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00:00:29 TheNewDeal: original yes on the brk-a bet is yielding 17.5%, not bad at all

00:06:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2050 @ 0.00084348 = 1.7291 BTC [-]

00:36:05 nubbins`: ;;view 21351

00:36:07 gribble: #21351 Mon Aug 25 19:39:07 2014 nubbins` SELL 1.0 'What is Bitcoin?' silkscreened art print @ 35 USD (18x24", 5-color silkscreen on white Cougar acid-free paper, limited edition of 50, pre-order price only, shipping week of August 31, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=756955.0)

00:36:08 nubbins`: ^^ only 16 left

00:38:43 TheNewDeal: nice!

00:42:20 TheNewDeal: how much does it cost to laminate nubbins` ?

00:42:23 TheNewDeal: ;)

00:42:28 nubbins`: THE FUCK

00:42:29 nubbins`: ;(

00:42:34 TheNewDeal: just trolling

00:42:46 TheNewDeal: ima get mine framed

00:44:15 nubbins`: atta guy

00:46:39 TheNewDeal: mp bought 50?

00:55:50 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: like i ain't got enough to do with van already << yeah like that lol. hey, beats unemployment, depression and doom.

00:56:09 BingoBoingo: The doom part isn't so bad

00:57:04 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ") While the site isn't as popular as during the early 2000s, the privately run discussion forum has continued and has its champions." << ha-ha. fark was popular in the 200s ? what is this, taking advantage of the noobness of the average internet user, "he wasn;t there so who;s to know" ?

00:57:18 mircea_popescu: windows 7 isn't as popular today as in the 2000s :D

00:59:11 mircea_popescu: NHTSA believes that V2V capability will not develop absent regulation, because there would not be any immediate safety benefits for consumers who are early adopters of V2V." <<< uhhh.... so then ?

00:59:27 mircea_popescu: and ffs, why put it on cars and light trucks ? put it on heavy trucks.

01:01:14 mircea_popescu: mod6: vol is actually 1.72 M, but seems to be rounding to 2M, should i just print full amount, or 1720k? << how about you print 1.72M

01:02:17 mircea_popescu: jurov: and no, i won't blog it, it was underwhelming in the end <<< this.

01:03:05 mircea_popescu: mike_c: they are really managing to screw up a decent wallet. <<< ya srsly, wtf is going on there.

01:03:35 mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal: original yes on the brk-a bet is yielding 17.5%, not bad at all << also underwater atm.

01:06:23 TheNewDeal: september, october, november, december, january, february... there's a bit of time

01:07:41 mircea_popescu: it's still underwater.

01:07:54 mircea_popescu: and the position that's actually prevailing atm returns 600% or something.

01:09:52 mircea_popescu: http://pastebin.com/8eKWtB1P check out this fuckwit lol.

01:09:53 assbot: Re:The real crime here (Score:5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday Augu - Pastebin.com

01:10:59 mircea_popescu: so because the us forces insane people into homelessness while medicating the shit out of kids and young adults that'd benefit immensely from a good beating,

01:11:15 mircea_popescu: how about everyone stops sending the likes of the usg bureaucracy to prison, too!

01:11:31 mircea_popescu: flawless logic.

01:15:42 cazalla: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Njt5FsU5Xc

01:15:42 assbot: Virtual rape hard to track in online gaming, police say - YouTube

01:17:03 mircea_popescu: ahahahHAHAHAHA

01:17:47 cazalla: i think i've heard it all now, how do you top virtual rape

01:18:06 mircea_popescu: WellGoodGames 13 hours ago sniff I was virtually murdered in call of duty and the police did nothing!

01:18:06 mircea_popescu: LasermanSteam2 hours ago Getting murdered in video games triggers me because it brings back the memories of me being murdered in real life.

01:19:08 TheNewDeal: losing my voice :(

01:19:20 mircea_popescu: ;;google losing my religion

01:19:21 gribble: Losing My Religion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Losing_My_Religion; R.E.M. - Losing My Religion (Official Music Video) - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=if-UzXIQ5vw; R.E.M. - Losing My Religion (Video) - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwtdhWltSIg

01:22:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3100 @ 0.00084135 = 2.6082 BTC [-]

01:35:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10668 @ 0.00084152 = 8.9773 BTC [+] {2}

01:37:07 mircea_popescu: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2118705/Photos-lost-phone-Chinese-gangster-bad-boy-lifestyle.html

01:37:08 assbot: Photos found on lost phone of 'Chinese gangster' show his bad-boy lifestyle | Mail Online

01:37:19 mircea_popescu: "This picture presumably shows a rival who has been beaten and is being humiliated by the man and his gang"

01:37:30 mircea_popescu: umm... no, it shows guy trying to get shoe on head prize.

01:39:50 mircea_popescu: meanwhile at white knight central, http://tallguy-64.deviantart.com/art/Humiliated-Black-and-White-265791060 "black and white version of a picture I did a while ago to help spread awareness of social injustice"

01:39:55 mircea_popescu: ah interwebs...

01:40:00 cazalla: wow, it gets better https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcNqdfL3AZM

01:40:00 assbot: Gamer harassed online after speaking out about 'virtual rape' - YouTube

01:40:38 mircea_popescu: did he get virtually raped ?

01:41:19 mircea_popescu: i wonder if all these despicable fucktards trying to get on the me-too rape gravy train realise how much damage they're doing to actual women actually getting raped.

01:42:07 mircea_popescu: we're literal years away from would-be starlets releasing their rape tape much like their grandmothers releases sex tapes in the 90s,

01:42:41 mircea_popescu: and from there to rape glamor is a short path indeed. and it will not be because what mp said about rape,

01:42:52 mircea_popescu: it'll be because of what social media fucktards said about it.

01:43:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17000 @ 0.0008432 = 14.3344 BTC [+] {2}

01:46:56 cazalla: well, they spoke to a rape counsellor in that 2nd video and she thinks this cyber rape is just as real as irl rape

01:47:54 cazalla: there was another chick a few months back claiming ptsd from twitter http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2605888/Woman-claims-PTSD-Twitter-cyberstalking-says-bit-war-veterans.html

01:47:55 assbot: Woman claims she has PTSD from Twitter and cyberstalking | Mail Online

01:55:56 BingoBoingo: http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-tsarnaev-bomb-threat-20140827-story.html << Speech in the USSA

01:55:56 assbot: Tsarnaev sister arrested on suspicion of making a bomb threat - LA Times

01:58:15 mircea_popescu: cazalla why wouldn't she ? if you spoke to a black country miner cca 1800 he'd think any hole in the ground is as much a mine as any other if it pays

01:58:32 mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mod6: vol is actually 1.72 M, but seems to be rounding to 2M, should i just print full amount, or 1720k? << how about you print 1.72M << yeah, I got it worked out :)

01:58:36 mod6: %v

01:58:38 atcbot: [X-BT VWAP] Bid: 175 Ask: 221 Last Price: 175 30d-Vol: 1.72M 30d-High: 250 30d-Low: 170 30d-VWAP: 198

01:58:42 mircea_popescu: nice!

01:59:01 assbot: usagi +v failed; L1: 0, L2: -5

01:59:06 mod6: thx. just took a bit of switching around, should be ok nao :]

01:59:31 mircea_popescu: <assbot> Woman claims she has PTSD from Twitter and cyberstalking | Mail Online <<< yeah, and im sure any guy with actual trechn exposure under artillery carpet bombing is more than happy to not smack her a coupla across the skull.,

02:00:17 mod6: i need to update the wiki

02:00:19 mircea_popescu: trivializing actual issues in a neverending quest for online cred is definitely working so well for everyone o.o

02:00:37 BingoBoingo: !up usagi

02:00:43 usagi: Did you miss the part where they said these were mod games (like garrysmod)? These aren't videos about attacks, they're videos about people making movies with mod tools.

02:01:12 usagi: The whole thing is a troll

02:01:21 BingoBoingo: So

02:01:46 mircea_popescu: you know calling trollage "a troll" makes baby jesus a cry.

02:02:41 asciilifeform: any one here read leo katz's books?

02:02:46 asciilifeform: (american jurist)

02:03:30 asciilifeform: 'why the law is so perverse' (2011) is a real riot.

02:04:57 cazalla: BingoBoingo, speaking of bomb threats https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nz8yLIOb2pU

02:04:57 assbot: The Creatures (Kootra) got SWAT Raided (SWATTED) #FreeKootra2014 - YouTube

02:06:42 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nope.

02:06:56 mod6: if anyone knows how to update the wiki I've got some updates: http://dpaste.com/1J7F4E3

02:06:57 assbot: dpaste: 1J7F4E3

02:07:03 mod6: I haven't seen moiety around in a while

02:07:09 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla mod6 should prolly be allowed neh ?

02:07:20 asciilifeform: mod6: i recall - she starved

02:07:27 mod6: asciilifeform: :(

02:08:09 mircea_popescu: "Why aren?t there any in-between verdicts?" << this cant be a good summary.

02:08:16 asciilifeform: bad summary.

02:08:25 mircea_popescu: the very fucking point of the legal system as an interllecual exercise is as a reality digitizer.

02:09:18 asciilifeform: the book is quite like the 'rule of law is a myth' piece (http://faculty.msb.edu/hasnasj/GTWebSite/MythWeb.htm - linked here a few times) except that katz hasn't let go of his religion yet

02:09:47 mircea_popescu: anyway, law as (mis)practiced in the us suffers greatly from a broken application. the legal system exists and is borne out of a wider social system based on hierarchy and personal sovereignity. such as, the classical monarchy.

02:09:48 asciilifeform: so he described the hilarious talmudic gymnastics he and his colleagues insist on to justify various things.

02:10:17 mircea_popescu: trying to make the law democratic by sourcing it in a parliament and applying it according to "what people think" can't possibly work and yhas no alternative but to degrade into soup

02:10:27 asciilifeform: the book is a beautiful illustration of this.

02:10:37 mircea_popescu: aite then :)

02:11:49 asciilifeform: (a good bit of it is devoted to the elaborate contortions jurists go through to dodge - unsuccessfully - godelization)

02:11:57 mircea_popescu: right.

02:12:26 mircea_popescu: in general anyone with a solid education reading enough law and praxis to form an opinion inescapably forms the opinion that "this shitpile is made by remarkably uneducated folks"

02:12:42 TheNewDeal: ;;golden shower

02:12:43 gribble: Error: "golden" is not a valid command.

02:12:47 TheNewDeal: ;;ud golden shower

02:12:48 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Golden%20Shower | The act of urinating on another person, usually for sexual gratification, or as a way of humiliation. More common than a Golden bath, where, during...

02:12:52 mircea_popescu: which... it is. just like code written picemeal by freelancer php developers will shock and amaze anyone who ever took a systems design class

02:13:16 mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal http://fraudsters.com/2011/moment-de-intimitate-n-baie/

02:13:18 assbot: Moment de intimitate-n baie pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

02:13:24 mircea_popescu: there is, ofcourse, a fraudsters article about this :D

02:13:37 TheNewDeal: that's not in my tongue!

02:13:40 asciilifeform: how many bladder-fulls in a 'golden bath' ?

02:13:55 asciilifeform: doubtful that merely one pisser could suffice

02:14:01 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's homeopathic dood. you piss and dilute.

