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00:00:39 mircea_popescu: log daybreak!

00:01:27 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Makes sense

00:04:28 BingoBoingo: !up tokyopotato

00:04:37 BingoBoingo: tokyopotato: Consider a bouncer yet?

00:05:10 tokyopotato: hmm

00:05:21 tokyopotato: good idea

00:05:27 tokyopotato: didn't consider a need

00:05:36 tokyopotato: but now that im on IRC a lot...

00:13:24 asciilifeform: meanwhile:

00:13:25 asciilifeform: https://www.privacyinternational.org/blog/what-does-gchq-know-about-our-devices-that-we-dont

00:13:25 assbot: What does GCHQ know about our devices that we don't? | Privacy International

00:14:23 penguirker: New blog post: http://bitcoinassetsreception.wordpress.com/2014/05/28/contact-summary-18-25-may/

00:22:24 asciilifeform: in yet other news, a document attributed to the u.s. fellow who most recently 'went postal',

00:22:30 asciilifeform: http://cryptome.org/2014/05/elliot-rodger.pdf

00:22:46 asciilifeform: very reminiscent of the piece quoted in http://fraudsters.com/2014/the-all-american-asshole-in-his-own-words-with-my-own-notes

00:22:49 assbot: The all-American asshole, in his own words, with my own notes pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

00:23:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.48000848 BTC [-]

00:25:30 asciilifeform: (can't say if genuine, but worth reading if only for the part where he describes devoting his life to... winning lottery.)

00:27:00 tokyopotato: lol asciilifeform

00:27:09 punkman: asciilifeform: kinda read the whole thing, was extremely repetitive

00:27:22 tokyopotato: i skimmed it

00:28:03 asciilifeform: not exactly masterpiece of english literature

00:28:03 tokyopotato: pretty sad, i mean lots of sad things happen, but what the hell, he basically committed a hate-crime against people who appeared to have better lives than him

00:28:21 tokyopotato: ugh

00:28:30 tokyopotato: spent many a nights partying in Isla Vista

00:29:26 BingoBoingo: I think the Rogers kid committed what is the ultimate sin in this channel, violence against his perceived and actual betters.

00:29:32 asciilifeform: committed a hate-crime against people who appeared to have better lives << funny how when you get enough bozos together and do the very same thing, it gets called 'revolution' and suddenly respectable.

00:29:53 mike_c: who remembers this much about their childhood?

00:30:06 punkman: he kept a diary

00:30:24 asciilifeform: mike_c: who remembers this much about their childhood << plenty of people. i do.

00:30:45 mike_c: hm. interesting. perhaps mine is repressed.

00:30:59 punkman: what about his ideal sexless world where everyone can be equal

00:31:01 tokyopotato: good point asciilifeform

00:31:33 tokyopotato: also good point BingoBoingo

00:32:58 asciilifeform: the weird thing is that they always stick to small arms.

00:34:06 Mats_cd03: punkman: 'diary' is emasculating, i prefer journal

00:34:12 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: What amazes me is how as time goes on the shootem up derps become less effective. Few have surpased the Bell tower guy

00:34:12 tokyopotato: unless they got Uncle Sam to help 'em out

00:34:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.48002385 BTC [+]

00:34:36 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: that one knew how to... aim.

00:34:47 asciilifeform: !up tokyopotato

00:34:53 tokyopotato: danke

00:35:00 Mats_cd03: what surprises me is how shitty all of these kids are at massacres

00:35:38 asciilifeform: Mats_cd03: afaik, the record of 'Happy Land' fire (87) remains unbroken.

00:35:46 asciilifeform: murder weapon: bottle of petrol.

00:36:28 Mats_cd03: (feds incoming) a determined shooter could easily stop on a highway overpass, unload on public place x, drive away and police up the brass later

00:36:54 tokyopotato: of course... but you have to consider motive

00:37:02 Mats_cd03: but i guess if you want to murder people, up close is preferred

00:37:08 BingoBoingo: Mats_cd03: Catching the brass as it is ejected isn't too hard either.

00:37:12 tokyopotato: most of these psychos want to get caught

00:37:17 tokyopotato: because they want to die

00:37:45 tokyopotato: they throw a temper tantrum with guns in their hands

00:37:57 tokyopotato: waaaaaaa

00:38:14 Mats_cd03: you can buy things that do, but they alter the weight of the weapon

00:38:14 asciilifeform: even the several folks who drove trucks into a crowd, generally got considerably better results than the ones with small arms.

00:38:27 punkman: as far as rampages go, the bulldozer guy was pretty cool https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZbG9i1oGPA

00:38:27 assbot: Killdozer Helicopter News Footage - YouTube

00:38:38 asciilifeform: killdozer fellow, afaik, killed no one.

00:39:06 BingoBoingo: Killdozer wins on the humanitarian angle

00:39:08 punkman: points for time. and style

00:39:14 Mats_cd03: is there a better protocol spec than the one on bitcoin.it

00:39:34 BingoBoingo: Mats_cd03: You can compare bitcoind and btcd source

00:39:50 tokyopotato: tank guy killed a few i think https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnUoUKEIGoo

00:39:50 assbot: Stolen tank rampage - YouTube

00:40:10 BingoBoingo: bbtcd seems to be at the point where it is safe for mining off of

00:40:29 Mats_cd03: is there a document somewhere... i dont want to read more code

00:40:59 BingoBoingo: Not really. The power rangers fight documentation like the actual power rangers fought lord Zed

00:41:19 BingoBoingo: (Even though he was defeated in Pulp Fiction)

00:42:14 asciilifeform: at some point, we'll get the situation described in 1968 book 'stand on zanzibar' (j. brunner) where 'muckers' (amock) become a daily event, and people simply get used to it, in just the same way people accept traffic deaths as a 'cost of doing business.'

00:43:21 BingoBoingo: Eh, It's pretty much normalized in North St Louis.

00:43:23 asciilifeform: http://www.pdfarchive.info/pdf/B/Br/Brunner_John_-_Stand_on_Zanzibar.pdf

00:45:19 Mats_cd03: i agree these killing sprees are going to become more frequent

00:46:05 Mats_cd03: and it won't be broken rich children doing it

00:46:10 BingoBoingo: And the response to each one gets progressively more muted.

00:46:27 BingoBoingo: Rogers was by most 'Murican definitions a spoiled rich kid

00:46:51 Mats_cd03: its an impossible problem: there are just too many guns in north america

00:47:26 BingoBoingo: Mats_cd03: Or there are roughly enough.

00:47:41 asciilifeform: Mats_cd03: i'd rather be in a room with the small arms postal folk than with the 'happy land' arsonist.

00:48:33 Mats_cd03: either would be ok with me, as long as i had a beretta

00:48:41 asciilifeform: Mats_cd03: if the idiots didn't (for whatever reason, known only to them) stick to small arms, with which (for some likewise unknown reason) they have no proficiency, they could actually do some real damage.

00:48:50 BingoBoingo: I imagine from a geopolitical point of view a lower North American gun ownership rate would have forced the Joint Stike fighter program to produce jets capable of fighting and striking

00:49:03 Mats_cd03: and this is why its going to get worse

00:49:44 Mats_cd03: the clever ones, like the clown of aurora infamy, or the mildly retarded but creative tsaernev brothers

00:50:16 asciilifeform: industrial civilization as we have it (esp. the u.s. variety) is fragile enough, one needn't make use of futuristic weapons to turn 'business as usual' into a nostalgic fantasy.

00:51:39 Mats_cd03: dudes on bikes with knives seems effective in .cn

00:51:42 BingoBoingo: I imagine the actual extortion scenario by America's creditors to extract repayment will involve measures other than on the ground occupation. Each late payment has a mid sized city get the dresden treatment.

00:52:35 BingoBoingo: Mats_cd03: Andrenaline fueled retard strength makes knives more dangerous. They make firearms in the untrained hands less accurate.

00:53:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.019227 = 0.173 BTC [+] {3}

00:54:28 BingoBoingo: Product niches I'm suprised aren't filled: .45 acp carbine

00:55:39 BingoBoingo: Would make a spectacular deer and varmint solution

00:55:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.04954094 = 0.2477 BTC [-]

00:56:37 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: afaik there's plenty

00:56:38 BingoBoingo: Subsonic so in places like the UK a hearing friendly bolt action variant could wind up in Price Philip's hands

00:56:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.030238 = 0.1512 BTC [-] {3}

00:56:58 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: beretta 'cx4' etc

00:57:38 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Oh, normally I see the newer (not lever stuff) centering around 9mm and .40

00:58:10 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: in usa, pretty much every kind of small arms that makes logical sense (and a good number which don't) - exist.

01:00:40 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: For the most part, but some are diappointingly uncommon. (Bull barrel 9mm target pistols, .22 WMR semiautomatic rifles [coyotes and fat groundhogs], sub .22 caliber shotguns [spiders]

01:00:52 asciilifeform: spiders!

01:01:02 asciilifeform: what kind of spider needs to be shot?

01:01:13 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: You ever been to Missouri?

01:01:20 asciilifeform: or is this a peculiarly difficult sort of target practice

01:01:33 BingoBoingo: Very difficult target

01:01:56 asciilifeform: turns out 'shoot fly with a cannon' isn't merely a rhetorical device.

01:02:17 BingoBoingo: (Very fast spiders with painful though not very dangerous bite)

01:02:27 Mats_cd03: uh... the recluse?

01:02:49 BingoBoingo: No, reculse is slow and they bite you when you don't see them.

01:03:05 BingoBoingo: I'm thinking wolf spiders and some of the rock scorpions

01:03:18 asciilifeform: one generally finds spiders in enclosed spaces one wouldn't want to perforate

01:03:59 BingoBoingo: Low velocity rounds

01:04:24 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: now i'm picturing your house looking like sherlock holmes's bedroom

01:04:25 BingoBoingo: I'm thinking .08 caliber ~300 fps

01:04:43 BingoBoingo: #36 bugshot

01:04:54 asciilifeform: http://camendesign.com/photo/sherlock_holmes/DSC00102.jpg

01:05:13 asciilifeform: !up tokyopotato

01:05:27 BingoBoingo: That right there is some art asciilifeform

01:05:43 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: thank conan doyle, not me

01:06:51 BingoBoingo: But seriously my thinking is air pellets are to large and penetrating in any sufficiently accurate arm for the purpose. Why not take the shotgun concept still smaller.

01:07:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0975 = 0.975 BTC [+]

01:07:15 tokyopotato: i'd use a firearm on a tarantula for sure

01:07:31 asciilifeform: a load of salt would probably suffice for spider.

01:08:25 BingoBoingo: ATM I have to settle for putting cigarettes out on them.

01:08:34 *: asciilifeform recalls traditional laser bug zapper

01:09:02 BingoBoingo: Table salt could work for the current ones in Illinois, the hardier Missouri spiders might require something more though.

01:11:56 asciilifeform: http://mods-n-hacks.wonderhowto.com/how-to/mod-your-nes-duck-hunt-zapper-into-real-life-laser-gun-0139362

01:11:58 assbot: Mod Your NES Duck Hunt Zapper into a Real-Life Laser Gun « Hacks, Mods & Circuitry

01:11:59 asciilifeform: ^ modern variant

01:12:18 asciilifeform: http://www.northstreetlabs.org/Zapper.html

01:12:19 assbot: North Street Labs

01:14:37 BingoBoingo: I hate to think what my toy collection might look like if Plasmodium were a concern with the local mosquitoes this century

01:15:20 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: afaik, the lowly propane-powered mosquito oven is still the champ.

01:15:57 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It's even better if you can talk your neighbor into hosting the oven you purchased.

01:17:19 BingoBoingo: I imagine I guess as long it wasn't the falcipram subtype I might be able to get away with just drinking gin and actual tonic water over the summer.

01:17:31 asciilifeform: (for those who live where there is no mosquito: state of the art is a kind of gas lantern, where the outer mantle is heated around 37C, with a level of CO2 exhaust similar to human exhalation. inner mantle roasts the mosquito.)

01:18:01 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The good ones approximate bovine or elephantine exhalation.

01:18:49 asciilifeform: now that i live in a place with actual 'grounds', i might have to invest in said lantern.

01:19:41 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Is "west nile" a concern in your parts?

01:19:49 asciilifeform: theoretically.

01:20:29 BingoBoingo: Supposedly it is an actual perenial concern here now.

01:20:56 BingoBoingo: Shows up in nearly every bird sampled in this locality.

01:21:08 asciilifeform: re: mosquito:

01:21:09 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-10-2013#357924

01:21:09 assbot: #bitcoin-assets log

01:21:09 BingoBoingo: Have yet to hear of a doctor testing for it ina person though

01:22:14 BingoBoingo: realzies: that conversation, ketamine seems to slowly be inching closer to psych approvals

01:23:01 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: tricky thing - very narrow therapeutic window.

01:23:22 asciilifeform: (difference between a useful dose and lethal)

01:23:51 BingoBoingo: I imagine if approval happens it will be a similar situation to colchicine for gout, cheap drug suddenly goes expensive

01:24:00 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It isn't too narrow.

01:24:18 BingoBoingo: Also it isn't too hard to do right recreationally.

01:25:13 asciilifeform: many recreational chemistry aficionados have a sort of psychological block when it comes to self-injecting

01:25:20 BingoBoingo: It's metabolized by CYP3A4 so there aren't going to be big surprises liek there are with the cough syrups that take CYP2D6

01:25:47 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I've not heard of that done with Ketamine. I've only known of recreational insulfation.

01:25:58 asciilifeform: where i worked, they had to pay people good money to take it.

01:26:11 asciilifeform: so, i imagine it is an 'acquired taste.'

01:26:51 BingoBoingo: From what I understand the supply for the recreational market is dehydrated vetrinary injection solutions.

01:27:38 asciilifeform: afaik it is readily available to veterenary folks working with large beasts - horse, etc

01:27:51 BingoBoingo: Then insulfated inulfated in small amounts due to a mystery over how much is ketamine and how much Nacl, until desired effect achieved

01:28:15 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It is also used as a human anesthetic in the right surgical contexts

01:28:39 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: in usa?

01:28:46 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Of course.

01:28:56 asciilifeform: when?

01:29:05 BingoBoingo: When the patient has to be conscious

01:29:54 BingoBoingo: It is an interesting analgesic like that.

01:29:57 asciilifeform: epileptic craniotomy ?

01:30:47 BingoBoingo: And other open head surgeries. Also peripheral stuff after trauma when it is unsure if the brain can take general anesthesia or might require its own surgery.

01:32:09 BingoBoingo: Then there's the oral trials at many university hospitals of ketamine is various oral extended release devices for psych issues ranging from Major depression to PTSD to subtypes of schizophrenia

01:33:30 BingoBoingo: (When I operated buttons as a "TA" in distance pharmacy school lectures ketamine was the non-propofol anesthetic with the longest presentation)

01:35:38 BingoBoingo: NMDA is a receptor that gets a lot of wondering about and very little certainty of any "exact" role

01:35:42 BingoBoingo: !up tokyopotato

01:35:47 BingoBoingo: !up pigeons

01:36:13 BingoBoingo: And I mean... Ketamine is only schedule III

01:36:35 tokyopotato: Starting to love this channel

01:37:02 tokyopotato: Thx benkay for the invite

01:37:16 BingoBoingo: tokyopotato: You have to understand. This is less a channel about bitcoin and more a channel for people who are bitcoin.

01:37:47 tokyopotato: rgr that

01:38:49 BingoBoingo: tokyopotato: In that way the conversation can go wildly from the subject of bitcoin or subject that might be connected to bitcoin.

01:38:59 BingoBoingo: !up los_pantalones

01:40:48 BingoBoingo: los_pantalones: Nice low IP address there. I salute you.

01:43:39 BingoBoingo: !up cedivad

01:44:06 BingoBoingo: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/05/prosecutors-ex-lulzsec-hacker-sabu-helped-authorities-stop-300-cyberattacks/

01:44:07 assbot: Ex-LulzSec hacker Sabu sentenced to time served after disrupting 300 attacks | Ars Technica

01:45:44 BingoBoingo: You know what would be really interesting, Bitbets with outer bounds constrained by factors other than time.

01:47:00 BingoBoingo: I think betting on the timeline for a Loper machine vs 150k BTC would be a mroe interesting bet than pinning the outcome on the date.

01:47:08 BingoBoingo: Then again BTC price signals suck

01:47:51 BingoBoingo: http://lemire.me/blog/archives/2014/05/23/you-shouldnt-use-a-spreadsheet-for-important-work-i-mean-it/

01:47:52 assbot: You shouldnt use a spreadsheet for important work (I mean it)

01:47:58 BingoBoingo: !up Evolyn

01:51:24 Evolyn: i got voice! yay! what to do with voice now? ^.-

01:55:28 BingoBoingo: Evolyn: You talk.

01:55:52 BingoBoingo: Evolyn: If it lapses you can pm people in assbot's L1 trust for voice

01:58:16 BingoBoingo: !up Vexual

01:58:29 Evolyn: why is this channel moderated anyway? some time ago it wasn't

01:59:31 BingoBoingo: Evolyn: It just happened.

01:59:56 BingoBoingo: Evolyn: I imagine it happened more because it could than it had to, though some worrying things happened.

02:00:04 BingoBoingo: ;;gettrust assbot Evolyn

02:00:05 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Evolyn: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Evolyn | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Evolyn | Rated since: never

02:00:15 BingoBoingo: Evolyn: What do you do?

02:00:41 BingoBoingo: !up Evolyn

02:01:23 Evolyn: most time just listening, sometimes there are usefull informations :)

02:02:04 BingoBoingo: Evolyn: Cool, do you try doing anything with your coins or do you just hold and watch the weather?

02:04:13 BingoBoingo: !up kill-9all

02:04:48 BingoBoingo: !up kill-9all

02:04:58 Evolyn: i try to increase my coins with several assets, more or less successfully :x

02:05:06 BingoBoingo: Evolyn: Cool.

02:05:25 BingoBoingo: Evolyn: Do you play altcoins, Havelock, Mpex, or something else.

02:05:45 BingoBoingo: Or is it something lucrative you'd prefer to keep quiet

02:06:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 30 @ 0.005 = 0.15 BTC [-] {2}

02:06:16 Vexual: !facts

02:06:59 Evolyn: no altcoins, at the moment my focus is on asicminer

02:07:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.48000636 BTC [-]

02:07:24 Vexual: u gettin paid tommorrow

02:07:36 Vexual: bigtime

02:07:59 Evolyn: yes, i'm very curious about the share value, will it remain the current level or explode?

02:08:08 mike_c: big div coming?

02:08:34 Vexual: i dunno, i expect it'll pay a few atc at least

02:09:24 Vexual: or the equivalent therof

02:09:33 mike_c: %t

02:09:39 atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 160 Ask: 200 Last Price: 163 24h-Vol: 0k High: N/A Low: N/A VWAP: N/A

02:10:27 BingoBoingo: %book

02:10:29 atcbot: 3k@256 2k@220 40k@200 | 15k@160 10k@155 53k@152

02:11:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.019228 = 0.1731 BTC [+]

02:11:39 BingoBoingo: Looks like atc is swinging down for a wile

02:11:46 Vexual: it must be make or break time for them

02:11:51 BingoBoingo: Nah

02:11:52 Vexual: asicminer

02:12:09 BingoBoingo: It will persist. Asicminer though is prolly dying in BTC terms

02:12:15 Vexual: %diff

02:12:18 atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 455357.13 Est. Next Diff: 156844.83 in 242 blocks (#32256) Est. % Change: -65.56

02:12:21 BingoBoingo: Both revenue wise and capitalization wise

02:14:00 Vexual: what is it valued somewhere around the order of mpex?

02:14:46 Vexual: somewhere up in the ether of capable bc comapnies

02:16:25 BingoBoingo: Vexual: Asicminer's fallen quite a bit from where it was.

02:16:39 Vexual: yes

02:16:48 BingoBoingo: I doubt it can touch MPEx level market cap

02:17:43 BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/joewalnes/status/471109567800434688

02:17:45 assbot: The latest trend in web-development: http://t.co/KayCFmSbBt

02:18:01 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: I think betting on the timeline for a Loper machine vs... << dammit i feel like the planet's slowest race horse now

02:18:14 asciilifeform: (as if the cardano bets weren't enough)

02:19:14 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It's alright. You are still on a better track than my Dublin Core Union catalog I proposed of everything I know of.

02:19:53 asciilifeform: Dublin Core Union ?

02:20:28 BingoBoingo: Well, it would be a Union Catalog (library thing) done in Dublin Core (the thing that ought to replace Marc)

02:20:39 BingoBoingo: Was going to try Koha

02:21:01 BingoBoingo: Encounter potential goxisms and got distracted by BTC.

02:21:24 BingoBoingo: I might pick a framework in the next 4 decades

02:22:39 BingoBoingo: Trying to do a semantic catalog so every thing is probably going to have to go LISP, but a machine for that is lacking since a 68040 can run circles around a Symbolics.

02:22:47 BingoBoingo: SO the project is a giant waiting game.

02:23:17 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: tried the emulated bolix ?

