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Transcript for 28-02-2016, 722 lines:

00:00:35 mircea_popescu: !up hsmiths

00:05:52 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ben_vulpes and everyone else into supercute de-windows-ization : http://logs.minigame.bz/2016-02-27.log.html#t23:38:19

00:05:53 assbot: #Eulora log for Saturday, 2016-02-27 ... ( http://bit.ly/21r0UYp )

00:05:58 mircea_popescu: (read prior and after, lulzy abounds)

00:10:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28500 @ 0.00058586 = 16.697 BTC [-]

00:17:35 mircea_popescu: and in other "here's my face" news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/8e7e56c4b6c0334a54523406120211ed/tumblr_mjie6rz8Se1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg

00:17:37 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1OEdcjH )

00:24:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31050 @ 0.00058586 = 18.191 BTC [-]

00:37:06 phf: current take is naive, uses a list of digits for presentation and a mul/shift/add approach to multiplication. mostly a poc

00:39:08 phf: i'd like to read knuth chapters for a bit, but aocp warez is surprisingly awful. torrents of pdf scans without table of contents (!!!) and people in comments going "thanks for most useful books evaa!!!". does anybody actually tried using this shit?

00:43:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74900 @ 0.0005832 = 43.6817 BTC [-] {2}

00:45:42 phf: knuth actually made a version with working crosslinks and table of contents and such, but those cost as much as the printed version and are "personalized". i take it nobody bothered getting rid of watermark and publishing it, or i can't find a copy anyway

00:55:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57950 @ 0.00058672 = 34.0004 BTC [+] {2}

01:01:27 BingoBoingo: That complete lack of assumptions is very impressive

01:05:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24900 @ 0.00058789 = 14.6385 BTC [+]

01:13:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38279 @ 0.00058789 = 22.5038 BTC [+]

01:14:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22574 @ 0.00058804 = 13.2744 BTC [+] {2}

01:30:00 mircea_popescu: lol BingoBoingo

01:30:36 ben_vulpes: satoshi bless the noobs, for they bring lulz and drama.

01:30:43 ben_vulpes: quite the netsplit.

01:35:00 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Seriously though it is far more refreshing than YAJE, Yet Another Jackoffscript Evangelist

01:35:07 mircea_popescu: aha.

01:35:18 mircea_popescu: guy's actually pretty good, found/fixed small cracks in the wiki etc

01:35:50 BingoBoingo: Maybe point him at TRB documentation after he's done fixing Eulora?

01:36:18 mircea_popescu: lol. may be a long while, eulora took the crown for "most broken republican codebase" sometime this year i think

01:42:01 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all --currency rmb

01:42:23 gribble: BTCChina BTCRMB last: 2813.01, vol: 38011.01690000 | Volume-weighted last average: 2813.01

01:48:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20500 @ 0.00058549 = 12.0025 BTC [-]

01:56:56 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all --currency gbp

01:57:12 gribble: Bitstamp BTCGBP last: 305.466957, vol: 4200.03059766 | BTC-E BTCGBP last: 305.322777, vol: 4186.21487 | CampBX BTCGBP last: 311.4288, vol: 0.46043058 | BTCChina BTCGBP last: 308.70326, vol: 38805.73280000 | Kraken BTCGBP last: 314.11996, vol: 1.1587369 | Bitcoin-Central BTCGBP last: 307.32, vol: 44.85189837 | Volume-weighted last average: 308.114787885

01:57:14 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all

01:57:26 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 422.36, vol: 4208.70566845 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 423.201, vol: 4184.74036 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 422.99, vol: 16453.42615972 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 432.0, vol: 0.46043058 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 428.347821, vol: 38843.33320000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 425.64999, vol: 490.41688409 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 426.348, vol: 44.85189837 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)

01:57:28 BingoBoingo: ;;more

01:57:28 gribble: 426.22555256

02:02:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35800 @ 0.00058549 = 20.9605 BTC [-]

02:14:54 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: what's the thinking behind using IMPLEMENT_RANDOMIZE_STACK in shiva.cpp?

02:15:16 ben_vulpes: i thought we considered that glass left on the floor for barefoot burglars

02:35:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57900 @ 0.00058922 = 34.1158 BTC [+] {3}

02:42:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58269 @ 0.00058451 = 34.0588 BTC [-] {3}

02:46:25 BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2016/02/2015-irs-breach-estimate-revised-upwards-to-720000-records/ << Pls to confirm I used the correct Bre(a/e)ch

02:46:26 assbot: 2015 IRS Breach Estimate Revised Upwards To 720,000 Records | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1QmSbvR )

02:47:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23905 @ 0.00058947 = 14.0913 BTC [+]

02:48:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28595 @ 0.0005901 = 16.8739 BTC [+] {5}

02:49:59 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform (phf, adlai, mod6_, mod6): okay this is grand and i can see several rpc commands trivially slain in this vein, and others with application of work. but but but! would someone send me a map for running /scheme/ code from within satoshis abortion?

02:50:10 mircea_popescu: :)

02:51:13 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i guess i'm just going to add "this is good for fiat" comments from now on.

02:51:16 phf: ben_vulpes: depends on what you're trying to do

02:51:25 mircea_popescu: by 2020 or so, if i do at least 10-20k a day, we might be caught up

02:52:25 ben_vulpes: phf: i don't quite know yet. i'm just barely a code-technician, creativity and imagination's another 5-7 years off for me.

02:52:28 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: lol

02:52:55 *: ben_vulpes afk for a bit, if not the eve

02:55:41 ben_vulpes: phf: mebbe rewrite the syncing loop?

02:57:15 ben_vulpes: ;;later tell trinque BEHOLD http://www.businessinsider.com/meta-glasses-could-be-future-of-work-2016-2?r=DE&IR=T

02:57:16 assbot: Meta glasses could be future of work - Business Insider ... ( http://bit.ly/1QmSl6q )

02:57:16 gribble: The operation succeeded.

03:07:11 mircea_popescu: speaking of box-chess : http://41.media.tumblr.com/1bf6111f15b131dbef04c23c3b19e74d/tumblr_mf8kskjRLp1s0gddxo1_1280.jpg

03:07:12 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1QmSBCs )

03:07:16 mircea_popescu: there's the box, and there's the chess.

03:10:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52350 @ 0.00059064 = 30.92 BTC [+] {3}

03:12:55 phf: ben_vulpes: so the way thing works right now, is that when you connect a new instance of scheme runtime is created, which is then fed init.scm and connected to the network stream fd. right now the pattern that we have is from inside a running instance you can call out into trb and make it do things

03:13:57 BingoBoingo: http://www.t-platforms.ru/about-company/press-releases/625--25022016.html

03:14:00 assbot: Новости компании - 25.02.2016 ... ( http://bit.ly/1T3gW60 )

03:15:29 BingoBoingo: From Google Transgrish: "Due to hardware accelerators supporting GOST 28147-89, processors "Baikal-T1" have certified compatibility with software and hardware encryption tools. At present the work as part of AWS "Meadowsweet terminal" preparing several Russian means of information protection. The company develops InfoTeKS for "Tavolgi" customized solution based on the constructor protected ViPNet network, designed for the safe ope

03:15:29 BingoBoingo: ration of VPN and PKI services. The company CRYPTO-PRO adapts crypto CryptoPro SSP, are widely used, in particular, for the authorization of electronic signatures in the documents. Adaptation also tested cryptographic USB-tokens Rutoken S and Rutoken electronic signature for secure two-factor authentication in computer systems and storage of key information."

03:17:10 BingoBoingo: Apparently shipping Q2 2016

03:19:01 phf: ben_vulpes: in order to support any sort of rewrite of existing code, need to figure out how to have scheme runtime created at bitcoind start and that runtime allowing for reentry

03:24:37 phf: which requires a better understanding of how ts's stack work, or perhaps figuring out how to make multiple scheme instances share same oblist or something

03:26:46 phf: i think ascii short term plan is specifically rewrite of rpc, because it's an easily achievable low hanging fruit, which when done completely will let us get rid of json/http

03:28:08 ben_vulpes: > allowing for reentry << bleeee

03:28:21 ben_vulpes: okay i'll leave that and the slime work to the real artisans

03:30:06 phf: also the whole thing is not thread safe...

03:31:53 phf: but then i also tend to overthink things, for all i know there's a perfectly trivial solution to all things

03:33:26 ben_vulpes: hey

03:33:27 ben_vulpes: hey phf

03:33:31 ben_vulpes: how bout dem clang scripts

03:33:47 ben_vulpes: ;)

03:34:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 109392 @ 0.00059085 = 64.6343 BTC [+] {3}

03:34:58 phf: well, i can give you half baked version ;)

03:35:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35058 @ 0.0005911 = 20.7228 BTC [+] {2}

03:35:18 phf: ben_vulpes: http://paste.lisp.org/display/308410

03:35:19 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1T3hiti )

03:37:08 ben_vulpes: #> (btc_connections)

03:37:10 ben_vulpes: 0

03:37:32 ben_vulpes: dash/hyphen conventions alive, ^^ asciilifeform, phf, mod6_, mircea_popescu

03:37:42 ben_vulpes: s/alive/aside

03:38:02 ben_vulpes: nifty, phf!