02:14:07 asciilifeform: scam.

02:14:10 mircea_popescu: hahh

02:14:11 assbot: Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/36VBQ6R.txt )

02:14:11 mircea_popescu: !b 5

02:14:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14794 @ 0.00084229 = 12.4608 BTC [-] {3}

02:14:52 mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal it's not supposed to be on your tongue, it's supposed to be on hers.

02:15:04 asciilifeform: by that token, any bath taken in the chesapeake bay (a notoriously putrid body of water where i live) is golden.

02:15:11 TheNewDeal: :o

02:15:18 mircea_popescu: who is arguing against this ?

02:15:25 asciilifeform: lol not me.

02:15:47 mircea_popescu: http://www.leoslyrics.com/animaniacs/states-and-capitals-lyrics/

02:15:48 assbot: STATES AND CAPITALS - ANIMANIACS LYRICS

02:15:53 mircea_popescu: grep for "they have wonderful clam chowder"

02:16:00 asciilifeform: ahaha

02:17:02 mircea_popescu: i guess this is the birth of "clam chowder" as a slang way to denote piss, on the expectation that well... average cunt is delighted to chomp on a jet.

02:17:23 mod6: chomp(chowdah)

02:17:44 kakobrekla: mircea_popescu did he ask?

02:17:50 mircea_popescu: I WAS CVASIRAPED BY THE #BITCOIN-ASSETS LOGS!!!

02:17:58 mircea_popescu: mod6 you gotta sk to get wiki cred.

02:18:51 asciilifeform: dollars to doughnuts, american jurists are busy reaming the 'eggshell skull' doctrine to cover asciirape, etc.

02:18:51 mod6: hey kakobrekla, can I get access to the wiki so I can update for the recent bot changes? Also, I'd like to see about setting an anchor there so if someone actually clicks on that one link it'll take 'em to the correct bracket below.

02:19:26 kakobrekla: ok

02:19:31 mod6: cool!

02:20:37 RagnarDanneskjol: !s animaniacs

02:20:38 assbot: 12 results for 'animaniacs' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=animaniacs

02:20:48 mircea_popescu: o just the guy i wanted to see.

02:21:14 RagnarDanneskjol: hoo me?

02:21:59 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah well that caselaw is ridiculous bs and wouldn't stand.

02:22:01 mircea_popescu: !up degenerate

02:22:44 ben_vulpes: no you're not

02:23:15 kakobrekla: since im setting this up anyone else wants wiki access?

02:24:13 RagnarDanneskjol: yes

02:25:09 TheNewDeal: me too

02:25:29 kakobrekla: pm me your emails

02:26:16 dub: don't do it, scam

02:26:24 ben_vulpes: http://www.w3schools.com/php/php_file_upload.asp

02:26:24 assbot: PHP File Upload

02:26:26 TheNewDeal: ;;ident kakobrekla

02:26:27 gribble: Nick 'kakobrekla', with hostmask 'kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla', is identified as user 'kakobrekla', with GPG key id 27AF75321F2489E8, key fingerprint 27C3CE9A20851312F086268C27AF75321F2489E8, and bitcoin address None

02:26:27 ben_vulpes: php_file_upload

02:26:28 ben_vulpes: dot

02:26:30 ben_vulpes: asp

02:26:42 ben_vulpes: i found fractals in the fractals

02:26:56 mircea_popescu: shit dub lives ?!

02:27:05 ben_vulpes: "By using the global PHP $_FILES array you can upload files from a client computer to the remote server."

02:30:39 mircea_popescu: http://www.salon.com/1999/08/23/prisons_3/ << isn't it fascinating how different pre-2001 and post-2001 liberal media reads ?

02:30:40 assbot: Rape as a disciplinary tactic - Salon.com

02:35:25 penguirker: New blog post: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/08/27_city-of-bridges-here-and-there.html

02:37:07 assbot: xanthyos +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0

02:37:24 kakobrekla: !up xanthyos

02:37:29 kakobrekla: and with that im off . later

02:37:40 mod6: thanks kako!

02:37:49 xanthyos: donkdown freeroll, 380 registered of 315. "i am the most respected name in internet poker." (bryan micon)

02:38:43 mircea_popescu: ;;google most respected name in internet poker

02:38:43 gribble: NJ's Internet Poker Market on the Verge of a Breakthrough: http://njpokeronline.net/1397/nj-online-poker-traffic-report-growth-possible-june/; NJ Internet Poker Site Reviews Archives - New Jersey Poker Online: http://njpokeronline.net/category/reviews/; Best Internet Poker Sites - Online Poker Sites | PokerNews: http://www.pokernews.com/sites/

02:41:06 mod6: sweet, got the wiki updated easily. and got that link to point down to the atcbot section too. kewl

02:42:36 RagnarDanneskjol: I went straight for the bot edits too - wouldn't let me b/c you were in there. Neat

02:46:03 mircea_popescu: say DoctorBTC you have some visitors a la http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/08/25/a-law-enforcement-encounter-if-you-ran-a-bitcoin-related-service-before-the-thing-hit-100-you-prolly-ought-to-be-somewhat-concerned-andor-prepared/ ?

02:46:04 assbot: A Law Enforcement Encounter: If you ran a Bitcoin related service before the thing hit $100 you prolly ought to be somewhat concerned and/or prepared | Bingo Blog

02:46:09 mircea_popescu: !up sealsy

02:47:21 mod6: i added a WoT link to my name in that wiki page also - hope that was ok. I don't love that little globe that pops in there but w/e. Any thoughts?

02:49:23 mircea_popescu: link "?

02:52:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2408 @ 0.00084135 = 2.026 BTC [-]

02:53:52 mod6: mircea_popescu: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots << just updated some links in the atcbot top section, and cleaned up the bottom command section: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots#atcbot-commands

02:53:52 assbot: irc_bots [bitcoin assets wiki]

02:53:52 assbot: irc_bots [bitcoin assets wiki]

02:55:00 mod6: i linked this to my name in the page: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewgpg.php?nick=mod6

02:55:01 assbot: #bitcoin-otc gpg key data

02:56:04 mod6: all seems to work good.

02:56:57 mod6: !up devthedev

02:57:07 devthedev: Thanks (:

02:57:32 mod6: just don't make me regret it :}

02:57:37 devthedev: Bingo lives in the US right?

02:57:50 BingoBoingo: https://code.google.com/p/end-to-end/wiki/KeyDistribution

02:57:51 assbot: KeyDistribution - end-to-end - High level key distribution / key discovery plans. - End-To-End - Google Project Hosting

02:58:00 devthedev: *pokes BingoBoingo*

02:58:51 BingoBoingo: devthedev: Well, if I didn't the feds prolly wouldn't have been able to drive down from Peoria

02:59:27 devthedev: Yep, was just making sure.

02:59:34 asciilifeform: mandatory 'V2V' << if the bureaucrats simply wanted to enable self-driving cars in dense city traffic, optimized stoplights, etc. - they could mandate a simple radio beacon in tail light lamps (screw-in replacement.) doubt there'd be mass protest - it'd be a machine-vision-friendly version of the light cars are traditionally required to emit anyway. but (no prizes for guessing) - 'V2V' is not about automatic car

02:59:34 asciilifeform: s.

03:04:51 TheNewDeal: !s test

03:04:51 assbot: 1069 results for 'test' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=test

03:05:39 asciilifeform: (what's it about in reality? real-time tracking of all meat inventory. and, with a little more magic - your car is own gasenwagen when time comes.)

03:06:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6219 @ 0.00084372 = 5.2471 BTC [+]

03:11:38 assbot: xanthyos +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0

03:12:42 TheNewDeal: !up xanthyos

03:12:47 xanthyos: danielpbarron IS STREAMING LIVE ON http://www.donkdown.com/live-radio/ SPEAKING TO SEALSWITHCLUBS FRONTMAN BRYAN MICON LIVE LIVE LIVE

03:12:49 assbot: DonkDown – Live Radio

03:15:14 TheNewDeal: he's a professional gambler!!!

03:19:16 TheNewDeal: what is this trash?

03:20:15 xanthyos: this is the confidence game of a snake oil salesman

03:20:35 danielpbarron: he snapped me off clean :<

03:21:13 TheNewDeal: he sounds like an ass-clown to me

03:21:19 TheNewDeal: wish I would have caught the beginning of your chat

03:21:52 danielpbarron: he didn't keep me on long this time

03:22:56 danielpbarron: i didn't know about this thing he was promoting; it's some sort of FIAT denominated gambling somethingorother

03:24:08 xanthyos: "this is the second one back" << actually it's the third. the first involved a long discussion with dpb re: the wot

03:24:13 xanthyos: which got memory holed

03:30:47 TheNewDeal: yay, 6 years later I add !s to the wiki

03:35:01 TheNewDeal: !up smidge

03:37:38 TheNewDeal: smidge, have I mistaken you for someone who gives a fuck?

03:38:14 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> (what's it about in reality? real-time tracking of all meat inventory. and, with a little more magic - your car is own gasenwagen when time comes.) << they already had a pilot for this. amusingly, it was sold as an expensive ad on for luxury brands. northstar or something.

03:38:28 mircea_popescu: for a while there you could steal anyone's car just by pretending to be them, like with a twitter account

03:38:52 *: smidge slaps TheNewDeal around a bit with a large trout

03:40:27 BingoBoingo: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/08/federal-cybersecurity-official-going-to-jail-on-child-porn-charges/

03:40:27 assbot: Cybersecurity official uses Tor but still gets caught with child porn | Ars Technica

03:41:18 mircea_popescu: At around 5 am, on the morning of July 18, 1981, six weeks after getting out of prison, Jack Abbott and two women, Veronique de St. Andre and Susan Roxas, went to a small cafe called the Binibon, located at 79 Second Ave in Manhattan. Richard Adan, a 22-year-old aspiring actor and playwright, was there working as a waiter in his father-in-law's restaurant. Abbott got up from his table and asked Richard Adan to direct h

03:41:18 mircea_popescu: im to the toilet. Adan explained that the toilet could be reached only through the kitchen, and because the restaurant did not have accident insurance for customers, only employees could use the bathroom. Abbott argued with him. They took their dispute outside, where Abbott stabbed Adan to death.

03:41:35 mircea_popescu: dude, srsly ? mahattan coffee house with no urinal ? in 1981 ? what the fuck is wrong with this somalia.

03:43:16 BingoBoingo: Manhattan is the urinal

03:44:43 TheNewDeal: BingoBoingo they somehow take over a website, use it to deploy malware, and that defeats tor how?

03:44:47 mircea_popescu: see, this is why taking two girls to a cafe isn't such a big deal.

03:44:56 mircea_popescu: taking two girls eager to swallow if you need to take a leak however..

03:45:25 mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal you familiar with the concept of "parallel construction" ?

03:46:07 TheNewDeal: I'm just saying, tor wasn't supposed to prevent any of those things from happening (in my limited knowledge)

03:46:23 mircea_popescu: ;;google "parallel construction"

03:46:23 gribble: Parallel construction - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_construction; Parallel Form - Guide to Grammar and Writing: http://grammar.ccc.commnet.edu/grammar/parallelism.htm; How to Use Parallel Construction Correctly - Quick and Dirty Tips: http://www.quickanddirtytips.com/education/grammar/how-to-use-parallel-construction-correctly

03:46:34 TheNewDeal: it's as if the website owner himself started hosting malware on his site, then people downloaded

03:48:07 mircea_popescu: that's why the fbi untruthfully claims to have happened.

