEY GUYS IF YOU WANT TO SERVE AS ROTA FOR THE NEXT YEAR GO SIGN UP IN mircea_popescu's BLOG

15:04:01 mircea_popescu: I.6. All Judges sit for terms of one year. <<

15:04:03 mircea_popescu: why tomorrow ?!

15:04:17 jcpham: tomorrow the 29th is when i gpg signed a key

15:04:27 jcpham: after that there's like 2 weeks or something

15:04:37 jcpham: don't make me look up my notes

15:04:38 mircea_popescu: well that's fine, but you were accepted dec 15th.

15:04:43 nubbins`: hey, i'm good at judging things

15:04:44 truffles: what r u judging?

15:04:44 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2012/the-mpex-rota/ < tis thar.

15:04:45 ozbot: The MPEx Rota pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

15:04:53 jcpham: thank you for the clarification dates

15:05:01 jcpham: i wasn't sure which one we were going by

15:05:01 mircea_popescu: nubbins` sadly your shot at judging things WAS RUINED by the earlier rota judges

15:05:09 nubbins`: oh?

15:05:12 jcpham: nubbins`

15:05:14 mircea_popescu: jcpham yeah, 1 year from your 15th of the quarter whenever it was

15:05:16 mircea_popescu: which was dec.

15:05:16 jcpham: don't listen to him

15:05:30 truffles: what are you judging!!

15:05:34 jcpham: go sign up to be next year's judge

15:05:40 jcpham: ,pex disputes

15:05:44 jcpham: *mpex

15:05:52 jcpham: mircea_popescu hates the idea

15:06:04 truffles: there were that many that judges were needed?

15:06:09 mircea_popescu: jcpham eh read teh thing dood, i have to sign off on the rolls anyway

15:06:12 jcpham: but has yet to disband it through some type of wording or contractual nullification

15:06:23 mircea_popescu: i just let it lay dormant

15:06:31 jurov`: it will be furloughed

15:06:35 nubbins`: well jeez guys

15:06:39 nubbins`: way to send me conflicting messages

15:06:53 jcpham: i'm not the one sending conflicting messages here

15:06:55 mircea_popescu: nubbins` http://fraudsters.com/category/rota/ < read those 4 articles or w/e

15:07:00 nubbins`: i don't know that my WoT rating is older than 6 months anyway

15:07:03 mircea_popescu: it documents a failed experiment in citizen justicing.

15:07:05 jcpham: >:)

15:07:24 deadweasel: ;;ticker

15:07:25 gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 1007.0, Best ask: 1022.6152, Bid-ask spread: 15.61520, Last trade: 1007.0, 24 hour volume: 31555.16443743, 24 hour low: 868.9, 24 hour high: 1030.0, 24 hour vwap: 950.52497

15:07:30 mircea_popescu: one which cost me more than what your average new "exchange" is worth lock stock and barrel,

15:07:37 mircea_popescu: but whatever, for i r billionare mp.

15:07:47 truffles: if one does the just thing, one does not need others to decide on one's behalf

15:07:52 jcpham: omg i'm going to cry

15:08:04 jcpham: saddest story ever

15:08:37 jcpham: i'm not sure how it failed so miserably so fast but i don't think this is true

15:08:38 mircea_popescu: jcpham just the fact that i'll have this to lord over the noobs in the coming decades makes it worthwhile.

15:08:45 nubbins`: mircea_popescu: hm, shame, sounded like fun

15:08:50 mircea_popescu: ikr?

15:08:58 mircea_popescu: shit that sounds fun sometimes turns out to not be.

15:09:16 nubbins`: been there more than once D:

15:09:24 jcpham: nubbins` i'd still be persistent if i were you in asking where to sign up

15:09:46 jcpham: actually maybe we can bring a case against mpex

15:09:48 nubbins`: would you, though?

15:10:03 nubbins`: i mean, there's an article right there with "post mortem" in the title

15:10:21 jcpham: i'm not sure mircea_popescu has the authority he caims to have

15:10:33 jcpham: based on the initial "birth" of the idea

15:10:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3330 @ 0.00008 = 0.2664 BTC [-]

15:10:50 nubbins`: do elaborate

15:10:53 mircea_popescu: yeah

15:11:24 mircea_popescu: doesn't look like it's ever going under 1k again.

15:11:28 mircea_popescu: anyone wanna bet on this ?

15:11:47 jcpham: II.2. The Rota supersedes the jurisdiction of any other court, institution, group, organisation, corporation, reigning monarch, city fool etc.

15:11:51 deadweasel: I think it would make a very profitable bet.

15:11:51 jcpham: it's a bold claim

15:12:02 ThickAsThieves: you are betting we never see 3 digits again?

15:12:03 jcpham: it might fall under 1000

15:12:26 ThickAsThieves: i give it 4 hours

15:12:34 thestringpuller: ;;ticker

15:12:34 gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 1016.0, Best ask: 1021.1542, Bid-ask spread: 5.15420, Last trade: 1021.1542, 24 hour volume: 31568.47965533, 24 hour low: 870.00001, 24 hour high: 1030.0, 24 hour vwap: 950.71338

15:12:34 assbot: 123!

15:13:01 thestringpuller: lets make that bet then

15:13:02 deadweasel: from 30 to 1030 in ayear

15:13:03 deadweasel: ?

15:13:07 jcpham: lolololol: http://www.businessinsider.com/silk-road-satoshi-paper-retraction-2013-11?op=1

15:13:38 nubbins`: mircea_popescu: after an admittedly cursory skim, it looks like you just picked bad judges

15:14:02 jurov`: good judges like me decided to wait and see

15:14:05 deadweasel: turned to be an old OTC guy, no?

15:14:24 jcpham: nubbins` i concede this also may be true

15:14:53 jcpham: people usually are the weak link in an idea

15:15:26 nubbins`: eh, ideas are easy, implementing them is the hard part

15:15:40 nubbins`: hence why ideas are generally worth $0

15:15:42 Bugpowder: STACK THE COURT.

15:15:55 Bugpowder: FDR would be proud

15:16:13 mircea_popescu: nubbins` i pickled what was available at the time/

15:16:20 mircea_popescu: granted, my mistake, should have waited more.

15:16:37 jcpham: that's ok i'm an easy target

15:16:44 Bugpowder: OH sweet! Retracted! I'm going to get retraction watch to do a story on it.

15:17:10 mircea_popescu: lol.

15:17:20 nubbins`: mircea_popescu: some sort of sub-100 btc baby rota where judges don't get paid, or only get paid a pittance, for example

15:17:20 ThickAsThieves: MPOE-PR has at least one definite error in her new post

15:17:26 ThickAsThieves: XBOND was profitable

15:17:38 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves so correct her.

15:17:38 nubbins`: you can't just throw civilians into a set of judge's robes and expect them to act accordingly :P

15:17:49 mircea_popescu: nubbins` isn't this the concept of "citizen x" ?

15:18:22 nubbins`: maybe, not familiar

15:18:26 lewicki: MPOE he seems agitated and threatened that NEOBEE is getting into the game somehow

15:18:37 lewicki: stomping on the ground to kick up sand

15:18:42 mircea_popescu: lewicki you have any idea how often this was said historically ?

15:19:05 lewicki: no, I don;t

15:19:38 mircea_popescu: well that'd be a problem, information asymmetry and all that.

15:20:20 lewicki: I don't follow.

15:21:16 deadweasel: voorhees on litecoin, http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1rjv6l/my_response_to_a_litecoin_advocate/ preaching to the choir in this chan though.

15:21:30 topace: hey mircea_popescu, i requested a withdrawal from mpex yesterday, any chance you could push that through for me ?

15:21:35 mircea_popescu: yup

15:22:02 topace: thanks :)

15:23:01 thestringpuller: is it

15:23:03 thestringpuller: like still going up

15:23:14 thestringpuller: like a boner and viagra?

15:23:16 thestringpuller: ;;ticker

15:23:16 gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 1041.0, Best ask: 1044.0, Bid-ask spread: 3.00000, Last trade: 1044.0, 24 hour volume: 31737.89401815, 24 hour low: 870.56259, 24 hour high: 1044.0, 24 hour vwap: 951.8752

15:23:39 thestringpuller: ;;bc,24hprc

15:23:40 gribble: Error: Failed to retrieve data. Try again later.

15:23:46 thestringpuller: fucking bitcoincharts

15:23:51 taub: choo choo

15:24:21 taub: yes, still going up right now mtgox alltime highs

15:24:25 taub: 1040

15:25:37 Bugpowder: use this

15:25:38 Bugpowder: http://trading.i286.org

15:25:47 Bugpowder: or this

15:25:48 Bugpowder: http://bitcoinwisdom.com

15:25:53 Bugpowder: 1044

15:26:09 nubbins`: http://imgur.com/EHTN7jc

15:26:10 ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer

15:26:14 nubbins`: ^ for great celebrate

15:26:25 mircea_popescu: deposits flushed.

15:26:27 topace: mircea_popescu: ty, got it

15:26:28 nubbins`: at least i had the foresight to pick one of these up

15:28:23 taub: nice sites Bugpowder

15:28:46 taub: if we hit 2k i'm going to wrestlemania 30

15:28:53 taub: fingers crossed

15:29:50 nubbins`: heh

15:29:59 nubbins`: P asks "have you coated those screens yet?"

15:30:05 nubbins`: "not yet, having a beer first"

15:30:21 nubbins`: P: "ah, you're too busy grabbing life by the balls and giving them a squeeze?"

15:30:24 mod6: ;;ticker

15:30:25 gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 1036.0, Best ask: 1040.0, Bid-ask spread: 4.00000, Last trade: 1036.0, 24 hour volume: 31792.64996268, 24 hour low: 870.56259, 24 hour high: 1044.0, 24 hour vwap: 952.49385

15:30:33 deadweasel: nubbins`: you got a helluva a woman there.

15:30:35 Bugpowder: well being over 1000 was fun while it lasted.

15:30:38 mircea_popescu: yeah. how dares she.

15:30:44 nubbins`: srsly, my life, right?

15:30:52 deadweasel: smile :)

15:31:50 deadweasel: i may have met my future woman last night. gonna go paint a farmhouse with her on friday.

15:31:55 nubbins`: at the rate things are going, i'm not gonna have a mortgage soon

15:32:10 mircea_popescu: paint a farmhouse ?

15:32:16 mircea_popescu: this is easily the most perverted chan on irc.

15:32:30 nubbins`: painting it red, natch

15:32:43 nubbins`: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=214589.msg3737138#msg3737138

15:32:45 ozbot: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace

15:32:52 nubbins`: 45 btc for a 10 btc casascius

15:32:52 deadweasel: ^.^

15:32:53 nubbins`: :0

15:33:03 jcpham: wut

15:33:13 nubbins`: i know

15:33:17 deadweasel: asking or transacted already?

15:33:20 nubbins`: asking

15:33:28 nubbins`: and i thought 25 was taking the piss

15:33:34 deadweasel: fuckin goat

15:33:37 mircea_popescu: pretty soon we;ll be entering "well preserved latin solidus" territory here.

15:33:46 deadweasel: yeah, hold those if you have'em

15:34:15 mircea_popescu: i bouight a trajan aureus once for about 11k

15:34:33 mircea_popescu: i think depending on the issue etc it may go as high as a mil or two

15:34:46 nubbins`: most costly non-casascius coin i ever purchased was just under 3k

15:35:06 deadweasel: ooh, that perty. http://www.romanorum.com.au/Info/Articles/Forming%20a%20Collection/Forming%20a%20collection/Preston-Trajan%20aureus.jpg

15:35:22 nubbins`: hm, that is cool

15:35:26 jcpham: means i'm going to get my 10 graded

15:35:42 jcpham: if people are already asking retard prices

15:35:43 nubbins`: what's it cost to get coins graded, anyway?

15:35:53 jcpham: i looked up anac last night

15:36:01 jcpham: and it's like 3 coins for 125

15:36:04 jcpham: iirc

15:36:10 nubbins`: oh, i was expecting it to cost more

15:36:19 jcpham: no

15:36:25 jcpham: it's 10 coins for 125

15:36:27 jcpham: so less

15:36:29 nubbins`: !

15:36:31 nubbins`: wow

15:36:35 nubbins`: you'd be foolish not to

15:36:36 jcpham: http://www.anacs.com/

15:36:37 ozbot: ANACS - America's Oldest Coin Authentication and Grading Service

15:36:48 nubbins`: although i can't see myself sending like $60k worth of coins through the mail

15:36:57 jcpham: yeah that's my problem

15:37:05 jcpham: that's exactly my problem

15:37:13 nubbins`: although at the risk of being cheeky

15:37:23 nubbins`: if you've got $60k worth of coins, you can fucking well afford a plane ticket

15:37:35 jcpham: that's what i was thinking too

15:38:03 nubbins`: not sure how that'd play out with customs tho

15:38:07 nubbins`: "anything to declare?"

15:38:13 mircea_popescu: nubbins` suppose they peel off the sticker

15:38:16 jcpham: it's in CO and we love colorado

15:38:19 mircea_popescu: as far as they're concerned this is no big deal

15:38:36 nubbins`: mircea_popescu: would probably spend a few minutes explaining to them what they're dealing with

15:38:43 mircea_popescu: this makes no difference

15:38:45 jcpham: i've already seen the anac graded cas coins so i know they grade them

15:39:00 jcpham: obv they've handled them

15:39:14 mircea_popescu: this also doesn't resolve the problem.

15:39:20 jcpham: but chain of custody is really important

15:39:20 mircea_popescu: suppose they send you the coin back w/o sticker. now what ?

15:39:23 mircea_popescu: you complain on the forum ?

15:39:37 nubbins`: lel, no, you file a lawsuit

15:39:41 mircea_popescu: do you ?

15:39:47 nubbins`: of course you do

15:39:55 nubbins`: what else, you just sniff and shrug?

15:39:57 mircea_popescu: don't ofcourse me. do you, nubbins, actuallty file a lawsuit ?

15:39:58 jcpham: i would either have to do that or eat it

15:40:13 nubbins`: i, nubbins, do indeed actually file a lawsuit

15:40:13 jcpham: at this point lawsuit

15:40:13 ThickAsThieves: lol domain http://www.oldmacdonaldhadafarmeie.io/

15:40:21 mircea_popescu: nubbins` who's representing you ?

15:40:21 jcpham: i've eaten enough losses

15:40:36 nubbins`: a lawyer would be the obvious choice

15:40:40 mircea_popescu: how much does he cost ?

15:40:46 nubbins`: less than $60k

15:40:49 mircea_popescu: what if he loses ?

15:40:59 nubbins`: what if the sun eats the earth?

15:41:01 mircea_popescu: no.

15:41:08 mircea_popescu: sun never ate the earth. lawyers lost all the time

15:41:11 mircea_popescu: ;;google newegg

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15:41:25 nubbins`: this isn't patent law

15:41:29 mircea_popescu: it's worse.