03:38:49 phf: 1) brew install cmake 2) patch < foo.patch 3) link_directories and include_directories in CMakeList.txt need to point to be modified to point to your boost/db4/openssl locations 4) mkdir foo; cd foo; cmake ..; make

03:39:15 ben_vulpes: v. cool

03:39:26 ben_vulpes: yeah i imagined that running buildroot wouldn't make sense on a bsdalike

03:42:18 phf: well, after my eulora travails i can trivially build anything on mac os x with homebrew (thanks mp!), in this case there's not even a need to fuck around since b-a approved versions of dependencies have brew formulas for them

03:43:51 ben_vulpes: you're a real rubro now phf!

03:44:37 ben_vulpes: anyways, rather neet. looking forward to shortening my loop up.

03:44:51 ben_vulpes: i'm off to waft the child through hipstergenic clouds of pot smoke

03:45:38 phf: i'm going to have some kefir and decompress from the day

03:46:13 phf: i might even produce some instructions for a heathen build using brew/clang/cmake

03:57:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15050 @ 0.00059146 = 8.9015 BTC [+]

04:07:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25500 @ 0.00059183 = 15.0917 BTC [+] {2}

04:08:36 mircea_popescu: phf> i think ascii short term plan is specifically rewrite of rpc, because it's an easily achievable low hanging fruit, which when done completely will let us get rid of json/http << quite.

04:14:40 BingoBoingo: !up iinaj

04:20:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 111550 @ 0.00059237 = 66.0789 BTC [+] {2}

04:25:55 mircea_popescu: lol yw

04:38:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58800 @ 0.00059237 = 34.8314 BTC [+]

04:57:38 BingoBoingo: Justice Porn from 2013. Take away ashtrays as part of a pretend smoking ban, Fuck you get litter: https://archive.is/61rRZ

04:57:39 assbot: Mizzou Stream Team to hold outdoor clean-up events at local waterways – The Maneater ... ( http://bit.ly/1oGNd64 )

04:58:10 BingoBoingo: Wait, wrong one

05:17:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72800 @ 0.00058816 = 42.818 BTC [-] {2}

05:28:53 asciilifeform: massive fleanode retardation

05:29:11 asciilifeform: incidentally, what kind of sense does it make for arsebot to lose everybody's session when it dies ?

05:29:28 asciilifeform: i mean, i understand losing session when ~people~ log out.

05:30:28 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2016#1417141 << i actually wrote it for entirely other reason but only made it public because mircea_popescu suggested curing the rpc retardation

05:30:28 assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 04:08:36; mircea_popescu: phf> i think ascii short term plan is specifically rewrite of rpc, because it's an easily achievable low hanging fruit, which when done completely will let us get rid of json/http << quite.

05:30:42 phf: plx more details!

05:31:55 asciilifeform: phf: ?

05:32:16 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2016#1417106 << BingoBoingo you can buy the usg version of this idocy right now. eager ?

05:32:16 assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 03:15:29; BingoBoingo: From Google Transgrish: "Due to hardware accelerators supporting GOST 28147-89, processors "Baikal-T1" have certified compatibility with software and hardware encryption tools. At present the work as part of AWS "Meadowsweet terminal" preparing several Russian means of information protection. The company develops InfoTeKS for "Tavolgi" customized solution based on the constructor protected ViPNet networ

05:32:16 asciilifeform: *idiocy

05:32:25 phf: oh i meant, what was the entirely other reason?

05:32:37 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Yes, idiocy remains

05:32:46 asciilifeform: phf: tx debugger

05:34:52 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2016#1417087 << what did ben_vulpes mean here ?

05:34:52 assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 02:49:59; ben_vulpes: asciilifeform (phf, adlai, mod6_, mod6): okay this is grand and i can see several rpc commands trivially slain in this vein, and others with application of work. but but but! would someone send me a map for running /scheme/ code from within satoshis abortion?

05:35:30 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2016#1417079 << copied from similar routine elsewhere. it's a cheap stack smash pill. see logz.

05:35:30 assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 02:14:54; ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: what's the thinking behind using IMPLEMENT_RANDOMIZE_STACK in shiva.cpp?

05:35:40 asciilifeform: !s IMPLEMENT_RANDOMIZE_STACK

05:35:40 assbot: 4 results for 'IMPLEMENT_RANDOMIZE_STACK' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=IMPLEMENT_RANDOMIZE_STACK

05:38:28 phf: asciilifeform: i think he's looking for a way to slice scheme into an arbitrary part of bitcoind, like CInv inv = scheme_apply('inv-process', cons(...));, unless i'm mistaken, but seems confirmed later in log

05:43:39 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2016#1417169 << this is utterly, screamingly ugly and i will sign no part of it.

05:43:39 assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 05:38:28; phf: asciilifeform: i think he's looking for a way to slice scheme into an arbitrary part of bitcoind, like CInv inv = scheme_apply('inv-process', cons(...));, unless i'm mistaken, but seems confirmed later in log

05:44:24 asciilifeform: shiva is for abolishing cppisms in whole unitary chunks.

05:44:32 asciilifeform: not line by line, wtf.

05:44:48 asciilifeform: rpc is an example.

05:45:17 asciilifeform: it is to be amputated ~whole~. no motherfucking stumps.

05:46:03 phf: i only ride 'em, i don't know what makes 'em work.

05:49:18 phf: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5cL-h3Pj1o <

05:49:19 assbot: Kelly's Heroes Oddball Takes a Rest - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1OEI0Rk )

06:01:13 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: okok! point taken.

06:08:18 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: is it inane of me to ask about hyphen/underscore conventions in shiva.cpp?

06:08:35 phf: (hyphen plx)

06:09:12 ben_vulpes: phf: and in the c function declarations?

06:09:54 phf: underscore

06:10:23 ben_vulpes: this is idiomatic c and scheme?

06:10:29 phf: yes

06:10:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33250 @ 0.00058829 = 19.5606 BTC [+] {2}

06:11:06 ben_vulpes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmzsWxPLIOo

06:11:07 assbot: I Know Nothing - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1OEJLOi )

06:46:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5900 @ 0.00058404 = 3.4458 BTC [-]

06:52:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 123809 @ 0.00058976 = 73.0176 BTC [+] {4}

06:53:16 ben_vulpes: phf, asciilifeform: where is an appropriate place for custom trb scheme, and what mechanism should load it? just appending to the bottom of init.scm feels wrong.

07:13:15 phf: i don't imagine it matters at the moment, can always shuffle things

07:29:32 ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2016#1417130 << wurx

07:29:32 assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 03:38:49; phf: 1) brew install cmake 2) patch < foo.patch 3) link_directories and include_directories in CMakeList.txt need to point to be modified to point to your boost/db4/openssl locations 4) mkdir foo; cd foo; cmake ..; make

07:29:41 ben_vulpes: at least, complains of no shiva flags

07:29:55 phf: no shiva flags?

07:29:57 ben_vulpes: lemme see if it shits to disk

07:30:07 ben_vulpes: Error: If Shiva is enabled, MUST specify init file!

07:30:16 ben_vulpes: init file, scuse me

07:30:19 phf: oh oh

07:31:38 phf: yeah no reason why it wouldn't work from there..

07:31:57 ben_vulpes: holy fuckadoodle phf delivars

07:32:15 phf: in other news, http://btcbase.org/patches/phf-shiva-swank

07:32:16 assbot: phf-shiva-swank ... ( http://bit.ly/1QmWPKx )

07:32:56 ben_vulpes: heavens to betsy

07:32:58 ben_vulpes: what a night

07:33:53 ben_vulpes: heheheh strbuffsize goes from 256 to 2048

07:34:41 phf: big buffer ensures i can send big function over wire and tinyscheme doesn't barf

07:35:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60200 @ 0.0005877 = 35.3795 BTC [-] {2}

07:35:17 phf: after application, run with -swank in addition to all the other shiva args, and connecting to the shiva port with slime-connect should work mircles

07:35:36 ben_vulpes: aha i assumed, just thought it funny how quickly that number got bigger and by how much

07:35:54 ben_vulpes: hey phf this btcbase thing would rule with anchored line numbers on patches

07:36:14 phf: it's got mp's select on it, but yeah, line numbers might be better

07:36:30 ben_vulpes: oh huh

07:36:51 phf: select thing is still vaguely broken though

07:36:53 ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/patches/phf-shiva-swank#selection-1003.0-1007.24

07:36:54 assbot: phf-shiva-swank ... ( http://bit.ly/1ph6vzp )

07:37:07 *: ben_vulpes shrugs

07:37:19 ben_vulpes: clearly you need more to do

07:37:26 *: ben_vulpes ducks

07:37:34 phf: indeed

07:38:26 phf: maybe a skilled fullstack developer could fix the selection widget for us

07:38:38 phf: if only we had some web development professional in our ranks

07:42:19 ben_vulpes: ho ho ho

07:42:44 *: ben_vulpes kicks tires, spits

07:42:51 ben_vulpes: myup, looks like y'all got a wad of javascript

07:43:07 ben_vulpes: i recommend a thorough course of benjies, piped straight through the developer funnel.

