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00:07:51 assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 914 @ 0.0004995 = 0.4565 BTC [-] {2}

00:08:52 assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 914 @ 0.00051 = 0.4661 BTC [+]

00:13:57 assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 2677 @ 0.00047971 = 1.2842 BTC [-] {5}

00:19:54 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla, srlsy ?

00:21:15 mircea_popescu: "But even if using bitcoins doesn?t make it harder for law enforcement to prove that sex was bought"

00:21:19 mircea_popescu: lmao @wishful thinking.

00:21:37 mircea_popescu: bitcoin makes it impossible to prosecute prostitution charges, which was a tenuous proposition in the first place.

00:22:31 kakobrekla: mircea_popescu srsly

00:22:55 smickles: best hooker i've had charged 2 kids and a house

00:22:55 kakobrekla: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=297334.msg3190573#msg3190573

00:22:58 smickles: ZING!

00:23:02 ozbot: [SolarWind , A Bitcoin Mining Company] 100TH/s Mining Farm - Official Thread

00:28:11 assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 733 @ 0.000499 = 0.3658 BTC [+]

00:29:49 mircea_popescu: o look, it's a smickles !

00:29:58 mircea_popescu: don't tell me you're getting divorced ?!

00:30:06 smickles: naw

00:30:10 smickles: 'twas a joke

00:30:12 kakobrekla: not yet!

00:30:15 mircea_popescu: o, it was rthe other two kids ?

00:32:07 smickles: anyone here know how to get apache to pass a subdomain to localhost, whenever i try it's either all or nothing where i want it to be just the one subdomain and leave the rest alone

00:36:50 jurov: smickles, i don't understand. you want to have different vhosts?

00:40:43 smickles: jurov: well, *.smickles.com (including smickles.com) goes to the usual place, and specific.subdomain.com get's proxypassed to localhost:8000

00:40:58 smickles: i'm starting to think that proxypass isn't the way to do it

00:41:48 jurov: you want only something.smickles.com proxypassed and other subdomains left as is?

00:41:54 smickles: yeah

00:42:02 jurov: you need to use mod_rewrite for that

00:42:33 smickles: well, well, well. we tango again

00:42:55 jurov: ?

00:43:19 smickles: last time i had to do something with mod_rewrite, i blew it all up

00:43:59 jurov: lol... simpleshell.com uses mod_rewrite to proxy pass differetn paths to different places

00:44:08 jurov: updated on the go via .htaccess

00:44:13 jurov: yes i'm so crazy

00:46:34 smickles: it's all fine and dandy unless i somehow fuck up the minecraft people's game

00:47:08 smickles: 'cause hourly backup and 5 min of downtime is unacceptable to them

00:48:08 andrew12: nginx is pretty cool yo

00:48:29 smickles: yeah, what i want to do is like 2 lines on nginx

01:00:24 kakobrekla: jurov

01:00:41 kakobrekla: your simple shell says i can use ping in the instructions

01:00:57 kakobrekla: but its not permited

01:01:03 kakobrekla: scam.

01:03:53 smickles: hmm, ok, wordpress is doing something to catch all subdomains and count them as user registration start pages

01:03:57 smickles: ???

01:13:42 smickles: haha, i must be getting closer, as it redirected to local localhost, rather than the remote localhost

01:14:57 assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 446 @ 0.000499 = 0.2226 BTC [-]

01:18:00 assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 11000 @ 0.00051309 = 5.644 BTC [+] {6}

01:18:34 smickles: got it :)

01:19:01 assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 3 @ 0.0675 = 0.2025 BTC [+]

01:19:01 assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 650 @ 0.0005288 = 0.3437 BTC [+]

01:19:39 smickles: thanks jurov. plus, i didn't blow it all up

01:23:05 assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 500 @ 0.0005288 = 0.2644 BTC [+]

01:24:22 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2013/mpoe-september-2013-statement/

01:24:25 ozbot: MPOE, September 2013 Statement pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

01:25:07 assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 1145 @ 0.00051238 = 0.5867 BTC [-] {2}

01:32:13 smickles: 15 contracts, so few anymore

01:33:04 smickles: i oughtta get a bot going again

01:35:13 smickles: mircea_popescu: why does the "Operational results, MPEx" section look nonsenseical to me?

01:35:17 assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 784 @ 0.0005 = 0.392 BTC [-]

01:35:48 smickles: ~14 + 20 - 12 = ~14?

01:37:19 assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 581 @ 0.00051 = 0.2963 BTC [+]

01:39:21 assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 431 @ 0.00052 = 0.2241 BTC [+]

01:41:23 assbot: [BTCTC] [FN] [DMS.SELLING] 2043 @ 0.00485 = 9.9086 BTC [-]

01:49:31 assbot: [BTCTC] [CIPHERMINE-PT] 19 @ 0.014 = 0.266 BTC [-]

01:50:32 assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 902 @ 0.00048546 = 0.4379 BTC [-] {2}

02:03:31 Diablo-D3: hey its a smickles

02:03:33 Diablo-D3: thats rare

02:03:45 assbot: [BTCTC] [PETA-MINE] 6 @ 0.521 = 3.126 BTC [-]

02:10:52 assbot: [BTCTC] [FN] [DMS.SELLING] 34 @ 0.00485 = 0.1649 BTC [-]

02:24:05 assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 2 @ 0.0639 = 0.1278 BTC [-]

02:27:08 assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 3913 @ 0.00056343 = 2.2047 BTC [+] {7}

02:38:19 assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 1704 @ 0.00055016 = 0.9375 BTC [-] {2}

02:39:20 assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 2000 @ 0.00051573 = 1.0315 BTC [-] {3}

02:43:24 assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 250 @ 0.00052015 = 0.13 BTC [+] {3}

02:45:26 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.475 BTC [+]

03:06:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 642 @ 0.00036967 = 0.2373 BTC [+]

03:15:53 mircea_popescu: smickles, not sure ?

03:16:35 mircea_popescu: o wow right you are, lost a ten. fixing

03:17:42 mircea_popescu: math from a paralel universe.

03:17:55 smickles: woohoo, i contribute

03:18:15 mircea_popescu: :)

03:18:37 kakobrekla: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=301581.0

03:18:39 kakobrekla: players

03:18:44 ozbot: Betcoin fraud... This is just getting ridiculous

03:46:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 31430 @ 0.00033217 = 10.4401 BTC [-] {7}

03:48:28 assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 280 @ 0.0005296 = 0.1483 BTC [+] {2}

03:49:29 assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 29 @ 0.0097 = 0.2813 BTC [-]

03:49:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 6070 @ 0.00032203 = 1.9547 BTC [-]

04:13:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 10 @ 0.01357 = 0.1357 BTC [-]

04:14:22 VanCleef: just reading latest mpex financial report

04:14:46 VanCleef: why are they wasting 12 btc on pr and marketing when mpex now is pretty much completely dead

04:15:26 VanCleef: the marketing Pr isn't working and its costing 12btc every time?

04:15:55 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.482 BTC [+]

04:16:27 mircea_popescu: prolly cause the ceo is clueless and hasn't yet come to these realisations

04:18:17 VanCleef: or just likes killing money

04:19:00 mircea_popescu: he's been known to be outspending all of the various bitcoin jesuses taken together in any given month, so probably that too.

04:19:23 VanCleef: 12btc a month yeh?

04:19:39 mircea_popescu: that's just the marketing and pr that's not working.

04:19:45 mircea_popescu: you should see what the working part costs.

04:20:01 VanCleef: if i was paying someone to do marketing PR for 12btc they better be bringing in new accounts

04:20:07 VanCleef: alot more

04:20:16 mircea_popescu: yeah.

04:20:54 mircea_popescu: same thing with mining, when i plunk down 12 btc for a miner i expect it to have been in my office three weeks prior.

05:14:53 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 8 @ 1.45725 = 11.658 BTC [-] {2}

05:18:57 assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 10 @ 0.04666 = 0.4666 BTC [-]

05:19:58 assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 26 @ 0.0466 = 1.2116 BTC [-] {2}

05:26:04 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.438 BTC [-]

05:32:10 assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 199 @ 0.00053 = 0.1055 BTC [-] {3}

05:35:13 assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 1350 @ 0.00146215 = 1.9739 BTC [+] {2}

05:45:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 487 @ 0.00115054 = 0.5603 BTC [-] {4}

05:58:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 87 @ 0.00116997 = 0.1018 BTC [+]

06:01:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [LABCO] 100 @ 0.00164 = 0.164 BTC [-]

06:03:34 mod6: ugh

06:11:04 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2QQuj34WJM

06:11:05 ozbot: Tricky "Puppy Toy" - YouTube

06:17:23 mod6: ;;bc,stats

06:17:26 gribble: Current Blocks: 260522 | Current Difficulty: 1.4881919980509263E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 262079 | Next Difficulty In: 1557 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 16 hours, 5 minutes, and 57 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 177527240.021 | Estimated Percent Change: 19.29055

06:21:41 mod6: ;;ticker

06:21:41 gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 139.50420, Best ask: 140.96992, Bid-ask spread: 1.46572, Last trade: 139.50418, 24 hour volume: 24408.67095167, 24 hour low: 134.82811, 24 hour high: 142.66000, 24 hour vwap: 138.89580

06:35:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 149 @ 0.01300818 = 1.9382 BTC [-] {5}

06:49:26 assbot: [BTCTC] [FN] [DMS.SELLING] 150 @ 0.00485 = 0.7275 BTC [-]

06:53:30 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 14 @ 1.47864284 = 20.701 BTC [+] {6}

06:55:32 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.49 = 7.45 BTC [+]

07:02:39 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 25 @ 1.49 = 37.25 BTC [+]

07:16:53 assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 22 @ 0.1423 = 3.1306 BTC [-]

07:21:00 mod6: wb

07:23:46 mircea_popescu: why ty.