02:23:37 BingoBoingo: (I may or may not have commented on the Loper Blog well before my involvement in BTC) I drink too much to remember for sure, but MP's link wasn't my first exposure to it.

02:24:08 asciilifeform: there's an x64 emu

02:24:17 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Haven't tried the emulated Genera on Alpha thing I've seen

02:24:34 BingoBoingo: Or the Genera on x64 playing alpha

02:25:10 asciilifeform: it's not an alpha emu. kalman reti (if i recall) actually ported the alpha g-machine emu to x64

02:25:17 BingoBoingo: Ah

02:25:51 BingoBoingo: I do have to say though that BTC has to have been the most fortuitous thing that could have happened to loper

02:26:10 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: how's that

02:26:21 Vexual: 68040 is a powerpc?

02:26:40 asciilifeform: Vexual: nope

02:26:46 BingoBoingo: SKipping production FPGA's and going to a foundry after testin VHDL, if miners can do it on the cheap...

02:26:55 BingoBoingo: Vexual: 68040 is motorola

02:27:11 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: this was SOP long before the miners

02:27:13 BingoBoingo: Vexual: From the last great Apple computers

02:27:19 Vexual: ug my morale when im nothing without google

02:27:44 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Sure, but knowing just how little BFL et al can pay for chips and get their scam on...

02:28:23 BingoBoingo: There is a lot more data now on small chip runs on cutting edge processes than there may have been since i486

02:28:24 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: you probably know that miners are financed via their own very peculiar scheme.

02:28:32 BingoBoingo: !up Vexual

02:28:47 asciilifeform: likewise, small chip runs were SOP (engineering students) for ages.

02:28:51 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Sure, but someone has to pay for Josh Zerlan's house on eht egreen

02:29:24 asciilifeform: chip fab still costs $maxint.

02:29:26 BingoBoingo: And the Hashfast spic's entire recovery from fire

02:29:55 asciilifeform: in 2010 i somehow imagined the mining thing would spur experiments in kitchen cuprous oxide fabs, other exotica, etc. but no dice.

02:29:55 BingoBoingo: Well, 2 digit BTC sums soon enough will have to be float

02:30:55 BingoBoingo: I just have to say I am so disappointed in 2010 me for not buying blocks of 10,000 BTC from Sirius and New Liberty

02:31:09 asciilifeform: apparently, chumpatronics are more appealing than semiconductor research in jungle conditions. whod'avethunkit.

02:31:37 BingoBoingo: Then again 2010 was they year I restructured my biocumputer with copious amounts of Lithium

02:31:42 BingoBoingo: !up Evolyn

02:33:42 BingoBoingo: Doctorow is the worst kind of hack http://www.tor.com/blogs/2014/05/you-are-not-a-digital-native-privacy-in-the-age-of-the-internet

02:33:43 assbot: You Are Not a Digital Native: Privacy in the Age of the Internet | Tor.com

02:33:52 asciilifeform: (afaik miner folks are entirely innocent of any kind of innovation in silicon fab, only chumpatronics)

02:34:16 Evolyn: where do i learn more about how to auth with gribble and so on?

02:34:37 Vexual: u tink someone clever will make a sha256 chip to end the game ascii?

02:34:54 BingoBoingo: Evolyn: There are guides online at http://bitcoin-otc.com/

02:34:54 assbot: #bitcoin-otc

02:34:56 asciilifeform: Vexual is posting through a time warp ?

02:35:05 Evolyn: thanks

02:35:08 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Always

02:35:34 BingoBoingo: Evolyn: If you need coaching most anyone here can be had by the hour

02:36:03 BingoBoingo: Evolyn: If you are the gui sort of person this guide works well http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/pgpgpg-guide/

02:36:05 assbot: PGP/GPG Guide | Bingo Blog

02:36:25 Vexual: yeah but thats not the point, i just don't understand \

02:36:26 BingoBoingo: Vexual always types through a warp.

02:36:42 Vexual: i know mining has changed

02:36:45 BingoBoingo: Sometime it is through time, othertimes through space

02:36:55 Vexual: price once drove mining

02:37:26 Vexual: now friedcat has to buy btc to pay dividends and the whole dollar exchange moves like the moon is about to hit

02:37:53 Vexual: id like to know what the third wave will look like

02:38:11 BingoBoingo: Vexual: I image mining will stay similar for some time.

02:38:24 BingoBoingo: Just staying a generation or two behind intel

02:38:31 Vexual: surely its still 90% hobbyists

02:38:43 BingoBoingo: Nah,

02:38:50 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: american bureaucrats recently decided that a btc-usd converter that simply rents out mining capacity doesn't count as 'exchange'

02:39:06 asciilifeform: so this is likely to attract chumpatronic engineers like shit/flies

02:39:12 asciilifeform: this'll be 'next wave'

02:39:17 asciilifeform: ye read it here phurst

02:39:18 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Of course because BTC is property. Miner is like an Iland builder

02:39:18 asciilifeform: (tm)

02:39:32 Vexual: isnt that whats happening now?

02:39:37 BingoBoingo: Buy miner create your own aleutian

02:40:09 Vexual: how much does one need to solo atc?

02:40:36 BingoBoingo: Vexual: If you get a used 400ghs Bitfury you could do swell

02:40:49 asciilifeform: naive engineer / worker bee might imagine that 'next wave' is gallium arsenide, eldrich optical cpu, etc. - but nope.

02:41:21 asciilifeform: 100% of the ingenuity in mining seems to concern the extraction of chumpatronium from existing natural reserves.

02:41:22 BingoBoingo: Electrons remain more tangible than photons

02:42:05 BingoBoingo: Also it has been about 24 hours, any other thoughs on the blog's new linen background?

02:42:24 asciilifeform: sorta how you can get usable gasoline via uranium carbide + h2o. but this is -EV.

02:43:21 asciilifeform: why diddle caustics in a dark basement, breathe unspeakable gasses, when you can scamzor.

02:43:36 asciilifeform: that seems to be the alpha and omega of mining as a field.

02:44:11 thestringpuller: scamzor how? fake hashes?

02:44:24 thestringpuller: aka labcoin?

02:44:26 asciilifeform: thestringpuller: look into how every asic run to date was paid for.

02:44:31 BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Promises of unrealistic returns

02:44:45 Apocalyptic: BingoBoingo, it's definitely more readable

02:45:05 thestringpuller: ASIC's still exist tho, just piss poor managed...

02:45:16 asciilifeform: 1) collect usd, coin, whatever from chumps 2) bake chips 3) mine for six months, boost difficulty 4) profit !!11! 5) hand over now-marginally-useless hardware to idiots

02:45:19 thestringpuller: it is -EV like any commodity...

02:45:41 thestringpuller: didnt mpoepr point that out in relation to t

02:45:59 thestringpuller: capital investment in textiles in bershire hathaways early days?

02:46:15 asciilifeform: lotto tickets are also -ev, but there is no shortage of buyers.

02:46:17 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: My favorite part is how Avalon, first ASIC manufacterer pioneered this on batch one and got burned when other people caught on

02:46:44 thestringpuller: Avalon had no management. just a chinese guy in a basement...

02:47:07 asciilifeform: afaik, every existing miner asic vendor started this way

02:47:41 thestringpuller: thats kinda sad. mining is powered by scamming

02:47:54 asciilifeform: this is not even touching the subject of 'dark matter'

02:48:21 thestringpuller: does that make it a house of cards? one day the difficilty plummets when the cards fall?

02:48:29 asciilifeform: i.e. hashing power of non-public asic projects, disguised as whatever you want (as 10,000 gpu folks, say) via means familiar to any spammer.

02:48:44 BingoBoingo: ASICminer started differently hence the 0.1BTC to 6 BTC share price, but the introduction of efficient markets knocked them down.

02:49:27 thestringpuller: all mining bonds have depreciating returns over time..

02:50:08 asciilifeform: the most profitable means of obtaining mining hardware remains: to sneak hashing core onto a die that is being fabbed anyway, for some unrelated purpose.

02:50:30 asciilifeform: that there is no public proof of this taking place does not change the fact.

02:50:31 thestringpuller: or a botnet...

02:50:53 asciilifeform: thestringpuller: calculate the size of botnet needed to equal even an obsolete asic.

02:51:20 thestringpuller: hmm

02:51:34 thestringpuller: lets say a normal pc = 120kh

02:51:43 thestringpuller: ;;genrate .12

02:51:49 gribble: The expected generation output, at 0.12 Mhps, given difficulty of 10455720138.5, is 5.77184365805e-09 BTC per day and 2.40493485752e-10 BTC per hour.

02:52:47 thestringpuller: ;;calc 20000 / .12

02:52:47 gribble: 166666.666667

02:52:56 thestringpuller: yeaaaa....

02:52:59 BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: My shitty AMD E350 gets about 3.5 MH/s on cpu alone

02:53:07 thestringpuller: ;;calc 20000 / .12

02:53:08 gribble: 166666.666667

02:53:15 thestringpuller: ;;calc 20000 / 3.5

02:53:15 gribble: 5714.28571429

02:53:32 thestringpuller: thats actually an average sized botnet tho

02:53:47 BingoBoingo: 128 kh/s is about an original Intel atom on 2009 software

02:54:06 BingoBoingo: before sha-256 optimizations

02:54:32 thestringpuller: the added advantage of a botnet is you dont pay for electricity...you are stealing it

02:55:18 BingoBoingo: Well, for that any Keiser endorsed coin is the new mo

02:57:06 BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/471485238250442752

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02:59:06 BingoBoingo: Assbot seems to show the text of the wrong tweet in conversation

02:59:09 BingoBoingo: !up Vexual

02:59:22 Vexual: tuy

02:59:34 BingoBoingo: I was hoping to display "@Five9 Or you could die in a fire. The lipids in your body would ensure a #cloud of smoke."

02:59:57 BingoBoingo: Apocalyptic: Thank you for the feedback

03:01:39 thestringpuller: oh BingoBoingo you make me yearn for a day when we can drink beer and watch the Cardinals

03:01:56 Vexual: thestringpuller: the added advantage of a botnet is you dont pay for electricity...you are stealing it << the world is a closed system, look past 6.75bc blocks

03:01:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.00430422 = 0.8608 BTC [-] {6}

03:02:36 BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Well, it has been 36 hours now since te last dose of antibiotics and there is a bit of itch, but nothing seeming serious.

03:03:06 BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: If you want to come to Busch III what teams on the schedule seem interesting?

03:03:32 BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/Ackerman1120/status/471486130152435712

03:03:33 assbot: First ever complete game for Lance Lynn. At any professional level. Good for him. /hashtag/stlcards?src=hash

03:03:59 BingoBoingo: If anyone here has Lance Lynn on a fantasy baseball team... Now might be a good time to dump or trade him.

03:04:17 thestringpuller: ~_~

03:04:22 BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/LangoschMLB/status/471486885794021378

03:04:23 assbot: Lance Lynn with his first career shutout. /hashtag/STLCards?src=hash now with an NL-most nine this yr. Also first team in Majors to have three 6-gm winners.

03:04:51 BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Well are you more interesting in a competitive game or a home town win?

03:05:06 thestringpuller: hmm. that's a really good point...

03:05:12 thestringpuller: they are both fun to watch

03:05:19 thestringpuller: a shutout can be boring sometimes

03:05:23 BingoBoingo: If there is one thing Matheney knows other than hating porn, he never skips rotation spots

03:05:27 Vexual: game every time

03:06:09 BingoBoingo: So picking a date for a Waino or Wacha game would be awfully feasible through the end of the regular season

03:10:09 BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: So apparently in late July the Rays come to StL. Could be some interesting games if Odorizzi is pitching.

03:10:45 thestringpuller: hmm sounds like it's meant to be

03:11:45 BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: I'll try to do some rotation math. The day after the last Rays game is probably the Combine demolition derby in my home town, but I dunno if you can take that much white trash.

03:12:21 BingoBoingo: Odorizzi is the one thing my Highschool did right (a few years after I graduated there)

03:13:02 BingoBoingo: Dude broke an aluminum bat with a pitch sometime during the state playoffs.

03:13:20 BingoBoingo: Shame he isn't with Oakland

03:15:35 BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: So doing my sloppy math July 22nd should be a Waino start and the 23rd should be a Wacha start.

03:16:33 BingoBoingo: (Math consisted of moving the mouse from day to day on the calendar and saying (Waino, Wacha... Lynn, Miller, Garcia...) in rhythm

03:16:40 BingoBoingo: )

03:17:31 BingoBoingo: Of course the weekend after the Rays series the Cardinals play the Cubs.

03:19:09 BingoBoingo: Of course with the current rotation that lines up as Lynn, Miller, Garcia for Friday, Saturday and Sunday respectively.

03:19:35 thestringpuller: damn you're good at calculating bullpen rotation...

03:20:02 BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: It isn't me. It's that Matheney never skips rotation spots.

03:20:07 thestringpuller: I can only assume when Kimbrel comes out at a Braves game as a closer.

03:20:14 thestringpuller: I see...

03:20:18 BingoBoingo: Even if it means it shitstain liek lions pitches an extra game

03:20:32 thestringpuller: My dad complains about that a lot about the Braves...

03:20:39 BingoBoingo: Yeah

03:20:56 BingoBoingo: It works good when it maximizes everyone's rest

03:21:08 BingoBoingo: Sucks when you have a lance Lynn though

03:22:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 533 @ 0.00422342 = 2.2511 BTC [-] {10}

03:22:55 thestringpuller: i can't believe that guy is my age...

03:23:04 thestringpuller: Damn I feel old *sigh*

03:23:08 thestringpuller: where'd my youth fucking go

03:23:08 BingoBoingo: Honestly of all the Cardinals starters the one who is best to watch is Joe Kelly, but he is on the DL and staying ther until someone else gets injured

03:23:10 thestringpuller: oh yea college

03:23:15 thestringpuller: fucking undergrad...

03:23:18 BingoBoingo: college slays us all

03:23:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 228 @ 0.00415433 = 0.9472 BTC [-] {5}

03:24:06 thestringpuller: wise words

03:24:34 BingoBoingo: If I could pick two years of life to do over it would have been the first run at grad school

03:29:33 thestringpuller: man i don't even know if i have the fortitude to attempt it

03:29:35 thestringpuller: !up vexual

03:30:41 BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Well my first attempt was in philosophy at SIU Carbondale. Second run at a Masters was Mizzou for Libarary science.

03:32:25 BingoBoingo: Second stint I picked up a Master's, first stint I picked up a sense for the hustle

03:33:49 thestringpuller: the hustle is all that matters

03:33:56 thestringpuller: !up Phraust

03:34:20 BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Everyone needs one

03:34:35 thestringpuller: yes they do. it's not what we do, but what we leave behind...

03:35:56 BingoBoingo: That

03:36:07 BingoBoingo: Feels so good to IRC drunk again

03:36:24 thestringpuller: glad you can drink again ;)

03:36:32 thestringpuller: what would a baseball game be without beer

03:37:31 BingoBoingo: Hell

03:37:51 BingoBoingo: Or an exercise in sweating the fantasy team

03:38:56 Vexual: 2dogs!

03:39:04 Vexual: and all them beerzs

03:39:24 BingoBoingo: Hey peterl

03:39:32 BingoBoingo: Been a while

03:39:35 peterl: hi yall

03:39:47 peterl: I lurk and read the logs mostly

03:39:57 BingoBoingo: peterl: In 'Murica?

03:40:09 peterl: yup, Michigan

03:40:23 BingoBoingo: peterl: Cool

03:41:01 BingoBoingo: I wonder if anyone here could actually hold an American Bitcoin conference

03:41:30 dub: why would one want to?

03:41:49 BingoBoingo: dub: Why would N.W.A. rap?

03:41:54 peterl: I've never been to a bitcoin conference, not even sure if I have ever met another bitcoiner.

03:42:45 BingoBoingo: peterl: thestringpuller and I are talking about catching a baseball game. Miguel Cabrera?

03:42:52 thestringpuller: N.W.A rapped cause it was their hustle

03:42:58 BingoBoingo: ^

03:43:04 peterl: Tigers?

03:43:05 thestringpuller: interesting now that Dr. Dre is a billionaire

03:43:12 peterl: I don't know much baseball

03:43:15 thestringpuller: and Jay-Z is still pumping out albums...

03:43:15 BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Dre won that hustle

03:43:29 thestringpuller: yea and he has 2 albums

03:43:33 thestringpuller: i doubt Detox will ever come out

03:43:49 thestringpuller: smart man for someone who clumsily rhymes...

03:44:03 BingoBoingo: peterl: Who has a better batting average; Wainwright or Verlander?

03:44:27 peterl: hmm, I would guess Wainwright, but I honestly have no clue

03:44:27 BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Dre's point was never rhymes, it was selling beats

03:44:39 thestringpuller: ^- no pun intended? ;)

03:44:58 BingoBoingo: peterl: Well Verlander prides himself on his all zeros batting average.

03:45:49 thestringpuller: I think an American bitcoin conference would best be at a baseball game...

03:45:52 thestringpuller: for some reason.

03:45:59 thestringpuller: Or a Jazz concert.

03:46:07 thestringpuller: /club

03:46:20 peterl: ball game and then go out for beer afterward at a nice jazz club

03:47:29 BingoBoingo: I am actually surprisingly sad the Soft TOuch is no longer a place

03:48:00 dub: the only murican buttcoin con -assets is going to is at guantanamo bay

03:48:31 dub: cockmeat sandwiches all round

03:48:37 peterl: I thought Obama promised to close that down during his first election campaign, why is it still a thing?

03:48:51 BingoBoingo: peterl: Cause Nigga lied

03:49:20 BingoBoingo: dub: These things can happen, but for specifics, gpg, subtlety

03:50:26 thestringpuller: peterl: because no one actually knows what Obama does

03:51:01 peterl: hope and change, and hope that the change isn't too harmful

03:55:17 Mats_cd03: because he can't get congress to front the money

03:56:30 thestringpuller: no one even knows what congress does...

03:56:57 thestringpuller: the country is bankrupt and probably some shadow organization is running the show

03:57:04 peterl: you're saying it would cost money to close it down? Wouldn't that save money?

03:57:29 thestringpuller: dunno maybe the US is holding onto UFO's so the powers that be let it run...

03:57:41 *: thestringpuller puts on his tin foil hat

04:07:29 BingoBoingo: !up bgupta

04:07:34 BingoBoingo: !up Vexual

04:07:42 *: Vexual sips

04:07:54 Vexual: ahhhhh

04:08:07 Vexual: zing

04:08:20 Vexual: la chingasa

04:09:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20200 @ 0.00080897 = 16.3412 BTC [-]

04:11:30 BingoBoingo: !up smidge

04:13:21 Vexual: so i guess synthetic yeast will be about as synthetic as phrethrum isn't a mutagen

04:13:44 Vexual: not but kinda and stop asking stupid questions

04:14:09 thestringpuller: i wish mutagens would give super powers

04:14:16 Vexual: and skype is an iternet protocol

04:14:25 BingoBoingo: Vexual: Lots of yeasts suck.

04:14:38 BingoBoingo: And will suck. No human interaction required.

04:14:45 BingoBoingo: See Candidia

04:15:57 BingoBoingo: !up realzies

04:16:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34300 @ 0.0008106 = 27.8036 BTC [+] {2}

04:17:07 Vexual: whatsd the deal with canadia?

04:17:42 BingoBoingo: Vexual: It is part of your normal flora, but once it goes out of control, you are doomed, to either itch or die

04:18:05 Vexual: this is why 'nubbins must change his xl underwear so oft?

04:18:44 BingoBoingo: Vexual: That and Meese

04:19:08 Vexual: mooses

04:24:38 benkay: BingoBoingo: what was the upshot of the bsdcast?

04:26:32 BingoBoingo: benkay: This one not too much for the initiated. THere was question time, but it was mostly a "OpenBSD is this" cast

04:26:48 benkay: i still don't know what OpenBSD is.

04:26:56 rithm: #openbsd

04:27:05 rithm: hashtag it yo

04:27:06 Vexual: its a wiiu without the pretty pictures

04:27:15 benkay: oh ffs give me half a credit, rithm

04:27:24 Vexual: or a ps4

04:27:44 BingoBoingo: benkay: It is the most code correct of the x86-64 unices

04:27:57 rithm: all you gotta do is #yoloswag and then boom double click twitterverse

04:28:09 BingoBoingo: Other than that... It is a better option for that Mac SE/30 than Netbsd

04:32:07 Vexual: what to run on last macbook powerpc?

04:32:42 Vexual: dont say lion

04:33:24 Vexual: lion

04:33:43 Vexual: shit

04:37:41 moiety: i flipping missed it BB, my door went. but you can start it anytime i think

04:38:37 BingoBoingo: moiety: The presentation?

04:38:42 BingoBoingo: !up Vexual

04:38:47 benkay: ;;later tell tokyopotato remind me to tell you how to set yourself up to self-voice sometime

04:38:47 gribble: The operation succeeded.