03:48:18 mircea_popescu: you know it's untruthfully because it's a usg agent.

03:49:01 TheNewDeal: I'm confused here. You don't think they were smart enough to deploy malware that would give away information?

03:49:41 mircea_popescu: not the contention.

03:50:08 mircea_popescu: they used their numerous tor holes and exploits, then claimed to have done what what you seem to believe.

03:51:44 BingoBoingo: It's no secret that the biggest open tor flaw is that anyone with enough tor nodes is going to often going to get some users traffic for all three steps

03:52:11 mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal lemme put this in more readily digestible terms for you.

03:52:47 mircea_popescu: you and a dozen friends all marry super-knockout trophy wives, living in a gated community called "the garden of eden", doing all sorts of fun shit.

03:53:11 mircea_popescu: one day a bunch of dudes come in, start raping the women and make the lot of you slurp the cum right out of their battered snatches.

03:53:12 TheNewDeal: this is getting incredibly off-topic, but feel free to continue

03:53:15 mircea_popescu: this last for a week or so.

03:53:45 mircea_popescu: what really happened is that a) they had the keys all along and b) had been tailing you all over town, listening in on your phone conversation, instant messaging and late night cuddle sessions

03:53:55 mircea_popescu: then they leave the door open on their way out.

03:54:20 mircea_popescu: at trial, it is established beyond reasonable doubt that your negligence in locking the door allowed "some bad people" to come and rape the lot of you, a week after it actually hapepned

03:54:31 mircea_popescu: and the police will more than happily try and find those bad people. sometime.

03:55:30 mircea_popescu: the actual events (police broke in and rape your fambly) are replaced by the parallel construction (someone came in and did it) on the turning point of "the door being left open".

03:55:49 mircea_popescu: an event that factually happened, but at the END of the police-led abuse, not at the beginning of the "unknown" led abuse posited in court paperwork.

03:56:01 asciilifeform: there is also the tired, old, mundane 'there is a kilo of cocaine in your toilet tank' theorem.

03:56:08 TheNewDeal: I think the first explanation is much more digestible

03:56:12 mircea_popescu: sure but that's too much effort.

03:56:14 asciilifeform: i.e. - on whose word are we to believe that mr. pedo is a pedo ?

03:56:24 mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal don't confuse digestion for simply passing things through the system untouched.

03:56:31 asciilifeform: that the packets left his machine as described, or, if they did, that his head had anything to do with it

03:56:43 asciilifeform: or that the contents of his confiscated disk were placed there by his hands

03:57:11 asciilifeform: or, for that matter, exist even in the evidence room, and not merely loaded for the occasion from the prosecutor's private collection.

03:57:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10356 @ 0.00084372 = 8.7376 BTC [+]

03:57:27 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well information wants to be free neh ?

03:57:47 asciilifeform: ^ above case strikes me as a textbook case of 'can have problems'

03:58:13 mircea_popescu: im waiting for the first presidential indictment.

03:58:26 mircea_popescu: hopefully a republican wins before the whole shebang collapses and we get to see it.

03:59:48 asciilifeform: the funny part is - consider, if it were generally known that, e.g, fbi, owned a cocaine teleporter (purpose-built) that specifically sends to toilet tanks - the arrestee could bring this possibility up as a defense

03:59:51 asciilifeform: and might stand a chance

04:00:16 asciilifeform: and - given what is known about 'wintel' - we have precisely this scenario

04:00:55 mircea_popescu: luckily there still can be found 12 people in any county that have nfi what computers are, and the judges, appendages of the state, are quite effectual at forbiding any courtroom instruciton.

04:01:07 asciilifeform: whether it will ever play out in a courtroom, or - 'defense attorneys can also have problems' - remains to be seen

04:01:18 asciilifeform: and, well, that.

04:01:28 mircea_popescu: moreover the machine generally is careful in avoiding messing with the sort of people that'd stomp it.

04:01:43 mircea_popescu: they tend to pick on poorly educated, poorly connected nobodies with priors.

04:02:18 asciilifeform: the bureaucrat - presumably had connections, education (or 'education'), clean record ?

04:02:43 mircea_popescu: consider the simple fact that any legal proceeding could be extended anywhere between six and ninety weeks by an endless parade of character evidence showing usg agents lieing, being required to lie, etc etc.

04:03:14 mircea_popescu: yet nobody is doing this. why isn't holder a constant prop in the courtroom, showing why any testimony by a police officer should be discounted by the jury ?

04:03:42 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform first of all you need balls.

04:04:01 mircea_popescu: no bureaucrat is ever going to pose problems anymore than any other random schmuck that signed the "plea bargain" is.

04:04:42 asciilifeform: it is a definite - if peculiar - biological fact - that being condemned to hang somehow doesn't cause people to sprout balls

04:06:21 mircea_popescu: how did the qute go,

04:06:23 mircea_popescu: "What an example to the proletariat! He had to die, anyway, so he might at least have died in a way that did the Party some good!"

04:07:03 asciilifeform: the 'moscow trials'

04:07:26 asciilifeform: http://www.executedtoday.com/2011/08/25/1936-grigory-zinoviev-and-lev-kamenev-old-bolsheviks

04:07:28 assbot: ExecutedToday.com » 1936: Grigory Zinoviev and Lev Kamenev, Old Bolsheviks

04:08:02 mircea_popescu: worst fucking career choice, joining the "people party". being a boxer is degree of magnitudes a smarter move.

04:08:27 mircea_popescu: now THERE'S a peculiar if well documented biological fact : how the fuck can such a drastically -ev strategy be and remain a schelling point.

04:09:12 mircea_popescu: answer : because women. pregnancy is also -ev, and yet women do it. the same psychological complexes that control that can also yield amusing social results.

04:09:58 asciilifeform: there is no solzhenitsyn among the honeybees, lamenting 'why don't we sting, if we're to die anyway'

04:11:28 mircea_popescu: so in the end, the government of the people by the people for the people, in its quest to not perish from this earth, became government of women, by women, for women.

04:11:34 mircea_popescu: and it's STILL perishing.

04:12:08 asciilifeform: but, to complete the metaphor - it ever hopes to birth the mythical beast that will save it.

04:12:28 asciilifeform: 'kommunism is coming in 1980!'

04:13:09 mircea_popescu: well, save it, kill it, wht the hell's the difference.

04:16:59 mircea_popescu: I have had the occasion to hear tranquil petty bourgeois tell me in the days between the beginnings of the trial and my internment: ?It?s impossible to understand Zinoviev ? He is so lacking in character!? And I would reply: ?Have you yourselves experienced the full weight of the pressure to which he has been subjected for a number of years?? Unintelligent in the extreme are the comparisons, so widespread i

04:16:59 mircea_popescu: n intellectual circles, of the conduct in court of Danton, Robespierre and others. These were the instances of revolutionary tribunes who found the knife of justice suspended over them, directly in the midst of the arena of struggle; at a time when they were in the full flower of their strength, with their nervous system almost untouched and, at the same time, when they despaired of all hope of salvation.

04:16:59 mircea_popescu: ?

04:17:01 mircea_popescu: [By contrast] For ten years they [Zinoviev and Kamenev] had been enveloped by clouds of slander paid for in heavy gold. For ten years they had swayed between life and death, first in a political sense, then in a moral sense, and lastly in a physical sense. Can one find in all past history examples of such systematic, refined and fiendish destruction of spines, nerves and all the fibers of the soul? Zinoviev or Kamenev

04:17:08 mircea_popescu: would have had more than ample character for a tranquil period. But the epoch of grandiose social and political convulsions demanded an extraordinary firmness of these men, whose abilities secured them a leading place in the revolution. The disproportion between their abilities and their wills led to tragic results.

04:17:19 mircea_popescu: worth a quote, he basically says what i've been saying to would-be "good citizens" to relatively little effect.

04:17:30 mircea_popescu: would be "good citizens" always know better, a la prikoke

04:20:11 TheNewDeal: !up pete_dushenski

04:22:02 mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzNPXQo3_DY << check that out, he lambasts the bureaucracy, etc.

04:22:02 assbot: Trotsky's Speech in Mexico (about the Moscow trials) - YouTube

04:23:28 pete_dushenski: https://blog.conformal.com/bip0064-not-yet/

04:23:29 assbot: BIP0064 – Not yet. | Conformal Systems, LLC.

04:23:38 pete_dushenski: looks like hearn hasn't hung up his cap yet

04:24:49 pete_dushenski: The Bitcoin Core team recently committed BIP0064, which adds two new commands to the protocol, getutxos and utxos. The getutxos command is used to request unspent transaction information based on the given outpoints, while the utxos command is the response. The BIP was authored by Mike Hearn who also provided the implementation for Bitcoin Core.

04:25:58 mircea_popescu: if anyone feels like doing some public research to show exactly how this can be used to breach the anonimity of compliant clients, by all means. you won't have to dig too deeply.

04:26:13 asciilifeform: student exercise.

04:28:43 mircea_popescu: not that anyone is actually using the power ranger implementation anyway, but as an academic point.

04:31:59 pete_dushenski: there can't be more than a few hundred madmen/children still updating bitcoind

04:32:41 asciilifeform: don't forget - careless linux n0obs

04:33:10 asciilifeform: who, e.g, 'emerge -uU world'

04:37:00 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski about the same people who "invested" in eth.

04:37:08 mircea_popescu: they "Exist" in the sense democrat voters "exist"

04:37:53 pete_dushenski: truly, they're lost in the ether ;)

04:39:01 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform bitcoin was taken out of main for this exact reason.

04:39:15 mircea_popescu: with the usg at the helm it really didn't belong anywhere near the common linux newb.

04:39:31 mircea_popescu: https://blog.conformal.com/bip0064-not-yet/#comment-668 << there we go.

04:39:32 assbot: BIP0064 – Not yet. | Conformal Systems, LLC.

04:40:05 mircea_popescu: http://pastebin.com/Jz4iau26 (until they actually approve comments. heh.)

04:40:05 assbot: Mike Hearn August 27, 2014 at 10:49 am I wont argue that btcd has bette - Pastebin.com

04:40:58 asciilifeform: lol!

04:41:07 mircea_popescu: it hasta be said.

04:41:33 mircea_popescu: the entire fucking echafaudage of shit piled upon shit strictly depends on "decorum" and nobody saying the things.

04:41:59 pete_dushenski: ESAD?

04:43:44 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu and solid lulz on the comments. wd.

04:44:40 mircea_popescu: ;;google ede stercem meum & mori.

04:44:41 gribble: No matches found.

04:44:48 mircea_popescu: useful as always google.

04:44:51 asciilifeform: lol

04:45:02 asciilifeform: 'eatshit&die'

04:45:06 BingoBoingo: http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-dev/logs/2014/08/27#l1409155575 lulzy

04:45:07 assbot: BitcoinStats

04:46:45 pete_dushenski: haha!