07:24:00 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 6 @ 1.49 = 8.94 BTC [+]

07:24:41 Vexual: do you wish any twisted revenge on the attacker?

07:25:54 Vexual: if you have any leads, i'd delight in replacing his computer with a broken amstrad

07:26:12 mircea_popescu: what do i care lol.

07:26:41 mircea_popescu: ppl wish to donate their time for the strengthening of mpex and spreading of the gpg goodword, all the better.

07:26:51 Vexual: true as true

07:27:03 assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 1000 @ 0.00054034 = 0.5403 BTC [-] {2}

07:27:11 mircea_popescu: i'll be a lot more worried when everyone stops trying tbh.

07:28:46 mircea_popescu: anyway, i see a bunch of people have already sent their keys, keep em coming.

07:31:40 Vexual: seriously , i need a new computer

07:34:23 mircea_popescu: what, you're on a ductaped together amstrad ?

07:35:17 Vexual: no

07:35:21 mircea_popescu: "what 686 ?! I got a 464!!!"

07:35:34 Vexual: is 686n a thing?

07:35:46 Vexual: is that dual core?

07:36:12 assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 10 @ 0.1423 = 1.423 BTC [-]

07:36:25 mod6: Vexual: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P6_(microarchitecture)

07:37:10 mircea_popescu: [\\\] hm ?

07:37:23 [\]: you were collecting keys, so I started throwing random ones out

07:37:42 mircea_popescu: oty.

07:37:55 [\]: nothing like a keyring with random keys

07:38:04 [\]: it makes unlocking more interesting

07:38:06 mircea_popescu: lolk

07:39:09 mod6: heh, im actually still running a up-to-date 686 fbsd host:

07:39:09 mod6: % dmesg | grep "CPU"

07:39:10 mod6: CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) (900.16-MHz 686-class CPU)

07:39:23 mod6: runs like a champ hahah

07:39:42 Vexual: i burnt my fingerprints off on a 386

07:40:24 Vexual: whot fan?

07:40:28 mircea_popescu: mod6 wouldn't surprise me if they will soon sell at a premium.

07:40:41 mircea_popescu: pretty much the last generation where people can be certain no nsa skulldruggery was added.

07:40:57 mod6: yeah!

07:41:04 Vexual: rasta don't work for no cia

07:42:55 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3St0Q2e_74

07:42:57 ozbot: Bob Marley - Rat Race - YouTube

07:45:02 mod6: This box is the last one remaining of the 5 I built back in 2001 or so. I did replace the PS at one point on this one. But I built these boxes from new parts @ newegg.

07:45:26 Vexual: first celeron?

07:45:40 mod6: All of them were just for my personal NOC. Cost me like $1500 or something. Was a steal at the time for 5 built hosts.

07:46:03 Vexual: i used to sell pcs when i was 15

07:46:17 Vexual: dem profit margins

07:46:33 mod6: Vexual: they were all of the same config -- the athlon 900mhz

07:46:56 mod6: real memory = 268435456 (256 MB)

07:46:57 mod6: lol

07:47:07 mod6: amazing

07:47:07 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

07:47:13 mod6: for reals

07:47:18 Vexual: no shit

07:48:23 mod6: thing has like 12-13 years of nearly 100% uptime. except moves, a few power outages. the PS used to knock so bad because the PS fan had a bad bearing. I finally replaced it.

07:48:42 mod6: Once I did, I missed the white noise from the damn thing.

07:48:44 mod6: haha

07:49:39 mod6: *ka-clack* *ka-clack* *bzzzzz* *ka-clack*

07:50:57 Vexual: they dont build em like the used to

07:51:27 assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 13000 @ 0.00049342 = 6.4145 BTC [-] {19}

07:51:28 mod6: heheh, i suppose they dont. thing used to just run ircd and bind.

07:51:56 Vexual: now hey play fuckin 4k

07:53:26 mod6: speaking of amazing company... is that a new low?

07:53:26 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

07:53:53 mod6: $ave btctc labcoin

07:54:12 Vexual: second hand xbox.million dollars!

07:54:12 [\]: amazing company is amazing

07:54:12 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

07:54:12 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

07:54:20 [\]: oh god

07:54:22 mod6: hahaha

07:54:28 mod6: ut oh

07:54:34 [\]: amazing amazing amazing amazing amazing amazing

07:54:34 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

07:54:34 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

07:54:34 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

07:54:34 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

07:54:34 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

07:54:34 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

07:54:40 [\]: might wanna cap that

07:54:53 mircea_popescu: srls.y

07:55:06 [\]: kakobrekla ^^

07:55:25 [\]: good thing supa isn't around atm

07:56:00 mircea_popescu: mod6 i had a fan do that once. so i took the fan apart.

07:56:02 mircea_popescu: it was a pube.

07:57:26 mod6: lmao

07:57:56 mod6: gotta love it

07:58:24 Vexual: you dont look like the sort with airbourne pubes mp

07:58:44 Vexual: was it blonde?

07:58:54 mircea_popescu: nope.

07:58:55 mircea_popescu: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/argentina/10339296/Six-year-old-becomes-first-transgender-child-in-Argentina-to-change-identity.html

07:58:58 ozbot: Six-year-old becomes first transgender child in Argentina to change identity - Telegraph

07:59:05 mircea_popescu: the Children, Youth and Family Secretary ruled children under 14 were capable of giving consent and cited international human rights

07:59:19 mircea_popescu: get a load of this. children ubnder 14 are now capable of giving consent in argentina.

07:59:35 Vexual: whats new?

08:00:06 Vexual: i was capable at 14

08:00:38 Vexual: i wanted to be a man, and i was well on my way

08:01:19 mod6: !ticker btctc labcoin

08:01:24 assbot: [BTCT:LABCOIN] 1D: 0.0002402 / 0.00048 / 0.0007776 (926722 shares, 447.8 BTC), 7D: 0.0002402 / 0.00125 / 0.002849 (5036941 shares, 6293.9 BTC), 30D: 0.0002402 / 0.00223 / 0.003989 (14342052 shares, 31935.7 BTC)

08:01:28 Vexual: except for the cryind and the stupid decisions

08:01:32 VanCleef: why do you always took about kids n that?

08:01:35 VanCleef: talk

08:01:58 Vexual: in further news, water on mars, bring a laser

08:02:27 VanCleef: obsessed with kids or something

08:02:46 mircea_popescu: i talk about a vast variety of topics.

08:03:04 mod6: Vexual: i saw that on the weather channel of all things.

08:03:07 Vexual: what were you like at 14 vancleef?

08:03:09 VanCleef: lol this is like the 5th time this week i seen you mention kids

08:03:32 VanCleef: i've been scheming since i'm 14, what was your dream?

08:03:43 mircea_popescu: VanCleef Aug 23 17:40:44 <Rulother> I need a bot on here that counts how many times you mention scams and scammers mp

08:03:57 mircea_popescu: that theory didn;'t work out too well either. i just mention everything.

08:04:30 Vexual: fuck man ive been scemeing since i was born man, i could probably scheme this whole thing, and still walk away, wouldn't be no problem at all

08:04:40 Vexual: man

08:04:43 mod6: AMAZING SCAM

08:04:43 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

08:05:30 VanCleef: scams and scammers are fine

08:05:34 VanCleef: should mention that more :P

08:05:34 mircea_popescu: amazingdoesitgrep ?

08:05:46 mircea_popescu: blablamazing

08:05:58 VanCleef: labcoinzing

08:06:00 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWxgfTMLtc0

08:06:01 ozbot: Cheech & Chong - Up In Smoke - Funniest Scenes - YouTube

08:07:06 mircea_popescu: in other news, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gas_gangrene

08:07:56 Vexual: yeah well if your coomputer turns into an amstrad, dont eat nothing from your fridge man

08:08:20 mod6: damn that looks gnarly

08:08:23 VanCleef: hate it when you get gangrene on your balls

08:09:12 mod6: Instead, the discharge is often described as "sweetly putrid" or "dishwater pus" because it is much thinner than normal pus.

08:09:15 mod6: mmm

08:09:27 VanCleef: bbs, trying to eat dinner here

08:09:35 mod6: YAAAA

08:12:48 assbot: [BTCTC] [PETA-MINE] 1 @ 0.5231 BTC [+]

08:20:07 mircea_popescu: mod6 did you get to the hemipelvectomy ?

08:20:37 mod6: haha, yes.

08:20:41 Vexual: sounds nasty

08:21:34 Vexual: were you run over?

08:21:35 mod6: i clicked on that cause of 'wtf' and yah, that looks really not good. apparently this is in the pelvis region. im not super clued on this stuff tho.

08:22:13 mircea_popescu: sorta like a radical vasectomy

08:22:49 Vexual: i turned to alcoholism for my priaprism

08:23:29 mod6: i just think 'how can life go on after such an operation' but alas, life goes on i suppose.

08:24:14 Vexual: life begins after 0.02

08:24:21 mircea_popescu: i think that guy bit it.

08:24:45 mod6: i don't see how one can survive such a tramatic surgery

08:25:20 mod6: but what do i know lol

08:26:01 assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 207 @ 0.000501 = 0.1037 BTC [+]

08:26:09 mod6: *traumatic

08:26:16 Vexual: waaa

08:26:41 Vexual: rhink or the surgeon

08:28:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 1.51015826 = 4.5305 BTC [-] {2}

08:29:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 1.50544 = 7.5272 BTC [-] {4}

08:30:05 assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 1540 @ 0.00050945 = 0.7846 BTC [+] {2}

08:31:06 assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 1059 @ 0.00051782 = 0.5484 BTC [+] {2}

08:31:28 mircea_popescu: so it went to 5 the other way, eventually.