15:41:34 nubbins`: contract law!

15:41:42 jcpham: yeah lulz at newegg losing after diffie

15:42:02 mircea_popescu: so there you have it. either you put aside money for the lawuyer and for the appeal

15:42:04 mircea_popescu: or no ofcourse.

15:42:30 jcpham: they couldn't have put a more correct person on the stand to give an accurate portrayel of history and still lost due to patent bullshit

15:42:36 mircea_popescu: ^

15:42:47 mircea_popescu: they lost due to jury bullshit imo.

15:42:58 jcpham: it's sad

15:43:04 jcpham: that's for sure

15:43:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.37020005 BTC [-]

15:43:14 nubbins`: mircea_popescu: seems risky for ANACS to just start peeling holograms on the off-chance that i won't sue them

15:43:16 mircea_popescu: you can either have a jury or not. if you do, it'll be made of idiots. if you don't, the state will just rape you.

15:43:25 mircea_popescu: nubbins` they can'ty control their employee.

15:43:31 deadweasel: goog ol' state rape.

15:43:35 mircea_popescu: think in terms of how the processes are articled in fact,

15:43:44 mircea_popescu: not in terms of how you would like to represent them.

15:43:56 ThickAsThieves: i dont even understand how you can confidently have juries for these things

15:44:03 mircea_popescu: if one guy that just got started woprking with anacs (or with the mail, or etc) figures he might as well, you're sol.

15:44:09 ThickAsThieves: ah i shoulda scrolled

15:44:50 nubbins`: hm

15:45:33 nubbins`: i'd think that ANACS would have some sort of policy surrounding what happens when an employee destroys a submitted coin

15:45:37 nubbins`: although just guessing here

15:45:49 mircea_popescu: except it's unlikely "destruction" is defined as "having peeled a sticker off"

15:45:50 nubbins`: i mean, this is their business

15:46:10 nubbins`: for these coins, destruction is precisely defined as such

15:46:18 mircea_popescu: by you.

15:46:22 nubbins`: nod

15:46:27 ThickAsThieves: just put it in a sleeve that says "DO NOT PEEL STICKER OR YOU DIE."

15:46:27 mircea_popescu: get casascius on the stand

15:46:29 ThickAsThieves: duh

15:46:29 mircea_popescu: (for a cost)

15:46:30 mircea_popescu: then lose.

15:47:06 jcpham: i'd agree peeling the sticker destroys the original value and ALL of the collectible value

15:47:14 jcpham: to me it renders it without value

15:47:21 nubbins`: why don't i just say "hey guys, why not sign this document stating that peeling the stickers off these constitutes destruction"

15:47:29 mircea_popescu: jcpham well yeah, but maybe you're insane. what's the court to know ?

15:47:31 nubbins`: this is not an insurmountable problem

15:47:44 mircea_popescu: nubbins` if you can get them to do that then sure, it's a constructive stgep forward.

15:47:57 jcpham: i *may* be able to provide documentation for the court suggesting that i am not insane though

15:48:05 mircea_popescu: the court will not consider it.

15:48:14 mircea_popescu: it isn't germane to the controversy.

15:48:16 nubbins`: jcpham: can't really prove a negative like that

15:48:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 84 @ 0.00203497 = 0.1709 BTC [+] {2}

15:48:19 jcpham: fuck the court get money, bitches.

15:48:31 jcpham: whoops

15:48:35 ThickAsThieves: just sell the coin, this is too stressful

15:48:39 mircea_popescu: lol

15:48:40 deadweasel: ^

15:48:50 nubbins`: ThickAsThieves: well, who the fuck is gonna buy a coin for $10k?

15:48:57 deadweasel: assholes

15:48:58 nubbins`: the problem is finding buyers

15:49:10 nubbins`: regardless of the coin's worth

15:49:10 jcpham: cash buyers, yes

15:49:14 ThickAsThieves: sell it for what its worth and someone will buy

15:49:21 jcpham: bitcoin buyers....not as difficult

15:49:28 nubbins`: still pretty difficult

15:49:43 nubbins`: 10 btc is much more precious than it once was, even to people who got in early

15:49:50 mircea_popescu: lol that's evil ThickAsThieves

15:50:13 mircea_popescu: i wonder if this is factual, btc coins could indeed be worth less than the btc in them

15:50:19 jcpham: i think i could sell some of them back to the people i bought 'em from

15:50:21 jcpham: for more

15:50:25 mircea_popescu: logic seems to suggest this is true, or else bitcoin wouldn't be an improvement in the first place.

15:50:35 ThickAsThieves: well it's a collectible

15:50:37 ThickAsThieves: not a bitcoin

15:50:55 mircea_popescu: i guess it's protected because you just peel the sticker yoursel;f

15:51:04 ThickAsThieves: it's like a collectible that also comes with free bitcoins

15:51:19 jcpham: i'd like to be in another land one day and finally peel the sticker

15:51:25 jcpham: something refreshing like that

15:51:39 nubbins`: i peeled one a few weeks ago

15:51:41 nubbins`: felt great

15:51:57 ThickAsThieves: give it your real estate agent as commission when you buy your summer home

15:52:04 nubbins`: ^

15:52:15 deadweasel: http://firstblockchain.com/

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15:52:21 nubbins`: can't buy a summer home

15:52:21 deadweasel: i think he's confused

15:52:43 nubbins`: owning 3 houses puts you squarely into "asshole" territory

15:52:43 jcpham: need to pay off mortgage on summer home

15:53:00 ThickAsThieves: i disagree nub

15:53:13 ThickAsThieves: 3 houses in 3 countries, why not?

15:53:16 nubbins`: well, name a person who owns more than two homes who isn't an asshole

15:53:43 ThickAsThieves: landlords

15:53:43 jcpham: so it can't just be property it must be an actual dwelling x3

15:53:58 jcpham: i do not qualify for three dwellings

15:54:00 nubbins`: ThickAsThieves: most landlords are assholes

15:54:12 ThickAsThieves: in the way that most Dads are assholes

15:54:14 ThickAsThieves: i guess

15:54:19 nubbins`: heh

15:54:25 nubbins`: well, they are

15:54:39 nubbins`: regardless of whether it's their shithead kids (or tenants) who made them that way

15:54:42 jcpham: i sense ThickAsThieves is a landlord

15:54:50 jcpham: i am a landlord

15:54:54 nubbins`: i am also a landlord

15:55:06 jcpham: maybe i have not had bad tenants yet

15:55:07 nubbins`: and an asshole, but only when the situation calls for it

15:55:12 nubbins`: i've had brutal tenants

15:55:36 ThickAsThieves: i am indeed a landlord

15:55:36 nubbins`: current ones are great tho

15:55:43 nubbins`: hey, landlord club!

15:55:44 ThickAsThieves: and will probly add properties

15:55:44 jcpham: mine have been very much nor,al so far

15:55:54 jcpham: probably smugglers

15:56:03 nubbins`: i'll probably sell one next year when the current lease is up

15:56:11 nubbins`: property values have skyrocketed here

15:56:14 ThickAsThieves: but future properties will likely be pushed to mgmt company

15:56:26 ThickAsThieves: i also would not mind owning 3 homes personally

15:56:29 nubbins`: mgmt company is the way to go, depending on rates

15:56:48 nubbins`: lots of the ones here charge 1 month's rent per year in fees

15:56:56 ThickAsThieves: living 3-9mos per year in each or such

15:56:59 nubbins`: which is a bit rich, i think

15:57:32 mircea_popescu: someone should point out to that j b allen retard that bitcoin corps have existed for years now

15:58:01 deadweasel: I just sent a contact info invite to -assets

15:58:04 deadweasel: for fun

15:58:16 jcpham: i've done both the mgmt company and private

15:58:24 deadweasel: lol

15:58:25 jcpham: just been lucky so far both were good

15:58:30 nubbins`: ah, great

15:58:48 nubbins`: i had this one idiot mgmt person try to tell me that the house would never rent for more than $800/mo

15:58:52 mircea_popescu: deadweasel bet you he's too smart to figure out irc.

15:58:56 nubbins`: "but... that's less than the mortgage"

15:59:06 deadweasel: i put webchat link

15:59:18 mircea_popescu: o you're good at this.

15:59:37 jcpham: webchat bait links

15:59:40 jcpham: dirty tricks

15:59:48 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves it's better if the women own the houses.

15:59:50 nubbins`: what sort of size homes do you guys rent out?

15:59:52 mircea_popescu: and you own the women

16:00:00 nubbins`: ours is a 5-bedroom, 1.5 bathroom

16:00:13 jcpham: mines 3/1 it's a tiny house

16:00:23 nubbins`: that's a nice size for a rental

16:00:27 nubbins`: 5/1.5 is almost too big

16:00:33 jcpham: i like it for that purpose

16:00:48 jcpham: tornados in 2011 wiped out 40% of it

16:00:49 deadweasel: 1891 built old wood monster. 2 bed 1ba

16:00:52 jcpham: so it's new too

16:01:00 nubbins`: ah

16:01:18 nubbins`: yeah, ours is in a good location, but really old and starting to fall apart

16:01:33 jcpham: gotta keep the water out

16:01:39 nubbins`: nod

16:01:45 nubbins`: had a pipe burst a few months ago

16:01:51 ThickAsThieves: basically when i upgrade my home, i just rent out the old one, rather than sell it

16:01:59 nubbins`: shutoff valve wouldn't fully close, and the city couldn't find the curb stop

16:02:09 nubbins`: had to cut a flowing pipe and fit a valve onto it

16:02:11 nubbins`: wet times

16:02:37 nubbins`: but this house is OLD. all the wiring is external, even

16:02:50 ThickAsThieves: ah we 2 inches of water in half our house a few weeks ago

16:02:54 jcpham: i've seen shitty houses last and rent forever

16:02:57 ThickAsThieves: brand new hardwood floors

16:03:03 jcpham: just needs anew roof every 10 years or so

16:03:11 jcpham: as long as you keep the water out

16:03:39 ThickAsThieves: luckily the installers did a good job, and we caught the leak early enough to have no notable damage

16:03:43 nubbins`: nice

16:03:55 nubbins`: i had a gallon a minute coming down through the ceiling

16:04:03 ThickAsThieves: ugh

16:04:06 nubbins`: yep

16:04:29 nubbins`: apparently there was a bad batch of copper put out about 20 years ago, and it's all starting to fail

16:04:31 ThickAsThieves: this made me wonder why bathrooms dont naturally have a shower drain in the middle of the room

16:04:40 nubbins`: in some countries, they do

16:04:44 nubbins`: korean bathrooms are like this

16:05:01 ThickAsThieves: it just makes sense

16:05:06 mircea_popescu: they do here.

16:05:26 nubbins`: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_FTVdBruEU98/TFxFKAbHaTI/AAAAAAAAADs/hqWgRn8-Oi0/s1600/P1030654.JPG

16:05:31 nubbins`: note showerhead on wall

16:05:42 ThickAsThieves: one bad $10 toilet part and suddenly youre fukt

16:06:06 ThickAsThieves: nice

16:06:17 nubbins`: great, but you need sandals for the bathroom

16:06:25 nubbins`: otherwise your socks get wet every time you take a piss

16:06:28 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2011/instalatorotenia/

16:06:28 ozbot: Instalatorotenia pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

16:06:30 ThickAsThieves: yeah thats more extreme than i request

16:06:36 mircea_popescu: this is me bitching because the floor is not properly inclined

16:06:38 ThickAsThieves: shower can have a stall, it's ok

16:06:41 mircea_popescu: so water puddles rather than drains

16:06:56 deadweasel: nice tile.

16:07:16 deadweasel: did you bend the floor in there?

16:07:30 nubbins`: ThickAsThieves: i was in ONE house in korea that had an actual tub

16:07:38 mircea_popescu: deadweasel no

16:07:40 deadweasel: oh, scrollback

16:07:41 nubbins`: and even this one didn't have a shower curtain

16:07:47 nubbins`: so the water still went everywhere

16:08:13 mircea_popescu: shower curtains are for pussies.

16:08:20 mircea_popescu: you wanna see what's going in there neh ?

16:08:22 nubbins`: or those who don't want wet floors

16:11:05 nubbins`: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=348977.msg3738141#msg3738141

16:11:06 ozbot: This is the story of your loss.

16:11:13 nubbins`: wonder what the average market value of s.dice was

16:11:28 mircea_popescu: i wonder if i published that.

16:12:17 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2013/smpoe-market-cap-vs-sdice-market-cap/ well there's that. guess who's gladoscc.

16:12:18 ozbot: S.MPOE market cap vs S.DICE market cap pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

16:13:15 ThickAsThieves: glados is TF

16:13:31 mircea_popescu: indeed.

16:14:12 nubbins`: was he old enough to vote at that point, i wonder?

16:14:35 nubbins`: god damn, i love wheat beer.

16:14:59 ThickAsThieves: i apologize to MPOE-PR but I don't have the energy to piece-by-piece rebut. generally, i get her points but feel she's being too fast and loose in justifying them. No point restating that in new ways.

16:15:06 nubbins`: on a somewhat related note, anyone else think voorhees looks like Gob from Arrested Development?

16:15:14 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves that works tbh.

16:17:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.37020008 = 0.7404 BTC [+]

16:18:19 mircea_popescu: nubbins` 43`998`459 s.dice shares traded, for 167063.39157175 btc total.

16:18:27 mircea_popescu: comes to ~37

16:18:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 15 @ 0.37014933 = 5.5522 BTC [-] {5}

16:19:47 nubbins`: forced buyback was what, 35?

16:19:56 mircea_popescu: yeah

16:20:15 mircea_popescu: well it was trading around 20 at the time, but it had peaked significantly earlier on. 60 or so

16:20:43 nubbins`: nod

16:20:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 26 @ 0.03300006 = 0.858 BTC [-] {3}

16:23:20 mircea_popescu: 2013-11-27 02:27:00 1.7e+308 1.7e+308 1.7e+308 1.7e+308 Infinity Infinity Infinity

16:23:24 mircea_popescu: bitcoincharts working well today

16:23:37 nubbins`: heh

16:23:41 nubbins`: ATH: infinity

16:24:01 mircea_popescu: http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/nov/27/hard-drive-bitcoin-landfill-site

16:24:06 mircea_popescu: what the fuck was it doing there.

16:24:30 ThickAsThieves: hey anyone else have this kinda phenomenon where you dont talk about bitcoin socially because when you do it's like youre creating a little monster?

16:24:40 nubbins`: haha, what a fucking asshole

16:24:42 ThickAsThieves: like a greedy ignorant little demon

16:24:44 mircea_popescu: i never talked about btc socially for this reason

16:24:55 nubbins`: tat, yes

16:25:05 nubbins`: generally bragging about how much money you have is boorish

16:25:09 ThickAsThieves: it never fails when with my wife at things

16:25:21 nubbins`: and even casually mentioning you own some btc is generally construed as meaning you've got a bunch of money

16:25:21 ThickAsThieves: tell them about what you do!

