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00:04:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00095537 = 5.3501 BTC [+]

00:06:06 mod6: ahh, yeah made that bot that does atc stats. want me to add it in here mp?

00:06:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.0742218 = 0.1484 BTC [-]

00:07:27 mircea_popescu: "Congrats to talented and beautiful @LaurenMBias for her award from @NYULYP for commitment to community, philanthropy and entrepreneurism."

00:07:29 dub: hmm the farm I buy my olive oil from has been for sale for a while, IPO?

00:07:31 mircea_popescu: ima get a fucking aneurism.

00:07:42 mircea_popescu: mod6 please

00:08:59 mircea_popescu: "All but one of the individual winners of Pulitzer Prizes in journalism this year were male." << this is particularly funny in romanian

00:09:01 mircea_popescu: ;;ud puli

00:09:01 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Puli | A massive chav; someone with no class. Often fond of wearing tracksuits, caps and gold chains.

00:09:02 ozbot: Urban Dictionary: Puli

00:09:07 mircea_popescu: ;;ud pula

00:09:08 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pula | pula. the Romanian word for dick/cock. Imi bag pula-n mãta. Esti o pulã bleagã. Sugi pula la ... "Mooom, would you give me 5 pula i wanna buy a condom". "Look  ...

00:09:08 ozbot: Urban Dictionary: pula

00:09:14 mircea_popescu: well puli is teh plural.

00:10:03 mod6: Ok, will do. It has the ability to broadcast x-bt atc/btc trades as well, its not turned on by default.

00:10:09 mod6: Let me know if you'd like that as well.

00:10:30 mircea_popescu: that may be a little much

00:11:03 mod6: agreed.

00:11:06 mircea_popescu: maybe have it print the day's average once a day ?

00:11:21 mod6: it has a !ticker command. that should suffice.

00:11:24 mircea_popescu: can it do that ? like 23 @ 0.03400009 = 0.782 BTC {144} sort of thing

00:11:30 kakobrekla: on demand is fine really

00:11:32 mircea_popescu: or that yes. better.

00:11:35 mod6: *nod*

00:11:44 mod6: one moment

00:12:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1900 @ 0.00095704 = 1.8184 BTC [+]

00:13:14 mod6: !up BitOTTer839

00:13:14 assbot: Voicing BitOTTer839 for 30 minutes.

00:13:17 mircea_popescu: !ticker

00:13:17 assbot: Um, shouldn't you be with your own tribe or somethin'?

00:13:20 BitOTTer839: [X-BT] Bid: 0.00000200 Ask: 0.00000240 Last Price: 0.00000230 24h Vol: 880876.00000000 High: 0.00000230 Low: 0.00000150 VWAP: 0.00000192

00:13:23 mircea_popescu: lol

00:13:31 mircea_popescu: needs a diff control sequence huh

00:13:50 kakobrekla: change the prefix or command

00:13:51 mod6: ok, give me a minute. i'll change it to like '%' or something

00:14:00 mircea_popescu: ~ ?

00:14:03 kakobrekla: !! ?

00:14:08 mircea_popescu: !!ticker

00:14:16 mircea_popescu: doesn't that bother assbot ?

00:14:30 kakobrekla: i wouldnt think so, but whatever.

00:14:57 mircea_popescu: mod6 also, make it short. ~t

00:14:57 kakobrekla: you can do 8====D if you want

00:15:11 mod6: lol

00:15:25 kakobrekla: and 8=D for short tiny one.

00:15:29 mod6: ok mp, i'll add another short code for it.

00:15:32 mod6: haha

00:15:53 mircea_popescu: so this makes how many bots, 7 ?

00:15:56 mod6: so '%' ok then? i don't want to interfere with assbot

00:16:15 kakobrekla: 4 ?

00:16:29 mircea_popescu: !up pankkake

00:16:29 assbot: Voicing pankkake for 30 minutes.

00:16:29 BingoBoingo: artifexd: I'll decline to comment on what I may or may not be doing to ATC prices

00:16:45 kakobrekla: ass gribs ozzy and now bitotter

00:16:51 mircea_popescu: mpexbot

00:16:54 kakobrekla: ugly name btw!

00:16:56 mircea_popescu: there's the scammer hunter bot

00:17:00 kakobrekla: right that thing.

00:17:13 mircea_popescu: that's 6. was another too

00:17:28 mircea_popescu: !up pizzaman1338

00:17:28 assbot: Voicing pizzaman1338 for 30 minutes.

00:17:38 mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot pizzaman1338

00:17:39 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user pizzaman1338: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=pizzaman1338 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=pizzaman1338 | Rated since: never

00:17:44 mircea_popescu: meh.

00:17:48 mircea_popescu: ;;rate pizzaman1338 1 New blood.

00:17:49 gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.

00:17:53 kakobrekla: its 1337 in the wot

00:17:53 pankkake: isn't it 1337?

00:17:58 mircea_popescu: it is ?

00:18:01 mircea_popescu: ;;rate pizzaman1337

00:18:01 gribble: (rate <nick> <rating> [<notes>]) -- Enters a rating for <nick> in the amount of <rating>. Use optional <notes> field to enter any notes you have about this user. <nick> must be the user's GPG-registered username, Your previously existing rating, if any, will be overwritten.

00:18:02 kakobrekla: you also rated him already

00:18:06 mircea_popescu: a ok.

00:18:13 *: mircea_popescu reaches for his lechitin

00:18:38 pankkake: came to say reading http://www.reddit.com/user/JuicyGrabs has been my dirty pleasure

00:18:53 mircea_popescu: pankkake did you ragequit earlier ?

00:18:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26600 @ 0.00095704 = 25.4573 BTC [+]

00:19:04 pankkake: I am a ragequitter at heart

00:19:14 mircea_popescu: ahahahaha

00:19:16 dub: french after all

00:19:18 pankkake: anyway

00:19:22 pankkake: yeah, perhaps

00:19:26 mircea_popescu: dude i never made someone ragequit before.

00:19:41 mircea_popescu: and i thought you werre supposed to be like a pro troll or some shit anyway

00:19:44 thestringpuller: https://www.startup.sx/ << has this been discussed?

00:19:49 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla crypton is also a bot.

00:20:02 kakobrekla: what for

00:20:05 pankkake: I'm a cocotte minute

00:20:11 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller this'd better be about sex.

00:20:23 mircea_popescu: "A Regulated Global Marketplace for Startup Investing and Funding"

00:20:24 mircea_popescu: meh

00:22:40 mod6: !up BitOTTer872

00:22:40 assbot: Voicing BitOTTer872 for 30 minutes.

00:22:44 mod6: %t

00:22:45 BitOTTer872: [X-BT] Bid: 0.00000200 Ask: 0.00000240 Last Price: 0.00000230 24h Vol: 880876.00000000 High: 0.00000230 Low: 0.00000150 VWAP: 0.00000192

00:22:57 mod6: %help

00:22:58 BitOTTer872: %t | %ticker | %book | %diff | %tx <tx_id> | %bal <ATC Address> | %atc_mined | %block <block_height> | %last_block | %cm_rate | %ptp_rate

00:23:34 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller no about page other than a desk.com account, and a bunch of spinoff websites (http://curacao.sgggroup.com/en/dutch-carribbean-securities-exchange ) etc.

00:24:03 mircea_popescu: quite snugly fit on the scam stock exchange mo. bitcoin as a bonus i guess.

00:24:19 mircea_popescu: %book

00:24:20 BitOTTer872: [X-BT] ASK: 70000.00000000 ATC @ 0.00000248 BTC

00:24:21 BitOTTer872: [X-BT] ASK: 10000.00000000 ATC @ 0.00000245 BTC

00:24:21 BitOTTer872: [X-BT] ASK: 65000.00000000 ATC @ 0.00000240 BTC

00:24:21 BitOTTer872: [X-BT] BID: 99000.00000000 ATC @ 0.00000200 BTC

00:24:21 BitOTTer872: [X-BT] BID: 100000.00000000 ATC @ 0.00000170 BTC

00:24:24 BitOTTer872: [X-BT] BID: 75000.00000000 ATC @ 0.00000160 BTC

00:24:32 mircea_popescu: mod6 srsly needs to put it all on one line

00:25:13 mircea_popescu: preferably 70k@248 10k@245 65k@240 | 99k @200 100k @170 etc

00:25:16 mod6: ok. ill work on that a bit. that's probably the most verbose one. all the others are one line iirc.

00:25:30 mod6: give me a few here...

00:25:35 mircea_popescu: no big rush

00:25:56 BingoBoingo: %mined

00:26:09 BingoBoingo: %atc_mined

00:26:10 BitOTTer872: [ATC Mined] ATC Mined (to date): 15500800 Total ATC (to be mined): 268435456 % Mined of Total: 5.77

00:26:14 pankkake: %tslb

00:27:03 mod6: %last_block

00:27:03 BitOTTer872: [ATC Last Block] Height: 30276 Time: 2014-04-27T23:21:28Z Vout Sum: 1024 Number TXs: 2 Difficulty: 455357.12903751 Hash: 00000000000003dd8261d1ee537732c6b0434f21e16cf0cf31d40d032ebd7559 Fee: 0.00000000 Size: 779 Days Destroyed: 704 Confirmations: 1

00:27:27 kakobrekla: did you register his nick?

00:27:41 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: like how they say it's "regulated"

00:27:44 kakobrekla: er, its nick

00:27:45 mircea_popescu: mod6 %lb ?

00:28:06 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller "Kapil Bhatia Kapil Bhatia is in the digital banking industry in Qatar. " << that happens to be a common name and also the name of some indian billionaire.

00:28:14 kakobrekla: i can add him to cs if the nick is reg

00:28:14 mod6: kako: no not yet.

00:28:29 mod6: (i mean, i haven't regiestered it yet)

00:28:35 mircea_popescu: the guy they depict however is none of those, and moreover the only reference yo ucan find to "SSX Advisors Corp" is on their own websites.

00:29:08 mod6: It has a random 1-1000 number on the end, I can make it just 'BitOTTer' though.

00:29:20 kakobrekla: is that free even

00:29:49 kakobrekla: and whats with the capital 'OTT'

00:29:51 kakobrekla: i dun get it

00:29:59 mod6: ok, lemme hack in a few changes. i'll leave this one connected for the time being.

00:30:25 mod6: it's all part of the tools "Bitcoin Options Trade Tool" package/suite

00:30:43 kakobrekla: ah i thought it was 'Over The Top'

00:30:49 mod6: haha, it might be.

00:31:38 kakobrekla: if its atc specific you might call it something related to taht

00:32:27 dub: scambot

00:32:37 pankkake: buttbott

00:32:44 pankkake: but I like scambot

00:32:49 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller on the other hand, their domain whois claims it was reg'd by Brian Niessen, who is an actual somebody.

00:33:49 kakobrekla: scambot you say? might as well just call it max keiser then

00:34:01 peterl: mircea_popescu: looking at mpif contract, "The General Manager may also destroy Fund shares the Fund holds at any point", does the manager take out btc, or do the shares just get destroyed?

00:34:02 mod6: lol

00:34:14 mod6: i'll call it 'atcbot' that would make the most sense.

00:34:15 mircea_popescu: Registrant Name: Brian Niessen Registrant Organization: SSX Holdings CorpRegistrant Street: PO Box PW 5334 Registrant Street: Babrow Building Registrant City: The Valley Registrant Country: ANGUILLA

00:34:27 kakobrekla: call it atcmax

00:34:33 mircea_popescu: peterl if the fund owns them, they can just get destroyed

00:35:28 peterl: aha, misread, missed the "the fund holds", nevermind

00:35:47 mircea_popescu: yeah the venue is basically if pc5 ends up with too many shares

00:37:12 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller anyway, i dropped them a tweet, maybe they show up and impress.

00:39:58 mircea_popescu: "It's lame in a way you are more concerned about privacy of your "bank account" than creating and promoting growth and fostering a close tight knit community. It's more important to you your MSC stake or "bank account" stays private than fostering closer tie with the community who allowed you to have this "bank account" in the first place."

00:40:13 thestringpuller: http://i.imgur.com/E5rZVJU.png - winter in romania

00:40:16 mircea_popescu: pankkake ok the guy's kinda amusing. almost livejournal level

00:40:36 BingoBoingo: .d

00:40:37 ozbot: 6.979 billion | Next Diff in 309 blocks | Estimated Change: 15.0921% in 1d 19h 34m 31s

00:41:57 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller http://fraudsters.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/a-nins-3.jpg

00:42:46 thestringpuller: lol is she peeing?

00:43:01 mircea_popescu: yea

00:43:12 thestringpuller: unabashful

00:43:29 mircea_popescu: me 1 imgur 0. yay.

00:50:32 mod6: is this acceptable?

00:50:34 mod6: (17:50) < atcbot> 70000@0.00000248 10000@0.00000245 65000@0.00000240 | 99000@0.00000200 100000@0.00000170 75000@0.00000160

00:51:21 kakobrekla: seems fine to me

00:52:22 mod6: ok, thx.

00:54:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 981 @ 0.00095537 = 0.9372 BTC [-]

00:55:55 mircea_popescu: nice.

00:56:09 mod6: !up atcbot

00:56:09 assbot: Voicing atcbot for 30 minutes.

00:56:14 mod6: ty :)

00:56:39 mod6: %t

00:56:41 atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 0.00000200 Ask: 0.00000240 Last Price: 0.00000230 24h Vol: 880876.00000000 High: 0.00000230 Low: 0.00000150 VWAP: 0.00000192

00:56:46 mod6: %book

00:56:47 atcbot: 70000@0.00000248 10000@0.00000245 65000@0.00000240 | 99000@0.00000200 100000@0.00000170 75000@0.00000160

00:57:31 mircea_popescu: mod6 srsly tho, try cutting the 3 0s in the first term to k

00:57:46 mircea_popescu: and express as satoshi rather than bitcoin

00:59:57 thestringpuller: oh shit game of thrones

01:00:56 pankkake: mod6: I just stopped my trades bot, so you can display yours. the only thing I found missing was aligning at the @

01:01:09 pankkake: s/display/enable/

01:01:23 mod6: ok. not a big deal, need a bit more time for that mp.

01:01:57 mod6: pankkake: ok yeah, i didn't bother trying to align yet. if you want me to, I can change it over to doing the trades in #altcoin.

01:02:03 mod6: hang on a sec. I'll do that first.

01:03:39 pankkake: standard string formatting stuff usually can do it easily

01:05:20 kakobrekla: standards ewwww.

01:11:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15200 @ 0.00095706 = 14.5473 BTC [+] {3}

01:15:09 kakobrekla: ping me when you register the thing

01:15:28 pankkake: http://www.crowdsupply.com/kosagi/novena-open-laptop

01:15:29 ozbot: Novena | Crowd Supply

01:25:06 mod6: pankkake: you should start your bot back up. mine has a bug somewhere, gotta debug it. haven't flexed that part of the code much yet.

01:25:23 mod6: I'll work on that too. But meanwhile... ok?

01:25:47 pankkake: done, I'll stop it when you want

01:26:09 mod6: much appreciated, pankkake

01:26:15 mod6: !up atcbot

01:26:15 assbot: Voicing atcbot for 30 minutes.

01:26:24 mod6: %book

01:26:25 atcbot: 70k@248 10k@245 65k@240 | 99k@200 100k@170 75k@160

01:26:32 mod6: %t

01:26:34 atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 200 Ask: 240 Last Price: 230 24h-Vol: 871k High: 230 Low: 150 VWAP: 193

01:28:04 mike_c: such volume.

01:32:02 BingoBoingo: %tslb

01:34:29 mod6: it doesn't do that yet BB, best we can do now is %last_block

01:34:32 atcbot: [ATC Last Block] Height: 30279 Time: 2014-04-28T01:28:39Z Vout Sum: 512 Number TXs: 1 Difficulty: 455357.12903751 Hash: 0000000000000ba03eceaee28a05554dec1cac0f6e924e0b3d3dd2632abdabb0 Fee: 0.00000000 Size: 552 Days Destroyed: 0 Confirmations: 1

01:35:05 kakobrekla: hm

01:35:21 kakobrekla: confirmations 1 ?

01:36:57 mod6: *shrug* it's in the JSON: http://atc.blockr.io/api/v1/block/info/last

01:37:38 mod6: pankkake: so not sure why it died there. it didn't get back a null result, or it would have spit out an error, but whatever it was, wasn't valid JSON. needs some debugging in there.

01:37:48 mod6: I'll work on that. Thanks for starting yours back up.

01:40:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 890 @ 0.0001261 = 0.1122 BTC [-]

01:41:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 8085 @ 0.00012525 = 1.0126 BTC [-] {5}

01:43:15 thestringpuller: ;;google Mojo Jojo

01:43:16 gribble: Mojo Jojo - Powerpuff Girls Wiki: http://powerpuff.wikia.com/wiki/Mojo_Jojo; List of The Powerpuff Girls characters - Wikipedia, the free ...: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Powerpuff_Girls_characters; Cartoon Network-Mojo Jojo is on Who Wants To Be A Millionare ...: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfQIwIy7_bU

01:48:32 decimation: The liberal always discovers too late that the price of equality is the omnipotent state.