04:38:48 moiety: yep

04:39:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.47885018 = 0.9577 BTC [-] {2}

04:40:42 benkay: <Mats_cd03> its an impossible problem: there are just too many guns in north america << au contraire, there aren't nearly enough and people are too afraid to use them. until people get it into their heads that self-defense with an equalizer is now a requirement for personal safety, the sprees will continue

04:41:08 BingoBoingo: !up Vexual

04:41:13 Vexual: ta

04:41:18 Vexual: is tokyopotato the gox guy?

04:41:30 benkay: tokyopotato writes for coinjoint

04:41:34 benkay: into pothead alts

04:41:41 benkay: the pothead alt war is somewhat hilarious

04:41:43 Vexual: coinjoint link?

04:41:54 benkay: in the 5-year-olds running into glass doors way

04:42:04 benkay: ;;google coinjoint

04:42:05 gribble: CoinJoint - Cryptocurrency and Altcoin news: http://coinjoint.info/; Dogecoin NASCAR to feature in NASCAR '14 video ... - CoinJoint.info: http://coinjoint.info/dogecoin-nascar-feature-nascar-14-video-game/; About CoinJoint - CoinJoint.info: http://coinjoint.info/about-coinjoint/

04:42:13 benkay: see, it ain't hard Vexual

04:42:31 Vexual: yeah i don't like to annoy gribs too much

04:42:46 benkay: the point is that you could have googled it for it yourself.

04:43:15 BingoBoingo: benkay: thestringpuller and I are imagineering a 'Murican -assets meet. Plan on StL in July?

04:43:44 Vexual: fuck that im having a block party

04:43:50 Vexual: (reward halving)

04:43:54 benkay: is StL any good?

04:44:09 BingoBoingo: benkay: As long as you stay out of North City

04:44:43 benkay: hm yeah.

04:44:49 Vexual: 0 dogecoin cars, helicopter/fastboat trasfers included

04:44:52 benkay: what's the story with accomodations and itinerary?

04:45:02 Vexual: all included for 1 bc

04:45:59 cazalla: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/26o47f/please_report_this_person_to_twitter_they_are/ top kek

04:45:59 assbot: Please report this person to twitter. They are threatening Andreas saying they will kill him. : Bitcoin

04:46:07 BingoBoingo: benkay: So far thestringpuller wants to pick my brain so I'm covered by him. For a good hotel I recommend the fourseasons attached to th elumiere

04:47:46 Vexual: andreas first name?

04:48:31 BingoBoingo: Vexual: I think his last name is Suckadick

04:48:49 benkay: BingoBoingo: in principle i'm interested

04:48:57 Vexual: hmmm cant seem to find that

04:49:26 Vexual: so much misinfo

04:50:49 benkay: so who is this Evolyn ?

04:51:25 BingoBoingo: benkay: ATM we pretty much have potential starting pitchers mapped out and are down to the bottom of JUly for dates

04:51:43 BingoBoingo: Evolyn is a quiet oldster

04:51:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.0975 = 0.78 BTC [+]

04:51:48 BingoBoingo: !up Evolyn

04:52:21 Vexual: moistest cakes on the planet

04:52:33 Vexual: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqSamWrbb5Y

04:52:40 Vexual: atc only

04:54:14 Vexual: was camel flu in the bible?

04:55:00 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9EKqQWPjyo

04:55:01 assbot: Bob Dylan - Things Have Changed - YouTube

04:58:53 Mats_cd03: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/25/us/final-word-on-us-law-isnt-supreme-court-keeps-editing.html

04:58:56 assbot: Log In - The New York Times

04:59:56 BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/471303059159912449

04:59:57 assbot: The chief judge still just has one vote, but it seems symbolically important at least.

05:00:46 BingoBoingo: Just an FYI I may be a bit plastered, I am celebrating good health with a bit of booze

05:00:58 Vexual: salut

05:01:08 BingoBoingo: Thank you Vexual

05:01:34 Vexual: thats not the proper response, but you're most welsome

05:01:56 Vexual: i hope

05:02:17 Mats_cd03: http://www.scotusblog.com/2014/05/opinion-analysis-more-power-to-stop-high-speed-chases

05:02:18 assbot: Opinion analysis: More power to stop high-speed chases : SCOTUSblog

05:06:52 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KaWSOlASWc

05:06:52 assbot: Lou Reed - Walk On The Wild Side (With Lyrics) - YouTube

05:08:29 Mats_cd03: lol

05:09:28 Mats_cd03: didn't expect a song about transgender blowjobs

05:09:41 Vexual: le assets

05:09:44 BingoBoingo: I gave https://twitter.com/mwlauthor the explicit invitation here so if he shows and I am passed out vomitting on myself please show him the proper courtesies.

05:09:46 assbot: Michael W Lucas (mwlauthor) auf Twitter

05:11:53 Vexual: im not sure if asembly web is a joke or not

05:12:38 BingoBoingo: Vexual: Assume it is real until proven otherwise

05:12:45 BingoBoingo: !up Vexual

05:12:57 Vexual: that is my ery method

05:13:03 Vexual: *veryu

05:13:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22100 @ 0.00080839 = 17.8654 BTC [-] {2}

05:14:09 Mats_cd03: droppin like a stone

05:14:17 Vexual: sqls ghotta be a bitch tho

05:14:19 moiety: glad to hear youre feeling better BB

05:14:31 BingoBoingo: I think the web would be much better is SPARC64 assembly killed Javascript

05:14:40 BingoBoingo: moiety: Thanks

05:15:59 Mats_cd03: laughable

05:16:45 BingoBoingo: Mats_cd03: Is it really that laughable when bullshit like javascript.asm is proposed?

05:16:56 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfpRm-p7qlY

05:16:56 assbot: The Jam - Town Called Malice - YouTube

05:17:30 Mats_cd03: programmers can't even write safe code in high level languages

05:18:05 BingoBoingo: Mats_cd03: And thus they need to write for saner architectures

05:18:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.48 BTC [+]

05:18:36 BingoBoingo: The choices as they were in 1975 remain C and LISP

05:19:18 BingoBoingo: Languages can only be so safe. So... fix the underlying arcitecture.

05:20:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 87 @ 0.03751522 = 3.2638 BTC [-] {8}

05:21:03 Mats_cd03: and the world spins on, vulnerable and all

05:22:17 Vexual: tru dat

05:22:39 BingoBoingo: !up Evolyn

05:23:38 BingoBoingo: Mats_cd03: You spent time at Lost in the Woods, I was in CoMo, we both had to deal with spiders of inordinate size

05:23:53 BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/471521830466252800

05:23:54 assbot: /TrueBitcoinGirl Brock is a bonafide Chomo, you didn't "invest" in Usagi's Nyan.A by any chance did you?

05:24:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.48 BTC [+]

05:25:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0975 = 0.2925 BTC [+]

05:25:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 6000 @ 0.0001 = 0.6 BTC [-] {5}

05:26:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2500 @ 0.0001 = 0.25 BTC [-]

05:28:37 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/embed/JvMXVHVr72A so future

05:28:37 assbot: DIE ANTWOORD - PITBULL TERRIER - YouTube

05:34:15 BingoBoingo: !up csshih

05:34:27 Vexual: so crypot

05:34:35 csshih: thank you sir :)

05:34:41 BingoBoingo: csshih: Did I ever tell you you deliver light fast?

05:34:48 Vexual: indeed

05:35:03 Vexual: spivate fibre

05:36:04 csshih: BingoBoingo, reasonably fast :)

05:36:15 *: csshih has been distracted by watch dogs

05:36:28 BingoBoingo: csshih: You were a bit faster than reasonably

05:37:14 csshih: normally they go out same day but there was a weekend oops

05:38:35 BingoBoingo: csshih: Still you beat overstock.bomb by miles

05:39:17 Mats_cd03: basically the same place, de-gentrified by different 18-25y/o populations

05:40:10 Mats_cd03: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeh6jhHLgtg

05:40:11 assbot: Aesop Rock-None Shall Pass - YouTube

05:40:50 Mats_cd03: fargo the tv show is too good. if you haven't watched it, now is the time

05:41:17 BingoBoingo: Mats_cd03: You seen the new Hannibal show?

05:41:34 Mats_cd03: yeah, the finale this season was amazing

05:41:34 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

05:42:00 BingoBoingo: Most amazing is how much less explicitly gay it is while still somehow being gayer

05:42:00 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

05:42:56 Vexual: mats meet sme at the 808 state

05:43:22 csshih: lol thanks BingoBoingo :)

05:43:49 BingoBoingo: csshih: If only you sold old unix workstations

05:43:55 Mats_cd03: i dunno what youre referencing

05:44:00 BingoBoingo: !up Vexual

05:44:14 Vexual: the drum machine on my last track

05:44:27 BingoBoingo: Mats_cd03: The Hannibal Verger Sodomy from the original Red Dragon of course

05:44:50 Vexual: remember when you were 15 and bnb was basass?

05:45:07 BingoBoingo: In the books and movies Hannibal and Mason fucked.

05:45:16 Mats_cd03: o

05:45:25 Vexual: u feelin it?

05:45:51 Vexual: the roland synth came alongside like so muxh scrypt

05:46:15 csshih: BingoBoingo, lol, I have sold server components but they're all modern ;P

05:46:19 Mats_cd03: Vexual: still not tracking, dude.

05:46:30 csshih: have sold at least 5tb of ecc rdimms

05:46:33 Vexual: wait mano, im playing your shit

05:46:36 Mats_cd03: BingoBoingo: oh i haven't read the books. i prefer the tv adaptation

05:46:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.0041 = 0.205 BTC [-]

05:46:56 Mats_cd03: bnb -> bed and breakfast?

05:47:08 Vexual: typo, drum and bass

05:47:23 BingoBoingo: Mats_cd03: The books are close to the films if you go Manhunter, Silence, Hanibal and ignore the origin bullshit

05:47:40 BingoBoingo: csshih: Any sparc or Xserve G5 stuff?

05:47:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 133 @ 0.00401277 = 0.5337 BTC [-] {3}

05:48:07 Vexual: ;;seen thickasthieves

05:48:07 gribble: thickasthieves was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 5 days, 0 hours, 54 minutes, and 11 seconds ago: <ThickAsThieves> that's kinda the question, it's not about the specifics

05:48:29 Vexual: ;;help

05:48:30 gribble: The bot responds when you start a line with the ! character. A good starting point for exploring the bot is the !facts command. You can also visit the bot's website for a list of help topics and documentation: http://gribble.sourceforge.net/

05:48:33 Mats_cd03: i remember pendulum, but i mostly listened to hiphop as an angsty youth

05:48:43 Vexual: ;;2 coins

05:48:43 gribble: Error: "2" is not a valid command.

05:48:58 Vexual: i thought you were gribble fgor a second

05:49:49 Vexual: i i don't really know what im talking about, but ill play this

05:49:58 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jQ_bOP0HfY

05:49:58 assbot: 808 State - Pacific State - YouTube

05:50:00 Mats_cd03: gribble is omniscient

05:50:08 BingoBoingo: http://www.bitcoin-girl.com/bitcoin-the-society/#comment-140

05:50:09 assbot: Bitcoin - the Society | Bitcoin GirlBitcoin Girl

05:50:24 FabianB: !t m S.MG

05:50:24 assbot: [MPEX:S.MG] 1D: 0.0000901 / 0.00009856 / 0.00009939 (335 shares, 0.03 BTC), 7D: 0.0000901 / 0.00009956 / 0.00012399 (22335 shares, 2.22 BTC), 30D: 0.0000901 / 0.00010055 / 0.00013 (25556 shares, 2.57 BTC)

05:50:37 BingoBoingo: !t m f.mpif

05:50:38 assbot: [MPEX:F.MPIF] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00021726 / 0.00021726 / 0.00021726 (2409 shares, 0.52 BTC), 30D: 0.000215 / 0.00021528 / 0.00021726 (1154009 shares, 248.44 BTC)

05:50:40 Vexual: 808 is a time and a place

05:51:11 BingoBoingo: I MUST WONDER HOW CAN MPIF TRADE SO CERTAINLY WHEN NOONE KNOWS HOW I DID!!!

05:51:30 Vexual: hordes expect uy do well

05:52:53 BingoBoingo: Like... This misses the entire point of the Hannibal Lecter lore. Hannibal is, and always was they devil... In the most primal and Italian sense.

05:52:59 BingoBoingo: !up Evolyn

05:53:26 moiety: I've met Brian Cox, I'm unsure if i want to see the tv hannibal

05:54:08 BingoBoingo: moiety: TV hannibal is actually lovely in the aesthetic sense

05:54:18 BingoBoingo: !up napedia

05:54:20 moiety: but is he hannibal though

05:54:22 Mats_cd03: http://vimeo.com/92990850

05:54:22 assbot: Let It Go [A$AP Ferg x Queen Elsa from Frozen] on Vimeo

05:54:33 Vexual: i punched muhhumad ali in the mouth and he didnt notice

05:54:41 *: moiety refuses to click anything relating to frozen

05:54:45 BingoBoingo: moiety: When Mads gets to business he is more chilling than antony

05:55:08 Mats_cd03: meh, its no good til 1m anyway

05:56:09 Mats_cd03: frozen is my new favorite sexy time movie/soundtrack

05:56:23 Mats_cd03: ...i think something is wrong with me, but the doctors can't say

05:56:34 moiety: welcome to celibacy

05:56:50 BingoBoingo: Ouch

05:56:54 Mats_cd03: lol

05:56:58 moiety: seriously, i know i haven't seen it but whats the fuss about frozen

05:57:26 BingoBoingo: My scrotum neatly rotted off these past few weeks and no one hit my viewing preferences that hard

05:57:41 Mats_cd03: its likely to be considered a disney classic 20 years from now

05:58:11 moiety: i lasted 5 minutes of nightmare before christmas before the signing became too much

05:58:21 moiety: singing*

05:58:22 Vexual: \https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8ixnqRyfzU

05:59:00 Mats_cd03: good track

05:59:14 Vexual: 808 state

06:00:56 BingoBoingo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DC-8mgpnbus

06:00:57 assbot: Hannibal Homage to Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi - YouTube

06:05:03 Mats_cd03: i have yet to see this movie

06:05:47 BingoBoingo: Mats_cd03: That mashup is three movies

06:05:53 Mats_cd03: too much culture to be absorbed in a lifetime

06:06:18 moiety: definitely films to see

06:06:18 BingoBoingo: But the current tv actor is more into the part than anthony, for better or worse...

06:07:03 moiety: my brother felt that way about brian too though. he never liked anthony, thought he didn't fit the books as well

06:07:04 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qJfmdx2uDY

06:07:04 assbot: Ian Brown - F.E.A.R.(Mr Rich & Billy Kenny Remix) - YouTube

06:08:05 moiety: speaking of cannabilism, there is an artist who decided to eat his own hip bone. he had it replaced and told doctors he wanted to use it in an art piece. then, when he was boiling the meat off the bone, just decided to have a nibble

06:08:16 BingoBoingo: Mads Mikkelson gets extremely scar and extremely textually correct

06:09:01 Vexual: there might be 500 chefs worldwide that can cook kangaroo propery, and that includes cooks

06:09:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 36966 @ 0.0001 = 3.6966 BTC [-]

06:09:09 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wtncm2yzUE

06:09:09 assbot: Billy Bunks - Strumpets - YouTube

06:09:35 BingoBoingo: Vexual: Push those requests to MP, he's got the meat experts nao

06:09:58 Vexual: im forbes, tell him latert

06:10:31 Vexual: the difference between fucked roo and good roo is about a million dollars

06:10:41 Vexual: or 12.50

06:10:55 BingoBoingo: http://www.vice.com/read/a-bum-without-a-country-0000326-v21n5

06:10:56 assbot: Mike Gogulski Might Be the First Case of Successful Voluntary Statelessness | VICE United States

06:11:15 Vexual: my tv pushes vice at me

06:11:25 Vexual: i love 2014

06:12:37 Vexual: korean poo swillers et all

06:14:26 BingoBoingo: !up Vexual

06:14:33 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOq2lmHpylI

06:14:33 assbot: Ariana Grande - Problem ft. Iggy Azalea (OFFICIAL VIDEO) - YouTube

06:14:42 Vexual: waitr wot?

06:15:11 BingoBoingo: Vexual: Plz get in the WoT so you can self up

06:15:18 Vexual: ill pay for it anyway

06:15:46 BingoBoingo: Vexual: I up you because you are the best legacy personality to up

06:15:50 Vexual: i will a

06:16:28 BingoBoingo: Vexual: 16wAZSsL8BFNFM8WCsrE8pwwFkhDErWiok is you ever pay for the priveledge

06:17:02 Vexual: are you asking for tribute?

06:18:06 BingoBoingo: Vexual: Maybe???

06:18:13 Vexual: ok

06:18:53 Vexual: you probaby make more money than me u cheeky bitch

06:19:14 BingoBoingo: Vexual: How can you know, BTC and all

06:19:33 Vexual: u knw my shit u fkn wzrsd

06:20:12 BingoBoingo: Vexual: Don't make me invoke rm recursive on your filesystem...

06:20:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8700 @ 0.00081156 = 7.0606 BTC [+] {4}

06:20:18 Vexual: still i respect the request

06:21:45 Vexual: your powers of bullshit are enviable

06:23:36 moiety: !up Evolyn

06:24:56 moiety: !up napedia

06:25:57 Vexual: i will tribute if you can drink with me

06:27:47 Vexual: or both

06:31:56 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9b8erWuBA44

06:31:57 assbot: Mariah Carey - Touch My Body - YouTube

06:35:16 Vexual: why would i wot

06:37:26 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zR6ROjoOX0

06:37:26 assbot: Iggy Azalea - Work (Explicit) - YouTube

06:38:11 fluffypony: lol

06:38:22 fluffypony: really Vexual...Mariah Carey?

06:38:40 Vexual: that was a joke iggy azalea is real

06:38:51 fluffypony: the realest of reals

06:39:02 fluffypony: the kiefest of the kief

06:39:03 Vexual: tru dat

06:39:14 Vexual: mmm

06:39:19 Vexual: maybe notso

06:39:33 fluffypony: the kwai-est of the kwai?

06:39:45 Vexual: yahmon

06:41:24 Vexual: you been japon?

06:41:36 Vexual: have you been to japan?

06:42:28 fluffypony: nope

06:42:31 fluffypony: it's on my list

06:42:46 Mats_cd03: 46M views...

06:43:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.125 BTC [+]

06:43:47 Mats_cd03: there is softcore porn with better lyrics

06:43:59 Vexual: lol do it

06:44:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 16 @ 0.1245897 = 1.9934 BTC [-]

06:45:57 fluffypony: I want to go to Japan and visit the hallowed halls of Karpeles

06:46:18 fluffypony: bathe in the shallow pools of Goxcoins

06:46:29 moiety: !up Vexual

06:46:40 moiety: !up xmj

06:46:41 fluffypony: climb the peaks of Mt Gox and see its carnage

06:46:56 Vexual: ty lady

06:46:57 fluffypony: Vexual: seriously, the WoT isn't that complicated :)

06:47:06 moiety: lol fluffypony there's nothing to bathe in, he ate them all

06:50:00 Vexual: i dont know what naphex iz

06:56:18 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HLY1NTe04M

06:56:19 assbot: Mark Ronson feat. Amy Winehouse - Valerie ft. Amy Winehouse - YouTube

06:59:38 xmj: thanks

07:00:02 xmj: stupid corporate network blocks ssh, so having a VPS running irssi isn't any use at all.

07:05:57 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WutGkPePnCU

07:05:57 assbot: Black Eyed Peas My Humps Outro "So Real" Cleanly Edited Extended Version - YouTube

07:15:24 Vexual: ;;2coins

07:15:24 gribble: Error: "2coins" is not a valid command.

07:17:26 punkman: morning

07:17:31 punkman: !up Vexual

07:17:39 Vexual: ty

07:19:53 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkUAz6zGIjA

07:19:53 assbot: Snoop Dogg - 12 Round Here - Blue Carpet Treatment - YouTube

07:20:31 punkman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zn9tRAKaDM8

07:20:32 assbot: Buck 65 (w/ Jenn Grant) - Who By Fire (Leonard Cohen) - YouTube

07:21:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 71 @ 0.0375 = 2.6625 BTC [-] {3}

07:25:04 Vexual: savage

07:25:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 14 @ 0.1245897 = 1.7443 BTC [-]

07:25:35 Vexual: ;;google tin pan orange the tide

07:25:36 gribble: Tinpan Orange - The Tide - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4swt3S4SpA; Tinpan Orange - The Counting Song@the Corner 14/02/08 - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWkKeAQ-Gac; Tinpan Orange - Bottle of Whiskey (LIVE) - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VloMqAHqJb0

07:28:27 Vexual: puinkman

07:29:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34900 @ 0.00081271 = 28.3636 BTC [+] {3}

07:43:07 punkman: http://online.wsj.com/news/article_email/SB10001424052702304811904579586283430862854-lMyQjAxMTA0MDIwNjEyNDYyWj

07:43:08 assbot: Canada's Pitch to Tech Entrepreneur: We'll Pay 80% of Your Salaries - WSJ.com

07:45:33 xmj: there.