16:25:25 ThickAsThieves: ugh...

16:25:53 ThickAsThieves: basically i just say "yeah i trade bitcoins"

16:26:02 mircea_popescu: http://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=5.0

16:26:03 ozbot: What is ProtoShares?

16:26:08 mircea_popescu: can anyone explain what the fuck that all is ?

16:26:15 pankkake: mircea_popescu: fucking retarded

16:26:36 pankkake: made me a lot of btc though

16:26:59 pankkake: bytemaster is so stupid

16:27:01 ThickAsThieves: what;s a DAC?

16:27:08 ThickAsThieves: Digital Alt Coin?

16:27:12 nubbins`: dick ass cunt

16:27:24 nubbins`: no idea really

16:27:41 pankkake: but basically he released protoshares, an altcoin, which is has a memory heavy proof of work

16:28:09 pankkake: he planned to mine 30% of it but failed because he got his hardware late and fucked up on diff adjustment

16:28:32 mircea_popescu: lol whatg.

16:28:34 pankkake: so he started trying to want more "decentralized" solutions

16:28:49 mircea_popescu: so he failed to premine his own alt scam ?

16:29:01 nubbins`: why does almost everything in the sphere of btc reek of a complete lack of planning?

16:29:02 nubbins`: like

16:29:07 nubbins`: where are the grown-ups?

16:29:12 pankkake: oh also there was a bounty of $5000 for anyone who could prove it would work faster on the gpu (as the objective of the pow was that it shouldn't)

16:29:16 nubbins`: "i can do everything!"

16:29:21 nubbins`: no, you're 18, you can't

16:29:23 mircea_popescu: coming from nubbins` who just got trampled all to shit hours ago over his poor litigation planning.

16:29:31 nubbins`: trampled, pff

16:29:38 pankkake: then he wanted the exact contrary, make it gpu minable to be more "decentralized"

16:29:43 nubbins`: your doom and gloom has no place here!

16:29:54 pankkake: anyway, the idea is that anything they will release next will be a chain fork of ProtoShares

16:30:09 pankkake: they have "BitShares" or "BitDomains" coming

16:30:14 pankkake: no idea how it is supposed to work

16:30:46 pankkake: I'm probably missing and messing up stuff, I am a bit delirious

16:30:52 pankkake: but really, lol

16:30:53 mircea_popescu: planning is hard, homie. if it were easy i'd have to find a honest way to make a living.

16:31:10 pankkake: I got my btc from the instamine, everything's good

16:31:20 mircea_popescu: how much btc is that ?

16:31:28 pankkake: about 4 I think

16:31:37 pankkake: had I waited it would have been 10

16:31:40 pankkake: but oh well

16:31:52 mircea_popescu: had you stuck the entire thing in your netherhole it'd have been 10 too.

16:32:03 pankkake: do note that it's with zero investment, just the few computers I have running anyway

16:33:11 mircea_popescu: well ok. thanks for knowing all this obscure shit, it makes my life easier.

16:33:22 pankkake: well, free money

16:33:42 pankkake: those obscure coins sell well, because noobs can't figure out how to mine

16:34:25 deadweasel: "Hi deadweasel,

16:34:25 deadweasel: and good evening from Indonesia!

16:34:25 deadweasel: Thanks so much for reaching out. I'm embarassed to say, I was not familiar with MPeX - just having a browse noew and getting caught up.

16:34:28 ThickAsThieves: ltc at .0307 btc

16:34:28 deadweasel: Thank you for your supportive words. I did not realize there were similar efforts going on - I hope I am not stepping on any toes.

16:34:31 deadweasel: I'll be very interested to hear more about what is already underway - will look you up soon on IRC then.

16:34:34 deadweasel: Best,

16:34:43 nubbins`: aha

16:34:58 pankkake: MPeX? how do you like that

16:35:19 mircea_popescu: deadweasel you're too good at this i swear.

16:35:27 ThickAsThieves: guy actually sounds reasonable!

16:35:30 nubbins`: ^

16:35:32 mircea_popescu: i blame dw.

16:35:34 nubbins`: was gonna say

16:35:40 deadweasel: :)

16:35:43 mircea_popescu: who the fuck knows what he put in the email.

16:35:44 mircea_popescu: coolaid.

16:35:45 nubbins`: that's a polite, lucid response

16:36:00 nubbins`: what's he selling again? ;p

16:36:57 mircea_popescu: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e5/Rolling-Square.gif

16:37:33 nubbins`: works wonderfully for some values of "road"

16:37:34 deadweasel: i just wanted to discuss with him. his ideas are interesting, if not usable yet.

16:38:12 mircea_popescu: deadweasel so far he's way above the noob curve, as the others have wisely pointed out.

16:38:49 deadweasel: hope he hops on today.

16:38:55 mircea_popescu: https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-talk/2013-November/031215.html

16:38:58 ozbot: [tor-talk] "Safeplug"

16:39:04 mircea_popescu: this takes the "most retarded thing on tor" award.

16:39:27 ThickAsThieves: "I was on the verge of pulling the trigger at $65 when there was a lull a couple of months ago!! Am kicking myself right now!"

16:39:43 ThickAsThieves: i like this current magical rewriting of when the price was at certain points

16:39:53 ThickAsThieves: i saw it on CNBC too

16:39:54 pankkake: you'd be safer with a buttplug

16:40:07 ThickAsThieves: announcer saying he bought at $100 last month

16:40:10 nubbins`: ^ at least that stops you from getting fucked in the ass

16:40:28 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves so now you know the announcer is a lying sob.

16:40:39 thestringpuller: ;;ticker

16:40:40 gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 1043.0, Best ask: 1043.9999, Bid-ask spread: 0.99990, Last trade: 1041.0, 24 hour volume: 31845.13612728, 24 hour low: 877.0, 24 hour high: 1044.0, 24 hour vwap: 960.98895

16:40:49 mircea_popescu: but anyway, bitcoin is now that thing anyone wants to pretend they have.

16:40:51 thestringpuller: wow is it really stabilizing at 1000?

16:40:56 mircea_popescu: due to its anony nature, they can.

16:40:59 pankkake: the first rule about trading bitcoins is lying about your past performance

16:41:00 ThickAsThieves: yes the tone has changed for sure

16:41:04 ThickAsThieves: "My only concern is not even the smartest tech guys I know truly understand it. "

16:41:05 nubbins`: heh

16:41:12 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: if someone made a bitcoin charts like api that was more reliable would you be willing to run the MPOE bot off that?

16:41:15 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller you got a problem with 1000 ? are you an anti-thousandist ?

16:41:15 ThickAsThieves: theverge.com comments have totally shifted

16:41:23 ThickAsThieves: to regret

16:41:26 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller in principle.

16:41:27 nubbins`: no point for me to lie, most people here probably already think i ate too many paint chips as a child

16:41:29 thestringpuller: ;;bc,24hprc

16:41:30 gribble: Error: Failed to retrieve data. Try again later.

16:41:39 thestringpuller: cause ^ is ridiculous

16:41:47 mircea_popescu: ikr?

16:41:51 mike_c: i thought bitcoincharts got new hardware.

16:42:05 mircea_popescu: but in its defense, the price is out of band anyway.

16:42:14 mircea_popescu: mike_c yes. it's smaller than before.

16:42:18 mircea_popescu: like a vaginoplasty.

16:42:23 mike_c: maybe they bought those new quantum servers

16:42:29 dexX7: ;;goxlag

16:42:32 gribble: MtGox lag is 4.850078 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.00971950200782 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from Saturn to its largest moon, Titan (0.00802 AU).

16:42:40 nubbins`: "raspi is cheap, let's get a bunch of those and install apache"

16:42:51 thestringpuller: hahaha

16:42:53 mircea_popescu: jajaj

16:42:58 pankkake: there was one company selling hosting on mac minis

16:43:04 nubbins`: lelelelelelelel

16:43:09 thestringpuller: kekekekekekekeke

16:43:16 thestringpuller: zergling rush!

16:43:25 pankkake: héhé

16:43:34 pankkake: why aren't koreans into bitcoin?

16:43:39 nubbins`: seriously, there must be a guy out there somewhere with a beowulf cluster of raspis

16:43:42 mircea_popescu: they are.

16:43:46 pankkake: I wasn't aware

16:44:03 nubbins`: trying to figure out how to get apache to play nice with MPI

16:44:09 ThickAsThieves: wasnt there recent news about korea and btc?

16:44:09 mircea_popescu: https://pogoplug.com/safeplug

16:44:10 ozbot: Safeplug: Safe, Secure, Anonymous Web Browsing From any Device

16:44:16 mircea_popescu: woman's head says... "Activate my safeplug"

16:44:17 mike_c: mp, this is the.. fourth time you are going to have to update strikes this year?

16:44:17 deadweasel: yes, no cap gains

16:44:20 pankkake: oh yes

16:44:24 nubbins`: ThickAsThieves: no tax

16:44:30 mircea_popescu: mike_c something like that

16:44:55 mircea_popescu: two degrees of magnitude in there.

16:45:00 nubbins`: mircea_popescu: is that like, yellow buttplug if you want things to change direction and red buttplug to stop scene immediately?

16:45:25 pankkake: http://bitbet.us/bet/402/non-south-korea/ wow I missed a starcraft bet!

16:45:28 ozbot: BitBet - Non-South Korean to win the Starcraft 2 "2013 DreamHack Open: Stockholm" tournament

16:45:42 nubbins`: ^ that shit's on tv there

16:45:58 ThickAsThieves: ;;ticker

16:45:58 gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 1060.0, Best ask: 1069.0, Bid-ask spread: 9.00000, Last trade: 1069.0, 24 hour volume: 32565.53644014, 24 hour low: 877.0, 24 hour high: 1073.0, 24 hour vwap: 963.61072

16:46:03 pankkake: oh you can watch starcraft in bars all over the world now

16:46:21 nubbins`: o

16:46:21 asciilifeform: i once read that in america, it is customary to plug the butts of condemned criminals. they are denied the traditional gallows privilege of shitting themselves.

16:46:28 asciilifeform: this must mean something, culturally.

16:47:16 nubbins`: well, few things feel as good as taking a shit

16:47:23 mike_c: this actually has a chance. insane.

16:47:24 mike_c: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-11-2013#384211

16:47:26 ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log

16:48:09 asciilifeform: once read that louis xvi and marie a. held it in for a week, prior to their magic date.

16:48:20 markedathome: so now that bitcoin has passed 1000usd, will 'the good wife' do a followup to their "bitcoin" episode?

16:48:37 ThickAsThieves: i cant bring myself to watch that show

16:48:47 ThickAsThieves: the name, the main actress, all make me squirm

16:49:00 nubbins`: never watched it, probably won't

16:49:21 ThickAsThieves: i downloaded the bitcoin ep to try it

16:49:26 ThickAsThieves: i made it like 3minutes in

16:49:30 pankkake: the name made me think it was reality tv

16:50:12 nubbins`: fuckit, i'm posting this here too

16:50:12 nubbins`: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fk0Y6Lu_uA

16:50:13 ozbot: Queen - Bohemian Rhapsody (A-Cappella) - YouTube

16:50:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 7 @ 0.15000105 = 1.05 BTC [-] {4}

16:50:29 nubbins`: awesome

16:51:14 pankkake: I can't listen to this song without thinking of the Wayne's World bit

16:51:22 ThickAsThieves: harmony is def underappreciated

16:52:01 nubbins`: right? people don't sing like this

16:52:05 nubbins`: fucking amazing

16:52:05 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

16:52:32 pankkake: it's pretty good, and it's coming from someone who hates most singing

16:52:35 nubbins`: pretty lelly when the headbanging part comes up and it's just silence for like a minute

16:53:41 thestringpuller: !ticker m S.mpoe

16:53:41 assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00080752 / 0.00081224 / 0.00083 (30884 shares, 25.09 BTC), 7D: 0.0007725 / 0.00079132 / 0.00085604 (1112027 shares, 879.97 BTC), 30D: 0.0007725 / 0.00082335 / 0.00088996 (5198653 shares, 4,280.36 BTC)

16:53:47 thestringpuller: !last m S.MPOE

16:53:47 assbot: Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.00082913 BTC [+]

16:53:53 thestringpuller: righteous

16:55:26 nubbins`: this one is pretty sick too:

16:55:27 nubbins`: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Klr5z0hoP04

16:55:27 ozbot: Freddie Mercury vs. Crowd - YouTube

16:55:30 ThickAsThieves: ;;baratio

16:55:35 nubbins`: some set of teeth on him

16:55:40 gribble: Total bids: 36829309 USD. Total asks: 14725 BTC. Ratio: 2501.07829 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 232.0051 seconds

16:56:05 ThickAsThieves: surely put a fright into some of his lovers

16:56:18 ThickAsThieves: chomp!

16:56:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.36126667 = 1.0838 BTC [-] {2}

16:57:16 nubbins`: lel

16:57:20 nubbins`: no doubt

16:57:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.096 = 0.48 BTC [-]

16:57:31 nubbins`: anyway, click that video

16:58:03 Venat: Such bitcoin, nice price. Woah, not central

16:58:08 nubbins`: ^ lel

16:58:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 25 @ 0.0322 = 0.805 BTC [-]

16:58:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.15000104 = 0.3 BTC [-] {2}

16:58:36 Venat: ;;ticker

16:58:37 gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 1062.323, Best ask: 1064.994, Bid-ask spread: 2.67100, Last trade: 1062.323, 24 hour volume: 32653.65049996, 24 hour low: 877.0, 24 hour high: 1073.0, 24 hour vwap: 964.51224

16:58:41 Venat: and we did it

16:58:53 nubbins`: y'know, the first time i bought a Queen cassette, the fucking thing was spooled backwards

16:59:07 nubbins`: i made it through BOTH SIDES of the tape before deciding that this was in fact the case

16:59:35 ThickAsThieves: vid gave me chills

16:59:35 mircea_popescu: <ThickAsThieves> harmony is def underappreciated <<

16:59:54 ThickAsThieves: good stuff

16:59:58 Venat: nubbins`, you the one with the diaries?

17:00:04 nubbins`: ?

17:01:23 ThickAsThieves: freddie mercury babbling sounds on stage can communicate better with a crowd than most leaders

17:01:29 nubbins`: inorite?

17:01:40 nubbins`: the only similarity is the "fuck you" at the end ;D

17:02:07 mircea_popescu: deadweasel o look, your friend was here. you missed him!

17:02:59 Venat: is there a way to track how many addresses there are currently

17:03:41 mircea_popescu: you could parse the blockchain for all addresses seen so far.

17:03:41 nubbins`: addresses with btc in them?

17:04:07 Venat: i see

17:04:08 nubbins`: there's a ton of these acapella videos on youtube, some of them are pretty funny

17:04:28 nubbins`: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSESEUMQ6WA

17:04:58 nubbins`: not sure why lemmy isn't dead yet

17:05:23 ThickAsThieves: you know there's an easy way to make acappella versions?