01:48:33 decimation: http://don-colacho.blogspot.com/2010/09/1828.html

01:48:34 ozbot: Don Colacho’s Aphorisms: #1,828

01:49:06 decimation: stupid chat client: Without a hierarchical structure it is not possible to transform freedom from a fable into a fact. The liberal always discovers too late that the price of equality is the omnipotent state.

01:50:24 decimation: asciilifeform: I assume you are an emacs fan; what IRC client do you like? I'm trying to follow the path to becoming a competent emacs/lisp user

01:52:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 80 @ 0.00464805 = 0.3718 BTC [-]

01:57:26 mod6: ok bare with me a moment, gonna see if I can get this thing registered with nickserv & have it identify on_connect

01:59:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00095832 = 3.8333 BTC [+]

02:08:10 decimation: I've played with zenirc and ERC

02:09:31 mod6: ok here goes..

02:13:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16482 @ 0.00095537 = 15.7464 BTC [-]

02:15:57 mod6: !up atcbot

02:15:57 assbot: Voicing atcbot for 30 minutes.

02:18:45 mod6: kakobrekla: ok it's registered with nickserv.

02:19:36 mod6: I was like wtf about the block conf's too, but blockr.io show's 'em for btc blocks too.

02:20:11 kakobrekla: !down atcbot

02:20:42 mod6: ninja

02:20:53 kakobrekla: should work

02:22:41 mod6: the bot is a work in progress, let me know if stuff needs to get added/subtracted/modified and I'll work on it.

02:23:08 mod6: obv tslb is desired, that'll be near the top BingoBoingo

02:26:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.49804584 = 1.4941 BTC [+] {2}

02:30:07 BingoBoingo: %t

02:30:09 atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 131 Ask: 150 Last Price: 150 24h-Vol: 1345k High: 230 Low: 150 VWAP: 183

02:30:15 BingoBoingo: %book

02:30:16 atcbot: 100k@175 45k@169 25k@150 | 250k@131 170k@121 4k@111

02:31:13 mod6: heh 1345k

02:32:38 mod6: (17:27) <+mircea_popescu> mod6 %lb ? << i'll make this change too, i'll change the commands so their much shorter.

02:32:44 BingoBoingo: It's something

02:36:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23200 @ 0.00095832 = 22.233 BTC [+]

02:37:40 mod6: shorter command names on next restart/connect

02:38:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 200 @ 0.00095508 = 0.191 BTC [-] {2}

02:40:29 ThickAsThieves: is it public knowledge how much ATC MPIF is working with?

02:41:38 BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: It will be when the first public statement is revealed.

02:42:17 BingoBoingo: Otherwise you can parse the logs for references to amounts and get a rough idea of the size it started at.

02:43:10 ThickAsThieves: and the first public report comes with the first ability to but shares?

02:43:17 ThickAsThieves: buy*

02:44:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.00456 = 0.1368 BTC [-]

02:44:27 BingoBoingo: It should.

02:48:11 ThickAsThieves: "New Vulnerability Found in Every Single Version of Internet Explorer"

02:49:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17200 @ 0.00095931 = 16.5001 BTC [+] {2}

02:51:40 mod6: haha

02:51:54 mod6: now there's a shocker

02:55:01 BingoBoingo: http://mashable.com/2014/04/26/big-data-pregnancy/

02:55:02 ozbot: How One Woman Hid Her Pregnancy From Big Data

03:08:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.49964657 BTC [+]

03:10:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.49970747 = 0.9994 BTC [+] {2}

03:11:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.5 = 1 BTC [+]

03:31:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.0344999 = 0.276 BTC [+]

03:33:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8950 @ 0.00095502 = 8.5474 BTC [-]

03:33:50 BingoBoingo: %book

03:33:51 atcbot: 10k@245 65k@240 2k@200 | 100k@150 6k@135 100k@134

03:39:27 artifexd: That's pretty

03:39:55 artifexd: mod6: wd

03:42:18 BingoBoingo: http://oglaf.com/imposture/

03:42:19 ozbot: Imposture

03:45:58 mod6: thx artifexd :)

03:50:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25400 @ 0.00095337 = 24.2156 BTC [-] {2}

03:52:51 artifexd: BingoBoingo: http://i.imgur.com/dq8y6Ps.jpg <- made me think of you

03:53:11 BingoBoingo: artifexd: Thank you.

03:54:18 BingoBoingo: My favorite part is that with two pieces of wire and a soldering iron you could convert the dopamine to methamphetamine

03:59:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30900 @ 0.00095543 = 29.5228 BTC [+]

04:28:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.00095741 = 6.7019 BTC [+] {2}

04:38:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16300 @ 0.00095382 = 15.5473 BTC [-] {2}

04:45:28 BingoBoingo: http://arstechnica.com/science/2014/04/speed-reading-apps-may-kill-comprehension/

04:45:29 ozbot: Speed reading apps may kill comprehension | Ars Technica

05:00:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 24 @ 0.00444 = 0.1066 BTC [-]

05:04:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 41 @ 0.00451316 = 0.185 BTC [+]

05:11:19 BingoBoingo: http://drgrumpyinthehouse.blogspot.com/2014/04/holy-shit-im-rich.html

05:11:20 ozbot: Doctor Grumpy in the House: Holy shit I'm rich!

05:17:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16900 @ 0.00095301 = 16.1059 BTC [-] {3}

05:31:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35200 @ 0.00095632 = 33.6625 BTC [+] {3}

05:35:48 bitcoinpete: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/whos-minding-the-nuclear-weapons/

05:35:49 ozbot: Who's minding the nukes? - CBS News

05:35:58 bitcoinpete: floppy disks ftw!

05:36:34 bitcoinpete: "the equipment is ancient. This, for example, is one of the computers that would receive a launch order from the president. It uses floppy disks! The really old, big ones."

05:37:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13950 @ 0.0009576 = 13.3585 BTC [+] {2}

05:37:33 BingoBoingo: Well... Why not floppy disks

05:38:08 bitcoinpete: "And they're using really, really, really old computers. I saw a floppy disc and not a floppy disc that size. It was gigantic."

05:38:17 bitcoinpete: BingoBoingo: zero reason not to

05:38:29 bitcoinpete: other than neomania

05:38:50 bitcoinpete: "I'll tell you, those older systems provide us some -- I will say huge safety when it comes to some cyber issues that we currently have in the world."

05:39:22 bitcoinpete: "A few years ago we did a complete analysis of our entire network. Cyber engineers found out that the system is extremely safe and extremely secure on the way it's developed."

05:39:38 BingoBoingo: I mean what other computers would be running launch systems? Some 28nm ARM thing that runs Java?

05:39:45 bitcoinpete: "We're not up on the Internet." <<def helps

05:40:13 bitcoinpete: BingoBoingo: or a used ps3

05:40:53 bitcoinpete: "The land-based intercontinental ballistic missiles, the ICBMs, that we saw are just one part of the nuclear triad that includes missiles on submarines and bombers. The Congressional Budget Office estimates that operating and upgrading all three legs of the triad is going to cost at least $355 billion over the next 10 years."

05:42:04 BingoBoingo: Still less expensive than the F-35 that doesn't work

05:43:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21700 @ 0.00095189 = 20.656 BTC [-]

05:53:38 bitcoinpete: So this random dude e-mails me recently, offering to set me up with ltb's adam levine for an interview about maidsafe

05:53:44 bitcoinpete: cuz i'm an expert on them or something

05:53:53 bitcoinpete: and i don't know levine already

05:54:49 bitcoinpete: so anyways i ask the guy what he doing in/with bitcoin and he says he "just left a start-up and wants to be a core dev"

05:55:09 cazalla: BingoBoingo: Australia is buying 58 of those F-35's :\

05:55:46 bitcoinpete: naturally, i prod further and his area of interests is sidechains because they "fix bitcoin's incentive problems"

05:55:53 BingoBoingo: cazalla: Seem like a lot of countries are

05:56:35 bitcoinpete: does the guy of pgp/gpg? nope, "The PGP/GPG stuff has been on my list to figure out for a few months, but I haven't gotten around to it yet. I've only recently started caring (somewhat) about security since getting into Bitcoin."

05:56:51 BingoBoingo: Damn

05:57:04 bitcoinpete: sounds like a perfect power ranger candidate. i hope he's cool being blue

05:57:08 BingoBoingo: !up Dimsler

05:57:08 assbot: Voicing Dimsler for 30 minutes.

05:57:16 bitcoinpete: cazalla: canada is too

05:58:56 bitcoinpete: we were talking about 65 of them to the tune of $25M or so

06:03:54 bitcoinpete: $25B*

06:04:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.068996 = 0.138 BTC [+]

06:12:08 cazalla: still, i'd rather the au gov spend the money on planes than more and more welfare

06:15:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 3 @ 0.07010101 = 0.2103 BTC [-]

06:16:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 7 @ 0.07 = 0.49 BTC [-]

06:17:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49700 @ 0.00095805 = 47.6151 BTC [+] {2}

06:18:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 17 @ 0.06899838 = 1.173 BTC [+] {5}

06:23:52 bitcoinpete: cazalla: if those are the choices, then sure

06:23:58 bitcoinpete: defense > decay

06:24:25 cazalla: i don't vote so i guess i don't have a choice not that i would even if i did

06:33:03 Naphex: morning

06:33:29 Naphex: http://www.ziardecluj.ro/sfantul-efrem-ocrotitorul-clujului-repara-calculatoare-si-tamaduieste-constipatia

06:33:30 ozbot: Sfantul Efrem, ocrotitorul Clujului, repara calculatoare si tamaduieste constipatia | Ziar de Cluj

06:43:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25700 @ 0.00095913 = 24.6496 BTC [+] {2}

06:51:18 bitcoinpete: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-GSe078iCTP0/U115yU-dK4I/AAAAAAAAauo/IfmgIKDrvPI/s1600/north+korea+customs+declaration.jpg

06:51:53 bitcoinpete: north korea keeps it simple stupid

07:03:21 BingoBoingo: Best Korea for a reason

07:12:41 bitcoinpete: "There’s a very simple way to distinguish actual people from non-people. It’s not whether their grandmother was Jewish or their hair is curly, it’s not whether their skin tone is this or that shade of purple, it’s not even if they do well in school, suck cock rapturously, work hard, obey the laws, go to church, respect their elders, floss, whatever the hell else. None of that matters."

07:12:45 bitcoinpete: "Actual people are always on the lookout for games to put skin in. Everybody else just knows better, from the waysides."

07:13:15 bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu on the money

07:13:20 bitcoinpete: http://fraudsters.com/2013/soft-consensus-aka-fecal-matter/

07:13:21 ozbot: Soft consensus, aka fecal matter. pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

07:14:40 bitcoinpete: and that's a wrap!

07:16:59 HeySteve: http://awesomenator.com/content/2011/10/north-korea-pokemon.jpg

07:23:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 29 @ 0.0689998 = 2.001 BTC [+]

07:26:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC

07:27:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6308 @ 0.00095568 = 6.0284 BTC [-]

07:44:47 mircea_popescu: %t

07:44:48 atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 155 Ask: 200 Last Price: 199 24h-Vol: 1770k High: 230 Low: 150 VWAP: 186

07:44:56 mircea_popescu: %b

07:45:03 mircea_popescu: %book

07:45:04 atcbot: 10k@245 65k@240 2k@200 | 10k@155 10k@151 100k@150

07:45:20 mircea_popescu: mod6 splendid :D

07:46:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23700 @ 0.00095857 = 22.7181 BTC [+] {3}

07:46:46 Apocalyptic: 24h-Vol: 1770k // that's like the monthly volume last month

07:47:14 mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic lol growth eh ?

07:47:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0345 = 0.1035 BTC [+]

07:47:33 mircea_popescu: ;;calc 1770000*186

07:47:33 gribble: 329220000

07:47:49 mircea_popescu: 3.x btc ? getting to be pretty respectable for a scamcoin.

07:49:56 mircea_popescu: Naphex http://fraudsters.com/2012/im-sick/#comment-99383 :p

07:51:56 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: mornings

07:52:20 mircea_popescu: hey.

07:52:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6150 @ 0.00095934 = 5.8999 BTC [+] {2}

07:53:03 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: I've been flipping through the MPOE account statements for a blog post on running a profitable BTC business, is there a cumulative count of dividends paid per share that you've published at any point?

07:53:36 mircea_popescu: yes, but it's old. lemme see ehre.

07:53:51 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2013/mpex-one-year-of-dividends/

07:53:52 ozbot: MPEx : one year of dividends pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

07:54:19 mircea_popescu: if you'd find it within your heart to publish the 2nd year of dividends, same format, that'd actually be helpful.

07:54:37 fluffypony: ok cool

07:55:59 mircea_popescu: maybe mike_c does one too, then we can see if your numbers match.

07:56:58 fluffypony: I haven't had enough coffee - can you explain the relative dividend yield? surely the dividends are absolute?

07:57:10 mircea_popescu: yes but each month the stock has an average price

07:57:22 fluffypony: ah ok

07:57:54 HeySteve: details on that payment splitting service: http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/news/provably-fair-bitcoin-split-payments-have-arrived/2014/04/27

08:00:39 mircea_popescu: https://hashcat.net/oclhashcat/

08:00:40 ozbot: oclHashcat - advanced password recovery

08:02:43 mircea_popescu: whoa iron dropped ? coal dropped ?! this is a new one.

08:03:52 mircea_popescu: ;;google site:log.bitcoin-assets.com bitevery

08:03:53 gribble: NEXT: 07-05-2013 - #bitcoin-assets log: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-05-2013&bots=true; NEXT: 12-09-2013 - #bitcoin-assets log: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2013&bots=true

08:04:25 mircea_popescu: google you fucking suck wtf, it's in neither.

08:12:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 380 @ 0.06279784 = 23.8632 BTC [-] {46}

08:13:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06889296 = 0.3445 BTC [+] {2}

08:13:44 Naphex: :D

08:14:02 Naphex: good day today

08:14:40 mircea_popescu: http://www.wired.com/2014/04/quantum-theory-flow-time/

08:14:41 ozbot: New Quantum Theory Could Explain the Flow of Time | Science | WIRED

08:14:43 Naphex: mircea_popescu: http://www.doxologia.ro/viata-bisericii/marturii/sfantul-efrem-cel-nou-deblocat-programe-informatice-reparat-fisiere-corupte and soon with bitcoin recovery :))

08:14:44 mircea_popescu: hopefully he gets extradited.

08:14:50 Naphex: if you haven't seen it

08:14:50 Naphex: :)

08:14:55 mircea_popescu: Naphex lmao wut.

08:15:49 Naphex: “Asadar, s-a rugat Sfantului Efrem cel Nou si a facut de trei ori Semnul Sfintei Cruci peste computer. Spre marea sa uimire, nu numai ca a reusit sa deschida fisierul, ci a putut sa stearga integral sectiunea corupta”

08:15:53 Naphex: so... :D

08:15:54 mircea_popescu: Naphex is that this guy http://fraudsters.com/2009/predosloviie/ ?

08:16:08 mircea_popescu: (ie... sf leufteriu of the L.o.L. ?)

08:16:36 Naphex: :))

08:19:47 mircea_popescu: lmao no fucking way, that's the actual site of the moldavian bishopric

08:19:49 mircea_popescu: ahahahaah

08:22:11 mircea_popescu: moiety https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BmR_oNJIcAAfFVX.jpg

08:24:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06763971 = 0.1353 BTC [-]

08:25:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 50 @ 0.14 = 7 BTC

08:28:38 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: btw just noticed on http://fraudsters.com/2013/bitcoind-not-quite-ready-for-prime-time/ - "unspeficied"

08:28:51 mircea_popescu: hahah

08:28:55 mircea_popescu: that's too cute to fix

08:29:26 mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/817/f-mpif-to-last-/ lol srsly ?

08:29:28 ozbot: BitBet - F.MPIF to last the year

08:29:55 moiety: awww! i think the sombrero wins the hat contest!

08:30:01 mircea_popescu: Instead, this week we found out the Most Transparent Administration in American History? has implemented a new anti-press policy that would make Richard Nixon blush. National intelligence director James Clapper, the man caught lying to Congress from an "unauthorized" leak by Snowden, issued a directive to the employees of all 17 intelligence agencies barring all employees from any "unauthorized" contact with the pres

08:30:01 mircea_popescu: s.

08:30:09 mircea_popescu: teh soviets are coming hurray hurray

08:30:12 mircea_popescu: this is so 1978

08:32:51 Apocalyptic: <mircea_popescu> http://bitbet.us/bet/817/f-mpif-to-last-/ lol srsly ? // isn't that a badbet ?