04:46:56 pete_dushenski: fucking comedy gold BingoBoingo

04:47:14 asciilifeform: what continues to astound me is the meticulously tended garden of a parallel universe where this discussion isn't happening, a 'computer' means 'wintel box', 'bitcoin economy' means 'coinbase' and 'bitpay', etc. - carries on just so. with the glossy magazines, free newspaper publicity 'so plentiful they can eat with their arses', etc.

04:47:45 BingoBoingo: this chan isn't the only one with logs holding gems pete_dushenski

04:47:45 pete_dushenski: it's as completely parallel as the fiat economy itself

04:47:53 pete_dushenski: and predicated on the same brain damage

04:48:04 pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: so it would seem :)

04:48:14 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform doesn't astound me in the slightest. it actually makes me quite happy.

04:48:20 pete_dushenski: brain damage like "All 70,000 residents living on the Caribbean nation of Dominica will be eligible to receive bitcoin as part of The Bit Drop project, an upcoming collaboration between bitcoin businesses, interest groups and local government officials."

04:48:40 pete_dushenski: i mean c'mon now

04:48:41 asciilifeform: this is like the zombies in, e.g, 'quake', when player lacks a grenade

04:48:43 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski lol the funny thing about these idiots is that they keep copying... the broken models.

04:48:59 mircea_popescu: hasn't keiser already tore himself a fifty asshole with his involvement in the icelandic coin scam ?

04:49:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13600 @ 0.00084072 = 11.4338 BTC [-] {2}

04:49:25 asciilifeform: ^ and a profusion of 'bobs' who can fuck goats round the clock and remain 'bridge builders'

04:49:27 mircea_popescu: i suppose next in line, neobee for a different island. since it worked so well the first time.

04:49:55 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform main reason why the universality of the wot is such an important prerequisite for a livable world and general hapiness.

04:49:55 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: don't think keiser is in on this island deal, looks like :

04:50:04 pete_dushenski: "Join Coinapult, Aspen Assurance, Bitcoin Beauties, and College Cryptocurrency Network for the first tropical Bitcoin party!"

04:50:26 pete_dushenski: http://www.btcbeauties.com << ok then

04:50:34 mircea_popescu: hearn right. i think that's the definition of a successful attack :) don't get me wrong. i'd like to see core restart itself if it crashes <<< riiight.

04:50:45 mircea_popescu: i bet he would. jesus fuck these people, always ready with the wrong thing.

04:51:04 ben_vulpes: "you're the one who told me to put it in the garbage, you should be the one to take it out, jerk"

04:51:19 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes waitwut ?

04:51:20 ben_vulpes: nuh uh

04:51:21 asciilifeform: 'Bit Drop project' << aha the old tired african chumpatron. lay siege to some pisshole, make 'international' stink, food is dropped from bombers. drive off would-be eaters at gunpoint, collect the crates, sell.

04:51:33 ben_vulpes: it's a non-sequiter

04:51:54 asciilifeform: 'donate btc to poor villagers!' - it'll work

04:52:01 asciilifeform: african work.

04:52:13 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: add white titties, mojitos, stir, serve

04:55:07 pete_dushenski: http://www.btcbeauties.com/#!antoniette/cfz7 << she's the closest to harem material but the rest are just… washed up

04:55:08 assbot: bitcoin-beauties-

04:55:12 decimation: asciilifeform: one wonders why enterprising individuals from civilized countries don't invade africa, clear out locals, and start a proper city-state

04:56:11 decimation: I suppose the immediate response of USG would be to crush such a project for being racis, etc

04:56:27 asciilifeform: decimation: you answered the question. usg owns it.

04:56:45 asciilifeform: uses it as a peculiar sort of human zoo.

04:56:45 decimation: there isn't a spot on the globe that can be colonized without usg's tacit permission

04:57:06 decimation: right, this implies that usg is directly responsible for the derpage worldwide

04:58:09 pete_dushenski: decimation: clear out the locals? and miss out on all that cheap cheap labour?

04:58:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10500 @ 0.00084412 = 8.8633 BTC [+] {2}

04:58:38 decimation: pete_dushenski: well, it's true that that was how most of africa & south america were run for a few centuries

04:58:39 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: ask the chinese why they're shipping in own labourers in their modest, semi-clandestine african colonies.

04:59:08 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: trust? or rather, lack thereof?

04:59:13 decimation: asciilifeform: once again, the real reason is that the measures required to get the locals to work for you would be forbidden by usg

04:59:35 asciilifeform: precisely. the africans are subjects of the reptiliate.

05:00:26 asciilifeform: and, as such, go to its tender mercies.

05:01:31 pete_dushenski: http://www.business.gov.au/news-and-updates/News-and-features/Pages/bitcoin-for-businesses.aspx

05:01:34 assbot: Bitcoin for Businesses: Digital Currency Guide | business.gov.au

05:02:03 mircea_popescu: !up aEnima

05:02:14 pete_dushenski: speaking of oz, can anyone recommend a good restaurant or two in sydney or melbourne?

05:02:23 mircea_popescu: <decimation> asciilifeform: one wonders why enterprising individuals from civilized countries don't invade africa, clear out locals, and start a proper city-state << !s balls

05:02:32 pete_dushenski: other than cazalla, i can't remember who's all down under

05:03:03 decimation: mircea_popescu: if they had balls + enough money to purchase decent defenses, USG wouldn't be able to do much

05:03:12 decimation: except derp on TV

05:03:16 mircea_popescu: no, if they had the balls.

05:03:21 cazalla: pete_dushenski, cookie in melbourne is nice, food is good but the cocktails are A+, http://cookie.net.au/

05:03:22 assbot: - Cookie Beer Hall Melbourne

05:03:26 mircea_popescu: !s bus ticket

05:03:27 assbot: 4 results for 'bus ticket' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=bus+ticket

05:03:56 mircea_popescu: <decimation> asciilifeform: once again, the real reason is that the measures required to get the locals to work for you would be forbidden by usg << not so. the locals are just shitty stock.

05:04:29 mircea_popescu: "the measures that it'd take getting african americans to outcompete azns out of us tech colleges". heh. what measures, tell me ?

05:04:44 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Vexual?

05:05:50 pete_dushenski: cazalla: nice. is there a cocktail in particular that you'd recommend?

05:05:57 pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: possibly ?

05:06:20 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Vexual is an Aussie

05:06:43 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: lol well tech colleges still need varsity athletes

05:06:55 pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: a ok

05:07:15 cazalla: pete_dushenski, nfi they all have fancy names and change the menu, many of them are great though (i have not been in a while though having a kid and all)

05:07:23 cazalla: there is also the cigar bar in hawthorn

05:07:29 cazalla: they make great whiskey sours

05:07:38 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski amusingly, that's the premiere employment the locals get in the chinese colony towns. they ship whores in, but when it comes to sports local kids get the job.

05:07:45 pete_dushenski: ;;later tell vexual please to recommend restaurants in sydney, melbourne, or geographically in between :)

05:07:45 gribble: The operation succeeded.

05:08:11 cazalla: http://www.yelp.com.au/biz/baranows-hawthorn

05:08:12 assbot: Baranows - Hawthorn Victoria | Yelp

05:08:12 pete_dushenski: cazalla: a cool. well ty.

05:10:25 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: heh well waddya know

05:20:44 BingoBoingo: !up up-me-please-lin

05:20:49 up-me-please-lin: regarding the repurposing of africa:

05:20:49 up-me-please-lin: http://psychology.uwo.ca/faculty/rushtonpdfs/2008%20Med%20Hypotheses.pdf

05:20:50 up-me-please-lin: http://fraudsters.com/2013/a-very-unfair-perspective/

05:20:51 assbot: A very unfair perspective. pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

05:20:51 up-me-please-lin: http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2007/08/country-that-used-to-exist.html

05:20:52 assbot: Unqualified Reservations: The country that used to exist

05:21:40 decimation: wow, a troll who - contributes to the conversation?

05:22:57 decimation: one wonders how many anonymous friends #b-a has out there...

05:25:40 RagnarDanneskjol: a great many

05:31:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8342 @ 0.00084046 = 7.0111 BTC [-] {2}

05:40:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2118 @ 0.00084444 = 1.7885 BTC [+]

05:50:42 mircea_popescu: decimation why a troll ?

05:51:23 TheNewDeal: was wondering the same

05:52:08 RagnarDanneskjol: the nick is mildly trollish

05:54:12 mircea_popescu: why ?

05:55:31 RagnarDanneskjol: b/c it compels one to take action I suppose. i dunno

06:00:12 BingoBoingo: %v

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06:24:34 Naphex: o/

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07:30:32 mircea_popescu: o hey napedia

07:30:33 mircea_popescu: oops

07:30:37 mircea_popescu: o hey Naphex

07:30:41 mircea_popescu: how was vacation ?

07:35:55 BingoBoingo: http://izismile.com/2013/05/21/morning_picdump_54_pics-1.html

07:35:55 assbot: Morning Picdump (54 pics) - Picture #1 - Izismile.com

07:39:02 mircea_popescu: http://img.izismile.com/img/img6/20130521/640/morning_picdump_358_640_02.jpg not bad

07:51:51 mircea_popescu: The "talks" were resumed. Elsewhere in Africa things were about normal?for Africa. There was a coup here and there (140), Zambia committed transport hara-kiri (137), some lively Somali border skirmishing produced its quota of casualties, summary "justice" was administered in the Congo (107), and about 1,000 Ugandans were bumped off by Premier Obote (119)?nothing really serious enough to warrant the attention of a

07:51:51 mircea_popescu: UN preoccupied with Rhodesia's "explosive situation".

07:51:52 mircea_popescu: lol

07:52:31 mircea_popescu: After a year of pressures, scorn, sanctions and diatribe, Rhodesia emerged more resolute in her will to survive, and with a more stable, stronger, and more dignified image (192) ?an image gratuitously, though unintentionally, created for her by the failure of her would-be detractors. Mainspring of her stability lies in the deep reservoir of inter-racial goodwill.

07:52:32 mircea_popescu: That Rhodesian Africans actually assist their "oppressors" in hunting down terrorist would-be "liberators" refutes the lie that this is a land of turmoil and strife. There has, in fact, been more racial disturbance and bloodshed in Chicago or Los Angeles in a week than in Rhodesia in a year.

07:56:40 mircea_popescu: "107 Four former ministers accused of plotting against General Mobutu were hanged in Leopoldville's Grand Square before a Wembley-sized "gate" of 100,000 after being condemned at a 90-minute open-air "trial". No evidence was presented, no prosecution case made, there were no witnesses and the defendants had no counsel. There were also no protest marches in London, no sermon in St. Paul's, no letters to The Times, no de

07:56:40 mircea_popescu: putations to UN."

07:56:49 mircea_popescu: not a bad link, this. http://rhodesianheritage.blogspot.com.ar/2012/09/more-life-with-udi.html

07:56:49 assbot: Our Rhodesian Heritage: More Life with UDI

07:57:41 mircea_popescu: " Americans probably now know less about Rhodesia than they do about the moon, which does not deter them from trying to impose on us the "solution" and resulting chaos they helped to entrench in the strife-torn Congo."