07:43:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98750 @ 0.00059171 = 58.4314 BTC [+] {4}

07:43:40 ben_vulpes: you'll probably want to re-grease the decompilator with some euros while we're at it, that never hurts and can frequently improve end-user experience

07:44:25 phf: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=31-01-2016#1391942 << previous take on this problem

07:44:25 assbot: Logged on 31-01-2016 22:30:16; phf: he can get me a pm at $150/hr and two junior devs $50/hr each in no time. selection will work by next iteration, but will depend on jquery and react

07:45:20 ben_vulpes: you people seem to think that i actually handle the rods myself

07:47:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77950 @ 0.00059165 = 46.1191 BTC [-] {2}

07:47:21 ben_vulpes: #> (btc-connections)

07:47:23 ben_vulpes: 0

07:47:26 ben_vulpes: ^^ natively on the mac

07:47:30 ben_vulpes: what a time to be alive

07:49:10 ben_vulpes: phf: consider linking to sigs from patch page?

07:49:14 ben_vulpes: also signers line i think is broken

07:50:03 phf: signers is misguided, shows everyone participating in the press

07:50:14 ben_vulpes: myeah, i figured.

07:50:39 ben_vulpes: mebbe call it "press party"

07:50:48 ben_vulpes: full of bad ideas tonight, me

07:52:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36050 @ 0.00059246 = 21.3582 BTC [+]

07:57:57 punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CcQqFk1XIAAJzhr.jpg:large "Pope Francis meets Instagram CEO at the Vatican to discuss "power of images.""

07:57:57 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1ph84gG )

07:59:51 punkman: oh he has a twitter account, that's great https://twitter.com/pontifex

07:59:53 assbot: Pope Francis (@Pontifex) | Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1ph8dRn )

08:06:54 punkman: http://www.zdnet.com/article/ssd-reliability-in-the-real-world-googles-experience/

08:06:55 assbot: SSD reliability in the real world: Google's experience | ZDNet ... ( http://bit.ly/1ph8SSV )

08:10:01 ben_vulpes: age trumps r/w load eh?

08:10:57 phf: main issue with using select on btcbase page, changing dom basically breaks all links

08:12:59 punkman: phf, maybe better to do line numbers and use line ranges in the link anchor

08:13:25 phf: aye

08:14:19 phf: but line numbers better match the vpatch lines, that requires patching the vpatch parser, so i'm just going to sleep instead :)

08:15:42 ben_vulpes: nn phf great work

08:15:54 ben_vulpes: Connecting to Swank on port 1336..

08:15:56 ben_vulpes: error in process filter: net-read error: (cl-assertion-failed (cl-plusp length))

08:16:02 ben_vulpes: ^^ to haunt your dreams

08:16:08 phf: hmm

08:16:42 phf: if you just connect to 1336 with netcat, and type a bunch of random letters, does it bail with "wrong length" error?

08:17:23 ben_vulpes: nope, eval error unbound

08:17:41 phf: did you pass the ./bitcoind a -swank argument?

08:17:54 ben_vulpes: a no

08:18:12 ben_vulpes: herp derp

08:21:43 ben_vulpes: doooope

08:22:10 ben_vulpes: ty phf

08:22:54 punkman: mircea_popescu: .. supercute de-windows-ization : http://logs.minigame.bz/2016-02-27.log.html#t23:38:19 << I like the command line sure, but I find editing text without a mouse a hassle, same for trying to remember 1000 keyboard shortcuts for each of 100 apps, or having to spend 10 minutes to figure out obscure cli options to use something once.

08:22:55 assbot: #Eulora log for Saturday, 2016-02-27 ... ( http://bit.ly/21r0UYp )

08:23:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68745 @ 0.0005901 = 40.5664 BTC [-] {2}

08:24:13 phf: ben_vulpes: you can now control the universe

08:24:54 ben_vulpes: this is a mega patch

08:24:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50505 @ 0.00059253 = 29.9257 BTC [+]

08:26:25 ben_vulpes: phf: get to bed before i bog you down in emacs config arcana

08:26:50 phf: ooh ooh, try apropos! also meta-tab completion!

08:26:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72600 @ 0.00059315 = 43.0627 BTC [+] {3}

08:27:56 ben_vulpes: eee

08:27:59 ben_vulpes: apropos does a thing

08:28:20 ben_vulpes: finds car and set-car!

08:29:13 ben_vulpes: now to wire in compile-and-load-file

08:31:12 punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=27-02-2016#1416586 speaking of which, http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/22/world/europe/alexander-litvinenko-poisoning-inquiry-britain.html

08:31:12 assbot: Logged on 27-02-2016 16:58:25; asciilifeform: either that or i finally got fed the polonium.

08:31:15 assbot: Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1phaY5g )

08:31:50 punkman: "the release of the final report of a lengthy public inquiry into Mr. Litvinenko’s death."

08:36:32 punkman: http://observer.com/2016/01/the-return-of-wetwork-kgb-goons-radiated-a-former-associate-in-london/

08:36:33 assbot: The Return of Wetwork: KGB Goons Radiated a Former Associate in London | Observer ... ( http://bit.ly/1phbpfP )

08:40:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29386 @ 0.00058423 = 17.1682 BTC [-] {2}

08:46:40 punkman: http://www.brainsturbator.com/posts/409/the-human-brain-is-a-piece-of-shit

08:46:41 assbot: Brainsturbator ... ( http://bit.ly/1phcpAs )

08:56:42 ben_vulpes: punkman: wasn't that forever ago? or is there a new case

08:59:44 punkman: nope, the old case

09:00:26 punkman: 10 year inquiry that results in nothing in particular

09:04:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89260 @ 0.00058301 = 52.0395 BTC [-] {3}

09:04:56 punkman: for the kids http://bookzz.org/book/2474909/210e75

09:04:57 assbot: The New Way Things Work | David Macaulay | digital library bookzz ... ( http://bit.ly/1phe2OG )

09:05:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6390 @ 0.0005828 = 3.7241 BTC [-]

09:09:29 BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats

09:09:32 gribble: Current Blocks: 400386 | Current Difficulty: 1.6349165490895926E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 401183 | Next Difficulty In: 797 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 days, 10 hours, 7 minutes, and 20 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None

09:11:06 punkman: ;;nethash

09:11:07 gribble: 1153065295.31

09:11:24 ben_vulpes: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/bitcoinrpc.cpp#0119 << well this will have to go

09:11:25 assbot: Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/bitcoinrpc.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1pheDjB )

09:12:49 punkman: I remember when I first saw "Help text is returned in an exception"

09:12:58 ben_vulpes: and yes, yes. the whole rpc wart must be frozen with nitrogen and smashed into a zillion pieces.

09:13:03 ben_vulpes: right?!

09:13:37 ben_vulpes: what i appear to have forgotten since the last time i looked into this pit of snakes is that it calls all of the rpc functions in turn to construct the help list.

09:13:59 ben_vulpes: like...what?

09:14:05 punkman: not a bad idea to write down reading notes and share on mailing list

09:21:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40250 @ 0.0005828 = 23.4577 BTC [-]

09:30:08 ben_vulpes: half-baked exclamations of disgust are probably best kept here

09:38:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21293 @ 0.0005828 = 12.4096 BTC [-]

09:40:59 punkman: http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/feb/26/mercedes-benz-robots-people-assembly-lines

09:41:00 assbot: Mercedes-Benz swaps robots for people on its assembly lines | Technology | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1THk3PR )

09:52:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35252 @ 0.0005828 = 20.5449 BTC [-]

10:19:06 ben_vulpes: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/bitcoinrpc.cpp#0266 << what does it mean for `nLimitProcessors = nGenProcLimit` to be passed as the argument to WriteSetting? an implicit test returning a boolean doesn't make much sense to me as a value for nLimitProcessors

10:19:07 assbot: Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/bitcoinrpc.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1Rc5Zck )

10:19:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13000 @ 0.0005828 = 7.5764 BTC [-]

10:21:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37988 @ 0.00058429 = 22.196 BTC [+] {2}

10:21:51 ben_vulpes: a casual browsing of the source suggests to me that the processor limiting could be excised. thoughts?