08:33:23 mircea_popescu: well to the degree betting on any fiat stock being delisted is, i guess.

08:33:26 mircea_popescu: or what did you have in mind ?

08:33:27 Apocalyptic: as it's in solely your authority to decide the outcome

08:34:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 4 @ 0.065 = 0.26 BTC [-]

08:34:03 mircea_popescu: schizopathically & antisocially i seem to count myself as an institution.

08:36:02 mircea_popescu: pankkake:

08:36:02 mircea_popescu: mod6: I just stopped my trades bot, so you can display yours. << hows that work ?

08:37:58 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell decimation you left out the best part : "Without a hierarchical structure it is not possible to transform freedom from a fable into a fact."

08:37:58 gribble: The operation succeeded.

08:39:51 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell decimation o no oyu didn't. nm :p

08:39:51 gribble: The operation succeeded.

08:42:39 mircea_popescu: ;;seen scrat

08:42:39 gribble: scrat was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 24 weeks, 1 day, 11 hours, 20 minutes, and 46 seconds ago: <Scrat> im a fat cock

08:43:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.07089996 = 0.3545 BTC [+] {2}

08:43:22 mircea_popescu: http://oglaf.com/imposture/ << ok, this rules.

08:43:22 ozbot: Imposture

08:44:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 250 @ 0.00085 = 0.2125 BTC [+] {2}

08:47:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17100 @ 0.00095804 = 16.3825 BTC [-] {2}

08:52:49 fluffypony: fuck that confused me

08:52:49 fluffypony: http://fraudsters.com/2013/mpex-one-year-of-dividends/

08:52:50 ozbot: MPEx : one year of dividends pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

08:52:55 fluffypony: BBET is listed as paying from Jan

08:53:03 fluffypony: when first dividend payout was Feb

08:53:21 mircea_popescu: well yes but it was for the month of jan

08:54:37 fluffypony: yes but if you take the dividends table on the listing page for MPOE it correlates to "month in which it was paid" pretty much

08:55:22 fluffypony: for eg. the first dividend was paid on 26-05-12 and is listed as the May 2012 dividend

08:55:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12600 @ 0.00095896 = 12.0829 BTC [+] {2}

08:55:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.07089996 = 0.3545 BTC [+] {2}

08:56:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 4 @ 0.07092901 = 0.2837 BTC [+] {2}

08:56:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29988 @ 0.00095992 = 28.7861 BTC [+] {2}

09:00:10 mircea_popescu: right.

09:00:26 mircea_popescu: and had it been paid 3-06-2012 it'd still have been the may dividend

09:01:07 mircea_popescu: this because for most of its life mpoe reported on a "last week of month" period, and reports came in within hours of exercise closure, so it almost always was within the month.

09:01:21 HeySteve: <+mircea_popescu> "Without a hierarchical structure it is not possible to transform freedom from a fable into a fact." <- there should be a science of resilient hierarchical structures which resist corruption and decay. it should draw from historical fact, military tactics and decentralised methods. it should inform a technocratic leadership.

09:01:24 mircea_popescu: whereas everyone else reported by the 5th of next calendar month, so it always was later

09:01:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.0674425 = 0.2698 BTC [-]

09:01:37 mircea_popescu: HeySteve yes, there is such a science. what do you think we're doing here.

09:03:47 HeySteve: do you mean this channel or Bitcoin?

09:04:32 mircea_popescu: i mean this channel, mpex, etc.

09:05:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0345 = 0.1035 BTC [+]

09:06:18 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: plz check - http://markable.in/file/534b17d2-ceb4-11e3-9cd6-984be164924a/

09:06:35 HeySteve: Bitcoin should be a sovereign

09:06:42 mircea_popescu: just pastebin it, i aint js.

09:06:55 mircea_popescu: HeySteve it... is. it has been, for a while. hence the serenissima.

09:07:18 HeySteve: this is not widely recognised, mircea_popescu

09:07:27 mircea_popescu: that matters :))

09:07:45 mircea_popescu: like you know, there's this lion in an african village, and the local peasants are... not recognizing it.

09:08:01 mircea_popescu: im sure the lion's all hurt and emo over it.

09:08:26 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: no js on the page

09:08:31 HeySteve: that sounds dangerous for the villagers

09:08:34 fluffypony: or none that needs to execute to see the table

09:08:51 mircea_popescu: HeySteve exactly. letting people know about how their lives depend on bitcoin-ability is a charitable deed.

09:09:04 mircea_popescu: btw, you ever seen http://fraudsters.com/2014/georg-ritter-von-flondor-and-what-his-unhappy-life-can-teach-us/ ?

09:09:16 mircea_popescu: fluffypony wouldja just pastebin the thing ?

09:09:32 fluffypony: I'll pastebin the markdown source

09:09:42 fluffypony: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=4kE1TrR7

09:10:29 mircea_popescu: wrong years lol

09:10:35 fluffypony: whoops

09:10:58 mircea_popescu: Mar 2013 | 17 | 122

09:11:06 fluffypony: fixed those last 3

09:11:15 fluffypony: apparently I'm stuck in 2013 :-P

09:11:30 mircea_popescu: lol

09:11:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26700 @ 0.00096052 = 25.6459 BTC [+] {2}

09:11:40 mircea_popescu: anyway, best make it a full year, so wait a few days to include apr too

09:11:49 fluffypony: can do

09:12:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 123 @ 0.00096116 = 0.1182 BTC [+]

09:14:22 fluffypony: ;;later tell duffer1 well when you can't decide whether your name is "Timothy" or "Jimmy" it's unsurprising that you'd self-identify as an "investor" despite never really invested in anything:-P

09:14:22 gribble: The operation succeeded.

09:15:05 mircea_popescu: "this guy is giving me the timmy-jimmies", voted most likely to succeed coinage of 2014.

09:15:28 fluffypony: lol

09:15:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16410 @ 0.00095947 = 15.7449 BTC [-]

09:15:45 mircea_popescu: "Office space alone can eat you alive. Between Pissy and I we have 2100 square feet. And we're paying $5100 a month for that. "

09:15:54 mircea_popescu: someone's in business with a partner known as... pissy ?!

09:16:24 fluffypony: could be worse: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pussy_(energy_drink)

09:17:01 mircea_popescu: now that is true. pussy is an energy drink.

09:18:30 mircea_popescu: "3. CEO at my hospital laid off 10% of the nurses last year and got a $7M bonus."

09:18:38 HeySteve: there are worse options https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=309547.0

09:19:00 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It's what he refers to his urologist office mate as

09:19:25 fluffypony: law

09:19:27 fluffypony: lawl

09:19:41 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo old cranky doctors are some of my favourite party people.

09:19:47 mircea_popescu: they have this well patined sense of humor.

09:19:51 BingoBoingo: Yeah

09:21:02 mircea_popescu: Price. $3.00 for drink plus shipping. Shipping International: 1-2 = $23.95 - Small Flat Rate 4-8 = $77.95 - Large Flat Rate

09:21:24 mircea_popescu: dude srsly ? 15 bux for a bottle of carbonated pisswater ?

09:23:39 mircea_popescu: anyway, they do the office practice here too. most romanians are insured by virtue of going to work, the cost is about $100 per month. most rich romanians don't bother with the state insurance and just pay out of pocket.

09:24:20 mircea_popescu: typical office overhead for a doctor's office is in the 10 to 15k a year, all inclusive, typical doctor visit is $100 or less (depending, GP is like $10)

09:24:35 mircea_popescu: average doctor makes 20x minimum wage, 3x average wage.

09:25:42 mircea_popescu: somehow a country larger than the entire fucking cascadia can function on 1/10 to 1/100 of the us costs.

09:25:59 mircea_popescu: and i would argue healthcare, tho not stellar, is better here than there.

09:27:51 BingoBoingo: It's amazing how these things work out

09:27:51 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

09:28:30 fluffypony: bitcoinpete:naturally, i prod further and his area of interests is sidechains because they "fix bitcoin's incentive problems" <- with that attitude he's well on his way to being part of the Bitcoin Foundation, maybe he should just apply for a seat?

09:28:39 cazalla: difficult to find a good GP in Australia, the older doctors are few and far between but will allow you adequate time, the younger GP's are usually found in medical centres where the aim is to get you in and out ASAP to bulk bill medicare as much as possible

09:28:58 HeySteve: Peter Todd had a strong point against sidechains

09:29:11 HeySteve: https://soundcloud.com/mindtomatter/ltb-e104-tree-chains-with <- worth a listen

09:29:15 BingoBoingo: http://bitbet.us/bet/600/tradefortress-arrested/#c2135

09:29:19 ozbot: BitBet - TradeFortress arrested

09:29:49 fluffypony: comment spamz

09:29:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0405 = 0.162 BTC [+]

09:29:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.0742218 = 0.2227 BTC [-]

09:29:59 mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete:

09:29:59 mircea_popescu: so anyways i ask the guy what he doing in/with bitcoin and he says he "just left a start-up and wants to be a core dev" << so send him here.

09:29:59 mircea_popescu: lol

09:30:00 mircea_popescu: and to think that he could have a banner for .1 btc

09:30:07 cazalla: i went to a walk in medical centre with issues about my neck as I couldn't get an appointment at my usual GP, the GP at the walk in just assumed I was after pain meds and wrote a script for endone (oxycodone) without any hesitation to get me the fuck out of there

09:30:26 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: that's what I was commenting on above, he sounds like an ideal Bitcoin Foundation candidate

09:32:52 moiety: BingoBoingo: seriously?!

09:33:06 BingoBoingo: moiety: About what?

09:33:13 moiety: bitbet

09:33:41 mircea_popescu: cazalla nutty.

09:34:18 fluffypony: cazalla: so you took the script and sold it on SR?

09:34:20 fluffypony: :-P

09:35:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0674425 = 0.1349 BTC [-]

09:35:37 mircea_popescu: HeySteve lol that korea customs form rules. "please say if you have any magicks kthx"

09:35:53 moiety: cazalla: that's ridiculous, folk like that shouldn't be doctors

09:36:08 mircea_popescu: ^

09:37:36 cazalla: moiety: he was actually struck off this year for getting personal with a patient heh - http://www.illawarramercury.com.au/story/2167211/court-hears-dapto-doctor-defend-examination/

09:38:04 cazalla: there's actually been 3 or 4 doctors struck off for similar things at that place, not that i knew at the time, it was the only place open late

09:39:14 mircea_popescu: "A doctor charged with sexually assaulting a patient at Dapto Medical Centre has told a court he took the unusual step of stimulating the woman on his clinic couch after she clamped down on his finger with her private parts, aggravating an injury to his shoulder."

09:40:39 moiety: "I had to think of something that would relax her ... I thought I'd stimulate her clitoris to get access to the inside to do that proper examination, hoping that she'd relax." WTF .... a woman that avoided internal exams .... kden thats really going to relax her

09:41:15 dub: that deserves stella award

09:41:26 moiety: deserves a smack in the face

09:41:59 moiety: they have tools for that kind of thing

09:42:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9328 @ 0.00095915 = 8.947 BTC [-] {2}

09:43:10 moiety: one of our locum psychiatrists allegedly propositioned a stripper in her appointment. he actually went to her club and asked for her by name later

09:43:26 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: question on the gpg wot

09:43:26 mircea_popescu: soooo ?

09:43:36 fluffypony: when you import someone's pubkey and set their trust level

09:43:38 fluffypony: it updates your keyring

09:43:53 fluffypony: how do you push that updated keyring to the keyserver?

09:44:08 mircea_popescu: you export their pubkey

09:44:09 fluffypony: --send-keys just pushes my key, not the trust level

09:44:16 fluffypony: oic

09:44:21 mircea_popescu: but... the trust level it's your own

09:44:27 moiety: she complained about him and he had to leave. big court case and everything about it.

09:44:37 mircea_popescu: anyway, the gpg wot is imo a broken beyond belief implementaiton

09:44:43 mircea_popescu: and shouldn't be called a wot in the first place.

09:44:54 fluffypony: well they broke it the minute they started having "signing parties" at every con in existence

09:44:59 mircea_popescu: moiety wait. stripper complained about customer asking for her by name ?!

09:45:00 fluffypony: because that's a great basis for "trust"

09:45:01 mircea_popescu: what is she, insane ?

09:45:15 moiety: no he wasnt a customer, he was her psychiatrist

09:45:27 mircea_popescu: fluffypony early internet people held the idiotic belief that "meeting irl" is some sortt of gold standard.

09:45:36 mircea_popescu: hence all the "you wouldn't say that to my face" bs

09:45:47 moiety: she was mid-moan about her life and he asked her for a blowjob apparently

09:45:52 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: yeah, which was the number 1 reason why I never went to another IRC meet after my first one in 1997

09:46:05 mircea_popescu: it's a common mistake of the pompously clueless, and good sister of the entire "trolls are bad for society" mtyh

09:46:25 mircea_popescu: moiety heh. so dude was creepy.

09:46:32 fluffypony: moiety: she could have transitioned from one type of moan to another

09:46:43 fluffypony: and gotten her therapy fees back with interest

09:46:43 moiety: i think this was his plan fluffypony

09:46:49 mircea_popescu: fluffypony yeah but she was paying so she doesn't have to.

09:46:58 fluffypony: werd

09:47:08 moiety: mircea_popescu: well he was actually. to everyone. but she was also nuts, so it did make things difficult. he is still working

09:47:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53250 @ 0.00096178 = 51.2148 BTC [+] {5}

09:47:52 mircea_popescu: moiety there's this confusion being peddled, in classic libertard manner, that it's the form rather than the substance. however, in my experience it's absolutely never THE FACT that he propositioned her that is the issue.

09:48:01 mircea_popescu: it's just that he sucks, ie, the substance of that proposition.

09:48:54 mircea_popescu: otherwise, i've hit on doctors/nurses/people in the street/whoever the fuck. what's the big deal.

09:50:32 mircea_popescu: if a society isn't willing to put up with "inappropriate" propositioning, that society will have to put up with specially designated "proposition pens" where everyone's fcking awkward and the whole thing's unpleasant.

09:50:37 mircea_popescu: former option much better.

09:51:48 moiety: this is true. the problem with him being picking someone that had severe issues around it when he was in a position of trust rather than a nurse/doctor/person in the street

09:52:29 fluffypony: lawlz seedcoin: "We have regular contacts with institutional investors, I am not sure how many institutional investors may have expressed a lack of confidence (publicly or to you) in what we do, if they have I would be happy to answer their concerns, but I wished to inform you that the institutional and angel investors we have been in contact with have expressed great confidence in Seedcoin and our support to crypto startups."

09:52:29 mircea_popescu: but you're always in a position of trust. this "position of trust" analysis is bollocks. at the very least you trust the random passerby not to mug you.

09:53:11 mircea_popescu: tell him my concerns are that he's a fucktard, and ask him to please address them.

09:53:17 fluffypony: which was their response to me raising 14 questions on the TagPesa crap they're trying to piddle: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=586230.msg6418858#msg6418858

09:53:45 mircea_popescu: curious if he'll go the "o mp is not an institutional investor, because breaking the back of everyone else does not qualify one" or "he said fucktard so i no longer have to listen nao lalalala"

09:53:51 mircea_popescu: route

09:57:00 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well rather than an institutional investor I've just assumed you've transcended to being the institution

09:57:22 mircea_popescu: !up HoreaV

09:57:22 assbot: Voicing HoreaV for 30 minutes.

09:59:03 moiety: re rtust this is true mircea_popescu but shouldn't you be able to trust your doctor to keep professional at least while in an appointment?

09:59:06 moiety: trust*

09:59:28 mircea_popescu: why should "professional" exclude flirting ?

09:59:55 mircea_popescu: you should be able to trust your doctor not to be unpleasant, of which you are the only judge. and if you don't like him go to another. which is why the free market is important.

09:59:59 Naphex: ;;rate HoreaV 10 Horea Vuscan of BTCXchange.ro

10:00:01 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 10 for user HoreaV has been recorded.

10:00:36 moiety: asking someone who is crying about their daddy issues to suck your dick isn't flirting tho

10:00:36 mircea_popescu: a doctor shouldn't have to follow some ultimately absurd behaviour guidelines, because he's an adult, and a patient should not have to depend that the doctor does follow such, or that they're adequate, because he has no options.

10:00:43 mircea_popescu: no argument there.

10:00:53 mircea_popescu: but the problem is he sucked, basically.

10:01:25 moiety: bottom line. ^ yeah

10:02:18 fluffypony: or that he *wanted* to be sucked

10:02:25 mircea_popescu: ends up generally misrepresented as "well the problem is he propositioned her". nonsense. the problem is he apparently has the discernment of a five year old.

10:02:45 moiety: i did have a female doctor who a patient leave her caseload because she was seen out at a pub on a weekend, which was ridiculous.

10:03:23 mircea_popescu: yeah but i mean... patient's call.