08:31:40 Vexual: leo wheres the fuckin atms?

08:33:07 Vexual: i hope u got a good customs agent in poland or wherever

08:34:33 VanCleef: http://youtu.be/R5mMRiiCwak

08:34:35 ozbot: Bottom percussion PATAX. - YouTube

08:36:28 Vexual: leo you got a loction for your sydney machine yet?

08:37:12 assbot: [BTCTC] [FN] [BTC-GROWTH] 6 @ 0.082 = 0.492 BTC [+]

08:46:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 48 @ 0.013 = 0.624 BTC [-] {2}

08:47:36 mod6: maybe this coming week i'll be able to test out my -assets socket script.

08:48:26 mod6: being free of other obligations for the last ~27 days has been awesome for my side-projects.

08:49:42 mircea_popescu: o hey. finally out of that horror job ?

08:50:28 mod6: yes :)

08:50:46 mod6: so glad.

08:51:03 mircea_popescu: wd.

08:51:52 mod6: thx. took 8 months of wrap up or more. but it was either ditch it, or get in far deeper as there was much more to do coming down the pipe. so to speak.

08:52:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 1.38618998 = 13.8619 BTC [-] {8}

08:53:07 mod6: in the mean time i've been plowing ahead on the android tool. done well with that. gotten RSA clearsign/enc/dec working. so that felt great.

08:56:30 mircea_popescu: cool.

08:56:53 mircea_popescu: i think we're going to see a famine of good crypto products the coming decade.

08:57:05 mircea_popescu: sorta like it was with web apps in the 90s

08:57:13 mod6: i can imagine.

08:57:14 mircea_popescu: (a dead horse the vc noobs are still beating today)

08:58:33 assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.1423 BTC [-]

08:58:48 mod6: it was another strange issue that i ran into a week ago. some of these crypto libs are a bit lacking compared to say what gnupg can do out of the box.

08:59:34 mircea_popescu: some would say "deliberately so

08:59:38 mircea_popescu: "

08:59:46 mod6: bouncy-castle is this lib that is available for use, which works fine with RSA but when it comes to DH/DSS or DSA/ElGamal no worky.

09:00:36 [\]: the android bitcoin wallet uses bouncy-castle

09:00:37 [\]: or did

09:00:38 [\]: I forget

09:00:43 mod6: i actually ended up going through my Applied Crypto book and implemented what amounts to doing this: http://cypherpunks.venona.com/date/1998/12/msg00290.html

09:00:57 mod6: starting here: : ElGamal Encryption with DSA

09:01:17 mircea_popescu: i think if you have to pick one cypher

09:01:23 mircea_popescu: then rsa is probably the correct choice.

09:01:39 mod6: [\\\]: ya, it might. i know that bitcoinj does

09:01:44 mircea_popescu: i orginally thought elgamal was the correct choice, but seems i was wrong

09:02:12 [\]: mod6: bitcoin wallet is based off bitcoinj

09:04:01 mod6: lol *shrug*

09:06:26 mod6: had massive problems trying to use BC for not just DSA sigs, but using ElGamal subkey with DSA pub keys.

09:06:44 mod6: so think i acutally coded myself around it. but now it should be a problem anymore.

09:06:48 mod6: so that's awesome.

09:06:56 mod6: *shouldn't

09:08:10 mod6: im not really saying anything about bitcoin wallet or bitcoinj in particular. just that BC seems to be an incomplete implementation when held up next to gnupg

09:08:50 mod6: or i could just be derp

09:10:42 mircea_popescu: my current curiosity in the field is why isn't cramer?shoup more widely usedf.

09:11:16 mircea_popescu: at any rate it should have been implemented in preference of elgamal

09:11:22 mircea_popescu: or as you say, maybe im just derp.

09:13:21 [\]: bitcoin is an incomplete implementation

09:13:26 [\]: I don't think it was supposed to be

09:14:17 mircea_popescu: i was discussing gpg/pgp/ssh keys/whatever else uses diffie-hellman

09:15:56 mod6: yeah. i think that since elgamal is malleable, using the universal one-way hash to achieve the non-mallebility make cramer-shoup an interesting choice.

09:16:11 mod6: the NSA probably put the kabosh on it lol

09:17:16 mircea_popescu: moreover, that ind-cca2 is juicy

09:17:35 mircea_popescu: afaik the only to satisfy the standard

09:18:36 mircea_popescu: i'd really like to be enlightened as to what practical consideration recommends the use of elgamal still.

09:23:26 mod6: yeah, its strange that elgamal wasn't stayed away from more since it doesn't conform to ind-cca1/2

09:23:58 mircea_popescu: i mean in the 90s right ? i can see it. but it's 2013. we got powah.

09:27:04 mod6: yeah. its prettyamazing

09:27:38 mod6: so here's an implementation of cramer-shoup, kinda looking at it now: http://www.verify-it.de/sub/crypter.html#SOURCES

09:28:18 mod6: fun stuff is here: http://www.verify-it.de/applets/CryptoModule.java

09:29:08 mircea_popescu: i don't presume to read crypto implementations as if i understand anything.

09:29:40 mod6: here's the meat: alpha = hashBitList(pk.k,pk.p,pk.hash,bitListThree(pk.k,u1,u2,e))

09:34:53 mod6: maybe gnupg needs a patch where this is translated to C and DSA/ElGamal are removed

09:35:33 mircea_popescu: if someone did that i'd certainly want to see what the maintainer does.

09:37:11 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 7 @ 1.45014285 = 10.151 BTC [-] {2}

09:37:14 mod6: yah, that'd get interesting.

09:37:58 mircea_popescu: http://packages.qa.debian.org/g/gnupg.html

09:37:59 mod6: i've got all the 1.4.14 src local actually. i was doing some gdb of the sucker recently.

09:38:00 ozbot: Debian Package Tracking System -

09:38:05 mircea_popescu: The current maintainer is looking for someone who can help with the maintenance of this package.

09:38:49 mod6: ahh!

09:39:05 mircea_popescu: maybe you should say hi

09:39:16 mircea_popescu: now that you got out of a shitty job paying not enough for a lot of work

09:39:25 mircea_popescu: time to get a shittier job paying nothing at all for a TON of work.

09:40:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 1.3004 BTC [-]

09:40:21 mod6: LOL

09:40:57 mod6: i'll take a deeper look this coming week.

09:43:39 mod6: next week too (after sunday) i'll be testing to make sure that the RSA enc/dec of the cmds is working as it should.

09:44:18 mod6: actually, i already know it works since i tested them while enc/dec with my own key without having to leave the local system.

09:45:25 mod6: i just need it to interact, get a response and display. once that's done. code cleanup + testing on my actual device instead of the emu.

09:46:01 mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/472/kncminer-will-deliver-asic-devices-before-october-1st/

09:46:06 mod6: then we'll see where that goes.

09:46:07 mircea_popescu: i am guessing nobody actually got a device ? or ?

09:46:13 ozbot: BitBet - KnCMiner will deliver ASIC devices before October 1st

09:47:23 mod6: "Suck it Pizza-dick I will be spending up your sweet sweet btc next weekend :D" << lol

09:48:22 assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 174 @ 0.00979425 = 1.7042 BTC [-] {2}

09:49:23 assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 3011 @ 0.0099 = 29.8089 BTC [+] {2}

09:49:43 mircea_popescu: 26-09-13 23:17 No 29 4.25000000 12LCk / 1Q5nb

09:49:55 mircea_popescu: i like that best. 4 btc bet on like... 29/100`000 weight.

09:50:38 mod6: yeah, yikes

09:51:05 mod6: the calculator thingy is sweet tho

09:51:15 [\]: "ASICMINER will be higher than 2 BTC on October 31st 2013. If assbot relays any trade of any AsicMiner passthrough at or under 2 BTC per share at any point during October 31st, 2013, this bet resolves as No. Otherwise, the bet resolves as Yes."

09:51:18 mircea_popescu: apparently it has just one major design flaw :

09:51:20 [\]: that bet is totally gameable

09:51:21 mircea_popescu: it has to be used.

09:51:26 mod6: haha

09:51:30 [\]: since there is no depth

09:51:54 mircea_popescu: [\\\] asicminer is like... the only OTHER actual company publicly listed.

09:51:56 mircea_popescu: what's one to do ?

09:52:06 mircea_popescu: but yes, it's a weak bet, i wouldn't risk too much dust on it.

09:52:17 [\]: the text is weak

09:52:27 mircea_popescu: how'd you make it ?

09:52:40 [\]: it probably would have been better to structure it was any trade >2 resolves as Yes

09:53:20 [\]: that would constitute "ASICMINER will be higher than 2 BTC on Oct 31, 2013"

09:53:53 [\]: otherwise, the title text should have read ASICMINER will continuously trade >2 BTC on Oct 31, 2013"

09:53:54 mircea_popescu: equally easily gameable.

09:54:16 [\]: there's a difference between A trade and ALL trades on a given day

09:54:21 [\]: further, it doesn't give a timezone

09:54:42 [\]: and since you have multiple PT on multiple TZ, there's more room for error

09:54:55 [\]: but meh

09:55:17 mircea_popescu: bitbet is gmt.

09:55:40 [\]: Where's that listed?

09:56:11 [\]: How do we know what time it is at bitbet?

09:56:24 [\]: nowhere does it say "Time is XYZ"

09:57:01 mircea_popescu: in the faq man.

09:57:16 mod6: What timezone is BitBet in?

09:57:17 mod6: All times are GMT.