08:04:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32418 @ 0.00084749 = 27.4739 BTC [+] {3}

08:05:51 mircea_popescu: The problems of "majority rule" did not, of course, arise in America way back in 1776 since these sturdy pioneers evolved their own expedient for dealing with such matters. However, Mr. Goldberg, chief U.S. delegate to the UN, seems at last to be concerned over "majority rule"?at UN itself, where small, insignificant states are usurping the peace-keeping authority of the great powers. On the UN's 21st birthday (24th

08:05:51 mircea_popescu: October) he said: "It would not have been accepted in 1945 that the UN should include tiny states whose only justification for existence is that their territory is no longer wanted by the colonial governments that supported them for years." The light dawns!

08:05:56 mircea_popescu: lmao, now i know whom to quote.

09:02:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27304 @ 0.00084597 = 23.0984 BTC [-] {2}

09:13:22 RagnarDanneskjol: http://bastiat.mises.org/2014/08/11472/

09:13:23 assbot: Steve Forbes Misunderstands Money :: The Mises Economics Blog: The Circle Bastiat

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10:20:59 cazalla: http://www.theage.com.au/business/the-economy/australias-housing-bubble-is-real-and-banks-are-to-blame-says-author-20140828-109ahx.html

10:21:00 assbot: Australia's housing bubble is real and banks are to blame, says author

10:21:13 cazalla: The median house price to income of Sydney is nine times, compared to 6.2 times in New York and 7.3 times in London. Even Adelaide is more expensive than New York on price-to-income basis.

10:21:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 15 @ 0.26896425 = 4.0345 BTC [+] {3}

10:21:44 cazalla: although people have been predicting this bubble would burst since the early 2000s

10:22:57 cazalla: is price-to-income a good way of evaluating a housing bubble?

10:23:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.26979999 = 0.8094 BTC [+] {2}

10:28:06 dub: Sydney is a pretty livably city compared to those shitholes

10:30:02 RagnarDanneskjol: re: is it a good way of evaluating? it is a descent indicator - if compared to historical data in the same area/demographic (as opposed some arbitrary comparison to a region on the opposite end of the planet)

10:30:52 RagnarDanneskjol: blaming banks for bubble is like blaming bartenders for alcoholism

10:43:47 dub: thats a pretty stupid thing to say

10:44:28 dub: there is tight governance around when and who a bartender can serve

10:47:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.26889999 = 2.689 BTC [-] {3}

10:50:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.26989996 = 0.8097 BTC [+] {3}

10:50:24 RagnarDanneskjol: ok, was making a more general comparison. both have tight governance around when & who can be served. whats your point?

10:52:19 dub: that banks don't

10:53:05 RagnarDanneskjol: well, i beg to differ. pretty sure Australian banks require more paperwork for a loan than a bartender requires to serve a drink

10:53:28 dub: paperwork isnt governance

10:54:50 dub: a bartender can't legally serve someone thats already drunk as fuck, a bank only has its own criteria

10:55:00 RagnarDanneskjol: uhh - loan prerequisites are generally dictated by law, not private bank policy

10:58:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.274 = 0.822 BTC [+]

10:58:22 xmj: (technically they're described by financial market authority regulations)

10:58:27 xmj: prescribed even

10:59:57 dub: what is? a loan to value ratio..

11:00:46 RagnarDanneskjol: no, loan prerequisites. authorities prescribe with threat of violence

11:06:05 Vexual: ;;later tell pete_dushenski yes i can recommend some resturants

11:06:05 gribble: The operation succeeded.

11:06:32 RagnarDanneskjol: http://banking.treasury.gov.au/content/default.asp

11:06:34 assbot: Competitive and Sustainable Banking System - Home

11:21:53 Vexual: statistically, australian don't complain about publicans serving too much beer and they also pay back loans.

11:23:12 Vexual: it's like the closest thing to a culture we have

11:25:31 assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3XTTWT3.txt )

11:25:31 pankkake: !b 2

12:08:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16000 @ 0.00084389 = 13.5022 BTC [+] {3}

12:09:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 796 @ 0.00075488 = 0.6009 BTC [-] {8}

12:15:03 jurov: http://news.ncsu.edu/2014/08/face-mites-2014/ arachophobes rejoice

12:15:04 assbot: Three Things You Didnt Know About the Arachnids That Live on Your Face | NC State News

12:15:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 940 @ 0.00065443 = 0.6152 BTC [-] {8}

12:31:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6550 @ 0.00084077 = 5.507 BTC [-]

13:02:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12000 @ 0.00084519 = 10.1423 BTC [+] {3}

13:05:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12018 @ 0.00084753 = 10.1856 BTC [+] {2}

13:10:08 mod6: /names

13:10:26 pankkake: http://coinfire.cf/2014/08/27/romania-joins-first-bitcoin-foundation-chapter-affiliate-eastern-europe/ congratulations romania!!!

13:10:27 assbot: Romania Joins As First Bitcoin Foundation Chapter Affiliate in Eastern Europe - Coin Fire

13:15:55 ThickAsThieves: lol

13:16:29 ThickAsThieves: viva fundatia bitcoin romania!

13:17:32 RagnarDanneskjol: !up RagnarsBitch

13:23:12 ThickAsThieves: any #b-a people live in Portland?

13:26:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3350 @ 0.00084039 = 2.8153 BTC [-] {2}

13:26:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.269 = 1.345 BTC [-]

13:32:49 TomServo: ;;bc,stats

13:32:52 gribble: Current Blocks: 317922 | Current Difficulty: 2.38446700388033E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 318527 | Next Difficulty In: 605 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 6 hours, 54 minutes, and 46 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 26668320234.6 | Estimated Percent Change: 11.84185

13:41:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2296 @ 0.00063017 = 1.4469 BTC [-] {4}

13:50:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.27177772 = 2.446 BTC [+] {2}

13:51:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.274 = 1.096 BTC [+] {2}

13:53:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9328 @ 0.00084004 = 7.8359 BTC [-] {2}

14:16:36 kakobrekla: http://seba.eu.org/public/ebola.png

14:17:31 pankkake: is it the bitcoin price?

14:19:47 kakobrekla: heh

14:20:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23294 @ 0.00084657 = 19.72 BTC [+] {3}

14:23:07 punkman: !s moriarty

14:23:08 assbot: 14 results for 'moriarty' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=moriarty

14:32:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14732 @ 0.00084537 = 12.454 BTC [-] {2}

14:46:12 ThickAsThieves: https://www.kimonolabs.com/bitcoin/correlator

14:46:13 assbot: kimono : Bitcoin Correlator

14:49:52 nubbins`: dat gold price

14:50:30 nubbins`: so i've been doing some test prints for these posters, everything looks good, gonna start full production today

14:50:45 nubbins`: !up devthedev

14:50:54 nubbins`: devthedev: how's everything at flagler schools these days?

14:51:20 devthedev: Fine, thanks

14:51:29 nubbins`: great to hear :D

14:51:35 ThickAsThieves: !up dvsdude

14:51:47 dvsdude: ty

14:52:00 ThickAsThieves: dvsdude has questions about cavirtex

14:52:06 nubbins`: ah

14:52:17 nubbins`: those shady bastards

14:52:59 ThickAsThieves: i assume the question is what to do about the buyback offer?

14:53:01 nubbins`: dvsdude, do you have the misfortune of owning "shares" in their "company"?

14:53:17 dvsdude: yes

14:53:22 nubbins`: my condolences

14:53:44 nubbins`: do you think the buyback offer is at a fair price?

14:53:44 dvsdude: he wants to buy them back

14:54:08 ThickAsThieves: without being that close to this event, i'd say if he's making an offer, it's probably too low

14:54:19 nubbins`: nod

14:54:29 dvsdude: i want to give them back but i'm taking a hit

14:54:39 ThickAsThieves: i'd suggest registering the shares

14:54:42 ThickAsThieves: and keeping them

14:54:49 nubbins`: relevant info: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=218435.msg8557922#msg8557922

14:54:49 assbot: Official CaVirtex.com Thread

14:55:09 ThickAsThieves: i almost bought some myself when i heard they were delisting

14:55:14 nubbins`: i'd probably keep them too, if only for the fact that they REALLY seem to want to buy them back

14:55:29 dvsdude: he does

14:55:34 nubbins`: ThickAsThieves: you heard they were delisting before it happened? :0

14:55:40 ThickAsThieves: they announced it

14:55:50 dvsdude: I was at work

14:55:52 nubbins`: right, but trading halted beforehand, yes?

14:56:08 nubbins`: or did they open it up again afterwards, to scoop up a ton of shares on the cheap?

14:56:10 ThickAsThieves: i dont think so, but ive done drugs between then and now so....

14:56:32 dvsdude: by the time i got home they were pennys so i kept them

14:56:32 nubbins`: it's all lost to memory now. anyway, fuck em. do whatever they don't want you to do

14:57:00 ThickAsThieves: dvsdude, do you qualify as a proper invetsor or whatever canada calls it?

14:57:17 dvsdude: this is the prob

14:57:29 dvsdude: i'm not

14:57:51 ThickAsThieves: what is the approx value of your shares. in your own estimation

14:57:54 nubbins`: "in making the election to accept the Offer, you will be deemed to have never been a shareholder"

14:57:58 nubbins`: ^ this line is sketchy as fuck

14:57:58 ThickAsThieves: (in total)

14:58:13 ThickAsThieves: yeha they think they can erase history lol

14:58:22 ThickAsThieves: so retarded

14:58:31 ThickAsThieves: but they gotta try probly

14:58:32 nubbins`: in making the election to accept $20 for a cab ride home, you will be deemed to not have been drugged and assaulted at my house last night

14:58:56 dvsdude: hate to say what a chump i'am but started to buy them in 2011

14:58:57 nubbins`: but you can totally walk, it's only 15km, no biggie

14:59:16 ThickAsThieves: dvsdude dont worry about your chumphood, we all got chumped at some point

14:59:24 nubbins`: ^

14:59:25 ThickAsThieves: its what you do once you know youve been chumped that matters

14:59:38 nubbins`: << thrice-chumped, still rich

14:59:53 nubbins`: and with sweet stories to boot

15:00:15 dvsdude: ok ......I've got 3.3 into

15:00:17 ThickAsThieves: i ask about the value because you might have some workarounds if you dont qualify as a qualified invetsor

15:00:30 assbot: xanthyos +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0

15:00:31 nubbins`: so a couple thousand bucks

15:00:34 nubbins`: not bad

15:00:36 nubbins`: !up xanthyos

15:00:39 ThickAsThieves: like you might be able to get your finance guy to wrap the shares into another thing

15:00:46 dvsdude: he wants to give me 1.1

15:01:02 nubbins`: nod

15:01:06 xanthyos: this is what the "legitimate" shuffle algorithm of the world's most popular bitcoin poker site spits out: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BwIkxGxIcAAH34g.jpg

15:01:09 nubbins`: so your choices are 1.1 or 0.0, basically

15:01:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6650 @ 0.00084845 = 5.6422 BTC [+]

15:01:23 dvsdude: yes

15:01:28 nubbins`: xanthyos just as likely as any other 5-card combo XD

15:01:35 xanthyos: i've seen 5 royals in 6 months

15:01:42 pankkake: NINE NINE NINE NINE NINE

15:01:45 nubbins`: dvsdude: i think it's safe to say that keeping the shares will offer you no tangible benefits whatsoever

15:01:47 xanthyos: it took 10 years on pokerstars to see 1

15:01:55 dvsdude: not much i can do here ?