10:04:00 mircea_popescu: i know women who won't use a male gyn, to their detriment, as male gyns are usually better. but hey, her lyf, her call.

10:04:15 moiety: thats often a comfort thing

10:04:34 moiety: and yeah we switched around doctors whenever the patients wanted

10:04:35 mircea_popescu: kinda why the male gyns are better, too. they don't have one so it's scary on some level.

10:05:01 moiety: male midwives get a hard time too

10:05:06 mircea_popescu: HoreaV hey there ?

10:05:20 mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot davide

10:05:20 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user davide: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=davide | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=davide | Rated since: never

10:06:21 HoreaV: mircea_popescu: hey back, Naphex is still setting me up with the console and explaining. i'll be done in a sec

10:06:28 mircea_popescu: cool.

10:08:13 mircea_popescu: %t

10:08:14 atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 155 Ask: 200 Last Price: 199 24h-Vol: 1715k High: 230 Low: 150 VWAP: 187

10:08:55 HoreaV: ;;rate Naphex 10 Best programmer that i ever worked with. Cofounder at BTCXchange.ro

10:08:57 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 10 for user Naphex has been recorded.

10:10:18 mircea_popescu: ;;rate HoreaV 1 btcxchange.ro

10:10:19 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user HoreaV has been recorded.

10:10:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30600 @ 0.00095596 = 29.2524 BTC [-] {2}

10:14:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.0045101 = 0.451 BTC [-]

10:23:54 cazalla: moiety: didn't see any male midwives while my wife was in hospital (private), i wouldn't mind being a lactation consultant, it was pretty sweet watching the younger ones caress the missus' tits for milk :P

10:27:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23050 @ 0.00096077 = 22.1457 BTC [+] {2}

10:28:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45850 @ 0.00096436 = 44.2159 BTC [+] {5}

10:31:17 mircea_popescu: wao hey, can you send me a shipment of those copper rounds ?

11:11:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17935 @ 0.00096269 = 17.2658 BTC [-] {3}

11:21:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22000 @ 0.00096043 = 21.1295 BTC [-] {2}

11:28:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12200 @ 0.00096515 = 11.7748 BTC [+] {2}

11:30:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06724331 = 0.6724 BTC [-]

11:44:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06724331 = 0.1345 BTC [-]

11:48:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 53 @ 0.0075 = 0.3975 BTC [+]

11:58:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11650 @ 0.00096572 = 11.2506 BTC [+] {2}

12:02:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15400 @ 0.00096609 = 14.8778 BTC [+] {2}

12:04:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19000 @ 0.00096346 = 18.3057 BTC [-]

12:14:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17400 @ 0.00096624 = 16.8126 BTC [+] {2}

12:16:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.51123251 = 1.0225 BTC [+] {2}

12:17:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.51199998 BTC [+]

12:18:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.0046345 = 0.4635 BTC [+]

12:25:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.06724331 = 0.2017 BTC [-]

12:29:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0345 = 0.138 BTC [+]

12:31:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.03450588 = 0.2415 BTC [+] {3}

12:32:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0409979 = 0.123 BTC [+] {3}

12:33:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.03450687 = 0.1035 BTC [+]

12:34:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0409979 = 0.205 BTC [+] {2}

12:36:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0409979 = 0.41 BTC [+] {4}

12:37:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.0409979 = 0.287 BTC [+] {3}

12:38:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0409979 = 0.205 BTC [+] {4}

12:39:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.04099792 = 0.369 BTC [+] {5}

12:41:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.04099999 = 0.123 BTC [+] {2}

12:41:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.0742218 = 0.1484 BTC [-]

12:41:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25500 @ 0.0009663 = 24.6407 BTC [+] {3}

12:45:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 24 @ 0.00445218 = 0.1069 BTC [+] {2}

12:45:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12350 @ 0.00096646 = 11.9358 BTC [+]

12:54:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47600 @ 0.00096636 = 45.9987 BTC [-] {4}

13:09:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4768 @ 0.0009666 = 4.6087 BTC [+]

13:10:59 fluffypony: http://blog.spagni.net/posts/2014-04-28/

13:11:47 kakobrekla: since you are here fluffypony , re this https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=587244.msg6434861#msg6434861

13:12:00 kakobrekla: you might as well link them: http://fraudsters.com/2013/the-best-investments-in-the-history-of-bitcoin/

13:12:48 fluffypony: kakobrekla: I've actually got another blog post that is just waiting for April results, I'll include a link to that in it

13:13:43 kakobrekla: aha

13:14:47 pankkake: it even mentions AsicMiner, so humble of MP

13:15:09 fluffypony: kakobrekla: does blogs.bitcoin-assets.com auto-update or is it manual?

13:15:18 pankkake: I'm the one running it

13:15:19 *: fluffypony nearly said manul and was waiting for moiety to show up

13:15:22 pankkake: and it's every 37 minutes or so

13:15:23 fluffypony: oic oic

13:16:18 pankkake: I might do it more, I didn't want to hammer your blogs too much, but it's actually quite smart (it checks the last modified date of the rss if it can provide one)

13:16:39 pankkake: next step is a bot to notify of new posts

13:16:45 fluffypony: nice

13:17:09 fluffypony: maybe assbot should poll the rss feed to watch for changes?

13:18:51 kakobrekla: pankkake do you run a cronjob there or is that site built on the fly

13:19:03 kakobrekla: ah right

13:19:04 pankkake: it's a cron, so everything is static

13:19:06 kakobrekla: 37 minuts

13:19:12 *: kakobrekla should read moar

13:19:47 pankkake: it was 42 minutes. I'm changing to 7 :)

13:19:57 kakobrekla: well how about you post a new post notification to me?

13:23:19 pankkake: I'm looking at how I can do that with venus (the tool I use to build blogs.b-a). the sending to irc part is easy, I already have a dumb bot for that

13:24:46 pankkake: otherwise I'll do it with a RSS parser I know, which already handles the "is this thing new" aspect

13:25:07 pankkake: but if I can avoid polling myself…

13:25:23 kakobrekla: i can make assbot polll

13:25:40 kakobrekla: its not ideal but yea

13:25:45 kakobrekla: json would been better

13:25:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33329 @ 0.00096692 = 32.2265 BTC [+] {3}

13:27:33 HeySteve: RyS eh

13:28:00 fluffypony: rys?

13:30:06 HeySteve: from the thread you link, rethink your strategy

13:30:50 fluffypony: oh yes

13:30:59 fluffypony: that thread got really trashy

13:31:28 fluffypony: still a fun read

13:31:32 HeySteve: heh OP started it that way

13:32:35 fluffypony: yeah, I love how at the end he's like "I'm going to litecointalk!"

13:32:45 fluffypony: as if that's a bastion of legitimacy :-P

13:32:53 pankkake: he got really really mad

13:33:00 HeySteve: people should start with businesses they can achieve with their own resources

13:33:12 pankkake: that crumbs guy is a hero

13:33:18 HeySteve: seeking funding for My First Bizniz is not credible

13:33:33 pankkake: HeySteve: and in most cases, those things don't even need the funding they ask…

13:33:55 fluffypony: yeah, that's why I keep asking for them to justify the expense

13:34:02 fluffypony: show me 1 calculation with sub-totals

13:50:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25700 @ 0.00096591 = 24.8239 BTC [-]

14:11:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15500 @ 0.00096941 = 15.0259 BTC [+] {2}

14:21:14 thestringpuller: ;;google change clothes and go

14:21:14 gribble: JAY-Z - Change Clothes ft. Pharrell - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6G1uwe20wg; Jay Z – Change Clothes Lyrics | Rap Genius: http://rapgenius.com/Jay-z-change-clothes-lyrics; JAY-Z LYRICS - Change Clothes: http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/jayz/changeclothes.html

14:21:51 BCB: who runs Cryptostocks.com

14:22:16 thestringpuller: ;;ident

14:22:16 gribble: Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net', is identified as user 'thestringpuller', with GPG key id 0FF2943DA179E169, key fingerprint 6ACE36E786F39A4ADC4506DE0FF2943DA179E169, and bitcoin address None

14:22:27 thestringpuller: BCB: does it not say on the site?

14:22:31 thestringpuller: lol

14:22:38 BCB: anonymous registration

14:22:41 BCB: I never heard of htem

14:22:42 BCB: them

14:22:45 BCB: you

14:22:50 thestringpuller: never used them

14:22:58 BCB: anyone know Vircurex

14:23:00 pankkake: BCB: a guy named kumala

14:23:10 thestringpuller: vircurex is canadian no?

14:23:12 BCB: pankkake: who is kumala

14:23:15 BCB: thestringpuller: eys

14:23:17 BCB: yes

14:23:23 BCB: what about havelock investments

14:23:24 pankkake: no idea, besides a bitcointalk username

14:27:30 thestringpuller: so havelock is definitely in scam territory now?

14:27:35 thestringpuller: good thing i vacated

14:27:44 thestringpuller: !last h b.mine

14:27:44 assbot: Last trade for B.MINE on HAVELOCK was at 0.034 BTC [-]

14:28:56 fluffypony: pankkake: is the rss poll broken? my most recent blog post isn't showing up

14:29:22 thestringpuller: fluffypony don't use rss then

14:29:27 thestringpuller: >::P

14:29:38 fluffypony: thestringpuller: I meant his poll to my rss feed :)

14:30:09 thestringpuller: you're a special one aren't you?

14:30:29 pankkake: I see "How to fail gracefully as a Bitcoin business"

14:30:37 fluffypony: OH

14:30:40 fluffypony: it's at the bottom

14:30:41 fluffypony: see it

14:30:42 fluffypony: tks :)

14:30:49 *: fluffypony needs more coffee

14:31:32 pankkake: but I've had an instance of it not updating fraudsters, so maybe it wasn't there earlier

14:33:21 BCB: thestringpuller so havelock is definitely in scam territory now? << Why do you say that

14:53:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10850 @ 0.00096701 = 10.4921 BTC [-]

14:56:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11600 @ 0.00096601 = 11.2057 BTC [-] {2}

15:06:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9916 @ 0.00096942 = 9.6128 BTC [+]

15:14:26 thestringpuller: because it is doing untrustworthy things

15:17:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF2] 1006 @ 0.001 = 1.006 BTC {3}

15:19:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF2] 190 @ 0.001 = 0.19 BTC

15:21:44 mike_c: ;;seen davout

15:21:44 gribble: davout was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 days, 2 hours, 34 minutes, and 59 seconds ago: <davout> random_cat: wet pussies are the consequence of so much log, not the other way around

15:22:08 fluffypony: he was here earlier

15:22:18 fluffypony: quit like an hour ago

15:22:28 mike_c: no x.eur's for sale.

15:23:11 pankkake: maybe there is an eur shortage

15:23:37 kakobrekla: ha-ha!

15:27:55 Naphex: kakobrekla: is there a list / help of assbot commands?

15:28:12 mike_c: !help

15:28:12 assbot: List of commands:

15:28:13 assbot: !up (desc: sending it via PM will voice you on chan given sufficient WOT rating)

15:28:14 assbot: !up <nick> (desc: sending it on chan will give <nick> voice for 30 minutes)

15:28:15 assbot: !ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !t}

15:28:16 assbot: !last <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns last price value, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !l}

15:28:17 assbot: !mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)

15:28:18 assbot: !rules <nick/chan> (desc: chan guidelines) {short: !r}

15:28:19 assbot: !exchanges <nick/chan> (desc: lists exchanges and brokers) {short: !e}

15:28:20 assbot: !jd (desc: returns relevant stats from https://just-dice.com)

15:28:21 assbot: !bash <lines> (desc: bashes last <lines> lines to bash) {short: !b}

15:28:22 assbot: !quote <lines> (desc: quotes last <lines> lines and returns dpaste url) {short: !q}

15:28:23 kakobrekla: nooooooooo!!!111

15:28:30 mike_c: assbot please send donation

15:28:31 Naphex: ;]

15:28:32 kakobrekla: !help mike_c

15:28:32 assbot: List of commands:

15:28:33 assbot: !up (desc: sending it via PM will voice you on chan given sufficient WOT rating)

15:28:34 assbot: !up <nick> (desc: sending it on chan will give <nick> voice for 30 minutes)

15:28:35 assbot: !ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !t}

15:28:36 assbot: !last <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns last price value, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !l}

15:28:37 assbot: !mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)

15:28:38 assbot: !rules <nick/chan> (desc: chan guidelines) {short: !r}

15:28:39 assbot: !exchanges <nick/chan> (desc: lists exchanges and brokers) {short: !e}

15:28:40 assbot: !jd (desc: returns relevant stats from https://just-dice.com)

15:28:41 assbot: !bash <lines> (desc: bashes last <lines> lines to bash) {short: !b}

15:28:42 assbot: !quote <lines> (desc: quotes last <lines> lines and returns dpaste url) {short: !q}

15:28:43 kakobrekla: fuck

15:28:43 kakobrekla: doenst that work

15:28:45 kakobrekla: :(

15:28:47 mike_c: assbot please send two donations

15:28:54 kakobrekla: lel

15:28:57 Naphex: probably should reply that with privmsg/notice

15:28:58 Naphex: :P

15:29:17 kakobrekla: yes i think it does under some circumstance

15:29:49 Naphex: is that an eggbot? or some standalone?

15:29:49 mike_c: assbot has to keep up with mp's line count somehow

15:30:30 kakobrekla: its a thing i made many years ago Naphex

15:33:23 pankkake: reply in notice on !up would be nice too, because I just /msg the bot, and the reply opens a query

15:36:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17430 @ 0.00097148 = 16.9329 BTC [+]

15:41:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF2] 3000 @ 0.001 = 3 BTC

15:43:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF2] 629 @ 0.001 = 0.629 BTC

15:45:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24850 @ 0.00097131 = 24.1371 BTC [-] {3}

15:48:00 mike_c: kakobrekla, would it be troublesome to add a primary key to http://bit4x.com/panacea/history/? seems to me there isn't a reliable way to determine uniqueness. you could very well have two trades with the same.. everything.

15:49:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 800 @ 0.14 = 112 BTC

15:49:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF2] 350 @ 0.001 = 0.35 BTC

15:49:33 kakobrekla: myea thats a point

15:51:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 295 @ 0.00082074 = 0.2421 BTC [-] {3}

15:53:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 45 @ 0.0075 = 0.3375 BTC [+]

15:57:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 54 @ 0.00316148 = 0.1707 BTC [-] {3}

15:58:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 411 @ 0.00079972 = 0.3287 BTC [-] {5}

16:00:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14750 @ 0.00096654 = 14.2565 BTC [-]

16:01:33 mike_c: ;;later tell hanbot one easy way for PIF bitbets to be publicly auditable would be to use the same out address for all the bets. is that the plan?

16:01:34 gribble: The operation succeeded.

16:02:04 pankkake: *MPIF

16:02:40 mike_c: i can't stop calling it pif. two syllables is one too many.

16:04:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF2] 1000 @ 0.001 = 1 BTC

16:04:29 mike_c: BingoBoingo's is going to be hardest to track.

16:05:54 fluffypony: piffy?

16:06:18 thestringpuller: ;;seen mod6

16:06:19 gribble: mod6 was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 12 hours, 20 minutes, and 20 seconds ago: <mod6> thx artifexd :)

16:12:59 Naphex: so in my offtime i'm implementing a decent notification system in bitcoin core

16:13:18 Naphex: and i was getting into posting the messages and thinking

16:13:31 Naphex: for a first implementation do notification with:

16:14:00 Naphex: A. UNIX Socket / Local Socket - Connect to it, start broadcasting notifications

16:14:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF2] 410 @ 0.001 = 0.41 BTC

16:14:37 Naphex: B. JSON-NP Callbacks - For easier integration with current systems

16:14:46 kakobrekla: this ? https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/2861

16:15:23 Naphex: whats that? - first look is just watch only

16:15:43 kakobrekla: arent you doing watch only notif

16:16:25 artifexd: Naphex: If you're interested, conformal's btcd already has websockets available and extending it is almost trivial.

16:16:58 Naphex: artifexd: thanks, but implementing this in bitcoin core.

16:17:05 Naphex: for the exchange i use something else entierly

16:17:19 Naphex: this is not related, just offtime stuff

16:17:37 Naphex: i wouldn't do websockets in it, too much overhead for bitcoin

16:18:00 artifexd: Have fun and good luck

16:18:15 Naphex: what's the luck for?:P

16:19:52 danielpbarron: what is an appropriate operating system on which to run an offline wallet?

16:20:20 danielpbarron: (linux -- which one?, bsd? )

16:22:06 thestringpuller: danielpbarron: this is where I slap you

16:22:14 danielpbarron: please do

16:22:42 thestringpuller: in all seriousness you shouldn't haven't have a full wallet on a computer

16:22:54 thestringpuller: generate addresses offline print them on paper

16:23:00 thestringpuller: send coins to the paper wallets

16:23:07 thestringpuller: store wallets in safety deposit boxes

16:23:11 thestringpuller: with backups in europe and asia

16:23:29 danielpbarron: ugh

16:23:32 thestringpuller: maybe have your most trusted body guard/head of security hold one

16:23:49 danielpbarron: already do that

16:23:59 danielpbarron: i want to do offline transaction signing

16:24:01 artifexd: thestringpuller: You are describing cold storage. It sounds like danielpbarron is looking for warm storage.