09:57:18 mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/faq/#170

09:57:22 ozbot: FAQ BitBet

09:57:28 [\]: ah right

09:59:50 VanCleef: i gotta admit i really enjoy bitbet

09:59:56 VanCleef: and think its pretty genius

10:01:35 mircea_popescu: i personally think most of its potential hasn't really been unlocked yet.

10:01:48 mircea_popescu: the comment section for instance... it's like purified 4chan with something to talk about.

10:06:40 assbot: [BTCTC] [PETA-MINE] 1 @ 0.6498 BTC [+]

10:07:41 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.476 BTC [+]

10:12:46 assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 143 @ 0.001365 = 0.1952 BTC [-]

10:18:36 jurov: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/09/27/1241960/-Twitter-CEO-Blown-Away-by-Iran-President-s-Account-as-Rouhani-Re-Tweets-State-Department

10:18:45 ozbot: Daily Kos: Twitter CEO Blown Away by Iran President's Account as Rouhani Re-Tweets State Department

10:18:46 jurov: omg welcome to age of twatter diplomacy

10:22:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2741 @ 0.00032204 = 0.8827 BTC [+] {2}

10:24:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 941 @ 0.00032204 = 0.303 BTC [+]

10:25:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 15280 @ 0.00032202 = 4.9205 BTC [-] {3}

10:27:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4358 @ 0.00032202 = 1.4034 BTC [-]

10:36:43 mircea_popescu: heh

10:38:38 mircea_popescu: basically after the stunningly cold ownage putin delivered in the ny times, everyone wants to get a finger in the honey jar located in obama's recently decerebrated skull.

10:38:54 mircea_popescu: "look, we can humiliate the us president too!"

10:39:02 mircea_popescu: "almost as cool as putin"

10:40:13 assbot: [BTCTC] [KENILWORTH] 799 @ 0.0014 = 1.1186 BTC [+]

10:43:16 Namworld: ugh, so many requests to cash out BTC-BOND. Anyone wants to get them or should I start liquidating a bit of stuff?

10:45:08 mircea_popescu: Namworld i would say prepare for a freeze in finance. winter's coming.

10:48:39 Namworld: Sounds nice.

10:52:13 Namworld: Let's see what I can cash out... hmm.

10:52:32 [\]: what is btc-bond?

10:53:07 Namworld: Loan

10:53:10 Apocalyptic: Namworld is back, been on vacation ?

10:54:00 Namworld: No, just visiting family. Caught a flu, didn't feel like going on the computer afterward.

11:07:26 Namworld: ok well I found what to liquidate.

11:07:34 Namworld: Goodbye fiat.

11:10:43 assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 4 @ 0.1423 = 0.5692 BTC [-]

11:30:48 Namworld: Redeeming completed.

11:55:27 assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 63 @ 0.01252062 = 0.7888 BTC [-] {6}

11:56:28 assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 37 @ 0.00988143 = 0.3656 BTC [-] {3}

11:58:30 assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 3 @ 0.0565 = 0.1695 BTC [+]

12:00:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [XBOND] [PAID] 0.69348300 BTC to 1`386`966 shares, 50 satoshi per share

12:01:07 Namworld: That's a lot of shares.

12:04:05 mircea_popescu: wd

12:04:36 assbot: [BTCTC] [FN] [DMS.SELLING] 250 @ 0.00486 = 1.215 BTC [+]

12:28:44 Apocalyptic: Namworld, do you have the link to your google spreadsheet ?

12:31:07 Namworld: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AvwwyRGyc1WgdGFKVlAtZVAzOGNqS1Brd05MUlFlT2c

12:31:09 ozbot: Namworld's Portfolio

12:31:21 Namworld: or you mean the google spreadsheet tools thread?

12:32:38 Apocalyptic: nope that's the link i was looking for, thanks !

12:40:11 assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 3000 @ 0.00048612 = 1.4584 BTC [-] {7}

12:49:20 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.464 BTC [-]

12:50:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 501 @ 0.00032199 = 0.1613 BTC [-] {2}

12:53:24 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.466 = 2.932 BTC [+] {2}

12:58:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 10 @ 0.10780556 = 1.0781 BTC [-] {2}

13:00:53 nubbins`: hi

13:04:14 Namworld: Hello

13:15:13 nubbins`: http://www.mint.ca/store/coin/100-for-100-fine-silver-coin-the-grizzly-2014-prod1730001#.UkbRdmQiGv4

13:15:17 ozbot: $100 for $100 Fine Silver Coin - The Grizzly (2014)

13:25:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 400 @ 0.00031902 = 0.1276 BTC [-]

13:25:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 33 @ 0.013 = 0.429 BTC [-] {2}

13:26:57 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.439 BTC [-]

13:26:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.10780556 = 0.539 BTC [-]

13:33:03 assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 2035 @ 0.000509 = 1.0358 BTC [+]

13:35:06 assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 900 @ 0.0005188 = 0.4669 BTC [+]

13:42:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 10 @ 0.01285501 = 0.1286 BTC [-] {2}

13:43:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.012816 = 2.5632 BTC [-]

13:43:56 kakobrekla: morning

13:45:15 assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 800 @ 0.0005188 = 0.415 BTC [+]

13:47:32 Namworld: Hello

13:48:14 Apocalyptic: Namworld, out of curiosity what assets did you liquidate ?

13:49:19 assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 26 @ 0.1423 = 3.6998 BTC [-]

13:49:41 Namworld: Fiat money

13:49:43 kakobrekla: !jd

13:49:44 assbot: Just-Dice stat: 383 BTC profit, 43.2k BTC invested, 142.70 mio bets, 2.08 mio BTC wagered

13:49:56 Namworld: "[07:07] <Namworld> ok well I found what to liquidate.

13:49:57 Namworld: [07:07] <Namworld> Goodbye fiat.

13:50:28 Namworld: Who manages assbot?

13:50:47 kakobrekla: <-

13:51:13 Diablo-D3: Namworld: so are you moving btc-mining or just dropping it?

13:51:33 Namworld: I guess I'll keep an offline list.

13:52:22 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 8 @ 1.43524999 = 11.482 BTC [-] {5}

13:53:11 Diablo-D3: Namworld: how many DMC do you have atm?

13:54:48 Namworld: 471

13:55:13 Diablo-D3: heh

13:56:17 Diablo-D3: Namworld: you own 14% of DMC, I wonder who the other 86% is

13:56:50 Namworld: That much? eh

13:57:27 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.43333333 = 4.3 BTC [-] {2}

13:58:18 Diablo-D3: Namworld: yeah, theres only 4028 left

13:58:21 Diablo-D3: the end is in sight

14:00:30 assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 201 @ 0.001382 = 0.2778 BTC [+]

14:16:46 assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 2000 @ 0.00049 = 0.98 BTC [-]

14:27:57 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.432 = 5.728 BTC [-] {2}

14:29:59 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.42933333 = 4.288 BTC [-] {2}

14:33:02 assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 20 @ 0.047049 = 0.941 BTC [-] {2}

14:39:08 assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 52 @ 0.009551 = 0.4967 BTC [-]

14:39:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [LABCO] 530 @ 0.00036174 = 0.1917 BTC [-] {10}

14:41:17 pigeons: is there a new url for mpex or still coming soon?

14:45:14 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.429 BTC [-]

14:56:58 FabianB_: pigeons: i guess same url, tomorrow noon gmt

14:57:32 nubbins`: ;;later

14:57:33 gribble: Error: "later" is not a valid command.

14:57:38 nubbins`: hm

14:57:42 nubbins`: help me out here

14:58:13 Graet: ;;later tell nubbins` more info needed

14:58:14 gribble: The operation succeeded.

14:58:27 nubbins`: oh, hm

14:58:43 nubbins`: ;;later tell chaang-noi http://www.mint.ca/store/coin/100-for-100-fine-silver-coin-the-grizzly-2014-prod1730001#.UkbtxmQiFKs

14:58:43 gribble: The operation succeeded.

14:59:03 nubbins`: not to split hairs, but "later" obv is a valid command

14:59:08 nubbins`: f you, gribs!

14:59:36 pankkake: ;;later tell

14:59:36 gribble: (later tell <nick> <text>) -- Tells <nick> <text> the next time <nick> is in seen. <nick> can contain wildcard characters, and the first matching nick will be given the note.

14:59:43 pankkake: no, the command is latter tell

15:01:17 pankkake: those coins are very interesting, but not for us eurofags :(

15:05:26 nubbins`: play your cards right, i might sell you one ;)

15:05:38 nubbins`: i have a few of these too: http://www.mint.ca/store/coin/20-for-20-fine-silver-coin-iceberg-and-whale-2013-prod1690016?o_action=crossSell

15:06:10 nubbins`: it's a poor price for the amount of silver

15:06:24 nubbins`: but they're sold at face value, so there's no risk of losing money on the deal

15:09:19 Namworld: The canadian mints makes WAY too many coins.

15:09:45 Namworld: There's hundreds upon hundreds of designs in all sort of denominations and metal contents.

15:11:15 pankkake: oh, so there's a face value that is actually higher than the silver value?

15:11:42 Diablo-D3: Namworld: yeah and the hilarious part is

15:11:45 Diablo-D3: they're only worth the metal

15:12:20 Diablo-D3: its why I'll accept gold and silver from any major mint

15:13:30 nubbins`: pankkake: yep, it's an oddity in that regard

15:13:36 nubbins`: the 1oz silver rounds have a face value of $5

15:13:54 nubbins`: and the $20 for $20 silver coins are, i think, 1/4oz

15:14:08 nubbins`: Namworld: they make SO MANY coins. Didja see all the superman ones?