15:01:56 danielpbarron: wow you royaled?

15:01:56 TomServo: You should go to a casino!

15:02:08 xanthyos: casinos use real shufflers

15:02:09 ThickAsThieves: <+nubbins`> dvsdude: i think it's safe to say that keeping the shares will offer you no tangible benefits whatsoever //i dont think i agree with this

15:02:18 xanthyos: i call scams on this site whether i'm ont he winning end or the losing end

15:02:23 xanthyos: my luck doesn't blind me to the thievery

15:02:33 nubbins`: imagine you own cavirtex. wouldn't you do anything in your power to eat up all profits and never pay a dividend?

15:02:41 ThickAsThieves: i suspect Cavirtex is doing fundraising or such and wants to fuck over the real early angels

15:02:52 xanthyos: flop a nut royal with the cards in descending order

15:03:02 nubbins`: sure, "wants to fuck over" is an attitude that doesn't just evaporate

15:03:14 ThickAsThieves: and increases in value

15:03:17 dvsdude: I told him (ceo) that i wanted to phone him

15:03:22 nubbins`: besides, they're fucking class-B shares

15:03:48 nubbins`: bet ya 5 satoshis that the actual owners don't hold class B shares

15:03:57 ThickAsThieves: i bet they hold a bunch

15:04:17 ThickAsThieves: they are doing a buyback after all

15:04:21 nubbins`: well, maybe, let's check the prospectus

15:04:22 dvsdude: I dont like this shifty fuck

15:04:23 nubbins`: oh wait

15:04:29 nubbins`: there isn't one

15:04:34 ThickAsThieves: lol

15:04:38 ThickAsThieves: i might have it saved actually

15:04:57 nubbins`: wat!

15:05:03 ThickAsThieves: looking

15:05:07 nubbins`: dropbox that dutch

15:05:26 nubbins`: i like how their buyback offer has a fixed btc/cad exchange rate too

15:05:56 nubbins`: hope they're hedging that 8)

15:06:23 ThickAsThieves: hehe

15:06:32 dvsdude: joe daveies should have known not to trust a guy with two first names

15:06:47 ThickAsThieves: i have it!

15:06:55 nubbins`: yes

15:08:36 ThickAsThieves: here ya go http://ge.tt/8lRJPVs1/v/0

15:08:36 assbot: VirtEx_Prospectus_18Mar2013.pdf

15:08:39 dvsdude: so best advise is take the hit

15:08:48 ThickAsThieves: my advice is keep the shares

15:09:06 ThickAsThieves: i remember when someone was unloading coinbase shares before they became a thing

15:09:10 ThickAsThieves: and i skipped that

15:09:18 dvsdude: really ?

15:09:20 ThickAsThieves: yep

15:09:38 ThickAsThieves: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=157789.0

15:09:38 assbot: [For Sale] Shares in coinbase.com

15:10:18 nubbins`: my advice is to start from the assumption your money is gone, and keep or sell the shares based on whether you think they'll be worth +/- 0 in the future

15:11:16 ThickAsThieves: tell him you want IPO price, .64btc ea

15:11:59 dvsdude: but I would have find someone else to buy them later and like nubbins said they are class b shares

15:12:30 ThickAsThieves: the owners will always want to buy them until the company is dying

15:12:50 ThickAsThieves: they wouldnt wanna buy them now if things were bad

15:14:31 kakobrekla: >NastyFans aren't taking any kind of a loss, it is all positive ROI for them. There are no costs associated with NastyFans and hashrate is all a win for them, so taking a loss is actually impossible with our structure.

15:14:38 kakobrekla: oh my.

15:14:46 dvsdude: suppose to call him later not sure ......asked him why I paid 3.3 btc but he only offering me 1.1 ....his answer was lame

15:15:22 ThickAsThieves: note, the original prospectus says nothing about Class B

15:15:38 dvsdude: good one

15:16:01 dvsdude: thats something

15:16:17 ThickAsThieves: it says very little really in regards to share limitations

15:16:45 ThickAsThieves: ah it does say non-voting

15:16:54 ThickAsThieves: fwiw

15:17:22 ThickAsThieves: "his is NOT a separate fund; this is the fund that represents real equity ownership in VirtEx!"

15:17:39 ThickAsThieves: "In the case where VirtEx is bought out by another company or VirtEx pays a dividend to its shareholders, Bitcoin shareholders will get paid in Bitcoin at the Canadian dollar equivalent rate using the best market prices at the time"

15:17:47 ThickAsThieves: yeah i'd hold them shares tight if it were me

15:18:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 780 @ 0.00281699 = 2.1973 BTC [+] {9}

15:18:47 dvsdude: thanks man you helping alot

15:19:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.279 = 2.511 BTC [+]

15:19:48 ThickAsThieves: i hope so, you may wanna ask others though

15:20:34 ThickAsThieves: not 2 weeks cavirtex is doing PR about Bitcoin ATMs in malls, they are growing, not dying

15:20:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1013 @ 0.00052015 = 0.5269 BTC [-] {4}

15:20:56 dvsdude: that was what i thought

15:21:41 ThickAsThieves: please post a link to the original prospectus i gave you in the thread too

15:21:47 ThickAsThieves: in case others cant find it

15:21:53 ThickAsThieves: i assume they have by now

15:24:52 ThickAsThieves: this reminds me, wasnt there a dude repeatedly doing FUD on Cavirtex in the mos before delisting?

15:25:15 ThickAsThieves: https://bitcointa.lk/threads/havelock-cavirtex-is-about-to-collapse.212522/

15:25:15 assbot: Havelock Cavirtex is about to collapse | Bitcointa.lk

15:25:18 ThickAsThieves: i bet it's the owner

15:30:17 thestringpuller: ;;google site:fraudsters.com doge like kindness

15:30:18 gribble: No matches found.

15:30:21 thestringpuller: ;;google site:fraudsters.com doge like

15:30:22 gribble: Why Dogecoin is a scam, why the people pushing it are assholes ...: http://fraudsters.com/2014/why-dogecoin-is-a-scam-why-the-people-pushing-it-are-assholes-why-business-insider-is-a-contemptible-piece-of-shit-why-anyone-who-ever-worked-for-it-will-be-dancing-in-the-street-for-nickels-and-wh/; Ah sweet sweet delicious communitard tears pe fraudsters - Un blog ...: (1 more message)

15:30:32 thestringpuller: ;;more

15:30:32 gribble: http://fraudsters.com/2014/ah-sweet-sweet-delicious-communitard-tears/; A deal can be anything. pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: http://fraudsters.com/a-deal-can-be-anything

15:49:51 ben_vulpes: https://www.google.com/maps/@45.4858646,-122.6641519,14z << ThickAsThieves notes that Portland is built around a giant vagina

15:49:51 assbot: Google Maps

15:51:14 punkman: chinks wanna copy it now

15:51:15 punkman: http://www.theguardian.com/cities/2014/aug/20/why-havent-chinas-cities-learned-from-americas-mistakes

15:51:15 assbot: Why haven't China's cities learned from America's mistakes? | Cities | The Guardian

15:51:50 ThickAsThieves: awesome for landmark purposes "Meet me at Oaks bottom?" "Where's that?" "Oh, between Willa's vag and ass"

15:52:15 ben_vulpes: oaks bottom

15:52:16 ben_vulpes: hue

15:52:20 ThickAsThieves: hehe

15:53:29 ThickAsThieves: brooklyn henceforth known as East Clitsville

15:53:44 ThickAsThieves: oh great now youre gonna tell my wife this.

15:54:45 ben_vulpes: publically logged chan

15:54:53 ben_vulpes: i don't have to say nuffin :)

16:00:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 8.24541396 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 717 satoshi per share

16:04:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.58649525 BTC to 15`045 shares, 10545 satoshi per share

16:08:05 punkman: " in Washington state, N.P.R. found, offenders even “get charged a fee for a jury trial — with a 12-person jury costing $250, twice the fee for a six-person jury.”"

16:08:16 punkman: scamz

16:08:19 punkman: http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/08/27/opinion/thomas-edsall-the-expanding-world-of-poverty-capitalism.html

16:08:22 assbot: Log In

16:08:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22928 @ 0.00084934 = 19.4737 BTC [+] {4}

16:15:21 TheNewDeal: xanthyos whenever I played SWC I also suspected that good hands came too often

16:26:30 assbot: xanthyos +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0

16:26:46 TomServo: !up xanthyos

16:27:07 xanthyos: TheNewDeal: the site has a profit motive in having big showdowns. in cash games it increases rake taken on the hand. in tournaments it accelerates the rate at which people are eliminated, thus reducing server load

16:27:54 xanthyos: as all rake is paid in advance on tournaments

16:28:03 TheNewDeal: never really pondered that subject

16:28:04 TheNewDeal: interesting

16:28:11 xanthyos: and there are mythologies on the site such as "run good" accounts

16:28:40 xanthyos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXocFPmxeWU

16:28:40 assbot: Payday Monsanto ~ Maniacs At Large [Listen up sheeple] - YouTube

16:30:43 xanthyos: what's this ad on bitcoinaverage: https://primedice.com/

16:30:43 assbot: Primedice | Bitcoin Dice

16:31:04 xanthyos: primedice.scam

16:31:11 xanthyos: the .scam domain needs to start being used.

16:31:15 xanthyos: if it doesn't exist already

16:32:17 TheNewDeal: sounds like a goldmine to me

16:32:23 lobbes: bitcointalk.scam

16:32:54 xanthyos: "no true scammer would take a .scam domain, they MUST be honest."

16:33:48 pankkake: lol exactly

16:37:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19050 @ 0.00084965 = 16.1858 BTC [+]

17:14:23 penguirker: New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/bitcoin-advertising-network-van-ads-com-open-beta/

17:14:24 penguirker: New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/bitcoin-pool-discus-fish-swims-past-ghash-io-1/

17:14:25 penguirker: New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/california-gold-rush-vs-bitcoin-mining-rush/

17:14:26 penguirker: New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/hashmine-bitcoin-mining-pool/

17:14:27 penguirker: New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/spondoolies-sp31/

17:14:28 penguirker: New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/return-ozcoin-mining-pool/

17:14:29 penguirker: New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/bitcoin-difficulty-changes/

17:14:30 penguirker: New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/knc-miner-sells-28nm-chips-loss/

17:14:31 penguirker: New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/bitcoin-price-under-500/

17:14:32 penguirker: New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/butterflylabs-refund-date-updated-08132014/

17:29:42 ben_vulpes: penguirker!

17:29:55 ben_vulpes: i betcha actually jbork's feed huh

17:39:01 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i don't get how bip0064 compromises nodes

17:39:43 ben_vulpes: this student can't even do c-grade security

17:41:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4500 @ 0.00084971 = 3.8237 BTC [+]

17:42:03 ben_vulpes: mpoe's back y'all

17:54:34 jurov: cavirtex - the original DERP

17:57:06 penguirker: New blog post: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/08/28_conformal-are-the-real-bitcoin-core-devs.html

17:59:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31666 @ 0.00084978 = 26.9091 BTC [+] {2}

18:00:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16106 @ 0.00085086 = 13.704 BTC [+] {2}

18:06:38 []bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "BTC Difficulty over 31Bn before October" http://bitbet.us/bet/1028/ Odds: 82(Y):18(N) by coin, 81(Y):19(N) by weight. Total bet: 33.44191626 BTC. Current weight: 72,028.