16:24:08 danielpbarron: i want to be able to make multi-sig transactions

16:24:45 artifexd: Cold, warm, hot. They all have their place.

16:25:01 danielpbarron: unless someone can explain to me why that isn't necessary and that I'm going at this all wrong

16:25:33 thestringpuller: lol you want to sign a transaction offline then transmit it to the nodes whenever?

16:25:44 thestringpuller: isn't there trusted software for that by now?

16:25:52 danielpbarron: that's what i'm asking

16:26:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF2] 134 @ 0.001 = 0.134 BTC

16:27:02 dexX7: hmm.. so gribble and assbot had some troubles identifying me with another nick: http://dpaste.com/1801925/

16:27:50 Naphex: danielpbarron: linux would be fine, but make sure you don't run other stuff

16:27:56 Naphex: and keep it clean and bare

16:28:00 danielpbarron: which distro?

16:28:17 Naphex: i'd go with gentoo, but whatever is fine

16:28:17 danielpbarron: i'm already familiar with debian based, but i've also done gentoo

16:28:21 Naphex: whatever you can install the cleanest

16:28:34 danielpbarron: gentoo was harder but much nicer when done

16:28:41 Naphex: make sure you use filesystem encryption as well

16:29:02 danielpbarron: what about the bsd variant to which MP donated

16:29:08 thestringpuller: freebsd?

16:29:09 Naphex: to ward off any physical attacks like physical hdd theft

16:29:13 fluffypony: OpenBSD

16:29:14 thestringpuller: ask mod6 bout dat

16:29:14 danielpbarron: idk

16:29:24 Naphex: you can use whatever you want, except windows

16:29:33 Naphex: but keep it clean, and only run what you need - bare

16:29:40 dexX7: anyway. Naphex: i did only follow the last lines, so i'm not 100 % sure, if your intention is clear to me -- if you are looking for a simple solution to establish some kind of "bitcoin based event notification system", you may use the (redirected) debug output as basis which could be parsed and processed further

16:29:46 danielpbarron: lol wouldn't dream of it (haven't used windows in years)

16:29:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 400 @ 0.0075 = 3 BTC [+]

16:29:52 Naphex: firewall with blacklist everything, only whitelist what you know

16:30:02 Naphex: and make sure you only accept validated messages, before hitting your software

16:30:17 danielpbarron: not necessary right, the machine has no ethernet devices

16:30:28 Naphex: dexX7: yes but i want something more clear cut, that can scale

16:30:50 kakobrekla: dexX7 yea taht could be fixed but it would break the neatness of the design :)

16:30:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14457 @ 0.00096643 = 13.9717 BTC [-] {2}

16:30:52 danielpbarron: or is that incase someone takes the machine and installs ethernet?

16:31:14 Naphex: danielpbarron: dexX7 i'm thinking like listen to a port/unix socket

16:31:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16889 @ 0.00096524 = 16.3019 BTC [-] {3}

16:31:56 dexX7: as source for the data?

16:32:15 Naphex: connect to it, and broadcast notifications through it

16:32:16 dexX7: aka you want to rebuild a bitcoin client?

16:32:29 Naphex: either that or in reverse, where it connects to a aggregate server, and that just runs pubsub

16:32:47 Naphex: yes i forked current master, and 0.9.1

16:33:23 dexX7: mind to share a link?

16:33:45 Naphex: its private atm, not on any service. just dirty git clone

16:33:52 Naphex: i will when there is something working

16:33:58 Naphex: even if its not final version

16:34:20 Naphex: but what i'm thinking is just a notification system for BitcoinD clusters, track txid's, addresses and confirmations

16:34:24 thestringpuller: Naphex: like what?

16:34:36 thestringpuller: offline wallet can't touch net even on firewall part

16:34:50 thestringpuller: you can't trust the TCP/IP stack

16:35:13 Naphex: uh, what's that related to?

16:35:27 Naphex: for notifications?

16:35:33 thestringpuller: for anything

16:35:49 thestringpuller: the firewall shouldn't talk to other machines with your "airgapped" software

16:35:58 thestringpuller: cause what you're describing is a semi-permeable airgap

16:35:59 dexX7: ah np, just trying to understand your approach. at which point do you fetch and process incoming information?

16:36:29 Naphex: thestringpuller: there are hot wallets and cold ones

16:36:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF2] 360 @ 0.001 = 0.36 BTC

16:37:03 Naphex: if your hot wallet serves based on verified, signed messages, wheter HMAC or whatever, i'd say its pretty fine.

16:37:53 thestringpuller: depends on the transaction volume

16:37:55 Naphex: you trust the sig

16:38:41 Naphex: thestringpuller: for example, current hot wallet software

16:38:50 Naphex: won't accept any messages, whatever the source or trust

16:38:55 Naphex: if the user's OTP is not valid

16:39:18 Naphex: now OTP can be, Email / YubiKey -> GPG, Bitcoin signature

16:39:53 Naphex: now the users have that secret, so an intruder couldn't do much without user secrets

16:40:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC

16:40:43 Naphex: even if an attackers gets through mostly everything undetected

16:40:46 Naphex: its a dead end

16:41:18 thestringpuller: so you keep the keyring hot?

16:41:21 thestringpuller: that's all that matters

16:41:59 Naphex: only the hot wallets

16:42:05 thestringpuller: uh no

16:42:06 Naphex: which are hot by design

16:42:18 thestringpuller: there is an implementation of hot wallets that don't require the key ring to touch the internet

16:42:54 Naphex: for incoming or outgoing?

16:43:02 thestringpuller: outgoing

16:43:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [MS] 193 @ 0.0013501 = 0.2606 BTC [+]

16:43:40 Naphex: so you want to sign transactions offline?

16:44:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [MS] 540 @ 0.00135202 = 0.7301 BTC [+]

16:44:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF2] 1030 @ 0.001 = 1.03 BTC {2}

16:44:23 thestringpuller: why wouldn't you?

16:44:40 Naphex: why would i when i want a hot instant wallet?

16:45:10 thestringpuller: why do you want a hot instant wallet?

16:45:22 Naphex: so clients can withdraw in an instant

16:45:24 Naphex: they want it too

16:45:58 thestringpuller: ...

16:46:09 thestringpuller: this is where I rage quit like pankkake

16:46:13 Naphex: :))

16:46:31 Naphex: look, you can secure servers and keep stuff secure. now i'm not saying run everything hot

16:46:42 Naphex: but you can always keep i.e 10 BTC out of 1000 HOT

16:46:54 Naphex: and run everything else cold, you can even run deposits cold

16:47:04 Naphex: but wait 5mins on a withdrawal, and you're gonna get an email

16:47:07 Naphex: after a phone call

16:47:11 thestringpuller: no you're not

16:47:13 danielpbarron: what's more secure; using a machine that was set up before Bitcoin existed and hasn't been updated since; or a totally fresh install?

16:47:22 thestringpuller: mpex investors have to wait sometimes up to 24hours for withdrawals

16:47:30 mike_c: hm, JD seems to be down.

16:47:40 pankkake: thestringpuller: :o)

16:47:42 Naphex: thestringpuller: well thats their priviledge

16:48:06 Naphex: mean while, Joe Giner wants his 0.2 btc that he just bought out now

16:48:11 Naphex: so he can do whatever with it

16:48:17 thestringpuller: Joe Giner isn't worth a security breach

16:48:21 Naphex: maybe buy some Google Play Giftcards

16:48:25 pankkake: if the machine is really offline even Windows ME should be fine!

16:48:39 danielpbarron: what about random number generation?

16:48:49 pankkake: good point

16:49:01 Naphex: thestringpuller: honestly if you have a well designed system, that gets breached and you get ninja'd out of the 10 hotwallet BTC

16:49:06 Naphex: it was probably worth it

16:49:12 Naphex: and you can get it out of your pocket

16:49:13 thestringpuller: no, it wasn't

16:49:30 thestringpuller: MPEx has lost 0 BTC of investor funds.

16:49:44 thestringpuller: please direct me to another facility of such high standards.

16:49:49 Naphex: i haven't lost 1 satoshi yet

16:50:01 benkay: "yet"

16:50:11 Naphex: well put it like this

16:50:26 Naphex: the most sophisticated attacker, will need user secrets to get whatever they have

16:50:37 Naphex: or break HMAC-SHA256

16:51:12 thestringpuller: or they can dump unencrypted memory with a 0 day exploit you have no idea about yet trust your system completely

16:51:19 thestringpuller: because you've audited all 100% of the code oyu're running

16:51:32 Naphex: they can't

16:51:46 Naphex: server can only get clean, hard messages

16:51:57 Naphex: everything else gets dunked a long way from there

16:52:17 benkay: tbh it's an arch i'm interested in, Naphex

16:52:28 benkay: what does the message look like?


16:52:57 Naphex: for example


16:53:11 Naphex: forgot that :P

16:53:29 Naphex: signature is hmac-sha256 with secret, from field 1 to uuid

16:53:51 pankkake: you never know where security bugs are

16:53:56 Naphex: OTP - is otp released to the client, by levels email yubikey/gpg/ - whatever

16:54:25 Naphex: messages will only be fowarded by firewalls/load balancers/proxy whatever. only if valid clean message

16:54:44 Naphex: so lets say, max length 120, valid checksum, valid message

16:54:51 benkay: are you just eval'ing those funcalls when you get 'em?

16:54:52 Naphex: then server checks signature, then checks otp

16:55:17 Naphex: i have state-full firewalls that know the protocol before

16:55:35 Naphex: and they check and validate the protocol and messages before

16:55:53 Naphex: just to make sure they are clean, and no 0 day can travell till the end

16:56:16 mike_c: mpex actually did lose some investor funds according to rota :)

16:56:30 thestringpuller: mike_c: good point ;) man that was a long time ago

16:57:55 asciilifeform: gotta ask, what's the basis for trusting 'yubikey' ?

16:58:40 Naphex: asciilifeform: i trust them mostly, but the security level is chosen by the client. so if client trusts yubi, then it trusts yubi validation servers

16:58:51 Naphex: i will soon be implementing GPG OTP

16:58:53 Naphex: so there

16:58:56 asciilifeform: the hardware.

16:59:28 asciilifeform: afaik - as closed as it gets

17:00:04 Naphex: asciilifeform: http://static.yubico.com/var/uploads/pdfs/Security%20Evaluation%202_0_1.pdf

17:00:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.70729420 BTC to 7`514 shares, 36030 satoshi per share

17:00:21 Naphex: i'd recommend the system over gauth

17:00:44 Naphex: and you don't have to keep the secret keys for it

17:00:52 asciilifeform: Naphex: what can we tell from this marketing brochure?

17:01:00 asciilifeform: i see no description of the internals.

17:02:06 Naphex: of the hardware?

17:02:13 asciilifeform: correct

17:03:13 Naphex: doubt their open

17:03:20 asciilifeform: they're not.

17:03:24 Naphex: but the software is, and there are some yubi software generators around

17:03:42 thestringpuller: what's the point of 2 factor?

17:03:46 asciilifeform: the hardware makes a promise.

17:03:54 asciilifeform: we cannot see if the promise is kept

17:04:02 jurov: thestringpuller: mpex did lose few bitcoins due to human errors, don't paint mp as saint

17:04:38 jurov: manual process does have disavantages, too

17:05:13 thestringpuller: true but far less than say bitcoinica

17:05:30 Naphex: i use a yubikey neo, and i'm pretty happy with it

17:05:35 Naphex: i don't place maxtrust on it

17:05:40 Naphex: but it's a level above

17:06:02 Naphex: don't place maxtrust(TM) on anything though :)

17:06:14 asciilifeform: it's never a question of 'maxtrust'

17:08:03 asciilifeform: for instance, what measures, if any, against 'differential power analysis' in yubikey?

17:08:08 fluffypony: on the topic of SeedCoin: http://bitcoin-betting-guide.com/james-cannings-blog/seedcoin-fund-i-update-no-gocoin-what-next/

17:08:23 asciilifeform: the closed aspect suggests, 'none'

17:09:40 jurov: thestringpuller: burnside (of btct) trolled coinbr hard, because mpex keys are online

17:10:01 jurov: but they must be somehow online for ppl to be able to trade

17:10:15 thestringpuller: offline/online

17:10:16 benkay: fluffypony: you missed the conversation where we mocked sfi for just listing a bunch of other people's projects on their havelock page.

17:10:20 thestringpuller: sorry misreading your sentence

17:10:26 pankkake: well, GPG allows you to be partially online

17:10:29 fluffypony: benkay: yeah the whole thing is a joke

17:10:32 Naphex: asciilifeform: are you sugesting DPA could be use in retriving yubikey secret?

17:10:33 pankkake: unless it signs with the main key

17:10:41 Naphex: which you would need to generate a valid otp

17:10:52 asciilifeform: Naphex: for instance.

17:11:07 fluffypony: benkay: did you see their reply to my TagPesa questions? they're all shock and horror that I suggested that institutional investors and even casual observers aren't impressed with them

17:11:43 kakobrekla: mike_c : http://bit4x.com/panacea/history/ < dis ok? note the csv url is different nao

17:11:47 benkay: i saw something to the effect in the logs. tbqf i don't in2 drama.

17:12:06 asciilifeform: a closed gadget suggests that there is something to be gained from learning what has been kept closed.

17:14:47 mike_c: kakobrekla: perfect, thanks.

17:15:15 Naphex: asciilifeform: https://www.emsec.rub.de/media/crypto/veroeffentlichungen/2014/02/04/paper_yubikey_sca.pdf apperantly it got sca'd some time ago

17:15:45 Naphex: Having discovered the security problem, before publication, we contacted the

17:15:46 asciilifeform: there we go.

17:15:48 Naphex: vendor Yubico as mentioned before. Yubico acknowledged our results and has

17:15:51 Naphex: taken measures to mitigate the security issues. We examined an updated firmware

17:15:54 Naphex: (version 2.4) and found that our attacks do not apply to this improved version.

17:16:26 Naphex: so yeah they had to tape the button

17:16:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9573 @ 0.0009692 = 9.2782 BTC [+]

17:17:32 asciilifeform: interesting lack of detail about vendor's response.

17:17:46 Naphex: there is a response bit more down

17:17:56 Naphex: something about NEO and STANDARD were unaffected because OATH

17:19:13 asciilifeform: that's a response?

17:22:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF2] 405 @ 0.001 = 0.405 BTC

17:23:54 Naphex: guess so, still.. you'd still need the button pressed

17:23:56 Naphex: or taped

17:24:22 Naphex: so a backdoor /trojan wouldn't get it without a huge sample size

17:24:57 Naphex: i'm not trumpeting yubikey, but i don't know of a better OTP atm

17:25:49 asciilifeform: nothing to do with trojans

17:26:00 asciilifeform: the device comes with not one but two gestures of bad faith

17:26:04 asciilifeform: i.e. - close,

17:26:21 asciilifeform: and undertakes to solve a problem to which there can be no solution

17:26:30 asciilifeform: *closed

17:26:51 Naphex: well, i just use it as a solution for OTP without handling private keys

17:27:08 asciilifeform: you're still handling private keys

17:27:10 Naphex: for GAuth you gotta transport the secret to the user

17:27:13 asciilifeform: just in a box

17:27:27 asciilifeform: that is decorated with alchemical symbols, in order to seem impenetrable to naive buyer

17:28:18 Naphex: you're not handling the private keys since you can just check yubico servers

17:28:19 asciilifeform: you gotta transport the secret to the user << did i wake up today in a parallel universe where public-key crypto was never invented ?

17:28:25 Naphex: you only need client's pubkey

17:29:33 Naphex: asciilifeform: still protecting Gauth secret ruins the whole point

17:29:43 Naphex: if i have to deliver DH/GPG secret to the client for GAuth

17:30:03 Naphex: to just have it on the phone / or cached or who knows what

17:30:32 Naphex: i'd just stop ther eand request gpg auth:P

17:30:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3572 @ 0.0009692 = 3.462 BTC [+]

17:30:50 asciilifeform: take minute to think, what is yubi hiding, when refusing to publish the design ?

17:32:44 *: Naphex unplugs yubikey out :)

17:33:31 Naphex: well - a completly open OTP token, with hardware for sale would make a killin'

17:33:34 Naphex: i'd buy one

17:39:08 Naphex: ;;rate 1 asciilifeform NSA Should make a open OTP Token ;]

17:39:08 gribble: Error: Spurious "]". You may want to quote your arguments with double quotes in order to prevent extra brackets from being evaluated as nested commands.