08:00:10 Mats_cd03: mp's twitter activity has now drawn 70+ comments in a reddit thread

08:00:50 pankkake: link

08:03:02 Mats_cd03: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/26o47f/please_report_this_person_to_twitter_they_are/

08:03:03 assbot: Please report this person to twitter. They are threatening Andreas saying they will kill him. : Bitcoin

08:03:20 punkman: ahaha

08:04:21 pankkake: always worse than expected, reddit delivers

08:04:26 Mats_cd03: make that 90+

08:04:31 Mats_cd03: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/26o1hj/serious_threats_of_violence_leveled_at_andreas/

08:04:31 assbot: Serious threats of violence leveled at Andreas Antonopoulos : Bitcoin

08:05:10 pankkake: https://github.com/django/django/pull/2718

08:05:11 assbot: Change `master` branch into `primary` by Feminist-Software-Foundation Pull Request #2718 django/django GitHub

08:09:53 fluffypony: LOL

08:10:20 pankkake: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/26o47f/please_report_this_person_to_twitter_they_are/chswwc7 obviously modded down to hell

08:10:21 assbot: imahotdoglol comments on Please report this person to twitter. They are threatening Andreas saying they will kill him.

08:12:44 pankkake: and this is why reddit can never be used as a proper discussion platform

08:16:48 fluffypony: wow

08:16:51 fluffypony: that is truly special

08:24:02 pankkake: http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/outrage/master.asp

08:29:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 23 @ 0.03043 = 0.6999 BTC [+]

08:31:19 punkman: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-27599373

08:31:19 assbot: BBC News - Skype to get 'real-time' translator

08:32:43 Mats_cd03: excellent

08:32:50 pankkake: http://www.reddit.com/r/neobee/comments/26oad4/life_threat_against_andreas_on_twitter_xpost/chswqwq lel

08:32:51 assbot: Battle78 comments on Life threat against Andreas on Twitter [x-post /r/bitcoin]

08:33:23 punkman: pankkake: such detective

08:33:44 Mats_cd03: so nsa can mine every conversation ever

08:35:05 Mats_cd03: brought to you by Microsoft

08:48:48 pankkake: so no one talked about how asicminer didn't release either divs or financials?

08:48:58 pankkake: it was supposed to happen yesterday

09:11:59 Naphex: mircea_popescu: https://i.imgur.com/30aF4M3.png

09:25:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 176 @ 0.00400126 = 0.7042 BTC [-] {3}

09:25:48 pankkake: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=628206.0 wat

09:25:48 assbot: Coins gaming stocks - Eulora(MINIGAME)information

09:32:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24400 @ 0.00080797 = 19.7145 BTC [-] {2}

09:39:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.03756667 = 0.1127 BTC [+] {2}

09:42:58 fluffypony: http://kindofnormal.com/img/wumo/2014/05/22.jpg

09:48:11 pankkake: http://bitbet.us/bet/869/satoshi-nakamoto-to-win-nobel-prize-in-economics/ lol at approving this

09:48:11 assbot: BitBet - Satoshi Nakamoto to win Nobel Prize in Economics in 2014 :: 0.01 B (5%) on Yes, 0.21 B (95%) on No | closing in 4 months 1 week| weight: 99`560 (100`000 to 1)

09:48:30 pankkake: I'll never get it I guess…

09:49:03 fluffypony: it's not the mods job to not approve nonsensical bets

09:49:11 fluffypony: as long as they have a measurable outcome

09:57:16 pankkake: except it that case bitbet will lose 0.01 BTC

09:58:48 pankkake: well, a bit less

09:58:55 pankkake: they usually refuse a lot of nonsensical bets

10:05:12 fluffypony: maybe they know something we don't, pankkake

10:05:13 fluffypony: :-P

10:16:12 pankkake: http://www.coindesk.com/ripple-price-rebound-ceo-7-billion-xrp-donation/

10:16:12 assbot: Ripple Price Rebounds After CEO Pledges 7 Billion XRP Donation

10:53:41 mircea_popescu: !up adrrr

10:54:01 mircea_popescu: ;;ticker

10:54:02 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 570.54, Best ask: 571.9, Bid-ask spread: 1.36000, Last trade: 571.9, 24 hour volume: 11793.99796239, 24 hour low: 558.0, 24 hour high: 590.0, 24 hour vwap: 574.299326532

10:58:20 mircea_popescu: omfg im going to end up stacking 8 of these "connections" to get something that actually works.

11:01:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9350 @ 0.00080776 = 7.5526 BTC [-]

11:15:17 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: I think you get an award

11:15:24 fluffypony: 135 comments on Reddit thus far

11:15:30 mircea_popescu: on ?

11:15:43 fluffypony: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/26o47f/please_report_this_person_to_twitter_they_are/

11:15:44 assbot: Please report this person to twitter. They are threatening Andreas saying they will kill him. : Bitcoin

11:16:08 mircea_popescu: lmao

11:16:15 fluffypony: Redditors are baying for blood after you threatened the great Andreas

11:16:31 mircea_popescu: well this should surely be interesting.

11:16:53 mircea_popescu: the thing is, i will kill the dude, if bitcoin becomes anything other than the tool of privilege

11:17:04 mircea_popescu: and im not gonna use twitter to do it.

11:17:32 mircea_popescu: the effort seems akin to your house being on fire and you trying to put it out by "videodocumenting" it.

11:18:29 fluffypony: Redditards gonna 'tard

11:19:22 mircea_popescu: it's kinda funny tho, you know ? russia invades the ukraine, let's downvote putin's facebook profile

11:19:26 mircea_popescu: THAT'LL SHOW HIM

11:20:00 mircea_popescu: because it's the only thing we got, and it's quite inconceivable anything we heard about could not care about the only thing we got. why, that'd almost mean we're irrelevant in the world!

11:20:55 adrrr: http://www.wefunkradio.com/radio

11:20:56 assbot: WEFUNK - Radio Stream

11:23:48 adrrr: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohHnHcBFSqY&index=51&list=PL3VEijJnpcBCLVWmDUI5ZnopGU7UJEWv2 good shit !

11:23:48 assbot: Can't hold on - M.e.d. - YouTube

11:25:05 fluffypony: http://np.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/26on56/episode_ii_attack_of_the_neckbeards/

11:25:07 assbot: Episode II: Attack of the Neckbeards. : Buttcoin

11:25:07 fluffypony: lol

11:28:00 mircea_popescu: what's that do ?

11:29:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 34 @ 0.0375 = 1.275 BTC [-] {2}

11:35:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 20 @ 0.0375 = 0.75 BTC [-]

11:36:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.0375 = 0.1125 BTC [-]

11:46:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2250 @ 0.0001 = 0.225 BTC [-] {3}

11:48:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40600 @ 0.00080776 = 32.7951 BTC [-]

11:49:24 Naphex: what is up with BlockChain.info lately

11:49:42 Naphex: it lags 10+ minutes behind transactions

11:53:51 ThickAsThieves: still sick :(

11:54:44 mircea_popescu: Naphex, it does trhat occasionally ever since forever

11:55:34 mircea_popescu: fluffypony, http://fraudsters.com/2014/this-is-me-being-completely-spaced-out/

11:55:36 assbot: This is me being completely spaced out pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

11:55:43 mircea_popescu: add it to reddit. "mp answers"

11:57:11 fluffypony: LOL

12:00:47 fluffypony: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/26o47f/please_report_this_person_to_twitter_they_are/cht189a

12:00:47 assbot: fluffyponyza comments on Please report this person to twitter. They are threatening Andreas saying they will kill him.

12:00:47 fluffypony: there

12:01:08 ThickAsThieves: lol i just saw the reddit prviliege reactions

12:04:02 pankkake: not enough discussion about the beard, weird for reddit

12:04:47 ThickAsThieves: well give them 2 minutes to say he must be high to say things like he does (pic as evidence)

12:05:18 pankkake: "Andreas Antonopoulos is nothing but endless hyperbole (blockchain technology, the white man, it's more than a currency, satoshi was a woman etc etc)" lol did he really say satoshi was a woman?

12:06:30 fluffypony: ask cazalla

12:07:00 cazalla: yeah, on the joe rogan podcast

12:07:09 ThickAsThieves: i'm going to write a book about bitcoin systematics and be a bitcoin jesus, later guys

12:07:21 penguirker: New blog post: http://fraudsters.com/2014/this-is-me-being-completely-spaced-out/

12:08:08 pankkake: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/26o47f/please_report_this_person_to_twitter_they_are/chsziq6

12:08:10 assbot: Vloxxity comments on Please report this person to twitter. They are threatening Andreas saying they will kill him.

12:08:29 ThickAsThieves: i like that his "personal biographical site" has a donate page http://antonopoulos.com/donate/

12:08:31 assbot: Donate | Andreas M. Antonopoulos

12:08:46 pankkake: "i think he has got a point. that why we need alternatives to give others a chance for example." lol

12:09:27 pankkake: what's wrong with donations?

12:09:53 pankkake: except the lol of the "I will use these donations in a variety of ways including"

12:13:25 ThickAsThieves: i dunno, i dont like seeing donation solicitations on a website that isnt an original stream of free content, or from a nonprofit org

12:14:02 ThickAsThieves: i guess it gets grey

12:14:10 pankkake: there's his blog

12:14:28 ThickAsThieves: is there? oh

12:14:32 ThickAsThieves: i'm sick, ignor eme

12:15:11 pankkake: not very active

12:29:47 mircea_popescu: ttyl ThickAsThieves

12:47:32 mircea_popescu: !up TwoFatNuts

12:47:40 mircea_popescu: !up Poffertje

12:47:45 mircea_popescu: !up miaoux

12:47:51 chetty: http://armstrongeconomics.com/2014/05/28/eu-wants-to-seize-money-from-all-european-banks-on-a-flat-rate-basis/

12:47:52 assbot: EU Wants to seize money from All European Banks on a Flat Rate Basis | Armstrong Economics

12:47:53 TwoFatNuts: yay! i dont know what voiced means but sweet

12:49:00 pankkake: TwoFatNuts: when the channel is +m, it means you can talk

12:50:44 mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/ActualAdviceBTC/status/471633119045369856 the plot, it thickens.

12:50:45 assbot: my reddit response to the absurd /Mircea_Popescu witchhunt on r/bitcoin http://t.co/ioHK9TZwjC

12:52:17 TwoFatNuts: thats the post that brought me here. made some damn good points

12:52:30 pankkake: is ActualAdviceBTC someone here?

12:52:41 mircea_popescu: i dunno. who are ye ?

12:54:22 ThickAsThieves: mp you should go on the Howard Stern show, if it still exists

12:54:24 ThickAsThieves: thatd be fun

12:54:29 mircea_popescu: "talking shit and generally being a huge dick, being a bitcoin baron, and saving openbsd from starvation

12:54:29 mircea_popescu: i regret not taking MP's free "you're a retard" advice, on more than one occasion

12:54:29 mircea_popescu: but he's such a dick"

12:54:34 mircea_popescu: dude check it out, reddit got me pegged.

12:54:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2676 @ 0.0001 = 0.2676 BTC [-]

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13:04:56 mircea_popescu: i think it's cazalla

13:04:58 mircea_popescu: is it ?

13:06:50 cazalla: nah, that's not me, i did post something similar earlier

13:07:11 mircea_popescu: ah ok

13:11:24 mircea_popescu: !up badon420

13:13:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24445 @ 0.00081002 = 19.8009 BTC [+]

13:14:00 pankkake: http://science.slashdot.org/story/14/05/28/0332258/belief-in-evolution-doesnt-measure-science-literacy

13:14:01 assbot: Belief In Evolution Doesn't Measure Science Literacy - Slashdot

13:14:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4655 @ 0.00080776 = 3.7601 BTC [-]

13:14:29 pankkake: I wonder how it fares for AGW

13:15:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [BLISS] 5 @ 0.038 = 0.19 BTC

13:16:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 84 @ 0.03664827 = 3.0785 BTC [-] {10}

13:17:51 jurov: commented too.. but nothing noteworthy, imo http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/26o47f/please_report_this_person_to_twitter_they_are/chszb5a

13:17:51 assbot: rini17 comments on Please report this person to twitter. They are threatening Andreas saying they will kill him.

13:18:59 mircea_popescu: jurov, i saw

13:19:07 []bot: Bet created: "Kevin Durant to win MVP 2014 FIBA World Cup" http://bitbet.us/bet/870/

13:19:09 mircea_popescu: kinda lulzy

13:25:08 pankkake: you are doing that too much. try again in 6 minutes.

13:25:14 pankkake: fucking reddit

13:25:32 pankkake: they made throaway accounts unusable

13:26:30 mircea_popescu: get moar ips ?

13:26:38 mircea_popescu: what sort of professional troll pancake are you

13:26:57 pankkake: it's by account

13:27:10 pankkake: and I retired!

13:27:18 fluffypony: come now pankkake, you're supposed to have a wide selection of troll accounts on hand

13:27:34 pankkake: I used to have an account named "buttplugs42" that I rage-deleted (after rage deleting my older account years ago)

13:27:57 pankkake: I never advertised sockpuppetry!

13:27:58 mircea_popescu: you rage too much for your chosen profession

13:29:45 pankkake: I usually don't rage because of what someone said to me

13:29:54 pankkake: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=628692.0

13:29:54 assbot: Anyone knows how to IPO on havelockinvestments? thanks

13:30:05 mircea_popescu: sooo ?

13:30:41 pankkake: so I can carry out a "job" without raging

13:30:50 mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/Beautyon_/status/471643180916817920

13:30:51 assbot: The fact of the matter is people hate /Mircea_Popescu because he is BETTER than them. Smarter, braver, funnier and more honest. GET OVER IT.

13:30:55 mircea_popescu: so THERE!

13:31:24 pankkake: nice one

13:31:35 ThickAsThieves: they left out hairier

13:31:47 mircea_popescu: i am funnier. the rest, who knows

13:31:52 mircea_popescu: and for that matter, who cares

13:32:20 mircea_popescu: but funnier i shall take to my grave. for the entire world combined is not half as funny as I privately am myself!!1

13:32:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.10001001 = 0.2 BTC [-]

13:33:11 ThickAsThieves: Hey guys how do I IPO on NYSE?

13:33:16 fluffypony: ThickAsThieves please

13:33:18 fluffypony: it's HIRSUTE

13:33:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0975 = 0.195 BTC [+]

13:33:23 fluffypony: not hairier.

13:33:24 ThickAsThieves: i know

13:33:29 ThickAsThieves: a great word

13:33:36 ThickAsThieves: i almost used it

13:33:45 fluffypony: I use it regularly...I am, after all, a fluffy pony

13:33:52 mircea_popescu: im not fucking hirsute. i just grow a mean beard.

13:34:04 pankkake: I'm probably the hairiest on #bitcoin-assets right now

13:34:14 fluffypony: pankkake I doubt it - I have major arm and leg hair, yo

13:34:20 fluffypony: thankfully not a hairy back because gross.

13:34:21 ThickAsThieves: dont judge a man by his beard

13:34:31 mircea_popescu: and from the "let's email shit to mp" department : " Here is something silly to talk about while you flirt with Twitter and Reddit. I visited the address listed on http://bitcoinsinmiami.com/contact-us/ thinking I would see a little brick and mortar store where one could walk in and buy bitcoins for 40% premium. Instead, I found a Starbucks."

13:34:32 assbot: Contact Us - Bitcoins In Miami

13:34:32 pankkake: me too, and yeah no back but…

13:34:50 mircea_popescu: i lay no contest to the hairest, for i am recently hairclipped.

13:35:08 mircea_popescu: <ThickAsThieves> dont judge a man by his beard << a boy you can not judge by his beard. but a man, yo ushould.

13:35:36 pankkake: beard ~= skill. at least for sysadmins

13:36:03 mircea_popescu: word.

13:36:09 ThickAsThieves: i wonder if beards really carry the power they seem to have over people

13:36:22 ThickAsThieves: beards give free +trust +wisdom

13:36:27 mircea_popescu: they do.

13:36:33 ThickAsThieves: it's weird

13:36:38 mircea_popescu: but the reason is, only wise trustworthy people can grow a good beard in the first place.

13:36:46 mircea_popescu: it's genetic

13:36:47 fluffypony: this is true

13:36:49 mircea_popescu: PRIVILEGE

13:36:49 ThickAsThieves: even i trust myself more with a beard

13:36:53 mircea_popescu: ahahaha

13:37:01 ThickAsThieves: i shave and i'm like who is this scammer?!

13:37:18 fluffypony: !up peterl

13:37:35 peterl: thanks fluffypony

13:37:49 chetty: this may be the only real case of discrimination ...unless of course tits have trust built in too

13:37:58 mircea_popescu: tits have tolerance built into them

13:37:59 ThickAsThieves: they have sex built in

13:38:14 fluffypony: chetty: they're trustless and P2P

13:38:18 peterl: anybody use the bitcointalk.org trust system alot? I don't want default trust, but I want to add somebody from here to seed my trust list?

13:38:21 mircea_popescu: a woman with an uncomfortably compressed pair of doube ds' on a small frame can take a shit on your welcome mat and you'll offer her tp

13:38:35 mircea_popescu: if she's a scrawny AAA+ would not squeeze again, she's getgting shot

13:38:42 ThickAsThieves: peterl, defaulttrust trusts me i think

13:38:45 kakobrekla: do you trust this beard: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fa/Billy_Mays_Portrait_Cropped.jpg/874px-Billy_Mays_Portrait_Cropped.jpg

13:38:49 ThickAsThieves: but i have some good trust to start from

13:39:03 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla, no, billy mays had fake scambeard.

13:39:20 kakobrekla: ah

13:39:22 fluffypony: peterl: I have positive trust there, not much but enough to get a green number

13:39:32 ThickAsThieves: his beard was offset by his beady eyes

13:39:38 mircea_popescu: peterl, mpoe-pr actually used to use it

13:39:39 ThickAsThieves: the face is a total equation

13:39:42 ThickAsThieves: not just beard

13:39:42 mircea_popescu: so you can prolly use that

13:40:00 peterl: I dont just want somebody who has positive trust, but somebody who actively looks for other people to trust/distrust

13:40:02 pankkake: unfortunately mpoe-pr's trust list isn't very up to date

13:40:11 ThickAsThieves: peterl, good luck

13:40:14 mircea_popescu: ah. that may be out of bounds, but maybe davout ?

13:40:21 pankkake: I still have it in my list, but this gives + to tradefortress

13:40:25 ThickAsThieves: i negrated some folks others didnt have balls to, but meh

13:40:26 mircea_popescu: i think he's the only one left still putting actual plain effort into derptalk.

13:40:42 ThickAsThieves: peterl it's a lost cause

13:40:47 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves, you still working on the forum ?

13:40:50 ThickAsThieves: you are already in the place to find trustworthy people

13:40:54 fluffypony: peterl: try tomatocage or KWH - they both actively use it

13:40:55 ThickAsThieves: no not at all

13:40:57 fluffypony: they're not here tho

13:41:18 mircea_popescu: !up princessswell

13:41:20 peterl: I don't expect to trust the ratings, but it would be nice to see scammers come up red as I look through their threads

13:41:20 mircea_popescu: o oops.

13:41:25 mircea_popescu: !up princessnell

13:41:29 ThickAsThieves: i check the forum maybe once every few weeks just in case there is random customer support needed for old stocks

13:41:50 mircea_popescu: saltyspitoon may also have a usable forum chain trust

13:42:03 ThickAsThieves: i was almost a Hero before i quit

13:42:06 davout: do people even use forum trust?

13:42:10 ThickAsThieves: story of my life!

13:42:10 mircea_popescu: and i dunno if d&t still does

13:42:26 mircea_popescu: davout, apparently someone is trying to. i was kinda shocked myself

13:42:33 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves, anhero

13:42:41 princessnell: morning folks

13:42:43 davout: i got negrated for saying "faggot"

13:42:50 peterl: thanks guys, that helped

13:43:03 kakobrekla: ::rate davout -2 said faggot twice

13:43:10 davout: lol

13:43:15 pankkake: davout: I was just going to point out that one, it still cracks me up

13:43:19 mircea_popescu: ;:rate kakobrekla -1 said faggot

13:43:23 pankkake: "How can you trust a homophobe?"

13:43:36 mircea_popescu: some of my best friends are hompopobes

13:43:43 princessnell: so MP are u sad that u can't attend any awesome btc conferences now that andreas' army is flexing their harrassment policy against yr triggering statements??

13:43:53 davout: some of my homophobes are friends best

13:44:12 mircea_popescu: princessnell, no because if i went to such a thing i'd get a set of bodyguards anyway

13:44:36 mircea_popescu: because you see, irrespective of what the crowd of nobody thinks, rich people sitll can't simply leave the door open relying on some sort of universal humanity.

13:44:57 mircea_popescu: and so since i'm paying for security detail anyway, might as well put this to use : let them do the same if they want to talk to me on equal terms.

13:45:00 mircea_popescu: sensible n'est pas.