18:17:37 []bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "BTC >= $2,000 before March" http://bitbet.us/bet/1027/ Odds: 15(Y):85(N) by coin, 15(Y):85(N) by weight. Total bet: 8.34 BTC. Current weight: 95,095.

18:22:16 lobbes: ;;diff

18:22:16 gribble: 2.38446700388033E10

18:31:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4500 @ 0.00085224 = 3.8351 BTC [+]

18:36:42 punkman: ben_vulpes: but is btcd a good idea if they are compatible with the newest, bestest derpfeatures from bitcoind?

18:40:26 Apocalyptic: punkman, how is it compatible ?

18:41:37 Apocalyptic: even in the newest bitcoind, you still have "protocolversion" : 70002, and the protocol should be the only concern when dealing with 2 different implementations

18:43:27 ben_vulpes: punkman: "btcd won’t be supporting the command because it is completely unauthenticated and insecure as pointed out numerous times on the initial pull request."

18:44:09 Apocalyptic: ben_vulpes, so btcd is actually mirroring all these new features of bitcoind ?

18:45:40 ben_vulpes: not 64

18:45:59 punkman: ben_vulpes: oic, they put everything in btcwire library, but btcd won't use it

18:46:22 punkman: but are there any unwanted BIPs that they've added to btcd?

18:46:41 Apocalyptic: <ben_vulpes> not 64 // that's obvious from what you pasted

18:46:48 Apocalyptic: i was actually asking about the last few BIPs

18:47:05 ben_vulpes: now i'm looking over the past few bips as well

18:47:19 ben_vulpes: 73 is not a btcd feature

18:48:25 ben_vulpes: 70-73 are all wallet-app stuff if i'm reading this correctly

18:49:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3722 @ 0.00084965 = 3.1624 BTC [-]

18:49:14 ben_vulpes: 62 doesn't appear to have made it past draft?

18:49:41 ben_vulpes: 61 neither?

18:50:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26057 @ 0.00084803 = 22.0971 BTC [-] {2}

18:50:23 ben_vulpes: i'd be surprised if 37 hadn't

18:50:56 ben_vulpes: pretty funny that 38 is still marked as draft

18:51:03 ben_vulpes: bitcoin-core is hilariously poorly managed

18:53:09 eightyeight: https://code.google.com/p/end-to-end/wiki/KeyDistribution

18:53:10 assbot: KeyDistribution - end-to-end - High level key distribution / key discovery plans. - End-To-End - Google Project Hosting

19:00:58 ben_vulpes: i don't get the furor over key distribution

19:01:12 ben_vulpes: i suppose that makes me an uneducated barbarian

19:01:19 ben_vulpes: but i want to send an email to pete

19:01:32 ben_vulpes: i grab pete's key off gribble or, you know, ask him

19:01:42 ben_vulpes: then later "hey did you get my message?"

19:05:44 ben_vulpes: *shrug*

19:05:45 ben_vulpes: qui bono

19:12:09 FabianB: moriarty: who told you i'm interested in unsolicited pm's about random stuff?

19:17:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14650 @ 0.00084696 = 12.408 BTC [-] {2}

19:22:45 jurov: ben_vulpes i guess it's people who want to do things wholesale, commoditize and whatnot

19:23:12 jurov: it's beneath them to concern with individual and personal key verification

19:24:08 jurov: #keyops

19:27:49 jurov: https://www.ivpn.net/internet-censorship/ what they want you to believe

19:27:50 assbot: Internet Censorship Around The World | IVPN

19:48:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11250 @ 0.00084737 = 9.5329 BTC [+]

19:53:29 ben_vulpes: jurov: "web scale"

19:55:14 ben_vulpes: https://twitter.com/search?f=realtime&q=instagram&src=typd << millions cry out in pain and are not yet silenced

19:55:16 assbot: Twitter / Suche - instagram

19:56:44 []bot: Bet placed: 2 BTC for Yes on "Under 15% difficulty increase before 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1032/ Odds: 96(Y):4(N) by coin, 96(Y):4(N) by weight. Total bet: 5.34800157 BTC. Current weight: 97,894.

19:56:45 []bot: Bet placed: 4.7 BTC for No on "1BTC >= $10,000 USD" http://bitbet.us/bet/635/ Odds: 9(Y):91(N) by coin, 15(Y):85(N) by weight. Total bet: 812.08919187 BTC. Current weight: 23,242.

19:57:11 penguirker: New blog post: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/08/28_upgrade-u.html

20:01:08 penguirker: New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/btc-e-bitcoin-exchange-security/

20:21:34 punkman: http://lists.extropy.org/pipermail/extropy-chat/2014-August/082585.html

20:21:39 punkman: satoshi's dead

20:26:33 punkman: http://lolmythesis.com/post/92456241593/im-trying-to-predict-the-stock-market-and-i-dont-even

20:26:34 assbot: lol my thesis: I'm trying to predict the stock market and I don't even know why anyone approved this.

20:31:34 BingoBoingo: php! http://developers.slashdot.org/story/14/08/28/1732221/php-560-released

20:31:36 assbot: PHP 5.6.0 Released - Slashdot

20:49:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2250 @ 0.00084676 = 1.9052 BTC [-]

20:49:47 mircea_popescu: goood mornin' bitcoinlandia

20:50:27 jurov: evening

20:50:33 mircea_popescu: that also.

20:51:12 mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/1032/under-15-difficulty-increase-before-2015/ o.O

20:51:12 assbot: BitBet - Under 15% difficulty increase before 2015 :: 5.15 B (96%) on Yes, 0.2 B (4%) on No | closing in 4 months 3 hours | weight: 97`863 (100`000 to 1)

20:51:39 mircea_popescu: ;;bc,stats

20:51:41 gribble: Current Blocks: 317967 | Current Difficulty: 2.38446700388033E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 318527 | Next Difficulty In: 560 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 3 hours, 5 minutes, and 1 second | Next Difficulty Estimate: 26584629280.7 | Estimated Percent Change: 11.49087

20:51:52 mircea_popescu: %p

20:51:54 atcbot: No data returned from CoinMiner.net

20:51:55 atcbot: [PityThePool Hashrate]: 719.65 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.26 TH/s

21:07:12 TheNewDeal: gribble is just questionable with this prediction. 11.5 % seriously ?

21:07:22 TheNewDeal: ;;nethash

21:07:23 gribble: 203785160.63

21:10:50 thestringpuller: is there a mole among us?

21:11:53 thestringpuller: !up kermit

21:13:47 TheNewDeal: please do tell

21:16:20 thestringpuller: TheNewDeal: who me?

21:16:30 TheNewDeal: yes yes

21:16:33 thestringpuller: It just smells like there is a mole among us.

21:17:09 TheNewDeal: intresting

21:20:52 thestringpuller: perhaps the sybil attack has already begun...

21:22:31 BingoBoingo: ;;google site:fraudsters.com sybil attack

21:22:31 gribble: Advanced WoT course : how the WoT is attacked, and how it ...: http://fraudsters.com/2014/advanced-wot-course-how-the-wot-is-attacked-and-how-it-defends-itself/; Transcript for #bitcoin-dev 2013/03/12 :: BitcoinStats - fraudsters: http://fraudsters.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/bitcoinstats.htm; A complete theory of economics pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea ...: (1 more message)

21:26:02 BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i don't get how bip0064 compromises nodes << Allows very memory intensive requests which can crash nodes.

21:27:07 BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-dev/logs/2014/08/27#l1409155575 << Absorb the harm of Hearn "Why can't bitcoind automatically restart?"

21:27:08 assbot: BitcoinStats

21:28:21 BingoBoingo: ;;later tell devthedev lulzy imposter log you shared http://pastebin.com/DcyL3eyT

21:28:21 assbot: 3:03:46 PMbingoboingo- Hello 3:03:53 PMbingoboingo- how u been 3:06:54 PM - Pastebin.com

21:28:21 gribble: The operation succeeded.

21:29:45 TheNewDeal: I'm mostly afraid of a sibyl vane attack

21:30:43 punkman: BingoBoingo: I got one from a fluffypony- http://dpaste.com/0D0CQEC

21:30:44 assbot: dpaste: 0D0CQEC

21:31:03 fluffypony: lol

21:32:11 BingoBoingo: That's a long one

21:32:14 BingoBoingo: ;;ident

21:32:14 gribble: Nick 'BingoBoingo', with hostmask 'BingoBoingo!~BingoBoin@unaffiliated/bingoboingo', is identified as user 'BingoBoingo', with GPG key id 309BB8D7F3251143, key fingerprint ADD7A9A28F85E5EF1F51904F309BB8D7F3251143, and bitcoin address None

21:37:39 Guaca-mole: someone called for a mole

21:38:30 BingoBoingo: Nice

21:38:43 BingoBoingo: I was hoping more for a red mole though

21:38:55 BingoBoingo: For Tamales

21:39:24 mod6: mmm devour the red mole

21:40:39 BingoBoingo: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2eq8gi/getutxos_a_convenient_way_to_crash_bitcoind/ck34k8s << The heart of infiltration

21:40:40 assbot: nullc comments on getutxos: a convenient way to crash bitcoind

21:40:51 BingoBoingo: Oh Red-Pepper-Chile much better, thanks

21:41:11 assbot: Last 8 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1PJ218W.txt )

21:41:11 BingoBoingo: !b 8

21:41:11 Red-Pepper-Chile: spicy

21:46:22 punkman: http://da-data.blogspot.com/2014/08/minting-money-with-monero-and-cpu.html

21:46:23 assbot: Dave's Data: Minting Money with Monero ... and CPU vector intrinsics

21:46:37 punkman: fluffypony, how's monero these days?

21:46:53 fluffypony: good

21:46:59 fluffypony: busy

21:48:13 mircea_popescu: <Guaca-mole> someone called for a mole << hahaha

21:49:48 mircea_popescu: "Mike's response to that concern included the idea that "the community" would "just" decide to delete UTXOs - that is freeze funds - by creating a chain fork. Not the first time he's suggesting freezing funds; I think he's being a bit tone deaf here..."

21:50:04 mircea_popescu: he's not being tone deaf. teh usg wants to be able to take over bitcoin, is all.

21:50:16 ben_vulpes: where's that from, mircea_popescu ?

21:50:26 mircea_popescu: reddit above

21:50:43 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo's link

21:51:35 BingoBoingo: Looks like the node behavior battle is warming up

21:51:52 mircea_popescu: i like how hearn is attacking todd lol. asif.

21:52:58 mircea_popescu: fluffypony-: ;;gettrust fluffypony << lawl

21:53:09 fluffypony: yeah

21:53:09 fluffypony: as if

21:54:06 mircea_popescu: ;;ident mircea_popescu-

21:54:06 gribble: Error: I am not seeing this user on IRC. If you want information about a registered gpg user, try the 'gpg info' command instead.

21:54:10 mircea_popescu: aww.

21:54:42 mircea_popescu: i should prolly group all these huh.

21:57:28 mircea_pope5cu: i guess that's all i can think of.

21:58:25 mircea_popescu: owait.