17:39:12 Naphex: ;;rate 1 asciilifeform NSA Should make a open OTP Token

17:39:12 gribble: Error: 'asciilifeform' is not a valid integer.

17:39:16 Naphex: psh

17:39:27 Naphex: ;;rate asciilifeform 1 NSA Should make a open OTP Token

17:39:28 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user asciilifeform has been recorded.

17:39:35 Naphex: noob me, forgeting syntax

17:39:55 kakobrekla: Naphex forget it, he is busy with the sub

17:40:09 pankkake: ;;rate asciilifeform 1 makes the best tinfoil hats

17:40:11 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user asciilifeform has changed from 1 to 1.

17:40:31 asciilifeform: Naphex: 'cardano' could in principle be used as 'token.' but you gotta understand the difference between what yubi promises and what honest people can actually physically achieve

17:40:55 asciilifeform: ed felten's words, 'try to make a safe that can be left in burglar's living room' sums up the issue

17:41:03 benkay: what does yubi nominally promise?

17:41:26 asciilifeform: benkay: it promises that a private key can be sent in the post, left plugged in at wiring closet, etc. without danger.

17:41:38 benkay: hue

17:42:00 benkay: I WOULD LIKE A CARDANO PLZ

17:42:14 diametric: me too

17:42:19 Naphex: for me it promises a OTP, from the user. which i can validate without holding a secret

17:43:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 32 @ 0.00709698 = 0.2271 BTC [-] {5}

17:43:23 asciilifeform: Naphex: what i'm trying to get across is that a fellow with yubikey in his pocket is, in fact, 'holding a secret'

17:43:33 Naphex: and OTP just removes the risk of insider/intrusion that can just spam hotwallet servers or trade messages with withdrawals

17:43:37 asciilifeform: even if a con artist has fooled him into thinking otherwise

17:43:52 Naphex: asciilifeform: i'm talking from a server end point, i don't have to keep user secret. just public key

17:44:16 Naphex: so user gives me yubi pub key, and then shoots OTP

17:44:23 Naphex: i validate OTP against yubiservers

17:44:59 asciilifeform: since no one groks, looks like i'll have to 'draw a picture.'

17:45:14 asciilifeform: extraction of yubi internal key by the postman isn't the only interesting scenario

17:45:20 asciilifeform: vendor has the key.

17:45:33 asciilifeform: does he need to? the way it is designed - yes

17:45:49 artifexd: If it makes a difference, yubikey's internal slots are client writable.

17:46:29 Naphex: true, but my risk is still reduced, that an attacker/breacher would have to have private keys leaked, have user secrets, and have user email, and penetrate hard within infrastructure without detection, to nab some satoshi from the hot wallet

17:46:33 asciilifeform: likewise, given closed design, user has no way of knowing if yubi tosses a few bits of key into each signature nonce

17:46:34 asciilifeform: etc

17:46:35 benkay: can't vet the thing's behavior, artifexd. might as well be squirting things written to those slots back home.

17:47:17 Naphex: some risk reduction is worth it, even if not bulletproof in all theoretical/practical/NSA cases

17:47:51 asciilifeform: you don't need an army and navy to pwn yubi users. just a little bit of cooperation from the vendor.

17:48:00 Naphex: at least some 0 day or insider, or whatever breaches deep enough to issue withdrawal messages

17:48:09 asciilifeform: in that respect, it is exactly like other seekoority snake oil products.

17:48:10 Naphex: it still needs that stuff to do damage

17:48:11 artifexd: The point was that, instead of reading the key, an attacker could put his own key in there since he supposedly has access to the device prior to the client getting it. Also, the client could generate and insert is own keys thus destroying the attacker's advantage.

17:48:47 Naphex: you don't have to go that deep

17:48:50 artifexd: That may, or may not, invalidate the ability to use yubikey's servers though. I don't know.

17:49:14 asciilifeform: all of the traditional crapola is present. enforced and perpetual dependence on the vendor, for example.

17:49:21 kakobrekla: gox loaded yubis with their keys so the keys were locked to gox use only

17:49:24 Naphex: you can just realtime phish or sniff/block otp

17:49:41 Naphex: but that attack needs to be targeted

17:50:16 Naphex: and gox had the keys

17:50:37 asciilifeform: fact is, any secret key generated outside of your home should be assumed to be in enemy hands at birth.

17:51:12 Naphex: of course

17:51:24 benkay: all of a sudden i'm struck by the notion that the only good withdrawal message is one gpg-signed by the withdrawing party.

17:51:44 Naphex: said signer can still leak his keyphrase and key

17:51:57 Naphex: so..

17:51:58 benkay: not holding party's problem, though.

17:52:20 asciilifeform: yubi, by all indications, is designed to resist any attempt to determine whether it leaks key. therefore i must assume that it does.

17:53:58 artifexd: benkay If the yubikey registers as a keyboard, how can it access the network?

17:54:35 artifexd: It can certainly be loaded on an airgapped machine.

17:55:59 Naphex: artifexd: you touch the button, it types the OTP

17:56:12 artifexd: Yeah. I have several.

17:56:58 Naphex: ah sorry, i missread

17:57:49 artifexd: benkay suggested that the yubikey could phone home (or any attacker) with the new contents if it were reloaded. I was questioning that.

17:58:35 Naphex: ah, i doubt it. unless their personalization tool phones home, but doubt that

17:59:10 benkay: artifexd: i don't know enough about the thing. it pretends to be a keyboard, though? sounds like a lot of unexaminable dependencies.

17:59:11 artifexd: And even if it did, run it on an airgapped machine.

17:59:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20383 @ 0.0009692 = 19.7552 BTC [+]

17:59:43 benkay: so yubi is a signing thing? what are these yubi servers an implementer talks to?

17:59:52 benkay: it sounds weird and i don't trust it.

18:00:48 benkay: contrast with transparency of...gnu privacy guard.

18:01:10 artifexd: Similar to the transparency of... openssl?

18:02:49 benkay: bedrock of public crypto...known shitburger. great comparison.

18:03:39 artifexd: Open source compared to open source. The point is that being open doesn't make something trustworthy.

18:04:32 benkay: however being closed does make a thing impossible to trust.

18:05:06 benkay: this goes back to the problem of trust in the wot. openssl, pirate...ask anyone who knows things what they think of the two.

18:05:22 benkay: hey, guys: which is less likely to leak? openssl or gpg?

18:05:49 benkay: the comparison is not made on the basis of openness, rather by asking professionals and the experienced what their opinions are and why they are that.

18:07:45 Naphex: for me its still about risk reduction

18:08:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.06566806 = 0.197 BTC [-] {2}

18:08:33 Naphex: attacker needs username, password, otp(yubi,gpg), email for approving a withdrawal

18:10:31 thestringpuller: Naphex: i can get all three by putting a gun to the customer's head

18:10:50 thestringpuller: 4*

18:11:31 pankkake: you couldn't, I don't have my passwords

18:11:32 Naphex: sure. if you get all 4 the only thing that can save you is hope you don't hit any short-circuits or be enough in the hot wallet

18:11:35 Naphex: :P

18:12:18 Naphex: maybe i can ask an emergency question?

18:12:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.00096938 = 3.2959 BTC [+]

18:12:38 Naphex: and only one right answer, if you put in wrong answer we helicopter and save you

18:12:45 pankkake: :D

18:13:00 thestringpuller: why not consolidate all 4 to gpg

18:13:03 Naphex: you can set some really abstract question

18:13:18 Naphex: thestringpuller: i am, i will be adding GPG auth. but thats it

18:13:27 Naphex: we are planning on reaching regular folks as well

18:13:36 Naphex: not just the crypto community

18:14:07 Naphex: but we will be adding some nice UX for GPG authentication

18:14:17 Naphex: and doing some tutorial video for setting up, for noobs

18:14:37 Naphex: so there's that

18:16:16 Naphex: https://www.btcxchange.ro/order - its meant to have some easyability in it, remember it's an exchange and we will be having a transaction fee at some point

18:16:18 ozbot: btcXchange.ro - The first Bitcoin exchange in Romania

18:21:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23850 @ 0.00096914 = 23.114 BTC [-] {2}

18:34:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF2] 3000 @ 0.001 = 3 BTC

18:35:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6500 @ 0.00097105 = 6.3118 BTC [+] {2}

18:36:00 Duffer1: sf2? oh lawd another one?

18:36:37 mike_c: there are so many good companies for them to invest in! they need more funds.

18:36:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 200 @ 0.000835 = 0.167 BTC [+] {2}

18:37:02 Duffer1: incredible

18:37:20 Naphex: BTCTrip is nice and works well

18:38:01 fluffypony: Naphex: that's the exception to the rule

18:38:09 fluffypony: it's actually a completed product

18:38:18 fluffypony: have you seen TagPesa's pitch deck?

18:38:24 fluffypony: or BiTnews

18:38:25 Naphex: nah, the rest look like bull

18:38:38 Naphex: http://ignitefinancing.com/operators/

18:38:39 ozbot: Operators | Ignite Financing

18:38:47 Naphex: rly

18:49:50 thestringpuller: ;;google major tom venture bros.

18:49:51 gribble: Major Tom | The Venture Bros. | Adult Swim - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aqvIU1dkD8; Major Tom - The Venture Bros. Wiki - The People's Republic of ...: http://venturefans.org/vbwiki/Major_Tom; Ghosts of the Sargasso - The Venture Bros. Wiki - The People's ...: http://venturefans.org/vbwiki/Ghosts_of_the_Sargasso

18:52:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16071 @ 0.00097275 = 15.6331 BTC [+] {2}

18:54:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11154 @ 0.00097436 = 10.868 BTC [+]

19:01:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.50188389 BTC [-]

19:01:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.0045 = 0.225 BTC [+]

19:02:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 41 @ 0.00453622 = 0.186 BTC [+] {2}

19:05:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33288 @ 0.00097529 = 32.4655 BTC [+] {2}

19:13:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.067799 = 0.1356 BTC [+]

19:14:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6600 @ 0.00096973 = 6.4002 BTC [-] {2}

19:15:29 benkay: !up steven-__

19:15:29 assbot: Voicing steven-__ for 30 minutes.

19:21:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 850 @ 0.14 = 119 BTC

19:24:41 jurov: !up belcher

19:24:41 assbot: Voicing belcher for 30 minutes.

19:24:45 jurov: !up MiningBuddy

19:24:45 assbot: Voicing MiningBuddy for 30 minutes.

19:25:04 jurov: !up dR3

19:25:04 assbot: Voicing dR3 for 30 minutes.

19:25:46 dR3: Greets all. Appreciate this chan. That is all =)

19:30:08 jurov: :)

19:30:33 *: jurov looks whether SF1 paid any divs ..nope

19:32:00 jurov: so not one of their startups is profitable yet.nice

19:32:59 thestringpuller: they are gonna show us howt hey run this show

19:33:03 thestringpuller: HOW THEY RUN IT INTO THE GROUND

19:33:37 mike_c: they got their mistakes out of the way with SF1. You need to jump on SF2, it's going to the moon.

19:33:58 thestringpuller: i'd rather put money in mpif

19:34:15 thestringpuller: or just make equal high weight bets on boths sides of a bit bet...

19:34:16 thestringpuller: :P

19:34:39 jurov: http://www.seedco.in/home/sites/default/files/page/attachment/Seedcoin_incubator_nov_2013.pdf lol dividends aren't even mentioned

19:34:46 jurov: that's ridiculous

19:35:39 jurov: http://www.seedco.in/home/sites/default/files/page/attachment/SFI_IPO_prospectus.pdf says

19:35:45 fluffypony: who needs dividends, jurov?

19:35:52 fluffypony: investors should just throw money at it

19:35:55 jurov: SFI unit holders are entitled to receive dividends indirectly from the Fund's startups which have a

19:35:57 jurov: dividend distribution plan.

19:36:08 jurov: how indirectly?

19:38:47 jurov: guess the dividend plans are guarded with utmost secrecy :D

19:39:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.067799 = 1.017 BTC [+]

19:42:07 asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu my hunch is that all known block ciphers have non-linear keyspaces.

19:42:07 gribble: The operation succeeded.

19:42:34 jurov: asciilifeform: care to elaborate?

19:42:52 asciilifeform: ;;google nonlinear keyspace

19:42:53 gribble: Weak key - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weak_key; hybrid message-embedded cipher using logistic map - arXiv: http://arxiv.org/pdf/1209.2582; State convergence and keyspace reduction of the Mixer stream cipher: http://eprint.iacr.org/2010/628.pdf

19:45:51 jurov: so you suspect AES for certain keys is more easily crackable? how so?

19:46:45 asciilifeform: jurov: this notion is not original to me, visit the literature

19:46:51 jurov: because it was never proven otherwise? i can see that

19:46:54 midnightmagic: history of past bad keyspace means attackers try that first always

19:47:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22700 @ 0.0009754 = 22.1416 BTC [+] {3}

19:47:29 midnightmagic: (aside from weak keygen)

19:49:43 BingoBoingo: mike_c: It will be harder to track my part of MPIF, but the monthly statements will still exist, and there's the part where at least at the start of this the operation I am running is smaller than the other portions.

19:51:49 mike_c: it would be feasible to have a webpage showing your balances. that is perhaps not a good idea for a market maker though.

19:54:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31991 @ 0.00097572 = 31.2143 BTC [+] {4}

19:55:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.0742218 = 0.2969 BTC [-]

19:57:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.034 = 0.136 BTC [-]

19:58:46 BingoBoingo: mike_c: Well, the monthly reports will include exact balances, but I'm not yet sure about the wisdom of offering balances in real time. That might leak things like when exactly trades executed and where I had orders sitting on the orderbook.

19:59:54 mike_c: yeah. definitely a balancing act with how visible it should be.

20:00:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.034 = 0.102 BTC [-]

20:00:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0406 = 0.1218 BTC [-]

20:00:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.0742218 = 0.2227 BTC [-]

20:03:04 fluffypony: "Due to popular demand, now available to trade on an easier to use system. Available here https://bitcoinbourse.eu/ ticker DUN"

20:03:12 fluffypony: well that's the end of that

20:05:35 jurov: lulzbourse is easy to use????

20:06:32 jurov: the interface is rather chaotic

20:06:40 jurov: and all orders expire in 3 days

20:07:01 fluffypony: jurov: well you also don't have to do anything to list

20:07:01 jurov: so you have to log in every 3 days if you want to maintain standing order

20:07:05 fluffypony: except say "I want to list"

20:07:21 fluffypony: in fact

20:07:32 fluffypony: I'd hazard it's easier to list there than on MasterCoin

20:07:37 jurov: oh i misunderstood... easy to use system for an issuer, not for the user

20:07:48 fluffypony: yep

20:07:49 fluffypony: :-P

20:23:28 moiety: my client was flashing when i got in, not sure if it was because moiety or manuls was mentioned

20:23:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF2] 577 @ 0.001 = 0.577 BTC

20:24:20 moiety: ;; later tell mircea_popescu even the doges are at it now http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/2014-04/enhanced/webdr04/25/10/enhanced-buzz-22480-1398437911-8.jpg must be for cinco de mayo

20:24:21 gribble: The operation succeeded.

20:24:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC

20:25:22 fluffypony: LOL

20:25:22 fluffypony: have to show my wife that

20:25:22 fluffypony: moiety: I mentioned manuls

20:26:07 pankkake: lol a hilight on manuls

20:26:26 moiety: alongside moiety... so im unsure which triggered smuxi to flash

20:26:52 moiety: hi pankkake :D

20:27:28 BingoBoingo: fluffypony: Do you worry that maybe your wife might begin to suspect you might be spending all of this time online trying to cheat on her with a Manul?

20:27:56 moiety: that would obviously be forgiven as soon as she looked up manuls?

20:28:08 moiety: also herroo BB :D

20:28:12 asciilifeform: fly manul to argentina, breed with colocolo -> double thickness

20:28:23 moiety: you are a genius

20:28:27 diametric: asciilifeform: hows mainboard development going?

20:28:47 asciilifeform: diametric: had to switch to 4-layer.

20:28:58 asciilifeform: diametric: something that i was hoping to avoid

20:29:02 diametric: damn

20:29:31 moiety: i tried to rewire a mouse today, didnt go so well

20:30:19 pankkake: a manul ate it?

20:31:21 moiety: unfortunately not. i tried to frankenstein the usb bit on the end with a non frayed one. i ended up with more bits than i started with D;

20:31:41 fluffypony: BingoBoingo: we have 6 dogs

20:31:42 fluffypony: she knows I would never

20:32:02 moiety: the hattori is a bit more vicious on little wires than i was expecting

20:32:11 BingoBoingo: fluffypony: All it takes is 1 Manul and then you have 0 dogs

20:32:16 moiety: ^ this

20:32:19 fluffypony: we have Basenjis

20:32:22 fluffypony: they'll take a Manul on

20:32:26 moiety: oh wow they dont bark do they

20:32:32 fluffypony: nope

20:32:35 fluffypony: they yodel

20:32:37 moiety: yodelling dogs!