17:05:32 ThickAsThieves: it requires the mix to be favorable

17:05:42 ThickAsThieves: newer mixes are impossible usually

17:05:45 nubbins`: nod

17:05:52 nubbins`: you can hear the backing tracks in a lot of these, very faintly

17:06:23 nubbins`: occasionally you'll find one that's just the naked vocal track from the mixing board, but those are pretty rare

17:06:30 ThickAsThieves: it's like magic when you show someone

17:06:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.14705602 BTC [-]

17:06:38 ThickAsThieves: and explain why

17:06:47 ThickAsThieves: hard to comprehend

17:07:29 nubbins`: the bohemian rhapsody one, you could hear a few piano parts where they happened to be around the same freqs as his voice

17:07:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 500 @ 0.0005 = 0.25 BTC [+]

17:07:45 nubbins`: hm. would love to find some talking heads vocal tracks

17:07:59 ThickAsThieves: more likely piano leaked into the vocal track

17:08:04 pankkake: http://blog.oleganza.com/post/68246062759/arguments-for-litecoin-are-fraudulent

17:08:04 ozbot: Oleg Andreev - Arguments for Litecoin are fraudulent

17:08:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.145 = 0.29 BTC [-]

17:08:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 18858 @ 0.00007974 = 1.5037 BTC [+] {2}

17:09:08 ThickAsThieves: article is weak

17:09:09 nubbins`: hm, yeah, that's possible too

17:09:15 drmandude: Anyone from bitbet in here?

17:09:24 mircea_popescu: possibly.

17:09:25 drmandude: http://bitbet.us/bet/626/bitcoin-will-stay-above-1000-for-the-rest/

17:09:28 mircea_popescu: do you bring cookies ?

17:09:28 ozbot: BitBet - Bitcoin will stay above $1000 for the rest of 2013

17:09:31 drmandude: 1000 for the rest of 2013

17:09:36 ThickAsThieves: no coin NEEDS to win

17:09:41 drmandude: but there's 10 months of closing time

17:09:47 mircea_popescu: ono ?!

17:09:53 pankkake: that's not the point of the article

17:10:00 ThickAsThieves: its the premise

17:10:06 mircea_popescu: bah. ty for saying

17:10:17 ThickAsThieves: that LTC is useless unless it beats BTC

17:10:36 pankkake: let's say "unless it offers something else"

17:10:38 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: I'm the cookie guy!!!!

17:10:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1000 @ 0.00049999 = 0.5 BTC [-]

17:10:51 ThickAsThieves: bitcoin could fork

17:10:55 ThickAsThieves: and both forks live forever

17:11:03 thestringpuller: there should be a bet for that ThickAsThieves

17:11:07 thestringpuller: bitcoin forks in 2014

17:11:11 nubbins`: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cb6izAqdTnc

17:11:11 ozbot: Talking Heads - Fear of Music - YouTube

17:11:12 mircea_popescu: that's about as unlikely as your favourite gf spontaneously cloning

17:11:14 thestringpuller: err bitcoin blockchain forks in 2014

17:11:16 mircea_popescu: i mean... bacteria do it...

17:11:20 nubbins`: full album, not acapella, w/e

17:11:23 nubbins`: grow up and listen to it

17:11:32 ThickAsThieves: i argue that you are wrong because it is already the case

17:11:36 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller that;s actually a good bet.

17:11:38 ThickAsThieves: litecoin being a btc fork

17:11:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 7 @ 0.09008572 = 0.6306 BTC [-] {2}

17:11:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2020 @ 0.00005446 = 0.11 BTC [-] {2}

17:11:48 mircea_popescu: i thought you meant blockchain fork

17:11:51 mircea_popescu: not software fork

17:12:02 ThickAsThieves: i did, as an example that it's also possible

17:12:06 ThickAsThieves: however unlikely it may be

17:12:16 ThickAsThieves: i personally dont find it to be THAT impossible

17:12:17 mircea_popescu: so is the cloning gf.

17:12:24 pankkake: they'd both call the other one the altcoin

17:12:30 pankkake: one would be named "the real bitcoin"

17:12:31 mircea_popescu: it'd resolve within a week.

17:12:34 pankkake: the other "the realest bitcoin"

17:12:48 ThickAsThieves: bitcoin red and bitcoin black

17:12:50 ThickAsThieves: or such

17:13:00 pankkake: probably over issuing a block of 100000 BTC for a bailout

17:13:00 nubbins`: like the original ghostbusters vs the real ghostbusters

17:13:13 mircea_popescu: pankkake nah, that'd make it clear which is the wrong one

17:13:18 mircea_popescu: and it'd sink within days

17:13:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.14360952 BTC [-]

17:13:45 ThickAsThieves: http://coinmarketcap.com/

17:13:46 ozbot: Crypto-Currency Market Capitalizations | Bitcoin Litecoin Peercoin Namecoin Primecoin Feathercoin No

17:13:54 ThickAsThieves: look, millions in several coins

17:14:10 pankkake: feathercoin +50%, lel

17:14:12 mircea_popescu: you have to appreciate the following mechanism : if there's a blockchain fork, the two forks can be sold and bought independently.

17:14:22 pankkake: infinitecoin has a better progression than litecoin

17:14:23 ThickAsThieves: exactly

17:14:23 mircea_popescu: everyone has an incentive to sell the loser RIGHT NOW while the price is still good

17:14:28 mircea_popescu: nobody has any incentive to wait.

17:14:40 mircea_popescu: so the sinking of the identifiably bad chain will flash.

17:14:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.085 = 0.17 BTC [-]

17:14:46 ThickAsThieves: what about the people on the winning side?

17:14:50 ThickAsThieves: they should wait, no?

17:14:52 mircea_popescu: if there's doubt it may linger, but it is possibly the most unstable situation in naturel.

17:15:04 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves you're always on both sides of a fork. by definition.

17:15:07 mircea_popescu: gotta sell one.

17:15:27 ThickAsThieves: what of the circumstance creates that uncertainty

17:15:29 ThickAsThieves: if

17:15:43 mircea_popescu: it will still resolve, because the slightest randomness will amplify

17:15:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.14300001 BTC [-]

17:15:50 mircea_popescu: it may come down to which gets a 1hr block firsty

17:15:57 mircea_popescu: or something like that, but it will resolve.

17:16:01 pankkake: there's a blockchain fork of bitcoin already, the bitcoin-scrypt thing

17:16:02 ThickAsThieves: maybe so

17:16:33 ThickAsThieves: however none of this leads back to LTC arguments being fraudulent

17:16:48 ThickAsThieves: as the article suggest

17:16:49 ThickAsThieves: s

17:16:50 mircea_popescu: this is all a discussion of a blockchain fork, not of a software fork

17:16:54 mircea_popescu: software forks are quite stable.

17:17:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2700 @ 0.00008188 = 0.2211 BTC [+] {3}

17:18:40 ThickAsThieves: heh

17:18:55 ThickAsThieves: is that the HIF opening trade?

17:19:11 nubbins`: oh my!

17:19:14 nubbins`: forgot about that

17:19:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.3612 BTC [-]

17:19:50 nubbins`: opening trade: 2013-11-27 12:06:31 2000 ฿0.00002500 ฿0.0500

17:19:54 deadweasel: time to start truly mining bitcoins: http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/nov/27/hard-drive-bitcoin-landfill-site

17:20:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4767 @ 0.00084209 = 4.0142 BTC [+]

17:20:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 4 @ 0.119975 = 0.4799 BTC [+] {2}

17:20:58 nubbins`: there appears to be a large amount of fail happening with HIF

17:21:14 nubbins`: people not counting their zeroes

17:21:24 mircea_popescu: that's an endemic problem.

17:21:27 pankkake: HIF: High Investement Failure

17:22:21 nubbins`: turns out leading zeroes ARE significant if they're on the right-hand side of the decimal

17:22:32 nubbins`: seriously, the first trade was at 5% of ipo price

17:22:46 nubbins`: my sides

17:22:58 mircea_popescu: wait what ?!

17:23:00 nubbins`: YES

17:23:01 ThickAsThieves: maybe that;s fair value

17:23:04 nubbins`: https://www.havelockinvestments.com/order.php?symbol=HIF

17:23:05 mircea_popescu: ouch.

17:23:08 pankkake: I'm not even sure

17:23:56 pankkake: Humongous Investment Fraud

17:23:57 mircea_popescu: well in fairness s.dice got sold once into i don't recall but sometjhing like that, 10% of avg.

17:24:15 mircea_popescu: that was a 10k btc loss or thereabouts for the hapless author.

17:24:19 nubbins`: you can almost hear the screams of anguish

17:24:32 nubbins`: math, important

17:24:40 ThickAsThieves: and a huge gain for the bidder, cuz it was probly the week before closing

17:24:48 ThickAsThieves: and the bidder was probly erik

17:24:56 mircea_popescu: nah, it was a month ior so after listing

17:24:57 markedathome: 7500btc

17:25:02 ThickAsThieves: oh

17:25:03 mircea_popescu: the buyer(s) ? made ouyt like bandits

17:25:14 ThickAsThieves: i recall some great buys before closing too

17:25:18 ThickAsThieves: the week before

17:25:23 nubbins`: yeah, there was a spell there

17:25:27 mircea_popescu: 20ish something yeah

17:26:24 ThickAsThieves: too bad no one would sell off xbond before closing :(

17:26:46 pankkake: well, hadn't I held it, I would have told you to fake financial difficulties

17:26:53 ThickAsThieves: haha

17:26:56 pankkake: or just hint

17:27:01 ThickAsThieves: i just couldnt

17:27:14 mircea_popescu: kinda scummy thing to do.

17:27:23 nubbins`: scumbag asset manager

17:27:31 nubbins`: where's that burberry baseball cap...

17:27:34 ThickAsThieves: very landlordian

17:27:49 nubbins`: like a landlord from a dickens novel

17:27:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 70 @ 0.0035 = 0.245 BTC [-] {2}

17:28:22 nubbins`: can i just say that i had no idea how much having a safety deposit box makes you feel like a baller?

17:28:37 ThickAsThieves: LOL

17:28:37 nubbins`: srsly, special privacy rooms and shit

17:28:40 ThickAsThieves: oops caps

17:28:56 nubbins`: "i'll just give you some privacy, mr keefe"

17:28:57 mircea_popescu: i wonder how long before google starts running its own blockchain

17:28:59 ThickAsThieves: hmm OneFixt is calling a drop to 760, 600

17:29:05 ThickAsThieves: pretty bold

17:29:06 mircea_popescu: in order to be able to serve queries like google 2bce51603d490da5a76b56a8f36665b26ed9a4cc1da24e5eedf1101a25d96155

17:29:13 nubbins`: hm

17:29:17 nubbins`: probably only a matter of time

17:29:18 pankkake: why would they need something decentralized?

17:29:25 nubbins`: you can already do a crazy amount of stuff via google

17:29:44 ThickAsThieves: maybe they find way to circumvent NSA via blockchain

17:30:07 mircea_popescu: the blockchain ios such a poor messaging protocol./

17:30:14 pankkake: actually bitcoin is more, it's trustless

17:30:25 ThickAsThieves: more likely,

17:30:26 pankkake: and google could trust all its nodes

17:30:33 ThickAsThieves: theyll start gathering data on BTC addresses

17:30:38 ThickAsThieves: to start tagging them

17:30:41 deadweasel: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

17:30:43 nubbins`: https://www.google.ca/search?q=once+in+a+blue+moon+*+number+of+horns+on+a+unicorn

17:30:45 deadweasel: sry

17:31:17 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves all data is already gathered ya know ?

17:31:17 ThickAsThieves: 1Gkjhkf456KGHFrtds449875t85 addy will have "like cat videos" "shops at newegg" etc

17:31:22 pankkake: what's this blue moon thing?

17:31:40 nubbins`: actual lunar occurrence

17:31:44 nubbins`: https://www.google.ca/search?q=the+answer+to+life%2C+the+universe+and+everything+*+the+loneliest+number

17:31:47 nubbins`: and so on

17:32:04 pankkake: oh, sad 1 :/

17:32:07 nubbins`: D:

17:33:21 ThickAsThieves: how is it not worth $7.5m to dig up a 4-foot deep football field?

17:33:21 nubbins`: https://www.google.ca/search?q=a+baker's+dozen+%2F+once+in+a+blue+moon

17:33:39 nubbins`: well, it's an active landfill

17:33:44 nubbins`: he's probably not allowed

17:33:49 ThickAsThieves: he talks like he is

17:34:02 ThickAsThieves: he basically says he doesnt feel like it

17:34:02 nubbins`: maybe he should rent an excavator like he is

17:34:14 nubbins`: i mean, how would you ever find it anyway

17:34:38 nubbins`: you'd literally have to sort through every piece of trash

17:34:39 ThickAsThieves: well you put everything on a conveyor back into the dump

17:34:48 ThickAsThieves: and stand there every day

17:34:55 nubbins`: every empty potato chip bag, every shitty diaper

17:35:12 nubbins`: and then at the end you find a smashed hard drive covered in dog vomit

17:35:23 nubbins`: and thusly commit your body to the dump

17:35:27 mircea_popescu: that drive is gone

17:35:30 nubbins`: as a final gesture of anguish

17:35:41 mircea_popescu: andthe story smells like attention whoring tbh.

17:35:48 ThickAsThieves: probly

17:36:02 deadweasel: yup

17:36:04 ThickAsThieves: but those coins are probly $20m or whatever next week...

17:36:06 nubbins`: "hard luck, plz donate to 1TotallyDidntMakeStoryUp92837

17:36:08 nubbins`: "

17:36:40 pankkake: even if fake I'm sure that story happenned elsewhere or will

17:36:46 pankkake: but no one will talk about it

17:37:03 nubbins`: pretty much broadcasting your idiocy to the world

17:37:10 nubbins`: why not just use the forums, amirite?

17:37:18 ThickAsThieves: i coulda been a contender!

17:37:25 mircea_popescu: lol nubbins` has it.

17:37:33 nubbins`: (snare x2, crash x1)

17:37:50 ThickAsThieves: badoom tsssss

17:38:03 nubbins`: http://instantrimshot.com/

17:38:04 ozbot: Welcome to Instant Rimshot

17:38:47 pankkake: on the french forum one guy claimed to have many bitcoins but password protected and he forgot it

17:38:49 nubbins`: y'know, i didn't really intend for this to be my nick

17:38:56 pankkake: but at the time wallet encryption didn't exist

17:39:03 nubbins`: i wanted to post something on the forums and just signed up with the first word that popped into my head

17:39:04 pankkake: and he wouldn't reply on what he used to encrypt it

17:39:15 nubbins`: pankkake: winzip ;)

17:39:29 pankkake: hehe, well, if it was, it would be so easily recoverable

17:39:43 nubbins`: WAIT YOU CAN CRACK WINZIP PASSWORDS?!!?!?