13:45:10 princessnell: good bc those are some tuff dudes

13:45:25 davout: s/n'est pas/n'est-ce pas/

13:45:38 mircea_popescu: mine works too omg hateur

13:45:51 davout: yes, if you're a drunk master yoda

13:46:02 davout: sensible, cela n'est pas.

13:46:34 pankkake: can jedi get drunk?

13:46:47 mircea_popescu: on pee onlee

13:46:52 davout: on cantina music only

13:46:59 ThickAsThieves: vader was a raging alcoholic

13:47:03 davout: fuck, it's in my head now

13:47:22 mircea_popescu: what has been imagined cannot be unheard.

13:47:35 davout: haha totally

13:47:42 mircea_popescu: so am i banned off twitter yet ?

13:48:17 mircea_popescu: anyway, off for breakfast. if you don't hear from me again must be because i was banned by some social media service and so i can no longer be heard or even exist!!1

13:48:44 ThickAsThieves: http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/05/28/goldman-sachs-predicts-the-world-cup-winner/

13:48:45 assbot: Goldman Sachs Predicts the World Cup Winner - MoneyBeat - WSJ

13:50:19 princessnell: that's what u get for microaggressing

13:52:36 princessnell: !up bitstein

13:54:01 ThickAsThieves: princessnell i did get your message the other day, been sick and out of focus

13:54:19 pankkake: http://www.reddit.com/user/andreasma official andreas response!!

13:54:20 assbot: overview for andreasma

13:54:46 princessnell: ThickAsThieves offer stands! hope you're feeling better.

13:57:18 ThickAsThieves: what important things are andreas and followers getting back to? evangelism?

13:59:09 ThickAsThieves: thank you princessnell, when the bug bites me to continue the work, I'll surley be in touch

13:59:14 ThickAsThieves: surely*

14:18:07 xmj: there.

14:19:01 princessnell: http://nymag.com/news/features/laundry-apps-2014-5/

14:19:02 assbot: Silicon Valley's Laundry-App Race -- New York Magazine

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14:49:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.4998629 BTC [+]

14:51:02 Apocalyptic: wow 220 comments for that reddit thread

14:53:19 diametric: mircea_popescu: have the twitter police come for you yet

14:53:58 diametric: that thread is glorious

14:55:51 Mats_cd03: delusions of laundry

14:56:35 pankkake: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/26o47f/please_report_this_person_to_twitter_they_are/cht3cay god they can't even check that this was pre-heartblead

14:56:38 assbot: cryptonaut420 comments on Please report this person to twitter. They are threatening Andreas saying they will kill him.

14:56:43 pankkake: and who the fuck doesn't know openbsd exists

14:57:00 Mats_cd03: nymag fucking sucks

15:01:21 mod6: diametric: it was funny

15:02:55 Apocalyptic: "Andreas Antonopolous the bitcoin high priest participated in Neo&Bee, vouched for Mark Karpeles, vouched for Charlie Shrem, promoted a few altcoin scams and works for shady scumbag Roger Ver"

15:03:00 Apocalyptic: sums it up pretty well

15:03:26 mod6: ^

15:05:49 kakobrekla: lol that thread

15:06:06 kakobrekla: stupidity over 9000

15:06:19 punkman: "A mentally ill narcissist is making death threats and you say there's no danger? Just a few days ago a mentally ill narcissist was making death threats on YouTube and ended up going on a killing spree."

15:07:23 punkman: I wanted to make a bitbet about mp getting banned on twitter, but twitter does not indicate bans afaik

15:07:35 mike_c: the sky is blue. water is blue. you die if submerged in water. therefore, the sky is deadly.

15:14:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.0975 = 0.78 BTC [+]

15:14:50 asciilifeform: watching sewer pipe cleaning was more interesting than the linked reddit turd.

15:15:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 6 @ 0.037459 = 0.2248 BTC [-]

15:16:29 pankkake: I like to watch things cleaning

15:26:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 124 @ 0.03609672 = 4.476 BTC [-] {5}

15:27:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 103 @ 0.03406314 = 3.5085 BTC [-] {5}

15:31:22 Mats_cd03: I wonder if the bum without a country is in the Web of Trust

15:31:35 asciilifeform: Mats_cd03: which bum ?

15:32:13 fluffypony: http://www.vice.com/read/a-bum-without-a-country-0000326-v21n5

15:32:13 assbot: Mike Gogulski Might Be the First Case of Successful Voluntary Statelessness | VICE United States

15:32:15 fluffypony: that one

15:33:20 asciilifeform: fluffypony: afaik, no. but, interestingly, i first heard of him when he came to buy my urbit 'dukedom' - http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1352

15:33:22 assbot: Loper OS » Dukedom for Sale.

15:33:40 asciilifeform: he paid.

15:34:18 asciilifeform: i don't know much else about the fellow, except that he famously burned his u.s. passport in public.

15:35:52 fluffypony: http://i.imgur.com/kSfMx1b.jpg

15:36:22 asciilifeform: lol

15:36:49 fluffypony: in a hospital apparently

15:37:02 Mats_cd03: what is meant by dukedom

15:38:06 asciilifeform: Mats_cd03: long story. might want to read 'urbit' documentation. but they are not called 'dukedoms' any more - now they are called 'aircraft carriers.'

15:38:28 ThickAsThieves: <+fluffypony> http://i.imgur.com/kSfMx1b.jpg wtf?

15:38:39 fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: hospital

15:38:40 fluffypony: not mine

15:39:28 ThickAsThieves: but how does chrome make a pc sickly?

15:40:30 asciilifeform: Mats_cd03: fellow named Curt Yarvin wrote an elaborate programming language / runtime env. / replacement for dns and http. and sold namespace for substantial money. but earlier he handed out parcels of address space to folks who participated in a contest - which is where i got mine.

15:41:25 Mats_cd03: an interesting project

15:41:27 asciilifeform: there were, i think, two dozen people who solved

15:41:28 fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: a lot of the hospital data systems are ancient and require < IE 8 to work

15:42:13 ThickAsThieves: can't IT just disallow Chrome?

15:42:24 ThickAsThieves: and installs

15:42:29 kakobrekla: offtopic, im curious ascii, do you own a space cadet

15:42:42 asciilifeform: Mats_cd03: re: urbit - http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1390

15:42:43 assbot: Loper OS » Of Decaying Urbits.

15:43:14 fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: don't bring logic to the illogical

15:43:16 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: no space cadet. but i do have both symbolics keyboard variants (presently in crates.)

15:43:43 kakobrekla: cool

15:44:17 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: at one point i reverse engineered the older keyboard; then found that the newer one uses same electrical protocol

15:44:20 thestringpuller: !up Namworld

15:44:32 asciilifeform: posted the results, then some (german?) folks published a converter box.

15:44:44 asciilifeform: you can find it if you need one.

15:45:26 kakobrekla: atm i just wish i needed one :)

15:45:50 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: i keep meaning to sell the entire collection

15:46:24 kakobrekla: how come if its not sekrit ?

15:46:41 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: no secret. i no longer need the machine for anything (satisfied with emulator)

15:47:25 asciilifeform: (machine: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=51 - emulator: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=186)

15:47:26 assbot: Loper OS » Lisp, Lisp, Lisp Machine, Lisp Machine is Fun!

15:47:28 assbot: Loper OS » Symbolics Open Genera

15:47:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.00415 = 0.166 BTC [-]

15:47:39 Mats_cd03: Anyone dealing with carpal tunnel that has recommendations on treatment?

15:47:50 kakobrekla: you will be selling those two machines?

15:48:15 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: the older one (that is, the actual symbolics 3620, not the dec alpha box running emu)

15:48:16 pankkake: is there a treatment? besides waiting it out

15:48:30 kakobrekla: ah right.

15:48:51 Mats_cd03: I've been informed that 50 percent of people don't experience any change after surgery, and of the remaining 50%, only half report mild reduction in pain

15:49:20 Namworld: I recommend cutting them off and having new hands and wrists grown.

15:49:22 Mats_cd03: I guess management is a better descriptor

15:49:33 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: it weighs about 60kg. and same for the console. (you need both to use it.) and can't even be guaranteed to survive shipping.

15:49:40 pankkake: I'm quite uncomfortable with surgery on such a crucial part of my body

15:50:07 kakobrekla: some heavy shit.

15:50:13 pankkake: have you tried simply changing/fixing your usages?

15:50:43 Mats_cd03: DotA is entirely to blame for the state of my nerves, I've probably played 8000 games in my life

15:50:50 ThickAsThieves: my mom went thru all that carpal tunnel surgery shit

15:51:01 ThickAsThieves: she eventually got some relief

15:51:12 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: when the 3620 came out, howard cannon (symbolics co.), a strong fellow, famously danced with it on a stage, claiming 'first man-portable lisp machine!'

15:51:13 ThickAsThieves: but it was several surgeries and years of trying different things

15:51:24 kakobrekla: asciilifeform lmao

15:51:25 ThickAsThieves: she's still techincally disabled though

15:51:42 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: 1986.

15:52:02 Mats_cd03: yeah: i sleep on my back with my arms extended, I wear a brace at night, and i take breaks regularly. its gotten worse

15:52:20 ThickAsThieves: she got molded braces

15:52:28 ThickAsThieves: i think that was an improvement

15:52:28 kakobrekla: yes im familiar with the tech from those days

15:52:45 ThickAsThieves: but if you have specific questions i'll ask her

15:52:57 ThickAsThieves: she's dealt with it for decades now

15:53:21 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: the 3620 is actually very atypical for the tech of those days. not a 'microcomputer' in any real sense. for instance, there's a motorola '68k' in there - just to direct the boot process and for nothing else!

15:53:28 mike_c: Mats_cd03: the ergonomics of my keyboard & mouse make a huge difference for me. also the angles from my elbows to wrists to hands while working.

15:53:42 asciilifeform: designed for 'cost is no object' people. sold for roughly the price of a small airplane.

15:53:47 Mats_cd03: What works for her would be useful data

15:54:33 pankkake: same as mike_c. I think just changing radically can help, though of course getting things that are more ergonomic is also good

15:55:00 mike_c: given that i have big hands, a sizable mouse is a must for me

15:55:21 kakobrekla: asciilifeform and the airplane thingy was a part of the problem, no?

15:55:38 Mats_cd03: mike_c: any keyboard recommendations? I'm trying to teach dragon so i can use it for everything but its fucking useless for coding

15:56:07 ThickAsThieves: i emailed her for an overview

15:56:21 ThickAsThieves: i used to have pains and worry that i'd get it too

15:56:24 ThickAsThieves: but no more

15:56:38 ThickAsThieves: i do much less intensive computer usage now though

15:57:01 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: by the time symbolics co. figured out how to manufacture such a machine at reasonable cost, it was too late. lisp systems on cheap crapboxes, despite being nothing comparable to the 'turtles all the way down' stack from smbx, were firmly entrenched.

15:57:25 mike_c: Mats_cd03: two groups of good ergonomic keyboards. 1) raised & split (http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/en-us/p/natural-ergonomic-keyboard-4000), or 2) sunken and split (http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/shop/advantage-for-pc-mac/)

15:57:27 asciilifeform: the amount which the latter sucked helped to destroy the market for lisp systems in general

15:57:36 kakobrekla: entrenched and faster

15:57:51 mike_c: a guy i knew who had bad symptoms swore by the sunken kinesis

15:58:13 punkman: any opinions on vertical mice?

15:58:23 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: faster, yes. but it is a misconception that the purpose of smbx boxes was to 'run lisp fast'

15:58:50 Mats_cd03: looks designed for aliens

15:59:22 moiety: vertical mice?!

15:59:25 kakobrekla: you have a pic of 3620 insides ? i dont see much on google

15:59:40 mike_c: it gave him a lot of relief. he also used the foot pedals.

15:59:53 Mats_cd03: Just bought both, will test drive, ty

15:59:58 kakobrekla: mike_c two groups of keybords, model m and the rest.

16:00:09 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=52 http://www.loper-os.org/?p=53 (console)

16:00:11 assbot: Loper OS » Secrets of the Symbolics Console: Part 1

16:00:12 assbot: Loper OS » Secrets of the Symbolics Console: Part 2

16:00:24 asciilifeform: (part 2 has pics of machine proper)

16:00:28 mike_c: kakobrekla: yes, if you don't have stress syndromes :)

16:00:36 pankkake: punkman: I have one, I love it. I especially like the 3 real buttons instead of 2+click on the wheel

16:00:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.14925913 BTC to 8`937 shares, 24049 satoshi per share

16:01:07 mike_c: kakobrekla: and if you work alone. those things are so obnoxious to be near.

16:01:08 pankkake: then again, it might just have been changing the way I handle the mouse; but when I bought it I couldn't use my regular mouse

16:01:45 pankkake: you could try trackballs, too. I have one but never really got the habit of using it

16:01:55 pankkake: they are quite fun to play with

16:03:36 kakobrekla: oh yeah i remember those from going through your blog at some point asciilifeform

16:04:03 kakobrekla: not that its making it a lot more clearer

16:04:06 kakobrekla: :)

16:04:16 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: what would you like to know about the 3620?

16:04:25 asciilifeform: i put an obscene amount of time into reverse-engineering it

16:04:52 asciilifeform: even tried to buy the schematics from the one fellow who still has them (he wouldn't budge)

16:05:34 kakobrekla: how far did you come?

16:05:50 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: far enough that i understood that the project is going nowhere without electron microscope

16:06:04 asciilifeform: (or the original blueprints for the silicon)

16:06:37 kakobrekla: hmyea

16:06:38 thestringpuller: !ticker m s.mpoe

16:06:39 assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00080316 / 0.0008091 / 0.00081396 (585132 shares, 473.43 BTC), 7D: 0.00080316 / 0.0009085 / 0.00094813 (7481366 shares, 6,796.89 BTC), 30D: 0.00080316 / 0.00092502 / 0.00101 (24947103 shares, 23,076.66 BTC)

16:06:55 thestringpuller: !ticker m f.mpif

16:06:55 assbot: [MPEX:F.MPIF] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00021726 / 0.00021726 / 0.00021726 (2409 shares, 0.52 BTC), 30D: 0.000215 / 0.00021528 / 0.00021726 (1154009 shares, 248.44 BTC)

16:07:03 fluffypony: ;;gettrust vmrob

16:07:04 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user fluffypony to user vmrob: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=fluffypony&dest=vmrob | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=vmrob | Rated since: never

16:07:09 thestringpuller: $depth mpif

16:07:21 thestringpuller: mpex bot is gone :(

16:21:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0975 = 0.195 BTC [+]

16:28:54 Mats_cd03: http://pastebin.com/Gkjc0ee4 via my FB feed, from the 'help help womyn are being oppressed' dept

16:28:54 assbot: Denying the existence of rape culture and/or the extent in which it is tied into - Pastebin.com

16:29:40 punkman: pankkake: is evoluent the way to go?

16:39:47 Naphex: mircea_popescu: http://economie.hotnews.ro/stiri-it-17374795-radu-georgescu-infiintat-impreuna-doi-parteneri-platforma-plata-destinata-bitcoin-altor-monede-virtuale.htm

16:39:47 assbot: Radu Georgescu a infiintat impreuna cu doi parteneri o platforma de plata destinata Bitcoin si altor monede virtuale - IT - HotNews.ro

16:41:02 Naphex: mircea_popescu: http://coinzone.com/

16:41:03 assbot: Coinzone | Accept Bitcoin Payments

16:43:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 116 @ 0.0042999 = 0.4988 BTC [-]

16:43:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 34 @ 0.03022001 = 1.0275 BTC [-]

16:58:33 benkay: https://github.com/django/django/pull/2718 << called it.

16:58:34 assbot: Change `master` branch into `primary` by Feminist-Software-Foundation Pull Request #2718 django/django GitHub

16:58:34 benkay: ERC> starting to realize that os x kinda a sh

16:58:45 benkay: disregard second line of phat phingers

16:59:10 mircea_popescu: Naphex, spre surprinderea nimanui anume, comentariu' meu pe blogu' lui ie tot neaprobat

16:59:19 mircea_popescu: unde-i ziceam io asa finut ca welcome in 2012.

16:59:34 asciilifeform: this got lost in the noise last night and is worth thinking about: https://www.privacyinternational.org/blog/what-does-gchq-know-about-our-devices-that-we-dont

16:59:35 assbot: What does GCHQ know about our devices that we don't? | Privacy International

16:59:43 mircea_popescu: pentru ca puletele nu poa' sa ia un hint si sa fie baiat destept, el tre' neaparat sa se creada tare aiurea.

17:00:03 Naphex: sa vezi ce surprize o sa aiba :))

17:00:09 Naphex: ca face el pump in ultima zi

17:00:13 Naphex: cu un competitor bitpay

17:00:16 asciilifeform: (tldr: why did the bureaucrats, when destroying the infamous guardian laptop, sand off the eeproms in mouse, keyboard controllers...)

17:00:45 Naphex: am trecut noi solutia noastra pe foc rapid, ma asigur ca deschidem gw-ul de plata. Si trebuie sa vina ceva account manager bun de maine

17:00:48 asciilifeform: and the backlight transformer!

17:01:04 Naphex: deschidem inainte* :)

17:03:04 mircea_popescu: mda

17:05:31 Naphex: benkay: lol

17:05:49 Naphex: "@Feminist-Software-Foundation you should also open a bug about GIT using "push" and "pull" commands. Since it is obviously discriminativ" / re: "@teresko Great idea! What else of he git commands could be problematic?"

17:06:15 benkay: i think fsf is god-tier trolling, but i haven't been tracking because you know busy and shit

17:06:46 asciilifeform: benkay: the 'master/slave' troll has been done before. re: ata hard disks, years ago.

17:07:00 benkay: i am but a bairn

17:08:05 mircea_popescu: yup

17:09:42 benkay: is this thing where python3 kills python* a repeated pattern?

17:09:50 mircea_popescu: o hey check it out, my twitter got suspended.

17:10:54 benkay: old version of language crufts over, has core flaws, inadequate for changing reality, corporate owners sponsor wholesale upgrade, breaking changes, 'community' fails to upgrade libs at large, oldlang has more use than newlang after 2+ years, wholelang dies and corporate masters say "on to the next one!" eg golang?

17:11:33 asciilifeform: benkay: obligatory: http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3206985430398054@naggum.net.html

17:11:33 assbot: Re: Representing code as XML: the Flare Programming Language - Naggum cll archive

17:11:36 mircea_popescu: benkay, yes

17:11:42 mircea_popescu: it's actually a control strategy this.

17:11:53 princessnell: mircea_popescu that was fast

17:12:01 Mats_cd03: golang is godly

17:12:49 mircea_popescu: princessnell, "we no longer want you to contribute free content to our publishing platform. please let us bleed money in peace."

17:13:15 Mats_cd03: http://youtu.be/FZK9Zi26Izc

17:13:16 assbot: Gramatik - Muy Tranquilo (Street Bangerz Vol. 3!) - YouTube

17:13:48 asciilifeform: incidentally, 'twitter' is a perfect candidate for demolition using blockchain-encoded text (as discussed in the past.)

17:14:12 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, it's not a technological proble,

17:14:31 mircea_popescu: it's an economic problem. it has no actual utility/reason to exist, which makes it unassailable fpor short intervals.

17:14:37 mircea_popescu: like you know, digg.

17:14:48 mircea_popescu: or whatever, wis.dm, mag.nol.ia etc

17:15:30 asciilifeform: yes. but snippets of ascii sent via coded transactions would map perfectly to the intended use case (want to 'twit' 'at' someone? gotta send them a little coin in the process)

17:15:57 asciilifeform: likewise, one gets hard identities, automagically

17:16:01 asciilifeform: (address ownership)

17:16:22 mircea_popescu: but wait. what if i have 10mn followers

17:16:28 mircea_popescu: do i now owe .1 btc per message ?

17:16:42 asciilifeform: that's just folks who happen to crawl their own copy of blockchain looking for your messages.

17:16:45 asciilifeform: doesn't cost anything

17:17:05 asciilifeform: (yes, you would no longer have automatic tracking of subscribers. but who needs it?)

17:17:18 mircea_popescu: you kidding right ?

17:17:30 *: asciilifeform is innocent of 'twitter' et al

17:20:03 Naphex: mircea_popescu: http://coinzone.com/ omg and its even MySQL !:D

17:20:04 assbot: Coinzone | Accept Bitcoin Payments

17:21:23 Apocalyptic: PHP dud

17:21:25 Apocalyptic: *dude

17:21:30 mircea_popescu: well it's got a team and a bunch of big red blocks

17:21:34 mircea_popescu: so how hard can it be.

17:21:56 mircea_popescu: "For a developer, working for Coinzone is lots of fun. You get to work right away on the tasks you like most, and you have the opportunity to do things ?right? from the beginning. Everything from coding standards to the framework and technologies used, was up for debate and I got the chance to have a say in it."

17:22:01 mircea_popescu: now you know how it all happened.

17:23:36 Naphex: and what is it with people using redis/memcache instead of rolling their own backend

17:23:40 mircea_popescu: ahahaha waiut wait

17:23:51 mircea_popescu: phinn gage got suspended on trolltalk for being racist ?