20:32:48 moiety: i know the ones!

20:33:11 moiety: they are corgi coloured BB but legs are like 5 times the length

20:33:33 BingoBoingo: They look like malnourished strays

20:33:53 fluffypony: BingoBoingo: lol

20:33:54 moiety: just because youre used to seeing fat assed corgis

20:34:05 moiety: you would be horrified at greyhounds

20:34:08 fluffypony: they're one of the ancient breeds, so they're the dogs in ancient egypt that the pharoahs worshipped

20:34:12 asciilifeform: basenji - that looks quite like the dogs i saw in Timis.

20:34:54 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The basenji is basically a pariah dog type. What other dogs revert to after uncontrolled breeding. Natural strays.

20:35:03 fluffypony: yer`

20:35:10 fluffypony: if you lock a bunch of dogs on an island

20:35:13 fluffypony: say, Australia

20:35:16 fluffypony: and come back in 100 years

20:35:19 fluffypony: you'll have an island of Basenjis

20:35:50 BingoBoingo: Compare to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Black_Terrier

20:35:59 jurov: !up justusranvier

20:35:59 assbot: Voicing justusranvier for 30 minutes.

20:36:11 jurov: !up mius

20:36:11 assbot: Voicing mius for 30 minutes.

20:36:13 BingoBoingo: Or its ancestor http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_Water_Dog

20:36:31 BingoBoingo: 'They were developed as a water rescue/lifesaving dog, but according to O. Krasnovskaya, "That was not a good idea as [they] were not willing to save drowning people, but mostly were looking to bite them so this breed was never developed".'

20:37:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.0742218 = 0.1484 BTC [-]

20:40:51 Naphex: sounds in tune with youtube russia :)

20:42:09 Naphex: gn

20:45:39 moiety: rhodesian ridgeback is an interesting dog imo

20:46:29 BingoBoingo: just because it hunts lions, doesn't mean it will be effective against a Manul though.

20:46:30 moiety: night Naphex sleep well :]

20:46:42 moiety: nothing is effective against a manul!

20:46:52 fluffypony: moiety: except a pack of Basenjis!

20:46:54 fluffypony: :-P

20:47:15 moiety: well, you have a pack.... shall we experiment?

20:47:31 moiety: BB start the BitBet nao!

20:48:24 moiety: put your bitcoins where your basenjis are fluffypony :P

20:48:35 *: moiety bets on manuls

20:48:46 fluffypony: lol

20:48:46 fluffypony: moiety I would

20:48:46 fluffypony: but

20:48:46 fluffypony: I don't want to be responsible for a dead manul

20:49:22 moiety: dead happy manul*

20:49:35 moiety: dead = very in scotland

20:49:58 fluffypony: lol

20:51:38 fluffypony: moiety here

20:51:41 fluffypony: http://imgur.com/a/1I7tm

20:51:43 ozbot: Basenji fight - Imgur

20:51:52 fluffypony: that's what happens when the beta picks a fight with the alpha

20:52:02 fluffypony: (the beta lost, he's the one with the bust up eye)

20:52:05 mircea_popescu: %t

20:52:07 atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 156 Ask: 238 Last Price: 200 24h-Vol: 978k High: 230 Low: 150 VWAP: 184

20:53:15 mircea_popescu: so how was the difficulty ?

20:53:19 mircea_popescu: %block

20:53:25 mod6: %diff

20:53:28 atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 455357.13 Est. Next Diff: 174611.14 in 1931 blocks (#32256) Est. % Change: -61.65

20:53:28 mircea_popescu: aty

20:53:31 mircea_popescu: .d

20:53:32 ozbot: 6.979 billion | Next Diff in 180 blocks | Estimated Change: 14.5004% in 1d 1h 20m 11s

20:53:36 moiety: fluffypony: wow what a shame D;

20:53:45 mircea_popescu: ;;calc 455357.13 / 6.979 / 10**9

20:53:46 gribble: 6.5246758848e-05

20:54:02 mircea_popescu: 0.00006524 by diff.

20:54:05 fluffypony: moiety: yeah, they belong to the "fight to the death" school of pack leadership :-P

20:55:19 moiety: fluffypony: like hamsters

20:55:27 fluffypony: there we go

20:55:30 fluffypony: giant, yodelling hamsters

20:55:35 moiety: XD bahahahahaha

20:55:43 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform its probable yubikeys have a master, yes.

20:56:17 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not only this, but they write the key. ergo, they have the key.

20:57:36 asciilifeform: somehow this concept is 'rocket surgery' to people.

20:59:32 fluffypony: it's still a sight better than "password + birthday = secure password"

21:00:05 asciilifeform: may as well say that it beats being dragged behind a truck until nothing remains on the rope but a tattered thread of skin.

21:02:03 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> you gotta transport the secret to the user << did i wake up today in a parallel universe where public-key crypto was never invented ? << no, you woke up in a parallel universe where microsoft is still a business model.

21:02:05 mircea_popescu: not THAT paralel.

21:02:12 asciilifeform: lul

21:03:44 mircea_popescu: <Naphex> asciilifeform: i'm talking from a server end point, i don't have to keep user secret. just public key <<< see, there. that's the value proposition : it allows the operator to say "sorry, fuck you" to the user in terms that are socially acceptable,

21:03:56 mircea_popescu: unlike the bitbet style, which while being exactly the same thing, is socially unacceptable.

21:05:33 mircea_popescu: artifexd> That may, or may not, invalidate the ability to use yubikey's servers though. I don't know. << afaik blowing their key does make it unable to use the servers, because you see, the true beauty of stupidty : they actually narrow the keyspace (significantly) to make their product vendor-lockedin

21:05:48 mircea_popescu: ie, not all keys work, key has to satisfy magic yubikey criteria on top of entropy

21:06:05 pankkake: lol

21:06:16 pankkake: oh was that why the mtgox keys worked only with mtgox?

21:06:27 mircea_popescu: <benkay> all of a sudden i'm struck by the notion that the only good withdrawal message is one gpg-signed by the withdrawing party. << welcome to... 2012 ?

21:06:43 mircea_popescu: pankkake yup.

21:06:52 artifexd: The code to run a yubikey server is open source so you, I, or anyone is welcome to swap out the key and run their own server.

21:06:54 mircea_popescu: they used same principle, except (afaik) even shittier implementation

21:06:57 mircea_popescu: reduced space even more

21:07:03 pankkake: that's like the password things that require you to have "at least one number, one capitalized letter, one symbol"

21:07:11 mircea_popescu: kinda worse, tbh

21:08:31 mircea_popescu: <benkay> hey, guys: which is less likely to leak? openssl or gpg? << gpg may still have a bug or two in there.

21:09:54 mircea_popescu: <Naphex> we are planning on reaching regular folks as well << tbh, as long as you ernestly offer the strong version, nobody can hold it against you that you also offer a convenient version.

21:10:00 mircea_popescu: as long as the user can choose, you're scott free.

21:10:59 mircea_popescu: <mike_c> they got their mistakes out of the way with SF1. You need to jump on SF2, it's going to the moon. << i forget, what was the eventual return on that thing ?

21:11:31 mircea_popescu: <midnightmagic> (aside from weak keygen) << and aside from planted holes.

21:12:27 mike_c: sf1 stock is down 15% from ipo in december, no dividends.

21:12:36 mike_c: so not bad for havelol

21:13:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 18 @ 0.03447 = 0.6205 BTC [+] {6}

21:13:31 fluffypony: mike_c: I'd love to know what they're going to do since GoCoin rejected their investment

21:13:45 fluffypony: so now they have this pile of BTC that was meant for GoCoin

21:13:53 fluffypony: or OkPay

21:13:56 fluffypony: or whatever it's called

21:14:05 mike_c: i'm sure they will find someone willing to take it.

21:14:09 fluffypony: GoCoin

21:14:12 fluffypony: http://bitcoin-betting-guide.com/james-cannings-blog/seedcoin-fund-i-update-no-gocoin-what-next/

21:14:15 ozbot: Seedcoin Fund I Update: No GoCoin, What Next?

21:14:19 mircea_popescu: today i learned Basenji is a sort of dog.

21:14:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.03447 = 0.3102 BTC [+] {4}

21:16:40 mircea_popescu: o wow all caught up with log. check me out!

21:16:48 *: mircea_popescu does a little all caught up dance.

21:17:01 mircea_popescu: mike_c ah, almost worse than dr foreskin

21:17:19 mircea_popescu: fluffypony they'll buy virtual mining shares.

21:17:26 fluffypony: hah hah

21:17:41 mircea_popescu: this concept where they return the investment is obviously too much for teh forum.

21:19:54 artifexd: mircea_popescu: What is the way in which purchasers of f.mpif are expecting to make money? Increase in nav? Dividends?

21:20:09 pankkake: my last encounter with jimmothy points to that :/

21:20:28 mircea_popescu: artifexd well substantially, my thinking is that one does not simply kill berkshire, one also makes a replacement. if one's polite, at least.

21:20:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 900 @ 0.14 = 126 BTC

21:20:44 mircea_popescu: so in general, the share should appreciate through tracking its nav.

21:21:13 artifexd: That implies that you do not expect to issue regular dividends. Correct?

21:21:21 mircea_popescu: dividends will happen if there's no rational use of capital comensurate with historical gains, so if the thing makes ~10% pa for a while, and there's no way to beat that, i'd start distributing capital

21:21:24 pankkake: it's in the blog post iirc

21:21:31 mircea_popescu: artifexd correct. it even says as much.

21:22:14 mircea_popescu: " It may pay a dividend during any period I determine this expedient, but there is no promise of monthly dividend (nor does such a thing make any sense whatsoever, for most companies)."

21:22:23 artifexd: Well. Crap. I hate asking questions when the answer is in black and white.

21:22:37 mircea_popescu: eh no big deal, you don't have a charged history.

21:22:41 mircea_popescu: everyone can get away with a few.

21:23:19 pankkake: no one should be blamed for tl;dring fraudsters

21:23:22 mircea_popescu: anyway : because i actually included pc5 explicitly, the share actually has a clear mechanism to track nav pretty closely.

21:23:33 mircea_popescu: this i personally regard as a structural and significant improvement over berkshire.

21:24:09 fluffypony: hah hah pankkake

21:24:15 pankkake: there's no public nav for berkshire?

21:24:33 fluffypony: I normally have to gloss over fraudsters posts 5 or 6 times before I remember what it was about

21:24:35 Namworld: Returning the investment is not something that the forum can digest you say? So if I complete repaying all my lenders, all hell will break loose on the forum?

21:24:47 fluffypony: Namworld: I think the world will come to the end

21:24:53 mircea_popescu: pankkake eh i wouldn't go as far as that

21:25:06 pankkake: fluffypony: I'll eventually make a script to put them on my ereader. maybe I'll read them all then

21:25:08 mircea_popescu: Namworld in a word, yes.

21:25:27 mircea_popescu: pankkake see, the problem is you don't fly enough.

21:25:44 Namworld: Seems like a good reason to not give up then.

21:25:50 mircea_popescu: i know at least a dozen people who read fraudsters while travelling. catch up with a month's worth on an intercontinental flight

21:26:08 pankkake: I have had some productivity streaks while on the train

21:26:25 pankkake: that's actually why I don't mind long *comfortable* travel over short inconfortable

21:26:31 mircea_popescu: btw, what's the worst time to have a productive streak ?

21:26:36 fluffypony: on the toilet

21:26:52 mircea_popescu: when you're riding a bird.

21:26:52 pankkake: I usually solve problems when peeing

21:27:13 mircea_popescu: (scottish bird = girl)

21:27:21 fluffypony: lol

21:27:39 mircea_popescu: btw, what's with the brony power puff nick ?

21:27:46 mircea_popescu: faghaters were inquiring earlier.

21:27:53 fluffypony: oh I saw that in the log

21:28:06 fluffypony: ok so when I was young, maybe 22 or 23

21:28:09 mrstickball: what's up with this stock? https://litecoininvest.com/security/HFLTC

21:28:11 mrstickball: 100% APY

21:28:19 mircea_popescu: "this one time, in band camp..."

21:28:26 mrstickball: pretty vague stuff, wondering if its a ponzi

21:28:29 fluffypony: I worked at this IT company, and there were these two cute sales girls (literally the only two decent looking people at the company)

21:28:36 fluffypony: and they were known as fluffy puppy and fluffy bunny

21:28:38 fluffypony: never asked why

21:28:52 fluffypony: at any rate, we went on a team building weekend away

21:29:02 fluffypony: got slaughter-house drunk with them whilst the nerds went to sleep

21:29:08 fluffypony: and they decided to give me a nick name

21:29:23 mircea_popescu: before or after the oral sex ?

21:29:30 fluffypony: so in the wee hours of a debaucherus night/morning they decided my nick name would be fluffy horse

21:29:37 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: inbetween and all around

21:29:37 artifexd: Isn't that known as "fluffing"?

21:29:56 fluffypony: artifexd: that came up as part of the convo that night ;)

21:29:59 mircea_popescu: is this story a subtle suggestion you've got a nigger hose ?

21:30:07 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: *wink*

21:30:14 fluffypony: anyway, I thought fluffy horse "sounded gay"

21:30:20 mircea_popescu: don't wink at me, i don't twink that way

21:30:27 fluffypony: and they thought "fluffy pony" was much better

21:30:35 fluffypony: which was "lol funny joke"

21:30:38 mircea_popescu: lol o i c, fluffy pony is less gay. right. what'd you drink, paint thinner ?

21:30:49 pankkake: maybe in an ironic way

21:30:53 fluffypony: till they started calling me fluffypony and FP in emails and at Friday afternoon drinks

21:30:56 fluffypony: and it stuck

21:31:05 mircea_popescu: well cool story brony.

21:31:06 mircea_popescu: glad i asked.

21:31:48 fluffypony: well it's better than some of my nicknames in the 90s

21:32:01 fluffypony: I think I was death-0ver0rd on Dalnet for like a year

21:32:03 mircea_popescu: artifexd fluffing is when a youngish girl that aspires to one day make money from porn tries her inept damdest to get up the overworked penis of some druggie pronstar guy

21:32:06 fluffypony: *shudders*

21:33:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.06750616 = 0.8101 BTC [-]

21:34:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF2] 250 @ 0.001 = 0.25 BTC

21:35:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 25 @ 0.0075 = 0.1875 BTC [+]

21:42:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20086 @ 0.00097079 = 19.4993 BTC [-] {2}

21:43:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 20 @ 0.00554001 = 0.1108 BTC [-]

21:48:33 jurov: mrstickball, you can inquire Mr. Miquel J. Pavón Besalú for lulz if you want provided you publish the convo,

21:48:46 mircea_popescu: http://americasmarkets.usatoday.com/2014/04/28/b-of-a-math-error-halts-dividend-increase/

21:48:47 ozbot: B of A math error halts dividend increase | America's Markets

21:48:49 mircea_popescu: check tghis shit out.

21:48:52 jurov: i'll give you his addy

21:49:02 mrstickball: do you know anything about him, or are you just asking me to PM him and post convo for lulz? jurov

21:49:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.034 = 0.17 BTC [-]

21:49:20 jurov: he asked me to list HFLTC on coinbr

21:50:48 mrstickball: Ahhh

21:51:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26247 @ 0.00097351 = 25.5517 BTC [+] {2}

21:51:12 mrstickball: I saw that he was looking at listing on Coin Brouse, but was unsure how that interaction worked

21:51:22 jurov: he is there

21:52:27 mrstickball: so he wanted to use coinbr to get on mPEX?

21:53:02 jurov: i preferred not to ask, sent him straight to read fraudsters

21:53:16 mrstickball: I see

21:53:26 jurov: that fell to deaf ears

21:54:32 mrstickball: odd that he believes that he wants to invest as a hedge fund but not read up on exchanges..

21:55:51 mircea_popescu: numerisTrade answered your comments.

21:57:11 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: are most romania young ladies hot?

21:57:17 thestringpuller: seems like Romania is the new Brazil

21:58:45 mircea_popescu: they're hungry and they walk a lot.

21:58:47 mircea_popescu: it helps.

22:00:20 jurov: !up ericmuyser

22:00:20 assbot: Voicing ericmuyser for 30 minutes.

22:00:26 jurov: !up jborkl

22:00:26 assbot: Voicing jborkl for 30 minutes.

22:00:41 mircea_popescu: !jd mpif

22:00:42 assbot: Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 50.24168916 BTC

22:00:51 mircea_popescu: hey where's my 7% a week

22:00:54 mrstickball: I thought Romania was the poor man's Poland, which is the poor man's GDR

22:01:36 jurov: lol such stereotype heaping

22:01:37 thestringpuller: did ReutersEmily ever make an mpex article?

22:01:58 mircea_popescu: not afaik.