17:39:52 deadweasel: ya

17:39:58 deadweasel: srs?

17:40:00 pankkake: the old algorithms are pretty bad IIRC

17:40:04 nubbins`: not srs

17:40:07 ThickAsThieves: so in 2020 will we have treasure hunters scowering the earth for computers trashed in 2011, 2012

17:40:14 deadweasel: :D

17:40:46 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves they all go to africa

17:40:54 mircea_popescu: so yet another reason for those ppl to import old hardware.

17:40:59 deadweasel: fuck, better get started now! i could start getting togbether an ultrasonic profile of laptop drive matching the model... maybe I could find it.

17:41:22 ThickAsThieves: well i'd approach it dmeographically first

17:41:25 deadweasel: although I'd also hav eto know the profile of every piece of shitty garbage

17:41:39 ThickAsThieves: try to pinpoint hubs of people likely to have mined somehow

17:41:56 ThickAsThieves: like maybe all these PCs are still in garages

17:42:05 ThickAsThieves: since no one throws their PCs away

17:42:09 ThickAsThieves: or in thrift stores

17:42:17 ThickAsThieves: salvation armies and such

17:42:20 mircea_popescu: thrift store owner, the job of the future.

17:42:25 deadweasel: you should run a computer disposal service that only accepts btc!

17:42:38 ThickAsThieves: thats not right

17:42:46 ThickAsThieves: wrong audience

17:42:53 nubbins`: people pay to dispose of computers?

17:43:15 deadweasel: not very much, but yes, they have to. enviro terror otherwise

17:43:30 nubbins`: have to != do

17:43:42 nubbins`: you "have to" pay $50 to throw an old television away

17:43:54 nubbins`: but people just toss 'em into the bins at the dump anyway

17:43:58 deadweasel: big companies pay, individuals won't

17:44:21 nubbins`: yeah, fair enough

17:44:23 deadweasel: they do, don't they? i forget how much garbage is actually sorted.

17:44:41 nubbins`: depends on the region

17:44:41 deadweasel: i lived on a landfill for a few weeks. reclaimed section with exotic wildlife on it, mind you.

17:44:47 ThickAsThieves: this really has to be the dumps problem

17:44:59 nubbins`: they decided to build the dump at the edge of the ocean here

17:45:02 pankkake: I still use a 15 year old computer!

17:45:08 pankkake: I'm like totally environmental

17:45:09 nubbins`: there's a lovely section of the East Coast Trail that runs right past it

17:45:17 nubbins`: woods littered with teeny tiny bits of plastic

17:45:28 nubbins`: and a big sign at the end that says "why not use less plastic bags?"

17:45:30 markedathome: so new money making scheme is to buy every corporate hd on ebay to see if they have bitcoin wallets?

17:45:38 ThickAsThieves: lol the thing is so old it couldnt pass a an emissions inspection probly

17:45:51 deadweasel: plastic bags were a bane, I basically went around picking them up all day so animals wouldn't choke.

17:46:15 nubbins`: plastic bags are moronically wasteful

17:47:02 mircea_popescu: http://liberationbc.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/turtle-caught-in-plastic-ring.jpg

17:47:53 pankkake: works with humans too https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/03/Kayan_woman_with_neck_rings.jpg

17:47:57 mircea_popescu: In 2009, marine biologists with Disney?s Animal Programs in Melbourne Beach, Florida, discovered a green sea turtle that was having trouble digesting food. They found that a piece of plastic had lodged in the turtle?s gastrointestinal tract. When biologists removed the obstruction, the turtle defecated 74 foreign objects in the subsequent month. Among the items documented were four types of latex balloons, five dif

17:47:57 mircea_popescu: ferent types of string, nine different types of soft plastic, four different types of hard plastic, a piece of carpet-like material, and two tar balls to boot.

17:48:19 pankkake: :/

17:48:35 pankkake: I hate litterers

17:48:51 mircea_popescu: tar balls!

17:49:03 ThickAsThieves: that turtle has a strange appetite

17:49:05 nubbins`: yeah

17:49:06 deadweasel: that is documented it nearly every living animal these days, some sort of plastic.

17:49:10 nubbins`: not even dogs are that stupid

17:49:14 nubbins`: seriously, tar balls

17:49:16 pankkake: tar balls, that's unixe

17:49:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 34 @ 0.0035 = 0.119 BTC [-]

17:49:21 deadweasel: they eat shit

17:49:27 deadweasel: tar balls surprise?

17:49:36 nubbins`: at least shit was food at some point

17:49:56 deadweasel: it is a pretty cool looking turtle mind you.

17:50:01 nubbins`: nod

17:50:12 deadweasel: baddonkadonk

17:50:15 nubbins`: given the choice, i'm sure he'd rather have skipped the corsetry tho

17:50:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.3612 = 2.5284 BTC [-]

17:50:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 35 @ 0.0034312 = 0.1201 BTC [-]

17:50:34 deadweasel: most women ofthe 18th century would have too.

17:50:37 deadweasel: but fuck'em

17:50:41 deadweasel: and butt fuck'em

17:50:54 deadweasel: because btc @1000!

17:50:57 pankkake: AM100 is now worth 1 LTC!

17:51:00 mircea_popescu: lmao all this hating.

17:51:08 pankkake: oh now, a zero more

17:51:09 deadweasel: i'm loving

17:51:17 pankkake: sorry for my havelockism

17:51:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.35977076 = 3.9575 BTC [-] {3}

17:51:55 ThickAsThieves: ;;ticker

17:51:58 gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 1061.00001, Best ask: 1066.92478, Bid-ask spread: 5.92477, Last trade: 1066.99997, 24 hour volume: 33579.21896322, 24 hour low: 882.00001, 24 hour high: 1073.0, 24 hour vwap: 970.64069

17:52:13 mike_c: HIF market cap yesterday: 1,100 btc. today: 120 btc. ouch.

17:52:20 ThickAsThieves: ;;bids 1000

17:52:22 gribble: There are currently 1157.0369 bitcoins demanded at or over 1000.0 USD, worth 1181926.43421 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.1184 seconds

17:53:14 nubbins`: mike_c: still not really sure if it's people legit selling or just not counting zeroes

17:53:15 nubbins`: like

17:53:23 pankkake: gotta catch 'em all

17:53:26 nubbins`: why the fuck would you buy something and then IMMEDIATELY sell it for 10% of its value?

17:53:34 nubbins`: without even waiting a couple of hours?

17:53:48 pankkake: panic, ragequit?

17:54:05 mike_c: there are ~10 btc worth of asks at least below ipo price on the books right now

17:54:45 nubbins`: yeah

17:54:47 nubbins`: boggles

17:54:50 ThickAsThieves: everyone that wants it bought it

17:55:21 mike_c: the ipo investors must not know about dollar cost averaging ;)

17:56:14 nubbins`: i guess if the shiny doesn't double in value immediately, it's better to take a 90% loss?

17:56:16 ThickAsThieves: what was raised initially? did someone say 1100?

17:56:26 mike_c: that was market cap

17:56:31 ThickAsThieves: so less

17:56:33 mike_c: yeah

17:56:55 nubbins`: ~1.75mn shares i think

17:57:06 nubbins`: 1.25 at 0.0005

17:57:23 mike_c: 933 btc raised

17:57:33 ThickAsThieves: word

17:57:34 ThickAsThieves: thx

17:57:58 ThickAsThieves: almost $1m

17:58:00 mike_c: ;;calc 1.25 * 0.0005 + .467 * 0.00066

17:58:00 gribble: 0.00093322

17:58:00 pankkake: not enough to do a realsolid

17:58:10 mike_c: that times 1000

17:58:19 mike_c: er, 1m

17:58:38 mike_c: ;;calc 1.25 * 0.0005 + .467 * 0.00066 * 1000000

17:58:38 gribble: 308.220625

17:58:47 mike_c: ;;calc (1.25 * 0.0005 + .467 * 0.00066) * 1000000

17:58:47 gribble: 933.22

17:58:50 mike_c: there

17:59:58 nubbins`: i dunno, i honestly think people just saw a "7" in the bid column

18:00:03 nubbins`: said "profit!"

18:00:09 nubbins`: and sold without checking numbers

18:00:24 mike_c: yeah.. that's what happens when you don't have a 30 btc entry fee

18:00:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.3537777 BTC [-]

18:00:53 ThickAsThieves: while i would invest in Havelock, it would not be at the original price

18:01:07 pankkake: so what's your buy order at?

18:01:08 mike_c: you don't think its worth $1m?

18:01:20 mike_c: not much faith then.

18:01:29 ThickAsThieves: well 1.75m shares is like 1.75% of company right?

18:01:41 mike_c: ah

18:01:54 mike_c: really? so their market cap thing is completely off?

18:02:03 ThickAsThieves: it only counts issued shares

18:02:09 mike_c: wow. that's misleading.

18:02:21 nubbins`: is it tho

18:02:48 mike_c: topace: what's the rationale there?

18:02:57 ThickAsThieves: so in that sense i'm not sure the buy orders are ridiculous at all

18:03:08 ThickAsThieves: maybe even overpaying still

18:03:26 ThickAsThieves: depends on your valuation

18:03:43 nubbins`: i am interested to see how this "50 new funds" thing works out for them

18:03:50 nubbins`: pretty skeptical

18:03:55 mike_c: um, which valuation only counts 2% of the shares?

18:04:07 pankkake: my interpretation is "50 guys sent a mail to get listed"

18:04:07 mike_c: and calls that "market cap"

18:04:17 pankkake: not "50 funds will go live asap"

18:05:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.145 BTC [+]

18:05:42 nubbins`: mike_c: i guess they mean "this particular market" ;p

18:06:19 ThickAsThieves: market cap probly shouldnt be displayed at all

18:06:23 mike_c: yeah, but, how can he justify redefining the words he uses?

18:06:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.35177001 BTC [-]

18:06:36 nubbins`: people do it all the time

18:06:42 nubbins`: see: "geniune" windows

18:06:44 ThickAsThieves: for example market cap is meaningless for a PT

18:07:04 mike_c: market cap for a PT should be the market cap of the underlying.

18:07:20 ThickAsThieves: so you index all places it sells and sum the value?

18:07:28 ThickAsThieves: and then you average any not on market?

18:07:36 pankkake: how would that work for, say, AM100?

18:07:42 mike_c: yes. vwap * fully diluted shares

18:07:46 ThickAsThieves: and shares on 796.com

18:07:46 assbot: 123!

18:07:59 ThickAsThieves: and auctions

18:08:00 ThickAsThieves: etc

18:08:06 nubbins`: still trying to figure out what triggers "123!"

18:08:14 ThickAsThieves: both ways of showing market cap are useful info

18:08:19 ThickAsThieves: but context is required

18:08:21 pankkake: nubbins`: 796

18:08:21 assbot: 123!

18:08:29 nubbins`: ah, heh

18:08:37 nubbins`: it's happened to me a few times today

18:08:38 ThickAsThieves: ABC

18:08:42 ThickAsThieves: boo

18:08:56 nubbins`: AM is a poor example

18:08:59 pankkake: it happens with large numbers, it's silly

18:10:01 nubbins`: total noob question here, but are there any traditional assets that are traded simultaneously on, say, NYSE/LSE/TSE?

18:11:01 nubbins`: that's at least a starting point for this question of market cap

18:11:31 mike_c: no. we can argue over how to calculate the "price", but market cap is price * # of shares.

18:11:38 nubbins`: and i'm not talking like coca cola canada being listed on toronto stock exchange, i mean the exact same company

18:11:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.35177 = 1.4071 BTC [-]

18:11:49 mike_c: there are 20,000,000 shares of havelock

18:11:54 mike_c: not 1.9

18:12:03 ThickAsThieves: no

18:12:08 nubbins`: sure, i'm talking about AM now

18:12:10 pankkake: I think there is even assets traded in multiple currencies, like HSBC

18:12:20 mike_c: tat, show me any definition of market cap that is different from this.

18:12:33 nubbins`: sure, but is that the same HSBC or is it regional companies?

18:12:35 ThickAsThieves: i was disagreeing with the 20m

18:12:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.35073366 = 1.0522 BTC [-] {3}

18:12:44 ThickAsThieves: the shares represent a portion of the company

18:12:48 ThickAsThieves: not 100%

18:13:01 mike_c: HavelockInvestments.com will offer a total of 20,000,000 units.

18:13:01 mike_c: 15,000,000 (75%) will be restricted units held privately by the owners of the Fund

18:13:01 mike_c: 5,000,000 (25%) will be floated via the exchange

18:13:24 mike_c: not all 5m sold, so fully diluted ~ 17m units

18:13:28 pankkake: well I learned about it in http://ordrespontane.blogspot.com/2013/09/un-peu-de-magie.html and it seems to be the same (it talks about arbitrage basically. sorry for the French)

18:13:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.35003334 = 1.0501 BTC [-] {2}

18:13:48 ThickAsThieves: one sec

18:13:52 ThickAsThieves: i wanna quote it

18:14:15 ThickAsThieves: This offer will represent Twenty Percent (20%) in virtual units of the HavlockInvestments.com which is comprised in total of 100,000,000 units of the Fund. These units will never be diluted.

18:15:01 pankkake: they're already pretty diluted. homeopathic shares

18:15:05 mike_c: hm, i got my quote from their prospectus. where is yours from?

18:15:15 mike_c: oh

18:15:17 ThickAsThieves: page 2

18:15:32 mike_c: but that is authorized, not issued

18:15:37 mike_c: 17mm issued

18:15:38 mike_c: ?

18:15:50 ThickAsThieves: 20,000,000 of 100m issued

18:15:56 ThickAsThieves: 1.75m actually sold

18:16:03 ThickAsThieves: so

18:16:04 mike_c: yeah, 16.75mm

18:16:07 ThickAsThieves: the market cap you see

18:16:11 ThickAsThieves: represents only those

18:16:16 topace: ^ correct

18:16:20 mike_c: not correct :)

18:16:35 mike_c: fully diluted is 16.75mm, yes?

18:16:47 ThickAsThieves: no

18:16:59 mike_c: ... because i sez so?

18:17:04 ThickAsThieves: it says in the quote there 100m shares man

18:17:30 ThickAsThieves: only the ones sold in the IPO are publically traded

18:17:43 topace: there are 100m shares, 20m shares _will_ be on havelock eventually, 15m held privately on havelock, 5m floated. so far the 15m have not been allocated on havelock

18:17:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 13 @ 0.35 = 4.55 BTC [-]

18:17:49 ThickAsThieves: i'm not clear on whether Havelock can issue the 5m or 20m remainder anytime

18:18:16 ThickAsThieves: sounds like they can

18:18:34 topace: we'll likely re-try the remainder of the second tranche in a few weeks

18:18:47 ThickAsThieves: at a new price or?

18:18:48 topace: once we get a couple other companies listed

18:18:54 topace: price TBD

18:18:57 nubbins`: should change the charts to show # of shares issued rather than price

18:19:02 nubbins`: to the moon!