10:22:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40000 @ 0.00059257 = 23.7028 BTC [+] {4}

10:24:35 ben_vulpes: well thanks to phf's fine work, i implemented get-connection-count, get-difficulty, get-generate, and am going to sleep on set-generate.

10:25:19 punkman: it's not a boolean

10:25:40 ben_vulpes: get-difficulty is a straight rip of the c from bitcoinrpc.cpp

10:25:47 ben_vulpes: the others are all trivial

10:26:07 punkman: notice the single =

10:26:16 ben_vulpes: punkman: yeah, a bool there doesn't make sense because it's used as a number of processors.

10:27:04 ben_vulpes: punkman: yeah i have nfi

10:28:05 ben_vulpes: assigns nLP equivalent to nGPL and throws it down the chute?

10:28:44 ben_vulpes: why not just throw nGPL into WriteSetting?

10:29:14 ben_vulpes: AaronvanW: your connection details are leaking before your host gets applied

10:29:20 ben_vulpes: !up AaronvanW

10:29:50 ben_vulpes: anyways, i'm off to bed. thanks punkman.

10:30:04 punkman: ben_vulpes: because I guess nGPL is a global used somewhere else

10:30:11 punkman: and fuck yeah I saved a line!

10:30:13 AaronvanW: ben_vulpes: ah. any way to fix that?

10:30:16 ben_vulpes: phf, asciilifeform: this is a real treat to work with

10:30:33 punkman: AaronvanW: use SASL to login

10:30:43 ben_vulpes: AaronvanW: you want "sasl", and to instruct whatever client you're using to not join channels until it's done swizzling the sasl

10:31:08 AaronvanW: punkman ben_vulpes: will look into that, thanks

10:31:35 ben_vulpes: AaronvanW: cheers

10:31:53 punkman: ben_vulpes: second part isn't needed, sasl happens before the client can join anything

10:32:15 ben_vulpes: punkman: BUT IT'S ONLY USED IN SETGENERATE OMFGWTFBBQ

10:32:30 ben_vulpes: punkman: aha would you like a stack randomizer while we're at it?

10:32:44 punkman: I'll take two

10:32:55 ben_vulpes: more random stacks are more secure!

10:33:10 ben_vulpes: rot13 in your ssh!

10:33:25 ben_vulpes: mirror terminal output and learn to read backwards!

10:33:53 ben_vulpes: sing songs from mary poppins while reading gpg-grams to defeat the high-fidelity microphones!

10:34:09 *: ben_vulpes really to bed now

10:34:43 ben_vulpes: !up TheRealJohnGalt are we through the netsplit and can i yell at you about your flapping connection yet?

10:40:55 ben_vulpes: srsly.

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14:29:47 mircea_popescu: hhhola!

14:31:39 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2016#1417147 <<< this is so much like the "munca patriotica" bs you wouldn't believe.

14:31:39 assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 04:57:39; assbot: Mizzou Stream Team to hold outdoor clean-up events at local waterways – The Maneater ... ( http://bit.ly/1oGNd64 )

14:32:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8012 @ 0.00058356 = 4.6755 BTC [+]

14:37:28 shinohai: https://i.imgur.com/QGI9O5n.jpg

14:37:29 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/21szzFe )

14:37:30 mircea_popescu: Оборонно-массовая и патриотическая работа, ie what the whores (see То знай: за честь должна считать Знакомство юнкерского хуя!) and their litter does.

14:39:11 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2016#1417150 << there is no seession!

14:39:11 assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 05:28:53; asciilifeform: massive fleanode retardation

14:42:44 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2016#1417175 << i support this. the problem with the "easier" approach of "we don't cut whole parts but arbitrary fragments" is that now you not only baked in the fragmentator, which becomes one of your dependencies, but also have to keep track of arbitrary fragments, which are numerous (this is why replacing one file at a time, while dubious, is at least not involving MORE mov

14:42:44 assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 05:45:17; asciilifeform: it is to be amputated ~whole~. no motherfucking stumps.

14:42:44 mircea_popescu: ing parts than replacing by conceptual unit, which is why it's more apt to be contemplated) and will soon overwhelm any "easier" benefits early on.

14:44:32 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2016#1417192 <<< current shiva is two steps away from even ~beginning~ the process of standardization. people with lisp experience will supply common but ultimately inconsequential conventions (hyphens plox!), but in general speaking, shiva's usage and lisp's general lack of practical usage or utility means that our work here will actually standardize LISP just as much as bitco

14:44:32 assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 07:13:15; phf: i don't imagine it matters at the moment, can always shuffle things

14:44:32 mircea_popescu: in.

14:45:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24942 @ 0.00058469 = 14.5833 BTC [+] {2}

14:45:10 mircea_popescu: from what i hear lisp is "already standardized". i personally am not terribly persuaded by this claim, but will entertain it on a technical basis as the cases may come. who knows, maybe gabriel was right and it is.

14:46:23 mircea_popescu: in vaguely related news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/4dc9de1ffa726de86d8a1e8b40be897e/tumblr_mh3h7n1FfW1qddd4so1_1280.jpg

14:46:25 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1OFoww3 )

14:48:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70263 @ 0.00059025 = 41.4727 BTC [+] {2}

14:49:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26137 @ 0.00059459 = 15.5408 BTC [+]

14:49:21 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2016#1417213 << i think we'll have to give up the mp's select thing. it apparently doesn't work well enough, for reasons i/nobody can be bothered to debug, and besides, new ones will prolly constantly pop up.

14:49:21 assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 07:36:14; phf: it's got mp's select on it, but yeah, line numbers might be better

14:49:23 shinohai: ;;later tell mod6 http://btcinfo.sdf.org/node.html <<< back above 70% xD

14:49:24 assbot: dibbuk ... ( http://bit.ly/21sBppP )

14:49:24 gribble: The operation succeeded.

14:49:43 mircea_popescu: so goes my faint, if generous but doomed attempt to rescue javascript.

14:50:09 mircea_popescu: fortunately btcbase does not actually need it as much as flat text. (there's a difference between text that's line-addressable and text that's paragraph-addressable.)

14:52:39 mircea_popescu: you may think that "hey, so you just found your solution, have the machine put a ? or a ? before each paragraph and an anchor on it", but no. flat text is fundamentally different from ADRESSABLE text in general, the "paragraph-addressable" is a least-offensive kludge. and yes fraudsters is written deliberately, and constantly, with a view to breaking addressability from outside. because that's the sort of text it is, an

14:52:39 mircea_popescu: d if it WERE addressable it'd just be shittier text. much like the uniform for a whore, some good things ruin other good things.

14:53:51 mircea_popescu: and speaking of "good things that ruin other good things", is it generally obvious to the esteemed b-a WHY the movement to "more women in tech", "more women in army", "more women in bla-bla" trends ? i thought it is, but then again maybe i'm the only one to whom it is.\

14:55:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76500 @ 0.00059475 = 45.4984 BTC [+] {6}

15:06:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 153350 @ 0.00059522 = 91.277 BTC [+] {4}

15:09:41 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2016#1417240 <<what's misguided about that ?

15:09:41 assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 07:50:03; phf: signers is misguided, shows everyone participating in the press

15:10:22 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2016#1417252 << yep.

15:10:22 assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 08:10:57; phf: main issue with using select on btcbase page, changing dom basically breaks all links

15:11:22 mircea_popescu: i've been spending the ~week since the various selectatron discussions meditating on the problem. i do not believe javascript is rescuable. not withstanding all the effort derps put into it, javascript is fundamentally a broken idea that for this reason can never be useful.

15:11:30 mircea_popescu: it's really one of those things that should never have been.

15:12:43 mircea_popescu: roughly speaking the equivalnt of a shelf of make-up in the workshop or "i wanna watch tv on my computor" sorta things. get a husband / get a tv set if that's what you're trying to do and get out of everyone's way.

15:14:14 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2016#1417268 << i'm not proposing the guy is right or wrong re editor to use, mind. still, culture shock.

15:14:14 assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 08:22:54; punkman: mircea_popescu: .. supercute de-windows-ization : http://logs.minigame.bz/2016-02-27.log.html#t23:38:19 << I like the command line sure, but I find editing text without a mouse a hassle, same for trying to remember 1000 keyboard shortcuts for each of 100 apps, or having to spend 10 minutes to figure out obscure cli options to use something once.

15:15:55 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2016#1417288 << no, it's just made by cunts, in perl.