22:02:12 mircea_popescu: i imagine if she did she'd have come back and dropped a line

22:04:51 thestringpuller: I'm reading up on the march 21st logs, just wondering what came of the IRC interview.

22:06:20 benkay: <BingoBoingo> fluffypony: All it takes is 1 Manul and then you have 0 doges << ftfy

22:06:27 benkay: manul for atc mascot?

22:06:35 benkay: !up blackwhite_

22:06:35 assbot: Voicing blackwhite_ for 30 minutes.

22:06:42 mircea_popescu: is it like an altcat ?

22:06:58 benkay: better than a lolcat

22:07:22 benkay: not quite the dragon of btc

22:07:26 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller since then we've had another reuters chick recently

22:08:23 benkay: was there a recursive bitbet recently?

22:08:29 thestringpuller: are there logs there?

22:08:38 thestringpuller: err

22:08:54 thestringpuller: lemme just google

22:09:08 thestringpuller: benkay: recursive bet?

22:09:10 benkay: not necessarily recently

22:09:19 thestringpuller: ;;gettrust Ukyo

22:09:19 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user Ukyo: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=thestringpuller&dest=Ukyo | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Ukyo | Rated since: never

22:09:20 benkay: something like 'this bet resolves as yes if there's more yes than no'

22:09:26 thestringpuller: ;;gettrust utko

22:09:27 benkay: more btc bet on yes i mean

22:09:27 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user utko: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=thestringpuller&dest=utko | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=utko | Rated since: never

22:09:31 thestringpuller: ;;gettrust ukto

22:09:32 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user ukto: Level 1: 0, Level 2: -4 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=thestringpuller&dest=ukto | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=ukto | Rated since: Wed Jun 15 00:24:56 2011

22:09:41 mircea_popescu: ;;google site:log.bitcoin-assets.com "pura vida"

22:09:42 gribble: #bitcoin-assets log: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/

22:09:50 fluffypony: oh well that's helpful

22:09:51 fluffypony: lol

22:09:58 mircea_popescu: google is like a paragon of useless.

22:10:09 benkay: submit to the personalization, mircea_popescu

22:10:32 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller Apr 23 05:03:11

22:11:11 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: jesus google has gotten good meanwhile ?! << haha mircea_popescu has a love hate relationship with google

22:11:38 benkay: <mike_c> sf1 stock is down 15% from ipo in december, no dividends.

22:11:39 dub: has s.mpif a blogsplanation?

22:11:44 mircea_popescu: yeah. actual hate and ironic love.

22:11:53 benkay: ;;google fraudsters wunderbar spif

22:11:55 gribble: No matches found.

22:12:01 benkay: ;;google fraudsters wunderbar mpif

22:12:04 mircea_popescu: dub http://fraudsters.com/2014/the-wunderbar-smpif/

22:12:05 gribble: The wunderbar S.MPIF pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: http://fraudsters.com/2014/the-wunderbar-smpif/; Economic cycles finally explained pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea ...: http://fraudsters.com/2014/economic-cycles-finally-explained/; Gloria pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: http://fraudsters.com/2014/gloria/

22:12:19 mircea_popescu: benkay weird how that works huh

22:12:23 mircea_popescu: ;;google fraudsters wunderbar smpif

22:12:24 gribble: The wunderbar S.MPIF pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: http://fraudsters.com/2014/the-wunderbar-smpif/

22:12:32 mircea_popescu: ;;google fraudsters smpif

22:12:33 gribble: The wunderbar S.MPIF pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: http://fraudsters.com/2014/the-wunderbar-smpif/

22:12:34 mircea_popescu: ;;google smpif

22:12:36 gribble: The wunderbar S.MPIF pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: http://fraudsters.com/2014/the-wunderbar-smpif/; The Legend of Malin Kundang by Muthy - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IPjMv1Zef0; PV#1 Light Novel Indonesia "TOP IDOL!" - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DRKmyeXj6s

22:12:40 dub: oh yeah I think I read that after 24 hours travel

22:12:49 fluffypony: http://i.imgur.com/c30kXfU.jpg

22:14:07 thestringpuller: AH one from Central mexico

22:14:27 benkay: <fluffypony> I worked at this IT company, and there were these two cute sales girls (literally the only two decent looking people at the company) << including you?

22:14:40 thestringpuller: hahaha

22:14:43 fluffypony: benkay: pretty much, I've never claimed to be beautiful

22:14:55 fluffypony: my wife certainly didn't marry me for my looks

22:15:01 mircea_popescu: the only thing about him is the way that he walks.

22:15:04 mircea_popescu: he can't even dance.

22:15:22 fluffypony: heh heh

22:15:32 fluffypony: hot sun, beating down, burning my feet just walkin' around

22:16:03 mircea_popescu: my black stony heart is so satisfied today.

22:16:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 60 @ 0.00445035 = 0.267 BTC [-]

22:16:32 thestringpuller: so web of trust I think gets more accurate over time

22:16:35 mircea_popescu: this romanian party, was ruling party. a year or so ago i quit, and quite publicly told them to either bring me the head of the then-president or else there will be no fucking party.

22:16:48 mircea_popescu: they just split, lost the government, are probably going straight to the history books.

22:17:02 fluffypony: poetic justice

22:17:07 mircea_popescu: ah, the sweet pleasure of the utter destruction of schmucks that thought they knew better

22:18:03 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller that'd be accurate

22:18:31 thestringpuller: well i've been doing gettrust on known scammers

22:18:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03447 = 0.1724 BTC [+]

22:18:38 fluffypony: BingoBoingo, moiety: http://i.imgur.com/mENwWpL.jpg

22:18:44 thestringpuller: the WoT blatantly says "Nigga don't trust these guys"

22:19:13 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller actually i would imagine its accuracy is a linear function of the average length of noncircular paths.

22:20:14 moiety: fluffypony: aww! i wonder if they followed on land too!

22:20:29 thestringpuller: hmm, paths that have definite endpoints?

22:20:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13236 @ 0.00097011 = 12.8404 BTC [-] {2}

22:20:37 mircea_popescu: moiety chicks only follow you the way they wanted to go anyway :D

22:20:45 fluffypony: hah hah

22:20:58 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller paths that include any given segment at most once

22:21:11 mircea_popescu: (segment = direct path between two nodes)

22:21:40 thestringpuller: Ah I see.

22:21:59 thestringpuller: So that would mean the more connections the more accurate?

22:22:09 thestringpuller: or would that just be a side-effect of what you're describing

22:22:13 mircea_popescu: the "deeper" connections

22:22:17 moiety: <mircea_popescu> my black stony heart is so satisfied today. << what did you eat?!

22:22:27 mircea_popescu: pasta

22:22:42 moiety: pasta is good for the soul :]

22:23:04 mircea_popescu: i'm the grandmaster of white sauces.

22:23:45 asciilifeform: anyone here own 'yubikey' ? got it to cough up its fw?

22:23:46 benkay: !up blackwhite_

22:23:46 assbot: Voicing blackwhite_ for 30 minutes.

22:24:38 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://www.unrest.ca/evaluating-the-security-of-the-yubikey

22:25:26 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: looks like it only mentions the server-end crap

22:25:27 artifexd: asciilifeform: I have one that I'm willing to sacrifice to the cause but I have no idea how to do that.

22:25:40 mircea_popescu: "- The Yubikey personalization app saves a .csv logfile with the programmed key values meaning a malware-based attack may discover the log files on block devices even when the files have been deleted"

22:25:52 artifexd: I'd be willing to mail it to you if that would be useful.

22:26:07 mircea_popescu: artifexd only after he finishes the cardano

22:26:11 asciilifeform: artifexd: sadly, i'm otherwise occupied. but you are encouraged to do it yourself

22:26:52 asciilifeform: note that yubi is braindamaged even if there is no obvious flaw in the hardware

22:26:54 asciilifeform: (see log)

22:27:43 asciilifeform: just boggles me mind that people swallow this shit.

22:27:57 moiety: i think you should send me some sauce so i can test this statement mircea_popescu

22:28:34 mircea_popescu: a no, gotta wear a steel collar to be tasting this thing.

22:28:52 kakobrekla: asciilifeform its not like its cake or death dilemma

22:29:02 moiety: i was shown those neokey things a while ago

22:29:09 asciilifeform: 'we're all out of death, gonna have to be cake'

22:29:10 moiety: lol fair enough mircea_popescu

22:29:56 fluffypony: asciilifeform: he is by far my favourite comedian

22:31:44 benkay: !up coingenuity

22:31:44 assbot: Voicing coingenuity for 30 minutes.

22:31:49 benkay: what's up coingenuity

22:31:53 benkay: SUCH PUN

22:32:20 benkay: !up mikaeldice

22:32:20 assbot: Voicing mikaeldice for 30 minutes.

22:32:54 mikaeldice: Hi benkay

22:33:07 benkay: hi mikaeldice what's news?

22:33:46 mikaeldice: Nothing new.. I've been wondering for a while if there is a better forum than bitcointalk, though.

22:34:03 benkay: just irc

22:34:06 benkay: the log

22:34:08 benkay: and blogs

22:34:24 fluffypony: bitcointa.lk is much better

22:34:30 mircea_popescu: benkay that pun took me three passes.

22:35:16 benkay: just another dumpun. don't break yourself.

22:36:29 thestringpuller: :D

22:40:58 thestringpuller: ;;seen alexsanjose

22:40:58 gribble: alexsanjose was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 5 days, 19 hours, 12 minutes, and 36 seconds ago: <alexsanjose> if you come across in humans in Central America who have bitcoin gambling operations and they want to talk to a reporter, tell them i dont bite alexandra.alper@thomsonreuters.com

22:41:09 moiety: i just realised i used later tell earlier probably wrongly because i was looking at the wrong part of the people list

22:41:49 mikaeldice: I'd like to see bitcoin companies start using a more transparent accounting system that's more detailed than the blockchain. It wouldn't really cut down on fraud, but it might make the incompetent more noticeable and accountable.

22:42:18 mircea_popescu: mikaeldice http://fraudsters.com/2013/accounting-for-the-nonzero-asset-corporation-the-mpex-standard/

22:43:49 fluffypony: mikaeldice: they could just publish their monthlies and prove they have access to the funds they claim by sending it to a public address

22:44:02 mikaeldice: Thanks, mircea_popescu, I've read that post before and enjoyed it.

22:44:26 mircea_popescu: so then what are you talking about ?

22:44:37 benkay: fluffypony: wouldn't simply signing with the addr key suffice?

22:44:39 mircea_popescu: that's the accounting standard, bitcoin companies do use it, etc.

22:44:52 mikaeldice: I was thinking more of an open ledger which automatically updates with expenditures from preset addresses. The user adds a justification, maybe associates an expense account to it

22:45:03 benkay: sounds like a DAC

22:45:05 benkay: burn it with fire

22:45:57 fluffypony: benkay: they may move things around during the month for operational purposes (change addresses in a wallet etc.), so moving it into one address is a very quick operation

22:47:27 benkay: fluffypony: what fraction of corporate funds are you expecting to be in hot storage?

22:47:45 fluffypony: benkay: depends on the type of business

22:47:50 mircea_popescu: why do people constantly want to do things differently than the way things are done i have no idea.

22:50:58 benkay: girl is using the mini sledge to pulverize peanut brittle

22:51:29 thestringpuller: why do people constantly want to do things differently than the way things are done i have no idea. << like when people try to put the square block into the circle hole?

22:51:43 mircea_popescu: what';s a mini sledge ? like a mega peanut ?

22:51:48 mikaeldice: Well, the problem is that things aren't getting done the right way. The system you outline in your website is a good one, but few people use it.

22:52:05 mircea_popescu: mikaeldice all bitcoin corps use it, actually.

22:55:59 benkay: !up mjr_

22:55:59 assbot: Voicing mjr_ for 30 minutes.

22:56:20 fluffypony: mikaeldice: the reason it isn't being done isn't because it's complicated

22:56:30 mikaeldice: Are you narrowly defining what a bitcoin corp is? Taking a look at the securities forum, it's almost not in use by most of the scams and incompetents there. When there is reporting, it's late and/or incomplete..

22:56:39 fluffypony: it's not like if you create an easier system all the scams will be like "ohai, let's be legit!"

22:57:08 mikaeldice: True, but the goal would be to generate red flags on incompetence more than anything

22:57:23 fluffypony: mikaeldice: that would need to be done BEFORE investing

22:57:43 fluffypony: mikaeldice: also, re: what is a "Bitcoin business" - http://blog.spagni.net/posts/2014-04-28/

22:58:00 mircea_popescu: mikaeldice but the scams and incompetents aren't bitcoin corps. i mean it's like saying turbojet propulsion isn't used by model airplanes. sure.

22:58:05 mircea_popescu: they're... not jets.

22:58:23 benkay: mircea_popescu: http://imgur.com/JuokHV6

22:58:23 mircea_popescu: and so your goal is quite visible, isn't it.

22:58:27 mircea_popescu: s/goal/flag

22:58:34 mikaeldice: True

22:58:48 mircea_popescu: benkay not bad!

22:59:35 benkay: lol now she's complaining about the fact that i stole her beer

23:00:06 benkay: told her 'when dinner's actually done then you can have a beer'

23:00:57 mircea_popescu: you got a 70lb chick in the house that cooks with the use of a hammer and wants beer ?

23:01:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16627 @ 0.00097228 = 16.1661 BTC [+] {2}

23:01:36 *: benkay waits for the punchline

23:02:00 mircea_popescu: :D

23:02:17 benkay: besides, who ever knows what they want.

23:04:06 BingoBoingo: !up mikaeldice

23:04:06 assbot: Voicing mikaeldice for 30 minutes.

23:07:53 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all

23:08:00 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 443.43, vol: 19086.14496026 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 428.0, vol: 7481.73286 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 442.02, vol: 16133.4219149 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 449.0, vol: 14.56566507 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 430.757808, vol: 3683.01370000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 446.18059, vol: 6.12265595 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 444.6492, vol: 112.2489882 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)

23:08:05 BingoBoingo: ;;more

23:08:06 gribble: 439.460971498

23:08:59 BingoBoingo: http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2014/04/28/the_fbi_arrests_new_york_congressman_michael_grimm_for_fraud_perjury.html

23:09:00 ozbot: The FBI arrests New York Congressman Michael Grimm for fraud, perjury.

23:11:26 BingoBoingo: http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/the-moment-a-mississippi-tv-station-evacuated-for-a-tor-1568929551/+barryap

23:11:27 ozbot: The Moment A Mississippi TV Station Evacuated For A Tornado

23:14:26 BingoBoingo: I throw that out, because the storm sirens are engaged.

23:15:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4173 @ 0.00097487 = 4.0681 BTC [+]

23:16:44 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: srs question for you

23:17:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 99 @ 0.00461057 = 0.4564 BTC [+] {2}

23:17:41 thestringpuller: oatmeal raisin or chocolate chip

23:18:00 mircea_popescu: cc.

23:18:08 mircea_popescu: WITH raisins.

23:20:14 benkay: ;;gettrust assbot ericmuyser

23:20:14 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user ericmuyser: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=ericmuyser | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=ericmuyser | Rated since: Mon Jul 1 01:35:49 2013

23:20:31 benkay: !up ericmuyser

23:20:31 assbot: Voicing ericmuyser for 30 minutes.

23:20:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 3 @ 0.14 = 0.42 BTC

23:37:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10140 @ 0.00096981 = 9.8339 BTC [-]

23:39:58 jurov: !up mikaeldice

23:39:58 assbot: Voicing mikaeldice for 30 minutes.

23:40:20 moiety: white chocolate chip and cashew nut cookies ftw

23:40:35 pankkake: ew

23:40:57 fluffypony: here is a present for hipsters

23:40:58 fluffypony: http://blog.spagni.net/posts/2014-04-29/

23:41:00 moiety: lub lub lub

23:41:03 fluffypony: and with that I go sleep

23:41:08 asciilifeform: 'congressman can also have problems.'

23:42:26 pankkake: nice

23:45:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17860 @ 0.00096934 = 17.3124 BTC [-]

23:46:30 moiety: omg look what i just saw!! Here he is again! http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/files/2012/12/baby-turtle-eats-strawberry1.jpg

23:49:34 asciilifeform: grimm is a textbook case of 'can also have problems.'

23:50:11 asciilifeform: we are, of course, unlikely to learn what it was he refused to play ball with. because people having problems can also have problems.

23:52:38 thestringpuller: that's pretty deep

23:52:43 BingoBoingo: problems beget further problems

23:52:47 thestringpuller: "because people having problems can also have problems"

23:56:11 kakobrekla: >>The Mcdonalds of webcam based adult entertainment is my goal.. And I will keep working at it until I achieve it!

23:57:36 benkay: kakobrekla: whassat?

23:57:47 kakobrekla: forum

23:58:17 mikaeldice: I wonder why he needs a whole franchise when a single site would be sufficient..

23:59:33 mikaeldice: I could see a bitcoin casino with guest webcam models doing well