17:23:52 Naphex: instead of that shitty stiching of PHP with redis/memcache

17:24:06 mircea_popescu: dude srsly, someone drop him a line, show him the light

17:25:10 mircea_popescu: "Fortunately, Havelock Investments (also behind Canadian Bitcoins) seems to have taken over Bitcoin stocks, essentially by not being idiots in public and not charging unreasonable fees. They seem to run things in a much more professional way."

17:25:11 mircea_popescu: win.

17:25:58 Apocalyptic: " They seem to run things in a much more professional way." // I don't even...

17:26:11 Apocalyptic: NeobeeQ was such a professional move

17:26:28 mod6: all it takes to be a pro is an HTML5 website!

17:26:58 mircea_popescu: i think this is going to be generating a lot of lulz as a going concern.

17:27:12 mod6: :D

17:27:28 Apocalyptic: that thread is pure reddit material

17:27:33 mircea_popescu: "Bitcoin exists so we don't have to put up with that centralization of privileges anymore. MPEX completely misses the point."

17:27:39 mircea_popescu: :D

17:27:43 mircea_popescu: so fucken cute srsly.

17:27:55 Apocalyptic: random derps opining on what has taken over bitcoin stocks, a space they probably don't fully grasp

17:28:42 mircea_popescu: you compleeeetely miss the point.

17:29:11 mike_c: i haven't seen mpex sponsor a muy thai night. havelock is king.

17:29:18 mod6: lol

17:29:35 mircea_popescu: whats muy thai ?

17:30:04 mike_c: https://www.havelockinvestments.com/images/poster-600.png

17:30:22 mike_c: boxing with your feet

17:32:30 mircea_popescu: o hey, going to have dinner with xapo's head of network

17:32:37 mircea_popescu: anyone want to relay a question ?

17:32:59 asciilifeform: i do.

17:33:31 asciilifeform: 'what's the point of mega-bunker, with key, when you can btc store private key just as well'

17:33:37 asciilifeform: or is that a cruel question.

17:34:09 mircea_popescu: moar like something i was gonna ask anyway :D

17:34:12 asciilifeform: lol

17:35:33 asciilifeform: to be fair, i can theoretically conceive of a point - say, a fellow who guesses three wrong keys in front of the bunker is fed to crocodiles.

17:35:45 asciilifeform: (no such feature on blockchain alone)

17:37:00 mircea_popescu: oic muay thai

17:38:00 mike_c: vowels.. whatever.

17:38:58 mircea_popescu: !up PierreRochard

17:40:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 92 @ 0.01922 = 1.7682 BTC [-]

17:42:46 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves, http://www.reddit.com/user/Bitcoin_Error_Log that you ?

17:42:47 assbot: overview for Bitcoin_Error_Log

17:50:22 ThickAsThieves: <+mircea_popescu> ThickAsThieves, http://www.reddit.com/user/Bitcoin_Error_Log that you ? // yessir

17:50:23 assbot: overview for Bitcoin_Error_Log

17:50:54 mircea_popescu: aok

17:51:50 Apocalyptic: "Hearn, The Solution Solver - Putting more problems into your solutions since 2013" I lol'd TAT

17:52:11 mircea_popescu: princessnell microagressing ? what's that one ?

17:52:23 asciilifeform: same hearn who tried to slip heartbleed into bitcoind ?

17:52:30 mircea_popescu: diametric:

17:52:30 mircea_popescu: mircea_popescu: have the twitter police come for you yet

17:52:31 Apocalyptic: yep ascii

17:52:48 princessnell: mircea_popescu errday oppression

17:52:50 mircea_popescu: i dunno, but this mounted policeman was looking at me kinda crooked from out in the street

17:52:51 princessnell: see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microaggression

17:52:51 assbot: Microaggression - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

17:52:53 mircea_popescu: should i be worried ?

17:53:15 Apocalyptic: depends if you have shaved your beard

17:53:31 mircea_popescu: o liek i tell a shill "stfu u shill" and he's all like "don' be microagressin all over my legit biz" ?

17:54:06 mircea_popescu: chester pierce lmao.

17:54:14 princessnell: sure, if he has enough tweeps to back him up

17:54:37 princessnell: usually works better coming from women or gays

17:54:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.48999995 = 3.43 BTC [-] {2}

17:55:34 mircea_popescu: can men be women too or are they still discriminated against ?

17:55:46 ThickAsThieves: "someone making unwanted sexual advances toward another person"

17:55:52 ThickAsThieves: uh

17:56:02 princessnell: sure, that is becoming a popular loophole

17:56:19 asciilifeform: 'microagression' lol

17:56:29 ThickAsThieves: microassaults

17:56:35 asciilifeform: what'd be a femtoagression? an unkind thought?

17:56:47 ThickAsThieves: metagression

17:56:57 ThickAsThieves: microdecentralized

17:57:03 mircea_popescu: princessnell, i propose this is factual. my main objection with the "west" such as it is today is that there's just too many girls. of both genders. not nearly enojugh women, virtually n omen. it gets stale being in the junior high after a while.

17:57:13 asciilifeform: let's tera-agression. (what'll that be? a nukefest?)

17:57:30 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, i think you don't quite understand how these scales work

17:57:40 mircea_popescu: your mistake being evident in that you demand consistency of your mental process.

17:57:43 ThickAsThieves: ascii, terragression = jogging

17:57:44 mircea_popescu: this is a hinderance.

17:57:45 princessnell: preach

17:57:59 asciilifeform: you demand consistency of your mental process << guilty; professional disease.

17:58:16 mircea_popescu: princessnell, i imagine it must suck for women tho. i mean for me, w/e, i got the tools to impose change in any number of ways.

17:58:30 mircea_popescu: i think if i was an actual woman of average means i'd be pretty fucking pissed off tho

17:59:22 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: actual woman << those are sorta disappearing in the west. 'habitat destruction', a biologist might say.

17:59:27 mircea_popescu: mike_c: the sky is blue. water is blue. you die if submerged in water. therefore, the sky is deadly. << now let's debate about how water is really green and parachutes.

17:59:37 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, something like that.

17:59:51 mike_c: no debate necessary. i agree with parachutes.

18:00:01 mircea_popescu: pankkake: I like to watch things cleaning << you know why that is right ?

18:00:07 ThickAsThieves: i thought the whole universe is a trap

18:00:16 mircea_popescu: mike_c, you know parasuta, ie romanian for parachute, is just one of the numerous ways to say whore.

18:00:19 ThickAsThieves: and we're just bumbling around in it

18:00:51 princessnell: most women know that something is off but can't properly diagnose it. so they go down stupid feminist rabbit holes not knowing that they intensify the problem.

18:00:51 princessnell: we've been told our whole lives to behave a certain way or we're stupid and vapid and backwards. so we fight against our nature to conform to the reprogramming.

18:01:00 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform:

18:01:01 mircea_popescu: fluffypony: afaik, no. but, interestingly, i first heard of him when he came to buy my urbit 'dukedom' << so invite the guy over and rate him ?

18:01:10 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i did.

18:01:47 mircea_popescu: princessnell, le suck. i think i wrote something sorta going that way recently. it must be pretty bad if it's visible from me.

18:02:02 asciilifeform: afaik he never opened a wot

18:02:29 asciilifeform: but!

18:02:30 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: i don't know much else about the fellow, except that he famously burned his u.s. passport in public. << what is the actual drawback of this ? i mean other than having to pay 100 bucks or w/e for a new one

18:02:35 asciilifeform: there's a 'mikegogulski' on wot...

18:02:37 asciilifeform: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=mikegogulski&sign=ANY&type=RECV

18:02:38 assbot: Rating Details for User 'mikegogulski'

18:02:38 princessnell: mircea_popescu even the economists can see it for crissake http://theumlaut.com/2013/11/05/is-feminism-making-women-less-happy/

18:02:39 assbot: Is Feminism Making Women Less Happy? | The mlaut

18:02:41 asciilifeform: no idea if it's the one.

18:02:41 mircea_popescu: out of 10k you could do this till your walls change colors no ?

18:03:04 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: he did manage to get officially drummed out of u.s. in addition to simply burning passport.

18:03:06 mircea_popescu: princessnell, so anyone trying to organise anything yet ?

18:03:23 ThickAsThieves: i'm in a local Facebook group called "Free Thinkers". It's all women but me and a few of their husbands. Last week one woman posted how she was a offended that the new playground for disabled kids has a purple Sally's Music structure and a blue Billy's Hardware structure to play in.

18:03:45 princessnell: like a reaction? think that's barking up the wrong tree

18:04:04 princessnell: there's a few scattered bloggers, some conservative-type organizations

18:04:06 mircea_popescu: princessnell, i don't know like what. obviously men's rights isn't the adequate outlet.

18:04:14 mircea_popescu: maybe a sort of fight club, except chick run.

18:04:59 mircea_popescu: buncha girls get together, do some light stretching in light leotards for half an hour, then al lthe dudes beat each other to shit, then the girls fuck the living daylights out of the one dude left standing.

18:05:03 mircea_popescu: once a month or w/e

18:05:09 princessnell: oh yeah, there's the honey badgers: http://www.honeybadgerbrigade.com/about-1.html

18:05:10 assbot: ABOUT HONEY BADGER RADIO

18:07:13 mircea_popescu: http://www.11alive.com/story/news/local/douglasville/2014/05/27/charlie-mayes-teen-punished/9642971/

18:07:13 assbot: Father faces child cruelty charges for teen's punishment

18:08:53 mircea_popescu: talking of urbit, i don't suppose it stopped leaking yet, but i expect development all but ceased ?

18:09:03 asciilifeform: re: child punishment: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-02-2014&bots=true#509005

18:09:04 assbot: #bitcoin-assets log

18:09:39 asciilifeform: re: urbit: people still putter about on the mailing list; occasional giblets get checked into the repo; can't bring myself to give a damn re: the details.

18:10:23 mircea_popescu: myeah.

18:10:29 mod6: i haven't run my destroyer in months.

18:11:40 asciilifeform: urbit is the ultimate example of a tentacle of a problem masquerading as solution to said problem.

18:11:44 mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03: Anyone dealing with carpal tunnel that has recommendations on treatment? << remove the stressors. you're young enough and will be fine. just, don't do any of the things that cause it. any. at all.

18:12:32 asciilifeform: Mats_cd03, mircea_popescu: found myself with classic carpal symptoms at... 14. cured myself by: going off computer for a month.

18:12:56 mircea_popescu: exactly.

18:13:30 mircea_popescu: scaring and inflamatory reactions from surgical approach are worse than the injury in general

18:13:40 mircea_popescu: chemicals are similarly dangerous.

18:14:27 Naphex: lol mircea_popescu got suspended

18:14:32 Naphex: on twitter

18:14:58 mircea_popescu: Naphex, yup

18:15:39 asciilifeform: afaik urbit achieved its actual goal (refill mr. yarvin's money bag)

18:16:37 midnightmagic: Mats_cd03: strength training and flexibility helped for me: exercise basically fixed the symptoms for me

18:20:51 asciilifeform: re: carpal tunnel: generally, if a programmer (vs. data entry clerk or similar brute labourer) contracts this disease, it is suggestive of a poor choice of programming system

18:21:05 mike_c: "system"?

18:21:22 asciilifeform: verbose language. or, alternatively, poorly configured editor

18:21:35 mike_c: maybe it's just work ethic :)

18:22:17 mike_c: you can surely spend many hours a day writing lisp without solving all the world's problems

18:22:28 mircea_popescu: the idea being that carpal is repetitive small movements, not just small movements\

18:22:51 mircea_popescu: you could pay for a watcher, ie, a trained kinetotherapist that sits there with you for six hours and inventaries your movement patterns

18:22:58 mircea_popescu: but that's expensive as shit a process.

18:23:29 asciilifeform: http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3244633165773164@naggum.no.html

18:23:29 assbot: Re: Lisp options on Mac OS X (Was: Best combination of {hardware / lisp implementation / operating system}) - Naggum cll archive

18:23:42 mircea_popescu: so if you're one of those people that goes leftarrowleftarrowleftarrowleftarrowleftarrowleftarrowleftarrowleftarrowleftarrow instead of ctrl-left arrow say.

18:23:51 asciilifeform: 'Emacs actually comes with a builting Emacs Aptitude Test. Do you remap your keyboard or the Emacs keybindings before the chords and sequences it comes with by default have wreaked havoc with your hands? If you do not do anything to make Emacs more convenient for yourself, you may not have the prerequisite aptitude to use it productive.'

18:25:22 asciilifeform: aside from a few (fortunately) uncommon industrial cases, i can't think of any reason why a computer user ought to perform genuinely repetitive motions of any kind.

18:25:44 mircea_popescu: right. kinda why the coimputer is a computer.

18:25:46 asciilifeform: it's a programmable gizmo, not a miner's pick.

18:25:51 mircea_popescu: but then people who use ipads think they're computer users

18:25:57 mircea_popescu: and so you see how the problem appears.

18:26:24 asciilifeform: witness the reintroduction of the vertical touch screen heresy in consumer pc. like the '80s and their 'gorilla arm syndrome' never happened.

18:27:06 mircea_popescu: same thing happened recently with "3d"

18:27:19 mircea_popescu: that thing is a zombie, been reinvented as "high tech" each coupla decades since 1950

18:27:41 asciilifeform: i did paying work once that actually required a 3d visor. it was physically demanding.

18:27:49 asciilifeform: (molecular models)

18:28:00 Mats_cd03: http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=3957

18:28:01 assbot: An Oscilloscope Module for Novena « bunnie's blog

18:28:27 asciilifeform: incidentally, you can view 3d images from stereo-pairs without /any/ equipment but your eyes. 'cross-eye stereo.' used to be that every chemist knew how.

18:28:36 asciilifeform: and once you learn to do it once, it is never forgotten.

18:29:12 mircea_popescu: its uncomfortable

18:29:22 mircea_popescu: my motto in using eyes is "nothing uncomfortable"

18:29:40 asciilifeform: anyone who wants to try:

18:29:41 asciilifeform: http://i.stack.imgur.com/5AC4Q.png

18:30:36 asciilifeform: uncomfortable << naturally isn't meant to be done for hours. only to get a peek at a 3d structure from a paper article

18:30:47 asciilifeform: for prolonged work, you need a 3d gizmo

18:30:52 asciilifeform: preferably not the consumer junk

18:31:49 ThickAsThieves: so is twitter on your shitlist now mp?

18:31:58 ThickAsThieves: will you have their head?

18:32:30 []bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Bitcoin over $1000 before September" http://bitbet.us/bet/866/ Odds: 53(Y):47(N) by coin, 54(Y):46(N) by weight. Total bet: 2.79632357 BTC. Current weight: 96,895.

18:33:07 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves, lol what do i care.

18:33:31 mircea_popescu: i don't have to keep adding rel="nofollow" on links and process their dumbass format into something quotable.

18:33:48 mircea_popescu: they get whatever they figure they're getting. so it's a win- win.

18:35:37 mircea_popescu: that aside, considering their burn rate and revenue stream... it'd be a miracle if twitter survives any of us here present. but then again, i don't imagine it was seriously made to last.

18:36:17 ThickAsThieves: no chance in hell

18:36:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 64 @ 0.01925 = 1.232 BTC [+]

18:36:34 ThickAsThieves: they IPO'd the internet

18:36:38 ThickAsThieves: nice scam

18:36:41 ThickAsThieves: next!

18:36:59 thestringpuller: ;;seen bitcoinpete

18:36:59 gribble: bitcoinpete was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 18 hours, 53 minutes, and 4 seconds ago: <bitcoinpete> off to go bury some foundations at the meet-up, will report back!

18:45:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.03575 = 0.1788 BTC [-]

18:46:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30358 @ 0.00090144 = 27.3659 BTC [+]

18:56:39 thestringpuller: lol mpoe

18:56:41 thestringpuller: you so funny

18:56:52 thestringpuller: !ticker m s.mpoe

18:56:53 assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00080316 / 0.00081542 / 0.00090144 (432505 shares, 352.68 BTC), 7D: 0.00080316 / 0.00090831 / 0.00094813 (7463766 shares, 6,779.46 BTC), 30D: 0.00080316 / 0.00092477 / 0.00101 (24851611 shares, 22,982.03 BTC)

18:59:09 Mats_cd03: http://www.sbcl.org/news.html?1.2.0

18:59:52 pankkake: punkman: I've seen other ones but I don't think their designs are better. I have the evoluent v3, tested a v4 and not overly convinced (but the changes are minor)

18:59:55 Mats_cd03: ;;bc,stats

18:59:57 gribble: Current Blocks: 303076 | Current Difficulty: 1.0455720138484837E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 304415 | Next Difficulty In: 1339 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 14 hours, 35 minutes, and 27 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 11337004774.7 | Estimated Percent Change: 8.42873

19:00:04 pankkake: mircea_popescu> pankkake: I like to watch things cleaning << you know why that is right ? << no

19:00:05 Mats_cd03: hohoho

19:01:50 punkman: pankkake: saw some other ones browsing, I think I might try one that doesn't have such a steep angle. Does the Evoluent have any rubbery things that are gonna decompose in 6 months (like in the thumb rest)?

19:03:42 punkman: this looks comfy http://www.handshoemouse.com/

19:03:43 assbot: HandShoe Mouse, the Truly Ergonomic Mouse - Best Ergonomic Mouse

19:04:12 pankkake: unfortunately, yes. mine has the soft whatever thing that has been slowly removed

19:04:23 pankkake: I have two, the one at work is in a better shape though

19:04:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 56 @ 0.03015155 = 1.6885 BTC [-] {6}

19:04:56 pankkake: mine works well with a wrist rest, also

19:05:03 pankkake: I have a hard time being without it now

19:05:44 pankkake: as for mouse design, I belive radical change is what helps. when I changed from a heavy wireless mouse to a small, light mouse, it was also better

19:05:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16800 @ 0.00089598 = 15.0525 BTC [-]

19:05:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.01927 = 0.1927 BTC [+]

19:06:15 jurov: i kinda know mike g personally... i think he knows about us, just does not see any connection with his agenda

19:06:49 pankkake: the issue with those peripherals, is that they're expensive and you really can't try them out :(

19:07:07 benkay: !up tokyopotato

19:07:19 tokyopotato: cheers

19:09:28 punkman: pankkake: probably a good idea for a franchise, small showroom with keyboards, mice and chairs

19:09:35 pankkake: defitively

19:10:13 pankkake: there's one in Paris, but it wasn't open yes when I ordered mine

19:10:41 pankkake: they're selling them at a high price, but given how the import taxes shafted me, it's not that high!

19:11:35 pankkake: I'm drunk, so please correct ypos

19:11:40 pankkake: in your minds

19:11:50 pankkake: drunk and sleep deprived

19:13:25 punkman: last quote I got for the basic aeron was 2500 eur

19:16:18 jurov: how does it help with carpal?

19:17:46 pankkake: apparently the aeron are quite overpriced compared to their competitors

19:17:50 jurov: i've inherited proper 1 meter deep office table from my grandpa

19:17:58 jurov: replaced the worn out desk

19:18:12 pankkake: jurov: being able to change your position helps tremendously

19:18:33 jurov: so my hands are supported by the table all the time

19:18:49 jurov: never had any problem

19:19:28 princessnell: http://blogs.ft.com/money-supply/2014/05/28/follow-up-on-data-problems-in-capital-in-the-21st-century/

19:19:44 jurov: i got mouse callus. but never a carpal

19:21:02 pankkake: punkman: another tip: don't use the mouse. if you use vim, try pentadactyl for firefox, try window managers with good keyboard control, etc.

19:21:54 jurov: i can't ever remember keybindings if my life depended on them :(

19:22:03 jurov: so, rat it is.

19:22:20 pankkake: I don't either, they become muscle memory or I forget them

19:22:52 mircea_popescu: pankkake, ocd baby

19:23:00 pankkake: right

19:23:13 pankkake: I'm the kind of person who will align random stuff on a table

19:23:16 jurov: i consider muscle memory harmful..especially in case of rm-like commands

19:23:18 mircea_popescu: jurov, what'd that agenda be then ?

19:23:19 pankkake: because they have to be aligned

19:23:42 mircea_popescu: <punkman> pankkake: probably a good idea for a franchise, small showroom with keyboards, mice and chairs <<< this IS a good idea. san diego or thereaboutds.

19:24:20 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Hitachi-S-530-Scanning-Electron-Microscope-with-Pump-and-Extras-/121268844671?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c3c2fb87f

19:24:21 assbot: Hitachi s 530 Scanning Electron Microscope with Pump and EXTRAS | eBay

19:24:21 jurov: mircea_popescu: full anarchy afaik

19:24:28 pankkake: jurov: alias rm=rm -i and HISTIGNORE

19:24:35 mircea_popescu: definitely can debate it with me :)

19:24:42 mircea_popescu: im kinda curious what'd come ou of it.

19:25:01 jurov: pankkake: and how does it prevent muscles learning to type enter twice?