15:15:55 assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 08:46:40; punkman: http://www.brainsturbator.com/posts/409/the-human-brain-is-a-piece-of-shit

15:16:29 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2016#1417292 << resulted in "o, what are you, some sort of lunatic discussing the matter ? THERE IS AN ACTIVE INQUIRY GOING" for a fucking decade.

15:16:29 assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 09:00:26; punkman: 10 year inquiry that results in nothing in particular

15:16:52 mircea_popescu: then the SOPS goons wanna wonder why people don't give a shit about their nonsense.

15:17:33 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2016#1417308 << or even here.

15:17:33 assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 09:14:05; punkman: not a bad idea to write down reading notes and share on mailing list

15:18:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8317 @ 0.00059544 = 4.9523 BTC [+]

15:18:57 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2016#1417306 << i always thought that's one of the better gems of lolcomedy in that thing. you see, it's so fucking abstract, it calls the things to get the list of messages, hurr durr. no magic strings here, we just do calls!!11

15:18:57 assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 09:13:37; ben_vulpes: what i appear to have forgotten since the last time i looked into this pit of snakes is that it calls all of the rpc functions in turn to construct the help list.

15:19:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42283 @ 0.00059575 = 25.1901 BTC [+]

15:19:59 mircea_popescu: roughly speaking the equivalent of a man who married a street whore, had a daughter with her somehow, and now that the girl's of age being almost 11and a half he is very fond of demonstrating to random passerbys in the street just how unlike her mother the youngun is, through the age old process of stuffing bills in her various articles of clothing as "see, she doesn't even take the stocks off!"

15:20:35 mircea_popescu: stockings* lol.

15:24:05 mircea_popescu: omfg. "users by lines, last 7 days 1.) asciilifeform 1490 2.) mircea_popescu 1276" << NOOOOOOOOO

15:24:08 mircea_popescu: i have been replaced!!1

15:31:38 mircea_popescu: oh, and something for muscovites an' aspiring muscovites in the audience : http://36.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mc97rkXYRr1rfxsvfo1_1280.jpg

15:31:40 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/24vrFdm )

15:32:04 mircea_popescu: admire the cast iron heating element, and all the stale memes. my adolescence screaming from the dusts of time!

15:38:50 shinohai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2016#1417424 <<< quality

15:38:50 assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 15:31:38; mircea_popescu: oh, and something for muscovites an' aspiring muscovites in the audience : http://36.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mc97rkXYRr1rfxsvfo1_1280.jpg

16:09:43 shinohai: https://github.com/indutny/bcoin#features <<< broken javascript, now with segwit support :D

16:09:46 assbot: GitHub - indutny/bcoin: Small bitcoin library for node.js and browsers ... ( http://bit.ly/1TL9Tiq )

16:32:29 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2016#1417284 << wake me up when there is a 'lengthy public inquiry' into michael hastings. or slobo milosevich. or, ......

16:32:29 assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 08:31:50; punkman: "the release of the final report of a lengthy public inquiry into Mr. Litvinenko’s death."

16:32:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30122 @ 0.00059229 = 17.841 BTC [-]

16:33:33 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2016#1417227 << i think mircea_popescu would rather chew off his own fingers than pay programmers for whatever.

16:33:33 assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 07:43:07; ben_vulpes: i recommend a thorough course of benjies, piped straight through the developer funnel.

16:33:43 asciilifeform: and i certainly see the point of view.

16:34:05 mircea_popescu: if this thing is constructed on that process, we've therefore got nothing.

16:34:14 mircea_popescu: red hat can also pay.

16:34:18 asciilifeform: aha!

16:34:58 mircea_popescu: once red hat can not also pay, for the printing press was smashed, then yes. not before.

16:35:08 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2016#1417373 << ahahahahaha

16:35:08 assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 14:37:30; mircea_popescu: Оборонно-массовая и патриотическая работа, ie what the whores (see То знай: за честь должна считать Знакомство юнкерского хуя!) and their litter does.

16:35:11 *: asciilifeform falls down

16:35:58 mircea_popescu: culture, alfie.

16:37:11 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2016#1417379 << now this is complicated. commonlisp is standardized (next to ada, ~the~ most standardized language - compliance is iron, and you can actually ~use~ it as per the standard) - BUT - massive, and unsuitable for inclusion in a larger proggy. scheme, on the other hand, is also well-standardized - r5rs (ignore r6 and after, the weevils got to it) BUT the language is unusably

16:37:11 assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 14:44:32; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2016#1417192 <<< current shiva is two steps away from even ~beginning~ the process of standardization. people with lisp experience will supply common but ultimately inconsequential conventions (hyphens plox!), but in general speaking, shiva's usage and lisp's general lack of practical usage or utility means that our work here will actually standardize LISP ju

16:37:11 asciilifeform: minimal as specified in r5, AND ts does not fully implement r5 (largely in the interest of fits-in-head, but also original author's laziness)

16:37:49 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2016#1417383 << the real boojum is, shiva is EXACTLY the kind of scenario which produces ~atrocious~ lisps

16:37:49 assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 14:45:10; mircea_popescu: from what i hear lisp is "already standardized". i personally am not terribly persuaded by this claim, but will entertain it on a technical basis as the cases may come. who knows, maybe gabriel was right and it is.

16:37:52 asciilifeform: i.e. emacs

16:38:09 asciilifeform: think about it, a lisp with 10,000,001 opaque c/cpp primitives

16:38:12 asciilifeform: stinks regardless of what else.

16:38:23 asciilifeform: this is one of the reasons i sat on shiva for as long as i did

16:38:31 asciilifeform: and still an rather unsure that it was a good idea

16:38:34 asciilifeform: *am

16:39:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71142 @ 0.00058697 = 41.7582 BTC [-] {5}

16:39:04 asciilifeform: i dusted it off as a wartime wunderwaffen thing.

16:39:06 mircea_popescu: no, i am aware.

16:40:47 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2016#1417397 << scar tissue.

16:40:47 assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 14:53:51; mircea_popescu: and speaking of "good things that ruin other good things", is it generally obvious to the esteemed b-a WHY the movement to "more women in tech", "more women in army", "more women in bla-bla" trends ? i thought it is, but then again maybe i'm the only one to whom it is.\

16:41:00 asciilifeform: leads to moar scar tissue.

16:41:02 asciilifeform: elementary.

16:41:57 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2016#1417404 << it was made by shitpeople and thereby it could not have been anything but shit.

16:41:57 assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 15:11:22; mircea_popescu: i've been spending the ~week since the various selectatron discussions meditating on the problem. i do not believe javascript is rescuable. not withstanding all the effort derps put into it, javascript is fundamentally a broken idea that for this reason can never be useful.

16:42:14 asciilifeform: i.e. 'brogrammers' fueled by 'jolt' and cardboard pizza

16:42:23 asciilifeform: folks who belonged at the plow.

16:42:33 asciilifeform: and were given a computer by catastrophic mistake of history.

16:42:56 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> leads to moar scar tissue.

16:42:59 mircea_popescu: what's that mean ?

16:43:20 asciilifeform: failure of a mechanical system, or even of meat organ, tends to be a cascading phenomenon

16:43:28 mircea_popescu: this is true.

16:46:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12064 @ 0.00057982 = 6.9949 BTC [-]

16:50:34 mircea_popescu: nevertheless, try an actual reasoning (ie, from causes) rather than a faux-fiatesque monstrosity (as to purposes)

16:51:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64200 @ 0.00057882 = 37.1602 BTC [-] {2}

16:51:17 asciilifeform: how is 'gangrene produces more gangrene' not 'from cause' ?

16:53:06 mircea_popescu: produces.

16:53:40 mircea_popescu: "i do x because x produces y" is fundamentally THE forward-looking statement.

16:54:05 asciilifeform: rust catalyzes rust. there is no purpose baked into the statement.

16:54:14 asciilifeform: elementary 'x pushes y.'

16:54:33 mircea_popescu: "if no wind"

16:54:38 asciilifeform: aha

16:54:45 asciilifeform: ergo we learn that there was no wind.

16:54:46 mircea_popescu: this is the problem with forward-looking attempts at thought.

16:55:02 mircea_popescu: they end up baking in untested because unknown assumptions.

16:55:06 mircea_popescu: which is why it's not thought.

16:55:25 mircea_popescu: more generally, and for extensibility & standardization purposes, the canonical form :

16:55:36 mircea_popescu: "i do x because x IS y" < correct. thought. from cause.

16:55:51 mircea_popescu: "i do x because x OUGHT TO y" < wrong. non-thought. towards purpose.

16:56:10 asciilifeform: the first form only wins you anything if you've thoroughly nailed down the 'is'

16:56:13 mircea_popescu: all "produces" reduce to "ought to", easier for people who comprehend enough physics to know time is not a thing, but even for more pedestrian minds.