18:19:14 mike_c: ok, so dividends.. they will be divided by 1.75 mm? the other 15mm get nothing right now?

18:19:17 ThickAsThieves: i agree the market cap stat could be better displayed

18:19:43 ThickAsThieves: i think just remove it from home page

18:19:58 ThickAsThieves: and have it on charts page and order page with better tag

18:20:18 mike_c: it says dividends will be divided by 100mm, but that doesn't make sense if no one owns 80mm of the units

18:20:21 topace: dividend goes to all 100m shares

18:20:27 ThickAsThieves: or show like 1750000/20000000/10000000 or whatever

18:20:51 mike_c: ok, you can't say the market cap is for 1.75m shares, but dividends are for 100m.

18:21:19 nubbins`: if i buy a previously unpurchased share a year from now, am i entitled to past dividends?

18:21:22 mike_c: and where the hell does 80% of the dividend go if nobody owns those units?

18:21:30 ThickAsThieves: nubbins be trollin

18:21:42 ThickAsThieves: it goes to operational

18:22:11 nubbins`: D;

18:22:20 mike_c: so to be clear: 15% of dividend to owners. 2% to shareholders. 83% to the company ledger.

18:22:31 topace: the panama fund owns 80m units, but since the ipo didnt sell out, it actually holds ~83.3m units still.

18:23:24 mike_c: i don't see how you can tell a potential shareholder "the market cap is based on 1.675m shares, but the dividend based on 100m"

18:23:48 ThickAsThieves: attack on 1000!

18:24:13 ThickAsThieves: its a misnomer

18:24:20 ThickAsThieves: its simply not the market cap

18:24:29 mike_c: yes. misnomer is a euphamism

18:24:32 ThickAsThieves: its the value of available shares

18:24:34 mike_c: it's wrong..

18:24:52 ThickAsThieves: 1000 lost :(

18:24:57 ThickAsThieves: sorry mp

18:25:11 ThickAsThieves: how long agao did i say 4 hours?

18:25:21 nubbins`: less than 4 hours ago

18:25:32 ThickAsThieves: 3.5hrs ago

18:26:19 ThickAsThieves: someone just retired

18:26:40 thestringpuller: ;;ticker

18:26:40 gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 986.03, Best ask: 988.0, Bid-ask spread: 1.97000, Last trade: 983.0, 24 hour volume: 35414.56194001, 24 hour low: 882.15001, 24 hour high: 1073.0, 24 hour vwap: 974.31508

18:26:47 nubbins`: or went to space with their friends

18:27:09 nubbins`: ah, lel. interesting time to be alive

18:27:14 nubbins`: isn't it?

18:27:37 ThickAsThieves: yes

18:27:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.143 BTC [-]

18:28:03 mike_c: topace, i am a fan, not a troll. you should remove that # from the site.. TaT seems to agree.

18:28:40 mike_c: </rant>

18:28:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.13100005 BTC [-]

18:35:24 ThickAsThieves: ;;ticker

18:35:24 gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 935.67, Best ask: 945.0, Bid-ask spread: 9.33000, Last trade: 935.67, 24 hour volume: 38662.60385149, 24 hour low: 883.00002, 24 hour high: 1073.0, 24 hour vwap: 972.80215

18:38:32 mike_c: prediction: tomorrow there will be 42 new articles about how volatile bitcoin is.

18:41:03 pankkake: we need a bitcoin spokeperson to stabilize the price

18:41:07 pankkake: our own bernanke

18:42:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1005 @ 0.00025074 = 0.252 BTC [+] {2}

18:42:37 pankkake: so we can know when to buy without ruining freedom

18:44:07 pankkake: http://btcwarn.com/ is usually a great service but these days it's useless, I get many mails and all are usually already outdated once they arrive

18:44:08 ozbot: BTCWarn.com -- Get Notified of BitCoin Price Changes

18:44:45 asciilifeform: can you say 'front running'? i knew you could!

18:52:39 ThickAsThieves: hmm, no AM divs yet today

18:52:41 ThickAsThieves: scam!

18:53:34 pankkake: AM seized by chinese gov

18:53:52 kakobrekla: ;;seen mircea_popescu

18:53:52 gribble: mircea_popescu was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 hour, 2 minutes, and 52 seconds ago: <mircea_popescu> lmao all this hating.

18:53:56 kakobrekla: bah

18:54:05 kakobrekla: ah hes back

18:54:07 mircea_popescu: lol

18:54:10 ThickAsThieves: kako he just

18:54:13 ThickAsThieves: :)

18:54:19 kakobrekla: did he just joined??

18:54:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.35 = 1.4 BTC [-]

18:54:23 ThickAsThieves: hehe

18:54:25 kakobrekla: i dont see joins and parts

18:54:27 pankkake: oh you ignore joins

18:54:32 kakobrekla: yea

18:54:34 pankkake: that's what you get for being silly

18:54:44 TomServo: "Bitcoin will stay above $1000 for the rest of 2013" The shortest bitbet ever?

18:54:56 ThickAsThieves: it actually got made?

18:55:08 pankkake: bitbet never loses an occasion to scam

18:55:20 mircea_popescu: TomServo wrong expiry on it. should be redone

18:55:31 ThickAsThieves: ;;ticker

18:55:32 gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 993.0, Best ask: 995.0, Bid-ask spread: 2.00000, Last trade: 993.0, 24 hour volume: 41434.49020845, 24 hour low: 890.0, 24 hour high: 1073.0, 24 hour vwap: 973.35555

18:55:59 ThickAsThieves: maybe wait til its 1000 again for more than 4 hours

18:56:02 ThickAsThieves: :)

18:56:36 mircea_popescu: nubbins`:

18:56:36 mircea_popescu: total noob question here, but are there any traditional assets that are traded simultaneously on, say, NYSE/LSE/TSE? << depositary receipts are used

18:56:42 mircea_popescu: so rthings like bp trade in europe and the us.

18:56:47 mircea_popescu: it's practically a pt system tho.

18:57:13 pankkake: eheh, btctctc used "depositary receipts" in its last days

18:57:48 BingoBoingo: I believe I fixed the specs for my BFL versus Active Miner submission using https://products.butterflylabs.com/homepage-new-products/600-gh-bitcoin-mining-card.html and http://virtualminingcorp.com/shop1/index.php?id_product=23&controller=product

18:58:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 56 @ 0.00194153 = 0.1087 BTC [-] {4}

18:58:34 pankkake: BingoBoingo: did you see my previous submission of the same bet?

18:58:59 pankkake: the desc is cut so I can't see what you did in case of none of them delivering

18:59:13 BingoBoingo: pankkake: Not really. How thoroughly did you try to spec it?

19:00:02 pankkake: BingoBoingo: http://pastebin.com/mdhGxhzP

19:00:21 pankkake: I excluded shareholders for VMC

19:00:37 pankkake: and specs are quite generous, it wast mostly about at least shipping something

19:00:48 pankkake: it was rejected because of last line

19:00:51 pankkake: "draws suck"

19:01:06 pankkake: interesting that you had the same idea

19:01:38 pankkake: I see that as a "Cripple Fight"

19:01:51 BingoBoingo: pankkake: Well, draws do suck. The solution is the bet has to fail as No, and bettors have to price accordingly for that.

19:02:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7500 @ 0.00083754 = 6.2816 BTC [-] {2}

19:02:48 pankkake: but then you can't really have a live estimate of which company sucks more

19:03:04 pankkake: and if both doen't ship, no winners, but lot of lols

19:03:21 pankkake: perhaps lols aren't worth 1% fee

19:03:37 mike_c: soccer (er, futbol) lines resolve 3 ways. maybe 'draw' should be a betting option.

19:03:41 BingoBoingo: pankkake: Well if you truly believe it is a cripple fight, the solution is bet No and wait for March 1st

19:04:33 pankkake: I feel like BFL will ship first, though the lols provided would be payment enough

19:06:34 BingoBoingo: pankkake: Well you chose the same yes side I did. I'm not sure activeminer is even as much of a thing so I placed it as no with them both not delivering hoping it might get action at least as a BFL delivery bet.

19:07:17 mircea_popescu: mike_c soccer sucks.

19:07:21 mircea_popescu: (for that reason)

19:07:42 pankkake: well the order website states november delivery

19:07:58 pankkake: so logically, VMC should ship before BFL announcing december

19:08:06 mike_c: well, as long as all possibilites are reasonable, it doesn't have to suck. horse races are parimutuel and have 8-12 outcomes

19:08:19 pankkake: MP logic "it doesn't work on my system, so it sucks"

19:10:08 BingoBoingo: pankkake: Well the butthurt from the ActiveMining fans that their being delivered pays as no delivery at all should lead to some entertaining butthurt, and what is Bitcoin without Butt?

19:10:19 pankkake: exactly

19:13:23 mircea_popescu: pankkake hater.

19:14:12 mircea_popescu: mike_c we are looking into perhaps making multi bets, it's not too hard to do, but tbh the mindfuck may be too much for the userbase.

19:14:19 pankkake: I don't know if I could fix myself to be less of a hater. I regularly fail

19:14:55 pankkake: a good idea would probably to find out actual interesting bets that would need it

19:15:08 mircea_popescu: that too.

19:15:25 mircea_popescu: soccer still sucks, becauyse "draw" is fucking meaningless.

19:15:34 mircea_popescu: nevertheless, a horse race say, should have a win for each horse

19:15:46 mircea_popescu: just... not much horse racing in btc. since the demise of the satoshi demon gal.

19:17:58 mike_c: agree with the mindfuck aspect of the problem. reject/accept bet ratio could get way out of wack.

19:18:40 mircea_popescu: for one. for the other, i'd have a "but i meant to bet on x3, misclicked bet on x5, bitbet is a scam now" stuff

19:18:47 mircea_popescu: on top of all the current.

19:18:59 mike_c: yeah, but that just drives more traffic as far as i can tell.

19:19:08 mircea_popescu: so far at least.

19:19:28 mircea_popescu: still, you know. contrary to what the forum would have itself think, bitbet is designed to prevent as much of this as possible

19:19:33 pankkake: the bet address page restates the bet

19:19:35 mircea_popescu: which includes waiting fucking hours to close bets etc.

19:19:54 mircea_popescu: pankkake people never read restatements. because it's below them to do such humiliating thing.

19:20:08 pankkake: I always do it because I'm a careful paranoid person

19:20:21 mircea_popescu: makes you weird.

19:23:08 thestringpuller: ;;ticker

19:23:09 gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 985.0, Best ask: 986.9, Bid-ask spread: 1.90000, Last trade: 985.0, 24 hour volume: 42381.76664170, 24 hour low: 894.0, 24 hour high: 1073.0, 24 hour vwap: 974.96278

19:23:42 mircea_popescu: o wow it retraced

19:23:51 mircea_popescu: thanks god i didn't have a bet with anyone or anything.

19:23:59 ThickAsThieves: :)

19:24:02 mircea_popescu: lol

19:24:06 ThickAsThieves: i spared you

19:24:23 mircea_popescu: fucking bet went in with a closure date in nov 2014

19:24:53 ThickAsThieves: bitbet savings bank

19:25:18 mircea_popescu: and trust.

19:25:22 ThickAsThieves: indeed

19:25:44 mircea_popescu: trust is important.

19:25:58 ThickAsThieves: and forum trust points are even more important

19:26:13 dexX7: are there any cases that people reported scams to the feds and what happend then? pirateat40 excluded

19:26:32 ThickAsThieves: just stories afaik

19:26:40 mircea_popescu: dexX7 the only successful scam resolution that i know of,

19:26:49 dexX7: ty

19:26:50 pankkake: http://bitbet.us/bet/625/btc-will-rise-above-1500-usd-before-february/#c1921

19:26:54 ozbot: BitBet - BTC will rise above $1500 USD before February 2014

19:26:55 kakobrekla: dexX7 pirate beat his wifey and ended up in jail

19:26:57 mircea_popescu: is one case when a forum group organised and got avalon to deliver to them the items ordered by the scammer

19:27:05 dexX7: ah

19:27:05 mircea_popescu: (ian bakewell it was iirc)

19:27:11 dexX7: the guy with the socket

19:27:12 dexX7: yea

19:27:25 mircea_popescu: so you knopw, purely vigilante.

19:27:34 kakobrekla: i knew he was up to no good as soon as i saw HUGO shirt

19:27:35 ThickAsThieves: i didnt know that one

19:27:36 ThickAsThieves: neat

19:27:40 mircea_popescu: the unsuccessful case is, of course, the case of the birtcoinica people, who had their btc sent to mtgox,

19:27:45 mircea_popescu: which is pretty much keeping it.

19:28:25 mircea_popescu: well, what was left of their btc anyway, 15% or whatever it was.

19:29:00 kakobrekla: dont deal with hugo shit people

19:29:06 kakobrekla: shirt

19:29:14 kakobrekla: or and shit too.

19:29:46 mircea_popescu: what's a hugo shirt ?

19:30:32 kakobrekla: http://scammer-ianbakewell.com/assets/ianbakewell_sock.jpg

19:30:36 kakobrekla: hugo boss

19:31:03 mircea_popescu: uh.

19:31:06 mircea_popescu: that's just a tshirt

19:31:16 kakobrekla: the wrong kind of

19:31:24 pankkake: I wouldn't trust people with this shirt either

19:31:45 kakobrekla: pankkake has an eye.

19:31:58 pankkake: I don't trust people who dress in white too

19:32:04 pankkake: worst is white socks

19:32:39 nubbins`: he's actually wearing two hugo boss shirts

19:32:44 kakobrekla: we call people who dress like that "cefurji"

19:33:02 pankkake: two? that's like the multiple popped collar

19:33:05 mircea_popescu: pankkake white looks great on womenz.

19:33:09 mircea_popescu: *that aren't fat

19:33:35 ThickAsThieves: surely pankkake already also has women on his list

19:33:37 pankkake: I have a thing for women dressed in black

19:33:44 pankkake: but yes indeed ThickAsThieves :D

19:33:45 ThickAsThieves: of things not trusted

19:34:44 mircea_popescu: lol scammed.

19:35:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2400 @ 0.00084209 = 2.021 BTC [+]

19:36:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 78 @ 0.00350001 = 0.273 BTC [+] {2}

19:39:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.39074997 = 3.9075 BTC [+] {4}

19:41:14 ThickAsThieves: AM div is reportedly 0.00199664

19:44:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.39799996 BTC [+]

19:46:10 ThickAsThieves: some neat alt hip hop if anyone's interested, like modest mouse rap https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U58euuM_hLU&feature=youtu.be

19:51:19 pankkake: the only hip hop I listen to is dälek, but this is nice

19:56:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 49 @ 0.00226 = 0.1107 BTC [-]

19:57:15 ThickAsThieves: listening to them now, not bad

19:57:56 pankkake: oh I thought you would know them already

19:58:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.39799996 BTC [+]

19:58:25 kakobrekla: iirc there was some bug found in bitmessage which made the whole thing completley insecure

19:58:31 kakobrekla: was dat fixed?