15:14:43 Diablo-D3: nubbins`: lol what

15:14:50 Diablo-D3: silver is ~$22 an oz

15:14:52 Diablo-D3: lol.

15:15:52 Diablo-D3: thats USD not canadian

15:15:55 nubbins`: find me a coin with a face value equal to its silver content

15:16:06 Diablo-D3: you wont

15:16:14 nubbins`: exactly

15:16:17 Diablo-D3: although a bitcoin denominated one would be

15:16:34 nubbins`: i guess i'm mildly confused about the lol

15:16:46 Diablo-D3: nubbins`: face values are lol to me

15:16:51 nubbins`: ah yeah

15:16:53 Diablo-D3: they have no relevance

15:16:58 Diablo-D3: you know what 1 oz of silver is worth?

15:17:02 Diablo-D3: 1 oz of silver.

15:17:13 Diablo-D3: thats all its wortth

15:17:14 nubbins`: well, see, that's what's funny about these 20 for 20/100 for 100 coins

15:17:17 Diablo-D3: thats its denomination

15:17:36 Diablo-D3: 1 oz silver or gold IS a denomination

15:17:43 nubbins`: they could just as well be steel coins

15:17:55 Diablo-D3: yes, and if it was steel, 1 oz of steel would be the denomination

15:18:02 truffles: would be nice to lug around silver coins everywhere too

15:18:07 Namworld: The face value is always completly unrelated to metal contents

15:18:07 nubbins`: well, no

15:18:16 Diablo-D3: Namworld: no, oz IS the face value

15:18:25 Diablo-D3: dollars, yen, euros, oz.

15:18:29 Diablo-D3: they are all the same thing

15:18:33 Diablo-D3: units of currency

15:18:42 nubbins`: ...

15:18:54 Diablo-D3: for anything but oz to be inscribed on a coin or bar is nonsensical

15:19:03 nubbins`: so, say, a US quarter

15:19:07 Diablo-D3: that'd be like writing $1USD (90 CDN cents) on a dollar bill

15:19:10 nubbins`: nonsensical for it to say 25 cents?

15:19:12 Diablo-D3: nubbins`: is not a precious metal

15:19:27 nubbins`: yes, correct

15:19:38 Diablo-D3: now, if it was a SILVER quarter, yes, it'd be nonsensical to write 25 cents on it

15:19:44 Diablo-D3: because its not worth 25 cents, its worth more.

15:19:49 nubbins`: yes

15:19:55 nubbins`: and that's why i find these coins so interesting

15:20:02 nubbins`: they're only worth about $6 as silver

15:20:14 nubbins`: but i can walk into a store and purchase $20 worth of goods with it

15:20:30 nubbins`: yaknow?

15:20:30 Diablo-D3: wait, what?

15:20:35 nubbins`: it's legal tender

15:20:36 truffles: thats cuz humans are so silly

15:20:43 nubbins`: the mint makes them

15:20:48 Diablo-D3: nubbins`: they put $20 on $6 of silver?!

15:20:49 Namworld: It's legal tender. It's like those worthless paper bills

15:20:53 nubbins`: yes!!

15:20:57 Diablo-D3: WHAT THE FUCK

15:20:58 Diablo-D3: thats insane

15:21:03 nubbins`: I KNOW

15:21:07 nubbins`: THAT'S WHY THEY'RE SO AWESOME

15:21:11 Namworld: The paper isn't worth $20, it's still $20

15:21:13 Diablo-D3: MIND BLOWN

15:21:16 nubbins`: the $100 coin is only slightly over 1ozt

15:21:17 pankkake: who gives you the $20 if you want them, the mint?

15:21:27 Diablo-D3: Namworld: well, to be fair, I _prefer_ the physical currency being worthless

15:21:27 pigeons: no the $20 worth of silver ones are marked $1. seriously

15:21:43 nubbins`: pankkake: you mean, how can i exchange my $20 coin for $20?

15:21:48 pankkake: yes

15:21:53 Diablo-D3: Namworld: its a representational currency

15:21:56 truffles: Diablo-D3, why??

15:21:57 nubbins`: walk into a store and hand it to the cashier

15:22:05 Diablo-D3: Namworld: if a $100 gets ripped up, its easy to replace with a brand new bill

15:22:07 nubbins`: or walk into a bank and deposit it to your account

15:22:12 pankkake: nubbins`: well, I doubt they would accept it

15:22:16 pankkake: ok maybe the bank

15:22:16 Diablo-D3: $100 of silver is destroyed, well, its going to cost money to fix

15:22:27 nubbins`: pankkake: they might have to call a manager over

15:22:28 truffles: find a mine?

15:22:34 Namworld: That's what's odd about canadian mint coins. You could have a 100 face value coin with 20 dollars worth of silver or a 5 dollar face value coin with 1000 dollars worth of gold in it.

15:22:38 nubbins`: pankkake: but it's legal tender. they can't refuse it

15:22:43 pankkake: so this coin is interesting only for a canadian anyway

15:22:45 Diablo-D3: Namworld: wtf

15:22:50 Diablo-D3: Namworld: the second part makes much more sense

15:22:57 Diablo-D3: Im totally use to coins that are worth far more than their face value

15:22:59 nubbins`: pankkake: well, if you could deposit CAD in your USD bank account...

15:23:10 Diablo-D3: because gold and silver prices are stable wrt fiat

15:23:19 Diablo-D3: 1 oz of gold is always 1 oz of gold

15:23:25 Diablo-D3: $1 USD may not always be $1 USD.

15:23:35 nubbins`: what?

15:23:43 truffles: is that why you want to end paper currency?

15:23:45 Diablo-D3: since the opening of the fed, we're at like, what, $1 USD = 3 cents?

15:23:47 nubbins`: give me a situation where $1USD != $1USD

15:23:52 pigeons: yeah canada's commemorative coins are marked many times below their silver content value, so this guy is just mistaken

15:23:53 Diablo-D3: nubbins`: inflation

15:24:12 Diablo-D3: nubbins`: a unit of currency is supposed to be a stable representation of purchasing power

15:24:14 nubbins`: ehh...

15:24:21 Diablo-D3: inflation depletes the purchasing power of currency

15:24:30 truffles: when your Bitcoins get hacked, how does it get fixed?

15:24:34 Diablo-D3: pre-Fed USD is worth far more than USD now.

15:24:37 nubbins`: pigeons: i'm mistaken?

15:24:44 pigeons: yes

15:24:50 nubbins`: Diablo-D3: fair enough, although that's an odd way to say it

15:24:56 nubbins`: pigeons: on what point am i mistaken?

15:25:02 pigeons: what is the face value of a silver maple leaf?

15:25:06 Diablo-D3: nubbins`: well, this is what fiat currency does to you, it makes you think what I said was odd

15:25:07 nubbins`: $5

15:25:14 Namworld: Like this, 500 CAD coin with 5 oz of gold in it: http://www.mint.ca/store/coin/5-oz-pure-gold-coin-an-aboriginal-story-mintage-100-2013-prod1700007#.Ukb0dD8phsI

15:25:23 pigeons: how miuch silver is in it?

15:25:34 nubbins`: 1oz

15:25:35 Diablo-D3: nubbins`: if I build a time machine, shovel a million dollars into it, go back in time to the day the Fed was opened

15:25:35 Namworld: Or this 100 CAD coin with about 1 oz of silver in it: http://www.mint.ca/store/coin/100-for-100-fine-silver-coin-the-grizzly-2014-prod1730001#.Ukb0wz8phsI

15:25:44 Diablo-D3: nubbins`: I become one of the richest men alive

15:25:49 pigeons: ok so deposit your $30 of silver in the bank and you get $5

15:25:57 Diablo-D3: nubbins`: but now, millionares are a dime a dozen

15:26:01 truffles: time machine i wouldnt chose that ..

15:26:04 nubbins`: pigeons: yes, but nobody would do that

15:26:05 Namworld: or this 25 CAD for 1 oz silver coin: http://www.mint.ca/store/coin/100-for-100-fine-silver-coin-the-grizzly-2014-prod1730001#.Ukb0wz8phsI

15:26:13 nubbins`: pigeons: they'd sell it as metal

15:26:25 Namworld: This one has almost the same face value as silver content...

15:26:27 Diablo-D3: Namworld: thats insane

15:26:43 truffles: id go tell Princess Diana dont get the car

15:26:50 Namworld: As I said, face value and metal contents are always completly unrelated with canadian mint coins.

15:27:04 nubbins`: see, the mint itself sells coins at HUGE markups

15:27:07 Namworld: Beside, they're heavily marked up.

15:27:17 Diablo-D3: so wait

15:27:21 Diablo-D3: if I went to the mint

15:27:24 Diablo-D3: with an oz of coin

15:27:25 Diablo-D3: er

15:27:27 Diablo-D3: an oz of silver

15:27:31 nubbins`: they sell silver maple leafs for $95, where you can buy them from any coin shop for $25

15:27:32 Diablo-D3: and asked them to make me a $100 coin

15:27:33 Diablo-D3: they would?

15:27:36 nubbins`: Diablo-D3: no

15:27:37 pigeons: not anymore

15:27:40 Diablo-D3: damnit

15:27:44 pigeons: they used to would make you a $1 coin

15:27:44 Diablo-D3: because I'd totally show up with a ton

15:27:51 pigeons: but not anymore

15:27:51 Diablo-D3: and walk away with several quadrillion dollars

15:28:10 nubbins`: anyway, the point i was making is

15:28:13 Namworld: They only make a bunch of models each year and make a few 10000s of each coin

15:28:23 Namworld: like 100-200 models yearly I guess.

15:28:29 Diablo-D3: Namworld: thats insane

15:28:33 Diablo-D3: you know how much the US mint makes?