16:56:32 mircea_popescu: which is why i put the question in asciilifeform , the is is actually thoroughly nailed down for this scope.

16:56:57 asciilifeform: i suppose i'm thick, then

16:57:04 asciilifeform: let's have the canonical form ?

16:57:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16700 @ 0.0005788 = 9.666 BTC [-] {3}

16:57:32 mircea_popescu: women, not in the sense of individuals but in the sense of the mass monster they constitute in aggregate, are always and everywhere in favour of the state and the statu quo.

16:58:02 mircea_popescu: note that it is not said "have more WOMAN, as in, have more of the romanian chick at mit who wrote the ai guy's eulogy"

16:58:20 mircea_popescu: it is "have more women". the statistical entity.

16:58:46 mircea_popescu: much like the 1st soviets would have said "have more politruk/comissars in the army", the 2nd soviets want more women, unspecified, in tech.

16:59:03 mircea_popescu: for the same reason - army could have overthrown soviets, tech can overthrow soviets etc.

16:59:03 asciilifeform: mr mold described it in precisely these terms.

16:59:07 mircea_popescu: no ?!

16:59:10 asciilifeform: yes.

16:59:15 mircea_popescu: linkplox ?

16:59:19 mircea_popescu: might be his best article then.

16:59:21 *: asciilifeform digs

16:59:36 asciilifeform: here's a small lul meanwhile, https://cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2016-February/012434.html

16:59:39 assbot: The Natseckers ... ( http://bit.ly/1n8am01 )

17:01:11 asciilifeform: http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2007/09/real-meaning-of-diversity.html << possibly this was it.

17:01:13 assbot: Unqualified Reservations: The real meaning of diversity ... ( http://bit.ly/1n8aCfp )

17:01:16 mircea_popescu: anyway. to continue the thought - the usg and its ephemera are deeply and fundamentally antifeminist. they hate women as individuals and aim to exploit them as a mass. this is EXACTLY the situation of black people in the antebellum south : hated as individuals, exploited as a group.

17:01:18 asciilifeform: the 'party member in every lift'.

17:02:32 mircea_popescu: ben and jerry's is ultrapremium icecream ?

17:02:39 asciilifeform: nfi.

17:03:17 *: asciilifeform doesn't buy frozen concentrates, does not distinguish the grades

17:04:17 mircea_popescu: i don't see how this sawed off grenade made for the purpose of convincing kids not to make or use grenades you linked has anything at all to do with the bomb above, tbh.

17:04:20 mircea_popescu: maybe in a very generous reading ?

17:04:33 mircea_popescu: but... he speaks of minorities. minorities are not women. what's the logic ?

17:04:40 asciilifeform: i'm not convinced that this is the correct link.

17:05:00 mircea_popescu: now im stuck reading another mile long pile of yarvinesque nonsense ? ;/

17:05:03 asciilifeform: in fact, a good chunk of what i remember as 'moldbuggery' appears to be a synthesis that exists nowhere outside of my own head (and occasionally the logz)

17:05:09 mircea_popescu: haha

17:05:33 asciilifeform: but at any rate, he is speaking of something palpably real and known to virtually all usaschwitz inmates.

17:05:42 asciilifeform: 'there is to be a Party member in every lift.'

17:06:07 mircea_popescu: but this is not a matter of parties per se. it is not a matter of conviction, it is a matter of biology.

17:06:16 asciilifeform: 'there is not to be a physical space where you feel safe speaking' is the ultimate objective of all sov-style systems.

17:06:30 mircea_popescu: funny, let's ask allah

17:07:16 mircea_popescu: Ù… أَلَمْ تَرَ Ø£ÙŽÙ†ÙŽÙ‘ اللَّهَ يَعْلَمُ مَا فِي السَّمَاوَاتِ وَمَا فِي الْأَرْضِ مَا يَكُونُ مِن نَّجْوَى ثَلاÙ

17:07:16 mircea_popescu: ‹Ø«ÙŽØ©Ù إلاَّ هُوَ رَابِعُهُمْ وَلاَ خَمْسَةٍ إِلاَّ هُوَ سَادِسُهُمْ وَلاَ أَدْنَى مِن ذَلِكَ وَلاَ أَكْثَرَ إِÙ

17:07:17 mircea_popescu: „اَّ هُÙ

17:07:20 mircea_popescu: o.O

17:07:23 asciilifeform: my poor console

17:07:25 mircea_popescu: look at that, allah is not welcome in the logs!

17:07:31 asciilifeform: hey it worked when i did it

17:07:40 mircea_popescu: ?Do you not see that Allah knows whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth? Nowhere is there a secret counsel between three persons but He is the fourth of them, nor (between) five but He is the sixth of them, nor less than that nor more but He is with them where ever they are; then He will inform them of what they did on the day of resurrection: surely Allah is Aware of all things.?

17:07:42 asciilifeform: allah likes utf-8.

17:07:45 mircea_popescu: there. another socialism.

17:08:12 mircea_popescu: which goes right back to a much older thread re arabs and women and how it all works.

17:08:29 asciilifeform: and yes, totalitarian state consists of implementing in the flesh, precisely this.

17:08:34 mircea_popescu: islam is not specifically oppressive of women. it is merely opressive of INDIVIDUAL women enough so that the men may be persuaded to swallow socialism.

17:08:56 asciilifeform: 'subscribe and we'll help you hold her still for a spell' ?

17:09:04 mircea_popescu: that enough bar is necessarily higher in eastern societies, that aren't quite as fucktarded as anglotwerps, and so here we go.

17:09:48 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform allow me to quote from the prophet moar!

17:09:49 mircea_popescu: "172 ? Rule: Men are allowed to speak to non-Mahram women as long as the following two conditions are met: It is not with the intention of lust. "

17:10:02 mircea_popescu: so... not even! subscribe and we'll give you one free cow!

17:10:31 asciilifeform: 'while supplies last!'

17:10:37 mircea_popescu: quite.

17:10:50 mircea_popescu: but in any case - do not talk to the ones that don't have the official allakhu-snackbar brand,

17:11:05 mircea_popescu: lest you hear evil things of sin and decide to throw all this crap in the septic tank where it belongs.

17:11:18 asciilifeform: sop.

17:11:56 mircea_popescu: (unrelatedly - i've re-read the arabic old texts. the previous time i did this they ended up in the fire. somehow, the shit's grown EVEN MORE offensive over the years. scarcely can explain this wonder - the people involved have been dead for a thousand years.)

17:12:20 asciilifeform: this works as well on ancient texts as on microshit

17:12:25 mircea_popescu: not on all.

17:12:31 mircea_popescu: augustus is as readable as ever.

17:12:50 asciilifeform: naturally not on all. only the psychiatrically-inspired ones.

17:12:50 mircea_popescu: or fine - should you protest virtue is cheap for the purpled - shakespeare, idem. and that man had absolutely no virtue.

17:13:25 phf: ben_vulpes: get-difficulty is a straight rip of the c from bitcoinrpc.cpp << correct way to do that one is to write get-index-best that returns block-index structure that you can get bits value from, and then have get-difficulty do all the equivalent calculations in scheme, bitshifting and all

17:13:39 asciilifeform: phf has it.

17:13:54 mircea_popescu: sounds pretty good.

17:13:58 phf: we don't have a way to serialize/deserialize yet, so the point is moot, but probably not for long

17:14:16 asciilifeform: the tricky bit is that for a while you end up with 2 routines that do (nominally) same thing

17:14:19 asciilifeform: but are uncoupled.

17:14:23 asciilifeform: hell on wheels.

17:15:33 phf: well, luckily get-difficulty is only used in rpc, so can be nuked upon rewrite

17:15:40 phf: but yeah, much duplicate

17:19:38 phf: re standartization, issue i'm personally running into is that we can drag tinyscheme in the direction of common lisp or stick to scheme conventions. both have downsides

17:20:07 mircea_popescu: phf and do you take the further step and say "since all ambiguity is definitionally bad design, we prolly need to cut this knot at a higher level" ?

17:20:20 asciilifeform: phf: i'd go for whichever ~weighs less~ (and not in the idiot scheme community metric of 'the language weighs less') but THE AGGREGATE

17:25:00 asciilifeform: 'DoJ is required to cloak NSA-CIA capabilities by pretending full sharing does not take place. Redacted and excluded filings and decisions by DoJ, district, appeal, SCOTUS and FISA courts along with open and classified executive orders by and POTUS, and best of all, classified contracts, implements this. ... Going to court melodramatizes and sanitizes the bung-holing (like USG v. Apple) with in camera, withholding, stonewalli

17:25:00 asciilifeform: ng and denying.' << mega-l0l

17:26:08 mircea_popescu: lol

17:26:16 mircea_popescu: in other similar news, from the piece you linked,

17:26:37 mircea_popescu: The California Supreme Court took up its first diversity case in almost seven years today, agreeing to decide the legality of San Francisco's program that grants preferences for aryan contractors. The court granted a hearing on appeals by two companies that say the city ordinance violates Proposition 209, the 1996 initiative that outlawed aryan preferences in public contracting, employment and education

17:26:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11250 @ 0.00057916 = 6.5156 BTC [+]

17:26:53 asciilifeform: aha.