19:25:36 punkman: pankkake: I could never get into keyboard-only mode. I rarely have any stiffness/pain anyway, just thinking I should get a better mouse already

19:25:39 pankkake: jurov: yeah, it can happen, but I haven't had that happen to me yet (and I have snapshoted backups anyway)

19:25:40 jurov: mircea_popescu: he'll certainly be at bitcoin market tomorrow, i'll tell him

19:25:55 mircea_popescu: aok

19:26:00 mircea_popescu: didnt know the guy is in slovakia

19:26:11 jurov: it's mentioned in the article

19:26:24 jurov: member of progressbar hackerspace in bratislava

19:26:31 pankkake: punkman: it doesn't have to be only mouse; but just the swithing, removing, opening of tabs helps me cope a lot

19:26:33 mircea_popescu: bloody ft loading > 200 elements per page what in the loving fuck

19:30:29 jurov: !up sgornick

19:30:33 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: one just like this was sold 1km from where i live.

19:30:43 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: problem is, as always, space.

19:31:06 BingoBoingo: Space is always the prolem

19:31:20 BingoBoingo: But eventually Yurts

19:31:35 jurov: in the middle of argentinan pampa

19:33:45 jurov: but imo some desert caves should be better for preservation of electronics

19:34:14 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: microscope alone isn't of terribly much use for reversing. also would need ion beam machine, for stripping layers, etc.

19:34:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 395 @ 0.00221007 = 0.873 BTC [-] {7}

19:34:20 asciilifeform: before long, you're talking about real money.

19:34:35 jurov: *hint* S.NSA *hint*

19:34:47 benkay: BingoBoingo jurov http://rigsomelight.com/2013/09/09/frameless-geodesic-dome.html

19:34:48 assbot: Frameless Geodesic Dome

19:35:20 jurov: it won't help with temperature/humidity changes itself

19:35:29 fluffypony: wow such h8

19:35:55 jurov: fluffypony what?

19:36:18 fluffypony: some of my comments on Reddit re: the MP death threat got downvoted

19:36:18 fluffypony: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/26o47f/please_report_this_person_to_twitter_they_are/chszw2w?context=3

19:36:19 assbot: fluffyponyza comments on Please report this person to twitter. They are threatening Andreas saying they will kill him.

19:36:19 fluffypony: why did that get downvoted?

19:36:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 32 @ 0.03021001 = 0.9667 BTC [+]

19:36:50 fluffypony: stupid redditards want me to do their homework in proving that mpoe-pr is a real person, wtf.

19:36:57 punkman: http://truecrypt.sourceforge.net/ dafuq

19:36:58 assbot: TrueCrypt

19:37:01 asciilifeform: fluffypony: before long, you'll be drummed out as a spammer. like i was, from pediwikia.

19:37:43 BingoBoingo: benkay: At one point I had a chance to see the actual Buckminster fuller house (as a pile in storage)

19:38:26 HeySteve: <+benkay> BingoBoingo jurov http://rigsomelight.com/2013/09/09/frameless-geodesic-dome.html <- very cool. I was looking at building a hexayurt for raising trout

19:38:26 assbot: Frameless Geodesic Dome

19:38:49 pigeons: pediwikia?

19:39:11 fluffypony: asciilifeform: yeah, I've gotten to the point where I can't be bothered to understand how to be part of the circlejerk

19:39:12 fluffypony: pigeons: wikipedia

19:39:17 asciilifeform: humidity << serious problem. esp. for the pictured gizmo, where high vacuum pumps are involved.

19:39:22 asciilifeform: you'll be changing the oil daily.

19:39:36 fluffypony: benkay: damn, a geodesic dome is one of my favourite shapes

19:39:49 BingoBoingo: Mats_cd03: For carpal tunnel there are some eldrich pharacotherapeutic solutions like Voltaren and Amitriptyline compounded for topical use.

19:40:50 asciilifeform: 'doctor, it hurts when i do that. -- so don't do that.'

19:41:09 thestringpuller: fluffypony i need a soft alias like you

19:41:20 BingoBoingo: Dome http://www.siue.edu/religion/about_dome.shtml https://www.siue.edu/religion/domeroom.shtml

19:41:21 assbot: About the dome - History of dome

19:41:22 assbot: The Dome Room

19:41:22 thestringpuller: satinstrings

19:41:42 BingoBoingo: thestringsoother

19:42:04 fluffypony: thestringpuller: fluffystrings?

19:42:07 asciilifeform: where did the 'mpoe-pr is a sham' fixation come from?

19:42:11 thestringpuller: lol

19:42:34 mircea_popescu: ;;rated sgornick

19:42:34 gribble: You rated user sgornick on Fri Sep 28 05:44:50 2012, with a rating of 3, and supplied these additional notes: Solid guy..

19:42:49 mircea_popescu: sgornick, you know how to self-voice ?

19:43:15 sgornick: No, how?

19:43:27 thestringpuller: /msg assbot !Up

19:43:28 mircea_popescu: <fluffypony> some of my comments on Reddit re: the MP death threat got downvoted << how to know you got too much free time

19:43:33 thestringpuller: /msg assbot !up *

19:43:56 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: well it's not like I have to work for a living, so I have to spend my time on more useful things

19:44:08 sgornick: thestringpuller, thx!

19:44:14 mircea_popescu: why is a geodesic dome not airtight ?

19:44:22 mircea_popescu: happens to be the best design for that purpose afail

19:44:59 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> where did the 'mpoe-pr is a sham' fixation come from? << perhaps from the "women can't exist" notion of your average basement dweller ?

19:45:06 asciilifeform: lol

19:45:10 mircea_popescu: sgornick, you id with gribble and pm assbot !up

19:45:11 fluffypony: probably

19:45:20 mircea_popescu: then you're voiced for as long as you don't split (even if you lose id)

19:45:30 fluffypony: or "there's no way a site without a responsive CSS layout and tons of JS can afford to hire a PR person."

19:45:38 pankkake: fluffypony: I've got comments downvoted (not on reddit but with similar moderation) for no reason. like a purely informational thing, and as one of the author of the software that was talked about in the article. usually the first downvote calls for the rest of the mindless voting

19:46:18 fluffypony: pankkake: yes, I find that once you go have that 1:1 ratio the downvote squad feel like they have rationale

19:46:54 pankkake: some subreddits hide the score until a certain delay has passed. that's one of the few good things reddit came up with

19:47:10 mircea_popescu: how/what does it help ?

19:47:28 pankkake: people are tempted to downvote downvoted things, and upvote upvoted things

19:47:42 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: because then people don't base their votes on what has already happened

19:47:46 pankkake: when you don't see the score, you actually have to use your brain

19:47:46 asciilifeform: re: mpoe-pr - i'll confess, for the record, that i had lingering suspicions of 'mp is a bourbaki organized by mpoe-pr' right until getting off the plane at tsr

19:47:52 fluffypony: I like a 12 hour or 24 hour window

19:47:58 asciilifeform: but never the reverse.

19:48:19 fluffypony: asciilifeform: wouldn't that be a score - mpoe-pr is real and mp is the sock puppet!

19:48:42 fluffypony: I should lead with that on Reddit

19:48:44 mircea_popescu: pankkake> when you don't see the score, you actually have to use your brain << so by this theory showing the aspirants on tv is harmful for elections ?

19:49:16 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I can't think of anything more harmful for elections

19:49:28 mircea_popescu: hm.

19:49:34 pankkake: mircea_popescu: aspirants? but actually funny thing, in France polls are forbidden a few days before the actual election

19:49:37 mircea_popescu: unintentional breakthrough

19:49:48 pankkake: though I don't think it is the same at all

19:49:56 xmj: test

19:50:07 fluffypony: xmj: test received

19:50:07 asciilifeform: pankkake: this was a major wankatron during the second bush II. election over here.

19:50:33 pankkake: it's definitively wanking. it was started because of Le Pen being on the second turn I think

19:50:47 asciilifeform: pankkake: opponents insisted that the unofficial polls (which favoured john k.) caused anti-bush folks to stay home and sleep

19:50:47 xmj: success. dont even have to gpg --decrypt

19:51:13 xmj: So, I'm in Athens now...

19:51:31 xmj: You wouldn't think a city like this would be allowed in a EU, EURO, OECD, "Western Hemisphere" country.

19:51:53 asciilifeform: who moved athens to western hemisphere?

19:51:56 asciilifeform: did i miss something

19:52:28 xmj: duh.

19:52:47 asciilifeform: and weren't hemispheres north/south in atlas...

19:52:49 xmj: Greece is a member of all the right institutions to be eligible and way back when, their philosophers founded it.

19:54:29 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: There are east/west hemispheres cut at the Greenwich line

19:54:56 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: aye. but i always think of the ottoman world as 'east'.

19:55:03 BingoBoingo: It is.

19:55:57 asciilifeform: i suppose we have a 'physical' vs. 'logical' east.

19:56:05 pankkake: when I heard there was a nazi greek party I loled. the nazis buttraped greece, and modern greeks are niggers in my mind anyway

19:56:21 pankkake: nazi russians, I get, but nazi greeks

19:56:24 asciilifeform: pankkake: wait till you meet the russian nazis

19:56:40 pankkake: I love the nazbols

19:56:41 BingoBoingo: Or the Klan Blacks

19:56:47 pankkake: http://nazbol.cc/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/kmo_074743_00165_1m.jpg

19:57:17 asciilifeform: limonov's nazbols have about as much to do with classic nazi as mussolini's folks with the romans.

19:57:18 pankkake: http://nazbol.freetzi.com/girls1.jpg

19:57:46 pankkake: they have the imagery, and i love imagery

19:58:02 *: asciilifeform once snarfed up the entirety of the eminently-readable mr. limonov.

19:58:49 BingoBoingo: http://gawker.com/scout-willis-demands-nipples-on-instagram-with-topless-1582754269

19:58:50 assbot: Scout Willis Demands Nipples on Instagram with Topless Protest

20:00:44 mircea_popescu: <xmj> You wouldn't think a city like this would be allowed in a EU, EURO, OECD, "Western Hemisphere" country. << for srs.

20:00:53 mircea_popescu: how the fuck greece is in and gturkey is out is beyond sense

20:01:24 xmj: pankkake: how can you 'get' nazi russians? read Hitler, ffs.

20:02:00 pankkake: I've tried to read mein kampf, but got bored to death halfway

20:02:17 asciilifeform: pankkake: 'hitler's table talk' is the interesting one

20:02:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.01927 = 0.1734 BTC [-]

20:05:03 jurov: what do nazi russians have with hitler?

20:10:08 asciilifeform: amusing re: usa: http://wealthydebates.com/20-big-box-retailers-take-major-losses-first-quarter

20:10:10 assbot: 20 Big Box Retailers Take Major Losses In First Quarter | Wealthy Debates.com

20:11:34 pankkake: good. those stores are pointless

20:11:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 50 @ 0.01927 = 0.9635 BTC [-]

20:12:13 moiety: so.... just how long does it take twatter to suspend, read and realise?!

20:12:55 pankkake: probably less than a day. I've seen previous mass report witch hunts

20:13:06 pankkake: but perhaps the guy complained

20:13:37 moiety: i think someone probably climbed out of his arse for a second to do it for him

20:14:06 pankkake: moiety: I also use "twatter", and "twits for twats" :)

20:14:46 BingoBoingo: http://www.kctv5.com/story/25621975/brookside-beach-house-leaves-gritty-taste-with-neighbors?clienttype=generic&smartdevicecgbypass

20:14:46 assbot: Kansas City 'beach' house leaves gritty taste with neighbors - KCTV5

20:15:26 moiety: pankkake: i go between tweeter for things i like and twatter for those i don't lol

20:16:17 moiety: BingoBoingo: i just got an email :D :D "so, when yould you like to move in" :D thank you again so much. did i mention :D

20:16:34 moiety: would*

20:16:47 BingoBoingo: moiety: You are welcome.

20:17:20 pankkake: In sex weeks?

20:17:34 fluffypony: hah hah

20:18:11 moiety: lmao!

20:20:58 xmj: jurov: Nazis and Russians simply do not mix together.

20:23:18 Mats_cd03: BingoBoingo: interesting

20:25:55 BingoBoingo: Mats_cd03: Topical application can get more pain relieving drug to the site where it is needed, and also more tolerably. This sort of stuff is fairly common for arthritis.

20:27:22 Mats_cd03: time to schedule a doctors visit, i guess. both need to be prescribed

20:27:28 jurov: painkillers are best delivered by bullet

20:27:43 pankkake: not suppository?

20:29:05 fluffypony: pankkake so truecrypt

20:29:20 fluffypony: current rumours are serious hack - GPG key compromised among other things

20:29:48 pankkake: what?

20:29:55 Mats_cd03: wat

20:30:30 BingoBoingo: Mats_cd03: There is a non-zero chance a primary care doctor is going to want to refer you to a neurologist for carpal tunnel. This idea is just one more thing to try before a surgery that has a good chance of not resolving the issue or creating new pains.

20:31:13 pankkake: surgery […] creating new pains => so true :(

20:31:27 fluffypony: well wt

20:31:29 fluffypony: wtf

20:31:29 fluffypony: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-truecrypt-audit/x/5490529#activity

20:31:30 assbot: The TrueCrypt Audit | Indiegogo

20:31:37 fluffypony: "p.s. We hope to have some *big* announcements this week, so stay tuned."

20:32:01 mike_c: Mats_cd03: i need a good electronic mix. preferably 60+ mins. anything up your sleeve?

20:32:11 fluffypony: "there are many reasons to consider this suspect: (1) the URL redirects to truecrypt.sourceforge.net. (2) The SIGs provided in the new binaries do not validate. (3) The keys provided do not validate under Web of Trust. (4) The timing is bizzare since there's an initiative to audit truecrypt and this is counter to the developers' Modus Operandi. (5) No other official information anywhere else?** No. This is highly suspicious. We should wait for

20:32:12 fluffypony: additional sources"

20:32:16 BingoBoingo: http://consumerist.com/2014/05/27/new-starbucks-free-drink-record-set-with-54-sexagintuple-vanilla-bean-mocha-frappuccino/

20:32:16 assbot: New Starbucks Free Drink Record Set With $54 Sexagintuple Vanilla Bean Mocha Frappuccino Consumerist

20:33:08 Mats_cd03: http://youtu.be/N0huCxKYjpE butts.

20:33:09 assbot: Israeli (IDF) female soldiers girls dancing with guns and underwear (military scandal Israel) - YouTube

20:33:53 pankkake: fluffypony: interesting. I can't wait to find out more

20:34:13 fluffypony: pankkake: also, I'm getting popcorn and a whisky

20:34:58 pankkake: mike_c: electronic is quite vague

20:35:09 Mats_cd03: mike_c: not sure what youre looking for precisely but perhaps http://www.frequence3.fr/podcasts/ might be helpful?

20:35:09 assbot: Podcasts - Frquence 3 - The French Hit Webradio from Paris!

20:35:13 punkman: "Encryption process is disabled. The current binaries can only be used to "migrate". You can deface a webpage but the effort it takes to rewrite the entire source code, compromise the GPG, compromise domain et cetera is not minimal."

20:35:24 punkman: ^ truecrypt

20:36:23 mike_c: i'll give it a try. thx.

20:36:35 Mats_cd03: mike_c: i like armin's state of trance, too, if you are into trance

20:36:43 mike_c: I am.

20:38:02 pankkake: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLhUzlv0yCQ

20:38:02 assbot: Goa Moon 2.1 - Full Album (Compiled by Ovnimoon) - YouTube

20:38:20 punkman: http://somafm.com/ is handy

20:38:21 assbot: SomaFM: Listener Supported, Commercial Free Internet Radio

20:38:40 jurov: i like djphalanx stuff on youtube

20:39:58 kakobrekla: somafm... i used to like their mission control channel. you could be herping on bitcointalk and it feels like you are flying the shuttle.

20:40:28 mike_c: heh, yeah. i have one of those feeds linked. didn't realize that was where it came from.

20:40:29 thestringpuller: hah reminds me of college

20:40:43 punkman: kakobrekla, true story

20:41:17 mike_c: goa doesn't quite do it for me. i find it distracting while working.

20:41:20 fluffypony: punkman: I hear you

20:41:36 fluffypony: all of that and suggesting everyone move to MS' solution

20:41:51 fluffypony: the other thing

20:42:05 fluffypony: is despite all the effort required to do the other bit

20:42:20 fluffypony: it seems to me that it's a lot less effort to make an announcement in parallel with the change

20:42:25 fluffypony: the silence is what is weird

20:43:19 Mats_cd03: mike_c: RAC is quite good, http://hypem.com/search/rac/1/?sortby=fav

20:43:20 assbot: Rac / mp3s and music from the best music blogs

20:43:20 pankkake: !up BitPonzi

20:43:26 punkman: hmm any cross platform alternatives for Truecrypt?

20:43:36 punkman: seems like FreeOTFE has been abandoned

20:43:43 *: BitPonzi points at mircea_popescu Haha!

20:43:59 fluffypony: BitPonzi: be careful, man

20:44:11 Mats_cd03: no afaik, a problem that has yet to be remedied

20:44:12 fluffypony: he's likely to send death threats to you on Twitter

20:44:17 BitPonzi: lol

20:44:20 fluffypony: and then next minute, you'll be on Reddit

20:44:24 BitPonzi: cant believe they banned him

20:44:29 BitPonzi: over that

20:44:46 Mats_cd03: western sensibilities, you know

20:44:49 BitPonzi: andreas is a life loser

20:45:03 fluffypony: the best thing to do is for everyone to threaten Andreas

20:45:09 BitPonzi: lol

20:46:54 thestringpuller: we should all threaten Theymos

20:47:06 thestringpuller: for facilitating the sess pool

20:47:15 fluffypony: https://twitter.com/fluffyponyza/status/471754500651634688

20:47:16 assbot: /aantonop I'd feel remiss if I didn't also threaten your life. So...ummm...I'll...uhhhhh...throw gerbils at you until you suffocate!

20:47:16 fluffypony: there

20:47:17 thestringpuller: !up bitcoinhtx

20:47:21 pankkake: who's theymos?

20:47:23 fluffypony: much threat.

20:47:42 fluffypony: pankkake: duh, a thermos is a thing you put coffee in and it keeps it warm

20:48:15 pankkake: I put my water in it so it keeps cold, apparently I was wrong all along

20:52:57 kakobrekla: no more decency http://radiostudent.si/sites/default/files/slike/2014-05-26-offsajd-antiterorizem-po-kitajsko-27641.jpg

20:53:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.0192975 = 0.1158 BTC [+] {2}

20:53:38 Mats_cd03: https://soundcloud.com/rac/the-shins-sleeping-lessons-rac-mix

20:53:39 assbot: The Shins - Sleeping Lessons (RAC Mix) by RAC on SoundCloud - Hear the worlds sounds

20:53:41 fluffypony: that's my kinda army!

20:54:43 Mats_cd03: pankkake: mod on /r/bitcoin and collector of substantial donations on its behalf

20:55:08 pankkake: oh, thermos, right

20:55:55 pankkake: maged also a mod on both /r/bitcoin and scamtalk

21:03:24 thestringpuller: didn't jurov make a bitcoin-assets reddit?

21:03:40 jurov: no i wanted to take it over

21:03:47 jurov: but don't have the karma

21:04:14 thestringpuller: i had the karma and submitted a request but never got a response...

21:04:22 thestringpuller: dunno whatever happened with that

21:04:24 pankkake: fun fact: http://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinStocks/ has #bitcoin-assets in sidebar

21:04:27 assbot: BitcoinStocks

21:04:53 jurov: ok i forgot it was you who wanted to help... so you need to be more persistent

21:05:46 thestringpuller: i'll follow up tonight then

21:05:55 thestringpuller: pester the rettitard admins

21:07:20 pankkake: !up belcher

21:07:40 belcher: is there a way to get voice if i havent been voiced on entry?

21:07:53 belcher: sometimes i feel like saying something, but arnt voiced so just say screw it

21:07:53 thestringpuller: ;;gettrust assbot belcher

21:07:54 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user belcher: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=belcher | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=belcher | Rated since: never

21:07:58 thestringpuller: no

21:08:03 thestringpuller: you need WoT

21:08:18 belcher: so at least one rating

21:08:19 pankkake: there are two: ask someone is assbot trust, or get yourself in the wot and get rated you can up yourself

21:10:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0975 = 0.2925 BTC [+]

21:10:57 thestringpuller: ;;gettrust assbot Duffer1

21:10:58 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Duffer1: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Duffer1 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Duffer1 | Rated since: Fri Dec 13 04:23:08 2013

21:11:23 thestringpuller: ;;ident Duffer1

21:11:23 gribble: Nick 'Duffer1', with hostmask 'Duffer1!~Duffer1@c-98-232-231-188.hsd1.or.comcast.net', is identified as user 'Duffer1', with GPG key id D5B0A00741A54A60, key fingerprint 68D283ADB0688306D98C5BE0D5B0A00741A54A60, and bitcoin address 1MHKhfiC7AgZdErt9b8xkXbcKoWSxPjJgG

21:11:25 thestringpuller: lol

21:11:28 thestringpuller: hi Duffer1

21:11:30 Duffer1: ^.^

21:11:44 pankkake: Duffer1's not in assbutt l1?