15:28:34 nubbins`: usually with bullion coins, nobody gives a fuck about the face value because it's more valuable as bullion

15:28:35 Diablo-D3: one of every size.

15:28:38 Namworld: and sell for about 1-3x metal content value

15:28:42 nubbins`: but with these 20 for 20 / 100 for 100 coins

15:28:45 Diablo-D3: nubbins`: this is what Im saying

15:28:50 nubbins`: they're worth more as face value than bullion

15:28:53 Diablo-D3: oz of precious metal IS the face value, its a unit of currency

15:28:59 pigeons: no its the opposite nubbins`

15:29:11 nubbins`: no it's not

15:29:11 pigeons: oh your talking about some special ones, sorry

15:29:14 nubbins`: yeah

15:29:16 nubbins`: one sec

15:29:20 Namworld: It definitly should be. You can't put a fixed fiat value on a precious metal coin.

15:29:21 nubbins`: http://www.mint.ca/store/coin/100-for-100-fine-silver-coin-the-grizzly-2014-prod1730001#.Ukb1L2QiFKt

15:29:23 Diablo-D3: yeah, hes talking about ones that have $5 of metal in them for $20

15:29:25 ozbot: $100 for $100 Fine Silver Coin - The Grizzly (2014)

15:29:27 Diablo-D3: if you buy them for $5

15:29:27 nubbins`: $100 face value, but only 1oz silver

15:29:28 pigeons: oh

15:29:30 Diablo-D3: and use them for $20

15:29:33 Diablo-D3: you made a profit

15:29:40 Diablo-D3: they shouldnt be legal

15:29:45 Diablo-D3: and any coin collector should reject them

15:29:52 nubbins`: Diablo-D3: you cant buy them for $5

15:29:53 truffles: learn something new everyday itc

15:30:01 nubbins`: you can only buy them for $20

15:30:08 Diablo-D3: Ive never seen a coin where the face value isnt a tiny fraction of the actual value

15:30:19 Diablo-D3: nubbins`: you can from a coin collector whos selling them for weight

15:30:20 pigeons: well old coins

15:30:25 nubbins`: Diablo-D3: no you can't

15:30:32 nubbins`: Diablo-D3: because the coin collector paid $20 each

15:30:38 Namworld: They're purely collector coins/souvenir/memorabilia. I don't think they're meant for investment nor circulation.

15:30:42 Diablo-D3: nubbins`: I think you misunderstood

15:30:45 Diablo-D3: coin collectors are faggots

15:30:51 nubbins`: the mint is the only place you can buy these coins

15:30:57 Diablo-D3: people who buy gold and silver by the oz do not care what the face value is

15:30:57 nubbins`: and they're selling them at face value

15:31:15 Diablo-D3: so if you show up with an oz of silver, I am paying you $2x for it.

15:31:19 nubbins`: yes

15:31:21 Diablo-D3: I dont care if the coin says $100 CDN

15:31:25 nubbins`: correcty

15:31:28 Diablo-D3: because its worth what the silver spot price is.

15:31:45 nubbins`: agreed

15:31:59 nubbins`: and that's why nobody would bring these coins to you

15:32:04 Diablo-D3: however, it doesnt stop me from using that as $100 of fiat currency because canada is retarded

15:32:05 nubbins`: and sell them for spot

15:32:26 nubbins`: they'd keep them, or sell them to coin collectors at a profit, or spend them at the grocery store

15:32:38 Diablo-D3: seriously, do you know how simple it is to make fake coins?

15:32:58 Diablo-D3: melt down existing silver, pour it into a 3D printed mold of a $100 coin

15:33:00 Diablo-D3: profit

15:33:06 nubbins`: essentially, the mint is saying "hey, trade your shitty paper money for sweet coins with a tiny bit of silver"

15:33:15 nubbins`: Diablo-D3: so what are you waiting for?

15:33:23 Diablo-D3: Im not canadian

15:33:26 nubbins`: so?

15:33:37 nubbins`: free money machine. buy a plane ticket

15:33:40 Diablo-D3: I dont own a 3D printer

15:33:50 nubbins`: free money machine. buy a 3d printer

15:33:53 Diablo-D3: Im already on a government watch list and they're reading what Im writing anyhow

15:34:00 Diablo-D3: hi guys

15:34:03 truffles: lol

15:34:06 Apocalyptic: lulz

15:34:08 truffles: we're all on it silly

15:34:08 nubbins`: free money machine. get it mailed to your mom's house

15:34:23 Diablo-D3: nubbins`: my mom died, and this IS my mom's house

15:34:25 nubbins`: anyway

15:34:43 nubbins`: you're trying to tell me you can hand-pour silver into a 3d printed mould

15:34:48 nubbins`: and it'll pass muster?

15:34:49 nubbins`: lel

15:34:58 Diablo-D3: nubbins`: at a local grocer? yes

15:35:06 Diablo-D3: to a coin collector? nope

15:35:27 nubbins`: i see what you're saying

15:35:38 nubbins`: a private citizen would be crazy to accept one of these coins as legal tender

15:35:48 Diablo-D3: nubbins`: yes, but if its canadian legal currency

15:35:49 nubbins`: so i go to the bank instead. problem solved

15:35:50 Diablo-D3: they MUST accept it

15:36:05 nubbins`: well, "must" is a funny word

15:36:11 nubbins`: they say no, what are you gonna do? call the cops?

15:36:12 Diablo-D3: well, in the US its must

15:36:19 Diablo-D3: in canada its probably not a legal requirement

15:36:21 nubbins`: bring them to court?

15:36:28 Diablo-D3: nubbins`: walk out with the goods

15:36:37 nubbins`: then THEY call the cops

15:36:39 truffles: lol

15:36:46 Diablo-D3: yup, and then you tell the cops they refused payment

15:36:58 nubbins`: and then you're explaining to the cops what this funny coin is

15:37:10 nubbins`: and then you get charged with counterfeiting currency

15:37:11 Diablo-D3: nope

15:37:15 Diablo-D3: they call the secret service

15:37:19 Diablo-D3: which then verifies its legal tender

15:37:32 truffles: not before getting tazed lol

15:37:41 Diablo-D3: truffles: cops dont taze people around here

15:37:46 nubbins`: they're gonna verify your hand-poured coin as legal tender?

15:37:47 Diablo-D3: most of them dont even care tazers, they're too dangerous

15:37:53 Diablo-D3: nubbins`: they cant tell the difference

15:38:02 Diablo-D3: it'll just look like tarnished silver

15:38:14 nubbins`: have you ever seen a hand-poured coin?

15:38:21 truffles: maybe not in the good ole days, they seem pretty trigger happy nowadays imo

15:38:27 nubbins`: and have you ever seen the level of detain in these silver coins from the mint?

15:38:32 Diablo-D3: nubbins`: I have, some of them are exceedingly clever

15:39:01 Diablo-D3: nubbins`: some people have even made stamping machines

15:39:09 nubbins`: oh, yeah, no doubt

15:39:09 Diablo-D3: since silver is such a soft metal

15:39:17 nubbins`: but it's an incredibly labourious process to make dies

15:39:24 Diablo-D3: yup

15:39:26 nubbins`: seems like a terrible way to scam money

15:39:43 Diablo-D3: this is why face value is supposed to be way below actual value

15:39:49 Diablo-D3: so this doesnt happen

15:40:49 Diablo-D3: a 1 oz US eagle is like $25 face value

15:41:01 nubbins`: o really?

15:41:34 nubbins`: anyway, point being, i think these coins are great

15:41:57 nubbins`: and i don't forsee any problems with exchanging them as face value

15:42:00 nubbins`: at least at the bank

15:43:41 truffles: what if crypton like element or whatever found on mars in next 30 years replaces both gold and silver

15:44:32 truffles: not a big deal for us, some of us wont make it that far i guess

15:49:19 nubbins`: lel

15:50:11 nubbins`: you know that krypton is real, right?

15:50:29 Diablo-D3: its real, but its not what superman thought it was

15:50:34 nubbins`: nah

15:50:37 nubbins`: i wish ;(

15:50:49 Diablo-D3: its element 36

15:51:03 Diablo-D3: makes pink neon lights

15:51:08 nubbins`: http://www.mint.ca/store/coin/75-14kt.-gold-coin-supermantrade-the-early-years-mintage-2000-2013-prod1690049#.Ukb66WQiFKs

15:51:11 ozbot: $75 14-Kt. Gold Coin - Superman™: The Early Years - Mintage: 2,000 (2013)

15:51:15 nubbins`: conversation just went full circle

15:51:39 pankkake: and it's the Man of Steel

15:51:43 nubbins`: !!!