17:27:18 asciilifeform: mr mold, if this was not clear, was playing hofstadter's word-swap game.

17:27:28 mircea_popescu: yeah, and the result is actually not bad.

17:27:37 asciilifeform: quite.

17:27:44 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo might actually be a good idea for qntra to establish a standard procedure to do this.

17:28:10 mircea_popescu: there is really little cause to discuss usg behaviours in any other terms, and there's very good cause to NOT discuss it in the terms usg itself comes up with.

17:28:21 mircea_popescu: after all, no physch writes up disease in patient terms.

17:28:53 *: asciilifeform has followed this dictum since forever.

17:29:19 mircea_popescu: in general the first requirement of thought is "use language derived from the objects not the subjects"

17:30:37 mircea_popescu: of course, for some reason he calls it navrozov's

17:31:01 asciilifeform: briefly revisiting john young's thing on cpunks, 'full sharing' does not ~always~ take place. the lizards don't give a flying fuck re: a dead snackbar.

17:31:24 asciilifeform: glass cannons are fired when merited, e.g., 'silk road'.

17:31:29 mircea_popescu: aha.

17:32:04 mircea_popescu: "The commission found evidence that city staffers had failed to enforce diversity and had unfairly blamed aryan-owned firms for delays in projects."

17:32:47 *: asciilifeform bbl, food

17:34:49 phf: mircea_popescu: what would be a higher level here?

17:35:07 mircea_popescu: i have no fucking idea.

17:35:12 mircea_popescu: but ignorance is scarce defense.

17:35:39 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo might actually be a good idea for qntra to establish a standard procedure to do this. << There already is. Tack a paragraph on top of it explaining its deviance from sanity and wrap the document as plaintext in block quotes

17:36:03 phf: to some extent init.scm is like a v patchset, functions referencing functions, which is in turn a popularity contest, except not directly supported by wot

17:36:19 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i mean specific transforms. "minority groups" to be rendered "aryans". etc. would require some time spent with the fishwraps i guess.

17:36:32 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Aha

17:36:42 mircea_popescu: phf ithought we were disucssing the cl vs scheme thing ?

17:37:39 mircea_popescu: "Under the Republic an almost unlimited frankness in public utterances was tolerated and a considerable confusion of the mind, unfeigned and unabashed, was bared to everyone's inspection. Under the Dictatorship only one idea of political and philosophical relevance could be safely expressed. As a result, public utterances became uniform and, in the same proportion, insincere." heh. said of every republic ever.

17:38:00 BingoBoingo: "minority groups" likely transforms on its context to "political patrons" "loyal mobs" and "select demographics"

17:38:39 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo the power of this scheme, such as it is, is reductionism. specifically : map a large number of idiocies on the same (historical) term for similar idiocies. it is a dangerous gamble.

17:38:54 mircea_popescu: and of course never is the gamble discussed, or the mechanism for that matter.

17:39:20 mircea_popescu: afair hofstadter doesn't, at leasty.

17:42:35 ben_vulpes: phf: ah! serialization.

17:42:57 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'll give this some more though today as I take my turn at the homestead clearing debris

17:44:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25945 @ 0.00057982 = 15.0434 BTC [+]

17:45:33 ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2016#1417563 << right, good point. what other commands aren't candidates for porting?

17:45:33 assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 17:15:33; phf: well, luckily get-difficulty is only used in rpc, so can be nuked upon rewrite

17:49:34 ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2016#1417448 << btcfs, btcos, btclisp...

17:49:34 assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 16:37:49; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2016#1417383 << the real boojum is, shiva is EXACTLY the kind of scenario which produces ~atrocious~ lisps

17:53:59 phf: ben_vulpes: i meant original can be nuked

17:54:54 ben_vulpes: oh i see

17:55:44 mircea_popescu: btw, asciilifeform any clue as to why he has it in for powell ? would it be anything other than the man's notice in the supreme court record that a woman raped sustains thereby no serious or lasting injury ?

18:00:21 phf: "I’m a Former Green Beret and Here’s How I Would Bring Down Bitcoin" wtf

18:00:44 phf: i think that was in logs, but i just parsed that header

18:06:25 BingoBoingo: phf: The content was basically remedial destructive social engineering

18:08:55 mircea_popescu: twas

18:09:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13887 @ 0.00058074 = 8.0647 BTC [+] {3}

18:30:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68100 @ 0.0005808 = 39.5525 BTC [+] {2}

18:36:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67902 @ 0.00058334 = 39.61 BTC [+] {2}

18:49:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42200 @ 0.00059254 = 25.0052 BTC [+] {2}

19:05:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41160 @ 0.00058777 = 24.1926 BTC [-] {2}

19:25:19 phf: ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/patches/phf-shiva-swank#L373

19:25:21 assbot: phf-shiva-swank ... ( http://bit.ly/1QPKWCp )

19:43:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12500 @ 0.00058777 = 7.3471 BTC [-]

19:53:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37500 @ 0.00058777 = 22.0414 BTC [-]

20:05:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81700 @ 0.00058747 = 47.9963 BTC [-] {3}

20:13:27 oglafbot: http://oglaf.com/fullthrottle/

20:13:28 assbot: Full Throttle ... ( http://bit.ly/1WRI2vf )

20:19:31 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2016#1417611 << nfi

20:19:31 assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 17:55:44; mircea_popescu: btw, asciilifeform any clue as to why he has it in for powell ? would it be anything other than the man's notice in the supreme court record that a woman raped sustains thereby no serious or lasting injury ?

20:19:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75743 @ 0.00058665 = 44.4346 BTC [-] {3}

20:20:30 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2016#1417621 << this is spiffy but why did you have to put getunixtime as a primop??!!

20:20:30 assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 19:25:19; phf: ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/patches/phf-shiva-swank#L373

20:20:47 asciilifeform: there are only so many empty primop slots

20:20:58 asciilifeform: i dun get it

20:21:31 asciilifeform: could've lived happily as an ordinary routine.

20:31:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54157 @ 0.00058593 = 31.7322 BTC [-] {2}

20:45:47 phf: asciilifeform: i'm not convinced yet one way or another. "ordinary routine" in tinyscheme is considered to be a crossboundary ffi, and is only enabled when building non-standalone

20:48:55 kakobrekla: o hey http://classic-cloud.net

20:48:56 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1QngMkd )

20:49:09 phf: i was thinking that get-unix-time is a language feature, that's bedrock (i.e. being able to query wallclock), and can be used to build other abstractions on time, right now used for timing, but should be used as base for get-universal-time/decode-universal-time/get-decoded-time

20:49:21 phf: *on top

20:50:45 kakobrekla: redditards also report Well, the DDoSer(s) are hitting my home network now. Can't use my internet. I have been running a Classic node., DDOS on Classic nodes, DDoS started again. Have a nice day, guys :)

20:51:03 shinohai: hue

20:57:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45569 @ 0.00058559 = 26.6848 BTC [-]

20:58:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3186 @ 0.00058022 = 1.8486 BTC [-]

21:07:12 BingoBoingo: !up botneko-chan

21:07:16 BingoBoingo: hello

21:07:32 botneko-chan: Hi

21:09:27 BingoBoingo: What brings you around these parts today?

21:09:36 BingoBoingo: !up pizzaman1337

21:12:51 botneko-chan: kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-02-2016#1416114 < whomever is ddosing f2pool pleae contact me and ill contribute to your efforts

21:12:51 assbot: Logged on 26-02-2016 18:41:28; punkman: lol "@petertodd: Whomever is DoS attacking f2pool please stop. You're only making it harder to come to consensus."

21:13:04 botneko-chan: is that guy here?

21:13:14 mircea_popescu: what guy

21:13:23 botneko-chan: kakobrekla

21:13:28 mircea_popescu: yeah, he is.

21:14:03 botneko-chan: What's his nickname?

21:14:07 mircea_popescu: ...

21:14:09 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla lol

21:14:39 botneko-chan: Don't see him online

21:14:54 mircea_popescu: i guess your irc is broken.