21:59:21 ben_vulpes: kazing: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2eq8gi/getutxos_a_convenient_way_to_crash_bitcoind/ck216c2

21:59:22 assbot: justusranvier comments on getutxos: a convenient way to crash bitcoind

22:00:48 mircea_popescu: cazalla: is price-to-income a good way of evaluating a housing bubble? << it's an indicator. tho it also reflects the center/periphery balance (ie, in any realm, the capital is cheapest and the fringes most expensive. that's where mining happens or w/e, higher risk adventuring. easier money, less boring people, higher risk so many explanations for larger rents)

22:01:06 jurov: you forgot mirceau_popescue :)

22:01:15 mircea_popescu: lol

22:01:44 mircea_popescu: "Satoshi created a hairball. It takes years sometimes to cleanup a codebase that has accumulated a lot of technical debt. It's not reasonable to just stop all feature development in the meantime."

22:02:03 mircea_popescu: fucking hell ? a) STILL with the "satoshi hairball" bs ? 5 years later ? b) it's not "Reasonable" ? it';s fucking mandatory.

22:02:19 mircea_popescu: "o my house is burning, it's not reasonable to stop watching pokemon while putting the fire out"

22:02:27 ben_vulpes: the house might get wet though!

22:02:38 mircea_popescu: the problem with reddit is that a fucktarded audience gives incentive for fucktarded arguments from people who would otherwise shut up.

22:03:01 mircea_popescu: this is why you don't want every dick and jane "participating". they fucking corrupt anything they participate in.

22:03:37 jurov: well, PHP style

22:04:16 BingoBoingo: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2eq8gi/getutxos_a_convenient_way_to_crash_bitcoind/ck1zks8

22:04:16 assbot: mike_hearn comments on getutxos: a convenient way to crash bitcoind

22:04:48 mircea_popescu: people - reasonable, respectable people that is - need to stop engaqging that scumbag in conversation and simply insult him wherever he shows up.

22:05:22 fluffypony: if only you were still on Twitter and could just threaten his life

22:05:22 fluffypony: :-P

22:06:30 mircea_popescu: o, the notion that hearn survives the transfer of power is just ludicrous anyway.

22:06:31 mircea_popescu: i didn

22:06:38 mircea_popescu: 't imagine anyone had any lingering doubts.

22:07:19 *: mircea_popescu has the great buenos aires trial of the enemies of freedom script half written already.

22:07:23 BingoBoingo: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/2900#issuecomment-22728664

22:07:24 assbot: Add NODE_BLOOM service bit and bump protocol version by petertodd Pull Request #2900 bitcoin/bitcoin GitHub

22:09:21 ben_vulpes: well with all this drama i should be a millionaire any day

22:10:06 mircea_popescu: confucius sez : one is not a millionaire by day what is a million at night.

22:10:30 *: ben_vulpes sez "wat"

22:10:35 ben_vulpes: ;;ticker

22:10:36 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 507.0, Best ask: 507.47, Bid-ask spread: 0.47000, Last trade: 507.47, 24 hour volume: 7688.93959555, 24 hour low: 507.0, 24 hour high: 515.58, 24 hour vwap: 510.487601858

22:10:41 ben_vulpes: WHERE'S MY LULZBOUNCE

22:10:55 mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol: blaming banks for bubble is like blaming bartenders for alcoholism << this has a lengthy tradition in the puritan world.

22:11:38 mircea_popescu: dub: a bartender can't legally serve someone thats already drunk as fuck, a bank only has its own criteria << actualkly a bank also can't lend to the bankrupt, so...

22:12:36 kakobrekla: still both do it

22:13:08 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: http://seba.eu.org/public/ebola.png <<< sooo, it's an epidemic ?

22:13:31 kakobrekla: dunno

22:14:43 mircea_popescu: nubbins`: in making the election to accept $20 for a cab ride home, you will be deemed to not have been drugged and assaulted at my house last night << sounds legit.

22:14:59 mircea_popescu: kinda how coed partying works irl no ?

22:15:25 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: dvsdude dont worry about your chumphood, we all got chumped at some point << orly now :D

22:17:28 mircea_popescu: xanthyos whoa straight flush ?

22:17:44 mircea_popescu: to the ace, pre river ? that's what, 1 in 300k

22:18:58 kakobrekla: http://lists.extropy.org/pipermail/extropy-chat/2014-August/082585.html

22:20:16 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: i suspect Cavirtex is doing fundraising or such and wants to fuck over the real early angels << if this is true, the published announcement opens all the directors to pretty serious criminal liability, not to mention that any court would undo the "sale".

22:20:45 mircea_popescu: in fact, any half-sane investor would back out once this mess is brought to their attention, seeing how the only thing coming out of it is a decade of litigation on his money.

22:21:33 mircea_popescu: o hal finney died huh. rip.

22:22:32 kanzure: he is just temporarily inconvenienced

22:23:16 mircea_popescu: dude i tell you... reviving sickly old farts sounds pretty fucking threatening.

22:23:30 kanzure: why's that?

22:24:13 mircea_popescu: you know what pays for keeping 60yos around to be 80yo currently ?

22:27:05 mircea_popescu: to put it another way : a century ago, back when university professors had the common decency to die aged 60ish, kids ended up with assistant professroships aged 20something, not 30+.

22:27:35 punkman: same scammer is trying kakobrekla- now http://dpaste.com/1KCDQ05

22:27:36 assbot: dpaste: 1KCDQ05

22:28:51 Apocalyptic: "punkman: that's fluffypony's email" lol'd

22:30:22 mircea_popescu: !up toddf

22:35:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25500 @ 0.0008518 = 21.7209 BTC [+] {2}

22:37:47 mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal: xanthyos whenever I played SWC I also suspected that good hands came too often << as long as they come equally often for everyone, i imagine the argument goes, this isn'tr cheating but promotion.

22:38:51 mircea_popescu: xanthyos: TheNewDeal: the site has a profit motive in having big showdowns. in cash games it increases rake taken on the hand. << it's not just that. most poker players are idiots. they like to see the pretty pictures. makes them feel better about themselves.

22:40:53 mircea_popescu: punkman: ben_vulpes: oic, they put everything in btcwire library, but btcd won't use it << bitwire is iirc todd's thing to make network move faster

22:41:44 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: then later "hey did you get my message?" << they don't have gribble where they live. because barbarians.

22:41:48 mircea_popescu: and because "usability"

22:41:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5515 @ 0.00085075 = 4.6919 BTC [-]

22:42:21 mircea_popescu: jurov: it's beneath them to concern with individual and personal key verification << yeah, because everyone wants to talk to people it can't even learn the name of. totally.

22:43:33 kakobrekla: punkman he doesnt want to talk to me :(

22:44:01 mircea_popescu: i wonder why

22:44:19 kakobrekla: not like i can dcc bite him

22:45:17 mircea_popescu: you prolly can, actually.

22:51:58 BingoBoingo: http://www.bnd.com/2014/08/27/3370370/lawsuit-deputies-coerced-confession.html << Yates, who has diminished cognitive ability, was repeatedly told that they knew he was involved in the robbery and that he could avoid being put into jail by confessing, the lawsuit states. A visibly shaken Yates eventually agreed to admit to the crime to end the psychologically brutal interrogation, his attorneys said. The defendants had to repeated

22:51:59 assbot: Metro-east news from Belleville, IL | Belleville News-Democrat

22:51:59 BingoBoingo: ly spoon-feed details to him about the armed robbery.

23:01:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13250 @ 0.00085376 = 11.3123 BTC [+]

23:02:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6640 @ 0.0008541 = 5.6712 BTC [+]

23:02:16 kakobrekla: dunno /dcc bite sez command not found

23:16:16 ben_vulpes: framing retards

23:16:18 ben_vulpes: way2go

23:16:30 ben_vulpes: i've heard some great rumors on the hipster conspiracy circuit lately

23:16:51 ben_vulpes: "you must have an iq of less than 115 to actually pass the tests and be a cop"

23:20:33 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes ancient romanian joke : people trying to become cops are given an intelligence test, the geometric shapes and box with cutouts thing.

23:20:41 mircea_popescu: test results : 1% of candidates are smart

23:20:45 mircea_popescu: 99% are strong.

23:21:00 ben_vulpes: heheh

23:21:11 ben_vulpes: http://atlanta.cbslocal.com/2014/08/27/report-dogs-eating-dead-bodies-of-ebola-victims-on-liberian-streets/

23:21:11 assbot: Report: Dogs Eating Dead Bodies Of Ebola Victims On Liberian Streets « CBS Atlanta

23:21:59 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: originally soviet afaik

23:24:21 mircea_popescu: yeah well

23:26:31 asciilifeform: so - how long does conformal corp. have before one should conclude they failed the 'test' (approved mircea_popescu's comment) ?

23:26:56 mircea_popescu: next time they publish something on that blog ?

23:27:20 BingoBoingo: http://crazyrxman.blogspot.com/2014/08/dont-quit-your-day-job.html

23:27:21 assbot: Crazy RxMan: Don't Quit your Day Job

23:27:30 TomServo: ;;bc,stats

23:27:33 gribble: Current Blocks: 317985 | Current Difficulty: 2.38446700388033E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 318527 | Next Difficulty In: 542 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 1 hour, 4 minutes, and 43 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 26605822005.7 | Estimated Percent Change: 11.57974

23:28:08 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> so - how long does conformal corp. have before one should conclude they failed the 'test' (approved mircea_popescu's comment) ? << Another possibility may be retarded/ovezealous/otherwise poisoned spam filtering.

23:29:17 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo not likely, given the very low index of the comment in question

23:29:27 mircea_popescu: was a few hundred, they don't get that many comments.

23:29:34 BingoBoingo: Ah

23:30:21 asciilifeform: 'included the idea that "the community" would "just" decide to delete UTXOs - that is freeze funds...'

23:30:36 *: asciilifeform sees this and every time wonders if he's responsible for this crackpottery with 'shitcoin' essay

23:30:42 mircea_popescu: nah.

23:31:28 mircea_popescu: this is how much teh usg dimwit in charge of this project comprehends of these matters. fuckwit actually imagined that "the community" is stupid enough and the stupid enough part relevant enough to go for shit like this because... it says "the community" in it.

23:31:38 mircea_popescu: i guess it's really a comission of idiots, but anyway.

23:31:53 mircea_popescu: if you look at it, typical she-brained dc staffer mental processes.

23:31:59 asciilifeform: i suppose everyone here knows what the word 'community' means to a usg muppet

23:32:08 asciilifeform: hint - the phrase 'international community'

23:34:12 BingoBoingo: Hearn school of argument: http://www.gomerblog.com/2014/02/lube/

23:34:13 assbot: Man 'Accidentally Falls' on Gerbil That Ran Through Lube - Medical Satire - GomerBlog

23:40:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3364 @ 0.0008478 = 2.852 BTC [-] {2}

23:41:10 punkman: !up WoT-Hater

23:43:17 WoT-Hater: we up in socialist canada don't need the wot, eh? we just trust our good neighbor and maple syrup danielpbarron

23:49:29 ben_vulpes: danielpbarron is a maple syrup?

23:52:57 mircea_popescu: WoT-Hater who're you again ?

23:56:44 WoT-Hater: just a good citizen clicking a link on the internet, sir

23:57:11 mircea_popescu: i guess he clicked once too many.