15:51:51 nubbins`: mind blown

15:51:56 nubbins`: although i have to say

15:52:04 nubbins`: this whole "coloured coin" kick the mint's on lately sucks

15:52:09 nubbins`: they look so crappy

15:52:25 nubbins`: http://www.mint.ca/store/buy/coloured_coins-cat200032

15:52:29 ozbot: Royal Canadian Mint Coloured Coins

15:54:21 Namworld: There's glow in the dark coins too

15:54:32 kakobrekla: also buttcoins

15:54:38 pankkake: I hope someone does My Little Pony coins

15:54:53 nubbins`: http://www.mint.ca/store/coin/1-oz-fine-silver-coin-canadian-maple-canopy-spring-mintage-7500-2013-prod1670009#.Ukb7uWQiFKs

15:54:55 nubbins`: that one's kinda cool

15:54:56 ozbot: 1 oz Fine Silver Coin - Canadian Maple Canopy (Spring) - Mintage 7500 (2013)

15:55:00 nubbins`: most of them are butt ugly

15:55:28 pankkake: it's the only one that didn't strike me as ugly yeah

16:00:50 nubbins`: anyway i have tenants moving in tomorrow, gotta clean up a bit

16:00:51 truffles: coin collecting seems like an expensive use of space

16:00:51 nubbins`: peace

16:00:59 truffles: bye

16:11:39 assbot: [BTCTC] [KENILWORTH] 444 @ 0.0014 = 0.6216 BTC [+] {2}

16:39:06 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 7 @ 1.445 = 10.115 BTC [+]

16:47:14 assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 10000 @ 0.00051671 = 5.1671 BTC [+] {5}

16:49:16 assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 1229 @ 0.00066276 = 0.8145 BTC [+] {4}

16:56:23 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.432 BTC [-]

17:09:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 500 @ 0.0003191 = 0.1596 BTC [+]

17:13:40 assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 8 @ 0.04700125 = 0.376 BTC [-] {2}

17:13:40 assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.1423 BTC [-]

17:15:42 assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 3502 @ 0.00053703 = 1.8807 BTC [+] {5}

17:19:46 assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 264 @ 0.001388 = 0.3664 BTC [+]

17:20:47 assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 396 @ 0.00138833 = 0.5498 BTC [+] {3}

17:27:54 assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 3637 @ 0.00055946 = 2.0348 BTC [+] {7}

17:31:58 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.432 = 2.864 BTC [-]

17:32:59 assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 15 @ 0.047 = 0.705 BTC [-]

17:35:01 assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 275 @ 0.00055 = 0.1513 BTC [-]

17:38:04 assbot: [BTCTC] [NASTY-PT] 203 @ 0.00102216 = 0.2075 BTC [+] {2}

17:43:09 assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1984 @ 0.0004 = 0.7936 BTC [-]

17:44:10 assbot: [BTCTC] [BFMINES] 1192 @ 0.00100184 = 1.1942 BTC [+] {2}

17:45:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 10000 @ 0.00031901 = 3.1901 BTC [-] {2}

17:45:12 assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 600 @ 0.00800013 = 4.8001 BTC [-] {2}

17:56:22 assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 18 @ 0.047 = 0.846 BTC [-]

18:15:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 10 @ 0.012585 = 0.1259 BTC [-] {2}

18:17:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3000 @ 0.00031666 = 0.95 BTC [-] {2}

18:26:52 assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 84 @ 0.04665976 = 3.9194 BTC [-] {4}

18:29:55 assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 7171 @ 0.00058093 = 4.1658 BTC [+] {6}

18:31:57 assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 24 @ 0.1423 = 3.4152 BTC [-] {2}

18:32:58 assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.138 = 0.276 BTC [-]

18:32:59 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.431 BTC [-]

18:41:06 assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 1496 @ 0.000605 = 0.9051 BTC [+]

19:03:59 smickles: ;;later tell mircea_popescu what RNG did you use for the new mpex key?

19:03:59 gribble: The operation succeeded.

19:04:13 smickles: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://www.computing.co.uk/ctg/news/2295881/rsa-warns-customers-against-nsa-compromised-security-product

19:04:13 gribble: The operation succeeded.

19:05:04 smickles: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://www.debian.org/security/2008/dsa-1576

19:05:05 gribble: The operation succeeded.

19:08:50 jurov: simckles, the RSA news is old and about proprietary product

19:09:03 jurov: *smickles

19:09:53 smickles: jurov: i thought i was pointing out that the opensource stuff was fixed back in 2008, if he used the proprietary stuff it'd be no good

19:09:55 jurov: and we did talk with mp about secure random numbers generation recently, so he certainy hasn't forgotten

19:10:10 smickles: cool cool

19:10:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 78 @ 0.00298 = 0.2324 BTC [+]

19:11:15 smickles: ;;later tell mircea_popescu jurov tell me i'm being useless today

19:11:15 gribble: The operation succeeded.

19:11:18 smickles: ;P

19:11:47 jurov: oh no

19:12:37 assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 345 @ 0.00060099 = 0.2073 BTC [-] {2}

19:20:45 assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 2000 @ 0.00059018 = 1.1804 BTC [-] {2}

19:20:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 130 @ 0.0029 = 0.377 BTC [-] {2}

19:21:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 6200 @ 0.0003191 = 1.9784 BTC [+]

19:22:47 assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 558 @ 0.0006 = 0.3348 BTC [+]

19:23:49 assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 372 @ 0.000599 = 0.2228 BTC [-]

19:26:51 assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 2367 @ 0.00063348 = 1.4994 BTC [+] {5}

19:27:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.0125 = 0.375 BTC [-] {2}

19:27:53 assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 400 @ 0.0006429 = 0.2572 BTC [+]

19:28:53 assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 600 @ 0.0006429 = 0.3857 BTC [+] {2}

19:42:06 assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 300 @ 0.000643 = 0.1929 BTC [+]

19:42:26 Kleeck__: Why ^?

19:44:52 tyrion70: cheap? :p

19:49:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.01253 = 0.2506 BTC [+]

19:51:15 assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 7000 @ 0.0006462 = 4.5234 BTC [+] {6}

19:56:26 thestringpuller: !ticker btctc labcoin

19:56:37 assbot: [BTCT:LABCOIN] 1D: 0.0004189 / 0.00063 / 0.0007776 (298783 shares, 187.1 BTC), 7D: 0.0002402 / 0.00124 / 0.002849 (5025414 shares, 6227.4 BTC), 30D: 0.0002402 / 0.00217 / 0.003989 (13839666 shares, 29972 BTC)

19:56:59 thestringpuller: that's insane

19:58:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 105 @ 0.01254999 = 1.3177 BTC [+] {2}

20:05:01 thestringpuller: ;;calc 30000 * 120

20:05:02 gribble: 3600000

20:05:14 thestringpuller: 3.6 mn dollars worth of trades in 30 days huh

20:06:11 tyrion70: insane huh :P

20:06:30 assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 300 @ 0.000591 = 0.1773 BTC [-]

20:08:32 assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 1814 @ 0.0006498 = 1.1787 BTC [+] {7}

20:17:48 pankkake: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=304208.0

20:17:53 ozbot: Plans to reinstate BTC-TC: Don't panic

20:21:37 Kleeck__: LOL@bitbet question for kslaugher interview.

20:21:46 Kleeck__: was that you pankkake?

20:21:55 pankkake: no, I'm missed the interview too

20:22:00 Kleeck__: It's re-airing now.

20:22:31 Kleeck__: Someone asked if they'd be willing to place a bitbet guarentee on their mining ship date. :)

20:23:46 kakobrekla: urlpls

20:23:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 427 @ 0.01255 = 5.3589 BTC [+]

20:23:54 pankkake: http://bitcast-radio.com/radio/

20:24:13 Kleeck__: dj is bad.

20:24:19 Kleeck__: Glad he's reading other people's questions.

20:24:39 kakobrekla: oh this is 'live'

20:24:41 kakobrekla: umm

20:24:45 Kleeck__: It was. This is the second replay.

20:24:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 148 @ 0.01345945 = 1.992 BTC [+] {3}

20:24:49 kakobrekla: so what did he respond to bitbet

20:25:41 Kleeck__: He said no, in a round-about way. "There are too many other parties involved, but if we push back our ship date we'll compensate with more hashing power per late ship"

20:25:56 kakobrekla: meh

20:26:48 Kleeck__: Not sure if I'd rather have more hashing power later or half of my money back, ala Terrahash.

20:26:50 Kleeck__: ;P

20:27:02 thestringpuller: NEW SUBJECT

20:27:07 thestringpuller: topic is now about hip hop

20:27:10 thestringpuller: Who killed Tupac?

20:27:44 pankkake: Tupac didn't die, he went underground to write Bitcoin

20:28:08 mod6: ^^^

20:28:19 thestringpuller: i knew that would bring mod6 out of hiding :D

20:28:25 mod6: lol

20:29:03 thestringpuller: we need more people from compton here

20:29:10 thestringpuller: or detroit

20:29:21 thestringpuller: I think a bitcoin bank in detroit would be perfect, the feds wouldn't care

20:29:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 500 @ 0.01391538 = 6.9577 BTC [+] {6}

20:29:58 mod6: small buttonwood meetup would be cool.

20:30:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 454 @ 0.01399233 = 6.3525 BTC [+] {3}

20:30:55 assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 300 @ 0.000611 = 0.1833 BTC [-]

20:44:07 assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 8 @ 1.430875 = 11.447 BTC [-] {5}

20:51:07 thestringpuller: army of meee

20:59:22 assbot: [BTCTC] [FN] [DMS.SELLING] 120 @ 0.00486111 = 0.5833 BTC [-] {3}

21:06:10 jurov: why they won't care for derptroit?

21:06:51 dexX7: oh did i already miss the ken interview?

21:11:34 assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 2136 @ 0.00061044 = 1.3039 BTC [-] {4}

21:13:36 assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 1626 @ 0.0006 = 0.9756 BTC [-]

21:26:49 assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 4500 @ 0.00058893 = 2.6502 BTC [-] {9}

21:33:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1150 @ 0.00036497 = 0.4197 BTC [+] {2}

21:38:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 1.39799999 = 27.96 BTC [+] {3}

21:38:01 assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 1749 @ 0.00058316 = 1.0199 BTC [-] {2}

21:40:22 deizel: dexX7: i threw together a transcript, http://pastebin.com/6tSK3DGJ

21:40:44 dexX7: nice, thanks!