21:12:14 Duffer1: ;;gettrust Duffer1

21:12:14 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask Duffer1!~Duffer1@c-98-232-231-188.hsd1.or.comcast.net. Trust relationship from user Duffer1 to user Duffer1: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=Duffer1&dest=Duffer1 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Duffer1 | Rated since: Fri Dec 13 04:23:08 2013

21:12:56 Duffer1: how is assets this afternoon?

21:13:12 BingoBoingo: Duffer1: Ass as usual

21:13:29 thestringpuller: berry punny

21:15:48 kakobrekla: http://in.reuters.com/article/2014/05/27/us-ibm-china-idINKBN0E70GG20140527

21:15:48 assbot: China pushing banks to drop IBM servers in hacking dispute - report| Reuters

21:18:27 asciilifeform: RIP truecrypt ?

21:18:45 BingoBoingo: http://in.reuters.com/article/2014/05/26/uk-india-politics-wife-idINKBN0E60X920140526

21:18:45 assbot: Secret service to end rural anonymity for Modi's wife| Reuters

21:18:52 BingoBoingo: Looks like Truecrypt is over.

21:21:35 BingoBoingo: http://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/265yns/million_lines_of_code/cho3xhz

21:21:38 assbot: agenaille comments on Million Lines of Code

21:22:49 asciilifeform: http://truecrypt.sourceforge.net/

21:22:50 assbot: TrueCrypt

21:22:52 asciilifeform: ^ lol

21:23:27 asciilifeform: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7812133

21:23:28 assbot: TrueCrypt suggesting migration to BitLocker? | Hacker News

21:23:34 asciilifeform: 'There's a new binary that recommends moving to BitLocker during install, and the signature matches.'

21:24:04 asciilifeform: 'Another possibility - the author was required by a court order to provide a backdoor for unfettered access to truecrypt disk, and to not disclose the existence of the order.'

21:24:19 asciilifeform: that'd be an interesting way to 'kill canary'

21:24:40 asciilifeform: say, 'attention dear users: we now fuck goats. have a pleasant day.'

21:25:41 punkman: lol

21:25:44 BingoBoingo: I guess a lot of people are going to have to return to keeping their hard drives suspended by string over a bucket of Aqua Regia

21:26:00 fluffypony: asciilifeform: see convo earlier re: truecrypt...something is weird

21:26:04 fluffypony: interesting

21:26:05 fluffypony: I never thought of it in the canary context

21:26:57 asciilifeform: truecrypt was always a strange beast (very peculiar distribution license, etc)

21:27:00 Mats_cd03: i spent a moment imagining what /r/bitcoin would be like with b-a mods

21:27:31 BingoBoingo: Mats_cd03: Probably closed with a last post of "Forums suck socks"

21:27:40 Mats_cd03: it'd probably stay open for 2 years and then get locked to read-only, 'cept for people in WoT

21:27:41 punkman: is there something that can do file containers with gpg?

21:28:11 asciilifeform: punkman: gpg isn't really built for use as raw block device

21:28:49 pankkake: I guess you could do file level encryption with gpg, but… there are probably better solutions

21:29:10 pankkake: http://ecryptfs.org/about.html

21:29:12 asciilifeform: good chances the author of truecrypt has been nailgunned.

21:30:08 pankkake: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EncFS is multiplatform

21:30:08 assbot: EncFS - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

21:30:46 asciilifeform: encfs leaks side-channel data.

21:31:01 asciilifeform: (e.g. file sizes, access times, etc)

21:31:03 BingoBoingo: An interesting S.NSA widget would be an inline drive encryptor with physical key.

21:31:21 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: cardano is, in a sense, this

21:31:29 pankkake: yeah… it has some disadvantages compared to full disk encryption

21:31:40 asciilifeform: (with sd rather than external mechanical disk)

21:33:07 mircea_popescu: pankkake: not suppository? <<< ahahaa zing.

21:33:08 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Cardano is indeed the propotype of such a thing. I'm thinking somthing like those hard to find widgets that occupy a 5.25" bay in a computer case.

21:33:12 mircea_popescu: !up bitcoinhtx

21:33:21 mircea_popescu: an d who was bitponzi

21:33:34 BingoBoingo: !up bitponzi

21:33:49 BingoBoingo: No idea who bitponzi was.

21:34:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2000 @ 0.00089054 = 1.7811 BTC [-]

21:34:26 fluffypony: pirateat40

21:34:34 diametric: ugh

21:34:37 fluffypony: guessing

21:34:44 diametric: everything I use is encrypted with truecrypt

21:34:59 diametric: now i have to waste time figuring out alternatives

21:35:06 mircea_popescu: assbot: Israeli (IDF) female soldiers girls dancing with guns and underwear << i dun get what the big scandxal is. if they had any sense they'd allow victoria's secret make an optional uniform for women in the service.

21:35:36 mircea_popescu: a regiment of topless-bikini camo clad chicks'd prolly kill

21:35:39 mircea_popescu: in more ways than one

21:35:52 mircea_popescu: diametric, truecrypt was kinda the suck.

21:36:09 mircea_popescu: last i said this a year ago consensus ended upo being "yeah but not much alternative"

21:36:29 pankkake: http://www.notrecinema.com/images/filmsi/bikini-bandits_146542_7391.jpg

21:36:49 BingoBoingo: http://www.addonics.com/category/cipherchain.php

21:36:49 assbot: Addonics Category: CipherChain

21:36:50 pankkake: truecrypt has been know as a shady unaudited mess of code for years

21:37:49 pankkake: BingoBoingo: NIST certified!!!

21:37:57 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller: we should all threaten Theymos << mass solutions, kinda meh

21:38:21 BingoBoingo: pankkake: Think how awesome a cardano keyed alternative would be.

21:38:44 BingoBoingo: http://www.addonics.com/products/ccm35mk1-2.php

21:38:45 assbot: Addonics Product: CipherChain Kit for 3.5" drive bay

21:38:47 mircea_popescu: pankkake, like thaqt except those women don't look like they could a) operate the hardware ; b) drag it around in the sun for 16 hours.

21:38:55 mircea_popescu: actual military chicks, diff story.

21:39:00 pankkake: I don't really see the point. I'll do the encryption software, and encrypt the key with the cardano

21:39:22 mircea_popescu: pankkake, actually, you can use the cardano to generate a multi-mb otp, keep it encrypted

21:39:28 diametric: mircea_popescu: yeah i agree, it was the best of the suck.

21:39:44 mircea_popescu: as long as you always regen your otps it's as unbreakable as it gets, and your decrypt function is simply bytexor or we

21:39:48 BingoBoingo: pankkake: Somethings are better handed off to hardware.

21:40:57 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla:

21:40:58 mircea_popescu: no more decency http://radiostudent.si/sites/default/files/slike/2014-05-26-offsajd-antiterorizem-po-kitajsko-27641.jpg <<< ahahaha omfg i spilled

21:41:06 kakobrekla: ;)

21:44:38 mircea_popescu: so what happens if trhe terrorists turn on a huge fan on the side ?

21:44:49 mircea_popescu: do the mooks just sorta beep on their side ?

21:46:08 pankkake: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=629399.0

21:46:08 assbot: [URGENT] CoSign Coin Fraudulently Listed on Bitcoin Bourse - NO IPO

21:46:16 mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03: i spent a moment imagining what /r/bitcoin would be like with b-a mods << actually cool.

21:46:28 mircea_popescu: anyone with a reddit presence want to start a subreddit ?

21:46:37 mircea_popescu: like say /r/bitcoin-nonsuck or w/e.

21:46:56 mircea_popescu: then ban anyone who posts retarded shit.

21:47:13 mircea_popescu: also ban all the reddit mods just for good measure.

21:47:21 pankkake: /r/bitcoin-fascism ?

21:47:59 mircea_popescu: pankkake: I guess you could do file level encryption with gpg, but? there are probably better solutions << i still don't get why anyone thinks container encryption is a thing or makes sense

21:48:04 mircea_popescu: seems to me a helicopter submarine.

21:48:16 mircea_popescu: pankkake, yea that. or bitcoin-privilege

21:48:19 mircea_popescu: bitcoin-1%

21:48:21 pankkake: on nice

21:48:25 pankkake: much better

21:48:47 pankkake: container level encryption is a compromise

21:48:52 diametric: i have a moderate reddit presence but not the attention span

21:48:55 mircea_popescu: anyway, if one must have container encryption, use the fucking tools. make a tarball that you gpg encrypt

21:49:01 mircea_popescu: it's both a file and a container

21:49:15 mircea_popescu: there's fucking reasons tar ended up the way it did, and they have to do with 30+ years of actual use in the field.

21:49:31 assbot: [MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 8000 @ 0.00021726 = 1.7381 BTC [+]

21:49:48 pankkake: doesn't work to back up 10 TB of files. I need the right layering

21:50:00 pankkake: backup and update the backup

21:50:07 mircea_popescu: tar will update.

21:50:22 mircea_popescu: and i doubt it works any less than your system works anyway.

21:50:32 pankkake: I use ZFS snapshots

21:50:33 mircea_popescu: prolly byte for byte mor efficient than truecrypt or anything else.

21:51:04 pankkake: my other backups are dar|xz|gpg. but not the big one

21:51:14 mircea_popescu: !up Dimsler

21:51:17 Dimsler: really

21:51:20 Dimsler: thats very interesting

21:51:28 Dimsler: i'm actually hesitant about using TC containers

21:51:35 Dimsler: i only use TC for full level encryptioin

21:51:47 asciilifeform: make a tarball that you gpg encrypt << tehsuck. decrypts to plaintext buffer (!) on disk for add/modify

21:51:50 pankkake: there's no reason to use trucrypt over cryptsetup

21:52:06 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, doesn't have to. you can give it a ramdisk

21:52:23 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: certainly.

21:52:39 mircea_popescu: im just saying you know ? the tools are there, one doesn't actually need a particular packaging thereof

21:52:43 asciilifeform: but naive user will hang himself with own gun

21:52:56 mircea_popescu: one DEFINITELY doesn't want a populr packaging that's too likely to be attacked anyway

21:53:09 Dimsler: yeah i know

21:53:11 Dimsler: thats true

21:53:23 pankkake: it's what http://www.passwordstore.org/ does. when edited, it's on /dev/shm

21:53:24 assbot: Pass: The Standard Unix Password Manager

21:53:37 mircea_popescu: even if it were proper open sourcde (which truecrypt never really was) the entire "oh million of eyes" is a total myth.

21:53:50 mircea_popescu: like if a woman was washed by the FOSS, her nipples and vulva would be very clean

21:53:57 pankkake: it's great, it's secure, but again, not for a 10 TB backup of millions of files with frequent updated and history

21:53:59 asciilifeform: 'don't blame the mice' (obligatory)

21:54:03 midnightmagic: e.g. debian openssl fiasco

21:54:04 mircea_popescu: and her armpits and behind ears would grow new fucking strains of unbeforeseen molds

21:54:06 mircea_popescu: !up ccr_

21:54:16 Dimsler: but from what i gather the full drive encryption from truecypt is unhackable?

21:54:34 midnightmagic: ahhh ha ha ha, old school speculative fiction

21:54:43 mircea_popescu: Dimsler, i don't see it.

21:54:49 pankkake: all full disk encryption schemes have flaws

21:54:57 jurov: Dimsler: they were able to recover outlines from encrypted JPEG files

21:55:02 pankkake: and truecrypt is one of the less audited. just no reason to even risk it

21:55:10 asciilifeform: jurov: misconception. this was 'codebook mode' aes

21:55:14 jurov: that was supposedly fixed, but did not go deeper into

21:55:33 Dimsler: i've been using the 2 encryptions

21:55:36 Dimsler: two-fish and aes

21:55:43 mircea_popescu: isnt twofish aes ?

21:55:55 asciilifeform: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Block_cipher_mode_of_operation#Electronic_codebook_.28ECB.29

21:55:55 assbot: Block cipher mode of operation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

21:55:57 Dimsler: twofish was first

21:55:58 Dimsler: i think

21:55:59 asciilifeform: ^ see penguin example

21:56:07 pankkake: http://sockpuppet.org/blog/2014/04/30/you-dont-want-xts/

21:56:08 assbot: You Don't Want XTS — Quarrelsome

21:56:09 asciilifeform: twofish was submitted as an aes candidate

21:56:12 midnightmagic: aes is rijndael

21:56:37 Dimsler: whats the best to use for a container

21:56:54 midnightmagic: one of the simplest is just a plain luks crypted vol

21:57:13 midnightmagic: plus you can use stacked volume layering to stuff it into a raid config

21:57:30 jurov: under windows? or mac?

21:58:01 mircea_popescu: luks is prolly one of the better choices acutally

21:58:09 jurov: i also use ecryptfs where wholedisk is not possible... but it is too linuxonly

21:58:14 mircea_popescu: i think its lack of popularity has a lot to do with its usefulness.

21:58:17 Dimsler: luks is dm-crypt?

21:58:28 midnightmagic: actively maintained, kernel supported.

21:58:29 pankkake: luks is a header format for dm-crypt

21:58:47 midnightmagic: luks is accessed/used via cryptsetup(8)

21:58:47 pankkake: and I wouldn't call it unpopular

21:59:01 mircea_popescu: suopposedly faster than ecrypot too

21:59:20 mircea_popescu: ;;google schneier luks

21:59:21 gribble: Schneier on Security: Full-Disk Encryption Works: https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2011/12/full-disk_encry.html; Schneier on Security: Auditing TrueCrypt: https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2014/04/auditing_truecr.html; Schneier on Security: Protecting Your Privacy at International Borders: https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2012/01/protecting_your_1.html

21:59:22 midnightmagic: the nice thing is you can wreck the whole volume just by killing the corresponding luks slot.

21:59:39 asciilifeform: i'd say misconception here - software doesn't fall apart from overuse. but there are forces at work to ensure that derpatronics become popular, vs. actually solid products.

21:59:51 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, exactly.

21:59:57 midnightmagic: i don't know ecrypot..

21:59:59 *: midnightmagic goes to look

22:00:11 mircea_popescu: midnightmagic, ecrypt omg

22:00:14 asciilifeform: e.g.:

22:00:16 asciilifeform: http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/capitalbusiness/encryption-company-silent-circle-creator-of-blackphone-raises-30-million/2014/05/21/0f9f0820-e103-11e3-8dcc-d6b7fede081a_story.html

22:00:17 assbot: Encryption company Silent Circle, creator of Blackphone, raises $30 million - The Washington Post

22:00:17 midnightmagic: oh

22:00:26 pankkake: I use luks/dm-crypt and GELI (the FreeBSD equivalent)

22:01:15 asciilifeform: anyone who thinks 30m bezollars are permitted to fall into a pocket disfavoured by the crown - i've a bridge to sell to.

22:01:45 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, i shall interestedly propose the heuristic "were they banned on twitter"

22:01:49 midnightmagic: pankkake: How is GELI to use anyway?

22:01:49 mod6: wth?!

22:02:18 pankkake: pretty simple. supports keys, passwords, many encryption schemes

22:02:21 kakobrekla: oh right, Schneier also has a beard.

22:02:22 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: too easy. soon you'll trigger a wave of scamzors getting themselves banned to earn 'l33t street cred.

22:02:28 mod6: i must be laaaaaaaaged

22:02:56 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, i imagine there's some interest against mass bannings. moreover, you aleways want to allign the creed leeching of scammers with your agenda.

22:03:16 mircea_popescu: spo let tens and tens of indians and somali kids twitter undesirable words, it's not a bad net result.

22:03:24 asciilifeform: lol

22:03:25 mircea_popescu: mod6, what\s up

22:03:47 *: asciilifeform remembers facing pediwikian firing squad as a hardened spammer

22:07:03 asciilifeform: re: 'addonics cipherchain' - mystery meat. and see where they want to generate keys for you.

22:11:07 mircea_popescu: myeah.

22:11:11 mircea_popescu: !up rum234

22:12:07 mircea_popescu: i suppose one of the best ways to go, actually, would be to embed the encryption in the drive.

22:12:17 mircea_popescu: have a slot on the thing where end user plugs his own chip

22:12:42 mircea_popescu: decent way to generate terrabytes of prng data on the fly too

22:13:31 asciilifeform: remember the fellow who booted linux on a dead hdd's controller pcb?

22:13:32 asciilifeform: http://spritesmods.com/?art=hddhack

22:13:33 assbot: Sprites mods - Hard disk hacking - Intro

22:13:46 asciilifeform: (i did some work in this area myself a few years ago. nothing usefully publishable.)

22:13:46 mircea_popescu: mhm

22:13:57 asciilifeform: unfortunately, intimately specific to make/model of disk.

22:14:11 mircea_popescu: but i mean, how hard would this be, just a pluggable microsd.

22:14:19 mircea_popescu: user can populate it with w/e he wants.

22:14:25 mircea_popescu: entire thing is used as block chipher

22:14:46 asciilifeform: this'd call for an entirely open hdd design, something we're unlikely to see

22:15:40 mircea_popescu: depends. btc = 500 death threats, btc = 500k own computer parts factories

22:16:16 kakobrekla: yeah, unlikely.

22:16:25 mircea_popescu: took ~4 years to go from 0,001 to 500, will it need 4 more to go to 500k ?

22:17:00 asciilifeform: 500k btc -> i build cuprous oxide fab in bucky dome in back yard.

22:17:16 asciilifeform: patagonian back yard.

22:22:34 mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mod6, what\s up << haha, nothin. just saw like 69,000 lines go by in like 2 seconds. BLOOOP.

22:22:51 ThickAsThieves: Mats_cd03, mom says: Surgery may be better now than in 1999. If you wait too many years, the nerve becomes permanently damaged and surgery won't help. No way to know in advance though. For immediate relief, cold compress works best or cool hand soaks. Store bought braces may work. The stiffest braces are best and sleeping with them gives the nerves a rest and that may be enough. Go to

22:22:51 ThickAsThieves: a medical supply place, not CVS (drug store).

22:23:13 ThickAsThieves: Custom ones are the most comfortable. An orthopedic has to prescribe it. They wet a sheet of thick plastic, mold it to your hands and let it dry. There are no seams, have Velcro closures, and your wrists are positioned at exactly the right angle for relief. Also, try sleeping with your hands resting on pillows, without braces, hard to maintain through the night though.

22:23:30 ThickAsThieves: If braces are worn during off time and at night, there usually is no need to wear them during the day. It may take a month or so for it to subside. Heat is NOT good. Hope this helps. Also...avoid repetetive hand movements and relax hands every 15 minutes, easy to say...

22:23:57 asciilifeform: in other news,

22:23:58 asciilifeform: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/05/blinding-light-the-us-crackdown-on-not-so-harmless-laser-strikes

22:23:59 assbot: Blinding light: The US crackdown on not-so-harmless laser strikes | Ars Technica

22:27:27 asciilifeform: this looks just like the other pieces on the subject, but sheds some light on the actual reason for the draconian punishments:

22:27:38 asciilifeform: small laser blinds polizei 'flir' cameras.

22:27:52 asciilifeform: wouldn't want uppity peasants to get ideas.

22:28:55 asciilifeform: tried to blind a flir drone? gasenwagen.

22:32:24 cgcardona: hey everyone o/

22:36:05 cgcardona: the header on fraudsters changed again? i thought it was once a quarter

22:39:10 midnightmagic: ./w 2

22:43:51 BingoBoingo: !up Pierre_Rochard

22:44:02 BingoBoingo: !up darlidada

22:44:10 BingoBoingo: !up knotwork

22:44:17 BingoBoingo: !up skinnkavaj

22:44:25 BingoBoingo: !up stickie

22:45:04 cgcardona: up up and away

22:47:20 BingoBoingo: http://spritesmods.com/?art=swordfish

22:47:21 assbot: Sprites mods - Damocles' Swordfish - Intro

22:48:17 Mats_cd03: asciilifeform: lol

22:49:49 Mats_cd03: 14 fucking years. what.

22:50:33 asciilifeform: the 'poor, suffering pilots' are an idiot cover story.

22:50:37 asciilifeform: now we know for what.

22:51:10 asciilifeform: the pieces fall into place nicely.

22:51:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 102 @ 0.00410012 = 0.4182 BTC [-] {2}

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22:53:59 ThickAsThieves: http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/05/28/berkshire-owned-real-estate-brokerage-pays-500000-fine/?mod=MarketsMain

22:53:59 assbot: Berkshire-Owned Real Estate Brokerage Pays $500,000 Fine - MoneyBeat - WSJ

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22:58:30 cgcardona: ;;ticker

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23:47:40 jurov: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=629399 here we go

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23:53:13 BingoBoingo: http://np.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/26on56/episode_ii_attack_of_the_neckbeards/cht37yz

23:53:14 assbot: NoThisIsActuallyGood comments on Episode II: Attack of the Neckbeards.

23:56:33 BingoBoingo: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/26o47f/please_report_this_person_to_twitter_they_are/chtbduk

23:56:33 assbot: omgitsmiley comments on Please report this person to twitter. They are threatening Andreas saying they will kill him.