19:59:32 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla iirc was not.

20:02:30 BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: I though that was CryptoCat, I haven't heard about anything like that with BitMessage yet. I've not used Bitmessage though because the people who use it seem way too derpy.

20:03:01 kakobrekla: ah hm possibly

20:03:30 pankkake: cryptocat was broken by design

20:03:37 pankkake: bitmessage had a flaw I forgot which

20:03:53 Apocalyptic: who is using BitMessage here by the way ?

20:04:07 pankkake: I tried to use it, but just leaving it running used too much power

20:04:36 BingoBoingo: Ah, found a writeup on a bitmessage vulnerability http://bitslog.wordpress.com/2012/11/30/bitmessage-completely-broken-crypto/

20:05:50 pankkake: http://www.coindesk.com/votebox-dropbox-datashell-storage/ it's a dropbox for bitcoiners. will their business model be stealing wallet.dats?

20:18:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 68 @ 0.0034326 = 0.2334 BTC [-] {2}

20:22:29 KRS1: i would

20:23:09 KRS1: shiet, its magic internet money nigga

20:25:13 kakobrekla: back to cleartext MSN then!

20:25:58 pankkake: not sure if teenager spelling is cleartext

20:26:05 kakobrekla: lol

20:26:16 kakobrekla: the thing is dead anyway

20:26:28 kakobrekla: merged with skype since ms has the skype keys anyway

20:26:43 pankkake: a part of my childhood, killed by the evil empire

20:27:04 kakobrekla: i used that thing but i was on irc way before

20:27:33 pankkake: hmm that too, but msn was mostly for normal people

20:27:36 pankkake: and well girls

20:27:46 kakobrekla: even when i didnt even have a computer at home

20:28:02 kakobrekla: i was in the library

20:28:05 nubbins`: i was i think 13 when i discovered irc

20:28:05 kakobrekla: on irc

20:28:06 nubbins`: maybe 14

20:28:13 kakobrekla: as long as quota allowed

20:29:16 mircea_popescu: girls were on irc...

20:29:26 mircea_popescu: boys used to play golden axe and deathtrack

20:29:30 mircea_popescu: and girls used to irc.

20:29:48 kakobrekla: the lib was a good place to pick up girls though

20:29:50 pankkake: yeah, actually some girls were on irc

20:29:52 kakobrekla: not the irc

20:29:58 pankkake: and cute ones too

20:30:10 mircea_popescu: well, at that age all girls are cute.

20:30:30 kakobrekla: i admint, i found the current one on irc.

20:30:34 kakobrekla: admit

20:30:38 kakobrekla: minnum

20:30:55 kakobrekla: mininum

20:31:10 kakobrekla: cant even spell the mis-spell

20:31:17 Sebastan: is the purpose of this chatroom to get informed about trades of securities that paid for being tracked here?

20:31:41 kakobrekla: and sex education

20:31:58 pankkake: I think exchanges close before they can implement assbot communication

20:32:03 nubbins`: Sebastan: i'm not sure anyone pays

20:32:25 kakobrekla: pankkake yet it only takes a minute.

20:32:33 Sebastan: so at the end its a chat loosely speaking about bitcoin securities?

20:32:50 pankkake: and personal insecurities

20:32:57 kakobrekla: you dont have to say it like you sound dissapointed

20:33:04 Sebastan: :)

20:33:15 pankkake: if you're looking for trades theres #bitcoin-assets-trades

20:33:19 lyspooner: but we do speak loosely

20:33:22 kakobrekla: best way to find out is to stay around and see, also check the log!

20:33:28 nubbins`: ^

20:33:58 Sebastan: ok...

20:34:18 kakobrekla: follow the links in the topic

20:34:25 kakobrekla: speaking of topic

20:35:15 nubbins`: ;;ticker

20:35:15 gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 1034.1, Best ask: 1039.5, Bid-ask spread: 5.40000, Last trade: 1039.5, 24 hour volume: 37177.24309324, 24 hour low: 914.31556, 24 hour high: 1073.0, 24 hour vwap: 984.54527

20:35:16 Apocalyptic: kako is no longer a shill

20:35:19 mircea_popescu: Sebastan it's the smoking lounge the nyse wishes it had, basically.

20:35:27 mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic he got fired. his shilling sucked.

20:35:38 Apocalyptic: heh

20:35:49 kakobrekla: now i just fwd emails to mp

20:36:11 lyspooner: what is firstblockchain.com? do they have company polo shirts? stress balls?

20:36:24 nubbins`: i don't think it's called a stress ball if you sit on it

20:36:27 pankkake: if any of you tinfoil hats use openbsd, you can now donate to them with bitcoin

20:36:39 nubbins`: orly!

20:36:51 mircea_popescu: lyspooner guy was by earlier.

20:37:05 lyspooner: should i read the log or did you just make fun of him?

20:37:11 nubbins`: "OpenBSD: Only two remote holes in the default install, in a heck of a long time!"

20:38:12 kakobrekla: "Never ever hacked. ~ A block of granit"

20:38:54 mircea_popescu: lyspooner he said nothing.

20:38:56 lyspooner: i can see that it's incorporated in the blockchain, but i can't see what it does

20:39:00 dub: "*BSD: just slam your dick in a door a few times then install debian"

20:40:06 nubbins`: hahaha

20:42:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 6 @ 0.03210208 = 0.1926 BTC [-] {2}

20:43:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 48 @ 0.03104832 = 1.4903 BTC [-] {5}

20:43:16 BingoBoingo: I too once had a stateless corporation, until I opened the box and its state was revealed to as dead. Or maybe it was a cat...

20:43:49 mircea_popescu: a catporation

20:44:10 lyspooner: catpooration

20:44:44 lyspooner: how about proof of existence... is that a nice thing?

20:45:00 lyspooner: like, the website, not the proof that one exists

20:46:22 lyspooner: or how about a more general questions for the group here: are there any bitcoin companies that use the blockchain in unique ways and produce revenue, other than provably fair casinos or notarial services?

20:46:56 mircea_popescu: provably fair gambling is so far the most notable practical use of the blockchain.

20:47:35 lyspooner: can't we extend provable fairness elsewhere and make money?

20:47:43 mircea_popescu: if you do i'll list you.

20:48:34 lyspooner: cool, i like your style

20:48:40 lyspooner: but i'm not nearly that clever

20:49:08 mircea_popescu: there MAY be some use of the blockchain to force distribution of inheritances according to the will of the deceased and without possibility of taxation or other interference

20:50:37 kakobrekla: so with the recent update in btc price, .bit tld seems plausible

20:50:45 kakobrekla: this was discussed before

20:50:51 kakobrekla: nothing happend

20:50:54 mircea_popescu: maybe using something like http://fraudsters.com/2013/the-perfect-escrow/ or maybe something else

20:51:03 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla isn't that what namecoin is all about ?

20:51:19 kakobrekla: yeah but who is going to use that

20:51:21 kakobrekla: :D

20:51:45 mircea_popescu: lol

20:51:52 kakobrekla: you can sell sex.bit for millions allover again

20:52:06 mircea_popescu: it only costs like 1k btc to buy the tld iirc.

20:52:11 kakobrekla: yup

20:52:20 kakobrekla: or was it 10?

20:52:24 kakobrekla: well 1 or 10

20:52:30 mircea_popescu: lol. that may be a business idea, i recall we discussed it earlier this year

20:52:44 kakobrekla: yes it was discussed

20:52:46 mircea_popescu: back when btc was 100 or w/e

20:52:50 kakobrekla: it stuck in my mind a bit.

20:53:02 kakobrekla: see what i did there, pun

20:53:08 mircea_popescu: lol

20:53:10 TomServo: Speaking of tlds, what was with the latest batch? .plumbing? really?

20:53:19 mircea_popescu: TomServo what seriously ? lmao

20:53:21 kakobrekla: sex.plumbing

20:53:24 kakobrekla: works

20:53:33 mircea_popescu: why do you keep wanting to sell sex ?

20:53:38 TomServo: could probably have some fun with them but... wtf

20:53:41 TomServo: justthe.tips

20:53:50 kakobrekla: its the famous domain

20:53:54 mircea_popescu: anal.plumbing would be a much better domain

20:53:57 kakobrekla: that got sold and resold etc

20:54:10 mircea_popescu: and stolen and drama.

20:54:26 kakobrekla: you catch my drift.

20:54:40 ThickAsThieves: snakesarefor.plumbing

20:54:49 mircea_popescu: personally i doubt a new tld is worth the money, but hey.

20:55:03 mircea_popescu: maybe you manage to sell 100k domains for .01 each or so

20:55:07 ThickAsThieves: yeah once you can have all of them, they are all worthless

20:55:12 ThickAsThieves: well, not worthless

20:55:15 ThickAsThieves: but yknow

20:55:17 Venat: bit4x, such money. much earn, believe its bitcoin. many currency, so fair. wow

20:55:28 mircea_popescu: Venat turn the english on

20:55:35 ThickAsThieves: lol

20:55:45 ThickAsThieves: he's Google

20:55:47 mircea_popescu: pankkake ?I?m thinking of selling

20:55:51 ThickAsThieves: tryibng to communicat ewith us

20:55:55 mircea_popescu: pankkake ?I?m thinking of selling 10,000 ActM shares for 0.0019 and buying LC @ 0.0007 for 27,142 shares.?

20:56:00 mircea_popescu: disregard the quotes. he really means it.

20:56:35 ThickAsThieves: scambitrage

20:56:51 mircea_popescu: scam-bit-rage.

20:57:16 ThickAsThieves: ltc won't stop

20:57:22 ThickAsThieves: .0327

20:58:22 ThickAsThieves: $31

20:58:47 ThickAsThieves: you can go on a cheap date for 1 LTC

20:59:11 lyspooner: i can't go on a cheap date for 1 BTC

20:59:12 kakobrekla: happy meal at mcdonalds?

20:59:23 mircea_popescu: ltc has no central bank. it shall suffar the fate of free markets. boom an' boost.

20:59:39 ThickAsThieves: maybe the cinema?

20:59:44 mircea_popescu: lyspooner you must be doing something wrong then

20:59:53 ThickAsThieves: or a bj?

21:14:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 305 @ 0.00187 = 0.5704 BTC [-] {3}

21:15:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.38998569 = 2.7299 BTC [-] {4}

21:18:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00377446 = 0.3774 BTC [+] {8}

21:22:31 mircea_popescu: ;;tslb

21:22:34 gribble: Time since last block: 8 minutes and 13 seconds

21:23:02 mircea_popescu: like 7 blocks past half hour

21:23:03 mircea_popescu: .d

21:23:03 ozbot: 609482679.88835 | Next Diff in 334 blocks | Estimated Change: 13.1735% in 2d 0h 9m 2s

21:24:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 422 @ 0.00186571 = 0.7873 BTC [-] {3}

21:24:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 20 @ 0.031 = 0.62 BTC [-] {2}

21:25:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 466 @ 0.00183469 = 0.855 BTC [-] {3}

21:26:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.37520002 BTC [-]

21:28:25 Venat: wow, such difficulty

21:28:38 dub: used to be about US$100k for 1ld iirc

21:29:16 dub: needs vetted by some cadre of policy wonks tho

21:29:29 dub: no .nig for you mp

21:30:02 kakobrekla: lol

21:30:11 mircea_popescu: i'll probably buy a tesla before i buy domains. seems beyond retarded to me

21:30:18 dub: .nggr

21:30:25 mircea_popescu: (recall, i'm the guy that ran bitcoin's premier stock exchange as a subdir for years)

21:30:34 dub: whitehouse.nggr

21:30:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 11 @ 0.0236 = 0.2596 BTC [-]

21:30:57 mircea_popescu: sex.colored-person

21:31:08 dub: mpex.bbw

21:31:19 mircea_popescu: dub.dub

21:31:29 mircea_popescu: that's aesthetically appealing

21:31:38 mircea_popescu: you should get it and make yourself a biz card reading

21:31:39 mircea_popescu: dub.dub

21:31:44 dub: rollin.on.dub

21:32:04 pankkake: the u's aren't symetrical, it bothers me

21:32:06 kakobrekla: 22:30.55 ( mircea_popescu ) sex.colored-person

21:32:08 kakobrekla: ilold

21:33:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.37521 BTC [+]

21:33:59 pankkake: the weirdest tld is .xxx. it's like having a .internet

21:34:06 dub: yeah

21:34:29 dub: .tube would probably be a winner

21:35:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.37521001 BTC [+]

21:36:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.37521 BTC [-]

21:46:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2506 @ 0.00084082 = 2.1071 BTC [-]

21:48:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.00009504 = 0.1901 BTC [+] {8}

21:52:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1000 @ 0.0003 = 0.3 BTC [-]

21:52:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 4 @ 0.21 = 0.84 BTC [+]

21:53:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 33 @ 0.14858958 = 4.9035 BTC [-] {9}

21:56:24 thestringpuller: http://i.imgur.com/4Iu2xfa.gif

21:56:38 ThickAsThieves: another problem with telling people socially you dabble in bitcoin, seeing them all again on Thanksgiving

21:57:13 jborkl: I don't tell anyone at all

21:57:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 2 @ 0.1 = 0.2 BTC [-]

21:57:23 jborkl: except yous guys

21:57:33 ThickAsThieves: so if they know you dabbled when i was $100

21:58:03 ThickAsThieves: they of course will ask "Are you rich?"

21:58:12 ThickAsThieves: it's $1000 now!

21:58:27 mike_c: tell them you lost on jd

21:58:39 mike_c: !jd

21:58:40 assbot: Just-Dice stat: 8557 BTC profit, 50.8k BTC invested, 298.84 mio bets, 4.54 mio BTC wagered

21:58:42 ThickAsThieves: tell family you gambled away bitcoin riches?

21:58:43 pankkake: sadly ×10 of not much is not much

21:58:52 mike_c: they will stop seeing you as a resource.

21:59:00 ThickAsThieves: hmm

21:59:07 ThickAsThieves: cant tell the father in law such tho

21:59:17 mike_c: ah. touche.

22:00:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 38 @ 0.10745351 = 4.0832 BTC [-] {10}

22:00:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] [PAID] 27.85312800 BTC to 13`950 shares, 199664 satoshi per share

22:01:20 mircea_popescu: hookers and blow ?

22:01:30 mike_c: then he'll be mad he didn't get any.

22:01:36 ThickAsThieves: strippers, he might understand :)

22:02:18 thestringpuller: anyone know anything about coinapult?

22:02:27 thestringpuller: how come no coinapult associates are ever in this channel?

22:02:46 mike_c: coinapult is by somebody famous.

22:02:52 mike_c: racking brain..