21:41:23 dexX7: how did he sound? grimly? xD

21:47:22 deizel: heh, southern american accent, laid back tone (engineer) rather than over enthusiastic (sales, pr), sounded like he knew what he was talking about

21:49:11 assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 2382 @ 0.00061044 = 1.4541 BTC [+] {3}

21:49:46 dexX7: soso.. :)

21:50:12 assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 794 @ 0.00062 = 0.4923 BTC [+]

21:50:45 dexX7: actm is getting more and more solid imho. basically not much has changed, but from time to time i'm almost surprised how solid ken handles stuff

22:31:53 assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 729 @ 0.00059 = 0.4301 BTC [-]

23:10:50 Namworld: Holy damn shit

23:10:54 Namworld: https://www.secondmarket.com/

23:10:58 Namworld: I hadn't noticed...

23:11:02 ozbot: SecondMarket - The Reinvented Stock Market

23:11:03 Namworld: How old is that?

23:11:49 dexX7: oh only a few days

23:12:00 dexX7: less than a week

23:13:34 assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 426 @ 0.000625 = 0.2663 BTC [-]

23:14:17 Namworld: I don't see it on bitcointalk.org

23:15:03 Namworld: ah, I see its in speculation, none in investment tho

23:18:05 nubbins`: hi

23:18:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 1017 @ 0.0011501 = 1.1697 BTC [-] {3}

23:19:17 dexX7: http://btckan.com/price wtf BTC100 has allegedly a trading volume of 107941.02 BTC within the last 24 hours (btctalk: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=304235.0)

23:20:11 pankkake: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=263445.msg3257525#msg3257525 goodbye labcoin

23:20:17 ozbot: [LABCOIN] IPO [BTCT.CO] - Details/FAQ and Discussion (ASIC dev/sales/mining)

23:21:01 dexX7: wow lol

23:21:08 dexX7: big selling inc

23:21:10 nubbins`: hahahahahahaha

23:21:29 nubbins`: heavy lels

23:21:42 assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 10779 @ 0.00116652 = 12.5739 BTC [-] {7}

23:21:42 assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 28363 @ 0.00054356 = 15.417 BTC [-] {16}

23:22:43 assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 80499 @ 0.00043 = 34.6146 BTC [-] {50}

23:23:44 assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 16503 @ 0.00038785 = 6.4007 BTC [-] {12}

23:23:52 dexX7: "Your zenpad was delivered, albeit with some delay. I don't think it's fair to call us scammers. Could you please take down this report ? we would sincerely appreciate it"

23:26:21 dexX7: so ... a former glbse scammer is befriended with those who run labcoin?

23:27:50 Diablo-D3: its faster

23:28:10 Namworld: I think I'm out with fiat.

23:28:21 Diablo-D3: ;;ticker

23:28:21 gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 142.04000, Best ask: 142.49999, Bid-ask spread: 0.45999, Last trade: 142.49999, 24 hour volume: 13295.67031081, 24 hour low: 138.02021, 24 hour high: 143.00000, 24 hour vwap: 140.68919

23:28:37 Namworld: With a serious vehicle for instituational investors to put money in Bitcoins.

23:29:32 kakobrekla: http://codinginmysleep.com/lessons-learned-from-the-bdt-fiasco/

23:29:40 ozbot: Lessons Learned From the BDT Fiasco - Coding In My Sleep - A Bitcoin Blog

23:29:41 kakobrekla: NONE

23:29:44 nubbins`: lel

23:30:32 nubbins`: huh. regarding those $20 for $20 coins we were talking about earlier:

23:30:34 nubbins`: "(2.1) In the case of coins of a denomination greater than ten dollars, a payment referred to in subsection (1) may consist of not more than one coin, and the payment is a legal tender for no more than the value of a single coin of that denomination."

23:30:51 assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 61071 @ 0.00036398 = 22.2286 BTC [-] {18}

23:31:15 pankkake: I don't get it

23:31:29 nubbins`: im reading about paying for things with coins

23:31:30 dexX7: this guy deleted his friendship

23:31:53 assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 38288 @ 0.00034449 = 13.1898 BTC [-] {13}

23:31:56 nubbins`: and apparently if the coin has a face value greater than $10, the other party can refuse to accept more than one coin

23:32:07 dexX7: oh nvm, was wrong

23:32:16 nubbins`: so i couldn't pay for a case of beer with a couple of those $20 coins

23:32:20 nubbins`: well.

23:32:21 nubbins`: i could

23:32:28 nubbins`: but the shopkeep could refuse me

23:32:45 pankkake: why those things have to be so complicated

23:32:52 nubbins`: there's different limits for each coin. they can refuse to accept more than 25 pennies

23:33:01 nubbins`: 100 nickels

23:33:08 nubbins`: 100 dimes

23:33:17 nubbins`: 40 quarters

23:33:30 nubbins`: 25 loonies, 20 toonies

23:33:36 nubbins`: imagine!

23:34:11 nubbins`: no doubt this came about because some asshole tried to buy a car with pennies

23:34:32 dexX7: http://dcm6srpdb0rbc.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Guz8r.png https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/73003_157276070976549_1882617_n.jpg would you say they are the same?

23:34:35 pankkake: well, many people tried to pay taxes in the most annoying ways

23:34:46 nubbins`: heh

23:34:50 pankkake: in France a guy wrote a cheque on toilet paper

23:35:01 nubbins`: i paid my home insurance ($1200) with fives

23:35:15 nubbins`: purely out of spite

23:35:27 nubbins`: they didn't accept credit cards! like, what the fuck?

23:36:16 Namworld: You should have paid in 1s

23:36:29 Namworld: in cents*

23:36:32 Namworld: In cents is better

23:38:22 nubbins`: the receptionist said "this is what they gave you?"

23:38:32 nubbins`: "no, i asked for these"

23:38:46 nubbins`: she looked very confused

23:39:05 nubbins`: then i said "so why don't you guys take credit cards, anyway?"

23:39:12 nubbins`: and then she lost count

23:39:17 nubbins`: and told me i could leave

23:39:17 nubbins`: lel

23:41:36 pankkake: that's mean

23:42:06 nubbins`: no, it's inconvenient

23:42:37 pankkake: probably not the fault of the receptionist

23:42:45 nubbins`: oh, not at all

23:42:56 nubbins`: but if it happens to her enough, maybe they'll change their policies

23:43:10 Namworld: It doesn't work that way.

23:43:19 nubbins`: it's a small insurance company

23:43:45 nubbins`: so there's a legit chance that if she says "listen, this keeps happening because we don't take CCs", someone will listen

23:43:50 Namworld: Ah. Well still, better get the management annoyed directly.

23:43:57 nubbins`: yeah

23:43:59 nubbins`: i did what i could

23:44:17 nubbins`: but i mean, seriously. it's an insurance company -- they generally only deal with large payments

23:44:34 nubbins`: it's incredibly inconvenient to not be able to use credit

23:44:44 nubbins`: she couldn't even tell me where the nearest bank was!!

23:45:22 Diablo-D3: just find a new insurance company

23:45:23 nubbins`: anyway, next year, i'll hopefully remember this fiasco, and switch providers

23:45:27 nubbins`: yeah

23:45:42 nubbins`: it's hard to insure houses in the downtown area here

23:45:53 nubbins`: lots of places won't do it

23:45:57 Diablo-D3: hahahaha

23:45:58 Diablo-D3: oh man

23:46:01 Diablo-D3: gmaxwell is on a roll

23:46:06 assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 5019 @ 0.00038033 = 1.9089 BTC [+] {3}

23:46:07 Diablo-D3: he refuses to answer a simple question

23:46:19 Diablo-D3: are there, or arent there, any good digital signature schemes that are computationally expensive

23:46:52 Diablo-D3: and he wont answer it

23:47:21 Apocalyptic: what's the point of having a computationally expensive signature scheme ?

23:48:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1499 @ 0.00036497 = 0.5471 BTC [+]

23:48:09 assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 4655 @ 0.00041799 = 1.9457 BTC [+] {3}

23:48:14 Apocalyptic: all the usefullness of signature schemes is to be able to check their validity quicky

23:48:21 Diablo-D3: lol hes now banned me from #p2pool

23:48:40 Diablo-D3: Apocalyptic: well, its either that, or lamport signatures

23:48:43 Apocalyptic: he probably thinks you're trolling

23:49:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.000315 = 0.315 BTC [-]

23:49:39 Diablo-D3: yes, and now I think he may actually BE an NSA employee

23:49:51 Apocalyptic: wouldn't surprise me much

23:51:11 assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 1690 @ 0.00042376 = 0.7162 BTC [+] {2}

23:53:06 kakobrekla: ok guise

23:53:13 kakobrekla: *drumroll*

23:53:17 kakobrekla: http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/

23:53:20 ozbot: #bitcoin-assets bash

23:53:33 pankkake: nice

23:54:12 mod6: kakobrekla: sweet

23:54:18 kakobrekla: :)

23:55:15 assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 3120 @ 0.000428 = 1.3354 BTC [+]

23:55:37 Namworld: kakobrekla, I PMed you earlier today

23:57:17 assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 2730 @ 0.0004299 = 1.1736 BTC [+]

23:58:01 kakobrekla: well i dont see the api, nothing interesting is happening, im not being bribed, and how do you even invest in that thing?

23:58:39 mod6: late lastnight we saw something amazing amazing amazing!

23:58:39 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

23:58:39 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

23:58:51 Namworld: I can bribe you with such phrases as "please" or "plz plz plz"

23:58:54 Namworld: Is that enough?

23:59:10 jborkl: !jd

23:59:10 assbot: Just-Dice stat: -706 BTC profit, 46.2k BTC invested, 143.32 mio bets, 2.09 mio BTC wagered

23:59:12 mod6: ah, you must have capped it. sweet

23:59:55 kakobrekla: even if they would take pleases in teh grocery store theres still like 3 unanswered questions