21:15:16 mircea_popescu: ;;seen kakobrekla

21:15:26 botneko-chan: Maybe, I'm using web irc

21:15:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81367 @ 0.00058022 = 47.2108 BTC [-] {2}

21:15:34 mircea_popescu: apparently, gribble also broken

21:15:43 gribble: kakobrekla was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 24 minutes and 32 seconds ago: <kakobrekla> redditards also report Well, the DDoSer(s) are hitting my home network now. Can't use my internet. I have been running a Classic node., DDOS on Classic nodes, DDoS started again. Have a nice day, guys :)

21:18:29 kakobrekla: oh what a turmoil in b-a

21:19:02 kakobrekla: botneko-chan are you ddosing f2pool?

21:19:12 botneko-chan: not

21:19:20 botneko-chan: but I'm ddosing classic nodes

21:19:36 botneko-chan: can ddos pool too for $

21:20:04 kakobrekla: am i think or whats the point of ddosing nodes, its the blocks that count.

21:20:25 botneko-chan: Will be ddosing pools after some time

21:20:34 mircea_popescu: botneko-chan suppose you get yourself a key, get in the wot.

21:21:29 botneko-chan: what does "wot" mean? I'm non-native speeker

21:21:38 mircea_popescu: web of trust.

21:22:10 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/

21:22:11 assbot: What the WoT is for, how it works and how to use it. on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1NpJ1vR )

21:24:06 botneko-chan: kakobrekla do you want to pay for pool ddos? We can talk privately, my xmpp adress is ddosservice@sj.ms

21:25:15 kakobrekla: we can talk about that but we can do it on irc and its advised to get in the wot first or else i wont know who im talking to soon

21:25:27 mircea_popescu: in other news, http://45.media.tumblr.com/51ed62e8e314a2ff1bcd13939c97b495/tumblr_mo98qd6baF1qlne6uo1_400.gif

21:25:31 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Rdmt4b )

21:25:43 *: BingoBoingo wonders if this is the cool kind of DDoS with angle grinders, kerosense, and thermite or the boring kind with packets

21:25:44 asciilifeform: l0l megastarfish

21:25:52 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform competence exists in all fields.

21:26:25 asciilifeform: quite!

21:26:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50400 @ 0.00058022 = 29.2431 BTC [-]

21:28:29 BingoBoingo: https://i.imgur.com/eaoBeWc.png

21:28:30 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1LonYzE )

21:39:06 BingoBoingo: !up botneko-chan

21:59:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21873 @ 0.00058544 = 12.8053 BTC [+] {3}

22:01:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44900 @ 0.00058618 = 26.3195 BTC [+] {5}

22:24:01 asciilifeform: phun phakt: 'libreboot' won't build without 'unifont'

22:24:06 asciilifeform: a GRUB2 TURD

22:24:11 asciilifeform: MOTHERFUCKERS

22:24:32 asciilifeform: whole project is a sad joke

22:24:38 asciilifeform: and i'm the only one, it seems, who knows this?

22:24:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32065 @ 0.00058022 = 18.6048 BTC [-] {2}

22:25:21 asciilifeform: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-grub/2014-09/msg00002.html << folks complained in 2014, latest ver STILL DOES

22:25:22 assbot: [bug #43188] Allow headless 'coreboot' builds without unifont/freetype ... ( http://bit.ly/1KVKrEu )

22:25:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28285 @ 0.00058001 = 16.4056 BTC [-] {2}

22:26:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 113168 @ 0.00058617 = 66.3357 BTC [+] {3}

22:27:03 asciilifeform: !s grub2

22:27:04 assbot: 16 results for 'grub2' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=grub2

22:27:07 asciilifeform: ^ see also.

22:27:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84532 @ 0.00059406 = 50.2171 BTC [+] {5}

22:29:43 ben_vulpes: neat phf

22:43:25 mats: libreboot doesn't exclude turds as part of its philosophy iirc

22:44:12 BingoBoingo: More accurate: Libreboot is perfectly happy to include turds so long as they have an RMS approved license

22:47:04 phf: rms doesn't see вредительство as a problem, but it's also the kind of a problem for which there's no technical solution

22:49:31 phf: ("wrecking")

22:50:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49845 @ 0.00059492 = 29.6538 BTC [+] {3}

22:53:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53400 @ 0.00058398 = 31.1845 BTC [-] {2}

22:54:47 asciilifeform: phf: aha, he had a rather odd reaction when confronted with the libnss thing back in the day

22:54:59 asciilifeform: how do you tell a man that he's munchausen's horse ?

22:55:27 asciilifeform: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/93/Gottfried_Franz_-_Munchhausen_with_a_half-horse.jpg << that one.

22:55:36 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1oHYTFt )

22:56:02 asciilifeform: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/69/Bodenwerder-M%C3%BCnchhausen-Denkmal.jpg << there apparently exist a multitude of pics of it

22:56:04 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1oHYS4D )

23:05:35 BingoBoingo: !up dLVcJF3D

23:10:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24850 @ 0.00058398 = 14.5119 BTC [-] {2}

23:10:59 mircea_popescu: phf whart do you mean not technical solution ?

23:30:34 phf: it's not clear to me how to enforce it without human in the loop. a monkey can enforce gpl, but it takes thinking human in the loop to identify a wrecker code

23:32:00 mircea_popescu: well, if there is wrecker code there's probably a systematic problem at work

23:32:26 mircea_popescu: imo gpl/gnu/foss/blabla is all sunk by the fact that they wish to oppose SOME effects of socialism, while staying socialist.

23:32:38 mircea_popescu: put a wot in there, give up on the idea that people are fungible, problem goes away.

23:35:44 mircea_popescu: i suppose this would still be a human as opposed to "technical" problem.

23:35:48 phf: but those are all social solutions.

23:35:58 mircea_popescu: but on thinking about it, i guess in the end i disagree there even could be such a thing as a technical problem.

23:36:34 mircea_popescu: not that the abstract notion isn't tempting. but i fear it may well be one of those, dwim things.

23:36:41 kakobrekla: !rate botneko-chan 1 on the right side of the fight

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23:36:57 asciilifeform: a 'technical problem' is simply shorthand for problem where the solution is extremely well-defined. e.g., wire is broken, does not conduct, telegraph does not go. solution is technical - mend wire.

23:36:58 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla did you verify he's actually doing anything ?

23:37:05 kakobrekla: yes

23:37:14 kakobrekla: !v assbot:kakobrekla.rate.botneko-chan.1:372fe5c6cd69890f7a019e85895ee222c172f71dbea35edc85cca5a1a845d1fc

23:37:14 assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for botneko-chan with note: on the right side of the fight

23:37:20 mircea_popescu: botneko-chan post an addy, i'll send you some on the strength of his word.

23:37:26 asciilifeform: since when do we particularly need to ddos anybody..?

23:37:33 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "wire is broken because it's in the path of foxes to chicken coop" ?

23:37:34 asciilifeform: am i thick?

23:37:59 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform we don't. but i'm giving moneyz to girls that go topless. why not to guys that live on own two feet ?

23:38:00 phf: well, technical solution to social problem is the one where you get a social system running, come back in 30 years, the expected output is still present, even if perhaps diminished

23:38:15 mircea_popescu: at least this fellow i won't have to persuade about the benefits of you know, getting the fuck out of the us.

23:38:18 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i think ddosers live on six feet.

23:38:41 mircea_popescu: heh howssat ?

23:39:11 asciilifeform: like all insecta

23:39:12 mircea_popescu: phf wherein the dtime and dresult are a measurement of the idiocy of the people involved.

23:39:27 mircea_popescu: ie, if they're dumb as rocks, no variance in result.

23:42:32 phf: right, but that's a feature

23:43:49 botneko-chan: 1FVmpGHMPqQDvRFFuDSJj9xBsB3WS4QjD :)

23:44:36 botneko-chan: I'll keep ddosing classic for month and also going to try ddos pool mining it

23:45:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34363 @ 0.00058692 = 20.1683 BTC [+] {3}

23:47:31 mircea_popescu: eh, relax an' have fun.

23:47:58 botneko-chan: Thanks :)

23:48:46 botneko-chan: Lol I'm hhaving. Actually I more love fun from ddos, money is a good bonus

23:49:33 punkman: botneko-chan: was anyone else paying for ddos on nodes/pools?

23:50:19 botneko-chan: There's one man ordered ddos

23:50:53 botneko-chan: I don't know who, actually I'm working with another guy that talks with clients

23:51:24 punkman: cool

23:51:29 botneko-chan: Even if I would I wouldn't say, client must remain anonymous

23:54:13 punkman: hey now there's an answer for http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1374471

23:54:13 assbot: Logged on 17-01-2016 17:05:27; DerpUnion: are there any plans on attking any xchgs/processors who switch to classic

23:54:48 punkman: except no need for "plans"

23:58:29 botneko-chan: currently no