22:02:54 ThickAsThieves: evoorhees

22:02:58 mike_c: oh yeah :)

22:03:00 ThickAsThieves: mjr works there

22:03:03 ThickAsThieves: he's in here sometimes

22:03:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] [PAID] 6.35923722 BTC to 335`226 shares, 1897 satoshi per share

22:04:05 mircea_popescu: somehow that thing never got anywhere

22:04:18 ThickAsThieves: i'm not sur ethey gave up yet

22:05:32 ThickAsThieves: whaddaya know: http://www.theverge.com/2013/11/27/5152566/ge-3d-printing-day-4chans-moot-builds-webcam-spy-block

22:05:42 ThickAsThieves: for kako

22:06:09 pankkake: webcams are supposed to have a led when they're on

22:06:16 pankkake: but I think you can control it for some

22:07:12 kakobrekla: you can also not have a cam

22:07:24 kakobrekla: cause now its just more stuff i must have

22:07:28 pankkake: I have a cam, but it's filming my doorway

22:07:29 kakobrekla: less is better

22:07:33 pankkake: spy on that, nsa

22:07:53 kakobrekla: why else would i delete all my btc

22:09:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 5125 @ 0.00169455 = 8.6846 BTC [-] {22}

22:10:19 dub: isn't it hearn or somesuch scumbag

22:10:41 dub: oh hey, buffer

22:10:51 ThickAsThieves: is what hearn?

22:10:56 dub: coinapault

22:11:00 ThickAsThieves: oh

22:11:02 ThickAsThieves: hmm

22:11:04 dub: but I see its worse

22:11:08 ThickAsThieves: word

22:11:53 thestringpuller: i still use coinapult to send coins to n00bs

22:12:01 thestringpuller: since setting up a wallet is sooooooo hard

22:12:06 dub: good lukc buying a lappy without cam btw

22:12:18 kakobrekla: my x220 doesnt have one

22:12:23 dub: wat

22:12:26 kakobrekla: yep

22:12:33 dub: mine does

22:12:39 kakobrekla: u liek nsa

22:12:44 pankkake: they hid it from you kakobrekla

22:12:45 dub: <3 nsa

22:12:50 pankkake: you just don't know where it is

22:13:06 pankkake: pics on the internet show a com on x220

22:13:06 ThickAsThieves: two-way plastic

22:13:09 kakobrekla: i think it has to do with the wifi card dub

22:13:25 pankkake: oh, an option?

22:13:26 kakobrekla: i got the one which has some moar antennas up there

22:13:34 pankkake: and that removes the cam. good to know

22:13:38 dub: mine has wifi and 3G/LTE antenna up thurr

22:13:46 kakobrekla: which nic

22:14:07 dub: face it yours isi bootleg eastyurope version

22:14:13 kakobrekla: lol

22:14:18 dub: idk, its not here

22:14:27 kakobrekla: i had the option of cam and crappier wifi

22:14:34 dub: corporate t430s has one though

22:14:35 kakobrekla: but im not a camwhore and i need signal

22:14:44 dub: security tards and NSA watching me jerkit

22:14:46 kakobrekla: mine also has IPS

22:14:49 kakobrekla: :p

22:15:04 dub: that might be a diff

22:15:16 dub: idk if mine is ips, don't think so

22:15:58 mircea_popescu: you gotta has ips

22:16:03 mircea_popescu: tyo connect to the internet.

22:16:26 dub: mrsdub has baller dell IPS

22:16:40 dub: for fotoshopping selfies

22:17:02 dub: its pretty nice to look at

22:18:29 kakobrekla: as far as i can see its about 3x3 antenna

22:18:40 kakobrekla: that disallows the camwhoring

22:19:39 dub: instead it broadcasts RF imaging signal to get 3d radar of you jerking

22:20:18 kakobrekla: yeah im fine with rf imaging.

22:21:41 dub: they can't tell that you're using sandpaper instead of lube

22:22:29 kakobrekla: sandpaper is for pussies.

22:22:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5166 @ 0.00084082 = 4.3437 BTC [-]

22:24:28 dub: https://twitter.com/JournalistsLike/status/405763467698638848/photo/1

22:24:29 ozbot: Twitter / JournalistsLike: Best firefighter name. Ever. ...

22:24:53 dub: mp should change name to McCoiny

22:25:24 kakobrekla: les means wood here

22:25:31 kakobrekla: extra cherry on top

22:25:32 dub: wow

22:26:46 mircea_popescu: mcoiny is kinda corny.

22:29:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 9 @ 0.02329899 = 0.2097 BTC [-]

22:30:50 sn00py: hey guys

22:31:18 ThickAsThieves: hello sn00py

22:31:41 mircea_popescu: hi

22:31:45 sn00py: i have a question

22:33:31 pankkake: state it, good sir

22:33:51 kakobrekla: how you sure he is good?

22:34:09 kakobrekla: might be evil.

22:34:30 ThickAsThieves: state it, soon-to-be-judged sir

22:34:37 kakobrekla: more apropriate

22:34:38 pankkake: indeed, anyone using webchat is evil

22:34:51 mircea_popescu: or a girl.

22:35:00 kakobrekla: NO GIRELS ON IRC

22:35:06 sn00py: im new to all bitcoin stuff and im thinking about investing in some type of coin is there a website that you can buy and sell or trade different type of coins?

22:35:07 mircea_popescu: girels lol.

22:35:35 mircea_popescu: sn00py listen, if you're new you should be reading not investing.

22:35:47 sn00py: i been reading just asking lol

22:36:01 kakobrekla: different types of coins? colored coins?

22:36:11 lyspooner: sn00py, don't invest in a coin, embrace a coin

22:36:26 mircea_popescu: there are coins you can get, most of which aren't worth it.

22:36:27 lyspooner: like, actually know it and love it and never want to sell it

22:36:38 mircea_popescu: there are securities you can buy, most of which niot worth it

22:36:38 mircea_popescu: etc

22:36:40 dub: speaking of jacking it, just noticed the 12 hours of peepeecoin mining I did is now worth 200btc

22:37:02 mircea_popescu: dub buy a car, crash it into another car, pay in bt

22:37:04 mircea_popescu: c

22:37:11 dub: who said alt coins where stoopid

22:37:20 mircea_popescu: you did...

22:38:08 mircea_popescu: http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3538047&cid=43149645

22:38:09 ozbot: Bitcoin Blockchain Forked By Backward-Compatibility Issue - Slashdot

22:38:11 mircea_popescu: gotta love slashdot.

22:38:15 mircea_popescu: "I really wonder if my Bitcoins will be worth anything in a few years."

22:38:24 pankkake: ppcoin 15% more profitable to mine than btc. something doesn't sound right

22:39:00 kakobrekla: such things happen all the time pankkake it just does not last

22:39:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 28 @ 0.3601 = 10.0828 BTC [-] {2}

22:39:15 dub: blame fontas

22:39:23 pankkake: I've seen it happen but not as much

22:40:21 sn00py: oh ok ill just keep researching lol

22:40:29 pankkake: in a few years we'll separate people who say my bitcoin from people who say my bitcoins

22:40:51 mircea_popescu: "That value will probably be the cost of the electricity to run whatever the last ASIC miner produced is, at least before general purpose GPUs become more powerful than ASICs."

22:41:02 mircea_popescu: incredibly insightful. you ppl should read slashdot more often

22:41:05 dub: dood

22:41:26 pankkake: it used to be better (yeah, get off my lawn)

22:41:48 dub: slash is hte asshole of the avg internet commenters asshole

22:42:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.361 = 0.722 BTC [+]

22:43:01 mircea_popescu: dub at least it's not reddit.

22:43:27 pankkake: reddit tells you everyone's opinion is interesting

22:43:28 dub: the only reddit I read is r/spacedicks

22:43:37 pankkake: including yours

22:44:21 mircea_popescu: i thought reddit tells you what gifs someone made

22:44:33 mircea_popescu: "made" = assembled out of stolen bits they didn't understand.

22:44:56 pankkake: typical reddit submission is "my daughter made this" (obvious stolen content)

22:45:04 pankkake: I like http://www.reddit.com/r/fatpeoplestories

22:45:26 ThickAsThieves: here's a nice one from reddit

22:45:39 ThickAsThieves: After the April crash, I bet a friend $1,000.00 that Bitcoin would be worth $1,000.00 before December 31, 2013.

22:45:49 ThickAsThieves: rather than buy $1000 of bitcoin?!

22:46:36 lyspooner: perhaps the person was already suitably long bitcoin

22:46:45 pankkake: buy a bitcoin with it, give it to the friend

22:46:56 ThickAsThieves: "In 2011 I got back from iraq with more than 40k saved up from both my bonus and unspent pay. I went homeless after dumping everything I had into bittcoins, and today I am a millionaire."

22:47:05 ThickAsThieves: lol

22:47:23 kakobrekla: damn wences was right

22:47:26 kakobrekla: i would have lost my bet

22:48:03 pankkake: http://www.reddit.com/r/bitcoincirclejerk

22:48:03 ozbot: Bitcoin circlejerk

22:49:09 mircea_popescu: ok, bitbet update : we had a crash on the systems doing payments.

22:49:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 3255 @ 0.00025952 = 0.8447 BTC [-] {15}

22:49:20 pankkake: scam

22:49:22 mircea_popescu: this is why some payments have been delayed. nothing is lost etcetc.

22:49:31 ThickAsThieves: lol pankkake

22:49:35 ThickAsThieves: good link

22:49:43 mircea_popescu: cpu burned. had it replaced. txn should be broadcasting within an hour or so.

22:50:03 ThickAsThieves: do you have mice in your servers?

22:50:08 pankkake: cpu burned? labcoin had better excuses

22:50:16 pankkake: like "pool isn't asic ready"

22:50:17 ThickAsThieves: I mumbled something about bitcoin to flirt with a checkout lady 4 years ago. She didn't trust me but they all invested $10,000. Today I went in to find they are all billionaires and I crowd surfed the workers around the store.

22:50:32 ThickAsThieves: lol

22:50:57 mircea_popescu: pankkake yes, it burned. with the fan still attached and spinning

22:51:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.35861774 = 1.7931 BTC [-] {4}

22:52:25 pankkake: you must have crappy power or something with all those issues

22:52:46 ThickAsThieves: needs moar solar

22:52:49 mircea_popescu: this was a payment computor.

22:52:53 mircea_popescu: it's on a diff continent.

22:53:03 mircea_popescu: can you have personally bad power on separate landmasses ?

22:53:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 487 @ 0.00029998 = 0.1461 BTC [-] {2}

22:53:26 ThickAsThieves: you cant personally have anything you dont personally have

22:53:28 pankkake: it's not impossible

22:53:34 mircea_popescu: i like to think it's just because i own/run so much equipment that statistically this is "normal"

22:54:10 ThickAsThieves: did they send pics?

22:54:14 ThickAsThieves: maybe they are scamming you

22:54:23 dub: http://www.communityrun.org/petitions/petition-to-the-global-nwo-government-to-increase-chemtrail-spraying

22:54:24 ozbot: Petition to the Global NWO Government to Increase Chemtrail Spraying | CommunityRun

22:54:27 mircea_popescu: what of, an old cpu ?

22:54:38 ThickAsThieves: a crispy CPU

22:54:40 dub: better comments within

22:54:56 mircea_popescu: dub community run pancakes!!

22:55:01 pankkake: reports from hosters always felt fishy to me. like "we replaced the motherboard" but the shit is still crashing

22:55:39 mircea_popescu: not a hoster tho.

22:56:57 TomServo: Was that the last non-virtualized webserver?

22:57:11 mircea_popescu: it's not even a webserver.

22:57:43 mircea_popescu: my my assets is becoming popular these days. hello Mr_Steve

22:57:54 Mr_Steve: hello

22:58:01 Mr_Steve: I was wondering if a bet has paid out yet

22:58:02 ThickAsThieves: how many are we atm?

22:58:03 Mr_Steve: http://bitbet.us/bet/353/bitcoin-price-to-rise-above-1000/

22:58:04 ozbot: BitBet - Bitcoin price to rise above $1000

22:58:22 ThickAsThieves: lol bitbet is the best referrer for this chan

22:58:31 mircea_popescu: Mr_Steve i just made an update re that. it's not, should be ~1 hr

22:58:49 Mr_Steve: Answered my own question, thank you lol

22:59:05 Mr_Steve: before i even asked it too!

22:59:40 mircea_popescu: hello dimitriyremerov

23:00:25 mircea_popescu: "A cryptographic currency system needs to be secure regardless of how it is implemented"

23:00:29 mircea_popescu: dude this is beyond great

23:00:36 thestringpuller: ?

23:00:39 thestringpuller: what are you reading?

23:00:40 mircea_popescu: i want slashdot to run the internet nao pls.

23:00:49 mircea_popescu: http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3538047&cid=43148717

23:00:50 ozbot: Bitcoin Blockchain Forked By Backward-Compatibility Issue - Slashdot

23:01:22 deadweas1l: LOL

23:01:37 deadweas1l: good ol /.

23:03:11 dimitriyremerov: mircea_popescu: hello, but for new I prefer just to read, because I'm new and I want more knowledge before I consider myself as ready for talking.

23:03:15 ThickAsThieves: i have a new cryptographic implementation: send me all your bitcoins

23:03:28 mircea_popescu: spoken like a wise man.

23:03:48 mircea_popescu: log.bitcoin-assets.com if you get done with the live log.

23:04:03 dimitriyremerov: thanks

23:04:52 lewicki: tat, think the neo pr will be out tonight?

23:05:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 6689 @ 0.00147996 = 9.8995 BTC [-] {13}

23:06:33 ThickAsThieves: unlikely, it's midnight in Cyprus

23:06:39 lewicki: kk

23:09:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 294 @ 0.0034597 = 1.0172 BTC [-] {15}

23:10:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 1069 @ 0.00341585 = 3.6515 BTC [-] {4}

23:11:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 50 @ 0.01812296 = 0.9061 BTC [-] {12}

23:11:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 254 @ 0.003411 = 0.8664 BTC [-] {3}

23:12:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 14 @ 0.10142857 = 1.42 BTC [-] {3}

23:13:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 194 @ 0.003411 = 0.6617 BTC [-] {2}

23:16:12 thestringpuller: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1rjluc/after_explaining_bitcoin_and_how_i_didnt_buy/ - gold

23:16:25 thestringpuller: the first comment that is

23:24:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 44 @ 0.01150001 = 0.506 BTC [-] {3}

23:25:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [LABCO] 2078 @ 0.00006162 = 0.128 BTC [-] {10}

23:25:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1006 @ 0.00022002 = 0.2213 BTC [-] {4}

23:50:51 Bugpowder: YAWN

23:50:59 Bugpowder: Another day another $150 gain

23:51:37 Diablo-D3: ;;ticker

23:51:38 gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 1080.01001, Best ask: 1094.794, Bid-ask spread: 14.78399, Last trade: 1080.01001, 24 hour volume: 37060.78677051, 24 hour low: 914.31556, 24 hour high: 1094.794, 24 hour vwap: 999.4886

23:56:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.36 BTC [+]

23:58:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.003411 = 0.1023 BTC [-] {3}